[12:34] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4063 /kubuntu/firefox-startpage/kindex-de.html: German Kubuntu FF startpage
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #103549 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[02:55] <Susana> hi, since the importing of ubuntu-docs starts today, i would just like to point out bug 103549 where a private comment is made in a string
[02:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 103549 in ubuntu-docs "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[04:11] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[10:00] <shirish> any wiki writers here?
[11:07] <mdke> morning
[11:20] <mdke> morning
[11:20] <mdke> ouch, damn scrollback
[11:21] <mdke> nixternal: damn, that's a nasty bug. Is that in kubuntu too?
[11:31] <mdke> Gwaihir: I'm going to try and fix that xreflabel stuff; I *think* that it can be done without any string changes
[11:33] <Gwaihir> mdke: that would be great!
[11:34] <Gwaihir> mdke: what about the internal link to GNOME guide?
[11:35] <mdke> Gwaihir: doing that now too, no string change
[11:36] <Gwaihir> wonderful!
[11:36] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4064 /ubuntu/ (20 files in 20 dirs):
[11:36] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * fixing internal link in newtoubuntu to enable localisations - bug 103308
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 103308 in ubuntu-docs "newtoubuntu documents has link to English version of user-guide rather than localised version" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103308
[11:37] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * removing embarassing aside from basic-commands - bug 103549
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 103549 in ubuntu-docs "Possible private comment in basic-commands in Ubuntu Feisty package "ubuntu-docs"" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549
[11:37] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: * refreshing pot files
[11:37] <mdke> there is a string change in basic-commands though, I'll post to -translators now
[11:37] <Gwaihir> ok... i'll check launchpad...
[11:39] <mdke> I didn't upload it yet
[11:39] <Gwaihir> I see :)
[11:40] <Gwaihir> but I'll refresh the page once in a while ;)
[11:40] <mdke> ok
[11:43] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4065 /ubuntu/ (18 files in 18 dirs): removing erroneous xreflabels from windows doc, no string changes
[11:44] <mdke> Gwaihir: ^^
[11:45] <Gwaihir> mdke:
[11:45] <Gwaihir> uplaoded?
[11:45] <mdke> that's our svn
[11:45] <Gwaihir> ok
[11:47] <mdke> I've also uploaded the basic-commands.pot to rosetta, I don't know how long it takes to import it though
[11:48] <Gwaihir> how much time do we have before the freeze?
[11:48] <mdke> I dunno
[11:48] <mdke> it depends on when I have time to download the translations
[11:48] <mdke> I'll do it tomorrow I think
[11:49] <mdke> I can't really leave it until later because I'll be too busy after that
[11:50] <Gwaihir> ok
[11:55] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r4066 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updating with my changes to branches/feisty
[11:57] <Gwaihir> I'm going for lunch,,, see you later!
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #103663 in ubuntu-docs (main) "typo in basic-commands.xml" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103663
[02:59] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4067 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu-C.omf: we need this back... it's broken the panel entry
[03:01] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4068 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/ (C/about-ubuntu-C.omf about-ubuntu-C.omf about-ubuntu.pot): moving omf file to the right place, refreshing pot template
[03:06] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4069 /ubuntu/about-ubuntu/ (160 files in 80 dirs): refreshing translations to add omf files
[03:08] <CIA-12> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4070 /ubuntu/get-pot.sh: simplify this script
[03:24] <nixternal> mdke: the personal note to self bug?
[03:24] <nixternal> or the preparing.xml bug :)
[03:25] <nixternal> the preparing one is nasty, but if you remember you and LaserJock told me about how evil xreflabels were, so I replaced everyone of them in Kubuntu docs
[03:26] <mdke> nixternal: the former.
[03:26] <nixternal> ya, I don't have either of those files, so Kubuntu is good
[03:27] <nixternal> my nasty bug right now is "the the" :)
[03:27] <nixternal> I am not even worried about fixing that in feisty
[03:28] <mdke> no, not a biggie
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #103769 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Bad translations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103769
[06:56] <nemphis> hi all
[06:56] <nemphis> i've a little question
[06:57] <osg> hi
[06:58] <nemphis> under which licence are the community docs (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation) available?
[07:03] <osg> Not sure.
[07:03] <osg> I could not find anything by searching for license or related terms.
[07:04] <nemphis> osg: me too
[07:08] <nemphis> osg: i found something about the licence on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License, but i'm not sure whether it applies to the community docs also.
[07:12] <osg> Looks like you found your answer.
[07:31] <nemphis> osg: ok. thanks for your help.
[07:31] <nemphis> good bye
[07:31] <osg> np
[07:31] <osg> heh
[09:06] <mdke> osg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing has the answer
[09:30] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:31] <mdke> ello there LaserJock
[09:31] <mdke> all well?
[09:32] <LaserJock> I suppose
[09:32] <LaserJock> I'm home sick
[09:32] <mdke> how come?
