[12:25] <tominglis> wizard_: and stop networkmanager from loading automatically
[12:26] <wizard_> tominglis: cos i like network-manager cos i travel some
[12:26] <wizard_> and it can autodetect and it can manage more than one wifi
[12:26] <tominglis> wizard_: ok :) well, i don't know how to fix it i'm afraid
[12:26] <AmyRose> Ugh, I had to kill network-manager for KDE apps to be able to access the Internet--I have to use a script here
[12:26] <Chicory> Wait, be right back.
[12:26] <wizard_> i was hoping feisty would of had a few of the bugs worked out
[12:27] <tominglis> wizard_: knetworkmanager annoys me cause it always breaks, mebbe there will be an update to networkmanager soon to fix your problem?
[12:27] <tominglis> wizard_: is there a bug for it on launchpad?
[12:27] <wizard_> tominglis: i don't know, primarily because i don't know if its a bug thats specific to me or specific to the program
[12:27] <wizard_> i am trying to trace the problem first
[12:27] <wizard_> i am watching the carrier file of /eth1 and watching it go from status 1 to zero when the timeouts happen
[12:28] <tominglis> well, check out launchpad to see if other people have the same problem?
[12:28] <tominglis> yeah
[12:28] <tominglis> does it work in other operating systems?
[12:28] <AmyRose> What is the proper way to stop NetworkManager to let a script take over?
[12:28] <tominglis> try knoppix or fedora 7 live
[12:29] <Stormx2> 31 more packages left to grab :D
[12:29] <Stormx2> How long might it take to upgrade after that?
[12:30] <mhoney> how do you get glxgears to display FPS?
[12:30] <AmyRose> Network Manager screws up my connection at school and I have to use a script I wrote to authenticate with the WPA system here
[12:31] <wizard_> network manager was the new wave i thought?
[12:31] <budluva> hey does anyone know if there's going to be any cd/dvd cover art for feisty? i've been looking and havent seen anything yet
[12:31] <gnomefreak> mhoney: glxgears -printfps
[12:31] <gnomefreak> or its 2 -
[12:31] <gnomefreak> or not any more
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm doesnt seem feisty has that flag anymore
[12:32] <gnomefreak> glxgears -info   will do it
[12:33] <gnomefreak> seems they combined flags
[12:34] <Daemonik> Just installed Xubuntu FF AMD64 with the alternate disk, grub loads, when I hit enter the monitor makes a high frequency sound like it's getting a signal it can't use then turns off, num-lock key won't light up nothing happens for minutes. Startup using "recovery mode" works. There a way to set what the framebuffer's resolution or frequency is?
[12:34] <wizard_> great my sound doesn't work now!
[12:35] <lavid> hello all :). judging by the release schedule, it seems a new herd cd is coming out today, is that correct?
[12:36] <budluva> beta is out, after that its just final, am i not correct?
[12:36] <wizard_> no sound :-(
[12:37] <budluva> ahh
[12:37] <budluva> herd 6 i guess
[12:37] <budluva> and rc
[12:38] <budluva> meh, i just apt-get upgrade :P no point wasting all those cd's :P
[12:38] <wizard_> anyone know why sound wouldn't be working on an asus a8jm laptop that worked just 20 minutes ago in edgy?
[12:38] <lavid> yeah, i know. i figured that if i was going to download it anyway, maybe i should wait another day for herd6
[12:39] <lavid> wizard_: poke around in alsamixer
[12:39] <wizard_> lavid: the hardware is fully identified too
[12:40] <lavid> wizard_: yeah, alsamixer gives more options than the gnome or kde mixers do, try poking around in there. it might be that the volume is turned down on some mixer you don't know about
[12:40] <wizard_> im in there and theres still nothin' really in it
[12:40] <budluva> wizard_: check mixer properties and make sure nothings muted
[12:40] <wizard_> nothing is
[12:40] <wizard_> still no sound
[12:41] <wizard_> flustering me now
[12:41] <Blind32> i have a quick easy question
[12:41] <Turms> i have problems with feisty+beryl, when x starts beryl starts as well but the window decorator tries several times and eventually stops, afterwards i run beryl --use-copy and it works, i tried changing beryl-manager -> advanced options -> use copy but it doesn't work, only i i run beryl --use-copy it works
[12:41] <budluva> wizard_: external amplifier is checked?
[12:42] <wizard_> budluva: i cant see that
[12:42] <psyke83> Hi, is anyone having trouble when you try to connect to a secured wireless network with NetworkManager? If you do please let me know, I may be able to help
[12:42] <wizard_> budluva: remember this is a laptop
[12:42] <budluva> wizard_: yeah
[12:42] <Blind32> on the faq for wireless adapter, i have a netgear wg311 with the marvel chip set, so i'm using ndiswrapper
[12:42] <nixnoob> hey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?
[12:42] <Blind32> says to type sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`    what is the uname -r part
[12:43] <wizard_> budluva: its still not playing any sound 0.o
[12:43] <wizard_> yet alasa fully sees it
[12:43] <budluva> open your volume control (double-click speaker icon beside your date/time), then EDIT/PREFERENCES, scroll down to bottom, click external amplifier, close that, then it should show up in a new tab SWITCHES, make sure its checked
[12:43] <nixnoob> blind type uname -r in console
[12:43] <wizard_> yup tis chcked
[12:44] <budluva> hrmm
[12:44] <nixnoob> hey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?
[12:44] <budluva> all volumes turned up?
[12:44] <wizard_> yup
[12:44] <lupine_85> nixnoob: I've never trusted ntfsresize
[12:44] <Blind32> ty nixnoob
[12:44] <budluva> that external amp is the only thing thats ever held me back from audio
[12:44] <budluva> wizard_: i dunno then
[12:44] <wizard_> well this is jacked
[12:44] <lupine_85> I've seen it destroy several ntfs partitions
[12:44] <wizard_> i'll brb
[12:44] <nixnoob> so i should use a windows parition manager and then just install feisty on the newly created partition?
[12:45] <firefoxman> Hi, I am having an issue with my update manager. It says that the update it is trying to apply cannot be authenticated.
[12:45] <lupine_85> that'd be safest, yes
[12:45] <firefoxman> It is an update to kaffine and kaffine-xine.
[12:45] <firefoxman> Did I do something wrong?
[12:47] <wizard_> still no sound :-(
[12:47] <firefoxman> HELLO?
[12:49] <wizard_> i dont get it... ubuntu clearly knows what type of sound there is its got it fully identified. just no sound!
[12:49] <Blind32> lol
[12:50] <gnomefreak> wizard_: make sure its not turned off in alsamixer
[12:50] <Blind32> when i type the make command, it has no problem making the .o files, but it can't find the library for the .c files
[12:50] <wizard_> gnomefreak: i checked that everything is turned off
[12:50] <wizard_> on*
[12:51] <wizard_> got all bars up
[12:51] <wizard_> still nothing
[12:51] <gnomefreak> but i do rmeember it was turned off by default about 3 months ago
[12:52] <wizard_> how do ou turn it back on? cos it all looks like the voumes are up
[12:52] <mphill> Before today's upgrade. the volume control looked mac'ish, now its small and looks lame.  anyone experience this?  if i use the volume control on the keyboard it doesn't look good anymore....
[12:52] <Blind32> so when i type make, it says cannot find stdlib.h stdio.h errno.h string.h libgen.h
[12:53] <Daemonik> Are you developers paying attention? mphill says the new volume adjust display SUCKS
[12:53] <mphill> yeah, the one before was awesome...
[12:54] <Daemonik> I'm curious to what it looks like. Point me to a screenshot if you have one mphill
[12:54] <wizard_> so still no resolve on the sound?
[12:54] <mphill> Daemonik, I will post it on my website.  I wish i had a screen shot of the one i liked.  it looked just like mac though
[12:56] <wizard_> no sound im dying uhg
[12:57] <mphill> http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/this_volume_stinks.jpg
[12:58] <mphill> Daemonik, i left some of the gnome panel in there for perspective.
[12:59] <LasseP> hello agaigen trying to move feisty to another partion using tar (from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311) , but how to get it booting from it?
[01:00] <mphill> LasseP, I would recommend using grub-install
[01:01] <mphill> make sure you use the root device and not a partition, but I have heard of people using the install cd to restore grub.  I think that would work best because it seems to recognize your setup and install accordingly.
[01:02] <Ximal_> hmm hello guys ?
[01:02] <LasseP> mphill: ok I try grub thx
[01:02] <Ximal_> gerv you still here ?
[01:02] <Ximal_> ughh gnomefreak ?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> ughh what?
[01:03] <Ximal_> ok i got the audio to work
[01:03] <Ximal_> i had the jack plugged into the left/right sided audio for my surround sound.. didn't realize i had a front/all sound port..
[01:03] <Ximal_> so i plugged in to every port until it had sound.. and blam.. it worked
[01:03] <mphill> Ximal_, oops!
[01:04] <Ximal_> now i gotta get the video to work..
[01:04] <mphill> Ximal_, what video card?
[01:04] <mphill> I can help....
[01:04] <Ximal_> one of the gforce 6800's
[01:04] <mphill> ok
[01:04] <mphill> you have some options
[01:04] <Ximal_> i'm in windows right now..
[01:04] <mphill> i assume you are running feisty?
[01:04] <Ximal_> yeah
[01:04] <Ximal_> it rocks man.. lol
[01:05] <mphill> yes it does
[01:05] <mphill> well, lets reboot into linux and i will guide you
[01:05] <Ximal_> hmm ok..
[01:05] <Ximal_> brb
[01:05] <mphill> hurry, i need to buy a DVD burner soon :)
[01:07] <Blind32> when i typed make, it can't find stdio.h, i downloaded it, where does it look for it?
[01:07] <mphill> Blind32, its your include path
[01:08] <Blind32> ./usr/include/
[01:08] <mphill> type find / -name stdio.h
[01:08] <mphill> verify its where it is
[01:08] <mphill> or maybe try installing the meta package build-essential ? did you do that
[01:09] <Blind32> when i do a find or locate its not there
[01:09] <Blind32> nope haven't done that
[01:09] <mphill> try apt-get install --reinstall build-essential
[01:09] <XVampireX> How do I disable scim?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[01:09] <XVampireX> Why do you enable scim for me?!
[01:09] <XVampireX> I didn't ask you...
[01:10] <Blind32> souldn't find package build-essential
[01:11] <mphill> hold on
[01:11] <mphill> is there
[01:11] <mphill> do you have all your repositories turned on
[01:11] <Ximal{}> ok
[01:11] <Ximal{}> i'm back
[01:12] <Ximal{}> where u at m8 ?
[01:12] <mphill> here
[01:12] <mphill> i'm writing up a mini-howto
[01:12] <mphill> 1 seconds
[01:12] <Ximal{}> okie doke..
[01:13] <Ximal{}> i mean i can see and am using default ubuntu gui
[01:13] <Ximal{}> i'm wondering if there are any other ones i can install like blackwidow etc .. lol
[01:13] <Ximal{}> or BOX
[01:16] <mphill> http://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/12
[01:16] <mphill> Ximal{}, try that, i wrote it from memory but it should get your full 3d with nvidia binary drivers
[01:17] <mphill> Ximal{}, i have to asked though, do you get the popups for restricted drivers? what herd version are you running?
[01:18] <sswitching> Hi, can anyone recommend where I can get a 'good' sources.list?
[01:18] <yaccin> is there a problem with the latest binutils package?
[01:19] <sswitching> the last one i downloaded off the forums seem to do the job except after i'd disabled a third-party repository, i am unable to do any updates
[01:20] <Ximal{}> no  i get normal playback
[01:20] <Ximal{}> i need to figure out how to play a dvd to test playback fully
[01:20] <Ximal{}> is there a way to play dvd's with basic ubuntu install ?
[01:21] <Ximal{}> mphill , did you get that ?
[01:21] <mphill> sswitching,  http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/source.list
[01:22] <Ximal{}> huh ?
[01:22] <Ximal{}> oh ok
[01:22] <sswitching> thanks. mphill
[01:22] <mphill> Ximal{}, let me look, i don't even know if i have mine setup
[01:24] <Ximal{}> its auto installing for me.. soooo sweet
[01:24] <Ximal{}> i'm sooo happy LOL
[01:24] <Ximal{}> OMG THE MOVIE IS PLAYING
[01:24] <Ximal{}> brb
[01:25] <mphill> Ximal{}, what did you do?
[01:25] <Ximal{}> well
[01:25] <Ximal{}> 1 moment.. i'm drewling
[01:25] <Ximal{}> wow dude
[01:25] <Ximal{}> the color is better than in windows
[01:25] <sswitching> watcha drewling bout?
[01:26] <Ximal{}> i got my movie player to w0rk
[01:26] <mphill> what did you do to get dvd playback working?
[01:26] <Ximal{}> ubuntu asked me if i wanted to install the proper codec when i put a dvd in..
[01:26] <Ximal{}> when i put the dvd player in i had the vid player open
[01:26] <Stormx2> 1 hour 36 minutes remaining heh
[01:27] <Ximal{}> i double clicked on the cdrom thing
[01:27] <Stormx2> I sure hope this works
[01:27] <Ximal{}> and it used glib setup program
[01:27] <Ximal{}> auto installed packages/downloads and blam.. works
[01:27] <mphill> humm
[01:27] <mphill> my install is probably broke, its old.  mine is broke
[01:27] <Ximal{}> no menu's access etc
[01:27] <Ximal{}> just main movie playback
[01:27] <sswitching> Ximal{}, do you think apps would break once i replace the source.list with yours and do an update - i sure dont mind as long as I can watch movies and browse.
[01:28] <sswitching> Ximal{}, umm..thats for mphill
[01:28] <Ximal{}> lol
[01:28] <Ximal{}> i know.. i was kinda in aww someone would ASK ME for advice lol
[01:28] <mphill> sswitching, no
[01:28] <sswitching> my source.list looks pretty much like it too.
[01:28] <Stormx2> Why not sure easysource?
[01:28] <sswitching> Ximal{}, perhaps someday you will.
[01:29] <sswitching> Stormx2, i've had bad luck with these easysource and other auto-user-is-dumb scripts. i used to be the kinda guy who keeps an updated package cache of 3GB+ . not anymore.
[01:29] <XVampireX> People
[01:29] <sswitching> I just keep things to a minimum now.
[01:29] <XVampireX> help me disable this shitty thing called scim
[01:29] <Ximal{}> wow
[01:29] <XVampireX> I don't want it on my PC it's buggy
[01:29] <Ximal{}> this is nice
[01:30] <Ximal{}> movie playback.. sound.. all in 1 day
[01:30] <Ximal{}> next.. vmware install ;)
[01:30] <Ximal{}> bet i get it tonight when i get up
[01:30] <Stormx2> sswitching: It isn't a package. It is something on the web
[01:30] <Stormx2> highly recommended
[01:30] <sswitching> Ximal{}, you plan to run windows on it?
[01:30] <Stormx2> !easysource
[01:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:30] <Stormx2> (I hate automatix as much as you)
[01:30] <Stormx2> Oh
[01:30] <Stormx2> Its source-o-matic
[01:30] <Stormx2> Bah
[01:30] <Stormx2> I forget
[01:30] <sswitching> Stormx2, oh oh- i thought its one of those installation scripts.
[01:30] <Ximal{}> sortof
[01:31] <Ximal{}> for eq2.. i don't feel like installing an emulator
[01:31] <sswitching> goodness...i've completely forgotten about source-o-matic. i used it back when i installed edgy..heh
[01:34] <Troels> Good evening
[01:34] <LasseP> trying sudo grub-install /dev/sda (booted an kubuntu cd) but gives Could not find device for
[01:35] <Troels> Why won't Feisty automount external harddrives?
[01:36] <LasseP> it do here usb
[01:36] <Troels> wierd
[01:37] <Troels> when i plug in my drive, nothing happends
[01:37] <Troels> when i do the same in Edgy, it pops up automagically
[01:37] <LasseP> I cant help just say it works here
[01:38] <Troels> is it possible to mount the drive in any other way?
[01:38] <Troels> ok :)
[01:38] <LasseP> maby usb driver is broken
[01:38] <Blind32> sweet
[01:38] <Troels> no, cause my mouse works, and it's usb
[01:38] <Blind32> figured it out on my own
[01:40] <defendguin> ever since a few days ago now it pauses at configuring network costing me 20 seconds during boot
[01:41] <defendguin> its very annoying watching the bar stop for so long on this machine
[01:43] <michael_> even after i reinstalled the nvidia-glx-legacy pacage, i still seem to not get 3d working..... but before in edgy i got it to work...?? what next?
[01:43] <XVampireX> HELPME
[01:43] <XVampireX>  PLEASE!
[01:44] <michael_> Your system does not have the required software to enable 3D mode. Please contact your system administrator and ask them to install the OpenGL Python bindings and the GtkGLExt Python bindings.
[01:44] <michael_> ???? i had it before....
[01:46] <XVampireX> CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?!
[01:51] <wizard_> so i guess the sound issue is the kernel??
[01:52] <LasseP> if I install kubuntu now can I later install gnome on it?
[01:52] <Eleaf> yes LasseP
[01:52] <Eleaf> you would just do sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[01:53] <Eleaf> or use synaptics or something.
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> actually
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> it's sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <Eleaf> well then.
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> and for kde - sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    : )
[01:53] <Eleaf> t3h drama FunnyLookinHat
[01:53] <Eleaf> ;)
[01:53] <LasseP> oki thanke then I do that now!
[01:54] <wizard_> LasseP: lots of space used but yew
[01:54] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[01:54] <wizard_> i wish i knew why sound isn't working on feisty
[01:54] <LasseP> well hdds is cheep those days >(
[01:55] <LasseP> ops wrong keymap
[01:55] <Chicory> Okay, so ... somwhow I managed to get my nvidia card uninstalled already.
[01:55] <FunnyLookinHat> wizard_, search the forums for your audio chipset or computer model for a fix... and please bug report it on launchpad.net    : )
[01:55] <Chicory> Nvidia-glx is giving me hell, and the official installation .sh says I'm not supported ...
[01:55] <Chicory> Is there any documented way to reinstall the drivers?
[01:56] <wizard_> FunnyLookinHat: its been bug reported
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> just sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> then do
[01:56] <wizard_> i tried the workaround and it failed
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:56] <PriceChild> Chicory, you on a new-legacy card?
[01:56] <Chicory> Well, I tried that.
[01:56] <Chicory> Hmm>?
[01:56] <Chicory> How would you define a 7300?
[01:57] <Chicory> Er, no, 7600.
[01:57] <Chicory> My old one was a 7300.
[01:57] <PriceChild> that's definitely not legacied
[01:57] <XVampireX> People are you kidding me?
[01:57] <FunnyLookinHat> About what XVampireX
[01:57] <XVampireX> I really don't want scim....
[01:57] <XVampireX> why is this forcing me to use scim?
[01:57] <XVampireX> Is ubuntu the next windows?
[01:57] <XVampireX> I can't disable it...
[01:58] <FunnyLookinHat> What is scim ?
[01:58] <wizard_> well this is depressing
[01:58] <wizard_> no audio on feisty
[01:59] <ExodusC> I was directed over here from #xubuntu... Anyone know of a procedure for installing NVIDIA drivers on Xubuntu for a 7000 series card?  Everything I've seen only covers 4, FX, and 6 series cards... I'm running a 7800GTX.
[01:59] <FunnyLookinHat> ExodusC,     sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:59] <Chicory> Not to spam, but it seems that ... subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[01:59] <PriceChild> ExodusC, in feisty?
[01:59] <XVampireX> Why do you people keep asking what is scim?!
[01:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Or enable restricted drivers through the GUI.
[02:00] <PriceChild> XVampireX, because they don' tknow whati t is?
[02:00] <ExodusC> PriceChild: Yes.
[02:00] <PriceChild> ExodusC, use the restricted-manager
[02:00] <PriceChild> or !nvidia
[02:00] <LasseP> feisty is so damn nice it gimme back old Amiga feeling :)
[02:00] <ExodusC> I did the package manager and attempted to get them, but it crashed my X server.
[02:00] <ExodusC> I'm very new to linux btw... heh
[02:01] <mphill> ExodusC, you will enjoy it...
[02:01] <Blind32> can anyone help me with a WPA-PSK problem
[02:01] <ExodusC> Heh, was that sarcasm? :P
[02:01] <mphill> no
[02:02] <Chicory> Dude, this linmodem driver RULES.
[02:02] <ExodusC> I mean, I think Linux seems like a good alternative OS.  I've always been a Windows guy, I know it like the back of my hand, so it's a little different being on Linux.
[02:02] <Chicory> Yes, you can vivisect the hand and put it back together in any way you want.
[02:02] <budluva__> ExodusC:  that should change :P
[02:02] <mphill> ExodusC, are you trying to use the binary installer
[02:02] <Chicory> And isntall themes for every fingernail.  XD
[02:02] <Chicory> *install
[02:03] <ExodusC> mphill: I used Package Manager to get the nvidia package last time, but it crashed my X server, so I'm not so sure I should use that
[02:03] <mphill> ExodusC, I wrote this manual install howoto for NVIDIA -> http://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/12
[02:04] <mphill> This should work for you
[02:04] <mphill> bbl
[02:05] <Chicory> Thanks, mphill.
[02:07] <LasseP> the only trouble when install nvidia I had was it used singel core, but it was easy fixed!
[02:08] <ExodusC> Err, so, I'm curious, when I go into the terminal window by using Alt+Ctrl+F1, how do I return to X-windows.. heh
[02:08] <LasseP> alt ctrl F7
[02:08] <Arko> Alt+F7
[02:09] <LasseP> oki install done reboot :)
[02:11] <smart_> Hi,Why kernel 2.6.20.14 wont loading
[02:12] <Daemonik> smart_, Try recovery mode, it worked for me
[02:12] <Daemonik> Then just hit ctrl-d and things seem to start up as normal
[02:13] <duslow> any here use nomachine on 7.04?
[02:13] <duslow> *anyone
[02:14] <smart_> Daemonik, ok Thanks
[02:14] <smart_> Will try
[02:14] <smart_> Bye
[02:14] <Daemonik> Good luck
[02:15] <Arko> is 2.6.20.14 out?
[02:16] <PriceChild> !linux-image-generic
[02:17] <PriceChild> !info linux-image-generic
[02:17] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20.13.10 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:17] <PriceChild> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[02:17] <PriceChild> No :)
[02:18] <Arko> oh thanks gosh. I hate upgrading
[02:20] <ExodusC> mphill: I followed your guide, but after I accepted the NVIDIA terms of agreement, it said there was no precompiled interface for my kernel..
[02:24] <ExodusC> :3
[02:25] <dragon52225> Just asking again...  (because i'm eager to install ubuntu, lol).  Does anyone have any idea on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103435
[02:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 103435 in debian-installer "Install CD Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:29] <budluva__> can someone please take a look at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14113/
[02:29] <budluva__> im having problems mounting my 2nd hdd
[02:29] <budluva__> i cant mount because of a bad fstab line, but i dont see anything wrong with my /dev/hdb1
[02:31] <budluva__> dragon52225: i installed feisty beta cd, had 0 problems
[02:33] <leagris> budluva__, what entry does not work ?
[02:34] <leagris> the last point to /dev/hdb1 and there are no such partition
[02:34] <budluva__> line 16, /dev/hdb1
[02:34] <leagris> could you add cat /proc/partitions to the paste ?
[02:34] <leagris> it will list available and usable partitions
[02:35] <Hobart> since feisty's newest xorg is newer than supported by the ati fglrx driver, I guess I need to fall back a version ? :\
[02:35] <budluva__> yeah ill add that to the pastebin post
[02:35] <budluva__> also added sudo fdisk -l
[02:35] <budluva__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14117/
[02:35] <Hobart> or has any hacker not posted to wikis/forums and figured out a way to make fglrx work with the new one ;-)
[02:36] <leagris> budluva__, oups juste found it
[02:36] <leagris> when requesting a mount you must spell the mount point and not the device
[02:37] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/
[02:37] <budluva__> [mntent] : line 16 in /etc/fstab is bad
[02:37] <budluva__> mount: can't find /media/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:37] <budluva__> whats wrong with my fstab line?
[02:37] <budluva__> i cant see why its not mounting?
[02:37] <leagris> so you should write : mount /media/hdb1 instead of mount /dev/hdb1
[02:37] <leagris> /dev/hdb1 is the device node
[02:37] <budluva__> yes i know
[02:38] <leagris> line 1 of the paste is wrong
[02:38] <budluva__> line 1 in my fstab?
[02:38] <leagris> line 1 of the paste
[02:38] <leagris> sudo mount /dev/hdb1
[02:38] <leagris> that's no good
[02:39] <budluva__> yeah i get the same error when i mount /media/hdb1, look up a few lines
[02:39] <budluva__> here in the channel, not paste
[02:39] <budluva__> still telling my i have a bad fstab entry
[02:40] <leagris> in line 16 you must not have a space after the coma ,
[02:40] <leagris> the line about the mount point options for /media/hdb1
[02:40] <budluva__> argh
[02:40] <budluva__> thanks
[02:41] <leagris> default,user instead of default, user
[02:41] <budluva__> f'in picky fstab :P
[02:41] <leagris> gparted or qtparted is your friend if you prefer friendy guy
[02:41] <budluva__> i used gparted to format that drive
[02:42] <budluva__> gparted writes to your fstab too?
[02:42] <leagris> If you tell it a mount point yes
[02:43] <budluva__> hrmm didnt know that, thanks
[02:43] <budluva__> hrmm
[02:43] <budluva__> it mounted as root
[02:43] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:/media$ ls -la
[02:43] <budluva__> drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root 4096 2007-04-01 00:25 hdb1
[02:44] <leagris> yes
[02:44] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/
[02:44] <budluva__> didnt mount as su though
[02:44] <leagris> because you specified the user option
[02:44] <budluva__> wtf?
[02:44] <leagris> and you mounted it as root
[02:44] <budluva__> no, i mounted it as user
[02:44] <budluva__> well doesnt the user option let you mount as user?
[02:45] <leagris> it does
[02:45] <leagris> maybe the default
[02:45] <budluva__> mount as user, but it mounts with root being owner?
[02:45] <leagris> wierd
[02:45] <budluva__> hmmm
[02:45] <Niriven> If i get feisty, will it update when the release is out?
[02:46] <leagris> Niriven, yes
[02:46] <Niriven> or do i have to reinstall
[02:46] <Niriven> leagris: Thank you
[02:46] <concept10> Anyone worked with the Matchbox WM before?
[02:46] <Niriven> leagris: Appreciated
[02:46] <Niriven> Anyone here use xfs or jfs?
[02:46] <budluva__> Niriven: it won't update on it's own, it will tell you there are updates to install though, you have to update yourself
[02:46] <Niriven> budluva: Basically my question is will my sources.list be setup for the release (same as beta)
[02:47] <leagris> Niriven, worked with xfs 2y ago
[02:47] <Niriven> leagris: Hmm, not too impressed? im using ext3, not sure if its the best thing to use. I know there is no best, though, im lookign for something quicker
[02:47] <leagris> Niriven, no need to change the source list. IT already point to feisty
[02:48] <leagris> Niriven, I was not impressed with XFS, I found it quite slow for every day use on desktop
[02:48] <Niriven> leagris: Which filesysystem do you use?
[02:48] <leagris> Tryed reiser3 and lost some data/files sometimes with huge CPU usage at times
[02:49] <leagris> Niriven, ext3,
[02:49] <leagris> reliable, fast, don't eat cpu cycles...
[02:49] <budluva__> Niriven: yes, if you install beta you will be ready to roll when final is out, just sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will get you to final when its out
[02:49] <Stevedm> anyone knows why there is no kcontrol items in the KDE menu of feisty?
[02:50] <Niriven> budluva: kk, i use debian so im familiar with apt, just not sure how ubuntu worked
[02:50] <budluva__> Niriven: ubuntu is debian-based so you should be quite familiar with it :P
[02:50] <Niriven> budluva: I know, but you never know, differnt distributors can change how things work :)
[02:50] <budluva__> yeah
[02:51] <leagris> budluva__, Naddiseo[afk]  in debian there are aliases names for testing and distroname, so if you point your sources.list to testing it will remain in testing state even when release is stable
[02:51] <Niriven> I am extremely impressed on how well ubuntu well, 'just works'
[02:51] <leagris> if you point to distroname, you will stay up to that named one
[02:52] <leagris> There are no such alias with ubuntu
[02:52] <concept10> What is the minimum package I need to run X?
[02:52] <Niriven> concept: what?
[02:53] <leagris> concept10, apt-get install xserver-xorg and it will drage necessary deps
[02:53] <concept10> leagris, so x11-common will not do the trick?
[02:54] <Niriven> I dont know if this is warrented or not, but i slightly worry about upgrading. Does ubuntu (even debian) manage deps that are no longer used (as in, delete), etc? Does it keep the system as clean as possible?
[02:54] <concept10> Niriven, no
[02:54] <leagris> Niriven, it upgrade ok until it fail ;o)
[02:55] <Niriven> Pfft :-/
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> Niriven: there's an autoremove feature in apt that will remove packages that were installed as dependancies of other packages that are not depended on any more.
[02:55] <concept10> Niriven, depending what you do on your system, some things get left over, but upgrades are fine as the packages get replaced
[02:55] <leagris> had to tweak repair quite some upgrade between edgy and feithy
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> Niriven: however, I don't know how it keeps track of that and if it will work upgrading from a system where apt didn't have autoremove to one that does.
[02:56] <nick_> my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help
[02:56] <concept10> autoremove will get you in trouble if youre not carefull
[02:57] <Niriven> heh
[02:57] <concept10> okay, I need a way to transfer packages to my embedded device, I heard about something that can do this.  Anyone know what im talking about?
[02:58] <nick_> my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help
[02:58] <concept10> I have to look, cant remember what it's called
[02:59] <concept10> gosh ubuntu needs another channel
[03:00] <buu> So uh
[03:01] <budluva__> anyone know a good tool to test disk transfer speeds? i want to see what im getting here from hda to hdb
[03:01] <buu> I'm trying to follow instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl for composite managers to get to beryl or compiz or something and it tells me to install xserver-xgl, which doesn't seem to exist any more
[03:06] <concept10> may I safely remove the xserver drivers I dont need?
[03:13] <dragon52225> Can anyone decipher these two error lines?  (linux noob)
[03:13] <dragon52225> Int 14: CR2 f8000000 err 00000000 EIP c020bc34 CS 00000060 flags 00100007
[03:13] <dragon52225> Stack: c00f7c60 c03f12eb c0370be4 0000002 c00f7c69 000f7c60 00000000 00000000
[03:30] <Stormx2> I've been upgrading for 12 hours now.... >__<
[03:33] <concept10> I have installed the matchbox window manager and xserver-xorg but I cant run it because I have no startx!  Where does this come from? (package)
[03:37] <sigh> how do you log in?
[03:37] <sigh> concept
[03:38] <sigh> i have an nvidia 5200, i cant get nvidia drivers to install properly for the life of me
[03:39] <sigh> tried restricted driver manager, different nvidia drivers, different linux kernels
[03:40] <michaelfavia> what is the proper way to auto connect to a bluetooth keyboard and mouse in 7.04?
[03:41] <michaelfavia> edit vim /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?
[03:41] <michaelfavia> and add the two MAC aadys?
[03:41] <yuriy> anybody else have broken sound with newest kernel?
[03:41] <yuriy> (that's just a guess, i haven't tested an older one yet)
[03:43] <michaelfavia> nm i found a decent guide...
[03:43] <michaelfavia> FF moved BT around a little but it is decently the same...
[03:44] <yuriy> found a thread on it..
[03:47] <SuperTeece> this last update has seemed to smack me somehow, my computer freezes at the startup screen, I can force it to skip whatever process is causing it with ctrl-alt-del, how can I find out which part of the boot process is sticking?
[03:49] <SuperTeece> nevermind, just found it in the forums, its not just me, yay
[03:49] <defendguin> SuperTeece: its doing a configure network things
[03:49] <defendguin> damn
[03:50] <M4ri00sh> SuperTeece:
[03:50] <M4ri00sh> what was it?
[03:50] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: huh?
[03:51] <M4ri00sh> what was the process which causes the freeze
[03:52] <mike1> opera has crashed in feisty?
[03:53] <M4ri00sh> SuperTeece: the link to the forum might help :D)
[03:54] <mike1> opera,,X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[03:54] <mike1> mmm
[04:03] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: the problem is occurring during the network configuration step of the boot
[04:06] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: hmmm
[04:06] <defendguin> it  was happening in edgy  but it had never happened in feisty until 2 days ago
[04:06] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: i am able to get into login screen but after ~2 minutes it freezes
[04:06] <DanaG> Still vorking.
[04:07] <DanaG> er, wrpmg chamnnnel.
[04:07] <Mena> Have a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)
[04:07] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: if i am able to login, i am able to play within gnome about 1 minute and it's gone :) freeeze
[04:07] <Death_Sargent> I have a file that I can't acess
[04:08] <M4ri00sh> ?
[04:08] <Death_Sargent> everytime I try nautilus fails and restarts
[04:08] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: we have different issues
[04:08] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: hmmm :) that is my main issue :)
[04:08] <slyfox> I have Ubuntu 7.04 beta with all latest updates and I switched from wired to wireless network today and then just now want to go back to hte wired network, i plug in the network cable but the wired connection does not get highlighted in the network manager, I cannot connect to my wired network. Help.
[04:08] <gop> hi
[04:08] <gop> I did a upgrade -d
[04:08] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[04:08] <gop> after I reboot
[04:10] <gop> after I reboot
[04:10] <Mena> I  Have a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz
[04:10] <gop> men my computer goes in to the grub>
[04:11] <gop> but I typed boot
[04:11] <gop> I get a error 8
[04:11] <gop> no kernel is found
[04:11] <gop> and I try to do find /
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> try the other kernel
[04:11] <gop> it don't find nothing
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> should have 2.6.27
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> 17
[04:11] <gop> find /vmlinuxlinuz is not found
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> wow
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> your six kinds of fucked
[04:12] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> you have an install disk for fiesty?
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> if not get one
[04:12] <gop> nope
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> get one
[04:12] <gop> I got a install disk for
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> do linux rescue
[04:12] <Mena> So
[04:12] <gop> oh
[04:12] <gop> hmm I may need to burn one
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> I would get craken
[04:12] <Mena> !grub
[04:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> download is slow like a bitch
[04:13] <gop> can I do a linux rescue from a eddgy cd
[04:13] <Death_Sargent> no
[04:13] <Death_Sargent> different kernel versions entirely
[04:14] <Death_Sargent> you could do all kinds of dammage
[04:14] <Mena> > I  Have a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz
[04:14] <qkslvrwolf> ok, the upgrade crushed my video (again...does every time...you would think I would learn)
[04:14] <qkslvrwolf> I got my gnome back after about 4 hours work
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> but the resolution is wrong
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> the resolution and refresh rates are correct in xorg.conf
[04:15] <gop> can I do a linux rescue
[04:15] <gop> first find a way to  burn the cd
[04:15] <gop> I had d one a dist-d
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> and I've run dpkg-reconfigure about 10 times to get to where I am (latest kernel (20-14) and glx-legacy got me where I"m at
[04:16] <qkslvrwolf> any ideas how to get my resolution correct again?
[04:16] <Death_Sargent> everytime I ttry to acess sertain folders nautilus crashes
[04:16] <Mena> !kde-devel
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-devel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <Mena> !kde-level
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <qkslvrwolf> and whats the gnome menu editing tool, again?
[04:23] <Kevn_> hey guys trying to setup a dell laptop using 1390 mini wireless integrated wifi, any pointers
[04:29] <black9ice> Just installed Feisty, is this partial update safe to do? then continue on with updates after?
[04:35] <macogw>  black9ice yeah sure
[04:36] <Draconicus> brb
[04:36] <macogw> just uh, if your next boot is slow, edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out everything but lo
[04:36] <Kevn_> I like cake
[04:37] <pianoboy3333> Where's herd 6?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: cancelled
[04:38] <pianoboy3333> por que?
[04:38] <macogw> pianoboy3333: cuz it coincides with final freeeze
[04:38] <Hobbsee> and easter, and devs being on holidays
[04:38] <macogw> so theyre just going straight to release candidate
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> cool...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> was on th eubuntu-devel ML
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> so if I were to install feisty.. what iso shoul dI use? beta?
[04:39] <macogw> pianoboy3333: if you want a disk that is up to date without a bunch of having to download updates, get the daily build
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> okf ine
[04:39] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: yeah
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> *ok fine
[04:39] <Hobbsee> may not install though
[04:40] <macogw> ok get the beta and daily build
[04:40] <macogw> and try the daily build first to avoid updates, but then if it doesnt work you'll have a beta on hand
[04:40] <Hobbsee> there arent that many updates
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if the daily builds are up to date, either
[04:42] <black9ice> Hobbsee: I have the 7.04 CD, and there is 312mb of updates for me at least
[04:45] <macogw> Hobbsee: how can it be a daily build and not up to date?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> macogw: if the daily builds are on manual again
[04:50] <Draconicus> brb
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> and another kernel update... lol
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> so far, so good
[05:07] <icecruncher> can you guys tell me how to add a command at boot?
[05:07] <shirish> icecruncher: most probably in /etc/init.d or /etc/rcS.d
[05:07] <foxiness> hey, after i did a reinstall spellcheck not wroking 'tomboy,gaim' ,is there something i need to check or reconfigure / enable?
[05:09] <icecruncher> ah, my system does not have either file
[05:10] <icecruncher> I open them in nano, says it's a new file, so dunno
[05:12] <_Ben_> Last nights updates broke X. I had to edit the driver in my xorg.conf back from 'nvidia' to 'nv' for it to start.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> _Ben_: it's a kernel update.  this is normal.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> depending on what they changed
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> it will get better
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> when they went to -13 it was broken
[05:15] <Hobbsee> all of the nvidia kernel stuff needs to be recompiled for the new kernel, due to the abi bump.
[05:15] <_Ben_> Hobbsee, Ah, I see. I'll have to run the program to build a new kernel module or whatever then.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> this is normal, this happens all the time.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> we cant fix it, as we cant control them.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> _Ben_: exactly
[05:15] <Hobbsee> nomasteryoda: not just -13.  all fo them.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:16] <Hobbsee> nomasteryoda: same with ndiswrapper, if you compile that from source
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:16] <bullgard4> What is the proper way to get rid of the old kernels on my computer and grub after several updates?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: sudo apt-get autoremove
[05:17] <gop> dam grub giving me still an error
[05:17] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I will give it a try. Happy Easter!
[05:17] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[05:17] <Hobbsee> you too!
[05:21] <Arko> which program I use to make a screenshot?
[05:22] <smr> Anyone here know about why Feisty crashes during ubiquity after continuing after partition settings?
[05:22] <icecruncher> no, sorry
[05:22] <icecruncher> Arko: It's the same one as before
[05:23] <Bonez56> hi, can anyone please link me to a page that I can follow instructions to install Beryl/AIGLX on Fiesty?
[05:23] <Arko> icecruncher: before?
[05:23] <icecruncher> I belive it was KSnapshot
[05:24] <Arko> just found it
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/4/17254
[05:24] <icecruncher> cool
[05:24] <Bonez56> foxiness, thank you very much
[05:24] <Bonez56> foxiness, except I have nvidia lol :)
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: you well come
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: haha k
[05:25] <foxiness> Bonez56: http://mobile.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/04/173249
[05:25] <Bonez56> foxiness, awesome, thanks
[05:25] <_Ben_> What would the kernel source path be, assuming I've installed the 'kernel-source' package?
[05:26] <icecruncher> do any of you know how to add a ommand to bootup?
