[12:24] <Eleaf> crimsun, I think so..
[12:24] <crimsun> no, Eleaf.
[12:24] <hateyla> okie.
[12:24] <crimsun> hateyla: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:25] <Eleaf> crimsun, one sec..
[12:25] <Eleaf> I've used programs that depend on jack before, but I was annoyed with the troubles getting it to work with alsa at all.
[12:25] <zdzichuBG> Eleaf: also, after installing pulseaudio-esound-compat you can remove esd and still have gnome sounds
[12:25] <Eleaf> I know
[12:26] <Eleaf> crimsun, I think that's it.
[12:26] <crimsun> zdzichuBG: you don't remove esound manually; pulseaudio-esound-compat conflicts with it, so the package manager removes it automatically.
[12:26] <xtknight> Bug 104580
[12:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 104580 in Ubuntu "k3b continually flashes in GNOME when minimized/restored twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104580
[12:27] <crimsun> Eleaf: so - essentially you want to use the convenience features of a sound server, correct?
[12:27] <hateyla> crimsun: what i check there? sorry i m new
[12:27] <Eleaf> crimsun, probably yeah..
[12:28] <IdleOne> hateyla, you can also sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a terminal and follow instructions ( if not sure go with default ansers )
[12:28] <crimsun> Eleaf: ok, to accomplish most of those requirements you listed, you will need to choose /one/ of two approaches
[12:28] <Eleaf> ok
[12:29] <crimsun> Eleaf: pulseaudio can run as a system-wide user or as your user
[12:29] <crimsun> Eleaf: in the former case, 'pulse' is used.
[12:29] <hateyla> IdleOne: i dont know whats happening.. before installed kubuntu.. all things disply resolution fine.
[12:29] <hateyla> IdleOne: but after installating kubuntu. there is some problem with VGA
[12:29] <Eleaf> crimsun, what are the pro's/cons of each?
[12:31] <IdleOne> hateyla, try the command I gave you it should get you the resolutions you want
[12:31] <crimsun> Eleaf: a system-wide user is a single daemon, resulting in lower resource util for single instances. It's easier to manage programmatically, but if that single daemon dies, all streams tied to it - regardless of user - die
[12:31] <Eleaf> ok
[12:31] <crimsun> Eleaf: a per-user invocation of pulseaudio means greater flexibility (and possibly more headaches from a management perspective)
[12:32] <Eleaf> does the per-user method run a new instance of pulseaudio for each stream or just each user..?
[12:32] <Eleaf> what if I only use one user..?
[12:33] <crimsun> just each user
[12:33] <Askar>  Hi! can someone recommend a program/programs for shrinking videos to fit on handheld?
[12:33] <crimsun> Eleaf: and if you're going to be the sole user for that system, it doesn't ultimately matter
[12:33] <Eleaf> crimsun, so what if I'm logged in twice on a different xserver/
[12:33] <Eleaf> is that the same and it just uses the already-running pulseaudio?
[12:34] <crimsun> no
[12:34] <crimsun> it's a new session, so you get a new pA instance for your user
[12:35] <Eleaf> wouldn't these conflict?  (only one pulseaudio could access the sound card at a time)
[12:35] <ConstyXIV> askar: mencoder if you don't mind a bit of command-line-ing
[12:35] <crimsun> no, they don't conflict
[12:36] <crimsun> you simply get the mutex property
[12:36] <Eleaf> not sure what that is
[12:36] <crimsun> meaning whichever user attempts to grab the resource in the second instance will be denied.
[12:36] <Eleaf> (thank you for spending some time to help me by the way)
[12:37] <hateyla> IdleOne: i try to run that command .. but getting error " debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource Temporarily Unavailable
[12:37] <Askar> ConstyXIV: is it a par of mplayer?
[12:37] <ConstyXIV> Asyes, it is
[12:37] <Eleaf> crimsun, so would it be possible to run jack or something alongside pulseaudio?  Or does just just take the soundcard 100% of the time it is running.
[12:37] <ConstyXIV> Askar: yes, but it's  a seperate package
[12:37] <Eleaf> jack just*
[12:38] <ConstyXIV> !mencoder
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mencoder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <IdleOne> hateyla, close out any GUI utlity you might be using to change resolution and try the command again
[12:38] <ConstyXIV> !info mencoder
[12:38] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu8 (feisty), package size 3473 kB, installed size 8732 kB
[12:38] <hateyla> IdleOne: i just open a terminal .. not anything more.
[12:39] <ConstyXIV> Askar: you'll need the multiverse on
[12:39] <Askar> ConstyXIV: installed it..looks a little bit to hard for me :(
[12:39] <IdleOne> hateyla, Im sorry I dont know why it would be locked perhaps someone else can answer
[12:39] <crimsun> Eleaf: jack and pA are both exclusive by default, but you certainly can invoke/configure both to use a virtual device (with performance deficiencies)
[12:40] <hateyla> someone can help ?
[12:40] <Eleaf> okay..
[12:40] <joshua_> hmm, feisty seems to be taking quite a while on boot "configuring network interfaces"
[12:40] <ConstyXIV> Askar: it is a bit hard, but once you figure out the right options (im suwre someone else could help you there), you can just copy/paste the right lines
[12:41] <Eleaf> crimsun, I guess I'll just go with the user approach, since I don't really see much of a difference.  But I need to know how to make pulseaudio autolaunch each time it is neaded, but then quit after an idle time.  Should I do this with the esd replacement configuration, or the pulseaudio config?
[12:41] <ConstyXIV> Askar: you might want to give #mplayer (on this server) a shot
[12:42] <hateyla> i try to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" command .. but getting error " debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource Temporarily Unavailable. i just open a terminal not any GUI thing.
[12:42] <ConstyXIV> hateyla: lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[12:43] <hateyla> ConstyXIV: still same.
[12:44] <crimsun> Eleaf: the two are identical
[12:44] <ConstyXIV> hateyla: that tells you if anything is using the file
[12:44] <Eleaf> crimsun, because you said editing the pulseaudio configs is bad... but that's the only way I see to set respawn, and auto kill time.
[12:44] <crimsun> Eleaf: essentially, edit /usr/bin/esdcompat to explicitly read the configuration file
[12:44] <hateyla> ConstyXIV: yes i know.. but i just open a terminal ??
[12:44] <crimsun> Eleaf: where the configuration file is /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[12:44] <Eleaf> yes.
[12:44] <crimsun> Eleaf: yes, it's bad for per-user, but I'll get over it
[12:45] <Eleaf> wait, what do I need to change in /usr/bin/esdcompat
[12:45] <ConstyXIV> hateyla: open a terminal, run that command, and if it puts out blank, nothing is using the file, and something is confused
[12:46] <joshua_> how do I get Ubuntu to do a default reconfiguration of my Xorg.conf, as if this were a new install?
[12:46] <joshua_> i.e., without answering all the xserver-xorg questions
[12:46] <hateyla> ConstyXIV: yes i run the Cmd. whichone u gave me.. the Cmd works fine.
[12:46] <crimsun> Eleaf: oh, actually you don't need to change esdcompat now
[12:46] <Eleaf> oh..
[12:46] <hateyla> ConstyXIV: its blank
[12:46] <Eleaf> so just make changes in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf & client.conf ?
[12:46] <Eleaf> for some reason the /etc/pulse/client.conf is not there this time crimsun
[12:46] <crimsun> Eleaf: just edit /etc/pulse/* as necessary, add your user to pulse-access and pulse-rt
[12:47] <crimsun> Eleaf: libpulse0 contains /etc/pulse/client.conf
[12:47] <crimsun> Eleaf: did you reinstall all the necessary packages?
[12:47] <hateyla> damn i aint run anything except terminal. then wth with something use that file.
[12:47] <cowbud> is feisty+1 going to go to pulse?
[12:48] <Eleaf> libpulse0 is installed crimsun
[12:48] <Eleaf> I think I deleted my client.conf after I uninstalled the other packages.. (I thought it was left over) but I guess libpulse0 wasn't uninstalled..
[12:48] <Eleaf> I can't uninstall it now or it will remove like 50 other programs
[12:49] <Eleaf> is there a sample client.conf somewhere crimsun ?
[12:49] <crimsun> just reinstall it
[12:49] <crimsun> aptitude reinstall libpulse0
[12:50] <Eleaf> ok
[12:50] <Eleaf> and I need to edit both client.conf (for autorespawn) and daemon.conf (for quality and auto kill time) ?
[12:50] <crimsun> cowbud: maybe. Edubuntu's certainly using it by default for feisty; whether Ubuntu uses it by default is largely dependent on whether upstream (GNOME) finishes replacing esound's vestiges with it.
[12:51] <crimsun> Eleaf: yes
[12:51] <crimsun> Eleaf: make sure your user is in pulse-access and pulse-rt
[12:51] <Eleaf> and by the way, should the ';' for each config option stay there?
[12:51] <cowbud> crimsun: lets hope so
[12:51] <Eleaf> crimsun, why does it need to be in those groups?
[12:52] <crimsun> Eleaf: then remove ~/.pulse-cookie
[12:52] <crimsun> Eleaf: hammer approach to avoid permissions issues
[12:53] <Eleaf> crimsun, doesn't need to be in groups pulse I guess?
[12:53] <hateyla> crimsun: can u fix it ? if u can? :< damn want to use old Resolution setting.. i just kubuntu.. after that my resolution is missing.  :<
[12:53] <Eleaf> but do the ;'s in the config file stay there?  I was removing them the first time I edited it.
[12:53] <crimsun> Eleaf: do whatever you wish to the conffiles
[12:53] <Eleaf> what are the ;'s?
[12:53] <crimsun> Eleaf: and no, you don't need to mess with the 'pulse' group
[12:54] <crimsun> only 'pulse-access' and 'pulse-rt'
[12:54] <Eleaf> they looked like comments, as if 'don't listen to this part'
[12:54] <Eleaf> do I need to remove the ;'s?
[12:54] <crimsun> only if you intend to change their values
[12:54] <Eleaf> like this ; daemonize = 0
[12:54] <crimsun> hateyla: I haven't been following your issue
[12:54] <Eleaf> do I have to remove the ; for it to take effect?
[12:55] <hateyla> crimsun: okie so i m waiting.. if someone can solve my .
[12:55] <crimsun> Eleaf: unless you've edited it, it's the default
[12:56] <hateyla> After Intalling kubuntu-desktop .. my vga are not working fine.. there is no other screen resolution except. 640x480. but before my screen resolution was fine.. someone can help?
[12:56] <Eleaf> crimsun, for some reason, I didn't get client.conf back.. it's still missing after reinstalling libpulse0
[12:57] <crimsun> Eleaf: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libpulse0 && sudo aptitude install libpulse0
[12:58] <Eleaf> cool
[12:59] <atselby> Can anyone tell me what the exact release date is?
[01:00] <crimsun> April 19th.
[01:00] <crimsun> see wiki/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[01:02] <cX-kads> yay!!! Can't wait for it
[01:02] <Eleaf> for some reason, pulse is running as root now crimsun (and so nothing can access it)
[01:03] <cX-kads> thanks to all the hard work developers
[01:03] <Eleaf> I only edited the conf file to autorespawn and idle die.
[01:04] <crimsun> Eleaf: you didn't invoke anything with sudo, did you?
[01:04] <Eleaf> it's also not auto dieing.
[01:04] <Eleaf> no crimsun , just let it load itself..
[01:04] <crimsun> what does "just let it load itself" entail?
[01:04] <Eleaf> I don't know how it was able to run as root just by launching an audio file.
[01:04] <Eleaf> crimsun, I opened totem and played a file.
[01:04] <Eleaf> and pulseaudio loaded up (autospawn), but it's root and nothing can access it.
[01:05] <Eleaf> it also hasn't died yet (timeout of 10 seconds, it's been that long)
[01:06] <crimsun> Eleaf: pastebin your /etc/pulse/* contents
[01:07] <hateyla> crimsun: ahhhh now get my old Resolution back.. now its fine.. can i save it? anyhow?
[01:08] <crimsun> hateyla: eh? If it works, it works
[01:08] <hateyla> crimsun: okiE then :)
[01:08] <hateyla> let me try to reboot :)
[01:09] <hateyla> well in kubuntu.. there is no quit or reboot option? just Screen Lock and logoff?
[01:09] <crimsun> err, there should be, but I haven't used the current Kubuntu in a couple months
[01:09] <hateyla> crimsun: its nothing there.. no shutdown or reboot option..
[01:10] <hateyla> just logout and lock Screen
[01:10] <crimsun> hateyla: asked in #kubuntu?
[01:10] <crimsun> they're more likely to know
[01:10] <hateyla> crimsun: sure thanks
[01:10] <Eleaf> crimsun, :  client.conf = http://pastebin.ca/430382 , daemon.conf = http://pastebin.ca/430384 , default.pa = http://pastebin.ca/430385
[01:11] <crimsun> Eleaf: in a single one, please, clearly delimited.
[01:11] <Eleaf> ..?
[01:11] <Eleaf> you want it all in one crimsun ?
[01:12] <Eleaf> ahk
[01:13] <hateyla> how can i check which version of kubuntu m i using?
[01:13] <Eleaf> crimsun, here you go:  http://pastebin.ca/430388
[01:13] <crimsun> hateyla: lsb_release -a
[01:14] <ada`ubun> hey, I got a some issue with WiFi under Feisty, the 6.10 one was handleing my wifi card perfectly, but Feisty dont have builtin driver it seems. Using ndiswrapper but it says Hardware not present, altho it seems I have a 'working' wlan0 device. Is it ok or what shall I do?
[01:15] <hateyla> crimsun: are u sure thats for checking of kubuntu version?
[01:15] <atselby> Would it be in my best intrest to wait until the 19th to get Feisty? Just asking for an opinion.
[01:15] <crimsun> hateyla: yes, I'm sure. Why?
[01:15] <crimsun> atselby: Beta has been released. RC releases this week. We're only 11 days from the final release.
[01:15] <crimsun> atselby: so - make your decision.
[01:15] <hateyla> coz there is in result showing .. Distributor ID: ,Description ,Release ,codename ,
[01:16] <atselby> crimsun: Yes, I was aware that beta was out and that RC was shortly.
[01:16] <DanaG> Oh, and "autodetect DDC" rather than manual entry.
[01:16] <atselby> I was simply asking for peoples opinions of if it was worth it to upgrade to beta and then to final when it's out of just hold out for a week or so.
[01:16] <crimsun> atselby: keep in mind that nothing major will change in the next 10 days.
[01:16] <crimsun> atselby: if you're unsure, wait for RC, then dist-upgrade to final upon the latter's release.
[01:16] <atselby> crimsun: I was aware that nothing new would be added yes.
[01:17] <atselby> crimsun: Alright.
[01:17] <crimsun> hateyla: that's correct
[01:17] <crimsun> hateyla: what is that info?
[01:18] <crimsun> Eleaf: line 94 of your paste is revealing
[01:18] <hateyla> crimsun: ahh sorry my mistake.. thats fine..
[01:18] <crimsun> Eleaf: as is line 130
[01:18] <hateyla> crimsun: want to was can i check which version of *kde* m i using?
[01:18] <hateyla> *ask
[01:18] <crimsun> hateyla: dpkg -l kdebase |grep ^ii
[01:20] <hateyla> crimsun: no Result.
[01:21] <crimsun> hateyla: and you're running KDE? That's ... "unpossible"?
[01:21] <ccooke> hmm. Bluetooth on feisty so far looks much improved... but still unusable
[01:22] <ccooke> shame, but promising. Maybe feisty+1 will be better.
[01:22] <hateyla> crimsun yes i m using.. i installed with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ? is it?
[01:23] <crimsun> hateyla: are you sure you didn't make a typo?
[01:23] <hateyla> crimsun: ya dude im 101% sure
[01:23] <crimsun> dpkg -l kdebase |grep ^ii    <--
[01:23] <hateyla> crimsun: when i reboot my pc.. on login screen there is KDE session option.
[01:24] <bwald> I installed an extra SATA card and two SATA harddrives, set them up as RAID1 and mounted them as physical volumes in an LVM, but now when I boot up I get a message "/bin/lvm exited abnormally" "couldn't find device"
[01:24] <hateyla> crimsun: yes i run same command.. but its going blank.. nothing there
[01:24] <crimsun> hateyla: pastebin ``apt-cache policy kdebase''
[01:25] <Eleaf> crimsun, revealing what?
[01:25] <crimsun> Eleaf: fixed those issues I pointed out?
[01:25] <Eleaf> it doesn't describe why it is running as root.
[01:25] <Eleaf> I didn't need to set those variables yet.
[01:26] <teethdood> I'm looking for an ftp backup system to backup files to a webhost ftp server with encryption (so rsync is out).  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
[01:26] <crimsun> Eleaf: start with a clean slate.  ``telinit 1'' (which will bring you to single-user, knocking you off the network), then ``telinit 2'' and log back in
[01:27] <Eleaf> crimsun, yikes. okay.
[01:27] <Eleaf> crimsun, what was the one file with the @audio and the changing of the nice value?
[01:27] <crimsun> Eleaf: /etc/security/limits.conf
[01:27] <Eleaf> I forgot where I did that.. I want to set that back too if I'm going to change the nice value in the conf file.
[01:27] <maccam94> ouch
[01:27] <Eleaf> thanks crimsun
[01:27] <maccam94> my lvm setup is really screwed up >_<
[01:27] <Eleaf> man, the lack of the ability to show all users in the gnome users/groups thing is so bad!
[01:28] <Eleaf> It's really giving me a hard time seeing who is in certain groups for pulseaudio
[01:28] <maccam94> i don't know exactly when it happened, or how, but somewhere along the way it had a lapse of sanity
[01:29] <DanaG> Is there any example .asoundrc to downmix 5.1 channels into 2.0 channels, while using dmix as the slave?
[01:29] <maccam94> non-lvm partitions now show up in /dev/mapper, and not in /dev, and swap won't work on the partition I set up for it previously because of it
[01:29] <Eleaf> crimsun, wait.  It says if I enable high-priority = , it will use root..
[01:29] <Eleaf> I didn't want to use root really.
[01:30] <hateyla> crimsun: there is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14638/
[01:31] <crimsun> Eleaf: that's why you need to be in pulse-rt and pulse-access
[01:32] <crimsun> hateyla: that package isn't installed.  apt-get --reinstall install kdebase kubuntu-desktop
[01:33] <hateyla> crimsun: but.. when i download whole package. i select all settings. with all packages.
[01:33] <Eleaf> crimsun, being in those groups allows root changing of the nice value?
[01:33] <Eleaf> could those groups the the cause of pulseaudio running as root?
[01:33] <crimsun> Eleaf: being in those groups allows your user to access the daemon.
[01:34] <Eleaf> does it have anything to do with allowing the low nice value?
[01:35] <Eleaf> my settings where fine before I reinstalled..
[01:35] <Eleaf> now I'm trying to get them back the way it was...
[01:38] <hateyla> crimsun: now it show kdebase version. but dude i want to ask. if i install whole package same time. and installed it same time then how this package not install at that time?
[01:39] <Eleaf> okay, now it's running as my user crimsun
[01:40] <Eleaf> but it didn't listen to my settings in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[01:40] <Eleaf> it did listen to client.conf in that it is autorespawning..
[01:45] <crimsun> Eleaf: well you didn't tell it to daemonise; why should it pay attention to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ?
[01:46] <Eleaf> okay, but it will pay attention to it if I add it to the extra-confs thing in client.conf?
[01:46] <Eleaf> like add resample-method = sinc-whatever
[01:46] <Eleaf> maybe I'm confused by what what it means with daemonise?
[01:47] <Eleaf> How is daemonised different than non daemonised?
[01:47] <crimsun> Eleaf: daemonise == background yourself and run as a daemon
[01:47] <Eleaf> uh
[01:47] <crimsun> Eleaf: sure, just add whatever you want to client.conf
[01:48] <Xappe> hmm, is there an equivalent to gnome-settings-daemon in KDE? I'm trying to get gtk-qt to work in fluxbox
[01:48] <crimsun> Eleaf: if you're unfamiliar w/ the terminology, please consult wikipedia
[01:48] <Eleaf> ok
[01:48] <Eleaf> thanks ;D
[01:48] <DanaG> argh
[01:48] <DanaG> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1155:(_snd_pcm_dmix_open) Unsupported format
[01:48] <DanaG> Playback open error: -22,Invalid argument
[01:50] <DanaG> odd... it'll take S32_LE but not S24_LE.
[01:51] <crimsun> which card do you have?
[01:51] <crimsun> ice17xx?
[01:51] <DanaG> hdaa-intel.
[01:51] <crimsun> which codec?
[01:52] <DanaG> STAC9250.
[01:52] <crimsun> don't use 24_LE, that's specialised for certain non-HDA codecs.
[01:52] <crimsun> like USB and M-Audio
[01:52] <hateyla> !w32codecs
[01:52] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[01:52] <crimsun> (not mutually exclusive, of course)
[01:53] <hateyla> !Codecs
[01:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:54] <TheVault> I am upgrading to Feisty Fawn. Is there any problems thats common that I should be aware of?
[01:55] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I use instead?
[01:55] <cowbud> what is the command to list the uids of your hard drives?
[01:56] <RAOF> TheVault: If you've got a Geforce4 card, your nvidia drivers will be a bit confused
[01:56] <TheVault> RAOF: nope, don't have a Geforce4 card or nvidia
[01:56] <TheVault> Intel Integrated
[01:56] <ShackJack> TheVault - I had two unsuccessfull upgrades from Edgy - so I just did "clean install" which was a breeze considering I have my /home in a different partition...
[01:56] <ShackJack> One wa sKernel Panic - don't remember the other...
[01:56] <RAOF> TheVault: Then I don't know of any other common problems.
[01:56] <TheVault> RAOF: Thanks
[01:57] <TheVault> ShackJack: Yeah, I don't like Ubuntu way of upgrading. I'm doing a clean install
[01:57] <ShackJack> TheVault - got your /home in a different parition, I trust?
[01:57] <aman> i installed ubuntu using the cd, and when i try to boot from the hd. i get: grub loading please wait, and then : error 22.. whats wrong?
[01:57] <maccam94> I upgraded from edgy with some success- apparently it fubar'ed my lvm setup
[01:58] <TheVault> ShackJack: Nope. Wiping my Hard Drive completely clean and installing Feisty Fawn
[01:58] <TheVault> ShackJack: Really don't have anything worth really keeping
[01:58] <maccam94> TheVault: well if you're wiping, then whatever experience you get on the cd you'll probably get on the installation
[01:58] <TheVault> maccam94: Oh?
[01:59] <ShackJack> Gotcha - do the /home in separate partition - it'll make any future updates a breeze - all settings, etc... are saved there... Just a matter of re aptitude'ing your software :)
[01:59] <TheVault> maccam94: How so?
[01:59] <maccam94> the lvm?
[02:00] <TheVault> What about Wireless? Is that easier now to setup in Ubuntu?
[02:00] <maccam94> TheVault: it's supposed to be, personally i'm on a wired desktop and wouldn't know
[02:00] <maccam94> but it's supposed to be better
[02:01] <maccam94> i'm gonna reboot into gentoo now, where hopefully my lvm setup will come up normally
[02:01] <atselby> thevault: It depends on what card you have.
[02:01] <TheVault> maccam94: Yeah I to am on a desktop and using wired. Just asking cause as soon as the final release, I'm going to put Ubuntu back on my laptop. So I'm trying to gather up all information I can about wireless
[02:01] <TheVault> atselby: Its a Broadcom 4311 Chipset
[02:01] <nkayhan> I have a simple question: will kubuntu feisty come with the restricted driver installer?
[02:02] <atselby> Huhm... I don't have that but I think from what I've read most cards work easy with Feisty.
[02:02] <TheVault> atselby: Thats good to hear. Wireless in Edgy is a pain. Keep freezing up the system & everything
[02:02] <crimsun> DanaG: 32_LE is just fine
[02:03] <aman> i installed ubuntu using the cd, and when i try to boot from the hd. i get: grub loading please wait, and then : error 22.. whats wrong?
[02:03] <crimsun> DanaG: I'm just saying to avoid 24_LE unless you know the driver supports it
[02:03] <DanaG> aah.
[02:03] <atselby> I only had problems once and it was with connecting but it's all with the hardware.
[02:03] <TheVault> What about the touchpad? I know that when I was typing in edgy & dapper at one point, I would type and the cursor would jump to someplace else and screw me up on typing
[02:03] <nkayhan> I have a simple question: will kubuntu feisty come with the restricted driver installer?
[02:03] <maccam94> aman: i've seen stuff about error 22 before, let me look it up for ya
[02:03] <TheVault> nkayhan: Not sure
[02:04] <aman> maccam94 thanx
[02:04] <DanaG> Yay, downmix workx.
[02:04] <TheVault> nkayhan: Consitering Kubuntu is built off ubuntu but using a different desktop environment, it should come with something similar
[02:04] <TheVault> nkayhan: But I could be wrong
[02:05] <nkayhan> TheVault: all the screenshots look really gnomey, I'm sure I could install the package later though
[02:06] <TheVault> nkayhan: Thats true. I am no Linux expert, I'm just going based off little of what I know and read :P
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> Sigh.  http://www.specialized.com/ still won't display for me
[02:06] <DanaG> Sweeet, now I can play my DVD-Audio Rip on my internal audio!
[02:06] <DanaG> Sweet!
[02:06] <maccam94> aman: did you have any external discs attached? you generally get that error if the disc boot order has changed since the install.
[02:06] <aman> yeah, i didnt install it on the master disc?!
[02:07] <TheVault> Also, how does that Restricted Driver Manager work?
[02:08] <TheVault> Does it like download your drivers automatically or something when it finds a new device?
[02:08] <ShackJack> TheVaul - well :)
[02:08] <ShackJack> It's starts up in sessions and if it sees devices that have closed-source drivers it'll ad 'em to the list for you to activate...
[02:09] <maccam94> aman: usually it doesn't matter where it's installed, the installer figures out where to put the bootloader. what screws things up is if your bootable disk configuration changes after the installation
[02:09] <aman> hmm.. okay.. not quite sure how to fix it..
[02:09] <TheVault> ShackJack: Thanks. I'm trying to learn all I can about the few features & things in Feisty. So far, it sounds really promising of the new release this brings
[02:09] <maccam94> stuff like usb drives, external hard disks, changing the motherboard boot order manually, can all screw up grub
[02:10] <aman> no i got 3 hd. connected to the motherboard, no usb drives
[02:10] <ShackJack> TheVault - I have on both notebook and desktop and have not experienced any significant issues...
[02:10] <nkayhan> yea, restricted drivers manager is a huge step forward for linux and ubuntu, it finds a middle ground between ease of setup and political harmony
[02:10] <maccam94> aman: is all the hardware exactly the same as when you installed off the cd?
[02:10] <aman> yes
[02:10] <DanaG> Sweet, and now I can make my external Audigy also do it.
[02:10] <DanaG> Now all I need for the perfect audio config is an LFE Crossover.
[02:10] <TheVault> ShackJack: So setting up wireless was a breeze?
[02:11] <ShackJack> TheVault - It was with mine - restricted thing had driver for it (Intel 3945)
[02:11] <maccam94> aman: did you change which hard drive grub installed into the mbr on? usually it says (hd0)
[02:11] <ShackJack> TheVault - I even got WEP working...
[02:11] <RAOF> Yup, my ipw3945 worked out of the box, with WPA2
[02:11] <ShackJack> TheVault - though having a little networking trouble, but that's just my ignorance...
[02:12] <TheVault> ShackJack: Thats good news. but I have WPA with one of the harder chipsets to deal with which is the Broadcom 43xx
[02:12] <aman> I choose hd01 i think..
[02:12] <maccam94> aman: so you changed it from the default?
[02:12] <mahdi> hi, i'm trying to tweak my confs here, but pci=biosirq on grubs menu.lst gives me PCI: Unknown option `biosirq'. anybody knows why?
[02:13] <aman> yes.. when the listings of the hd. comes out, i pick the second one..
[02:13] <DanaG> Works fine for me, though I've only ever used open and WPA.
[02:13] <DanaG> Oh wait, I did have issues with a hidden-SSID WPA access point;
[02:14] <DanaG> however, even Vista couldn
[02:14] <ShackJack> I love the new wirless network selector... Had to go to c/l and iwlist before...
[02:14] <DanaG> Even Vista couldn't connectl the only thing that COULD connect was ProSet in XP.
[02:14] <ShackJack> Vista is a great OS - FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!
[02:14] <neptunepink> lol
[02:14] <TheVault> ShackJack: Yuppers. Wish I had a disc of Vista right now so I could just rip one on it
[02:14] <maccam94> aman: what i'm talking about is the step where you confirm the partitions (not where you actually resize/set them up)
[02:15] <DanaG> NetworkManager would try to connect to access point 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[02:15] <TheVault> sorry guys I gotta run, going out for dinner
[02:15] <maccam94> TheVault: maybe i'll burn the pirated copy i d/lled and do just that...
[02:15] <TheVault> laters
[02:15] <DanaG> er, 00:00:00:00:00:00
[02:15] <mahdi> come on... vista is also good do wipe asses... piss on... use as paper weights.... pet toys.... not only poop on
[02:16] <neptunepink> kdm crashes when I try to log in. :(
[02:16] <maccam94> true, it is just as versatile as aol really...
[02:17] <mahdi> sure! AOL CDs are the best freesbess ever!
[02:18] <neptunepink> This is what happens when you go on vacation: "152 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove . . ."
[02:19] <neptunepink> but maybe it'll fix kdm for me. :b
[02:19] <mahdi> anybody knows a fix for atiixp on up to date feisty alsa?
[02:19] <ShackJack> neptunepink - I love those "magic fixes" :)
[02:20] <aman> maccam94 : i started a new installation: im about to chose wich hd to install it on, i pick number 2 : ide3 : master (the first is : ide 2 master)
[02:21] <maccam94> aman: do whatever you did before
[02:21] <aman> okay..
[02:21] <ShackJack> aman - make a separate partition for your /home :)
[02:22] <aman> k
[02:22] <jay_> Does anybody know if there is a problem with sl-modem-sources in feisty.  I suspect I'm doing something terribly wrong.
[02:22] <maccam94> aman: configure the partitions  manually, but when you click next after that, it'll give you a screen that confirms the changes and says which mbr it'll install grub to (it's a clickable text button)
[02:24] <maccam94> aman: the screen looks kinda like this: http://www.techwandering.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Ubuntu-2.JPG
[02:29] <aman> okay, ill try
[02:29] <Jisao> Is there a place for feedback on feisty?
[02:31] <dagat> hey folks
[02:31] <dagat> whats the command to get gnome-network-manager to load in the terminal?
[02:33] <Tom47> is it better to install or upgrade from 6.10 to feisty? and are there downsides in upgrading?
[02:34] <IdleOne> Tom47, install if you have backups but I did a upgrade over a month ago and had no issues. Downsides: might have some only way is to go ahead and see what happens
[02:35] <Tom47> Idleone ah ok v good i was concerned that setting from 6.10 may interfere with some of the polich in feisty
[02:35] <Tom47> polish*
[02:35] <IdleOne> Tom47, polish?
[02:36] <Tom47> yes soem of the new features i suppose i mean ... ie the seting i have do not reflect the feisty improved base
[02:36] <IdleOne> Tom47, I suggest you make backups of all important data before upgrading
[02:37] <Tom47> Ideleone yes i usually copy /home to my second hard disk
[02:37] <hateyla> IdleOne: i resolve that.. resolution issue.. but when i restart my pc. then its happen again.  :< lost my resolution.
[02:38] <IdleOne> hateyla, then resolve the same way as before and try to save the settings. not sure what you did so I dont know what else to tell you
[02:39] <hateyla> IdleOne: i m trying to do what i did before.. but how save my that setting?
[02:46] <hateyla> ?
[02:48] <DigitalNinja> When does Feisty get released?
[02:49] <RAOF> See /topic
[02:49] <IdleOne> !feisty
[02:49] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:49] <IdleOne> hateyla, I dont know
[02:50] <Tom47> April 19 depending on yr proximity to the dateline
[02:51] <DigitalNinja> cool
[02:51] <DigitalNinja> I'm using it right now
[02:51] <DigitalNinja> I installed it on my laptop and it works great
[02:52] <DigitalNinja> I love the new codec installer
[02:55] <Jisao> !bugs
[02:55] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:56] <DanaG> Argh, Nautilus won't connect to an SSH server that I can manually SSH to.
[02:58] <DanaG> Oh, I just found a funny way to "pwn yourself in the face" with a window:
[02:59] <DanaG> (under Gaim, that is.)
[02:59] <DanaG> Put a slow SSH server on your desktop, and then select the icon and hold enter for a little while.  Then grab the cube.
[02:59] <DanaG> s/Gaim/Beryl/
[03:01] <DanaG> Prepare to say "oof" as a row of windows pops up and comes sliding towards you.
[03:01] <DanaG> s/row/stack/
[03:02] <Jisao> Where do we read about bugs?  I only get a "report a bug" page.
[03:02] <johnficc1> i really think this is the best version of ubuntu...its just great.
[03:03] <cables> johnficc1, why would it get worse with an upgrade?
[03:03] <hateyla> nk
[03:03] <cables> hmm
[03:04] <cables> I guess WinME was one example of that happening :)
[03:04] <johnficc1> in the case of 6.10, I had a lot of problems, but now they are gone
[03:07] <naught101> anyone know why the adept-manager "version upgrade" button doesn't work? it says my connection is dead, when it patently isn't.
[03:07] <johnficc1> witch is best to upgrade or to do a clean install ?
[03:07] <crimsun> IMO, the latter
[03:12] <po9> is anyone having problems with feisty mounting an ipod as read only?
[03:14] <Jisao> xchat does not show channels with conversations, and I can't save the URLs with the URL Grabber.  How do I know if its a bug or not?
[03:16] <aaroncampbell> What package do I need to play mp3 in amarok.  Everytime I open an MP3, it says it needs mp3 support.  If I tell it to get it, it freezes
[03:16] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty...if that make any difference
[03:17] <cables> The new VNC server in Feisty is really nice
[03:17] <cables> big improvement over the old one.
[03:18] <DigitalNinja> Does anyone know anything about CNR
[03:18] <DigitalNinja> Click and Run
[03:19] <Pumpernickel> po9: Not I.
[03:20] <Pumpernickel> aaroncampbell: libxine1-plugins
[03:22] <DanaG> Can anyone test Nautilus's ability to connect to an SSH server?
[03:22] <DanaG> hornet.csc.calpoly.edu port 22
[03:22] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: Sure
[03:23] <DigitalNinja> hold on
[03:23] <DanaG> It's not even rejecting me if I don't enter a username.
[03:23] <Bawlsfuff> Hey, what does everyone think of Feisty? is it worth it?
[03:23] <DanaG> And then try the same to any other SSH server anywhere.  I'm just curious whether it's Natilus or the server that's borked.
[03:24] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: I'm logging into my server now
[03:24] <Pumpernickel> Nautilus/SSH works fine here.  OpenBSD server, fwiw.
[03:24] <DigitalNinja> Nice! I'm in
[03:24] <DigitalNinja> Didn't know you could do that
[03:24] <aaroncampbell> Pumpernickel: thanks...getting that now...looks like it installs 4 other packages for me (-console, -ffmpeg, -gnome, and -kde)
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: Can I do anything else for you?
[03:25] <DanaG> I can command-line SSH, and it takes a little while to connect.
[03:25] <DanaG> But Nautilus fails.
[03:25] <DigitalNinja> Do you have all the updates?
[03:25] <DanaG> Yeah.
[03:25] <DanaG> How do you transfer files to an SSH server WITHOUT Nautilus?
[03:25] <Bawlsfuff> Is the beta of Feisty stable?
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> It's stable for me
[03:26] <RAOF> DanaG: sshfs :)
[03:26] <Bawlsfuff> anyone using a Linksys WMP54G wireless card and having trouble?
[03:26] <DigitalNinja> RAOF: I didn't install that
[03:26] <aaroncampbell> has been for me...isn't it due out in 11 days?
[03:26] <DanaG> How do you use sshfs?
[03:26] <Bawlsfuff> I was having a real hard time getting it to work in Feisty
[03:27] <RAOF> DanaG: "sshfs user@machine:remote_path <mount point>"
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: I didn't install sshfs and it works fine
[03:27] <RAOF> DigitalNinja, DanaG: Yeah, you'd be using "sftp", presumably?
[03:27] <DanaG> Yes.
[03:27] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: You could try removing all the .files in your home directory. Log out and log back in.
