[12:26] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:26] <stgraber> hey
[12:26] <shawarma> Greetings.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[12:31] <geser> Hi TheMuso
[01:06] <marcin_ant> hi guys I would like to ask if is this possible (and if it is then please tell me how) to prepare a package that is a set of patches (and few extensions) to some existing package
[01:08] <marcin_ant> AFAIK there is no way to use the same files with two packages so I ask how to create package that needs to modify files provided by some other pkg
[01:09] <poningru> someone wanna package http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/aircrack-ptw/download/aircrack-ptw-1.0.0.tar.gz
[01:09] <ajmitch> poningru: you do!
[01:09] <poningru> :p
[01:09] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: I'd generally say no - packages aren't meant to touch files from other packages
[01:10] <poningru> ok so at 0900 EDT hookup to the matrix at your end, and I will hook upto the matrix on my end
[01:10] <poningru> at that point goahead and scp your knowledge on packaging to me
[01:10] <Fujitsu> Anybody have an Edgy system around that they are able to test out the edgy-proposed fix for bug #64016 on? I need two acks.
[01:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 64016 in bluefish "Bluefish crashes when saving document" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64016
[01:10] <poningru> here's my brains public key:
[01:10] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: so.. there is no way to avoid this situation?
[01:11] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: I got package with web application written with php
[01:11] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: and then have extension package that has sources available as set of patches plus some new files
[01:12] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: and because it's php it has mixed code I see no way to avoid patching
[01:13] <poningru> ajmitch: no? :(
[01:13] <ajmitch> poningru: no
[01:14] <poningru> but the matrix man the matrix :(
[01:14] <poningru> :P
[01:15] <ajmitch> hah
[01:15] <ajmitch> "productive"
[02:29] <sharms> Does anyone know if the gcc -> 4.2 transition is 100% going to happen in feisty + 1
[02:44] <wick2o> evening
[02:51] <wick2o> anyone know how to run a custom bash script whenever a cd automounts?
[02:58] <selinuxium> hi all, anyone about?
[02:59] <wick2o> yep
[02:59] <selinuxium> Just tried to install nexuiz and got a strange error.   nexuiz: Depends: nexuiz-data (>=2.2.3-1) but 2.2.3-1~edgy1 is to be installed
[03:00] <wick2o> whats so weird about that?
[03:00] <selinuxium> Nexuiz is 2.2.3-1~edgy 
[03:01] <wick2o> dont know, im still missing something i guess
[03:01] <selinuxium> Or am I missing something?
[03:01] <selinuxium> lol
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Looks like a backports bug.
[03:02] <selinuxium> All the Nexuiz packages have the same version code, but they are looking for different packages.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Bug #90052
[03:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 90052 in glom "UVF glom: 1.3.8 -> 1.3.11" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90052
[03:02] <Fujitsu> ... not that one.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> bug #99052
[03:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 99052 in update-manager "'Could not calculate the upgrade' -- edgy to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99052
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Gah, not that one either.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Bug #95002
[03:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 95002 in edgy-backports "Can't upgrade nexuiz from edgy-backports" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95002
[03:03] <Fujitsu> That's the one.
[03:03] <Fujitsu> selinuxium: ^^
[03:03] <selinuxium> Fujitsu: Youv'e got a good memory!
[03:04] <plugwash__> 2.2.3-1~edgy is lower than 2.2.3-1 , this is nowadays the normal way of lowering a version for a backport
[03:05] <selinuxium> I understand, cheers guys!
[03:12] <Joe_CoT> hey, i had some questions on packaging. not how it's done :) but how i'd go about it to deal with non-free copyright issues
[03:20] <Fujitsu> Joe_CoT: Ask upstream to make it free, basically.
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Or remove the bits if they're not critical.
[03:21] <Joe_CoT> it is free, it's just not gpl. the engine is gpl, the data files are more restricted. they're free to redistribute, but not to sell, not to put in another game, etc.
[03:22] <Joe_CoT> so i assume the game data couldn't go into universe, but could it go into multiverse?
[03:23] <wick2o> ummm udev seems kinda cryptic
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Joe_CoT: That's right.
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[03:24] <RAOF> Heya bddebian 
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Have you expired yet?
