=== Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] [12:48] is there any reason why gnome-terminal sets the TERM type as xterm, and not xterm-color [12:50] xterm is in color === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p85.212.55.116.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jan [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@58.165.241.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] oooh look a new hot spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === romuloubuntu [n=chatzill@201.15.118.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] I would like to know how can I help on ubuntu development [02:13] I can code in C C++ and Java [02:13] and have a limited knowloedge about linux and ubuntu [02:13] i dont know much, but want to help [02:14] romuloubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === romuloubuntu_ [n=chatzill@200-140-60-38.gnace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.103.150.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.103.150.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8E0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon28043.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@adsl-71-146-115-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon12954.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madc [n=d@adsl-6-126-165.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-6-126-165.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-214-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.169.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hugomelo [n=hugo@143.106.7.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@82.53.87.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dstanek [n=dstanek@cpe-76-188-30-106.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] is there a good official set of instructions for upgrading to feisty? all i can find is forum posts with bits and pieces of information [06:23] dstanek: #ubuntu+1 is probably a better channel to ask, are you wanting to upgrade now? [06:24] dstanek: there will be soon, via a set of release notes [06:25] LaserJock: yep - i saw some interesting bugs that i would like to take a look at === jan [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@unaffiliated/pradeep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-184.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@chello080109002146.13.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ra21vi [n=ravi@122.162.132.81] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] hi [08:50] is there any performance enhancements in Feisty [08:51] everybuddy must be sleeping :) [08:52] exit === freeflying_ [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@89.137.96.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] cjwatson: please let thunar-volman-plugin through when you're around. thank you === mdke [n=matt@212-139-116-224.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madc [n=d@adsl-35-254-175.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-54-105.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-10.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.191.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === btse [n=BTSE@c83-253-228-44.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] janimo: grrr stop disappearing when I want to talk to you === cjwatson mails [11:24] hate drive-by IRC though [11:29] lol === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] hmm... is it normal for mailing lists to have 170 people unsubscribe at precisely the same moment? [11:33] eek [11:33] I've had something similar on ubuntu-it [11:34] nothing on marketing like that [11:34] mdke, -users had 170 an hour and a half ago [11:34] occasionally we have mass unsubscriptions caused by excessive bounces from one particular provider [11:34] same provider? [11:34] multiple providers [11:34] maybe related to these problems we've been having with the list recently [11:34] hmm.. maybe not [11:34] apologies, all gmail [11:35] excessive bounces? [11:35] maybe gmail had some downtime [11:36] no indication of bounces, no [11:36] given the traffic on -users, it probably doesn't take much downtime to get a lot of undelivered mail [11:36] what's the reason given for the unsubscription? [11:36] im not admin, only mod, i dont get the reason [11:36] oh, right [11:36] "#####@gmail.com has been removed from ubuntu-users." [11:36] is all i see [11:37] best grab an admin, I guess [11:40] talking of bounces, I've had 800 so far from that wiki licensing email I just sent out... did anyone actually get it? [11:40] let's hope my provider isn't spam blocked or something [11:40] i got it [11:40] okay [11:41] some people do change email addresses like underwear though [11:42] I got it [11:42] cjwatson, who's around i can poke to investigate this mass unsub? === ivoks [n=ivoks@22-234.