[12:25] <guillem101> AmyRose: What do I remove, the file or the junk?
[12:26] <guillem101> AmyRose: further... is that expected to be solved at any update soon?
[12:27] <AmyRose> guillem101: you should remove just the junk
[12:27] <AmyRose> and I have no idea whether this is going to be fixed or not
[12:27] <soweto76> guillem101, I think AmyRose is suggesting that there are many devices listed therein which may slow things down but I am not sure.
[12:27] <AmyRose> soweto76: Yeah, that's it.
[12:28] <guillem101> AmyRose: the problem is that I'm not sure what I should remove :-P
[12:28] <sF_> amyrose
[12:28] <guillem101> AmyRose: nm, I will give it a try...
[12:29] <guillem101> thanks for your help
[12:29] <AmyRose> guillem101: If you use network manager, remove everything except the "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
[12:29] <sF_> it's actually the ubuntu team that changed it
[12:29] <sF_> not the kernel devs
[12:29] <guillem101> AmyRose: I use network manager. I will backup the file and give a try to what you are saying. Thank-you very much
[12:29] <soweto76> guillem101, network-manager is not always pleasing these days either.
[12:29] <jarrett> How do i configure the back and forward buttons to work on my Logitech Mx510?
[12:29] <AmyRose> guillem101: you're welcome
[12:30] <Stormx2> Okay. i'm no longer getting any input from my line-in.
[12:30] <AmyRose> soweto76: Thanks to network-manager I don't have to touch anything to get on the Internet at home now :D
[12:30] <Stormx2> As of feisty, that is.
[12:30] <pecisk> AndyCR: have time to fill bug to launchpad.net? I can try to asist
[12:30] <AmyRose> sF_: The ubuntu devs chose to use the new drivers. The kernel team made them though.
[12:31] <guillem101> soweto76: network-manager also works OK for me...
[12:31] <soweto76> AmyRose, zero config is the goal for sure.  My wifi card however is not supported by network-manager, so I wondered about that.
[12:31] <guillem101> except for the wait at booting... which I hope to solve
[12:31] <sF_> AmyRose: i'm not trying to be argumentative, but if they can "choose", then they weren't "made to" :P
[12:31] <AmyRose> soweto76: It does NOT work at my college though, where I have to use a script to call wpa_supplicant
[12:31] <AmyRose> sF_: I didn't say that. I just said that Linux 2.6.19 had new drivers
[12:32] <gourdin> I keep loosing my wifi
[12:32] <gourdin> is it acpi ?
[12:32] <gourdin> how do I configure it to not shut down the wifi
[12:33] <AmyRose> gourdin: Huh?
[12:33] <gourdin> AmyRose: since 2 update
[12:33] <gourdin> feisty keep loosing my wifi network
[12:34] <gourdin> nothing in messages
[12:34] <AmyRose> gourdin: How do you connect?
[12:34] <Askar> I need help printing on a networkprinter..its shared in winxp
[12:34] <gourdin> AmyRose: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "XXX"
[12:34] <gourdin> sudo iwconfig eth1 key XXXXX
[12:34] <AmyRose> gourdin: I think network manager might be disconnecting you
[12:34] <gourdin> sudo dhclient eth1
[12:35] <gourdin> network manager ?!
[12:35] <gourdin> what is that ? :)
[12:35] <AmyRose> gourdin: It's supposed to make wifi easier
[12:35] <gourdin> ho
[12:35] <soweto76> gourdin, cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager
[12:35] <gourdin> it kill mine ;)
[12:35] <AmyRose> gourdin: but if you configure manually, it will just keep disconnecting you
[12:35] <gourdin> AmyRose: thanks
[12:35] <fuoco> how do i get java in feisty, is there a way to get the open source sun java as runtime for the browser ?
[12:35] <gourdin> how do I use it to configure my wifi ?
[12:35] <gourdin> knetmngr ? :)
[12:36] <AmyRose> gourdin: Yes, there should be a tray icon for it
[12:36] <gourdin> I killed it loooong ago
[12:36] <gourdin> I'm running it right now
[12:36] <gourdin> thx for the clue
[12:36] <AmyRose> gourdin: You're welcome
[12:37] <guillem101> Yes!
[12:37] <AmyRose> guillem101: Happy now?
[12:37] <guillem101> AmyRose: very!
[12:37] <guillem101> This laptop is amazing -now-.
[12:37] <pecisk> fuoco: Applications => Add/Remove...
[12:38] <pecisk> fuoco: try to search for java there
[12:42] <Stormx2> After an upgrade, Sound Recorder gives me this: "Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings.". I can play music fine, and my microphone appears to work. Capturing doesn't seem to work though?
[12:44] <pecisk> Stormx2: fishy, seems it can't use gstreamer src
[12:44] <Stormx2> I have it selected as Mic
[12:45] <Stormx2> I'll try closing off some potential sound-using apps. Maybe I should try restarting alsa after that? I dont know how.
[12:45] <pecisk> wonderfull, I have no channels to select at all
[12:46] <Stormx2> Ah
[12:46] <Stormx2> I found the problem
[12:46] <Stormx2> lircd was whoring the capture-ness
[12:46] <Stormx2> I need to figure out why my home-built IR device isn't working now :)
[12:47] <ShackJack> Semi Feisty-related question - when booting up I often notice the notification "balloons" appear in the upper left of my screen rather than in the lower right of my screen when my gnome panel notification area is. Is this a glitch or does this have to be configured somewhere?
[12:47] <Stormx2> ShackJack: Has the notification area loaded when this happens?
[12:47] <ShackJack> Hmmm... no it doesn't seem so most of the time..
[12:48] <Stormx2> It seems the tape that held it together has come off xD
[12:48] <Stormx2> I don't know, ShackJack. File a bug?
[12:50] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'll see if one's filed - though you're right - how would the thing know where to place the balloon until the notification area is loaded...  Maybe it should just wait until it's loaded... Heck - what if the person doesn't have a notification area configured at all in GNOME :)
[12:50] <Stormx2> Well yeah
[12:50] <Stormx2> Thats what I mean
[12:50] <Stormx2> When mine isn't loaded, some apps get confused
[12:51] <Stormx2> What balloons do you get at startup though?
[12:51] <Stormx2> (I fixed my lirc, yaaay)
[12:51] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'll do a search first - is that what you would call that a "baloon"
[12:51] <Stormx2> Yeah
[12:51] <Stormx2> I don't think it would be a tooltip
[12:51] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'm prompted for a p/w and then the baloon will come up notifying me I'm connected to a network..
[12:51] <Stormx2> Maybe a popup... hmm
[12:52] <Stormx2> Ah
[12:52] <Stormx2> I see.
[12:52] <ShackJack> Not quite a bug, just maked the experience slightly "unpolished" :)
[12:52] <Stormx2> Hmm
[12:52] <Stormx2> This app, how does it load on startup?
[12:52] <ShackJack> Ever so slightly :)
[12:52] <Stormx2> Is it in your sessions?
[12:53] <ShackJack> It's the network manager thing I suppose...
[12:53] <ShackJack> In the sessions...
[12:54] <ShackJack>  - /usr/bin/nm-applet --sm-disable
[12:54] <Stormx2> If you're fussed about it, there must be some way of checking whether the panels have loaded fully
[12:54] <Stormx2> You could write a script to load it after after the notification area is loaded
[12:54] <ShackJack> Not really - was just trying to get a concensus if it were a common problem...
[12:55] <Stormx2> Otherwise, I'd ask in #gnome maybe?
[12:55] <Stormx2> Mmm
[12:55] <Stormx2> Well I don't have any apps which start up like that.
[12:55] <ShackJack> I'm not bugged about it, but like I said maybe I'll file a ticket... as it seems Ubuntu is interested in being a polished platform...
[12:55] <Stormx2> Indeed
[12:56] <ShackJack> Love Compiz on Feisty... I'm forced to run XGL/fglrx and was having performance issues with Beryl...
[12:56] <brucedes> what's up with the wireless driver in fawn? I have a macbook, and on os x wireless is perfect, but in feisty, it keeps disconnecting every 10 minutes
[12:56] <ShackJack> Compiz is smooth as all get out... Only thing I miss is the Emerald themes and my 3D window animations and bursting into flames!
[12:57] <Stormx2> ShackJack: Try having a pre-geforce nvidia card >.<
[12:57] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - how does compiz work on that?
[12:57] <Stormx2> Not at all/
[12:57] <Stormx2> ?
[12:57] <Stormx2> !wireless | brucedes
[12:57] <ubotu> brucedes: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:57] <ShackJack> Really? Not even wobbly windows :)
[12:57] <Stormx2> Nah
[12:57] <Stormx2> Well
[12:57] <Stormx2> it might do
[12:57] <Stormx2> I tried for a bit
[12:58] <Stormx2> You can run beryl though, you know?
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - It really adds a lot to the experience I thingk..
[12:58] <Stormx2> Well
[12:58] <Stormx2> It *might* run
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - sorry what do you mean? I can run beryl?
[12:58] <Stormx2> But I don't think it'd be worth it
[12:58] <brucedes> thanks stormx2
[12:58] <Stormx2> Just ignore that comment, I'm a bit confused
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - Gotcha - I run Beryl on my desktop which has AIGLX and Nvidia 7800Gs and it's smooth...
[12:59] <brucedes> btw, are there wine repositories for feisty? And if not, will the edgy repositories work?
[12:59] <Stormx2> brucedes: Wireless is a dodgy issue. Your card may be well documented, it may not even have a passing reference. Usually you'll be able to either reconfigure it so it doesn't d/c, or get some restricted drivers.
[12:59] <Stormx2> brucedes: I've got wine installed from the ubuntu repos. It has a few nice custom features added to the menus too.
[01:01] <brucedes> there, it just disconnected again >_>
[01:07] <baktaah> Does anyone else have wireless network issues in feisty?
[01:07] <baktaah> I can see my AP, but not connect to it :(
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: lot of people
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: same here
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: AP uses WPA, I guess?
[01:07] <baktaah> pecisk even though it says WEP?
[01:07] <baktaah> pecisk no Im on WEP (yes I know it sucks, I made an examwork on it)
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: nope, if it says that uses WEP, then it uses WP
[01:08] <baktaah> Does it say WEP but uses WPA?
[01:08] <pecisk> baktaah: do "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager" and pastebin.ca
[01:08] <pecisk> baktaah: no it was just a guess :)
[01:08] <pecisk> because there are several issues
[01:08] <winterborne> Anybody struggled with Trident Display drivers (eg, on a toshiba laptop?)
[01:08] <baktaah> Oh so it's a common flaw in fesity pecisk?
[01:09] <baktaah> pecisk can't have to boot the LIVE cd (got not connection then)
[01:09] <pecisk> baktaah: seem so, I think already heard four people complaining about that todya
[01:09] <baktaah> pecisk how should I fix it, should change my AP
[01:09] <baktaah> AP to use WPA?
[01:09] <pecisk> nope
[01:09] <pecisk> it should work with WEP better than with WPA, which is kinda ichy yet
[01:10] <baktaah> pecisk okay
[01:10] <Ashbringer> Hello, would anyone be able to tell me how I can use the latest binary image kernel I just downloaded as opposed to my custom-compiled one?
[01:10] <baktaah> Ashbringer it should show up in grub?
[01:10] <Ashbringer> Yes.
[01:10] <aaroncampbell> I just had something very strange happen to me.  I restarted, and my RAID (/dev/sdb) seemed to be in the wrong place (/dev/sda).  As such, /home didn't exist (it's on the RAID).  When I figured it out, I mounted it properly, modified /etc/fstab, and rebooted.  It was still broke...this time because it was back where it should have been (/dev/sdb).  So I again modified the fstab, and rebooted...it worked fine
[01:10] <Ashbringer> baktaah: it shows up in grub, but I auto-boot to my compiled one.
[01:10] <baktaah> so whats the issue Ashbringer ?
[01:11] <Ashbringer> I want to boot to the binary
[01:11] <baktaah> Ashbringer so remove it from grub?
[01:11] <Ashbringer> automatically, that is
[01:11] <aaroncampbell> When working on fstab, I see stuff like: # /dev/sda1 and on the following line: UUID=24ba1bdf-464b-49a8-ab62-2674edcdf731 ...
[01:11] <Ashbringer> If I edit menu.lst to have the binary one first, will that auto boot it?
[01:11] <baktaah> Ashbringer yes
[01:12] <Ashbringer> baktaah: thank you
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> is there a way to generate something like that for my RAID so that it doesn't matter where it is? (the items with UUID's mounted fine)
[01:13] <baktaah> Ashbringer np, good luck
[01:14] <Ashbringer> alright, so I've done that now, when I reboot, it'll auto-boot the first one in the list?
[01:14] <Stormx2> On the Beta page, it talks about a media codecs wizard. Where is this wizard?
[01:15] <blippe> Ashbringer: depends on the row starting with default in menu.lst
[01:15] <pecisk> Stormx2: when you try to play mp3, divx, whatever it gives you chance to install prioritary codecs
[01:15] <pecisk> if you haven't installed those codecs already
[01:16] <Ashbringer> blippe: what do you mean?
[01:16] <Arko> how to not start screensaver when using xine when in full screen?
[01:17] <Stormx2> pecisk: Ah. kk
[01:17] <Ashbringer> How should I edit the menu.lst to get a kernel to default boot?
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk hey u still here?
[01:18] <pecisk> Ashbringer: there is variable here, "default" and number which kernel you want to be as default
[01:18] <blippe> Ashbringer: there is an option called default in the menu.lst, check it out...
[01:18] <pecisk> baktaah: yes, but already trying to summarise and go to sleep
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk just hold on
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk is it possible to connect via wireless?=
[01:18] <Ashbringer> pecisk: the value for default is 0
[01:19] <pecisk> baktaah: it depends on card
[01:19] <baktaah> pecisk an realtek chipset
[01:19] <blippe> Ashbringer: it is preferable to use that options since menu.lst change automatically with updates
[01:19] <Ashbringer> pecisk: does that mean its the first entry on the list?
[01:19] <pecisk> Ashbringer: then it is first 0 - first, 1 - second, etc.
[01:19] <pecisk> Ashbringer: yes
[01:19] <pecisk> baktaah: there is bug reported based on that
[01:19] <Ashbringer> okay, thanks all, I'll reboot now and see if it works.
[01:19] <baktaah> pecisk did you say there was a way to fix it so it would work?
[01:20] <baktaah> pecisk becuase I didn't get it, what was the fault ,was it that the WEP was actualyl WPA, or what?
[01:20] <pecisk> baktaah: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/78037
[01:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 78037 in network-manager "rt2500 in feisty: problem & solution" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:21] <pecisk> baktaah: that wasn't a fault, i just made a guess. I guess solution will be much different
[01:21] <baktaah> pecisk roger that
[01:21] <peter77> how do I find out if I have any graphics drivers installed?
[01:21] <pecisk> baktaah: it is better to search for such problems first in launchpad.net, and if there is no bug reported, then do it yourself, that is why actually Feisty is released so frequently in herds and betas :)
[01:22] <baktaah> pecisk I can't report bugs without a connection
[01:22] <pecisk> baktaah: no wired network?
[01:22] <pecisk> I know it is kinda self-defeating ;)
[01:22] <baktaah> pecisk hehe yeah, no not 15 meters that I need
[01:23] <baktaah> but pecisk you just linked me the solution
[01:23] <pecisk> baktaah: that bug? :)
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo iwconfig ra0 essid xyz key 12345
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo ifconfig ra0 up
[01:23] <baktaah> would fix it
[01:23] <pecisk> baktaah: I hope it will help
[01:23] <pecisk> try
[01:23] <baktaah> pecisk me too ;) will do
[01:23] <pecisk> let's hope it will
[01:23] <ace> Hi again
[01:23] <baktaah> cya =) and thanks man
[01:23] <baktaah> thanks pecisk, cya
[01:23] <ace> can someone help me with my mouse
[01:23] <pecisk> np
[01:23] <pecisk> see ya too
[01:23] <ace> buttons and the scroll wheel don't work
[01:23] <pecisk> ou
[01:23] <pecisk> that's nasty
[01:24] <pecisk> ace: cursor moves?
[01:24] <ace> buttons 8 and 9 which worked perfectly in dapper and edgy (this morning)
[01:24] <pecisk> huh
[01:24] <ace> button 9 does the same thing as middle click, button 8 does the same as right click
[01:25] <ace> its totally messed up
[01:25] <pecisk> ace: upgraded to Feisty today?
[01:26] <ace> pecisk: yup
[01:26] <Ashbringer> It worked, thanks everyone
[01:26] <ace> A fresh install using the alternative installer disk for 7.04 beta, then i dist-upgraded it
[01:26] <ZeroZiat> This be ze channel for Feisty newbies?
[01:27] <PriceChild> ZeroZiat, feisty isn't for newbies. It is not finished.
[01:27] <ace> xev says that button 8 is button 2 and that button 9 is button 3!?!?!?!!!
[01:27] <ZeroZiat> Well, yesterday I downloaded Edgy, ran it on the Live CD. Turns out they told me to download Feisty!
[01:27] <ZeroZiat> When I requested support.
[01:28] <ace> ZeroZiat: well what is the problem you have with feisty?
[01:28] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: Feisty is still in beta stage and isn't recommended to be used on production/real life systems
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> Wireless. The new thing they introduced on this version.
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> I am just testing it out.
[01:28] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: NetworkManager I guess
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> It's not even installed yet.
[01:28] <pecisk> ok :)
[01:29] <pecisk> so what kind of problem do you have?
[01:29] <ZeroZiat> Well, I cannot connect to my wireless network.
[01:29] <pecisk> ace: seems like new Xorg doesn't know how to configure your mouse
[01:29] <pecisk> ace: should investigate and report bug
[01:30] <ace> i'm investigating now
[01:31] <ZeroZiat> Well, anyways, turns out I try to do most I can, go to networking, enter the network name, doesn't connect.
[01:31] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: do it lists WiFi networks?
[01:32] <ZeroZiat> No.
[01:32] <ace> whats ZAxisMapping?
[01:32] <ace> google found lots of places where its mentioned but nothing about what it does or stands for
[01:33] <ZeroZiat> In iwconfig, eth0 just works.
[01:34] <VirhYl3> The latest updates broke feisty.
[01:34] <VirhYl3> luckily the previous grub still runs perfect.
[01:35] <VirhYl3> I got spit into the console with an error saying the nvidia wasn't working.
[01:35] <ZeroZiat> 'Ello, WiFi, suggestions?
[01:36] <VirhYl3> anybody else reported this problem?
[01:38] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: what chip do you have?
[01:38] <pecisk> Intel, Broadcom?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> Uhh, hold on.
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> Wait, do you mean chipset of something?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> 'Cause this comp is a bit old.
[01:38] <VirhYl3> Anybody else reporting an X crash with the latest updates?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> I can give you specs, though. =)
[01:39] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: I meant wifi chipset
[01:40] <ace> Hi all
[01:40] <ace> i fixed it
[01:40] <ace> i was the protocol
[01:40] <Arko> 7.04 updates are so buggy to me and it is working so fine now (after several problems) that I definitively won't update anymore
[01:41] <ZeroZiat> Oh.
[01:42] <ZeroZiat> Network Card :	Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
[01:42] <ace> i commented out  device in the hope it would autodetect, and i set the protocol to ExplorerPS/2, the others sucked        -----#Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"  ---------  Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" ---------
[01:42] <ace> now i have all my buttons back :)
[01:45] <ZeroZiat> So, uh, there lo', it's a belkin.
[01:45] <ZeroZiat> In linux, with iwconfig it tells me something about Broadcom, though.
[01:45] <lastent> is there any channel for the 64bit support?
[01:46] <Stormx2> I love bum
[01:46] <Stormx2> You guys should check bum out
[01:46] <Stormx2> Its really nice.
[01:47] <ace> are you saying your gay?
[01:48] <ace> does it really matter?
[01:48] <VirhYl3> anyone else getting a broken X in the new updates?
[01:49] <ace> how new are the updates? i updated today and X is ok
[01:49] <phaidros> ace: aptitude search bum :i   bum             - graphical runlevel editor
[01:50] <ace> oh, now i feel kinda bad
[01:50] <phaidros> ace pretty offending you are, while not knowing what ppl talk about ;)
[01:50] <VirhYl3> I love ace's bum.
[01:51] <phaidros> maybe good bum .. (ace's one ..)
[01:51] <ace> see now that, what are you supposed to make of that?
[01:51] <VirhYl3> lol
[01:51] <VirhYl3> I'm going to start crying now, somebody tell me why X is dead in the latest updates.
[01:51] <phaidros> ace .. yaah, you need to live with that now ;)
[01:52] <phaidros> VirhYl3: nothing wroing with X here
[01:52] <phaidros> looked into your Xlog?
[01:52] <VirhYl3> man, there is something severely wrong.
[01:52] <VirhYl3> You using nvidia blob drivers?
[01:52] <phaidros> nope.
[01:52] <phaidros> xorg's ati ..
[01:53] <ace> VirhYl3: does xorg's log show anything?
[01:53] <greig_> how do i dload the beta?
[01:53] <Hidan> hey btw, where does one go to post requests and suggestions for Ubuntu?
[01:54] <VirhYl3> Dunno....  I'm a recent windows convert, I just no it died after necessary reboot, said something about nvidia, spit out garbage in a console, and I had to reboot to previous grub.
[01:54] <phaidros> Hidan: launchpad.net
[01:54] <phaidros> but search properly before posting ;)
[01:54] <|NewUser|> damn.. my Server Admin.. Restrict download Speed.. anyhow can i get more download speed. .. damn @ just 6kbs @.. there is 2 mb link there@
[01:55] <phaidros> |NewUser|: proxy / torrent ..
[01:55] <phaidros> (works only if the admin is not to clever ..)
[01:55] <|NewUser|> phaidros: he is clever.. torrent blocked..And Proxies also. sometime some socks ports works.
[01:55] <phaidros> greig_: go and download the iso file
[01:55] <ace> VirhYl3: when you get dropped into konsole do "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then change the driver to from nvidia to nv, then you at least have X again
[01:56] <darx> how can I open ports for bittorrent?
[01:56] <Hidan> phaidros: uhhhh okay I know there's bugs section so the possible sections are the uhm "Answers" or "Questions" sections?
[01:56] <phaidros> |NewUser|: tell him, you need the bandwidth for a linux iso yo want to get
[01:56] <|NewUser|> phaidros: going to download Some fiesty update.. something 130+mb. damn Showing me 14h something minutes..
[01:56] <darx> iptables is driving me nuts
[01:56] <|NewUser|> phaidros: i requested to him .. that i need some linux source n upgrades.. but what i say.. He is big s*i*.
[01:56] <phaidros> Hidan: theres is Q and A and feature request can also be done as bugs .. imho, maybe read the doc before
[01:57] <|NewUser|> phaidros: he is big Clever.. and Challenge me too u cant do any thing.. from ur side..
[01:57] <|NewUser|> ;<
[01:57] <Hidan> phaidros: doc? uh oh lol... launchpad.net is massive and i'm lost  already.
[01:57] <phaidros> Hidan: the forums are also quite helpful, depends on what you want to do
[01:57] <phaidros> Hidan: yeah, I didn't get it completely yet :/
[01:58] <VirhYl3> Yeah, for as accessible as the Ubuntu community supposedly is, It's nearly impossible to get actual requests or suggestions in.
[01:58] <VirhYl3> I've been suggesting they drop the sh*t brown for about 4 years.
[01:58] <phaidros> VirhYl3: depends on what you mean, the motu team is very helpful
[01:58] <phaidros> bug are hunted quick trough launchpad.
[01:58] <phaidros> forums are good in Q/A
[01:58] <phaidros> whats mitssing?
[01:58] <ace> blue is nice
[01:59] <Hidan> the Ubuntu team really needs to work on it... hmmm, i think I'll go send a comment at Mark Shuttleworth's blog. :p
[01:59] <VirhYl3> yeah, or green, or any damn color besides brown.
[01:59] <VirhYl3> seriously, wtf is up with the brown?
[01:59] <phaidros> hm, lets get pink then
[01:59] <phaidros> VirhYl3: file a bug
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Hey, my gf would go for that.
[01:59] <ace> VirhYl3: what about pink? are you sure you wouldn't mind ANY colour?
[02:00] <ace> orange would be ok i guess
[02:00] <VirhYl3> I did that.  In the forums, and on launchpad.
[02:00] <VirhYl3> Still brown.
[02:02] <ace> well instead of saying we hate brown maybe we should ask why its brown
[02:02] <ace> ?
[02:02] <ace> then they might reconsider if they can't come up with a really good reason for it being brown
[02:05] <aaroncampbell> I switched back to my bluetooth kb/mouse (couldn't use it during install).  As soon as I plugged in the USB key, it worked great.  Now, every time I reboot, I have to unplug the usb key, and plug it back in before the KB or mouse work
[02:05] <aaroncampbell> Any idea why?
[02:05] <Stormx2> What is this about brown?
[02:06] <Stormx2> Hmm
[02:06] <AngryElf> if I install the beta today what steps would need to be taken after the official release?
[02:06] <Stormx2> AngryElf: none. Just keep up to date.
[02:06] <AngryElf> apt-get update will handle it?
[02:06] <Stormx2> aaroncampbell: You need to find out what is called when you plug that device in, to make it work, and call that command at boot time
[02:07] <darx> is there a bittorrent client for linux that really works?
[02:07] <Stormx2> AngryElf: yep. update-manager does a good job
[02:07] <darx> this is pissing me off
[02:07] <AngryElf> sweet, thanx
[02:07] <Stormx2> darx: Azureus is fantastic.
[02:07] <misfit_toy> darx deluge-torrent
[02:07] <darx> Stormx2: its a hog as well
[02:07] <Stormx2> Its not that bad, how much RAM have you got?
[02:07] <gils> no updates todayt?
[02:08] <Stormx2> gils: none so far
[02:08] <darx> misfit_toy: i have it and it doesn't work well
[02:08] <misfit_toy> darx, define "well"
[02:08] <chuck_tx> ? How beta is this beta right now?
[02:08] <gils> ok
[02:08] <gils> thanks
[02:08] <darx> misfit_toy: buggy, relatively high upload and bad download rate
[02:09] <misfit_toy> darx, maybe it's your router?
[02:09] <gils> i must say, i have done linux distro-upgrades for years on suse, fedora, etc,,,,
[02:09] <Stormx2> darx: 90mb for me. Thats a price worth paying imho
[02:09] <darx> i tried a referance torrent on utorrent and deluge simultaneously
[02:09] <Stormx2> darx: Thats with ~50 torrents in it.
[02:09] <gils> i have never had one work as flawlessly as 6.10 to 7.04did
[02:09] <Stormx2> gils: Same as.
[02:09] <Stormx2> gils: I had maybe 3 problems.
[02:09] <darx> and utorrents kicks deluges rotten ass
[02:10] <Stormx2> gils: And they were all very minor.
[02:10] <Stormx2> darx: how much RAM have you got?
[02:10] <darx> Stormx2: 512mb
[02:10] <darx> i'm going for azeureus
[02:10] <gils> Stormx2: I had some issue with beryl but a reinstall from repos did the trick
[02:10] <Hidan> woohoo more updates!!!!!
[02:11] <aaroncampbell> Stormx2: How can I tell what is called?
[02:11] <darx> Stormx2: i cant bear this.. i messed around with iptables so much that my head hurt.. only to learn that it was open all along
[02:12] <Stormx2> aaroncampbell: I don't really know. Maybe you could run a search on ubuntuforums.org for the particular mouse?
[02:12] <Stormx2> aaroncampbell: The people in ##linux might be able to help too
[02:12] <Stormx2> darx: iptables opens ports by default on the desktop.
[02:13] <Stormx2> darx: Take a break for 5, 10 minutes, yeah? Don't get wound up. You'll just make more mistakes and it will take longer
[02:14] <gils> oh how exciting....python upgrades. wooohooo
[02:14] <darx> Stormx2: you are doing a great job.. i'll advice azuereus to anyone .. your right 90mb is well justified
[02:14] <Hidan> python yeah pfft
[02:15] <Stormx2> darx: I agree with you whole-heartedly that we need an alternative though.
[02:15] <|NewUser|> well i Just download Some pAckages.. through update-manager but suddenly my pc goes reboot.. so that download packages still in memory?
[02:15] <Hidan> pythos and feather boas xD
[02:15] <Hidan> newuser: yeah sure they should be.
[02:15] <gils> anyone here change bootup screen with usplash ?
[02:15] <gils> what is the procedure
[02:15] <darx> Stormx2: cheers and thanks..
[02:15] <Hidan> newuser: happened to me too many times really... X kept freezing, i'd to keep rebooting.
[02:15] <|NewUser|> Hidan: then how can i install those ? or just start update-manager again?
[02:17] <Hidan> newuser: just launch update-manager again. Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:18] <Stormx2> Why was he K-lined? o.O
[02:18] <Pricey> Stormx2, who knows. Ask Freenode Staff if you're really interested...
[02:18] <NewUser`> hmm what did i do wrong?
[02:18] <Stormx2> He's back anyway
[02:18] <Stormx2> What is a K-Line?
[02:18] <Stormx2> I don't know NewUser`
[02:19] <Pricey> Stormx2, ban from the network
[02:19] <Stormx2> Maybe there's a policy against having pipes in names?
[02:19] <Pricey> Stormx2, I don't know.
[02:19] <Stormx2> Pricey, k, and a G-line?
[02:19] <billytwowilly> hey, is there a backports for feisty yet? A bunch of programs are a bit outdated in feisty repositories already..
[02:19] <Pricey> billytwowilly, do you know what backports are? :)
[02:20] <Stormx2> Ooh what is ubuntu 7.10 gonna be called?
