[12:20] <giangy> yawn
[12:54] <Riddell> manchicken: get my e-mail?
[12:54] <nixternal> did it have any money attached?
[12:54] <nixternal> ;)
[12:55] <manchicken> The one about it killing the indicator icon?
[12:55] <manchicken> Yeah, I've been trying to shoot that one down for an hour or so  now.
[12:55] <manchicken> I'm sure that as I get more comfortable with C++ it will be easier, but the semantics of the language are just biting me in the ass.
[12:56] <Riddell> adept is more difficult than most because it uses stl stuff rather than nice Qt
[12:56] <manchicken> Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get the overridden pixmap method to call a parent pixmap method, but due to constness it's proving to be more trouble than I thought.
[12:56] <manchicken> Yes.
[12:56] <manchicken> I totally agree.
[12:56] <manchicken> though this problem is 100% a weirdness in how the Qt stuff is done.
[12:56] <Riddell> yes, qt 3 list views are curious things
[12:56] <manchicken> Overriding the virtuals in Qt seems to cause headache sometimes.
[12:56] <Riddell> adept takes it to the limit really
[12:57] <manchicken> Curious is an exceptionally polite term for them :)
[12:58] <manchicken> I wish I could tell the compiler "yes, I know it's a const.  I'd like to treat it like a const as well... but you're bitching about nothing"
[12:58] <manchicken> But I can't... because it's only a program.
[12:58] <manchicken> And no matter how much you'd like to, you can't slap the sense into a program.
[01:04] <giangy> uhm
[01:09] <Riddell> consts are crazy things
[01:10] <Riddell> it means about 10 different things in c++
[01:10] <nixternal> heh, I know named constants, and you mean there are more? ;p
[01:13] <giangy> Riddell: have you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/102345 ?
[01:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:14] <nixternal> heh, I just noticed that, my CPU is 0mhz
[01:16] <Riddell> giangy: lure or sebas might respond faster to that than me
[01:16] <giangy> okey, I'll ping lure or sebas tomorrow
[01:29] <yuriy> what's stl?
[01:29] <nixternal> standard template library
[01:31] <yuriy> i wonder how adept 3 is going and whether it'll be less complicated dev-wise
[01:47] <yuriy> wth i just randomly got logged out. and lost my session :-\
[01:49] <manchicken> Riddell: It took a while, and it's a little hacky, but I got it done.
[01:51] <Riddell> manchicken: ooh!
[01:51] <yuriy> does qt4 listview allow for these things without being hacky?
[01:51] <Riddell> yuriy: qt 4 treewidget seems pretty flexible
[01:51] <manchicken> And now I'm going to try to do it without creating separate objects for each item :)
[01:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: kde4admin  - graphics applications for KDE 4 testing
[01:52] <Tm_T> that seems bit funny
[01:52] <manchicken> Riddell: Disregard that previous patch altogether.
[01:53] <manchicken> Riddell: This one is quite different from it.
[01:53] <manchicken> I hate not having a bzr branch to go off of though.
[01:53] <manchicken> I have to clean up the patches manually due to conflicts.
[01:54] <yuriy> i don't see a kde4admin..
[01:56] <Jucato> neither do I...
[02:00] <Riddell> it'll still be in NEW
[02:00] <Riddell> alleeEdgy32_: "ach@mpe.mpg.de has been removed from kubuntu-devel"
[02:04] <manchicken> mornfall will probably yell at me for this patch.
[02:09] <manchicken> Riddell: Enjoy your patch.  I'm off to drink beer and eat spicy chicken fried in only God knows what.
[02:15] <Riddell> manchicken|away: enjoy the beer
[02:15] <jjesse> mmmm beer
[06:37] <manchicken> So did we roll back the tabbed interface for kde-systemsettings?
[11:24] <Riddell> allee: "ach@mpe.mpg.de has been removed from kubuntu-devel"
[11:51] <allee> Riddell: oh, why?