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] a lot of these bounces seem to be related to me being blocked... oh well. Hopefully the majority are getting it [11:45] mdke, i'm sure it will be blogged about, reposted, etc. the message will get out [11:46] yes, I've blogged it now and I'll use a few mailing lists too [11:50] looks like I was on spamhaus pbl, damn [11:50] mdke: i didnt get it at gmail [11:51] what's your address? [11:52] mdke: markc.lists etc [11:53] you're not in my list :) [11:53] oh i thought it was to a mailing list :) [11:53] sorry [11:54] should be anyone who has edited documentation on an ubuntu wiki, more or less === mdke goes for a shower === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] who controls the nvidia-glx development? === wereHamster [n=wereHams@neopsis.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] sacater: NVIDIA, perhaps? [12:07] but who adds nivida-glx to universe? [12:09] It's in restricted, and I'm not sure who. [12:09] I thought it was in multiverse [12:09] poningru: Fujitsu any way i can find out? [12:10] No, restricted. [12:10] sacater: It'll be the kernel team. [12:10] Ubuntu Kernel Team [12:10] yeah [12:10] Maintainer: Ubuntu Kernel Team [12:24] ok [12:24] thanks === cassidy [n=cassidy@4.230-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/94055 [12:54] Malone bug 94055 in xorg "MacBook Pro touchpad too sensitive in Feisty - kernel-2.6.20-12" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:54] please, disabled the touchpad in the macbook :( === dpm [n=dpm@p54a10232.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-94.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity_ [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.103.150.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A606C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === okaratas [n=ozgurk@fsf/member/okaratas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@200.103.150.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@226.27-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gerv [n=gerv@grmarkham.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] Any boot process hackers about? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54a60a5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] mdke: did you get your issue handled? [02:33] hi mako [02:33] elkbuntu: hola [02:34] mako, PM ok? === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] yes === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] mako: yes thanks [02:48] awesome, thanks === poningru waves at gerv === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gerv waves back, belatedly === gerv 's laptop is still hosed [03:05] gerv: whats wrong? [03:05] I installed the Feisty beta. [03:05] It decided that my single-disk laptop needed mdadm [03:05] -> #ubuntu+1 ? [03:05] (which is a RAID thing) [03:05] mdadm ?! === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] I tried in there. [03:05] gerv: which installer? [03:06] I had some cluebie telling me to reformat my hard disk. [03:06] hmm thats weird [03:06] Later on, it emerged that he didn't even run Ubuntu. [03:06] gerv: (LTNS) [03:06] mdadm doesn't work, and my laptop won't boot. [03:06] buh [03:06] cjwatson: Not sure how to answer your installer question. [03:06] gerv: live CD-type installer, or text mode? [03:06] I did an apt-get dist-upgrade. [03:06] oh, I see [03:07] eek [03:07] gerv: originally installed pre-dapper? [03:07] I'm happy to take this elsewhere; I just came in here to try and find someone with a clue. [03:07] sorry, dapper or earlier, I mean [03:07] Originally installed with dapper, yes. [03:07] right, dapper installed mdadm regardless [03:07] (I think.) [03:07] we took it out in edgy [03:07] I can boot the laptop with a liveCD. [03:08] you should just be able to boot a live CD, mount your normal filesystem, chroot in, apt-get --purge remove mdadm, and eboot [03:08] Using that, I updated to the latest version of lots of stuff, as SJR asked me to do in the bug I filed. [03:08] reboot [03:08] I removed mdadm, but it still won't boot. [03:08] ok, so we can skip mdadm as the cause then [03:08] Well, it was an mdadm error which was the last thing the console printed. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gerv shrugs [03:08] But you are right, perhaps it's not that. [03:08] what does it do, drop you to an initramfs prompt? [03:08] I have a bug filed: [03:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148 [03:08] Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:09] Yes, it eventually times out to an initramfs prompt. [03:09] Or, I can get one quicker using the boot option break=mount === gerv is booting his Live CD again [03:09] (it takes about five minutes) [03:10] I think Scott missed the bit where you said you didn't actually have a RAID array [03:10] Ah :-) [03:10] I suspected that might be the case. [03:10] I did also say I had a laptop... [03:10] How many laptops have RAID