[12:52] <mindblock> anyone else experiencing a slight perfomance decrease in xfce 4.4 from 4.3?
[01:27] <Jester45> anyone here hate when companies have opensource software but also have a pro version
[01:28] <crimsun> no, that's perfectly legit
[01:28] <Jester45> i know its legit but i still hate it
[01:28] <crimsun> I don't necessarily agree, but it is legit.
[01:28] <crimsun> they have to make $, too.
[01:28] <Jester45> limewire for example makes lots of money
[01:29] <Jester45> yet the code is GPLed
[01:30] <Jester45> http://www.info.com.ph/~cyberray/sponsor.html this fancy guy figured it out and if giving out free limeiwre pros
[01:30] <Jester45> he has the beta version wich is nice
[01:31] <Jester45> its very smart
[01:55] <Jester45> anyone wanna see how my sister cooks
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Uh, maybe?  Why?
[02:54] <Jester45>  /join #ubuntu
[02:56] <maxamillion> Jester45: minus space?
[02:58] <Jester45> typo
[02:58] <maxamillion> rgr
[03:02] <neuton> hello all
[03:02] <maxamillion> hi hi
[03:02] <neuton> I am new to XUbuntu
[03:02] <maxamillion> neuton: welcome :)
[03:03] <neuton> I was wondering how do I access my windows partition so I can listen to my music?
[03:03] <neuton> Thank You Maxamillion
[03:03] <maxamillion> neuton: mount it
[03:03] <maxamillion> your welcome
[03:03] <neuton> I tried to but it says it set to root only and can't access it?
[03:04] <neuton> which program or command do I use to mount it to access it?
[03:05] <maxamillion> neuton: sudo
[03:05] <neuton> I went under disk-admin and enabled the partition but still can't get into them?
[03:05] <maxamillion> !sudo | neuton
[03:05] <ubotu> neuton: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:06] <maxamillion> neuton: sudo basically means "admin with 'root privilages'"
[03:06] <neuton> ok so I use sudo in a terminal,but what command do I use to mount the partition
[03:07] <maxamillion> neuton: that all depends on where the partition is ... you might even have to add a path to /etc/fstab ....
[03:07] <maxamillion> neuton: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/fstab" and then pastebin the results and we can go from there
[03:08] <neuton> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:08] <neuton> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:08] <neuton> /dev/hdb1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[03:08] <neuton> /dev/hdb5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[03:08] <neuton> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:08] <maxamillion> neuton: pastebin please
[03:08] <maxamillion> neuton: next time you will be kicked for flood
[03:08] <neuton> it looks like it doesnt show the other harddrive,I am using WinXP
[03:08] <maxamillion> !pastebin | neuton
[03:08] <ubotu> neuton: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:09] <neuton> ohh sry,how do I paste bin?
[03:09] <neuton> oh ok TY
[03:09] <maxamillion> neuton: no problem
[03:09] <maxamillion> neuton: it doesn't appear to see the other partition .... uhmmm, just a moment
[03:11] <neuton> when I use the pastebin,do I copy the url and paste it here for you guys to see?
[03:11] <maxamillion> neuton: do "cat /proc/partitions" in the command line and see if there is a partition mentioned other than the ones in the /etc/fstab
[03:12] <neuton> yes it shows my hda1
[03:12] <neuton> I will paste it for u
[03:12] <maxamillion> ok
[03:13] <neuton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14652/
[03:13] <maxamillion> thanks
[03:14] <neuton> np ty you
[03:15] <maxamillion> neuton: ok, do "sudo mkdir /media/windowsPartition"
[03:16] <neuton> ok
[03:16] <maxamillion> neuton: and then do "sudo nano /etc/fstab" and add "/dev/hda1 /media/windowsPartition ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1" to the end of that file
[03:17] <maxamillion> neuton: all that should be on one line
[03:18] <neuton> are those commas or periods?
[03:18] <maxamillion> neuton: then do ctrl+o to save, and ctrl+x to exit
[03:19] <maxamillion> neuton: commas
[03:21] <neuton> ok it gave me the fstab file and then I did the save and exit,but I only saw the old info there is that correct?
[03:21] <neuton> do the changes show next time
[03:21] <maxamillion> wait ... what?
[03:21] <neuton> lol
[03:22] <neuton> when I hit the enter after typing what you wrote,it shoed the fstab but only with the info from before it was not showing the changes to it
[03:23] <maxamillion> neuton: that's probably just left over from when you did "cat /etc/fstab" in the terminal
[03:23] <neuton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14655/
[03:23] <maxamillion> neuton: do "cat /etc/fstab" again to make sure your changes are there
[03:23] <neuton> this might be easier to understand
[03:24] <neuton> it is the fstab after I did what you suggested to do
[03:24] <maxamillion> yeah, it shouldn't print the file after you edit it
[03:24] <neuton> I did not use the " at all, did i HAVE TO USE THOSE ALSO
[03:25] <neuton> sry for caps
[03:25] <maxamillion> no, you didn't
[03:26] <neuton> so no "
[03:27] <maxamillion> no
[03:27] <neuton> ok
[03:27] <maxamillion> you sure you did ctrl+o to save it?
[03:28] <neuton> yes,I will try it again
[03:28] <maxamillion> neuton: ok
[03:28] <neuton> if I am set to root I don't need to use the sudo before nano correct
[03:32] <maxamillion> neuton: correct
[03:32] <neuton> Maximillion, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14656/  this is what it looks like after I type the info you gave me and hit enter, this is showing before I save the changes
[03:37] <neuton> when I hit ctrl 0 it only saves the first part then when I hit ctrl x it goes on to the next part like and
[03:37] <maxamillion> neuton: yeah, you're not doing something right .... just do "mousepad /etc/fstab" and edit it in mousepad and save
[03:37] <neuton> it is like it is saving it all in different files instead of the fstab one
[03:37] <maxamillion> neuton: no, not ctrl+zero ... ctrl+o as in write "out"
[03:37] <neuton> sry I meant to type O
[03:38] <neuton> let me try the mousepad way then
[03:38] <maxamillion> k
[03:39] <neuton> it gave me a warning GTK-Warning can not open display
[03:39] <neuton> I should of said that I installed this version from xubuntu live cd
[03:39] <maxamillion> ok, do "gksu mousepad /etc/fstab"
[03:40] <maxamillion> neuton: shouldn't matter how it was installed
[03:40] <neuton> 1 sec brb
[03:40] <maxamillion> k
[03:42] <neuton> ok back
[03:45] <neuton> sry my sister was being a pain lol
[03:45] <neuton> the error says mousepad:5354
[03:45] <neuton> then the error
[03:46] <maxamillion> ....
[03:46] <maxamillion> neuton: get out of root
[03:46] <maxamillion> neuton: and then do "gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab"
[03:46] <maxamillion> root in *buntu's generally causes problems
[03:46] <neuton> ok I was doing it under root in the terminal
[03:47] <neuton> ok now where do I place the info?
[03:47] <maxamillion> just add it as its own line at the bottom of the file
[03:48] <neuton> ok
[03:50] <neuton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14659/
[03:50] <neuton> here is what it looks like now Max
[03:50] <maxamillion> k
[03:51] <maxamillion> neuton: now type "sudo mount /dev/hda1"
[03:51] <neuton> under root
[03:51] <maxamillion> neuton: no
[03:52] <neuton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14660/
[03:52] <neuton> look at this
[03:53] <maxamillion> ok, did you hit enter at the end of the line you wrote?
[03:54] <maxamillion> apparently mount is looking for a carriage return and claims there isn't one, and thus probably isn't reading in the line that has information about the hda1
[03:54] <neuton> ok let me fix it then
[03:54] <maxamillion> k
[03:55] <neuton> now it says it cant find dev/hda1 in fstab or mtab
[03:57] <maxamillion> neuton: "sudo mount /dev/hda1/" ?
[03:57] <neuton> ok no error now
[03:58] <maxamillion> neuton: ok, now open thunar and click on file system and then navigate to /media/windowsPartition and everything should be there
[03:59] <neuton> oh man you are a life saver ty so much
[04:00] <neuton> now do you know how to add the flash player to firefox for certain websites :)
[04:00] <neuton> I tried to install but it failed so I need to do a manual install
[04:01] <maxamillion> neuton: www.ubuntuguide.org <-- its on there among alot of other things, just keep in mind that since that guide is for ubuntu which uses gnome, you won't have gedit installed and need to use mousepad in its place since mousepad is the default text editor for xfce and thus, xubuntu
[04:01] <maxamillion> neuton: enjoy :)
[04:02] <neuton> Again Thank You so much for the help and advice I appreciate it alot
[04:03] <maxamillion> neuton: anytime, that's what we are here for :)
[04:30] <BFTD> argh
[04:30] <BFTD> none of you would happen to know the key stroke for getting into BIOS for an emonster would you?
[04:48] <maxamillion> BFTD: either DEL or F2
[04:49] <BFTD> it was F8
[04:50] <maxamillion> that's strange ... F8 is normally windows safe mode
[04:51] <BFTD> yes...quite
[04:51] <BFTD> which screws everything up
[04:51] <maxamillion> yeah, i would imagine so
[05:07] <`Orum> there an easy way to build a custom linux kernel for xubuntu?
[05:11] <maxamillion> `Orum: not any easier than on debian or ubuntu, but even that has plenty of documentation and shouldn't be hard
[05:12] <`Orum> k...what packages do you need?
[05:13] <maxamillion> `Orum: http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian
[05:13] <`Orum> thanks :)
[05:19] <j1mc> hello all. =)
[05:19] <j1mc> Pumpernickel: you around?