[05:26] <foxiness> Bonez56: np
[05:26] <icecruncher> * command
[05:27] <Bonez56> foxiness, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 <-- this page is cool, it has instructions for everything
[05:27] <foxiness> Bonez56: i will see thanks for inform me
[05:27] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Make a script, put it in /etc/init.d/
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Then  update-rc.d 'scriptname' defaults
[05:28] <Megaqwerty> When I try to boot, it stalls at something like "Enabling Network Interfaces" and the only way for me to boot (which is why I am able to talk to you) is by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which, I thought would cause me to reboot, but instead, killed the process, and allowed the boot to finish. Any ideas as to why it's doing that?
[05:28] <icecruncher> k thanks
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Probably have to chmod the script +X too
[05:28] <icecruncher> ya
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, I'm no expert, though. So maybe someone in here should confirm what I just said before you run off and do it. ;)
[05:29] <icecruncher> this does sound better than the other methosd that have been suggested
[05:30] <_Ben_> icecruncher, defaults should refer to runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 & put a link to stop the script in 0, 1, 6.
[05:30] <foxiness> Bonez56: for the last two link i just copy/past from my email early i notice its for ati :)
[05:30] <icecruncher> _Ben_: can you explain that please?
[05:30] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: I have heard that this method may work, however, I just put it in /etc/init.d and create a symlink to /etc/rc.2.d/ then rename the script as S99<scriptname>
[05:31] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: the S means start, and the 99 means that the script should be executed after all of the other boot scripts have run
[05:31] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Maybe just do it Megaqwerty's way. ;)
[05:32] <icecruncher> k
[05:32] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: remember to chmod the script with +x (sudo chmod +x)
[05:32] <icecruncher> lol
[05:34] <Megaqwerty> Can anyone help me with my above problem?
[05:34] <_Ben_> Anyway, I've gotta go get my video driver running again. Later. :)
[05:34] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: however the /ect/init.d file is a new one when I open it in nano
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: no, it's a folder
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: (/etc/init.d/)
[05:35] <icecruncher> oh, put the script in the folder?
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: yeah
[05:35] <icecruncher> k
[05:36] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: *don't rename the script itself, just the symlink
[05:36] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: sorry about that, I don't think I made that clear
[05:37] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: Following your advice did not remove th old kernels and Grub entries. It only removed 3 libraries.
[05:37] <icecruncher> no prob
[05:37] <sparr> where can i find a specific obsolete version of a package?
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> sparr: archive.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: you can remove them thru synaptic, too
[05:40] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I will check that.
[05:41] <shirish> guys anybody has gmailfs running?
[05:42] <shirish> it says usr/local/bin/gmailfs.py   /path/of/mount/point gmailfs   noauto,username=gmailuser, password=gmailpass, fsname=zOlRRa
[05:42] <shirish> now what should the mount point be?
[05:43] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: the symlink is a link? you create a link  of the script and rename it?
[05:43] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: let me type out an example...it's been a while since I made a symlink...hold on
[05:44] <shirish> anybody?
[05:44] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>
[05:44] <icecruncher> k
[05:44] <icecruncher> thank you very much
[05:44] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: you're most certainly welcome. :-)
[05:44] <shirish> Megaqwerty: can u help me?
[05:45] <Megaqwerty> shirish: possibly
[05:45] <shirish> I am trying to run gmailfs driver which is written by a certain Richard Jones http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html
[05:45] <Megaqwerty> shirish: I've never attempted or known of the existence of gmailfs
[05:46] <shirish> it is a way you can upload files to your gmail account.
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: but I'll read that page, and tell you what I can.
[05:46] <shirish> thanx
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: oh, well there is a firefox plugin that does that for you
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: want me to hunt that down?
[05:46] <shirish> sure that would be cool
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: okay, hold on
[05:47] <Megaqwerty> shirish: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1593
[05:47] <shirish> thanx did not know that an extension/add-on existed for that also lol :P
[05:50] <Megaqwerty> shirish: as you will find, there is an extension for almost anything :-D
[05:50] <shirish> Megaqwerty: yup, I know I have been giving people the taste of add-ons but Gspace this one is cool
[05:51] <icecruncher> yeah gspace is quite nice
[05:52] <icecruncher> still a bit buggy in fx3
[05:52] <sacater> '21
[05:52] <wizard__> crimsun: hey
[05:53] <wizard__> crimsun: im booting my laptop to ubuntu now
[05:53] <wizard__> crimsun: you want me to run and paste all these  for you bud?
[05:54] <crimsun> wizard__: in one pastebin.ca entry, yes.
[05:54] <wizard__> crimsun: okay, they'll be devided by lines
[05:54] <crimsun> wizard__: I may need additional info; we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
[05:54] <wizard__> crimsun: i've got my laptop logging in now
[05:54] <wizard_> crimsun: back
[05:56] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty:  "ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>"  there is no dot between rc2.d lol
[05:56] <icecruncher> :)
[05:56] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: whoops
[05:57] <icecruncher> gonna test it now
[05:57] <icecruncher> so long
[05:57] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: once again, sorry about that. But I'm glad you get the concept
[05:57] <icecruncher> ja
[05:57] <Megaqwerty> Good Luck
[06:01] <wizard_> !paste
[06:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <wizard_> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14140/
[06:04] <wizard_> crimsun: got that?
[06:04] <shirish> he got the concept of symbolic linking
[06:04] <crimsun> wizard_: yes, please be patient
[06:04] <wizard_> crimsun: im good i just wanted to make sure you got it
[06:04] <wizard_> my network-manager keeps timing
[06:06] <shirish> guys what is the keyboard shortcut to make all the running windows minimize and show the desktop
[06:06] <shirish> alternatively what keyboard combo shortcut will enable me to minimize windows like Gaim?
[06:07] <shirish> anybody?
[06:07] <icecruncher> what?
[06:07] <foxiness> shirish: press the small icon on upper-left
[06:08] <foxiness> shirish: you can find all s-c
[06:08] <shirish> foxiness: I am specifically looking for a keyboard shortcut combo
[06:08] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: it works, thanks again
[06:08] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: You're welcome.
[06:10] <foxiness> shirish: & you can go to system>..>key board shortcut to see more
[06:10] <shirish> that brainwave just entered my head right couple of moments ago when I asked u
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard_: amixer set 'Master' unmute && amixer set 'Master' 80% && amixer set 'PCM' unmute && amixer set 'PCM' 80%
[06:10] <foxiness> plz do not do that
[06:11] <shirish> all in the name of love :)
[06:11] <wizard_> crimsun: do that?
[06:11] <crimsun> wizard_: copy and paste that into a Terminal
[06:13] <wizard_> crimsun: done
[06:13] <wizard_> crimsun: next step?
[06:14] <gerry_> hello
[06:14] <crimsun> wizard_: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[06:14] <gerry_> kvm virtual mouse can't work
[06:14] <icecruncher> if you cancel the aptitude process it locks the repository, hwo can you unlock it?
[06:14] <wizard_> crimsun: i hear nada
[06:15] <xtknight> gerry_, you may need to adjust the xorg.conf file under the virtual machine
[06:15] <gerry_> ixtknight: xp vm
[06:15] <crimsun> wizard_: pastebin ``amixer && cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*''
[06:15] <gerry_> xtknight:  xp vm
[06:16] <xtknight> gerry_, oh.. hmm.  i'm not sure
[06:16] <xtknight> check device manager somehow i'd say.  did you start kvm with mouse parameters or anything?  any thing about the mouse in the command line options?  ps/2/ etc?
[06:16] <gerry_> it seems keyboard not work  yet
[06:16] <wizard_> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14142/
[06:17] <gerry_> no extra options
[06:18] <gerry_> my feisty is up to date
[06:18] <gerry_> ps/2 mouse
[06:18] <gerry_> three days ago, mouse worked
[06:19] <gerry_> but after updated to now, it not work
[06:19] <gerry_> i think it's a xorg's problem, but don't know how to fix   it
[06:20] <shirish> does anybody know of any other application than the now no longer maintained art-manager
[06:20] <shirish> !info art-manager
[06:20] <ubotu> Package art-manager does not exist in feisty
[06:20] <shirish> !info gnome-art
[06:20] <ubotu> gnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-5 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB
[06:22] <wizard_> crimsun: i also seem to be having an issue with my refresh rate... its at 50 when it should be 60 but that comes later lol
[06:22] <crimsun> wizard_: please try sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[06:23] <wizard_> crimsun: its in use
[06:23] <wizard_> crimsun: i need to kill gtk
[06:23] <wizard_> so i'll kill gdm
[06:23] <wizard_> and return okay?
[06:27] <sparr> where can i find a specific obsolete version of a feisty package?  archive.ubuntu.org only seems to have up to edgy
[06:28] <crimsun> which version of which binary package?
[06:28] <foxiness> reader!
[06:29] <foxiness> adobe!
[06:29] <Megaqwerty> sparr: possibly at packages.ubuntu.org (or com, I don't remember)
[06:29] <foxiness> pdf!
[06:29] <crimsun> foxiness: we can't distribute that for fairly obvious reasons.
[06:30] <sparr> crimsun: ktorrent, any version between current feisty and current edgy
[06:30] <foxiness> haha
[06:31] <foxiness> crimsun: realy?
[06:31] <wizard_> crimsun: okay
[06:31] <crimsun> sparr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent , choose any of the feisty versions you want
[06:31] <wizard_> crimsun: still no sound man :-(
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> gerry_, did you fix it?... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the following line under Section "InputDevice" ... Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" and the line below... "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[06:33] <crimsun> sparr: then, in the upper left, choose the desired architecture, then choose the link under resulting binaries
[06:33] <gerry_> nomasteryoda,not yet
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:33] <crimsun> wizard_: which model=  did you use?
[06:33] <wizard_> what you said
[06:33] <wizard_> model=laptop
[06:33] <wizard_> should i modify that inside the alasa config too?
[06:34] <gerry_> nomasteryoda: and then?
[06:34] <shirish> guys how do I delete stuff from desktop without going to trash, shift delete just sends it to trash instead of deleting it, in nautilus > Preferences > Behavior I have checked for delete command bypassing trash?
[06:34] <crimsun> wizard_: ok, so now choose model=laptop-eapd
[06:34] <wizard_> crimsun: should i be appending this in alasa-base?
[06:34] <crimsun> wizard_: you should not be touching /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:35] <wizard_> okay
[06:35] <wizard_> cos thats what a lot of guides said to edit
[06:35] <wizard_> i'll correct what i put in there now
[06:35] <gerry_> nomasteryoda?
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> gerry_, if those lines are there
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> you should be ok
[06:35] <gerry_> yes
[06:35] <wizard_> crimsun: okay laptop-eapd
[06:35] <gerry_> it's there
[06:35] <wizard_> brb
[06:36] <gerry_> nomasteryoda: nope, it's there from the beginning
[06:37] <sparr> crimsun: thanks
[06:37] <crimsun> foxiness: yes. There's a closed bug about that very reason.
[06:37] <crimsun> foxiness: and don't query me, as I can't respond.
[06:37] <sparr> whats up with apt-get autoremove?  i used apt in debian for years and never saw that, but in ubuntu i see packages listed for autoremoval every week
[06:37] <wizard_> crimsun: should i reboot or drop to init 1 or anything?
[06:38] <wizard_> crimsun: cos i still got no sound :-(
[06:38] <RAOF> sparr: autoremove is new (in Edgy)
[06:39] <foxiness> crimsun: k fine, "acroread_7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10_i386" ? then i go with this ?
[06:39] <sparr> .
[06:40] <sparr> RAOF: ahh, just a coincidence in timing then
[06:40] <RAOF> Probably.  Although if you've been using aptitude, it does autoremove automatically :)
[06:41] <wizard_> did i get disconnected? lol
[06:41] <crimsun> wizard_: we have several additional models to test
[06:41] <wizard_> or is it just quiet
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: okay.
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: when applying these do i just need to restart x?
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: or should i reboot or anything?
[06:42] <crimsun> wizard_: after each module load, are you raising and unmuting the appropriate mixer elements?
[06:42] <wizard_> yes
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: i am running the terminal command u gave me
[06:44] <crimsun> wizard_: which terminal command? I've stated several
[06:44] <wizard_> the amixer one
[06:45] <wizard_> crimsun: to set all the volumes
[06:45] <crimsun> wizard_: each model doesn't necessarily have 'Master' and 'PCM' elements
[06:45] <wizard_> crimsun: i also check the gui controls
[06:45] <wizard_> still no sound
[06:47] <sparr> crimsun: can i download this or do i have to build the deb from the 3 downloadable files?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/2.1-0ubuntu1
[06:48] <crimsun> sparr: i.e., http://librarian.launchpad.net/6255222/ktorrent_2.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ?
[06:48] <sparr> crimsun: sure.  howd you get that?
[06:48] <crimsun> click the build log for the desired architecture (as stated above), then click the resulting binaries link
[06:49] <sparr> ahh, thanks
[06:49] <sparr> now i just have to walk back through the versions til i find one that works  :)
[06:50] <wizard_> crimsun: what should i do now
[06:54] <crimsun> wizard_: try model=3stack
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: i think i tried that one already but i'll do it agian. how do i test these out should i init 1 and then init 5 or what?
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: just modprobe them and see if it works?
[06:54] <concept10> anyone have a fresh install of feisty?  im wondering how many packages are installed .. (do a dpkg -l | wc -l )
[06:58] <shirish> anybody knows a nice small .torrent application like utorrent but for gnome or gtk+ ?
[06:58] <wizard_> crimsun: nope sir
[07:00] <RAOF> !deluge-torrent | shirish
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deluge-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <RAOF> Bah, silly me.  Anyway, you might be after deluge shirish :)
[07:00] <shirish> !info deluge
[07:00] <ubotu> Package deluge does not exist in feisty
[07:01] <RAOF> !info deluge-torrent
[07:01] <ubotu> deluge-torrent: A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-2 (feisty), package size 1487 kB, installed size 3900 kB
[07:01] <shirish> ok thanx will try
[07:01] <wizard_> crimsun: so which one should we try next?
[07:02] <crimsun> wizard_: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:03] <[Cade] > shirish, in case you were wondering, uTorrent works _perfectly_ in wine
[07:04] <[Cade] > in fact, uTorrent over wine is considered supported by uTorrent =)
[07:04] <shirish> cade: that would just bloat my environment, as it is right now it is hovering around 60% both in mem as well as cpu
[07:05] <intengu> any idea on totem not showing picture when using desktop effects (video plays)
[07:07] <wizard_> crimsun: no sound
[07:09] <crimsun> wizard_: how about from a cold boot?
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: let me try
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: should i of been doing that on them all?
[07:09] <crimsun> wizard_: no, shouldn't have been necessary. This is an ASUS, correct?
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: yup
[07:10] <RAOF> intengu: Yes, that's a known problem.
[07:10] <wizard_> crimsun: here i go
[07:11] <unikuser> while bootup, feisty is taking login ridiculously time at "Configuring network interfaces". is this intended change? it used to boot fast in edgy
[07:11] <RAOF> intengu: You can work around it by changing the video output mode that totem uses.
[07:11] <intengu> RAOF: how do I do that
[07:12] <RAOF> intengu: It depends on what version of totem you're using.  Are you using totem-gstreamer (the default) or totem-xine?
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: :-( nope
[07:13] <intengu> RAOF: Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.12 and GNOME
[07:13] <RAOF> Excellent.
[07:13] <crimsun> wizard_: are you _sure_ you don't have gnome's software mixer muted or something?
[07:13] <crimsun> are the speakers/headphones connected snugly?
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: positive im looking right at it
[07:13] <xtknight> anyone else have firefox crash after applying a new theme?
[07:13] <xtknight> (has happened on every distro i've tried)
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: pcm and master are both at max
[07:14] <wizard_> with no mute icon
[07:14] <xtknight> well every version of ubuntu at least
[07:14] <RAOF> So, you want to run "gstreamer-properties"
[07:15] <RAOF> intengu: Then, you want to change the "Default Output" for video.
[07:15] <crimsun> wizard_: does -13.21 work?
[07:15] <wizard_> -13.21?
[07:16] <intengu> RAOF: change "Default Output" to what?
[07:16] <crimsun> the previous kernel
[07:16] <wizard_> crimsun: not sure
[07:16] <wizard_> the last i had was 11 i think
[07:19] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[07:20] <wizard_> crimsun: we've tried just about everything eh?
[07:20] <crimsun> wizard_: not nearly, I'm just very busy (and very tired)
[07:21] <wizard_> crimsun: oh
[07:21] <crimsun> wizard_: please try -13.21 and tell me if it works
[07:21] <wizard_> crimsun: is there a way for me to install it because i went straight from edgy to feisty
[07:22] <RAOF> intengu: Try all the options, (at least) one should work
[07:22] <crimsun> wizard_: you can find the older version in the archive
[07:23] <wizard_> crimsun: okay. i am also tired so i may follow up some more on it tomorrow too
[07:23] <intengu> RAOF: working changed it to X Windows System (No XV), thanks
[07:23] <wizard_> crimsun: at this current moment i am highly saddened by -14, tis been problematic for me :-(
[07:23] <RAOF> intengu: If that's too slow, you can also try installing the gstreamer0.10-gl package, which contains a "glimagesink" element you can use with the "custom" option.
[07:24] <RAOF> That can be faster, but is also more buggy.
[07:25] <wizard_> crimsun: thank you so much for your efforts
[07:25] <wizard_> can we try more tomorrow when you've been rested?
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Could someone visit http://www.specialized.com/ and report whether it works?
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard_: sure
[07:26] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: In what way "works"?
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Can view any products at all.
[07:26] <wizard_> crimsun: thanks... im just gonna go sit on windows and play some video games
[07:26] <wizard_> crimsun: for a laptop i sure can push out some good gaming :-)
[07:27] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Yup, works for me (Epiphany).
[07:27] <RAOF> Except for the big white square where there should probably be some flash on the homepage
[07:27] <wizard_> crimsun: one last thing tho. i heard this error was specific with this particular release of the kernel. so far true?
[07:27] <DanaG> Works for me in Firefox, even with Adblock Plus.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Hmm
[07:28] <intengu> has anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)
[07:28] <crimsun> wizard_: it hasn't been brought to my attention if it is specific to -14.22
[07:28] <wizard_> crimsun: whats weird is that it worked on -11
[07:29] <wizard_> crimsun: virtually everything out of the box
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> RAOF, DanaG: I'm getting a black screen called "Choose Region & Language", that just has "Specialized" and "Specialized Partners" on it
[07:31] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:31] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: I got that first, but I just selected a region, and it worked.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I don't have the listing of regions for some reason
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> Can you give me a direct link to within a region?
[07:33] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Any region in particular?
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Something in English ;)  USA.
[07:33] <RAOF> http://www.specialized.com/bc/home.jsp?a=b&minisite=10029
[07:33] <xtknight> tonyy: it loads for me
[07:33] <xtknight> its flash tho
[07:33] <xtknight> firefox here
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Man, I can't see anything with that even - this worked earlier, my flash must have buggered
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Might be time for a reboot (Feisty doesn't like 10-day uptimes)
[07:34] <intengu> tonyyrusso: works for me
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> 'k, brb
[07:36] <intengu> Any idea - has anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)
[07:37] <RAOF> intengu: I've seen a thread on ubuntuforums about it, but I haven't tried it.
[07:38] <intengu> RAOF: ;))
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Still isn't working here.  You're on latest updates I assume?
[07:44] <RAOF> Yup, as of a couple of hours ago.
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> funky
[07:46] <DanaG> advice: don
[07:46] <DanaG> don';t cat /dev/watchdog
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> what is it?
[07:47] <shirish> does anybody know if apport has a log now or not?
[07:47] <xtknight> DanaG, that just makes me want to
[07:47] <xtknight> hard to resist lessing /dev/watchdog
[07:47] <DanaG> It does nothing, for a while...... then it suddenly reboots.
[07:48] <DanaG> At least, it did for me.
[07:48] <xtknight> lol that's not good
[07:48] <xtknight> cat: /dev/watchdog: Permission denied
[07:48] <DanaG> you'd have to sudo it
[07:48] <xtknight> sudo cat: /dev/watchdog: Invalid argument
[07:48] <DanaG> wait a bit...
[07:48] <xtknight> lol
[07:48] <xtknight> *trembling in fear*
[07:48] <DanaG> Or maybe it was /dev/snapshot that did it.
[07:48] <DanaG> Beats me.
[07:49] <DanaG> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer
[07:50] <shirish> guys any idea how I can upload a 7 mb crash file to launchpad?
[07:52] <RAOF> shirish: I've uploaded a 50Mb crashfile to launchpad.  I just let apport do it :)
[07:53] <shirish> RAOF: I tried doing that, I went to have shower thinking apport will do it, but apparently it did not do it or did it, I have no idea, when I came back there is no sign if it did or not.
[07:53] <xtknight_> curiosity killed the cat
[07:54] <RAOF> shirish: Oh.  Well, you can also just attach the .crash file (in /var/crash) to your bug, although that's less easy for the devs to use.
[07:55] <shirish> I know, I tried also looking for an emaile-dbg but there is no emaile-dbg file there
[07:55] <shirish> !info emaile
[07:55] <ubotu> Package emaile does not exist in feisty
[07:55] <shirish> sorry that should read as exaile
[07:55] <shirish> !info exaile
[07:55] <ubotu> exaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[07:56] <budluva> has anyone successfully gotten their broadcom wireless to work in feisty?
[07:56] <budluva> i have a broadcom BCM4318 airforce one rev 02 card in my laptop
[07:57] <DanaG> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer
[07:57] <shirish> RAOF: I cannot do the .crash file as even FF does not have a good uploading thing, I hate running bandwidth
[07:57] <DanaG> exail has one thing entirely missing:
[07:57] <DanaG> by-folder organization.
[07:58] <xtknight> only one place i see "cat /dev/watchdog"
[07:58] <xtknight> scary
[07:58] <xtknight> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22cat+%2Fdev%2Fwatchdog%22&btnG=Search
[07:58] <RAOF> shirish: You can get the dbgsym debs from the debugging page.  I'll just hunt it down.
[07:58] <shirish> DanaG: that is a feature bug
[07:58] <RAOF> shirish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[07:59] <xtknight> Multiple processes may be individually registered with the watchdog, each providing its own
[07:59] <xtknight> timeout time. Each process must update the watchdog within its own timeout interval or the
[07:59] <xtknight> system will reset.
[07:59] <xtknight> ahhh
[07:59] <shirish> RAOF: thanx
[08:03] <shirish> RAOF: I might need your services once the database is updated
[08:03] <RAOF> shirish: Well, I'll be off soon, sorry.
[08:04] <ryan8403> so is there anyway to dump/clear the cached memory
[08:04] <shirish> ok cool, there is some documentation on the wiki, so will try that
[08:04] <RAOF> ryan8403: Why would you want to?
[08:05] <ryan8403> well...right now I have 2 of 3 gigs taken up by cache
[08:05] <xtknight> ryan8403, adjust vm.swappiness
[08:06] <ryan8403> ah..ok..thanks
[08:09] <eshaase> i'm trying to setup my ati drivers on a ubuntu feisty installation and i get the following in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [drm]  failed to load kernel module "fglrx"... any ideas?
[08:18] <eshaase> how can i get more information regarding the "FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx" error message i get when i try to do a 'sudo modprobe fglrx'?
[08:19] <shirish> RAOF: are u still here?
[08:23] <shirish> anybody knows anything about de-bugging a crash around here?
[08:23] <dystopianray> shirish: what crash?
[08:24] <shirish> dystopianray: I have a crash file which I want to debug so I can send the smaller files which they can have a look at, know anything about how I can do that?
[08:25] <shirish> dystopianray: I have installed the associated dbgsym file needed for it
[08:25] <shirish> dystopianray: needed for the package
[08:26] <dystopianray> shirish: oh, well that would depend on the specific application that crashed i guess, i don't think i can be much help
[08:26] <shirish> ok cool
[08:30] <budluva> anyone here with broadcom 4318 wireless working?
[08:30] <budluva> i tried bcm43xx-fwcutter and let it install the firmware for me, but its freakin slow, like less than 1k/sec
[08:31] <budluva> Fetched 32.9kB in 1m30s (363B/s) thats from archive.ubuntu.com, which i just sucked 1150k/sec from it updating, so its not my connection
[08:57] <CarinArr> my adept_updater keeps sayig "There's a new kubuntu available, click next to upgrade", but the next button is greyed out!
[08:58] <CarinArr> just a glitch in adept and there isn't actually a new one? or a bug in that i can't click next?
[08:59] <icecruncher> probably a bug
[08:59] <icecruncher> my updater has a glitch as well
[08:59] <icecruncher> not same tough
[09:03] <CarinArr> what's yours?;)
[09:06] <loktai> Hi there... I'm using the Feisty Beta on an AMD64 machine, and was wondering if anyone had successfully installed Gyachi on such a setup
[09:08] <Hidan> herd 6?
[09:08] <loktai> I'd assume that's the 6th beta version?
[09:08] <loktai> Just a guess offhand
[09:09] <Hidan> oh my bloody gods... i think i posted in the wrong section of the launchpad.
[09:10] <Hidan> Eeeks!!!!
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Hidan: you can fix it
[09:10] <Hidan> how can i fix it?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> what'd you do?
[09:10] <Hidan> oh i posted in linux-source-2.6.20
[09:11] <Hidan> both my bug reports...
[09:11] <Lynoure> What's the deal with this "New version of Kubuntu is available, press next if you want to upgrade" and no next?
[09:11] <Lynoure> oh, CarinArr just asked that :)
[09:11] <Hidan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~yuri-qala -__-;; no way ><;;
[09:12] <poningru> buuh?
[09:12] <CarinArr> heh nice to know it's not just me
[09:12] <CarinArr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/103607
[09:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:12] <Hidan> how do i inform the developers, then?
[09:12] <Hidan> They really need to allow the user to move their bug reports to the correct section.
[09:12] <Lynoure> CarinArr: my first reaction was that it was April's fools thing that kept on giving...
[09:12] <CarinArr> lol
[09:13] <CarinArr> yeah it's done it for quite a few days but it's getting annoyingly taunting;)
[09:13] <Hidan> So, erm, hobbsee : any  suggestions?
[09:13] <poningru> CarinArr: you can just go to terminal and do an 'apt-get update' and then an 'apt-get distupgrade'
[09:13] <poningru> Hobbsee: correct me if I'm wrong
[09:15] <Hobbsee> CarinArr: that on feisty or edgy?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Hidan: so they're both under linux-source-2.6.20 and the later one is supposed to be in cupsys?
[09:16] <Lynoure> poningru: does not help with mine: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: that on feisty or edgy?
[09:16] <poningru> Lynoure: did you do a apt-get update?
[09:16] <poningru> Hobbsee: its ubuntu+1 I assumed its feisty
[09:16] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: feisty, would not be here otherwise
[09:16] <Hidan> well... Hobbsee :yes, both of them are under linux-source-2.6.20 . However, the later one, I'm not sure if it's in cupsys 'cos it could be likely a Feisty issue.
[09:17] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I get that announcement in feisty, too.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: right.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: what does it ask you if you want to update to?  feisty?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: plenty of people still try to get edgy support in here
[09:18] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: it's adept saying "New version of Kubuntu is available, Click next if you want..." and no next.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Hidan: that's still in the cupsys package.  click on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103594 - the linux-source-2.6.20
[09:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 103594 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cupsd errors when booting up into Ubuntu and when running Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: right.  weird
[09:18] <Lynoure> To me the whole notice is weird, I'm supposed to be in the new kubuntu :)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:19] <shirish> guys anybody has any idea how I can upload a 7mb crash file to launchpad
[09:19] <Hidan> hobbsee:  All right!!! Phew...
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Hidan: :D
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Hidan: it's not very clear, i'm afraid.  but you can change most, if nto all, of your bug report
[09:20] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yeah, I was like "uh oh then it may cause the developers more trouble and the problem might not be fixed/missed."
[09:20] <Hobbsee> nah
[09:20] <Hobbsee> you can fix it :)
[09:20] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yeah, I just discovered it just now... how to edit it lol
[09:20] <shirish> I have tried going through apport, it looks like it is going for a while then quits
[09:20] <shirish> then using firefox is also cumbersome, as there is no idea how much time is it going to take to get it uploaded
[09:21] <Hobbsee> shirish: the same way you file bugs and upload anything else?
[09:21] <Amaranth> Lynoure, Hobbsee: adept and update-notifier will offer a 'distribution upgrade' when a dist-upgrade is required to get up-to-date
[09:21] <Lynoure> Amaranth: see above, 0 to be upgraded
[09:21] <Amaranth> in that case I blame KDE ;)
[09:22] <Hidan> hobbsee: hmmm... i tried changing from linux-source 2.6.20 to feisty... however, it can't find it?
[09:22] <Lynoure> Amaranth: so it more action is needed to get it done, detailed instructions would be great.
[09:22] <Hidan> *it can't find feisty bugs ?
[09:22] <Amaranth> Lynoure: it's a bug
[09:22] <Amaranth> if you have nothing to upgrade it shouldn't offer to upgrade
[09:22] <budluva> anyone here aware of a lightweight iso burner?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no.  needs to be the package that's the problem, ie, cupsys
[09:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: usually I use rapidshare to upload stuff when I want to and it has a progress bar which tells you how much has been uploaded
[09:22] <budluva> or a lightweight frontend to growisofs?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Hidan: feisty is not a package - it's a release
[09:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: ahh
[09:22] <Lynoure> Amaranth: even if it offers to upgrade, and can upgrade, it should have a next...
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: you want to make DVDs?
[09:23] <budluva> i usually use k3b but dont want to download all those pesky kde libs
[09:23] <shirish> !info Malone
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: otherwise nautilus is a nice frontend to growisofs
[09:23] <budluva> Amaranth: yeah, i have a dvd .iso, just need to burn it
[09:23] <Lynoure> Amaranth: What should I report it against, if not Adept?
[09:23] <ubotu> Package malone does not exist in feisty
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: on, just right click on it
[09:23] <shirish> !Malone
[09:23] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[09:23] <Hidan> hobbsee: oh darn it... then, how do i move it from Package to release? LOL
[09:23] <Amaranth> Lynoure: adept is right
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Hidan: you dont.  that's nto the way launchpad works.  it goes by source packages, nto releases.
[09:23] <Amaranth> !adept-notifier
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-notifier - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <Amaranth> !adept-notifier feisty
[09:24] <Amaranth> !info adept-notifier feisty
[09:24] <ubotu> adept-notifier: system tray notifier of available system updates. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu21 (feisty), package size 266 kB, installed size 768 kB
[09:24] <Amaranth> dang Seveas broke that :)
[09:24] <Amaranth> Lynoure: unless adept-notifier has it's own source package
[09:24] <budluva> Amaranth: hahaha, DOH!
[09:24] <budluva> Amaranth: thanks
[09:24] <Hidan> hobbsee: wait, then i'm getting confused...  see, there's this section on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs
[09:24] <Amaranth> budluva: GNOME is great like that :D
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Hidan: yeah.  it's not used.
[09:25] <Hidan> hobbsee: so, i... just leave it as it is, under linux-source 2.6.20 ?
[09:25] <Amaranth> sometimes it is but rarely
[09:25] <Amaranth> because we don't fix bugs for old releases so they'd get lost in there
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no, change the l-s-2.6.20 to cupsys
[09:25] <budluva> Amaranth: how can i tail that, will that show me write speed's or errors?
[09:26] <Hidan> hobbsee: well, i changed the later one to cupsys already. I'm actually talking about the "resume from disk failed" bug report. =P
[09:26] <shirish> Hobbsee: which package should I file a bug under if I want to see some functionality added to launchpad?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Hidan: that feisty link is only used in special circumstances which you dont need to worry about
[09:26] <Hobbsee> shirish: which section of launchpad?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Hidan: right.  what would that be under?
[09:26] <budluva> can i tail a PID i find in ps aux?
[09:26] <shirish> Hobsee: the sending of attachment thing
[09:27] <budluva> i see /usr/bin/nautilus-cd-burner and growisofs, can i just tail the pid for growisofs?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> shirish: probably under launchpad then.  launchpad.net/products/launchpad
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: lol... also under linux-source 2.6.20
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103405
[09:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 103405 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Checking swsusp image: resume from disk failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:27] <Amaranth> budluva: it'll show you errors
[09:27] <budluva> no write speed though eh
[09:27] <Amaranth> budluva: and time remaining, don't think it shows speed
[09:27] <Amaranth> speed isn't important
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: do i mark it as a bug under "Distribution" ?
[09:27] <budluva> less than 9 mins, i can wait :P
[09:27] <Amaranth> time until it's done is
[09:28] <Amaranth> Hidan: you don't, unless you want it to be lost and never get fixed
[09:28] <budluva> Amaranth: you familiar with tovid?
[09:28] <Amaranth> budluva: nope
[09:28] <budluva> bah
[09:28] <Hidan> amaranth: right, so it stays the way it is? Okay lol.
[09:28] <Lynoure> Gah, new launchpad scaled up my hackergotchi :(
[09:29] <budluva> i was in the middle of making a dvd and ran out of space, but it encoded all the video files, it was just authoring menu and stuff, wondering how i can re-author without re-encodign
[09:29] <Amaranth> i use devede
[09:30] <Amaranth> it doesn't do menus though
[09:30] <budluva> next question, anyone aware of any tools that will show me my disk transfer speeds?
[09:30] <poningru> hdparm
[09:30] <budluva> i want to see disk performance while xfer'ing files from my 200gig hda to my 500gig hdb
[09:30] <arejay> IS there anyone to set the max speed at which apt-get downloads files?
[09:30] <poningru> specifically hdparm -t or hdparm -T
[09:30] <poningru> read the man pages
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no, you dont need to
[09:30] <budluva> thanks poningru
[09:31] <Hidan> hobbsee: okay oh lol... i just remembered that only feisty uses linux source 2.6.20 so the devs will know, anyway. =p
[09:31] <Hidan> i only hope i gave them enough information.
[09:32] <arejay> apt-get and update-manager always stall with my ipw2200 + wpa2 and i have to ctl+c and keep doing this over and over to download packages
[09:32] <arejay> any ideas?
[09:33] <CarinArr> other downloads don't stall?
[09:33] <arejay> not in firefox etc, no.
[09:34] <arejay> [33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN 00000000003c received PN 000000000039
[09:34] <arejay> [33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN 00000000003d received PN 00000000003a
[09:34] <arejay> shows up in dmesg
[09:34] <arejay> :/
[09:34] <arejay> did some googleing and well.. not much to say
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: metoo.
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> I have lot of them too
[09:35] <arejay> Lynoure, does apt-get stall for you?
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: or almost, on WPA1, tkip replay.
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: no.
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> speed maxes out at about 110KB/s, and NFS is unusable
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> I have ipw3945 + wrt54gl
[09:36] <Lynoure> arejay: but if you have a lot of outages from that, of course it will stall for you.
[09:36] <CarinArr> you'd think his other downloads would stall similarly though
[09:36] <arejay> arejay, i don't have any problems surfing or downloading with bittorrent only apt-get and wget ..
[09:36] <arejay> I wanna see if apt-get allows you to specify a max-speed for downloads so i can cap it and see if that works.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Hidan: if not, they'll reply back
[09:37] <arejay> mm, didn't mean to answer my self
[09:37] <CarinArr> arejay: bittorrents normally have quite a high tolerance for loss of communication though as it can just try connecting to another peer
[09:37] <CarinArr> and browsing is relatively light
[09:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: I hope u hang around, I am filing a bug which I would like u to take a look at
[09:38] <arejay> CarinArr, ah, syn/ack!
[09:38] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah, I hope so. :)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Hidan: may be too late to fix for feisty, though
[09:39] <shirish> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/103611
[09:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:40] <Hobbsee> shirish: looks fine to me
[09:40] <Hidan> hobbsee: Uh oh. But there're like a few hundred more bugs in launchpad. Doesn't that mean plenty of users'll be facing problems when feisty is released?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Hidan: try a few *thousand*
[09:40] <Hobbsee> and no software is free of bugs
[09:41] <arejay> hehe
[09:41] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah. it's true no software is free of bugs. however, some of these look very critical.
[09:41] <arejay> ah, looks like apt-get uses curl to download
[09:43] <Hobbsee> if you want to get involved into bug triaging, or fixing, you're welcome - the bugsquad always needs help
[09:43] <shirish> Hobbsee: can u also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgsel/+bug/99303 he needs info. but I do not understand his last part of thing
[09:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 99303 in pkgsel "goes from 24% to 80% & then fails at select & install software" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[09:44] <shirish> quote but it seems unlikely that largefile could be involved unless you're running close to the edge of disk space requirements
[09:44] <Hidan> hobbsee: uhhh bug fixing?! no thank you. I don't know any programming. What's triaging, though?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: means he doesnt know what the problem is, but doesnt think it's largefile.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Hidan: see the links at:
[09:45] <Hobbsee> [17:45]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY | HAPPY HUG DAY".
[09:46] <shirish> ok anyway would be doing a complete re-install on RC day or the day after that, and see what happens
[09:46] <Hobbsee> shirish: if you cant reproduce it, just close it
[09:47] <Hidan> hobbsee: okay, dokie.... however, i've only reported 2 bugs so far.  Also, must it be necessary to clone all bugs? After all, some of them are a "one-time" affair but have occurred for others.
[09:48] <shirish> Hobbsee: I can reproduce it, I have reproduced it atleast 10 times with the beta alternate CD, the thing is there is nothing in /var/log/syslog it is 0 bytes when I save it
[09:49] <Hobbsee> shirish: then say that on the bug report, and ask if there are other logs that will give useful info
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Hidan: well, if someone else can confirm it, then fine.  otherwise it just sits in the list of unconfirmed bugs
[09:50] <Hidan> Hobbsee: ooh, I see... however, if a bug keeps occurring, does this mean it's already been reproduced?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Hidan: not necessarily
[09:50] <CarinArr> Lynoure: don't know if you noticed it but i filed a bug for adept-updater: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/103607 if you want to confirm it
[09:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:51] <shirish> Hidan: it simply means how it happens for you. reproducing means it should be reproducible at the developers end also or many people
[09:51] <shirish> Hidan: right now, for e.g. the hwdb-client is not working for many people hence it is a confirmed bug, sort of
[09:52] <Hidan> shirish: oh yeah... well, it's kinda sad 'cos there're plenty of users with cupsys problems in the Feisty forums. yet no one's coming to report them!!!
[09:52] <Hidan> *cupsd
[09:53] <Hidan> and same for so many other bugs
[09:53] <shirish> Hidan: try going to System > Preferences > Hardware information & see the ubuntu database at the end, do the questionaire & see if your data gets uploaded
[09:53] <Suurorca> I suppose it's a bit difficult to get regular users do bug reports
[09:54] <Hidan> shirish: oh you mean the "device database" test? I already did it.
[09:54] <shirish> Suurorca: on the contrary it is easy, we just need good tools which are able to do it. Right now neither apport is stable or feature complete nor hwdb-client which would give bug triagers/developers easy way to do it.
[09:54] <shirish> Hidan: was it successful for you?
[09:55] <Hidan> shirish: yeah, but I did it again. Only this time round, I included my email address.
[09:55] <Suurorca> shirish, not neccesarily... a lot of users just shrug them of as an anoyance ;/
[09:56] <shirish> Does anybody know the 3 finger salute like CTRL+ALT+DELETE for Ubuntu
[09:56] <shirish> Hidan: that was successful then?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> cupsys is a black art...
[09:57] <Hobbsee> it's got far too many bugs.
[09:57] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah, it's successful. bah i gotta restart into WinXP. since someone wants me to print something... ugh, WinXP... with even more troubles than ubuntu.