[03:27] <DanaG> all the .ssh files
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> RAOF: I'm not sure what's going on but I see my data on the server
[03:28] <DanaG> "all the .files" is too vague and dangerous to the unknowing.
[03:28] <DigitalNinja> DanaG: You have config files in your home directory which you can't see by default. They are hiding.
[03:29] <DigitalNinja> If you delete them, log out and log back in you should get new default settings.
[03:29] <DanaG> aah, I didn't know sftp.
[03:29] <DanaG> I saw scp, but not sftp.
[03:29] <DanaG> That'll do.
[03:29] <DigitalNinja> all I did was type "ssh://server.com"
[03:33] <DanaG> I see, for one thing, the server is being slow.
[03:41] <os2mac> I have a question about adept. every tiime I check for updates it tells me there is a new distribution available but when I attempt to do the dist upgrade
[03:42] <os2mac> adept tells me it can't retrieve the update notice.
[03:43] <yuriy> os2mac: i don't know what's with the error, but it's telling you there's a new version available because you probably have edgy-proposed repo enabled
[03:44] <os2mac> I do in fact, because I tested the dist upgrade.
[03:46] <Pepetideo> Hi... can someone tell me out to fix hibernate mode in feisty
[03:46] <Pepetideo> cannot seem to get it to work
[03:48] <Pepetideo> anyone?
[03:48] <Pepetideo> am I the only one with this problem?
[03:49] <os2mac> no I have problems with it as well... my computer will hibernate but I have problems recovering from it.
[03:50] <Pepetideo> mine will display a black screen but does not shut down ... if I move the move it will open a login screen
[03:51] <os2mac> see mine is similar but it doesn't come out to a login screen....
[03:53] <Pepetideo> i've found this page http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/02/11/fixing-software-suspend-hibernate-with-uswsusp-in-ubuntu-feisty-and-edgy/
[03:54] <Pepetideo> detailing how to change the method for hibernation
[03:54] <Pepetideo> but I am kind of reluctant to use it
[03:55] <Pepetideo> it seems a very fidly kind of process and i would not like to corrupt my system
[03:57] <johnnybuoy> Pepetideo, there is also s2both...
[03:58] <johnnybuoy> it saves the stuff to hdd, but only suspends, so if resume wouldn't work,  you can still resume from swap
[03:59] <Pepetideo> how to i install that?
[04:00] <johnnybuoy> !info uswsusp
[04:00] <ubotu> uswsusp: tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~cvs20060928-6ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 144 kB, installed size 420 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[04:00] <johnnybuoy> hmm
[04:00] <xtknight> is there such a thing as Kubuntu feisty daily builds?
[04:00] <xtknight> found it http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/daily/current/
[04:01] <xtknight> livecd: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[04:03] <Pepetideo> i've installed it ... but would to I change the way ubuntu hibernates?
[04:16] <hateyla> how can i install w32codecs? in fiesty?
[04:17] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[04:17] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[04:17] <RAOF> hateyla: See ^^^
[04:17] <hateyla> RAOF: okIe.
[04:19] <hateyla> RAOF: but the way for dapper And Edgy there?
[04:19] <hateyla> not for Fiesty/
[04:19] <hateyla> OoOps Sorry!
[04:19] <hateyla> There it is.
[04:20] <RAOF> :)
[04:22] <DanaG> har, http://hotbabe.planlos.org/
[04:24] <starz> i cant get the nvidia-glx drivers to work for some reason
[04:24] <starz> says i dont have the module loaded but i even reboot
[04:24] <starz> cant modprobe it either.. so mebbie i need to make it/?
[04:24] <starz> help ;_;
[04:24] <DanaG> hmm, that medibuntu repo has newer versions of a few packages.
[04:24] <DanaG> But there's no way to changelog them.
[04:28] <starz> eh tried the medibuntu stuff too =/
[04:29] <starz> any clues as to why it wouldnt wanna run my nvidia card?
[04:29] <starz> Linux feisty 2.6.20-14-generic #2 SMP Mon Apr 2 20:37:49 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:30] <inade_> did you follow the instructions from the "binary" page, starz ?
[04:30] <starz> inade_: i believe so yes
[04:30] <starz> !nvidia
[04:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:31] <starz> Note: you have to select the restricted modules first because the nvidia-glx package automatically installs the i386 one - and if you have a generic kernel image, the X will not work.)
[04:31] <starz> omg your right i totally missed that.. thanx inade_ :)
[04:32] <RAOF> You know, the restricted manager is easier to use.
[04:32] <RAOF> starz: System->Administration->Restricted Manager.  Tried that?
[04:33] <inade> No. I just installed the drivers for my nvidia card today, from the binarydriverhowto page.
[04:33] <starz> didnt even know that was there RAOF
[04:34] <inade> It works well, and so far I don't have any crash with the video. It used to crash all the time in edgy
[04:34] <RAOF> starz, inade: Yeah, you should really try the awesome new features of Feisty :)
[04:35] <RAOF> The Restricted Manager is one of them :)
[04:35] <inade> Well, I have to learn about them, I had to run Debian with my hardware.
[04:36] <inade> Is there php4 with feisty?
[04:36] <RAOF> Not anymore.
[04:36] <RAOF> It's been removed.
[04:36] <inade> Shit. I need it for oscommerce.
[04:36] <inade> It won't run on php5
[04:36] <RAOF> Bah.
[04:36] <starz> @_@
[04:36] <starz> as i understood it there was a workaround for running php4 and 5 on the same machine
[04:37] <RAOF> I think the reason why php4 was dropped was (1) Security bugs and (2) no upstream support.
[04:38] <etzerd> hello all
[04:38] <etzerd> I tried to install kubuntu into the 7.04 Beta version, I have an error
[04:38] <etzerd> and the Kubuntu stop the installation
[04:38] <etzerd> eventhough Gnome is running very well and  stable
[04:39] <inade> Well, my knowledge of php is minimal... I guess I will have to read some documentation.
[04:40] <hateyla> RAOF: coz my system clock i cant download medibuntu signature key and put it in place.. is anyway to add key? manually?
[04:42] <RAOF> You don't need to add the key, and why would your system clock prevent you from downloading the key?
[04:42] <hateyla> dont know he revoke me c0z 0f system clock..
[04:43] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure that's not the actual error message :)
[04:43] <hateyla> :/ u Are linux geek .. i m Newbie :)
[04:44] <RAOF> Well, (1) You don't actually *need* the key, and (2) The *exact* error message is generally what we need to help you
[04:44] <RAOF> Yo!  jml man :)
[04:44] <jml> RAOF: hi
[04:44] <jml> wassup?
[04:44] <hateyla> RAOF: i want to auto sync my clock with LTP ? can i;/
[04:44] <RAOF> texmacs crashes, gaim with dbgsym valgrind logs, that kinda stuff :)P
[04:45] <RAOF> hateyla: I presume you mean "NTP", and the answer is "yes".
[04:45] <hateyla> :> yea NTP.
[04:46] <hateyla> RAOF: i m going Crazy.. im online Since last 7 hours..
[04:46] <RAOF> hateyla: Well, right clicking on your clock, going to "adjust date and time" and selecting "synchronise clock with internet servers" is what you're after.
[04:46] <os2mac> hi all
[04:47] <hateyla> RAOF: so date supported with NTP?
[04:47] <RAOF> Yes, NTP is date/time.
[04:47] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, I've never actually set the date explicitly.
[04:47] <hateyla> Wooops!..
[04:48] <hateyla> RAOF: well want to say Year supported with NTP ?
[04:48] <os2mac> you can also use the date command
[04:48] <RAOF> ...That's an odd question, but I suppose so.
[04:48] <RAOF> What does your system think the year is?
[04:49] <TheVault> I thought Feisty came with Compiz?
[04:49] <hateyla> 2001
[04:49] <hateyla> date/time works fine with NTP
[04:49] <os2mac> you can set the date with the date command
[04:49] <os2mac> just do man date to explain how.
[04:49] <hateyla> os2mac: want to sync with NTP.
[04:49] <RAOF> TheVault: Yes, it does.  System->Preferences->Desktop Effects
[04:49] <TheVault> RAOF: Thanks
[04:50] <hateyla> *automatic.. update with server.
[04:50] <os2mac> then you can right click on the time and set date and time and select the check date automatically check box.
[04:50] <os2mac> but I don't think that will set the year for you....
[04:50] <os2mac> I think NTP is more of a time tick (time not date)
[04:50] <hateyla> os2mac: i dont think so too.. thats why i m asking..
[04:50] <os2mac> lemme try it hang on.
[04:50] <hateyla> os2mac: its working fine with date/time.
[04:50] <hateyla> not year.
[04:50] <hateyla> os2mac: sure.
[04:51] <thomp1> my network applet dissapeared
[04:51] <thomp1> its not the one in add to panel
[04:52] <hateyla> RAOF: i Set it.. by mySelf.. but.. its going back again S:
[04:52] <TheVault> Oh my god, this is the first time me using desktop effects and I'm in love
[04:52] <TheVault> how do I get the cube effect for feisty?
[04:52] <hateyla> TheVault: it is awsome :)
[04:52] <RAOF> TheVault: You should be able to just click the "enable cube" button
[04:53] <TheVault> RAOF: Right click?
[04:53] <RAOF> TheVault: No, in the "desktop effects" dialog.
[04:53] <RAOF> Then, after that, you change cube faces with Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right/Up
[04:53] <TheVault> RAOF: Alrighty.
[04:54] <TheVault> RAOF: Using the live cd of Feisty and god does my GFX handle this stuff super smoothly
[04:54] <RAOF> Ah, sweet open-source driver support.  I wish I had that :)
[04:54] <thomp1> filmstrip view is cool
[04:55] <TheVault> RAOF: Yeah. Alrighty I think I found a bug or something. When I went back to the "Desktop Effects" nothing is showing up in the window it pops up
[04:55] <luke_> hello all, i'm having trouble with nvidia drivers, i just got help from #kubuntu but now X won't start
[04:56] <luke_> i get a no devices found error
[04:56] <RAOF> TheVault: Hm, are you using the Beta livecd?  I'm not sure whether that has the fixed desktop-effects/Xorg/compiz packages.
[04:57] <thomp1> are the power management options different in kde?
[04:58] <rhY> Hi.
[04:58] <hateyla> *Brb* Reboot
[04:58] <thomp1> how do i adjust the laptop power settings down
[04:59] <rhY> I want to create a launcher to open a file with wine.  Any quick advice?
[04:59] <luke_> anybody at all? nvidia drivers, no X? all i wanted to do was check out beryl
[04:59] <rhY> I created a launcher in the directory and said "wine nvu.exe", but it won't open nvu.
[04:59] <TheVault> Is there anyway for me to disable compiz through terminal?
[05:00] <TheVault> The Desktop Effects thing
[05:00] <rhY> luke_: Go ask in #beryl.  They're super helpful in there.
[05:00] <rhY> same for TheVault.
[05:00] <yrealthe8th> rhY: thank you
[05:00] <TheVault> Alrighty
[05:01] <rhY> Sometimes #ubunutu-effects is good, too.
[05:01] <rhY> wine launcher anyone?
[05:01] <FunnyLookinHat> what about wine launcher?
[05:01] <rhY> I want to create a launcher to open an app with wine.
[05:02] <rhY> like an icon that automatically switches directories and does wine nvu.exe
[05:02] <rhY> since nvu is dead native atm.
[05:02] <TheVault> I think I found a bug. After I enabled the "Desktop Effects" I tried going back to there but nothing shows up the box that comes up. Is this a bug?
[05:03] <TheVault> I'm running the LIVE CD so it might just be that?
[05:03] <rhY> yeah, I couldn't get it working off of the cd, but it works good installed.
[05:03] <os2mac> well I can't seem to get date to take my inputs so I can't test it. but I don't believe that NTP does years... it just does day month and time
[05:03] <os2mac> why don't you want to set the date by hand?
[05:04] <os2mac> or at least the year?
[05:04] <TheVault> rhY: Heres another weird thing. I went to the Restricted Driver Manager and it said that none of my devices needed any drivers but my wireless network card is not working
[05:04] <os2mac> it could be that you have your timezone set wrong as well
[05:04] <os2mac> or not at all
[05:04] <hateyla> os2mac: thats not my problem.. i get some issue with year.. well leave that :) i just solve it.. by another way..
[05:04] <hateyla> well.. having some problem with update..
[05:05] <os2mac> what's wron hateyla
[05:05] <hateyla> on top of right corner update icon responding there is updates.. but when i open it and try to check whats other updates list so in return give me error
[05:05] <rhY> TheVault: dunno, mine worked magically.
[05:06] <os2mac> hateyla: did you have an update fail?
[05:06] <hateyla> os2mac: i dont have the actual error coz i install with apt-get which one i want.. but . there is something problem.
[05:06] <hateyla> os2mac: not fail.. its saying something about root xs.
[05:06] <TheVault> rhY: Could it be just cause I'm running the LIVE CD?
[05:06] <hateyla> os2mac: its not asking for my root password.
[05:06] <os2mac> can you giv the exact error?
[05:06] <rhY> yeah, I didn't get much working automagically on the LiveCD, but everything works pretty damned well on a partition.
[05:07] <rhY> It's easy to boot back into winblows, too, in grub.
[05:07] <hateyla> os2mac: well not now.. coz installaing something through apt-get so its locked.. now
[05:07] <rhY> so, no reason not to quick install an ubuntu partition.
[05:07] <TheVault> rhY: Alrighty. I'm thinking on installing even though this is beta. Ummm another question with Compiz(the desktop effects) what other buttons can I press. I just pressed ALT+TAB and a window came up showing all the windows, not expose but you could switch between the windows
[05:08] <RAOF> Moving the mouse to the top right corner should activate scale (which is == expos)
[05:09] <TheVault> RAOF: Oh hell yeah. Thats what I'm taking about. Anything else? Im very very new to the whole compiz thing
[05:09] <RAOF> Um, not by default, I think
[05:09] <RAOF> That's pretty much it.
[05:10] <RAOF> Oh, Alt + mousewheel should transparentize windows.
[05:10] <TheVault> RAOF: But thats good enough in my standards. Certainly puts windows to shame
[05:10] <TheVault> ROAF: Yup the ALT+Mousewheel works. I may have to write these commands down
[05:10] <hateyla> hehe
[05:11] <hateyla> TheVault: When ya done write some cmds.. give it to me :p
[05:11] <TheVault> cmds?
[05:11] <TheVault> Commands?
[05:11] <hateyla> Commands
[05:11] <hateyla> yea
[05:11] <TheVault> What commands?
[05:11] <hateyla> like shortcuts.. Alt+wheel
[05:11] <TheVault> oh
[05:12] <TheVault> I don't know any except ALT+TAB
[05:12] <TheVault> ALT+Scrollwheel
[05:12] <TheVault> Move mouse to upper right corner for expose
[05:12] <hateyla> TheVault: U will get More if u want to learn more :)
[05:12] <TheVault> thats all I know
[05:12] <jb> hi, can anyone help me with booting of the feisty cd?
[05:12] <TheVault> hateyla: Yeah I do
[05:13] <hateyla> jb: whats the problem. xplain it maybe someone can help.
[05:13] <jb> when I insert the cd into my drive and try to boot to it I get an error like..."I-O break...or something"
[05:13] <TheVault> Alright guys, I'm going to install Feisty. God I'm so shocked on what Feisty brings, I might as well install and see what new things it brings
[05:14] <TheVault> brb
[05:14] <Boris__> hello everyone
[05:14] <Boris__> i need some help with feisty fawn and its wireless, i cant get it to work =[
[05:15] <hateyla> !wireless | Boris__
[05:15] <ubotu> Boris__: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:15] <Boris__> yes ive read all that, nothing works =[
[05:15] <Boris__> can anyone help me?
[05:15] <hateyla> Boris__: i dont know about wireless thingy coz i m behind router.
[05:16] <hateyla> *sorry*
[05:16] <jb> anyone know about boot issues?
[05:16] <Boris__> well im connecting to a router to, of course, but it just wont recognize wireless at all
[05:18] <Boris__> no one can help out?
[05:18] <Boris__> feisty fawn and wireless?
[05:18] <os2mac> Boris__ whats the problem?
[05:19] <Boris__> i installed FF, it wont even recognize my wireless - it used to work on 6.10
[05:19] <os2mac> what kind of wireless?
[05:19] <os2mac> Broadcom?
[05:19] <Boris__> i have a dlink g132 usb card
[05:19] <atselby> NIght all
[05:19] <Consty> When installing a LAMP setup using Ubuntu's server edition, x.org isn't included in the install is it?  I'm planning on running a vmware session for firewall software and I believe vmware server requires X if not Gnome for window capabilities.  I thought perhaps vmware server could be managed entirely from the console, but I didn't find any documentation.  So would it be easier to install LAMP server and add X ontop of it, or
[05:20] <os2mac> chipset?
[05:20] <Boris__> nothing for wireless pops up - could i use the ndiswrapper? or is that not allowed?
[05:20] <os2mac> yeah it's allowed but what chip set does your card use?
[05:20] <Boris__> chipset? im not too knowledgeable
[05:20] <Boris__> i386
[05:20] <Boris__> wot do you mean chipset
[05:21] <os2mac> as far as Linux goes the manufacturer of the card doesn't reallymatter the drivers are written for the chipset of the wireless adapter that it uses.
[05:21] <Boris__> ok well i have the same files i used on edgy
[05:22] <Boris__> it was all perfect, now its all dead
[05:22] <os2mac> for instance ... I use a Dell 1430 minipci card but the wireless chip set is made by broadcom.... which isn't exactly well supported
[05:22] <Boris__> no wireless is even recognized
[05:22] <os2mac> under linux
[05:22] <Boris__> i see
[05:22] <os2mac> does it recognize the USB adapter
[05:22] <Boris__> i dont think its by broadcom because of all the struggle i went through to get it to work on 6.10 long time ago
[05:22] <jb> hi, does anyone know about the ubuntu boot from CD or wubi?
[05:23] <Boris__> no it does not
[05:23] <gradin> hey all
[05:23] <Boris__> im pretty fustrated ive been trying to get it to work all day
[05:23] <os2mac> do an LSPCI | grep Ethernet and see if it turns anything up.
[05:23] <gradin> i've got a problem trying to install compiz on my box
[05:24] <gradin> i've got a amd 1.7 GZ with a nvidia geforce 440MX
[05:24] <Boris__> no its not shown
[05:24] <os2mac> sounds like your barking up the wrong tree.... your looking at wireless problems when you should be looking at USB problems...
[05:25] <os2mac> do "LSPCI |grep USB" and see what turns up?
[05:25] <gradin> the issue i'm seeing is when entering the test X mode is that its displaying no screens found
[05:25] <Boris__> 4 usb come up
[05:25] <Boris__> SIS usb 2.0 controller etc
[05:25] <Boris__> but no usb car - its connected
[05:26] <os2mac> did you reboot with the card installed?
[05:26] <os2mac> and without it installed?
[05:26] <Boris__> should i install ndiswrapper than?
[05:26] <os2mac> no I think your having a problem with the USB software seeing your card.... I don't think it
[05:27] <os2mac> it's a wireless problem at all.
[05:27] <concept10> what about lsusb?
[05:27] <gradin> my xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14664/
[05:27] <Boris__> well it never recognized the card on 6.10 either
[05:27] <Boris__> ok i did lsusb
[05:27] <Boris__> it sheos
[05:27] <Boris__> DLINK CORP [hex] 
[05:27] <Boris__> 2001:3a03
[05:28] <Boris__> and now?
[05:28] <gradin> anybody got any ideas?
[05:28] <gradin> !compiz
[05:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:28] <os2mac> so it's seeing the card.
[05:28] <Boris__> correct
[05:28] <os2mac> have you tried to reboot without the card installed.
[05:28] <Boris__> eventhough the lights are off...
[05:29] <Boris__> so to restart without the card plugged in?
[05:29] <concept10> Boris__, so it's a DLink card?
[05:29] <os2mac> and then installing the card after the computer was fully up?
[05:29] <Boris__> yes, its a dlink g132
[05:29] <Boris__> by installing you mean just pluggin it in right?
[05:29] <os2mac> yes.
[05:29] <Boris__> ill do that now
[05:29] <os2mac> what kind of computer?
[05:29] <Boris__> i doubt something will happen
[05:29] <hateyla> *BrB(
[05:30] <os2mac> I doubt it as well but it may give us a new error to work with.
[05:30] <os2mac> concept10 are you aware of a Dlink card issue?
[05:30] <Boris__> pentium 4, 3ghz, 1024ram
[05:30] <os2mac> manufacturer?
[05:31] <concept10> os2mac, im not aware of no issue, I just came into the coversation, i assume he is trying to get his card working?
[05:32] <os2mac> yeah... in lspci it doesn't show any ethernet adapters. but the card is shown in lsusb....
[05:32] <Boris__> its a abit motherboard
[05:32] <os2mac> I wonder if it's not a USB problem rather than an ethernet problem.
[05:32] <Boris__> ok i just reattached the usb card
[05:32] <Boris__> do i run lsusb?
[05:32] <os2mac> did you reboot?
[05:32] <Boris__> yes i did
[05:33] <concept10> okay, the card is shown on the usb bus.. now find some drivers!
[05:33] <Boris__> i have the drivers
[05:33] <Boris__> how should i install those
[05:33] <os2mac> did it prompt you to install the drivers?
[05:33] <Boris__> no
[05:33] <Boris__> nothing
[05:33] <Boris__> it does nothing
[05:34] <Boris__> it only says "dlink corp"
[05:34] <Boris__> nothing about wireless
[05:34] <os2mac> that's in lspci?
[05:34] <Boris__> lsusb
[05:34] <os2mac> what does it show in lspci
[05:35] <Boris__> lspci doesnt give me my card
[05:35] <os2mac> does it show anything for ethernet?
[05:35] <Boris__> yes
[05:35] <Boris__> but i cant use that
[05:36] <Boris__> dont leave!!!
[05:36] <beg1689> interesting... just got a crash report from "usplash" but when i tried to report it it blamed my BIOS
[05:36] <Boris__> hehe i need help =[
[05:36] <os2mac> left by accident.
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hi all:
[05:36] <Boris__> any ideas on what to do?
[05:36] <os2mac> ok so you can see the card in lsusb
[05:36] <beg1689> also my wifi is lost on resume rom suspend
[05:36] <Boris__> i though FF would do it all automatically
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> does anyone know how I can resize an ext3 partition towards the beginning?
[05:36] <os2mac> do an iwconfig and tell me what shows up.
[05:36] <Boris__> i can see my ethernet, not my wireless
[05:37] <beg1689> doesnt gparted handle that?
[05:37] <Boris__> lo no wireless ext
[05:37] <Boris__> eth0 no wireless ext
[05:37] <beg1689> Boris__ what chipset are you having trouble with
[05:37] <concept10> you two are making this harder than in should be..
[05:37] <os2mac> beg1689 it's a dlink.
[05:38] <Boris__> i dont know the chipset - its an dlink g132 wireless card
[05:38] <Boris__> concept10 what do i do if its easy? =[
[05:38] <os2mac> concept10 please help if you can
[05:38] <Boris__> concept10 what do i do if its easy? =[
[05:39] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if i reinstall windows how can i reinstall grub right after?
[05:39] <beg1689> did you guys go through the normal stuff already?
[05:39] <beg1689> see what dmesg tells you about it?
[05:39] <concept10> Boris__, you know what card you have, you have only one Dlink device, install ndiswrapper and wrap your drivers and wala
[05:40] <manchicken> For those who were here the other night, I got my Palm Treo 700p syncing just fine now.
[05:40] <Boris__> ok
[05:40] <Boris__> ill do the ndiswrapper thing now
[05:40] <Boris__> and come back
[05:40] <Boris__> give me a few mins
[05:40] <os2mac> concept10 the reason I didn't reccomend that is because I didn't think it was seeing the  device.
[05:40] <concept10> os2mac, is was shown on lsusb
[05:40] <os2mac> now that we know it is ...it
[05:40] <os2mac> so it was....
[05:41] <Boris__> but why isnt it on the new wireless tool it has?
[05:41] <os2mac> but there was no ethernet adapter shown on lspci.
[05:41] <concept10> I need to fix my wireless .. I swear bcm43xx works only three months out of the year
[05:41] <os2mac> and he said it worked  previously with the embedded drivers...without NDISwrapper.
[05:41] <os2mac> concept10 I am using that chipset right now...
[05:42] <beg1689> from now on ill always remember to check linux compatibilty for devices
[05:42] <Boris__> it worked with the dlink drivers under ndiswrapper on 6.10
[05:42] <beg1689> and if it doesnt work, return it, they will let you
[05:42] <concept10> os2mac, on feisty?
[05:42] <os2mac> it didn't work in edgy.. I did the dist upgrade to fiesty and it started working.
[05:42] <Boris__> brb guys
[05:42] <os2mac> Boris__ you never said that... just that it worked under edgy... :)
[05:43] <concept10> os2mac, they keep breaking and fixing the driver... I promise it worked perfect three releases ago
[05:44] <os2mac> well I downloaded a beta a couple of weeks ago and it didn't fix my problem... I do the dist upgrade and it works.... not sure why...
[05:44] <os2mac> I even tried to installed fwcutter manually and still couldn't get it to work.
[05:45] <os2mac> concept10 how did you upgrade to fiesty?
[05:45] <concept10> I used fwcutter about a year ago and it worked perfectly
[05:45] <concept10> now I see some complaints in /var/log/messages about SoftMAC
[05:45] <concept10> os2mac, old school way
[05:46] <os2mac> try the dist upgrade and see if that corrects the problem.
[05:47] <concept10> the drivers work somewhat, they just dont connect to my router
[05:47] <concept10> bbl
[05:48] <digilink> Im having a hard time with flash sound, I've tried a myriad of things to get it working, but just not having any luck. Are there any known issues?
[05:48] <Boris__> i have an atheros chip
[05:49] <Boris__> should i still stick to my dlink drivers?
[05:49] <os2mac> atheros should be good to go out of the box.
[05:49] <Boris__> meaning?
[05:49] <os2mac> Boris__ if your comfortable using NDISwrapper use that and use what ever driver you would use under windows.
[05:50] <os2mac> which should be the Dlink drivers.
[05:50] <Boris__> ok
[05:50] <johnnybuoy> can ext3 be resized at the beggining?
[05:51] <Boris__> alright
[05:52] <Boris__> see back to earlier today
[05:52] <Boris__> i got ndiswrapper working
[05:52] <Boris__> driver installed, hardware present
[05:52] <Boris__> but on network settings the wireless doesnt show up
[05:52] <Boris__> its just the wired connection and the modem connection
[05:52] <Boris__> this never happened on 6.10 - or am i doing something wrong?
[05:54] <os2mac> did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
[05:54] <Boris__> yes
[05:55] <nzk> Who do I talk to about putting packages in a repo?
[05:55] <Boris__> im gonna restart?
[05:55] <johnnybuoy> I have an unformatted disk space between the beginning of my extended patition and an ext3 partition, how can I make that space usaable?
[05:56] <nzk> sudo apt-get install gparted
[05:56] <nzk> gparted
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> it says "unusable disk space"
[05:56] <nzk> sudo. apt. get. install. gparted.
[05:56] <os2mac> what does ifconfig show?
[05:56] <johnnybuoy> unallocated
[05:56] <Boris__> doesnt work again =[ os2mac, concept10 im so mad
[05:57] <johnnybuoy> nzk, unallocated disk space
[05:57] <nzk> sudo.... apt... get... install... GPARTED
[05:57] <gradin> !compiz
[05:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:57] <os2mac> Boris__ what does ifconfig show
[05:58] <johnnybuoy> nzk, gparted says it's unallocated space
[05:58] <Boris__> ok theres 3 things now
[05:58] <nzk> then format it
[05:58] <johnnybuoy> nzk, the problem here is that ext3 can only be growed from the end
[05:58] <Boris__> eth0, eth0:avah, and lo
[05:58] <Boris__> what info do you need
[05:58] <os2mac> just the name of the interfaces.
[05:58] <Boris__> nothing says wireless or dlink
[05:58] <os2mac> should be lo
[05:58] <os2mac> eth0
[05:58] <os2mac> eth1
[05:59] <os2mac> or wlan0
[05:59] <Boris__> lo says LINK ENCAP:LOCAL LOOPBACK
[05:59] <Boris__> eth0 says LINK ENCAP ETHERNET HWADDR --00...
[05:59] <Boris__> and no wlan0
[05:59] <os2mac> what is the 3rd adapter?
[05:59] <Boris__> lo
[06:00] <os2mac> how about cutting and pasting the output to pastbing
[06:00] <os2mac>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:00] <Boris__> oh
[06:00] <Boris__> no solution tonight then
[06:01] <os2mac> no just cut and paste that to paste bin the post the link to it in here...
[06:01] <os2mac> so I can see it without you having to describe it.
[06:01] <Boris__> i cant
[06:01] <Boris__> this is my laptop
[06:02] <Boris__> problem is on my desptop
[06:02] <os2mac> your on a different machine.
[06:02] <os2mac> ahhh
[06:02] <Boris__> it has no internet access
[06:02] <os2mac> ok so if you do ifconfig it shows you three adapters?
[06:02] <Boris__> correct
[06:02] <os2mac> you only named two earlier...
[06:02] <Boris__> but no wlan0
[06:02] <os2mac> what is the third one.
[06:02] <os2mac> you named lo and eth1
[06:02] <Boris__> before ndiswrapper, there were 2
[06:02] <os2mac> sorry eth0
[06:02] <os2mac> so the third one is eth1?
[06:03] <Consty> Is x.org included in the LAMP install of Ubuntu server?
[06:03] <Boris__> this "eth0:avah" appeared
[06:03] <os2mac> ah hah...
[06:03] <crimsun> Consty: no.
[06:03] <Boris__> wots that
[06:03] <os2mac> ok now do iwconfig
[06:03] <Boris__> lo no wire ext
[06:03] <Boris__> eth0 no wire ext
[06:03] <os2mac> do you have a third entry there?
[06:04] <Boris__> no
[06:04] <os2mac> hmmmm.
[06:04] <Consty> crimsun: Thanks.  In your opinion would it be easier to install Desktop and install AMP after that, or install x.org from the server setup?
[06:04] <Consty> crimsun: I want to use a virtual machine for firewall stuff so
[06:04] <os2mac> this computer has an NIC and a wireless NIC?
[06:05] <crimsun> Consty: err, I don't recommend installing X.Org on that server.
[06:05] <Boris__> well yeah
[06:06] <Consty> crimsun: Happen to know if you can configure vmware virtual machines from the console using vmware server?
[06:06] <os2mac> hmmm.
[06:07] <Boris__> *tear*
[06:07] <os2mac> if you reboot without setting up NDIS to load at boot you will have to load it again by hand.
[06:07] <Boris__> but thats the same thing
[06:07] <Boris__> it wont fix it
[06:08] <TheVault> How do you get the cube effect in Compiz?
[06:08] <TheVault> What button combination?
[06:08] <os2mac> what is the output of ndiswrapper -l
[06:08] <os2mac> thats a lower case L
[06:08] <Boris__> driver installed, hardware present
[06:09] <os2mac> do an ifconfig -a
[06:09] <os2mac>  and see what that says
[06:09] <Boris__> same as i old you before
[06:09] <Boris__> told*
[06:09] <os2mac> so lo eth0 and eth1?
[06:09] <Boris__> and eth0:evah
[06:10] <Boris__> avah*
[06:10] <os2mac> do ifconfig eth1 down
[06:10] <TheVault> Got a question. My wifi light on my laptop is lit up but when I did iwlist eth1 scan, it brough up no results. Nor is the network manager showing anything
[06:10] <os2mac> you may have to use sudo.
[06:11] <os2mac> then do sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[06:11] <Boris__> no such device
[06:11] <os2mac> try it with eth0
[06:12] <Boris__> ok
[06:12] <Boris__> now what?
[06:12] <os2mac> do iwconfig
[06:12] <Boris__> no wireless extensions
[06:12] <os2mac> are you sure the card is functional?
[06:13] <Boris__> yes
[06:13] <Boris__> it plug it here on the laptop and it works fine
[06:13] <Boris__> i *
[06:14] <os2mac> did you do depmod -a?
[06:14] <Boris__> yes
[06:15] <Boris__> look here
[06:15] <Boris__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:15] <Boris__> go down to 8.2.3.
[06:15] <Boris__> when i do "tail /var/log/messages" i get a bunch of errors
[06:16] <Boris__> well i dont know if errors, but messages
[06:16] <Boris__> i get
[06:16] <Boris__> gconfg rook 5495 exiting
[06:16] <Boris__> usb 4 -3 usb disconnect address 2
[06:17] <Boris__> new high speed usb device using ehci_hcd and adreess 5
[06:17] <Boris__> etc etc
[06:17] <os2mac> do u have anything else USB plugged in?
[06:17] <Boris__> then
[06:17] <Boris__> eth0: media link off
[06:17] <Boris__> addrcong [netdev_up]  eth0 link is not ready
[06:17] <Boris__> again - no wlan0
[06:18] <os2mac> well it's possible that it's calling the usb card eth0 or eth1 but if it's calling it eth0 then it's conflicting with your existing NIC.
[06:19] <Boris__> i dont think its that
[06:19] <os2mac> I have a similar problem with my laptop... I cannot have both NIC's enabled at the same time.
[06:19] <Boris__> it always worked before
[06:19] <os2mac> Boris__ I am sorry to tell you that I am at the end of my trouble shooting ability as limited as it was....
[06:19] <os2mac> have you tried to talk to anyone over in #ubuntu about it?
[06:20] <Boris__> they almost shoot me there
[06:20] <Boris__> i was forced to come to this room
[06:20] <os2mac> I need to go.... it's past 12am here and I need to work tomorrow... I am sorry.
[06:20] <Boris__> its fine
[06:20] <snowpunk98> I dont suppose anyone could help me get my Logitech MX510 thumb buttons working?/
[06:20] <Boris__> thanks for your help
[06:20] <os2mac> sorry again.
[06:20] <Boris__> gnite
[06:20] <Boris__> no worries
[06:21] <os2mac> good night.
[06:21] <Boris__> ill just go get a different card i think
[06:21] <Boris__> will that wokr?
[06:25] <Bawlsfuff> When booting Feisty from the LiveCD, it gets stuck at the bootup screen with the orange bar moving back and forth...any ideas?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> Bawlsfuff: does it eventually boot?
[06:26] <johnnybuoy> back and forth?
[06:26] <Bawlsfuff> Hobbsee, funny you should mention....It had been stuck for like, 20 minutes, and as soon as I typed that, it started up
[06:26] <johnnybuoy> feisty doesn't have back and forth
[06:26] <johnnybuoy> it fills up
[06:27] <johnnybuoy> that should be edgy you're trying
[06:28] <Bawlsfuff> nah, defnitely feisty. It was going back and forth for a good 20 minutes, and then started filling up
[06:28] <johnnybuoy> ah
[06:28] <johnnybuoy> straaaange
[06:29] <Bawlsfuff> But while I'm here, how do I get to the disk management in Feisty?
[06:30] <Bawlsfuff> anyone?
[06:30] <johnnybuoy> disk management?
[06:30] <microwaved_peep> Dunno what you mean by 'disk management'...
[06:30] <johnnybuoy> !smart-questions
[06:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smart-questions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <Bawlsfuff> I meant.....like, partitions, etc.
[06:31] <johnnybuoy> Bawlsfuff, you want partitioning
[06:31] <Bawlsfuff> precisely
[06:31] <johnnybuoy> it's in system > administration > gnome part..
[06:32] <Bawlsfuff> johnnybuoy yeah, thats where it was in edgy....but for some reason, its not showing up for me....
[06:32] <microwaved_peep> Bawlsfuff: Try just 'gksudo gparted' in the Gnome run dialog box?
[06:32] <johnnybuoy> then install it
[06:33] <Bawlsfuff> anything I can run from terminal?
[06:33] <microwaved_peep> Same thing, actually.
[06:33] <microwaved_peep> Unless you were asking for something text-only, which case: parted.
[06:33] <Bawlsfuff> hmmmm...interesting.....it didnt do anything
[06:34] <microwaved_peep> Then it probably isn't installed, like Johnny hinted. lol
[06:34] <Bawlsfuff> oh...I see....how do I install it?
[06:34] <microwaved_peep> sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:34] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo apt-get install gparted
[06:34] <johnnybuoy> add/remove applications > search for gparted, or partition or dg.
[06:34] <johnnybuoy> or jst do what they say ;)
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> microwavind cdroms is fun
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> ing
[06:35] <microwaved_peep> It isn't Easter until you get a peep marshmellow the size of your three-year old cousin's head.
