[12:25] <bur[n] er> -R will change everything in the homedir
[12:25] <Infecto> hmm
[12:25] <christyxx1> just tried it again - says operand missing at end of script
[12:25] <Infecto> hcitool dev
[12:25] <Infecto> Devices:
[12:25] <Infecto> can some one tell me why bluetooth dont work ?
[12:26] <christyxx1> ooops - i see the space!
[12:26] <christyxx1> hang on
[12:26] <Infecto> i dont even se device
[12:26] <bur[n] er> Infecto: lshw show it?
[12:27] <christyxx1> how do i know if it worked
[12:27] <christyxx1> no error message now when i did it
[12:27] <bur[n] er> ls -l /home/user and see if they're owned by you
[12:28] <Infecto> bur[n] er: no
[12:28] <Infecto> i`v got loaded modules
[12:29] <Infecto> bluetooth              55908  4 rfcomm,l2cap
[12:29] <bur[n] er> Infecto: if lshw doesn't see it, that seems odd
[12:29] <christyxx1> if i get a list does that mean i own it now?
[12:30] <Tomg> hi all, my bluetooth only works when i disconnect me dongle then reconnect it, anyone shed some light on this?
[12:30] <bur[n] er> christyxx1: if you get a list and all fo the items in that list show that you own it... via christy:christy or user:user or whatever
[12:30] <christyxx1> thx burner
[12:30] <christyxx1> much obliged
[12:30] <bur[n] er> hasta luego
[12:30] <christyxx1> ciao
[12:31] <Infecto> i se only wi-fi card
[12:33] <linux_kid> How do I correctly upgrade edgy to feisty
[12:34] <jrib> !upgrade > linux_kid    (linux_kid, see the private message from ubotu)
[12:34] <linux_kid> thank you jrib
[12:36] <Chetwin> I am so confused
[12:36] <Chetwin> I want to install xp after ubuntu, but when I look at the howtos I feel like a total noob
[12:36] <Chetwin> I havent installed xp yet, what should I do?
[12:37] <Tomg> do you have a spare partition?
[12:37] <Chetwin> I'm gonna shrink with gparted
[12:37] <Tomg> which howto are you following?
[12:37] <Chetwin> I looked at 3 diff ones
[12:37] <Chetwin> I get lost when it comes to reinstalling grub
[12:38] <Chetwin> (hd0,2) blah blah
[12:38] <Chetwin> I don't get it
[12:38] <Pumpernickel> What do I have to do to get a microphone to work with an ICH5 chipset?  I've only managed to 'record' silence, so far.
[12:38] <Tomg> Chetwin: bit hard to explain from here... do you just have one hd?
[12:38] <Chetwin> yes
[12:38] <Chetwin> sata
[12:38] <Chetwin> sda
[12:39] <Tomg> right it should still be at (hd0)
[12:40] <peterflute> Thanks for the help arko, but it dodn't work.....
[12:40] <Chetwin> what should be at hd0
[12:40] <Arko> peterflute: sorry
[12:40] <Chetwin> Can we pm, I feel foolish
[12:41] <Tomg> when you have installed windows, you will have to boot into linux using a livecd, such as the ubuntu one or knoppix, then run "grub-install /dev/sda"
[12:41] <Tomg> lol kk
[12:49] <beg1689> hey guys
[12:49] <Tomg> hi
[12:49] <beg1689> i cant get xpad to work in feisty
[12:49] <beg1689> it worked in edgy :/
[12:50] <beg1689> i had to make a few small changes to the source but after compiling and loading the module it still wont recognize my 360 controller :'(
[12:50] <beg1689> its the only gamepad i have
[12:50] <beg1689> anyone else try it?
[12:51] <beg1689> i only made a couple of changes
[12:51] <beg1689> the ones mentioned here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xbox_360_controller_on_Linux
[12:52] <beg1689> and i changed SLAB_ATOMIC to GFP_ATOMIC because the former doesn;t seem to exist anymore
[12:52] <beg1689> compiles and inserts fine
[12:53] <beg1689> just doesnt recognize usb device as a controller: http://rafb.net/p/mk7o7Q94.html
[12:55] <rockzman> Can anyone help me i need to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on my server is that possible?
[12:56] <Tomg> beg1689: ill dig out my xpad and test it if you want
[12:56] <rockzman> someone?
[12:56] <beg1689> ok, but i imagine youll just get the same result
[12:56] <beg1689> something in the new kernel isnt compatible
[12:57] <beg1689> ve been googling a bit but all i found is people complaining that SLAB_ATOMIC is undefined,
[12:57] <Tomg> rockzman : you could always compile from source
[12:57] <beg1689> so they didnt get as far as i did
[12:58] <rockzman> Tomg could you guide me that?
[12:58] <beg1689> i replaced it with GFP_ATOMIC, hoping that would fix it, and it did make it compile but i get no js device
[12:58] <beg1689> perhaps i should ask in #linux :)
[12:58] <Tomg> rockzman : sur, grab the source from the mysq website
[12:58] <Tomg> beg1689 : just compile a new kernel :D
[12:59] <rockzman> k Tomg
[12:59] <rockzman> on my way
[01:02] <rockzman> Tomg no .deb package for the 4.1 version that yuo know?
[01:02] <Tomg> there may be, you could look in the older repos
[01:02] <rockzman> Tomg i already found
[01:03] <rockzman> w8
[01:03] <|NewUser|`> can someone help? when i try to sudo apt-get update .. something problem there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14780/
[01:11] <rockzman> Tomg first, i try to compile it using .deb packages
[01:11] <moparisthebest> can someone help me recover my system after upgrading to 7.04 beta?
[01:11] <moparisthebest> it seems to be a busybox problem from what I can tell
[01:11] <|NewUser|`> !upgrade
[01:11] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:12] <moparisthebest> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[01:12] <moparisthebest> is the error
[01:12] <moparisthebest> I already upgraded |NewUser|` but the system wont boot now
[01:12] <Tomg> Tomg: deb-src?
[01:13] <|NewUser|`> moparisthebest: sorry dude i m newbie too i cant help you.
[01:13] <moparisthebest> darn
[01:13] <gemidjy> I noticed the package beryl-kubuntu in latest feisty upgrade, but couldn't find any visual change, what does this package do anyway?
[01:13] <jugo> Whats the question
[01:14] <|NewUser|`> can someone help? when i try to sudo apt-get update .. something problem there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14780/
[01:14] <moparisthebest> jugo, my system freezes when booting up
[01:14] <moparisthebest> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[01:14] <moparisthebest> that is the last thing that shows up
[01:14] <moparisthebest> which is right after busybox shows up
[01:14] <moparisthebest> i just upgraded from 6.10, this is an amd64 system
[01:15] <jcole> i'm having apps like gaim, firefox and evolution freeze hard on feisty
[01:16] <moparisthebest> i could deal with that type of thing, but i cant even get to the command line :(
[01:17] <jcole> i'm on gaim now and it will probably lock up as i start talking more... any suggestion on what i can do to figure out what is going on?
[01:18] <moparisthebest> jcole, gaim and firefox use GTK I think
[01:18] <jcole> doing an strace on firefox it stops at this when it locks up:
[01:18] <jcole> futex(0x8bf0030, FUTEX_WAIT, 1, NULL)
[01:18] <moparisthebest> i dont know what evolution is
[01:18] <moparisthebest> perhaps its a GTK problem? :/
[01:18] <jcole> moparisthebest: evolution is a gtk/gnome email client
[01:19] <moparisthebest> it could be a gtk problem, see if you can use a different version maybe
[01:26] <DigitalNinja> Any new things happening with Feisty?
[01:26] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: yes. its updated.
[01:27] <DigitalNinja> What do you mean "updated"?
[01:27] <phaidros> I had some new packages today :)
[01:27] <DigitalNinja> Oh
[01:27] <DigitalNinja> Yes I get those
[01:27] <DigitalNinja> Well, I would if I told it to update
[01:27] <DigitalNinja> : )
[01:27] <phaidros> hehe
[01:28] <DigitalNinja> Does anyone know about CNR?
[01:28] <DigitalNinja> Click and Run
[01:29] <DigitalNinja> I take I'm the only one who has heard of CNR
[01:29] <BHSPitMonkey> oh yeah
[01:30] <DigitalNinja> So you have heard of it
[01:30] <BHSPitMonkey> you're the only one who follows news that's relevant to ubuntu around here
[01:30] <BHSPitMonkey> we're all dickheads
[01:30] <DigitalNinja> None said anything
[01:30] <DigitalNinja> Including you
[01:31] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: sometimes its ok to wait some minutes in irc for answers ;)
[01:31] <DigitalNinja> Yup
[01:31] <DigitalNinja> I know
[01:31] <phaidros> and, no I didn't hear about cnr .. sounds like something I don't want, though
[01:31] <DigitalNinja> I asked about this a few days ago and didn't get anything then
[01:31] <DigitalNinja> Well, you may want CNR
[01:31] <DigitalNinja> I think I want it
[01:32] <phaidros> what for?
[01:32] <DigitalNinja> hold on
[01:32] <DigitalNinja> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7474779842.html
[01:32] <DigitalNinja> check it out
[01:33] <misfit_toy> CNR may be cool, it may not, we'll see how it's rolled out.
[01:33] <phaidros> ah, this stupid effort to have yet another software repository ..
[01:33] <misfit_toy> right
[01:34] <phaidros> I didn't like the idea from the first day
[01:34] <misfit_toy> and it won't all be free from what I understand
[01:34] <phaidros> its just another idea how to make money with linux.
[01:34] <misfit_toy> plus there's the whole linspire involvement
[01:34] <misfit_toy> so I really have no interest at the moment.
[01:34] <phaidros> if CNR is the first thing new users stumble about, they get the totally wring impression of what Free Software means
[01:34] <misfit_toy> yes
[01:35] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: I heard that CNR will have legal copies of multimedia codecs
[01:35] <phaidros> I wonder why DigitalNinja thinks universe and multiverse wouldn't be enough
[01:35] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: yes, and you can buy crossover office, or just use open office ..
[01:36] <phaidros> ok, I agree its about choice.
[01:36] <phaidros> but:
[01:36] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: Well, the new way of installing the codecs is cool. Just double click the media and install the codec. Before that it was difficult to install codecs
[01:36] <DigitalNinja> Multimedia needs to be simple.
[01:36] <phaidros> if the kernel devs discuss _not_ to have an API for non-free modules .. what is in political aspects so great about another proprietary codec repository ,, which ppl even have to pay for ..
[01:37] <DigitalNinja> If it's not simple a lot of people will stick with Microsoft
[01:37] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: I always installed codecs with apt .. thats not dificult
[01:37] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: Yes you can do it that way. however, you need to edit sources etc...
[01:37] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: who dies for proprietary stuff might not need linux or see the difference of Free Software
[01:37] <DigitalNinja> You can't just type apt-get codecs
[01:38] <DigitalNinja> Desktop users want multimedia to work. That includes mp3's, wmv files etc...
[01:38] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: I agree that there is much mor improvements needed for new users and ease of ue, but sneaking around and looking where to get the codecs has at least 2 impacts:
[01:38] <phaidros> 1. better knowledge of the system
[01:39] <phaidros> 2. clearance about free - non-free - propretary
[01:39] <phaidros> both is knowledge transfer
[01:39] <phaidros> which is imho veeerrrry important
[01:39] <DigitalNinja> Hold on there. Some people don't want better knowledge of the system. They just want to surf the net, check email, and play media files
[01:39] <phaidros> they can
[01:39] <Suurorca> well, not ever having to deal with simple matters means you're screwed when a real problem pops up :p
[01:39] <DigitalNinja> I agree Suurorca
[01:40] <phaidros> even my mom can install all she need with ubuntu. ok, I have to tell her on the phone, but anyway
[01:40] <DigitalNinja> However, how many Windows users out there know what's going on inside of Windows.
[01:40] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: read again what Suurorca said :)
[01:40] <DigitalNinja> They can surf and play there media
[01:40] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: this issue is deeper than just having a 20$ repository
[01:40] <phaidros> its about Free vs. proprietary
[01:41] <DigitalNinja> That's why the line for tech support at Best Buy is so long.
[01:41] <phaidros> not solvable with yet another "open source business model"
[01:41] <Suurorca> windows is built so that users are not told anything about what happens in the system and thus having them call the 555- customer service when things fail =p
[01:41] <phaidros> ACK. and linux is about mature computing
[01:41] <DigitalNinja> Some people want to call tech support to have things fixed
[01:42] <DigitalNinja> They don't know how to fix their computer and they don't want to fix it. They want someone to do it for them
[01:42] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: so by putting proprietary paid support up for those users helps linux?
[01:42] <phaidros> how?
[01:42] <DigitalNinja> It's like a car. I have one but I don't know how to fix it and I don't want to know how to fix it. That's why I have the shop do it for me
[01:42] <phaidros> the car comparison is rubbish. sry.
[01:43] <misfit_toy> but if someone gave you a free car, and it was easy to fix....
[01:43] <phaidros> in windows you have to learn how to use it. e.g. installign things by clicking setup.exe
[01:43] <DigitalNinja> I don't have time to fix a free car
[01:43] <DigitalNinja> I don't have the space for all the parts either
[01:43] <Suurorca> and some people want to be able to figure things out themselves without any help and fix things in an intuitive and easy to control manner.
[01:43] <phaidros> easy things you will have to learn if you want to use a computer.
[01:43] <DigitalNinja> Suurorca: That's true
[01:43] <Suurorca> good thing both users can pick their OS, don't you think ;)
[01:44] <DigitalNinja> that's guys like you and me
[01:44] <DigitalNinja> however, grand parents that want to send email to the grand kids don't want to spend time fixing their computer
[01:44] <phaidros> freedom is about choice.
[01:44] <DigitalNinja> they just want it to work
[01:44] <DigitalNinja> If CNR will make it easy to install multimedia codecs I'm all for it
[01:44] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: grandparents usually don't use bittorrent and listen to mp3s
[01:45] <phaidros> ;)
[01:45] <DigitalNinja> How do you know?
[01:45] <Suurorca> those zealots who want linux to take 100% of the market make ofc good for the hardware support (through increased media coverage etc..) but the truth is linux is not suited for people who think they know how computers work but have no patience to learn
[01:45] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: I know none
[01:45] <tgm4883> most grandparent don't know what a mp3 is
[01:45] <phaidros> its just empirical knowledge :)
[01:45] <DigitalNinja> They might get a video clip of the grand kids in mpg format or something like that
[01:45] <|NewUser|`> !automatix
[01:45] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:46] <phaidros> mpeg is supported
[01:46] <tgm4883> thats awesome
[01:46] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: If that's true how come mp3's arn't supported
[01:46] <tgm4883> the best description of automatix i've seen
[01:46] <DigitalNinja> isn't that part of the mpeg format
[01:46] <|NewUser|`> !worksforme
[01:46] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:46] <phaidros> mpeg2 != mpeg layer 3
[01:47] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: How come I can't play mp3's after a default install?
[01:47] <phaidros> mpeg2 is _not_ mp3 .. you said mpeg movie which implies its mpeg2
[01:47] <johnnybuoy> !codecs
[01:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:47] <|NewUser|`> DigitalNinja: install w32codecs
[01:48] <DigitalNinja> I could install them
[01:48] <|NewUser|`> !medibuntu
[01:48] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[01:48] <|NewUser|`> DigitalNinja:  Check Medibuntu
[01:48] <DigitalNinja> however, grandma won't be able to install the w32codecs
[01:48] <DigitalNinja> It's to much work
[01:48] <DigitalNinja> look
[01:48] <phaidros> well, then
[01:48] <DigitalNinja> If linux is going to make it on the desktop things like multimedia need to be simple
[01:48] <johnnybuoy> but w32codecs is illegal in many places, man
[01:48] <phaidros> if grandma is able to read a step by step howto she is able to do.
[01:48] <tgm4883> ogg
[01:48] <Suurorca> 'linux going to make it on the desktop'
[01:48] <johnnybuoy> a distro can not provide the out of the box
[01:49] <phaidros> its the same effort like using CRN ..
[01:49] <DigitalNinja> You can't ask users to learn this that and the other just to play multimedia file
[01:49] <DigitalNinja> In Windows you just play the media
[01:49] <Suurorca> you know, I know there are people who cannot set their own VCR, but I've never understood why
[01:49] <DigitalNinja> why can't we do things in Linux
[01:49] <johnnybuoy> DigitalNinja, not true!
[01:49] <phaidros> you can't ask users to learn that they have to click start for shutting down their system
[01:49] <tgm4883> why not?
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> you need a media player and codecs in windows too
[01:50] <Suurorca> nor do I understand why should every vcr be such that it does not need to be configured / set up - that's almost as saying it does not need to be used
[01:50] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: what your point? if grandma is new to windows. where does she get vlc from? or this and that as you say?
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> and Vista can't even play DVDs without a 50$ purchase of a licence for DVD playing
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> etcetc
[01:50] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: That's my point. Some people don't know left from right when it comes to computers.
[01:50] <bur[n] er> DigitalNinja: and because of that, why should they be pushed to windows instead of linux...  they both end up doing the same
[01:50] <johnnybuoy> then they don't know how to use windows either, and other people set it up for them
[01:50] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: here  and there people _have_ to understand what its about. either windows or linux. its a dam* computer, man
[01:50] <Suurorca> computer is after all, a programmable multipurpose device. a computer that doesn't allow that is as good as a paperweight =p
[01:51] <johnnybuoy> so the other people can set up linux, if the want to
[01:51] <phaidros> hehe, I bricked once a laptop to paperwight :D
[01:51] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: Know! They should be able to turn on the computer, log in, get work done
[01:51] <DigitalNinja> That's it
[01:51] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: they cant in windows either
[01:51] <DigitalNinja> Asking the average user to learn more is asking way to much
[01:51] <phaidros> thats the point!
[01:52] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: If they can't even do it in Windows they will never use Linux. They will stick with Windows
[01:52] <phaidros> s/either/neither .. damn foregn languages ..
[01:52] <Draconicus> Hey.. my w32codecs don't work in VLC... What gives?
[01:52] <DigitalNinja> I would like to see them using Linux
[01:52] <DigitalNinja> Dranconicus: Multimedia codecs in Linux suck
[01:52] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: one who has never touched a computer might be very easy getting the concepts of linux. believe me
[01:52] <DigitalNinja> It takes way to much work to install them
[01:52] <Draconicus> DigitalNinja: Uh... no?
[01:52] <tgm4883> why are we arguing about grandma using linux?
[01:52] <johnnybuoy> not true, w32codecs in linux suck
[01:52] <johnnybuoy> but the name says why
[01:52] <Suurorca> bah. the only reason why linux should take over is to get rid of all those infested botnets =p
[01:52] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: Some of them. Not all of them
[01:53] <Tom47_> do you report bugs in feisty in launchpad in the usual way?
[01:53] <Draconicus> They worked fine in Debian. That's why I'm confused.
[01:53] <phaidros> Tom47_: yes
[01:53] <DigitalNinja> Draconicus: Who knows
[01:53] <Draconicus> DigitalNinja: I think I'll put you on ignore.
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> Draconicus, where did you install them from?
[01:53] <crimsun> Draconicus: we don't enable w32loader support for vlc.
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> oh?
[01:53] <DigitalNinja> tgm4883: I was using "grandma" as an example of a user that doesn't know much
[01:53] <phaidros> crimsun: why that?
[01:53] <Draconicus> crimsun: Is there a way to or some kind of workaround?
[01:53] <johnnybuoy> w32codecs work fine here in vlc
[01:53] <tgm4883> ah
[01:53] <crimsun> Draconicus: you're free to recompile with the option enabled.
[01:54] <johnnybuoy> heh
[01:54] <phaidros> hmm
[01:54] <johnnybuoy> fun fun fun
[01:54] <Draconicus> Ah. Fair enough. I'll do it that way.
[01:54] <phaidros> and mplayer??
[01:54] <crimsun> phaidros: it breaks on non-i386.
[01:54] <phaidros> crimsun: true
[01:54] <Draconicus> phaidros: Works fine.
[01:54] <tgm4883> so why are we arguing about a user that doesn't know much using linux?
[01:54] <johnnybuoy> true
[01:54] <Draconicus> crimsun: You could just make an exclusive i386 package..
[01:54] <phaidros> tgm4883: DigitalNinja was about CNR from linspire, and that it saves the world ..
[01:54] <crimsun> Draconicus: no we can't.
[01:54] <DigitalNinja> Why do computer people think that the end user is the enemy. We should be helping those that don't know as much as we do
[01:54] <tgm4883> ah ok
[01:55] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: we do help
[01:55] <Draconicus> crimsun: Why not? You do it for mplayer. :P
[01:55] <DigitalNinja> not making there life a living hell because we think they are stupid because they can't get the computer to play a DVD
[01:55] <crimsun> Draconicus: read the changelog, and you'll see my rationale for disabling it.
[01:55] <crimsun> Draconicus: rather, leaving it disabled.
[01:55] <Draconicus> Oy...
[01:55] <Suurorca> DigitalNinja: grandma's are pretty much ideal linux users. they don't even expect to be able to use a computer and they are perfectly satisfied with whatever comes out of the box. or then they are bored enough to actually RTFM and get things runnings
[01:55] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: putting up yet another 20$ proprietary repository, even if its one-click-foo doesn't solve the problem
[01:55] <Suurorca> the problem is with ppl who go like 'omg I need to read these 5 lines of text'
[01:55] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: You may be right
[01:55] <rockzman> Can anyone help me to remove COMPLETELY mysql 5 so i can unpackage my mysql 4 version
[01:55] <phaidros> Suurorca: thats actually true, I like your logic ;)
[01:56] <phaidros> rockzman aptitue search mysql
[01:56] <phaidros> then aptitude remove allthepackesmarkedwith'i' --purge
[01:56] <phaidros> or use synaptic and search for mysql
[01:57] <DigitalNinja> Suurorca: And I'm sure the next time you need your car fixed you will read the manual and fix it your self
[01:57] <phaidros> rockzman, and there make sure you remove config files also
[01:57] <Suurorca> DigitalNinja: if it will take me an hour to do it and save me a grand, I will =P
[01:57] <DigitalNinja> Sure
[01:57] <phaidros> actually cars are different
[01:57] <DigitalNinja> No they are not
[01:57] <Suurorca> though I'd need some tools... so your example isn't exactly valid
[01:57] <tgm4883> Suurorca, don't forget the 2 lines that you have to copy and paste
[01:58] <DigitalNinja> Suurorca: Just get the tools and read the manual
[01:58] <Suurorca> tgm4883: ah, I kne I made it sound too easy :/
[01:58] <Suurorca> tools are expensive :p
[01:58] <rockzman> phaidros k i am running a 7.04 server if i do remove that mysql packages
[01:58] <phaidros> I'd prefer a car running on linux. not a 100$/hour mechanic using a blackbox to identify problems ..
[01:58] <Suurorca> with a computer you usually have all the tools you need
[01:58] <phaidros> same shi* there
[01:58] <tgm4883> I actually have the tools and manual for my car, so yes i would fix it
[01:58] <rockzman> phaidros can i use dpkg -i to install mysql4 on this server?
[01:58] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: There's more to fixing a car then asking software to tell you what's wrong
[01:59] <phaidros> rockzman: why should you?
[01:59] <phaidros> apt is fine for that purpose
[01:59] <rockzman> phaidros for the 4?
[01:59] <phaidros> but if you prefer dpkg it should work also, but dependencies might be hassle
[01:59] <rockzman> it uses mysql-server-5 as dependent
[01:59] <DigitalNinja> You should be using the latest version of mysql
[01:59] <Suurorca> DigitalNinja: it's really not that difficult to locate a broken part and replace it
[01:59] <rockzman> DigitalNinja my costumer dont want it
[01:59] <DigitalNinja> I see
[02:00] <phaidros> rockzman: I actually dunno if there is a mysql4 still in the repos as fallback if 5 doesn't fit the app. anyone?
[02:00] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: why not?
[02:00] <moparisthebest> has anyone installed the proprietary nvidia drivers on feisty?
[02:00] <tgm4883> yea
[02:00] <rockzman> phaidros i've just found a 4 on a old repos
[02:00] <moparisthebest> do they work?
[02:00] <Suurorca> DigitalNinja: of course that doesn't solve every problem, but then again you don't need to be re-writing the source to solve most of your linux problems, either
[02:00] <tgm4883> work fine for me
[02:00] <rockzman> DigitalNinja then he would say im not paid to ask this questions
[02:00] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: yeah but except of the software is handwork, I'm also not repairing my complete home-electric ..
[02:00] <rockzman> rofl
[02:01] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: Oh, is this one of those situations where you do what you are told and don't ask any questions?
[02:01] <phaidros> rockzman: why feisty then?
[02:02] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: I'm was thinking the same thing
[02:02] <rockzman> phaidros Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.0 to 4.1.
[02:02] <rockzman> why is that
[02:03] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: I think it's a bad idea to "downgrade" or install version 4 of mySQL
[02:03] <phaidros> rockzman: who is aborting?
[02:03] <rockzman> i got this error when i try to unpackage the .deb file i got from repos
[02:04] <DigitalNinja> that's my 2 cents any way
[02:04] <rockzman> the instalattion
[02:04] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: if its needed mysql4 is still a good piece of software
[02:04] <DigitalNinja> phaidros: Ture
[02:04] <DigitalNinja> true
[02:04] <rockzman> ye
[02:04] <phaidros> and if your actually running application has no use for mysql5 then you _need_ 4 ..