[09:57] <poningru> is it wrong that ubuntu+1 is getting more traffic than #ubuntu?
[09:57] <poningru> ;)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> poningru: nope :P
[09:57] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yup, can see from all the complaints in the forums.
[09:57] <shirish> Suurorca: not me as I understand more I give info. more better drivers as well as pressure on manufacturers to open their hardware/software
[09:57] <Hobbsee> poningru: but ubuntu does seem to be quieter than usual...'
[09:57] <poningru> yeah...
[09:57] <poningru> something's a foot
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Hidan: i dont read the forums.  they're not a terribly effective use of time
[09:58] <Suurorca> shirish, you count yourself as a regular user? :o
[09:58] <shirish> well sort of, I play music, do little bit of IMing,  do little bit of torrenting, file a few bugs here & there thats about it
[09:58] <Hidan> Hobbsee : oh really? :P  Yeah, irc and msn/icq/etc. is still a lot better. You get to troubleshoot within a few mins instead of waiting for hours. :p
[09:59] <shirish> play means hearing music although do djembe once in a while also
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Hidan: heh.  yeah, well.  irc is a big distraction too, but i find that the forums have no way of saying "this is fixed" and people dont search first
[09:59] <Suurorca> I sure see you talk a lot about different bugs... definitely shows interest in the OS =p
[09:59] <Hobbsee> so most of the info, from a developer perspective, is hard to get at
[09:59] <Hobbsee> + they tend to run unofficial repos, which taints the system
[09:59] <Hobbsee> ie, we cant fix what we dont have access too.  simple fact, but still some people dont get it.
[09:59] <Hidan> hobbsee: or even if you search, you can't always find the information 'cos there're like many different phrases for the same problem.
[09:59] <Suurorca> maybe it's just healthy community activity, but I'd still see it as a pretty rare ;/
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Hidan: true
[10:02] <Hobbsee> sudo: /usr/sbin/pbuilder: command not found
[10:02] <Hidan> hobbsee: bah it's time for me to get into WinXP. I'll miss Ubuntu, even if it's just for a few minutes. :p
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Hidan: awww
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ah, there we go.  pbuilder updating
[10:03] <Hidan> hobbsee: yep, need to print something. I wish there was something else than cupsys but oh well.
[10:05] <shirish> Hidan: I also have issues with cupsys for e.g. this is on the distros, never really have been able to use the http://localhost:631 really
[10:05] <arejay>  i have cups + samba issues as well
[10:06] <arejay> E [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  No ticket cache found for userid=1000
[10:06] <arejay> E [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  Can not get the ticket cache for rj
[10:06] <arejay> no print :(
[10:06] <shirish> I have been banging my head with this on dapper, on feisty I have not tried this, on dapper even though with the user added to lpadmin any change requires a username & password & given the username & password brings it back again.
[10:06] <Hidan> Hidan: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.
[10:06] <Hidan> oops
[10:07] <Hidan> Hobbsee: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.
[10:07] <shirish> then there is no gutenprint driver for my printer, I saw an .rpm driver from avasys which supposedly works
[10:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:07] <arejay> lol
[10:07] <Hidan> dying? yeowch!
[10:08] <shirish> Hidan: if you have cupsys installed just go to the browser, in destination type http://localhost:631
[10:08] <Hidan> anyways i really need to boot into WinXP now. be back in a bit. =)
[10:08] <Hidan> ooh kay i see, thanks for the tip, shirish.
[10:09] <shirish> Hidan: welcome, that is just the tip of the iceberg though
[10:09] <Hidan> shirish: still, i've disabled Printer services for now, though...
[10:09] <Hidan> Shirish: otherwise, i'd be adding into the amount of troubles i'll get in Feisty.
[10:09] <shirish> Hidan: completely understandable
[10:09] <Hidan> okay dokie... time for me to run, folks!
[10:10] <Hidan> Take care and thank you for the help . :)
[10:11] <shirish> not many women into derivative from xp
[10:12] <shirish> guys gotta run, sweet smelling lunch calls, bbl
[10:12] <Hobbsee> nto many women into tech at all.  but we exist
[10:12] <hylje> hence no girls on the internet
[10:12] <shirish> yup, that is truly sad
[10:12] <icecruncher> sob
[10:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 103476 in basket "[can-not-install]  file overwrite error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103476
[10:15] <Lynoure> CarinArr: there was another bug already on it...
[10:16] <Lynoure> CarinArr: maybe you can help me with one of my bugs, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/93081
[10:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 93081 in kdebase "konqueror does not accept SSL certificates "forever"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:17] <arejay> she runs fbsd tho :/
[10:17] <arejay> they *do* exist :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:18] <Lynoure> a lot of wowing to be had for a person that wows at every she on irc.
[10:19] <Lynoure> argh, I'm having trouble getting landscape oriented pdfs to print right...
[10:20] <arejay> that bug looks like a upstream issue in konqueror
[10:20] <Hobbsee> indeed.  please file it upstream.
[10:21] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I have no idea where upstream bugreporting is. Unlike Debian, Ubuntu bug tracking does not relay to upstream?
[10:21] <hylje> kde.org
[10:21] <yuriy> course we do
[10:21] <yuriy> hiya Hobbsee
[10:21] <yuriy> so who wants to save me some time and give me a PS3
[10:22] <yuriy> i won't play any games on it, i swear
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy!
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: bugs.kde.org
[10:22] <Lynoure> so that is two "no we don't" and one "yes we do" =)
[10:23] <yuriy> Lynoure: oh, not automatically if that's what you meant :-\
[10:24] <Lynoure> yuriy: no, did not mean automatically, more like for confirmed upstream bugs...
[10:24] <yuriy> Lynoure: have to do it yourself/ourselves
[10:24] <arejay> damn it, i missed seinfeld
[10:25] <Lynoure> yuriy: I hate the thought of having to register to n+1 upstream bug tracking sites, and having to guess whether something is upstream bug or not, not having that many computers to play with myself
[10:32] <CarinArr> Lynoure: i can't even get konqueror to browse anything online so i can't confirm that one i'm afraid;)
[10:33] <CarinArr> [09:17]  < arejay> they *do* exist :)
[10:33] <CarinArr> cute;)
[10:34] <CarinArr> having said that.. tech guys in our office refused to give me the root password for my own machine for months, where all the blokes were given theirs without questions
[10:36] <Hobbsee> CarinArr: that's mean.  hope you gave them hell for it.
[10:37] <arejay> CarinArr, you should of hacked it using a live-cd :)
[10:37] <CarinArr> heh
[10:38] <yuriy> can you actually do that with linux?
[10:38] <arejay> mount it r/w and replace passwd?
[10:38] <CarinArr> well after them faffing about and failing to install the drivers for my quadrofx card on suse, they grouchily let me install ubuntu though they were adamant i wouldn't be able to ask them for support ever
[10:38] <Lynoure> Well, it would if mighty nice if someone could confirm the bug reported to upstream, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143898
[10:38] <ubotu> KDE bug 143898 in general "SSL certificates are not kept "forever", just for an hour" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[10:39] <arejay> Lynoure, give me a site with a invalid SSL cert
[10:39] <CarinArr> need i add that it took me 5 minutes to install the nvidia drivers properly on ubuntu;)
[10:39] <yuriy> Lynoure: don't forget to "also affects upstream" in the LP bug
[10:40] <yuriy> CarinArr: a whole 5 minutes!?
[10:40] <Lynoure> yuriy: I was told to report it directly to upstream just now, what's the point of doing anything to the LP bug anymore?
[10:40] <yuriy> :P
[10:40] <Lynoure> arejay: try https://lynoure.org
[10:40] <yuriy> Lynoure: well, there's no point in closing it.. and the option is there to track the upstream bug
[10:41] <yuriy> and there's always the chance it's actually not an upstream bug
[10:42] <Lynoure> h.
[10:42] <arejay> Lynoure, did you see the bug on google talking about kwallet crashing causing ssl certs to not be remembered?
[10:43] <Lynoure> arejay: no, I do not track google bugs... Don't even know where they are.
[10:43] <Lynoure> arejay: I haven't seen my kwallet crash so far...
[10:43] <arejay> Lynoure, i mean't searching on google
[10:44] <arejay> Lynoure, me neither, so you're saying that konq refuses to remember it past 1 hr ?
[10:44] <Lynoure> arejay: yes, it remembers it fine for the hour.
[10:45] <arejay> when i close out konq and re-open it and visit the same site, i'am prompted for my kwallet password and then everything goes as normal
[10:45] <arejay> I'am also useing gnome tho, not the full kde environment
[10:49] <Robokop> i can't boot anymore after update of yesterday
[10:50] <Robokop> it can't find my partitions in /dev anymore
[10:50] <yuriy> Robokop: what kernel?
[10:51] <Robokop> 2.6.20-13
[10:52] <yuriy> have tha problem too on my desktop :-\
[10:52] <arejay> gee. my laptop is running @ 175F
[10:53] <yuriy> note to self: tab != z
[10:54] <Robokop> is there a way to make my system bootable again without having to reinstal?
[10:54] <yuriy> Robokop: have you tried booting an older kernel?
[10:54] <Robokop> gave the same error
[10:55] <arejay> eek! i hope you did'nt lose your fs :(
[10:55] <arejay> Robokop, have you tried booting from a live-cd and re-installing grub
[10:56] <Robokop> didn't lose my fs because i can mount it under windows with the ext2ifs driver
[10:57] <arejay> Robokop, boot live-cd, sudo to root, run grub, type find /boot/grub/stage2
[10:57] <arejay> then type setup (whatever grub spits out after running the find command)
[10:57] <arejay> and then type root (hd0) or what not
[10:57] <arejay> (might wanna do a little more research on re-installing grub from live-cd)
[10:58] <Robokop> grub still can find everything so hd(0,5) is good, but /dev/hdc6 isn't found
[11:02] <HerrWeltschaft> hi
[11:04] <HerrWeltschaft> what does "grub error 16" mean?
[11:04] <rambo3> look it up
[11:04] <gnomefreak> !grub | HerrWeltschaft
[11:04] <ubotu> HerrWeltschaft: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:04] <gnomefreak> HerrWeltschaft: one of the above links has that info or faster to use google for grub error 16
[11:05] <rambo3> i looked it up you have syntax error in menu.lst
[11:05] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, me?
[11:05] <Matte30> hello
[11:05] <rambo3> yeah
[11:06] <HerrWeltschaft> gnomefreak, i googled, but i didnt find anything. but i will try your links
[11:06] <Matte30> i'm trying to install Feisty on my laptop, but X goes on a blank screen
[11:07] <Matte30> it's the first time i try ubuntu (i've been a gentoo user)
[11:07] <Matte30> is there any way to install it in text mode?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> Matte30: grab the alternate cd
[11:07] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3 the problem is: i tried booting with ubuntu-cd, but i cant mount the partition to check the menu.lst. i get this error: wrong fs type, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error
[11:08] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, do you ge grub menu ? press esc of not
[11:08] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok .check sudo  fdisk -l
[11:09] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, what?? if i get the grub menu at startup?
[11:09] <rambo3> before mounting
[11:09] <foxiness> did spell_check remove_it from ubuntu ? intellegint one "sorry if there a miss spell and you know why :)"
[11:09] <Matte30> ok i'll try that one
[11:09] <Matte30> thank you vm
[11:10] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, yes do you get grub menu
[11:10] <foxiness> spell!
[11:10] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, no - when it should appear, he just sais: "error 16"
[11:10] <foxiness> spelling!
[11:10] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok biit live CD
[11:10] <rambo3> boot
[11:11] <HerrWeltschaft> i did....wait a second - i try it with "sudo fdisk -l"
[11:11] <HerrWeltschaft> im back in minute.....
[11:14] <HerrWeltschaft> ok, i did - and it seems to be all right my hardware. but i still cant mount it
[11:14] <HerrWeltschaft> foxiness, u mean me with "spelling"?
[11:14] <Robokop> my /dev seems to be broken
[11:15] <Robokop> grub works but can't find /dev/hdc6
[11:15] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, recover partition
[11:15] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3 ? how?
[11:16] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, fsck.ext3 /dev/XXX
[11:16] <rambo3> if you lost superblock find it with:  mke2fs -n
[11:16] <rambo3> one of those should do
[11:17] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, ok ty - i go try it. one minute pls...
[11:18] <rambo3> mke2fs -n /deb/XXX that is
[11:19] <Robokop> is there a way to fix my /dev?
[11:19] <rambo3> MKDEV
[11:19] <rambo3> Robokop, whats the problem
[11:20] <Robokop> well my system won't boot anymore
[11:20] <rambo3> man MAKEDEV
[11:20] <Robokop> grub works fine
[11:20] <rambo3> whats the error ?
[11:20] <Robokop> VFS error /dev/hdc6 not found
[11:21] <rambo3> was it remaped ?
[11:22] <Robokop> no because it is still (hd0,5) in grub
[11:23] <rambo3> Robokop, try chainging UUID line with root=/dev/hda6
[11:23] <Robokop> rambo3: already done that
[11:23] <rambo3> 0,5 should be hda
[11:23] <rambo3> not hdc
[11:24] <Robokop> rambo3: has always been hdc i can try to check for hda
[11:24] <Robokop> will return here after reboot
[11:25] <Hidan> Hobbsee: back but man... there's absolutely one thing i'll miss from WinXP: stability. No crashes and problems running programs. :/ Looks like Ubuntu has a lot to catch up if it wants to stop behaving like Win98 (for many at least).
[11:27] <rambo3> !beta
[11:27] <ubotu> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.
[11:29] <Robokop> rambo3: didn't work
[11:30] <Robokop> same vfs error
[11:32] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, it worked - i had many messages with "broken inodes" or something...and i fixed it. now i can mount it and i now try to fix grub
[11:32] <rambo3> partition is ok then when it can read grub , use live cd to find parition and vhange menu.lst
[11:33] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok ,
[11:33] <XamDM> HerrWeltschaft, if grub still fails try supergrubdisk
[11:34] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, it seems, grub totally crashed, because now he doesnt even rech grub. he reboots all the time, before he rech grub. i will try supergrub disk now
[11:35] <rambo3> that message was to Robokop .
[11:35] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, just install grub and do update-grub
[11:36] <HerrWeltschaft> with live-cd?
[11:36] <rambo3> yeah
[11:36] <HerrWeltschaft> and then with synaptic?
[11:37] <rambo3> no  you maby dont have to update-grub , its command to update menu.lst
[11:38] <HerrWeltschaft> ?
[11:39] <Zaggynl> Can I install Feisty, and keep my /home directory as it is?
[11:39] <Zaggynl> I'm running dapper now
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:39] <Hobbsee> if you tell it not ot format /home
[11:39] <Zaggynl> hmm okay
[11:40] <rambo3> Zaggynl, is it on separate partition ?
[11:40] <Zaggynl> not sure
[11:40] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, how can i install and update grub with live-cd? im on desktop with ubuntu live-cd now
[11:40] <rambo3> then it isnt
[11:40] <Zaggynl> nope, it isn;t
[11:40] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, try grub-install /dev/hda first
[11:41] <gnomefreak> HerrWeltschaft: if you read the links ubotu gave you earlier the full instructions are theree
[11:41] <rambo3> if it doesnt work then you ll have to mount it and chroot into it
[11:41] <Hidan> hobbsee: hello agian. ^___^
[11:41] <|thunder> dont use feisty on production systems ? whats that all about?
[11:41] <HerrWeltschaft> ok, i read the links
[11:41] <rambo3> Zaggynl, create new parition and move /home to it cp -a
[11:41] <Hidan> |thunder: probably means don't use on systems you're going to use for day-to-day work.
[11:42] <Zaggynl> rambo3, I'm kinda low on diskspace
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Hidan: hi
[11:42] <Hidan> |thunder: because Feisty's likely to crash or even create problems for your Windows partitions.
[11:42] <gnomefreak> |thunder: its still unstable and use it on a pc that has no important info on it or if you need pc to boot everyday dont use it
[11:42] <Zaggynl> hum
[11:42] <Zaggynl> in that case, I'll sit 'n wait until feisty is stable <:
[11:42] <Hidan> yeah well i'm using Feisty anyways.
[11:43] <|thunder> Hidan; What ?   are we talking about that one thats supposed to hit april 19 ?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> |thunder: thats feisty
[11:43] <Hidan> Hidan: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".
[11:43] <Hidan> |thunder: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".
[11:44] <Hidan> bah why do i keep talking to myself.
[11:44] <|thunder> there's always bugs in distros. thas why theres trac
[11:44] <gnomefreak> |thunder: we cant stop from doing what you want but you were warned
[11:44] <Hidan> yeah well, i hope that most of the problems will be smoothed out soon... =/
[11:45] <arejay> my feisty systems *mostly* works :)
[11:45] <|thunder> but to reccomend its just a toy and not for day to day use is like saying you dont trust linux with your data. if thats the case, then I should just stay with edgy, or go back to dapper even.
[11:45] <Hidan> arejay: same here except that today, there were 2 system freezes. I still have not figured out the cause.
[11:46] <Hidan> arejay: i'm going to try and uninstall CUPS and HP printing from my system.
[11:46] <|thunder> Hidan; are you sure it was a complete system freeze? As in frozen kernel? Do you know about magic kernel keys ?
[11:47] <Hidan> magic kernel keys? huh? well, what happened was that mouse and keyboard stopped responding. I hit caps lock key... no response either.
[11:47] <|thunder> that dont meant shit on linux
[11:47] <|thunder> 99% of the time the kernel is fine, just X crashing
[11:47] <|thunder> even if ctrl-alt-bkspasce does nothing
[11:48] <|thunder> just remember 'every uncle is boy'
[11:48] <Hidan> huh?
[11:48] <Hidan> uncle is a boy?
[11:48] <|thunder> yep
[11:48] <|thunder> EUIB
[11:48] <Hidan> what does that mean?
[11:48] <|thunder> no
[11:48] <|thunder> Every Uncle Is Boy'
[11:48] <|thunder> EUIB
[11:48] <Hidan> ... ...
[11:48] <arejay> lol
[11:48] <|thunder> thats the proper order to do the magic keys in
[11:49] <|thunder> to safely reboot
[11:49] <Hidan> ?????? oh
[11:49] <Hidan> press in that combo, huh?
[11:49] <|thunder> that order
[11:49] <Hidan> but what if linux isn't reading from the keyboard?
[11:49] <|thunder> dosnt mean the kernel isnt
[11:50] <|thunder> it just ignores most keys combos
[11:50] <|thunder> you see the print button, how udnerneath it is SysReq ?
[11:50] <Hidan> yeah i do...
[11:50] <Hidan> oh okay. however, i've indeed confirmed that previously, one of my crashes = kernel crash
[11:50] <Hidan> oops
[11:50] <|thunder> its not there for looks
[11:50] <Hidan> that's an old message, ignore it.
[11:50] <|thunder> alt-SysReq-E
[11:51] <|thunder> then be sure to release ALL KEYS
[11:51] <|thunder> then
[11:51] <|thunder> alt-SysReq-U
[11:51] <|thunder> alt-SysReq-I
[11:51] <|thunder> alt-SysReq-B
[11:51] <|thunder> that stops X, sysncs the ram buffers to disc, something else, and finally reboots
[11:51] <|thunder> thats a safe reboot when locked up
[11:52] <|thunder> but, you should first try alt-SysReq-E then ctrl-alt-F6 to try for a tty to restart X
[11:53] <|thunder> i think he tried it
[11:53] <Lucifiel> holy moly
[11:53] <Lucifiel> i tried pressing alt + sysreq + e
[11:53] <Lucifiel> and my entire system ... just
[11:54] <|thunder> that was smart
[11:54] <Lucifiel> gee then i tried hitting EUIB in that order... also no luck.
[11:54] <Lucifiel> smart?
[11:54] <|thunder> kills X with a vengence
[11:54] <Lucifiel> ,,, ...
[11:54] <Lucifiel> you you... you
[11:54] <Hidan> nooo why didn't anyone tell me that? T__T
[11:54] <Hidan> oh well now i know. =(
[11:54] <|thunder> i did
 alt-SysReq-E
 then be sure to release ALL KEYS
 then
 alt-SysReq-U
 alt-SysReq-I
 alt-SysReq-B
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 that stops X, sysncs the ram buffers to disc, something else, and finally reboots
[11:55] <Hidan> oh 'cos i pressed that
 thats a safe reboot when locked up
[11:55] <|thunder> * Hidan has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[11:55] <Hidan> before i saw the rest.
 but, you should first try alt-SysReq-E then ctrl-alt-F6 to try for a tty to restart X
[11:55] <Suurorca> hmmh, anyone got an idea as to why my hdparm.conf seems to be ignored? ;/
[11:55] <finalbeta> !paste | |thunder
[11:55] <Hidan> as in: i never saw the rest of the messages lol
[11:55] <Hidan> that was a really deserved lesson; never try out random key combos for fun. :p
[11:56] <ubotu> |thunder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:56] <Hidan> ooh so that's how you unlock the system.
[11:56] <Hidan> thank you, dude.
[11:56] <|thunder> yup
[11:56] <|thunder> hady
[11:56] <|thunder> *handy even
[11:57] <Hidan> bah it's so damn hot
[11:57] <Hidan> it's almost 6 pm and i'm burning
[11:57] <|thunder> is snowing here
[11:57] <Hidan> i think i'll go down for some ice-cream. =P
[11:57] <|thunder> its 6AM here, ha
[11:57] <Hidan> i just can't take the heat anymore.
[11:57] <Hidan> oh where're you from?
[11:57] <|thunder> USA
[11:58] <Hidan> aha... winsconin?
[11:58] <|thunder> where you from. russia ?
[11:58] <|thunder> lol
[11:58] <Hidan> singapore. =)
[11:58] <|thunder> no, michigan, next door
[11:58] <|thunder> awesome. tony jaa
[11:58] <|thunder> thats the man
[11:58] <shirish> Hidan: |thunder are u on feisty?
[11:58] <|thunder> nay
[11:58] <|thunder> edgy
[11:59] <Hidan> tony jaa? i thought that guy's from Thailand?
[11:59] <Hidan> feisty here.
[11:59] <Hidan> dapper was a nightmare for me...
[12:00] <|thunder> ohh ya, good call. i was 100% wrong. singapore. still got lots of cheap hookers?
[12:00] <gerry_> hello
[12:00] <gerry_> how to get beryl work on feisty?
[12:00] <Lynoure> arejay: Any results yet?
[12:00] <Hidan> |thunder: i wouldn't know. :P  I suspect so but , man, I'm not a lesbian. nor am I bisexual. =D
[12:00] <arejay> let me check
[12:00] <gerry_> i always get "no composite extension" messges
[12:01] <shirish> Hidan: can u test the command pidof <program> insert any program name here
[12:01] <Hidan> shirish: okay . hang on.
[12:02] <gerry_> i followed the wiki guide step by step, but for edgy not for feisty
[12:02] <shirish> Hidan: a small thing, it should be a running program
[12:02] <|thunder> Hidan; you are implying that you are a woman, or that all whore in singapore are either men or trannys?
[12:02] <gerry_> any help?
[12:02] <Hidan> |thunder: I'm female. =P
[12:02] <|thunder> rodger that
[12:03] <Hidan> shirish: pidof konversation = 5435
[12:03] <shirish> ok it works for you, it does not work for me :/
[12:03] <gerry_> **************************************************************
[12:03] <gerry_> * Beryl system compatiblity check                            *
[12:03] <gerry_> **************************************************************
[12:03] <gerry_> Detected xserver                                : AIGLX
[12:03] <gerry_> Checking Display :0.0 ...
[12:03] <gerry_> Checking for XComposite extension               : failed
[12:03] <Hidan> shirish: aww man that's not good.
[12:03] <gerry_> No composite extension
[12:04] <Hidan> ... ...
[12:04] <gerry_> not too long, i think
[12:04] <Hidan> well, that does sound like a nightmare
[12:05] <gerry_> hmm
[12:05] <Hidan> shirish: somehow, that pidof < program> doesn't work for swiftfox. i wonder why.
[12:07] <gerry_> any one familiar with beryl setup?
[12:08] <Lynoure> arejay: I'll have to go soon, but I'll notice anything addressed to me anyway, especially msged stuff :)
[12:12] <Hidan> X sorta froze again and then when it booted up again into Ubuntu, it just froze at the loading screen. #@$#@
[12:13] <Hidan> and i shouldn't have pressed alt + crtl + delete... that caused the keyboard's lights to start flashing...
[12:14] <Hidan> oh man
[12:15] <shirish> Hidan: what is the alt+ctl+delete for?
[12:15] <Hidan> shirish: well, it sorta cold reboots the system.
[12:15] <miilunpolttaja> hello. I have a problem
[12:15] <Hidan> i can't exactly remember when you use it though 'cos for me, i do it all on instinct.
[12:16] <shirish> Hidan: is there something similar to a task manager in Ubuntu?
[12:16] <Hidan> huh i think i'm going to go back into WinXP for now.
[12:16] <miil> when I click the logout-door on my panel, it takes a few minutes until the window opens
[12:16] <miil> and until it opens, the panels don't work
[12:16] <Hidan> Shirish: System ---> Administration -----> System monitor.
[12:17] <miil> what is this problem related? I don't know what to look for in the forums
[12:18] <Hidan> miil : sorry can't help you there.
[12:19] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[12:19] <gop> how do I fix it
[12:20] <miil> ok thanks anyways
[12:25] <minimec> gop: Looks that there is an error in your menu.list in /biit/grub. May the 'Super'Grub' Software (which is a boot CD to fix grub problems) may help.
[12:25] <alex__> can anyone help me with my sound card and wifi card? I'm usuing ubuntu feisty running on LG laptop
[12:26] <poningru> !sound | alex__
[12:26] <ubotu> alex__: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:26] <poningru> apart from that I cant help with sound
[12:26] <poningru> what's wrong with your wifi though
[12:26] <alex__> let's start with the sound isue. ok?
[12:27] <poningru> o..k
[12:28] <alex__> first of all I posted a bug report and I'm not realy sure on wich site. I used to get mails but have stoped recivng them, I checked my mail box but there is no mail regarding it
[12:28] <poningru> hmm that generally means there is no activity on the bug
[12:28] <pari> hello everybody, any good news regarding nvidia-glx-legacy yet? Or I'll have to wait until official release and hope it'll be fixed
[12:29] <poningru> you only get mail on a bug if someone is actively working on it
[12:29] <alex__> alsa is selceted and I used to have sound untill I downloaded songbird and played it after a major update
[12:29] <poningru> err if there is any changes on it rather
[12:29] <alex__> I recived an error "Could not establish connection to sound server"
[12:29] <alex__> and now, whenever I try to play a soundfile I get this error
[12:30] <Lucifiel> back on winxp right now... hmm
[12:31] <alex__> what is the standart webserver for bug reports?
[12:31] <poningru> alex__: launchpad.net
[12:31] <Lucifiel> you mean launchpad.net ?
[12:31] <poningru> alex__: assuming you tried a restart of the box
[12:31] <slytherin> Can anyone tell me which CD I need for Core 2 Duo? Is it i386 or x86-64?
[12:31] <alex__> about ten times
[12:32] <alex__> was it updated latily?
[12:32] <poningru> slytherin: the former
[12:32] <Hobbsee> slytherin: the latter
[12:32] <poningru> Hobart: ...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i thought...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> oh well, go with poningru
[12:32] <pari> :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> the core 2 duo's run 64 bit mode.  or can
[12:33] <slytherin> poningru: Hobbsee: which one exactly?
[12:33] <Lucifiel> slytherin: oh let me see, harry potter's huh? :P
[12:33] <poningru> buh...
[12:33] <poningru> slytherin, Hobbsee hold on let me go see
[12:33] <slytherin> Lucifiel: :-)
[12:33] <JDahl> can anyone here confirm that Trac (with Python2.5) doesn't work under Feisty?  I am having problems,  and this link (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracForPython2.5) says I need to manually install clearsilver 0.10.4,   but I'd like to hear if others have problems before I start to manually installing replacements
[12:34] <gryfindor> OH BUH
[12:34] <Prof_snape> :P
[12:34] <gryfindor> slytherin: go with what Hobbsee said
[12:34] <gryfindor> it can do x86 instructions set
[12:34] <slytherin> poningru: Ok.
[12:34] <poningru> err x86-64*
[12:34] <poningru> rather
[12:35] <alex__> gryfindo, what can I do
[12:35] <ailean> how do i do a dist-upgrade rather than using the CD?
[12:35] <poningru> !upgrade | ailean
[12:35] <ubotu> ailean: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:35] <ailean> thanks poningru
[12:35] <alex__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97023
[12:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 97023 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sound server problem with ubuntu feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:35] <poningru> alex__: yeah like I said dude I dont have much exp with sound
[12:35] <slytherin> poningru: So x86-64 is final, right?
[12:35] <poningru> slytherin: yep
[12:35] <alex__> ok
[12:35] <alex__> about the wifi
[12:36] <alex__> there is the network thingy in the system tray
[12:36] <poningru> right
[12:36] <alex__> it recognize my soundcard and network but just doesn't connect
[12:36] <poningru> wificard*
[12:37] <alex__> I can do "sudo dhclient ra0" and then all is ok
[12:37] <poningru> oh
[12:37] <poningru> hmm
[12:37] <alex__> the wificard is ralink
[12:37] <poningru> its just not getting an ip address from your router
[12:37] <alex__> I guess so
[12:37] <alex__> and also didn't work on other networks
[12:38] <alex__> I can even set it manually from the gui
[12:38] <Prof_snape> hmmm I wonder if it's recommended to reinstall X if it has problems on feisty
[12:38] <slytherin> Hidan: Don't reinstall it. Just to dpkg-reconfigure
[12:38] <Hidan> slytherin: okay i'll copy down those commands.
[12:38] <alex__> well, I got to get away for awhile, sorry be back soon
[12:38] <poningru> alex__: that is weird I would say try reinstalling network-manager
[12:39] <Hidan> slytherin: what does dpkg mean anyways?
[12:39] <poningru> k
[12:39] <slytherin> Hidan: First tell me what the problem is
[12:39] <poningru> Hidan: its a command to redetect all the X things like it did during install time
[12:40] <shirish> !info dpkg
[12:40] <ubotu> dpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.13.24ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 1901 kB, installed size 6024 kB
[12:40] <Hidan> slytherin: poningru: In Feisty, everything stops responding. I've to hit alt + magic keys (every uncle is boy) to do a reboot.
[12:40] <slytherin> Hidan: Stops responding when?
[12:41] <poningru> shirish: its dpkg-reconfigure
[12:41] <shirish> Hidan: I usually do a ctrl+alt+backspace then it takes me to new login, without rebooting
[12:41] <Hidan> slytherin: well, it happens at random. Sometimes, when i'm chatting in Kopete or downloading emails from Thunderbird.
[12:41] <shirish> poningru: that is for configuring X, I have had very bad experience with that
[12:41] <shirish> poningru: are u trying it or who is trying it?
[12:41] <Hidan> shirish: mmm, when X stops responding, pressing ctrl +alt + backspace doesn't work.
[12:42] <slytherin> Hidan: Ok the try command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (without quotes) and see if reconfiguring makes any difference.
[12:42] <shirish> Hidan: ah for X responding, sorry I thought something else, sometimes when applications stop responding then I use that
[12:42] <Hidan> slytherin: ahhh okay  i'll do that as soon as i reboot into ubuntu.
[12:43] <shirish> Hidan: what is your graphics setup? Integrated or any graphics card?
[12:43] <Hidan> shirish: no problem.
[12:43] <Hidan> shirish: power color ati 9600 pro.
[12:44] <shirish> Hidan: ok rather than doing that, perhaps you could try the -ati-modesetting driver
[12:44] <Hidan> yeah, i know about the Ati problems with ubuntu but i can't just buy another mobos+ gfx card, simply to switch an o/s.
[12:44] <Suurorca> actually ai would rather try the magic sysrq+k (kill current console) before using the reboot spell...
[12:44] <Hidan> shirish: ooh okay.
[12:44] <Suurorca> if someone forgot to mention that one
[12:45] <shirish> Hidan: I changed my driver to i810-modesetting driver & things are way better than before. I get full resolutions
[12:45] <Hidan> shirish: what's i810 - modsetting ?
[12:45] <shirish> Hidan: i810 is the name of a driver family of integrated intel chipsets
[12:46] <icecruncher> kubuntu won't recognize my usb drive, what should I do?
[12:46] <shirish> Hidan: for e.g. here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213 the bug-report for intel
[12:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[12:46] <Hidan> shirish: huh? integrated intel?! how does that work for an ati card?
[12:47] <shirish> Hidan: similarly search for your ati-modesetting drivers in bugsquad, I am guessing Timo also has drivers for you
[12:47] <Hidan> surroca: okay, yeah... the magic key is a bit better.
[12:47] <Hidan> shirish: oh phew lol
[12:48] <shirish> Hidan: they are testing these new drivers as by May end if enough people test it there should be good drivers for everybody, things are under testing
[12:50] <Hidan> shirish: hmmmm nothing for ati-modesetting
[12:50] <Hidan> google search for ati-modesetting = few results too. hmm
[12:51] <shirish> Hidan: it is just the logic of what is happening & how people are doing, what you will have to do is search in launch-pad for your drivers or write to Timo for this or even just look at things on his plate
[12:51] <shirish> Hidan: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/date.html these are the people who are working on releasing the source drivers
[12:51] <Hidan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/
[12:51] <Hidan> hmmm
[12:52] <Hidan> looks like i took a bad time to switch to ubuntu lol
[12:53] <shirish> Hidan: on the contrary you took the perfect time, this issue had been going on for the last 1 1.5 years, finally the solutions are in sight
[12:54] <Hidan> shirish: great. =p
[12:54] <Hidan> shirish: may, huh?
[12:54] <capiira> hi hi its very difficult to take the lastest kernel source and compile it by myself? I need to compile it with a special option to make my scanner work :/
[12:54] <shirish> Hidan: something like that, nothing is officially declared, but if enough testers do the thing of testing
[12:55] <slytherin> capiira: It will be better if you log bug for porting the fix to Ubuntu kernel so that others will benefit from it.
[12:55] <shirish> capiira: my take would be to file a bug & tell them to make some module for it or something
[12:55] <Hidan> but it ain't so great when most of your licenses for proprietary s/w are expiring and you need linux to work. but linux at the same time, is giving you problems.
[12:56] <capiira> they dont really care for it becuase its cause by a new kernel feature USB_SUSPEND or so
[12:56] <shirish> Hidan: till last year, intel was not giving access to open source software developers to its integrated chipset details, now there is one guy who is being paid by them to work on drivers which can work on free software
[12:57] <capiira> and kernel team don't want to disable it because they think a notebook suspend feature is more important than a working canon scanners
[12:57] <Hidan> shirish: well, what caused the change of mind?
[12:57] <NewUser> i want to md5 hash code for fiestyfawn ? there is no listed on website ? so i want to Check my ISO.. with MD5SUM .. so how can i Check without md5 hash key ?
[12:58] <shirish> Hidan: I have no idea, there have been quite a few stories on slashdot.org about this, but then its all gossip
[12:58] <Hidan> shirish: huh.
[12:58] <capiira> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/85488
[12:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:58] <shirish> NewUser: have u checked on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <shirish> Hidan: I mean the reasons behind Intel having a guy on the rolls doing work for free software even if it is just making drivers do better
[12:59] <shirish> NewUser: it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:00] <NewUser> shirish: i have fiesty download iso.
[01:00] <slytherin> NewUser: When did you download the ISO?
[01:00] <NewUser> i want to check all files fine
[01:00] <shirish> NewUser: fine, is it the beta version or what?
[01:00] <NewUser> I just completed it today
[01:00] <NewUser> yes it is beta
[01:00] <shirish> NewUser: if you want I can hunt the beta md5sum for you & give it to you
[01:01] <slytherin> NewUser: Check this file http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/MD5SUMS
[01:01] <NewUser> shirish: really thanks for that if u can.
[01:01] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah i know what you mean. Man, now let's just all hope that they aren't scheming to do something malicious to Linux. =p Haha just j/k.
[01:01] <Hidan> shirish: anyways going to reboot into ubuntu now and try that. But seriously, i hope it gets more stable. =(
[01:02] <shirish> Hidan: it will it just need people who are passionate about it , each distro. adds another useful usability layer on the top
[01:02] <slytherin> Hidan: May be your problem is with enabling 'Desktop Effects'
[01:02] <Hidan> shirish: yeah, anyways I hope that the Ubuntu team will resolve the issues I've been facing.
[01:02] <capiira> so anyone know a link to a nice site that explains how to compile a kernel and install it?
[01:03] <Hidan> slytherin: mmm desktop effects aren't enabled on Feisty for me.
[01:03] <NewUser> slytherin: well thanks for that.. i put this code in compare tab.. then compare it. then msg comes " MD5 Check Sums Are the Same. " that mean Iso image is Valid for Use?
[01:03] <slytherin> Hidan: Ok. try that reconfigure command and let us know the results.
[01:04] <billy> NewUser: yes.
[01:04] <slytherin> NewUser: Yes, and if you are in doubt then you should be able to check installation media at the time of installation also.
[01:04] <assasukasse> i want to installa dc++ client, where should i get it?
[01:04] <NewUser> slytherin: okie get it :) thanks alot
[01:04] <NewUser> billy: thanks man
[01:04] <slytherin> NewUser: I mean may be the ISo is ok but something gets borked with CD
[01:04] <Hidan> slytherin: yeah sure. be back soon. !!!!
[01:04] <NewUser> slytherin: yea u r right.. first i check the media then try to install it.
[01:04] <billy> NewUser: but do what slytherin said.  Check the CD as well.
[01:05] <NewUser> billy: sure..
[01:05] <NewUser> thnks for all.. now going to install.. will be back later.
[01:05] <billy> good luck!
[01:05] <NewUser> ty
[01:05] <shirish> ah good, he got it I got into something else
[01:08] <Lucifiel> bah mmm
[01:10] <Lucifiel> slytherin: trying out gksudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now. however, it won't proceed past the "users of powerpc" part.
[01:11] <_filippo_> !info pre-released
[01:11] <ubotu> Package pre-released does not exist in feisty
[01:11] <Lucifiel> !dpkg-reconfigure
[01:11] <shirish> Lucifiel: u are using an i386 with power-ati card no?
[01:11] <Lucifiel> shirish: yes...
[01:11] <Lucifiel> !dpkg
[01:11] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:12] <shirish> Lucifiel: then why did u choose powerpc?
[01:12] <slytherin> Lucifiel: Try using just sudo instead of gksudo
[01:13] <Lucifiel> shirish: i didn't choose powerpc. it just booted me into the part of "users of powerpc machine and users of any computer..."
[01:13] <Lucifiel> slytherin: yeah, i used sudo.
[01:13] <shirish> Lucifiel: that is surely strange then
[01:14] <Lucifiel>                                                                            
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   Users of PowerPC machines, and users of any computer with multiple video  
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   devices, should specify the BusID of the video card in an accepted        
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   bus-specific format.
[01:14] <Lucifiel> that's what the screen reads.
[01:14] <Lucifiel> oh well... i'm tired of working with ubuntu.
[01:15] <nomux> hi to all
[01:16] <darich> gah kernel updates are a pain :S
[01:16] <alex__> well, I'm back
[01:17] <shirish> alex__: hi how are u doing?
[01:17] <alex__> fine shirish
[01:17] <Lucifiel> great now i gotta restart...
[01:17] <Lucifiel> config.dat locked
[01:18] <shirish> Lucifiel: did u check for new drivers for your ati card on launchpad
[01:19] <alex__> shirish? did you want something?
