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[04:36] <nixternal> you guys see that Linux Mint has a KDE release now
[04:37] <nixternal> and not the sanest selection of default apps
[04:37] <nixternal> KOffice 1.6.2 replaces OO.o, default browser FF, using KPowersave (which is pretty decent)
[04:38] <nixternal> 802mb dvd iso
[04:38] <nixternal> why don't they just span across 2 cds, no they make me waste gigs of an expensive dvd disc :/
[04:38] <Hobbsee> wow
[04:42] <nixternal> that was probably one of the worst engineering flops I have witnessed I think
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[06:20] <robotgeek> damn, looks like i have become too stupid. i can't get the upgrade manager to launch, even
[06:21] <nixternal> heh
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[06:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping
[06:21] <robotgeek> hello nixternal
[06:21] <nixternal> hiya robotgeek! how is life treatin' ya?
[06:21] <robotgeek> pretty good. work and school keep me really busy
[06:22] <nixternal> I hear you, school has me very busy, and trying to get in my Kubuntu work as well
[06:22] <nixternal> and giving more and more open source talks in the chicago area
[06:22] <robotgeek> whatever is left is spent on the girl :)
[06:22] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <nixternal> in my case, my girl is Kubuntu, unless it is a guy :)
[06:22] <robotgeek> lol
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:23] <nixternal> hell, if Kubuntu was a guy, then I guess I am...well you know
[06:23] <crimsun> we already know. You're a Vista user.
[06:23] <nixternal> argh
[06:23] <nixternal> I can't get away from this guy
[06:24] <robotgeek> lol
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[06:24] <nixternal> every channel, I get the "nixternal, are you really using Vista?" because of crimsun
[06:24] <robotgeek> is the package to install update-manager? cause that says gnome
[06:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, are you?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: see /topic
[06:24] <robotgeek> nixternal: are you really using vista?
[06:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I haven't used a Windows product in about 7 years now
[06:25] <nixternal> robotgeek: ^^
[06:25] <nixternal> ;p
[06:25] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yes, i've been there
[06:25] <crimsun> except for yesterday, in which he was using Excel 2007.
[06:25] <robotgeek> the update manager wont launch :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: so you'd have seen that it was inside adept?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> or, usually is?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: I get that a loot
[06:25] <DaSkreech> lot
[06:25] <nixternal> I had XP running on my box to use this silly Visual Logic app for one of my classes
[06:25] <nixternal> that machine has since been replaced with Kubuntu64
[06:26] <DaSkreech> nixternal: that so sounds like a Console
[06:26] <nixternal> heh, it does
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[06:27] <DaSkreech> I already have it on PS3 Muhwahahaha
[06:27] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yes, it does not launch automatically as it says it should, i am trying to see if there is some kind of a cli command that can bring it up in that mode. plus, the apt-cache show update-manager says its a gnome app
[06:27] <DaSkreech> is there a Kubuntu playstation3 iso?
[06:27] <robotgeek> page listed on /topic links to update-manager bug page
[06:27] <DaSkreech>  I saw one for Ubuntu
[06:27] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: kubuntu one's called something else.  i think it's a part of adept, actually
[06:28] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: there may be - i think you run hte /tmp/kubuntu-dist-upgrade * .py to run it
[06:28] <robotgeek> adept_updater, maybe. that did not work either :(
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[06:50] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: You do know that the upgrader is the manual upgrade anyway :-)
[06:51] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: i tht it does some funky foo, manual upgrades will crash and burn your system, the page states :)
[06:51] <robotgeek> anyways, been doing this since breezy, so not too worried :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Heehee
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[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ping
[07:40] <ScottLij_> pung
[07:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: pong
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Umm
[07:41] <DaSkreech> right
[07:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:41] <DaSkreech>  How do I get adept_updater to not check
[07:41] <DaSkreech> essentially to disable it
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[10:21] <giangy> 'morning
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[11:33] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you here?
