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| gabriel_ | hi, can anyone point me to where i can get some help with some feisty upgrading issues? I dont know if this is the right place | 06:39 |
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| crimsun | #ubuntu+1, please | 06:39 |
| gabriel_ | ok, thanx | 06:39 |
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| ant_ipop | i need help reporting a bug: its a problem about kde freezing, what package/product should i choose for the report ? (no response in #kubuntu, ubuntu+1, and the bug wiki didnt help me) | 11:15 |
| Riddell | ant_ipop: it depends on what is doing the freezing | 11:16 |
| ant_ipop | happens only if im downloading several large files at the same time, happens with KGet or Firefox's own downloadmanager, also with download-managing firefox extensions | 11:17 |
| Riddell | so not a kde issue | 11:18 |
| Riddell | what are you unable to do when it freezes? | 11:18 |
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| ant_ipop | i did a memtest and a badblock search, no errors there, and its happening with kernel -13 -14 maybe with -12 too, dont remember when it started | 11:18 |
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| ant_ipop | no input possible: mouse not moving, ctrl alt backspace or ctrl alt f1 dont work | 11:19 |
| ant_ipop | music played by amarok falls into a quick loop | 11:19 |
| Riddell | so sounds like a linux problem | 11:19 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:19 |
| ant_ipop | but happens without amarok playing too | 11:19 |
| Riddell | report on linux-source-2.6.20 | 11:19 |
| ant_ipop | thanks | 11:19 |
| ant_ipop | and prduct? | 11:20 |
| Riddell | ubuntu | 11:20 |
| Riddell | but test with the latest linux first | 11:20 |
| Riddell | have feisty beta installed at least | 11:20 |
| ant_ipop | "There is no project named 'ubuntu' registered in Launchpad" | 11:21 |
| ant_ipop | yes its a up-to-date feisty installation | 11:21 |
| Riddell | oh, -13, not .13. that's fine | 11:21 |
| Riddell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/ | 11:22 |
| ant_ipop | allright | 11:22 |
| Riddell | make sure you say what network driver is being used since you say it's a network issue | 11:23 |
| ant_ipop | sorry, may i use" linux" as product, cant find ubuntu in the search form there | 11:23 |
| ant_ipop | i have to tell a package, and a product | 11:23 |
| Riddell | I just gave you the URL | 11:24 |
| ant_ipop | i have to reproduce the bug now to have some errors ins the logs | 11:24 |
| ant_ipop | because when im not downloading several files at the same time it wont happen | 11:25 |
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| makuchaku | Hello all, which package provides me with debug symbols for libdbus-1-3? | 11:29 |
| makuchaku | I could not locate anything ilke libdbus-1-3-dbg on packages.ubuntu.com :( | 11:29 |
| makuchaku | *like | 11:29 |
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| cypher1 | will vesafb be used always while booting up ? Or are there any chances it may not be loaded ? | 12:28 |
| cypher1 | also it is confusing that in my machine i can see "vesafb" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.. but "lsmod" shows "vesafb" as loaded ! am i missing anything ? | 12:29 |
| mjg59 | It'll be loaded, but it won't be used | 12:30 |
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| cypher1 | mjg59: thanks | 12:33 |
| cypher1 | mjg59: but will it not then unnecessarily take up memory ? | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | If you need 9K that desperately, you may already have lost | 12:34 |
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| zyga | is main totally frozen now? | 01:07 |
| zyga | no chance to get anything updated? | 01:08 |
| mjg59 | Unless it fixes critical bugs | 01:10 |
| zyga | mjg59: not really critical but the bugs are annoying :/ | 01:11 |
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| ajmitch | hey pitti | 01:14 |
| zyga | mjg59: what is the final date of closing feisty? | 01:14 |
| zyga | (as in making cd masters) | 01:15 |
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| pitti | hi ajmitch, happy Easter holidays! | 01:17 |
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| pwuertz | hi, I built a deb package with debhelper, added a menu file and ran dh_installmenu | 01:35 |