[06:36] <Bawlsfuff> butg I cant connect to the internet
[06:36] <johnnybuoy> why?
[06:37] <Bawlsfuff> Linksys WMP45G wireless card issues
[06:37] <johnnybuoy> it _should_ be on the cd...
[06:37] <johnnybuoy> Bawlsfuff, no cable?
[06:37] <johnnybuoy> you do not have one cable to plug in?
[06:38] <Bawlsfuff> my computer's a good 100 feet and 2 floors away from my router
[06:38] <johnnybuoy> ouch
[06:38] <Bawlsfuff> yeah, I figured it'd be on the cd also...
[06:38] <Bawlsfuff> I know, this blows
[06:38] <johnnybuoy> get a smaller house
[06:38] <johnnybuoy> or get a decent wifi card ;)
[06:39] <Bawlsfuff> haha
[06:39] <Bawlsfuff> well, this wifi card's awesome, they just hate Linux...those bastages
[06:39] <johnnybuoy> gparted should be on the cd tho
[06:39] <johnnybuoy> did you try installing it?
[06:39] <Bawlsfuff> yeah, that's what I'd figure....
[06:39] <Bawlsfuff> yeah
[06:39] <Bawlsfuff> it said failed to fetch, blah blah blah
[06:40] <johnnybuoy> phew
[06:40] <gabriel_> has anyone upgraded from edgy to feisty without any problems?
[06:40] <microwaved_peep> Wonder if you commenting out all of the remote repos and having just the disc in sources.list would force it to use the one on it. :o
[06:40] <crimsun> gabriel_: I have.
[06:40] <johnnybuoy> apt-cdrom
[06:40] <gabriel_> my machine is not booting anymore
[06:40] <johnnybuoy> or wha
[06:41] <Bawlsfuff> microwaved_peep: to be honest.,....I have no idea what you just said
[06:41] <gabriel_> how did you do it?
[06:41] <crimsun> microwaved_peep: yes, it would.
[06:41] <microwaved_peep> Oh lord, my name.
[06:41] <gabriel_> I tried with adept, that prompted me to upgrade to feisty, said yes, and started the process
[06:41] <gabriel_> but then it said some error and had to do dpkg --configure -a
[06:42] <gabriel_> then the mess started
[06:42] <crimsun> gabriel_: I used aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade after making sure that ubuntu-desktop was installed
[06:42] <crimsun> gabriel_: in your case, make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed before attempting
[06:42] <gabriel_> after several apt-get upgrade -f, my machine is not booting anymore
[06:43] <relia> gabriel_: Anything spat out as it attempts to boot?
[06:43] <gabriel_> hmm...well, I thought it was installed, cause then I got no more errors
[06:43] <gabriel_> but now its not booting. After grub, the screen stays blanc
[06:43] <sonoftheclayr> what packge do i need to install get the nvidia kernel modules for the legacy driver?
[06:43] <gabriel_> then, if I select the old edgy kernel, the usplash image shows up, but nothing loads on the progress bar
[06:44] <gabriel_> relia: no, just a blank screen
[06:45] <relia> gabriel_: Well, that can't be good. lol
[06:45] <gabriel_> is this a bug or something? It all started with a python2.5 dependencies problem
[06:46] <gabriel_> good thing its my testing pc
[06:48] <crimsun> gabriel_: well, make sure the apt sources are current first;
[06:48] <crimsun> sudo aptitude update
[06:48] <gabriel_> yes i did that
[06:49] <crimsun> do it now.
[06:49] <gabriel_> then it said i had to do apt-get upgrade -f
[06:49] <gabriel_> i cant, cause now it doesnt boot
[06:49] <gabriel_> im on my main machine now
[06:51] <crimsun> get a live cd, boot from it, chroot into your feisty install
[06:51] <crimsun> or use an alternate CD and choose the rescue boot menu option
[06:53] <RAOF> Ah, that brings back fond memories.  Back when feisty's update-initrd would kill root-on-LVM.  Good times :)
[06:56] <gabriel_> will the safe-mode grub option work?
[06:56] <RAOF> You won't know untill you try it :)
[06:56] <gabriel_> well..i tried it and it booted into some weird "shell", but it was not bash or something like that
[06:57] <crimsun> that's busybox, which means your / wasn't mounted
[06:57] <gabriel_> ok, and can i mount it from there?
[06:57] <crimsun> probably not, but you may be able to.
[06:57] <crimsun> what you need to do is use one of the methods I described.
[06:58] <gabriel_> okay, i'll try it in an hour, when I get back home
[06:58] <gabriel_> how do I chroot into my feisty installation?
[06:59] <crimsun> please use the wiki.
[07:00] <gabriel_> ok, thanx
[07:00] <gabriel_> i'll report what happened later
[07:10] <Lynoure> hmm, another not working "press next to upgrade"
[07:11] <Lynoure> This time I can stard Version upgrade, but then get no release announcement and no next.
[07:11] <FunnyLookinHat> Lynoure, bug report it    : )
[07:12] <Lynoure> FunnyLookinHat: to the similar one that was supposed to be fixed or new?
[07:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Similiar one would be best probably..  that way they know it's a longstanding issue.
[07:14] <FunnyLookinHat> I gotta go...  but thanks for bug reporting!  It's the only way we can fix these things  : )
[07:15] <pollyo> Hello
[07:15] <pollyo> Does last.fm work on kubuntu feisty?
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> yes
[07:16] <pollyo> tonyyarusso: It crashes on me.
[07:16] <pollyo> tonyyarusso: I mistakenly installed an old debfile first.  Though it didn't complete the install.
[07:17] <pollyo> tonyyarusso: Then I found it in the repository.  Could that have screwed something up?
[07:17] <pollyo> tonyyarusso: It runs far enough for me to select a station then it bombs out on me.
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> pollyo: Well, you should definitely be using the repo one (or any of the other compatible !players)
[07:18] <tonyyarusso> I've generally accessed it through Rhythmbox myself
[07:18] <pollyo> tonyyarusso: Yes.  I did end up installing the one from the repository.
[07:18] <pollyo> Anyone here have the last.fm program installed?
[07:19] <Lynoure> pollyo: sometimes last.fm has capacity problems. Plays fine for me on Amarok
[07:20] <pollyo> Lynoure: So the "official" last.fm player might not work correctly while the Amorok or the Rhythmbox would?
[07:20] <Lynoure> pollyo: the official player is not even part of kubuntu, is it? Is there even source available?
[07:21] <pollyo> Lynoure: The application was in the repository.
[07:21] <Lynoure> pollyo: interesting.
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> Lynoure: lastfm - an audio player for last.fm personalized radio
[07:21] <Lynoure> tonyyarusso: :)
[07:21] <khermans> what is the definition of a HERD release?
[07:21] <pollyo> Lynoure: Maybe I need to install the other two last.fm packages?  Though they didn't auto select them as a requirement.
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> khermans: An alpha release of Feisty
[07:22] <khermans> where does Ubuntu document this acronym(?) and why is it called that
[07:22] <khermans> tonyyarusso, yes right, but why call it "herd"
[07:22] <Lynoure> pollyo: I really do not know, I have not used their player.. For me all-in-one of Amarok is a big plus.
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> khermans: It's the term for a group of Fawns
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> (ie, deer)
[07:22] <khermans> tonyyarusso, oh lol
[07:23] <khermans> tonyyarusso, what did they call edgy alphas
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> khermans: Yes, it's weird and random, but that's how it works.
[07:23] <pollyo> Lynoure: I did look at the Amorok.  I am curious to see what bells and whistles the last.fm player might have.
[07:23] <Lynoure> pollyo: way less bells and whistles than amarok, just the basic last.fm things, last I tried it.
[07:23] <RAOF> Knots
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Knot, right
[07:23] <Lynoure> pollyo: one of it's devs is an Amarok dev too :)
[07:24] <khermans> tonyyarusso, how know form edgy?
[07:24] <khermans> knot
[07:25] <K`zan> Where do I find: "libmp3lame.so"? not showing up in adept :-(.  TIA
[07:25] <RAOF> Because you have a knot of salamanders, and an "eft" is a baby salamander (or some other form of primitive aquatic semi-lizard)
[07:25] <RAOF> K`zan: You'd be after "lame" :)
[07:25] <RAOF> Or probably liblame
[07:25] <K`zan> RAOF: THanks!
[07:25] <GreenHawkIA> k'zam
[07:26] <GreenHawkIA> you trying to find it for audacity?
[07:26] <GreenHawkIA> it can't find it automatically because ubuntu names it funny
[07:26] <GreenHawkIA> so show all the .so files in the dropdown that appears, and you want libmp3lame.so.0
[07:26] <pollyo> I guess if it keeps bombing I'm just going to uninstall it.
[07:27] <pollyo> I would really like to know why it is doing that though.
[07:27] <Lynoure> pollyo: report a bug first...
[07:27] <Lynoure> pollyo: or run strace, or both :)
[07:27] <RAOF> As long as it's an ubuntu packaged version.
[07:27] <RAOF> Apport should pop up and offer to help you file a bug.
[07:27] <pollyo> Lynoure: How and Where.  I've only been using kubuntu for 25 days.  I installed the feisty  and its been running fine except for this.
[07:28] <pollyo> Lynoure: Ok. I am willing to do both but can you explain what strace is and how to make the report?
[07:30] <Lynoure> pollyo: if you have not used Linux or unix longer that 25 days, I would not recommend strace yet. It'd be a bit overwhelming :)
[07:30] <K`zan> RAOF: I get:
[07:30] <K`zan> {~} $ locate libmp3lame.so
[07:30] <K`zan> /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
[07:30] <K`zan> /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
[07:30] <K`zan> But no just .so, make a link?!?
[07:30] <Lynoure> It's a bit "it's full of stars!" for me every time still, after years :)
[07:30] <pollyo> Anyone here running last.fm ?
[07:31] <RAOF> K`zan: Hm, the unadorned ".so" file should be in the "liblame-dev" package.  But what is trying to find liblame.so?
[07:31] <RAOF> K`zan: (Because if it's an Ubuntu package, then that's a bug which should be filed)
[07:31] <K`zan> RAOF: Audacity, I told it to use that and it looks like it worked, checking.
[07:32] <K`zan> ROAF Apparently not :-(.
[07:33] <K`zan> RAOF: Or sound has suddenly gone to hell, checking.  TV card works so lemme load the dev library and see what happens.
[07:33] <RAOF> Hm, try installing the "liblame-dev" package (that's what the audacity package Suggests:)
[07:33] <Lynoure> pollyo: If you report a bug of the crash (did you mean the playing stops or the app crashes?), I can try and possibly verify
[07:34] <tygus> Hi, I have a basic question. I have a GForce 6150 onboard, and I installed and uninstalled the drivers. I want to install the drivers that came on the CD but it says that needs the source or some like that... how can I install the source?
[07:34] <pollyo> Lynoure: The app crashes.  It disappears from the screen.
[07:35] <pollyo> Lynoure: Nothing found in my ProcessTable when searching for last either.
[07:35] <pollyo> Lynoure: I start it and the Radio Control window pops up.
[07:36] <pollyo> Lynoure: It wants me to select a station.
[07:36] <K`zan> RAOF: Never mind, looks like audacity is broken it has /dev/dsp specified but it doesn't like it.  Audacity seems to work every other time I try it LOL.
[07:36] <pollyo> Lynoure: If I go to the Search tab I can put in an artis and it brings up a list of suggestions.
[07:37] <Lynoure> pollyo: you can still report it in launchpad.com manually
[07:37] <pollyo> Lynoure: Then when I double click the artist it crashed.
[07:39] <pollyo> Lynoure: This strace do I use it to open the last.fm program or run it in another window when I run last.fm?
[07:39] <K`zan> RAOF: Sigh, audacity just won't deal with the sound device, gonna have to boot back to edgy and see if audacity still works over there.  Thanks for your time.
[07:39] <RAOF> K`zan: It sounds like it's trying for OSS access.
[07:39] <RAOF> You can't set it to use ALSA?
[07:40] <K`zan> RAOF: Yes and it doesn't like any of the other choices there either :-(.
[07:40] <tygus> anyone can help me, please?
[07:40] <pollyo> Lynoure: Does strace write a logfile or will I need to capture information?
[07:40] <RAOF> tygus: The drivers which came on what CD?
[07:40] <K`zan> Sounds works from everywhere else though, tv card, fm, xmms...
[07:40] <tygus> the motherboard's CD
[07:41] <tygus> RAOF: the motherboard's CD
[07:41] <RAOF> tygus: Don't bother.  Ubuntu has the drivers you need.
[07:41] <RAOF> tygus: Like many windows refugees, you'll find that things operate a little bit differently here :)
[07:41] <RAOF> One of the ways is: you never install a driver.
[07:42] <K`zan> RAOF: Interesting that it does record though :-).
[07:42] <Lynoure> pollyo: you do not need to do strace to report a bug.
[07:42] <pollyo> Can someone help me with strace?  How do you run it strace -e=PID?
[07:43] <pollyo> Lynource: strace -e=PID -o dump.log
[07:43] <tygus> RAOF, ok, I have this problem. Now the restricted driver manager shows the driver installed, but I have 800x600 only. So I uncheck the nvidia box to uninstall and then reinstall it, but when I try to uncheck ti says :
[07:43] <Lynoure> pollyo: if you really want to use strace to look into it, you'll prolly want to direct the output to a file otherwise you'll have a meg of text on your screen real soon
[07:43] <tygus> RAOF: Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid or does not exist.
[07:43] <pollyo> Lynoure: I see -p PID -o Filename
[07:44] <RAOF> tygus: Ah, so you've been hit by a restricted-manager bug.
[07:44] <KurtKraut> On feisty, when I plug USB pendrives I always havent permission to right on it. Even if I do mount manually. Is this a bug ?
[07:44] <RAOF> Firstly, you should regenerate your xorg.conf.  To do that, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" in a terminal.
[07:45] <tygus> RAOF: So I copyed some xorg.conf that I found and uninstalled the nvidia driver. But when I try to reboot the X using ctrl+alt+bksp I loose the mouse cursor.
[07:45] <Lynoure> pollyo: you only need -p if you already started the program, you can also just give strace the program name.
[07:45] <tygus> RAOF: ok, I'm trying that
[07:45] <pollyo> Lynoure: I think it worked.  It doesn't crash right away so I was able to start it with the pid.
[07:45] <Lynoure> pollyo: I pretty always use -F
[07:45] <pollyo> Lynoure: Would it be better to start strace first to get more data?
[07:45] <Lynoure> pollyo: (not much harm from it even if there are no forks to follow)
[07:46] <tygus> RAOF: why is that whenever I restart X I loose the mouse cursor?
[07:46] <Lynoure> pollyo: a matter of opinion. you can try both, if you wish to explore  It's not like running it takes long :)
[07:46] <RAOF> No idea, but just copying some random xorg.conf is probably a bad idea :)
[07:46] <Lynoure> pollyo: reading it can take long =)
[07:47] <pollyo> Lynoure: What do I do with the file?
[07:47] <tygus> RAOF md5sum: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[07:47] <Lynoure> pollyo: usually I also up -s by a whole lot.
[07:47] <RAOF> tygus: Whee!  That's certainly messed up.
[07:48] <pollyo> The last line is a segmentation fault
[07:48] <Lynoure> pollyo: Like I said, I would not recommend it if you are 28 days new to *nix
[07:48] <RAOF> tygus: is that the entire output of "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg"?
[07:48] <tygus> RAOF yes
[07:48] <Lynoure> pollyo: you read it to see what went wrong, usually starting at the end.
[07:49] <pollyo> Lynoure: Ok.  I'm opening it to view it.
[07:49] <RAOF> tygus: Right, so something's very messed up.  Why don't you try reinstalling all the X stuff, with "sudo aptitude reinstall ~nxorg"
[07:50] <RAOF> pollyo: Since that package is segfaulting, the automatic crash reporter (apport) *should* have some useful information.
[07:50] <pollyo> Lynoure: Looks like it couldn't open /dev/snd/pcmCOD1p
[07:50] <tygus> RAOF how do I exit X?
[07:50] <RAOF> pollyo: Check out the contents of /var/crash
[07:50] <RAOF> tygus: You don't have to.
[07:51] <pollyo> Lynoure: Inaddition TtApi no devices found
[07:51] <tygus> ok, I'll try that and brb to tell
[07:51] <pollyo> RAOF: /var/crash... Ok
[07:51] <tygus> RAOF: ok, I'll try that and brb to tell
[07:53] <pollyo> FAOF: I have no idea what to do with that it has a coredump.
[07:53] <pollyo> RAOF: At least the strace gave some type of errors.
[07:54] <RAOF> pollyo: Yay.  Awesome.  No, this is better than the strace.
[07:54] <RAOF> So /var/crash has something like _usr_bin_lastfm_1000.crash in it, right?
[07:54] <pollyo> RAOF: Yes it has a file with the name of the application that crashed.
[07:54] <RAOF> You want to touch that file, with "sudo touch /var/crash/_that_file_name"
[07:54] <tygus> RAOF: it says that it couldnt lock list directory...
[07:54] <jussi01> morning
[07:55] <pollyo> RAOF: Yes... _usr_bin_lastfm.1000.crash
[07:55] <RAOF> tygus: Are you running any other package managers (apt/aptitude/synaptic/add-remove/adept)?  If so, close them.
[07:56] <RAOF> pollyo: So, a little while after you touch that file, you should get a pop up saying "last.fm crashed, please file a bug"
[07:56] <tygus> I'm running only XChat
[07:56] <RAOF> tygus: In that case, your package manager has crashed at some point, and you want to remove the lockfile manually.
[07:57] <tygus> RAOF: ok, how do I do?
[07:57] <pollyo> RAOF: Ok.
[07:57] <RAOF> tygus: you need to "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
[07:57] <tygus> RAOF to be clear, Im using XCHAT on X now
[07:58] <RAOF> tygus: Yeah, that's fine.  There's no reason for you to not be running X.
[07:58] <pollyo> RAOF: Do I need the path if I am in the directory?
[07:58] <RAOF> pollyo: For the "touch"?  No.
[07:58] <pollyo> RAOF: Ok thanks.
[07:58] <RAOF> However, tab-autocomplete will be your friend.
[07:58] <pollyo> RAOF: so I can do "sudo touch _usr_bin..etc..
[07:58] <RAOF> Yup, exactly.
[07:59] <RAOF> Although I'd spell it "sudo tou<tab> _us<tab>" etc :)
[07:59] <orient2000> Hi! I can not shut down my system. Screen becoma dark and computer is on. 7.04 beta
[07:59] <pollyo> ROAF: It will autofill the rest?
[08:00] <orient2000> I hove to log out first.
[08:00] <RAOF> pollyo: Yeah, it should.  (Tab-autocomplete rocks :))
[08:00] <tygus> RAOF ok, seems to have finished ok, should I reboot X using ctr+alt+bksp now?
[08:00] <pollyo> ROAF: I did it but nothing poped up about reporting a bug.
[08:00] <pollyo> ROAF: I'm going to redo it.
[08:01] <pollyo> ROAF: It was a typo on my part the first time. Let me see if it pops up with anything this time.
[08:02] <RAOF> That sucks.  Well, an acceptable second best to filing a bug that way is to just attach the .crash file to a bug you file normally.
[08:02] <pollyo> ROAF: Ok.  What was that website for bug reports?
[08:03] <RAOF> !bug
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[08:03] <pollyo> OK. Thank you all.
[08:04] <RAOF> tygus: Any joy?
[08:10] <tygus> RAOF: Now I don't have hecked the NVIDIA drivers in the restricted driver, but when I check it says could not aply changes. Fix broken package first
[08:10] <tygus> RAOF I have fully rebooted
[08:11] <jussi01> tygus, have you tried going to synaptic -> fix broken packages?
[08:12] <tygus> jussi01: I feel so stupid
[08:12] <jussi01> tygus, it doesnt always, work, dont feel stupid...
[08:13] <jussi01> not everyone knows it is there... remember, there are no stupid questions....
[08:14] <tygus> jussi01 ok, didn't work. could you pass me a sources.list file that includes all needed for beryl?
[08:14] <jussi01> tygus, beryl's in the repos now, but yeah, I have a fresh one...
[08:14] <jussi01> wait 1 sec...
[08:15] <tygus> thanks, I don't know how many changes I've made on mine.
[08:16] <jussi01> tygus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14672/
[08:19] <tygus> jussi01 thanks, reloading synaptic now
[08:19] <jussi01> tygus, :D
[08:20] <jussi01> tygus, synaptic asked you to update?
[08:20] <tygus> jussi01 nop, but didn't find any package to fix
[08:20] <jussi01> hehe
[08:20] <jussi01> ok, but you will need to run sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <jussi01> tygus, ^^
[08:21] <tygus> I tryed to install KDE and XFCE using synaptic yesterday
[08:21] <tygus> ok, running apt-get update
[08:25] <tygus> jussi01 dod apt-get update and ran synaptin, but didn't fix anything
[08:25] <jussi01> tygus, hmmm...
[08:26] <jussi01> whats the broken package do you know?
[08:26] <tygus> I dont know
[08:26] <jussi01> ok...
[08:26] <tygus> I reinstalled xorg
[08:26] <jussi01> hmmm
[08:26] <jussi01> Im not sure of the answer to this one...
[08:27] <tygus> I did aptitude reinstall (waving -)nxorg
[08:29] <tygus> the xorg.conf was missing, and I put other xorg.conf I found. The system boots ok, but I can't install NVIDIA drivers.
[08:30] <tygus> I have NVIDIA drivers from their webpage but doesn't install because X is running
[08:30] <jussi01> tygus, have you got much important data on there? if not I strongly suggest a reinstall - you have played a lot...
[08:30] <tygus> how can I stop X?
[08:31] <tygus> ok, but after I reinstall it takes like 4 to 5 hours to only to update the system
[08:31] <tygus> how can I backup the packages so I don;t have to download them again?
[08:32] <tygus> I can see this partition from windows
[08:33] <jussi01> !info apt-on-cd
[08:33] <ubotu> Package apt-on-cd does not exist in feisty
[08:33] <jussi01> arrgggh
[08:33] <jussi01> tygus, http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[08:35] <jussi01> tygus,
[08:35] <jussi01> !info aptoncd
[08:35] <ubotu> aptoncd: CD-based repository creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~rc-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 149 kB, installed size 916 kB
[08:35] <tygus> ok, I'm installing it now. I have some questions:
[08:36] <tygus> (please)
[08:36] <tygus> can I install gnome, KDE and XFCE all together?
[08:37] <pollyo> Hello
[08:37] <pollyo> I am able to load last.fm in gnome on (kubuntu) feisty installation.  Let me try it again in my kde desktop.
[08:37] <pollyo> brb
[08:40] <tygus> and second question: is there a way to make a backup of the OS in other disk?
[08:40] <pollyo> last.fm doesn't like kde maybe...
[08:40] <pollyo> !bug
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[08:42] <jussi01> tygus, yeah, like an exact copy?
[08:42] <tygus> jussi01 yes
[08:43] <tygus> jussi01 or like an incremental backup
[08:43] <tygus> to be able to restore the OS to the point it was working OK
[08:43] <jussi01> tygus, i dont know...
[08:43] <tygus> ok, and any kind of backup?
[08:44] <tygus> this would be the 3rd time I reinstall ubuntu, (but the first I don't have to download all the uprates)
[08:46] <tygus> jussi01 I have a soyo motherboard, I have the bundled CD and it has drivers for linux, but when I try to install them it needs some headers and clibs or something like that... where do I get them?
[08:50] <jussi01> tygus, sounds like you need linux-headers or something. your fast heading into "jussi01 doesnt know" territory
[08:54] <teethdood> tygus, you'll need to recompile your kernel
[08:57] <pollyo> It looks like lastfm doesn't like my kde desktop or some type of dependency issue has gone wrong.
[08:57] <pollyo> It is running fine on the Gnome desktop
[08:58] <pollyo> BTW it is a good thing that last.fm is for listening to music.  Isn't much as far as looks are concerned. <grin>
[08:58] <jussi01> lol
[09:02] <eexpress> i comfirem the 2.6.20-14-generic kernel is bug at suspend.
[09:03] <eexpress> confirm
[09:03] <jussi01> eexpress, go and confirm on launchpad
[09:03] <jussi01> launchpad.net
[09:04] <corevette> will gaims name be changed in the next release
[09:04] <jussi01> corevette, yes
[09:04] <jussi01> to pidgin
[09:04] <jussi01> !pidgin
[09:04] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - chances are it will still be called Gaim in Feisty; look for the change in Feisty+1
[09:05] <eexpress> perhaps
[09:05] <elkbuntu> it's too close to release to change it for feisty and not end up with horrors caused by cross-application libs
[09:06] <jussi01> hello elkbuntu
[09:07] <elkbuntu> hello jussi01
[09:09] <jussi01> elkbuntu, do you know who is responsible for bug 102675 ?
[09:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102675
[09:09] <crimsun> is there anyone present with a USB Audio device that I could punish^H^Hborrow for a few minutes?
[09:09] <crimsun> jussi01: please don't spam that one; we know about it, but it's hardly release-critical
[09:09] <jussi01> crimsun, ok
[09:09] <jussi01> sorry
[09:10] <crimsun> hobbsee's pointy stick o' doom reaches far - you may run, but you can't hide!
[09:10] <elkbuntu> jussi01, information such as that usually can be found under the "$packagename source package" tab
[09:11] <jussi01> elkbuntu, thankyou
[09:25] <berto_> hello, I have a vfat parition which I want to share between all my user. I want it mounted When I login and unmount when I logout. How can I do ? (I have a debian with gnome wich works like this, so i think it's possible)
[09:26] <berto_> I have selected 'auto-mount removable disk'
[09:31] <VirhYl3> What's the best way to get DosBox running?
[09:32] <K`zan> RAOF: re: audacity.  Purged it, reinstalled it and it seems to be fine from a short test :-).
[09:46] <VirhYl3> nm.... found it in synaptic... DOH!
[09:48] <setanta> hello all
[09:48] <setanta> after having installed feisty i got this lign in my fstab # Entry for /dev/hda5 :
[09:48] <setanta>  UUID=5310491f-da47-4594-a5a7-616c2450f0e6 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[09:49] <setanta> i can't mount or unmount any drives, does anyone know how I could solve this please?
[09:52] <crimsun> setanta: err, what?
[09:52] <crimsun> how does that fstab entry for / have anything to do with your being able to mount /other/ partitions?
[09:54] <pollyo> Hello
[09:54] <setanta> well i've got no idea i'm only a beginner
[09:54] <pollyo> Any idea why a program would run fine under the gnome desktop and not the KDE desktop?  I just installed Last.FM and it bombs everytime in KDE but not so often under Gnome.
[09:54] <pollyo> I'm running Kubuntu (Feisty)
[09:55] <setanta> i just thought having an error message in my fstab could be related with this mounting problem
[09:55] <crimsun> pollyo: why not use the last.fm client built into amarok?
[09:55] <crimsun> setanta: err, what error message?
[09:55] <pollyo> crimsun: I think this one is smaller.
[09:55] <pollyo> crimsun: I do have amorok as well.
[09:55] <crimsun> pollyo: bullocks, the one in amarok is a /plugin/
[09:56] <setanta> errors=remount-ro 0 1
[09:56] <pollyo> crimsun: Can you run the plugin alone?
[09:56] <crimsun> setanta: no, that's an option that's passed to mount
[09:56] <crimsun> setanta: that's not an error
[09:56] <setanta> alright then that's not the cause
[09:56] <crimsun> setanta: it means "in case errors are detected, remount this partition read-only to prevent further damage"
[09:56] <setanta> ah ok
[09:57] <setanta> thanx
[09:57] <pollyo> crimsun: Can you run that plug in alone?  I do not need all thast stuff that is in Amorok all the time.
[09:57] <crimsun> pollyo: it wouldn't be called a plugin if you could :-)
[09:57] <pollyo> crimsun: So it requires the entire amorok program to be loaded.
[09:57] <crimsun> pollyo: correct
[09:58] <setanta> crimsun now when i try to unmount an ntfs drive
[09:58] <pollyo> crimsun: I am wrong in thinking that Amorok is bigger then last.fm?
[09:58] <crimsun> pollyo: last.fm is a service. Are you referring to the package that contains a last.fm client?
[09:59] <crimsun> note there are multiple such clients; use apt-cache search
[09:59] <pollyo> crimsun: Yes.  It says Last.fm Radio in the titlebar.
[09:59] <crimsun> setanta: are you prepending `sudo '?
[10:02] <setanta> i'm not sure what you mean by prepending sudo can you explain please, i'm french, my english isn't that bad but i do come across a few words i don't understand every now and then
[10:04] <crimsun> setanta: sudo umount /mountpoint
[10:04] <crimsun> setanta: e.g., sudo umount /media/windows
[10:06] <berto_> hello, when I want to activate desktop 3D effect, windows become undecorated :( so I can resize/move them anymore. Maybe I have to chosse a specific theme ?
[10:08] <setanta> crimsun just tried that i typed sudo unmount /dev/hda3 /media/ntfs
[10:08] <setanta>  but i got this message any idea?
[10:09] <crimsun> setanta: provide either /dev/hda3 or /media/ntfs, not both.
[10:10] <setanta> crimsun just tried a@ubuntu:~$ sudo unmount /dev/hda3
[10:10] <setanta> sudo: unmount: command not found
[10:10] <setanta> a@ubuntu:~$ sudo unmount /media/ntfs
[10:10] <setanta> sudo: unmount: command not found
[10:11] <crimsun> it's not uNmount
[10:11] <crimsun> it's umount
[10:11] <crimsun> note the distinct lack of 'n' between 'u' and 'm'
[10:12] <setanta> thanks
[10:13] <setanta> it worked the thing is why is that drive not present in the ntfs-config menu it should be given it's a ntfs drive no?
[10:14] <Nrrd> how do I change the framebuffer driver used at boot?  I've tried appending video:viafb onto the grub settings but that doesn't work, although that module is loaded by the kernel and works when the framebuffer is used at shutdown?
[10:20] <pari> good morning
[10:21] <pari> I'm having a trouble watching youtube's videos - all I see is "loading", and nothing happens. I've got adobe flash player 9 installed. Any ideas?
[10:21] <zeroflag> how can I install dmraid into the alternate install disc?
[10:23] <RAOF> zeroflag: It should already be there.  Check out wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[10:23] <zeroflag> well, it found the partitions I created on the raid...
[10:23] <zeroflag> but it finds it on ONE of the raid disks...
[10:25] <RAOF> zeroflag: Hm.  Maybe not.  I don't know, I haven't actually *tried* it :-/
[10:25] <zeroflag> and I tried the howto but it failed because apt-get wouldn't install dmraid...
[10:26] <berto_> why when I want to activate 3D desktop effect, widows become undecorated ?
[10:26] <ant_ipop> you need to config your xorg propably
[10:26] <RAOF> I *thought* the alternate CD had raid support, but I've never tried
[10:26] <berto_> in which way ?
[10:27] <ant_ipop> got nvidia graphics ?
[10:27] <zeroflag> well, it finds the partitions I created (with ubuntu desktop cd) on the raid with the proper size...
[10:27] <zeroflag> only thing confusing is that it finds it on one hdd and the other is completely empty...
[10:27] <RAOF> which indicates that it hasn't got the "raid" part.,
[10:28] <ant_ipop> berto_, this line should do it: sudo nvidia-xconfig --allow-glx-with-composite --add-argb-glx-visuals --disable-glx-root-clipping
[10:28] <RAOF> zeroflag: It's seeing them as two separate hard drives.
[10:28] <chell> Is there a GUI for activating 3D effects in Kubuntu?
[10:29] <zeroflag> RAOF: yeah, but why can it see the partitions which are on the RAID with proper sizes and everything?...
[10:29] <ant_ipop> chell: nope, but beryl is in the repos and beryl-manager is your gui
[10:29] <RAOF> zeroflag: Because those things have been written to the raid, which ends up on one of the drives?
[10:30] <chell> okay, so beryl will work with KDE?
[10:30] <ant_ipop> chell, yes it works very good here
[10:30] <chell> okay
[10:30] <chell> thanks
[10:30] <chell> will try kubuntu feisty beta now
[10:30] <ant_ipop> chell: good choice
[10:30] <chell> lol yeah
[10:31] <chell> I won't be able to use beryl though
[10:31] <ant_ipop> why you think ?
[10:31] <chell> I'm running it in parallels
[10:31] <ant_ipop> on a virtual machine ?
[10:31] <chell> yup
[10:31] <zeroflag> hmmhmm...
[10:31] <ant_ipop> okay, never tried this
[10:31] <zeroflag> my second raid disk doesn't contain ANY partition...
[10:32] <zeroflag> I think it did actually find my raid, just the display is off...
[10:34] <zeroflag> the second raid disk doesn't display "FREE" either.
[10:34] <zeroflag> so I guess it's implicitely used...
[10:35] <ant_ipop> sorry, what does raid mean ?
[10:35] <chell> lol
[10:35] <chell> kubuntu doesn't even load up
[10:36] <chell> all I get is a black screen
[10:36] <ant_ipop> dont you need a really decent machine for a virtual machine ?
[10:36] <ant_ipop> *cpu, ram
[10:36] <wizard> does anyone know why my ubuntu seems to lack power management profiles to lower cpu usage and soforthe?
[10:36] <chell> well, parallels runs pretty fast (utilising this intel virtualisation stuff)
[10:36] <zeroflag> ant_ipop: in my case my raid0 uses 2 identical hdds for "striping" which means that half the data goes to disc1 and the other half to disc2, which increases read/write speed by 2x (in theory).
[10:36] <wizard> it dies royally fast on battery for me cos the processor never slows down
[10:36] <chell> I can run XP at quite a decent speed
[10:36] <chell> also I have a Core2Duo
[10:37] <ant_ipop> wizard: there are ways to control powermanagement, checkout the forums
[10:38] <ant_ipop> chell: would like to help you in some way, but i never gave VM stuff a try
[10:38] <chell> I'll try the Ubuntu version
[10:38] <chell> if that works, it's a KDE problem
[10:39] <ant_ipop> chell: do you lauch it from a live cd ?
[10:39] <chell> yes
[10:39] <wizard> ant_ipop: it lacks the checkbox for "prefer power saving over performance"
[10:39] <ant_ipop> wizard: maybe your cpu doesnt support it ?
[10:40] <ant_ipop> wizard: are the services apmd and acpid enabled ?
[10:40] <wizard> ant_ipop: its a core duo
[10:40] <chell> weird: unable to locate rsdp or something like that
[10:40] <wizard> ant_ipop: and it showed up before
[10:41] <wizard> the processor sits at 996 mhz, over 50% of its speed
[10:41] <wizard> it should be lower
[10:42] <ant_ipop> hmm, no idea, did you search the forums.."intel core duo powermanagment" or so ?
[10:42] <wizard> ant_ipop: to say the least the cpu is dynamic and it'll lower itself however the system isn't lowering it nough
[10:47] <wizard> is there anyone here who has extensive know-how on power-management?
[10:47] <wizard> nalioth even?
[10:48] <Zewey_> wizard: what does "cat /proc/acpi/processor/<cpu id>/throttling" give?
[10:50] <wizard> Zewey_: let me psate it
[10:50] <wizard> !paste
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[10:50] <wizard> Zewey_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14678/
[10:51] <tygus> Hi there
[10:51] <jussi01> hi tygus
[10:54] <tygus> Hi jussi01! I have a problem, I've just installed 7.04, fully upgraded, and installed NVIDIA from the restricted driver manager as you told me to. After that I installed berryl by typing sudo apt-get install beryl. But when I activate berryl or compiz, some windows get black, or the titlebar goes invisible.
[10:55] <tygus> jussi01: when I set back to Metacity, windows show up again
[10:55] <jussi01> tygus, you need to do something to your xorg... maybe try in #ubuntu-effects
[10:55] <tygus> thanks you!
[10:55] <wizard> hes also missing packages
[10:55] <ant_ipop> tygus, whats your card ?
[10:55] <wizard> you can't just install beryl
[10:56] <wizard> yu also need emerald, or a proper compiz install
[10:56] <jussi01> wizard, you can if you have intel 915 :D
[10:56] <tygus> I have a Soyo M2NPV-VM that integrates a NVIDIA GForce 6150
[10:56] <jussi01> wizard, beryl is dependent on them, they get installed anyway
[10:56] <wizard> jussi01: i was talking about the window manager
[10:56] <ant_ipop> thats the problem: no support at the moment by driver nvidia-glx
[10:56] <wizard> not the drivers.
