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[02:42] <jhutchins> Sorry for the test guys, probably should have said something here first.
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[02:44] <jams> manchicken- ever work at a place called edventions?
[02:44] <manchicken> Yup.
[02:44] <manchicken> For 4 months.
[02:44] <manchicken> Had to quit though.  Killed my health commuting so much.
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[02:45] <manchicken> I was living on the south side of Chicago, and commuting to Skokie was like 2-2.5 hours commute one-way.
[02:48] <jams> Thought so,  your name look familiar
[02:56] <manchicken> Did you?
[03:07] <jams> yeah i was there for a year or so, till they were bought out
[03:17] <manchicken> Didn't know they were bought.
[03:17] <manchicken> Were you there when I was?
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[03:18] <manchicken> I thought that edventions just tanked.
[03:18] <manchicken> heh
[03:18] <manchicken> I didn't get much respect there.
[03:18] <jjesse> evening
[03:18] <manchicken> Boss was a great guy, but he treated me like an intern.
[03:19] <manchicken> Later found out he was paying me not much better than an intern.  heh
[03:19] <manchicken> jjesse: Howdy?
[03:19] <jjesse> howdy
[03:20] <jjesse> dang it got my virtual machines all messed up
[03:21] <manchicken> What did?
[03:21] <jjesse> i did
[03:21] <manchicken> heh
[03:22] <manchicken> Don't you hate it when things break and it's all your fault?
[03:22] <manchicken> That never happens to me.
[03:22] <manchicken> Especially not with adept ;)
[03:23] <manchicken> Which reminds me...
[03:23] <manchicken> I should be hacking right now.
[03:23] <manchicken> I tell you, bzr is definitely growing on me.
[03:23] <jjesse> bzr is soemthing I haven't really learned yet
[03:26] <jams> yeah steve is a decent guy.
[03:26] <jams> anyway gotta run...
[03:26] <manchicken> jams: Later.
[03:26] <manchicken> Have fun.
[03:26] <manchicken> jjesse: It's very similar to svn and cvs.
[03:26] <manchicken> More svn than cvs
[03:26] <jjesse> yeah i know i use svn all the time w/ ubuntu-docs stuff
[03:27] <jjesse> what i need to do is figure out hows to host some doc work i want to do in bzr
[03:29] <ryanakca> push it to lp...
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[03:29] <jjesse> ryanakca: i read a blog entry on how to do it, just need to get it done :)
[03:30] <ryanakca> http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
[03:30] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[03:30] <jjesse> thanks for the linke again anyways
[03:30] <ryanakca> takes a grand total of about 17 seconds
[03:30] <ryanakca> only thing I wish about bzr was that it was even faster
[03:30] <ryanakca> it's faster than what it used to be... but... still not as fast as I'd be hoping
[03:31] <ryanakca> might just be my slow computer though :)
[03:31] <jjesse> ok
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[03:32] <jjesse> thanks ryanakca
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[04:11] <nixternal> what is the status on kde4 packages for feisty?
[04:11] <nixternal> is it going to happen?
[04:11] <jjesse> i thought at one time the libs would be there but there wouldn't be setup or something like?
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[04:12] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the ones going into universe?
[04:12] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[04:12] <nixternal> hiya jjesse and Hobbsee
[04:12] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I just want to sudo apt-get them if possible instead of trying to build them again from svn
[04:12] <nixternal> last time I tried they wouldn't build on Kubuntu for me
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nixternal the last snapshot is in universe
[04:12] <nixternal> from SVN
[04:12] <nixternal> is it
[04:13] <nixternal> well I will be darned
[04:13] <Hobbsee> but that's not the latest SVN - that was snapshot three
[04:13] <jjesse> nixternal: is that so you can do doc work?
