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| ubotu | New bug: #103521 in rosetta "Anonymous search field shown while translating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103521 | 12:55 |
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| Kmos | gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/103515 | 12:56 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 103515 in firefox "crashed with sigsegv" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:56 |
| Kmos | :) | 12:56 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103525 in rosetta "Font sizes (style classes) seem mixed up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103525 | 01:11 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103527 in launchpad "Translation page for one text at a time shows "no title" instead of the correct title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103527 | 01:15 |
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| jeffwheeler | Is it okay to register a test project with Launchpad, to use with a personal project for bug tracking and such, and it is not terribly likely it will grow much very soon. | 06:43 |
| jeffwheeler | I mean, is it okay to use it for personally tracking software? | 06:46 |
| radix | jeffwheeler: yes, it is definitely useful for that | 06:50 |
| radix | I've got two or three projects hosted there already | 06:50 |
| jeffwheeler | radix: thanks; I didn't want to be the only one rudely using it personally ;) | 06:50 |
| jeffwheeler | I got the impression it was only for larger projects... | 06:51 |
| radix | jeffwheeler: no, definitely not, use it for all of your projects | 06:51 |
| RAOF | Eh, jml & I used it for joybot. | 06:51 |
| radix | jeffwheeler: and tell everyone to use it :-) | 06:51 |
| RAOF | That's hardly "larger software" :) | 06:51 |
| radix | RAOF: hi! | 06:51 |
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| RAOF | radix: Hey :) | 06:51 |
| jml | RAOF: actually, that reminds me, we should probably mark that as abandoned. | 06:52 |
| RAOF | Maybe. | 06:52 |
| RAOF | I don't quite want to call it abandoned, though. | 06:52 |
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| Hidan | hmmmmmm | 09:06 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103611 | 09:45 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103637 in rosetta "Wish: Zoom in on the translation part of the page when translating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103637 | 10:56 |
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| mdke | where is the rosetta import queue? can't find a link to it | 12:07 |
| mdke | ah, there it is | 12:10 |
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| mdke | danilos: my upload of basic-commands.pot to ubuntu-docs about an hour ago does't seem to have been imported, although I can't find it in the import queue (too many results!!). How long do these things generally take? | 01:14 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103751 in launchpad ""Bugs related to" my user account miss some bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103751 | 04:31 |
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| bada | hi! I've just registered my project that originally hosted by SF.net. Can set bazaar branch as the primary source RCS? | 04:52 |
| statik | bada: I think you can do that | 04:57 |
| statik | bada: which project? | 04:57 |
| bada | libiqxmlrpc | 04:57 |
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| bada | statik: actually I have not yet exported CVS into bazaar | 04:57 |
| statik | bada: you can request an import, which will pull all your CVS history into a bazaar branch on launchpad | 04:58 |
| statik | bada: or if you prefer to create the bazaar branch yourself, you can do that and simply push it up to launchpad | 04:59 |
| bada | statik: yes, it would be great. will the whole revision history would saved? | 04:59 |
| bada | statik: I wanted to ask if I able do that :) | 04:59 |
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| statik | bada: I believe so, yes. I think sometimes there is trouble with branches, but you should find the import very useful overall. | 05:00 |
| bada | statik: I though I have to export CVS to bazaar with tailor and then somehow upload it to launchpad. Is't it? | 05:00 |
| statik | bada: you can use tailor to do the conversion yourself, or you can just specify the CVS repo information and we will try to import it for you (likely next week) | 05:01 |