[03:24] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu, RAOF
[03:24] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Dunno
[03:24] <Joe_CoT> Fujitsu: ok. how would the packages be organized. for example, Warsow or Sauerbraten. Would I make a package for the engine, and then another for the game data? Would I make a third package that had both as dependencies?
[03:24] <Fujitsu> sauerbraten is about to be synced from Debian.
[03:25] <bddebian> I thought it was not re-distributable?
[03:25] <Fujitsu> There is sauerbraten in universe, and sauerbraten-data in multiverse.
[03:25] <Fujitsu> bddebian: It's in Debian contrib and non-free, so it must be.
[03:25] <bddebian> hmm
[03:26] <Joe_CoT> ok. but in general, how would it be done? and where could I get a list of what's to be synced so i don't waste my time? :D
[03:26] <Fujitsu> (see bug #102841)
[03:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 102841 in Ubuntu "please add sauerbraten from debian/contrib to feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102841
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Joe_CoT: Before creating a package, you should always check if it's in Debian.
[03:27] <tarheelcoxn> eeeew. as a vegetarian, I object to the addition of sauerbraten
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Wow, sauerbraten-data is huge.
[03:28] <bddebian> heh
[03:28] <Joe_CoT> http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Suggested it's listed there as suggested and not in yet. I see it now on packages.debian
[03:29] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why not?
[03:29] <Fujitsu> janimo is listed as expiring from ubuntu-dev `1 hours ago', but is still shown as approved.
[03:30] <ajmitch> probably happens on a cron job or something
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Maybe.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Looks more than a little strange, however.
[03:30] <ajmitch> bddebian expires in 22 hours
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[03:31] <ajmitch> though I expire from core-dev in sept
[03:31] <Fujitsu> How does that work?
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Isn't the term 2 years for both?
[03:31] <ajmitch> I was in motu long before LP was used
[03:32] <ajmitch> membership was transferred & some expiry dates set, etc
[03:32] <ajmitch> I'll worry about it at the time, when they go to drop me from core-dev
[05:54] <simonp> !packages
[05:54] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[06:18] <bddebian> tick tock tick tock
[06:19] <RAOF> ?
[06:19] <bddebian> My times running out :-)
[06:19] <RAOF> :)
[06:20] <Fujitsu> RAOF: They are not :(
[06:20] <bddebian> Might have, I just got a couple of ia64 build failures :-)
[06:20] <bddebian> Oh, they aren't?
[06:20] <RAOF> Me too.
[06:20] <Fujitsu> Hm..
[06:20] <Fujitsu> They were broken an hour ago.
[06:27] <superm1> Fujitsu, what happened today that they broke?
[06:27] <Fujitsu> It was a couple of days ago.
[06:27] <Fujitsu> dmraid and something else tried to execute update-initramfs.
[06:27] <Fujitsu> That's not installed in the chroots, so everything failed.
[06:28] <superm1> oh wow
[06:28] <ajmitch> just some postinst changes in some required packages
[06:29] <ajmitch> which had some sideeffects
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Um, not dmraid, that other one... dm-setup or so.
[06:30] <RAOF> It seems that the ia64 chroot is broken in a different way, now
[06:31] <superm1> Fujitsu, if this was a few days ago, why hasn't it been fixed as of yet?  can't just revert to the old postinst in dm-setup?
[06:31] <Fujitsu> No idea.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Soyuz does strange things, and the buildds might not have updated.
[06:32] <ajmitch> superm1: no, it's not as simple as that
[06:32] <superm1> ajmitch, assumed as much :)
[06:32] <ajmitch> manual bootstrapping would need to be done
[06:32] <ajmitch> since to compile a new version of the package, the old (broken) version would get automatically installed
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Of course, yes.
[06:33] <ajmitch> because it's in the required set of packages
[06:33] <Fujitsu> I hand't thought of that.
[06:33] <Fujitsu> *hadn't
[06:33] <superm1> .... didn't finish that comment, glad that those days are long over :)
[06:51] <jdong> superm1: dude weren't those fun days?
[06:51] <jdong> superm1: where you have to run ./bootstrap.sh
[06:52] <superm1> jdong, i dont know if it would say the "fun" days
[06:52] <jdong> and there's a SPECIAL one for 2.6 as opposed to 2.4....