[04:13] <nixternal> jjesse: that and work on KHelpCenter
[04:13] <jjesse> nixternal: ah
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i dont think anyone's had the time/manpower/motivation to do daily, or weekly builds and publish them in a repo
[04:14] <Hobbsee> we could rpboably do that on imbrandon's machines though, if we anted
[04:14] <Hobbsee> wanted
[04:14] <nixternal> hrmm, that would be cool
[04:14] <nixternal> weekly snaps
[04:15] <nixternal> I am getting tired of constantly rebuilding it on my bsd box
[04:18] <nixternal> alrighty, get kde4 now, thanks for letting me know they were in universe Hobbsee
[04:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> it's quite out of date though
[04:19] <jjesse> nixternal: maybe soemtime this week you can help me learn how to work on documentating kde4 :)
[04:19] <nixternal> jjesse: sure thing
[04:19] <jjesse> nixternal: the official ubuntu book is being translated into japanese :)
[04:19] <nixternal> tis a pain right now, we are going to dive in hardcore here in the next month
[04:20] <nixternal> nice, how did that book turnout and when do I get my copy ;p
[04:20] <jjesse> nixternal: ok i'd like to help :)
[04:20] <jjesse> book turned out nice and you get your copy as soon as i do :P
[04:20] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:20] <nixternal> none of my stuff made it in :(
[04:20] <jjesse> well suggestions you made to parts made it in
[04:20] <nixternal> well ok then :)
[04:21] <jjesse> and a lot of corrections you made
[04:21] <nixternal> I want to do a KDE distro review
[04:21] <nixternal> I have been downloading all of the top KDE distros
[04:21] <nixternal> my intertubes are plugged
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[05:03] <nixternal> heh, Konsole is about the only thing that worked in KDE4
[05:04] <nixternal> the shutdown dialog is quite nice in KDE 4 thus far
[05:05] <Lathiat> so the dialog to escape from it is the nicest portion? :)
[05:05] <nixternal> heh, that and the run dialog (alt+f2)
[05:06] <nixternal> I am not expecting much yet until sometime this summer
[05:06] <yuriy> would be cool to get koffice 2 builds too
[05:06] <yuriy> really curious to see some of the stuff i've read on planetkde
[05:06] <nixternal> annma said end of this month I think
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yuriy: indeed.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> yuriy: if you feel like writing a script to do it....cvsbuilddeb and such are good
[05:08] <manchicken> Time to see if I can find a reason why the sorting isn't working anymore.
[05:08] <yuriy> right now is hw 24/7 (rendering a blender animation right now.. yes, that's hw)
[05:09] <nixternal> manchicken: also, with adept, when you click the details while it installs, the size box that pops up is annoying as hell
[05:10] <manchicken> Yeah, I agree... though that's a lower priority IMHO.
[05:11] <yuriy> manchicken: don't remember if i've asked, what do you think of bug 44165?
[05:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 44165 in adept "cannot examine update details after end of updates" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44165
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[05:13] <manchicken> CRAP!  I need to get them to use my AmericanAirlines frequent flyer miles account with the Spain trip.  heh
[05:13] <yuriy> manchicken: basically is it possible to get the show last dpkg run option in the updater?
[05:13] <imbrandon> i'm going to bed, but yea i'm all for setting up some scripts for kde4 snaps on the buildd's ( i'll look into the details tomarrow )
[05:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nixternal ^^
[05:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool, thanks.  and svn konvi
[05:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: rock on!
[05:15] <manchicken> yuriy: I'd have to put some serious research into that one.
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[05:49] <manchicken> yuriy: I found the fix for the sorting issue.
[05:50] <manchicken> I put something out on the mailing list to ask if it was intentional..
[05:50] <manchicken> It looks awful intentional.
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[06:00] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you remember when we looked at openSUSE and how they had the search feature in KHelpCenter working?
[06:00] <nixternal> well, with 10.3 it doesn't work anymore
[06:00] <nixternal> heh
[06:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh.  that'd be right
[06:03] <nixternal> oh wow, the SUSE Konqueror main window (sysinfo:/) is nice, and it auto-updates as well
[06:04] <manchicken> Yeah, I don't like how they didn't put it in the menu though.