[02:04] <DigitalNinja> True
[02:05] <rockzman> yea phaidros
[02:05] <rockzman> can i paste
[02:05] <rockzman> the message i got trying on apt
[02:05] <rockzman> sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
[02:05] <rockzman> ?
[02:05] <rockzman> 3 or 2 lines tho
[02:05] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: that looks good to me
[02:05] <rockzman> Os NOVOS pacotes a seguir sero instalados:
[02:05] <rockzman>   libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libmysqlclient15off libnet-daemon-perl
[02:05] <rockzman>   libplrpc-perl mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common mysql-server-4.1
[02:05] <rockzman>   mysql-server-5.0
[02:05] <phaidros> strange in the repos is mysql-server-4.1
[02:06] <phaidros> but it requires mysql-server-5
[02:06] <rockzman>  Os NOVOS pacotes a seguir sero instalados: (the new packages are going to be installed)
[02:06] <rockzman> phaidros ok even if i proceed is there somehow to run the 4.1?
[02:06] <rockzman> aswell i got that installed
[02:06] <phaidros> rockzman: for such pastelines please use pastebin or such
[02:06] <rockzman> phaidros sorry
[02:06] <rockzman> btw
[02:06] <rockzman> i dont care if more versions are going to be installed
[02:07] <rockzman> i just would like to run the 4
[02:07] <rockzman> is that possible to run the 4?
[02:07] <DigitalNinja> look for the start up script for version 4
[02:07] <rockzman> ok
[02:07] <rockzman> now im going to proceed
[02:07] <phaidros> hm, I'm not sure but I would excpect then a config file to choose mysql version or 2 different startup scripts in /etc/init.d
[02:07] <phaidros> *wildguessing
[02:07] <rockzman> mmm
[02:07] <DigitalNinja> there should be something in /etc/init.d
[02:07] <rockzman> lemme check
[02:08] <DigitalNinja> if there isn't you need to find out why
[02:08] <DigitalNinja> It could be that 4 didn't get installed
[02:08] <rockzman> im going to hceck it know
[02:08] <rockzman> through dpkg -
[02:08] <rockzman> through dpkg -l
[02:09] <rockzman> ii  mysql-server-4.1                           5.0.38-0ubuntu1                        mysql database server (transitional package)
[02:09] <rockzman> see?
[02:09] <DigitalNinja> Well, look in /etc/init.d
[02:09] <DigitalNinja> make sure there is a mysql script in there
[02:09] <rockzman> there is
[02:09] <DigitalNinja> you also need to make sure it's going to start version 4
[02:09] <rockzman> mysql
[02:09] <rockzman> mysql-ndb
[02:10] <DigitalNinja> yup
[02:10] <rockzman> mysql-ndb-mgm
[02:10] <rockzman> none of this suggest you it is the 4?
[02:10] <DigitalNinja> no
[02:10] <DigitalNinja> you need to read the text in the file
[02:10] <DigitalNinja> it's a script that starts mysql
[02:10] <rockzman> Server version: 5.0.38-Ubuntu_0ubuntu1-log
[02:10] <DigitalNinja> however, it could start mysql 5
[02:10] <rockzman> it is the 5 when i try to start that
[02:11] <DigitalNinja> That's what I'm talking about
[02:11] <phaidros> ok, I isntalled the 4.1 package also, but cannot find any occurance of 4.1 in the file syste,
[02:11] <phaidros> m
[02:11] <phaidros> not even in init.d/
[02:11] <DigitalNinja> Backup the start up scripts in /etc/init.d for mysql
[02:11] <rockzman> how can that be possible
[02:11] <DigitalNinja> then edit the file to run mysql 4 or something like that
[02:12] <rockzman> DigitalNinja where is it located on filesystem?
[02:12] <DigitalNinja> you need to make sure the start up script is going to run version 4
[02:12] <DigitalNinja> /etc/init.d
[02:12] <phaidros> ok, it seems the package delivers only /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1 ..
[02:12] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: maybe you should try it before you recommend sumthing ;)
[02:12] <DigitalNinja> Sounds to me like something either didn't get installed or the scripts are starting version 5
[02:12] <DigitalNinja> What
[02:12] <phaidros> ..
[02:13] <rockzman> but how the system shows it installed
[02:13] <rockzman> ..
[02:13] <rockzman> how can that be possible
[02:13] <DigitalNinja> I didn't recommend anything
[02:13] <DigitalNinja> Oh, I did
[02:13] <phaidros> dpkg -S mysql-server-4.1
[02:13] <DigitalNinja> I said you shouldn't install version 4
[02:13] <phaidros> see what got installed rockzman
[02:13] <DigitalNinja> =)
[02:13] <phaidros> I may put you on ignore DigitalNinja ;)
[02:14] <DigitalNinja> lol
[02:14] <rockzman> phaidros only documentation
[02:14] <phaidros> see.
[02:14] <phaidros> problem.
[02:14] <rockzman> big one
[02:14] <rockzman> mm
[02:14] <rockzman> now what should i download it from mysql.com?
[02:14] <bur[n] er> nothing from mysql.com
[02:14] <phaidros> hehe, ok. what about not using feisty? just use the system which was there before. or try debian 4.0
[02:14] <bur[n] er> why not apt-get mysql-server ?
[02:15] <phaidros> imho its crap to fiddle around on servers with software which is not in the repos
[02:15] <phaidros> bur[n] er: because mysql 4 is wanted
[02:15] <phaidros> which is not in feisty
[02:15] <phaidros> anymore
[02:15] <rockzman> phaidros
[02:15] <DigitalNinja> As it shouldn't be
[02:15] <DigitalNinja> ;)
[02:15] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: imho it should
[02:15] <rockzman> i would like to know i tried installing 6.10 server but it does not support sata kernel
[02:15] <phaidros> DigitalNinja: again: there _are_ reasons to use it still
[02:15] <rockzman> is that possible to use feisty kernel
[02:15] <rockzman> but another version
[02:15] <phaidros> yes
[02:16] <rockzman> how to
[02:16] <phaidros> should be.
[02:16] <rockzman> any tuto ?
[02:16] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: What? no sata in 6.10
[02:16] <bur[n] er> phaidros: use dapper ;)
[02:16] <rockzman> DigitalNinja yea that is why i installed the feisty
[02:16] <rockzman> :/
[02:16] <phaidros> bur[n] er: yeah rockzman just asks for it :)
[02:16] <DigitalNinja> I installed 6.0 on sata raid
[02:16] <DigitalNinja> it should work just fine
[02:16] <bur[n] er> oh oh... rockzman, why not transition to mysql5, that's not possible?
[02:16] <rockzman> DigitalNinja i get that error that the cd cant be found
[02:16] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[02:17] <phaidros> rockzman: edgy has all mysql4 packages, just looked at my servers
[02:17] <rockzman> bur[n] er acculey i would like to install mysql4 on feistyu
[02:17] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: Is this a sata CD drive or IDE drive
[02:17] <rockzman> could you guys guide me on mysql.com so we give a try
[02:17] <rockzman> ide
[02:17] <DigitalNinja> rockzman: The CD could be bad
[02:17] <DigitalNinja> Compiling mysql is a bit tricky
[02:17] <rockzman> phaidros mmm
[02:17] <phaidros> rockzman: try edgy, please. or better: try mysql5 with transition and show that it works
[02:18] <rockzman> k
[02:18] <DigitalNinja> Yup
[02:18] <rockzman> i am going to give a shot
[02:18] <rockzman> on edgy
[02:18] <rockzman> w8
[02:18] <DigitalNinja> Follow phaidros instructions
[02:18] <DigitalNinja> I'm out
[02:18] <DigitalNinja> hope it works rockzman
[02:18] <phaidros> edgy: p   mysql-server-4.1                - mysql database server binaries
[02:18] <phaidros> its in the repos there. ^^^^ rockzman
[02:18] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[02:18] <rockzman> yea phaidros
[02:19] <phaidros> spenc3: sry, using nano here
[02:19] <phaidros> btw, anyone knows a good ruby ide?
[02:19] <tgm4883> spenc3, is it giving you an error?
[02:19] <phaidros> or is there syntax with nano?
[02:19] <phaidros> and code completion?
[02:19] <rockzman> phaidros mysql-server-4.1_4.1.15-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[02:19] <rockzman> u meen that file
[02:19] <rockzman> ?
[02:19] <phaidros> and atuo-code?
[02:20] <phaidros> rockzman: I don't know the file name, I just asked apt, and apt says the packages for the server binaries are there.
[02:20] <phaidros> I would install edgy if I were you.
[02:20] <phaidros> messing with distro version might not be best idea for a stable sever
[02:21] <rockzman> phaidros edgy = 6.10?
[02:21] <phaidros> erm, yes
[02:22] <phaidros> dapper was 6.04? yeah, or?
[02:22] <rockzman> phaidros this fuck*ng edgy kernel cant support said
[02:22] <PriceChild> !ohmy | rockzman
[02:22] <ubotu> rockzman: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:22] <rockzman> cant support sata*
[02:23] <rockzman> phaidros what distro would you recommend for lamp servers?
[02:23] <phaidros> maybe try to put edgy in your sources list (_not_recommended_ .. especially not for servers)
[02:23] <phaidros> lamp? I used to use dapper. switched to edgy.
[02:23] <phaidros> further I like debian, sarge or etch, deends on personal likings
[02:24] <marshall_> hey guys
[02:24] <phaidros> or go gentoo, which might take some time, but is ok.
[02:24] <phaidros> but: use gentoo only if you are sure you _want_ to use gentoo on a server, and know what that means (by effort)
[02:25] <marshall_> im getting some choppiness in totem-gstreamer and vlc. any idea why this might be? i installed ubuntu-restricted stuff
[02:25] <phaidros> I personally dislike all redhat and fedora flavours, like mandrake also
[02:25] <phaidros> marshall_: choppines?
[02:25] <marshall_> yeah phaidros
[02:26] <phaidros> hm, I'm german, dunno what choppines means, so cant help, sry
[02:26] <marshall_> lol
[02:26] <phaidros> ;)
[02:26] <marshall_> low frame rate
[02:26] <marshall_> poor playback
[02:26] <neptunepink> chopiness
[02:26] <phaidros> are you on beryl?
[02:27] <marshall_> videos that would run smooth play badly
[02:27] <marshall_> i have desktop effects enabled
[02:27] <phaidros> aiglx?
[02:27] <marshall_> yeah
[02:28] <marshall_> but i have compiz and aiglx on edgy and videos still played well
[02:28] <phaidros> yeah, same here. the accelerated video is not working then
[02:28] <phaidros> imho
[02:28] <marshall_> maybe
[02:28] <phaidros> tried mplayer with -ao gl2 ?
[02:28] <marshall_> no
[02:29] <MrFeetio> azureus keeps dumping its core, how do I change what java vm it uses( I seem to recall that fixing it in the past)
[02:29] <phaidros> try that. and then try -ao xv .. see if its different. imho xv is "disturbed" by aiglx, I'm not a pro on this, just empirical
[02:29] <marshall_> and every time i try to play some files in totem-gstreamer it asks if i want to search for the appropriate codec
[02:29] <marshall_> which would be nice if it didnt have me install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg every time i wanted to play a video
[02:29] <phaidros> marshall_: seems things changed from edgy to feisty because of proprietary codecs
[02:30] <phaidros> ehe, such I not heared before, lol
[02:30] <marshall_> ok
[02:30] <marshall_> thanks phaidros
[02:30] <phaidros> and thats not happening here
[02:30] <Clayton> hello
[02:30] <feistyman> Hey, does anyone know what we use to defrag the hardrive?
[02:30] <Clayton> I'm having issues with sound, anyone care to help?
[02:31] <phaidros> feistyman: defrag?
[02:31] <phaidros> tune2fs maybe
[02:31] <xtknight> feistyman, what filesystem?
[02:31] <feistyman> Phaidros, yes, Like they do in Windows.
[02:31] <phaidros> ok chaps, gtg and find a good ruby ide, any hints?
[02:31] <xtknight> xfs_fsr for XFS.  ext3 does not have a defrag tool, sadly.  make sure the file is fragmented.  type "sudo filefrag -v file" to get a list of extents (fragments)
[02:31] <Clayton> ruby ide?
[02:31] <Clayton> why would you spoil ruby with an IDE?
[02:32] <phaidros> Clayton: because I'm learning :D
[02:32] <Clayton> don't use an IDE then ;)
[02:32] <phaidros> hm.
[02:32] <phaidros> bloody
[02:32] <xtknight> to defrag a file you're going to have to move it from one HD to another, and back
[02:32] <Clayton> just use gedit and the terminal :P
[02:32] <Clayton> anyways, I'm having sound issues, and I have no idea what the hells going on
[02:32] <phaidros> I'd like to have code-completion :/
[02:33] <Clayton> pfft
[02:33] <Clayton> complete it yourself ;)
[02:33] <phaidros> o.O
[02:33] <feistyman> So, I'm not sure. Do we have to worry about defragging anymore?
[02:34] <phaidros> so then I gotta go through some more pragmatic chapters ;)
[02:34] <xtknight> feistyman, not really
[02:34] <xtknight> feistyman, some isolated cases, yes.  like huge flies
[02:34] <xtknight> files*
[02:34] <feistyman> ok, thanks
[02:34] <MrFeetio> omg hude flies
[02:34] <MrFeetio> huge
[02:34] <xtknight> watch out for em
[02:34] <phaidros> hude hude
[02:34] <Clayton> how huge?
[02:35] <moparisthebest> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[02:35] <moparisthebest> anyone know how to fix that error?
[02:35] <xtknight> prolly a gig or bigger..tend to have fragments.  VMs at 16 gigs have lots of fragments with ext3
[02:35] <Clayton> so does anyone want to bother helping with my sound issues, or are they just going to leave me hanging?
[02:35] <moparisthebest> I just get it with the latest kernel feisty uses
[02:35] <MrFeetio> I say any fly bigger then your fist is something to be afraid of
[02:35] <moparisthebest> if I use the older kernel from 6.10 it works fine
[02:35] <xtknight> lol
[02:36] <MrFeetio> clayton: any details?
[02:36] <phaidros> lol
[02:36] <Clayton> I get extremely faint to no sound at all even though volume is maxed
[02:36] <DanaG> remove snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe -r snd-emu10k1-synth && { /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1 ; }
[02:36] <xtknight> Clayton, define 'volume'
[02:36] <phaidros> after hibernation?
[02:36] <xtknight> master, pcm... Front ?
[02:36] <DanaG> That is creating an infinite loop for me.
[02:36] <DanaG> It shouldn't be, but it is...
[02:36] <Clayton> no no, during regular usage
[02:36] <MrFeetio> did you check all the volume choices, or just master volume
[02:36] <Clayton> all of them
[02:36] <Clayton> I'm not an idiot...
[02:36] <MrFeetio> plus some programs have built in volume
[02:36] <xtknight> then why isn't your sound working?
[02:37] <xtknight> ;P
[02:37] <MrFeetio> well I am
[02:37] <MrFeetio> I can't really help
[02:37] <phaidros> Clayton: check alsamixer, check with mplayer -ao alsa, check if speaker/ cables are correct (in case)
[02:37] <Clayton> xtknight, I don't know
[02:38] <Clayton> phaidros, I already checked alsamixer, and I'm on a laptop, so no cables
[02:38] <DanaG> Heck, even with this:
[02:38] <DanaG> remove snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1-synth
[02:38] <DanaG> it infinite-loops/
[02:38] <DanaG> .
[02:38] <DanaG> It's not obeying the "--ignore-remove" parameter.
[02:39] <neptunepink> kdm goes all suicidal when I try to log in, can someone please tell me how to make it not die?
[02:39] <MrFeetio> azureus keeps spitting out "aborted (core dumped)"
[02:40] <DanaG> Odd, it works when I ctrl-c it.
[02:40] <Clayton> god damn this sound issue is frustrating :S
[02:40] <tgm4883> clayton, dual boot?
[02:41] <Clayton> no...
[02:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:41] <tgm4883> what laptop
[02:41] <Clayton> I've got 7.04 installed, volume is maxed, and I only get a very faint if any sound
[02:41] <phaidros> Clayton: eg. I have sound problems after hibernation with thinkpad. have to shutdown (complete power off, sometimes incl. battery remove) and after new boot works again
[02:41] <phaidros> Clayton: there is sound?
[02:42] <Clayton> sometimes
[02:42] <Clayton> although it's extremely faint
[02:42] <Clayton> hold on, I'll shutdown, and take off the battery and see if that helps
[02:42] <phaidros> Clayton: feisty eg. comes with pulseaudio (replacement of esd), so please check mplayer -ao alsa file.mp3
[02:42] <phaidros> ok
[02:42] <trevbork> hey how much different is the april 19th release going to be from the beta they have out now?
[02:43] <phaidros> trevbork: 9 days difference including all updates :)
[02:43] <phaidros> trevbork: no new features just bugfixes
[02:44] <trevbork> ok, so no need to re burn the entire thing or anything?
[02:44] <trevbork> just update
[02:47] <DanaG> I don't get why this is infinite-looping.
[02:47] <DanaG> I have --ignore-remove
[02:47] <DanaG> but it's not obeying.
[02:49] <DanaG> aah, a solution for my thing:
[02:49] <DanaG> remove snd-emu10k1 if lsmod | grep -q snd_emu10k1_synth; then modprobe -r snd-emu10k1-synth; fi; modprobe -i -r snd-emu10k1
[02:50] <phaidros> congrats DanaG !
[02:50] <calamari> hi
[02:50] <aman> i've installed beryl on my computer but when i try to start it i get the splash-screen and the it crashes
[02:51] <calamari> anyone been able to get the nvidia-glx package driver to work?
[02:51] <aman> can anyone help me
[02:52] <DanaG> That issue was to be able to modprobe -r snd-emu10k1 without it choking on the -synth being loaded.
[02:52] <DanaG> THIS thing is to make it load a soundfont:
[02:52] <DanaG> install snd-emu10k1-synth /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1-synth $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /usr/bin/sfxload ct2mgm.sf2 ; }
[02:52] <DanaG> you have to have sfxload installed, and that sf2 file in /usr/share/sounds/sf2
[02:53] <DanaG> Oh, is there a way to make .asoundrc do
[02:54] <DanaG> I want plug:surround51 to route to :1 if it is present, else go to :0.
[02:55] <rockzman> phaidros
[02:55] <rockzman> can you support me
[02:55] <rockzman> ?
[02:56] <rockzman> can anyone help me out?
[02:56] <Clayton> phairdros, here's the thing, headphones work fine, but the actual speakers don't
[02:57] <Clayton> phaidros*
[02:58] <phaidros> Clayton: phew, sounds hardware problem .. or maybe look in alsamixer for the headphones switch
[02:58] <phaidros> rockzman: wazzup?
[02:58] <rockzman> phaidros i got the binary
[02:58] <rockzman> from mysql.com
[02:59] <Clayton> I'm wondering if maybe it's a driver issue or something for a connection, because these speakers were working fine before I installed Feisty earlier tonight, and I was having no problems with 6.10
[02:59] <phaidros> rockzman: which binary?
[02:59] <phaidros> rockzman: I cannot support you on installing non-repo stuff, sry.
[02:59] <DanaG> Hmm, it wants s24_3le
[03:00] <phaidros> DanaG: ?
[03:00] <Clayton> anyone have any experience with eclipse?
[03:02] <phaidros> Clayton: checked the mixer switch?
[03:02] <DanaG> Or "at" c r i m s u n, but I don't need to ping {him, her} (I haven't paid attention to _which of the two_ fits).
[03:03] <Clayton> phaidros, yep
[03:03] <phaidros> hmmmmm
[03:03] <DanaG> What's yer sound card?
[03:03] <rockzman> phaidros http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14803/
[03:04] <rockzman> how do i fix that
[03:04] <phaidros> rockzman: does /usr/local/mysql/data/ exist and has mysql sufficiant permission to write there?
[03:04] <rockzman> phaidros how do i set this permission
[03:05] <phaidros> rockzman: man chmod
[03:05] <fowlduck> anyone know the release date off-hand?
[03:05] <Clayton> phaidros, found it :D
[03:05] <fowlduck> this month, right?
[03:05] <phaidros> 19.
[03:05] <fowlduck> thanks
[03:05] <phaidros> Clayton: what was it?
[03:05] <phaidros> rockzman: plus man chown
[03:06] <phaidros> rockzman: if you are paid for setting up a server you should better know what permission are and how to fix them to your needs :/
[03:06] <Clayton> phaidros, surround sound option :S
[03:06] <phaidros> Clayton: hehe, in the mixer?? didn't see that one yet
[03:06] <Clayton> and it isn't controllable by my laptop's built-in sound control (the buttons)
[03:06] <rockzman> phaidros ubuntu servers are crap /:
[03:06] <Clayton> phaidros, yeah, it's a hidden one that I had to open up, go figure
[03:07] <tgm4883> my server's fine
[03:07] <tgm4883> seems like a pebcak error
[03:07] <mzuverink> Can I safely edit out kde apps from gnome and gnome apps from kde w/o causing harm?
[03:07] <Clayton> either way phaidros, thanks for the attempt at help
[03:07] <phaidros> rockzman: well, if you put third arty software into an repository oriented system you should have to know what you do
[03:07] <phaidros> mzuverink: edit out?
[03:07] <DanaG> Oh, you can set which sliders the volume control in Gnome sets.
[03:07] <DanaG> In fact, you can select MULTIPLE sliders, and it'll keep them matching.
[03:07] <phaidros> Clayton: glad it helped :) ehe, sometimes its just good to talk about
[03:08] <phaidros> DanaG: nice eh?
[03:08] <Clayton> yeah
[03:08] <phaidros> tgm4883: ACK
[03:08] <Clayton> I probably would've found it eventually, just probably not as fast, thanks again :D
[03:08] <mzuverink> with (ala carte, old name) anf krnuedit
[03:09] <phaidros> Clayton: I don't have that surround thing in alsamixer .. *wondering
[03:09] <mzuverink> phaidros, from each others menues
[03:09] <Clayton> phaidros, no?
[03:09] <Clayton> go to Edit -> Preferences
[03:09] <Clayton> find the checkbox with it
[03:09] <Clayton> *should* be there
[03:10] <Clayton> it should be called "Surround"
[03:10] <mzuverink> phaidros, i just want gnome apps in gnome and kde in kde menues
[03:11] <phaidros> Clayton: must be a soundcard feature then eh?
[03:11] <phaidros> mzuverink: dunno about that, but as its only menus shouldn;t be a problem
[03:11] <Clayton> I guess
[03:11] <Clayton> I'm not sure what to say to that
[03:12] <mzuverink> kk, thanks
[03:12] <efface> i am having an issue where if i reboot my comp, when it loads X, it fails, so i have to modprobe nvidia and then load X for it to work
[03:12] <Clayton> I mean, it's only a two speaker setup, albeit it's stereo, but what two speaker setup isn't?
[03:12] <efface> i believe its trying to load an older nvidia module
[03:12] <phaidros> Clayton: hm, laptop with surround soundcard and no buttons for that .. what brand might that be ?
[03:12] <efface> how do i solve this
[03:12] <DanaG> Dell?
[03:12] <Clayton> phaidros, there's buttons for it... they just change "Front" sound
[03:12] <DanaG> That's the only one thing that's ever made me wish I had a Dell.
[03:13] <Clayton> lol
[03:13] <Clayton> it's not a Dell :P
[03:13] <phaidros> efface: put nvidia into /etc/modules
[03:13] <DanaG> Or Asus.
[03:13] <phaidros> then its acer!
[03:13] <DanaG> My laptop has onboard (but damn good for onboard) 2-channel STAC9250.
[03:13] <phaidros> or sony
[03:13] <Clayton> nope
[03:13] <Clayton> none of the above
[03:13] <Clayton> but keep guessing, 'tis a good game :P
[03:13] <phaidros> hmmm, no thnkpad imho
[03:13] <Clayton> nope, not a thinkpad, although it'd be nice to have one to kick around :P
[03:13] <phaidros> so HP or samsung are left
[03:14] <DanaG> Then I wouldn't have had to get my Cardbus Audigy.
[03:14] <phaidros> Clayton: yeah thinkpad is fun
[03:14] <Clayton> still haven't got it phaidros
[03:14] <phaidros> DanaG: I'm not convinced to pulseaudio ..
[03:14] <phaidros> had some issues
[03:14] <phaidros> and how does it like jack?
[03:15] <DanaG> Annoying flash with sound, that's gotten past Adblock Plus?  Hit mute -- I have it set to mute only the onboard.
[03:15] <phaidros> Clayton: hehe, sry dunno and I should better get learn some, lol
[03:15] <DanaG> My music and videos go to offboard.
[03:15] <Clayton> phaidros, it's an MDG Visionbook :P
[03:15] <phaidros> DanaG: do you use jack sometimes?
[03:15] <phaidros> Clayton: lol, never heared of MDG :)
[03:15] <DanaG> s/used/ever used/
[03:15] <Clayton> 'tis actually quite a decent little machine :D
[03:15] <Clayton> phaidros, it's Canadian
[03:16] <Clayton> running Beryl on it and it's not even warm :)
[03:17] <phaidros> DanaG: hm, jack is nice though and it bites with pulseaudio somehow :/
[03:18] <ajmorris_> is frostwire no longer in ubuntu's standard repos?
[03:18] <phaidros> ajmorris_: whatis frostwire?