[06:52] <superm1> jdong, i hated how often my system would break
[06:52] <jdong> aye, agreed
[06:52] <jdong> but it was more "interactive"
[06:52] <jdong> and if you had nothing better to do... "fun"
[06:52] <jdong> but I find as soon as one finds something more meaningful to do, one gets less and less tolerant of babysitting OS'es
[06:53] <superm1> exactly
[07:41] <crimsun> erg, so many regressions to fix
[07:44] <Fujitsu> crimsun: In what? ALSA?
[07:45] <crimsun> Fujitsu: aye
[07:45] <crimsun> this HDA business is an absolute mess
[07:46] <Fujitsu> HDA does that, unfortunately.
[07:47] <crimsun> the "inaudible sound upon resume" bit?
[07:47] <RAOF> Yeah, that one.
[07:47] <jmg> hidef audio?
[07:47] <RAOF> hda_intel
[07:48] <crimsun> I haven't had time to dig deeper, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were a combination of braindead manufacturer and Linux acpi
[07:48] <crimsun> does unloading and reloading help?
[07:48] <RAOF> It doesn't bother me too much, because of various *other* suspend problems.
[07:48] <RAOF> I don't think I've tried that.  I can, if you'd like.
[07:48] <crimsun> modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:52] <RAOF> crimsun: "FATAL: Modules snd_hda_intel is in use"
[07:53] <crimsun> killed all the apps listed in $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*) ?
[07:56] <RAOF> crimsun: Yup, unload/reload works.
[07:56] <crimsun> hmm.
[07:57] <crimsun> RAOF: try adding "snd-hda-codec snd-hda-intel" to MODULES in /etc/default/acpi-support
[07:59] <RAOF> Ok, done.  Is there anything I need to do to get that config reloaded, or just suspend?
[08:00] <crimsun> you may need to reboot to test
[08:00] <RAOF> I guess the answer is "yes", because a suspend-resume cycle has failed that test :)
[08:00] <crimsun> reboot->suspend-to-RAM->resume
[08:01] <jmg> push to test, reboot to detonate
[08:02] <RAOF> Hm, it doesn't seem to want to reboot :(
[08:03] <jmg> 240v reset
[08:09] <RAOF> Ok, there's that bug again.
[08:10] <RAOF> Every now and then, the keyboard stops working after resume-from-suspend.  Just suspending and resuming again fixes it though.
[08:22] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:22] <crimsun> RAOF: does the above modification to /etc/default/acpi-support's MODULES work around the issue?
[08:23] <RAOF> No, it doesn't.
[08:24] <RAOF> Sorry it took so long to test, I forgot to disable compiz :(
[08:24] <crimsun> so it needs the entire sound stack unloaded, blarg.
[08:25] <crimsun> oh, and this is on 2.6.20-14.22, correct?
[08:25] <RAOF> Not quite, it's on -13 (the laptop was only updated this morning, and doesn't have a net connection ATM)
[08:29] <RAOF> crimsun: Anything else I can do for you?
[08:29] <crimsun> RAOF: in the immortal words of the topic of #ubuntu-kernel...
[08:30] <crimsun> "2.6.20-14.22 Uploaded - If you aren't using it, then you risk your bugs not getting fixed."
[08:30] <RAOF> :)
[08:30] <RAOF> I'll tell you if it fixes sound-on-suspend tonight :P
[08:31] <crimsun> it likely won't, but we need to start at -14.22
[08:32] <RAOF> Fair 'nuff.
[08:34] <RAOF> Yay, the buildd's are fixed.
[08:38] <crimsun> indeed. Your patches to banshee are in archive.uc
[08:39] <RAOF> One fewer local package needed :)
[10:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:13] <sacater> dholbach: MORNING!
[10:13] <sacater> :D
[10:14] <dholbach> hey sacater
[10:25] <imbrandon> heya dholbach 
[10:25] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[10:25] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, any word on the /+rdf front ?
[10:39] <AstralJava> If someone could please take a look at Bug #103225, ubuntustudio-look finally got 2 ACKs and oughta be ready for uploading. Thanks! :)
[10:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 103225 in ubuntustudio-look "[UVFe request]  ubuntustudio-look in REVU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103225
[10:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Nothing at all.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> (currently at dinner)
[10:42] <imbrandon> kk
[10:53] <Ademan_away> gegl isn't in the repositories is it?
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Ademan_away: I think it is...
