[12:34] majoridiot, have you noticed anything lately with regard to mysql-server not starting up during package installation? [12:35] no [12:35] well what i'm seeing is that it stops, starts, and then stops again [12:35] its really weird [12:35] has started fine on every install i've done lately... probably 30+ total. [12:35] probably directly related to some of my packaging changes then [12:35] i'll see [12:39] yup oops. i put the dependency of mysql-server at the end, not the beginning [12:39] i didn't realize that actually matterd :) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:30] majoridiot, okay very nice. the package appears to work correctly now with these changes [01:30] if nothing is installed [01:30] :) [01:31] it will give you two popups [01:31] one saying that you need to run mythtv-setup when done [01:31] and the other telling your the mysql password for "mythtv" [01:31] keescook, are you around today, or taking the day off for easter? [01:31] very nice [01:31] lemme know when you want me to test it [01:32] hopefully later tonite. i cant do a full binary build in a pbuilder because my mirror that i use is in the process of syncing to us.archive.ubuntu.com [01:32] so its missing build deps [01:32] k [01:32] i've just been extracting the debs and modifying DEBIAN/control [01:34] in the case that someone has already changed the mysql root password, a simple "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common" will let them put in the correct info [01:35] er: in the case that someone has already changed the mysql root password, a simple "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" will let them put in the correct info [01:36] excellent. near idiot-proof. [01:36] afaik: completely idiot proof [01:36] we'll see... [01:36] LOL [01:37] good point.... [01:38] for packages after feisty is released i'd like to get something setup that will handle securing the root password during install though [01:38] logical next step, yes. [01:39] okay there is only one other bug then that i wanted to kill before feisty release if possible [01:40] having ALSA be the default [01:40] rather than OSS [01:40] that would be awesome. it is a pain. [01:40] small, niggling... but a pain. [01:40] i looked at the source briefly [01:40] and cant seem to identify how it is made defualt [01:42] is it done source-level or is it a default entry in mythconverg? [01:43] i would have thought source level, because every new machine gets it [01:43] but then again i havent looked at the default entries in mythconverg === majoridiot is thinking mythconverg [01:43] dunno why... just a feeling. [01:43] okay....... i'll check [01:44] well then again, we dont setup the database tables by a SQL file [01:44] so it cant be mythconverg directly [01:44] we only do a username and create the mythconverg database [01:45] mythbackend and mythfrontend create and modify all subtables [01:45] hm. [02:04] well i think i might have identified how to do it [02:04] if only i could do a test build and make sure :) [02:05] i was just looking at globalsettings.cpp [02:09] thats where i made the two changes [02:09] i think meerly adding two lines [02:10] for selection types for alsa before it parses /dev [02:10] should do it [03:24] majoridiot, okay the ALSA changes work [03:24] wonderful :) [03:25] :D [03:25] i got all my bugs that i had set as my own priority fixed [03:25] great job! [03:25] i'm gonna go jump in the shower and then run to campus. i'll upload these once i get there and you can give them a spin if you like [03:26] k [03:26] any pages you'd particularly like me to look over tonite? [03:26] the rest of the night i'm going to spend looking over your pages and working on some homework [03:26] have at any of them, at your discretion [03:27] k [03:28] keescook, when you get back around, i've got patches in bzr for bug 99916, bug 96739, bug 103191, and bug 93341 i'd like you to take a look at [03:28] Malone bug 99916 in mythtv "mythtv-database should better explain the mysql password for root" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99916 [03:28] Malone bug 96739 in mythtv "User should be told what the mythtv user account password is" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96739 [03:28] Malone bug 103191 in mythtv "ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does not set defaults for media player applications" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103191 [03:28] Malone bug 93341 in mythtv "mythtv should use ALSA by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93341 [03:29] they're in revision 24. [03:29] okay catch ya in a bit majoridiot === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:50] ok majoridiot, things have been uploaded to my repo