[02:20] <Hidan> ewuser: just launch update-manager again. Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:20] <billytwowilly> ports back from the devel release. You're telling me noone is working on feisty +1 yet?;)
[02:20] <Pricey> Stormx2, don't know y et
[02:20] <Stormx2> Perky Penguin... come ooon :)
[02:20] <Hidan> geh
[02:20] <Pricey> billytwowilly, feisty+1 starts w hen feisty is finished
[02:20] <Hidan> _freaky: just launch update-manager again. Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:20] <billytwowilly> lamish. Ktorrent has a security hole in its 2.1 release that is fixed in 2.1.3
[02:21] <billytwowilly> well, two security holes.
[02:21] <Stormx2> Security holes are fixed in updates
[02:21] <Stormx2> I'd imagine it'll be fixed within a day or two eh?
[02:21] <NewUser`> Sorry .. Some Problem with my Electricity..
[02:21] <NewUser`> well can i Ask what i did wrong ? my Server kill my local ip?
[02:22] <billytwowilly> ktorrent 2.1.3 was released on april 2
[02:22] <Hidan> newuser: did you get any of that?  hmmm i dunno, you were k-lined or something.
[02:22] <Stormx2> What was it, an internet problem?
[02:22] <NewUser`> Stormx2: well i want to talk with Freenode Oper.. where i can found ? any Services channel ?
[02:23] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with a problem where gnome takes ages to start, and when it finally does, it spits an error about gnome settings daemon?  I've tried dumping ~/.* to no avail
[02:23] <billytwowilly> Oh yah, there's also a bug in kde when I updated. konqueror loses its location bar on the second konqueror windows I open and all subsequent konqueror windows.
[02:23] <NewUser`> Hidan : ya dont know why i m klined :< i dont do anything wrong :<
[02:23] <Stormx2> NewUser`: Not sure...
[02:24] <Stormx2> NewUser`: I did a whois on you. It might be the odd characters in your name? fk
[02:24] <NewUser`> Stormx2: i dont think so thats illegal
[02:25] <NewUser`> Stormx2: u Saw my Kline Reason ?
[02:25] <bur[n] er> NewUser`: no reason given
[02:25] <NewUser`> Its something.. Problem with Clones.. they Thaught i m loading clones..
[02:25] <NewUser`> bur[n] er: Please don't run clones or bots on freenode. Mail staff@freenode.net if you think this kline in error. Thanks!
[02:25] <Stormx2> There wasn't one
[02:26] <NewUser`> damn.. My Service is going d/c again n again so what should i do.. if my previous nick is here..
[02:26] <Stormx2> NewUser`, maybe you had some techno on?
[02:26] <Stormx2> r-r-r-r-ooobot
[02:26] <NewUser`> Stormx2: nA mAn.. i knOW how to Use Irc.. well i m using Irc since 5 years..
[02:27] <Stormx2> I love your capitalisation
[02:27] <Stormx2> It's fantastic.
[02:27] <NewUser`> :< my local ip is kline :<
[02:27] <NewUser`> damn..
[02:28] <Stormx2> NewUser`: Email the staff.
[02:28] <Stormx2> staff@freenode.net
[02:28] <NewUser`> yea .. mailing
[02:29] <NewUser`> Where is PriceChild?
[02:29] <Pricey> NewUser`, hi?
[02:29] <Pricey> NewUser`, email freenode staff or use "/stats p" to find an online staffer
[02:30] <greig_> whos running the beta?
[02:30] <NewUser`> Pricey: thanks buddy
[02:30] <NewUser`> greig_: im but dont ask anything coz i m newbie.. sorry
[02:31] <greig_> me 2 lol, it running ok tho?
[02:31] <NewUser`> nalioth: can i talk to you?
[02:31] <bur[n] er> it's running well enough for me greig_
[02:31] <greig_> im updating as we speake from 3.10
[02:32] <NewUser`> nalioth: what did i do anything wrong? why i get kline my local ip ?
[02:32] <greig_> 6.10*
[02:33] <Pricey> NewUser`, best to do that in private pm ;)
[02:33] <NewUser`> nalioth: U there ?
[02:33] <NewUser`> Pricey: thats illegal he kill me again :)
[02:33] <NewUser`> Pricey: without Permission.. i aint mSg him in pvt.
[02:35] <nalioth> NewUser`: hi
[02:35] <NewUser`> nalioth: thanks for reply..
[02:44] <K`zan> USB under Feisty is getting to be a problem :-(.
[02:44] <beg1689> is it possible to make nm-applet remember WEP keys without prompting for the keyring password every logon?
[02:44] <RAOF> beg1689: Yes, see:
[02:44] <kelsa|martalli> I am trying to run mpd on a computer, but it appears port 6600 is blocked.
[02:45] <RAOF> !info libpam-keyring feisty | beg1689
[02:45] <kelsa|martalli> How can I open this in ubuntu?
[02:45] <ubotu> beg1689: libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-5 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 128 kB
[02:46] <beg1689> ok cool... now what if i want to switch to that network later on
[02:47] <kelsa|martalli> Under firestarter, I have 'inbound traffic policy" for port 6600 set to "open" for all
[02:47] <kelsa|martalli> Shouldn't that work?
[02:51] <NewUser`> can i set mac address permenantly? whenever i restart my pc. set it back again n again ?
[02:52] <RAOF> beg1689: When you set up pam-keyring, it will unlock the keyring when you login.  That means that anything that uses the keyring can get passwords etc out of it without (necessarily) prompting you again.
[02:53] <beg1689> for the rest of that login session? i thought it meant just for a moment
[02:54] <RAOF> No, for the rest of the login session
[03:00] <mahdi> hi, could anybody plz help me debug a hard lockup? My system hangs and my leds start flashing, but i don't know why. Its kinda random
[03:01] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, the flashing keyboard lights are what the kernel does just before it crashes.
[03:01] <RyanRyan52>  what graphics driver should i use? Its onboard Intel GMA x3000, When i try i810 the screen is black and i can only use the tty thing. When I try vesa it works but the graphics are really slow. Which one would be right to use?
[03:02] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: ... you're on feisty... i'll get you a url or bug #
[03:02] <RyanRyan52> thanks
[03:02] <mahdi> RAOF: yep. But i don't know why it crashes! Found nothing on /var/log/*
[03:03] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: bug 90213
[03:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213
[03:03] <mahdi> RAOF: i suspect it is wpasupplicant's fault, so i'm looking for a way to use NetworkManager WITHOUT it
[03:03] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: that's not what i'm using though. I have a driver from debian exp from a month or so ago that seems to work better. that new one has some issues still.
[03:03] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, I'm no kernel hacker.  I'd point you at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[03:04] <cliebow2> or use knetworkmanager
[03:04] <RAOF> mahdi: There *is* no way to use NetworkManager without wpasupplicant (at least while retaining WPA support)
[03:04] <RyanRyan52> ok
[03:05] <mahdi> RAOF: i don't need wpa support. WEP is enough for me
[03:05] <RAOF> mahdi: Oh, well then you could possibly rebuild the networkmanager package from source without the wpasupplicant dependency.  However, a *much* better idea is to file a bug :)
[03:06] <mahdi> RAOF: it seems like using configs directly on /etc/network/interfaces works without crashes, but i still cant b sure... and dont have any proof that wpasupplicant is buggy!
[03:07] <|NewUser|> can i set my mac addr. permenant?
[03:07] <RAOF> mahdi: Check out the systemcrash link, and *file a bug*.
[03:07] <|NewUser|> coz whenever i reboot my system mac address going to change
[03:07] <RAOF> mahdi: Of course, the fact that it doesn't (seem) to crash with network-manager disabled suggests the problem may be related to NM :)
[03:08] <cliebow2> or use knetworkmanager?
[03:09] <mahdi> cliebow2: knetworkmanager depends on networkmanager which depends on wpasupplicant (which causes me trouble)
[03:09] <mahdi> dumb question: what is this SysRq key?
[03:09] <mahdi> oh
[03:09] <mahdi> just found it
[03:10] <mahdi> lol
[03:10] <Jisao> Is there a way to upgrade to feisty other than with these instructions?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[03:12] <cliebow2> wifi-radar?
[03:13] <mahdi> cliebow2: hmmm
[03:13] <mahdi> ill look into it
[03:13] <cliebow2> works in ppc..
[03:13] <mahdi> tkz
[03:13] <cliebow2> 8~)
[03:13] <Toma-> how can i get the ubuntu-studio themes? i cant see it in the metapackages...
[03:14] <Toma-> err woops
[03:14] <mahdi> stilll i'd have to uninstall networkmanager
[03:14] <mahdi> and then lose ubuntu-desktop... and lots of upgrades
[03:14] <mahdi> =/
[03:16] <RAOF> mahdi: A better solution would be to help the devs stop your kernel crashing!
[03:17] <mahdi> RAOF: of course...
[03:17] <mahdi> RAOF: but i need some hints to find out what is causing it, i suppose
[03:18] <RAOF> mahdi: Good.  It's just there are a lot of people who complain but don't file bugs :(
[03:18] <Jisao> I am curious, RAOF.  How do you know that your kernel is crashed^
[03:18] <Jisao> ?
[03:18] <RAOF> mahdi: Have you checked out the "wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSystemCrash" thingy?
[03:18] <mahdi> at least some file dumps
[03:18] <mahdi> RAOF: just read it
[03:18] <RAOF> Cool.
[03:18] <RAOF> No help?
[03:18] <mahdi> i'm waiting for my system to crash, so i do it
[03:18] <mahdi> lol
[03:19] <beg1689> i set up pam-keyring but now it asks for my password twice at logon
[03:19] <RAOF> Jisao: Well, one of the ways to know is that the keyboard LED's are flashing.  The kernel does that just before it dies.
[03:19] <Jisao> I see.
[03:19] <mahdi> didn't know about that alt+SysRq+1 and then alt+SysRq+t thing
[03:19] <RAOF> beg1689: I seem to remember hearing that problem on the forums.  Did you set it up as in /usr/share/libpam-keyring/README.debian ?
[03:20] <mahdi> but if it gives me usefull info, then that will make my day =D
[03:20] <beg1689> file doesnt exist
[03:21] <mahdi> RAOF: where exactly i file such kind of bug?
[03:22] <RAOF> beg1689: Sorry, there should have been a "doc" in there "/usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian"
[03:22] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, there's certainly a kernel panic involved, so probably file it against the linux-image.
[03:22] <Jisao> Interesting, RAOF.
[03:22] <RAOF> mahdi: On launchpad.net
[03:22] <mahdi> RAOF: ah, ok
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> do yall get libxalan issues at gnome install time?
[03:23] <mahdi> RAOF: when leds flash it is necessarily a kernekl panic?
[03:23] <mahdi> isnt there other kinds of hard lockups?
[03:24] <RAOF> mahdi: Yeah, there are.  But I'm gonna call them all kernel panics.
[03:24] <mahdi> hmmm
[03:24] <RAOF> There's no form of hard-lockup that *isn't* the responsibity of the kernel :)
[03:25] <mahdi> true
[03:25] <beg1689> that fixed it, thank you, i was using the instructions from the developer's site
[03:25] <RAOF> :)
[03:26] <beg1689> there should be some type of option for that
[03:26] <Jisao> Well, lets see if I can crash this box deliberately this time...
[03:26] <beg1689> crash? i dont think i could make this box crash
[03:26] <beg1689> well maybe if i ran compiz and a bunch of 3d stuff
[03:27] <mahdi> compiz isnt such a monster
[03:27] <beg1689> compiz is an evil monster
[03:27] <beg1689> the kind that eats little children
[03:27] <mahdi> doesnt use that much resources
[03:27] <mahdi> not even beryl
[03:27] <beg1689> but they slow donw 3d apps quite a bit
[03:27] <beg1689> and dont like virtual consoles
[03:27] <mahdi> i use it on my laptop myself
[03:28] <RAOF> beg1689: No, that's the nvidia driver that doesn't like virtual consoles :(
[03:28] <Jisao> I regularly crash this system.
[03:28] <mahdi> just for the nice effects and true transparency
[03:28] <beg1689> i use it when im not doing anything important, and not playing a 3d game
[03:28] <beg1689> my favorite think is the scale windows thing
[03:28] <mahdi> yep =D
[03:28] <mahdi> but i still like true transparencies better
[03:29] <beg1689> actually the zooming comes in handy too
[03:29] <mahdi> yep
[03:29] <beg1689> like when someone wants to see a picture or something and its real tiny
[03:29] <beg1689> or watching flash videos that dont go fullscreen
[03:29] <beg1689> like abc.com
[03:30] <mahdi> see? beryl and compiz are nice
[03:30] <beg1689> dam abc... i bet their fullscreen app works on linux they just refuse to use it
[03:30] <mahdi> too bad beryl is broken on official for xgl :(
[03:30] <beg1689> they dont even let you try unless they detect windows or mac
[03:30] <RAOF> mahdi: You should try compiz-git.  Transparent gnome-terminals with blur are surprisingly cool :)
[03:31] <mahdi> =P
[03:31] <beg1689> dam it
[03:32] <beg1689> wont even let me try in ie6 under wine
[03:32] <beg1689> they must think all the "uber hackers" will steal their precious crappy shoiws
[03:33] <beg1689> compiz is buggy for me btw
[03:33] <mahdi> cant wait to get beryl working again
[03:33] <beg1689> wierd glitches when zooming or alt+tabbing
[03:34] <beg1689> but only when the cube is off
[03:34] <mahdi> it is much better than compiz
[03:34] <beg1689> last time i tried beryl it was too unstable
[03:34] <mahdi> worked fine for me
[03:34] <beg1689> how could it be better? compiz already has all the features i want
[03:35] <beg1689> only thing better is a decent confi
[03:35] <beg1689> config
[03:35] <mahdi> exactly
[03:35] <mahdi> and some nice extra effects
[03:35] <beg1689> i should have been more specific, compiz gives me those glitches when cube is "Enabled" but not actually functioniong (hsize is wrong)
[03:35] <mahdi> and some other features
[03:35] <beg1689> also... my hsize keeps getting reset
[03:35] <mahdi> wierd
[03:36] <mahdi> it works very smoothly here
[03:36] <beg1689> it works great
[03:36] <Jisao> So, what can you do when nothing obvious shows up in the log files after a crash?
[03:36] <beg1689> if the cube is off, or cube is on and hsize is 4
[03:36] <beg1689> but when its toggled on and set to 1, causes glitches
[03:36] <beg1689> but every time cube is toggled on/off, it resets my hsize
[03:37] <beg1689> so i cant enable/disable when i do certain things (like wine games)
[03:37] <beg1689> or it causes the glitch again
[03:38] <aaroncampbell> I'm trying to build a package for my printer (konica Minolta Magicolor 2430DL), and this is the output: http://paste-bin.com/11365 which is riddled with errors...can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[03:40] <Bicchi> After upgrading to Feisty from edgy my HD takes over 300MB more of drive space. Is this normal for an upgrade? I already ran: sudo apt-get clean
[03:41] <mahdi> Bicchi: yep. Same here
[03:42] <Bicchi> i am just curious to know why the big increase. I really doubt that much space was used in upgrades.
[03:42] <mahdi> newer apps
[03:42] <Bicchi> yeah still 300mb
[03:42] <mahdi> only OO.org 2.2 eats up loke 50 or 70mb more
[03:42] <Bicchi> oh well. i just wanted to do some cleanups
[03:43] <Bicchi> oh ok. thanks for that info.
[03:43] <Noah0504> Has anyone else had problems with SoundConverter under Feisty?
[03:48] <mahdi> gotta go
[03:48] <mahdi> cya
[03:48] <mahdi> and tkz!
[04:07] <CarlFK> runnig various installer kernels in qemu - edgy's works as expected, feisty throws "Floating point exception"  and loops
[04:08] <CarlFK> I think I have a script that demos this
[04:08] <CarlFK> anyone want to try it ?
[04:09] <CarlFK> how much you think you ned?
[04:09] <CarlFK> need
[04:10] <DanaG> /dev/sda6              9804852   7830504   1575940  84% /
[04:10] <CarlFK> plenty
[04:10] <DanaG> I guess I did free up some space.
[04:10] <DanaG> Though sometimes I still run low.
[04:11] <DanaG> What would I install in a VM?  Windows 3.11?
[04:11] <CarlFK> I am not actualy doing an install, so it doesn't really need a hd
[04:11] <Noah0504> Has anyone else had problems with SoundConverter under Feisty?
[04:11] <CarlFK> run the feisty installer in the VM
[04:11] <DanaG> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:11] <DanaG> /dev/sda6               11G   8.1G   1.7G  84% /
[04:11] <DanaG> I'm already in Feisty in my real OS.
[04:11] <CarlFK> DanaG: doesn't matter. you can run whatever you want in the VM
[04:13] <wsjunior> what do i need to make audio preview to work inside konqueror? i enabled the option in view but i cant hear anything...
[04:19] <DanaG> Same for Nautilus.... there's the eighth-note icon, but it does nothing.
[04:42] <manchicken> Anybody know how to get a treo 700 smart phone to sync?
[04:42] <manchicken> I can't even get a device for it.
[04:47] <CarlFK> usb or bt?
[04:48] <CarlFK> not that I have one,but I have played around with my phone a little
[04:51] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14328
[04:52] <MrFeetio> ok, i just install 7.04 on my laptop, and the restricted drivers manager doesnt "see" my nvidia geforce go 7400, it does hower see me intell wirless and my touchpad works great
[04:52] <CarlFK> can someone run that, then flip the DIST from edgy to feisty and run it again
[04:52] <CarlFK> first should error witih "can't find install image"
[04:52] <CarlFK> 2nd should loop
[04:52] <MrFeetio> does any one why it wouldnt see my nvidia card?
[04:53] <CarlFK> (i should put those comments in the comments)
[04:58] <MrFeetio> the restriced drivers manager doesnt see my nvidia geforce go 7400,
[05:01] <RAOF> MrFeetio: That's odd, they see my Geforce 7600 go
[05:02] <MrFeetio> im gonna reboot, see if that fixes it
[05:04] <DanaG> Restricted-manager doesn't work if xorg.conf has been customized.
[05:04] <DanaG> Oh, and debconf for xorg doesn't offer evdev.
[05:04] <DanaG> Or nvidia.
[05:06] <shiris1> anybody home?
[05:09] <MrFeetio> ok, 7.04 didn't auto-detached my geforce go 7400
[05:09] <MrFeetio> how do i make i see my geforce go?
[05:10] <DanaG> FOr a moment I thought you asked, "how do I make my GeForce Go?"
[05:10] <DanaG> hah.
[05:10] <DanaG> s/a/e/
[05:10] <MrFeetio> if its at all related, 7.04 takes a good bit longer to boot up then 6.10
[05:10] <MrFeetio> "no resum image, doing normal boot"
[05:13] <spasticteapot> While updating, Synaptic crashed, and sudo apt-get upgrade causes a segmentation fault.
[05:13] <spasticteapot> WTF do I do?
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Reboot & Retry?
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Hello?
[05:15] <exor|grey> I'm attempting to use ubuntu-xen-desktop on my new feisty install, which seems to only use the 2.19.4 kernel. Unfortunately, the supplied image package does not contain the ipw3945 wireless adapter. There does not appear to be a source package for this kernel with the xen patches in the repositories either, though headers are available. Any suggestions on how to proceed to get my wifi working under the xen-desktop?
[05:16] <spasticteapot> No idea.
[05:17] <exor|grey> spasticteapot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/70005
[05:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 70005 in apt "segfault on apt-get upgrade (dup-of: 75273)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [High,Fix committed] 
[05:17] <exor|grey> quoting "the issue can be worked around by removing/renaming the srcpkgcache.bin and pkgcache.bin files, located in /var/cache/apt."
[05:17] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[05:19] <payan> my interface eth0 (internal and static) is always down at startup
[05:19] <spasticteapot> I'm still a little fuzzy on the Unix commands - what's the command for deleting a file?
[05:19] <exor|grey> rm
[05:19] <payan> what can i do?
[05:19] <exor|grey> though you might want mv
[05:19] <spasticteapot> sudo rm (file)?
[05:19] <spasticteapot> Just want to make sure I don't accidentally delete half my system configuration files....
[05:19] <spasticteapot> ....again.
[05:19] <exor|grey> i'd move it to /tmp until your sure it doesnt make anything worse
[05:20] <exor|grey> sudo mv /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin /tmp/
[05:20] <exor|grey> sudo mv /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin /tmp/
[05:21] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[05:21] <spasticteapot> mv moves a file without copying it?
[05:22] <spasticteapot> What's the comand to copy a file to another folder without removing it from its current folder?
[05:22] <exor|grey> cp
[05:22] <spasticteapot> ..duh.
[05:22] <spasticteapot> Thanks!
[05:22] <exor|grey> mv is also used for renaming
[05:22] <manchicken> CarlFK: USB
[05:23] <spasticteapot> I should remember these.
[05:23] <CarlFK> usb?
[05:23] <manchicken> CarlFK: The Treo is USB.
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Hey, it works!
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Whee!
[05:23] <manchicken> And I can't get it to work for the life of me.
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Thanks exor|grey!
[05:23] <CarlFK> oh yeah, that
[05:23] <manchicken> It's not getting assigned a device.
[05:24] <CarlFK> lsusb show anything?
[05:24] <exor|grey> spasticteapot: np, http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[05:24] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:24] <manchicken> But no /dev/ttyUSB*
[05:24] <manchicken> no /dev/pilot
[05:24] <manchicken> Nothing.
[05:24] <manchicken> lsusb -> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc.
[05:24] <CarlFK> wild
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Is there a guide out there for learning networking with Linux?
[05:25] <manchicken> [21486.477326]  usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 6
[05:25] <manchicken> [21490.369827]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7
[05:25] <manchicken> [21490.578833]  usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Due to mass incompetence and laziness, I'm the sysadmin for a student robotics group.
[05:25] <manchicken> That's what I get in dmesg
[05:25] <manchicken> That's it.
[05:25] <spasticteapot> (I was'nt the lazy and stupid one.)
[05:25] <DanaG> manchicken: can you try modprobing usbserial?
[05:25] <manchicken> err, not the disconnect.  I only got that because I disconnected first :)
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Since I put the whole network together out of stuff I found on the curb, nobody else knows how to do a dang thing with it.
[05:26] <spasticteapot> In other words....."Job Security".
[05:26] <manchicken> Just did, nothing new showing up in dmesg
[05:26] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: network admin gude
[05:26] <spasticteapot> I can tell Rob the Buisness Team Guy what a schmuck he is, and he can't do a dang thing about it.
[05:26] <spasticteapot> CarlFK: Link please?
[05:27] <manchicken> This is irritating.
[05:27] <spasticteapot> I know basic IP stuff (how to set up static IPs, what a Workgroup is, etc.)
[05:27] <manchicken> nixternal says that his Sony Clie is having the same trouble, and it wasn't not long ago.
[05:27] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/nag.html
[05:27] <spasticteapot> The "NAG". I like it.
[05:27] <CarlFK> im off - good luck all
[05:28] <manchicken> I'll be needing it.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> Any suggestions for some 3d animation or CAD software for Linux?
[05:29] <spasticteapot> We have a budget of "what I can get from Freecycle", which is to say, a bunch of PIII boxes.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> All of which I ressurected.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> ...more or less.
[05:30] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: qcad
[05:32] <spasticteapot> The reason I'm asking in Ubuntu+1 is that Feisty has a lot more of the modern packages; hence, a lot of software that would'nt run under Edgy should work.
[05:32] <spasticteapot> QCAD?
[05:33] <spasticteapot> I neeed 3D cad.
[05:33] <spasticteapot> Autodesk Inventor is preferred, but a single liscense is roughly ten times my annual budget of about $80.
[05:34] <MrFeetio> since the restriced drivers manager didnt auto-detached my nvidia gefource go 7400, i just set up the nvidia-glx on my own, but when i run desktop effects the windows wobbly but dont have titlw bars
[05:34] <payan> problem update-rc unexistent file!
[05:36] <shirish> anybody knows which log has all the updates stuff in it?
[05:40] <exor|grey> can anyone suggest a place to get support with xen on feisty?
[05:42] <DanaG> MrFeetio: you have to sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[05:43] <MrFeetio> danaG: thanks
[05:44] <DanaG> hmm, for that usbserial, see what depends on it, and try modprobe-ing those things:
[05:44] <DanaG> depmod -an | grep usbser
[05:44] <DanaG> (-a is to list only, not change anything)
[05:49] <poningru> !upgrade
[05:49] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:50] <wizard> crimsun: hey man?
[05:51] <crimsun> wizard: hi, busy atm.
[05:51] <wizard> crimsun: oh okay. Will i have any time to borrow you tonight?
[05:51] <crimsun> sure, let's say 30 minutes.
[05:51] <wizard> okay
[05:51] <wizard> i'll go play some counter-strike source in the meantime
[05:51] <wizard> crimsun: thanks again :-)
[05:59] <shirish>  crimsun: you there?
[05:59] <shirish> oops sorry did not see you are busy atm thing
[06:00] <shirish> DanaG: are u there?
[06:00] <|NewUser|> shirish: mOrning :)
[06:00] <shirish> |NewUser|: hey there, how are the updates happening?
[06:01] <|NewUser|> shirish: still upgrading :) but... one thing :/ my X working fine Automatic :S
[06:01] <|NewUser|> shirish: i aint do anything :S now Xserver starts auto :)
[06:02] <shirish> that is nice to hear
[06:03] <|NewUser|> shirish: ty goings to you.. as u said try to update. then maybe it will be fine.. i just update 10 packages.. after then due to electricity problem pc goes reboot auto.. when it up back Xserver fine auto :S
[06:04] <shirish> |NewUser|: it just needed the updates & fixed itself, there is some beauty now in how xserver-xorg-core and especially xorg.conf is written makes it more easy for people to troubleshoot unlike before
[06:05] <|NewUser|> shirish: yes maybe.. well but i have beta so it needs update maybe.
[06:06] <shirish> |NewUser|: yup, also if u can it would be cool if you downloaded the RC update when it happens & try that. see if anything goes wrong with that, any potential blocker
[06:06] <|NewUser|> shirish: well if any update happen then i keep my pc uptodate with that :)
[06:06] <shirish> hey Tomcat_ :
[06:06] <|NewUser|> *will
[06:07] <|NewUser|> shirish : want to ask something about beryl..
[06:07] <shirish> there are going to be quite a few updates in the next few days I think
[06:07] <MrFeetio> what should my color depth be set to for 3d effects?
[06:07] <shirish> not played much with it frankly as got integrated graphics
[06:07] <|NewUser|> shirish: i have " VGA compitable Controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3d (rev 01)" this video card.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> in Another Machine.. whichone fiesty installed.
[06:08] <shirish> ok go right ahead but do not know if I can help u with anything
[06:09] <|NewUser|> shirish: i dont know how to help myself.. i aint used beryl before:<
[06:09] <shirish> |NewUser|: same here have not had much luck with it, although then the hardware I run is almost 4 yrs. old
[06:10] <|NewUser|> shirish: so u want to say beryl supported new cards?
[06:10] <shirish> |NewUser|: supposedly yes, they are known to work wonders with new cards as well as quite a few old cards as well
[06:10] <shirish> !beryl
[06:10] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:11] <shirish> you should check that forum as well as that chat-room they have more info. about it
[06:11] <|NewUser|> shirish: okie thanks.
[06:11] <|NewUser|> shirish: one more thing. how can i mount my drives permenantly?
[06:12] <shirish> |NewUser|: what do u mean mount your drives permanently? You mean your ntfs partitions or what?
[06:12] <shirish> !apport
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <shirish> !info apport
[06:13] <ubotu> apport: automatically generate crash reports for debugging. In component main, is optional. Version 0.73 (feisty), package size 52 kB, installed size 292 kB
[06:27] <shirish> guys going out for some-time
[06:27] <|NewUser|> shirish: Cya.. dude. tc
[06:27] <dstanek> is there a good official set of instructions for upgrading to feisty? all i can find is forum posts with bits and pieces of information
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> "Change sources.  Pray.  Hit enter."
[06:29] <dstanek> tonyyarusso: i read somewhere that i could change drapper to feisty and it would work
[06:29] <dstanek> but i also read about something called the upgrade-manager
[06:31] <RushFreak> You mean the in-place upgrade, I suppose?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> dstanek: I'm not sure what the upgrade-manager status is right now.  That will be the way to do it after release, but I'm not sure whether it is in place yet (I upgraded in November).  Regardless, you should upgrade Dapper to Edgy and then Edgy to Feisty, not skipping the step.
[06:32] <dstanek> RushFreak: hopefully :-)
[06:32] <dstanek> tonyyarusso: how can i upgrade to edgy then?
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> dstanek: Same thing, just replacing dapper with edgy first
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> !upgrade
[06:33] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:34] <RushFreak> I don't know what happens if you're running dapper and you run the upgrade.  It might be smart enough to go to Edgy first, then feisty.  I always keep up on the upgrades so I never tried skipping.
[06:36] <dstanek> i am from the Gentoo world where they upgrade you in places via packages
[06:36] <dstanek> ubotu: thx for the link
[06:37] <dstanek> oooh a bot :-)
[06:37] <valehru> Does anyone know how I could control totem via ssh on a different computer?  i.e., use my laptop to control the movie which is playing on a different computer?
[06:38] <Shelagh> Is there an issue with the nvidia driver? (apart from its closed nature)
[06:39] <Shelagh> I can't get it to work.
[06:39] <Shelagh> I have the restricted modules installed but xorg doesn't recognise that there is an nvidia module.
[06:40] <SuperTeece> Shelagh, there is a an ongoing (about a week or so now) nvidia issue
[06:40] <SuperTeece> I saw a fix one day but because I don't use nvidia I didn't pay much attention
[06:48] <wizard> crimsun: hey just following up with ya?
[06:50] <crimsun> wizard: hi, where were we?
[06:50] <wizard> alright cool
[06:50] <wizard> we were working on getting sound
[06:50] <wizard> crimsun: i'll need to reboot to linux if you can give me a moment, was playing some video games heh
[06:52] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: Ah thanks. Beginning to think I was going mad.
