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| nixternal | you guys see that Linux Mint has a KDE release now | 04:36 |
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| nixternal | and not the sanest selection of default apps | 04:37 |
| nixternal | KOffice 1.6.2 replaces OO.o, default browser FF, using KPowersave (which is pretty decent) | 04:37 |
| nixternal | 802mb dvd iso | 04:38 |
| nixternal | why don't they just span across 2 cds, no they make me waste gigs of an expensive dvd disc :/ | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | wow | 04:38 |
| nixternal | that was probably one of the worst engineering flops I have witnessed I think | 04:42 |
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| robotgeek | damn, looks like i have become too stupid. i can't get the upgrade manager to launch, even | 06:20 |
| nixternal | heh | 06:21 |
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| DaSkreech | Riddell: ping | 06:21 |
| robotgeek | hello nixternal | 06:21 |
| nixternal | hiya robotgeek! how is life treatin' ya? | 06:21 |
| robotgeek | pretty good. work and school keep me really busy | 06:21 |
| nixternal | I hear you, school has me very busy, and trying to get in my Kubuntu work as well | 06:22 |
| nixternal | and giving more and more open source talks in the chicago area | 06:22 |
| robotgeek | whatever is left is spent on the girl :) | 06:22 |
| nixternal | heh | 06:22 |
| nixternal | in my case, my girl is Kubuntu, unless it is a guy :) | 06:22 |
| robotgeek | lol | 06:22 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:23 |
| nixternal | hell, if Kubuntu was a guy, then I guess I am...well you know | 06:23 |
| crimsun | we already know. You're a Vista user. | 06:23 |
| nixternal | argh | 06:23 |
| nixternal | I can't get away from this guy | 06:23 |
| robotgeek | lol | 06:24 |
| === Hobbsee gives nixternal the boot back to vistaland | ||
| nixternal | every channel, I get the "nixternal, are you really using Vista?" because of crimsun | 06:24 |
| robotgeek | is the package to install update-manager? cause that says gnome | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well, are you? | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: see /topic | 06:24 |
| robotgeek | nixternal: are you really using vista? | 06:24 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I haven't used a Windows product in about 7 years now | 06:24 |
| nixternal | robotgeek: ^^ | 06:25 |
| nixternal | ;p | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: yes, i've been there | 06:25 |
| crimsun | except for yesterday, in which he was using Excel 2007. | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | the update manager wont launch :) | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: so you'd have seen that it was inside adept? | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | or, usually is? | 06:25 |
| DaSkreech | robotgeek: I get that a loot | 06:25 |
| DaSkreech | lot | 06:25 |
| nixternal | I had XP running on my box to use this silly Visual Logic app for one of my classes | 06:25 |
| nixternal | that machine has since been replaced with Kubuntu64 | 06:25 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: that so sounds like a Console | 06:26 |
| nixternal | heh, it does | 06:26 |
| === nixternal hurries and grabs a patent! | ||
| DaSkreech | I already have it on PS3 Muhwahahaha | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: yes, it does not launch automatically as it says it should, i am trying to see if there is some kind of a cli command that can bring it up in that mode. plus, the apt-cache show update-manager says its a gnome app | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | is there a Kubuntu playstation3 iso? | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | page listed on /topic links to update-manager bug page | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | I saw one for Ubuntu | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: kubuntu one's called something else. i think it's a part of adept, actually | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: there may be - i think you run hte /tmp/kubuntu-dist-upgrade * .py to run it | 06:28 |
| robotgeek | adept_updater, maybe. that did not work either :( | 06:28 |
| === robotgeek bites. does manual upgrade. prays | ||
| DaSkreech | robotgeek: You do know that the upgrader is the manual upgrade anyway :-) | 06:50 |
| robotgeek | DaSkreech: i tht it does some funky foo, manual upgrades will crash and burn your system, the page states :) | 06:51 |
| robotgeek | anyways, been doing this since breezy, so not too worried :) | 06:51 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee | 06:51 |
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| DaSkreech | manchicken: ping | 07:39 |
| ScottLij_ | pung | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: pong | 07:40 |
| DaSkreech | Umm | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | right | 07:41 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | How do I get adept_updater to not check | 07:41 |
| DaSkreech | essentially to disable it | 07:41 |
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| giangy | 'morning | 10:21 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: you here? | 11:33 |
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| fdoving | Hobbsee: yes. | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: that unmount thing looks good. you might even want to make ti sleep for 1 second, and then show the 2/3's | 11:39 |