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[11:38] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yes.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that unmount thing looks good.  you might even want to make ti sleep for 1 second, and then show the 2/3's
[11:39] <fdoving> yeah i considered that, but it won't be sitting there for that long in most cases.
[11:40] <fdoving> it's more a quick hack to somehow tell users not to remove the device until it's gone.
[11:41] <fdoving> there is no way i can think of to get the real status, i can of course make it show pseudo progress.
[11:41] <fdoving> though it will be a bigger diff.
[11:42] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did you try it?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> havent yet
[11:44] <fdoving> i have a compiled binary at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[11:44] <fdoving> chmod +x and put it in the path.. or replace with /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper
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[11:45] <fdoving> less timeconsuming than to re-build kdebase
[11:45] <Hobbsee> indeed
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[11:50] <Hobbsee> fdoving: neat
[11:50] <Hobbsee> still my USB is lit up, though
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you may want to go from first to second immediately then
[11:51] <fdoving> from first to second what?
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[11:52] <fdoving> show more progress?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:52] <fdoving> tell me what you want and i'll change it.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> add ++            info->progressBar()->setProgress(2); below ++            info->progressBar()->setProgress(1);
[11:53] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's so fast anyway, you can probably fudge the entire progress bar
[11:53] <Hobbsee> depending how fast it redraws :P
[11:53] <fdoving> it's very very fast.
[11:53] <fdoving> i can set it to 60% or something.. from the start.
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[11:54] <fdoving> ok.
[11:54] <Hobbsee> and then it appears to properly go thru - even though it doesnt
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[11:54] <fdoving> but then i need timers.. gah.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> nah, dont bother.  just fudge it :P
[11:55] <Hobbsee> seeing as we know it's instant on most machines, all that the 1/3, 2/3 will do will just flash past
[11:55] <fdoving> how long do you want it to take from 1/3 to 2/3 ?
[11:55] <fdoving> i need to set a fixed time.
[11:55] <fdoving> on that.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> quarter of a second? half a second?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> 0.25 seconds would be good :P
[11:55] <fdoving> 50ms
[11:55] <fdoving> ok.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> that works
[11:55] <fdoving> i'll try that.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> that'll *appear* to make it faster, too
[11:56] <Hobbsee> even though it doesnt
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[11:58] <fdoving> Hobbsee: kio_media_mounthelper -s /dev/sdb1
[11:59] <fdoving> where /dev/sdb1 is your removable device.
[11:59] <fdoving> the command exits when it's finished.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[11:59] <Hobbsee> very clever :)
[12:00] <fdoving> and the dialogbox dies with its parent, which is kio_media_mounthelper
[12:00] <Hobbsee> ahhh, i see :)
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[12:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what about making it 10 parts increasing 10 percent every 25ms or something?
[12:41] <fdoving> then make it stop at 90% in any case.. we don't want it to close before it's all finished.
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[01:08] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that works
[01:08] <Hobbsee> sounds like a good idea to me :)
[01:08] <giangy> yawn
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
[01:09] <giangy> hi Hobbsee =)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:11] <giangy> what about having The fourth development snapshot for KDE 4 for Feisty?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> when's it due?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> giangy: ^
[01:13] <giangy> Hobbsee: I'm asking this because I'm writing an article about KDE 4 and I want to know (the article will be published in may) if a new snapshot would be available
[01:13] <Hobbsee> giangy: who are you writing for?
[01:13] <giangy> Hobbsee: Linux&C, Italian magazine leader in Linux-related contents
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:14] <giangy> heh =)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> giangy: that mostly depends on when kde upstream actually releases the next snapshot of kde4
[01:14] <Hobbsee> and iv'e forgotten where the schedule is
[01:14] <giangy> Hobbsee: mh, true..
[01:15] <giangy> according to http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/ , an alpha release will be available the 1st of May
[01:16] <Hobbsee> it appears may 1, then.