[01:19] <shirish> alex__: nope I am happy atm, a cola would have been fine if you are asking :)
[01:19] <alex__> can anyone help me with my wificard
[01:19] <Lucifiel> shirish: do i look under bugs , answers or something else? gods, even launchpad is so hard to navigate.
[01:21] <alex__> shirish, don't you want my cola?
[01:21] <Stormx2> Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?
[01:21] <Stormx2> Well, not "keep getting"
[01:21] <Stormx2> but whenever its to do with initramfs it is
[01:21] <shirish> alex__: nope its good, but its always good to share right
[01:22] <shirish> Lucifiel: looking for something to direct to u
[01:23] <shirish> Lucifiel: look for something under xf86-video-ati-6.6.191 or below series, incidentally the 191 is the latest driver
[01:23] <alex__> right
[01:24] <alex__> well, about my wificard, can anyone help me with it?
[01:24] <Stormx2> If anyone has a mo have a look at my error please... I'm a little worried my ubuntu won't boot...
[01:24] <Lucifiel> shirish: thanks but do i search under answers or something else?
[01:29] <elmargol> How can I umount my ipod from the console without sudo?
[01:29] <elmargol> I can do It on gnome with the mouse
[01:30] <Lucifiel> shirish: it's okay... i'll probably look for xf86-video-ati-6.5.8.0
[01:30] <elmargol> eject does't work on feisty anymore
[01:33] <cafuego_> Ullo. Anyone successfully gotten 2.6.20-14 to boot?
[01:35] <varka> evolution shows me only empty window opening any mail
[01:35] <Suurorca> cafuego_: works perfectly fine here..
[01:36] <varka> cafuego_: here too
[01:36] <cafuego_> Rite. Mine gets as far as detecting drives, loading usb, finding ubnput devices, then locking up hard and rebooting after 30-odd seconds.
[01:37] <cafuego_> But -13 is fine.
[01:37] <cafuego_> I think the main difference is the new libata driver, so I guess I'll blame that.
[01:39] <Suurorca> anything interesting in bootlogs?
[01:39] <Lucifiel> shirish: btw, do you have any guide or something similar to help troubleshoot feisty?
[01:40] <cafuego_> Suurorca: Nope
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> hey guys trying to get wireless working on a DEll Inspiron 1501 anyone help
[01:40] <cafuego_> Suurorca: I did a verbose boot and it all looks normal.
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> !wireles
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <cafuego_> At the point where it's supposed to switch from the initrd to / and do some checking, it just stops.
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> !wireless
[01:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:42] <Suurorca> cafuego_: well, if you think it's the ata-driver, you should probably file a bugreport against kernel-source and include /var/log/boot and your specs
[01:43] <cafuego_> Suurorca: Well, without mouting / there is no /var/log/boot eh
[01:43] <Suurorca> ...it's empty?
[01:43] <cafuego_> I'll file a bug though
[01:43] <cafuego_> No, contains info from the 2.6.20-13 kernel, which boots fine.
[01:44] <Suurorca> ah ok, that's always the last boot, I guess
[01:44] <cafuego_> it never gets as far as mounting any disks, so it can not write any logs
[01:44] <Suurorca> anything in kern.log.0?
[01:44] <cafuego_> previous boot
[01:44] <Suurorca> Isuppose so...
[01:45] <cafuego_> (which was fine too ;-)
[01:45] <cafuego_> I cna trace it via serial console and a nullmodem cable, if i cna find the cable, but it reports nothing unusual.
[01:46] <Suurorca> kernel problems are always so nice to troubleshoot
[01:46] <cafuego_> tell me about it
[01:48] <enyc> hrrm ... feisty universe.. Should this be disucssed in herre (#ubuntu+1) or #ubuntu-motu  ??
[01:49] <cypherdelic> hello everyone
[01:49] <arejay> hi!
[01:49] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ufoai./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:49] <cypherdelic> that file is definitly INSTALLED
[01:49] <cypherdelic> please help
[01:50] <arejay> ldd /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
[01:50] <cypherdelic> ok did that
[01:50] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ldd /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
[01:50] <cypherdelic>         libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00002ab7adef4000)
[01:50] <cypherdelic>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002ab7ae176000)
[01:50] <cypherdelic>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00002ab7ae392000)
[01:50] <cypherdelic>         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002ab7ae596000)
[01:50] <cypherdelic>         /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000555555554000)
[01:51] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$
[01:51] <arejay> hrm. looks ok to me
[01:51] <arejay> what program are you trying to use?
[01:51] <cypherdelic> a game UFO - Alien Invasion
[01:51] <cypherdelic> installed propperly by sudo
[01:51] <cypherdelic> it is in /usr/local/games/ufoai
[01:53] <arejay> try running it with ./ufo +set snd_init 0
[01:54] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ufoai +set snd_init 0
[01:54] <cypherdelic> ./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:54] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$
[01:54] <Stormx2> Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?
[01:55] <alex__> can anyone help me with my wificard
[01:55] <alex__> can anyone help me with my wificard?
[01:59] <XamDM> i hav a strange problem after updatge to feisty, my hdd is now known as sda, is there a ide to scsi modul launched ??, and if so why ??
[01:59] <XamDM> i noticed scsi_mod ...
[01:59] <finalbeta> XamDM: feisty uses Libata versus whatever old driver it used.
[01:59] <finalbeta> You should be using uuid's anyway in fstab.
[02:00] <XamDM> so, sda is now normal vor ide ???
[02:00] <XamDM> finalbeta, i do so, just wondering ...
[02:00] <Lucifiel> btw mmm do any of you receive updates daily while running Feisty?
[02:00] <finalbeta> XamDM: It's normal, no overhead or anything.
[02:01] <finalbeta> Lucifiel: sure. It's Beta soft for a reason. it's still being worked on.
[02:01] <robokop> opera doesn't work anymore for me
[02:02] <Lucifiel> huh? but i don't receive any updates daily at all. O_o;; I even ran Update Manager and it tells me that "your system is up-to-date"!
[02:02] <XamDM> finalbeta, how can i n ow activate udma ???, hdparm fails because of scsi-device ...
[02:02] <cafuego_> XamDM: If dma wasn't enabled my the driver, you should probably be looking for a new device ;-)
[02:03] <finalbeta> XamDM: no idea at all. I'm having massive problems with it myself, my laptop takes 10 minutes to boot. Search launchpad, bugs are reported.
[02:03] <someothernick> i've been getting updates daily
[02:03] <finalbeta> cafuego_: It's happening for many.
[02:03] <Lucifiel> hmmm... i just received 6 updates but they're all for fonts or for Cairo. but nothing else. uhmmm this is strange.
[02:03] <finalbeta> cafuego_: Also using UDMA 33 versus higher supported modes.
[02:03] <cafuego_> finalbeta: what, hdparm failing? Yeah that's normal. blktool should sort that though
[02:04] <Lucifiel> i think i'll switch from the Singapore server to the main server.
[02:04] <finalbeta> I mean devices running at lower modes.
[02:05] <cafuego_> blktool it is, then.
[02:05] <cafuego_> it's the new and improved hdparm.
[02:05] <Lucifiel> ugh konversation crashed twice. pfftt
[02:06] <Lucifiel> btw, in "Software sources":  do you guys choose to download "source code" too?
[02:06] <cafuego_> ioc, it hasn't been ported to libata either
[02:06] <finalbeta> Lucifiel: no, unless you want to look at the code, disable it and stuff will go faster.
[02:06] <watchme> hi
[02:06] <Lucifiel> finalbeta: k phew it's disabled here. hmm
[02:07] <fKn> hi
[02:07] <fKn> i am trying ubuntu feisty. everytime i update to a new kernel the menu.lst will be updated too. the problem i, that the "root" kernel parameter will be set to a wrong UUID (for /dev/sda9) but ubuntu is installed to /dev/sda10... someone know how to fix it that. i dont want to fix it after every update by hand
[02:07] <Lucifiel> uh oh as i suspected...
[02:07] <watchme> does anyone know, why my feisty takes my ATA133 HDD as a SCSI?
[02:07] <Lucifiel> the Singapore server didn't have all the updates.
[02:07] <finalbeta> Firefox is the biggest problem for me. But it might be because of flash9. After going to a flash site, problems get bigger. Firefox gets trashed.
[02:08] <finalbeta> !libata
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <Lucifiel> hmm no wait...
[02:08] <watchme> I can mount any Partition with /dev/sda, but in my fstab there are /dev/hda ... WHY did it change with the last update?
[02:08] <finalbeta> Someone put that in the bot please. Sick of explaining that stuff.
[02:08] <finalbeta> !paste
[02:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:08] <bdgraue> i can't get opera running in feisty
[02:09] <finalbeta> watchme: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14181/
[02:09] <bdgraue> segmentation fault all time
[02:09] <watchme> argh... can you write it in qry...?? I have irssi and console only ;)
[02:09] <Stormx2> Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?
[02:10] <finalbeta> Stormx2: But everything works right?
[02:10] <finalbeta> Shouldn't be a problem. Normal useless spam.
[02:10] <watchme> thx
[02:11] <watchme> finalbeta: which uuid?
[02:11] <finalbeta> !uuid
[02:11] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:11] <watchme> the long ones I find under /dev/disk/by-uuid?
[02:12] <krabadur> is it no problem to install fesity herd5 now and to update to the final at 19.april? or would you suggest to wait until 19. april?
[02:12] <watchme> k....
[02:12] <Stormx2> finalbeta: Not sure yet...
[02:13] <watchme> but how should I write the path? with /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID  ?
[02:13] <finalbeta> krabadur: you shoul dbe aware it's still beta, weird things can still happen. But it unlikely. Some of use have been running Fiesty for months now without major booboo's.
[02:13] <watchme> or can I just type $UUID ?
[02:13] <fKn> finalbeta, why my grub uses the UUID of /dev/sda9 ? it should use UUDI of /dev/sda10, because /dev/sda10 is root
[02:14] <finalbeta> watchme: use blkid , it will list partition and uuid, then put the uuid's in fstab, there should already be uuid entries, at least for root.
[02:14] <fKn> if i change it by hand, every update will overwrite my settings
[02:14] <XamDM>  how can i get the uuid of a ntfs-partition ??, uuid onli tell type="ntfs"
[02:14] <watchme> there are no UUIDs :D
[02:14] <finalbeta> fKn: And the machine doesn't boot?
[02:15] <finalbeta> watchme: this is an example of an fstab line with uuid : UUID=16f6577c-d63f-4ad6-8093-882f7a8507fe /media/hdb5 ext3 defaults 0 0
[02:15] <fKn> finalbeta, ubuntu will not boot.. on /dev/sda9 is debian unstable, so debian unstable will boot :)
[02:15] <finalbeta> fKn: i've heared of a but like this before. I'll check.
[02:16] <fKn> finalbeta, will my fstab, menu.lst and output of blkid.tab help?
[02:16] <fKn> so i would paste it to pastebin
[02:17] <finalbeta> Ehm, yeah, do that.
[02:17] <krabadur> finalbeta, i'm aware of the beta-state. but principally there is no problem to install now herd5 and to update later to the final? or is there any reason to better wait install the final directly?
[02:17] <XamDM> blktoll gives Inappropriate ioctl for device if i try to enable dma
[02:17] <watchme> finalbeta: do you know a reason, why they changed ATA133 with SCSI-driver ?
[02:18] <fKn> finalbeta, ok, one moment
[02:18] <finalbeta> krabadur: upgrading should give the same result as installing the final release. But it some cases it will give slightly other results. Hardware detection perhaps, but if the beta runs fine, there should be no problems.
[02:18] <krabadur> finalbeta, thank you for your feedback!
[02:19] <finalbeta> watchme: The new driver has been long coming and should replace the old one completely, Most distributions changed some time ago as far as I know.
[02:19] <watchme> finalbeta: k... thx :)
[02:20] <watchme> finalbeta: I have a second problem... my X (until the last update, the newest I couldn't test because of the SCSI thing) keeps telling me my gconf-schemes are misconfigured...
[02:21] <watchme> sometimes it starts the app with this error, and sometimes it crashes my X with it (depenns on the app)
[02:21] <finalbeta> fKn: I can't find it on launchpad, you should report it. I know it's fixable. But I don't know how.
[02:21] <watchme> I reinstalled gconf, deleted .gconf, added a new user, but everytime I got the same problem
[02:22] <finalbeta> No idea watchme :p
[02:22] <watchme> (omg my english is worse today)
[02:23] <watchme> ok... thx
[02:23] <finalbeta> watchme: you've googled the exact error?
[02:24] <Stormx2> Um
[02:24] <Stormx2> My upgrade tool just disappeared
[02:24] <Stormx2> does this normally happen?
[02:24] <fKn> finalbeta, http://code.bulix.org/4ueex8-37926?raw
[02:24] <finalbeta> Stormx2: what do you mean exactly?
[02:24] <Stormx2> Well
[02:24] <Stormx2> It had just got to the end
[02:24] <Stormx2> and was fixing a couple of dependancy problems
[02:25] <Stormx2> I alt+tabbed to another window
[02:25] <Stormx2> and its gone now
[02:26] <Stormx2> Should I reboot?
[02:26] <finalbeta> fKn: Put that all on launchpad in a bug report. I don't know what file to edit to fix it. grub gets wrong info, but donu from where.
[02:26] <finalbeta> duno* don't know* :p
[02:26] <fKn> ok
[02:26] <slytherin> Stormx2: what dependency problems?
[02:26] <finalbeta> Stormx2: probably not, unless you are sure the upgrade completed you might end up with a broken system.
[02:26] <fKn> btw, is posting of UUID's a safety risk?
[02:27] <finalbeta> fKn: not at all.
[02:27] <slytherin> Stormx2: Isn't the upgrade toll supposed to take care of dependency problems?
[02:27] <Stormx2> I accidently Ctrl +C'd during the install.
[02:27] <Stormx2> So gnome-panel-data got canceled
[02:27] <Stormx2> and it fixed it at the end
[02:27] <finalbeta> fKn: it's the same as posting /dev/hda5 , has not information about your system, user pass, whatever.
[02:27] <slytherin> Stormx2: Then try to do upgrade again.
[02:27] <Stormx2> Okay
[02:27] <Stormx2> Well here's the issue
[02:27] <Stormx2> I don't have access to a terminal
[02:28] <Stormx2> my panels are frozen
[02:28] <Stormx2> and Alt + F2 doesn't work.
[02:28] <Stormx2> Shall i go into tty1?
[02:28] <fKn> finalbeta, no HDD serial number included? ok :)
[02:28] <slytherin> Stormx2: Ctrl + Alt +F1
[02:28] <finalbeta> fKn: no, lol
[02:28] <Stormx2> slytherin: What command? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[02:28] <slytherin> Stormx2: yes
[02:28] <Stormx2> kk
[02:28] <Stormx2> Cya
[02:30] <Stormx2> Woo
[02:30] <Stormx2> I can swap between X and tty1!
[02:30] <Stormx2> I never knew that
[02:30] <fKn> ok, similar issue: i need to force acpi (acpi=force) in kernel command line.. this setting will overwritten in menu.lst also.. any ideas?
[02:30] <cafuego_> you cna swap to tty2-tty6 too ;-)
[02:31] <Stormx2> It has another 20 minutes of packages to download... apparently.
[02:32] <Stormx2> Which confuses me a little because the upgrade tool already downloaded all the packages.
[02:32] <slytherin> fKn: What do you mean by overwritten in menu.lst?
[02:34] <fKn> slytherin, if the kernel images are updated, aptitude will also update menu.lst.. anythings that i changed by hand will lost
[02:34] <finalbeta> fKn: I'm looking up how the UUID's are created, They seems to be stored in the file systems superblock at the start of the journal. They are created using dev/random or might even include a hardware address. yet, to go from a UUID to the hardware address, seems impossible to me. It's likely you can consider it a one way algorithm, Something like an md5. because of the random data being added.
[02:34] <finalbeta> (that's for etx2/3
[02:36] <alleyoopster> hi
[02:36] <robokop> is there a way to check battery load from command line?
[02:36] <slytherin> fKn: you are write. There must be some way to provide global options separately so that they will be used irrespective of kernel version.
[02:37] <alleyoopster> I have lost my cd/dvd after upgrading from edgy, need some help to find it please :)
[02:37] <slytherin> alleyoopster: What do you mean by lost. Please explain a bit.
[02:38] <alleyoopster> sure - if I insert a cd or dvd audio or data i cannot see it
[02:39] <Poul^Laptop> hehe, i belived it was the physic disks you had lost :P
[02:39] <slytherin> alleyoopster: have you files a bug or support request?
[02:40] <alleyoopster> nothing yet, I have put a post on the forum, but that is all
[02:40] <alleyoopster> Poul^Laptop>: lol
[02:40] <mphill> alleyoopster, can you mount manually?
[02:41] <shirish> anybody know what does this error mean? http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:41] <alleyoopster> well correct me if i am wrong but i thing the devices have changed with the newer kernel and i now will be using /dev/scd0
[02:42] <alleyoopster> this will not mount
[02:43] <mphill> no, it should be more like sda sdb sdc, etc
[02:43] <finalbeta> shirish: the file it wants do download is not available online.
[02:43] <slytherin> shirish: Some problem with mirror. Use different mirror. Try the IITM mirror.
[02:43] <alleyoopster> I am getting errors on boot up "revalidation failed (errno=-2)
[02:44] <shirish> slytherin: what do u mean by IITM mirror, the British main mirror?
[02:44] <slytherin> shirish: Are you not from India?
[02:44] <finalbeta> shirish: it does seem to be working for me though. try again later? :p Or use the mirror like slytherin  said
[02:44] <alleyoopster> mphill: i only have sda*
[02:44] <shirish> slytherin: I am from India, do u mean IIT mumbai has a mirror?
[02:44] <mphill> alleyoopster, thats your hard drive
[02:45] <alleyoopster> mphill: yes i know, no other sd devices
[02:45] <slytherin> shirish: No. IITM is IIT Madras. :-D Let me find exact mirror line.
[02:45] <shirish> slytherin: cool, I did not know they were hosting a mirror too. this is too cool :)
[02:46] <shirish> slytherin: do not tell me you are from the localization team working there?
[02:46] <mphill> alleyoopster, I'm sorry man, i never heard of anything like that. maybe try running sudo depmod
[02:46] <alleyoopster> mphill: the device is just not present anymore
[02:47] <slytherin> shirish: No. I am not from Tamil Localization team. I don't know the mirror right now. I am on Win 2K :-) You should probably try asking on #ubuntu-in
[02:47] <shirish> slytherin: thanx will do :)
[02:48] <alleyoopster> mphill: ok. well thanks for your input, I think it must the kernel change, but it is a common dell laptop.
[02:48] <mphill> alleyoopster, did you run depmod
[02:48] <mphill> and reboot
[02:48] <alleyoopster> mphill:yes i did
[02:48] <mphill> ok
[02:49] <alleyoopster> mphill:I have sr0, and scd0 under /dev. I also have buffer I/O errors on sr0. I am confused
[02:49] <daynah> before I go and install flash the normal way, does feisty have a fancy-pants way of installing it?
[02:50] <shirish> daynah: flash has issues with firefox
[02:50] <alleyoopster> mphill:ah didnt reboot, will try that
[02:50] <penguin42> daynah: Install the flashplugin-nonfree package
[02:51] <daynah> Thanks, penguin42. shirish, good thing for me then that I use opera. :) If they're still the same versions (it's early, haven't checked) everything should still work fine.
[02:51] <daynah> Penguin42 and this is flash 9?
[02:51] <penguin42> daynah: I've got 9 installed - I can't honestly remember if that does 9
[02:52] <shirish> daynah: yes it is flash9 but it crashes firefox now & then
[02:52] <daynah> Penguin42, welp, I'll go find out. Thanks, boysies and girlsies!
[02:52] <shirish> daynah: there is swfdec library which claims to solve this issue http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:53] <shirish> but we have the old version still
[02:53] <daynah> shirish, I'm not worried about firefox, babe. I avoid the browser like the plague. But thanks for your concern! :)
[02:53] <shirish> daynah: no babe here, guy unfortunately
[02:55] <alleyoopster> mphill: I will file a bug for this, thanks again.
[02:55] <daynah> Shirish, I call everyone a babe. Hope you weren't offended. :( A lot of people in Georgia do that. Apparently people in California have stolen this trait, but that's just weird.
[02:56] <enyc> so....  ?why does feisty kernel+udev  show my PATA ''hda''  as /dev/sda .. like it was scsi/sata ?
[02:57] <penguin42> enyc: There is some move to unify stuff
[02:57] <penguin42> enyc: Is it a promise controller by any chance?
[02:57] <Suurorca> because pata and sata are now under unified driver
[02:57] <daynah> It worked. All to watch a video of a hamster eating his first broccoli. Awww.
[02:58] <penguin42> Suurorca: Only some of them
[02:58] <shirish> ency: that is the libata driver which is showing and that is normal
[02:59] <shirish> !libata
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <shirish> !info libata
[02:59] <ubotu> Package libata does not exist in feisty
[02:59] <penguin42> silly bot
[02:59] <shirish> ency: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[03:00] <daynah> Now I'm gonna see if you guys can answer another question, one the forum couldn't answer. In Feisty, my USB hubs keep turning on an off, resulting inthe lights turning on and off (quite distracting). But when I plug a usb thumb drive in, the light stays on, they work fine. Any thoughts?
[03:00] <shirish> daynah: it seems to be in hunting mode, like Wi-FI
[03:00] <penguin42> daynah: I don't know but I wonder if it's a power saving trick
[03:01] <penguin42> daynah: I've heard of laptops that use a LOT more power if the USB is enabled so perhaps it's trying only to enable if in use
[03:02] <daynah> do you guys know how to either make it stop hunting or suck up energy? This is my desktop, so I don't need that enabled. Or somewhere to go to find this out?
[03:02] <enyc> penguin42: no promise... intel 845 or something.. after 440BX but similar
[03:02] <penguin42> enyc: Ah OK
[03:02] <enyc> penguin42: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02)
[03:03] <icecruncher> daynah: it seem s you are the 3rd person who has a usb prob with fesity
[03:03] <penguin42> enyc: Nod, a fairly standard Intel IDE interface
[03:03] <penguin42> daynah: Please bug report it
[03:04] <shirish> !info swfdec
[03:04] <ubotu> Package swfdec does not exist in feisty
[03:05] <rarj> Feisty install doesnt go beyond Migration assistant. Can anyone help ?
[03:05] <daynah> Thanks! I wanted to make sure it wasn't something everyone knew an obvious fix before I bugged it
[03:05] <Stormx2> Okay.
[03:05] <Stormx2> I finished doing the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:05] <Stormx2> Anything else I should do before I reboot?
[03:06] <enyc> hrrm...
[03:07] <shirish> guys any idea how to know if everything is updated, or you are behind as in updates?
[03:07] <enyc> bizarre muddle is drivers ;-)
[03:07] <Stormx2> I'll just reboot I guess
[03:07] <billy> !daily
[03:07] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:07] <Stormx2> What is the best way to do a nice clean reboot from command line? I don't wanna screw anything up...
[03:07] <penguin42> reboot
[03:07] <Stormx2> kk.
[03:08] <shirish> billy: I wanted to know through the update is there any way to check that u are updated fully, I also updated through the main mirror but nothing comes in. Any idea?
[03:09] <billy> shirish: you working with terminal?
[03:09] <SlimeyPete> if you try to update/dist-upgrade and no package gets selected, then you're up-to-date (assuming you've reloaded your package lists first)
[03:09] <billy> shirish: i know update manager doesn't work for me.
[03:09] <shirish> billy: SlimeyPete: I have reloaded my package lists
[03:09] <Suurorca> ugh... interesting. apache 2 doesn't seem to work. doesn't say a thing :p
[03:10] <shirish> billy: to answer your query, i am on X not terminal
[03:10] <billy> shirish: open a terminal for me, please.
[03:10] <shirish> billy: one is already open :)
[03:10] <slytherin> Suurorca: There must be something in logs.
[03:11] <billy> shirish: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.  tell me if any packages are kept back.
[03:11] <icecruncher> anybody use flex 2 express?
[03:11] <shirish> billy: will do, although it would take a moment, I am again reloading the packages from indian server now, in the hopes something happens
[03:11] <holycow> hey guys
[03:12] <billy> shirish: ok.
[03:12] <slytherin> billy: use dist-upgrade when packages are kept back.
[03:12] <billy> slytherin: yes.
[03:12] <Stormx2> The ubuntu artwork gets steadily worse with every release
[03:12] <Stormx2> but at least my system works.
[03:12] <slytherin> Stormx2: Everyone can not be pleased. :-)
[03:12] <holycow> i'm fine with hosing my system but thought to ask if the upgrade from edgy to feisty is smooth and if feisty is currently in a useable mode or broken?
[03:12] <billy> holycow: very smooth for me.  everything works for me as well.
[03:12] <penguin42> holycow: It's fine for me - there are various problems affecting various people
[03:13] <slytherin> holycow: It is completely in usable mode.
[03:13] <holycow> ah neat, dist upgrade here i come.
[03:13] <holycow> i thank thee
[03:13] <billy> holycow: use the recommended upgrade method.
[03:13] <penguin42> billy: Does that work now?
[03:13] <Stormx2> I like the little blue bit on the left of menus
[03:13] <holycow> billy, what is the recommended method?
[03:13] <icecruncher> holycow: lots of bugs
[03:14] <holycow> icecruncher, *nod* okay cool ... noted.  so potentialy hosing of system possible :)
[03:14] <holycow> lol
[03:14] <billy> penguin42: holycow: alt-f2.  "gksudo update-manager -d", if I remember correctly.
[03:14] <slytherin> icecruncher: I would be glad to have a link pointing me to the bugs you filed. :-)
[03:14] <NewUser> i m trying to install Feisty Beta with Live cd. In Step 4. Prepare Partitions.. i Aint See any Partition there. Whats That?
[03:14] <icecruncher> slytherin: havnt yet
[03:14] <penguin42> billy: Nod, 1st time I tried that about a month ago it didn't work - I suspect it may be fixed now
[03:14] <holycow> oh update manager
[03:14] <NewUser> im trying to install manual partition
[03:14] <holycow> that just does a dist upgrade
[03:14] <holycow> no biggie
[03:14] <holycow> danke
[03:14] <slytherin> icecruncher: I suppose you know that final release date is 19th.
[03:15] <icecruncher> yeah
[03:15] <icecruncher> i know
[03:15] <Suurorca> slytherin: luckily it turned out that the upgrade had just dropped the package somewhere. re-install put is back working :)
[03:15] <icecruncher> my adept-updater crashes all the time, i'll post bug soon
[03:15] <Suurorca> gave me a good scare, though
[03:15] <billy> penguin42: that's the recommended method, over manually editing sources.list and "dist-upgrade"'ing.
[03:15] <penguin42> nod
[03:15] <billy> NewUser: you don't see ANY partitions?
[03:16] <NewUser> billy: ya There is no partion..
[03:16] <shirish> this is crazy, there are no logs of update-manager or apt-get in /var/log anywhere
[03:16] <Stormx2> So where is this codec manager i've heard so much about?
[03:16] <shirish> NewUser: is it an IDE or a SATA disk?
[03:16] <slytherin> icecruncher: I don't want to sound rude but I have seen many people complaining that there are many bugs but they choose not to file any even when they can. How can one expect the system to get better if problems are not reported.
[03:16] <NewUser> shirish: its IDE.. And in My HD There is 4 partition.. 2 for fat 1 for edgy n 1 for swap.
[03:16] <billy> NewUser: are you using the latest nightly build of Feisty? or an old build?
[03:17] <NewUser> billy: as i said i just downloaded it today
[03:17] <icecruncher> true
[03:17] <billy> NewUser: from where?  give me the link, please.
[03:17] <slytherin> billy: He is using beta.
[03:17] <elmargol> How can I eject a device from the console without sudo?
[03:17] <NewUser> billy: from Ubuntu web.
[03:17] <slytherin> elmargol: eject
[03:17] <elmargol> ejects needs root
[03:17] <slytherin> elmargol: You don't need sudo for that
[03:18] <shirish> nope you dont need sudo
[03:18] <slytherin> elmargol: How did you mount it?
[03:18] <elmargol> it is an automounted ipod
[03:18] <shirish> NewUser: this is a dual-boot config I suppose?
[03:18] <slytherin> elmargol: Oh. They you should be able to unmount it by right clicking on desktop
[03:18] <slytherin> elmargol: I mean right click the icon on desktop
[03:18] <elmargol> yes this works. i need the command for amarok to do this for me
[03:19] <slytherin> elmargol: Or if you are using rhythmbox then you can eject it form rhythmbox. Don't know about amarok.
[03:19] <elmargol> eject %d doesn't workd on feisty anymore
[03:19] <icecruncher> slytherin: just got a crash and it says not enough info to create backtrace
[03:19] <slytherin> icecruncher: which app crashed?
[03:19] <NewUser> shirish: yes
[03:20] <shirish> NewUser: did u format the the feisty side of hdd or how it is there?
[03:20] <Stormx2> Ima see if I can get my nvidia legacy driver working.
[03:20] <Stormx2> Wish me luck.
[03:20] <icecruncher> nspluginvier didn't even use it
[03:21] <NewUser> shirish: how can i format the partition ? i want to use edgy partition for fiesty.. but in 4 step.. there is no partition for selection.
[03:22] <shirish> NewUser: it would have been good if you had used the alternate CD, although there have been bugs filed for this
[03:22] <NewUser> shirish: I dont have Alternate Cd.. i just download livecd.
[03:22] <billy> NewUser: why not just upgrade the Edgy to Feisty?
[03:23] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[03:23] <gop> how do I fix it
[03:24] <Stormx2> w00t!
[03:24] <Stormx2> nvidia driver in use!
[03:24] <Stormx2> Wow!
[03:24] <Stormx2> I've been trying to get that working for like a year and half... and suddenly it works in 5 minutes
[03:25] <NewUser> billy: i d0nt have that kinda speedy net.
[03:25] <Stormx2> now for beryl
[03:26] <slytherin> NewUser: Ahh, bad choice for CD. I think it needs to be properly mentioned on websites that only alternate CD can be used for upgrades. Most people are not even aware of it's existence.
[03:26] <slytherin> Stormx2: beryl is in ubuntu repositories.
[03:26] <billy> gop: supposedly, your error means that GRUB is attempting to execute a boot sequence for which there there is no kernel to start.
[03:26] <Stormx2> slytherin: sudo apt-get install beryl?
[03:27] <Stormx2> I'm confused... what should I use, beryl or compiz?
[03:27] <Stormx2> or are they the same thing? xD
[03:27] <holycow> slytherin, actually when the live cd came out i wasn't even aware of the alternate cd, indeed
[03:27] <gop> billy hmm
[03:27] <billy> Stormx2: not the same, although they will be, as they are merging.  they work differently on different systems.  try both.
[03:27] <gop> is thier a fix for this
[03:27] <slytherin> Stormx2: Beryl for now. Frankly compiz in feisty s**ks.
[03:28] <billy> gop:  i always try the easiest thing first.  do you have a super grub disc?
[03:28] <holycow> i only found out about the alternate cd and why d-i was no longer available to me at the beginning is when the live installer failed
[03:28] <gop> nop
[03:28] <billy> slytherin: it's unfinished.  give it time.
[03:28] <gop> should I get one
[03:28] <billy> gop: http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=download
[03:29] <elmargol> lol gnome-mount -t --eject --device %d is the correct way to umount an ipod from amarok
[03:29] <gop> k
[03:29] <gop> and just burn it
[03:29] <slytherin> billy: Right but then it shouldn't have been a default install
[03:29] <billy> gop: yes.  you know how to burn ISO images?
[03:29] <gop> sure
[03:30] <slytherin> elmargol: ahh, gnome-mount. Forgot that
[03:30] <billy> slytherin: well, Feisty hasn't even been officially released.  :)
[03:30] <billy> gop: cool.  just burn it and boot into it.  there will be an "autofix" option.
[03:30] <slytherin> billy: Yes. But it is just 15 days away. And right now, when you install ubuntu-desktop it also installs compiz.
[03:30] <Stormx2> Will I need AIGLX billy / slytherin?
[03:30] <billy> gop: even if it doesn't work, which it probably will, you need the disc anyway, just in case.
[03:31] <billy> Stormx2: mine worked without installing anything.
[03:31] <billy> Stormx2: i got nice rain drops all over my screen as we speak.  :)
[03:31] <slytherin> Stormx2: You did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right?
[03:31] <gop> billy:  oh oh k sweet
[03:31] <Stormx2> Nope. Was I meant to?
[03:31] <gop> oh autofix
[03:31] <gop> can you email me the link djmax00@yahoo.com
[03:31] <gop> I will got to supermarket
[03:32] <gop> and get a blank cdr
[03:32] <gop> I am out
[03:32] <gop> thanks
[03:32] <billy> gop: just bookmark the page.
[03:32] <slytherin> Stormx2: Not really. I had to do it but then I have been using feisty from herd 3. See if your /etc/X11/xorg.conf has any mention of Composite or AIGLX
[03:32] <Stormx2> kk
[03:32] <Stormx2> I haven't install either I don't think
[03:32] <gop> k
[03:32] <Stormx2> I've just gone to System > Administration > Restricted Drivers and enabled the nvidia legacy driver
[03:33] <slytherin> Stormx2: you don't need to install it. Is is an extension and you need to configure/enable it. That is why I said check xorg.conf
[03:33] <Stormx2> Okay
[03:33] <Stormx2> Well
[03:34] <Stormx2> In the "Device" bit for my NVIDIA card
[03:34] <Stormx2> it says:
[03:34] <Stormx2> 	Option		"AllowGLXWithComposite"	"True"
[03:34] <Stormx2> Thats the only reference I can find to aiglx / composite
[03:34] <Daemonik> How's a person set the default sound device with Xubuntu?
[03:35] <ShackJack> Hi Felly Feistiers - just wondering was anyone else a victim of the botched .14 kernel update yesterday ?
[03:35] <billy> Stormx2: sounds like you're ready to go.
[03:35] <Stormx2> Okay
[03:35] <Stormx2> So I can just sudo apt-get install beryl now?
[03:35] <Stormx2> w00t
[03:35] <Stormx2> I'm excited
[03:35] <billy> ShackJack: no victim here.  I actually think my system is faster?
[03:35] <ShackJack> billy - so your on kernel .14?
[03:36] <billy> Stormx2:  you really should make sure you've got the checklist done though.  Gimme a sec to get the link.
[03:36] <billy> ShackJack: yes.
[03:36] <Stormx2> Okay
[03:36] <Stormx2> thanks
[03:36] <ShackJack> billy - it's weird - the .14 screwed up my fglrx display and seemingly my wireless... And on my desktop Feisty system, I'm not even prompted to install .14
[03:36] <billy> Stormx2: nevermind.  i was thinking something else.
[03:37] <billy> Stormx2: you don't have the beryl repos, right?  just the feisty ones, right?  b/c beryl is now in the fiesty repos.
[03:37] <Stormx2> Yeah
[03:37] <Stormx2> Thats right
[03:38] <billy> Stormx2: cool.  yeah.  go for it.  sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald emerald-themes.
[03:38] <billy> Stormx2: try one thing for me.
[03:38] <slytherin> Stormx2: go to wiki.ubuntu.com and search for beryl.
[03:39] <Poul^Laptop> Anyone tryed hamachi on fiesty?
[03:40] <billy> Stormx2: don't run beryl yet, after you've downloaded it.  we need to check for direct rendering.
[03:40] <Stormx2> Okay.
[03:41] <Stormx2> Its downloaded / installed now.
[03:41] <Draconicus> Hmm..
[03:41] <billy> Stormx2: glxinfo | grep direct in a terminal.
[03:41] <Draconicus> My spca5xx driver vanished the other day and hasn't come back yet.
[03:41] <Draconicus> I did an update and it went poof.
[03:41] <Stormx2> direct rendering: Yes
[03:41] <Draconicus> I'd like to use my camera again. :P
[03:41] <billy> Stormx2: you're good to go.  know how to get everything running?
[03:41] <Stormx2> billy ^^
[03:41] <Stormx2> Yeah
[03:41] <Stormx2> I'm on the wiki
[03:42] <AndyCR> hi
[03:42] <Stormx2> beryl-manager I think.
[03:42] <Stormx2> If this screws up can I just kill it?
[03:42] <AndyCR> having an issue with desktop effects
[03:42] <AndyCR> if i enable them in the desktop effects preferences, it works fine except no window decorator shows
[03:42] <billy> Stormx2: that may work.  I've always had to run more.  Yes, killing is easy.  but you'll have to switch back to metacity as your window manager.
[03:42] <finalbeta> !desktop-effects
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop-effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <Stormx2> Checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap        : failed
[03:42] <Stormx2> Meh :(
[03:43] <Stormx2> No GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[03:43] <slytherin> Stormx2: Stormx2if it screws up then select metacity as window manager form beryl-manager's menu. So it will disable emerald.
[03:43] <billy> Stormx2: i get little errors like that too.  Beryl didn't run at all?
[03:43] <Stormx2> Well
[03:43] <Stormx2> It said that
[03:43] <Stormx2> Then this:
[03:44] <Stormx2> beryl: Support for non power of two textures missing
[03:44] <Stormx2> beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0
[03:44] <Stormx2> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[03:44] <Stormx2> Sorry for the paste ^^
[03:44] <slytherin> Stormx2: I think it is time for reconfiguring X server :-D
[03:44] <finalbeta> !compiz | Stormx2
[03:44] <ubotu> Stormx2: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:45] <shirish> so either there are updates or something is totally wrong with my stuff
[03:45] <shirish> for i did the whole apt-get update, apt-get upgrade as well as apt-get dist-upgrade not even an error poops out
[03:46] <billy> shirish: you may simply be up to date.  are you having an issue?
[03:46] <Stormx2> I think I'm just gonna miss out on the whole compiz / beryl thing.
[03:46] <Stormx2> My video card probably wouldn't run it very well anyway.
[03:46] <billy> Stormx2: do what slytherin said.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:46] <shirish> billy: nope was just wondering after the mad rush of the last 3 days today has been virtually nothing
[03:46] <Stormx2> kk
[03:46] <slytherin> shirish: it happens sometime
[03:46] <shirish> billy: or is the silence before the storm
[03:47] <billy> shirish: it's cool.  i haven't gotten anything this morning either.
[03:47] <shirish> !now calcutta
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about now calcutta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <billy> shirish: just check back this evening, or in about 12 hours.
[03:47] <shirish> @now calcutta
[03:47] <Stormx2> slytherin: Do I just keep hitting enter?
[03:47] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 06 2007, 19:17:26 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days
[03:47] <shirish> billy: guess would have to do that
[03:48] <gop> @now newyork
[03:48] <slytherin> Stormx2: You may have to provide inputs for Monitor. Make sure you use simple interface for monitor config and then just provide monitor size.
[03:48] <billy> shirish: well, i know that for myself, update-manager doesn't work.  i manually check everyday.
[03:48] <shirish> billy: same here I also have to do that
[03:48] <billy> shirish: so how is feisty working for you?
[03:48] <shirish> billy: I think I filed a bug-report of it, lemme see
[03:48] <slytherin> Stormx2: After it is done a backup copy of your current xorg.conf will be saved by adding today's date as suffix to it. You can check differences later using diff.
[03:49] <shirish> billy: just like life, somethings work, somethings need work, somethings just do not work lol :P
[03:49] <jarle> no news about non-working nvidia-glx-legacy drivers in feisty?
[03:49] <billy> shirish: lol.  i know what you mean.  honestly, i expect little things to go wrong until the 19th at least.
[03:50] <gop> @now new york
[03:50] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: April 06 2007, 09:50:43 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days
[03:50] <shirish> billy: why do u expect the things to go wrong after 19th i.e. unless you are going to jump repos again to feisty+1
[03:51] <billy> shirish: there are *always* bugs.