[11:55] <Riddell> allee: no idea, that's all I got
[11:55] <Riddell> a number were unsubscribed at the same time
[11:55] <allee> Riddell: no, info about it in my mailbox.  I'll resubscribe again.  Thx for the hint
[12:22] <larsivi> finally! KNetworkManager is usable!
[12:24] <Riddell> yay!
[12:25] <larsivi> (it was the WPA support that did it, btw)
[12:26] <mhb> larsivi: has there been an update recently?
[12:27] <larsivi> mhb: with feisty I suppose?
[12:28] <mhb> larsivi: you said that it is usable ... network-manager with wpa support fails to connect for some chipsets
[12:28] <mhb> larsivi: so I wondered if there has been an update in Feisty recently that fixes bugs or something
[12:28] <larsivi> wpa_supplicant has been working fairly well for me, but something with feisty has made it unstable (networkdeamon,avahid or similar) so I decided to test knetworkmanager again
[12:28] <larsivi> wpa_supplicant has been working for me for 2 years (having the ipw2200 chipset)
[12:29] <larsivi> socalled WPA personal setup (which confused me a bit, since it is not what is commonly used elsewhere)
[12:30] <larsivi> also, on Windows I don't think passkey protected networks are differentiated between at all (WEP or WPA)
[12:36] <Tonio_> hi
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to upload adedpt with the patch ?
[12:37] <larsivi> did the kdm login graphics change for feisty? I think I didn't get them because the install thought I had made local changes
[12:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, I'm onto it
[12:52] <Riddell> larsivi: they didn't, check Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[12:54] <larsivi> Riddell: thx, what I have
[01:36] <Hobbsee> anyone seen https://launchpad.net/bugs/103607 ?
[01:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed (dup-of: 102782)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 102782 in adept "Cannot upgrade Kubuntu - 'next' button is disabled" [Low,Fix committed] 
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ah, fix committed
[01:36] <Jucato> s/talking/asking
[01:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <Jucato> imho, it's a "false" notfication though...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've been looking at MOTU-type documentation stuff, btw.  i'd be interested to see what you thought of it, at some point
[01:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: resuming MOTU studies on Monday or Tuesday :)
[01:40] <Jucato> loooong holiday :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:40] <Jucato> not that I don't want to "work"... just that I can't...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> bah.  this wont be done anytime soon
[01:41] <Jucato> just 2 general preliminary comments though: info/link overload (for the wiki) and probably too high an entry level (for the packaging guide). emphasis on the "probably" there
[01:43] <Jucato> I think I came across a MOTU page about cleaning up and organizing the MOTU docs though. MOTU/Documentation/TODO iirc
[01:43] <Hobbsee> yeah.  it's all pretty bad
[01:43] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> </end panic>
[02:00] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:00] <rouzic> Hi
[02:01] <\sh> Czessi: when you are online, please login into your jabber account ;)
[02:04] <rouzic> Hobbsee: Hi
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hi rouzic :)
[02:06] <rouzic> Hobbsee: 2 days ago actualiz the packages avahi - *, and from this moment the take-off me is late almost 2 minutes when the message appears " start the configuration network "
[02:07] <Hobbsee> rouzic: sorry?
[02:08] <rouzic> Kubuntu's take-off is late 2 minutes since I updated the paquetea avahi-
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll patch dolphin to support urls
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: there is an issue in the desktop file so that you get an error message when opening trash:/ or remote:/ with dolphin
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the famous s/%f/ ;)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:18] <Tonio_> simple exec command in the desktop file that doesn't consider urls
[02:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'l propose the patch upstream but I'm pretty sure that's already fixed, du to kde4 inclusion by default
[02:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:18] <Jucato> Tonio_: URLs? as in http:/ O.o
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: no, ioslaves
[02:19] <Jucato> aaaaah :)
[02:19] <Jucato> for a moment there, I thought... :D
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: for example if you set dolphin as the default file manager, it'll complain when you try to open the trash
[02:19] <Tonio_> because the ioslave url isn't parsed
[02:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: ioslave == protocol somehow :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> fun
[02:20] <Jucato> :D
[02:20] <Jucato> that reminds me...