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| pwuertz | so the package includes / installs the menu file... but my application does not appear in the gnome panel after installing | 01:36 |
| pwuertz | whats wrong? | 01:36 |
| Adri2000 | pwuertz: menu files are debian specific, you should use a .desktop file | 01:36 |
| pwuertz | i also installed a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications | 01:37 |
| pwuertz | Adri2000: do I have to symlink it somewhere else? | 01:37 |
| Adri2000 | no, in /usr/share/applications/ should be ok | 01:37 |
| pwuertz | well... its there... but nothing happens | 01:38 |
| pwuertz | its definately working, because the mime handler seems to recognizes the .desktop file | 01:38 |
| pwuertz | but how to get a menu entry | 01:39 |
| Adri2000 | pwuertz: /join #ubuntu-motu, it's a better place for this kind of questions | 01:39 |
| pwuertz | ok.. will do | 01:40 |
| pwuertz | thanks | 01:40 |
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| Lutin | glatzor: may I /query you ? | 02:05 |
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| stub | Launchpad is going down in 15 minutes for a scheduled update. Estimated downtime is 10 mins. | 02:09 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks stub. | 02:10 |
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| glatzor | Lutin: for sure | 02:20 |
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| TheMuso | c | 02:55 |
| TheMuso | gah | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | d | 02:56 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:00 |
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| _ion | Hi pitti! | 04:05 |
| _ion | pitti: Please take a look at the change at my restricted-manager branch. | 04:05 |
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| _ion | pitti: Oh, i pushed one more change to the hook. | 04:14 |
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| pitti | _ion: looks nice, thank you! | 04:46 |
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| jdong | if anyone who works on the upgrader is around.... is there any reason why we don't enforce that linux-generic be installed? | 05:41 |
| jdong | I have a feisty user complaining to me about restricted-modules not being installed.... partly due to user error (he popped off linux-generic while fiddling with nvidia earlier) | 05:41 |
| jdong | but I think dist-upgrader should enforce that linux-generic be installed ,like it does ubuntu-desktop | 05:41 |
| mjg59 | Because linux-generic isn't generic? | 05:41 |
| mjg59 | What I mean is, linux-generic isn't inherently the right answer | 05:42 |
| mjg59 | There should be at least one kernel metapackage installed, though | 05:42 |
| mjg59 | pitti was looking at making sure that was the case | 05:42 |
| jdong | well it should find the appropriate one.... | 05:42 |
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| jdong | but yeah, some metapackage should be installed | 05:42 |
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| hyperactivecrond | is pidgin going to replace gaim 2.0betax in feisty? | 05:55 |
| hyperactivecrond | o-kay didn't see the /topic | 05:58 |
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| superm1 | BenC, ping | 06:05 |
| BenC | superm1: yo | 06:05 |
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| superm1 | BenC, i'm updating the feisty lirc wiki pages, do you think that patch I put together before will end up making it in before feisty release? | 06:06 |
| BenC | superm1: I'm doubting it...mostly my fault for not getting it in for the last kernel upload | 06:06 |
| BenC | I need to check the "has patch" filter for kernel bugs more often | 06:06 |
| superm1 | oh thats a shame :( | 06:07 |
| superm1 | and since we're past kernel freeze, little likliness of a "feature patch" being added i take it | 06:07 |
| BenC | superm1: Maybe we can get it in for an update later, but for release, it's a no-go | 06:07 |
| BenC | right | 06:07 |
| superm1 | okay, i'll update the text to reflect that then | 06:08 |
| superm1 | did it look good elsewise though? | 06:08 |
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| crimsun | BenC: I presume that policy follows for the trivial ones I've sent, too, correct? | 06:11 |
