[12:22] crimsun: hi, could you upload something to main for me please? [12:22] Isn't main incredibly frozen? [12:23] yeah, but I got the approval from cjwatson [12:23] Adri2000: yes, url [12:23] http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/devscripts_2.9.27ubuntu13.debdiff [12:24] Adri2000: could you amend that debdiff to state unequivocally in debian/changelog that you have approval from Colin, please? [12:24] that way there's no question [12:25] "* Freeze exception approved by Colin Watson" ? [12:25] yes, that's sufficient [12:26] ok [12:27] done [12:30] devscripts_2.9.27ubuntu13_source.changes: done. [12:30] Successfully uploaded packages. [12:30] thanks === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PhinnFort [n=martin@unaffiliated/phinnfort] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-68-167-206-110.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-68-167-206-110.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-68-167-206-110.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] hmm, so Etch seems like it's really going to happen :-) [01:14] that's funny: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/6 === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] it seems they're using drupal [01:19] maybe they should block public access to /blog/* and /node/* URL ... === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:32] LaserJock: I know! It's incredible. The release notes are even frozen, I believ.e === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] Fujitsu: they're even getting release parties ready [01:39] I noticed, they all seem to be the 13th. [01:40] I'm unable to find a reason why that day was chosen. [01:41] hmm... Friday 13th, Etch released? That sounds reasonable [01:41] well, it'll be good to get it out === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] I've actually got a fair amount of work that's been waiting since November or so [01:42] It's only 4 months since the probably release date. [01:42] *probable [01:42] you can't rush genius ;-) [01:42] that's interesting [01:43] :D [01:43] so we basically did a whole release (edgy) in about the amount of time they delayed Etch [01:43] Heheh. [01:43] it's fascinating [01:43] well, to be fair, at least Etch's packages will be installable... [01:43] True. [01:43] exactly === Fujitsu works on the RC bug list. [01:44] I'm not saying it in a negative sense [01:44] the work they do is amazing [01:44] I just think it's interesting comparing the two distro's development styles [01:44] we basically work on the same packages [01:44] but do so differently [01:45] I think I'm more of the Debian model myself [01:46] Are you saying you'd prefer to have a stable release? Impossible! [01:46] I'm saying I don't really care about releases much [01:47] I'd rather have a slow-n-steady, focused, release when it's ready, release [01:47] I believe the targeted release date is tomorrow [01:47] minghua: Which means it probably will be the 13th. [01:47] Fujitsu: huh? how so? [01:48] delay is of course a possibility [01:48] Since when does Debian release on a targeted release date? [01:48] well, eventually it does [01:48] it just gets "modified" several times as the time narrows [01:48] well, in the past releases, when the RMs and the CD guys say "we'll release _tomorrow_", they usually do [01:49] Eventually... It was meant to be released on the 2nd. [01:49] it's the "we'll release in two month" promises that are usually broken [01:49] yeah, once *everything* is frozen there's not a lot you can do but release :-) [01:49] exactly [01:50] There was the 20 day warning saying April 2nd. [01:50] although sarge did have a brown paper bag release after one day [01:50] I guess a week after that isn't too bad. [01:51] it's interesting though, we were expecting a flood of new upstream versions midway through Feisty [01:51] but we almost released Feisty before Etch === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] lesson: don't make assumptions based on Debian's release plan? :-) [01:55] Feisty+1 will be interesting as we get an enormous amount of new stuff from Debian. [01:56] yeah [01:59] how do I find the list of package maintained by a particular maintainer in Debian? === okaratas [n=ozgurk@fsf/member/okaratas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] aptitude should be able to do that, ~m or something [02:01] I figured it out [02:03] when etch is out, testing will be stable, and unstable will be testing? [02:03] i mean the repos get relabeled? [02:03] not exactly [02:04] testing will become etch [02:04] nrg88: no, stable, testing and unstable doesn't change at all [02:04] hmm, scratch that [02:04] let me think [02:04] unstable is always unstable [02:05] then testing will become lenny === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] stable will point to etch, lenny will be created as a copy of etch and testing will point to that, unstable doesn't change at all and unstable still points to that [02:05] I think I am correct this time [02:05] I believe minghua to be correct. [02:06] yeah, that makes sense [02:06] so, ubuntu get's it's packages from testing? [02:06] And sarge will become oldstable or something. [02:06] nrg88: unstable [02:06] unstable [02:06] sometimes experimental [02:06] Or experimental sometimes. [02:07] this means feisty will have somewhat newer packages than etch? [02:08] well, it might have some newer and some older [02:08] generally they should be pretty close [02:11] crap, I completely missed the newer hugs source package [02:11] oh well, at least it'll be a sync in feisty+1 [02:12] anybody got much experienec with tex packages? [02:12] Yes, they are freakin' scary :-) [02:13] i heard about something like Grumpy Groundhog, as it would be the ubuntu version of the debian unstable pool, are there any plans to realise it? [02:14] That's waiting on Soyuz being competent... not for a long time yet. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] LaserJock: using, yes; hacking, no. [02:16] it seems to me grumpy is becoming duke nukem forever of ubuntu... [02:17] heh you get what you paid for [02:17] I don't think it's going to happen within the next couple of years. === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] When's the DPL election happening? [02:23] I had a completely crazy idea today of taking over tex maintainership in Ubuntu [02:23] LaserJock: You're insane. [02:23] Fujitsu: well, it's going on right now [02:23] I had that idea once. [02:23] I looked at the packages and decided against it. === bddebian shudders [02:23] They could do with a maintainer, though. [02:24] yeah [02:24] LaserJock: you are quite sane [02:24] tex's isn't maintained in Ubuntu [02:24] has several Main packages [02:24] Fujitsu: I just got the DPL result email [02:24] and there's a pretty good upstream (Debian) [02:25] minghua: oh, who won? [02:25] minghua: result? [02:25] Sam Hocevar is the new DPL [02:25] The winner of the election is Sam Hocevar. [02:25] who? [02:25] he maintains the vlc packages, among many others. [02:25] http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/leader2007/results.png [02:26] zul: exactly my first impression as well... [02:26] he also wrote a very cool input fuzzer for testing various media players' tolerance of bad input [02:26] we'll finally be getting that with the sync from Debian === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] my software engineering sections in the fall will be using it to validate input [02:27] what's a DPL? [02:27] Debian Project Leader [02:28] oh [02:31] there are far too many bugs on the beryl-related source packages [02:32] Oh, wah [02:32] You don't say. [02:32] any UUS still awake? === StevenK wonders where he placed Sam in his vote. [02:32] When I checked a week ago, they made up more then 3% of the {un,mult}iverse bugs. === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] Hrm. 7. Where 4 was None of the Above [02:33] Crap === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] What does the DPL actually do? [02:33] poor StevenK the minority [02:34] Fujitsu: That's a loaded question. :-P [02:34] Fujitsu: I suggest you read Debian constitution is you are truly interested [02:35] Yes, but that doesn't help much at all. [02:36] the DPL does Debian stuff :-) === Fujitsu grumbles at Debian politics. [02:37] well, regardless of what Debian politics may do, we still draw the vast majority of our source packages from Debian. I'd better get cracking on this alsa-lib issue. [02:41] it's 3:41 am here, so i better get some sleep ;) [02:41] goodbye === valles_ [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] LOL ash-fox [02:43] joining the XP key club :) [02:44] XP Pro 32-bit preactivation key, IIRC :) === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus_ [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms_ [n=sharms@cpe-24-208-240-36.