[12:48] <kumamoto> !hdparm
[12:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hdparm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <kumamoto> !synaptoc
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synaptoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:49] <kumamoto> !synaptic
[12:49] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[12:49] <kumamoto> nice
[12:51] <snarfer> synaptic FTW
[12:54] <maxamillion> aptitude > *
[12:54] <maxamillion> ;)
[01:15] <BFTD> dum dee dum
[01:24] <kumamoto> dum dum gum gum
[01:27] <snarfer> !install
[01:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:27] <maxamillion> doo doo dee doo
[01:28] <tors_> music, nice
[01:28] <maxamillion> boredom tends to do that to us ...
[01:29] <maxamillion> kalikiana: hello
[01:29] <tors_> boredom ey? ok, "forwards I am heavy, backwards I am not. What am I?"
[01:29] <kalikiana> hi maxamillion :)
[01:30] <maxamillion> tors_: i code when i'm bored ;)
[01:30] <tors_> maxamillion: roger that
[01:32] <maxamillion> kalikiana: i am taking a compiler theory class this semester and the first part of the compiler is to write a token recognizer and then create a symbol table with the tokens and i am doing it for a programming language that my professor made up called "j0"
[01:33] <snarfer> Hmmm
[01:33] <maxamillion> kalikiana: and after looking through the source code for python i am realizing that i am being required to do it the hard way in my class :(
[01:33] <snarfer> The special install disk for Xubuntu doesn't detect my external HD
[01:34] <maxamillion> snarfer: but the livecd does?
[01:34] <snarfer> Yes
[01:34] <maxamillion> interesting
[01:34] <crimsun> maxamillion: well, yes, that's because python already does the heavy lifting for you
[01:34] <maxamillion> crimsun: huh?
[01:34] <crimsun> back in my day, we wrote the parsers et al. in ALGOL
[01:35] <crimsun> maxamillion: compare what python & perl do to what you're doing
[01:35] <kalikiana> maxamillion, You're using python for compiler theory? That's cool :)
[01:35] <snarfer> Anyone have an idea?
[01:35] <maxamillion> crimsun: i am talking about the C source code that makes up the python interpreter ... the methods the python devel team seem to make a little more sense and be easier than what i am learning in class
[01:36] <crimsun> maxamillion: that's precisely what I'm referring to
[01:36] <crimsun> remember that different doesn't mean worse, although sometimes it does.
[01:36] <maxamillion> kalikiana: no, my prof isn't teaching in any language, he teaches the theory and we have to go code it
[01:36] <kalikiana> Well, that's even better!
[01:36] <crimsun> the absolute coolest language is Perl for any theory
[01:37] <maxamillion> crimsun: well we are doing table driven deterministic finite state automaton ... its not bad, but the tables for the tokenizer is like 30x30
[01:37] <crimsun> it's absolutely sick what you can do with it - and this is coming from someone who prefers to not use Perl
[01:38] <crimsun> keep a look out for what the next major revision of Perl is going to do
[01:38] <maxamillion> i prefer to not use perl either ... i respect it, but i don't like to code in it
[01:38] <crimsun> anyhow, that's all off-topic
[01:38] <maxamillion> yeah ... it really is :(
[01:39] <limbert65> Humble request for help.....
[01:39] <maxamillion> !ask | limbert65
[01:39] <ubotu> limbert65: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:39] <limbert65> just today, did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and now can't eject optical media from the desktop of file manager, must use command line
[01:39] <snarfer> Well
[01:39] <snarfer> This is gonna take a whil
[01:40] <snarfer> while*
[01:40] <maxamillion> limbert65: did you upgrade to feisty or just get a new kernel update for edgy?
[01:40] <limbert65> when I right-click on DVD or CD on desktop, and choose Eject or Unmount, I get "Failed to execute child process 'gnome-eject'. No such file or directory."
[01:41] <limbert65> I can umount from command line, then eject manually
[01:41] <limbert65> Feisty
[01:42] <limbert65> Actually, I had already upgraded from edgy to feisty a few days back, and have been having a few troubles with gstreamer/Rhythmbox, and I decided just to do it again, see if anything improved.
[01:43] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah, if its an upgrade in feisty you might need to report a bug, we are still working on getting rid of some final bugs
[01:43] <limbert65> Now, can't mount, unmount, or eject using desktop or file manager.
[01:43] <limbert65> yeah, it's not exactly shocking, its' just that it was working fine (under Feisty) and now (still under Feisty) isn't.
[01:44] <limbert65> Think there's any way to fix it, or should I just keep upgrading?
[01:44] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah, some updates fix some issues and create others ... that's why we beta test :)
[01:44] <limbert65> I understand that.
[01:44] <maxamillion> limbert65: just keep upgrading, it should be resolved soon
[01:44] <limbert65> Ok, won't worry too much about it then.  Not too much trouble to just umount from the terminal.
[01:45] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah ... still kind of a bumber though
[01:45] <limbert65> Could be worse.  Rather minor problem in the larger scheme of things.
[01:46] <limbert65> Thanks for the response.
[01:46] <maxamillion> limbert65: yeah, i assume that resulted when they released a fix for a bug i had recently been monitoring
[01:46] <maxamillion> limbert65: anytime :)
[02:43] <chili> Hello.
[02:44] <chili> I'm new to Xubuntu, everything runs smooth, except my internet connection, can anyone help?
[04:41] <Shaba1> hello anyone at the keys here?
[04:57] <kalikiana> !ask | Shaba1
[04:57] <ubotu> Shaba1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:57] <kalikiana> oh, gone already :P
[05:05] <Pumpernickel> hmm
[05:05] <Pumpernickel> Dunno how the extra spaces got in there.
[05:39] <cfpvl> why do i keep getting a "No root file system" (while choosing mount points) during the installation of my xubuntu 6.10? This is the 2nd time i install it and i never got this message for the 1st one...
[05:41] <kalikiana> cfpvl, Possibly because you need to delete and recreate it
[05:41] <kalikiana> It's a nasty bug I fear.
[05:44] <cfpvl> kalinkiana, i did try to format the partition again, but got the same msg...
[05:45] <cfpvl> you mean i should erase and create the partition again? for the root and swap partitions?
[05:45] <mbadaveinlufkin> is there anyone who can see this?
[05:53] <cfpvl> still c'ant get pass the mount point selection
[06:10] <Brylie> i can see that
[06:15] <Jester45> A 64 bit upgrade to a 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition (but it's better than a Mac)!