[10:59] <Ademan_away> Fujitsu: package name? i don't see it
[10:59] <Fujitsu> Indeed... I thought it was.
[10:59] <Ademan_away> i kinda hoped it was, it's cool stuff
[11:10] <CrippledCanary> I have a dependency / libusb-dev question. 
[11:11] <CrippledCanary> A application I try to package uses libusb-dev for build and that generates a dependency on libusb but libusb isn't installable. What to do?
[11:11] <CrippledCanary> libusb should be a virtual package or something but it isn't.
[11:11] <CrippledCanary> I'm using feisty by the way.
[11:17] <DarkMageZ> CrippledCanary, does the control file specify a specific version of libusb-dev?
[11:26] <DarkMageZ> CrippledCanary, if you're running pbuilder. see if updating the pbuilder environment helps.
[11:29] <CrippledCanary> No..
[11:29] <CrippledCanary> No version, I just updated pbuilder
[11:31] <CrippledCanary> I tried in edgy now and I get the same error.
[11:32] <CrippledCanary> Let's focus on edgy at the moment cause my feisty environment is beeing rebuildt at the moment.
[11:32] <CrippledCanary> In edgy the libusb package is actually called "libusb-0.1-4" 
[11:38] <DarkMageZ> CrippledCanary, hmm, something interesting. in your control file is there a dependency marked on libusb0 ? there is a conflict marked on libusb-dev against libusb0.
[11:42] <\sh> moins
[11:58] <CrippledCanary> DarkMageZ: No, the only BD I have is libusb-dev and the D does only have ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} and some other libs that is not related to this.
[11:59] <CrippledCanary> the libusb dependency is autogenerated.
[12:02] <DarkMageZ> CrippledCanary, hmm. that's really odd. i'll see if i can replicate that here...
[12:02] <CrippledCanary> Shure.
[12:04] <CrippledCanary> I can build the package and if I install libusb-0.1-4 manually and install my new deb with --force-dependency it works so libusb-0.1-4 does what it should. 
[12:04] <CrippledCanary> A virtual libusb package that pointed to libusb-0.1-4 would be a workaround but not nice.
[12:06] <CrippledCanary> Or perhaps there is something wrong with my control file
[12:07] <CrippledCanary> The source package for libusb-0.1-4 and libusb-dev is called libusb.
[12:07] <DarkMageZ> does it fail @ the " -> Considering build-dep libusb-dev
[12:07] <DarkMageZ>    -> Trying libusb-dev" part?
[12:08] <DarkMageZ> if you want, you can pass me a copy of the control file and i'll see if it runs here
[12:09] <DarkMageZ> but it just worked fine here, afew simple deps + libusb-dev
[12:30] <giskard> geser, ping :) 
[12:35] <CrippledCanary> Build runs fine. No trouble with "Trying ...". 
[12:36] <CrippledCanary> It's when I try to install the generated deb that I get a dependency on libusb.
[12:36] <CrippledCanary> debuild / pbuilder perhaps picks this up from configure or something like that.
[12:37] <CrippledCanary> I haven't realy got a good grip of how dependencies is handled when you create packages.
[12:39] <DarkMageZ> CrippledCanary, any chance of getting a copy of the resulting package? or is this a commerical app?
[12:54] <CrippledCanary> Shure you can have it...
[12:55] <CrippledCanary> It's a GPL:ed FUSE based software to access dallas/maxim 1-wire devices.
[12:55] <CrippledCanary> Where to...
[12:55] <ajmitch> CrippledCanary: that's expected behaviour though
[12:55] <CrippledCanary> ajmitch: Ok.
[12:55] <ajmitch> this is why we have shlibs:Depends, so that you get dependencies on the version of the library you build against
[12:56] <ajmitch> install with gdebi if you want to resolve dependencies
[12:56] <CrippledCanary> Yes.. but what if the dependencies generated doesent exist.
[12:56] <ajmitch> or with dpkg, and run apt-get -f install
[12:56] <ajmitch> it ought to be there :)
[12:56] <CrippledCanary> there isn't any package for libusb
[12:56] <CrippledCanary> not in main, restricted, universe or multiverse
[12:56] <CrippledCanary> That's the problem.
[12:57] <ajmitch> libusb-0.1-4 | 2:0.1.12-2 | http://apt-proxy feisty/main Packages
[12:57] <ajmitch> but the binary dependency is against libusb-0.1-4, no?
