[12:34] <superm1> majoridiot, have you noticed anything lately with regard to mysql-server not starting up during package installation?
[12:35] <majoridiot> no
[12:35] <superm1> well what i'm seeing is that it stops, starts, and then stops again
[12:35] <superm1> its really weird
[12:35] <majoridiot> has started fine on every install i've done lately... probably 30+ total.
[12:35] <superm1> probably directly related to some of my packaging changes then
[12:35] <superm1> i'll see
[12:39] <superm1> yup oops.  i put the dependency of mysql-server at the end, not the beginning
[12:39] <superm1> i didn't realize that actually matterd :)
[01:30] <superm1> majoridiot, okay very nice.  the package appears to work correctly now with these changes
[01:30] <superm1> if nothing is installed
[01:30] <majoridiot> :)
[01:31] <superm1> it will give you two popups
[01:31] <superm1> one saying that you need to run mythtv-setup when done
[01:31] <superm1> and the other telling your the mysql password for "mythtv"
[01:31] <superm1> keescook, are you around today, or taking the day off for easter?
[01:31] <majoridiot> very nice
[01:31] <majoridiot> lemme know when you want me to test it
[01:32] <superm1> hopefully later tonite.  i cant do a full binary build in a pbuilder because my mirror that i use is in the process of syncing to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:32] <superm1> so its missing build deps
[01:32] <majoridiot> k
[01:32] <superm1> i've just been extracting the debs and modifying DEBIAN/control
[01:34] <superm1> in the case that someone has already changed the mysql root password, a simple "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common" will let them put in the correct info
[01:35] <superm1> er: in the case that someone has already changed the mysql root password, a simple "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" will let them put in the correct info
[01:36] <majoridiot> excellent. near idiot-proof.
[01:36] <superm1> afaik: completely idiot proof
[01:36] <majoridiot> we'll see...
[01:36] <majoridiot> LOL
[01:37] <superm1> good point....
[01:38] <superm1> for packages after feisty is released i'd like to get something setup that will handle securing the root password during install though
[01:38] <majoridiot> logical next step, yes.
[01:39] <superm1> okay there is only one other bug then that i wanted to kill before feisty release if possible
[01:40] <superm1> having ALSA be the default
[01:40] <superm1> rather than OSS
[01:40] <majoridiot> that would be awesome.  it is a pain.
[01:40] <majoridiot> small, niggling... but a pain.
[01:40] <superm1> i looked at the source briefly
[01:40] <superm1> and cant seem to identify how it is made defualt
[01:42] <majoridiot> is it done source-level or is it a default entry in mythconverg?
[01:43] <superm1> i would have thought source level, because every new machine gets it
[01:43] <superm1> but then again i havent looked at the default entries in mythconverg
[01:43] <majoridiot> dunno why... just a feeling.
[01:43] <superm1> okay....... i'll check
[01:44] <superm1> well then again, we dont setup the database tables by a SQL file
[01:44] <superm1> so it cant be mythconverg directly
[01:44] <superm1> we only do a username and create the mythconverg database
[01:45] <superm1> mythbackend and mythfrontend create and modify all subtables
[01:45] <majoridiot> hm.
[02:04] <superm1> well i think i might have identified how to do it
[02:04] <superm1> if only i could do a test build and make sure :)
[02:05] <majoridiot> i was just looking at globalsettings.cpp
[02:09] <superm1> thats where i made the two changes
[02:09] <superm1> i think meerly adding two lines
[02:10] <superm1> for selection types for alsa before it parses /dev
[02:10] <superm1> should do it
[03:24] <superm1> majoridiot, okay the ALSA changes work
[03:24] <superm1> wonderful :)
[03:25] <majoridiot> :D
[03:25] <superm1> i got all my bugs that i had set as my own priority fixed
[03:25] <majoridiot> great job!
[03:25] <superm1> i'm gonna go jump in the shower and then run to campus.  i'll upload these once i get there and you can give them a spin if you like
[03:26] <majoridiot> k
[03:26] <superm1> any pages you'd particularly like me to look over tonite?