[03:51] <Stormx2> slytherin: Restart X?
[03:51] <shirish> billy: that is an understatement for sure
[03:51] <mphill> why was herd 6 canceled?
[03:51] <shirish> billy: right from filing incomplete bugs
[03:51] <slytherin> Stormx2: of xourse. Log out and then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[03:52] <shirish> mphill: guess because of kernel freeze and lot of other freezes happening
[03:52] <Stormx2> Well, X started fine
[03:52] <Stormx2> I'll try beryl-manager again
[03:52] <flyingpenguin123> hey
[03:52] <shirish> 10 minutes & off I go back then in another hr. or so
[03:52] <flyingpenguin123> anyone else got any problems with a 2200BG wireless card?
[03:52] <flyingpenguin123> mine isnt detecting any networks at all.
[03:53] <mphill> code freezes are exciting!
[03:53] <Stormx2>  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". <-- I screwed up >__<
[03:53] <slytherin> flyingpenguin123: what is version of feisty you are running?
[03:53] <flyingpenguin123> 7.04
[03:53] <Stormx2> billy?
[03:53] <flyingpenguin123> err
[03:53] <flyingpenguin123> sorry
[03:53] <slytherin> flyingpenguin123: Is it updated?
[03:53] <billy> yeah Stormx2.
[03:53] <Stormx2> billy: Suggestions?
[03:53] <jussi01> can someone help me sort out my fstab??
[03:53] <flyingpenguin123> I've run the update and upgrade commands.
[03:54] <flyingpenguin123> I'm not sure what version, I'm still pretty nooby at linux =] 
[03:54] <Stormx2> Shall I copy over that option I found in the xorg.conf before?
[03:54] <Stormx2> To the new version?
[03:54] <slytherin> flyingpenguin123: I just wanted to know if it is latest version.
[03:54] <billy> Stormx2: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:54] <flyingpenguin123> kays =] 
[03:54] <slytherin> Stormx2: Yes. As I said check difference and wisely do copy paste.
[03:55] <flyingpenguin123> hm I've checked forums and guides but nothing seems to have helped so far.
[03:55] <slytherin> flyingpenguin123: Check bug 82335
[03:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82335
[03:55] <Stormx2> Apparently I need to reboot
[03:55] <Stormx2> I already had nvidia-legacy-glx installed.
[03:55] <flyingpenguin123> okay
[03:55] <Stormx2> But it got disabled with that X reconfigure.
[03:55] <flyingpenguin123> looking now
[03:56] <billy> Stormx2: try the reboot.  we'll be here to help, if we can.
[03:56] <jarle> Stormx2: You also have problems with nvidia-glx-legacy?
[03:56] <jussi01> can someone tell me whats wrong with this line of my fstab, //192.168.123.104/Disk /home/jussi/NAS   smbfs  auto,uid=1000,umask=000,user   0 0
[03:56] <Poul^Laptop> Anyone who know how to use hamachi ? i got it installed and on a network, but dont know who to list another users shared files
[03:57] <flyingpenguin123> I dont think it's a bug with network manager or my router
[03:57] <flyingpenguin123> since I have run feisty on my PC and it detected the wireless instantly when I clicked on the icon, there it was
[03:57] <flyingpenguin123> but on my laptop its not there.
[03:57] <jarle> jussi01: You get any errors when you try mounting it?
[03:58] <icecruncher> how can you view the history in konqueror
[03:58] <shirish> guys I hope u guys can all contribute to giving your inputs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/103611
[03:58] <flyingpenguin123> and my internet works through a wire
[03:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:58] <slytherin> jussi01: Do you need to do it /etc/fstab?
[03:58] <jussi01> jarle, nevermind, I just realised how stupid I am
[03:58] <flyingpenguin123> its just the wireless and its just on the 2200BG
[03:59] <Stormx2> Okay
[03:59] <Stormx2> I'm trying again, then
[04:00] <flyingpenguin123> does anyone else here have a 2200BG card? =] 
[04:00] <shirish> as well as this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/102868
[04:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 102868 in apport "apport should be mini-ftp client with resuming capabilities" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:00] <Stormx2> Um
[04:00] <Stormx2> Well it ran >__<
[04:00] <Stormx2> Its up in the top right
[04:00] <shirish> slytherin: what do u think of the two bugs?
[04:00] <Stormx2> I don't see any difference though.
[04:01] <NewUser> shirish now My fiesty get hang on step 5 " Migrate Documents And Settings "
[04:01] <jussi01> flyingpenguin123, yeah, i do
[04:01] <shirish> NewUser: actually you are almost there, see if you can get to ctrl+alt+F1, another console
[04:02] <jussi01> flyingpenguin123, works out of the box...
[04:02] <flyingpenguin123> poo.
[04:02] <flyingpenguin123> okay.
[04:02] <flyingpenguin123> what can I do to narrow down the problem?
[04:03] <NewUser> shirish: system g0t halted.. :<
[04:03] <jussi01> flyingpenguin123, whats the problem?
[04:03] <Stormx2> Billy, it won't load. It turns up in my notification area. I go to Select Window Manager > Beryl... my window decorations flash a little bit, then it goes back to metacity.
[04:03] <shirish> NewUser: sorry have no idea
[04:04] <Stormx2> I'm back with the same errors in the terminal, too
[04:04] <flyingpenguin123> there are no wireless connections
[04:04] <flyingpenguin123> at all
[04:04] <flyingpenguin123> no signals, nothing
[04:04] <shirish> NewUser: I did through the alternate CD and it works for me, of course there are still some issues which need ironing out
[04:04] <flyingpenguin123> and if I try to manually connect it simply stays at 0 signal
[04:04] <billy> Stormx2: from what I understand, the nvida-legacy drivers are a touch buggy.  I think other folks in this room have stated as much.
[04:05] <NewUser> shirish: there is 3 buttons.. For use.. but.. Just one is enable :/ And that one is cancel :>
[04:05] <billy> Stormx2: did you run "emerald --replace" ?
[04:05] <Stormx2> billy: Nope.
[04:05] <shirish> NewUser: I wish u could take a screenshot & upload it to launchpad, actually this is severe stuff which you are facing, this should not happen
[04:06] <billy> Stormx2: that's one of the things I always have to run.  alt-f2 and run `emerald --replace`.
[04:06] <NewUser> billy: have any idea? installation get hang on step 5. " Migrate Documentes And Setting "?
[04:06] <shirish> NewUser: I am out of here for time being, suggest you look at answers as well as bugs in launchpad , possibly somebody have some idea
[04:06] <billy> NewUser: are you sure it's a hang?  how long did you let it try?
[04:06] <NewUser> shirish: i m trying to install fisty on another machine ..
[04:07] <NewUser> billy: yes i m sure its hang.. coz mouse or keyboard nothing works.
[04:07] <shirish> billy: he cannot get to command prompt
[04:07] <shirish> ok guys signing off, back in an hr. or so
[04:07] <NewUser> billy: for last 20 minutes same screen.
[04:07] <billy> NewUser: yep.  that's a hang allright.
[04:08] <flyingpenguin123> woh.
[04:08] <NewUser> *NetSplit*
[04:08] <billy> holy guacamole.
[04:08] <flyingpenguin123> wow.
[04:08] <NewUser> billy: what do i do now ? any idea?
[04:08] <flyingpenguin123> what happened...an ISP went down?
[04:08] <jussi01> !netsplit
[04:08] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[04:09] <billy> NewUser:  alt-f2.  beryl
[04:09] <flyingpenguin123> hehe thanks
[04:09] <NewUser> billy: but system is hang :s now alt-f2 works ?
[04:09] <billy> NewUser: sorry.  got things crossed.
[04:10] <Stormx2> Looks like my card can't run beryl after all...
[04:10] <flyingpenguin123> so.
[04:10] <Stormx2> Well, XGL, which is needed by beryl if i'm using nvidia legacy drivers.
[04:10] <flyingpenguin123> whats the usual thing to do when wireless isnt working?
[04:10] <billy> NewUser: just a sec.  let me see if I can dig something up.
[04:11] <NewUser> billy: sure.
[04:14] <peter77> ubuntu seems to take longer to boot than it did after I just installed it
[04:14] <peter77> I've disabled uneeded startup services but that has made little to no difference
[04:15] <jarle> would it be straight forward for me to set my feisty system back to edgy? (I need to get my nvidia driver back up) Is it as simple as replacing feisty with edgy in the sources.list?
[04:15] <billy> !downgrade | jarle
[04:15] <ubotu> jarle: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[04:15] <hidan> hmmmm
[04:16] <hidan> i'm trying to install updates now. But it stalls at "preparing to configure libdecoration0"
[04:16] <jarle> The thread at http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87332&page=4 didn't bring any good news into the nvidia not working case...
[04:17] <peter77> jarle, as ubuntu takes about 30 mins to install I'd backup my files and just install edgy
[04:18] <stefg> Ooops... 2.6.20-14 just came in, but won't boot. Too sad :-(
[04:18] <billy> !info libdecoration0
[04:18] <ubotu> libdecoration0: Compiz window decoration library. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 120 kB
[04:18] <NewUser> billy: I just Reboot my System After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in
[04:18] <jarle> peter77: Then I had to keeps installing all the programs over again, as I can not make ubuntu install the programs I have today..
[04:19] <peter77> hmm, have you got a large amount of programs to reinstall jarle?
[04:19] <billy> NewUser: i don't know what that means.  you should boot into an earlier kernel.
[04:19] <hidan> bah...
[04:20] <jarle> peter77: and it has taken me months just figuring out the different programs that I need to have installed to do different tasks...
[04:20] <flyingpenguin123> my wireless still isnt working :(
[04:20] <watchme> re
[04:20] <peter77> jarle, you could wait until the nvidia drivers become available for feisty
[04:21] <stefg> Hmmm, so obviously I'm not the only one on whose system the latest, but not greatest 2.6.20-14 kernel won't run?
[04:21] <jarle> peter77: guess that is the most effort-less solution..
[04:21] <watchme> is there anyone who can tell me how I can find a UUID if blkid doenst give one?
[04:21] <billy> hidan:  there weren't any packages being held back before you updated, right?
[04:22] <gop> updating is like going to the dentist
[04:22] <peter77> jarle, I have a intel chipset so the drivers for mine are opensource
[04:22] <jarle> stefg: the 2.6.20-14-386 kernel is working fine here..
[04:22] <lupine_85> watchme: is it an ext{2,3} device?
[04:22] <gop> it has some painfull stuff
[04:22] <hidan> billy: hmmmm i don't think so.
[04:22] <hidan> billy: ah well, i'll report at Launchpad.
[04:22] <watchme> lupine_85: nope
[04:22] <jarle> peter77: maybe I should just get a new intel-based 3d-card then... any suggestions?
[04:23] <watchme> lupine_85: its NTFS
[04:23] <peter77> lol, the intel cards suck!!
[04:23] <lupine_85> heh, no idea then - maybe it doesn't have one. But you can mount it anyway, just using the device file
[04:23] <watchme> and this is the only thing I've been said... :D
[04:23] <peter77> the only good thing is that it's easy to get drivers
[04:23] <jussi01> flyingpenguin123, can you tell me again whats happening... I can be bothered to scroll back and find what you said..
[04:23] <watchme> lupine_85: thats the point... I dont have a device file
[04:23] <lupine_85> if you don't have a device file, you don't have a device
[04:24] <watchme> sure I have
[04:24] <lupine_85>  /dev/sdxx ?
[04:24] <stefg> jarle: i just updated the 'generic'-one, as i just keep updating the default Desktop install, and it fails at trying to initialize the ohci1394.... i never had something like that before with any kernel. Maybe i should try -386
[04:24] <watchme> it should be there, yes
[04:25] <watchme> but I dont have a /dev/hda (as I did since the update today)
[04:25] <lupine_85> all the hda devices got turned into sda devices
[04:25] <watchme> i know I can mount the sda, but I dont want to
[04:25] <stefg> Same here... funny stuff going on
[04:26] <watchme> I want to mount everything through the UUID, because if they change it back, im in trouble again
[04:26] <stefg> !info vol_id
[04:26] <ubotu> Package vol_id does not exist in feisty
[04:26] <gop>   so 14 days for a offical realse of fiesty
[04:26] <lupine_85> they're not going to change it back, but if it's not got a block ID I don't know how you'd give it one
[04:26] <stefg> means 14 /busy/ days for the kernel hackers :-o
[04:26] <gop> yea
[04:26] <watchme> lupine_85: that sucks ... :(
[04:27] <gop> the kernel hackers get bussy
[04:27] <watchme> ok... I'll change it so sda... :D
[04:28] <watchme> I hope you're right and they will not change it again :D
[04:28] <watchme> otherwise I'll take Debian... it's less work ... :D
[04:29] <jt___> I'm using Ubuntu 7.04 beta with desktop effects.  I've got both effects clicked (windows wobble + cubed), but I don't know how to view / manipulate the cube layout.  Can anyone tell me how to do this?  Thanks
[04:29] <lupine_85> watchme: you might want to check out the ntfsprogs package
[04:29] <lupine_85> it might have something useful in
[04:29] <Ximal> hmm
[04:29] <watchme> this N3 thing?
[04:29] <lupine_85> !info ntfsprogs feisty
[04:29] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.13.1-6 (feisty), package size 267 kB, installed size 700 kB
[04:29] <stefg> But what's really annoying is that i had to reassemble my raid0 array (where Dapper is installed) after feisty failed to boot. I'm content with feisty simply not working, but killing an array which is none of feistys business at this time is somewhat disturbing...
[04:29] <lupine_85> you might be able to give it a label or uuid using a tool in there
[04:29] <gop> cntrl+alt + up down or left or right arrows
[04:29] <jussi01> jt___, ctrl alt left mouse button?
[04:30] <lupine_85> I was going to install it and look for you, but my mirror is down, lol
[04:30] <gop> stefg:  so you also got fiesty not to boot
[04:30] <gop> same here
[04:30] <Stormx2> I give up on effects
[04:30] <watchme> :D thx anyway
[04:30] <jt___> jussi01: that didn't work for me.
[04:30] <Stormx2> What about this media codec manager I've heard about?
[04:30] <peter77> ubuntu feisty fawn seems to take longer to boot than it did after I just installed it.
[04:30] <peter77> I've disabled uneeded startup services but that has made little to no difference!
[04:31] <watchme> lupine_85: how du I find what sde is?
[04:31] <SlimeyPete> peter77: there's an issue with slow bootig due to the networking stuff atm
[04:31] <watchme> -u+o
[04:32] <gop> SlimeyPete:  will it be fixed in offical realse
[04:32] <peter77> SlimeyPete, ahh
[04:32] <NewUser> Can someone help me this ? I just Reboot my System After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in
[04:32] <watchme> lupine_85: I got my HDD with sda1-10 then a sdb (god knows what itis) sdb and sdc as my DVDs and sde (wtf?)
[04:33] <lupine_85> watchme: it's mostly a guessing game
[04:33] <lupine_85> I'd mount them one by one and take a look
[04:33] <lupine_85> fdisk -l (L) might help also
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> gop: I've no idea
[04:33] <lupine_85> Ubuntu would have done better using LVM for everything :/
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> gop: presumably, yes - it's quite bad for some people (including me) and there's a bug report with lots of people complaining about it
[04:34] <watchme> fdisk I tried, but it shows my HDD only :(
[04:34] <watchme> stefg: ACK
[04:34] <rarj> How to install mp3, vcd and dvd codecs under feisty?
[04:34] <watchme> stefg: I had Gentoo for over 4 Years,,,, :(
[04:35] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/426946  <----- Would someone look here at my video card and tell me which package I need to use / install that is with ubuntu to get my maximum 3d effects/benefits back ? please
[04:35] <XamDM> how can i read the dma status of my cdrom-drives ??
[04:35] <watchme> XamDM: hdparm
[04:35] <watchme> man hdparm
[04:35] <XamDM> watchme, does it work with libata ???
[04:36] <hidan> geez this really ... blows, man... update manager is not installing properly... i think i'll kill it and restart the pc.
[04:36] <XamDM> watchme, it does#t work with libata, libata uses the scsi-stack, so hdparm belives that the cdrom is a scsi-drive
[04:37] <watchme> argh
[04:37] <watchme> im sry
[04:38] <NewUser> billy? there ?
[04:38] <NewUser> well im on cmd prompt. with live cd.
[04:39] <NewUser> there is something problem with sh: cant access tty; job control off
[04:40] <stefg> Ximal: Actually the out-of-the box nvidia driver (in restricted-modules) should do it. But I#ve heard of some troubles with this Nvidia...Go-chipsets
[04:40] <billy> NewUser:  you can't boot into your hard drive at all?
[04:40] <AndyCR> im using a geforce go 7600 and its working fine
[04:40] <AndyCR> nvidia-glx
[04:40] <Ximal> i dunno how.. the nividie i was told works by XamDM in main buntu chan..
[04:41] <stefg> Ximal: you did enable the 'restricted'-modules, didnt you?
[04:41] <NewUser> billy: i just boot from live cd
[04:42] <NewUser> billy: i m on (initramfs) this prompt
[04:42] <watchme> does anyone can help me with a broken gconf?
[04:42] <billy> NewUser: you're on dialup right?
[04:42] <watchme> -does
[04:42] <NewUser> billy : i m Using LAN
[04:42] <billy> NewUser: what's you're average download speed?
[04:44] <watchme> I hate feisty by now: the nvidia-glx broke my beryl. now I have to compile the original drivers with any new kernel); it broke my gconf... no one could help me. no one in Google, no one in IRC...; and now I had a day trouble with this fuckin' SCSI shit
[04:44] <PriceChild> !ohmy | watchme
[04:44] <ubotu> watchme: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:45] <PriceChild> If no-one helped you, then no-one at the time knew the answer.
[04:45] <NewUser> billy : i m Using LAN
[04:45] <PriceChild> there _will_ be a legacy nvidia driver in feisty before release.
[04:45] <watchme> PriceChild: I know...
[04:45] <NewUser> billy: dont ask :p its just 8kbs d/l spped.
[04:46] <PriceChild> Remember feisty is not finished. The _ONLY_ reason you are using it is to report bugs and help with triaging / development
[04:46] <watchme> PriceChild: ...but uts frustrating
[04:46] <watchme> -u+i
[04:46] <PriceChild> You have been warned not to use it as your production desktop. So don't be annoyed when it breaks.
[04:46] <watchme> PriceChild: what else should I be? happy?
[04:46] <watchme> laughing and dancing, if my PC breaks?
[04:46] <AndyCR> you are using beta software
[04:47] <watchme> yes
[04:47] <AndyCR> dont want it to break? use released software
[04:47] <watchme> and I know the problems which come with it....
[04:47] <PriceChild> watchme, boot back into your edgy partition
[04:47] <PriceChild> or dapper of course
[04:47] <Hobbsee> watchme: look at the date.  it's easter.  most people arent here.
[04:47] <gop> ahh
[04:48] <watchme> and I dont have ANY problems with the bugs... and I reported many..., but I think its frustrating if there is a bug, and no one can help!
[04:48] <PriceChild> no-one <online at the time> can help
[04:48] <watchme> omg
[04:48] <watchme> in German we call someone like you a "Korinthenkacker"
[04:48] <PriceChild> pardon?
[04:49] <fKn> rofl
[04:49] <TexJoachim> PriceChild: he was insulting you
[04:49] <watchme> rofl :D
[04:49] <watchme> nope:D
[04:49] <gop> !gnome-mount
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-mount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <TexJoachim> watchme: oh yeah
[04:50] <Toma-> is it possible to update a system via chroot?
[04:50] <watchme> TexJoachim: watch your words....
[04:50] <lupine_85> PriceChild: insults are better when you can't understand them ;)
[04:50] <PriceChild> lupine_85, hehe :)
[04:50] <gop> !cursing
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cursing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <watchme> dict.leo.org says "Korinthenkacker" is something like nitpicker :D
[04:51] <PriceChild> Lets move on please
[04:51] <watchme> k....
[04:52] <Toma-> trying to update a broken feisty via chroot but it wont resolve anything :<
[04:52] <watchme> Toma-: ?
[04:52] <dnl> Is anyone using the latest version of Wine (0.9.34) on Feisty?
[04:52] <Toma-> watchme: fesity kernel wont load ndiswrapper or rtl8180. so i need to update in order to get on the net.
[04:53] <watchme> Toma-: why doesn't it load ndiswrapper? any errorsin dmesg?
[04:53] <billy> dnl: i'm still using .33
[04:53] <cliebow_> anyone have a link for feisty iso?
[04:53] <Toma-> watchme: no. ndiswrapper loads fine with no errors in dmesg or /var/log/messages
[04:53] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/426962 please loook here.. i got this far with XamDM helping  me
[04:54] <billy> !daily | cliebow
[04:54] <ubotu> cliebow: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[04:54] <Ximal> do i need to restart x now ?
[04:54] <Toma-> watchme: its aliased to wlan0, but still wont make a network interface when loaded
[04:54] <dnl> 0.9.34 isn't in the deb repository, but it is in the the winehq edgy repository.  Would the edgy package work with 7.04?
[04:54] <watchme> I don't understand why you want to chroot because ndiswrapper isnt working?!?
[04:54] <Poul^Laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14199/   i dont know how to use smbmount i think :(
[04:55] <gop> !samba > Poul^Laptop
[04:55] <Toma-> watchme: i have a working edgy install, fesity's networking is busted beyond belief. if i can update the kernel to something with a non-bugged option of rtl8180, i can get on the internet fine (i hope)
[04:55] <billy> dnl: i wouldn't try that.
[04:56] <watchme> Toma-: the first thing, I would do is to read the errors in dmesg.. normally there is a fix too :D
[04:56] <cliebow_> Toma-:good to know i thought it was me..but works awesome on ppc'
[04:57] <dnl> billy: Would apt-get build-dep wine, and manually building the sources be better?
[04:57] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/426962 please loook here.. i got this far with XamDM helping  me
[04:57] <Ximal> do i need to restart x now ?
[04:57] <Toma-> watchme: there is, no errors. not 1. i have looked in every log. no errors.
[04:57] <watchme> but: If you chroot : dont forget to mount /dev and /proc and so on to /chroot/
[04:57] <billy> dnl: it would be better than using the edgy package, yes.
[04:58] <Toma-> atm, im only getting resolve issues with chroot
[04:58] <watchme> which one?
[04:59] <Toma-> apt-get update ... getting package from thisplace.com (error cannot resolve thisplace.com)
[04:59] <Toma-> and so on
[05:00] <Poul^Laptop> gop yes :P
[05:00] <watchme> jo
[05:00] <watchme> you dont have a network connection
[05:00] <gop> what works great on ppc
[05:00] <gop> cliebow_:  what works great
[05:00] <Toma-> yeh. not on the chroot environment. spose i should change /etc/resolv.conf?
[05:00] <watchme> if you chroot to /my/feisty/system you have to mount /dev /my/feisty/system
[05:01] <NewUser> Can someone help me this ? I just Reboot my System And boot with livecd After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in. And " sh: cant access tty; job control off "
[05:01] <watchme> do you have a connection in edgy?
[05:01] <NewUser> now i m on something (initramfs) this prompt
[05:01] <Toma-> yep
[05:01] <watchme> and there you can apt-get ?
[05:02] <Toma-> i have mounted the fesity system, chrooted to it...
[05:02] <Toma-> yep
[05:02] <watchme> ok.. cool
[05:02] <watchme> so with this you chroot to your feisty system ?
[05:02] <Turms> i'm trying to install feisty on this pc, two questions 1) why there isn't live-expert mode in rc1 ? 2) why it doesn't make any duifference between scsi and ata disks? i have 2 scsi e 3 ata but they are all named /dev/sd*
[05:02] <Toma-> im guessing i should jusy compile a new kernel for feisty
[05:02] <cliebow_> gop:feisty in ppc
[05:02] <Toma-> watchme: indeed.
[05:03] <gop> I tought they stoped ppc development
[05:03] <gop> I am on eddgy ppc right know
[05:03] <cliebow_> it is community now
[05:03] <Toma-> whats the latest kernel build number?
[05:03] <gop> sweet
[05:03] <gop> does it workgood
[05:03] <watchme> so then you forgot to mount your /dev/ and your /proc to your feisty system
[05:03] <cliebow_> gop:i wont say i didnt have my confusions getting this far..
[05:03] <watchme> without that you dont have any devices in your chroot envoirement
[05:04] <Toma-> watchme: ok. thanks
[05:04] <cliebow_> broadcom support still a little wonky'
[05:04] <NewUser> can anyone help ? coz now i want to install it anyhow. i check the cd media .. its fine..
[05:04] <watchme> np
[05:04] <finalbeta> broadcom support improved, but ti's still horrible, running at 11Mbit.
[05:05] <dnl> Is there any current documentation for using XGL with 7.04?
[05:05] <cliebow_> gop:two things i Really miss in ppc....nx..and java
[05:05] <watchme> I'll take ndiswrapper since I can use WPA with my acx111 :D
[05:05] <finalbeta> cliebow: really? There's no package at sun.com for ppc?
[05:05] <finalbeta> strange
[05:06] <cliebow_> not that i found..i had sbalneav poke around too..
[05:07] <cliebow_> kaffe does sort of work,,slow as a dog i found it
[05:07] <gop> flash
[05:08] <gop> no flash
[05:08] <watchme> does anyone know, if I can copy a gconf from xubuntu to ubuntu?
[05:10] <finalbeta> watchme: no, it might not crash everything up, but I would recommend doing it.
[05:12] <watchme> hmmmz
[05:12] <finalbeta> I mean, woudln't recommend
[05:13] <finalbeta> bleh
[05:13] <cliebow_> gop:there is obviously java for ppc running osx...but no instaal candidate for feisty
[05:13] <watchme> Im searching for a way out ;) :D
[05:13] <gop> true but thier no flash
[05:13] <watchme> ok... Ill change to X-Chat :D
[05:15] <dnl> With the Feisty release coming up, it seems there are a lot of packages changing.. does anyone know when the freeze is?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> dnl: which one?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> main's frozen now, The Big Final Freeze is on the 12th
[05:16] <dnl> Hobbsee: ok
[05:16] <dnl> Hobbsee: Does that freeze include universe?
[05:16] <shirish> today is the most boring of days, no new updates, no new features, I am gonna dump this repo the day the new repo feisty+1 is there
[05:16] <Hobbsee> the big one?  yes.
[05:17] <shirish> part-time masochist here :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: you dont want to use feisty+1 in the first few weeks
[05:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: learn to package, etc.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: and bug triage.
[05:17] <shirish> yucks
[05:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: that'll give you something useful to do.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dnl: why, what were you after?
[05:18] <shirish> I saw the bug triage thing, it is a full-time job without any appreciation
[05:18] <shirish> !bug-triage
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug-triage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <dnl> Hobbsee: I am wondering when to apt-get upgrade this live CD.  (and was wondering if there was still time for wine 0.9.34 in universe)
[05:19] <watchme> re
[05:19] <watchme> aaahh.. thats better :D
[05:19] <Mena> Hi, Why kernel 2.6.20.13 don;t detect th hddtemp sensor
[05:19] <Hobbsee> dnl: doubt it.  check the bugs for wine on launchpad
[05:19] <tman_ubuntu> question about upgrading to fiesty and moving profile with clean install.
[05:20] <shirish> watchme: how did u change your colors to green?
[05:20] <watchme> ?!?
[05:20] <NewUser> hai now i m on step 4. Prepare Partition.. And i want to install fiesty in edgy partition.. And on screen there is ext3 partition.. now how can i use that partition for fiesty?
[05:20] <shirish> I mean your handle name or is it some feature in GAIM?
[05:20] <Toma-> watchme: im off to fight yet another losing battle against ndiswrapper. :) wish me luck.
[05:20] <watchme> GAIM?
[05:21] <shirish> which client are u using to talk?
[05:21] <watchme> X-Chat2
[05:21] <shirish> !info gaim
[05:21] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta6-1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1700 kB, installed size 4808 kB
[05:21] <shirish> ah ok
[05:21] <NewUser> shirish:  now i m on step 4. Prepare Partition.. And i want to install fiesty in edgy partition.. And on screen there is ext3 partition.. now how can i use that partition for fiesty?
[05:21] <NewUser> shirish: first delete it? or any other thing?
[05:22] <watchme> shirish: Im not green?!?
[05:22] <shirish> NewUser: delete the partition
[05:22] <NewUser> shirish: okie then?
[05:22] <tman_ubuntu> i have my profile on edgy on it's own partition (/home).  would like to bring it over to a clean install of fiesty.  How to do this?
[05:22] <watchme> nor is my X-Chat :D
[05:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: it's a feature in gaim
[05:22] <shirish> watchme: now you were brown but that is when people addres me
[05:22] <Hobbsee> tman_ubuntu: dont forward the /home and tell the installer to mount it as /home
[05:22] <watchme> what clint are you using?
[05:23] <watchme> KvIRC or something like that?
[05:23] <shirish> tman_ubuntu: simple, first see that all your docs & stuff you cant lose back it up
[05:23] <tman_ubuntu> right.  my question is though, user setup.
[05:23] <shirish> watchme: gaim
[05:23] <NewUser> shirish: now there is free space of 20gb. tehre
[05:23] <NewUser> *there
[05:23] <tman_ubuntu> when fiesty asks me to set up users, how do i tell it to use my user name and passwrd from the edgy profile?
[05:24] <shirish> NewUser: then give some space for / and a swap partition
[05:24] <NewUser> shirish: i had already swap in /dev/sda7 its showing there
[05:24] <NewUser> shirish: so remove swap too? then make it back again?
[05:24] <shirish> NewUser: yup remove the swap
[05:24] <NewUser> shirish: okie
[05:24] <shirish> NewUser: the way is always remove the last partition, then the one before that
[05:25] <shirish> NewUser: so you should have removed swap first, then your /
[05:25] <NewUser> shirish okie .. dont know that.. sorry!
[05:25] <shirish> NewUser: no issues we all learn by making mistakes , I still do :)
[05:26] <dnl> Hobbsee: Are things such as the livecd installer frozen?  (i.e. would apt-get upgrade on a "daily" live CD work to make it up-to-date with the final release?)
[05:26] <shirish> NewUser: anyways, now give some space for /
[05:26] <NewUser> shirish: mount point is / for ext3?
[05:26] <tman_ubuntu> shirish: when fiesty asks to setup a new user, how do i connect it to the existing profile?
[05:26] <shirish> NewUser: yup
[05:26] <shirish> tman_ubuntu: no idea about that one m8 never tried like that
[05:27] <shirish> NewUser: make sure to set the bootable flag there or a checkbox something like that must be there
[05:27] <shirish> NewUser: is there?
[05:27] <NewUser> there is just 5 tabs.
[05:27] <NewUser> yes i m
[05:28] <NewUser> device, type, mount point, format?, size
[05:28] <Draconicus> I'll be back in a bit. I've got some work to do that requires X-Chat being closed.
[05:28] <shirish> NewUser: what is in type?
[05:28] <NewUser> for / i select type ext3
[05:28] <NewUser> type is filesystem
[05:29] <jimmy_> hey guys, i tried turning on desktop effects, and it doesnt work, it says couldnt be enabled, im using a thinkpad t42 laptop with a radeon mobility 7500
[05:29] <shirish> NewUser: just a minute, I am trying to find the screenshots for installing through the GUI
[05:30] <NewUser> shirish: sure
[05:30] <jimmy_> is it possible because i installed is it possibly because i installed xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[05:31] <ace> hi all
[05:31] <ace> i have a problem with the alternative installer disk
[05:31] <shirish> NewUser: there is this place called shots.osdir.com for screenshots of almost all linux distros currently
[05:32] <NewUser> shirish: ty.. let me chk it.
[05:32] <Poul^Laptop> gop, still here?
[05:32] <shirish> NewUser: yup cool, unfortunately it does not have 7.04 screenshots
[05:32] <Ashbringer> Hello, how would I edit my grub config to auto-boot from the latest kernel over a self-compiled one?
[05:33] <shirish> NewUser: but it does have 6.06 screenies wanna look at them
[05:33] <NewUser> shirish: if 7.04 not there :S so
[05:33] <ace> I have IDE drives but it clearly said on the installer that it was SCSI, thats the problem, and it wrote fstab with entries pointing to sda and sdb which do not exist, however there are /dev/hda and hdb, so i'm guessing that there is a problem with the installer, its detecting IDE disks as SCSI
[05:33] <watchme> why are there screens of a DISTRIBUTION?
[05:33] <NewUser> shirish: i install 6.06 And 6.10 create partition my self.. but.. dont know the new Migrate Documents And Settings. Step Creating a Problem.
[05:33] <Poul^Laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14199/   still dont know know to use this :(
[05:33] <NewUser> watchme: shots.osdir.com
[05:34] <finalbeta> ace: fstab with /dev/hda in Feisty? Fiesty uses !uuid's
[05:34] <watchme> I mean, I can make a Knoppix looking like SuSE and a gentoo look like ubuntu....
[05:34] <ace> i know but the #entries shows sda and sdb, i'll show you
[05:34] <shirish> NewUser: I did not come across that hence cannot give guidance there I made a clean install on hdd
[05:35] <watchme> finalbeta: btw: I changed it to sda and it works too, because my NTFS-partition doesnt have a UUID
[05:35] <NewUser> shirish: same as before. its getting stuck on This new Step. Migrate Documentes And Settings.
[05:35] <finalbeta> watchme: yeah, ntfs can't have uuid's.
[05:35] <watchme> so there is no chance to mount a NTFS per UUID?
[05:35] <ace> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14207/
[05:35] <shirish> NewUser: no idea about that one m8
[05:36] <Hidan> man finally... Finally, Feisty downloads the update files. pfftt... it took me so many tries to keep it going 'cos update manager kept crashing or X kept crashing/freezing.
[05:36] <NewUser> shirish: nevamind dude.. this New step.. getting problem here.
[05:36] <ace> UUID seems so random, what is it?
[05:36] <NewUser> is anyone fimiliar with the new installation Step. Migrate Documents And Settings?
[05:36] <Poul^Laptop> Anyone who can tell me how i can see the shared files of a computer which i know the ip of?
[05:36] <finalbeta> watchme: UUID's are stored in the master block of ext2/3 partitions before the journal. Linux doesn't write to ntfs at all, so no UUID's are created for it.
[05:37] <shirish> NewUser: did u see wiki.ubuntu.com for this step?
[05:37] <ace> but i use xfs
[05:37] <Hidan> shirish: yo good to see ya, man.
[05:37] <watchme> finalbeta: linux writes to ntfs with this new 3N thing
[05:37] <lupine_85> ace: a series of random digits ;)
[05:37] <shirish> Hidan: hi :)
[05:37] <xtknight> why wouldn't you be able to mount ntfs via uuid?
[05:37] <NewUser> shirish i checked the wiki.. but not Found any thing.. coz.. on this step.. nothing happend. :<
[05:37] <ace> lupine_85: why use that instead of /dev/hda and stuff?
[05:37] <xtknight> type "blkid" to grab a uuid for your disk
[05:37] <shirish> watchme: that is ntfs-3g
[05:37] <Hidan> xtknight: HEY!!! Howdy!!!!
[05:37] <lupine_85> ace: no idea
[05:38] <xtknight> ohh ehh you're right ntfs doesn't have 'em :O
[05:38] <lupine_85> I do use the device files :D
[05:38] <watchme> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html
[05:38] <Hidan> xtknight: oh if you're wondering, feisty's been having some nasty issues but I think the updates are straightening some of them. :)
[05:38] <Hidan> xtknight: but this time round, at least i can install programs. =p
[05:38] <finalbeta> ace: apparently the uuid's are randomly created, they might use things like /dev/rand and the ethernet address, or so I've googled...
[05:38] <shirish> Hidan: if and when they come
[05:39] <lupine_85> working :D
[05:39] <Ashbringer> Can anyone help me switch what kernel I'm using from a custom-compiled one to the latest binary image? Can I just move the entry up in menu.lst?
[05:39] <lupine_85> or relaxing
[05:39] <Hidan> shirish: hm? what do you mean by "if and when they come"?
[05:39] <finalbeta> watchme: yeah I know, but the file system still has to support uuid's, linux can't just write a uuid on it where it wants. So one can assume ntfs doesn't support them.
[05:39] <lupine_85> this being a religious holiday and stuff
[05:39] <xtknight> Hidan, ive helepd with too many problems to remember yours.  was it the printer/usb?
[05:39] <xtknight> ;P
[05:40] <shirish> Hidan: I have also subscribed to feisty-changes mailing list, which sends a mail of any new updates
[05:40] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah it was the printer memory slot being read as a hard disk... and also, some problem of xserver-core crashing non-stop and giving me plenty of problems.
[05:40] <shirish> Hidan: no mail for last 8 hrs. except for 1 but it had couple of xfce updates
[05:40] <finalbeta> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml (rss feed for changes in fesity)
[05:40] <ace> Is there a forum or somewhere where people discuss the look of kubuntu, i want the devs to use QtCurve so gtk and qt apps match
[05:40] <Hidan> xtknight: as a result, lots of pple recommended i get feisty.
[05:41] <xtknight> ahh
[05:41] <[Phaedrus] > any suggestions on a commandline torrent client?
[05:41] <ace> libtorrent?
[05:41] <shirish> NewUser: your issue is being solved today I think, it seems the migration assistant is borked or something
[05:41] <[Phaedrus] > ace: it works?
[05:41] <xtknight> libtorrent is a library
[05:41] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah, Feisty was okay until X started freezing randomly on me. I'd do cold reboots until someone advised me to try alt+ magic keys. =)
[05:41] <ace> no idea
[05:42] <[Phaedrus] > yeah, i know.. thats why i asked :)
[05:42] <xtknight> [Phaedrus] , apt-cache search torrent
[05:42] <dnl> Is the CVS package in feisty broken?  I am getting a CVSROOT error when I try to check anything out.
[05:42] <[Phaedrus] > Hidan: that worked?
[05:42] <xtknight> original torrent .py was command line
[05:42] <xtknight> i think
[05:42] <xtknight> Hidan, hah i love Magic
[05:42] <shirish> NewUser: http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/migration-assistant/0.4.5
[05:42] <ace> xtknight: hm... i saw libtorrent listed as the client someone was using so i had a guess
[05:42] <xtknight> ace, libtorrent is likely the library that is the basis of many clients
[05:42] <xtknight> but it is not a client itself
[05:43] <Hidan> [phaedrus]  hell yeah... it worked like 99% of the time, except for once when there was a kernel crash... 'cos i left my printer on while booting into Ubuntu. Needless to say, Ubuntu kept trying to read a "non-existant hard disk" and bam! everything crashed.
[05:43] <[Phaedrus] > heh.
[05:43] <Hidan> xtknight: hell yeah, YUIM is good.
[05:44] <Hidan> xtknight: oh good 41 mins left till the next installation of upgrades.
[05:45] <Hidan> xtknight: ever since I installed the new upgrades, there're less problems now. Gnome-system-log and Gnome-system-monitor don't keep crashing on me.
[05:46] <Hidan> xtknight: Feisty's performance seems slightly better. However, given that it's about 1 hour since I installed the updates, who knows...
[05:46] <xtknight> Hidan, same here, i like feisty's speed advantage
[05:47] <Hidan> xtknight: before, darn... every application was lagging and WinXP seemed like Heaven compared to Ubuntu. :p
[05:47] <xtknight> Hidan, feisty lives up to its name
[05:47] <ace> i wonder if its possible to update from warty to breezy to dapper to edgy to feisty all without reinstalling it, just using apt-get
[05:47] <Hidan> xtknight: lol... feisty fawn...
[05:47] <finalbeta> xtknight: speed advantage?