[06:16] <Jester45> thats a defanition of MS Windows XP 64bit version
[06:18] <maxamillion> yeah ... uhmmm, accept for the "but its better than a Mac" line
[06:19] <maxamillion> Jester45: i would rather run OS X than XP or Vista any day of the week and twice on sunday
[06:19] <maxamillion> i mean come on .... it comes with a bash shell, python, and ssh built in? who needs anything more? ..... and even if you do, it has java also :P
[06:21] <Jester45> im copy/pasting fun things
[06:24] <maxamillion> lol
[06:26] <honkytonkwillie> Installing 7.04 beta failed, said my BIOS date was too old.
[06:26] <honkytonkwillie> Will the alternate install CD work?
[06:27] <maxamillion> honkytonkwillie: you can try ... but if it says something is wrong with the bios date you might just want to go into your bios and change the system date
[06:28] <honkytonkwillie> The error message made it sound like a newer BIOS version was necessary, something from year 2000 or newer.
[06:31] <Pumpernickel> It may be missing LBA support.  Hard to tell without the exact error message.
[06:32] <honkytonkwillie> What's LBA?
[06:34] <Pumpernickel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing
[06:37] <honkytonkwillie> Something new to look into.  Thanks.
[06:57] <snarfer> Hello
[06:57] <snarfer> I'm trying to install Xubuntu (again)
[06:57] <snarfer> What is "safe graphics mode"?
[06:58] <snarfer> Anyone?
[07:01] <Pumpernickel> It forces the use of the VESA driver.
[07:03] <Pumpernickel> Or, rather, it should.  If it isn't working for you, please see bug 59618.
[07:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 59618 in xorg ""Safe graphics mode" doesn't use VESA" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59618
[07:32] <BFTD> how do I fix my MBR if its damaged?
[07:34] <Pumpernickel> !grub
[07:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:34] <Pumpernickel> First link has info on recovering Grub.
[07:34] <BFTD> no
[07:34] <BFTD> not grub
[07:34] <BFTD> I already reinstalled that
[07:35] <BFTD> I think its the physical disk part
[07:35] <BFTD> !disc
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about disc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <Pumpernickel> If the disk itself is damaged, get a new disk.
[07:36] <BFTD> hrm
[10:24] <Deviad> Hello, I'm experiencing this problem with banshee and xfce: http://www.rafb.net/p/oQ5HKc64.html
[10:40] <BFTD> Deviad install XMMS
[10:41] <BFTD> or rather...what the heck are you trying to do?
[10:41] <Deviad> Clicking on a radio link and listen to it?
[10:41] <Deviad> :|
[10:41] <BFTD> oh
[10:41] <BFTD> well
[10:42] <BFTD> something else is using that same lib
[10:42] <BFTD> plus i don't think the radio is fully usable yet
[10:43] <Deviad> I don't have that library and I ignore the package that contains it
[10:43] <Deviad> plus on google I found no reference to it...
[10:43] <BFTD> yeah
[10:43] <Deviad> I have installed gnome-vfs2 but the library the program needs is not included in that package
[10:43] <BFTD> its not fully developed yet
[10:43] <Deviad> mmmmm how nice
[11:38] <kj0ttdeig> is it possible to get the "mount devices" panel add-on to only show devices in /mnt ?
[11:58] <Maximilian1st> Hi folks.
[11:59] <Maximilian1st> I just noticed that the Terminal's manual pages can be found in xfce4-terminal, yet xfce4-terminal is a discontinued project and is replaced by Terminal. Could the maintainers change this to reflect the current state?
[12:03] <crimsun> huh?
[12:05] <crimsun> http://www.os-cillation.com/index.php?id=42&L=5 is discontinued?
[12:07] <crimsun> xfce4-terminal is just the name of the source package and binary package. Are you asking for it to be changed?
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> xfce4-terminal is the old name used by Xfce
[12:19] <Maximilian1st> no, wait, I see, I have a more recent version than the ubuntu package.
[12:19] <Maximilian1st> or xubuntu if you prefer.
[12:19] <Maximilian1st> ubuntu ships with 2.6, I use 2.7
[12:20] <Maximilian1st> Maybe that the packagers will change the name for the next packages.
[02:01] <larson9999> using gparted i copied my xubuntu partions from a 40gb hd to a 100bg drive and booted from the new drive.  everything seems to work fine except the keyboard is very slow to respond and if you type two quickly, letters get dropped. wth?
[02:02] <larson9999> errrr, rebooted again for fun and works fine.  oh well.
[02:09] <joris_> Is there a guide to speed up xubuntu?  Cause performance is real slow on my old AMD K6 2/300 box
[02:18] <joris_> anyone here?
[02:19] <hyper_ch> joris_: sort of
[02:20] <joris_> ah cool! i am looking for a guide to speed up xubuntu any ideas
[02:20] <joris_> ?
[02:21] <joris_> It works real nice but on some things it is real slow
[02:22] <TheSheep> joris_: firefox will be always slow
[02:23] <joris_> it is not only firefox also synaptic or quod libet etc
[02:23] <joris_> it just takes 7 or 8 sec to start
[02:23] <hyper_ch> you could use fasterfox or what is it called?
[02:24] <joris_> swiftfox?
[02:24] <hyper_ch> yeppa
[02:24] <hyper_ch> that one
[02:24] <joris_> Not tried yet? But it is not only firefox
[02:24] <hyper_ch> deactivate unnecessary services
[02:25] <joris_> so i hoped there was some guide to do this -> ive been looking but couldnt find it
[02:26] <joris_> thats why i came here
[02:26] <hyper_ch> the only thing I can tell you is how to speed up Openoffice
[02:26] <joris_> would be nice as well
[02:26] <Aldoliel> Synaptic is always slow, it's pretty resource intesive
[02:27] <hyper_ch> joris_: you just need to alter the memory settings for it and it will be sped up quite a bit... how much ram have you got?
[02:27] <joris_> 3x 256mb
[02:27] <joris_> and a amd k6 300mhz cpu
[02:29] <joris_> where do i alter the memory settings?
[02:30] <hyper_ch> Tools --> Options --> Memory
[02:31] <Aldoliel> Why do I get the feeling that memory settings aren't going to help?
[02:31] <hyper_ch> I set use for OOo to 100MB
[02:31] <hyper_ch> and Membory per Object to 20MB
[02:31] <hyper_ch> it will speed up OOo
[02:31] <joris_> cool will try now...
[02:32] <hyper_ch> and you could enable systry quickstart
[02:39] <joris_> Seems to help a little bit. I tried swiftfox before on another box, but there was no better performance. Only some crashes
[02:41] <joris_> In terms of speed windows 98 was running ok, maybe xubuntu is just too advanced. Would another distro make more sense. For obvious reasons switching back to windows is not an option...
