[12:26] <shirish> feistyman: the link gives my dump of /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <shirish> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces file & fill in the blanks
[12:26] <feistyman> It won't let me access it. Permission denied.
[12:27] <shirish> type the command I gave u above
[12:27] <shirish> it will ask you for your password
[12:27] <phaidros> isn't opera in feisty yet?
[12:27] <shirish> always use sudo
[12:27] <shirish> !sudo
[12:27] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:29] <freeza> xtknight: i have the same issue on 2 different laptops, my old acer and my macbook
[12:29] <ompaul> crimsun pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14469
[12:29] <xtknight> freeza, ok make a comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104288
[12:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 104288 in Ubuntu "[edgy+feisty]  First typed character is omitted at gdm login." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:31] <misfit_toy> why in the world is update-manager wanting to update openoffice.org here when I don't even have it anymore, I have openoffice.org2 ?!?
[12:32] <ompaul> crimsun aplay -l is here : pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14469
[12:32] <crimsun> misfit_toy: because openoffice.org replaces openoffice.org2
[12:32] <misfit_toy> lol, grrr, thanks crimsun
[12:33] <shirish> lol
[12:33] <xionox> bye
[12:33] <shirish> welcome to my world I have been upgrading for last 2 hrs. now
[12:33] <shirish> the end is near only 10 mins. more
[12:33] <xtknight> freeza, refresh the page and report the same output from those commands i posted if you could
[12:33] <xtknight> freeza, (i made a comment to my own bug reporting my own system's specs/details)
[12:34] <crimsun> ompaul: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=auto
[12:35] <freeza> ok will do
[12:35] <freeza> but im not running feisty yet on my macbook
[12:36] <xtknight> freeza, just do them whereever it occurs (edgy or feisty)
[12:36] <xtknight> i reported the bug for both
[12:36] <crimsun> ompaul: I'll also need your ``lspci -vvn'' pastebinned
[12:37] <xtknight> freeza, oh wow, kdm also>?
[12:37] <xtknight> i edited the description to include that too
[12:38] <xtknight> hope they fix tihs
[12:39] <xtknight> freeza, hey you knwo what we should try /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[12:39] <xtknight> and see if it still happens?
[12:39] <ompaul> crimsun pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14471  ( the modprobe command returned nothing except a Useage: lsmod
[12:39] <XamDM> feisty takes long on boot up, takes nearly one minute for configuratin network interfaces
[12:39] <crimsun> XamDM: known issue, move along.
[12:40] <XamDM> crimsun, any workaround ???
[12:40] <misfit_toy> anyone having trouble mapping mmkeyboards to feisty? the only one that works for me is "mute".
[12:41] <ompaul> crimsun, - error my part left out the pipe after lsmod - should I reboot?
[12:41] <crimsun> XamDM: remove all but the lo stanzas from /etc/network/interfaces
[12:41] <XamDM> crimsun, thx
[12:41] <feistyman> shirish,
[12:41] <shirish> feistyman: any progress?
[12:41] <crimsun> ompaul: did you unload all the snd modules?
[12:41] <freeza> xtknight: yeah i have been reinstalling ubuntu and trying all the different ones, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu for over 2 weeks now seeing which one i like the best and it did it on all
[12:42] <feistyman> Shirish, I wanted you to know that the problem is still there. I have to manually click on that double-icon before the interent works.
[12:42] <ompaul> crimsun, it is giving me a fatal module snd_hda_intel is in use
[12:42] <jauru> I'm using Feisty (really love it). Does the 3d cube thing work for anyone yet? I only get wobbly windows when I turn on the effects.
[12:42] <freeza> xtknight: also tried all edgy and feisty of those iterations as well
[12:42] <crimsun> ompaul: so close whatever's using it.
[12:42] <xtknight> freeza, interesting.  thanks for contributing to the bug report.  can you try `sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart` and see if it happens there?
[12:42] <xtknight> i'm going to try right now and come back here
[12:43] <shirish> feistyman:ok hang on
[12:43] <freeza> ok but cant right now
[12:43] <xtknight> ok
[12:43] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*)
[12:43] <crimsun> ^ ompaul
[12:43] <xtknight> i will , brb
[12:43] <freeza> upgrading my macbook to feisty
[12:43] <MongotheMad> is there a list for more feisty repos?
[12:43] <flashstar> does anyone know how to make windows maximize to only one physical monitor with twinview?
[12:43] <flashstar> my games don't run well otherwise
[12:44] <shirish> feistyman: what is your output of /etc/resolv.conf post that in paste.ubuntu.nl.org
[12:44] <feistyman> I will, thanks.
[12:44] <freeza> ill brb later and finish posting for my other laptop
[12:44] <feistyman> I'm not sure I understand.
[12:45] <Arko> have just found the solution for all bugs
[12:45] <flashstar> When I run a game and set it to run maximized, the game is spead over my two monitors which are running in twinview mode with beryl
[12:45] <feistyman> Shirish, in your administration/network  area, is "enable roaming mode" checked? It is on mine.
[12:45] <Arko> sudo rm -rf /*
[12:45] <ompaul> crimsun, not obvious - doing init 6 so as to be in a clean environment (I hope)
[12:45] <flashstar> how can I make it run on one monitor?
[12:46] <shirish> feistyman: that should not be checked it should be unchecked, you are using a static ip
[12:46] <shirish> feistyman: that is for wireless people, the roaming mode thing
[12:46] <feistyman> It was unchecked, but then when I rebooted, there was no internet. The only way I could get back to you was to check it.
[12:46] <ompaul> crimsun, not obvious what has it - a little lsof coming up
[12:47] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[12:47] <feistyman> I do have a wireless reuter
[12:47] <crimsun> I have no idea what you just said
[12:47] <shirish> feistyman: damn that is the 1st question I asked u whether its wired or wireless
[12:47] <ompaul> crimsun, still getting fatal error after rebooting
[12:47] <shirish> feistyman: I am not so familiar with wireless
[12:48] <shirish> !Wifi
[12:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:48] <crimsun> ompaul: did you modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base by any chance?
[12:48] <xtknight> i do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart", and then after gdm loads i press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.  I then get a black screen with a busy cursor and the login screen doesnt come back up.  what gives?
[12:48] <shirish> feistyman: look at the docs. there they might provide u the clue
[12:48] <feistyman> Shirish, this is dsl. The reuter is for a laptop.
[12:48] <ompaul> crimsun, more than likely let me check
[12:48] <shirish> feistyman: ok wait a minute, I have to do something
[12:48] <willie> )0
[12:48] <willie> oops
[12:49] <feistyman> ok
[12:49] <VirhYl3> How do I get Nvu working in Feisty?
[12:49] <xtknight> they got rid of nvu because they couldn't compile it against the mozilla libs
[12:49] <xtknight> not sure the status of it now
[12:49] <shirish> feistyman: in that case, post the output of /etc/resolv.conf to pastebin please
[12:50] <shirish> gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[12:50] <shirish> copy whatever is there to paste.ubuntu.nl.org & give the link here
[12:50] <ompaul> crimsun, not since install - just checked with stat
[12:50] <ompaul> crimsun, did not modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:50] <VirhYl3> xtknight: So what do I use to edit html?
[12:50] <crimsun> ompaul: echo options snd-hda-intel model=auto |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:51] <xtknight> VirhYl3, bluefish?
[12:51] <crimsun> ompaul: then reboot, and test whether sound is audible
[12:51] <VirhYl3> bluefish?
[12:51] <xtknight> !info bluefish | VirhYl3
[12:51] <ubotu> virhyl3: bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-1 (feisty), package size 1570 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[12:51] <feistyman> shirish, there is not much to it.
[12:51] <shirish> feistyman: paste whatever is we will put stuff on it
[12:51] <feistyman> how do I paste again.
[12:52] <shirish> feistyman: go to http://paste.ubuntu.nl.org
[12:52] <VirhYl3> Any idea where the bluefish launcher ends up?
[12:52] <VirhYl3> Ah ha.... programming.
[12:53] <feistyman> Shirish, that page won't come up
[12:53] <shirish> !paste
[12:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:54] <shirish> feistyman: it opens up fine here
[12:54] <shirish> did u see the link use that link
[12:54] <Vessquire> what is the min ram I need to run feisty graphically
[12:54] <shirish> what ubotu gave
[12:54] <shirish> if that does not work use pastebin.ca
[12:54] <feistyman> It's up now. Hang on.
[12:55] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14472/
[12:55] <feistyman> There it is!
[12:56] <VirhYl3> umm..... bluefish doesn't have an easy to find ftp setup...
[12:56] <feistyman> Shirish, does that help at all?
[12:56] <shirish> feistyman: do u know what DNS nameserver u use to access the net?
[12:56] <feistyman> No
[12:57] <feistyman> is that my problem. Something isn't there that should be?
[12:57] <shirish> yes, there should be something there which is not there
[12:58] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[12:58] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[12:58] <shirish> call up your isp & ask them what are the DNS IP addresses tell them you want to do this on windows
[12:58] <shirish> setting up your internet connection
[12:58] <ompaul> crimsun, after reboot no audio and when I looked alsamixer was pointing at realtec so changed that to hda and I rebooted a second time - still no audio
[12:58] <feistyman> That is different than just the IP address?
[12:59] <crimsun> ompaul: ok, change the "auto" to "6stack-digout",please, and retest
[12:59] <feistyman> 192.168.10.1
[12:59] <feistyman> I think that is my DNS IP
[12:59] <shirish> feistyman: yup it is different there is an preferred IP address and an alternate ip address
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: you can do one other thing
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: go to http://192.168.0.1
[01:00] <shirish> feistyman: do u see your router page
[01:00] <feistyman> That is primary that I gave you.
[01:00] <feistyman> Secondary is 0.0.0.0
[01:00] <feistyman> yes
[01:01] <shirish> feistyman: ok in there hunt for DNS Addresses or something similar like that
[01:01] <feistyman> DNS Servers	206.13.31.12  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal.net
[01:01] <feistyman> 68.94.157.1  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:01] <VirhYl3> Ok, I'm repeatedly trying to get a file off of the web to edit and reupload, but this seems impossible in bluefish, any pointers?
[01:01] <shirish> ok cool
[01:02] <feistyman> So we can do something now?
[01:02] <shirish> now note down the full data
[01:02] <shirish> somewhere
[01:02] <shirish> tell me when u have done that
[01:03] <feistyman> The whole page of info?
[01:03] <ompaul> crimsun, we got sound
[01:03] <shirish> nope just the info. u gave me right now
[01:03] <ompaul> crimsun, thank you very much
[01:04] <crimsun> ompaul: brilliant, I'll commit that fix now.
[01:04] <VirhYl3> i think bluefish is far, far not wysiwyg enough for me.
[01:04] <VirhYl3> any other ideas for just editing a couple of dates on a web page?
[01:04] <VirhYl3> in feisty?
[01:04] <shirish> crimsun: are u on main or MOTU?
[01:04] <ompaul> crimsun, sometimes it is a pleasure to here the same sound you turn down on every computer in the office :)
[01:04] <feistyman> I'm printing it right now, just those two lines of info, right?
[01:05] <ompaul> crimsun, s/here/hear
[01:05] <shirish> right
[01:05] <shirish> because he said he was commiting a patch/fix
[01:05] <peter77> is wine capable of playing windows games smoothly?
[01:06] <crimsun> shirish: I'm core-dev (which is by default MOTU). I maintain the sound stack for Ubuntu.
[01:06] <shirish> peter77: supposed to be, although there is some other commercial program which is supposed to be way better or something
[01:06] <shirish> crimsun: oh cool
[01:06] <shirish> I did not know that core-developers are MOTU
[01:06] <crimsun> shirish: they are by definition, but MOTU is a separate category
[01:07] <shirish> for here I am trying to get deluge 0.5 to run
[01:07] <crimsun> right, deluge-torrent 0.5 is something that I feel strongly should /not/ be in feisty.
[01:07] <shirish> having to downloading all the development packages & then see if the compile happens
[01:07] <shirish> crimsun: why?
[01:07] <crimsun> shirish: because the upstream dev has expressed his opinion that having it in feisty may mislead people to feel it's finished, which it isn't
[01:08] <feistyman> Shirish, I have the info in front of me
[01:08] <shirish> crimsun: understood
[01:08] <crimsun> ompaul: which precise model is your laptop?
[01:08] <shirish> will chow for sure lemme get feistyman running now
[01:08] <crimsun> ompaul: and I won't be attending UDS.
[01:08] <feistyman> Ready, I hope!
[01:08] <shirish> ok now enter the data you have on 2 lines like :-
[01:09] <shirish> nameserver  206.13.31.12  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal.net
[01:09] <feistyman> :-
[01:09] <wizard> crimsun: hey man
[01:09] <shirish> nameserver 68.94.157.1  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:09] <wizard> -13 works great, -14 reoccuring issue again
[01:09] <ompaul> crimsun, PSL33E-029023N aka Toshiba Satellite L30-101
[01:09] <wizard> crimsun: soooo... we now know its specific to -14
[01:09] <shirish> feistyman: these both lines should be in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: good, now we have to establish whether it's -13 that broke it or -14
[01:10] <shirish> sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[01:10] <feistyman> ok
[01:10] <wizard> crimsun: well -13 is worknig 100%
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: brilliant, that makes my life simpler (well, no, not really, but whatever)
[01:10] <wizard> crimsun: and since i didn't have -13 on my first feisty install... i guess we could call it -14 right?
[01:10] <jimmy__> is there a higher res version of the human icon set? in avant window manager it looks  really pixelated
[01:10] <crimsun> wizard: did you install -13 manually?
[01:11] <shirish> wizard: are u talking about the kernel?
[01:11] <wizard> crimsun: nope i let feisty do all of its patching
[01:11] <shirish> feistyman: after u are done, save the file then again open it
[01:11] <wizard> 13 was out of dist-upgrade, as was -14
[01:11] <feistyman> ok
[01:12] <shirish> feistyman: then again post the content to !paste
[01:12] <wizard> crimsun: so we've now got a good base: this issue *is*, 100% positively specific to -14
[01:12] <wizard> crimsun: at least in my case
[01:14] <crimsun> wizard: so what's your current `uname -r'?
[01:14] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14479/
[01:14] <ant-> what are poeples opinions about waiting another week, will the changes be drastic enough?
[01:14] <feistyman> Shirish, there it is ( I think)
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun:at
[01:14] <wizard> blah
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: 2.6.20-13-386
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: the only issue in -13 is i have no bass/trebble controller
[01:14] <wizard> crimsun: and no option for the "tone" switch
[01:14] <shirish> feistyman: there should be 2 lines exactly like this :-
[01:15] <feistyman> ok
[01:15] <Infecto> anybody familiar with building ati 8.35 drivers on 2.6.20.4 ?
[01:15] <crimsun> wizard: ok, good. I need to git-bisect, which may take a bit, as I'm currently busy.
[01:16] <wizard> crimsun: take your time
[01:16] <shirish>  nameserver	206.13.31.12  dns1-sac.scrmca.sbcglobal
[01:16] <shirish>     nameserver   68.94.157.1  dnsr2.sbcglobal.net
[01:16] <wizard> crimsun: just could you help me understand why i don't have a bess-treble controller on here?
[01:16] <shirish> feistyman: both the nameserver should be given
[01:16] <wizard> someone in ubuntu forums said it was cos my device wasn't supported but i feel he has no clue what hes talking about
[01:16] <feistyman> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14480/
[01:17] <feistyman> is that ok, Shirish?
[01:17] <crimsun> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14482/
[01:18] <slackern> Infecto, i'm not sure if it's possible, i went halfway through the installation of the drivers when i came to a part where it said "NOTE: the fglrx source code requires Linux 2.6.19 or lower. It is not yet prepared for 2.6.20."
[01:18] <shirish> feistyman: it should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14483/
[01:18] <shirish> feistyman: actually its yours, copy it to the file, do sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[01:19] <ompaul> crimsun, thats the one :)
[01:19] <crimsun> wizard: because either it's not available in hardware (i.e., no registers), or it's not added in the driver. I don't have the codec sheet for your hardware handy.
[01:19] <wizard> crimsun: if its one of the above, it'll likely get added soon right?
[01:20] <feistyman> I did it
[01:20] <Infecto> slackern: it works i found patch
[01:20] <shirish> feistyman: ok save the file
[01:20] <feistyman> saved, Shirish
[01:20] <shirish> feistyman: now do a complete shutdown & then start the machine
[01:20] <feistyman> It's still there.
[01:21] <feistyman> ok, will do.
[01:21] <slackern> Infecto, ahh nice i was too tired to even bother any longer with my x1950 card any longer so i gave up there, then i know that there is atleast a chance of compiling them
[01:21] <ompaul> crimsun, I may be on monday from work the boss is getting a similar laptop different model (I spent more of his money on him ... )
[01:21] <feistyman> should roaming mode still be checked?
[01:21] <ompaul> crimsun, same fix I imagine
[01:22] <shirish> fiestyman: nope it should not be checked
[01:22] <crimsun> ompaul: it depends on the codec and SSID.
[01:22] <ompaul> k
[01:23] <shirish> fiestyman: there should be an enable networking not roaming mode
[01:23] <crimsun> HDA is an utter pile of manure.
[01:23] <shirish> feistyman: or keep it checked
[01:23] <shirish> feistyman: have u done all the updates?
[01:23] <feistyman> I'll keep it checked then, ok
[01:23] <feistyman> Yes, all updates
[01:24] <feistyman> so I'll shut down, now?
[01:24] <cables> I'm installing software updates for Feisty Beta, and it's stalled on "Setting up cupsys"
[01:25] <jimmy__> is there a higher res version of the human icon set? in avant window manager it looks  really pixelated
[01:25] <jimmy__> i couldnt find one on gnome-look either
[01:27] <wizard> crimsun: i do have another issue tho. if you coudl stear me to who could help... the system seems to freeze for 3 1/2 minutes on boot on kinit trying to resume something.
[01:27] <crimsun> wizard: not my realm, I only deal with audio.
[01:28] <wizard> yeah thats why i said if you could stear me to someone
[01:28] <crimsun> oh, so that's what you meant by "stear me to who could help"
[01:28] <wizard> yeah
[01:28] <shirish> crimsun: finally had it installed, but not much difference from 0.41 deluge
[01:29] <crimsun> wizard: I'd file a bug and attach the info required by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies#head-0a39ab9f8a5401109461f67986f8cfb4be88cc64
[01:30] <wizard> where does ubuntu log what goes on at bootup?
[01:30] <inade> Is there any place where we can read about Feisty other than the bug reports.
[01:30] <cables> inade, what do you mean?
[01:31] <jimmy__> does anyone know how to make deluge open a torrent in the currently opened deluge window, and not in a whole new deluge window?
[01:31] <shirish> crimsun: yup where is the log of the bootup thing?
[01:31] <inade> I just installed Ubuntu and my video display is giving me a hard time.
[01:31] <cables> wizard, try System>Administration>System Log (that's edgy, don't know if that's in feisty)
[01:31] <cables> inade, feisty?
[01:31] <shirish> it is there
[01:31] <inade> I can't seem to install the nvidia drivers (proprietary)  from the nvidia site.
[01:31] <cables> inade, you're not supposed to install them from there
[01:31] <inade> Yes, today's output.
[01:31] <cables> !nvidia | inade
[01:31] <ubotu> inade: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <Infecto> slackern: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[01:32] <inade> Ok. I will check that. because the ones provided on the CD leave me without a mouse pointer.
[01:32] <feistyman> Shirish, I'm still in the same boat. Sorry
[01:32] <crimsun> shirish: syslog or kern.log
[01:33] <shirish> crimsun: what is the difference between the 2 logs
[01:33] <sri> it seems odd, but when I try to do anything full screen (eg mythtv) the panel still shows up on top of my movies :(
[01:33] <greigm> hi all
[01:33] <sri> oh wait I know why
[01:33] <crimsun> shirish: kernel ring buffer is all that's in the latter. The former includes more.
[01:34] <shirish> feistyman: you have downloaded all the updates till date or no?
[01:34] <feistyman> Shirish, maybe I can try this again later. You tried all kinds of things. I still have to click it on when I boot up. But not on Windows. Not even on my live cd of Edgy. Just Feisty
[01:34] <feistyman> Yes, all updates, even today.
[01:34] <wizard> whats happening is when i boot into ubuntu boot takes like 4 minutes because it tries to resume something
[01:34] <feistyman> I appreciate your help.
[01:34] <shirish> feistyman: actually it should not happen, and what I did is what I did for myself
[01:35] <shirish> feistyman: hopefully you got the hang of patebin.ca or !paste
[01:35] <feistyman> Yeah, well... I've been trying to fix this for a while.
[01:35] <greigm> hey folks, i have some problems with my upgrade from 6.10 to 7.20? ive had no luck solving the issue, would a new install from cd be a good idea?
[01:35] <feistyman> Yeah, the pasting is good now. Thanks
[01:35] <shirish> see you guys l8ter
[01:36] <feistyman> I better quit now, I guess. I'm needed downstairs. Thanks for everything, Shirish!
[01:36] <pauliukas> How stable is Ubuntu Beta 7.04? Or should I just go with Ubuntu 6.10?
[01:36] <wizard> it looks like under /var/log/messages it is "Attempting manual resume"
[01:36] <wizard> crimsun: did they fix the daily build's size?
[01:37] <phaidros> hi ompaul :)
[01:38] <greigm> has someone got a link to the daily releases of the beta pls?
[01:38] <crimsun> wizard: you'll need to check, I'm very busy atm
[01:39] <wizard> crimsun: okay
[01:40] <ompaul> phaidros, morning
[01:41] <pauliukas> Will Ubuntu Feisty be upgradable from Beta to final via apt-get?
[01:41] <pauliukas> Or will I need to reinstall it completely?
[01:41] <blippe> pauliukas: no reinstall
[01:42] <ompaul> pauliukas, you will apt-get all the way to stable
[01:42] <pauliukas> nice
[01:42] <ompaul> pauliukas, as long as you don't break something :)
[01:42] <greigm> like me:(
[01:42] <pauliukas> Breaking... as in?
[01:43] <pauliukas> I don't have a tendancy to break my computer
[01:43] <pauliukas> uter
[01:44] <jauru> Does the 3d cube work for anyone? I get the wobbly windows but not the cube when I enable the effects...
[01:44] <cables> jauru, i assume you checked off the cube?
[01:44] <jauru> Yep.
[01:44] <cables> jauru, ask in #ubuntu-effects also, they might be able to help.
[01:44] <jauru> ta
[01:44] <zdzichuBG> works for me aftes massaging gconf (hsize and numer of desktops)
[01:45] <zdzichuBG> s/aftes/after
[01:45] <jauru> hmmm - number of desktops keeps reverting to 1 when I enable cube effect.
[01:45] <jauru> I'll join #ubuntu-effects.
[01:46] <zdzichuBG> jauru: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/03/28/enabling-the-cube-in-feistys-desktop-effects/
[01:46] <zdzichuBG> jauru: hsize is important
[01:46] <jauru> zdzichuBG: thanks...
[01:48] <wizard> okay... my boot keeps hanging on "Configuring network settings" for about a minute
[01:48] <wizard> anyone know what would cause that?
[01:48] <slackern> Infecto, ahh i was reading that guide but then they hadn't included that part about the patch yet, thanks for pointing it out
[01:49] <jauru> wizard: is there a dhcp server on your network?
[01:49] <wizard> jauru: two
[01:50] <jauru> hmmm - should be one...
[01:50] <wizard> jauru: the router and a domain controller - both can act as DHCP for any client
[01:51] <jauru> my advice would be to turn dhcp off on one of them
[01:51] <wizard> well jauru
[01:51] <wizard> i use wifi...
[01:51] <wizard> which doesn't seem to even enable till after boot
[01:51] <wizard> its strange
[01:51] <greigm> if i post my grub menu, can someone tell me if its configured correctly ?
[01:52] <jauru> okay - i'm using wifi only... it needs to get a wep key I presume?
[01:52] <wizard> jauru: yup
[01:52] <wizard> and all that goes just fine after boot
[01:52] <wizard> it chokes on this during actual bootup
[01:53] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[01:53] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[01:53] <jauru> hmm - in my case boot process seems normal but asked for keyring access when logging on...
[01:55] <VirhYl3> So Nvu works fine in Wine.... :)
[01:56] <VirhYl3> what a kludgy hack, but at least I could update the website!
[01:56] <phaidros> VirhYl3: nvu works fine native .. ?!??!!
[01:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: it hangs up on the boot section for "configuring network interfaces..."
[01:57] <VirhYl3> phaidros: Well, it's not in synaptic, and so far I haven't gotten ANYTHING to run in Feisty that wasn't in synaptic.  Except Urban Terror, which only worked after several reboots, and I still locks up the keyboard often.
[01:58] <phaidros> VirhYl3: so somehow I'm lucke nvu is installed from before, old edgy times ..
[01:58] <VirhYl3> yeah.... I would say that makes you lucky... :)
[01:58] <VirhYl3> They say there's probs with nvu/mozilla at the moment, and they aren't going to have it in the repos for a while?!?
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Seems sad to keep FOSS web devs off of Linux because they can't edit html!!
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Luckily I am the master of kludge.
[01:59] <phaidros> isnt there bluefish also?
[02:00] <VirhYl3> bluefish doesn't do ANYTHING like what I need.  I opened it up and it was just code everywhere.  I almost puked.
[02:00] <VirhYl3> No native FTP, either!
[02:00] <phaidros> true
[02:00] <VirhYl3> Is there an easy way to make a LiveCD or DVD of my system "as is".
[02:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> anyone know why it woiuld freeze up on configuring network interfaces?
[02:02] <VirhYl3> It would be nice if Ubuntu had a button that just instantly backed up your Linux drive, complete with apps and drivers at the click of a button.  Like CreateLiveCD of your whole environment with current drivers AS IS.
[02:02] <|NewUser|> I just did " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " but in last some packages gone to install but some are remain unconfigured .. can someone..  help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488/
[02:06] <mahdi> anybody knows if alsa is broken in feisty?
[02:06] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay
[02:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i have a fix for anyone whose bootup is slow on ubuntu feisty
[02:07] <greigm> whats the fix?
[02:07] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: that configuring network slow stuff?
[02:07] <|NewUser|> damn get a problem how can i upgrade overall distro.
[02:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> it would seem as though that for some people, myself included, feisty had everything from eith0 to eith2, and a few wireless devices all listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> commenting out the devices that did not pretain to my network, nor even exist on my laptop
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> resolved the issue, and i was back to 15 second bootup
[02:08] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: already did that and my boot is still slow
[02:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: you can also adjust the timeout
[02:08] <mahdi> any1 with feisty up-to-date and alsa working?
[02:09] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: i think its because of my wlan
[02:09] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: check the dhcp timeout in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:09] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: ok
[02:09] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: change timeout from 60 to like... 20, or 10 even
[02:10] <mahdi> ok. Done that, i'll check the speed later
[02:11] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: mine was taking like 5 minutes to boot cos somehow feisty made about 10 non-existant connections in interfaces lol
[02:11] <mahdi> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: lol, mine doesnt take that long
[02:11] <chrisbudden14> does anyone know when the newest fglrx driver and ati catalyst control will hit the repos
[02:11] <mahdi> only like 30-40 seconds on that network stuff
[02:11] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yeah mine was making me curse at it
[02:11] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: newest fglrx is already oat the repos
[02:12] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: OpenGL renderer string: RADEON XPRESS Series
[02:12] <mahdi> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6334 (8.34.8)
[02:12] <greigm> i made a error when upgrading from ubuntu to feisty. now it wont boot, should i just do a new install from the live cd?
[02:12] <VonFluffy> will Pidgin 2.0.0 final go into Fiesty Fawn 7.04
[02:13] <chrisbudden14> the latest ati is 8.35.5 mahdi
[02:13] <mahdi> greigm: well, if u'll install from scratch, wait till 19th
[02:13] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: hmmm any substantial diff?
[02:13] <greigm> mahdi, how come?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> ati catalyst control center mahdi
[02:14] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: it hasn't changed much since 8.28.8
[02:14] <crimsun> VonFluffy: no.
[02:14] <VonFluffy> =( not even bakport?
[02:14] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> now i thought if you wanted network manager to manage your wired networks too you could comment it out in interfaces?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> NEW FEATURES: (1) AMD Catalyst Control Center: Linux Edition Beta now available.
[02:14] <chrisbudden14>     ISSUES RESOLVED: (1) Screen no longer turns black if the X-Server is terminated from the text console on certain laptop configurations. mahdi
[02:14] <slackern> Infecto, I installed the drivers now myself and they compiled and are running for me now
[02:14] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: r u experiencing that?
[02:14] <chrisbudden14> yea
[02:14] <crimsun> VonFluffy: well, it could be backported, but talking about backports doesn't make sense when feisty+1 hasn't even opened.
[02:14] <slackern> Infecto, but i'm still having that mesa-gl stuff
[02:15] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: hmmm... well, try from that ati pkg first
[02:15] <chrisbudden14> yea i could do, im not really in a rush, just was wondering when they will be built
[02:15] <|NewUser|> anyone can help ? why im getting problem in dist-upgrade ?
[02:15] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: if it solves your problem, use it until they release it on official repos (shouldnt take long)
[02:15] <slackern> chrisbudden14, im also playing with the new drivers trying to get them to work
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> any probs slackern
[02:16] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: i suggest u wail, LOL
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> lol
[02:16] <mahdi> chrisbudden14: if it isnt causing much trouble...
[02:16] <xtknight> bug 104288
[02:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 104288 in Ubuntu "[edgy+feisty]  First typed character is omitted at gdm/kdm login." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104288
[02:16] <xtknight> anyone else have this problem? ^^ if so please comment
[02:16] <slackern> chrisbudden14, hehe well, i managed to compile them finally and now well stuff seems faster like resizing and stuff but i don't belive glx is running fully though
[02:16] <mahdi> i used to have it on edgy
[02:16] <mahdi> on feisty its fine
[02:16] <chrisbudden14> slackern, how is the control center thing?
[02:17] <mahdi> anyone with alsa probs running feisty?
[02:17] <jimmy__> does anyone know how to make deluge open a torrent in the currently opened deluge window, and not in a whole new deluge window?
[02:17] <slackern> chrisbudden14, I was just on my way to start it, thats how long i have been using the drivers :)
[02:17] <greigm> what kind of alsa problems?
[02:17] <chrisbudden14> lol ok, let me know how it goes :P
[02:18] <mahdi> greigm: the kind that makes sound stop working for no reason, lol
[02:18] <slackern> chrisbudden14, well i can say this much clicking it doesn't start anything :p
[02:18] <greigm> mahdi lol afraid not
[02:18] <chrisbudden14> good start slackern
[02:18] <slackern> chrisbudden14, and running it from a terminal gave me "*** glibc detected *** amdcccle: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xbf956a6d ***
[02:18] <slackern> "
[02:18] <chrisbudden14> ooo
[02:18] <mahdi> greigm: i guess its just me
[02:19] <mahdi> greigm: r ur feisty uptodate?
[02:19] <slackern> But i am using a AGP X1950Pro card which i guess isn't loved by ATi or anyone :p
[02:19] <mahdi> ur feisty upgrades
[02:19] <slackern> atleast now i can move windows around without having them crawl around like snails :P
[02:20] <greigm> mahdi yes, but its messed up:( im going to install from cd
[02:20] <brucedes> whenever I try to run cedega, the terminal says: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14492/ What can I do?
[02:20] <mahdi> greigm: =/
[02:20] <mahdi> greigm: whats messed up?
[02:20] <greigm> mahdi, it wont boot
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: lol
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: that sucks
[02:21] <greigm> mahdi or my previous 6.10 install
[02:21] <greigm> mahdi only my xp partition
[02:21] <greigm> :(
[02:21] <mahdi> greigm: use xp until feisty is released
[02:21] <slackern> please good lord or whatever deity up there send me a nvidia card
[02:21] <mahdi> will save u some space and conf probs
[02:22] <greigm> well i'll try install of cd once its dloaded, cant do any harm, the installs broke anyway lol
[02:22] <mahdi> lol
[02:24] <mahdi> just a piece of advice... stables r better than betas...
[02:26] <greigm> lol indeed
[02:33] <specialbuddy> It says, "After updating the archive it should offer to upgrade kubuntu" this isn't coming up
[02:35] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: the only issue i've noticed is i have to bring eth0 up manually
[02:35] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> mahdi: but i rarely, EVER will touch etho, and i am sure this bug'll be gone by the time i do
[02:35] <specialbuddy> how am I supposed to upgrade to fiesty
[02:36] <cps1966> !upgrade
[02:36] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <specialbuddy> what about for kubuntu?
[02:38] <cps1966> same thing
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> VirhYl3: re Nvu, you ping me in two weeks and ask ;)
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> !nvu | For everyone's reference:
[02:38] <ubotu> For everyone's reference:: nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[02:42] <|NewUser|> can someone help me with this ? i downloaded all updates but dont know whats the problem with applying it ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14499/
[02:45] <|NewUser|> no one can help ?
[02:46] <brucedes> how do I downgrade my version of python (Python 2.5.1c1)
[02:46] <budmang> Can anyone fix my sound so multiple apps can play sound at once?
[02:48] <crimsun> budmang: it should happen by default. What sound device are you using?
[02:49] <crimsun> brucedes: simply pass the package version to apt-get or aptitude
[02:49] <budmang> crimsun, I have a dv6000 hp laptop.
[02:49] <budmang> alsa I use.
[02:49] <crimsun> budmang: which dv6000?
[02:49] <crimsun> look on the bottom of the laptop if you don't know
[02:50] <budmang> For example It i start any flash sound in firefox idefisk or any app that wants sound dies / cant use it
[02:50] <budmang> dv6226us
[02:50] <crimsun> oh, Flash 9 is a PiTA, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
[02:50] <brucedes> crimsun, I feel like a right idiot asking, but how do I do that?
[02:50] <budmang> really?
[02:50] <budmang> its just flash you think?
[02:50] <crimsun> budmang: it's just Flash 9.
[02:50] <budmang> can I downgrade flash?
[02:50] <crimsun> budmang: you /don't/ want to downgrade Flash
[02:50] <budmang> I need my VOIP.
[02:51] <Arko> what does PiTA mean?
[02:51] <budmang> to work 24/7 no matter what app.
[02:51] <crimsun> brucedes: apt-get install foo=somepackage-revision
[02:51] <budmang> pain in the ass. Arko
[02:51] <Arko> oh
[02:51] <crimsun> budmang: so don't use Firefox/Flash whenever you want VoIP
[02:51] <|NewUser|> i downloaded all updates but dont know whats the problem with applying it ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14499/
[02:51] <budmang> I used meebo 24/7 also.
[02:51] <budmang> lol
[02:51] <crimsun> budmang: that's just the unfortunate state that Macromedia has chosen
[02:51] <budmang> damn u  :-)
[02:51] <crimsun> don't blame us, blame the closed-source plugin
[02:51] <Arko> what is the substitute of flash+firefox?
[02:51] <crimsun> Arko: don't use Flash?
[02:52] <savvas> i thought adobe's flash is open source :\
[02:52] <crimsun> savvas: it's not.
[02:52] <budmang> how after stoping sound in flash/firefox can I release it?
[02:52] <Arko> hmmm
[02:52] <crimsun> budmang: you need to /close/ Firefox to do that
[02:52] <budmang> Wow
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> Hi, I'm currently unable to properly view http://www.specialized.com/ (flash site).  Others have said it works fine for them.  Ideas of what may be happening?  It worked last weekend, and stopped yesterday as far as I know.
[02:52] <budmang> Damn macromedia.
[02:52] <budmang> but you have comforted me.
[02:53] <brucedes> crimsun, it says foo doesn't exist, nor does python-2.4.3
[02:53] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: it seems to work acceptably on my i945
[02:53] <crimsun> brucedes: that's because python-2.4.3 is not a valid package revision
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: insteresting.  Would a dpkg-reconf on the flash plugin or anything like that help?
[02:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: no, it wouldn't.
[02:54] <crimsun> disable any compiz/beryl
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: None enabled.
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> Well, I don't think
[02:54] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: which X driver are you using?
[02:54] <budmang> What about getting my ndiswrapper to always auto boot. sometimes it doesnt work and I have to sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and depmod -a
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: "ati", no effects
[02:54] <crimsun> budmang: echo ndiswrapper |sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[02:55] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: try downgrading xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: eww...  sigh
[02:56] <crimsun> brucedes: you could just install python2.4 and invoke the script explicitly with python2.4 prepended
[02:56] <budmang> crimsun, one last thing. When I connect to a wireless network it pops up for a default key ring password box. no matter what password i use nothing works. I have to press deny and it connects anyway.
[02:57] <crimsun> budmang: I've experienced that bug, too, but I don't much care for it. I don't use n-m.
[02:57] <budmang> k.
[02:58] <crimsun> budmang: check Launchpad.net for a bug filed against gnome-keyring
[02:58] <budmang> anyone here use qemu? or what do you use for virtual windows?
[02:58] <xtknight> VMware
[02:58] <xtknight> seems to be fastest
[03:00] <bts3685> not a feisty-specific question BUT..... i have feisty installed. can i do a apt-get remove --purge gnome and then an apt-get install fluxbox? or is ubuntu so infused with gnome that i will call upon myself an unholy storm of hellfire and brimstone and verily, bring ruination upon myself and would be better off burning xubuntu and installing fluxbox from there?
[03:00] <RAOF> bts3685: You can kinda do that, but it's not as simple as "apt-get remove gnome", because gnome isn't a package.
[03:00] <misfit_toy>  /me likes bts3685 's question, just cause he can actually spell unlike most people on the 'net these days.
[03:01] <cps1966> gnome-desktop would work
[03:01] <RAOF> You can remove ubuntu-desktop, (with aptitude) which should remove all the automatically-installed dependencies.
[03:01] <RAOF> !info gnome-desktop feisty
[03:01] <ubotu> Package gnome-desktop does not exist in feisty
[03:01] <RAOF> What gnome-desktop :)
[03:02] <misfit_toy> isn't it still gnome-environment?
[03:02] <bts3685> ...gnome*?
[03:02] <misfit_toy> gnome* would surely work
[03:02] <bts3685> (and thanks, misfit :) i'm a tech writer)
[03:02] <evan__> hey guys, when i restart x (ctrl alt back) my new feisty doesnt go to login screen, it goes to terminal, what should i do?
[03:02] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[03:03] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[03:03] <bts3685> evan- "startx"
[03:03] <brucedes> ok, installed python 2.4.4, but python - V still says 2.5.1c1, how do I set the version of python I want?
[03:03] <evan__> i know that, but how do i get it to do what it's supposed to
[03:03] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, "sudo apt-get install -f"
[03:03] <martalli> adept is telling me that a version upgrade is available, but the "release announcement" is empty, so it won't let me go past.  Could I do this with just an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or does this involve a change int he repos?
[03:03] <bts3685> ...pardon? what is it "supposed to do"?
[03:04] <evan__> it's supposed to go to login screen right?
[03:04] <martalli> I am using a fairly uptodate version of kubuntu
[03:04] <evan__> like edgy did
[03:05] <cps1966> looks like your x config is screwed up then
[03:05] <evan__> okie dokie, what should i do to fix that
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> misfit_toy: http://paste-bin.com/11369
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> It looks like a package that I used alien on isn't working...
[03:05] <brucedes> ...ok...so I tried apt-get remove python2.5, and I suspect that might of been quite stupid...
[03:05] <aaroncampbell> or rather...it's working, but causing problem
[03:06] <aaroncampbell> s
[03:06] <cps1966> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:06] <evan__> ok
[03:06] <martalli> sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[03:06] <martalli> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:06] <bts3685> by the way, THANK YOU everyone who helped me, this is (one of the reasons) why i LOVE the linux community- you'd NEVER get that kind of response from any M$ community (as if they exist. haha)
[03:06] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:07] <martalli> bts3685, They do exist, but you are very welcome  (The MS users really need help =)
[03:07] <misfit_toy> and aaroncampbell go ahead and "sudo apt-get autoremove" as well
[03:07] <brucedes> hmm...it would appear that apt-get is uninstalling every piece of software on my machine...
[03:08] <aaroncampbell> misfit_toy: http://paste-bin.com/11370
[03:08] <evan__> hey cps1966, do i want vga, via, vmware, voodoo or what? i have nvidia 7300 card
[03:08] <bts3685> (rofflewaffles.  i'm installing CRM for a client right now. ugh...)