[06:53] <SuperTeece> No prob
[06:53] <junmin> hi gusy, your xmms keeps a infinit pre-buffering loop when you want to listen to some radio station??!
[06:53] <junmin> guys*
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: alright, I am here
[06:56] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: Do you know where the "fix" was likely to be?
[06:58] <SuperTeece> launchpad or ubuntuforums.org
[06:59] <crimsun> wizard_: right, where were we?
[07:00] <SuperTeece> and I don't think there us a "fix" just a workaround
[07:02] <wizard> crimsun: we were at the part where we loaded a bunch of models
[07:02] <wizard> but still no sound
[07:02] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: found the reference. Thanks
[07:04] <crimsun> wizard: right, which models did you try?
[07:04] <wizard> crimsun: laptop, auto, 3stack, laptop-esp(or something), uhmmm
[07:04] <wizard> i think thats it?
[07:14] <wizard> crimsun: iunno what to do :-(
[07:24] <aaroncampbell> what package gives me mod_rewrite for apache?
[07:25] <wizard> crimsun: you there?
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard: I'm on the phone atm
[07:26] <Draconicus> My spca5xx driver disappeared after an update. Anyone know how I can get it back?
[07:26] <wizard> crimsun: oh okay
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard: please pastebin http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh output somewhere
[07:29] <flowbot> i'm doing a net install, and am currently at "Select and install software" ... i chose xubuntu-desktop, but the progress bar has been at 6% for over an hour now - hundreds of megabytes have been downloaded in the meantime ... will it not go past 6% until it's finished downloading all the packages, or is there a chance that it is not working properly?
[07:30] <wizard> crimsun: okay
[07:30] <wizard> crimsun: wait should i download that sh file and run it?
[07:32] <wizard> crimsun: it reports an error before running.
[07:32] <Gabz> If i give 7.04 to a person who isn't at all tech minded.... is this a bad idea should a wait for the full release ?
[07:33] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14341/
[07:33] <Gabz> and will the beta auto machiically update to the full release with me changing anything
[07:34] <wizard> crimsun: woops my bad man
[07:35] <wizard> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/428006 thats what u wanted
[07:37] <wizard> crimsun: hope that was resourceful some
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, hey, I've been AFK for ages,
[07:39] <DanaG> or, more like, AF-IRC; working on an assignment.
[07:39] <DanaG> Kinda' late now.
[07:40] <DanaG> har har har: http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[07:48] <crimsun> wizard: looking when I finish the call
[07:48] <wizard> crimsun: kk boss :-)
[07:50] <hooray> lol /join #buttsex
[07:51] <RAOF> !ohmy | hoora
[07:51] <ubotu> hoora: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:51] <RAOF> !ohmy | hooray
[07:51] <ubotu> hooray: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:51] <hooray> i was trying to join channel /philosophy and it doesnt work
[07:52] <hooray> but that one does
[07:53] <wizard> exit
[07:56] <wizard> crimsun: alright im done tinkering lol so whenever you're ready
[08:03] <Lynoure> For some time now on Feisty I have gotten "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." when I try to unmount ("safely remove") my mp3 player (usb memory stick). It worked fine at a somewhat earlier Feisty. Am I alone with this?
[08:04] <Lynoure> I vaguely suspect it was caused by the udev change, but that's pretty much just a guess
[08:04] <icecruncher> Lynoure: No, there are apperently quite a few usb errors in the kernel
[08:05] <icecruncher> Lynoure: for some people it wont recognize the usb at all or it wont mount
[08:05] <Lynoure> icecruncher: I think at least with -11 this still worked smoothly for me.
[08:06] <icecruncher> dunno
[08:08] <Lynoure> icecruncher: thanks, still :)
[08:09] <icecruncher> mp
[08:09] <icecruncher> *np
[08:13] <Mena> IS there a new realese of fiesty
[08:13] <Mena> !fiesty
[08:13] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:17] <flowbot> is there any reason the current daily won't fit on a CD?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> yes.  it's likely oversized again
[08:18] <wizard> crimsun: if you can just send me a /msg when you get back cos my eyes are off to the side
[08:19] <crimsun> wizard: I cannot send queries, because I'm not identified.
[08:19] <crimsun> and I'm still on the phone.
[08:19] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it requires recovering a password, and I don't have access to that email account presently
[08:19] <flowbot> Hobbsee, tomorrow may be different?
[08:20] <wizard> crimsun: ohh okay
[08:20] <mycroftiv> is 2.6.20-14 the final kernel for Feisty?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh
[08:20] <crimsun> mycroftiv: no.
[08:20] <wizard> crimsun: well whenever you have time then
[08:20] <Hobbsee> flowbot: probably not tomorrow.  when they do the rc, though...
[08:20] <wizard> i'll try to keep a closer eye out
[08:24] <jussi01> morning all
[08:25] <jussi01> is there a way to get my machine to boot verbosely.... it pauses for about 30-40 sec aboout halfway to booting up...
[08:26] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee...
[08:26] <mycroftiv> jussi01: yeah theres a way to do it, i think you can just tweak something in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <crimsun> just edit the kernel command line and remove `splash' and `quiet'
[08:26] <RAOF> jussi01: Yes.  When it's booting up, it'll say "press ESC to enter grub", or something similar.
[08:27] <RAOF> Then you do what crimsun said :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01
[08:27] <jussi01> ahhh... thanks.... Ill be back in a few with a problem....
[08:31] <Toma-> hmm. whats the joystick testing app?
[08:33] <shirish> hmm, on the same note, what is the brain testing tool, I forgot its called ubuntu feisty :)
[08:34] <jussi01> OK, Im back, it hangs for about 30 seconds on configuring network interfaces....
[08:34] <jussi01> I have a intel 2200bg for wirless
[08:35] <wizard> i am suffering from depression. no music!
[08:35] <shirish> !printing
[08:35] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:35] <crimsun> wizard: did you try -13 as we suggested?
[08:35] <wizard> crimsun: i don't have it installed and i really hate backtracking kernel versions
[08:36] <shirish> guys is there or is there not a seperate IRC channel for printing?
[08:36] <wizard> crimsun: i am half-tempted to go back to edgy-eft
[08:36] <shirish> I meant ubuntu-printing
[08:36] <shirish> or something like that
[08:36] <macogw> wizard: how do you not have it installed?
[08:36] <Toma-> shirish: whats the prob?
[08:36] <K`zan> I'm having all sorts of USB problems, should I re-install udev?
[08:36] <wizard> macogw: I went straight from -10 to -14
[08:36] <macogw> howd you do that?
[08:37] <macogw> didnt update for 2 months?
[08:37] <wizard> followed the ubuntu guide lol
[08:37] <shirish> Toma:- I have a friend who has ubuntu dapper installed & he has an .rpm driver as the printer driver
[08:37] <DanaG> Why no music?
[08:37] <jussi01> la de da...
[08:37] <wizard> DanaG: no sound
[08:37] <wizard> everything else works 100%, no sound
[08:37] <crimsun> wizard: did 2.6.20-10 give you audible sound?
[08:37] <Toma-> shirish: use alien to convert it and cross your fingers it works?
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: yup 10 worked great except for networking
[08:38] <hylje> mm
[08:38] <hylje> opera stopped working after last update
[08:38] <jussi01> shirish,  which printer
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: but i allowed the install to remove 10 like a fool
[08:38] <crimsun> wizard: notice that I'm not talking about 2.6.17-10 but 2.6.20-10
[08:38] <shirish> Toma:- I already did that, the deb is there, what else needs to be done
[08:38] <Toma-> shirish: better yet, get the sources for the driver (if its possible) and install it that way
[08:38] <Toma-> shirish: dpkg -i yournew.deb
[08:38] <wizard> err crimsun whatever ubuntu edgy's kernel is worked just fine
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: except for there were lots and lots of errors with network-manager
[08:38] <crimsun> wizard: that's 2.6.17-10 NOT 2.6.20-10
[08:38] <shirish> jussio1, Toma Ill get the webpage for the printer then u guys can help me more better
[08:39] <crimsun> wizard: and that really makes my life a lot more miserable
[08:39] <crimsun> wizard: there have been a ton of changes between these two kernels
[08:39] <wizard> crimsun: this was my first feisty install and it was brand new yesterday.
[08:39] <wizard> i was half-tempted to try a fresh from-cd feisty install
[08:40] <DanaG> You can dig around on repos for old kernel versions/
[08:40] <DanaG> .
[08:40] <crimsun> wizard: can you download the beta cd and try sound there?
[08:40] <wizard> crimsun: yeah
[08:40] <wizard> what cd writing software does gnome use by default?
[08:40] <crimsun> what's built into nautilus
[08:41] <jussi01> wizard, just right click the iso and burn to disk...
[08:41] <wizard> jussi01: okay
[08:41] <shirish> Toma, jussi01: the printer is an Epson Stylus Photo R230
[08:41] <wizard> well the download is comming half-way around the world
[08:41] <wizard> but i'll test it
[08:41] <wizard> crimsun: so you want me to just boot up and then see if i have sound out-of-box on the livecd?
[08:41] <crimsun> wizard: yes
[08:42] <wizard> crimsun: okay, i think i can manage that
[08:42] <shirish> Toma, jussi01 :- http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_ink.html
[08:42] <wizard> i was already considering a reinstall since i fricked up and started with kubuntu
[08:42] <Toma-> shirish: im pretty sure that driver is in gutenprint. ive got a epson R550 working without any need for pesky rpms
[08:42] <crimsun> kubuntu works dandy
[08:42] <crimsun> well, at least in my VM
[08:43] <wizard> i don't like kde for laptop use
[08:43] <wizard> i like simple and basic
[08:43] <wizard> gnome = simple and basic
[08:43] <shirish> Toma:- I searched in linuxprinting.org as well as at guten-print they have till epson Stylus photo R220, I did install whatever came with dapper but that is it
[08:43] <wizard> off topic but.... is there a way to make gnome lock my icons to the right side of the desktop?
[08:43] <DanaG> This has .20-12:
[08:43] <DanaG> http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/
[08:43] <Toma-> shirish: can you not use the 220 driver?
[08:43] <jussi01> shirish, you can use the 220 driver
[08:44] <Lynoure> I like configurability, especially on a laptop :) Now if I only could make my menus less high...
[08:44] <DanaG> and go up to restricted and find restricted-modules.
[08:44] <shirish> Toma, jussi01:- I have used it but it only spiffs out test prints nothing from any of the apps
[08:44] <Toma-> shirish: youre apps are probably printing to postscript
[08:44] <K`zan> Camera (/dev/ttyUSB0) won't register even though usbview sees it, ditto with the Palm Pilot (/dev/ttyUSB1) - any ideas.  /dev entries are what was coming up when the devices were plugged in.  Any thoughts appreciated!
[08:45] <shirish> Toma:- how do I find out if they are printing to postscript
[08:45] <Toma-> shirish: try printing something from gedit and make sure you select the printer in the print section
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: mine started to do that at last kernel update too.
[08:46] <shirish> Toma:- I tried doing it from evince, or document viewer nothing
[08:46] <jussi01> Lynoure, have you reported a bug?
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: same wireless by the way, but I assume there can be other reasons
[08:46] <jussi01> oh
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: no, not yet. Did not dig for the cause yet.
[08:46] <Toma-> shirish: ok, ive got no idea :( im busy debugging my SNES controller hack
[08:46] <shirish> Toma:- when I give lpr filename it prints but only 1/4th of the page not the whole page
[08:47] <shirish> Toma:- ok cool
[08:47] <Lynoure> jussi01: if you did, I'll happily confirm it for you.
[08:47] <Lynoure> jussi01: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:47] <shirish> jussi01: can u help me?
[08:47] <jussi01> Lynoure, ubuntu
[08:48] <jussi01> shirish, Im not sure from here on.... for me cups=cant usually print stuff...sorry
[08:48] <shirish> jussi01: ok cool
[08:48] <helga> so 2.6.20 wont load for me...it hangs on enterprise volume manager and throws weird errors forever
[08:48] <helga> older kernels work fine
[08:49] <helga> this is an upgrade from edgy
[08:50] <wizard> crimsun: if this doesn't work i may downgrade back to ubuntu 6.10 and wait out till the official 7.04
[08:50] <hylje> opera segfaults on newer X, BadDevice errors
[08:51] <crimsun> wizard: that's your choice. I can guarantee it won't be fixed for Feisty, however, if we don't at least attempt to pinpoint the culprit.
[08:52] <wizard> crimsun: well i've been reading around and it seems a lot of people that use snd_hda_intel are suffering the same flaws.
[08:52] <crimsun> "the same flaws"?
[08:52] <wizard> crimsun: no sound, unable to get sound
[08:52] <crimsun> no, that's a symptom with at least a hundred different causes
[08:53] <wizard> well im working on it man but like anyone else...
[08:53] <wizard> im burning out a lil bit.
[08:53] <wizard> i like ubuntu, its come leaps and bounds and gnome looks hot.
[08:53] <wizard> but i just want to also be able to watch some net videos with sound and get wifi workin. feisty almost is perfect
[08:53] <AngryElf_> does fiesty use aiglx or xgl/
[08:54] <icecruncher> how can you backdowngrade?
[08:54] <crimsun> wizard: how can you even say that you feel burnt out? I've been doing alsa work for YEARS.
[08:54] <wizard> crimsun: i've been googling and not sleeping trying to find self-fixes before frustrating anyone else
[08:55] <crimsun> wizard: then consider the Feisty Beta desktop iso another step in the debugging, because I certainly do, and I GUARANTEE I've spent more time debugging this issue than the vast majority of people.
[08:55] <icecruncher> can anyone tell me how to backdowngrade??
[08:55] <crimsun> icecruncher: additional context needed
[08:55] <wizard> crimsun: ohh don't get me wrong im still trying -- and i do appreciate all you're doing
[08:56] <jussi01> Lynoure, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675
[08:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:56] <wizard> crimsun: in no way was i trying to pun your efforts to help me if it appeared that way my apologies, i am very grateful you're taking your time at this.
[08:56] <icecruncher> crimsun: as in go back to edgy from feisty
[08:56] <crimsun> icecruncher: reinstall edgy.
[08:56] <icecruncher> crimsun: possible as a live network install?
[08:57] <crimsun> icecruncher: using the same netboot method that has been available since warty, yes.
[08:57] <icecruncher> crimsun: could you give me link perhaps?
[08:58] <crimsun> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[08:58] <wizard>  heh warty... 2004 ubuntu
[08:59] <crimsun> icecruncher: substitute "i386" with the desired arch
[08:59] <icecruncher> crimsun: pls a bit more detail, am pretty new at this lol
[09:00] <crimsun> icecruncher: do a google search for "ubuntu netinstall pxe"
[09:00] <icecruncher> k
[09:03] <DanaG> Oh, it IS possible to downgrade distros.
[09:03] <DanaG> Google for
[09:03] <DanaG> /etc/apt/preferences
[09:03] <DanaG> in quotes.
[09:04] <DanaG> You have to have repos for both enabled.
[09:04] <crimsun> sure, but it's NASTY.
[09:04] <DanaG> Also, it doesn't always work correctly.
[09:04] <DanaG> now I have a new apprecation for what Linux developers have to deal with.
[09:04] <crimsun> and I'm not going to give a solution that doesn't always work correctly and can lead to data loss.
[09:05] <DanaG> I came from Java, so C is a lot more "nitty-gritty".
[09:05] <DanaG> Right, the !worksforme thing applies to downgrades
[09:05] <DanaG> !worksforme
[09:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:05] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~gfisher/classes/357/programs/1/writeup-revised.html
[09:07] <crimsun> nice to see that we're still recommending the broken strcpy(3)
[09:07] <DanaG> I didn't use that in my implementation.
[09:08] <crimsun> I think the last professor I had smacked me in the face when he saw that.
[09:08] <icecruncher> crimsun: how about a internet install?
[09:08] <crimsun> as a result, I now smack my students when I see that.
[09:08] <DanaG> Funny things I found with man str<tab>:   strfry and (through "see also") memfrob.
[09:08] <crimsun> icecruncher: em, the netboot _is_ an Internet install.
[09:09] <icecruncher> crimsun: true, but I don't have anny other comps or a cd to write on
[09:10] <icecruncher> crimsun: lol, sorry, i see it no
[09:10] <icecruncher> crimsun: but is there also a version for kubuntu
[09:10] <icecruncher> ?
[09:10] <crimsun> DanaG: the last, with contributions from the former two.
[09:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:11] <DanaG> I believe SuSE did have some of it, to a lesser degree.  I was surprised that tab-completion was not by default enabled for sudo (or sudo -i) in Ubuntu/Debian.
[09:11] <wizard> crimsun: the iso is only about half-way done
[09:11] <wizard> so its gonna be a lil bit
[09:11] <crimsun> icecruncher: it's largely irrelevant. Just install kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-minimal.
[09:11] <icecruncher> yeah, true
[09:12] <crimsun> wizard: that's fine
[09:12] <DanaG> One thing I've learned, that now seems kinda' obvious:  Just because something isn't what I'm looking for, it doesn't mean it's bad.
[09:12] <wizard> the dl just got slower and slower lol
[09:12] <crimsun> I'll be here all night, more than likely
[09:12] <wizard> went from 750 kbps to 101
[09:12] <DanaG> I prefer Gnome over KDE, because KDE feels bulky to me; however, that doesn't mean KDE is bad.
[09:12] <DanaG> The same is true for Apple stuff --
[09:12] <wizard> DanaG: apple owner for 5 years
[09:12] <wizard> they are bad now lol
[09:13] <wizard> not so much for design but so much for the "We charge this much, you get wee bit"
[09:13] <DanaG> I got something by Cowon, instead of the Apple iPod anything, because iPod didn't do what I want.  That doesn't mean it's bad, though.
[09:13] <icecruncher> crimsun: ok just to double check, boot from live cd, then choose network install (when) and put in the internet address...
[09:13] <jussi01> !java
[09:13] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[09:13] <jussi01> !java feisty
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java feisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <jussi01> !info java feisty
[09:14] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in feisty
[09:14] <DanaG> However, this is the first time I've ever been truly pissed off at Apple:
[09:14] <DanaG> http://www.ergoblog.com/2005/07/fingerworks_clo.html
[09:14] <wizard> isn't java default now?
[09:14] <crimsun> icecruncher: no.
[09:14] <crimsun> icecruncher: pxe boot.
[09:14] <wizard> DanaG: you know what pissed me off aobut apple? the way they claimed to be holier-than-thu on hardware
[09:14] <DanaG> http://www.ergoamerica.com/pad.html
[09:15] <wizard> and a side by side comparison of the most expensive macbook pro vs. an asus was a no-brainer for the asus.
[09:15] <DanaG> Apple bought and killed them.
[09:15] <DanaG> Imagine how wonderful that board would be for people with physical disabilities!
[09:16] <icecruncher> crimsun: sorry, i still dont get it
[09:18] <jussi01> far out...
[09:19] <jussi01> why does flash from the repos always take so freakin long?? like cant they change the download site so we get more that 5 BYTES per second???
[09:19] <jussi01> grrr
[09:21] <wizard> amsn would be cool if it used gtk or even qt
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: meaning flashplugin-nonfree?
[09:21] <wizard> it just looks so ugly, yet it supports webcams
[09:21] <jussi01> crimsun, yeah
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: it's because we /can't/ grab it from any other site.
[09:21] <Adlai> anyone know why USB devices aren't being recognized after a recent update?
[09:21] <jussi01> oh..
[09:21] <Adlai> and preferably, how to fix it
[09:22] <icecruncher> crimsun: I'm following this link http://abel.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/~janos/unix/howto/pxe.html, but I'm confused of where to use this command mkdir pxelinux.cfg
[09:22] <[Phaedrus] > Is there a way to do remote desktop to your ubuntu machine, from windows?
[09:24] <crimsun> icecruncher: just see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD , then.
[09:26] <icecruncher> crimsun: I don't have any cd's to burn to
[09:27] <crimsun> icecruncher: then use any of the other advanced network methods on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[09:30] <Tomcat_> Eh... Herd-6 is cancelled? Does anyone know more?
[09:31] <crimsun> we're concentrating on RC.
[09:32] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000272.html
[09:44] <AngryElf_> ugh, now I can't even log into my session, after typing password, screen goes blank except for mouse -- it's not xorg.conf as i've tried a few versions and reconfigured
[09:44] <AngryElf_> no apparent errors in Xorg.0.log (last three lines are about missing font paths though)
[09:45] <AngryElf_> bah, wrong channel
[09:46] <Zambezi> Anyone have any idea why the previewscan is just black when I try to scan with my "supported" HP Scanjet 4370?
[09:50] <Crazytom> giovanni2122, how old is the computer?
[09:50] <giovanni2122> if anyone could help that'd be great, i just installed 7.04 and i started using desktop effects yesterday, but about 10minutes into using it
[09:50] <giovanni2122> it just stopped
[09:50] <giovanni2122> how old is my computer?
[09:50] <Crazytom> yes
[09:50] <giovanni2122> i just built it
[09:51] <Crazytom> did you use an x fi soundcard?
[09:51] <macogw> what kinda graphis?
[09:51] <giovanni2122> do you want the specs?
[09:51] <macogw> *graphics
[09:51] <macogw> yes
[09:51] <giovanni2122> no i use a m-audio revolution
[09:51] <giovanni2122> a evga 512mb 7950gt ko
[09:51] <Tomcat_> Thx crimsun.
[09:51] <Crazytom> you'll proly be fine using feisty then
[09:51] <giovanni2122> okay
[09:51] <giovanni2122> so all the effects on like youtube will be good to go on mine?
[09:51] <macogw> did compiz or the whole thing stop?
[09:52] <macogw> giovanni2122: well compiz is beta
[09:52] <giovanni2122> did compiz?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> sorry really new i have no idea
[09:52] <giovanni2122> basically
[09:52] <giovanni2122> before i did the ctrl+alt+left click and drag to rotate
[09:52] <macogw> did your computer freeze or did the wobblies disappear?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> and now i just drag a window
[09:52] <giovanni2122> instead of rotating the cube
[09:52] <giovanni2122> no the windows still wobble
[09:52] <giovanni2122> and in the bottom right
[09:52] <giovanni2122> there is still a pic of a cube
[09:52] <macogw> so -just- the cube went screwy?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> it just won't work
[09:52] <giovanni2122> like it wont rotate
[09:53] <giovanni2122> or even go to other faces
[09:53] <giovanni2122> then the one im on
[09:53] <macogw> yeah there've been cube issues for the last few days...
[09:53] <giovanni2122> i mean its fine
[09:53] <giovanni2122> in 2 weeks im gonna format and install the release
[09:53] <macogw> up until like a week ago cube didnt work at all i dont think
[09:53] <giovanni2122> but i was just wondering for the mean time how to play around so i know what im doing when i get the release
[09:53] <macogw> but the desktop effects are compiz, and compiz is beta software.  it is buggy and will occasionally crash and that's just how it is
[09:53] <giovanni2122> okay
[09:54] <giovanni2122> well thats fine then
[09:54] <giovanni2122> i mean even on a restart it wont work
[09:54] <giovanni2122> but yeah ill just wait for the release
[09:54] <giovanni2122> but i had a couple questions do you mind answering them?
[09:54] <macogw> you can install gnome-compiz-manager to configure it more fully than "desktop effects" allows
[09:54] <macogw> it has a lot more options than "wobble" and "cube"
[09:55] <macogw> sure
[09:55] <LoneShadow> I have a dual boot containing xp and vista, can I install feisty without messing up boot options ?
[09:55] <macogw> LoneShadow: uh....sorta
[09:56] <macogw> you can make a /boot partition and tell it to put grub there then chainlink the windows bootloader in the mbr and tell it to load grub which will load linux
[09:56] <giovanni2122> how do i install gnome-compiz-manager
[09:56] <giovanni2122> ?
[09:56] <macogw> or you can have grub go on the mbr and it'll automatically add the 2 windowses to the menu.lst
[09:56] <macogw> giovanni2122: sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[09:56] <macogw> same way you install anything :p
[09:58] <giovanni2122> sorry really new to all fo this
[09:58] <giovanni2122> and i enter that into the box when i do alt-f2?
[09:58] <macogw> LoneShadow: ive never done it though.  i know it adds them just dandy if they're linux.  for windows you may have to grub > ntldr > windows chainlink, but idk how
[09:58] <giovanni2122> because i did and nothing happened
[09:58] <macogw> google it
[09:58] <macogw> giovanni2122: why are you using unstable?
[09:58] <giovanni2122> unstable?
[09:58] <giovanni2122> whats that?
[09:59] <LoneShadow> vista has changes its boot loader
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: well the next thing it would do after entering that command is ask for a password which it couldnt because you used the application launcher
[09:59] <LoneShadow> changed*
[09:59] <macogw> use the terminal
[09:59] <giovanni2122> how do i use the terminal?
[09:59] <LoneShadow> some folks had issues installing dapper as dual boot
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: applications > accessories > terminal
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: you really shouldnt be using unstable if you don't know your way around the terminal
[10:00] <macogw> giovanni2122: unstable means it's not stable.  stable releases are finished and working and not so buggy
[10:00] <icecruncher> sells $macogw on ebay
[10:00] <macogw> unstable tend to accidentally break
[10:00] <macogw> icecruncher: why's that?
[10:00] <giovanni2122> how do i use it after its done?
[10:01] <macogw> giovanni2122: when it's released, you'll know that the bugs have been worked out and you can use it without worrying about having to fix things that broke.  often when things break, the way to fix them involves using the terminal.  sometimes, it involves ONLY having a terminal and nothing that can let you use a mouse or click on things. in those cases, you need to know the terminal rather well
[10:02] <giovanni2122> okay
[10:02] <giovanni2122> ill read up on it
[10:02] <wizard> crimsun: the cd is finally writing
[10:02] <giovanni2122> how do i access the gnome-compiz-manager
[10:02] <giovanni2122> once its done downloading
[10:02] <wizard> crimsun: if you're still up
[10:02] <giovanni2122> ?
[10:02] <macogw> giovanni2122: once it's installed, i assume it will appear in a menu somewhere. if not, that's when you can use the application launcher
[10:02] <macogw> (the alt f2 thing)
[10:03] <giovanni2122> and just type
[10:03] <giovanni2122> gnome-compiz-manager?
[10:03] <macogw> yeah
[10:03] <giovanni2122> thats weird
[10:03] <giovanni2122> it says file not found
[10:03] <macogw> almost any application can be launched by typing its name in either the application launcher or the terminal
[10:03] <giovanni2122> but the terminal returned to the normal line after i typed what you said
[10:03] <giovanni2122> does that not necessarily mean it installed correctly
[10:04] <giovanni2122> >
[10:04] <giovanni2122> ?
[10:04] <macogw> well i guess i should try installing it...
[10:04] <macogw> i dont have it installed because i use beryl
[10:04] <macogw> which is slightly less stable than compiz branch of compiz
[10:04] <crimsun> wizard: ok.
[10:04] <giovanni2122> i wish i knew enough to install all of that
[10:04] <macogw> giovanni2122: open a terminal and type man man
[10:04] <giovanni2122> so the 7.04 release will feature everything beryl and beryl xgl will have to offer?
[10:05] <macogw> try to read that
[10:05] <mnk> hi all - i am using feisty and my nvidia drivers were working - but now they are not - it keeps saying nvidia.ko not found
[10:05] <macogw> giovanni2122: itll have compiz, but not enabled by default, just installed.  compiz is a "might work" because some graphics cards don't work with it.  it's not a "guaranteed not to crash" but it won't take down the system if it does
[10:06] <mnk> this happened only after i performed an update
[10:06] <macogw> mnk: the linux-restricted-modules didnt update them
[10:06] <macogw> *then
[10:06] <macogw> boot into the -13 one instead
[10:06] <giovanni2122> so if i want to do all of the crazy beryl xgl stuff
[10:06] <giovanni2122> what shoudl i do
[10:06] <macogw> and run an upgrade from there to see if the rest gets in
[10:06] <giovanni2122> wait for 7.04
[10:06] <giovanni2122> and install beryl xgl
[10:06] <giovanni2122> just use 6.1
[10:06] <giovanni2122> ??
[10:06] <macogw> giovanni2122: you dont need beryl
[10:06] <macogw> compiz will be on 7.04
[10:07] <[Cade] > macogw, speaking of which: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2415171#post2415171
[10:07] <K`zan> Well, sigh, with these usb problems it looks like I am headed back to edgy :-(.
[10:07] <giovanni2122> okay but you said it might crash
[10:07] <macogw> theyre very very similar
[10:07] <[Cade] > I just typed that up REAL quick like
[10:07] <[Cade] > ^_^;
[10:07] <mnk> what is the -13 one? i don't understand
[10:07] <giovanni2122> so wouldn't beryl be mroe stable
[10:07] <macogw> giovanni2122: no beryl is less stable
[10:07] <macogw> it's like compiz's testing ground
[10:07] <giovanni2122> ah
[10:07] <macogw> mnk: the linux kernel upgrade that happened today was 2.6.20-14
[10:07] <giovanni2122> okay so basically waiting for the release of 7.04 to come out
[10:07] <giovanni2122> would be the best option at this point
[10:07] <K`zan> Before I go, anyone else loose devices that need /dev/ttyUSB* with updates today?
[10:07] <macogw> mnk: when grub loads, you should pick 2.6.20-13
[10:08] <macogw> giovanni2122: well you can get them working with 6.10 without much difficulty too.  it's "copy and paste this into the terminal" off of howtos, but neither will be stable on feisty regardless
[10:08] <macogw> neither of them will be stable for at least a few months
[10:08] <mnk> oic
[10:08] <giovanni2122> k
[10:08] <mnk> and then what macogw
[10:08] <LoneShadow> can I use the cd as a livecd ?
[10:09] <mnk> ?
[10:09] <macogw> well, actually, they're about to merge, and then theyll smooth everything out and then theyll get it stable
[10:09] <giovanni2122> alright well also how do i access my linux drive while in xp?