[02:42] <hyper_ch> joris_: you could use damn small linux
[02:44] <joris_> ok i will look for it or maybe i give up on this old computer...
[02:45] <pleia2> I ran xubuntu on a 266mhz laptop - yes things are slow, but I only really used the laptop for irc and browsing the web, used opera as my browser (it's a bit faster than firefox, still takes a while to load up though)
[02:46] <pleia2> I might also suggest doing a server install and then installing everything you need yourself, then you don't have the overhead of things like gdm
[02:46] <pleia2> install xserver, xfce4, just the services and programs you need..
[02:48] <joris_> ok good advice -> i think i will try this soon. Is it real necessary to do a fresh install or can i switch some other way?
[02:49] <pleia2> it's rarely *necessary* to do a linux reinstall
[02:50] <pleia2> you can pick off the services you don't want one by one, I just think it's easier to go the other way around and just install what you want ;)
[02:50] <hyper_ch> joris_: in some cases it's just easier
[02:52] <joris_> ok true, but i all ready spent several hours to get things working like sound and corrupted fonts
[02:57] <joris_> well thanks for all the advice and i will try a server install later on
[03:36] <WaxyFresh> how would i make xubuntu even more light weight?
[03:36] <WaxyFresh> i have 4 gigs 333mhx and 128 of ram
[03:36] <WaxyFresh> so im trying to conserve as much resources as possible
[03:54] <age6racer> Hi all, I'm having trouble with sound output on my laptop. I'm running Xubuntu Edgy (the sound problem exists in all media players but I use XMMS) and my soundcard is an ESS ES1978 (MAESTRO 2E) The sound is garbled and sounds a little like when you play an old warped cassette tape. Any ideas?
[03:56] <age6racer> I'm running a low spec system so I guess it could be to do with available virtual memory or buffer sizes? The sound gets much worse when I start using other apps or move windows around the screen.
[03:58] <Mordicus> hello$*
[03:59] <Mordicus> help :s
[04:00] <Mordicus> anybody ?
[04:01] <ormiret> !ask
[04:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:01] <Mordicus> ok :)
[04:01] <Mordicus> I updated Xubuntu and now it can't reboot :s
[04:02] <Mordicus> here is the error message :
[04:04] <Mordicus> check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline
[04:04] <Mordicus> or missing modules, devices : cat /proc/modules ls/dev
[04:04] <Mordicus> alert /dev/disk/by-uuid/69d7........................
[04:04] <Mordicus> busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.1.3-3ubuntu3) Built in Shell (ash)
[04:04] <Mordicus> /bin/sh : can't  access tty; job control turned off
[04:05] <Mordicus> (initramfs)
[04:05] <Mordicus> and next nothing more happens
[04:08] <ormiret> Do you get anything different from the recovery option?
[04:08] <Mordicus> how to access recovery options ?
[04:09] <ormiret> at the grub menu shortly after switching the machine on
[04:10] <Mordicus> I get the same error when booting in recovery mode
[04:10] <Mordicus> it stops at :
[04:10] <Mordicus> /bin/sh : can't  access tty; job control turned off
[04:10] <Mordicus> (initramfs)
[04:10] <Mordicus> with the same error messages as above
[04:13] <Mordicus> full error message is :
[04:13] <Mordicus> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/69d7..........(long number)...... doe not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[04:16] <Mordicus> any idea ? :s
[04:17] <ormiret> OK, looks like it can't find your root partition, if you boot up in a live CD and ensure your menu.lst  points to the right place.
[04:18] <Mordicus> huh... so I should boot using the live CD ?
[04:18] <ormiret> yes
[04:19] <Mordicus> next, how can I ensure menu.1st is at the right place ? (I'm a linux newbie)
[04:21] <Mordicus> I booted with the liveCD but I don't know what to do next :s
[04:22] <ormiret> menu.lst will be in boot/grub on your root partition, there is a line in it '## ## Start Default options ##'
[04:22] <ormiret> a little bellow that willbe a line '# kopt=root=...'
[04:24] <Mordicus> from the liveCD boot menu, how to access the command line ? may I use "Install a command-line system" ?
[04:25] <ormiret> No, go for the first one, I think it's 'use or install'?
[04:25] <ormiret> You can open a terminal once it boots up.
[04:26] <Mordicus> I do not have "use or install", but just "install in text mode" or "install in OEM mode".... there is also a "rescue a broken system" option
[04:26] <ormiret> That sounds like an alternative cd rather than a live CD
[04:27] <Mordicus> you're right ! checking for another CD !!!
[04:27] <ormiret> the rescue a broken system ought to do
[04:31] <Mordicus> I am downloading a liveCD to reinstall...
[04:36] <ormiret> I think it is fixble, but a reinstall might be easier if you've got all your data backed up.
[06:08] <Carsten_> !irc
[06:08] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[06:13] <keb> what do i need avahi-daemon for? the xubuntu desktop depends on it but i don't have any printers to share
[06:59] <Nick^69> hi all
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> keb: It's not just for printers - it's a generic Zeroconf service discovery daemon.
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> If you don't need it, though, you can just disable it.
[07:15] <keb> ok. what services does it discover that i don't know about
[07:15] <keb> or more to the point, what services won't work without it
[07:15] <TheSheep> keb: macintosh ad hoc networks :)
[07:16] <hyper_ch> hiho
[07:16] <keb> ok i'm ununstalling it
[07:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: hello there young lad
[07:16] <keb> thanks
[07:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: *smile* I wrote another small little tutorial :) something I struggled with the last two days :)
[07:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: do tell
[07:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how to encrypt a disk in feisty with dm-crypt and luks :)
[07:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: oh, wow, I've been meaning to investigate that myself someday
[07:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: it's not yet published with a perm link but have a look :  http://www.howtoforge.com/node/2070
[07:18] <hyper_ch> also submitted it to the tutorials section on ubuntuforums.org :) but there it'll take a little longer
[07:19] <hyper_ch> have a look :) comments are welcomed :)
[07:21] <doug1> Two successive burn errors (per K3B verify of written data) on Xubuntu Feisty Beta Alternate Install.  Verified the .iso against the MD5SUMS file before burn.
[07:21] <doug1> Both CDs also failed Xubuntu's verify CD function.  "Integrity test failed.  The .pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic_2.6.20.3-12.11_i386.deb file failes the MD5..."
[07:21] <doug1> Didn't record other CD's error, but believe it failed on same file.
[07:21] <doug1> Never had burn errors on this DVD-RW or the first 70 discs from this spindle of CD-R discs.
