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tomingliswizard_: and stop networkmanager from loading automatically12:25
wizard_tominglis: cos i like network-manager cos i travel some12:26
wizard_and it can autodetect and it can manage more than one wifi12:26
tomingliswizard_: ok :) well, i don't know how to fix it i'm afraid12:26
AmyRoseUgh, I had to kill network-manager for KDE apps to be able to access the Internet--I have to use a script here12:26
ChicoryWait, be right back.12:26
wizard_i was hoping feisty would of had a few of the bugs worked out12:26
tomingliswizard_: knetworkmanager annoys me cause it always breaks, mebbe there will be an update to networkmanager soon to fix your problem?12:27
tomingliswizard_: is there a bug for it on launchpad?12:27
wizard_tominglis: i don't know, primarily because i don't know if its a bug thats specific to me or specific to the program12:27
wizard_i am trying to trace the problem first12:27
wizard_i am watching the carrier file of /eth1 and watching it go from status 1 to zero when the timeouts happen12:27
tomingliswell, check out launchpad to see if other people have the same problem?12:28
tominglisyeah12:28
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tominglisdoes it work in other operating systems?12:28
AmyRoseWhat is the proper way to stop NetworkManager to let a script take over?12:28
tominglistry knoppix or fedora 7 live12:28
Stormx231 more packages left to grab :D12:29
Stormx2How long might it take to upgrade after that?12:29
mhoneyhow do you get glxgears to display FPS?12:30
AmyRoseNetwork Manager screws up my connection at school and I have to use a script I wrote to authenticate with the WPA system here12:30
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wizard_network manager was the new wave i thought?12:31
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budluvahey does anyone know if there's going to be any cd/dvd cover art for feisty? i've been looking and havent seen anything yet12:31
gnomefreakmhoney: glxgears -printfps12:31
gnomefreakor its 2 -12:31
gnomefreakor not any more12:31
gnomefreakhmmmm doesnt seem feisty has that flag anymore12:32
gnomefreakglxgears -info   will do it12:32
gnomefreakseems they combined flags12:33
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DaemonikJust installed Xubuntu FF AMD64 with the alternate disk, grub loads, when I hit enter the monitor makes a high frequency sound like it's getting a signal it can't use then turns off, num-lock key won't light up nothing happens for minutes. Startup using "recovery mode" works. There a way to set what the framebuffer's resolution or frequency is?12:34
wizard_great my sound doesn't work now!12:34
lavidhello all :). judging by the release schedule, it seems a new herd cd is coming out today, is that correct?12:35
budluvabeta is out, after that its just final, am i not correct?12:36
wizard_no sound :-(12:36
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budluvaahh12:37
budluvaherd 6 i guess12:37
budluvaand rc12:37
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budluvameh, i just apt-get upgrade :P no point wasting all those cd's :P12:38
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wizard_anyone know why sound wouldn't be working on an asus a8jm laptop that worked just 20 minutes ago in edgy?12:38
lavidyeah, i know. i figured that if i was going to download it anyway, maybe i should wait another day for herd612:38
lavidwizard_: poke around in alsamixer12:39
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wizard_lavid: the hardware is fully identified too12:39
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lavidwizard_: yeah, alsamixer gives more options than the gnome or kde mixers do, try poking around in there. it might be that the volume is turned down on some mixer you don't know about12:40
wizard_im in there and theres still nothin' really in it12:40
budluvawizard_: check mixer properties and make sure nothings muted12:40
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wizard_nothing is12:40
wizard_still no sound12:40
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wizard_flustering me now12:41
Blind32i have a quick easy question12:41
Turmsi have problems with feisty+beryl, when x starts beryl starts as well but the window decorator tries several times and eventually stops, afterwards i run beryl --use-copy and it works, i tried changing beryl-manager -> advanced options -> use copy but it doesn't work, only i i run beryl --use-copy it works12:41
budluvawizard_: external amplifier is checked?12:41
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wizard_budluva: i cant see that12:42
psyke83Hi, is anyone having trouble when you try to connect to a secured wireless network with NetworkManager? If you do please let me know, I may be able to help12:42
wizard_budluva: remember this is a laptop12:42
budluvawizard_: yeah12:42
Blind32on the faq for wireless adapter, i have a netgear wg311 with the marvel chip set, so i'm using ndiswrapper12:42
nixnoobhey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?12:42
Blind32says to type sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`    what is the uname -r part12:42
wizard_budluva: its still not playing any sound 0.o12:43
wizard_yet alasa fully sees it12:43
budluvaopen your volume control (double-click speaker icon beside your date/time), then EDIT/PREFERENCES, scroll down to bottom, click external amplifier, close that, then it should show up in a new tab SWITCHES, make sure its checked12:43
nixnoobblind type uname -r in console12:43
wizard_yup tis chcked12:43
budluvahrmm12:44
nixnoobhey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?12:44
budluvaall volumes turned up?12:44
wizard_yup12:44
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lupine_85nixnoob: I've never trusted ntfsresize12:44
Blind32ty nixnoob12:44
budluvathat external amp is the only thing thats ever held me back from audio12:44
budluvawizard_: i dunno then12:44
wizard_well this is jacked12:44
lupine_85I've seen it destroy several ntfs partitions12:44
wizard_i'll brb12:44
nixnoobso i should use a windows parition manager and then just install feisty on the newly created partition?12:44
firefoxmanHi, I am having an issue with my update manager. It says that the update it is trying to apply cannot be authenticated.12:45
lupine_85that'd be safest, yes12:45
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firefoxmanIt is an update to kaffine and kaffine-xine.12:45
firefoxmanDid I do something wrong?12:45
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wizard_still no sound :-(12:47
firefoxmanHELLO?12:47
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wizard_i dont get it... ubuntu clearly knows what type of sound there is its got it fully identified. just no sound!12:49
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Blind32lol12:49
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gnomefreakwizard_: make sure its not turned off in alsamixer12:50
Blind32when i type the make command, it has no problem making the .o files, but it can't find the library for the .c files12:50
wizard_gnomefreak: i checked that everything is turned off12:50
wizard_on*12:50
wizard_got all bars up12:51
wizard_still nothing12:51
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gnomefreakbut i do rmeember it was turned off by default about 3 months ago12:51
wizard_how do ou turn it back on? cos it all looks like the voumes are up12:52
mphillBefore today's upgrade. the volume control looked mac'ish, now its small and looks lame.  anyone experience this?  if i use the volume control on the keyboard it doesn't look good anymore....12:52
Blind32so when i type make, it says cannot find stdlib.h stdio.h errno.h string.h libgen.h12:52
DaemonikAre you developers paying attention? mphill says the new volume adjust display SUCKS12:53
mphillyeah, the one before was awesome...12:53
DaemonikI'm curious to what it looks like. Point me to a screenshot if you have one mphill12:54
wizard_so still no resolve on the sound?12:54
mphillDaemonik, I will post it on my website.  I wish i had a screen shot of the one i liked.  it looked just like mac though12:54
wizard_no sound im dying uhg12:56
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mphillhttp://www.mphill.org/~mphill/this_volume_stinks.jpg12:57
mphillDaemonik, i left some of the gnome panel in there for perspective.12:58
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LassePhello agaigen trying to move feisty to another partion using tar (from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311) , but how to get it booting from it?12:59
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mphillLasseP, I would recommend using grub-install01:00
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mphillmake sure you use the root device and not a partition, but I have heard of people using the install cd to restore grub.  I think that would work best because it seems to recognize your setup and install accordingly.01:01
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Ximal_hmm hello guys ?01:02
LassePmphill: ok I try grub thx01:02
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Ximal_gerv you still here ?01:02
Ximal_ughh gnomefreak ?01:02
gnomefreakughh what?01:03
Ximal_ok i got the audio to work01:03
Ximal_i had the jack plugged into the left/right sided audio for my surround sound.. didn't realize i had a front/all sound port..01:03
Ximal_so i plugged in to every port until it had sound.. and blam.. it worked01:03
mphillXimal_, oops!01:03
Ximal_now i gotta get the video to work..01:04
mphillXimal_, what video card?01:04
mphillI can help....01:04
Ximal_one of the gforce 6800's01:04
mphillok01:04
mphillyou have some options01:04
Ximal_i'm in windows right now..01:04
mphilli assume you are running feisty?01:04
Ximal_yeah01:04
Ximal_it rocks man.. lol01:04
mphillyes it does01:05
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mphillwell, lets reboot into linux and i will guide you01:05
Ximal_hmm ok..01:05
Ximal_brb01:05
mphillhurry, i need to buy a DVD burner soon :)01:05
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Blind32when i typed make, it can't find stdio.h, i downloaded it, where does it look for it?01:07
mphillBlind32, its your include path01:07
Blind32./usr/include/01:08
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mphilltype find / -name stdio.h01:08
mphillverify its where it is01:08
mphillor maybe try installing the meta package build-essential ? did you do that01:08
Blind32when i do a find or locate its not there01:09
Blind32nope haven't done that01:09
mphilltry apt-get install --reinstall build-essential01:09
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XVampireXHow do I disable scim?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!01:09
XVampireXWhy do you enable scim for me?!01:09
XVampireXI didn't ask you...01:09
Blind32souldn't find package build-essential01:10
mphillhold on01:11
mphillis there01:11
mphilldo you have all your repositories turned on01:11
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Ximal{}ok01:11
Ximal{}i'm back01:11
Ximal{}where u at m8 ?01:12
mphillhere01:12
mphilli'm writing up a mini-howto01:12
mphill1 seconds01:12
Ximal{}okie doke..01:12
Ximal{}i mean i can see and am using default ubuntu gui01:13
Ximal{}i'm wondering if there are any other ones i can install like blackwidow etc .. lol01:13
Ximal{}or BOX01:13
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mphillhttp://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/1201:16
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mphillXimal{}, try that, i wrote it from memory but it should get your full 3d with nvidia binary drivers01:16
mphillXimal{}, i have to asked though, do you get the popups for restricted drivers? what herd version are you running?01:17
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sswitchingHi, can anyone recommend where I can get a 'good' sources.list?01:18
yaccinis there a problem with the latest binutils package?01:18
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sswitchingthe last one i downloaded off the forums seem to do the job except after i'd disabled a third-party repository, i am unable to do any updates01:19
Ximal{}no  i get normal playback01:20
Ximal{}i need to figure out how to play a dvd to test playback fully01:20
Ximal{}is there a way to play dvd's with basic ubuntu install ?01:20
Ximal{}mphill , did you get that ?01:21
mphillsswitching,  http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/source.list01:21
Ximal{}huh ?01:22
Ximal{}oh ok01:22
sswitchingthanks. mphill01:22
mphillXimal{}, let me look, i don't even know if i have mine setup01:22
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Ximal{}its auto installing for me.. soooo sweet01:24
Ximal{}i'm sooo happy LOL01:24
Ximal{}OMG THE MOVIE IS PLAYING01:24
Ximal{}brb01:24
mphillXimal{}, what did you do?01:25
Ximal{}well01:25
Ximal{}1 moment.. i'm drewling01:25
Ximal{}wow dude01:25
Ximal{}the color is better than in windows01:25
sswitchingwatcha drewling bout?01:25
Ximal{}i got my movie player to w0rk01:26
mphillwhat did you do to get dvd playback working?01:26
Ximal{}ubuntu asked me if i wanted to install the proper codec when i put a dvd in..01:26
Ximal{}when i put the dvd player in i had the vid player open01:26
Stormx21 hour 36 minutes remaining heh01:26
Ximal{}i double clicked on the cdrom thing01:27
Stormx2I sure hope this works01:27
Ximal{}and it used glib setup program01:27
Ximal{}auto installed packages/downloads and blam.. works01:27
mphillhumm01:27
mphillmy install is probably broke, its old.  mine is broke01:27
Ximal{}no menu's access etc01:27
Ximal{}just main movie playback01:27
sswitchingXimal{}, do you think apps would break once i replace the source.list with yours and do an update - i sure dont mind as long as I can watch movies and browse.01:27
sswitchingXimal{}, umm..thats for mphill01:28
Ximal{}lol01:28
Ximal{}i know.. i was kinda in aww someone would ASK ME for advice lol01:28
mphillsswitching, no01:28
sswitchingmy source.list looks pretty much like it too.01:28
Stormx2Why not sure easysource?01:28
sswitchingXimal{}, perhaps someday you will.01:28
sswitchingStormx2, i've had bad luck with these easysource and other auto-user-is-dumb scripts. i used to be the kinda guy who keeps an updated package cache of 3GB+ . not anymore.01:29
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XVampireXPeople01:29
sswitchingI just keep things to a minimum now.01:29
XVampireXhelp me disable this shitty thing called scim01:29
Ximal{}wow01:29
XVampireXI don't want it on my PC it's buggy01:29
Ximal{}this is nice01:29
Ximal{}movie playback.. sound.. all in 1 day01:30
Ximal{}next.. vmware install ;)01:30
Ximal{}bet i get it tonight when i get up01:30
Stormx2sswitching: It isn't a package. It is something on the web01:30
Stormx2highly recommended01:30
sswitchingXimal{}, you plan to run windows on it?01:30
Stormx2!easysource01:30
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:30
Stormx2(I hate automatix as much as you)01:30
Stormx2Oh01:30
Stormx2Its source-o-matic01:30
Stormx2Bah01:30
Stormx2I forget01:30
sswitchingStormx2, oh oh- i thought its one of those installation scripts.01:30
Ximal{}sortof01:30
Ximal{}for eq2.. i don't feel like installing an emulator01:31
sswitchinggoodness...i've completely forgotten about source-o-matic. i used it back when i installed edgy..heh01:31
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TroelsGood evening01:34
LassePtrying sudo grub-install /dev/sda (booted an kubuntu cd) but gives Could not find device for01:34
TroelsWhy won't Feisty automount external harddrives?01:35
LassePit do here usb01:36
Troelswierd01:36
Troelswhen i plug in my drive, nothing happends01:37
Troelswhen i do the same in Edgy, it pops up automagically01:37
LassePI cant help just say it works here01:37
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Troelsis it possible to mount the drive in any other way?01:38
Troelsok :)01:38
LassePmaby usb driver is broken01:38
Blind32sweet01:38
Troelsno, cause my mouse works, and it's usb01:38
Blind32figured it out on my own01:38
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defendguinever since a few days ago now it pauses at configuring network costing me 20 seconds during boot01:40
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defendguinits very annoying watching the bar stop for so long on this machine01:41
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michael_even after i reinstalled the nvidia-glx-legacy pacage, i still seem to not get 3d working..... but before in edgy i got it to work...?? what next?01:43
XVampireXHELPME01:43
XVampireX PLEASE!01:43
michael_Your system does not have the required software to enable 3D mode. Please contact your system administrator and ask them to install the OpenGL Python bindings and the GtkGLExt Python bindings.01:44
michael_???? i had it before....01:44
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XVampireXCAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?!01:46
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wizard_so i guess the sound issue is the kernel??01:51
LassePif I install kubuntu now can I later install gnome on it?01:52
Eleafyes LasseP01:52
Eleafyou would just do sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop01:52
Eleafor use synaptics or something.01:53
FunnyLookinHatactually01:53
FunnyLookinHatit's sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop01:53
Eleafwell then.01:53
FunnyLookinHatand for kde - sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    : )01:53
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Eleaft3h drama FunnyLookinHat01:53
Eleaf;)01:53
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LassePoki thanke then I do that now!01:53
wizard_LasseP: lots of space used but yew01:54
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FunnyLookinHatlol01:54
wizard_i wish i knew why sound isn't working on feisty01:54
LassePwell hdds is cheep those days >(01:54
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LassePops wrong keymap01:55
ChicoryOkay, so ... somwhow I managed to get my nvidia card uninstalled already.01:55
FunnyLookinHatwizard_, search the forums for your audio chipset or computer model for a fix... and please bug report it on launchpad.net    : )01:55
ChicoryNvidia-glx is giving me hell, and the official installation .sh says I'm not supported ...01:55
ChicoryIs there any documented way to reinstall the drivers?01:55
wizard_FunnyLookinHat: its been bug reported01:56
FunnyLookinHatjust sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx01:56
FunnyLookinHatthen do01:56
wizard_i tried the workaround and it failed01:56
FunnyLookinHatsudo nvidia-xconfig01:56
PriceChildChicory, you on a new-legacy card?01:56
ChicoryWell, I tried that.01:56
ChicoryHmm>?01:56
ChicoryHow would you define a 7300?01:56
ChicoryEr, no, 7600.01:57
ChicoryMy old one was a 7300.01:57
PriceChildthat's definitely not legacied01:57
XVampireXPeople are you kidding me?01:57
FunnyLookinHatAbout what XVampireX01:57
XVampireXI really don't want scim....01:57
XVampireXwhy is this forcing me to use scim?01:57
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XVampireXIs ubuntu the next windows?01:57
XVampireXI can't disable it...01:57
FunnyLookinHatWhat is scim ?01:58
wizard_well this is depressing01:58
wizard_no audio on feisty01:58
ExodusCI was directed over here from #xubuntu... Anyone know of a procedure for installing NVIDIA drivers on Xubuntu for a 7000 series card?  Everything I've seen only covers 4, FX, and 6 series cards... I'm running a 7800GTX.01:59
FunnyLookinHatExodusC,     sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig01:59
ChicoryNot to spam, but it seems that ... subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 201:59
PriceChildExodusC, in feisty?01:59
XVampireXWhy do you people keep asking what is scim?!01:59
FunnyLookinHatOr enable restricted drivers through the GUI.01:59
PriceChildXVampireX, because they don' tknow whati t is?02:00
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ExodusCPriceChild: Yes.02:00
PriceChildExodusC, use the restricted-manager02:00
PriceChildor !nvidia02:00
LassePfeisty is so damn nice it gimme back old Amiga feeling :)02:00
ExodusCI did the package manager and attempted to get them, but it crashed my X server.02:00
ExodusCI'm very new to linux btw... heh02:00
mphillExodusC, you will enjoy it...02:01
Blind32can anyone help me with a WPA-PSK problem02:01
ExodusCHeh, was that sarcasm? :P02:01
mphillno02:01
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ChicoryDude, this linmodem driver RULES.02:02
ExodusCI mean, I think Linux seems like a good alternative OS.  I've always been a Windows guy, I know it like the back of my hand, so it's a little different being on Linux.02:02
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ChicoryYes, you can vivisect the hand and put it back together in any way you want.02:02
budluva__ExodusC:  that should change :P02:02
mphillExodusC, are you trying to use the binary installer02:02
ChicoryAnd isntall themes for every fingernail.  XD02:02
Chicory*install02:02
ExodusCmphill: I used Package Manager to get the nvidia package last time, but it crashed my X server, so I'm not so sure I should use that02:03
mphillExodusC, I wrote this manual install howoto for NVIDIA -> http://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/1202:03
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mphillThis should work for you02:04
mphillbbl02:04
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ChicoryThanks, mphill.02:05
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LassePthe only trouble when install nvidia I had was it used singel core, but it was easy fixed!02:07
ExodusCErr, so, I'm curious, when I go into the terminal window by using Alt+Ctrl+F1, how do I return to X-windows.. heh02:08
LassePalt ctrl F702:08
ArkoAlt+F702:08
LassePoki install done reboot :)02:09
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smart_Hi,Why kernel 2.6.20.14 wont loading02:11
Daemoniksmart_, Try recovery mode, it worked for me02:12
DaemonikThen just hit ctrl-d and things seem to start up as normal02:12
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duslowany here use nomachine on 7.04?02:13
duslow*anyone02:13
smart_Daemonik, ok Thanks02:14
smart_Will try02:14
smart_Bye02:14
DaemonikGood luck02:14
Arkois 2.6.20.14 out?02:15
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PriceChild!linux-image-generic02:16
PriceChild!info linux-image-generic02:17
ubotulinux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20.13.10 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB02:17
PriceChild!info linux-image-generic feisty02:17
PriceChildNo :)02:17
Arkooh thanks gosh. I hate upgrading02:18
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ExodusCmphill: I followed your guide, but after I accepted the NVIDIA terms of agreement, it said there was no precompiled interface for my kernel..02:20
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ExodusC:302:24
dragon52225Just asking again...  (because i'm eager to install ubuntu, lol).  Does anyone have any idea on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/10343502:25
ubotuMalone bug 103435 in debian-installer "Install CD Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 02:25
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budluva__can someone please take a look at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14113/02:29
budluva__im having problems mounting my 2nd hdd02:29
budluva__i cant mount because of a bad fstab line, but i dont see anything wrong with my /dev/hdb102:29
budluva__dragon52225: i installed feisty beta cd, had 0 problems02:31
leagrisbudluva__, what entry does not work ?02:33
leagristhe last point to /dev/hdb1 and there are no such partition02:34
budluva__line 16, /dev/hdb102:34
leagriscould you add cat /proc/partitions to the paste ?02:34
leagrisit will list available and usable partitions02:34
Hobartsince feisty's newest xorg is newer than supported by the ati fglrx driver, I guess I need to fall back a version ? :\02:35
budluva__yeah ill add that to the pastebin post02:35
budluva__also added sudo fdisk -l02:35
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budluva__http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14117/02:35
Hobartor has any hacker not posted to wikis/forums and figured out a way to make fglrx work with the new one ;-)02:35
leagrisbudluva__, oups juste found it02:36
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leagriswhen requesting a mount you must spell the mount point and not the device02:36
budluva__budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/02:37
budluva__[mntent] : line 16 in /etc/fstab is bad02:37
budluva__mount: can't find /media/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab02:37
budluva__whats wrong with my fstab line?02:37
budluva__i cant see why its not mounting?02:37
leagrisso you should write : mount /media/hdb1 instead of mount /dev/hdb102:37
leagris/dev/hdb1 is the device node02:37
budluva__yes i know02:37
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leagrisline 1 of the paste is wrong02:38
budluva__line 1 in my fstab?02:38
leagrisline 1 of the paste02:38
leagrissudo mount /dev/hdb102:38
leagristhat's no good02:38
budluva__yeah i get the same error when i mount /media/hdb1, look up a few lines02:39
budluva__here in the channel, not paste02:39
budluva__still telling my i have a bad fstab entry02:39
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leagrisin line 16 you must not have a space after the coma ,02:40
leagristhe line about the mount point options for /media/hdb102:40
budluva__argh02:40
budluva__thanks02:40
leagrisdefault,user instead of default, user02:41
budluva__f'in picky fstab :P02:41
leagrisgparted or qtparted is your friend if you prefer friendy guy02:41
budluva__i used gparted to format that drive02:41
budluva__gparted writes to your fstab too?02:42
leagrisIf you tell it a mount point yes02:42
budluva__hrmm didnt know that, thanks02:43
budluva__hrmm02:43
budluva__it mounted as root02:43
budluva__budluva@feisty:/media$ ls -la02:43
budluva__drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root 4096 2007-04-01 00:25 hdb102:43
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leagrisyes02:44
budluva__budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/02:44
budluva__didnt mount as su though02:44
leagrisbecause you specified the user option02:44
budluva__wtf?02:44
leagrisand you mounted it as root02:44
budluva__no, i mounted it as user02:44
budluva__well doesnt the user option let you mount as user?02:44
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leagrisit does02:45
leagrismaybe the default02:45
budluva__mount as user, but it mounts with root being owner?02:45
leagriswierd02:45
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budluva__hmmm02:45
NirivenIf i get feisty, will it update when the release is out?02:45
leagrisNiriven, yes02:46
Nirivenor do i have to reinstall02:46
Nirivenleagris: Thank you02:46
concept10Anyone worked with the Matchbox WM before?02:46
Nirivenleagris: Appreciated02:46
NirivenAnyone here use xfs or jfs?02:46
budluva__Niriven: it won't update on it's own, it will tell you there are updates to install though, you have to update yourself02:46
Nirivenbudluva: Basically my question is will my sources.list be setup for the release (same as beta)02:46
leagrisNiriven, worked with xfs 2y ago02:47
Nirivenleagris: Hmm, not too impressed? im using ext3, not sure if its the best thing to use. I know there is no best, though, im lookign for something quicker02:47
leagrisNiriven, no need to change the source list. IT already point to feisty02:47
leagrisNiriven, I was not impressed with XFS, I found it quite slow for every day use on desktop02:48
Nirivenleagris: Which filesysystem do you use?02:48
leagrisTryed reiser3 and lost some data/files sometimes with huge CPU usage at times02:48
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leagrisNiriven, ext3,02:49
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leagrisreliable, fast, don't eat cpu cycles...02:49
budluva__Niriven: yes, if you install beta you will be ready to roll when final is out, just sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will get you to final when its out02:49
Stevedmanyone knows why there is no kcontrol items in the KDE menu of feisty?02:49
Nirivenbudluva: kk, i use debian so im familiar with apt, just not sure how ubuntu worked02:50
budluva__Niriven: ubuntu is debian-based so you should be quite familiar with it :P02:50
Nirivenbudluva: I know, but you never know, differnt distributors can change how things work :)02:50
budluva__yeah02:50
leagrisbudluva__, Naddiseo[afk]  in debian there are aliases names for testing and distroname, so if you point your sources.list to testing it will remain in testing state even when release is stable02:51
NirivenI am extremely impressed on how well ubuntu well, 'just works'02:51
leagrisif you point to distroname, you will stay up to that named one02:51
leagrisThere are no such alias with ubuntu02:52
concept10What is the minimum package I need to run X?02:52
Nirivenconcept: what?02:52
leagrisconcept10, apt-get install xserver-xorg and it will drage necessary deps02:53
concept10leagris, so x11-common will not do the trick?02:53
NirivenI dont know if this is warrented or not, but i slightly worry about upgrading. Does ubuntu (even debian) manage deps that are no longer used (as in, delete), etc? Does it keep the system as clean as possible?02:54
concept10Niriven, no02:54
leagrisNiriven, it upgrade ok until it fail ;o)02:54
NirivenPfft :-/02:55
LeeJunFanNiriven: there's an autoremove feature in apt that will remove packages that were installed as dependancies of other packages that are not depended on any more.02:55
concept10Niriven, depending what you do on your system, some things get left over, but upgrades are fine as the packages get replaced02:55
leagrishad to tweak repair quite some upgrade between edgy and feithy02:55
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LeeJunFanNiriven: however, I don't know how it keeps track of that and if it will work upgrading from a system where apt didn't have autoremove to one that does.02:55
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nick_my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help02:56
concept10autoremove will get you in trouble if youre not carefull02:56
Nirivenheh02:57
concept10okay, I need a way to transfer packages to my embedded device, I heard about something that can do this.  Anyone know what im talking about?02:57
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nick_my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help02:58
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concept10I have to look, cant remember what it's called02:58
concept10gosh ubuntu needs another channel02:59
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buuSo uh03:00
budluva__anyone know a good tool to test disk transfer speeds? i want to see what im getting here from hda to hdb03:01
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buuI'm trying to follow instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl for composite managers to get to beryl or compiz or something and it tells me to install xserver-xgl, which doesn't seem to exist any more03:01
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concept10may I safely remove the xserver drivers I dont need?03:06
dragon52225Can anyone decipher these two error lines?  (linux noob)03:13
dragon52225Int 14: CR2 f8000000 err 00000000 EIP c020bc34 CS 00000060 flags 0010000703:13
dragon52225Stack: c00f7c60 c03f12eb c0370be4 0000002 c00f7c69 000f7c60 00000000 0000000003:13
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Stormx2I've been upgrading for 12 hours now.... >__<03:30
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concept10I have installed the matchbox window manager and xserver-xorg but I cant run it because I have no startx!  Where does this come from? (package)03:33
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sighhow do you log in?03:37
sighconcept03:37
sighi have an nvidia 5200, i cant get nvidia drivers to install properly for the life of me03:38
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sightried restricted driver manager, different nvidia drivers, different linux kernels03:39
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michaelfaviawhat is the proper way to auto connect to a bluetooth keyboard and mouse in 7.04?03:40
michaelfaviaedit vim /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?03:41
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michaelfaviaand add the two MAC aadys?03:41
yuriyanybody else have broken sound with newest kernel?03:41
yuriy(that's just a guess, i haven't tested an older one yet)03:41
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michaelfavianm i found a decent guide...03:43
michaelfaviaFF moved BT around a little but it is decently the same...03:43
yuriyfound a thread on it..03:44
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SuperTeecethis last update has seemed to smack me somehow, my computer freezes at the startup screen, I can force it to skip whatever process is causing it with ctrl-alt-del, how can I find out which part of the boot process is sticking?03:47
SuperTeecenevermind, just found it in the forums, its not just me, yay03:49
defendguinSuperTeece: its doing a configure network things03:49
defendguindamn03:49
M4ri00shSuperTeece:03:50
M4ri00shwhat was it?03:50
defendguinM4ri00sh: huh?03:50
M4ri00shwhat was the process which causes the freeze03:51
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mike1opera has crashed in feisty?03:52
M4ri00shSuperTeece: the link to the forum might help :D)03:53
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mike1opera,,X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 16903:54
mike1mmm03:54
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defendguinM4ri00sh: the problem is occurring during the network configuration step of the boot04:03
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M4ri00shdefendguin: hmmm04:06
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defendguinit  was happening in edgy  but it had never happened in feisty until 2 days ago04:06
M4ri00shdefendguin: i am able to get into login screen but after ~2 minutes it freezes04:06
DanaGStill vorking.04:06
DanaGer, wrpmg chamnnnel.04:07
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MenaHave a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)04:07
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M4ri00shdefendguin: if i am able to login, i am able to play within gnome about 1 minute and it's gone :) freeeze04:07
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Death_SargentI have a file that I can't acess04:07
M4ri00sh?04:08
Death_Sargenteverytime I try nautilus fails and restarts04:08
defendguinM4ri00sh: we have different issues04:08
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M4ri00shdefendguin: hmmm :) that is my main issue :)04:08
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slyfoxI have Ubuntu 7.04 beta with all latest updates and I switched from wired to wireless network today and then just now want to go back to hte wired network, i plug in the network cable but the wired connection does not get highlighted in the network manager, I cannot connect to my wired network. Help.04:08
gophi04:08
gopI did a upgrade -d04:08
gopError 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"04:08
gopafter I reboot04:08
gopafter I reboot04:10
MenaI  Have a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz04:10
gopmen my computer goes in to the grub>04:10
gopbut I typed boot04:11
gopI get a error 804:11
gopno kernel is found04:11
gopand I try to do find /04:11
Death_Sargenttry the other kernel04:11
gopit don't find nothing04:11
Death_Sargentshould have 2.6.2704:11
Death_Sargent1704:11
gopfind /vmlinuxlinuz is not found04:11
Death_Sargentwow04:11
Death_Sargentyour six kinds of fucked04:11
gopError 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"04:12
Death_Sargentyou have an install disk for fiesty?04:12
Death_Sargentif not get one04:12
gopnope04:12
Death_Sargentget one04:12
gopI got a install disk for04:12
Death_Sargentdo linux rescue04:12
MenaSo04:12
gopoh04:12
gophmm I may need to burn one04:12
Death_SargentI would get craken04:12
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Mena!grub04:12
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:12
Death_Sargentdownload is slow like a bitch04:12
gopcan I do a linux rescue from a eddgy cd04:13
Death_Sargentno04:13
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Death_Sargentdifferent kernel versions entirely04:13
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Death_Sargentyou could do all kinds of dammage04:14
Mena> I  Have a problem with loading kernel 2.6.20.14 and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz04:14
qkslvrwolfok, the upgrade crushed my video (again...does every time...you would think I would learn)04:14
qkslvrwolfI got my gnome back after about 4 hours work04:14
qkslvrwolfbut the resolution is wrong04:15
qkslvrwolfthe resolution and refresh rates are correct in xorg.conf04:15
gopcan I do a linux rescue04:15
gopfirst find a way to  burn the cd04:15
gopI had d one a dist-d04:15
qkslvrwolfand I've run dpkg-reconfigure about 10 times to get to where I am (latest kernel (20-14) and glx-legacy got me where I"m at04:15
qkslvrwolfany ideas how to get my resolution correct again?04:16
Death_Sargenteverytime I ttry to acess sertain folders nautilus crashes04:16
Mena!kde-devel04:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kde-devel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:16
Mena!kde-level04:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kde-level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:16
qkslvrwolfand whats the gnome menu editing tool, again?04:17
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Kevn_hey guys trying to setup a dell laptop using 1390 mini wireless integrated wifi, any pointers04:23
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black9iceJust installed Feisty, is this partial update safe to do? then continue on with updates after?04:29
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macogw black9ice yeah sure04:35
Draconicusbrb04:36
macogwjust uh, if your next boot is slow, edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out everything but lo04:36
Kevn_I like cake04:36
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pianoboy3333Where's herd 6?04:37
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Hobbseepianoboy3333: cancelled04:37
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pianoboy3333por que?04:38
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macogwpianoboy3333: cuz it coincides with final freeeze04:38
Hobbseeand easter, and devs being on holidays04:38
macogwso theyre just going straight to release candidate04:38
pianoboy3333cool...04:39
Hobbseewas on th eubuntu-devel ML04:39
pianoboy3333so if I were to install feisty.. what iso shoul dI use? beta?04:39
macogwpianoboy3333: if you want a disk that is up to date without a bunch of having to download updates, get the daily build04:39
pianoboy3333okf ine04:39
Hobbseepianoboy3333: yeah04:39
pianoboy3333*ok fine04:39
Hobbseemay not install though04:39
macogwok get the beta and daily build04:40
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macogwand try the daily build first to avoid updates, but then if it doesnt work you'll have a beta on hand04:40
Hobbseethere arent that many updates04:40
Hobbseei'm not sure if the daily builds are up to date, either04:40
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black9iceHobbsee: I have the 7.04 CD, and there is 312mb of updates for me at least04:42
macogwHobbsee: how can it be a daily build and not up to date?04:45
Hobbseemacogw: if the daily builds are on manual again04:49
Draconicusbrb04:50
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nomasteryodaand another kernel update... lol05:01
nomasteryodaso far, so good05:02
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icecrunchercan you guys tell me how to add a command at boot?05:07
shirishicecruncher: most probably in /etc/init.d or /etc/rcS.d05:07
foxinesshey, after i did a reinstall spellcheck not wroking 'tomboy,gaim' ,is there something i need to check or reconfigure / enable?05:07
icecruncherah, my system does not have either file05:09
icecruncherI open them in nano, says it's a new file, so dunno05:10
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_Ben_Last nights updates broke X. I had to edit the driver in my xorg.conf back from 'nvidia' to 'nv' for it to start.05:12