[03:08] <evan__> im guessing nv?
[03:09] <brucedes> yeah, this is bad, it's all getting deleted...
[03:09] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, that looks ok, let me look again closely, give me 2 minutes
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> I think my javascript is broken in FF
[03:10] <martalli> When adept is telling me a version upgrade is available, would an "apt-get dist-upgrade" be the CLI equivalent?
[03:10] <brucedes> great, I get to reinstall ubuntu for like the third time now...just when I got my xorg.conf just right
[03:11] <brucedes> martalli: no
[03:11] <brucedes> that upgrades the apt-get database
[03:11] <brucedes> I think you just apt-get install adept and it'll install the latest version
[03:12] <brucedes> yippee! I just nuked my whole system, which, somehow, remains connected to the internet :\
[03:12] <martalli> boy...i thought a dist-upgrade doesn't change your soruces.list, but is a more aggressive upgrade of packages (will delete or regress sm,e packages to upgrade other, and so on)
[03:13] <martalli> i tried apt-get install adept and it said I had the most recent version
[03:13] <brucedes> apt-get is quite outdated
[03:13] <brucedes> see if the site has a repository you can use
[03:16] <misfit_toy> aaroncampbell, "sudo apt-get update" does what?
[03:16] <brucedes> phew, I saved my system
[03:17] <misfit_toy> and aaroncampbell what happens with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:28] <johnnybuoy> hi all
[03:28] <thompa> howdy
[03:28] <thompa> any
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[03:29] <thompa> buggy touchpad
[03:29] <thompa> anyone else running macbook here?
[03:29] <thompa> If I use an external mouse it works fine though
[03:32] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:33] <johnnybuoy> fl00d ;-P
[03:33] <johnnybuoy> macs are not so good with linux, I hear....
[03:34] <johnnybuoy> thompa, did you check google?
[03:35] <mon^rch> hello feisty friends :)
[03:35] <mon^rch> isn't compiz just nummy?
[03:36] <thompa> johnnybuoy: some thiings are better in ubuntu,
[03:36] <johnnybuoy> beryl is yummy
[03:36] <johnnybuoy> thompa, for the touchpad problem?
[03:36] <thompa> i will need to fix the keyboard layout and touchpad
[03:36] <bts3685> grahr! it wouldn't let me aptitude remove --purge gnome*....haha
[03:37] <thompa> if i use an external its fine,
[03:37] <thompa> also linux is faster. all the apps are than on osx side
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> yeah, linux rocks, just hardware support is not as good?
[03:38] <thompa> johnnybuoy: if i get around this i may ditch osx
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> ThomasWaldmann, check the appletouch kernel driver if you haven't yet
[03:38] <bts3685> johnny- the support is there. it's just DIY. ;)
[03:38] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> my dell works like a charm, tho
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> out of the box
[03:39] <bts3685> to quote monty python, "always look on the bright side of life"
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> and it's the same hardware
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> thompa, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Apple_MacBook#Touchpad_in_X11
[03:39] <martalli> johnnybuoy, Actually, the hardware support is excellent, for the proprietary OS's you need extra drivers for almost everything. For linux, you only need extra drivers for a few things
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> this was the first or second google hit
[03:39] <johnnybuoy> yeah?
[03:40] <martalli> The only problem is that the hardware manufacturers won't write those few drivers or open the hardware for the kernel authors
[03:40] <bts3685> jerks.
[03:40] <johnnybuoy> hardware manufacturers can always run, as soon as an olpc-type latop comes out for real people, _every_ linux user will switch to open hardware
[03:40] <johnnybuoy> I am sure
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> except the gamers :D
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> pff
[03:41] <bts3685> (that's what gentoo and nvidia are for ;) )
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[03:41] <johnnybuoy> I don't really care for games
[03:41] <inade> Well, I did update the video drivers.  So far, so good.  Thanks for the tips.
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> tho I was surprised on how wine made huge progress since the last time I tried it
[03:42] <bts3685> OH yeah! wine is CRUISING. barely had to tweak for the most part
[03:42] <thompa> johnnybuoy: thanks i missed that link
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> no steam and CS work on linux. CS is the only game I ever play :D
[03:42] <thompa> those gentoo folks are always ahead of the game
[03:42] <johnnybuoy> not true
[03:43] <johnnybuoy> not even close...
[03:43] <brottman> is there any decent tape backup software thats available for linux? I'm considering it for a backup server @ work
[03:43] <johnnybuoy> but well, that macbook wiki entry is pretty extensive in gentoo-wiki
[03:44] <thompa> johnnybuoy: most stuff works in ubuntu feisty already, volume, backlight
[03:44] <bts3685> if you want it to just work, there's debian. if you want it to look pretty, there's *ubuntu. if you want to play mad scientist, there's gentoo/arch/slack
[03:44] <johnnybuoy> arch is not that great imho
[03:44] <thompa> all i need is keyboard and then disable touchpad i think
[03:44] <johnnybuoy> gentoo rocks tho
[03:44] <thompa> i cant even get used to it it mac
[03:44] <bts3685> (i know, i love it. use it on my desktop)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> ?
[03:45] <bts3685> and brottman, have you looked into bakula?
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> gentoo?
[03:45] <bts3685> (yeah)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> I would use gentoo max. for gaming, otherwise it's PERFECT for servers
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> (fast, got's good support)
[03:45] <brottman> bts3685: yes, it looks very complicated :)
[03:45] <johnnybuoy> + a great hardened version, that's really hardened
[03:46] <thompa> im considering wiping out the mac part. but is there a way to do this wothout reinstalling?
[03:46] <johnnybuoy> from gound-up
[03:46] <Alpha_Cluster> ok since im using Fiesty and #ubuntu is worthless, does anyone here know how to change the window borders in gnome?  I cant seem to find a way to do it via theme
[03:46] <bts3685> gentoo's good for servers? mmmm...i'd have to stick to debian. too much configuration and maintenance for gentoo. but i mean..slap SL on debian and you're hardened.
[03:46] <bts3685> brottman, there's a LOT of documentation
[03:46] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: are you serious? Preferences > Theme > Window Decoration or soemthing
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, SL?
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> Toma- i only have 3 tabs in Theme
[03:47] <bts3685> oops! SE*
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> Window Decorations doesnt exist
[03:47] <bts3685> not SL. lolz.
[03:47] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: yeh its one of those tabs
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> selinux, bts3685
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> ??
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont have one for it
[03:47] <bts3685> yessir
[03:47] <Toma-> Alpha_Cluster: sorry im not specific, im using e17
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> i only got Controls, colors, and icons
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> hardened is different tho....
[03:47] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, ^
[03:48] <Alpha_Cluster> Toma-,  the thing is i know what your talking about and i know it should be there... the problem is it is not there
[03:48] <bts3685> brottman: start with the man and then google. TONS. i'm sure you'll get very easy guides. :) bakula is very popular.
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, I mean, I can have hardened (toolchain + libc), hardened (kernel > PAX + grsec), AND selinux
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> in gentoo
[03:48] <specialbuddy> how do I do a feisty upgrade with kubuntu?
[03:48] <johnnybuoy> and that's pretty sweet
[03:48] <brottman> bts3685: thanks, I'll dig into it.
[03:49] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: granted. but there's still the issue of configuration and source installs. i'd love to see a real-life comparison experiment between them though...
[03:49] <johnnybuoy> specialbuddy, update-manager --devel-release
[03:50] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, configuretion? well, that's a once-done thing in linux anyways, and if you really want to customise your system, for a server gentoo is the stuff...
[03:50] <johnnybuoy> for compiling...
[03:50] <specialbuddy> bash: update-manager: command not found
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> yeah, compiling is a pain in the arch, but if you have a server-farm, or just more than one server, it goes allright with distcc
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> okay, what do you call update-manager in kde?
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> !info update-manager
[03:51] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.59.15 (feisty), package size 844 kB, installed size 2076 kB
[03:51] <specialbuddy> adapt maybe
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> adept?
[03:51] <specialbuddy> !adapt-manager
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adapt-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> !info adept
[03:51] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu25 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 44 kB
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> nah
[03:51] <johnnybuoy> that's not it
[03:52] <johnnybuoy> I don't know in KDE, sorry
[03:53] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: (lol, "pain in the arch") and true! server chains, definitely. but RAIDing is a little more complex in gentoo...i don't know, i've always seen it as a distro PEREFECT for enthusiast and hobby level, as well as development/coding, and general workhorse stuff. but debian has always seemed...server-y? to me.
[03:53] <johnnybuoy> well
[03:53] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: but if debian developer community keeps pulling their middle-school-teen-drama BS, then i think i'm gonna change anyways. maybe centos..
[03:53] <johnnybuoy> I guess the ease of debian is truly unbeatable
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> centos?!
[03:54] <bts3685> yessir! lightweight, pretty secure out of box...
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> btw, does anyone have the hardware to check this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powersave/+bug/94133 ?
[03:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 94133 in powersave "ipw3945 wireless doesn't work after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:54] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i found out essentially whats causing the issues with the slow bootup for people
[03:54] <johnnybuoy> checking...
[03:54] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: so theres one issue resolved heh
[03:55] <brottman> aren't packages/ebulids in gentoo in constant motion? I always though Gentoo was the exact opposite of a Debian release
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, what package management does it use?
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> yes, well...
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> but they don't allways work..
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> and if you have a big app you need to compile, and it chokes at the end
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> it sucks...
[03:57] <bts3685> sry, phonecall.
[03:57] <johnnybuoy> bts3685, you sure? rpm? rpm after debian is like using a horse carriage on an asphalt motorway...
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> imho
[03:58] <bts3685> brottman: yes. in fact, there are no "gentoo releases" because it's so dynamic
[03:58] <bts3685> johnnybuoy: i agree. but if it's a server, set to use a stable branch...you don't need to update that much anyways ;) just security updates
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> dunno
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> depends on the server
[03:59] <johnnybuoy> if I was installing an at least 2GHz server with 1or2 gigs of ram I would go gentoo-hardened
[03:59] <Mena> !opera
[03:59] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:00] <mzuverink> I installed th ubuntu-desktop package from a server install ans then added the kubunti-desktop. Now both the kubuntu and ubunntu menus are flooded with kde and gnome apps.  If i use menueedit in gnome to thin out the gnome menus, and then do the same Kuububt, wiil that screw things uo on my menus?
[04:00] <johnnybuoy> tou can update eg. every month and still get a decent amount of updates (not too many)
[04:01] <bts3685> yeah... and if you were beowulfing or doing any clustering, i would DEFINITELY do gentoo. like, for folding or analysis or something...yeah. OH yeah, def. gentoo
[04:01] <johnnybuoy> :)
[04:01] <johnnybuoy> gentoo is unbeatable for some stuff
[04:01] <Mena> Opera wont work on 704 ...What to do
[04:02] <Mena> :(
[04:02] <Paddy_EIRE> hey guys Im sitting trying to get wireless working in some form on a new Dell Inspiron 1501 Laptop, so far I have had no success and not for a lack of trying... I have determined that the problem is the "Fn" keys "alt + F2" enables the wifi, this does not work in ubuntu
[04:02] <bts3685> Mena: install from source? :P
[04:02] <crimsun> Mena: be patient, and wait for Opera to be recompiled upstream.
[04:02] <Mena> ok
[04:02] <Mena> Thanks :)
[04:02] <bts3685> yup!
[04:02] <psyke83> hi, can someone do me a little favour please? run "speaker-test -c2 -r11050", then listen to the left and right speaker output - do they sound identical or is one higher pitched than the other?
[04:03] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: ndiswrapper yet?
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> well, is there a cannonical repo at all yet for feisty?
[04:03] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685: I wonder how do I do that
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> (no, there is not)
[04:03] <bts3685> i doubt it. when was feisty released as beta?
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> well
[04:03] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: there's lots of wikis
[04:03] <johnnybuoy> more than a week ago
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> herd6 is cancelled?
[04:04] <bts3685> yeah
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> hmm, that don't sound good..
[04:04] <ucordes> what is the pname of that network tray icon?
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685 I think thats the problem.. to many wikis, my head starts spinning
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> lol
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> ucordes, package name
[04:04] <johnnybuoy> ?
[04:04] <ucordes> process
[04:05] <johnnybuoy> nm-applet
[04:05] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: o
[04:06] <bts3685> ,oops
[04:06] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: i'm msging you. it's gonna get too complicated to go through in here
[04:10] <bts3685> ooh. it got quiet.   time for a poll!   bzip compression or gzip? preference, GO!
[04:11] <johnnybuoy> bzip2 rocks gzip
[04:11] <johnnybuoy> for most stuff
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bts3685: gzip's faster
[04:14] <Paddy_EIRE> bts3685 you still there
[04:16] <bts3685> yup! (at the shop...so i'm doing comp repairs and stuff. haha)
[04:16] <bts3685> Paddy_EIRE: i've been msging you.
[04:16] <MrKeuner> hi, does removing linux-image-generic and installing 686 help any performance? Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
[04:17] <bts3685> i like gzip because although its algorithm is slightly less compressing, it's GNU. : P
[04:23] <bts3685> i guess Paddy_EIRE got fed up...
[04:24] <RAOF> MrKeuner: Where are you getting 686 kernels? (hint: not from archive.ubuntu.com).  In short, no :)
[04:25] <specialbuddy> what's the best way to upgrade to feisty on kubuntu?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> specialbuddy: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[04:29] <MrKeuner> RAOF: there's no i686 anymore?
[04:29] <specialbuddy> Hobbsee, I'm looked at it a few times and it doesn't work
[04:29] <specialbuddy> ok I'm going to break this thing
[04:29] <Hobbsee> !doesnt work
[04:29] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:29] <RAOF> MrKeuner: Exactly, the arch-specific kernels have been replaced by -generic
[04:29] <MrKeuner> RAOF: ok thanks
[04:31] <specialbuddy> it sits on the couch all day
[04:31] <specialbuddy> I told it to get a job
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hahaha
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Hobbsee: that is the best thing i've ever read form a bot
[04:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> !cheers
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cheers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hmmm poor bot can't give cheers lol... and it deserves some for what just happened there
[04:34] <bts3685> i wonder if we can get the bot to kick us...hmm.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: *grin*
[04:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Hobbsee: talk to kkathman any?
[04:34] <bretzel> How is ralink wireless setup now ?
[04:35] <bts3685> nope. nothing.
[04:35] <bts3685> bretzel: ralink?
[04:35] <bretzel> !wireless
[04:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:36] <Stormx2> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:36] <Stormx2> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[04:36] <Stormx2> Meaning?
[04:36] <Stormx2> How can I fix that? Happens in apt-get an synaptic.
[04:37] <bretzel> yes , ralink is the driver for my D-Link 54g ( dev named ra0 ) so ralink is the module name... and in Ubuntu7.04beta - there is failure
[04:37] <bts3685> Stormx2: that usually happens if apt/synaptic/whatever is already open
[04:37] <bts3685> "ralink" makes me think of "railgun"
[04:37] <Stormx2> bts3685: it isn't
[04:38] <bts3685> Stormx2: do you have enough HDD space? is your cache size big enough?
[04:38] <Stormx2> oh
[04:38] <Stormx2> that may be the prob
[04:38] <Stormx2> how can I clear out my cache?
[04:39] <bretzel> ...and Why is NetworkManager/+/Roaming is so much imposed ????? I use Linux primary on my Desktop computer. It would be very difficult to move that computer all the time to a cafe bar ... Thus, "Roaming/Itinerant" should be an option for laptops computers ...
[04:39] <bts3685> there's no good way to do it..nor is it recommended. you CAN however kick your cache size limit up
[04:39] <bts3685> i think it's somewheres in /etc/apt/
[04:40] <bts3685> or maybe just /etc/apt
[04:40] <johnnybuoy> can anyone confirm this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/103790 ?
[04:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 103790 in util-linux "external USB HDD canno't unmout" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[04:41] <bts3685> bee arr bee! gotta check on a server and repack my pipe. (Stormx2: in the meantime, google it with debian. it was a common problem for people)
[04:47] <Stormx2> Okay
[04:47] <Stormx2> friend is going ubuntu
[04:47] <Stormx2> he's a desktop user
[04:47] <Stormx2> web browsing, etc etc
[04:47] <Stormx2> He's got an Athlon 64
[04:47] <Stormx2> Should he install the 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[04:47] <RAOF> Probably not.
[04:48] <RAOF> For web browsing, etc, it doesn't give any noticable performance benefits.
[04:48] <Stormx2> k.
[04:52] <bts3685> Stormx2: but take that with a grain of salt. 64-bit has a MUCH bigger support in terms of software available that will take advantage of it than windows
[04:52] <Stormx2> Hm.
[04:53] <bts3685> *in linux community than windows
[04:54] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[04:54] <RAOF> Everything in the repositories is 64bit.
[04:54] <RAOF> But it still doesn't gain you any performance for web browsing, email, wordprocessing, etc.
[04:55] <RAOF> (Because you could be comfortably using a 5+ year old processor for all that stuff anyway)
[04:55] <bts3685> no. definitely not. but it allows room to grow into more functionality if they should choose. : )  (but true. i agree- old system with fluxbox is the PERFECT rig for someone just checking e-mail, etc.)
[04:55] <RAOF> And evil, proprietary stuff (Flash, I'm looking at *you*) is harder to get working.
[04:56] <bts3685> oh goodness. don't utter that dirty F-word here plz. my poor ears! (eyes..?)
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> feisty!
[04:57] <cables> Will Gaim be changed to Pidgin in Feisty?
[04:58] <bts3685> lolz. not that word, johnny.
[05:02] <Arko> yawn
[05:02] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> the "f" word here is Feisty, if I know right ;)
[05:04] <bts3685> no, not the DIRTY f-word. that's "flash"
[05:04] <bts3685> haha
[05:05] <Poul^Laptop> 00000297]  main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `VP62'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format.
[05:06] <bts3685> Poul^Laptop: run "file (file you're trying to open)" for me
[05:08] <Poul^Laptop> cant, its a live steam
[05:08] <Poul^Laptop> stream.nsv
[05:09] <cables> Is Feisty going to have Pidgin or Gaim?
[05:09] <Poul^Laptop> it have gaim
[05:09] <cables> Poul^Laptop, Gaim is now Pidgin
[05:09] <cables> Will it be changed before final?
[05:09] <Poul^Laptop> :P :)
[05:09] <mycroftiv> have they even released a version though with pidgin logos?
[05:10] <Pumpernickel> It's a bit late for the name change.  They'll have it for the next release.
[05:10] <Pumpernickel> (From what I've heard.)
[05:10] <bts3685> Poul^Laptop: nsv is nullsoft's proprietary stream codec. i thought vlc could play it out of box though. do you have the proper codecs?
[05:10] <Poul^Laptop> i think so
[05:10] <bts3685> let me put it this way. can you play mp3?
[05:11] <bts3685> or wma even?
[05:11] <Poul^Laptop> what shall i searc for in the package manager bts3685
[05:13] <bts3685> ^
[05:14] <Poul^Laptop> hmm
[05:14] <Poul^Laptop> yes i can play mp3
[05:16] <bts3685> well, without being able to take a deeper look, it sounds like your vlc installation is borked a bit. did nsv play before?
[05:16] <bts3685> (gah, things are so much easier in gentoo with USE flags.)
[05:16] <Poul^Laptop> :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> cables: what's in feisty now is more or less feisty final.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> cables: The Big Freeze is on the 12th
[05:17] <bts3685> otherwise i'd guess the stream is down
[05:18] <cables> Hobbsee, ok
[05:18] <mycroftiv> Another day, another big OO update to download. Im sure the changes are just a few K of source code, too bad you cant really diff-patch a binary
[05:24] <Toma-> is gaim going to be renamed for feisty?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> why would it be?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Toma-: see what i just said to cables
[05:25] <Toma-> ok.
[05:25] <Toma-> just curious anyhoo.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> there.
[05:29] <Nick^69> hi all
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:30] <Nick^69> Hobbsee How are you ?
[05:30] <yuriy> hey Hobbsee
[05:30] <Hobbsee> heya yuriy!
[05:30] <yuriy> you haven't read about gaim being renamed?
[05:30] <inade> ROFLOL
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: good - rejecting bug reports, etc
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> aol needs to jump in a deep lake
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yuriy: nope.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yuriy: where?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/07/2014230&from=rss
[05:31] <yuriy> http://www.pidgin.im
[05:31] <Hobbsee> and we believe slashdot?
[05:31] <Nick^69> Cool same question I have Ubuntu 6.1 did not detect my wirless network
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <yuriy> Hobbsee: my link is their new official site
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: which wireless card?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[05:31] <Nick^69> I have laptop Compaq r4000
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> same news posted...
[05:32] <Hobbsee> meh.  too late to change for feisty, i expect
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: and which wireless card model?
[05:32] <Nick^69> Broadcom 802.11b/g wlan
[05:32] <Hobbsee> !broadcom
[05:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:32] <Hobbsee> see the wifidocs on broadcom
[05:32] <bts3685> they JUST had the gaim/pidgin convo in #ubuntu
[05:32] <riddlebox> Nick^69,  try sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:33] <Hobbsee> bts3685: heh.  great.
[05:33] <Nick^69> so do I have to dl and install ?
[05:33] <riddlebox> Nick^69,  try the command I typed, in a terminal
[05:34] <Hobbsee> that may work, too.
[05:34] <Nick^69> riddlebox which command ?
 Nick^69,  try sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[05:34] <Nick^69> ohh k
[05:34] <Nick^69> sorry
[05:34] <Nick^69> Thanks
[05:35] <inade> Why does Hobbsee tries to avoid #ubuntu?
[05:36] <Nick^69> I am going to install ubuntu 6.10 again then I will try this comand
[05:36] <Hobbsee> inade: because people dont search, and it annoys me.  and i have to keep booting people in there for being idiots - ie spamming, flaming, personal attacks, exploits, etc
[05:36] <riddlebox> Nick^69, if I were you I would just get the daily build of feisty and install that
[05:36] <riddlebox> then run that command, your life will be so much easier
[05:37] <Nick^69> daily build of feisty what is this ?
[05:37] <inade> I see.
[05:37] <Nick^69> sorry I am new on Linux
[05:37] <riddlebox> Nick^69, you know what fiesty is?
[05:38] <philip> is Pidgin (formerly GAIM) going to be included in feisty final?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> philip: see the /topic
[05:38] <Hobbsee> inade: and that they dont read topics, FAQs, etc, which is where most of their questiosn are likely to be answered.
[05:39] <inade> I have to give it to yous
[05:39] <Hobbsee> inade: hrm?
[05:39] <inade> Sorry, I trip in the keyboard keys.
[05:40] <Nick^69> daily build of feisty how do I install or where do I down load ?
[05:40] <inade> I have to give it to you that Ubuntu/Kubuntu has very good documentation.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ahh.  yes, it does
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !daily
[05:40] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:40] <Hobbsee> (which i think are oversized, so they wont fit on a cd)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !beta
[05:40] <ubotu> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.
[05:40] <riddlebox> Nick^69, if you google daily build of feisty it will tell you
[05:40] <Nick^69> ubotu ty
[05:40] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:40] <riddlebox> or you can follow the bots :)
[05:40] <Nick^69> riddlebox ty
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: you probably want to install the beta, and upgrade from there
[05:41] <Nick^69> Hobbsee 7.4 ?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Nick^69: 7.04, yes
[05:41] <bts3685> ubotu = best bot ever. EV.AR.
[05:42] <inade> I don't especially like Ubuntu/Kubuntu, but the documentation is worth sticking with it. JMO
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bts3685: *grin* - indeed
[05:45] <bts3685> oh man. so i was setting up a machine for a client today
[05:45] <bts3685> and
[05:45] <bts3685> listen to this:
[05:45] <bts3685> user password: impulse1oh1*
[05:45] <bts3685> root password: p0w3r0v3rwh3lm1ng~
[05:46] <bts3685> any takers on the references?
[05:46] <inade> poweroverwhelming
[05:47] <inade> can't make the user password, though.
[05:47] <bts3685> no no
[05:47] <bts3685> it's not that
[05:47] <bts3685> they're in reference to pcgames
[05:47] <riddlebox> is it a movie?
[05:47] <bts3685> poweroverwhelming = "god" cheatcode for starcraft
[05:48] <inade> oh. I keep the gaming to installing beta software...
[05:48] <bts3685> impulse 101 = "give all" code in half-life
[05:48] <bts3685> (lol at inade)
[05:49] <bts3685> i just NEEDED to share that
[05:49] <bts3685> (because i know that he's going to change them when he gets his machine)
[05:49] <inade> It's good.
[05:50] <bts3685> etc.
[05:51] <inade> We give Ubuntu LiveCDs to our M$ clients, as a little "bonus". I am amazed at how many people never heard of Linux.
[06:03] <|NewUser|> Is anyone ? i download some packages through apt-get but how to install those packages?
[06:04] <crimsun> they're already installed if you used apt-get install / aptitude install
[06:04] <|NewUser|> crimsun: if i want to check that packages installed or not how?
[06:05] <wizard> crimsun: hey, i found out what was causing that large bootup and pasted a temp fix for some people
[06:05] <wizard> crimsun: it has to do with simply dhcp timing out during "configuring network interface"
[06:05] <|NewUser|> wizard: thats the large bootup problem with me too.. fiesty going start too much late.
[06:06] <Nick^69> I am downloading feisty alternate amd 64.iso
[06:06] <wizard> |NewUser|: are you using wireless on the said computer?
[06:06] <robotgeek> hi, is kubuntu also supported here?
[06:06] <|NewUser|> wizard: no i m using Lan through hub.
[06:06] <wizard> |NewUser|: is there a wireless device at all by chance?
[06:07] <crimsun> wizard: there are numerous dupes of that bug reported.
[06:07] <|NewUser|> wizard: no wireless thingy here
[06:07] <wizard> crimsun: this solution worked for a couple people so far
[06:07] <wizard> crimsun: only trying to be a helpful guy :-(
[06:07] <wizard> |NewUser|: theres a couple steps you can take.
[06:07] <crimsun> |NewUser|: apt-cache policy, or dpkg -l
[06:07] <robotgeek> the kubuntu dist upgrade tool doesn't launch for me :(
[06:07] <robotgeek> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[06:07] <|NewUser|> crimsun: well i asked you something.. can anyhow i checked those download packages its installed or not?
[06:07] <crimsun> wizard: I'm not being curt, though it sometimes seems that way.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> crimsun: ok.
[06:08] <crimsun> |NewUser|: I just told you how.
[06:08] <wizard> first, check the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf file and check that the timeout isn't set to say, 70 seconds.
[06:08] <robotgeek> Mez: just the person i needed to talk to. did you have anything to do with the dist-upgrade tool?
[06:08] <wizard> |NewUser|: talking to you btw sorry
[06:08] <wizard> |NewUser|: if it is set to like 60 seconds or so, change it to something lower... like 20.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> wizard: nevamind. but as i said i m using no wireless thingy.
[06:09] <wizard> |NewUser|: that wont matter if dhcp is timing out
[06:09] <crimsun> wizard: err, no, the actual workaround should be to remove any stanza not referring to "lo" (loopback) from /e/n/i
[06:09] <|NewUser|> wizard: then let me check it.
[06:09] <wizard> crimsun: thats what i was doing next
[06:09] <Mez> robotgeek, no
[06:09] <wizard> crimsun: lowering the timeout can also reduce boot times when not connected
[06:09] <robotgeek> Mez: okay, thanks. do you know who to talk to?
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard: that should not be touched
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard: the root symptom is in /e/n/i
[06:10] <wizard> |NewUser|: but as crimsun said, head over to /etc/network/interfaces and filter out anything not pretaining to lo
[06:10] <|NewUser|> crimsun: well i get some weird problem with installing fonts.. And openoffice* thingy.
[06:10] <wizard> |NewUser|: that should stop it from trying to configure the client during boot.
[06:10] <AndyCR> hi, im having weird download issues
[06:11] <wizard> |NewUser|: after that try a reboot and see how the system loads then
[06:11] <wizard> i went from 3 minute loads to 25 seconds
[06:11] <AndyCR> i cant seem to complete downloads, using either firefox or epiphany
[06:11] <|NewUser|> wizard: there is already timeout 30;
[06:11] <AndyCR> they get to a random amount, then freeze
[06:11] <wizard> |NewUser|: okay, do the next step then
[06:11] <|NewUser|> wizard: what?
[06:12] <wizard> |NewUser|: in /etc/network/interfaces, comment out everything that isn't associated with 'lo'
[06:13] <|NewUser|> wizard: can i paste 3 lines in ur pm?
[06:13] <wizard> |NewUser|: just use paste :-)
[06:13] <wizard> !paste
[06:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <|NewUser|> ehh :/
[06:13] <|NewUser|> Sure.
[06:13] <wizard> im not authenticated so iunno if they'll go thru
[06:13] <wizard> robotgeek: i haven't seen you rockin' to my net radio
[06:13] <wizard> all radio'd out?
[06:13] <|NewUser|> wizard: i think u get my msgs.. but u aint reply me if u dont identify. :)
[06:14] <wizard> |NewUser|: you can go ahead and paste it in /msg then
[06:14] <robotgeek> wizard: heh, not really. i forgot to transfer your ip address to work comp :
[06:14] <wizard> but i usually prefer it on paste.
[06:14] <Mez> robotgeek, last person in the changelog ?
[06:14] <wizard> robotgeek: http://sovrad.no-ip.org:8001 ;-)
[06:14] <robotgeek> Mez: hmm, i did not look. probably ridell
[06:14] <|NewUser|> wizard: sure dude :) i m pasting there.
[06:14] <wizard> |NewUser|: alright
[06:15] <wizard> robotgeek: i haven't chatted with you in a lonngg while
[06:15] <wizard> i'll have to pop into k-o and catch up
[06:17] <wizard> did i get disconnected?
[06:18] <robotgeek> wizard: nope
[06:18] <wizard> robotgeek: oh, lol
[06:18] <wizard> i never know anymore
[06:18] <mister_roboto> what's the recommended way to enable opengl desktop now that beryl and compiz are going to merge? (or so i read)   this is in feisty
[06:19] <misfit_toy> grrrr, feisty does *not* obey keyboard mappings.
[06:19] <|NewUser|> wizard: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14518/
[06:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: i am gonna update some changes to your pastebin to show you how it should look
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: you essentially want everything other than lo commented
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14520/
[06:21] <|NewUser|> wizard: ok..
[06:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: thats how it should look
[06:22] <|NewUser|> wizard: okie when system bootup. then manully i enable it?
[06:22] <wizard> what do you use to manage your networks?
[06:22] <wizard> if you use network-manager, long as its plugged in it should be started once you log in
[06:23] <|NewUser|> wizard: okIE let me try it..
[06:23] <wizard> |NewUser|: alright :-)
[06:23] <|NewUser|> wizard: i got another weird problem .. i aint wth going there..
[06:23] <wizard> whats the other issue?
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: i just upgrade my dist through apt-get dist-upgrade some packages installed fine.. but some not going to install
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: Check This http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:24] <wizard> |NewUser|: so you didn't get all the feisty packages?
[06:24] <|NewUser|> wizard: no :< packages downloaded .. but dont know all packages not installed successfully.
[06:25] <wizard> 0,o.
[06:25] <wizard> robotgeek: can you take a peak at that paste there?
[06:26] <thompaok> heh
[06:27] <thompaok> can i change mac partition and make it home
[06:27] <wizard> thompaok: as in change an apple partition to a linux partition to use as a home folder?
[06:28] <thompaok> i would just reinstall but i got too many files
[06:29] <thompaok> if i have no home partition yet can i make one
[06:29] <robotgeek> wizard: not sure, been away from this way too long
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: absolutely.
[06:29] <thompaok> i want to remove mac os,
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: so you want to take your current partition and resize it and make a /home partition?
[06:29] <wizard> thompaok: or you want to take another partition, format it, and mount it as /home?
[06:29] <thompaok> yes and im on dual boot now
[06:30] <wizard> thompaok: you could just fire up the ubuntu liveCD, launch gparted, format the said partition to ext3 (or whatever you prefer) and mount it as /home
[06:31] <thompaok> will it transfer account info or something
[06:31] <wizard> errr... iunno about that. you're trying to retain the data from the mac harddrive?
[06:31] <wizard> s/harddrive/partition
[06:31] <thompaok> i got all the mac data on a linux ipod
[06:32] <wizard> thompaok: the method i told you would simply dump all content, format the drive, and mount it wherever you tell it to mount.
[06:33] <wizard> thompaok: are you on a ppc mac?
[06:33] <thompaok> new ibook, working real well
[06:34] <wizard> thompaok: ibooks were discontinued a bit over a year ago weren't they?
[06:34] <thompaok> but i am usinf a lazer usb mouse
[06:34] <thompaok> macbook sorry
[06:34] <wizard> cos iw as under the impression that ibooks were all ppc, and macbooks
[06:34] <wizard> ahh okkay!
[06:34] <wizard> so you're intel based. i was gonna say i am sure ppc support is coming to a close in a lot of distros'
[06:34] <thompaok> basic white model. i added to 2G
[06:35] <wizard> okay.
[06:35] <thompaok> ubuntu is faster. esp open office
[06:35] <wizard> yeah.
[06:35] <wizard> i have an older mac, i was never impressed.
[06:35] <wizard> it fell apart way too easy
[06:36] <thompaok> openoffice opens in about 2-8 secs, osx maybe 25 secs or more
[06:36] <wizard> well remember in os x open-office is running through X emulation
[06:36] <wizard> its going to be noticably slower.
[06:36] <|NewUser|> wizard: did u check my last pastebin link? damn @ thats weird when i try to install something @ that msg comes on terminal @
[06:37] <thompaok> optical mouse wont work
[06:37] <wizard> |NewUser|: yeah, i asked someone else to take a peek
[06:37] <wizard> |NewUser|: apt isn't a strong point for me
[06:37] <Chetwin> Sup all
[06:37] <thompaok> on the asus big box same problem with optical mouse
[06:37] <|NewUser|> wizard: can u do something plz :< i want to install some packages but .. damn this thingy.. going weird.
[06:38] <thompaok> wizard: the other problem was with my ipod, it wont work in osx
[06:38] <thompaok> and i had ext2 on it, in linux i could open it right away
[06:39] <Chetwin> thompaok: Your IPOD doesn't work in OSX?
[06:39] <thompaok> well it will start to work but its partition is too small i think
[06:39] <wizard> |NewUser|: i really don't know much about apt :-(
[06:39] <wizard> i'd love to help, you can see if someone else in here could point it out
[06:39] <wizard> to me it looks like maybe the cache doesn't have proper permissions? dunno
[06:39] <|NewUser|> wizard: anyhow i can fix it? i just want to upgrade my box completely.
[06:40] <shirish> is there software to mount an iso as a virtual cd/dvd -rom?
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: who would he want to talk to about apt?
[06:40] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[06:40] <thompaok> Chetwin: its a 20G ipod with podzilla and storage folder.
[06:40] <crimsun> (I've not been following)
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: his paste for his apt-get shows that it can't write to the ache
[06:40] <wizard> cache*
[06:40] <|NewUser|> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:40] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488/
[06:41] <crimsun> mount && df -h
[06:42] <shirish> crimsun is that for me?
[06:42] <thompaok> wizard: its weird but i think its working better in ubuntu right now, digicam can make web pages anyway
[06:43] <crimsun> shirish: no, that was for |NewUser|
[06:43] <wizard> i'll be back in a few, thompaok. i have to go play designated driver for a boozed friend
[06:43] <shirish> crimsun ok cool
[06:43] <|NewUser|> crimsun: its for me :S i m waiting for your reply.
[06:43] <|NewUser|> *i thaught.
[06:44] <choudesh> so what is new all?
[06:44] <thompaok> take care dude
[06:44] <crimsun> |NewUser|: no, I'm awaiting /yours/
[06:45] <|NewUser|> crimsun: Sorry For Late Reply http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14524
[06:45] <corevette> Will Feisty change Gaim's name to Pidgin?
[06:46] <shirish> only if Pidgin wants to gaim :)
[06:46] <crimsun> |NewUser|: dmesg|tail
[06:46] <Zewey> probably only in feisty+1?
[06:47] <corevette> shirish pidgin is gaim
[06:47] <|NewUser|> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14525
[06:47] <shirish> ok guys I am looking for some software which can turn an iso to an dvd,vcd an cd/dvd emulators?
[06:48] <choudesh> shirish, pidgin is the name given to any language created....seems kinda funny, huh?
[06:49] <shirish> choudesh, corevette: it sounds to be going to be those masterpieces where nobody will come to know which came first pidgim or gaim
[06:49] <r00tintheb0x> hey all
[06:49] <corevette> pidgin was created today sihrish
[06:49] <crimsun> |NewUser|: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[06:49] <corevette> shirish
[06:49] <choudesh> shirish, heh
[06:49] <shirish> ;)
[06:49] <|NewUser|> crimsun: ok i done it
[06:50] <shirish> corevette: where did u hear that ?
[06:50] <corevette> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ first news story shirish            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_%28instant_messaging_client%29
[06:50] <crimsun> away for a tick
[06:51] <shirish> corevette: reading it actually
[06:51] <|NewUser|> crimsun: now what should i do?
[06:51] <shirish> now if somebody only knows a virtual cd/dvd-rom software
[06:52] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, use mount
[06:52] <r00tintheb0x> mount -o loop /path/to/imagefile /mount/point
[06:52] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: what should I gave as mount point?
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> just make something like /media/image
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> mkdir /media/image
[06:53] <shirish> rootinthebox: and then when I want to unmount it, how do I do that
[06:53] <|NewUser|> crimsun: still i have same problem dude :< whats that?
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> shirish
[06:53] <r00tintheb0x> umount /media/image
[06:54] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: there is no graphical utility which will do the same thing?
[06:54] <wizard> |NewUser|: okay i am back... have you tried a reboot since our little modification?
[06:54] <r00tintheb0x> not too sure, you'll have to google around.
[06:55] <|NewUser|> wizard: Just this is New Modification " sudo mount -o remount,rw / "
[06:55] <|NewUser|> wizard: so i Restart for this?
[06:55] <wizard> |NewUser|: no no, i meant the network config.
[06:56] <Hidan> yeech, i'll never enable power management again. somehow, even though only the screen and not the pc, was set to turn off, something must've caused the pc to hang. bah lol
[06:56] <|NewUser|> wizard: i want to solve this isshue :< i just want to upgrade and install some apps.. but coz 0f this i aint installed anything.
[06:57] <wizard> |NewUser|: no one able to get you help?
[06:57] <|NewUser|> wizard: still not.
[06:57] <|NewUser|> *no one
[06:57] <wizard> |NewUser|: just be patient, also google around or check the ubuntu forums
[06:58] <Hidan> newuser: not able to mount volumes?
[06:58] <|NewUser|> wizard: maybe xtknight is able to help me for this. but at the time.. i g0t breakdown problem.. so he is gone.
[06:58] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, what seems to be the problem.
[06:58] <|NewUser|> Hidan: no my issue is maybe big
[06:58] <choudesh> |NewUser|, I'll fill in for xt
[06:58] <Hidan> newuser: maybe you can try looking in Launchpad.
[06:58] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14488
[06:58] <choudesh> |NewUser|, state your issue again
[06:59] <|NewUser|> choudesh: thats the problem on pastebin.
[06:59] <choudesh> |NewUser|, what is the permissions on /var/cache/apt?
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, have you tried "dpkg --reconfigure -all"
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:00] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i m new so i dont know much about linux
[07:00] <|NewUser|> choudesh: let me look
[07:00] <r00tintheb0x> try that
[07:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: thanx it works, I am reading the new wikipedia cd :)
[07:01] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, what worked?
[07:01] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure
[07:01] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, the MTU thing?
[07:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: the mount -o loop /path/to/image /mount/point
[07:02] <r00tintheb0x> good shirish
[07:02] <Hobbsee> |NewUser|: use --configure
[07:02] <|NewUser|> Hobbsee: Just want to upgrade my box with updates. c0z i install fiesty beta.
[07:02] <choudesh> Hobbsee, r00tintheb0x, |NewUser| it may be a number of issues. Out of space in /var, wrong permission for /var/cache/apt
[07:02] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I have yet to try to update the MTU thing, I know its used to fasten the internet experience
[07:03] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, just like this
[07:03] <Hidan> geez i'm really lucky konqueror's a web browser. Opera and Epiphany refuse to start. SwiftFox keeps crashing. And such are the issues of running a beta o/s. :p
[07:03] <r00tintheb0x> dpkg reconfigure -a
[07:03] <choudesh> |NewUser|, what is the output of 'df -h' and 'ls -la /var/cache/apt'
[07:04] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14525
[07:04] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: the mount thing, will it be saved lets say after I shutdown & restart the machine?