[07:23] <hyper_ch> doug1: tried to burn slower?
[07:24] <doug1> Let K3B pick speed automatically, as usual.  Never had problem with any other distro (including Ubuntu Feisty Alphas) or music disks.  Only Xubuntu Feisty.
[07:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'd remove the parts you're not sure form the 'legal considerations' entirely
[07:26] <hyper_ch> sure about?
[07:27] <hyper_ch> what do you mean where I'm not sure about?
[07:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I know the laws here in Switzerland (that's what I've been studying the last 5 years) and I know the ECHR.... however in the US a court can order you to reveal passwords and you can expect negative consequences if you don't :)
[07:29] <hyper_ch> and why does dd if=/dev/urandom take so long?
[07:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I'll rephrase a few things
[07:46] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I did now rephrase the legal stuff :)
[07:47] <keb> i hate legal stuff
[07:49] <Spencer> Hi
[07:50] <Spencer> on xubuntu my screen saver turn on no matter if I'm active or not.
[07:50] <Spencer> Is there a fix for thsi?
[07:50] <Spencer> *this
[07:53] <hyper_ch> keb: legal stuff gives me $$$
[07:53] <keb> ok its not so bad then
[07:54] <keb> i just wish everyone would share freely
[07:54] <hyper_ch> freely share what?
[07:55] <keb> everything online
[07:55] <Lsi> Oi. I'm wondering what's that small but somewhat annoying voice anytime I do anything. The more CPU is under siege, the more that sound.. mm.. sounds.. Voice is coming from soundcard and I have seen, would I say heard, it happening only on xfce-environment. Any clues wherefrom I could switch it off?
[07:55] <hyper_ch> keb: download the presentation at the end of this site:   http://www.mindjack.com/feature/piracy051305.html
[07:55] <keb> thanks
[07:56] <hyper_ch> Lsi: no clue
[07:57] <hyper_ch> Spencer: it doesn't happen to me
[07:57] <keb> Lsi did you try running alsamixer in a terminal, maybe one of the audio devices needs muting
[07:57] <Spencer> ok
[07:57] <Lsi> maybe, I did but didn't find anything useful.
[07:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sorry, I'm behind a really crappy wireless network
[07:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I keep getting disconnected :(
[07:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: no problem :)
[07:58] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: oh, that is a problem - for you
[08:01] <Lsi> keb: oh, I checked if I had missed something and by muting my mic boost it went off.. :)
[08:01] <keb> heh
[08:02] <keb> does that mean your mic is always on?
[08:03] <Lsi> Always recording something
[08:11] <clarklinux> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[08:11] <clarklinux> oops
[08:11] <clarklinux> sorry, disregard that
[08:12] <clarklinux> hi: i'm running xubuntu edgy on a powerbook g3 laptop. I'm tring to get my sonnets aria extreme card working on it, but I don't know how. I have network manager installed but it only recognizes a wired connection. can anybody help me?
[08:29] <keb> clarklinux does lspci show the card ?
[08:49] <clarklinux> hi: im trying to get my sonnets aria extreme wifi card to work on my powerbook g3 laptop running xubuntu edgy. Im following the instructions on ubuntus wifidocs, and Im up to the part where I have to plug in my wifi card and test the connection. however, whenever I put my wifi card into the pc card slot, every program or process that is network related hangs up. for instance, network manager exits and iwconfig hangs up interminabl
[09:00] <onodevo> What is the proper way to install perl modules for the entire system using CPAN?
[09:02] <clarklinux> can anybody help me with my wifi card?
[09:06] <magic_ninja> hey, i keep getting an error when i try to burn with k3b, its "unable to fixate disk"
[09:06] <magic_ninja> using k3b with ubuntu edgy 6.10
[09:11] <magic_ninja> !raw
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <magic_ninja> !fixate
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <Pumpernickel> clarklinux: http://tinyurl.com/2wk6ss
[09:17] <magic_ninja> what does unable to fixate disk mean
[09:18] <magic_ninja> when burning an ISO in k3b
[09:18] <magic_ninja> i can't even find ne google stuff on this error
[09:22] <dougz> Thank you!  Earlier, hyper_ch suggested that I could solve my CD integrity issue by burning more slowly.  That worked -- both K3B and Xubuntu verified the CD as correct.  However, I am now failing at the "Select and Install Software" step (Feisty alternate install beta) and there doesn't appear to be any diagnostic info.  Suggestions?
[09:23] <magic_ninja> lol, its a rough one
[09:23] <hyper_ch> dougz: I tend to think the feisty alternate install is still buggy (at least herd5 was when it came to the partitioner) - for feisty I recommend using the desktop cd
[09:23] <hyper_ch> for edgy the alternate
[09:26] <dougz> hyper_ch Thank you.  I've had lots of issues with the desktop installers in Dapper and came to distrust them.  Also, I need to apply a .deb driver update due to a 3dfx bug introduced in Dapper and still not fixed in the Feisty alphas.  Will look into the desktop installer.
[09:26] <hyper_ch> dougz: or get a server install and then fetch xubuntu-desktop from the online repositories :)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> dougz: However desktop cd is more confortable (if it works) than the server one
[09:27] <Spencer> Hi
[09:27] <Spencer> my ethernet controller doesn't seem to have default drivers
[09:27] <Spencer> how can I get drivers for my ethernet port
[09:27] <magic_ninja> whats your ethernet driver
[09:27] <magic_ninja> grr
[09:28] <magic_ninja> ur card
[09:28] <Spencer> I'm running an iMac 233 MHz
[09:28] <dougz> hyper_ch: Will server install plus xubuntu-desktop (from Feisty repositories) give the same result as a Feisty beta install?
[09:29] <hyper_ch> dougz: no, it will not add all the default applications
[09:29] <magic_ninja> !cdrecord
[09:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrecord - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:29] <magic_ninja> !burn
[09:29] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[09:29] <dougz> Thank you!
[09:30] <hyper_ch> dougz: but you can manually install them afterwards :)
[09:34] <hyper_ch> debian etch out as stable now :)
[09:45] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[09:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:47] <clarklinux> can someone please help me with my wireless network card?
[09:47] <clarklinux> it freezes up the computer
[09:47] <clarklinux> when i plug it in
[09:49] <hyper_ch> usb card?
[09:50] <clarklinux> pc-card
[09:50] <clarklinux> i found out more specifically what it's doing
[09:50] <clarklinux> it won't let me use sudo or su
[09:50] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, did you try inserting other pc cards?
[09:50] <clarklinux> when I try to it just hangs up
[09:51] <clarklinux> maximilian1st: nope, I dont have any other pc cards to try
[09:51] <hyper_ch> it shouldn't freeze the computer... hmmm.
