=== LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] http://www.answers.com/topic/gallant [12:38] http://www.answers.com/topic/gnu === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@adsl-71-146-115-142.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [n=louie@dyn-160-39-43-202.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [n=louie@dyn-160-39-43-202.dyn.columbia.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d8962.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus_ [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms_ [n=sharms@cpe-24-208-240-36.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus_ is now known as stratus === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon12033.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro [n=pedro@pc-204-221-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] hmm [03:13] Gaim is now called Pidgin [03:14] too late in the Feisty roll-out to change the package name [03:15] nice new name :) [03:15] is that some other language [03:15] or just nonsense. [03:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin [03:16] goodness [03:16] and in other news: steve mcintyre is 2nd again [03:17] Burgundavia: dpl? [03:18] yeah apparently they were tired of AOL trying to sue them [03:18] bhale: yep [03:18] and AOL was tired of running into a corner and hiding under a newspaper when they realized every new GAIM developer still had lawyers [03:18] (they would try again when a new dev took lead of the project) [03:22] <_ion> The feisty gaim package could still be modified to "Provides: pidgin", no? [03:29] A little late for that, and there's little reason. === StevenK quite liked the name gaim [03:30] I daresay Debian will handle it, and we'll get a sync for Feisty+1 === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-530d4106aa5bafc1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brian@24-236-152-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pedro [n=pedro@pc-204-221-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:43] nn <3 === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121qgq.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brian@24-236-152-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel === clsk [n=clsk@unaffiliated/clsk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.7.142.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brian@24-236-152-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] is debootstrapping ubuntu-desktop likely to result in even a marginally working system these days? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA3DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] yes. We're reasonably close to RC, so I'd hope so. [06:04] i actually meant that in the general sense [06:04] as in: is this a supported way of installing a working ubuntu system? [06:05] supported, no. [06:05] Does it work? Yes. [06:05] that's nice. [06:05] i'm just afraid of all the other magic things that the installer does that won't be done :) [06:06] Granted you'll have to do some infrastructure work yourself with locale-gen, tzconfig, etc. [06:06] well, right, that stuff you'd have to do by hand. [06:06] hah. feisty lacks 'man' [06:06] wow. [06:06] you can tell space is getting tight on the CD when... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] it is mez. [06:09] it's Mr Lortie [06:09] how are you today, sir? === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:14] I'm not a sir yet! [06:14] And I'm tired, just got home from work === desrt fscks 500GB. party. [06:19] probably doesn't help that this drive has millions of inodes..... [06:20] (like... 70 million of them) [06:24] ouch [06:25] that'll be a pain [06:25] took MIT in excess of 4 days to fsck the mailserver, to the point that they gave up on the procedure === jdong had a fantastic excuse why he couldn't do his homework that week! [06:26] hahhaa === Hobbsee likes [06:27] excuses for homework not being done are always good :) [06:28] yes they certainly are [06:28] now what's the excuse for why my laundry hasn't been folded 3 hours later.... [06:28] hmm..... [06:29] it rained [06:32] blame it on the rain? === wereHamster is now known as wereHamster|zZz [06:32] lol :) === desrt goes desrtilli [06:33] yes. === ctan [n=chatzill@fctnnbsc16w-156034211029.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] god [06:35] erasing all these files is gonna take FOREVER === desrt would almost be better off creating a new fs.... [06:36] ext3 really doesn't scale too well [06:36] well which FS'es erase well? [06:36] basically only reiserfs.... [06:37] Hi, can anyone give me information regarding the SoC? [06:37] the reason i erase is because it does everything else so poorly :p [06:37] ctan; this is pretty much exactly the wrong place to ask :) [06:37] ctan; but what did you have in mind? [06:38] well, I submitted my proposal pretty early, but I'm not sure if I was supposed to add it to the SoC wiki too [06:38] nope. [06:38] all tracking is done through the google interface [06:38] if your proposal is in there then you're fine [06:38] oh okay, thanks :) [06:40] could you tell me which channel would be more related to SoC? [06:40] i'm actually not sure for ubuntu === desrt is mentoring for a different project [06:41] cool, what project is that ? [06:41] gnome [06:42] did you get a lot of good proposals? [06:43] most of the proposals were ones that we would not accept, but we definitely have more than enough good ones [06:43] I looked through SoC 2006 accepted proposals, and the nicest ones that I