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah that's pretty easy to patch btw, just that nobody seems to use dolphin by default here :)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I want to force myself for it now, as it'll be the kde4 default :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> this is something we should have consider for feisty or feisty+1 in order to make the kde3 -> kde4 less disruptive for the user
[02:21] <Tonio_> at least that's my opinion ;)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: if you do so, do the following :
[02:22] <Jucato> another thing we'll have to consider will be the Kate vs KWrite thing
[02:22] <Tonio_> edit kmenu and change exec for dolphin to : dolphin
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: then go in kcontrol, components, file associations
[02:22] <Tonio_> choose inode and then directory
[02:22] <Tonio_> and add dolphin by default instead of konq
[02:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: if you don't do that the integration will be really bad
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why would we go with kwrite?
[02:22] <Tonio_> bt with those settings, it is pretty nice
[02:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: because Kate has been removed from kdebase
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:23] <Jucato> kwrite will be the default and only text editor for KDE 4
[02:23] <Tonio_> maybe I should patch the desktop file to handle directory by default
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: wouldnt you need both dolphin and konqi?
[02:23] <Jucato> (actually kwrite is the default text editor on kde 3 afaik)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but kate seems to have mroe stuff, and work better
[02:23] <Tonio_> so that the user would only have to choose which is the default in fact, instead of adding dolphin...... let's do that
[02:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I agree with you. but apparently, upstream guys in charge don't :(
[02:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: that was what I was going to ask btw. when I compiled dolphin 0.8.2 from source, there wasn't a Dolphin entry added to File Associations
[02:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm patching this right now
[02:25] <Jucato> Tonio_: ah ok. so it was a known bug
[02:25] <Tonio_> lot of users might test it in the future so we have to get it correctly integrated
[02:25] <Jucato> (btw, there's no entry for kmplayer also)
[02:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: not a bug, but annoying missing feature, yes
[02:25] <Tonio_> :)
[02:26] <Jucato> Tonio_: so I change dolphin %i %m -caption "%c" to plain "dolphin" in the K Menu entry?
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: dolphin
[02:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: dolphin ""
[02:28] <Tonio_> argh....
[02:28] <Jucato> ah
[02:28] <Tonio_> dolphin 'percent U'
[02:28] <Tonio_> %
[02:28] <Tonio_> % U
[02:28] <Jucato> hehe %U
[02:28] <Tonio_> without a space....
[02:28] <Tonio_> what's that bug ?
[02:28] <Jucato> having troubles with Konvi? :P
[02:28] <Jucato> no it's not a bug. %Uword%U = word
[02:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe, look like yes
[02:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: you have to put % twice to "escape" the %
[02:31] <Tonio_> %U
[02:31] <Tonio_> right
[02:32] <Tonio_> so dolphin %U
[02:32] <Tonio_> or wait for my update to go in the repos :)
[02:32] <Jucato> ok :)
[02:32] <Jucato> hm... does your update also update Dolphin to 0.8.2? :D
[02:33] <Jucato> I have a few "topics" in mind too btw
[02:33] <Jucato> er sorry wrong window lol
[02:33] <Jucato> (wrong tab sheesh!)
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: no
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: requires uvf exception, I'll look at that later
[02:37] <Tonio_> maybe this we
[02:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: depends if the new version changes many things
[02:38] <Jucato> hm... it's the last release for KDE 3.5.x, so I thought it would be in Feisty. just realized now that it wasn't :)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, it dissapeared from kde-apps
[02:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: have a url ?
[02:39] <Jucato> http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/download.html
[02:39] <Jucato> I guess nothing changed much anyway
[02:39] <Tonio_> Changes:
[02:39] <Tonio_> Updated German translation (thanks to Jannick Kuhr)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Updated Polish translation (thanks to Piotr Malinski)
[02:39] <Jucato> just translations
[02:39] <Tonio_> yup, no need to go with uvf for this
[02:40] <Tonio_> Jucato: better patching the current for good integration
[02:40] <Tonio_> :)
[02:40] <Jucato> :)
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: can that be a topic for the UDS ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: provide dolphin as the default file manager for smooth transition to kde4 for the user ?
