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[04:17] <DM> damnig
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[08:31] <kelsey435> ello?
[08:31] <Flannel> Howdy
[08:31] <kelsey435> ok
[08:32] <Flannel> so, you want /boot on it's own partition? or did you just get recomended that by whomever?
[08:32] <kelsey435> I just was doing what someone else was telling me today
[08:32] <kelsey435> had me doing a boot, a swap and a home
[08:32] <Flannel> Er... no root?
[08:33] <Flannel> that would be /
[08:33] <kelsey435> ....at this point i just push buttons
[08:33] <Flannel> Heh.  Ok
[08:33] <Flannel> Are you dualbooting?
[08:33] <kelsey435> when i was trying to install it but myself i set the boot flagged partition to '/'
[08:33] <kelsey435> yes my desktop has xp as well
[08:34] <kelsey435> on separate hd's tho
[08:35] <Flannel> Ok.  A separate boot will be handy because it means that if youdecide to remove linux later, you don't necesarily need to reinstall the windows bootloader to be able to boot, /boot will still be there, and still allow you to boot to windows.
[08:35] <Flannel> But, if you have a windows CD handy, and don't mind fixmbr if you decide to ditch linux, then it won't matter
[08:35] <Flannel> Usually, you'll find in a few months you'll want to tune your HDs a bit differently anyway, now that you know what you're doing.
[08:36] <Flannel> Or, I did anyway.  Went through a few installs just because I wanted to shuffle stuff around
[08:36] <kelsey435> right, i see what you saying
[08:36] <Flannel> especially when /home is on it's own partition, reinstalling around it becomes increasingly easy
[08:36] <kelsey435> In the next few months i thinking of building a second comp, and making my second machine the straight linux box
[08:37] <Flannel> so, we'll need a root (/) partition, which will hold all of our stuff, except /home (all our personal stuff)
[08:37] <Flannel> How big is the HD?
[08:37] <kelsey435> 80 gb
[08:38] <Flannel> are you going to be running anything on this machine?  apache or whatnot?
[08:38] <kelsey435> do not know about such things yet
[08:38] <Flannel> alright.
[08:39] <kelsey435> i am wanting to learn something new, but i hate macs, so i am diving in here
[08:39] <Flannel> We'll go ahead and give you 10GB (or thereabouts) for /, 70GB for /home
[08:39] <kelsey435> no swap?
[08:39] <Flannel> but first, a 512MB /boot
[08:39] <Flannel> oh right.
[08:39] <Flannel> good call
[08:39] <kelsey435> ; ] 
[08:39] <Flannel> How much RAM do you have?
[08:39] <kelsey435> erm i believe 1 gb
[08:40] <kelsey435> yeah 1 gb
[08:40] <Flannel> This is a desktop?
[08:40] <kelsey435> yes
[08:41] <Flannel> alright.  Um, Well, 'traditionally' you double the RAM for swap.  Although, I don't personally ever see a reason for more than 1GB of swap (well, with 1GB of RAM), but That might just be me.  Unless you're hibernating, then you need at least te size of your RAM in swap
[08:42] <Flannel> So, we'll first make a 512MB /boot, then make / then /home then swap
[08:42] <Flannel> however big you want
[08:43] <kelsey435> ok so i am going to manuelly edit table
[08:43] <Flannel> um, oh.  right, yeah.
[08:43] <Flannel> Let me... find a photo walkthrough of the install, so I'll knwo what you're talking about ;)
[08:43] <kelsey435> i assume just delete the 3 partitions i have in here ?
[08:44] <Flannel> Uh, yeah.  Ditch everything
[08:44] <kelsey435> ok
[08:45] <kelsey435> ok new partion...512mb  created as primary and ext3?
[08:45] <Flannel> Yeah
[08:45] <Flannel> and, round to cylinders, if it's unchecked
[08:45] <kelsey435> kk
[08:46] <kelsey435> second
[08:46] <kelsey435> how big for /
[08:46] <kelsey435> 10?
[08:46] <Flannel> somethign around there.
[08:46] <kelsey435> primary ext3 rounded?
[08:47] <Flannel> all of these ext3, what are the otheroptions besides primary?
[08:47] <kelsey435> extended
[08:47] <Flannel> all of these will be rounded as well.