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> choudesh, thats doubtful.;
[07:04] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14524
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, you'll lose it @ reboot
[07:04] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, what was the last think you tried to install?
[07:05] <shirish> drats
[07:05] <choudesh> |NewUser|, and the permissions?
[07:05] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i think sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the last thing i did.
[07:05] <dystopianray> shirish: put a line in /etc/fstab if you want automatic mounts at boot
[07:06] <|NewUser|> choudesh: permissions ?
[07:06] <choudesh> |NewUser|, 'ls -la /var/cache/apt'
[07:07] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14530
[07:07] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, i think i figured it out
[07:07] <r00tintheb0x> are you fimiliar with bash?
[07:07] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: no i am new with linux
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray: what I want is something like poweriso used to do in windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerISO
[07:08] <r00tintheb0x> okay open up a bash shell
[07:08] <dystopianray> shirish: what part of it's functionality do you want?
[07:08] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: okie open terminal
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: the ability to graphically mount & unmount .iso
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, paste after me
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cd /etc/fonts
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cp fonts.conf fonts.conf_bak
[07:09] <shirish> dystopianray: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ is the only listed by wikipedia & that too the svn one
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> cp fonts.conf.dpk-dist fonts.conf
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> dkpg -r --force-all ttf-opensymbol
[07:09] <|NewUser|> error with copying
[07:09] <dystopianray> shirish: I don't know about graphically but it's trivial to mount in an iso from the terminal
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> ok |NewUser|
[07:09] <r00tintheb0x> hold up
[07:09] <|NewUser|> ok
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray: I have mounted it, but everytime to mount it is a pain, and everytime it is not going to be the same .iso which I might want to mount
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray: everytime in the sense, when I reboot the system
[07:10] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ttf-opensymbol"
[07:11] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: ttf-opensymbol is broken or not full installed
[07:11] <Hidan> can anyone reccommend a good set of codecs for feisty?
[07:12] <dystopianray> Hidan: what exactly do you want to be able to do?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <RAOF> Hidan: Yes.  Try to play the file in Totem, and it'll ask whether or not you want to install the decoder.
[07:13] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, "sudo aptitude install ttf-opensymbol"
[07:13] <shirish> RAOF: .wmv does not play nice with anything
[07:13] <dystopianray> shirish: do you need to have it mounted or do you just want to grab files out of the iso?
[07:13] <Hidan> roaf: oh... lol
[07:13] <shirish> dystopianray: nope needs to be mounted, it is an .iso which is meant to be burnt
[07:13] <RAOF> shirish: It *should* play nice with totem-gstreamer and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[07:14] <Hidan> dystopianray: i'm just trying to play a .mov file... my system had some error messages while trying to shut down last night. And i captured it with a digicam.
[07:14] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: same failed to write cache. All things. same as apt-get
[07:14] <shirish> dystopianray: i am not being difficult, it is software, which needs a proper index & stuff
[07:14] <dystopianray> shirish: i never said you were being difficult
[07:14] <dystopianray> shirish: I don't know how to ease user mounting of iso images, I think there is a specification for that for some future ubuntu release
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: well there is .wmv which is sitting there, playing it in totem, gives an error
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: using vlc it just plays the music, no picture
[07:15] <RAOF> shirish: Aaah, the joys of proprietary *everything*.
[07:15] <shirish> RAOF: yup I know lol
[07:15] <dystopianray> shirish: the forums mention some nautilus scripts to perform mounting and unmounting of iso images with gksudo
[07:16] <shirish> dystopianray: can u hunt down that specs
[07:16] <RAOF> Wow, medibuntu's ffmpeg is *ancient*
[07:16] <RAOF> It's, like, from *last year* :P
[07:16] <dystopianray> shirish: no, but you can
[07:16] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: if u want to Check whats happening i can paste it agian on pastebin.
[07:16] <shirish> dystopianray: what should I look for?
[07:16] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: but all thing goes like apt
[07:17] <shirish> dystopianray: also what keyword/string should I be using in forums?
[07:17] <dystopianray> shirish 'ubuntu user iso mount' maybe
[07:17] <shirish> dystopianray: ok hang on
[07:18] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, is this edgy or fiesty?
[07:18] <dystopianray> shirish: ok I found the spec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageMounting
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:19] <shirish> dystopianray: thanx, looking at it, I do hope there is a subscribe thing there
[07:19] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: i m using fiestybeta.. thats why want to upgrade my box with updates
[07:19] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, do this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: again same " Failed to write cache
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[07:20] <r00tintheb0x> every command is " Failed to write cache"?
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: :>
[07:20] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: yes.. every cmd. and anything if i want to install something.. then same thing happens.
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> try mount
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> same thing?
[07:21] <|NewUser|> mount ?
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> just type
[07:21] <r00tintheb0x> mount
[07:22] <choudesh> r00tintheb0x, I see what you are doing. I can't explain his cache issue either
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> did it work?
[07:22] <|NewUser|> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14531
[07:22] <r00tintheb0x> i can explain it.
[07:22] <|NewUser|> *r00tintheb0x
[07:22] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: check this url.
[07:22] <|NewUser|> yes it works
[07:22] <choudesh> heh. good job r00tintheb0x
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, can i ssh into your machine and try to fix it?
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> this is a tough one
[07:23] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: yes u can .. but im new so i dont know how u can connect to my machine. guide. me
[07:23] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, are you behind a router?
[07:24] <|NewUser|> r00tintheb0x: no
[07:24] <r00tintheb0x> |NewUser|, join #ub3rl33t
[07:25] <shirish> RAOF: how did u find that medibuntu ffmpeg is *ancient* ?
[07:28] <RAOF> The package name.
[07:28] <RAOF> It includes the SVN revision it's based on.
[07:28] <Sebastian> Any idea why an update wants to pull in loads of KDE packages for Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) now?
[07:29] <wlx> Sebastian, I have the same problem
[07:29] <RAOF> Sebastian: Yup.  openoffice.org-style-crystal includes "kde-icons-crystal" in its Recommends: line.
[07:29] <RAOF> And kde-icon-crystal includes... etc.
[07:29] <Sebastian> Okay, so it's a dependency issue.
[07:29] <wlx> RAOF, is this a bug or a feature?
[07:30] <RAOF> Bug, I'd expect.
[07:30] <RAOF> But I haven't actually checked to see if it's filed.
[07:30] <wlx> RAOF, have you reported it?
[07:31] <wlx> RAOF, I searched and found nothing
[07:31] <Hobbsee> aieeee....who did *that*?
[07:32] <wizard> robotgeek: are you in k-o?
[07:33] <CpuWhiz> I installed the kubuntu feisty beta, ran all the updates and installed the restricted manager and it said "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers" even tho I have a nvidia card and a broadcom.
[07:33] <CpuWhiz> am I missing somthing?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> wlx: give me a sec
[07:35] <shirish> ok anybody having the time jump by 15-20 mins. after being feisty is on for some hrs.
[07:35] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, is it a legacy nvidia card?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> wlx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104176
[07:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends  kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [High,Confirmed] 
[07:35] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: FX Go5600
[07:36] <r00tintheb0x> i'd say not
[07:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/
[07:36] <wlx> Hobbsee, thanks
[07:37] <shirish> bug #104091
[07:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 104091 in gnome-panel "time jumps ahead 10-20 minutes no matter the ntp server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104091
[07:37] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, what comes up in "lspci"
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go5600]  (rev a1)
[07:38] <shirish> somebody else has filed it, if anybody also sees the same issue, feel free to confirm it, it is an annoyance
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz,
[07:38] <r00tintheb0x> dmesg |grep NV |more
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: [    0.000000]   BIOS-e820: 000000001ff7b000 - 000000001ff80000 (ACPI NVS)
[07:38] <CpuWhiz> just the one line
[07:38] <Hobbsee> wlx: marked as critical.  i'm considering fixing it now...
[07:40] <Hobbsee> flipping heck...   Need to get 309MB of source archives.
[07:40] <Hobbsee> that's just the source!
[07:41] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: would it matter that I used aptitude to install the restricted-manager package instead of the checkbox in Add/Remove?
[07:42] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, restricted manager package?
[07:43] <CpuWhiz> yeah, I installed it via aptitude instead of the checkbox in the Add/Remove GUI
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> that doesn't matter.
[07:43] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are you decient with the command line?
[07:43] <CpuWhiz> yes
[07:44] <wlx> Hobbsee, yes, I do think so.
[07:44] <CpuWhiz> I just wanted to let you know I installed it via the non-standard way, just to be on the safe side
[07:44] <Hobbsee> wlx: but it's openoffice...
[07:44] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are you decient with the command line?
[07:44] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: already said I was
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> ok whip it open.
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> sudo -i
[07:45] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, "aptitude search nvidia"
[07:45] <CpuWhiz> yeah, i figured that much already :)
[07:46] <CpuWhiz> which package are you looking for
[07:46] <cntb> \o .still shouldn't use Feisty on Production Systems ?
[07:46] <r00tintheb0x> anything with an I to the left if it.
[07:46] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, technically no... but it's fairly stable by now.
[07:47] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx (I installed that one)
[07:47] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, "aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx"
[07:47] <cntb> is beryl-compiz included?
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, they're in the repositories, yes.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> cntb: beryl-compiz?
[07:48] <cntb> is there an windows -> ubuntu satisfying transition?
[07:48] <CpuWhiz> we going to let it remove the restricted packages then?
[07:48] <cntb> tyvm FunnyLookinHat
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, but they are two separate packages...  one is beryl, another is compiz.
[07:48] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, have you already uncommented the restricted repositories out of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:48] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, yes for now
[07:48] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, worked well for me, basically copied all of my personal documents over without a hitch
[07:48] <CpuWhiz> i have not touched it yet
[07:49] <CpuWhiz> i thought this was supposed to be a point and click thing in feisty :D
[07:49] <cntb> FunnyLookinHat: I heard from pricey IIRC they may converge
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> it is
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> cntb: yes, but not done for feisty
[07:49] <FunnyLookinHat> cntb, right now it is the plan...    : )
[07:49] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: done
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[07:49] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, are all sources enabled in your sources.list?
[07:50] <CpuWhiz> let me check
[07:50] <CpuWhiz> main and restricted
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> you want me to add the other 2?
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, so you have no "# deb"
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> they're all uncommented?
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> nvm, multiverse and universe is
[07:51] <r00tintheb0x> uncomment them all
[07:51] <CpuWhiz> the only thing commented is backports
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> bleh
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz,
[07:52] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude install linux-restricted-modules nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig
[07:52] <CpuWhiz> i wasn't looking very hard, the multiverse and universe were on other lines :D
[07:52] <Ubuntulator> hi all
[07:53] <Ubuntulator> where can i find more info about avahl ?
[07:53] <jkfls> Hi, after installing feisty from livecd (which loaded gnome just fine without error), I'm having xsession errors with every desktop I've tried loading (fluxbox, gnome, kde) using nv or vesa drivers for xorg; it just goes back to login with loading desktop.
[07:53] <dystopianray> jkfls: what are the errors?
[07:53] <CpuWhiz> nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig are conflicting with nvidia-glx and it doesn't want to install nvidia-glx
[07:53] <r00tintheb0x> no
[07:54] <dystopianray> CpuWhiz: nvidia-setings and nvidia-xconfig come with nvidia-glx
[07:54] <r00tintheb0x> aptitude install linux-restricted-modules nvidia-glx
[07:54] <jkfls> dystopianray: what's written in .xsession-errors : /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp; etc/gdm/Presession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp - x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "jen" ; /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup....
[07:54] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[07:54] <CpuWhiz> then don't add them to your command :D
[07:54] <Ubuntulator> !avahl
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <dystopianray> !avahi
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <dystopianray> Ubuntulator: it's avahi not avahl
[07:55] <r00tintheb0x> my bad
[07:55] <Ubuntulator> ahh ok
[07:55] <Ubuntulator> yeah the font used on the ubuntu web site is nasty
[07:55] <CpuWhiz> it's wanting to install the 386 kernel btw
[07:56] <r00tintheb0x> yeah let it do it.
[07:56] <jkfls> dystopianray: any idea? i'm trying to run on a sony vaio w/ nvidia
[07:57] <CpuWhiz> i get to reboot now huh
[07:58] <Ubuntulator> any how i was wondering if avahi  will solve the issues that edgy and some apps have with mounting network shares with out having to use the samba monut work around?
[07:58] <CpuWhiz> or did u want to do something else first
[07:58] <CpuWhiz> like the xorg conf
[07:58] <dystopianray> jkfls: at what point did this error start appearing?
[07:58] <dystopianray> Ubuntulator: most likely not
[07:59] <Ubuntulator> ouch
[07:59] <jkfls> dystopianray: the first time i've loaded ubuntu from hdd after installing it from livedvd
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, i'll be back in 15
[07:59] <r00tintheb0x> gotta get some cigs
[08:00] <Ubuntulator> its a major issue and it will most likly be what stops me from switching all my PC's to linux
[08:00] <Ubuntulator> commannd line samba is not an option for the females in the house
[08:01] <DanaG> !pidgin
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <DanaG> Will the name of Gaim change in Feisty?
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG, in the next release after feisty probably
[08:07] <Hobbsee> DanaG: see /topic
[08:07] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:07] <DanaG> I think that's kind of a good thing not to have the name change yet.
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> It will be changed in the next release when we sync the new version of GAIM over.  : )
[08:08] <DanaG> s/latest/latest versions of SOME things/
[08:09] <DanaG> Not bleeding-edge hardware, for sure.  I
[08:09] <DanaG> s/I//
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, you there?
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> yes
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> check it out
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> I have 3d working now, so let's just skip to the broadcom driver
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> LOL!
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> rockin
[08:12] <jkfls> dystopianray_: do you have any idea what i could do?
[08:12] <r00tintheb0x> whats the chip on the broadcom
[08:12] <CpuWhiz> the one that always gives me grief is the wifi
[08:13] <dystopianray_> jkfls: at what point did the error messages start appearing?
[08:13] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[08:13] <DanaG> 2.6.21 is funny: it lets me turn my backlight entirely OFF.
[08:13] <jkfls> dystopianray_: after i started loading ubuntu from hdd after installing from livedvd
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, join #ub3rl33r
[08:14] <jkfls> dystopianray_: it loaded fine from livedvd, but desktop never loaded when i tried running off hdd
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> this'll take a min
[08:14] <dystopianray_> jkfls: oh, I don't know what the problem could be
[08:14] <jkfls> dystopianray_: should i reinstall ubuntu??
[08:14] <r00tintheb0x> CpuWhiz, did you hear?
[08:14] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: were u going to join that channel?
[08:15] <dystopianray_> jkfls: well I can only assume it'll lead to the same problem...
[08:15] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[08:15] <r00tintheb0x> im already there
[08:15] <r00tintheb0x> i want you to join it
[08:15] <jkfls> dystopianray_: so why would it have no problem loading from livedvd? :/
[08:15] <dystopianray_> jkfls: no idea
[08:16] <CpuWhiz> r00tintheb0x: on freenode? freenode whois says your not...
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> #ub3rl33t
[08:16] <r00tintheb0x> im there
[08:16] <dystopianray_> jkfls: does the dvd install differently from the cd?
[08:17] <jkfls> i didn't try the cd, i was using the dvd. everything worked so i assume it'd be fine
[08:18] <dystopianray_> jkfls: did you verify the dvd after it was burnt, to ensuer it is free of errors?
[08:19] <jkfls> dystopianray_: no, i didn't. everything seemed to install fine and work fine booting from disk though. ill just try verifying in the morning, i suppose..
[08:20] <dystopianray_> jkfls: all you need to do is put the dvd in a dvdrom drive and calculate it's md5sum
[08:20] <jkfls> dystopianray_: does that take long?
[08:20] <dystopianray_> jkfls: depends how fast your drive is
[08:21] <dystopianray_> jkfls: and how big the livedvd is
[08:21] <dystopianray_> jkfls: it has to read all the data from the dvd
[08:21] <dystopianray_> maybe 10-15 mins at most
[08:21] <jkfls> 4gb
[08:22] <joshua_> hi all -- I just installed Feisty on a new laptop, and I took notes on what I thought as I went through the installation process; in particular, about the user interface. is there a list akin to debian-installer where I should be submitting feedback?
[08:22] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what problems did you have?
[08:23] <joshua_> a bunch of little wording/interface things, but the only really big thing that I had to turn off new user mode for was resizing my Vista partition
[08:23] <dystopianray_> new user mode?
[08:23] <jkfls> Also, anyone here that can help me with beryl on an ati/gnome/feisty system? :-[
[08:23] <joshua_> evidently the NTFS partition was not clean, and so it either failed to resize it, or on the second try didn't give me the otpion
[08:24] <joshua_> new user mode is when I stop thinking like a Linux user and start thinking like a Windows user
[08:24] <dystopianray_> joshua_: it wouldn't resize the partition?
[08:25] <joshua_> it would not do so. I installed gparted, and tried through there
[08:25] <joshua_> turned out that my issues were twofold. I was trying to resize the partition to be smaller than I had space for the first time -- I got a generic failure when I tried that. I booted windows and cleared up some space, and got frustrated when Windows was sitting there for ages "Shutting down...", and hard rebooted the machine
[08:26] <joshua_> that left the NTFS unclean, and I got another generic failure when I tried to resize
[08:26] <dystopianray_> joshua_: generic failures did not give adequate error messages?
[08:26] <joshua_> nope
[08:26] <joshua_> I believe it just told me that it failed to resize it
[08:27] <joshua_> more reasonable might have been parsing the ntfsresize output and determining that it failed because the filesystem was not clean, and then telling me to boot into windows and click on something or other on the Ubuntu CD which would be a wrapper for chkdsk /f
[08:28] <dystopianray_> yes that sounds like a good idea
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> how can i do an ugly upgrade from edgy to fiesty?
[08:28] <r00tintheb0x> replace my sources.list with fiesty?
[08:28] <joshua_> other non-wording issues -- seems like NetworkManager should probably default to picking out the strongest wireless network if it can. why make me do it when it can possibly do it on its own?
[08:29] <dystopianray_> joshua_: I don't think it's supposed to pick any network by default
[08:29] <crimsun> joshua_: what if that's not the network that one wants?
[08:29] <joshua_> I guess it couold go either way. it's not obvious how to get it to connect to a network
[08:30] <crimsun> joshua_: think: an AP that doesn't broadcast its essid
[08:30] <joshua_> crimsun, yeah, I guess in an apartment complex or something then you could get undesirable behavior.
[08:30] <joshua_> sure, that is another case where you could lose
[08:31] <joshua_> that one could go either way. if I didn't know about networkmanager beforehand, though, there's no chance I would've figured out to left-click on the two black boxes with the X, though
[08:32] <joshua_> hmm, why can't linux-image-2.6.20-13-386, linux-restricted-modules-*, and nvidia-glx be authenticated?
[08:32] <DanaG> nm-applet needs a status thingy like knetworkmanager has.
[08:32] <dystopianray_> status?
[08:33] <DanaG> (oh, and use generic instead of i386.)
[08:33] <DanaG> Try knetworkmanager.  It has more useful info.
[08:33] <joshua_> DanaG, I just used the restricted drivers application to do my bidding
[08:33] <dystopianray_> DanaG: I use kubuntu and knetworkmanager, are you talking abou the popup bubble thing?
[08:34] <crimsun> joshua_: use another mirror.
[08:34] <DanaG> Yeah, and the on-hover in the menu.
[08:34] <joshua_> as long as we are on about popup bubbles... one of the big things that Ubuntu has going for it is that it is a very clean desktop on boot; the first impression when the user walks up to their system after it's booted is that it hasn't got any cruft.
[08:34] <dystopianray_> I don't like the on-hover in the menu, it should show the same details when you hover over the knetworkmanager icon
[08:35] <joshua_> therefore, the Restricted Drivers popup is very dangerous. aside from being poorly proofread, it makes the desktop look sloppy -- prone to having things pop up and whine, a la Windows.
[08:36] <r00tintheb0x> i'd just like to let all you freaks now, im upgrading to fiesty so i can help you all w/your problems.
[08:36] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:36] <fb33> wow. I just triple booted via ntbldr. linux xp vista
[08:36] <joshua_> when I was reading that wiki page, there were some ideas for having that pop up on the /second/ boot, instead of the first; that seemed more sane to me...
[08:36] <fb33> I should write a tutorial
[08:36] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what if the person never reboots?
[08:37] <dystopianray_> joshua_: I would hate it if random things started happening after arbitrary numbers of reboots
[08:37] <joshua_> yeah, I guess.
[08:37] <joshua_> it seems bad to have that on the very first impression of the system.
[08:38] <fb33> anyone else dp that?
[08:38] <joshua_> clean, happy, calming sound boot sounds, and -- your hardware is non-Free! it can't be supported! your system will be unstable! the world is coming to an end!
[08:38] <fb33> just thought it was interesting
[08:39] <dystopianray_> can you get ntldr to load amigados?
[08:41] <t3hwiz0rd> if i boot from liveCD can i resize my / partition with little error?
[08:42] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, to install ubuntu on a windows drive?
[08:42] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:42] <dystopianray_> no I think he wants to resize a linux partition
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: no no, i need to resize my home to give more to root
[08:42] <joshua_> t3hwiz0rd, you should always back up your data before diddling with partitions. if you wish to resize ext3 or reiserfs (which is what I'd assume / would be), then you should be able to
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> root partition was made too small
[08:42] <joshua_> you'll want to install gparted in the livecd environment.
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> well fortunately i don't care about this data
[08:42] <t3hwiz0rd> its a brand new week old install
[08:43] <t3hwiz0rd> and i've been breaking it daily lol
[08:43] <RAOF> t3hwiz0rd: Make it on LVM, and you can dynamically resize your root.
[08:43] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, paste me "fdisk -l" to http://pastebin.ca
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> ubuntu doesn't have lvm out of the box does it?
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> as an isntallable option?
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> on the server CD
[08:44] <t3hwiz0rd> fdisk -l didn't return anything?
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:44] <r00tintheb0x> sudo fdisk -l
[08:45] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14542/
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, same for /etc/fstab
[08:46] <RAOF> Yeah, on the server (or "Alternate" CD).  Either of those will let you do root-on-LVM
[08:46] <t3hwiz0rd> you want to see my fstab?
[08:46] <r00tintheb0x> oh yeah
[08:46] <beg1689> my internet is acting strange
[08:46] <urban> Anyone have any experience with grub error 17?
[08:46] <beg1689> maybe just ISP maintenence or something... but everything is going real slow i cant open any webpages in less than a minute or two
[08:47] <dystopianray_> beg1689: every website is slow?
[08:47] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14543/
[08:47] <beg1689> yes
[08:47] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, any specific reason you partitioned it like that?
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> to have root and home separate?
[08:48] <beg1689> im gonna try rebooting to see if some program messed itup...
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> windows was installed first.
[08:48] <beg1689> cant evne read that paste
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> windows also needed more sapce.
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> space
[08:48] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[08:48] <t3hwiz0rd> why whats wrong with it?
[08:48] <r00tintheb0x> you can try using gpartd
[08:49] <dystopianray_> the gparted livecd is good
[08:49] <r00tintheb0x> its just a jacked up desktop partitioning scheme in my eyes
[08:49] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: how?
[08:49] <dystopianray_> t3hwiz0rd: try this: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:49] <RAOF> That fstab looks fine to me.
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> Why didnt you make  /dev/hda1 (windows) however big you wanted it
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> /dev/hda2 swap
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> /dev/hda3 home
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> the system is an asus
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> i didn't realize until after install they have a hidden recovery partition
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, that has nothing to do w/it.
[08:50] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> all i did was resize windows
[08:50] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: Because then you've run out of primary partitions.
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> then make swap
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> root
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> home
[08:50] <t3hwiz0rd> then when i booted
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> to linux... i discovered this recovery partition mounted
[08:51] <r00tintheb0x> RAOF, how do you figure.
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: i've intended to format the windows drive that came with the laptop, in fear that asus would of packed it full of crap
[08:51] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: He's got 1 windows partition, 1 recovery partition.  + Root + home + swap = 5 primary partitions.
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> now... in essence, they kinda did
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> but not really
[08:51] <t3hwiz0rd> just the asus software was on it
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> RAOF, i missed the "recovery"
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> ugh
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> well
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, paste me
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> ideally when feisty comes out
[08:52] <r00tintheb0x> df -h
[08:52] <RAOF> r00tintheb0x: Even without that recovery partition, you don't want to have 4 primary partitions & no extended partition :(
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> i will reformat installing windows first on the entire drive
[08:52] <t3hwiz0rd> then resize it, make swap, root, home
[08:52] <beg1689> reboot seems to have fixed it.. now i have to figure out what cuased it
[08:53] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14544/
[08:54] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: so i mean the only reason its done so sloppy-like is cos i had no idea what asus did with that mysterious 1gb drive.] 
[08:55] <joshua_> Please enter your password to access problem reports of system programs
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> yeah i see.
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, i'd sugguest.
[08:55] <joshua_> that seems like somethinig that 1) needs a period and 2) I shouldn't have to do
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> you go into fdisk and make a /dev/hdb
[08:55] <r00tintheb0x> and install on to that.
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: what i plan to do is dust the entire harddrive start with a full 100gb windows install
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> then work from there
[08:56] <Hidan> bah computers are so troublesome sometimes.
[08:56] <r00tintheb0x> but as far as expanding partitions, i think ubuntu has a partition magic of sort
[08:56] <t3hwiz0rd> gparted
[08:57] <dystopianray_> joshua_: what problem reports are these?
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> see i was going to wipe the drive the first day i got the computer simply cos i prefer oem copies of xp pro instead of manufacture released.
[08:57] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, noooo
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> ?
[08:57] <r00tintheb0x> install windows on like a 60GB partition, and ubuntu on the rest.
[08:57] <t3hwiz0rd> why not just resize after beginning the ubuntu-install?
[08:57] <joshua_> dystopianray_, networkmangler crashed; I'm assuming it was an artifact of something changing behind its back while after I ran a system  upgrade.
[08:57] <dystopianray_> probably
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, ive had good results letting ubuntu do that yes.,
[08:58] <joshua_> if it happens again, then I'll do something about it
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: thats what i'll do when the time comes
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> for now, i want to just play with the laptop some more and get to know it better
[08:58] <joshua_> it shouldn't've crashed, but I probably can't reproduce it without reinstallingn the system
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> :) cool
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> then start to tinker after.
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> word
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> so i am gonna boot to windows and play some video games lol
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> i'll catch ya'll
[08:58] <r00tintheb0x> im upgrading from edgy to fiesty as we speak
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> r00tintheb0x: good luck
[08:59] <urban> grub error 17 anybody?
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> i get no sound on -14 kernel
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> t3hwiz0rd, im a guru ;)
[08:59] <DanaG> I triple boot XP, Vista, Feisty.
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> vista
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> why would you tripple-boot with vista?
[08:59] <DanaG> Grub chains to ntldr or to Vista's bootmgr.
[08:59] <t3hwiz0rd> you hate life or something? lol
[08:59] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[08:59] <DanaG> But Vista => XP is not set up.
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> i mean i'll hand it to microsux a little bit.
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> XP pro was their best to date
[09:00] <t3hwiz0rd> vista blew it
[09:00] <DanaG> Oh, and I swap my logon and logoff sounds in Gnome -- it sounds MUCH nicer that way.
[09:00] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[09:00] <urban> so no one has seen this error before?
[09:00] <DanaG> Vista is lame: removes IP-over-1394,
[09:00] <DanaG> removes gameports,
[09:01] <DanaG> removes DirectSound 3D (which is GOOD for Linux -- forces OpenAL!)
[09:01] <t3hwiz0rd> i am gonna install beryl and see how it works
[09:02] <t3hwiz0rd> i hear it works good these days
[09:02] <dystopianray_> DanaG: directsound3d is still in vista, it just doens't do hardware acceleration
[09:02] <RAOF> Yup, about as well as compiz :)
[09:03] <t3hwiz0rd> okay
[09:03] <t3hwiz0rd> brb
[09:03] <DanaG> Creative == ouch.
[09:03] <Ali_ix> t3hwiz0rd give compiz a try, with extra lugins, it look mostlyas bery and more stable and faster than beryl
[09:03] <urban> so i can't boot ubuntu right now.
[09:03] <urban> or windows.
[09:03] <urban> just live cds.
[09:03] <DanaG> Hah, google for "feisty pidgin" without quotes: a feisty, pidgin-speaking Hawaiian of power, humor, and insight. .
[09:04] <wizard> hmm
[09:04] <wizard> with beryl i get no window boarders
[09:04] <wizard> any ideass?
[09:05] <wizard> no title bars
[09:05] <urban> ok i can't boot my computer and you want title bars?
[09:05] <Ali_ix> wizard: beryl is realy unstable, check compiz if you need stable window manager
[09:05] <micahcowan> wizard, gtk-window-decorator needs to run as well.
[09:05] <wizard> even in compis no windows
[09:05] <gradin> hi all
[09:05] <micahcowan> I usually run beryl-manager, which seems to do better than just running beryl directly.
[09:05] <Ali_ix> urban: he is talking abut his problem, not yours
[09:06] <Ali_ix> wizard: did you instal vga drivers?
[09:06] <micahcowan> wizard, I can't get window borders with compiz ATM either.
[09:06] <wizard> micahcowan: when i seleect compiz or beryl i get no window titles
[09:06] <gradin> i've got a really weird issue reguarding lockups involving dhcdbd
[09:06] <wizard> Ali_ix: i have my 3d drivers and i followed the wiki
[09:06] <gradin> the weird part is that my ip is set statically
[09:06] <micahcowan> wizard, see what happens if you run gtk-window-decorator by hand, from a term
[09:06] <urban> i bet this would go away if  just uninstall linux
[09:06] <gradin> !pastebin
[09:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:07] <urban> and give the mbr back to windows
[09:07] <wizard> "tk-window-decorator: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[09:07] <urban> and just use windows.
[09:07] <gradin> heres a link to the log
[09:07] <gradin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14545/
[09:07] <Ali_ix> urban: you can fix mbr to  boot windows
[09:08] <Ali_ix> urban: boot from a bootabl cd with cmd prompt or with xp installation cd in recovery mode and type fixmbr or fdisk .mbr
[09:08] <Ali_ix> *fdisk /mbr
[09:08] <urban> i think that's what i was saying. i really wanted ubuntu to work.
[09:09] <Ali_ix> urban: i am not guru in grub and bootloaders, but i guess you have changed some partiotions so grub cant find the root
[09:09] <urban> it seems like this happens a lot when there are 2 hard drives and grub is installed on the hard drive with windows.
[09:10] <Ali_ix> urban: the common way is to boot up with live cd and repair the grub, check community fo how tos: ubuntuforums.org
[09:10] <DanaG> nice: http://www.fslog.com/
[09:10] <urban> yeah. i pretty much tried every way i could find on google.
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh, for missing titlebars:\
[09:10] <DanaG> using nvidia?
[09:10] <wizard> okay
[09:10] <wizard> i got it workin now!
[09:10] <DanaG> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[09:10] <gradin> damnit
[09:10] <gradin> i figured it out...
[09:10] <wizard> beryl seems to rotate the cube slowly
[09:11] <gradin> fragin avhi dies when exposed to packets from "strange" hostnames
[09:12] <urban> Error 17:  This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[09:12] <DanaG> yay, 99% of my packages suddenly became marked new.
[09:13] <Ali_ix> lol
[09:16] <wizard> yeah whoa beryl is still slow
[09:17] <NewUser`> wizard: i done it my self :)
[09:18] <NewUser`> now all things working fine
[09:18] <NewUser`> no error nothing in updating or installing
[09:18] <wizard> its just laggy
[09:18] <wizard> its not fast
[09:19] <|NewUser|> :S
[09:19] <wizard> well bye bye beryl
[09:19] <wizard> you were cute while you lasted.
[09:19] <|NewUser|> wizard. wb
[09:19] <wizard> |NewUser|: thank you... but i am going to be leaving again lol
[09:19] <wizard> i feel the urge to play counter-strike source
[09:20] <wizard> if anyone wants to join?? lol
[09:20] <|NewUser|> i just reading forums n get help my self :)
[09:20] <|NewUser|> hehe Nevamind :) then byE :)
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: awesome,. sometimes thats the best way
[09:20] <wizard> i really wish i could of been more helpful on apt
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: i am still logged in i think..
[09:20] <|NewUser|> wizard :) can ya play with me ? with challenge :>
[09:20] <wizard> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: << there i be
[09:20] <wizard> |NewUser|: on CSS?
[09:20] <|NewUser|> yes CS 1.7
[09:21] <wizard> |NewUser|: oh, i play source.
[09:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> |NewUser|: i am still here tho if you need me :-)
[09:21] <O_o> bah...
[09:21] <|NewUser|> ooo source..
[09:21] <Ali_ix> !offtopic | wizard |NewUser|
[09:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> |NewUser|: yeah source is good
[09:21] <ubotu> wizard |NewUser|: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[09:21] <urban> i hate grub right now.
[09:21] <O_o> ooh yeah grub can give pple plenty of problems sometimes.
[09:21] <urban> error 17 is the ultimate death.
[09:22] <|NewUser|> nevamind will talk to ya later.. :)
[09:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> |NewUser|: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:22] <|NewUser|> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: htanks man :)
[09:22] <|NewUser|> *thanks
[09:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> np, you can chat with me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:23] <gradin> ... how detrimental to a system would it be to remove avahi from a system?
[09:23] <RAOF> gradin: You'd lose quite a bit of ubuntu-desktop, I think.
[09:23] <gradin> crap i was afraid of that...
[09:23] <RAOF> But it could work.  A much better idea, of course, is to file a bug and get the avahi package fixed :)
[09:23] <Eleaf> hiii
[09:24] <Eleaf> avahi!!
[09:24] <gradin> RAOF: the bugs already been filed
[09:24] <VirhYl3> damn, I somehow lost beryl.
[09:24] <Eleaf> so avahi isn't in edgy I guess right?
[09:24] <VirhYl3> how should I attempt getting it back?  This brown color is making me ill.
[09:24] <RAOF> gradin: Awesome.  Good :)
[09:24] <Eleaf> what's the best way to test avahi out, to see what is published?
[09:24] <r00tintheb0x> upgraded without a hitch
[09:24] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yeah, avahi's in Edgy.  But not doing quite so much by default
[09:25] <gradin> RAOF: but i cannot have this box going down eveytime it recieves a malformed mdns entry
[09:25] <DanaG> Eleaf: service-discovery-applet
[09:25] <Eleaf> I have to install it?
[09:25] <DanaG> lists everything that you can see on the local network.
[09:25] <DanaG> Yeah.
[09:25] <DanaG> !info service-discovery-applet
[09:25] <ubotu> service-discovery-applet: service discovery applet based on avahi for the GNOME panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 55 kB, installed size 344 kB
[09:25] <RAOF> gradin: Yeah.  Right.  At worst, you could probably stop avahi from running on startup.
[09:25] <DanaG> Or avahi-discover, if you want to see details of IPs.
[09:25] <RAOF> That'd stop zeroconf stuff working, but wouldn't kill too much.
[09:25] <Eleaf> cool
[09:26] <RAOF> gradin: You'd probably want to check /etc/avahi or /etc/default/avahi or such.
[09:26] <r00tintheb0x> im gonna reboot it though
[09:26] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[09:26] <gradin> RAOF: well i've got the ip address set statically anyway...
[09:26] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[09:26] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:26] <VirhYl3> tried a ctrl+alt+bckspce
[09:26] <VirhYl3> didn't work.
[09:26] <Eleaf> DanaG, I run service-discovery-applet but nothing happens.
[09:26] <DanaG> It's an add-to-panel thing.
[09:26] <gradin> RAOF: so its not like i need it
[09:27] <Eleaf> okay... now I can't terminate it ;)
[09:27] <RAOF> gradin: Well, the killswitch is almost certainly in one of those places in /etc :)
[09:27] <Eleaf> cool DanaG
[09:27] <Eleaf> but it says no services found DanaG
[09:28] <DanaG> It's fun to see "Some Random Person's Powerbook G4 (mac address)" appear.
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> ok i upgraded from edgy to fiesty by putting fiesty into my sources.list
[09:28] <Eleaf> DanaG, I even put "browse services published on this machine" but it shows nothing.
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> and did a dist-upgrade
[09:28] <Eleaf> is that supposed to happen?
[09:28] <r00tintheb0x> worked perfectly.
[09:28] <Eleaf> Wouldn't it show ssh or something..?
[09:28] <gradin> RAOF: yeah i know how to kill it i was just amazed that a bug like that made it that far into feisty
[09:29] <RAOF> Maybe not many people have stuff that send broken mdns responses?
[09:29] <Eleaf> it's definetely not seeing anything DanaG
[09:29] <DanaG> got to go.
[09:29] <DanaG> Bedtime.
[09:29] <Eleaf> yeah, at my school if I run an mdns discovery tool, I see like 2000 computers.
[09:29] <Eleaf> baahh..
[09:30] <Eleaf> But DanaG this doesn't work.
[09:30] <VirhYl3> there are still a lot of bugs in Feisty.
[09:30] <Eleaf> but this is an applet
[09:30] <DanaG> There's also
[09:30] <DanaG> !info avahi-discover
[09:30] <ubotu> avahi-discover: Service discover user interface for avahi. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.17-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 108 kB
[09:30] <DanaG> !info mdns-scan
[09:30] <ubotu> mdns-scan: Scan for mDNS/DNS-SD services published on the local network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1 (feisty), package size 10 kB, installed size 68 kB
[09:30] <DanaG> the former is GUI, the latter is console.
[09:31] <Eleaf> DanaG, how can I be sure there is even anything that can publish?
[09:31] <Eleaf> does the normal openssh server publish..?
[09:31] <Eleaf> avahi-discovery finds nothing.
[09:32] <gradin> !info avahi-daemon
[09:32] <ubotu> avahi-daemon: Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.17-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 76 kB, installed size 364 kB
[09:32] <Eleaf> shouldn't that run by default?
[09:32] <Eleaf> yes, it is running
[09:32] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, are you talking about openssh server?
[09:32] <Eleaf> yeah.
[09:32] <r00tintheb0x> it is not installed or does not run by default.
[09:32] <r00tintheb0x> and.or
[09:32] <Eleaf> I'm wondering why nothing is showing up in zeroconf
[09:33] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, ssh isn't showing up with zeroconf?
[09:33] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, zeroconf allows two or more computers to communicate with each other without any external configuration
[09:33] <Eleaf> I'm a bit confused with zeroconf, does each service have to have it coded into it.
[09:33] <Eleaf> I know what it is r00tintheb0x
[09:33] <r00tintheb0x> openssh has to be installed to do this
[09:34] <Eleaf> I'm wondering why it's not finding any zeroconf services r00tintheb0x
[09:34] <r00tintheb0x> then whats your question?
[09:34] <Eleaf> I have openssh installed...
[09:34] <Eleaf> ^
[09:34] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, what are you using to find your "zeroconf" services?
[09:34] <gradin> RAOF: the thing is the malformed mdns entry came from the net and i don't belive it was specificallly malformed, more it's a specific char in the hostname
[09:34] <Eleaf> avahi-detect and the service-discovery-applet r00tintheb0x
[09:34] <Eleaf> each ones says there is nothing.
[09:35] <r00tintheb0x> aah thats something ive never used, i'll have to look into that.
[09:35] <Eleaf> what else would you use?
[09:35] <r00tintheb0x> i dont understand what zeroconf means.
[09:35] <r00tintheb0x> zeroconf to me means a tool like...
[09:35] <r00tintheb0x> scp
[09:35] <Eleaf> lol
[09:36] <Eleaf> zeroconf is just a way to see services on a network without configuration.
[09:36] <Eleaf> Like printers or other computers...
[09:36] <r00tintheb0x> ohhh
[09:36] <r00tintheb0x> OOOHHHHOHOHOH
[09:36] <r00tintheb0x> LOLL!
[09:36] <Eleaf> lol
[09:36] <gradin> Eleaf: would that affect samba?
[09:36] <r00tintheb0x> OH!
[09:36] <r00tintheb0x> THAT makes sense.
[09:37] <Eleaf> gradin, yeah, could work with it.