[05:52] <`Orum> where is the default xubuntu kernel config stored?
[05:54] <crimsun> /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:55] <`Orum> thx
[06:00] <Chili> So I've just recently installed xubuntu, any good place to start to get all the media codecs and what not that I'll need?
[06:02] <crimsun> !restricted > Chili
[06:14] <Chili> Rhythmbox work on Xubuntu?
[06:15] <OGDA> Chili, yes
[06:16] <OGDA> hrm, well I got my E-monster up and running
[06:16] <Chili> Okay, thanks.
[06:19] <snarfer> Hi, I'm in the Xubntu livecd now. I was wondering if there were a way I can install Xubntu while in the livecd, but without ubiquity
[06:19] <snarfer> ubiquity has iissues
[06:20] <snarfer> Anyone?
[06:23] <maxamillion> snarfer: there isn't an option on the live cd for package selection
[06:23] <OGDA> click the "install" icon on the desktop?
[06:23] <OGDA> oh i see
[06:27] <Chili> Hmm, I downloaded a desktop theme, but I can't paste it in the themes directory, do I have to log in with root access or what...I'm completely new to this whole xubuntu thing.
[06:28] <maxamillion> Chili: you have to create a .themes directory in your home dir and unpack themes there
[06:29] <__Serge__> Hi
[06:29] <__Serge__> i have a question...
[06:29] <__Serge__> Which are the minimum requirements to have xubuntu on your pc?? (RAM, CPU, HD...)
[06:30] <__Serge__> ?
[06:30] <__Serge__> please?
[06:31] <maxamillion> __Serge__: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[06:32] <Chili> Maxamillion: could I not just paste the them into /usr/share/themes?
[06:34] <Chili> Hmm, sorry max, could I not just paste it to /usr/share/themes?
[06:36] <maxamillion> Chili: uhmmm... yeah, that'll work too but you will have to do it as a sudo user
[06:36] <Chili> yeah, sudo thunar right?
[06:36] <maxamillion> Chili: gksudo thunar
[06:37] <Chili> whats the gk? O.o
[06:37] <maxamillion> Chili: if you are going to launch a gui application with sudo privilages, use gksudo instead of sudo
[06:37] <maxamillion> !gksudo
[06:37] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[06:37] <maxamillion> :)
[06:37] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[06:37] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:37] <Chili> okay, maybe thats why my UI pref just froze?
[06:37] <Chili> haha
[06:37] <maxamillion> Chili: possibly ... not sure
[06:38] <__Serge__> Can i have winXP and wubuntu in the same pc?
[06:38] <maxamillion> __Serge__: yeah, without a problem
[06:39] <__Serge__> how do i do that if i already have winXP on the computer?
[06:39] <Chili> Btw, thanks max, I didn't know about the gksudo thing.
[06:39] <Chili> You can use gparted to partition the drive, works like magic.
[06:40] <maxamillion> !dualboot | __Serge__
[06:40] <ubotu> __Serge__: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:40] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[06:40] <maxamillion> ....?
[06:40] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:40] <maxamillion> lol ... lag
[06:41] <__Serge__> all rite.... thx for the info
[06:41] <__Serge__> : )
[06:41] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[06:42] <Chili> Anyway to end a process w/o knowing what its name is in the process manager?
[06:42] <Chili> If its froze that is.
[06:43] <maxamillion> Chili: is it graphical?
[06:43] <Chili> yeah
[06:43] <__Serge__> 1 more thing
[06:43] <__Serge__> do i have to use some tool first? like magit partition?
[06:44] <__Serge__> or xubuntu is eniugh?
[06:44] <__Serge__> enough
[06:44] <maxamillion> Chili: just use ctrl+alt+esc ... that does what they call "xkill", it will make your cursor a skull and cross bones and then you just click on what you want to kill
[06:44] <Chili> thanks.
[06:44] <maxamillion> __Serge__: the installer has a partitioner in it
[06:44] <maxamillion> Chili: np
[06:44] <__Serge__> nice...
[06:44] <__Serge__> and...
[06:44] <__Serge__> you know
[06:45] <__Serge__> this is my first (well, my second) aproachig to linux and ubuntu
[06:45] <__Serge__> i'd like to know
[06:46] <__Serge__> those squares at the right-down corner...
[06:46] <__Serge__> what does they mean?
[06:46] <__Serge__> what do they represent?
[06:47] <maxamillion> __Serge__: those are "virtual desktops" ... open some applications and then click on one of the squares to the right, everything will disappear ... then click back on the one on the far right
[06:47] <maxamillion> __Serge__: or you can do ctrl+right-arrow ... or ctrl+left-arrow
[06:47] <coldsteal> i cannot 6.10 live cd to boot
[06:48] <coldsteal> it does evrything but it never loads xfce
[06:48] <coldsteal> evan in safe graphics mode
[06:48] <maxamillion> coldsteal: ah, sounds like your X server died ... you have a nvidia graphics card?
[06:48] <coldsteal> im on a laptop
[06:48] <__Serge__> oh... nice
[06:48] <maxamillion> coldsteal: oh ... even in safe graphics mode?
[06:48] <maxamillion> __Serge__: :)
[06:49] <coldsteal> ya it wont work in safe grafixs mode eather
[06:49] <__Serge__> you know, my first aproaching to linux was with ubuntu 5.04... i HATED IT
[06:49] <corevette_> coldsteal have you tried the alt cd?
[06:49] <maxamillion> __Serge__: we have come a long way since
[06:49] <__Serge__> is xubuntu easier to install? easier to use?
[06:49] <coldsteal> alt cd?
[06:49] <maxamillion> __Serge__: depends on what you want from a desktop environment
[06:49] <coldsteal> __Serge__: xubuntu is just with xfce
[06:50] <maxamillion> __Serge__: some users find kubuntu easier than ubunutu, otherse find the opposite .. and then those of us who prefer xubuntu
[06:50] <maxamillion> coldsteal: not entirely, but thats the base idea
[06:50] <coldsteal> __Serge__: xfce is faster than kde for shure
[06:50] <coldsteal> i have a dapperdrake server install cd
[06:50] <__Serge__> what i want is a OS that, for example, recognize the there are 2 USB ports on the pc (ubuntu 5.04 didn't...)
[06:50] <coldsteal> its the lamp one
[06:51] <maxamillion> __Serge__: both xubuntu and ubuntu will do that flawlessly
[06:51] <coldsteal> __Serge__: 5.04 was a while ago
[06:51] <maxamillion> yeah ... loooong while, ALOT has happened since then
[06:51] <coldsteal> like new kernels
[06:51] <__Serge__> it's very nice to hear (i mean, read) that... : )
[06:51] <corevette_> does xubuntu have an alt cd?
[06:51] <coldsteal> __Serge__: i have my sister using xubuntu
[06:52] <__Serge__> lol...
[06:52] <coldsteal> __Serge__: she loves it
[06:52] <__Serge__> i have another question
[06:52] <maxamillion> corevette_: yes
[06:52] <coldsteal> whats an alt cd?
[06:52] <coldsteal> alternitave cd
[06:52] <coldsteal> ?
[06:52] <maxamillion> corevette_: www.xubuntu.org/get
[06:53] <__Serge__> someone told me that ubuntu uses .deb instead of .exe... it's true?
[06:53] <coldsteal> whats the diff
[06:53] <coldsteal> lol __Serge__ yes
[06:53] <coldsteal> its linux
[06:53] <coldsteal> its based on debian
[06:53] <maxamillion> coldsteal: its a text based installation cd, for machines without the power for the live cd install or just for people who prefer a little more control over the installation process
[06:53] <coldsteal> exe is for windows
[06:53] <__Serge__> then how do i install programs with .exe??? like winamp??
[06:53] <coldsteal> u dont
[06:54] <coldsteal> u can do thingng like wine
[06:54] <coldsteal> but there are alternatives to windows apps
[06:54] <__Serge__> and if i compile a program in gcc... it will generate a .deb?
[06:54] <maxamillion> __Serge__: no
[06:54] <corevette_> coldsteal: when i installed ubuntu for the first time, the main cd would not boot up...so downloaded/installed using the alt cd and it worked
[06:54] <coldsteal> no
[06:54] <__Serge__> then what will happen?
[06:55] <coldsteal> u get a compiled app
[06:55] <maxamillion> __Serge__: it will generate a linux ELF binary files
[06:55] <coldsteal> lol then u can exicut it
[06:55] <maxamillion> file*
[06:55] <__Serge__> ELF?????????????
[06:55] <corevette_> coldsteal: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/6.10/release/  about halfway down (this is for edgy assuming you want that)
[06:55] <maxamillion> !elf
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about elf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <__Serge__> that's new for me... : p
[06:55] <maxamillion> bah!
[06:55] <Chili> So, I just came to the realization that I love xubuntu.
[06:56] <maxamillion> __Serge__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format
[06:56] <__Serge__> so, if i make teh famous "hello world" program in xubuntu...
[06:56] <__Serge__> i will get, for example, hello.elf?
[06:57] <maxamillion> __Serge__: no
[06:57] <coldsteal> hello.c or .o
[06:57] <coldsteal> i dont remember
[06:57] <maxamillion> __Serge__: you will just get hello
[06:57] <easye> hello all
[06:57] <maxamillion> __Serge__: and hello will be executable
[06:57] <maxamillion> easye: hello
[06:57] <__Serge__> aaahhh... i see...
[06:57] <__Serge__> ok, i got it...
[06:57] <__Serge__> another thing
[06:57] <easye> I got a problem, and Im not afraid to state it
[06:58] <__Serge__> what about xubuntu and viruses?
[06:58] <__Serge__> it is true that linux is invulnerable?
