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[10:54] <juliux> hey willvdl
[10:54] <willvdl> juliux, hey
[10:54] <juliux> who was your holiday?
[10:55] <willvdl> good thanks, except for the end bit (got robbed on the last day)
[10:55] <juliux> ohh
[10:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: ohno.
[10:57] <juliux> willvdl,  in which dangerours area you have been?
[10:57] <highvoltage> willvdl: you should just do what I do, make funny faces and scare them away.
[10:57] <willvdl> that was in Buenos Aires
[10:57] <willvdl> highvoltage, I pretended that I didn't understand them
[10:57] <willvdl> but the gun made it fairly obvious after that...
[10:58] <highvoltage> ouch... that bad...
[11:00] <willvdl> yip. well, not really. not "threatening" like back home if you know what I mean
[11:11] <RichEd> welcome back willvdl
[11:11] <willvdl> RichEd, have a good long weekend?
[11:11] <RichEd> willvdl: okay thanks ... back to the grindstone today ...
[11:12] <willvdl> likewise
[11:15] <RichEd> willvdl: I've added a spec for UDS for you, Edubuntu documentation as a subset of Ubuntu documentation
[11:15] <willvdl> ah. will look it up
[11:16] <RichEd> the idea is that at UES we discuss any holes in our processes or facilities or procedures ... and then carry any needs forward into UDS
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hey you guys
[11:23] <jsgotangco> willvdl: doing well now?
[11:24] <willvdl> jsgotangco, all good thanks. Good to be back
[11:28] <jsgotangco> that's good to know
[11:28] <jsgotangco> its nice to know as well that Edubuntu will have its own docs on feisty ;-)
[11:59] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco
[11:59] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hey how are you doing lately
[12:00] <RichEd> jsgotangco: well thanks ... and yourself ?
[12:01] <jsgotangco> hmm its alright, i might be moving to a new job soonish...
[12:03] <jsgotangco> had a week-long break to think about things
[12:04] <RichEd> jsgotangco: and with productive results I hope ?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> i guess :/
[12:04] <jsgotangco> wikipedia can be too entertaining sometimes
[12:04] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> let's see what happens in a month or two
[12:22] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[12:53] <RichEd> ping willvdl
[12:53] <willvdl> RichEd, pong
[12:53] <RichEd> ->
[01:31] <maccam94> RichEd, you around?
[01:31] <RichEd> hi maccam94 ... just creating a spec around the mass deployment / admin at the moment :)
[01:32] <maccam94> sweet
[01:32] <RichEd> I'll send you the wiki page link and the discussion page for the Education Summit
[01:33] <maccam94> thanks
[01:46] <RichEd> maccam94: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla/BOF/EdubuntuMassDeploymentManagement
[01:46] <RichEd> please take a look, and email me comments / changes
[01:47] <maccam94> k
[01:47] <RichEd> I've added it to the UES discussion topics, but we should be able to get an initial overview out before the meet
[01:49] <maccam94> RichEd, are there going to be any meetings/summits in the northeast US anytime soon?
[01:49] <ogra> RichEd, thats nothing we should do without having cjwatson around
[01:49] <ogra> so rather a UDS task
[01:50] <ogra> (or any other prson deeply involved with dbeconf and package management devlopment fwiw)
[01:50] <ogra> *debconf
[01:50] <RichEd> ogra: we'll do a lot of these as brainstorm pre-prep for UDS ... to get requirements from an end user perspective ... so it will transfer to a UDS spec for a formal BOF
[01:51] <ogra> well, brainstorming on tasks where someone with deep knowledge would probably immediatly say "no that wont work" makes more sense than shooting in the blue imho
[01:52] <ogra> we should restrict the tech stuff for UES to pieces we can really discuss and keep the ones where we need knowledgeable people for UDS
[01:53] <ogra> (imho)
[01:54] <RichEd> ogra: I'm thinking more along the lines of brainstorming user needs ... as in "I have 4 schools under my management, each with 40 workstations, and a local school server. How do I configure for the easiest set-up and update process."
[01:54] <ogra> mass deployment will involve a *lot* of changes to many different subsytems if we want to do it right
[01:55] <RichEd> i.e. for Matt Oquist and David Trask to describt the real world environments at UES. And then we can make suggestions on how to best aproach this at a proper UDS BOF with the right people.
