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desrthttp://www.answers.com/topic/gallant12:38
desrthttp://www.answers.com/topic/gnu12:38
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bluefoxicyhmm03:13
bluefoxicyGaim is now called Pidgin03:13
bluefoxicytoo late in the Feisty roll-out to change the package name03:14
sn0nice new name :)03:15
bhaleis that some other language03:15
bhaleor just nonsense.03:15
sharmshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin03:15
bhalegoodness03:16
Burgundaviaand in other news: steve mcintyre is 2nd again03:16
bhaleBurgundavia: dpl?03:17
bluefoxicyyeah apparently they were tired of AOL trying to sue them03:18
Burgundaviabhale: yep03:18
bluefoxicyand AOL was tired of running into a corner and hiding under a newspaper when they realized every new GAIM developer still had lawyers03:18
bluefoxicy(they would try again when a new dev took lead of the project)03:18
_ionThe feisty gaim package could still be modified to "Provides: pidgin", no?03:22
FujitsuA little late for that, and there's little reason.03:29
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StevenKI daresay Debian will handle it, and we'll get a sync for Feisty+103:30
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sn0nn <303:43
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desrtis debootstrapping ubuntu-desktop likely to result in even a marginally working system these days?05:57
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crimsunyes. We're reasonably close to RC, so I'd hope so.06:03
desrti actually meant that in the general sense06:04
desrtas in: is this a supported way of installing a working ubuntu system?06:04
crimsunsupported, no.06:05
crimsunDoes it work? Yes.06:05
desrtthat's nice.06:05
desrti'm just afraid of all the other magic things that the installer does that won't be done :)06:05
crimsunGranted you'll have to do some infrastructure work yourself with locale-gen, tzconfig, etc.06:06
crimsunwell, right, that stuff you'd have to do by hand.06:06
desrthah.  feisty lacks 'man'06:06
desrtwow.06:06
desrtyou can tell space is getting tight on the CD when...06:06
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desrtit is mez.06:08
Mezit's Mr Lortie06:09
desrthow are you today, sir?06:09
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MezI'm not a sir yet!06:14
MezAnd I'm tired, just got home from work06:14
=== desrt fscks 500GB. party.
desrtprobably doesn't help that this drive has millions of inodes.....06:19
desrt(like... 70 million of them)06:20
jdongouch06:24
jdongthat'll be a pain06:25
jdongtook MIT in excess of 4 days to fsck the mailserver, to the point that they gave up on the procedure06:25
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Hobbseehahhaa06:26
=== Hobbsee likes
Hobbseeexcuses for homework not being done are always good :)06:27
jdongyes they certainly are06:28
jdongnow what's the excuse for why my laundry hasn't been folded 3 hours later....06:28
jdonghmm.....06:28
Hobbseeit rained06:29
desrtblame it on the rain?06:32
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jdonglol :)06:32
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Hobbseeyes.06:33
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desrtgod06:35
desrterasing all these files is gonna take FOREVER06:35
=== desrt would almost be better off creating a new fs....
desrtext3 really doesn't scale too well06:36
jdongwell which FS'es erase well?06:36
jdongbasically only reiserfs....06:36
ctanHi, can anyone give me information regarding the SoC?06:37
desrtthe reason i erase is because it does everything else so poorly :p06:37
desrtctan; this is pretty much exactly the wrong place to ask :)06:37
desrtctan; but what did you have in mind?06:37
ctanwell, I submitted my proposal pretty early, but I'm not sure if I was supposed to add it to the SoC wiki too06:38
desrtnope.06:38
desrtall tracking is done through the google interface06:38
desrtif your proposal is in there then you're fine06:38
ctanoh okay, thanks :)06:38
ctancould you tell me which channel would be more related to SoC? 06:40
desrti'm actually not sure for ubuntu06:40
=== desrt is mentoring for a different project
ctancool, what project is that ?06:41
desrtgnome06:41
ctandid you get a lot of good proposals?06:42