[08:47] <kelsey435> then logical is not selectable
[08:47] <Flannel> yes primary
[08:47] <Flannel> right
[08:47] <Flannel> We'll deal with that now
[08:47] <Flannel> so, / is pimary
[08:47] <kelsey435> kk
[08:47] <Flannel> now, make a partition with the rest of the space, set it to extended
[08:48] <kelsey435> no swap?
[08:48] <Flannel> That'll go inside this one
[08:48] <kelsey435> o ok
[08:48] <Flannel> swap and /home will be logical partitions
[08:48] <kelsey435> tight
[08:49] <kelsey435> ok i have 3 partitions all ext3 512, 10 gb and 65ish gb
[08:49] <Flannel> right.  Um, now... new partition
[08:49] <Flannel> Logical should be available, I hope
[08:50] <kelsey435> i can make logical drives from extended partitions
[08:50] <kelsey435> i dont know if i can from primary
[08:50] <Flannel> Right.  We want to do that.
[08:50] <Flannel> no, only extended
[08:50] <Flannel> and you can only have one extended
[08:51] <kelsey435> ok
[08:51] <Flannel> However we end up doing that.  Like I said, Ive never used the liveCD installer
[08:51] <Flannel> so, make your last two (swap and /home) as logical
[08:51] <kelsey435> so the first logical partition should be the swap with a size of 1 gb? etx3?
[08:52] <Flannel> swap is swap filetype, not ext3
[08:52] <Flannel> there should be a swap thing
[08:52] <kelsey435> had i optioned the options window i woulda figured it out
[08:52] <kelsey435> ; ] 
[08:52] <kelsey435> 1 or 2 gbs?
[08:52] <Flannel> whatever you want
[08:52] <kelsey435> you said i never need over 1 gb?
[08:53] <Flannel> I've never used my swap... period
[08:53] <Flannel> but, I don't do a whole lot of memory stuffs
[08:53] <kelsey435> the rest will be logical ext3?
[08:53] <Flannel> yeah, ext3 for all non-swap ones
[08:53] <kelsey435> neither do i, i just like to kill people on counterstrike
[08:53] <Flannel> If you do 2GB swap, it just means 1 less GB for /home, which isn't a big deal, all things considered
[08:53] <Flannel> Actually.
[08:54] <Flannel> Make /home first
[08:54] <Flannel> then swap
[08:54] <Flannel> swap last thing
[08:54] <Flannel> and make swap 2gb
[08:54] <Flannel> if you want to shrink swap later, you'll be able to.
[08:54] <Flannel> (and expand home).  If you did it the other way around, you wouldn't
[08:54] <kelsey435> ok
[08:55] <kelsey435> i have 3 partitions with one spilt up
[08:55] <Flannel> then, once that's done... hit forward
[08:55] <kelsey435> forward?
[08:55] <Flannel> Or next
[08:55] <Flannel> or whatever
[08:55] <kelsey435> whatever makes me go onward haha
[08:56] <kelsey435> all operations successful...ima press close
[08:56] <Flannel> right
[08:56] <kelsey435> do i need to have the mount points in a specific order?
[08:56] <Flannel> Um, I don't think so.  I'd do them in order that they're on the disk
[08:57] <kelsey435> _/  /boot   /home swap?
[08:57] <Flannel> so, /boot / /home swap
[08:57] <Flannel> but, I don't think it matters
[08:57] <kelsey435> ok going forward
[08:58] <Flannel> it'll take a bit, to format everything and stuff
[08:58] <Flannel> oh, wait.
[08:58] <Flannel> one more screen.
[08:58] <kelsey435> the one that has install on it?
[08:58] <Flannel> You want to install grub to hd0.
[08:58] <Flannel> There's ONE button, albeit a smidge hidden
[08:59] <Flannel> it should already say hd0
[08:59] <Flannel> just confirm, then hit install
[08:59] <Flannel> this will overwrite the windows bootloader, so GRUB can do it's thing.
[08:59] <kelsey435> i alrdy hit install, i didnt check to make sure it was set right, but usually it is on  hd0
[08:59] <Flannel> yeah.  thta's default.  otherwise we'd have to tweak a few files and some other stuff.
[09:00] <kelsey435> I have gotten to this step like 345654034 times, but i ahve finally gotten past 15 %
[09:00] <kelsey435> yay
[09:00] <kelsey435> so when i start my pc will it ask me which os i wanna run? or so i have to set the hd's to the right boot sequences?