[10:09] <giovanni2122> or can i?
[10:09] <macogw> mnk: after booting into the -13?  run the upgrader again.  the linux-restricted-modules for -14 didn't get into your box apparently, so you'll need to get it to install
[10:10] <macogw> giovanni2122: you can install ext2 drivers for windows
[10:10] <mnk> macogw: would it work if i uninstalled it and then reinstalled it?
[10:10] <giovanni2122> and where do i get that?
[10:10] <giovanni2122> just google it?
[10:10] <macogw> giovanni2122: the way i'm set up is that i have the feisty system files on one partition, system files for fedora on another, and then a big data partition that both share
[10:10] <macogw> you can do that with ubuntu/windows to share your data
[10:10] <macogw> if you make that partition fat-32, both of them can read it
[10:11] <giovanni2122> k well i have xp on one hdd
[10:11] <giovanni2122> linux on one hdd
[10:11] <giovanni2122> and vista on teh third
[10:11] <macogw> mnk: no you need to get the new version.  that doesn do it
[10:11] <mnk> ok
[10:11] <mnk> brb
[10:11] <macogw> giovanni2122: oh ok
[10:11] <giovanni2122> okay so should i make that partition fat-32 in linux or in windows?
[10:12] <macogw> giovanni2122: it wont be "in" anything
[10:12] <macogw> it'll be by itself
[10:12] <giovanni2122> well i mean like
[10:12] <giovanni2122> which OS do i use to format it to fat-32
[10:12] <giovanni2122> sorry
[10:12] <macogw> but fat32 fragments, so you're probably better off doing it like this:
[10:12] <macogw> on the linux drive, have 3 partitions
[10:12] <macogw> 10gb for /
[10:12] <macogw> 1gb for swap
[10:12] <macogw> and the rest for /home
[10:12] <macogw> the installer will let you pick how those are named
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and how do i do that
[10:13] <macogw> i mean, it lets you pick mount points (which are like a: c: names, but the way linux sees them)
[10:13] <giovanni2122> if i have partition magic in windows
[10:13] <macogw> giovanni2122: the installer for linux does it
[10:13] <giovanni2122> so i just reinsert the boot cd
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and run linux off of the cd
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and in the install itll have it?
[10:14] <macogw> giovanni2122: when you install final version, and the installer's going, there'll be an option to manually partition the drive
[10:14] <giovanni2122> oh okay
[10:14] <giovanni2122> and linux can't read NTFC
[10:14] <giovanni2122> or NTSC whichever its called
[10:14] <macogw> giovanni2122: the way that partitioning scheme works is your system files are in /, swap is virtual memory, and /home is where your configurations and files are
[10:14] <macogw> NTFS
[10:15] <giovanni2122> haha okay
[10:15] <giovanni2122> linux can't read that though?
[10:15] <macogw> if you ever need to reinstall linux, you can tell the installer to mount /home and then instead of having a blank drive, you'll still have all your stuff
[10:15] <macogw> there are beta drivers for linux to read NTFS
[10:15] <giovanni2122> k
[10:15] <macogw> when i've used them for rescue-work on my friend's laptop, they've worked
[10:16] <giovanni2122> one last question and thank you so much for helping again
[10:16] <macogw> there are good drivers for windows to be able to read linux drives as well
[10:16] <giovanni2122> how do i do like a ctrl-alt-delete in linux
[10:16] <giovanni2122> to end tasks
[10:16] <Crazytom> kill -9 number
[10:16] <macogw> giovanni2122: loaded question...
[10:16] <macogw> Crazytom: he wont understand that
[10:16] <Crazytom> ps -aux
[10:16] <macogw> aux?
[10:16] <macogw> i always use -e
[10:17] <giovanni2122> hey i found it
[10:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: sound on the feisty cd!
[10:17] <giovanni2122> system monitor right?
[10:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: theres sound!!!
[10:17] <macogw> giovanni2122: yes that's it
[10:17] <macogw> but if you're *really* locked, you might not be able to get to it
[10:18] <macogw> then again, if you're *really* locked, there's ctrl alt backspace
[10:18] <giovanni2122> k thanks again
[10:18] <macogw> that restarts the X server which is the graphical stuff and logs you out
[10:18] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: uname -r
[10:19] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: 2.6.20-12
[10:20] <crimsun> ok, so that's a starting point.
[10:20] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> should i reinstall from the CD and see how it goes from there?
[10:21] <crimsun> nah, I'd rsync up to the current daily-live
[10:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> how do i do that?
[10:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: but i am also worried about the ammount of damage i've done trying to get sound to work too
[10:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> it concerns me that even if i find a fix, it may not work due to other attempted-fixes
[10:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> fortunately i can hose this install because its 2 days old
[10:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: and i separated my partitions so i can log straight back in to my home folder
[10:24] <crimsun> install the rsync package, then ``rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/feisty*i386.iso .''
[10:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> * replace with the nightly for today or just leave it as star?
[10:26] <crimsun> that command verbatim
[10:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay
[10:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if this doesn't work... hose it?
[10:26] <crimsun> make sure you're in the directory containing the actual image.
[10:26] <Crazytom> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, do you have an x fi sound card?
[10:27] <crimsun> hmm, actually you'll end up download the entire image again, it seems, since the files are named differently
[10:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the image that i have here?
[10:27] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: just leave the rsync running overnight, then, and burn it and boot from it later to verify whether sound works in the current daily-live
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: is that secondary period at the end of iso supposed to be there
[10:29] <crimsun> yes.
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay cos i typed it and hit enter and its still kinda... sitting
[10:29] <crimsun> there's actually a space between the 'o' and the '.'
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yeah i did that
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i hit enter it cleared to the next line but isn't showing any status
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> just a blinking cursor
[10:30] <crimsun> be patient
[10:30] <mnk> macogw: i tried what u said but it still says nvidia.ko not found - it is looking in some directory called volatile or something. i did a locate for nvidia.ko but there is none on the machine!
[10:30] <crimsun> if rsync can't establish a connection, it will bail shorttly.
[10:30] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: there it goes
[10:30] <macogw> mnk: was the driver there before the update?  was it there by default or was it a third party one that you installed?
[10:30] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: where is it downloading to?
[10:31] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: the current directory
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> homefolder
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its going rather quck
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> quick
[10:31] <mnk> macogw: i installed it on edgy using automatix. then, when i upgraded to feisty it worked, then i updated and it stopped working, then i updated and it worked again; and then i updated and it hasn't worked since - even after a few updates
[10:32] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: now if this fails to work....?
[10:32] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: then we can git-bisect.
[10:32] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> whats that?
[10:33] <crimsun> I've only committed a handful of changes to patch_analog.c anyhow, so it may be fairly straightforward to pinpoint the culprit commits.
[10:33] <macogw> mnk: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep linux-restricted-modules
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: you're on the dev team eh?
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.13_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.14_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20.4-14.15_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.20.13.10_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.20.14.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.12_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.13_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.14_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-14.15_all.deblinux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.13_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the heck man?
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_2.6.20.4-13.14_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> stop it
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20.4-14.15_i386.deb
[10:33] <macogw> ok uh maybe i shouldve mentioned the pastbin
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.20.13.10_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.20.14.12_i386.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.12_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.13_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-13.14_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-14.15_all.deb
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> someone please...
[10:34] <mnk> oops sorry guys
[10:34] <macogw> is that it?
[10:34] <mnk> :$
[10:34] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: yes, I take care of alsa.
[10:34] <mnk> yes
[10:34] <macogw> ok good
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: ohh awesome
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no wonder you're so in-depth
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> im 20% done with the DL
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i cant see it in my homefolder yet tho.. probably a hidden file for now eh
[10:35] <mnk> macogw: my kernel is 2.6.20-14-386
[10:35] <macogw> mnk: ok well that means l-r-m is there (see how each of them has a 2.6.20-14 entry?)
[10:36] <mnk> macogw: yeah i can see linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20.4-14.15_i386.deb and linux-restricted-modules-386_2.6.20.14.12_i386.deb
[10:37] <mnk> macogw: but there is no common right?
[10:38] <macogw> common is two lines above t3hwiz0rd-ibook getting all "what the heck?"
[10:38] <mnk> but that's not 2.6.20.14
[10:39] <foxiness> hey, after i cp from my archive /var/crash ,coz i need to do some work on upload crash report but apport put my system on for loop,none stop ?how colud i stop that?
[10:39] <macogw> mnk: there's also anther common at the very end
[10:39] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-14.15_all.deb
[10:39] <mnk>  that's not 2.6.20.14 either
[10:39] <macogw> hm then in that case maybe that is your problem..
[10:39] <mnk> macogw: so how do i install it?
[10:40] <macogw> are you in tty or graphical right now?
[10:40] <crimsun> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.4-14.15_all.deb is the correct & current package.
[10:40] <crimsun>  *** 2.6.20.4-14.15 0
[10:40] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages
[10:40] <crimsun>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:40] <macogw> crimsun: thanks
[10:41] <mnk> even though there is a 4 before the 14?
[10:41] <macogw> mnk: idk what to tell ya.  maybe you can find a third party driver and install it with envy or something
[10:41] <macogw> but its 5 am so i'm going to sleep
[10:41] <macogw> good night
[10:41] <mnk> lol
[10:41] <mnk> thanks anyway
[10:41] <crimsun> mnk: that's the series, not the actual epoch.
[10:42] <macogw> sorry, i dont have much expreience with nvidia
[10:42] <mnk> crimsun: do u have any idea what could be wrong? it keeps saying nvidia.ko not found
[10:42] <macogw> the only nvidia computer i tried to install on refused the installation
[10:42] <mnk> and when i do a locate, it sure isn't there
[10:42] <arejay> anyone able to get public_html working with apache2 in feisty?
[10:43] <arejay> i cannot enable the userdir module - not included?
[10:43] <arejay> root@rj-laptop:/etc/apache2# a2enmod user_dir
[10:43] <arejay> This module does not exist!
[10:43] <crimsun> mnk: locate depends on a daily updated database that runs at 6 AM
[10:43] <crimsun> (well, not precisely 6 AM, but close enough)
[10:43] <mnk> crimsun: i just did an updatedb
[10:44] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: is it normal for the speeds on this to bounce from like 900 to 2 kbps
[10:44] <mnk> also - when i click on system->admin->restricted drivers - the nvidia is not there
[10:44] <crimsun> mnk: which graphics card?
[10:44] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: yes
[10:44] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: kk
[10:44] <mnk> nvidia geforce
[10:44] <mnk> it was working on edgy
[10:44] <crimsun> mnk: /which/ geforce?
[10:44] <crimsun> the actual geforce model is /very/ important
[10:44] <mnk> crimsun:  i installed it on edgy using automatix. then, when i upgraded to feisty it worked, then i updated and it stopped working, then i updated and it worked again; and then i updated and it hasn't worked since - even after a few updates
[10:45] <mnk> crimsun: erm leme check
[10:45] <crimsun> mnk: you do realize that that description is fairly useless simply due to your not providing details about /when/ and /how/ you updated, no?
[10:45] <mnk> crimsun: GeForce FX 5200
[10:46] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: it will appear to speed up ridiculously over the common bits
[10:46] <crimsun> that's simply part of the rsync protocol
[10:46] <mnk> crimsun: is there anyway i can reinstall linux-r-m?
[10:47] <crimsun> mnk: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:48] <mnk> ok leme check that crimsun - thanks
[10:48] <mnk> brb
[10:51] <mnk> crimsun: aah that did the trick - it works now :)
[10:51] <mnk> crimsun: thanks
[10:51] <crimsun> np.
[10:52] <mnk> crimsun: one more thing though - i am using svn's beryl. i was using it in edgy before and it was fine. it still works fine here too but the only thing is that in the top left menu - a few options have disappeared since edgy - such as: "always opn top" and "stay on all workspaces". any idea why they have disappeared?
[10:52] <mnk> crimsun: i apreciate ur help btw
[10:52] <crimsun> I don't use Beryl, so I don't know. Sorry.
[10:52] <mnk> ok np
[10:52] <mnk> thanks anyway
[10:56] <savvas> how can i install opera in feisty? i get segmentation faults when i run the static/shared versions from opera website :\
[10:57] <crimsun> they probably just need to recompile
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: all dl'd
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> burning to cd
[10:58] <crimsun> ok
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if this one works
[10:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> reinstall?
[10:59] <crimsun> then install from it.
[10:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> aight
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> uhh problem
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the iso is too big for the cd 0.o
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> iso is 711.2, cd's 700
[11:00] <crimsun> oh, right, it's oversized
[11:00] <Jonah> hey guys i'm struggling really hard to find a project or official page about vino gnome remote desktop, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> thats not good
[11:01] <crimsun> hmm, you'll have to wait til that's fixed, then, which should be early next week
[11:01] <crimsun> if you absolutely can't wait, just install from Beta
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> is there any major difference beside the kernel version?
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and if thats it, when i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, is it gonna revert back to this exact issue?>
[11:02] <crimsun> not really, but there are quite a few updates.
[11:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: hmmm
[11:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> could i install off beta and then apply these updates somehow with apt?
[11:02] <crimsun> it could. We're dealing with a kernel issue for sound that is unaffected by any update other than kernel ones.
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> how long is it gonna be before they resize the iso for this?
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> or could i burn it to a data DVD?
[11:03] <crimsun> you could try a dvd if you really wanted to
[11:03] <crimsun> I'd just wait
[11:03] <crimsun> it's the weekend, and generally people don't work on the weekend
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> right
[11:04] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> thats why i was thinking about installing from beta and then seeing if you know a way to get the daily build updates onto it
[11:04] <crimsun> of course you can just update && upgrade
[11:04] <crimsun> /not/ upgrade && dist-upgrade
[11:05] <crimsun> however, I vaguely remember some printing-related updates that required dist-upgrade
[11:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hmmm
[11:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i was also thinknig about going back to edgy until the final is released
[11:05] <Ramunas> hello
[11:06] <crimsun> do whatever you wish; just keep in mind that I can't help you resolve the apparent issue in 2.6.20-14,22 if you're not actually using it.
[11:06] <Ramunas> is 2.6.20-14-386 broken?
[11:06] <Jonah> hello anyone there? is there no project page or official page for vino?
[11:06] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Ramunas: do you have no sound?
[11:06] <Ramunas> X doesn't start with it
[11:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: we know the official beta CD works
[11:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> do you guys know which kernel is official with release?
[11:08] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: whatever is in the pool when the livefs is created.
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i am gonna install from beta 7.04 cd
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: then i'll update
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and we'll see if i hit the issue
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> so that i have a fall-back kernel to work off of
[11:09] <zdzichuBG> is there an easy way to get edgy's kernel source (or only ubuntu patches)? I'm on feisty
[11:10] <crimsun> zdzichuBG: all source is kept in the archive.
[11:10] <savvas> how can i install opera in feisty? i get segmentation faults when i run the static/shared versions from opera website
[11:10] <crimsun> we have no broken-out patches for the kernel; we use git. See hera.kernel.org/git/ , specifically the ubuntu-edgy.git tree.
[11:11] <zdzichuBG> crimsun: thank you
[11:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: once this is installed and i run dist-upgrade is it going to straight install -14?
[11:17] <crimsun> only if you use dist-upgrade
[11:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> but if i do simply upgrade it'll upgrade all the programs but not the kernel?
[11:18] <crimsun> any packages that require new ones or remove old ones won't be
[11:18] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> does java ship with 7.x?
[11:19] <concept10> how do I prevent totem from opening real media links?
[11:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: the repos on the beta will be the ones used in the final right?
[11:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> maybe i'll just hold out on upgrading *anything* until final is released lol
[11:23] <savvas> when will the final version be released
[11:23] <savvas> ?
[11:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> sometime in this month
[11:28] <Tm_T> ok, this is fun
[11:28] <Tm_T> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:32] <savvas> Tm_T: probably the update manager
[11:33] <valehru> savvas, I think the 19th...
[11:33] <Tm_T> savvas: hum? I shouldn't be using any of those
[11:33] <savvas> ok thanks
[11:34] <Tm_T> anyway, problem is gone
[11:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: tihs is weird... its telling me my password is wrong even though its not 0.o
[11:35] <savvas> Tm_T: maybe the update manager was checking for updates in the background
[11:35] <Tm_T> savvas: shouldn't
[11:36] <Tm_T> not running whatsoever
[11:36] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> is there any way to log into root on ubuntu at all?
[11:36] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> cos i can't log into my user at all...
[11:36] <savvas> Tm_T: i said *was*, whatever it was :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> savvas: hmm, this update-manager is some gnome app?
[11:36] <savvas> while you're installing or updating, apt will be locked
[11:37] <Tm_T> sure it is
[11:37] <savvas> Tm_T: run update-manager in terminal
[11:37] <valehru> umm...wtf....I tried to clean up the stuff I downloaded.  I did sudo apt-get autoclean.  It seems that it wants to delete everything on my system.  what the fuck?  Is there anyway I can reverse it?  I havent restarted yet.
[11:37] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> has anyone had an issue with ubuntu not letting them log back in?
[11:37] <Tm_T> savvas: yuck!
[11:38] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i think its cos my homefolder isn't chowned properly.
[11:38] <Tm_T> savvas: ok, what about it? never seen that before
[11:38] <savvas> valehru: try first: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:39] <jarle> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: What kind of error do you get?
[11:39] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: wrong password, but theres no way
[11:39] <savvas> Tm_T: read here: apt-cache show update-manager
[11:40] <Tm_T> savvas: err, I'm not getting what's the point
[11:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: im gonna try to chroot the partition and change the password and permissions
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: it checks sometime daily for updates if i'm not mistaken
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: the point of an update manager is to keep you updated ;)
[11:41] <Tm_T> savvas: yup, but it's not automatically run in my systiem
[11:41] <Tm_T> savvas: and I keep myself updated with apt-get thank you ;)
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: well ok, i just thought you use it
[11:42] <savvas> hey i'm suggesting stuff here, i don't know what you do every day there :p
[11:42] <Stormx2> hey
[11:42] <Stormx2> went to bed last night with ubuntu left on
[11:42] <Stormx2> wouldn't display anything just now
[11:42] <Stormx2> sceeen was blank
[11:43] <Stormx2> keyboard/mouse wouldn't get rid of it
[11:43] <Tm_T> savvas: mostly test and help with KDE and Kubuntu, sorta developer I guess ;)
[11:43] <Stormx2> and the Num Lock and Caps Lock LEDs were flashing on and off
[11:43] <Stormx2> what does that mean?
[11:44] <crimsun> it means your kernel panicked
[11:44] <Stormx2> oh really?
[11:44] <Stormx2> damn
[11:44] <crimsun> do you use fglrx or nvidia (or nvidia_legacy)?
[11:44] <savvas> Tm_T: ah sorry, i thought you use gnome since you're on #ubuntu+1, not #kubuntu+1 :p
[11:44] <Stormx2> I do
[11:44] <Stormx2> Shall I disable it?
[11:44] <crimsun> that's the first place I'd look.
[11:44] <Tm_T> savvas: there's no #kubuntu+1 afaik
[11:44] <Stormx2> I have no need to use it any more.
[11:44] <savvas> madness! :)
[11:45] <Tm_T> oh well, crawling thru init scripts if there's something weird stuff ->
[11:46] <Stormx2> what makes the kernel panic? what is a kernel panic?
[11:47] <savvas> Tm_T: check /etc/cron.* too
[11:47] <Tm_T> savvas: well there is but no cronjobs timed to around this time
[11:49] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the system isn't changing permissions for my old homefolder 0.o
[11:50] <savvas> Stormx2: system -> preferences -> power management -> put display to sleep: never and put computer to sleep: never
[11:51] <Stormx2> savvas: Wasn't it a kernel panic? o.o
[11:51] <savvas> Stormx2: google explains a kernel panic pretty well: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid39_gci1235371,00.html
[11:51] <savvas> no idea, if you saw weird text on the screen, then probably yes
[11:52] <Stormx2> I didn't see anything on screen
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: hmmmmmmmm omg
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: it may of been a bad user config that was jacking up sound from the getgo 0.o
[11:55] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: are you running 2.6.20-14 ?
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i logged in as my user in 12 and..... behold
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no sound
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i am reinstalling cos i messed something up and going from 100% scratch, even dumping my whole /home partition. as i said the entire config is only..... 2 days old
[11:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: its very possible that due to the things i did before going form kubuntu to ubuntu, i could of damaged something
[11:59] <savvas> Stormx2: then i guess it went to sleep, the steps i mentioned before should disable it from going to sleep
[12:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: if that was the case i'll apologize deeply... and buy you a teddy
[12:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if that wasn't the case... we'll pick up with 14 and keep workin'
[12:04] <Stormx2> savvas: I figured it went to sleep
[12:04] <Stormx2> savvas: This issue is that it wouldn't wake up, and crimsun said the keyboard LEDs flashing meant a kernel panic
[12:07] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: ok. Well, I'm off.
[12:10] <plus> cups printing stoped after upgrading to Feisty, is that a known issue? can anyone point me to a fix?
[12:12] <plus> print jobs disapear from the print manager without error
[12:14] <plus> cups access log - prints http request every minute
[12:16] <anti_pop> why is it required to let the memtest run several hours and not only 1 cycle ?
[12:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: okay, i don't plan to upgrade the kernel until you're around so
[12:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> anyone know why feisty wont enable the nvidia driver?
[12:23] <anti_pop> they will
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i hit enable in the restricted-manager
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> didnt' enable
[12:23] <anti_pop> card ?
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> so i tried to apt-get, they wouldn't apt-get
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> 7600gs
[12:23] <anti_pop> hmm that should work
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i know, they worked on edgy
[12:23] <anti_pop> did you try: sudo apt-get install ncidia-glx
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> does the module require a reboot?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yup
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> not on feisty repo's anymore
[12:24] <anti_pop> and sudo blabla enable thing ?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> what sudo?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> enable what?
[12:24] <anti_pop> second..
[12:24] <anti_pop> ill tell you in a minute
[12:25] <anti_pop> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:25] <anti_pop> then you need to restart X or a complete reboot, not sure
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> you seem to be missing it
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> there is no nvidia-glx on feisty repos
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> or if it is im not able to connect to the said repo
[12:26] <anti_pop> it is, just checked it
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> there we go
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the dumb thing was timing out
[12:27] <anti_pop> :)
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> woha theres no classic pointer in gnome now eh?
[12:27] <anti_pop> gotta go, good luck
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the simple black with white outline
[12:33] <jarle> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: There has been a lot of people reporting problems getting nvidia drivers to work on feisty (including myself)
[12:43] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: they're working...... but laggy suddenly.
[12:43] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> when i minimize i get mouse skip
[12:58] <Kaplan_> Hi all
[12:58] <Kaplan_> I'm having some missing fonts on my xorg conf since i upgraded to feisty
[12:59] <Kaplan_> how do i get rid of the warning
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType".
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	(Run 'mkfontdir' on "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType").
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (**) FontPath set to:
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[01:01] <Kaplan_> this are the errors
[01:02] <poningru> woah
[01:09] <rambo3> WW is not an error
[01:09] <rambo3> and dont paste here
[01:12] <Kaplan_> what is WW then?
[01:13] <rambo3> www -w
[01:13] <rambo3> Warning
[01:14] <rambo3> Kaplan_, use synaptic if you need those fonts and install them or apt
[01:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i got some updates for you when you wake up
[01:29] <Dame> Rhythmbox does not load all my music. It stops adding new songs when are around 100 songs added. I cant figure out whats the problem, every other player loads everything.
[01:51] <wizard> !mp3
[01:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:00] <wizard> crimsun: iunno if you'll check this between now and when you wake up in the AM
[02:01] <wizard> crimsun: just to be specific though... the audio problem *is* specific to -14... -12, -13 both worked fine, i am currently on -13 with -14 installed for your debugging usage. i am willing to boot to it and try to help you track the cause for a bug fix for feisty.
[02:04] <ShackJack> Hi Feisty Fans! This is weird - I use feisty on GNOME - when I did a aptitude dist-upgrade today, it's wanting to install a lot of KDE packages, like kicker, kdebase, kate, konqueror, kdm - lots of stuff beginning with K.  I have a couple K-apps running (Amarok, KTorrent)... Anyone else experience this or know why it might be happening?
[02:06] <IdleOne> ShackJack, same thing going on here. Im assuming it's just part of the " beta " process and will all be fixed with final release
[02:06] <elkbuntu> does a bug exist on launchpad for this?
[02:06] <ShackJack> ShackJack - I haven't checked myself...
[02:06] <ShackJack> Erm-- elkbuntu - haven't checked myself....
[02:07] <ShackJack> Talking to myself again :)
[02:07] <wizard> man I love how quick ubuntu runs on a core-duo
[02:07] <wizard> it blows windows straight out of hte water
[02:07] <ShackJack> Just happened for me today and I always do a dist-upgrade (and have been running a couple KDE apps all along)
[02:08] <ShackJack> wizard - mine runs great on the core duo too - noticed my compiz is a lot faster than Beryl
[02:08] <wizard> elkbuntu: hwhats the bug?
[02:08] <IdleOne> weird I just had to choose display manager gdm or kdm
[02:08] <wizard> ShackJack: it seems the linux kernel is just much smoother on the core duo than windows is
[02:08] <wizard> albeit my windows partition flies too
[02:08] <wizard> kernel 2.x flies even faster
[02:09] <wizard> shatrat: i got an asus laptop thats just a little beast of a machine
[02:09] <ShackJack> wizard - do you mean on boot up or in general running around?
[02:09] <wizard> both
[02:09] <wizard> boot-ups down about 10 seconds on both distros
[02:09] <ShackJack> IdleOne - you must've instlled the extra K stuff from a dist-upgrade
[02:09] <wizard> and general movement is 2x faster on both than my standard desktop
[02:10] <wizard> but ubuntu functions much faster than windows (linux always has but now its REALLY noticable)
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - 10 seconds - man I gotta check my boot routine - takes like a minute here (which is still pretty goof)
[02:10] <wizard> i really keep my stuff streamlined
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - I think I have most extranneous services turned off too...
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - streamlined how so?
[02:10] <wizard> ShackJack: i disable just about everything that can be disabled without disabling gui or network-manager lol
[02:11] <wizard> ShackJack: what speed's your core-duo?
[02:11] <wizard> mines relatively new, sitting at 1.83
[02:11] <ShackJack> It's a bottom-end T2050 1.66  - 533 FSB
[02:11] <wizard> aahhh
[02:11] <wizard> theres our biggest diff
[02:11] <wizard> i've got a t2400
[02:11] <ShackJack> It's a core duo "1" - not "2"
[02:12] <wizard> this is a core duo as well
[02:12] <wizard> the only diff between the two is the core 2 duo is 64 bit.
[02:12] <wizard> not a major difference at all
[02:12] <ShackJack> wizard - course , you'd hate me if I told you what I paid for mine :)
[02:12] <wizard> 0.o
[02:12] <wizard> well
[02:12] <wizard> judging by age
[02:12] <wizard> 1700-2100?
[02:12] <Atrox> Updates trying to install KDE today?
[02:12] <IdleOne> Atrox, seems so
[02:12] <ShackJack> wizard - for my notebook is what you're guessing?
[02:13] <Atrox> Little late for April fool's joke :)
[02:13] <wizard> ShackJack: yup
[02:13] <Atrox> IdleOne, thanks
[02:13] <wizard> ShackJack: am i close?
[02:13] <ShackJack> Nope - WAAAY over - I should tell you it's a DELL and the only reason I got it was for the special deal I conned...
[02:13] <ShackJack> Well, not conned, just called 'em on some BS and they were compliant
[02:13] <wizard> okay
[02:13] <timonator> hey everyone. tried to use the nvidia driver, now X won't start and complains about a missing libwfb. what packet is it in?
[02:14] <wizard> i went way over?
[02:14] <wizard> or the end cost was way over what i said?
[02:14] <ShackJack> DELL E1505 T2050 1.66 Dual Core 533 FSB 1GB 120GB Drive - Wireless b/g blue tooth - DVD+R  1680x1050 true life screen - $540.00 :)
[02:14] <ShackJack> No lie. :)
[02:15] <arejay> link !
[02:15] <ShackJack> But it "should've been" around 1,300-1400
[02:15] <wizard> ShackJack: your resolution hits higher than mine
[02:15] <wizard> but everything else i pretty much rape you on 0.o
[02:15] <ShackJack>  wizard - yeah, it's friggin sharp - they threw it in for free....
[02:16] <wizard> i work for a company thats asus-preffered
[02:16] <wizard> so i got the laptop at factory cost
[02:16] <wizard> 989.00
[02:16] <wizard> we retail it about 1700
[02:16] <ShackJack>  wizard - yeah I'm sure you have more memory - though I doubt you're HD is much bigger - and you have newest processors - plus I got mine about 7 months ago - an eternity in ComputerWord :)
[02:16] <savvas> um does your clock in gnome-panel jump ahead 10-20 minutes?
[02:16] <ShackJack>  wizard - that's almost as awesome a deal as mine :)
[02:16] <wizard> ShackJack: well let me say this
[02:17] <ShackJack>  wizard - no way I'm spending a chuck o change on a notebook
[02:17] <savvas> no matter which ntp i choose, after a day or so it jumps 10-20 minutes
[02:17] <wizard> the asus' biggest selling point to me
[02:17] <wizard> was that it could play video games - well
[02:17] <wizard> it was reviewed very high for it
[02:17] <wizard> the Go 7600GS can still push lots of power.
[02:17] <ShackJack> wizard - gotcha - yeah I've got an ATI X1400 in mine - it's only O.K. and of course Linux drivers suck for it...
[02:17] <wizard> a rather good card for mobile.
[02:17] <wizard> yeah,
[02:18] <wizard> this i can play HL2 CSS and Day of Defeat Source, and halo PC, all full res, full graphics
[02:18] <wizard> and rack in over 100fps
[02:18] <ShackJack> Can run Call of Duty 2 on medium settings :)
[02:18] <wizard> asus also scored huge on the design
[02:18] <wizard> its the first "quiet" laptop i've ever heard
[02:18] <ShackJack> I don't play much games on the laptop - that's what the desktop's for - though it could use an update soon...