[05:47] <finalbeta> Where?
[05:47] <xtknight> finalbeta, faster kernel it seems
[05:47] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[05:47] <Hidan> xtknight: be careful it doesn't chase you around the town!
[05:48] <xtknight> will Feisty implement a realtime/dynticks/tickless kernel ?
[05:49] <exlt> hi all - this mornings update now gives me desktop icons - one for another local mounted partition, and another for an unknown unmountable device called 'SERVICEV001' - there is nothing in ~/Desktop, nor have I seen this behavior before - my love of xfce is that it does not do odd auto-things unless I tell it to..  any help on disabling whatever this is - I have looked for new unfamiliar processes, and have not put my finger on it.. this is on xubuntu/f
[05:51] <Poul^Laptop> How do i see the shared files of pc with ip a.b.c.d?
[05:52] <greyman_> anyone seen this with 7.04 on a fresh install      /bin/sh: Can't access tty; Job control turned off
[05:53] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: how are they shared?  nfs, smb, etc.
[05:53] <Poul^Laptop> windows shared
[05:53] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, windows shared files
[05:54] <exlt> smbclient -L host
[05:54] <Hidan> xtknight: holy moly, Feisty seems to not freeze again! :) Btw, how long have you been using Linux?
[05:54] <Poul^Laptop> i can then see  "Ny mappe" is shared. how do i mount that so i can acces the files in it
[05:55] <Poul^Laptop> exlt,
[05:56] <jarle> How can I find out which package provides /usr/share/qt3/doc/html/linguist.dcf ?
[05:56] <stevedm> Feisty doesn't connect to the network on startup. I must always go and click on network -> Wired network for it to connect. Is this bug known?
[05:56] <xtknight> Hidan, 5 years off and on
[05:56] <anandanbu> i have a problem in mounting the windows drives in Ubuntu 7.04. I have installed Ubuntu in a separate primary partition how do i correct it
[05:56] <xtknight> Hidan, uesd it regularly for about 8 months straight now
[05:57] <Hidan> xtknight: nice, awesome!
[05:57] <xtknight> ubuntu is what got me staying
[05:57] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: mount -t smbfs //host/share /mnt/point (depending on if it is authenticated you may need '-o username=user,password=pass')
[05:57] <xtknight> tried about 100 distros
[05:57] <darx> i need an audio player that is frugal with resources
[05:57] <darx> any suggestions
[05:57] <xtknight> redhat 7 , suse 7 etc back in the day.  then all the fedoras
[05:57] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, dont think any authenticating should be needed, but will check
[05:57] <Hidan> xtknight: actually, i'm likely to switch to ubuntu almost full-time(except for playing all my games. don't really wanna use cedenga.)
[05:58] <Poul^Laptop> exlt,  is it not smbmount ?
[05:58] <xtknight> Hidan, i just dualboot for games
[05:58] <xtknight> like my xp for gaming
[05:58] <exlt> you can use smbmount, if you want, Poul^Laptop - it is just an alias to mount -t smbfs
[05:58] <Hidan> xtknight: all right, man! 30 mins!!!!  same here, i plan to do that except i haven't really used xp for days.
[05:58] <stevedm> Where can I ask Feisty network related question?
[05:58] <xtknight> Hidan, make sure you dont forget how to use windows.  it is harder to use ;P
[05:58] <darx> stevedm: here
[05:59] <exlt> jarle: dpkg --search /path/to/file
[05:59] <xtknight> and there's no dmesg
[05:59] <xtknight> oh windows sucks
[05:59] <Poul^Laptop> exlt so if i use smb mount, it would be smbmount //host/share /media/windowshare  ect
[05:59] <stevedm> darx: Feisty doesn't connect to the network on startup. I must always go and click on network -> Wired network for it to connect. Is this bug known?
[05:59] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: looks right
[06:00] <Hidan> xtknight: oh lol... don't worry, my family's laptop is on Windows and no, my mother has enough problems using WinXP already. God forbid if she tries to use command line. :P
[06:00] <Poul^Laptop> "Ny mappe"  the space is % something right=?  exlt
[06:00] <stevedm> darx: Dapper didn't have this problem. As soon as I log on it's connected to network.
[06:00] <jarle> exlt: thank you, I was looking at apt-cache for an option..
[06:00] <ace> Its strange, i don't feel that kubuntu is well presented on its first startup, when i reinstalled it i felt sad
[06:00] <darx> stevedm: put a script on rc.local.. that'll fix it
[06:00] <darx> thats /etc/rc.local
[06:00] <exlt> or escape it - Ny\ mappe
[06:00] <greyman_> anyone seen issues with an alternative install of 7.04
[06:01] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, ye right :)
[06:01] <greyman_> settting up software raid
[06:01] <ace> greyman_: i had issues with the alternative install
[06:01] <ace> greyman_: with the beta disk
[06:01] <Toma-> Ok! i got network up and running :)
[06:01] <ace> greyman_: it detected my IDE disks as SCSI for some reason
[06:01] <greyman_> ace: how did you fix it?
[06:01] <Toma-> it was a buggy version of ndiswrapper.
[06:01] <stevedm> darx: We'll Joe new user can't do that. This need to be raised as a bug. Do you know which packages the bug relates too? BTW: you have an example of a such script.
[06:02] <rambo3> !uuid |ace
[06:02] <greyman_> I am using SATA disks
[06:02] <ace> greyman_: i just let it install and it worked because it used UUIDs i didn't use raid, so the problem was avoided
[06:02] <ubotu> ace: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:02] <darx> stevedm: ok.. did you try all the settings
[06:02] <darx> in network manager?
[06:02] <darx> that was the last resort
[06:02] <darx> if nothing works
[06:03] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14217/
[06:03] <jimmy_> anyone feel like helping me get compiz to work again?
[06:03] <stevedm> darx: I went in all config and there was no options that relates to that. My config was right in these menus.
[06:03] <jimmy_> when i click enable desktop effects, it now says unable
[06:04] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: drop the trailing slash on the share name - x.x.x.x/Ny\ mappe
[06:04] <ace> greyman_: see how the installer wrote sda instad of hda in the comments in fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14218/
[06:04] <stevedm> darx: I hesitated to raise as a bug because I don't want to make these guys waste time but not it seems it's a real issue.
[06:04] <Hidan> right... 13 mins left...
[06:04] <darx> stevedm: i'm right now in xubuntu.. so i don't know the menu options for ubuntu.. however, i can suggest some alternatives..
[06:04] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, now when its mountet, then what, i just go look in the the folderi mountet it to?=
[06:04] <ace> maybe mine worked because uuids were used, maybe with raid and sata and the problem really shows?
[06:05] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: ls -l /mnt/point  :)
[06:05] <greyman_> get blkid not found
[06:05] <darx> stevedm: when you reboot next time, ifup the interface you are having trouble with..
[06:05] <greyman_> do I need to boot from a cd and start a rescue
[06:05] <stevedm> darx: like what? I'm fine for clicking the button but Joe NewUser will be confused. Linux needs to be as easy  as possible.
[06:06] <darx> stevedm: just a sec.. i'll guide you..
[06:06] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, should i do anything to unmount it again when i am done?
[06:06] <ace> stevedm: funny you say that because NewUser was just in here a moment ago
[06:06] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: umount /mnt/point
[06:06] <darx> stevedm: i'm not in ubuntu.. so i can give you an overview of how things are so next time you'll be more informed ok..
[06:06] <stevedm> ace: oops didn't meant to finger point :-)
[06:06] <Poul^Laptop> do i need to unmount first, or can i just mount to the same place with another host?
[06:06] <stevedm> darx: ok thanks.
[06:06] <darx> stevedm: would you like me to explain?
[06:07] <darx> ok
[06:07] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: you should be able to mount the share on multiple hosts - it is a file server  ;)
[06:07] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, thx
[06:07] <darx> stevedm: you can find your active interface by using the command ifconfig
[06:07] <stevedm> darx: if it's quick yes else I prefer to raise a bug. Again, I'm chasing this issue mostly for it to be easy for new user.
[06:07] <stevedm> darx: ok for ifconfig
[06:08] <darx> you'll find something like eth0 and lo
[06:08] <stevedm> darx: ok mine is eth0
[06:08] <greyman_> do we still have to use alternate install for systems we want to set up a software raid
[06:08] <stevedm> darx: the setup of the interface is ok. It's just that the connection is not ON by default.
[06:09] <shirish> anybody a good gtk+ editor unlike gedit which consumes lot of  resources
[06:09] <darx> stevedm: lemme finish..
[06:09] <Toma-> shirish: mousepad
[06:09] <shirish> !info mousepad
[06:09] <ace> updating packages is taking longer than the download??????
[06:09] <ubotu> mousepad: simple Xfce oriented text editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.12-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 652 kB
[06:09] <stevedm> darx: ok
[06:09] <darx> stevedm: next time you reboot, try sudo ifup eth0 --force
[06:09] <ace> anyone had that?
[06:09] <darx> if that works
[06:09] <stevedm> darx: ok
[06:10] <darx> all you have to do is put that command in rc.local file
[06:10] <shirish> Toma-: it is xfce based, I am looking for more gnome-based thing, dont want to pull more libraries then already have
[06:10] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, one last thing :) why cant i just mount all which are shared on a host x.x.x.x  instead of having to mount x.x.x.x/folder1  x.x.x.x/folder2
[06:10] <darx> that is the script file that gets executed at the beginning of every session
[06:10] <Toma-> shirish: pretty sure its independant from xfce (afaik) do you know what it depends on?
[06:11] <shirish> Toma:- nope have not seen that as of yet
[06:11] <stevedm> darx: that's it?
[06:11] <Toma-> shirish: ahh nm, needs some xfce stuff, not much tho
[06:12] <shirish> I really hope that this Click n run comes soon, it will make things easier to look around
[06:12] <darx> stevedm: thats it.. now you learned that you can run scripts at startup in addition to how to enable your network interface.. now you might be having a bug or a misconfiguration. but this way you can make sure your interface runs
[06:12] <stevedm> darx: I don't have that on bu Dapper and my interface is up at bootup?
[06:12] <Lucifiel> ggeez X froze at least 3 times in the last 5 mins... pfftt.
[06:12] <greyman_> Is there anyway to install a system with software raid other than alternate
[06:13] <darx> stevedm: true that might be a bug or a misconfiguration.. but this is one of the workarounds..
[06:13] <darx> since i'm not on ubuntu, i cant help you with the ui based configs
[06:13] <greyman_> or a way to fix a system when it is trying its first boot after install
[06:14] <darx> stevedm: and the file is /etc/init.d/rc.local
[06:14] <darx> open it with root privilages
[06:14] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: the file server is configured as separate shares
[06:14] <stevedm> darx: thanks. Do you know what I can compare between my Dapper and Feisty so that I can see where is the problem to help debugging this pb. I already look in /etc/network/interfaces and my eth0 was configure so I couldn't understand why it was not up by default.
[06:15] <stevedm> darx: is there another network file to tell which one to enable by default?
[06:15] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, ye i figured. But that means its not posible to mount all shares fround on a host.
[06:15] <Poul^Laptop> Guess i could write a script for that :P
[06:15] <exlt> script it..
[06:15] <darx> stevedm: there is network startup scripts, but those may confuse normal people like you and me
[06:16] <Poul^Laptop> you dont happen to have such script laying around :)
[06:16] <stevedm> darx: and which startup script are you think?
[06:17] <stevedm> thinking?
[06:17] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: just #!/bin/sh at the top, throw all your mount commands in it, and put it in /usr/local/bin  - that is exactly how I have a bunch of nfs and smb mounts for work - I do not put them in fstab, because I am not always in the office
[06:18] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: then I just 'sudo mount_netfs' because it is in my path
[06:19] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: my script is at /usr/local/bin/mount_netfs to clarify that
[06:19] <Poul^Laptop> good idea ;) thx. I am just get a project from a friend over hamachi. But i got the share mountet now i am to get. But if i mount 2 shares to same mount point, i can only see the one i mountet last.
[06:19] <darx> stevedm: /etc/rc.d/networking
[06:19] <Poul^Laptop> ye exlt, did understand it when you said it first :)
[06:19] <darx> don't mess around with it unless you have a back up
[06:20] <dissonans> I have two networking interfaces, eth0 and eth1 of which I am only using eth1, how can I make the networking init script ignore eth0?
[06:20] <stevedm> do you know why it's not invoked in /etc/rc2.d ? I don't see S??networking.
[06:21] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: you have to mount them to separate mount points - they are probably both still mounted if you run 'mount' but you only see one filesystem - I have /mnt/netfs/mountpt1, /mnt/netfs/mountpt2, /mnt/netfs/mountpt3, etc.
[06:21] <Poul^Laptop> exlt. But now, i can just cp /mount/point/ ~/download    to get all the content in the share?
[06:21] <stevedm> darx: must be called by another script?
[06:21] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, ok
[06:22] <darx> stevedm: you might also want to raise a bug if you are positive that you are having a bug
[06:22] <stevedm> darx: I'll do that
[06:22] <darx> but you can work around it
[06:22] <darx> for the time being
[06:22] <stevedm> darx: the time window is closing. I think feisty is for a release in april. They should do another beta before final
[06:23] <darx> just be positive that youve tried all the gui options
[06:23] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, thatsd with the -r agument. But now its copying. anyway to see the status, how fast its downloadig and when its done?
[06:23] <dissonans> let me rephrase: how can I disable network interfaces in Ubuntu via the command line?
[06:24] <CarlFK> dissonans: ifconfig eth0 down
[06:24] <darx> stevedm:i just uninstalled ubuntu for xubuntu.. and i'm sorry i cant guide you straightforward
[06:24] <stevedm> darx: I'll do. Which package should be flagged? netbase?
[06:24] <dissonans> CarlFK: on a permanent basis, so that the networking doesn't try to get a dhcp lease for it
[06:24] <stevedm> darx: netbase contains /etc/init.d/networking
[06:24] <dissonans> the networking init script
[06:25] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: you could use 'cp -av /source/* ~/targetdir/' to see keep timestamps, permissions, etc. (-a) and progress (-v)
[06:25] <CarlFK> dissonans: edit  /etc/network/interfaces
[06:25] <darx> stevedm: network manager would be more appropriate I guess
[06:25] <darx> i'm not sure though
[06:25] <dissonans> CarlFK: thanks
[06:26] <CarlFK> dissonans: er, that will deal with the boot scripts - is that what you wnat?
[06:26] <dissonans> yes
 sudo ifdown eth0  (assuming eth0 is your interface)
[06:26] <exlt> Poul^Laptop: better yet, look at rsync  ;)
[06:26] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, no timestamps tho but, ye showing the file its cp
[06:26] <Poul^Laptop> exlt, rsync+
[06:26] <Poul^Laptop> ?
[06:26] <stevedm> darx: thanks very much. Have a great day
[06:28] <dissonans> ok, now the network comes up way faster thanks
[06:28] <dissonans> is there a known issue with opera in later iterations of feisty btw?
[06:29] <darx> stevedm: you too...hope i helped.. :)
[06:29] <ace> Hi all
[06:29] <dissonans> it won't work for me since a couple of days, it aborts almost immediately
[06:29] <dissonans> dumps core
[06:33] <Toma-> whats the deal with nvidia drivers in feisty?
[06:36] <greyman_> how do you correct mdadm error on boot if you can not get to the file system
[06:36] <greyman_> talking about bug 832312
[06:36] <greyman_> err 83231
[06:39] <Sp3nc3> having issue getting xorg running the nvidia driver.
[06:39] <Sp3nc3> (not the nv driver, nvidia driver)
[06:40] <gop> I am getting error 15 file not found in grub
[06:40] <gop> know that I booted with grub cd
[06:44] <gop> billy where the auto fix
[06:44] <RonnyAtHome> Hi
[06:51] <stevedm> darx: Are you there?
[06:52] <darx> stevedm: yup
[06:52] <stevedm> darx: seems someone reported the problem; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/94095
[06:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 94095 in network-manager "Ethernet interface not configured at boot time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:53] <darx> stevedm: ah.. go for the workaround then..
[06:53] <stevedm> darx: thanks have a good day
[06:53] <darx> try ifup eth0 --force.. if that works
[06:53] <slackern> ohh deluge 5.x was nice, hope it gets into feisty
[06:54] <darx> add that to the rc.local script
[06:54] <darx> might wanna read some basic shell scripting
[06:54] <darx> best of luck
[06:55] <CarlFK> trying to install feisty alternate in a qemu VM - it can't find any drives - installer's dmesg shows "ide0: I/O resource 0x3F6-0x3F6 not free. ... ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe" - anyone know what is going on?
[06:58] <stevedm> darx: thanks I'll try that some time tommorow
[06:59] <darx> stevedm: no problems and happy hacking.. ;)
[07:01] <enyc> CarlFK: thats oddd... erm.. does it work in other verison of qemu ? do other ubuntu versions work?
[07:02] <CarlFK> haven't tired
[07:02] <guillem101> feisty stops a while during booting at "configuring network interfaces" (about 40 secs). Is it normal?
[07:02] <enyc> CarlFK: I know there were known problems with some feisty testing version...
[07:03] <enyc> CarlFK: (and some PATA controller )
[07:03] <CarlFK> I'll try.. um.. edgy
[07:03] <enyc> CarlFK: try booting knoppix iso -- edgy live  as well etc...
[07:03] <CarlFK> is that the current stable - I get confused..
[07:03] <enyc> CarlFK: see if you can narrow down the failure circumstances more specfifcally
[07:04] <enyc> CarlFK: well Dapper = Long Term Support 'stable' ,   edgy = most recent stable, but actually somewhat problematic for some things
[07:04] <enyc> CarlFK: feisty should be good ;-)
[07:04] <jimmy_> anyone feel like helping me get compiz to work again?
[07:04] <jimmy_> when i click enable desktop effects, it now says unable
[07:05] <CarlFK> enyc: know anyting about qemu and -boot n ? (pxe boot)
[07:05] <enyc> CarlFK: unfortunately not
[07:06] <enyc> jimmy_: I cant get it to work at all .. lol
[07:06] <pecisk> jimmy_: do glxinfo | grep Direct
[07:06] <pecisk> jimmy_: on console
[07:07] <pecisk> There was compiz updates yesterday, something maybe is broken
[07:09] <jimmy_> pecisk, nothing happened
[07:09] <[miles] > good afternoon guys
[07:09] <pecisk> jimmy_: what video card do you have
[07:10] <jimmy_> pecisk, its a laptop, onboard radeon 7500 mobility
[07:10] <jimmy_> it worked fine when i first installed feisty beta, then the cube stopped working, now it just doesnt start
[07:10] <Poul^Laptop> posible to add som parameter to the cp command to get a startus like speed of copying?
[07:10] <[miles] > does anyone have this sound card on their laptops please? 00:14.2 Audio device [0403] : ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia [1002:4383] 
[07:10] <asad2005> how to add /dev/ttyS4 ?
[07:11] <pecisk> [miles] : I have ATI onboard, but on desktop computer
[07:12] <pecisk> [miles] : which ALSA driver it uses
[07:12] <[miles] > hello pecisk
[07:12] <stefg> Poul^Laptop: if you use mc, you'll get stat's while doing (lengthy) copy-operations
[07:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: glxgears gives you soemthing?
[07:12] <pecisk> [miles] : hello
[07:12] <pecisk> :)
[07:12] <jimmy_> pecisk, yes but a bit choppy
[07:12] <[miles] > pecisk: is it the pecisk it's the same device ID?
[07:12] <Poul^Laptop> stefg,  hmm mc?
[07:12] <jimmy_> oh no wait 2500 fps
[07:12] <stefg> !info mc
[07:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: it seems binary driver get lost or somethin
[07:12] <jimmy_> it just looked choppy
[07:13] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[07:13] <pecisk> [miles] : wait let me check
[07:13] <[miles] > thank you
[07:13] <jimmy_> jimmy@jimmy-laptop:~$ glxgears
[07:13] <jimmy_> 11865 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2372.012 FPS
[07:13] <jimmy_> 28703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5740.281 FPS
[07:13] <jimmy_> 3169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 631.911 FPS
[07:13] <jimmy_> XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[07:13] <jimmy_>       after 88698 requests (84825 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[07:13] <pecisk> jimmy_: first check If you really have fglrx driver up and running
[07:13] <jimmy_> pecisk, how do i do that?
[07:13] <stefg> Poul^Laptop: a Norton commander clone for the console... every household needs at least one :-)
[07:13] <jimmy_> pecisk, theres nothing in restricted drivers, only my wifi
[07:14] <pecisk> jimmy_: do again glxinfo | grep direct
[07:14] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, sorry i dont understand any of that. you want me to cp -mv?
[07:14] <jimmy_> pecisk, direct rendering : no
[07:15] <stefg> Poul^Laptop: No, i want you to use a file-manager for the console
[07:15] <Poul^Laptop> ok
[07:15] <pecisk> [miles] : seems similar 0000:00:14.2 0403: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 437b (rev 01)
[07:15] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, i need to install that then?
[07:16] <[miles] > pecisk: is it working?
[07:16] <pecisk> jimmy_: "lsmod | grep radeon" gives you something?
[07:16] <pecisk> [miles] : perfectly
[07:16] <[miles] > pecisk: can you gimme the lspci -nn
[07:16] <jimmy_> pecisk, jimmy@jimmy-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep radeon
[07:16] <jimmy_> radeon                124576  2
[07:16] <jimmy_> drm                    81044  3 radeon
[07:16] <[miles] > pecisk: for it please
[07:16] <stefg> !info mc
[07:16] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[07:17] <pecisk> [miles] : http://pastebin.ca/427140
[07:17] <pecisk> jimmy_: it uses radeon, so question is, why no acceleration for you.
[07:18] <jimmy_> ?
[07:18] <jimmy_> im too new to linux to know :)
[07:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: maybe there have been changes for Compiz + radeon driver, because my card have been opposite after last update - it FINALLY works with Compiz
[07:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: I understand
[07:18] <stefg> Poul^Laptop: if you have universe enabled it's just sudo apt-get install mc
[07:18] <[miles] > pecisk: nah it's not the same
[07:19] <pecisk> jimmy_: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on http://pastebin.ca?
[07:19] <[miles] > pecisk: that explains why it is working ;-)
[07:19] <jimmy_> pecisk, sure
[07:19] <[miles] > bbiam, smoke
[07:19] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, and then after that i will see status on the cp when using it?
[07:19] <pecisk> [miles] : it has been choky sound all the time or just now?
[07:19] <jimmy_> pecisk, i think i found the problem, its empty
[07:19] <[miles] > pecisk: I have no sound
[07:19] <scoates> anyone have any idea if it's possible to answer Windows Remote Assistance requests (.msrcincident) from ubuntu? rdp almost works, but it uses some weird encrypted ticket system..
[07:19] <pecisk> jimmy_: o_O
[07:19] <stefg> Poul^Laptop: not when using cp directly, but when copying with mc
[07:20] <pecisk> jimmy_: it's autoconfiguring
[07:20] <pecisk> damn
[07:20] <Poul^Laptop> stefg
[07:20] <finalbeta> where's the firefox plugins dir?
[07:20] <jimmy_> awesome
[07:20] <pecisk> jimmy_: please do ls -lah /etc/X11 and paste result in pastebin.ca
[07:21] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, it just opened the file in terminal and showed alot of wired signs
[07:22] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, think i got it opend right now
[07:22] <jimmy_> http://pastebin.ca/427149
[07:22] <shirish> anybody had any updates recently?
[07:22] <shirish> I have not got any updates from last 10-12 hrs. or so
[07:23] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, how do i use the "menu" 5copy then?
[07:23] <whombat> hi  @ all
[07:23] <pecisk> jimmy_: please pastebin.ca /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ which is backup file for your configuration
[07:23] <pecisk> and yes, you have no configuration file active for now
[07:23] <pecisk> which is totally strange and nutts
[07:23] <pecisk> :)
[07:24] <jimmy_> pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/427171
[07:25] <pecisk> jimmy_: do "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ /etc/X11/X11/xorg.conf" and do restart
[07:25] <pecisk> jimmy_: in this file everything is in right place
[07:26] <pecisk> jimmy_: maybe it is possible that you or some update deleted conf file, not sure
[07:26] <jimmy_> ok i just copied xorg.conf to xorg.conf
[07:27] <jimmy_> here goes a reboot, brb, if i cont come back, x exploded and itll take me a while, thanks again
[07:29] <Poul^Laptop> stefg, can i mark more then one file to copy at a time+
[07:30] <finalbeta> where's the firefox plugins dir?
[07:32] <udd> I have sound regression from edgy to feisty :/ ati onboard sound (toshiba laptop), no sound at all, where to begin debugging?
[07:32] <slackern> Poul^Laptop, in mc you mean? i belive it's with "insert"-key
[07:33] <shirish> guys are there any IDE hdd users out here?
[07:33] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, yes in mc
[07:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> Shirish:  Me.
[07:34] <slackern> Poul^Laptop: then mark files with "insert"-key and then use F5 to copy etc
[07:34] <Poul^Laptop> slackern,  i just tolk one at the time and but it to background
[07:34] <jimmy_> pecisk, x broke
[07:34] <slackern> Poul^Laptop, i guess that works too also :)
[07:34] <jimmy_> pecisk, i did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh something or other
[07:34] <jimmy_> pecisk, but im back to square one
[07:34] <pecisk> heh
[07:34] <shirish> nerdygirl_ellie: can u look up this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96693
[07:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 96693 in linux-source-2.6.20 "poor performance hard disk IDE" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[07:35] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, know if its posible to see backgrounds processes?
[07:35] <jimmy_> maybe itll just be faster to reinstall ubuntu
[07:35] <shirish> nerdygirl_ellie: and see how your box performs on that, if it is also slow, just append to the ongoing discussion, thank you.
[07:35] <slackern> Poul^Laptop,  control-x-j
[07:35] <pecisk> jimmy_: ok, I will need /var/log/Xorg.log (there was some numbers or letters, so check it out first with ls -lah /var/log)
[07:35] <shirish> jimmy_: what is your issue?
[07:36] <slackern> Poul^Laptop, or i should say control+x then j
[07:36] <pecisk> shirish: he has no direct acceleration, and before that his Xorg was on autoconfigure, as xorg.conf was missing
[07:36] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, ok - only problem i got atm is that some of the shortcuts are overwritten from the beryl shortvuts ect or the terminal shortcuts
[07:36] <gop> hi
[07:36] <gop> why are my ide hd saying /dev/sdc1
[07:36] <slackern> Poul^Laptop, ahh maybe F9 for menu, then go to commands and scroll down to background jobs
[07:37] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, is there a way to put one to the baground aswell?
[07:37] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, cant use F9 ect :P
[07:37] <knw_> hi I'm having a problem getting my ntfs partitions to mount
[07:37] <slackern> oh not sure to be honest =/
[07:37] <shirish> gop: tht is slave master, did u put it to work in slave master mode
[07:37] <Poul^Laptop> slackern, ok
[07:37] <knw_> they get detected
[07:37] <slackern> I've barely ever used those background job things
[07:37] <jimmy_> http://pastebin.ca/427195
[07:37] <knw_> !ntfu
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <knw_> !ntfs
[07:37] <gop> well yea
[07:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:38] <jimmy_> thats xorg.0.log
[07:38] <gop> but it used to be /dev/hda
[07:38] <gop> not /sda
[07:38] <shirish> gop: that is name change
[07:38] <gop> did fiesty change the name of device
[07:38] <shirish> !libata
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <shirish> @libata
[07:38] <Poul^Laptop> slackerns i just found out some wired stuff :P if i cp one file its at 500kb/s. but if i baground 1 and make a new cp it do the cp with 500kb/s on both :)
[07:38] <udd> !alsa
[07:38] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:39] <shirish> gop: there is a page on the wiki about libata done by Alan Cox lemme hunt it for u
[07:39] <pecisk> jimmy_: strange, looks like it is right driver, but something not working there, will take a closer look
[07:39] <gop> k
[07:40] <shirish> gop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[07:40] <pecisk> jimmy_: what did actually X said after reboot?
[07:40] <gop> oh
[07:40] <shirish> pecisk: what hardware does he have or integrated?
[07:40] <jimmy_> pecisk, just couldnt start, then it asked if i wanted to know why
[07:40] <jimmy_> but other than that i was lost
[07:40] <gop> shirish second question in rescue mode how do I resuce grub
[07:41] <pecisk> jimmy_: ok, that was usuall X "I can't start for some reason" dialog
[07:41] <pecisk> hmmmm
[07:41] <shirish> gop: I know it can be done, in fact have done it sometime back but now its lost
[07:41] <gop> is that the bestway
[07:41] <gop> to fix error 8
[07:42] <shirish> gop: I meant I went through this something like a yr. back but now cannot remember
[07:42] <shirish> what I did to fix it
[07:42] <gop> ahh
[07:42] <shirish> gop: just a user here
[07:43] <pecisk> jimmy_: seems like something very fishy with permissions
[07:43] <shirish> @now london
[07:43] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: April 06 2007, 18:43:23 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days
[07:44] <CarinArr> jimmy_: could you !pastebin your  /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[07:44] <pecisk> CarinArr: he already did it for me http://pastebin.ca/427195
[07:44] <leafw> I have just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty and I don't have a laptop battery icon on the systray. Anybody knows which app is actually running it?
[07:45] <aaroncampbell> Well, I had to reboot just a few minutes ago, and now my nVidia drivers aren't working (Kubuntu 7.04).  I get: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!    (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***         (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[07:45] <gop> error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting shirish  is the error I get
[07:45] <jimmy_> CarinArr,  http://pastebin.ca/427195
[07:45] <shirish> gop: that means somehow u lost your kernel
[07:45] <gop> yea hmm
[07:45] <shirish> gop: kernel is what drives the whole thing
[07:45] <slackern> leafw, If you rightclick the gnomepanel and choose Add to panel there should be a Battery charge monitor there  that you can select
[07:45] <gop> strange this was a upgrade -d of edgyto fiesty
[07:46] <CarinArr> jimmy_: do you have a wacom?
[07:46] <leafw> slackern : I did look there, and there isn't. Something went wrong with the upgrade I guess
[07:46] <shirish> gop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%29
[07:46] <gop> sure
[07:46] <gop> I understand it
[07:46] <gop> :)
[07:46] <CarinArr> aaroncampbell: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[07:46] <aaroncampbell> adept
[07:47] <aaroncampbell> They've been working for a while now
[07:47] <CarinArr> aaroncampbell: i take it you've tried reinstalling the nvidia-glx package?
[07:47] <gop> is thier anyway I can fix this
[07:47] <shirish> gop: better look on launchpad if somebody has filed a bug for this or not, if not please file it, as it is critical
[07:47] <slackern> leafw, ahh hmm i did an upgrade myself but i don't have a laptop but i got that choice there, something must have gone wrong somewhere as you said i guess :)
[07:47] <shirish> aaroncampbell: there was an update to adept couple of hrs. before
[07:47] <aaroncampbell> CarinArr: yeah, when It had problems, I switched back to nv, and then tried to reinstall...same problem.
[07:48] <hanzz> hi :) i have one interface for connection to the internet and one for LAN connection... a i want to have these two internfaces "up" at once... can it be done with knetworkmanager?
[07:48] <bur[n] er> anyone around know if gparted is going to make a reappearance on the feisty livecd?
[07:48] <shirish> gop !launchpad
[07:48] <shirish> bur[n] er: dont think so :(
[07:48] <shirish> !info launchpad
[07:48] <leafw> slackern : I did like 3 dist-upgrades ... everything looked fine. TOday there is another big update as well
[07:48] <bur[n] er> shirish: anything else comparable?  that'd be crap
[07:48] <ubotu> Package launchpad does not exist in feisty
[07:48] <leafw> like 226 Mb puoring in now
[07:48] <slackern> leafw, the applet is named battstat
[07:49] <leafw> thanks slackern
[07:49] <shirish> bur[n] er: first of all can u change ur name to something else
[07:49] <leafw> yeah not installed
[07:49] <CarinArr> aaroncampbell: not sure.. i haven't really been using packaged nvidia drivers for a long time
[07:49] <slackern> was looking all over the place for it then i realized i could just start it and see the name :p
[07:49] <shirish> bur[n] er: secondly there is parted, QTparted  atleast two partitioners I know which are equally good
[07:49] <leafw> when it's too obvious,  well :)
[07:49] <slackern> /usr/lib/gnome-applets/battstat-applet-2
[07:50] <slackern> but not sure how to start it correctly though =/
[07:50] <shirish> @launchpad
[07:50] <leafw> I used gnome in edgy, but now in fesity metacity fails to show window decorations at all
[07:50] <CarinArr> aaroncampbell: for those sort of reasons originaly on dapper;)
[07:50] <leafw> so I'm in kde now temporarily
[07:50] <leafw> I bet the applet it's different in kde
[07:50] <jimmy_> CarinArr, whats a wacom ?
[07:50] <sobersabre> hi
[07:50] <sacater> hey all, how do i go about disabling the feisty framebuffer
[07:50] <shirish> jimmy_: that is for tablet PC
[07:51] <sobersabre> is it possible to upgrade to 7.04 via "package-manager" ?
[07:51] <sacater> sobersabre: nope
[07:51] <CarinArr> jimmy_: you're getting xserver errors because there is no /dev/input/wacom.. if you don't have a wacom pen, i'd comment out that device in your xorg.conf
[07:51] <jimmy_> ahh then i dont have one, but my laptop has a touchpad
[07:51] <sobersabre> and via apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:51] <sobersabre> sacater, ?
[07:51] <CarinArr> anyhow.. need to go
[07:51] <CarinArr> installing new router
[07:51] <CarinArr> ta ra
[07:51] <shirish> sobersabre: u can point the sources to feisty & do dist-upgrade
[07:51] <sobersabre> CarinArr, good luck..
[07:51] <jimmy_> the wacom tablet is blocking my 3d driver?
[07:51] <gop> strange this was a upgrade -d of edgyto fiesty err how do I fix this
[07:51] <jimmy_> im so lost its amazing
[07:51] <sobersabre> shirish, any special problems with that ?
[07:52] <gop> error 8 kernel not loaded
[07:52] <sobersabre> gop, nice...
[07:52] <sobersabre> :)
[07:52] <gop> error 8 kernel must be loaded before booting shirish  is the error I get
[07:52] <sobersabre> why do you need this kernel anyway ? :)
[07:52] <gop> sobersabre:  any fix I see the kernel is in /boot
[07:52] <gop> yea why sure
[07:52] <gop> I do
[07:52] <gop> as much as nt needs the ntkernel
[07:52] <sacater> sobersabre: erm, yes, run as root that should do it
[07:53] <shirish> sobersabre: gop just lost his kernel or rather kernel -bindings while upgrading it seems
[07:53] <sobersabre> sacater, ok, thanks... i'll turn off the X just in case..
[07:53] <sacater> sobersabre: wise :P
[07:53] <sobersabre> aged aged man...
[07:54] <gop> it boots me in to the grub shell
[07:54] <sobersabre> hmmm... is beryl already supporting feisty ?
[07:55] <sobersabre> gop, it either doesn't recognize the partition ( file table )
[07:55] <shirish> did anyone get mpd (0.12.2-2ubuntu2) as part of any of the updates?
[07:55] <sobersabre> or the index written is wrong.
[07:55] <gop> if index is wrong what is soultion
[07:55] <sobersabre> gop, ... editing the index :)
[07:55] <sobersabre> on boot
[07:55] <sobersabre> go to edit ( 'e' )
[07:55] <sobersabre> and choose the right one.
[07:56] <shirish> sobersabre: are u telling him to edit grub & point to right kernel
[07:56] <nerdygirl_ellie>  aaroncampbell:  Hi
[07:56] <nerdygirl_ellie>  aaroncampbell: I had the same thing.
[07:56] <aaroncampbell> did you find a fix?
[07:56] <sobersabre> shirish, I am telling him to specify the correct data.
[07:56] <nerdygirl_ellie>  aaroncampbell:  Do you have the linux-restricted-modules nvidia driver?
[07:56] <sobersabre> wherever it is.
[07:57] <aaroncampbell> yes
[07:57] <nerdygirl_ellie> aaron:  ok. I have a fix.
[07:57] <shirish> sobersabre: I thought he had lost it, but even this for noobs would be pretty tricky
[07:57] <sobersabre> guys, is beryl already inside feisty ?
[07:58] <nerdygirl_ellie> AARONCAMPBELL:  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic
[07:58] <sobersabre> shirish, he's pretty much got no other choice... unless he wants to reinstall.
[07:58] <shirish> sobersabre: I did see some beryl updates sometime back
[07:58] <shirish> sobersabre: true
[07:58] <sobersabre> shirish, are you on feisty ?
[07:58] <nerdygirl_ellie> sober:  Compiz is, and it is mostly the same.
[07:58] <shirish> sobersabre: yup
[07:58] <sobersabre> nerdygirl_ellie, unless you don't own nvidia laptop...
[07:58] <sobersabre> shirish, do you have beryl-project's sources or ... only feistyish ?
[07:59] <sobersabre> nerdygirl_ellie, afair, compiz doesn't support intel cards....
[07:59] <shirish> sobersabre: I read the updates which comes it had them, I have integrated graphics so do not think I have installed them
[07:59] <sobersabre> shirish, if you ... can you apt-cache search beryl ?
[07:59] <sobersabre> and tell me if you find it ?
[08:00] <sobersabre> I mean... I did setup it... it'd be a shame to lose this nicey thing.
[08:00] <shirish> sobersabre: was already doing that : beryl-core Version: 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2
[08:00] <pecisk> jimmy_: I suggest you to comment out those options after Device "radeon" row
[08:00] <sobersabre> ok.
[08:00] <pecisk> jimmy_: with #
[08:00] <sobersabre> so it is in feisty stock repoz.
[08:00] <sobersabre> nice.
[08:00] <shirish> sobersabre: it is in universe
[08:01] <sobersabre> great/
[08:01] <jimmy_> pecisk, ok
[08:01] <shirish> sobersabre: nope not mains, but universe
[08:01] <sobersabre> of course universe, what else.
[08:01] <sobersabre> ?
[08:01] <sobersabre> :)
[08:01] <shirish> sobersabre: there is going to be another update sometime soon
[08:01] <sobersabre> no shite :)
[08:02] <nerdygirl_ellie> OT:  I read that Beryl and Compiz are going to remerge.  Very cool.
[08:02] <jimmy_> pecisk, wait, what am i commenting out :) ?
[08:02] <sobersabre> there will probably be update on daily basis.
[08:02] <sobersabre> nerdygirl_ellie, indeed.
[08:02] <nerdygirl_ellie> ... so you won't have to go out and buy an Nvidia laptop like me. :D
[08:02] <jimmy_> pecisk, the wacom stuff, or the monitor section which after radeon
[08:02] <wizard> crimsun: hey you there?
[08:03] <sacater> is anyone here having trouble with the nvidia geforce 4 card, or having general xserver troubles and or framebuffer, if so please go to #sacater i need big talk, i will be there in a few minutes
[08:03] <anti_pop> my kde freezes when im heavily downloading
[08:03] <anti_pop> how can i check if thats a problem of my HD / ram or a BUG ?
[08:03] <wizard> anti_pop: off topic but i wish my gf could do that
[08:03] <shirish> nerdygirl_ellie: I have also read that, if both merge it would be cool for the community as a whole
[08:03] <anti_pop> do some weed
[08:04] <anti_pop> /jon #kubuntu
[08:05] <shirish> that should be (/join #kubuntu)
[08:06] <shirish> has anybody updated recently?
[08:06] <shirish> like in the last 30 mins - 1 hr.