[03:26] <superm1> the rest of the night i'm going to spend looking over your pages and working on some homework
[03:26] <majoridiot> have at any of them, at your discretion
[03:27] <superm1> k
[03:28] <superm1> keescook, when you get back around, i've got patches in bzr for bug 99916, bug 96739, bug 103191, and bug 93341 i'd like you to take a look at
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 99916 in mythtv "mythtv-database should better explain the mysql password for root" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99916
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 96739 in mythtv "User should be told what the mythtv user account password is" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96739
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 103191 in mythtv "ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does not set defaults for media player applications" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103191
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 93341 in mythtv "mythtv should use ALSA by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93341
[03:29] <superm1> they're in revision 24.
[03:29] <superm1> okay catch ya in a bit majoridiot
[03:50] <superm1> ok majoridiot, things have been uploaded to my repo at http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 if you'd be able to try the binaries.  Note, you won't get the indication of the mysql password unless its a fresh install of the mythtv packages
[04:41] <williammanda> hey superm1...is majoridiot coming back soon?
[04:41] <superm1> williammanda, not sure, i just left for the last 20-30 minu
[04:41] <superm1> and didnt realize he left until now
[04:41] <superm1> he was gonna test out some changes in my package
[04:42] <williammanda> i updated my lircrc file for firefly...he got the old copy yesterday
[04:42] <superm1> oh firefly does work with ati_usb?
[04:45] <williammanda> yes..very nice...
[04:45] <williammanda> lay in bed and point at the roof
[04:47] <williammanda> i want to use the remote for other programs...
[04:48] <williammanda> do i need to create a new lircrc file for every program I want to use the remote with?
[04:50] <williammanda> and do I need to put the lircrc file in the .xxxx subdirectory of the program under my user name?
[04:51] <williammanda> example  home/william/.mplayer
[04:52] <williammanda> the lirc website confuses me......
[04:53] <williammanda> it says I can create one lircrc file and place it in the /etc/lircrc directory...but there isn't one
[04:54] <williammanda> and if I choose to create mulitple lircrc files....they need to be in the home directory
[04:54] <williammanda> i moved the lircrc file for myth to my user directory and it didn't work
[04:57] <superm1> you need to add more sections to your lircrc
[04:57] <superm1> sorry i was afk for a few
[04:57] <superm1> so mythtv is the only app afaik that uses its own lircrc
[04:58] <superm1> everything else you put into ~/.lircrc
[05:10] <williammanda> i have tried the lircrc file(s) both ways....all in one file and separate files...neither works except for mythtv
[05:12] <williammanda> oh...are you saying..all other programs I want to control need to be in a lircrc file under ~.lircrc?file
[05:12] <superm1> right
[05:12] <superm1> in ~/.lircrc
[05:12] <williammanda> where is ~/.lircrc?
[05:13] <superm1> ~/ :)
[05:13] <superm1> ~ is your home directory
[05:13] <williammanda> :)....is that under my user name?
[05:13] <williammanda> ok ty
[05:14] <superm1> yup, hopefully thats clearer then
[05:14] <williammanda> yes...ty...I'll try that
[05:41] <williammanda> ok...i have created a subdirectory.../home/.lircrc
[05:42] <williammanda> i have a file called lircrc saved in /home/.lircrc
[05:47] <superm1> williammanda, you mixed that up a bit
[05:47] <superm1> lets say your username is bob
[05:47] <superm1> you should be making a file
[05:47] <superm1> called /home/bob/.lircrc
[05:48] <superm1> and putting sections in that file
[05:49] <williammanda> sections being....mplayer, kaffeine, xine, etc....?
[05:52] <superm1> right
[05:52] <superm1> here let me do a short snippet of mine
[05:52] <superm1> for an example
[05:52] <superm1> ubotu, whats a !pastebin address
[05:53] <superm1> !pastebin
[05:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:53] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14666/
[05:56] <williammanda> ok ty
[09:53] <superm1> keescook, more good news: I nailed down bug 55827 a few minutes ago
[09:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 55827 in mythtv "Warning running mythtv-backend: "Authentication Rejected"" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55827
[09:53] <superm1> added it to the bzr branch.  it was a lot easier then i thought
[09:53] <superm1> gardengnome, you there?