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Hobbsee_Ben_: it's a kernel update.  this is normal.05:14
Hobbseedepending on what they changed05:14
nomasteryodait will get better05:14
nomasteryodawhen they went to -13 it was broken05:15
Hobbseeall of the nvidia kernel stuff needs to be recompiled for the new kernel, due to the abi bump.05:15
_Ben_Hobbsee, Ah, I see. I'll have to run the program to build a new kernel module or whatever then.05:15
Hobbseethis is normal, this happens all the time.05:15
Hobbseewe cant fix it, as we cant control them.05:15
Hobbsee_Ben_: exactly05:15
Hobbseenomasteryoda: not just -13.  all fo them.05:15
nomasteryodaright05:15
Hobbseenomasteryoda: same with ndiswrapper, if you compile that from source05:16
nomasteryodaya05:16
bullgard4What is the proper way to get rid of the old kernels on my computer and grub after several updates?05:16
Hobbseebullgard4: sudo apt-get autoremove05:16
gopdam grub giving me still an error05:17
bullgard4Hobbsee: I will give it a try. Happy Easter!05:17
gopError 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"05:17
Hobbseeyou too!05:17
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Arkowhich program I use to make a screenshot?05:21
smrAnyone here know about why Feisty crashes during ubiquity after continuing after partition settings?05:22
icecruncherno, sorry05:22
icecruncherArko: It's the same one as before05:22
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Bonez56hi, can anyone please link me to a page that I can follow instructions to install Beryl/AIGLX on Fiesty?05:23
Arkoicecruncher: before?05:23
icecruncherI belive it was KSnapshot05:23
Arkojust found it05:24
foxinessBonez56: http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/4/1725405:24
icecrunchercool05:24
Bonez56foxiness, thank you very much05:24
Bonez56foxiness, except I have nvidia lol :)05:24
foxinessBonez56: you well come05:24
foxinessBonez56: haha k05:24
foxinessBonez56: http://mobile.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/04/17324905:25
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Bonez56foxiness, awesome, thanks05:25
_Ben_What would the kernel source path be, assuming I've installed the 'kernel-source' package?05:25
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icecruncherdo any of you know how to add a ommand to bootup?05:26
foxinessBonez56: np05:26
icecruncher* command05:26
Bonez56foxiness, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 <-- this page is cool, it has instructions for everything05:27
foxinessBonez56: i will see thanks for inform me05:27
_Ben_icecruncher, Make a script, put it in /etc/init.d/05:27
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_Ben_icecruncher, Then  update-rc.d 'scriptname' defaults05:28
MegaqwertyWhen I try to boot, it stalls at something like "Enabling Network Interfaces" and the only way for me to boot (which is why I am able to talk to you) is by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which, I thought would cause me to reboot, but instead, killed the process, and allowed the boot to finish. Any ideas as to why it's doing that?05:28
icecruncherk thanks05:28
_Ben_icecruncher, Probably have to chmod the script +X too05:28
icecruncherya05:28
_Ben_icecruncher, I'm no expert, though. So maybe someone in here should confirm what I just said before you run off and do it. ;)05:28
icecruncherthis does sound better than the other methosd that have been suggested05:29
_Ben_icecruncher, defaults should refer to runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 & put a link to stop the script in 0, 1, 6.05:30
foxinessBonez56: for the last two link i just copy/past from my email early i notice its for ati :)05:30
icecruncher_Ben_: can you explain that please?05:30
Megaqwertyicecruncher: I have heard that this method may work, however, I just put it in /etc/init.d and create a symlink to /etc/rc.2.d/ then rename the script as S99<scriptname>05:30
Megaqwertyicecruncher: the S means start, and the 99 means that the script should be executed after all of the other boot scripts have run05:31
_Ben_icecruncher, Maybe just do it Megaqwerty's way. ;)05:31
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icecruncherk05:32
Megaqwertyicecruncher: remember to chmod the script with +x (sudo chmod +x)05:32
icecruncherlol05:32
MegaqwertyCan anyone help me with my above problem?05:34
_Ben_Anyway, I've gotta go get my video driver running again. Later. :)05:34
icecruncherMegaqwerty: however the /ect/init.d file is a new one when I open it in nano05:34
Megaqwertyicecruncher: no, it's a folder05:35
Megaqwertyicecruncher: (/etc/init.d/)05:35
icecruncheroh, put the script in the folder?05:35
Megaqwertyicecruncher: yeah05:35
icecruncherk05:35
Megaqwertyicecruncher: *don't rename the script itself, just the symlink05:36
Megaqwertyicecruncher: sorry about that, I don't think I made that clear05:36
bullgard4Hobbsee: Following your advice did not remove th old kernels and Grub entries. It only removed 3 libraries.05:37
icecruncherno prob05:37
sparrwhere can i find a specific obsolete version of a package?05:37
Pumpernickelsparr: archive.ubuntu.com05:39
Hobbseebullgard4: you can remove them thru synaptic, too05:40
bullgard4Hobbsee: I will check that.05:40
shirishguys anybody has gmailfs running?05:41
shirishit says usr/local/bin/gmailfs.py   /path/of/mount/point gmailfs   noauto,username=gmailuser, password=gmailpass, fsname=zOlRRa05:42
shirishnow what should the mount point be?05:42
icecruncherMegaqwerty: the symlink is a link? you create a link  of the script and rename it?05:43
Megaqwertyicecruncher: let me type out an example...it's been a while since I made a symlink...hold on05:43
shirishanybody?05:44
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Megaqwertyicecruncher: ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>05:44
icecruncherk05:44
icecruncherthank you very much05:44
Megaqwertyicecruncher: you're most certainly welcome. :-)05:44
shirishMegaqwerty: can u help me?05:44
Megaqwertyshirish: possibly05:45
shirishI am trying to run gmailfs driver which is written by a certain Richard Jones http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html05:45
Megaqwertyshirish: I've never attempted or known of the existence of gmailfs05:45
shirishit is a way you can upload files to your gmail account.05:46
Megaqwertyshirish: but I'll read that page, and tell you what I can.05:46
shirishthanx05:46
Megaqwertyshirish: oh, well there is a firefox plugin that does that for you05:46
Megaqwertyshirish: want me to hunt that down?05:46
shirishsure that would be cool05:46
Megaqwertyshirish: okay, hold on05:46
Megaqwertyshirish: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/159305:47
shirishthanx did not know that an extension/add-on existed for that also lol :P05:47
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Megaqwertyshirish: as you will find, there is an extension for almost anything :-D05:50
shirishMegaqwerty: yup, I know I have been giving people the taste of add-ons but Gspace this one is cool05:50
icecruncheryeah gspace is quite nice05:51
icecruncherstill a bit buggy in fx305:52
sacater'2105:52
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wizard__crimsun: hey05:52
wizard__crimsun: im booting my laptop to ubuntu now05:53
wizard__crimsun: you want me to run and paste all these  for you bud?05:53
crimsunwizard__: in one pastebin.ca entry, yes.05:54
wizard__crimsun: okay, they'll be devided by lines05:54
crimsunwizard__: I may need additional info; we'll cross that bridge when we get there.05:54
wizard__crimsun: i've got my laptop logging in now05:54
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wizard_crimsun: back05:54
icecruncherMegaqwerty:  "ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>"  there is no dot between rc2.d lol05:56
icecruncher:)05:56
Megaqwertyicecruncher: whoops05:56
icecrunchergonna test it now05:57
icecruncherso long05:57
Megaqwertyicecruncher: once again, sorry about that. But I'm glad you get the concept05:57
icecruncherja05:57
MegaqwertyGood Luck05:57
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wizard_!paste06:01
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:01
wizard_crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14140/06:02
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wizard_crimsun: got that?06:04
shirishhe got the concept of symbolic linking06:04
crimsunwizard_: yes, please be patient06:04
wizard_crimsun: im good i just wanted to make sure you got it06:04
wizard_my network-manager keeps timing06:04
shirishguys what is the keyboard shortcut to make all the running windows minimize and show the desktop06:06
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shirishalternatively what keyboard combo shortcut will enable me to minimize windows like Gaim?06:06
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shirishanybody?06:07
icecruncherwhat?06:07
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foxinessshirish: press the small icon on upper-left06:07
foxinessshirish: you can find all s-c06:08
shirishfoxiness: I am specifically looking for a keyboard shortcut combo06:08
icecruncherMegaqwerty: it works, thanks again06:08
Megaqwertyicecruncher: You're welcome.06:08
foxinessshirish: & you can go to system>..>key board shortcut to see more06:10
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shirishthat brainwave just entered my head right couple of moments ago when I asked u06:10
crimsunwizard_: amixer set 'Master' unmute && amixer set 'Master' 80% && amixer set 'PCM' unmute && amixer set 'PCM' 80%06:10
foxinessplz do not do that06:10
shirishall in the name of love :)06:11
wizard_crimsun: do that?06:11
crimsunwizard_: copy and paste that into a Terminal06:11
wizard_crimsun: done06:13
wizard_crimsun: next step?06:13
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gerry_hello06:14
crimsunwizard_: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav06:14
gerry_kvm virtual mouse can't work06:14
icecruncherif you cancel the aptitude process it locks the repository, hwo can you unlock it?06:14
wizard_crimsun: i hear nada06:14
xtknightgerry_, you may need to adjust the xorg.conf file under the virtual machine06:15
gerry_ixtknight: xp vm06:15
crimsunwizard_: pastebin ``amixer && cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*''06:15
gerry_xtknight:  xp vm06:15
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xtknightgerry_, oh.. hmm.  i'm not sure06:16
xtknightcheck device manager somehow i'd say.  did you start kvm with mouse parameters or anything?  any thing about the mouse in the command line options?  ps/2/ etc?06:16
gerry_it seems keyboard not work  yet06:16
wizard_crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14142/06:16
gerry_no extra options06:17
gerry_my feisty is up to date06:18
gerry_ps/2 mouse06:18
gerry_three days ago, mouse worked06:18
gerry_but after updated to now, it not work06:19
gerry_i think it's a xorg's problem, but don't know how to fix   it06:19
shirishdoes anybody know of any other application than the now no longer maintained art-manager06:20
shirish!info art-manager06:20
ubotuPackage art-manager does not exist in feisty06:20
shirish!info gnome-art06:20
ubotugnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-5 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB06:20
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wizard_crimsun: i also seem to be having an issue with my refresh rate... its at 50 when it should be 60 but that comes later lol06:22
crimsunwizard_: please try sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop06:22
wizard_crimsun: its in use06:23
wizard_crimsun: i need to kill gtk06:23
wizard_so i'll kill gdm06:23
wizard_and return okay?06:23
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sparrwhere can i find a specific obsolete version of a feisty package?  archive.ubuntu.org only seems to have up to edgy06:27
crimsunwhich version of which binary package?06:28
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foxinessreader!06:28
foxinessadobe!06:29
Megaqwertysparr: possibly at packages.ubuntu.org (or com, I don't remember)06:29
foxinesspdf!06:29
crimsunfoxiness: we can't distribute that for fairly obvious reasons.06:29
sparrcrimsun: ktorrent, any version between current feisty and current edgy06:30
foxinesshaha06:30
foxinesscrimsun: realy?06:31
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wizard_crimsun: okay06:31
crimsunsparr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent , choose any of the feisty versions you want06:31
wizard_crimsun: still no sound man :-(06:31
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nomasteryodagerry_, did you fix it?... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the following line under Section "InputDevice" ... Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" and the line below... "Protocol" "ImPS/2"06:32
crimsunsparr: then, in the upper left, choose the desired architecture, then choose the link under resulting binaries06:33
gerry_nomasteryoda,not yet06:33
nomasteryodak06:33
crimsunwizard_: which model=  did you use?06:33
wizard_what you said06:33
wizard_model=laptop06:33
wizard_should i modify that inside the alasa config too?06:33
gerry_nomasteryoda: and then?06:34
shirishguys how do I delete stuff from desktop without going to trash, shift delete just sends it to trash instead of deleting it, in nautilus > Preferences > Behavior I have checked for delete command bypassing trash?06:34
crimsunwizard_: ok, so now choose model=laptop-eapd06:34
wizard_crimsun: should i be appending this in alasa-base?06:34
crimsunwizard_: you should not be touching /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base06:34
wizard_okay06:35
wizard_cos thats what a lot of guides said to edit06:35
wizard_i'll correct what i put in there now06:35
gerry_nomasteryoda?06:35
nomasteryodagerry_, if those lines are there06:35
nomasteryodayou should be ok06:35
gerry_yes06:35
wizard_crimsun: okay laptop-eapd06:35
gerry_it's there06:35
wizard_brb06:35
gerry_nomasteryoda: nope, it's there from the beginning06:36
sparrcrimsun: thanks06:37
crimsunfoxiness: yes. There's a closed bug about that very reason.06:37
crimsunfoxiness: and don't query me, as I can't respond.06:37
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sparrwhats up with apt-get autoremove?  i used apt in debian for years and never saw that, but in ubuntu i see packages listed for autoremoval every week06:37
wizard_crimsun: should i reboot or drop to init 1 or anything?06:37
wizard_crimsun: cos i still got no sound :-(06:38
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RAOFsparr: autoremove is new (in Edgy)06:38
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foxinesscrimsun: k fine, "acroread_7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10_i386" ? then i go with this ?06:39
sparr.06:39
sparrRAOF: ahh, just a coincidence in timing then06:40
RAOFProbably.  Although if you've been using aptitude, it does autoremove automatically :)06:40
wizard_did i get disconnected? lol06:41
crimsunwizard_: we have several additional models to test06:41
wizard_or is it just quiet06:41
wizard_crimsun: okay.06:42
wizard_crimsun: when applying these do i just need to restart x?06:42
wizard_crimsun: or should i reboot or anything?06:42
crimsunwizard_: after each module load, are you raising and unmuting the appropriate mixer elements?06:42
wizard_yes06:42
wizard_crimsun: i am running the terminal command u gave me06:42
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crimsunwizard_: which terminal command? I've stated several06:44
wizard_the amixer one06:44
wizard_crimsun: to set all the volumes06:45
crimsunwizard_: each model doesn't necessarily have 'Master' and 'PCM' elements06:45
wizard_crimsun: i also check the gui controls06:45
wizard_still no sound06:45
sparrcrimsun: can i download this or do i have to build the deb from the 3 downloadable files?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/2.1-0ubuntu106:47
crimsunsparr: i.e., http://librarian.launchpad.net/6255222/ktorrent_2.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ?06:48
sparrcrimsun: sure.  howd you get that?06:48
crimsunclick the build log for the desired architecture (as stated above), then click the resulting binaries link06:48
sparrahh, thanks06:49
sparrnow i just have to walk back through the versions til i find one that works  :)06:49
wizard_crimsun: what should i do now06:50
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crimsunwizard_: try model=3stack06:54
wizard_crimsun: i think i tried that one already but i'll do it agian. how do i test these out should i init 1 and then init 5 or what?06:54
wizard_crimsun: just modprobe them and see if it works?06:54
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concept10anyone have a fresh install of feisty?  im wondering how many packages are installed .. (do a dpkg -l | wc -l )06:54
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shirishanybody knows a nice small .torrent application like utorrent but for gnome or gtk+ ?06:58
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wizard_crimsun: nope sir06:58
RAOF!deluge-torrent | shirish07:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about deluge-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:00
RAOFBah, silly me.  Anyway, you might be after deluge shirish :)07:00
shirish!info deluge07:00
ubotuPackage deluge does not exist in feisty07:00
RAOF!info deluge-torrent07:01
ubotudeluge-torrent: A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-2 (feisty), package size 1487 kB, installed size 3900 kB07:01
shirishok thanx will try07:01
wizard_crimsun: so which one should we try next?07:01
crimsunwizard_: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel07:02
[Cade] shirish, in case you were wondering, uTorrent works _perfectly_ in wine07:03
[Cade] in fact, uTorrent over wine is considered supported by uTorrent =)07:04
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shirishcade: that would just bloat my environment, as it is right now it is hovering around 60% both in mem as well as cpu07:04
intenguany idea on totem not showing picture when using desktop effects (video plays)07:05
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wizard_crimsun: no sound07:07
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crimsunwizard_: how about from a cold boot?07:09
wizard_crimsun: let me try07:09
wizard_crimsun: should i of been doing that on them all?07:09
crimsunwizard_: no, shouldn't have been necessary. This is an ASUS, correct?07:09
wizard_crimsun: yup07:09
RAOFintengu: Yes, that's a known problem.07:10
wizard_crimsun: here i go07:10
unikuserwhile bootup, feisty is taking login ridiculously time at "Configuring network interfaces". is this intended change? it used to boot fast in edgy07:11
RAOFintengu: You can work around it by changing the video output mode that totem uses.07:11
intenguRAOF: how do I do that07:11
RAOFintengu: It depends on what version of totem you're using.  Are you using totem-gstreamer (the default) or totem-xine?07:12
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wizard_crimsun: :-( nope07:13
intenguRAOF: Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.12 and GNOME07:13
RAOFExcellent.07:13
crimsunwizard_: are you _sure_ you don't have gnome's software mixer muted or something?07:13
crimsunare the speakers/headphones connected snugly?07:13
wizard_crimsun: positive im looking right at it07:13
xtknightanyone else have firefox crash after applying a new theme?07:13
xtknight(has happened on every distro i've tried)07:13
wizard_crimsun: pcm and master are both at max07:13
wizard_with no mute icon07:14
xtknightwell every version of ubuntu at least07:14
RAOFSo, you want to run "gstreamer-properties"07:14
RAOFintengu: Then, you want to change the "Default Output" for video.07:15
crimsunwizard_: does -13.21 work?07:15
wizard_-13.21?07:15
intenguRAOF: change "Default Output" to what?07:16
crimsunthe previous kernel07:16
wizard_crimsun: not sure07:16
wizard_the last i had was 11 i think07:16
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DanaGe1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -2207:19
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wizard_crimsun: we've tried just about everything eh?07:20
crimsunwizard_: not nearly, I'm just very busy (and very tired)07:20
wizard_crimsun: oh07:21
crimsunwizard_: please try -13.21 and tell me if it works07:21
wizard_crimsun: is there a way for me to install it because i went straight from edgy to feisty07:21
RAOFintengu: Try all the options, (at least) one should work07:22
crimsunwizard_: you can find the older version in the archive07:22
wizard_crimsun: okay. i am also tired so i may follow up some more on it tomorrow too07:23
intenguRAOF: working changed it to X Windows System (No XV), thanks07:23
wizard_crimsun: at this current moment i am highly saddened by -14, tis been problematic for me :-(07:23
RAOFintengu: If that's too slow, you can also try installing the gstreamer0.10-gl package, which contains a "glimagesink" element you can use with the "custom" option.07:23
RAOFThat can be faster, but is also more buggy.07:24
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wizard_crimsun: thank you so much for your efforts07:25
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wizard_can we try more tomorrow when you've been rested?07:25
tonyyarussoCould someone visit http://www.specialized.com/ and report whether it works?07:25
crimsunwizard_: sure07:26
RAOFtonyyarusso: In what way "works"?07:26
tonyyarussoRAOF: Can view any products at all.07:26
wizard_crimsun: thanks... im just gonna go sit on windows and play some video games07:26
wizard_crimsun: for a laptop i sure can push out some good gaming :-)07:26
RAOFtonyyarusso: Yup, works for me (Epiphany).07:27
RAOFExcept for the big white square where there should probably be some flash on the homepage07:27
wizard_crimsun: one last thing tho. i heard this error was specific with this particular release of the kernel. so far true?07:27
DanaGWorks for me in Firefox, even with Adblock Plus.07:27
tonyyarussoRAOF: Hmm07:28
intenguhas anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)07:28
crimsunwizard_: it hasn't been brought to my attention if it is specific to -14.2207:28
wizard_crimsun: whats weird is that it worked on -1107:28
wizard_crimsun: virtually everything out of the box07:29
tonyyarussoRAOF, DanaG: I'm getting a black screen called "Choose Region & Language", that just has "Specialized" and "Specialized Partners" on it07:30
DanaGOdd.07:31
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RAOFtonyyarusso: I got that first, but I just selected a region, and it worked.07:31
tonyyarussoRAOF: I don't have the listing of regions for some reason07:31
tonyyarussoCan you give me a direct link to within a region?07:32
RAOFtonyyarusso: Any region in particular?07:33
tonyyarussoRAOF: Something in English ;)  USA.07:33
RAOFhttp://www.specialized.com/bc/home.jsp?a=b&minisite=1002907:33
xtknighttonyy: it loads for me07:33
xtknightits flash tho07:33
xtknightfirefox here07:33
tonyyarussoMan, I can't see anything with that even - this worked earlier, my flash must have buggered07:34
tonyyarussoMight be time for a reboot (Feisty doesn't like 10-day uptimes)07:34
intengutonyyrusso: works for me07:34
tonyyarusso'k, brb07:34
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intenguAny idea - has anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)07:36
RAOFintengu: I've seen a thread on ubuntuforums about it, but I haven't tried it.07:37
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intenguRAOF: ;))07:38
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tonyyarussoRAOF: Still isn't working here.  You're on latest updates I assume?07:43
RAOFYup, as of a couple of hours ago.07:44
tonyyarussofunky07:44
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DanaGadvice: don07:46
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DanaGdon';t cat /dev/watchdog07:46
tonyyarussowhat is it?07:47
shirishdoes anybody know if apport has a log now or not?07:47
xtknightDanaG, that just makes me want to07:47
xtknighthard to resist lessing /dev/watchdog07:47
DanaGIt does nothing, for a while...... then it suddenly reboots.07:47
DanaGAt least, it did for me.07:48
xtknightlol that's not good07:48
xtknightcat: /dev/watchdog: Permission denied07:48
DanaGyou'd have to sudo it07:48
xtknightsudo cat: /dev/watchdog: Invalid argument07:48
DanaGwait a bit...07:48
xtknightlol07:48
xtknight*trembling in fear*07:48
DanaGOr maybe it was /dev/snapshot that did it.07:48
DanaGBeats me.07:48
DanaGhttp://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer07:49
shirishguys any idea how I can upload a 7 mb crash file to launchpad?07:50
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RAOFshirish: I've uploaded a 50Mb crashfile to launchpad.  I just let apport do it :)07:52
shirishRAOF: I tried doing that, I went to have shower thinking apport will do it, but apparently it did not do it or did it, I have no idea, when I came back there is no sign if it did or not.07:53
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xtknight_curiosity killed the cat07:53
RAOFshirish: Oh.  Well, you can also just attach the .crash file (in /var/crash) to your bug, although that's less easy for the devs to use.07:54
shirishI know, I tried also looking for an emaile-dbg but there is no emaile-dbg file there07:55
shirish!info emaile07:55
ubotuPackage emaile does not exist in feisty07:55
shirishsorry that should read as exaile07:55
shirish!info exaile07:55
ubotuexaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB07:55
budluvahas anyone successfully gotten their broadcom wireless to work in feisty?07:56
budluvai have a broadcom BCM4318 airforce one rev 02 card in my laptop07:56
DanaGhttp://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer07:57
shirishRAOF: I cannot do the .crash file as even FF does not have a good uploading thing, I hate running bandwidth07:57
DanaGexail has one thing entirely missing:07:57
DanaGby-folder organization.07:57
xtknightonly one place i see "cat /dev/watchdog"07:58
xtknightscary07:58
xtknighthttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22cat+%2Fdev%2Fwatchdog%22&btnG=Search07:58
RAOFshirish: You can get the dbgsym debs from the debugging page.  I'll just hunt it down.07:58
shirishDanaG: that is a feature bug07:58
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RAOFshirish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash07:58
xtknightMultiple processes may be individually registered with the watchdog, each providing its own07:59
xtknighttimeout time. Each process must update the watchdog within its own timeout interval or the07:59
xtknightsystem will reset.07:59
xtknightahhh07:59
shirishRAOF: thanx07:59
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shirishRAOF: I might need your services once the database is updated08:03
RAOFshirish: Well, I'll be off soon, sorry.08:03
ryan8403so is there anyway to dump/clear the cached memory08:04
shirishok cool, there is some documentation on the wiki, so will try that08:04
RAOFryan8403: Why would you want to?08:04
ryan8403well...right now I have 2 of 3 gigs taken up by cache08:05
xtknightryan8403, adjust vm.swappiness08:05
ryan8403ah..ok..thanks08:06
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eshaasei'm trying to setup my ati drivers on a ubuntu feisty installation and i get the following in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [drm]  failed to load kernel module "fglrx"... any ideas?08:09
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eshaasehow can i get more information regarding the "FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx" error message i get when i try to do a 'sudo modprobe fglrx'?08:18
shirishRAOF: are u still here?08:19
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shirishanybody knows anything about de-bugging a crash around here?08:23
dystopianrayshirish: what crash?08:23
shirishdystopianray: I have a crash file which I want to debug so I can send the smaller files which they can have a look at, know anything about how I can do that?08:24
shirishdystopianray: I have installed the associated dbgsym file needed for it08:25
shirishdystopianray: needed for the package08:25
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dystopianrayshirish: oh, well that would depend on the specific application that crashed i guess, i don't think i can be much help08:26
shirishok cool08:26
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budluvaanyone here with broadcom 4318 wireless working?08:30
budluvai tried bcm43xx-fwcutter and let it install the firmware for me, but its freakin slow, like less than 1k/sec08:30
budluvaFetched 32.9kB in 1m30s (363B/s) thats from archive.ubuntu.com, which i just sucked 1150k/sec from it updating, so its not my connection08:31
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CarinArrmy adept_updater keeps sayig "There's a new kubuntu available, click next to upgrade", but the next button is greyed out!08:57
CarinArrjust a glitch in adept and there isn't actually a new one? or a bug in that i can't click next?08:58
icecruncherprobably a bug08:59
icecrunchermy updater has a glitch as well08:59
icecrunchernot same tough08:59
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CarinArrwhat's yours?;)09:03
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loktaiHi there... I'm using the Feisty Beta on an AMD64 machine, and was wondering if anyone had successfully installed Gyachi on such a setup09:06
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Hidanherd 6?09:08
loktaiI'd assume that's the 6th beta version?09:08
loktaiJust a guess offhand09:08
Hidanoh my bloody gods... i think i posted in the wrong section of the launchpad.09:09
HidanEeeks!!!!09:10
HobbseeHidan: you can fix it09:10
Hidanhow can i fix it?09:10
Hobbseewhat'd you do?09:10
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Hidanoh i posted in linux-source-2.6.2009:10
Hidanboth my bug reports...09:11
LynoureWhat's the deal with this "New version of Kubuntu is available, press next if you want to upgrade" and no next?09:11
Lynoureoh, CarinArr just asked that :)09:11
Hidanhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~yuri-qala -__-;; no way ><;;09:11
poningrubuuh?09:12
CarinArrheh nice to know it's not just me09:12
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CarinArrhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/10360709:12
ubotuMalone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:12
Hidanhow do i inform the developers, then?09:12
HidanThey really need to allow the user to move their bug reports to the correct section.09:12
LynoureCarinArr: my first reaction was that it was April's fools thing that kept on giving...09:12
CarinArrlol09:12
CarinArryeah it's done it for quite a few days but it's getting annoyingly taunting;)09:13
HidanSo, erm, hobbsee : any  suggestions?09:13
poningruCarinArr: you can just go to terminal and do an 'apt-get update' and then an 'apt-get distupgrade'09:13
poningruHobbsee: correct me if I'm wrong09:13
HobbseeCarinArr: that on feisty or edgy?09:15
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HobbseeHidan: so they're both under linux-source-2.6.20 and the later one is supposed to be in cupsys?09:15
Lynoureponingru: does not help with mine: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.09:16
HobbseeLynoure: that on feisty or edgy?09:16
poningruLynoure: did you do a apt-get update?09:16
poningruHobbsee: its ubuntu+1 I assumed its feisty09:16
LynoureHobbsee: feisty, would not be here otherwise09:16
Hidanwell... Hobbsee :yes, both of them are under linux-source-2.6.20 . However, the later one, I'm not sure if it's in cupsys 'cos it could be likely a Feisty issue.09:16
LynoureHobbsee: I get that announcement in feisty, too.09:17
HobbseeLynoure: right.09:17
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HobbseeLynoure: what does it ask you if you want to update to?  feisty?09:17
HobbseeLynoure: plenty of people still try to get edgy support in here09:17
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LynoureHobbsee: it's adept saying "New version of Kubuntu is available, Click next if you want..." and no next.09:18
HobbseeHidan: that's still in the cupsys package.  click on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103594 - the linux-source-2.6.2009:18
ubotuMalone bug 103594 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cupsd errors when booting up into Ubuntu and when running Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:18
HobbseeLynoure: right.  weird09:18
LynoureTo me the whole notice is weird, I'm supposed to be in the new kubuntu :)09:18
Hobbseehehe09:18
shirishguys anybody has any idea how I can upload a 7mb crash file to launchpad09:19
Hidanhobbsee:  All right!!! Phew...09:19
HobbseeHidan: :D09:19
HobbseeHidan: it's not very clear, i'm afraid.  but you can change most, if nto all, of your bug report09:19
HidanHobbsee: yeah, I was like "uh oh then it may cause the developers more trouble and the problem might not be fixed/missed."09:20
Hobbseenah09:20
Hobbseeyou can fix it :)09:20
HidanHobbsee: yeah, I just discovered it just now... how to edit it lol09:20
shirishI have tried going through apport, it looks like it is going for a while then quits09:20
shirishthen using firefox is also cumbersome, as there is no idea how much time is it going to take to get it uploaded09:20
Hobbseeshirish: the same way you file bugs and upload anything else?09:21
AmaranthLynoure, Hobbsee: adept and update-notifier will offer a 'distribution upgrade' when a dist-upgrade is required to get up-to-date09:21
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LynoureAmaranth: see above, 0 to be upgraded09:21
Amaranthin that case I blame KDE ;)09:21
Hidanhobbsee: hmmm... i tried changing from linux-source 2.6.20 to feisty... however, it can't find it?09:22
LynoureAmaranth: so it more action is needed to get it done, detailed instructions would be great.09:22
Hidan*it can't find feisty bugs ?09:22
AmaranthLynoure: it's a bug09:22
Amaranthif you have nothing to upgrade it shouldn't offer to upgrade09:22
budluvaanyone here aware of a lightweight iso burner?09:22
HobbseeHidan: no.  needs to be the package that's the problem, ie, cupsys09:22
shirishHobbsee: usually I use rapidshare to upload stuff when I want to and it has a progress bar which tells you how much has been uploaded09:22
budluvaor a lightweight frontend to growisofs?09:22
HobbseeHidan: feisty is not a package - it's a release09:22
Hobbseeshirish: ahh09:22
LynoureAmaranth: even if it offers to upgrade, and can upgrade, it should have a next...09:22
Amaranthbudluva: you want to make DVDs?09:23
budluvai usually use k3b but dont want to download all those pesky kde libs09:23
shirish!info Malone09:23
Amaranthbudluva: otherwise nautilus is a nice frontend to growisofs09:23
budluvaAmaranth: yeah, i have a dvd .iso, just need to burn it09:23
LynoureAmaranth: What should I report it against, if not Adept?09:23
ubotuPackage malone does not exist in feisty09:23
Amaranthbudluva: on, just right click on it09:23
shirish!Malone09:23
ubotulaunchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/09:23
Hidanhobbsee: oh darn it... then, how do i move it from Package to release? LOL09:23
AmaranthLynoure: adept is right09:23
HobbseeHidan: you dont.  that's nto the way launchpad works.  it goes by source packages, nto releases.09:23
Amaranth!adept-notifier09:23
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adept-notifier - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:23
Amaranth!adept-notifier feisty09:23
Amaranth!info adept-notifier feisty09:24
ubotuadept-notifier: system tray notifier of available system updates. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu21 (feisty), package size 266 kB, installed size 768 kB09:24
Amaranthdang Seveas broke that :)09:24
AmaranthLynoure: unless adept-notifier has it's own source package09:24
budluvaAmaranth: hahaha, DOH!09:24
budluvaAmaranth: thanks09:24
Hidanhobbsee: wait, then i'm getting confused...  see, there's this section on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs09:24
Amaranthbudluva: GNOME is great like that :D09:24
HobbseeHidan: yeah.  it's not used.09:24
Hidanhobbsee: so, i... just leave it as it is, under linux-source 2.6.20 ?09:25
Amaranthsometimes it is but rarely09:25
Amaranthbecause we don't fix bugs for old releases so they'd get lost in there09:25
HobbseeHidan: no, change the l-s-2.6.20 to cupsys09:25
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budluvaAmaranth: how can i tail that, will that show me write speed's or errors?09:25
Hidanhobbsee: well, i changed the later one to cupsys already. I'm actually talking about the "resume from disk failed" bug report. =P09:26
shirishHobbsee: which package should I file a bug under if I want to see some functionality added to launchpad?09:26
HobbseeHidan: that feisty link is only used in special circumstances which you dont need to worry about09:26
Hobbseeshirish: which section of launchpad?09:26
HobbseeHidan: right.  what would that be under?09:26
budluvacan i tail a PID i find in ps aux?09:26
shirishHobsee: the sending of attachment thing09:26
budluvai see /usr/bin/nautilus-cd-burner and growisofs, can i just tail the pid for growisofs?09:27
Hobbseeshirish: probably under launchpad then.  launchpad.net/products/launchpad09:27
Hidanhobbsee: lol... also under linux-source 2.6.2009:27
Hidanhobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/10340509:27
ubotuMalone bug 103405 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Checking swsusp image: resume from disk failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:27
Amaranthbudluva: it'll show you errors09:27
budluvano write speed though eh09:27
Amaranthbudluva: and time remaining, don't think it shows speed09:27
Amaranthspeed isn't important09:27
Hidanhobbsee: do i mark it as a bug under "Distribution" ?09:27
budluvaless than 9 mins, i can wait :P09:27
Amaranthtime until it's done is09:27
AmaranthHidan: you don't, unless you want it to be lost and never get fixed09:28
budluvaAmaranth: you familiar with tovid?09:28
Amaranthbudluva: nope09:28
budluvabah09:28
Hidanamaranth: right, so it stays the way it is? Okay lol.09:28
LynoureGah, new launchpad scaled up my hackergotchi :(09:28
budluvai was in the middle of making a dvd and ran out of space, but it encoded all the video files, it was just authoring menu and stuff, wondering how i can re-author without re-encodign09:29
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Amaranthi use devede09:29
Amaranthit doesn't do menus though09:30
budluvanext question, anyone aware of any tools that will show me my disk transfer speeds?09:30
poningruhdparm09:30
budluvai want to see disk performance while xfer'ing files from my 200gig hda to my 500gig hdb09:30
arejayIS there anyone to set the max speed at which apt-get downloads files?09:30
poningruspecifically hdparm -t or hdparm -T09:30
poningruread the man pages09:30
HobbseeHidan: no, you dont need to09:30
budluvathanks poningru09:30
Hidanhobbsee: okay oh lol... i just remembered that only feisty uses linux source 2.6.20 so the devs will know, anyway. =p09:31
Hidani only hope i gave them enough information.09:31
arejayapt-get and update-manager always stall with my ipw2200 + wpa2 and i have to ctl+c and keep doing this over and over to download packages09:32
arejayany ideas?09:32
CarinArrother downloads don't stall?09:33
arejaynot in firefox etc, no.09:33
arejay[33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN 00000000003c received PN 00000000003909:34
arejay[33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN 00000000003d received PN 00000000003a09:34
arejayshows up in dmesg09:34
arejay:/09:34
arejaydid some googleing and well.. not much to say09:34
Lynourearejay: metoo.09:35
zdzichuBGI have lot of them too09:35
arejayLynoure, does apt-get stall for you?09:35
Lynourearejay: or almost, on WPA1, tkip replay.09:35
Lynourearejay: no.09:35
zdzichuBGspeed maxes out at about 110KB/s, and NFS is unusable09:35
zdzichuBGI have ipw3945 + wrt54gl09:35
Lynourearejay: but if you have a lot of outages from that, of course it will stall for you.09:36
CarinArryou'd think his other downloads would stall similarly though09:36
arejayarejay, i don't have any problems surfing or downloading with bittorrent only apt-get and wget ..09:36
arejayI wanna see if apt-get allows you to specify a max-speed for downloads so i can cap it and see if that works.09:36
HobbseeHidan: if not, they'll reply back09:37
arejaymm, didn't mean to answer my self09:37
CarinArrarejay: bittorrents normally have quite a high tolerance for loss of communication though as it can just try connecting to another peer09:37