[06:04] <manchicken> It shouldn't be that hard to pull sysinfo into kubuntu though :)
[06:04] <nixternal> nope
[06:05] <nixternal> and create a cool front page like that, but I don't think we want to differentiate or deviate away from the KDE look to much, but I don't know 100% though
[06:06] <nixternal> so, the 2 things that would I like are 1) Konqureror sysinfo:/ and 2) the YaST layout and idea (an all-in-one control center) which I think is just a slight step up from System Settings
[06:07] <nixternal> other than that, kickoff, themes, kbfx (look wise) does not even appeal to me whatsoever. Kubuntu +1 :)
[06:11] <nixternal> I just don't get why we are higher on distro watch than the other KDE setups
[06:12] <nixternal> I think people like the Mepis and PCLinuxOS setups because it is by far the closes thing to Windows ootb with all of the non-free stuff
[06:12] <nixternal> Mepis and PCLinuxOS, even at their latest releast versions aren't as updated nor as lean and mean as Kubuntu
[06:12] <nixternal> Mepis releases this week (today?) with KDE 3.5.3 and 2.6.15 kernel
[06:13] <nixternal> I am guessing they are still releasing off of the Dapper release though
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[06:21] <crimsun> nixternal: makes sense from a support perspective
[06:21] <crimsun> it is our LTS.
[06:21] <nixternal> true
[06:22] <nixternal> dunno though, I think Kubuntu has churned out the best KDE implementation I have used, and I know I am probably biased, but...
[06:22] <nixternal> I thought Slackware was my all time favorite, Kubuntu is slowly removing that "favortism" I have always held
[06:23] <nixternal> my poor desktop has 8 different distros right now. Grub now offers "wtf?"
[06:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:25] <nixternal> Fedora Core 7, they have been saying how bad ass it is going to be. I dunno about you, but if you haven't changed your icon theme in like 10 years, something is wrong
[06:25] <nixternal> FC7 has amazing artwork though. I could sit there and stare at the stock wallpaper all day
[06:27] <crimsun> we were discussing this in -motu earlier, actually
[06:27] <yuriy> thing that's always got me about other distros like fedora are the fancy splash screens. usplash is looking better ever release, but still..
[06:28] <nixternal> I like the openSUSE usplash if that is what you want to call it
[06:28] <nixternal> Fedoras splash for GDM and KDM are still the same, just slightly different colored
[06:29] <nixternal> now the new login windows for KDM and GDM are slick, but they remind me to much of Aero
[06:31] <yuriy> i mean the pre-dm splash screens like usplash. fedora's looks nice
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[06:33] <nixternal> oh ya, it does look nice
[06:33] <nixternal> and I like their Grub splashes as well
[06:34] <nixternal> I liked the openSUSE 10.2 one that had the Christmas splash
[06:34] <nixternal> that was cool
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[08:25] <giangy> 'morning
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
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[11:29] <allee> Lure: digikamimageplugins 2:0.9.1-3 in now debian unstable with an lost-alpha-channel fix.  I assume a sync should be okay.  I can check tomorrow
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[11:30] <allee> bbl
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[03:00] <bddebian> Heya
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:01] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
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[03:25] <freeflying> hi all
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying!
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[04:33] <Hobbsee> what's it doing?
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[04:36] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I've been trying to get a server set up with kolab for the past 2 weeks
[04:36] <ryanakca> it alwais fails....
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[04:36] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:36] <ryanakca> Could I set up a poll for the kubuntu-members team to figure out which of the following groupware services in kontact they prefer?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> dont think polling actually works
[04:37] <ryanakca> http://kontact.org/groupwareservers.php
[04:37] <ryanakca> not yet?
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[04:37] <ryanakca> but then, I probably don't have the required 'permissions' to set one up for the team on LP, since I'm not an admin for the team
[04:38] <Hobbsee> well, it sorta does
[04:38] <ryanakca> ah :)
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[04:42] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... *makeshift poll*, would you prefer http://www.egroupware.org/ , or http://www.opengroupware.org/  as the Groupware server for k-devel?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> no idea
[04:44] <crimsun> the latter, hopefully.