| statik | https://launchpad.net/libiqxmlrpc/trunk/+source | 05:02 |
| bada | statik: Is not imported branch would be just a mirror of CVS? | 05:03 |
| bada | statik: I mean imported this way | 05:03 |
| statik | bada: a CVS import into launchpad contains all the revision history. It is a mirror in the sense that the system will periodically pull in any new revisions from CVS | 05:04 |
| statik | bada: you will also be able to look back at old revisions using bzr | 05:05 |
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| ddaa | thanks statik for that detailed explanation | 05:06 |
| bada | statik: I see. I wanted switch to bazaar as an only VCS. So I think importing by hands is more appropriate | 05:06 |
| ddaa | bada: depends | 05:06 |
| ddaa | do you branches in CVS? | 05:06 |
| ddaa | do you *use* branches? | 05:06 |
| bada | ddaa: I am only developer. Almost no. I use tags. | 05:07 |
| ddaa | So launchpad imports will no lose no data, except for the tags. | 05:07 |
| ddaa | Tags have only been added to bzr very recently. | 05:07 |
| statik | bada: you are in the hands of the true expert now, ddaa is the one who can tell you exactly how it works | 05:08 |
| bada | statik: anyway, thank you :) | 05:08 |
| ddaa | Besides, the Launchpad import tool is significantly more robust than tailor for CVS repos with weird stuff in them. | 05:08 |
| bada | ddaa: weird stuff? | 05:08 |
| ddaa | CVS is known as "conceivably versions something" | 05:09 |
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| ddaa | there are many cases when repos that cvs itself can deal with will confuse conversion tools | 05:09 |
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| ddaa | mainly, because of the mismatch between cvs's file-based approach, while bzr (and other modern systems) consider atomic whole tree changes. | 05:10 |
| ddaa | bada: anyway, if you prefer to use tailor you're welcome. | 05:10 |
| ddaa | Launchpad imports are good enough for a lot of import who want to transition to bzr, but it's not their main intended purpose. | 05:11 |
| bada | ddaa: btw, I have recently read many comparsions between bzr and other distributed vcss. they say bzr dramatically loose in performance. will this situation change in near future? | 05:11 |
| ddaa | It's changing right now. | 05:11 |
| bada | ddaa: Is my understanding right, that main intend is create trunk mirros? | 05:12 |
| ddaa | recent improvements http://bazaar-vcs.org/Performance/0.15 | 05:12 |
| ddaa | the next release will focus on improving performance over the network | 05:12 |
| bada | ddaa: looks impressive, thank you | 05:13 |
| ddaa | bada: right, the main intent of launchpad imports is to allow people to use bzr when the upstream project uses cvs or svn. | 05:14 |
| ddaa | it's more convenient to work on patches than using a checkout and "cvs/svn update". | 05:14 |
| ddaa | It also allows people to play with bzr on their own code with little effort, so they can evaluate bzr. | 05:14 |
| ddaa | But it's also used by some people as a tool to make a one-off transition conversion. | 05:15 |
| bada | ddaa: so launchpad's main point is to support accident contributors rather than upstream ones? | 05:15 |
| ddaa | What's the distinction? | 05:15 |
| ddaa | A lots of upstream contributors do not have commit access to a project most of the time. | 05:16 |
| bada | ddaa: Ah, I see | 05:16 |
| statik | we want to support both, and make it easy for them to work together | 05:16 |
| ddaa | And even those who have, may prefer to use bzr to work on a big checkin. | 05:16 |
| ddaa | there are many other solutions in this problem space | 05:17 |
| ddaa | launchpad import is just a very low effort (for you) solution when it works and if you can wait a few days. | 05:17 |
| ddaa | for cvs, there's also tailor and bzr-cvsps | 05:18 |
| bada | ddaa: I mainly wanted switch from CVS to any distributed vcs in order to be more independent from network | 05:18 |
| bada | ddaa: so, if I will fail do the transition myself, I may ask launchpad's support | 05:19 |
| ddaa | You're welcome. | 05:19 |
| bada | ddaa: just to make things clearer: what additional benefits I may get from switching SF.net to launchpad? | 05:20 |
| ddaa | hu... | 05:20 |
| ddaa | launchpad does not suck quite as much as SF.net... | 05:20 |
| ddaa | but statik may know how to answer this better than I. | 05:21 |
| ddaa | statik: ping! | 05:21 |