CarinArrand browsing is relatively light09:37
shirishHobbsee: I hope u hang around, I am filing a bug which I would like u to take a look at09:38
arejayCarinArr, ah, syn/ack!09:38
Hidanhobbsee: yeah, I hope so. :)09:38
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HobbseeHidan: may be too late to fix for feisty, though09:38
shirishHobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/10361109:39
ubotuMalone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:39
Hobbseeshirish: looks fine to me09:40
Hidanhobbsee: Uh oh. But there're like a few hundred more bugs in launchpad. Doesn't that mean plenty of users'll be facing problems when feisty is released?09:40
HobbseeHidan: try a few *thousand*09:40
Hobbseeand no software is free of bugs09:40
arejayhehe09:41
Hidanhobbsee: yeah. it's true no software is free of bugs. however, some of these look very critical.09:41
arejayah, looks like apt-get uses curl to download09:41
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Hobbseeif you want to get involved into bug triaging, or fixing, you're welcome - the bugsquad always needs help09:43
shirishHobbsee: can u also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgsel/+bug/99303 he needs info. but I do not understand his last part of thing09:43
ubotuMalone bug 99303 in pkgsel "goes from 24% to 80% & then fails at select & install software" [Undecided,Needs info] 09:43
shirishquote but it seems unlikely that largefile could be involved unless you're running close to the edge of disk space requirements09:44
Hidanhobbsee: uhhh bug fixing?! no thank you. I don't know any programming. What's triaging, though?09:44
Hobbseeshirish: means he doesnt know what the problem is, but doesnt think it's largefile.09:45
HobbseeHidan: see the links at:09:45
Hobbsee[17:45]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY | HAPPY HUG DAY".09:45
shirishok anyway would be doing a complete re-install on RC day or the day after that, and see what happens09:46
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Hobbseeshirish: if you cant reproduce it, just close it09:46
Hidanhobbsee: okay, dokie.... however, i've only reported 2 bugs so far.  Also, must it be necessary to clone all bugs? After all, some of them are a "one-time" affair but have occurred for others.09:47
shirishHobbsee: I can reproduce it, I have reproduced it atleast 10 times with the beta alternate CD, the thing is there is nothing in /var/log/syslog it is 0 bytes when I save it09:48
Hobbseeshirish: then say that on the bug report, and ask if there are other logs that will give useful info09:49
HobbseeHidan: well, if someone else can confirm it, then fine.  otherwise it just sits in the list of unconfirmed bugs09:49
HidanHobbsee: ooh, I see... however, if a bug keeps occurring, does this mean it's already been reproduced?09:50
HobbseeHidan: not necessarily09:50
CarinArrLynoure: don't know if you noticed it but i filed a bug for adept-updater: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/103607 if you want to confirm it09:50
ubotuMalone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 09:50
shirishHidan: it simply means how it happens for you. reproducing means it should be reproducible at the developers end also or many people09:51
shirishHidan: right now, for e.g. the hwdb-client is not working for many people hence it is a confirmed bug, sort of09:51
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Hidanshirish: oh yeah... well, it's kinda sad 'cos there're plenty of users with cupsys problems in the Feisty forums. yet no one's coming to report them!!!09:52
Hidan*cupsd09:52
Hidanand same for so many other bugs09:53
shirishHidan: try going to System > Preferences > Hardware information & see the ubuntu database at the end, do the questionaire & see if your data gets uploaded09:53
SuurorcaI suppose it's a bit difficult to get regular users do bug reports09:53
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Hidanshirish: oh you mean the "device database" test? I already did it.09:54
shirishSuurorca: on the contrary it is easy, we just need good tools which are able to do it. Right now neither apport is stable or feature complete nor hwdb-client which would give bug triagers/developers easy way to do it.09:54
shirishHidan: was it successful for you?09:54
Hidanshirish: yeah, but I did it again. Only this time round, I included my email address.09:55
Suurorcashirish, not neccesarily... a lot of users just shrug them of as an anoyance ;/09:55
shirishDoes anybody know the 3 finger salute like CTRL+ALT+DELETE for Ubuntu09:56
shirishHidan: that was successful then?09:56
Hobbseecupsys is a black art...09:56
Hobbseeit's got far too many bugs.09:57
Hidanshirish: Yeah, it's successful. bah i gotta restart into WinXP. since someone wants me to print something... ugh, WinXP... with even more troubles than ubuntu.09:57
poningruis it wrong that ubuntu+1 is getting more traffic than #ubuntu?09:57
poningru;)09:57
Hobbseeponingru: nope :P09:57
HidanHobbsee: yup, can see from all the complaints in the forums.09:57
shirishSuurorca: not me as I understand more I give info. more better drivers as well as pressure on manufacturers to open their hardware/software09:57
Hobbseeponingru: but ubuntu does seem to be quieter than usual...'09:57
poningruyeah...09:57
poningrusomething's a foot09:57
HobbseeHidan: i dont read the forums.  they're not a terribly effective use of time09:57
Suurorcashirish, you count yourself as a regular user? :o09:58
shirishwell sort of, I play music, do little bit of IMing,  do little bit of torrenting, file a few bugs here & there thats about it09:58
HidanHobbsee : oh really? :P  Yeah, irc and msn/icq/etc. is still a lot better. You get to troubleshoot within a few mins instead of waiting for hours. :p09:58
shirishplay means hearing music although do djembe once in a while also09:59
HobbseeHidan: heh.  yeah, well.  irc is a big distraction too, but i find that the forums have no way of saying "this is fixed" and people dont search first09:59
SuurorcaI sure see you talk a lot about different bugs... definitely shows interest in the OS =p09:59
Hobbseeso most of the info, from a developer perspective, is hard to get at09:59
Hobbsee+ they tend to run unofficial repos, which taints the system09:59
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Hobbseeie, we cant fix what we dont have access too.  simple fact, but still some people dont get it.09:59
Hidanhobbsee: or even if you search, you can't always find the information 'cos there're like many different phrases for the same problem.09:59
Suurorcamaybe it's just healthy community activity, but I'd still see it as a pretty rare ;/09:59
HobbseeHidan: true10:00
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Hidanhobbsee: bah it's time for me to get into WinXP. I'll miss Ubuntu, even if it's just for a few minutes. :p10:02
HobbseeHidan: awww10:03
Hobbseeah, there we go.  pbuilder updating10:03
Hidanhobbsee: yep, need to print something. I wish there was something else than cupsys but oh well.10:03
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shirishHidan: I also have issues with cupsys for e.g. this is on the distros, never really have been able to use the http://localhost:631 really10:05
arejay i have cups + samba issues as well10:05
arejayE [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  No ticket cache found for userid=100010:06
arejayE [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  Can not get the ticket cache for rj10:06
arejayno print :(10:06
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shirishI have been banging my head with this on dapper, on feisty I have not tried this, on dapper even though with the user added to lpadmin any change requires a username & password & given the username & password brings it back again.10:06
HidanHidan: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.10:06
Hidanoops10:06
HidanHobbsee: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.10:07
shirishthen there is no gutenprint driver for my printer, I saw an .rpm driver from avasys which supposedly works10:07
Hobbseeheh10:07
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arejaylol10:07
Hidandying? yeowch!10:07
shirishHidan: if you have cupsys installed just go to the browser, in destination type http://localhost:63110:08
Hidananyways i really need to boot into WinXP now. be back in a bit. =)10:08
Hidanooh kay i see, thanks for the tip, shirish.10:08
shirishHidan: welcome, that is just the tip of the iceberg though10:09
Hidanshirish: still, i've disabled Printer services for now, though...10:09
HidanShirish: otherwise, i'd be adding into the amount of troubles i'll get in Feisty.10:09
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shirishHidan: completely understandable10:09
Hidanokay dokie... time for me to run, folks!10:09
HidanTake care and thank you for the help . :)10:10
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shirishnot many women into derivative from xp10:11
shirishguys gotta run, sweet smelling lunch calls, bbl10:12
Hobbseento many women into tech at all.  but we exist10:12
hyljehence no girls on the internet10:12
shirishyup, that is truly sad10:12
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ubotuMalone bug 103476 in basket "[can-not-install]  file overwrite error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10347610:13
LynoureCarinArr: there was another bug already on it...10:15
LynoureCarinArr: maybe you can help me with one of my bugs, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/9308110:16
ubotuMalone bug 93081 in kdebase "konqueror does not accept SSL certificates "forever"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 10:16
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arejayshe runs fbsd tho :/10:17
arejaythey *do* exist :)10:17
Hobbseeheh10:17
Lynourea lot of wowing to be had for a person that wows at every she on irc.10:18
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Lynoureargh, I'm having trouble getting landscape oriented pdfs to print right...10:19
arejaythat bug looks like a upstream issue in konqueror10:20
Hobbseeindeed.  please file it upstream.10:20
LynoureHobbsee: I have no idea where upstream bugreporting is. Unlike Debian, Ubuntu bug tracking does not relay to upstream?10:21
hyljekde.org10:21
yuriycourse we do10:21
yuriyhiya Hobbsee10:21
yuriyso who wants to save me some time and give me a PS310:21
yuriyi won't play any games on it, i swear10:22
Hobbseehey yuriy!10:22
HobbseeLynoure: bugs.kde.org10:22
Lynoureso that is two "no we don't" and one "yes we do" =)10:22
yuriyLynoure: oh, not automatically if that's what you meant :-\10:23
Lynoureyuriy: no, did not mean automatically, more like for confirmed upstream bugs...10:24
yuriyLynoure: have to do it yourself/ourselves10:24
arejaydamn it, i missed seinfeld10:24
Lynoureyuriy: I hate the thought of having to register to n+1 upstream bug tracking sites, and having to guess whether something is upstream bug or not, not having that many computers to play with myself10:25
CarinArrLynoure: i can't even get konqueror to browse anything online so i can't confirm that one i'm afraid;)10:32
CarinArr[09:17]  < arejay> they *do* exist :)10:33
CarinArrcute;)10:33
CarinArrhaving said that.. tech guys in our office refused to give me the root password for my own machine for months, where all the blokes were given theirs without questions10:34
HobbseeCarinArr: that's mean.  hope you gave them hell for it.10:36
arejayCarinArr, you should of hacked it using a live-cd :)10:37
CarinArrheh10:37
yuriycan you actually do that with linux?10:38
arejaymount it r/w and replace passwd?10:38
CarinArrwell after them faffing about and failing to install the drivers for my quadrofx card on suse, they grouchily let me install ubuntu though they were adamant i wouldn't be able to ask them for support ever10:38
LynoureWell, it would if mighty nice if someone could confirm the bug reported to upstream, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14389810:38
ubotuKDE bug 143898 in general "SSL certificates are not kept "forever", just for an hour" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 10:38
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arejayLynoure, give me a site with a invalid SSL cert10:39
CarinArrneed i add that it took me 5 minutes to install the nvidia drivers properly on ubuntu;)10:39
yuriyLynoure: don't forget to "also affects upstream" in the LP bug10:39
yuriyCarinArr: a whole 5 minutes!?10:40
Lynoureyuriy: I was told to report it directly to upstream just now, what's the point of doing anything to the LP bug anymore?10:40
yuriy:P10:40
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Lynourearejay: try https://lynoure.org10:40
yuriyLynoure: well, there's no point in closing it.. and the option is there to track the upstream bug10:40
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yuriyand there's always the chance it's actually not an upstream bug10:41
Lynoureh.10:42
arejayLynoure, did you see the bug on google talking about kwallet crashing causing ssl certs to not be remembered?10:42
Lynourearejay: no, I do not track google bugs... Don't even know where they are.10:43
Lynourearejay: I haven't seen my kwallet crash so far...10:43
arejayLynoure, i mean't searching on google10:43
arejayLynoure, me neither, so you're saying that konq refuses to remember it past 1 hr ?10:44
Lynourearejay: yes, it remembers it fine for the hour.10:44
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=== arejay will report back in 1hr if it remembered it or not
arejaywhen i close out konq and re-open it and visit the same site, i'am prompted for my kwallet password and then everything goes as normal10:45
arejayI'am also useing gnome tho, not the full kde environment10:45
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Robokopi can't boot anymore after update of yesterday10:49
Robokopit can't find my partitions in /dev anymore10:50
yuriyRobokop: what kernel?10:50
Robokop2.6.20-1310:51
yuriyhave tha problem too on my desktop :-\10:52
arejaygee. my laptop is running @ 175F10:52
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yuriynote to self: tab != z10:53
Robokopis there a way to make my system bootable again without having to reinstal?10:54
yuriyRobokop: have you tried booting an older kernel?10:54
Robokopgave the same error10:54
arejayeek! i hope you did'nt lose your fs :(10:55
arejayRobokop, have you tried booting from a live-cd and re-installing grub10:55
Robokopdidn't lose my fs because i can mount it under windows with the ext2ifs driver10:56
arejayRobokop, boot live-cd, sudo to root, run grub, type find /boot/grub/stage210:57
arejaythen type setup (whatever grub spits out after running the find command)10:57
arejayand then type root (hd0) or what not10:57
arejay(might wanna do a little more research on re-installing grub from live-cd)10:57
Robokopgrub still can find everything so hd(0,5) is good, but /dev/hdc6 isn't found10:58
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HerrWeltschafthi11:02
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HerrWeltschaftwhat does "grub error 16" mean?11:04
rambo3look it up11:04
gnomefreak!grub | HerrWeltschaft11:04
ubotuHerrWeltschaft: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto11:04
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gnomefreakHerrWeltschaft: one of the above links has that info or faster to use google for grub error 1611:04
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rambo3i looked it up you have syntax error in menu.lst11:05
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HerrWeltschaftrambo3, me?11:05
Matte30hello11:05
rambo3yeah11:05
HerrWeltschaftgnomefreak, i googled, but i didnt find anything. but i will try your links11:06
Matte30i'm trying to install Feisty on my laptop, but X goes on a blank screen11:06
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Matte30it's the first time i try ubuntu (i've been a gentoo user)11:07
Matte30is there any way to install it in text mode?11:07
gnomefreakMatte30: grab the alternate cd11:07
HerrWeltschaftrambo3 the problem is: i tried booting with ubuntu-cd, but i cant mount the partition to check the menu.lst. i get this error: wrong fs type, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error11:07
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, do you ge grub menu ? press esc of not11:08
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, ok .check sudo  fdisk -l11:08
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, what?? if i get the grub menu at startup?11:09
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rambo3before mounting11:09
foxinessdid spell_check remove_it from ubuntu ? intellegint one "sorry if there a miss spell and you know why :)"11:09
Matte30ok i'll try that one11:09
Matte30thank you vm11:09
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, yes do you get grub menu11:10
foxinessspell!11:10
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, no - when it should appear, he just sais: "error 16"11:10
foxinessspelling!11:10
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, ok biit live CD11:10
rambo3boot11:10
HerrWeltschafti did....wait a second - i try it with "sudo fdisk -l"11:11
HerrWeltschaftim back in minute.....11:11
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HerrWeltschaftok, i did - and it seems to be all right my hardware. but i still cant mount it11:14
HerrWeltschaftfoxiness, u mean me with "spelling"?11:14
Robokopmy /dev seems to be broken11:14
Robokopgrub works but can't find /dev/hdc611:15
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, recover partition11:15
HerrWeltschaftrambo3 ? how?11:15
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, fsck.ext3 /dev/XXX11:16
rambo3if you lost superblock find it with:  mke2fs -n11:16
rambo3one of those should do11:16
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, ok ty - i go try it. one minute pls...11:17
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rambo3mke2fs -n /deb/XXX that is11:18
Robokopis there a way to fix my /dev?11:19
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rambo3MKDEV11:19
rambo3Robokop, whats the problem11:19
Robokopwell my system won't boot anymore11:20
rambo3man MAKEDEV11:20
Robokopgrub works fine11:20
rambo3whats the error ?11:20
RobokopVFS error /dev/hdc6 not found11:20
rambo3was it remaped ?11:21
Robokopno because it is still (hd0,5) in grub11:22
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rambo3Robokop, try chainging UUID line with root=/dev/hda611:23
Robokoprambo3: already done that11:23
rambo30,5 should be hda11:23
rambo3not hdc11:23
Robokoprambo3: has always been hdc i can try to check for hda11:24
Robokopwill return here after reboot11:24
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HidanHobbsee: back but man... there's absolutely one thing i'll miss from WinXP: stability. No crashes and problems running programs. :/ Looks like Ubuntu has a lot to catch up if it wants to stop behaving like Win98 (for many at least).11:25
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rambo3!beta11:27
ubotuDownload Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.11:27
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Robokoprambo3: didn't work11:29
Robokopsame vfs error11:30
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, it worked - i had many messages with "broken inodes" or something...and i fixed it. now i can mount it and i now try to fix grub11:32
rambo3partition is ok then when it can read grub , use live cd to find parition and vhange menu.lst11:32
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, ok ,11:33
XamDMHerrWeltschaft, if grub still fails try supergrubdisk11:33
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, it seems, grub totally crashed, because now he doesnt even rech grub. he reboots all the time, before he rech grub. i will try supergrub disk now11:34
rambo3that message was to Robokop .11:35
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rambo3HerrWeltschaft, just install grub and do update-grub11:35
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HerrWeltschaftwith live-cd?11:36
rambo3yeah11:36
HerrWeltschaftand then with synaptic?11:36
rambo3no  you maby dont have to update-grub , its command to update menu.lst11:37
HerrWeltschaft?11:38
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ZaggynlCan I install Feisty, and keep my /home directory as it is?11:39
ZaggynlI'm running dapper now11:39
Hobbseeyes11:39
Hobbseeif you tell it not ot format /home11:39
Zaggynlhmm okay11:39
rambo3Zaggynl, is it on separate partition ?11:40
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Zaggynlnot sure11:40
HerrWeltschaftrambo3, how can i install and update grub with live-cd? im on desktop with ubuntu live-cd now11:40
rambo3then it isnt11:40
Zaggynlnope, it isn;t11:40
rambo3HerrWeltschaft, try grub-install /dev/hda first11:40
gnomefreakHerrWeltschaft: if you read the links ubotu gave you earlier the full instructions are theree11:41
rambo3if it doesnt work then you ll have to mount it and chroot into it11:41
Hidanhobbsee: hello agian. ^___^11:41
|thunderdont use feisty on production systems ? whats that all about?11:41
HerrWeltschaftok, i read the links11:41
rambo3Zaggynl, create new parition and move /home to it cp -a11:41
Hidan|thunder: probably means don't use on systems you're going to use for day-to-day work.11:41
Zaggynlrambo3, I'm kinda low on diskspace11:42
HobbseeHidan: hi11:42
Hidan|thunder: because Feisty's likely to crash or even create problems for your Windows partitions.11:42
gnomefreak|thunder: its still unstable and use it on a pc that has no important info on it or if you need pc to boot everyday dont use it11:42
Zaggynlhum11:42
Zaggynlin that case, I'll sit 'n wait until feisty is stable <:11:42
Hidanyeah well i'm using Feisty anyways.11:42
|thunderHidan; What ?   are we talking about that one thats supposed to hit april 19 ?11:43
gnomefreak|thunder: thats feisty11:43
HidanHidan: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".11:43
Hidan|thunder: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".11:43
Hidanbah why do i keep talking to myself.11:44
|thunderthere's always bugs in distros. thas why theres trac11:44
gnomefreak|thunder: we cant stop from doing what you want but you were warned11:44
Hidanyeah well, i hope that most of the problems will be smoothed out soon... =/11:44
arejaymy feisty systems *mostly* works :)11:45
|thunderbut to reccomend its just a toy and not for day to day use is like saying you dont trust linux with your data. if thats the case, then I should just stay with edgy, or go back to dapper even.11:45
Hidanarejay: same here except that today, there were 2 system freezes. I still have not figured out the cause.11:45
Hidanarejay: i'm going to try and uninstall CUPS and HP printing from my system.11:46
|thunderHidan; are you sure it was a complete system freeze? As in frozen kernel? Do you know about magic kernel keys ?11:46
Hidanmagic kernel keys? huh? well, what happened was that mouse and keyboard stopped responding. I hit caps lock key... no response either.11:47
|thunderthat dont meant shit on linux11:47
|thunder99% of the time the kernel is fine, just X crashing11:47
|thundereven if ctrl-alt-bkspasce does nothing11:47
|thunderjust remember 'every uncle is boy'11:48
Hidanhuh?11:48
Hidanuncle is a boy?11:48
|thunderyep11:48
|thunderEUIB11:48
Hidanwhat does that mean?11:48
|thunderno11:48
|thunderEvery Uncle Is Boy'11:48
|thunderEUIB11:48
Hidan... ...11:48
arejaylol11:48
|thunderthats the proper order to do the magic keys in11:48
|thunderto safely reboot11:49
Hidan?????? oh11:49
Hidanpress in that combo, huh?11:49
|thunderthat order11:49
Hidanbut what if linux isn't reading from the keyboard?11:49
|thunderdosnt mean the kernel isnt11:49
|thunderit just ignores most keys combos11:50
|thunderyou see the print button, how udnerneath it is SysReq ?11:50
Hidanyeah i do...11:50
Hidanoh okay. however, i've indeed confirmed that previously, one of my crashes = kernel crash11:50
Hidanoops11:50
|thunderits not there for looks11:50
Hidanthat's an old message, ignore it.11:50
|thunderalt-SysReq-E11:50
|thunderthen be sure to release ALL KEYS11:51
|thunderthen11:51
|thunderalt-SysReq-U11:51
|thunderalt-SysReq-I11:51
|thunderalt-SysReq-B11:51
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|thunderthat stops X, sysncs the ram buffers to disc, something else, and finally reboots11:51
|thunderthats a safe reboot when locked up11:51
|thunderbut, you should first try alt-SysReq-E then ctrl-alt-F6 to try for a tty to restart X11:52
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|thunderi think he tried it11:53
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Lucifielholy moly11:53
Lucifieli tried pressing alt + sysreq + e11:53
Lucifieland my entire system ... just11:53
|thunderthat was smart11:54
Lucifielgee then i tried hitting EUIB in that order... also no luck.11:54
Lucifielsmart?11:54
|thunderkills X with a vengence11:54
Lucifiel,,, ...11:54
Lucifielyou you... you11:54
Hidannooo why didn't anyone tell me that? T__T11:54
Hidanoh well now i know. =(11:54
|thunderi did11:54
|thunder<|thunder> alt-SysReq-E11:54
|thunder<|thunder> then be sure to release ALL KEYS11:54
|thunder<|thunder> then11:54
|thunder<|thunder> alt-SysReq-U11:54
|thunder<|thunder> alt-SysReq-I11:54
|thunder<|thunder> alt-SysReq-B11:55
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|thunder<|thunder> that stops X, sysncs the ram buffers to disc, something else, and finally reboots11:55
Hidanoh 'cos i pressed that11:55
|thunder<|thunder> thats a safe reboot when locked up11:55
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Hidanbefore i saw the rest.11:55
|thunder<|thunder> but, you should first try alt-SysReq-E then ctrl-alt-F6 to try for a tty to restart X11:55
Suurorcahmmh, anyone got an idea as to why my hdparm.conf seems to be ignored? ;/11:55
finalbeta!paste | |thunder11:55
Hidanas in: i never saw the rest of the messages lol11:55
Hidanthat was a really deserved lesson; never try out random key combos for fun. :p11:55
ubotu|thunder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:56
Hidanooh so that's how you unlock the system.11:56
Hidanthank you, dude.11:56
|thunderyup11:56
|thunderhady11:56
|thunder*handy even11:56
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Hidanbah it's so damn hot11:57
Hidanit's almost 6 pm and i'm burning11:57
|thunderis snowing here11:57
Hidani think i'll go down for some ice-cream. =P11:57
|thunderits 6AM here, ha11:57
Hidani just can't take the heat anymore.11:57
Hidanoh where're you from?11:57
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|thunderUSA11:57
Hidanaha... winsconin?11:58
|thunderwhere you from. russia ?11:58
|thunderlol11:58
Hidansingapore. =)11:58
|thunderno, michigan, next door11:58
|thunderawesome. tony jaa11:58
|thunderthats the man11:58
shirishHidan: |thunder are u on feisty?11:58
|thundernay11:58
|thunderedgy11:58
Hidantony jaa? i thought that guy's from Thailand?11:59
Hidanfeisty here.11:59
Hidandapper was a nightmare for me...11:59
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|thunderohh ya, good call. i was 100% wrong. singapore. still got lots of cheap hookers?12:00
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gerry_hello12:00
gerry_how to get beryl work on feisty?12:00
Lynourearejay: Any results yet?12:00
Hidan|thunder: i wouldn't know. :P  I suspect so but , man, I'm not a lesbian. nor am I bisexual. =D12:00
arejaylet me check12:00
gerry_i always get "no composite extension" messges12:00
shirishHidan: can u test the command pidof <program> insert any program name here12:01
Hidanshirish: okay . hang on.12:01
gerry_i followed the wiki guide step by step, but for edgy not for feisty12:02
shirishHidan: a small thing, it should be a running program12:02
|thunderHidan; you are implying that you are a woman, or that all whore in singapore are either men or trannys?12:02
gerry_any help?12:02
Hidan|thunder: I'm female. =P12:02
|thunderrodger that12:02
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Hidanshirish: pidof konversation = 543512:03
shirishok it works for you, it does not work for me :/12:03
gerry_**************************************************************12:03
gerry_* Beryl system compatiblity check                            *12:03
gerry_**************************************************************12:03
gerry_Detected xserver                                : AIGLX12:03
gerry_Checking Display :0.0 ...12:03
gerry_Checking for XComposite extension               : failed12:03
Hidanshirish: aww man that's not good.12:03
gerry_No composite extension12:03
Hidan... ...12:04
gerry_not too long, i think12:04
Hidanwell, that does sound like a nightmare12:04
gerry_hmm12:05
Hidanshirish: somehow, that pidof < program> doesn't work for swiftfox. i wonder why.12:05
gerry_any one familiar with beryl setup?12:07
Lynourearejay: I'll have to go soon, but I'll notice anything addressed to me anyway, especially msged stuff :)12:08
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HidanX sorta froze again and then when it booted up again into Ubuntu, it just froze at the loading screen. #@$#@12:12
Hidanand i shouldn't have pressed alt + crtl + delete... that caused the keyboard's lights to start flashing...12:13
Hidanoh man12:14
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shirishHidan: what is the alt+ctl+delete for?12:15
Hidanshirish: well, it sorta cold reboots the system.12:15
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miilunpolttajahello. I have a problem12:15
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Hidani can't exactly remember when you use it though 'cos for me, i do it all on instinct.12:15
shirishHidan: is there something similar to a task manager in Ubuntu?12:16
Hidanhuh i think i'm going to go back into WinXP for now.12:16
miilwhen I click the logout-door on my panel, it takes a few minutes until the window opens12:16
miiland until it opens, the panels don't work12:16
HidanShirish: System ---> Administration -----> System monitor.12:16
miilwhat is this problem related? I don't know what to look for in the forums12:17
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Hidanmiil : sorry can't help you there.12:18
gopError 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"12:19
gophow do I fix it12:19
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miilok thanks anyways12:20
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minimecgop: Looks that there is an error in your menu.list in /biit/grub. May the 'Super'Grub' Software (which is a boot CD to fix grub problems) may help.12:25
alex__can anyone help me with my sound card and wifi card? I'm usuing ubuntu feisty running on LG laptop12:25
poningru!sound | alex__12:26
ubotualex__: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP312:26
poningruapart from that I cant help with sound12:26
poningruwhat's wrong with your wifi though12:26
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alex__let's start with the sound isue. ok?12:26
poningruo..k12:27
alex__first of all I posted a bug report and I'm not realy sure on wich site. I used to get mails but have stoped recivng them, I checked my mail box but there is no mail regarding it12:28
poningruhmm that generally means there is no activity on the bug12:28
parihello everybody, any good news regarding nvidia-glx-legacy yet? Or I'll have to wait until official release and hope it'll be fixed12:28
poningruyou only get mail on a bug if someone is actively working on it12:29
alex__alsa is selceted and I used to have sound untill I downloaded songbird and played it after a major update12:29
poningruerr if there is any changes on it rather12:29
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alex__I recived an error "Could not establish connection to sound server"12:29
alex__and now, whenever I try to play a soundfile I get this error12:29
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Lucifielback on winxp right now... hmm12:30
alex__what is the standart webserver for bug reports?12:31
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poningrualex__: launchpad.net12:31
Lucifielyou mean launchpad.net ?12:31
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poningrualex__: assuming you tried a restart of the box12:31
slytherinCan anyone tell me which CD I need for Core 2 Duo? Is it i386 or x86-64?12:31
alex__about ten times12:31
alex__was it updated latily?12:32
poningruslytherin: the former12:32
Hobbseeslytherin: the latter12:32
poningruHobart: ...12:32
Hobbseei thought...12:32
Hobbseeoh well, go with poningru12:32
pari:)12:32
Hobbseethe core 2 duo's run 64 bit mode.  or can12:33
slytherinponingru: Hobbsee: which one exactly?12:33
Lucifielslytherin: oh let me see, harry potter's huh? :P12:33
poningrubuh...12:33
poningruslytherin, Hobbsee hold on let me go see12:33
slytherinLucifiel: :-)12:33
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JDahlcan anyone here confirm that Trac (with Python2.5) doesn't work under Feisty?  I am having problems,  and this link (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracForPython2.5) says I need to manually install clearsilver 0.10.4,   but I'd like to hear if others have problems before I start to manually installing replacements12:33
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gryfindorOH BUH12:34
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Prof_snape:P12:34
gryfindorslytherin: go with what Hobbsee said12:34
gryfindorit can do x86 instructions set12:34
slytherinponingru: Ok.12:34
poningruerr x86-64*12:34
poningrurather12:34
alex__gryfindo, what can I do12:35
aileanhow do i do a dist-upgrade rather than using the CD?12:35
poningru!upgrade | ailean12:35
ubotuailean: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes12:35
aileanthanks poningru12:35
alex__https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/9702312:35
ubotuMalone bug 97023 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sound server problem with ubuntu feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] 12:35
poningrualex__: yeah like I said dude I dont have much exp with sound12:35
slytherinponingru: So x86-64 is final, right?12:35
poningruslytherin: yep12:35
alex__ok12:35
alex__about the wifi12:35
alex__there is the network thingy in the system tray12:36
poningruright12:36
alex__it recognize my soundcard and network but just doesn't connect12:36
poningruwificard*12:36
alex__I can do "sudo dhclient ra0" and then all is ok12:37
poningruoh12:37
poningruhmm12:37
alex__the wificard is ralink12:37
poningruits just not getting an ip address from your router12:37
alex__I guess so12:37
alex__and also didn't work on other networks12:37
alex__I can even set it manually from the gui12:38
Prof_snapehmmm I wonder if it's recommended to reinstall X if it has problems on feisty12:38
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slytherinHidan: Don't reinstall it. Just to dpkg-reconfigure12:38
Hidanslytherin: okay i'll copy down those commands.12:38
alex__well, I got to get away for awhile, sorry be back soon12:38
poningrualex__: that is weird I would say try reinstalling network-manager12:38
Hidanslytherin: what does dpkg mean anyways?12:39
poningruk12:39
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slytherinHidan: First tell me what the problem is12:39
poningruHidan: its a command to redetect all the X things like it did during install time12:39
shirish!info dpkg12:40
ubotudpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.13.24ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 1901 kB, installed size 6024 kB12:40
Hidanslytherin: poningru: In Feisty, everything stops responding. I've to hit alt + magic keys (every uncle is boy) to do a reboot.12:40
slytherinHidan: Stops responding when?12:40
poningrushirish: its dpkg-reconfigure12:41
shirishHidan: I usually do a ctrl+alt+backspace then it takes me to new login, without rebooting12:41
Hidanslytherin: well, it happens at random. Sometimes, when i'm chatting in Kopete or downloading emails from Thunderbird.12:41
shirishponingru: that is for configuring X, I have had very bad experience with that12:41
shirishponingru: are u trying it or who is trying it?12:41
Hidanshirish: mmm, when X stops responding, pressing ctrl +alt + backspace doesn't work.12:41
slytherinHidan: Ok the try command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (without quotes) and see if reconfiguring makes any difference.12:42
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shirishHidan: ah for X responding, sorry I thought something else, sometimes when applications stop responding then I use that12:42
Hidanslytherin: ahhh okay  i'll do that as soon as i reboot into ubuntu.12:42
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shirishHidan: what is your graphics setup? Integrated or any graphics card?12:43
Hidanshirish: no problem.12:43
Hidanshirish: power color ati 9600 pro.12:43
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shirishHidan: ok rather than doing that, perhaps you could try the -ati-modesetting driver12:44
Hidanyeah, i know about the Ati problems with ubuntu but i can't just buy another mobos+ gfx card, simply to switch an o/s.12:44
Suurorcaactually ai would rather try the magic sysrq+k (kill current console) before using the reboot spell...12:44
Hidanshirish: ooh okay.12:44
Suurorcaif someone forgot to mention that one12:44
shirishHidan: I changed my driver to i810-modesetting driver & things are way better than before. I get full resolutions12:45
Hidanshirish: what's i810 - modsetting ?12:45
shirishHidan: i810 is the name of a driver family of integrated intel chipsets12:45
icecruncherkubuntu won't recognize my usb drive, what should I do?12:46
shirishHidan: for e.g. here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213 the bug-report for intel12:46
ubotuMalone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info] 12:46
Hidanshirish: huh? integrated intel?! how does that work for an ati card?12:46
shirishHidan: similarly search for your ati-modesetting drivers in bugsquad, I am guessing Timo also has drivers for you12:47
Hidansurroca: okay, yeah... the magic key is a bit better.12:47
Hidanshirish: oh phew lol12:47
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shirishHidan: they are testing these new drivers as by May end if enough people test it there should be good drivers for everybody, things are under testing12:48
Hidanshirish: hmmmm nothing for ati-modesetting12:50
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Hidangoogle search for ati-modesetting = few results too. hmm12:50
shirishHidan: it is just the logic of what is happening & how people are doing, what you will have to do is search in launch-pad for your drivers or write to Timo for this or even just look at things on his plate12:51
shirishHidan: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/date.html these are the people who are working on releasing the source drivers12:51
Hidanhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/12:51
Hidanhmmm12:51
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Hidanlooks like i took a bad time to switch to ubuntu lol12:52
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shirishHidan: on the contrary you took the perfect time, this issue had been going on for the last 1 1.5 years, finally the solutions are in sight12:53
Hidanshirish: great. =p12:54
Hidanshirish: may, huh?12:54
capiirahi hi its very difficult to take the lastest kernel source and compile it by myself? I need to compile it with a special option to make my scanner work :/12:54
shirishHidan: something like that, nothing is officially declared, but if enough testers do the thing of testing12:54
slytherincapiira: It will be better if you log bug for porting the fix to Ubuntu kernel so that others will benefit from it.12:55
shirishcapiira: my take would be to file a bug & tell them to make some module for it or something12:55
Hidanbut it ain't so great when most of your licenses for proprietary s/w are expiring and you need linux to work. but linux at the same time, is giving you problems.12:55
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capiirathey dont really care for it becuase its cause by a new kernel feature USB_SUSPEND or so12:56
shirishHidan: till last year, intel was not giving access to open source software developers to its integrated chipset details, now there is one guy who is being paid by them to work on drivers which can work on free software12:56
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capiiraand kernel team don't want to disable it because they think a notebook suspend feature is more important than a working canon scanners12:57
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Hidanshirish: well, what caused the change of mind?12:57