at http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 if you'd be able to try the binaries. Note, you won't get the indication of the mysql password unless its a fresh install of the mythtv packages === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:41] hey superm1...is majoridiot coming back soon? [04:41] williammanda, not sure, i just left for the last 20-30 minu [04:41] and didnt realize he left until now [04:41] he was gonna test out some changes in my package [04:42] i updated my lircrc file for firefly...he got the old copy yesterday [04:42] oh firefly does work with ati_usb? [04:45] yes..very nice... [04:45] lay in bed and point at the roof [04:47] i want to use the remote for other programs... [04:48] do i need to create a new lircrc file for every program I want to use the remote with? [04:50] and do I need to put the lircrc file in the .xxxx subdirectory of the program under my user name? [04:51] example home/william/.mplayer [04:52] the lirc website confuses me...... [04:53] it says I can create one lircrc file and place it in the /etc/lircrc directory...but there isn't one [04:54] and if I choose to create mulitple lircrc files....they need to be in the home directory [04:54] i moved the lircrc file for myth to my user directory and it didn't work [04:57] you need to add more sections to your lircrc [04:57] sorry i was afk for a few [04:57] so mythtv is the only app afaik that uses its own lircrc [04:58] everything else you put into ~/.lircrc [05:10] i have tried the lircrc file(s) both ways....all in one file and separate files...neither works except for mythtv [05:12] oh...are you saying..all other programs I want to control need to be in a lircrc file under ~.lircrc?file [05:12] right [05:12] in ~/.lircrc [05:12] where is ~/.lircrc? [05:13] ~/ :) [05:13] ~ is your home directory [05:13] :)....is that under my user name? [05:13] ok ty [05:14] yup, hopefully thats clearer then [05:14] yes...ty...I'll try that === billbrasky [n=billbras@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:41] ok...i have created a subdirectory.../home/.lircrc [05:42] i have a file called lircrc saved in /home/.lircrc [05:47] williammanda, you mixed that up a bit [05:47] lets say your username is bob [05:47] you should be making a file [05:47] called /home/bob/.lircrc [05:48] and putting sections in that file [05:49] sections being....mplayer, kaffeine, xine, etc....? [05:52] right [05:52] here let me do a short snippet of mine [05:52] for an example [05:52] ubotu, whats a !pastebin address [05:53] !pastebin [05:53] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [05:53] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14666/ [05:56] ok ty === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:53] keescook, more good news: I nailed down bug 55827 a few minutes ago [09:53] Malone bug 55827 in mythtv "Warning running mythtv-backend: "Authentication Rejected"" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55827 [09:53] added it to the bzr branch. it was a lot easier then i thought [09:53] gardengnome, you there? === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f813.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === billbrasky [n=billbras@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:18] gardengnome, ping [06:31] superm1: pong [06:33] gardengnome, i figured out that bug about authentication [06:33] superm1: nice! [06:33] i know a few people who are going to love you for that [06:33] bug: #55827 [06:33] bug 55827 [06:33] Malone bug 55827 in mythtv "Warning running mythtv-backend: "Authentication Rejected"" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55827 [06:34] two env variables need to be unset [06:34] during the init script [06:34] yay :) [06:36] i found the solution by accident when i was comparing the results of a VM install, a headless install over ssh [06:36] that's really cool. thanks a lot! [06:36] not a problem, this was bugging me too :) [06:37] when keescook comes around later, i'm gonna poke around to get this and 4 other bug fixes i assembled the last few days in [07:23] superm1: awsome! I was out all weekend. I'll check that stuff tonight. great work! [07:38] keescook, i'll be around until about 4 or 5 pm central time, and then back on after 10 pm central, so let me know if there is anything that doesnt make sense or look good then [07:47] superm1: you got it === outlier [n=brenna@216.171.252.54] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === majoridiot [n=majoridi@74-141-134-199.