could find were for AbiSource & Internet2 [06:52] desrt; is it usually so dead in here, or is everyone just using private messages? [06:52] it's usually more active in here. it's a holiday weekend, though [06:53] it's also a week before a release so those few people who are on their computers have lots of work to do :) [06:54] are the accepted proposals out yet? [06:55] ah yes, i'm pretty excited about that [06:55] Burgundavia; on wednesday [06:55] nope, not until the 11th [06:55] at "5pm" [06:55] but i wouldn't be too suprised if they're a bit late [06:55] google is tragically optimistic :) [06:56] my application's last modified date still hasn't changed, so I think Ubuntu must be swamped [06:56] the mentor interface to SoC allows us to rank and comment on your application without you seeing the change [06:57] there's also the possibility that your application immediately got ranked negatively and hasn't been looked at since [06:57] hehe yep :P === pradeep [n=pradeep@unaffiliated/pradeep] has joined #ubuntu-devel === miyako [n=ubuntu@12-201-58-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] hey, I think I found a bug in the Feisty installer [07:30] just though I would stop by and report it, see if there was any debugging info that would be useful to anyone [07:30] ok, file a bug on Launchpad === Saied [n=Saied@80.191.2.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] alright [07:31] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug and the Desktop cd installer package is called ubiquity [07:31] hi all [07:31] Seveas: problem with pngtobogl elready exists [07:32] can anyone help me in usplash customization? [07:33] i generated usplash-artwork.so but cant be loaded at boot time [07:33] how can i debug that? === Hobbsee contemplates fixing oo.o === miyako [n=ubuntu@12-201-58-221.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/ [07:36] Malone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [High,Confirmed] [07:37] don't ... do ... it [07:38] LaserJock: why? [07:38] no reason [07:38] I just like saying that ;-) [07:38] LaserJock: apart from the fact htat it's oo.o, and that i wouldnt be test building it, for that reason. [07:39] holy mashed potatoes... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/104176/ [07:39] Malone bug 104176 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org-style-crystal recommends kde-icons-crystal which pulls in KDE for ubuntu users" [Critical,Confirmed] [07:39] LaserJock: that's kinda what I was told when I wanted to plug in that 20,000-turn electromagnet to a marine battery.... [07:39] Need to get 309MB of source archives. sorry [07:40] jdong: hmm [07:40] Hobbsee: it'll unpack to in excess of a 8GB build environment and take 9 hours on a P4 :) [07:40] jdong: that's why i wont test build [07:40] Hobbsee: that's about one of the only things I learned from gentoo ;-) [07:40] lol [07:40] 9hr? [07:40] LaserJock: it was 9hr on my A64 3000+ [07:40] LaserJock: stock gentoo emerge openoffice.org [07:40] I must have been a while since I compiled it [07:41] I never remember it taking that long on gentoo [07:41] LaserJock: I'm not sure if advances in the compiler stack have reduced it [07:41] KDE was always the killer [07:41] LaserJock: honestly most people emerge openoffice.org-bin [07:41] LaserJock: not the whole openoffice.org source build.... [07:41] well, it's been a couple years [07:41] LaserJock: OOo takes absurdly long to build [07:41] it's not even funny [07:41] longer than all of KDE combined. [07:41] hmm [07:42] you most likely just emerged openoffice.org-bin :D [07:42] yeah, I remember before they split it all up [07:42] or ximian-openoffice.org-bin [07:42] nah, I built it a few times === jdong liked the Ximian variant back then [07:42] LaserJock: lol once I put /var on a 4GB partition.... [07:42] kinda didn't think ahead on that one :D [07:42] my memory must have been off [07:43] it was probably during one of the "oh, openoffice and KDE updates, I'll come back next week" moments ;-) === Hobbsee notes she's using someone else's bandwidth to do this fix... [07:43] hehehe :) [07:43] man I loved Gentoo [07:44] I gotta say it was a fun ride [07:44] but thank goodness Ubuntu came around [07:44] as much as I complain about it nowadays, I did have a lot of fun with the OS. [07:44] and Ubuntu came just when I lost faith in Gentoo [07:44] perfect timing [07:45] yeah, my problem was always that I never cared about building from source or optimization [07:46] I just loved that darn near every Linux app I ever wanted was an emerge away [07:46] I went to gentoo for its up-to-date repos and vast breadth of portage [07:46] yep [07:46] I stayed with it for its community.... Inflammatory at times? most certainly... but some of the most effin creative minds of what you can do with a Linux system [07:47] I left because of growing QA issues with updates, and also the rolling updates systems often left upgrade "surprises" for me to fix at the most inopportune times [07:48] doesn't that happen with ubuntu too though? [07:48] ctan: in theory no. [07:48] ctan: not nearly as much [07:48] ctan: our QA mishaps are childsplay compared to some of the Gentoo beefs [07:48] the most infuriating one I remember.. they were pushing a critical mysql security fix.... [07:48] and the package forgot to install libmysqlclient40.so [07:49] which effectively zapped the LAMP stack [07:49] ctan: and Ubuntu has fixed update intervals. That is, you deal with major changes every time you choose to upgrade to a new release [07:49] incremental security/bugfix updates are very