=== DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] ScottK: not yet, somebody (dholbach I think) mentioned it on the ubuntu-motu list [12:13] ScottK: please respond to that email if you're interested [12:16] oh geeze === LaserJock reads scrollback === show_now_on [n=show_now@pool-71-124-226-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:19] @lart LaserJock for saying steps 1 through 4 (1 being motu-mentor list) were in place [12:19] ... [12:19] o yeah, not on this chan... === mjunx [n=matt@c-24-13-41-204.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] micahcowan: oops [12:20] :) [12:21] man, I make a quick Taco Bell run and the whole channel goes to heck ;-) [12:22] you should know better ;) === show_now_on [n=show_now@pool-71-124-226-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] LaserJock thank you for before (giving me the command)...i deleted the one line and now @ least my update list populates [12:25] thanx a bunch === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] show_now_on: no problem === show_now_on [n=show_now@pool-71-124-226-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-123-88.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] what is the command to show which package a file belongs to? [12:51] sharms: dpkg -S file [12:51] LaserJock: I responded to the e-mail. [12:52] Flannel: thanks [12:53] dpkg -S [12:57] ScottK: thanks === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jan [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] hmph. [01:27] people keep screaming for deluge-torrent 0.5 [01:27] crimsun: well it is a big step up from 0.4 [01:27] crimsun: the version in our repos has a bug where multifile torrents will get trashed in some circumstances [01:27] is there a backportable fix? [01:28] --> In short, Deluge isn't really done yet, and it's still in rapid development, which is why I'd almost rather it not be in the repository at all, sadly. I just don't want users to look at whatever version winds up packaged in the repositories and think that it's "done." [01:28] crimsun: the developer decided to just fix it in the next release [01:28] which is a full rewrite basically [01:28] tell me why -uvf should even consider deluge-torrent 0.5 if the upstream dev states the above unequivocally. [01:29] heh... I think he was just frustrated and not wording things rationally [01:29] sounds pretty rational to me. [01:29] I think his main point was that the current version has a major data loss bug [01:29] and he would like to use it as a reason to push a new version in [01:29] to be fair he was originally aiming it to be out before UVF happened [01:30] but he fell short [01:30] err, then we do the sane thing, which is request that the binaries be removed from the archive. [01:30] if we can't do that, then we ask for a full source+binary removal. [01:31] true [01:31] well I'm not one way or the other on this [01:32] unpopular, yes, but we need to weigh the fact that even if motu-uvf approves it and MOTU uploads, we're fewer than FOURTEEN days from release. Archive admins are already swamped. Clearly fixing milestones for -7.04 are higher priority. [01:32] crimsun: agreed, it is way too soon to release to be putting in a new release that's a _rewrite_ [01:32] crimsun: I don't think it's the end of the world if it's handled as a feisty-backports [01:32] precisely. Besides, feisty+1 will be open $soon [01:34] sounds like a good plan [01:34] and I'll try to make him happier about the decision too :) [01:34] IIRC he filed the UVF around the same time we were battling xgl, no? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] crimsun: had someone even made a package for it? [01:39] I looked at the bug & it seemed rather stalled [01:40] ajmitch: yeah, he has packages for it [01:41] I'm fine with it going in, but I have stated publicly in that bug report (90749) what my opinion is. [01:41] yes, I see that now [01:44] apparantly there are already a number of problems with 0.5, just not as bad as 0.4 [01:44] ajmitch: yeah, that sounds like Deluge :) === jml [n=jml@58.165.241.