[02:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: what?
[02:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to consider and discuss this
[02:42] <Riddell> could do
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: as long as there is a very easy way to switch back to konqueror as the default for those who would like too :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :) I'll prepare a little speech for the uds then
[02:43] <Jucato> how about a patch to default applications kcm? adding a File Manager entry? wouldn't that be a better way than going through File Associations?
[02:44] <rouzic> Tonio_, Riddell, Jucato: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103413
[02:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 103413 in linux-source-2.6.20 "(Feisty) During boot, configuring network interface is very slow" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:44] <Tonio_> yep, confirmed here
[02:44] <Tonio_> booting takes about 5 minutes for I'd say 3 or 4 days
[02:46] <rouzic> Tonio_: when there can be a solution for this bug?
[02:46] <Tonio_> rouzic: better ask #ubuntu-devel on that point
[02:46] <rouzic> Thanks Tonio_
[02:46] <Tonio_> or #ubuntu-kernel
[02:48] <Erunno> Happy Eastern all :) Does anyone here know if the kxdocker packages have been fixed in Feisty ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Erunno: what's broken with them?
[02:51] <Erunno> Hobbsee: There seems to be a configuration file missing and without it kxdocker refuses to start. I'll install the package and tell you which one.
[02:53] <Erunno> Hobbsee: It's kxdocker_conf.xml
[02:57] <Hobbsee> why oh why must flash instantly die when i try to show it to someone?
[02:58] <larsivi> can the Java plugin that Firefox use be easily integrated in Konqueror?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> larsivi: not at this point
[02:59] <Jucato> sun-java6-plugin?
[03:00] <larsivi> Jucato: hmm, maybe I've not tried well enough
[03:00] <Hobbsee> (feature freeze)
[03:00] <Jucato> it's in the repos
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Erunno: does it work if you ".kde/share/apps/kxdocker/kxdocker_conf.xml" ?
[03:04] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Not sure what you mean, but the directory is empty.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> argh
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Erunno: does it work if you "touch .kde/share/apps/kxdocker/kxdocker_conf.xml" ?
[03:05] <Erunno> Hobbsee: No, still the same error message.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> thought it might.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> oh, ick.  i remember this
[03:07] <Erunno> Hobbsee: It works (kind of= when you get the xml file from the source package, but there seems to be some problems with the redrawing of the background image.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> the one of length 0?
[03:11] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Err, no ;-) Might be that I got a semi-working xml file from the debian package. It's been a while since I last tried to get the thing working.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:11] <Hobbsee> well, if you do, please come in here and tell us :)
[03:13] <Erunno> Hobbsee: O.o
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Erunno: ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hrm.  i guess we'd have to make a default kubuntu config file or something for it
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Erunno: argh.  this config file is messy, and is going to be distro-specific
[03:24] <Erunno> Hobbsee: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Kxdocker got discontinued by the way.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i thought it did, yeah.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> may well be why debian hasnt updated it
[03:25] <nixternal> morning
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[03:25] <nixternal> do we have anything that needs 64bit testing at all, I can finally help out :)
[03:26] <nixternal> my new system worked oob with Kubuntu Beta
[03:26] <Hobbsee> nice!
[03:28] <nixternal> I need to get pbuilder rolling on it as well
[03:29] <Tonio_> honnestly, Dolphin rocks once correctly configured....
[03:31] <nixternal> I will agree to that, it is nice, but I just can't seem to get away from "alt + space -> konqu -> enter"
[03:33] <manchicken> Oh happy day.
[03:33] <nixternal> oh happy days
[03:33] <manchicken> Oh happy daaay.
[03:33] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:33] <nixternal> I knew it was coming
[03:33] <manchicken> That's what I'm singin' brother.