| statik | bada: launchpad does not currently have mailing lists, and SF.net does | 05:21 |
| bada | "does not suck quite"... direct translation to russian makes no sense :) | 05:21 |
| bada | statik: I see | 05:22 |
| statik | bada: but I think you will find the other things, like bug tracking and code hosting, work very very well | 05:22 |
| statik | bada: we are currently working on adding mailing lists | 05:22 |
| bada | statik: and I will need leave files hosting at SF? | 05:22 |
| ddaa | yeah, let's say that what launchpad does, it does pretty well (bug tracking, bzr hosting, answer tracker, translations) | 05:22 |
| statik | bada: I'm working on adding files hosting to launchpad right now | 05:22 |
| statik | bada: things like the answer tracker and translations are features Launchpad has which other systems do not | 05:23 |
| ddaa | but it has a few annoying holes: lack of real ML support, file hosting, no wiki or web hosting. | 05:23 |
| bada | ok, I think I start with bzr branch hosting. And then we will see :) | 05:24 |
| bada | thank you for good explanation! | 05:24 |
| statik | bada: excellent! I think you will be happy with it, and you can always ask for help here or on lp-users mailing list. | 05:25 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #103777 in launchpad "Grey sidebars only shut after page is loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103777 | 05:40 |
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| bada | whether recent bzr versions compatible with more old ones. I.e. need I upgrade my bzr-0.11 on my Ubuntu laptop in order to be able to work with launchpad-hosted branches? | 06:27 |
| radix | bada: I'm pretty sure you don't need to upgrade | 06:28 |
| bada | radix: I see, thanks | 06:29 |
| radix | bada: that is, it shouldn't be up to launchpad, but rather it should be up to the specific branch that's hosted on launchpad. if it's in dirstate-tags format, for example, you'll need to get a newer bzr | 06:29 |
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| phanatic | when will launchpad support bzr 0.15 branches? | 07:50 |
| ryanakca | any lp admins/bzr gurus around? I think I've messed up my branch on the lp server... | 07:50 |
| ryanakca | with the command 'bzr push sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/kcypher/trunk', I get the following error: | 07:51 |
| ryanakca | bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eryanakca/kcypher/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock) - check storage consistency! | 07:52 |
| ryanakca | ryan@sigma:~/work/kcypher$ bzr break-lock sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/kcypher/trunk | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | Bzrtools is not up to date with installed bzr version 0.15.0candidate3. | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | There should be a newer version available, e.g. 0.15. | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | Break lock sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eryanakca/kcypher/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | held by ryanakca@kubuntu(.)org on host cogito [process #5415] | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | locked 51 hours, 38 minutes ago? [y/n] : y | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | bzr: ERROR: rmdir failed | 07:56 |
| ryanakca | (I s/kubuntu.org/kubuntu(.)org )... any ideas? | 07:56 |
| ddaa | phanatic: soon | 08:02 |
| phanatic | ddaa: great :) | 08:02 |
| ddaa | it was delayed a bit because some non-trivial work needed to be done on the import system | 08:03 |
| ddaa | but jml should land code next week, and then it will probably be deployed the week after. | 08:03 |
| ddaa | so, a plausible ETA is Apr. 16th | 08:04 |
| ddaa | earlier if Steve consider it deserves an urgent production ugrade | 08:04 |
| ddaa | ryanakca: this session is hard to read here | 08:07 |
| ddaa | can you put it in a pastebin instead? | 08:08 |
| ryanakca | ddaa: sure | 08:08 |
| ryanakca | ddaa: http://pastebin.ca/427237 | 08:09 |
| phanatic | ddaa: thank you for the detailed answer | 08:11 |
| ddaa | ryanakca: that's weird | 08:11 |
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| ryanakca | if you want, you can just delete the branch and I'll reupload | 08:12 |
| ryanakca | it's still at commit 1 | 08:12 |
| ddaa | well, you cannot delete branches :) | 08:12 |
| ryanakca | The internet connection at school died, so the push died. I have the branch on my key | 08:12 |