[02:18] <wizard> never hear the cpu fan ever kick on, it never gets hot, and the only fan i ever hear is the graphics card fan
[02:19] <wizard> which is near-silent, but it sure makes some hot air fly out that vent... but the surface of the laptop never heats up
[02:19] <wizard> and it stays cool enough to relaxingly be on your lap and play a game
[02:19] <ShackJack> Yeah they are nice - only reason I got a (SM)ell was for this unexpected discount....
[02:19] <wizard> ahh lol
[02:19] <wizard> yeah i was looking at dells
[02:19] <wizard> i almost got the d820
[02:19] <wizard> till i realized it had a quadro
[02:19] <ShackJack> Like I said - not spending $2000 for a desktop - though the build seems pretty nice and I haven't had any problems yet...
[02:20] <ShackJack> wizard - and the screen is pissa!
[02:20] <ShackJack> Well, we should prolly get back to Feisty talk :)
[02:20] <wizard> ShackJack: i don't think anyone is going to stickler this late
[02:20] <wizard> its relatively quiet.
[02:20] <wizard> and i've been feisty talking for 9 hours straight about alasa issues on -14... i need a non-feisty break
[02:20] <ShackJack> You mean this early, don't you! 8:20 AM here!
[02:21] <wizard> 5:21 am
[02:21] <ShackJack> JESUS H - what're you doing up that early?
[02:21] <wizard> man rhythmbox takes forever to update a music collection
[02:22] <arejay> hehe, eastcoast 8:30 here
[02:22] <wizard> i've been frustratingly raping my ubuntu install
[02:22] <arejay> er 8:20
[02:22] <wizard> i lost sound on -14
[02:22] <wizard> still have no sound on -14
[02:22] <ShackJack> arejay - where are U at on the east coast?
[02:22] <wizard> but now i have -13 too
[02:22] <arejay> ShackJack, SouthCarolina
[02:22] <arejay> You :)
[02:22] <ShackJack> arejay - cool - Cape Cod here...
[02:22] <wizard> 0,o commericals are stupid now-a-days
[02:22] <ShackJack> Friggin 34 degrees out - :(
[02:22] <wizard> no wonder i am so dumb
[02:23] <arejay> ah, cool :) yeah its 45degrees here
[02:23] <wizard> maybe i should just go myspace for a bit
[02:23] <wizard> keep myself out of trouble
[02:23] <arejay> digg.com
[02:23] <arejay> :)
[02:23] <ShackJack> arejay - no shit - that's suprising - you're practically in Florida!
[02:23] <wizard> digg doesn't let me hit on unsuspecting minors ;-) lmao jk
[02:24] <timonator> maybe i'll have more luck not being ignored this time:
[02:24] <timonator> when starting the X server it crashes and complains about missing libwfb. where can i get it?
[02:24] <arejay> ShackJack, yeah, im in hilton-head island, near savannah, ga torwards the bottom of SC
[02:24] <JPedro> Not sure if this is the right channel, but I have an issue with imap email on feisty, neither thunderbird or evolution seems to try and connect to my imap server. I use ngrep to get a quick overview of the data traffic and both applications do a dns resolve for the domain and get the answer from the server, but then it does not try to connect. Is this a known issue or me just being braindead? This is a new install of feisty
[02:24] <timonator> apt-cache search wfb returns nothing at all
[02:24] <ShackJack> P.S. All those KDE apps being included in my dist-upgrade... I went and did the upgrade through the graphical update manager - and when I did a dist-upgrade - those extra KDE packages were no longer being included...
[02:24] <wizard> when ubuntu "blanks" a screen
[02:24] <wizard> is it just turning it black or actually turning it off?
[02:25] <ShackJack> Whew - don't forget about aptitude autoclean - just got back 225MB of space :)
[02:26] <ShackJack> wizard - usually just turnig black - unless you have your power settings set otherwise...
[02:26] <wizard> its set to blank the screen on lid close
[02:26] <wizard> which i'd hope turns it off
[02:26] <wizard> backlight goes off and it looks like it goes a lighter, gray-black look of an off lcd
[02:28] <wizard> ShackJack: i love linux so much as a primary os that i was sitting on windows going absolutely nuts
[02:28] <wizard> its just the general feal of linux i don't even care if im doing the same stuff.. so i was going buts without soud
[02:28] <ShackJack> timonator - I've never seen the libwfb package - I have libdirectfb installed in mine which is a frame buffer graphics...
[02:29] <ShackJack> wizard - Is still use Windows @ works because I can work faster in it (just with software, I use, etc...) but at home it's mostly all Linux...
[02:29] <timonator> hm
[02:29] <wizard> ShackJack: video games... thats all it is to me
[02:29] <wizard> video games
[02:30] <ShackJack> HAAHAA yeah Video games and Windows Media Player 11 for syncing my MP3...
[02:30] <wizard> ShackJack: do you turn your laptop off?
[02:30] <wizard> or are you a leaver-oner?
[02:30] <ShackJack> wizard - yep always turn off... I have the power button set so one click shuts it down (as I have XGL and don't have a shutdown/restart in my logout anymore)
[02:31] <wizard> ShackJack: any particular reason?
[02:31] <ShackJack> wizard - I'm very careful with it as I understand they can be fragile...
[02:31] <wizard> ShackJack: running laptops for prolonged time isn't really harmful
[02:31] <ShackJack> wizard - well I have a primary desktop I leave on all the time... This one's just for sitting on the couch (or bed) and working/surfing occasionally...
[02:31] <wizard> honestly, dropping them to suspend 2 ram and turning on and off a lot can hurt them
[02:32] <wizard> i just close the lid and let the display sleep
[02:32] <wizard> i figure its an intel board, its not a baby little laptop from 2000
[02:32] <wizard> its graduated to the desktop playing field
[02:32] <wizard> it deserves desktop treatment
[02:32] <ShackJack> I suppose :)
[02:33] <ShackJack> timonator - is that an X server graphics problem you think? What video drivers are you using?
[02:34] <shirish> any snmp experts here?
[02:34] <timonator> nvidia driver
[02:34] <timonator> when i set it to nvidia it fails to start, when i set it to nv it works
[02:35] <ShackJack> timonator - any "special"  settings in your device section?
[02:35] <timonator> no
[02:35] <timonator> just the very default it set for me
[02:36] <ShackJack> timonator - If you pastebin your Xorg.conf I can take a quick look - though I'm no expert...
[02:36] <timonator> all right, does feisty come with a commandline script for that or something?
[02:36] <jarle> timonator: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87332
[02:37] <ShackJack> No, just copy and paste xorg.conf into pastebin.com (that's a thing online so you're not pasting huge swaths of code in IM chats)
[02:37] <ShackJack> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf - copy/paste etc... then paste pastbin URL in here...
[02:38] <jarle> ShackJack: No need to sudo just to read the file...
[02:38] <ShackJack> Acutally Ubuntu has it's own pastebin I think - is that so?
[02:38] <ShackJack> jarle - yeah I was gonna say that though I assumed we might want to be editing it too since his is broke :)
[02:39] <timonator> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4272 - if you replace nv with nvidia that's the crashing config
[02:39] <jarle> ShackJack: :)
[02:39] <ShackJack> Join the fun everybody!!!
[02:39] <timonator> hah
[02:41] <IdleOne> Oh this is WRONG! the latest upgrade installed a bunch of KDE packages and now my default browser has been changed to konqueror. I dont like having stuff changed on it's own with asking my permission! A La Windows :/
[02:41] <wizard> alrighty guys
[02:41] <wizard> im finally going to sleep some
[02:42] <IdleOne> without
[02:42] <ShackJack> timonator - see a couple things - you're not loading the dri module for one..
[02:42] <ShackJack> wizard - go 2 BED
[02:43] <wizard> ShackJack: im going
[02:43] <wizard> my laptop needs a break anyway lol
[02:43] <wizard> its being worked like a mule
[02:43] <timonator> ShackJack: what else?
[02:44] <ShackJack> timonator - here's the module I load - http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4273 ... and I've never had to load the i2c thing...
[02:44] <ShackJack> timonator - it's really the only "odd" thing I see - though you could try running with those Add...Visuals things commented out too...
[02:44] <timonator> i'll try if it works now.
[02:45] <ShackJack> What technique do you use to restart X, btw?
[02:45] <wizard> ShackJack: goodnight, nice meeting you
[02:45] <ShackJack> wizard - likewise (good morning) see U around that chatz!
[02:46] <ShackJack> timonator - Comedy channel - MAD TV - "Maaan Up - Maan UP!" maybe U should try that :)
[02:47] <timonator> nope.
[02:47] <timonator> i can nopaste the X log, too
[02:48] <ShackJack> timonator - why is that?
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> heh, I _really_ fixed this now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powersave/+bug/94133
[02:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 94133 in powersave "ipw3945 wireless doesn't work after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:48] <timonator> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4274
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> it really works now, if anyone has this issue, plz try
[02:49] <ShackJack> johnnybuoy - nice work johnnybuoy - now if you can the baloon to pop in the right place we're all set :P
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> ?
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> the baloon to pop in the right place?
[02:50] <ShackJack> johnnybuoy - oh just teasing - I don't think a bug report is filed but...
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> :)
[02:50] <ShackJack> When I start up lappy, it prompt for P/W for wireless network - balloon loads in upper-left corner when my single gnome panel is down at the right...
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> oh, sometimes the notification balloon pops up in the wrong place
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> yes
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> this happened once for me
[02:51] <ShackJack> johnnybuoy - no biggie - just gives a ever so slightly unpolished feel :)
[02:51] <ShackJack> timonator - how did you acquire your NVDIA drivers (and what card U run?)
[02:51] <ShackJack> timonator - it's definately a driver issue... (almost definately)
[02:51] <johnnybuoy> okay, see y'all
[02:52] <timonator> ShackJack: i installed nvidia-glx, the restricted modules package was already installed
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> and check bug #94133
[02:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 94133 in powersave "ipw3945 wireless doesn't work after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94133
[02:52] <timonator> i run a 8800 GTS
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[02:52] <timonator> brb
[02:52] <ShackJack> timonator - using the restricted driver mgr or otherwsie?
[02:57] <shirish> for the no. of question on nvidia drivers there needs to be a seperate channel altogether for specific graphic-card issues
[02:57] <ShackJack> shirish - thats prolly a good idear :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> there is.  #ubuntu-effects
[02:58] <Tomcat_> Maybe we should just offshroe it to #ubuntu-effects?
[02:58] <ShackJack> Hobbsee - good point.
[02:58] <Tomcat_> Though NVidia problems are not always AIGLX/XGL problems...
[02:59] <shirish> guys does anybody have a good low-memory consuming gtk+ editor idea?
[02:59] <timonator> i'm going to give up and install the latest normal verison instead
[03:00] <ShackJack> timonator - you have composite enabled in your xorg
[03:00] <timonator> i dont think thats a problem
[03:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: anything in xfce
[03:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: I know u told me about an editor in xfce yesterday but what I cannot  understand why there is nothing besides gedit
[03:01] <ShackJack> timonator - no you *don't* have it enabled - you need to...
[03:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: I remember on some feisty thing, somebody had written there is going to be a replacement for gedit as it has becomes too bloated
[03:02] <Hobbsee> dunno where that was.  that hasnt been on ubuntu-devel.  if you read it on a forum, then it's probably not true.
[03:02] <ShackJack>  timonator - i dont think that  whats causing X to crash - but you need it on :)
[03:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: apologies then, I thought it was you.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: anyway, vi.
[03:02] <timonator> ShackJack: ok
[03:02] <Hobbsee> vim-gtk, if you like
[03:02] <Tomg> hi all, how can i install the fglrx 8.35.x on feisty?
[03:02] <ShackJack> I'm afriad I'm stumped on your issue - but maybe over at ubuntu-effects?  My guess is your card it too new and not yet supported :)
[03:03] <shirish> Hobbsee: I know vi, I have played with it, there was supposed to be some new editor who was supposed to work as replacement for gedit, maybe I read that at gnome
[03:03] <ShackJack> Well, of to eat a big o' Capt'n Crunch - laters y'all!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> shirish: someone else mentioned mousepad yesterday
[03:04] <Hobbsee> maybe that was on the forums
[03:04] <Hobbsee> wishing ti would replace gedit/kate
[03:04] <Tomg> anyone? how can i install the fglrx 8.35.x on feisty?
[03:04] <shirish> Hobbsee: yup somebody said something about mousepad yesterday, maybe I will try it
[03:05] <blippe> Hobbsee: mousepad is default for xubuntu
[03:05] <Hobbsee> blippe: yeah, thought it was
[03:06] <blippe> aint exactly new, but it's good
[03:06] <shirish> blippe: it is default for xfce
[03:06] <blippe> shirish: and therefore default for xubuntu :D
[03:07] <timonator> well, guess what
[03:07] <timonator> Composite Enabled. still crashes.
[03:07] <shirish> has anybody played with qalculate?
[03:07] <timonator> wait, too new? omfg
[03:07] <Tomg> whats qalculate?
[03:07] <Tomg> calculator?
[03:07] <der0b> Hey folks, am I just blind or is there no menu entry for gnome-control-center in the beta?
[03:08] <shirish> Tomg: it is a powerful calculator
[03:08] <shirish> Tomg: I am trying to get a hang of it, it does have lot of features
[03:08] <blippe> shirish: is it the graphical calc or the advanced octave-like thingie?
[03:08] <Tomg> shirish: what functions does it have?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> shirish: which version?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> shirish: (new?)
[03:09] <Hobbsee>  qalculate |    0.9.4-2 |           sid | all
[03:09] <Hobbsee>  qalculate | 0.9.4-2build1 | feisty/universe | all
[03:09] <blippe> shirish: check out octave (it is cli but it rocks), almost asgood as matlab
[03:09] <shirish> there u have it
[03:09] <Hobbsee> new is 0.9.5 - 0.9.4's been in ubuntu/debian for ages...
[03:10] <shirish> Hobbsee: can u get details on who is into packaging, I know of some tools which have been lying dead in ubuntu although debs are there
[03:10] <Hobbsee> !motu
[03:10] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:10] <shirish> Hobbsee: or even .tar.gz
[03:11] <Hobbsee> and nothing will be updated in feisty now
[03:12] <shirish> drats
[03:13] <shirish> Hobbsee: do u mean even universe or multiverse will be frozen for package upgrades?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: yes.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: has been for ages, see !schedule
[03:13] <shirish> !schedule
[03:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:15] <shirish> http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/gtk-manual/ar01s02.html#qalculate-expression-entry
[03:15] <shirish> this is way cool
[03:15] <Hobbsee> shirish: ubuntu doesnt take debs.  it takes sources, with a debian dir.  there's more on that MOTU page.  a lot of things arent up to the high standard of ubuntu packages
[03:15] <Hobbsee> (and debian packages)
[03:15] <shirish> I am right now experiencing 89.6 Farhenreit
[03:16] <shirish> I found out by converting from celcius to farhenreit through qalculate
[03:16] <VirhYl3> -14 generic is loading, but the top one is not (in grub), keeps crashing... any info on this?
[03:16] <shirish> Hobbsee: gotcha :)
[03:17] <shirish> gotcha=got it
[03:17] <VirhYl3> 2.60.12-14 not generic or whatever....
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hrm.  cant help ther
[03:18] <Hobbsee> not when i dont know what it is
[03:18] <VirhYl3> what's the diff between the top grub choice, generic, and recovery.
[03:18] <shirish> guys if I want to see the updates with the update notification bar which one should I choose in Administration > Software Sources Updates tab
[03:19] <Hobbsee> recovery boots in recovery mode, the other boots normally
[03:19] <VirhYl3> well what's diff between normal and generic?
[03:19] <shirish> VirhYl3: there is normal & recovery
[03:19] <shirish> VirhYl3: you run recovery when you have issues with running the normal kernel
[03:19] <Hobbsee> VirhYl3: they both say generic
[03:20] <VirhYl3> my top one doesn't say anything, then there's recovery, then there's generic.  all the same kernel numbers.
[03:20] <VirhYl3> generic is working, normal is not, haven't tried recovery.
[03:20] <rambo3> VirhYl3, wikpedia: 386  processors
[03:21] <VirhYl3> oh, so generic is for any processor?
[03:21] <VirhYl3> why would the i386 one be crashing then?
[03:21] <VirhYl3> is something currently broken with amd64?
[03:22] <shirish> VirhYl3: are u saying u are seeing 3 kernels in your grub entry, there are normally in the pair of 2
[03:22] <VirhYl3> yes. three of each.
[03:22] <VirhYl3> -14 -13 -12, and then Vista at bottom.
[03:23] <shirish> VirhYl3: interesting would u care to post your /boot/grub/menu.lst to http://pastebin.ca
[03:23] <shirish> VirhYl3: just copy the contents through gedit & paste it there, and give us the link
[03:23] <VirhYl3> copy which contents?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> all o fit
[03:24] <VirhYl3> all of what?
[03:24] <VirhYl3> I was logged out for like 6 seconds, maybe I missed the initial command.
[03:24] <shirish> she means all of the content of your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:24] <VirhYl3> ok... right back...
[03:25] <shirish> VirhYl3: type gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:25] <shirish> Hobbsee: do these motu people have IRC channels?
[03:26] <VirhYl3> got it... goin' to pastebin
[03:26] <robin> How do I eliminate mouse lag in FPS games? feisty beta ppc
[03:26] <Hobbsee> shirish: yes.  #ubuntu-motu
[03:26] <greigm> hi all, ive upgraded from 6.10 to the new beta, and now my ubuntu doesnt boot, can anyone help me?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> shirish: i'll warn you though - they wont suddenly do more work just because you're asking them to.  however, you're free to get involved if you wish
[03:26] <shirish> ok thanx because that is not mentioned there, it should be, shouldn it
[03:27] <shirish> Hobbsee: thats ok, atleast I would know what these guys talk about if the channnel is active
[03:27] <VirhYl3> pastebin is not workin'.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> it's often active
[03:27] <greigm> what does this message mean.... /bin/ish cant access tty; job control turned off ???
[03:27] <shirish> VirhYl3: try !paste
[03:27] <Hobbsee> shirish: even if people arent talking, there's usually a response from someone
[03:28] <robin> How do I eliminate mouse lag in FPS games? feisty beta ppc
[03:28] <shirish> !paste
[03:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:28] <shirish> VirhYl3: try http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:28] <VirhYl3> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14389/
[03:32] <shirish> VirhYl3: was this an upgrade or setting up through Live CD?
[03:32] <shirish> I mean the Feisty Live CD
[03:33] <VirhYl3> several upgrades after an install from live cd.
[03:34] <peyote> Is Herd-6 still comming or will the RC be the next step?
[03:34] <VirhYl3> herd6 is cancelled.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> peyote: see the /topic
[03:34] <peyote> thanks. should have read the topic ;)
[03:36] <shirish> VirhYl3: what I would suggest that u comment out the non-generic one (the first entry) on both the 14 as well as 13,  It should look as 12 is looking
[03:37] <boojit> arghaghagh why did frigging update manager decide to install KDE with the last set of updates
[03:37] <shirish> VirhYl3: ok lemme edit your entry then u can cp it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:37] <boojit> did anyone else run into that?
[03:37] <VirhYl3> cool, thanks.
[03:37] <rambo3> VirhYl3, just shorten them to 2 . in howmany
[03:38] <rambo3> dont uncoment it
[03:38] <VirhYl3> OK.
[03:38] <boojit> i've been careful to never install anything with a dumb "k" in front of it and now all of a sudden i have retarded KDE on my system.
[03:39] <Jisao> check the language, boojit
[03:39] <shirish> VirhYl3: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14392/
[03:40] <greigm> can someone help me please... i upgraded to the new beta however i have a few bugs so i want to boot 6.10 but it doesnt boot, it just hangs at the logo screen, any ideas?
[03:40] <shirish> either download it as menu.lst to your /home/username/ partition & then do sudo mv menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:40] <boojit> Jisao: what language
[03:41] <boojit> do you live on some planet where "dumb" and "retarded" are swear words or something?
[03:41] <poningru> greigm: what bugs do you have?
[03:41] <poningru> greigm: and you cant boot 6.10 unless thats in a seperate partition
[03:42] <greigm> poningru : i get the message cant access tty;job control turned off
[03:42] <Jisao> kubuntu people also use this channel to test feisty, boojit. A little respect goes a long way.
[03:42] <greigm> poningru : the older 6.10 build shows on grub, and starts to boot then just hangs. shouldnt it still boot?
[03:43] <boojit> Jisao: what I hurt your feelings because I called KDE retarded? man, grow a pair.
[03:43] <boojit> that's just the most insane thing I've ever heard. Anyway, I'm out.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> puncht.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> -h
[03:45] <VirhYl3> Ok, thanks for the help, let's hope that works! :D
[03:46] <poningru> greigm: so you cant boot to either?
[03:47] <greigm> ponigru : no, the new beta gives me that error i put up, and the old install just hangs at the ubuntu loading screen
[03:50] <poningru> hmm that teh sucks
[03:51] <poningru> greigm: how did you install feisty?
[03:51] <poningru> did you upgrade?
[03:51] <poningru> or install on another partition?
[03:51] <greigm> poningru : i upgraded over the update manager
[03:51] <poningru> yeah you cant use your older one thats just the old kernel and initrd image
[03:51] <poningru> all the packages are newer so it wont boot
[03:52] <greigm> poningru : i found this on a bug report by someone-- " Did you do the new feature on apt-get that removes unnecessary packages? If so, it seems it might have removed upstart.. this was another bug recently posted." that seems to be issue
[03:52] <greigm> my live cd wont boot either. im screwed
[03:52] <poningru> wth
[03:52] <poningru> what does your livecd say?
[03:53] <greigm> nothing, it just loads as normal, i get teh ubuntu loading menu then the screen goes blank and it doesnt change
[03:53] <greigm> wish i didnt try upgrade now lol :(
[03:53] <poningru> greigm: ah thats your vid card probably
[03:53] <poningru> press ctrl+shift+f1
[03:54] <poningru> when your screen goes blank
[03:54] <poningru> do you have any sound?
[03:54] <greigm> i did have that issue before, i had to config X whatever its called, sorry im new to linux
[03:54] <greigm> no no sound
[03:55] <shirish> greigm: are u able to jump on console CTRL+ALT+F1
[03:55] <poningru> no sound because of no speakers? or just sound doesnt work?
[03:55] <shirish> greigm: if you are able to log in through console then most probably your system is recoverable
[03:56] <firefoxman> Is there a prebuild package of KQEMU avalable for fiesty?
[03:56] <greigm> no sound with speakers on
[03:56] <greigm> shirish : log in at what point?
[03:56] <greigm> shirish : sorry as i say im new to all this
[03:56] <shirish> greigm: no sweat, even im new at this
[03:57] <poningru> gerv: oh it makes sense
[03:57] <poningru> err
[03:57] <poningru> greigm: ^^
[03:57] <poningru> greigm: its the libata trouble
[03:57] <poningru> pretty sure
[03:57] <greigm> according to this... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/59792
[03:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 59792 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Kernel 2.6.17-7-generic fails to boot, I get the BusyBox instead" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:57] <shirish> poningru: you are also having issues with libata
[03:57] <firefoxman> Hello?
[03:57] <poningru> greigm: ok here we go
[03:57] <shirish> !info KQemu
[03:58] <greigm> ive deleted a file it need for boot, as when i upgraded it said remove unused things i hit yes
[03:58] <ubotu> Package kqemu does not exist in feisty
[03:58] <poningru> greigm: its cool first when it gives that error does it drop you down to a command prompt
[03:58] <greigm> yes
[03:58] <shirish> firefoxman: there u go, it seems there is not one
[03:59] <greigm> i believe i have to reinstall what i have deleted to boot the beta, but how to do it as i cant load ubuntu is beyond me
[03:59] <shirish> greigm: if it drops you to command prompt then it is recoverable most probably
[03:59] <Jisao> Does the latest Feisty beta installs from CD, or is it still bugged?
[03:59] <firefoxman> shirish: So, when should I expecct one?
[04:00] <poningru> greigm: ok here we go
[04:00] <shirish> firefoxman: not in this release for sure, no idea m8, it would be in universe so u should MOTU about that
[04:00] <poningru> greigm: are you at the command prompt right now?
[04:00] <aaroncampbell> what package gives me mod_rewrite for apache2?
[04:00] <shirish> guys although this would be running, I am off to have a short shower
[04:01] <poningru> Jisao: it's been working
[04:01] <greigm> poningru : sorry no im on windows to get on irc
[04:01] <poningru> ah
[04:01] <poningru> greigm: oh :(
[04:01] <shirish> 90 Farhenreit or 39 celcius
[04:01] <poningru> greigm: you dont have another computer?
[04:01] <Jisao> ok. I'll try a third time (the first two previous attempts did not install).
[04:01] <poningru> through which you can irc?
[04:01] <greigm> poningru : whats the paste link so i can show u somehting...
[04:01] <poningru> !pastebin
[04:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:01] <peter77> I've noticed that some ppl have something like a dashboard in gnome
[04:01] <greigm> poningru : im afraid not, i will have to write it down
[04:01] <greigm> thanks
[04:01] <shirish> Jisao: if you are having issues with live cd may I suggest alternate CD
[04:02] <poningru> peter77: dashboard?
[04:02] <peter77> you know, like the one on the mac
[04:02] <shirish> ok off now guys
[04:02] <shirish> have fun
[04:02] <greigm> bye
[04:02] <poningru> peter77: like a dock?
[04:03] <poningru> !dashboard
[04:03] <N6REJ> morning folks, I've got a strange problem.  Adept keeps telling me there is a verision upgrade but when I go to do it it says its missing some sort of file. at the very beginning of the wizard.
[04:03] <peter77> ahh, sorry got the two mixed up
[04:03] <Jisao> I always use alternate CD, shirish, as I run multi-boot.  If I don't, the MBR gets "hijiacked" ;-)
[04:03] <peter77> I meant the dock
[04:03] <poningru> oh
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dashboard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: should be fixed now
[04:03] <greigm> poningru : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14398/
[04:04] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: just did my morning upgrade and it still does it.
[04:04] <greigm> poningru can u read that pls
[04:04] <shirish> ok sorry m8, bath time I have been postphoning it for long now, even the potential flies/mosquitoes would start smelling better than me soon
[04:04] <poningru> greigm: k
[04:04] <poningru> peter77: http://www.gnome-dock.org/trac
[04:04] <peter77> thanx
[04:04] <N6REJ> I beat you to it shirish
[04:05] <poningru> greigm: oh we can do the chroot thing first
[04:05] <greigm> poningru : even tho i cannot boot with the live cd/
[04:05] <greigm> ?*
[04:05] <poningru> greigm: when in livecd can you press ctrl+shift+f1 and get a command prompt?
[04:06] <greigm> poningru : my live cd wont boot, but perhaps i can get into that command prompt, assuming i can can u give me instructions to do the nessecary steps
[04:07] <greigm> poningru : the live cd i have is for 6.10 not the beta, will that still be ok
[04:07] <poningru> yes
[04:07] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: you got an idea what to do?
[04:07] <poningru> greigm: when the live cd monitor blanks, press ctrl+shift+f1
[04:07] <greigm> poningru : ok if possible could u give me the instructions and i shall write them down and try
[04:08] <poningru> this should show you a command prompt
[04:08] <poningru> k
[04:08] <greigm> poningru ok thank go ahead
[04:08] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: yes.  wait.  keep updating
[04:09] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: k, next q, I've got a logitech webcam, that the audio is working fine on, but camorama says it can't find the video device.  Any idea where to start troubleshooting?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: ah yes, i see...
[04:09] <Hobbsee> none at all
[04:09] <poningru> at the command prompt, we have to do couple of things a) figure out what the name of your hard drive is i.e hda1, hda2 etc. then b) we have to mount it then c) we have to chroot it then d) within the chroot we have to apt-get install ubuntu-minimal
[04:09] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: that makes 2 of us ;)
[04:09] <poningru> greigm:
[04:10] <poningru> a) you can generally check the name of your hard drive by going to /sys/blocks there should be something like hda hdb or sda sdb etc.
[04:10] <poningru> greigm: ok dude I dont think this is possible like this
[04:11] <poningru> its an interactive thing...
[04:11] <poningru> I cant give you instructions
[04:11] <poningru> you sure you dont have another box you can use to irc?
[04:12] <greigm> poninggru : i see. can i do the command to list my hdds?
[04:12] <greigm> i dont im afraid:(
[04:12] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: afraid I've got more bad news, I can't select a package for install either in adept.  It ignores the request!
[04:13] <zdzichuBG> greigm: tree /dev/disk
[04:13] <julian-> This is probably the most insanely obvious question ever, but I'm still a noob so what the hell. I've got Ubuntu working in Parallels but whenever I restart/logout etc. it disconnects from the network and I have to manually reconnect it, any way to make it do it automatically?
[04:13] <poningru> greigm: the thing is we have to figure out what partition you boot off of
[04:13] <rambo3> greigm, you can use : blkid
[04:14] <greigm> poningru : what would be the command to mount the hdd, say it was hda2, which i think it is.
[04:14] <poningru> ok
[04:14] <poningru> greigm: mkdir /mnt/whatever
[04:14] <poningru> then
[04:14] <poningru> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/whatever
[04:14] <poningru> thats how you mount it
[04:15] <greigm> ok thanks
[04:15] <poningru> thats step b)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: fun
[04:15] <poningru> now for c)
[04:15] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: lol, isn't life grand ;)
[04:15] <poningru> keep in mind you have to do sudo in front of all this
[04:15] <poningru> greigm: c) sudo chroot /mnt/whatever
[04:16] <greigm> the whatever being hda2* ?