[03:18] <ajmorris_> a port of limewire for linux
[03:18] <neptunepink> I'm sure SOMEONE out their knows what's wrong with my poor, sick kdm, and can help it....
[03:18] <ajmorris_> neptunepink, what happens with your kdm?
[03:18] <phaidros> neptunepink: me not, I'm on gdm :/
[03:19] <ajmorris_> anyone know any repos for frostwire or a similar application?
[03:19] <neptunepink> ajmorris_: it crashes and shows the startup-thing when I try to login
[03:20] <ajmorris_> sorry what startup-thing are you talking about?
[03:20] <ajmorris_> there are lots
[03:20] <neptunepink> usplash?
[03:20] <phaidros> any ideas why jack doesntt start in realtime mode anymore?
[03:20] <neptunepink> the one with the pretty blue progress bar
[03:20] <ajmorris_> upslash kk
[03:21] <neptunepink> and it does that for every session type
[03:21] <ajmorris_> have you tried installing GDM and then running KDE through that
[03:21] <neptunepink> no, but I guess that would work...
[03:21] <ajmorris_> although if they havn't fixed the bug yet if you run KDE with GDM you won't get all the shutdown buttons
[03:22] <ajmorris_> but they may have fixed it
[03:22] <ajmorris_> neptunepink, do you know how to install GDM without logging in?
[03:22] <neptunepink> yeah, I can get k up with a bunch of cryptic commands and dark rituals...
[03:22] <ajmorris_> lol
[03:22] <ajmorris_> yeah
[03:23] <neptunepink> though I generally don't allow any gnomes to play around my laptop. >:(
[03:23] <ajmorris_> lol
[03:24] <neptunepink> what about xdm?
[03:26] <ajmorris_> yeah you could use that too
[03:26] <neptunepink> how can I get the package configuration thing back?
[03:26] <moparisthebest> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[03:26] <moparisthebest> anyone know how to fix that error?
[03:26] <aman> can anyone help me? I try to install beryl on ubuntu, but I cant get it to work.. I need to edit a file but i cant get access
[03:26] <moparisthebest> I just get it with the latest kernel feisty uses
[03:26] <moparisthebest> if I use the older kernel from 6.10 it works fine
[03:27] <ajmorris_> neptunepink, can you login to a terminal? if not restart and choose the recovery session kernel
[03:27] <ajmorris_> then when in the terminal type: sudo apt-get install gdm/xdm (whichever one your installing)
[03:27] <neptunepink> ajmorris_: I already installed xdm :b
[03:27] <ajmorris_> oh
[03:27] <ajmorris_> sorry
[03:28] <ajmorris_> so what package configuration thing do you want back?
[03:30] <neptunepink> the one I just got when installing xdm, it gives a choice about which ?dm to use
[03:30] <ajmorris_> did you choose xdm? because that is just part of the installation. You can change which one you are using through the config file
[03:31] <ajmorris_> i don't remember where the config file is but i am finding it :)
[03:32] <bur[n] er> neptunepink: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:33] <rubix> hey i just updated to fiesty and now my graphics card drivers aren't being loaded, i use nvidia-glx package and i'm pretty sure its because the module loaded isn't synced with my driver version or backwards
[03:33] <rubix> yea, i will try to reconfigure x real fast (even though that wasn't for me)
[03:34] <neptunepink> bur[n] er: I did xdm, and it worked, thanks ajmorris_
[03:34] <ajmorris_> neptunepink, bur[n] er's way works aswell but also if that ever fails for some unnknow reason. you can edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:35] <rubix> it says "fatal server error, no screens found"
[03:37] <efface> dmraid shows the two disks with my stripe raid....but when i run dmraid -ay -v i check in /dev/mapper and they raid isnt listed there, any ideas?
[03:38] <rubix> seems i have 2 sets of nvidia drivers installed
[03:39] <rubix> i have nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy installed, think that is the conflict?
 snowskater,  ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:39] <snowskater> ops
[03:40] <snowskater> Hi i was wondering if you can install Flash on ubuntu feisty?
[03:42] <rubix> what is the latest kernel version
[03:43] <snowskater> 64 bit
[03:44] <Ashbringer> Hello, I am unable to see text terminals, play games in cedega or resize my screen res in the "nvidia X server settings" app. I believe that this is the result of a broken xrandr, and when I type xrandr, I get a segfault. I am running Feisty on an AMD64. Does anyone else have this problem or know how I could fix it?
[03:44] <neptunepink> yay, xdm works, it's butt-ugly, shows the wrong logo, and doesn't have a menu for failsafe that I can see, but I am pleased.
[03:44] <xtknight> Ashbringer, have you tried reinstalling xrandr?
[03:45] <Ashbringer> xtknight: no, I havne't, though I haven't tried to hard, past that. I'll find the package and try that.
[03:46] <Ashbringer> xtknight: just couldn't bring yourself to help a feisty user in #ubuntu, could you? ;)
[03:46] <xtknight> against my religion
[03:46] <xtknight> ;P
[03:46] <xtknight> Ashbringer, sudo dpkg --purge xrandr && sudo apt-get install xrandr
[03:46] <Ashbringer> Also, on launchpad, there are a lot of other people with the same problem
[03:46] <xtknight> ehh well i'll help you help them fix it
[03:46] <xtknight> if that makes any sense
[03:47] <misfit_toy> I want a pony! ;)
[03:47] <misfit_toy> ouch, sheesh, at least it was a small one
[03:47] <Ashbringer> hm, apparently I can't do that because its a dependancy of xbase-clients.
[03:47] <xtknight> Ashbringer, sudo dpkg --force-all --purge xrandr && sudo apt-get install xrandr
[03:48] <xtknight> wont matter ^
[03:48] <xtknight> it wont uninstall the deps
[03:48] <Ashbringer> alright
[03:49] <xtknight> typing `xrandr` segfaults?
[03:49] <misfit_toy> does anyone know if the release on the 12th will include the "new" nvidia-legacy drivers? I'm in no hurry but... grrr... heheh
[03:49] <xtknight> 19th
[03:50] <Ashbringer> yrah
[03:50] <xtknight> legacy as in 7xxx?
[03:50] <Ashbringer> **yeah
[03:50] <Ashbringer> xtknight: it segfaults
[03:50] <Ashbringer> and after reinstallation...
[03:50] <xtknight> Ashbringer, type "ltrace xrandr"
[03:50] <Ashbringer> it still segfaults
[03:50] <xtknight> ltrace will help you tell where though
[03:50] <misfit_toy> xtknight, as in whatever they will be update to, I have heard they might be 8xxx
[03:50] <Ashbringer> only 4 lines
[03:50] <xtknight> misfit_toy, oh i have no idea
[03:50] <Ashbringer> __libc_start_main(0x401000, 1, 0x7fffa1473bb8, 0x401e10, 0x401e00 <unfinished ...>
[03:50] <Ashbringer> XOpenDisplay(NULL)                                                                               = 0x503010
[03:50] <Ashbringer> XRRGetScreenInfo(0x503010, 342, 0, 1, 0xfefefefefefefeff <unfinished ...>
[03:50] <Ashbringer> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
[03:50] <Ashbringer> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
[03:51] <xtknight> k
[03:51] <xtknight> Ashbringer, are you running beryl or any xgl/compiz you know what i mean?
[03:51] <Ashbringer> no, I'm on metacity
[03:51] <xtknight> what video driver are you running?
[03:51] <Ashbringer> I'm using the nvidia binary driver version 9755
[03:51] <xtknight> post your xorg.conf if you would
[03:51] <Ashbringer> sure
[03:51] <Ashbringer> !pastebin
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[03:51] <bur[n] er> just use nv or get nvidia-glx-legacy now
[03:52] <xtknight> except when nv crashes all new nvidia cards
[03:52] <misfit_toy> lol, wow, hasn't happened to me!
[03:52] <Ashbringer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14807/
[03:52] <xtknight> hardly any 6xxx/7xxx work with it
[03:52] <xtknight> :\
[03:53] <Ashbringer> yeah, nv doesn't really do much for me
[03:53] <Ashbringer> and it hasn't caught up to 9755
[03:53] <misfit_toy> 32mb, woohoo
[03:53] <Ashbringer> I play WoW.
[03:53] <xtknight> Ashbringer, feisty / nvidia 9755 / i386 here
[03:53] <misfit_toy> but this runs beryl just ine
[03:53] <misfit_toy> *fine
[03:53] <xtknight> im not having xrandr problems
[03:54] <xtknight> xinerama..wonder if that's it
[03:54] <Ashbringer> yeah, I don't have that either
[03:54] <Ashbringer> ever since ... I think about a month ago, I havne't been able to see tty1-6
[03:54] <Ashbringer> and dualscreening has been a bitch
[03:54] <xtknight> heh that hapepns to me sometimes too hmm
[03:54] <xtknight> only on the livecd once tho
[03:54] <xtknight> Ashbringer, try taking the xinerama out of your config and try xrandr ??
[03:55] <Ashbringer> alright, hold up
[03:55] <roy_> my mouse scroll wheel is not working can someone help me
[03:55] <Ashbringer> set the flag to 0, right?
[03:55] <Beta> I need help getting DVD play back to work.
[03:55] <xtknight> Ashbringer, i would just try removing the whole block so it equals my config
[03:56] <Ashbringer> the server flags block?
[03:56] <xtknight> yes
[03:56] <Ashbringer> okay, its gone
[03:56] <xtknight> ctrl alt bkspc etc
[03:56] <Beta> ....DVD playback?
[03:56] <Ashbringer> see you in a bit
[03:56] <xtknight> !dvd
[03:56] <xtknight> k
[03:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:56] <Ashbringer> Beta: be more specific
[03:56] <Beta> Did that already. It won't play back.
[03:57] <Beta> At all.
[03:57] <Beta> Says the stream is unformated.
[03:57] <efface> having some issues with dmraid, i run dmraid -ay -v, go to the folder /dev/mapper and nothing listed there like there should be, if i run dmraid -r, it lists the two drives i use for my strip raid
[03:57] <neptunepink> whoa, launchpad turned green....
[03:59] <Ashbringer> still segfaults
[03:59] <xtknight> Ashbringer, type "sudo xrandr"  same thing?
[03:59] <Ashbringer> oh wiat
[03:59] <Ashbringer> it doens't, my bad
[03:59] <Ashbringer> everything is fine
[04:00] <Beta> Do I need the css2 to play DVDs?
[04:00] <Ashbringer> Beta: probably, and its good to have
[04:00] <Beta> Ok.
[04:00] <Ashbringer> holyf*ck it works
[04:00] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[04:00] <xtknight> seems to be a problem in xinerama (Xserver extension).  `ltrace xrandr` again and compare the first few lines
[04:01] <roy_> can anyone help me my mouse scroll wheel not working
[04:01] <xtknight> and see if the people on launchpad also have Xinerama enabled
[04:01] <Ashbringer> looks the same, it just starts
[04:01] <Ashbringer> I'm going to go do that
[04:01] <xtknight> the same?
[04:01] <Ashbringer> about
[04:01] <xtknight> ya i need to look at specifics tho
[04:01] <Ashbringer> I think I may have lost the broken trace...
[04:01] <xtknight> i got it
[04:01] <xtknight> saw where it failed
[04:01] <Ashbringer> thanks
[04:02] <xtknight> i need the 5 lines of your working one (pastebin or here i guess0
[04:02] <xtknight> first 5*
[04:02] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[04:02] <xtknight> Ashbringer, i am going to try and enable xinerama and see if i have the same problems, also
[04:03] <Ashbringer> okay
[04:04] <xtknight> about the trace... ?
[04:04] <Ashbringer> oh, I'm sorry
[04:04] <Ashbringer> here
[04:04] <roy_> Section "InputDevice"
[04:04] <roy_>     Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
[04:04] <roy_>     Driver         "mouse"
[04:04] <roy_>     Option         "CorePointer"
[04:04] <roy_>     Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[04:04] <roy_>     Option         "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
[04:04] <roy_>     Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[04:04] <Beta> How do I get libdvdcss2?
[04:04] <roy_>     Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[04:04] <roy_> EndSection
[04:04] <xtknight> !pastebin
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[04:05] <Ashbringer> ltrace xrandr
[04:05] <Ashbringer> __libc_start_main(0x401000, 1, 0x7fff52c7e018, 0x401e10, 0x401e00 <unfinished ...>
[04:05] <Ashbringer> XOpenDisplay(NULL)                                                                               = 0x503010
[04:05] <Ashbringer> XRRGetScreenInfo(0x503010, 342, 0, 1, 0xfefefefefefefeff)                                        = 0x508100
[04:05] <Ashbringer> XRRConfigCurrentConfiguration(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de2e, 0, -1, 1)                                = 0
[04:05] <Ashbringer> XRRConfigSizes(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de28, 0, -1, 1)                                               = 0x508148
[04:05] <Ashbringer> XRRConfigCurrentRate(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de28, 0, -1, 1)                                         = 50
[04:05] <Ashbringer> puts(" SZ:    Pixels          Physical"... SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
[04:05] <Beta> Pastebin people!
[04:05] <roy_> sorry
[04:05] <Beta> ITs ok.
[04:05] <Ashbringer> so, at least one of the other people on launchpad has xinerama enabled
[04:06] <xtknight> Ashbringer, last trace crashes within XRRGetScreenInfo()
[04:07] <xtknight> k let me try and reproduce
[04:07] <bur[n] er> Ashbringer: by chance did your tty's come back with kernel -14?
[04:07] <Beta> !dvd
[04:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:07] <Ashbringer> no, actually, they're still gone. I switched out of my custom-compiled kernel, too.
[04:08] <Beta> What is a demuxer
[04:08] <roy_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14809/
[04:08] <xtknight> Beta, a filter in a media player chain that demultiplexes (splits) a source into video and audio streams
[04:09] <Ashbringer> xtknight: is this another "feature" of bullet-proof x?
[04:09] <Beta> What do I need for gxine to work then?
[04:09] <xtknight> Ashbringer, hrm, the segfault a feature ?
[04:09] <Pumpernickel> What do I have to do to get a microphone to work with an ICH5 chipset?  I've only managed to 'record' silence, so far.
[04:09] <xtknight> Beta, ii dont know :P
[04:09] <Beta> .....Thanks anyways.
[04:10] <xtknight> could help but im a bit busy right now
[04:10] <Ashbringer> xtknight: hm, now that I think about it, no, but it keeps letting my X run without anything, and I have to find weird ways of crashing it to update my drivers
[04:10] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: what chipset exactly?
[04:10] <xtknight> lol
[04:10] <Beta> ....Any other ideas?
[04:10] <xtknight> brb
[04:10] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: It's an Intel ICH5.
[04:10] <Pumpernickel> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:11] <Ashbringer> what do you see in alsamixer?
[04:11] <Pumpernickel> A lot... you want the entire list?
[04:11] <Ashbringer> it shouldn't be a list.
[04:11] <xtknight>  Ashbringer  it segfaulted
[04:11] <Pumpernickel> It isn't.
[04:11] <xtknight> $ xrandr
[04:11] <xtknight> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:12] <Ashbringer> woot, so we know what that is then, do we?
[04:12] <Pumpernickel> It's a bunch of sliders.
[04:12] <xtknight> multi architecture too
[04:12] <Ashbringer> xtknight: just great
[04:12] <xtknight> i'm going to try and debug this.  feisty guys have a ton of bugs and they need help
[04:12] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: yes, describe what the ones under capture look like
[04:12] <Pumpernickel> ah
[04:14] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: found your problem?
[04:15] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1893/alsamixerva9.png
[04:15] <xtknight> Ashbringer, is your second screen up and working?  mine isn't atm
[04:16] <Ashbringer> xtknight: I don't have it on right now, I only use that at school, sorry
[04:16] <xtknight> Ashbringer, i have a multi-input lcd here and only one input is showing.  i wondered if that was the problem, maybe both ned to be showing.
[04:16] <xtknight> ah
[04:16] <neonlinux> hey all.. in a spot of trouble.. anyone know of a gui wifi manager?
[04:16] <xtknight> network-manager
[04:16] <Ashbringer> neonlinux: sudo apt-get install kwifimanager
[04:16] <magic_ninja> hello, i just updated to feisty and now my graphics card drivers aren't loading
[04:16] <magic_ninja> anyone got suggestions
[04:16] <xtknight> The XRandR X extension was not found.  This extension must be supported by the X server and enabled for display configuration settings to be dynamically applicable.
[04:17] <Ashbringer> did you just get that?
[04:17] <neonlinux> Ashbringer: tried that.. it says my card is disabled...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Ashbringer: kwifimanager sucks.
[04:17] <neonlinux> and then it turns it off and wont turn back on
[04:17] <xtknight> Ashbringer, it happens in nvidia-settings when trying to enable the second display and pressing Apply
[04:17] <magic_ninja> how can i list my installed packages using the string "nvidia" as a filter
[04:17] <neonlinux> xtknight: using kde so i havent tried that one
[04:17] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: you should tell us the hardware you are using
[04:17] <xtknight> Ashbringer, xrandr is probably crashing because the function that returns a handle to the Xrandr extension is returning a NULL, and then the next function tries to operate on a NULL and segfaults since memory address 0 is inaccessible in userland..
[04:18] <neonlinux> xtknight: would it be sudo apt-get install network-manager?
[04:18] <xtknight> in other words it doesn't handle errors properly.  but the root of the problem seems to be that Xinerama and Xrandr don't work together
[04:18] <xtknight> neonlinux, yes or kwifi..
[04:18] <Ashbringer> magic_ninja: search in synaptic on the installed packages tab
[04:18] <Ashbringer> xtknight: well, we know the problem at least
[04:18] <magic_ninja> fowlduck its just an nvidia card
[04:18] <neonlinux> ok thanks.. ill try that now :)
[04:19] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: specific questions get specific answers.  Ashbringer's response is what you should expect with general questions.
[04:20] <alindeman> I upgraded to 7.04 .. maybe not the best idea, but hopefully this is a simple enough problem .. my resolution/screen size is pretty screwed up .. the screen doesn't stretch all the way to the right and "wraps around" the bottom.  Picture: http://pics.adml.info/v/spring07thirteenthweekmsu/DSCF1765.JPG.html
[04:20] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: if it's really old nvidia it may have need specific legacy kernel drivers
[04:20] <Ashbringer> xtknight: why does it return a null?
[04:20] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: and googling your model of car with ubuntu feisty may turn up issues, tips, and tricks
[04:20] <Apollo101> iam using kubuntu. i just restored a backuped image of hdb2. at boot it says 'failed to open journal device. unknow block 0.0. ext3 journal in .... something.  and its not mounting.   what can i do? (i think the backup i made didnt supported linux partitions
[04:20] <fowlduck> card*
[04:20] <xtknight> Ashbringer, the handle to Xrandr is invalid because the extension could not be loaded
[04:21] <magic_ninja> fowlduck, yea thats nice and all but i don't have any x bro
[04:21] <xtknight> all thru-out my logs it says Randr enabled, though
[04:21] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: lspci
[04:21] <Ashbringer> xtknight: well, it seems to be, we just can't do anything with it
[04:21] <magic_ninja> fowlduck and its also easier to ask in here real fast before googling in text mode
[04:21] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: if you can't use lspci then sudo apt-get install pciutils
[04:22] <magic_ninja> well the driver is installed fowlduck
[04:22] <magic_ninja> fowlduck rev a3 it says
[04:22] <xtknight> xrandr.c  ln 209, invalid pointer returned here:       sc = XRRGetScreenInfo (dpy, root);
[04:22] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: if you need to temporarily reconfigure x to use generic drivers so you can locate a solution, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:22] <magic_ninja> fowlduck i believe the poper kernel mod for 15-generic isn't installed
[04:22] <Apollo101> any one?
[04:23] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: can you give me the model of your card and I'll google it for you?
[04:23] <Apollo101> helo..
[04:23] <magic_ninja> ok working on it
[04:23] <Apollo101> can any one see me
[04:24] <xtknight> actually not quite an invalid pointer, it fails within the function
[04:24] <fowlduck> Apollo101: I can see you
[04:24] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: Still with me?
[04:25] <magic_ninja> fowlduck well noting
[04:25] <Apollo101> fowlduck how do i look ? :)
[04:25] <Apollo101> well no one can help me. i gues
[04:26] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: nothing?
[04:26] <xtknight> Ashbringer, the bug is in libxrandr2 i believe
[04:26] <magic_ninja> no
[04:27] <Apollo101>  how can i repair a kubuntu installation. with live cd?
[04:28] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: hmm, it seems that there are massive nvidia driver issues in feisty
[04:28] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: sorry, I was distracted. Say again?
[04:29] <fowlduck> I'm looking at a bug report for linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20
[04:29] <Ashbringer> xtknight: woot, I'll get the source of that
[04:29] <Tom47_> i upgraded to feisty and added the medibuntu repos ..... is that all thats needed o get the multimedia wizards working?
[04:29] <magic_ninja> i believe that i am missing the restricted modules for my kernel version
[04:29] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: sudo apt-cache search linux-restricted
[04:30] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: Mic problem, ICH5 chipset, you wanted alsamixer capture settings, which I took a screenshot of. http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1893/alsamixerva9.png
[04:31] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: use `uname -a` to find your kernel version and install the appropriate restricted modules
[04:31] <magic_ninja> fowlduck i'm d/ling what i need bro
[04:31] <Tom47_> !wizards
[04:31] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: oh, yes. the IEC958 is a switch, correct?
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wizards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:31] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: cool
[04:31] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: sorry i'm such an ass
[04:31] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: Yes.
[04:31] <xtknight> Ashbringer, do you know C/C++?
[04:31] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: have you tried turning it on? Also, which mic is selected in sound recorder
[04:32] <Ashbringer> xtknight: yes
[04:32] <xtknight> cool
[04:32] <xtknight> this is my first time debugging a lib but ill see what i can do
[04:32] <Tom47_> are codecs discussed here?  if not, where are they discussed please???
[04:32] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: if you have an email address I can email you the bug so you can look at it.  It appears that nvidia drivers are pretty well screwed as of 4/7/07
[04:32] <xtknight> i think i can print to somewhere to help debug it and print out variables/pointers etc
[04:32] <xtknight> klog (dmesg) maybe
[04:32] <xtknight> but libs dont really have stdout so it's gonna be hard
[04:32] <Ashbringer> xtknight: to tell you the truth, more c++, but I think I could look at this
[04:32] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: not all, but much of them are messed up by the fact there are three trees
[04:32] <xtknight> or ill have to make something really cheese
[04:32] <magic_ninja> fowlduck na u told me just wat i was looking for from the start
[04:32] <xtknight> cheesy*
[04:32] <Ashbringer> xtknight: yeah, I would suggest that.
[04:32] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: ?
[04:32] <xtknight> more C here
[04:33] <xtknight> good combo i guess
[04:33] <magic_ninja> fowlduck cept i used 'uname -r'
[04:33] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: yeah, uname -a just gives you everything
[04:33] <Ashbringer> xtknight: yeah, that seems to be more helpful in *nix system programming. I'm trying to switch.
[04:33] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: again, sorry i'm such an ass, good luck with that
[04:33] <xtknight> Ashbringer,  apt-get source libxrandr2
[04:33] <xtknight> if you weren't aware
[04:33] <Ashbringer> xtknight: already did
[04:33] <Ashbringer> xtknight: what function was it in again?
[04:34] <magic_ninja> rebooting
[04:34] <xtknight> ./src/XrrConfig.c "XRRScreenConfiguration *XRRGetScreenInfo (Display *dpy, Window window)"  (line 345)
[04:34] <xtknight> crashes within that
[04:34] <xtknight> before the function is finished, an invalid part of memory is accessed
[04:34] <fowlduck> bah, i managed to alienate someone while bending over backwards helping them
[04:34] <xtknight> prolly bad pointer within it
[04:35] <fowlduck> that takes some skill
[04:37] <rubix> fowlduck didn't work
[04:37] <Pumpernickel> Ashbringer: Enabling it made vumeter hang on startup, and made sound recorder act extremely oddly as well.
[04:38] <rubix> darn, this isn't workin at all
[04:38] <Ashbringer> Pumpernickel: well, we're on to something then.
[04:38] <fowlduck> rubix: what?
[04:38] <fowlduck> rubix: oh, you're magic_ninja?
[04:39] <rubix> whats xen-restricted-modules
[04:39] <Ashbringer> xtknight: this is a library, and just that, right? What gets passed to dpy?
[04:39] <xtknight> Ashbringer, dots per inch i think
[04:39] <fowlduck> rubix: it's modules for doing xen virtualization
[04:39] <xtknight> oh no...Display
[04:39] <fowlduck> rubix: not what you need
[04:39] <xtknight> Ashbringer, yea i think so
[04:39] <fowlduck> rubix: at least, not immediately
[04:39] <xtknight> Ashbringer, it should just be a library
[04:39] <Ashbringer> xtknight: yeah, where is this called, in xrandr?
[04:39] <xtknight> Ashbringer, XRRGetScreenInfo() it's in int main
[04:39] <xtknight> xrandr.c
[04:40] <xtknight> got my horribly cheesy debug mechanism working
[04:40] <alindeman> Haha, dang it, I'm back: any idea why my right mouse button isn't registering in X anymore?  I've tried with both 3 button emulation on and off .. just upgraded to Fiesty ...
[04:41] <Ashbringer> xtknight: oh, woot.
[04:41] <xtknight> writes to /home/andy/XrrDebug in the middle of the library
[04:41] <Ashbringer> nice
[04:41] <Ashbringer> xtknight: getting anything?