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| BenC | crimsun: Yours were minor additions to PCI tables, so I included them | 06:11 |
| crimsun | BenC: ah, ok. Thanks. | 06:11 |
| BenC | lirc is an entire subsystem :) | 06:12 |
| superm1 | hehe | 06:12 |
| crimsun | ah, scale of invasiveness. Understood. | 06:12 |
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| OwlEye | usually, there are lots of messages scrolling by during boot that can be reviewed in /var/log/dmesg later. ubuntu has a feature where it only shows a summary of these status messages in a graphical box. how that feature is called? | 06:13 |
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| pochu | OwlEye: do you mean usplash? | 06:14 |
| OwlEye | could be, let me look that up | 06:14 |
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| OwlEye | pochu, hm. i am not sure now. what i dont mean is the typical bootsplash, where a custom image is displayed during boot. i mean that graphical box where the boot messages are displayed | 06:17 |
| BenC | OwlEye: that's usplash | 06:18 |
| pochu | OwlEye: oh, but that isn't anymore in the Feisty Fawn release :-) | 06:18 |
| BenC | OwlEye: but usplash by default is less verbose now | 06:19 |
| jdong | OwlEye: if you remove quiet from yoru boot options, the text will show up again | 06:20 |
| OwlEye | awesome. i found it packaged for debian. thats what i needed. thanks a lot guys :) | 06:20 |
| OwlEye | and so much friendlier than debian developers :) | 06:21 |
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| BenC | jdong: hey | 06:23 |
| jdong | BenC: hey you got any ideas on the ti flashmedia thing? | 06:24 |
| jdong | it seems like the new release fixed mine but broke a bunch of others :D | 06:24 |
| jdong | (bug 53923) | 06:24 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53923 | 06:24 |
| jdong | the world of device drivers seems quite... exciting :) | 06:25 |
| mjg59 | People who were doing the setpci hack probably lose | 06:26 |
| jdong | hmm | 06:27 |
| mjg59 | It works properly now | 06:28 |
| jdong | you think the guys with broken drivers still have setpci magic around? | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | Well | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | There's been no code changes | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | I just changed udev to make sure tifm_sd is loaded | 06:28 |
| jdong | right, but from -12 to -13 was when tifm 0.8 was added in, right? | 06:28 |
| jdong | maybe I'm thinking of something else | 06:28 |
| pochu | pitti: is the LP retrace service broken? I added two or three tags this morning and it hasn't retraced them yet :-/ | 06:29 |
| pitti | pochu: yes, due to LP downtime this morning; I restart them | 06:29 |
| pochu | cool, thanks :) | 06:29 |
| bluefoxicy | does Seveas still maintain a FreeNX repo? That software kind of died in obscurity .... | 06:29 |
| jdong | bluefoxicy: his repo seems to have died in the freenx department :-/ | 06:30 |
| jdong | at least the last time I checked | 06:30 |
| tepsipakki | bluefoxicy: it's not freenx anymore | 06:30 |
| bluefoxicy | oh o.o it's called something else? | 06:30 |
| tepsipakki | yes, although I can't remember what :) | 06:30 |
| jdong | really? | 06:30 |
| jdong | http://freenx.berlios.de/ | 06:31 |
| === bluefoxicy had been hoping forever for GDM/FreeNX integration and Vino/FreeNX and all :( | ||
| tepsipakki | jdong: oh | 06:31 |
| tepsipakki | seems that someone did continue that project | 06:31 |
| tepsipakki | but there was another fork from freenx which is essentially another nomachine.com | 06:32 |
| === bluefoxicy ponders ssh --NX ... X forwarding but using the FreeNX protocol over ssh. He can dream.... running Nessus over ssh is so slow :( | ||
| tepsipakki | that would be cool, merging the protocol in Xorg | 06:33 |
| tepsipakki | since freenx is still carrying it's own X | 06:33 |
| tepsipakki | which kinda sucks | 06:34 |
| Mithrandir | tepsipakki: it would be the right way to do it, as an X server extension. | 06:34 |
| bluefoxicy | actually I was thinking more of emitting X packets at the client end | 06:34 |
| bluefoxicy | like ssh -X does | 06:34 |
| bluefoxicy | so the client program pulls over the FreeNX packets, and draws the screen with them, utilizing an X server (separate) to do so. | 06:34 |