[09:37] <r00tintheb0x> like printers on a network?
[09:37] <r00tintheb0x> or shared?
[09:37] <r00tintheb0x> shares?
[09:37] <Eleaf> I'm not exactly sure what you have to do to get something to use zeroconf / avahi
[09:37] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, yes
[09:37] <r00tintheb0x> i see
[09:37] <gradin> Eleaf: i mean would removing avhal affect samba in a negitve way?
[09:37] <Eleaf> mac os x uses it pretty extensively to detect things on a network r00tintheb0x
[09:37] <Eleaf> gradin, no
[09:38] <gradin> Eleaf: what would be the best way to remove avahi?
[09:38] <Eleaf> it works fine without it
[09:38] <voidmage> Should apport (crash reporter) be asking me for my password when it detects a crash?
[09:38] <Eleaf> I'm not sure...  maybe just uninstalling avahi-daemon and such?
[09:38] <r00tintheb0x> voidmage, i doubt that
[09:38] <Eleaf> lol voidmage
[09:38] <r00tintheb0x> VERY serously.
[09:38] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[09:39] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, avahi     4839     1  0 02:27 ?        00:00:00 avahi-daemon: running [malakai.local] 
[09:39] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[09:39] <r00tintheb0x> little did i know
[09:39] <Eleaf> ;p
[09:39] <r00tintheb0x> its like a service explorer
[09:39] <Eleaf> for some reason I'm not able to detect my services
[09:39] <Eleaf> yeah r00tintheb0x
[09:39] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, how would you normally go about detecting them?
[09:40] <Eleaf> I dunno, using something like avahi-detect or this service-discovery-applet r00tintheb0x
[09:40] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, try installing avahi-detect and running it to see if it detects anything for you
[09:40] <Eleaf> it should show the services of localhost but it's not for me.
[09:40] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, places>network up top detects things for me.
[09:41] <Eleaf> what does it show?
[09:41] <Benno> Hey Feisty hangs during bootup, but I can press ctrl+alt+del to get past it... Is there a log file that will show what caused it to hang?
[09:41] <r00tintheb0x> well when im at work, all my NetBIOS shares and printers
[09:41] <r00tintheb0x> anything broadcasting
[09:41] <Eleaf>  I just have windows network and my server (which I put in manually)
[09:41] <Eleaf> It seems like avahi isn't even working for me
[09:41] <wlx> exit
[09:42] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf,  /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon restart
[09:42] <r00tintheb0x> then try doing it again
[09:42] <Eleaf> I did r00tintheb0x
[09:42] <Eleaf> the applet said it was restarting, but it still finds nothing
[09:43] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, do you see your Win32 shared from places>network?
[09:43] <Eleaf> no
[09:43] <Eleaf> it's weird
[09:44] <Eleaf> it really should be showing lots of stuff
[09:44] <r00tintheb0x> Do you have a small home network with something shared?
[09:44] <Eleaf> yes
[09:44] <Eleaf> I have plenty of services..
[09:44] <Eleaf> like ssh and such
[09:44] <r00tintheb0x> SMB or NetBIOS
[09:44] <Eleaf> (which should be detected)
[09:44] <Eleaf> none of that
[09:44] <r00tintheb0x> you sure?
[09:44] <Eleaf> yes
[09:44] <r00tintheb0x> Where's it say that
[09:45] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, in the discovery applet preferences, you can choose what you want to display..
[09:45] <r00tintheb0x> where's the .... hold up
[09:45] <Eleaf> and it can show many things like ftp, dns, ssh, http, ntp, etc.
[09:46] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, you have to install service-discovery-applet
[09:46] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, have you configured /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf
[09:46] <gradin> Benno: /var/log/syslog and the like
[09:46] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[09:46] <Eleaf> no, have you?
[09:46] <r00tintheb0x> no lol... im lookin @ it now
[09:47] <Eleaf> maybe it's the firewall.
[09:47] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, how many machines do you have on your network?
[09:47] <beg1689> hmm xubuntu doesnt come wiht nm-applet?
[09:47] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, uhh 3
[09:47] <r00tintheb0x> nm applet?
[09:48] <beg1689> more importantly, the rt73 driver still isnt updated
[09:48] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, all nix?
[09:48] <beg1689> i have to download it from another computer and install it into my old laptop
[09:48] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689, i dont know what that is
[09:49] <Eleaf> r00tintheb0x, no, 2
[09:49] <r00tintheb0x> 1 win 1 nix?
[09:49] <Eleaf> seriously, zeroconf is much more than just windows shares.
[09:49] <Eleaf> 2 linux
[09:49] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[09:49] <r00tintheb0x> im just trying to find something to test it on
[09:49] <beg1689> nm-applet is the gnome front-end for network manager, loaded by default in feisty (but no in xubuntu)
[09:50] <Eleaf> yep, found the problem r00tintheb0x
[09:50] <beg1689> actually i dont think its gnome dependent
[09:50] <Eleaf> it's my local firewall on this computer.
[09:50] <Eleaf> (firestarter)
[09:50] <beg1689> anyway... they should update the rt73 network driver, it is open source
[09:50] <Eleaf> although it only lists workstation... no other services
[09:50] <beg1689> i still have to compile it myself to get it to function (there is one included, but it doesnt work at all)
[09:50] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689, does your sources.list look like this http://pastebin.ca/429499 ?
[09:50] <r00tintheb0x> Eleaf, what is it?
[09:51] <r00tintheb0x> aah Eleaf
[09:51] <Eleaf> ?
[09:51] <beg1689> what does that have to do with anything?
[09:51] <beg1689> its a network driver thats missing
[09:51] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689, if you know why are you asking.
[09:51] <beg1689> i cant install anyhing until i copy the source over and compile it
[09:51] <beg1689> im just asking why it isnt already updated, the driver is open soutce but they are using an old version
[09:52] <r00tintheb0x> who knows bro
[09:52] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[09:52] <beg1689> if i knew how to make some nice debs then i would do it for them but i dont...
[09:52] <beg1689> only one file is needed, rt73.ko
[09:53] <_filippo_> hi does anybody know some working software to transcode a dvd9 to a dvd5?
[09:53] <RAOF> beg1689: Have you filed a bug about that?  Particularly including: what does the update fix?
[09:53] <r00tintheb0x> _filippo_, ask in #LFD
[09:53] <r00tintheb0x> they're good w/that crap
[09:53] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689 whats the driver for again, wireless?
[09:54] <beg1689> well im using a wifi adapter with the rt73 chipset, with edgy or feisty beta isntall it doesnt function
[09:54] <beg1689> at all
[09:54] <Eleaf> what the...
[09:54] <RAOF> So, we...
[09:54] <Eleaf> I think my network has become compromised...
[09:54] <RAOF> !bug | beg1689
[09:54] <ubotu> beg1689: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:56] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689, have you tried "sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome"
[09:56] <r00tintheb0x> i think nm-applet is part of it
[09:57] <r00tintheb0x> beg1689, http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_7_04_Herd_2_is_out#c4712015
[09:57] <r00tintheb0x> hey wlx and HanzZ
[09:58] <HanzZ> hi.. i'm trying to add printer, but i haven't any drivers in "add printer" wizard... ?
[09:58] <r00tintheb0x> HanzZ, are you using edgy?
[09:58] <HanzZ> i had drivers there befor i installed foomatic-filters-ppds
[09:58] <HanzZ> no
[09:58] <HanzZ> feisty
[09:59] <r00tintheb0x> HanzZ, what make/model of printer.
[09:59] <HanzZ> minolta 1200W
[09:59] <HanzZ> but i have no drivers there..
[09:59] <HanzZ> only empty listview
[09:59] <wlx> r00tintheb0x, hi
[10:00] <r00tintheb0x> HanzZ, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1231038&postcount=19
[10:00] <r00tintheb0x> hi wlx whats up
[10:00] <beg1689> ok i filed a bug but im not good with wording
[10:01] <r00tintheb0x> word
[10:01] <r00tintheb0x> wlx, got a problem or are you just hanging out?
[10:02] <wlx> HanzZ, I have the same printer, but the driver is distributed with ubuntu edgy
[10:02] <r00tintheb0x> wlx, you too
[10:02] <r00tintheb0x> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1231038&postcount=19
[10:03] <HanzZ> wlx: r00tintheb0x, i haven't problem with this drivers concretly, but with this.. http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snmek1us1.png
[10:03] <HanzZ> ;)
[10:03] <wlx> r00tintheb0x, HanzZ, yes, the problem is the printing speed, very slow
[10:03] <Eleaf> omg
[10:03] <Eleaf> I'm getting questionable connections from a bunch of addresses.
[10:03] <Eleaf> and hundreds of attempted brute-force attacks on my network..
[10:03] <r00tintheb0x> oh
[10:04] <HanzZ> r00tintheb0x: do you understand me now? :)
[10:04] <r00tintheb0x> im sorry, im not too sure what could be causing that HanzZ and wlx  :(
[10:04] <HanzZ> i can't choose drivers, because i get empty field
[10:04] <r00tintheb0x> guys, can you all help them?
[10:04] <HanzZ> it's after apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds
[10:05] <wlx> HanzZ, which version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:05] <mycroftiv> Eleaf: how many attempted connections per minute? how many different external facing IP addresses on your network?
[10:06] <HanzZ> wlx: feisty
[10:06] <HanzZ> beta2 :)
[10:07] <HanzZ> sry.. beta...  :)
[10:07] <beg1689> crap
[10:09] <wlx> HanzZ, there is no problem in edgy in my home pc
[10:10] <wlx> HanzZ, I do not know the status in feisty
[10:12] <HanzZ> ok.. i can report it...
[10:13] <Infecto> hmmm
[10:13] <Infecto> i`v got problem with fglrx :)
[10:13] <Infecto> when i load it manualy it works
[10:14] <Infecto> i uild my own fglrx and its made in /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/misc/
[10:14] <Infecto> but oryginal is placed in /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/volatile
[10:14] <Infecto> i copy it from misc to volatile
[10:14] <Infecto> depmod -a
[10:14] <Infecto> and ....
[10:14] <Infecto> when i reboot pc
[10:15] <hateyla> Can i install beryl in fiestybeta. i have this "VGA compitable Conteroller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01)"
[10:15] <Infecto> i dont know why and where from
[10:15] <Infecto> is loaded old module
[10:15] <VirhYl3> I'm still sitting here, trying to figure out what killed beryl... WAGGHH!!
[10:16] <hateyla> VirhYl3: i love DeSkto Enhancement :p And i saw beryl shots
[10:16] <hateyla> i love that
[10:17] <gradin> VirhYl3: i would expect its because of the graphics card your using...
[10:17] <gradin> s3's are crappy onboard cards, and last i checked beryl required a decent one
[10:18] <hateyla> gradin: aru sure ? its requird decent one ? on board cards not supported?
[10:20] <gradin> hateyla: it wouldn't be supported because that chipset to put it the best way i know how sucks...
[10:20] <gradin> its really old
[10:20] <[Cade] > gradin, intel onboard work >_>
[10:21] <hateyla> :P
[10:21] <gradin> and honestly i doubt it could handle the load
[10:21] <[Cade] > As a rule of them: Intel (>i810), ATI (>Radeon 7000), and anything supported by an Nvidia driver
[10:21] <[Cade] > them -> thumb
[10:22] <beg1689> hm... its actually *harder* to get this driver working on feisty than it was in edgy
[10:23] <beg1689> after i installed the new module it still tried to load the old one
[10:23] <[Cade] > beg1689, nvidia?
[10:23] <beg1689> rt73 wifi adapter :)
[10:23] <beg1689> theres a bug filed
[10:23] <[Cade] > ah ditto here =)
[10:23] <beg1689> but at least in edgy i could get it to work
[10:23] <beg1689> now i cant
[10:23] <[Cade] > you'll need to add the old one to the blacklist file
[10:23] <gradin> [Cade] : doesn't beryl do a lot of 3d rendering and stuff?
[10:23] <[Cade] > and, you need to "sudo apt-get remove networkmanager"
[10:23] <beg1689> yes
[10:23] <[Cade] > gradin, yes
[10:23] <beg1689> yea i did that first
[10:23] <[Cade] > and the cards I listed support it
[10:24] <[Cade] > (and compiz_
[10:24] <beg1689> but i never blacklisted anything so ill have to figure that out
[10:24] <[Cade] > one second
[10:24] <gradin> hateyla: yeah then you should definatly either get a new graphics card (geforce 4 or better if you wanna go nvidia)
[10:24] <gradin> hateyla: or not use beryl...
[10:25] <hateyla> :/
[10:25] <[Cade] > beg1689, append the following to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:25] <[Cade] > # Added when rt73 module was installed
[10:25] <[Cade] > blacklist rt73usb
[10:25] <[Cade] > blacklist rt2570
[10:25] <gradin> cuz i seriously doubt an s3 is going to be able to handle it
[10:25] <[Cade] > hateyla, an i845 or i855 would do well too =)
[10:25] <[Cade] > S3's drivers don't support some needed extensions, so it won't be able to run it. If it had those extensions, possibly/
[10:26] <hateyla> :>
[10:26] <hateyla> So in last i have to used another card
[10:28] <beg1689> bah.. i gotta replace this old laptop
[10:28] <[Cade] > Like I said, an Intel i855 or so would be pretty happening. =)
[10:28] <[Cade] > Even on this ancient ATI Radeon 7500, Compiz runs like a dream. =)
[10:28] <VirhYl3> gradin: Nvidia?
[10:29] <beg1689> my first video card was a SiS 6326
[10:29] <gradin> VirhYl3: huh?
[10:29] <beg1689> and a nvidia tnt2
[10:29] <VirhYl3> Beryl died on me today (was fine earlier!), and I'm using Nvidia, 6600 gt.
[10:30] <beg1689> man was i happy when i fired quake up on that thing
[10:30] <gradin> VirhYl3: don't know what to tell you on that one...
[10:30] <hateyla> So in my laptop i have this one. Intel(R) 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller.. so with this card can i install beryl ?
[10:31] <[Cade] > hateyla, Yes.
[10:31] <r00tintheb0x> hateyla, i have the i810 and it works for me.
[10:31] <[Cade] > That is an Intel 855 =)
[10:32] <[Cade] > Though, for Feisty, I strongly recommend Compiz instead.
[10:32] <[Cade] > With that card, you'll find better speeds. Plus, it's part of Feisty by default.
[10:32] <hateyla> ok.. but i have dapper in laptop.. so wait for fiesty released ..
[10:33] <[Cade] > Feisty's release is coming shortly besides. =)
[10:33] <hateyla> [Cade]  waiting for it.. coz dont want to install beta.
[10:33] <gradin> [Cade] : whats the benifits of installing compiz over say kubuntu?
[10:33] <hateyla> !compiz
[10:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:33] <[Cade] > gradin, well for one, by then Compiz 0.5 packages will be solid... so you can install them third-party
[10:34] <[Cade] > they offer first and foremost a new ini backend using a fuse plugin, so there's no longer a dependency on gconf for kde users
[10:34] <[Cade] > similarly, it has a kde-window-decorator now, that themes to your native kwin decoration =)
[10:34] <beg1689> i got an ip address! its a miracle!
[10:34] <[Cade] > glad to help beg1689  =)
[10:35] <beg1689> hope they fix that bug by 7.10 :)
[10:35] <beg1689> i just ate like 15 cookies... dont mention them again
[10:35] <gradin> huh... well i'm gonna go install compiz...
[10:35] <gradin> and boot up new server box...
[10:36] <beg1689> mmm compiz is the only thing that makes my old radeon 9200 worth having, works out-of-the-box
[10:37] <beg1689> so this system is finally working now... its actually for my dad
[10:37] <beg1689> ubuntu on DOs dual boot :-P
[10:37] <beg1689> and ^
[10:40] <VirhYl3> Man, beryl died and just won't come back.
[10:40] <VirhYl3> I got compiz back, kinda, the windows wobble and such again.
[10:40] <Edulix> hi !
[10:40] <Edulix> sound *still* doesn't work in 2.6.20-14
[10:40] <Edulix> it worked in -12
[10:41] <Edulix> ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio << this is my card
[10:41] <VirhYl3> yeah, all my problems started with 2.6.20-14, too, but now -13 is busted too, which wasn't the case earlier today... :(
[10:42] <Draconicus> libxul-dev is very, very, very broken. All sorts of dependency nightmares. I can't go into details... just see for yourself. ._.
[10:42] <Draconicus> It's no wonder Democracy Player doesn't work.
[10:43] <Amaranth> Draconicus: yes, the way debian packages xulrunner is pretty broken
[10:43] <Edulix> VirhYl3: -12 I belive worked fine
[10:43] <tygus> hi there
[10:43] <Draconicus> Amaranth: I was trying to build my own Democracy Player since the package is broken, but the packages for its source dependencies are also broken. @_O
[10:44] <tygus> I have a problem, the installer crashes in the migrating page
[10:44] <Draconicus> I can live without Democracy for a while, though. No big deal.
[10:44] <jussi01> Draconicus, bug 79063
[10:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 79063 in xulrunner "libxul-dev not installable without major collateral damage" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79063
[10:44] <Amaranth> tygus: if you mean with the beta there are probably 2000 bugs filed on it already :)
[10:44] <Draconicus> jussi01: Okay.
[10:44] <VirhYl3> man, ubuntu isn't nearly as exciting without beryl.
[10:44] <Draconicus> Beryl runs like an absolute dream if you install it right.
[10:44] <Amaranth> VirhYl3: beryl go *poof* ;)
[10:45] <Draconicus> I'm using it right now.
[10:45] <VirhYl3> yes, exactly.  make me sad panda.
[10:45] <Draconicus> Emulators, WINE... all runs awesome in it.
[10:45] <VirhYl3> i know, it was all great till earlier today.
[10:45] <beg1689> in what
[10:45] <tygus> I don't know if it is beta, I've just downloaded form ubuntu.com
[10:45] <Draconicus> Earlier today?
[10:45] <Draconicus> What happened?
[10:45] <beg1689> WINE does not work well in beryl
[10:45] <HanzZ> join #codeigniter
[10:45] <Draconicus> beg1689: Does for me.
[10:45] <HanzZ> sry
[10:45] <beg1689> with what
[10:45] <Draconicus> nvidia's site's drivers. :D
[10:45] <Draconicus> Legacy.
[10:45] <VirhYl3> beg1689: Did for me too...
[10:45] <tygus> amaranth: I don't know if it is the beta, I've just downlaoded from ubuntu.com
[10:45] <beg1689> half life and wc3 dont work for me with beryl
[10:46] <beg1689> nvidia
[10:46] <Amaranth> tygus: that'd be the beta
[10:46] <Draconicus> Funny... I just played Half-Life in it earlier today. :P
[10:46] <Amaranth> Draconicus, VirhYl3: I was talking about in general. :)
[10:46] <beg1689> oh well im using the nvidia-glx package
[10:46] <VirhYl3> pfft.  Half life?  Urban Terror 4 > Counter Strike.
[10:46] <beg1689> nvidias work better?
[10:46] <Amaranth> There will never be another beryl release except for bugfix updates to 0.2.1
[10:46] <beg1689> ewww counterstrike
[10:46] <Draconicus> They're the same driver. The package isn't working well...
[10:46] <beg1689> natural selection
[10:46] <Draconicus> Amaranth: Why?
[10:46] <tygus> ok, is there a way to skip the migrating when installing?
[10:46] <Amaranth> Draconicus: merged back with compiz
[10:47] <beg1689> mm and garrys mod
[10:47] <Draconicus> Amaranth: Oh. I knew about that. Not a bad thing.
[10:47] <Draconicus> They're not keeping the Beryl name, though?
[10:47] <Draconicus> It liked it.
[10:47] <beg1689> im having a strange garrys mod problem its really annoying, i reported it on appdb
[10:47] <VirhYl3> yeah, compiz is gonna get all the beryl love on it's own... :D
[10:47] <Amaranth> tygus: i think you can run ubiquity with the --no-migration or --skip-migration flag to do that
[10:47] <Amaranth> Draconicus: No
[10:47] <VirhYl3> Yeah, beryl is a better name than compiz...  But what's in a name?
[10:47] <Draconicus> Amaranth: Well.. um... will they at least keep the jewel icons?
[10:47] <Amaranth> Draconicus: I can personally assure you I will not allow that to be the name chosen. :)
[10:47] <beg1689> i like the name compiz better
[10:47] <Amaranth> Draconicus: No, same thing.
[10:48] <Draconicus> Cool! I'm a Beryl veteran!
[10:48] <Infecto> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[10:48] <Infecto> where from is it came ?
[10:48] <Draconicus> I made custom cube caps with Beryl and Emerald logos.
[10:48] <Amaranth> Draconicus: check out our compiz.org site
[10:48] <Amaranth> Draconicus: that logo > beryl logo ;)
[10:48] <Draconicus> We shall see.
[10:48] <tygus> Amarath: I'll try right now
[10:48] <VirhYl3> I just want it to work again.... :(
[10:49] <Draconicus> Firefox can't find the server at www.compiz.org.
[10:49] <Amaranth> works great here
[10:49] <beg1689> forum.go-compiz.org
[10:49] <Draconicus> It's go-compiz.org
[10:49] <Amaranth> maybe your ISP's DNS is really slow at updating, try go-compiz.org
[10:49] <VirhYl3> I also lost my title bars.
[10:49] <beg1689> didnt work for me either
[10:50] <beg1689> only the forum loads for me
[10:50] <VirhYl3> however compiz is working.  *sigh*
[10:50] <arejay> go-compiz wont work neither
[10:50] <VirhYl3> no idea.
[10:50] <Draconicus> Firefox can't find the server at www.go-compiz.org.
[10:50] <arejay> site is down.
[10:50] <beg1689> ^
[10:50] <VirhYl3> the cube is gone though.
[10:50] <Draconicus> Fun fun.
[10:50] <Draconicus> ...
[10:50] <Amaranth> no, site it up
[10:50] <beg1689> the cube is on the forum
[10:50] <Draconicus> The what is what?!
[10:50] <Amaranth> site is up*
[10:50] <Draconicus> Cube is gone?!
[10:50] <beg1689> maybe?
[10:50] <Draconicus> You can't take my cube.
[10:50] <Amaranth> it works fine here
[10:50] <Draconicus> 'Never.
[10:50] <VirhYl3> No, MY cube is gone.
[10:50] <Amaranth> No, the cube is our main feature
[10:50] <beg1689> i have your cube
[10:50] <beg1689> i have *everyones* cube and im not giving them back until i get a cookie
[10:51] <Amaranth> And the latest desktop-effects in Ubuntu includes my fix that should make it turn the cube on correctly
[10:51] <Amaranth> Unless of course you've tried to turn it on in there before, then it probably broke it
[10:51] <beg1689> when did you fix it?
[10:51] <Draconicus> Amaranth: I swear to god, if you change the settings manager interface....
[10:51] <Amaranth> beg1689: week ago
[10:51] <Draconicus> I JUST got used to it.
[10:51] <Amaranth> Draconicus: beryl-settings?
[10:51] <Draconicus> Yeah.
[10:51] <VirhYl3> Amaranth: Is that what happened to me earlier today?  Any idea about how to fix it all over?
[10:51] <beg1689> really.. my cube still doesnt enable correctly
[10:52] <beg1689> i have to manualy set hsize
[10:52] <Amaranth> I'm going to push my hardest to kill it
[10:52] <arejay> i get werid artifacts next to windows in beryl with a intel 915GM and feisty and berl from the beryl repos
[10:52] <Draconicus> ...
[10:52] <RAOF_> Welcome to the wonderful world of *better* :)
[10:52] <beg1689> up-to-date
[10:52] <Amaranth> Go back to the original beryl-settings
[10:52] <Draconicus> Amaranth: What is WRONG with you?
[10:52] <Draconicus> people love it!
[10:52] <Amaranth> Draconicus: Serious usability problems
[10:52] <VirhYl3> Amaranth: Not really sure how to!
[10:52] <Amaranth> Not even talking about the option overload
[10:52] <VirhYl3> Yeah, I can imagine a much better menu than the current beryl manager.
[10:52] <Amaranth> The way the options are presented is wrong
[10:52] <Draconicus> Amaranth: I agree that it could use some tweaking... and... Oh, don't you take my options away.....
[10:53] <jussi01> lol
[10:53] <blippe> man ntpupdate
[10:53] <beg1689> who needs a menu... all we need is scale windows
[10:53] <beg1689> only useful thing
[10:53] <r00tintheb0x> jussi01, unless you're REAL confortable w/linux
[10:53] <r00tintheb0x> dont
[10:53] <Amaranth> Draconicus: No, I said it needs to show the options in a better way
[10:53] <Draconicus> You said "overload"
[10:53] <Draconicus> I was concerned.
[10:53] <Draconicus> Okay. I'll stop being protective.
[10:53] <VirhYl3> It will still have the options, just cleaned up. :D
[10:53] <arejay> hrm, artifacts only appear when i do the expose type thing by moving my curson off the screen to the top right
[10:53] <Amaranth> Draconicus: I said the app has problems other than that
[10:53] <Draconicus> I just got Beryl all shiny and working, though. ._.
[10:53] <jussi01> r00tintheb0x, Im fine with linux... Im just wondering if i can be bothered...
[10:53] <Amaranth> Draconicus: The option overload is of course the main problem but since this is for power users only that's fine
[10:54] <VirhYl3> jussi01: Totally worth the trouble.  It's brilliant.
[10:54] <Amaranth> Draconicus: But the way it groups options and plugins _SUCKS_
[10:54] <VirhYl3> agree with that!
[10:54] <Draconicus> How is a giant pile of eye candy for 'power users'?
[10:54] <beg1689> everything works great here but this darn LCD has a max 50Hz refresh :'(
[10:54] <r00tintheb0x> i only use it to sling all my windows to my desktop so i can see what the hell im doing when i have 50 bash shells open
[10:54] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[10:54] <r00tintheb0x> wb RAOF
[10:54] <jussi01> VirhYl3, I have had compiz before, and beryl ages ago....
[10:54] <Amaranth> Draconicus: beryl-settings is for power users
[10:54] <Draconicus> I'm not a developer or a tester. I'm an end user. I know what I like, and I see what my friends like.
[10:55] <jussi01> its just I like everything to be really speedy...
[10:55] <Draconicus> Amaranth: I want green fire. I have to go to the settings manager for that.
[10:55] <Amaranth> Draconicus: Because most users only need sane defaults and a couple of choices to change
[10:55] <VirhYl3> I *had* beryl REAL speedy, earlier today.
[10:55] <Amaranth> Draconicus: power user
[10:55] <RAOF_> jussi01: Then embrace the GPU acceleration of your hardware :)
[10:55] <jussi01> RAOF, wha?
[10:55] <Draconicus> Amaranth: Color changes? Come on...
[10:55] <VirhYl3> cut down on animation times and such.... it hauls ass.
[10:55] <JDahl> are there anyone here who runs a Trac server under Feisty?  After I upgraded from v6.10 it stopped working for me
[10:55] <jussi01> RAOF, I have a crappy intel 915...
[10:56] <beg1689> i wish i could have a nice scale windows without using a whole new WM
[10:56] <beg1689> i like the fading windows too but you dont need beryl or compiz for that
[10:56] <RAOF_> jussi01: Among other things, Compiz is a composite manager, which can *really* speed up window management
[10:56] <beg1689> yea but its too buggy
[10:56] <VirhYl3> they need to update the compiz screenshot on wikipedia with 3dworld.
[10:56] <VirhYl3> That improves A LOT.
[10:57] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, that'd only be accurate if 3d were included by default, which it is not ;)
[10:57] <beg1689> id say by ubuntu 8.10, compositing window managers will be ready for mass use
[10:57] <jussi01> whats the current proceedure or installing beryl?
[10:57] <VirhYl3> [Cade] : Well, it certainly SHOULD be.
[10:57] <[Cade] > I beg to differ. =)
[10:57] <Draconicus> Ah. I see. I was a little mixed up on the definition of the term "power user"
[10:57] <VirhYl3> maybe once the beryl/compiz merger is complete...
[10:57] <[Cade] > I don't even _use_ a third of the default ones.
[10:58] <Draconicus> Pardon my ignorance and thusly unjustified opposition.
[10:58] <Draconicus> I'll go away now. :P
[10:58] <jussi01> lol
[10:58] <beg1689> merger? good.. makes more sense then having efforts split up into two seperate projects
[10:58] <VirhYl3> Cade: Me either, but that one is a keeper for sure.
[10:58] <Draconicus> Amaranth: You don't plan to eat up any effects or features, though, right? >.>
[10:58] <[Cade] > Compiz 0.5.2, thanks to xorg 7.3, should make Compiz a truly mass-market viability. =)
[10:58] <Draconicus> I likes my eye candies.
[10:59] <[Cade] > "Compiz-extra" is still maintained, and it won't go away ;)
[10:59] <VirhYl3> I think they should just alter some of the defaults.
[10:59] <jussi01> so can i just sudo aptitude install beryl and it will work?
[10:59] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, 3d is known to be bad in terms of memory usage. =/
[10:59] <mycroftiv> maybe im just very lucky, but both beryl and compiz work fine for me on multiple machines with several different distros. the how-tos on the beryl wiki have always worked correctly for me.
[10:59] <VirhYl3> 3dworld should be a default.  That genie one is stupid, they should switch it to sidekick, and the flames for closing windows....
[10:59] <[Cade] > uh... Compiz doesn't ship animation by default. >_>
[11:00] <VirhYl3> Cade: Well, maybe on install it can check for memory or something, and then switch the defaults?
[11:00] <[Cade] > lol - that's a lot of wasted effort
[11:00] <VirhYl3> Right, but after the beryl/compiz merge, won't they?
[11:00] <VirhYl3> They should!  That's half the advantage of the beryl way!
[11:00] <[Cade] > David's policy is this: unless it's critical to window management, or proof of concept (ie: cube and plane), it should be an extra plugin
[11:00] <mycroftiv> jussi01: no, you should research your particular hardware configuration and figure out the correct steps, you need to make sure your video and xorg are setup for it.
[11:01] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, nope. All non-default plugins will still be "compiz-extra", which will just receive a new name.
[11:01] <jussi01> mycroftiv, Im using feisty, isnt the xorg already set up?
[11:01] <beg1689> well goodnight.. its 5 hours past my bedtime...
[11:01] <[Cade] > The default plugin set shouldn't change at all, and if it does, we're talking 1 or 2 plugins.
[11:01] <jussi01> damn Amaranth come back...
[11:01] <mycroftiv> jussi01: that depends on your video card, for the most part
[11:01] <Amaranth> jussi01: ...
[11:01] <jussi01> mycroftiv,  intel 915
[11:01] <VirhYl3> well, definitely the genie/sidekick one has got to be at the top of the list.
[11:02] <jussi01> Amaranth, arent you the beryl expert?
[11:02] <VirhYl3> and 3d world should be part of the defaults for compiz extra at least.
[11:02] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, speak to cornelius about that: he maintains animation plugin. ;)
[11:02] <Amaranth> jussi01: I'm a compiz developer
[11:02] <tygus> thanks Amaranth, it seems to work. I'm now installing
[11:02] <jussi01> oh...ok hten
[11:02] <[Cade] > "compiz-extra" is literally just a big tarball of all the non-default plugins >_>
[11:02] <[Cade] > so uh, all of those are included in "compiz-extra"
[11:02] <Amaranth> Right, well...
[11:03] <Amaranth> I'm also going to go on a "sane defaults" rampage and have almost zero bling on by default
[11:03] <Amaranth> if it doesn't work well on an i855 it shouldn't be on by default
[11:03] <[Cade] > *high five Amaranth*
[11:03] <[Cade] > :P
[11:03] <jussi01> Amaranth, yep!!!!!!!
[11:04] <[Cade] > By the by, I am loving the new regex+decoration love in 0.5
[11:04] <[Cade] > You've no idea how glad I am to be rid of those darn shadows on the gnome-panel
[11:04] <Amaranth> yeah, it's pretty nice
[11:04] <Amaranth> i was patching it out
[11:04] <Amaranth> (the panel shadows)
[11:04] <[Cade] > hehe
[11:04] <Amaranth> was just about to finally stop being lazy and make a window type list option when the match stuff got added
[11:05] <[Cade] > =)
[11:05] <VirhYl3> gonna reboot and see if I can get beryl back with 2.60-12 or whatever...
[11:05] <VirhYl3> *sigh*
[11:06] <[Cade] > Interesting... "decoration_match == any" doesn't add decor to gnome-panel, but !any works like it ought
[11:06] <Draconicus> 'Compiz' doesn't roll off the tongue very well. It's an awkward name... Reminds me of cold gray walls.
[11:06] <mycroftiv> Is the gnome-compiz-manager going to be tied into ubuntu-desktop for feisty release? it seems strange to have compiz pull it in by default in Ubuntu
[11:06] <mycroftiv> /s/pull/not pull/
[11:07] <Draconicus> 'Coral' sounds nice.
[11:07] <[Cade] > The Compiz project itself is not being renamed: just the community.
[11:07] <Draconicus> Compiz is a stupid name.
[11:07] <Draconicus> That's all I'm saying.
[11:07] <[Cade] > No, not really.
[11:07] <[Cade] > Compiz = Composite Window Manager.
[11:08] <Draconicus> I don't care what it stands for.
[11:08] <Draconicus> It sounds dumb. It doesn't have any real edge or warmth to it.
[11:08] <Draconicus> It's just "Compiz"
[11:08] <[Cade] > I don't really want to start trashing on Beryl, so please, don't.
[11:08] <jussi01> and beryl does
[11:08] <jussi01> ?
[11:08] <Draconicus> No.
[11:08] <[Cade] > ugh
[11:08] <mycroftiv> !offtopic
[11:08] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:08] <Draconicus> Neither do.
[11:08] <[Cade] > here we go again
[11:08] <jussi01> hehe
[11:08] <[Cade] > A name should be representative of what the application is about.
[11:09] <[Cade] > Compiz _is_.
[11:09] <[Cade] > Coral makes me think of the beach: not composite window management.
[11:09] <[Cade] > lol
[11:10] <jussi01> so... desktop effects in feisty...:P
[11:10] <jussi01> lol
[11:10] <jussi01> ok, now im being eveil
[11:10] <[Cade] > I'll be so glad when this merging business is all finally done with
[11:10] <mycroftiv> although I guess I also think its too bad feisty will just miss out on the post-merge release from compiz etc and also the Pidgin release
[11:10] <[Cade] > then no more "beryl v compiz" crap
[11:11] <[Cade] > mycroftiv, I think the Pidgin change is going to get an exception.
[11:11] <[Cade] > If for nothing but legal matters.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> [Cade] : maybe, we'll see
[11:12] <[Cade] > However, as far as Compiz 0.5, once RAOF repairs the few issues in his preliminary packages, then 0.5 will be readily available to Feisty users... it'll have the necessary patches to work just like the official ones.
[11:12] <[Cade] > I'm running them here still, and they work beautifully. =)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> er, compiz 0.5 wont *be* in feisty, i wouldnt think
[11:13] <Hobbsee> not in the archives
[11:14] <[Cade] > Of course not: moshen is mirroring them off of RAOF's private repository. =)
[11:14] <[Cade] > Compiz 0.5, while fantastic, is definitely not worthy of an exception this far past the freezes.
[11:15] <compengi> i got an interesting question regarding Gaim application that had been changed to Pidgin, how would you deal with it since the development file names and library names had been changed?
[11:15] <arejay> whats the repo for feisty compiz
[11:15] <[Cade] > arejay, for 0.5?
[11:15] <arejay> [Cade] , yeah
[11:16] <[Cade] > one moment
[11:16] <arejay> k thx
[11:16] <[Cade] > Please pay special regard to the disclaimer up top: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403482&highlight=compiz+0.5
[11:16] <[Cade] > They _should_ be okay to install, but they're not entirely perfect yet =)
[11:17] <[Cade] > missing keybinding, a BREAKS compiz-extra, and the wrapper for launching
[11:17] <compengi> i mean people won't be able to compile or build any new Pidgin releases =/
[11:17] <[Cade] > compengi, the libs changed too >_>
[11:17] <compengi> since many file names and libraries would be changed
[11:17] <compengi> yeah i know [Cade] 
[11:18] <[Cade] > well, when packages are built, they'll simply use the pidgin source, and then have the package set to REPLACE gaim
[11:18] <[Cade] > =)
[11:18] <mycroftiv> and i assume there will also be a transitional metapackage under the gaim name to grab pidgin stuff?
[11:19] <[Cade] > mycroftiv, I can only assume, yes.
[11:19] <compengi> [Cade] , i can conclude that when everything would be settled regarding pidgin changes you would directly change your repiratories?
[11:19] <mycroftiv> i think thats how debianized distros did ethereal > wireshark and other similar
[11:20] <[Cade] > compengi, Well I don't use gaim's server to build it or anything... If Pidgin is in feisty, it'll be a very smooth transition.
[11:20] <[Cade] > That's the wonder of Debian's system ;)
[11:20] <[Cade] > I just sincerely hope the Gaim crew takes this opportunity to renovate the darned icons.
[11:20] <[Cade] > =/
[11:20] <[Cade] > They desperately need to Tango-fy themselves like GIMP and OpenOffice
[11:21] <compengi> [Cade] , as i had talked to gaim developers many changes had been made regarding libraries, icons, graphics.....
[11:21] <[Cade] > Well, I can only hope then. ;)
[11:22] <[Cade] > I'm a bona fide whore for Tango. :P
[11:22] <compengi> lol
[11:23] <r00tintheb0x> meee too
[11:23] <compengi> are you one of the developers?
[11:23] <[Cade] > No, I am not.
[11:23] <[Cade] > In fact, I couldn't code a lick of C if my life depended on it! ^_^;
[11:23] <[Cade] > ... or GTK for that matter >_>
[11:24] <mycroftiv> I think ubuntu needs some more stylish icons, it would be great publicity for canonical to run a contest with community voting for new icons, with an honorary cash prize to be awarded to the free software development team of the winner's choice in their name.
[11:24] <mycroftiv> s/grammar/fix/
[11:24] <[Cade] > mycroftiv, the Human iconset isn't actually that bed.
[11:24] <[Cade] > bad*
[11:24] <[Cade] > I just don't like the GTK theme =/
[11:24] <[Cade] > or the wallpapers
[11:24] <VirhYl3> the brown is pretty awful.
[11:25] <[Cade] > It's not that brown is bad - it's just I think the implementation isn't what it could be.
[11:25] <compengi> oh, so maybe one of feisty developers would reply and give me more exact answers :)
[11:25] <[Cade] > Rather than the same watered down style of wallpaper, give me a sepia picture of the Sahara with an Ubuntu logo
[11:25] <[Cade] > It's little stuff like that, which would give Ubuntu's default look a _huge_ boost
[11:25] <mycroftiv> cade: I agree, ubuntu has a good icon set, but updating it would be an easy way to freshen the distro without much hard work, since the community would do all the design work, and for a lot of users, the look and feel is 50%+ of how they judge things.
[11:26] <r00tintheb0x> <[Cade] > http://art.gnome.org
[11:26] <[Cade] > r00tintheb0x, I'm well aware.
[11:26] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[11:26] <[Cade] > But default look has a huge first impression on first-time users.
[11:26] <VirhYl3> Let's be honest, the brown reminds us all of bowel movements ill suited to make a desktop look clean and nice.  Lose the brown.
[11:26] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, Not lose it. Just renovate it a bit. =)
[11:26] <r00tintheb0x> yeah i agree
[11:26] <[Cade] > Brown _can_ be stylish.
[11:27] <ompaul> VirhYl3, use something else or file a bug
[11:27] <[Cade] > I just don't think the way they're going now is that way. >_>
[11:28] <[Cade] > Of course, the GTK theme could use some freshening. I think keeping the same idea in mind, but lightening up the background colors and using the Murrina engine would go a long way towards making the GTK theme better.
[11:28] <r00tintheb0x> <[Cade] > i agree, ubuntu outta the box looks like totall ass.
[11:28] <[Cade] > haha
[11:28] <[Cade] > I don't think my setup at the moment is _too_ bad.
[11:28] <VirhYl3> i did file a bug, half the blogosphere has filed a bug NOBODY LIKES BROWN!  Seriously, this kind of thing is what is slowing FOSS adoption across whole swathes of the computer world.
[11:29] <[Cade] > Not entirely sold on the Metacity theme though.