[09:52] <Maximilian1st> Does it freeze when you type sudo or just after inserting it?
[09:52] <clarklinux> after sudo
[09:52] <clarklinux> the big problem is taht I can't do anything now with configureation
[09:52] <clarklinux> i want to do modprobe bcm43xx
[09:52] <clarklinux> then iwconfig
[09:52] <clarklinux> I'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsAriaextreme
[09:52] <Maximilian1st> What if you sudo su and then insert your card?
[09:53] <clarklinux> I tried it...then I just can't do anything from sudo
[09:53] <clarklinux> or su
[09:53] <clarklinux> even though I'm in it
[09:53] <clarklinux> also, when I insert the card, network manager exits (crashes?) but it is still listed as a process run by root
[09:54] <Maximilian1st> I could be wrong but you don't need to "sudo" anything once you done sudo su.
[09:54] <clarklinux> haven't tried the command sudo su
[09:54] <clarklinux> lemme try
[09:54] <Maximilian1st> The point of doing sudo is to get root priviledge.
[09:54] <clarklinux> righjt
[09:55] <Maximilian1st> By doing sudo su you log yourself as root
[09:55] <Maximilian1st> So you don't need to sudo anything anymore.
[09:55] <clarklinux> its curious why it would do that
[09:55] <clarklinux> i'm restarting the laptop right now to try that
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, Is your laptop still booting?
[10:00] <clarklinux> nope
[10:01] <clarklinux> its up now...so I did sudo su, then plugged in the card, now I'm going to try modprobe + iwconfig
[10:02] <clarklinux> oaky
[10:02] <clarklinux> modprobe worked
[10:02] <clarklinux> iwconifg didn't
[10:02] <clarklinux> it's hung on it
[10:02] <Chil1> Hello
[10:02] <Maximilian1st> And is the laptop frozen?
[10:03] <clarklinux> no the laptop isn't
[10:03] <clarklinux> but nothing is happening
[10:03] <Maximilian1st> And outside?
[10:03] <clarklinux> iwconfig is not turning anything up
[10:03] <Maximilian1st> and ifconfig?
[10:03] <Chil1> I'm completely new to Ubuntu altogether, but I've really been wanting to try it for a while...any tips for someone who knows nothing about it?
[10:03] <clarklinux> whats ifconfig
[10:04] <Maximilian1st> Chil1, Read the manual. That's a very good tip and you owe me one for it.
[10:04] <Chil1> Another question, automatix or easyubuntu?
[10:04] <Maximilian1st> I don't use them...
[10:05] <Maximilian1st> try one.
[10:05] <clarklinux> maximilian1st: su says: su: Authentication failure
[10:05] <Maximilian1st> but you are already root.
[10:05] <Maximilian1st> what do you want to su to?
[10:05] <clarklinux> had to start a new terminal
[10:05] <clarklinux> iwconfig hung up
[10:05] <clarklinux> well
[10:05] <clarklinux> actually
[10:05] <Maximilian1st> you don't know
[10:05] <clarklinux> how do you cancel a command
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> ctrl+c
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> should work.
[10:06] <clarklinux> usually iwconfig comes up quick
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> Are you using Terminal, the one from Xfce?
[10:06] <clarklinux> nah that didn't work
[10:06] <clarklinux> yes, I am
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> You can have tabs
[10:06] <clarklinux> i know
[10:06] <Maximilian1st> ctrl+shift +t
[10:07] <clarklinux> that just opens a user terminal
[10:07] <Maximilian1st> that way you can kill a frozen tab in case.
[10:07] <clarklinux> right i know
[10:07] <Maximilian1st> create a tab with root
[10:07] <clarklinux> do you have any clue why this is happening? with the su and all?
[10:07] <clarklinux> i cannot, su isn't working because i plugged in the card
[10:08] <Spencer> my internet connection still does not work even though ifconfig shows that eth0 is up and running
[10:08] <Maximilian1st> And what happens when you plug out the card?
[10:08] <Spencer> what should I do
[10:08] <clarklinux> su stays unusable until i restart
[10:09] <Chil1> Anyone use automatix or easyubuntu?
[10:10] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, I don't know why it hangs. Try searching the forum or google for similar laptops and ubuntu or just plain linux.
[10:11] <clarklinux> k
[10:11] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, Your best bet is to look for articles with the same laptop and see how they did it.
[10:12] <hyper_ch> clarklinux: or rather search for your wifi model - you know what model you've got?
[10:14] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, Do you use a wireless card?
[10:14] <Maximilian1st> If so do you use NetworkManager?
[10:15] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: I use the default one
[10:15] <Maximilian1st> Is that NM?
[10:15] <clarklinux> hyper_ch: i've been following a guide for my exact wifi model and exact laptop model...but i have no idea why this is happening
[10:15] <clarklinux> i think i have an idea
[10:15] <clarklinux> when i first installed xubuntu
[10:16] <hyper_ch> clarklinux: clarklinuxno clue then
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: nm?
[10:16] <clarklinux> i went through the gnome network config thing and enabled the hard
[10:16] <clarklinux> *card
[10:16] <Maximilian1st> Network Manager
[10:16] <clarklinux> no
[10:16] <clarklinux> not that
[10:16] <clarklinux> i installed that later
[10:16] <clarklinux> the one under applications -> system -> networking
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: the default one that came with xfce... that's the one I use
[10:17] <clarklinux> yes, that one
[10:17] <clarklinux> what file does that configure
[10:17] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, you mean the wireless panel plugin?
[10:17] <clarklinux> can I disable the card manually through the file that it configures?
[10:17] <clarklinux> at the time that I enabled it through the gui, i did not have the proper drivers
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: what are you talking about??
[10:18] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: the default one that came with xfce... that's the one I use
[10:18] <Maximilian1st> What is the default one that came with Xfce?
[10:18] <clarklinux> is tehre a text file somewhere that the default network management system that comes with xfce controls?
[10:18] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: yes, that's the one I use.... the one under applicatiosn --> system --> network
[10:19] <clarklinux> hyper_ch: does that program manipulate a specific text file somewhere?
[10:19] <Maximilian1st> AAaaaaahhhhhhhhh ok.
[10:19] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, Yes
[10:19] <clarklinux> which one?
[10:19] <hyper_ch> clarklinux:  /etc/network/interfaces
[10:19] <Maximilian1st> it does manipulate the /etc/interfaces
[10:19] <clarklinux> thank you
[10:19] <Maximilian1st> network/interfaces yes.
