[12:22] <Adri2000> crimsun: hi, could you upload something to main for me please?
[12:22] <Fujitsu> Isn't main incredibly frozen?
[12:23] <Adri2000> yeah, but I got the approval from cjwatson
[12:23] <crimsun> Adri2000: yes, url
[12:23] <Adri2000> http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/devscripts_2.9.27ubuntu13.debdiff
[12:24] <crimsun> Adri2000: could you amend that debdiff to state unequivocally in debian/changelog that you have approval from Colin, please?
[12:24] <crimsun> that way there's no question
[12:25] <Adri2000> "* Freeze exception approved by Colin Watson" ?
[12:25] <crimsun> yes, that's sufficient
[12:26] <Adri2000> ok
[12:27] <Adri2000> done
[12:30] <crimsun>   devscripts_2.9.27ubuntu13_source.changes: done.
[12:30] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:30] <Adri2000> thanks
[01:14] <LaserJock> hmm, so Etch seems like it's really going to happen :-)
[01:14] <theCore> that's funny: http://www.ubuntu.com/node/6
[01:18] <theCore> it seems they're using drupal
[01:19] <theCore> maybe they should block public access to /blog/* and /node/* URL ...
[01:32] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I know! It's incredible. The release notes are even frozen, I believ.e
[01:39] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: they're even getting release parties ready
[01:39] <Fujitsu> I noticed, they all seem to be the 13th.
[01:40] <Fujitsu> I'm unable to find a reason why that day was chosen.
[01:41] <theCore> hmm... Friday 13th, Etch released? That sounds reasonable
[01:41] <LaserJock> well, it'll be good to get it out
[01:41] <LaserJock> I've actually got a fair amount of work that's been waiting since November or so
[01:42] <Fujitsu> It's only 4 months since the probably release date.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> *probable
[01:42] <LaserJock> you can't rush genius ;-)
[01:42] <LaserJock> that's interesting
[01:43] <DktrKranz> :D
[01:43] <LaserJock> so we basically did a whole release (edgy) in about the amount of time they delayed Etch
[01:43] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[01:43] <LaserJock> it's fascinating
[01:43] <crimsun> well, to be fair, at least Etch's packages will be installable...
[01:43] <Fujitsu> True.
[01:43] <LaserJock> exactly
[01:44] <LaserJock> I'm not saying it in a negative sense
[01:44] <LaserJock> the work they do is amazing
[01:44] <LaserJock> I just think it's interesting comparing the two distro's development styles
[01:44] <LaserJock> we basically work on the same packages
[01:44] <LaserJock> but do so differently
[01:45] <LaserJock> I think I'm more of the Debian model myself
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Are you saying you'd prefer to have a stable release? Impossible!
[01:46] <LaserJock> I'm saying I don't really care about releases much
[01:47] <LaserJock> I'd rather have a slow-n-steady, focused, release when it's ready, release
[01:47] <minghua> I believe the targeted release date is tomorrow
[01:47] <Fujitsu> minghua: Which means it probably will be the 13th.
[01:47] <minghua> Fujitsu: huh?  how so?
[01:48] <minghua> delay is of course a possibility
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Since when does Debian release on a targeted release date?
[01:48] <LaserJock> well, eventually it does
[01:48] <LaserJock> it just gets "modified" several times as the time narrows
[01:48] <minghua> well, in the past releases, when the RMs and the CD guys say "we'll release _tomorrow_", they usually do
[01:49] <Fujitsu> Eventually... It was meant to be released on the 2nd.
[01:49] <minghua> it's the "we'll release in two month" promises that are usually broken
[01:49] <LaserJock> yeah, once *everything* is frozen there's not a lot you can do but release :-)
[01:49] <LaserJock> exactly
[01:50] <Fujitsu> There was the 20 day warning saying April 2nd.
[01:50] <minghua> although sarge did have a brown paper bag release after one day
[01:50] <Fujitsu> I guess a week after that isn't too bad.
[01:51] <LaserJock> it's interesting though, we were expecting a flood of new upstream versions midway through Feisty
[01:51] <LaserJock> but we almost released Feisty before Etch
[01:54] <minghua> lesson: don't make assumptions based on Debian's release plan? :-)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Feisty+1 will be interesting as we get an enormous amount of new stuff from Debian.
[01:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:59] <LaserJock> how do I find the list of package maintained by a particular maintainer in Debian?
[02:00] <minghua> aptitude should be able to do that, ~m or something
[02:01] <LaserJock> I figured it out
[02:03] <nrg88> when etch is out, testing will be stable, and unstable will be testing?
[02:03] <nrg88> i mean the repos get relabeled?
[02:03] <LaserJock> not exactly
[02:04] <LaserJock> testing will become etch
[02:04] <minghua> nrg88: no, stable, testing and unstable doesn't change at all
[02:04] <minghua> hmm, scratch that
[02:04] <minghua> let me think
[02:04] <LaserJock> unstable is always unstable
[02:05] <LaserJock> then testing will become lenny
[02:05] <minghua> stable will point to etch, lenny will be created as a copy of etch and testing will point to that, unstable doesn't change at all and unstable still points to that
[02:05] <minghua> I think I am correct this time
[02:05] <Fujitsu> I believe minghua to be correct.
[02:06] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense
[02:06] <nrg88> so, ubuntu get's it's packages from testing?
[02:06] <Fujitsu> And sarge will become oldstable or something.
[02:06] <Fujitsu> nrg88: unstable
[02:06] <LaserJock> unstable
[02:06] <LaserJock> sometimes experimental
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Or experimental sometimes.
[02:07] <nrg88> this means feisty will have somewhat newer packages than etch?
[02:08] <LaserJock> well, it might have some newer and some older
[02:08] <LaserJock> generally they should be pretty close
[02:11] <crimsun> crap, I completely missed the newer hugs source package
[02:11] <crimsun> oh well, at least it'll be a sync in feisty+1
[02:12] <LaserJock> anybody got much experienec with tex packages?
[02:12] <bddebian> Yes, they are freakin' scary :-)
[02:13] <nrg88> i heard about something like Grumpy Groundhog, as it would be the ubuntu version of the debian unstable pool, are there any plans to realise it?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> That's waiting on Soyuz being competent... not for a long time yet.
[02:15] <minghua> LaserJock: using, yes; hacking, no.
[02:16] <minghua> it seems to me grumpy is becoming duke nukem forever of ubuntu...
[02:17] <zul> heh you get what you paid for
[02:17] <Fujitsu> I don't think it's going to happen within the next couple of years.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> When's the DPL election happening?
[02:23] <LaserJock> I had a completely crazy idea today of taking over tex maintainership in Ubuntu
[02:23] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: You're insane.
[02:23] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, it's going on right now
[02:23] <Fujitsu> I had that idea once.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> I looked at the packages and decided against it.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> They could do with a maintainer, though.
[02:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:24] <zul> LaserJock: you are quite sane
[02:24] <LaserJock> tex's isn't maintained in Ubuntu
[02:24] <LaserJock> has several Main packages
[02:24] <minghua> Fujitsu: I just got the DPL result email
[02:24] <LaserJock> and there's a pretty good upstream (Debian)
[02:25] <LaserJock> minghua: oh, who won?
[02:25] <Fujitsu> minghua: result?
[02:25] <minghua> Sam Hocevar is the new DPL
[02:25] <crimsun> The winner of the election is Sam Hocevar.
[02:25] <zul> who?
[02:25] <crimsun> he maintains the vlc packages, among many others.
[02:25] <minghua> http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/leader2007/results.png
[02:26] <minghua> zul: exactly my first impression as well...
[02:26] <crimsun> he also wrote a very cool input fuzzer for testing various media players' tolerance of bad input
[02:26] <crimsun> we'll finally be getting that with the sync from Debian
[02:27] <crimsun> my software engineering sections in the fall will be using it to validate input
[02:27] <nrg88> what's a DPL?
[02:27] <crimsun> Debian Project Leader
[02:28] <nrg88> oh
[02:31] <crimsun> there are far too many bugs on the beryl-related source packages
[02:32] <StevenK> Oh, wah
[02:32] <Fujitsu> You don't say.
[02:32] <DktrKranz> any UUS still awake?
[02:32] <Fujitsu> When I checked a week ago, they made up more then 3% of the {un,mult}iverse bugs.
[02:32] <StevenK> Hrm. 7. Where 4 was None of the Above
[02:33] <StevenK> Crap
[02:33] <Fujitsu> What does the DPL actually do?
[02:33] <minghua> poor StevenK the minority
[02:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: That's a loaded question. :-P
[02:34] <minghua> Fujitsu: I suggest you read Debian constitution is you are truly interested
[02:35] <StevenK> Yes, but that doesn't help much at all.
[02:36] <LaserJock> the DPL does Debian stuff :-)
[02:37] <crimsun> well, regardless of what Debian politics may do, we still draw the vast majority of our source packages from Debian. I'd better get cracking on this alsa-lib issue.
[02:41] <nrg88> it's 3:41 am here, so i better get some sleep ;)
[02:41] <nrg88> goodbye
[02:43] <jdong> LOL ash-fox
[02:43] <jdong> joining the XP key club :)
[02:44] <jdong> XP Pro 32-bit preactivation key, IIRC :)
[03:00] <ScottK> LaserJock: Still waiting for that e-mail from you...
[03:09] <rmjb> hello, is anyone here on a Saturday night?
[03:09] <rmjb> or are all the MOTUs out partying?
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> I'm here, but mostly useless.
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> (and not a MOTU)
[03:11] <rmjb> guess ubuntu has some happening MOTUs
[03:11] <jdong> rmjb: and I'm here too, playing how many ways can one panic his computer while virtualizing game
[03:12] <rmjb> I think the answer is 106 jdong :)
[03:12] <jdong> lol I think I passed that :)
[03:12] <rmjb> it's changed since I last tried then
[03:14] <jdong> ok, laundry machine is pinging me; time to go put clothes in dryer....
[03:16] <Burgundavia> jdong: literally?
[03:17] <jdong> Burgundavia: actually I am fingering the machine at a cmdline and inotifying me when it's done
[03:17] <jdong> Burgundavia: but same basic concept ;-)
[03:17] <Burgundavia> right
[03:17] <rmjb> jdong: you'll have to let us know how you got an icmp stack on a washing machine
[03:21] <jdong> rmjb: lol don't ask me, they hooked up a computer to it and put a finger daemon on it
[03:22] <rmjb> oh right, you're at MIT
[03:23] <jdong> jdong@severance:~$ finger @laundry
[03:23] <jdong>  Frylock (Washer 1) has been off for 50 minutes.
[03:23] <jdong> and so on
[03:50] <crimsun> good ole alsa-lib madness. Glee!
[03:50] <bddebian> :-)
[03:51] <crimsun> does anyone here running current Feisty have a USB Audio device?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> I can have one in my hands for tomorrow
[03:52] <crimsun> ok, I'm trying for tonight (i.e., within the next couple hours), though, so I can ping cjwatson for a freeze exception
[03:52] <bddebian> not I, sorry
[03:52] <Burgundavia> crimsun: if you want, I can get one easily, just need to go to teh office
[03:53] <ScottK> bddebian: Up for a look at a merge?
[03:53] <bddebian> Possibly, I'm doing some work, work atm :-(
[03:54] <ScottK> It's Bug #104215 if you (or someone else) has time...
[03:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 104215 in python-numpy "python-numpy: Merge new debian version 1.0.1-8 from debian sid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104215
[03:54] <crimsun> Burgundavia: it's really up to you. Don't put yourself out for it, though. :)
[03:55] <Burgundavia> I want to go biking anyway
[04:02] <crimsun> I'll test the changes locally in about an hour, too, when I get back to the office.
[04:03] <crimsun> Burgundavia: bug 104130
[04:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 104130 in alsa-lib "USB-Audio.conf uses the card_name function, which is not defined" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104130
[04:05] <Burgundavia> crimsun: pretty much all I need to do is to dump that conf file in?
[04:05] <crimsun> Burgundavia: yep, replace the existing file with the one I linked to
[04:05] <crimsun> Burgundavia: then attempt to use the USB Audio device
[04:06] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:06] <crimsun> offline for coffee. This is going to be a strenuous 12 days.
[04:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:07] <StevenK> ScottK: Has anyone looked at your merge?
[04:08] <RAOF> Heya Hobbsee
[04:08] <ScottK> StevenK: Not that I know of.
[04:08] <ScottK> StevenK: bddebian said he might get to it later, but that's it.