desrtmost of the proposals were ones that we would not accept, but we definitely have more than enough good ones06:43
ctanI looked through SoC 2006 accepted proposals, and the nicest ones that I could find were for AbiSource & Internet206:43
ctandesrt; is it usually so dead in here, or is everyone just using private messages?06:52
desrtit's usually more active in here.  it's a holiday weekend, though06:52
desrtit's also a week before a release so those few people who are on their computers have lots of work to do :)06:53
Burgundaviaare the accepted proposals out yet?06:54
ctanah yes, i'm pretty excited about that06:55
desrtBurgundavia; on wednesday06:55
ctannope, not until the 11th06:55
desrtat "5pm"06:55
desrtbut i wouldn't be too suprised if they're a bit late06:55
desrtgoogle is tragically optimistic :)06:55
ctanmy application's last modified date still hasn't changed, so I think Ubuntu must be swamped06:56
desrtthe mentor interface to SoC allows us to rank and comment on your application without you seeing the change06:56
desrtthere's also the possibility that your application immediately got ranked negatively and hasn't been looked at since06:57
ctanhehe yep :P06:57
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miyakohey, I think I found a bug in the Feisty installer07:30
miyakojust though I would stop by and report it, see if there was any debugging info that would be useful to anyone07:30
LaserJockok, file a bug on Launchpad07:30
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miyakoalright07:31
LaserJockhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug and the Desktop cd installer package is called ubiquity07:31
Saiedhi all07:31
SaiedSeveas: problem with pngtobogl elready exists07:31
Saiedcan anyone help me in usplash customization?07:32
Saiedi generated usplash-artwork.so but cant be loaded at boot time07:33
Saiedhow can i debug that?07:33
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Hobbseehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/07:36
ubotuMalone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends  kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [High,Confirmed]  07:36
LaserJockdon't ... do ... it07:37
HobbseeLaserJock: why?07:38
LaserJockno reason07:38
LaserJockI just like saying that ;-)07:38
HobbseeLaserJock: apart from the fact htat it's oo.o, and that i wouldnt be test building it, for that reason.07:38
Hobbseeholy mashed potatoes... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/07:39
ubotuMalone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends  kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [Critical,Confirmed]  07:39
jdongLaserJock: that's kinda what I was told when I wanted to plug in that 20,000-turn electromagnet to a marine battery....07:39
HobbseeNeed to get 309MB of source archives. sorry07:39
LaserJockjdong: hmm07:40
jdongHobbsee: it'll unpack to in excess of a 8GB build environment and take 9 hours on a P4 :)07:40
Hobbseejdong: that's why i wont test build07:40
jdongHobbsee: that's about one of the only things I learned from gentoo ;-)07:40
Hobbseelol07:40
LaserJock9hr?07:40
jdongLaserJock: it was 9hr on my A64 3000+07:40
jdongLaserJock: stock gentoo emerge openoffice.org07:40
LaserJockI must have been a while since I compiled it07:40
LaserJockI never remember it taking that long on gentoo07:41
jdongLaserJock: I'm not sure if advances in the compiler stack have reduced it07:41
LaserJockKDE was always the killer07:41
jdongLaserJock: honestly most people emerge openoffice.org-bin07:41
jdongLaserJock: not the whole openoffice.org source build....07:41
LaserJockwell, it's been a couple years07:41
jdongLaserJock: OOo takes absurdly long to build07:41
jdongit's not even funny07:41
jdonglonger than all of KDE combined.07:41
LaserJockhmm07:41
jdongyou most likely just emerged openoffice.org-bin :D07:42
LaserJockyeah, I remember before they split it all up07:42
jdongor ximian-openoffice.org-bin07:42
LaserJocknah, I built it a few times07:42
=== jdong liked the Ximian variant back then
jdongLaserJock: lol once I put /var on a 4GB partition....07:42
jdongkinda didn't think ahead on that one :D07:42
LaserJockmy memory must have been off07:42
LaserJockit was probably during one of the "oh, openoffice and KDE updates, I'll come back next week" moments ;-)07:43
=== Hobbsee notes she's using someone else's bandwidth to do this fix...