[09:01] <kelsey435> or do i**
[09:01] <Flannel> GRUB is installing to hd0, which is primary master.  So, it'll boot.  There will be a menu regarding which.  Um, it *might* be hidden by default, I don't know.
[09:01] <Flannel> if it is, it's trivial to make it not hidden.
[09:02] <kelsey435> yay trivial things
[09:02] <Flannel> but yes, grub will ask which OS you want to boot, with a timer of N seconds
[09:02] <kelsey435> ok,  i am excited to actually be able to play around with linux outside of live cd
[09:03] <Flannel> Oh, remember to take the liveCD out when rebooting.  Mhmm.  Or, whatever.  When the liveCD prompts you (if it's still in; again, I don't know how the liveCD does it), boot to HD not the CD
[09:04] <kelsey435> do you know by chance if windows' remote desktop can go into a linux box?  I found programs that will let me into a linux box from a pc, but you know it isnt going to be on all desktops i have in the future
[09:05] <kelsey435> yeah ill take out the cd
[09:05] <Flannel> There are RDP things for linux
[09:05] <kelsey435> right.  but if i am at a buddies house, he will not have it. you know what i am saying?
[09:06] <Flannel> there are RDP servers for linux
[09:07] <kelsey435> ok
[09:17] <kelsey435> is there a reason as to why the / was to 10 gb?  is that just the amount of space needed for the os?
[09:18] <Flannel> about 2GB is needed by the OS
[09:18] <Flannel> but, you'll be installing more stuff (still won't take a lot)
[09:18] <kelsey435> 10 just for expasion?
[09:18] <kelsey435> -typos
[09:18] <Flannel> but, / has ... lots of stuff in it, like, if you were hosting apache (to serve files to your LAN or whatnot), that'll go in /var/www
[09:18] <Flannel> and that'll be inside of /
[09:19] <kelsey435> ok
[09:19] <Flannel> so yeah, 10GB is most likely more than you'll EVER need.  But, it's better than running out
[09:19] <kelsey435> simple enough
[09:19] <kelsey435> can i see the files on my other hd's?
[09:19] <Flannel> there are other things that deal with this issue, like allowing you ro resize on the fly (without even rebooting), but that's... a bit more complicated.
[09:19] <Flannel> yeah, you'll... have to mount it.
[09:19] <Flannel> !ntfs
[09:19] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:20] <kelsey435> you have been totally awesome i am so thankful
[09:21] <Flannel> I'm just glad we didn't run into that random error you were having earlier.  Since I had no idea what was causing it.
[09:22] <kelsey435> now that i am not "completly clueless" i can see my partitions were no where near set up right
[09:23] <kelsey435> i am sure that is was trying to write to something that wasnt even set up
[09:23] <kelsey435> no root and a 10 gb boot ;x
[09:25] <Flannel> yeah.  no root was sort of odd
[09:28] <kelsey435> !ntfs-3g
[09:28] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[09:28] <kelsey435> is this sketchy? and i should worry about being able to read um?
[09:31] <Flannel> read is fine.  You don't need to worry about ntfs-3g if you just need to read NTFS
[09:31] <Flannel> reading is builtin.  writing was only recently stabalized (that factoid used to say "its still beta software" instead of the "extensively tested" bit
[09:32] <kelsey435> k
[09:33] <kelsey435> i ran the diskmounter, but i cannot seem to locate them
[09:34] <Flannel> kelsey435: No idea.  You'd probably be better served asking in #ubuntu.  I've never dealt with mounting NTFS.
[09:34] <kelsey435> kk
[09:34] <kelsey435> thanks
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[11:44] <iKs> Yop  tous :)
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[11:45] <iKs> Toute critique, remarque, ide, etc.. est la bienvenue ;)
[11:46] <iKs> Er..
[11:46] <iKs> Sorry >_<
[11:46] <iKs> Wrong channel...
[11:46] <iKs> #ubuntu-classroom != #ubuntu-fr-classroom......
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[08:41] <sacater> i wish to learn about bash
[08:41] <sacater> and bash programs
[08:42] <nalioth> !bash
[08:42] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:43] <sacater> nalioth: please try and talk to a guy called welp (#gentoo-dev), hes been wanting to talk to you for ages :|
[08:44] <nalioth> sacater: ? i'm here every day
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[08:50] <sacater> well, its his name he was after really
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[11:48] <MoSha> Hola, cmo les va?
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