unintrusive [07:50] you will never apply an apache update to a released version , then have it refuse to start because configfile syntax changed [07:50] ahh, I've never tried gentoo before [07:50] their online documentation is really good though [07:51] yes their wiki is very good [07:51] their documentation and wiki are both superb [07:51] and the tips/tricks section of their forum is even better [07:52] they have some of the neatest mods to a gentoo system [07:52] such as a squashfs root, or a completely boot-to-RAM system [07:53] is it really much faster to have something compiled vs downloading a binary? [07:54] I wouldn't say so [07:54] what makes gentoo 'faster' is more related to the fact that via USE flags, users can exclude unneeded functionality [07:54] it's that extra level of customizability that gives gentoo the edge in that regard [07:54] (also they usually choose not to apply any patches that add certain features at the cost of performance) [07:54] but with even more tweaking needed :-O [07:55] ctan: frankly I think the time spent tweaking/configuring/maintaining is not even remotely close to being justified by the 'performance gains' [07:55] yes, that's why I'm using windows [07:56] uh oh don't flame me :P [07:56] :) [07:56] I love ubuntu-server though [07:57] except my USB was broken from dapper -> edgy [07:58] I think I will be switching to ubuntu for desktop soon, once I get starcraft running under wine [08:00] lol starcraft works ok under wine [08:00] just no battlenet [08:00] (but this is terribly off topic :D) [08:01] yes :) [08:02] i'm going to sleep, g'nite === ctan [n=chatzill@fctnnbsc16w-156034211029.nb.aliant.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=mvgh@122.0.231.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=mvgh@122.0.231.112] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@62.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === afflux [n=k@pentabarf.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@62.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@62.23-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wereHamster|zZz is now known as wereHamster === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590d82b2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-75.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Magnus1 [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Magnus1 [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Monk-e [n=guido@cust-03-55bf3757.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === duese [n=Ident@p5484ef16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.130.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host45-194-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.191.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freshtonic [n=jam@203-158-42-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] desrt: huh? feisty does not lack 'man' === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] desrt: sounds like you forgot to install ubuntu-standard === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] man-db even :-) [02:17] apt-cache show man-db, I know what the package name is ... [02:18] but desrt was talking about /usr/bin/man === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] ah. I thought that was the package for that bin :-) [02:20] cjwatson: dooh. are you the maintainer for EVERYTHING important? :-) [02:21] I took on a fair amount of core stuff about five or six years ago [02:21] Nafallo: no, not upstart. === nhy [n=natan@80.178.101.244.adsl.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] what are the correct opengl headers for ubuntu? [02:22] Hobbsee: he might aswell have the old init though ;-) [02:22] :P [02:22] sysvinit, that's the one :-) [02:22] nhy: #ubuntu for support [02:22] sorry === chaks [n=chaks@student-4.networking.otago.ac.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] hi all [02:27] is there anybody with whom i can discuss regarding Ubuntu AcademicInvolvement as given in this page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcademicInvolvement [02:27] thanks [02:28] if this is not the right channel, am sorry :( === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54bec999.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] chaks: interesting [02:32] thanks Hobbsee, but not sure which channel I should use :) [02:32] am a Masters Student in University Of Otago [02:32] chaks: probably not here. maybe #ubuntu-motu. anyway, i'd look for dholbach, who is the guy who wrote that [02:32] and want to discuss regarding my project [02:32] lots of people are on holidays at the moment [02:32] oh..yea, Easter! [02:32] (the people who'd be able to point you in hte right direction) [02:32] :D [02:32] yeah [02:33] anyways, thanks Hobbsee, will check the #ubuntu-motu channel too [02:33] come back in a couple of days, look for dholbach - he can at least point you to where you shoudl go [02:33] :) [02:33] sure :) [02:33] brb === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-57.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chaks [n=chaks@student-4.networking.otago.ac.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.130.124] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pupeno_ [n=ubuntu@154-169-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] Hello. [02:44] hi Pupeno_ [02:44] Pupeno_: please see the /topic [02:44] Hobbsee: yes. 