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] [03:00] LaserJock: Still waiting for that e-mail from you... === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon12033.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] hello, is anyone here on a Saturday night? [03:09] or are all the MOTUs out partying? === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:10] I'm here, but mostly useless. [03:10] (and not a MOTU) [03:11] guess ubuntu has some happening MOTUs [03:11] rmjb: and I'm here too, playing how many ways can one panic his computer while virtualizing game [03:12] I think the answer is 106 jdong :) [03:12] lol I think I passed that :) [03:12] it's changed since I last tried then === Fujitsu hides. === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] ok, laundry machine is pinging me; time to go put clothes in dryer.... [03:16] jdong: literally? [03:17] Burgundavia: actually I am fingering the machine at a cmdline and inotifying me when it's done [03:17] Burgundavia: but same basic concept ;-) [03:17] right [03:17] jdong: you'll have to let us know how you got an icmp stack on a washing machine === Burgundavia has a bridge to sell somebody === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] rmjb: lol don't ask me, they hooked up a computer to it and put a finger daemon on it [03:22] oh right, you're at MIT [03:23] jdong@severance:~$ finger @laundry [03:23] Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 50 minutes. [03:23] and so on === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF_ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] good ole alsa-lib madness. Glee! [03:50] :-) [03:51] does anyone here running current Feisty have a USB Audio device? [03:51] I can have one in my hands for tomorrow [03:52] ok, I'm trying for tonight (i.e., within the next couple hours), though, so I can ping cjwatson for a freeze exception [03:52] not I, sorry [03:52] crimsun: if you want, I can get one easily, just need to go to teh office === RAOF_ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] bddebian: Up for a look at a merge? [03:53] Possibly, I'm doing some work, work atm :-( [03:54] It's Bug #104215 if you (or someone else) has time... [03:54] Malone bug 104215 in python-numpy "python-numpy: Merge new debian version 1.0.1-8 from debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104215 [03:54] Burgundavia: it's really up to you. Don't put yourself out for it, though. :) [03:55] I want to go biking anyway === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121qgq.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] I'll test the changes locally in about an hour, too, when I get back to the office. [04:03] Burgundavia: bug 104130 [04:03] Malone bug 104130 in alsa-lib "USB-Audio.conf uses the card_name function, which is not defined" [High,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104130 [04:05] crimsun: pretty much all I need to do is to dump that conf file in? [04:05] Burgundavia: yep, replace the existing file with the one I linked to [04:05] Burgundavia: then attempt to use the USB Audio device [04:06] ok [04:06] offline for coffee. This is going to be a strenuous 12 days. [04:07] ok [04:07] ScottK: Has anyone looked at your merge? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] Heya Hobbsee [04:08] StevenK: Not that I know of. [04:08] StevenK: bddebian said he might get to it later, but that's it. [04:09] I'm working on it, sheesh [04:09] StevenK: I take that back. He's working on it. [04:09] :-) [04:09] hey RAOF === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] ScottK: I'm a little confused. We currently have -1, the bug asks for -8 from Debian and your merge says -5 ?? [04:13] Argh. [04:17] bddebian: Seems I was a little confused too. I didn't check closely enough what the merge script gave me. [04:17] No wonder some things didn't make sense. I'll go do it over with the current version. [04:20] does the gdebi satisfydepends not check build-dep version? [04:21] hmm yeah, seems like it's that way [04:21] I just bumped up kdelibs-dev to >= 9999:9999 and it built :D [04:25] ScottK: NP, thx [04:34] ScottK: argg, sorry. Busy with Easter. I'll send it soon === clsk [n=clsk@unaffiliated/clsk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:36] LaserJock: Understand. I'm waiting for the kids to be asleep, then I'll be busy too. === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] bddebian: I uploaded a revised debdiff. I'm still test building the binary, but at least it's a diff of the correct version now. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] ScottK: sent [04:59] LaserJock: I didn't get it yet, but I use greylisting, so it's no suprise. I'll keep an eye out for it. [05:00] I have a question about upstream source [05:00] !ask [05:00] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [05:00] if they only provide it in a .zip file is that ok? [05:00] sure, either repack it as a tar.gz or unpack it in rules [05:02] so i'll just modify the packaging of their source, but not the source, because the zip file also contains one folder called , i.e. without the - === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] bddebian: Looks like the revised debdiff for Bug#104215 is good to go if you have time for another look. [05:11] Hobbsee: you around? [05:11] Burgundavia: yes [05:11] Hobbsee: want to write a couple of sentences on ubuntu women for the UWN? [05:11] Burgundavia: not overly. i'm not terribly involved, tbh. [05:12] ok, just wondering [05:12] i'm not sure i could say something as a representative of the group, hardly being involved [05:12] elkbuntu: might, though [05:12] she promised stuff but has not delivered. Isuspect an attack of RL [05:13] ahh [05:19] Hobbsee: nice work on #104328 :-) [05:20] crimsun: that the PEBKAC OMG A COOKIE!!!! bug? [05:20] yeah [05:20] heh. === Hobbsee thinsk that the "report a bug" link needs to be harder to find. or removed. NOW. === ge75056 [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-180-212.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] Hobbsee: I think you were remarkably restrained in your response on that bug. [05:29] ScottK: hehe [05:29] it's almost gibberish === Hobbsee has finally gotten sick of the "is x going to change in feisty?" and so has said that it's almost final in the topic. [05:30] indeed [05:30] I'm not sure how ~/.mozilla/ is incredibly hidden, but maybe I'm just obtuse. [05:30] ScottK: Building now (had to play Easter bunny) :-) [05:30] crimsun: hehe [05:31] crimsun: but it's a hidden file! it's very hidden! [05:31] bddebian: Great. I'm going to go take care of that (Easter bunny) soon. [05:32] /usr/lib/share/confusing/lightning/tennis/applesauce/mouse/config/X73ffQ/kernel/critical/system/.you_had_a_bug_you_say? [05:32] hehe [05:33] well, we could always send it to /dev/null [05:33] that's kinda hidden [05:33] that'd be nice === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ge75056 [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-180-212.tx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:45] http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html - The headline is "Microsoft is Dead". [05:49] ScottK: I skimmed that article... he didn't mention open source... afais [05:50] No, it was corporate oriented, but interesting none the less. Google wouldn't be Google without Free Software. [05:54] Google killed Microsoft? heh [05:54] I wish I was that kind of dead [05:55] ScottK: Uploaded [05:55] Cool. Thanks. === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] LaserJock: Just sent you a reply. How's that? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] in bzr it says 'you can use revert to "undelete" a file by name' [06:09] but when I try I'm getting: bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: docs [06:10] Gnight folks [06:10] g'night bddebian === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-75-63-17-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] rmjb: Well, bzr revert will only work for things which you've previously "bzr add"ed to your branch. [06:11] Although, on reflection, your question's probably a bit more sane than I though. [06:12] yeah I had them in... they're in the diff of the last commit... just can't get it back [06:12] guess I had to bzr remove before deleting the file?? [06:13] No, I don't think so, from memory. [06:13] You should be able to just "bzr revert" on its own to get rid of all local changes since your last commit. [06:14] want to keep those changes, just want back a file I deleted before the last commit... [06:14] there's not good scenario documentation for bzr I've found [06:15] Ok, so "bzr revert -r 1 bar" works. [06:15] not that I've looked extensively, but I've