[10:56] <ant_ipop> ah im wrong, 6xxx got support, sorry
[10:57] <ant_ipop> did you do: sudo nvidia-xconfig --allow-glx-with-composite --add-argb-glx-visuals --disable-glx-root-clipping
[10:57] <wizard> Zewey_: any ideas?
[10:57] <tygus> I'm trying that nvidia-xcnfig
[10:58] <ant_ipop> "titelbar goes invisible" indicates that allowglxwithcomposite is missing in xorg
[10:59] <ant_ipop> i need help reporting a bug: its a problem about kde freezing, what package/product should i choose for the report ?
[11:00] <tygus> I have     Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True" in xorg.conf
[11:00] <Zewey_> wizard: ugh, i can't remember where were the settings located. sorry, was looking around
[11:00] <ant_ipop> tygus: stuff like glxgears work ?
[11:01] <Zewey_> wizard: like ant_ipop said, do you have acpi or apm running?
[11:01] <wizard> Zewey_: its ok. maybe you'll remember soon.
[11:01] <wizard> acpi is running
[11:01] <tygus> and I just did the  nvidia-xconfig --allow-glx-with-composite --add-argb-glx-visuals --disable-glx-root-clipping and still does the black thing
[11:01] <wizard> and it replies with my current battery power and status
[11:01] <ant_ipop> tygus: you need to restart your machine or maybe only X
[11:01] <tygus> ant_ipopo: what is glxgears?
[11:01] <ant_ipop> but at least X
[11:01] <ant_ipop> tygus: type glxgears in a terminal
[11:02] <tygus> jaja, yes, glxgears works
[11:03] <tygus> ok, I'll reboot. brb
[11:04] <zeroflag> grub error 2
[11:05] <zeroflag> now what's that?
[11:05] <Zewey_> wizard: try "sudo powernowd -vm 1 -d" and see if it dumps out anything.
[11:06] <wizard> Zewey_: yes it did
[11:06] <wizard> 3 steps, 1927, 1328, 996
[11:07] <tygus> hi again, reboot and still doesn't work
[11:07] <Zewey_> wizard: leaving it running for a while and see if your frequency changes
[11:07] <tygus> windows goes black, but not all of them... seems to be a random issue
[11:07] <wizard> the frequency is at 996
[11:07] <ant_ipop> tygus: how do you launch beryl ?
[11:07] <wizard> i was just hoping there was some way to push it lower.
[11:08] <Zewey_> wizard: oh, lower than 996?
[11:08] <wizard> Zewey_: yeah, unless 996 is where it should be
[11:08] <wizard> 996 is 54% of the full use of the proc
[11:08] <wizard> and it idles at that even when plugged in and scales when needed
[11:09] <Zewey_> ah, misunderstood your question, sorry
[11:09] <wizard> i was curious as to why its not dropping to like... 30%
[11:09] <wizard> or lower, to make it run longer
[11:09] <tygus> ant_ipop: applications->system tools->beryl manager. Then I right click on the red diamond next to the clock, go to select windows manager and choose beryl
[11:09] <ant_ipop> tygus: is wobbly for example working ?
[11:10] <tygus> ant_ipop what is wobbly?
[11:10] <Chetwin> Hi all.  I'd like to watch my kernel messages on boot.  How do I do this?
[11:11] <tygus> ant_ipop: I have beryl, compiz and metacity
[11:11] <Zewey_> wizard: sorry, never tried that before. i remember seeing an article on it, but not the site
[11:11] <Zewey_> wizard: have you tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248867 ?
[11:11] <ant_ipop> tygus: right clikc the diamon and choose "beryl" as window manager
[11:12] <ant_ipop> maybe you should end beryl-manager and try launching it from a terminal, by typing "beryl-manager" and see the output
[11:12] <tygus> ant_ipop: right now the desktop is black, this chat windows is frozen and everything is extremely slow
[11:12] <ant_ipop> tygus, paste your xorg.conf
[11:13] <tygus> ant_ipop: now Im back in metacity
[11:13] <Chetwin> Anyone?
[11:14] <ant_ipop> Chetwin: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:14] <ant_ipop> and in the line of your default entry..
[11:14] <ant_ipop> remove quiet and spash
[11:16] <Chetwin> Just put a # in front of it, right?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> Chetwin: no remove them completely from the kernel options
[11:17] <Chetwin> brb
[11:17] <Chetwin> I'm having booting issues, I'll be back with more info
[11:18] <tygus> ant_ipop: I pasted the xorg.conf in a private windows
[11:18] <tygus> ant_ipop: was that remove quiet and splash for me?
[11:18] <tygus> ant_ipop: are you there?
[11:19] <wizard> Zewey_: would most people consider 54% of their cpu to be a "good" speed for battery?
[11:20] <Zewey_> wizard: i think available steps are programmed into the cpu. mine only goes down to 70%
[11:21] <Chetwin> Okay, now I know
[11:21] <Zewey_> wizard: you're probably looking for "underclocking" to dynamically change the cpu voltage
[11:21] <Chetwin> My boot process locks up every time for about 45 seconds
[11:21] <wizard> Zewey_: it may also be because of the stupid hd display on this laptop
[11:21] <ant_ipop> tygus, that was for chetwin
[11:21] <wizard> Zewey_: and many new laptops i guess
[11:22] <wizard> i am used to having 3 1/2 hour battery life as with my old ibook
[11:22] <ant_ipop> tygus, paste it
[11:22] <Zewey_> core duo, right?
[11:22] <ant_ipop> !paste
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[11:22] <wizard> this thing, in both windows and unix, gets crap
[11:22] <Zewey_> wizard: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Core_Duo_%28Yonah%29
[11:22] <wizard> Zewey_: yup
[11:22] <Chetwin> I now see that it was lo king up at "Configuring network interfaces"
[11:22] <Zewey_> wizard: looks like 1Ghz is the min
[11:22] <Chetwin> locking*
[11:22] <Chetwin> Any ideas as to remedy the situation
[11:22] <wizard> well i'll be damned
[11:22] <wizard> Zewey_: then they're just gas gussler cpu's aren't they?
[11:23] <wizard> like american muscle cars vs. a 4 cyl jap car
[11:23] <Zewey_> not necessarily, they still use less power than your fridge and light bulb. :)
[11:23] <tygus> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[11:23] <tygus> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder26)  Mon Feb 26 23:37:58 PST 2007
[11:23] <tygus> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[11:23] <tygus> #
[11:23] <tygus> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[11:23] <tygus> # values from the debconf database.
[11:23] <tygus> #
[11:23] <tygus> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf(5) manual page.
[11:23] <wizard> Zewey_: i mean in temrs of battery they drink it down
[11:23] <tygus> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[11:23] <tygus> #
[11:23] <tygus> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[11:23] <wizard> tygus: stop stop!
[11:23] <tygus> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[11:23] <tygus> # package.
[11:23] <tygus> #
[11:23] <tygus> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[11:24] <tygus> # again, run the following command:
[11:24] <tygus> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:24] <tygus> Section "ServerLayout"
[11:24] <tygus>     Identifier     "Default Layout"
[11:24] <tygus>     Screen         "Default Screen" 0 0
[11:24] <tygus>     InputDevice    "Generic Keyboard"
[11:24] <tygus>     InputDevice    "Configured Mouse"
[11:24] <tygus>     InputDevice    "stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
[11:24] <tygus>     InputDevice    "cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
[11:24] <Zewey_> ah. darn. :P
[11:24] <tygus>     InputDevice    "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
[11:24] <tygus> EndSection
[11:24] <wizard> omg
[11:24] <tygus> Section "Files"
[11:24] <tygus> 	# path to defoma fonts
[11:24] <Chetwin> Why isn't he getting the boot?  He's flooding
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
[11:24] <wizard> is he pasting a whole xorg.conf?
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
[11:24] <Chetwin> Kinda funny lol
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
[11:24] <tygus>     FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
[11:24] <Zewey_> probably smart irc client. :)
[11:24] <tygus> EndSection
[11:24] <tygus> Section "Module"
[11:24] <tygus>     Load           "i2c"
[11:24] <tygus>     Load           "bitmap"
[11:24] <tygus>     Load           "ddc"
[11:24] <tygus>     Load           "extmod"
[11:24] <tygus>     Load           "freetype"
[11:25] <tygus>     Load           "glx"
[11:25] <wizard> who told him to paste that without first explaining pastebin? lol
[11:25] <Chetwin> This fool said Load "i2c"
[11:25] <tygus>     Load           "int10"
[11:25] <tygus>     Load           "vbe"
[11:25] <tygus> EndSection
[11:25] <tygus> Section "InputDevice"
[11:25] <tygus>     Identifier     "Generic Keyboard"
[11:25] <tygus>     Driver         "kbd"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "CoreKeyboard"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "XkbModel" "pc105"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "XkbLayout" "es"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch"
[11:25] <tygus> EndSection
[11:25] <tygus> Section "InputDevice"
[11:25] <tygus>     Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
[11:25] <tygus>     Driver         "mouse"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "CorePointer"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[11:25] <tygus> EndSection
[11:25] <tygus> Section "InputDevice"
[11:25] <tygus> 	# /dev/input/event
[11:25] <tygus> 	# for USB
[11:25] <tygus>     Identifier     "stylus"
[11:25] <tygus>     Driver         "wacom"
[11:25] <wizard> lol hes not even to the resolution yet
[11:25] <tygus>     Option         "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "Type" "stylus"
[11:26] <Chetwin> Make it stop
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
[11:26] <tygus> EndSection
[11:26] <tygus> Section "InputDevice"
[11:26] <tygus> 	# /dev/input/event
[11:26] <wizard> this is rofllicious
[11:26] <tygus> 	# for USB
[11:26] <tygus>     Identifier     "eraser"
[11:26] <wizard> its like fergalicious but it doesn't suck
[11:26] <tygus>     Driver         "wacom"
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "Type" "eraser"
[11:26] <Chetwin> lmao
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
[11:26] <Chetwin> Fergie is hot
[11:26] <tygus> EndSection
[11:26] <wizard> Chetwin: ;-)
[11:26] <tygus> Section "InputDevice"
[11:26] <tygus> 	# /dev/input/event
[11:26] <tygus> 	# for USB
[11:26] <wizard> fergie is a loser tho
[11:26] <tygus>     Identifier     "cursor"
[11:26] <tygus>     Driver         "wacom"
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "Device" "/dev/wacom"# Change to
[11:26] <Chetwin> OMG, okay hottest woman on Earth...
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "Type" "cursor"
[11:26] <Chetwin> Jeri Ryan
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
[11:26] <tygus> EndSection
[11:26] <tygus> Section "Monitor"
[11:26] <tygus>     Identifier     "SyncMaster"
[11:26] <tygus>     Option         "DPMS"
[11:26] <wizard> and that song has earned her a place on my "if i could meet you i'd cut you open and strangle you with your own intestines" list
[11:26] <tygus> EndSection
[11:26] <tygus> Section "Device"
[11:26] <tygus>     Identifier     "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] "
[11:26] <tygus>     Driver         "nvidia"
[11:27] <tygus> EndSection
[11:27] <tygus> Section "Screen"
[11:27] <tygus>     Identifier     "Default Screen"
[11:27] <tygus>     Device         "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] "
[11:27] <tygus>     Monitor        "SyncMaster"
[11:27] <tygus>     DefaultDepth    24
[11:27] <tygus>     Option         "AddARGBVisuals" "True"
[11:27] <tygus>     Option         "NoLogo" "True"
[11:27] <tygus>     Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True"
[11:27] <tygus>     Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[11:27] <Chetwin> wizard: at least she's not Paris Hilton
[11:27] <tygus>     Option         "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[11:27] <wizard> how isi t that every time i drop an F-bomb an op is here to catch it but theres no one here for this?
[11:27] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:27] <tygus>         Depth       1
[11:27] <tygus>         Modes      "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[11:27] <tygus>     EndSubSection
[11:27] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:27] <tygus>         Depth       4
[11:27] <ant_ipop> tygus, thats not a good idea!
[11:27] <Chetwin> I KNOW!
[11:27] <tygus>         Modes      "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[11:27] <tygus>     EndSubSection
[11:27] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:27] <Chetwin> This is weak sauce
[11:27] <tygus>         Depth       8
[11:27] <tygus>         Modes      "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[11:27] <tygus>     EndSubSection
[11:27] <ant_ipop> hehe
[11:27] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:27] <tygus>         Depth       15
[11:27] <tygus>         Modes      "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[11:27] <tygus>     EndSubSection
[11:27] <wizard> ant_ipop: hes about 1/3 of the way into his damn xorg.conf
[11:27] <wizard> !ops
[11:27] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:27] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda or mneptok
[11:28] <tygus>         Depth       16
[11:28] <tygus>         Modes      "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[11:28] <tygus>     EndSubSection
[11:28] <ant_ipop> i told him to pastebin
[11:28] <tygus>     SubSection     "Display"
[11:28] <wizard> hahahahahahaha
[11:28] <wizard> ohh dear lord.
[11:28] <Chetwin> Thank god
[11:28] <Zewey_> that was interesting while it lasted. :P
[11:28] <Chetwin> That was the highlight of my night
[11:28] <wizard> new "Hacker" attack... the paste of the xorg.conf
[11:28] <Chetwin> lmao
[11:28] <wizard> it exploits nothing, annoys everything
[11:28] <Chetwin> Fax your dmesg after boot to someone
[11:28] <mneptok> wizard: problems?
[11:28] <wizard> mneptok: resolved
[11:29] <wizard> we had a xorg.conf spam going
[11:29] <Chetwin> It was hot
[11:29] <wizard> it wsa almost at the climax of it, then LjL kicked
[11:29] <tygus> ok, I've learned sonething new today
[11:29] <tygus> ant_ipop: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14683/
[11:29] <mneptok> Driver   "idiocy3d"
[11:29] <Zewey_> lol. :)
[11:29] <Chetwin> lol
[11:29] <wizard> roflcopter
[11:29] <Chetwin> Load "Your pants"
[11:30] <wizard> "uhm sir, i think he just barfled all over the floor and left a lawlowfloater"
[11:30] <Chetwin> I don't get it
[11:30] <ant_ipop> tygus: type "beryl-manager" in a terminal and check the output for errors
[11:30] <wizard> Chetwin: me either
[11:30] <wizard> and i said it.. so imagine how i feel
[11:30] <Chetwin> Time to make a Marie Calendars frozen meal mmmmmmmmmm
[11:30] <wizard> Chetwin: someones single 0.o
[11:31] <Chetwin> Yup
[11:31] <mneptok> wizard: yeah. his girlfriend.
[11:31] <mneptok> *ahem*
[11:31] <Chetwin> I don't have a woman
[11:31] <tygus> ant_ipop: there is no output, just shows the same context menu that shows when I right clink the red diamond near the clock
[11:31] <elkbuntu> wizard, was it the spam exciting him that gave you that impression or the microwave dinner ;)
[11:31] <wizard> mneptok: hahaha
[11:32] <wizard> elkbuntu: you can just tell a single guy
[11:32] <Chetwin> The xorg totally got me going
[11:32] <wizard> when the only tool in his kitchen that gets used is... the microwave
[11:32] <Chetwin> And forks!
[11:32] <elkbuntu> not even spoons?
[11:32] <wizard> he probably doesn't have spoons
[11:32] <Chetwin> But I'd rather use plastic stuff I can throw away, instead of doing dishes
[11:32] <wizard> unless hes stole them from the olive garden
[11:32] <Chetwin> lmao wizard
[11:32] <Chetwin> NO!
[11:32] <wizard> i always steal stuff from olive garden
[11:32] <Chetwin> I bought them at target.  Kame in a set
[11:32] <mneptok> wizard: forks are spoons with a developmental disability
[11:32] <wizard> spoons, forks, woman
[11:33] <elkbuntu> Chetwin, oh, so you're a KDE'er too?
[11:33] <Chetwin> A spork!?
[11:33] <Chetwin> elkbuntu RODE
[11:33] <Chetwin> RUDE
 I bought them at target.  Kame in a set <-- *cough*
[11:33] <wizard> haha
[11:33] <wizard> they kame in a set
[11:33] <wizard> and crashed a few minutes later
[11:33] <ant_ipop> tygus, in a terminal
[11:33] <wizard> so i had to file a bug report at the target customer service desk
[11:33] <Chetwin> elkbuntu What's happening here?
[11:33] <mneptok> wizard: "krashed"
[11:34] <wizard> you know... i often think my underware drawer reminds me of kde
[11:34] <ant_ipop> there cant be context menus in a terminal
[11:34] <wizard> a mass of disaray and miscolorment
[11:34] <wizard> and i need a spellchecker
[11:34] <elkbuntu> Chetwin, you know how kde apps like to be normal words but begin with a K instead of whatever would normally be first?
[11:34] <tygus> ant-ipop: I typed it in a terminal. I typed only beryl, and this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14684/
[11:34] <Chetwin> I JUST got it right before you said it
[11:34] <Chetwin> Wow
[11:34] <Chetwin> I'm ashamed
[11:34] <elkbuntu> Chetwin, hehehe
[11:35] <rymo> hi guys..can i ask an feisty instalation question?
[11:35] <mneptok> wizard: but with Compiz now your shorts can have transparency!
[11:35] <Chetwin> elkbuntu It's not like I drive a Ford or anything
[11:35] <mneptok> "I'm not naked! I just have good video drivers!"
[11:35] <wizard> mneptok: they got that ages ago
[11:35] <wizard> i don't throw out boxers...
[11:35] <wizard> so they're transparent by now!
[11:35] <wizard> some of them even almost look like skirts! *cough*
[11:35] <tygus> ant_ipop: I type beryl-manager in a terminal and that context menu shows next to the mouse, no matter where the mouse is
[11:36] <Chetwin> wizard, cough drop?
[11:36] <rymo> ant_ipop has left tygus
[11:36] <wizard> Chetwin: i'd rather have a glass of gin
[11:36] <Chetwin> Well i'd rather smoke a joint
[11:36] <Chetwin> So there
[11:36] <wizard> heh... why are so many open sourcers potheads?
[11:37] <wizard> is the new hippie era on cyberspace and i missed the boat?
[11:37] <Chetwin> Cuz zoning out and programming are like bread and butter
[11:37] <mneptok> just look at Evolution's code quality
[11:37] <mneptok> inside voice, mnep ....
[11:37] <Chetwin> Ever had the feeling that your keyboard might ignite under your fingers due to you "being on a good one" programming "at the speed of thought" python *cough*
[11:38] <wizard> i've always had this fear that my keyboard is going to rebel against me
[11:38] <wizard> as its a microsoft one
[11:38] <Chetwin> lol, one of the "ergonomically bent for your hands"
[11:38] <Chetwin> From 1998
[11:39] <wizard> no no
[11:39] <mneptok> wizard: just wait until the RIAA insists on DRM for vowels.
[11:39] <wizard> its just a multimedia wireless one
[11:39] <jarrett> hehe, i'm an open source pothead too
[11:39] <Chetwin> lol
[11:39] <wizard> drm for vowels lmao
[11:39] <wizard> i just spit green tea out the nose... and i liked it
[11:39] <Chetwin> I started out on SuSE 9.1
[11:39] <Chetwin> I'm so ashamed
[11:39] <rymo> guys..any idea how to uninstall package which crashed the upgrade to feisty?
[11:39] <Chetwin> Ubuntu was just a gleam in shuttleworth's eye
[11:39] <rymo> it's polyester..template :/
[11:39] <tygus> ant_ipop, are you there?
[11:40] <lupine_85> wll nt gv p m vwls
[11:40] <jarrett> whats everyone up to tonight
[11:41] <mneptok> my nipples. it's cold.
[11:41] <Chetwin> Smoking pit and trying to fix my boot problem
[11:41] <Chetwin> pot*
[11:41] <wizard> Chetwin: i was a susian too
[11:41] <wizard> my server still remains suse
[11:41] <wizard> its not abad os... infact
[11:41] <wizard> theres only one such "Bad" linux distro
[11:41] <wizard> Linspire
[11:41] <Chetwin> wizard: I miss it when it used to actually work
[11:41] <jarrett> whats your boot problem?
[11:41] <Chetwin> This guy said LinDows
[11:41] <Chetwin> lol!
[11:42] <Chetwin> jarret: it locks up at "Configuring network interfaces"
[11:42] <Chetwin> for about 45 seconds and then continues to boot
[11:42] <jarrett> is it a fresh beta install?
[11:42] <Chetwin> Nope
[11:43] <Chetwin> I think the issue is that my wireless is ipw3945
[11:43] <Chetwin> Intel
[11:43] <tygus_> then I upgraded to 6.10, and last night I downloaded 7.04 and now I got it almost working
[11:43] <Chetwin> So the drivers are the unsupported ones
[11:43] <wizard> tygus_: and you even made your own starwars film
[11:43] <wizard> attack of the xorg
[11:43] <Chetwin> 6.10 used to do it too
[11:43] <jarrett> wait, so it still boots, it just hangs for awhile?
[11:43] <tygus_> jaja
[11:43] <mneptok> Chetwin: i have similar issues. including the static WPA/IP setup not working.
[11:44] <Chetwin> Well I have 2GB of ram, this should be an issue
[11:44] <tygus_> I'll go to sleep, May be tomorrow I can fix my beryl...
[11:45] <jarrett> are you using ndiswrapper?
[11:45] <tygus_> bye
[11:45] <jarrett> nite
[11:45] <Chetwin> No,no ndis
[11:45] <mneptok> jarrett: 3945 does not require ndiswrapper
[11:45] <Chetwin> A message pops up when i install feisty
[11:45] <Chetwin> Saying it's using drivers that aren't integrated or something
[11:46] <Chetwin> My ipw is one and nvidia driver is the other
[11:46] <mneptok> Chetwin: only because the open drivers from Intel have a non-GPL-compatible license
[11:46] <Chetwin> So why is it slowing my boot process
[11:46] <Chetwin> Should I just go download one from the intel site?
[11:46] <mneptok> do you want fast, predictable performance?
[11:46] <mneptok> install Dapper
[11:47] <Thib_G> Hello
[11:47] <mneptok> :P
[11:47] <Chetwin> F dapper
[11:47] <mneptok> then live with bugs
[11:47] <Thib_G> Some apps freeze without reason... including mines
[11:47] <Chetwin> Installing all the propriety crap for things that SHOULD be integrated
[11:47] <Chetwin> Dapper lags
[11:48] <Thib_G> All of theses applications uses GTK and start freezing randomly
[11:48] <Thib_G> but when any of this application had frozen, each time I try to run it, it freeze, until I reboot
[11:49] <mneptok> Thib_G: et quand tu n'as pas accel. de video?
[11:50] <Thib_G> mneptok: comment a ?
[11:51] <mneptok> Thib_G: are you using Beryl/Compiz?
[11:51] <jarrett> Chetwin: Pressing Ctrl+C when it hangs will allow you to cancel network configuration and proceed.
[11:51] <Thib_G> With strace, I can see the app blocking with a futex(), after failed to connect to an ORBit socket
[11:52] <Chetwin> If it did?  What could we do to make that automated
[11:52] <mneptok> Thib_G: have you run a dist-upgrade?
[11:52] <Thib_G> mneptok: yes, but it occures with metacity too
[11:52] <Thib_G> yes
[11:52] <jarrett> Chetwin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2407365
[11:52] <Chetwin> ty
[11:53] <jarrett> np
[11:53] <mneptok> Thib_G: file a bug against the package is question and attach the strace, stp?
[11:53] <mneptok> s/is/in/
[11:53] <Chetwin> NICE
[11:53] <Chetwin> TY
[11:53] <jarrett> np, wanted to help my fellow toker
[11:54] <pwuertz> how can I delete keys in gconf? gconftool-2 does not work
[11:54] <Thib_G> mneptok: it occures with many apps, including gnome-btdownload, beryl-manager and home-mades
[11:54] <pwuertz> it just does nothing... no error message neither
[11:54] <mneptok> Thib_G: start with one of them. then the devs can sort it out.
[11:55] <Thib_G> mneptok: I'm sure it's not related to any of this programs, but with GTK itself
[11:56] <mneptok> Thib_G: fine. diagnose it yourself. but i'm lazy and would let LP sort it for me. ;)
[11:57] <Chetwin> YES!
[11:57] <Chetwin> FIXED
[11:58] <wizard> Chetwin: what'd you do?
[11:58] <wizard> ah he left
[11:59] <wizard> he must of felt hte urge to have a microwavable dinner
[12:00] <mneptok> like a bat or squirrel
[12:00] <jarrett> wizard: he went here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2407365
[12:03] <mneptok> that still doesn't explain the failure of static connections
[12:04] <pwuertz> I want to delete some keys I added in gconf... how can I do that? gconf-editor does not support this operation
[12:05] <wizard> jarrett: hmmm
[12:14] <cliebow>   19th?
[12:31] <Hidan> xtknight: yo howdy!
[12:41] <odzx> hi everyone. can someone help me get my mic to work?
[12:52] <pwuertz> hi... my apt system is blocked... I built a deb package which failed to install...
[12:52] <pwuertz> now, when running apt, i get:
[12:52] <pwuertz> The package qcamera needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[12:52] <jrib> pwuertz: do you want to remove it?
[12:52] <pwuertz> right
[12:53] <pwuertz> but i cant run apt-get remove
[12:53] <jrib> pwuertz: dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq packagename
[12:53] <fluxy_> hello people. anyone knows the login/password for feisty fawn live cd, latest release? thx
[12:53] <pwuertz> jrib: cool thanks
[12:53] <pwuertz> alot of options :/
[12:54] <fluxy_> anyone?
[12:54] <pwuertz> damn... that didnt work
[12:55] <pwuertz> fluxy_: no password
[12:55] <jrib> pwuertz: what does it say?
[12:56] <pwuertz> jrib: your command worked, thanks :)... I built a package providing a thumbnailer for one of my datatypes... I had a hard time getting to know the debhelper scripts for doing all the mime, desktop, gconf work
[12:56] <fluxy_> hey people i really need this
[12:56] <pwuertz> fluxy_: there is no password
[12:56] <jrib> pwuertz: ah, I see
[12:56] <IdleOne> fluxy_, dont put anything in the password box and hit enter
[12:57] <pwuertz> jrib: now, all the stuff works... but after all, I need to killall nautilus ^^
[12:57] <pwuertz> because an already running nautilus wont check for new thumbnailers in gconf
[01:03] <zeroflag> does debootstrap work properly with feisty?
[01:04] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, yes.
[01:04] <lopa> i m getting X server error during live cd as well as install cd
[01:04] <zeroflag> because last time I tried the downloaded system couldn't install dmraid via apt-get.
[01:05] <zeroflag> is there any way to chroot synaptic?
[01:05] <lopa> when i insert the Live cd .First it gave me noapic error so i used the command " live noapic acpi=off) so it runs from there but after few moments it sopped n gimme this error "X server(graphical Interface)
[01:05] <zeroflag> lopa: tried different resolutions?
[01:08] <V> speaking of the live cd, can anyone plz tell me the login/password?
[01:08] <V> i cant get in :(
[01:08] <sharperguy> anyone else can't boot ubuntu?
[01:08] <zeroflag> V: the ubuntu user logs in by default, if you want root "sudo passwd" (change password) "su" (enter the password).
[01:09] <zeroflag> sharperguy: a little more specific, please?
[01:09] <V> zeroflag: no it doesnt, it shows login prompt
[01:09] <zeroflag> sharperguy: I already found 5 different problems in booting ubuntu so you've got to give me a clue. :P
[01:09] <sharperguy> I try to boot but it just hangs on usplash and then brings me to the busybox terminal
[01:10] <sharperguy> it works ok in recovery mode
[01:10] <zeroflag> V: the default life CD?
[01:10] <sharperguy> but when i got into x hal fails
[01:11] <sharperguy> also one of the sources seems to be broken
[01:11] <sharperguy> says it isnt a gzip file
[01:11] <sharperguy> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/source/Sources.gz
[01:12] <RAOF> sharperguy: I believe that's a race condition between Gnome & HAL & DBUS.  Your system must be too fast :)
[01:13] <RAOF> I *think* that there's been some jiggling to fix that though.  When did you last update?
[01:13] <sharperguy> i tried to update before i ran X
[01:13] <sharperguy> but the source is broken
[01:13] <sharperguy> and ive been updating pretty much all the time
[01:20] <pwuertz> since upgrading to 2.6.20-14 my system "hangs" at boot time when configuring network devices... it pauses for like 20 seconds... anyone with the same experience?
[01:21] <sharperguy> Mine used to do what in breezy :/
[01:24] <thyazide> oy
[01:24] <thyazide> ok so i have no sound
[01:24] <thyazide> frew isntall of feisty
[01:24] <thyazide> and cedega == borked
[01:24] <thyazide> nvidia drivers are installed, cedga says theres no support
[01:25] <xipietotec> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdirectfb-0.9.so.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ...libdirectfb-0.9.24 doesn't exist in the repos
[01:25] <xipietotec> so my player is broken
[01:26] <thyazide> ohhh the $%@#$!@ with it
[01:26] <thyazide> im going to bed
[01:27] <thyazide> then tomorrow im probly reinstalling windows so i can play wow again, had everything working just fine in 6.10 then i had to switch nvidia driver sets... and then B00m
[01:28] <RAOF> thyazide: Can't you just use wine?  I've run WoW in wine perfectly fine.
[01:28] <RAOF> Available in the repositories, just an apt-get install away.
[01:28] <thyazide> i was running wow perfectly find in cedega....
[01:28] <thyazide> i think im just not in a good mood atm
[01:28] <thyazide> lol
[01:28] <chijin> wow makes people angry
[01:29] <thyazide> and im lazy, i have cedga, i pay for it, it should @$!@%ing work
[01:29] <RAOF> Indeed.  Go complain to the company you paid for it :)
[01:29] <thyazide> yes
[01:29] <thyazide> but
[01:29] <RAOF> Or possiby nVidia.
[01:29] <RAOF> It's probably their stupid drivers that have changed something.
[01:29] <thyazide> theres also this lovely no sound after fresh install of feisty 7.04
[01:29] <thyazide> thats really PO'ing me
[01:30] <thyazide> and ive been messing with this crap all weekend
[01:30] <vega-> anyone with raid upgraded from edgy to feisty and not having this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/75052 ?
[01:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 75052 in initramfs-tools "[feisty]  non-working initramfs: failed to activate RAID (dup-of: 75681)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 75681 in mdadm "boot-time race condition initializing md" [High,Fix released] 
[01:31] <FFIXXX> hi in kubuntu what happened to my fstab mounted partions, they dont show up under media:/ anymore?
[01:31] <FFIXXX> how do i get them back?
[01:31] <thyazide> ill probly try and get wine working with wow later... just more of a pain then its worth
[01:32] <thyazide> bah ive gotta boot into gentoo just to have an alarm clock
[01:32] <RAOF> (For me, it was "apt-get install wine", insert the WoW cd, install it, and then play WoW)
[01:32] <thyazide> going to have to tweak the living shit out of it after install or it will run like ass
[01:33] <RAOF> Well, with the obvious caveat of waiting for the patches to download :)
[01:33] <thyazide> no i have an install from when things WORKED, yesterday... sitting on a hd in my machine
[01:33] <thyazide> i could just point wine to the dir and run it, but before i do that theres wine registry tweaking and setup to do inside the config.wtf....
[01:34] <FFIXXX> can anyone confirm?
[01:34] <thyazide> im already patched, if i just hadnt messed with my version of the drivers
[01:34] <thyazide> things would have been working properly still
[01:34] <thyazide> but i had to go and @$! with it
[01:34] <thyazide> oy
[01:34] <thyazide> im going to bed
[01:36] <xipietotec> is anyone else's mplayer broken in feisty?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: broken?
[01:37] <xipietotec> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdirectfb-0.9.so.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ...libdirectfb-0.9.24 doesn't exist in the repos
[01:37] <RAOF> MOTU to the rescue :)
[01:38] <xipietotec> Hobbsee:  that's the problem
[01:38] <xipietotec> 0.9.25 is installed, but it's asking for 0.9.24
[01:39] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: ahh.  fixing now.
[01:40] <xipietotec> awesome :) I don't know why it's asking for 0.9.24 specifically...I have .9.25 installed
[01:42] <RAOF> xipietotec: Because it's built against the wrong version, presumably.
[01:43] <xipietotec> ....well I was suspecting that...but...I figured someone else would have ran into it if that were the case =P
[01:47] <xipietotec> I've also got a bug in gedit I'm not sure where to report
[01:48] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: generally, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackage>
[01:48] <xipietotec> I'm not sure if it's an error in Ubuntu's gedit, or gedit itself, is what I'm saying
[01:49] <xipietotec> if you open up gedit's python console, and type 1/2 you get 0 right? now try from __future__ import division and then type 1/2....you still get 0, and you shouldn't
[01:50] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: why shouldnt you?
[01:50] <xipietotec> do the same thing in the command line console, it changes the syntax of division
[01:51] <Hobbsee> weird.  so now it's doing float division, as opposed to integer division
[01:51] <xipietotec> yes, but the python console in gedit doesn't import it right
[01:53] <xipietotec> it returns no errors either, which is worrisome
[01:56] <FFIXXX> no one here using kubuntu?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> FFIXXX: i am
[01:57] <RAOF> Wow, it's nice of gaim to be so accomodating and crashing so dependably under valgrind :S
[01:58] <IdleOne> so when Feisty is released will support for it move to #ubuntu and if so that will mean that 3 versions of ubuntu will be supported in one channel?? I hope the powers that be decide to go with a #ubuntu-feisty
[01:59] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: it'll all be #ubuntu
[01:59] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: which has happened for previous releases, too
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and feisty+1 will be in #ubuntu+1
[01:59] <FFIXXX> Hobbsee: can you still see your fstab mounted partions under media:/
[01:59] <FFIXXX> ?
[01:59] <IdleOne> Hobbsee, yes but like I said 3 versions will cause confusion in one channel I think
[01:59] <Hobbsee> FFIXXX: yes
[01:59] <FFIXXX> i only see rermovable media
[02:00] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: maybe.  that's a good thought
[02:00] <Hobbsee> FFIXXX: that's weird.
[02:00] <FFIXXX> i found this bug:
[02:00] <FFIXXX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/73227
[02:00] <IdleOne> at the same time we cant have 100 diff ubuntu support channels lol there are to many as it is
[02:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 73227 in hal "[feisty]  some partitions do not appear in Places menu" [Medium,Fix released] 
[02:00] <_RadioHead> hello
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hi _RadioHead
[02:01] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: indeed.
[02:01] <IdleOne> heya _RadioHead
[02:01] <_RadioHead> Hobbsee: i download ubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[02:01] <FFIXXX> yeah it was working before but not anymore since last week
[02:01] <_RadioHead> but when i try to start ubuntu as live cd with safe graphic i cant login it ask me for a passwd
[02:02] <_RadioHead> error is
[02:02] <IdleOne> _RadioHead, password should be left blank
[02:02] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: i'll have to upload that later
[02:03] <_RadioHead> authentification failed. Letters must be typed in the correct case
[02:03] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: and user?
[02:03] <IdleOne> user is ubuntu
[02:03] <phaidros> since I dist-upgraded to feisty sleep isn't working anymore, when waking up, screen remains black. just no console and no X, can swicth do console, login and reboot (all blind ;)) .. using xorg ati driver .. any ideas?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> FFIXXX: may be from:
[02:03] <Hobbsee>   * debian/patches/24_ignored_volumes.patch: Ignore partitions which are
[02:03] <Hobbsee>     mounted by default in /etc/fstab only when they are not currently mounted
[02:03] <Hobbsee>     (this could happen on damaged partitions, failed fsck, etc., and
[02:03] <Hobbsee>     inexperienced users should not randomly mount those.). Since this would
[02:03] <Hobbsee>     make system partitions visible, limit the visible ones to /media/ again,
[02:03] <Hobbsee>     as in previous Ubuntu releases. (LP: #73227)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> bug 73227
[02:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 73227 in hal "[feisty]  some partitions do not appear in Places menu" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73227
[02:03] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: same again dude
[02:04] <Hobbsee> oh, same one
[02:04] <IdleOne> unless there is some hacked version of 7.04 out there and all you ppl are downloading it
[02:04] <rocky> hrm... dumb question, does anyone know if there's a gnome applet someplace that allows for adding multiple clocks to your gnome panel each in a different timezone? (standard clock applet enforces same timezone on every instance of the applet)
[02:04] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[02:04] <_RadioHead> downloaded from here
[02:05] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: ?
[02:06] <phaidros> any ideas about sleep problem in feisty?