[10:19] <clarklinux> i think i might be on to something...i might not be but i've spent so many hours on this i don't even care haha
[10:20] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, sorry for the misunderstanding.
[10:21] <Maximilian1st> I just began using NetworkManager because I move in different places with my notebook.
[10:21] <Chil1> Hmm, so...I can't get my sound setup, any ideas?
[10:23] <hyper_ch> Chil1: I have a problem, can you help?
[10:23] <clarklinux> this is so lame of me...how do I edit a file through terminal?
[10:23] <Maximilian1st> Me too please
[10:24] <clarklinux> nano -w file?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> clarklinux: sudo nano /path/to/file
[10:24] <Maximilian1st> clarklinux, that is right
[10:24] <hyper_ch> sudo if you don't have write permissions
[10:24] <hyper_ch> the -w isn't required
[10:26] <clarklinux> YESSS!
[10:26] <clarklinux> i fixed it
[10:26] <clarklinux> now i can use su and sudo with my card in
[10:26] <clarklinux> thanks guys
[10:26] <clarklinux> now for getting it to work haha
[10:26] <clarklinux> bye for now
[10:27] <BFTD> bye!!
[10:27] <Mordicus> hi !
[10:27] <Mordicus> I trying to restore my Xubuntu system, may I get some help ?
[10:27] <Mordicus> I entered the recovery mode but I'm not sure what to do...
[10:28] <BFTD> what went wrong?
[10:29] <Mordicus> I updated my xubuntu (fiesty) and than the system could not boot anymore...
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: do you have a sata dribe?
[10:29] <Mordicus> I get strange error messages
[10:29] <Mordicus> no, it's a laptop with IDE hard disk
[10:30] <hyper_ch> what error did you get?
[10:30] <Mordicus> hmmm... wait I must reboot to report it
[10:33] <Mordicus> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/(long number) does not exist. Dropping to a shell !
[10:33] <Mordicus> [...] 
[10:33] <Mordicus> /bin/sh: cant' access tty; job control turned off
[10:33] <Mordicus> (initramfs)
[10:33] <Mordicus> and then nothing happen!
[10:33] <hyper_ch> I see :)
[10:33] <Mordicus> really ? :o
[10:33] <Mordicus> I am lost ! :s
[10:33] <hyper_ch> yes
[10:34] <BFTD> hrm
[10:34] <hyper_ch> do you have a desktop cd around that you can boot into?
[10:34] <BFTD> did he format his HDD?
[10:34] <Mordicus> yes, an alternate CD
[10:34] <Mordicus> alternate installation CD
[10:34] <hyper_ch> well, recovery mode is fine
[10:34] <hyper_ch> we just need a shell to fix the fstab :)
[10:35] <hyper_ch> BFTD: sounds like the uuid changed somehow with the upgrade...
[10:35] <Mordicus> ok, so I boot from the CD
[10:35] <BFTD> hyper_ch, that what I'm thinking too
[10:35] <hyper_ch> I had a simliar problem with herd2
[10:35] <hyper_ch> suddenly mixing the ide and sata drives
[10:35] <Mordicus> I am a linux newbie, I can't use the recovery mode
[10:36] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: do you have a desktop cd available?
[10:36] <hyper_ch> that you can run the live version?
[10:36] <morpheus74> I'm trying Xubuntu 7.04 with the live CD, but I cannot see the top or bottom panel.  Any ideas?
[10:36] <hyper_ch> without the panels you can't open a terminal
[10:36] <Mordicus> I am currently booting from the liveCD (alternate CD, not desktop)
[10:36] <hyper_ch> and without terminal things can be fixed
[10:37] <BFTD> morpheus74, alt+F2
[10:37] <hyper_ch> liveCD=desktopCD
[10:37] <Mordicus> I launched the recovery mode
[10:37] <hyper_ch> didn't know that BFTD ^^
[10:37] <BFTD> morpheus74, then type in "xfpanel" or "xfce4-panel"
[10:37] <Mordicus> I entered the shell mode : busybox...
[10:38] <Mordicus> is it ok ?
[10:38] <BFTD> or "xf4-panel"
[10:38] <BFTD> its one of those
[10:38] <morpheus74> BFTD, alt+f2 brings up a "run program" box.  Does 7.04 not have the top and bottom panel, or is my resolution possible set so I just cannot see them?
[10:38] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: where are you now
[10:39] <BFTD> morpheus74, I'm guessing that the pannels just didn't start
[10:39] <Mordicus> in the BusyBox v1.1.3
[10:39] <hyper_ch> what's busybox?
[10:39] <BFTD> morpheus74, it happens sometimes
[10:39] <hyper_ch> is that a shell terminal?
[10:39] <Mordicus> huh... a shell ?
[10:39] <hyper_ch> ok, type:   sudo fdisk -l
[10:39] <Mordicus> built-in shell (ash)
[10:39] <morpheus74> I'm debating if I should install 7.04 beta, or burn a copy of 6.10.  Are you aware of any major bugs in 7.04 beta?
[10:40] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: sudo : not found
[10:40] <hyper_ch> then just    fdisk -l
[10:40] <hyper_ch> there's still bug no. 1 on launchpad
[10:40] <hyper_ch> but that cannot be attributed to feisty alone
[10:40] <Mordicus> fdisk not found
[10:40] <BFTD> morpheus74, it should be fine if you're using the latest one
[10:41] <hyper_ch> get a real live cd :)
[10:41] <morpheus74> I'll try to install to my HD and see if this fixes the issue with the panels not appearing.
[10:41] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: if it's not Feisty is it ok ?
[10:41] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: yes it is ok :)
[10:41] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: all I need is a normal shell :)
[10:43] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok I have a liveCD... what kind of boot I must run? Install in text mode? install a command line system ?
[10:43] <Mordicus> (or this is another alternate CD -_-)
[10:43] <hyper_ch> text mode is another alternate
[10:43] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok.. looking for another ! :D
[10:44] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, I found a ubuntu liveCD (not xubuntu)
[10:44] <hyper_ch> doesn't matter
[10:46] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: xubuntu liveCD is starting (it's quite slow because my DVD-rom is tired :'()
[10:46] <hyper_ch> don't worry :)
[10:47] <morpheus74> I noticed on the install my hard drives show up as /dev/sda, not /dev/hda as I'm use to.  Any ideas?
[10:48] <BFTD> morpheus74, its either a SATA or a super fast SCSI
[10:48] <morpheus74> BFTD, I'm pretty sure these are just ide drives.
[10:49] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: feisty doesn't use hda/b/c/d/... for sata but sda/b/c/d/...