[04:09] <bddebian> I'm working on it, sheesh
[04:09] <ScottK> StevenK: I take that back.  He's working on it.
[04:09] <bddebian> :-)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hey RAOF 
[04:13] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm a little confused.  We currently have -1, the bug asks for -8 from Debian and your merge says -5 ??
[04:13] <ScottK> Argh.
[04:17] <ScottK> bddebian: Seems I was a little confused too.  I didn't check closely enough what the merge script gave me.
[04:17] <ScottK> No wonder some things didn't make sense.  I'll go do it over with the current version.
[04:20] <jdong> does the gdebi satisfydepends not check build-dep version?
[04:21] <jdong> hmm yeah, seems like it's that way
[04:21] <jdong> I just bumped up kdelibs-dev to >= 9999:9999 and it built :D
[04:25] <bddebian> ScottK: NP, thx
[04:34] <LaserJock> ScottK: argg, sorry. Busy with Easter. I'll send it soon
[04:36] <ScottK> LaserJock: Understand.  I'm waiting for the kids to be asleep, then I'll be busy too.
[04:50] <ScottK> bddebian: I uploaded a revised debdiff.  I'm still test building the binary, but at least it's a diff of the correct version now.
[04:57] <LaserJock> ScottK: sent
[04:59] <ScottK> LaserJock: I didn't get it yet, but I use greylisting, so it's no suprise.  I'll keep an eye out for it.
[05:00] <rmjb> I have a question about upstream source
[05:00] <ScottK> !ask
[05:00] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:00] <rmjb> if they only provide it in a .zip file is that ok?
[05:00] <LaserJock> sure, either repack it as a tar.gz or unpack it in rules
[05:02] <rmjb> so i'll just modify the packaging of their source, but not the source, because the zip file also contains one folder called <package>, i.e. without the -<version>
[05:10] <ScottK> bddebian: Looks like the revised debdiff for Bug#104215 is good to go if you have time for another look.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: you around?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: yes
[05:11] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: want to write a couple of sentences on ubuntu women for the UWN?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: not overly.  i'm not terribly involved, tbh.
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ok, just wondering
[05:12] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure i could say something as a representative of the group, hardly being involved
[05:12] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: might, though
[05:12] <Burgundavia> she promised stuff but has not delivered. Isuspect an attack of RL
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:19] <crimsun> Hobbsee: nice work on #104328 :-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that the PEBKAC OMG A COOKIE!!!! bug?
[05:20] <crimsun> yeah
[05:20] <Hobbsee> heh.
[05:29] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think you were remarkably restrained in your response on that bug.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hehe
[05:29] <LaserJock> it's almost gibberish
[05:30] <Hobbsee> indeed
[05:30] <crimsun> I'm not sure how ~/.mozilla/ is incredibly hidden, but maybe I'm just obtuse.
[05:30] <bddebian> ScottK: Building now (had to play Easter bunny) :-)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe
[05:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: but it's a hidden file!  it's very hidden!
[05:31] <ScottK> bddebian: Great.  I'm going to go take care of that (Easter bunny) soon.
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> /usr/lib/share/confusing/lightning/tennis/applesauce/mouse/config/X73ffQ/kernel/critical/system/.you_had_a_bug_you_say?
[05:32] <bddebian> hehe
[05:33] <LaserJock> well, we could always send it to /dev/null
[05:33] <LaserJock> that's kinda hidden
[05:33] <Hobbsee> that'd be nice
[05:45] <ScottK> http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html - The headline is "Microsoft is Dead".
[05:49] <rmjb> ScottK: I skimmed that article... he didn't mention open source... afais
[05:50] <ScottK> No, it was corporate oriented, but interesting none the less.  Google wouldn't be Google without Free Software.
[05:54] <bddebian> Google killed Microsoft? heh
[05:54] <bddebian> I wish I was that kind of dead
[05:55] <bddebian> ScottK: Uploaded
[05:55] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[06:02] <ScottK> LaserJock: Just sent you a reply.  How's that?
[06:08] <rmjb> in bzr it says 'you can use revert to "undelete" a file by name'
[06:09] <rmjb> but when I try I'm getting: bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: docs
[06:10] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:10] <rmjb> g'night bddebian
[06:11] <RAOF> rmjb: Well, bzr revert will only work for things which you've previously "bzr add"ed to your branch.
[06:11] <RAOF> Although, on reflection, your question's probably a bit more sane than I though.
[06:12] <rmjb> yeah I had them in... they're in the diff of the last commit... just can't get it back
[06:12] <rmjb> guess I had to bzr remove before deleting the file??
[06:13] <RAOF> No, I don't think so, from memory.
[06:13] <RAOF> You should be able to just "bzr revert" on its own to get rid of all local changes since your last commit.
[06:14] <rmjb> want to keep those changes, just want back a file I deleted before the last commit...
[06:14] <rmjb> there's not good scenario documentation for bzr I've found
[06:15] <RAOF> Ok, so "bzr revert -r 1 bar" works.
[06:15] <rmjb> not that I've looked extensively, but I've looked
[06:15] <rmjb> r 1 being the revision number
[06:15] <RAOF> Aaaah.
[06:15] <rmjb> ?
[06:15] <RAOF> So, what happens is: "bzr revert bar" works if that's a part of the changes in the working tree.
[06:15] <rmjb> that last line was a question
[06:15] <LaserJock> ScottK: great thanks
[06:15] <RAOF> Oh, yes.  r 1 is a revision.
[06:16] <rmjb> bzr revisions 0 count or start from 1?
[06:16] <RAOF> rmjb: And if you've *committed* the delete of "bar", you need to specify the revision in which bar exists
[06:16] <RAOF> bzr log tells me they start at 1
[06:16] <ScottK> LaserJock: I should have asked before...  Where does that get published?
[06:16] <jdong> rmjb: the first committed revision is 1
[06:16] <LaserJock> ScottK: planet.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <jdong> rmjb: IIRC revision 0 is understood as the Blank Revision (tm)
[06:17] <ScottK> LaserJock: Would you please let me know when it's up.
[06:17] <rmjb> I call the first committed version "Initial versions" :)
[06:18] <rmjb> thanks RAOF it worked
[06:19] <RAOF> NP.
[06:20] <rmjb> there's something afoot with bzr and packaging?
[06:20] <rmjb> will that documentation be out soon?
[06:21] <RAOF> There's bzr-builddeb.  I'll have to look into that
[06:23] <Hobbsee> !bzr
[06:23] <ubotu> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> bah.  w.u.c/BZR is useful
[06:24] <micahcowan> !seen doko
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen doko - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: /msg seenserv help
[06:25] <sharms> ugh
[06:25] <sharms> I hate it when I get "fanboys" so to speak
[06:25] <micahcowan> Huh. Didn't ubotu used to have that feature, at some point?
[06:25] <sharms> it is kind of creepy when you don't know someone and they try to just talk to you forever
[06:25] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: it used to, ages ago
[06:25] <Hobbsee> sharms: make sure you never do ops here.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> it's annoying when they do what you said
[06:26] <Hobbsee> it's creepy when they do that, and try to hit on you.
[06:26] <micahcowan> omg, sharms? Is that you! Oh /wow/! Big, BIG fan! ^_^
[06:26] <sharms> no this guy started pm'ing me, and I made the mistake of responding
[06:26] <sharms> Hobbsee: yeah but atleast you are friendly.  I am a troll
[06:27] <crimsun> enough people hate the sound subsystem that I never have fans :-D
[06:27] <sharms> as to why someone would entertain a conversation with me is beyond me
[06:27] <sharms> crimsun: I am a fan
[06:27] <Hobbsee> sharms: i just ignore people eventually.  
[06:27] <crimsun> crap, better change my nick
[06:27] <sharms> no its ok, I am outside of your house
[06:27] <crimsun> lies, I'm at my office.
[06:27] <sharms> lol
[06:27] <micahcowan> crimsun, as if you had actually /written/ the sound subsystem, not just maintaining it on Ubuntu (I'm assuming, anyway...)
[06:28] <crimsun> micahcowan: if I had written it, it'd be much more poorly written /and/ maintained
[06:28] <Burgundavia> sharms: you might want to lay off on some of your blog posts, they tend towards too trollish at times
[06:28] <micahcowan> Heh, now I'm curious.
[06:28] <sharms> Burgundavia: I appreciate your constructive criticism :)
[06:29] <Burgundavia> sharms: if they cause me to wince, I will let you know
[06:29] <sharms> I have some weird opinions since I am a bit radical when it comes to offending people, and my views on free software licenses
[06:29] <crimsun> myriad opinions are good.
[06:29] <rmjb> is apache1 to be deprecated in feisty? like php4?
[06:30] <jdong> sharms: I usually love your blog posts, but I felt a bit uneasy by your one-liner link to the BCM thing....
[06:30] <crimsun> crimsun@Box:~$ apt-cache madison apache{,2} |grep Sources
[06:30] <crimsun>     apache | 1.3.34-4.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[06:30] <crimsun>    apache2 | 2.2.3-3.2build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[06:30] <crimsun> rmjb: answer your question?
[06:31] <jdong> sharms: you did explain yourself to a slight degree in the comments; would've been more appropriate if you started by making the blog post a paragraph reflection on the incident, adding a bit more insight than just a link :-/
[06:32] <rmjb> crimsun: yes, my real question is, php5 available for apache1? I don't see a libapache-mod-php5
[06:32] <crimsun> rmjb: no binaries currently
[06:32] <sharms> jdong: I could not intelligently compose my argument at that time so I figured I would just link it.  It is all relative though; almost everyone in the Ubuntu community was against my view on that, and everyone in the BSD community was for it
[06:33] <crimsun> rmjb: whether there are sources requires a bit of legwork into the NEW queue (I doubt there are)
[06:33] <rmjb> crimsun: well I guess that means anyone that wants php5 webapps in feisty will *have* to use apache2... no probs I guess
[06:33] <RAOF> Hm.  Is there any way to *unsubscribe* u-u-s to a bug?  A second bug has a new debdiff which fixes both bugs?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you cant.  i can.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> RAOF: bug #?
[06:34] <RAOF> bug #98587
[06:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 98587 in specto "[apport]  specto crashed with NameError in update()" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98587
[06:34] <Hobbsee> or otherwise reject it, so it'll go off the listing
[06:34] <jdong> sharms: That's cool; I'm just saying my first assessment of the post was trying to fuel the flames, and it doesn't seem like I'm alone in that.
[06:34] <Hobbsee> RAOF: and where's the fixable one?
[06:34] <RAOF> (And the new bug #103722)
[06:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 103722 in specto "specto crashes when monitoring file changes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103722
[06:34] <sharms> jdong: gotcha
[06:35] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you're confident this fixes the bugs?
[06:36] <jdong> sharms: thanks for listening to my opinion on it :)
[06:36] <sharms> jdong: The less I bug people the more everyone can focus on bugs
[06:36] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yes.  The first one is trivial, the second one I've tested as thoroughly as I can.
[06:36] <Hobbsee> RAOF: cool.  i'll just upload it, then
[06:37] <jdong> sharms: haha, that's a good thing then :D
[06:37] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Ta muchly
[06:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: error.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[06:40] <Hobbsee> please update the diff
[06:41] <Hobbsee> (debdiff)
[06:41] <jdong> ah, everyone's favorite :)
[06:41] <RAOF> Argh!  Why has it been building locally then :(.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you've got a script fixing it?
[06:42] <RAOF> None that I've made myself.  Unless devscripts has one that automatically gets run, or something.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> motutools does
[06:42] <Hobbsee> didnt think devscripts did
[06:42] <RAOF> Hm.  rm'ing a mono tree takes some time.
[06:43] <RAOF> Ok, I can't even *see* a motutools package :)
[06:43] <ScottK> RAOF: You didn't happen to build the source package on an Edgy box did you?
[06:43] <RAOF> Nope
[06:43] <RAOF> Feisty box, and a feisty pbuilder
[06:43] <ScottK> Hmmm.  If they're current, it should have caught that one.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's not in ubuntu :P
[06:46] <Hobbsee> and if amd64 for a package doesnt build, why not use arch all without amd64 (whatever the syntax is)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supercollider/+bug/32460
[06:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 32460 in supercollider "Please remove stale AMD64 supercollider binaries." [Medium,Confirmed]  
[06:48] <jdong> Hobbsee: I think it's a soyuz bug that the only removal that can be done is a total source+bin removal
[06:50] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Attach a fixed debdiff to the bug again?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> jdong: true, but every time that the source is built, it attempts to build an amd64 version, which is silly
[06:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yep
[06:52] <rmjb> g'night everyone
[06:53] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I looked at the control file for supercollider and it looked to my untrained eye like some of the binary packages were still for all architectures.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's what i would have thought.  i'm wondering why
[06:53] <RAOF> I suppose the "control contains no Original-Maintainer field" warning can be ignored, as there *is* no original maintainer.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> true
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but the later error cant
[06:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:54] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: You need to talk to an archive admin about getting Packages-arch-specific or similar updated, to exclude amd64 for that...