[03:33] <manchicken> Sing with me!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:34] <nixternal> my church does not do that song justice, the south side baptist churches rock that song out
[03:34] <manchicken> When Jesus walks, and rescues me from this jerk at DoubleClick and brings me to a new job that will suck just a big less.
[03:34] <nixternal> lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:34] <nixternal> AMEN!
[03:34] <manchicken> Dude, Dacia and I went to a SERIOUS Holy Rollers church here in Champaign.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> work was too late last night for me to make it
[03:34] <manchicken> It was called the "Glory Center"
[03:35] <manchicken> Like, the drummer and the bass player kept playing all the way through the sermon.
[03:35] <nixternal> manchicken: omg, my x-girlfriend, her granny lives down there, and is a whicked christian, to the point she almost called me the devil. I went to a couple of those churches down there
[03:35] <manchicken> My ears were ringing the rest of the day.
[03:35] <manchicken> I've never been called evil.
[03:36] <nixternal> I have to make it on Saturday night Hobbsee, or my family will throw me away
[03:36] <manchicken> Though my mother-in-law was scared that I was an alcoholic because I keep beer in my house.
[03:36] <nixternal> haha
[03:36] <Riddell> fabo: how does /etc/rcS.d/S60displayconfig-hwprobe.py get created?
[03:38] <manchicken> Riddell: Did that fix do better this time?
[03:39] <Riddell> manchicken: yes thanks, works great, uploaded
[03:39] <manchicken> Sweet.
[03:56] <Tonio_> @zAqw>a>AQ><<<<
[03:56] <Tonio_> sorry...
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: note that <> is the most dirty key :)
[03:58] <Tonio_> to much php ;)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> so it seems :P
[03:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no lock screen key on a mac :)
[04:00] <manchicken> Mornin' Tonio.
[04:00] <manchicken> I can't stand running only windows on this machine.
[04:00] <manchicken> It makes my heard ache.
[04:00] <manchicken> This looks like a job for vmware.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh
[04:01] <Tonio_> manchicken: eventually, yes :)
[04:04] <Tonio_> hum there is something I'd like to get fixed for feisty....
[04:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you confirm this ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: launch systemsettings, kdeprint
[04:04] <Tonio_> then select "server", "configure"
[04:04] <Tonio_> you'll get a nasty prompt about unknown options
[04:04] <Tonio_> we should patch to remove the message I guess...
[04:04] <nixternal> Tonio_: I can confirm it
[04:05] <Tonio_> the point is I don't understand why he doesn't recognize those options
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[04:05] <manchicken> Tonio_: You weird Europeans and your "time zones"
[04:05] <nixternal> haha yes
[04:05] <Tonio_> they are very old in cups
[04:05] <fabo> Riddell: kde-guidance.init (dh_installinit)
[04:05] <nixternal> require = user @OWNER @SYSTEM
[04:05] <nixternal> order = deny,allow
[04:05] <Tonio_> same for me
[04:05] <nixternal> and then some
[04:05] <Tonio_> that should be "unrecognized"
[04:05] <nixternal> ya, I noticed it the other day actually
[04:05] <Tonio_> they are in cups forever
[04:06] <Tonio_> so what to do ?
[04:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[04:06] <nixternal> found the cout and - it
[04:06] <nixternal> heh
[04:06] <Tonio_> patch to remove the prompt sounds a bit hackish, but well......
[04:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'll try to get that patched this WE if I have time for this
[04:07] <Tonio_> but there is a bug behind that... better to fix it
[04:07] <Tonio_> I don't want to spend 3 days searching on kde bts, as there are about 50000 kdeprint related bugs :)
[04:07] <Tonio_> I already tried to sync with svn, doesn't help
[04:07] <nixternal> ouch
[04:08] <Tonio_> nixternal: yeah kdeprint is a nightmare for this......
[04:08] <Tonio_> impossible to filter for a specific issue on that bloated kde bts
[04:08] <nixternal> I am looking at it now
[04:09] <nixternal> 28.8mb sounds bloated to me
[04:09] <Tonio_> nixternal: wish tou good luck :)
[04:09] <nixternal> 29.6mb
[04:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:09] <nixternal> CUPS isn't even that big
[04:10] <nixternal> derr
[04:11] <nixternal> kdeprint == kdebase which means nixternal == dumbie!