[06:58] <easye> xubuntu, the desktop has no group select feature! is this normal?
[06:58] <coldsteal> __Serge__: no thing is invulnerable
[06:58] <__Serge__> you're right
[06:58] <__Serge__> but i mean
[06:59] <coldsteal> it all depend on ur services
[06:59] <__Serge__> at least more invunerable that windows?
[06:59] <__Serge__> than
[06:59] <coldsteal> such as if u run a vunerable apache
[06:59] <coldsteal> hell ya it way more secure than windows
[06:59] <easye> you can hit the weak point for massive damage
[06:59] <__Serge__> the question is: if i use xubuntu, do i need an antivirus?
[06:59] <maxamillion> __Serge__: no, you don't
[07:00] <coldsteal> nno proby not
[07:00] <__Serge__> really???
[07:00] <__Serge__> coooool!!
[07:00] <coldsteal> i dont have it on any machines
[07:00] <maxamillion> __Serge__: you might want a firewall, but you just install "firestarter" from synaptic
[07:00] <coldsteal> u can if u want tho
[07:00] <easye> all you need, is to make fun of people who run windows, thats the only real maintenence
[07:00] <maxamillion> easye: lol
[07:00] <__Serge__> LOL... : p
[07:01] <easye> have you guys seen this planet earth show
[07:01] <__Serge__> but u said linux is not invulnerable... then, there are viruses that can affect it?
[07:01] <maxamillion> well that and you have to install beryl or compiz if atleast for nothing else to make the Vista noobs realize how old and unoriginal their $400 OS is
[07:01] <easye> its on discovery channel right now, and its freaking awesome
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> !virus | __Serge__
[07:01] <ubotu> __Serge__: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[07:01] <maxamillion> __Serge__: no, nobody writes viruses for it
[07:01] <coldsteal> http://vfat.org/~tmp/full-network.html
[07:01] <coldsteal> look at that __Serge__
[07:02] <__Serge__> okay
[07:02] <coldsteal> thats my internal network
[07:02] <maxamillion> __Serge__: vulnerability isn't about viruses explicitly, it generally has more to do with hackers
[07:02] <__Serge__> ahhh... hackers, yeah...
[07:02] <coldsteal> 192.168.1.3 is freebsd
[07:02] <maxamillion> coldsteal: nice! :)
[07:02] <__Serge__> but i don't care if someone looks my HD...
[07:02] <livinded> them evil hackers are the cause of all out problems
[07:02] <maxamillion> __Serge__: yeah, me either ... i don't have anything that important
[07:02] <easye> for anyone who uses xubuntu: does the desktop normally have a group select feature? Because I can only click on single objects on the desktop
[07:02] <coldsteal> lol yes livinded
[07:03] <__Serge__> so, i only need a firewall then..
[07:03] <__Serge__> and not an antivirus
[07:03] <coldsteal> ya
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> easye: ctrl-click?
[07:03] <__Serge__> right?
[07:03] <coldsteal> basickly
[07:03] <Pumpernickel> easye: It's kind of limited that way.
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> !firewall | __Serge__
[07:03] <ubotu> __Serge__: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:03] <maxamillion> easye: you can select more than 1 with shift or ctrl keys ... but not click and drag with the mouse
[07:03] <coldsteal> or u can use shorewall
[07:03] <coldsteal> i like shorewall
[07:03] <livinded> maxamillion and __Serge__ I hate to break it to you, but I don't think hackers are interested in your kiddy pr0n they care more about using your boxes as proxies, storage, or to launch attacks
[07:03] <easye> hmm.. is that a resource saving feature of XFCE?
[07:04] <__Serge__> shorewall? whats that?
[07:04] <easye> thanks though, I keep thinking Its broken.
[07:04] <coldsteal> its a front end to iptales
[07:04] <coldsteal> *iptables
[07:04] <Pumpernickel> livinded: Yeh.  The real profitability in hacks is advertisment or revenue generation through phishing.
[07:05] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: sorry ... i just kicked him
[07:05] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: That's okay - I just got here, so I dunno what he's been doing.
[07:05] <coldsteal> maxamillion: y did u kick him?
[07:05] <__Serge__> but what is a shorewall?
[07:05] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: he should be back, i didn't ban ... just don't like the talk or incinuation of kiddy port on users hard drives
[07:06] <maxamillion> __Serge__: you should google it :)
[07:06] <Chili> Argh, rhythmbox isn't recognizing my external with all my music on it, any ideas on how to solve?
[07:06] <__Serge__> lol... ok...
[07:06] <__Serge__> so, finally
[07:06] <__Serge__> if i use xubuntu
[07:06] <__Serge__> i don't need antivirus nor firewall?
[07:06] <__Serge__> (firewall is included... right?
[07:06] <maxamillion> __Serge__: firewalls i recommend, antivirus would be pointless
[07:06] <coldsteal> atleast have a firewall
[07:06] <__Serge__> )
[07:06] <livinded> __Serge__: you don't need an anti-virus or firewall on windows either
[07:07] <__Serge__> ok, which firewall 4 xubuntu do u recommend?
[07:07] <coldsteal> ya most of my boxes dont evan have x
[07:07] <livinded> iptables
[07:07] <maxamillion> __Serge__: technically, yes it is installed but not configured ... i recommend installing "firestarter", its a gui for configuring the iptables
[07:07] <__Serge__> what is iptables???
[07:07] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: Yeh.  We're not here to promote illegitimate or illegal uses of Xubuntu.
[07:07] <livinded> a firewall...
[07:07] <Pumpernickel> Or, really, any OS in general.
[07:07] <__Serge__> (sorry, im a newbie... : )
[07:08] <coldsteal> __Serge__: wikipedia teatches allot so does google
[07:08] <livinded> so do man pages...
[07:08] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: ;)
[07:08] <__Serge__> lol... ok, i'll investigate...
[07:08] <coldsteal> yes "man cmd"
[07:08] <Chili> Any idea how to get rhythmbox to recognize my external?
[07:08] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: did you hear that jim had a dream you hacked his file server?
[07:09] <Pumpernickel> uh, no....
[07:09] <Pumpernickel> I didn't, anyway, so that's cool.
[07:09] <Pumpernickel> What happened, though?
[07:10] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: apparently you owned his file server in his dream and then he woke up in his dream and checked his logs and there were traces of you owning it .... he said it freaked him out when he actually woke up
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> wow
[07:11] <x2180[laptop] > O.o
[07:11] <maxamillion> yeah ... thought it was funny myself
[07:11] <x2180[laptop] > was it a windows box?
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> Yeh, hacking isn't really my thing.
[07:12] <Pumpernickel> I don't have the attention span for it.
[07:12] <Pumpernickel> (It takes a lot of effort to hack a Linux box of any variety, unless it's a honeypot.)
[07:12] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: lol, me either .... actually my attention span problem is more or less why i learned python ... quick code and boom, you're off to doing constructive things :)
[07:13] <maxamillion> that and i'm generally lazy
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> heh, that's why I learned Bash :D
[07:13] <x2180[laptop] > hah
[07:13] <livinded> Pumpernickel: not really, is depends on what you want to do, and how much access you have, how it's configured, and if it's admin has any sense of security
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> A couple lines of script and I've just earned my pay for the day. :)
[07:13] <maxamillion> bash is good to automate tasks, but i don't do much more with it then that
[07:13] <maxamillion> lol
[07:13] <Pumpernickel> livinded: True... but I work as a web dude, so my requirements from scripting are fairly simple.
[07:13] <maxamillion> yeah my boss is in the process of learning perl so he can ultimately be lazy
[07:13] <easye> new question: where can i change the keyboard map settings. I checked all the obvious places, but the quote key is messed up
[07:14] <livinded> Pumpernickel: I was talking about the hacking, not scripting
[07:14] <easye> basically, I have to hit the quote key twice for it to display a character
[07:14] <maxamillion> !keyboard | easye
[07:14] <ubotu> easye: To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[07:14] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[07:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:14] <easye> thanks
[07:14] <Pumpernickel> livinded: That's a completely different league.  For hacking... it would take me a couple weeks, at least, to get going, and I wouldn't even want to start.
[07:15] <livinded> Pumpernickel: you're a web guy, I assume you realize how simple some web attacks can be
[07:15] <Pumpernickel> It's too economically unviable for someone in a developped country.  A couple lawsuits or three, and you're undone for life.
[07:15] <x2180[laptop] > as if people get sued or hacking
[07:15] <x2180[laptop] > well maybe when they do something insanely stupid, but still
[07:16] <Pumpernickel> livinded: Yeh.  Mostly SQL injection, which isn't my job, but yeh.. I know how dangerous offering various internet services can be.
[07:16] <livinded> x2180[laptop] : you don't get sued, you get 4chan party vaned
[07:16] <maxamillion> there's more money in being constructive than there is in being destructive ...
[07:16] <x2180[laptop] > lol
[07:16] <x2180[laptop] > there's money in both actually
[07:16] <livinded> maxamillion: I don't know pentesting and consultation can bring in quite a bit of money
[07:16] <x2180[laptop] > otherwise nobody would do neither
[07:16] <maxamillion> and as soon as i get out of college i am looking to make money :)
[07:17] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: Exactly.  It's easier to help my Uni than to hack some random corporation with lawyers on the payroll.
[07:17] <easye> what does this mean  !keyboard
[07:17] <Chili> So I thought I grabbed all the codecs that I needed...evidentally not...my vlc player has no sound and with avi's no video, where can I grab those codecs?
[07:17] <Pumpernickel> Chili: Depends on the codecs.  What's the format?