[10:49] <BFTD> morpheus74, open up the case and see
[10:49] <BFTD> unless its a lappy
[10:50] <morpheus74> BFTD, No, it's a desktop pc, but how can I tell the difference between scsi, sata, or ide?
[10:51] <hyper_ch> I can tell the difference between sata and ide... but never seen scsi
[10:51] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:51] <BFTD> SCSI will be a really loud HDD, IDE will usually have a wide grey cable, which the CD/DVD drives usually use, SATA uses a small cable
[10:51] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok ! the liveCD booted and I started the terminal :)
[10:51] <hyper_ch> the plug on ide is two rows with seperate "pins"
[10:51] <hyper_ch> and the plug on sata is one line in a L-shape
[10:52] <morpheus74> How do you recommend partition the hd?  I use to have 8gig for root, 11 gigs for home, and 1 gig for swap.  Does this sound alright?
[10:52] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: then enter  sudo fdisk -l   and pastebin the output
[10:52] <BFTD> morpheus74, sounds great
[10:52] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: and also pastebin the content of   /etc/fstab   :)
[10:53] <morpheus74> My hard drives are IDE - they have two rows of pins, and use the same cable as the CD Rom Drive.  Is it alright that fiesty thinks they are sata?
[10:53] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I cannot paste it because it is from another computer...
[10:53] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: but there are 4 partitions
[10:54] <hyper_ch> !paste | mordicus
[10:54] <ubotu> mordicus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:54] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: and you should have a gnomeirc available on the live-cd :)
[10:55] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: feisty should see that as hdX...
[10:55] <morpheus74> hyper_ch, That's what I thought.
[10:55] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: interesting :)
[10:56] <BFTD> yeah thats weird
[10:57] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14618/
[10:58] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: please pastebin now also the content of the file   /etc/fstab
[10:59] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: sorry :)
[10:59] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: stop
[10:59] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:59] <hyper_ch> do this:   sudo mkdir /media/hda2
[10:59] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: then:     sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
[11:00] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: then   sudo nano /media/hda2/etc/fstab
[11:00] <hyper_ch> and pastebin that
[11:02] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14619/
[11:03] <hyper_ch> ok, I see the problem now
[11:03] <hyper_ch> you see, you always have two lines
[11:03] <hyper_ch> first one # /dev/sdaX
[11:04] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: you're great! I do not understand any word! :D
[11:04] <hyper_ch> and then UUID= ......
[11:04] <Mordicus> yes
[11:04] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: what I must do ?
[11:04] <hyper_ch> I'm giving you the code
[11:07] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: try this here instead:   http://phpfi.com/224941
[11:08] <hyper_ch> I'm not sure about the cd-rom
[11:08] <hyper_ch> but with that you should be able to run feisty now :)
[11:11] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: how to save the change made in fstab file? I do not see any "save" option in the menu :s
[11:12] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: make sure that the line starting with   /dev/hda2  is one line
[11:12] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: sorry I found !
[11:12] <hyper_ch> then press   ctrl-x (for exit nano) and you'll then be asked whether you want to save
[11:12] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok done
[11:13] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I must reboot now ?
[11:13] <hyper_ch> well, now try to start - as said, very likely the cdrom isn't working properly... we'll have to test with that one
[11:13] <hyper_ch> yes, reboot
[11:14] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, rebooting !
[11:14] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:15] <dougz> Running Beta Desktop.  Verified MD5 written with K3B.  However, when I boot Xubuntu with either "Check CD" or "Safe VGA," I get dumped into an ash prompt.  When I boot with "Install with Driver Update CD" the Xubuntu logo is the last thing I see (with progress bar going left, right, etc).  Need to install 3dfx driver patch .deb.  Is Server install my only option?
[11:16] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I get the same error message :s
[11:16] <hyper_ch> dougz: no clue then :(
[11:17] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: hmmm :( boot again into the live cd
[11:17] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok
[11:18] <dougz> Thanks for your time!  IMHO, Ubuntu quality has been slipping since Dapper...
[11:19] <hyper_ch> dougz: nah, not really :)
[11:19] <morpheus74> I cannot see the top or bottom panel, how can I exit from Xubuntu?
[11:20] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: ???
[11:20] <hyper_ch> have you booted into the live cd now?
[11:21] <morpheus74> I'm running Xubuntu firsty beta from the live CD, I want to shut down the computer.
[11:21] <morpheus74> But I cannot see the panel with the "shut down" icon.
[11:21] <hyper_ch> hmmm....
[11:22] <hyper_ch> press   ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:22] <hyper_ch> that should kill the xserver
[11:22] <morpheus74> All I have is a blue background with 6 icons down the left side(floppy, trash, home, file sys, examples, and install)
[11:22] <hyper_ch> and then you are at the command prompt
[11:22] <hyper_ch> and there you can enter sudo shutdown
[11:22] <hyper_ch> or sudo reboot
[11:24] <morpheus74> ctrl-alt-backspace brings me to screen showing the starting  programs (mounting local filesystem  [OK] , etc)
[11:24] <hyper_ch> ???
[11:24] <hyper_ch> strange
[11:24] <hyper_ch> what do you see exactely?
[11:25] <morpheus74> The screen that typically shows at boot up, showing all the process that are starting.
[11:25] <hyper_ch> well, and you are now at a prompt there wher you can enter commands?
[11:26] <morpheus74> No, there is no prompt.
[11:26] <hyper_ch> what happens if you press alt-f2 ?
[11:27] <morpheus74> I now have a blinking cursor, but cannot type anything into the screen.
[11:27] <hyper_ch> ok, maybe it's the live cd.... you can just turn the power off
[11:27] <morpheus74> Will it hurt the pc to pull the plug?
[11:27] <hyper_ch> the life cd hasn't altered anything
[11:27] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I'm back to the liveCD but I do not see the upper menu bar with the terminal... where can I find the terminal icon in the Files System ?
[11:28] <morpheus74> I checked the md5 and it says the CD downloaded correctly.  I'm going to try this same CD in my other PC and see what happens.
[11:29] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: hmmm.... no clue....
[11:29] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: why doesn't it work now for you
[11:29] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: it did before
[11:29] <Sako> hyper_ch: I sometimes happen :s
[11:30] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: try to press alt-f2
[11:30] <hyper_ch> do you get a terminal there where you can enter anything?
[11:30] <Sako> hyper_ch: it's me, Mordicus, on another PC...
[11:31] <hyper_ch> Sako: ok, do you have access now to a terminal?
[11:31] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, I get the terminal now ! :)
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: good, first we need to make  a new dir for mounting the partition
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: sudo mkdir /media/hda2
[11:32] <Mordicus> ok
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: then we mount the partition
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: then we open the fstab file
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: sudo nano /media/hda/etc/fstab
[11:33] <hyper_ch> can you pastebin exactely what you have got in there?