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === outlier [n=brenna@216.171.252.54] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Leaving"] [10:05] ping: williammanda [10:05] oh majoridiot williammanda was looking for you last night [10:05] regarding the firefly remote i believe [10:06] k. same here. lol [10:06] williammanda wasnt sure about setting up a ~/.lircrc [10:06] i pointed in the right direction afaik [10:06] great. ty. === majoridiot wonders where his link to the log went === majoridiot found it [10:07] the problem with reorganizing is remembering where you "organized" things to [10:09] haha [10:09] you should start using del.icio.us [10:09] and tagging stuff [10:09] i'd lose the link. [10:09] most likely you will associate the same words with a topic [10:11] i jsut put everything in my bookmarks [10:11] and i never look in there... [10:12] have you had any luck getting composite tv-out working well on an ati? [10:13] yes, but it was an ati rage 128 and it wasn't pretty... [10:13] cant say i've ever tried - [10:13] do the official ati releases have amdcccle? [10:13] i got it kinda working in clone mode on the last install... 640x480, horribly fuzzy desktop, but myth was watchable. [10:14] hm... haven't seen reference to that. [10:14] well i thought it was introduced publicly in last months release [10:14] it has a nice gui way of setting up multiple monitors and tv out and such [10:15] i found some info yesterday i'm going to try and work from... just wondering if i shouldn't throw the spare 5500fx in. [10:16] hm. that comes with the standard driver install? [10:17] heh [10:17] that's exactly what the ATI drivers needed. another control panel. [10:18] majoridiot, well actually it appears no [10:18] 8.34.8 is the latest in ubuntu repos [10:18] looking at the ati page again... [10:18] i think the 8.35 series introduced that control panel [10:18] i saw no reference to that yesterday [10:18] gardengnome, its actually a lot nicer then you'd think [10:19] its fairly comparable to the nvidia-settings control panel [10:19] thats available [10:19] right. i'm not saying it's bad. i'm just saying that those development cycles could have been dedicated to actual driver development :) [10:20] agrees. [10:20] ok, the display manager looks nice. [10:20] well not to say the same developers that do driver development do the control panel [10:20] updated less OO. rebooting and then trying it. [10:21] but i'm only defending ATI here in this respect because i'm still hoping they can get a release with AIGLX out the door this year :) [10:21] superm1: it's all about money ;) [10:21] maybe just wishful thinking.... [10:22] completely agreed though about it being about money. last year we saw all this amazing support added for laptop support [10:22] hotkey switching [10:22] power management [10:22] and even a binary daemon for hotkey switching on thinkpads [10:22] can you wonder what was announced one month after this? [10:23] well, power management is not that bad. but i've heard that the actual driver is horrible. [10:23] Lenovo actively supports SuSE on their series of laptops [10:23] heh, thinkpads running linux? :) [10:23] so i can imagine there was a flow of money thrown at ATI for that [10:23] yep [10:23] the actual driver itself is horrible thoug [10:23] there's money in supporting linux, they just need to realize that. [10:23] i've reported every bug i come across to the beta mailing list, and they get acknowledged, but fixes take ages [10:24] its-a 1100Kbps from the-a repo [10:24] AFAIK, they never were really good at driver development. their windows drivers sucked.. at least back then with the radeon 9800 ;) [10:25] oh they still do suck in windows too from what i've heard [10:25] i'm running nvidia. it works on this box, but the binary blob makes me uncomfortable [10:25] i've accepted having to use binary blobs for the moment - [10:26] superm1: VERY nice! [10:26] it gets me pretty effects on my desktop, and power management on my laptop [10:26] majoridiot, worked out of the box for you too eh ? :) [10:26] heh, of course. i'm too pragmatic to complain about working drivers ;) [10:26] only as far as the first PW popup [10:27] 1 popup total. [10:27] no errors. [10:27] running mythtv-setup... [10:27] it should have gave you two popups [10:27] one telling you about the password [10:27] and one to run mythtv-setup [10:27] if you already had a /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, it wouldnt tell you about hte password though [10:27] yes... the first generic popup as well. [10:30] FEKKIN' BRILLIANT! [10:30] no errors... including QT nag. [10:30] wonderful :) === majoridiot would suggest only one small change [10:30] and ALSA should be default now too [10:30] whats that? [10:30] the wording for the pop-up to add to mythtv group... [10:31] i would clarify it a bit that this is the normal "sudo" password.. for complete dolts that might think they are adding a NEW password. [10:31] e.g.