[07:17] <maxamillion> livinded: yeah, actually that is very true now that you mention it ... there was a guy who came and did a presentation in one of my classes about digital forensics .... dude made $450k a year
[07:17] <__Serge__> i almost forgot
[07:18] <Chili> Um, mp3, avi, wmv
[07:18] <Chili> So on and so forth.
[07:18] <Chili> Rhythmbox doesn't seem to be working either.
[07:18] <__Serge__> if a have 2 OS on one computer: can i access ALL the files with each one?
[07:18] <x2180[laptop] > Chili: install win32codecs
[07:18] <__Serge__> or each other files?
[07:18] <maxamillion> easye: the '!' tells the bot i am talking to it and keyboard says "i want the info related to 'keyboard'" and | <username>" means "tell <username> the info"
[07:18] <livinded> as a programmer you'd be lucky to land a job making over $100k/year
[07:18] <easye> thanks. oh, its an irc command. gotcha
[07:18] <easye> !keyboard
[07:18] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[07:19] <__Serge__> ?
[07:19] <__Serge__> if a have 2 OS on one computer: can i access ALL the files on the HD with each one?
[07:19] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: Forensics is a wicked job if you can get into it.  Governments pay typical governmetn inflated amounts of money for data, if you have the skills to get it.
[07:19] <__Serge__> or each other files?
[07:19] <maxamillion> __Serge__: access? .. yes, you will need to install an application on windows to access the files on linux and on linux you can access the files on windows you will need to install extra software to be able to manipulate the files on windows
[07:19] <easye> neato
[07:19] <Pumpernickel> s/governmetn/government/
[07:19] <x2180[laptop] > __Serge__: yeah
[07:19] <__Serge__> but how?
[07:19] <x2180[laptop] > it's easier to do from linux than it is from windows, if that's what you're using
[07:20] <__Serge__> yeah, i'll have winXP and xubuntu
[07:20] <x2180[laptop] > if you're in linux, just mount your windows partition
[07:20] <livinded> x2180[laptop] : not really, as long as you're using ext2 or 3 it's no more difficult on windows than on linux
[07:20] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: my university has a really good digital forensics department, but i looked at the course plan and its too much cyber law and now enough coding ... so i am going to shoot for a masters in comp sci instead of df
[07:20] <livinded> all you do is grab the driver and install
[07:20] <x2180[laptop] > livinded: in linux, it's just a mount command
[07:20] <x2180[laptop] > in windows, you have to install a driver first
[07:20] <x2180[laptop] > 1 step is easier than 2, heh
[07:21] <livinded> x2180[laptop] : assuming you have ntfs support enabled
[07:21] <__Serge__> ok.
[07:21] <__Serge__> : )
[07:21] <maxamillion> well ... now we are getting into "how do we define 'ease'"
[07:21] <x2180[laptop] > heh
[07:21] <maxamillion> livinded: xubuntu has it enabled by default
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: That's a good choice.  If you focus too much on the law aspect, you're likely to end up doing very little computer time, which isn't very fun in itself.
[07:22] <Pumpernickel> Better to be the guy solving all the technical problems.  It's more entertaining. :)
[07:22] <x2180[laptop] > i'm progressively losing faith in the computer science major :(
[07:22] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: yeah, i heard the presentation from that guy and was like "i wanna make that kind of money" and then read the course plan for the masters and i kinda thought to myself i would rather not
[07:22] <easye> yayyy... this IRC channels solves all my problems real quicklike
[07:22] <maxamillion> x2180[laptop] : how so?
[07:22] <maxamillion> easye: we try :)
[07:23] <x2180[laptop] > maxamillion: because, i've met a lot of people with the degree and they don't know anything
[07:23] <easye> i didn't even know gaim had IRC support built-in. this is much easier
[07:23] <x2180[laptop] > like, seriously.. they've never heard of anything other than c# and .net and whatnot
[07:23] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: Plus, if you learn the technical aspects, you can work in any legal jurisdiction. :)
[07:24] <livinded> easye: shhhh, you can't use gaim anymore, it's called pidgin
[07:24] <easye> oh yea, so funny
[07:24] <easye> and so dumb
[07:24] <x2180[laptop] > lol, speaking of legal stuffs :P
[07:24] <Pumpernickel> Legal trademark issues.
[07:24] <easye> seriously though, everyone should watch planet earth on the discovery channel right now
[07:25] <Pumpernickel> AIM has to guard their trademark on the 'AIM' name, otherwise they lose any legal claim on it.
[07:25] <livinded> I really wish I applied to work on reversing myspace im for pigdin in SoC
[07:25] <x2180[laptop] > planet earth is awesome
[07:25] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: yeah .. legal jargan can be learned later, technical experience is something i would rather not pass up
[07:25] <x2180[laptop] > aim needs to fold.. they're no longer needed
[07:26] <x2180[laptop] > nobody uses dial up anymore, especially for what they charge
[07:26] <maxamillion> x2180[laptop] : you mean AOL?
[07:26] <x2180[laptop] > yeah, heh
[07:26] <Chili> Well, I'm not sure if you can give this out, but I've been looking all over for the win32 codecs, can't find them on google, you guys know where they are?
[07:26] <maxamillion> what people need to realize is that jabber has already successfully bridged all networks, but nobody is using it
[07:26] <livinded> x2180[laptop] : plenty of people use dialup
[07:26] <Pumpernickel> !w32codecs
[07:26] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:26] <Pumpernickel> Chili: ^^
[07:26] <maxamillion> :)
[07:27] <Chili> Thanks.
[07:27] <x2180[laptop] > livinded: yes, but not for like $30
[07:27] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[07:27] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:27] <maxamillion> i like to reward to bot when it has done well
[07:27] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: If you have both, though, corporations like IBM will be begging you for your time.  Begging, as in paying, of course.
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> x2180[laptop] : Yeah, they do
[07:27] <x2180[laptop] > why?
[07:27] <Pumpernickel> And that is a very profitable and interesting job. :)
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> x2180[laptop] : Because not everywhere has cheap broadband
[07:28] <x2180[laptop] > tonyyarusso: why would anyone pay more than like $10 for dialup though?
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> x2180[laptop] : Because they want internet access?
[07:29] <x2180[laptop] > so, they don't need to pay more for one ISP when others are cheaper?
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Not everywhere gets a choice.
[07:29] <x2180[laptop] > you have a lot of choices with dialup though
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Depends where you are.
[07:29] <x2180[laptop] > moreso than broadband obviously
[07:29] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: oh yeah .... my real goal is to one day find myself in a position to get a job offer from google, but that will never happen ... they draft top graduates and phd's from the top universities on the globe ... and i'm neither and not at a top uni, i slacked in high school and i'm too lazy for the work load of places like that
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Not everywhere even has one choice for dialup at all.
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> There are, believe it or not, un-internetified households and countries.
[07:30] <x2180[laptop] > tonyyarusso: that's still not enough to finance aol
[07:30] <x2180[laptop] > and i know that internet access is limited, i wasn't born yesterday
[07:31] <x2180[laptop] > but my point was that aol charges like $30 no matter what for dialup access
[07:31] <Chili> Alright, I hate to say this, but I have no idea how to install any of these codecs....you have to add a repository source, I have no idea how to do that.
[07:31] <x2180[laptop] > even when there's dialup competitors in the same area
[07:31] <x2180[laptop] > that are like $10
[07:31] <x2180[laptop] > or whatever
[07:31] <Pumpernickel> maxamillion: Yeh, same here.  I plan on finding unique, low-level programming jobs with specific requirements.  The kind of thing that actually hasn't been done before... there's surprisingly little of that.
[07:32] <Pumpernickel> Most programming problems have been solved for at least 40-50 years. >_<
[07:32] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: oh yeah ... i agree, i figure i will end up coding java for a living
[07:32] <Chili> Can anyone help me out on how to add a repository source?
[07:32] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: for some reason, businesses want java apps .... so i will do it for them and then code python for fun .... or just code python in jython and compile down to a .jar and make money for fun :)
[07:33] <livinded> Pumpernickel: except for the fact that the world is filled with lots of bad programmers
[07:33] <x2180[laptop] > somebody should mix java and flash.. and call it flava
[07:33] <maxamillion> x2180[laptop] : lol ... accept adobe would never let anyone near it .... its not going to be available in the feisty repos because of the new license
[07:34] <x2180[laptop] > heh
[07:34] <x2180[laptop] > it'd still be cool to have a programming language called 'flava'
[07:34] <maxamillion> lol
[07:34] <maxamillion> x2180[laptop] : i'll make one up for ya ;)
[07:35] <x2180[laptop] > or name it after condiments
[07:35] <x2180[laptop] > like 'ketchup and mustard'
[07:35] <maxamillion> x2180[laptop] : i am taking a compiler theory class this semester, i could even write a compiler for ya ... or an interpreter if you prefer
[07:35] <livinded> meh, not having flash included in the repos isn't a big loss
[07:35] <x2180[laptop] > hehe
[07:35] <x2180[laptop] > livinded: seriously
[07:35] <livinded> most flash content isn't worth having anyways
[07:35] <Pumpernickel> livinded: Oooooh, yeah.  www.thedailywtf.com has an unlimited supply of 'how not tos'. :-)
[07:35] <x2180[laptop] > maxamillion: heh, obviously :P
[07:36] <maxamillion> livinded: flash does annoy me ... i use gnash though
[07:36] <maxamillion> livinded: just for basic use of sites that have something worthwhile
[07:36] <livinded> I think I have flash player 9 installed
[07:37] <livinded> I remember grabbing the rpm when adobe released it but I don't remember if I ever installed it
[07:37] <Chili> So, I fix one problem, only to have my sound break.