[04:16] <poningru> greigm: no the whatever is just any name you want to use
[04:16] <poningru> its just a folder name
[04:17] <poningru> it can be any name you want it to be including 'whatever'
[04:17] <greigm> so i can call it whatever i like,
[04:17] <poningru> right
[04:17] <greigm> ok i understand
[04:17] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: yeah.  i tend to use apt
[04:17] <greigm> then the apt-get install ubuntu-minimal?
[04:17] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: yeah, me too, I just tried synaptic and it worked.  But didn't show the version upgrade.
[04:18] <poningru> so now after you have chrooted just 'sudo aptitude install ubuntu-minimal'
[04:18] <poningru> yep
[04:18] <greigm> ok thanks, and finally, will sudo fdisk -l work in command prompt?
[04:19] <LjL> err yeah, it will *only* work in a command prompt :P
[04:19] <greigm> well im new to all this, i need to make sure :)
[04:19] <greigm> poningru : thank u, i shall go and try this, fingers crossed...
[04:20] <poningru> hmm?
[04:20] <poningru> oh yeah fdisk will work
[04:20] <poningru> err ... you have to list the device though...
[04:20] <poningru> !webcam | N6REJ
[04:20] <ubotu> N6REJ: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:21] <N6REJ> thanks
[04:21] <N6REJ> poningru: its really strange how the audio works but the video doesn't though.
[04:23] <julian-> any ideas?
[04:25] <rambo3> will alternative cd be free of property drivers?
[04:29] <stdin> anyone know why I get this with "sudo ifup eth1" http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14403/ ?
[04:30] <stdin> I had to open wireshark and configure it manually
[04:30] <Jisao> Is there a kubuntu i-386 alternate image more recent than March 22nd?
[04:31] <jouke> Just installed feisty but can't get the mic to work. I hear myself back but the recorder doesn't record anything. I enabled all preferences in volume control and tried many different combinations. Any idea?
[04:32] <stdin> Jisao: daily build: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[04:32] <Jisao> tx
[04:33] <playa4002> I am having troubles getting wine working, any suggestions?
[04:34] <Jisao> Nice download speed too!
[04:36] <dfgas> anyone use linux on a gateway mt3418
[04:36] <playa4002> or pretty much no wine untill the version comes out for 7.04? :(
[04:39] <N6REJ> poningru: you up on webcams?
[04:46] <Howdy125> In xubuntu I upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 and when I boot it stops at "usb 1-2 configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" .. anyone know if this is fixable ?
[04:50] <shirish> guys I deleted all the panels, is there any way to bring panels back or have a fresh panel?
[04:50] <dnl> Is there a major problem with CVS in 7.04?  I can't check anything out... I get "cannot get working directory: No such file or directory"
[04:51] <shirish> spoke too soon, I got it :)
[04:55] <shirish> dnl: better see the changelog of the app.
[04:56] <mahdi> could anybody plz help me with smth? after my last upgrade sound stopped working
[04:56] <mahdi> it says resource not avaiable for reading
[04:57] <Adlai> after a recent update, the kernel fails to recognize my usb mouse
[04:58] <Adlai> I have all relevant modules loaded, but dmesg shows no change when unplugging and replugging
[04:58] <peter77> has anyone here managed to get Second Life to work properly when using beryl?
[04:59] <nixnoob> hey how do i setup compiz-extra package in feisty?
[04:59] <mahdi> seems like alsa is broken in feisty :(
[05:00] <SlimeyPete> mahdi: yeah.
[05:01] <mahdi> SlimeyPete: any known workaround?
[05:03] <SlimeyPete> mahdi: apparently installing from source tends to work. I'm trying that now myself.
[05:03] <Gog123> i cant update my ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04beta
[05:03] <Gog123>  it says Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[05:03] <Gog123>  how do i fix this?
[05:03] <nixnoob> whats the name of the channel for feisty graphical issues?
[05:05] <Gog123> i cant update my ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04beta
[05:05] <Gog123>  it says Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[05:05] <Gog123>  how do i fix this?
[05:05] <johnficca> I started the computer when I was out camping with no Internet and now it takes forever to boot up, it gets stuck like half way for like two minutes, any ideas?
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> yep
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> remove /etc/network/interfaces
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> it's a known bug and is affecting everybody
[05:06] <johnficca> just rm it
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> yeah. Well, if I were you I'd copy it to your home dir first.
[05:06] <johnficca> ok and then remove it
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[05:07] <jouke> ok, got the sound working. I'm not sure what did the trick
[05:07] <johnficca> and I can still go online
[05:07] <SlimeyPete> johnficca: yes, should be able to. NEtworkmanager doesn't seem to pay much attention to that file. I'm typing this on a kubuntu laptop which now has no interfaces file.
[05:08] <johnficca> cool
[05:08] <johnficca> thanks for the help
[05:08] <SlimeyPete> np
[05:09] <Arko> hi
[05:10] <Arko> I have installed 386 and generic kernel
[05:10] <Arko> may I uninstall one of them?
[05:10] <Hobart> Arko -> yes
[05:10] <crdlb> Arko, you can remove 386
[05:10] <Arko> Okay
[05:10] <Hobart> I believe generic is for 686-era machines
[05:10] <Arko> removing
[05:10] <Hobart> if you are on an actual 386, maybe not :)
[05:11] <Arko> what about 12 and 13 kernels?
[05:11] <Hobart> assuming the kernel you are running on currently is OK old revs can be purged
[05:11] <Arko> okay... removing too
[05:11] <Arko> thanks
[05:12] <Hobart> if there turns out to be a prob [never happened to me]  but the ver you have has working networking/io you can always reinstall the other one and file a report :)
[05:12] <Hobart> just never kill your main working one
[05:12] <Arko> right
[05:13] <ShackJack> That would be a nice option to have in Option MGR - remove old kernels :)
[05:13] <shirish> Hobart: how would one go about purging an old kernel & the related files?
[05:13] <ShackJack> err update mgr..
[05:13] <nixnoob> anyone kno how to configure the compiz-extra package?
[05:13] <lupine_85> apt-get remove linux-image-<kernel-version>
[05:14] <lupine_85> make sure you get the right version ;)
[05:14] <shirish> Hobart: like lets say I want to keep -12 & -14 but not the -13 version which came in-between
[05:14] <ShackJack> shirish - just go to synaptic - search for linux (name only) then sort by installed packages...
[05:14] <Hobart> shirish -> I go into aptitude and use the '_' instead of '-' to purge
[05:14] <Hobart> don't know about the GUI version
[05:15] <shirish> lupine_85: Hobart I too like aptitude no deborphans lying around
[05:15] <Hobart> ShackJack -> I can see why it's left out, too easy to let someone leave an unbootable box :)
[05:15] <ShackJack> Hobart - fer sure :)
[05:15] <lupine_85> aptitude-- :p
[05:15] <ShackJack> Hobart - are you saying there's command line option for that, or you just aptitude remove linux-image-2.6xxx etc...?
[05:15] <shirish> Hobart: so it would be aptitude remove linux-image kernel version number major number minor number
[05:16] <ShackJack> shirish - I find it easier to use synaptic... - just check 'em off :)
[05:16] <Adlai> shirish: for me, it's sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.20-12-generic linux-image-2.6.20-13-generic
[05:16] <Adlai> but yes, I used synaptic and searched for "linux-image"
[05:17] <Adlai> and then just marked off the old ones
[05:17] <Hobart> ShackJack -> I use the curses [textmode]  aptitude usually
[05:17] <Hobart> though it took me a while to learn the keystrokes
[05:17] <ShackJack> Adlai - yes, but that won't find linux-headers linux-restricted..
[05:17] <Hobart> and sadly part of aptitudes docs are only in the flat text [no not manpage]  docs
[05:18] <ShackJack> Hobart - I do to normally - but for removing linux images, it's just easier I think (than remember which ones you have in there, version #;s)
[05:18] <Hobart> shirish / ShackJack -> I go into aptitude and search ('/') for 2.6.20-12 , then hit '_' for the first package, 'n' for the next search match, '_' again, etc etc, then 'g' to make it go
[05:19] <ShackJack> Meh, open synaptic - search 'linux' (name only) click checkbox column to sort by installed packages and check off the linux-image, headers and restricted of old packages :) EZ Peezy
[05:19] <Hobart> sadly when I was trying to purge feisty of everything fglrx I found just taking the packages out left some stuff, frustrating as I couldn't figure out why dmesg reported I was always reloading the older version and I thought it was purged :)  (oh ...
[05:19] <Hobart> ... well ATI's new one was still bored, 2D for me :)
[05:19] <Hobart> ShackJack -> I'm guessing you don't hate the mouse :D
[05:20] <shirish> guys can u check out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14411/
[05:20] <ShackJack> Hobart - I'm indifferent - but often sometimes things are quicker the GUI way... I don't feel the need to be a l33t CLI user all the time :)
[05:20] <shirish> I have got some broken error while removing the linux-image
[05:21] <ShackJack> To update my system and install new packages I use aptitude for the (slightly) better dependency managing...
[05:21] <shirish> ShackJack: same here
[05:21] <shirish> ShackJack: can u check the link for me
[05:22] <shirish> Hobart: can u  also check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14411/
[05:22] <shirish> and see if its ok to go ahead or not
[05:22] <ShackJack> shirish - Yeah, though you want remove the linux-headers and old restricted module packages
[05:22] <ShackJack> That's why synaptic is easier to visualize in this case ;)
[05:23] <Hobart> ShackJack -> oh kbd is not l33t, I'm just waiting for the day when I can have tears of joy rolling down by face because one of the gui pkg managers has sane, quick kbd shortcuts that don't mysteriously loose focus and leave the kbd dead 'till you ...
[05:23] <Hobart> ... mouseclick in some subwidget :)
[05:23] <Hobart> shirish -> actually
[05:23] <Hobart> you are removing not purging
[05:23] <ShackJack> Hobart - I heard that... Ultimately for more widespread adoption of Linux desktop - it'll have to be more GUI managable...
[05:23] <Hobart> that may not matter but it may leave behind a junk file or two
[05:24] <ShackJack> But I likely the CLI for some things...
[05:24] <payan> how to install automatix2?
[05:24] <ShackJack> shirish - In synaptic, I always choose "completely remove"
[05:24] <ShackJack> payan - Ummm don't :)
[05:24] <zdzichuBG> which bug was about crappy transfer with ipw3945?
[05:24] <Hobart> ShackJack -> sadly windows widgets are the most kbd useable I have used - and ms is hurrying to fix that by breaking the ui a lot or making things more annoying (addremove programs now has what 6 focus-points per package, including 'show how ...
[05:25] <Hobart> ... popular' etc?)
[05:25] <ShackJack> Hobart - windows widgets? Do you mean in Vista?
[05:28] <Arko> nice
[05:29] <N6REJ> I'm trying to install a font and the instructions say to "install via font:// in kde" what does that mean?
[05:29] <shirish> Hobart: there are screenlets, gdesklets which are widget stuff for linux
[05:29] <Hobart> ShackJack -> nah haven't installed my copy of vista yet, I meant the stock win32 gui widgets, forget the name for them from the api layer
[05:29] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: type that into the address bar of konqueror
[05:29] <Hobart> by widget I mean gui component :)
[05:30] <shirish> guys where does Syanptic keep its logs?
[05:30] <Hobart> using it in the old X widget toolset 1993-era meaning : )
[05:30] <Hobbsee> shirish: /var/log/dpkg.log?
[05:30] <ShackJack> Hobart - gotcha.
[05:30] <shirish> thnx Hobbsee
[05:30] <Hobart> as in AlertDialog("OMG!"); instead of drawsquare(),drawtext() etc
[05:30] <ShackJack> Hobart - I only use Windows for games and syncing my MP3 these days :)
[05:30] <dnl> When I try to run autoconf, it is giving me "cannot guess build type; you must specify one"
[05:31] <Hobart> I'm torn between shrinking this new laptop's feisty partition and ditzing around with Vista or continuing to punch myself in the nads with trying to get opengl accel for a radeon mobility 200 so I can play tremulous / nexuiz :)
[05:32] <dnl> I think the reason is because it is on a 64-bit processor.  What is the proper build type for the ubuntu x86 live cd?
[05:32] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: its not working.  I have a font called "chalk.ttf" that is sitting on my desktop
[05:32] <shirish> damn it the dpkg.log does not show while there were some files remaining even after doing a complete removal through syanptic of -13
[05:32] <Hobart> dnl -> not sure about that error - but if you are on an i386 or x86_64 system, usually I've seen autoconf guess right ... which package?
[05:33] <Hobart> I am on i386 feisty and can try running a configure
[05:33] <Arko_> do I need linux-headers
[05:33] <Hobbsee> dnl: i386, i would have thought.  maybe i486,
[05:33] <Hobbsee> N6REJ: i'd imagine you'd have to use font://~/Desktop/chalk.tff
[05:33] <shirish> it seems dpkg.log does not capture the errors of whatever happened on syanptic do not know whether that is by choice or design
[05:33] <dnl> Hobbsee/Hobart: architectures don't work.. it needs something in CPU-Vendor-OS format.
[05:34] <dnl> (I've tried i686-pc-linux-gnu)
[05:34] <poningru> dnl: what are you trying to do?
[05:34] <shirish> what is that command for a cold reboot CTRL+SysRq+ ?
[05:34] <dnl> poningru: I'm trying to compile a program onto the live cd.  (cinelerra)
[05:34] <N6REJ> Hobbsee: comes back with a white screen and at the bottom says "no files-folders"
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ah.  no idea then
[05:35] <dnl> poningru: Autoconf's configure script fails to guess the build type.
[05:35] <poningru> buh...
[05:35] <poningru> why cinerella?
[05:35] <poningru> kino or lives
[05:35] <shirish> guys anybody knows the keyboard combo to do a cold reboot?
[05:36] <thompa> what is the disk mounting utility fro kde or gnome called?
[05:36] <dnl> shirish: ALT+SYSRQ+B to immediately reboot.
[05:36] <thompa> kwikdisk?
[05:36] <dnl> poningru: Kino is too simplistic, and I have never heard of lives.
[05:37] <shirish> dnl: thanx
[05:37] <dnl> shirish: You might want to do the full ALT+SYSRQ+ R S E I U B sequence.
[05:38] <shirish> dnl: what does that one do?
[05:38] <dnl> shirish: Syncs your disks, remounts them readonly, and kills all processes first.
[05:39] <dnl> shirish: Rescuing Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring
[05:40] <thompa> kdf i found it
[05:40] <playa4002> Anyone have wine running on ubuntu feisty?
[05:40] <shirish> dnl : is there any documentation for the SysRQ combo things anywhere?
[05:41] <Hobart> shirish -> yes in Documentation in the kernel
[05:41] <Hobart> just a sec for url
[05:41] <dnl> shirish: http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm
[05:42] <Hobart> http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/sysrq.txt
[05:42] <Hobart> shirish -> also see the wikipedia page on skinny elephants : )
[05:42] <shirish> dnl: Hobart: thanx
[05:43] <Hobart> dnl -> goodness gracious is that source code hard
[05:43] <dnl> Hobart: Which source code?
[05:43] <Hobart> cinelerra's doc/installation.html says "this may not build. it's hard. just unpack the binaries from our rpm after rpm2cpio"
[05:43] <Hobart> o_O
[05:44] <dnl> Hobart: Are you using the SVN version of cinelerra?
[05:44] <Hobart> n - source dl from site
[05:44] <dnl> Hobart: (it actually builds... if I can get autoconf to work properly)
[05:44] <dnl> Hobart: cvs.cinelerra.org - the "community" version of Cinelerra that 99% of people who use it use.
[05:44] <Hobart> ohh
[05:45] <dnl> Hobart: If you are trying to compile it, just make sure you are on a regular filesystem mounted under /.  No unions, bind mounts, etc.  (Otherwise, CVS will refuse to run, and Cinelerra needs cvs so autopoint will run)
[05:46] <dnl> (if / is a real filesystem, it should work.  Currently, I'm making a custom livecd by chrooting into a unionfs)
[05:48] <Hobart> wacky
[05:53] <cizra> Aiee! I upgraded to Feisty beta and my /dev/hda* are gone!
[05:53] <Nicke> cizra: Have you checked that they aren't at /dev/sda* ?
[05:54] <cizra> Nicke: They actually are.
[05:54] <cizra> Since when? Why?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> !uuid
[05:54] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:55] <Nicke> cizra: See above :)
[05:55] <cizra> Interesting...
[05:55] <Adlai> so can anyone help me with this USB problem?
[05:55] <Adlai> the device is not being recognized by the kernel when I plug it in
[05:57] <shirish> anybody here who has been pretty active on launchpad?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: for the love of anything good, if people cant answer you on 4 channels in the past few hours, then perhaps you should wait a few days and try again.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> havent you noticed that things are quieter than usual over easter?
[05:58] <shirish> oops no idea, I am 2 continents away
[05:59] <shirish> also not a christian so no idea when easter happens
[06:00] <Adlai> oh gee, you're right
[06:00] <Adlai> happy easter
[06:00] <playa4002> Anyone using wine on ubuntu 7.04 feisty?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> but the fact still stands - if most people arent responding, then it's probably the weekend or something, so they arent here.
[06:00] <bur[n] er> playa4002: i am and it's slooooooooooooooowwwwwwwww
[06:01] <shirish> I thought free/open source is all about passion
[06:02] <Hobbsee> it is, but people also get annoyed when you ask the same thing over and over to the same people
[06:02] <Adlai> well Hobbsee, considering the channel isn't too active, as you said, I don't think it's a big deal if someone keeps asking the same question
[06:03] <Adlai> it might be nice to let them know that they probably won't get an answer
[06:03] <Adlai> but if it really bothers you that much, maybe you should go make yourself a sandwich or something and give the IRC a rest
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Adlai: no.  i've just seen him asking it over 4, including a couple of development ones :P
[06:03] <bur[n] er> lol
[06:03] <bur[n] er> Hobbsee: why's it gotta be a "he" ? ;)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Adlai: i'm about to, actually.  just going to kick the next delightful person in #ubuntu who's trolling
[06:04] <Adlai> haha
[06:04] <Adlai> hoo-ray for sandwiches
[06:04] <Adlai> you're right; dev channels are a no-no
[06:04] <Hobbsee> nope, ompaul beat me to it
[06:04] <bur[n] er> Hobbsee: thanks for the blkid tip... i never knew how to get UUID's :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> well, serious questions are fine :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: :)
[06:04] <Adlai> indeed
[06:04] <defendguin> is anyone else getting a long pause during boot?
[06:05] <bur[n] er> defendguin: i get a long pause between gdm & gnome
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Adlai: wanting to help is also fine.  however, armchair wand-waving doesnt work.
[06:05] <Adlai> defendguin: it's probably your system waiting for a network response or something
[06:05] <defendguin> Adlai: exactly
[06:05] <defendguin> but why did it start happening last week?
[06:05] <Adlai> dunno
[06:05] <Adlai> happened for me too
[06:05] <kaouete> oh, same here !
[06:06] <Adlai> perhaps an update changed the timeout length
[06:06] <cizra> Nicke: So, should I upgrade everything no UUIDs, for example cameras? It'd give an unambiguous way to mount them.
[06:06] <Adlai> you can probably change a configuration file somewhere, but I'm not sure where (I'm used to gentoo's placement of them)
[06:06] <cizra> s/ no / to /
[06:07] <defendguin> Adlai: it really shouldn't be looking for a network at boot anyway
[06:07] <Adlai> why not?
[06:07] <defendguin> not on a laptop not with network manager managing my connection
[06:08] <Adlai> your negation creates ambiguity
[06:08] <defendguin> whatever is waiting for a response should just ask NM if i have a network connection and move on
[06:08] <Nicke> cizra: Don't know.. I'm using UUID for the root partition, but the /dev/sda* names for my other mounts
[06:08] <Adlai> hmm
[06:08] <Hobbsee> defendguin: comment out everything but the lo lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:08] <Nicke> (as in the windows partition etc)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> that'll stop dhclient from waiting
[06:09] <Hobbsee> on boot
[06:09] <shirish> ok time for me to defend myself I asked that question in #launchpad, but then if it not to be asked in #launchpad then where?
[06:09] <Adlai> shirish: ask not where, but when
[06:09] <cizra> What's the right way to manage initscripts in Ubuntu?
[06:10] <shirish> Adlai: it is 10 p.m. here right now, usually I am up till 3 a.m. as I wanna learn about ubuntu as much as I can
[06:10] <shirish> Adlai: figuring that for the western world its morning time there
[06:10] <Adlai> it's about noon in new york
[06:11] <shirish> @now calcutta
[06:11] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 07 2007, 21:41:14 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 3 days
[06:11] <shirish> @now london
[06:11] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: April 07 2007, 17:11:24 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 3 days
[06:11] <defendguin> Hobbsee: i know i didn't go in there and put those lines there.  What update would have done that or what program?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> defendguin: your standard updates.  dont remember exactly
[06:11] <Adlai> shirish: the point is if people aren't answering, it's because they don't know or they aren't there
[06:11] <Adlai> you can always try fora
[06:11] <shirish> now what is fora?
[06:12] <shirish> or u mean forums?
[06:12] <Adlai> fori?
[06:12] <Adlai> forums?
[06:12] <Adlai> yeah
[06:12] <Adlai> sure
[06:12] <poningru> fori would be masculine
[06:12] <poningru> Hobbsee: yeah its lame
[06:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:12] <Adlai> I would leave a thread on one, and come back another time and see if someone responded
[06:13] <Adlai> at that point you can try the IRC channels again, and maybe a different set of people will be active
[06:13] <|NewUser|> !source
[06:13] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[06:14] <shirish> true, actually I was not on today the whole day one never knows the best time to be on IRC
[06:14] <Jisao> The daily iso image is larger than my CD... Is there a setting in KIIIb to overburn or whatever?
[06:14] <shirish> apologies Hobbsee
[06:14] <Hobbsee> shirish: it's not really time of day that's the issue, so much.  it's the day of the week
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ie, when it's the weekend in all countries, less people are here
[06:15] <shirish> understood, so usually nothing should be done from friday to monday as 2 days would be in over 3 continents
[06:15] <|NewUser|> can i generate new source.list file from somewhere?
[06:15] <Adlai> |NewUser|: you can always edit it
[06:15] <Hobbsee> shirish: no, but you might not expect to get an answer
[06:15] <|NewUser|> Adlai: maybe i generate souce.list file somewhere.. but i forget the link
[06:16] <cizra> Strange. There is a symlink /etc/rc5.d/S16aiccu pointing to /etc/init.d/aiccu, but aiccu still doesn't start at boot.
[06:16] <Adlai> I don't know
[06:17] <Adlai> you can have mine if you want, I'll pastebin it
[06:17] <Adlai> I think it's fairly vanilla
[06:17] <|NewUser|> Adlai: sure..
[06:18] <defendguin> anyone know about zfs?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> !sources | |NewUser|
[06:18] <ubotu> |NewUser|: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[06:18] <Hobbsee> !easysource | |NewUser|
[06:18] <ubotu> |NewUser|: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:18] <Adlai> |NewUser|: here: http://rafb.net/p/ljyLHR44.html
[06:18] <zdzichuBG> defendguin: what do you want to know?
[06:18] <|NewUser|> ohh ya this one..
[06:18] <|NewUser|> Hobbsee: thankyou
[06:18] <asdfewer> hih
[06:19] <asdfewer> my feisty is hosed, a bit
[06:19] <asdfewer> did a dist upgrade (from beta, or so, to the latest, whatever that is) and now gdm is erroring
[06:19] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: well i was interested if ubuntu would add support for it
[06:20] <asdfewer> when I put in my user name and password, gdm says either the disk is full, or it can't open the home dir
[06:20] <Hobbsee> asdfewer: is the disk full?
[06:20] <asdfewer> "either way, you can't log in" it says, or something to that effect
[06:20] <asdfewer> neg
[06:20] <asdfewer> hmm
[06:20] <lupine_85> sounds like a permissions problem
[06:20] <asdfewer> shouldn't be
[06:20] <asdfewer> rgr
[06:20] <Hobbsee> asdfewer: try *not* logging in as root.
[06:20] <lupine_85> chown -R your /home
[06:20] <bur[n] er> asdfewer: removing ~/.ICEauthority myight help... though not sure
[06:20] <Hobbsee> !root | asdfewer
[06:20] <ubotu> asdfewer: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:21] <asdfewer> hobbsee: how do I not log in as root?
[06:21] <zdzichuBG> defendguin: file request for packaging zfs-on-fuse
[06:21] <bur[n] er> asdfewer: type something other than "root" into the username box ;)
[06:21] <asdfewer> I don
[06:21] <asdfewer> I don't type root into the userbox.. in fact, I believe that is disabled
[06:21] <dnl> Is there any reason why the automake1.8 and automake1.9 packages don't include aclocal?
[06:21] <asdfewer> i'm in safe mode now
[06:22] <asdfewer> so it logged me in as root
[06:22] <asdfewer> when I try to log in as my user name from the command line in safe mode, that works, but startx doesnt
[06:22] <asdfewer> from the user log on
[06:22] <bur[n] er> asdfewer: does your user own its own homedir?
[06:22] <asdfewer> yes
[06:22] <bur[n] er> all files?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> .ICEAuthority in particular
[06:23] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: i was also wondering if ubuntu would be interested in moving away from ext3.  its not exactly great for a desktop user
[06:23] <asdfewer> I did a ls -l on home and it was owned by my user
[06:23] <asdfewer> but, I didn't check iceauthority or anything inside
[06:23] <bur[n] er> do that :)  ls -la |grep ICE
[06:23] <asdfewer> is there a alt-f3 terminal or something in safe mode, so I can go back and forth?
[06:24] <|NewUser|> When i try to update my edgy with update-manager there is some packages not going to download.. like openoffice.org-style-human, pthon-uno, openoffice.org-writer, openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, openoffice.org-calc.
[06:24] <lupine_85> it's just "single" mode
[06:24] <|NewUser|> Opps* not *edgy* its *fiestybeta*
[06:24] <bur[n] er> |NewUser|: do a dist-upgrade
[06:24] <lupine_85> so only one VT, IIRC
[06:24] <bur[n] er> asdfewer: you could use screen
[06:24] <asdfewer> lupine_85: damn
[06:24] <asdfewer> don't remember the screen commands
[06:24] <asdfewer> probably not installed either
[06:25] <|NewUser|> bur[n] er: i have fiestybeta.. i update almost all things from update-manager but this packages not going to download .
[06:25] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: ext3 sucks when you try to recover a file you deleted
[06:25] <bur[n] er> ctrl a - c for new scren... ctrl a - n to go to next, and ctrl a - p for previous
[06:25] <zdzichuBG> defendguin: what's wrong with ext3/4? and where to move, to GFS like SUSE?
[06:25] <zdzichuBG> undeleting files always sucks
[06:25] <|NewUser|> bur[n] er: this all packages in " main " repos.
[06:25] <lupine_85> meh, that' probably why they make it so hard to get rid of ~/.Trash
[06:25] <bur[n] er> |NewUser|: so dist-upgrade from a term
[06:25] <zdzichuBG> that's what backups are for ;)
[06:25] <asdfewer> installing from here with and exec command ;)
[06:25] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: laptop user
[06:25] <|NewUser|> bur[n] er: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:26] <lupine_85> ext* is good for general purpose work, and rock-stable
[06:26] <sine> hey guys.. is anyone familiar with problems concerning a lowlatency kernel?
[06:26] <bur[n] er> |NewUser|: yepper
[06:26] <defendguin> defendguin: doesn't really work well for him to be updating all the time
[06:26] <|NewUser|> bur[n] er; OkiE :)
[06:26] <asdfewer> ...
[06:27] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: have you looked at osx's upcoming feature called time machine?
[06:27] <asdfewer> running /exec screen tells me
[06:27] <asdfewer> I must be connected to a terminal
[06:27] <bur[n] er> asdfewer: run it from a term then instead of within irssi or whatever client you're using
[06:27] <asdfewer> yea
[06:27] <zdzichuBG> defendguin: from what I saw, it automated backup
[06:28] <bur[n] er> time machine is like windows system restore... but cooler :)
[06:28] <asdfewer> ok, guess I'll have to log off freenode for a bit... you say just chown and/or delete iceauthority?
[06:28] <lupine_85> might as well chown the entire directory and everything in it
[06:28] <asdfewer> chown me -R ??
[06:28] <defendguin> bur[n] er: i was very very impressed.  you don't have to use it often but when you do it's very comforting
[06:28] <lupine_85> yeah
[06:28] <asdfewer> roger that.. out here, thanks
[06:29] <sine> what can i do when the bootsplash freezes when booting a lowlatency kernel (2.6.20-13 and 14)? when i press ctrl+alt+del, the status bar jumps a little further, but that does not work a second time, then the system is rebooting
[06:29] <dnl> By the way... why are there four versions of automake in Feisty?
[06:29] <lupine_85> because they're not backwards-compatible :p
[06:30] <dnl> Well, they don't properly work out symlinks.
[06:31] <greg_g> sorry for the stupid question, but the topic message says the release date is the "week of April 19"  April 19 is a Thursday, not the normal day to give the date for "the week of"
[06:31] <greg_g> does that mean the release date is the 19th?
[06:33] <defendguin> i'm having a problem with gconf not saving a setting past reboot
[06:33] <defendguin> it keeps going back to an old setting
[06:36] <johey> How do I configure the language of digiKam? Before I updated my system, it adapted the global regionality settings, but now it runs in English no matter what. I'm using digiKam 0.8.2 with Kubuntu Fiesty and KDE 3.5.5.
[06:44] <defendguin> zdzichuBG: zfs never need to fsck every 30 boots   that really blows
[06:46] <dnl> Why does apt-get upgrade want to update so many packages on a very recent "daily" live cd?
[07:02] <bur[n] er> dnl: just a guess, but I'd say developers did a lot of changes :P
[07:03] <aaroncampbell> what package gives me mod_rewrite for apache2?