[04:44] <crimsun> just my nonsensical $0.02
[04:44] <crimsun> "open" is a useful buzzstring
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[04:48] <ryanakca> crimsun: yeah... both are open... hmm... I'll try both out :)
[04:50] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/downloads.php.diff  <-- didn't know if you seen this yesterday, this fixes(cleans) up the downloads page on the website
[04:56] <Riddell> nixternal: applied, thanks
[04:56] <nixternal> groovy
[05:00] <sebas> Riddell: Any chance I can get an updated powermanager still into Feisty?
[05:00] <sebas> I fixed some low-hanging fruit
[05:01] <nixternal> Riddell: I will work to make the Dapper section the same when I get some more free time, possibly here soon with the next release
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[05:10] <Riddell> sebas: if you have a patch probably
[05:23] <sebas> Riddell: The last two revisions of powermanager contain those changes, among them a crash on startup (just committed)
[05:28] <giangy> sebas: have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/102345 ?
[05:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:32] <sebas> giangy: Yes, most probably HAL not getting it, too intrusive to push now anyways.
[05:33] <sebas> Mail sent, CC: kubuntu-devel.
[05:33] <sebas> Running out for dinner now.
[05:34] <sebas> :* every1
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[07:21] <Tm_T> ryanakca: hm
[07:27] <ryanakca> hey Tm_T
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[07:27] <ryanakca> we're going for egroupware now... an opensource one based on phpgroupware
[07:28] <ryanakca> debian has packages for it! Much better than all those 2 year old rpms for kolab
[07:28] <Riddell> debian has packages for kolab too
[07:28] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I'm trying to find groupware solution to my needs too
[07:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nods*... but, they're "unsupported" :(
[07:29] <Tm_T> ryanakca: my problem is, I have Kontact and MS Mobile Outlook, guess which one is the picky one
[07:30] <ryanakca> hmm... that's hard...
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[07:30] <ryanakca> dunno
[07:32] <Tm_T> ryanakca: well, very hard, looks like I sell this crap and buy some Linux device instead
[07:32] <ryanakca> yeah
[07:33] <Tm_T> but that's not yet so I do need some way to sync calendar
[07:34] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I should just get those data files and do some parsing, info is in plain text in middle of binary, or so it was when I looked it last time
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[07:44] <Goliath23_> hi
[07:46] <ryanakca> hey Goliath23_
[07:47] <Goliath23_> what is the kubuntu-way of configuring a dsl connection with connection sharing for the lan? I have my own iptables script that sets forwarding and used pppoeconf to configure the dsl provider. also knetworkmanager shows the connection but doesn't auto connect at startup. I'd like to know how the "normal" user is supposed to configure it. maybe I can look into the functionality if it's not there yet?
[07:48] <ryanakca> you might want to ask in #kubuntu
[07:50] <Goliath23_> hm. I don't have problems setting it up myself with hooking my iptables script in the if-up.d directory. so the question is: is there already a GUI for that in feisty (knetworkmanager) or is that a planned feature maybe?
[07:54] <Riddell> knet /might/ do it, but it's not maintained
[07:54] <Riddell> otherwise, no we don't really
[07:57] <Goliath23_> that's a pretty common use case I think. and since knetworkmanager handles DSL connections (at least here on my feisty) it seems logical to add the functionality for connection sharing, too, right? that would involve: 1. setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1
[07:58] <Goliath23_> 2. something like $iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $public_if -j MASQUERADE
[07:58] <Goliath23_> and setting the static ip address of the lan-network adapter to somthing like 192.168.0.1
[07:59] <Goliath23_> do you think that feasable? who is the maintainer of knetworkmanager?
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[09:09] <fdoving> Goliath23: guidedog does the forwarding part pretty well.
[09:09] <fdoving> needs to be installed though.
[09:09] <fdoving> it's a simple gui.
[09:10] <Goliath23> fdoving: I'll take a look, thanks#+
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[10:34] <mhb> hm, does the new launch feedback intend to replace the old one?
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[10:40] <Riddell> mhb: there's no new launch feedback
[10:42] <mhb> Riddell: well I meant the new one in Feisty
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[10:59] <Riddell> mhb: there's no new launch feedback in feisty
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