[06:18] <superm1> gardengnome, ping
[06:31] <gardengnome> superm1: pong
[06:33] <superm1> gardengnome, i figured out that bug about authentication
[06:33] <gardengnome> superm1: nice!
[06:33] <gardengnome> i know a few people who are going to love you for that
[06:33] <superm1> bug: #55827
[06:33] <superm1> bug 55827
[06:33] <ubotu> Malone bug 55827 in mythtv "Warning running mythtv-backend: "Authentication Rejected"" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55827
[06:34] <superm1> two env variables need to be unset
[06:34] <superm1> during the init script
[06:34] <gardengnome> yay :)
[06:36] <superm1> i found the solution by accident when i was comparing the results of a VM install, a headless install over ssh
[06:36] <gardengnome> that's really cool. thanks a lot!
[06:36] <superm1> not a problem, this was bugging me too :)
[06:37] <superm1> when keescook comes around later, i'm gonna poke around to get this and 4 other bug fixes i assembled the last few days in
[07:23] <keescook> superm1: awsome!  I was out all weekend.  I'll check that stuff tonight.  great work!
[07:38] <superm1> keescook, i'll be around until about 4 or 5 pm central time, and then back on after 10 pm central, so let me know if there is anything that doesnt make sense or look good then
[07:47] <keescook> superm1: you got it
[10:05] <majoridiot> ping: williammanda
[10:05] <superm1> oh majoridiot williammanda was looking for you last night
[10:05] <superm1> regarding the firefly remote i believe
[10:06] <majoridiot> k.  same here. lol
[10:06] <superm1> williammanda wasnt sure about setting up a ~/.lircrc
[10:06] <superm1> i pointed in the right direction afaik
[10:06] <majoridiot> great.  ty.
[10:07] <majoridiot> the problem with reorganizing is remembering where you "organized" things to
[10:09] <superm1> haha
[10:09] <superm1> you should start using del.icio.us
[10:09] <superm1> and tagging stuff
[10:09] <majoridiot> i'd lose the link.
[10:09] <superm1> most likely you will associate the same words with a topic
[10:11] <gardengnome> i jsut put everything in my bookmarks
[10:11] <gardengnome> and i never look in there...
[10:12] <majoridiot> have you had any luck getting composite tv-out working well on an ati?
[10:13] <gardengnome> yes, but it was an ati rage 128 and it wasn't pretty...
[10:13] <superm1> cant say i've ever tried -
[10:13] <superm1> do the official ati releases have amdcccle?
[10:13] <majoridiot> i got it kinda working in clone mode on the last install... 640x480, horribly fuzzy desktop, but myth was watchable.
[10:14] <majoridiot> hm... haven't seen reference to that.
[10:14] <superm1> well i thought it was introduced publicly in last months release
[10:14] <superm1> it has a nice gui way of setting up multiple monitors and tv out and such
[10:15] <majoridiot> i found some info yesterday i'm going to try and work from... just wondering if i shouldn't throw the spare 5500fx in.
[10:16] <majoridiot> hm.  that comes with the standard driver install?
[10:17] <gardengnome> heh
[10:17] <gardengnome> that's exactly what the ATI drivers needed. another control panel.
[10:18] <superm1> majoridiot, well actually it appears no
[10:18] <superm1> 8.34.8 is the latest in ubuntu repos
[10:18] <majoridiot> looking at the ati page again...
[10:18] <superm1> i think the 8.35 series introduced that control panel
[10:18] <majoridiot> i saw no reference to that yesterday
[10:18] <superm1> gardengnome, its actually a lot nicer then you'd think
[10:19] <superm1> its fairly comparable to the nvidia-settings control panel
[10:19] <superm1> thats available
[10:19] <gardengnome> right. i'm not saying it's bad. i'm just saying that those development cycles could have been dedicated to actual driver development :)
[10:20] <majoridiot> agrees.
[10:20] <gardengnome> ok, the display manager looks nice.