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] users will complain, but oh well [01:46] that's what developers are here for, to get beaten up by users [01:46] hi jml === Fujitsu wonders why anything attempting to use ALSA on this system now hangs. [01:54] fresh boot or resume from suspend-to-* ? [01:54] It hasn't been rebooted in a couple of days, but it hasn't been suspended. [01:55] what's holding /dev/dsp*, /dev/audio*, /dev/mixer*, or /dev/snd/* open? [01:56] (or /dev/sequencer* ) [01:56] lsof doesn't show anything. [01:56] what about in dmesg? [01:56] codec warnings, errors, etc. [01:57] I can't see anything particularly special in there. [01:57] Fujitsu: last time I had that happen, the chipset fan on the motherboard had stopped :) [01:58] Nice, ajmitch. [01:58] err, my terminal just disappeared [01:58] OSS works fine, oddly. [01:58] hmm, seems like an IPC issue, then [01:58] semget(5678293, 1, IPC_CREAT|0660) = 6258690 [01:58] semctl(6258690, 0, IPC_64|IPC_STAT, 0xbfa69dc8) = 0 [01:58] semctl(6258690, 0, IPC_64|IPC_SET, 0xbfa69dc8) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) [01:58] semop(6258690, 0xbfa69e9e, 2 [01:59] does `aplay -Dplug:hw0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' work? [01:59] Same thing for the various things I've tried to play with. [01:59] that's special === ajmitch wonders why X with feisty works in vmware but not etch [01:59] ajmitch: hi [02:00] hw0 doesn't work, says `Unknown PCM'. Just hw works fine. === micahcowan [n=micahcow@adsl-76-195-161-184.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] oh, right, it would have been -Dplughw:0 [02:02] ok, yeah, IPC issue with dmix [02:02] there a bug report on this, gotta find it [02:02] Thanks. [02:03] It does this sometimes after not being rebooted for a few days. A little irritating. === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] you can work around with sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [02:07] That may not work, due to lsmod's ordering. [02:10] modprobe complains about an unmatched bracket in `snd_hda_intel'... I don't see any brackets there. === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wsjunior [n=wsjunior@unaffiliated/wsjunior] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] pastebin the command and output, please [02:14] It's three lines... Should I still pastebin it? [02:14] please [02:14] OK. [02:15] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14324/ [02:15] ***Blatant attempt to draw attention to my spec*** https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash [02:16] I removed and reloaded all the modules manually, but it still hangs. [02:18] what the [02:18] something a lot more nefarious is occurring [02:20] Looks that way. [02:21] pastebin /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/* contents? [02:24] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14325/ === jimpop [n=jimpop@70-46-61-104.atl.fdn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] Fujitsu: vanilla i386 install (not amd64)? [02:33] i386 it is. [02:39] sharms: I don't think you want colour=always in GREP_OPTIONS. [02:39] sharms: Are you familiar with the difference between "auto" and "always" in that context? === shawarma is also known as "Delayed Reaction Man" === wick2o [n=wick2o@72.25.59.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] evening [02:41] Hi wick2o [02:41] hows it going Fujitsu? [02:41] Fine, wick2o. And you? [02:42] doin already, tring to solve a problem in my postinit script [02:42] other then that im ok i guess [02:43] im tring to do a dpkg -i filename.deb and still use db_get === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] Fujitsu: please add ``cat /proc/sys/kernel/shm*'' [02:52] crimsun: Done. [02:52] w/in 32 [02:52] doh.. [02:53] can you not use db_get in a postinst script when you use dpkg -i? [02:55] hmm, I've never heard of db_get === rmjb [n=ubuntu@cuscon28043.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] Hello room [02:56] can someone build a x86_64 version of a package for me? I want to give it to a user for testing and I can only build i386 [02:56] really? [02:56] rmjb: Yup? [02:56] thats how you get those nice popups for information when you say apt-get ddclient [02:57] or anything else that asks you for input when you "configure" durning an apt-get install [02:57] oh debconf? [02:57] ya [02:57] ah yeah, I know what you mean now [02:57] im tring to install the deb manually with dpkg -i yet still get those prompts [02:57] I think it works with dpkg -i [02:57] rmjb: Point me to the source and where you'd like the finished package. [02:58] umm, then my deb must be messed up, because it installs fine, but doesnt give me the prompts [02:58] Yay! My banshee imports wavpack now :) [02:58] wick2o: Which priority have you set for your questions? [02:58] wick2o: you might need to play with the priority/interface for debconf [02:59] umm I dont thing i have ANY priority set [03:00] i dont really know what im doing, i just did an apt-get source ddclient and used source from their postinit script and tweaked it a bit to fit my needs....i may have very well missed something === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] Fujitsu: ok, what I would do is use ipcrm(8) to remove the offending key/segment (see ipcs(8) -m) === Fujitsu was horrified to see a post by LaserJock in the NM forum thread, and the replies following it. [03:01] crimsun: I've got nooo idea what I'm doing here, but I'll have a look=. [03:01] Fujitsu: the shorter method is simply to reboot, but I'm sure you've been using that already [03:02] Fujitsu: yes, yes. I'm in 2 threads on it [03:02] wick2o: Well, there's also something about debconf not asking questions again if it's already got an answer (ie. you've already answered it). [03:02] `Not especially funny to most of the responders in this thread. Given the standard Ubuntu approach to development packages (if it compiles, throw it in the main repository and let everyone suffer), you're definitely damned, especially since many developers intentionally exclude themselves from community input such as this forum. No one has apparently heard of the concept of at least limited testing before release.' [03:02] The standard Ubuntu approach to development? What the? [03:02] wick2o: I don't remember it all to well. It's been over a year since I've used it last. [03:03] Fujitsu: Where's that from? [03:03] shawarma: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=393039&page=10 [03:03] shawarma, i think that only holds true if you dont do a purge when you uninstall [03:04] crimsun: What am I looking for in that list? [03:04] Fujitsu: key matching dmix shared memory segment [03:05] wick2o: Well, if the postrm script removes stuff from debconf, then yes. debhelper might put stuff in for that. [03:05] Fujitsu: if you haven't modified it, grep [03:05] err [03:05] crimsun: How do I identify which that is? [03:05] umm my postrm doesnt do anything currently [03:05] Fujitsu: if you haven't modified it, grep -nH ipc /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf [03:06] ipc_key in particular [03:06] shawarma, is there a way to manually remove or check for these answers? [03:06] Fujitsu: stracing an alsa app will also help pinpoint where it's failing on the shm segment [03:07] Only 4 of the items in the list returned by ipcs have a non-zero key, and none of them are that mentioned in alsa.conf :S === rmjb [n=ubuntu@cuscon28043.tstt.net.tt] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:09] OK, so it seems mpd had the semaphore that everything was hanging on. I removed it and all is good. [03:10] wick2o: It's all stored in /var/cache/debconfig/config.dat, but unless you're quite sure what you're doing, I wouldn't mass too much with it by hand. [03:10] shawarma, apt-get -y --purge item did the trick as far as clearning debconf [03:11] however that doesnt help at all with my package [03:11] ( i did a test with ddclient) [03:11] shawarma: whats the downside to my grep option [03:12] shawarma: ah I want auto there === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon28043.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] there has to be some debconf settings somewhere else in a standard deb that i have forgotten [03:14] sharms: Thought so. :-) [03:14] I really want to get some of these in feisty + 1 [03:14] gonna make a launchpad spec === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj [n=chatzill@nc-71-50-159-222.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] Heya gang [03:25] Hey bddebian [03:25] Hi RAOF [03:26] hey bddebian, long time no see [03:26] Hello rmjb [03:27] rmjb: You've got mail :) [03:28] RAOF: thank you kindly [03:28] I presume you don't want the build-logs? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] nah, I think this builds fine... will inspect with fileroller [03:33] shawarma, i found my whole problem [03:33] if any "admins" are around http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html [03:33] this link might be useful to add to your "!" === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon12954.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] Is it supposed to be a Hug day? [03:44] bddebian: you can hug my spec any day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] sharms: I don't do specs, I'm just a schlub :-( [03:46] bddebian: I could also use more people doing propaganda work for it :) [03:46] such as when someone says a question, work my spec address into the answer [03:47] ugh [03:47] heh, sounds "dirty" ;-P [03:47] Heya ajmitch === ajmitch hates it when people spam specs like that [03:48] ajmitch, nobody can spam a spec like me [03:48] I like it. Makes my supar-AI's spec-ignorer work overtime! [03:48] it makes me want to ignore that spec [03:48] to be fair, I made it almost 6 months ago and it has been totally ignored === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === madc [n=d@adsl-6-126-165.