[07:38] <maxamillion> Chili: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#General_Notes <--scroll down to "Installing Additional Software", it will tell you how to add repors
[07:38] <maxamillion> repositories*
[08:32] <McBeardy> what is the hotkey to send a program to another desktop?
[08:32] <McBeardy> !hotkey
[08:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <maxamillion> McBeardy: not sure .. never tried such a thing
[08:36] <McBeardy> ah
[08:36] <McBeardy> right clicking on the program on the kicker works
[08:56] <coldsteal> so if i install a text based system
[08:56] <coldsteal> can i just do aptitude install xfce-base
[09:09] <Chili> Has anyone had any luck getting a Soundblaster Live! card working with xubuntu?
[09:10] <crimsun> sure, what's the issue?
[09:11] <Chili> Well, I've made sure everything is turned up, everything is unmuted, I've went through all the guides I could find, but nothing.
[09:11] <crimsun> pastebin the requested info from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems , then tell me the url
[09:12] <Chili> kk, sec
[09:14] <coldsteal> so if i install a text based system can i just do aptitude install xfce-base
[09:14] <Chili> Crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14675/
[09:17] <hyper_ch> hiho
[09:17] <Chili> crimsun: will that work?
[09:17] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: what are you trying to do?
[09:18] <coldsteal> im installing xubuntu with out a gui
[09:18] <coldsteal> from the alt cd
[09:18] <crimsun> Chili: yes, give me a sec, please
[09:19] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: use the server cd
[09:19] <Chili> kk
[09:19] <coldsteal> im doing the "text based system"
[09:19] <coldsteal> hyper_ch: why the server cd
[09:19] <hyper_ch> even text instayll will add the gui...
[09:19] <coldsteal> really
[09:19] <hyper_ch> because that one does not install the gui
[09:19] <coldsteal> lol wtf
[09:20] <hyper_ch> text install on alternate is not the fancy graphics you get on the live cd but it's still "graphical"
[09:20] <crimsun> Chili: that's simple.  echo options snd-intel8x0 index=-2 |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:20] <hyper_ch> the alternate installs normally better than the desktop one
[09:20] <coldsteal> ya its with ncurses
[09:21] <hyper_ch> but why do you want *buntu but without gui?
[09:21] <coldsteal> so with the alt cd is there a server option
[09:21] <hyper_ch> no
[09:21] <coldsteal> well its cuz my lapto sucks ass
[09:21] <coldsteal> and i need to bypass the whole gui install
[09:21] <coldsteal> and i would like just xfce base or something
[09:21] <hyper_ch> in the end you do want a gui?
[09:22] <coldsteal> yes
[09:22] <crimsun> just install x-window-system-core and xfce4
[09:22] <hyper_ch> well, 64mb ram are needed to run xubuntu with its default gui
[09:22] <crimsun> (you'll need universe enabled)
[09:22] <hyper_ch> 128 at least recommended
[09:22] <hyper_ch> or you could try ubuntulite
[09:22] <coldsteal> well its just for the install
[09:23] <coldsteal> whats ubuntutulite
[09:23] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: if you don't want xubuntu-desktop then you have to use the server cd
[09:23] <hyper_ch> it's an unoffical branch yet
[09:23] <hyper_ch> let me get the thread
[09:23] <coldsteal> i want a gui im just saying for install
[09:24] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: then you can use the alternate install :)
[09:24] <coldsteal> what does the "text base install" do
[09:24] <crimsun> it installs ubuntu-minimal.
[09:24] <coldsteal> sweet
[09:24] <coldsteal> so what wont it have lol
[09:25] <hyper_ch> coldsteal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98233
[09:25] <crimsun> (ubuntu-minimal is common for all of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Ichthux, Ubuntu Server, ...)
[09:25] <hyper_ch> finally: 122942324736 bytes (123 GB) copied, 58154 seconds, 2.1 MB/s
[09:26] <coldsteal> it still installs a gui tho
[09:27] <crimsun> ubuntu-minimal doesn't.
[09:28] <Chili> crimsun: brb
[09:28] <coldsteal> ok
[09:28] <coldsteal> and once i get that i can just aptitude what ever i want
[09:28] <coldsteal> like a gui
[09:29] <crimsun> yes, I listed the two metapackages above
[09:30] <coldsteal> can i install ubuntu like you would do gentoo
[09:30] <coldsteal> as in from a live cd
[09:30] <posingaspopular> coldsteal: yes
[09:30] <crimsun> sure, use the desktop cd
[09:30] <coldsteal> i cant get the desktop cd to work
[09:31] <coldsteal> im in a diff cd right now
[09:31] <coldsteal> im in knoppix
[09:31] <Chili> crimsun: okay, back.
[09:32] <posingaspopular> coldsteal: download the .iso for the alternate cd, i have a whole pack of cds sent to me via shipit to install ubuntu,or in case i need an OS quickly and i dont have time for an install
[09:33] <coldsteal> ya i have the iso
[09:33] <coldsteal> whats ur point ik i have to burn it
[09:33] <coldsteal> but i dont have cds
[09:33] <coldsteal> and im not going to buy one
[09:33] <coldsteal> so can i do like a stage 3
[09:34] <posingaspopular> coldsteal: there is a way to install ubuntu from an OS, but i think the software is beta and its for windows.... what is a stage 3?
[09:34] <coldsteal> its for gentoo
[09:34] <coldsteal> u download 2 files
[09:35] <coldsteal> and u compile ur kernel
[09:36] <posingaspopular> coldsteal: i dont think so, that would be a nice feature though
[09:37] <coldsteal> well all i need is like /
[09:37] <coldsteal> and then grab the current kernel that the cd installs
[09:37] <coldsteal> and install grub
[09:38] <coldsteal> and aptitude
[09:38] <coldsteal> lol maybe ill just rsync this laptop with my other install
[09:38] <hyper_ch> !install
[09:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[09:39] <coldsteal> y r those ssh?
[09:39] <coldsteal> *ssl
[09:40] <hyper_ch> why not
[09:41] <coldsteal> lol idk
[09:41] <coldsteal> lol exactly what i need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix
[09:43] <Chili> crimsun: I hate to push you or anything, but its late and I need to hit the hay soon, how long will this take?
[09:43] <crimsun> Chili: didn't you make the change I told you to?
[09:43] <coldsteal> me?
[09:44] <crimsun> coldsteal: notice to whom I addressed it.
[09:44] <coldsteal> lol o
[09:45] <Chili> crimsun: I saw no changes.
[09:45] <Chili> crimsun: I rebooted at one point, but I said brb, maybe you told me during that? O.o
[09:48] <crimsun> Chili: did you execute this?  ->  03:20 < crimsun> Chili: that's simple.  echo options snd-intel8x0 index=-2 |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:49] <Chili> crimsun: No.
[09:49] <crimsun> ...
[09:49] <crimsun> Chili: that was a full 8 minutes before you said "brb", BTW
[09:50] <Chili> crimsun: Oh! Found it! hold on.
[09:51] <hyper_ch> so, 2 encrpyted drives setup :)
[09:52] <Chili> crimsun: Hmm, that didn't seem to work.
[09:52] <crimsun> Chili: have you rebooted after executing the "echo ..." command?
[09:53] <crimsun> Chili: note the entire command continues through "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base"
[09:53] <tripppy> linux-mce possible on xubuntu 6.10?
[09:53] <Chili>  echo options snd-intel8x0 index=-2 |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base correct?
[09:53] <crimsun> Chili: correct
[09:53] <Chili> Crimsun: let me reboot.
[09:53] <crimsun> tripppy: with some legwork, sure
[09:54] <tripppy> is there a linux-mce etxisting build with ubuntu? on a DVD?
[09:55] <posingaspopular> tripppy: what is mce?
[09:55] <tripppy> mediacentreedition
[09:56] <posingaspopular> no clue what that means
[09:57] <Chili> Crimsun: I'm going to go ahead and bow down before you if thats okay?
[09:57] <crimsun> no need, just go to sleep
[09:57] <Chili> crimsun: haha, thanks, goodnight.
[09:57] <hyper_ch> tripppy: why should there be one?
[09:58] <Chili> crimsun: btw, I might be back tommorow so you can help me set up some of my video drivers O.o
[09:58] <Chili> and codecs
[09:58] <hyper_ch> !restricted | Chili
[09:58] <ubotu> Chili: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:59] <hyper_ch> Chili: or use vlc... that can play almost anything
[10:00] <coldsteal> is there a way i can reload the partitopn tabe without rebooting
[10:02] <crimsun> not safely - i.e., without possible data loss
[10:02] <crimsun> if you've changed it, that is
[10:03] <coldsteal> it a fresh partition
[10:03] <coldsteal> 1 hdd
[10:03] <coldsteal> its hda
[10:03] <coldsteal> i wiped it
[10:04] <coldsteal> and created a swap and linux partiton
[10:04] <coldsteal> #82 and #83
[10:05] <coldsteal> crimsun: so could you help me?
[10:06] <crimsun> coldsteal: with what do you need assistance?
[10:06] <coldsteal> reloaing the partition table
[10:06] <crimsun> why do you need to reload it?