[10:20] <superm1> well not to say the same developers that do driver development do the control panel
[10:20] <majoridiot> updated less OO.  rebooting and then trying it.
[10:21] <superm1> but i'm only defending ATI here in this respect because i'm still hoping they can get a release with AIGLX out the door this year :)
[10:21] <gardengnome> superm1: it's all about money ;)
[10:21] <superm1> maybe just wishful thinking....
[10:22] <superm1> completely agreed though about it being about money.  last year we saw all this amazing support added for laptop support
[10:22] <superm1> hotkey switching
[10:22] <superm1> power management
[10:22] <superm1> and even a binary daemon for hotkey switching on thinkpads
[10:22] <superm1> can you wonder what was announced one month after this?
[10:23] <gardengnome> well, power management is not that bad. but i've heard that the actual driver is horrible.
[10:23] <superm1> Lenovo actively supports SuSE on their series of laptops
[10:23] <gardengnome> heh, thinkpads running linux? :)
[10:23] <superm1> so i can imagine there was a flow of money thrown at ATI for that
[10:23] <gardengnome> yep
[10:23] <superm1> the actual driver itself is horrible thoug
[10:23] <gardengnome> there's money in supporting linux, they just need to realize that.
[10:23] <superm1> i've reported every bug i come across to the beta mailing list, and they get acknowledged, but fixes take ages
[10:24] <majoridiot> its-a 1100Kbps from the-a repo
[10:24] <gardengnome> AFAIK, they never were really good at driver development. their windows drivers sucked.. at least back then with the radeon 9800 ;)
[10:25] <superm1> oh they still do suck in windows too from what i've heard
[10:25] <gardengnome> i'm running nvidia. it works on this box, but the binary blob makes me uncomfortable
[10:25] <superm1> i've accepted having to use binary blobs for the moment -
[10:26] <majoridiot> superm1: VERY nice!
[10:26] <superm1> it gets me pretty effects on my desktop, and power management on my laptop
[10:26] <superm1> majoridiot, worked out of the box for you too eh ? :)
[10:26] <gardengnome> heh, of course. i'm too pragmatic to complain about working drivers ;)
[10:26] <majoridiot> only as far as the first PW popup
[10:27] <majoridiot> 1 popup total.
[10:27] <majoridiot> no errors.
[10:27] <majoridiot> running mythtv-setup...
[10:27] <superm1> it should have gave you two popups
[10:27] <superm1> one telling you about the password
[10:27] <superm1> and one to run mythtv-setup
[10:27] <superm1> if you already had a /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, it wouldnt tell you about hte password though
[10:27] <majoridiot> yes... the first generic popup as well.
[10:30] <majoridiot> FEKKIN' BRILLIANT!
[10:30] <majoridiot> no errors... including QT nag.
[10:30] <superm1> wonderful :)
[10:30] <superm1> and ALSA should be default now too
[10:30] <superm1> whats that?
[10:30] <majoridiot> the wording for the pop-up to add to mythtv group...
[10:31] <majoridiot> i would clarify it a bit that this is the normal "sudo" password.. for complete dolts that might think they are adding a NEW password.
[10:31] <majoridiot> e.g.-- "Please enter your sudo password..", etc.
[10:32] <superm1> oh you mean the zenity popup
[10:32] <majoridiot> yes
[10:32] <superm1> i'm not sure i'll be able override that directly
[10:32] <superm1> let me see
[10:33] <superm1> Its currently "Please enter your password to add `whoami` to the mythtv group."
[10:33] <superm1> so perhaps "Please enter your current login password to add `whoami` to the mythtv group."
[10:33] <majoridiot> or "... your sudo password..."
[10:34] <majoridiot> just so there is no confusion among us in the lowest common denominator. ;)
[10:34] <superm1> i dont feel comfortable putting sudo password though  - that feels like using sudo in the wrong context
[10:35] <majoridiot> true
[10:36] <superm1> gardengnome, what do you think about that?
[10:36] <superm1> needs rewording or no?