[12:57] <CrippledCanary> yes.. but the autogenerated dep is for libusb.
[12:57] <CrippledCanary> not libusb-0.1.-4
[12:58] <ajmitch> hm, it certainly shouldn't be doing that, the libusb* shlibs are all ok on feisty
[12:58] <CrippledCanary> Can you check edgy too.
[12:58] <CrippledCanary> or tell me how to look for it.
[12:59] <ajmitch> got the source package somewhere?
[12:59] <CrippledCanary> my feisty install went "up in flames" after I tried some things I shouldn't
[12:59] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:00] <CrippledCanary> the source.. for my package
[01:02] <ajmitch> yep
[01:02] <CrippledCanary> I'll give you a url in a moment.
[01:02] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:04] <CrippledCanary> I tared everything to http://www.bjorkvagen2.se/owfs.tar.gz
[01:05] <CrippledCanary> It's not finished in any way. Still lots of things to do but I wanted to get this sorted out first.
[01:06] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:06] <BugMaN> Hi DarkSun88!
[01:07] <DarkSun88> BugMaN: ;)
[01:07] <CrippledCanary> DarkSun88: Hi.
[01:07] <DarkSun88> CrippledCanary: Hello
[01:12] <ajmitch> CrippledCanary: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, fuse-utils, libfuse2, libusb
[01:12] <ajmitch> there's your problem
[01:13] <CrippledCanary> Ok.. I thought I had removed that, I might have sent you som old sources.
[01:15] <CrippledCanary> I put in libusb in D: because I wanted to see if it helped but without result.
[01:19] <CrippledCanary> My bad...
[01:19] <CrippledCanary> ajmitch: You are right, it works...... 
[01:19] <gnomefreak> was the nvidia-glx +upgrade+geforce4 cards been fixed?
[01:20] <CrippledCanary> ajmitch:  Sometimes it just takes another pair of eyes.... Thanks alot for you valuable time.
[01:21] <ajmitch> np
[01:24] <imbrandon> ...
[01:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ?
[01:26] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[01:26] <imbrandon> nothing, just me being me
[01:26] <ajmitch> hehe ok
[01:26] <imbrandon> i have awstats going over my weblogs for the last 4 months
[01:27] <imbrandon> been running since noon yesterday
[01:27] <imbrandon> still not done
[01:27] <imbrandon> lol
[01:27] <ajmitch> because you're famous
[01:27] <ajmitch> it'd take about .05 sec to run for me
[01:27] <imbrandon> hehe 400k hits a month so far ( on the 2 months its parsed , jan and feb )
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Not bad, imbrandon.
[01:28] <imbrandon> i dont have them passwd protected yet ( untill the script gets done ) 
[01:28] <imbrandon> chek it out
[01:28] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=www.imbrandon.com
[01:29] <imbrandon> and actualy part of december 06 is on there too
[01:29] <imbrandon> thats when i moved everything to the new DC
[01:29] <imbrandon> 437536 for jan 07
[01:29] <ajmitch> not bad
[01:31] <imbrandon> 23k unique visitors
[01:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:31] <imbrandon> seems i have more readers than i knew about
[01:36] <imbrandon> i wonder what humboldt.ubuntu.com does
[01:36] <imbrandon> i have 3k hits from them 
[01:36] <imbrandon> that might be the box that does the planet or something
[01:37] <illovae> hello
[01:37] <ajmitch> yep, same ip address
[01:37] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:37] <ajmitch> hello illovae 
[01:37] <imbrandon> hello illovae 
[01:37] <illovae> :)
[01:39] <imbrandon> MOTU renewal is only for 1 year ?
[01:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no idea
[01:46] <ajmitch> I believe it is though
[01:46] <ajmitch> we agreed on some length of time for it
[01:47] <imbrandon> yea
[01:47] <imbrandon> for Life !?!!!oneone!111!!eleventyone!!11111
[01:48] <ajmitch> only people like crimsun & dholbach deserve life membership
[01:48] <imbrandon> :)
[01:49] <sacater> morning MOTU
[01:50] <ajmitch> hi
[02:01] <EtienneG> morning everybody
[02:01] <EtienneG> ?seen ucap
[02:01] <ajmitch> morning EtienneG 
[02:01] <EtienneG> damn bot
[02:01] <EtienneG> !seen ucap
[02:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ucap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:01] <ajmitch> heh
[02:03] <EtienneG> crimsun, ping
[02:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: come on :)
[02:08] <dholbach> hey EtienneG
[02:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: well you do deserve it :)
[02:14] <_MMA_> EtienneG: Tell crimsun what you want in your ping. Its better that way.