[11:29] <khatun> hi, has something big changed between kernels 2.6.20-12 and 2.6.20-14? 2.6.20-12 works just fine, but with 2.6.20-14 i get http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3193/nogoeu5.jpg
[11:29] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, It's not a brown thing. It's the way that they've done it.
[11:29] <[Cade] > Brown can be done well.
[11:29] <[Cade] > =)
[11:30] <ompaul> VirhYl3, I guess there are about 8million or so people who disagree with you so ehh - you loose
[11:30] <[Cade] > kik
[11:30] <VirhYl3> Man, brown will never look as good as green, or gray, or blue, or purple, or red, or black, or white, or any other damn color.
[11:30] <[Cade] > lol
[11:30] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, tell you what
[11:30] <[Cade] > once I figure out how to write gtk themes
[11:30] <[Cade] > I'll do a brown one
[11:30] <[Cade] > just for you =)
[11:30] <VirhYl3> who hear doesn't crap brown?
[11:30] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, if excrement is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of brown....
[11:31] <VirhYl3> Maybe you should see a doctor if brown doesn't remind you of feces, but I know it does for many people, myself included.
[11:31] <[Cade] > Personally, I think of... the earth.
[11:31] <[Cade] > Last I checked, dirt is brown.
[11:31] <VirhYl3> The earth looks blue from space.
[11:31] <VirhYl3> dirt is tan.
[11:31] <[Cade] > ...
[11:31] <VirhYl3> sometimes red, or with white and gray.
[11:31] <VirhYl3> brown is only for one natural thing: TURDS.
[11:31] <[Cade] > Dirt can be very much brown.
[11:31] <[Cade] > sigh
[11:31] <[Cade] > this is going nowhere
[11:31] <[Cade] > quickly -.
[11:32] <[Cade] > r00tintheb0x, http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2911/screenshotaj9.png
[11:32] <[Cade] > that's my current setup =)
[11:32] <ompaul> VirhYl3, your obsession is going to get you muted or something
[11:33] <VirhYl3> Ok, I'll shut up, but seriously, the Ubuntu crowd needs to lose the brown, myself and about every blog I've read comparing OSes agrees on this.
[11:33] <[Cade] > You know, considering the number of features they've just implemented, I'd not be surprised if Pidgin opened with version 2.5 or something. =P
[11:34] <ompaul> self selecting small groups rock the world alright
[11:34] <crimsun> but brown it out. Red is in!
[11:34] <crimsun> bah, is out, even
[11:34] <[Cade] > lol
[11:34] <r00tintheb0x> sweet <[Cade] > here's mine http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mydesktopgw7.png
[11:34] <ompaul> crimsun, better red than blue anyway
[11:34] <mycroftiv> what's the status of video support in gaim/pidgin development? i heard there was a project that split off to do it, then merged back in, then vanished...now what?
[11:34] <jussi01> [Cade] , pidgeon is releasing 2.0
[11:35] <[Cade] > jussi01, I was being a smart ass ;)
[11:35] <jussi01> oh...
[11:35] <[Cade] > considering the gaim2 betas were more like minor releases =P
[11:35] <VirhYl3> I'm not opposed to red.  Human psychology about colors would dictate a cooler shade for emotional comfort, which is why I suggest green, but, red has some positives too, for those who are not in love with complacency.
[11:35] <[Cade] > r00tintheb0x, ironically, the only reason I don't use the GIT2 icon theme, is because of the hard disk icons
[11:35] <r00tintheb0x> yeah, they're kinda assk.
[11:35] <r00tintheb0x> assy too
[11:36] <[Cade] > mind, Tango's isn't that great either
[11:36] <[Cade] > but it's better than that >_>
[11:36] <Toma-> r00tintheb0x: IE6? :P
[11:36] <[Cade] > He must be a web developer like me. ;)
[11:36] <r00tintheb0x> im a Unofficial Tango whore
[11:36] <Toma-> ahh touche
[11:36] <crimsun> VirhYl3: the point is branding.
[11:36] <r00tintheb0x> yeah Toma- i have to use it for work
[11:36] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[11:37] <[Cade] > Though, I'm haughty enough to just tell the IE crowd to get a better browser.
[11:37] <[Cade] > :P
[11:37] <crimsun> yes, many people disagree with brown, but that's /not/ the point.
[11:37] <r00tintheb0x> believe me Toma- i dont like it.
[11:37] <VirhYl3> crimsun: Yeah, but branding CRAP seems like a bad Idea.
[11:37] <crimsun> "crap" is subjective here, and that's all I'm going to say.
[11:37] <r00tintheb0x> [Cade] , im actually an "unofficial tango" whore :$
[11:38] <Toma-> as sson as i got feisty installed, i installed blubuntu and all its metapackage friends
[11:38] <[Cade] > hehe
[11:38] <[Cade] > GIT2 did a good job of being Tango, but with a wider pallette
[11:38] <Toma-> would be nice to have blubuntu installed by default or even included on the CD tho
[11:38] <[Cade] > honestly, I'd use it over tango but for the harddisk and folder icons
[11:38] <VirhYl3> Toma-: YEAH!!!
[11:38] <[Cade] > Toma-, that's an idea =)
[11:38] <[Cade] > Of course, I'm gonna work on my brown theme
[11:38] <[Cade] > and offer sexual favors as a bribe to aim to get it in  fejsty+1 ;P
[11:39] <[Cade] > lol
[11:39] <VirhYl3> crimsun: If your crap is a different color than brown, you should see a doctor.  I don't know what's so subjective about that.
[11:39] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, again, lots of things are brown,
[11:39] <[Cade] > Dirt is brown, wood is brown... etc etc
[11:39] <Toma-> trees + dirt
[11:39] <[Cade] > Hell, the UPS truck is brown.
[11:39] <VirhYl3> *sigh*
[11:39] <r00tintheb0x> as is poop
[11:39] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[11:39] <[Cade] > I don't hear people making toilet jokes every time UPS commercials come on.
[11:40] <VirhYl3> Yeah, but the UPS truck is kind of a nice brown.
[11:40] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, EXACTLY MY POINT
[11:40] <[Cade] > What I've been saying from the start
[11:40] <VirhYl3> it's farther from the toilet familiarity of the current Ubuntu Brown.
[11:40] <[Cade] > it's not BROWN that's bad
[11:40] <VirhYl3> More like chocolate or something.
[11:40] <[Cade] > it's the way that Ubuntu's currently implemented it
[11:40] <[Cade] > that makes it look bad
[11:40] <[Cade] > -,-
[11:40] <Toma-> VirhYl3: imho, its a more orange brown now, which is nice
[11:41] <VirhYl3> Yeah, but my other point still stands: Human psychology would generally prefer ANY other color.
[11:41] <VirhYl3> Even to a chocolatey brown.
[11:41] <[Cade] > Not really... >_>
[11:41] <Toma-> heh, how about fluro pink?
[11:41] <[Cade] > +<3 Brown
[11:41] <VirhYl3> heh, there have been studies.
[11:41] <Toma-> or even a light purple
[11:41] <VirhYl3> scientifically people are most at ease, and comfortable, healthy and happy in a GREEN environment.
[11:42] <Toma-> at the University of Making-things-up?
[11:42] <VirhYl3> google it.
[11:42] <r00tintheb0x> wth
[11:42] <crimsun> guys, this is way off-topic
[11:42] <VirhYl3> colors psychology
[11:42] <mycroftiv> the solution is that upon bootup, ubuntu needs to ask what a persons favorite food is, and make the desktop background a picture of that food, then everyone will be happy.
[11:42] <r00tintheb0x> i just found a freakin machine on my network i didnt even know was there
[11:42] <VirhYl3> mycroftiv: LOL
[11:42] <Toma-> crimsun: woops sorry... thought i was in -offtopic :S
[11:43] <Toma-> r00tintheb0x: lol
[11:43] <[Cade] > ahaha
[11:43] <VirhYl3> the topic IS ubuntu+1, which at this point is no longer feisty, right? It's like the next one already?
[11:43] <Toma-> r00tintheb0x: theres a bash.org thing about that
[11:43] <r00tintheb0x> i love that site
[11:43] <ompaul> VirhYl3, no, it is feisty as that is still not released
[11:44] <Toma-> http://bash.org/?5273
[11:44] <r00tintheb0x> aah its htdsas24
[11:44] <[Cade] > I just can't wait until the feisty+1 repos go up
[11:44] <r00tintheb0x> one of my solaris boxes
[11:44] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[11:44] <[Cade] > mmm, kernel updates
[11:44] <[Cade] > =D
[11:45] <r00tintheb0x> i just had a HELL of a time w/solaris updates.;
[11:45] <r00tintheb0x> ass+
[11:45] <r00tintheb0x> wanna see something l33t?
[11:45] <r00tintheb0x> # uname -a
[11:45] <mycroftiv> frequently, after i close firefox, I get a popup window reporting that it thinks firefox crashed, even though I selected "quit" from the menu and it seemed to close normally. Anyone else see this?
[11:45] <r00tintheb0x> SunOS htdsas24 5.9 Generic_122300-02 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210
[11:46] <[Cade] > mycroftiv, it's apport
[11:46] <[Cade] > I've gotten that on occasion
[11:46] <[Cade] > sometimes I log out
[11:46] <[Cade] > and log back in
[11:46] <[Cade] > to like 15 apport windows
[11:46] <[Cade] > XD
[11:46] <VirhYl3> I just want to reiterate: My relatives, my coworkers, my video game friends, people on the internet, random passers by, and pretty much every single person I've shown ubuntu to (save my friend's girlfriend, who I swear was just being contrary for no reason) don't like the brown.  They love beryl.  They love Firefox, they like the philosophy, they like open office, they even like rhythmbox with some cajoling.  But nobody but one person, who I 
[11:46] <[Cade] > VirhYl3, again
[11:46] <[Cade] > IT IS NOT A BROWN THING
[11:46] <[Cade] > IT IS THE WAY IT WAS DONE
[11:47] <[Cade] > now seriously, _move on_
[11:47] <r00tintheb0x> wth?!
[11:47] <ompaul> VirhYl3, you have been muted
[11:47] <r00tintheb0x> lolololoLOLOL@ VirhYl3
[11:47] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[11:47] <[Cade] > ahahaha
[11:47] <r00tintheb0x> i thought that was classic
[11:47] <ompaul> don't encourage me
[11:47] <[Cade] > that was perfect timing
[11:48] <[Cade] > Hmm, I think it's time to listen to some Miles Davis.
[11:48] <[Cade] > B)
[11:53] <Draconicus> brb - I broke something again.
[11:57] <starz> is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu dapper directly to feisty fawn?
[11:57] <starz> also why is herd 6 canceled?
[11:57] <starz> @_@
[11:58] <[Cade] > No need: we skipped right to beta. ;)
[11:58] <starz> oic lol
[11:58] <starz> thats great
[12:00] <ompaul> starz, the supported method is one leap at a time - dapper - edgy - feisty
[12:00] <starz> yeah
[12:00] <starz> i got the disk to install from so i should just try it lol
[12:00] <starz> what's the worst that could happen :>
[12:00] <starz> mm
[12:01] <elkbuntu> you lose everything
[12:01] <starz> i noticed that beryl was way slower in dapper than in feisty
[12:01] <starz> elkbuntu exactly- which on hda ive got backed up on hdb which i could just unplug
[12:01] <Hobbsee> starz: dependancy errors that you have to manually fix.
[12:02] <starz> ah
[12:02] <starz> that could be fun
[12:02] <starz> lol
[12:02] <starz> but i was wondering beryl+xgl in feisty vs in dapper is the feisty version faster?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> it's later, so likely
[12:02] <starz> b/c the feisty i have on hdb1 is kde based
[12:02] <starz> and it ran ok..
[12:02] <starz> ah
[12:03] <starz> !upgrade
[12:03] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:05] <Draconicus> Azureus is broken. I'm so very tired. I know there's a way to make it work. It just crashes. It's not a bug. It's something I configured wrong probably.....
[12:05] <Draconicus> Please..... help...
[12:05] <Draconicus> I can't remember how I made it work before...
[12:06] <[Cade] > don't use the version in the repos
[12:06] <Draconicus> I can't append torrents to the one I downloaded, though...
[12:06] <Draconicus> Unless there's a deb now...
[12:06] <Draconicus> I had to make my own shell script to launch it. I don't know how to add torrents into it that way...
[12:07] <Draconicus> Do you?
[12:07] <[Cade] > nope
[12:07] <[Cade] > I use uTorrent over wine
[12:07] <Draconicus> Oh.
[12:07] <Draconicus> Right. I was going to try that.
[12:07] <Draconicus> How's that working for you?
[12:07] <[Cade] > Works like a charm.
[12:07] <Draconicus> Right..
[12:07] <[Cade] > All of it works. =)
[12:08] <Draconicus> How do you forward the file thing to WINE?
[12:08] <[Cade] > not sure... I just open them manually via uTorrent once I've downloaded the .torrent
[12:08] <Draconicus> That's retarded.
[12:08] <Draconicus> This is why I'm trying to avoid.
[12:09] <[Cade] > I'm sure there's a way to do it
[12:09] <Draconicus> That gives me a bunch of unused torrent files sitting around.
[12:09] <[Cade] > I just don't know
[12:09] <[Cade] > speaking of that sleeping thing
[12:09] <[Cade] > it's time for me to go do it
[12:10] <[Cade] > good luck
[12:13] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[12:13] <r00tintheb0x> just crashed firefox
[12:14] <starz> mm
[12:14] <arejay> hrm, i wonder if grub can boot osx
[12:14] <starz> well i see the upgrade-manager -d didnt work
[12:14] <starz> not directly to feisty from dapper.
[12:14] <starz> gonna install via cdrom bbl ^^
[12:15] <starz> yaknow tho
[12:15] <hassan> hello, i have just updated my feisty and now my wireless does not work anymore, the intel ipw3945 module is loaded ( i had this before, and the solution was then to copy some file to filename`uname -r`. does somebody know how i can solve this?
[12:15] <starz> makes me wonder if i went text only and installed e17 if any compiz/beryl functions would work
[12:19] <Eleaf> avahi is not working on my computer unless I disable my firewall..
[12:19] <Eleaf> what shall I do?
[12:20] <Eleaf> (when the firewall is disabled, it only lists workstate, but not any other services)
[12:20] <Eleaf> using avahi-detect and an applet thing.
[12:20] <eexpress> hi, suddenly, my sound gone after a suspend. not any error infor i can found. just no sound. who can help ???
[12:20] <eexpress> if any method to check or reinstall the sound system?
[12:21] <eexpress> mplayer/aplay all works, just no sound hear.
[12:22] <eexpress> any advise?
[12:22] <zdzichuBG> eexpress: there a bug in launchpad about that
[12:23] <eexpress> zdzichuBG: so , if you can give the link?
[12:23] <zdzichuBG> moment, I'm just looking for it
[12:23] <eexpress> thanks
[12:23] <zdzichuBG> eexpress: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/80893
[12:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 80893 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[Feisty]  Inaudible audio upon resuming from suspend-to-disk" [Low,Confirmed] 
[12:24] <Draconicus> I've figured it out.
[12:24] <eexpress> ok, thanks zdzichuBG
[12:30] <eexpress> a lot of people. ooooo. i try the 2.6.20-12 kernel.
[12:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ?
[12:41] <zdzichuBG> all those regressions in kernel are scary
[12:42] <ompaul> zdzichuBG, the do stuff - that is all - and it is seen as needed
[12:43] <ompaul> s/the/they
[12:43] <peter77> how do I install the gnome dock
[12:44] <peter77> gnome-dock.org doesn't seem to give any details on how to download or install it!
[12:46] <peter77> anyone?
[12:47] <zdzichuBG> http://www.gnome-dock.org/trac/browser/trunk/README
[12:52] <peter77> ok, thanks
[12:52] <peter77> does it only work with compiz or beryl as well?
[12:55] <RAOF> peter77: It doesn't need anything to work, but you are aware that it's (1) a tech preview and (2) pretty much abandoned, right?
[12:55] <RAOF> peter77: You're probably thinking of awn
[12:55] <peter77> does it work or is it only partially completed?
[12:55] <RAOF> Check out "avant window manager" or somesuch
[12:56] <RAOF> peter77: It doesn't really do anything.  Well, you *can* launch programs from it, but that's about it.
[12:57] <peter77> avant window manager can be used with bery right?
[12:59] <RAOF> Yes.
[12:59] <RAOF> (Everything can be used with beryl)
[12:59] <peter77> cool, I might try it
[12:59] <RAOF> Actually, it's called "avant window navigator"
[01:00] <RAOF> It's on googlecode, and it's the first hit for "avant window" in google :)
[01:00] <peter77> I found this tutorial on the ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2093300
[01:03] <zdzichuBG> I've just comiled avn and it seem to work
[01:03] <O_o> man next time i get a motherboard, i'll go for some other brand like Abit...
[01:04] <O_o> hmmm
[01:06] <tapas> does onqueror in feisty support 128 bit encryption?
[01:06] <tapas> s/onqueror/konqeror/
[01:06] <RAOF> In what way?  You mean, with https/SSL?  Of course.
[01:06] <tapas> [my online banking thingy is telling me it's not and i suspect they just decide on the browser id string and not on the real features] 
[01:07] <lupine_85> tapas: you can get konq. to lie about what browser it is
[01:07] <RAOF> Almost certainly.
[01:07] <mycroftiv> tapas: konqueror can spoof its browser identity
[01:07] <lupine_85> (Tools -> Change Browser Identity)
[01:07] <tapas> adn before yelling at them because they hired stupid web devs i thought i made sure i was right :)
[01:07] <tapas> ye
[01:07] <tapas> that's a workaround though and not a fix of my bank's software :)
[01:08] <RAOF> Well, you have little control over your bank's stupid webdesign. :(
[01:09] <tapas> i can write them a mail at least and tell them about the problem
[01:09] <RAOF> Yes, that's a good idea.
[01:14] <Turgonvac> Hello! Feisty beta has allowed me to install Ubuntu without any hassle in a computer that gave many problems before. Thanks everyone for your work. My question is about the "Recommended updates" option in the "Updates" tab at the "Software Sources" window. It is not checked nor unchecked, but with a "-" sign. Does this mean that "Recommended updates" are enabled or not? Shoud I touch the checkbox?
[01:17] <tapas> ok, even with a different browser identification i still get the same warning
[01:18] <tapas> i suppose konqueror is really missing support for what they call "128 bit encryption"
[01:18] <tapas> [i don't know whatthey mean with it thuogh
[01:18] <RAOF> I find that hard to believe
[01:18] <tapas> https://www.sparkasse-bielefeld.de/
[01:18] <tapas> click online banking
[01:18] <tapas> [site unreachable for me at the moment though - great timing] 
[01:19] <tapas> i don't see the logic in that statement, but i can accept the first part :)
[01:20] <RAOF> Well, konqueror is hardly a standard part of a Gnome desktop :)
[01:21] <tapas> yes, but you can install it anyways :)
[01:21] <RAOF> Also, the site is down in Epiphany, too.
[01:21] <tapas> i like firefoxes features more, but konqueror feels much lighter
[01:22] <tapas> RAOF: ah ok then it's not just my damn router which often has some dns probs in combiantion with konqueror
[01:36] <starz> yey
[01:36] <starz> did no-gui-install put in icewm and now putting in e17 :3
[01:37] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using feisty fawn and somehow opera 9.10 is core dumping a couple days ago.  any idea why?
[01:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> what are peoples opninions about leaving laptops on 24/7 and just sleeping the display?
[01:42] <RAOF> If it wakes up from suspend right, just suspend it.
[01:43] <Zewey> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: mpd is my alarm clock, so i usually just leave it running. works well, no complaints. ;)
[01:43] <ompaul> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, nothing wrong as long as the box is cooling as and when it needs to
[01:45] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ompaul: it holds at about 47c at idle
[01:45] <ompaul> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, well my really important quesiton is why leave it on
[01:46] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ompaul: i just don't see the point in shutting down unless its gonna prevent some sort of damage
[01:46] <ompaul> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, leave it on a solid surface with air able to flow around it should be fine
[01:47] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> it sits on my desk as my primary device
[01:47] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its quite a nice lil laptop
[01:48] <ompaul> fine
[01:49] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if its idling at 47c and max at 53c, thats not hot eh?
[01:50] <SlimeyPete> that's normal
[01:51] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> alrighty
[01:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> does gnome have a more complex power manager than the stock one ? onje that'll let me lower the cpu frequency?
[01:59] <mifritscher> hi
[02:00] <mifritscher> I've a problem with slapd
[02:00] <jussi01> !info slapd
[02:00] <mifritscher>  slapadd: line 14: database (dc=fritscher) not configured to hold "dc=localdomain"
[02:00] <ubotu> slapd: OpenLDAP server (slapd). In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.30-2 (feisty), package size 1127 kB, installed size 3004 kB
[02:00] <mifritscher> while updating from 6.10 to 7.04
[02:01] <mifritscher> while running the postinstallscript
[02:08] <Hobbsee> jussi01: then why are you running the dev version?  :P
[02:08] <poningru> heh
[02:09] <jussi01> Hobbsee, I mean upgrades from 6.10 to 7.04 etc... just do a clean install...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:11] <Hobbsee> actually, i found this one to be painless
[02:11] <Hobbsee> doing a clean install of 6.10, and upgrading
[02:11] <Hobbsee> er, except for fooling the installer, of course
[02:15] <Enverex|LT> Hrm, my desktop appears to have just hosed itself
[02:16] <Enverex|LT> (after updating thismorning)
[02:16] <Enverex|LT> I rebooted, it said that it was loading files needed to boot, then started complaining about being unable to find anything then dropped me at a prompt, not a good thing
[02:25] <starz> oi
[02:25] <blippe> !
[02:26] <starz> mm e17 not too bad so far
[02:26] <starz> but nvidia drivers giving me a run
[02:26] <starz> but i think i just hadnt enabled em :P
[02:33] <Enverex|LT> Anyone alive? A little help would be appreciated
[02:34] <lupine_85> Enverex|LT: tried booting from an older kernel?
[02:34] <lupine_85> what files does it say are missing, anyway?
[02:35] <Enverex|LT> Everything basically, echo $PATH only shows /sbin and /bin so it complains about everything else and drops me to a terminal
[02:35] <eexpress> hi, i want modify some key under tty. just like xmodmap done it. want esc -> f11....my esc key is bad now.
[02:35] <lupine_85> Enverex|LT: does it mount your root or are you still in the initramfs?
[02:35] <Enverex|LT> It's mounted root
[02:35] <Enverex|LT> lupine_85, But then if I "init 5" it loads X and everything seems ok
[02:36] <Enverex|LT> It's weird, it's like the script for runlevel 1 is broken or something
[02:36] <Stormx2> Oh for pete sake!
[02:36] <Stormx2> I can't install anything!
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> ok im back
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> who needs help
[02:39] <Stoffelito> hi everybody. i've got a weird networking problem. after some period of time my download speed decreases to 40kb/s (though 600+ kb/s are possible). shutting down and bringing up the network interface again restores "normal" speeds which decrease after some time again. i already tried disabling ipv6, setting tcp_window_scaling to 0 but none solved the problem... any ideas?
[02:39] <Stoffelito> discovered this anomaly in 6.10 but it is also present in 7.04
[02:39] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, i'd check your hardware 1st
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> then your MTU of your ethernet card.
[02:40] <r00tintheb0x> Enverex|LT, so fix your path
[02:41] <Stoffelito> ok, but the thing i don't understand is that i temporarily have full speeds after restarting the network interface
[02:41] <Stoffelito> 15 minutes or so later it's stagnating at about 40kb/s
[02:41] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, did you ever have windows on this machine?
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> did it happen then?
[02:42] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, where are you downloading from also
[02:42] <Stoffelito> yes i have xp and vista. no problem there... also no problem on live-cd distros like knoppix
[02:43] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, are you downloading from the same sources?
[02:43] <Stoffelito> it affects all sites. ubuntu updates, normal downloads. no restriction to firefox, wget also is affected
[02:43] <Stoffelito> yes
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, no loose cables?
[02:44] <Enverex|LT> r00tintheb0x, How exactly would I do this? It's on init1 that it's broken, not after I've logged in or anything
[02:44] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[02:44] <Pupeno_> I've just installed Feisty and it is failing to open my cryptsetup encrypted FS. I've run a Edgy livecd and the FS is still there, openable and readable. Is this an incompatibility problem? a bug? any ideas?
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> Enverex|LT, when it boots its broken even before you log in?
[02:44] <r00tintheb0x> duno Pupeno_
[02:45] <Enverex|LT> r00tintheb0x, Yes, boot fails because of it
[02:45] <Stoffelito> nope. i checked evrything. i have 2 nics onboard with 2 different drivers. this anomaly shows on both nics so i think it's no hw or driver issue
[02:45] <r00tintheb0x> Enverex|LT, have you fdsked and everything
[02:45] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[02:46] <Stoffelito> after "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" i've got maximum speed for a while
[02:46] <Enverex|LT> r00tintheb0x, Yes
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, "sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500"
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> then try that
[02:46] <Enverex|LT> r00tintheb0x, When it drops me to the prompt after everything failing, I can do "init 5" then it seems to boot normally, which is really weird
[02:46] <Stoffelito> MTU is 1500
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> let me know if it does anything
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> Enverex|LT, sounds like its booting into read only mode.
[02:46] <r00tintheb0x> sounds like dirty filesystems.
[02:48] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, whats the model of your ... wait
[02:48] <r00tintheb0x> you said different nics right
[02:48] <r00tintheb0x> different cables?
[02:48] <r00tintheb0x> different machines on the same switch?
[02:48] <Stoffelito> no, same cable (i only use one nic)
[02:49] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, what NIC
[02:49] <Stoffelito> yes, my notebook is one the same switch (running xp). no problems there
[02:49] <Stoffelito> nforce onboard
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, what kind of computer do you have
[02:50] <Stoffelito> athlon x2 3800+, asus mobo
[02:50] <Pupeno_> The question is, I don't mind restoring from a backup, if it is an incompatible problem, but if it is a bug, then it'll be a waste anyway.
[02:50] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, what model motherboard
[02:51] <Stoffelito> a8n-sli
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> ty
[02:51] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, the NIC is onboard correct?
[02:51] <Stoffelito> right
[02:52] <Pupeno_> Why is my HD /dev/sd instead of /dev/hd in Feisty?
[02:52] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, post me "/etc/networking/interfaces" to http://pastebin.ca
[02:52] <r00tintheb0x> Pupeno_, its SATA
[02:53] <zdzichuBG> Pupeno_: feisty uses new IDE drivers
[02:53] <Pupeno_> r00tintheb0x: unless Feisty has the power of upgrading my notebook's hardware from PATA to SATA, I don't see how that's possible.
[02:53] <zdzichuBG> Pupeno_: utilizing libata, which right now uses scsi layer
[02:54] <Pupeno_> zdzichuBG: I see.
[02:54] <Stoffelito> http://pastebin.ca/429769
[02:54] <Pupeno_> zdzichuBG: maybe that's what screwed crypted fs.
[02:54] <r00tintheb0x> Pupeno_, if you want to get technical about it fiestys drivers now recognize PATA as SATA
[02:54] <Pupeno_> zdzichuBG: is there any web site explaining the change?
[02:54] <zdzichuBG> Pupeno_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/libata-for-all-ata-disks
[02:54] <r00tintheb0x> much like STAT isnt HDA
[02:54] <r00tintheb0x> they're SDA
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, how's that paste coming
[02:55] <peter77> I've installed the avast window navigator but I can't figure out how to get it to launch apps!
[02:55] <Stoffelito> what do you mean?
[02:55] <Pupeno_> r00tintheb0x: thanks.
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, post me "/etc/networking/interfaces" to http://pastebin.ca
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> do you understand?
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> no problem Pupeno_
[02:55] <Stoffelito> i did already ;-) http://pastebin.ca/429769
[02:55] <r00tintheb0x> oh sorry
[02:55] <greig_> is there a problem with no volume with fiesty?
[02:56] <zdzichuBG> greig_: after resume?
[02:56] <shirish> zdzichuBG: do u mean at some stage libata would not be using the scsi layer?
[02:56] <Pupeno_> is this libata thing only through the beta, or will it be there on Feisty final?
[02:57] <greig_> zdzichuBG : what do u mean after resume?
[02:57] <zdzichuBG> shirish: yes, generic functionality from scsi will be moved to block layer; then libata will be detached from scsi and pluged into block
[02:57] <Stoffelito> i also discovered this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297631 - this is exactly my problem... unfortunately no solution found yet
[02:57] <zdzichuBG> greig_: there is a problem with sound when suspending and resuming laptops
[02:57] <shirish> zdzichuBG: what that would mean in layman language?
[02:57] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, how many NIC interfaces does the motherboard have?
[02:58] <greig_> zdzichuBG oh i see,  well ive just  upgraded from 6.10 and have no volume
[02:58] <zdzichuBG> shirish: nothing important, technical details ;)
[02:58] <Stoffelito> 2 ethernet interfaces (nforce and marvel i think) and firewire
[02:58] <zdzichuBG> shirish: *maybe*, but just maybe, disk names will change from sdX to diskX
[02:58] <shirish> zdzichuBG: for I have been experiencing slow transfer speeds, slow everything with libata
[02:58] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, do you know how to use bash?
[02:58] <Stoffelito> yes
[02:58] <r00tintheb0x> the command prompt?
[02:58] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[02:59] <r00tintheb0x> dmesg |grep eth0
[02:59] <r00tintheb0x> whats the result
[02:59] <Stoffelito> [    7.056000]  eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8141 bound to 0000:00:0a.0
[03:00] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, join #flood
[03:00] <r00tintheb0x> so we can flood
[03:00] <Stoffelito> k
[03:01] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: do u know what is a local caching nameserver?
[03:02] <r00tintheb0x> eeh
[03:02] <r00tintheb0x> i have my own DNS server
[03:02] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[03:03] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: can u give me a link or something so I can find out more about this
[03:03] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: seems one can get faster speeds with a local caching nameserver
[03:03] <r00tintheb0x> sure let me finish helping Stoffelito
[03:04] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: for I know atleast 5 or 6 DNS server names
[03:04] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: sure :)
[03:04] <shirish> zdzichuBG: bug #96693
[03:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 96693 in linux-source-2.6.20 "poor performance hard disk IDE" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96693
[03:05] <Pupeno_> Is this libata thing only through the beta, or will it be there on Feisty final?
[03:06] <vendetta> hey
[03:07] <reez> is there anybody here using protech distro?
[03:07] <shirish> Pupeno_: it would be on final I think
[03:08] <Suurorca> I was under the impression it will be final unless some cardinal issue will pop up.
[03:10] <vendetta> so anyone familiar with ati on the new ati install on 7.4
[03:10] <vendetta> xorg.conf complains about version
[03:10] <Pupeno_> Ok then, I'll take some time to try this.
[03:12] <r00tintheb0x> Stoffelito, here's more on what i think your problem is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402236&highlight=eth0+forcedeth.c
[03:13] <shirish> zdzichuBG: you here?
[03:13] <zdzichuBG> sorry, I had supper
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, unless you're on dialup
[03:13] <r00tintheb0x> you're not going to see a benifit of caching servers
[03:14] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: nope on broadband here
[03:14] <r00tintheb0x> not worth it then
[03:14] <shirish> zdzichuBG: ok cool, how do I change my udma flag from 2 to 5?
[03:14] <shirish> zdzichuBG: for hard disk?
[03:15] <zdzichuBG> shirish: I don't think it possible, libata automatically select highest mode
[03:15] <zdzichuBG>   Tim Gardner  said on 2007-03-30:  (permalink)
[03:15] <zdzichuBG> lib-pata fix is pending.
[03:15] <vendetta> anyone help with a xorg.conf prob under 7.4?
[03:15] <r00tintheb0x> sure vendetta whats up
[03:15] <shirish> zdzichuBG: yup I know, it has set mine at udma2 while I now know my hdd can do udma5
[03:15] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, hdparm
[03:15] <chedabob> hey, im having a problem with 7.04 : When I boot it up, my monitor says "Mode not supported" which I presume is because Feisty defaults to 1280x1024, which my LCD won't accept. So I press ctrl+1 to switch to terminal, so I can edit Xorg, and it just says "Loading..." and stays like that. Any ideas?
[03:16] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: im reading the man of hdparm as we speak
[03:16] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[03:16] <zdzichuBG> r00tintheb0x: hdparm don't work with SATA discs IIRC
[03:16] <zdzichuBG> sdparm could
[03:16] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, ctrl+alt+f1
[03:16] <zdzichuBG> but I don't know what it worth
[03:16] <r00tintheb0x> oh its SATA
[03:16] <shirish> zdzichuBG: I have an IDE hdd
[03:16] <r00tintheb0x> dont do that then shirish i burned one up like that
[03:16] <chedabob> r00tintheb0x: yeah, thats what i meant :P
[03:17] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, it isnt fully booting
[03:17] <vendetta> r00tintheb0x: well when i try to install it tells me xorg.conf version is 7.2 and it doesn't support higher than 7.1
[03:17] <r00tintheb0x> you need to boot into rescue mode and edit it
[03:17] <chedabob> r00tintheb0x: ive not even installed it yet
[03:17] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, you somehow did.
[03:18] <chedabob> i havn't. Im booting off the live cd
[03:18] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, look inside xorg.conf for 7.1 and change it back to  7.1
[03:18] <r00tintheb0x> what?
[03:18] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[03:18] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: is there a way to have more than 2 DNS nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf?
[03:18] <r00tintheb0x> yes shirish you can have up to 3
[03:18] <chedabob> I've not got as far as installing. It sticks right after the splash dissappears
[03:19] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: there should be a way to have more, just in case one goes down, the others can be used
[03:20] <r00tintheb0x> yes thats why you can have 3
[03:20] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, one sec
[03:21] <r00tintheb0x> chedabob, try some of these boot parameters.... (if all else fails try using them all at once)
[03:21] <r00tintheb0x> linux noapic pci=routeirq pci=noacpi acpi=off irqpoll
[03:22] <chedabob> noapic?
[03:22] <chedabob> shouldn't that be noacpi?
[03:22] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, http://pastebin.ca/429795
[03:23] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[03:23] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[03:23] <chedabob> kk brb
[03:23] <r00tintheb0x> my bad, been a long night
[03:23] <zdzichuBG> acpi and apic are two different things
[03:23] <zdzichuBG> not a typo
[03:23] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: what is search123.com for?
[03:24] <r00tintheb0x> yours should be search domainnameofyourisp.com
[03:24] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I can do that+ use the opendns domain name also?
[03:25] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[03:25] <r00tintheb0x> you should have a
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> search whateveryourhostingprovidersnameis.com
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> nameserver 123.123.123.123
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> nameserver 123.123.123.122
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> nameserver 123.123.123.123
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> the DNS servers you use dont matter
[03:26] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: understood, filled it in :)
[03:26] <r00tintheb0x> good
[03:27] <r00tintheb0x> i meant acpi
[03:27] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[03:28] <r00tintheb0x> anyone else?
[03:37] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I am unable to get notifications for updates?
[03:38] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, why do you think that.
[03:38] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I want the updates to be downloaded in the background but the notification should be there so I know what updates have happened, possible?
[03:38] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: because I look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty
[03:39] <r00tintheb0x> you all have to remember this is beta software
[03:40] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: it gives updates as to what packages have been sent
[03:40] <r00tintheb0x> restart it is all i can sugguest
[03:40] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: understood, just saying whether its something I have not configured right or is there some issue there
[03:42] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I just did an sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[03:42] <r00tintheb0x> maybe your updates will work now :D
[03:43] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I just did that whole thing 5 mins. back, I usually have to do this manually instead of it being an automatic thing.
[03:44] <r00tintheb0x> weird
[03:44] <r00tintheb0x> check it out on the forum
[03:44] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: yup
[03:45] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: would do that for sure, one more thing though, does it always downloads the meta-data or it checks meta-data while doing the update & and & only if there are changes to the meta-data file then the meta-data file is downloaded for e.g. some packages.gz
[03:45] <r00tintheb0x> right
[03:46] <r00tintheb0x> it syncs w/something
[03:47] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I was thinking something on the lines of either a something like an md5 checksum (although md5 is vulnerable)
[03:47] <r00tintheb0x> or a cron job
[03:48] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: that is in my list of things to learn, cron & anacron
[03:48] <stefg> !info linux-image
[03:48] <stefg> hey, ubotu, wake up!
[03:48] <ubotu> Package linux-image does not exist in feisty
[03:49] <shirish> stefg: he is surely fast asleep
[03:49] <shirish> !linux-image
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <stefg> !info linux-image-generic
[03:49] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20.14.12 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[03:49] <martalli> Running kubuntu feisty here.  Adept says that a "version upgrade" is available.  However, the "release announcement" is blank, and so it won't let me proceed further.  apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade had returned no updates available
[03:49] <martalli> What's going on?
[03:50] <shirish> martalli: no idea, same thing here, I know they are updates but do not know why its not showing
[03:51] <martalli> I just ssh's into my son's edubuntu comp and there are no upgrades for it, either (feisty edubuntu, of course only using apt-get)
[03:51] <stefg> oooh... no! -14 won't boot for me. Combined with the line in the topic /What's in feisty now is more or less feisty final/ means: ubuntu blew it another time. Arrghhh. Dapper was buggy when released, edgy was a mess which never ran.... and now Feisty took the wrong turn in the last minute, too? Can't believe that ... :-(
[03:52] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: are u familiar with the program crash debugging process?
[03:52] <r00tintheb0x> negative
[03:52] <shirish> anybody experienced in debugging program crashes
[03:53] <martalli> shirish - my experience has only been negative - if I start to report them, it slows my comp to a crawl
[03:54] <shirish> martalli: I meant doing some backtraces on the local comp. itself
[03:54] <shirish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[03:54] <martalli> If it starts to complain, I just kill the process.  I would like a three part question to start "report all crashes in the background, 2. Report no crashes, 3. Repport individually (like it does now).  If I choose to report all, then it would do one at a time and not consume 100% of my comp in the process (nice the processes)
[03:54] <martalli> shirish, Sorry - no
[03:55] <shirish> martalli: although mine does not become slow, I have issues with apport putting things across to the net
[03:55] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: u still around m8
[03:56] <r00tintheb0x> yeah
[03:56] <shirish> martalli: in the sense that there is no ETA while posting crashes
[03:56] <r00tintheb0x> catching up on some emails
[03:56] <martalli> shirish, If you are talking about the privacy issues that apport raises, I agree with that, too.
[03:57] <martalli> My office is a physician office, and we may simply disable apport permanently if it appears int he final release
[03:57] <shirish> martalli: for me, its just the browser, most of the apps. I am not so concerned with
[03:57] <shirish> martalli: because they do not have any confidential data
[03:58] <martalli> shirish, We write letters  often choc full of confidential data.  Hard drives also full of confidential data.  I would be cautious with our comps - part of why we run linux and not win98 (like several of the comp started with =)
[03:59] <shirish> martalli: then u should write a blueprint, spec. I am sure in many places it would  be very valid.
[03:59] <martalli> shirish, What's a blueprint spec?
[04:00] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: can u have a look at bug #103611
[04:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103611
[04:00] <shirish> martalli: in a moment
[04:00] <martalli> shirish, nvmd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/apport/+specs?show=all
[04:00] <martalli> found it
[04:01] <shirish> yup thats it
[04:01] <shirish> !blueprints
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueprints - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <shirish> !blueprint
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueprint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <shirish> crazy ubotu
[04:01] <shirish> @blueprints
[04:02] <shirish> @blueprint
[04:03] <martalli> !crazy
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crazy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <martalli> !tale ayeetu
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tale ayeetu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <erdinger_> hey 7.04 folks. I've got a problem with feisty and beryl. On beryl-manager startup i get loads of this error: "** (beryl-manager:11069): CRITICAL **: can't execute beryl-xgl: Success" I suspect my xorg.conf to have some errors. Here is a paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14573/
[04:31] <r00tintheb0x> erdinger_, whats it say after can't execute beryl-xgl
[04:32] <erdinger_> r00tintheb0x, nothing. only this message 4 times a second
[04:34] <valehru> would there be a reason why ndiswrapper works one day, and then i reboot, it works again and then I reboot shutdown again and it stops working for some reason?
[04:34] <valehru> ndiswrapper working with broadcom that is.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> it's a broadcom.  anything's possible.
[04:34] <r00tintheb0x> hmmm
[04:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:35] <r00tintheb0x> valehru, kernel upgrade?