[09:32] <LaserJock> I've got a cold
[09:33] <mdke> I mean, why aren't you home?
[09:33] <LaserJock> I am
[09:33] <mdke> ah
[09:33] <mdke> "I'm home, sick" as opposed to "I'm homesick"
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm at home, sick
[09:33] <mdke> doh
[09:33] <LaserJock> sorry
[09:33] <mdke> my bad :)
[09:33] <mdke> get better soon
[09:34] <LaserJock> I think I managed to get edubuntu-docs in decent shape with sbalneav's help
[09:34] <mdke> right
[09:34] <mdke> by the way, I just got your email to the list about that today...
[09:34] <mdke> it was dated quite a bit earlier, must be some list issues still
[09:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:34] <mdke> I'll request an account for him
[09:34] <LaserJock> I just got it too
[09:35] <LaserJock> I think it was part of the lists.ubuntu.com problems lately
[09:35] <LaserJock> that would be greatly appreciated
[09:35] <LaserJock> I even managed to get some .pots up
[09:36] <mdke> cool
[09:36] <LaserJock> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/edubuntu-docs/+pots/
[09:36] <mdke> nice job
[09:36] <LaserJock> obviously not a lot of time for translation
[09:36] <LaserJock> but the system's all there
[09:36] <mdke> plenty of time for updates
[09:36] <mdke> and next release will be super :)
[09:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:36] <LaserJock> your yelp patch works wonderfully :-)
[09:36] <mdke> good
[09:36] <LaserJock> that's a big help
[09:37] <mdke> I've broken the about-ubuntu panel entry with the last ubuntu-docs upload ;)
[09:37] <mdke> seems that it needs the omf file to work
[09:37] <LaserJock> uh oh :-)
[09:37] <mdke> simple fix, fortunately
[09:38] <LaserJock> man, I've realized a lot with edubuntu-docs how difficult all this stuff is
[09:38] <LaserJock> translations, yelp frontpage, etc.
[09:38] <mdke> naahhh
[09:38] <mdke> I would have thought the rest of Ubuntu is a lot harder!
[09:39] <LaserJock> I guess it depends
[09:39] <mdke> what's edubuntu-about.desktop?
[09:39] <LaserJock> I'll still think packaging "normal" stuff is easier
[09:39] <LaserJock> that's the About Edubuntu menu entry
[09:39] <LaserJock> it sits next to the About Ubuntu one
[09:39] <mdke> that doesn't get done in gnome-panel?
[09:39] <LaserJock> nope
[09:39] <mdke> how is the Ubuntu one translated?
[09:40] <LaserJock> it's included in the gnome-panel translation
[09:40] <LaserJock> the problem is that if it was in gnome-panel then it'd show up on Ubuntu user's machines too
[09:40] <mdke> hmm
[09:40] <mdke> oh, right
[09:40] <mdke> good job with that :)
[09:41] <LaserJock> and since it's part of Edubuntu docs I figured we should just do it
[09:41] <LaserJock> sooo, I had to figure out how to do it
[09:41] <LaserJock> so I got seb128 to add in a patch to gnome-panel to show it if edubuntu-docs was installed
[09:41] <mdke> although, the about-ubuntu entry only shows up if ubuntu-docs is installed, so it probably wouldn't be a problem to have it in gnome-panel too
[09:42] <LaserJock> and then manually made a pot for it
[09:42] <LaserJock> mdke: true, I just figured it made more sense to keep it in edubuntu-docs
[09:42] <LaserJock> I don't like having stuff scattered around
[09:42] <LaserJock> it's more difficult for people to find
[09:42] <mdke> probably more sensible than the way about-ubuntu is done
[09:43] <mdke> it can't take the string from an existing one, like the omf file?
[09:43] <mdke> to save you having a separate pot template
[09:43] <LaserJock> hmmm
[09:43] <LaserJock> there are only 2 strings in it
[09:44] <LaserJock> 1 is a dup, since it's just "About Edubuntu"
[09:44] <LaserJock> but the other one is probably not
[09:44] <LaserJock> but yeah, I hadn't thought of grabing the string from somewhere else
[09:44] <LaserJock> although ...
[09:44] <LaserJock> the cool think about the .desktop is I don't have to bring the translations back in
[09:45] <LaserJock> the translations will go into the lang packs
[09:45] <mdke> ah, nice yeah
[09:45] <mdke> but then again, you have to do it for the omf file anyway ;)
[09:45] <LaserJock> so I just install the English file
[09:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:47] <LaserJock> this translation stuff is still very new to me
[09:48] <LaserJock> I wish I was even the slightest bit bilingual
[09:49] <mdke> I'm not sure that's possible
[09:49] <mdke> :p
[09:53] <LaserJock> I gotta try to get some Spanish in before UDS ;-)
[09:53] <nixternal> uno mas por favor
[09:54] <LaserJock> hehe, I know that one
[09:54] <nixternal> ya, Mexico is my second home, and I took Spanish in highschool and grew up around latinos, so I can understand it and speak a lil bit
[09:54] <mdke> nixternal from the block
[09:55] <nixternal> haha yes
[09:55] <nixternal> in my ghetto, or hood
[09:55] <LaserJock> well, I didn't grow up with a lot of "diversity" in the backwoods of Montana
[09:55] <j0hndeere> yo quiero tacos
[09:55] <nixternal> oh no you didn't
[09:55] <j0hndeere> ...that's about all the Espanol I know.