NewUseri want to md5 hash code for fiestyfawn ? there is no listed on website ? so i want to Check my ISO.. with MD5SUM .. so how can i Check without md5 hash key ?12:57
shirishHidan: I have no idea, there have been quite a few stories on slashdot.org about this, but then its all gossip12:58
Hidanshirish: huh.12:58
capiirasee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/8548812:58
ubotuMalone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed] 12:58
shirishNewUser: have u checked on cdimage.ubuntu.com12:58
shirishHidan: I mean the reasons behind Intel having a guy on the rolls doing work for free software even if it is just making drivers do better12:59
shirishNewUser: it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com12:59
NewUsershirish: i have fiesty download iso.01:00
slytherinNewUser: When did you download the ISO?01:00
NewUseri want to check all files fine01:00
shirishNewUser: fine, is it the beta version or what?01:00
NewUserI just completed it today01:00
NewUseryes it is beta01:00
shirishNewUser: if you want I can hunt the beta md5sum for you & give it to you01:00
slytherinNewUser: Check this file http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/MD5SUMS01:01
NewUsershirish: really thanks for that if u can.01:01
Hidanshirish: Yeah i know what you mean. Man, now let's just all hope that they aren't scheming to do something malicious to Linux. =p Haha just j/k.01:01
Hidanshirish: anyways going to reboot into ubuntu now and try that. But seriously, i hope it gets more stable. =(01:01
shirishHidan: it will it just need people who are passionate about it , each distro. adds another useful usability layer on the top01:02
slytherinHidan: May be your problem is with enabling 'Desktop Effects'01:02
Hidanshirish: yeah, anyways I hope that the Ubuntu team will resolve the issues I've been facing.01:02
capiiraso anyone know a link to a nice site that explains how to compile a kernel and install it?01:02
Hidanslytherin: mmm desktop effects aren't enabled on Feisty for me.01:03
NewUserslytherin: well thanks for that.. i put this code in compare tab.. then compare it. then msg comes " MD5 Check Sums Are the Same. " that mean Iso image is Valid for Use?01:03
slytherinHidan: Ok. try that reconfigure command and let us know the results.01:03
billyNewUser: yes.01:04
slytherinNewUser: Yes, and if you are in doubt then you should be able to check installation media at the time of installation also.01:04
assasukassei want to installa dc++ client, where should i get it?01:04
NewUserslytherin: okie get it :) thanks alot01:04
NewUserbilly: thanks man01:04
slytherinNewUser: I mean may be the ISo is ok but something gets borked with CD01:04
Hidanslytherin: yeah sure. be back soon. !!!!01:04
NewUserslytherin: yea u r right.. first i check the media then try to install it.01:04
billyNewUser: but do what slytherin said.  Check the CD as well.01:04
NewUserbilly: sure..01:05
NewUserthnks for all.. now going to install.. will be back later.01:05
billygood luck!01:05
NewUserty01:05
shirishah good, he got it I got into something else01:05
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Lucifielbah mmm01:08
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Lucifielslytherin: trying out gksudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now. however, it won't proceed past the "users of powerpc" part.01:10
_filippo_!info pre-released01:11
ubotuPackage pre-released does not exist in feisty01:11
Lucifiel!dpkg-reconfigure01:11
shirishLucifiel: u are using an i386 with power-ati card no?01:11
Lucifielshirish: yes...01:11
Lucifiel!dpkg01:11
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.01:11
shirishLucifiel: then why did u choose powerpc?01:12
slytherinLucifiel: Try using just sudo instead of gksudo01:12
Lucifielshirish: i didn't choose powerpc. it just booted me into the part of "users of powerpc machine and users of any computer..."01:13
Lucifielslytherin: yeah, i used sudo.01:13
shirishLucifiel: that is surely strange then01:13
Lucifiel                                                                           01:14
Lucifiel  Users of PowerPC machines, and users of any computer with multiple video  01:14
Lucifiel  devices, should specify the BusID of the video card in an accepted        01:14
Lucifiel  bus-specific format.01:14
Lucifielthat's what the screen reads.01:14
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Lucifieloh well... i'm tired of working with ubuntu.01:14
nomuxhi to all01:15
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darichgah kernel updates are a pain :S01:16
alex__well, I'm back01:16
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shirishalex__: hi how are u doing?01:17
alex__fine shirish01:17
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Lucifielgreat now i gotta restart...01:17
Lucifielconfig.dat locked01:17
shirishLucifiel: did u check for new drivers for your ati card on launchpad01:18
alex__shirish? did you want something?01:19
shirishalex__: nope I am happy atm, a cola would have been fine if you are asking :)01:19
alex__can anyone help me with my wificard01:19
Lucifielshirish: do i look under bugs , answers or something else? gods, even launchpad is so hard to navigate.01:19
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alex__shirish, don't you want my cola?01:21
Stormx2Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?01:21
Stormx2Well, not "keep getting"01:21
Stormx2but whenever its to do with initramfs it is01:21
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shirishalex__: nope its good, but its always good to share right01:21
shirishLucifiel: looking for something to direct to u01:22
shirishLucifiel: look for something under xf86-video-ati-6.6.191 or below series, incidentally the 191 is the latest driver01:23
alex__right01:23
alex__well, about my wificard, can anyone help me with it?01:24
Stormx2If anyone has a mo have a look at my error please... I'm a little worried my ubuntu won't boot...01:24
Lucifielshirish: thanks but do i search under answers or something else?01:24
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elmargolHow can I umount my ipod from the console without sudo?01:29
elmargolI can do It on gnome with the mouse01:29
Lucifielshirish: it's okay... i'll probably look for xf86-video-ati-6.5.8.001:30
elmargoleject does't work on feisty anymore01:30
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cafuego_Ullo. Anyone successfully gotten 2.6.20-14 to boot?01:33
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varkaevolution shows me only empty window opening any mail01:35
Suurorcacafuego_: works perfectly fine here..01:35
varkacafuego_: here too01:36
cafuego_Rite. Mine gets as far as detecting drives, loading usb, finding ubnput devices, then locking up hard and rebooting after 30-odd seconds.01:36
cafuego_But -13 is fine.01:37
cafuego_I think the main difference is the new libata driver, so I guess I'll blame that.01:37
Suurorcaanything interesting in bootlogs?01:39
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Lucifielshirish: btw, do you have any guide or something similar to help troubleshoot feisty?01:39
cafuego_Suurorca: Nope01:40
Paddy_EIREhey guys trying to get wireless working on a DEll Inspiron 1501 anyone help01:40
cafuego_Suurorca: I did a verbose boot and it all looks normal.01:40
Paddy_EIRE!wireles01:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wireles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:40
cafuego_At the point where it's supposed to switch from the initrd to / and do some checking, it just stops.01:40
Paddy_EIRE!wireless01:40
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs01:40
Suurorcacafuego_: well, if you think it's the ata-driver, you should probably file a bugreport against kernel-source and include /var/log/boot and your specs01:42
cafuego_Suurorca: Well, without mouting / there is no /var/log/boot eh01:43
Suurorca...it's empty?01:43
cafuego_I'll file a bug though01:43
cafuego_No, contains info from the 2.6.20-13 kernel, which boots fine.01:43
Suurorcaah ok, that's always the last boot, I guess01:44
cafuego_it never gets as far as mounting any disks, so it can not write any logs01:44
Suurorcaanything in kern.log.0?01:44
cafuego_previous boot01:44
SuurorcaIsuppose so...01:44
cafuego_(which was fine too ;-)01:45
cafuego_I cna trace it via serial console and a nullmodem cable, if i cna find the cable, but it reports nothing unusual.01:45
Suurorcakernel problems are always so nice to troubleshoot01:46
cafuego_tell me about it01:46
enychrrm ... feisty universe.. Should this be disucssed in herre (#ubuntu+1) or #ubuntu-motu  ??01:48
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cypherdelichello everyone01:49
arejayhi!01:49
cypherdeliccypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ufoai./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:49
cypherdelicthat file is definitly INSTALLED01:49
cypherdelicplease help01:49
arejayldd /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.001:50
cypherdelicok did that01:50
cypherdeliccypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ldd /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.001:50
cypherdelic        libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00002ab7adef4000)01:50
cypherdelic        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002ab7ae176000)01:50
cypherdelic        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00002ab7ae392000)01:50
cypherdelic        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00002ab7ae596000)01:50
cypherdelic        /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000555555554000)01:50
cypherdeliccypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$01:51
arejayhrm. looks ok to me01:51
arejaywhat program are you trying to use?01:51
cypherdelica game UFO - Alien Invasion01:51
cypherdelicinstalled propperly by sudo01:51
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cypherdelicit is in /usr/local/games/ufoai01:51
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arejaytry running it with ./ufo +set snd_init 001:53
cypherdeliccypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ufoai +set snd_init 001:54
cypherdelic./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:54
cypherdeliccypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$01:54
Stormx2Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?01:54
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alex__can anyone help me with my wificard01:55
alex__can anyone help me with my wificard?01:55
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XamDMi hav a strange problem after updatge to feisty, my hdd is now known as sda, is there a ide to scsi modul launched ??, and if so why ??01:59
XamDMi noticed scsi_mod ...01:59
finalbetaXamDM: feisty uses Libata versus whatever old driver it used.01:59
finalbetaYou should be using uuid's anyway in fstab.01:59
XamDMso, sda is now normal vor ide ???02:00
XamDMfinalbeta, i do so, just wondering ...02:00
Lucifielbtw mmm do any of you receive updates daily while running Feisty?02:00
finalbetaXamDM: It's normal, no overhead or anything.02:00
finalbetaLucifiel: sure. It's Beta soft for a reason. it's still being worked on.02:01
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robokopopera doesn't work anymore for me02:01
Lucifielhuh? but i don't receive any updates daily at all. O_o;; I even ran Update Manager and it tells me that "your system is up-to-date"!02:02
XamDMfinalbeta, how can i n ow activate udma ???, hdparm fails because of scsi-device ...02:02
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cafuego_XamDM: If dma wasn't enabled my the driver, you should probably be looking for a new device ;-)02:02
finalbetaXamDM: no idea at all. I'm having massive problems with it myself, my laptop takes 10 minutes to boot. Search launchpad, bugs are reported.02:03
someothernicki've been getting updates daily02:03
finalbetacafuego_: It's happening for many.02:03
Lucifielhmmm... i just received 6 updates but they're all for fonts or for Cairo. but nothing else. uhmmm this is strange.02:03
finalbetacafuego_: Also using UDMA 33 versus higher supported modes.02:03
cafuego_finalbeta: what, hdparm failing? Yeah that's normal. blktool should sort that though02:03
Lucifieli think i'll switch from the Singapore server to the main server.02:04
finalbetaI mean devices running at lower modes.02:04
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cafuego_blktool it is, then.02:05
cafuego_it's the new and improved hdparm.02:05
Lucifielugh konversation crashed twice. pfftt02:05
Lucifielbtw, in "Software sources":  do you guys choose to download "source code" too?02:06
cafuego_ioc, it hasn't been ported to libata either02:06
finalbetaLucifiel: no, unless you want to look at the code, disable it and stuff will go faster.02:06
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watchmehi02:06
Lucifielfinalbeta: k phew it's disabled here. hmm02:06
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fKnhi02:07
fKni am trying ubuntu feisty. everytime i update to a new kernel the menu.lst will be updated too. the problem i, that the "root" kernel parameter will be set to a wrong UUID (for /dev/sda9) but ubuntu is installed to /dev/sda10... someone know how to fix it that. i dont want to fix it after every update by hand02:07
Lucifieluh oh as i suspected...02:07
watchmedoes anyone know, why my feisty takes my ATA133 HDD as a SCSI?02:07
Lucifielthe Singapore server didn't have all the updates.02:07
finalbetaFirefox is the biggest problem for me. But it might be because of flash9. After going to a flash site, problems get bigger. Firefox gets trashed.02:07
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finalbeta!libata02:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
Lucifielhmm no wait...02:08
watchmeI can mount any Partition with /dev/sda, but in my fstab there are /dev/hda ... WHY did it change with the last update?02:08
finalbetaSomeone put that in the bot please. Sick of explaining that stuff.02:08
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finalbeta!paste02:08
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:08
bdgrauei can't get opera running in feisty02:08
finalbetawatchme: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14181/02:09
bdgrauesegmentation fault all time02:09
watchmeargh... can you write it in qry...?? I have irssi and console only ;)02:09
Stormx2Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?02:09
finalbetaStormx2: But everything works right?02:10
finalbetaShouldn't be a problem. Normal useless spam.02:10
watchmethx02:10
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watchmefinalbeta: which uuid?02:11
finalbeta!uuid02:11
ubotuTo see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)02:11
watchmethe long ones I find under /dev/disk/by-uuid?02:11
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krabaduris it no problem to install fesity herd5 now and to update to the final at 19.april? or would you suggest to wait until 19. april?02:12
watchmek....02:12
Stormx2finalbeta: Not sure yet...02:12
watchmebut how should I write the path? with /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID  ?02:13
finalbetakrabadur: you shoul dbe aware it's still beta, weird things can still happen. But it unlikely. Some of use have been running Fiesty for months now without major booboo's.02:13
watchmeor can I just type $UUID ?02:13
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fKnfinalbeta, why my grub uses the UUID of /dev/sda9 ? it should use UUDI of /dev/sda10, because /dev/sda10 is root02:13
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finalbetawatchme: use blkid , it will list partition and uuid, then put the uuid's in fstab, there should already be uuid entries, at least for root.02:14
fKnif i change it by hand, every update will overwrite my settings02:14
XamDM how can i get the uuid of a ntfs-partition ??, uuid onli tell type="ntfs"02:14
watchmethere are no UUIDs :D02:14
finalbetafKn: And the machine doesn't boot?02:14
finalbetawatchme: this is an example of an fstab line with uuid : UUID=16f6577c-d63f-4ad6-8093-882f7a8507fe /media/hdb5 ext3 defaults 0 002:15
fKnfinalbeta, ubuntu will not boot.. on /dev/sda9 is debian unstable, so debian unstable will boot :)02:15
finalbetafKn: i've heared of a but like this before. I'll check.02:15
fKnfinalbeta, will my fstab, menu.lst and output of blkid.tab help?02:16
fKnso i would paste it to pastebin02:16
finalbetaEhm, yeah, do that.02:17
krabadurfinalbeta, i'm aware of the beta-state. but principally there is no problem to install now herd5 and to update later to the final? or is there any reason to better wait install the final directly?02:17
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XamDMblktoll gives Inappropriate ioctl for device if i try to enable dma02:17
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watchmefinalbeta: do you know a reason, why they changed ATA133 with SCSI-driver ?02:17
fKnfinalbeta, ok, one moment02:18
finalbetakrabadur: upgrading should give the same result as installing the final release. But it some cases it will give slightly other results. Hardware detection perhaps, but if the beta runs fine, there should be no problems.02:18
krabadurfinalbeta, thank you for your feedback!02:18
finalbetawatchme: The new driver has been long coming and should replace the old one completely, Most distributions changed some time ago as far as I know.02:19
watchmefinalbeta: k... thx :)02:19
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watchmefinalbeta: I have a second problem... my X (until the last update, the newest I couldn't test because of the SCSI thing) keeps telling me my gconf-schemes are misconfigured...02:20
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watchmesometimes it starts the app with this error, and sometimes it crashes my X with it (depenns on the app)02:21
finalbetafKn: I can't find it on launchpad, you should report it. I know it's fixable. But I don't know how.02:21
watchmeI reinstalled gconf, deleted .gconf, added a new user, but everytime I got the same problem02:21
finalbetaNo idea watchme :p02:22
watchme(omg my english is worse today)02:22
watchmeok... thx02:23
finalbetawatchme: you've googled the exact error?02:23
Stormx2Um02:24
Stormx2My upgrade tool just disappeared02:24
Stormx2does this normally happen?02:24
fKnfinalbeta, http://code.bulix.org/4ueex8-37926?raw02:24
finalbetaStormx2: what do you mean exactly?02:24
Stormx2Well02:24
Stormx2It had just got to the end02:24
Stormx2and was fixing a couple of dependancy problems02:24
Stormx2I alt+tabbed to another window02:25
Stormx2and its gone now02:25
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Stormx2Should I reboot?02:26
finalbetafKn: Put that all on launchpad in a bug report. I don't know what file to edit to fix it. grub gets wrong info, but donu from where.02:26
finalbetaduno* don't know* :p02:26
fKnok02:26
slytherinStormx2: what dependency problems?02:26
finalbetaStormx2: probably not, unless you are sure the upgrade completed you might end up with a broken system.02:26
fKnbtw, is posting of UUID's a safety risk?02:26
finalbetafKn: not at all.02:27
slytherinStormx2: Isn't the upgrade toll supposed to take care of dependency problems?02:27
Stormx2I accidently Ctrl +C'd during the install.02:27
Stormx2So gnome-panel-data got canceled02:27
Stormx2and it fixed it at the end02:27
finalbetafKn: it's the same as posting /dev/hda5 , has not information about your system, user pass, whatever.02:27
slytherinStormx2: Then try to do upgrade again.02:27
Stormx2Okay02:27
Stormx2Well here's the issue02:27
Stormx2I don't have access to a terminal02:27
Stormx2my panels are frozen02:28
Stormx2and Alt + F2 doesn't work.02:28
Stormx2Shall i go into tty1?02:28
fKnfinalbeta, no HDD serial number included? ok :)02:28
slytherinStormx2: Ctrl + Alt +F102:28
finalbetafKn: no, lol02:28
Stormx2slytherin: What command? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?02:28
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slytherinStormx2: yes02:28
Stormx2kk02:28
Stormx2Cya02:28
Stormx2Woo02:30
Stormx2I can swap between X and tty1!02:30
Stormx2I never knew that02:30
fKnok, similar issue: i need to force acpi (acpi=force) in kernel command line.. this setting will overwritten in menu.lst also.. any ideas?02:30
cafuego_you cna swap to tty2-tty6 too ;-)02:30
Stormx2It has another 20 minutes of packages to download... apparently.02:31
Stormx2Which confuses me a little because the upgrade tool already downloaded all the packages.02:32
slytherinfKn: What do you mean by overwritten in menu.lst?02:32
fKnslytherin, if the kernel images are updated, aptitude will also update menu.lst.. anythings that i changed by hand will lost02:34
finalbetafKn: I'm looking up how the UUID's are created, They seems to be stored in the file systems superblock at the start of the journal. They are created using dev/random or might even include a hardware address. yet, to go from a UUID to the hardware address, seems impossible to me. It's likely you can consider it a one way algorithm, Something like an md5. because of the random data being added.02:34
finalbeta(that's for etx2/302:34
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alleyoopsterhi02:36
robokopis there a way to check battery load from command line?02:36
slytherinfKn: you are write. There must be some way to provide global options separately so that they will be used irrespective of kernel version.02:36
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alleyoopsterI have lost my cd/dvd after upgrading from edgy, need some help to find it please :)02:37
slytherinalleyoopster: What do you mean by lost. Please explain a bit.02:37
alleyoopstersure - if I insert a cd or dvd audio or data i cannot see it02:38
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Poul^Laptophehe, i belived it was the physic disks you had lost :P02:39
slytherinalleyoopster: have you files a bug or support request?02:39
alleyoopsternothing yet, I have put a post on the forum, but that is all02:40
alleyoopsterPoul^Laptop>: lol02:40
mphillalleyoopster, can you mount manually?02:40
shirishanybody know what does this error mean? http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)02:41
alleyoopsterwell correct me if i am wrong but i thing the devices have changed with the newer kernel and i now will be using /dev/scd002:41
alleyoopsterthis will not mount02:42
mphillno, it should be more like sda sdb sdc, etc02:43
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finalbetashirish: the file it wants do download is not available online.02:43
slytherinshirish: Some problem with mirror. Use different mirror. Try the IITM mirror.02:43
alleyoopsterI am getting errors on boot up "revalidation failed (errno=-2)02:43
shirishslytherin: what do u mean by IITM mirror, the British main mirror?02:44
slytherinshirish: Are you not from India?02:44
finalbetashirish: it does seem to be working for me though. try again later? :p Or use the mirror like slytherin  said02:44
alleyoopstermphill: i only have sda*02:44
shirishslytherin: I am from India, do u mean IIT mumbai has a mirror?02:44
mphillalleyoopster, thats your hard drive02:44
alleyoopstermphill: yes i know, no other sd devices02:45
slytherinshirish: No. IITM is IIT Madras. :-D Let me find exact mirror line.02:45
shirishslytherin: cool, I did not know they were hosting a mirror too. this is too cool :)02:45
shirishslytherin: do not tell me you are from the localization team working there?02:46
mphillalleyoopster, I'm sorry man, i never heard of anything like that. maybe try running sudo depmod02:46
alleyoopstermphill: the device is just not present anymore02:46
slytherinshirish: No. I am not from Tamil Localization team. I don't know the mirror right now. I am on Win 2K :-) You should probably try asking on #ubuntu-in02:47
shirishslytherin: thanx will do :)02:47
alleyoopstermphill: ok. well thanks for your input, I think it must the kernel change, but it is a common dell laptop.02:48
mphillalleyoopster, did you run depmod02:48
mphilland reboot02:48
alleyoopstermphill:yes i did02:48
mphillok02:48
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alleyoopstermphill:I have sr0, and scd0 under /dev. I also have buffer I/O errors on sr0. I am confused02:49
daynahbefore I go and install flash the normal way, does feisty have a fancy-pants way of installing it?02:49
shirishdaynah: flash has issues with firefox02:50
alleyoopstermphill:ah didnt reboot, will try that02:50
penguin42daynah: Install the flashplugin-nonfree package02:50
daynahThanks, penguin42. shirish, good thing for me then that I use opera. :) If they're still the same versions (it's early, haven't checked) everything should still work fine.02:51
daynahPenguin42 and this is flash 9?02:51
penguin42daynah: I've got 9 installed - I can't honestly remember if that does 902:51
shirishdaynah: yes it is flash9 but it crashes firefox now & then02:52
daynahPenguin42, welp, I'll go find out. Thanks, boysies and girlsies!02:52
shirishdaynah: there is swfdec library which claims to solve this issue http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/02:52
shirishbut we have the old version still02:53
daynahshirish, I'm not worried about firefox, babe. I avoid the browser like the plague. But thanks for your concern! :)02:53
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shirishdaynah: no babe here, guy unfortunately02:53
alleyoopstermphill: I will file a bug for this, thanks again.02:55
daynahShirish, I call everyone a babe. Hope you weren't offended. :( A lot of people in Georgia do that. Apparently people in California have stolen this trait, but that's just weird.02:55
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enycso....  ?why does feisty kernel+udev  show my PATA ''hda''  as /dev/sda .. like it was scsi/sata ?02:56
penguin42enyc: There is some move to unify stuff02:57
penguin42enyc: Is it a promise controller by any chance?02:57
Suurorcabecause pata and sata are now under unified driver02:57
daynahIt worked. All to watch a video of a hamster eating his first broccoli. Awww.02:57
penguin42Suurorca: Only some of them02:58
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shirishency: that is the libata driver which is showing and that is normal02:58
shirish!libata02:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:59
shirish!info libata02:59
ubotuPackage libata does not exist in feisty02:59
penguin42silly bot02:59
shirishency: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks02:59
daynahNow I'm gonna see if you guys can answer another question, one the forum couldn't answer. In Feisty, my USB hubs keep turning on an off, resulting inthe lights turning on and off (quite distracting). But when I plug a usb thumb drive in, the light stays on, they work fine. Any thoughts?03:00
shirishdaynah: it seems to be in hunting mode, like Wi-FI03:00
penguin42daynah: I don't know but I wonder if it's a power saving trick03:00
penguin42daynah: I've heard of laptops that use a LOT more power if the USB is enabled so perhaps it's trying only to enable if in use03:01
daynahdo you guys know how to either make it stop hunting or suck up energy? This is my desktop, so I don't need that enabled. Or somewhere to go to find this out?03:02
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enycpenguin42: no promise... intel 845 or something.. after 440BX but similar03:02
penguin42enyc: Ah OK03:02
enycpenguin42: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02)03:02
icecruncherdaynah: it seem s you are the 3rd person who has a usb prob with fesity03:03
penguin42enyc: Nod, a fairly standard Intel IDE interface03:03
penguin42daynah: Please bug report it03:03
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shirish!info swfdec03:04
ubotuPackage swfdec does not exist in feisty03:04
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rarjFeisty install doesnt go beyond Migration assistant. Can anyone help ?03:05
daynahThanks! I wanted to make sure it wasn't something everyone knew an obvious fix before I bugged it03:05
Stormx2Okay.03:05
Stormx2I finished doing the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:05
Stormx2Anything else I should do before I reboot?03:05
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enychrrm...03:06
shirishguys any idea how to know if everything is updated, or you are behind as in updates?03:07
enycbizarre muddle is drivers ;-)03:07
Stormx2I'll just reboot I guess03:07
billy!daily03:07
ubotuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/03:07
Stormx2What is the best way to do a nice clean reboot from command line? I don't wanna screw anything up...03:07
penguin42reboot03:07
Stormx2kk.03:07
shirishbilly: I wanted to know through the update is there any way to check that u are updated fully, I also updated through the main mirror but nothing comes in. Any idea?03:08
billyshirish: you working with terminal?03:09
SlimeyPeteif you try to update/dist-upgrade and no package gets selected, then you're up-to-date (assuming you've reloaded your package lists first)03:09
billyshirish: i know update manager doesn't work for me.03:09
shirishbilly: SlimeyPete: I have reloaded my package lists03:09
Suurorcaugh... interesting. apache 2 doesn't seem to work. doesn't say a thing :p03:09
shirishbilly: to answer your query, i am on X not terminal03:10
billyshirish: open a terminal for me, please.03:10
shirishbilly: one is already open :)03:10
slytherinSuurorca: There must be something in logs.03:10
billyshirish: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.  tell me if any packages are kept back.03:11
icecruncheranybody use flex 2 express?03:11
shirishbilly: will do, although it would take a moment, I am again reloading the packages from indian server now, in the hopes something happens03:11
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holycowhey guys03:11
billyshirish: ok.03:12
slytherinbilly: use dist-upgrade when packages are kept back.03:12
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billyslytherin: yes.03:12
Stormx2The ubuntu artwork gets steadily worse with every release03:12
Stormx2but at least my system works.03:12
slytherinStormx2: Everyone can not be pleased. :-)03:12
holycowi'm fine with hosing my system but thought to ask if the upgrade from edgy to feisty is smooth and if feisty is currently in a useable mode or broken?03:12
billyholycow: very smooth for me.  everything works for me as well.03:12
penguin42holycow: It's fine for me - there are various problems affecting various people03:12
slytherinholycow: It is completely in usable mode.03:13
holycowah neat, dist upgrade here i come.03:13
holycowi thank thee03:13
billyholycow: use the recommended upgrade method.03:13
penguin42billy: Does that work now?03:13
Stormx2I like the little blue bit on the left of menus03:13
holycowbilly, what is the recommended method?03:13
icecruncherholycow: lots of bugs03:13
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holycowicecruncher, *nod* okay cool ... noted.  so potentialy hosing of system possible :)03:14
holycowlol03:14
billypenguin42: holycow: alt-f2.  "gksudo update-manager -d", if I remember correctly.03:14
slytherinicecruncher: I would be glad to have a link pointing me to the bugs you filed. :-)03:14
NewUseri m trying to install Feisty Beta with Live cd. In Step 4. Prepare Partitions.. i Aint See any Partition there. Whats That?03:14
icecruncherslytherin: havnt yet03:14
penguin42billy: Nod, 1st time I tried that about a month ago it didn't work - I suspect it may be fixed now03:14
holycowoh update manager03:14
NewUserim trying to install manual partition03:14
holycowthat just does a dist upgrade03:14
holycowno biggie03:14
holycowdanke03:14
slytherinicecruncher: I suppose you know that final release date is 19th.03:14
icecruncheryeah03:15
icecruncheri know03:15
Suurorcaslytherin: luckily it turned out that the upgrade had just dropped the package somewhere. re-install put is back working :)03:15
icecrunchermy adept-updater crashes all the time, i'll post bug soon03:15
Suurorcagave me a good scare, though03:15
billypenguin42: that's the recommended method, over manually editing sources.list and "dist-upgrade"'ing.03:15
penguin42nod03:15
billyNewUser: you don't see ANY partitions?03:15
NewUserbilly: ya There is no partion..03:16
shirishthis is crazy, there are no logs of update-manager or apt-get in /var/log anywhere03:16
Stormx2So where is this codec manager i've heard so much about?03:16
shirishNewUser: is it an IDE or a SATA disk?03:16
slytherinicecruncher: I don't want to sound rude but I have seen many people complaining that there are many bugs but they choose not to file any even when they can. How can one expect the system to get better if problems are not reported.03:16
NewUsershirish: its IDE.. And in My HD There is 4 partition.. 2 for fat 1 for edgy n 1 for swap.03:16
billyNewUser: are you using the latest nightly build of Feisty? or an old build?03:16
NewUserbilly: as i said i just downloaded it today03:17
icecrunchertrue03:17
billyNewUser: from where?  give me the link, please.03:17
slytherinbilly: He is using beta.03:17
elmargolHow can I eject a device from the console without sudo?03:17
NewUserbilly: from Ubuntu web.03:17
slytherinelmargol: eject03:17
elmargolejects needs root03:17
slytherinelmargol: You don't need sudo for that03:17
shirishnope you dont need sudo03:18
slytherinelmargol: How did you mount it?03:18
elmargolit is an automounted ipod03:18
shirishNewUser: this is a dual-boot config I suppose?03:18
slytherinelmargol: Oh. They you should be able to unmount it by right clicking on desktop03:18
slytherinelmargol: I mean right click the icon on desktop03:18
elmargolyes this works. i need the command for amarok to do this for me03:18
slytherinelmargol: Or if you are using rhythmbox then you can eject it form rhythmbox. Don't know about amarok.03:19
elmargoleject %d doesn't workd on feisty anymore03:19
icecruncherslytherin: just got a crash and it says not enough info to create backtrace03:19
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slytherinicecruncher: which app crashed?03:19
NewUsershirish: yes03:19
shirishNewUser: did u format the the feisty side of hdd or how it is there?03:20
Stormx2Ima see if I can get my nvidia legacy driver working.03:20
Stormx2Wish me luck.03:20
icecrunchernspluginvier didn't even use it03:20
NewUsershirish: how can i format the partition ? i want to use edgy partition for fiesty.. but in 4 step.. there is no partition for selection.03:21
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shirishNewUser: it would have been good if you had used the alternate CD, although there have been bugs filed for this03:22
NewUsershirish: I dont have Alternate Cd.. i just download livecd.03:22
billyNewUser: why not just upgrade the Edgy to Feisty?03:22
gopError 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"03:23
gophow do I fix it03:23
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Stormx2w00t!03:24
Stormx2nvidia driver in use!03:24
Stormx2Wow!03:24
Stormx2I've been trying to get that working for like a year and half... and suddenly it works in 5 minutes03:24
NewUserbilly: i d0nt have that kinda speedy net.03:25
Stormx2now for beryl03:25
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slytherinNewUser: Ahh, bad choice for CD. I think it needs to be properly mentioned on websites that only alternate CD can be used for upgrades. Most people are not even aware of it's existence.03:26
slytherinStormx2: beryl is in ubuntu repositories.03:26
billygop: supposedly, your error means that GRUB is attempting to execute a boot sequence for which there there is no kernel to start.03:26
Stormx2slytherin: sudo apt-get install beryl?03:26
Stormx2I'm confused... what should I use, beryl or compiz?03:27
Stormx2or are they the same thing? xD03:27
holycowslytherin, actually when the live cd came out i wasn't even aware of the alternate cd, indeed03:27
gopbilly hmm03:27
billyStormx2: not the same, although they will be, as they are merging.  they work differently on different systems.  try both.03:27
gopis thier a fix for this03:27
slytherinStormx2: Beryl for now. Frankly compiz in feisty s**ks.03:27
billygop:  i always try the easiest thing first.  do you have a super grub disc?03:28
holycowi only found out about the alternate cd and why d-i was no longer available to me at the beginning is when the live installer failed03:28
gopnop03:28
billyslytherin: it's unfinished.  give it time.03:28
gopshould I get one03:28
billygop: http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/?section=download03:28
elmargollol gnome-mount -t --eject --device %d is the correct way to umount an ipod from amarok03:29
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gopk03:29
gopand just burn it03:29
slytherinbilly: Right but then it shouldn't have been a default install03:29
billygop: yes.  you know how to burn ISO images?03:29
gopsure03:29
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slytherinelmargol: ahh, gnome-mount. Forgot that03:30
billyslytherin: well, Feisty hasn't even been officially released.  :)03:30
billygop: cool.  just burn it and boot into it.  there will be an "autofix" option.03:30
slytherinbilly: Yes. But it is just 15 days away. And right now, when you install ubuntu-desktop it also installs compiz.03:30
Stormx2Will I need AIGLX billy / slytherin?03:30
billygop: even if it doesn't work, which it probably will, you need the disc anyway, just in case.03:30
billyStormx2: mine worked without installing anything.03:31
billyStormx2: i got nice rain drops all over my screen as we speak.  :)03:31
slytherinStormx2: You did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right?03:31
gopbilly:  oh oh k sweet03:31
Stormx2Nope. Was I meant to?03:31
gopoh autofix03:31
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gopcan you email me the link djmax00@yahoo.com03:31
gopI will got to supermarket03:31
gopand get a blank cdr03:32
gopI am out03:32
gopthanks03:32
billygop: just bookmark the page.03:32
slytherinStormx2: Not really. I had to do it but then I have been using feisty from herd 3. See if your /etc/X11/xorg.conf has any mention of Composite or AIGLX03:32
Stormx2kk03:32
Stormx2I haven't install either I don't think03:32
gopk03:32
Stormx2I've just gone to System > Administration > Restricted Drivers and enabled the nvidia legacy driver03:32
slytherinStormx2: you don't need to install it. Is is an extension and you need to configure/enable it. That is why I said check xorg.conf03:33
Stormx2Okay03:33
Stormx2Well03:33
Stormx2In the "Device" bit for my NVIDIA card03:34
Stormx2it says:03:34
Stormx2Option"AllowGLXWithComposite""True"03:34
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Stormx2Thats the only reference I can find to aiglx / composite03:34
DaemonikHow's a person set the default sound device with Xubuntu?03:34
ShackJackHi Felly Feistiers - just wondering was anyone else a victim of the botched .14 kernel update yesterday ?03:35
billyStormx2: sounds like you're ready to go.03:35
Stormx2Okay03:35
Stormx2So I can just sudo apt-get install beryl now?03:35
Stormx2w00t03:35
Stormx2I'm excited03:35
billyShackJack: no victim here.  I actually think my system is faster?03:35
ShackJackbilly - so your on kernel .14?03:35
billyStormx2:  you really should make sure you've got the checklist done though.  Gimme a sec to get the link.03:36
billyShackJack: yes.03:36
Stormx2Okay03:36
Stormx2thanks03:36
ShackJackbilly - it's weird - the .14 screwed up my fglrx display and seemingly my wireless... And on my desktop Feisty system, I'm not even prompted to install .1403:36
billyStormx2: nevermind.  i was thinking something else.03:36
billyStormx2: you don't have the beryl repos, right?  just the feisty ones, right?  b/c beryl is now in the fiesty repos.03:37
Stormx2Yeah03:37
Stormx2Thats right03:37
billyStormx2: cool.  yeah.  go for it.  sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald emerald-themes.03:38
billyStormx2: try one thing for me.03:38
slytherinStormx2: go to wiki.ubuntu.com and search for beryl.03:38
Poul^LaptopAnyone tryed hamachi on fiesty?03:39
billyStormx2: don't run beryl yet, after you've downloaded it.  we need to check for direct rendering.03:40
Stormx2Okay.03:40
Stormx2Its downloaded / installed now.03:41
DraconicusHmm..03:41
billyStormx2: glxinfo | grep direct in a terminal.03:41
DraconicusMy spca5xx driver vanished the other day and hasn't come back yet.03:41
DraconicusI did an update and it went poof.03:41
Stormx2direct rendering: Yes03:41
DraconicusI'd like to use my camera again. :P03:41
billyStormx2: you're good to go.  know how to get everything running?03:41
Stormx2billy ^^03:41
Stormx2Yeah03:41
Stormx2I'm on the wiki03:41
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AndyCRhi03:42
Stormx2beryl-manager I think.03:42