[10:37] <gardengnome> i'd favor "current login password"
[10:37] <gardengnome> or
[10:37] <gardengnome> "Please re-authenticate yourself by entering your current password"
[10:37] <majoridiot> current login pw works
[10:38] <majoridiot> better than sudo.  yes.
[10:38] <gardengnome> beryl is... interesting.
[10:39] <superm1> k i updated that
[10:39] <superm1> to current login password
[10:39] <superm1> majoridiot, any other qualms?
[10:40] <majoridiot> yes.
[10:40] <majoridiot> why does it not properly setup my tuners and channel lineup?
[10:40] <majoridiot> :P
[10:40] <superm1> haha
[10:40] <majoridiot> no, man... it's absolutely brilliant!
[10:40] <superm1> wonderful.
[10:40] <majoridiot> EXCELLENT job!
[10:40] <superm1> thx
[10:40] <superm1> keescook later on when you are taking a look at the packaging changes, i have binaries on http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 (its a falcon repo, subrepositories are described on that site)
[10:41] <superm1> those are the ones majoridiot was just trying
[10:41] <majoridiot> as an ubuntu mythtv user and supporter, i thank you.
[10:41] <superm1> wonder if this will be enough for juski to take off that video he made from his site
[10:41] <superm1> ..
[10:41] <majoridiot> video?
[10:42] <superm1> http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/mythnoob.wmv
[10:43] <superm1> either way it is a bit disturbing eh?
[10:44] <majoridiot> odd... i read disturbing... saw "retarded" flash in the captions and am now torn.
[10:45] <majoridiot> i would be mortified to think i was recorded doing that... let alone posting it on the web.
[10:45] <majoridiot> egads... the end is just...
[10:46] <superm1> i really wonder who actually shot that
[10:46] <superm1> if it was juski
[10:46] <superm1> or someone else that just submitted it to him
[10:46] <majoridiot> explains a lot, tho.
[10:46] <majoridiot> as great as this new package is... and it is AWESOME...
[10:46] <majoridiot> i just know they'll find a way to bork it somehow.
[10:47] <superm1> well i can only think of *one* way you can
[10:47] <superm1> if you install it when you have no root password for mysql
[10:47] <superm1> and then you setup a root password
[10:47] <superm1> update the debconf in the package
[10:47] <superm1> and then remove the root password again
[10:47] <superm1> you cant set the debconf for the package to a blank password the second time around
[10:48] <majoridiot> considering a simple group addition stumped them, i think it's probably safe to assume that will never happend.
[10:48] <superm1> well for the longest time no one (including myself) identified that the issue causing all these password problems was that
[10:51] <gardengnome> superm1, majoridiot: the kid in juski's video is known to the internet community as "angry german kid". he's getting annoyed over unreal tournament in this video - to amuse us.
[10:51] <majoridiot> ah.  the the captions were parody.
[10:51] <gardengnome> superm1, majoridiot: it's supposed to make fun of all the people who demand too much (and also a call for help ;))
[10:51] <superm1> that makes much more sense here
[10:51] <gardengnome> majoridiot: of course!
[10:51] <superm1> gardengnome, i had no idea
[10:51] <gardengnome> heh
[10:52] <gardengnome> look him up on youtube. there are several remixes of that kid.
[10:52] <superm1> gardengnome, i wasnt sure if to think this to be serious or have a serious connotation associated with, or an underlying message or what
[10:53] <majoridiot> i was hoping it was not meant to be ubuntu-specific... as RTFM is very rarely an answer in the forums or here.
[10:54] <gardengnome> superm1: it's a parody. of course, it also shows that he thinks something needs to be done about the mythtv database issue on ubuntu ;)
[10:54] <gardengnome> which you have already done
[10:55] <superm1> then i've understood his underlying message:)
[10:55] <gardengnome> mind you, it also critizes the supporting community, i think
[10:55] <gardengnome> did you guys really think it was some poor german kid trying to install mythtv?
[10:55] <superm1> majoridiot, not sure if that will be good though - i forgot i have a blue theme
[10:55] <superm1> on my laptop
[10:55] <superm1> lol
[10:55] <superm1> you germans are pretty crazy......