[04:35] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, no....I thought that might have been the problem but its not the reason
[04:35] <valehru> I have to re-install ndiswrapper during each upgrade..
[04:35] <valehru> but I do that each time.
[04:37] <r00tintheb0x> erdinger_, ati?
[04:37] <erdinger_> problem solved: beryl in feisty does not support XGL
[04:37] <r00tintheb0x> valehru, are you loading ndiswrapper @ boot?
[04:37] <valehru> Im pretty sure I am.
[04:37] <erdinger_> therefore i have to force apt to use 3rd party repo
[04:37] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[04:38] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, its in /etc/modules
[04:38] <r00tintheb0x> valehru, is it u.. ok
[04:38] <valehru> so ..yeah ..I am
[04:38] <r00tintheb0x> dmesg |grep ndis
[04:38] <r00tintheb0x> see if its starting
[04:38] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, check PM for output
[04:39] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, seems to be working fine now.
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> weird
[04:39] <valehru> I should try that the next time when it doesnt work.
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> you need to check that before you reinstall it
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[04:39] <valehru> its not consistant...know what I mean?
[04:39] <r00tintheb0x> yea
[04:40] <valehru> I seem to be having the same problem with nspluginwrapper.
[04:40] <valehru> My flash capability seems to be going every few times I restart
[04:40] <r00tintheb0x> never used nspluginwrapper
[04:40] <valehru> ahh k...anyone else here experiences the same problem?
[04:40] <r00tintheb0x> thats strange
[04:40] <valehru> yeah....really really strange
[04:43] <Arko> !ralink
[04:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:43] <valehru> !nspluginwrapper
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <MegaVolt> hi
[04:43] <MegaVolt> i got a problem installing kubuntu feisty beta on a new intel ore2 duo with geforce 8800 gts: i chose install kubuntu, kernel is loaded and then i see a black screen, nothing happens, evtl ctrl+alt+del doesnt work
[04:44] <MegaVolt> i was told 6.06 uses the nv driver for install, feisty uses the vesa stuff
[04:44] <nicolah> I get "could not find module fglrx" when I do "sudo restricted-manager" thanks
[04:44] <MegaVolt> the gef 8800 is not supported by nv (6.06 install did the same thing but that was expected) - why does feisty give me a blank screen ?
[04:45] <MegaVolt> and is it true that feisty will use vesa mode for install and not the nv driver ?
[04:45] <r00tintheb0x> MegaVolt, try so no=apic settings
[04:45] <MegaVolt> how do i do that ;) ?
[04:46] <r00tintheb0x> MegaVolt, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2394617
[04:51] <MegaVolt> r00tintheb0x: am i reading that right? there is no way to install any (k)ubuntu on a gef 8800 without the alternative install cd ?
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> thats what im gathering my friend :(
[04:52] <r00tintheb0x> or maybe a server cd
[04:52] <peter77> I've just updated and now the sound doesn't work
[04:53] <r00tintheb0x> peter what'd you update?
[04:53] <peter77> dunno it was an automatic update
[04:53] <r00tintheb0x> have you checked to see if your volume is turned up?
[04:54] <r00tintheb0x> peter77, have you checked to see if your volume is turned up?
[04:54] <peter77> erm
[04:54] <peter77> yes
[04:54] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> is it showing up under device manager.
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> what kind of sound card is it
[04:55] <r00tintheb0x> is the module loaded
[04:56] <nicolah> I get "could not find module fglrx" when I do "sudo restricted-manager" thanks
[04:56] <peter77> device manager?
[04:57] <r00tintheb0x> peter77, system>administration>device manager
[04:57] <peter77> not in the list
[04:57] <r00tintheb0x> are you using kubuntu?
[04:57] <peter77> ubuntu
[04:58] <r00tintheb0x> kde or gnome?
[04:58] <peter77> I'll see if it's checked in menu editor
[04:58] <r00tintheb0x> Peter.
[04:58] <r00tintheb0x> Listen to me VERY closely, and do nothing but what i ask.
[04:58] <r00tintheb0x> OK?
[04:58] <r00tintheb0x> What kind (make and model) of computer do you have.
[04:59] <peter77> Toshiba satellite pro A120
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> very good
[04:59] <r00tintheb0x> do you know how to use Bash, or the command console?
[04:59] <peter77> a bit
[05:00] <r00tintheb0x> open it up please.
[05:00] <peter77> ok
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> sudo -i
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> then put your password in
[05:01] <peter77> k
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> lsmod |grep snd-hda-intel
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> then type that
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> did
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> snd-hda-intel
[05:01] <r00tintheb0x> come back?
[05:02] <peter77> nothing came back
[05:02] <peter77> it just went to a new line
[05:02] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[05:02] <r00tintheb0x> lsmod
[05:02] <r00tintheb0x> do you see anything intel in that list
[05:03] <r00tintheb0x> ?
[05:03] <r00tintheb0x> there shouldn't be over 20
[05:03] <peter77> http://sial.org/pbot/24084
[05:04] <r00tintheb0x> more importantly peter77 do you know what those are?
[05:04] <peter77> modules in use
[05:04] <r00tintheb0x> you know what modules are for?
[05:05] <peter77> drivers for the hardware
[05:05] <r00tintheb0x> outstanding
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> aah i misworded it
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> i said snd-hda-intel
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> not snd_hda_intel
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> hehe, so the good thing is, your driver is loaded
[05:06] <r00tintheb0x> i took it you rebooted after your update?
[05:06] <peter77> hmm so it should be working
[05:07] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[05:07] <r00tintheb0x> im thinking its alsa
[05:08] <r00tintheb0x> /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[05:08] <[Cade] > peter77, are you by chance still using edgy or freshly upgraded from it?
[05:08] <peter77> upgraded from edgy
[05:08] <[Cade] > a buddy of mine, who uses Edgy, and has intel sound, lost sound for about two weeks
[05:08] <[Cade] > he said one of the edgy updates just recently
[05:08] <[Cade] > fixed it for him
[05:09] <peter77> but it's been working ok since, it just seems to have stopped after the latest upgrades
[05:09] <[Cade] > not sure how helpful that'll prove though.
[05:09] <r00tintheb0x> peter77,
[05:09] <r00tintheb0x> try this
[05:09] <r00tintheb0x> sudo aptitude install alsamixer
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> thats obviously a little outdated.
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> lets try...
[05:10] <peter77> I've already installed the alsa mixer
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> ok check it out peter
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> right click your vol. speaker up top right and go to properties
[05:10] <r00tintheb0x> preferences
[05:11] <r00tintheb0x> not properties
[05:11] <r00tintheb0x> under "Select the device to track and control" what do you have
[05:11] <inade> !daily
[05:11] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:12] <r00tintheb0x> peter77, did i lose you?
[05:13] <peter77> pcm, front, front mic, capture, capture1, capture2
[05:13] <r00tintheb0x> right
[05:13] <peter77> select pcm?
[05:13] <r00tintheb0x> right above that it should say like intel, or something of that nature
[05:13] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[05:13] <r00tintheb0x> no
[05:13] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[05:14] <r00tintheb0x> "select the device to track and control"
[05:14] <r00tintheb0x> its a dropdown menu
[05:14] <peter77> intel and realtek
[05:14] <magical_trevsky> !nvidia
[05:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <r00tintheb0x> YES
[05:15] <r00tintheb0x> pick intel peter77
[05:15] <r00tintheb0x> then hit close
[05:15] <peter77> k
[05:15] <r00tintheb0x> right click the speaker again, and select "open volume control"
[05:16] <r00tintheb0x> Find it?
[05:16] <peter77> k
[05:16] <r00tintheb0x> click the edit menu>preferences
[05:17] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: is there going to be anything newer to alsamixer or is it going to be here for a long time to come?
[05:17] <peter77> k, done
[05:17] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, my 1st distro was slackware 7
[05:18] <r00tintheb0x> and its been around since then
[05:18] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[05:18] <peter77> headphone, pcm, front and front mic are checked
[05:18] <r00tintheb0x> is master checked?
[05:18] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I have heard its not so easy to play with that one
[05:18] <r00tintheb0x> Check them all peter, anything that has to do w/output
[05:18] <peter77> checked and no change
[05:18] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I have played with redhat, mandriva before into ubuntu
[05:18] <r00tintheb0x> its fine once you get the hang of it shirish
[05:19] <r00tintheb0x> peter we're not done
[05:19] <arejay> anyway to encrypt my root (/) fs in feisty without having to re-install?
[05:19] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: perhaps you can help me nail something more once you are done with peter77
[05:19] <r00tintheb0x> check all that are relevant to output peter77 , then make sure NONE have red at the bottom and are turned up.
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> Then file>change device and do the same for the other mixer
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, whats the prob bob
[05:20] <Pupeno_> Anyone using cryptsetup on Feisty?
[05:20] <r00tintheb0x> no sir
[05:21] <arejay> Pupeno_, i see we are both researching the same subject :)
[05:21] <arejay> I was reading about debian etch being released today with out-of-box crypto
[05:21] <Pupeno_> arejay: I've concluded that at the very least, Edgy and Feisty seem to be incompatible in this matter.
[05:21] <Pupeno_> arejay: etch today? cool.
[05:21] <shirish> I have been experiencing x.org crashes or so it seems. I have registered bugs #104223 for this
[05:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 104223 in gnome-session "In sessions goes to login" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104223
[05:22] <arejay> Pupeno_, i found something on the forums for edgy, but involved a re-install
[05:22] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, i can almost gaurentee your xorg crashes arent ubuntu related
[05:22] <r00tintheb0x> :P
[05:22] <peter77> r00tintheb0x, nothings changed, when it upgraded it must have changed something
[05:22] <Pupeno_> arejay: I have no problem using cryptsetup on edgy, obviously you have to do it from the install (or in another partition).
[05:23] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: that might be due to the experimental driver I might be using, but can u guide me to what I should be looking for in /var/log/syslog, messages, x.org or x.org old
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> peter77, you have no red on either devices?
[05:23] <r00tintheb0x> have you rebooted?
[05:23] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: edit: not might,  I am using
[05:23] <valehru> figured out the nspluggin wrapper problem......
[05:23] <Pupeno_> arejay: I've wrote a tutorial about it on my blog: http://pupeno.com/2006/12/17/encrypted-home-in-ubuntu-or-kubuntu-or-debian/
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, if you're not firewalled and i can ssh in i'll fix it for you
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> im too tired to keep typing books
[05:24] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[05:24] <peter77> r00tintheb0x, no
[05:24] <arejay> Pupeno_, and this won't work on feisty?
[05:24] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, where you at?
[05:25] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: perhaps l8ter then, I also wanna learn in the process.
[05:25] <Pupeno_> arejay: I don't know, it may, it may not.
[05:25] <Pupeno_> arejay: but the egdy encrypted FS is not readable on feisty.
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> Houston TX
[05:25] <r00tintheb0x> ive been up all night
[05:26] <arejay> Pupeno_, eek! that dos'nt seem right? You would think it was backwards-compat.
[05:26] <valehru> r00tintheb0x, ahh k....was thinking you might have been over my end of the world...out in Beijing myself,..
[05:27] <shirish> Pune, India here :)
[05:27] <shirish> @now calcutta
[05:27] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 08 2007, 20:57:20 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 2 days
[05:27] <Pupeno_> arejay: indeed.
[05:27] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, paste me /var/log/Xorg.0.log in http://pastebin.ca
[05:27] <Pupeno_> arejay: which makes me wonder, maybe it doesn't work at all.
[05:27] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: in a moment box
[05:28] <Pupeno_> arejay: with the migration to libata on ide-ata HDs, maybe something changed causing an incompatibility.
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> peter77
[05:28] <r00tintheb0x> still there?
[05:29] <peter77> yup
[05:30] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: here it is http://pastebin.ca/429887
[05:30] <r00tintheb0x> im still lookin around for you too peter
[05:30] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I do like the new x.org it has so much more info. everything under one file, much better than before.
[05:32] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, does your X work at all
[05:32] <r00tintheb0x> it looks as it does
[05:33] <emilia> i shared a folder on my ubuntu pc, and when i try to access it from my windows pc, it asks for a password, but my ubuntu login doesnt work?
[05:33] <koeien> hi all, i just upgraded from Ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 and X stopped working. Is this a known problem? using the non-free nvidia driver... using the free nv driver fixed it
[05:33] <peter77> brb
[05:33] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: yup it does very well, thank you, sometimes (maybe randomly) or after some fixed duration (do not know), it just sends me back to the login thing. While everything is saved, the session becomes non-existent.
[05:33] <r00tintheb0x> ok peter
[05:35] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: for e.g. if in this session, I have Exaile playing music while in the previous session the music player was not on. If the random event occurs, then it would not show the music player hence wiping off the entire session. It is just annonying more than anything else as no data is lost (I think).
[05:36] <starz> arg
[05:36] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, so your desktop freezes up?
[05:36] <starz> i cant get the nvidia-glx drivers to work for some reason
[05:37] <starz> says i dont have the module loaded but i even reboot
[05:37] <starz> cant modprobe it either.. so mebbie i need to make it/?
[05:37] <starz> >.<
[05:37] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: nope nothing freezes, it happens just like when you log out, the only difference is it happens on its own, without me doing anything and its sudden.
[05:38] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: and of course nothing of the previous session state is saved.
[05:38] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, so X just dies?
[05:38] <r00tintheb0x> starz, how did you install them?
[05:39] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: atleast that is what he thinks, I do get the normal gdm login, not the text login, should I write that like that in Bug #104223
[05:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 104223 in gnome-session "In sessions goes to login" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104223
[05:40] <r00tintheb0x> who is "he"
[05:41] <peter77> ok I found out what the problem was
[05:41] <starz> help ;_;
[05:41] <peter77> I muted the volume in windows but windows mutes the hardware volume where as linux doesn't
[05:42] <koeien> hmm i'm having the same problem as starz i suppose
[05:43] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: Sebastian Bacher, he replied to my bug stating that it looks like x.org crashes & he had asked if I see something in the various logs /var/syslog, x.org.0.log, as well messages.0 although I have dumped all the logs, still if I could nail down where what is happening or what should I be searching for it would go long way for them to fix it.
[05:43] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I do not know what he meant by me seeing in those logs. what should I be searching for? I know one can see the logs through System > Administration > Log Viewer
[05:46] <neildarlow> hi, i am the reporter of bug 99159 - Human Style shown twice in OpenOffice.org preferences. Can anyone else confirm this bug please?
[05:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 99159 in openoffice.org "[feisty]  openoffice.org-2.2.0 - two entries for Human in style selector" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99159
[05:46] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, what video driver are you using?
[05:46] <r00tintheb0x> i810?
[05:46] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: lol, as said before the experimental 1.9.93 intel xf86-modesetting do u think that one is causing this problem?
[05:47] <r00tintheb0x> yupppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[05:47] <r00tintheb0x> eighty-six that crap
[05:47] <peter77> rootintheb0x, I found the problem
[05:48] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: because without it I was getting 640*480 & I could not at all use my desktop, only after switching to the newer driver I have full 1024*768 thing
[05:48] <peter77> I muted the volume in windows which for some reason can only be unmuted in windows (meaning I can ajust the volume all I want in ubuntu with no effect)
[05:48] <Gabz> ok big problem with 7.04 :P  planet penguin racer doesn't display the menus the words are missing
[05:49] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: why do u say that 86 is crap, what else can I use?
[05:50] <neildarlow> Gabz: it does that for me too. can't find a reference to a fix either
[05:50] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: this is p4, 1.8 ghz
[05:50] <arejay> hrm
[05:50] <r00tintheb0x> xf86-modesetting ?
[05:50] <r00tintheb0x> ive got a p4 3.2
[05:50] <Gabz> neildarlow:  i'm going to have to go back to 6.10 i'll be in trouble if it doesn't work :P
[05:50] <r00tintheb0x> you're talking about the modlines in xorg right?
[05:50] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: yup it is an experimental driver so that all the modes which your monitor can have are unlocked
[05:50] <neildarlow> Gabz: actually, they are displayed but only one pixel high
[05:51] <djm62> hello, I have a problem (possibly a bug) in banshee on feisty.  I am subscribed to some BBC podcasts, but they play with no sound and take less than a second to finish playing.  I have the console messages in front of me and they look.... erroriffic
[05:51] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: lemme find more info. for you on that
[05:52] <neildarlow> Gabz: it seems to be video driver specific. my Radeon 9250 doesn't work but a ProSavage does :S
[05:52] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: bug #90213 and before you say anything timo is the person who is maintaining the drivers for ubuntu
[05:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213
[05:52] <r00tintheb0x> ok
[05:52] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: atleast the intel ubuntu drivers
[05:53] <r00tintheb0x> right
[05:53] <Gabz> neildarlow:  i see so it's another ati. issue well as long as it's not an issue with the nvidia card that's alright
[05:53] <r00tintheb0x> then thats what it is
[05:53] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: actually you should read the bug and then reference that to what the guys at X.org are doing, I am really impressed by what these guys are doing there
[05:54] <r00tintheb0x> yeah me too
[05:54] <r00tintheb0x> i met the lady in charge of edubuntu recently
[05:54] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: if the mode-setting driver works out, for the 1st time we would be able to change resolutions on the fly, a step closer to MS
[05:54] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: cool :P
[05:54] <neildarlow> Gabz: you could wait until 19th April and decide whether to downgrade then ;)
[05:54] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[05:55] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: is she married, the lady from edubuntu?
[05:55] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I am sure they are the first to go, who does not like a girl/lady geek who is into linux? that itself is a turn-on
[05:56] <r00tintheb0x> not sure
[05:56] <r00tintheb0x> shes kinda cute though
[05:56] <Gabz> neildarlow:  yeah beta should automacitcally update to full with just a apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:56] <shirish> ;)
[05:56] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: can I add u as a buddy on my Gaim?
[05:57] <neildarlow> Gabz: or update-manage's funky distribution upgrade voodoo method
[05:57] <r00tintheb0x> sure thing
[05:58] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: cool that way, I know when you are up & I can bombard u little more without you having to be up all night, although the last few days have been all-nighters for myself, filing bugs, answering queries (what little I know)
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> right right
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> im a full time UNIX admin, so i dont have much time
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> but i help when i can
[05:58] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: cool :P
[05:58] <neildarlow> lauchpad keeps neildarlow up at night too :)
[05:58] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[05:59] <r00tintheb0x> hehe
[05:59] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: it is just so addictive, esp. when some things work & some do not.
[05:59] <Dwezek> Can I get a little help with getting my ATI x1800GTO card to do 1680x1050?  I installed the ATI driver and it seems to be working fine except for the fact that it will only do 1024x768.
[05:59] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: just like a game
[05:59] <r00tintheb0x> yep
[05:59] <neildarlow> shirish: things not working... addictive? what an unusual sense of humour you have :)
[05:59] <r00tintheb0x> like a puzzle
[06:00] <shirish> neildarlow: maybe u should call me masochist :)
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> Belinda Lopez is who i met, real nice lady
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> she wants me to be more involved
[06:00] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: lol, I am sure in more ways than one
[06:00] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[06:02] <shirish> guys will be going to dinner soon, anybody have any good luck finding a good torrent client, gtk+ based
[06:02] <shirish> dont quote me deluge, its still very much a work-in-progress
[06:02] <r00tintheb0x> uh yeah shirish
[06:02] <neildarlow> why do launchpad bug admitters never believe our bugs? it always "undecided" or "needs info" or "dmesg and lspci -nnvv". all delaying tactics until after release
[06:03] <thompa> im having trouble with hard rive space, disk usage says my drive is 52.7G, but shouldn't it say 60G
[06:03] <shirish> neildarlow: that is life. I do know the kind of mistakes I did when I filed my first bug, and maybe still do.
[06:03] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
[06:03] <neildarlow> thompa: that's marketing. they're sold in decimal, unformatted, capacity
[06:04] <r00tintheb0x> or (what i use) torrentflux
[06:04] <neildarlow> thompa: you get formatted, binary, capacity which is much less. good value eh?
[06:04] <thompa> neildarlow: i guess so. its a macbook anyway
[06:04] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: what is that torrentflux, btw is not gnome-bt the same as therein in stock distro.
[06:05] <neildarlow> thompa: my 160G reports 153G. that's life
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> oh snap shirish http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Deluge_a_new_Linux_Bittorrent_client_for_GTK_v0_3_released
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> check that out
[06:05] <shirish> thompa: all the hdds have the same issue
[06:05] <shirish> thompa: look for binary prefix in wikipedia
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> Deluge is a Bittorrent client written in Python and GTK+.
[06:05] <thompa> neildarlow: ok, i remember this now, i was worried cause of the delay in boot. i get a blank screen for 20 secs
[06:05] <r00tintheb0x> ;)
[06:06] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: I know I have tried 0.5 as well as built 0.6 yesterday (it was easy building it) but still most of the functions were no-go & it crashed couple of times.
[06:06] <teethdood> I'm looking for an ftp backup system to backup files to a webhost ftp server (so rsync is out).  Can anyone point me to the right direction?
[06:06] <thompa> i just installed feisty and wiped out mac, grub comes up but its delayed after a blank 20 sec screen
[06:06] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, there's .deb's for it.
[06:06] <r00tintheb0x> use them.
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> in fact
[06:07] <r00tintheb0x> feisty has it in its repos
[06:07] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: feisty has 0.5 in the repos, I might have to wait a while till he gets 1.0 out of the door
[06:08] <thompa> anyone know ho to get rid of the blank delay at boot, its no biggy, i got no refit is probably why
[06:08] <r00tintheb0x> hince "beta" ;)
[06:08] <thompa> do i meed to simulate a MBR or something
[06:08] <dystopianray_> thompa: this delay is before grub?
[06:09] <thompa> dystopianray_: yes im on an intel macbook, before i had dual boot, now i decided to wipe out osx and went full install
[06:10] <thompa> dystopianray_: there is no other partition other than / and swap
[06:11] <thompa> if it does not pose a danger i can deal with this dealy before grub
[06:12] <dystopianray_> thompa: well if it's before grub it sounds like it's something to do with efi
[06:12] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: the issue is I like to use them for some-time & some-times not, then it becomes an issue with atleast 0.5 not responding, have not filed any bugs for it, but it stalls.
[06:12] <thompa> dystopianray_: yes thats correct i think
[06:12] <dystopianray_> thompa: I don't think grub supports efi, so there must be some sort of mbr or bios emulation or something
[06:12] <dystopianray_> thompa: which might be what is causing the delay
[06:13] <thompa> dystopianray_: do you think i can just leave it for now
[06:13] <dystopianray_> thompa: sure, if it is causing no harm
[06:13] <thompa> i dont think so , just 20 sec delay. i dont like osx
[06:14] <dystopianray_> thompa: do you have the latest firmware or efi updates (or whatever) installed?
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> shirish, i gaurentee within 20 mins being in your box
[06:14] <r00tintheb0x> i could fix your problem.
[06:14] <thompa> dystopianray_: i installed all the firmware updates while in mac
[06:15] <thompa> dystopianray_: my file system is all ext3, so why do i need efi?
[06:15] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: no go there my friend, I am yet to familiarize myself with ssh & what it can do or not do.
[06:15] <dystopianray_> thompa: no efi is something that replaces the bios
[06:15] <openstandards> hi looking for some help getting my webcam to work not sure if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the driver, its SN9C10x based
[06:15] <thompa> dystopianray_: ok, so there is a beginning sector or something untouched
[06:16] <dystopianray_> thompa: I'm not very familiar with efi systems, i don't know
[06:16] <thompa> im wondering if i can install efi from linux then
[06:16] <dystopianray_> you already have efi
[06:17] <shirish> r00tintheb0x: hope that did not get rubbed in the wrong way
[06:17] <dystopianray_> thompa: all the intel macs have EFI rather than a traditional BIOS
[06:17] <mana> hi guys :)
[06:17] <openstandards> heres an output of lsusb and lsmod http://pastebin.ca/429869
[06:17] <thompa> dystopianray_: i see
[06:17] <openstandards> hi mana
[06:17] <mana> i have a question about filesystems in feisty kernel
[06:17] <dystopianray_> thompa: but efi can emulate some bios functionality for legacy systems (like windows) so that they can still work in the efi environment
[06:18] <mana> i want to buold a (gentoo) ubs-stick distri for myself but dont want to switch my host system as i like ubuntu. sooo ..
[06:18] <mana> i want to know if yaffs2 is available in feisty
[06:18] <pupeno> Ok, I've reported my problem on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/88213/comments/25
[06:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress] 
[06:18] <mana> i couldnt find the info using google
[06:19] <thompa> dystopianray_: i found something called elilo , says its efi linux boot loader
[06:19] <mana> *g* so in short, is yaffs2 in feisty kernel?
[06:19] <thompa> maybe i will just leave it
[06:19] <cliebow> suppose elilo will support netboot?
[06:19] <dystopianray_> thompa: lilo is a real pain in the arse though
[06:20] <dystopianray_> thompa: if you look in the forums this 20 sec delay may be a common issue with a solution
[06:20] <mana> ttertt ...
[06:21] <thompa> dystopianray_: thanks,
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> aaaah
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> back on godmachine
[06:22] <dystopianray_> godmachine?
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> And my Beryl works fine w/ Feisty by the way.
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> yes
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> ive been on my craptop all night
[06:22] <r00tintheb0x> im on my desktop now
[06:23] <r00tintheb0x> i went from a P3 1ghz with 256MB of ram, to a P4 3.2Ghz with 1G of ram
[06:23] <r00tintheb0x> haha
[06:23] <thompa> dystopianray_: i think i can reinstall refit in linux, im going to try that, it will give me a boot menu before grub
[06:24] <dystopianray_> thompa: refit?
[06:25] <thompa> bootmenu for efi
[06:26] <thompa> *rEFIt
[06:26] <dystopianray_> can it boot linux directly, bypassing grub?
[06:26] <thompa> no i dont think so
[06:27] <openstandards> http://pastebin.ca/429942 <-- can someone look at this before i file a bug report on launchpad
[06:27] <thompa> dystopianray_: i had it before in dual boot setup with osx,
[06:27] <pupeno> Does anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213] 
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88213
[06:29] <shirish> ok guys going off to dinner :)
[06:30] <Edulix> hi
[06:30] <Edulix> when I try to install eclipse it tries also to install gcj and what not
[06:30] <Edulix> but there must be a way to install eclipse with sun jre, which one?
[06:31] <mana> hmm even though i am upgrading right know, might one of you guys have a look into the kernel haders?
[06:31] <mana> headers
[06:32] <dystopianray_> Edulix: you'll probably need a sun-jdk not just the jre
[06:32] <mana> i'd like to see what you see in your /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-xx/fs
[06:33] <dystopianray_> openstandards: I'd guess that you were lacking the DGA module for X.org
[06:33] <Edulix> ok jdk
[06:34] <openstandards> yeah dystopianray_ nvidia dropped support it seems but i've ran xawtv without dga and it bitches about no space available on device
[06:34] <Edulix> dystopianray_: still, it should give two options: either use gcj or sun java implementation?
[06:35] <dystopianray_> openstandards: nvidia dropped support for it in 9xxx series drivers?
[06:36] <openstandards> yea
[06:36] <openstandards> its retarded ain't it
[06:36] <dystopianray_> wasn't dga some sort of security risk?
[06:36] <dystopianray_> Edulix: well you do have that option, but you must install sun-jdk first
[06:37] <openstandards> no idea
[06:37] <Edulix> ok
[06:37] <Edulix> http://www.0x09.com/node/20
[06:41] <assasukasse> ragazzi qualcuno sa come caricare le rom su gxmame???
[06:44] <transgress> god damn i hate when i forget to start things in screen
[06:45] <maccam94> is anyone else having issues with lvm on feisty?
[06:46] <efface> i am on the live cd and i cant get the gui to boot up, just a bunch of green lines
[06:46] <efface> had to download bitchx cause im stuck in terminal
[06:47] <transgress> what kind of video card do you have?
[06:47] <efface> i tried install the nvidia drivers and editing xorg, but gdm fails
[06:47] <transgress> did you try using the nv drivers?
[06:47] <efface> nvidia 6800, i know it works cause ive used ubuntu
[06:47] <dystopianray_> efface: do you have a 8800?
[06:47] <dystopianray_> oh
[06:47] <efface> 68--
[06:47] <efface> 6800
[06:47] <dystopianray_> that should just work
[06:48] <maccam94> when I boot it seems to hang on "kinit" or something, trying to resume from a saved state (which does not exist). i have to hit control-alt-del, where it resumes bootup but does not start gdm or initialize the lvm group. i have to log in on the console, load and mount the lvm partitions, and then bootup resumes and it seems to boot
[06:48] <efface> i tried downloading the drivers from the site and i also apt-get'd nvidia-glx
[06:48] <transgress> efface: from the livecd?
[06:48] <efface> yea
[06:48] <transgress> try using the nv drivers instead
[06:48] <maccam94> efface: to use the ones from nvidia's site you need to install build-essential first
[06:48] <dystopianray_> efface: run 'apt-get update' and try the newest nv driver
[06:49] <transgress> dystopianray_: he is on the live cd
[06:49] <efface> is there a command to just install from terminal?
[06:49] <efface> i do not see install.sh in my desktop dir
[06:49] <efface> another odd problem im seeing which may be related is my terminal screens are not updating and i see no cursor
[06:49] <transgress> efface: you can a) get the alternate cd and install using that... and hope it works ... which it probably will... or you can keep trying to get the livecd to work and i'd suggest using the nv driver instead of the nvidia driver
[06:50] <dystopianray_> transgress: you can update packages on the livecd and install whatever you want
[06:50] <efface> so lets say i run the command 'ls' i have to switch terminals then switch back to see the output
[06:50] <transgress> dystopianray_: i know that.  but it's running in ram, you don't want to update the whole thing.
[06:50] <efface> apt-get install nv, failed, doesnt exist
[06:50] <dystopianray_> transgress: you don't need to update the whole thing, only the nv driver
[06:50] <maccam94> it's xorg-video-nv i think
[06:51] <dystopianray_> efface: xserver-xorg-video-nv
[06:51] <markelhas> hi, can i update to 7.04 beta without lossing my stuff?
[06:51] <transgress> markelhas: you have a separate /home partition?
[06:51] <markelhas> transgress: how can i cheack that!?
[06:51] <efface> so there is no command to install ubuntu from term?
[06:52] <transgress> markelhas: you don't.  if you didn't make one then you don't.  you can check /etc/fstab and see if there is one...
[06:52] <dystopianray_> efface: run 'apt-get update' and install the newest nv driver and see if that works
[06:52] <efface> yea says i have the latest
[06:52] <efface> so ima remove
[06:52] <efface> and reinstall
[06:52] <dystopianray_> efface: is your xorg.conf set to use the "nv" driver?
[06:52] <markelhas> transgress: i don't think so
[06:53] <efface> yes, tried that, nvidia, and vga
[06:53] <maccam94> markelhas: in short yes you can (i did) but it can be risky, and it's just safer if you have a separate /home
[06:53] <dystopianray_> efface: you have version 2.0.0-0ubuntu3 of the nv driver?
[06:53] <markelhas> maccam94: i don't seem a /home drive :(
[06:53] <efface> gdm failed to start
[06:54] <markelhas> maccam94: can i creat one now?
[06:54] <transgress> markelhas: markelhas then wait until feisty is stable... at least most of the kinks will be out by then.
[06:54] <efface> ima remove gdm and reinstall it
[06:54] <maccam94> markelhas: not easily
[06:54] <maccam94> markelhas: just wait till the 19th ;-)
[06:54] <transgress> markelhas: you can use gparted.  that works most of the time.  but it's also risky
[06:54] <dystopianray_> efface: the problem is that if your video doesn't work on the livecd, then it's unlikely to work when you install it too
[06:54] <transgress> markelhas: and wait until the 19th
[06:55] <markelhas> maccam94: why until 19th!?
[06:55] <maccam94> that's when feisty is released
[06:55] <maccam94>  /topic
[06:55] <markelhas> maccam94: and that way i can uptdate with no problems!?
[06:55] <maccam94> pretty much
[06:55] <efface> dystopianray_ : whats odd is that ive used edgy, and then i upgraded to feisty, and now i want to go back to edgy, so im just using a clean install, so i have used my nvidia card in both releases, and played games in wine with it =/
[06:55] <maccam94> markelhas: it'll be available as an update in the update-manager
[06:56] <dystopianray_> efface: so it has worked before but this time it is not working?
[06:56] <markelhas> maccam94: ok them, but i should creat a /home partion anyway... best pratice!
[06:56] <Dwezek> Can I get a little help with getting my ATI x1800GTO card to do 1680x1050?  I installed the ATI driver and it seems to be working fine except for the fact that it will only do 1024x768.
[06:56] <efface> that is correct, thats wy im confused
[06:57] <dystopianray_> efface: what livecd are you trying right now? feisty or edgy?
[06:57] <topyli> what's up with this "avahi disabled" notification i get with every login?
[06:57] <topyli> my domain has always been good enough for every system i ever had
[06:57] <maccam94> markelhas: you'd have to shrink your existing partition, make a new one in the empty space, move everything in /home to it, and then edit /etc/fstab to make that partition mount to /home
[06:57] <efface> interesting, i got kdm to load, but gdm wont load
[06:57] <maccam94> efface: wait xdm?
[06:58] <markelhas> maccam94: hooooooooo that was scary :)
[06:58] <efface> havent tried xdm
[06:58] <maccam94> efface: have you tried running startx as the user?
[06:58] <efface> yes, startx starts fine
[06:58] <efface> er startx
[06:58] <dystopianray_> efface: ah, so X is starting just not gdm?
[06:59] <efface> i guess, the problem is there is green vertical lines and i cant see the desktop
[06:59] <maccam94> markelhas: it's best to do it when you install, so you can just make the partitions that way. it's possible to do it with shrinking, but it's riskier and more time-consuming
[06:59] <zdzichuBG> hmm, how to retrieve wifi password stored by NetworkManager in gnome-keyring?
[07:00] <markelhas> maccam94: at 19th i'll reinstall
[07:00] <efface> startx does green lines as well
[07:00] <transgress> markelhas: reinstall?  or just upgrade?
[07:01] <maccam94> markelhas: well even then, if there's already stuff on the drive you're going to have to do resizing... or backup the drive before wiping it
[07:01] <shirish> guys, does anybody know what bind-nameserver is all about?
[07:01] <maccam94> brb rebooting
[07:01] <dystopianray_> shirish: dns nameserver
[07:01] <markelhas> maccam94: ok
[07:01] <Nick^69> hi all
[07:03] <shirish> dystopianray_: somebody told me having a bind-nameserver installed & having all the dns nameservers I know in something called /etc/named.conf can reduce time to go to sites, also reduces network congestion at the ISPs end, is it true? I am on ADSL
[07:03] <dystopianray_> shirish: that person is an idiot
[07:04] <shirish> dystopianray_: could u be more specific, it works or does not work or what is this bind-nameserver thing used for?
[07:04] <taggie> Has anybody had luck getting NetworkManager .7 working on feisty?
[07:05] <Nick^69> from live cd 7.4 I should be abul to detcet my wirless network ?
[07:05] <dystopianray_> shirish: sure it could possibly work, but it's overkill, is going to be a pain to setup and is probably going to have wierd issues
[07:05] <dystopianray_> shirish: if you have a modem/router it'd already be caching dns for you
[07:05] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok gotacha
[07:05] <mifritscher2> hi, what can I do against slapadd: line 14: database (dc=fritscher) not configured to hold "dc=localdomain" ?
[07:05] <maccam94> woot, feisty booted
[07:05] <shirish> dystopianray_: yup I have a modem+router built-in
[07:05] <dystopianray_> shirish: yeah, that should be caching dns for you already
[07:05] <shirish> taggie: from where did u get 0.7 network manager, on .6.4 here?
[07:06] <TheVault> Hello everyone. Hows everyones Easter going?
[07:06] <dystopianray_> shirish: and there are much easier ways to get dns caching on a machine than by installing bind
[07:06] <maccam94> still need to fix the lvm issue though, it hangs when it gets to Setting up LVM Groups in the bootup process :-(
[07:06] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok cool, I do have DNS entered here
[07:06] <dystopianray_> shirish: bind is the sort of nameserver you'd use if you wanted a real dns server that was exposed to and used over the internet
[07:06] <taggie> shirish, i got it from their svn trunk. at it looks like i got NM working properly, but I can't get the gnome applet to work.
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray_: actually I have a list of around 10 dns servers, so I want to set it up in a way if one of the DNS servers goes down, it goes to another, in the sense minimum down-time for me.
[07:07] <dystopianray_> shirish: is that bind-nameserver trick something you saw on digg?
[07:07] <taggie> I only needed .7 because .6.4 doesn't have settings for leap.
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray_: actually somebody posted that on a forum I visit
[07:08] <dystopianray_> shirish: if your modem/router has enough dns entries you can put them all in and it should fallback on whatever ones work
[07:08] <dystopianray_> shirish: otherwise, you can put them in /etc/resolv.conf and your computer will automatically use whichever ones work
[07:08] <hylje> some systems overwrite resolv.conf on dhcp
[07:09] <shirish> dystopianray_: are u saying I can put 10 dns servers on /etc/resolv.conf
[07:09] <dystopianray_> shirish: hrrm actually I think there is a 3 nameserver limit
[07:09] <hylje> yes
[07:09] <shirish> dystopianray_: do have 3 nameservers there, that limit should somehow be increased.
[07:09] <dystopianray_> shirish: what sort of mission critical application are you running that needs that much redundancy?
[07:10] <cjsoftuk> Hi guys, I'm trying to set up 4.1 surround sound on a Creative SB Live! 5.1 card, but I don't see any option to configure 4.1!  Some help would be appreciated
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray_: just me, got unlimited net so want to use it as much as I can.
[07:10] <dystopianray_> shirish: 3 should be more than enough
[07:10] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: I think you need to set up alsa to use plug:surround41
[07:10] <shirish> dystopianray_: also have set it up as a static ip
[07:10] <shatrat> cjsoftuk, just use 5.1 and not hook up the sub?
[07:11] <taggie> shirish, if 3 dns servers aren't enough, you're probably better off fixing the DNS servers than adding more. :)
[07:11] <dystopianray_> shirish: i'd recommend just setting /etc/resolv.conf to use your modem/router as a nameserver
[07:11] <cjsoftuk> shatrat: I'm looking for 4 + subwoofer
[07:11] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: and how do I do that
[07:11] <dystopianray_> shirish: and putting some nameservers into your modem/router's configuration, your isp probably supplies 2 or more that you can use
[07:11] <shatrat> cjsoftuk, yeah I meant the other one, center I guess.  anyway I dont expect there is any difference in using fewer speakers
[07:11] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: have you check system->preferences->sound?
[07:11] <shirish> dystopianray_: I had set it up that way before, it somehow does not read it, its a D-Link DSL-502T
[07:12] <shirish> dystopianray_: does telnet require a sudo?
[07:12] <dystopianray_> shirish: what do you mean it doesn't read it?
[07:13] <dystopianray_> shirish: what are you telnet for?
[07:13] <shirish> dystopianray_: there is busybox on the router
[07:13] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: There's no option to set the configuration there
[07:13] <dystopianray_> shirish: no you don't need sudo for that
[07:14] <shirish> dystopianray_: what I mean It does not read it meaning I cannot surf the net
[07:14] <dystopianray_> shirish: do you have the latest firmware installed for it?
[07:14] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: I know, but is there a surround option at the bottom?
[07:14] <shirish> dystopianray_: yup
[07:14] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: I'm looking for something where I just tell Ubuntu how many speakers I have got, and where they are plugged in
[07:15] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: are you using the analog plugs?
[07:15] <dystopianray_> shirish: so you have valid dns entries in your modem/router's configuration?
[07:15] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: Yes
[07:15] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: or optical?
[07:15] <maccam94> k
[07:15] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: I do see the Surround option
[07:15] <dystopianray_> shirish: and /etc/resolv.conf on your machine has your modem/router set as the nameserver?
[07:15] <cypherdelic> Hello Everyone :)
[07:16] <shirish> dystopianray_: would have to talk in a while as my mum needs some info.
[07:18] <dystopianray_> maccam94: what sort of surround sound do you want? do you want stereo upmixed to 4.1? or you just want dvds and whatever to be able to provide 4.1 sound?
[07:18] <dystopianray_> ah sorry that was meant for cjsoftuk
[07:19] <cjsoftuk> dystopiamray_: Basically I just want my 4 speakers and a subwoofer to provide sound!  At present, only 2 of the speakers and the subwoofer play sound!