[02:06] <IdleOne> _RadioHead, dont know the user should be ubuntu and password emtpy
[02:07] <IdleOne> empty
[02:07] <xipietotec> thankya Hobbsee :D
[02:07] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: remind me tomorrow, please
[02:07] <Hobbsee> phaidros: probably the ATI card
[02:08] <Hobbsee> phaidros: and the driver
[02:08] <phaidros> Hobbsee: well, worked in edgy ..
[02:08] <xipietotec> oh don't worry, I'll remind you incessantly, I have por...I mean RMS videos to watch =P
[02:08] <Hidan> btw, if say i changed my psu, ubuntu will not need any configurations, right?
[02:08] <phaidros> Hobbsee: any hints where to look at/
[02:08] <phaidros> ?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> phaidros: is this the binary driver from ati?
[02:08] <phaidros> nope, xorg ati
[02:08] <IdleOne> Hidan, the power suply?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> phaidros: right.  probably /var/log/syslog and /var/log/xorg*
[02:09] <xipietotec> Hidan: no, Power supply requires no configuration changes.
[02:09] <Hidan> idleone: yep... i've a suspicion my psu just died again.
[02:09] <FFIXXX> Hobbsee: i don't think my partitions are broken, there are 4 of them ext3 fat32 and ntfs on 2 drives.....
[02:09] <IdleOne> Hidan, change it shouldnt affect anything
[02:09] <Hobbsee> FFIXXX: you should hopefully get a response on the bug report.  people are buys releasting
[02:09] <Hobbsee> -t
[02:09] <Hidan> idleone: good thing, then...
[02:09] <FFIXXX> anyway i ll boot into windows and reboot kubuntu, brb.....
[02:10] <IdleOne> Hidan, make sure you are grounded ... but Im sure you knew that
[02:10] <FFIXXX> maybe they are really broken....
[02:10] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: :D do no also
[02:10] <Hidan> idleone: mmm nah i'm bringing the pc to a hardware repair shop. there might be more problems to this issue than i can handle. :p
[02:10] <IdleOne> _RadioHead, ??
[02:11] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: mean about user passwd , do no it is strange
[02:12] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: do you know when they're going to change shipit to Feisty?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: after feisty's release
[02:14] <Hidan> hobbsee: in about 1 weeks' time, feisty's going final, huh?
[02:14] <Hidan> geez brb... my nails are getting in the way of the keys. :/
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Hidan: yes.  the big freeze is in 3 days
[02:16] <IdleOne> can we expect a big update with the freeze?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: maybe.  hopefully not.  wouldnt expect so
[02:17] <IdleOne> Hobbsee, I like them big " you need to upgrade 245 packages" 
[02:17] <IdleOne> gets the old heart pumping
[02:18] <Hidan> hobbsee: i'm curious, though... after feisty's final and been released, will they continue to release fixes and updates for feisty? or will all fixes and updates go towards the next version of ubuntu?
[02:18] <fluxy> hello people
[02:18] <fluxy> i have dloaded ubuntu feisty
[02:18] <fluxy> tried the live cd
[02:18] <fluxy> but can't login
[02:19] <fluxy> it asks me for username/password, i am clueless
[02:19] <fluxy> tried a lot of combinations, in vain
[02:19] <fluxy> can anyone plz help me?
[02:19] <IdleOne> fluxy, username: ubuntu password : empty ( dont put anything in the box ) hit enter
[02:20] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: dude thx for help, i fix problem
[02:20] <IdleOne> _RadioHead, no problem
[02:20] <fluxy> IdleOne: I tried that one too, in vain :(
[02:21] <_RadioHead> IdleOne: by the way if anyone ask :) again about this problem , it was CD ROM drive , i boot cd on verbose mode and then read that cant read squashfs from cd IO error :)
[02:21] <FFIXXX> well robooted into windows, my partitions are fine also booted into mandriva and where they also show up under media:/ normally....
[02:22] <IdleOne> fluxy, you running 6.10 now?
[02:23] <IdleOne> why not just an !upgrade
[02:23] <fluxy> no, i am on windows, was planning to install feisty on an empty partition
[02:23] <fluxy> i could install edgy eft, then upgrade using feisty...
[02:23] <IdleOne> yup
[02:23] <IdleOne> good idea
[02:24] <IdleOne> will take a little longer but good things come to those who wait 
[02:24] <fluxy> lol hope so
[02:24] <fluxy> i'll try that
[02:24] <fluxy> bye for now (i'll come to moan later if it doesnt work ;) )
[02:31] <Lynoure> Why is is a better idea to install edgy and then upgrade to feisty than to install feisty directly? Or did I misunderstand?
[02:31] <sonoftheclayr> hi all, i'm having trouble with my console. it flickers but x is perfectly fine
[02:32] <Zewey_> Lynoure: probably because feisty isn't officially released yet
[02:32] <fl2032> hi, i tried to update my ipw2000 drivers. i a howto, i was told to remove the old drivers via ./remove-old... when i tried to install the new ones, there were some errors.. how do i get my old drivers back?! :(
[02:32] <sonoftheclayr> any ideas? it is really annoyin
[02:33] <Lynoure> Zewey_: yes, but this is the beta channel :)
[02:35] <Zewey_> Lynoure: yep, it is :)
[02:38] <fl2032> is there something line ./reinstall-old?
[02:38] <fl2032> like
[02:52] <vio> hi guyes
[02:52] <vio> i installed xgl+beryl and my "alt-gr" stopped working
[02:56] <JuJuBee> I am trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 and I get an error on the console...
[02:56] <JuJuBee> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/14718/
[02:56] <coz_> guys anyone know what happened to  libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2.so no longer in feisty repos or on the system
[02:57] <JuJuBee> The GUI displays the following error
[02:57] <JuJuBee> Authentication failed
[02:57] <JuJuBee> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[02:59] <IdleOne> JuJuBee, server may be down right now
[03:00] <JuJuBee> OK, just want to make sure it was not on my end.   Ihave been having trouble with my system running admin tasks.
[03:01] <JuJuBee> My user is supposed to be able to admin the system and I cannot create or edit users  anymore for some reason.
[03:03] <marshall> hey guys
[03:04] <marshall> how do you make it so your root apps have the same theme as your regular apps?
[03:06] <LjL> marshall: do "sudo -i" in a console, then type (iirc) "gnome-control-panel"
[03:06] <LjL> and/or whatever other program is relevant to change themes and such
[03:07] <marshall> what does that do?
[03:13] <coz_> let me ask agin guys    there is no longer a  gtkglextmm. in the reposiroies for feisty nor can i find another installation package that works what happened?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> coz_: it was removed from debian, most likely
[03:14] <Hobbsee> coz_: look for debian bugs on it
[03:14] <coz_> Hobbsee i hve debain has source packages for installatioin but they do not work on feisty
[03:15] <Hobbsee> no...they dont usually
[03:15] <coz_> Hobbsee, this is a gnome library extension
[03:15] <coz_> it was here just last week
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it's not in debian, it appears
[03:17] <Hobbsee> or my madison-lite is broken, either way
[03:17] <coz_> well I certainly hope this is remedied there ae several applications I have that depend on that libray
[03:32] <olimpico> Is it possible to install kubuntu remotely through the console?
[03:32] <IdleOne> olimpico, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: remote install
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !remote
[03:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !install
[03:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !netinstall
[03:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:33] <Hobbsee> olimpico: see the bottom factoid
[03:33] <IdleOne> ohhhh
[03:33] <IdleOne> sorry
[03:34] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: mplayer uploaded
[03:34] <olimpico> Hobbsee: What does the bottom factoid mena?
[03:34] <olimpico> mean?
[03:34] <xipietotec> w00t! thankya Hobbsee! :D
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !netinstall | olimpico
[03:35] <ubotu> olimpico: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:35] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: i'm assuming that'll fix it.
[03:35] <marshall> hey guys
[03:35] <MasteR`> i must say fiesty was the smoothest install i've had in a while
[03:35] <xipietotec> hrrm...running update and then upgrade returns nada
[03:37] <marshall> im having trouble with 3d accelleration on my intel 82845g/gl graphic chipset and ive found a thread on the forums that explains how to install the latest intel modesetting driver. do i want to get it and why?
[03:37] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: does it take awhile for the repos to reflect that?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: yes
[03:39] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: particularly at the moment, as we're in freeze
[03:39] <marshall> ??
[03:39] <xipietotec> okay, cool =)
[03:41] <IdleOne> I assume it is safe for me to remove all these unwanted kde apps that have been installed for some odd reason?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: yeah
[03:41] <IdleOne> good cause I already started the process
[03:41] <olimpico> IdleOne: I mean from scratch, I need to install Kubuntu on a Gentoo conputer.
[03:41] <IdleOne> olimpico, yes I understand and if you follow the link ubotu gave you it will tell you how to do a netinstall
[03:42] <olimpico> It is running on Gentoo, but I'm just sick of administering it from far away.
[03:42] <Zigurd> I've been looking for a workaround to the partitioner hanging, with no luck. ANy ideas, anyone?
[03:42] <olimpico> OK, thanks
[03:43] <Zigurd> I've tried ubiquity on the general, amd64-specific, and alternate install disks, and no luck with any of them.
[03:43] <Zigurd> Not in grphic mode, nor text mode. And I just tried a 6.10 install disk, also the exact same result of hanging in the partitioner. So I'm looking for a workaround.
[03:45] <freanki> hi, glxinfo crashed with a segmentation fault when I install the nvidia-glx-legacy drivers for my GeForce4 card :/ I'm using Ubuntu 7.04
[03:47] <olimpico> IdleOne: But I want to know if all the harware recognition will also be done, if I install it through ssh
[03:48] <IdleOne> olimpico, I have no idea I would assume so but i really dont know
[03:49] <olimpico> Does somebody know if with the ssh instllation of Kubuntu, the HW recognition will still work?
[03:50] <olimpico> I mean, specially for the Graphic & sound cards.
[03:50] <olimpico> And the configuration of the X server
[03:50] <digilink> I am having trouble with sound in flash videos. I have tried a couple of things to fix it, but I'm not getting anywhere. Is this a known issue or has anyone else run into this and know how to fix it?
[03:51] <allquixotic> digilink, sound sucks on Linux :) PulseAudio tends to solve my problems but not all the time. I'd recommend you give it a try but it's hard to set up
[03:51] <allquixotic> installing it is easy using Adept, but configuring it is a nightmare for a first-time pulse user
[03:52] <olimpico> digilink: Do you have problems only with flash?
[03:52] <digilink> olimpico: no, the videos play just fine, but no sound
[03:52] <allquixotic> I think his question was is flash the only app giving you trouble
[03:52] <gils> have there been no updates today yet?
[03:52] <marshall> im having trouble with 3d accelleration on my intel 82845g/gl graphic chipset and ive found a thread on the forums that explains how to install the latest intel modesetting driver. do i want to get it and why?
[03:52] <digilink> oh yes sorry, sound otherwise works fine
[03:52] <Hobbsee> marshall: probalby.  it shouldnt cause you any bugs
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gils: upload.ubuntu.com's been broken, thereofre, likely not
[03:53] <olimpico> digilink: What do you mean by no, do you have sound for the rest of the applications? Can you hear music and watch a video with kaffeine or xine or mplayer, or vlc?
[03:53] <marshall> whats modesetting though, Hobbsee?
[03:53] <gils> ahhhh i was wondering
[03:53] <olimpico> digilink: OK
[03:53] <digilink> olimpico: yes
[03:53] <Hobbsee> marshall: dont remember.  suggest you google it
[03:53] <olimpico> digilink: which version of flash d o you have?
[03:53] <gils> i thought my update manager had gone all bazooka on me
[03:53] <olimpico> Have you installed the version 9?
[03:54] <allquixotic> uhh, I'm getting a notification that there's a dist-upgrade on Feisty 7.04 O_O
[03:54] <allquixotic> is this true?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> allquixotic: you're using adept?
[03:54] <allquixotic> Hobbsee: yes
[03:54] <digilink> olimpico: flash 9
[03:54] <Hobbsee> allquixotic: it's a bug
[03:54] <allquixotic> lol
[03:54] <allquixotic> yay
[03:54] <allquixotic> so I should just ignore it?
[03:54] <digilink> I started out with the default Ubuntu install, then ran the installer from adobe in the course of troubleshooting
[03:54] <olimpico> digilink: And none of the flash videos send sound?
[03:54] <digilink> olimpico: correct
[03:54] <olimpico> digilink: or just some of them?
[03:54] <digilink> olimpico: noce
[03:54] <Hobbsee> allquixotic: yes
[03:55] <digilink> *none
[03:55] <olimpico> How did you install flash 9? with apt?
[03:55] <emet> how does ubuntu get the font rendering so pretty
[03:55] <Hobbsee> olimpico: install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:55] <digilink> no, used the install package from adobe
[03:56] <digilink> flash sound has never worked since I installed feisty
[03:56] <Hobbsee> digilink: install alsa-oss and run aoss firefox
[03:56] <digilink> ok Ill give that a try...
[03:56] <olimpico> digilink: Then you used the install package from Adobe and not a repository
[03:57] <allquixotic> Has anyone ever gotten cameleon2 to work? it seems to be a broken IDE, much like Mondrian
[03:57] <digilink> olimpico: no, I had the install from the repository first, then downloaded the installer from adobe for troubleshooting
[03:57] <Tomcat_> emet: Good code? :)
[03:58] <olimpico> digilink: OK, then I'm sorry, I really had no problems with that.
[03:58] <olimpico> digilink: I have no idea what could possibly cause that problem
[03:58] <digilink> np, tnx anyhow
[03:59] <olimpico> digilink: Try apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:59] <olimpico> If you did, then I have no idea
[03:59] <olimpico> digilink: Or if you use firefox: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[04:00] <olimpico> I use firefox and it works with this
[04:00] <olimpico> At least for me
[04:00] <Hobbsee> digilink: did it work?
[04:00] <olimpico> I have to go now, Cheers!
[04:01] <digilink> hobbsee: aoss did not, Im going to try installing flash from the repos again.....
[04:03] <Umbriel> Hi all, I have a problem with network initialization. I have 2 cards with static IP, both configured, but after booting up eth0 doesn't have asigned IP, though eth1 yes. Anyone has an idea?
[04:04] <frojnd> hello there
[04:04] <dystopianray> Umbriel: are you using network-manager?
[04:04] <frojnd> is there any repo for feisty yet to donwload opera package?
[04:04] <Umbriel> knetworkmanager, but I disabled it and still does the same
[04:04] <Hobbsee> frojnd: no
[04:04] <Hobbsee> !opera | frojnd
[04:04] <ubotu> frojnd: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:05] <dystopianray> Umbriel: have you configured the inferfaces in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:05] <frojnd> oh and how can I set that when I click on a link with Konversation, that firefox or opera opens and not konqueror?
[04:05] <Umbriel> Yes, checked by hand, and IP is there for both cards
[04:06] <Hobbsee> frojnd: set the default browser - settings, configure konversation
[04:06] <dystopianray> Umbriel: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[04:06] <Umbriel> eth0 after boot is enabled and active, but without IP
[04:06] <Umbriel> Ok
[04:08] <Umbriel> auto lo
[04:08] <Umbriel> iface lo inet loopback
[04:08] <Umbriel> address 127.0.0.1
[04:08] <Umbriel> netmask 255.0.0.0
[04:08] <Umbriel> auto eth0
[04:08] <Umbriel> iface eth0 inet static
[04:08] <Umbriel> address 213.XX.XX.103
[04:08] <Umbriel> netmask 255.255.255.0
[04:08] <dystopianray> Umbriel: I said pastebin it
[04:08] <Umbriel> gateway 213.XX.XX.65
[04:09] <Umbriel> iface eth1 inet static
[04:09] <Umbriel> address 172.16.0.3
[04:09] <Umbriel> netmask 255.255.255.0
[04:09] <dystopianray> !pastebin | Umbriel
[04:09] <Umbriel> auto eth1
[04:09] <ubotu> Umbriel: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:09] <Umbriel> Ok, sorry
[04:10] <dystopianray> Umbriel: you should probably get rid of 'auth eth0' and 'auto eth1' if you're doing static config
[04:10] <Umbriel> Ok, I'll try that
[04:11] <johnnybuoy> no, auto eth0 means connect at boot
[04:11] <dystopianray> doesn't it mean dhcp?
[04:12] <dystopianray> oh wait, sorry I'm wrong
[04:12] <johnnybuoy> iface eth0 inet dhcp is dhcp
[04:13] <Umbriel> So nothing strange in interfaces then
[04:14] <johnnybuoy> Umbriel, do /etc/init.d/networkmanager stop
[04:14] <Umbriel> If I check in knetworkmanager, it says only eth1 is active, but if I try to configure, both have config
[04:15] <Umbriel> I don't have "networkmanager" in init.d
[04:15] <johnnybuoy> wow, how does one stop networkmanager
[04:15] <johnnybuoy> yes, I see now
[04:17] <johnnybuoy> Umbriel, I think you shouldd try stopping networkmanager
[04:17] <johnnybuoy> (maybe killing it?)
[04:17] <dystopianray> isn't networkmanager supposed to ignore any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:17] <johnnybuoy> is it?
[04:18] <johnnybuoy> dunno, I'm not sure
[04:18] <johnnybuoy> Umbriel, just to try: killall /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[04:18] <johnnybuoy> and killall /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher
[04:18] <johnnybuoy> then rm /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid
[04:19] <johnnybuoy> and rm /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
[04:19] <johnnybuoy> of course, all this with sudo
[04:19] <johnnybuoy> then try to ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0
[04:21] <Umbriel> I see only the problem on booting, if I configure or ifupdown by hand it works, so how can I disable NetworkManager from boot? Remove the links in /etc/init.d?
[04:21] <johnnybuoy> ah
[04:21] <johnnybuoy> ehm
[04:21] <johnnybuoy> tough one
[04:21] <johnnybuoy> uninstall networkmanager?
[04:22] <johnnybuoy> I have no idea why networkmanager is not in init.d
[04:22] <Umbriel> Sorry, I have to leave for work, I will try to do later and tell here, or tomorrow, if it's solved :)
[04:22] <zeroflag> is it possible that the author of the dmraid script in init.d was overcautious?
[04:22] <johnnybuoy> definitely
[04:22] <zeroflag> there's a set -e, with it it fails, without it works.
[04:22] <johnnybuoy> ciao, Umbriel
[04:23] <Umbriel> See ya
[04:23] <johnnybuoy> it was, and I think that was good, now it looks like dbus apps are started by the dbus initscript, which is a pain
[04:24] <rsthree> i'm not too worried about it, but when i enable desktop effects via system > preferences, i get the wobbly windows bits but i suddenly am sans-titlebars :D  anything i need to install or adjust to fix this?
[04:24] <zeroflag> well, as long as it doesn't screw up with grub, again...
[04:24] <zeroflag> what's the linux kernel I should install? linux-generic?
[04:26] <mon^rch> !nvu
[04:26] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[04:27] <mon^rch> :(
[04:28] <mon^rch> anyone else having their internet connection dropped?
[04:28] <Answer> you are the only one to join or part recently
[04:29] <zeroflag> linux is 23MB? oO
[04:30] <mon^rch> lol you can get linux on a floppy :)
[04:30] <dystopianray> zeroflag: linux is only a kernel
[04:30] <zeroflag> yes, that's why I'm asking.
[04:30] <dystopianray> zeroflag: do you mean it's too big?
[04:30] <zeroflag> the kernel package is 23MB.
[04:30] <zeroflag> it's quite big imo, yes.
[04:31] <dystopianray> well it has almost every driver available
[04:31] <dystopianray> and some things in an initramfs or initrd or something
[04:31] <Answer> zeroflag, there are minimal distros available like xubuntu
[04:31] <zeroflag> hmmm, well.
[04:31] <zeroflag> I have a more serious issue.
[04:31] <zeroflag> at refuses to install.
[04:32] <zeroflag> and consequently, ubuntu-standard does as well.
[04:32] <zeroflag> says "Package at is not configured yet."
[04:33] <zeroflag> argh.
[04:33] <zeroflag> another initscript failing.
[04:33] <zeroflag> atd, action "start" failed.
[04:33] <dystopianray> zeroflag: did you verify the burnt cd?
[04:34] <zeroflag> I'm not installing from cd, I'm installing from apt.
[04:34] <zeroflag> I only used the live cd to bootstrap ubuntu.
[04:34] <dystopianray> oh
[04:34] <zeroflag> because live installation and alternate installation both fail to boot from my raid.
[04:34] <ErrantEgo> anyone able to help me for a quick second?
[04:35] <zeroflag> what is "set -e"
[04:35] <zeroflag> I find it in EVERY initscript that fails.
[04:36] <TheVault> I just installed Feisty Fawn and have not configured anything. My wifi light is lit up on my laptop but when I scan for networks, its not showing anything up
[04:37] <ErrantEgo> i'm using ubuntu as a webserver (my buddy set it up for me)...the thing is, I don't know the first thing about ubuntu. I would like to know how much space I have left on the hard drive. What command, if any, do i input?
[04:37] <crimsun> zeroflag: it means "exit with an unsuccessful error code" on the abnormal termination of any command
[04:38] <zeroflag> well, something's strange here...
[04:38] <zeroflag> because my scripts exit but I don't get any errors...
[04:38] <TheVault> Can someone help me out
[04:38] <crimsun> well, are commands in your scripts exiting /with errors/ ?
[04:39] <zeroflag> dpkg is returning error codes...
[04:39] <dystopianray> ErrantEgo: df -h
[04:40] <ErrantEgo> dystopianray: got it in #ubuntu, thanks
[04:40] <zeroflag> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[04:41] <zeroflag> how can I find out why at installation fails?
[04:41] <Answer> zeroflag, "set -e" seems to cause an interrupt if it fails.  you can try "set -x" for verbose execution.  http://www.research.att.com/~gsf/man/man1/set.html
[04:42] <Answer> "set -e"  A simple command that has an non-zero exit status will cause the shell to exit
[04:42] <zeroflag> last line is "stdin="
[04:42] <zeroflag> ...
[04:43] <teb> i think i found a bug, can someone help me try to reproduce it on their system?
[04:43] <teb> all you need is terminal
[04:44] <dystopianray> teb: what is the bug?
[04:44] <teb> when you sudo <application> & from a new, fresh terminal, it says password, but puts you down on the next line and your pass is visible
[04:45] <Answer> teb, sudo is supposed to hide your password not show everybody
[04:45] <teb> i'm very aware
[04:45] <teb> check out my terminal output
[04:46] <teb> thisisnotmypass was not hidden at all
[04:46] <josh_> I can confirm teb
[04:46] <teb> okay
[04:46] <teb> but if you sudo something like ifconfig then do it, it works right, right?
[04:46] <teb> you have to authenticate first
[04:46] <dystopianray> I think that is intended behaviour, if you background the sudo process it won't be recieving your keyboard input anymore
[04:46] <teb> then it works because it saves your su status
[04:47] <teb> yes, but you're backgrounding the application not the sudo process
[04:47] <Answer> teb, what if you run     sudo "command &"  with the ampersand inside the quotes?  it should handle sudo normally then bg the command
[04:48] <josh_> yeah, the quotes fix it
[04:48] <richb> Hey all:-)
[04:48] <teb> yes but then it says: sudo: nautilus &: command not found
[04:48] <teb> after you auth
[04:48] <zeroflag> "log_daemon_msg: not found"
[04:48] <zeroflag> what's that? oO
[04:48] <josh_> ha, yeah, I didn't auth ;)
[04:48] <teb> yeah, i wasn't about to but i did it just for kicks
[04:49] <zeroflag> i'm also missing /lib/lsb/init-functions
[04:49] <zeroflag> on both, live and my ubuntu standard.
[04:49] <teb> i can't imagine this is an expected behavior because after you auth once you can type sudo nautilus & and it works without problem, you're only backgrounding nautilus not the sudo process i would think
[04:50] <teb> or, is it when you type sudo you're actually starting a bg process?
[04:50] <teb> that then continues until you quit
[04:50] <TheVault> Answer: Ya here?
[04:50] <RedRose> I saw their is a new line in my Grub configuration, something about uuid, or suid, can anyone tell me what it does?
[04:50] <Answer> TheVault, to pm
[04:50] <dystopianray> TheVault: does your laptop's wifi have a hardware or software toggle?
[04:51] <TheVault> Yeah, I can press FN+my wifi button
[04:51] <dystopianray> TheVault: and what sort of wireless nic is it
[04:51] <Answer> TheVault, I think your drivers are ok.  do you know the ssid and wep key for your network?
[04:51] <dystopianray> TheVault: have you tried toggling that to see if it gets any results?
[04:51] <TheVault> It is a Broadcom 43xx and the scan shows its using eth1
[04:51] <dystopianray> TheVault: are you using ndiswrapper?
[04:51] <TheVault> Answer: I use WPA and I know my SSID
[04:51] <teb> hehe the evil broadcom43xx
[04:51] <TheVault> dystopianray: No
[04:52] <TheVault> teb: Tell me about it
[04:52] <Answer> TheVault, have you installed wpa_supplicant
[04:52] <RedRose> Anyone?
[04:52] <teb> TheVault: i've got it working
[04:52] <TheVault> Answer: It should already be installed
[04:52] <dystopianray> TheVault: so you got firmware for your card?
[04:52] <TheVault> teb: What did you do in feisty to get it working?
[04:52] <Answer> TheVault, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[04:52] <TheVault> dystopianary: yeah
[04:52] <teb> i enabled a repository for the broadcom43xx-firmware
[04:52] <Answer> TheVault, you need to setup your wpa_supplicant.conf file first
[04:53] <teb> downloaded it, modprobe bcm43xx bam working
[04:53] <disasm> anyone know if gnucash is fixed in feisty? Gotta get my taxes done this week, and need to know if I should burn an edgy cd to install to another partition for my feisty computer at home
[04:53] <teb> TheVault: you want that line for the repository?
[04:53] <dystopianray> no you don't need to touch wpa_supplicant.conf, network-manager should be able to do it all for you
[04:53] <TheVault> teb: Ahh, I have not messed with anything yet. Lemme see if I can enable it. So it should be in the resp?
[04:53] <dystopianray> and wpa_supplicant has nothing to do with scan results
[04:53] <TheVault> teb: yes please
[04:53] <teb> no, there's a special one
[04:54] <dystopianray> TheVault: you should be able to use nework-manager
[04:54] <teb> put this line at the end of your /etc/apt/sources.list file deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx
[04:54] <TheVault> Dystopianary: Yeah, I know. I love that thing
[04:54] <dystopianray> TheVault: if you're not getting any scan results then you have some sort of driver or hardware issue
[04:54] <Answer> I think the ssid is hidden so he does not see it
[04:54] <Answer> supplicant.conf needs scan_ssid=1 and ap_scan=1
[04:54] <TheVault> Answer: Nope. My XP picks it up just fine
[04:55] <ikonia> Answer: is supplicant.conf standard issue for all wireless setups ?
[04:55] <dystopianray> Answer: he doesn't need to touch the wpa_supplicant.conf file, network-manager can handle WPA
[04:55] <teb> then update your repositories, and grab bcm43xx-firmware from the repository
[04:55] <dystopianray> TheVault: does 'iwlist eth1 scan' show any results?
[04:55] <TheVault> dystopianray: Nah.
[04:55] <RedRose> has anyone had success with conecting a IPW(3945) to PEAP via WPA_Supplicant
[04:56] <TheVault> teb: I just did but i'm installing all updates right now
[04:56] <TheVault> Guys, hold on. I'm installing all updates right now to ensure nothing goes wrong. 50mins remaining for the updates to complete
[04:56] <teb> well put that away for later i guess hehe, you'd need the repository for the alternate method as well
[04:56] <TheVault> teb: Yuppers
[04:57] <TheVault> See I got tired of Edgy freezing on me when it would not connect to a network
[04:57] <dystopianray> TheVault: if you can't get the default driver working, try ndiswrapper it usually works well
[04:57] <teb> just sudo modprobe bcm43xx after you've gotten your bcm43xx-firmware package installed and it should show up in network manager
[04:57] <TheVault> It would try to connect to my network, when it failed, then it would freeze the computer. So thats why I unistalled it and now with Feisty
[04:57] <dystopianray> TheVault: yeah that bcm43xx is rather crap and unstable
[04:58] <TheVault> teb: Alright, i will write that command down
[04:58] <dystopianray> the driver i mean
[04:58] <dystopianray> teb: I think he would need to unload the module first
[04:58] <teb> on the contrary, the current one is quite nice and stable
[04:58] <teb> i didn't have to dystopianray
[04:58] <dystopianray> but loading the driver when it's already loaded is not going to do anything
[04:59] <TheVault> teb: Glad your kinda in the same boat I am
[04:59] <TheVault> teb: have not talked with many people with the broadcom 43xx card
[04:59] <rsthree> i think i had a broadcom 4311 or 4318 or so
[04:59] <teb> yeah, are you ppc or windows?
[04:59] <rsthree> returned it and acquired an atheros-based card :b
[04:59] <teb> errr intel
[05:00] <TheVault> rsthree: Yeah, I have the 4311
[05:00] <disasm> rsthree: yeah, that's what I would do ;-)
[05:00] <rsthree> TheVault, i think i was able to get it working via ndiswrapper but not with the bcm43xx module
[05:00] <teb> TheVault: the official answer to how to do this is at : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[05:00] <rsthree> i had to blacklist it, then add the windows 2000/xp driver via ndiswrapper
[05:01] <teb> yeah, i had to use an alternate method because ndiswrapper only works on x86 from what i heard
[05:01] <dystopianray> yes ndiswrappe works much better than bcm43xx
[05:01] <amx109> hi. there seems to be modules missing from the kernel that im using (grabbed via apt-get). i tried submitting this as a bug, but to no avail. is the only option i have to recompile the kernel?
[05:02] <dystopianray> amx109: which kernel and what modules?
[05:02] <TheVault> I just accidently closed
[05:02] <TheVault> The network manager.
[05:02] <amx109> dystopianray: 2.6.20-14-generic, module tda9887
[05:03] <TheVault> I closed the tomboy notes and the network manager went with it
[05:03] <TheVault> how do I get it back
[05:03] <disasm> TheVault: is it system, administration, network manager?
[05:03] <amx109> i need it to get my saa7134 tv card working. its there in 6.10, but not in feisty
[05:03] <disasm> I'm not sure myself, I use fluxbox/wpa_supplicant
[05:03] <rsthree> TheVault, i think you can alt+f2 to bring up a command dialogue then type nm-applet
[05:04] <rsthree> that should work to bring it back
[05:04] <TheVault> rsthree: THNX!
[05:04] <rsthree> no worries :D
[05:04] <TheVault> Thank god!
[05:04] <TheVault> no thank you lol
[05:05] <TheVault> Wish my updates would speed up so I can go on configuring Ubuntu to fit my needs
[05:05] <Jestre> What do the ii and rc mean when I do a dpkg -l ?
[05:05] <rsthree> yesterday i put both systems on feisty...updates weren't very swift, but i've had worse speeds i guess
[05:05] <disasm> TheVault: slow internet connection, or do you have horrible mirrors?
[05:06] <rsthree> i mean, i can't complain about 200kbyte/sec but i guess i get spoiled by 500-600kbyte/sec
[05:06] <rsthree> heh
[05:06] <crimsun> Jestre: see the dpkg man page. In short, the former means it's installed; the latter means it's removed but the configuration files remain.
[05:06] <TheVault> disasm: nah, I got fast connection. but mind you that I'm using a 100ft cable using a router so that has alot to do with it
[05:07] <Tom47> i am wondering where the restricted drivers wizards are???
[05:07] <Jestre> crimsun: Thanks, looked in dpkg (1) and didn't see a list of flags
[05:07] <disasm> TheVault: nah... I have 100 ft cables strung all over the house with 15 computers all connected, and I still range around 1 MB/s from carroll
[05:07] <teb> nice
[05:07] <rsthree> i concur; nice. :D  my gf would strangle me with ethernet cable if i did that
[05:08] <rsthree> hence: wireless!
[05:08] <TheVault> Here is another small problem. When I was running the LIVE CD, When I had the Desktop Efects enabled, when I would open up windows, nothing would show in them. Then I installed it on my computer(about 2 weeks ago) and it did the samething. Will the updates fix this?
[05:08] <crimsun> Jestre: look in the "INFORMATION ABOUT PACKAGES" section, "PACKAGE STATES" subsection
[05:08] <amx109> dystopianray: any suggestions?
[05:08] <disasm> TheVault: if your in US, I think osuosl has fairly fast mirror
[05:08] <dystopianray> amx109: no, sorry
[05:08] <TheVault> disasm: yuppers, I am in USA
[05:08] <amx109> ta
[05:08] <disasm> rsthree: lol ;-) It's all nice and pretty in the walls :-P
[05:08] <dystopianray> amx109: is the driver in any other feisty kernels?
[05:08] <Tom47> !restricted drivers
[05:09] <TheVault> Whats the Compiz Gnome Manager thing in the updates?
[05:09] <amx109> dystopianray: only tried -genereic and -386, and its not present in either
[05:09] <Jestre> crimsun: Version I have must not list the short flags, just the full word output
[05:09] <dystopianray> amx109: no i mean other versions
[05:09] <disasm> TheVault: I think it's http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/
[05:10] <amx109> dystopianray: ah. i'll have a look in 2.6.15-23 now
[05:10] <crimsun> Jestre: see ``dpkg -l |head -3''
[05:10] <Tom47> there is mention of restricted drivers wizards in http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta ... where are they does anyne know?
[05:10] <dystopianray> amx109: I was thinking more along the lines of 2.6.20-13 or -12
[05:11] <TheVault> disasm: No no. I'm downloading all the updates, said something about Compiz Cores, Compiz Easy Gnome Manger or something like that? I know what Compiz but whats the core & things?
[05:11] <disasm> TheVault: so that would be, deb http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted
[05:11] <disasm> TheVault: probly the base install stuff for compiz
[05:11] <amx109> dystopianray: oh, no. i noticed the problem when i installed the beta, which shipped with 2.6.20-13
[05:11] <Jestre> crimsun: Okay, thanks... was grepping the output so that was chopped off... Thanks again
[05:11] <TheVault> disasm: Oh. Does Compiz come with a easy to use manager so you can choose the effects & plugins?
[05:12] <TheVault> disasm: I know beryl does based on videos & screenshots
[05:12] <crimsun> !info gnome-compiz-manager feisty
[05:12] <ubotu> gnome-compiz-manager: Compiz Gnome Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 127 kB, installed size 696 kB
[05:12] <crimsun> see that.
[05:12] <disasm> TheVault: i believe so, I tend to use fluxbox with my dual core processor (i know, boring...)
[05:12] <teb> that's a pretty spiffy bot
[05:13] <TheVault> disasm: I have no idea what fluxbox is
[05:13] <disasm> TheVault: window manager, very light weight, no frills: http://fluxbox.org/
[05:13] <TheVault> disasm: linux newb here lol. I wouldn't say im a complete newb but more above the level of a newb.
[05:15] <TheVault> Wow fluxbox looks boring
[05:15] <amx109> dystopianray: its not there in 2.6.20-12 either. thanks for the help. im gonna go recompile the ubuntu kernel to confirm it is a compilation/packaging issue, and then try to bark loudly up the most appropriate tree
[05:16] <TheVault> teb: Alright my downloads are about to complete. I saved that one command for the broadcom43xx thing. So after I reload my respitories, will it ask me to download the broadcom 43xx thing?
[05:17] <teb> no, you have to search for bcm43xx-firmware
[05:17] <teb> so open up synaptic
[05:17] <teb> and search for it
[05:17] <TheVault> teb: oh alrighty. So I download it first before I do that one command you gave me?
[05:17] <squire> disam: why fluxbox on core 2 system?
[05:17] <teb> right
[05:18] <TheVault> teb: Thanks. What broadcom do you have? Mines 4311
[05:18] <disasm> squire: I like it, it works ;-)
[05:18] <teb> TheVault: 4306 but it's supposed to work for any broadcom 43xx
[05:18] <TheVault> teb: Alrighty. You on a Dell laptop?
[05:19] <teb> TheVault: nope, iBook G4
[05:19] <squire> :-)
[05:19] <TheVault> Whoa. How can you have using a mac with a broadcom chipset. Thought apple made there own network cards
[05:19] <teb> TheVault: nope, they grabbed broadcom's
[05:19] <squire> i only use fluxbox with such as dsl and gparted-live
[05:19] <TheVault> teb: Oh I see. I bet Ubuntu is super fast on the computer your using?