jdonghehehe :)07:43
LaserJockman I loved Gentoo07:43
jdongI gotta say it was a fun ride07:44
LaserJockbut thank goodness Ubuntu came around07:44
jdongas much as I complain about it nowadays, I did have a lot of fun with the OS.07:44
jdongand Ubuntu came just when I lost faith in Gentoo07:44
jdongperfect timing07:44
LaserJockyeah, my problem was always that I never cared about building from source or optimization07:45
LaserJockI just loved that darn near every Linux app I ever wanted was an emerge away07:46
jdongI went to gentoo for its up-to-date repos and vast breadth of portage07:46
LaserJockyep07:46
jdongI stayed with it for its community.... Inflammatory at times? most certainly... but some of the most effin creative minds of what you can do with a Linux system07:46
jdongI left because of growing QA issues with updates, and also the rolling updates systems often left upgrade "surprises" for me to fix at the most inopportune times07:47
ctandoesn't that happen with ubuntu too though?07:48
sharmsctan: in theory no.07:48
jdongctan: not nearly as much07:48
jdongctan: our QA mishaps are childsplay compared to some of the Gentoo beefs07:48
jdongthe most infuriating one I remember.. they were pushing a critical mysql security fix....07:48
jdongand the package forgot to install libmysqlclient40.so07:48
jdongwhich effectively zapped the LAMP stack07:49
jdongctan: and Ubuntu has fixed update intervals. That is, you deal with major changes every time you choose to upgrade to a new release07:49
jdongincremental security/bugfix updates are very unintrusive07:49
jdongyou will never apply an apache update to a released version , then have it refuse to start because configfile syntax changed07:50
ctanahh, I've never tried gentoo before07:50
ctantheir online documentation is really good though07:50
sharmsyes their wiki is very good07:51
jdongtheir documentation and wiki are both superb07:51
jdongand the tips/tricks section of their forum is even better07:51
jdongthey have some of the neatest mods to a gentoo system07:52
jdongsuch as a squashfs root, or a completely boot-to-RAM system07:52
ctanis it really much faster to have something compiled vs downloading a binary?07:53
jdongI wouldn't say so07:54
jdongwhat makes gentoo 'faster' is more related to the fact that via USE flags, users can exclude unneeded functionality07:54
jdongit's that extra level of customizability that gives gentoo the edge in that regard07:54
jdong(also they usually choose not to apply any patches that add certain features at the cost of performance)07:54
ctanbut with even more tweaking needed :-O07:54
jdongctan: frankly I think the time spent tweaking/configuring/maintaining is not even remotely close to being justified by the 'performance gains'07:55
ctanyes, that's why I'm using windows07:55
ctanuh oh don't flame me :P07:56
jdong:)07:56
ctanI love ubuntu-server though07:56
ctanexcept my USB was broken from dapper -> edgy07:57
ctanI think I will be switching to ubuntu for desktop soon, once I get starcraft running under wine07:58
jdonglol starcraft works ok under wine08:00
jdongjust no battlenet08:00
jdong(but this is terribly off topic :D)08:00
ctanyes :)08:01
ctani'm going to sleep, g'nite08:02
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cjwatson_desrt: huh? feisty does not lack 'man'02:10
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cjwatson_desrt: sounds like you forgot to install ubuntu-standard02:11
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Nafalloman-db even :-)02:17
cjwatsonapt-cache show man-db, I know what the package name is ...02:17
cjwatsonbut desrt was talking about /usr/bin/man02:18
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Nafalloah. I thought that was the package for that bin :-)02:19
Nafallocjwatson: dooh. are you the maintainer for EVERYTHING important? :-)02:20
cjwatsonI took on a fair amount of core stuff about five or six years ago02:21
HobbseeNafallo: no, not upstart.02:21
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nhywhat are the correct opengl headers for ubuntu?02:21
NafalloHobbsee: he might aswell have the old init though ;-)02:22
Hobbsee:P02:22
Nafallosysvinit, that's the one :-)02:22
Hobbseenhy: #ubuntu for support02:22
nhysorry02:22
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chakshi all02:27
chaksis there anybody with whom i can discuss regarding Ubuntu AcademicInvolvement as given in this page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcademicInvolvement02:27
chaksthanks02:27
chaksif this is not the right channel, am sorry :(02:28
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Hobbseechaks: interesting02:31
chaksthanks Hobbsee, but not sure which channel I should use :)02:32
chaksam a Masters Student in University Of Otago02:32
Hobbseechaks: probably not here.  maybe #ubuntu-motu.  anyway, i'd look for dholbach, who is the guy who wrote that02:32
chaksand want to discuss regarding my project02:32
Hobbseelots of people are on holidays at the moment02:32
chaksoh..yea, Easter!02:32
Hobbsee(the people who'd be able to point you in hte right direction)02:32
chaks:D02:32
Hobbseeyeah02:32
chaksanyways, thanks Hobbsee, will check the #ubuntu-motu channel too02:33