Stormx2If this screws up can I just kill it?03:42
AndyCRhaving an issue with desktop effects03:42
AndyCRif i enable them in the desktop effects preferences, it works fine except no window decorator shows03:42
billyStormx2: that may work.  I've always had to run more.  Yes, killing is easy.  but you'll have to switch back to metacity as your window manager.03:42
finalbeta!desktop-effects03:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about desktop-effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:42
Stormx2Checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap        : failed03:42
Stormx2Meh :(03:42
Stormx2No GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap03:43
slytherinStormx2: Stormx2if it screws up then select metacity as window manager form beryl-manager's menu. So it will disable emerald.03:43
billyStormx2: i get little errors like that too.  Beryl didn't run at all?03:43
Stormx2Well03:43
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Stormx2It said that03:43
Stormx2Then this:03:43
Stormx2beryl: Support for non power of two textures missing03:44
Stormx2beryl: Failed to manage screen: 003:44
Stormx2beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.003:44
Stormx2Sorry for the paste ^^03:44
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slytherinStormx2: I think it is time for reconfiguring X server :-D03:44
finalbeta!compiz | Stormx203:44
ubotuStormx2: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects03:44
shirishso either there are updates or something is totally wrong with my stuff03:45
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shirishfor i did the whole apt-get update, apt-get upgrade as well as apt-get dist-upgrade not even an error poops out03:45
billyshirish: you may simply be up to date.  are you having an issue?03:46
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Stormx2I think I'm just gonna miss out on the whole compiz / beryl thing.03:46
Stormx2My video card probably wouldn't run it very well anyway.03:46
billyStormx2: do what slytherin said.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg03:46
shirishbilly: nope was just wondering after the mad rush of the last 3 days today has been virtually nothing03:46
Stormx2kk03:46
slytherinshirish: it happens sometime03:46
shirishbilly: or is the silence before the storm03:46
billyshirish: it's cool.  i haven't gotten anything this morning either.03:47
shirish!now calcutta03:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about now calcutta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:47
billyshirish: just check back this evening, or in about 12 hours.03:47
shirish@now calcutta03:47
Stormx2slytherin: Do I just keep hitting enter?03:47
ubotuCurrent time in Asia/Calcutta: April 06 2007, 19:17:26 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days03:47
shirishbilly: guess would have to do that03:47
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slytherinStormx2: You may have to provide inputs for Monitor. Make sure you use simple interface for monitor config and then just provide monitor size.03:48
billyshirish: well, i know that for myself, update-manager doesn't work.  i manually check everyday.03:48
shirishbilly: same here I also have to do that03:48
billyshirish: so how is feisty working for you?03:48
shirishbilly: I think I filed a bug-report of it, lemme see03:48
slytherinStormx2: After it is done a backup copy of your current xorg.conf will be saved by adding today's date as suffix to it. You can check differences later using diff.03:48
shirishbilly: just like life, somethings work, somethings need work, somethings just do not work lol :P03:49
jarleno news about non-working nvidia-glx-legacy drivers in feisty?03:49
billyshirish: lol.  i know what you mean.  honestly, i expect little things to go wrong until the 19th at least.03:49
gop@now new york03:50
ubotuCurrent time in America/New_York: April 06 2007, 09:50:43 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days03:50
shirishbilly: why do u expect the things to go wrong after 19th i.e. unless you are going to jump repos again to feisty+103:50
billyshirish: there are *always* bugs.03:51
Stormx2slytherin: Restart X?03:51
shirishbilly: that is an understatement for sure03:51
mphillwhy was herd 6 canceled?03:51
shirishbilly: right from filing incomplete bugs03:51
slytherinStormx2: of xourse. Log out and then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace03:51
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shirishmphill: guess because of kernel freeze and lot of other freezes happening03:52
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Stormx2Well, X started fine03:52
Stormx2I'll try beryl-manager again03:52
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flyingpenguin123hey03:52
shirish10 minutes & off I go back then in another hr. or so03:52
flyingpenguin123anyone else got any problems with a 2200BG wireless card?03:52
flyingpenguin123mine isnt detecting any networks at all.03:52
mphillcode freezes are exciting!03:53
Stormx2 Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". <-- I screwed up >__<03:53
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slytherinflyingpenguin123: what is version of feisty you are running?03:53
flyingpenguin1237.0403:53
Stormx2billy?03:53
flyingpenguin123err03:53
flyingpenguin123sorry03:53
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slytherinflyingpenguin123: Is it updated?03:53
billyyeah Stormx2.03:53
Stormx2billy: Suggestions?03:53
jussi01can someone help me sort out my fstab??03:53
flyingpenguin123I've run the update and upgrade commands.03:53
flyingpenguin123I'm not sure what version, I'm still pretty nooby at linux =] 03:54
Stormx2Shall I copy over that option I found in the xorg.conf before?03:54
Stormx2To the new version?03:54
slytherinflyingpenguin123: I just wanted to know if it is latest version.03:54
billyStormx2: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx03:54
flyingpenguin123kays =] 03:54
slytherinStormx2: Yes. As I said check difference and wisely do copy paste.03:54
flyingpenguin123hm I've checked forums and guides but nothing seems to have helped so far.03:55
slytherinflyingpenguin123: Check bug 8233503:55
ubotuMalone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8233503:55
Stormx2Apparently I need to reboot03:55
Stormx2I already had nvidia-legacy-glx installed.03:55
flyingpenguin123okay03:55
Stormx2But it got disabled with that X reconfigure.03:55
flyingpenguin123looking now03:55
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billyStormx2: try the reboot.  we'll be here to help, if we can.03:56
jarleStormx2: You also have problems with nvidia-glx-legacy?03:56
jussi01can someone tell me whats wrong with this line of my fstab, //192.168.123.104/Disk /home/jussi/NAS   smbfs  auto,uid=1000,umask=000,user   0 003:56
Poul^LaptopAnyone who know how to use hamachi ? i got it installed and on a network, but dont know who to list another users shared files03:56
flyingpenguin123I dont think it's a bug with network manager or my router03:57
flyingpenguin123since I have run feisty on my PC and it detected the wireless instantly when I clicked on the icon, there it was03:57
flyingpenguin123but on my laptop its not there.03:57
jarlejussi01: You get any errors when you try mounting it?03:57
icecruncherhow can you view the history in konqueror03:58
shirishguys I hope u guys can all contribute to giving your inputs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/10361103:58
flyingpenguin123and my internet works through a wire03:58
ubotuMalone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 03:58
slytherinjussi01: Do you need to do it /etc/fstab?03:58
jussi01jarle, nevermind, I just realised how stupid I am03:58
flyingpenguin123its just the wireless and its just on the 2200BG03:58
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Stormx2Okay03:59
Stormx2I'm trying again, then03:59
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flyingpenguin123does anyone else here have a 2200BG card? =] 04:00
shirishas well as this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/10286804:00
ubotuMalone bug 102868 in apport "apport should be mini-ftp client with resuming capabilities" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 04:00
Stormx2Um04:00
Stormx2Well it ran >__<04:00
Stormx2Its up in the top right04:00
shirishslytherin: what do u think of the two bugs?04:00
Stormx2I don't see any difference though.04:00
NewUsershirish now My fiesty get hang on step 5 " Migrate Documents And Settings "04:01
jussi01flyingpenguin123, yeah, i do04:01
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shirishNewUser: actually you are almost there, see if you can get to ctrl+alt+F1, another console04:01
jussi01flyingpenguin123, works out of the box...04:02
flyingpenguin123poo.04:02
flyingpenguin123okay.04:02
flyingpenguin123what can I do to narrow down the problem?04:02
NewUsershirish: system g0t halted.. :<04:03
jussi01flyingpenguin123, whats the problem?04:03
Stormx2Billy, it won't load. It turns up in my notification area. I go to Select Window Manager > Beryl... my window decorations flash a little bit, then it goes back to metacity.04:03
shirishNewUser: sorry have no idea04:03
Stormx2I'm back with the same errors in the terminal, too04:04
flyingpenguin123there are no wireless connections04:04
flyingpenguin123at all04:04
flyingpenguin123no signals, nothing04:04
shirishNewUser: I did through the alternate CD and it works for me, of course there are still some issues which need ironing out04:04
flyingpenguin123and if I try to manually connect it simply stays at 0 signal04:04
billyStormx2: from what I understand, the nvida-legacy drivers are a touch buggy.  I think other folks in this room have stated as much.04:04
NewUsershirish: there is 3 buttons.. For use.. but.. Just one is enable :/ And that one is cancel :>04:05
billyStormx2: did you run "emerald --replace" ?04:05
Stormx2billy: Nope.04:05
shirishNewUser: I wish u could take a screenshot & upload it to launchpad, actually this is severe stuff which you are facing, this should not happen04:05
billyStormx2: that's one of the things I always have to run.  alt-f2 and run `emerald --replace`.04:06
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NewUserbilly: have any idea? installation get hang on step 5. " Migrate Documentes And Setting "?04:06
shirishNewUser: I am out of here for time being, suggest you look at answers as well as bugs in launchpad , possibly somebody have some idea04:06
billyNewUser: are you sure it's a hang?  how long did you let it try?04:06
NewUsershirish: i m trying to install fisty on another machine ..04:06
NewUserbilly: yes i m sure its hang.. coz mouse or keyboard nothing works.04:07
shirishbilly: he cannot get to command prompt04:07
shirishok guys signing off, back in an hr. or so04:07
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NewUserbilly: for last 20 minutes same screen.04:07
billyNewUser: yep.  that's a hang allright.04:07
flyingpenguin123woh.04:08
NewUser*NetSplit*04:08
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flyingpenguin123wow.04:08
NewUserbilly: what do i do now ? any idea?04:08
flyingpenguin123what happened...an ISP went down?04:08
jussi01!netsplit04:08
ubotunetsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit04:08
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billyNewUser:  alt-f2.  beryl04:09
flyingpenguin123hehe thanks04:09
NewUserbilly: but system is hang :s now alt-f2 works ?04:09
billyNewUser: sorry.  got things crossed.04:09
Stormx2Looks like my card can't run beryl after all...04:10
flyingpenguin123so.04:10
Stormx2Well, XGL, which is needed by beryl if i'm using nvidia legacy drivers.04:10
flyingpenguin123whats the usual thing to do when wireless isnt working?04:10
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billyNewUser: just a sec.  let me see if I can dig something up.04:10
NewUserbilly: sure.04:11
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peter77ubuntu seems to take longer to boot than it did after I just installed it04:14
peter77I've disabled uneeded startup services but that has made little to no difference04:14
jarlewould it be straight forward for me to set my feisty system back to edgy? (I need to get my nvidia driver back up) Is it as simple as replacing feisty with edgy in the sources.list?04:15
billy!downgrade | jarle04:15
ubotujarle: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.04:15
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hidanhmmmm04:15
hidani'm trying to install updates now. But it stalls at "preparing to configure libdecoration0"04:16
jarleThe thread at http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87332&page=4 didn't bring any good news into the nvidia not working case...04:16
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peter77jarle, as ubuntu takes about 30 mins to install I'd backup my files and just install edgy04:17
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stefgOoops... 2.6.20-14 just came in, but won't boot. Too sad :-(04:18
billy!info libdecoration004:18
ubotulibdecoration0: Compiz window decoration library. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 120 kB04:18
NewUserbilly: I just Reboot my System After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in04:18
jarlepeter77: Then I had to keeps installing all the programs over again, as I can not make ubuntu install the programs I have today..04:18
peter77hmm, have you got a large amount of programs to reinstall jarle?04:19
billyNewUser: i don't know what that means.  you should boot into an earlier kernel.04:19
hidanbah...04:19
jarlepeter77: and it has taken me months just figuring out the different programs that I need to have installed to do different tasks...04:20
flyingpenguin123my wireless still isnt working :(04:20
watchmere04:20
peter77jarle, you could wait until the nvidia drivers become available for feisty04:20
stefgHmmm, so obviously I'm not the only one on whose system the latest, but not greatest 2.6.20-14 kernel won't run?04:21
jarlepeter77: guess that is the most effort-less solution..04:21
watchmeis there anyone who can tell me how I can find a UUID if blkid doenst give one?04:21
billyhidan:  there weren't any packages being held back before you updated, right?04:21
gopupdating is like going to the dentist04:22
peter77jarle, I have a intel chipset so the drivers for mine are opensource04:22
jarlestefg: the 2.6.20-14-386 kernel is working fine here..04:22
lupine_85watchme: is it an ext{2,3} device?04:22
gopit has some painfull stuff04:22
hidanbilly: hmmmm i don't think so.04:22
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hidanbilly: ah well, i'll report at Launchpad.04:22
watchmelupine_85: nope04:22
jarlepeter77: maybe I should just get a new intel-based 3d-card then... any suggestions?04:22
watchmelupine_85: its NTFS04:23
peter77lol, the intel cards suck!!04:23
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lupine_85heh, no idea then - maybe it doesn't have one. But you can mount it anyway, just using the device file04:23
watchmeand this is the only thing I've been said... :D04:23
peter77the only good thing is that it's easy to get drivers04:23
jussi01flyingpenguin123, can you tell me again whats happening... I can be bothered to scroll back and find what you said..04:23
watchmelupine_85: thats the point... I dont have a device file04:23
lupine_85if you don't have a device file, you don't have a device04:23
watchmesure I have04:24
lupine_85 /dev/sdxx ?04:24
stefgjarle: i just updated the 'generic'-one, as i just keep updating the default Desktop install, and it fails at trying to initialize the ohci1394.... i never had something like that before with any kernel. Maybe i should try -38604:24
watchmeit should be there, yes04:24
watchmebut I dont have a /dev/hda (as I did since the update today)04:25
lupine_85all the hda devices got turned into sda devices04:25
watchmei know I can mount the sda, but I dont want to04:25
stefgSame here... funny stuff going on04:25
watchmeI want to mount everything through the UUID, because if they change it back, im in trouble again04:26
stefg!info vol_id04:26
ubotuPackage vol_id does not exist in feisty04:26
gop  so 14 days for a offical realse of fiesty04:26
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lupine_85they're not going to change it back, but if it's not got a block ID I don't know how you'd give it one04:26
stefgmeans 14 /busy/ days for the kernel hackers :-o04:26
gopyea04:26
watchmelupine_85: that sucks ... :(04:26
gopthe kernel hackers get bussy04:27
watchmeok... I'll change it so sda... :D04:27
watchmeI hope you're right and they will not change it again :D04:28
watchmeotherwise I'll take Debian... it's less work ... :D04:28
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jt___I'm using Ubuntu 7.04 beta with desktop effects.  I've got both effects clicked (windows wobble + cubed), but I don't know how to view / manipulate the cube layout.  Can anyone tell me how to do this?  Thanks04:29
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lupine_85watchme: you might want to check out the ntfsprogs package04:29
lupine_85it might have something useful in04:29
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Ximalhmm04:29
watchmethis N3 thing?04:29
lupine_85!info ntfsprogs feisty04:29
ubotuntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.13.1-6 (feisty), package size 267 kB, installed size 700 kB04:29
stefgBut what's really annoying is that i had to reassemble my raid0 array (where Dapper is installed) after feisty failed to boot. I'm content with feisty simply not working, but killing an array which is none of feistys business at this time is somewhat disturbing...04:29
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lupine_85you might be able to give it a label or uuid using a tool in there04:29
gopcntrl+alt + up down or left or right arrows04:29
jussi01jt___, ctrl alt left mouse button?04:29
lupine_85I was going to install it and look for you, but my mirror is down, lol04:30
gopstefg:  so you also got fiesty not to boot04:30
gopsame here04:30
Stormx2I give up on effects04:30
watchme:D thx anyway04:30
jt___jussi01: that didn't work for me.04:30
Stormx2What about this media codec manager I've heard about?04:30
peter77ubuntu feisty fawn seems to take longer to boot than it did after I just installed it.04:30
peter77I've disabled uneeded startup services but that has made little to no difference!04:30
watchmelupine_85: how du I find what sde is?04:31
SlimeyPetepeter77: there's an issue with slow bootig due to the networking stuff atm04:31
watchme-u+o04:31
gopSlimeyPete:  will it be fixed in offical realse04:32
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peter77SlimeyPete, ahh04:32
NewUserCan someone help me this ? I just Reboot my System After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in04:32
watchmelupine_85: I got my HDD with sda1-10 then a sdb (god knows what itis) sdb and sdc as my DVDs and sde (wtf?)04:32
lupine_85watchme: it's mostly a guessing game04:33
lupine_85I'd mount them one by one and take a look04:33
lupine_85fdisk -l (L) might help also04:33
SlimeyPetegop: I've no idea04:33
lupine_85Ubuntu would have done better using LVM for everything :/04:33
SlimeyPetegop: presumably, yes - it's quite bad for some people (including me) and there's a bug report with lots of people complaining about it04:33
watchmefdisk I tried, but it shows my HDD only :(04:34
=== stefg simply hopes that feisty won't share the fate of Dapper. There the kernel was fine until beta-release, but then it went all the wrong way.... So tired of compiling kernels with vmware and nvidia and stuff... This ain't gentoo, huh?
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watchmestefg: ACK04:34
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rarjHow to install mp3, vcd and dvd codecs under feisty?04:34
watchmestefg: I had Gentoo for over 4 Years,,,, :(04:34
Ximalhttp://pastebin.ca/426946  <----- Would someone look here at my video card and tell me which package I need to use / install that is with ubuntu to get my maximum 3d effects/benefits back ? please04:35
XamDMhow can i read the dma status of my cdrom-drives ??04:35
watchmeXamDM: hdparm04:35
watchmeman hdparm04:35
XamDMwatchme, does it work with libata ???04:35
hidangeez this really ... blows, man... update manager is not installing properly... i think i'll kill it and restart the pc.04:36
XamDMwatchme, it does#t work with libata, libata uses the scsi-stack, so hdparm belives that the cdrom is a scsi-drive04:36
watchmeargh04:37
watchmeim sry04:37
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NewUserbilly? there ?04:38
NewUserwell im on cmd prompt. with live cd.04:38
NewUserthere is something problem with sh: cant access tty; job control off04:39
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stefgXimal: Actually the out-of-the box nvidia driver (in restricted-modules) should do it. But I#ve heard of some troubles with this Nvidia...Go-chipsets04:40
billyNewUser:  you can't boot into your hard drive at all?04:40
AndyCRim using a geforce go 7600 and its working fine04:40
AndyCRnvidia-glx04:40
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Ximali dunno how.. the nividie i was told works by XamDM in main buntu chan..04:40
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stefgXimal: you did enable the 'restricted'-modules, didnt you?04:41
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NewUserbilly: i just boot from live cd04:41
NewUserbilly: i m on (initramfs) this prompt04:42
watchmedoes anyone can help me with a broken gconf?04:42
billyNewUser: you're on dialup right?04:42
watchme-does04:42
NewUserbilly : i m Using LAN04:42
billyNewUser: what's you're average download speed?04:42
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watchmeI hate feisty by now: the nvidia-glx broke my beryl. now I have to compile the original drivers with any new kernel); it broke my gconf... no one could help me. no one in Google, no one in IRC...; and now I had a day trouble with this fuckin' SCSI shit04:44
PriceChild!ohmy | watchme04:44
ubotuwatchme: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:44
PriceChildIf no-one helped you, then no-one at the time knew the answer.04:45
NewUserbilly : i m Using LAN04:45
PriceChildthere _will_ be a legacy nvidia driver in feisty before release.04:45
watchmePriceChild: I know...04:45
NewUserbilly: dont ask :p its just 8kbs d/l spped.04:45
PriceChildRemember feisty is not finished. The _ONLY_ reason you are using it is to report bugs and help with triaging / development04:46
watchmePriceChild: ...but uts frustrating04:46
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watchme-u+i04:46
PriceChildYou have been warned not to use it as your production desktop. So don't be annoyed when it breaks.04:46
watchmePriceChild: what else should I be? happy?04:46
watchmelaughing and dancing, if my PC breaks?04:46
AndyCRyou are using beta software04:46
watchmeyes04:47
AndyCRdont want it to break? use released software04:47
watchmeand I know the problems which come with it....04:47
PriceChildwatchme, boot back into your edgy partition04:47
PriceChildor dapper of course04:47
Hobbseewatchme: look at the date.  it's easter.  most people arent here.04:47
gopahh04:47
watchmeand I dont have ANY problems with the bugs... and I reported many..., but I think its frustrating if there is a bug, and no one can help!04:48
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PriceChildno-one <online at the time> can help04:48
watchmeomg04:48
watchmein German we call someone like you a "Korinthenkacker"04:48
PriceChildpardon?04:48
fKnrofl04:49
TexJoachimPriceChild: he was insulting you04:49
watchmerofl :D04:49
watchmenope:D04:49
gop!gnome-mount04:49
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gnome-mount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:49
TexJoachimwatchme: oh yeah04:49
Toma-is it possible to update a system via chroot?04:50
watchmeTexJoachim: watch your words....04:50
lupine_85PriceChild: insults are better when you can't understand them ;)04:50
PriceChildlupine_85, hehe :)04:50
gop!cursing04:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cursing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:50
watchmedict.leo.org says "Korinthenkacker" is something like nitpicker :D04:51
PriceChildLets move on please04:51
watchmek....04:51
Toma-trying to update a broken feisty via chroot but it wont resolve anything :<04:52
watchmeToma-: ?04:52
dnlIs anyone using the latest version of Wine (0.9.34) on Feisty?04:52
Toma-watchme: fesity kernel wont load ndiswrapper or rtl8180. so i need to update in order to get on the net.04:52
watchmeToma-: why doesn't it load ndiswrapper? any errorsin dmesg?04:53
billydnl: i'm still using .3304:53
cliebow_anyone have a link for feisty iso?04:53
Toma-watchme: no. ndiswrapper loads fine with no errors in dmesg or /var/log/messages04:53
Ximalhttp://pastebin.ca/426962 please loook here.. i got this far with XamDM helping  me04:53
billy!daily | cliebow04:54
ubotucliebow: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/04:54
Ximaldo i need to restart x now ?04:54
Toma-watchme: its aliased to wlan0, but still wont make a network interface when loaded04:54
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dnl0.9.34 isn't in the deb repository, but it is in the the winehq edgy repository.  Would the edgy package work with 7.04?04:54
watchmeI don't understand why you want to chroot because ndiswrapper isnt working?!?04:54
Poul^Laptophttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14199/   i dont know how to use smbmount i think :(04:54
gop!samba > Poul^Laptop04:55
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Toma-watchme: i have a working edgy install, fesity's networking is busted beyond belief. if i can update the kernel to something with a non-bugged option of rtl8180, i can get on the internet fine (i hope)04:55
billydnl: i wouldn't try that.04:55
watchmeToma-: the first thing, I would do is to read the errors in dmesg.. normally there is a fix too :D04:56
cliebow_Toma-:good to know i thought it was me..but works awesome on ppc'04:56
dnlbilly: Would apt-get build-dep wine, and manually building the sources be better?04:57
Ximalhttp://pastebin.ca/426962 please loook here.. i got this far with XamDM helping  me04:57
Ximaldo i need to restart x now ?04:57
Toma-watchme: there is, no errors. not 1. i have looked in every log. no errors.04:57
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watchmebut: If you chroot : dont forget to mount /dev and /proc and so on to /chroot/04:57
billydnl: it would be better than using the edgy package, yes.04:57
Toma-atm, im only getting resolve issues with chroot04:58
watchmewhich one?04:58
Toma-apt-get update ... getting package from thisplace.com (error cannot resolve thisplace.com)04:59
Toma-and so on04:59
Poul^Laptopgop yes :P05:00
watchmejo05:00
watchmeyou dont have a network connection05:00
gopwhat works great on ppc05:00
gopcliebow_:  what works great05:00
Toma-yeh. not on the chroot environment. spose i should change /etc/resolv.conf?05:00
watchmeif you chroot to /my/feisty/system you have to mount /dev /my/feisty/system05:00
NewUserCan someone help me this ? I just Reboot my System And boot with livecd After Unpacking kernel the msg comes [ 190.113040 ]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [190.113111]  ata1.00: cmd c8/00:60:28:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 49152 in. And " sh: cant access tty; job control off "05:01
watchmedo you have a connection in edgy?05:01
NewUsernow i m on something (initramfs) this prompt05:01
Toma-yep05:01
watchmeand there you can apt-get ?05:01
Toma-i have mounted the fesity system, chrooted to it...05:02
Toma-yep05:02
watchmeok.. cool05:02
watchmeso with this you chroot to your feisty system ?05:02
Turmsi'm trying to install feisty on this pc, two questions 1) why there isn't live-expert mode in rc1 ? 2) why it doesn't make any duifference between scsi and ata disks? i have 2 scsi e 3 ata but they are all named /dev/sd*05:02
Toma-im guessing i should jusy compile a new kernel for feisty05:02
cliebow_gop:feisty in ppc05:02
Toma-watchme: indeed.05:02
gopI tought they stoped ppc development05:03
gopI am on eddgy ppc right know05:03
cliebow_it is community now05:03
Toma-whats the latest kernel build number?05:03
gopsweet05:03
gopdoes it workgood05:03
watchmeso then you forgot to mount your /dev/ and your /proc to your feisty system05:03
cliebow_gop:i wont say i didnt have my confusions getting this far..05:03
watchmewithout that you dont have any devices in your chroot envoirement05:03
Toma-watchme: ok. thanks05:04
cliebow_broadcom support still a little wonky'05:04
NewUsercan anyone help ? coz now i want to install it anyhow. i check the cd media .. its fine..05:04
watchmenp05:04
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finalbetabroadcom support improved, but ti's still horrible, running at 11Mbit.05:04
dnlIs there any current documentation for using XGL with 7.04?05:05
cliebow_gop:two things i Really miss in ppc....nx..and java05:05
watchmeI'll take ndiswrapper since I can use WPA with my acx111 :D05:05
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finalbetacliebow: really? There's no package at sun.com for ppc?05:05
finalbetastrange05:05
cliebow_not that i found..i had sbalneav poke around too..05:06
cliebow_kaffe does sort of work,,slow as a dog i found it05:07
gopflash05:07
gopno flash05:08
watchmedoes anyone know, if I can copy a gconf from xubuntu to ubuntu?05:08
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finalbetawatchme: no, it might not crash everything up, but I would recommend doing it.05:10
watchmehmmmz05:12
finalbetaI mean, woudln't recommend05:12
finalbetableh05:13
cliebow_gop:there is obviously java for ppc running osx...but no instaal candidate for feisty05:13
watchmeIm searching for a way out ;) :D05:13
goptrue but thier no flash05:13
watchmeok... Ill change to X-Chat :D05:13
dnlWith the Feisty release coming up, it seems there are a lot of packages changing.. does anyone know when the freeze is?05:15
Hobbseednl: which one?05:15
Hobbseemain's frozen now, The Big Final Freeze is on the 12th05:15
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dnlHobbsee: ok05:16
dnlHobbsee: Does that freeze include universe?05:16
shirishtoday is the most boring of days, no new updates, no new features, I am gonna dump this repo the day the new repo feisty+1 is there05:16
Hobbseethe big one?  yes.05:16
shirishpart-time masochist here :)05:17
Hobbseeshirish: you dont want to use feisty+1 in the first few weeks05:17
Hobbseeshirish: learn to package, etc.05:17
Hobbseeshirish: and bug triage.05:17
shirishyucks05:17
Hobbseeshirish: that'll give you something useful to do.05:17
Hobbseednl: why, what were you after?05:17
shirishI saw the bug triage thing, it is a full-time job without any appreciation05:18
shirish!bug-triage05:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bug-triage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:18
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dnlHobbsee: I am wondering when to apt-get upgrade this live CD.  (and was wondering if there was still time for wine 0.9.34 in universe)05:18
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watchmere05:19
watchmeaaahh.. thats better :D05:19
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MenaHi, Why kernel 2.6.20.13 don;t detect th hddtemp sensor05:19
Hobbseednl: doubt it.  check the bugs for wine on launchpad05:19
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tman_ubuntuquestion about upgrading to fiesty and moving profile with clean install.05:19
shirishwatchme: how did u change your colors to green?05:20
watchme?!?05:20
NewUserhai now i m on step 4. Prepare Partition.. And i want to install fiesty in edgy partition.. And on screen there is ext3 partition.. now how can i use that partition for fiesty?05:20
shirishI mean your handle name or is it some feature in GAIM?05:20
Toma-watchme: im off to fight yet another losing battle against ndiswrapper. :) wish me luck.05:20
watchmeGAIM?05:20
shirishwhich client are u using to talk?05:21
watchmeX-Chat205:21
shirish!info gaim05:21
ubotugaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta6-1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1700 kB, installed size 4808 kB05:21
shirishah ok05:21
NewUsershirish:  now i m on step 4. Prepare Partition.. And i want to install fiesty in edgy partition.. And on screen there is ext3 partition.. now how can i use that partition for fiesty?05:21
NewUsershirish: first delete it? or any other thing?05:21
watchmeshirish: Im not green?!?05:22
shirishNewUser: delete the partition05:22
NewUsershirish: okie then?05:22
tman_ubuntui have my profile on edgy on it's own partition (/home).  would like to bring it over to a clean install of fiesty.  How to do this?05:22
watchmenor is my X-Chat :D05:22
Hobbseeshirish: it's a feature in gaim05:22
shirishwatchme: now you were brown but that is when people addres me05:22
Hobbseetman_ubuntu: dont forward the /home and tell the installer to mount it as /home05:22
watchmewhat clint are you using?05:22
watchmeKvIRC or something like that?05:23
shirishtman_ubuntu: simple, first see that all your docs & stuff you cant lose back it up05:23
tman_ubunturight.  my question is though, user setup.05:23
shirishwatchme: gaim05:23
NewUsershirish: now there is free space of 20gb. tehre05:23
NewUser*there05:23
tman_ubuntuwhen fiesty asks me to set up users, how do i tell it to use my user name and passwrd from the edgy profile?05:23
shirishNewUser: then give some space for / and a swap partition05:24
NewUsershirish: i had already swap in /dev/sda7 its showing there05:24
NewUsershirish: so remove swap too? then make it back again?05:24
shirishNewUser: yup remove the swap05:24
NewUsershirish: okie05:24
shirishNewUser: the way is always remove the last partition, then the one before that05:24
shirishNewUser: so you should have removed swap first, then your /05:25
NewUsershirish okie .. dont know that.. sorry!05:25
shirishNewUser: no issues we all learn by making mistakes , I still do :)05:25
dnlHobbsee: Are things such as the livecd installer frozen?  (i.e. would apt-get upgrade on a "daily" live CD work to make it up-to-date with the final release?)05:26
shirishNewUser: anyways, now give some space for /05:26
NewUsershirish: mount point is / for ext3?05:26
tman_ubuntushirish: when fiesty asks to setup a new user, how do i connect it to the existing profile?05:26
shirishNewUser: yup05:26
shirishtman_ubuntu: no idea about that one m8 never tried like that05:26
shirishNewUser: make sure to set the bootable flag there or a checkbox something like that must be there05:27
shirishNewUser: is there?05:27
NewUserthere is just 5 tabs.05:27
NewUseryes i m05:27
NewUserdevice, type, mount point, format?, size05:28
DraconicusI'll be back in a bit. I've got some work to do that requires X-Chat being closed.05:28
shirishNewUser: what is in type?05:28
NewUserfor / i select type ext305:28
NewUsertype is filesystem05:28
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jimmy_hey guys, i tried turning on desktop effects, and it doesnt work, it says couldnt be enabled, im using a thinkpad t42 laptop with a radeon mobility 750005:29
shirishNewUser: just a minute, I am trying to find the screenshots for installing through the GUI05:29
NewUsershirish: sure05:30
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jimmy_is it possible because i installed is it possibly because i installed xorg-driver-fglrx ?05:30
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acehi all05:31
acei have a problem with the alternative installer disk05:31
shirishNewUser: there is this place called shots.osdir.com for screenshots of almost all linux distros currently05:31
NewUsershirish: ty.. let me chk it.05:32
Poul^Laptopgop, still here?05:32
shirishNewUser: yup cool, unfortunately it does not have 7.04 screenshots05:32
AshbringerHello, how would I edit my grub config to auto-boot from the latest kernel over a self-compiled one?05:32
shirishNewUser: but it does have 6.06 screenies wanna look at them05:33
NewUsershirish: if 7.04 not there :S so05:33
aceI have IDE drives but it clearly said on the installer that it was SCSI, thats the problem, and it wrote fstab with entries pointing to sda and sdb which do not exist, however there are /dev/hda and hdb, so i'm guessing that there is a problem with the installer, its detecting IDE disks as SCSI05:33
watchmewhy are there screens of a DISTRIBUTION?05:33
NewUsershirish: i install 6.06 And 6.10 create partition my self.. but.. dont know the new Migrate Documents And Settings. Step Creating a Problem.05:33
Poul^Laptophttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14199/   still dont know know to use this :(05:33
NewUserwatchme: shots.osdir.com05:33
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finalbetaace: fstab with /dev/hda in Feisty? Fiesty uses !uuid's05:34
watchmeI mean, I can make a Knoppix looking like SuSE and a gentoo look like ubuntu....05:34
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acei know but the #entries shows sda and sdb, i'll show you05:34
shirishNewUser: I did not come across that hence cannot give guidance there I made a clean install on hdd05:34
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watchmefinalbeta: btw: I changed it to sda and it works too, because my NTFS-partition doesnt have a UUID05:35
NewUsershirish: same as before. its getting stuck on This new Step. Migrate Documentes And Settings.05:35
finalbetawatchme: yeah, ntfs can't have uuid's.05:35
watchmeso there is no chance to mount a NTFS per UUID?05:35
acehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14207/05:35
shirishNewUser: no idea about that one m805:35
Hidanman finally... Finally, Feisty downloads the update files. pfftt... it took me so many tries to keep it going 'cos update manager kept crashing or X kept crashing/freezing.05:36
NewUsershirish: nevamind dude.. this New step.. getting problem here.05:36
aceUUID seems so random, what is it?05:36
NewUseris anyone fimiliar with the new installation Step. Migrate Documents And Settings?05:36
Poul^LaptopAnyone who can tell me how i can see the shared files of a computer which i know the ip of?05:36
finalbetawatchme: UUID's are stored in the master block of ext2/3 partitions before the journal. Linux doesn't write to ntfs at all, so no UUID's are created for it.05:36
shirishNewUser: did u see wiki.ubuntu.com for this step?05:37
acebut i use xfs05:37
Hidanshirish: yo good to see ya, man.05:37
watchmefinalbeta: linux writes to ntfs with this new 3N thing05:37
lupine_85ace: a series of random digits ;)05:37
shirishHidan: hi :)05:37
xtknightwhy wouldn't you be able to mount ntfs via uuid?05:37
NewUsershirish i checked the wiki.. but not Found any thing.. coz.. on this step.. nothing happend. :<05:37
acelupine_85: why use that instead of /dev/hda and stuff?05:37
xtknighttype "blkid" to grab a uuid for your disk05:37
shirishwatchme: that is ntfs-3g05:37
Hidanxtknight: HEY!!! Howdy!!!!05:37
lupine_85ace: no idea05:37
xtknightohh ehh you're right ntfs doesn't have 'em :O05:38
lupine_85I do use the device files :D05:38
watchmehttp://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html05:38
Hidanxtknight: oh if you're wondering, feisty's been having some nasty issues but I think the updates are straightening some of them. :)05:38
Hidanxtknight: but this time round, at least i can install programs. =p05:38
finalbetaace: apparently the uuid's are randomly created, they might use things like /dev/rand and the ethernet address, or so I've googled...05:38
shirishHidan: if and when they come05:38
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lupine_85working :D05:39
AshbringerCan anyone help me switch what kernel I'm using from a custom-compiled one to the latest binary image? Can I just move the entry up in menu.lst?05:39
lupine_85or relaxing05:39
Hidanshirish: hm? what do you mean by "if and when they come"?05:39
finalbetawatchme: yeah I know, but the file system still has to support uuid's, linux can't just write a uuid on it where it wants. So one can assume ntfs doesn't support them.05:39
lupine_85this being a religious holiday and stuff05:39
xtknightHidan, ive helepd with too many problems to remember yours.  was it the printer/usb?05:39
xtknight;P05:39
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shirishHidan: I have also subscribed to feisty-changes mailing list, which sends a mail of any new updates05:40
Hidanxtknight: yeah it was the printer memory slot being read as a hard disk... and also, some problem of xserver-core crashing non-stop and giving me plenty of problems.05:40
shirishHidan: no mail for last 8 hrs. except for 1 but it had couple of xfce updates05:40