[10:07] <crimsun> whatever's necessary will be done by the partitioner in the installer
[10:07] <coldsteal> fdisk
[10:07] <coldsteal> and i cant mount the new partition
[10:07] <coldsteal> mount thinks its still swap
[10:07] <crimsun> of course you can't mount it yet if you haven't created a filesystem type
[10:07] <crimsun> aka "formatting" in the DOS/Windows sense
[10:08] <coldsteal> i need to do mkfss.ext3
[10:08] <coldsteal> id how to do ext3 with fdisk
[10:08] <crimsun> that would be best - or just use the installer
[10:08] <crimsun> you don't do anything with a filesystem type in fdisk
[10:09] <coldsteal> okay so how can i format it
[10:09] <coldsteal> without mounting it
[10:09] <coldsteal> cuz i cant mount it
[10:09] <crimsun> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda# , where # is the partition number
[10:10] <coldsteal> ok
[10:12] <coldsteal> it thinks its mounted
[10:14] <coldsteal> brb ill just reboot
[10:31] <khvn> yo everybody
[10:31] <khvn> i'm using nvidia beta drivers+beryl on my ubuntu
[10:31] <khvn> (strangely enough it works amazing even with ye olde geforce2 of mine:)
[10:31] <khvn> i've got a problem running fullscreen gl applications (or even any fullscreen applications) when beryl is on
[10:31] <khvn> i've tried xlaunch (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-483004-start-150-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html), followed all the steps described in the first post there, but it doesn't work
[10:31] <khvn> is anything in this script needs to be changed specificly for xubuntu?
[11:16] <lerox> cd rom can't eject
[11:34] <coldsteal> how do i find my driver for my disk drive
[11:36] <coldsteal> how do i find the driver for my disk drive?
[12:32] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: online?
[12:48] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[12:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:49] <coldsteal> !install
[12:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[12:49] <coldsteal> lol thats for me
[12:49] <coldsteal> dam ubuntu wont install
[12:49] <coldsteal> it freezes at pci
[12:49] <coldsteal> im using alt cd
[12:56] <coldsteal> has anyone here done the bootstrap
[01:21] <hyper_ch> !patch
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <schlumpf-> hi im just wondering about the command nohup and the possible arguments
[01:39] <hyper_ch> schlumpf-: use man
[01:39] <schlumpf-> under nohup --help he doesent tell me any
[01:39] <coldsteal> kubuntu freezes at "Setting up standard PCI resource"
[01:39] <coldsteal> *xubuntu
[01:39] <hyper_ch> schlumpf-: man nohup
[01:40] <schlumpf-> its the same as nohup --help
[01:40] <hyper_ch> it's not
[01:40] <schlumpf-> still no possible arguments
[01:40] <hyper_ch> then there aren't any
[01:41] <schlumpf-> he keeps telling me that
[01:41] <schlumpf-> your  shell  may  have  its  own version of nohup, which usually
[01:41] <schlumpf->        supersedes the version described here.  Please refer  to  your  shells
[01:41] <schlumpf->        documentation for details about the options it supports.
[01:41] <schlumpf-> i dont even know what shell i have
[01:42] <schlumpf-> nor what that exactly is
[01:42] <schlumpf-> :)
[01:42] <hyper_ch> !shell
[01:42] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:45] <grazie>  schlumpf- you've probably got bash by default. In a terminal enter 'echo $SHELL'
[02:07] <coldsteal> anyone there
[02:07] <coldsteal> *can anyone help
[02:07] <coldsteal> xubuntu freezes at "Setting up standard PCI resource"
[02:11] <grazie> coldsteal: does your machine work ok with any other os?
[02:11] <coldsteal> yes
[02:11] <coldsteal> slackware
[02:11] <coldsteal> slackware always works
[02:12] <grazie> which version of xubuntu?
[02:12] <coldsteal> 6.10
[02:14] <grazie> I never heard of this problem before. Is there anything special about your hardware?
[02:14] <coldsteal> its old
[02:14] <coldsteal> its like 700mhz
[02:15] <coldsteal> and a laptop
[02:16] <coldsteal> can i pass the installer a flag so it doesnt probe cpi
[02:16] <coldsteal> *pci
[02:17] <mamb1> I get this message when trying to use clamtkUnable to view ClamAV's information file.
[02:17] <mamb1> This will affect
[02:17] <mamb1> how ClamTk views the number of viruses and version information.
[02:17] <grazie> i doubt it, but have a look at the following link
[02:17] <grazie> !boot
[02:17] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:17] <coldsteal> ok
[02:18] <coldsteal> for grub what would i do for hda2
[02:18] <coldsteal> hd0,1?
[02:21] <coldsteal> !grub
[02:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:22] <mamb1> Sorry about that pasted error message did not intend to send immediately:)
[02:22] <grazie> coldsteal: yes, but I don't follow. Grub is working already isn't it?
[02:23] <coldsteal> grazie: ik its for something else
[02:23] <grazie> ok
[02:23] <coldsteal> idk i need to stop it from probing pci
[02:23] <coldsteal> i dont see how
[02:27] <grazie> coldsteal: have you tried acpi=nopci ?
[02:28] <coldsteal> no
[02:28] <coldsteal> i didnt see it in f1
[02:31] <grazie> coldsteal: have you tried  just nopci ?
[02:31] <coldsteal> no i didnt know that was a fag
[02:31] <grazie> not sure it works for kernels
[02:32] <grazie> all kernels*
[02:32] <mamb1> When trying to use clamtk I get the following error message ## Unable to view clamavs information file ### now there is nothing wrong with the information file etc as using clamav in console mode works fine. So I guess it must be a problem with the perl script (I'm no good at perl but I don't see anything blindingly obvious). Should there be some sort of config file associated with the script?
[02:38] <mamb1> I recognize your problem uboto and it can be a bit nasty. Windows and linux installers for that matter have a nasty habit of writing over the mbr at the end of the install (ie when you weren't looking).
[03:34] <superkirbyartist> If you put OpenOffice.Org on a live CD and you use it on Pentium MMX 266mhz with 172MB RAM and 172MB Swap then it will run very smoothly.
[03:38] <superkirbyartist> The party is at http://www.stepmania.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2690
[03:46] <Casio_> hi, someone here ?
[03:46] <Casio_> ;)
[03:47] <superkirbyartist> Pauvre Casio_
[03:56] <Maximilian1st> Did he wait a long time before leaving?
[03:56] <Casio_> hi
[03:57] <Casio_> i have a xubuntu pb, someone can help me ? ;)*
[03:57] <Maximilian1st> So, you are still here?
[03:57] <Casio_> yep
[03:57] <Casio_> sorry, poor english... Frenchman
[03:57] <Maximilian1st> we were hiding in the hope you would leave in pity...
[03:57] <Maximilian1st> pas de prob
[03:57] <Casio_> :)
[03:57] <Casio_> fr ou us ?
[03:57] <Maximilian1st> ubuntu french cahnnel?
[03:58] <Maximilian1st> #ubuntu-fr
[03:58] <Maximilian1st> is there one?
[03:58] <Casio_> nobody on
[03:58] <Casio_> snif
[03:58] <Casio_> yes, but nobody on it
[03:59] <Maximilian1st> plenty of people on it!!!!!!!!!!
[03:59] <Casio_> yes but no one reading :)
[04:00] <Maximilian1st> You are not in the #ubuntu-fr channel how can you tell?
[04:01] <Maximilian1st> try joining there first
[04:01] <Casio_> im on, check :)
[04:01] <Maximilian1st> with the same nick?
[04:01] <Maximilian1st> #ubuntu-fr
[04:02] <Casio_> yes
[04:02] <Maximilian1st> there are 160 persons in #ubuntu-fr and you are not part of it
[04:02] <Casio_> now yes
[04:02] <Casio_> i was on xubuntu-fr
[04:02] <Casio_> not ubuntu-fr
[04:02] <Casio_> now, its done..thx
[04:08] <j1mc> Hi All.
[04:08] <j1mc> the RC is set to be released this Thursday, the 12th, but I am going to be travelling for work from the evening of the 10th through the evening of the 12th.  That really is crunch time for testing ISO's.
[05:33] <bts3685> anyone know what config file to edit to make fluxbox the default desktop instead of xfce?
[05:34] <maxamillion> bts3685: you don't edit a config file, just select fluxbox from the "sessions" menu at the login screen and when you login it will ask if you want to make it default or just use it for the current session
[05:34] <bts3685> what login manager does it use? xdm?
[05:34] <maxamillion> bts3685: gdm
[05:34] <bts3685> see, i'm trying to get rid of xfce completely, so i want to make sure it's a totally clean removal
[05:35] <maxamillion> bts3685: gdm has nothing to do with xfce
[05:35] <bts3685> i know, but i figured i'd remove the xfce entry
[05:36] <maxamillion> bts3685: there are many files to "get rid of it" but if you do a "sudo aptitude purge xfce4" it should remove it from the gdm menu for you
[05:38] <bts3685> oh! wonderful. (i'm doing this for a client- i use gentoo personally so i'm not used to this "automation" business)   thank you so much for your help, maxamillion!
[05:40] <maxamillion> bts3685: lol, no worries ... anytime :)
[05:41] <maxamillion> bts3685: i repsect gentoo, but i'm too lazy for it ;)
[05:41] <bts3685> maxamillion: TOTALLY understood. i don't blame you. ; )
[05:42] <j1mc> maxamillion: the RC is set to be released on the 12th, but i am travelling for work from the evening of the 10th through the 12th.
[05:43] <maxamillion> j1mc: ouch ... ok, what needs doing? ... anything i can make sure that gets done?
[05:44] <j1mc> i may need help assigning people to test cases.
[05:44] <maxamillion> bts3685: yeah, i have actually run gentoo because i read so much hype about it and i will say this "it is a very respectable, solid distro with stellar documentation ... but it requires some patience (mainly for compile time)"
[05:44] <j1mc> maxamillion: my last comment was directed to you, sorry for not noting it.
[05:45] <bts3685> maxamillion: definitely. i just ssh in from work or class and run an emerge update and that way it's ready for me when i get home. :D
[05:45] <maxamillion> j1mc: no worries .... i got it, uhmmmm.... ok, we still need a wiki entry for that or is it done?