[11:34] <Mordicus> it is empty O_O
[11:34] <hyper_ch> sorry
[11:34] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: sudo nano /media/hda2/etc/fstab
[11:34] <hyper_ch> that's it :)
[11:35] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok ! :)
[11:35] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I get exactly what I pasted last time
[11:35] <hyper_ch> paste it again
[11:35] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: http://phpfi.com/224941
[11:36] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, I must try to launch firefox (i have no icon)
[11:36] <hyper_ch> ok, please change hda2 to sda2
[11:36] <hyper_ch> hda3 to sda3
[11:36] <hyper_ch> hda1 to sda1
[11:36] <hyper_ch> and hdd to sdd
[11:37] <hyper_ch> make sure there is no line break in an entry (the first one with hda2 could make a line break)
[11:37] <hyper_ch> then save the file and reboot :)
[11:37] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I do not change fd0 ?
[11:37] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: no, that is correct
[11:37] <BFTD> dum dee doo dum
[11:37] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, I do not see any line break ! :)
[11:38] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: good, good
[11:38] <hyper_ch> then save the file and reboot :)
[11:38] <hyper_ch> or pastebin the new version first
[11:38] <hyper_ch> oh oh oh
[11:39] <hyper_ch> check that the swap entry at the end has two  "0" sepearted by a tab each
[11:39] <hyper_ch>  none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:39] <hyper_ch> and also that fd0 at the end has those two 0
[11:40] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14625/
[11:40] <hyper_ch> check the swap and fd0 entry
[11:40] <hyper_ch> fd0 only has one 0
[11:40] <hyper_ch> and for the swap I don't see the whole line
[11:41] <hyper_ch> then save the file and reboot
[11:41] <hyper_ch> :)
[11:41] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: there is an error with fd0 in my pastebin ???
[11:41] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: yes there is
[11:41] <hyper_ch> it only has 1 "0"
[11:41] <Mordicus> i must add 1 "0" ?
[11:42] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: one more ?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> yes, it needs to have two of them
[11:42] <hyper_ch> look at the other entries
[11:42] <hyper_ch> and also check the swap entry
[11:42] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: how many spaces between two "0" ? not important ?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> just a TAB
[11:43] <hyper_ch> (the key above the caps lock)
[11:43] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok ! :)
[11:43] <hyper_ch> then save and reboot :)
[11:43] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: and the line with swap should look like this :
[11:44] <Mordicus> !/dev/sda1  none            swap    sw           $
[11:44] <hyper_ch> you see, there's a $ at the end
[11:44] <hyper_ch> so the line continues :)
[11:44] <Mordicus> !/dev/sda1  none            swap    sw           0         0
[11:44] <hyper_ch> yes, that looks good :)
[11:44] <hyper_ch> save and exit and reboot now :)
[11:44] <morpheus74> Ok, this is weird.  I received the same results on my other computer (a new emachine).  Xubuntu loaded, but did not load the top or bottom panel.  I was able to right click on an icon and say, "open terminal window here".  From in the terminal window, I typed sudo shutdown now.  After it said computer is shutting down, I was brought to a black screen with a prompt (a terminal window).  I typed exit, and I was immediately thrown b
[11:44] <morpheus74> ack into the Xubuntu gui desk top, but this time with the top and bottom panel, but my mouse would not work.  This is like a bad dream!
[11:45] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: well, liveCDs aren't 100% reliable.... they are there to give an impression
[11:45] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: you can still go ahead and install it if you want to try
[11:47] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I rebooted... same error on boot ! :'(
[11:47] <hyper_ch> can you type the error again?
[11:47] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: shall I reinstall the system ?
[11:47] <Mordicus> yes
[11:47] <Mordicus> wait a second
[11:50] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: you can now open a terminal in the live cd?
[11:50] <Chil1> Hmm, anyone know why my sound isn't working?
[11:51] <crimsun> Chil1: I don't know, you didn't utter the magick incantation?
[11:51] <hyper_ch> Chil1: because the computer doesn't like you?
[11:51] <crimsun> are we supposed to guess your hardware & configuration? Use pastebin for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:52] <hyper_ch> Chil1: not be offensiv but not giving out anything doesn't help at getting the problems solved
[11:52] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14629/
[11:53] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I copied the full error message
[11:53] <hyper_ch> well, I have no clue what causes that
[11:54] <hyper_ch> it should already have been working before we started altering things
[11:54] <hyper_ch> and after we did alter things it should have worked also
[11:54] <hyper_ch> I'm at a loss
[11:54] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I should reinstall then  ?
[11:54] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: probably yes
[11:54] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: maybe I made some mistakes, I am a linux noob :'(
[11:55] <hyper_ch> Mordicus: the setup process is pretty simple - you can't make many mistakes there (except for erasing your windows partition)
[11:55] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok, so I will reinstall, thank you for your precious help anyway, i really appreciate it! :)
[11:55] <hyper_ch> good luck :)
[11:55] <hyper_ch> I'm off to bed now
[11:55] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: thanks ! :)
[11:55] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: goodnight !
[11:56] <hyper_ch> you have have problems you can also ask in #ubuntu and #kubuntu as this is not an Xfce related problem
[11:56] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: ok !
[11:56] <hyper_ch> good luck
[11:56] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: I will win ! :D
[11:57] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: against the machine ! :p
[11:57] <hyper_ch> tu vais accomplir :)
[11:57] <morpheus74> hyper_ch, Yes, I can now open a terminal window.  Do you think if I install it, it will work as it's suppose to, or do you think I should install a stable version?
[11:57] <hyper_ch> tu vas russir :)
[11:57] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: :D
[11:57] <Mordicus> hyper_ch: merci !
[11:57] <hyper_ch> de rien
[11:58] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: enter:     xfce4-panel
[11:58] <morpheus74> Where should I enter that, in the terminal?
[11:58] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: yes
[11:58] <morpheus74> hyper_ch, Ok, just a moment, I'm rebooting.
[12:07] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: still here?
[12:07] <morpheus74> hyper_ch, Alright!  When I enter the command, xfce4-panel, the panels appear.  Does this provide any clue as to what's going on?
[12:07] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: I guess just something about your hardware configuration and the live-cd....
[12:08] <morpheus74> Sorry it took me awhile, I have some older hardware that takes forever to boot.
[12:08] <hyper_ch> morpheus74: so, I'm off to bed
[12:08] <hyper_ch> cya
[12:08] <morpheus74> Thanks!