[08:06] <sine> hi there! i'm quite new to ubuntu(edgy), anyway i learned quite fast, that for me as a music enthusiast, that i need a kernel with realtime-preemption... now i wanted to install feisty, but after localization settings the installer is not working.. when it comes to manual repartitioning, "ubiquity" crashes
[08:07] <shirish> sine: using alternate or live cd?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> sine: edgy support is in #ubuntu
[08:07] <sine> live
[08:07] <gnomefreak> ah nvm
[08:07] <sine> gnomefreak: they send me here :)
[08:08] <slackern> !beryl
[08:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:08] <gnomefreak> sine: because you are installing feisty
[08:08] <sine> k
[08:08] <gnomefreak> sine: why not just upgrade to feisty?
[08:09] <sine> because its beta, i wanted to keep my working old system.. new partition seemed to be the best way
[08:09] <ant_ipop> heres is my syslog, can someone check why my system freezes when im downloading ?? http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/8971/
[08:09] <sine> and i read of some troubles with dist-upgrade
[08:09] <gnomefreak> sine: i suggest you use alternate cd if the livecd isnt aptitioning again
[08:09] <shirish> nerdygirl_ellie: are u still here?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> partitioning
[08:10] <sine> now im stuck :/
[08:10] <shirish> sine: the alternate CD is much more robust ( for lack of better word)
[08:10] <sine> k ill try that first.. thanks
[08:11] <shirish> gnomefreak: have u been able to update anything today?
[08:11] <sine> is it difficult to use?
[08:11] <gnomefreak> shirish: i havent tried but you wont see alot of updates anymore
[08:12] <shirish> gnomefreak: I am not seeing them, there is supposed to be another kernel coming up shortly which is supposedly going to fix IDE stuff
[08:12] <sine> and by the way, is it possible to automatically upgrade from feisty beta to final, when its released?
[08:12] <gnomefreak> shirish: you mean -14?
[08:13] <shirish> gnomefreak: we are already on 14 (2) there is supposed to be another or is the kernel freeze today?
[08:13] <sacater> gnomefreak: no help for me here :(
[08:13] <aaroncampbell> nerdygirl_ellie: A great big "THANK YOU" for helping with my latest nVidia issue.  I didn't have to mess with it hardly at all.  I really appreciate it
[08:13] <gnomefreak> shirish: it may take a while 3-4 days for kernel updates (normally 3-4 days after they finish it)
[08:14] <Kaplan_> i'm still having nvidia trouble
[08:14] <nerdygirl_ellie> what kind of trouble kaplan?
[08:14] <aaroncampbell> Kaplan_: what kind of problems
[08:14] <nerdygirl_ellie> aaron:  it will auto update properly now.
[08:14] <nerdygirl_ellie> :)
[08:14] <Kaplan_> i upgraded to feisty from an edgy installation
[08:14] <aaroncampbell> thanks
[08:14] <Kaplan_> everything went fine
[08:15] <shirish> gnomefreak: did u get an openoffice upgrade openoffice.org 2.2.0-1ubuntu2  by any chance?
[08:15] <sacater> Kaplan_: what kind
[08:15] <gnomefreak> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2
[08:15] <Kaplan_> but my x server was broken when i rebooted, i
[08:15] <gnomefreak> shirish: i havent had a chance to do updates in 2 days
[08:15] <sacater> Kaplan_: oooh, slightly similar to me
[08:15] <nerdygirl_ellie> Kaplan_:  You need the same fix Aaron did, ' sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic'
[08:16] <sacater> gnomefreak: why are the geforce 4 series cards so hard to get working
[08:16] <gnomefreak> sacater: you dont have a geforce4 card
[08:16] <Kaplan_> i have that installed already
[08:16] <sacater> gnomefreak: then what?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> sacater: nvidia-glx no longer supports them
[08:16] <nerdygirl_ellie> kaplan:  and nvidia-glx?
[08:16] <sacater> gnomefreak: oh, but legacy does?
[08:16] <gnomefreak> sacater: yours is just one of those cards
[08:16] <Kaplan_> nope, a nvidia 6200
[08:16] <sacater> Kaplan_: same as me!
[08:16] <gnomefreak> Kaplan_: join sacater
[08:16] <Kaplan_> i had to install the driver manually
[08:17] <gnomefreak> sacater: Kaplan_ try in #ubuntu-effects
[08:17] <sacater> k
[08:17] <gnomefreak> or wait until someone knows. make suire you give tham the card up front
[08:17] <sacater> hes not in there
[08:17] <gnomefreak> whos not in there?
[08:18] <gnomefreak> sacater and Kaplan_ try in #ubuntu-effects
[08:18] <shirish> gnomefreak: is that the latest after all the updates?
[08:18] <sacater> Kaplan_: #sacater
[08:18] <gnomefreak> shirish: i havent done them in 2 days
[08:18] <sacater> join it
[08:18] <nerdygirl_ellie> gnomefreak: can you give me the short version of what the deal on those?  I know about nvidia/nvidia-glx.  what else is going on?
[08:19] <sacater> nerdygirl_ellie: same as me and kaplan!
[08:19] <gnomefreak> nerdygirl_ellie: nvidia-glx stopped support on geforce4 cards
[08:19] <gnomefreak> 6xxx and 7xxx cards have always been a pain to get running (dont know never looked that far into one to find out why)
[08:20] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gnome:  are they fairly popular cards?
[08:21] <gnomefreak> they are newer cards
[08:21] <gnomefreak> they are expensive cards
[08:22] <gnomefreak> !fonts | ScreaminIke
[08:22] <ubotu> ScreaminIke: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:22] <Stormx2> oooh
[08:22] <Stormx2> What am I thinking?
[08:22] <gnomefreak> the files are there :) read please
[08:22] <ScreaminIke> so... did an upgrade to feisty from edgy... and al my system fonts died. everything is being dislpayed as null characters
[08:22] <Ximal> hey guys..
[08:22] <Ximal> i need help installing a dvd player for this ubuntu
[08:22] <gnomefreak> ScreaminIke: read above
[08:22] <Ximal> i downloaded vlc but can't figure out how to run it as a program
[08:22] <Stormx2> Ximal: wxvlc I think
[08:23] <ScreaminIke> uhm... i mean ALL my fonts
[08:23] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$ wxvlc
[08:23] <Ximal> bash: wxvlc: command not found
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> I made a cedega game folder and for some reason every time i try to open the folder in nautilus it crashes.
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> The strange thing is the sub folders can be navigated. It seems that just the root folder is the problem.
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> I'm using feisty fawn but made the folder while using edgy
[08:23] <Ximal> storm : ximal@ximal-tower:~$ wxvlc
[08:23] <Ximal> bash: wxvlc: command not found
[08:23] <ScreaminIke> dropdown menu is a series of boxes. no lettering.
[08:23] <Stormx2> Ximal: have you installed it?
[08:23] <shirish> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greguti.com%2Fpetitlinux%2Findex.php%3Fentry%3Dentry070406-005703&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
[08:23] <Ximal> not yet.. dunno how
[08:23] <shirish>  a good review of Ubuntu 7.04
[08:23] <shirish> beta
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> I made a cedega game folder and for some reason every time i try to open the folder in nautilus it crashes.
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> The strange thing is the sub folders can be navigated. It seems that just the root folder is the problem.
[08:23] <Death_Sargent> I'm using feisty fawn but made the folder while using edgy
[08:23] <gnomefreak> ScreaminIke: restart
[08:24] <Stormx2> Ximal: Does "vlc" not work?
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ScreaminIke: make sure all upgrades are done first
[08:24] <Stormx2> Ximal: Have you installed from the repos?
[08:24] <Ximal> i haven't installed it yet
[08:24] <ScreaminIke> it happened on restart
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ScreaminIke: make sure nothing failed and restart
[08:24] <Ximal> i just downloaded the tar.gz file
[08:24] <Ximal> it's my first time to install something on linux in years.. everything else i've used rpm and batch installs etc
[08:24] <Stormx2> ScreaminIke: Try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <-- maybe some stuff didn't get upgraded
[08:24] <Stormx2> Ximal: Ah
[08:24] <gnomefreak> ScreaminIke: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  if no upgrades reboot
[08:24] <Stormx2> Ximal: You need to use synaptic / apt
[08:25] <Ximal> is that WHAT i need to put in terminal ?
[08:25] <Stormx2> Ximal: Do this: "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[08:25] <Stormx2> Ximal: Or, go to System > Administration > Synaptic
[08:25] <gnomefreak> without the " :)
[08:25] <Stormx2> AH yes.
[08:26] <Ximal> wow that sudo command is powerful
[08:26] <Ximal> brb
[08:26] <Ximal> it's working on installing now
[08:26] <xtknight> wow Feisty is blazingly fast
[08:27] <xtknight> 30 firefox windows close almost instantaneously here.  used to take like a minute w/ freezing on Edgy/prior versions
[08:27] <Stormx2> killall firefox-bin
[08:27] <Stormx2> xD
[08:27] <Ximal> heh.. it's installing all the codecs i need
[08:27] <xtknight> :P
[08:27] <Ximal> see i WAS using the basic movie player and it crashed everytime i used a legally purchased dvd
[08:27] <Poul^Laptop> anyway, to see total up and down stream?
[08:27] <xtknight> Stormx2, too hard.   remember, i'm grandma.
[08:27] <Poul^Laptop> on the network that is
[08:27] <Stormx2> Ximal: Use sudo carefully, only use it when needed.
[08:27] <NewUser> When i try to open  Network tab.. in "system/Admistration/Network " it give me an error " The Configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to access the system Configuration. :< I just installed fiesty.
[08:28] <Ximal> when i used the ripped dvd's it played because all the protection was removed
[08:28] <Stormx2> xtknight: eek?
[08:28] <Ximal> brb storm
[08:28] <xtknight> Stormx2, not really ;)
[08:28] <Ximal> thanks for ur help... U ROCK dude/chick whichever
[08:28] <Ximal> lol
[08:28] <xtknight> Stormx2, i'm just glad the GUI is faster
[08:28] <Ximal> bbiam
[08:28] <Stormx2> No prob.
[08:28] <xtknight> i.e. typical user (grandma) could benefit from it
[08:28] <NewUser> how can i fix this?
[08:29] <Stormx2> The boot for feisty is a little slower for me
[08:29] <Stormx2> but I'll work it out
[08:29] <jimmy_> pecisk, i commented out all the wacom tablet stuff, and the curson/stylus/eraser, x starts fine now, but still no desktop effects
[08:29] <xtknight> faster here
[08:29] <xtknight> seems like it :O
[08:29] <xtknight> Linux andy-desktop 2.6.20-14-generic #2 SMP Mon Apr 2 20:37:49 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:29] <jimmy_> pecisk, also i got citrix working flawless, so nice
[08:29] <Ximal> [00000298]  dvdread demuxer error: read failed for -1/4 blocks at 0x01
[08:29] <Ximal> [00000277]  main playlist: nothing to play
[08:29] <Ximal> i get that when i try to use it to play the movie
[08:30] <Stormx2> !dvd | Ximal
[08:30] <ubotu> Ximal: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:30] <Stormx2> Have a quick look at that.
[08:30] <pecisk> jimmy_: do glxinfo | grep direct one again
[08:31] <Arko> hi
[08:31] <jimmy_> pecisk, direct rendering : no
[08:31] <Arko> I did 'rmmod nvidia'. How do I reinstall it?
[08:32] <pecisk> jimmy_: ls -lah /etc/X11 to pastebin.ca
[08:32] <jimmy_> oh wait
[08:32] <jimmy_> its using ati not fglrx
[08:32] <jimmy_> i switched it
[08:32] <jimmy_> in xorg.conf
[08:32] <pecisk> Arko: rmmod is module removal from memory, modprobe nvidia will initialise it again
[08:32] <jimmy_> ill try ctrl alt backspace
[08:32] <jimmy_> brb
[08:33] <Arko> back
[08:33] <Ximal> hmm
[08:33] <Ximal> no helpo
[08:33] <Arko> How to reinstall nvidia drivers?
[08:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko
[08:33] <dcordes> !nvidia
[08:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:33] <Stormx2> Arko: System > Administration > Restricted Drivers
[08:34] <Arko> Stormx2 : I am in console
[08:34] <shirish> Is there a way to kill an offending application?
[08:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko:   sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx
[08:34] <Arko> okay
[08:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko:  unless you used to use the driver from nvidia
[08:34] <Ximal> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh i get nothing with this comman
[08:35] <pecisk> Ximal: chmod +x that file first
[08:35] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie : doing
[08:35] <shirish> anybody knows what is this http cleaner cache which runs sometimes in the background?
[08:35] <aaroncampbell> I'm a web-app developer, and in the past I've developed on windows.  I used VMWare Worstation to create virtual machines that mimic all my server setups, and I could access them from a web browser using either http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx *or* http://hostname  however, the hostname thing doesn't seem to work on Kubuntu 7.04
[08:35] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko then reboot.
[08:35] <aaroncampbell> Is that something that needs to be set up?  Or is it not possible?
[08:36] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie : okay
[08:36] <Arko> rebooting
[08:36] <jimmy_> pecisk, nah didnt work, i set it back to ati and it worked right away
[08:36] <shirish> !info httpcleanercache
[08:37] <ubotu> Package httpcleanercache does not exist in feisty
[08:37] <pecisk> jimmy_: change ati with radeon
[08:37] <pecisk> jimmy_: afaik I remember similar problem
[08:37] <jimmy_> pecisk, not fglrx?
[08:37] <pecisk> jimmy_: from lsmod it seems that your video card support radeon
[08:38] <pecisk> jimmy_: and Xorg log also says that
[08:38] <Ximal> so chmod +x then what
[08:38] <jimmy_> pecisk, ok here we go, one more ctrl alt bcks
[08:38] <jimmy_> brb
[08:38] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: if ip of vm conforms with hostname, it should work
[08:38] <Ximal> chmod +x /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh <-- is that right ?
[08:38] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: if hostname is resolved, that is
[08:39] <pecisk> Ximal: yep
[08:39] <Ximal> 
[08:39] <Ximal> chmod: cannot access `/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh': No such file or directory
[08:39] <NewUser> when i try to open system/admistration/network it gave me error in return " The Configuration could not be loaded. you are not allowed to access the system configuration.
[08:39] <aaroncampbell> pecisk: well, from ubuntu I can't do "ping hostname" whereas I *can* from windows
[08:39] <aaroncampbell> (right now, as we speak)
[08:39] <jimmy_> pecisk, it worked, but no direct rendering
[08:39] <jimmy_> pecisk, and now desktop effects says no composite ?
[08:39] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: is hostname on DNS or it maybe is written in Windows HOST file?
[08:40] <jimmy_> pecisk, no composite extension available
[08:40] <pecisk> jimmy_: that is completely strange, feels like bug
[08:40] <Ximal> any idea ?
[08:40] <Ximal> any ideas ? i meant
[08:40] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie : got an error
[08:40] <aaroncampbell> pecisk: not in windows host file, but I don't run DNS, and it's not an actual domain name that would be in a public dns
[08:41] <pecisk> jimmy_: can you give me Xorg log to pastebin.ca? /var/log/Xorg.log
[08:41] <jimmy_> sure
[08:41] <jimmy_> xorg.0.log?
[08:41] <pecisk> jimmy_: and give me again your lspci string for video card
[08:41] <pecisk> jimmy_: yep
[08:41] <Ximal> i need to install the libdvdread package first and can't figure out how
[08:41] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: so it is somehow created by VMWare
[08:41] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: I suggest to add hostname to /etc/hosts
[08:41] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko what was the error?
[08:42] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie : Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9755.  Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[08:42] <pecisk> aaroncampbell: in form "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx          hostname"
[08:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> You didn't tell me you had the driver from nvidia installed. =)
[08:42] <jimmy_> pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/427304
[08:42] <NewUser> no one can help me or nor anyone get thie error ?
[08:42] <pecisk> NewUser: repeat question
[08:42] <NewUser> when i try to open system/admistration/network it gave me error in return " The Configuration could not be loaded. you are not allowed to access the system configuration.
[08:43] <NewUser> i want to set my network setting.. but the applet is not going to loaded
[08:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko:  You need the 3 legged monkey dance. =)  First, go to where you downloaded the NVIDIA driver.  run 'sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run
[08:43] <nerdygirl_ellie>  --uninstall'
[08:43] <jimmy_> pecisk, how do i get the lspci string?
[08:43] <pecisk> NewUser: is your user with administration rights?
[08:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko:  'sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run --uninstall'
[08:43] <pecisk> jimmy_: lspci | grep VGA
[08:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko: apt-get remove nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-*
[08:44] <jimmy_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 
[08:44] <NewUser> pecisk i m logining in with root
[08:44] <pecisk> NewUser: it is not right
[08:44] <arko_> nerdygirl_ellie : sorry lost my connection
[08:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko: apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-generic
[08:44] <pecisk> NewUser: create new user with sudo rights, please
[08:44] <arko_> okay
[08:44] <NewUser> pecisk: i tried with User too
[08:45] <pecisk> NewUser: the same error?
[08:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko: run all 3 commands and reboot.  Let me know if that fixed it.
[08:45] <NewUser> pecisk: yes same error..
[08:45] <Ximal> ok how do i use the synaptic program to make changes..
[08:45] <Ximal> i found the stuff i need through synaptic..
[08:45] <pecisk> NewUser: seems like some error, have you updated your box lately?
[08:45] <arko_> nerdygirl_ellie : it says that those are already installed
[08:45] <Ximal> but i can't get it to apply and download/setup the programs
[08:45] <RickJones> i have a question. is the "trash" folder navigatable from terminal ?
[08:45] <RickJones> and if so, where is it ?
[08:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko:  it removes the nvidia driver and the ubuntu nvidia bits, then reinstalls the ubuntu nvidia driver.
[08:45] <NewUser> pecisk: i aint get what u asked. sorry
[08:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> Arko: then the reboot should do it.
[08:45] <Ximal> i need to start it with administrative priveleges
[08:46] <NewUser> pecisk: i aint update my system now.. coz i just install fiesty ..
[08:46] <Hidan> holy moly i finally finally managed to finish installing all the updates for fiesty.
[08:46] <NewUser> pecisk: i just setup my lan setting then i m going to update it
[08:46] <Ximal> how do i login with it to make changes ?
[08:46] <Viper550> Just wondering, has anyone tried Wubi?
[08:47] <arko_> nerdygirl_ellie : but it did nothing... just said that those packages are already installed
[08:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> Did you run the nvidia uninstaller?
[08:47] <Arko> yep
[08:47] <Hidan> xtknight: still around, huh?
[08:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> then you uninstalled the packages?
[08:47] <xtknight> Hidan, indeed.  spring break
[08:47] <xtknight> and its 28F
[08:47] <xtknight> not like i want to go out thre ;)
[08:47] <nerdygirl_ellie> Then you reinstall the packages.
[08:47] <Arko> okay
[08:48] <nerdygirl_ellie> then it should work.
[08:48] <catid> does anyone know how to add a transparency option to the menus for windows?  i'd like to be able to make windows transparent that way
[08:48] <shirish> NewUser: do gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:48] <Arko> done
[08:48] <shirish> and post the contents of it in pastebin
[08:48] <Arko> reboot?
[08:48] <Hidan> xtknight: mmm 28f? well, even if i don't really know much about fahrenheit, sounds like it's snowing heavily or freezing, even. :p
[08:48] <NewUser> shirish sure
[08:48] <xtknight> Hidan, yeah that's about right.  not quite snowing though it was yesterday
[08:48] <RickJones> 28 degrees F = -3 c
[08:48] <xtknight> Hidan, freezing is 32F
[08:49] <shirish> NewUser: this is a dual-boot box, right?
[08:49] <xtknight> ubotu needs a fahrenheit->celcius convesion
[08:49] <Hidan> xtknight: boy, I'd love to have some snow... it's so hot in Singapore... like it feels like an oven at 3 a.m. in the morning!!!
[08:49] <Hidan> rickjones: ty for the conversion. :)
[08:49] <NewUser> shirish: ye
[08:49] <shirish> Hidan: same here its 12:20 a.m. & still feels like an oven the fan is at full blast
[08:50] <shirish> @now Calcutta
[08:50] <RickJones> can get close by simply subtracting 32 from a F  to get C , not exact, but ball park figure
[08:50] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 07 2007, 00:20:05 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days
[08:50] <Hidan> shirish: man... oh man... Calcutta?! Wow, India, huh?
[08:50] <shirish> Hidan: yup
[08:50] <RickJones> anyways, how can you SU with gui so can delete a file you don't have permission to ?
[08:50] <catid> that's got to be rough on keeping computers cool
[08:51] <shirish> NewUser: do u know what ur ip address, and gateway address is, it is typical router modem setup or wireless?
[08:51] <pecisk> jimmy_: can you try to switch to fglrx again and then when it fails, copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere, get in with ati driver and then pastebin.ca? Should look why fglrx doesn't work for you.
[08:51] <Hidan> catid: yeah that's why I've a gigantic cooler ... let me find the link . :p
[08:51] <NewUser> shirish : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14251/
[08:51] <catid> no AMDs in India =)
[08:51] <NewUser> shirish: yes i know whats my Ip/Gateway/MAC
[08:51] <shirish> catid: you are dead wrong m8, there are many AMD lovers in india
[08:51] <jimmy_> pecisk, ok sure thing
[08:52] <catid> well yeah
[08:53] <shirish> NewUser: ok here is mine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14253/
[08:53] <Rei-chan> So, are there any gaping holes in Feisty? I got bored and decided to upgrade now, out of curosity. With install CD in hand if need be.
[08:53] <shirish> catid: in fact I recommend all my friends to AMD for the reason they are more open to open source
[08:54] <Hidan> catid: ooh my cpu is AMD btw and this is my cooler. =P http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/AirCooling/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2335&ProductName=3D%20Rocket%20II
[08:54] <catid> people seem to have luck installing it Rei-chan.. some people noted regressions in nvidia and other hardware support.. ymmv
[08:54] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> I've got five machines running Feisty offa the beta release Live and Alt CDs, they seem to work OK.  ATI proprietary wifi having trouble, wifi requires a stop/start before it comes up, that's about it as far as I have seen
[08:54] <shirish> NewUser: now do sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:54] <catid> if the live cd doesn't work.. might want to think twice
[08:54] <NewUser> Shirish: So i edit that File like urs ? And edit my setting there
[08:54] <shirish> NewUser: that is the idea
[08:55] <Rei-chan> I'm not running anything bleeding over here. Just an old GX150.
[08:55] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> of course I've just used them for a few days, almost all just firefox and ssh
[08:55] <NewUser> Okie..
[08:55] <shirish> NewUser: there is another file that you will have to edit after that
[08:55] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> oh and, umm , I can assure you the video codecs work. :)  I ... watch a lot of ... nasa tv
[08:55] <shirish> NewUser: tell me when you are done with that
[08:55] <catid> Hidan: your fan looks like it is ready for launch to Mars
[08:55] <NewUser> shirish: one more thing.. when i start my Pc.. Xserver is Not Start Automatically.. when i type startx then X server starts..
[08:55] <Hidan> shirish: curious, what's your cpu cooler?  I mean, it must be really hot in Calcutta too.
[08:55] <Hidan> Catid: LOL
[08:55] <Ximal> hmm brb
[08:55] <NewUser> shirish: sure.. i m going to do it.
[08:56] <Hidan> Catid: someone got it for me as a gift. lol.
[08:56] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> also remember that since its a beta there's megs of updates every day for it :)
[08:56] <shirish> Hidan: I am in Pune, which is roughly around 800 kms, and no cpu cooler, just paste its sturdy box 3.5 yrs. only once for servicing
[08:56] <jimmy_> pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/427350
[08:56] <Rei-chan> Hobart: Feisty WILL require a reboot, correct?
[08:56] <Rei-chan> Hobart: Yeah, but hell, that's the fun part.
[08:56] <catid> Hidan: well the fans for Intel are huge now too, so heat is just as bad for both of the big companies now
[08:56] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> very much so, I'd advise using a new empty hdd
[08:56] <shirish> Rei-chan: while u rue for updates, I live for updates
[08:57] <Rei-chan> Rei-chan: Actually, l like updates. :)
[08:57] <pecisk> jimmy_: in fact, I found out, your card isn't supported by fglrx, but by radeon, but you have Composite disabled, please take a look to your xorg.conf
[08:57] <Hidan> catid: huh...
[08:57] <catid> Hidan: umm let me show you what i mean
[08:57] <Hidan> shirish: pune??? sorry, dunno what that is.
[08:57] <jimmy_> so i set it to radeon, and composite enabled?
[08:57] <Hobart> if this is your only machine, stick with something stable or at least keep something stable on another partition somewhere :)
[08:57] <Rei-chan> shirish: Hell, maybe Beryl will work.
[08:57] <shirish> Hidan: Pune is a place near mumbai or better known as bombay
[08:57] <jimmy_> pecisk, option composite 1 ?
[08:57] <Rei-chan> Hobart: If it becomes too unstable, I just format and install Edgy.
[08:58] <pecisk> jimmy_: it is 1?
[08:58] <jimmy_> no 0
[08:58] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie: it worked
[08:58] <pecisk> jimmy_: put 1 there
[08:58] <jimmy_> ok
[08:58] <Hidan> shirish: ooh but... wait a minute, NO cooler?! You just apply thermal paste once every month or so?! WOW...
[08:58] <Arko> nerdygirl_ellie: thanks
[08:58] <shirish> Hidan: I applied the thermal paste around 1.5 years ago actually
[08:58] <rysiek|pl> hi, I just installed feisty and have a wee bit o'issue
[08:58] <Hidan> Shirish: that's insane!!!!
[08:59] <Hobart> Rei-chan -> sounds like yer prime beta candidate material :D
[08:59] <pecisk> rysiek|pl: tell me
[08:59] <shirish> Hidan: u from where?
[08:59] <NewUser> shirish: sorry yes now i edit the file.. and save it now what?>
[08:59] <rysiek|pl> upon every boot the fat32 partitions (don't ask...) are thoroughly fscked
[08:59] <Hidan> Shirish: My cpu wouldn't last like that lol...
[08:59] <Rei-chan> Hobart: hehehe...
[08:59] <rysiek|pl> pecisk: ^^
[08:59] <Hidan> Shirish: Singapore ^__^
[08:59] <shirish> NewUser: just look at the file again to see its saved
[08:59] <jimmy_> pecisk, nah
[08:59] <jimmy_> pecisk, didnt help
[08:59] <pecisk> jimmy_: glxinfo?
[08:59] <catid> Hidan: http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_diy_videoguide01.html  (check the Zalman CNPS-9500 fan video)
[08:59] <shirish> Hidan: we guys die to be at your end, all those gadgets there with so cheap bandwidth
[08:59] <rysiek|pl> pecisk: I mean file-system-checked, not f*cked ;)
[09:00] <pecisk> rysiek|pl: maybe something wrong with /etc/fstab settings?
[09:00] <NewUser> shirish: yeah it save.
[09:00] <Hidan> shirish: mmm... cheap bandwidth yeah but... the
[09:00] <shirish> NewUser: ok cool, now there is this /etc/resolv.conf file
[09:00] <Hidan> shirish: but the singapore government just launched a spyware program... =/ something like what the USA gov. tried to do.
[09:00] <pecisk> jimmy_: now please pastebin.ca again Xorg.log and glxinfo too
[09:01] <jimmy_> pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/427359
[09:01] <shirish> Hidan: so u guys use proxy stuff + anonymizer programs & what not
[09:01] <NewUser> shirish: edit this file too?
[09:01] <Rei-chan> Hidan: I always operate under the assumption that the NSA is reading everything I type. :) Its just easier.
[09:01] <shirish> NewUser: you have no choice, as network manager is not letting you in, otherwise it is done by network manager
[09:02] <catid> Hidan: hack your cable modem and they won't be able to see where you're coming from anyway..
[09:02] <Hidan> shirish: Well, not many do. bleah... it's just that the government has a habit of sueing/arresting pple, etc.
[09:02] <NewUser> shirish: ya now file is open.
[09:02] <jimmy_> pecisk, log : http://pastebin.ca/427360
[09:02] <shirish> NewUser: paste the contents to pastebin
[09:02] <Hidan> catid: very bad idea. The govt is always watching you... not too smart to do it in a tiny country where everyone's tracking your activities.
[09:02] <rysiek|pl> pecisk: A seems OK - <UUID> /mount/point vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46   0       1
[09:03] <shirish> Hidan: that is too bad, good we live in democracy, we always criticize the goverment openly on whatever they do
[09:03] <Hidan> rei-chan : yeah, well... pffttt NSA, huh?
[09:03] <Rei-chan> Hidan: Yeah, but I'm American. :)
[09:03] <NewUser> shirish: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14258/
[09:03] <shirish> Hidan: except when they make way for more bandwidth i.e
[09:03] <catid> Hidan: seems to me that in a smaller country you'd have more fun playing with their systems
[09:03] <pecisk> jimmy_: (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
[09:03] <pecisk> strange
[09:04] <shirish> NewUser: is that nameserver the one which you are going to use?
[09:04] <aaroncampbell> What is the easiest way to share files between multiple linux computers?
[09:04] <Rei-chan> catid: Smaller government with more information warfare capability, though. More time and resources to find and amuse themselves.
[09:04] <NewUser> shirish: No.. I think My server ip is 172.16.0.1
[09:04] <jimmy_> pecisk, youre telling me
[09:04] <nerdygirl_ellie> aaroncampbell:  once or frequently?
[09:04] <pantalaimon_> i get an error when i try to install the newest kernel image
[09:04] <jimmy_> pecisk, i dont know whats going on
[09:04] <Hidan> shirish: huh... here, man... the government uses "entrapment" to arrest people. What this means is that you're guilty till you're proved innocent. It doesn't matter if the incident was an accident, that is, you didn't know the man was a drug dealer or that what he was offering you were drugs.
[09:04] <aaroncampbell> nerdygirl_ellie: pretty regularly
[09:04] <SlimeyPete> aaroncampbell: nfs or samba (or just scp if you only want to move a few files around)
[09:04] <NewUser> shirish: This Is Another Server IP.. Another Server Merge With My Server. so this is nOt My Lan Server.
[09:04] <CarinArr> does anyone know of any good traffic shaping tools?
[09:05] <shirish> NewUser: the resolv.conf is for DNS nameservers there needs to be a preferred and an alternate server
[09:05] <aaroncampbell> SlimeyPete: well, I know I already have samba set up on the one side...how do I access it from the other?
[09:05] <CarinArr> i mean it doesn't have to be incredibly intelligent, i just want ssh to always take preference
[09:05] <Hidan> shirish: what this means is that the government goes around trying to arrest people at random. As a result, lots of people are on edge and dislike publicity and stay away from civic activities.
[09:05] <joeamined> hi everybody
[09:05] <catid> Rei-chan: judging by personal experience.. the smaller a network you're dealing with the less sophisticated they are
[09:05] <concept10> !info tinyx
[09:05] <ubotu> Package tinyx does not exist in feisty
[09:05] <shirish> Hidan: that is a shame, here we have too much people with not enough work
[09:05] <NewUser> shirish: yeah i edit that file too.. And save my Server ip There..  now ?
[09:05] <Hidan> shirish: that's 'cos many who take part in civic activities are monitored by the government.
[09:05] <joeamined> what will be the future of desktop effects on ubuntu ?
[09:05] <concept10> !info kdrivew
[09:05] <ubotu> Package kdrivew does not exist in feisty
[09:05] <concept10> !info kdrive
[09:05] <ubotu> Package kdrive does not exist in feisty
[09:05] <SlimeyPete> aaroncampbell: if you have shares set up on one computer you can either use gnome/kde's file manager to access them, or you can install the smbfs package and use smbmount to mount the share into a directory on your filesystem
[09:05] <jimmy_> pecisk, can i just reinstall the driver?
[09:06] <SlimeyPete> aaroncampbell: the latter method takes more effort but will yeild better results
[09:06] <pecisk> jimmy_: which one?
[09:06] <shirish> NewUser: you saved both IPs there, right a preferred DNS server & an alternate DNS server right
[09:06] <Hidan> Shirish: yeah it's a big shame...
[09:06] <Rei-chan> catid: Smaller country, I'd say, not smaller network.
[09:06] <pecisk> jimmy_: I would suggest to remove fglrx driver
[09:06] <jimmy_> pecisk, the radeon one im supposed to be using
[09:06] <rysiek|pl> upon every boot the fat32 partitions (don't ask...) are thoroughly file-system-checked - anybody any ideas how to turn it off? man mount is silent :/
[09:06] <jimmy_> pecisk, how do i do that
[09:06] <pecisk> jimmy_: because you don't need it
[09:06] <aaroncampbell> SlimeyPete: I think I'll have to do that latter, because I need to be able to allow Zend Studio access to the dir
[09:06] <Hidan> Rei-chan: just because a network is smaller, doesn't mean the government does not possess the latest up-to-date hi-tech equipment and technology.
[09:07] <shirish> NewUser: check the file once more, if everything is as it is do a CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[09:07] <pecisk> jimmy_: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:07] <Viper550> I have a question about resolution
[09:07] <shirish> NewUser: login again
[09:07] <pecisk> jimmy_: just to be sure that it doesn't stand in your way
[09:07] <SlimeyPete> aaroncampbell: gnome (and, I think, kde) will allow you to do a sort of "virtual mount" thing which will allow that, but I find that some applications don't like using virtual folders
[09:07] <Hidan> Rei-chan or even if a country is small , even.
[09:07] <Rei-chan> Hidan: Yeah. That's what I'm getting at. Some governments put a premium on information warfare. And controlling what you folks do online is infowar.
[09:07] <shirish> Viper550: shoot
[09:07] <rysiek|pl> Viper550: what's that
[09:07] <NewUser> shirish: i just edit nameserver 172.16.0.1 " My server IP " in my Lan just DNS Server IP worked. Alternate Option is disable.
[09:07] <Rei-chan> LOL China.
[09:07] <Hidan> Rei-chan: yep... my government certainly does...
[09:07] <shirish> NewUser: ok cool
[09:08] <Viper550> This is my xorg.conf file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14259/
[09:08] <NewUser> shirish: but My Xserver not stating auto.. when i boot my system then X Server not start automatically.
[09:08] <Hidan> Rei-chan: Although, my government's behaviour regarding certain "touchy" issues looks pretty dumb, when compared to the China government's behaviour. :p
[09:08] <aaroncampbell> SlimeyPete: I added smbfs.  I'll go try it.  Thanks
[09:08] <SlimeyPete> aaroncampbell: np.
[09:08] <shirish> NewUser: ping me when u have done the CTRL+ALT+Backspace thing just re-login you are not shutting down the comp. you are just logging out of the session
[09:08] <Viper550> When I go into Screen Resolution in the System menu, it only shows 800x600 and 640x480
[09:09] <shirish> Viper550: what card or integrated graphics u have?
[09:09] <Rei-chan> Ok, gotta go pick up ink cartridges for a printer that Linux doesn't support.
[09:09] <Viper550> In addition, I have a Widescreen Monitor.
[09:09] <Rei-chan> lol.
[09:09] <NewUser> shirish: same.. X Server not going up auto. now i type startx?
[09:09] <shirish> NewUser: yup do that
[09:09] <Viper550> I require 1680x1050 or everything is stretched! 4:3 + 16:9 monitor=ugh.
[09:10] <shirish> Viper550: you are not listening, what is your graphics chipset?
[09:10] <catid> does anyone know how to add transparency to any running window?
[09:10] <Viper550> Its in the xorg.conf, that nvidia GeForce 6150 LE
[09:11] <jimmy_> pecisk,  removing it worked
[09:11] <Mena> !distro-upgrade
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distro-upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <pecisk> jimmy_: it works now?
[09:11] <shirish> Viper550: there are some new experimental drivers which could either break or make your system
[09:11] <jimmy_> pecisk, desktop effects work again
[09:11] <pecisk> jimmy_: CONGRATS!
[09:11] <pecisk> :D
[09:11] <Hidan> Rei-chan: yeah... i mean , in certain areas, various groups already enjoy better civic rights in China. the main problem in China, though, are the officials and politicians in certain states who resort to murder and corruption to get things done, and who're resistant against change. In Singapore, it's the government who resists change, whether good or bad.
[09:11] <pecisk> man that was long
[09:11] <jimmy_> pecisk, all that for wobbly windows :)
[09:11] <jimmy_> pecisk, so worth it
[09:11] <pecisk> jimmy_: I disable wobblying but I like fade out/fade in effects and lot of small nice effects too
[09:11] <shirish> Hidan: that is same here, corruption murder sex all the same things
[09:11] <jimmy_> pecisk, does compiz work with emerald?
[09:11] <shirish> NewUser: where are u?
[09:11] <pecisk> jimmy_: it is definitely worth that
[09:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: what is emerald?
[09:12] <NewUser> shirish: wait.. just open the terminal
[09:12] <jimmy_> pecisk, a theme manager
[09:12] <jimmy_> pecisk, but i think its for beryl
[09:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: I am not sure
[09:12] <Rei-chan> Oh! Anyone know if you can WINE lexmark "All in one printer solution" stuff?
[09:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: they will merge
[09:12] <Viper550> sherish: I just wanna know, why are only 2 resolution choices coming up?
[09:12] <Hidan> shirish: it's really sad... then when you try to do something about the issue, they'll start equating a certain class/group/people with "sex/drugs/corruption", etc.
[09:12] <pecisk> jimmy_: but I think Compiz is just very light version of Beryl
[09:12] <Rei-chan> Cause the last obsticle to Windows -> Ubuntu is sitting next to me, my POS X1185 AIO Printer.
[09:12] <shirish> Rei-chan: why would u want that, afaik most lexmark printers are done
[09:13] <Hidan> shirish: really pathetic.
[09:13] <Viper550> Also note: I used Wubi to install.
[09:13] <jimmy_> pecisk, beryl ran really slow on my p4 1.6 with a geforce 5200 agp
[09:13] <jimmy_> pecisk, really slow
[09:13] <shirish> Hidan: good, I think you needed to get that out of your system
[09:13] <jimmy_> pecisk, this compiz runs like a bullet on my laptop
[09:13] <Rei-chan> shirish: Cause its next to me. Thats about the only reason.
[09:13] <Hidan> shirish: get what? lol
[09:13] <pecisk> jimmy_: yeah, because it is targeted on more usable and low-end effects
[09:13] <catid> Rei-chan: try it out:)
[09:13] <pecisk> anyway
[09:13] <pecisk> great that you got it workin
[09:14] <Rei-chan> shirish: If you're referring to cups support, its listed as "basic," and sane tries to kill the printer when it scans.
[09:14] <shirish> Rei-chan: have u looked at lexmarks site if they have any open source drivers, even .rpm drivers can be useful
[09:14] <Hidan> catid: will look at that video link later on btw 'cos mmm... my codes are kinda inadequate.
[09:14] <shirish> Rei-chan: for your specific printer
[09:14] <Rei-chan> shirish: That's my next stop, not sure if those things actually, well, work, but hell.
[09:14] <shirish> Rei-chan: we can only try
[09:14] <Rei-chan> shirish: alien is installed by default, yes?
[09:15] <shirish> Rei-chan: supposedly yes, lemme check
[09:15] <NewUser> shirish: well in resolv.conf i set nameserver 172.16.0.1 ... << this Mean its My Dns ?
[09:15] <shirish> NewUser: the /etc/resolv.conf is for setting up your DNS nameserver
[09:16] <NewUser> shirish: What i Set the for DNS ? my Dns IP is 172.16.0.1
[09:16] <shirish> NewUser: that server will resolve the names to the ip addresses
[09:16] <shirish> NewUser: then that is already done
[09:17] <Hidan> btw, does anyone have an issue of seeing Feisty draw the "windows" when you minimise an application?