finalbetahttp://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml (rss feed for changes in fesity)05:40
aceIs there a forum or somewhere where people discuss the look of kubuntu, i want the devs to use QtCurve so gtk and qt apps match05:40
Hidanxtknight: as a result, lots of pple recommended i get feisty.05:40
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xtknightahh05:41
[Phaedrus] any suggestions on a commandline torrent client?05:41
acelibtorrent?05:41
shirishNewUser: your issue is being solved today I think, it seems the migration assistant is borked or something05:41
[Phaedrus] ace: it works?05:41
xtknightlibtorrent is a library05:41
Hidanxtknight: yeah, Feisty was okay until X started freezing randomly on me. I'd do cold reboots until someone advised me to try alt+ magic keys. =)05:41
aceno idea05:41
[Phaedrus] yeah, i know.. thats why i asked :)05:42
xtknight[Phaedrus] , apt-cache search torrent05:42
dnlIs the CVS package in feisty broken?  I am getting a CVSROOT error when I try to check anything out.05:42
[Phaedrus] Hidan: that worked?05:42
xtknightoriginal torrent .py was command line05:42
xtknighti think05:42
xtknightHidan, hah i love Magic05:42
shirishNewUser: http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/migration-assistant/0.4.505:42
acextknight: hm... i saw libtorrent listed as the client someone was using so i had a guess05:42
xtknightace, libtorrent is likely the library that is the basis of many clients05:42
xtknightbut it is not a client itself05:42
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Hidan[phaedrus]  hell yeah... it worked like 99% of the time, except for once when there was a kernel crash... 'cos i left my printer on while booting into Ubuntu. Needless to say, Ubuntu kept trying to read a "non-existant hard disk" and bam! everything crashed.05:43
[Phaedrus] heh.05:43
Hidanxtknight: hell yeah, YUIM is good.05:43
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Hidanxtknight: oh good 41 mins left till the next installation of upgrades.05:44
Hidanxtknight: ever since I installed the new upgrades, there're less problems now. Gnome-system-log and Gnome-system-monitor don't keep crashing on me.05:45
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Hidanxtknight: Feisty's performance seems slightly better. However, given that it's about 1 hour since I installed the updates, who knows...05:46
xtknightHidan, same here, i like feisty's speed advantage05:46
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Hidanxtknight: before, darn... every application was lagging and WinXP seemed like Heaven compared to Ubuntu. :p05:47
xtknightHidan, feisty lives up to its name05:47
acei wonder if its possible to update from warty to breezy to dapper to edgy to feisty all without reinstalling it, just using apt-get05:47
Hidanxtknight: lol... feisty fawn...05:47
finalbetaxtknight: speed advantage?05:47
finalbetaWhere?05:47
xtknightfinalbeta, faster kernel it seems05:47
[Phaedrus] heh05:47
Hidanxtknight: be careful it doesn't chase you around the town!05:47
xtknightwill Feisty implement a realtime/dynticks/tickless kernel ?05:48
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exlthi all - this mornings update now gives me desktop icons - one for another local mounted partition, and another for an unknown unmountable device called 'SERVICEV001' - there is nothing in ~/Desktop, nor have I seen this behavior before - my love of xfce is that it does not do odd auto-things unless I tell it to..  any help on disabling whatever this is - I have looked for new unfamiliar processes, and have not put my finger on it.. this is on xubuntu/f05:49
Poul^LaptopHow do i see the shared files of pc with ip a.b.c.d?05:51
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greyman_anyone seen this with 7.04 on a fresh install      /bin/sh: Can't access tty; Job control turned off05:52
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exltPoul^Laptop: how are they shared?  nfs, smb, etc.05:53
Poul^Laptopwindows shared05:53
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Poul^Laptopexlt, windows shared files05:53
exltsmbclient -L host05:54
Hidanxtknight: holy moly, Feisty seems to not freeze again! :) Btw, how long have you been using Linux?05:54
Poul^Laptopi can then see  "Ny mappe" is shared. how do i mount that so i can acces the files in it05:54
Poul^Laptopexlt,05:55
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jarleHow can I find out which package provides /usr/share/qt3/doc/html/linguist.dcf ?05:56
stevedmFeisty doesn't connect to the network on startup. I must always go and click on network -> Wired network for it to connect. Is this bug known?05:56
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xtknightHidan, 5 years off and on05:56
anandanbui have a problem in mounting the windows drives in Ubuntu 7.04. I have installed Ubuntu in a separate primary partition how do i correct it05:56
xtknightHidan, uesd it regularly for about 8 months straight now05:56
Hidanxtknight: nice, awesome!05:57
xtknightubuntu is what got me staying05:57
exltPoul^Laptop: mount -t smbfs //host/share /mnt/point (depending on if it is authenticated you may need '-o username=user,password=pass')05:57
xtknighttried about 100 distros05:57
darxi need an audio player that is frugal with resources05:57
darxany suggestions05:57
xtknightredhat 7 , suse 7 etc back in the day.  then all the fedoras05:57
Poul^Laptopexlt, dont think any authenticating should be needed, but will check05:57
Hidanxtknight: actually, i'm likely to switch to ubuntu almost full-time(except for playing all my games. don't really wanna use cedenga.)05:57
Poul^Laptopexlt,  is it not smbmount ?05:58
xtknightHidan, i just dualboot for games05:58
xtknightlike my xp for gaming05:58
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exltyou can use smbmount, if you want, Poul^Laptop - it is just an alias to mount -t smbfs05:58
Hidanxtknight: all right, man! 30 mins!!!!  same here, i plan to do that except i haven't really used xp for days.05:58
stevedmWhere can I ask Feisty network related question?05:58
xtknightHidan, make sure you dont forget how to use windows.  it is harder to use ;P05:58
darxstevedm: here05:58
exltjarle: dpkg --search /path/to/file05:59
xtknightand there's no dmesg05:59
xtknightoh windows sucks05:59
Poul^Laptopexlt so if i use smb mount, it would be smbmount //host/share /media/windowshare  ect05:59
stevedmdarx: Feisty doesn't connect to the network on startup. I must always go and click on network -> Wired network for it to connect. Is this bug known?05:59
exltPoul^Laptop: looks right05:59
Hidanxtknight: oh lol... don't worry, my family's laptop is on Windows and no, my mother has enough problems using WinXP already. God forbid if she tries to use command line. :P06:00
Poul^Laptop"Ny mappe"  the space is % something right=?  exlt06:00
stevedmdarx: Dapper didn't have this problem. As soon as I log on it's connected to network.06:00
jarleexlt: thank you, I was looking at apt-cache for an option..06:00
aceIts strange, i don't feel that kubuntu is well presented on its first startup, when i reinstalled it i felt sad06:00
darxstevedm: put a script on rc.local.. that'll fix it06:00
darxthats /etc/rc.local06:00
exltor escape it - Ny\ mappe06:00
greyman_anyone seen issues with an alternative install of 7.0406:00
Poul^Laptopexlt, ye right :)06:01
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greyman_settting up software raid06:01
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acegreyman_: i had issues with the alternative install06:01
acegreyman_: with the beta disk06:01
Toma-Ok! i got network up and running :)06:01
acegreyman_: it detected my IDE disks as SCSI for some reason06:01
greyman_ace: how did you fix it?06:01
Toma-it was a buggy version of ndiswrapper.06:01
stevedmdarx: We'll Joe new user can't do that. This need to be raised as a bug. Do you know which packages the bug relates too? BTW: you have an example of a such script.06:01
rambo3!uuid |ace06:02
greyman_I am using SATA disks06:02
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acegreyman_: i just let it install and it worked because it used UUIDs i didn't use raid, so the problem was avoided06:02
ubotuace: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)06:02
darxstevedm: ok.. did you try all the settings06:02
darxin network manager?06:02
darxthat was the last resort06:02
darxif nothing works06:02
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Poul^Laptopexlt, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14217/06:03
jimmy_anyone feel like helping me get compiz to work again?06:03
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stevedmdarx: I went in all config and there was no options that relates to that. My config was right in these menus.06:03
jimmy_when i click enable desktop effects, it now says unable06:03
exltPoul^Laptop: drop the trailing slash on the share name - x.x.x.x/Ny\ mappe06:04
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acegreyman_: see how the installer wrote sda instad of hda in the comments in fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14218/06:04
stevedmdarx: I hesitated to raise as a bug because I don't want to make these guys waste time but not it seems it's a real issue.06:04
Hidanright... 13 mins left...06:04
darxstevedm: i'm right now in xubuntu.. so i don't know the menu options for ubuntu.. however, i can suggest some alternatives..06:04
Poul^Laptopexlt, now when its mountet, then what, i just go look in the the folderi mountet it to?=06:04
acemaybe mine worked because uuids were used, maybe with raid and sata and the problem really shows?06:04
exltPoul^Laptop: ls -l /mnt/point  :)06:05
greyman_get blkid not found06:05
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darxstevedm: when you reboot next time, ifup the interface you are having trouble with..06:05
greyman_do I need to boot from a cd and start a rescue06:05
stevedmdarx: like what? I'm fine for clicking the button but Joe NewUser will be confused. Linux needs to be as easy  as possible.06:05
darxstevedm: just a sec.. i'll guide you..06:06
Poul^Laptopexlt, should i do anything to unmount it again when i am done?06:06
acestevedm: funny you say that because NewUser was just in here a moment ago06:06
exltPoul^Laptop: umount /mnt/point06:06
darxstevedm: i'm not in ubuntu.. so i can give you an overview of how things are so next time you'll be more informed ok..06:06
stevedmace: oops didn't meant to finger point :-)06:06
Poul^Laptopdo i need to unmount first, or can i just mount to the same place with another host?06:06
stevedmdarx: ok thanks.06:06
darxstevedm: would you like me to explain?06:06
darxok06:07
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exltPoul^Laptop: you should be able to mount the share on multiple hosts - it is a file server  ;)06:07
Poul^Laptopexlt, thx06:07
darxstevedm: you can find your active interface by using the command ifconfig06:07
stevedmdarx: if it's quick yes else I prefer to raise a bug. Again, I'm chasing this issue mostly for it to be easy for new user.06:07
stevedmdarx: ok for ifconfig06:07
darxyou'll find something like eth0 and lo06:08
stevedmdarx: ok mine is eth006:08
greyman_do we still have to use alternate install for systems we want to set up a software raid06:08
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stevedmdarx: the setup of the interface is ok. It's just that the connection is not ON by default.06:08
shirishanybody a good gtk+ editor unlike gedit which consumes lot of  resources06:09
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darxstevedm: lemme finish..06:09
Toma-shirish: mousepad06:09
shirish!info mousepad06:09
aceupdating packages is taking longer than the download??????06:09
ubotumousepad: simple Xfce oriented text editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.12-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 652 kB06:09
stevedmdarx: ok06:09
darxstevedm: next time you reboot, try sudo ifup eth0 --force06:09
aceanyone had that?06:09
darxif that works06:09
stevedmdarx: ok06:09
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darxall you have to do is put that command in rc.local file06:10
shirishToma-: it is xfce based, I am looking for more gnome-based thing, dont want to pull more libraries then already have06:10
Poul^Laptopexlt, one last thing :) why cant i just mount all which are shared on a host x.x.x.x  instead of having to mount x.x.x.x/folder1  x.x.x.x/folder206:10
darxthat is the script file that gets executed at the beginning of every session06:10
Toma-shirish: pretty sure its independant from xfce (afaik) do you know what it depends on?06:10
shirishToma:- nope have not seen that as of yet06:11
stevedmdarx: that's it?06:11
Toma-shirish: ahh nm, needs some xfce stuff, not much tho06:11
shirishI really hope that this Click n run comes soon, it will make things easier to look around06:12
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darxstevedm: thats it.. now you learned that you can run scripts at startup in addition to how to enable your network interface.. now you might be having a bug or a misconfiguration. but this way you can make sure your interface runs06:12
stevedmdarx: I don't have that on bu Dapper and my interface is up at bootup?06:12
Lucifielggeez X froze at least 3 times in the last 5 mins... pfftt.06:12
greyman_Is there anyway to install a system with software raid other than alternate06:12
darxstevedm: true that might be a bug or a misconfiguration.. but this is one of the workarounds..06:13
darxsince i'm not on ubuntu, i cant help you with the ui based configs06:13
greyman_or a way to fix a system when it is trying its first boot after install06:13
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darxstevedm: and the file is /etc/init.d/rc.local06:14
darxopen it with root privilages06:14
exltPoul^Laptop: the file server is configured as separate shares06:14
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stevedmdarx: thanks. Do you know what I can compare between my Dapper and Feisty so that I can see where is the problem to help debugging this pb. I already look in /etc/network/interfaces and my eth0 was configure so I couldn't understand why it was not up by default.06:14
stevedmdarx: is there another network file to tell which one to enable by default?06:15
Poul^Laptopexlt, ye i figured. But that means its not posible to mount all shares fround on a host.06:15
Poul^LaptopGuess i could write a script for that :P06:15
exltscript it..06:15
darxstevedm: there is network startup scripts, but those may confuse normal people like you and me06:15
Poul^Laptopyou dont happen to have such script laying around :)06:16
stevedmdarx: and which startup script are you think?06:16
stevedmthinking?06:17
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exltPoul^Laptop: just #!/bin/sh at the top, throw all your mount commands in it, and put it in /usr/local/bin  - that is exactly how I have a bunch of nfs and smb mounts for work - I do not put them in fstab, because I am not always in the office06:17
exltPoul^Laptop: then I just 'sudo mount_netfs' because it is in my path06:18
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exltPoul^Laptop: my script is at /usr/local/bin/mount_netfs to clarify that06:19
Poul^Laptopgood idea ;) thx. I am just get a project from a friend over hamachi. But i got the share mountet now i am to get. But if i mount 2 shares to same mount point, i can only see the one i mountet last.06:19
darxstevedm: /etc/rc.d/networking06:19
Poul^Laptopye exlt, did understand it when you said it first :)06:19
darxdon't mess around with it unless you have a back up06:19
dissonansI have two networking interfaces, eth0 and eth1 of which I am only using eth1, how can I make the networking init script ignore eth0?06:20
stevedmdo you know why it's not invoked in /etc/rc2.d ? I don't see S??networking.06:20
exltPoul^Laptop: you have to mount them to separate mount points - they are probably both still mounted if you run 'mount' but you only see one filesystem - I have /mnt/netfs/mountpt1, /mnt/netfs/mountpt2, /mnt/netfs/mountpt3, etc.06:21
Poul^Laptopexlt. But now, i can just cp /mount/point/ ~/download    to get all the content in the share?06:21
stevedmdarx: must be called by another script?06:21
Poul^Laptopexlt, ok06:21
darxstevedm: you might also want to raise a bug if you are positive that you are having a bug06:22
stevedmdarx: I'll do that06:22
darxbut you can work around it06:22
darxfor the time being06:22
stevedmdarx: the time window is closing. I think feisty is for a release in april. They should do another beta before final06:22
darxjust be positive that youve tried all the gui options06:23
Poul^Laptopexlt, thatsd with the -r agument. But now its copying. anyway to see the status, how fast its downloadig and when its done?06:23
dissonanslet me rephrase: how can I disable network interfaces in Ubuntu via the command line?06:23
CarlFKdissonans: ifconfig eth0 down06:24
darxstevedm:i just uninstalled ubuntu for xubuntu.. and i'm sorry i cant guide you straightforward06:24
stevedmdarx: I'll do. Which package should be flagged? netbase?06:24
dissonansCarlFK: on a permanent basis, so that the networking doesn't try to get a dhcp lease for it06:24
stevedmdarx: netbase contains /etc/init.d/networking06:24
dissonansthe networking init script06:24
exltPoul^Laptop: you could use 'cp -av /source/* ~/targetdir/' to see keep timestamps, permissions, etc. (-a) and progress (-v)06:25
CarlFKdissonans: edit  /etc/network/interfaces06:25
darxstevedm: network manager would be more appropriate I guess06:25
darxi'm not sure though06:25
dissonansCarlFK: thanks06:25
CarlFKdissonans: er, that will deal with the boot scripts - is that what you wnat?06:26
dissonansyes06:26
stevedm<dissonans>: sudo ifdown eth0  (assuming eth0 is your interface)06:26
exltPoul^Laptop: better yet, look at rsync  ;)06:26
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Poul^Laptopexlt, no timestamps tho but, ye showing the file its cp06:26
Poul^Laptopexlt, rsync+06:26
Poul^Laptop?06:26
stevedmdarx: thanks very much. Have a great day06:26
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dissonansok, now the network comes up way faster thanks06:28
dissonansis there a known issue with opera in later iterations of feisty btw?06:28
darxstevedm: you too...hope i helped.. :)06:29
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aceHi all06:29
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dissonansit won't work for me since a couple of days, it aborts almost immediately06:29
dissonansdumps core06:29
Toma-whats the deal with nvidia drivers in feisty?06:33
greyman_how do you correct mdadm error on boot if you can not get to the file system06:36
greyman_talking about bug 83231206:36
greyman_err 8323106:36
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Sp3nc3having issue getting xorg running the nvidia driver.06:39
Sp3nc3(not the nv driver, nvidia driver)06:39
gopI am getting error 15 file not found in grub06:40
gopknow that I booted with grub cd06:40
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gopbilly where the auto fix06:44
RonnyAtHomeHi06:44
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stevedmdarx: Are you there?06:51
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darxstevedm: yup06:52
stevedmdarx: seems someone reported the problem; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/9409506:52
ubotuMalone bug 94095 in network-manager "Ethernet interface not configured at boot time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:52
darxstevedm: ah.. go for the workaround then..06:53
stevedmdarx: thanks have a good day06:53
darxtry ifup eth0 --force.. if that works06:53
slackernohh deluge 5.x was nice, hope it gets into feisty06:53
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darxadd that to the rc.local script06:54
darxmight wanna read some basic shell scripting06:54
darxbest of luck06:54
CarlFKtrying to install feisty alternate in a qemu VM - it can't find any drives - installer's dmesg shows "ide0: I/O resource 0x3F6-0x3F6 not free. ... ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe" - anyone know what is going on?06:55
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stevedmdarx: thanks I'll try that some time tommorow06:58
darxstevedm: no problems and happy hacking.. ;)06:59
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enycCarlFK: thats oddd... erm.. does it work in other verison of qemu ? do other ubuntu versions work?07:01
CarlFKhaven't tired07:02
guillem101feisty stops a while during booting at "configuring network interfaces" (about 40 secs). Is it normal?07:02
enycCarlFK: I know there were known problems with some feisty testing version...07:02
enycCarlFK: (and some PATA controller )07:03
CarlFKI'll try.. um.. edgy07:03
enycCarlFK: try booting knoppix iso -- edgy live  as well etc...07:03
CarlFKis that the current stable - I get confused..07:03
enycCarlFK: see if you can narrow down the failure circumstances more specfifcally07:03
enycCarlFK: well Dapper = Long Term Support 'stable' ,   edgy = most recent stable, but actually somewhat problematic for some things07:04
enycCarlFK: feisty should be good ;-)07:04
jimmy_anyone feel like helping me get compiz to work again?07:04
jimmy_when i click enable desktop effects, it now says unable07:04
CarlFKenyc: know anyting about qemu and -boot n ? (pxe boot)07:05
enycCarlFK: unfortunately not07:05
enycjimmy_: I cant get it to work at all .. lol07:06
peciskjimmy_: do glxinfo | grep Direct07:06
peciskjimmy_: on console07:06
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peciskThere was compiz updates yesterday, something maybe is broken07:07
jimmy_pecisk, nothing happened07:09
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[miles] good afternoon guys07:09
peciskjimmy_: what video card do you have07:09
jimmy_pecisk, its a laptop, onboard radeon 7500 mobility07:10
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jimmy_it worked fine when i first installed feisty beta, then the cube stopped working, now it just doesnt start07:10
Poul^Laptopposible to add som parameter to the cp command to get a startus like speed of copying?07:10
[miles] does anyone have this sound card on their laptops please? 00:14.2 Audio device [0403] : ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia [1002:4383] 07:10
asad2005how to add /dev/ttyS4 ?07:10
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pecisk[miles] : I have ATI onboard, but on desktop computer07:11
pecisk[miles] : which ALSA driver it uses07:12
[miles] hello pecisk07:12
stefgPoul^Laptop: if you use mc, you'll get stat's while doing (lengthy) copy-operations07:12
peciskjimmy_: glxgears gives you soemthing?07:12
pecisk[miles] : hello07:12
pecisk:)07:12
jimmy_pecisk, yes but a bit choppy07:12
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[miles] pecisk: is it the pecisk it's the same device ID?07:12
Poul^Laptopstefg,  hmm mc?07:12
jimmy_oh no wait 2500 fps07:12
stefg!info mc07:12
peciskjimmy_: it seems binary driver get lost or somethin07:12
jimmy_it just looked choppy07:12
ubotumc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB07:13
pecisk[miles] : wait let me check07:13
[miles] thank you07:13
jimmy_jimmy@jimmy-laptop:~$ glxgears07:13
jimmy_11865 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2372.012 FPS07:13
jimmy_28703 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5740.281 FPS07:13
jimmy_3169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 631.911 FPS07:13
jimmy_XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"07:13
jimmy_      after 88698 requests (84825 known processed) with 0 events remaining.07:13
peciskjimmy_: first check If you really have fglrx driver up and running07:13
jimmy_pecisk, how do i do that?07:13
stefgPoul^Laptop: a Norton commander clone for the console... every household needs at least one :-)07:13
jimmy_pecisk, theres nothing in restricted drivers, only my wifi07:13
peciskjimmy_: do again glxinfo | grep direct07:14
Poul^Laptopstefg, sorry i dont understand any of that. you want me to cp -mv?07:14
jimmy_pecisk, direct rendering : no07:14
stefgPoul^Laptop: No, i want you to use a file-manager for the console07:15
Poul^Laptopok07:15
pecisk[miles] : seems similar 0000:00:14.2 0403: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 437b (rev 01)07:15
Poul^Laptopstefg, i need to install that then?07:15
[miles] pecisk: is it working?07:16
peciskjimmy_: "lsmod | grep radeon" gives you something?07:16
pecisk[miles] : perfectly07:16
[miles] pecisk: can you gimme the lspci -nn07:16
jimmy_pecisk, jimmy@jimmy-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep radeon07:16
jimmy_radeon                124576  207:16
jimmy_drm                    81044  3 radeon07:16
[miles] pecisk: for it please07:16
stefg!info mc07:16
ubotumc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-6ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB07:16
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pecisk[miles] : http://pastebin.ca/42714007:17
peciskjimmy_: it uses radeon, so question is, why no acceleration for you.07:17
jimmy_?07:18
jimmy_im too new to linux to know :)07:18
peciskjimmy_: maybe there have been changes for Compiz + radeon driver, because my card have been opposite after last update - it FINALLY works with Compiz07:18
peciskjimmy_: I understand07:18
stefgPoul^Laptop: if you have universe enabled it's just sudo apt-get install mc07:18
[miles] pecisk: nah it's not the same07:18
peciskjimmy_: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on http://pastebin.ca?07:19
[miles] pecisk: that explains why it is working ;-)07:19
jimmy_pecisk, sure07:19
[miles] bbiam, smoke07:19
Poul^Laptopstefg, and then after that i will see status on the cp when using it?07:19
pecisk[miles] : it has been choky sound all the time or just now?07:19
jimmy_pecisk, i think i found the problem, its empty07:19
[miles] pecisk: I have no sound07:19
scoatesanyone have any idea if it's possible to answer Windows Remote Assistance requests (.msrcincident) from ubuntu? rdp almost works, but it uses some weird encrypted ticket system..07:19
peciskjimmy_: o_O07:19
stefgPoul^Laptop: not when using cp directly, but when copying with mc07:19
peciskjimmy_: it's autoconfiguring07:20
peciskdamn07:20
Poul^Laptopstefg07:20
finalbetawhere's the firefox plugins dir?07:20
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jimmy_awesome07:20
peciskjimmy_: please do ls -lah /etc/X11 and paste result in pastebin.ca07:20
Poul^Laptopstefg, it just opened the file in terminal and showed alot of wired signs07:21
Poul^Laptopstefg, think i got it opend right now07:22
jimmy_http://pastebin.ca/42714907:22
shirishanybody had any updates recently?07:22
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shirishI have not got any updates from last 10-12 hrs. or so07:22
Poul^Laptopstefg, how do i use the "menu" 5copy then?07:23
whombathi  @ all07:23
peciskjimmy_: please pastebin.ca /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ which is backup file for your configuration07:23
peciskand yes, you have no configuration file active for now07:23
peciskwhich is totally strange and nutts07:23
pecisk:)07:23
jimmy_pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/42717107:24
peciskjimmy_: do "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf~ /etc/X11/X11/xorg.conf" and do restart07:25
peciskjimmy_: in this file everything is in right place07:25
peciskjimmy_: maybe it is possible that you or some update deleted conf file, not sure07:26
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jimmy_ok i just copied xorg.conf to xorg.conf07:26
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jimmy_here goes a reboot, brb, if i cont come back, x exploded and itll take me a while, thanks again07:27
Poul^Laptopstefg, can i mark more then one file to copy at a time+07:29
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finalbetawhere's the firefox plugins dir?07:30
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uddI have sound regression from edgy to feisty :/ ati onboard sound (toshiba laptop), no sound at all, where to begin debugging?07:32
slackernPoul^Laptop, in mc you mean? i belive it's with "insert"-key07:32
shirishguys are there any IDE hdd users out here?07:33
Poul^Laptopslackern, yes in mc07:33
nerdygirl_ellieShirish:  Me.07:33
slackernPoul^Laptop: then mark files with "insert"-key and then use F5 to copy etc07:34
Poul^Laptopslackern,  i just tolk one at the time and but it to background07:34
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jimmy_pecisk, x broke07:34
slackernPoul^Laptop, i guess that works too also :)07:34
jimmy_pecisk, i did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh something or other07:34
jimmy_pecisk, but im back to square one07:34
peciskheh07:34
shirishnerdygirl_ellie: can u look up this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/9669307:34
ubotuMalone bug 96693 in linux-source-2.6.20 "poor performance hard disk IDE" [Medium,Fix committed] 07:34
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Poul^Laptopslackern, know if its posible to see backgrounds processes?07:35
jimmy_maybe itll just be faster to reinstall ubuntu07:35
shirishnerdygirl_ellie: and see how your box performs on that, if it is also slow, just append to the ongoing discussion, thank you.07:35
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slackernPoul^Laptop,  control-x-j07:35
peciskjimmy_: ok, I will need /var/log/Xorg.log (there was some numbers or letters, so check it out first with ls -lah /var/log)07:35
shirishjimmy_: what is your issue?07:35
slackernPoul^Laptop, or i should say control+x then j07:36
peciskshirish: he has no direct acceleration, and before that his Xorg was on autoconfigure, as xorg.conf was missing07:36
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Poul^Laptopslackern, ok - only problem i got atm is that some of the shortcuts are overwritten from the beryl shortvuts ect or the terminal shortcuts07:36
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gophi07:36
gopwhy are my ide hd saying /dev/sdc107:36
slackernPoul^Laptop, ahh maybe F9 for menu, then go to commands and scroll down to background jobs07:36
Poul^Laptopslackern, is there a way to put one to the baground aswell?07:37
Poul^Laptopslackern, cant use F9 ect :P07:37
knw_hi I'm having a problem getting my ntfs partitions to mount07:37
slackernoh not sure to be honest =/07:37
shirishgop: tht is slave master, did u put it to work in slave master mode07:37
Poul^Laptopslackern, ok07:37
knw_they get detected07:37
slackernI've barely ever used those background job things07:37
jimmy_http://pastebin.ca/42719507:37
knw_!ntfu07:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ntfu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:37
knw_!ntfs07:37
gopwell yea07:37
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse07:37
jimmy_thats xorg.0.log07:38
gopbut it used to be /dev/hda07:38
gopnot /sda07:38
shirishgop: that is name change07:38
gopdid fiesty change the name of device07:38
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shirish!libata07:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:38
shirish@libata07:38
Poul^Laptopslackerns i just found out some wired stuff :P if i cp one file its at 500kb/s. but if i baground 1 and make a new cp it do the cp with 500kb/s on both :)07:38
udd!alsa07:38
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP307:38
shirishgop: there is a page on the wiki about libata done by Alan Cox lemme hunt it for u07:39
peciskjimmy_: strange, looks like it is right driver, but something not working there, will take a closer look07:39
gopk07:39
shirishgop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks07:40
peciskjimmy_: what did actually X said after reboot?07:40
gopoh07:40
shirishpecisk: what hardware does he have or integrated?07:40
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jimmy_pecisk, just couldnt start, then it asked if i wanted to know why07:40
jimmy_but other than that i was lost07:40
gopshirish second question in rescue mode how do I resuce grub07:40
peciskjimmy_: ok, that was usuall X "I can't start for some reason" dialog07:41
peciskhmmmm07:41
shirishgop: I know it can be done, in fact have done it sometime back but now its lost07:41
gopis that the bestway07:41
gopto fix error 807:41
shirishgop: I meant I went through this something like a yr. back but now cannot remember07:42
shirishwhat I did to fix it07:42
gopahh07:42
shirishgop: just a user here07:42
peciskjimmy_: seems like something very fishy with permissions07:43
shirish@now london07:43
ubotuCurrent time in Europe/London: April 06 2007, 18:43:23 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days07:43
CarinArrjimmy_: could you !pastebin your  /var/log/Xorg.0.log?07:44
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peciskCarinArr: he already did it for me http://pastebin.ca/42719507:44
leafwI have just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty and I don't have a laptop battery icon on the systray. Anybody knows which app is actually running it?07:44
aaroncampbellWell, I had to reboot just a few minutes ago, and now my nVidia drivers aren't working (Kubuntu 7.04).  I get: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!    (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***         (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.07:45
goperror 8 kernel must be loaded before booting shirish  is the error I get07:45
jimmy_CarinArr,  http://pastebin.ca/42719507:45
shirishgop: that means somehow u lost your kernel07:45
gopyea hmm07:45
shirishgop: kernel is what drives the whole thing07:45
slackernleafw, If you rightclick the gnomepanel and choose Add to panel there should be a Battery charge monitor there  that you can select07:45
gopstrange this was a upgrade -d of edgyto fiesty07:45
CarinArrjimmy_: do you have a wacom?07:46
leafwslackern : I did look there, and there isn't. Something went wrong with the upgrade I guess07:46
shirishgop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computer_science%2907:46
gopsure07:46
gopI understand it07:46
gop:)07:46
CarinArraaroncampbell: how did you install the nvidia drivers?07:46
aaroncampbelladept07:46
aaroncampbellThey've been working for a while now07:47
CarinArraaroncampbell: i take it you've tried reinstalling the nvidia-glx package?07:47
gopis thier anyway I can fix this07:47
shirishgop: better look on launchpad if somebody has filed a bug for this or not, if not please file it, as it is critical07:47
slackernleafw, ahh hmm i did an upgrade myself but i don't have a laptop but i got that choice there, something must have gone wrong somewhere as you said i guess :)07:47
shirishaaroncampbell: there was an update to adept couple of hrs. before07:47
aaroncampbellCarinArr: yeah, when It had problems, I switched back to nv, and then tried to reinstall...same problem.07:47
hanzzhi :) i have one interface for connection to the internet and one for LAN connection... a i want to have these two internfaces "up" at once... can it be done with knetworkmanager?07:48
bur[n] eranyone around know if gparted is going to make a reappearance on the feisty livecd?07:48
shirishgop !launchpad07:48
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shirishbur[n] er: dont think so :(07:48
shirish!info launchpad07:48
leafwslackern : I did like 3 dist-upgrades ... everything looked fine. TOday there is another big update as well07:48
bur[n] ershirish: anything else comparable?  that'd be crap07:48
ubotuPackage launchpad does not exist in feisty07:48
leafwlike 226 Mb puoring in now07:48
slackernleafw, the applet is named battstat07:48
leafwthanks slackern07:49
shirishbur[n] er: first of all can u change ur name to something else07:49
leafwyeah not installed07:49
CarinArraaroncampbell: not sure.. i haven't really been using packaged nvidia drivers for a long time07:49
slackernwas looking all over the place for it then i realized i could just start it and see the name :p07:49
shirishbur[n] er: secondly there is parted, QTparted  atleast two partitioners I know which are equally good07:49
leafwwhen it's too obvious,  well :)07:49
slackern/usr/lib/gnome-applets/battstat-applet-207:49
slackernbut not sure how to start it correctly though =/07:50
shirish@launchpad07:50
leafwI used gnome in edgy, but now in fesity metacity fails to show window decorations at all07:50
CarinArraaroncampbell: for those sort of reasons originaly on dapper;)07:50
leafwso I'm in kde now temporarily07:50
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leafwI bet the applet it's different in kde07:50
jimmy_CarinArr, whats a wacom ?07:50
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sobersabrehi07:50
sacaterhey all, how do i go about disabling the feisty framebuffer07:50
shirishjimmy_: that is for tablet PC07:50
sobersabreis it possible to upgrade to 7.04 via "package-manager" ?07:51
sacatersobersabre: nope07:51
CarinArrjimmy_: you're getting xserver errors because there is no /dev/input/wacom.. if you don't have a wacom pen, i'd comment out that device in your xorg.conf07:51
jimmy_ahh then i dont have one, but my laptop has a touchpad07:51
sobersabreand via apt-get dist-upgrade ?07:51
sobersabresacater, ?07:51
CarinArranyhow.. need to go07:51
CarinArrinstalling new router07:51
CarinArrta ra07:51
shirishsobersabre: u can point the sources to feisty & do dist-upgrade07:51
sobersabreCarinArr, good luck..07:51
jimmy_the wacom tablet is blocking my 3d driver?07:51
gopstrange this was a upgrade -d of edgyto fiesty err how do I fix this07:51
jimmy_im so lost its amazing07:51
sobersabreshirish, any special problems with that ?07:51
goperror 8 kernel not loaded07:52
sobersabregop, nice...07:52
sobersabre:)07:52
goperror 8 kernel must be loaded before booting shirish  is the error I get07:52
sobersabrewhy do you need this kernel anyway ? :)07:52
gopsobersabre:  any fix I see the kernel is in /boot07:52
gopyea why sure07:52
gopI do07:52
gopas much as nt needs the ntkernel07:52
sacatersobersabre: erm, yes, run as root that should do it07:52
shirishsobersabre: gop just lost his kernel or rather kernel -bindings while upgrading it seems07:53
sobersabresacater, ok, thanks... i'll turn off the X just in case..07:53
sacatersobersabre: wise :P07:53
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sobersabreaged aged man...07:53
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gopit boots me in to the grub shell07:54
sobersabrehmmm... is beryl already supporting feisty ?07:54
sobersabregop, it either doesn't recognize the partition ( file table )07:55
shirishdid anyone get mpd (0.12.2-2ubuntu2) as part of any of the updates?07:55
sobersabreor the index written is wrong.07:55
gopif index is wrong what is soultion07:55
sobersabregop, ... editing the index :)07:55
sobersabreon boot07:55
sobersabrego to edit ( 'e' )07:55
sobersabreand choose the right one.07:55
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shirishsobersabre: are u telling him to edit grub & point to right kernel07:56
nerdygirl_ellie aaroncampbell:  Hi07:56
nerdygirl_ellie aaroncampbell: I had the same thing.07:56
aaroncampbelldid you find a fix?07:56
sobersabreshirish, I am telling him to specify the correct data.07:56
nerdygirl_ellie aaroncampbell:  Do you have the linux-restricted-modules nvidia driver?07:56
sobersabrewherever it is.07:56
aaroncampbellyes07:57
nerdygirl_ellieaaron:  ok. I have a fix.07:57
shirishsobersabre: I thought he had lost it, but even this for noobs would be pretty tricky07:57
sobersabreguys, is beryl already inside feisty ?07:57
nerdygirl_ellieAARONCAMPBELL:  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic07:58
sobersabreshirish, he's pretty much got no other choice... unless he wants to reinstall.07:58
shirishsobersabre: I did see some beryl updates sometime back07:58
shirishsobersabre: true07:58
sobersabreshirish, are you on feisty ?07:58
nerdygirl_elliesober:  Compiz is, and it is mostly the same.07:58
shirishsobersabre: yup07:58
sobersabrenerdygirl_ellie, unless you don't own nvidia laptop...07:58
sobersabreshirish, do you have beryl-project's sources or ... only feistyish ?07:58
sobersabrenerdygirl_ellie, afair, compiz doesn't support intel cards....07:59
shirishsobersabre: I read the updates which comes it had them, I have integrated graphics so do not think I have installed them07:59
sobersabreshirish, if you ... can you apt-cache search beryl ?07:59
sobersabreand tell me if you find it ?07:59
sobersabreI mean... I did setup it... it'd be a shame to lose this nicey thing.08:00
shirishsobersabre: was already doing that : beryl-core Version: 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu208:00
peciskjimmy_: I suggest you to comment out those options after Device "radeon" row08:00
sobersabreok.08:00
peciskjimmy_: with #08:00
sobersabreso it is in feisty stock repoz.08:00