[01:56] <ogra> right, i just want to prevent us from going the wrong paths ...
[01:56] <ogra> mass deployment/management is as long requested as network authentication
[01:56] <RichEd> I understand, and we'll make it clear that UES will not create pie in the sky wishlists for UDS to shoot down.
[01:57] <RichEd> You and I will act as gatekeepers for allowing only specs that have a reasonable chance of passing
[01:57] <ogra> the task is involving to many other systems to even say more than "thats what we want to do" ... without involving knowledgeable people that say "thats what we *can* do"
[01:58] <ogra> so keep the expectations of such stuff for UES low
[01:58] <highvoltage> hey ogra and RichEd.
[01:58] <ogra> (for the atendees it should be clear that we might completely differ in views from what UDS people will say or do)
[01:59] <highvoltage> I'm currently background-processing ways that I could contribute at UES. Worst case scenario, I'll answer as many questions possible to the attendees, and make you guys coffee :)
[01:59] <RichEd> So the solutions emerging from UES may then be "guidance, recipes and pointers to existing web documentation"
[01:59] <maccam94> ogra, it's not necessary at this point to work out the technical details of how the packages will be modified. what's necessary is for the developers to hear what the users want, so they know what to work on
[01:59] <ajmitch> at this rate I may end up getting flights that arrive while UES is on :)
[01:59] <highvoltage> ajmitch: nice!
[02:00] <ajmitch> highvoltage: not really
[02:00] <ajmitch> highvoltage: got an email from the eyas people today, who looked for 4 hours & found no suitable flights yet
[02:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: a grand wishlist might be real good, will show the users that they are heard, as long as they understand that wishlist features won't necassarily make it into the gray giraffe (or whatever it's called)
[02:01] <willvdl> ajmitch, from where?
[02:01] <highvoltage> ajmitch: outch!
[02:01] <ajmitch> willvdl: new zealand
[02:01] <willvdl> doh
[02:01] <RichEd> highvoltage: you're going down on the list for 1) a presentation on tuXlabs and 2) any tools you've built that will make sense for us to look at or consider
[02:01] <ogra> highvoltage, learn C ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ldm-greeter
[02:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, will do
[02:02] <ajmitch> you might be interested to know of some ubuntu-directory work that's going ahead, with regards to hardware info, software deployment, etc
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: I've actually ordered the K&R C book, I'm planning to start working through that as soon as it lands on my doorstep from the Amazon
[02:02] <ogra> maccam94, i'm sure that the need for mass deployment and management been expressed over several releases by ISPs and other companies already :)
[02:03] <ogra> but as pdap authentication it will tae its time ... it needs deep changes in the architecture
[02:03] <maccam94> ogra, but is there an organized spec showing what all of the specific needs are?
[02:03] <ogra> *take
[02:03] <ogra> *ldap
[02:03] <ogra> *sigh*
[02:03] <ajmitch> ogra: the stuff I'm talking about is being written up in a spec, and is being done by someone as a masters project
[02:03] <ogra> maccam94, not sure ... i'm sure cjwatson could answer that from the top f his head :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> *very* conveniently, this person happens to be within walking distance of my place ;)
[02:04] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but the request for such a feature is there since pre-hoary
[02:04] <ajmitch> ogra: I know that
[02:05] <ogra> i'm sure it would have been more successfull (and earlier as well) if we had had a spec where the people involved with the facts would have helped earlier on
[02:05] <RichEd> ogra: just some background ... maccam94 asked the other day in this channel on how to best deploy to many local workstations so as to simplify the updates process.
[02:05] <ogra> so i'm tryig to prevent such stuff
[02:06] <ogra> RichEd, yes, i was around
[02:06] <RichEd> he did not want to go LTSP as the w/s all have decent processing power & local disk etc.
[02:06] <ogra> yep
[02:06] <highvoltage> ajmitch: heh ;)
[02:06] <RichEd> so this spec is to give advice on that sort of question, and documented in such a way that we can just point someone to the wiki URL
[02:06] <ogra> RichEd, the problem with such big specs is that its very easy to go in the wrong direction and take more time through that
[02:07] <RichEd> okay, so then we need to make sure that the wiki discussion page is realistic before the session starts.