[09:17] <pecisk> jimmy_: in free time you can try to do lsmod | grep fglrx and give me results :)
[09:17] <shirish> NewUser: now go to terminal and try $ ping -c5 www.google.com
[09:17] <jimmy_> pecisk, thanks alot for all your help i really appreciate it
[09:17] <jimmy_> pecisk, sure ill do it now
[09:17] <jimmy_> pecisk, nothing happened
[09:18] <NewUser> shirish: dont know.. i ping my pc to another pc.. ping reply fine.. but when i ping my server .. no ping reply from server. that means something problem with that pc.
[09:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: ohhh, nice
[09:18] <shirish> Rei-chan: it seems to be an optional package so you might have to install it
[09:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: then everything is fine
[09:18] <jimmy_> pecisk, but if i grep radeon i get ;
[09:18] <jimmy_> pecisk, radeon                124576  3
[09:18] <jimmy_> drm                    81044  4 radeon
[09:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: "radeon" is right driver you should use with this video card
[09:18] <Rei-chan> mmm gig of updates.
[09:18] <shirish> NewUser: with xp it works fine?
[09:18] <pecisk> jimmy_: so it is fine
[09:18] <jimmy_> pecisk, awesome
[09:19] <jimmy_> pecisk, now i have outlook running in citrix and it wobbles
[09:19] <pecisk> omg
[09:19] <pecisk> :D
[09:19] <jimmy_> pecisk, goodbye windows
[09:19] <pecisk> :)
[09:20] <shirish> NewUser: reboot that system & try pinging it to the server it will tell you if there is some issue with the setup or the server
[09:20] <Viper550> Anyone using Wubi?
[09:21] <shirish> Viper550: what is Wubi?
[09:21] <Viper550> that Windows based Ubuntu installer
[09:21] <Viper550> http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[09:21] <Rei-chan> Viper550: What's it do?
[09:21] <Rei-chan> Ubuntu overwriting Windows?
[09:21] <Rei-chan> Or some kind of Ubuntu on top of Windows gimmick?
[09:21] <Viper550> It's an Ubuntu installer of sorts, but it installs it to images on your Windows drive and uses the NT Boot Loader+WinGrub to boot it
[09:22] <Rei-chan> Ah, ok.
[09:22] <shirish> Rei-chan: it basically is supposed to save bookmarks & IM contacts to Ubuntu while installng
[09:22] <NewUser> !ping me
[09:22] <Viper550> So, it IS real, but it jumps through some hoops
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <Rei-chan> shirsh: That's lovely, I guess. ... How hard is it to stick a freaking CD in the drive and reboot to installer? :)
[09:23] <Viper550> Messing with partitions. It uses the same disc, but just the ISO
[09:23] <|NewUser|> shirish: sorry got d/c
[09:23] <Viper550> It uses the same Alternate Fiesty ISO, and when you boot it the first time, it does the actual installation with debian-installer
[09:24] <shirish> ok no issues
[09:24] <|NewUser|> shirish: dont know.. i ping my pc to another pc.. ping reply fine.. but when i ping my server .. no ping reply from server. that means something problem with that pc.
[09:25] <shirish> probably, you can try to add opendns servers if you want to your /etc/resolv.conf
[09:25] <shirish> NewUser: how do u authenticate to the server?
[09:25] <jimmy_> pecisk, http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7276/wowwi5.png
[09:25] <|NewUser|> shirish: authentication method is Ip/Gateway/MAC
[09:26] <|NewUser|> shirish: I set these things.
[09:26] <pecisk> jimmy_: nice one, where you got that Compiz configure panel?
[09:26] <jimmy_> pecisk, i just searched for compix in synaptic
[09:26] <|NewUser|> shirish: i check my setting with sudo ifconfig eth0 .. all thing fine there. and listed there
[09:26] <jimmy_> *compiz
[09:26] <shirish> |NewUser|: this is your office server, or what?
[09:26] <pecisk> jimmy_: I see
[09:26] <pecisk> will try  :)
[09:27] <jimmy_> pecisk, has some nice config settings, but overall i kept it default
[09:27] <|NewUser|> shirish: now i m using LAN connection from a Server.. i m Just a client.. i have 2 Connections in 2 pc..
[09:27] <|NewUser|> shirish: this pc works fine.. which im using here..
[09:27] <|NewUser|> shirish: using fiesty in another pc.
[09:28] <|NewUser|> shirish: well when i reboot my Pc X Server not start automatically.. And the login Screen also not comes there.. can u fix that fix ?
[09:28] <|NewUser|> *1st
[09:29] <shirish> |NewUser|: the Xserver issue is a big one, I got that fixed by using an experimental driver for intel , as this is an intel board, integrated graphics
[09:29] <|NewUser|> shirish: ya thats the intel board.
[09:29] <shirish> |NewUser|: you are also using intel board?
[09:30] <|NewUser|> shirish: yes i m Using D815
[09:30] <shirish> |NewUser|: one of the newer boards, I guess Dual-core ones
[09:30] <|NewUser|> shirish: dont know much about that..
[09:31] <shirish> |NewUser|: ok go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213
[09:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[09:32] <shirish> |NewUser|: read the whole thing, download that package & install the .deb in the way I did
[09:32] <|NewUser|> shirish: how i download it in that pc ? my Net connection is not working there.
[09:32] <shirish> |NewUser|: one thing more, see how this current feisty /etc/network/interfaces as well as /etc/resolv.conf is configured
[09:33] <shirish> |NewUser|: it is a single file, no dependencies, just install them, you might get some issues or it might just work also
[09:34] <shirish> Rei-chan: its a driver in works, and it works wonderfully on my desktop i845 here
[09:34] <|NewUser|> shirish: can i paste that file into pastebin ? im not fimiliar with that :< using it first time.
[09:34] <Rei-chan> Ok. My i815 sucks, I get to see everything in true living 16bit.
[09:34] <|NewUser|> shirish: all setting is fine.. which one u told me to edit in two files.
[09:34] <shirish> |NewUser|: sure but write it down somewhere so you know where u pasted it just in case
[09:35] <shirish> |NewUser|: then it is truly strange
[09:35] <shirish> Rei-chan: u can also try downloading that driver & trying it out, I have given some instructions as to what worked for me
[09:36] <Rei-chan> I think its partially just cause this workstation has 4MB of VRAM.
[09:36] <Rei-chan> Its a Dell, I got it for 100 dollars.
[09:37] <shirish> Rei-chan: nice deal m8
[09:37] <nerdygirl_ellie> 4MB?  err, no.  Maybe 64MB?
[09:37] <Rei-chan> shirish: ebay. :) 256MB RAM, 1GHz Intel (meh)
[09:37] <Rei-chan> nerdygirl_ellie: No, nerdygirl_ellie, 4 MB.
[09:37] <|NewUser|> shirish: if its driver problem then.. why my Desktop.. is fine? icon? text? i m using 17 inch moniter i have all Resolution modes there.. all things fine. All things fit on screen.
[09:37] <shirish> I paid 500 dollars for mine, 3.5 yrs. back
[09:38] <shirish> |NewUser|: you are able to change resolutions?
[09:38] <|NewUser|> shirish: i m using  1024x786 with Refresh rate 8hz
[09:38] <|NewUser|> *85hz
[09:39] <shirish> |NewUser|: then you are the lucky one
[09:40] <|NewUser|> shirish: if i am lucky one :S then why my X server not working fine for me :< No login screen when i reboot my system.
[09:40] <shirish> seems like a bug then or some config issue, what does /var/log/x.org.0.old show?
[09:42] <shirish> |NewUser|: actually your problems might be resolved l8ter once you are able to network & get some updates, I remember there being couple of releases of xserver-xorg after beta came through
[09:43] <|NewUser|> shirish: X.org.0.log.old is too big :< how i show y0u the file what saying..
[09:43] <|NewUser|> shirish: maybe after update i will get new setting..
[09:43] <|NewUser|> shirish: but NEt are not working too :< .. damn all setting is fine..
[09:44] <shirish> |NewUser|: sometimes things do not work the first time around, try using network manager again & see what he says
[09:45] <shirish> this time around
[09:46] <ace> Hi all
[09:46] <ace> can someone help me with my mouse
[09:47] <ace> it isn't working properly, although the basic functions are there
[09:47] <ace> buttons 8 and 9 are acting like 2 and 3,
[09:47] <ace> i worked perfectly out of the box in edgy
[09:47] <ace> and dapper too
[09:47] <ace> but its broken in fawn
[09:48] <ace> i ran xev
[09:48] <XVampireX> people, running opera segfaults here
[09:48] <ace> when i pressed button 8 it showed in xev as button 2
[09:48] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~/Games/tt-0.22$ opera
[09:48] <XVampireX> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[09:48] <XVampireX> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[09:48] <XVampireX> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:48] <ace> XVampireX: in opera you can't zoom in and pann, panning is busted when zooming
[09:48] <ace> XVampireX: is it the latest weekly?
[09:48] <XVampireX> No
[09:49] <ace> i got the latest weekly and it worked fine http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
[09:49] <ace> the top post mentions something about xlibs
[09:49] <XVampireX> Oh, thank you :)
[09:49] <|NewUser|> shirish: same error with network :<
[09:50] <XVampireX> Are there any noticeable improvements in the latest opera?
[09:50] <ace> XVampireX: yea it has speed dial, blank tabs have 9 thumbnails, you can fill it with sites you visit often, i like it
[09:50] <shirish> |NewUser|: you are using the same machine as a windows machine right?
[09:51] <XVampireX> ace: Oh, thanks :)
[09:51] <krupto> shirish: ehhh man :) net working :)
[09:51] <krupto> shirish:  i m |NewUser| ..
[09:51] <krupto> :/
[09:51] <shirish> krupto: cool :P
[09:51] <krupto> shirish: thanks for all :) now net is working :)
[09:51] <krupto> shirish:  now help me with X server :<
[09:51] <shirish> krupto: phew that was biggie
[09:52] <krupto> shirish: i dont man whts the hell if display driver works fine.. then whats the problem with Xserver.
[09:52] <krupto> :<
[09:52] <shirish> krupto: nothing much to it really you will have to update that box then I guess u will have xserver-xorg running fine too
[09:52] <XVampireX> What's Speed Dial, by the way?
[09:52] <krupto> shirish:  as i said ya.. about resolution.. all ting.
[09:53] <krupto> shirish: okie dude sure :) well any easiet way to update my box ? well i want selected updated.
[09:53] <krupto> shirish:  well i use synaptic ? for selected update i want?
[09:53] <shirish> krupto: that will not work as there is possibiities of a broken box after some-time
[09:53] <lastent> hi, does anyone make the 3d work for the chess in feisty?
[09:54] <shirish> krupto: it will take the latest updates & dump that to u
[09:54] <krupto> shirish:  then u want to say i use must update manager?
[09:54] <ace> XVampireX: http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2007/03/02/opera-reveals-new-speed-dial-featurei-like-it/
[09:54] <finalbeta> lastent: it's on the forums somewhere
[09:54] <shirish> krupto: if u want to be fast & simple use the command line
[09:55] <shirish> krupto: sudo apt-get update & sudo  apt-get upgrade
[09:55] <krupto> shirish: well dude in my Country there is no high speed  here :)
[09:55] <shirish> krupto: welcome to my world, here 256 Kbps is termed as high-speed
[09:55] <lastent> finalbeta i already searched and didnt found anything, have you make it work?
[09:56] <XVampireX> ace: Sweet!
[09:56] <finalbeta> lastent: no, I couldn't care less.
[09:56] <krupto> shirish: well this is high speedy :) l0o0l well i have just 8 to 9 kbs :)
[09:56] <lastent> finalbeta, ok
[09:56] <krupto> shirish: thats why i m asking to just selected upgrade.. what i need for box.. or Xserver
[09:57] <hardaway> anyone know when CNR will be available as beta or otherwise?
[09:57] <shirish> krupto: linux is known for dependency hell, so one package needs requires some other packages & so on & so forth
[09:58] <krupto> shirish: well sudo apt-get update is not my problem.  but if i m trying to update my box.. but when my lan got d/c then what next?
[09:58] <krupto> shirish: so i restart my update from start?
[09:58] <shirish> krupto: nope it will start from where u left off, rest of things in cache
[09:59] <ace> i want this phone!! http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2007/04/05/high_school_stu.html
[09:59] <shirish> /etc/apt/cache Iirc
[09:59] <krupto> shirish:  so if my update is going d/c then next time how i update again ? with -c or? something?
[09:59] <ace> There is a problem with adept
[10:00] <shirish> krupto: nothing like that just do it apt-get upgrade again, it will start from where it left off
[10:01] <ace> it does not seem to respect synaptic's locked packages
[10:01] <krupto> shirish:  thanks buddy.. now i m going to do " sudo apt-get upgrade " when i completed .. then i will mSa ya if i get same problem with Xserver.
[10:02] <ace> i locked the beryl packages in synaptic but adept still shows the packages in the upgradeable list
[10:02] <shirish> krupto: go for it, good luck
[10:02] <krupto> shirish:  thanks buddy :)
[10:03] <krupto> shirish:  more thanks for all :)
[10:03] <shirish> krupto: no issues we all learn in the process
[10:04] <krupto> finalbeta: can ya help if ya have sometime?
[10:05] <ace> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:05] <krupto> ace: i think this cmd updgrade ur distro.
[10:05] <shirish> what do u guys know, I have been getting updates all the time it is just they are hidden from view for some reason? Anybody knows the reason why?
[10:06] <ace> yea just making sure, you said  .. now i m going to do " sudo apt-get upgrade "
[10:06] <krupto> shirish:  im trying to do " sudo apt-get upgrade " but nothing happen there . 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:07] <shirish> krupto: u did sudo apt-get update before that did not you?
[10:07] <krupto> shirish: ohh na i aint did that.. sorry
[10:10] <jcsmith> hi all, i'm trying to install the beta of feisty on a desktop that previously had dapper on it and when booting to the feisty live cd, i get the following error(s), any ideas? /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[10:11] <jcsmith> and then it drops me to an initramfs prompt, any ideas?
[10:11] <gourdin> with the last feisty kernel, I loose wy wifi every minutes (ipw3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945)
[10:19] <FunnyLookinHat> gourdin, bug report it and revert to an older kernel until a new one is released   : )
[10:22] <Grendel> has the jmicron issue been fixed in the latest herd of feisty? i mean updated kernel incorprated and such?
[10:23] <FunnyLookinHat> Grendel, best way to find out is either via ubuntuforums.org or just trying it out   : )
[10:23] <FunnyLookinHat> If it's been an issue for over a week then most likely.
[10:24] <Grendel> funnylookinhat:  good idea, i know there is a kernel out there that has addressed the issue but i don't know if that vers of the kernel is making it in.  i would guess it would make it into the 4/19 release
[10:25] <Grendel> btw is byte code interpreter activated by default in feisty?
[10:25] <ace> Where can i get w32codecs for fawn?
[10:25] <FunnyLookinHat> Grendel, they probably jsut forgot to compile a module into a version of the kernel... usually gets fixed prett yquick (happened to me once)
[10:26] <FunnyLookinHat> ace, google for w32codecs.deb
[10:26] <ikonia> FunnyLookinHat: thats rubbish
[10:27] <ikonia> ace: they are in the repo
[10:27] <FunnyLookinHat> ikonia, no they aren't
[10:27] <FunnyLookinHat> LOL
[10:27] <FunnyLookinHat> w32codecs will never be in the repo.
[10:27] <ikonia> they are for every other ubuntu version
[10:28] <ace> ikonia: which repo?
[10:28] <FunnyLookinHat> no they aren't.
[10:28] <ikonia> really
[10:28] <ikonia> !restrictedformats >ikonoia
[10:28] <FunnyLookinHat> They can't be in the official repos...  and you would know that if you were a dev or in the process.
[10:28] <ikonia> !restrictedformats >ikonia
[10:28] <ace> doesn't work in here?
[10:30] <ikonia> wiki says they are in the nonfree repo
[10:30] <FunnyLookinHat> funnylookinhat.com/w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[10:30] <FunnyLookinHat> get it there
[10:31] <ace> is that the latest?
[10:31] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:32] <FunnyLookinHat> ikonia, read carefully please.
[10:32] <FunnyLookinHat> "Playing Windows Media Video (WMV) or RealVideo files requires a software library that Ubuntu cannot distribute due to licensing restrictions (see  Windows Media and RealPlayer files for installation instructions)."
[10:32] <ikonia> FunnyLookinHat: where are you reading that
[10:32] <FunnyLookinHat> At the bottom.
[10:33] <FunnyLookinHat> My point is this:  Don't start saying things that you don't know for sure, especially if a dev or someone in the process is telling you is wrong.
[10:33] <FunnyLookinHat> It just makes it harder to explain things in the long run.
[10:33] <ikonia> ahhh I se
[10:33] <ikonia> I got them using that page
[10:34] <FunnyLookinHat> You can get them, yes... but they are not in the repos.
[10:34] <ikonia> I thought libcss2 was the only one I went "external" for
[10:34] <ikonia> got confused as I got the intructions from the "official" wiki
[10:34] <ikonia> rather than an official repo
[10:34] <wizard> crimsun: hey when u get time i'd like to see if we can pick up where we left off
[10:35] <ace> Anyone know how to turn off the zooming thing in kubuntu, i HATE IT!!! its the most annoying thing ever when your browsing for something
[10:36] <FunnyLookinHat> ace, ask in #kubuntu
[10:36] <FunnyLookinHat> no worries ikonia
[10:36] <ace> buts it only found in fawn
[10:36] <ikonia> by bad
[10:36] <FunnyLookinHat> oh weird.
[10:36] <FunnyLookinHat> If I had kubuntu I could help you, but I have no idea what feature that is...  : (
[10:38] <micahcowan> Is there a #kubuntu+1?
[10:39] <FunnyLookinHat> don't think so, but you can try
[10:39] <ace> yea lets start one
[10:42] <FunnyLookinHat> ace, did you get my link earlier for w32codecs?
[10:42] <ace> FunnyLookinHat: yup i installed it, thanks
[10:43] <FunnyLookinHat> np
[10:43] <ace> Anyone here running beryl?
[10:43] <ace> can you please run gmplayer and play a video, is the video streched across 4 desktops?#
[10:45] <wizard> has anyone ever heard that using white backgrounds burns out lcd faster??
[10:46] <ace> nope
[10:46] <ace> can you burn out an lcd?
[10:47] <wizard> lcd can get screen burn i know
[10:47] <ace> white would since it requires the most power but wouldn't it depend on the brightness and stuff?
[10:48] <wizard> ace: i am using my new asus laptop wioth a white wallpaper
[10:48] <Infecto> can some one tell me why ark have prolem with unpacking files which one have name liek "file [1x17]  name'some  .txt"
[10:49] <lopa> how would i set up ssh ?
[10:49] <Arko> hi
[10:49] <Arko> how to not start screensaver when using xine?
[10:50] <lopa> anyone please?
[10:50] <foxiness> lopa: can i point u to url ?
[10:50] <lopa> yes
[10:52] <soothsay> Can anyone tell me why 'sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' results in a permission denied error?
[10:53] <jcsmith> soothsay: because only the echo is ran sudo, you need to do something like sudo 'echo 1 > /proc/sys.net/ipv4/ip_forward'
[10:53] <soothsay> jcsmith: That doesn't work. It looks for the command with the name of the whole string
[10:54] <soothsay> sudo: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: command not found
[10:54] <jcsmith> soothsay....then i'd just do sudo -s
[10:54] <jcsmith> and then type the command :-D
[10:54] <Arko> how to create an alias to use with sudo. like sudo mv=sudo mv -i?
[10:55] <soothsay> Arko: Did you try quotes
[10:55] <soothsay> ?
[10:55] <soothsay> sudo mv="sudo mv -i"
[10:55] <soothsay> sudo_mv="sudo mv -i"
[10:55] <Arko> hmmm
[10:55] <soothsay> alias sudo_mv="sudo mv -i"
[10:55] <micahcowan> I usually do sudo bash -c '... > ...'
[10:56] <Arko> not
[10:56] <Arko> soothsay: like that I would have to type '_' all time?
[10:57] <micahcowan> Arko, well, use a - instead, then...
[10:57] <micahcowan> You can't do aliases for /arguments/, and sudo's not going to source an rc file before it runs your commands, so I don't think you have a way to do exactly what you ask for.
[10:58] <micahcowan> (btw, the comment two back was meant for soothsay, not Arko)
[10:58] <soothsay> micahcowan: Yeah, used that tip. Thanks
[10:58] <gourdin> anyone else got problems with an intel wireless ?
[10:58] <gourdin> mine deco every minutes :(
[10:59] <AndyCR> hi, im trying to get desktop effects to work correctly
[10:59] <AndyCR> everything works, but the expose-workalike doesnt start when i move my mouse to the upper right corner
[11:00] <gourdin> hmmm
[11:00] <gourdin> 2.6.20-14 will resolve these bugs ?
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> I'm having some major problems with Feisty and USB devices in general.
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> USB mass storage devices, USB CD burners, USB wifi cards all fail to display in lsusb.
[11:06] <jack_deltrino> Not only do all of these devices work on another Linux distribution, they work on Windows as well.
[11:06] <jack_deltrino> Calling modprobe uhci-hcd && modprobe ehci-hcd in conjunction with udev should take care of all dependencies, and it seems to do so.
[11:07] <jack_deltrino> But lsusb doesn't display them.
[11:08] <CarlFK> wow
[11:10] <CarlFK> where can I post a scrip that does 20mb of wget  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/.... and then boots it in qemu, which demonstrates 2 things that may be bugs ?
[11:10] <jack_deltrino> In addition, GDM displays a funky white rectangle at the top of my monitor and fails to display anything else.
[11:10] <jack_deltrino> I'm going to install Edgy and if problems persist, I really have no clue what's going on.
[11:10] <AndyCR> jack_deltrino: what computer? works fine with me
[11:10] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: What do you mean "what computer"?
[11:11] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: I can give you a device list. Let me install something like lshw and give you the output of that if you really want.
[11:11] <jack_deltrino> This isn't a developer channel right?
[11:11] <AndyCR> jack: what motherboard, rather, sorry
[11:11] <AndyCR> i imagine its some sort of chipset compatibility issue
[11:11] <CarlFK> jack_deltrino: u+1 - general support for us hacks
[11:12] <CarlFK> u-devel is developer channel
[11:12] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: If it was a chipset compatilibity issue, it wouldn't work in Gentoo or Windows.
[11:12] <AndyCR> i mean with fiesty
[11:12] <AndyCR> a comptibility issue with feisty only
[11:13] <jack_deltrino> I would have been fine with just not having USB not functional, but I can't even use X. After a couple hours of downloading all the ubuntu-desktop packages, I've got a right to be pissed.
[11:13] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: If that's the case, I sure hope April 19 brings in some positive changes.
[11:15] <AndyCR> jack_deltrino: same here, im having issues with feisty where firefox doesnt finish downloading anything over 10 megs most of the time
[11:17] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: Wow, seriously. The only reason I downloaded this awful version was that I thought that the switch between Feisty beta -> Feisty would be less painful than Edgy -> Feisty as Dapper -> Edgy was a horrible experience I don't even wish on my worst enemies.
[11:17] <AndyCR> well, any version is less than ideal in beta
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> AndyCR: This is less than decent.
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> If X doesn't work and USB doesn't work, something is seriously wrong.
[11:18] <AndyCR> but yeah, ive never tried to upgrade from one version of ubuntu to another
[11:18] <AndyCR> thats what i like about versions where there is no new version, just updates to packages
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> At least it's not like the early days of Ubuntu where people found serious vulnerabilities in stuff like coreutils.
[11:18] <AndyCR> *distros
[11:18] <soweto76> network-manager does not support newer madwifi cards.  One can now remove network-manager as it is no longer linked to ubuntu-desktop. FWIW
[11:19] <AndyCR> soweto76: what will feisty use for networking in the final release?
[11:19] <AndyCR> yeah, networkmanager seems to hate my card :/
[11:19] <jack_deltrino> I know REVU isn't getting any serious attention either.
[11:19] <pecisk> AndyCR: network-manager
[11:19] <AndyCR> pecisk: i hope they get it working with intel pro/wireless 3945 cards
[11:20] <AndyCR> before release
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> I've submitted a few packages that haven't even been commented on once. I thought it was just me, but then I saw about 60 other packages in the same situation.
[11:20] <pecisk> AndyCR: 3945 didn't required some kind of binary daemon?
[11:20] <AndyCR> yes
[11:20] <AndyCR> sadly
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> It requires a binary daemon just to run a wireless card...?
[11:20] <AndyCR> yep
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> Wow.
[11:20] <AndyCR> didnt know that before i bought the laptop
[11:20] <pecisk> AndyCR: it doesn't work? I have several guys who are using them with Feisty just fine
[11:20] <AndyCR> darn intel
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> I thought Intel was usually good about a lot of this stuff.
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> e100 just works. Same with i810.
[11:21] <jack_deltrino> Except on this box, the i810 doesn't seem to like Feisty.
[11:21] <pecisk> jack_deltrino: to control frequency stuff
[11:21] <AndyCR> pecisk: really? nope, fails to associate
[11:21] <jack_deltrino> pecisk: That can't be done in a stateful manner?
[11:21] <soweto76> andrew, network-manager may also be broken in general but it does not support an Atheros  AR5005G.
[11:21] <pecisk> jack_deltrino: depends on card
[11:21] <AndyCR> me? im not using an atheros card
[11:21] <AndyCR> ah sorry
[11:21] <jack_deltrino> pecisk: Mm, don't know it well enough, but it seems strange.
[11:21] <AndyCR> wrong person
[11:21] <soweto76> AndyCR,  network-manager may also be broken in general but it does not support an Atheros  AR5005G.
[11:22] <Arko> found solution
[11:22] <AndyCR> soweto76: im using an intel card
[11:22] <Arko> alias sudo='command sudo '
[11:22] <jack_deltrino> I can't stand the idiocy of #ubuntu. I've never gotten any help in that channel.
[11:22] <soweto76> AndyCR, take a look at the network-manager web site to see if your hardware is supported.
[11:22] <pecisk> jack_deltrino: it is not that bad, altought it is way too crowded
[11:23] <jack_deltrino> pecisk: People only seem to call !commands and ask stupid questions.
[11:23] <pecisk> afaik to be supported by network-manager drivers should support some kind of API
[11:23] <pecisk> not sure which one
[11:23] <soweto76> AndyCR, or just try remove network-manager and see if it helps. :)
[11:23] <AndyCR> soweto76: yep, says it works
[11:23] <AndyCR> Supports unencrypted, WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks.
[11:24] <AndyCR> soweto76: i would LIKE to be able to use networkmanager
[11:24] <jack_deltrino> Wow. "is Ubuntu 7.04 Beta the lastest stable? or should I stick with edgy?"
[11:24] <pecisk> jack_deltrino: yeah, I know, people who don't even google before plumming in channel to ask are so many
[11:24] <AndyCR> im friends with it if its friends with my card :)
[11:24] <soweto76> AndyCR, pay attention to the versions/revision number if any.  Older madwifi Atheros cards are supported.
[11:25] <pecisk> AndyCR: I had problems with several wifis too, so I guess it have been general problems too
[11:25] <AndyCR> soweto76: I don't have an Atheros card. I used to, and loved it since it Just Worked with everything, but now I have an Intel card
[11:25] <pecisk> AndyCR: tried launchpad.net?
[11:25] <soweto76> AndyCR, I never figured out what network-manager was for eh.  ;)
[11:25] <pecisk> AndyCR: to search for a bug
[11:25] <AndyCR> yeah
[11:25] <AndyCR> no bugs
[11:25] <AndyCR> similar bug, but not identical
[11:25] <pecisk> AndyCR: then why don't report one?
[11:25] <AndyCR> and different in that he could actually connect
[11:25] <pecisk> AndyCR: which one?
[11:26] <AndyCR> ill find it
[11:26] <jarle> jack_deltrino: Stay with edgy a couple of weeks more until the final feisty is out..
[11:26] <AndyCR> pecisk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/83235
[11:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 83235 in network-manager "DHCP IP lease fails (ipw3945)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:26] <AndyCR> heh yep
[11:27] <AndyCR> useful bot
[11:27] <pecisk> What I think ubuntu should have is moderated channel for sane people to asking help, where moderator would paste in questions from users and would gave answers
[11:27] <AndyCR> good idea
[11:28] <pecisk> AndyCR: it smells like my problem with bcm wifi
[11:29] <pecisk> AndyCR: got list of ap, connecting, providing password but dhcp fails
[11:29] <pecisk> maybe it is bug in network-manager
[11:29] <AndyCR> yeah
[11:29] <pecisk> AndyCR: I would suggest to fill bug definitely
[11:30] <AndyCR> maybe i should get a new version of network-manager and try compiling it manually and installing it
[11:30] <AndyCR> pecisk: i would fill a bug but i dont know what to provide
[11:30] <AndyCR> im a 5 year old user, yet a newbie :/
[11:30] <AndyCR> i couldnt tell you where on earth my system log was
[11:30] <pecisk> AndyCR: follow that bug
[11:30] <soweto76> I'm betting on network-manager as the culprit.  Try removing it and see if it helps.
[11:30] <pecisk> AndyCR: lspci, dmesg, then log of network-manager
[11:30] <AndyCR> follow that bug? not sure what you mean
[11:30] <pecisk> stuff
[11:31] <AndyCR> soweto76: how would removing it help me with it? the problem is with networkmanager, so how can i fix it by not having it?
[11:31] <AndyCR> pecisk: where is the network-manager log?
[11:31] <Wechner> hello, I am trying to setup bitlbee here on my newly installed Ubuntu 7.04 . I have installed xinetd and bitlbee has an entry in /etc/xinetd.conf but I cannot connect to it. What goes wrong here?
[11:32] <soweto76> AndyCR, To get my network up I had to either remove network-manager or use "sudo /etc/init.d/networing restart" to get connected.
[11:32] <pecisk> AndyCR: it dumps it's log to /var/log/syslog or to dmesg
[11:33] <AndyCR> pecisk: ok, thanks
[11:33] <pecisk> AndyCR: try to grep both with NetworkManager
[11:33] <soweto76> AndyCR, at one point network-manager could not be removed without removing ubuntu-desktop but that dependency had now been changed.
[11:33] <pecisk> soweto76: why not finding out why Network Manager fails first? :) He can remove it anytime :)
[11:35] <soweto76> pecisk, Great idea.  I was not capable of figuring that out.  However, removing it might help point to network-manager as the problem.
[11:37] <pecisk> AndyCR: any success? :)
[11:40] <BrandonB> When I boot kernel image 2.6.20-14-generic the boot up freezes with a line 174.404000, just after "loading acpi"
[11:40] <BrandonB> any thoughts?
[11:40] <BrandonB> I have had this problem on my Acer 1410 ever since the release of image 13
[11:40] <pecisk> BrandonB: ACPI problems
[11:41] <pecisk> add acpi=off
[11:41] <stefg> BrandonB: /j #ubuntu+1... 2.6.20 -14 is troublesome for reasons
[11:41] <aaroncampbell> has anyone tried using zend platform with (K)ubuntu Feisty?
[11:41] <BrandonB> its a laptop, I really cant do much without it...
[11:41] <BrandonB> :-(
[11:41] <stefg> BrandonB: so don't use a beta
[11:42] <BrandonB> fair response, but I have never been able to get any fewer releases to install
[11:44] <AndyCR> not yet
[11:44] <AndyCR> turns out i have the latest version
[11:45] <peter77> I've found some drivers on the intel site for my Mobile intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset
[11:45] <stefg> BrandonB: you can still boot -13 or -12. They are still there and accessible when you press 'esc' at bootup (as the prompt indicates)
[11:45] <peter77> but it says that only suse is supported!
[11:45] <peter77> does that mean install on any other distro at own risk?
[11:46] <AndyCR> peter77: bah, probably has something to do with the novell deal.....
[11:46] <AndyCR> i wouldnt pay much attention
[11:46] <peter77> lol, I just don't want to mess up my system
[11:46] <AndyCR> ?
[11:46] <AndyCR> mess up?
[11:46] <pecisk> peter77: do you need graphics drivers or what?
[11:46] <AndyCR> its not going to damage your hardware because your running a different distro
[11:46] <peter77> yeah
[11:47] <peter77> not hardware, OS
[11:47] <pecisk> AndyCR: you have all updates mentioned in that bug? It could be DHCP problem
[11:47] <BrandonB>  stefg: I can boot 12 but what happens when they release the final version? will I be out of luck?
[11:48] <pecisk> AndyCR: try to do "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager" and paste results to pastebin.ca - if there is any
[11:48] <stefg> BrandonB: you can update to the then released kernel... -14 isn't the one which will be in the final release as i guess (won't boot for me, too)
[11:49] <XamDM> how can i get the uuid of a device ???
[11:49] <AndyCR> pecisk: i have the version he mentions updating to
[11:49] <stefg> sudo vol_id /dev/foo
[11:50] <AndyCR> pecisk: http://pastebin.ca/427614
[11:51] <XamDM> stefg, thx
[11:51] <AndyCR> Apr 6 15:36:30 eclipse NetworkManager: <information>^Iwpa_supplicant(9473): Trying to associate with 00:15:05:24:1f:15 (SSID='acr' freq=0 MHz)  Apr 6 15:36:33 eclipse NetworkManager: <information>^IActivation (eth1/wireless): association took too long (>120s), failing activation.
[11:51] <AndyCR> might be relevant
[11:53] <AndyCR> (near the end)
[11:53] <pecisk> AndyCR: no, it is not DHCP bug
[11:53] <pecisk> hmmmm
[11:54] <peter77> "ensure x-server is not currently running"?
[11:55] <pecisk> AndyCR: first google hit http://www.nabble.com/ipw3945-fails-to-associate-t3512660.html
[11:55] <aaroncampbell> I'm trying to build a debian package like this: aaroncampbell@aaron-linux:~$ dpkg -b magicolor2430DL-1.5.0 but I keep getting dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `magicolor2430DL-1.5.0/DEBIAN/control' near line 7: missing package name
[11:55] <soweto76> pecisk, look what I got eh: http://pastebin.ca/427620
[11:56] <aaroncampbell> the control file it's talking about: http://paste-bin.com/11360
[11:58] <AndyCR> pecisk: thats certainly relevant, but doesnt provide a solution.. wonder if there is one
[11:58] <AndyCR> i hope there is :/
[11:58] <pecisk> AndyCR: remove Network Manager and try to connect with iwtools
[11:58] <AndyCR> like iwconfig?
[11:58] <pecisk> AndyCR: it will give complete picture if it is Network Manager bug and worth reporting
[11:58] <pecisk> AndyCR: yep
[11:59] <AndyCR> that works fine, and is what im using now
[11:59] <soweto76> AndyCR, after removing network-manager I did not have to do anything in my special case
[11:59] <AndyCR> soweto76: it works fine with iwtools when i remove network-manager, minus dropped downloads
[11:59] <AndyCR> *WITHOUT removing network-manager
[12:01] <pecisk> AndyCR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/89092
[12:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 89092 in network-manager "Unable to connect to an open network, wlassistant can connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:01] <pecisk> it is similar to mine and your bug
[12:02] <pecisk> AndyCR: question - network you are trying to connect to is open or crypted?
[12:03] <soothsay_> Can anyone tell me how to bridge a wireless connection to a wireline (i.e. internet connection sharing)?
[12:03] <AndyCR> pecisk: encrypted, wep
[12:05] <pecisk> AndyCR: so, in nutshell, without networkmanager, wifi works, with it, it doesn't
[12:05] <pecisk> right?
[12:06] <AmyRose> The nvidia-legacy driver with my GeForce 4 causes X to segfault!
[12:08] <BrandonB> I got bumped and didnt know it...
[12:08] <zemo> my xfree 86 kinda flashes
[12:08] <zemo> what up with that
[12:08] <zemo> did i set one of those #s wrong
[12:08] <soweto76> AmyRose, take a look on x.org for specific info re your graphics card as described by lspci
[12:09] <AmyRose> somebody__: I installed nvidia's 9631 driver...
[12:09] <BrandonB> FYI I have reported the ACPI problem as  Bug #96784 in launchpad
[12:09] <AmyRose> *soweto76:
[12:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 96784 in Ubuntu "installed updates today at about 10:30pm EDT, Ubuntu will not boot, fails on line 50.884000" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96784
[12:09] <jarrett>  Hello, does anyone know of a good guide to configure the Logitech Mx510 under Feisty?
[12:10] <AndyCR> pecisk: yes
[12:10] <jarrett> =)
[12:10] <AmyRose> soweto76: I'm not a newbie. I'm saying this because someone told me I should use that with my Geforce 4 until the 96xx drivers get packaged for Ubuntu
[12:11] <soweto76> AmyRose, Have you already tried nvidia-glx  --  not "legacy"
[12:11] <AmyRose> soweto76: Duh.
[12:12] <AmyRose> soweto76: They don't support the GeForce 4 in the new one
[12:12] <AmyRose> I get a message in Xorg.0.log saying that they don't support my card anymore
[12:13] <soweto76> AmyRose, sorry about that
[12:13] <jarrett> AndyCR, was that yes to me?
[12:13] <AndyCR> jarrett: no
[12:13] <AmyRose> soweto76: I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated because people keep giving me the same suggestions when the only solution is to bypass the restricted modules package and install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com
[12:14] <soweto76> AmyRose, my GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x is supported by the legacy version
[12:14] <AmyRose> soweto76: Mine just causes X to segfault.
[12:15] <AmyRose> soweto76: I'm using a GeForce 4 420 Go in my laptop
[12:15] <josh__> anybody around?
[12:15] <AmyRose> soweto76: And I like being able to use Beryl ;P
[12:16] <sF_> i've got a problem with ubuntu detecting my ide harddrives (not SATA, ATA) as scsi
[12:16] <sF_> i THINK this is a udev problem
[12:16] <AmyRose> sF_: That's because Linux 2.6.19 and later use new IDE drivers that list everything as SCSI
[12:16] <soweto76> AmyRose, That's a bummer, sorry I could not be of more help.
[12:16] <sF_> but i can't figure out how to convince udev to make my ide block devices IDE and not scsi
[12:17] <AmyRose> sF_: See my comment above
[12:17] <sF_> hrm
[12:17] <sF_> well i can't set my hd parms correctly right?
[12:17] <sF_> since sdparm doesn't have the same functionality?
[12:17] <sF_> cause i'm getting HORRIBLE performance out of them
[12:18] <AmyRose> sF_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=541094
[12:18] <sF_> thx AmyRose
[12:18] <AmyRose> sF_: Sorry it doesn't have a solution, but it does explain the problem
[12:19] <AmyRose> soweto76: It's not really a bummer because it works fine if I blacklist the nvidia drivers in /etc/defaults/linux-restricted-modules-common
[12:19] <sF_> *sigh* great
[12:19] <sF_> guess i might downgrade kernels :(
[12:20] <AmyRose> sF_: Did you just try hdparm on them?
[12:20] <sF_> yeah, no go
[12:20] <AmyRose> darn
[12:20] <AmyRose> You may be able to downgrade the drivers
[12:20] <AmyRose> but I don't know
[12:20] <sF_> they're WD drives (i'll never use anything else cept maybe a seagate cheetah :P) so i need to lower the maxsectio
[12:20] <sF_> among other things
[12:22] <guillem101> I've installed feisty at a new laptop. Everything is almost OK, but the machine stops a while during the boot process at "configuring network interfaces". The stop is of about 30-40sec. Any ideas?
[12:24] <AmyRose> guillem101: /etc/network/interfaces has a bunch of junk in it. Remove it
[12:24] <AmyRose> guillem101: A recent update threw a bunch of junk into that file