[06:55] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It seems to me that the premise of that bug "This binary has not been built from the source (by direction from debian/control) since..." is incorrect.  It's only true for some of the binary packages.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i thought you could specify which arches to build in the control
[06:55] <Hobbsee> but that would stop it's autosync from debian
[06:55] <Fujitsu> I don't believe you're meant to.
[06:55] <ScottK> Time for me to go play Easter bunny and go to bed.  Good night all.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Night ScottK.
[06:56] <RAOF> Hobbsee: New debdiff uploaded
[06:59] <Hobbsee> RAOF: done
[06:59] <RAOF> Yay!
[06:59] <Hobbsee> yay, less bugs for u-u-s
[07:00] <RAOF> Thinking of maintaining packages in Debian, a bunch of the motu are DD's as well, right?
[07:00] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[07:00] <RAOF> What do you use to actually *test* your packages?  A Sid chroot?  A full Sid install?
[07:01] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i said to go to pleia2 in my email
[07:02] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: hmm, ah
[07:02] <Hobbsee> RAOF: either.  both.
[07:03] <RAOF> But you maintain upstream packages?  I suppose my question is really: "is a Sid chroot enough to properly test packages?"
[07:03] <Fujitsu> I maintain one package.
[07:03] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, keep in mind this is easter weekend, so people are not necessarily available. i myself have hardly touched my pc the past 3 days
[07:04] <Fujitsu> I generally try it in a chroot, but I have a VM of sid too.
[07:04] <RAOF> I suppose I could check out how to get KVM running on this C2D :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> ScottK: ok, well it's published, will probably take a few minutes to hit planet
[08:20] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yay, another round of Behind MOTU!
[08:21] <joejaxx> lol
[08:25] <crimsun> hey, when is ajmitch going to appear on B.M.? :-)
[08:26] <joejaxx> what is bm?
[08:26] <crimsun> see the line directly above your "lol"
[08:26] <joejaxx> ohh lol
[08:26] <joejaxx> :)
[08:30] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: pah, RL
[08:31] <crimsun> yeah, I much prefer the alternate reality of Launchpad and angry users
[08:36] <LaserJock> crimsun: don't worry, I'll get to him ... and you
[08:37] <crimsun> crap, better run away then.
[08:37] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:38] <LaserJock> they aren't that bad
[08:41] <joejaxx> what does the versioning for a backport look like?
[08:43] <LaserJock> I think it usually has a ~<release> in it
[08:43] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:43] <LaserJock> like 1.2-3ubuntu4~edgy5 or something like that
[08:43] <joejaxx> ah
[08:43] <LaserJock> i could be totally wrong though
[08:44] <RAOF> No, that's the versioning scheme on the backports I've seen.
[08:55] <crimsun> ajmitch: how do you feel about syncing libipoddevice and ipod-sharp from Debian experimental (part of the stack for a Banshee 0.12.1 merge)?
[09:04] <LaserJock> ?
[09:04] <RAOF> Not that I'm against dusting off jawbones.
[09:04] <RAOF> But I'm with LaserJock here.  What? :)
[09:05] <crimsun> IRC is the great age equaliser ;-)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: about the spec @ S/MIME support for kmail out of the box - if you figure otu what it requires, etc, email me
[09:05] <LaserJock> I'm the sweeper dude in my house
[09:06] <LaserJock> but yeah, I need to interview some young'ins next time or people will think we are just a bunch of old farts
[09:07] <crimsun> william seems as good a candidate ;-)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: heh.  that's....odd...
[09:09] <RAOF> The first set of papers I marked, I followed the marking scheme, which said "2 marks".  However, the test itself says 3 marks :(
[09:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:10] <RAOF> I had to go back and... I just don't know how to award a mark between 1 and 3 :(
[09:10] <jussi01> morning motu's!
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01!
[09:11] <Hobbsee> RAOF: fixed democracyplayer yet?
[09:11] <joejaxx> lol
[09:11] <RAOF> Hobbsee: :P
[09:12] <crimsun> is that a shiny new laptop on my feet?
[09:12] <Hobbsee> no.  it's an echidna.
[09:12] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[09:12] <crimsun> oh crap, it has HDA.
[09:12] <jussi01> echidna...lol
[09:12] <RAOF> Last time I checked, fixing the dbus problem merely exposed a problem with their python extension modules.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> is ti worth fixing that much?
[09:13] <crimsun> RAOF's definitely in the limelight; he's listed on Banshee's contributors.
[09:13] <RAOF> *I* don't use it.
[09:13] <Fujitsu> I'm almost not stupidly young!
[09:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: heh
[09:13] <RAOF> Yeah, that was a very simple patch.  I like cdparanoia :)
[09:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I only started touching democracyplayer because I thought that dbus error should be trivial to fix :(
[09:14] <Hobbsee> awww
[09:14] <RAOF> Well, that and all the bugs were obviously duplicates. :)
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:15] <crimsun> do we need a new checkout from upstream to fix them [if they're fixed upstream] ?
[09:15] <crimsun> quite a few people seem to try to use it
[09:15] <RAOF> I think upstream *may* have fixed it.
[09:15] <jussi01> bug 102675 anyone know if it will be fixed for release?
[09:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102675
[09:16] <Fujitsu> I'd certainly hope so.
[09:16] <jussi01> so would i... :D
[09:16] <RAOF> Aaah, of course.  Why *should* there be a version between 0.9.2 and 0.9.5 :(
[09:16] <ajmitch> crimsun: I'm fine with banshee stuff
[09:16] <Fujitsu> It isn't milestoned, strangely.
[09:17] <crimsun> ajmitch: ok, shall I file UVF exception requests for those three source packages (incl. banshee), or will your ACK and mine here on IRC suffice?
[09:18] <crimsun> ignore that, I'm a dufus.
[09:18] <crimsun> (the former two need UVFes anyhow because of syncs)
[09:21] <ajmitch> besides, slomo is the maintainer in debian, so I know they should work ok on feisty
[09:22] <crimsun> precisely
[09:29] <jussi01> are there any ops in here... I want my factoid changed dammit!!! :P
[09:29] <joejaxx> jussi01: no that is #ubuntu-ops
[09:29] <joejaxx> :P
[09:29] <jussi01> ok...thanks joejaxx 
[09:30] <joejaxx> you are most welcome :)
[09:32] <ajmitch> crimsun: do what you wish, I'm fine with ACK by IRC
[09:43] <LaserJock> crimsun, ajmitch: what do you guys think of turning MOTU Mentors into a mailing list?
[09:43] <crimsun> I'm fine with that
[09:43] <micahcowan> what is it now?
[09:44] <micahcowan> Oh, the "sign up for a mentor" thing?
[09:44] <crimsun> OTOH, does it really lower the bar for increased community involvement?
[09:44] <LaserJock> no
[09:44] <LaserJock> I'm just thinking it might be a better place to encourage learning
[09:45] <jussi01> could someone remind me how to install pbuilder correctly?? I just reinstalled and need to get everthing working again...
[09:45] <crimsun> jussi01: ``aptitude install pbuilder''?
[09:45] <crimsun> LaserJock: it seems like a viable venue, certainly
[09:45] <jussi01> crimsun, isnt there more extra config than that?
[09:45] <LaserJock> I was thinking a MOTU School/MOTU Mentors ML combo might be good
[09:46] <LaserJock> it just seems like people aren't asking packaging questions on ubuntu-motu
[09:46] <LaserJock> jussi01: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-ubuntu
[09:46] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder | jussi01 
[09:46] <ubotu> jussi01: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[09:47] <crimsun> LaserJock: not very much, no. Will creating an extra mailing assuage that?
[09:47] <jussi01> LaserJock, thank you!!!!!
[09:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what's OTOH?  
[09:47] <crimsun> on the other hand
[09:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: I think it might if it's understood that that is the place to ask packaging questions
[09:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh
[09:48] <LaserJock> I'm assuming that a lot of people just think they'll get flamed or something -devel'ish
[09:48] <LaserJock> jussi01: you need to put that in your path somewhere and rename it pbuilder-feisty or whatever
[09:49] <jussi01> ok, what exactly does it do?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> the school seemed good
[09:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a list is fine by me
[09:49] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: +1 at the lack of packaging questions on -motu ML
[09:50] <LaserJock> jussi01: it's just a script that runs pbuilder. You can copy it to pbuilder-<release> to have multiple pbuilders
[09:50] <jussi01> LaserJock, when I first started coming here I didnt want to ask cause I was scared I would sound *really* stupid...now I know I do...:P
[09:50] <LaserJock> well, it's ok to sound stupid I guess, as long as you're trying
[09:51] <ajmitch> I manage to sound stupid 95%+ of the time
[09:51] <ajmitch> so don't feel like you're alone
[09:51] <LaserJock> I'm certain that I sounded like I wasn't the brightest crayon in the box ;-)
[09:51] <crimsun> that is, "trying to learn", not "trying to sound stupid" :-)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you're pretty much OK as long as you're actually willing to do some work, not expecting to get spoonfed all the time (which you dont, dont worry), and not coming in here just to go "when will you put $mypetapp in the repos, and fix $mypetbug OMG I REPORTED IT A MONTH AGO, AND IT'S STILL NOT FIXED!!!  UBUNTU SUX@@@!!!!eleventyone!!!
[09:51] <LaserJock> yes, sorry 
[09:52] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: LOl
[09:52] <LaserJock> but the -motu traffic is certainly not representitive of what goes on here
[09:52] <Hobbsee> some people dont seem to get that wand waving doesnt work here...
[09:52] <ajmitch> joejaxx: that's sadly only a minor embellishment on reality
[09:52] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: i've seen a whole group in here, in the past week, doing that
[09:52] <LaserJock> or of the number of packages we're responsible for
[09:52] <PF-Away> omg, why isn't bug #1 fixed???eleventyone UBUNTUSUX
[09:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:52] <joejaxx> ajmitch: Hobbsee wow :\
[09:53] <jussi01> Hobbsee, yeah, I know what you mean, its funny cause I feel stupid when someone tells me something and Im like huh? what? I still dont understand... where do I put that command?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> jussi01: but you're still trying, adn we can see that.  rather htan just trolling
[09:53] <jussi01> :)
[09:54] <ajmitch> whereas I just merrily troll :)
[09:55] <jussi01> btw, I need a "how to" for chroot in feisty - I tried to follow a dapper one but i got all confused. 
[09:55] <minghua> ajmitch: still better than bitterly trolling, I suppose :-)
[09:55] <joejaxx> jussi01: you want to create a chroot?
[09:55] <ajmitch> minghua: oh I can do bitter if you want
[09:56] <ajmitch> I've had *lots* of practice
[09:56] <LaserJock> bitter is ajmitch's middle name
[09:56] <jussi01> joejaxx, yeah... so I dont screw up my system again...
[09:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yep
[09:56] <minghua> wouldn't that make him abmitch?
[09:56] <joejaxx> jussi01: here is the basic syntax
[09:57] <joejaxx> sudo deboostrap <release> /path/to/put/chroot
[09:57] <joejaxx> so if you wanted a feisty chroot
[09:57] <joejaxx> sudo debootstrap feisty /home/joejaxx/feisty
[09:58] <LaserJock> minghua: darn it, when I read that my mind just transposed the "b" and "m". that's no good
[09:58] <joejaxx> then you want to mount the important stuff
[09:58] <joejaxx> sudo mount -t proc none ~/feisty/rpco
[09:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: bad
[09:58] <joejaxx> sudo mount -t proc none ~/feisty/prof
[09:58] <joejaxx> bah
[09:58] <PF-Away> proc
[09:58] <joejaxx> sudo mount -t proc none ~/feisty/proc
[09:58] <PF-Away> :D
[09:59] <jussi01> :)
[09:59] <joejaxx> sudo mount -t sysfs none ~/feisty/sys
[09:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I know :(
[09:59] <joejaxx> sudo mount -t devpts none ~/feisty/dev/pts
[10:00] <minghua> LaserJock: don't read too fast :-P
[10:01] <jussi01> joejaxx, thats all?