| ryanakca | ddaa: pitty | 08:13 |
| ddaa | however what you can do is sftp into the server, remove the .bzr and "bzr push --use-existing-dir" | 08:13 |
| ddaa | ryanakca: I know it's annoying, but deleting stuff from launchpad is a lot of work, and it never a priority for the project. | 08:14 |
| ddaa | so, removing .bzr and push --use-existing-dir should be essentially the same as deleting and creating again. | 08:14 |
| ryanakca | hurra hurra.... doesn't let me. | 08:15 |
| === ryanakca pastebins | ||
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| ryanakca | or not... | 08:17 |
| ryanakca | is there a way for me to ssh into it? | 08:17 |
| ddaa | use lftp | 08:17 |
| === ryanakca is having a hard time... I have to go into the 100 subdirs, delete the files, then delete the dirs | ||
| ryanakca | ... no rm 0fr | 08:17 |
| ddaa | lftp does | 08:17 |
| ryanakca | rm -fr * | 08:17 |
| ryanakca | kk | 08:17 |
| ddaa | nautilus does to... | 08:18 |
| === ryanakca fires up konqueror :D | ||
| ddaa | well... I see you have deleted the contents of branch-lock | 08:19 |
| === ryanakca nods | ||
| ddaa | nevermind | 08:19 |
| === ddaa checks the right place | ||
| ryanakca | well, some of the files | 08:19 |
| ddaa | hold on | 08:19 |
| ryanakca | but theres tmp.11sfqa7014, then 7-8 pending.1jds98q24r42 type dirs, which have files | 08:19 |
| === ryanakca has konqui open... | ||
| ryanakca | and connected... *twiddles* | 08:20 |
| ddaa | deleted | 08:20 |
| ryanakca | thanks :D | 08:20 |
| ddaa | now, push --use-existing-dir | 08:20 |
| ryanakca | done | 08:21 |
| ryanakca | well, pushing | 08:21 |
| ryanakca | so... someone could, in theory, delete their branch with sftp & konqui? | 08:21 |
| ddaa | no | 08:21 |
| ryanakca | kk | 08:21 |
| ddaa | it deletes the contents of the branch | 08:21 |
| ryanakca | ah | 08:21 |
| ddaa | but the branch will still be there in the web ui | 08:21 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 08:21 |
| ddaa | all the difficulty comes from the fact that there is 1. filesystem data 2. database data that may be referenced from other database objects | 08:22 |
| ddaa | deleting 1 does not delete 2 | 08:22 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 08:22 |
| ryanakca | sounds like a big hassle | 08:22 |
| ddaa | and deleting 2 can be difficult, but even then it would not delete 1 | 08:22 |
| ryanakca | although, down the road, to save room on the gigantic hd's... maybe delete branches in +junk/ that have been inactive for 2+ years | 08:23 |
| ddaa | so 2 needs to be marked as "deleted" and all the the stuff that refers to it must know to ignore it | 08:23 |
| ddaa | and then 1 must be garbage collected | 08:23 |
| ddaa | hard disk usage is the least of our problems | 08:23 |
| ryanakca | ah | 08:24 |
| === ryanakca wonders how many TB of HD launchpad has... | ||
| ddaa | it's much cheaper to slam another HD into a raid array than to pay a coder for weeks to get all this shit right | 08:24 |
| ddaa | especially since we only have top notch highly trained coders :) | 08:25 |
| ryanakca | or PB :) | 08:25 |
| ddaa | (and therefore rather expensive ones) | 08:25 |
| ryanakca | lol | 08:25 |
| ddaa | PB? | 08:25 |
| ryanakca | PeraByte | 08:25 |
| ryanakca | petabyte* | 08:25 |
| ddaa | I think the librarian is currently in the terabyte range | 08:26 |
| ryanakca | tera = billion, peta = billiard (thousand billion) | 08:26 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 08:26 |
| === ryanakca wonders if petabyte systems even exist | ||
| ddaa | oh sure | 08:26 |
| ryanakca | then you have exabyte, zettabyte, yottabyte | 08:27 |
| ddaa | high energy physics and biotechnologies produces insane amounts of data | 08:27 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 08:27 |
| ddaa | I think the biggest arrays are close to the exabyte | 08:27 |
| ddaa | but well... when we'll have a petabyte of bzr branches in launchpad | 08:28 |
| ryanakca | yotta = Septillion... and... that's the biggest/highest SI prefix | 08:28 |
| ddaa | we'll probably have some income to pay for it :) | 08:28 |
| ryanakca | lol | 08:28 |
| ryanakca | In a decade or two... | 08:29 |
| ddaa | something like that, not a problem worth worrying about for now | 08:29 |
| ryanakca | nope | 08:29 |
| === ryanakca wonders if Canonical will still be around in 10-15 years... might be able to get a job with it then :) | ||