[07:19] <ericrost> I had a quick question, is nvidia-glx supposed to be handled by the "restricted-drivers" manager?
[07:19] <mana> i will go, see you later guys ;)
[07:19] <mana> keep the spirit up *g*
[07:19] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: what model card do you have again?
[07:19] <ericrost> I have it installed and working out of the repos on my system, but it didn't tell me that I could use it, and it doesn't show up in the manager
[07:19] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: what are you playing?
[07:20] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: Dell OEM Creative Labs Live! 5.1
[07:20] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: Just normal stero audio through totem
[07:20] <hateyla> i m trying to do " sudo apt-get update " but get this error.. " W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release: Unknown error executing gpgv "
[07:20] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: so you want stereo upmixed to surround automatically?
[07:20] <jm_> 2
[07:20] <ericrost> also, is anyone else having performance issues with ndiswrapper on amd64? I have a broadcom card and under edgy it was working well, under feisty it takes forever to connect
[07:21] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: yes, stereo -> surround and if there is surround provided, use it!
[07:21] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: if you play a dvd does it output on the surround speakers?
[07:21] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: let me see
[07:21] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: i think you need some ~/.asoundrc trickery to get stereo duplicated on the surround speakers
[07:21] <darx> hi folks
[07:21] <ericrost> anyone?
[07:22] <darx> my harddrive shows up as sda but i'm positive that it is an ide drive..
[07:22] <darx> why is this?
[07:22] <hateyla> darx: same with me..
[07:23] <ericrost> is nvidia-glx supposed to be under the restricted-drivers-manager? if so its not detecting my card...
[07:23] <maccam94> cjsoftuk: try running alsamixer in the terminal, and look for a Surround option. it should let you choose the number of speakers
[07:23] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: No surround sound from DVD either!
[07:24] <beg1689> doesnt detect mine in restricted driver manager either, driver works great though
[07:24] <darx> hateyla: it appears that it is a confirmed bug or something
[07:24] <darx> here the link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/92014
[07:24] <ericrost> beg1689: should it be filed as a bug?
[07:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 92014 in partman-base "Feisty partitioner sees EIDE drives as SCSI's" [Low,Fix released] 
[07:24] <hateyla> darx: then wht should we do?
[07:24] <cjsoftuk> maccam94: I don't see any options to set number of speakers :S
[07:24] <DanaG> oh, to duplicate stereo, you have to check mixer sliders.
[07:25] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: ok, in alsamixer make sure you have the volume levels for the surround unmuted
[07:25] <ericrost> beg1689: I've got an nvidia go6600? one of the newer go cards anyhow
[07:25] <DanaG> For example, on my Audigy 2, there are "Surround" and "Center" sliders.
[07:25] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: yes Surround is unmuted
[07:25] <johnnybuoy> hi all
[07:25] <cypherdelic> hey folkz i got a strange problem
[07:25] <dystopianray_> cjsoftuk: what app are you using the play the dvd?
[07:25] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/usr/lib$ ls -ls | grep jack
[07:25] <cypherdelic>     0 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root      240 2007-04-06 15:26 jack
[07:25] <cypherdelic>     0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root        4 2007-04-06 15:26 libjack0.100.0 -> jack
[07:25] <cypherdelic>     0 lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root       25 2007-04-06 15:26 libjack-0.100.0.so.0 -> libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23
[07:25] <cypherdelic>    80 -rw-r--r--  1 root root    78192 2007-01-12 16:58 libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23
[07:25] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/usr/lib$ ufoai
[07:25] <cypherdelic> ./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:25] <DanaG> For surround sound in movies, you have to set the player to use "plug:surround51"
[07:26] <johnnybuoy> does anyone have an sd/mmc integrated reader to test?
[07:26] <DanaG> I use Kaffeine because it's very configurable.
[07:26] <shirish> dystopianray_: about your question, no, it does not have my modem/router in the nameserver list it does have them however in the ip address & the gateway address thing.
[07:26] <johnnybuoy> mine doesn't get automounted
[07:26] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: and how do I do that
[07:26] <ericrost> johnnybuy: I do, but have nothing to plug into it :(
[07:26] <DanaG> What player do you use?
[07:26] <cjsoftuk> dystopianray_: I am using xine
[07:26] <shirish> dystopianray_: also my router has only space for giving 2 entries.
[07:26] <ericrost> johnnybuoy: I don't have one of the smaller cards that it takes on my lappy
[07:26] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: using xine
[07:26] <johnnybuoy> ericrost, :(
[07:27] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, the symling is pointing to the wrong lib.
[07:27] <dystopianray_> shirish: set the modem/router ip as your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:27] <ericrost> johnnybuoy: and the one that I have on my desktop works under edgy, but I haven't migrated that one yet
[07:27] <dystopianray_> shirish: 2 entries is more than enough
[07:27] <johnnybuoy> ericrost, ah...
[07:27] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: how to proceed?
[07:27] <robertj_> does anyone know why network manager no longer starts automatically? I have to run gksudo nm-applet to get it going
[07:27] <ericrost> johnnybuoy: cuz that one is older and takes the larger cards
[07:27] <openstandards> hello
[07:27] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, did you change anything in that directory?
[07:27] <johnnybuoy> ericrost, ah
[07:27] <DanaG> Aah, then go into the options and set it to explicitly use ALSA.
[07:27] <shirish> dystopianray_: hmm....
[07:28] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: no i didnt, and if you ask me that looks right? what is wrong, you thinkl?
[07:28] <johnnybuoy> ericrost, okay, no prob. I'll check the hal policy (etc.) files from the edgy version
[07:28] <shirish> dystopianray_: I was just looking to hedge my bets, oh well
[07:28] <DanaG> johnnybuoy: Texas Instruments FlashMedia reader?
[07:28] <DanaG> It's a bug that's been reported.
[07:28] <johnnybuoy> no, this is a ricoh
[07:28] <dystopianray_> shirish: you can put another 2 entries in /etc/resolv.conf if you want, different from the ones in the modem/router
[07:28] <ericrost> I've been having problems with either network-manager-gnome or with ndiswrapper... not sure which.. its a problem on connect and doesn't have a problem under edgy...
[07:28] <DanaG> Oh.
[07:28] <shirish> dystopianray_: oh cool
[07:28] <DanaG> I used to have a card, but I lost it.....
[07:28] <dystopianray_> shirish: but unless you have frequent dns dropouts and other issues then it's probably not necessary
[07:28] <DanaG> Or the dog ate it, or something.
[07:28] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, but it definitely is a bug that comes back...
[07:28] <johnnybuoy> heh
[07:29] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, yes, it does look right...
[07:29] <ericrost> well, I've gotta go get some work done.. packing an apartment up :(
[07:29] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok what entry should I put up for my router, would it be 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.2 ?
[07:29] <ericrost> my tinkering time is over
[07:29] <johnnybuoy> is it normal that the jack libs are world writable, btw?
[07:29] <johnnybuoy> ericrost, :)
[07:30] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: no that are the syminks, the lib itself isnt writable
[07:30] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/53268
[07:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 53268 in linux-source-2.6.15 "On Thinkpad X60s and Z60 SD card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:30] <dystopianray_> shirish: put it's ip address
[07:30] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, ah
[07:30] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, yes, I see now
[07:30] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok cool
[07:31] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, where is it looking for the libs? youcould try doing LD_PRELOAD="/path/to/jack/lib" ./ufo
[07:31] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: i have no idea why the game does not run, guys from #ufo:ai have no idea, here too, im having this problem now since about two weeks, nobody cares
[07:31] <dystopianray_> shirish: unless you have a specific need for static ip, things are much easier with dhcp
[07:32] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: i will try that
[07:32] <shirish> dystopianray_: i am using opendns.com as my dns provider
[07:32] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, if you compiled the game yourself, the prefixes might be mesed up
[07:32] <shirish> dystopianray_: and then using inadyn
[07:33] <johnnybuoy> (prefix=where the libs are)
[07:33] <dystopianray_> shirish: so put the opendns dns servers in your modem/router's config and then set your modem/router as the nameserver in your /etc/resolv.conf
[07:33] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: I set it up for Surround, and it still doesn't
[07:33] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok should I shut-down to see if this works?
[07:34] <DanaG> Did you set the number of speakers AND the plug:surround51 device?
[07:34] <DanaG> You may have to switch to "advanced" config mode.
[07:34] <dystopianray_> shirish: don't need to shutdown, resolv.conf changes should be instant
[07:34] <DanaG> The not duplicating channels is a different issue.
[07:34] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, ?
[07:34] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: it just gave my back a >
[07:34] <cypherdelic> in console
[07:34] <johnnybuoy> hmm...
[07:34] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok that means it works
[07:35] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:/usr/lib$ LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23 ./ufoai
[07:35] <cypherdelic> >
[07:35] <johnnybuoy> cyphase, what lib. did you preload? the symlink?
[07:35] <johnnybuoy> ah
[07:35] <shirish> dystopianray_: although the network manager applet is now not able to show any connection info.
[07:35] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, try with the symlink
[07:35] <CarinArr> i have a slight problem with my laptop.. it supposedly has bluetooth built into it but hcitool dev shows no devices, neither does lspci list any bluetooth devices, does anyone have a clue what might be going wrong?
[07:35] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: ok
[07:35] <robertj_> can someone else take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSambaIntegrationSpec and do some elaboration? its been out there for over a week with no comments/changes and I think it needs another pair of eyes
[07:35] <dystopianray_> shirish: network-manager should have it's own static configuration option, use that
[07:35] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: same
[07:35] <dystopianray_> shirish: putting in your modem/router's ip as your dns server
[07:36] <cypherdelic> AH I MISSED ""
[07:36] <johnnybuoy> cyphase, heh, very important :D
[07:36] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: the device used for 5.1 channel output is set to "plug:surround51:0" and speaker arranagement is 5.1
[07:36] <shirish> dystopianray_:  drats, cannot surf
[07:36] <shirish> dystopianray_: what do u mean by network manager having its own static configuration option?
[07:36] <DanaG> Hmm, in my system, I have TWO sound cards.
[07:36] <DanaG> Onboard, and addin.
[07:36] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Same
[07:37] <dystopianray_> shirish: network-manager can configure static ips for you
[07:37] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0.0.23' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[07:37] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Despite the Mobo one being disabled
[07:37] <DanaG> If you want to not use onboard at ALL, you can blacklist its module.
[07:37] <dystopianray_> shirish: it should be a menu option in it or something
[07:37] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: that would be a good idea
[07:37] <dystopianray_> shirish: double check that you have the correct modem/router ip in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:37] <dystopianray_> shirish: and also double check that the dns servers you have configured your modem/router to use are actually correct
[07:37] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: it's a blinking sigmatel device
[07:37] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, hmm, strange...
[07:38] <DanaG> In my case, I actually DO use both.
[07:38] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Well I Don't!
[07:38] <DanaG> The sigmatel is likely to be snd-hda-intel
[07:38] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, you sure the path is right? did you try the symlink too? same?
[07:38] <DanaG> so you can add "blacklist snd-hda-intel" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:39] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Correct, I had to add that to prevent it screeching to start with!
[07:39] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: Path is right, i dont think using symlink will work either because they are referreing to that lib that isnt loadable
[07:39] <DanaG> Aah, then that should no longer be an issue.
[07:39] <cypherdelic> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[07:39] <shirish> dystopianray_: you said the ip address & the ip address I used I was able to ping that one
[07:39] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, hmm
[07:39] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, is jackd running?
[07:39] <dystopianray_> shirish: are you sure it's your modem/router's ip address though?
[07:40] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Since I moved to the Creative thing, it's no longer an issue
[07:40] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: no, should it?
[07:40] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, well, to use jack, you need jackd to be started and running
[07:40] <johnnybuoy> there is a gui for that too
[07:40] <johnnybuoy> it loads itself in the notification area
[07:40] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: whats to command?
[07:40] <shirish> dystopianray_: ok, how can I make sure that it is my router ip or not?
[07:40] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, hmmm
[07:41] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, qjackctl or somethink of the like
[07:41] <johnnybuoy> yep, that's the one
[07:41] <dystopianray_> shirish: it should be an option in your router's config
[07:41] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: I've added that to the modprobe.d, checked it isn't loaded (which it isn't)
[07:41] <shirish> dystopianray_: I can surf my router pages at http://192.168.1.1
[07:42] <DanaG> Hmm, what Creative card do you have?
[07:42] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: and I STILL get the Sigmatel audio options in alsamixer
[07:42] <DanaG> Still?  That IS odd.  Is it a Sigmatel HD Audio, or a Sigmatel AC'97 Audio?
[07:42] <dystopianray_> shirish: so that should be the right ip to use
[07:42] <johnnybuoy> yeah, you should remove ~/.asoundrc
[07:42] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Sigmatel HD
[07:42] <dystopianray_> shirish: make sure the servers you have put into your modem/router's configuration are actually valid
[07:42] <CarinArr> anyone around that might be ablet o help troubleshooting bluetooth?
[07:42] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: i dont have that, and i cant find to install
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> what, qjackctl?
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> cyphase, ^
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> oh
[07:43] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: the PCI card is a Creative (Dell OEM) SB Live! 5.1
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, ^
[07:43] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: ah yes right, there it is :)
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, apt-get install qjackctl
[07:43] <DanaG> Aah, then it's Dell, not real Creative.
[07:43] <DanaG> It'
[07:44] <DanaG> I don't know how the mixer of "snd_emu10k1x" works.
[07:44] <DanaG> the X is the Dell OEM.
[07:44] <mister_roboto> does anyone now why my network domain (in resolv.conf) disappears on reboot? I set it in the network manager, and even manually edited /etc/resolv.conf to put it back but when i reboot, it's gone. This is in feisty
[07:44] <DanaG> Stupid Dell was too cheap to even get a real, cheap, SBLive.
[07:44] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: well, it BEHAVES like a creative, uses the creative drivers and such
[07:44] <Gh0sty> mister_roboto: it updates this automatically
[07:45] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: will be back in a min, just gonna check i have turned off the on-board
[07:45] <Gh0sty> if you have dhcp that supplies dns information you should get them in your resolv.conf mister_roboto
[07:45] <Gh0sty> otherwise you wont get nothing ...
[07:45] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: now jackd runs, but still i cant run the game or preload the lib
[07:45] <johnnybuoy> it does the same thing?
[07:45] <mister_roboto> Gh0sty:  but i want it set to a particular value that i added in network manager. i don't want it to completely disappear! how do i fix that? it's static config0
[07:46] <Gh0sty> hmm that'll require some manual editting of the startupscript i think :/
[07:47] <Gh0sty> i think something like /etc/init.d/network or something
[07:47] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, how did you install the game (I presume ufoai)
[07:47] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: yes exactly the same
[07:47] <johnnybuoy> ??
[07:47] <mister_roboto> Gh0sty: but that would be a bug, right? i mean it's a static config and i set it using the standard tool (network manager). so it should be preserved
[07:47] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: sudo (installer)
[07:47] <johnnybuoy> cyphase, with th .bin file?
[07:47] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, with the .bin file?
[07:48] <Gh0sty> mister_roboto: i think so too
[07:48] <Gh0sty> better to file this as a bug
[07:48] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, I'd also ask the #ufoai guys...
[07:48] <cypherdelic> yes
[07:48] <johnnybuoy> they might know exactly what the problem is
[07:48] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: but it is #ufo:ai
[07:48] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, hmm???
[07:48] <kane77> why isnt thunderbird in repositories yet? are we waiting on 2.0?
[07:49] <cypherdelic> johnnybuoy: #ufo:ai | <olegfink> maybe something wrong with your jack libs?
[07:49] <yahbacca> hi
[07:49] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[07:49] <yahbacca> is there going to be much differnce between Ubuntu Fiesty RC1 and the final version
[07:49] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again?
[07:49] <yahbacca> cause we might have a LUG meeting on Friday
[07:49] <yahbacca> and RC1 will be out but not the final version
[07:49] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, no, surely not, if it's the default ubuntu ones
[07:50] <aaroncampbell> It looks like a package that I used alien on is working, but causing problems
[07:50] <Arko> !rt61
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt61 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <shirish> guys have anybody to lay there hand on swf-player 0.42 by any chance?
[07:50] <aaroncampbell> http://paste-bin.com/11369
[07:51] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: I have verified that the onboard sigmatel is Disabled in the BIOS
[07:51] <DanaG> Hmm, if you do speaker-test -c 5
[07:51] <DanaG> (in console)
[07:52] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: I only get Front Left/Right
[07:53] <DanaG> Oh, I just remembered:
[07:53] <DanaG> Some cards have two switches:
[07:53] <DanaG> Analog/Digital Output Jack, and SPDIF Raw.
[07:53] <DanaG> Try toggling each both ways.
[07:54] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: OK
[07:54] <yacoob> Hi.
[07:54] <borschty_> is there a launchpad entry for the error in feisty, that you have to do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in order to get statically configured networking to work (i think has to do with network-manager). tried looking for it, but never found one, just read in forums that it is a known bug
[07:54] <ayang> hello guys, after i upgraded to feisty from edgy, the 4-in-1 card reader in front of my laptop doesn't auto mount. It seems that if i pop in a card, it doesn't show in the /dev as well. Any thoughts?
[07:54] <Arko> speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6
[07:54] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Toggled A/D no sound at all
[07:54] <yacoob> is there a way to install 7.04 mostly from network?
[07:55] <yacoob> like, some mini-install cd?
[07:55] <cjsoftuk> Arko: Well I never!  I got sound from ALL channels that time (but a little oddly!)
[07:56] <johnnybuoy> cypherdelic, sorry, but I don't really know, maybe you should search for an ubuntu .deb, and that would help.;
[07:56] <DanaG> oh, I see, it's c6, and you need -D.  I forgot that.... .
[07:56] <finalbeta> How do I make thunderbird ask for read confirmations? I can't believe it, but I can't find the option.
[07:57] <Arko> oddly is good or bad?
[07:57] <cjsoftuk> DanaG, Arko: Well, It's almost there.  The next game is finding out the full set of switches to persuade it NOT to play Rear L/R from Front L/R
[07:57] <cjsoftuk> DanaG, Arko: It plays Fr L/R OK, then Rear L/R comes from BOTH sets
[07:58] <Arko> hmmmm
[07:58] <cjsoftuk> is that normal
[07:58] <yacoob> Anyone?
[07:58] <Arko> not normal
[07:59] <ayang> Arko, why would you want to do that?
[07:59] <ayang> yacoob, , why would you want to do that?
[07:59] <DanaG> Hmm, I just noticed my sub leaks to center.
[07:59] <Arko> I do not want to do anything
[08:00] <ayang> sorry Arko :P
[08:01] <Arko> ;)
[08:01] <michael> redet hir auch wer deutsch?
[08:01] <yacoob> ayang, the transfer is not that good here, and I'd like to test it today.
[08:01] <finalbeta> !de
[08:01] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:02] <ayang> yacoob, i rekon it's a lot faster if you download the live cd and install it rather than installing the packages one-by-one off the repos.
[08:02] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: Well, I got very close
[08:03] <borschty_> michael, ja
[08:03] <kane77> why isnt thunderbird in repositories yet (on 64-bit)?
[08:03] <michael> danke
[08:03] <cjsoftuk> DanaG:
[08:04] <cjsoftuk> DanaG: I managed to get one of my set of speakers back to front!
[08:04] <cypherdelic> Does anybody have an idea to this: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9029/ ???
[08:06] <DanaG> Huh, what do you mean, "one of my set of speakers back to front"?
[08:07] <Arko> speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51 -twav
[08:08] <chx> hi. I have on grief with Kubuntu and it's WPA setup. I never , ever got it working. Is this easier now ? Or still I need to sacrifice chickens at the appropriate moon phase to please the WPA gods?
[08:08] <lupine_85> depends on the chipset still :)
[08:09] <lupine_85> that said, it's generally easier in feisty
[08:09] <chx> I have Intel
[08:09] <chx> do you need more specifics?
[08:09] <lupine_85> should "just work"
[08:09] <chx> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[08:09] <chx> you mean, I click network, enter username and password and it just works? As if I would run Mac ?
[08:10] <chx> Oh mine
[08:10] <chx> Now I need to resist the evil temptation to put a beta on my laptop :P
[08:10] <chijin> chx: i'm using exactly the same wireless card with wpa, works just fine
[08:10] <chijin> chx: in fact, i just connected :-P
[08:11] <chx> chijin: do you need to go in and edit some config file or it just works ?
[08:11] <chijin> chx: no, works right out of the box.. i'm using knetworkmanager
[08:11] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to update anything via adept...it keeps giving me an error that there was a problem committing the changes...maybe a package didn't get downloaded right
[08:11] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to sort of "clear it out" and try again? It looks like a package that I used alien on is working, but causing problems (http://paste-bin.com/11369)
[08:12] <aaroncampbell> I can't remove the bad package (http://paste-bin.com/11376), I can't purge it (http://paste-bin.com/11377)
[08:12] <chijin> chx: it's in the repositories
[08:12] <jmvidalvia> hello, can anyone help me setting the network connection for ubuntu-server running as guest in vmware?
[08:13] <DanaG> aaroncampbell: try manually editing the broken .postrm file to fix the syntax error.
[08:13] <shirish> does anybody know which file in /etc is connected with the time applet?
[08:13] <chx> chijin: yes but I am on Edgy still, I am not putting a beta on my laptop
[08:13] <chijin> chx: well i'm on edgy too with this laptop that has the wireless. my desktop is feisty
[08:13] <chijin> chx: it's not beta.. just install the knetworkmanager via adept or whatever you're using
[08:14] <chx> oh
[08:15] <chx> Fetched 693kB in 11s (62.0kB/s) ...
[08:17] <chx> chijin: it says "No network device found" despite iwlist scan shows none less than 11 networks around
[08:17] <chijin> hmh
[08:17] <atselby> This is about Feisty?
[08:18] <chx> atselby: sorry
[08:18] <atselby> Ah support..
[08:18] <atselby> chx: about what?
[08:18] <chx> atselby: you *are* right, I *am* offtopic
[08:18] <atselby> chx: i was not talking about anything you were saying. i had just joined and was asking what this channel was for.
[08:18] <atselby> chx: XD. sorry mate.
[08:18] <chx> ah
[08:19] <atselby> I was actually going to ask if I should upgrade to Feisty beta or wait a week or so for final.
[08:19] <mahdi> hi, anybody knows how to fix alsa atiixp on feisty?
[08:19] <chx> well. I was asking about whether WPA is easier in Feisty and chijin said that knetworkmanager works in Edgy too
[08:19] <chijin> chx: a few times i've had to restart networking by doing 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' to get knetworkmanager going. i'm not sure if that's the case with yours though
[08:20] <atselby> chx: i know that my networkmanager on edyg had problems so i downloaded a package called wifi-radar
[08:20] <atselby> i dont know if that would help you or not if you're having network problems.
[08:20] <atselby> but it might be worth trying.
[08:20] <atselby> >> gtg
[08:20] <chx> wifi-radar! I used that with xubuntu and worked -- but not for WPA
[08:24] <pan_> Hey, does anyone have any idea how I can get Feisty to correctly detect my CPU temp?  I think it's detecting the motherboard temp correctly - 21 to 22 degrees C - but the CPU temp is constantly at 127 degrees C.
[08:24] <chx> pan_: and you suspect that your CPU is not 127C? :)
[08:24] <pan_> Only slightly. =P
[08:25] <ConstyXIV> chx: if it was, he would have bigger problems on his hands
[08:25] <chx> ConstyXIV: I know :)
[08:26] <pan_> Yeah...
[08:26] <ConstyXIV> precisely, things like stuff melting/catching on fire
[08:27] <pan_> Like that (now at) 25 degree C mobo.
[08:27] <nixnoob> how can i mount an .nrg file?
[08:28] <lupine_85> nixnoob: convert it to a .iso and use mount -o loop
[08:28] <ConstyXIV> nixnoob: i dunno if you can, but sudo mount -o loop would be a good bet
[08:28] <nixnoob> how do i convert it?
[08:28] <nixnoob> constyxiv i tried and its a no go, it needs to be an iso for that.
[08:29] <ConstyXIV> !nrg2iso
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nrg2iso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <misfit_toy> nixnoob, nero for linux should save an .nrg file to an .iso
[08:29] <misfit_toy> (even though I don't *like* nero for linux)
[08:29] <nixnoob> misfit_toy is it free?
[08:29] <ConstyXIV> of course not
[08:29] <nixnoob> I need something free.
[08:30] <misfit_toy> nixnoob, it's free I believe but not GPL, if I recall...
[08:30] <ConstyXIV> nixnoob: http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html
[08:30] <nixnoob> can i get it from the repos?
[08:30] <ConstyXIV> nixnoob: looks like you;ll have to build from source on that link
[08:31] <nixnoob> constyxiv thank you
[08:31] <ConstyXIV> nixnoob: do you know how to build from source?
[08:31] <nixnoob> make
[08:31] <nixnoob> sudo make?
[08:32] <nixnoob> is there something else i should know?
[08:32] <ConstyXIV> usually, i just ./configure, make, sudo checkinstall (gotta have checkinstall installed from apt-get
[08:32] <ConstyXIV> )
[08:32] <nixnoob> but im sure just doing make works.
[08:33] <nixnoob> because it just created a binary
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> checkinstall takes whatever make install puts out, and puts it into a deb, so you can uninstall it easily
[08:33] <nixnoob> i see
[08:33] <mahdi> hi, whats the difference between linux-image-generic and lowlatency?
[08:33] <ConstyXIV> very handy if/when you need to build something
[08:34] <nixnoob> ConstyXIV looks like this is actually working thanks
[08:34] <ConstyXIV> no problem
[08:35] <mahdi> does it mean that lowlatency stuff will load faster?
[08:35] <ConstyXIV> mahdi: something tells me that it's something you'll know about if you need it
[08:36] <ConstyXIV> i think it has something to do with A/V work
[08:36] <mahdi> lol
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> mahdi: yeah, it makes a/v stuff more responsive, but uses more cpu and kills battery
[08:39] <wizard> ConstyXIV: he left again.. at random... like he always does.
[08:41] <shirish> hi guys
[08:41] <wizard> hia
[08:42] <shirish> so wsup?
[08:42] <xan_> Hi
[08:42] <wizard> xan_: hi
[08:42] <Ace2016> Hi all
[08:42] <Ace2016> anyone using kubuntu?
[08:42] <xan_> I donwload feisty beta and I want to know if in graphical installation is possible to not put grub
[08:43] <Ace2016> i want to get rid of the animation when you open something in konqueror
[08:43] <wizard> xan_: i may be wrong but i think you'd need the alternate install cd to really tinker with grub
[08:43] <Ace2016> its like a zooming thing
[08:43] <xan_> wow
[08:43] <Ace2016> when you click on it it zooms our, then it opens
[08:43] <mana> hi again
[08:43] <xan_> in the advanced options is "device" to put grub
[08:44] <mana> do guys you know of any regressions regarding kaffeine and dvb cards/usb? :)
[08:44] <xan_> is i put "blank", it puts me "dev"
[08:45] <xan_> if I put "none", it puts me "/dev/none"
[08:45] <xan_> !"!!!
[08:45] <maccam94> are there going to be new sounds in feisty?
[08:45] <mana> *g*
[08:45] <xan_> Is there any possibility to omit grub install?
[08:45] <mana> maccam the starting sound seems the same :)
[08:46] <maccam94> it is atm, i know
[08:46] <maccam94> but i'm wondering if it'll be updated...
[08:46] <DanaG> One thing I do at every Feisty install:
[08:46] <Suurorca> xan, try /dev/null
[08:46] <DanaG> Swap the login and logout sounds.
[08:47] <xan_> Suurorca, I will try it
[08:47] <xan_> What could happens (the worst)?
[08:49] <Suurorca> xan_: oh Idon't know. I'd imagine the installation is just ignored if you don't have it included in any boot manager.
[08:49] <mana> cinergyT2: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed with error -32
[08:49] <mana> aah here it is
[08:49] <xan_> mmmm. Well. Maybe someone could open a bug for thar
[08:49] <xan_> that
[08:49] <mana> this device worked on edgy ;)
[08:49] <Suurorca> I've been wondering if there would be some way not to install grub with the live-cd myself, but that null-idea hit me only now ;)
[08:50] <xan_> yes. I will try it but formally I think it could be put as an option (I think I will open a bug)
[08:51] <xan_> well, thanks
[08:51] <Suurorca> mmh, some suggestions forum would probly be a better place. though filing a bug report would probably assure that the mod would make it to the final.
[08:52] <Suurorca> I really dislike this fancy graphical installer... it doesn't have the feeling of the ol' good blue installer... norany of the excitement if it will boot or not ;)
[08:52] <Suurorca> (and Ihaven't even found a verbose mode yet... not that Ihave looked for one)
[08:54] <SpudULike> I am fighting with an install of Feisty here.  Keyboard input 'dies' after the live system is up and running, even the keyboard LEDs stop toggling.  Mouse input still works, I can select the network tool, I just can't enter a WEP key.  Anyone seen anything like this?  I would like to submit a bug report but I don't know how to best gather information.  It is NOT the keyboard, which does work; right up until some part of the install is reached.
[08:55] <robertj_> SpudULike: does it work for a few seconds if you replug it during use?
[08:55] <SpudULike> No.
[08:56] <robertj_> hrmm, if you press  ctl +alt +backspace to kill X can you type something in the prompt?
[08:57] <SpudULike> Keyboard is plugged into a KVM, and I can still change systems by hitting the "Scroll Lock" key twice as I'd expect, and on the other system all is well.
[08:57] <robertj_> can you try without the kvm?
[08:57] <SpudULike> No, C+A+B is not recognised, no keyboard input is recognised, tab key doesn't toggle LEDs even.
[08:58] <robertj_> can you somehow get dmesg's output?
[08:58] <robertj_> ssh perhaps?
[08:59] <xan_> Suurorca: I thionk it's another bug: only wep in network-manager
[08:59] <droebbel_> hi
[08:59] <Suurorca> xan, wep?
[09:01] <xan_> Suurorca: yes, wep key. In some drivers (ralink for eg.) only network/interfaces works and network-manager does not support WPA key
[09:01] <SpudULike> No keyboard input even with a keyboard straight in.
[09:01] <SpudULike> OK, I'll try and remind myself on ssh,
[09:02] <Suurorca> xan_: hmm, doesn't sound too good... you could try some googling and do a bugreport if nothing too useful pops up
[09:03] <xan_> I consulted wiki pages befotre installing it. In hoary the same problem were.
[09:12] <Ali_ix> hi
[09:13] <Ali_ix> any one tried FireStarter auto start in Feisty?
[09:13] <mana> me not Ali :)
[09:13] <mana> anybody got dvb running? :D
[09:14] <Ali_ix> mana: thnx :)
[09:14] <Ali_ix> i have some problems, i have edited /etc/sudoers file and added the line: ali ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[09:14] <Ali_ix> and getting this while trying to execute it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14612/
[09:15] <bedevere> Hello =]  I'm having a bit of problem with my package database. I am trying to remove a package which was a .deb that was converted to .rpm with alien. But now, ever since I tried to remove it, apt throws an error "dpkg: error processing awcommon (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2" and I am unable to remove or install any other packages or use synaptic or the system update.
[09:15] <Tomg> has anyone  got the pam bluetooth module working?
[09:15] <mana> brute force GNOME_SUDO_PASS ended... lol
[09:15] <bedevere> I am using Feisty updated as of about a week ago
[09:15] <Ali_ix> mana: yes! really annoying :(
[09:15] <mana> sorry ali no idea for this, i am not experienced with sudo
[09:16] <Ali_ix> mana: thnx for attention, i have tested this on dapper and edgy before.. and no luck with feisty :(
[09:16] <mana> bedevere the easiest thing would be a reinstall or a cleanup
[09:16] <mana> but i doubt a clenaup would help
[09:16] <bedevere> D:
[09:17] <bedevere> reinstall of the whole system?
[09:17] <Tomg> bedevere: you need to do a force uninstall of the package
[09:17] <Ali_ix> apt-get instal -f
[09:17] <Ali_ix> apt-get install -f
[09:18] <bedevere> Yes I tried running that command but get the same error
[09:18] <mana> i calculate: 20 min research on google, 15 min on ubuntuusers, 20 min on IRC ) 55 min.
[09:18] <Tomg> you need to force the uninstall
[09:18] <mana> one clean reinstall is about 30. minutes :)
[09:19] <payan> help envy on feisty
[09:19] <Tomg> bedevere: dpkg --force-all -r *package*
[09:19] <payan> it wont work: error cannot remove *.deb
[09:20] <bedevere> Tomg, no dice. :/
[09:20] <Tomg> same error?
[09:20] <bedevere> mana, unfortunately for me it would take a lot longer.
[09:20] <bedevere> yes
[09:21] <Suurorca> bedevere: that's usually when I just go and delete the script in question =p
[09:21] <Tomg> there is a command line switch that will force it and ignore the error, but i cant remember it....
[09:21] <bedevere> that sounds like a good idea suurorca, but i am not sure where to find it.
[09:21] <mana> i belive you bedevere and it is a pity to give linux users advices that sound alot like (windows-tear-it-all-down-and-pray) advices, i will hold it back in the future :)
[09:22] <Suurorca> bedevere: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.prerm
[09:22] <Suurorca> bedevere: that MIGHT not be exactly safe, though
[09:23] <bedevere> bingo
[09:23] <mana> *g*
[09:23] <bedevere> that worked :)
[09:23] <bedevere> thank you
[09:23] <Suurorca> depending on what the init script was supposed to do and how critical a package
[09:23] <mana> what is that?
[09:23] <Suurorca> that was fast ;p
[09:23] <mana> suurorca what is this -prerm?
[09:23] <shirish> does somebody know the different between top & htop?
[09:24] <MrFeetio> I can't seem to find xwinwrap in the repositories, where can I find it?
[09:24] <mana> shirish i belive htop is more, ehm, advanced .. it is pretty "hip" the younger ones would say ;)
[09:24] <bedevere> thank you for your help, ttfn
[09:25] <shirish> mana: hi, apart from the colored stuff, it seems it has more info. also
[09:25] <mana> yes
[09:25] <shirish> mana: do u by any chance have exaile installed?
[09:25] <mana> so you see the difference yourself? ,)
[09:25] <mana> exaile? no
[09:25] <DanaG> WTFhell, my middle button stopped doing anything.
[09:25] <Suurorca> mana: the package manager creates certain scripts to make sure anything that might be using the package is properly disabled. (important with some core packages). Sometimes it just fails.
[09:25] <shirish> mana: it is a music player based on python
[09:26] <mana> wikipedia says its for rganizing music :)
[09:26] <mana> so bedever removed that file?
[09:26] <Suurorca> apparently...
[09:26] <shirish> mana: I use it as a music player, although the best would be to have a winamp clone
[09:27] <Ali_ix> !info htop
[09:27] <mana> oh shirish what i miss less is winamp,r eally ;)
[09:27] <SpudULike> robertj_, I think that whatever is killing the keyboard input is also killing the network.  I tried to install ssh once the live system was up but it can't see the network, neither can mozilla, I don't know if that's a clue.  The network is fine if I try with a 6.10 disk instead of 7.04.  Test the 7.04 integrity also, seems ok.
[09:27] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (feisty), package size 43 kB, installed size 172 kB
[09:27] <mana> nice bot
[09:27] <Tomg> oh you cant beat windows media player
[09:27] <Tomg> LOL!
[09:28] <shirish> mana: I want something which takes very less desktop space, and exaile becomes a sleek bar with CTRL+ALT+M
[09:28] <DanaG> Is there any way to make buttons  9 and 10 send events 4 and 5, respectively?
[09:28] <mana> yeah, plays all the encrypted pron you'd ever dreamed of
[09:28] <Tomg> :p
[09:28] <shirish> I am actually looking with help to generate backtrace of it as it crashes in certain manner
[09:28] <DanaG> My scroll buttons send 4 or 5 on press, and 9 or 10 on release.
[09:28] <mana> fine shirish :)
[09:28] <wizard> darx: hey did you ever get any resolve on that issue?
[09:28] <DanaG> xmodmap won't work -- it's not corepointer, and you can't duplicate buttons.
[09:28] <mana> i think i will go, we spam this channel and thats not good
[09:28] <mana> bye guys, my pizza comes
[09:29] <shirish> mana: the point being top gives me a certain pid no. while htop shows me 3 pids
[09:29] <shirish> ok anybody else wanna take that challenge up?
[09:29] <SuperTeece> challenge?
[09:30] <shirish> SuperTeece: figuring out which pid I should use to generate a backtrace
[09:30] <shirish> SuperTeece: I am using exaile which is based on python
[09:30] <SuperTeece> I'll accept that challenge!
[09:30] <Eleaf> gar..
[09:30] <SuperTeece> first, what is a pid and a backtrace?
[09:30] <SuperTeece> heh
[09:30] <shirish> SuperTeece: lol
[09:31] <shirish> SuperTeece: pid=Program ID
[09:31] <shirish> SuperTeece: backtrace is something that gives info. to developers the reasons why it crashed
[09:31] <Umbriel> Hi all, I have a problem with network boot in Feisty: I have 2 network cards that worked in Edgy and still work in Feisty, but now eth0 always boot without IP (though active), and eth1 works ok. The interfaces files is correct, but I still have to add an IP to eth0 every time I boot
[09:31] <shirish> SuperTeece: it uses gdb
[09:31] <shirish> !debugging
[09:32] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[09:32] <DanaG> My router is stupid, and often doesn't give me an IP.
[09:32] <Eleaf> hello
[09:32] <SuperTeece> shirish, I see you're already tried people.ubuntu.com lol
[09:32] <DanaG> I made a script: "/usr/bin/damn_router"
[09:32] <Eleaf> Does anybody here have pulseaudio OR avahi working?
[09:32] <Eleaf> lol
[09:32] <DanaG> I use pusleaudio.
[09:32] <DanaG> er, pulse
[09:32] <Eleaf> awesome.
[09:32] <shirish> SuperTeece: what do u mean I have tried people.ubuntu.com?
[09:32] <Eleaf> DanaG, does your sink device look like this?:  oss_output.pci_10de_ea_oss_pcm_0_0
[09:32] <Eleaf> It seems like pulseaudio is using oss?  Is that supposed to happen?
[09:33] <darx> wizard: apparantly, 789 mhz is the lowest spec frequency
[09:33] <Umbriel> DanaG I have both eth0 and eth1 with static IPs, both setup in interfaces file. But eth0 will be up without IP and eth1 up with correct IP
[09:33] <SuperTeece> I did a google search for "pid backtrace exaile" first response was on that site and had your s/n in it
[09:33] <DanaG> What module are you using?
[09:34] <darx> wizard: 798mhz that is
[09:34] <SuperTeece> sorry, don't mind me, I'm new, I just come here to learn
[09:34] <DanaG> Try installing pulseaudio-module-hal
[09:34] <Eleaf> DanaG, I have that installed.
[09:34] <Eleaf> I'm not specifying the module, it's just doing it automatically
[09:34] <shirish> SuperTeece: it is a bug I reported, I have the crashed dumps but nobody seems to get anything out of them.
[09:35] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> anyone know why my ubuntu laptop goes to a really messed up colored screen before hibernate and when it restores it returns to that exact screen?
[09:35] <DanaG> Odd.
[09:35] <DanaG> if you lsmod | grep snd
[09:35] <shirish> SuperTeece: now I know another way how potential bug hunters must be looking at things
[09:35] <Eleaf> DanaG, what do yours look like?
[09:35] <Eleaf> I mean the audio is working fine when I'm using pulse.. but I'm not sure.
[09:35] <DanaG> what driver do you see?  It may just be doing OSS.
[09:35] <Eleaf> there are lots there DanaG
[09:35] <DanaG> the snd-hda-intel or snd-emu10k1 or such.
[09:35] <Eleaf> snd_mixer_oss          16512  1 snd_pcm_oss
[09:35] <Eleaf> snd_pcm                76680  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[09:36] <DanaG> aah, 8x0 may be OSS.
[09:36] <Eleaf> DanaG, what about when I was using alsa?
[09:37] <DanaG> Another useful command: aplay -l (lowercase L)
[09:38] <Eleaf> DanaG, aplay: device_list:231: control open (0): Invalid argument
[09:39] <Eleaf> and it says a bunch of other stuff like that above DanaG
[09:39] <DanaG> odd... sounds like ALSA is not running.