| Mithrandir | bluefoxicy: that would be trivial to do, but you wouldn't gain the latency boost you get from nxagent | 06:35 |
| Chipzz | mjg59: wtf is up with wouter? | 06:35 |
| bluefoxicy | side note becomes that it'd be incredibly cool if ssh could, on the server side, compress X forwarding packets with NX and then, on the client side, decompress them :) | 06:35 |
| bluefoxicy | Mithrandir: ? Why not? | 06:35 |
| tepsipakki | I tried to package freenx last fall to replace our nomachineNX-servers, but it was far from trivial.. | 06:36 |
| Mithrandir | bluefoxicy: because that requires having an X server on the SSH server end. | 06:36 |
| bluefoxicy | Mithrandir: ssh can't pick up the packets and encode them itself? | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | what's it doing, maintaining a synchronous X state between 2 X servers? | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | (does that even make any sense) | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | bluefoxicy: do you understand why NX is faster than regular X forwarding? | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | Mithrandir: no, I always thought it was because it has better compression than VNC ... i.e. compression of X packets instead of compression of screen caps. Whereas SSH has poor compression and regular X forwarding/XDMCP has no compression | 06:38 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: NX is not just a compression algorithm for X. If that's all you want, you can just add -C to your ssh command line and you've added gzip compression to your ssh tunnel. | 06:38 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: and if you believe that, you can compress all your 15MB .bmp images with gzip too :) | 06:39 |
| bluefoxicy | shawarma: I'd think a specialized algorithm for the correct type of data would do better than general purpose (see FLAC vs ZIP) | 06:39 |
| Mithrandir | bluefoxicy: NX consists of two bits: One which is a smart proxy where it will return the same set of results for each query, which reencodes pixmaps as jpegs or pngs, etc. That reduces bandwidth consumption, but not latency (much). | 06:40 |
| shawarma | bluefoxicy: right. | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | the other bit is implemented by nxagent, it allows disconnection, it allows clients to do complex tasks (since they talk to nxagent which is a regular X server, not just a small shim) | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | nxagent is responsible for the large decrease in latency. | 06:40 |
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| bluefoxicy | I'm not following. | 06:41 |
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| bluefoxicy | Mithrandir: so what's it do, frame skip when the screen is being redrawn 40 times a second and only send 1 or 2 of those across the pipe? | 06:42 |
| tepsipakki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology | 06:42 |
| Mithrandir | bluefoxicy: yes, as well as reencode stuff as jpegs and such. | 06:42 |
| tepsipakki | bluefoxicy: ^^ | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. | 06:43 |
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| zyga | oh please tell me that michael vogt works tommorow | 07:06 |
| Mithrandir | he does | 07:06 |
| shawarma | Mithrandir: Is anything in particular keeping https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apcalc/+bug/99993 from happening? Just holidays? | 07:08 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 99993 in apcalc "[UVFe Sync Request] apcalc 2.12.1.13-2" [Medium,Confirmed] | 07:08 |
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| Mithrandir | shawarma: nothing but holidays, no. | 07:10 |
| shawarma | Mithrandir: Ok, great. | 07:10 |
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| _ion | Re: the earlier discussion, it's amazing how much better NX is than plain ssh -C. | 07:15 |
| zyga | _ion: NX? | 07:16 |
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| _ion | zyga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology | 07:17 |
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| _ion | A "no-exec bit vs. ssh" flamefest would be a welcome change for the usual Gnome vs. KDE, Emacs vs. Vim fights. ;-) | 07:21 |
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| jwendell | asac, around? | 07:24 |