[02:16] <zul> hola
[02:19] <ajmitch> hi zul 
[02:19] <zul> hey ajmitch how goes it
[02:19] <ajmitch> alright, you?
[02:22] <zul> good
[02:25] <EtienneG> dholbach, good morning gentlemen  ... not too weary from lack of sleep yet ?
[02:25] <EtienneG> _MMA_, good point ..
[02:25] <dholbach> EtienneG: i'm ok - thanks - how are you?
[02:26] <EtienneG> dholbach, sick (go a cold) but otherwise fine
[02:26] <dholbach> EtienneG: hope you're going to be ok soon again
[02:26] <EtienneG> dholbach, don't, you gotta catch my germs !!! :)
[02:28] <EtienneG> dholbach, crimsun have done an upload for me in universe yesterday ... I am kind of worried as it have not shown up yet
[02:29] <EtienneG> I'm looking for the *^&$%& bug number ...
[02:29] <zul> its probably stuck being waited for being built
[02:29] <EtienneG> zul, yeah, might well be ... 
[02:30] <EtienneG> how long can it take ? 
[02:30] <EtienneG> are universe upload queued after main for the release, or something like that ?
[02:30] <dholbach> EtienneG: a NEW package?
[02:30] <EtienneG> dholbach, no, it's an update to bzr-gtk
[02:30] <EtienneG> Fix #02548
[02:30] <EtienneG> Fix #102548 , I mean
[02:31] <dholbach> which version no?
[02:31] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=bzr-gtk
[02:31] <dholbach> there seems to be 0.15.1-0ubuntu1
[02:31] <EtienneG> 0.15.2-0ubuntu1
[02:33] <dholbach> EtienneG: maybe mithrandir or another archive admin can rescue it from somewhere?
[02:33] <EtienneG> ok, I will see
[02:34] <EtienneG> dholbach, could it be that it got ... lost ... somewhere ?
[02:34] <dholbach> EtienneG: yes
[02:34] <EtienneG> dholbach, 
[02:34] <EtienneG> ok
[02:34] <EtienneG> does the archive admin have their own channel, or I just gran one on IRC ?
[02:35] <EtienneG> s/gran/grab/
[02:35] <EtienneG> I'm going to ask on #ubuntu-devel ...
[02:52] <xerxas> dholbach,  ? 
[02:53] <xerxas> howcome you can change the importance of bug (in thelepathy) and I can"t ? 
[02:58] <ajmitch> night all
[02:58] <EtienneG> night ajmitch 
[02:58] <dholbach> xerxas: need to be in ubuntu-qa
[03:31] <giskard_> geser, ping
[04:06] <sacater> 
[04:07] <geser> giskard_: pong
[04:56] <saispo> hi
[04:56] <saispo> i have a package contrib, how can i submit it ?
[04:57] <StevenK> At this point, you don't, sorry. We are about two weeks from release.
[04:57] <saispo> ok
[04:57] <saispo> no problem :)
[04:57] <saispo> after
[04:58] <saispo> StevenK: you have the force to upload in Ubuntu ?
[04:58] <jussi01> hi motu's! 
[04:58] <Hobbsee> saispo: he does
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01 
[04:58] <StevenK> I so don't.
[04:58] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee 
[04:58] <StevenK> I uh, lost my key. Yes, that'll do.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:59] <jussi01> !revu
[04:59] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:00] <saispo> StevenK: hh ;-) it's so bad
[05:08] <stgraber> Anyone has a way to get all the packages that were manually installed since the system install (so : not the base system and not any dep or update) ?
[05:39] <\sh> guys, happy easter to you :)
[06:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:00] <crimsun> EtienneG: unlikely pong
[07:00] <EtienneG> crimsun, hey !