[09:39] <Eleaf> DanaG, if I quit pulseaudio,, it is.
[09:39] <efface> i rand cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and it returned bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy, how do i fix the sound
[09:40] <Eleaf> DanaG, pulseaudio is just using oss.. is that why?
[09:40] <DanaG> Perhaps pulseaudio can't load ALSA because ALSA is already broken.
[09:40] <Eleaf> what?
[09:40] <DanaG> I don't know.
[09:40] <Eleaf> alsa works fine
[09:40] <DanaG> Hmm.
[09:41] <Eleaf> here, I'll quit pulse
[09:41] <Eleaf> darn.. not sure how to get alsa back.
[09:41] <DanaG> restart /etc/init.d/alsa-base
[09:41] <Eleaf> oh, my .asound
[09:41] <DanaG> or alsa-utils
[09:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I left asoundconf set to the audio device -- unset pulse-audio in it.
[09:42] <DanaG> I found having pulse be default for ALSA broke things.
[09:42] <Eleaf> ALSA lib conf.c:3075:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration
[09:42] <Eleaf> amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument
[09:42] <Eleaf> and lots of other stuff.
[09:42] <DanaG> You could try to modprobe -r snd-intel8x0
[09:42] <DanaG> and re-modprobe it.
[09:42] <Eleaf> there.
[09:43] <Eleaf> DanaG, it was my asound.conf file that wouldn't let alsa start (it was set to pulse for defaults)
[09:43] <Eleaf> DanaG, yep, now alsa is working.
[09:43] <DanaG> Cool,
[09:43] <DanaG> .
[09:43] <Eleaf> DanaG, so...
[09:44] <Eleaf> how am I supposed to get pulseaudio to work?  Is it supposed to use alsa?
[09:44] <Eleaf> I thought it just got a direct connection to the soundcard.
[09:44] <DanaG> PulseAudio does play through ALSA.
[09:44] <Eleaf> the only thing I noticed sound-quility wise is that the gnome sound preferences test sound sounded bad inpulseaudio
[09:45] <Eleaf> it's clear in alsa, but has another buzzing sound in pulse
[09:45] <Eleaf> other sounds sounded okay I guess though.
[09:45] <DanaG> The only odd thing is that pulseaudio locks the audio device, unless you make it use dmix.
[09:45] <Eleaf> DanaG, am I supposed to load a specific module in the daemon.conf?
[09:46] <DanaG> I made it replace whatever the pci_whatever_id it was with dmix, in /etc/default.pa
[09:46] <Eleaf> or maybe default.pa
[09:46] <DanaG> er, /etc/pulse/default.pa
[09:46] <Eleaf> for the alsa part?
[09:46] <Eleaf> and how did you get the pci id?
[09:46] <DanaG> Run pulseaudio normally and see what the sink name is.
[09:46] <Eleaf> it uses that oss sink thing.
[09:47] <Eleaf> oss_output.pci_10de_ea_oss_pcm_0_0
[09:47] <DanaG> hmm, you can make it manually create an ALSA device sink.
[09:47] <DanaG> load-module module-alsa-sink device=plug:dmix:0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_27d8_alsa_playback_0
[09:47] <Eleaf> how do I find that sink_name?
[09:47] <DanaG> that id matches what it'd normally make through HAL, so it replaces it.
[09:47] <DanaG> Run pulseaudio and look in the manager.
[09:47] <Eleaf> DanaG, it is oss_output.pci_10de_ea_oss_pcm_0_0
[09:47] <Eleaf> which uses oss...
[09:48] <DanaG> Odd.
[09:48] <shirish> does anybody know any application of screencasting?
[09:48] <Eleaf> I wanted just to use the device alsa uses DanaG
[09:48] <Eleaf> can't pulseaudio just use alsa and autodetect the sink?
[09:48] <shirish> I want to make a flash file of my actions on desktop & send it
[09:49] <Eleaf> you could try this shirish http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[09:49] <DanaG> If you run pulseaudio in a console, it'll give debug info.
[09:49] <shirish> Elaf: is there a deb. for this on the feisty repos?
[09:50] <Eleaf> ooh, DanaG
[09:50] <Eleaf> I got alsa output by uncommenting add-autoload-sink output module-alsa-sink sink_name=output AND add-autoload-source input module-alsa-source source_name=input   in daemon.conf
[09:51] <Eleaf> I have this sink in pulse, alsa_output.pci_10de_ea_alsa_playback_0
[09:51] <shirish> Eleaf: also they require a vnc server, is that much load on system for using vnc server?
[09:51] <Eleaf> shirish, not sure, I haven't tried it.
[09:52] <pwuertz> i'm trying to compile truecrypt... therefore I installed the kernel source... but the build script says...
[09:52] <pwuertz> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[09:52] <Eleaf> DanaG, is that what you uncommendted?
[09:52] <pwuertz> why is ubuntu shipping incomplete kernel sources?
[09:52] <Eleaf> coooool
[09:52] <DanaG> No, I did something different; but now I'm trying to find why my pulseaudio says my device is in use.
[09:53] <[Cade] > pwuertz: have you installed the "linux-source" and "linux-headers" metapackages?
[09:53] <Eleaf> DanaG, you did do the add-autoload-sink ?
[09:53] <Eleaf> DanaG, pulseaudio can't run?
[09:53] <pwuertz> [Cade] : yes, I did
[09:53] <[Cade] > Huh.
[09:53] <Eleaf> maybe if you restarted pulseaudio, you have to close all programs that may use the soundcard.
[09:53] <[Cade] > Well then, I'd open a query on Launchpad. :)
[09:53] <pwuertz> k ^^
[09:54] <DanaG> Odd, now the name "dmix" seems to be invalid.
[09:54] <DanaG> Even just for aplay.
[09:54] <Eleaf> hmm
[09:55] <DanaG> aah, restarted ALSA and removed .asoundrc.
[09:55] <Eleaf> I still get aplay: device_list:231: control open (0): Invalid argument  from aplay -l
[09:56] <DanaG> odd: Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz)
[09:56] <DanaG> it's playing faster than requested.
[09:56] <Eleaf> hmm
[09:56] <Eleaf> it said that to me normally whenever I open a terminal.
[09:56] <Eleaf> sound is playing faster now?
[09:57] <Eleaf> aplay -l lists devices now
[09:57] <Eleaf> I think the asound.conf thing had an obfiscuated }
[09:57] <DanaG> so I set it to use plug:dmix:0
[09:57] <DanaG> and now it works.
[09:57] <DanaG> the :0 is so it uses the first sound card (I have two.)
[09:57] <Eleaf> cool, where do you put that?
[09:57] <DanaG> Well, try just removing .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf
[09:58] <DanaG> and remove /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[09:58] <DanaG> and /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart.
[09:58] <DanaG> dmix is software mixing, so it doesn't lock the sound card.
[09:59] <Eleaf> wow, pulseaudio is cool DanaG
[10:00] <Eleaf> DanaG, why not use pulseaudio for the mixing?
[10:00] <Eleaf> wouldn't it just be for older applications?
[10:01] <thompa> does anyone know how to get past the delay to grub in EFI
[10:01] <thompa> i formatted the whole macbook to dos, then installed ubuntu, works great except for blank screen where I used to have refit before grub
[10:02] <thompa> i guess i can try rEFIt install in linux, see if that helps
[10:04] <thompa> crap , might have to use Elilo
[10:07] <noget> hey i installed feisty fawn and enabled compiz. I found out that there are some nice mouse gestures... are these compiz, gnome or ubuntu related?
[10:07] <noget> like for instance... moving the mouse to the left most corner downward, which kinda works like the "show desktop" button
[10:07] <noget> anybody?
[10:08] <Eleaf> probably compiz
[10:08] <[Cade] > noget: Compiz
[10:08] <[Cade] > depending on how you have plugins configured etc etc
[10:08] <noget> ok, next question. How..or where. can i edit these?
[10:09] <[Cade] > noget: install "compiz-extra" package
[10:09] <[Cade] > then all the plugins can be configured via "gconf-editor"
[10:09] <Eleaf> DanaG, what is the pulseaudio option to restart it when necesarry?
[10:09] <DanaG> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php
[10:09] <DanaG> Restart when necessary?
[10:09] <Eleaf> ?
[10:09] <DanaG> I don't know.
[10:10] <Eleaf> yeah, there was an option to launch pulseaudio automatically, when needed.
[10:10] <DanaG> I think it probably already does that.
[10:10] <DanaG> If you set apps to use pulseaudio or ESD.
[10:10] <DanaG> (module-esound)
[10:10] <Eleaf> grr, I kept seeing this all the time!
[10:11] <Eleaf> in pretty much every configure script it says activate this to make it auto relaunch..
[10:11] <Eleaf> But now I can't find anything.
[10:11] <Eleaf> What if an application isn't using esd?
[10:11] <Eleaf> DanaG, so if I restart now, will pulseaudio launch?
[10:12] <Eleaf> or will I keep having to initiating the command?
[10:12] <DanaG> I don't remember.  :(
[10:12] <Eleaf> lol
[10:12] <Eleaf> well when you restart yours?
[10:13] <noget> Eleaf: ...what does <super> mean in gconf-editor? which button does it relate to?
[10:13] <DanaG> I'll try to pulseaudio --kill and then launch amarok (set to use pulseaudio.)
[10:13] <DanaG> super is windows key.
[10:13] <noget> ahh thanks :)
[10:13] <Eleaf> noget, the windows key
[10:13] <noget> ...hmmm
[10:13] <noget> but
[10:13] <Eleaf> thanks DanaG
[10:13] <noget> ....i dont have one
[10:13] <Eleaf> noget, hmm
[10:13] <Eleaf> what kind of keyboard?
[10:14] <noget> i guess i have to blame IBM for this huh :)
[10:14] <Eleaf> normally it's between ctrl and alt
[10:14] <noget> sitting on a thinkpad
[10:14] <Eleaf> you could probably bind another key to super if you want noget
[10:14] <noget> yup, ill try something out Eleaf
[10:14] <Eleaf> ok
[10:14] <DanaG> Argh
[10:14] <DanaG> Amarok slaughtered my keyboard.
[10:15] <DanaG> I had to alt-sysrq-k.
[10:15] <Eleaf> lol?
[10:15] <DanaG> Kernel-level killl of whatever is on current TTY.  In this case, Xorg.
[10:15] <Eleaf> wow.
[10:15] <Eleaf> so I guess it doesn't autolaunch?
[10:16] <Eleaf> there is like an option in defaults.pa or daemon.conf or something
[10:17] <DanaG> ... and again.
[10:17] <Eleaf> what's going on?
[10:17] <DanaG> I hit my 'play' hotkey when pulseaudio isn't running, and my keyboard dies.
[10:18] <DanaG> Okay, it's just Amarok dying, not PulseAudio.
[10:18] <Eleaf> lol
[10:18] <DanaG> If I click play, Amarok freezes, but since it hasn't grabbed the keyboard, the keyboard lives.
[10:19] <Eleaf> DanaG, add this to your /etc/pulse/client.conf file,  autospawn = yes
[10:19] <Eleaf> try that
[10:21] <Eleaf> cool, mine is auto-reloading..
[10:21] <Eleaf> although pulseaudio --kill doesn't work for me because main.c: WARNING: called SUID root, but not in group 'pulse-rt'.
[10:22] <misfit_toy> sudo killall pulseaudio
[10:23] <Eleaf> kay
[10:23] <tobi> hi
[10:24] <tobi> I don't see the preview images in nautilus anymore, is that a known problem?
[10:26] <DanaG> I'm going to boot WIndows for a while.
[10:26] <Eleaf> DanaG, whaa?
[10:27] <kane77> why isnt thunderbird in repositories yet (on 64-bit)?
[10:30] <joshua_> hmm, darn, rebirth will not suspend/resume properly in Feisty. dunno if it worked before feisty
[10:32] <joshua_> I'm kind of surprised, since even though it's a geforce, it's pcie?
[10:32] <joshua_> s/?/./
[10:32] <jimmy_> hey guys, my volume buttons used to work on my laptop, and i would get a nice on screen display, but all of a suddent they just stopped
[10:33] <crimsun> Eleaf: are you using pulseaudio in esound mode?
[10:33] <Eleaf> crimsun, I guess so..
[10:33] <crimsun> Eleaf: i.e., is pulseaudio-esound-compat installed?
[10:34] <Eleaf> yes
[10:34] <jimmy_> oops i mean they still work, but i get no on screen display
[10:34] <Eleaf> in the conf files, I'm guessing having a ; doesn't mean it's commented out?
[10:34] <crimsun> Eleaf: don't mess with the conffiles
[10:34] <Eleaf> ..why?
[10:34] <Eleaf> I had to to get it working..
[10:35] <Eleaf> but would this mean it's not commented out?  ; disallow-module-loading = 0
[10:35] <crimsun> the only file you need to adjust is /usr/bin/esdcompat
[10:35] <Eleaf> like half of my options have a ; and the others don't.
[10:35] <crimsun> all the conffiles are skipped when you use pulseaudio in esd mode
[10:35] <Eleaf> crimsun, pulseaudio doesn't work unless I change the conf files to use alsa.
[10:35] <Eleaf> the conf files are doing things for me..
[10:35] <crimsun> it uses alsa by default
[10:35] <Eleaf> like when I change the sound quality.
[10:35] <Eleaf> not for me crimsun , it used alsa.
[10:35] <Eleaf> I had to uncomment the auto alsa thing
[10:35] <crimsun> huh?
[10:36] <crimsun> you just said it used alsa
[10:36] <Eleaf> after I edited it
[10:36] <crimsun> so what did it use before?
[10:36] <Eleaf> oss
[10:36] <Eleaf> I uncommented add-autoload-sink output module-alsa-sink sink_name=output
[10:36] <crimsun> something's screwy with your pA install
[10:36] <crimsun> I'd purge it and reinstall it
[10:37] <Eleaf> why..?
[10:37] <Eleaf> It used oss by default, each time.
[10:37] <crimsun> get me an strace
[10:37] <crimsun> -fF
[10:37] <Eleaf> I just have to enable the autoload-sink
[10:37] <Eleaf> of what crimsun ?
[10:37] <crimsun> ...pulseaudio
[10:38] <crimsun> aptitude purge pulseaudio, then reinstall it and get me an strace
[10:38] <crimsun> pastebin it, tell me the url
[10:38] <crimsun> I'll be back in 25 minutes.
[10:38] <Eleaf> the strace is huge
[10:38] <crimsun> yes, it should be.
[10:38] <Eleaf> I don't want to purge my pulseaudio, because it's working..
[10:38] <crimsun> then back up the conffiles
[10:38] <Eleaf> it took me a long time to get it working good..
[10:39] <Eleaf> why should I purge it?
[10:39] <Eleaf> it just autodetected oss instead of alsa
[10:39] <crimsun> I'm not interested in whether it works for you because you tweaked it; I'm interested in why it's apparently broken so I can fix it
[10:39] <Eleaf> how is it broken?
[10:39] <crimsun> if it doesn't use alsa by default, it's broken
[10:40] <crimsun> meaning, it should /not/ use alsa's oss emulation by default
[10:40] <Eleaf> I'm thinking it's because my .asoundrc file was messed up.
[10:40] <crimsun> then that's not at all pulseaudio's fault...
[10:41] <crimsun> by default, pA opens hw:X,Y directly
[10:41] <Eleaf> would that change anything?
[10:41] <Eleaf> so that is alsa?
[10:41] <crimsun> pA will only use a user-specific virtual device (alsa) if you set its conffiles to do so
[10:42] <Eleaf> so it shouldn't even use alsa?
[10:42] <crimsun> you're not reading what I typed. It uses alsa by default on Ubuntu, because Ubuntu uses alsa by default.
[10:42] <Eleaf> crimsun, you said pA will only use alsa if you set it.
[10:42] <Eleaf> did you mean oss?
[10:43] <Eleaf> crimsun, why would I not want to edit the conf file if I want to give it more priority?
[10:43] <crimsun> Eleaf: no, I did not mean OSS.
[10:44] <crimsun> hw:X,Y is alsa terminology
[10:44] <Eleaf> okay.
[10:44] <crimsun> it is a specific, non-plug (not routed through alsa-lib) device and subdevice designation
[10:44] <Eleaf> but you said it will only use alsa if you set it in the conffiles..  I thought it did that automatically
[10:44] <Eleaf> okay.
[10:44] <crimsun> no, I said it will only use a /user-specific virtual device/ if you set its conffiles
[10:44] <unf> hello
[10:45] <Eleaf> but isn't it necesarry to edit the conf file to give high-priority = 1 ?
[10:45] <crimsun> a user-specific virtual device is one defined in an asoundrc (/etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc)
[10:45] <Eleaf> crimsun, okay, I see.
[10:45] <tiax> Is there an option to install LVM+luks encryption out of the box with Feisty (alternate or desktop cd) like it is in the new deian installer?
[10:45] <unf> does anyone know if is there any problem with the driver for conceptronic C65RI?
[10:45] <Eleaf> I have stuff like pcm.pulse {    type pulse }  in my asound.conf
[10:45] <unf> im having problems with it since ive switched to feisty
[10:46] <borschty> I got a problem with networking. NIC does not get assigned an IP at boot. Already removed network-manager (never used it though), tried dhcp and static IP. When I tried dhcp I looked at syslog and dhclient was not started. If i run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything gets set up as it should. The script is linked as S40 under /etc/rcS.d. Any ideas?
[10:46] <crimsun> Eleaf: that's what you should have.  asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[10:46] <Eleaf> okay.
[10:46] <crimsun> Eleaf: and no, you don't need to set high-priority = 1  in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[10:46] <adonay> does anyone here use qt? when trying to compile a testfile it says:  Unable to exec g++.real: No such file or directory
[10:46] <Eleaf> so if that wasn't set, would pulseaudio not use alsa?  (as it didn't with me, I think I had a bad })
[10:46] <crimsun> Eleaf: use what PAM allows you to use. We added it back in Dapper.
[10:46] <Eleaf> crimsun, if I don't set high-priority, the audio skips every time I minimize a window.
[10:47] <Eleaf> or at least clicks slightly.
[10:47] <tobi> I don't see the preview images(images,videos,SVGs) in nautilus anymore, is that a known problem? does anyone know a solution?
[10:47] <Eleaf> crimsun, what do you mean what PAM allows?
[10:47] <crimsun> Eleaf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14617/
[10:48] <unf> where can i find info about my problem? :(
[10:48] <crimsun> unf: you need to be more specific
[10:49] <brucedes> hey, I'm going to install feisty, is it possible to set which version of python it installs?
[10:49] <Eleaf> crimsun, will rtprio and memclock do weird things?  those seem like machine-specific values, and when does it take place?
[10:49] <crimsun> no
[10:49] <crimsun> ^ brucedes
[10:49] <borschty> brucedes, afaik not during install, but later on you can install python 2.5 and python 2.4
[10:50] <unf> crimsun, mmh.. it happens that i find networks but they're with 0% power.. so i cant connect to them
[10:50] <brucedes> i know I can install it later, but it doesn't get set as the used version
[10:50] <unf> this is all i can say :?
[10:50] <crimsun> Eleaf: those are precisely the values that allow pulse-rt to be useful
[10:50] <brucedes> since cedega doesn't like the version which comes with feisty (2.5.1c1)
[10:50] <crimsun> Eleaf: only instead of restricting it to pulse*, you make it useful for your user
[10:50] <Eleaf> crimsun, I'm confused on what it is doing except nice..
[10:50] <Eleaf> why is that not default?
[10:51] <crimsun> Eleaf: because it's a choice.
[10:51] <crimsun> Eleaf: for instance, what use would it be for a server to have those entries?
[10:51] <brucedes> so, anyway of doing that, setting the version of python the system uses?
[10:51] <Eleaf> no, but there are two deviations of ubuntu, desktop and server.
[10:51] <crimsun> brucedes: yes, see what python does in postinst
[10:52] <Eleaf> I understand though..
[10:52] <cjsoftuk> Here's the problem: Dell OEM (Creative) Sound Card.  Trying to persuade 4.1 surround sound out of it.  I can make it play Front L/R ok, but when it moves to Back L/R it plays through BOTH sets!
[10:52] <crimsun> cjsoftuk: use ttables.
[10:52] <borschty> brucedes, maybe adding a symlink "python" (linked to /usr/bin/python-2.4 or how it is called) put to ~/bin and then using export PATH="/home/USER/bin:$PATH"; the_cedega_command
[10:52] <crimsun> cjsoftuk: we have a wiki for it: alsa.opensrc.org
[10:52] <crimsun> cjsoftuk: see the surround pages.
[10:52] <cjsoftuk> crimsun: thanks
[10:52] <borschty> that way other programs needing python 2.5 won't get fucked up
[10:52] <Eleaf> crimsun, so what do you reccomend I edit instead of the pulse configs?  that esd-replacement config thing just looked like a shell script..
[10:53] <crimsun> Eleaf: it is a shell script
[10:53] <Eleaf> well it didn't look friendly to edit.
[10:53] <brucedes> crimsun and borschty thanks, but to be honest, neither of those solutions make much sense
[10:54] <borschty> brucedes, in which way does my solution not make sense?
[10:54] <Eleaf> I'm assuming the pulseaudio network preferences puts the changes into default.pa?
[10:54] <Eleaf> all the tcp stuff seems to be commented there.
[10:54] <brucedes> basically, I don't understand how to do what you said. I'm not saying it's not a good solution
[10:55] <borschty> brucedes, ok, i'll explain
[10:55] <brucedes> thanks
[10:56] <borschty> do you know what $PATH is used for?
[10:56] <crimsun_> Eleaf: change the last line to: eval "exec '/usr/bin/pulseaudio' --high-priority $ARGS"
[10:56] <Eleaf> ..ok
[10:56] <brucedes> isn't that to set the path of the decoder or something? I recognise it, sort of, from php
[10:56] <crimsun_> I'll make this easier to adjust in Feisty+1
[10:56] <Eleaf> crimsun, if I don't put autospawn = yes in my /etc/pulse/client.conf , pulse doesn't load automatically when needed.
[10:56] <crimsun_> for feisty, however, since we're in deep freeze, we'll just live with what we have.
[10:57] <cjsoftuk> crimsun_: I can't seem to get speaker-test to play out of the right channels!
[10:57] <Eleaf> I do have the auto esd thing enabled in the sound preferences.
[10:57] <borschty> brucedes, it is where programs are looked for... normally it contains /usr/bin:/bin/:/sbin and so on seperated by :
[10:57] <crimsun_> cjsoftuk: ...so use ttable entries. I've already pointed you to the guide.
[10:57] <brucedes> ok
[10:57] <cjsoftuk> crimsun_: OK......
[10:58] <borschty> so when you run a python script, it will look in path for a program called "python"
[10:58] <borschty> it will use the first one it finds
[10:58] <Eleaf> crimsun, also the sinc quality seems like it can only be changed in daemon.conf
[10:58] <borschty> so you will have to make sure the python it finds is python 2.4
[10:59] <borschty> so we create a symlink called "python" which is linked to the python 2.4 binary
[10:59] <brucedes> I see, this is starting to make sense now
[10:59] <borschty> and put in in folder we insert into the $PATH variable
[11:00] <Eleaf> crimsun, pulseaudio is not running with the lower nice value, even with those limits defined.
[11:00] <Eleaf> and it skips a tiny bit at times due to this..
[11:00] <Eleaf> it's running under my user.
[11:00] <crimsun> Eleaf: did you log out and back in?
[11:00] <brucedes> and how do I got about that, borschty?
[11:01] <Eleaf> no crimsun
[11:01] <crimsun> Eleaf: /etc/security/limits.conf is parsed on login
[11:01] <borschty> what?
[11:01] <crimsun> anyhow, I'll be back in 25 minutes (I'm already late)
[11:01] <Eleaf> crimsun, now whenever I run a program by me, will it run with those low nice values (I am in group audio).
[11:01] <Eleaf> darn..
[11:01] <Eleaf> how do I get pulse to run as user pulse?
[11:01] <Eleaf> It was doing it sometimes.. but now it's only running as me.
[11:01] <Eleaf> okay, thanks crimsun
[11:01] <brucedes> setting the $PATH variable
[11:02] <borschty> that is done by that export command
[11:02] <brucedes> Ok, thanks borschty
[11:03] <borschty> export PATH="/path/to/our/symlinked_binary:$PATH"
[11:03] <borschty> that is only for the current console
[11:03] <borschty> and won't be saved
[11:05] <borschty> you might want to put that into a script
[11:07] <borschty> ok, another try about my network-problem...
[11:07] <borschty> I got a problem with networking. NIC does not get assigned an IP at boot. Already removed network-manager (never used it though), tried dhcp and static IP. When I tried dhcp I looked at syslog and dhclient was not started. If i run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything gets set up as it should. The script is linked as S40 under /etc/rcS.d. Any ideas?
[11:10] <tygus> Hi there
[11:10] <tygus> how can I install NVIDIA drivers to use beryl?
[11:10] <DreamThief> someone inhere uses kibadock with feisty and may provide me with his deb?
[11:10] <SlimeyPete> tygus: install the nvidia-glx package
[11:11] <SlimeyPete> tygus: or use the Restricted Hardware tool, I guess
[11:11] <FunnyLookinHat> tygus, use the Restricted Drivers tool, it will configure the nvidia driver for beryl correctly.
[11:11] <FunnyLookinHat> DreamThief, I wouldn't use kiba if I were you.... fairly buggy.  Try avant-window-navigator instead    :)
[11:11] <FunnyLookinHat> Same look, more stable.
[11:12] <DreamThief> mh, thx for your advice
[11:12] <FunnyLookinHat> np
[11:12] <FunnyLookinHat> There are some good tutorials for it on ubuntuforums.org
[11:17] <seiflotfy> gyus
[11:17] <seiflotfy> any amd64 ppl here
[11:17] <DreamThief> I'm quite familiar with ubuntuforums.org . It's my first international contact point if noone in the german ubuntu community is able to help me ;) @ FunnyLookinHat
[11:17] <cjsoftuk> I've got a problem with audio channels 2 and 3 playing on the same jack as 0 and 1
[11:17] <Ace2016> HI all
[11:18] <Ace2016> Where can i get libtoomame?
[11:18] <Ace2016> its not in the repos
[11:18] <cjsoftuk> I've tried to ttable them off
[11:18] <cjsoftuk> no go
[11:18] <|thunder> prolly a sourceforge project
[11:18] <seiflotfy> hi i cna speak german
[11:18] <seiflotfy> i might be able to help you
[11:18] <seiflotfy> whats ur problem
[11:18] <cjsoftuk> I just simply can't redirect the sound
[11:19] <FunnyLookinHat> : )
[11:20] <jepeltw_> hello all, I'm trying to update from Edgy to Feisty on Kubuntu using Adept, I followed the instructions on the Kubuntu wiki but Adept is not offering the upgrade to the new release
[11:20] <Eleaf> hmm
[11:21] <seiflotfy> @jepeltw_: change in ur /etc/apt/sources.list all edgy to feisty
[11:21] <seiflotfy> then sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <jepeltw_> seiflotfy: that's the hard way, isn't it?
[11:22] <jepeltw_> (by hard I mean "liable to break things left and right")
[11:22] <|thunder> i dont know if i trust that method
[11:22] <Ace2016> jepeltw_: make sure to comment out un official repos, they might not have packages for feisty yet
[11:23] <jepeltw_> aha
[11:23] <|thunder> what is it that is so drasticly different between each release that makes the packages non-transferable ?
[11:23] <seiflotfy> no really
[11:23] <jepeltw_> I just looked at sources.list and it doesn't have edgy-proposed, which I added through adept
[11:24] <jepeltw_> adept doesn't show it either
[11:24] <seiflotfy> not edgy proposed
[11:24] <seiflotfy> type in feisty
[11:24] <jepeltw_> seiflotfy: i'm following the directions from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade, is there anything wrong with that?
[11:28] <seiflotfy> yes it doesnt upgrade to feisty
[11:28] <seiflotfy> :)
[11:28] <seiflotfy> look
[11:29] <seiflotfy> jepeltw_:
[11:29] <seiflotfy> open terminal
[11:29] <seiflotfy> type : sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <seiflotfy> then click replace
[11:30] <seiflotfy> and type in the box edgy and the box under it feisty
[11:30] <seiflotfy> this will replace every edgy in the file to feisty
[11:30] <seiflotfy> now when u open adept
[11:30] <seiflotfy> do a update
[11:30] <seiflotfy> then upgrade
[11:31] <jepeltw_> seiflotfy: out of curiosity, have you upgraded the manual way before?
[11:32] <seiflotfy> yep
[11:32] <seiflotfy> alway1s
[11:33] <jepeltw_> i've done rolling upgrades (debian testing) but not one release to another
[11:33] <jepeltw_> ah well, since I installed ubuntu I haven't walked on the wild side for a while
[11:33] <Nick^69> hi all
[11:35] <seiflotfy> look
[11:35] <seiflotfy> a better way
[11:35] <seiflotfy> would be downloading a feitsy cd
[11:35] <seiflotfy> :)
[11:35] <Askar> Hi! can someone recommend a program/programs for shrinking videos to fit on handheld?
[11:36] <jepeltw_> seiflotfy: quite possibly, but I couldn't bear to wait for the ISO to download
[11:36] <jepeltw_> alright, here goes nothing *apt-get dist-upgrade*
[11:37] <borschty> I got a problem with networking. NIC does not get assigned an IP at boot. Already removed network-manager (never used it though), tried dhcp and static IP. When I tried dhcp I looked at syslog and dhclient was not started. If i run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything gets set up as it should. The script is linked as S40 under /etc/rcS.d. Any ideas?
[11:38] <seiflotfy> jsut donwload a beta version
[11:38] <seiflotfy> :)
[11:38] <seiflotfy> or a dialy image
[11:38] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[11:38] <seiflotfy> or the way ur doing it
[11:38] <seiflotfy> saving a whole cd
[11:39] <jepeltw_> i'll burn a CD when Feisty is released
[11:45] <gpd> any thoughts on how to get my D-Link G122 working in feisty - it worked fine as rausb0 in edgy
[11:46] <Eleaf> crimsun, tell me when you are back
[11:46] <seiflotfy> ok guys
[11:46] <seiflotfy> i have a problem
[11:47] <gpd> hmm seems there is a bug associated with rt2500 cards :(
[11:47] <BHSPitMonkey> Is Feisty not going to catch Pidgin?
[11:48] <BHSPitMonkey> That would be unfortunate
[11:48] <crimsun> Eleaf: I'm back.
[11:49] <Eleaf> hey there, how was your departure?
[11:49] <Eleaf> crimsun, I reinstalled pulseaudio and purged...
[11:50] <Eleaf> I don't think it's working though
[11:50] <crimsun> Eleaf: more specifically, please
[11:51] <Eleaf> /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd fd=17   is running, but nothing can use puulse..
[11:51] <Eleaf> like the manager can't connect to the server, etc.
[11:52] <crimsun> Eleaf: which user is pA running as, yours?
[11:52] <Eleaf> I tried to play a file n iexaile, now my computer is dogigng..
[11:52] <Eleaf> I can't even acces sa terminal, goes so slow.
[11:53] <crimsun> well, first, disable esd in System> Preferences> Sound
[11:54] <DreamThief> FunnyLookinHat, avant-window-navigator looks nice but is way far from what i call usable
[11:55] <crimsun> Eleaf: done that yet?
[11:57] <FunnyLookinHat> DreamThief, really?  Wow, I use it all the time and I think it's better than the default window list in gnome
[11:57] <DreamThief> look, i only got a 12,1 " laptop screen with 1280*800...
[11:58] <DreamThief> i cant configure where the bar appears
[11:58] <DreamThief> if i use it in panel mode, the need takes to much space
[11:59] <crimsun> Eleaf: ok, I'm going to presume you have done that much.
[11:59] <crimsun> eleaf_2: ok, I'm going to presume you have done that much.
[11:59] <eleaf_2> OMG
[12:00] <crimsun> eleaf_2: next, check that your user is in the proper groups, and that the proper socket directories have the proper permissions
[12:00] <DreamThief> if i use it in normal mode, the bar is always i front of any maximized application. and if autohide is enabled, the bar just disappears at the bottom as desired, but if i maximize any window and touch the bottom of the screen, the bar just stays hidden ... @ FunnyLookinHat
[12:00] <Eleaf> crimsun, I just had a huge system crash..
[12:00] <Eleaf> I had to pull the plug, couldn't even ssh in and restart.
[12:01] <Eleaf> then about 10,000 of those crash reporters jumped up all over the screen.
[12:01] <Eleaf> they are still coming up.. showing every single process
[12:01] <Eleaf> so I didn't hear anything you said crimsun
[12:02] <Eleaf> the crash reporter is so annoying.. it's like "crash reporter crashed, which crashed!"
[12:02] <FunnyLookinHat> o
[12:02] <Eleaf> the crash windows are still coming up, there are thousands of them
[12:02] <Eleaf> finally...
[12:02] <Eleaf> crimsun, what do I do??
[12:03] <Eleaf> I guess it's working since the manager sees the sink etc.
[12:03] <Eleaf> do you have to restart to get the normal pulseaudio working?
[12:04] <Eleaf> crimsun, gah.
[12:04] <Eleaf> crimsun, yes audio is working now.  I'm confused how I'm supposed to administrate pulse now though..
[12:04] <Eleaf> Like how do I change the timeout and such that it keeps alive?
[12:05] <Eleaf> man, that was a horrible crash.. darn pulseaudio
[12:05] <Eleaf> grr, the crash reporter windows are still coming up!!
[12:05] <crimsun> Eleaf: set it in the conffiles if you pass the parameter in esdcompat
[12:06] <Eleaf> crimsun, also, pulseaudio doesn't have the lower nice value..
[12:06] <Eleaf> it's just 0, and skips sometimes because of it.
[12:06] <Eleaf> it's running as my user
[12:06] <Eleaf> shouldn't it be running as 'pulse'?
[12:07] <Eleaf> This is way confusing, I don't know why this isn't default and setup correctly.
[12:08] <Eleaf> seriously crimsun, the way this is setup from the default install is way worse then the way it was when I made some conf file changes.
[12:08] <Eleaf> the quality isn't that good when two files are playing and such.
[12:09] <Eleaf> and it doesn't run as the pulse user...
[12:09] <Eleaf> I need some guidance here...
[12:09] <crimsun> Eleaf: it shouldn't run as the pulse user unless it's system-wide
[12:09] <crimsun> and please be patient, I'm rather busy
[12:09] <Eleaf> crimsun, then how is the rules supposed to take effect that the audio group gets a lower nice value?
[12:09] <crimsun> there are five billion things on my screen; try not to consider your issues the most critical
[12:09] <Eleaf> okay..
[12:10] <Eleaf> If I'm in the audio group, every command I run will be a low nice value then..
[12:10] <crimsun> no.
[12:10] <crimsun> /only/ if the application you execute supports elevating to realtime privileges.
[12:10] <crimsun> nothing automagic happens
[12:10] <Eleaf> probably most..
[12:10] <crimsun> no, probably not most.
[12:11] <Eleaf> like if I run top..
[12:11] <crimsun> there are only a handful
[12:11] <Eleaf> I just want it to run as the pulse user and get the quality back.
[12:11] <crimsun> so you want to run it as the system-wide instance?
[12:11] <Eleaf> if that's how it is supposed to be...
[12:12] <crimsun> then disable System> Preferences> Sound> esd  for starters
[12:12] <Eleaf> like if I start another x server..
[12:12] <crimsun> because you can't have that if you want it to run as the pulse (system-wide) user
[12:12] <Eleaf> I thought esd was necesarry... that's the whole point of it.
[12:12] <crimsun> no, esd is far from necessary
[12:12] <Eleaf> I'm just confused with how pulseaudio is supposed to work.
[12:12] <Eleaf> I thought it was a drop in esd replacement.
[12:12] <crimsun> of sorts, yes
[12:12] <Eleaf> ok
[12:12] <crimsun> you do /not/ need pA
[12:12] <Eleaf> I know that..
[12:13] <Eleaf> But I want it so that I can run multiple applications with better mixing
[12:13] <DreamThief> anyone inhere uses the gtk mac menu bar patch together with feisty?
[12:13] <crimsun> alsa-lib does that already, Eleaf
[12:13] <Eleaf> then what is the purpose of pulseaudio?
[12:13] <Eleaf> I like it because I can change the volume of each source..
[12:13] <Eleaf> each stream*
[12:14] <crimsun> that's one use case. Another is live migration of streams to different sinks/sources
[12:14] <Eleaf> yeah, I like that.
[12:14] <crimsun> so now you need to figure out what you really want
[12:14] <Eleaf> the quality just doesn't sound good suddenly.. especially on louder files.
[12:14] <Eleaf> (then how I had pulse audio)
[12:14] <crimsun> which resampler are you using?
[12:14] <Eleaf> like if I do the sound test in the gnome preferences while playing an audio file, it sounds horrible
[12:14] <Eleaf> crimsun, whatever is default, I changed nothing.
[12:15] <crimsun> that's sinc-fastest
[12:15] <Eleaf> and it's even taking up 5% cpu
[12:15] <crimsun> or src-sinc-fastest, to be precise
[12:15] <Eleaf> nah, it's more around 1-2%
[12:15] <DanaG> How do you use kvm with qemu-launcher?
[12:16] <crimsun> Eleaf: what you need to do is tell me your requirements, and I'll recommend an approach
[12:16] <Eleaf> crimsun, so will it autoload each time I start?
[12:16] <Eleaf> I just want pulseaudio to work without all this confusion that I can't edit the conf files to change quality etc.
[12:16] <Eleaf> I like the way it normally is with normal alsa, but I like pulseaudio's greater functionality.
[12:17] <Eleaf> I'm just confused, if I kill pulseaudio, will it autorelaunch when needed?
[12:17] <crimsun> no.
[12:17] <crimsun> (not unless you have it set to autospawn)
[12:17] <Eleaf> well that's what I want.
[12:17] <crimsun> you still haven't answered my question
[12:17] <Eleaf> that's one of the things I was putting in the conf files..
[12:17] <Eleaf> crimsun, just a sound server...
[12:18] <Eleaf> a good sturdy sound server that won't freak out due to multiple streams..
[12:18] <crimsun> there's no such thing
[12:18] <crimsun> I can easily make any sound server fall over
[12:18] <crimsun> anyhow, that's beside the point
[12:18] <Eleaf> uh
[12:18] <crimsun> here's what you need to do.
[12:19] <crimsun> first, make sure you don't have esd enabled via GNOME's System> Preferences> Sound
[12:19] <crimsun> next, kill any instances of pulseaudio that are running
[12:19] <Eleaf> what would I need esd for if it was enabled?
[12:19] <crimsun> DanaG: channels+ttable
[12:20] <Eleaf> crimsun, done
[12:20] <Eleaf> but now that I disabled esd, I can't get system sounds in gnome
[12:20] <crimsun> Eleaf: you /must not/ have System> Preferences> Sound> "esd" enabled for this to work
[12:20] <crimsun> that's correct, you'll lose system sounds.
[12:20] <crimsun> no big loss
[12:20] <Eleaf> okay, wait one sec, what is our final goal for this just to make sure?
[12:21] <julian-> I have a working net connection in Feisty but it refuses to auto connect to it when I restart etc. Any ideas?
[12:21] <crimsun> what you just told me; you want a sound server that runs as the pulse user with better resampling quality
[12:21] <Eleaf> I don't really know what I want.  Is running with the pulse user the best way to get sound from the most amount of applications working and the best control?
[12:21] <crimsun> ARGH.
[12:22] <Eleaf> sorry, I just don't know how this works!
[12:22] <crimsun> ok, let me explain a very simple concept.
[12:22] <Eleaf> We need to do a quick regroup or something,, okay.
[12:22] <crimsun> tell me what you'd like out of "sound" in Ubuntu, and I'll recommend an approach.
[12:23] <Eleaf> I like being able to have sound from lots of programs mixed with one server.  I also like having good control of the soundcard (I like pulseaudio's ability to combine two soundcards, etc.)
[12:23] <hateyla> After Intalling kubuntu-desktop .. my vga are not working fine.. there is no other screen resolution except. 640x480. but before my screen iz fine..
[12:23] <Eleaf> It would be cool to have wrappers for oss or jack to mix into the server too.
[12:24] <crimsun> are you finished?
[12:24] <zdzichuBG> Eleaf: for oss you have padsp
[12:24] <hateyla> crimsun: who me?