[05:20] <teb> TheVault: if this method doesn't work for you (i hope it does) try the ndiswrapper method on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[05:20] <TheVault> teb: Me and Nidswrapper never played good together
[05:20] <dystopianray> TheVault: I don't think apple has ever made any network hardware, they always use standard off the shelf equipment
[05:20] <teb> yeah, my graphics card isn't great, so i don't have a lot of bells and whistles enabled, but it runs great
[05:20] <TheVault> dystopianray: Oh ok
[05:20] <teb> TheVault: there's actually a link to an automated script on that site
[05:21] <teb> so all you have to do is run and you're good if i read correctly
[05:21] <squire> thevault: agreed
[05:21] <squire> prefer fw-cutter to ndiswrapper method
[05:21] <TheVault> teb: I'll just take your advice on the first step, and if that don't work....gotta resort to ndiswrapper
[05:21] <TheVault> squire: LOVE FW-CUTTER!
[05:22] <disasm> squire: the configurability is amazing, I have a bunch of key combos defined for opening everything, easy to jump to other virtual terminals, run conky embedded into desktop for sys stats, and I go nuts without my right click-desktop menu
[05:22] <TheVault> squire: Thats the most easy way to get broadcom to work
[05:22] <squire> :-)
[05:22] <squire> works 4 me!
[05:22] <TheVault> squire: Yeah. Well I'm going to try teb idea first, and if that fails, here comes fw-cutter
[05:22] <teb> squire: which version of broadcomee are you running
[05:22] <teb> dunno where that ee came from
[05:23] <TheVault> squire: probably touched your touchpad
[05:23] <disasm> electrical engineering? </snide remark>
[05:23] <teb> hah </partial laugh>
[05:23] <squire> i'm using broadcom based card here
[05:23] <TheVault> squire: what number
[05:23] <teb> which one?  4306? 4311?
[05:24] <squire> linksys wmp actually
[05:24] <TheVault> squire: Oh. I also have Gigafast USB Adapter Wireless Card
[05:24] <teb> okay, i've got to run to school, good luck TheVault
[05:24] <TheVault> teb: Thanks. Also, I'm on spring break YAY
[05:25] <squire> thevault: 4306
[05:25] <TheVault> squire: Ahh, I think you have the same as teb
[05:25] <teb> TheVault: linux for spring break, sweet
[05:25] <teb> yeah squire does
[05:25] <TheVault> teb; yuppers. Don't get in trouble lol
[05:26] <TheVault> teb: Don't make me come to your school and force you to teach linux to everyone lol
[05:26] <teb> i'd rather let them choose to choose linux or not :-)  it's all about choice right?  ours is just smarter
[05:26] <squire> disasm: it's a case of familiarity really
[05:26] <TheVault> teb: Lol yeah your right
[05:27] <squire> how long u been using flux?
[05:27] <TheVault> teb: Take care and have a good day at school. Thanks for the help :)
[05:27] <teb> alright, good luck
[05:27] <teb> np
[05:27] <TheVault> la la la waiting for downloads to finish downloading. la la la afterwards waiting for all to install
[05:28] <TheVault> squire: Do you have Microsoft fonts installed on your machine?
[05:29] <squire> thevault: um, no - why?
[05:30] <TheVault> squire: No reason. Just seeing if some people install the Microsoft fonts on ubuntu
[05:30] <TheVault> squire: I know I do. Only fonts i'm used to reading
[05:30] <squire> oh?
[05:30] <squire> oic
[05:30] <TheVault> squire: Yeah. Thank god downloads are almost done
[05:31] <squire> we all get a bit set in our ways ;-)
[05:31] <TheVault> squire: So true
[05:31] <TheVault> squire: I just hope these updates fixes my Desktop effects problem
[05:32] <squire> what updates:
[05:32] <squire> ?
[05:32] <TheVault> I'm downloading the 282 updates
[05:32] <TheVault> squire: Just installed feisty today
[05:32] <squire> ah :)
[05:33] <squire> how long has it taken?
[05:33] <TheVault> About an hour
[05:33] <squire> not bad
[05:33] <Tomcat_> TheVault: What problem?
[05:33] <TheVault> squire: consitering that i am downloading around 95k per sec
[05:33] <squire> i'm on 1meg adsl here
[05:34] <wizard> my cable will eat j00r dsls for br34kf4st!
[05:34] <TheVault> Tomcat_: Well when I installed feisty about a week ago, on the same computer that I am on now, the desktop effects would not show anything in the windows I opened nor could I shut them off cause the box was all grey
[05:34] <squire> yeah they're hefty dl's ;)
[05:34] <Tomcat_> wizard: Not mine ;P
[05:34] <Tomcat_> TheVault: Yes, that was fixed.
[05:35] <squire> wizard, sure thang
[05:35] <wizard> squire: :-P
[05:35] <squire> but u're a wizard
[05:35] <Tomcat_> TheVault: Some problems with enabling the cube persist though.
[05:35] <TheVault> Tomcat_: Alright. Well I'm downloading all the updates now
[05:35] <wizard> squire: literally complete with hat and robe
[05:35] <wizard> i use it when im on a date i don't care for
[05:35] <squire> wooooh
[05:35] <squire> :)
[05:36] <TheVault> Tomcat_: Does compiz come with a manager like Beryl so you can choose your plugins, effects & so on?
[05:36] <Tomcat_> TheVault: I use the desktop-effects window...
[05:36] <wizard> TheVault: yes
[05:36] <Tomcat_> TheVault: I think there's another one, but I don't use that. :o
[05:36] <poningru> beryl+compiz ftw
[05:36] <TheVault> Oh ok, Thats good to know
[05:36] <CarinArr> \o/ got bluetooth working
[05:36] <squire> and when u want to cast a spell on a beautiful woman?
[05:36] <TheVault> Yeah, I was reading about the Compiz & Beryl merge
[05:37] <wizard> Tomcat_: they'v bounced around control of compiz so many times its gotta feel like east germany by now
[05:37] <TheVault> CarinArr: Congrats :)
[05:37] <wizard> Tomcat_: there are lots and lots of ways to control it
[05:37] <CarinArr> was going just a bit insane for a second
[05:37] <TheVault> Is the cube really all that good?
[05:37] <mon^rch> wtf? compiz has a config tool? where? tell me please....
[05:37] <wizard> TheVault: its Aesthetic
[05:37] <Tomcat_> TheVault: It's nice... "scale" is better though :)
[05:37] <wizard> TheVault: he doesn't benefit productivity at all
[05:38] <TheVault> wizard: The only effects I would use is the Expose, and the fade windows, so when someone would come in, I could do that to hide my stuff
[05:38] <wizard> TheVault: s/he/it
[05:38] <CarinArr> i quite like the eye candy
[05:39] <CarinArr> as long as it doesn't slow things down
[05:39] <TheVault> CarinArr: I LOVE IT!
[05:39] <zeroflag> can't install ubuntu-standard because atd fails: http://pastebin.ca/431269
[05:39] <TheVault> yeah you got a point on that slowness
[05:39] <wizard> CarinArr: well one thing to look at is that its eye-candy that depends on a good gpu
[05:39] <CarinArr> but none of my machines are slow now, so woohoo
[05:39] <TheVault> wizard: CPU
[05:39] <wizard> CarinArr: it does certainly cause some slow down
[05:39] <wizard> TheVault: no, gpu
[05:39] <TheVault> wizard: GPU?
[05:40] <wizard> TheVault: if you manage your computer properly opengl/dx swhould be pushed purely to the graphics card, not the cpu
[05:40] <CarinArr> wizard: i know, was running an old laptop until recently, couldn't be bothered with it then, using proper gpus on all my machines now so all is good
[05:40] <zeroflag> opengl does everything the GPU doesn't support implicitely on the CPU.
[05:40] <TheVault> I was reading that compiz is so good, you can run it on GFX card with 32mb of ram or less
[05:41] <CarinArr> having to do it on the cpu slows things down though
[05:41] <CarinArr> TheVault: "can" is a very relative word
[05:41] <Tomcat_> TheVault: Runs well enough on Intel onboard cards... for me at least.
[05:41] <TheVault> you guys have a point there lol
[05:41] <Tomcat_> TheVault: And those cards are even too slow for most 3d games.
[05:41] <TheVault> Tomcat_: That my friend is so true
[05:41] <squire> what's the best gpu (emphasis on value rather than pure performance)?
[05:42] <Tomcat_> What's so complicated about moving pixmaps in 3d anyway? ;)
[05:42] <CarinArr> squire, that depends on what you're asking of it
[05:42] <wizard> TheVault: the way computers do things - linux even by default at times (if you use nv drivers) is to let cpu also help scale and generate graphical output
[05:42] <wizard> TheVault: when you do this, you start adding bloat... a CPU cannot render graphics as fast as a dedicated GPU
[05:42] <CarinArr> squire: if all you want to do is run beryl on it i'd get a cheapo nvidia card
[05:42] <TheVault> wizard: Thats true
[05:43] <johnnybuoy> how can I print what grub would say my partition number is?
[05:43] <wizard> therefore, there would be devistatingly noticable slowdown if someone did try to run xgl/beryl on a 32mb card and their processor was being forced to render most of the graphics as it has more allotted ability.
[05:43] <TheVault> YAY, 1min til all my downloads completely and one step closer to enjoying feisty lol
[05:43] <squire> what/where are the boundaries when choosing a card?
[05:43] <wizard> johnnybuoy: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[05:43] <TheVault> squire: Good question
[05:43] <CarinArr> squire: how do you mean boundaries?
[05:43] <johnnybuoy> nope
[05:43] <wizard> squire: a graphics card?
[05:43] <CarinArr> what will run and what won't run
[05:43] <CarinArr> or what will run well and what won't run well
[05:43] <Thib_G> hello
[05:43] <CarinArr> and if so, what is your definition of "well"
[05:43] <johnnybuoy> the partition is not in the menu.lst, I want to put it there
[05:44] <Thib_G> I can't use my HDA Intel soundcard since I installed the new kernel
[05:44] <squire> what/where are the boundaries when choosing a card?
[05:44] <squire> yeah - a gfx card
[05:44] <wizard> squire: what are you meaning by boundaries.
[05:44] <wizard> as in what ones you can run?
[05:44] <TheVault> Limitations
[05:44] <wizard> the limit is whatever the linux drivers have support for.
[05:44] <chrisbudden14> anyone not getting sound on hda intel cards?
[05:44] <mon^rch> buy nVIDIA
[05:44] <Thib_G> chrisbudden14: me
[05:44] <wizard> if you want a card that isn't supported, don't get it
[05:45] <squire> moving from option to another (cost/performance) wise
[05:45] <chrisbudden14> any soulution Thib_G
[05:45] <Thib_G> chrisbudden14: dunno
[05:45] <wizard> squire: look for ones specifically supported by nvidia drivers (which is i believe just about all newer cards)
[05:45] <chrisbudden14> alright, thans Thib_G, also does fesity stop booting for anyone at setting up lvm volume groups ?
[05:45] <TheVault> I hear all the time that Nvida GFX cards are always having problems somewhere
[05:45] <wizard> TheVault: howso?
[05:45] <TheVault> Even in Windows
[05:46] <gourdin> hi there
[05:46] <CarinArr> TheVault: in linux they're by far your best bet
[05:46] <TheVault> wizard: Donno. Like Gaming & things
[05:46] <wizard> they're the more stable linux choice. i've ran nvidia since the dawn of my computing with little error
[05:46] <gourdin> why do I have to dhclient eth1 every time I close my laptop ?
[05:46] <gourdin> (eth1 is a wireless connexion)
[05:46] <squire> thevault: yeah, me 2
[05:46] <wizard> TheVault: i even play games on a laptop thats got an nvidia and it looks and runs gorgeous.
[05:46] <CarinArr> i haven't had an nvidia card so far which i couldn't get working in linux
[05:46] <wizard> CarinArr: i did... legacy :-P
[05:46] <wizard> CarinArr: i 9 near old nvidia geforce 2!
[05:46] <wizard> it made me so mad!!!
[05:47] <CarinArr> my old dell laptop died before its card was moved into legacy
[05:47] <CarinArr> heh
[05:47] <TheVault> The only true closest thing iv had to nice GFX gameplay is my moms desktop computer. Has a kick ass GFX card and she got it like 5 yrs ago
[05:47] <chrisbudden14> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2425882 that  problem anyone experianced?
[05:47] <squire> back 2 boundaries - where do u need to consider an expensive gpu option?
[05:47] <wizard> TheVault: ATi's run hotter it seems and also just don't run as smooth... not to mention good luck getting it to work in linux
[05:47] <CarinArr> squire: if you're running heavy games, or graphics software
[05:48] <wizard> squire: with pci-express you could settle for a 7000-sieries card and never worry about it.
[05:48] <CarinArr> and depending on which, you'll want to go for different types of cards
[05:48] <TheVault> wizard: Yeah thats true. But alot of people are always talking about GeoForce Cards
[05:48] <TheVault> Not Nvidia or ATI
[05:48] <wizard> TheVault: thats cos they work in linux... so naturally there is going to be more ppp (problems per person)
[05:48] <CarinArr> squire: you could even settle for less.. 7000 series are good cards
[05:49] <Thib_G> Is there any solution to get HDA Intels working since the kernel upgrade ?
[05:49] <TheVault> wizard: Oh. Well alot of people I talk to are all up in the Windows Vista thing. Which I stay out of
[05:49] <CarinArr> chrisbudden14: not me i'm afraid
[05:49] <squire> i have ati and nvidia agp cards here but need to find a pci-express solution for a new m/c
[05:49] <CarinArr> vista is a can of worms when it comes to graphics as windows is forcing direct x
[05:49] <wizard> if someone using vista is going to have the gull to act like they know computing well... i'd laugh at them
[05:49] <TheVault> If I had a CD of Vista right here, I could shit all over the disc and mail it back to microsoft
[05:50] <squire> dpn't want to spend as much on a gpu as the entire rest of my system tho
[05:50] <TheVault> wizard: Exactly what I was thinking
[05:50] <TheVault> I'm very unhappy with Microsoft done with Vista
[05:50] <TheVault> Mac OS X catchup is all it is
[05:50] <CarinArr> squire: i have a gf 5700 in my desktop... and it works fine with anything i need to do on it
[05:50] <wizard> TheVault: however, in terms of using a gfx card in linux
[05:51] <wizard> you absolutely want to go nvidia
[05:51] <CarinArr> yes
[05:51] <CarinArr> you do
[05:51] <wizard> the suffering that comes with ati installations isn't worth while
[05:51] <TheVault> wizard: I'll consiter that when I go GFX shopping
[05:51] <CarinArr> but you don't have to go for a 7000 series when the 5/6000 series are still absolutely fine and well supported
[05:51] <wizard> and just remember TheVault the whole "ati vs nvidia" matter is entirely subjective
[05:51] <CarinArr> they're just not quite as powerful but unless you're a gamer it shouldn't make a difference
[05:51] <TheVault> wizard: Yeah, the same thing with which os you go with. Myself, I'm sticking with XP & Ubuntu
[05:52] <wizard> i throw rocks at the xp kids :-)
[05:52] <CarinArr> ati vs nvidia hardware wise is no point in discussing.. linux support wise, definitely go nvidia
[05:52] <TheVault> all about preferences. Anyway, Ubuntu is like paper on my machine, its so damn fast
[05:52] <TheVault> as with windows, its fast but not like Ubuntu
[05:52] <cypherdelic> Does anybody know, how to burn a *.img to dvd using feisty??
[05:52] <gourdin> why do I have to dhclient eth1 every time I close my laptop ?
[05:52] <gourdin> (eth1 is a wireless connexion)
[05:52] <squire> and in terms of offloading gl to gpu?
[05:52] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: k3b is a very good cd/dvd burning program
[05:53] <ompaul> cypherdelic, try gnomeburner or k3b
[05:53] <CarinArr> squire: uhm.. not sure what you mean
[05:53] <TheVault> cypherdelic: Insert blank DVD or CD into your drive. Right click on file and click "Write To Disc"
[05:53] <TheVault> Thats what I always do it and works
[05:53] <squire> gfx processing to gpu rather than system cpu(s)
[05:53] <cypherdelic> TheVault: i cant select "Write to Disk" weith *.img
[05:53] <cypherdelic> it does not exist in the right click menu
[05:54] <CarinArr> squire: the gpu is specifically designed to handle graphics processing, so it will always do a vastly better job than the cpu
[05:54] <TheVault> cypherdelic: Crap, Iv only used that with ISO files. Try k3b
[05:54] <squire> and amd, at least, are building gpus in multicore cpus iirc
[05:54] <TheVault> you will have to install k3b if you don't already have it
[05:54] <CarinArr> squire, uhm?
[05:54] <CarinArr> gpus in multicore cpus?!
[05:55] <squire> yeah
[05:55] <squire> logical step
[05:55] <CarinArr> i don't get what you mean
[05:55] <squire> closer coupling to cpu
[05:55] <CarinArr> do you mean multicore gpus?
[05:55] <squire> no
[05:55] <CarinArr> so what do you actually mean
[05:55] <wizard> he means amd now owns ati
[05:55] <wizard> and they are working to combine graphics with processor
[05:55] <CarinArr> oh dear god, i didn't even know that
[05:55] <CarinArr> lol
[05:55] <squire> mcore cpus with 1 or more gpus
[05:56] <CarinArr> anyhow.. i generally steer clear of ati so *shrug*
[05:56] <TheVault> brb later guys
[05:56] <TheVault> Thanks 4 all the help
[05:56] <squire> byee
[05:57] <CarinArr> not entirely sure why you'd want to combine them but i'm sure they've got their reasons
[05:57] <squire> bandwidth
[05:57] <squire> closer coupling
[05:57] <mon^rch> amd& ati... ewwwww
[05:57] <CarinArr> what do you mean "combine" though
[05:57] <squire> on same silicon/carrier
[05:58] <CarinArr> ah i see
[05:58] <squire> a gpu is just a specialised cpu core
[05:58] <CarinArr> yes i know
[05:58] <CarinArr> but i thought you were saying they were going to compeltely merge the gpu functionality into the cpu
[05:58] <squire> and they're all microcoded afaik
[05:59] <squire> only in the sense of adding a gpu core into a multicore cpu arrangement
[06:00] <CarinArr> anyhow, getting back to what i was saying originally, you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for a decent nvidia card that will work well with linux. the only reason you might want to fork out more is if you intend on playing heavy games or do computer graphics
[06:01] <squire> any cards to look out for?
[06:01] <Joshizzle> Hi everyone
[06:02] <CarinArr> well, the 5700 we got for the desktop was dirt cheap. i work in computer graphics and it's pretty painful to use for any real graphics stuff, but beryl etc runs fine. my workstation uses a quadrofx card which costs an arm and a leg and it's very good for computer graphics but crap for games, and my laptop card is a gf7600 go which is a very good alround one
[06:03] <CarinArr> but again, will cost you a bit more as the 7000 series is pretty new
[06:03] <Joshizzle> does anyone know about error [278.536209]  Buffer I/O error on device fd0. Logical Block 0
[06:04] <CarinArr> emphasis i suppose is that unless you're a gamer, you don't need new, so you can get away with paying well below $100 for something that will do very nicely
[06:04] <coffeemonster> hey folks
[06:04] <squire> how much is the 7600?
[06:04] <CarinArr> not sure, it came built into the laptop
[06:04] <coffeemonster> would somebody mind spending a momment to explain how i can get semi transparent windows like in this picture;
[06:04] <coffeemonster> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=45954&file1=45954-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=arsen
[06:04] <squire> oic - i'll have a look
[06:05] <squire> the problem is that i've always gone for lower-mid range stuff
[06:05] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: using fsck?
[06:05] <Joshizzle> fsck?
[06:05] <zeroflag> where are the stage files for grub?
[06:05] <Joshizzle> Im a noob
[06:05] <squire> but with a new m/c i'd likely want to plan ahead
[06:05] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: what are you trying to do that throws up the problem?
[06:06] <Joshizzle> I am just trying to install ubuntu on my old crap dell
[06:06] <Joshizzle> ...um...install
[06:06] <Joshizzle> it gets to the load screen
[06:06] <Joshizzle> does the orange bar back and forth thing
[06:06] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: using cd?
[06:06] <Joshizzle> and then the error
[06:06] <Joshizzle> yes
[06:06] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: do you have anything in your floppy drive?
[06:06] <Joshizzle> 7.04 Beta
[06:07] <Joshizzle> floppy drive was replaced with a secodary hdd
[06:07] <Joshizzle> secondary*
[06:07] <Joshizzle> I let it sit, I could bring this laptop down and tell you what is happening now
[06:08] <squire> you're past grub if you've got the orange bar
[06:08] <Joshizzle> squire: I have no idea what a grub is
[06:09] <CarinArr> coffeemonster: some programs support "fake" transparency, that doesn't update as you move windows (until you've stopped moving them), but what you're most likely after is beryl/compiz
[06:09] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: well basically what it's saying is that there's a problem with your floppy drive
[06:09] <Joshizzle> ...there is no floppy drive
[06:09] <squire> sorry, i thought u'd asked about grub
[06:10] <Joshizzle> It is gone
[06:10] <Joshizzle> I even went into bios and disabled it
[06:10] <squire> u r using the 7.04 beta live cd?
[06:10] <Joshizzle> mhm
[06:10] <Joshizzle> Desktop version
[06:10] <Joshizzle> 32 bit
[06:10] <coffeemonster> CarinArr, ah, i see. would that give me the thin white lines, and make it look simple like that too? I didnt really want to use beryl, as im worried it would take away resources
[06:11] <coffeemonster> i dont want wobbly windows and such
[06:11] <TheVault> For all the helped me with wireless, I would like to note that Wireless is now working
[06:11] <TheVault> It was super easy
[06:11] <johnnybuoy> beryl actually make your pc faster if you have a video card
[06:11] <squire> wahey!! :-)
[06:11] <squire> congratulations!
[06:11] <Joshizzle> is it my computer's fault?
[06:11] <CarinArr> coffeemonster: the fake transparency thing would probably not do what you would like it to.. but you can disable all the wobbly windows and stuff in beryl and just have the transparency
[06:11] <TheVault> Where is the manager for compiz? I just installed all updates?
[06:12] <Joshizzle> I could try tinkering with bios to completly erase it's memory of a floppy disk drive
[06:12] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: i'm not a hardware expert so i don't know.. just interpreting the error message you're getting.. has your hardware configuration as it is now worked okay in any other install?
[06:12] <mon^rch> I say there is no manager for compiz
[06:12] <Joshizzle> I reformatted before using windows
[06:12] <Joshizzle> but that was years ago
[06:13] <Joshizzle> probably before I took out the floppy drive
[06:13] <johnnybuoy>  /dev/sda4 should be (hd0,3) in grub, shouldn't it?
[06:13] <coffeemonster> CarinArr, mm ok, maybe the transparency isnt so important. how about if i just want the simple out look like that
[06:14] <Joshizzle> coffee, you can instal beryl and just disable the components you do not want
[06:14] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2369295
[06:15] <TheVault> Where is the compiz manager in Feisty? I just enabled the Desktop effects, but someone was telling me there is a seperate manager
[06:15] <TheVault> Where you can enable or disable certain effects
[06:15] <coffeemonster> i'd rather not install it, im running a laptop. i've had problems with beryl before. i just want to make my desktop look really smooth, and simple
[06:15] <CarinArr> coffeemonster: you could probably theme it to look like that.. looks pretty much like my fluxbox theme used to look.. i'm not that well versed in gnome/kde stuff tho i'm afraid;)
[06:15] <CarinArr> coffeemonster: but apart from the transparency i don't see why you can't use a theme to make it look like that
[06:16] <mon^rch> TheVault: I'm pretty sure one doesnt exist yet.... but you can tweak "some" stuff using the gconf-editor :/
[06:16] <Joshizzle> CarinArr, thank you for searching, but those guys do not have the same problem
[06:16] <feistyman> Hey everyone! Anyone using K3b, and know how I can find that mp3 plugin that's supposed to work. No luck so far. Would appreciate the precise name of the program I need to install.
[06:16] <TheVault> mon^rch: Don't wanna take a chance of screwing something up
[06:17] <mon^rch> TheVault: you want better config.... use Beryl, I guess
[06:17] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: my point was, are you sure there's not a problem with the cd?
[06:17] <Joshizzle> yes
[06:17] <coffeemonster> i think i will; im just deciding which to get; fluxbox or openbox
[06:17] <Joshizzle> cd is fine
[06:17] <TheVault> mon^rch: is that easier to configure
[06:17] <Joshizzle> but I might have to wipe all recollection of the FD in bios
[06:17] <Joshizzle> im going to try that now
[06:17] <CarinArr> feistyman: sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[06:17] <mon^rch> TheVault: it has a LOT of options... personally I'm enjoying compiz
[06:18] <TheVault> mon^rch: Well I'm going to switch to Beryl then
[06:19] <Joshizzle> Diskette Drive Seek Failure at startup
[06:19] <feistyman> CarinArr, Thank you! I just installed it, and it appears to work properly. Thanks so much!
[06:19] <Joshizzle> (as usual, now I am realizing it is the FDD)
[06:19] <CarinArr> feistyman: welcome:)
[06:20] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: people sometimes get ubuntu working with the alternate install cd when the live cd fails, not sure if that would help in your case
[06:20] <Joshizzle> I'll try that
[06:21] <Joshizzle> but, I i think I just disabled the "floppy drive" in bios, I will try ubuntu again
[06:21] <Joshizzle> If this happens again I might get the alternate
[06:22] <Joshizzle> I do not think that is the problem tho
[06:22] <Joshizzle> uh oh....
[06:23] <CarinArr> that sounds ominous
[06:23] <Joshizzle> Yes
[06:23] <Joshizzle> well, after I disabled the FDD and started ubuntu again
[06:23] <jetsaredim> cam someone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405137
[06:23] <Joshizzle> ..It is now just running through a list of [xxx.yyyyy] 
[06:24] <Joshizzle> and from what I can tell
[06:24] <Joshizzle> some hexadecimal
[06:24] <CarinArr> o.O
[06:24] <CarinArr> no clue about that i'm afraid
[06:24] <Joshizzle> well
[06:25] <Joshizzle> Do you know of any sort of program that could wipe my harddisks and let me start ubuntu from stratch
[06:25] <Joshizzle> scratch*
[06:25] <tebriel> the ubuntu installer
[06:26] <Joshizzle> well
[06:26] <Joshizzle> I can get into the ubuntu installer
[06:26] <Joshizzle> ...I guess it is time to try alternate again
[06:26] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: a simple "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic" gives you the kernel smashing thing?
[06:27] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: I can try it again and post the results to the topic...
[06:27] <jetsaredim> yea
[06:27] <feistyman> CarinArr, can you answer a couple more questions about K3b?
[06:28] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: how about sudo apt-get purge linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic"?
[06:28] <CarinArr> feistyman: you can try me;)
[06:28] <jetsaredim> purge == invalid operation
[06:28] <jetsaredim> you mean remove?
[06:29] <feistyman> CarinArr, I notice it says I have 79 minutes for the disk, when I know it should be 80. Know anything about that?
[06:29] <CarinArr> feistyman: it's probably just it rounding down
[06:29] <feistyman> Ok, so it should still deliver more than 79?
[06:29] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: actually do sudo dpkg -C
[06:29] <Joshizzle> feistyman, it is the difference between 1mb being 1024kb and 1000kb as some programs believe
[06:30] <Joshizzle> same thing with the 79 and 80
[06:30] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: a lot of "unpacked but not configured" packages
[06:30] <feistyman> So it's no big deal. You can still do, for example, 79 minutes and 40 seconds?
[06:30] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: can you !pastebin?
[06:30] <CarinArr> !pastebin | jetsaredim
[06:30] <ubotu> jetsaredim: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:31] <Joshizzle> Feistyman: Yes, whichever program is reading your CD is just giving you an exact # (I assume that the physical cd says 80 min on the cover)
[06:31] <feistyman> Joshizzle, yes, it says 80 minutes
[06:32] <Joshizzle> My CDs all say 700mb 80 min, in truth it is more like 698.98643mb and 79min and 54 seconds
[06:33] <Joshizzle> It is normal
[06:33] <feistyman> Joshizzle, Ok, Thanks. Also, where is the setting to make sure there is no space between songs.
[06:33] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14739/
[06:33] <Joshizzle> What program are you using?
[06:33] <feistyman> K3b
[06:34] <Joshizzle> Feistyman, sorry, I only know how to do that in iTunes :)
[06:34] <Joshizzle> check their forums if availibe
[06:34] <Joshizzle> available*
[06:34] <feistyman> Ok, thanks, anyway. I appreciate your help!
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> it won't put spaces between songs
[06:35] <Joshizzle> your welcome
[06:35] <johnnybuoy> it _shouldn't_
[06:35] <Joshizzle> (wow, a complete linux first time user just helped someone)
[06:35] <Joshizzle> <<<<
[06:36] <FunnyLookinHat> that's why Ubuntu is so cool   : )
[06:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Everyone helps in one way or another
[06:36] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: any thoughts?
[06:36] <IdleOne> is there a list of supported video cards and beryl?
[06:37] <IdleOne> or compiz
[06:37] <CarinArr> feistyman: right click the song in the audio project and choose add silence...
[06:37] <Joshizzle> IdleOne: check the wiki
[06:37] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: 1 sec
[06:37] <FunnyLookinHat> IdleOne, generally, nVidia and Intel graphics work best....  some older ATI cards work as well.
[06:37] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: I suppose I just run dpkg --configure on all of these
[06:38] <IdleOne> FunnyLookinHat, what about a GeForce2 mx-200
[06:38] <Joshizzle> what brand is that IdleOne
[06:38] <feistyman> CarinArr, do you need to do that for every song, or is their a blanket setting. Thanks, by the way.
[06:38] <FunnyLookinHat> IdleOne, yup, that'll work
[06:38] <IdleOne> a cool
[06:38] <FunnyLookinHat> You'll have to use the Legacy Driver though if I recall correctly...  just use the restricted driver manager
[06:38] <IdleOne> hehe just found it sitting in my pc junk box
[06:38] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: you can try that.. i was more looking for whether you had the linux-image packabroken in there
[06:39] <fluxy> Hey people. I got dapper installed and feisty livecd/install cd, i wanna upgrade, but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't give anything. Any ideas?
[06:39] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: pack-a-what?
[06:40] <IdleOne> well then let me pop it in and get to work. thanks FunnyLookinHat. I'll check back with you in a few minutes
[06:40] <FunnyLookinHat> fluxy, to upgrade to feisty cleanly from dapper you should wait till Feisty is officially released and use the update manager
[06:40] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: heh sorry package broken;)
[06:40] <FunnyLookinHat> fluxy, you unfortunately cannot use a feisty CD to upgrade a system, but you can clean install with it
[06:41] <Joshizzle> CarinArr, My alternate download is at 70%, is there any difference in the installation process? (is gparted included?)
[06:41] <eugman|shower> So how polished are things?
[06:41] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: you can do dpkg --configure linux-image-generic
[06:42] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: see what that gives you
[06:42] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: Package linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic is not installed.
[06:42] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: gparted should be included.. i think you just get an installer rather than a live thing though
[06:42] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image--2.6.20-14-generic ?
[06:43] <CarinArr> sorry
[06:43] <phaidros> ehe, gaim is renamed to pidgin ..
[06:43] <CarinArr> sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic even
[06:43] <phaidros> because of AOL .. tse
[06:44] <Joshizzle> Guys and Gals here, I while I was searching for a solution to my little problem - I came across something that will make you all appreciate linux/ubuntu   http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm
[06:44] <fluxy> FunnyLookinHat> I can't clean install coz i cant login :(
[06:45] <ubuntu-phan> Hi, can someone please tell me if the next release of Ubuntu (7.04) will have "out of the box" support for encrypted partitions which is now part of Debian 4.0?
[06:46] <CarinArr> !feisty
[06:46] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:46] <CarinArr> maybe look at features there?
[06:46] <johnnybuoy> well, people who want to encrypt a partition have to know what they are doing, so debian is fine for that imho
[06:46] <fluxy> or launchpad?
[06:46] <johnnybuoy> ubuntu is for ease of use
[06:47] <fluxy> (debatable)
[06:47] <Joshizzle> ubotu
[06:47] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: check this - while going through those packages and configurign
[06:47] <jetsaredim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14743/
[06:47] <eugman> How early is too early to upgrae to feisty? I like to rpgrade ahead of time to avoid the rush.
[06:47] <Joshizzle> if you have a big enough primary drive, try TrueCrypt
[06:47] <feistyman> CariinArr, do you know where I can find the K3b Arts Audio Output Plugin?
[06:48] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: yikes
[06:49] <fluxy> I cannot use dist-upgrade with feisty, i cannot login in feisty live cd so no clean install. So what on earth am i supposed to do??
[06:50] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: 1 sec
[06:50] <MasteR`> anyone have any expirience with cedega in feisty?
[06:51] <ubuntu-phan> johnnybouy, including the ability into the installer is intended to make it easy to set up, so that it won't require an expert to set up. How does that not fit with the philosophy of Ubuntu?
[06:51] <fluxy> Can anyone plz help me to login in feisty live cd? What username/password to use? I tried em all!
[06:51] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: same error with cupsys
[06:51] <Joshizzle> fluxy
[06:51] <Joshizzle> it is ubuntu ubuntu
[06:51] <fluxy> yes?
[06:51] <Joshizzle> sn and pw
[06:52] <fluxy> hmm lemme try that
[06:52] <Joshizzle> ....which is strange, because it auto logs-in for me
[06:52] <fluxy> brb (hopefully *after* installing feisty)
[06:53] <wizard> frickin gas guzzling core duo's
[06:53] <wizard> they eat battery life like fat people eat babies.
[06:53] <wizard> and no one has a solution to that yet eh?
[06:53] <feistyman> CarinArr, I found out there is no need to tell the new program about pre_gaps. It doesn't have them by default. What I still need apparently is the plugin to play audio within the program. Do you know the code for that?
[06:54] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: why should harddisk encryption be soething only for geeks? and why is debian fine for those who want to use that kind of enc?
[06:54] <CarinArr> feistyman: to play audio with k3b?
[06:54] <feistyman> Yes
[06:54] <wizard> phaidros: you're gonna hurt him aren't you?
[06:54] <Joshizzle> wizard: Yes, my macbook can not last more than 2 hours
[06:54] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, only people in china and USA want to encrypt their disks...
[06:55] <wizard> Joshizzle: its terrible i get 2 hours and 20 min on bat
[06:55] <Answer> encryption = slow
[06:55] <wizard> my old ibook gets 3.7 hours
[06:55] <phaidros> wizard: why should I?
[06:55] <feistyman> KarinArr, it says it needs some kind of plugin to play audio.
[06:55] <wizard> phaidros: i was just hoping lol
[06:55] <Joshizzle> are you using the cd or cd2 wizard?
[06:55] <johnnybuoy> slow and a pain in the arsch
[06:55] <wizard> Answer: what if its encrypted like on mac?
[06:55] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: bad answer!
[06:55] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: try "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text" in the terminal window then try again?
[06:55] <wizard> it mounts it and uses it and then encrypts it on logouts
[06:55] <Joshizzle> ahhh dang my battery just dropped from 53 to 42 in less than a minute
[06:56] <CarinArr> feistyman: sorry i haven't a clue, i only use it to burn cds, not to listen to them;)
[06:56] <wizard> Joshizzle: 0.o
[06:56] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: digital surveillance is discused throughout all governments lately. encryption should be easy to use for my grandma, should be even standard
[06:56] <wizard> did you do something that made the proc go up even a hair? lol
[06:56] <johnnybuoy> why would someone want to encrypt his partition?
[06:56] <wizard> is 44c a good temp for a cpu to run at?
[06:56] <feistyman> Me too. It would just be to check the song real quick.
[06:56] <Answer> wizard, MAC's rule, but still in general encryption=slow.  Maybe MAC does it on logout to make it less painful
[06:56] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: because of privacy?
[06:56] <Joshizzle> feistyman: just use VLC for listening and k3b for burning
[06:56] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: sweet - that worked
[06:56] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, true, definitely, we are getting there, and with dual core machines the slowness is not as noticable
[06:57] <feistyman> What's vlc?
[06:57] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: why do you lock you door? why do you put an envelope around your letters?
[06:57] <Joshizzle> VLC is the best media player
[06:57] <johnnybuoy> but we now need an encryption that can not be decrypted by the government
[06:57] <Joshizzle> open sourced and al
[06:57] <wizard> Answer: i reckon if you are doing something on your computer that would justify full disk encrpytion you probably shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing on a computer lol
[06:57] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: truecrypt. 4192 bit keys
[06:57] <CarinArr> jetsaredim: good. great. i wonder why;)
[06:57] <feistyman> Does it also replace Totem?