[09:55] <LaserJock> but here in Nevada there's a lot of Spanish speakers
[09:55] <nixternal> man, I have a talk to give at UIC tomorrow, and then I somehow got involved in the battle of the distros
[09:56] <LaserJock> sweet
[09:56] <nixternal> my botd though, my starting line will own um all
[09:56] <LaserJock> Ubuntu vs * ?
[09:56] <nixternal> Fedora, SUSE, Gentoo, Linspire, Slackware...
[09:56] <nixternal> Fedora and them will hit the "Ubuntu isn't FREE"
[09:56] <nixternal> so because of that, I have the "who in here has a ton of mp3's? uses and loves Google?"
[09:57] <nixternal> you know all of those who use the Ubuntu is not FREE will raise their hands
[09:57] <nixternal> as soon as they do, they are toast, it works every time
[09:57] <j0hndeere> the linux distros need to call off their own bickering if they wish to not be crushed by microsoft, IMO
[09:57] <LaserJock> Ubuntu's as Free as you want it to be
[09:57] <LaserJock> that's the coolest part
[09:57] <nixternal> this time though I have to start out with "my apologies for this one Chris" as DiBona will be there watchin'
[09:58] <nixternal> there will be no crushing by Microsoft. What Linux distros need to do is continue the bickering, but get rid of the mindset that Linux will not be mainstream
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'd think Suse would be the only big competition
[09:58] <nixternal> the bickering leads to improvements. you want to see bickering, work with Microsoft for a week
[09:58] <LaserJock> Fedora just doesn't work very well
[09:58] <nixternal> well, Fedora 7 is nice
[09:58] <LaserJock> Gentoo takes too much time
[09:59] <LaserJock> Slackware is a throw-back
[09:59] <LaserJock> and Linspire ...
[09:59] <nixternal> hey now, Slackware will always be my favorite I think
[09:59] <nixternal> hehe
[09:59] <nixternal> ya, I am going to do "and Linspire..." and just start laughing hard
[10:00] <nixternal> I doubt anyone will be batteling for Linspire, but what I may do is say "Linspire, it is OK, let papa Ubuntu take you under our wing"
[10:00] <LaserJock> I've never tried Slackware, and probably never will
[10:00] <nixternal> ya, it takes some work
[10:00] <nixternal> but making a tgz is a heck of a lot easier than making .deb
[10:01] <LaserJock> yeah, but that's why people like me exist
[10:01] <nixternal> see, another thing people tend to forget about with Ubuntu, is we fulfill 4 niches
[10:01] <nixternal> no other distro does that
[10:01] <LaserJock> to make the .debs for people
[10:01] <nixternal> good, you can start making my .debs :)
[10:02] <nixternal> we fulfill 4 niches ootb with 3 DEs
[10:02] <LaserJock> I said for "people" not Chitown distro mobsters ;-)
[10:02] <nixternal> haha
[10:03] <nixternal> tomorrow is going to be classic, we have a couple of hundred people meeting up at the 2600 hacking location, then walking over gangster style
[10:03] <nixternal> Ubuntu representation right now at the event, is easily 50 to 1
[10:03] <LaserJock> "Ya gonna use Ubuntu, or I'll hav Tony here wack ya"
[10:03] <nixternal> my eyes in the sky are like this is an Ubuntu event, nobody cares about anything else
[10:03] <nixternal> it is whack btw ;p
[10:04] <nixternal> someone corrected me not even 2 hours ago
[10:04] <LaserJock> well, I was going to say "ice ya" that would have been better
[10:04] <nixternal> hahah
[10:04] <nixternal> the only thing I have yet to figure out, is with my laptop, native is 1280x800
[10:05] <nixternal> when I do presentations, the output is the same, and a majority of projectors don't display the entire screen
[10:05] <nixternal> I have tried to setup both Ubuntu and Kubuntu to display on the 2nd monitor at 1024x768 and it just will not do it
[10:06] <LaserJock> so can you switch your laptop to 1024x768?
[10:06] <nixternal> yup
[10:06] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:06] <nixternal> I could do that and live with the ugliness I guess
[10:06] <nixternal> I will have to try that now
[10:44] <bdmurray> nixternal: you might ask kees he has a wide screen laptop and uses a projector with it
[10:47] <LaserJock> yikes, bdmurray is everywhere :-)
[10:48] <bdmurray> only 15 places atm