looked [06:15] r 1 being the revision number [06:15] Aaaah. [06:15] ? [06:15] So, what happens is: "bzr revert bar" works if that's a part of the changes in the working tree. [06:15] that last line was a question [06:15] ScottK: great thanks [06:15] Oh, yes. r 1 is a revision. [06:16] bzr revisions 0 count or start from 1? [06:16] rmjb: And if you've *committed* the delete of "bar", you need to specify the revision in which bar exists [06:16] bzr log tells me they start at 1 [06:16] LaserJock: I should have asked before... Where does that get published? [06:16] rmjb: the first committed revision is 1 [06:16] ScottK: planet.ubuntu.com [06:16] rmjb: IIRC revision 0 is understood as the Blank Revision (tm) [06:17] LaserJock: Would you please let me know when it's up. [06:17] I call the first committed version "Initial versions" :) [06:18] thanks RAOF it worked [06:19] NP. === RAOF likes bzr :) === rmjb still has to get accustomed to revision control systems [06:20] there's something afoot with bzr and packaging? [06:20] will that documentation be out soon? [06:21] There's bzr-builddeb. I'll have to look into that [06:23] !bzr [06:23] bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model. [06:23] bah. w.u.c/BZR is useful [06:24] !seen doko [06:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen doko - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:24] micahcowan: /msg seenserv help [06:25] ugh [06:25] I hate it when I get "fanboys" so to speak [06:25] Huh. Didn't ubotu used to have that feature, at some point? [06:25] it is kind of creepy when you don't know someone and they try to just talk to you forever [06:25] micahcowan: it used to, ages ago [06:25] sharms: make sure you never do ops here. [06:26] it's annoying when they do what you said [06:26] it's creepy when they do that, and try to hit on you. [06:26] omg, sharms? Is that you! Oh /wow/! Big, BIG fan! ^_^ [06:26] no this guy started pm'ing me, and I made the mistake of responding [06:26] Hobbsee: yeah but atleast you are friendly. I am a troll [06:27] enough people hate the sound subsystem that I never have fans :-D [06:27] as to why someone would entertain a conversation with me is beyond me [06:27] crimsun: I am a fan [06:27] sharms: i just ignore people eventually. [06:27] crap, better change my nick [06:27] no its ok, I am outside of your house [06:27] lies, I'm at my office. [06:27] lol [06:27] crimsun, as if you had actually /written/ the sound subsystem, not just maintaining it on Ubuntu (I'm assuming, anyway...) [06:28] micahcowan: if I had written it, it'd be much more poorly written /and/ maintained [06:28] sharms: you might want to lay off on some of your blog posts, they tend towards too trollish at times [06:28] Heh, now I'm curious. [06:28] Burgundavia: I appreciate your constructive criticism :) [06:29] sharms: if they cause me to wince, I will let you know [06:29] I have some weird opinions since I am a bit radical when it comes to offending people, and my views on free software licenses [06:29] myriad opinions are good. [06:29] is apache1 to be deprecated in feisty? like php4? [06:30] sharms: I usually love your blog posts, but I felt a bit uneasy by your one-liner link to the BCM thing.... [06:30] crimsun@Box:~$ apt-cache madison apache{,2} |grep Sources [06:30] apache | 1.3.34-4.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources [06:30] apache2 | 2.2.3-3.2build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources [06:30] rmjb: answer your question? [06:31] sharms: you did explain yourself to a slight degree in the comments; would've been more appropriate if you started by making the blog post a paragraph reflection on the incident, adding a bit more insight than just a link :-/ [06:32] crimsun: yes, my real question is, php5 available for apache1? I don't see a libapache-mod-php5 [06:32] rmjb: no binaries currently [06:32] jdong: I could not intelligently compose my argument at that time so I figured I would just link it. It is all relative though; almost everyone in the Ubuntu community was against my view on that, and everyone in the BSD community was for it [06:33] rmjb: whether there are sources requires a bit of legwork into the NEW queue (I doubt there are) [06:33] crimsun: well I guess that means anyone that wants php5 webapps in feisty will *have* to use apache2... no probs I guess [06:33] Hm. Is there any way to *unsubscribe* u-u-s to a