[04:42] <xtknight> sec
[04:42] <xtknight> ok
[04:42] <magic_ninja> fowlduck it says "no device found" on the xserver error output
[04:42] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: erg
[04:42] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: did you check out lspci?
[04:42] <magic_ninja> yea
[04:42] <Tom47_> ?me wonders if this is a forbidden subject and if so will stop being a nuisance if someone will just tell me
[04:42] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: and it didn't find it either?
[04:42] <xtknight> Ashbringer, it's crashing in here now "config = _XRRGetScreenInfo(dpy, info, window);"  in <_XRRGetScreenInfo()>.  line ~359 libxrandr-1.2.0/src/XrrConfig.c
[04:43] <Ashbringer> line 359?
[04:43] <Ashbringer> that's whitespace for me...
[04:43] <xtknight> prolly a bit below or above, ive added debug code
[04:43] <Ashbringer> yeah, okay
[04:43] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: could you try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` and configure it using the generic vesa driver.  Give that a shot and see if at least that much will work.
[04:43] <Ashbringer> what's on the line for you?
[04:44] <xtknight> "config = _XRRGetScreenInfo.."
[04:44] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: or just use vga if you'd like
[04:44] <Ashbringer> ah
[04:44] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: but that will tell us if it's working at all
[04:44] <Ashbringer> so that's where it gets NULL then?
[04:44] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: wait, that made no sense
[04:44] <xtknight> well it is crashing within _XRRGetScreenInfo
[04:44] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: of course it's working
[04:44] <xtknight> not sure yet
[04:44] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: disregard my nonsense
[04:44] <Ashbringer> alright then
[04:44] <magic_ninja> back sorry
[04:46] <netrat> hello this may be a dumb question, but if I upgrade 6.10 to 7.04Beta what will I have to do when 7.04 is released as stable?
[04:46] <Ashbringer> is that function returning NULL?
[04:46] <xtknight> hmm it's not finishing
[04:46] <xtknight> crashes before it returns
[04:46] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: does lspci find the device or not?
[04:46] <xtknight> so i'm goig inside it
[04:46] <Ashbringer> beautiful
[04:46] <misfit_toy> netrat, just regular updates
[04:46] <magic_ninja> xtknight do you get 3 screen flickers with your crash?
[04:46] <xtknight> magic_ninja, what crash >?
[04:46] <magic_ninja> fowlduck yes it returns it just fine
[04:47] <netrat> misfit_toy: thanks! just what i wanted to hear
[04:47] <magic_ninja> xtknight you having x problems on startup too?
[04:47] <xtknight> magic_ninja, naw debugging something else
[04:47] <misfit_toy> netrat, it will update your repos so you will always be current.
[04:48] <magic_ninja> fowlduck lspci finds the device fine...let me get some of the debugging output
[04:48] <magic_ninja> fowlduck mind if i just send u the debugging output
[04:49] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: actually, sure, if you can just get me the line that lists the nvidia card on lspci, that would be fantastic
[04:50] <Ashbringer> alright xt, I have to go now, I don't think I was being much help anyways
[04:50] <Ashbringer> good luck
[04:50] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: I'm looking at a list of cards that were recently dropped in the newest nvidia drivers in ubuntu, and are only supported in the legacy drivers, and in a crappy way
[04:50] <Dana1> Dang, PulseAudio doesn't seem to allow 24 or 32-bit.
[04:50] <xtknight> Ashbringer, hrmm can u report me to the link on launchpad of that bug?
[04:50] <magic_ninja> its a geforce3 ti200
[04:50] <Ashbringer> sure
[04:51] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: that is no longer supported by the newest nvidia driver in ubuntu
[04:51] <Ashbringer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104978
[04:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 104978 in xrandr "[apport]  xrandr crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:51] <Ashbringer> there
[04:51] <Ashbringer> good luck, mate
[04:51] <Ashbringer> later
[04:51] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[04:51] <xtknight> k
[04:51] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: or not, no gui :/
[04:52] <magic_ninja> the vesa drivers worked
[04:52] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: they should, it's the nvidia drivers that are weird
[04:52] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: do you have x right now?
[04:53] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: because I have a few links for you to look at concerning this issue
[04:53] <magic_ninja> yea
[04:53] <fowlduck> magic_ninja: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96430
[04:53] <magic_ninja> ima keep bitchx up
[04:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] 
[04:53] <fowlduck> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2371810&postcount=33
[04:53] <fowlduck> magic_ninjahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2371810&postcount=33
[04:53] <magic_ninjai> can i please get those links again
[04:54] <magic_ninjai> its magic_ninja"i" now instead
[04:54] <magic_ninjai> fowlduck:
[04:54] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96430
[04:54] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[04:54] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2371810&postcount=33
[04:55] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: hope that helps
[04:56] <magic_ninjai> fowlduck: so my card is no longer supported
[04:56] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: actually, you can manually install the older drivers (not legacy) using the last link i sent you
[04:57] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: they're working on a fix for it
[04:57] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: I would expect a solution before the release date
[04:58] <Dana1> Oh, how do autoload-modules work in pulseaudio?
[04:58] <magic_ninjai> thats in a couple weeks right
[04:58] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: 10 days, the 19th of April
[04:59] <wizard> how do i go about reinstalling grub after i redo my windows partition from scratch?
[04:59] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: unfortunately, I must go, I'm procrastinating on a project that is past due
[05:00] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: good luck, and I hope you won't give up.  Ubuntu is really great.  I mean, look at all these volunteers donating their time to support.
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know what command to use to launch the restricted packages manager
[05:01] <magic_ninjai> fowlduck: ty for your help, and i've been using linux for over 4 years, i'm not going anywhere
[05:01] <magic_ninjai> fowlduck: i don't even have windows on any computer i own
[05:02] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: nice :)
[05:02] <fowlduck> magic_ninjai: and you're welcome
[05:05] <K`zan> Had a weird experience here.  Was experimenting with various clocks and removing them if they weren't what I wanted.  One pass of that and adept started removing if not everything, a lot.  Hit reset but by that time KDE was gone and I had to re-install kde (got more than I had before from fresh install).  VERY strange.  Once adept gets going there is no way to stop it short of reset...
[05:07] <K`zan> On one pass at that...
[05:10] <hertz> Anyone know if Fiesty ships with ecryptfs and ecryptfs-utils?
[05:12] <magic_ninja> he
[05:19] <misfit_toy> hertz, i was watching this channel last night and saw some issues with that but have no details, it didn't look good though.
[05:20] <hertz> Is this channel logged anywhere?
[05:21] <choudesh> hey all
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> !logs | hertz
[05:22] <ubotu> hertz: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:22] <Dana1> wtfhell, gnome-vfs is broken for SSH for me.
[05:27] <choudesh> ubuntu+1 is silent tonight.
[05:28] <misfit_toy> lets all sing
[05:28] <fignew> moo
[05:28] <choudesh> meow?
[05:31] <phaidros> woohoo
[05:32] <misfit_toy> maybe the latest update broke all IRC except for us
[05:32] <misfit_toy> ;)
[05:33] <K`zan> misfit_toy: Possible, I know that USB stuff is getting worse...
[05:34] <misfit_toy> K`zan, my wifi got busted 3 days ago but the fix was out later that day so I just went back to hardwired until it was fixed, no worries, this distro has rocked for the last year, I love it.
[05:34] <DanaG> How do you get back the non-transparent volume thingy?
[05:34] <DanaG> I don't like the transparent one.
[05:34] <misfit_toy> DanaG, you mean on the gnome-panel?
[05:34] <DanaG> The one that pops open when you hit a hotkey.
[05:35] <K`zan> misfit_toy: Will be glad when Feisty gets as stable as edgy :-), but you are right, still good stuff.
[05:35] <misfit_toy> DanaG, that goes with whatever theme you have picked, pick another theme.
[05:35] <DanaG> I'm using Ubuntu default.
[05:35] <DanaG> "Ubuntulooks" -- funky name.
[05:35] <misfit_toy> K`zan, yes, I miss my full nvidia effects with Edgy *dammit* lol
[05:35] <DanaG> funky as in, that egg smells funky.
[05:36] <K`zan> misfit_toy: I'm just glad to have the low latency desktop and the nvidia drivers here, it really helps, the way it comes stock is really clunky...
[05:37] <goose> anyone else have update-manager issues when upgrading?
[05:37] <zak_> i've downloaded the sun JRE and JDK, but when i type java, it uses gij... how do i start the real java?
[05:37] <misfit_toy> K`zan, agreed, I'm on a pretty old laptop but even with an ancient nvidia card I'm very happy, although going from 384RAM to 512 was a true turning point for performance...amazing what that little bit can do.
[05:38] <DanaG> What does lowlatency d?
[05:39] <misfit_toy> zak_, dunno, I don't use java much, do you need gij?
[05:39] <K`zan> misfit_toy: LOL, my old gateway (from the days when they could make something decent) PII/266 is maxed out on RAM (384M) but while it is a bit sluggish, it works OK.
[05:39] <K`zan> DanaG: It is a better pre-emptive multi-tasking for desktop use, makes things MUCH smoother.
[05:39] <misfit_toy> K`zan, that's exactly the feeling, just a tad sluggish, then wammo, going to 512 (maxed this one out) was like getting a new box, incredible.
[05:40] <K`zan> DanaG: Just why ubuntu ships the way it does preplexes me as I suspect that 90%+ of the installs are desktops...
[05:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Has anyone here installed both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same machine?
[05:40] <misfit_toy> the *one* thing I wish someone would package up in ubuntu is a decent guified backup util, not sbackup, or hbum or whatever, but a real nice util for backing up stuff.
[05:40] <choudesh> FunnyLookinHat, what is your issue?
[05:41] <K`zan> misfit_toy: :-) 384 is max for that thing, unfortunately :-(.  Also have to boot linux off a floppy because of the old (and not upgradable) BIOS limit :-(.
[05:41] <choudesh> misfit_toy, backup for linux is in the grey area
[05:41] <FunnyLookinHat> choudesh, none yet...  I was going to do it to do some final testing before feisty is released for bugs and whatnot...  wanted to know how easy it is to switch between the two (Gnome and KDE)
[05:41] <choudesh> misfit_toy, amanda - really good. bacula - really good, too complex and the other kbackup and others are just crappy
[05:41] <misfit_toy> choudesh, yes, it has been since I've been using it, since the .9x kernel
[05:42] <misfit_toy> choudesh, amanda is overkill for a laptop
[05:42] <misfit_toy> as is bacula
[05:42] <choudesh> FunnyLookinHat, its good. just change your session within gdm, or kde's manager
[05:42] <K`zan> misfit_toy: I just use K3B and do my backups manually :-/.
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> choudesh, ok sweet.  I figured it was as easy as the session but was just curious  : )
[05:42] <choudesh> misfit_toy, a sync proggie would be good for a laptop
[05:42] <misfit_toy> K`zan, I'm always afraid k3b or gnomebaker will miss things...
[05:43] <choudesh> misfit_toy, unison is great
[05:43] <K`zan> misfit_toy: Worked for me so far :-).
[05:43] <zak_> misfit_toy: i don't use gij... will uninstalling it make java point to the real java?
[05:43] <misfit_toy> choudesh, just been using tar all this time....
[05:43] <choudesh> !ubuntuguide | zak_
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <choudesh> argh. they didn't add that to the fact bot.
[05:43] <misfit_toy> zak_, that's my guess but I'd let someone who uses java tell you that for sure.
[05:43] <choudesh> zak_, http://ubuntuguide.com search for java
[05:44] <choudesh> misfit_toy, even a front end that just tars and gzips would be great for ubuntu
[05:44] <misfit_toy> choudesh, exactly
[05:45] <choudesh> misfit_toy, UBackup
[05:45] <misfit_toy> haven't heard of that one...
[05:45] <choudesh> misfit_toy, it hasn't been devopled yet. :-D
[05:45] <martalli> Which is proper for (k,e,x)buntu: apt-get or aptitude?
[05:45] <K`zan> choudesh: I think there is an option in tar to break it in whatever sized chunk you need?!?
[05:45] <misfit_toy> LOL
[05:46] <choudesh> K`zan, yea.
[05:46] <misfit_toy> I tried mondo something but it has burning issues
[05:46] <misfit_toy> and it's interface is a little clunky but I had high hopes
[05:46] <misfit_toy> mondo-archive I think
[05:46] <misfit_toy> or mondo-restore
[05:47] <choudesh> yea.
[05:47] <misfit_toy> sbackup is really a nice little util, but until it can just burn to dvd I'm not interested.
[05:47] <misfit_toy> but the interface is nice and simple.
[05:48] <choudesh> misfit_toy, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-home-backup
[05:48] <misfit_toy> choudesh, that thing is horrible, I tried it too.
[05:48] <choudesh> misfit_toy, hmm...maybe we need to dev a new backup tool for ubuntu
[05:48] <misfit_toy> choudesh, it chokes on open files
[05:49] <choudesh> misfit_toy, how to they choke on open files?
[05:49] <misfit_toy> choudesh, well, I'm not a programmer, I'm a sysadmin so I just wait...heheh
[05:49] <misfit_toy> choudesh, if it hits say your evolution folder, and you have evolution open, it just pauses into infinity.
[05:50] <choudesh> misfit_toy, I wonder what they are doing.
[05:50] <misfit_toy> no idea
[05:50] <choudesh> misfit_toy, basic kernel call copy does a shadow like operation
[05:50] <misfit_toy> that's what I would have thought.
[05:50] <misfit_toy> so for now it's just tar to a folder then burn manually for me
[05:51] <DanaG> What about faubackup?
[05:51] <DanaG> I've tried it, but I don't remember how well it worked.
[05:51] <misfit_toy> this laptop lives on the edge but it's my true prod laptop for ME here at home so I can't lose stuff!
[05:52] <misfit_toy> ok, it's time for my nightly cigar then bed, y'all take care and someone develop a real, simple, true backup util for ubuntu, it would save a lot of headaches I'm sure, nice talking to you all!
[06:00] <choudesh> brb
[06:00] <choudesh> network restart
[06:02] <choudesh> !facts | choudesh
[06:09] <fowlduck> !karma
[06:09] <choudesh> oi. moved my network over to ipv6
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about karma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <fowlduck> choudesh: ouch, why?  just cuz? ;)
[06:10] <choudesh> fowlduck, just because.
[06:10] <fowlduck> right-on
[06:10] <fowlduck> tinkerers make the world go round, and cube, just cuz
[06:10] <choudesh> fowlduck, I got some a new firewall and router - ipv6 was faster on it since it used that arm_IP6 chip.
[06:10] <fowlduck> nice
[06:11] <fowlduck> what kind of firewall and router?
[06:11] <choudesh> older pix from work
[06:12] <fowlduck> a pix isn't a router, as my old instructor used to always say
[06:12] <fowlduck> but cool nonetheless
[06:12] <choudesh> well - the router/firewall was the bottleneck for my network.
[06:12] <fowlduck> ouch, that's weird
[06:12] <choudesh> server to server transfer was only 14.2MB/s over HG-Fiber
[06:12] <fowlduck> unless your network is big
[06:12] <fowlduck> lol
[06:13] <choudesh> now it is 214.3MB/s over HG-Fiber
[06:13] <fowlduck> that's like walking on your hands when you could be driving a car
[06:13] <DanaG> pix?
[06:13] <choudesh> fowlduck, you could say my network is a big. I also have a coffee house/inet cafe linked up here for down the road
[06:13] <choudesh> well - I don't. My brother owns it.
[06:14] <fowlduck> nice
[06:14] <choudesh> I have been hearing that they had a distrubted surfboard cable modem mod.
[06:15] <choudesh> they added another coax output to hook it up to two different cable lines
[06:15] <DanaG> I don't even need the ability to CHANGE anything; I just want to be able to see what I'm provisioned at.
[06:15] <DanaG> Because Charter HAS gotten that wrong.
[06:15] <choudesh> DanaG, my cable modem is locked down tighter than a feminist's daughter
[06:16] <DanaG> 512kibit/512kibit instead of 3mibit/256kibit
[06:16] <DanaG> (notice the up is higher)
[06:16] <DanaG> s/is/was/
[06:16] <DanaG> than it should have been.
[06:16] <choudesh> heh. I currentl have 6/2 from comcast. it is burstable at 1am till 6am
[06:17] <xtknight> lowlatency uses Ingo Molnar's patches?
[06:17] <mphill> telecom are bastards
[06:17] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[06:17] <choudesh> well, we used to have a mom and pop telecom company about 2 years ago.
[06:17] <choudesh> they got bought out by comcast.
[06:18] <choudesh> cable used to be $17 a month for 3/3
[06:18] <choudesh> now I pay $46 for 6/2
[06:18] <alka_trasg> ouch
[06:18] <DanaG> I'd bet we pay the same for 3/256(kilobit)
[06:18] <DanaG> I don't manage the bills.
[06:18] <choudesh> DanaG, heh.
[06:19] <choudesh> DanaG, neither do I. girlfriend does. but she still bitches 'cause a 2/512 is $27
[06:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Wow, kubuntu has really come along
[06:19] <choudesh> FunnyLookinHat, yea it has.
[06:19] <DanaG> And of course, I'd switch to AT&T or Verizon, but it's impossible to find out what services are available, through their web sites.
[06:20] <fowlduck> I bet adept STILL SUCKS
[06:20] <DanaG> "Your phone number doesn't exist in our records."
[06:20] <DanaG> "Your address doesn't exist in our records".
[06:20] <DanaG> Well, durrrh, we aren't your customer yet!
[06:20] <fowlduck> DanaG: makes you have confidence in the rest of their services
[06:20] <DanaG> Must be customer already to find out what's available to buy.... makes no sense.
[06:21] <choudesh> heh
[06:21] <DanaG> Can you think of somewhere else to use that reasoning?
[06:21] <DanaG> I would say something funny, but I can't think of any.
[06:21] <DanaG> s/any/anything/
[06:22] <choudesh> regex hurt my eyes
[06:23] <alka_trasg> Did any hear the Mark Shuttleworth's interview on the Linux Action Show?
[06:24] <fowlduck> I pay $99/month for 10/1 internet and cable + special channel tiers (my wife loves the tlc/discovery channel extras)
[06:24] <fowlduck> ghey 10/1 charter crap
[06:24] <alka_trasg> Mark almost gives out the feisty+1 name
[06:24] <michaelfavia> RE: topic.... how does this affect nvidia legacy driver support for 96XX?
[06:25] <DanaG> If I can't buy it, then it's not "Open", is it?
[06:25] <DanaG> Look on anandtech.com for a review of that cablecard tuner.
[06:25] <fowlduck> michaelfavia: I found a link for a manual way to fix it, if you want it
[06:25] <gaminggeek> Hey
[06:26] <choudesh> !nvidia | michaelfavia
[06:26] <ubotu> michaelfavia: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:26] <gaminggeek> Anyone where using Banshee?
[06:26] <choudesh> heh - thought +1 was going to be quiet...
[06:26] <michaelfavia> choudesh, fowlduck , im not actually concerned with fixing my driver... i was concerned about supporting it in a number of systems...
[06:27] <michaelfavia> but thank you for the link...
[06:27] <Zewey> gaminggeek: occasionally :p
[06:27] <gaminggeek> 'cause the banshee Icon isnt comming up
[06:27] <fowlduck> choudesh: umm, there are some problems with nvidia drivers right now, as of march '07
[06:27] <michaelfavia> does anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96430 is a blocker for 7.04?
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] 
[06:27] <choudesh> fowlduck, I know. I run one. :-D
[06:27] <fowlduck> choudesh: ok, just mentioning :)
[06:27] <choudesh> fowlduck, no prob.
[06:27] <Zewey> it's not starting up?
[06:27] <choudesh> where is xt tonight?
[06:27] <fowlduck> michaelfavia: i hope it is
[06:28] <billy_> choudesh: in the ubuntu room.
[06:28] <billy_> any firestarter users present?
[06:29] <choudesh> billy_, I know. but he usually pops his head in here from time to time
[06:29] <Zewey> blargh, hard to type on stuff with upgrade-manager chugging away in the background
[06:29] <Zewey> gaminggeek: it's not starting up?
[06:29] <billy_> choudesh: why not invite him over?  :)
[06:29] <gaminggeek> Its starting
[06:30] <choudesh> billy_, heh.
[06:30] <gaminggeek> but the *.desktop file is broken or something
[06:30] <gaminggeek> it has no Icon
[06:30] <spenc3> anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?
[06:31] <Zewey> gaminggeek: oh... you mean it has no icon
[06:32] <gaminggeek> Yea
[06:32] <Zewey> gaminggeek: i had that sometime ago, but i just edited the .desktop file to the correct image name
[06:32] <gaminggeek> ok
[06:32] <billy_> how's the Kubuntu desktop coming along?
[06:33] <gaminggeek> What did you change it to?
[06:33] <Zewey> gaminggeek: check the "icon" entry in /usr/share/applications/banshee.desktop, make sure it's "music-player-banshee"
[06:34] <gaminggeek> sure does
[06:34] <alka_trasg> from personal experience you may need to restart the gnome-panel
[06:34] <gaminggeek> Ah ij
[06:34] <Zewey> does /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/music-player-banshee.svg exist?
[06:34] <gaminggeek> *ok
[06:34] <gaminggeek> yea
[06:35] <Zewey> alka_trasg: is that "killall gnome-panel"? i need to remember that :P
[06:35] <gaminggeek> restarted the panel
[06:35] <gaminggeek> still broken
[06:35] <alka_trasg> go to command line and type: killall gnome-panel
[06:35] <gaminggeek> yep that is
[06:35] <alka_trasg> yes
[06:35] <gaminggeek> it
[06:36] <gaminggeek> any more ideas?
[06:36] <alka_trasg> how did you install it
[06:36] <gaminggeek> Apt
[06:37] <alka_trasg> are you using any 3rd party repos
[06:37] <gaminggeek> nope just the ubuntu ones
[06:37] <gaminggeek> this is a fresh install
[06:37] <alka_trasg> oh okay, try this
[06:37] <Zewey> you could just reinstall it and see if it fixes it properly
[06:37] <DanaG> I found a bug:
[06:38] <DanaG> try this: have onboard ethernet, but plug in a USB ethernet adapter.
[06:38] <alka_trasg> right click on the the applications button and go to edit menus and see if you see it in there
[06:38] <DanaG> Watch as NetworkManager repeatedly connects and disconnects.
[06:38] <alka_trasg> that's what is does best
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, the onboard is a better device, let's use it!
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, the onboard is not plugged in, so use the external!
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, the onboard is a better device, let's use it!
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, the onboard is not plugged in, so use the external!
[06:40] <DanaG> and so on.
[06:40] <gaminggeek> the icon isnt there?
[06:40] <gaminggeek> -?
[06:40] <DanaG> Oddly, if you plug in BOTH devices, BOTH will interfaces will be up.
[06:41] <alka_trasg> gaminggeek: darn
[06:41] <alka_trasg> DanaG: as a quick fix, have you tried right clicking and disabling the one you don't want to use
[06:42] <gaminggeek> yea :/
[06:42] <Zewey> that sounds like a Gnome bug, you probably should file it with them
[06:42] <gaminggeek> only a minor problem but banshee has suck a nice icon :/
[06:42] <Zewey> gaminggeek: try "sudo aptitude reinstall banshee"
[06:42] <DanaG> I'm using knetworkmanager, which doesn't have that.
[06:43] <DanaG> knetworkmanager does give more info, though, which is why I use it.
[06:43] <Zewey> oh that's right, who's responsible for the NetworkManager daemon?
[06:43] <alka_trasg> DanaG: have you went to command line and tried to dmesg to see what is going on?
[06:44] <mahdi> hi, could anybody plz help me find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic deb plz? Cant find on official archives!
[06:44] <gaminggeek> woot that fixed it
[06:44] <alka_trasg> nice
[06:44] <DanaG> Right-click in nm-applet also does nothing.
[06:44] <Zewey> cool :)
[06:45] <mahdi> i had to downgrade my kernel to 2.6.20-12 because intel-hda sound is broken on 2.6.20-13 and later
[06:45] <DanaG> It's a NetworkManager issue.
[06:45] <DanaG> As I pasted above, you can see it do that if you run NetworkManger in console.
[06:46] <DanaG> http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/
[06:46] <DanaG> for alka_trasg
[06:46] <DanaG> my school's LUG's server is usually out of date, and has huge storage capacity.
[06:46] <billy_> mahdi: my intel-hda works fine.  what motherboard do you have?
[06:46] <gaminggeek> anyone know why ntfs-3g isnt installed by default?
[06:47] <DanaG> dang, only down to 13?... /me is looking
[06:47] <DanaG> Oh, then scratch that.
[06:48] <mahdi> billy_: ahmm... dunno LOL. Its an acer aspire 5040
[06:48] <mahdi> billy_: tried both 2.6.20-13 and 14... only 12 works
[06:48] <mahdi> but i just cant find its restricted modules to get fglrx
[06:52] <fowlduck> don't use it though
[06:52] <fowlduck> yay for acer
[06:53] <gaminggeek> also does anyone know why gedit is in sticky mode with desktop effects turned on?
[06:53] <mahdi> =/
[06:54] <choudesh> mahdi, are you talking about the intel HD audio?
[06:54] <mahdi> choudesh: yep
[06:54] <choudesh> mahdi, it works in 2.6.20-13
[06:54] <mahdi> choudesh: no, it doesnt
[06:54] <mahdi> choudesh: just tried
[06:54] <mahdi> choudesh: not for me
[06:55] <choudesh> mahdi, yes it does. I have a gateway laptop beside me playing mp3's using 2.6.20.13
[06:55] <Zewey> gaminggeek: probably because ntfs-3g is not that well trusted/not 100% stable yet
[06:55] <mahdi> choudesh: smth wrong with my sys then...