Hobbseecome back in a couple of days, look for dholbach - he can at least point you to where you shoudl go02:33
Hobbsee:)02:33
chakssure :)02:33
chaksbrb02:33
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Pupeno_Hello.02:43
chakshi Pupeno_02:44
HobbseePupeno_: please see the /topic02:44
Pupeno_Hobbsee: yes.02:44
Hobbsee:)02:44
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\shmoins03:10
Nafallomorning03:11
zygahey 03:12
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zygare03:29
zygathank you guys03:30
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mjg59tepsipakki: Hm. When you changed wacom-tools to use /dev/input/wacom, did you update the X server config to match?04:17
Nafalloaccording to changelog, he did.04:18
mjg59Ah, yeah04:19
mjg59I was looking at the wrong package04:19
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tepsipakkimjg59: yes, it should be fine now04:22
mjg59tepsipakki: Yup, looks good. Thanks!04:22
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okaratasreleased for debian 4.0 "etch"05:04
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Zichello, I have a particular question : in Kubuntu Feisty, the OEM installer is pretty cool, and simply, in Ubuntu Feisty, we always have a poor graphic OEM ...05:06
Zicanything is planned for this ?05:06
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desrtcjwatson; i just installed the herd5 cd...05:21
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Pupeno_I think I've found at the very least, an incompatibility between Edgy's and Feisty's cryptsetup05:31
HobbseePupeno_: please file a bug on it05:31
Pupeno_If any dev whishes for my help in debugging this, I'll be willing to spend some hours in it before I remake my crypted FS restoring the backup.05:31
Pupeno_Hobbsee: I will.05:32
Hobbseeseeing as the relevant devs probably arent here05:32
Pupeno_obviously, my password to launchpad is on the encrypted FS... :/05:33
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stgraberPupeno_: What kind of problem is that ? (I'm not a developper but I've seen some cryptsetup bugs on LP)05:43
Pupeno_stgraber: the encrypted FS is not readable.05:43
Pupeno_stgraber: encrypted in Edgy, not readable in Feisty.05:44
stgraberPupeno_: even if you try to mount it manually from the LiveCD for instance ?05:45
Pupeno_stgraber: I don't have a Feisty LiveCD, but from the Edgy LiveCD it is readable.05:45
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stgraberok, so when do you actually see the problem ?05:46
stgraberat boot time ? after ?05:46
Pupeno_stgraber: when I try to mount the mapping.05:46
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Pupeno_stgraber: manually, on the Feisty install (which was upgraded from Edgy).05:47
Pupeno_stgraber: it was supousedly to mount automatically, but nevermind that.05:47
Pupeno_stgraber: I tried fscking it and what is found doesn't resemble a partition.05:47
stgraber:(05:47
Pupeno_a filesystem I mean.05:47
jdongI would expect fscking an encrypted partition would be a pretty futile operation ;-)05:50
Pupeno_jdong: I am fscking the unencrypted mapping of the partition.05:51
sharmsjdong: I *tried* to resize my ext3 partition, but I didnt realize that ubuntu automatically mounts it, fsck'd it and then updated fdisk for new size05:51
jdongah, ok05:51
sharmsit died.05:51
jdongsharms: ouch05:51
jdongsharms: I did the same to my XFS the other day -- I remounted it ro to repair it05:51
sharmsofcourse there is no good way to find superblocks if you resize05:51
jdongsharms: but it turns out mount lies05:51
jdongand it wasn't ro....05:52
sharmsooooh05:52
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sharmsha that is why for now on I am keeping all my important data written down on sticky notes next to my desk05:53
sharmsI think it is the future of datastorage05:53
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jdonglol05:53
jdongor you can try backups like what I fortunately did :D05:53
sharmsI dont backup my files, I just generally assume they exist in more than 1 place05:54
jdonglol :)05:54
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jdongI have a friend who does that :)05:54
Pupeno_When I travel I take only one of the and leave the other behind.05:54
jdongit turns out his assumptions are kinda flawed05:54
jdonglike he has a RAID0....05:54
jdongand 2 months ago he swapped out one member for a faster drive05:55
jdongand last week that faster drive died05:55
jdongand he plugged in the 2-month-old one05:55
jdongand expected it to work somehow05:55
jdongthat was a fun phone call :)05:55
sharmshaha05:56
Pupeno_brb.05:56
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jdongto make matters worse, he is an AVID defragger :)05:57
jdongso I basically had to tell him he has 4kb perforated versions of all his files now :D05:57
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pupenoI'm back.06:02
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pupenoOk, I've reported my problem on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/88213/comments/2506:18
ubotuMalone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress]  06:18