arrays? [03:10] there are some freaks, but anyway [03:10] (Not including yours.) [03:10] mine doesn't. :-) [03:10] Oops. [03:10] Those two messages were typed at the same time! [03:11] Honest! [03:11] lol [03:11] have a look in /sys/block from the initramfs prompt to see if your hard disk is there [03:11] OK. [03:11] One second. [03:11] /sys/block/hda or /sys/block/sda or whateveer [03:11] What should it say? [03:11] Aha. [03:11] Can I use break=mount or must I wait for timeout? [03:11] if it's not there (as I suspect), then the kernel isn't detecting your disk [03:12] break=mount is fine [03:12] One sec... === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] /sys/block/sda is present. [03:12] the other possibility with a reasonably good probability attached to it is that your bootloader is pointing to the wrong root filesystem; there's a particularly good chance of this if you're using lilo [03:12] (My disk, for some reason, shows up as SCSI when I'm pretty sure it's IDE. [03:12] I'm using GRUB. [03:13] most disks are sd* now, due to libata [03:13] OK. [03:13] so sda is there. [03:13] ok, is /dev/sda* there? [03:13] Yes. [03:13] I try: [03:13] mkdir /tmp/hd [03:13] mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/hd [03:13] and it says: [03:13] "Mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/hd failed: Invalid argument" [03:14] (Helpful, huh?) [03:14] so that's the kernel saying EINVAL [03:14] if you're lucky, dmesg might have more information [03:14] I have /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda5. [03:14] Which I believe is correct. [03:14] dmesg: Not found. [03:14] argh silly busybox-initramfs [03:14] Neither is there a /var/log [03:15] gerv: can you try sda2? [03:15] try 'mount -t FSTYPE /dev/sdaWHATEVER' [03:15] poningru: Same problem. [03:15] And with 5. [03:15] er ... /tmp/hd [03:15] And with just /dev/sda. [03:15] OK. [03:15] Is it "-t ext" for ext3? [03:15] -t ext3 [03:15] Aha! [03:15] That works. [03:15] ok, now, sounds like your grub configuration is wrong [03:15] I can see my root filesystem. [03:16] check /boot/grub/menu.lst in the root fs to see what root= says [03:16] One practical problem. [03:16] How do I view it? [03:16] cat [03:16] busybox has no editor, and no "more". [03:16] chroot, editor-of-choice [03:16] It scrolls off the screen. [03:16] 'chroot /tmp/hd' will work now ... [03:16] Aha. [03:16] One second, then. [03:17] cjwatson: Do you have a moment to discuss a bug? [03:17] cjwatson: I can take over here if you want [03:17] OK. [03:17] StevenK: sure [03:17] poningru: *shrug*, I'm here for a little while [03:17] There are loads of stanzas. [03:17] cool [03:17] The first one has: [03:17] root (hd0,0) [03:18] In fact, that all do. [03:18] wait thats it? [03:18] there isnt anything more? [03:18] no, he means that all the stanzas have that [03:18] No, there's lots. [03:18] oh... [03:18] default 0 [03:18] cjwatson: bug 96464 has had the 7.04 milestone added to it - my opinion is that it's a user error, a hard problem to solve and we should ignore it until Feisty+1. I just wanted to see if you (or someone else from -release) concurs. [03:18] Malone bug 96464 in twiki "Twiki package: /usr/sbin/apachectl is not executable, exiting... " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96464 [03:18] this is not surprising, I'm looking for the root= on the kernel line [03:18] Ah! [03:19] root=/dev/evms/hda1 [03:19] bingo [03:19] Which is also true for all of them, [03:19] even the Edgy kernels. [03:19] gerv: There's a groot option [03:19] kick evms in the nuts, change that to /dev/sda1 throughout, probably purge evms from your system, and reboot === gerv readies his boot [03:19] !trout evms [03:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about trout evms - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:19] kopt, that is [03:19] lol [03:19] evms is another of the things we kicked out of standard post-dapper === gerv thinks you need a better class of bot [03:19] kopt=root=/dev/mapper/system-root ro [03:20] gerv: hey its better than firebot trust me [03:20] And then run update-grub [03:20] cjwatson: Are you able to update the bug with a proper description of the problem? [03:20] (Change your line to suit) [03:20] StevenK: he isnt on grub prompt [03:20] I would hate to think of lots of people upgrading from dapper having this issue. [03:20] poningru: That's in menu.lst [03:20] cjwatson: How do I purge evms? [03:20] As in, dpkg --purge remove evms? [03:20] StevenK: can't we just check whether /usr/sbin/apachectl etc. exist? Checking for conffiles is well-known to be wrong. [03:20] gerv: apt-get --purge remove evms [03:21] gerv: sure, I'll update it. Did you upgrade straight to feisty from dapper, or via edgy? [03:21] Via edgy. [03:21] ok [03:21] For quite a while, I ran edgy. [03:21] StevenK: oh did not know that [03:21] cjwatson: That error (which I find I can't reproduce to blow up) is from invoke-rc.d