[04:11] <nixternal> dumbie?
[04:11] <nixternal> dummy
[04:12] <manchicken> Pssht.  Can't even spell "dummy" what a dummy.
[04:12] <nixternal> haha
[04:14] <Riddell> fabo: I'm quite confused by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/87381
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 87381 in kde-guidance "[apport]  displayconfig-hwprobe.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[04:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: kdeprint is divided in kdelibs and kdebase
[04:14] <Riddell> fabo: I don't see how they can have displayconfig-hwprobe.py but not  ScanPCI.py, they're part of the same package in the same directory
[04:15] <nixternal> what package is system-settings apart of?
[04:17] <nixternal> foudn it
[04:28] <Riddell> nixternal: kde-systemsettings
[04:35] <Riddell> fabo: looks like it's from the old dapper install, that's the only place it can be
[04:38] <manchicken_> Riddell: Did we roll the tabs out of kde-systemsettings?
[04:39] <manchicken> (on purpose)
[04:40] <Jucato> roll out how?
[04:40] <manchicken> As in I don't see that tabbed interface I did in kde-systemsettings anymore.
[04:41] <Jucato> hm... unless you update from a different source, I still see them here...
[04:42] <Riddell> manchicken: nope
[04:42] <nixternal> manchicken: I still have the tabbed interface
[04:43] <manchicken> Hmm....
[04:43] <manchicken> AAH!!!
[04:43] <manchicken> I know why I wasn't seeing them.
[04:43] <manchicken> I was ssh -YC'ing to my edgy box.
[04:43] <manchicken> I suppose that would explain it :)
[04:44] <Jucato> :D
[04:44] <nixternal> haha
[04:47] <manchicken> I hear that nexenta is running with dpkg and apt-get...
[04:47] <manchicken> That could make life easier.
[04:49] <Riddell> fabo: is there any way to tell dh_installinit what init number to install at?  I seem to remember it has to be 60 and not 20 because it uses /var
[04:52] <Jucato> manchicken or Riddell: the column sorting in Adept is still not fixed with the latest updates. dunno if it's a bug or a feature or a side-effect
[04:52] <Riddell> Jucato: mm, I noticed that too
[04:52] <Riddell> with much the same conclusion :)
[04:52] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:53] <manchicken> Does it sort incorrectly or not at all?  I can't remember
[04:53] <Jucato> not at all
[04:53] <manchicken> Let me look at it today.
[04:53] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there an up to date branch?
[04:54] <manchicken> Ewww, nexenta is running gnome
[04:54] <Jucato> :D
[05:00] <Riddell> manchicken: not at all
[05:01] <Riddell> manchicken: my repository is up to date
[05:06] <Riddell> fabo: another infrastructure one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/72233, the prerm script from powermanager removes all the python-support links for kde-guidance too
[05:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed] 
[05:18] <manchicken> Hmm...
[05:18] <manchicken> Time to look into the nexenta chan.
[05:19] <asyd> interest by create a new version with kde ?
[05:19] <asyd> (I'm a member of OpenSolaris community)
[06:43] <giangy> 'evening
[08:33] <ryanakca> Is anybody working on http://www.kubuntu.org ?
[08:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: there's a testbed drupal setup that mhb has access to, I scheduled a session at UDS to discuss ideas for it
[08:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: yeah, I have the link to it...
[08:36] <ryanakca> kk
[08:36] <ryanakca> When/where's the next one?
[08:37] <ryanakca> ah, spain
[08:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: link to which?
[08:42] <mhb> nothing
[08:45] <ryanakca> mhb: I'm not that... 'dense'.
[08:47] <mhb> Riddell: kwwii has not yet decided how the page should look, so I havent made much progress on it
[08:47] <nixternal> I think it should look like.... are you ready?