| fdoving | yeah i considered that, but it won't be sitting there for that long in most cases. | 11:39 |
| fdoving | it's more a quick hack to somehow tell users not to remove the device until it's gone. | 11:40 |
| fdoving | there is no way i can think of to get the real status, i can of course make it show pseudo progress. | 11:41 |
| fdoving | though it will be a bigger diff. | 11:41 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: did you try it? | 11:42 |
| Hobbsee | havent yet | 11:44 |
| fdoving | i have a compiled binary at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper | 11:44 |
| fdoving | chmod +x and put it in the path.. or replace with /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper | 11:44 |
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| fdoving | less timeconsuming than to re-build kdebase | 11:45 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 11:45 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: neat | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | still my USB is lit up, though | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: you may want to go from first to second immediately then | 11:51 |
| fdoving | from first to second what? | 11:51 |
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| fdoving | show more progress? | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 11:52 |
| fdoving | tell me what you want and i'll change it. | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | add ++ info->progressBar()->setProgress(2); below ++ info->progressBar()->setProgress(1); | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as it's so fast anyway, you can probably fudge the entire progress bar | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | depending how fast it redraws :P | 11:53 |
| fdoving | it's very very fast. | 11:53 |
| fdoving | i can set it to 60% or something.. from the start. | 11:53 |
| === Hobbsee would just say go 1/3, 2/3, window vanishes | ||
| fdoving | ok. | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | and then it appears to properly go thru - even though it doesnt | 11:54 |
| === Hobbsee likes, though | ||
| fdoving | but then i need timers.. gah. | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | nah, dont bother. just fudge it :P | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as we know it's instant on most machines, all that the 1/3, 2/3 will do will just flash past | 11:55 |
| fdoving | how long do you want it to take from 1/3 to 2/3 ? | 11:55 |
| fdoving | i need to set a fixed time. | 11:55 |
| fdoving | on that. | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | quarter of a second? half a second? | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | 0.25 seconds would be good :P | 11:55 |
| fdoving | 50ms | 11:55 |
| fdoving | ok. | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | that works | 11:55 |
| fdoving | i'll try that. | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | that'll *appear* to make it faster, too | 11:56 |
| Hobbsee | even though it doesnt | 11:56 |
| === Hobbsee tries to figure out how one knows that the unmount has ended, to close the dialogue box | ||
| === Hobbsee doenst know | ||
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| fdoving | Hobbsee: kio_media_mounthelper -s /dev/sdb1 | 11:58 |
| fdoving | where /dev/sdb1 is your removable device. | 11:59 |
| fdoving | the command exits when it's finished. | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | ahhhh | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | very clever :) | 11:59 |
| fdoving | and the dialogbox dies with its parent, which is kio_media_mounthelper | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh, i see :) | 12:00 |
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| fdoving | Hobbsee: what about making it 10 parts increasing 10 percent every 25ms or something? | 12:35 |
| fdoving | then make it stop at 90% in any case.. we don't want it to close before it's all finished. | 12:41 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: that works | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | sounds like a good idea to me :) | 01:08 |
| giangy | yawn | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | hi giangy | 01:08 |
| giangy | hi Hobbsee =) | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:09 |
| giangy | what about having The fourth development snapshot for KDE 4 for Feisty? | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | when's it due? | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | giangy: ^ | 01:12 |
| giangy | Hobbsee: I'm asking this because I'm writing an article about KDE 4 and I want to know (the article will be published in may) if a new snapshot would be available | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | giangy: who are you writing for? | 01:13 |
| giangy | Hobbsee: Linux&C, Italian magazine leader in Linux-related contents | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 01:14 |
| giangy | heh =) | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | giangy: that mostly depends on when kde upstream actually releases the next snapshot of kde4 | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | and iv'e forgotten where the schedule is | 01:14 |
| giangy | Hobbsee: mh, true.. | 01:14 |
| giangy | according to http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/ , an alpha release will be available the 1st of May | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | it appears may 1, then. | 01:16 |