apache. [03:21] Am I supposed to ignore StevenK? That's another problem, right? :-) [03:22] StevenK: sure, but you can [ -x /usr/sbin/apachectl ] or whatever independently [03:22] I don't think "package removed but not purged" counts as user error [03:22] I can't purge evms - dpkg complains about not being able to find install-info and update-rc.d. [03:23] though I'm also not entirely convinced it's release-critical [03:23] Is it compulsory, or can I do it once I've booted. [03:23] ? [03:23] gerv: ok, don't worry about purging it just yet [03:23] OK. === gerv changes root= lines and reboots [03:23] cjwatson: You can say in the bug that I'm available to help with any further debugging I can do. [03:24] done [03:24] I reassigned the bug to grub [03:24] It doesn't boot, but that's because I've just realised I removed evms but didn't change hda1 to sda1. === gerv goes through process again [03:24] note /dev/sda1 not /dev/evms/sda1 [03:25] the evms is a bogus remnant of slightly-dodgy UUID detection [03:25] Is a bogus remnant anything like a not-carefully-reading scott james remnant? [03:25] cjwatson: Right, I have a slightly dodgy fix for the other open twiki bug, I will only restart apache* if apachectl is executable [03:26] :-) [03:26] I suspect Scott was frantically trying to get through triaging about a million boot bugs before release [03:26] Sure. [03:27] No blame, just amusement :-) [03:27] I'm sure he's a busy guy. === gerv has seen a little of his frustration in some comments [03:27] gerv: Oh my God, can we keep you? [03:27] A bug happens and you show amusement, not blame or frustration. === gerv would be much more upset if his laptop was his only machine === gerv is very glad he tried it there first [03:28] cjwatson: I seem to recall evms being installed on my bosses Feisty machine ... [03:29] I also recall having to take it out the back and neuter it. [03:29] indeed, if he upgraded from dapper or before === gerv waits for his root filesystem to do the "30-mount fsck" [03:29] No, fresh install, which is what worries me [03:29] In fact, 32-mount. [03:29] StevenK: no code that'd do that to my knowledge [03:29] Thanks everyone! [03:29] gerv: thanks for the help tracking it down [03:29] Gotta run now, but will clean everything up and get it working properly later. [03:29] No problem. [03:30] Thanks for being the guy with a clue :-) [03:30] Hrm. I suspect it's been reinstalled since. [03:30] Pity. [03:30] I'm not certain we can do anything about it for feisty, but can certainly look at it for the LTS-to-LTS upgrade problem that we need to sit down and solve at some point === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Conflicts: are fun. Although it smacks of 'killing a fly with a 30-pound sledgehammer' [03:31] cjwatson: My problem or his? [03:31] gerv: yours === gerv sincerely hopes it's possible to do something about machines becoming unbootable before Feisty is released. [03:31] I'd like to, but it's just so close to RC and with public holidays ... I did set the milestone though [03:31] I upgraded using the applet thingy. [03:32] and bumped priority [03:32] If this happens to a significant number of people, this could be Really Bad(TM). [03:32] so it is on the list, if it can be crammed in [03:32] OK. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] I'll wait and see what happens :-) === gerv really goes now [03:34] right answer might be to try to transition stuff of the form /dev/evms/hda1 to UUID but not /dev/evms/ > [03:34] it's a slightly thorny problem - really a case of working around edgy's bugs === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] but edgy's bugs have become relevant now that /dev/hda => /dev/sda for you [03:35] cjwatson: I wonder if sd* get sucked into that as well, such as /dev/evms/[sh] d* [03:35] I'd be surprised if they didn't - but we can't guarantee exactly how the hd* -> sd* transition will work from userspace, hence UUIDs === StevenK nods. === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] ok, I have a very tentative patch for that === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] cjwatson: Do you want to see a debdiff for this twiki bug fix? [03:54] StevenK: sure [03:55] cjwatson: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/twiki.debdiff [03:56] StevenK: it's /usr/sbin/apachectl, not /usr/bin/apachectl [03:56] DOH! === StevenK finds a rock to hide under. [03:56] doesn't apache2 need to be restarted? [03:56] in which case you should check apache2|apache2-*) if [ -x /usr/sbin/apache2ctl ] ; then continue; fi ;; or whatever [03:57] Okay, I'll also check for apache2ctl [03:57] I'd use grep -q -- -b [03:58] though dunno, maybe -e is more portable after all, I just don't trust it to terminate options [03:58] looks ok otherwise [03:59] in my own packages I often prefer to stick a trivial portable-shell version of which(1) at the top of the script and use it as a function rather than hardcoding