[08:47] <nixternal> I have no clue either, but I got you lookin' didn't I :P
[08:47] <ryanakca> lol
[08:48] <nixternal> I am currently developing a university wiki for our school. and boy does this stink
[08:48] <mhb> nixternal: Ken surely has a clue, he is just way too busy to find the time for that
[08:48] <mhb> understandable
[08:48] <nixternal> web development is fun...sometimes
[08:48] <nixternal> Wikimedia is "a lot"
[08:49] <nixternal> custozing the monobook theme isn't fun either, drupal, plone, joomla, zope, they are easy
[08:49] <vprints> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/102544
[08:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:49] <nixternal> modifying a wordpress theme is like using a coloring book
[08:49] <vprints> could you comment on that
[08:50] <nixternal> comment like "if you want embedded you use Konqui" :)
[08:51] <nixternal> ahh
[08:51] <vprints> if you nixternal make conqueror eat estonian ID cards and digital signatures, honestly i will
[08:51] <vprints> konqueror
[08:51] <nixternal> that is a good idea actually out of the box, I change ff first thing though to point to kpdf
[08:52] <vprints> * mabe vprints's english is so bad he understood nixternal wrong :)
[08:53] <ryanakca> where would that be fixed? k-d-s?
[08:54] <vprints> question to me ?
[08:54] <ryanakca> anybody
[08:56] <vprints> i actually don't know where the mailcap entries are :D
[08:58] <vprints> could somebody support that?
[09:01] <Riddell> it's kghostview.mime and kpdf.mime in kdepim source
[09:01] <Riddell> they're broth priority 5 but I guess kghost view is alphabetically first so it is the choice
[09:02] <ryanakca> ah
[09:03] <Riddell> vprints: edit the priority in /usr/lib/mime/packages/kpdf to 6, run sudo update-mime and see if that helps
[09:09] <ryanakca> hey allee
[09:09] <allee> hi ryanakca
[09:13] <vprints> Riddell, yes it helps
[09:22] <manchicken> Ooh, I didn't know that gnewsense-kde used adept, too.
[09:22] <Riddell> it has to use something
[09:23] <Riddell> question is how to do stuff like the supported column and dist upgrader for deriviatives like that
[09:23] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:23] <manchicken> We should probably try to compile adept without KUBUNTU defined and see if it actually compiles.  heh
[09:23] <manchicken> I haven't even tried that.
[09:24] <Riddell> I suspect it doesn't
[09:24] <manchicken> I'll try
[09:28] <manchicken> heh, the about ubuntu package exists for gnewsense
[09:28] <manchicken> I wonder which distro it sprung from....
[09:30] <mhb> manchicken: and Ubuntu uses debian-installer, for example. That's the way it goes...
[09:31] <Riddell> mhb: fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/103394 in rosetta, although I'm still not sure what the actual cause is.  let me know if it works on sunday
[09:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 103394 in kdelibs "broken translations in Kubuntu Feisty (daily langpack)" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[09:32] <mhb> Riddell: I've heard, will try
[09:37] <Riddell> thanks
[09:38] <manchicken> mhb: Yeah.  Good fun though. :)
[09:40] <giangy> Riddell: can't your hint above "resolve" this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/102544
[09:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[09:40] <giangy> I'll try :-)
[09:41] <Riddell> giangy: it does
[09:41] <Riddell> that's what we were talking about
[09:42] <giangy> okey, I'll paste it to this bug and close it
[09:42] <giangy> is it okay?
[09:42] <giangy> ah damn
[09:42] <giangy> it's the same author.
[09:43] <giangy> :))
[09:43] <giangy> vprints, Riddell: sorry heh.
[09:47] <mhb> hmm, one big stupid mhb-like question: is having "automatic updates" as in "user doesn't have to do anything except maybe issuing a password" against the K/ubuntu way?
[09:52] <vprints> Ridell, who is the maintainer of the mime system?
[10:04] <Riddell> mhb: where do you see that?