-- "Please enter your sudo password..", etc. [10:32] oh you mean the zenity popup [10:32] yes [10:32] i'm not sure i'll be able override that directly [10:32] let me see [10:33] Its currently "Please enter your password to add `whoami` to the mythtv group." [10:33] so perhaps "Please enter your current login password to add `whoami` to the mythtv group." [10:33] or "... your sudo password..." [10:34] just so there is no confusion among us in the lowest common denominator. ;) [10:34] i dont feel comfortable putting sudo password though - that feels like using sudo in the wrong context [10:35] true [10:36] gardengnome, what do you think about that? [10:36] needs rewording or no? === majoridiot is wondering that [10:37] i'd favor "current login password" [10:37] or [10:37] "Please re-authenticate yourself by entering your current password" [10:37] current login pw works [10:38] better than sudo. yes. [10:38] beryl is... interesting. [10:39] k i updated that [10:39] to current login password [10:39] majoridiot, any other qualms? [10:40] yes. [10:40] why does it not properly setup my tuners and channel lineup? [10:40] :P [10:40] haha [10:40] no, man... it's absolutely brilliant! [10:40] wonderful. [10:40] EXCELLENT job! [10:40] thx [10:40] keescook later on when you are taking a look at the packaging changes, i have binaries on http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 (its a falcon repo, subrepositories are described on that site) [10:41] those are the ones majoridiot was just trying [10:41] as an ubuntu mythtv user and supporter, i thank you. [10:41] wonder if this will be enough for juski to take off that video he made from his site [10:41] .. [10:41] video? [10:42] http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/mythnoob.wmv === majoridiot seriously hopes this is a parody [10:43] either way it is a bit disturbing eh? [10:44] odd... i read disturbing... saw "retarded" flash in the captions and am now torn. [10:45] i would be mortified to think i was recorded doing that... let alone posting it on the web. [10:45] egads... the end is just... [10:46] i really wonder who actually shot that [10:46] if it was juski [10:46] or someone else that just submitted it to him [10:46] explains a lot, tho. [10:46] as great as this new package is... and it is AWESOME... [10:46] i just know they'll find a way to bork it somehow. [10:47] well i can only think of *one* way you can [10:47] if you install it when you have no root password for mysql [10:47] and then you setup a root password [10:47] update the debconf in the package [10:47] and then remove the root password again [10:47] you cant set the debconf for the package to a blank password the second time around [10:48] considering a simple group addition stumped them, i think it's probably safe to assume that will never happend. [10:48] well for the longest time no one (including myself) identified that the issue causing all these password problems was that [10:51] superm1, majoridiot: the kid in juski's video is known to the internet community as "angry german kid". he's getting annoyed over unreal tournament in this video - to amuse us. [10:51] ah. the the captions were parody. [10:51] superm1, majoridiot: it's supposed to make fun of all the people who demand too much (and also a call for help ;)) [10:51] that makes much more sense here [10:51] majoridiot: of course! === majoridiot is somehow relieved by this [10:51] gardengnome, i had no idea [10:51] heh [10:52] look him up on youtube. there are several remixes of that kid. [10:52] gardengnome, i wasnt sure if to think this to be serious or have a serious connotation associated with, or an underlying message or what [10:53] i was hoping it was not meant to be ubuntu-specific... as RTFM is very rarely an answer in the forums or here. [10:54] superm1: it's a parody. of course, it also shows that he thinks something needs to be done about the mythtv database issue on ubuntu ;) [10:54] which you have already done [10:55] then i've understood his underlying message:) [10:55] mind you, it also critizes the supporting community, i think [10:55] did you guys really think it was some poor german kid trying to install mythtv? [10:55] majoridiot, not sure if that will be good though - i forgot i have a blue theme [10:55] on my laptop [10:55] lol [10:55] you germans are pretty crazy...... [10:56] BTW, he logs in as "jenetik" to #mythtv-users. that was a reference to a complete.. dork. [10:56] superm1: heh [10:56] gardengnome, juski does now? [10:57] superm1: sorry, what do you mean? "jenetik"? that's the kid in the video, so to speak [10:57] oh [10:57] i havent watched it in a while [10:57] superm1: thaz cool too... i grabbed a cap on install. :) [11:02] sigh...http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262662 [11:04] (beryl crashed my box. now i'm back to plain ol' KDE. :)) [11:04] Probably not. I don't think the package manager actually uses mythtv [11:04] in anger. [11:04] Ben [11:04] ??? [11:04] yea exactly [11:04] i dont respond on this mailing list typically [11:04] but i have to [11:04] in this case [11:05] jackasses. [11:05] superm1: keep it short, don't waste too much time - unless you want to ;) [11:05] superm1: confirmed alsa correctly configures on mythtv meta install and frontend install only [11:06] gardengnome, this isn't the first i have heard of people accusing me of not using my own packages though [11:06] i just wonder where that thought came from [11:06] probably because you don't show up much there [11:06] i wouldn't know [11:07] anyways, it's 11pm and i should study some more [11:07] gardengnome, have a good evening. kick those finals butts :) [11:11] majoridiot, ooh like the shiny new screenshot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Live/Feisty/Update?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Upgrade.png [11:11] looks nice :) [11:11] hehe [11:11] majoridiot, also still need to move openssh server to the what next [11:11] ty [11:12] i studied with the finest. [11:12] move it from where? [11:12] i see it on MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Desktop_O [11:12] yes [11:12] you said remove from frontend only pages. [11:13] but leave on backend. [11:13] oh but thats a desktop page [11:13] i was saying pull it from desktop pages all together wasnt i? [11:14] mayhaps what you meant... ;) [11:14] i'll move them for desktop as well. [11:14] (working on the lirc page atm) [11:14] k [11:14] if i catch any minor changes, like typos i'll just fix them k [11:17] VERY much appreciated. [11:17] :D [11:18] i was thinking a little more with regard to the commenting out the bind-address thing [11:18] following it should be a quick explanation of how to change your root password [11:18] for mysql === majoridiot cringes [11:18] well there is a very very very easy way [11:18] that i learned yesterday [11:18] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 [11:18] followed by [11:19] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database (with the new packaging) [11:19] so perhaps only on the backend only setups [11:19] have that bind address comment [11:19] i would DEFINITELY prefer that be added to what next. [11:19] and the root password changes [11:19] and then move all three to what next for the others? [11:20] i can just envision nightmares having the mysql root changed... [11:21] until it can be added as an install option, i think we are better off adding it as a recommendation in "what next"... [11:21] hey guys [11:21] to get around those who will find a way to botch it and never get it working to begin with [11:21] hola williammanda [11:21] major...i have an updated lircrc file if you want it [11:21] okay then at least pull the mysql 127.0.0.1 stuff out of the setups that dont need it i think. [11:22] williammanda: pls email it. i'm working on that right now. :) [11:23] email pls [11:23] bind address out of everything but backend only setups? [11:23] i think so [11:23] its just another balance between security and convenience i guess [11:23] what do you think? [11:24] honestly... [11:24] leave it in? [11:24] i think the issue of mysql security is rather irrelevant for 99% of mythtv setups... [11:24] and those that would have an issue, know exactly what needs done. [11:24] that is very true [11:25] my god... i've been hacked and they stole my favorite channel list! === majoridiot snickers [11:26] lol === superm1 would be devastated [11:29] major....email sent [11:29] ty :) [11:29] majoridiot, perhaps some mentions about medibuntu in the mythdvd section. afaik, you need medibuntu debs installed in order to use anything other than perfect [11:29] but i havent tried [11:30] i haven't even looked at that yet... i haven't used it. [11:30] i figure i'll flesh out the plugins as i add and configure them myself... unless someone else jumps in. [11:33] i've caught a few other typos around the pages i've been fixing [11:33] i'm not sure if your subscribed and will see them all? [11:33] great [11:33] i will see a lot of them... subscribed to most pages. [11:33] you know how hard it is to catch your own typos [11:34] yea [11:34] well FF 2.0 should catch a lot of them for you though [11:34] you titled one of the pages Fesity too [11:34] but that cant be fixed [11:34] LOL [11:34] which one? i'll just move it [11:35] oh i forgot, [11:35] i'll let you know if i come across it again [11:35] k [11:35] oh and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/Fesity [11:36] lol [11:36] there it is [11:36]