[07:05] <Hidan> !gnome-system-monitor
[07:05] <Hidan> hmmm
[07:05] <DanaG> Hah, Charter can now be filed under "broken":
[07:05] <DanaG> http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[07:05] <Hidan> has anyone ever had gnome-system-monitor crash on them before?
[07:06] <Hidan> or gnome-system-log even?
[07:06] <warren_> hi folks... I have a TNT2 card and am trying to get open gl working in feisty
[07:06] <warren_> anyone here know much about restricted drivers?
[07:07] <crdlb> warren_, ok did you install nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[07:07] <crdlb> warren_, and linux-restricted-modules-generic
[07:08] <warren_> I did, but in the restricted driver manager it says "need reboot" and I have rebooted a few times
[07:08] <hannesduck> Hello how can i activate compiz in kde
[07:08] <Hidan> hmmm i guess no one else has experienced such crashes before? oh well
[07:09] <dnl> What is the name of the package that supplies libm?
[07:09] <dnl> (the math library... with things like sin)
[07:09] <warren_> no other thoughts?
[07:10] <crdlb> warren_, I'm only slightly familiar with the restricted manager, sorry
[07:10] <warren_> its cool, thanks just the same... dont be annoyed if I repost the same question in a few mins.
[07:10] <MaxRandor> gnome-system-log has crashed several times for me
[07:11] <MaxRandor> Hidan me slow at reading :-)
[07:11] <Hidan> maxrandor: all right... np... i'm also feeling kinda sleepy too. it's 1.11 a.m.
[07:11] <MaxRandor> I am supposed to be working
[07:11] <hannesduck> I can't extract Enemy Territory
[07:12] <warren_> how bout this one... is there an easy process to roll back to previous dist. from Feisty beta?
[07:13] <terrestre> someone know why killall amsn didnt work? there have another name?
[07:13] <greigm> poningru: are u still around m8?
[07:14] <poningru> yep
[07:14] <poningru> greigm: how'd it go?
[07:14] <greigm> poningru: doesnt seem to have worked :(
[07:15] <poningru> were you able to do the apt-get install ubuntu-minimal?
[07:15] <greigm> poningru : i burned another live cd, so i can now boot to live cd, but i cannot get my installs to boot, still after ure instructions
[07:16] <poningru> hmm yeah I am guessing that the /boot/grub/menu.lst is messed up is all
[07:16] <greigm> poningru :yes, it say some were installed , but i still apear to have the same issue
[07:17] <greigm> poningru : i wonder, if i could access that partition on xp if i could view the file to see what its like
[07:17] <poningru> hmm yeah I think so hold on
[07:17] <poningru> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[07:19] <greigm> poningru : thanks i can access the folder but xp doesnt reconise the file to read it
[07:19] <greigm> poningru could i send it to you?
[07:20] <poningru> err it wont do much good
[07:20] <poningru> we kinda have to figure out which hd the root is in
[07:20] <greigm> poningru : i have 3 files there, menu.lit menu.lst and menu.lst~
[07:21] <poningru> menu.lst
[07:21] <greigm> ok ive managed to open it
[07:21] <greigm> !paste
[07:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:22] <greigm> poningru : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14422/
[07:23] <greigm> poningru : i really dont understand any of that
[07:24] <poningru> hehe its ok hopefully it can be fixed with a simple update-grub
[07:24] <poningru> did you figure out how to do the chroot thing?
[07:25] <greigm> yea, thats wasnt successful
[07:25] <greigm> also i couldnt get on irc from the live cd:(
[07:25] <topspin> "Configuring network interfaces" during boot has become *very* slow recently.  What can I do to fix it?
[07:25] <shirish> poningru: have u got something about tute how one can do chroot from the live cd or alternate CD
[07:25] <dnl> Does anyone know why I would have a broken build environment?  I am getting strange errors about pow() being undeclared.
[07:26] <dnl> I am using a recent 7.04 live cd.
[07:26] <shirish> poningru: a tutorial about how one can do chroot from the live cd or alternate CD
[07:26] <poningru> uh... I guess I can write one up
[07:26] <poningru> I gave greigm one and he was able to follow it
[07:27] <shirish> poningru: that would be cool, you could either send it to me on mail or if you have some site/blog I can read from there
[07:28] <shirish> I am also there on ubuntuforums.org under the name shirishag75
[07:28] <Stormx2> What can I use to check the integrety / not-corrupted-ness of a FAT 32 partition?
[07:28] <poningru> frack
[07:28] <DanaG> That's odd... suddenly 90% of not-installed packages show up as new in aptitude.
[07:29] <poningru> shirish: err just scroll up... ?
[07:29] <omha> how can i get the network-manager to connect to a windows pptp vpn ?
[07:29] <poningru> shirish: its in the scrollback on here like about half an hour ago
[07:29] <shirish> ok lemme check
[07:29] <poningru> shirish: but let me help out greigm here then I'll be with you
[07:29] <DanaG> Oh, and update-manager is buggy:
[07:29] <shirish> poningru: thats cool
[07:29] <DanaG> Try using arrow keys to scroll rapidly back and forth through the list.
[07:31] <minimec|afk> Stormx2: I would use some windows/Dos tool. Maybe freeDos has such a tool. Just make a boot-floppy disk or cd-rom
[07:33] <shirish> DanaG: arrow-keys do not work under Gaim
[07:34] <greigm> should irc work on the live cd?
[07:35] <poningru> greigm: it should
[07:35] <poningru> ok do this
[07:35] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-f5b2b33b369cf4e319ad0f1df557c42290ba2d33
[07:35] <poningru> that should restore grub and fix the menu.lst iirc
[07:35] <poningru> hopefully thats the trouble
[07:36] <poningru> if not then there is one more thing we can try out
[07:36] <DanaG> Huh, what about Gaim?  I was talking about update-manager.
[07:36] <poningru> but thats complicated as frack
[07:36] <shirish> DanaG: oops sorry I thought u were saying something to me
[07:38] <shirish> poningru: the reason I said if you can write a good chroot how-to is that in the next few days I am going to be installing ubuntu in quite a few comps. so if its either in my in-box or written somewhere on a blog or something I can always look that up, and do some rescue work if needed.
[07:39] <Ace2016> Hi all
[07:39] <Ace2016> where can i get a list of all the available feisty repos?
[07:39] <poningru> oh ok
[07:39] <poningru> shirish: sure man
[07:39] <greigm> ive already done that :(
[07:40] <Ace2016> something in one place with all the repos and associated warnings about using hem
[07:40] <Ace2016> them*
[07:40] <Ace2016> forget the warnings, i just want more repos
[07:40] <Ace2016> i would like to start by installing Adobe Flash 9
[07:40] <Ace2016> wait is it adobe flash 9  or macromedia flash 9????
[07:40] <amayera> hi
[07:41] <Ace2016> since adobe hasn't yet released flash after they took over
[07:41] <savvas> has anyone else noticed that in feisty, time from the time panel jumps 10-20 minutes ahead after some hours? (without ntp) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104091
[07:41] <poningru> Ace2016: adobe bought macromedia
[07:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 104091 in gnome-panel "time jumps ahead 10-20 minutes no matter the ntp server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:41] <shirish> Ace2016: if you want to do something useful do not install flash9 instead push for swf-player or gnash
[07:41] <shirish> savvas: I have noticed that, I thought it was a bug in my system
[07:41] <amayera> I have a question: I run a feisty here and since 2.6.20-11 it seems like the naming schemes of partitions have been changed, I find my ATA-hdd now under /dev/sda what seems quite strange to me. why is that?
[07:41] <asdfewer> I'm back
[07:41] <Ace2016> shirish: why not install flash 9?#
[07:42] <Ace2016> asdfewer: wb
[07:42] <asdfewer> had to run an erran... what's the command to view available space on a partition/filesystem?
[07:42] <savvas> shirish: looks like it's not ;) can you add a comment confirming it please?
[07:42] <dnl> Could someone with Feisty check to see if /usr/lib/libm.so is an empty file?
[07:42] <Stormx2> This is insane...
[07:42] <shirish> Ace2016: a moment please will tell u about it
[07:42] <Stormx2> Why won't this FAT 32 partition mount as rw?
[07:42] <Ace2016> ok
[07:42] <Tomcat_> asdfewer: df
[07:42] <shirish> savvas: it happens to me even though I am using local
[07:42] <Stormx2> Oh
[07:42] <Stormx2> it is mounted as rw
[07:42] <asdfewer> ace2016: word
[07:43] <Stormx2> but nautilus won't let me write to it... o.o
[07:43] <asdfewer> Tomcat_: word
[07:43] <asdfewer> yup.. sayd / is 100%
[07:43] <asdfewer> that's f'd up
[07:44] <shirish> savvas: done that
[07:44] <Ace2016> kwikdisk will show how much space is free and used
[07:44] <shirish> dnl: sure
[07:44] <DanaG> Lame design: doesn't warn until / is 100% full.
[07:44] <DanaG> Filelight > kwikdisk.
[07:45] <asdfewer> how do I narrow down my view, so I can see what's taking up all the space?
[07:45] <DanaG> !info filelight
[07:45] <DanaG> !filelight
[07:45] <ubotu> filelight: show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99beta6-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 317 kB, installed size 856 kB
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filelight - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <asdfewer> DanaG: I thinkit's a bug.. there's no way I've filled up 40 gigs
[07:45] <shirish> dnl:  ls -l libm.so
[07:45] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-04-04 23:50 libm.so -> /lib/libm.so.6
[07:45] <shirish>  ls -l libm.so
[07:45] <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-04-04 23:50 libm.so -> /lib/libm.so.6
[07:45] <DanaG> It shows as pie charts.
[07:45] <shirish> sorry guys double post
[07:45] <Ace2016> DanaG: they have two different functions, file light shows the space of each disk, kwikdisk is a menu that stays in your system tray and when you right click it, it shows space available and it allows you to mount and unmount stuff
[07:45] <asdfewer> DanaG: I'm in console/safemode
[07:45] <asdfewer> no gui
[07:46] <DanaG> Aah, dang.
[07:46] <asdfewer> gdm locked me out cause disk is full
[07:46] <DanaG> Well, there's "du"
[07:46] <shirish> Ace2016: people have been having issues with firefox crashing due to flash9
[07:46] <Ace2016> i mean file light shows the amount of space each disk takes up
[07:46] <asdfewer> (after a dist-upgrade)
[07:46] <DanaG> Or boot and mount and run filelight from the LiveCD.
[07:46] <Ace2016> shirish: no problem, i use opera
[07:46] <asdfewer> DanaG: aye
[07:46] <DanaG> You'd have to install it IN the livecd.
[07:46] <asdfewer> brb
[07:46] <shirish> Ace2016: the best solution would be to have the newest swf-player in the repos.
[07:47] <shirish> !info swf-player
[07:47] <LoneShadow> does the feisty install cd work as livecd as well ?
[07:47] <ubotu> swf-player: Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-2.1 (feisty), package size 47 kB, installed size 176 kB
[07:47] <LoneShadow> !info livecd
[07:47] <ubotu> Package livecd does not exist in feisty
[07:47] <LoneShadow> !livecd
[07:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[07:47] <Ace2016> nope i want the real flash version, from adobe
[07:47] <LoneShadow> DanaG: what livecd are you talking about ?
[07:48] <shirish> Ace2016: well suit yourself, you can do apt-get install flash-plugin non-free or something like that
[07:49] <shirish> Ace2016: its sudo apt-get install  flashplugin-nonfree
[07:49] <Ace2016> but from which repo can i get flash-plugin? its not in synaptic
[07:50] <shirish> you have to enable universe & multiverse
[07:50] <Ace2016> oh wait i found it
[07:50] <Ace2016> ty
[07:50] <shirish> Ace2016: go to System > Administration > Software Sources & check all except source code unless you want to do any development work
[07:50] <jaytea> ah, ok!
[07:50] <DanaG> The standard installer for Feisty is a LiveCD.
[07:51] <shirish> !ubiquity
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubiquity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <Ace2016> openoffice's boot screen is a mucky brown
[07:51] <shirish> !info ubiquity
[07:51] <Ace2016> did ubuntu recolour it?
[07:51] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5 (feisty), package size 1833 kB, installed size 7048 kB
[07:51] <shirish> !info debian-installer
[07:51] <ubotu> debian-installer: Debian installer. In component main, is optional. Version 20061102ubuntu20 (feisty), package size 761 kB, installed size 1728 kB
[07:52] <shirish> !info pkgsel
[07:52] <ubotu> Package pkgsel does not exist in feisty
[07:52] <asdfewer> ok.. now I'm at 80 percent
[07:52] <shirish> !pkgsel
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pkgsel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Enoxs> Hi, i'm trying to install feisty i386 on my p3 laptop, the installer hangs at 67% . When i change to the console ctrl+alt+f2, i see an error message SQUASHFS error : Unable to read fragment cache block 5.... , and the message BufferI/O erro on device sr0, logical block. Doessomeone has a remedy for this annoying thing?
[07:52] <asdfewer> I really do believe though that a bug filled up my harddrive
[07:52] <jaytea> so, and again: I'm getting an error when I try to ./configure Ogre: line ...: `AM_PATH_CPPUNIT(1.10.0, build_unit_tests=true)' I have installed libcppunit v 1.12.0! What can I do?
[07:52] <asdfewer> anyway.. time to reboot and try it ouit
[07:52] <asdfewer> later
[07:53] <finalbeta_> Where do I change the number of workspaces?
[07:53] <shirish> finalbeta_: you see the workspaces thing on the panel
[07:53] <shirish> finalbeta_: right click on it & choose preferences
[07:53] <Tomcat_> finalbeta_: Right mouse button on the workspace switcher.
[07:54] <finalbeta_> thnx
[07:54] <Enoxs> finalbeta_ Right click on the spaces en change the configuration
[07:54] <shirish> guys, i am getting updates but no notification of updates what am I doing wrong?
[07:55] <shirish> I want that updates should download but show me the notification before installing, possible?
[07:55] <finalbeta_> I usually don't need more then one. But I'm trying out compiz. The cntr-alt-arrow shortcuts don't seem to switch spaces though.
[07:59] <terrestre> finalbeta_: you are using ubuntu right? :)
[07:59] <Enoxs> Somebody in here who helps develop Ubuntu, and can answer my question about installer problems?????
[08:00] <finalbeta_> terrestre, Yep, Feisty. Normally I don't use workspaces and compiz, but just wanted to test how stable it is.
[08:01] <johnficca> I got an ekiga account and I tried it and ekiga has bad sound on my 64 bit desktop, any way to dix it?
[08:01] <johnficca> *fix
[08:02] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason feisty suddenly has started pausing for about a minute at the 40% mark when i'm booting?
[08:04] <johnficca> I think I had the same problem
[08:04] <terrestre> ConstyXIV: the same issues here
[08:04] <terrestre> all with the same thing
[08:04] <SEtx> after selecting boot type (normal or safe video mode) kubuntu 7.04b x64 just blinks caps lock and scroll lock. what can i do to boot/install it?
[08:04] <johnficca> someone told me to backup then remove the /etc/network/interfaces fils
[08:05] <johnficca> files
[08:05] <johnficca> I copied it to me home dir then I removed it
[08:08] <shirish> ConstyXIV: it might be fscking your drive for errors
[08:09] <ConstyXIV> shirish: not that, it shows tbhe console while it's fscking, and the drive stays still during hte pause
[08:10] <shirish> ConstyXIV: you should check the logs they might tell u something
[08:11] <ConstyXIV> where are the boot logs?
[08:12] <shirish> ConstyXIV: you can access quite a few of the logs at System > Administration > Log viewer
[08:13] <shirish> ConstyXIV: the rest of the logs can be found out at /var/log/
[08:13] <ConstyXIV> im sure you mean sys > admi > system log
[08:15] <omha> i like aptitude, when you break apt, aptitude can do it
[08:23] <shirish> anybody knows the name of that application that can be used to put all the updats on a CD?
[08:24] <Jisao> delta?
[08:24] <shirish> !info delta
[08:24] <ubotu> Package delta does not exist in feisty
[08:24] <shirish> !delta
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about delta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <Jisao> !xdelta
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdelta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:25] <shirish> Jisao: it is GUI tool which can be used to make backups of all the upgrades in /var/archives
[08:25] <Jisao> oh.  No, sorry, shirish
[08:26] <phaidros> why is NetworkManager that stupid?
[08:27] <Arko> after update, firefox does not work properly. Which other browser could I install?
[08:27] <phaidros> had to remove it to be not interfered while flashing a router .. it nearly bricked the machine, because of enabling dhcpclient all the time, so then no ip, conenction broken, darn ..
[08:30] <shirish> Arko: Galeon perhaps
[08:30] <Arko> okay. Thanks
[08:30] <Jisao> Anybody managed to burn today's iso image of alternate Kubuntu?
[08:35] <Jisao> Well, I was able to burn it in Windows...
[08:37] <leif> what file should I edit to change the timeout value on the network script?
[08:38] <wizard> crdlb: hey you up man?
[08:38] <crdlb> wizard, yep
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: hey you up man
[08:39] <wizard> crdlb: sorry tab complete didn't work right
[08:39] <crdlb> oh lol
[08:39] <wizard> crdlb: but hi to you too
[08:39] <crdlb> I figured I had talked to you, but didn't remember :D
[08:39] <wizard> nah the only people that've talked to me are crimsun and some random dude last night
[08:40] <Hobart> did they kill the common restricted modules package?
[08:42] <shirish> Hobart: probably
[08:43] <shirish> btw does anyone remember the GUI package which can be used to burn all the updates to a CD?
[08:43] <jussi01> apt-on-cd
[08:43] <jussi01> ??
[08:44] <shirish> yup that is the one
[08:45] <shirish> does that see how much the data is & tell u if it requires 2 cd or not?
[08:45] <wizard> does rhythmbox have an eq?>
[08:45] <jussi01> not sure, never used it
[08:48] <wizard> no one knows about htat?
[08:48] <jaytea> Hello! I have to ask again: I'm getting an error when I try to ./configure Ogre: line ...: `AM_PATH_CPPUNIT(1.10.0, build_unit_tests=true)' I have installed libcppunit v 1.12.0! What can I do?
[08:48] <jaytea> please help me
[08:49] <shirish> jaytea: its easter and I do not know programming
[08:49] <Hobart> shirish -> dammit!
[08:49] <shirish> jaytea: hence happy easter
[08:49] <Hobart> :|
[08:49] <Hobart> was nice to not have to use questionable stuff like automatix/easyubuntu
[08:49] <jaytea> ^^ yeah, happy easter to you all!
[08:50] <shirish> Hobart: how have u been doing?
[08:50] <Arko> libcppunit-dev?
[08:50] <jaytea> i have it, v 1.12.0
[08:51] <Hobart> shirish -> nevermind just found it in Add/Remove Applications , it's Show: All Available , then sort by ranking and "Ubuntu restricted extras" is still there
[08:51] <Hobart> maybe its just not named that in pkg mgr or something
[08:53] <wizard> i thought i recalled gnome having trebble and bass control in the mixer
[08:53] <wizard> what happened to it?
[08:54] <plethy> yeeerp
[08:55] <plethy> when I make beryl choose the beryl window manager, in it's menu thing, it just falls back to metacity
[08:55] <plethy> I have flgrx installed
[08:56] <plethy> hmmm. noticing that my xorg.conf doesn't have a "Composite: false" entry.. that'd be a problem, eh?
[08:56] <plethy> why doesn't it do that automatically?
[08:57] <plethy> anyone recall of hand what that exact config entry should look like?
[08:57] <wizard> anyone know why my volume control lacks a tone option?
[08:57] <plethy> Section "Composit"
[08:58] <plethy>     Section "Extentions"
[08:58] <plethy>     Option   "composite" O
[08:58] <plethy> endsection
[08:58] <plethy> just saw that one in there
[08:59] <plethy> looks like it is disabled
[08:59] <plethy> then why isn't beryl working?
[08:59] <plethy> does it matter that I have both compiz and beryl installed?
[08:59] <plethy> cripes
[09:02] <plethy> where's the theme manager?
[09:02] <jussi01> !enter
[09:02] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:02] <plethy> ma'bad
[09:03] <jussi01> plethy, #desktop-effects
[09:03] <crdlb> #ubuntu-effects ?
[09:04] <jussi01> oops...my bad...lol
[09:12] <sine> hi there, i had some problem booting the 2.6.20-14-lowlatency kernel... because of troubles with "Configuring network interfaces..." during boot i commented all the ethX deviced in the /etc/network/devices . when i "startx" it says "Unable to initialize HAL" and there is no more network-manager-applet. any ideas?
[09:12] <darx> hello folks..
[09:12] <sine> is this a known bug?
[09:13] <vega-> anyone with raid upgraded to feisty successfully? and not having this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/75052 ?
[09:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 75052 in initramfs-tools "[feisty]  non-working initramfs: failed to activate RAID (dup-of: 75681)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:13] <darx> can someone help me figure out why speed step doesn't work optimally on my mobile pentium 4
[09:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 75681 in mdadm "boot-time race condition initializing md" [High,Fix released] 
[09:13] <jussi01> sine, I think so
[09:13] <sine> im using an acer travelmate 4000 (intel 2200bg)
[09:13] <wizard> darx: speed set-up?
[09:13] <darx> my processor never goes below 798 mhz
[09:13] <darx> speedstep cpu throttling
[09:14] <wizard> darx: what are you using to control it? just curious
[09:14] <sine> jussi so its gonna be fixed?
[09:14] <darx> automatic
[09:14] <wizard> cos i havent' found any GTK apps that show or let you change cpu freq like in kde
[09:14] <jussi01> sine, I hope so
[09:14] <darx> supported in centrinos and mobile pentiums...
[09:14] <darx> don't know about the rest
[09:14] <sine> "excuse me" "sine, I do so" :))
[09:14] <wizard> i got my centrilo *pets it*
[09:14] <jussi01> wizard, gdesklets
[09:14] <wizard> jussi01: those installed by default?
[09:15] <jussi01> ummm...not sure, but you can show and limit the cpu freq
[09:15] <darx> wizard: hmm... you don't need gdesklets..if you click on the battery icon, it'll show the current cpu speed
[09:15] <darx> on kde
[09:15] <wizard> darx: im on gnome
[09:15] <darx> if you are on centrino that is
[09:15] <sine> btw, if you want to undervolt, you need at least a 2.6.20-13 or something under 8
[09:16] <darx> wizard right click the panel and add the cpu fequency applet
[09:16] <shirish> has anybody been experiencing something like a logout happening in between their sessions?
[09:16] <shirish> I have experienced this atleast twice or thrice
[09:16] <darx> wizard: if you are on a centrino we'll see if you have the same bug as mine
[09:17] <wizard> hmm
[09:17] <wizard> how cna i set it to use max cpu?
[09:17] <wizard> it looks like its running dynamically tho
[09:18] <darx> wizard: alternatively type cat /proc/cpuinfo and it'll show your current speed
[09:18] <wizard> darx: the applet worked but now i wanna be able to change it out of dynamic
[09:18] <wizard> unless that doesn't hamper speed
[09:18] <darx> wizard: i wonder why i told you :)
[09:19] <darx> wizard: you won't be getting any noticable performance increase.. coz anyway i'll throttle if you need more processing power
[09:19] <wizard> darx: ?
[09:19] <wizard> darx: i just dont' like dynamic stuff lol
[09:19] <wizard> i prefer things to be locked
[09:19] <sine> jussi01: lets say its a bug, what do i have to do some day to fix it? :)
[09:20] <wizard> sine: file bug reports and help devs get to the bottom of it
[09:20] <darx> wizard: but if you are insistant, removing the cpu scaling module will do the trick.. i don't know the name of the modules off the top of my head.. but you can search on the forums or ask someone here
[09:21] <Megaqwerty> Is there a way to grep the contents of a file, and then take grep's results and delete them from that file?
[09:21] <wizard> darx: i'll just tinker a bit and see how dynamic handles
[09:21] <darx> wizard: in the mean time, can you be kind enough to tell me the idling speed of your centrino.. i need to know the idling speed
[09:21] <wizard> darx: for now i am going to use my wifi for the real reason i got it...
[09:21] <wizard> taking the laptop to the toilet ;-) lol
[09:21] <wizard> idling it looks like 996
[09:21] <darx> wizard: whats your processor?
[09:21] <wizard> core duo t2400
[09:22] <hylje> idling speed?
[09:22] <hylje> wtf is that
[09:22] <darx> wizard: hmee
[09:22] <jussi01> sine, they will probably come out ith a new kernel that fixes it... in updates...
[09:22] <wizard> ??
[09:22] <wizard> darx: it idles at about half its max output it looks like
[09:22] <wizard> but jumps whenever bloat hits
[09:23] <darx> wizard: thats how it should be.. that is why they don't let you control that in windows
[09:23] <sine> u sure? thought theres a kernel freeze already
[09:23] <wizard> darx: aight
[09:23] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: You want to delete every line that matches some regex?
[09:23] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: I don't know what a regex is, but yes, delete every line that matches my grep search parameters
[09:24] <darx> wizard: i'm trying to get it working and you want to disable it.. the ironies of life
[09:24] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: regex = regular expression
[09:24] <wizard> darx: lol
[09:24] <wizard> yours never goes up?
[09:24] <jussi01> sine, they will fix it, kernel freeze just means no new stuff..
[09:24] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: Would grep -v be sufficient for you?
[09:24] <wizard> or never goes back down?
[09:24] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: hold on...
[09:25] <darx> wizard: no it doesn't go low enough.. it has to for optimal battery life
[09:25] <sine> jussi01: ok thx :) im sorry for nagging, but i just want to have it fixed. where can i check if this bug is known?
[09:25] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: I must not understand... "-v, --invert-match
[09:25] <Megaqwerty>               Invert the sense of matching, to select non-matching lines."
[09:25] <Megaqwerty> I don't understand how that helps.
[09:25] <scriblle> what is the easiest way to install a precompiled kernel, like this one>>>
[09:25] <scriblle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=313612&highlight=realtime+kernel
[09:25] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: It will print every line that does not match
[09:26] <wizard> darx: i am on battery right now
[09:26] <wizard> and its still at 996
[09:26] <wizard> so maybe the issues not limited just to you?
[09:26] <darx> wizard: it better be.. the slower the more battery
[09:26] <wizard> darx: i know
[09:26] <wizard> i thought the windows battery options dropped it into the 700's
[09:26] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: oh, okay, so you're saying that using this, I can redirect to a different file which won't have the matching lines, effectively deleting them?
[09:26] <jussi01> sine, is it something like: bug 102675
[09:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102675
[09:27] <wizard> darx: cos right now itss till throttling up to 1.83 ghz whenever it wants
[09:27] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: Yes. If you want to do it 'in-place', no temporary file, then use sed: sed '/regexp/!d
[09:27] <Megaqwerty> soothsay:  cool, thanks
[09:27] <darx> wizard: it does that by default in ubuntu.. if you want to fine tune throttling, i'm not the right guy to ask.. i myself am here to get help
[09:27] <jussi01> sine, dont stress with the nagging, if i get annoyed ill let you know
[09:28] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: sed -i '/phrase-i-dont-want-to-match/!d
[09:28] <wizard> darx: yeah, it just shocked me
[09:28] <wizard> i thought it'd run cooler than that on battery
[09:28] <darx> wizard: kde allows a bit of tinkering via the user interface.. but there must be more command line or utility based configs
[09:28] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: Be careful, the -i will overwrite your file. If you do something wrong you won't be able to recover the original. Backup your file and test it first without -i
[09:28] <wizard> as of right now its hammering away at the battery
[09:28] <scriblle> i tried downloading it, but the debian package manager would not install it
[09:28] <darx> Wizard: keep asking..
[09:29] <darx> guys can.. someone help me with cpu scaling features?
[09:29] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: Yeah, I'm using grep just for that reason. Thanks though.
[09:29] <darx> my lappy doesn't throttle to the lowest supported speed and hence drains the battery
[09:30] <darx> soothsay: can you help me and wizard with cpu freq scaling?
[09:30] <darx> wizard: lets hope for some good advice..
[09:31] <wizard> darx: yeah cos we're both not getting loered
[09:31] <darx> i might as well do some googling in the mean time.. and do you know the lowest supported speed of your processor?
[09:31] <wizard> darx: can't say i do
[09:31] <wizard> darx: are you authenticated?
[09:32] <darx> there is a scaling table somewhere that has a matrix of throttling info
[09:32] <wizard> cos i gotta run for a bit if you could /msg me anyones advcice thats useful
[09:32] <darx> wizard: no i'm not..
[09:32] <darx> unfortunately
[09:32] <wizard> oh shoot bummer
[09:32] <wizard> guess i'll be missing the good stuff lol
[09:33] <ConstyXIV> how do you switch the kubuntu bootsplash back to ubuntu?
[09:33] <darx> wizard: i guess that table needs to be updated.. and then the scaling will work ideally
[09:33] <shirish> ConstyXIV: System > Preferences > Splash Screen
[09:33] <sine> thanks jussi01
[09:34] <ConstyXIV> shirish: that option doesnt exist
[09:34] <AngryElf> Custom Application Launcher doesn't work?
[09:34] <shirish> ConstyXIV: you are running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[09:35] <ConstyXIV> ubuntu
[09:35] <ConstyXIV> the boot splash, not the gnome splash
[09:35] <shirish> ah sorry
[09:35] <wizard> darx: well i'll help ya look into it a bit later
[09:36] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: I have another question along those lines, is it possible to find and remove just one thing from a file (but keep the rest of the line intact)? I just used diff, and it has a less-than sign in front of every line which I would like to remove.
[09:36] <shirish> I have never been able to run the splash screen
[09:36] <wizard> darx: in about 3 seconds i am gonna be covered in greacy suntan oil so i wont be able to touch my laptop again
[09:37] <darx> wizard: lol...
[09:37] <wizard> yeah... thats right... linux nerd that suntans...
[09:37] <wizard> bet you never saw THAT coming.