[10:04] <Riddell> mhb: but no it wouldn't be
[10:04] <Riddell> vprints: nobody, it's per package
[10:05] <vprints> k
[10:05] <mhb> Riddell: neither in ubuntu nor in kubuntu is a system which would allow for 100% automatic updates, so I thought it is not desired maybe
[10:06] <vprints> Riddell, can you support it ?
[10:47] <mhb> when I open systemsettings the Monitor & Display icon is blurred ... does somebody experience that too?
[10:51] <vprints> Yes, i was thinking about reporting that
[10:52] <vprints> but i thought then i'll get too annoying :)
[10:52] <nrg88> hi guys, i made a patch which fixes bug #57102 on launchpad, and attached the diff file to the bugreport ( for kubuntu-default-settings ), can anyone apply it and check it out?
[10:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu Package Manager problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57102
[10:52] <vprints> it seems as it is just lower resolution than the others
[10:56] <fdoving> nrg88: diff looks good :)
[10:58] <fdoving> nrg88: tonio_ is the k-d-s man. poke him or mail him.
[10:58] <nrg88> yep, though i was working quite a bit on it, because i don't really know Shell scripts, only Pascal, PHP and HTML code ;)
[10:59] <fdoving> it's all about the "" around variables when it comes to spaces and weird chars.
[11:00] <nrg88> exactly :)
[11:00] <fdoving> great work.
[11:00] <nrg88> thanks... but how do i find out Tonio_'s email address? :D
[11:01] <giangy> nrg88: https://launchpad.net/~tonio
[11:01] <giangy> tonio@ubuntu.com
[11:01] <nrg88> thanks :)
[11:12] <nrg88> next time if i have a patch, should i contact the package maintainer or the package uploader?
[11:15] <mhb> um
[11:15] <mhb> why does system settings have a menu bar?
[11:16] <mhb> it's really kind of useless and the usability review mockups don't have it, either
[11:21] <Riddell> mhb: you can set updates to install automatically in software-properties-kde
[11:23] <mhb> Riddell: nice
[11:24] <mhb> Riddell: thanks .o)
[11:26] <nrg88> shouldn't there be a Report a problem menu entry in the KDE Menu?
[11:26] <nrg88> in System?
[11:26] <nrg88> with an exclamation mark on yellow background?
[11:28] <fdoving> i don't have that.
[11:28] <fdoving> probably rebortbug or something.
[11:28] <nrg88> i've installed two copies of feisty in vmware
[11:29] <nrg88> and i upgraded one
[11:29] <nrg88> and it dissapeared from the menu
[11:29] <nrg88> did the kubuntu developers want this Report a problem or Report a bug menu entry be present in only the beta version?
[11:29] <nrg88> or is this a bug?
[11:30] <fdoving> find it in the menu, right-click and 'edit' or what it's named.. then find out what the binary is named.
[11:31] <fdoving> then use dpkg -S /usr/bin/yourresult
[11:31] <fdoving> that will tell you what package it belongs to.
[11:34] <nrg88> looks like i found it in the changelog
[11:34] <nrg88>   * debian/apport-{gtk,qt}.install: Do not install .desktop files for now, until we get a proper guided bug reporting.
[11:36] <manchicken> I found a nasty bug.
[11:37] <manchicken> In kontact, when you click links on the summary page sometimes it segfaults.
[11:41] <nrg88> links?
[11:41] <manchicken> Yeah.
[11:41] <nrg88> you mean links created when you have mail or to-dos?
[11:42] <manchicken> Yup
[11:42] <nrg88> i'll check it out...
[11:42] <nrg88> did click on a specific category of links (for example mail), or it segfaults no matter what link you click on?
[11:43] <manchicken> email
[11:44] <manchicken> I think it's done it for akregator stuff, too.
[11:48] <nrg88> i think i'll do some tests
[11:48] <nrg88> if it can be reproduced, a bug report should be filled in LP
[11:50] <fdoving> file it with upstream instead.. or first anyway.
[11:51] <fdoving> most bugs that are not packaging related should be filed upstream.
[11:51] <fdoving> an LP-bug with links to the upstream BTS doesn't hurt though.