[06:55] <mahdi> choudesh: because it works only with 2.6.20-12
[06:55] <choudesh> mahdi, send me the output of `lspci | grep Intel`
[06:56] <choudesh> mahdi, it may be the rev 1 bug
[06:56] <choudesh> !copy | mahdi
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <choudesh> !pastebin | grep mahdi
[06:56] <ubotu> grep mahdi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:56] <mahdi> choudesh: doesnt show anything
[06:56] <choudesh> mahdi, then you don't have an Intel HDA
[06:56] <mahdi> choudesh: but i'm on 2.6.20-12 right now
[06:56] <mahdi> yes i do
[06:57] <mahdi> choudesh: its a atiixp
[06:57] <concept10> Anyone currently alive using the bcm43xx?
[06:57] <choudesh> mahdi, O....
[06:57] <mahdi> concept10: its buggy. Use ndiswrapper
[06:58] <choudesh> mahdi, its not an Intel HDA. your sound is built onto that winmodem
[06:58] <mahdi> choudesh: yep
[06:58] <choudesh> mahdi, yea. It isn't an Intel HDA:ICH7
[06:58] <concept10> mahdi, I need to take your advice on that.   I really dont understand how a driver works perfect three releases ago and now its trash
[06:59] <concept10> DanaG, that lowlatency kernel is trash on disk
[06:59] <mahdi> choudesh: nope
[06:59] <DanaG> Huh?
[06:59] <mahdi> choudesh: neither do i...
[06:59] <Toma-> im using -lowlatency right now for recording...
[06:59] <concept10> Heh.  Im serious!  Its garbage.
[07:00] <DanaG> tifm flashmedia reader also regressed from -12 to -14.
[07:00] <concept10> It _adds_ latency on my system
[07:00] <choudesh> mahdi, hmm - I thought that was working in 20-13...it is a module.
[07:01] <mahdi> choudesh: yep.
[07:01] <concept10> Toma-, used for recording what?
[07:02] <Toma-> concept10: sound...
[07:02] <concept10> Toma-, what application do you use (curious)
[07:02] <Toma-> concept10: lowlatency is not for desktops
[07:02] <Toma-> concept10: audacity
[07:03] <gaminggeek> What happened to the control pannel thing
[07:03] <gaminggeek> I thought that was supposed to be in fiesty
[07:04] <concept10> Toma-, dont believe the hype.  The lowlatency kernel should work in alot of applications.  If you're using that kernel for recording audio, you _are_ using it on the desktop!
[07:04] <mahdi> any chance i use fglrx from other version?
[07:04] <Toma-> concept10: its improved my audio recording latency problems by leaps and bounds. i had absolutly no hopes that it would make my desktop faster
[07:05] <gaminggeek> why isnt low latency not for desktops?
[07:05] <gaminggeek> oh right it will not make the desktop faster
[07:06] <Toma-> it basically pounds the heck out of your CPU. kind of like using nice, but on turbo
[07:06] <concept10> Toma-, I believe you on the audio recording, but in my situation, I tried to use the lowlatency kernel to improve audio performance in a 3D game I play.. but it was worse
[07:06] <Toma-> concept10: yeh thatll happen
[07:07] <Toma-> concept10: the lowlatency will assign massive CPU to the audio, and hence, ruin your 3d gaming
[07:07] <concept10> If you want a better solution, build a Real-time kernel
[07:07] <mahdi> found it =D lol
[07:08] <mahdi> almost all servers already deleted 2.6.20-12
[07:08] <concept10> I have no idea what the lowlatency kernel is doing
[07:08] <Toma-> concept10: its in the repos for the UBuntuStudio project, which will be a dedicated sound/video distro
[07:09] <Toma-> with the lowlatency kernel, apps like jack/ardour and friends can run full speed and its just brilliant
[07:09] <concept10> Toma-, a real-time kernel in the repo or a lowlatency repo?
[07:09] <DanaG> Aah, like what ASIO is for Windows.
[07:09] <Toma-> concept10: lowlatency
[07:10] <DanaG> Where didja find it?
[07:10] <concept10> except ASIO pretty much is solid these days
[07:10] <DanaG> Odd, my aptitude shows the -12 there, but I don't know where it's coming from.
[07:11] <concept10> Linux is "Will get you by if you have no other choice" when it comes to audio
[07:11] <Toma-> yeh right
[07:11] <concept10> but beyond that, its too complex and the applications are incomplete for professional applications
[07:12] <Toma-> ha...
[07:12] <DanaG> Have you tried this "DPC Latency" tool in Windows?
[07:12] <DanaG> XP: 50-100 microseconds average.
[07:12] <DanaG> Vista: 500-1000 average.
[07:13] <DanaG> Oh, I see... it IS missing the restricted-modules.
[07:13] <Toma-> concept10: you keep telling yourself that ;)
[07:13] <DanaG> Where did you find them, again?
[07:13] <concept10> I know.. I have a studio that I run on hated windows system.  XP is great for audio.  I wouldnt touch Vista with a 10 foot pole.
[07:13] <Toma-> would you like me to find out the latency on this linux system?
[07:14] <DanaG> Ever try KX Audio drivers?  They're cheap, but if you want real quality, go to somebody other than Cr{ap,eative}.
[07:14] <concept10> Toma-, You may have opinions, but if Real Life(tm), no one would touch Audacity
[07:14] <Toma-> concept10: im in real life, im recording a demo track right now, with a guitar, and hydrogen drum machine for the drums.
[07:15] <DanaG> Oh, one cool thing:
[07:15] <Toma-> if i really wanted to get serious, id use ardour, which is hardcore, and actually used in RealLife (tm)
[07:15] <DanaG> my onboard sound card's microphone jack is a STEREO microphone jack.
[07:15] <concept10> Toma-, I didnt say you couldnt use it, I said its imcomplete.
[07:15] <DanaG> And I believe it's 24bit 192khz.
[07:15] <concept10> incomplete
[07:15] <Toma-> concept10: in what way?
[07:15] <DanaG> I just don't have any good mics.
[07:16] <concept10> No real time effects
[07:16] <gaminggeek> anyone know what Feisty thinks I have two cd drives?
[07:16] <Toma-> you can use jack for realtime effects
[07:16] <concept10> Toma-, but its not in the editor!
[07:16] <Toma-> concept10: oh qq
[07:17] <Toma-> i can get the latency down to 0.333msecs here
[07:17] <concept10> Toma-, BTW, im making a Compressor based on embedded linux
[07:18] <DanaG> Hah hah!
[07:18] <alka_trasg> gaminggeek: do they both operate the same drive?
[07:18] <DanaG> *gack!*
[07:19] <Toma-> concept10: i can run beryl + lowlatency just fine here
[07:19] <DanaG> especially since NEITHER of my two sound cards has working input under Linux.
[07:19] <DanaG> Oh, and my cardbus Audigy gives me an Oops if I try to toggle capture anywhere on it.
[07:19] <DanaG> ...Oops.
[07:20] <concept10> Toma-, it works, its just not for all applications (like you said, somewhat)
[07:20] <Toma-> indeedy
[07:20] <concept10> I hate using windows, but I have no choice if I want a robust production system.  I think a move to the Mac is in my future
[07:20] <gaminggeek> alka_trasg, I only have the one drive and the "CD-Rom 1" just says can not mount /dev/hdc
[07:21] <gaminggeek> but the other one works perfectly
[07:21] <DanaG> Blargh, can you find any good Apple-compatible sound cards and apps?  I haven't looked.
[07:22] <concept10> DanaG, you can use ASIO and CoreAudio with apple machines for most cards
[07:22] <DanaG> http://www.cmedia.com.tw/
[07:24] <DanaG> check out their stuff.
[07:24] <concept10> DanaG, is that a chipset company
[07:24] <DanaG> Yeah, but you can google for codec names to find cards with them.
[07:24] <DanaG> Such as the Auzentech cards.
[07:26] <concept10> I promise I will never buy another laptop for audio use unless it competes with the apple as far as noise.  The laptop I have makes so much analog noise, its useless!
[07:27] <DanaG> I've never tested my analog noise level.
[07:27] <DanaG> How would I go about doing that?
[07:27] <DanaG> RMAA?
[07:27] <ajmorris_> anyone using Linksys WPC11 wireless card here?
[07:27] <alka_trasg> concept10: what type of laptop is that?
[07:27] <DanaG> Dell is notably bad.
[07:27] <DanaG> I have a Gateway M685.
[07:27] <DanaG> Oh, and did I mention, stereo microphone jack?
[07:27] <concept10> alka_trasg, HP
[07:28] <DanaG> http://charterisviolatingdnsstandards.com
[07:28] <whyameye> what does that mean "Herd 6 is cancelled."
[07:28] <DanaG> Looks like nerfle is either not here, or not on charter.
[07:28] <DanaG> http://www.charterisviolatingdnsstandards.com
[07:28] <DanaG> er, wrong channel
[07:28] <concept10> The one I have doesnt have proper shielding.  A guy brought a MacBook into the studio, and plugged it straight up to the board and it was noise free.. tripped me out
[07:29] <DanaG> http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[07:29] <DanaG> ha ha hah
[07:29] <alka_trasg> concept10: according to this, http://ask.metafilter.com/20028/Laptop-Audio-Hum it's because it's not grounded. Worth a shot.
[07:30] <wims> my harddrive used to be /dev/hda with edgy, now it's/ dev/sda ?
[07:31] <wims> is it supposed to be like that ?
[07:31] <DanaG> rightmark audio analyzer.
[07:31] <concept10> DanaG, if you choose a audio card, choose one that will be supported for at least five years.  MOTU, RMA.. and at the minimum, 24bit/96kHz
[07:32] <DanaG> Oh, the c-media gives 8 channels of 24/192, I think.
[07:32] <DanaG> Google for "Auzentech X-Meridian".
[07:33] <cables> Am I crazy to want to to install Feisty from scratch instead of upgrading? I want to sort of start over, as well as install all my codecs the cool Feisty way.
[07:34] <concept10> cables, starting over serves no purpose unless you want a absolutely clean system.
[07:34] <wims> nobody have an idea on the hda->sda thingie ?
[07:34] <cables> concept10, that can't be a bad thing
[07:34] <cables> Also I've used automatix. I reversed the changes and removed it, but it might still have left some remnants...
[07:34] <Toma-> wims: is this from the live cd?
[07:34] <concept10> cables, well when you collect configs and .rc files over the years, you dont want to have to set all that up over again
[07:35] <wims> Toma-,  no, its from my edgy upgraded hard disk install
[07:35] <cables> concept10, I'm going to back up some of my central stuff, but now that I'm less noob-y, I want to start off with a clean system.
[07:35] <Toma-> wims: oh gosh... no idea
[07:39] <thompa> is their a problem with gaim
[07:39] <alka_trasg> ?
[07:39] <thompa> mine wont stay open, so i installed konqueror
[07:40] <cables> thompa, what does gaim have to do with konqueror?
[07:40] <cables> thompa, try renaming ~/.gaim and see if that helps.
[07:41] <DanaG> mine is customized.
[07:41] <DanaG> Oh, and a few other things, like scripts and modprobe settings.
[07:41] <RAOF> You'd be looking forf bug #103959
[07:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 103959 in gaim "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc() while idle" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103959
[07:41] <DanaG> hda moving to sda is by design.
[07:41] <thompa> gaim is running now, it does not matter i prefer konversation,
[07:42] <DanaG> http://lwn.net/Articles/198344/
[07:42] <DanaG> http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/pci_audio
[07:42] <thompa> thanks all
[07:43] <DanaG> I just want to see Creative get a good slapping (damn killing Aureal)
[07:43] <DanaG> Ph, they have 32-bit?
[07:43] <DanaG> Oh, they have 32-bit analog playback?
[07:43] <DanaG> Is there even a point to that?
[07:44] <alka_trasg> DanaG: I agree, my Aureal was the best sounding audio card
[07:44] <DanaG> I never had one,
[07:44] <thompa> i cant get filmstrip view back
[07:44] <DanaG> but I heard the demos on stereo speakers on computers in Costco, all those years ago,
[07:44] <DanaG> Even on stereo, it was amazing.
[07:45] <alka_trasg> I bought one because it was cheap and I was amazed at the time how it blew away my roommates sound blaster 512
[07:45] <billy> is there an evince plugin for firefox, so I view pdf's in the window?
[07:47] <alka_trasg> this looks promising http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25685
[07:47] <DanaG> Now to find a card that uses the multi-in, if you need it.
[07:47] <DanaG> google for "cmi8788 card"
[07:47] <DanaG> without quotes
[07:48] <billy> alka_trasg: sweet. thanks.
[07:48] <alka_trasg> you bet, I'm always amazed when I google things for linux and I end up in the ubuntu forums  :)
[07:49] <K`zan> reinstalling everything kde to fix the mass delete today the fonts in kmail are HUGE now.
[07:50] <alka_trasg> has anyone gotten 3d to work with chess
[07:50] <alka_trasg> more specific: with gnome games version of chess
[07:51] <billy> alka_trasg: thanks.  didn't even have to edit the /etc/mozplugger file.  just installed the package.  :)
[07:52] <alka_trasg> nice
[07:53] <Ayabara> I mount some network drives at work with "mount -t cifs". when I try to reboot my computer, it hangs on "CIFS VFS: server not responding". anyone got any ideas?
 help needed echo $locale, en_US.utf8 stuff, ho do i find out which one i use and how do i change it?
[07:57] <concept10> Ayabara, I read about that problem long ago, seems like you may have mounted the FS to early
[07:59] <Ayabara> concept10, weird. I mount it with a script a couple of minutes after boot
[08:00] <concept10> Ayabara, its different after boot
[08:02] <Ayabara> concept10, what do you mean?
[08:03] <concept10> Ayabara, I cant explain it well but its some client-server problem where one is waiting on the other so it goes into a endless loop
[08:04] <Ayabara> concept10, ok. thanks for the info :-)
[08:10] <DanaG> Odd thing for me: gnome-vfs ssh doesn't work.
[08:10] <DanaG> It just times out.
[08:10] <DanaG> It takes 15 seconds to reach password prompt at command-line ssh,
[08:11] <DanaG> but Nautilus / gnome-vfs waits longer than that.
[08:12] <DanaG> Anyone here ever play C&C Renegade?
[08:13] <DanaG> I have the "yo1.wav" sound that's use for multiplayer PM messages (that's redundant) as one of my Gaim sounds.
[08:13] <DanaG> Yo!
[08:13] <DanaG> !feisty
[08:13] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:14] <billy> !thegreengoblin
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thegreengoblin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <DanaG> !
[08:15] <DanaG> slash-zero
[08:15] <DanaG> !v
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <DanaG> Nice, it removes bogus characters.
[08:17] <DanaG> !bot
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:17] <DanaG> 
[08:19] <DanaG> is beep.
[08:20] <ajmorris_> j #ubuntuwireless
[08:39] <ajmorris_> anyone have a linksys WPC11 wireless card working? or similar card?
[08:55] <peterflute> Morning all
[08:57] <peterflute> I'm still trying to solve an nvidia problem...Anyone around at these hours to help?'
[08:58] <Terrasque> i might help
[08:59] <peterflute> Thanks, Terrasque
[08:59] <Terrasque> if i got time, and know the solution
[09:00] <peterflute> I have a gforce 6600gt on an asus motherboard. Everytime I load in the nvidia drivers, beit through the new feisty control panel, or via "envy" or whatever, I always get a black screen when I reboot.
[09:00] <Terrasque> does console still work?
[09:01] <peterflute> nope, the only way to restart is to reset. No caps lock on the keyboard either.
[09:01] <Terrasque> sounds bad
[09:01] <Terrasque> works fine under windows?
[09:02] <peterflute> Yes.
[09:02] <peterflute> I'm starting to consider a hardware change.
[09:02] <Terrasque> so not hardware problem
[09:03] <peterflute> Unless its an incompatability
[09:04] <Terrasque> might be. anything in the logs? can you ssh into the machine?
[09:05] <peterflute> I've no idea about getting in via ssh....
[09:05] <pollyo> Hello anyone know why I have to turn off my gaurddog firewall to access my webserver ?
[09:05] <peterflute> As for the logs, they tell me that theres no glx driver loaded, though as far as I can see there is!
[09:05] <pollyo> I'm running kubuntu feisty
[09:05] <Terrasque> had a similar problem once. nvidia would kill X, killing keyboard and screen. ssh still worked, so i could log in and kill the X process
[09:06] <pollyo> Even if I set everything to protocol permitted in guarddog I can not access the webserver with it active.
[09:14] <pollyo> Anyone know about iptables?
[09:15] <mjbrooks> pollyo, anything specific?
[09:15] <pollyo> mjbrooks: Do I need to put anything specific in for the webserver to work?
[09:16] <mjbrooks> pollyo,  well, you'll need to allow port 80
[09:16] <pollyo> mjbrooks: From what I understand guarddog generates changes to the iptables.
[09:17] <pollyo> mjbrooks: Strange thing... I allow port 80 in guarddog and still no go.
[09:17] <pollyo> mjbrooks: When I turn it off then the webserver works.
[09:18] <mjbrooks> pollyo, I don't use guarddog, I'm hardcore and edit directly ;)
[09:18] <pollyo> mjbrooks: Where would I find the iptables on my machine?
[09:19] <Terrasque> mjbrooks: my thoughts exactly :)
[09:19] <pollyo> Are these iptables difficult?  Is it simply adding ports and subtracting ports on a list?
[09:19] <pollyo> Is that all this thing is doing?
[09:20] <mjbrooks> pollyo, I have my script in /etc/init.d/firewall.sh
[09:20] <mjbrooks> pollyo, pretty much
[09:20] <Terrasque> pollyo: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/
[09:20] <mjbrooks> pollyo, but with a few twists ;)
[09:21] <mjbrooks> pollyo, you basically want
[09:21] <mjbrooks> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[09:21] <mjbrooks> and
[09:21] <mjbrooks> iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
[09:21] <mjbrooks> See Terrasques post above
[09:22] <mjbrooks> hmmm,  adept is showing a version upgrade...  did I miss an announcement today?
[09:24] <mjbrooks> crap, I can't get vnc2swf to compile... I must be tired
[09:25] <pollyo> I'll have to read over this stuff.  Thanks for the input.
[09:25] <mjbrooks> np
[09:26] <Ayabara> is there a way to get independent workspace names for the monitors in a dual screen setup?
[09:38] <zeroflag> oh great, I can't boot feisty because the dmraid version is broken and I can't boot edgy because the graphics drivers are outdated....
[09:45] <pollyo> Hello  I think I might have figured out my firewall can someone try pollyo.gotdns.com
[09:45] <pollyo> I used the guarddog.  I'm still gong to read up on those iptables though.
[09:51] <josh_> Hi all, does anyone have some spare time to help a semi-beginner setup beryl on 7.40 beta? Thanks in advance
[10:02] <hotti> hello, is the ipod-hal (automounting ipod nano) fix in feisty beta?
[10:05] <Toma-> josh_: its pretty easy, 'sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald' then add beryl-manager to your gnome startup programs
[10:06] <josh_> I've installed all the beryl stuff I think, but still not working. Hang on, I'm just testing out linux and have run out of space, so need to fix that asap...back soon
[10:09] <dystopianray> hotti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hal/+bug/66068 is that what you are referring to? in which case I'd say that it is indeed in feisty
[10:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 66068 in udev "New iPod nano recognized as via raid member" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[10:11] <hotti> dystopianray: yes i think that's the one. thanks
[10:11] <hotti> is it easy to upgrade from edgy to feisty beta btw. im a bit new to ubuntu
[10:12] <IdleOne> !upgrade | hotti
[10:12] <ubotu> hotti: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:12] <Toma-> hotti: id advice against installing beta, if you dont quite know what youre doing :)
[10:14] <josh_> hm...doesn't seem to be removing my stuff...looks like it's hung. Why is it that System Monitor reports 163mb free, but 0 available...why the difference?
[10:16] <cps1966> !nvidia
[10:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:19] <josh_> what's the add/remove applications manager called so I can kill it? Can't see it in the processes list
[10:20] <Toma-> synaptic?
[10:20] <josh_> well it's like the lite version of it] 
[10:20] <josh_> applications -> add/remove
[10:21] <Toma-> still calls synaptic once you want to install things
[10:21] <josh_> that's not a running process...at least I can't see it
[10:21] <josh_> found it I think
[10:22] <josh_> yup
[10:22] <Toma-> gnome-app-install?
[10:22] <josh_> hmmm...brb, my cpu is still stuck at 100%....
[10:22] <josh_> yeah, that was it.
[10:22] <Toma-> use top
[10:22] <Toma-> find out whats goin on
[10:23] <Fredrik56> Hello! I'm goin to hade Linux Ubuntu on my computer, mainly for surfing, playing a few videogames and work. I'm wondering what i should use? 7.04? I'm new in the whole linux world so please help me :) Execuse me for my bad english.
[10:23] <zeroflag> this is funny...
[10:24] <zeroflag> installing windows is 20 times easier, faster and more reliable than ubuntu...
[10:24] <Toma-> Fredrik56: Id suggest using edgy for the moment (6.06) as 7.04 isnt quite ready yet
[10:24] <dystopianray> zeroflag: have you ever tried to install windows?
[10:24] <dystopianray> zeroflag: an hour to install, another hour dicking around looking for drivers
[10:24] <mosi|work> i found ubuntu faster, easier than my xp install
[10:24] <zeroflag> it just finished copying files...
[10:24] <dystopianray> zeroflag: more hours trying to get all the programs you want
[10:24] <Fredrik56> Toma- okey. But when 7.04 is ready, is it hard to upgrade?
[10:24] <mosi|work> everything just worked out the box, windows i had to fetch drivers and crap
[10:25] <Toma-> Fredrik56: nope
[10:25] <zeroflag> dystopianray: well, I wasted 2 DAYS to get ubuntu NOT running...
[10:25] <dystopianray> zeroflag: what was the problem?
[10:25] <josh_> what I supposed to be looking for in top? Top only shows about 5% cpu, sys mon is 100%...gonna restart
[10:25] <zeroflag> my raid IS the problem.
[10:25] <zeroflag> grub won't boot with dmraid...
[10:25] <dystopianray> zeroflag: oh fakeraid
[10:26] <Fredrik56> Ok :) Thanks, i have another question to. Do i need drivers? Because when i installed Windows i needed it for internet, sound and stuff, but i've heard that you dont need anything like that in Ubuntu, is it true?
[10:26] <Toma-> zeroflag: call your raid developer and tell them to support linux
[10:26] <Toma-> Fredrik56: not entirely
[10:26] <zeroflag> Toma-: nforce is supported on linux, afaik.
[10:26] <Toma-> Fredrik56: if youre wireless card isnt support on the rare chance, youll need to use ndiswrapper
[10:27] <Toma-> zeroflag: did you read the nvidia forums zeroflag?
[10:27] <zeroflag> no, why?
[10:27] <Toma-> Fredrik56: its all detailed and outlined in the UBuntu Guide that come with Ubuntu... the lil ? icon on the launcher bar
[10:27] <Toma-> zeroflag: youll probably find the solution there
[10:28] <Fredrik56> Ok but like this. My friend is running Ubuntu just for test, his computer lag when he scrolls etc, and its because of the Graphic card right? So we searched for a driver, found one on the Nvidia homepage, but it didnt work. Is it any special drivers for ubuntu 7.04?
[10:28] <edgy> Hi, whenever I play any audio in my fiesty I hear the sound with interruption.  I guessed this is due to the core2 duo processor and I disabled one of them and there is now no interruption (though the sound is low), any one met across such an experience
[10:28] <Toma-> Fredrik56: all detailed in the guide
[10:29] <Fredrik56> I'm so sorry, but which guide? :$
[10:29] <Toma-> Fredrik56: the user guide that comes with ubuntu
[10:30] <Fredrik56> Oh, well thanks :) Wont bother you with stupid questions, bye! :)
[10:35] <balachmar> Hi, could someone help me out with the wireless settings in Feisty>
[10:35] <zeroflag> Toma-: that forum us utterly useless.
[10:36] <balachmar> Previously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant:
[10:36] <balachmar> http://www.wligtenberg.nl/content/view/23/2/
[10:36] <Toma-> zeroflag: errm, did you post your problem?
[10:36] <balachmar> But I don't know how to get this to work with the new gui stuff
[10:38] <zeroflag> Toma-: the forum is half dead, there's no forum for driver issues and a search for linux popped up not even a hand full of posts...
[10:39] <balachmar> zeroflag: what kind of driver issues are you experiencing?
[10:40] <Toma-> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=13
[10:40] <zeroflag> well, that's the funny part. I'm not sure it's the drivers.
[10:40] <zeroflag> that's what Toma- was trying to burden me with.
[10:40] <zeroflag> imo it's dmraid and grub...
[10:40] <Toma-> hehe. help yourself then.
[10:41] <zeroflag> Toma-: Support forum for running NVIDIA based graphics under Linux.
[10:42] <zeroflag> my 8800 is working just fine.
[10:42] <balachmar> So I assume you have some booting or installing problems then, if you are blaiming raid
[10:42] <zeroflag> right.
[10:42] <zeroflag> I tried the fakeraid howto but it doesn't work.