[10:56] <gardengnome> BTW, he logs in as "jenetik" to #mythtv-users. that was a reference to a complete.. dork.
[10:56] <gardengnome> superm1: heh
[10:56] <superm1> gardengnome, juski does now?
[10:57] <gardengnome> superm1: sorry, what do you mean? "jenetik"? that's the kid in the video, so to speak
[10:57] <superm1> oh
[10:57] <superm1> i havent watched it in a while
[10:57] <majoridiot> superm1: thaz cool too... i grabbed a cap on install. :)
[11:02] <superm1> sigh...http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262662
[11:04] <gardengnome> (beryl crashed my box. now i'm back to plain ol' KDE. :))
[11:04] <majoridiot> Probably not. I don't think the package manager actually uses mythtv
[11:04] <majoridiot> in anger.
[11:04] <majoridiot> Ben
[11:04] <majoridiot> ???
[11:04] <superm1> yea exactly
[11:04] <superm1> i dont respond on this mailing list typically
[11:04] <superm1> but i have to
[11:04] <superm1> in this case
[11:05] <majoridiot> jackasses.
[11:05] <gardengnome> superm1: keep it short, don't waste too much time  - unless you want to ;)
[11:05] <majoridiot> superm1: confirmed alsa correctly configures on mythtv meta install and frontend install only
[11:06] <superm1> gardengnome, this isn't the first i have heard of people accusing me of not using my own packages though
[11:06] <superm1> i just wonder where that thought came from
[11:06] <gardengnome> probably because you don't show up much there
[11:06] <gardengnome> i wouldn't know
[11:07] <gardengnome> anyways, it's 11pm and i should study some more
[11:07] <superm1> gardengnome, have a good evening.  kick those finals butts :)
[11:11] <superm1> majoridiot, ooh like the shiny new screenshot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Live/Feisty/Update?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Upgrade.png
[11:11] <superm1> looks nice :)
[11:11] <majoridiot> hehe
[11:11] <superm1> majoridiot, also still need to move openssh server to the what next
[11:11] <majoridiot> ty
[11:12] <majoridiot> i studied with the finest.
[11:12] <majoridiot> move it from where?
[11:12] <superm1> i see it on MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Desktop_O
[11:12] <majoridiot> yes
[11:12] <majoridiot> you said remove from frontend only pages.
[11:13] <majoridiot> but leave on backend.
[11:13] <superm1> oh but thats a desktop page
[11:13] <superm1> i was saying pull it from desktop pages all together wasnt i?
[11:14] <majoridiot> mayhaps what you meant... ;)
[11:14] <majoridiot> i'll move them for desktop as well.
[11:14] <majoridiot> (working on the lirc page atm)
[11:14] <superm1> k
[11:14] <superm1> if i catch any minor changes, like typos i'll just fix them k
[11:17] <majoridiot> VERY much appreciated.
[11:17] <majoridiot> :D
[11:18] <superm1> i was thinking a little more with regard to the commenting out the bind-address thing
[11:18] <superm1> following it should be a quick explanation of how to change your root password
[11:18] <superm1> for mysql
[11:18] <superm1> well there is a very very very easy way
[11:18] <superm1> that i learned yesterday
[11:18] <superm1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0
[11:18] <superm1> followed by
[11:19] <superm1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database (with the new packaging)
[11:19] <superm1> so perhaps only on the backend only setups
[11:19] <superm1> have that bind address comment
[11:19] <majoridiot> i would DEFINITELY prefer that be added to what next.
[11:19] <superm1> and the root password changes
[11:19] <superm1> and then move all three to what next for the others?
[11:20] <majoridiot> i can just envision nightmares having the mysql root changed...
[11:21] <majoridiot> until it can be added as an install option, i think we are better off adding it as a recommendation in "what next"...
[11:21] <williammanda> hey guys
[11:21] <majoridiot> to get around those who will find a way to botch it and never get it working to begin with
[11:21] <majoridiot> hola williammanda
[11:21] <williammanda> major...i have an updated lircrc file if you want it
[11:21] <superm1> okay then at least pull the mysql 127.0.0.1 stuff out of the setups that dont need it i think.