[09:38] <darx> wizard: i found an answer for you query
[09:38] <wizard> oh sweet whats up
[09:38] <darx> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[09:38] <darx> but that is not the ideal thing to do
[09:39] <darx> you need to give root privilages to your applet which is a silly thing to do
[09:39] <Seilo> hi guys a question
[09:39] <wizard> darx: ohh i stand corrected on that issue
[09:39] <wizard> my biggest concern is why the cpu doesn't drop below 996 on batt.
[09:39] <darx> wizard: possibly because that is the lowest available freq for you processor..
[09:40] <darx> but i know mine's not going to the lowest scale..
[09:40] <seiflotfy> i need help
[09:40] <seiflotfy> please
[09:40] <wizard> 996 doesn't seem slightly low at all
[09:40] <darx> but mines a mobile pentium 4
[09:40] <seiflotfy> not really help
[09:40] <wizard> darx: but like i said
[09:40] <Megaqwerty> !ask
[09:40] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:40] <wizard> its time for me to grease up and deepfry
[09:40] <wizard> i'll be back in like an hour tho
[09:40] <darx> wizard: happy oiling
[09:40] <darx> :)
[09:41] <seiflotfy> but i have a problem with savage the game. i am working with the 64bit feisty and i try to start the game savage and this is what i get .................  ./silverback.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libcom_err.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[09:42] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: It looks like this is a problem with the game itself, or the way you installed it
[09:42] <scriblle> Do any of you guys know how to install precompiled kernels??
[09:42] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: I'll check it out though.
[09:42] <seiflotfy> well donwload it form notforidiots
[09:43] <seiflotfy> i used to play it on edgy
[09:43] <seiflotfy> worked flawlessly
[09:43] <seiflotfy> also 64bit edgy
[09:43] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: I'll need a direct link if you can provide it.
[09:45] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: are you saying it worked on the 64bit edgy?
[09:45] <seiflotfy> http://www.notforidiots.com/SFE/
[09:45] <seiflotfy> yes it worked
[09:45] <seiflotfy> i upgraded
[09:45] <seiflotfy> to feisty
[09:45] <shirish> are people having issues editing menus?
[09:45] <seiflotfy> it worked at the beginning
[09:45] <seiflotfy> then after an autoremove it didnt anymore
[09:46] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: while I dl that game, check some of these out. They may help.
[09:46] <seiflotfy> http://www.notforidiots.com/SFE/SFE-Standalone.tar.gz
[09:46] <Megaqwerty> http://www.google.com/search?aq=t&oq=&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=6aG&q=error+while+loading+shared+libraries%3A+libcom_err.so.2%3A+wrong+ELF+class%3A+ELFCLASS64
[09:47] <seiflotfy> been there
[09:47] <seiflotfy> didnt help out
[09:47] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[09:47] <seiflotfy> sorry
[09:47] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[09:48] <shirish> guys if anybody is able to crash menus while dragging an item from one category to another please lemme know
[09:49] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: It's still downloading, but have you tried to reinstall it with "sh linux32 savage-install.sh"
[09:51] <seiflotfy> well this is a standaolone
[09:52] <seiflotfy> so u dont install it
[09:52] <seiflotfy> u just run the savage.sh
[09:52] <seiflotfy> and before u aks
[09:52] <seiflotfy> i tried it with linux32 sh savage sh
[09:52] <seiflotfy> savage.sh i mean
[09:53] <shirish> is there a way to make a .png to svg?
[09:54] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: any idea what you "autoremove"'d?
[09:54] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: What is the 'one thing' you want to remove (sorry for late reply)? A word or sentence?
[09:54] <crdlb> shirish, inkscape help to automate the process I believe
[09:54] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:54] <seiflotfy> well everythign that isnt for mthe repositories
[09:54] <seiflotfy> hehehehe
[09:54] <shirish> crdlb: I wanted some small utility which could do the same thing
[09:54] <seiflotfy> hehehehee
[09:55] <seiflotfy> :(
[09:55] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: sok, and it is a single word, but is repeated numerous times, and I'd rather not delete every instance
[09:55] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: oh well, was worth a shot
[09:55] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: I'm decompressing it not
[09:55] <Megaqwerty> *now
[09:56] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[09:56] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: sed 's/word-to-remove//' filename
[09:56] <Megaqwerty> soothsay: thanks
[09:56] <soothsay> Megaqwerty: Again, use the -i switch to overwrite the file 'in-place'
[09:59] <seiflotfy> and
[09:59] <seiflotfy> ?
[09:59] <ShackJack> For anyone interested, I wrote a simple tutorial to have a custom , ahem, Windows-like "Start Menu" button on your GNOME panel. There's also a FREE download of a custom Ubuntu start menu graphic there.  Might make the transition from Windows for some people a little smoother :)  See/get it here: http://www.natewelch.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=41
[09:59] <Askar> Hi! When I booted my computer all my firefox settings and gaimaccounts was gone :S wy can that be?
[10:02] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: sorry about that, the game runs great for me
[10:02] <seiflotfy> really
[10:02] <seiflotfy> :(
[10:02] <seiflotfy> on amd64 too
[10:02] <seiflotfy> ????
[10:03] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: oh, whoops, forgot about that
[10:03] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[10:03] <Megaqwerty> seiflotfy: I'm on i386, 32 bit
[10:03] <snax> ubuntu sucks for running in native 64 bit
[10:03] <snax> I would suggest just using the 32 bit version
[10:04] <snax> that's just from my experience
[10:05] <Megaqwerty> what is the variable in the command line that has your architecture? I forgot.
[10:09] <Megaqwerty> nevermind, I found it $HOSTTYPE
[10:17] <reagleBRKLN> i'm running feisty beta, writes to an external usb2 drive with ehci_hcd are horribly slow. ~2s to read 60MB, 50s to write
[10:17] <shirish> any good movie players apart from totem movie player, it sucks
[10:17] <Megaqwerty> shirish: mplayer, vlc are just a few
[10:17] <Megaqwerty> *couple
[10:18] <philip> I need to install a custom dapper package, but feisty refuses to let a file install due to the same file existing in another package. How do I overwrite this error?
[10:19] <aaroncampbell> I just had something very strange happen to me.  I restarted, and my RAID (/dev/sdb) seemed to be in the wrong place (/dev/sda).  As such, /home didn't exist (it's on the RAID).  When I figured it out, I mounted it properly, modified /etc/fstab, and rebooted.  It was still broke...this time because it was back where it should have been (/dev/sdb).  So I again modified the fstab, and rebooted...it
[10:19] <aaroncampbell>  worked fine
[10:19] <aaroncampbell> When working on fstab, I see stuff like: # /dev/sda1 and on the following line: UUID=24ba1bdf-464b-49a8-ab62-2674edcdf731 ...
[10:19] <Megaqwerty> phillip: please give me your exact error message so I can better assist you (sorry for sounding like tech support)
[10:19] <aaroncampbell> is there a way to generate something like that for my RAID so that it doesn't matter where it is? (the items with UUID's mounted fine)
[10:20] <shirish> Ok I am getting a fatal error Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (vo) service both with mplayer as well as as totem player
[10:21] <philip> Megaqwerty, "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgdiplus_1.2.3.50-0opendental1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmono-profiler-aot.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmono0"
[10:22] <Megaqwerty> philip: this really isn't something you will want to do, as it might break a few packages (or just uninstall them) but the only workaround I see is to do "sudo aptitude remove libmono0"
[10:23] <Megaqwerty> on second thought, I'm pretty sure it will uninstall them.
[10:23] <philip> Megaqwerty, but I need libmono also :/
[10:25] <Infecto> is there any tool which one can help me with setting tv-out ? ati x1400
[10:25] <Megaqwerty> philip: right, so the answer may be to change your feisty repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list to dapper, and do an "apt-get update" and then "sudo aptitude remove libmono0" "sudo aptitude install libmono0"
[10:27] <Megaqwerty> philip: assuming you are installing this older package from the dapper repository, that same version should be installed. Then after it is installed, change your repositories back to feisty. Then you just have to be careful about upgrades.
[10:27] <philip> Megaqwerty, I'm not using the official dapper repo but a custom built "opendental" dapper package
[10:28] <philip> it looks like libmono0 is from the opendental build too
[10:28] <Megaqwerty> philip: hmmm
[10:29] <seiflotfy> ok
[10:29] <seiflotfy>  i found libcom_err.so.2
[10:29] <seiflotfy> in a 64 bit library
[10:29] <Megaqwerty> philip: I suggest finding a thread somewhere about installing it on edgy (the steps should be similar)
[10:29] <seiflotfy> i linked it into the 32 bit library
[10:29] <seiflotfy> gave me an elf class error
[10:30] <Megaqwerty> philip: I'm sorry, I have to leave, but good luck.
[10:30] <philip> Megaqwerty, ok will do, thanks mate :)
[10:30] <Megaqwerty> philip: np
[10:46] <wizard> DarkX: any luck?
[10:46] <DarkX> with?
[10:47] <wizard> DarkX: sorry, imporoper tab complete
[10:56] <nzk> im trying to open a network folder
[10:57] <nzk> but ubuntu is like "cannot open" i created it myself. what do i do??
[11:00] <elvirolo> hi all
[11:02] <nzk> why can't i connect to a shared folder on my network
[11:02] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with cups?
[11:05] <elvirolo> anyone around ?
[11:06] <nzk> apparently not
[11:12] <Marty_Suse> hello
[11:13] <Marty_Suse> je voudrais signaler un bug sur feisty histoire de faire avancer le chmilblick avant la finale
[11:13] <Adri2000> english please
[11:14] <Marty_Suse> i'd like to put on the light a bug on feisty before the final release
[11:15] <phaidros> what you mean by putting the light on?
[11:15] <Marty_Suse> tell you that a find a bug
[11:15] <pari> report, I suppose :)
[11:15] <Marty_Suse> :)
[11:16] <Marty_Suse> pari: yeah report a bug
[11:16] <Adri2000> Marty_Suse: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs see if it's not already reported
[11:16] <Adri2000> if it's not... then report it :)
[11:16] <Marty_Suse> okey
[11:17] <Marty_Suse> elvirolo: oui
[11:19] <Marty_Suse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 lol :)
[11:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[11:21] <shirish> guys is anybody getting openoffice.org updates tonight?
[11:22] <feistyman> hello
[11:23] <shirish> hi feistyman
[11:24] <feistyman> Hi shirish
[11:24] <shirish> so whats up?
[11:24] <feistyman> I was wondering...
[11:24] <feistyman> Have you heard of anyone else (besides me) who has to manually click on the internet everytime I boot up Ubuntu 7.04?
[11:25] <shirish> feistyman: what do u mean by clicking on internet?
[11:25] <pari> shirish, about OO - yeah, a couple of hours ago I did get the updates
[11:25] <feistyman> There's an icon (double-monitor) that appears in the upper right corner near the clock, and I have to click on "wired network" before my dsl internet is recognized.
[11:25] <SuperTeece> hey all
[11:26] <pari> I wonder, if there's anything new in the western front regarding nvidia-glx-legacy :/
[11:26] <shirish> pari: ok cool, I hope u know there was a bug about that sometime back
[11:26] <pari> I want my damn effects!
[11:26] <pari> shirish, nope, didn't know
[11:27] <feistyman> It's set for "direct internet connection" in the network proxy.
[11:27] <shirish> pari: ok will try to dig out that one for u
[11:27] <rod> i need a help with shorewall on feisty. shorewall is not starting; it says ERROR: Command "/sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -m physdev --physdev-out eth0 -m policy --pol none --dir out -j fw2loc" Failed
[11:27] <feistyman> It worked automatically when I booted up a live cd of Edgy that I had lying around.
[11:27] <SuperTeece> feistyman makesure in /etc/network/interfaces you have "auto eth#" for that connection
[11:28] <anti_pop> can someone explain me how i can fsck my drive to scan for bad sectors and "fix" them ?
[11:28] <anti_pop> like exclude them from use
[11:29] <feistyman> SuperTeece, do you mean in Administration/ network  . That area?
[11:29] <shirish> pari: bug#99544
[11:30] <SuperTeece> not sure about that one feistyman, I always mess around by using "sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces"
[11:30] <shirish> bug #99544
[11:30] <SuperTeece> manually edit the file instead of usig a gui
[11:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 99544 in defoma "[apport]  package openoffice.org-common failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99544
[11:30] <feistyman> How do I do that? Type what you wrote in the terminal?
[11:30] <SuperTeece> yes
[11:31] <SuperTeece> do you know the name of the interface? i.e. eth0 eth1 etc
[11:31] <Arko> isn't skype in repositories?
[11:31] <SuperTeece> arko yeah
[11:31] <Arko> hmmm
[11:32] <Arko> found. Thanks SuperTeece
[11:32] <Askar> I think all my firefox settings disappeared when I updated..is that possiblee?
[11:32] <SuperTeece> np
[11:32] <SuperTeece> askar anything is possible
[11:32] <feistyman> SuperTeece, I typed that command in there. What should I do now?
[11:33] <misfit_toy> anyone having keyboard shortcut issues with feisty? as in the multimedia shortcuts? mine worked fine in edgy, but the only thing I can get working in feisty is "mute"....weird, it's just a keyboard mapping. anyone?
[11:33] <Askar> !feisty
[11:33] <SuperTeece> though I don't think the updates touched firefox
[11:33] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[11:33] <SuperTeece> feistyman do you know how to use pastebin?
[11:33] <feistyman> Not really. If you remind me, i think I can.
[11:34] <feistyman> Do you want to look at what it says in my terminal?
[11:34] <omha> who said you cant upgrade debian to ubuntu
[11:35] <omha> just a lot of hassle
[11:35] <SuperTeece> just go to pastebin.com, paste what is in your terminal there and past the link to it in here
[11:35] <shirish> !paste
[11:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:35] <SuperTeece> that way you're not flodding the channel
[11:35] <SuperTeece> flooding
[11:36] <feistyman> Superteece, I've pasted it in. Where do I send it?
[11:36] <SuperTeece> use the link from ubotu.... thanks shirish
[11:37] <SuperTeece> feistyman use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ instead, I couldn't remember it, lol
[11:37] <rod> i need a help with shorewall on feisty. shorewall is not starting; it says ERROR: Command "/sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -m physdev --physdev-out eth0 -m policy --pol none --dir out -j fw2loc" Failed
[11:38] <rod> when I run iptables by hand, it says: root@starkey:~# /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o br0 -m physdev --physdev-out eth0 -m policy --pol none --dir out -j fw2loc
[11:38] <rod> iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load target `fw2loc':/lib/iptables/libipt_fw2loc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:38] <feistyman> Did you get it, SuperTeece?
[11:38] <SuperTeece> no, after you hit the Paste! button copy that url and paste it here
[11:39] <SuperTeece> like this
[11:39] <shirish> feistyman: you need to copy the link from there to here
[11:39] <SuperTeece> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14457/
[11:40] <feistyman> I just sent it.
[11:40] <billytwowilly> is it normal for feisty to think an ide drive should be /dev/sdf ? It was /dev/hdb in edgy
[11:40] <SuperTeece> there is nowhere to send it, I gave you the wrong url the first time... use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:40] <shirish> billytwowilly: yup there has been a change
[11:40] <shirish> !libata
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <shirish> !uuid
[11:41] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[11:41] <misfit_toy> anyone having keyboard shortcut issues with feisty? as in the multimedia shortcuts? mine worked fine in edgy, but the only thing I can get working in feisty is "mute"....weird, it's just a keyboard mapping. anyone?
[11:41] <shirish> billytwowilly: look the link I gave above
[11:41] <feistyman> Did you get that one, SuperTeece
[11:42] <shirish> feistyman: he would not get it unless you are pmming him
[11:42] <shirish> what would be better if its not personal info. to copy & paste the url right in the chat
[11:42] <feistyman> tp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14459/
[11:42] <billytwowilly> shirish: oh ok, so it's  a kernel driver thing. Gotcha. I still like to mount the other way... namely because I can remember /dev/hdb1 and I can't remembera uuid;)
[11:43] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14459/
[11:43] <SuperTeece> got it
[11:43] <SuperTeece> well all that work and my idea didn't pan out, sorry
[11:43] <feistyman> Superteece, did you get that one?
[11:44] <SuperTeece> but you learned pastebin! thats god, right?
[11:44] <feistyman> Why, does everything look ok?
[11:44] <SuperTeece> yeah, it is set to auto
[11:44] <SuperTeece> which I thought would be the problem, but it is good
[11:44] <SuperTeece> so I'm drawing a blank
[11:44] <SuperTeece> sorry, brb for dinner
[11:45] <feistyman> I wonder why the heck it's doing that. It should just recognize it automatically
[11:45] <feistyman> That's ok. Obviously it's something. Maybe someone else will help figure it out. I've tried a bunch of things myself.
[11:48] <XamDM> my feisty takes a long time within bootup after starting netwok..., anyone else noticed such problems ???
[11:50] <phaidros> XamDM: maybe it waits loong time for dhcp address and there is no dhcp server
[11:50] <XamDM> phaidros, to pc's same problem, dhcp-server is available..., edgy had no such problems
[11:51] <phaidros> hm, no idea then .. does dmesg/syslog say anything?
[11:52] <Tomg> hi all, im having some trouble with dual monitor fglrx, my X server wont start at all when i use the multiple monitor xorg.conf, can anyone help me debug please?
[11:52] <XamDM> phaidros, looks normal
[11:53] <phaidros> XamDM: installed some firewalling stuff like firehol or such?
[11:53] <phaidros> XamDM: where _exactly_ in the boot process does it take long?
[11:53] <XamDM> phaidros, nothing
[11:53] <xionox> hi
[11:53] <xionox> I have a question
[11:54] <phaidros> !dontask
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dontask - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <XamDM> phaidros, after activating networking, init-botom-scripts
[11:54] <shirish> feistyman: are u on wire or wireless?
[11:55] <e\ectro_> anyone running vmware-server 1.0.2 and get the vpu FPU panic error?
[11:55] <phaidros> xionox: don't ask to ask, just ask your question
[11:55] <e\ectro_> was getting the same error in edgy
[11:55] <xionox>  Why wpa_supplicant is'nt compilled & packaged withe the patch from Atheros for managing RT61 wireless chipset ? with that it will be very easy to configure wireless with network-manager
[11:55] <georgeb> hi, i'm having a little problem with kde apps; when I move over/move out the mouse over a combo-box it flickers very fast several times, like it's refreshing its contents; after move over if i keep the mouse on the combo box area it's ok, until i move out when it flickers again; do you know about this problem or should I fill a bug with more details ?
[11:56] <phaidros> xionox: good question, would be great if you suggest this to the package maintainers!
[11:56] <xionox> how ?
[11:56] <Tomg> can someone help me please....
[11:57] <phaidros> xionox: see packages.ubuntu.org to find out who is the maintainer _or_ even better have a look at launchpad, there you could file a bug as feature request
[11:57] <shirish> Tomg: I will help u by taking that monitor away, now there dont u feel better
[11:57] <phaidros> Tomg: sry, dunno about this :/
[11:57] <shirish> ;)
[11:58] <Askar> no more changes can be made to the kernel now is that right+
[11:58] <Tomg> shirish: no.... 2 is always better thn 1 ;)
[11:58] <phaidros> Askar: unlikely
[11:58] <shirish> naughty naughty
[11:58] <phaidros> Tomg: why not 3 ??
[11:58] <shirish> Askar: only if some big bug comes I guess otherwise no
[11:58] <xionox> phaidros thanks
[11:58] <Tomg> i would galdly if my gfx card supported it lol
[11:59] <Askar> phaidros:  so if my wireless dont work in the newest kernel..its likely it wont work in final release?
[11:59] <phaidros> Askar: sure it just doesn't work/
[11:59] <phaidros> ?
[11:59] <Tomg> so if anyone wants to donate a nvidia gfx card to a struggling ati user.... just pm me for my mailing address ;)
[11:59] <Askar> phaidros: yeah...it works if I boot into an older kernel at grub
[11:59] <Askar> dont know why..
[11:59] <phaidros> Askar: I think for urgent things there  will be updates. its 12 days to go and still alot of bugs around
[12:00] <phaidros> Askar: which chipset?
[12:00] <Askar> phaidros: dont know..its a dlink DWL-G650+
[12:00] <Arko> DWL-G510 does not work properly also
[12:01] <Tomg> *sits by the letterbox, eagerly awaiting a 8800gt :p *
[12:01] <jonah1980> hi guys youtube and flash sites were working a few weeks back but now they're not. is this cos fiesty will have a way to install them itself? how can i get flash content?
[12:01] <VirhYl3> How do I share folders with an XP machine?
[12:02] <Askar> VirhYl3: rightcklick on a folder
[12:02] <Terrasque> hello. Anyone have problems with installing the new sed package?
[12:02] <phaidros> jonah1980: installed flashplayer?
[12:02] <phaidros> VirhYl3: or system -> administration -> shared folders
[12:02] <VirhYl3> Askar: Did that, selected Share via SMB.
[12:02] <phaidros> Askar: dunno about that cards, sry
[12:02] <shirish> jonah1980: which flashplayer did u install, through wine or the flashplugin-nonfree
[12:03] <jonah1980> to be honest i don't know anymore! haha
[12:03] <Askar>  phaidros:  can you think of any reason that it works in old kernel but not newest? :S
[12:03] <phaidros> VirhYl3: I had the same prob also, no chance to mount the smb share in XP? didn't find a solution and just used a stick :/
[12:03] <jonah1980> i'm not sure what's going on with feisty now, how am i supposed to do it
[12:03] <shirish> then there is gnash as well as swf-player both promising candinates
[12:03] <shirish> although swf-player has shown more promise
[12:03] <VirhYl3> the other PC sees the Ubuntu one, but asks for a password, and cannot accept any I have given.  Plus it won't show the files.
[12:04] <Tomg> please, is there a fglrx expert in the room?
[12:04] <phaidros> Askar: I don't know if you maybe need restricted modules for that card or even ndiswrapper
[12:04] <jonah1980> i just wanted to use the proprietary version of flash player, but i read somewhere this would now be included in fiesty
[12:04] <VirhYl3> i just want to play music by sharing my mp3s like I used to.... *sniff*.
[12:04] <shirish> jonah1980: the issue with that is any bugs they find they cannot do anything about that
[12:04] <Terrasque> When I try to install the new sed package (via apt-get install -f) I get this error : " files list file for package `ucf' is missing final newline", and it stops.
[12:04] <phaidros> jonah1980: there is an "commercial" repository by canonical, look into your synaptic configuration.
[12:04] <jonah1980> shirish, but is it true they're gonna include it or not then?
[12:05] <shirish> with the open source versions they can always see and improve the code as well as send it upstream so everybody gets it
[12:05] <phaidros> Terrasque: souns like a bug
[12:05] <shirish> jonah1980: they will include it, but if you are thinking support forget it, thats macromedia/adobe concern
[12:06] <shirish> I am just waiting for debs of 0.42 swf_player to come out, they can play youtube
[12:06] <Terrasque> phaidros: yes, it does. I'm trying to find buglist for fiesty sed atm, was just hoping that someone had a fix / workaround
[12:06] <jonah1980> phaidros, i don't see a commercial section, only a restricted one, and i can't see flash in there
[12:06] <Infecto> hi did some one can tell me what can be wrong ? ati X1400 fglrx, tv seems to work 100ns :) when i switch betwen sat and svide it works for part of second
[12:06] <phaidros> jonah1980: sry, its the restricted one, forget commercial ;)
[12:06] <Infecto> can some one tell me why ?
[12:08] <shirish> I wish somebody would start a ubuntu-compiz or ubuntu-beryl
[12:09] <VirhYl3> there's a #ubuntu-effects
[12:10] <Askar> ubuntu has recently removed some of my settings because of an update I think (settings in firefox, gconf, gaim and more..) happened to anyone else?
[12:10] <ompaul> crimsun, ever come across hda ati sb device alc861vd analog -- also showing up as a modem at the same time? si3054
[12:10] <shirish> nope all cool here, any idea what the updates were?
[12:11] <Askar> shirish: no.. :( the "report bug" was removed from the system menu too...
[12:11] <shirish> Aksar: you can always use bug-buddy
[12:11] <Terrasque> anyone remember the command for unpacking a .deb file manually?
[12:11] <shirish> Aksar: type bug-buddy
[12:12] <shirish> Terrasque: dpkg -i packagename
[12:12] <Terrasque> shirish: ar x infact. I said manually unpacking, not installing :)
[12:13] <feistyman> shirish, sorry I was forced a way for a bit. I have AT&T DSL
[12:15] <shirish> feistyman: the paste you had pasted was output of?
[12:15] <xtknight> anyone have the trouble where you type your user at the gdm login and it doesn't print the first char?  as if there was a lag in typing...  (after that it's fine)
[12:16] <xtknight> i consistently have the trouble every day
[12:16] <feistyman> I'm trying to remember. Can I give you the link?
[12:16] <shirish> feistyman: It was /etc/network/interfaces
[12:16] <feistyman> yes, that's it.
[12:16] <freeza> xtknnight: i have that issue
[12:17] <xtknight> freeza, oh yeah?  is there a bug?  should we file one?
[12:17] <feistyman> Do you think you can figure out what I need to do?
[12:17] <shirish> feistyman: what u are missing there is your ip address, subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and your gateway address
[12:17] <freeza> i looked it up but couldnt really find anything so i just gave up and just hit the first letter twice now lol
[12:17] <freeza> its like a reflex now
[12:17] <shirish> feistyman: if you are running a dual-boot then it is very easy to find out
[12:17] <xtknight> freeza, i'm going to make a bug on launchpad for it
[12:17] <xtknight> are there seriously only 7 bugs in feisty?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs
[12:18] <freeza> but i have the same issue on edgy and feisty
[12:18] <feistyman> So, you think if I type those in there, it would make it log on auto. I've typed those in the Adminstration. Network area, and it didn't seem to make a difference.
[12:18] <xtknight> is that the proper place?
[12:18] <xtknight> freeza, really..i dont have the problem in edgy
[12:18] <freeza> yeah
[12:18] <xtknight> freeza, except i havent used edgy.  maybe edgys latest updates do it too
[12:18] <shirish> feistyman: go to windows, open the command prompt there & type ipconfig /all
[12:18] <VirhYl3> xtknight.... that is NOT true.
[12:18] <freeza> so i just learned to live with it
[12:18] <feistyman> ok
[12:18] <xtknight> VirhYl3, where are the rest of the feisty bugs?
[12:18] <freeza> its not really a big deal though
[12:18] <shirish> xtknight: I think that itself will count as a bug lol :P
[12:18] <xtknight> ;p
[12:18] <xtknight> launchpad is so confusing sometimes
[12:19] <VirhYl3> I've submitted at least two that have not been listed.  Yeah, I don't really get the interface either.
[12:19] <feistyman> Did you mean terminal?
[12:19] <xtknight> can somebody link me the /exact/ place to report a bug in Feisty?
[12:19] <shirish> xtknight: have you not seen launchpad he is crazy in real life, no idea how scrooge handles him ;)
[12:19] <shirish> xtknight: what bug u want to report?
[12:19] <xtknight> i think previously i just reported to edgy and prefixed it with [feisty]  or sometihng
[12:19] <georgeb> lol, I'm searching for the same thing for about 15 minutes :)
[12:20] <feistyman> Windows, I found it. Doesn't look like I can type anything there.
[12:20] <xtknight> shirish, at the gdm login, the first character i type doesn't go in the username box.  it's as if i didn't type the first character
[12:20] <xtknight> shirish, freeza also has the issue with edgy and feisty
[12:20] <shirish> feistyman: are u running a single box with feisty or its a dual boot with xp or 98?
[12:20] <shirish> xtknight: I was there about couple of hrs. ago & everything was showing
[12:21] <xtknight> has happened for ages on mine
[12:21] <feistyman> shirish, it's a dual boot with xp
[12:21] <crimsun> ompaul: no. What's the issue?
[12:21] <ompaul> crimsun, no audio at all - tried adding a few bits and pieces ended up in the same place
[12:22] <crimsun> ompaul: the fix for certain SSIDs and ALC861-VD was committed sometime last week; it may be available in the final Feisty kernel.
[12:22] <shirish> feistyman: in that case go to xp, open up the command prompt there, start > accessories > command prompt
[12:22] <shirish> type ipconfig/all
[12:22] <ompaul> crimsun, thanks, I'll find it if its is not there :)
[12:22] <crimsun> ompaul: It's really up to Ben; it's not a resolution for a critical regression, so it may well not be committed.
[12:22] <crimsun> ompaul: pastebin your /proc/asound/card0/codec* , and we can probably hack around it for now
[12:22] <shirish> feistyman: you will get an ip address, and gateway address and the subnet mask
[12:23] <shirish> copy it somewhere
[12:23] <feistyman> Shirish, I have all of that information now.
[12:23] <xtknight> freeza, ok lets file one
[12:23] <shirish> feistyman: ok then its easy
[12:23] <ompaul> crimsun, all its just a toshiba satellite l30 - 101 does not have any audio if you give me 5 mins I'll turn it on again :)
[12:23] <xtknight> freeza, i'll do it and you comment on the bug
[12:23] <freeza> ok
[12:24] <freeza> where do i go?
[12:24] <feistyman> Hasn't been so far, but I hope you're right. What do you want me to do next. By the way, thanks so much!
[12:24] <shirish> feistyman: look at mine at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14467/
[12:25] <feistyman> I see it
[12:25] <crimsun> ompaul: I need the codec dump; model numbers don't help me at all.
[12:25] <xionox> someone tried Feisty with an RT61 wireless chipset ?
[12:25] <xtknight> freeza, one moment
[12:25] <shirish> feistyman: now to /etc/network/interfaces and just post the relevant details there
[12:25] <ompaul> crimsun, just saying its low end and not very popular afik :)
[12:25] <xtknight> bah launchpad is broken or something "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad"
[12:25] <feistyman> what's that code again, in the terminal, so I can compare it to mine?