[10:42] <balachmar> I have no experience with that sorry
[10:42] <zeroflag> I got grub to boot but it complains about not finding any block devices.
[10:42] <zeroflag> which was an error I got from dmraid before.
[10:42] <balachmar> What mobo do you have?
[10:43] <zeroflag> I also tried the solutions suggested on the bug report, but they won't work either.
[10:43] <balachmar> Is it and the chipset supported?
[10:43] <zeroflag> m2n sli or something...
[10:43] <zeroflag> nforce 570 SLI
[10:43] <zeroflag> with dmraid it detects the raid.
[10:44] <zeroflag> just the installer refuses to use it and grub refuses to work with it...
[10:45] <balachmar> mm
[10:45] <zeroflag> it's a wellknow bug since the installer was first deployed.
[10:45] <zeroflag> just doesn't seem worth to fix...
[10:46] <zeroflag> and I know too little about how ubuntu boots to fix the issues myself.
[10:47] <balachmar> I'm sorry I can't find anything either and am not an expert on booting either
[10:48] <balachmar> But could someone help me getting my wireless network to work in Feisty?
[10:48] <balachmar> Previously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant:
[10:48] <balachmar> http://www.wligtenberg.nl/content/view/23/2/
[10:48] <zeroflag> I'm wondering if there are any ubuntu distributors on this channel anyways...
[10:49] <neonlinux> has anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card?
[10:49] <zeroflag> (for the record: it took me 20 minutes to install a working windows xp64 on my fakeraid, 2 days with ubuntu and it's still not working.)
[10:51] <balachmar> zeroflag: That doesn't matter, there are also lot's of things that are far easier in ubuntu. And sometimes you just have to invest in something :)
[10:52] <edgy> Hi, whenever I play any audio in my fiesty I hear the sound with interruption.  I guessed this is due to the core2 duo processor and I disabled one of them and there is now no interruption (though the sound is low), any one met across such an experience
[10:52] <zeroflag> well, 2 hours would be worthwhile. 2 DAYS are ridiculous.
[10:53] <balachmar> zeroflag: then maybe linux isn't for you yet
[10:53] <edgy> zeroflag: may be you took 2 days because you don't know how to do it
[10:53] <balachmar> adgy: I have a core2 duo as well, but am not experiencing any such problems
[10:53] <edgy> zeroflag: some one who know would do it in a couple of minutes
[10:53] <edgy> balachmar: this is a toshiba laptop
[10:53] <zeroflag> edgy: then tell me...
[10:54] <josh_> ok, got a bit of free space. Here's what I did trying to install beryl. I first enabled the restricted nvidia device from the system menu. This installed nvidia driver 97xx...on reboot x won't load since my geforce3 is not supported ;) Then I installed all the updates. I installed legacy nvidia driver (74xx I think..?), and tried beryl install from their site as per beryl-ubuntu wiki there. That resinstalled 97xx
[10:54] <josh_> drivers ;) Reverted back, can load beryl settings, but not gl effects work. Restricted drivers says "enabled" but needs restart...whcih I've done, and doesn't change this "restart" msg. Something's got confused somewhere with all my tampering :)
[10:54] <balachmar> edgy: mine is a no name :) has a intel 950 gma videochip on board.. maybe that sais something about the mobo.
[10:54] <edgy> zeroflag: I don't know but I have an IBM server and I did an ubuntu server install and it recognized the raid and I did nothing so don't count on my experience
[10:55] <balachmar> josh_: you should use the legacy nvidia drivers
[10:55] <josh_> I currently am
[10:55] <zeroflag> edgy: because you have a freaking raid controller. I just have a fakeraid and that's not working, at all.
[10:55] <neonlinux> has anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card.. after install i get a blank screen on boot, and i dont have console?
[10:55] <balachmar> josh_: then try to find out what caused the xserver to crash
[10:56] <josh_> it was because I at that point had the newest drivers. It doesn't crash now
[10:56] <edgy> zeroflag: the point is if you took longer to do something new to you doesn't mean that the something is worse or doesn't worth the effort
[10:56] <zeroflag> ubuntu is supposed to be user friendly.
[10:57] <zeroflag> even newbie friendly.
[10:57] <edgy> zeroflag: no you are wrong
[10:57] <zeroflag> I'm not a newbie and it's still impossible for me to make it work.
[10:57] <edgy> zeroflag: ubuntu is just a distribution they don't make drivers for your winmodems e.g
[10:57] <balachmar> zeroflag: I am using ubuntu on several systems and I am not experiencing any difficulties (except for the wireless on the company I work)
[10:58] <edgy> zeroflag: if you come to complain that it took you 2 years to make a driver then you are just discussing the wrong problem
[10:58] <balachmar> josh_ but are you using nvidia drivers atm?
[10:58] <zeroflag> it's not a driver issue.
[10:58] <zeroflag> it's an installer issue.
[10:58] <josh_> I think it's something to do with the restricted drivers still wanting to "restart my pc". Yeah, using nvidia legacy...
[10:58] <edgy> zeroflag: again I discussing the general idea
[10:58] <zeroflag> and a bootloader issue...
[10:59] <balachmar> but then even though the drivers are older, it beryl should work
[10:59] <zeroflag> edgy: the annoying thing is, they knew about the problem for over a year. noone fixed it.
[10:59] <josh_> Perhaps if I reload to the nv driver and uninstall beryl, and start all over...reset my xorg.conf file too
[10:59] <edgy> zeroflag: you paid for windows, why don't you want to pay someone to fix your problem?
[10:59] <zeroflag> edgy: who?
[11:00] <balachmar> josh_ I wouldn't know. I never experienced difficulties with installing beryl sorry :S
[11:00] <edgy> zeroflag: post on the forums or tell people here or maybe at ubuntu-server and you would find an expert guy to help
[11:00] <balachmar> zeroflagL canonical :)
[11:00] <josh_> yeah, the sabayon livecd worked for me
[11:00] <neonlinux> has anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card.. after install i get a blank screen on boot, and i dont have console?
[11:00] <edgy> zeroflag: yes what balachmar suggest is the best option
[11:00] <josh_> how do I revert to nv drivers? Is it the nvi package?
[11:01] <zeroflag> and then we're back to the problem where my lazyness meets my (not existing) money.
[11:03] <zeroflag> bah, this is ridiculous.
[11:03] <balachmar> josh_: I don't think so
[11:04] <balachmar> zeroflag: then just invest some more of your own time. Post to the forum there are most helpful
[11:04] <k_osh> X on my feisty stopped working this (or perhaps last) update. Computer "locks" when X starts. Any idea on how to fix? I'm a far cry from a newbie but this is a first for me. I've always been able to kill X before.
[11:05] <starz> mm
[11:05] <starz> ive noticed the networking is laggy in feisty
[11:05] <k_osh> I'm thinkning that there might be something going on with the modules that X loads.
[11:05] <starz> i can boot into dapper so i see the difference
[11:05] <starz> ssh into somewhere takes like 5 seconds here whereas its like 1 second in dapper
[11:05] <starz> any clue what could cause something like that?
[11:05] <poningru> k_osh: hmm
[11:06] <zeroflag> YES!
[11:06] <starz> is there something i should compile myself or so>?
[11:06] <zeroflag> now I got 2 OSs refusing to boot...
[11:06] <poningru> k_osh: when you bootup what is the error that shows up?
[11:06] <poningru> or do you just see a blank screen?
[11:06] <neonlinux> k_osh: i have the same issue after installing the beta... it just hangs there right?
[11:07] <k_osh> poningru: It appears to be when X (kdm, startx) starts. No error. Nothing in Xorg.0.log, nothing in dmesg...
[11:07] <poningru> buuh...
[11:07] <k_osh> neonlinux: Yeah, I had it in some previous release too. Not lately though.
[11:07] <poningru> k_osh: it just dies?
[11:07] <poningru> k_osh: blank screen?
[11:08] <poningru> k_osh: can you still go to tty1?
[11:08] <k_osh> poningru: yep, just dies. blank screen. Won't accept any input. Not even tty1
[11:08] <neonlinux> k_osh: i dont get tty1 2 3 etc.. do u?
[11:08] <neonlinux> k_osh: ati?
[11:08] <k_osh> installing sshd now to see if the computer is hung or if I can ssh into it.
[11:08] <poningru> hmm could be some module or something
[11:08] <k_osh> neonlinux: No ttys for me either. And yes, radeon-something.
[11:09] <neonlinux> herd 5 works for me.. but i want to install the beta clean.. (and the release when it comes out)
[11:09] <k_osh> poningru: I'm thinking that too. It's the only thing I can think of that would cause this kind of behaviour.
[11:10] <neonlinux> ive read somewhere that you change something in the xorg file.. but the instructions were for those with access to a tty... so i could never do it
[11:10] <k_osh> neonlinux: Well, the beta worked for me for a while, just stopped working this or prehaps the previous update. can't tell what's in those though.
[11:11] <poningru> k_osh: what I would do is get a live cd
[11:11] <poningru> chroot into the install
[11:11] <poningru> and then update
[11:11] <poningru> and then remove the ati/nvidia modules
[11:11] <k_osh> poningru: well, I can still boot the "recovery" part. So I am root at the box atm.
[11:11] <poningru> oh ok
[11:11] <k_osh> sorry, should have mentioned that.
[11:12] <poningru> so right make sure its updated, and remove the ati/nvidia module
[11:12] <k_osh> I am at the latest update now I believe and it still won't work. I should probably try to disable the modules and then report this as a bug.
[11:13] <zeroflag> ok, now. I need suggestions.
[11:13] <k_osh> Where are the modules disabled on ubuntus? not in /etc/modules I assume?
[11:13] <zeroflag> how much of my system do I have to put on / and how much can I put on a different partition/hdd?
[11:14] <zeroflag> I want to make a very small boot/root partition on one of my sata drives which then mounts my raid.
[11:14] <k_osh> In /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ?
[11:16] <k_osh> And what's the name of the ati module? radeon? ati? something else?
[11:17] <Tomcat_> k_osh: radeon = open source, fglrx = binary
[11:17] <Tomcat_> k_osh: But I'm no ATI user, I'm not so sure.
[11:18] <k_osh> Tomcat_: Hmm, I have nvidia but not either of those in my /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file.
[11:18] <k_osh> and I'm pretty sure I do have a radeon card.
[11:18] <poningru> zeroflag: for boot 200mb is recommended by me
[11:18] <Quarup> Hrm, anyone having trouble buildinf
[11:18] <Quarup> Building
[11:18] <poningru> zeroflag: and 2gig for your /
[11:18] <Quarup> I am using todays snapshot and having trouble building something
[11:19] <k_osh> zeroflag: I have a 200mb /boot to kickoff my raid and the rest is on lvm.
[11:19] <zeroflag> poningru: is there any way to install non-essential software anywhere else but /?
[11:19] <mwe> my /var/www is owned by root:root is that correct for feisty? IIRC it used to be www-data.
[11:19] <k_osh> zeroflag: a 200mb on each drive, just for redundancy... ;-)
[11:19] <poningru> mwe: hmm yeah its supposed to be owned by www-data
[11:19] <zeroflag> or should I put EVERYthing but /boot on my raid?
[11:19] <poningru> zeroflag: yeah go for that
[11:19] <poningru> zeroflag: what kinda raid is it?
[11:19] <RAOF> zeroflag: Everything but root on your raid sounds like a good idea.  Nice & easy
[11:19] <k_osh> zeroflag: that's what I've done.
[11:20] <zeroflag> poningru: fakeraid. :[
[11:20] <zeroflag> raid0
[11:20] <mwe> poningru: In that case the installer is broken :|
[11:20] <k_osh> zeroflag: but I use raid1 (mirroring).
[11:20] <poningru> mwe: hold on checking
[11:21] <poningru> mwe: oh wtf
[11:21] <poningru> nm
[11:21] <poningru> mwe: it is owned by root:root
[11:21] <zeroflag> how are my chances of getting the installer to do that?
[11:21] <poningru> I swear like couple of weeks ago it was www-data
[11:21] <zeroflag> I don't want to install it by hand - again. >_<
[11:21] <pavs> ok ubuntu+1 couldnt help me there. After updating to fiesty on my 64 bit laptop i dont have flash anymore. i used to have flash installed in edgy on the 64 bit distro. can anyone help me?
[11:21] <mwe> poningru: I wonder if that's is correct, though
[11:21] <mwe> poningru: it was for edgy
[11:22] <poningru> mwe: hmm
[11:22] <k_osh> zeroflag: fair, but don't use the live-cd.
[11:22] <poningru> zeroflag: there is a howto on the wiki
[11:22] <zeroflag> k_osh: alternate doesn't use dmraid, or at least not properly.
[11:23] <poningru> pavs: hmm
[11:23] <zeroflag> poningru: I know, most of it worked, some didn't.
[11:23] <poningru> you have to do a 32bit browser to do that
[11:23] <poningru> !64bit
[11:23] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[11:24] <pavs> poningru any online howto you can refer me to ?
[11:24] <anti_pop> is it possible to reset K-Menu ? new programms dont add to it here.. for example if i install package "kdegames" there are no new games in "games" :)
[11:24] <poningru> pavs: yeah looking
[11:24] <Quarup> So there are no known problems building so far?
[11:25] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:25] <mwe> poningru: I doubt that apache can write to /var/www when it's owned by root. But maybe it shouldn't anyway.
[11:26] <pavs> thanks
[11:26] <poningru> mwe: right the only trouble though is when you have php apps
[11:26] <poningru> mwe: oh hmm
[11:26] <poningru> nm because the php apps are supposed to be installed elsewhere anyway
[11:30] <Quarup> sean@Noodle:~/Desktop$ locate linux/config.h
[11:30] <Quarup> sean@Noodle:~/Desktop$
[11:30] <Quarup> uhhmmm
[11:31] <Quarup> That is odd?
[11:33] <spikeb> is gnucash installable now?
[11:38] <Quarup> Why do the .deb files not include the config.h ???
[11:38] <Quarup> ...
[11:38] <Quarup> I can't build anything
[11:39] <dystopianray> Quarup: you need the -dev packages
[11:39] <Quarup> I should only need build-essential and linux-headers-'uname-r'
[11:40] <Quarup> the headers should have the config.h
[11:40] <Quarup> dystopianray, what -dev files?
[11:41] <dystopianray> Quarup: what are you trying to build?
[11:41] <Quarup> A driver
[11:41] <Quarup> http://pastebin.ca/432515
[11:42] <Quarup> why is there no config.h?
[11:42] <Quarup> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/BuffaloWLIL11GUSB
[11:42] <dystopianray> Quarup: your driver doesn't seem to support linux 2.6.20
[11:43] <Quarup> lol you mean your distro can't build it?
[11:43] <Quarup> why can't I locate config.h after getting my headers?
[11:43] <dystopianray> my distro?
[11:44] <Quarup> it supports the kernel
[11:44] <dystopianray> becuase it doesn't exist in the kernel version feisty is using
[11:45] <Quarup> dystopianray, so what package do I need?
[11:46] <dystopianray> Quarup: AFAIK you will not be able to build the driver against feisty's kernel without patching the driver source to work with kernels >2.6.19
[11:46] <Quarup> so the new kernel is not backward compatible with any old it will ALL require patching?
[11:47] <dystopianray> what do you mean 'ALL' ?
[11:47] <Quarup> any source created before this kernel?
[11:47] <Quarup> so why would anyone upgrade?
[11:48] <Quarup> I will have to patch anything I want to install?
[11:48] <dystopianray> kernel modules
[11:48] <dystopianray> Quarup: where did you download that orinoco-usb driver?
[11:49] <Quarup> http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html
[11:49] <Quarup> dystopianray, I hope there is a patch
[11:49] <noget> hey there, anybody using RapidSVN or any other svn GUI for that matter who could lend me a short hand?
[11:49] <dystopianray> Quarup: did you checkout the latest orinoco-usb cvs?
[11:49] <Quarup> dystopianray, I followed this guide http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html
[11:50] <dystopianray> Quarup: yes you don't need to tell me twice
[11:50] <Quarup> dystopianray, if i knew how, i am a newb
[11:50] <Quarup> dystopianray, lol you asked me where I got it after i gave it to you the first time
[11:51] <dystopianray> Quarup: well you'll need to find a patch or a newer copy of the driver which supports linux 2.6.20
[11:51] <mosi|work> how do you change the default programs that certains files open with?
[11:52] <Quarup> dystopianray, or go back to a stable workng version of Ubuntu
[11:52] <dystopianray> Quarup: or that, yes
[11:52] <balachmar> Could someone help me out with getting on the wireless university network in Feisty?
[11:53] <Quarup> dystopianray, http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html  on here it says any 2.6.x kernel
[11:53] <balachmar> Previously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant: http://www.wligtenberg.nl/content/view/23/2/
[11:53] <dystopianray> Quarup: it's wrong
[11:53] <dystopianray> balachmar: why aren't you using network-manager?
[11:53] <balachmar> But now I want to do it with the new network-manager, but I don't know how
[11:54] <balachmar> dystopianray: because I find that there are more fields to fill in then I had in the config file :)
[11:54] <dystopianray> balachmar: click on the network-manager icon in the system tray, click the name of the network you want to join, enter encryption details and connect
[11:54] <Quarup> dystopianray, how about http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/RPMS/SUSE_10.1/kernel-default-2.6.21-0.21/ it says 2.6.21
[11:55] <dystopianray> Quarup: you're not running suse
[11:55] <dystopianray> Quarup: or 2.6.21
[11:55] <balachmar> dystopianray: it doesn't use passphrases
[11:55] <balachmar> dystopianray: it uses key_mgmt=IEEE8021X; eap=PEAP ; phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2"
[11:55] <dystopianray> balachmar: you do not enter a username or password?
[11:55] <Quarup> dystopianray, lol I got the last source from a suse rpm that is what the walkthrough said to do the UBUNTU walkthrough
[11:56] <dystopianray> Quarup: I really don't know, you'll have to talk to someone affiliated with the orinoco-usb project
[11:56] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes, but it only will ask me for a passphrase
[11:56] <Quarup> dystopianray, lol ya okay dude
[11:56] <dystopianray> balachmar: that wpa_supplicant config you linked to has lines for identity and password
[11:57] <balachmar> true, so where do I have to fill that in?
[11:57] <balachmar> it only asks me for a passphrase
[11:57] <dystopianray> balachmar: can you select the type of encryption?
[11:58] <balachmar> dystopianray: only from wep 128 bit passphrase, wep64/128 bit hex and wep 64/128 bit ascii
[11:59] <dystopianray> balachmar: are you selecting the right network?
[11:59] <balachmar> dystopianray: and then open system or shared key
[11:59] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes
[11:59] <dystopianray> balachmar: you're using gnome?
[11:59] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes
[11:59] <dystopianray> balachmar: ok, well I'm not familiar with any of the nm-applet dialogs in gnome
[12:00] <balachmar> dystopianray: If I try to connect to other wireless network then I have more options
[12:00] <Quarup> dystopianray,  will this work http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html
[12:00] <dystopianray> Quarup: I don't know
[12:00] <Quarup> well read it
[12:01] <balachmar> dystopianray: then I can select wpa persobak ir enterprise and wpa2 personal and enterprise
[12:01] <dystopianray> balachmar: well you should be able to pick WPA Enterprise or WPA-EAP or similar
[12:01] <balachmar> dystopianray: ok, what key-type should I use then?
[12:01] <dystopianray> balachmar: are you absolutely certain you are picking the correct ssid?
[12:01] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes
[12:02] <cypherdelic> ya know what is funny?
[12:02] <Quarup> http://lwn.net/Articles/221256/
[12:02] <dystopianray> balachmar: and it gives you no WPA Enterprise option?
[12:02] <balachmar> dystopianray: but now I can set the settings, but what does for instance anonymous identity mean?
[12:02] <cypherdelic> my systemmonitor constantly shows doubled bandwith load lol
[12:02] <cypherdelic> Synaptic says 246kb/S
[12:02] <balachmar> dystopianray: no, but I can add it by hand
[12:02] <cypherdelic> system monitor says 501kb/s
[12:02] <cypherdelic> Synaptic is right, System Monitor is wrong
[12:03] <dystopianray> balachmar: most of them you can ignore, you should only need to set it for PEAP and then enter an identity and password
[12:04] <dystopianray> balachmar: what wireless nic do you have?
[12:04] <balachmar> dystopianray: something onboard intel
[12:04] <dystopianray> balachmar: ok, intel wireless should work great
[12:04] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes it works fine, with my home network. The university network is just a pain
[12:04] <dystopianray> balachmar: the university I attend has an almost identical wireless network setup and I use intel 2200 wifi
[12:06] <balachmar> dystopianray: do I need to set the private key file and or password?
[12:06] <dystopianray> balachmar: no, only identity and password and make sure it's set to PEAP
[12:06] <balachmar> The CA Certificate file I know. But do I need the Client Certificate?
[12:06] <dystopianray> balachmar: you don't need to specify any certificates right now
[12:07] <dystopianray> balachmar: identify, password and set it to PEAP, that is all you need
[12:07] <gemidjy> I noticed the package beryl-kubuntu in latest feisty upgrade, but couldn't find any visual change, what does this package do anyway?
[12:07] <dystopianray> balachmar: once it's working then you can mess around with certificates and other settings
[12:07] <dystopianray> gemidjy: probably has aquamarine
[12:07] <balachmar> does it work without the certificates>
[12:08] <dystopianray> balachmar: yes
[12:08] <balachmar> dystopianray: ooh, ok... didn't know that what use are the certificates then?
[12:08] <dystopianray> balachmar: they are used only on the client end so you can verify that the network isn't fake, they're not essential
[12:09] <balachmar> dystopianray: ooh, I get wiser by the day :)
[12:09] <dystopianray> balachmar: so is it working?
[12:09] <balachmar> dystopianray: nope
[12:10] <dystopianray> balachmar: it's not connecting?
[12:10] <balachmar> it is trying, but it won't
[12:10] <dystopianray> balachmar: are you within range from the network?
[12:11] <balachmar> dystopianray: normally the grey balls turn green one after another..
[12:11] <balachmar> dystopianray: yes, well now 1 is green :)
[12:11] <dystopianray> balachmar: ok so it's having some success? I don't know what these balls you speak of are
[12:11] <balachmar> dystopianray: so maybe, just maybe it'll work. It is from the gnome network-manager :)
[12:13] <dystopianray> balachmar: if it does not work, then use wpa_supplicant manually to verify that you can actually connect to the network from your present location right now
[12:14] <balachmar> dystopianray: ok, will try that
[12:14] <balachmar> dystopianray: but I miss the mschap option
[12:15] <balachmar> dystopianray: which is in the config file, but I can't find in the gui to be set
[12:15] <dystopianray> balachmar: it doesn't need to be set, it is autodetected
[12:15] <dystopianray> balachmar: or at least, it shouldn't need to be set
[12:15] <balachmar> dystopianray: ok :)
[12:16] <balachmar> dystopianray: I'm going out for lunch and let my laptop try to connect the the wifi :)
[12:27] <Peterflute> Hi....Anyone know how to mount a udf disck created with roxio directcd?
[12:28] <Peterflute> come to that, how to mount a dvd recorded in a sony handy cam
[12:28] <dystopianray> Peterflute: udf discs should 'just work' like any other disc
[12:28] <Peterflute> I know....It doesn't
[12:28] <Peterflute> The disk is still open....
[12:28] <dystopianray> Peterflute: what happens when you try to mount it?
[12:29] <Peterflute> It just shows on the desktop as a blank dvd
[12:29] <Peterflute> sorry, whats the command to mount it via the console?
[12:30] <dystopianray> Peterflute: mount /dev/cdrom
[12:31] <dystopianray> Peterflute: does this cd work in other computers with other operating systems which don't have roxio directcd?
[12:31] <Peterflute> I have no idea.
[12:32] <Peterflute> tring to mount
[12:32] <Peterflute> thi sis what i have in fstab
[12:32] <Peterflute> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   auto user,noauto     0       0
[12:32] <dystopianray> so what happens when you try to mount it?
[12:33] <Peterflute> using mount /dev/hdc
[12:33] <Peterflute> mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist
[12:34] <dystopianray> does /dev/hdc exist?
[12:36] <ziomal18>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY laser
[12:38] <dystopianray> is the feisty release candidate still planned for later this week?
[12:39] <Peterflute> I'll give my fstab
[12:39] <dystopianray> Peterflute: I already saw the relevants parts I don't need to see the rest
[12:39] <dystopianray> Peterflute: does /dev/hdc exist?
[12:40] <Peterflute> I'm not sure that I understand the question
[12:40] <dystopianray> Peterflute: you are new to linux?
[12:40] <Peterflute> yes
[12:40] <dystopianray> Peterflute: ok, open a terminal and try this: ls /dev/hdc
[12:41] <Peterflute> so it doesn't exist
[12:41] <Peterflute> no such file or entry
[12:42] <dystopianray> Peterflute: did you perform an upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[12:42] <Peterflute> no, its a straight install, but I've been mucking about with iot trying to fix the problem....I've obviously screwed it up (technical term)
[12:43] <dystopianray> Peterflute: how many optical drives do you have?
[12:43] <Peterflute> one
[12:43] <dystopianray> Peterflute: no it seems feisty has screwed up
[12:43] <dystopianray> Peterflute: can you do this in a terminal: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[12:44] <Peterflute> sure
[12:44] <Peterflute> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-04-10 13:29 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
[12:44] <dystopianray> Peterflute: ok your fstab is wrong then
[12:45] <Peterflute> how do i correct it?