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When you changed wacom-tools to use /dev/input/wacom, did you update the X server config to match? [04:18] according to changelog, he did. [04:19] Ah, yeah [04:19] I was looking at the wrong package === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hipertracker [n=hipertra@83.147.135.10] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:22] mjg59: yes, it should be fine now [04:22] tepsipakki: Yup, looks good. Thanks! === gismo_ [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.130.124] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brian@24-236-152-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gismo_ [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] released for debian 4.0 "etch" === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] hello, I have a particular question : in Kubuntu Feisty, the OEM installer is pretty cool, and simply, in Ubuntu Feisty, we always have a poor graphic OEM ... [05:06] anything is planned for this ? === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Quitte"] === Pupeno_ [n=ubuntu@154-169-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Adri2000_ [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-120.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] cjwatson; i just installed the herd5 cd... === ToxicaFunk [n=chatzill@137.Red-88-16-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] I think I've found at the very least, an incompatibility between Edgy's and Feisty's cryptsetup [05:31] Pupeno_: please file a bug on it [05:31] If any dev whishes for my help in debugging this, I'll be willing to spend some hours in it before I remake my crypted FS restoring the backup. [05:32] Hobbsee: I will. [05:32] seeing as the relevant devs probably arent here [05:33] obviously, my password to launchpad is on the encrypted FS... :/ === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-SIXTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] Pupeno_: What kind of problem is that ? (I'm not a developper but I've seen some cryptsetup bugs on LP) [05:43] stgraber: the encrypted FS is not readable. [05:44] stgraber: encrypted in Edgy, not readable in Feisty. [05:45] Pupeno_: even if you try to mount it manually from the LiveCD for instance ? [05:45] stgraber: I don't have a Feisty LiveCD, but from the Edgy LiveCD it is readable. === jdong_ is now known as jdong [05:46] ok, so when do you actually see the problem ? [05:46] at boot time ? after ? [05:46] stgraber: when I try to mount the mapping. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] stgraber: manually, on the Feisty install (which was upgraded from Edgy). [05:47] stgraber: it was supousedly to mount automatically, but nevermind that. [05:47] stgraber: I tried fscking it and what is found doesn't resemble a partition. [05:47] :( [05:47] a filesystem I mean. [05:50] I would expect fscking an encrypted partition would be a pretty futile operation ;-) [05:51] jdong: I am fscking the unencrypted mapping of the partition. [05:51] jdong: I *tried* to resize my ext3 partition, but I didnt realize that ubuntu automatically mounts it, fsck'd it and then updated fdisk for new size [05:51] ah, ok [05:51] it died. [05:51] sharms: ouch [05:51] sharms: I did the same to my XFS the other day -- I remounted it ro to repair it [05:51] ofcourse there is no good way to find superblocks if you resize [05:51] sharms: but it turns out mount lies [05:52] and it wasn't ro.... [05:52] ooooh === alex-weej [n=alex@82.23.191.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] ha that is why for now on I am keeping all my important data written down on sticky notes next to my desk [05:53] I think it is the future of datastorage === rodneygomes [n=rlg@adsl-68-124-191-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] lol [05:53] or you can try backups like what I fortunately did :D [05:54] I dont backup my files, I just generally assume they exist in more than 1 place [05:54] lol :) === Pupeno_ keeps two HDs of backup, one updated often, next to the computer, and the other updated less often, hidden in the house. [05:54] I have a friend who does that :) [05:54] When I travel I take only one of the and leave the other behind. [05:54] it turns out his assumptions are kinda flawed [05:54] like he has a RAID0.... [05:55] and 2 months ago he swapped out one member for a faster drive [05:55] and last week that faster drive died [05:55] and he plugged in the 2-month-old one [05:55] and expected it to work somehow [05:55] that was a fun phone call :) [05:56] haha [05:56] brb. === rodneygomes [n=rlgomes@adsl-68-124-191-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] to make matters worse, he is an AVID defragger :) [05:57] so I basically had to tell him he has 4kb perforated versions of all his files now :D === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToxicaFunk [n=chatzill@137.Red-88-16-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pupeno [n=pupeno@154-169-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] I'm back. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p213.54.54.125.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] Ok, I've reported my problem on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/88213/comments/25 [06:18] Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress] === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=sno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] Does anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213] [06:27] Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88213 === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host243-25-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] hi, i think there's a problem with firefox on amd64. When i use multiple tabs and i try to close one of them... i have a server X restart! === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === andreasw [n=andreasw@p54b5c582.