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| LaserJock | poningru: to busy changing the world, and getting vegan-friendly anti-RFID wallets :-) | 07:36 |
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| poningru | buh? | 07:36 |
| poningru | oh s/use/us | 07:36 |
| poningru | oh s/to/too | 07:37 |
| poningru | gotcha | 07:37 |
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| jdahlin | Hi there, is there a directory in ubuntu which I can use to install python packages that are compatible with multiple python versions? | 08:01 |
| zyga | jdahlin: I think python-central is there to solve this kind of issue | 08:02 |
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| mako | poningru: i don't think i ever really "hung out" here.. i idle here in case any anyone has questions for me | 08:14 |
| poningru | not here dude #freeculture | 08:14 |
| poningru | I just hope it wasnt because of the openmako jokes | 08:14 |
| mako | poningru: oh, i think i just forgot to add it to my irssi config and the server i run screen on crashed :) | 08:15 |
| poningru | oh awesome | 08:16 |
| poningru | well... you know what I mean | 08:16 |
| Seveas | bluefoxicy, NX is quite crappy -- too bad it's the only thing that does what it does | 08:16 |
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| jdahlin | zyga: /usr/lib/site-python seems to be the answer | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | mako: thanks for the RFID wallet post, btw. I'm thinking of getting a passport wallet for UDS ;-) | 08:17 |
| jdahlin | but python's distutils does not install packages there by default. | 08:17 |
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| bluefoxicy | Seveas: yeah there was a lot of buzz about it back then. | 08:20 |
| Seveas | bluefoxicy, all the buzzers (including myself) woke up and smelled the problems | 08:21 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: back to vnc then? :P | 08:22 |
| bluefoxicy | Seveas: it seems to be an X server on the client end with a display over network, according to what I've gathered today. Traditional X forwarding/XDMCP is a server away from the client; and and VNC is a server forwarding rectangular regions instead of redrawing specifically based on what the X packets say to change. | 08:22 |
| Seveas | bluefoxicy, it's worse | 08:26 |
| Seveas | bluefoxicy, it's an X server running on the server, proxying X calls via its own protocol to the X client on the client which basically is an xnest | 08:27 |
| bluefoxicy | o_O | 08:27 |
| Seveas | so you need an X server and NX proxy on both sides | 08:27 |
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| Seveas | good way to solve it: fix the X protocol to include these enhancements and do some x-servr-reconnection magic | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | Seveas: GTK is growing support for letting apps disconnect easily. | 08:28 |
| Seveas | but that requires working with open sourc people, which nomachine apparently cannot do | 08:28 |
| Seveas | Mithrandir, that's awesome! | 08:29 |
| mako | LaserJock: i don't have an rfid passport yet | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | at least keithp claimed so in SF, and he tends to know what's going on in the crazy world of X | 08:29 |
| Seveas | Mithrandir, but isn't that a layer too high? | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | Seveas: well, X as such should support it fine with XCB-using apps, at least.. | 08:31 |
| Mithrandir | it's just a socket | 08:32 |
| Seveas | ah | 08:32 |
| Mithrandir | nothing says you can't do XCloseDisplay and then XOpenDisplay again | 08:32 |
| mjr | it would be fun though if that could be said without requiring spesific co-operation from the client application (from the X libraries, sure) | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | mako: I don't know if mine is or not, issued last year for UDS Paris, but as I don't have much of any wallet right now I thought I might try them out | 08:34 |
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| zyga | whoo, feisty mirrored :D | 09:25 |
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| freemind | hello mates, ubuntu's init doesn't seem to like interactive shellscripts, how to enable interactive mode? | 09:53 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: what do you want me to do with security updates for main during the next two weeks? | 09:53 |