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pupenoDoes anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213] 06:27
ubotuMalone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8821306:27
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vciagliahi, i think there's a problem with firefox on amd64. When i use multiple tabs and i try to close one of them... i have a server X restart!06:45
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andreaswHi I use feisty and my CDs get ejected after some time06:49
andreasw[31145.776312]  ata2: soft resetting port06:50
andreasw[31148.910237]  ata2.00: configured for UDMA/3306:50
andreasw[31149.074351]  ata2.01: configured for UDMA/3306:50
andreasw[31149.074374]  ata2: EH complete06:50
andreasw[31160.854855]  sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.06:50
andreaswI find this in the logs06:50
Seveas!bugs | andreasw 06:53
ubotuandreasw: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:53
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sharmsandreasw: the best idea there is to check the integrity of the cd first, and also it looks like your cdrom drive might be getting ready to go07:00
sharmsandreasw: most cdrom drives are made very cheap, wouldn't be the first time07:00
andreaswit worked with 6.10 it works with windows it works with arch it works with freebsd07:00
andreaswbut of course it is a hardware problem07:01
mjg59The libata ATAPI code is known to be dubious in places07:01
mjg59It's entirely plausible that it's a kernel problem07:01
mjg59andreasw: It would be helpful if you could file a bug with that information, and possibly thee previous few lines of dmesg07:02
sharmsandreasw: it is no reason to get mad about it, I am simply saying it was possible07:02
andreaswit only occurs with audio cds however...07:02
andreaswdata cds aren't ejected07:02
jdong_mjg59: I think it might be a libata issue too; those don't look like ordinary unreadable-disc kind of errors07:02
mjg59Interesting.07:02
mjg59jdong_: Those are just the libata "An  error occured, trying tor ecover" messages07:03
andreaswthe funny thing is k3b reads out from cd even if there isn't any cd in the device07:03
andreaswit sounds a little bit strange than07:03
andreaswthe output I mean07:03
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finalbetaAnyone for the kernel here? I'm starting to fear Feisty could air with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/98782 , And that would render it unusable for me. Check out the latest attached dmesg. I hope I don't overstep any boundaries here, but the desperate... :p.07:17
ubotuMalone bug 98782 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel 2.6.20-12/13-386 on Dell Inspiron 8200 means 10 minute boot time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  07:17
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finalbetaIt's 15 minutes with la latest kernel.07:18
sharmsfinalbeta: I bet there are kernel people at #ubuntu-kernel07:20
finalbetaOk, thanks.07:21
andreaswso many ata bugs07:21
finalbetaThe forums are showing many people with ata problems also. But for many it just seems to be a slower UDMA mode. But one can expect allot of nagging at Feisty release.07:23
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sharmspitti: is that release date 100% or is there a chance it gets pushed back?07:31
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Treenakssharms: there is always a change it gets pushed back.. however slight :)07:34
Treenakschange=chance07:34
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sharmsI am hoping so, the amount of open bugs is alarming07:34
Treenakssharms: you could submit patches :)07:35
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sharmsTreenaks: patches are preceded by triaging or organizing, and there is enough triage to last weeks07:36
pittisharms: only major regressions/problems will cause it to slip07:36
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seb128hi08:05
seb128pitti: around?08:05
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robertj_would this fix the legions of "samba doesn't work" posts related to not creating samba users? --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSambaIntegrationSpec09:46
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robertj_there are at least 3 bugs opened against that issue a week09:48
robertj_can someone *pretty-please* take a look at that just to give a first impression/09:52
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thepumpkin1979hi. is there a way to trim the memory workingset for a process?11:04
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ColonelKornHey all11:45
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Burgundaviafabbione: you around? I wanted some information on the new clustering stuff in feisty for the release notes12:05
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bongyI want to make a PPC64 build of Ubuntu (for Xbox 360) was thinking about a short cut via apt-get source and debootstrap but maybe there is buildscript out there? Sry if asking in the wrong channel12:10

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