[11:22] <majoridiot> williammanda: pls email it. i'm working on that right now. :)
[11:23] <williammanda> email pls
[11:23] <majoridiot> bind address out of everything but backend only setups?
[11:23] <superm1> i think so
[11:23] <superm1> its just another balance between security and convenience i guess
[11:23] <superm1> what do you think?
[11:24] <majoridiot> honestly...
[11:24] <superm1> leave it in?
[11:24] <majoridiot> i think the issue of mysql security is rather irrelevant for 99% of mythtv setups...
[11:24] <majoridiot> and those that would have an issue, know exactly what needs done.
[11:24] <superm1> that is very true
[11:25] <majoridiot> my god... i've been hacked and they stole my favorite channel list!
[11:26] <superm1> lol
[11:29] <williammanda> major....email sent
[11:29] <majoridiot> ty :)
[11:29] <superm1> majoridiot, perhaps some mentions about medibuntu in the mythdvd section.  afaik, you need medibuntu debs installed in order to use anything other than perfect
[11:29] <superm1> but i havent tried
[11:30] <majoridiot> i haven't even looked at that yet... i haven't used it.
[11:30] <majoridiot> i figure i'll flesh out the plugins as i add and configure them myself... unless someone else jumps in.
[11:33] <superm1> i've caught a few other typos around the pages i've been fixing
[11:33] <superm1> i'm not sure if your subscribed and will see them all?
[11:33] <majoridiot> great
[11:33] <majoridiot> i will see a lot of them... subscribed to most pages.
[11:33] <majoridiot> you know how hard it is to catch your own typos
[11:34] <superm1> yea
[11:34] <superm1> well FF 2.0 should catch a lot of them for you though
[11:34] <superm1> you titled one of the pages Fesity too
[11:34] <superm1> but that cant be fixed
[11:34] <majoridiot> LOL
[11:34] <majoridiot> which one?  i'll just move it
[11:35] <superm1> oh i forgot,
[11:35] <superm1> i'll let you know if i come across it again
[11:35] <majoridiot> k
[11:35] <superm1> oh and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/Fesity
[11:36] <superm1> lol
[11:36] <superm1> there it is
[11:36] <superm1> i didnt even realized
[11:36] <superm1> s/realized/realize
[11:36] <superm1> before you move it
[11:36] <superm1> make two pages
[11:36] <superm1> because that has GUI stuff and is linked from the server pages
[11:36] <majoridiot> damn.
[11:37] <majoridiot> idiot.
[11:37] <majoridiot> LOL
[11:37] <superm1> haha
[11:42] <williammanda> hey guys....can i ask a quick lirc question?
[11:43] <majoridiot> NO!
[11:43] <majoridiot> lol
[11:43] <superm1> okay majoridiot i've got what i can looked at.  i have to get home and ready for work
[11:43] <superm1> i'll be back later tonite
[11:43] <majoridiot> thank you!
[11:43] <superm1> catch ya later
[11:43] <majoridiot> ttyl
[11:43] <majoridiot> what's the Q, williammanda?
[11:44] <williammanda> what I have seen so far.....is that I can use the keyboard shortcuts to relate to the lircrc file correct?
[11:44] <majoridiot> corect
[11:45] <williammanda> ok
[11:45] <majoridiot> with two r's
[11:45] <williammanda> the prog name ie mplayer....
[11:45] <williammanda> how do i know what is the correct name to use there?
[11:46] <williammanda> is it what you type in the console or what?
[11:46] <majoridiot> correct
[11:46] <williammanda> console?
[11:46] <majoridiot> or as identified by a ps or from gnome system monitor
[11:47] <williammanda> i use kde
[11:47] <williammanda> what would that be?
[11:49] <majoridiot> if you ps -ax it will show you what is running
[11:49] <majoridiot> that is the name you would associate
[11:49] <majoridiot> generally, it will be the same as the command you launch the app with.
[11:50] <williammanda> k
[11:51] <williammanda> what kinda confuses me is that mythtv is different....