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] ajmitch: did you hug that spec? did you look at it? huh huh did you? ;p === nixternal hides from ajmitch and sharms [04:24] in debconf id like to use a db_get netcfg/get_ipaddress and use that value as a default for questions in my custom deb === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] or can you only set defaults in your templates file? [04:26] nixternal: my spec-autoignorer hugged it. Hugged it right into /dev/null. [04:26] haha === Fujitsu dives into /dev/null after it. === Fujitsu is thus disintegrated. [04:27] crimsun: have you heard anything about some random weirdness with intel hda? (ICH7 or whatever), where the PCM vol will turn down low to where you can't hear sound all that well? it is random [04:28] rich, the correct question to ask is "Have you heard of any situation where sound works correctly?" === macd [n=d@adsl-6-126-165.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] HDA sounds like a lot of fun to work with. [04:28] heh [04:28] basically, if it's sound and I've heard of it, it's because it's broken. :-) [04:29] crimsun: it works fine, but there was something either a website with flash like youtube, that would just mute sound by dropping the pcm [04:29] I think it was YouTube and flash doing it maybe [04:29] because it hasn't happened in a couple of days now that I think about it [04:29] that's Flash's fault [04:30] entirely beyond the prerogative of alsa-{lib,driver} [04:30] Flash 9 attempts to open every single subdevice on every enumerated alsa device. [04:30] it makes for FUN TIMES. [04:31] (it also makes rejecting flashplugin-nonfree bugs a lot easier, but that's another matter altogether.) [04:31] ahhh, so it is definitely flash then, I am glad I remembered that [04:31] ya, I couldn't think of anything else that was causing the issue [04:31] hopefully we'll have the "one mixer interface to rule them all" completed for feisty+1 [04:32] crimsun: might that explain why certain usb audio devices work with everything put flash? [04:32] rock on! [04:32] umm [04:32] Burgundavia: usb audio devices have their own sets of quirks (no pun intended, as quirks are technically hard-coded into the source code) [04:33] crimsun: indeed. We are busy ripping our hair out at Userful over several devices that customers bought in quantity [04:35] usb has quirks period :) [04:36] I love how just about every usb audio device requires a quirk entry [04:36] what, a usb audio 1.x spec? It was obviously made to be ignored! [04:36] Just like HDA... [04:37] anyhow, back to your regularly scheduled Ubuntu universe bug list... === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-214-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] crimsun: want to work on Fedora? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] second thought, scratch that [04:41] *I* don't want to work on Fedora. I shouldn't drag other people into my misery === Hobbsee waves === RAOF_ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] hey Hobbsee [04:51] Burgundavia: what do you have to do with Fedora? [04:51] nixternal: Userful's product is built on it [04:51] word on the streets is that the KDE implementation for Fedora 7 is going to be rockin' [04:51] fedora truthfully isn't all that bad, I am just not a fan of rpm [04:53] there are some proactive security things in Ubuntu that make me happy [04:53] plus sudo is already setup and our security support timeframe is well defined [04:53] "4. Wear ANSI approved safety goggles when using this device" [04:53] umm...... [04:53] A fluke voltmeter?? === jdong wonders what america has gotten to.... [04:54] might blow up [04:54] yeah :) [04:54] or the probes might attack you like head crabs [04:54] nixternal: the reality is that the Fedora people are trying to recreate Ubuntu's community, however RedHat has more engineers [04:55] that is true [04:55] debconf, is there a way to do dynamic defaults? [04:56] nixternal: the security policy of Fedora is what sets Ubuntu apart in a production environment === micahcowan [n=micahcow@adsl-76-211-245-35.