| ddaa | I think RedHat about about 10 years old | 08:30 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 08:30 |
| ddaa | And we definitely intend to outlive them :) | 08:30 |
| ryanakca | lol | 08:30 |
| ryanakca | hopefully | 08:31 |
| === ryanakca wishes someone would update the Kubuntu website... | ||
| ryanakca | it's soo... boring? bland? | 08:31 |
| ryanakca | and... it's /very/ different from the ubuntu one... if not for the name, the ubuntu logo near the bottom of the page, and the legal copyright blurb, you wouldn't know they were related | 08:32 |
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| ryanakca | lol | 08:32 |
| ddaa | so GNOME is a perfect fit | 08:32 |
| ryanakca | or fluxbox :) | 08:33 |
| === ryanakca pets his KDE | ||
| === ddaa goes back to work | ||
| ryanakca | cheers, and thanks :) | 08:33 |
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| bdmurray | anybody around today or is a holiday? | 10:36 |
| bdmurray | er, is it | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | I'm around | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | but I don't count | 10:41 |
| bdmurray | well, of course you do, but not in terms of launchpad support / questions. ;) | 10:42 |
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| mdke | bdmurray: holidays yeah | 10:53 |
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| mtaylor | can I request a branch be removed on here... I tried registering one directly with the upstream SVN even though it said that doesn't work... | 10:54 |
| mtaylor | https://code.launchpad.net/~monty/dbt/osdldbt | 10:54 |
| mtaylor | wasn't there an option to register non-bzr branches before? (I use bzr myself, but I'm tracking upstream on a project...) | 10:55 |
| bdmurray | mdke: not for the us though | 10:56 |
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| unfo | hi all, how do i forward a bug to an upstream devel mailing list so that list members can click "Reply to All" and replies will get into launchpad? | 11:02 |
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| mtaylor | also... how would I get an upstream bug tracker added to the list? | 11:18 |
| mtaylor | I'm specifically thinking of bugs.mysql.com | 11:18 |
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| unfo | mtaylor: i guess launchpad-users mailing list | 11:27 |
| unfo | mtaylor: actually, better yet, file a bug against malone. | 11:27 |
| mtaylor | unfo: cool. thanks | 11:28 |
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| ryanakca | any way to rename https://launchpad.net/kcypher/ to https://launchpad.net/kcipher/ ? | 11:46 |
| unfo | one other thing I was wondering: why is the launchpad devel wiki private? why can't anyone view it without logging in? | 11:47 |
| unfo | (and edit it after logging in) | 11:48 |
| unfo | mdke: any clue? | 11:49 |
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| Fujitsu | unfo: It most probably contains proprietary implementation details, and various other company secrets. | 12:05 |
| unfo | Fujitsu: so why not make some stuff private and the rest public? | 12:06 |
| unfo | TWiki can do that. | 12:06 |
| Fujitsu | That would be more complex, I guess. | 12:06 |
| Fujitsu | Indeed, we use that at work. | 12:06 |
| unfo | Fujitsu: may i ask: where do you work? | 12:07 |
| Fujitsu | Having a Moinmoin instance hiding behind Apache authentication is a whole lot easier and more reliable, I would imagine. | 12:07 |
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| Fujitsu | unfo: A fairly small IT company which does the networking and general IT stuff for 50-60 medium-sized businesses. | 12:07 |
| Fujitsu | I do the Linux stuff. | 12:07 |
| unfo | if a small IT company can manage to run a semiprivate wiki, surely Canonical could if they devoted the resources to it. :) | 12:09 |
| ubotu | New bug: #103905 in malone "Malone silently ignores bug comments from nonregistered users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103905 | 12:10 |
| unfo | all: I filed 103904 and 103905. | 12:10 |
| ubotu | New bug: #103904 in malone "Malone silently ignores bug reports from nonregistered users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103904 | 12:11 |
| unfo | Malone seems to be ignoring the emails I send from cmdrnacho@gmail.com (which is not a registered launchpad user) to bugs.launchpad.net. | 12:11 |
| SteveA | unfo: hi | 12:14 |
| SteveA | unfo: which wiki exactly are you talking about? | 12:14 |
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