[07:00] <EtienneG> thanks for the upload yesterday
[07:00] <EtienneG> it was not showing up in LP
[07:00] <EtienneG> so I had a little investigation to do
[07:01] <EtienneG> it was re-uploaded by our dear dholbach
[07:02] <crimsun> interesting, I didn't get an accept, either
[07:02] <crimsun> yet another instance of soyuz-the-grue eating my upload
[07:03] <bddebian> heh
[07:03] <Q-FUNK> thrown the .dsc into orbit, I guess
[07:03] <crimsun> that was supposed to be fixed with the keyserver fix
[07:04] <crimsun> yep, definitely in ~/.bash_history
[07:06] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: was it you who is an ALSA hacker?
[07:08] <soc> are there plans to include the latest swfdec to enabe popular flash video sites like youtube in feisty?
[07:15] <crimsun> Q-FUNK: of sorts, yes
[07:18] <zul> of sorts? heh...thats a bit of an understatement
[07:23] <crimsun> soc: you'd need to file an UVF exception request for 0.4.3 [implying you need to package it, too; see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6 ] 
[07:24] <bddebian> Didn't I already ask for a sync of swfdec?
[07:24] <crimsun> bddebian: for 0.3.6-2.2?
[07:24] <bddebian> Oh, nm, sorry
[07:24] <crimsun> I think soc's asking for an entirely new version, 0.4.3
[07:45] <geser> crimsun: can you please look at bug #103396
[07:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 103396 in wordpress "[UVF exception]  Merge wordpress 2.1.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103396
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> Bugfix, mostly, some new minor features.
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> Fixing loose ends after the 2.1.2 security fix
[07:47] <crimsun> geser: commented
[07:47] <geser> thanks
[07:47] <crimsun> np
[08:12] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: ah yes.  now I remember:  the sabdfl bounty to fix all remaining issues in ALSA support on Mac. :)
[08:39] <LaserJock> some days you just gotta laugh
[08:40] <LaserJock> I remember in Dapper when people got so mad because network-manager wasn't installed by default
[08:40] <LaserJock> now there's all kinds of "N-M sucks, what were the devs thinking" threads
[08:41] <Burgwork> indeed
[08:42] <DktrKranz> was it decided to disable N-M, then?
[08:45] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: heavens no
[08:45] <DktrKranz> oh, great :)
[08:45] <LaserJock> that would cause even more screaming threads
[08:45] <LaserJock> moving it to Recommends: was a good move though
[08:46] <LaserJock> so you can uninstall it without taking out ubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <LaserJock> I just think it's interesting
[08:46] <DktrKranz> ah, didn't notice
[08:46] <LaserJock> I guess with that many users, no matter what you do, you'll get enough people that don't like it that they can cause quite a stir
[08:46] <zul> its like everyone is has turrets syndrome
[08:46] <DktrKranz> well, it's quite easy to fit everyone's needs
[08:47] <DktrKranz> *hard
[09:17] <nixternal> keescook: are you coming to Flourish? :) Ubuntu Chicago will have a couple of tables (which they just told us about after telling us no), and then we are doing the battle of the distros
[09:19] <keescook> nixternal: I'm not; I live out in Oregon, but I'm hoping my mom will go (she's the one who emailed me about it)
[09:19] <nixternal> keescook: sweet!
[09:24] <superm1> nixternal, whats happening in chicago when?  i'll be back home in chicago in the next month or so...
[09:25] <LaserJock> keescook: you're from Oregon?
[09:26] <LaserJock> keescook: Portland?
[09:26] <keescook> LaserJock: yawp.  I love it here.  :)
[09:26] <LaserJock> keescook: Biggest Little City
[09:27] <keescook> LaserJock: totally.  :)
[09:27] <superm1> nixternal, oh April 6-th 7th... i see now.  man :(
[09:27] <LaserJock> although I'm from Reno and *we* are the true Biggest Little City :p
[09:27] <LaserJock> we even have 2 big signs to prove it ;-)
[09:28] <keescook> hehe
[09:28] <LaserJock> glad to see some other West Coasters
[09:28] <LaserJock> can't trust that California lot
[09:37] <micahcowan> LaserJock, how do Reno'ers feel about Reno 911? :)
[09:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know
[09:38] <nixternal> hahahah
[09:39] <nixternal> Reno 911 rocks
[09:39] <LaserJock> some of it's, "Yeah, that's about right"
[09:39] <LaserJock> mostly it's just a funny thing that doesn't have much of anything to do with the city
[09:39] <LaserJock> but I really haven't seen it
[09:39] <LaserJock> so I don't know personally
[09:39] <micahcowan> Heh, bet the Reno /cops/ hate it...