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] hello Burgundavia [05:06] hey ajmitch [05:07] hello ajmitch Burgundavia :) [05:07] hey joejaxx === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-034-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@131-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] hiya Burgundavia and ajmitch [05:13] what's up? [05:13] Anyone feel like some debdiff sponsoring? bug #103722 fixes a bunch of specto bugs. [05:13] Malone bug 103722 in specto "specto crashes when monitoring file changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103722 [05:13] I still need to finish reading that backlog [05:13] the "MOTU suXors" discussion ;-) [05:14] heh [05:14] There was an MOTU suX0rs discussion? [05:14] yes [05:15] ah well, not that exciting after all [05:15] Where was this? [05:15] here [05:15] it fizzled out, thankfully [05:16] Of course I do suck but that's besides the point :) [05:16] too much "yeah huh" ... "nuh uh" ... "yeah huh" [05:18] anyone have a clue on what updates recently would have broken palm pilot syncing? [05:19] people still use those things? :) [05:19] I like to mess with them every now and then [05:20] I want one [05:20] I keep missing appointments and things [05:20] although, as crimsun already has pointed out, if I can't figure out how to use my watch/computer/stickynotes then why would a palm pilot help === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] hehe [05:21] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14332/ [05:21] tell me that isn't scary [05:21] wtf === Hobbsee wonders what was said in that discussion [05:22] oh, somebody in #ubuntu said that devs didn't seem to be able to meet deadlines for Feisty [05:22] ah, fair enough [05:22] that it's still got too many bugs, etc. [05:22] meh. most of the wifi bugs are pebkac, so... [05:22] and when the person was told, "well then help out" [05:22] heh [05:22] LaserJock: well, that much is true. OTOH, that's the nature of software. [05:23] they pointed out that they had put stuff on REVU and it never got reviewed [05:23] I have to admit it has seemed like a strange cycle this time for some reason. Of course my work/home life hasn't helped in that :-( [05:23] we've gotten a fair few new people, merges were slow, and all the beryl crap whihc took a couple of weeks out of devleopment time [05:24] but core dev's had the same problem [05:24] well, there's always issues [05:24] true [05:24] community expectations of Ubuntu will continue to be exaggerated [05:24] oh of course === Hobbsee was merely comparing this cycle to say...edgy [05:25] although that doesn't me we can't learn from criticism and try to do better [05:25] LaserJock: that's a foregone conclusion [05:25] REVU seem not very optimal for consistent reviewing [05:25] Yeah, it seemed like edgy was smoother for some reason [05:25] bddebian: we had crimsun to keep everything together ;-) [05:25] LaserJock: Well it helps when/if we had more reviewers too :-) [05:25] LaserJock: atm i'm playing with better use of the MOTU page... === Hobbsee will send to the ML soonish, once she hsa more concrete ideas [05:26] Hobbsee: the wiki page? [05:26] yes [05:26] the fact of the matter is that we simply do not scale, and we will not scale, and people will proceed as if we indeed scale. [05:26] crimsun: very true. [05:26] crimsun: true dat [05:26] crimsun: and we're nto so great on training up new people, without the MOTU school [05:26] so we have to work out how to scale better, without collapsing [05:26] so we need to find a model that does scale [05:26] Hobbsee: you should run a school session then [05:26] and people either dont have the resources or the will to get better [05:27] I haven't quite figured it out yet [05:27] I thought more team usage would help [05:27] dude, the -14 kernel just ate my grub menu.lst [05:27] that isn't good man [05:27] tasty menu.lst [05:27] nixternal: it ran across your Vista partition and barfed. [05:27] if I reboot, I am done [05:28] seems to be a problem of people getting to developing stuff at all, really [05:28] nixternal: update-grub? [05:28] yup [05:28] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14332/ [05:28] theCore: ^^ [05:28] please tell me there is an easy fix [05:28] theCore: hi [05:28] it looks like it turned everything into ascii code [05:28] theCore: I was sad to see the thread about emacs-snapshot being removed [05:28] that's special [05:29] ok, so we have specs. One way of drawing more people into the fray is to respond more quickly to these specs and to action them. [05:29] LaserJock: yeah, I was too [05:29] theCore: although I saw he's still going to maintain it in a 3rd party repo [05:29] OTOH, the people who are actively writing specs are already technically inclined, so are they really "our" target? [05:29] nixternal: there's probably a lone [ somewhere in your menu.lst === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] well there are a bunch of them now, and why all of a sudden it would