[12:45] <dystopianray> Peterflute: open /etc/fstab and change /dev/hdc to /dev/scd0
[12:45] <Peterflute> done
[12:46] <dystopianray> Peterflute: now try mount /dev/cdrom
[12:46] <Peterflute> well, its spinning up....
[12:47] <Peterflute> and still shows as a blank disc
[12:47] <Peterflute> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specifie
[12:50] <dystopianray> Peterflute: ok, well I would recommend trying this disc in another computer that isn't running linux and doesn't have roxio directcd
[12:50] <Peterflute> ok thanks
[12:51] <dystopianray> Peterflute: that will tell whether it's a problem with linux, or a more general issue with roxio only making wierd roxio compatible udf discs
[12:52] <zeroflag> !help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2429829
[12:54] <dystopianray> zeroflag: what error does grub give when it doesn't boot?
[12:54] <zeroflag> dystopianray: it's in the post "no block devices found".
[12:56] <dystopianray> zeroflag: is it grub giving that error or linux?
[12:57] <zeroflag> I think it's linux.
[12:57] <zeroflag> I've seen it before when running dmraid -ay
[12:57] <fenrig> hi
[12:58] <dystopianray> zeroflag: have you tried the suggestions in the bugreport you link to?
[12:59] <fenrig> i have a problem with /dev/hda
[12:59] <fenrig> i dont have it anymore
[12:59] <dystopianray> fenrig: you don't have it going from edgy to feisty?
[12:59] <fenrig> i searched the whole dev folder
[12:59] <zeroflag> dystopianray: I edited the mentioned scripts and ran update-initramfs.
[12:59] <fenrig> no i did a pure install of feisty
[01:00] <dystopianray> zeroflag: and still doesn't work?
[01:00] <zeroflag> dystopianray: nope.
[01:00] <dystopianray> fenrig: do you have /dev/scd0
[01:00] <fenrig> i mean i downloaded the iso, burned it and installed it
[01:00] <zeroflag> I'm currently trying to set it up again.
[01:00] <fenrig> yeah i have that
[01:00] <zeroflag> so I removed everything I had before.
[01:00] <zeroflag> I think there's still something wrong with the installation process.
[01:00] <dystopianray> fenrig: /dev/hda is what your cdrom should be?
[01:01] <fenrig> yes
[01:01] <fenrig> and a lot of apps use it so
[01:01] <dystopianray> fenrig: ok, /dev/scd0 is your cdrom
[01:01] <fenrig> yeah
[01:01] <dystopianray> fenrig: apps should be using /dev/cdrom
[01:01] <fenrig> well not all
[01:02] <fenrig> for instance cedega
[01:02] <fenrig> but how do i configure ubuntu to make back a /dev/hda
[01:02] <dystopianray> fenrig: just configure the apps to use /dev/cdrom
[01:03] <dystopianray> fenrig: it's now /dev/scd0 becuase feisty is using libata for pata devices
[01:04] <dystopianray> fenrig: is cedega using /dev/hda becuase you told it to or becuase it defaulted to that?
[01:04] <dystopianray> fenrig: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[01:04] <fenrig> well it defaulted to that
[01:04] <fenrig> and i cant configure it to do otherwise
[01:05] <dystopianray> fenrig: well i'd say cedega is pretty screwed up if it's forcing /dev/hda as your cdrom
[01:05] <dystopianray> fenrig: go yell at cedega developers
[01:05] <fenrig> ill do that :D
[01:08] <dystopianray> fenrig: apps should be using hal or looking at /dev/cdrom or similar
[01:09] <fenrig> okay
[01:12] <kane77> !herd6
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <josh_> Hi all, I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers working only, if someone can please help
[01:16] <fenrig> hey
[01:17] <fenrig> sorry but i see something strange in /etc/fstab
[01:17] <fenrig> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:17] <RAOF> josh_: Tried System->Administration->Restricted manager ?
[01:17] <fenrig> its still wants to mound /dev/hda to /media/cdrom0
[01:18] <fenrig> but /dev/hda doesnt exist
[01:18] <josh_> I've been doing it manaully. That seems to say enabled but I need to 'restart'. Restarting doesn't make the msg go away. Now, manually, I get /dev/nvidiactl no such device. Failed to init nvidia kernel module
[01:18] <dystopianray> josh_: what nvidia card do you have?
[01:18] <josh_> that way = restricted device mngr
[01:18] <josh_> gf3
[01:18] <dystopianray> fenrig: change fstab so it uses /dev/scd0 isntead of /dev/hda
[01:18] <josh_> using legacy
[01:18] <dystopianray> josh_: did you install nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[01:19] <josh_> yeah. It was working, but something is broken now, after all the switching around of drivers I've done ;)
[01:20] <josh_> well working kinda of. never correctly, but at least I could boot X with nvidia in my xorg.conf. Now I get that module init failed msg
[01:20] <fenrig> thx it fixed cedega
[01:21] <fenrig> i hope the rest too
[01:21] <josh_> So I think I've somehow stuffed up the nvidia kernel module and need to fix it....I've also tried on my backup kernels though, 2.6.20-12, 13 & 14. Same issues.
[01:22] <RAOF> josh_: So, you've installed "nvidia-glx-legacy", you've got the appropriate linux-restricted-modules package installed, and /etc/defaults/linux-restriced-modules-common does *not* have "NV" in it's DISABLED_MODULES line?
[01:23] <josh_> how do I find out what linux-restricted-modules package is installed?
[01:23] <zeroflag> still in need of help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2429829
[01:23] <josh_> and /etc/defaults/linux-restriced-modules-common does *not* have "NV" in it's DISABLED_MODULES line
[01:24] <RAOF> josh_: aptitude show linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` should say "installed"
[01:25] <_steffen_> is there a known bug with the RaLink : RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI   AND/OR  Intel Corporation /Wireless 3945ABG  WLAN cards?? On 6.10 both worked fine, but witjh feisty i get no connection
[01:25] <RAOF> _steffen_: Your Intel 3945 *should* work awesomely.  Mine does.
[01:26] <josh_> Package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic
[01:26] <josh_> State: installed
[01:26] <josh_> I think I'm still in my last test boot using the .12 kernel
[01:27] <_steffen_> RAOF: i see my network, and im pretty shure that i filled in the right parameters... but it still doesnt work
[01:29] <josh_> I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386 & linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic installed - will this cause a conflict?
[01:29] <jube> anyone using ltsp in feisty?
[01:30] <RAOF> josh_: No, not at all.  So, the nvidia drivers should probably work in the 2.6.20-14 kernel.
[01:30] <josh_> nah, not it 12,13 or 14.
[01:30] <josh_> same /dev/nvidiactly no such device, nvidia kernel module init failed error
[01:30] <josh_> that device appears to exist
[01:31] <enyc> Does anybody know about terminfo vs. termcap... I have a need to run a program that needs /etc/termcap instead of terminfo database...
[01:31] <RAOF> Hm, no idea, sorry.
[01:32] <josh_> ok, thanks anway. I'm gonna try complete removal of all nvidia & restricter modules, reinstall, see what happens.
[01:33] <jube> ltsp problem: sound gets messed up when I login on the server as a user who has previously logged from the thin client. Also, the logout/shutdown/hibernate menu causes X to freeze. Seems that logging in on the thin client messes up the home directory settings so they don't work if you later login as that user from the server. Is this normal?
[01:34] <jube> (everything works fine as long as I don't try to use the same user accounts on both the thin client and ltsp server... Not sure if I'm supposed to be able to do that or not.
[01:34] <Infecto> Ubuntu 7.04 is the most user-friendly Ubuntu to date and includes a ground-breaking Windows migration assistant, excellent wireless networking support and improved multimedia support.
[01:34] <Infecto> lol
[01:34] <elvirolo> has anyone experienced system freezes with feisty?
[01:34] <Infecto> my wireless don`t work correct !
[01:35] <josh_> will removing linux-generic break anything important?
[01:35] <SlimeyPete> yes.
[01:35] <SlimeyPete> unless you're replacing it with something else.
[01:35] <josh_> I want to remove it, reboot, reinstall....?
[01:37] <Infecto> can any one tell me whats going on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/99732
[01:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 99732 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "ipw3945 radio kill switch on when returning from suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:38] <Infecto> will it be done after fiesty relase ?
[01:39] <coz_> ok guys I know there are already bugs reported about this but has anyone come up with a good work around for alacarte not working in feisty/
[01:40] <josh_> hm, ok. I can't remove linux-restricted-modules without removing linux-generic. If I do this, and then reinstall without rebooting, will this work?
[01:41] <Infecto> josh_: yes
[01:50] <josh_> does the restricted-driver manager simply get the nvidia-glx or legacy drivers and install them? Same if I did it with apt-get and nvidia-xconfig?
[01:51] <RAOF> josh_: Yes.
[01:52] <Infecto> can some one tell me how to permanently remove from autostart deamons like apache, mysql
[01:52] <Infecto> and similart ?
[01:53] <Infecto> i remove it but after upgrade or else its enabled
[01:53] <Infecto> again
[01:53] <josh_> settings -> preferences -> services...?
[02:01] <zeroflag> what does liloconfig mean by "Ithink you're configuring the base filesystem[...] "?
[02:05] <ferkimi> hi when the new version is scheduled out ?
[02:05] <RAOF> The week of the 19th.
[02:06] <ferkimi> so it's better to wait then to install the old one :)
[02:06] <RAOF> Or install now and upgrade.
[02:07] <ferkimi> patience :)
[02:12] <binks> adept is locked out how can i clear it
[02:12] <josh_> got the nvidia drivers going. Removed/reinstalled the restricted-modules and legacy driver. I note that the restricted driver manager however still wants me to restart, even though I have. Also, it didn't apt-get nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings...just legacy driver
[02:16] <dissonans_> is anyone able to use Opera with current Feisty?
[02:16] <dissonans_> it segfaults directly here
[02:18] <squire> dissonans: i had it working for a short time
[02:19] <dissonans_> squire: it used to work in Feisty for me, but it stopped working before or during easter
[02:19] <dissonans_> also, I don't get sound with the latest kernel update :(
[02:20] <dissonans_> on my Asus Lamborghini laptop
[02:20] <squire> yeah - i wish i knew what changed to cause it to barf
[02:21] <squire> it was prior to the -14 kernel update iirc
[02:22] <squire> the problem is i've been reconfiguring sooo much since installation in march
[02:24] <squire> opera will work with the 7.04 beta cd i have here tho
[02:24] <squire> assuming you don't update
[02:24] <dissonans_> hehe
[02:24] <squire> :] 
[02:24] <zeroflag> lilo can't boot raid0? -.-
[02:24] <dissonans_> yes, the kernel update doesn't kill opera
[02:25] <dissonans_> but it kills my sound :(
[02:25] <dissonans_> which is bad enough
[02:25] <squire> u prefer opera? u r norwegian?
[02:25] <dissonans_> yes I am
[02:25] <dissonans_> I use both opera and firefox
[02:26] <squire> me2
[02:26] <dissonans_> opera is also useful for me since I do some web development
[02:26] <squire> though mostly firefox these days
[02:26] <dissonans_> I tend to prefer firefox too, for practical reasons :|
[02:26] <DarkMageZ> firefox for everyday useage. opera for debugging firefox problems.
[02:26] <squire> heh
[02:27] <squire> firefox barfs more on feisty atm
[02:28] <squire> fortunately, the session recovery is brilliant
[02:28] <Flavourflav> Hi, i used /dev/hdX devices in my /etc/fstab and after an upgrade they weren't found anymore, now fdisk -l lists them has /dev/sdX. Anyone know how i can get the uuid listings of these devices?
[02:28] <DarkMageZ> hmm, i thought it had gotten better. i haven't had firefox crash under feisty yet. but under edgy & dapper it would die @ random.
[02:28] <squire> yeah, it just vanishes from the desktop without warning
[02:29] <squire> and doesn't more sideways ;)
[02:29] <squire> move
[02:30] <squire> it's an infrequent and minor inconvenience tho
[02:41] <squire> anyone using compiz?
[02:41] <DarkMageZ> squire, ypu
[02:41] <DarkMageZ> yup*
[02:42] <squire> any real probs?
[02:43] <DarkMageZ> squire, um. your mileage may vary. best advice is to use aiglx instead of xgl
[02:43] <DarkMageZ> other than that. have fun
[02:44] <squire> oic tnx
[02:44] <squire> it's all a big learning curve right now
[02:45] <squire> only started messing with compiz yesterday :)
[02:46] <zeroflag> my learning curve currently hit grub - which is a very steep, very tall wall of solid ununderstandablility.
[02:46] <squire> it didn't like 3 workspaces :/
[02:46] <squire> grub? why/how?
[02:46] <zeroflag> because it won't boot my raid...
[02:46] <zeroflag> seems I forgot to link my kernel. -.-
[02:47] <squire> ouch
[02:47] <zeroflag> now I'm back into live cd to fix that - after the usual 5 minutes boot on a rather fast machine...
[02:47] <squire> 5 mins? sheesh
[02:48] <squire> what r u running there?
[02:48] <zeroflag> 3600+X2, 8800GTS, 2Gigs of ram, nforce570mb...
[02:49] <squire> nice :)
[02:49] <zeroflag> hmm, my kernel is linked...
[02:51] <zeroflag> forgot the savedefault line...........
[02:52] <squire> :/
[02:53] <zeroflag> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa
[02:53] <squire> why does it always take 5 hours to find out about something which takes 5 secs to implement?
[02:53] <zeroflag> no block devices found...
[02:53] <squire> !!
[02:53] <squire> :)
[02:53] <zeroflag> bug 83231 in all it's beauty...
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 83231 in udev "linux software RAID not working after herd 3 installation.." [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83231
[02:54] <zeroflag> 5 minute boot, take 2146
[02:54] <squire> arghh
[02:54] <squire> c'est la vie
[02:54] <zeroflag> let's see if the bugfixes work this time...
[02:55] <squire> btdtgttsatv
[02:58] <squire> time to try automatix on another m/c i think :)
[03:01] <capiira> hi hi anyone know if ubuntu will come with compiz 0.4 ?
[03:02] <zeroflag> it won't ship with it by default but you can probably grab it from apt...
[03:03] <capiira> ahh ok
[03:05] <capiira> i wonder how long it will take till they find a way to fix the opengl apps flicker :)
[03:05] <capiira> that would be very goo
[03:05] <capiira> d
[03:09] <alindeman> Any idea if I can install eclipse from edgy while overall running feisty?  I need the older version to be compatible with a plugin
[03:10] <capiira> why you dont get it from the eclipse website
[03:11] <alindeman> Yah, I suppose, but it's somewhat nice to use a package manager
[03:11] <capiira> its java you dont need to compile anthing
[03:11] <alindeman> If it's too much trouble, I will, yah
[03:12] <schwuk> anyone know how I can screengrab the logout screen in Ubuntu?
[03:13] <capiira> yeah
[03:13] <capiira> use xnest
[03:13] <phaidros> how to convince pulseaudio, that fireox / epiphany are allowed to play sound also? and mplayer also?
[03:13] <zeroflag> it works! \o/
[03:13] <phaidros> s/fireox/firefox
[03:14] <phaidros> any pulseaudio experts?
[03:14] <AngryElf_> Is the ATI proprietary driver known to be buggy(slow, choppy with 3d)?
[03:15] <zeroflag> how can I set up a new user properly?
[03:15] <zeroflag> my new user doesn't have a home or anything. -.-
[03:15] <phaidros> zeroflag: "sudo adduser" in terminalshould guide you trought
[03:16] <AngryElf_> zeroflag: system -> administration -> users
[03:16] <MrFeetio> I can't get KVM to install, it "Depends: kvm-api-9  but it is not installable"
[03:16] <capiira> or use the adduser pannel
[03:16] <MrFeetio> how can I solve the dependency
[03:17] <capiira> by edititing the package or by forcing apt to install anyway
[03:17] <MrFeetio> does it really need kvm-api-9
[03:17] <zeroflag> phaidros: thanks, worked.
[03:18] <phaidros> np
[03:18] <zeroflag> I forgot to add any user but root. :P
[03:19] <zeroflag> but after 3 days of annoyance it seems I have a working feisty on my fakeraid in dualboot with my windows.
[03:19] <capiira> MrFeetio: dunno check their site out
[03:20] <capiira> but i think it depends because the file is called (kvm)-api-9
[03:21] <capiira> go seach for that file and copy it to right folder
[03:22] <capiira> or for the package that contain that file
[03:22] <livingtm> Did they announce the name of feisty+1 yet?
[03:23] <capiira> ? feisty Faw ? or what do you mean with "name"?
[03:24] <MrFeetio> im voting for horny hippo
[03:24] <capiira> lol
[03:25] <capiira> ahh feisty+1 ;)
[03:26] <capiira> i love that unofficial ubuntu female ass logo :)
[03:27] <livingtm> i heard they were going to announce that this week
[03:27] <capiira> maybe that use it someday :)
[03:30] <capiira> let me continue my kde vs gnome list that will help me to decide what to use
[03:31] <Hobbsee> capiira: where?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> livingtm: no
[03:32] <capiira> ? where?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> livingtm: and i dont know where you heard that - hasnt been on any mailing lists from ubuntu
[03:32] <Hobbsee> [23:26]  <capiira> i love that unofficial ubuntu female ass logo :)
[03:33] <capiira> NOT WORK/PARENTS SAVE!!! http://quarkblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/ubuntu.jpg :)
[03:33] <capiira> that one
[03:34] <Hobbsee> uh, right.
[03:34] <capiira> simply beautiful :
[03:34] <capiira> lol
[03:35] <capiira> nah its simply well done even different colors
[03:35] <Hobbsee> or arent getting enough.  either way...
[03:35] <capiira> heh
[03:39] <capiira> btw anyone know a decent ftp app for gnome ? something like KFTPGrabber
[03:41] <bur[n] er> ...and appreciates the beauty of the female form...
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: heh.  poor you
[03:46] <bur[n] er> Hobbsee: it's all good and for the record, I respect women and love the fact that women in ubuntu seems to be growing
[03:46] <Hobbsee> sure sure
[03:48] <AngryElf_> Is the ATI proprietary driver known to be buggy(slow, choppy with 3d)?
[03:49] <SlimeyPete> it's buggy, yes, and it doesn't like the Composite extension.
[03:49] <AngryElf_> composite extension?
[03:49] <SlimeyPete> it's working OK for me atm though.
[03:49] <SlimeyPete> it's an XGL thing.
[03:49] <AngryElf_> default with Fiesty?
[03:50] <AngryElf_> ...it's fine, window management etc, but screensavers throw it a good one
[03:50] <SlimeyPete> if you turn on Desktop Effects, yes
[03:50] <squire> slimeypete: aha
[03:50] <capiira> ATI drivers was never good, doesn't matter what OS
[03:50] <AngryElf_> where do I enable desktop effects?
[03:50] <Fredrik56> Is it any Nvidia drivers for Fiesty Beta out?
[03:50] <SlimeyPete> AngryElf_: It's in System -> Administration IIRC
[03:50] <bur[n] er> nvidia drivers are in feisty yes...  9755 version
[03:50] <SlimeyPete> Fredrik56: nvidia-glx is in the repositories
[03:51] <squire> compiz doesn't like 3 workspace config on this ati m/c
[03:51] <SlimeyPete> AngryElf_: I just tried running a GL screensaver and my system seems to handle it OK. The ATI drivers are notorious for loving some cards and hating others, though.
[03:52] <bur[n] er> ooh... 37 updates today :)  gnome 2.18.1 must have hit
[03:52] <Tomcat_> .1 already? :o
[03:53] <bur[n] er> nvidia was backed up Fredrik56, it' the old version again..  nvidia-glx [1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-14.15]  (1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-14.16 Ubuntu:7.04/feisty)
[03:54] <Fredrik56> Ok. Thanks.
[03:54] <Fredrik56> I've heard that Wine doesnt work for Fiesty intelx86, is it true?
[03:54] <bur[n] er> nope
[03:54] <mips> I'm having display issues with Kubuntu Feisty on nv 6600. Everything is just junk, cannot make out anything when it gets to the login screen
[03:54] <bur[n] er> wine works fine to play warcraft 3 here and call of duty
[03:55] <Fredrik56> Ok :)
[03:55] <bur[n] er> mips: nv driver? nvidia driver?
[03:55] <mips> well it is the default nv driver, what you get after a fresh install
[03:55] <bur[n] er> mips: widescreen by chance?  I couldn't get nv to display a widescreen display correctly
[03:55] <bur[n] er> nvidia works though
[03:55] <mips> nope normal 4:3 crt
[03:56] <mips> any ideas as to a fix ?
[03:56] <bur[n] er> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:56] <bur[n] er> then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig enable"
[03:56] <bur[n] er> then restart x with "ctrl+alt+backspace"
[03:57] <mips> can i do that from the rescue mode ?
[03:57] <bur[n] er> you can apt-get it, then just restart
[03:57] <bur[n] er> oh, and run hte xconfig enable to set nvidia as the driver in xorg.conf for you
[03:57] <mips> ok, ctrl-alt-backspace just throws me back to the same place, gibberish
[03:58] <mips> let me reboot and try that
[03:58] <mips> thx
[03:58] <bur[n] er> np, hope it works
[03:58] <mips> brb
[03:59] <Mena> HI, is there a way to lock a folder with password on kubuntu
[03:59] <bur[n] er> Mena: there's a way to lock a folder to only your user
[04:00] <Mena> bur[n] er, you mean permisions
[04:00] <bur[n] er> right
[04:01] <Mena> bur[n] er, ok :)
[04:03] <Mena> bur[n] er, Thanks
[04:03] <Mena> Bye
[04:07] <finalbeta> !sftp
[04:07] <finalbeta> Anyone knows a GUI sftp client?
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <chijin> konqueror
[04:08] <zdzichuBG> or nautilus
[04:10] <netmon1> Does anyone happen to have a Dell E1505 or E1705 laptop
[04:11] <Hobbsee> !pidgin
[04:11] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - chances are it will still be called Gaim in Feisty; look for the change in Feisty+1
[04:12] <mips> bur[n] er, thx that sorted the display issue out. Bit alarming that the nv driver is fooked for me.
[04:13] <peter77> Gnome AIM has to change name?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> !no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!
[04:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:13] <Hobbsee> !pidgin
[04:13] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!
[04:13] <Hobbsee> !no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[04:13] <bur[n] er> mips: glad to hear you're working now though :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> !ping
[04:14] <ubotu> pong
[04:14] <peter77> I can put it in myself though :-)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> !no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[04:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[04:14] <Hobbsee> good bot.
[04:14] <dennis_> lol
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[04:23] (Noah0504/#ubuntu+1) I'm still waiting for the bug I filed for SoundConverter to be fixed.
[04:23] (jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, it works so much better, and ive themed wine with the human theme so it doesnt look like its running in wine at all
[04:23] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) jimmy_: here's 0.5 deluge if you want a gtk app.   http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/
[04:23] (jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, it goes in the tray but its so ugly
[04:23] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) for sure... speaking of ugly tray icons, what's up with liferea these days
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[04:26] (Hobbsee/#ubuntu+1) crimsun: i didnt see why the binary only removals would be necessary
[04:26] (zdzichuBG/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er: uh, ugly
[04:26] (nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) xchat is the same way... tray icon has gray background
[04:26] (Hobbsee/#ubuntu+1) crimsun: surely that would be source and binary?
[04:26] (zdzichuBG/#ubuntu+1) btw, gnome-panel translucenty isn't composite aware?
[04:26] (Noah0504/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er: What are some of the major bugs with .4 of Deluge anyway?
[04:27] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) Noah0504: just the fact you can't open .torrent files by clicking them from the browser
[04:27] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) Noah0504: it was a major rewrite... a whole lot has changed
[04:27] (jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8572/screenshotap9.png
[04:27] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: that awn?
[04:28] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, yeah
[04:28] <jimmy_> with rhythmbox plugin
[04:28] <bur[n] er> how well does it work?  still sketchy or good for everyday use?
[04:28] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, im loving it
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> Is there a reason why the font rendering is so bad in feisty (with xfce) (got rid of the hardcoded 100 dpi)
[04:28] <bur[n] er> jimmy_:   any .debs or you compile it?
[04:28] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, one or two bugs, but only aesthetics
[04:28] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, i got it from svn
[04:29] <finalbeta> !paste
[04:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:29] <Noah0504> bur[n] er: Well, with the .5 DEBs you pointed me to, I'm not having much luck opening torrents from FireFox.  Do I have to associate manually, or is Deluge suppose to become the default?
[04:30] <jimmy_> Noah0504, right click on a .torrent file on your desktop, then click properties, then choose to open it with deluge-torrent
[04:30] <jimmy_> Noah0504, then restart firefox
[04:30] <bur[n] er> Noah0504: just open with deluge, it'll work
[04:32] <jimmy_> man i wish awn had a trash can plugin
[04:33] <Noah0504> So, is RC1 still expected for the 12th?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Noah0504: 48 hours or so
[04:34] <Hobbsee> will be the test builds
[04:34] <Noah0504> Good stuff.
[04:35] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: play with screenlets yet?  they're some good eye-candy
[04:35] <mips> Apparently feisty has an easier way of installing the stuff like codecs etc. Where do I look
[04:35] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, no?
[04:36] <jimmy_> mips, either in add remove programs, or just run a divx, or quicktime, or wmv video
[04:36] <jimmy_> mips, itll ask you if you want to install it
[04:36] <kane77> my feisty stays up to date (if i update) so it will be the final version as soon as it's released?