[09:40] <micahcowan> Hey, is there a separate repo for -dbg versions of things?
[09:40] <LaserJock> I think so
[09:40] <LaserJock> micahcowan: I've only see one or two spots on the local news were they asked the local police about it
[09:41] <LaserJock> mostly they just seemed to think it was funny
[09:41] <LaserJock> I'm sure there are some that don't like it
[09:41] <LaserJock> I don't think we take ourselves too seriously here
[09:41] <micahcowan> Well, that's good :)
[09:42] <LaserJock> personally I think most of the officials are just glad to see "Reno" anywhere :-)
[09:44] <micahcowan> doko, is your name related to "DokoDoko Panic"?
[09:47] <micahcowan> nm, that's Doki Doki.
[09:49] <micahcowan> Ah, found it: pitti has the debug repo.
[09:54] <pizux> hi all
[09:55] <pizux> is there a way to have next the nvidia special legacy in the repo?
[10:01] <LaserJock> pizux: I think the kernel team has decided that it would be too much work to do 3 different sets of nvidia drivers
[10:03] <ajmitch> morning
[10:09] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: see, you even got sabdfl bringing you back into the team
[10:12] <pizux> LaserJock, it's shame
[10:12] <pizux> because a lot of people use nvidia super legacy 
[10:13] <pizux> and it's a problem for newbies
[10:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Where is this?
[10:14] <ajmitch> MC list
[10:15] <bddebian> Hah, like he even knows who the fsck I am :-)
[10:17] <LaserJock> everybody know's BddebianIsAGod ;-)
[10:19] <nixternal> boo
[10:19] <LaserJock> ewww
[10:19] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[10:20] <LaserJock> he only gave you 1 year though
[10:20] <ScottK> bddebian: You've been a big help to me and I say that at a time when I don't even have a package for you to upload.
[10:20] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:22] <ScottK> Does anyone here have a Feisty box (actual box, not a chroot) that has never had any version of clamav installed on it that they'd be willing to install it in for a test?  I'm trying to find out if Bug #39853 still happens or not.
[10:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 39853 in clamav "While installing ClamAV dpkg returns an error" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39853
[10:22] <ScottK> It's tricky because it only happens the very first time you install it.
[10:23] <LaserJock> ScottK: I do
[10:23] <bddebian> ScottK: I probably can when I get home but I don't have my Feisty box here at the office
[10:24] <ScottK> LaserJock: If you would please apt-get install clamav and then let me know if the install succeeds, I'd appreciate it.
[10:26] <LaserJock> "works for me"
[10:27] <ScottK> Cool.  There were some postinst changes in 0.90.1, so I'm going to declare victory and move on.
[10:28] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks a bunch.
[10:28] <geser> ajmitch: can you please look at bug #103396. thx
[10:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 103396 in wordpress "[UVF exception]  Merge wordpress 2.1.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103396
[10:30] <ScottK> That gets clamav down to two bugs that both go away as soon as Breezy is no longer supported.
[10:30] <pizux> is there a way to request nautilus open terminal by default in ubuntu?
[10:35] <ScottK> pizux: This is not a support channel.
[10:35] <ScottK> Try #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1.
[10:35] <pizux> ok
[10:37] <pizux> thx
[11:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's pretty boring
[11:05] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:33] <sacater> Fujitsu: i use bluefish, but on edgy beta, and good?
[11:33] <Fujitsu> You're running Edgy beta!?
[11:34] <sacater> sorry
[11:34] <sacater> no
[11:34] <sacater> feisty
[11:34] <sacater> i got confused :S
[11:34] <sacater> any*
[11:36] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: you around?
[11:37] <sacater> Fujitsu: 
[11:39] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: anyway i packaged iceape(seamonkey) name most likely will stay iceape. but either way it has composer in it and we will be adding this to feisty+1 as it stands. 
[11:40] <sacater> ice
[12:08] <zorglu_> i dunno where to say it, so i will say it here :) with the new launchpad i read about it and discovered launchpad itself and especially bazaar which seems really nice
[12:08] <zorglu_> thanks :)
[12:08] <zorglu_> there, that all i wanted to say :)