[06:57] <CarinArr> oh well
[06:57] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, checking...
[06:58] <Answer> wizard, encryption is just a myth anyways.  an 8 bit quantum computer can break it in a second
[06:58] <Joshizzle> phaidros: stop using partitions and just make a virtual drive with truecrypt
[06:58] <CarinArr> wizard: 44 is fine
[06:58] <wizard> Answer: well 128 bit is harder to work with
[06:58] <phaidros> Joshizzle: also true
[06:58] <wizard> CarinArr: and spikes to 45 and 46 are the norm?
[06:58] <feistyman> Does VLC also replace Totem movie player?
[06:58] <wizard> CarinArr: cos im always worried about my laptop
[06:58] <Joshizzle> feistyman: YES
[06:58] <phaidros> Answer: where is that 8bit quatum computer anyway?
[06:58] <ubuntu-phan> johnnybouy, I remember Shuttleworth writing that he wanted Ubuntu to have "out of the box" support for full disk encryption. This kind of response is exactly why so many people complain that linux users are elitists. A simple yes or no answer is all that is required. Opinions weren't asked for.
[06:58] <phaidros> feistyman: no
[06:58] <Joshizzle> VLC>every other media player
[06:59] <johnnybuoy> ubuntu-phan, okay, so if you know the answer why start a flame?
[06:59] <CarinArr> wizard: it's fine;)
[06:59] <johnnybuoy> whatever
[06:59] <johnnybuoy> meh
[06:59] <phaidros> flame?
[06:59] <CarinArr> i wouldn't worry unless it gets a lot hotter
[06:59] <feistyman> Is there anything better than totem for movies like avi and quicktime.
[06:59] <Joshizzle> VLC
[06:59] <phaidros> feistyman: vlm, mplayer ..
[06:59] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, you are eating it too
[06:59] <Joshizzle> VLC>mplayer
[06:59] <johnnybuoy> whatever, encrypt if it makes you feel safer
[06:59] <wizard> CarinArr: alright. i was always told ideal running heats were in 20-35c
[07:00] <johnnybuoy> governments can decrypt it anyhow
[07:00] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: nope, I was just wondering why debian is for those who want encryption and ubuntu is for ease of use, that makes no sense for me
[07:00] <johnnybuoy> (in the US it's illeagal to encrypt the disk)
[07:00] <Joshizzle> well....
[07:00] <wizard> johnnybuoy: i never heard about that... come on
[07:00] <Joshizzle> johnny
[07:00] <Joshizzle> I have to say
[07:00] <wizard> macs do 128 bit by default.
[07:00] <jetsaredim> CarinArr: yea - i don't know
[07:00] <Answer> phaidros, two companies are pushing quantum encryption, http://www.idquantique.com/ and http://www.magiqtech.com/
[07:00] <phaidros> johnnybuoy: I don't care whats illegal in the us, and truecrypt can have hidden containers within containers, unfindable
[07:00] <Joshizzle> hidden mode in truecrypt is the shiznit
[07:00] <CarinArr> wizard: mine's running at 42C
[07:00] <Joshizzle> yes
[07:00] <Joshizzle> thank you phaidros
[07:00] <wizard> its illegal to do it in iran. not in the states.
[07:01] <phaidros> Joshizzle: shiznit?
[07:01] <CarinArr> heh critical trip points for my cpu temp is 104C
[07:02] <Joshizzle> phaidros: slang for "the shit"
[07:02] <Answer> I thought it was slang for shizzle
[07:02] <CarinArr> just because you use slang doesn't mean you have to know what it means;)
[07:03] <Joshizzle> www.urbandictionary.com
[07:03] <wizard> slang is overrated
[07:03] <wizard> wear a condom over your head, keep your stupid to yourself
[07:03] <Joshizzle> hey CarinArr, alternate is working
[07:03] <wizard> (forgive me for that, any ops present. slang just gets under my skin)
[07:03] <Joshizzle> is it just like Desktop ver except the installer?
[07:04] <Joshizzle> Does anyone know what LVM is?
[07:04] <wizard> dynamic partitions
[07:04] <xtknight> !lvm
[07:04] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[07:04] <Answer> Logical Volume Manager
[07:04] <Joshizzle> I think I am about to completely wipe my dell and make it ubuntu
[07:04] <CarinArr> Joshizzle: i've never really used the alternate cd, as far as i can tell it's just the installer with extra options and without the live malarkey
[07:04] <Answer> www.acronymfinder.com
[07:05] <fluxy> Joshizzle: Just tried, login ubuntu/ubuntu doesn't work :(
[07:05] <Joshizzle> fluxy
[07:05] <Joshizzle> I am sorry to hear that
[07:05] <Joshizzle> what CD are you using
[07:05] <Answer> fluxy, you should not have to login...
[07:05] <CarinArr> fluxy: uhm.. you should be logged in automatically with the live cd
[07:05] <CarinArr> snap;)
[07:05] <Joshizzle> yes
[07:05] <Joshizzle> thats what I said
[07:06] <Answer> do you have caps lock enabled?  (lol)
[07:06] <wizard> fluxy: you may have an improper cd
[07:06] <wizard> fluxy: it should never ask you for login credentials
[07:06] <feistyman> That VLC looks pretty good. Is there an easy way to change the default for everything with it?
[07:07] <Joshizzle> hey guys, my windows has a C drive (primary) and a D drive (addon) what disk should I install Ubuntu on?
[07:07] <fluxy> i thought so too, but that's not the case!
[07:07] <wizard> vlc always struck me as ugly and bland
[07:07] <Joshizzle> wizard, it is
[07:07] <Answer> Joshizzle, what is on the drives now
[07:08] <Joshizzle> but it gets the job done
[07:08] <feistyman> Wizard, which do you prefer?
[07:08] <Joshizzle> Answer: Windows, boot.ini is found on C
[07:08] <wizard> feistyman: for just general media playback?
[07:08] <wizard> i like to use mplayer within termnal controls
[07:08] <gils> hello, are the ubuntu repos servers still not up?
[07:08] <gils> no upgrades?
[07:09] <Answer> Joshizzle, do you want to overwrite windows?
[07:09] <Joshizzle> Wizard: we can fight about media players all day, but it is the difference between a good looking GUI and Playback
[07:09] <feistyman> Wizard, I don't like the way Totem Movie Player handles streaming. It won't let the thing download before it starts playing it, and it won't let me flick it back to the begin without downloading it again. That's why I want to switch
[07:09] <wizard> well... we *could* fight all day... you'd lose :-P
[07:09] <Joshizzle> Answer: Yes, it seems to me that this box is getting slow with windows (probably plagued with viruses) and I have my macbook now running windows
[07:10] <Answer> Joshizzle, if you want to overwrite windows, and it is on the c drive, then I think you have your answer
[07:10] <fluxy> :((
[07:10] <fluxy> well
[07:10] <fluxy> i thought it was a correct dload, but am gonna check that again
[07:10] <Joshizzle> Answer: ok, thank you
[07:10] <Joshizzle> Answer: After this installs will I be able to reformat my D drive to work in ubuntu?
[07:11] <Answer> Joshizzle, ubuntu can read ntfs just not write.  yes,  you will be able to reformat it
[07:11] <Joshizzle> Answer: ok, thank you
[07:12] <wizard> rhytmbox is almost pretty and effective
[07:12] <wizard> it needs a little more functionality and gnome has something that could possibly compete against amarok
[07:12] <Joshizzle> well, windows is gone from my crappy dell....I hope I did not miss anything
[07:12] <Answer> Legoland!
[07:13] <jussi01> wizard, how about banshee?
[07:13] <wizard> jussi01: i always found banshee ugly
[07:13] <Joshizzle> Answer: Will ubuntu recognize my video card?
[07:13] <Answer> Joshizzle, have you been a good boy this year
[07:13] <wizard> unless they made it better 0.o
[07:13] <CarinArr> lol
[07:13] <Joshizzle> Answer: Are you speaking of santa
[07:14] <LegolasV> Answer: and hello too :)
[07:15] <gils> are the ubuntu multiverse/ universe servers out?
[07:15] <Ali_ix> hi channel ;)
[07:15] <wizard> hmm actually it does look like banshee is prettier
[07:15] <vpol> hi all. i have intel hda based laptop and have lagz while recording or talking using skype, gizmo, etc. is there chance that installing jackd will help?
[07:15] <Ali_ix> gils: no
[07:15] <wizard> does banshee have ipod support?
[07:15] <gils> i havent been able to update all day?
[07:16] <FFIXXX> how do i regenerate my fstab?
[07:16] <Zewey> i think banshee does have ipod and generic dap support
[07:16] <Joshizzle> Is GAIM/Pidgin the leading IM client in linux these days?
[07:16] <CarinArr> i use kopete
[07:16] <zeroflag> grub gives me an error 15: File not found... where did I screw up this time?
[07:16] <Zewey> gils: probably just your mirror, whichever you're using
[07:17] <vpol> Joshizzle: nobody knows exactly, but should be :)
[07:17] <Zewey> gils: switch to a different one
[07:17] <gils> ok
[07:17] <wizard> jussi01: whoa! banshee is prettier than it once was
[07:17] <wizard> jussi01: but isn't it a one-man show?
[07:17] <Answer> Legolas, you are the bzflag Legolas ?
[07:17] <Joshizzle> hey guys, my ubuntu installation just asked me about a "X server" resolution, should I give it my 1280x1024?
[07:18] <Answer> Joshizzle, what is the resolution of your monitor mmk
[07:18] <Ali_ix> i have ugly gtk 1.x themes, any idea?
[07:18] <Joshizzle> not sure :)
[07:18] <zeroflag> and recovery randomly dies half way through device initialization (sometimes after cd, sometimes after usb)...
[07:18] <Joshizzle> oh
[07:18] <Joshizzle> nvm
[07:18] <Joshizzle> I got it
[07:18] <minimec> Ali_ix: www.gnome-look.org caould be your friend...
[07:19] <gr-cn> Hi to all, i upgraded to feisty 1 month ago and it was ok, today i fetch upgrade from adept and il told to me there is a new version upgrade but upgrade wizard doesn't work. Anyone know why?
[07:19] <Ali_ix> minimec: thnx, i will look there, the main problem is libsmooth that missed, and i cant find gtk-engines-smooth package :|
[07:19] <Joshizzle> wow, ubuntu installer is as easy as cake...
[07:19] <CarinArr> gr-cn: answered you earlier in #kubuntu.. it's a known bug
[07:19] <CarinArr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/102782
[07:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 102782 in adept "Cannot upgrade Kubuntu - 'next' button is disabled" [Low,Fix committed] 
[07:20] <Ali_ix> actually i mean gtk 1.x themes cant be loaded cuz of libsmooth :/
[07:21] <Joshizzle> can someone remind me of the alternate to Easy Ubuntu?
[07:22] <Answer> Joshizzle, they say mandriva is a piece of cake for noobers
[07:22] <Joshizzle> metisse mandriva?
[07:22] <poningru> Joshizzle: why do you need easyubuntu?
[07:23] <Answer> I dunno... if Ubuntu is too difficult then you should not be allowed to touch a computer
[07:23] <zeroflag> when I fix grub's menu.lst, that's what it uses when I boot from the hdd, right?
[07:23] <Joshizzle> general ease of use and a switch from windows
[07:23] <poningru> Joshizzle: easyubuntu is just a thing to help you install codecs and stuff
[07:23] <poningru> which ubuntu handles out of the box now
[07:24] <zeroflag> Answer: ubuntu is a royal pain in the ass when it comes to fakeraids...
[07:24] <gr-cn> sorry CarinArr, you're right, i tnx you in #kubuntu
[07:24] <Joshizzle> poningru: feisty beta?
[07:24] <Answer> zeroflag, just buy two identical harddrives cheapskate
[07:24] <poningru> Joshizzle: ys
[07:24] <poningru> yes
[07:24] <poningru> Joshizzle: just click on an mp3 and see what happens
[07:24] <zeroflag> Answer: I have 2 identical harddrives, but everything refuses to use them as raid...
[07:24] <poningru> double click rather
[07:25] <Answer> zeroflag, I had no problem installing raid on two identical drives... it just worked fine
[07:25] <Joshizzle> is beagle included also?
[07:26] <zeroflag> Answer: well, right now I got a basic systme installed but grub refuses to boot it because it can't find some file...
[07:26] <poningru> Joshizzle: you can install it from synaptic
[07:26] <Answer> zeroflag, which file can it not find?  vmlinuz ?
[07:26] <Joshizzle> gotcha
[07:26] <zeroflag> doesn't say.
[07:26] <poningru> error 15
[07:26] <poningru> ?
[07:26] <zeroflag> right.
[07:26] <zeroflag> yeah, error 15.
[07:27] <Joshizzle> automatrix = easyubuntu ??
[07:27] <poningru> no
[07:27] <Answer> zeroflag, in / there should be symlinks to vmlinuz and initrd.img... I think those are the only two files grub looks for
[07:27] <poningru> automatix is similar
[07:27] <poningru> but its not the same
[07:27] <poningru> and you shouldnt use it
[07:27] <poningru> Joshizzle: why are you thinking about using automatix?
[07:27] <zeroflag> Answer: I'm using a /boot partition.
[07:28] <poningru> easyubuntu was shutdown after the implementation stuff in ubuntu
[07:28] <Answer> zeroflag, and your menu.lst is pointed to the right place?
[07:28] <Joshizzle> poningru: same reason as easu ubuntu, guess it is not needed anymore
[07:29] <zeroflag> Answer: I followed the instruction on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto but they seem outdated. :/
[07:29] <Joshizzle> poningru: i heard that compiz and beryl merged...but I see that they have different um....sites and downloads....which one should I get
[07:29] <poningru> Joshizzle: they havent merged yet
[07:29] <poningru> thats future dev
[07:29] <poningru> right now they are sperate
[07:30] <poningru> I would go with beryl if you want something that is something full featured
[07:30] <Answer> zeroflag, sry I never had to debug it :/  it just worked fine
[07:30] <Joshizzle> Poningru: so which one is the "top dog"
[07:30] <Joshizzle> oh
[07:30] <Joshizzle> ok
[07:30] <poningru> compiz if you want something simple
[07:30] <Joshizzle> poningru: beryl it is
[07:31] <wizard> man banshee is eating my cpu alive to scan my collection lol
[07:32] <Ali_ix> compiz is really faster and more stable than beryl, suitable for most users
[07:32] <wizard> Ali_ix: well in theory its faster
[07:32] <Joshizzle> theory?
[07:33] <wizard> yes, for me both are slow as
[07:33] <Joshizzle> why is the compiz-beryl thing such a dispute?
[07:33] <wizard> there is no dispute for me... 3d desktops are to impress teh windows users. live on basic metacity!
[07:34] <wizard> it doesn't matter how visually appeasing you make linux... we need to focus on whats under the hood first.
[07:34] <Joshizzle> I am just curious, I might not install either
[07:34] <Joshizzle> wizard, what is under the hood is the same in every linux distro
[07:34] <wizard> Joshizzle: beryl has more features but compiz is more stable, both are beta wear and both are known to be highly buggy
[07:34] <Joshizzle> besides the kernel
[07:34] <wizard> Joshizzle: exactly ,and it needs to be imporved before linux distros worry about graphical.
[07:35] <Ali_ix> they are joining together (liek before)
[07:35] <Joshizzle> hehe, I have linux running on my iPod, that is what got me thinking about converting my old computer to ubuntu
[07:36] <wizard> so beryl and compiz are still talking about becoming one project?
[07:36] <Joshizzle> I just have to say, the ubuntu community is one hell of a helpful place
[07:37] <wizard> Joshizzle: we strive for ease of use
[07:37] <Ali_ix> wizard: they have agreed on merging
[07:37] <Joshizzle> I've noticed
[07:37] <wizard> Ali_ix: well there goes the whole family
[07:37] <wizard> compiz and beryl merging is like me and my ex gf marrying. those inlaws are a pain!
[07:38] <Answer> recompile your wife
[07:38] <Joshizzle> HA
[07:38] <poningru> rofl
[07:38] <wizard> i'll rm -rf her
[07:38] <Joshizzle> touche answer
[07:38] <Ali_ix> lol
[07:38] <Answer> apt-get remove --purge in-laws
[07:38] <wizard> if only you could put woman into hibernate mode
[07:38] <DsethE> greetings
[07:38] <wizard> and m,uch like linux, they'd crash on the way out
[07:38] <Ali_ix> dpkg-reconfigure may help :D
[07:38] <Joshizzle> the little linux code I know, I am laughing at "Answer>	apt-get remove --purge in-laws"
[07:38] <zeroflag> Answer: grub now manages to boot but it says "no block devices found" and dies.
[07:38] <wizard> rm /wife/brain/complaints -rf && chown wizard:users /wife/freedom :-)
[07:39] <Answer> no block devices found? wth
[07:39] <zeroflag> I had that before with dmraid.
[07:39] <zeroflag> but I can't remember how I fixed it...
[07:39] <DsethE> i have a problem formatting my mp3 player. i connect it with my usb-port, try to format with mkfs.vfat, but although it seems to succeed i am unable to mount it (cant red superblock) or to switch it on. formatting and mounting as ext3 works however. but i cant use it then :)
[07:40] <Answer> zeroflag, sounds simiilar to this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/83231
[07:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 83231 in udev "linux software RAID not working after herd 3 installation.." [Undecided,Fix released] 
[07:40] <Joshizzle> dsethe: try Gparted
[07:41] <Legolas> Answer: what is bzflag? (sorry for the delay, had to eat my dinner)
[07:41] <Answer> Legolas, it is a multiplayer game based on battlezone.  there is a user there named legolas like you
[07:43] <DsethE> joshizzle: gparted crashes when trying to create a disklabel. (when i look at the partition table in fdisk there doesn't) seem to be a problem however.
[07:44] <Legolas> Answer: ah, okay, wel I guess it's not me ;)
[07:44] <Legolas> well*
[07:44] <Lin> hi all.. feisty alternate disk (beta) didn't found my dlink g540 wi-fi card (atheros), but desktop install found it. Any know bug?
[07:44] <zeroflag> Answer: thanks, I'll try that.
[07:45] <Joshizzle> DsethE: Sorry, GParted is the only partitioner/formatter I know
[07:45] <DsethE> joshizzle: no prob :)
[07:46] <Ali_ix> Lin: feisty isnt realeased yet, you are working with beta versions,
[07:46] <lupine_85> just modify it with fdisk?
[07:46] <Answer> zeroflag, it sounds feasible that it would need time to init the partitions or whatever
[07:46] <Lin> yes. I want to know if this is a know bug.
[07:47] <DsethE> lupine_85: thats no prob. gparted doesnt recognize the partitioning and stuff, but i dont care about that. my problem is that mkfs.vfat is somehow unable to create a proper filesystem on the device
[07:47] <DsethE> mkfs.ext3 for example works
[07:49] <Joshizzle> sudo oem-config-prepare (sorry, i just need a place to jot this down)
[07:49] <DsethE> well, so nobody here who has any idea what might be the problem with mkfs.vfat or know a work-around for this? :(
[07:49] <Joshizzle> I'd like to thank everyone who helped me install ubuntu today
[07:49] <Lin> Joshizzle: what this tool does?
[07:50] <Joshizzle> Lin: first time startup
[07:50] <Joshizzle> which i hope will work
[07:50] <Joshizzle> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:50] <Joshizzle> YES
[07:50] <Joshizzle> wow
[07:50] <Joshizzle> i installed ubuntu
[07:50] <Joshizzle> w00t
[07:53] <yacoob> how safe is upgrading now to feisty? :)
[07:53] <ep2011> yacoob, it says in the topic that what feisty is now is more or less feisty final
[07:54] <ep2011> so its safe enough, but you may find bugs
[07:54] <yacoob> ep2011, i'm wondering about 'more or less' part :P
[07:54] <yacoob> are there any reports from tests on wiki available?
[07:54] <Joshizzle> does anyone know why my ubuntu startup is stuck at about 20% (orange bar)
[07:54] <fluxy> Anyone knows username/password to login to feisty livecd? (No it doesn't log in automatically!)
[07:54] <ep2011> yacoob, not that I know of
[07:54] <Joshizzle> fluxy, still not working?
[07:54] <Ali_ix> fluxy: no user/password in live cd
[07:55] <Joshizzle> what cd are you using??
[07:55] <Ali_ix> !lived
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lived - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <Ali_ix> !live
[07:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[07:55] <Joshizzle> !help
[07:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:55] <LegolasV> yacoob: I'm on feisty for about a month now, and haven't had problems for the last two weeks
[07:55] <fluxy> Still not working
[07:56] <fluxy> What do you mean what cd?
[07:56] <Joshizzle> yes
[07:56] <LegolasV> yacoob: (before that time I had some trouble for half a day with X.org but it was solved with the next update)
[07:56] <LegolasV> yacoob: beside that feisty is running great since I've installed it
[07:57] <yacoob> hm :>
[07:58] <vpol> anybody configured jackd?
[07:59] <Joshizzle> has anyone encountered a problem in which the boot load screen (orange bar) gets stuck (OEM install alternate cd)
[08:01] <ep2011> Joshizzle, 7.04?
[08:02] <squire> Joshizzle: no :)
[08:02] <Joshizzle> that does suck
[08:02] <Joshizzle> it is stuck at like 20%
[08:02] <Joshizzle> I suppose that a first time startup will be long
[08:02] <Joshizzle> (it was for my OSX and Windows)
[08:03] <fluxy> well, has anyone encountered a GDM window asking for username/password for logging in livecd feisty?
[08:03] <squire> it's a lot quicker than windows
[08:03] <fluxy> at least it works :S
[08:04] <Tomg> hi, dos anyone know of a uk retailer that sells laptops with linux preinstalled? or even no os?
[08:04] <Joshizzle> I am going to go check on the progress, brb
[08:08] <squire> tomg: figlabs? expansys?
[08:08] <Tomg> squire : thanks ill check them out
[08:09] <squire> np
[08:10] <nicmoe> heyho!
[08:11] <squire> why is gconf-editor not on the system tools menu in feisty?
[08:11] <squire> where the heck is it?
[08:12] <nicmoe> question: what's new in feisty?
[08:12] <fluxy> short answer: lots of things
[08:12] <fluxy> long answer: RTFM
[08:12] <fluxy> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta
[08:12] <squire> do i have to keep using a terminal?
[08:13] <Answer> squire, hit ctrl+alt+f1
[08:13] <johnnybuoy> squire, you can also start it with alt+F2
[08:14] <zdzichuBG> squire: right click on menu, select Modify menu and enable gconf-editor
[08:14] <yacoob> ...and how do I update to beta, while having kubuntu, instead of ubuntu? :)
[08:14] <xtknight> !rtfm
[08:14] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[08:14] <zdzichuBG> squire: BTW, alt+f2 is a  default shortcut for Run dialog
[08:14] <yacoob> allright, I have the url, I have...
[08:14] <zhapod> hi! i need some info about the changes in feisty. what's new?
[08:14] <squire> i've rtfm'd more manuals than i can take lately :|
[08:15] <Answer> I'd like to propose a new acronym...   rtfwiki
[08:15] <fluxy> lol
[08:16] <xtknight> zhapod,  easier installation of restricted modules and w32codecs, newer kernel, better wireless support, windows migration tools, to name a couple
[08:16] <fluxy> sorry if i hurt anyone, not my intention
[08:16] <zhapod> thx! thats quite good. my wireless is very bad.
[08:16] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, how do you install w32codecs?
[08:16] <Answer> !restricted-formats
[08:16] <xtknight> johnnybuoy, open a win32 file in totem it'll help you with a gui
[08:16] <squire> zdzichuBG: yeah - must remember to use that more
[08:17] <squire> :)
[08:17] <zhapod> @jonnybuoy: just go go to debseeker.com
[08:17] <zhapod> or search in google.
[08:17] <squire> answer: lol
[08:17] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, really? for how long has it been able to do this, because when I installed, it didn't. what repo does it install it from?
[08:17] <squire> i've got wiki exhaustion
[08:18] <xtknight> johnnybuoy, well actually not certain about w32codes.  i know it does it for mp3 and dvd, i /thought/ it did for w32 also?
[08:18] <zhapod> it does
[08:18] <johnnybuoy> there is no w32codecs in the ubuntu repos
[08:19] <zhapod> jo. just search google.
[08:20] <zhapod> thats the way, i found my w32 codecs.
[08:20] <xtknight> oh i forgot.  easier installation of nvidia and fglrx
[08:21] <xtknight> big one
[08:21] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[08:21] <johnnybuoy> restricted modules is great
[08:21] <johnnybuoy> in feisty
[08:21] <xtknight> and wireless via restricted is easier also
[08:23] <Hidan> hey xtknight :) here as usual, eh?
[08:24] <Tybor> hi.... which package provide /etc/ptmalloc.conf ? (Yeah I know configuration files actually don't belong to a specific package)
[08:24] <xtknight> Hidan, yeah spring break and it's crappy outside
[08:24] <Hidan> xtknight: ah i see... :)
[08:25] <Hidan> xtknight: on a note of irony, my pc just died... oh joy lol.
[08:25] <xtknight> :o
[08:25] <Lin> near end of instalation (feisty alternate beta). It asks me 4 a cd labeled ubuntu 7.04 feisty fawn - beta i386 (20070322.2). Why this happened? Inserting the "desktop" disk didn't help too. I had to mount / umount manually, cause it didn't umounted/ejected my discs. Any tips? (someone here had sucess intalling alternate feisty beta disc?)
[08:26] <Hidan> xtknight: yep talk about annoying... :p
[08:26] <squire> linux laptops: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/
[08:26] <xtknight> Hidan, well i have sure had my share of annoyances lately.  i'm off to try the kubuntu feisty daily pretty soon
[08:26] <xtknight> Hidan, never used kubuntu
[08:27] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs/+bug/50375
[08:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 50375 in gnome-vfs "Nautilus Hang on FTP Upload, ? PASV problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:27] <DanaG> I can't connect to my school's SSH/SFTP server.
[08:27] <Hidan> xtknight: heh i see... :) good luck and may you get Kubuntu to work.
[08:27] <exisn> Lin, my alternate disc installed without any problems. Have you checked the disc to see if it is corrupted?
[08:27] <Lin> i didn't.. I will check it
[08:28] <Lin> but it asking 4 media change not problems reading disk
[08:28] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info times out.
[08:29] <DanaG> Is there any way to fix that?
[08:29] <exisn> Sounds a bit weird, all I know is mine worked flawless, sorry I can't be of more help
[08:29] <DsethE> greetings
[08:29] <xtknight> Hidan, yup, pray.
[08:29] <xtknight> Hidan, brb
[08:31] <DsethE> man i really don't know what to do... now got my mp3-player so far that i was able to get it format itselft. i can record with it too and it shows me correct data about the available space and everything, so somehow it seems to work buuut ubuntu just tells me it cant find the superblock when i try to mount the player :,(
[08:31] <DanaG> Oh, I had issues with my portable media player.
[08:31] <DanaG> It turned out it was formatted without partitions.
[08:32] <DanaG> So I created one partition and then formatted it.
[08:32] <DsethE> DanaG: and it worked? coz when i created a partition and tried to format it the last half an hour it didnt work :(
[08:32] <DanaG> Odd.
[08:33] <DanaG> Oh, I used Linux to partition it and Windows to format that partition.
[08:34] <DsethE> DanaG: that makes sense as it seems to me that mkfs.vfat is somewhat messed up - i can create and mount ext partitions without a problem, but not so with fat partitions. and as i dont have a windows pc here...
[08:34] <DanaG> Hmm, try Ultimate Boot CD -- it may have a utility you can use.
[08:35] <DanaG> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[08:35] <DsethE> DanaG: dont have any cdrs left :D
[08:35] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:35] <DsethE> somehow i get the feeling im really f****d
[08:35] <DanaG> Look in the package manager for DOS
[08:35] <DanaG> or FAT
[08:36] <DanaG> or mtools.
[08:36] <DanaG> !mtools
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <DanaG> !info mtools
[08:36] <Hidan> dsethe: maybe you can try posting a question on answers.yahoo.com or in the ubuntu forums.
[08:36] <ubotu> mtools: Tools for manipulating MSDOS files. In component main, is optional. Version 3.9.10.ds1-3 (feisty), package size 197 kB, installed size 484 kB
[08:36] <DsethE> the player was my birthday present yesterday and now it takes me my whole eastermonday (holyday in germany)...
[08:36] <DsethE> okay will try that, thanks
[08:37] <shwag> is pidgin going to be in feisty ?
[08:38] <DanaG> New! Run Ultimate Boot CD from your USB memory stick. A script on the CD prepares your USB memory stick so that it can be used on newer machines that supports booting from USB devices. You can access the same tools as you would from the CD version.
[08:38] <DanaG> (copy-and-paste)
[08:39] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info ssh://myusername@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu:22
[08:39] <DanaG> Error: Timeout reached
[08:41] <DsethE> DanaG: thank you. but my only usb stick is my mp3 player which im trying to get to work properly. hmmmm
[08:41] <Lin> exisn: checked.. everything is all right.. I will try install again.
[08:42] <DanaG> there's mkdosfs
[08:42] <pwuertz> hi... I inserted an usb stick... but the device does not appear in gnome... i can see the device /dev/sdd1 in dmesg... I'm trying to mount it with gnome-mount... but this application seems to ignore everything I'm doing
[08:42] <pwuertz> how can I investigate this further?
[08:43] <zeroflag> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/83231 <-- does that mean that it is fixed? and if so, where can I get the fix?
[08:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 83231 in udev "linux software RAID not working after herd 3 installation.." [Undecided,Fix released] 
[08:45] <DanaG> Argh, broken gnome-vfs.
[08:49] <zeroflag> "After that I updated the initramfs." <-- how do I update initramfs?
[08:51] <Adri2000> zeroflag: sudo update-initramfs
[08:53] <eexpress> hi, i want get the clipboard' content(within a bash, like ctrl-v can give me). just like xclip can do at selected text. how.
[08:53] <Tybor> can someone pass me an example of /etc/ptmalloc.conf?
[08:55] <noname`u> Don't kill me but I'm trying to install ATI accelerated graphics driver through the restricted drivers manager... just a simple error (I think): trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/atigetsysteminfo.sh', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[08:56] <noname`u> How exactly should I go about... getting around this error?
[08:56] <TSWoodV> noname`u: Remove the fglrx package.
[08:57] <noname`u> Isn't that what I'm trying to install? :P
[08:57] <jussi01> Tybor, what package do i need installed... i dont seem to have it
[08:58] <Tybor> jussi01: I upgraded a 6.10 with apt-get dist-upgrade and at login it says it cannot found it and returns to gdm screen (I'm a 10years linux user)
[08:58] <Tybor> jussi01: I just don't know what package provide it...
[08:58] <johnnybuoy> wow
[08:58] <noname`u> lol... well that worked anyway, thanks TSWoodV :P
[08:58] <joshua_>  hmm
[08:58] <jussi01> oh... i hate upgrades... I dont have that file by the looks of it...
[08:59] <joshua_> in feisty, why are the network interfaces set as auto in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:59] <joshua_> NetworkMangler should handle them , shouldn't it?
[09:00] <kane77> hi there... will thunderbird be available from repos soon?
[09:00] <Tybor> kane77: do you mean tb2?
[09:01] <johnnybuoy> !info thunderbird
[09:01] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty
[09:01] <johnnybuoy> !info mozilla-thunderbird | kane77
[09:01] <ubotu> kane77: mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.10-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 10635 kB, installed size 29700 kB
[09:01] <micahcowan> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[09:01] <johnnybuoy> heh
[09:01] <micahcowan> There /is/ no tb2
[09:02] <johnnybuoy> this is the newest stable tb
[09:02] <kane77> :( why it isnt in feisty?
[09:02] <micahcowan> kane77, it certainly is.
[09:02] <Tybor> jussi01: oh... solved... login as root from a console and iussing touch /etc/ptmalloc.conf solved it
[09:02] <xtknight> how do i access the restricted manager in Kubuntu?
[09:02] <kane77> micahcowan, not on 64 yet...
[09:03] <reagleBRKLN> it appears feisty changes edgy default of mounting external drives sync https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/104241 how to reverse?
[09:03] <jussi01> Tybor, yeah, thats sounds likr it should do the trick... nice to hear you got it sorted
[09:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 104241 in hal "[feisty]  default sync mount of external usb is *slow*, how to reverse?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:03] <Tybor> jussi01: oh, it did....
[09:03] <Lin> there is restricted drivers on feisty beta alternate install?
[09:04] <jussi01> Lin, of course..
[09:04] <eexpress> if anyone know xclip?
[09:05] <micahcowan> kane77, available for i386, amd64, powerpc
[09:05] <Lin> jussi01: hmm I could not find the modules 4 my atheros card (wlan, ath_pci, wlan_scan_sta and ath_rate_sample). Should I enable any special option?
[09:05] <kane77> okay, why does aptitude say thunderbird has no candidate version, but it is installable from "add/remove..."?
[09:05] <kane77> isnt that the same thing?
[09:06] <Lin> mozilla-thunderbird
[09:06] <Lin> AFAIK
[09:06] <bjron> I need some help identifying the correct package to file a bug against:  sound in feisty seems to be broken for new users accounts.
[09:07] <Lin> bjron: did you user which CD? desktop or alternate?
[09:08] <bjron> Lin: this is from both booting the desktop CD, and from upgrading via the update manager
[09:08] <bjron> Lin: on two different machines (i386 laptop, and amd64 desktop)
[09:08] <Lin> hmm but from update manager you have already a working system right?
[09:09] <bjron> well, that's the weird thing, on my normal account, and at the login screen, yes, sound works fine.  But I created a new user just to see what the default desktop looked like, and no sound there.
[09:09] <Lin> bjron: in this case.. it broke the sound?  cat  /etc/group | grep audio
[09:10] <Lin> bjron: did you set the new user as a "dektop" user?
[09:10] <Lin> i really forgot.. let me check
[09:10] <kane77> will I get the final version when I install all the updates (when it is released of course :) )?
[09:10] <bjron> Lin: unfortunately I'm not at home right now so I can't test . . . yea desktop user, but I suspect you might be on to something w/ the group settings
[09:11] <Lin> i need the grep /etc/group audio output
[09:11] <Lin> then we can check deeper before report bugs ;-)
[09:12] <bjron> k, soon as I get home I'll give that a check. . . hmm, I could at least verify it doesn't do the same thing on my edgy box here though.
[09:13] <Lin> if you have really created the new user with the users-admin... and desktop user was set. This should be a problem with this application.
[09:13] <Lin> I will try here
[09:13] <bjron> oh crap, no wait
[09:13] <bjron> I tried to do it that way
[09:13] <bjron> but experienced a bug w/ the users-admin creating the user
[09:13] <bjron> so I used adduser instead
[09:14] <bjron> which of course didn't add them t othe group
[09:14] <Lin> sure it will not
[09:14] <Lin> try add it first
[09:14] <Lin> ;-0
[09:14] <bjron> so, might be a separate problem w/ my laptop and it not liking the audio hardware
[09:14] <Lin> and it is grep audio /etc/group
[09:14] <bjron> though it always worked w/ previous versions  there
[09:14] <Lin> its a possibility
[09:15] <bjron> heh, yea, I discovered that too :)
[09:15] <Lin> check it first . ;-)
[09:15] <Lin> GL! ;-)
[09:15] <Lin> glad to help.
[09:16] <Lin> now im having problems with alternate. I need it to do seed installs on my network to evaluate this new version ;-)
[09:16] <bjron> good luck there
[09:16] <Lin> bjron: thank you
[09:17] <bjron> guess I should actually get to work now :P
[09:37] <zeroflag> geeeez.
[09:38] <tecta> why isn't there a United States mirror for Feisty on http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta
[09:38] <tecta> ?
[09:38] <zeroflag> can I install dapper from feisty live via debootstrap?
[09:38] <zeroflag> tecta: US doesn't have the necessary minimum ammount of intelligent lifeforms to deserve it's own mirror. *ducks*
[09:40] <tecta> zeroflag: you're an idiot
[09:40] <zeroflag> thanks. ;)
[09:41] <shirish> guys I have been having issues with getting updates, I get errors while updating, is this normal?
[09:41] <tecta> you're welcome
[09:41] <zeroflag> shirish: updating what?
[09:41] <shirish> updates to feisty
[09:41] <zeroflag> what updates. ~~
[09:42] <shirish> everything other than sources
[09:42] <wamty> i need help setting the fan control parameters in my new linux box...