| giangy | okey :-) | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | unless we get the manpower, etc, to do daily kde4 builds | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | well, every tuesday or something, i guess | 01:16 |
| giangy | it sounds interesting :) | 01:17 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: will you be around in ~5 min? i have a new test-case for you if you're available. | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: not in 5 - but i'll be back in 20, id' guess | 01:19 |
| === Hobbsee --> dishes | ||
| fdoving | ok. i'll just give you the url to the binary. | 01:19 |
| fdoving | when it's ready. | 01:19 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper | 01:22 |
| fdoving | with a timer and all. | 01:22 |
| fdoving | chmod +x and replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper | 01:24 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: great, thanks :) | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: now i dont even see it. *g* | 02:01 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: i wonder if you want the total of that to be 1 sec long... | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | (giving you enough time to read what this flashing thing is( | 02:02 |
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| Pupeno_ | Hello. | 02:42 |
| Pupeno_ | I've just installed Feisty and it is failing to open my cryptsetup encrypted FS. I've run a Edgy livecd and the FS is still there, openable and readable. Is this an incompatibility problem? a bug? any ideas? | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | Pupeno_: try #ubuntu+1 | 02:44 |
| Pupeno_ | Hobbsee: thanks. | 02:44 |
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| fdoving | Hobbsee: what about waiting some ms before showing the dialog at all? | 02:54 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: then if it finishes before that minimalDuration the dialog won't show at all. | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: then people dont know it exists, is the only thing | 02:54 |
| fdoving | nothing would be better. | 02:55 |
| fdoving | i'd like to see those who manage to unplug the removable device 100ms after clicking 'safely remove' | 02:56 |
| fdoving | they are in a hurry.. imho. | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: true | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | 100ms is 0.1 seconds, right? | 03:00 |
| fdoving | yes. | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | so not that long anyway | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | true, i get your poitn | 03:00 |
| fdoving | i'll make a binary with that set to 150, for you to try. | 03:00 |
| fdoving | my computer is too slow to actually test this. | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 03:00 |
| toma | why does it give that ugly warning about not being able to eject the thing? it's not a big secret that usb thingies can not be ejected, right? | 03:02 |
| fdoving | toma: does it do that for you? | 03:02 |
| toma | yep | 03:02 |
| fdoving | it should not. | 03:02 |
| fdoving | maybe i changed something. | 03:02 |
| fdoving | hang on. | 03:02 |
| fdoving | it should shutup. | 03:03 |
| fdoving | it's probably kdeeject | 03:03 |
| fdoving | but kio_media_mounthelper is set to run it with the -q flag. | 03:03 |
| fdoving | i don't see that error, though. | 03:04 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper | 03:04 |
| fdoving | with 150ms delay. | 03:04 |
| fdoving | i'll have to run again.. | 03:05 |
| fdoving | bbl. | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 03:05 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt see that | ||
| toma | i used a zaurus for testing, probably something weird with that then. | 03:06 |
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| neutraloss | anyone know how I can get console-setup to stop throwing errors? | 03:39 |
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| fdoving | neutraloss: what errors? | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: still too quick to see. i'd psot that on the ML, and see what people say | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | it's really a critical bug, so i ssupect it might get accepted | 04:31 |
| fdoving | ok. | 04:31 |
| fdoving | i'll have a look at the possibility to make it stay for a second or something whatsoever. | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:33 |
| \sh | happy easter hobbsee | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: you too :) | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: coming to UDS? | 04:36 |
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| \sh | Hobbsee: nope, can't make it to spain...but I will be at linuxtag :) | 04:37 |
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| Hobbsee | \sh: pity | 04:38 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: right now, my GF and I are planning to move to karlsruhe, and the mov+work+linuxtag in berlin is a big load of work | 04:39 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: yepp, I'll try to make to next UD somewhere in this world | 04:39 |
| \sh | hopefully with good news that my company changed from SLES to ubuntu or so ;) | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: fair enough | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 04:39 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: but I promise, you will have fun with the guys at UDS ;) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: heh. hopefully | 04:42 |