sobersabrenice.08:00
shirishsobersabre: it is in universe08:00
sobersabregreat/08:01
jimmy_pecisk, ok08:01
shirishsobersabre: nope not mains, but universe08:01
sobersabreof course universe, what else.08:01
sobersabre?08:01
sobersabre:)08:01
shirishsobersabre: there is going to be another update sometime soon08:01
sobersabreno shite :)08:01
nerdygirl_ellieOT:  I read that Beryl and Compiz are going to remerge.  Very cool.08:02
jimmy_pecisk, wait, what am i commenting out :) ?08:02
sobersabrethere will probably be update on daily basis.08:02
sobersabrenerdygirl_ellie, indeed.08:02
nerdygirl_ellie... so you won't have to go out and buy an Nvidia laptop like me. :D08:02
jimmy_pecisk, the wacom stuff, or the monitor section which after radeon08:02
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wizardcrimsun: hey you there?08:02
sacateris anyone here having trouble with the nvidia geforce 4 card, or having general xserver troubles and or framebuffer, if so please go to #sacater i need big talk, i will be there in a few minutes08:03
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anti_popmy kde freezes when im heavily downloading08:03
anti_pophow can i check if thats a problem of my HD / ram or a BUG ?08:03
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wizardanti_pop: off topic but i wish my gf could do that08:03
shirishnerdygirl_ellie: I have also read that, if both merge it would be cool for the community as a whole08:03
anti_popdo some weed08:03
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anti_pop/jon #kubuntu08:04
shirishthat should be (/join #kubuntu)08:05
shirishhas anybody updated recently?08:06
shirishlike in the last 30 mins - 1 hr.08:06
sinehi there! i'm quite new to ubuntu(edgy), anyway i learned quite fast, that for me as a music enthusiast, that i need a kernel with realtime-preemption... now i wanted to install feisty, but after localization settings the installer is not working.. when it comes to manual repartitioning, "ubiquity" crashes08:06
shirishsine: using alternate or live cd?08:07
gnomefreaksine: edgy support is in #ubuntu08:07
sinelive08:07
gnomefreakah nvm08:07
sinegnomefreak: they send me here :)08:07
slackern!beryl08:08
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects08:08
gnomefreaksine: because you are installing feisty08:08
sinek08:08
gnomefreaksine: why not just upgrade to feisty?08:08
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sinebecause its beta, i wanted to keep my working old system.. new partition seemed to be the best way08:09
ant_ipopheres is my syslog, can someone check why my system freezes when im downloading ?? http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/8971/08:09
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sineand i read of some troubles with dist-upgrade08:09
gnomefreaksine: i suggest you use alternate cd if the livecd isnt aptitioning again08:09
shirishnerdygirl_ellie: are u still here?08:09
gnomefreakpartitioning08:10
sinenow im stuck :/08:10
shirishsine: the alternate CD is much more robust ( for lack of better word)08:10
sinek ill try that first.. thanks08:10
shirishgnomefreak: have u been able to update anything today?08:11
sineis it difficult to use?08:11
gnomefreakshirish: i havent tried but you wont see alot of updates anymore08:11
shirishgnomefreak: I am not seeing them, there is supposed to be another kernel coming up shortly which is supposedly going to fix IDE stuff08:12
sineand by the way, is it possible to automatically upgrade from feisty beta to final, when its released?08:12
gnomefreakshirish: you mean -14?08:12
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shirishgnomefreak: we are already on 14 (2) there is supposed to be another or is the kernel freeze today?08:13
sacatergnomefreak: no help for me here :(08:13
aaroncampbellnerdygirl_ellie: A great big "THANK YOU" for helping with my latest nVidia issue.  I didn't have to mess with it hardly at all.  I really appreciate it08:13
gnomefreakshirish: it may take a while 3-4 days for kernel updates (normally 3-4 days after they finish it)08:13
Kaplan_i'm still having nvidia trouble08:14
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nerdygirl_elliewhat kind of trouble kaplan?08:14
aaroncampbellKaplan_: what kind of problems08:14
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nerdygirl_ellieaaron:  it will auto update properly now.08:14
nerdygirl_ellie:)08:14
Kaplan_i upgraded to feisty from an edgy installation08:14
aaroncampbellthanks08:14
Kaplan_everything went fine08:14
shirishgnomefreak: did u get an openoffice upgrade openoffice.org 2.2.0-1ubuntu2  by any chance?08:15
sacaterKaplan_: what kind08:15
gnomefreak2.2.0-0ubuntu208:15
Kaplan_but my x server was broken when i rebooted, i08:15
gnomefreakshirish: i havent had a chance to do updates in 2 days08:15
sacaterKaplan_: oooh, slightly similar to me08:15
nerdygirl_ellieKaplan_:  You need the same fix Aaron did, ' sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic'08:15
sacatergnomefreak: why are the geforce 4 series cards so hard to get working08:16
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gnomefreaksacater: you dont have a geforce4 card08:16
Kaplan_i have that installed already08:16
sacatergnomefreak: then what?08:16
gnomefreaksacater: nvidia-glx no longer supports them08:16
nerdygirl_elliekaplan:  and nvidia-glx?08:16
sacatergnomefreak: oh, but legacy does?08:16
gnomefreaksacater: yours is just one of those cards08:16
Kaplan_nope, a nvidia 620008:16
sacaterKaplan_: same as me!08:16
gnomefreakKaplan_: join sacater08:16
Kaplan_i had to install the driver manually08:16
gnomefreaksacater: Kaplan_ try in #ubuntu-effects08:17
sacaterk08:17
gnomefreakor wait until someone knows. make suire you give tham the card up front08:17
sacaterhes not in there08:17
gnomefreakwhos not in there?08:17
gnomefreaksacater and Kaplan_ try in #ubuntu-effects08:18
shirishgnomefreak: is that the latest after all the updates?08:18
sacaterKaplan_: #sacater08:18
gnomefreakshirish: i havent done them in 2 days08:18
sacaterjoin it08:18
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nerdygirl_elliegnomefreak: can you give me the short version of what the deal on those?  I know about nvidia/nvidia-glx.  what else is going on?08:18
sacaternerdygirl_ellie: same as me and kaplan!08:19
gnomefreaknerdygirl_ellie: nvidia-glx stopped support on geforce4 cards08:19
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gnomefreak6xxx and 7xxx cards have always been a pain to get running (dont know never looked that far into one to find out why)08:19
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nerdygirl_ellieGnome:  are they fairly popular cards?08:20
gnomefreakthey are newer cards08:21
gnomefreakthey are expensive cards08:21
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gnomefreak!fonts | ScreaminIke08:22
ubotuScreaminIke: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer08:22
Stormx2oooh08:22
Stormx2What am I thinking?08:22
gnomefreakthe files are there :) read please08:22
ScreaminIkeso... did an upgrade to feisty from edgy... and al my system fonts died. everything is being dislpayed as null characters08:22
Ximalhey guys..08:22
Ximali need help installing a dvd player for this ubuntu08:22
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gnomefreakScreaminIke: read above08:22
Ximali downloaded vlc but can't figure out how to run it as a program08:22
Stormx2Ximal: wxvlc I think08:22
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ScreaminIkeuhm... i mean ALL my fonts08:23
Ximalximal@ximal-tower:~$ wxvlc08:23
Ximalbash: wxvlc: command not found08:23
Death_SargentI made a cedega game folder and for some reason every time i try to open the folder in nautilus it crashes.08:23
Death_SargentThe strange thing is the sub folders can be navigated. It seems that just the root folder is the problem.08:23
Death_SargentI'm using feisty fawn but made the folder while using edgy08:23
Ximalstorm : ximal@ximal-tower:~$ wxvlc08:23
Ximalbash: wxvlc: command not found08:23
ScreaminIkedropdown menu is a series of boxes. no lettering.08:23
Stormx2Ximal: have you installed it?08:23
shirishhttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greguti.com%2Fpetitlinux%2Findex.php%3Fentry%3Dentry070406-005703&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF808:23
Ximalnot yet.. dunno how08:23
shirish a good review of Ubuntu 7.0408:23
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shirishbeta08:23
Death_SargentI made a cedega game folder and for some reason every time i try to open the folder in nautilus it crashes.08:23
Death_SargentThe strange thing is the sub folders can be navigated. It seems that just the root folder is the problem.08:23
Death_SargentI'm using feisty fawn but made the folder while using edgy08:23
gnomefreakScreaminIke: restart08:23
Stormx2Ximal: Does "vlc" not work?08:24
gnomefreakScreaminIke: make sure all upgrades are done first08:24
Stormx2Ximal: Have you installed from the repos?08:24
Ximali haven't installed it yet08:24
ScreaminIkeit happened on restart08:24
gnomefreakScreaminIke: make sure nothing failed and restart08:24
Ximali just downloaded the tar.gz file08:24
Ximalit's my first time to install something on linux in years.. everything else i've used rpm and batch installs etc08:24
Stormx2ScreaminIke: Try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <-- maybe some stuff didn't get upgraded08:24
Stormx2Ximal: Ah08:24
gnomefreakScreaminIke: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  if no upgrades reboot08:24
Stormx2Ximal: You need to use synaptic / apt08:24
Ximalis that WHAT i need to put in terminal ?08:25
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Stormx2Ximal: Do this: "sudo apt-get install vlc"08:25
Stormx2Ximal: Or, go to System > Administration > Synaptic08:25
gnomefreakwithout the " :)08:25
Stormx2AH yes.08:25
Ximalwow that sudo command is powerful08:26
Ximalbrb08:26
Ximalit's working on installing now08:26
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xtknightwow Feisty is blazingly fast08:26
xtknight30 firefox windows close almost instantaneously here.  used to take like a minute w/ freezing on Edgy/prior versions08:27
Stormx2killall firefox-bin08:27
Stormx2xD08:27
Ximalheh.. it's installing all the codecs i need08:27
xtknight:P08:27
Ximalsee i WAS using the basic movie player and it crashed everytime i used a legally purchased dvd08:27
Poul^Laptopanyway, to see total up and down stream?08:27
xtknightStormx2, too hard.   remember, i'm grandma.08:27
Poul^Laptopon the network that is08:27
Stormx2Ximal: Use sudo carefully, only use it when needed.08:27
NewUserWhen i try to open  Network tab.. in "system/Admistration/Network " it give me an error " The Configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to access the system Configuration. :< I just installed fiesty.08:27
Ximalwhen i used the ripped dvd's it played because all the protection was removed08:28
Stormx2xtknight: eek?08:28
Ximalbrb storm08:28
xtknightStormx2, not really ;)08:28
Ximalthanks for ur help... U ROCK dude/chick whichever08:28
Ximallol08:28
xtknightStormx2, i'm just glad the GUI is faster08:28
Ximalbbiam08:28
Stormx2No prob.08:28
xtknighti.e. typical user (grandma) could benefit from it08:28
NewUserhow can i fix this?08:28
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Stormx2The boot for feisty is a little slower for me08:29
Stormx2but I'll work it out08:29
jimmy_pecisk, i commented out all the wacom tablet stuff, and the curson/stylus/eraser, x starts fine now, but still no desktop effects08:29
xtknightfaster here08:29
xtknightseems like it :O08:29
xtknightLinux andy-desktop 2.6.20-14-generic #2 SMP Mon Apr 2 20:37:49 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux08:29
jimmy_pecisk, also i got citrix working flawless, so nice08:29
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Ximal[00000298]  dvdread demuxer error: read failed for -1/4 blocks at 0x0108:29
Ximal[00000277]  main playlist: nothing to play08:29
Ximali get that when i try to use it to play the movie08:29
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Stormx2!dvd | Ximal08:30
ubotuXimal: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs08:30
Stormx2Have a quick look at that.08:30
peciskjimmy_: do glxinfo | grep direct one again08:30
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Arkohi08:31
jimmy_pecisk, direct rendering : no08:31
ArkoI did 'rmmod nvidia'. How do I reinstall it?08:31
peciskjimmy_: ls -lah /etc/X11 to pastebin.ca08:32
jimmy_oh wait08:32
jimmy_its using ati not fglrx08:32
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jimmy_i switched it08:32
jimmy_in xorg.conf08:32
peciskArko: rmmod is module removal from memory, modprobe nvidia will initialise it again08:32
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jimmy_ill try ctrl alt backspace08:32
jimmy_brb08:32
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Arkoback08:33
Ximalhmm08:33
Ximalno helpo08:33
ArkoHow to reinstall nvidia drivers?08:33
nerdygirl_ellieArko08:33
dcordes!nvidia08:33
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto08:33
Stormx2Arko: System > Administration > Restricted Drivers08:33
ArkoStormx2 : I am in console08:34
shirishIs there a way to kill an offending application?08:34
nerdygirl_ellieArko:   sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx08:34
Arkookay08:34
nerdygirl_ellieArko:  unless you used to use the driver from nvidia08:34
Ximalsudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh i get nothing with this comman08:34
peciskXimal: chmod +x that file first08:35
Arkonerdygirl_ellie : doing08:35
shirishanybody knows what is this http cleaner cache which runs sometimes in the background?08:35
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aaroncampbellI'm a web-app developer, and in the past I've developed on windows.  I used VMWare Worstation to create virtual machines that mimic all my server setups, and I could access them from a web browser using either http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx *or* http://hostname  however, the hostname thing doesn't seem to work on Kubuntu 7.0408:35
nerdygirl_ellieArko then reboot.08:35
aaroncampbellIs that something that needs to be set up?  Or is it not possible?08:35
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Arkonerdygirl_ellie : okay08:36
Arkorebooting08:36
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jimmy_pecisk, nah didnt work, i set it back to ati and it worked right away08:36
shirish!info httpcleanercache08:36
ubotuPackage httpcleanercache does not exist in feisty08:37
peciskjimmy_: change ati with radeon08:37
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peciskjimmy_: afaik I remember similar problem08:37
jimmy_pecisk, not fglrx?08:37
peciskjimmy_: from lsmod it seems that your video card support radeon08:37
peciskjimmy_: and Xorg log also says that08:38
Ximalso chmod +x then what08:38
jimmy_pecisk, ok here we go, one more ctrl alt bcks08:38
jimmy_brb08:38
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peciskaaroncampbell: if ip of vm conforms with hostname, it should work08:38
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Ximalchmod +x /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh <-- is that right ?08:38
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peciskaaroncampbell: if hostname is resolved, that is08:38
peciskXimal: yep08:39
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Ximal08:39
Ximalchmod: cannot access `/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh': No such file or directory08:39
NewUserwhen i try to open system/admistration/network it gave me error in return " The Configuration could not be loaded. you are not allowed to access the system configuration.08:39
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aaroncampbellpecisk: well, from ubuntu I can't do "ping hostname" whereas I *can* from windows08:39
aaroncampbell(right now, as we speak)08:39
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jimmy_pecisk, it worked, but no direct rendering08:39
jimmy_pecisk, and now desktop effects says no composite ?08:39
peciskaaroncampbell: is hostname on DNS or it maybe is written in Windows HOST file?08:39
jimmy_pecisk, no composite extension available08:40
peciskjimmy_: that is completely strange, feels like bug08:40
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Ximalany idea ?08:40
Ximalany ideas ? i meant08:40
Arkonerdygirl_ellie : got an error08:40
aaroncampbellpecisk: not in windows host file, but I don't run DNS, and it's not an actual domain name that would be in a public dns08:40
peciskjimmy_: can you give me Xorg log to pastebin.ca? /var/log/Xorg.log08:41
jimmy_sure08:41
jimmy_xorg.0.log?08:41
peciskjimmy_: and give me again your lspci string for video card08:41
peciskjimmy_: yep08:41
Ximali need to install the libdvdread package first and can't figure out how08:41
peciskaaroncampbell: so it is somehow created by VMWare08:41
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peciskaaroncampbell: I suggest to add hostname to /etc/hosts08:41
nerdygirl_ellieArko what was the error?08:41
Arkonerdygirl_ellie : Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9755.  Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.08:42
peciskaaroncampbell: in form "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx          hostname"08:42
nerdygirl_ellieYou didn't tell me you had the driver from nvidia installed. =)08:42
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jimmy_pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/42730408:42
NewUserno one can help me or nor anyone get thie error ?08:42
peciskNewUser: repeat question08:42
NewUserwhen i try to open system/admistration/network it gave me error in return " The Configuration could not be loaded. you are not allowed to access the system configuration.08:42
NewUseri want to set my network setting.. but the applet is not going to loaded08:43
nerdygirl_ellieArko:  You need the 3 legged monkey dance. =)  First, go to where you downloaded the NVIDIA driver.  run 'sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run08:43
nerdygirl_ellie --uninstall'08:43
jimmy_pecisk, how do i get the lspci string?08:43
peciskNewUser: is your user with administration rights?08:43
nerdygirl_ellieArko:  'sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run --uninstall'08:43
peciskjimmy_: lspci | grep VGA08:43
nerdygirl_ellieArko: apt-get remove nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-*08:44
jimmy_01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 08:44
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NewUserpecisk i m logining in with root08:44
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peciskNewUser: it is not right08:44
arko_nerdygirl_ellie : sorry lost my connection08:44
nerdygirl_ellieArko: apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-generic08:44
peciskNewUser: create new user with sudo rights, please08:44
arko_okay08:44
NewUserpecisk: i tried with User too08:44
peciskNewUser: the same error?08:45
nerdygirl_ellieArko: run all 3 commands and reboot.  Let me know if that fixed it.08:45
NewUserpecisk: yes same error..08:45
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Ximalok how do i use the synaptic program to make changes..08:45
Ximali found the stuff i need through synaptic..08:45
peciskNewUser: seems like some error, have you updated your box lately?08:45
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arko_nerdygirl_ellie : it says that those are already installed08:45
Ximalbut i can't get it to apply and download/setup the programs08:45
RickJonesi have a question. is the "trash" folder navigatable from terminal ?08:45
RickJonesand if so, where is it ?08:45
nerdygirl_ellieArko:  it removes the nvidia driver and the ubuntu nvidia bits, then reinstalls the ubuntu nvidia driver.08:45
NewUserpecisk: i aint get what u asked. sorry08:45
nerdygirl_ellieArko: then the reboot should do it.08:45
Ximali need to start it with administrative priveleges08:45
NewUserpecisk: i aint update my system now.. coz i just install fiesty ..08:46
Hidanholy moly i finally finally managed to finish installing all the updates for fiesty.08:46
NewUserpecisk: i just setup my lan setting then i m going to update it08:46
Ximalhow do i login with it to make changes ?08:46
Viper550Just wondering, has anyone tried Wubi?08:46
arko_nerdygirl_ellie : but it did nothing... just said that those packages are already installed08:47
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nerdygirl_ellieDid you run the nvidia uninstaller?08:47
Arkoyep08:47
Hidanxtknight: still around, huh?08:47
nerdygirl_elliethen you uninstalled the packages?08:47
xtknightHidan, indeed.  spring break08:47
xtknightand its 28F08:47
xtknightnot like i want to go out thre ;)08:47
nerdygirl_ellieThen you reinstall the packages.08:47
Arkookay08:47
nerdygirl_elliethen it should work.08:48
catiddoes anyone know how to add a transparency option to the menus for windows?  i'd like to be able to make windows transparent that way08:48
shirishNewUser: do gedit /etc/network/interfaces08:48
Arkodone08:48
shirishand post the contents of it in pastebin08:48
Arkoreboot?08:48
Hidanxtknight: mmm 28f? well, even if i don't really know much about fahrenheit, sounds like it's snowing heavily or freezing, even. :p08:48
NewUsershirish sure08:48
xtknightHidan, yeah that's about right.  not quite snowing though it was yesterday08:48
RickJones28 degrees F = -3 c08:48
xtknightHidan, freezing is 32F08:48
shirishNewUser: this is a dual-boot box, right?08:49
xtknightubotu needs a fahrenheit->celcius convesion08:49
Hidanxtknight: boy, I'd love to have some snow... it's so hot in Singapore... like it feels like an oven at 3 a.m. in the morning!!!08:49
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Hidanrickjones: ty for the conversion. :)08:49
NewUsershirish: ye08:49
shirishHidan: same here its 12:20 a.m. & still feels like an oven the fan is at full blast08:49
shirish@now Calcutta08:50
RickJonescan get close by simply subtracting 32 from a F  to get C , not exact, but ball park figure08:50
ubotuCurrent time in Asia/Calcutta: April 07 2007, 00:20:05 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 4 days08:50
Hidanshirish: man... oh man... Calcutta?! Wow, India, huh?08:50
shirishHidan: yup08:50
RickJonesanyways, how can you SU with gui so can delete a file you don't have permission to ?08:50
catidthat's got to be rough on keeping computers cool08:50
shirishNewUser: do u know what ur ip address, and gateway address is, it is typical router modem setup or wireless?08:51
peciskjimmy_: can you try to switch to fglrx again and then when it fails, copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere, get in with ati driver and then pastebin.ca? Should look why fglrx doesn't work for you.08:51
Hidancatid: yeah that's why I've a gigantic cooler ... let me find the link . :p08:51
NewUsershirish : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14251/08:51
catidno AMDs in India =)08:51
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NewUsershirish: yes i know whats my Ip/Gateway/MAC08:51
shirishcatid: you are dead wrong m8, there are many AMD lovers in india08:51
jimmy_pecisk, ok sure thing08:51
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catidwell yeah08:52
shirishNewUser: ok here is mine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14253/08:53
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Rei-chanSo, are there any gaping holes in Feisty? I got bored and decided to upgrade now, out of curosity. With install CD in hand if need be.08:53
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shirishcatid: in fact I recommend all my friends to AMD for the reason they are more open to open source08:53
Hidancatid: ooh my cpu is AMD btw and this is my cooler. =P http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/AirCooling/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2335&ProductName=3D%20Rocket%20II08:54
catidpeople seem to have luck installing it Rei-chan.. some people noted regressions in nvidia and other hardware support.. ymmv08:54
HobartRei-chan -> I've got five machines running Feisty offa the beta release Live and Alt CDs, they seem to work OK.  ATI proprietary wifi having trouble, wifi requires a stop/start before it comes up, that's about it as far as I have seen08:54
shirishNewUser: now do sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces08:54
catidif the live cd doesn't work.. might want to think twice08:54
NewUserShirish: So i edit that File like urs ? And edit my setting there08:54
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shirishNewUser: that is the idea08:54
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Rei-chanI'm not running anything bleeding over here. Just an old GX150.08:55
HobartRei-chan -> of course I've just used them for a few days, almost all just firefox and ssh08:55
NewUserOkie..08:55
shirishNewUser: there is another file that you will have to edit after that08:55
HobartRei-chan -> oh and, umm , I can assure you the video codecs work. :)  I ... watch a lot of ... nasa tv08:55
shirishNewUser: tell me when you are done with that08:55
catidHidan: your fan looks like it is ready for launch to Mars08:55
NewUsershirish: one more thing.. when i start my Pc.. Xserver is Not Start Automatically.. when i type startx then X server starts..08:55
Hidanshirish: curious, what's your cpu cooler?  I mean, it must be really hot in Calcutta too.08:55
HidanCatid: LOL08:55
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Ximalhmm brb08:55
NewUsershirish: sure.. i m going to do it.08:55
HidanCatid: someone got it for me as a gift. lol.08:56
HobartRei-chan -> also remember that since its a beta there's megs of updates every day for it :)08:56
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shirishHidan: I am in Pune, which is roughly around 800 kms, and no cpu cooler, just paste its sturdy box 3.5 yrs. only once for servicing08:56
jimmy_pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/42735008:56
Rei-chanHobart: Feisty WILL require a reboot, correct?08:56
Rei-chanHobart: Yeah, but hell, that's the fun part.08:56
catidHidan: well the fans for Intel are huge now too, so heat is just as bad for both of the big companies now08:56
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HobartRei-chan -> very much so, I'd advise using a new empty hdd08:56
shirishRei-chan: while u rue for updates, I live for updates08:56
Rei-chanRei-chan: Actually, l like updates. :)08:57
peciskjimmy_: in fact, I found out, your card isn't supported by fglrx, but by radeon, but you have Composite disabled, please take a look to your xorg.conf08:57
Hidancatid: huh...08:57
catidHidan: umm let me show you what i mean08:57
Hidanshirish: pune??? sorry, dunno what that is.08:57
jimmy_so i set it to radeon, and composite enabled?08:57
Hobartif this is your only machine, stick with something stable or at least keep something stable on another partition somewhere :)08:57
Rei-chanshirish: Hell, maybe Beryl will work.08:57
shirishHidan: Pune is a place near mumbai or better known as bombay08:57
jimmy_pecisk, option composite 1 ?08:57
Rei-chanHobart: If it becomes too unstable, I just format and install Edgy.08:57
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peciskjimmy_: it is 1?08:58
jimmy_no 008:58
Arkonerdygirl_ellie: it worked08:58
peciskjimmy_: put 1 there08:58
jimmy_ok08:58
Hidanshirish: ooh but... wait a minute, NO cooler?! You just apply thermal paste once every month or so?! WOW...08:58
Arkonerdygirl_ellie: thanks08:58
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shirishHidan: I applied the thermal paste around 1.5 years ago actually08:58
rysiek|plhi, I just installed feisty and have a wee bit o'issue08:58
HidanShirish: that's insane!!!!08:58
HobartRei-chan -> sounds like yer prime beta candidate material :D08:59
peciskrysiek|pl: tell me08:59
shirishHidan: u from where?08:59
NewUsershirish: sorry yes now i edit the file.. and save it now what?>08:59
rysiek|plupon every boot the fat32 partitions (don't ask...) are thoroughly fscked08:59
HidanShirish: My cpu wouldn't last like that lol...08:59
Rei-chanHobart: hehehe...08:59
rysiek|plpecisk: ^^08:59
HidanShirish: Singapore ^__^08:59
shirishNewUser: just look at the file again to see its saved08:59
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jimmy_pecisk, nah08:59
jimmy_pecisk, didnt help08:59
peciskjimmy_: glxinfo?08:59
catidHidan: http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_diy_videoguide01.html  (check the Zalman CNPS-9500 fan video)08:59
shirishHidan: we guys die to be at your end, all those gadgets there with so cheap bandwidth08:59
rysiek|plpecisk: I mean file-system-checked, not f*cked ;)08:59
peciskrysiek|pl: maybe something wrong with /etc/fstab settings?09:00
NewUsershirish: yeah it save.09:00
Hidanshirish: mmm... cheap bandwidth yeah but... the09:00
shirishNewUser: ok cool, now there is this /etc/resolv.conf file09:00
Hidanshirish: but the singapore government just launched a spyware program... =/ something like what the USA gov. tried to do.09:00
peciskjimmy_: now please pastebin.ca again Xorg.log and glxinfo too09:00
jimmy_pecisk, http://pastebin.ca/42735909:01
shirishHidan: so u guys use proxy stuff + anonymizer programs & what not09:01
NewUsershirish: edit this file too?09:01
Rei-chanHidan: I always operate under the assumption that the NSA is reading everything I type. :) Its just easier.09:01
shirishNewUser: you have no choice, as network manager is not letting you in, otherwise it is done by network manager09:01
catidHidan: hack your cable modem and they won't be able to see where you're coming from anyway..09:02
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Hidanshirish: Well, not many do. bleah... it's just that the government has a habit of sueing/arresting pple, etc.09:02
NewUsershirish: ya now file is open.09:02
jimmy_pecisk, log : http://pastebin.ca/42736009:02
shirishNewUser: paste the contents to pastebin09:02
Hidancatid: very bad idea. The govt is always watching you... not too smart to do it in a tiny country where everyone's tracking your activities.09:02
rysiek|plpecisk: A seems OK - <UUID> /mount/point vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46   0       109:02
shirishHidan: that is too bad, good we live in democracy, we always criticize the goverment openly on whatever they do09:03
Hidanrei-chan : yeah, well... pffttt NSA, huh?09:03
Rei-chanHidan: Yeah, but I'm American. :)09:03
NewUsershirish: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14258/09:03
shirishHidan: except when they make way for more bandwidth i.e09:03
catidHidan: seems to me that in a smaller country you'd have more fun playing with their systems09:03
peciskjimmy_: (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled09:03
peciskstrange09:03
shirishNewUser: is that nameserver the one which you are going to use?09:04
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aaroncampbellWhat is the easiest way to share files between multiple linux computers?09:04
Rei-chancatid: Smaller government with more information warfare capability, though. More time and resources to find and amuse themselves.09:04
NewUsershirish: No.. I think My server ip is 172.16.0.109:04
jimmy_pecisk, youre telling me09:04
nerdygirl_ellieaaroncampbell:  once or frequently?09:04
pantalaimon_i get an error when i try to install the newest kernel image09:04
jimmy_pecisk, i dont know whats going on09:04
Hidanshirish: huh... here, man... the government uses "entrapment" to arrest people. What this means is that you're guilty till you're proved innocent. It doesn't matter if the incident was an accident, that is, you didn't know the man was a drug dealer or that what he was offering you were drugs.09:04
aaroncampbellnerdygirl_ellie: pretty regularly09:04
SlimeyPeteaaroncampbell: nfs or samba (or just scp if you only want to move a few files around)09:04
NewUsershirish: This Is Another Server IP.. Another Server Merge With My Server. so this is nOt My Lan Server.09:04
CarinArrdoes anyone know of any good traffic shaping tools?09:04
shirishNewUser: the resolv.conf is for DNS nameservers there needs to be a preferred and an alternate server09:05
aaroncampbellSlimeyPete: well, I know I already have samba set up on the one side...how do I access it from the other?09:05
CarinArri mean it doesn't have to be incredibly intelligent, i just want ssh to always take preference09:05
Hidanshirish: what this means is that the government goes around trying to arrest people at random. As a result, lots of people are on edge and dislike publicity and stay away from civic activities.09:05
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joeaminedhi everybody09:05
catidRei-chan: judging by personal experience.. the smaller a network you're dealing with the less sophisticated they are09:05
concept10!info tinyx09:05
ubotuPackage tinyx does not exist in feisty09:05
shirishHidan: that is a shame, here we have too much people with not enough work09:05
NewUsershirish: yeah i edit that file too.. And save my Server ip There..  now ?09:05
Hidanshirish: that's 'cos many who take part in civic activities are monitored by the government.09:05
joeaminedwhat will be the future of desktop effects on ubuntu ?09:05
concept10!info kdrivew09:05
ubotuPackage kdrivew does not exist in feisty09:05
concept10!info kdrive09:05
ubotuPackage kdrive does not exist in feisty09:05
SlimeyPeteaaroncampbell: if you have shares set up on one computer you can either use gnome/kde's file manager to access them, or you can install the smbfs package and use smbmount to mount the share into a directory on your filesystem09:05
jimmy_pecisk, can i just reinstall the driver?09:05
SlimeyPeteaaroncampbell: the latter method takes more effort but will yeild better results09:06
peciskjimmy_: which one?09:06
shirishNewUser: you saved both IPs there, right a preferred DNS server & an alternate DNS server right09:06
HidanShirish: yeah it's a big shame...09:06
Rei-chancatid: Smaller country, I'd say, not smaller network.09:06
peciskjimmy_: I would suggest to remove fglrx driver09:06
jimmy_pecisk, the radeon one im supposed to be using09:06
rysiek|plupon every boot the fat32 partitions (don't ask...) are thoroughly file-system-checked - anybody any ideas how to turn it off? man mount is silent :/09:06
jimmy_pecisk, how do i do that09:06
peciskjimmy_: because you don't need it09:06
aaroncampbellSlimeyPete: I think I'll have to do that latter, because I need to be able to allow Zend Studio access to the dir09:06
HidanRei-chan: just because a network is smaller, doesn't mean the government does not possess the latest up-to-date hi-tech equipment and technology.09:06
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shirishNewUser: check the file once more, if everything is as it is do a CTRL+ALT+Backspace09:07
peciskjimmy_: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx09:07
Viper550I have a question about resolution09:07
shirishNewUser: login again09:07
peciskjimmy_: just to be sure that it doesn't stand in your way09:07
SlimeyPeteaaroncampbell: gnome (and, I think, kde) will allow you to do a sort of "virtual mount" thing which will allow that, but I find that some applications don't like using virtual folders09:07
HidanRei-chan or even if a country is small , even.09:07
Rei-chanHidan: Yeah. That's what I'm getting at. Some governments put a premium on information warfare. And controlling what you folks do online is infowar.09:07
shirishViper550: shoot09:07
rysiek|plViper550: what's that09:07
NewUsershirish: i just edit nameserver 172.16.0.1 " My server IP " in my Lan just DNS Server IP worked. Alternate Option is disable.09:07
Rei-chanLOL China.09:07
HidanRei-chan: yep... my government certainly does...09:07
shirishNewUser: ok cool09:07
Viper550This is my xorg.conf file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14259/09:08
NewUsershirish: but My Xserver not stating auto.. when i boot my system then X Server not start automatically.09:08
HidanRei-chan: Although, my government's behaviour regarding certain "touchy" issues looks pretty dumb, when compared to the China government's behaviour. :p09:08
aaroncampbellSlimeyPete: I added smbfs.  I'll go try it.  Thanks09:08
SlimeyPeteaaroncampbell: np.09:08
shirishNewUser: ping me when u have done the CTRL+ALT+Backspace thing just re-login you are not shutting down the comp. you are just logging out of the session09:08
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Viper550When I go into Screen Resolution in the System menu, it only shows 800x600 and 640x48009:08
shirishViper550: what card or integrated graphics u have?09:09
Rei-chanOk, gotta go pick up ink cartridges for a printer that Linux doesn't support.09:09
Viper550In addition, I have a Widescreen Monitor.09:09
Rei-chanlol.09:09
NewUsershirish: same.. X Server not going up auto. now i type startx?09:09
shirishNewUser: yup do that09:09
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Viper550I require 1680x1050 or everything is stretched! 4:3 + 16:9 monitor=ugh.09:09
shirishViper550: you are not listening, what is your graphics chipset?09:10
catiddoes anyone know how to add transparency to any running window?09:10
Viper550Its in the xorg.conf, that nvidia GeForce 6150 LE09:10
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jimmy_pecisk,  removing it worked09:11
Mena!distro-upgrade09:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about distro-upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:11
peciskjimmy_: it works now?09:11
shirishViper550: there are some new experimental drivers which could either break or make your system09:11
jimmy_pecisk, desktop effects work again09:11
peciskjimmy_: CONGRATS!09:11
pecisk:D09:11
HidanRei-chan: yeah... i mean , in certain areas, various groups already enjoy better civic rights in China. the main problem in China, though, are the officials and politicians in certain states who resort to murder and corruption to get things done, and who're resistant against change. In Singapore, it's the government who resists change, whether good or bad.09:11
peciskman that was long09:11
jimmy_pecisk, all that for wobbly windows :)09:11
jimmy_pecisk, so worth it09:11
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peciskjimmy_: I disable wobblying but I like fade out/fade in effects and lot of small nice effects too09:11
shirishHidan: that is same here, corruption murder sex all the same things09:11
jimmy_pecisk, does compiz work with emerald?09:11
shirishNewUser: where are u?09:11
peciskjimmy_: it is definitely worth that09:11
peciskjimmy_: what is emerald?09:12
NewUsershirish: wait.. just open the terminal09:12
jimmy_pecisk, a theme manager09:12
jimmy_pecisk, but i think its for beryl09:12
peciskjimmy_: I am not sure09:12
Rei-chanOh! Anyone know if you can WINE lexmark "All in one printer solution" stuff?09:12
peciskjimmy_: they will merge09:12
Viper550sherish: I just wanna know, why are only 2 resolution choices coming up?09:12
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Hidanshirish: it's really sad... then when you try to do something about the issue, they'll start equating a certain class/group/people with "sex/drugs/corruption", etc.09:12
peciskjimmy_: but I think Compiz is just very light version of Beryl09:12
Rei-chanCause the last obsticle to Windows -> Ubuntu is sitting next to me, my POS X1185 AIO Printer.09:12
shirishRei-chan: why would u want that, afaik most lexmark printers are done09:12
Hidanshirish: really pathetic.09:13
Viper550Also note: I used Wubi to install.09:13
jimmy_pecisk, beryl ran really slow on my p4 1.6 with a geforce 5200 agp09:13
jimmy_pecisk, really slow09:13
shirishHidan: good, I think you needed to get that out of your system09:13
jimmy_pecisk, this compiz runs like a bullet on my laptop09:13
Rei-chanshirish: Cause its next to me. Thats about the only reason.09:13
Hidanshirish: get what? lol09:13
peciskjimmy_: yeah, because it is targeted on more usable and low-end effects09:13
catidRei-chan: try it out:)09:13
peciskanyway09:13
peciskgreat that you got it workin09:13
Rei-chanshirish: If you're referring to cups support, its listed as "basic," and sane tries to kill the printer when it scans.09:14
shirishRei-chan: have u looked at lexmarks site if they have any open source drivers, even .rpm drivers can be useful09:14
Hidancatid: will look at that video link later on btw 'cos mmm... my codes are kinda inadequate.09:14
shirishRei-chan: for your specific printer09:14
Rei-chanshirish: That's my next stop, not sure if those things actually, well, work, but hell.09:14
shirishRei-chan: we can only try09:14
Rei-chanshirish: alien is installed by default, yes?09:14
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shirishRei-chan: supposedly yes, lemme check09:15