bug? A second bug has a new debdiff which fixes both bugs? [06:34] RAOF: you cant. i can. [06:34] RAOF: bug #? [06:34] bug #98587 [06:34] Malone bug 98587 in specto "[apport] specto crashed with NameError in update()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98587 [06:34] or otherwise reject it, so it'll go off the listing [06:34] sharms: That's cool; I'm just saying my first assessment of the post was trying to fuel the flames, and it doesn't seem like I'm alone in that. [06:34] RAOF: and where's the fixable one? [06:34] (And the new bug #103722) [06:34] Malone bug 103722 in specto "specto crashes when monitoring file changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103722 [06:34] jdong: gotcha [06:35] RAOF: you're confident this fixes the bugs? [06:36] sharms: thanks for listening to my opinion on it :) [06:36] jdong: The less I bug people the more everyone can focus on bugs [06:36] Hobbsee: Yes. The first one is trivial, the second one I've tested as thoroughly as I can. [06:36] RAOF: cool. i'll just upload it, then [06:37] sharms: haha, that's a good thing then :D [06:37] Hobbsee: Ta muchly === Hobbsee installs dpatch, and tries again. [06:40] RAOF: error. [06:40] dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [06:40] please update the diff [06:41] (debdiff) [06:41] ah, everyone's favorite :) [06:41] Argh! Why has it been building locally then :(. [06:41] RAOF: you've got a script fixing it? [06:42] None that I've made myself. Unless devscripts has one that automatically gets run, or something. [06:42] motutools does [06:42] didnt think devscripts did [06:42] Hm. rm'ing a mono tree takes some time. [06:43] Ok, I can't even *see* a motutools package :) [06:43] RAOF: You didn't happen to build the source package on an Edgy box did you? [06:43] Nope [06:43] Feisty box, and a feisty pbuilder [06:43] Hmmm. If they're current, it should have caught that one. [06:45] RAOF: it's not in ubuntu :P === Hobbsee wonders if one can just remove one of the binaries from the archive... [06:46] and if amd64 for a package doesnt build, why not use arch all without amd64 (whatever the syntax is) === RAOF wonders what Hobbsee is talking about [06:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supercollider/+bug/32460 [06:47] Malone bug 32460 in supercollider "Please remove stale AMD64 supercollider binaries." [Medium,Confirmed] [06:48] Hobbsee: I think it's a soyuz bug that the only removal that can be done is a total source+bin removal [06:50] Hobbsee: Attach a fixed debdiff to the bug again? [06:50] jdong: true, but every time that the source is built, it attempts to build an amd64 version, which is silly [06:50] RAOF: yep === RAOF double-checks that it builds in a Feisty pbuilder [06:52] g'night everyone [06:53] Hobbsee: I looked at the control file for supercollider and it looked to my untrained eye like some of the binary packages were still for all architectures. === Hobbsee waits [06:53] ScottK: that's what i would have thought. i'm wondering why [06:53] I suppose the "control contains no Original-Maintainer field" warning can be ignored, as there *is* no original maintainer. [06:53] true [06:53] but the later error cant === Hobbsee notes that you could be the maintainer of that, if you wanted === RAOF plans to. [06:54] :) [06:54] Hobbsee: You need to talk to an archive admin about getting Packages-arch-specific or similar updated, to exclude amd64 for that... [06:55] Hobbsee: It seems to me that the premise of that bug "This binary has not been built from the source (by direction from debian/control) since..." is incorrect. It's only true for some of the binary packages. [06:55] Fujitsu: i thought you could specify which arches to build in the control [06:55] but that would stop it's autosync from debian [06:55] I don't believe you're meant to. [06:55] Time for me to go play Easter bunny and go to bed. Good night all. [06:55] Night ScottK. [06:56] Hobbsee: New debdiff uploaded [06:59] RAOF: done [06:59] Yay! [06:59] yay, less bugs for u-u-s [07:00] Thinking of maintaining packages in Debian, a bunch of the motu are DD's as well, right? [07:00] Yep. [07:00] What do you use to actually *test* your packages? A Sid chroot? A full Sid install? === RAOF hopes he's using the right terminology :-/ [07:01] Burgundavia, i said to go to pleia2 in my email [07:02] elkbuntu: hmm, ah [07:02] RAOF: either. both. === Hobbsee isnt a DD [07:03]