[02:07] <ogra> we should in any case formulate a requirement and point (and maybe test) to other distros solutions
[02:07] <ogra> but we'll need t stop very early without having input from the experts
[02:08] <ogra> so preparing the ground is fine ... but lets keep off suggestions and deep tec details for such big tasks
[02:08] <ogra> its not edubuntu specific at all either ..
[02:09] <ogra> ... even though we might have big demand in our community
[02:13] <RichEd> maccam94: http://www.ubuntulive.com/ porland oregon ... that's the next US event
[02:13] <RichEd> *portland
[02:13] <maccam94> gah, that's a bit of a treck from here :-\
[02:14] <ogra> where are you ?
[02:14] <maccam94> near boston, MA
[02:15] <cliebow_> ogra: we had a fellow with some issues yesterday using edgy and ltsp-build-client .124..How would you suggest proceeding?udpate somehow to 5.0.6?
[02:16] <ogra> maccam94, i think there is something planned for the eastcoast
[02:16] <ogra> but nothing concrete yet (only roumors i heard)
[02:17] <ogra> cliebow_, 0.124 on feisty ?
[02:17] <cliebow_> no edgy
[02:17] <cliebow_> no...edgy
[02:18] <ogra> well, thne 5.0.x wont work unless he upgrades the server
[02:18] <ogra> *then
[02:18] <ogra> 5.0 ha dependencies not available in edgy
[02:18] <ogra> *has
[02:18] <cliebow_> he cited probs with network-manager...would simply manal edit of interfaces suffice there?
[02:19] <ogra> in edgy ? ther shouldnt be any probs with NM and ltsp ...
[02:19] <ogra> NM in edgy doesnt touch interfaces that are defined in the config file ...
[02:19] <cliebow_> he shied away from feisty cause of nm...
[02:20] <ogra> i have the fixed NM package running here already ;)
[02:20] <ogra> next upload should fix it for everyone
[02:21] <cliebow_> cool..so should be available pretty quick then..ill pass that on
[02:21] <ogra> not sure when Mithrandir wil upload it though ...
[02:23] <ogra> lol
[02:24] <ogra> while i wrote the above it did hit the archive :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008321.html
[02:24] <cliebow_> heh..guess ill give it a try..
[02:24] <cliebow_> soon
[02:24] <ogra> yeah, it needs to build first :)
[02:24] <ogra> thats only the upload notice
[02:25] <ogra> but that should make many edubuntu users happy again :)
[02:25] <cliebow_> whic is a Good thing 8~)
[02:26] <ogra> yeah
[02:29] <knix_> morning all
[02:29] <knix_> did ogra get a chance to look at that issue with ltsp?
[02:29] <ogra> ??
[02:29] <ogra> "the *issue* with ltsp" ??
[02:31] <knix_> ya,  I cant boot to the server.  On a fresh install of edubuntu, booting to the server says tftp agent not found
[02:31] <knix_> and when i try and build-client etc  it says chroot fail
[02:32] <ogra> which release ?
[02:33] <knix_> ogra heres the story,  I want to get edubuntu in my job/school and so i did feisty, and I found out NM is broke.  so i installed edgy and no good
[02:34] <cliebow__> knix_:i ust talked to ogra on this..
[02:34] <ogra> knix_, are you kirk ?
[02:34] <cliebow__> nm should be available soon
[02:34] <cliebow__> for feisty
[02:34] <knix_> nope, i am oringinally stormchas3r
[02:34] <ogra> ah
[02:34] <knix_> o really
[02:35] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008321.html <-- your fix :)
[02:35] <knix_> so i greatness
[02:35] <ogra> uploaded five min ago
[02:35] <knix_> you are the man
[02:35] <ogra> bug 100021 summarizes th eproblem btw
[02:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 100021 in ltsp "[Feisty]  LTSP fails on multi-homed server due to network manager touching predefined static interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100021
[02:36] <ogra> :)
[02:36] <knix_> so when will it be working
[02:36] <ogra> slow day today for the bot :)
[02:36] <ogra> as soon as the package has built
[02:36] <ogra> 1-2h from now should be fine ...