[11:51] <williammanda> ie prog=mythtv
[11:52] <williammanda> ps -ax gives me mythfrontend
[11:52] <williammanda> that is what you type in the console
[11:53] <majoridiot> interesting point
[11:53] <majoridiot> what are you trying to add functionality for?
[11:54] <williammanda> mplayer in kde
[11:54] <majoridiot> should just be mplayer
[11:55] <williammanda> k
[11:55] <williammanda> in looking at the system log.....
[11:55] <williammanda> it confirms that the lircrc is running....
[11:56] <williammanda> says...accepted new client on /dev/lircd
[11:56] <majoridiot> ok
[11:56] <williammanda> the keyboard shortcut for pause is "p"
[11:56] <williammanda> i have that programmed....
[11:56] <williammanda> but it isn't working....
[11:57] <williammanda> prog=mplayer
[11:57] <williammanda> button=PAUSE
[11:57] <williammanda> config=p
[11:57] <williammanda> that is what I have
[11:58] <majoridiot> ok...
[11:58] <majoridiot> for other apps, i think it needs to be linked to the name of the action in the program...
[11:58] <majoridiot> e.g. congif="Pause"
[11:58] <majoridiot> config
[11:59] <williammanda> instead of the keyboard shortcut "p"
[12:02] <majoridiot> hope that helps
[12:05] <williammanda> is the lircrc case sensitive?
[12:05] <majoridiot> Yes
[12:06] <williammanda> ok....i know the remote buttons work....
[12:06] <williammanda> that leaves me with the prog & config fields
[12:08] <williammanda> i'm trying to get away from finding out what works by chance
[12:08] <majoridiot> k
[12:08] <majoridiot> where is your lircrc file located?
[12:08] <williammanda> /home/william
[12:08] <williammanda> sorry
[12:09] <williammanda> /home/william/.lircrc
[12:09] <williammanda> that confused to start with....the way myth does it
[12:09] <majoridiot> with a symlink in /home/william/.mythtv that points to /home/william/.lircrc?
[12:09] <williammanda> confused me
[12:10] <williammanda> no....
[12:10] <majoridiot> what is the result of:
[12:10] <williammanda> i have two files.....one in .mythtv and one in /home/william/.lircrc
[12:10] <majoridiot> ls -l /home/william/.mythtv
[12:12] <williammanda> its on another computer
[12:12] <williammanda> do u want to know permissions?
[12:13] <majoridiot> yes... for the lircrc file in .mythtv
[12:13] <williammanda> root for both
[12:14] <majoridiot> all the permissions, pls
[12:15] <williammanda> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[12:15] <majoridiot> k
[12:15] <majoridiot> and when you edit the lircrc... are you editing that one or ~/.lircrc   ?
[12:16] <williammanda> /home/william/.lircrc
[12:16] <majoridiot> k
[12:16] <williammanda> not editing .mythtv/lircrc
[12:16] <majoridiot> do:
[12:17] <majoridiot> sudo rm ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[12:17] <majoridiot> then
[12:17] <majoridiot> ln -s ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.lircrc
[12:18] <majoridiot> what that does:
[12:18] <majoridiot> mythtv looks for an lircrc file in the .mythtv directory
[12:18] <majoridiot> so the ln command creates a symbolic link pointing to the .lircrc in you home dir
[12:19] <majoridiot> which is where lirc itself looks for it.
[12:20] <majoridiot> you need to restart the frontend for any changes to your lircrc to take effect
[12:20] <williammanda> frontend? mythfrontend?
[12:21] <majoridiot> yes
[12:21] <majoridiot> just exit and fire it back up
[12:21] <majoridiot> each time you change lircrc
[12:21] <williammanda> right....i have been restarting programs to test lircrc file
[12:21] <majoridiot> k
[12:22] <williammanda> so can I have more than one lircrc file or just one?
[12:22] <majoridiot> just keep the one
[12:23] <majoridiot> with entires for all of your programs in it.
[12:23] <williammanda> and that one file will be located at /home/william/.lircrc