paths [03:59] but YMMV [03:59] cjwatson: I've never had any problems with grep -e [03:59] cjwatson: That part of the patch strikes me as really dirty. I blame mini-httpd [04:00] /usr/bin/which is more or less my code aside from some crackful and wrong option parsing that somebody stuck in there, so I use a reduced version of that [04:01] you can see it e.g. in base-passwd.postinst [04:02] cjwatson: debdiff updated. [04:04] yup, looks fine [04:05] argh, which -a was added due to Dan Jacobson === cjwatson sighs [04:06] as I wrote it, which intentionally had no option parsing whatsoever in order that you could safely use it on any string without having to care about escaping [04:06] though I suppose at least you can now put -- in front === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.7.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae is now known as Ghost_Buster [04:13] cjwatson: twiki uploaded. Thanks for your help. [04:18] cjwatson: I would like to do an update of devscripts. I need a sponsor and I need your approval (since it's main), the debdiff is at http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/devscripts_2.9.27ubuntu13.debdiff [04:20] cjwatson: currently requestsync doesn't work because of "distros/ubuntu": example: "Failing command: affects distros/ubuntu/mantis" "There is no project named 'distros' registered in Launchpad." === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@22-133.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d8962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ghost_Buster is now known as SMS_Buster [04:29] uh oh, Gaim is now Pidgin. === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@87.18.18.79] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] Adri2000: I would change 'tla | bazaar' to 'bzr | tla | bazaar' rather than 'tla | bzr' - there's code in devscripts that legitimately does use baz [04:34] Adri2000: aside from that your changes are fine, but please find another sponsor as I'm trying not to spend too much time on work today === SMS_Buster is now known as illovae [04:36] ok, thanks === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] debdiff updated, if any core-dev is available: please upload it === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@35-63.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-234-220.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@5-208.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tan_ [n=chatzill@fctnnbsc16w-156034211029.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] Hi, does anyone know who I could contact regarding the google SoC? === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tan_ is now known as ctan === ctan [n=chatzill@fctnnbsc16w-156034211029.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-214-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dotwaffle [n=dotwaffl@pdpc/supporter/student/dotwaffle] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] Anyone seen Keybuk recently? [05:38] re: Upstart. [05:39] he's on holidays for a copule of days, iirc. [05:39] he was in our London office Tue-Thu, and is now on holiday until next Tue [05:39] (UK public holidays) [05:40] Ah, ok, no worries. Demoscener here was interested in chatting to him re: getting CPU intensive/Low IO load graphical startup. Will chat to him when he return ;0 [05:40] Thanks. [05:40] Back to the demoparty ;) www.demoscene.tv if people care... === dotwaffle [n=dotwaffl@pdpc/supporter/student/dotwaffle] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-172-42-253.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.60.99.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon14218.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.60.99.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [06:34] cjwatson: I've now booted successfully, and run update-grub, which stuck UUIDs into my menu.lst, and now it boots on its own fine. [06:34] Thanks :-) [06:36] ah yes, update-grub would have done that once you put /dev/sda1 there [06:36] great, thanks, trying to set up an environment such that I can test my possible fix now === gerv presumes mangling your menu.lst will do the trick? [06:37] probably, but I'd rather have a genuine dapper->edgy system to work with [06:37] Ah. But that might take some time :-) [06:37] "About 1 hours 18 minutes remaining" [06:37] Is there free software that does virtual machines and disk imaging and rollback and so on? [06:37] that's ok, the computer will do it while I do something more interesting === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:38] gerv: I'm afraid I'm still using VMware, but I keep hearing good things about VirtualBox === shackan [n=shackan@host175-88-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === masterar2ro [n=masterar@83.238.70.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d8962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.60.99.