[09:42] <wamty> im running kubuntu
[09:42] <zeroflag> what errors. -_-
[09:42] <shirish> I get some some weird gzip errors and stuff like that
[09:42] <zeroflag> pastebin some errors.
[09:43] <shirish> zeroflag: where is the log kept of updates?
[09:43] <zeroflag> use apt-get to get some logs.
[09:43] <shirish> zeroflag: ?
[09:43] <zeroflag> synaptic is only a graphical frontend for apt.
[09:44] <shirish> zeroflag: I know that is why I am asking where is the apt.log kept, in /var/log right?
[09:44] <zeroflag> *shrugs*
[09:45] <zeroflag> I usually use apt in terminal which gives me some nice output...
[09:45] <shirish> I just closed that, as it was unable to get some lock somewhere hence had to shift to update-manager
[09:45] <bur[n] e1> anyone else having gnome login issues?
[09:45] <shirish> I use aptitude normally
[09:45] <bur[n] e1> i get a gray screen and a huge lag time before the desktop shows on one of my PCs
[09:46] <shirish> bur[n] e1: there have been issues reported like that on launchpad
[09:46] <bur[n] e1> shirish: i've seen no fixes and the bug was closed :\
[09:47] <shirish> bur[n] e1: sad to hear that, the responder did not even ask you for some info.?
[09:47] <shirish> for usually they ask
[09:47] <bur[n] e1> it was marked as closed before I saw it
[09:47] <bur[n] e1> i added a comment requesting to reopen it
[09:48] <shirish> zeroflag: lemme complete my updates, whatever its able to update, then will do sudo aptitude update again, will post the errors in pastebin
[09:48] <room102> Is it possible to mount an NTFS filesystem as writeable with the Feisty beta Live CD?
[09:48] <zeroflag> do that, but I won't be able to help - I'm unable to help myself. >_<
[09:48] <shirish> room102: nope, you have to get it from the repo.
[09:49] <shirish> zeroflag: what happened to you?
[09:49] <zeroflag> dmraid happened to me.
[09:49] <|NewUser|> how can i use or install new gdm theme? i just download it from web.
[09:49] <shirish> |NewUser|: hi
[09:49] <room102> shirish: Is it possible to install it whthougt installing linux on the PC itself?
[09:49] <|NewUser|> shirish: hello :)
[09:49] <Joshizzle> does anyone know of a problem where after grub the ubuntu load screen starts (orange and black bar) - the load gets 15% of the way 3/20 of the bar and stops
[09:49] <|NewUser|> shirish: now my box working fine :) no errors nothing :)
[09:50] <zeroflag> room102: run synaptic from the livecd. unless the package is larger than your ram, you can install it in live.
[09:50] <gnomefreak> |NewUser|: system>admin>login window  (for GDM theme
[09:50] <shirish> |NewUser|: go to System > Preferences > Theme & show where u have downloaded it , it will be installed.
[09:50] <gnomefreak> )
[09:50] <room102> zeroflag, ok what pakage do install?
[09:50] <|NewUser|> shirish: And gnomefreak thanks.
[09:51] <room102> *do I install
[09:51] <zeroflag> room102: add all repositories and search for ntfs.
[09:51] <shirish> room102: ntfs-3g
[09:51] <shirish> room102: its in universe repo
[09:51] <zeroflag> shirish: don't do his work.
[09:51] <room102> right, thanks
[09:51] <|NewUser|> BrB
[09:52] <shirish> zeroflag: although that would have been an interesting experiment to see if it does install on RAM?
[09:52] <xtknight> weird..you mouseover an mp3 and it starts previewing (playing)?
[09:52] <zeroflag> shirish: you could install KDE from a ubuntu live disk, probably.
[09:53] <xtknight> didnt know feisty was also psychic... ;p
[09:53] <shirish> zeroflag: I doubt it, I have only 1/2 a GB of RAM
[09:53] <zeroflag> xtknight: that's a FEATURE!
[09:53] <xtknight> i like that
[09:53] <Hidan> xtknight: good to see you again. xD
[09:53] <xtknight> wondered if anyone else knew
[09:53] <xtknight> Hidan, yeah K wasnt for me
[09:53] <zeroflag> shirish: ok, then you have a problem. :P
[09:53] <shirish> zeroflag: lol :p
[09:53] <Hidan> xtknight: lol... oh let me guess, you prefer Gnome over kde?
[09:54] <zeroflag> I have 2GB of ram which is plenty.
[09:54] <xtknight> Hidan,  yea
[09:54] <shirish> me 2
[09:54] <xtknight> at least today
[09:54] <zeroflag> well, I prefer gnome over textmode...
[09:54] <shirish> me forever a gnome slave
[09:54] <zeroflag> and I prefer gnome over grub errors.
[09:54] <zeroflag> does that make me a gnome fan?
[09:54] <shirish> true
[09:55] <zeroflag> the problems you get for having a fakeraid are just ridiculous.
[09:55] <zeroflag> it's even worse than windows...
[09:55] <room102> "fakeraid"?
[09:56] <shirish> zeroflag: there is a bug for that, I saw it yesterday, there were couple of people who came to the room, and then reported it
[09:56] <shirish> room=channel
[09:56] <Hidan> xtknight: i kinda prefer having a mixture of gnome programs and kde programs like Konqueror and a few other applications. :p
[09:56] <zeroflag> I wonder if there is any way to force ubiquity to use a fakeraid though dmraid...
[09:56] <shirish> room102: he mean software raid
[09:56] <xtknight> Hidan, pure gnome here with exception of K3b
[09:56] <xtknight> because gnome-baker is bleh
[09:56] <zeroflag> shirish: I know, their fixes don't work for me.
[09:56] <room102> shirish: What's wrong with software RAID?
[09:57] <shirish> room102: it just does not work for some people & they get strange errors
[09:57] <zeroflag> room102: fakeraids are software raids that use a mainboard controller (like nforce).
[09:57] <Hidan> xtknight: huh... gnome-baker lol...
[09:57] <shirish> zeroflag: you probably should add ur 2cents to the bug then, tht those solutions did not work, and post whatever relevant info. they ask for
[09:57] <xtknight> Hidan, gnome's cd burner
[09:58] <shirish> ok anybody knows where the apt.log is kept?
[09:58] <Hidan> xtknight: yeah i know that ... it's like kinda awful, isn't it? :P
[09:58] <room102> zeroflag: I was thinking of setting up RAID 5 over four 250GB SATA drives. I use an Nforce 680i. How would I set that up?
[09:58] <zeroflag> shirish: well, iirc dmraid is unsupported so...
[09:58] <xtknight> Hidan, yup maybe i'll make a better one some day
[09:58] <room102> I mean, avoiding the use of the nforce?
[09:59] <shirish> Hidan: xtknight: do either of u guys know where the apt.log is kept? there is nothing in /var/log
[09:59] <zeroflag> there's a pure software raid utility in ubuntu.
[09:59] <zeroflag> can't remember the name.
[09:59] <xtknight> used to
[09:59] <xtknight> hold on
[09:59] <shirish> !raid
[09:59] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[09:59] <Hidan> xtknight: i kinda really liked Konqueror 'cos it's all cool and awesome. File-manager in Gnome just didn't cut it. I've a project where i work with plenty of image files. To double-click on various directories and images is just too time-consuming. on the other hand, i can't move the files into other directories either.
[09:59] <zeroflag> but that should work much better than dmraid which is a royal pain in the ass.
[09:59] <xtknight> Hidan, interesting i love nautilus
[09:59] <Hidan> shirish: sorry can't help you. my pc just died. i'm posting from WinXP on someone's laptop now.
[10:00] <room102> zeroflag, So I should just use Pure software RAID. Ok good. Thanks
[10:00] <xtknight>  hmm /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[10:00] <zeroflag> room102: unless you want to dual-boot windows, yes.
[10:01] <shirish> xtknight: thanx but that did not help me at all, the log seems to have been stuck at the openoffice issue which happened last week. Time to file another bug.
[10:02] <neildarlow> yay! clean window corners in feisty at last
[10:02] <xtknight> shirish, hrm what's wrong ?
[10:02] <xtknight> i know about the openoffice thing
[10:02] <Joshizzle> >	does anyone know of a problem where after grub the ubuntu load screen starts (orange and black bar) - the load gets 15% of the way 3/20 of the bar and stops
[10:03] <shirish> xtknight: no. of things, first of all the log does not have any human-readable dates, this was on my mind for quite some time. Then I had some errors while updating today as well as yesterday, they have no record in the log at all.
[10:03] <pjcrosier> Joshizzle, does it resume after a while?
[10:03] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: network configuration?
[10:03] <shirish> xtknight: do u get dates with time thing on you log?
[10:03] <Joshizzle> pjcrosier: nope
[10:03] <Hidan> joshizzle: huh, does your keyboard respond when it stops loading? try hitting caps lock.
[10:03] <shirish> xtknight: you=your
[10:03] <xtknight> shirish, nope
[10:03] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: network has nothing to do with it
[10:03] <xtknight> shirish, seems to be a log only for dist-upgrd
[10:04] <room102> zeroflag, I do plan to dual-boot. But windows is going to be on it's own HD.
[10:04] <Joshizzle> hidan: no it does not
[10:04] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: no, is that the point where network interfaces are configured?
[10:04] <shirish> xtknight: what about for updates then?
[10:05] <Hidan> shirish: sounds like some awful stuff going on with your pc. may those issues be resolved, dude. :)
[10:05] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: no, it is just the blank black screen with "Ubuntu" and the orange bar
[10:05] <Joshizzle> no text
[10:05] <xtknight> shirish, weird.  one existed on edgy
[10:05] <shirish> xtknight: lol, you mean there is no update.log anywhere?
[10:05] <Joshizzle> no one knows about this?
[10:05] <xtknight> shirish, not sure .  i cant find it
[10:06] <pjcrosier> sounds just like network configuration to me Joshizzle
[10:06] <shirish> xtknight: or was it known by some other name?
[10:06] <xtknight> lemme see if i can find the one on my edgy install
[10:06] <Joshizzle> pjcrosier: lemme find a picture of it
[10:06] <shirish> xtknight: cool, I can be here all night.
[10:06] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: can you Alt+F1 to see where the boot has got too? worth doing before the hang
[10:06] <Hidan> joshizzle: well, i'd a similar problem but that's 'cos my pc kinda died on me afterwards. hardware problems.
[10:06] <xtknight> dpkg.log in var log
[10:06] <xtknight> but not in feisty
[10:06] <xtknight> wait
[10:06] <xtknight> yes in feisty
[10:07] <Joshizzle> alt f1?
[10:07] <xtknight>  /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:07] <Joshizzle> ill try that
[10:07] <Joshizzle> guys, it looks like this
[10:07] <robert_> eh, apt is  reporting I have sdl 1.2 installed, yet dosbox'es ./configure script isn't finding things like SDL_sound.h, -lsdl, etc.
[10:07] <Joshizzle> http://www.zdnet.com.au/shared/images/news/ubuntu/bootscreen.gif (without the text)
[10:07] <rockzman> Can someone tell me a tutorial to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on 7.04?
[10:07] <neildarlow> robert_: what about sdl-*-dev?
[10:07] <xtknight> shirish, did you find dpkg.log in /var/log ?
[10:07] <pjcrosier> it pauses at "checking root filesystem"?
[10:07] <shirish> xtknight: thanx, looking for it
[10:07] <coNP> rockzman: what about install mysql-server-4.1 package?
[10:07] <robert_> it's saying sdl-dev is installed
[10:08] <Joshizzle> no
[10:08] <Joshizzle> there is no text
[10:08] <xtknight> pjcrosier, maybe it's checking the file system.  you may have to wait.  for some reason the progress bar doesnt always show.
[10:08] <Joshizzle> that is the best picture i could find
[10:08] <neildarlow> robert_: and "which SDL_sound.h" returns something?
[10:08] <robert_> libsdl1.2-dev is already the newest version.
[10:08] <Joshizzle> i willtry the alt f1 now
[10:08] <Joshizzle> if it works
[10:08] <pjcrosier> Joshizzle, does it happen with every boot?
[10:08] <shirish> xtknight: ok found out about that, any idea if there is a log for the sudo aptitude or apt-get update thing?
[10:08] <Joshizzle> yes, i cant get inot the OS
[10:09] <Joshizzle> just that boot screen
[10:09] <robert_> neildarlow: nope
[10:09] <pjcrosier> ah, so ubuntu never loads?
[10:09] <rockzman> Can someone tell me a tutorial to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on 7.04?
[10:09] <Joshizzle> after grub
[10:09] <xtknight> shirish, not sure
[10:09] <neildarlow> robert_: then you don't have the appropriate -dev package installed
[10:10] <Joshizzle> pjcrosier: I am stating the computer now
[10:10] <robert_> I try to apt-get install libsdl-dev, but all I get is "libsdl1.2-dev is already the newest version."
[10:10] <Joshizzle> ok
[10:10] <Joshizzle> 1 bar
[10:10] <Joshizzle> 2 bar
[10:10] <Joshizzle> 3
[10:10] <Joshizzle> stuck
[10:10] <robert_> apt is smoking crack, imo
[10:10] <Joshizzle> keyboard died somewhere along the way
[10:10] <Joshizzle> but it works before the load screen
[10:11] <pjcrosier> and that's as far as you get in the boot-up, or it loads after some time?
[10:11] <rockzman> Can someone tell me a tutorial to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on 7.04?
[10:11] <neildarlow> robert_: there are also other sdl packages e.g. libsdl-mixer1.2-dev
[10:11] <Joshizzle> as far as i get
[10:11] <Joshizzle> I waited an hour and a half
[10:11] <Joshizzle> no dice
[10:11] <robert_> hm okay
[10:11] <Joshizzle> i even reinstalled
[10:12] <pjcrosier> sounds like a hardware issue, something not playing nice?
[10:12] <neildarlow> robert_: libsdl-sound1.2-dev sounds likely
[10:12] <Joshizzle> I wouldnt know
[10:12] <Joshizzle> it was working perfectly before
[10:12] <robert_> aah k
[10:12] <Joshizzle> but i did have windows
[10:12] <neildarlow> robert_: synaptic search is your friend
[10:12] <Joshizzle> i just installed ubuntu
[10:13] <Joshizzle> alternate CD because live/desktop had a problem with my floppy drive not being there
[10:13] <Joshizzle> well, live/desktop would not even work
[10:13] <xtknight> anyone else think Feisty is extremely fast?
[10:13] <xtknight> seems much faster than old versions for me
[10:13] <Joshizzle> one giant error screen
[10:13] <xtknight> do they have the realtime/lowlatency kernel in yet?
[10:13] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: livecd waits for a while with nonexsitent floppy drive but does continue loading
[10:14] <aah> ubuntu newbie question.  trying to find a per-user way of setting the path for the X environment.  Best I've been able to find is /etc/login.defs, but that's for every user.  ~/.bashrc and the like are for login shells, which isn't what I'm looking for, and ~/.profile didn't do the right thing either..
[10:14] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: well, at first it waited and then went into some giant error, then i went into bios and compeltly removed the floppy, then it would just crash without complaining about the floppy
[10:15] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: but I just used the alternate
[10:15] <shirish> guys seems I have to shut-down, somehow aptitude does not seem to have a lock
[10:15] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: but now it will not get past the 3/20 block
[10:15] <shirish> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:15] <shirish> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[10:16] <shirish> any ideas guys, or should I shut-down & then restart?
[10:16] <neildarlow> robert_: right package --> bliss :)
[10:16] <robert_> indeed :)
[10:17] <robert_> ooh
[10:17] <robert_> I need to remove my old dosbox
[10:17] <shirish> ok guys rebooting now
[10:17] <robert_> every now and then I come across  packages I want to maintain manually :)
[10:17] <Joshizzle> dang, ubuntu just does not want to work for me
[10:17] <robert_> Joshizzle: the universe hates you.
[10:18] <Joshizzle> robert_, it is true
[10:18] <robert_> then again, the universe hates a lot of us
[10:18] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: try booting with "verbose" as a kernel option
[10:19] <Joshizzle> how can I possibly do that if my keyboard dies when the ubuntu kicks in
[10:19] <Joshizzle> in grub verbose is not an option
[10:19] <Joshizzle> normal, recovery, and memtest
[10:19] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: i think you can edit the command line with "e". i'm no grub expert
[10:19] <Joshizzle> normal being kernel (number number number)
[10:20] <Joshizzle> neildarlow, then where would I put verbose?
[10:21] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: it should present the stored command line. just add verbose to it and then boot. someone please correct me if i'm wrong
[10:21] <Joshizzle> where should I add it?
[10:21] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: i don't use grub but i know it can be done
[10:22] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: e doesnt work for some reason
[10:23] <Joshizzle> nvm
[10:23] <Joshizzle> I dont know where to put verbose
[10:23] <aev> dont you just hit esc in grub
[10:23] <aev> or something similar
[10:24] <aev> or just start typing i think
[10:24] <Joshizzle> i did hit esc
[10:24] <Joshizzle> and hit e
[10:24] <Joshizzle> and I got to the kernel line
[10:24] <Joshizzle> but I do not know where do insert the word "verbose"
[10:24] <xtknight> how do you multithread a kernel compile?
[10:25] <xtknight> used to do it automatically hmm
[10:25] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: it doesn't matter where on the kernel commandline you put verbose
[10:26] <aev> you just toss it in 'somewhere' ? :)
[10:27] <neildarlow> xtknight: i assume kernel makes support the -j flag too. sounds dangerous though
[10:27] <Joshizzle> at the moment it says /boo/vmlinuz-2.6.20-12-generic root=uuid=174f5feb-1873-4d76b-1873-4d76-9df0-cf0c5207cc6f ro quiet splash
[10:27] <xtknight> make-kpkg -j3 didnt do it
[10:27] <xtknight> not sure how to make the kernel otherwise but i'll live with 1-thread for now
[10:27] <xtknight> kpkg is too convenient to do otherise
[10:27] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: the verbose should come after quiet to override it, i think
[10:28] <Joshizzle> ill put that in now
[10:28] <Joshizzle> hold on
[10:28] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: or remove quiet
[10:28] <shirish> it just required a proper shutdown, then things are now fine, till the next update, I guess.
[10:28] <Joshizzle> ok.....
[10:28] <Joshizzle> well
[10:28] <Joshizzle> verbose
[10:28] <Askar> can someone here help me printing on a hp laserjet 1200 attached to a xp computer?
[10:28] <shirish> guys anybody here a TV tuner card expert?
[10:28] <Joshizzle> did nothing
[10:29] <xtknight> shirish, sorta
[10:29] <xtknight> might be able to answer
[10:29] <shirish> Askar: I have the same issue, an hp laserjet 2600n (network printer)
[10:29] <shirish> xtknight: how do I figure out what to do with tvtime?
[10:29] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: did you check Alt+F1?
[10:29] <Askar> shirish: do u have some tips?
[10:30] <shirish> xtknight: i see nothing, I do not even know if I have the drivers or something?
[10:30] <xtknight> shirish, is the capture device setup and everything?  not sure about tvtime in particular
[10:30] <Joshizzle> when can I hit alt f1?
[10:30] <shirish> Askar: nope, I have been meaning to work on that
[10:30] <xtknight> shirish,  hmm 'sudo lshw | less', do you see the tv tuner with a driver loaded?
[10:30] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: as soon as the graphic screen comes up
[10:30] <shirish> xtknight: do u know any other program perhaps
[10:30] <Joshizzle> no can do
[10:30] <Joshizzle> keyboard is disabled
[10:31] <xtknight> shirish, kdetv is good i think
[10:31] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: then i can only suggest removing quiet and splash from the commandline and seeing if that helps
[10:31] <shirish> xtknight: what should I be looking for?
[10:31] <Joshizzle> splash is not in there
[10:32] <Joshizzle> i'll remove quite
[10:32] <xtknight> shirish, your tv card under lshw
[10:32] <Joshizzle> want me to keep verbose?
[10:32] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: shouldn't matter now
[10:33] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: the lines are now: root, kernel (blah blah), initrd (blah blah), savedefault
[10:33] <shirish> xtknight: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14764/
[10:34] <xtknight> shirish, ok good driver=saa7134
[10:34] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: nope, still stuck
[10:34] <xtknight> it's been loaded.  i guess you just need a working tv program
[10:34] <xtknight> how is kdetv ?
[10:34] <shirish> downloading it as we speak
[10:35] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: then it must be something peculiar to your hardware. is there an option to boot without framebuffer?
[10:35] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: what in god's name is a framebuffer?
[10:35] <anti_pop> i get this error when i compile: what is missing ??? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[10:35] <shirish> xtknight: I have to run it from the console?
[10:36] <shirish> xtknight: it seems it was already downloaded when I downloaded tvtime or something?
[10:36] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: the edits I make to the grub commandline do NOT SAVE
[10:36] <xtknight> shirish, hmm i dont know.
[10:36] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: it's the mechanism that allows a graphical vs. text-only boot display
[10:36] <xtknight> shirish, it is not in the gnome menu?
[10:36] <shirish> xtknight: nope
[10:36] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: the edits apply for the current boot. that's ok
[10:36] <Joshizzle> oh
[10:37] <Joshizzle> lemme check if framebuffer is in bios
[10:37] <aev> it aint
[10:37] <shirish> xtknight: my nations frequency scan is not given, what should I do?
[10:37] <aev> its like the technique it uses to put stuff ont he screen
[10:37] <Joshizzle> oh
[10:37] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: no, framebuffer is a linux thing
[10:37] <aev> text vs framebuffer vs X
[10:37] <Joshizzle> ...ok
[10:37] <aev> actually i think
[10:38] <Joshizzle> never find
[10:38] <Joshizzle> mind*
[10:38] <xtknight> shirish, hmm wouldn't it be NTSC, PAL , or SECAM?
[10:38] <aev> u can also have a framebuffer in DOS
[10:38] <xtknight> shirish, select a nation that uses the same standard
[10:38] <shirish> xtknight: it is PAL, now how do I know which nation uses PAL
[10:38] <aev> an old dos game would be run in 'A' framebufer
[10:38] <xtknight> shirish,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
[10:38] <Joshizzle> no DOS
[10:38] <Joshizzle> i deleted windows
[10:39] <Joshizzle> seems to be either a grub error or a ubuntu error
[10:39] <aev> hehe nevermind, i shouldnt be starting about dos, ill shut up now
[10:39] <Askar> !swedish
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swedish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <xtknight> !se
[10:40] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[10:40] <shirish> xtknight: I will take little time as I want to read it
[10:41] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: it's not grub. your system is hanging in the boot process after grub has done its work
[10:42] <Joshizzle> neildarlow: and which system would that be? i mean, I get to the 3rd block
[10:42] <shirish> xtknight: it is unclear which region I should use?
[10:42] <xtknight> shirish, where do you live?
[10:43] <shirish> India, which has PAL
[10:43] <xtknight> yeah?
[10:43] <xtknight> hmm
[10:43] <xtknight> they dont have india in kdetv?
[10:43] <shirish> nope
[10:43] <shirish> :(
[10:43] <Joshizzle> this is strange
[10:43] <neildarlow> Joshizzle: if you say you can't switch screens with e.g. Alt+F1 it might be at the console/keyboard related but i can't say for sure
[10:43] <xtknight> try israel or italy
[10:43] <xtknight> anything that's listed as PAL i guess
[10:44] <xtknight> very surprising
[10:44] <xtknight> what *do* they list?
[10:44] <shirish> xtknight: nothing, blank, it did the whole thing & there is nothing listed
[10:45] <Umbriel> johnnybuoy: problem solved, it was the networkmanager...
[10:46] <xtknight> shirish, i guess it's been too long since i've used tv on linux
[10:46] <xtknight> i know a lot about tv tuner cards themselves but not tv and linux a whole ton
[10:46] <xtknight> probably another program will work
[10:46] <shirish> xtknight: :(
[10:46] <xtknight> i dont know what's up with kdetv
[10:47] <xtknight> tons of them though
[10:47] <xtknight> apt-cache search tv
[10:47] <shirish> http://www.paradiso-design.net/TVsystems_worldwide.html
[10:47] <xtknight> xawtv is what i'd try next
[10:47] <neildarlow> xtknight: xawtv was quite good/robust last time i used oy
[10:49] <shirish> downloading & installing them as we speak
[10:50] <shirish> ok done, now what?
[10:51] <xtknight> xawtv i suppose
[10:51] <shirish> I am already in it, but nothing is appearing
[10:51] <shirish> I mean the window is there, I can see the options, but what or how should i go about it
[10:52] <xtknight> oh..i've never used it :\
[10:52] <xtknight> sorry gotta go, dinner.  bbiab
[10:52] <shirish> xtknight: bye
[10:55] <Hidan> shirish: just curious. what time is it over there?
[10:55] <shirish> @now calcutta
[10:55] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 10 2007, 02:25:26 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 23 hours 4 minutes
[10:55] <shirish> now u know
[10:55] <Hidan> shirish: ooh i see. xD
[10:55] <Hidan> @singapore
[10:55] <Hidan> oops
[10:55] <Hidan> @now singapore
[10:55] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Singapore: April 10 2007, 04:55:49 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 23 hours 4 minutes
[10:56] <shirish> Hidan: another all-nighter
[10:56] <billy> Greetings fellow feisty fans.
[10:56] <Hidan> shirish: hell yeah lol =P
[10:56] <billy> Is Firestarter automatically coming up for anyone else?
[10:56] <billy> Or are you needing to start it manually each reboot?
[10:57] <micahcowan> Do you mean, the actual firewalling rules themselves?
[10:57] <billy> micahcowan: no.  I mean Firestarter.
[10:57] <micahcowan> billy, isn't Firestarter just a GUI?
[10:57] <shirish> billy: not looking at it unless it becomes more easy to use, it is nightmare right now
[10:58] <billy> micahcowan: yes.  but my firewall rules aren't activated until Firestarter starts.
[10:58] <billy> shirish: that's odd.  I consider Firestarter to be the easiest there is.
[10:59] <micahcowan> billy, then, regardless of whether you set Firestarter to start up automatically or not, you should definitely make sure that the rules fire up well before the GUI does.
[10:59] <rockzman> Can someone tell me a tutorial to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on 7.04?
[10:59] <shirish> billy: I must be the biggest fool for my life I tried the last time & could not understand how to get things done there
[10:59] <shirish> billy: but then I have come from zonealarm, where I just have to say allow these programs & this amt. of activity is permitted
[11:00] <billy> micahcowan: the only reason I start the GUI is because the rules aren't being activated.
[11:01] <billy> micahcowan: if I don't start Firestarter, my ports aren't stealthed.
[11:02] <micahcowan> billy, I would be very surprised if Firestarter doesn't have a "make persistent across boot" option (or something similar), but otherwise, after you've started up Firestarter, you can use iptables-save to place the current rules in a location automatically read at startup (fishing for what that location is...).
[11:02] <maccam94> argh something WEIRD is going on with my lvm setup!
[11:02] <maccam94> better than yesterday, but still wrong :-(
[11:03] <maccam94> my 440GB xfs partition is only showing up as 300GB
[11:03] <maccam94> any ideas?
[11:03] <micahcowan> On mandrake, it's /etc/sysconfig/iptables, but I'm thinking that may not be right on Ubuntu.
[11:04] <maccam94> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:04] <maccam94> >_<
[11:04] <maccam94> that's pretty close to the size of one of my hard drives.......
[11:04] <maccam94> >_<
[11:06] <maccam94> is anyone else here familiar with lvm?
[11:06] <billy> micahcowan: do you recall where the bootup log is?
[11:07] <micahcowan> billy, /var/log/dmesg, perhaps combined with /var/log/syslog.
[11:07] <shirish> does anybody of any place where there is a tute to build deluge-torrent?
[11:07] <micahcowan> Debian/Ubuntu may not have an automatic iptables-restore after all: you may have to build your own: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-19106.html
[11:09] <pjcrosier> shirish, are you using feisty?
[11:09] <shirish> pjcrosier: yup, why?
[11:09] <pjcrosier> it's in the repos :)
[11:10] <shirish> pjcrosier: that is the 0.4 right, or the 0.5 came in?
[11:10] <pjcrosier> erm, not sure tbh
[11:10] <shirish> guys how do I find out which version is there in the repos, without installing the package?
[11:12] <pjcrosier> shirish, it's 0.4.1-2
[11:13] <shirish> that one is buggy, and I have 0.5 on my hand :)
[11:13] <Askar>  I try to print on a shared xpprinter but get an error on the xpprinter..dont know what it is in english but something like: "notlocal document with earlier version"
[11:14] <pjcrosier> there should be a README inside archive
[11:15] <pjcrosier> *the
[11:15] <conn> hi, is it possible to specify a different fontconfig for OO.o in Linux? On my system, subpixel rendering & slight hinting makes all apps' fonts look great, but OO.o looks better with Grayscale & medium hinting. Is there a way to have OO.o use the latter, and not the rest of the system?
[11:15] <shirish> pjcrosier: I already built it, installed it, and loving it :)
[11:15] <pjcrosier> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=354609 <-- couple of dependencies to satisfy first shirish
[11:15] <pjcrosier> ah ok
[11:15] <shirish> did all that thnx for your efforts though :)
[11:15] <pjcrosier> ignore me then :)
[11:16] <Askar> I try to print on a shared xpprinter but get an error on the xpprinter..dont know what it is in english but something like: "notlocal document with earlier version" what can it mean?
[11:17] <shirish> Aksar: is it an IPP printer or a USB/parallel printer hooked to the XP machine?
[11:25] <claudiodaylac> can anyone help me configure my tv-out settings??
[11:27] <peter77> is anyone else experiencing slow boot in fiesty?
[11:27] <peter77> it seemes to hang just under half way for about 10 seconds
[11:28] <Lynoure> peter77: yes, at the network devices, want the bug url for it?
[11:28] <peter77> please, is there a way to fix it?
[11:28] <Lynoure> peter77: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102675
[11:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:28] <peter77> why has it just started hanging though, it was ok before!
[11:29] <Lynoure> peter77: there was some workarounds mentioned
[11:29] <Lynoure> peter77: simple answer: something changed in the upgrade
[11:29] <peter77> lol
[11:33] <peter77> trying one of the work arounds
[11:33] <peter77> hope it workds :-)
[11:33] <peter77> works*
[11:34] <peter77> lol, boots a lot faster
[11:34] <Lynoure> it might cause some trouble later, depending what you'll want to do with your networking.
[11:35] <Lynoure> But I'm gone now...
[11:37] <peter77> wireless
[11:37] <peter77> and it seems to be ok
[11:37] <f000bar> can someone do an aptitude search ~n | wc -l on a Feisty default install for me? (ie.  no universe/multiverse)
[11:38] <f000bar> im trying to fiugre the number of installable packages in default install?
[11:39] <foxiness> rockzman: f000bar synaptic?
[11:39] <bur[n] er> f000bar: run the livecd via virtualbox or something
[11:39] <f000bar> bur[n] er, yea yea imdownloading a vmware now
[11:39] <f000bar> but i thought if someone could do it real quick
[11:39] <f000bar> nm
[11:39] <bur[n] er> vmware doesn'tw ork in feisty
[11:40] <f000bar> bur[n] er, sure it does
[11:40] <f000bar> im running it now
[11:40] <bur[n] er> I don't believe networking works rather
[11:40] <f000bar> bur[n] er, yes t does
[11:40] <bur[n] er> vmmon won't build in the newer kernel that feisty uses
[11:40] <f000bar> bur[n] er, you are correct, but you can modify it using the any-any patch
[11:40] <bur[n] er> oh
[11:41] <f000bar> bur[n] er, yes Vbox is nice
[11:41] <f000bar> but networking sucks n Vbox other than NAT
[11:41] <bur[n] er> for sure!!!
[11:41] <bur[n] er> that's hte one thing I miss about vmware
[11:41] <bur[n] er> the fact that vmmon didn't work pushed me away from vmware though... didn't know there was a workaround
[11:42] <martin_> it seems the latest upgrade toasted my xorg... anyone else got the problem?
[11:43] <martin_>  it seems the latest upgrade toasted my xorg... anyone else got the problem?
[11:44] <bur[n] er> nope
[11:44] <bur[n] er> martin_: nvidia by chance?
[11:44] <martin_> no, ati radeon 9000
[11:44] <bur[n] er> got me then
[11:44] <bur[n] er> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do any good?
[11:45] <martin_> gonna try that now :)
[11:45] <bur[n] er> best of luck
[11:45] <martin_> thanks. anyone else have that problem?
[11:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[11:46] <peter77> is it possible to get the avant window navigator to launch apps and also prevent windows overlapping it (act like a panel)
[11:47] <elvirolo> i started to have system crashes with feisty
[11:48] <elvirolo> even sys req keys don't work...
[11:50] <elvirolo> has anyone got any idea about the reason for these crashes ?
[11:55] <Poul^Laptop> Anyone able to tell me what the diff in compiz and beryl are?
[11:56] <bur[n] er> Poul^Laptop: they're combining.. so nothing anymore
[11:57] <Poul^Laptop> hmm
[11:57] <Poul^Laptop> whats the last release version then?
[11:58] <KI4UTX> Would anyone be able to assist me with an install problem?
[11:59] <pjcrosier> i seem to be upto 0.2.1 of beryl core
[11:59] <tumi> I found a small issue in nautilus in feisty, should I report a bug on launchpad.net/nautilus/+bugs or some other location since this is for feisty?
[11:59] <marshall_> for some reason Sonata isnt able to load my music library. any ideas why this might be?
[12:00] <KI4UTX> I'm new to ubuntu and am trying to install feisty since dapper would not install but am encountering the same problem... I get past the splash screen hear a start sound and everything halts.  I have a black screen but am able to ctrl-alt-fkey to other ttys
[12:00] <hotti> hello, is the ipod-hal (automounting ipod nano) fix in feisty beta?
[12:01] <N6REJ> whats the dev channel for fiesty?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> N6REJ: #ubuntu-devel but i would ask in here first
[12:07] <peter77> when I mute the sound in windows I can't unmute it in linux
[12:07] <peter77> but if I mute the sound in linux then it doesn't effect windows
[12:08] <f000bar> peter77, ive seen that before
[12:08] <f000bar> peter77, must be Windows driver turning it off in HW
[12:09] <peter77> thats what I thought it was doing
[12:09] <peter77> also winows seems to alter the system clock on my mac
[12:09] <f000bar> peter77, not sure if Linux supports hw sound diasble
[12:09] <f000bar> probably depends on the drivers and sounds system you are using
[12:10] <f000bar> ALSA just mutes the master channel
[12:10] <f000bar> i believe
[12:10] <peter77> typiccal windows
[12:13] <peterflute> Evening all
[12:14] <Arko> hi
[12:14] <peterflute> I have a problem (still) with nvidia drivers on the latest feisty. I always get a black screenon reboot, and have to reset to "nv" by editing xorg.conf.  Any ideas?
[12:15] <KI4UTX> I'm having trouble installing feisty
[12:17] <xtknight> why are my feisty kernel builds coming out at over 200M?
[12:17] <christyxx1> help here?
[12:17] <xtknight> second time it has happened.  -rw-r--r--  1 root src  215910686 2007-04-09 17:19 linux-image-2.6.20.6_rt2_i386.deb
[12:17] <Arko> peterflute: I had similar problems with nvidia and I solved adding some options to the module
[12:17] <christyxx1> using Xbuntu - cannot create icons on desktop -no right-click response
[12:18] <Arko> options nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=33 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=1
[12:18] <peterflute> Would you be able to walk me though the solution Arko?
[12:18] <Arko> put that line in /etc/modprobe.d/options
[12:19] <sonium> problem: I cannot choose a higher resolution that 1024x876, I use nvidia restricted.
[12:19] <peterflute> thanks, I'll give it a go
[12:19] <christyxx1> when i boot i get message that home/.dmrc files is being ignored since home directory should be owned by user - how do ii change that - i tried sudo chown user:user/home/user.local and was told operand at end missing
[12:19] <N6REJ> There's still a problem with the adept updater.  Its still saying it can't download the "release announcement"
[12:19] <Arko> good luck
[12:20] <xtknight> answer: it was DEBUG options in the kernel causing the huge size.
[12:20] <xtknight> Answer, err not you.  ;P
[12:22] <bur[n] er> christyxx1: run xfdesktop via alt+f2
[12:23] <bur[n] er> christyxx1: sudo chown -R christy:christy /home/christy
[12:23] <christyxx1> i tried that - didnt work - says operand missing
[12:24] <bur[n] er> you didn't type it right
[12:24] <bur[n] er> you missed a space
[12:24] <christyxx1> course i did silly :))
[12:24] <bur[n] er> and you need -R