[05:45] <hyper_ch> j1mc: what kind of test cases?
[05:46] <maxamillion> bts3685: yeah, i am actually in the market for a mobile device with wifi, wep/wpa/wpa2 support, a vpn client, and a ssh client for remote administration while i am on campus
[05:46] <bts3685> maxamillion: i've heard someone hacking the moto razr, actually, and putting in a java ssh client. not exactly what you're looking for, though. ; )
[05:47] <j1mc> hyper_ch: see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394539
[05:47] <bts3685> maxamillion: my coworkers have treos and they hate them. one of the other guys has one and loves it but the name escapes me right now
[05:47] <maxamillion> bts3685: no :( ... i dunno, i am kinda juggling between a palm T|X and the nokia n800 (neither of which fully meet my expectations "out of box" but might be able to get there)
[05:48] <j1mc> maxamillion: the wiki page is done, and is working.  check the link above for a link to the wiki page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394539
[05:48] <bts3685> i thought herd6 was canceled?
[05:48] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh ok ... awesome
[05:48] <j1mc> i've only gotten two responses to it, though.  both of them are included in the wiki page.
[05:48] <maxamillion> j1mc: rgr
[05:48] <j1mc> bts3685: yes, herd 6 was cancelled.
[05:49] <hyper_ch> j1mc: can this be done in a vm?
[05:49] <j1mc> bts3685: the RC is set for this thursday, though.
[05:49] <maxamillion> ok, i _really_ have to run ... i have class in roughly 5 minutes accross campus
[05:49] <j1mc> hyper_ch: yes, but preferred no.
[05:49] <j1mc> maxamillion: ok, ttyl
[05:49] <maxamillion> laters
[05:49] <j1mc> maxamillion: i'll email you
[05:49] <max_at_class> j1mc: ok, awesome ... i'll check it after class
[05:49] <bts3685> j1mc: only in the *nix community can you have a release for a canceled project. :D
[05:49] <max_at_class> j1mc: email the -devel list to see if anyone else will join in to help out
[05:49] <max_at_class> bts3685: ;)
[05:50] <hyper_ch> j1mc: that's the only way I can offer :)
[05:51] <j1mc> bts3685: what do you mean, "release for a cancelled project"?  they just skipped herd6 bc it was scheduled for the same day as a kernel freeze and other deadlines.
[05:52] <bts3685> j1mc: ohh... they just pushed it back? i thought they were canceling it completely.
[05:53] <crimsun> no, Herd 6 was cancelled.
[05:53] <crimsun> As in RC is this week, so no Herd 6.
[06:20] <j1mc> hey all, check it out:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405185  :-)  thanks!!
[06:27] <Slor> Just a quick question - if anyone is currently active...
[06:28] <Slor> I have a dual P3-400 machine I am considering ubuntu for.  I like the lighter-weight desktop, so I expect I should install xubuntu, and I'll want just a couple serices running like sshd, ftpd, etc.
[06:29] <Slor> Should I install 6.10 or 6.06 for best performance on this machine?
[06:29] <Slor> And is xubuntu indeed the best flavor for it?
[06:29] <Slor> serices=services
[06:29] <j1mc> Slor: for a lightweight machine, xubuntu would be a good choice.
[06:30] <j1mc> 6.10 has slightly better performance, but if you can wait, 7.04 will be released in a few weeks.
[06:30] <j1mc> 6.06 is probably the most stable if you are in a production environment.
[06:31] <Slor> what will 7.04 bring to the table?
[06:32] <PiTcReW> Slor : I was wondering that as well.
[06:33] <Slor> Also, do you know if unbuntu includes support for Travan-style tape drives out of the box?
[06:33] <Slor> unbuntu=ubuntu, of course
[06:34] <j1mc> Slor: better wireless support, better support for restricted drivers, better ...  me goes to see release notes or something.
[06:36] <j1mc> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta
[06:37] <PiTcReW> Hey, what's the best application for managing an ipod (besides gtkpod)?
[06:39] <Slor> Can I assume that the "desktop" edition includes the basic server daemons as well?
[06:40] <Pumpernickel> Nope.
[06:41] <Slor> so, no sshd etc.?
[06:41] <Pumpernickel> Not by default.
[06:42] <Slor> Lemme ask this then - if I want a system that has just a handful of server-ish daemons and also a lightweight desktop, where should I start?
[06:42] <Slor> I would expect I could go either direction and add on whatever I need.
[06:44] <j1mc> Pumpernickle I had a dream on Friday that you hacked my file server.  There were a bunch of references to "PuMpErNiCkLe" in the log files.  :-P  weird, eh??
[06:44] <j1mc> (yes, i dreamt that i checked my log files.)
[06:45] <Pumpernickel> Wow... your dreams are wacked. o.O
[06:45] <Slor> Now THAT's dedication. :)
[06:46] <j1mc> Pumpernickel: yeah, it was a wacked dream.
[06:47] <Pumpernickel> I'm pretty sure the install cd has openssh-server, but doesn't install it by default.
[06:48] <Slor> gotcha.  j1mc - you mentioned 6.06 may be more stable.  Any specific gotchas with 6.10?
[06:49] <Slor> oh, and desktop install will supply and SMP kernel when appropriate, I hope...
[06:50] <j1mc> Slor: no, but the upgrade path from 6.06 to 6.10 didn't work so well.
[06:50] <Slor> ah - not an issue here. :)
[06:50] <j1mc> Slor: the upgrade was kind of buggy
[06:51] <Slor> guess I'll try out x6.10 then.
[06:51] <Slor> thanks for the info guys
[06:51] <j1mc> Slor: just depends on what you're using it for.  if you need it to be a reliable server, i say go with 6.06.  if you need more cutting edge apps, go with 6.10.  6.06 will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server (x years from the release date)
[06:53] <Slor> I don't even see a "server" release of x.  Am I missing something?
[07:45] <Chil1> crimsun: any idea why my sound sounds sounds really grainy?
[07:45] <Chil1> crimsun: I've looked, I've tried different things, but its still the same, any ideas?
[07:47] <maxamillion> Chil1: you have the volume app in your panel?
[07:47] <Chil1> Max: yes
[07:48] <maxamillion> Chil1: click the icon to open the control panel type app and check your PCM .... if mine is up to high it makes the sound scratchy
[07:48] <Chil1> kk
[07:51] <Chil1> max: hmm, that took a little bit of the grainyness out, but it sounds like there's too much bass, to the point where everything is crackling.
[07:52] <maxamillion> Chil1: oh ... hmmm, that's not good and sadly i have no ideas as to how to resolve that one
[07:57] <Chil1> max: I think I may have found the problem on one of the boards, whats the command for uninstalling a codec?
[07:57] <maxamillion> Chil1: "sudo aptitude remove <name of codec package>"
[07:58] <Chil1> Thanks.
[07:58] <maxamillion> np
[08:11] <BFTD> Hey guys, I'm trying to share my my internet which I get via wireless, to my other computer, through this computer via ethernet
[08:11] <BFTD> how do I do this?
[08:12] <icicled> BFTD, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
[08:13] <icicled> there's probably something similar on the ubuntuforums
[08:13] <BFTD> yeah
[08:34] <Chil1> Hmm, any reason why my rhythmbox exits whenever I try to play something?
[08:35] <Merchelo> your choice of music?
[08:36] <tors_> have you tried starting rhythmbox from a terminal to see if there is any hintful message upon exit?
[08:38] <Chil1> tors: This is my second day on a xubuntu machine, I've done that but I don't know how to translate the results.
[08:38] <Merchelo> paste them here, if not too long
[08:39] <Chil1> Its pretty long, want me to pastebin it?
[08:39] <maxamillion> Chil1: please do
[08:39] <Chil1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14754/
[08:43] <tors_> maybe it has to do with that rhythmbox wants to use esd. maybe there is some configuration option in rhythmbox where you can select another sound daemon...
[08:43] <tors_> I stopped using rhythmbox when I switched from ubuntu to xubuntu
[08:44] <Chil1> What do you use?
[08:44] <tors_> I' trying out "exaile"
[08:45] <Chil1> Thanks.
[09:05] <judgen> howdy, i by misstake removed my libgl.so.1 in what package can i find a replacement?
[09:09] <tors_> dpkg -S libGL.so.1
[09:14] <hyper_ch> huhu
[09:14] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[09:24] <beli> hi folks
[09:27] <beli> hi...after installing xubuntu...howto get my intel 3945ABG wireless adapter to work?
[09:36] <sinkorswim> i'm trying to install a kde app (.deb) using the package installer but I get "error: dependency is not satisfiable: kdelib4c2a", however, according to synaptic package manager, I have the latest version of that library installed
[09:37] <sinkorswim> does anyone know how I can resolve this?
[09:39] <hyper_ch> what app is it?
[09:39] <hyper_ch> beli: it does not run out of the box?
[09:43] <beli> hyper_ch: there is no tool to do the connection...
[09:43] <beli> hyper_ch: and the card isn't found also...
[09:43] <hyper_ch> pci card?
[09:43] <beli> onboard...it's a toshiba a100 notebook
[09:44] <hyper_ch> beli: pastebin lspci
[09:44] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch: ktorrent. dpkg says I need kdelibs4c2a >= 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2, I have 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1.1 but I'm not sure how to upgrade, synpatic says I alreday have the latest version.. can u help?
[09:45] <beli> hyper_ch: i am using that notebook atm with the microsuxx os ;) so it's hard to paste it without rebooting...tell me what i have to look for please
[09:45] <hyper_ch> sinkorswim: well, answering my question may help :)
[09:45] <hyper_ch> beli: what the actual wifi card is in there... what chip :)
[09:48] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch: I thought I did? :) ktorrent. or did you mean another question?