[10:02] <joejaxx> jussi01: then the finally command to enter the chroot is
[10:03] <joejaxx> sudo chroot ~/feisty
[10:03] <jussi01> joejaxx, thank you very much!!!!!!!
[10:03] <joejaxx> jussi01: oh btw
[10:03] <jussi01> joejaxx, yea?
[10:03] <joejaxx> jussi01: once you are in the chroot you probably want to do
[10:04] <joejaxx> export HOME=/root
[10:04] <joejaxx> and
[10:04] <joejaxx> export LC_ALL=C
[10:04] <joejaxx> it will save you trouble later :P
[10:04] <joejaxx> jussi01: you are most welcome :)
[10:04] <jussi01> thanks
[10:05] <joejaxx> :)
[10:05] <jussi01> anyway, got to go, thanks again motu's talk later. 
[10:05] <joejaxx> alright
[10:06] <geser> jussi01: you might want to look at schroot which helps you with starting your chroot (mounting the necessary parts, etc.)
[10:07] <jussi01> geser, do I have to do those commands everytime I want to use it?
[10:08] <joejaxx> i would love to have a System z9 mainframe
[10:08] <joejaxx> that would be great
[10:08] <DarkMageZ> where would be the best place to talk about the kde4 packages?
[10:09] <elkbuntu> new launchpad is mean.. i cant see where to submit specs for the UDS :(
[10:09] <geser> jussi01: if you keep the parts mounted after you leave the chroot, you only need to do it once
[10:09] <geser> schroot mounts it for you and unmount it after use
[10:10] <jussi01> geser, is there a reson I should unmount them? also what about after a restart, I asume they dont automatically mount...
[10:11] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: you are right
[10:11] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: i cannot see where to add them either
[10:11] <DarkMageZ> Fujitsu, why exactly would that happen?
[10:11] <PF-Away> DarkMageZ: in the future
[10:11] <elkbuntu> joejaxx, was i hallucinating, or was it possible with old launchpad?
[10:12] <geser> jussi01: there is no reason besides keeping the mount output clear, and you need to do the mounts after a reboot or you put them in /etc/fstab
[10:12] <DarkMageZ> PF-Away, hmm, there are new packages available in universe for kde4 test release.
[10:12] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: it was definitely possible
[10:12] <elkbuntu> joejaxx, ok... maybe they added a 'shutoff' option? :(
[10:12] <Fujitsu> elkbuntu: Is there a `Propose for sprint' link in the actions portlet of the spec? That's where I'd expect to do it.
[10:12] <jussi01> geser, ok, can you tell me how to set up this schroot thing?
[10:13] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, no
[10:13] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: i do not know but this is weird
[10:13] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, that's where i looked, and i've examinated all pages linked there for any way, but no
[10:13] <geser> jussi01: you created your chroot with debootstrap?
[10:13] <LaserJock> elkbuntu: I think there might be a bug report about that but i'm not certain
[10:13] <jussi01> yeah, as joejaxx said
[10:15] <geser> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14547/ is my schroot.conf (without the comments)
[10:17] <geser> I can change with "schroot -p" into my chroot I use for package building or with "schroot -p -c ubuntu-i386" into the chroot with firefox in 32bit and flash
[10:17] <jussi01> geser, ok, except for the user, I could use that, is that correct?
[10:17] <geser> yes, and the path to your chroot (location)
[10:18] <jussi01> and where does the schroot.conf hide...
[10:18] <LaserJock> in /etc/shchroot/ I think
[10:20] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, cant find such a bug
[10:20] <LaserJock> s/shchroot/schroot/
[10:20] <imbrandon> ello all
[10:20] <LaserJock> elkbuntu: hmm, better report it then :-)
[10:20] <LaserJock> imbrandon!!!
[10:20] <jussi01> hmm.. I dont seem to have that...
[10:20] <imbrandon> LaserJock!!
[10:20] <LaserJock> jussi01: did you install schroot?
[10:20] <elkbuntu> LaserJock, how do we know they just didnt disable it?
[10:21] <LaserJock> why in the world would the disable specs?
[10:21] <imbrandon> mmmm pidgin, what a name
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah, odd
[10:21] <joejaxx> that might be the case
[10:21] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah that is what i thought
[10:21] <LaserJock> I seriously doubt they disabled specs, especially now
[10:21] <elkbuntu> it's an appropriate name
[10:22] <LaserJock> really? I wouldn't think so
[10:22] <LaserJock> can they go back in time and rename already released stuff?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> I would think that we should change it...
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Pidgin does fit well, if you look up the meaning.
[10:23] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, yep
[10:23] <elkbuntu> on both counts
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Ideally we'd get 2.0 final, although I find that very unlikely this close to release.
[10:24] <imbrandon> LaserJock, not really, but with AOL leagl woes it might be good for us to change it too
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Very, very unlikely.
[10:24] <imbrandon> right
[10:24] <imbrandon> i see that as much more sane than the whole ice*
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, but, we do have to go through 6 months of 'why is it still called gaim? it's supposed to be pidgin now'
[10:25] <crimsun> then again, seb would probably touch it. And it's part of desktop. And seb's on the archive team. ;-)
[10:25] <imbrandon> elkbuntu, 18 months
[10:25] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, i was thinking in terms of until the next release
[10:25] <imbrandon> :)
[10:25] <imbrandon> crimsun!!
[10:25] <elkbuntu> once the next release comes out with it as pidgin, people would get oover it pretty quick
[10:25] <crimsun> brandon!
[10:26] <Fujitsu> crimsun: You are using real names a bit these days!
[10:26] <crimsun> it's a ploy, someone has stolen the real crimsun.
[10:27] <imbrandon> crimsun, think seb is the one to touch it mostly? i was just looking at what all it would take to rename the libs etc, i dunno what other IM's would have to be rebuilt that use it, i know btlbee uses the libs right off not sure what else
[10:27] <LaserJock> sounds like an awefully bad idea this close to release
[10:28] <crimsun> I'm pretty comfortable with the status quo for gaim
[10:28] <Fujitsu> Maybe if it were a couple of weeks earlier, but not now.
[10:28] <crimsun> [for feisty] 
[10:29] <imbrandon> LaserJock, true, it is very very close to be s/libpurple/libgaim + rcs snapshots
[10:29] <LaserJock> "Ubuntu maintainers, do you check anything what is submitted??!?!?!"
[10:29] <LaserJock> :(
[10:29] <imbrandon> where is that from ?
[10:29] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Lexical parsing failed.
[10:29] <LaserJock> a bug report
[10:30] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Which?
[10:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, we just vomit up packages into the archive
[10:30] <PF-Away> LaserJock: sounded like a jolly good fella
[10:30] <LaserJock> the Debian TeX maintainer triaging our bugs again :(
[10:30] <ajmitch> ah, exciting
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[10:30] <LaserJock> it really stinks
[10:30] <LaserJock> he's right
[10:30] <ajmitch> yes, we should just remove all his packages from ubuntu
[10:30] <crimsun> or we could convince the sabdfl to bring him on board to maintain 'em. Hmm...
[10:31] <LaserJock> it'd almost be worth it ... almost
[10:31] <ajmitch> hah
[10:31] <imbrandon> heh
[10:31] <ajmitch> good luck there
[10:31] <LaserJock> it's pretty sad for Main packages
[10:31] <LaserJock> we've had RC bugs sitting there for months before
[10:31] <ajmitch> that's one reason I tried doing that RC bugs list
[10:32] <ajmitch> so that we wouldn't have quite as many problems with universe
[10:32] <ajmitch> however there's still a large pile
[10:32] <LaserJock> fixed in Debian, and Dapper didn't get the fix because nobody paid attention
[10:33] <imbrandon> for all the good thinga about large group maintainership like MOTU thats one of the downfalls "i dunt wanna touch it"
[10:33] <stgraber> morning
[10:33] <Fujitsu> I'd think that LP should have something to deal with that sort of thing.
[10:34] <Fujitsu> TeX shouldn't be our problem... but nobody wants to touch it anyway.
[10:35] <crimsun> I'd love to touch TeX - if so I think I'd better find someone else to pick up the slack on alsa*.
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, the problem isn't that TeX itself is necessarily the problem
[10:36] <LaserJock> we are just doing an aweful just of keeping in sync with Debian
[10:36] <LaserJock> s/just/job/
[10:36] <LaserJock> all they are asking for is if they do RC fixes that we pick them up
[10:37] <LaserJock> I'm looking at bugs that are several months old with not so much as 1 response
[10:37] <Fujitsu> ajmitch's list should help that.
[10:37] <LaserJock> they are Main packages
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Especially if a comments field is thrown in.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Well, ajmitch's list for main packages.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Which doesn't exist, but could easily I'm sure.
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Having a mailing list of RC bugs being fixed in Debian might be nice, but the list is pretty good.
[10:38] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sure, fairly trivial to change for main
[10:39] <jussi01> hi motu's...again. bug 67429 is fixed, can we clear it from the list?
[10:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 67429 in mrename "mrename breaks due to wrong shebang" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67429
[10:39] <LaserJock> well, it might help, but the fact remains that nobody wants to touch TeX
[10:39] <ajmitch> & yes, I really was going to do a comments field, one day
[10:39] <Fujitsu> jussi01: That's not fixed.
[10:40] <jussi01> Fujitsu, it says fix uploaded in the comments...
[10:40] <Amaranth> ooh, yay
[10:40] <Amaranth> i just remembered GNOME point releases get an automatic UVFe
[10:40] <Fujitsu> jussi01: But it's not yet closed.
[10:40] <jussi01> oh..
[10:40] <Amaranth> so i can fix a couple alacarte bugs today without hassle
[10:43] <sacater> morning everyone
[10:43] <imbrandon> ello ScottK 
[10:43] <imbrandon> err sacater 
[10:44] <sacater> :(
[10:47] <jussi01> grrr, Im trying to find a bug to fix thats within what I can do. but all of the ones i think i might be able to do already have debdiffs attached...
[10:47] <jussi01> maybe its time to learn something new..
[10:51] <crimsun> yay, wxwindows2.4 looks like a sync.
[10:52] <crimsun> strike one more from the RC list
[10:52] <imbrandon> :)
[10:52] <crimsun> hmm, I seem to have missed supper altogether
[10:52] <imbrandon> not good, infact its time for me some food too
[10:52] <RAOF_> I *use* texmacs, I should really look at that what I can do to help the sync request on.
[10:53] <imbrandon> brb
[11:00] <LaserJock> oh, btw, I think I'm going to do a "MOTU Launchpad needs" spec for UDS
[11:01] <Hobbsee> RAOF_: where are you?
[11:01] <LaserJock> I'll probably need to get lots of good feedback before I go
[11:01] <jekil> hello
[11:01] <Hobbsee> australia, obviously
[11:01] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: geeze, even *I* figured that one out ;-)
[11:01] <RAOF_> Hobbsee: You mean, geographically?  Sydney.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: indeed.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> RAOF_: where abouts?
[11:02] <RAOF_> I roam between Rose Bay and UNSW.
[11:02] <crimsun> she'll come and poke you with a stick of doom.
[11:02] <RAOF_> :)
[11:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF_: were you at LCA then?
[11:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee, where are you?
[11:03] <RAOF_> No, I was busy PhDing
[11:03] <RAOF_> I should've been.  :(
[11:03] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sydney as well
[11:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF_: ahh.  pity you didnt come to the open day and/or i didnt meet you
[11:03] <jussi01> Hobbsee, Im in finland, but I was born and raised in oz...
[11:04] <RAOF_> Yeah, I was feeling rather needing to work, work, work on that day.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> jussi01: ahhh
[11:04] <RAOF_> Amazingly, English *is* my first language :(
[11:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:04] <Hobbsee> yes, but irc seems to be an excuse to be lazy
[11:04] <jussi01> i moved to finland because...well "the woman made me do it"!!!
[11:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:04] <Hobbsee> blame the woman.  it's always the woman's fault
[11:05] <LaserJock> it is ;-)
[11:05] <jussi01> :P well she is finnish...
[11:05] <LaserJock> they have us wrapped around their little fingers
[11:06] <Hobbsee> yup.  it's great
[11:06] <LaserJock> "resistence is futile"
[11:06] <jussi01> lol
[11:06] <crimsun> yes, my little lady sure has me wrapped around her finger.