[01:16] <giangy> okey :-)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> unless we get the manpower, etc, to do daily kde4 builds
[01:16] <Hobbsee> well, every tuesday or something, i guess
[01:17] <giangy> it sounds interesting :)
[01:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: will you be around in ~5 min? i have a new test-case for you if you're available.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not in 5 - but i'll be back in 20, id' guess
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[01:19] <fdoving> ok. i'll just give you the url to the binary.
[01:19] <fdoving> when it's ready.
[01:22] <fdoving> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[01:22] <fdoving> with a timer and all.
[01:24] <fdoving> chmod +x and replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper
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[01:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: great, thanks :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: now i dont even see it.  *g*
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[02:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i wonder if you want the total of that to be 1 sec long...
[02:02] <Hobbsee> (giving you enough time to read what this flashing thing is(
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[02:42] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[02:42] <Pupeno_> I've just installed Feisty and it is failing to open my cryptsetup encrypted FS. I've run a Edgy livecd and the FS is still there, openable and readable. Is this an incompatibility problem? a bug? any ideas?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Pupeno_: try #ubuntu+1
[02:44] <Pupeno_> Hobbsee: thanks.
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[02:54] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what about waiting some ms before showing the dialog at all?
[02:54] <fdoving> Hobbsee: then if it finishes before that minimalDuration the dialog won't show at all.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> fdoving: then people dont know it exists, is the only thing
[02:55] <fdoving> nothing would be better.
[02:56] <fdoving> i'd like to see those who manage to unplug the removable device 100ms after clicking 'safely remove'
[02:56] <fdoving> they are in a hurry.. imho.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: true
[03:00] <Hobbsee> 100ms is 0.1 seconds, right?
[03:00] <fdoving> yes.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> so not that long anyway
[03:00] <Hobbsee> true, i get your poitn
[03:00] <fdoving> i'll make a binary with that set to 150, for you to try.
[03:00] <fdoving> my computer is too slow to actually test this.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:02] <toma> why does it give that ugly warning about not being able to eject the thing? it's not a big secret that usb thingies can not be ejected, right?
[03:02] <fdoving> toma: does it do that for you?
[03:02] <toma> yep
[03:02] <fdoving> it should not.
[03:02] <fdoving> maybe i changed something.
[03:02] <fdoving> hang on.
[03:03] <fdoving> it should shutup.
[03:03] <fdoving> it's probably kdeeject
[03:03] <fdoving> but kio_media_mounthelper is set to run it with the -q flag.
[03:04] <fdoving> i don't see that error, though.
[03:04] <fdoving> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[03:04] <fdoving> with 150ms delay.
[03:05] <fdoving> i'll have to run again..
[03:05] <fdoving> bbl.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> okay
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[03:06] <toma> i used a zaurus for testing, probably something weird with that then.
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[03:39] <neutraloss> anyone know how I can get console-setup to stop throwing errors?
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[04:30] <fdoving> neutraloss: what errors?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> fdoving: still too quick to see.  i'd psot that on the ML, and see what people say
[04:31] <Hobbsee> it's really a critical bug, so i ssupect it might get accepted
[04:31] <fdoving> ok.
[04:32] <fdoving> i'll have a look at the possibility to make it stay for a second or something whatsoever.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:36] <\sh> happy easter hobbsee
[04:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: you too :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: coming to UDS?
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[04:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: nope, can't make it to spain...but I will be at linuxtag :)
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[04:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: pity
[04:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: right now, my GF and I are planning to move to karlsruhe, and the mov+work+linuxtag in berlin is a big load of work
[04:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: yepp, I'll try to make to next UD somewhere in this world
[04:39] <\sh> hopefully with good news that my company changed from SLES to ubuntu or so ;)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: fair enough
[04:39] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:41] <\sh> Hobbsee: but I promise, you will have fun with the guys at UDS ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> \sh: heh.  hopefully
[04:42] <\sh> but where is my GF now? I wonder what she's doing
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[04:49] <Hobbsee> \sh: you'll probably make it to one i wont be at
[04:50] <\sh> Hobbsee: we will see...if not, I'll have to come down under ;)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <\sh> actually I have to plan a vacation to new zealand to visit my ex
[04:51] <\sh> something on my todo list for next year
[04:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:55] <fdoving> Hobbsee: please test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[04:55] <fdoving> it's updated again.