| \sh | but where is my GF now? I wonder what she's doing | 04:42 |
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| Hobbsee | \sh: you'll probably make it to one i wont be at | 04:49 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: we will see...if not, I'll have to come down under ;) | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:50 |
| \sh | actually I have to plan a vacation to new zealand to visit my ex | 04:51 |
| \sh | something on my todo list for next year | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:51 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: please test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper | 04:55 |
| fdoving | it's updated again. | 04:55 |
| fdoving | does it stay for 1 sec now? | 04:55 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: still stays there for a very small amount of time. *shrug* | 04:57 |
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| fdoving | Hobbsee: can you fetch it again and test? | 05:24 |
| fdoving | it should wait for a second before quitting now. | 05:33 |
| === Hobbsee will check in the morning | ||
| === Hobbsee is going to bed... | ||
| fdoving | i can increase that time if it's still too little. | 05:33 |
| fdoving | ok. | 05:33 |
| fdoving | nite. | 05:33 |
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| pupeno | Does anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213] | 06:27 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88213 | 06:27 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/downloads.php.diff <- fixes the Kubuntu website download page to start to look somewhat consistant | 07:41 |
| giangy | hi nixternal :) | 07:43 |
| nixternal | hi giangy | 07:43 |
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| mhb | Riddell: looks fine | 08:31 |
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| mhb | Riddell: the translations of "file" and such are now present in langpacks again | 08:32 |
| larsivi | In general, why are package updates held back by apt? the adept update thingy constantly says not updated due to several OOo and linux-header, etc updates | 08:47 |
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| _StefanS_ | evening :) | 08:48 |
| fdoving | larsivi: in general, missing dependencies, and when new pacakges needs to be installed to statisfy depends. | 08:59 |
| larsivi | fdoving: thanks - probably not the answer I looked for :P | 09:03 |
| claydoh | could it be the needed packaeg are not in the servers just yet? | 09:04 |
| fdoving | could be. | 09:04 |
| claydoh | packages rather | 09:04 |
| fdoving | that's what i mean by 'missing dependencies' | 09:04 |
| larsivi | I saw the linux-header packages and such were held back earlier and were installed after a couple of days, but this time they've been around for quite some time | 09:05 |
| fdoving | and there is a difference 'apt-get/aptitude upgrade' vs. 'apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade' - where upgrade will upgrade currently installed pacakges. and dist-upgrade allows to install new packages in addition to upgrading the currently installed packages. this includes installing new dependencies for held packages. | 09:06 |
| larsivi | fdoving: dist-upgrade did the trick, it seems :) | 09:07 |
| fdoving | good :) | 09:07 |
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| Riddell | mhb: hoorah | 10:46 |
| giangy | uhm | 10:52 |
| mhb | Riddell: indeed hooray for you | 10:53 |
| fdoving | Riddell: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 and my proposed solution? | 10:58 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss] umount progress dialog missing" [High,In progress] | 10:58 |
| fdoving | if you trust my precompiled binaries, you can test with http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper - replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper and chmod +x it. | 10:59 |
| fdoving | then safely remove something. | 10:59 |
| mhb | mmm, testing | 11:15 |
| nixternal | how do I do strnicmp with gcc? | 11:18 |
| mhb | fdoving: it works here, but that's probably not exactly the input you wanted | 11:23 |
| fdoving | mhb: all feedback is good feedback. great. what do you think about it? better than nothing? | 11:24 |
| mhb | that is true; somehow I dislike pop-ups in the middle of the screen but it is understandable | 11:25 |
| fdoving | me too, but it's there for a reason. | 11:27 |
| fdoving | i thought about making it it's own switch to kio_media_mounthelper, -k or something, to safely remove. | 11:28 |
| fdoving | that way when we change our safelyremove.desktop to use -k, users that hate the popup can simply switch back to -s (current safely remove switch), and it's back to edgy behavior. | 11:29 |
| fdoving | but, i didn't do that. | 11:29 |
| mhb | fdoving: it's still useful | 11:40 |
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| Riddell | fdoving: it's pretty well too late to include new code in feisty | 11:56 |
| fdoving | ok. too bad. | 11:56 |
| Riddell | fdoving: but we'll look at this at UDS for feisty+1 | 11:57 |
| fdoving | might be able to get an UVF with that fix, as the severity of the bug is High. | 11:58 |
| fdoving | .. and the diff is small. | 11:59 |
| fdoving | i of course mean, SRU. | 12:04 |
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