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] Hi I use feisty and my CDs get ejected after some time [06:50] [31145.776312] ata2: soft resetting port [06:50] [31148.910237] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33 [06:50] [31149.074351] ata2.01: configured for UDMA/33 [06:50] [31149.074374] ata2: EH complete [06:50] [31160.854855] sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive. [06:50] I find this in the logs [06:53] !bugs | andreasw [06:53] andreasw: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] andreasw: the best idea there is to check the integrity of the cd first, and also it looks like your cdrom drive might be getting ready to go [07:00] andreasw: most cdrom drives are made very cheap, wouldn't be the first time [07:00] it worked with 6.10 it works with windows it works with arch it works with freebsd [07:01] but of course it is a hardware problem [07:01] The libata ATAPI code is known to be dubious in places [07:01] It's entirely plausible that it's a kernel problem [07:02] andreasw: It would be helpful if you could file a bug with that information, and possibly thee previous few lines of dmesg [07:02] andreasw: it is no reason to get mad about it, I am simply saying it was possible [07:02] it only occurs with audio cds however... [07:02] data cds aren't ejected [07:02] mjg59: I think it might be a libata issue too; those don't look like ordinary unreadable-disc kind of errors [07:02] Interesting. [07:03] jdong_: Those are just the libata "An error occured, trying tor ecover" messages [07:03] the funny thing is k3b reads out from cd even if there isn't any cd in the device [07:03] it sounds a little bit strange than [07:03] the output I mean === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] Anyone for the kernel here? I'm starting to fear Feisty could air with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/98782 , And that would render it unusable for me. Check out the latest attached dmesg. I hope I don't overstep any boundaries here, but the desperate... :p. [07:17] Malone bug 98782 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel 2.6.20-12/13-386 on Dell Inspiron 8200 means 10 minute boot time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] It's 15 minutes with la latest kernel. [07:20] finalbeta: I bet there are kernel people at #ubuntu-kernel [07:21] Ok, thanks. [07:21] so many ata bugs [07:23] The forums are showing many people with ata problems also. But for many it just seems to be a slower UDMA mode. But one can expect allot of nagging at Feisty release. === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joke_day [n=michael@82.153.24.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arador [n=dcg@20.pool80-103-3.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508d84c1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] pitti: is that release date 100% or is there a chance it gets pushed back? === tommy1987 [n=tom@host86-145-89-27.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] sharms: there is always a change it gets pushed back.. however slight :) [07:34] change=chance === tommy1987 [n=tom@host86-145-89-27.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] I am hoping so, the amount of open bugs is alarming [07:35] sharms: you could submit patches :) === robertj_ [n=robertj@97.81.79.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] Treenaks: patches are preceded by triaging or organizing, and there is enough triage to last weeks [07:36] sharms: only major regressions/problems will cause it to slip === Spencer [n=Weiss@cpe-76-190-154-175.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spencer [n=Weiss@cpe-76-190-154-175.neo.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sonictwin [n=ryan@c-68-61-98-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] hi [08:05] pitti: around? 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--> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSambaIntegrationSpec === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54bec999.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:48] there are at least 3 bugs opened against that issue a week [09:52] can someone *pretty-please* take a look at that just to give a first impression/ === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli_ [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host86-147-89-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@105.213-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-234-220.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-234-220.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@212-139-116-224.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@12-226-238-227.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thepumpkin1979 [n=jhernand@190.72.184.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] hi. is there a way to trim the memory workingset for a process? 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I wanted some information on the new clustering stuff in feisty for the release notes === bongy [n=bongy@h139n2fls34o990.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] I want to make a PPC64 build of Ubuntu (for Xbox 360) was thinking about a short cut via apt-get source and debootstrap but maybe there is buildscript out there? Sry if asking in the wrong channel