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BED3AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@ip-81-1-98-32.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpytasz [n=dduck@staticline824.toya.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] VirtualBox works good for me using windows guests [07:14] Wouldnt work with openbsd guest [07:14] And couldn't install virtualbox-tools on a suse 9 guest [07:18] sharms: I've got VB to kernel-panic my host on several occasions.... [07:19] especially when running certain apps within the VM [07:30] cjwatson, Virtual box has worked wonderfully on all ubuntu guests i've tried === _Otaku [n=takou@dyn-91-165-85-23.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@62.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-89-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Otaku [n=takou@dyn-91-165-85-23.ppp.tiscali.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["++"] === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.151.108] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tdn [n=tdn@zeus.sikkerhed.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dpm [n=dpm@p54a10232.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] tepsipakki: does your savage segfault at logout? bug #104188 [08:16] Malone bug 104188 in xorg-server "[apport] Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy() on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104188 [08:19] bhale: has the beagle log verbosity thing been decreased yet? [08:20] bhale: it seems to produce like 5MB of logs per day for me still... [08:20] and like a big 700MB log on the initial index [08:20] jdong: no, it hasnt [08:20] we are in hard freeze [08:20] is that still planned for release? [08:20] it would be nice [08:20] yeah, definitely it'd be nice [08:21] i will ask tollef if i see him [08:21] awesome, thanks bhale [08:22] np === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] anyone else on the newest update get multiple usplash progress bars? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bugnthecode [n=wsmith@adsl-75-45-107-13.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] hello === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-24.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@chello080109002146.13.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Saied [n=Saied@80.71.121.72] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] hi all, i have problem with pngtobogl command [10:06] the content of C source output file is "too many colors (256)" [10:06] what can i do to solve this problem? [10:06] reduce the number of colours? === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] Mithrandir: how many colors? === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] 16 [10:08] iirc [10:08] Mithrandir: i examined with 128 colors but problem exists [10:08] yes, bogl only supports 16 colours. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] Mithrandir: 16 colors? i think default kubuntu or ubuntu usplash-theme has more than 16 colors? are you sure? [10:10] I don't believe it has, no. [10:11] Mithrandir: i use it for usplash customization according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto [10:12] Mithrandir: is there a link to kubuntu or ubuntu usplash images to find out number of colors? [10:13] apt-get source usplash-theme-ubuntu ? [10:13] Mithrandir, bogl supports more than 16 colors [10:14] Mithrandir, vga16fb (one of the bogl backends) does not [10:14] Mithrandir: in that customization tutorial you can see "The image you use should have max. 256 colors" [10:14] but the backend used on ppc (the only platform where usplash uses bogl now) supports more [10:14] Saied, you should still include a 640x400x16 theme as fallback [10:15] Seveas: but i have "too many colors (256)" error. without any output [10:15] Saied, which versio of ubuntu are you using? Dapper? [10:16] Seveas: feisty [10:16] Saied, are you using pngtobogl? [10:16] Seveas: yes [10:16] then you are reading the wrong tutorial [10:17] and since this has nothing to do with ubuntu development, come to #ubuntu-offtopic :) [10:17] Seveas: which tutorial is correct? please guide me [10:18] Saied: he just guided you to ubuntu-offtopic, go there. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@23-25.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike1980 [n=mike1980@CPE00131066190a-CM000f9f7eea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike1980 [n=mike1980@CPE00131066190a-CM000f9f7eea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d8962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe_gerrath [n=Gerrath@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host86-147-89-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WhiteFly [n=user@host32-69-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] someone can tell how can i localize my custom app? 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