[11:06] <crimsun> blasted HDA. :(
[11:07] <jussi01> lol
[11:07] <jussi01> crimsun, what model is she :P
[11:07] <jussi01> ?
[11:07] <LaserJock> crimsun: at least mine goes to sleep at night
[11:07] <jussi01> heheh
[11:07] <crimsun> LaserJock: mine does, too, but sometimes she doesn't resume.
[11:08] <LaserJock> crimsun: that would be a problem for mine :(
[11:20] <imbrandon> so will etch actualy make it out the door today ?
[11:20] <crimsun> very, very soon.
[11:21] <imbrandon> cool
[11:49] <imbrandon> so is etch released but not published or .... seems a bit confusing
[11:51] <Fujitsu> Not released yet.
[11:55] <LaserJock> hmm, so in Debian's BTS if I'm filing a bug can Package: be either binary or source package?
[12:01] <LaserJock> and the anser is yes
[12:01] <LaserJock> *answer
[12:02] <LaserJock> oh crap, it's 3am
[12:03] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[12:04] <LaserJock> ok, well I went through the 11 tetex-base bugs
[12:04] <LaserJock> and closed/rejected 3 and forwarded 1
[12:06] <imbrandon> grr
[12:06] <imbrandon> damn 100/1000 NIC isnt working
[12:07] <imbrandon> well not in 1000 mode
[12:08] <LaserJock> argg, how do I add a bugwatch?
[12:09] <imbrandon> not sure, i need to get down and dirty and learn their bts better
[12:09] <crimsun> more context, please.
[12:09] <imbrandon> i just hate email
[12:09] <crimsun> Do you want to add a Debian BTS entry to a Launchpad bug report?
[12:09] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:10] <LaserJock> I have a debian bug #, I need to add  bugwatch for it in LP
[12:10] <crimsun> Also affects: Distribution
[12:10] <crimsun> in the text drop-down, choose Debian
[12:11] <crimsun> then paste the URL for the Debian BTS entry in the URL text entry field
[12:12] <Laser_away> good night
[12:12] <Laser_away> thanks crimsun 
[12:12] <crimsun> np
[12:13] <imbrandon> bbiab , offline to get this darn 1000 mode working 
[12:13] <crimsun> I should eat breakfast, since apparently I skipped all six meals over the past two days
[12:13] <crimsun> stupid work
[12:14] <Fujitsu> crimsun: EAT!
[12:17] <sacater> crimsun: if thats true im amazed you CAN work :P
[12:20] <ivoks> crimsun: take a break
[12:22] <sacater> yeah
[12:22] <sacater> ther are other motus
[12:22] <sacater> :D
[12:39] <siretart> imbrandon: the images still need to propagate to their mirrors. the release team is asking not to download them yet
[12:43] <Fujitsu> siretart: Where's this being discussed? I've seen very little talk of anything on #debian-devel.
[12:53] <geser> Fujitsu: #debian.de has something about it in the topic
[01:35] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Right, democracyplayer is officially a lost cause.
[01:36] <RAOF> By pulling in the latest upstream version, and applying a patch to that, you can get it to show a window, then segfault.
[01:36] <RAOF> It seems that to get it to work right, we'll need to pull in a new version of pyrex, too.
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Shall we get rid of democracyplayer, then?
[01:38] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:38] <RAOF> It absolutely fails to work, at all.
[01:39] <Fujitsu> Sounds ideal.
[01:40] <RAOF> *I* don't use it, so it's no loss to me.  Except that the work I've put into it will be wasted :)
[01:42] <geser> we definitely shouldn't ship a software with a bug with over 60 dupes
[01:48] <Fujitsu> We're not going to lose anything by removing it.
[01:48] <Fujitsu> (other than 5 bugs)
[01:48] <ivoks> Democracy. The only video player you need. - this doesn't sound like democracy :D
[01:49] <sacater> yeah
[01:49] <sacater> too true
[01:49] <sacater> should be Democracy. Use it if you wisg
[01:49] <sacater> wish*}
[01:52] <Monk-e> jussi01, boo.
[01:53] <Monk-e> Uh sorry, wrong channel...
[01:55] <Monk-e> Hm, suppose a program is packaged in universe. And later it's being packaged into debian and merged to Ubuntu. What happens to the universe package?
[01:56] <Adri2000> it is replaced by the debian one
[01:57] <Monk-e> And the maintainer of the universe package gets yanked?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> raough.
[01:58] <sacater> erm, whats the command to find out which freenode staffers are online
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sacater: /stats p
[01:58] <sacater> thank you hobbsee of doom-stick :D
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: sorry?  if it's a merge, it's taking the best of the ubuntu and debian packages
[01:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: that's a sync
[01:58] <sacater> no staffers online :(
[01:59] <Adri2000> yes, it's either merged or synced
[01:59] <Hobbsee> argh.  that was supposed to be raof:  ugh.
[01:59] <Monk-e> Hobbsee, then perhaps I meant a sync.
[01:59] <sacater> i seek a shiny ubuntu cloak..
[01:59] <Monk-e> Either way, what happens to the package maintainer?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: the package maintainer for ubuntu does the merge.  or is inactive
[02:00] <Monk-e> Ok, that's what I wanted to know thanks. :D
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Or they're the maintainer in Debian too.
[02:01] <Monk-e> So in that sense it would be smarter to get a package into Debian first..
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: for a merge.  for a sync, they just get replaced
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:03] <Monk-e> Hobbsee, can one package for debian with the scripts in ubuntu?
[02:03] <sacater> grr, i wish more people would mark their bugs as bitesize
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: i think your'e missing some words
[02:03] <Monk-e> Hobbsee, maybe.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> sacater: work on the unmet deps bugs, if you like
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: oh wait, no you're not.  um, sort of.  there are a few that are ubuntu specific
[02:04] <Hobbsee> like, devscripts has some ubuntu specific stuff, and some stuff common to debian/ubuntu
[02:04] <Monk-e> I see.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> white: poke.  recruit for you
[02:04] <Monk-e> Thanks anyway. :)
[02:04] <sacater> Hobbsee: got a link for me
[02:04] <Hobbsee> !utnubu
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utnubu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <Monk-e> lol
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: there's a group with that name.   goolge it, and check them out
[02:05] <Monk-e> utnubu?
[02:05] <Nafallo> gajim is Ubuntu specific in the case of not wanting Debian packaging :-)
[02:05] <Nafallo> mplayer aswell
[02:05] <Hobbsee> sacater: apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package
[02:05] <sacater> ok
[02:05] <sacater> thanks
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: yes.  ubuntu backwards
[02:05] <Hobbsee> sacater: no problem
[02:06] <Monk-e> Hobbsee, thanks.
[02:06] <sacater> Hobbsee: it will download them all?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> sacater: no.  try it
[02:06] <sacater> meh
[02:06] <sacater> ok
[02:06] <Hobbsee> try it without the grep too, if you like
[02:06] <sacater> make a new folder for it?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> that'll show you why it's failing, not just what is failing
[02:06] <Hobbsee> then you can try install, figure out where the problem is, fix it.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> would help, yeah
[02:07] <sacater> gr
[02:07] <sacater> dependencies
[02:07] <sacater> or dependencys
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:07] <sacater> ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> depedencies..., i think
[02:07] <sacater> k
[02:07] <sacater> gah
[02:07] <sacater> :D
[02:08] <sacater> holy
[02:08] <sacater> are all those packages on my machine?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:09] <Hobbsee> they're packages from everything in your sources list
[02:09] <sacater> ah
[02:09] <sacater> well thats a lot of packages
[02:09] <sacater> oh
[02:09] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ apt-cache unmet -i | grep Package | wc -l
[02:09] <sacater> do i remove the dependancies or what?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> 87
[02:09] <Hobbsee> fix them
[02:10] <Hobbsee> often tehy're old, or foo3 has moved to foo4 or whatever
[02:10] <Hobbsee> which has happened with mysqlsomethingorother before
[02:10] <sacater> ive got 103
[02:10] <geser> sacater: there should be a bug open for every unmet deps
[02:10] <Monk-e> Hobbsee, the utnubu thing. Seems dead. Last update was november last year. Also www.utnubu.org now points to www.ubuntu.com
[02:10] <geser> you might want to look there too
[02:10] <Hobbsee> sacater: wonder if you've got extra repos there or something.  oh well
[02:10] <sacater> geser: k
[02:11] <sacater> i have
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Monk-e: ahh.  white's pretty active, he's a debian dev
[02:11] <Monk-e> Ah wait yes.
[02:12] <sacater> im gonna try..
[02:12] <sacater> tikiwiki
[02:12] <sacater> unmet x 2
[02:12] <Hobbsee> argh.  that's a php4 thing
[02:12] <Hobbsee> that'll either work with php5, or die.
[02:12] <sacater> hmm
[02:12] <Hobbsee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:12] <Hobbsee>   tikiwiki: Depends: php4 (>= 4.1.0) but it is not installable
[02:12] <Hobbsee>             Depends: php4-mysql but it is not installable or
[02:12] <Hobbsee>                      php4-pgsql but it is not installable
[02:12] <Hobbsee>             Depends: libphp-phplayersmenu but it is not going to be installed
[02:13] <Hobbsee> E: Broken packages
[02:13] <geser> half the unmet deps we have are php4 related
[02:13] <sacater> now what do i do, remove those deps from the packages dependancie list, or add them?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> sacater: php4 got removed in feisty
[02:13] <geser> sacater: replace the php4 deps with the php5 equivalents and test if the package still works
[02:13] <sacater> ok
[02:13] <sacater> so remove a dep, then add one
[02:13] <sacater> simple enough
[02:14] <sacater> apt-get source tikiwiki
[02:15] <Adri2000> what are the tags for a .desktop file bug?
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: desktop-file
[02:15] <sacater> Adri2000: i just search .desktop
[02:16] <sacater> or 'no .desktop'
[02:16] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: and packaging bitesize too?
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Not packaging.
[02:16] <Adri2000> ok
[02:20] <sacater> Hobbsee: this is one of the dependancies
[02:20] <sacater> php4 (>= 4.1.0)
[02:20] <sacater> how do i find the latest version
[02:20] <sacater> of php5
[02:20] <Hobbsee> just say it's php5, i dont think you need to version that
[02:21] <sacater> ok
[02:21] <sacater> ill try
[02:21] <geser> only add a version if you know that you need a specific version
[02:22] <sacater> Depends: dbconfig-common, apache2 | httpd, php5, php-pear | php4-pear, php-date, php-db, php-http, php-http-request, php-net-socket, php-mail, php-xml-parser, php4-mysql | php4-pgsql, smarty (>= 2.6.7), libphp-adodb (>= 4.61), libphp-phplayersmenu
[02:22] <sacater> sigh
[02:22] <sacater> got a few more to go
[02:27] <sacater> guys, how do i change my email address in my gpg key
[02:28] <geser> you can't, add a new uid and revoke the old
[02:30] <sacater> geser: how?
[02:30] <sacater> i have no clue..
[02:34] <geser> sacater: gpg --edit-key yourkey
[02:34] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:35] <geser> sacater: with adduid you can add a new one
[02:35] <sacater> geser: na, i just want to change the email of this one.. know the command?
[02:36] <Fujitsu> sacater: You must create a new one.
[02:36] <geser> you can't, the keyservers don't allow to change something, they only merge new key data
[02:36] <sacater> ah
[02:36] <sacater> damnit
[02:36] <white> any etch party in melbourne?
[02:36] <sacater> new key it is
[02:36] <Fujitsu> white: Not as far as I know.
[02:36] <sacater> new key command?
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Good to see it has propagated to most mirrors :)
[02:36] <Fujitsu> sacater: Why not just a new UID?
[02:37] <sacater> erm
[02:37] <sacater> how
[02:37] <geser> sacater: not necessarily, you can mark your old uid with revuid as non-use and add a new one
[02:37] <Fujitsu> adduid, as geser said.
[02:37] <sacater> ...
[02:37] <white> Fujitsu: make one happen ;)
[02:37] <sacater> ...
[02:37] <sacater> youre losing me..
[02:37] <Fujitsu> sacater: A key has one or more UIDs.
[02:37] <geser> sacater: gpg --edit-key yourkey
[02:37] <sacater> yeh
[02:37] <Fujitsu> UIDs have the name and email address.
[02:37] <sacater> i did that
[02:37] <geser> then adduid to add a new one
[02:38] <sacater> oh
[02:38] <sacater> ok
[02:38] <sacater> right
[02:38] <sacater> i have a new UID
[02:39] <sacater> now what
[02:39] <geser> select the old with 'uid number'
[02:39] <sacater> ok..