happen [05:30] LaserJock: really? do you got the URL to it? [05:30] We don't the the "staff" to handle bugs, merges, and new packages, how are we supposed handle additional "stuff"? [05:30] 1;31m# altoptions0m=(recovery mode) single === mohammad [n=mohammad@CPE001346f4a717-CM0011aea585d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] bddebian: TBH, I haven't "tapped" the forum. [05:30] looks like it started right there with the corruption [05:30] can we pull the more technically inclined forum posters into our fray? === RAOF would be one of those. === bddebian is frightened :-) === Hobbsee thinsk the forums people tend to jump to irc anyway [05:31] but there would be some that dont, yes. [05:31] theCore: http://emacs.orebokech.com/ [05:32] thanks LaserJock [05:32] pull me into the frey, give me a mentor and let me flap my wings [05:32] or gums, whatever comes first ;p [05:32] I may well be misled, but I think that the vast majority of forum posters aren't involved in Ubuntu universe maintenance. [05:32] Hello, I have uploaded package zekr to revu but after 1 hour it does not show up at http://revu.tauware.de/ yet [05:32] crimsun: that'd be accurate [05:32] mohammad: have you added yourself to the link in the /topic? [05:32] Yes he's uploaded it before iirc [05:33] ah === ajmitch checks the cron logs [05:33] mohammad: using a new key? [05:33] yes [05:34] a new key [05:34] ahh [05:34] figures.. === ajmitch resyncs [05:35] well, I'm sure it wouldn't go over very well, but I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of moratorium on NEW packages for a release === nixternal reboots, wish me luck [05:36] ajmitch I used my previous email but with a new key [05:36] LaserJock: you mean sticking to a freeze? [05:36] mohammad: your new key is on launchpad, right? [05:36] ajmitch: saying, "we aren't doing any REVU for Feisty+1", essentially [05:37] LaserJock: ah, then I'd have to upload new packages anyway :) [05:37] yes I have added it to lunchpad around 3 hours ago [05:37] ajmitch: yeah, it'd be hard to control as there are new packages needed for specs, etc. [05:37] oh I am scared, this is what I get for upgrading the kernel right before my presentation tomorrow [05:37] son of a ....Error 15: File not found [05:38] is hard/long to fix these: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html? [05:38] theCore: depends [05:38] I got a long weekend, I might be able to help out [05:38] check for outstanding sync requests before you touch a package [05:39] plenty of them were just UVF exceptions+sync requests [05:39] I just need to figure out what to do exactly [05:39] fix bugs :) [05:40] the list is just a version comparison, using the set of packages in debian that have closed RC bugs [05:40] Hell, just triage bugs. I see we still have close to 5000 unconfirmed bugs alone :'-( [05:40] so generally we either want the fix from debian, or the equivalent [05:40] theCore: well that kernel upgrade killed my machine [05:41] bddebian: doesn't it give you that warm & fuzzy feeling? [05:41] nixternal: ouch... [05:41] if I upload it again I get this error: [05:41] rejected by the upload queue management software. [05:41] Uploading via ftp zekr_0.5.0-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of zekr_0.5.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [05:41] Note: This problem might be caused by files already existent on the server. [05:41] For the official Debian upload queues, the dcut(1) utility can be used [05:41] to remove stale files from unsuccessful uploads. [05:41] mohammad: be patient, please [05:41] ajmitch: No :-( [05:41] ya, I have to give an Ubuntu presentation in 8 hours [05:41] ok sorry [05:41] nixternal: can I see your grub/menu.lst [05:41] the keyring sync is still going [05:41] nixternal: either rescue from an alternate cd, or chroot from a desktop cd [05:42] I would love to show it off, but it is dead right now, I am going to chroot in and take a look [05:42] nixternal: have fun... [05:42] I have never had luck with the rescue from an alternate cd [05:42] but then again I haven't tried that in a while [05:43] nixternal: tip: mount your Ubuntu partition on /mnt, bind /dev and /sys to /mnt/{dev,sys}, and then chroot /mnt [05:44] I am trying the rescue first [05:44] see if that fixes it [05:45] nixternal: you could also just edit the grub menu item ;-) [05:45] LaserJock: too easy [05:45] remember, rich loves Vista. pointy n' clicky! [05:45] :-) [05:45] haha [05:45] heh [05:45] damnit, I am buying it tomorrow! [05:45] well, it does have tab-complete [05:46] Vista is way better than GNOME any day! === LaserJock kicks nixternal [05:46]