[04:55] <fdoving> does it stay for 1 sec now?
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[04:57] <Hobbsee> fdoving: still stays there for a very small amount of time.  *shrug*
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[05:24] <fdoving> Hobbsee: can you fetch it again and test?
[05:33] <fdoving> it should wait for a second before quitting now.
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[05:33] <fdoving> i can increase that time if it's still too little.
[05:33] <fdoving> ok.
[05:33] <fdoving> nite.
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[06:27] <pupeno> Does anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213] 
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88213
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[07:41] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/downloads.php.diff  <- fixes the Kubuntu website download page to start to look somewhat consistant
[07:43] <giangy> hi nixternal :)
[07:43] <nixternal> hi giangy
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[08:31] <mhb> Riddell: looks fine
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[08:32] <mhb> Riddell: the translations of "file" and such are now present in langpacks again
[08:47] <larsivi> In general, why are package updates held back by apt? the adept update thingy constantly says not updated due to several OOo and linux-header, etc updates
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[08:48] <_StefanS_> evening :)
[08:59] <fdoving> larsivi: in general, missing dependencies, and when new pacakges needs to be installed to statisfy depends.
[09:03] <larsivi> fdoving: thanks - probably not the answer I looked for :P
[09:04] <claydoh> could it be the needed packaeg are not in the servers just yet?
[09:04] <fdoving> could be.
[09:04] <claydoh> packages rather
[09:04] <fdoving> that's what i mean by 'missing dependencies'
[09:05] <larsivi> I saw the linux-header packages and such were held back earlier and were installed after a couple of days, but this time they've been around for quite some time
[09:06] <fdoving> and there is a difference 'apt-get/aptitude upgrade' vs. 'apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade' - where upgrade will upgrade currently installed pacakges. and dist-upgrade allows to install new packages in addition to upgrading the currently installed packages. this includes installing new dependencies for held packages.
[09:07] <larsivi> fdoving: dist-upgrade did the trick, it seems :)
[09:07] <fdoving> good :)
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[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: hoorah
[10:52] <giangy> uhm
[10:53] <mhb> Riddell: indeed hooray for you
[10:58] <fdoving> Riddell: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 and my proposed solution?
[10:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,In progress] 
[10:59] <fdoving> if you trust my precompiled binaries, you can test with http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper  - replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper and chmod +x it.
[10:59] <fdoving> then safely remove something.
[11:15] <mhb> mmm, testing
[11:18] <nixternal> how do I do strnicmp with gcc?
[11:23] <mhb> fdoving: it works here, but that's probably not exactly the input you wanted
[11:24] <fdoving> mhb: all feedback is good feedback. great. what do you think about it? better than nothing?
[11:25] <mhb> that is true; somehow I dislike pop-ups in the middle of the screen but it is understandable
[11:27] <fdoving> me too, but it's there for a reason.
[11:28] <fdoving> i thought about making it it's own switch to kio_media_mounthelper, -k or something, to safely remove.
[11:29] <fdoving> that way when we change our safelyremove.desktop to use -k, users that hate the popup can simply switch back to -s (current safely remove switch), and it's back to edgy behavior.
[11:29] <fdoving> but, i didn't do that.
[11:40] <mhb> fdoving: it's still useful
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[11:56] <Riddell> fdoving: it's pretty well too late to include new code in feisty
[11:56] <fdoving> ok. too bad.
[11:57] <Riddell> fdoving: but we'll look at this at UDS for feisty+1
[11:58] <fdoving> might be able to get an UVF with that fix, as the severity of the bug is High.
[11:59] <fdoving> .. and the diff is small.
[12:04] <fdoving> i of course mean, SRU.
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