[02:39] <geser> and 'revuid'
[02:40] <geser> when everything is like you want 'save'
[02:40] <sacater> erm
[02:40] <sacater> it didnt get rid of it
[02:40] <sacater> i still have 2
[02:40] <sacater> one old one new
[02:40] <geser> you never get rid of it
[02:40] <sacater> oh
[02:40] <sacater> well
[02:41] <geser> you can only mark the as old (revoke)
[02:41] <geser> the keyservers never delete
[02:41] <sacater> aha
[02:41] <sacater> got it
[02:41] <sacater> yeah
[02:41] <sacater> revoked
[02:41] <sacater> save
[02:41] <sacater> yays
[02:41] <sacater> all done, thanks
[02:41] <geser> there is a deluid command but does it only for your copy
[02:41] <geser> don't forget to upload your changed key
[02:41] <sacater> hey, does this mean i have to resign the code of conduct?
[02:42] <sacater> upload command?
[02:42] <geser> if you would deluid your old uid your would get it back when you fetch your key from a keyserver
[02:42] <chaks> hi
[02:42] <geser> gpg --send-key keyid
[02:42] <chaks> anybody here to discuss regarding Academic Involvement ?
[02:42] <imbrandon> chaks, as in?
[02:43] <chaks> imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AcademicInvolvement
[02:43] <chaks> am a Masters Student in University of Otago
[02:43] <sacater> geser: sacater@neo:~$ gpg --send-key 6127680A
[02:43] <sacater> gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver)
[02:43] <sacater> gpg: keyserver send failed: bad URI
[02:43] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$ 
[02:43] <chaks> and currently proposed a project and got approved
[02:43] <geser> sacater: the most keyservers have a web interface where you can look like your key looks on the keyservers
[02:43] <imbrandon> chaks, ahh one sec
[02:43] <chaks> sure :)
[02:43] <geser> sacater: have you uploaded your key to a keyserver already?
[02:44] <sacater> erm
[02:44] <sacater> yeh
[02:44] <sacater> that number
[02:44] <geser> gpg --keyserver blackhole.pca.dfn.de --send-key 0x6127680A
[02:45] <geser> or use an other keyserver
[02:45] <geser> that's the one I use
[02:45] <sacater> k
[02:45] <sacater> sent
[02:45] <imbrandon> chaks, well we can point you to the right direction if you have questions, but as far as specifics dholbach ( not here atm ) would be the one to poke
[02:45] <Nafallo> keyserver.ubuntu.com is a good guess :-)
[02:45] <sacater> ooh
[02:45] <imbrandon> or Laserjock / crimsun possibly
[02:45] <chaks> oh...i have few doubts imbrandon, can we have second window?
[02:45] <sacater> im using ubuntu.com for key...
[02:46] <imbrandon> chaks, sure
[02:46] <geser> sacater: the keyserver exchange the keys between each other
[02:47] <Hobbsee> why, when i have v7 and v9 installed, does firefox decide to use the earlier?
[02:47] <sacater> geser: erm, gajim only sees my key as my old email still
[02:48] <geser> sacater: if you don't want to specify the keyserver each time you can add it to .gnupg/gpg.conf as "keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com"
[02:48] <Nafallo> subkeys.pgp.net is roundrobin IIRC
[02:48] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'll definitely let you know when I get the S/MIME stuff figured out.  I'd hoped to do it for Feisty, but ran out of time.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool
[02:48] <Nafallo> sacater: gajim uses your local file on-disk...
[02:49] <sacater> but i changed it
[02:49] <ScottK> Hobbsee: re your comment about my age....  I have a hard time believing it too.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <sacater> geser: do i need to resign the code of conduct with my new details?
[02:51] <geser> no, as you signed it with your key which is still the same
[02:51] <sacater> ok
[02:53] <geser> sacater: once you get an @ubuntu.com address you can add it as an additional uid to your key if you want
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Mission accomplished, it would appear!
[02:58] <imbrandon> ajmitch, your in Dunedin correct ?
[02:59] <chaks> :)
[02:59] <imbrandon> chaks, Fujitsu and Hobbsee and a few others are down your way too ( in AU )
[02:59] <chaks> hi Fujitsu, Hobbsee
[02:59] <chaks> me from dunedin
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Hi chaks.
[02:59] <imbrandon> StevenK also iirc, and others i'm sure i've missed
[03:00] <chaks> University Of Otago
[03:00] <chaks> :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> chaks: met ajmitch yet?
[03:01] <chaks> no, only now i knew he is from DD
[03:01] <chaks> :)
[03:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nope, i was just telling him about ajmitch , because he is wanting to touch some LDAP stuff for school
[03:01] <imbrandon> a DD from DD lol
[03:01] <imbrandon> hrm trash must go out, brb 
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:02] <imbrandon> why isnt there a rightclick empty trash IRL ?
[03:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:08] <sacater> geser: yeah, but when..
[03:08] <sacater> only when*
[03:10] <\sh> moins...from belgium ;)
[03:11] <imbrandon> heya \sh 
[03:12] <sacater> geser: whats the easiest way to get an @ubuntu.com email :P
[03:12] <\sh> guys, do you think it's too late for a wine UVF report? ;)
[03:12] <imbrandon> sacater, the only way is to become a member
[03:12] <sacater> imbrandon: hmm
[03:12] <imbrandon> ( and thats not hard )
[03:13] <sacater> imbrandon: ive fixed one package, some answers, and plenty of additions of edits to bug reports, thats not good enough is it ;(
[03:14] <imbrandon> sacater, sure for a ubuntu membership , it should be
[03:14] <sacater> imbrandon: oh, then i will apply
[03:14] <sacater> oh
[03:14] <sacater> ive already tried
[03:14] <sacater> 'pending approval'
[03:14] <Nafallo> hehe. my ex became a member cause she MIGHT join the artwork team :-P
[03:14] <imbrandon> have you been to the CC meetign ?
[03:15] <Nafallo> but then again. she translated a bit too :-)
[03:15] <sacater> imbrandon: was that to me?
[03:15] <imbrandon> yes
[03:15] <sacater> imbrandon: what room
[03:15] <imbrandon> you have to goto the CC meeting when you apply
[03:15] <sacater> ubuntu-council?
[03:15] <Nafallo> #ubuntu-meeting
[03:15] <imbrandon> #ubuntu-meeting, not sure when the next one is
[03:15] <sacater> oh
[03:15] <DktrKranz> sacater, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto :)
[03:16] <sacater> :D
[03:16] <sacater> im already in there too
[03:16] <sacater> do you get a freenode cloak when you become an ubuntu member
[03:16] <imbrandon> right, but actualy attend the Community Council meeting ;)
[03:16] <imbrandon> sacater, yes
[03:16] <DktrKranz> next meeting will be on april 17
[03:17] <DktrKranz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:17] <DktrKranz> if you want to apply, add yourself to the list and prepare some info about you
[03:17] <imbrandon> sacater, and when you do add your self to the agenda for membership, just like the wiki says etc etc etc
[03:18] <imbrandon> then goto the meeting and they will ask you a few questions etc
[03:18] <DktrKranz> and, possibly, find some sponsors who can help you
[03:18] <imbrandon> then your hopefully be welcomed
[03:18] <sacater> hmm
[03:18] <sacater> 2 months sustained and substantial#
[03:18] <imbrandon> ubuntu membership is much less hard than MOTU or Core
[03:19] <sacater> hmm
[03:20] <sacater> ooh
[03:21] <sacater> me nervous
[03:21] <sacater> even though its a while away
[03:21] <sacater> just over a week..
[03:21] <zyga> hello
[03:21] <zyga> sorry for being ignorant but can someone remind me how to build a package having debian/rules and debian/control
[03:22] <DktrKranz> sacater, if you worked hard and your contribution is visible, you haven't to worry too much
[03:22] <DktrKranz> zyga, if debian/ directory is fully populated, you can try with dpgk-buildpackage
[03:23] <imbrandon> debuild -us -uc
[03:25] <sacater> DktrKranz: ill work even harder now
[03:26] <DktrKranz> good :D
[03:26] <DktrKranz> anyway, it's just a startup
[03:27] <DktrKranz> once you become a member, you can contiune working with MOTUs and, hopefully, become one of them :)
[03:27] <sacater> that was my original intention
[03:27] <\sh> we need some more motus ;)
[03:27] <sacater> though for this meeting, i dont have much of a 'fanclub'
[03:27] <imbrandon> one or two current members will be fine
[03:28] <imbrandon> sacater, ^
[03:28] <sacater> whats with the ^
[03:28] <sacater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:28] <DktrKranz> dunno which requisites you must have do become a MOTU, though
[03:28] <sacater> added myself
[03:29] <imbrandon> DktrKranz, basicly you work on packages and have sponsors, once you have worked with sponsors a bit , one will invite you to mail the MOTU council and ask for membership
[03:29] <imbrandon> the the process starts
[03:29] <imbrandon> sacater, ^ is an up arrow in that context
[03:30] <sacater> oh ok
[03:30] <imbrandon> e.g. pointing to the line before
[03:30] <DktrKranz> uhm, is there a minimum amount of work to be done?
[03:30] <sacater> me need fanclub
[03:30] <sacater> :|
[03:31] <imbrandon> DktrKranz, 6 months of working on packages and having sponsors is a normal timeframe, though it can vary widely
[03:31] <zyga> re
[03:31] <zyga> thanks 
[03:31] <\sh> re zyga
[03:31] <zyga> I'm trying to rebuild cnf 
[03:31] <zyga> and I frankly forgot how to do that without mvo around :/
[03:31] <DktrKranz> understood, thanks
[03:35] <\sh> is anybody working of getting rid of all unmet-deps regarding php4 deps?
[03:36] <DktrKranz> \sh, I was working on them some days ago
[03:37] <sacater> imbrandon: can i see your wiki page, so i can get an idea on how to structure mine
[03:37] <\sh> DktrKranz: thx :) if you need a sponsor you can write an email to me :)
[03:37] <DktrKranz> \sh, if you have a little time, I've got some ready for review
[03:37] <imbrandon> sacater, sure http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandonHoltsclaw ( rember mine is much more info because i'm a Core Dev , and also hasent been updated in 4 or 5 months )
[03:38] <sacater> ok
[03:38] <sacater> ill look anyway
[03:38] <\sh> DktrKranz: I'm reviewing them on tuesday..when I'm back at work..ok?
[03:38] <DktrKranz> np, thanks :)
[03:38] <\sh> oh my GF is just coming back from her bike-ride
[03:39] <\sh> DktrKranz: my internet connection is stolen from a neighbor right here
[03:39] <DktrKranz> here in italy is illegal, sue him!! :D
[03:39] <\sh> why? right now I'm in belgium
[03:40] <DktrKranz> okok, it's only our matter
[03:40] <DktrKranz> foneros will have hard times ;)
[03:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:41] <DktrKranz> any U-U-S to ACK bug #104433?
[03:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 104433 in libembperl-perl "Please sync libembperl-perl 2.2.0-1.2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104433
[03:41] <Nafallo> my connection haven't been shared for a long time, neither my ex-girlfriends. none of us have heard a word from FON :-)
[03:42] <imbrandon> i just got my FON the other day, installed dd-wrt on it :)
[03:42] <Nafallo> might be related to my mail demanding that they put some efforts into security :-P
[03:42] <Nafallo> imbrandon: but you probably got a fonera, right? ;-)
[03:42] <imbrandon> yea
[03:43] <Nafallo> I got a WRT54GL :-)
[03:43] <imbrandon> i have 3 matter of fact, all with dd-wrt on them :)
[03:43] <Nafallo> hehe, oki
[03:43] <imbrandon> Nafallo, just flash it with open-wrt/dd-wrt or the original linksys firmware
[03:43] <imbrandon> :)
[03:43] <geser> \o/ it happend: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released
[03:43] <Nafallo> ehrm... I've already flashed mine some times to many :-P
[03:44] <imbrandon> :)
[03:44] <Nafallo> I have to poke with JTAG now :-P
[03:44] <imbrandon> geser, official now?
[03:44] <Nafallo> and I haven't got around to do that yet :-)
[03:44] <geser> yes, I got it from a mail to debian-announce
[03:44] <DktrKranz> GOOD!
[03:48] <ScottK> DktrKranz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html
[03:49] <DktrKranz> let's go party!!!
[03:49] <DktrKranz> I'm not aware of news from Debian
[03:49] <DktrKranz> is Dunk-Tank still involved?