NewUsershirish: well in resolv.conf i set nameserver 172.16.0.1 ... << this Mean its My Dns ?09:15
shirishNewUser: the /etc/resolv.conf is for setting up your DNS nameserver09:15
NewUsershirish: What i Set the for DNS ? my Dns IP is 172.16.0.109:16
shirishNewUser: that server will resolve the names to the ip addresses09:16
shirishNewUser: then that is already done09:16
Hidanbtw, does anyone have an issue of seeing Feisty draw the "windows" when you minimise an application?09:17
peciskjimmy_: in free time you can try to do lsmod | grep fglrx and give me results :)09:17
shirishNewUser: now go to terminal and try $ ping -c5 www.google.com09:17
jimmy_pecisk, thanks alot for all your help i really appreciate it09:17
jimmy_pecisk, sure ill do it now09:17
jimmy_pecisk, nothing happened09:17
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NewUsershirish: dont know.. i ping my pc to another pc.. ping reply fine.. but when i ping my server .. no ping reply from server. that means something problem with that pc.09:18
peciskjimmy_: ohhh, nice09:18
shirishRei-chan: it seems to be an optional package so you might have to install it09:18
peciskjimmy_: then everything is fine09:18
jimmy_pecisk, but if i grep radeon i get ;09:18
jimmy_pecisk, radeon                124576  309:18
jimmy_drm                    81044  4 radeon09:18
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peciskjimmy_: "radeon" is right driver you should use with this video card09:18
Rei-chanmmm gig of updates.09:18
shirishNewUser: with xp it works fine?09:18
peciskjimmy_: so it is fine09:18
jimmy_pecisk, awesome09:18
jimmy_pecisk, now i have outlook running in citrix and it wobbles09:19
peciskomg09:19
pecisk:D09:19
jimmy_pecisk, goodbye windows09:19
pecisk:)09:19
shirishNewUser: reboot that system & try pinging it to the server it will tell you if there is some issue with the setup or the server09:20
Viper550Anyone using Wubi?09:20
shirishViper550: what is Wubi?09:21
Viper550that Windows based Ubuntu installer09:21
Viper550http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html09:21
Rei-chanViper550: What's it do?09:21
Rei-chanUbuntu overwriting Windows?09:21
Rei-chanOr some kind of Ubuntu on top of Windows gimmick?09:21
Viper550It's an Ubuntu installer of sorts, but it installs it to images on your Windows drive and uses the NT Boot Loader+WinGrub to boot it09:21
Rei-chanAh, ok.09:22
shirishRei-chan: it basically is supposed to save bookmarks & IM contacts to Ubuntu while installng09:22
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NewUser!ping me09:22
Viper550So, it IS real, but it jumps through some hoops09:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ping me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:22
Rei-chanshirsh: That's lovely, I guess. ... How hard is it to stick a freaking CD in the drive and reboot to installer? :)09:23
Viper550Messing with partitions. It uses the same disc, but just the ISO09:23
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|NewUser|shirish: sorry got d/c09:23
Viper550It uses the same Alternate Fiesty ISO, and when you boot it the first time, it does the actual installation with debian-installer09:23
shirishok no issues09:24
|NewUser|shirish: dont know.. i ping my pc to another pc.. ping reply fine.. but when i ping my server .. no ping reply from server. that means something problem with that pc.09:24
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shirishprobably, you can try to add opendns servers if you want to your /etc/resolv.conf09:25
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shirishNewUser: how do u authenticate to the server?09:25
jimmy_pecisk, http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7276/wowwi5.png09:25
|NewUser|shirish: authentication method is Ip/Gateway/MAC09:25
|NewUser|shirish: I set these things.09:26
peciskjimmy_: nice one, where you got that Compiz configure panel?09:26
jimmy_pecisk, i just searched for compix in synaptic09:26
|NewUser|shirish: i check my setting with sudo ifconfig eth0 .. all thing fine there. and listed there09:26
jimmy_*compiz09:26
shirish|NewUser|: this is your office server, or what?09:26
peciskjimmy_: I see09:26
peciskwill try  :)09:26
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jimmy_pecisk, has some nice config settings, but overall i kept it default09:27
|NewUser|shirish: now i m using LAN connection from a Server.. i m Just a client.. i have 2 Connections in 2 pc..09:27
|NewUser|shirish: this pc works fine.. which im using here..09:27
|NewUser|shirish: using fiesty in another pc.09:27
|NewUser|shirish: well when i reboot my Pc X Server not start automatically.. And the login Screen also not comes there.. can u fix that fix ?09:28
|NewUser|*1st09:28
shirish|NewUser|: the Xserver issue is a big one, I got that fixed by using an experimental driver for intel , as this is an intel board, integrated graphics09:29
|NewUser|shirish: ya thats the intel board.09:29
shirish|NewUser|: you are also using intel board?09:29
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|NewUser|shirish: yes i m Using D81509:30
shirish|NewUser|: one of the newer boards, I guess Dual-core ones09:30
|NewUser|shirish: dont know much about that..09:30
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shirish|NewUser|: ok go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/9021309:31
ubotuMalone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info] 09:31
shirish|NewUser|: read the whole thing, download that package & install the .deb in the way I did09:32
|NewUser|shirish: how i download it in that pc ? my Net connection is not working there.09:32
shirish|NewUser|: one thing more, see how this current feisty /etc/network/interfaces as well as /etc/resolv.conf is configured09:32
shirish|NewUser|: it is a single file, no dependencies, just install them, you might get some issues or it might just work also09:33
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shirishRei-chan: its a driver in works, and it works wonderfully on my desktop i845 here09:34
|NewUser|shirish: can i paste that file into pastebin ? im not fimiliar with that :< using it first time.09:34
Rei-chanOk. My i815 sucks, I get to see everything in true living 16bit.09:34
|NewUser|shirish: all setting is fine.. which one u told me to edit in two files.09:34
shirish|NewUser|: sure but write it down somewhere so you know where u pasted it just in case09:34
shirish|NewUser|: then it is truly strange09:35
shirishRei-chan: u can also try downloading that driver & trying it out, I have given some instructions as to what worked for me09:35
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Rei-chanI think its partially just cause this workstation has 4MB of VRAM.09:36
Rei-chanIts a Dell, I got it for 100 dollars.09:36
shirishRei-chan: nice deal m809:37
nerdygirl_ellie4MB?  err, no.  Maybe 64MB?09:37
Rei-chanshirish: ebay. :) 256MB RAM, 1GHz Intel (meh)09:37
Rei-channerdygirl_ellie: No, nerdygirl_ellie, 4 MB.09:37
|NewUser|shirish: if its driver problem then.. why my Desktop.. is fine? icon? text? i m using 17 inch moniter i have all Resolution modes there.. all things fine. All things fit on screen.09:37
shirishI paid 500 dollars for mine, 3.5 yrs. back09:37
shirish|NewUser|: you are able to change resolutions?09:38
|NewUser|shirish: i m using  1024x786 with Refresh rate 8hz09:38
|NewUser|*85hz09:38
shirish|NewUser|: then you are the lucky one09:39
|NewUser|shirish: if i am lucky one :S then why my X server not working fine for me :< No login screen when i reboot my system.09:40
shirishseems like a bug then or some config issue, what does /var/log/x.org.0.old show?09:40
shirish|NewUser|: actually your problems might be resolved l8ter once you are able to network & get some updates, I remember there being couple of releases of xserver-xorg after beta came through09:42
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|NewUser|shirish: X.org.0.log.old is too big :< how i show y0u the file what saying..09:43
|NewUser|shirish: maybe after update i will get new setting..09:43
|NewUser|shirish: but NEt are not working too :< .. damn all setting is fine..09:43
shirish|NewUser|: sometimes things do not work the first time around, try using network manager again & see what he says09:44
shirishthis time around09:45
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aceHi all09:46
acecan someone help me with my mouse09:46
aceit isn't working properly, although the basic functions are there09:47
acebuttons 8 and 9 are acting like 2 and 3,09:47
acei worked perfectly out of the box in edgy09:47
aceand dapper too09:47
acebut its broken in fawn09:47
acei ran xev09:48
XVampireXpeople, running opera segfaults here09:48
acewhen i pressed button 8 it showed in xev as button 209:48
XVampireXserge@serge-desktop:~/Games/tt-0.22$ opera09:48
XVampireXERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.09:48
XVampireXERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.09:48
XVampireXSegmentation fault (core dumped)09:48
aceXVampireX: in opera you can't zoom in and pann, panning is busted when zooming09:48
aceXVampireX: is it the latest weekly?09:48
XVampireXNo09:48
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acei got the latest weekly and it worked fine http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/09:49
acethe top post mentions something about xlibs09:49
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XVampireXOh, thank you :)09:49
|NewUser|shirish: same error with network :<09:49
XVampireXAre there any noticeable improvements in the latest opera?09:50
aceXVampireX: yea it has speed dial, blank tabs have 9 thumbnails, you can fill it with sites you visit often, i like it09:50
shirish|NewUser|: you are using the same machine as a windows machine right?09:50
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XVampireXace: Oh, thanks :)09:51
kruptoshirish: ehhh man :) net working :)09:51
kruptoshirish:  i m |NewUser| ..09:51
krupto:/09:51
shirishkrupto: cool :P09:51
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kruptoshirish: thanks for all :) now net is working :)09:51
kruptoshirish:  now help me with X server :<09:51
shirishkrupto: phew that was biggie09:51
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kruptoshirish: i dont man whts the hell if display driver works fine.. then whats the problem with Xserver.09:52
krupto:<09:52
shirishkrupto: nothing much to it really you will have to update that box then I guess u will have xserver-xorg running fine too09:52
XVampireXWhat's Speed Dial, by the way?09:52
kruptoshirish:  as i said ya.. about resolution.. all ting.09:52
kruptoshirish: okie dude sure :) well any easiet way to update my box ? well i want selected updated.09:53
kruptoshirish:  well i use synaptic ? for selected update i want?09:53
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shirishkrupto: that will not work as there is possibiities of a broken box after some-time09:53
lastenthi, does anyone make the 3d work for the chess in feisty?09:53
shirishkrupto: it will take the latest updates & dump that to u09:54
kruptoshirish:  then u want to say i use must update manager?09:54
aceXVampireX: http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2007/03/02/opera-reveals-new-speed-dial-featurei-like-it/09:54
finalbetalastent: it's on the forums somewhere09:54
shirishkrupto: if u want to be fast & simple use the command line09:54
shirishkrupto: sudo apt-get update & sudo  apt-get upgrade09:55
kruptoshirish: well dude in my Country there is no high speed  here :)09:55
shirishkrupto: welcome to my world, here 256 Kbps is termed as high-speed09:55
lastentfinalbeta i already searched and didnt found anything, have you make it work?09:55
XVampireXace: Sweet!09:56
finalbetalastent: no, I couldn't care less.09:56
kruptoshirish: well this is high speedy :) l0o0l well i have just 8 to 9 kbs :)09:56
lastentfinalbeta, ok09:56
kruptoshirish: thats why i m asking to just selected upgrade.. what i need for box.. or Xserver09:56
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hardawayanyone know when CNR will be available as beta or otherwise?09:57
shirishkrupto: linux is known for dependency hell, so one package needs requires some other packages & so on & so forth09:57
kruptoshirish: well sudo apt-get update is not my problem.  but if i m trying to update my box.. but when my lan got d/c then what next?09:58
kruptoshirish: so i restart my update from start?09:58
shirishkrupto: nope it will start from where u left off, rest of things in cache09:58
acei want this phone!! http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2007/04/05/high_school_stu.html09:59
shirish/etc/apt/cache Iirc09:59
kruptoshirish:  so if my update is going d/c then next time how i update again ? with -c or? something?09:59
aceThere is a problem with adept09:59
shirishkrupto: nothing like that just do it apt-get upgrade again, it will start from where it left off10:00
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aceit does not seem to respect synaptic's locked packages10:01
kruptoshirish:  thanks buddy.. now i m going to do " sudo apt-get upgrade " when i completed .. then i will mSa ya if i get same problem with Xserver.10:01
acei locked the beryl packages in synaptic but adept still shows the packages in the upgradeable list10:02
shirishkrupto: go for it, good luck10:02
kruptoshirish:  thanks buddy :)10:02
kruptoshirish:  more thanks for all :)10:03
shirishkrupto: no issues we all learn in the process10:03
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kruptofinalbeta: can ya help if ya have sometime?10:04
acesudo apt-get dist-upgrade?10:05
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kruptoace: i think this cmd updgrade ur distro.10:05
shirishwhat do u guys know, I have been getting updates all the time it is just they are hidden from view for some reason? Anybody knows the reason why?10:05
aceyea just making sure, you said  .. now i m going to do " sudo apt-get upgrade "10:06
kruptoshirish:  im trying to do " sudo apt-get upgrade " but nothing happen there . 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.10:06
shirishkrupto: u did sudo apt-get update before that did not you?10:07
kruptoshirish: ohh na i aint did that.. sorry10:07
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jcsmithhi all, i'm trying to install the beta of feisty on a desktop that previously had dapper on it and when booting to the feisty live cd, i get the following error(s), any ideas? /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off10:10
jcsmithand then it drops me to an initramfs prompt, any ideas?10:11
gourdinwith the last feisty kernel, I loose wy wifi every minutes (ipw3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945)10:11
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FunnyLookinHatgourdin, bug report it and revert to an older kernel until a new one is released   : )10:19
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Grendelhas the jmicron issue been fixed in the latest herd of feisty? i mean updated kernel incorprated and such?10:22
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FunnyLookinHatGrendel, best way to find out is either via ubuntuforums.org or just trying it out   : )10:23
FunnyLookinHatIf it's been an issue for over a week then most likely.10:23
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Grendelfunnylookinhat:  good idea, i know there is a kernel out there that has addressed the issue but i don't know if that vers of the kernel is making it in.  i would guess it would make it into the 4/19 release10:24
Grendelbtw is byte code interpreter activated by default in feisty?10:25
aceWhere can i get w32codecs for fawn?10:25
FunnyLookinHatGrendel, they probably jsut forgot to compile a module into a version of the kernel... usually gets fixed prett yquick (happened to me once)10:25
FunnyLookinHatace, google for w32codecs.deb10:26
ikoniaFunnyLookinHat: thats rubbish10:26
ikoniaace: they are in the repo10:27
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FunnyLookinHatikonia, no they aren't10:27
FunnyLookinHatLOL10:27
FunnyLookinHatw32codecs will never be in the repo.10:27
ikoniathey are for every other ubuntu version10:27
aceikonia: which repo?10:28
FunnyLookinHatno they aren't.10:28
ikoniareally10:28
ikonia!restrictedformats >ikonoia10:28
FunnyLookinHatThey can't be in the official repos...  and you would know that if you were a dev or in the process.10:28
ikonia!restrictedformats >ikonia10:28
acedoesn't work in here?10:28
ikoniawiki says they are in the nonfree repo10:30
FunnyLookinHatfunnylookinhat.com/w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb10:30
FunnyLookinHatget it there10:30
aceis that the latest?10:31
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ikoniahttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats10:31
FunnyLookinHatikonia, read carefully please.10:32
FunnyLookinHat"Playing Windows Media Video (WMV) or RealVideo files requires a software library that Ubuntu cannot distribute due to licensing restrictions (see  Windows Media and RealPlayer files for installation instructions)."10:32
ikoniaFunnyLookinHat: where are you reading that10:32
FunnyLookinHatAt the bottom.10:32
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FunnyLookinHatMy point is this:  Don't start saying things that you don't know for sure, especially if a dev or someone in the process is telling you is wrong.10:33
FunnyLookinHatIt just makes it harder to explain things in the long run.10:33
ikoniaahhh I se10:33
ikoniaI got them using that page10:33
FunnyLookinHatYou can get them, yes... but they are not in the repos.10:34
ikoniaI thought libcss2 was the only one I went "external" for10:34
ikoniagot confused as I got the intructions from the "official" wiki10:34
ikoniarather than an official repo10:34
wizardcrimsun: hey when u get time i'd like to see if we can pick up where we left off10:34
aceAnyone know how to turn off the zooming thing in kubuntu, i HATE IT!!! its the most annoying thing ever when your browsing for something10:35
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FunnyLookinHatace, ask in #kubuntu10:36
FunnyLookinHatno worries ikonia10:36
acebuts it only found in fawn10:36
ikoniaby bad10:36
FunnyLookinHatoh weird.10:36
FunnyLookinHatIf I had kubuntu I could help you, but I have no idea what feature that is...  : (10:36
micahcowanIs there a #kubuntu+1?10:38
FunnyLookinHatdon't think so, but you can try10:39
aceyea lets start one10:39
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FunnyLookinHatace, did you get my link earlier for w32codecs?10:42
aceFunnyLookinHat: yup i installed it, thanks10:42
FunnyLookinHatnp10:43
aceAnyone here running beryl?10:43
acecan you please run gmplayer and play a video, is the video streched across 4 desktops?#10:43
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wizardhas anyone ever heard that using white backgrounds burns out lcd faster??10:45
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acenope10:46
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acecan you burn out an lcd?10:46
wizardlcd can get screen burn i know10:47
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acewhite would since it requires the most power but wouldn't it depend on the brightness and stuff?10:47
wizardace: i am using my new asus laptop wioth a white wallpaper10:48
Infectocan some one tell me why ark have prolem with unpacking files which one have name liek "file [1x17]  name'some  .txt"10:48
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lopahow would i set up ssh ?10:49
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Arkohi10:49
Arkohow to not start screensaver when using xine?10:49
lopaanyone please?10:50
foxinesslopa: can i point u to url ?10:50
lopayes10:50
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soothsayCan anyone tell me why 'sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' results in a permission denied error?10:52
jcsmithsoothsay: because only the echo is ran sudo, you need to do something like sudo 'echo 1 > /proc/sys.net/ipv4/ip_forward'10:53
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soothsayjcsmith: That doesn't work. It looks for the command with the name of the whole string10:53
soothsaysudo: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: command not found10:54
jcsmithsoothsay....then i'd just do sudo -s10:54
jcsmithand then type the command :-D10:54
Arkohow to create an alias to use with sudo. like sudo mv=sudo mv -i?10:54
soothsayArko: Did you try quotes10:55
soothsay?10:55
soothsaysudo mv="sudo mv -i"10:55
soothsaysudo_mv="sudo mv -i"10:55
Arkohmmm10:55
soothsayalias sudo_mv="sudo mv -i"10:55
micahcowanI usually do sudo bash -c '... > ...'10:55
Arkonot10:56
Arkosoothsay: like that I would have to type '_' all time?10:56
micahcowanArko, well, use a - instead, then...10:57
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micahcowanYou can't do aliases for /arguments/, and sudo's not going to source an rc file before it runs your commands, so I don't think you have a way to do exactly what you ask for.10:57
micahcowan(btw, the comment two back was meant for soothsay, not Arko)10:58
soothsaymicahcowan: Yeah, used that tip. Thanks10:58
gourdinanyone else got problems with an intel wireless ?10:58
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gourdinmine deco every minutes :(10:58
AndyCRhi, im trying to get desktop effects to work correctly10:59
AndyCReverything works, but the expose-workalike doesnt start when i move my mouse to the upper right corner10:59
gourdinhmmm11:00
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gourdin2.6.20-14 will resolve these bugs ?11:00
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jack_deltrinoI'm having some major problems with Feisty and USB devices in general.11:05
jack_deltrinoUSB mass storage devices, USB CD burners, USB wifi cards all fail to display in lsusb.11:05
jack_deltrinoNot only do all of these devices work on another Linux distribution, they work on Windows as well.11:06
jack_deltrinoCalling modprobe uhci-hcd && modprobe ehci-hcd in conjunction with udev should take care of all dependencies, and it seems to do so.11:06
jack_deltrinoBut lsusb doesn't display them.11:07
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CarlFKwow11:08
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CarlFKwhere can I post a scrip that does 20mb of wget  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/.... and then boots it in qemu, which demonstrates 2 things that may be bugs ?11:10
jack_deltrinoIn addition, GDM displays a funky white rectangle at the top of my monitor and fails to display anything else.11:10
jack_deltrinoI'm going to install Edgy and if problems persist, I really have no clue what's going on.11:10
AndyCRjack_deltrino: what computer? works fine with me11:10
jack_deltrinoAndyCR: What do you mean "what computer"?11:10
jack_deltrinoAndyCR: I can give you a device list. Let me install something like lshw and give you the output of that if you really want.11:11
jack_deltrinoThis isn't a developer channel right?11:11
AndyCRjack: what motherboard, rather, sorry11:11
AndyCRi imagine its some sort of chipset compatibility issue11:11
CarlFKjack_deltrino: u+1 - general support for us hacks11:11
CarlFKu-devel is developer channel11:12
jack_deltrinoAndyCR: If it was a chipset compatilibity issue, it wouldn't work in Gentoo or Windows.11:12
AndyCRi mean with fiesty11:12
AndyCRa comptibility issue with feisty only11:12
jack_deltrinoI would have been fine with just not having USB not functional, but I can't even use X. After a couple hours of downloading all the ubuntu-desktop packages, I've got a right to be pissed.11:13
jack_deltrinoAndyCR: If that's the case, I sure hope April 19 brings in some positive changes.11:13
AndyCRjack_deltrino: same here, im having issues with feisty where firefox doesnt finish downloading anything over 10 megs most of the time11:15
jack_deltrinoAndyCR: Wow, seriously. The only reason I downloaded this awful version was that I thought that the switch between Feisty beta -> Feisty would be less painful than Edgy -> Feisty as Dapper -> Edgy was a horrible experience I don't even wish on my worst enemies.11:17
AndyCRwell, any version is less than ideal in beta11:17
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jack_deltrinoAndyCR: This is less than decent.11:18
jack_deltrinoIf X doesn't work and USB doesn't work, something is seriously wrong.11:18
AndyCRbut yeah, ive never tried to upgrade from one version of ubuntu to another11:18
AndyCRthats what i like about versions where there is no new version, just updates to packages11:18
jack_deltrinoAt least it's not like the early days of Ubuntu where people found serious vulnerabilities in stuff like coreutils.11:18
AndyCR*distros11:18
soweto76network-manager does not support newer madwifi cards.  One can now remove network-manager as it is no longer linked to ubuntu-desktop. FWIW11:18
AndyCRsoweto76: what will feisty use for networking in the final release?11:19
AndyCRyeah, networkmanager seems to hate my card :/11:19
jack_deltrinoI know REVU isn't getting any serious attention either.11:19
peciskAndyCR: network-manager11:19
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AndyCRpecisk: i hope they get it working with intel pro/wireless 3945 cards11:19
AndyCRbefore release11:20
jack_deltrinoI've submitted a few packages that haven't even been commented on once. I thought it was just me, but then I saw about 60 other packages in the same situation.11:20
peciskAndyCR: 3945 didn't required some kind of binary daemon?11:20
AndyCRyes11:20
AndyCRsadly11:20
jack_deltrinoIt requires a binary daemon just to run a wireless card...?11:20
AndyCRyep11:20
jack_deltrinoWow.11:20
AndyCRdidnt know that before i bought the laptop11:20
peciskAndyCR: it doesn't work? I have several guys who are using them with Feisty just fine11:20
AndyCRdarn intel11:20
jack_deltrinoI thought Intel was usually good about a lot of this stuff.11:20
jack_deltrinoe100 just works. Same with i810.11:20
jack_deltrinoExcept on this box, the i810 doesn't seem to like Feisty.11:21
peciskjack_deltrino: to control frequency stuff11:21
AndyCRpecisk: really? nope, fails to associate11:21
jack_deltrinopecisk: That can't be done in a stateful manner?11:21
soweto76andrew, network-manager may also be broken in general but it does not support an Atheros  AR5005G.11:21
peciskjack_deltrino: depends on card11:21
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AndyCRme? im not using an atheros card11:21
AndyCRah sorry11:21
jack_deltrinopecisk: Mm, don't know it well enough, but it seems strange.11:21
AndyCRwrong person11:21
soweto76AndyCR,  network-manager may also be broken in general but it does not support an Atheros  AR5005G.11:21
Arkofound solution11:22
AndyCRsoweto76: im using an intel card11:22
Arkoalias sudo='command sudo '11:22
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jack_deltrinoI can't stand the idiocy of #ubuntu. I've never gotten any help in that channel.11:22
soweto76AndyCR, take a look at the network-manager web site to see if your hardware is supported.11:22
peciskjack_deltrino: it is not that bad, altought it is way too crowded11:22
jack_deltrinopecisk: People only seem to call !commands and ask stupid questions.11:23
peciskafaik to be supported by network-manager drivers should support some kind of API11:23
pecisknot sure which one11:23
soweto76AndyCR, or just try remove network-manager and see if it helps. :)11:23
AndyCRsoweto76: yep, says it works11:23
AndyCRSupports unencrypted, WEP, WPA, and WPA2 networks.11:23
AndyCRsoweto76: i would LIKE to be able to use networkmanager11:24
jack_deltrinoWow. "is Ubuntu 7.04 Beta the lastest stable? or should I stick with edgy?"11:24
peciskjack_deltrino: yeah, I know, people who don't even google before plumming in channel to ask are so many11:24
AndyCRim friends with it if its friends with my card :)11:24
soweto76AndyCR, pay attention to the versions/revision number if any.  Older madwifi Atheros cards are supported.11:24
peciskAndyCR: I had problems with several wifis too, so I guess it have been general problems too11:25
AndyCRsoweto76: I don't have an Atheros card. I used to, and loved it since it Just Worked with everything, but now I have an Intel card11:25
peciskAndyCR: tried launchpad.net?11:25
soweto76AndyCR, I never figured out what network-manager was for eh.  ;)11:25
peciskAndyCR: to search for a bug11:25
AndyCRyeah11:25
AndyCRno bugs11:25
AndyCRsimilar bug, but not identical11:25
peciskAndyCR: then why don't report one?11:25
AndyCRand different in that he could actually connect11:25
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peciskAndyCR: which one?11:25
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AndyCRill find it11:26
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jarlejack_deltrino: Stay with edgy a couple of weeks more until the final feisty is out..11:26
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AndyCRpecisk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/8323511:26
ubotuMalone bug 83235 in network-manager "DHCP IP lease fails (ipw3945)" [Medium,Confirmed] 11:26
AndyCRheh yep11:26
AndyCRuseful bot11:27
peciskWhat I think ubuntu should have is moderated channel for sane people to asking help, where moderator would paste in questions from users and would gave answers11:27
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AndyCRgood idea11:27
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peciskAndyCR: it smells like my problem with bcm wifi11:28
peciskAndyCR: got list of ap, connecting, providing password but dhcp fails11:29
peciskmaybe it is bug in network-manager11:29
AndyCRyeah11:29
peciskAndyCR: I would suggest to fill bug definitely11:29
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AndyCRmaybe i should get a new version of network-manager and try compiling it manually and installing it11:30
AndyCRpecisk: i would fill a bug but i dont know what to provide11:30
AndyCRim a 5 year old user, yet a newbie :/11:30
AndyCRi couldnt tell you where on earth my system log was11:30
peciskAndyCR: follow that bug11:30
soweto76I'm betting on network-manager as the culprit.  Try removing it and see if it helps.11:30
peciskAndyCR: lspci, dmesg, then log of network-manager11:30
AndyCRfollow that bug? not sure what you mean11:30
peciskstuff11:30
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AndyCRsoweto76: how would removing it help me with it? the problem is with networkmanager, so how can i fix it by not having it?11:31
AndyCRpecisk: where is the network-manager log?11:31
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Wechnerhello, I am trying to setup bitlbee here on my newly installed Ubuntu 7.04 . I have installed xinetd and bitlbee has an entry in /etc/xinetd.conf but I cannot connect to it. What goes wrong here?11:31
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soweto76AndyCR, To get my network up I had to either remove network-manager or use "sudo /etc/init.d/networing restart" to get connected.11:32
peciskAndyCR: it dumps it's log to /var/log/syslog or to dmesg11:32
AndyCRpecisk: ok, thanks11:33
peciskAndyCR: try to grep both with NetworkManager11:33
soweto76AndyCR, at one point network-manager could not be removed without removing ubuntu-desktop but that dependency had now been changed.11:33
pecisksoweto76: why not finding out why Network Manager fails first? :) He can remove it anytime :)11:33
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soweto76pecisk, Great idea.  I was not capable of figuring that out.  However, removing it might help point to network-manager as the problem.11:35
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peciskAndyCR: any success? :)11:37
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BrandonBWhen I boot kernel image 2.6.20-14-generic the boot up freezes with a line 174.404000, just after "loading acpi"11:40
BrandonBany thoughts?11:40
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BrandonBI have had this problem on my Acer 1410 ever since the release of image 1311:40
peciskBrandonB: ACPI problems11:40
peciskadd acpi=off11:41
stefgBrandonB: /j #ubuntu+1... 2.6.20 -14 is troublesome for reasons11:41
aaroncampbellhas anyone tried using zend platform with (K)ubuntu Feisty?11:41
BrandonBits a laptop, I really cant do much without it...11:41
BrandonB:-(11:41
stefgBrandonB: so don't use a beta11:41
BrandonBfair response, but I have never been able to get any fewer releases to install11:42
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AndyCRnot yet11:44
AndyCRturns out i have the latest version11:44
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peter77I've found some drivers on the intel site for my Mobile intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset11:45
stefgBrandonB: you can still boot -13 or -12. They are still there and accessible when you press 'esc' at bootup (as the prompt indicates)11:45
peter77but it says that only suse is supported!11:45
peter77does that mean install on any other distro at own risk?11:45
AndyCRpeter77: bah, probably has something to do with the novell deal.....11:46
AndyCRi wouldnt pay much attention11:46
peter77lol, I just don't want to mess up my system11:46
AndyCR?11:46
AndyCRmess up?11:46
peciskpeter77: do you need graphics drivers or what?11:46
AndyCRits not going to damage your hardware because your running a different distro11:46
peter77yeah11:46
peter77not hardware, OS11:47
peciskAndyCR: you have all updates mentioned in that bug? It could be DHCP problem11:47
BrandonB stefg: I can boot 12 but what happens when they release the final version? will I be out of luck?11:47
peciskAndyCR: try to do "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager" and paste results to pastebin.ca - if there is any11:48
stefgBrandonB: you can update to the then released kernel... -14 isn't the one which will be in the final release as i guess (won't boot for me, too)11:48
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XamDMhow can i get the uuid of a device ???11:49
AndyCRpecisk: i have the version he mentions updating to11:49
stefgsudo vol_id /dev/foo11:49
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AndyCRpecisk: http://pastebin.ca/42761411:50
XamDMstefg, thx11:51
AndyCRApr 6 15:36:30 eclipse NetworkManager: <information>^Iwpa_supplicant(9473): Trying to associate with 00:15:05:24:1f:15 (SSID='acr' freq=0 MHz)  Apr 6 15:36:33 eclipse NetworkManager: <information>^IActivation (eth1/wireless): association took too long (>120s), failing activation.11:51
AndyCRmight be relevant11:51
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AndyCR(near the end)11:53
peciskAndyCR: no, it is not DHCP bug11:53
peciskhmmmm11:53
peter77"ensure x-server is not currently running"?11:54
peciskAndyCR: first google hit http://www.nabble.com/ipw3945-fails-to-associate-t3512660.html11:55
aaroncampbellI'm trying to build a debian package like this: aaroncampbell@aaron-linux:~$ dpkg -b magicolor2430DL-1.5.0 but I keep getting dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `magicolor2430DL-1.5.0/DEBIAN/control' near line 7: missing package name11:55
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soweto76pecisk, look what I got eh: http://pastebin.ca/42762011:55
aaroncampbellthe control file it's talking about: http://paste-bin.com/1136011:56
AndyCRpecisk: thats certainly relevant, but doesnt provide a solution.. wonder if there is one11:58
AndyCRi hope there is :/11:58
peciskAndyCR: remove Network Manager and try to connect with iwtools11:58
AndyCRlike iwconfig?11:58
peciskAndyCR: it will give complete picture if it is Network Manager bug and worth reporting11:58
peciskAndyCR: yep11:58
AndyCRthat works fine, and is what im using now11:59
soweto76AndyCR, after removing network-manager I did not have to do anything in my special case11:59
AndyCRsoweto76: it works fine with iwtools when i remove network-manager, minus dropped downloads11:59
AndyCR*WITHOUT removing network-manager11:59
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peciskAndyCR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/8909212:01
ubotuMalone bug 89092 in network-manager "Unable to connect to an open network, wlassistant can connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 12:01
peciskit is similar to mine and your bug12:01
peciskAndyCR: question - network you are trying to connect to is open or crypted?12:02
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soothsay_Can anyone tell me how to bridge a wireless connection to a wireline (i.e. internet connection sharing)?12:03
AndyCRpecisk: encrypted, wep12:03
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peciskAndyCR: so, in nutshell, without networkmanager, wifi works, with it, it doesn't12:05
peciskright?12:05
AmyRoseThe nvidia-legacy driver with my GeForce 4 causes X to segfault!12:06
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BrandonBI got bumped and didnt know it...12:08
zemomy xfree 86 kinda flashes12:08
zemowhat up with that12:08
zemodid i set one of those #s wrong12:08
soweto76AmyRose, take a look on x.org for specific info re your graphics card as described by lspci12:08
AmyRosesomebody__: I installed nvidia's 9631 driver...12:09
BrandonBFYI I have reported the ACPI problem as  Bug #96784 in launchpad12:09
AmyRose*soweto76:12:09
ubotuMalone bug 96784 in Ubuntu "installed updates today at about 10:30pm EDT, Ubuntu will not boot, fails on line 50.884000" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9678412:09
jarrett Hello, does anyone know of a good guide to configure the Logitech Mx510 under Feisty?12:09
AndyCRpecisk: yes12:10
jarrett=)12:10
AmyRosesoweto76: I'm not a newbie. I'm saying this because someone told me I should use that with my Geforce 4 until the 96xx drivers get packaged for Ubuntu12:10
soweto76AmyRose, Have you already tried nvidia-glx  --  not "legacy"12:11
AmyRosesoweto76: Duh.12:11
AmyRosesoweto76: They don't support the GeForce 4 in the new one12:12
AmyRoseI get a message in Xorg.0.log saying that they don't support my card anymore12:12
soweto76AmyRose, sorry about that12:13
jarrettAndyCR, was that yes to me?12:13
AndyCRjarrett: no12:13
AmyRosesoweto76: I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated because people keep giving me the same suggestions when the only solution is to bypass the restricted modules package and install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com12:13
soweto76AmyRose, my GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x is supported by the legacy version12:14
AmyRosesoweto76: Mine just causes X to segfault.12:14
AmyRosesoweto76: I'm using a GeForce 4 420 Go in my laptop12:15
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josh__anybody around?12:15
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AmyRosesoweto76: And I like being able to use Beryl ;P12:15
sF_i've got a problem with ubuntu detecting my ide harddrives (not SATA, ATA) as scsi12:16
sF_i THINK this is a udev problem12:16
AmyRosesF_: That's because Linux 2.6.19 and later use new IDE drivers that list everything as SCSI12:16
soweto76AmyRose, That's a bummer, sorry I could not be of more help.12:16
sF_but i can't figure out how to convince udev to make my ide block devices IDE and not scsi12:16
AmyRosesF_: See my comment above12:17
sF_hrm12:17
sF_well i can't set my hd parms correctly right?12:17
sF_since sdparm doesn't have the same functionality?12:17
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sF_cause i'm getting HORRIBLE performance out of them12:17
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AmyRosesF_: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=54109412:18
sF_thx AmyRose12:18
AmyRosesF_: Sorry it doesn't have a solution, but it does explain the problem12:18
AmyRosesoweto76: It's not really a bummer because it works fine if I blacklist the nvidia drivers in /etc/defaults/linux-restricted-modules-common12:19
sF_*sigh* great12:19
sF_guess i might downgrade kernels :(12:19
AmyRosesF_: Did you just try hdparm on them?12:20
sF_yeah, no go12:20
AmyRosedarn12:20
AmyRoseYou may be able to downgrade the drivers12:20
AmyRosebut I don't know12:20
sF_they're WD drives (i'll never use anything else cept maybe a seagate cheetah :P) so i need to lower the maxsectio12:20
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sF_among other things12:20
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guillem101I've installed feisty at a new laptop. Everything is almost OK, but the machine stops a while during the boot process at "configuring network interfaces". The stop is of about 30-40sec. Any ideas?12:22
AmyRoseguillem101: /etc/network/interfaces has a bunch of junk in it. Remove it12:24
AmyRoseguillem101: A recent update threw a bunch of junk into that file12:24

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