[02:36] <knix_> great, i will install feisty beta asap
[02:37] <knix_> ty
[02:37] <cliebow__> 8~)
[02:37] <knix_> thanks for the help yesterday cliebow_
[02:38] <cliebow__> sure...ogra tells me there deps that keep one from using 5.0.6 in edgy..so i was both wrong
[02:38] <knix_> i c,  thats why i had .024
[02:39] <cliebow__> .124
[02:39] <ogra> the 5.0 series is exclusively in feisty and later ...
[02:39] <knix_> ya that too
[02:39] <knix_> kewl
[02:39] <ogra> everything before where 0.xxx ones
[02:40] <ogra> (i bumped the version number to make it easier to determine for users that they run ltsp5)
[02:40] <knix_> roger
[02:41] <knix_> i know i asked this b4 but is there a way to join the eduubntu server to a windows domain?
[02:41] <maccam94> knix_, yes
[02:41] <maccam94> don't ask me how, but i read it somewhere
[02:42] <ogra> ajmitch wrote a tool :)
[02:42] <knix_> sweet
[02:42] <ogra> i dont know the link from the top of my head but it was on planet.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <knix_> great
[02:43] <knix_> so the problem i was having with feisty before was both nics would operate together, it was either on or the other.   This fix in NM will fix this?
[02:44] <ogra> yes
[02:44] <knix_> that made my day
[02:44] <knix_> :)
[02:44] <ogra> NM wont touch static interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces ... which is what the edubuntu installer does for ltsp
[02:45] <knix_> gotcha
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <knix_> morning
[04:06] <knix_> ogra, just checking, as of right now NM is still broke correct?
[04:06] <ogra> yes, until you get the updated package
[04:06] <knix_> ok, and what is the eta for that?
[04:08] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[04:09] <knix_> i see that for power pc
[04:11] <knix_> ogra, is this correct?  https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/317274
[04:12] <ogra> looks like
[04:12] <knix_> sweet, usually how long for that to hit the repos
[04:12] <ogra> if all arches have built it will be copied to the archive within about 30min
[04:12] <knix_> nice
[04:12] <knix_> ty
[04:50] <ogra> vagrantc, meet RichEd
[04:50] <ogra> RichEd, meet vagrantc
[04:50] <ogra> :)
[04:51] <vagrantc> greetings :)
[04:51] <RichEd> hi vagrantc ... good to meet you
[04:51] <RichEd> ogra has many kind & interesting words about you
[04:51] <vagrantc> ah, well, that's good to know :)
[04:52] <ogra> oh, mexico again ?
[04:52] <vagrantc> this is the part of mexico the US stole from mexico
[04:52] <ogra> ah
[04:52] <ogra> :)
[04:53] <RichEd> how unlike the US ;P
[05:05] <juliux> hi all
[05:05] <knix_> hello
[05:05] <ogra> hey juliux
[05:06] <juliux> hi ogra
[05:06] <juliux> ogra, i am sorry i have no time to test feisty:(
[05:06] <ogra> not once before 19th ?
[05:06] <knix_> ogra, I could test for ya
[05:06] <juliux> no chance
[05:07] <juliux> i have examen on 19th morning :(
[05:07] <ogra> knix_, that would be really appreciated ... we need any tester we can get :)
[05:07] <ogra> juliux, tsk ... totally overrated ... tell them you have more important stuff
[05:07] <ogra> ;)
[05:08] <juliux> ;)
[05:08] <knix_> ogra, great, count me in
[05:08] <knix_> I havent seen NM in the repo yet, I am paitently waiting
[05:08] <ogra> just monitor this room ... i'll get noisy if we have cadidates during the week
[05:13] <knix_> ogra, candidates?
[05:13] <ogra> isos ....
[05:13] <ogra> test candidates ....
[05:13] <knix_> kk
[05:14] <ogra> indeed you can test any iso image you like :)
[05:14] <ogra> but the announced ones are motre likely to work
[05:14] <ogra> *more
[05:14] <knix_> I installed beta and updated that,  couldnt i update NM thru that?
[05:16] <ogra> sure
[05:16] <knix_> Is there a link other than the one you gave me to monitor and know when NM will be available?
[05:16] <knix_> so I dont have to bug you
[05:17] <ogra> just run sudo apt-get update from time to time ...