[03:50] <geser> this experiment is already completed
[03:51] <\sh> wow...etch released
[03:51] <DktrKranz> uhm, it seems lists.debian.org is archiving emails quicker than we do...
[03:54] <imbrandon> )
[03:55] <DktrKranz> lenny? who is it?
[03:56] <imbrandon> lenny is the current version of debian testing now since Etch is released
[03:56] <sacater> imbrandon: if I made a change to the 'tea' package, and created a team for it on launchpad, does that make me the maintainer?
[03:56] <lupine_85> etch was a better name than lenny :D
[03:56] <DktrKranz> i know :)
[03:56] <imbrandon> sacater, psudoly yes, but ubuntu there isnt "maintainers"
[03:56] <DktrKranz> i was referring to "toy story 2" :D
[03:57] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:00] <geser> DktrKranz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars
[04:00] <imbrandon> looks like debian.org is updated too
[04:01] <DktrKranz> i don't remember who it is
[04:02] <lupine_85> 300? ;)
[04:02] <imbrandon> 300 isnt on dvd yet ( unless its from a torrent )
[04:02] <imbrandon> :)
[04:02] <lupine_85> as if I'd illegally download movies ;)
[04:03] <lupine_85> but yeah, a pretty good-quality torrent actually
[04:03] <imbrandon> heh yea i seen it a few days ago, not that i would either
[04:04] <lupine_85> So; where are we dining tonight?
[04:09] <imbrandon> btw if your local mirror is slow , i've put the netinstall here : ftp://voyager.imbrandon.com/mirror/debian/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso
[04:09] <Nafallo> se.archive.ubuntu.com has 4Gbit and a cluster that can handle it... :-)
[04:13] <imbrandon> they dont have a debian mirror though do they ?
[04:15] <Nafallo> ehrm. ftp.se.debian.org
[04:15] <Nafallo> and they are master CD-mirror :-)
[04:15] <Nafallo> so yes. that's where isos are produced... :-)
[04:16] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:16] <Nafallo> etch seems a bit outdated for me though :-P
[04:16] <lupine_85> heh, I know what you mean
[04:16] <lupine_85> I'll be tracking unstable
[04:17] <Nafallo> I track feisty on all my boxes now :-)
[04:20] <\sh> se.{debian,ubuntu} is maswans responsibilty...right?
[04:20] <Nafallo> yes
[04:21] <\sh> hmmm..30mins ETA to shutdown :(
[04:21] <Nafallo> shutdown?
[04:22] <\sh> laptop powers
[04:22] <Nafallo> ah
[04:22] <\sh> getting powercable now ;)
[04:25] <\sh> ah....new electrical power is flowing through this thing
[04:48] <geser> power-over-wlan :)
[04:49] <\sh> nope...power from the house via a very long cable to my place now ;)
[04:56] <jdong> geser: I've seriously contemplated several times if I should me an induction-based wireless power brick for my laptop :D
[04:56] <jdong> it's always ended with some worry about cancer
[04:56] <jdong> or planetary alignment
[04:58] <geser> :)
[05:03] <\sh> jdong: forget cancer...we will cure cancer very soon ,-)
[05:03] <jdong> :)
[05:06] <\sh> no cookies, it clashes with my belgium beer ;)
[05:08] <sharms> Laser_away: you gotta post pictures of their desktop with the blog entries
[05:10] <sacater> \sh: if you want, you can dip them in your beer, thus the result is beer-cookies :D
[05:11] <\sh> sacater: gg
[05:11] <\sh> ok....going back to holiday mode...cu tuesday
[05:11] <sacater> imbrandon: how does this look so far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[05:18] <imbrandon> sacater, looks like a good start, now just rope a ubuntu member that can vouch for you at the meeting and you both attend
[05:18] <imbrandon> brb , headed to the store
[05:19] <sacater> imbrandon: doubtful, but can i rope you?
[05:25] <jdong> hey imbrandon, how are you?
[05:26] <sharms> lol
[05:26] <sharms> haha... since my last entry in my blog, if you google "giving a bad name to linux developers" my blog comes up
[05:27] <sharms> as first result
[05:28] <jdong> sharms: congratulations? :D
[05:28] <sacater> ooh
[05:28] <sacater> i will google it up
[05:28] <sharms> I just find it hilarious that when people google bad linux developers they will find me
[05:29] <jdong> sharms: lol
[05:29] <sharms> one interesting thing so far is, the main problem with my latest blog entry is there are ALOT of people who dont understand IRC
[05:29] <welp> imbrandon: ping
[05:30] <sacater> hi welp
[05:30] <welp> yo
[05:30] <sacater> welp: read up
[05:30] <sacater> about 12 lines for me
[05:31] <Lathiat> right
[05:31] <Lathiat> ubuntus screwed, debian 4 releases
[05:31] <Lathiat> for the next 6 months until its out of date again :)
[05:31] <welp> sacater: i already have, silly
[05:32] <sacater> welp: good good...
[05:32] <sacater> and hows this look for a starter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[05:34] <sharms> sacater: I think it would help if you get your name on more packages and kick that karma on launchpad up
[05:34] <sacater> i tried
[05:34] <sacater> i did some answers
[05:34] <sacater> i thought they got them up fast?
[05:35] <sharms> here was mine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StevenHarms
[05:35] <sharms> and I *barely* got in'
[05:35] <sharms> they have changed the karma system so I dont think you can achieve that level of karma anymore
[05:36] <sharms> but triaging some bugs definitely wont hurt
[05:36] <sacater> aw
[05:37] <sacater> me will do
[05:37] <sacater> i have until...
[05:37] <sacater> er..
[05:37] <sacater> 17th...
[05:37] <sacater> not this tuesday, but the next one
[05:37] <sharms> also if you have any community work with marketing / locos post that in your profile
[05:37] <sharms> or advocacy 
[05:38] <sacater> hmm
[05:38] <sacater> i got some ubuntu cds, and gave a few out
[05:38] <sacater> got my parents friends using kubunta
[05:38] <sacater> got my parents friends using kubuntu*
[05:44] <sacater> im gonna get started on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcolor2/+bug/70386
[05:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 70386 in gcolor2 "doesn't have a desktop entry" [Undecided,In progress]  
[05:45] <sharms> sacater: yeah that is a great one
[05:45] <sacater> sharms: for 2 reasons
[05:45] <sacater> simple
[05:45] <sacater> and esay
[05:45] <sacater> :D
[05:45] <sacater> easy*
[05:45] <sharms> :)
[05:45] <sacater> dont get me wrong
[05:46] <sacater> its not like me to slack :D
[05:46] <sacater> much.
[05:46] <sacater> :P
[05:51] <sacater> sharms: erm there is a slight problem, i just compiled the source into a .deb and installed it, the .desktop file works fine
[05:51] <sacater> and works
[05:52] <sharms> then atleast you resolved the bug :)
[05:52] <sacater> erm
[05:52] <sharms> Mark it as rejected
[05:52] <sacater> i didnt fix it..
[05:52] <sacater> ok
[05:52] <sharms> with a friendly explanation
[05:53] <sacater> i have
[05:53] <sacater> check it out again
[05:54] <sharms> looks good
[05:55] <sharms> one more thing that is a good way to help / get karma
[05:55] <sharms> do a bug search, advanced, for bugs that are unconfirmed or need information
[05:55] <sharms> if they need information and nobody has been able to provide information in a long time, reject it 
[05:55] <sharms> and if they are unconfirmed, but vague on information, ask for more information
[05:55] <sharms> and switch status to needs info
[05:56] <sacater> hmm
[05:56] <sacater> ok
[05:56] <sharms> check out this real quick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Diaries/fmartinez
[05:57] <sacater> k
[06:02] <sacater> sharms: is this ideal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/perl/+bug/6834, how much karma would it get me?
[06:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 6834 in perl "has issues with tying read only arrays (DB_File,O_RDONLY)" [High,Rejected]  
[06:02] <sacater> whoop
[06:02] <sacater> s
[06:02] <sacater> ignore that
[06:03] <sacater> i looked at debian rather than ubuntu
[06:05] <sacater> sharms: how about this, reject it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/32123
[06:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 32123 in initramfs-tools "initramfs not generated correctly on upgrade to Dapper" [High,Needs info]  
[06:06] <sharms> sacater: leave a comment saying "Is this still an issue in Feisty?"
[06:07] <sacater> ok
[06:07] <sacater> sharms: just that?
[06:07] <sharms> yeah and if nobody answers for awhile we can close it
[06:08] <sacater> ok
[06:08] <sacater> so how to I remember it :|
[06:08] <sacater> to close it after a while
[06:09] <sharms> click the button "subscribe to any changes" or email me changes
[06:09] <sharms> then it may pop back up
[06:09] <sacater> ok
[06:09] <sharms> or when you are doing the same "needs info, unconfirmed drill" you will come across it again
[06:09] <sacater> ok
[06:11] <so1> hi
[06:11] <so1> whats the status of gaim/pidgin in feisty?
[06:12] <sacater> sharms: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/localechooser/+bug/26536 shall i do 'needs info'
[06:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 26536 in localechooser "Chinese language selection orders" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[06:13] <so1> will the legal hassle with aol conflict with our schedule?
[06:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:13] <sacater> bddebian: hi mate
[06:14] <bddebian> Hello sacater
[06:15] <sharms> sacater: yeah just ask if this bug is still present in feisty
[06:16] <sacater> okies
[06:17] <sacater> welp: you dont have an old PC case i could have do you, socket A size at least
[06:18] <Adri2000> so1: I think we will keep gaim beta6, and will have pidgin in feisty+1
[06:19] <Adri2000> so1: but the better person to ask is seb128, we (the MOTUs) don't maintain gaim
[06:21] <Adri2000> s/better/best/
[06:24] <so1> mh
[06:24] <so1> aol should be shot ...
[06:25] <sacater> sharms: reject? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/40060
[06:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 40060 in update-manager "update-manager doesn't understand gtk changelog" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[06:25] <so1> if gaim really came out with "aim" before aol, they should sue the hell out of them
[06:29] <sharms> sacater: reject saying "This bug appears to be fixed in recent releases.  If you can reproduce this in feisty, please open a new bug"
[06:30] <sacater> ok
[06:30] <sacater> will do
[06:31] <sacater> when does karma get updated
[06:35] <sacater> ive marked a few things and it hasnt budged
[06:45] <imbrandon> sacater, yes if i am not sleeping you can rope me
[06:45] <imbrandon> welp, pong 
[06:46] <welp> imbrandon: mind if i /query you?
[06:55] <imbrandon> welp, sure ( might be a bit slow right now, but yea )
[06:57] <sharms> sacater: it updates at night
[06:58] <jdong_> imbrandon: since I am in a really awesome mood today, I'll resist a comment based on your last statement ;-)
[07:00] <imbrandon> jdong_, lol
[07:00] <imbrandon> hows it goin
[07:00] <jdong_> pretty good, busy, but still keeping my sanity
[07:00] <jdong_> and you?
[07:00] <imbrandon> same
[07:00] <imbrandon> :)
[07:01] <jdong_> gonna side-track from my todo list and try out Debian etch today :)
[07:24] <joejaxx> Good Afternoon Everyone
[07:36] <sacater> joejaxx: afternoon
[08:07] <danohuiginn> I'm looking at ajmitch's missing fixes page from the topic. Is there a way to remove a package from the list if the bug doesn't apply to ubuntu?
[09:54] <BlakeM> I'd like to learn how to package and contribut to the Universe repo, could some one PM me with some information on how to get started?
[09:56] <geser> !packaging guide
[09:56] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[09:56] <BlakeM> thx
[10:08] <sacater> if i get another cloak, can i get an ubuntu one later, or can i tie them together or something
[10:09] <geser> I'd guess you can have only one
[10:09] <geser> why would you need two cloaks to hide your ip?
[10:13] <LaserJock> geser: because it's cool ;-)
[10:14] <geser> you could also hide your ip by a cloak which itself is hidden by another cloak :)
[10:23] <sacater> geser: i have a colchester LUG cloak, ill replace with ubuntu if i get it
[10:32] <corevette> where do you learn how to add a project into the repositories?
[10:32] <LaserJock> !packagingguide
[10:32] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:33] <LaserJock> !revu
[10:33] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:38] <LaserJock> corevette: do those links ^^ help?
[10:38] <corevette> yes thanks LaserJock
[10:40] <sacater> Seveas: can i ask you about the cloaks, i have a colchester lug one, but im applying for ubuntu members so i can get @ubuntu as well, can i have both?