[09:48] <hyper_ch> oh didn't see it
[09:48] <hyper_ch> sinkorswim: why don't you install it from the repository? why did you download a .deb file?
[09:52] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch: repository has ktorrent 2.03, I want to install 2.1
[09:53] <sinkorswim> it's ok, I just managed to it, I had to manually install the latest kdelibs4c2a
[09:53] <sinkorswim> thanks for your help
[09:53] <hyper_ch> sinkorswim: bad habit
[09:53] <hyper_ch> sinkorswim: I got 2.1 from the repos :)
[09:53] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch: yeah, but this is just an experimental box, it's here for me to break :)
[09:54] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch:  how?
[09:54] <hyper_ch> Feisty
[09:54] <sinkorswim> u upgraded to feisty first?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> no, I did a clean install of feisty :)
[09:55] <beli> hyper_ch: it has its own chipset called ipw3945ABG
[09:56] <hyper_ch> beli: dapper? edgy? feisty?
[09:56] <sinkorswim> hyper_ch: for me that's a little overkill to only to get the latest ktorrent :)
[09:56] <hyper_ch> feisty is great :)
[09:56] <hyper_ch> runs pretty much stable
[09:56] <hyper_ch> the only issue is that opera won't run right now
[09:57] <beli> hyper_ch: 6.06
[09:57] <beli> hyper_ch: that's another issue for me....where to find the changelogs?
[09:58] <hyper_ch> beli: it should run out of the box
[09:58] <beli> what makes you sure about that?
[09:59] <hyper_ch> because ppl say so on the forum
[09:59] <hyper_ch> what doesn't work?
[09:59] <beli> no module is listed by lsmod.....and there comes no wifi manager with 6.06....ugly...
[10:00] <hyper_ch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227533&highlight=ipw3945ABG+dapper
[10:01] <Pumpernickel> hyper_ch: Opera sort of works again.  The latest 9.20b builds can run on Feisty, now.
[10:01] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: some people said to change default color depth in the xorg.conf to 16... I set it that but haven't restarted x yes
[10:01] <hyper_ch> -s +z
[10:01] <hyper_ch> -z+t
[10:02] <Pumpernickel> Errr... what does that have to do with Opera?
[10:02] <hyper_ch> dunno
[10:02] <Pumpernickel> o.o
[10:03] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2007/04/06/hotfix?cid=2738532
[10:05] <beli> hyper_ch: it should, but it doesn't...
[10:05] <Pumpernickel> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
[10:05] <hyper_ch> beli: are you sure you have 6.06?
[10:05] <Pumpernickel> There's been more activity since then.
[10:06] <beli> yes
[10:06] <hyper_ch> beli: then ask Pumpernickel -> he's a guru
[10:07] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: oh well... I hope an updated version will be included in feisty soon
[10:07] <hyper_ch> or rather released :)
[10:07] <beli> i asked the channel, so i asked him already
[10:08] <hyper_ch> maybe he did not see it
[10:08] <Pumpernickel> Wireless isn't really my thing.
[10:08] <hyper_ch> mine just runs out of the box :)
[10:08] <beli> but you can tell me about the location of some changelog maybe
[10:08] <hyper_ch> beli: you could try #ubuntu or #kubuntu as this is nothing desktop specific :)
[10:09] <hyper_ch> beli: no clue
[10:09] <beli> i know :)
[10:09] <beli> changelogs are something important......
[10:09] <beli> i just could grep them for 3945 and see if sth. has been added ;)
[10:14] <hyper_ch> nice page:   http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
[10:17] <Noitir> Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to install Xubuntu on a PC that doesn't have a CD-ROM Drive.
[10:19] <hyper_ch> !install | Noitir
[10:19] <ubotu> Noitir: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:20] <Noitir> Okay, thanks.
[10:39] <Noitir> Is there an instlux for xubuntu?
[10:40] <bts3685> Noitir: do you mean this? http://instlux.sourceforge.net/
[10:43] <Noitir> Yes, will that work for Xubuntu on Windows 2000?
[10:43] <Noitir> It says that Ubuntu, OpenSuSE and Linkat are supported.
[10:44] <maxamillion> it doesn't look like they have updated it in a while ... they only have an installer for Dapper, in 2 weeks that will be 2 releases old
[10:45] <maxamillion> Noitir: i recommend just using the live cd and install with the gui tool that way, it will be easier imo
[10:46] <bts3685> Noitir: i agree with maxamillion. i'm sure you could edit the code and make it work for xubuntu (you might not even have to), but why bother? it's just one more oppurtunity to have something go wrong, you know?
[10:46] <Noitir> Ok
[10:47] <Noitir> I just don't have an optical drive to boot from.
[10:47] <maxamillion> oh ... ouch
[10:47] <Noitir> heh
[10:50] <Noitir> Anything else I can do?
[10:51] <Pumpernickel> You could install from floppies. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[10:51] <maxamillion> buy an optical drive? :/
[10:52] <Pumpernickel> Requires about 3 floppies and a decent network connection.
[10:53] <Noitir> Pumpernickel: Will that work with Xubuntu?
[10:57] <Pumpernickel> I can't think of any reason it wouldn't.
[10:57] <Noitir> ok
[10:57] <Noitir> thx
[11:04] <keb> hay kids, how do i make it so i can get accented latin-1 letters from my US-english keyboard, using compose sequences?
[11:05] <keb> for example ` + e gives 
[11:06] <keb> i want to use it in vim in a terminal
[11:06] <maxamillion> keb: i sadly have no earthly idea
[11:07] <keb> in some previous incarnation of fnu/linux, i used to set keyboard = US-english + deadkeys, but that doesnt exist anymore
[11:07] <keb> *gnu
[11:53] <stimz> Evening all.
[11:54] <j1mc> hi stimz
[11:54] <stimz> Just upgraded to 6.10 and noticed that the icons for the file system and home directory are missing. (Hows things j1mc?)
[11:55] <stimz> s
[11:56] <j1mc> i'm ok, stimz.    with 6.10 they decided to remove the icons from the desktop by default.  :-)
[11:57] <stimz> hey hey :)
[11:57] <j1mc> i think they're back by default with 7.04, which will be released in a few weeks.
[11:57] <keb> i don't use the file manager because it doesnt drag and drop
[11:57] <stimz> yer thats true
[11:57] <j1mc> back and forth, eh?  :-)
[11:57] <keb> heh
[11:57] <stimz> isn't it the way
[11:58] <j1mc> keb, xfce4.4 is better than the previous releases, and is included with feisty.  i suggest checking it out.
[11:58] <Grey_Loki> j1mc, Feisty=7.04?
[11:59] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: yes
[11:59] <j1mc> yep
[12:00] <keb> thanks
[12:00] <keb> i have thunar installed, just not using it much
[12:01] <maxamillion> keb: whoa ... what do you use?
[12:01] <keb> cp, rm, mv ;)
[12:02] <keb> and cd
[12:02] <maxamillion> ah, rgr
[12:02] <keb> i'm a fan of 2 letter commands :P
[12:02] <maxamillion> keb: Thunar is extremely convenient when i am grading student's code ;)
[12:03] <keb> i didnt know it could help with coding
[12:04] <maxamillion> keb: because each student submits an assignment in a .zip file and i have to unpack and then view each students source and Xarchive + Thunar + Geany makes my life easy
[12:05] <keb> hmm havent seen Geany
[12:06] <maxamillion> keb: its a really simple but nice text editor for programmers ... they claim its an IDE, but it seems too clean and un-cluttered to be an IDE by todays standards :D
[12:06] <maxamillion> keb: http://geany.uvena.de/
[12:06] <keb> looks nice
[12:06] <maxamillion> its awesome ;)(
[12:07] <maxamillion> brb
[12:10] <maxamillion> annnnnd back
[12:11] <keb> wb
[12:12] <maxamillion> thankies
[12:12] <maxamillion> i am sooo tired of deterministic finite state automaton i could scream
[12:12] <keb> well NFA are pretty much the same
[12:13] <maxamillion> keb: accept when you have to convert NFA to DFA because your prof wants it done that way ... and then you get to code them
[12:14] <keb> ugh
[12:14] <maxamillion> keb: its ok, we move on to push down automaton next week
[12:14] <keb> i refuse to get a pda
[12:14] <maxamillion> wait ... get one? ... did you transition to a topic of palm pilots?
[12:15] <keb> hehe
[12:15] <magic_ninja> to update to fiesty don't i just go change my reps and do sudo apt-get upgrade-dist
[12:15] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: that is one way to do it, yes
[12:16] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: you will want to do a apt-get update before that dist-upgrade though ;)
[12:16] <maxamillion> an*
[12:16] <keb> yes
[12:16] <magic_ninja> maxamillion: ty i did know that
[12:16] <magic_ninja> havn't upgraded dist in a whil
[12:16] <magic_ninja> this will be the first time i've done it in like 3 yrs
[12:17] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: wait, what version you running right now?
[12:17] <magic_ninja> edgy
[12:17] <magic_ninja> just change all the edgy to fiesty right
[12:17] <maxamillion> ok, just making sure
[12:17] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: yeah
[12:18] <magic_ninja> fiesty right
[12:18] <magic_ninja> i mean that how u spell it
[12:18] <maxamillion> magic_ninja: feisty
[12:21] <magic_ninja> here we go
[12:21] <magic_ninja> hwo i kill x
[12:21] <maxamillion> how to kill X?
[12:21] <maxamillion> guess he figured it out