[05:17] <ogra> the update-manager should tell you about it then
[05:17] <knix_> ha
[05:17] <knix_> ok
[05:18] <knix_> how do I get x11vnc installed on the client to monitor their screens?
[05:20] <ogra> enable universe in the chroot, then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install x11vnc ... and write a startscript in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc2.d  that attaches the vnc server to the local display
[05:21] <knix_> verynice, it's just i have no idea how to do that
[05:21] <knix_> :(
[05:22] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 makes you root in the clients /
[05:22] <ogra> all operations you do there then will affect all clients ...
[05:22] <knix_> ok
[05:22] <ogra> i.e. installing packages
[05:22] <ogra> or writing scripts
[05:23] <knix_> ok, no go for the scripts
[05:23] <knix_> but I would love to learn
[05:45] <cliebow_> knix_, lookslike networkmanager isready..
[05:46] <ogra> note that you have to reboot and that it will tear down your static interface during the package upgrade
[05:46] <ogra> at least it did that here
[05:47] <cliebow_> no worries 8~)
[05:47] <knix_> great
[05:49] <knix_> is there a guide to conifiguring x11vnc for thin clients?
[05:49] <ogra> wiki.ltsp.org might have something
[05:49] <knix_> ty
[05:50] <ogra> apart from that try to ignore the term "thin clients"
[05:50] <ogra> the thin client environment behaves like any other ubuntu
[05:50] <knix_> your right, my bad
[05:50] <ogra> so if u run the chroot command you can follow any howto for setting up vnc servers on ubuntu
[05:51] <knix_> great, ty for the tip
[05:51] <cliebow_> knix_:fwiw http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress
[05:52] <cliebow_> dont know just how this will port
[05:52] <knix_> ty
[06:06] <knix_> Please bare with me guys.  I chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386, then run apt-get install x11vnc, it says it couldnt find the package
[06:08] <knix_> so if I go into apt/sources.list there is nothing listed there
[06:08] <ogra> add universe to the sources.list file and run apt-get update
[06:08] <ogra> you can also copy over the one from the server
[06:08] <ogra> just make sure to run apt-get update after any change to it
[06:08] <knix_> ok, ty
[06:09] <knix_> that did it
[06:09] <knix_> gracias
[06:09] <knix_> i just copied the whold list over
[06:26] <knix_> alright, i install x11vnc in the chroot, try to run it and fail everytime
[06:30] <ogra> dont *run* it in the chroot :)
[06:30] <ogra> you can only run it from te client
[06:30] <ogra> s/from/on/
[06:34] <knix_> ok, if I run it from the client, it says "x error of failed request: Bad
[06:35] <knix_> Access (attempt to access private resourse denied)
[06:48] <greg_g> sorry to interrupt, don't answer if you are busy with that problem (it is more important) but...  What have you found to be the best source for the thin client hardware.  I did a basic look around the internet and the majority of products only support the Windows thin client.  Are there options for do it yourself people that want low cost and low power?
[06:49] <ogra> disklessworkstations.com
[06:50] <greg_g> thanks, *looks*
[06:50] <knix_> ogra, ok, im clueless here.  I am trying everything from the client to connect to the server and nada
[06:52] <cbx33> anyone here know iranian?
[06:52] <cbx33> or know what language this is?
[06:52] <cbx33> http://opmdream.blogspot.com/2007/04/top-ten-tips-for-not-burning-out-in.html
[06:53] <juliux> hi cbx33
[06:53] <cbx33> hey juliux #
[06:55] <knix_> cliebow_, you there?
[07:05] <greg_g> interesting how disklesscomputing's logo is sort of a rip of microsoft
[07:09] <knix_> ogra, I understand the concept.  When I start it on the client it fails.  I tested it on the server and it started fine.  Im not sure what im missing
[07:57] <knix_> ogra, i got x11vnc up and running on the client but the "thin client mangaer" still says unavailable, install x11vnc on the client
[08:06] <knix_> anyone else know?
[08:37] <greg_g> sorry knix, no idea, I'm just here lurking and learning
[08:38] <knix_> ya, me too, thanks anyway
[10:01] <zzaza> hi all
[11:59] <knix_> so when is the full release suppose to be out for feisty?