[10:42] <Seveas> sacater, no
[10:44] <bddebian> Heya gang
[10:44] <geser> Hi bddebian
[10:45] <bddebian> Hi geser
[10:45] <LaserJock> hola bddebian 
[10:46] <Lutin> hi bddebian 
[10:46] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, Lutin
[10:49] <ajmitch> morning
[10:50] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[10:51] <ajmitch> I wonder if I know that person
[10:51] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:51] <LaserJock> is otago in NZ?
[10:51] <ajmitch> well yeah
[10:52] <ajmitch> which is where I studied
[10:54] <LaserJock> oh, cool
[10:54] <ajmitch> hm, almost 9AM
[10:54] <ajmitch> I should have a beer tonight to celebrate etch release ;)
[10:56] <minghua> otago somehow sounds Japanese to me...
[10:56] <LaserJock> I'd need more than 1 to install it ... ;-)
[10:56] <ajmitch> s/japanese/maori/
[10:56] <minghua> oh I see
[10:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: bah, it's simple to install, I've done a couple of etch installs in the last week :)
[10:56] <LaserJock> I suppose Etch doesn't have a 2.4 kernel?
[10:56] <minghua> no
[10:56] <jdong_> haha no.
[10:57] <minghua> 2.6.18
[10:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no, it's not the installing that's the problem
[10:57] <LaserJock> darn
[10:57] <LaserJock> I need a 2.4 kernel for the only Debian machine I run
[10:57] <ajmitch> I'll have to check if you can install with a 2.4 kernel
[10:57] <ajmitch> I *think* it's still possible
[10:57] <minghua> install sarge and upgrade to etch then
[10:57] <minghua> ajmitch: I believe not, all 2.4 kernels are dropped in etch IIRC
[10:57] <LaserJock> minghua: will that take out my kernel though?
[10:58] <minghua> LaserJock: of course not, but make sure you read http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-upgrade-from-2.4 first
[10:58] <ajmitch> minghua: oh well
[10:58] <minghua> LaserJock: or better, the whole release note
[10:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why do you need 2.4 in this case?
[10:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: umm, proprietary instrument drivers
[10:59] <LaserJock> it's my data acquisition machine
[11:00] <jdong_> sounds like fun :)
[11:00] <LaserJock> I'm probably better of not messing around with it
[11:00] <jdong_> how long is oldstable supported for?
[11:00] <ajmitch> 1 year
[11:00] <jdong_> that's not bad at all....
[11:00] <LaserJock> right now I can actually build my data acquisition app on top of it
[11:00] <minghua> I thought 18 months?
[11:01] <jdong_> gives plenty of time for the vendor to write 2.6 drivers... oh who am I kidding :)
[11:01] <LaserJock> oh they have one
[11:01] <LaserJock> it just doesn't work with the app I wrote for it
[11:01] <jdong_> ah
[11:01] <ajmitch> minghua: afaik it's always been 1 year 
[11:02] <LaserJock> but we just dropped about $3000 in Windows hardware/software with them :/
[11:02] <curado> does anyone knows about the motu-school project?
[11:02] <minghua> ajmitch: you are correct, one year it is
[11:02] <LaserJock> curado: sure
[11:02] <curado> as I red the last post at the wiki was in the middle of last year
[11:03] <minghua> (or until next stable release, whichever is sooner, but as we all know...)
[11:03] <ajmitch> minghua: don't make me laugh
[11:03] <minghua> sorry, forgot you are having beer :-)
[11:03] <curado> LaserJock: I'm looking for a mentor to start helping with packaging
[11:03] <ajmitch> nah, it's monday morning, too early to have beer yet :)
[11:04] <LaserJock> curado: yes, we haven't had a School session for a while. We'd like to get that going again
[11:04] <curado> great
[11:04] <LaserJock> curado: well, we are here to help
[11:04] <LaserJock> curado: if you have specific questions you can ask here
[11:04] <LaserJock> or if you're not comfortable with that email one of the people on the wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors page
[11:04] <ajmitch> bah
[11:04] <ajmitch> bug 104499
[11:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 104499 in f-spot "PC Crash when I import data into f-spot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104499
[11:04] <ajmitch> lots of helpful info there
[11:05] <curado> LaserJock: Thanks! I'll study the documentation and I'll look for help here if I need
[11:06] <LaserJock> curado: awesome, thanks for the interest :-)
[11:12] <LaserJock> jdong_: lol
[11:15] <sacater> LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater#preview hows that look for a member application
[11:16] <AstralJava> LaserJock: Hi. :) Can you take a look at UbuntuStudio packages, they're fixed according to your comments now? First up ubuntustudio-icon-theme http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4797
[11:17] <AstralJava> ubuntustudio-sounds http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4799
[11:17] <LaserJock> sacater: you need more specifics as far as time. How long have you been contibuting? What specific things have you contributed (with links and dates, etc.)? thinks like that. But it's a good start
[11:18] <sacater> cool
[11:18] <sacater> will do
[11:18] <AstralJava> usplash-theme-ubuntustudio http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4798
[11:18] <sacater> time... time...
[11:18] <ajmitch> sacater: saying that you've helped out in "a few different ways" & then only mentioning one package..
[11:19] <LaserJock> AstralJava: on it
[11:19] <stgraber> sacater: Have a look at this one for example : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RichardJohnson
[11:20] <LaserJock> stgraber: you're just going to give nixternal a big head ;-)
[11:20] <nixternal> haha
[11:21] <stgraber> LaserJock: yep, but I didn't want to give mine :)
[11:21] <sacater> ajmitch: , ok
[11:21] <sacater> stgraber: k
[11:21] <bddebian> don't look at mine, that's for sure
[11:21] <stgraber> and nixternal's one isn't that bad :)
[11:21] <nixternal> I have been meaning to redo that. I have noticed the past 5 or so CC meetings, mako always gets the "I stole that from nixternal" :)
[11:21] <LaserJock> sacater: mine is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[11:22] <sacater> LaserJock: okies
[11:22] <ajmitch> nixternal: well it's way better than my seriously outdated page ;)
[11:22] <LaserJock> which I suppose I should update if I want to go for core-dev :/
[11:22] <ajmitch> though I haven't done any work on ubuntu since putting my wiki page up
[11:22] <stgraber> and mine at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stgraber (stolen a little bit from LaserJock and nixternal) :)
[11:22] <nixternal> I have a /Beta on there I started, and never came close to finishing
[11:23] <sacater> okies
[11:23] <superm1> can anyone think of a good example of a package that queries the status of another package in its debian/config or debian/postinst scripts?  eg finds out if its been configured yet or is installed yet?
[11:23] <nixternal> this strnicmp with gnu is killing me
[11:23] <stgraber> LaserJock: Will have to update it as well if I want to apply for being a MOTU :)
[11:24] <LaserJock> I haven't done anything with mine for a year
[11:24] <LaserJock> although I think they use them less and less as they get to know you
[11:26] <stgraber> sure, the LP activity also help a lot. If you haven't done anything on Launchpad and only worked on LoCo then you really need a good wiki page
[11:36] <stgraber> LaserJock: work on some specs, that's the best way to earn Karma :)
[11:37] <bddebian> I was at some million now I'm at like 2000 :'-(
[11:37] <stgraber> it's 3740 of my 4474 :) with only having worked on say 2-3 specs
[11:37] <LaserJock> stgraber: well, that's how I have 1000 of the 1500 I have :(
[11:37] <stgraber> bddebian: yep, too bad they fixed that bug :)
[11:38] <bddebian> Well I was in the top 5 contributors for Edgy.  Now, I suck :'-(
[11:38] <stgraber> well ~2000 only working on bugs is quite good :)
[11:39] <geser> over 10k in bug management :)
[11:40] <geser> bddebian: have you seen the karma of alan pope?
[11:40] <bddebian> Nah, I rarely even check my own
[11:40] <stgraber> geser: You aren't human, that's all
[11:41] <geser> bddebian: alan pope has over 113k in support tickets
[11:41] <LaserJock> geeze
[11:42] <stgraber> Seems support tracking is like specifications, a good way to earn karma (but finally who cares about karma ? :))
[11:42] <LaserJock> yes, I have it on my Top 5
[11:43] <LaserJock> although anymore it's almost redundant with bug karam
[11:44] <bddebian> WTH is a support ticket?
[11:45] <geser> bddebian: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:45] <bddebian> ahh
[11:46] <geser> according to http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ I've updated over 370 packages, that would give much karma :)
[11:47] <crimsun> ooh, karma chasing
[11:47] <crimsun> :-)
[11:47] <crimsun> I'm glad to not be in the top 50
[11:48] <crimsun> no, that's called "having a life"
[11:48] <ColonelKorn> Hey all
[11:48] <bddebian> crimsun: I wish that were my excuse
[11:49] <geser> bddebian: promote Ubuntu in second life :)
[11:49] <crimsun> bddebian: well, you could be like me - not have a life, not have much karma, not do much in Ubuntu :-)
[11:49] <bddebian> :-)
[11:49] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah right, like you don't do much
[11:49] <ColonelKorn> I kinda new to all this, any good places to help get me started in developing for ubuntu?
[11:50] <crimsun> ColonelKorn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[11:52] <ColonelKorn> Thank you
[11:52] <LaserJock> AstralJava: done, all acked
[11:52] <LaserJock> _MMA_: ^^
[11:52] <AstralJava> LaserJock: Whee! Thanks a million! :)
[11:53] <LaserJock> np
[11:54] <AstralJava> So, now TheMuso's ACKs aren't showing up in the REVU listing, since the package's been updated. Does that matter, or can I now file the exception bugs?
[11:54] <crimsun> you can file them, but generally you should get him to recheck
[11:54] <AstralJava> crimsun: Okay thanks.
[11:54] <crimsun> to be strict, you /must/ get another MOTU to check
[11:55] <AstralJava> Right.
[11:55] <LaserJock> yeah, they should be trivial, as my only complaints were debian/copyright related
[11:56] <superm1> LaserJock, can one package's debconf section query variables and information from another (already installed) package?
[11:56] <crimsun> it can query anything in the debconf db.
[11:57] <superm1> oh very good
[11:57] <crimsun> note that can be nasty
[11:57] <crimsun> it essentially adds a Dependency if you don't already have it
[11:57] <superm1> well but in a case of a package that needs to setup a mysql database, but needs the root password to do it
[11:57] <superm1> it can query that from mysql-server/root_password
[11:57] <superm1> rather than ask the user
[11:59] <LaserJock> superm1: hmm, what if the person has changed the root password?
[11:59] <superm1> well if they changed it via dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 its updated in debconf
[12:00] <superm1> but i guess if they changed it via mysql console that case wouldnt be covered
[12:01] <minghua> superm1: I think you want to look at package dbconfig-common
[12:01] <minghua> superm1: (and the packages that are using it
[12:02] <superm1> k thanks minghua 
[12:03] <AstralJava> Okay I've got UVF exception bugs filed. bug #104571
[12:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 104571 in ubuntustudio-icon-theme "[UVFe request]  ubuntustudio-icon-theme in REVU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104571
[12:04] <AstralJava> bug #104573
[12:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 104573 in ubuntustudio-sounds "[UVFe request]  ubuntustudio-sounds in REVU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104573
[12:04] <AstralJava> bug #104575
[12:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 104575 in usplash-theme-ubuntustudio "[UVFe request]  usplash-theme-ubuntustudio in REVU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104575
[12:04] <AstralJava> ...and bug #103225
[12:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 103225 in ubuntustudio-look "[UVFe request]  ubuntustudio-look in REVU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103225
[12:06] <AstralJava> It'd be super-great if someone could take a look and tell me what's needed more in the bug report.
[12:07] <crimsun> well, first of all, they're not UVF exception requests
[12:07] <crimsun> they're Feature Freeze (FF) exception requests
[12:07] <AstralJava> Nice, good start. :)
[12:07] <ajmitch> they're "ZOMG NEW PACKAGE!" requests
[12:08] <ajmitch> so they're basically just branding packages?
[12:08] <ajmitch> artwork & sounds?
[12:08] <ajmitch> I see you recycled the bug description for each one
[12:08] <ajmitch> they all seem to be "one of the most important artwork packages for the project."
[12:09] <LaserJock> of course :-)
[12:09] <AstralJava> ajmitch: Yes, that's true. Isn't it? ;)
[12:09] <AstralJava> Yeah I suppose I should have changed that a bit.