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| Mithrandir | keescook: for the coming week, just upload and I'll wave them through. | 09:54 |
| Seveas | freemind, this channel is not for support | 09:54 |
| freemind | sorry then mates :) | 09:54 |
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| keescook | Mithrandir: okay, I wasn't sure if it would cause headaches for image builds, etc. | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: I'm not going to hold back any releases for you, though, so you might need to re-upload (to -security) if you're too close to release. | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | but that's just bandwidth | 09:55 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: sure, no problem. | 09:55 |
| keescook | I just want to know how when/where to be doing the uploads so it doesn't get in your way. :) | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: just upload them normally, they'll end in an unapproved queue. | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | keescook: if you tell me about the uploads when you do them (or beforehand), that's useful so I understand why random packages suddenly show up in the queue | 09:57 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 09:59 |
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| pochu | hey ajmitch | 10:01 |
| smokie_ | dir | 10:01 |
| jdong | dir :D | 10:02 |
| jdong | Directory of C:\ Volume Serial 0000-0000 | 10:02 |
| jdong | ;-) | 10:02 |
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| zyga | jdong: huh? | 10:05 |
| jdong | zyga: I am command.com-compliant ;-) | 10:06 |
| jdong | or broken. | 10:06 |
| jdong | but that seems to be one and twelfth dozen. | 10:06 |
| zyga | fortunatly I have no knowledge of that :D | 10:06 |
| zyga | dos had volume serial numbers/ | 10:06 |
| jdong | yeah, it did :-/ | 10:07 |
| keescook | Mithrandir: okay, cool. Well, this recent upload (ipsec-tools) is for a DoS on IPSEC tunnel traffic. | 10:07 |
| jdong | zyga: echo "dir C:\\" | wine cmd.exe | 10:07 |
| zyga | wow :D | 10:07 |
| zyga | I'll install wine just to see that | 10:08 |
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| _ion | I think it was on this channel that someone once complained that someone had set his shell to wine cmd.exe as a prank. :-) | 10:08 |
| jdong | zyga: we prank people by setting that as their login shell ;-) | 10:08 |
| jdong | _ion: me :) | 10:08 |
| jdong | _ion: it's more fun when you do it to others :D | 10:08 |
| _ion | :-) | 10:08 |
| shawarma | jdong: What the... Mine enters and infinite loop, apparantly. | 10:08 |
| zyga | hehe | 10:08 |
| jdong | shawarma: speaking of brokenness...... | 10:09 |
| shawarma | Ah, the stupid thing doesn't stop when there's no more input. | 10:09 |
| jdong | cmd.exe does not take EOF too well | 10:09 |
| jdong | :) | 10:09 |
| jdong | so no echo pipe | 10:09 |
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| smokie_ | EXIT | 10:11 |
| jdong | because ^D doesn't work ;-) | 10:12 |
| zyga | ahh, apt-get remvoe wine | 10:12 |
| zyga | that's soo nice :-) | 10:12 |
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| BenC | Anyone know why dbus would send just Pause for KEY_PLAYPAUSE ? | 11:15 |
| BenC | and where does dbus get the event from anyway | 11:15 |
| zyga | BenC: lsof may hint you on the latter | 11:16 |
| BenC | I'm pretty sure dbus has a lot of connections :) | 11:16 |
| zyga | dev ones are most interesting problably | 11:16 |
| zyga | does cannonical publish ubuntu download stats? | 11:18 |
| BenC | zyga: No idea | 11:24 |
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| BenC | Ah, I found out that Keyboard Shortcuts prefs is what I wanted | 11:24 |
| BenC | anyone know how these defaults are stored? | 11:25 |
| _ion | gconf probably. | 11:25 |
| BenC | gnome-settings-daemon is the main app, stores the values in gconf | 11:27 |
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| mcgrof | anyone use Eyas for UDS seville? | 12:01 |
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| N6REJ | hey guys we STILL have a problem with the adept updater. | 12:02 |
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| ajmitch | mcgrof: trying to | 12:07 |
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