[04:36] <mips> am i suppose to enable any extra repos because I saw nothing in add/remove programs
[04:36] <mips> kane77, yes
[04:36] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/ubuntu/  <--debs   http://www.flickr.com/photos/67534389@N00/432612528/ <--pictures
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mips: no
[04:37] <kane77> mips, it should work without adding anything to repos..
[04:37] <bur[n] er> mips: just open something with totem and it'll auto-install
[04:41] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, i just added it to repo now, im going to try it out, thanks
[04:41] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, can you hotkey something so the widgets dissappear, like in osx?
[04:42] <mips> does feisty not automount all your drives/volumes ?
[04:43] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: not that i've found...  I think there are tie-ins to beryl somehow, but I have yet to explore that
[04:43] <jimmy_> ahh im not running beryl
[04:43] <bur[n] er> mips: mounts mine... even ntfs drives
[04:43] <mips> Weird, I dont see them under storage media
[04:43] <jimmy_> bbl
[04:44] <Noah0504> Does Azureus depend on Sun-Java?  I know it's not a required dependency, but does it do anything to have it installed?
[04:44] <capiira> will ubuntu come with the new gaim version renamed?
[04:44] <aaroncampbell> I'm running Kubuntu Feisty, and Adept is asking me to "upgrade" nvidia-glx from Installed Version 1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-14.15 to Candidate Version 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-14.16  Am I reading that wrong?  Or is that a downgrade?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> capiira: please see the /topic
[04:45] <mips> bur[n] er sorry, looked in a plce where i usually expect them, they can be found in /
[04:45] <capiira> oh heh
[04:45] <Hobbsee> aaroncampbell: it's deliberate
[04:45] <capiira> yeah azureus depends of java
[04:45] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: http://compiz.org/index.php?title=Desktop_Screenlets
[04:45] <bur[n] er> mips: mine are in /media
[04:46] <aaroncampbell> Hobbsee: ok, why?  I'm a little afraid to do it, because I had to wait for 9755 for support for my card (8800gts)
[04:46] <capiira> azureus was coded with/for java
[04:46] <Hobbsee> aaroncampbell: because nvidia's dropped support for some fo the chipsets, so it's changed
[04:47] <Hobbsee> oh wait.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> i think you may need nvidia-glx-new
[04:47] <mips> bur[n] er thats where i expected them to be but they were in /
[04:51] <kerc> i was wondering if I can get transparancy and some other effects in Feisty Fawn, I have nvidia mx400 video card and nvidia-glx-legacy installed
[04:51] <kerc> although when i run desktop effects from the menu i get no Composite extension available or something.
[04:52] <bur[n] er> kerc: did you change your xorg.conf to use the new nvidia driver?
[04:52] <bur[n] er> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:53] <kerc> bur[n] er: i get an error
[04:53] <kerc> let me paste it
[04:54] <bur[n] er> !pastebin |kerc
[04:54] <ubotu> kerc: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:54] <bur[n] er> use that if it's more than a line or two
[04:54] <kerc> bur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14884/
[04:55] <bur[n] er> kerc: just manually edit it then.  gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the nv driver to nvidia
[04:55] <kerc> bur[n] er: ok.. but I don't want to broke something ;)
[04:55] <Alpha_Cluster> is anyone else running feisty haveing weird problems with gnome?
[04:56] <capiira> my prob with gnome in feisty was the slowness
[04:56] <capiira> (still is)
[04:56] <kerc> bur[n] er: it is nvidia
[04:56] <Alpha_Cluster> um im having a problem with that
[04:57] <capiira> and not working compiz cube
[04:57] <Alpha_Cluster> my gnome boots but then goes slow as hell
[04:57] <Alpha_Cluster> and im running of the radeon driver
[04:57] <capiira> me nvidia
[04:57] <kerc> bur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14886/ - this is my xorg.conf
[04:57] <bur[n] er> kerc: i'm unsure... i don't have any nvidia-legacy stuff :\
[04:57] <Alpha_Cluster> and i dont know but i think i have a warninng poping up since i got a odd white box appearing in the upper left of my gnome splash
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> My issue's are - dpi hardwired at 100 (stupid cannot see a reason for that at all) fonts don't line up with the pixels on the lcd
[04:57] <capiira> my slowness prob is a lagging while moving the window
[04:57] <bur[n] er> Alpha_Cluster: grey box in the top left and no splash screen between gdm & gnome?
[04:58] <bur[n] er> capiira: get better video drivers
[04:58] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: removing
[04:58] <capiira> nvidia original
[04:58] <bur[n] er> Hobbsee: removing 0.4 of deluge?  cool :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: yep
[04:58] <kerc> bur[n] er: I see the last line from my xorg.conf Option "Composite" "Disable". Do I have to change disable with enable ?
[04:59] <bur[n] er> thanks Hobbsee, no deluge is better than deluge that doesn't work from browser :)
[04:59] <zeroflag> I just installed ubuntu-desktop, how do I start gnome? reboot? or do I have to set it up first?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> indeed
[04:59] <Alpha_Cluster> zeroflag: you should just be able to restart X and then select it from sessons
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> zeroflag: to restart X just press ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:00] <zeroflag> Alpha_Cluster: there's no X launched yet, this is a fresh install.
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> oh
[05:01] <Alpha_Cluster> zeroflag: then type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:01] <Alpha_Cluster> or sudo gdm
[05:01] <bur[n] er> kerc: sounds about right
[05:03] <kerc> bur[n] er: i tried but same issue
[05:04] <bur[n] er> kerc: disable glx?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/105187
[05:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 105187 in deluge-torrent "Please remove deluge-torrent 0.4.1-2 source+binary from feisty/universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:05] <kerc> bur[n] er: i didn't
[05:05] <bur[n] er> kerc: there's an option that's something like... enablecompositewithglx or something
[05:06] <bur[n] er> Hobbsee: random questoin, but does crimsun == daniel holbach?
[05:06] <bur[n] er> nope
[05:06] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: nope.  that's dholbach
[05:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: == daniel chen
[05:06] <zeroflag> grrr.
[05:06] <zeroflag> I just pressed ctrl alt f1.
[05:07] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[05:07] <zeroflag> now my monitor shut down and I can't get into any shell or gnome.
[05:07] <Alpha_Cluster> zeroflag: yeah that is a problem with the nvidia driver
[05:07] <zeroflag> wasnt ctrl alt f1 the hotkey for a shell?
[05:07] <zeroflag> argh.
[05:07] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont knwo why it happens sometimes
[05:07] <zeroflag> rebooted, monitor shut down again.
[05:08] <Alpha_Cluster> really?
[05:08] <zeroflag> yeah, as soon as it started booting
[05:08] <bur[n] er> zeroflag: it is, but some drivers break that... try going back to X with ctrl+alt+f7
[05:08] <zeroflag> seems console uses some resolution my monitor can't provide.
[05:09] <kerc> bur[n] er: do you know what video card is working correctly and fine with those effects?
[05:10] <bur[n] er> kerc: mine is :)  geforce 6200
[05:10] <kerc> bur[n] er: seems that I have to smash this video card.
[05:10] <bur[n] er> kerc: i think you can make it work... i had an mx440 back with edgy and had beryl working
[05:12] <kerc> bur[n] er: yea, but know we have feisty, totally different.
[05:13] <kerc> bur[n] er: seems that nvidia doesn't support something, i don't know what.
[05:13] <bur[n] er> kerc: did you disable glx and try?
[05:13] <bur[n] er> just add a # to comment it near the top
[05:13] <kerc> in xorg.conf?
[05:15] <bur[n] er> try this kerc?  Option "AllowGLXWithComposite"   "true"
[05:15] <zeroflag> I'm trying to add syaptic to my administration menu but it's listed cursive.
[05:15] <kerc> bur[n] er: no, where do I have to write that?
[05:16] <kerc> bur[n] er: in Section "Extensions" ?
[05:17] <kerc> bur[n] er: where I have that option "Composite" "Disable"
[05:17] <bur[n] er> nope
[05:17] <bur[n] er> under the Driver "nvidia"
[05:17] <kerc> bur[n] er: ok
[05:18] <kerc> bur[n] er: i'm done, what now?
[05:19] <bur[n] er> kerc: restart x
[05:19] <kerc> bur[n] er: ok
[05:24] <Lin_> heya.. Im pretty sure that feisty beta alternate CD didn't recognize my atheros card. As far as i could notice it didn't has the restricted modules while installing. There is any way to make that modules available on boot?
[05:28] <anti_pop> my K-Menu doesnt add new installed programs
[05:28] <anti_pop> why is that ?
[05:29] <kerc> bur[n] er: i get the nvidia logo and the login but when i write my user and pass I get a white screen
[05:30] <kerc> bur[n] er: now i'm on a console.
[05:31] <Alpha_Cluster> so does anyone know if Pidgin 2.0 is guna make it into Fesity?
[05:32] <peter77> no
[05:32] <peter77> !pidgin
[05:32] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[05:32] <Alpha_Cluster> ah ok
[05:32] <peter77> lol
[05:33] <peter77> everyone was talking about it about an hour ago :-)
[05:33] <Alpha_Cluster> well i wasnt here an hour ago lol
[05:33] <peter77> lol
[05:34] <Lin_> Alpha_Cluster: what is pidgin?
[05:34] <kkathman> pidgin = gaim v2
[05:34] <Lin_> i read
[05:34] <peter77> so w I take it GAIM was called GAIM before AOL copyrighted AIM
[05:34] <Lin_> :-)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Alpha_Cluster: see /topic
[05:34] <Alpha_Cluster> >.< it was in topic >><
[05:35] <Alpha_Cluster> wow i feel dumb now >.<
[05:35] <Lin_> why someone has created this stupid laws? just to employ lawyers.. that is it.
[05:35] <peter77> stupid
[05:35] <kkathman> is it safe yet to do an "in place" dist-upgrade from edgy, or should one wait at this point?
[05:36] <peter77> ooh GAIM is similar to AIM so they sue
[05:36] <_dennis_> Gnome + AIM ;)
[05:36] <peter77> GTK + AIM
[05:36] <zdzichuBG> _dennis_: precisely it was GTK+
[05:36] <aaroncampbell> Where can I go to see if my card needs nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[05:36] <zdzichuBG> GTK+ Aol Instant Messenger
[05:37] <mosi|work> whats the default root pass?
[05:37] <mosi|work> so i can login using su in terminal
[05:37] <peter77> password?
[05:37] <Alpha_Cluster> you have to go and sudo su
[05:37] <peter77> why not use sudo
[05:37] <_dennis_> ah, sry, i thought it was similar the the K of kde...
[05:37] <Alpha_Cluster> then you can set it using passwd if you really must but sudo su does the smae
[05:37] <mosi|work> ah sudo su works thanks
[05:38] <mosi|work> well sudo was complaining about some long command im doing
[05:38] <mosi|work> so i wanted to try it just as root
[05:38] <peter77> ahh
[05:39] <mosi|work> yea, its working as root now :)
[05:39] <bur[n] er> kerc: so... maybe that option isn't so great ;)
[05:39] <kerc> bur[n] er: yep
[05:39] <kerc> bur[n] er: any ideas?
[05:40] <bur[n] er> kerc: try disabling that option and glx at the top
[05:41] <kerc> bur[n] er: can you rephrase please ? :)
[05:41] <kerc> bur[n] er: i don't get you.
[05:41] <bur[n] er> put a # in front of glx in your xorg.conf as well as the new option we put in that caused this new white screen
[05:43] <kerc> bur[n] er: and where is glx ? lol
[05:45] <jimmy_> anyone else getting rhythmbox to read an itunes share? the itunes users on my network can read mine, but i cant read theirs, i see them though
[05:45] <kerc> bur[n] er: i will try something else, i changed Disable with Enable in Option "Composite" "Disable"
[05:45] <kerc> bur[n] er: let me restart X again to see if it works.
[05:47] <kerc> bur[n] er: its not working. where is glx?
[05:47] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, these screenlets are really nice, but i cant get the weather one to work, it asks for a u.s. zip code, and im not in the u.s. :\
[05:48] <aaroncampbell> Where can I go to see if my card needs nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[05:48] <zeroflag> how can I setup the resolution used by my shell?
[05:51] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: sorry man, I'm sure they accept patches ;)  http://compiz.org/index.php?title=Desktop_Screenlets
[05:52] <bur[n] er> aaroncampbell: what kind of card?
[05:52] <kerc> bur[n] er: do you have any ideas how can I enable some effects please?
[05:52] <aaroncampbell> 8800GTS
[05:53] <bur[n] er> aaroncampbell: it's definitely not legacy ;)
[05:53] <bur[n] er> kerc: #ubuntu-effects might be more help
[05:53] <aaroncampbell> bur[n] er: I know that. ;)
[05:53] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, its so nice though
[05:54] <kerc> bur[n] er: I joined there about an hour ago and no one is there.
[05:54] <bur[n] er> aaroncampbell: http://www.mepisguides.com/Mepis-6/nvidia-glx/Mepis-6-0-4/nvidia-glx-legacy-604.html <--little thing i found
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> bur[n] er: thanks, I tried that too...but got no answer
[05:54] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9672/screenshotzh1.png
[05:55] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: I heard kde4 widgets are going to support those made for mac dashboard :)
[05:55] <bur[n] er> jimmy_: slick :)  I hope these screenlets really take off
[05:56] <jimmy_> bur[n] er, if they support mac dashboard widgets, it would  be amazing
[05:56] <aaroncampbell> bur[n] er: that's only for legacy or regular...there is a 3rd option now :|
[05:57] <bur[n] er> that's what I'm sayin... I have been trying to hack my own screenlet, but I can't find a great source to get snowfall from other than parsing a large .html file :\
[05:57] <bur[n] er> aaroncampbell: wiki.ubuntu.com awaits your findings ;)
[05:57] <kerc> bur[n] er: seems that I'll smash my video card and buy a new one.
[05:59] <bur[n] er> is it pci?  I'll have it :)  one of my desktops only has an intel i810 that can't do 1440x900
[05:59] <kerc> bur[n] er: do you know another video card without making problems? lol
[05:59] <bur[n] er> kerc: i use a geforce 6200 that works really well
[05:59] <kerc> bur[n] er: on Feisty Fawn ?
[06:00] <bur[n] er> yeah
[06:00] <bur[n] er> and edgy
[06:00] <bur[n] er> and dapper
[06:00] <bur[n] er> i used to run xgl on dapper with this thing
[06:00] <bur[n] er> oh yeah... you could try Xgl kerc
[06:00] <Lin_> someone can access my company website.. I want to check if nat is right. It has to open a web site not a blank page with a single phrase.
[06:01] <Lin_> http://www.ibeu.org.br
[06:02] <anti_pop> is the tool kleansweep safe to use ?
[06:03] <kynes> why do
[06:04] <kynes> why does "Control Panel" exist in my Feisty AMD64 version?
[06:04] <kynes> does not I mean..
[06:04] <bur[n] er> it doesn't exist in anything anymore
[06:04] <bur[n] er> no menus anyway. you can run it via gnome-control-center
[06:05] <zulfajuniadi> Lin_ your website is not loading properly
[06:06] <Lin_> problems about rendering the web site?
[06:06] <Lin_> in linux firefox.. I know.. damn stupid web designers.
[06:06] <Lin_> i have to hit them in the head .. hit hard
[06:07] <zulfajuniadi> Lin_ yes in ff, trying now in ie...
[06:07] <Lin_> in ie it works ;-)
[06:08] <Lin_> zulfajuniadi: thanks for your help.. but i dont care to IE ;-)
[06:08] <chijin> there's a huge white empty space in the middle in my ff
[06:08] <zulfajuniadi> Lin_ in ie it's ok, but not in f... hit 'em hard... haha
[06:08] <Lin_> sure I will ;-)
[06:11] <bur[n] er> Lin_: it's just a problem with the flash stuff here... nat seems to be fine
[06:11] <peter77> later
[06:12] <zeroflag> it seems nvidia-glx-config screwed up my x config and now it won't start, how can I fix that?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> zeroflag: manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or put the backup that was created in its place
[06:12] <chrisbudden14> kernel panic anyone?
[06:13] <zeroflag> bur[n] er: and what should I be looking for when editing that file?
[06:13] <zeroflag> x says it can't start the nvidia kernel module...
[06:14] <bur[n] er> driver "nvidia" change to driver "nv"
[06:14] <bur[n] er> zeroflag: what kind of card?  did you try nvidia-glx instead of the legacy?
[06:15] <zeroflag> 8800 GTS
[06:15] <zeroflag> and yes, nvidia-glx, not legacy
[06:15] <SlimeyPete> that might be too new?
[06:15] <bur[n] er> could be that you need hte newest 9755 driver zeroflag
[06:15] <bur[n] er> though I'm unsure
[06:15] <zeroflag> it worked 20 minutes ago until I installed nvidia packages...
[06:16] <kynes> I think I solved that one by removing nvidiakernel-common package.. and then compiled NVIDIA's tar.gz
[06:16] <bur[n] er> you can go back to the "nv" driver, but that won't be 3d enhanced or ready for beryl
[06:16] <zeroflag> it can't load the module "wfb"...
[06:16] <kynes> but NVIDIA's program can't configure X correctly so I had to find it out
[06:16] <kynes> I can provide a sample xorg.conf to you
[06:16] <zeroflag> uhoh.
[06:16] <kynes> oh, then it's different
[06:17] <zeroflag> kernel module version is 1.0-9631, X module is 1.0-9755
[06:17] <zeroflag> how can I upgrade the kernel module?
[06:17] <kynes> bur[n] er : what's your card model?
[06:17] <bur[n] er> you can't zeroflag, they just downgraded it in feisty... did you restart X after getting the new packages?
[06:18] <bur[n] er> kynes: geforce 6200
[06:18] <kynes> as I said, it requires removing nvidiakernel-common.. but read it on the forums
[06:18] <zeroflag> bur[n] er: yes, and that's where it refused to start.
[06:18] <kynes> I don't remember the configuration process that much
[06:18] <kynes> it was problematic for me
[06:18] <kynes> bur[n] er : mine is geforce go 7400
[06:19] <kynes> and installing drivers of new models is problematic..
[06:19] <kynes> believe me :)
[06:19] <bur[n] er> oh
[06:19] <kynes> zeroflag : I guess when you installed with NVIDIA's official program, it worked that session
[06:19] <kynes> and after that, when you rebooted, it screwed up
[06:20] <bur[n] er> brb
[06:20] <zeroflag> kynes: and how am I supposed to fix that?
[06:21] <kynes> let me take a look at my configuration
[06:22] <kynes> by the way, installing with NVIDIA's program caused my wireless card to cease functioning once..
[06:22] <kynes> I went mad that time, but somehow I managed to repair
[06:23] <kynes> okay, I've taken a look at my packages
[06:24] <kynes> and I only have nvidia-kernel-common installed
[06:24] <kynes> no nvidia-glx stuff
[06:24] <kynes> I'm always recompiling the driver with NVIDIA's program from the website
[06:24] <kynes> and let me paste my xorg.conf
[06:24] <kynes> it might help
[06:26] <kynes> http://pastebin.ca/433085
[06:27] <kynes> the fontpaths in the "Files" section caused problems
[06:27] <bur[n] er> ok, all that crap I was talking about beryl working... it doesn't work for me either after restarting X after the new downgrade ;)  i have a kernel & X driver mismatch as well
[06:27] <kynes> so I commented them out
[06:27] <kynes> bur[n] er : downgrade??
[06:30] <bur[n] er> kynes: the new nvidia-glx package in feisty downgrades to 9631 from 9755
[06:30] <aaroncampbell> For anyone that saw my previous questions, and cared, the nVidia 8800GTS needs the nvidia-glx-new package.
[06:31] <aaroncampbell> If you still need the 9755, get the -new package
[06:31] <bur[n] er> aaroncampbell: right on, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new... now I wonder what cards go where ;)
[06:31] <aaroncampbell> bur[n] er: I can't find any lists...but I know the 8800 is in the -new
[06:31] <TheVault> Does this happen to anyone else. When your at the splash screen of ubuntu where its loading up, when it gets kinda half way, it just sits there for about a minute or so and then loads up the rest. Is this happening to anyone else?
[06:32] <kynes> yes
[06:32] <kynes> TheVault : like %30 of the time
[06:32] <TheVault> Alright, its good to hear its not just me then
[06:32] <kynes> I think the actual problem is this..
[06:32] <TheVault> ?
[06:33] <kynes> when I don't start my computer with wireless card enabled (ipw3945 card)
[06:33] <kynes> ubuntu won't start
[06:33] <kynes> it just freezes
[06:33] <kynes> but when I enable it, everything's normal :)
[06:34] <kynes> TheVault : yes, I was wondering if it was just me too
[06:34] <TheVault> kynes: weird. Well I just noticed it did this slow loading for me, even when I had wireless enabled or not. Weird thing was is that, I have a Broadcom 43xx Chipset Card, and it showed my wifi light lit up when I installed feisty, but it did not pickup signals, so I had to get the firmware thing.
[06:35] <TheVault> Now everything works. So I'm not sure what the problem is but lucky I'm not the only one with this problem. Besides, we are using Beta, so of course there is problems :P
[06:35] <TheVault> But overall, I LOVE FEISTY!
[06:36] <kynes> TheVault : I did not say slow loading is gone.. I just said that Ubuntu could start :) so, sometimes it loads slow
[06:36] <kynes> I don't know why
[06:36] <kynes> but it surely happens
[06:36] <kynes> and by the way, I'm on Intel Core2Duo
[06:37] <TheVault> kynes: Yeah. Ubuntu always starts, but it just sits there during the loading for about a minute or so, then it boots up. And yeah, I'm using a Intel Core Solo
[06:37] <bur[n] e1> anyone else see this after waiting about 3-5 minutes while looking at a gray box in the top left  --image here--> http://picasaweb.google.com/xburnerx/UbuntuLinuxScreenshots/photo#5051839240363084114
[06:37] <kynes> and in previous Herds, I encountered numerous CPU soft lockups
[06:37] <TheVault> kynes: Ouch
[06:38] <bur[n] e1> TheVault: could it be the same as my issue?  it's only slow between gdm & gnome desktop?  if you use xfce or kde it's fine right?
[06:38] <kynes> and my numerous = a large number.. I could provide the lockup scenario but I'm running a normal system now..
[06:38] <TheVault> bur[x] el: I donno. Thats some weird error and I'm not linux expert. What I'm talking about is when the computer is loading up, like the orange bars showing the load up process. Not the actual desktop itself
[06:39] <zeroflag> how can I install a specific version of the X nvidia module.
[06:39] <TheVault> Sorry to confuse ya. But thats a weird error though
[06:39] <kynes> zeroflag : do you have NVIDIA's official package?
[06:39] <kynes> from their website
[06:39] <zeroflag> no.
[06:40] <bur[n] e1> TheVault: no worries, I can't help even if you were seeign the gray box gdm -> gnome slowness, I have two pcs that do it currently
[06:40] <kynes> bur[n] e1 : every now and then, I experience an error about gnome-panel
[06:40] <kynes> bur[n] e1 : and restarting X doesn't help
[06:40] <TheVault> Alright peeps, I gotta fly. Chat with ya guys later and thanks kynes for the help :P
[06:41] <kynes> :) tell me when you know the answers..
[06:41] <bur[n] e1> I have had this problem for about a month... i even reinstalled my feisty via the beta and the error went away for a short period but came back
[06:41] <kynes> by the way, what do you use for that dock?
[06:41] <kynes> ahh no, it's not a dock I see..
[06:41] <kynes> ?
[06:43] <bur[n] e1> kynes: it's just a gnome-panel in that shot
[06:44] <Mena> Hi
[06:45] <Mena> why the knetwork manager told me there is no device
[06:45] <Mena> Why
[06:45] <Mena> thsi happened after an update
[06:45] <Mena> this*
[06:45] <Mena> so
[06:48] <Mena> !knetworkmanager
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <Lin> !restricted-modules
[06:49] <Mena> !linux-image
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> Mena, I have some problems too.
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> I'm connected but it tells me that there is no Network Connection.
[06:50] <bur[n] er> yay, beryl works again with the nvidia-glx-new package
[06:51] <Lin> bur[n] er: but a new card is needed too.
[06:53] <bur[n] er> Lin: i guess... i'll say it again, i have a geforce 6200
[06:54] <Lin> bur[n] er: I havent readed this ;-)
[06:54] <Mena> AlinuxOS, YES
[06:56] <bur[n] er> AlinuxOS: Mena: try clicking the icon and "wired" connection or your wireless network again to make i treconnect
[06:57] <mon^rch> my internet hangs while booting (but eventually comes up) and then the internet keeps getting dropped. any ideas?
[06:58] <mips> What repo do I enable for skype ?
[06:58] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me get an i810 to display 1440x900 or even 1280x800?
[06:59] <bur[n] er> mips: feisty-commercial?
[06:59] <mips> I dont think it is in there
[06:59] <Mena> bur[n] er, i cant
[07:00] <bur[n] er> mips: doesn't skype.com have a deb?  seveas used to make skype debs if i recall, just google for it ;)
[07:01] <mips> Yeah, skype does have a .deb
[07:02] <mon^rch> my internet hangs while booting (but eventually comes up) and then the internet keeps getting dropped. any ideas?
[07:05] <AlinuxOS> mips, deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[07:07] <mips> thx! there are so many repos out there with skype
[07:08] <Mena> Thanks ..Bye
[07:15] <Andeh> Hello
[07:15] <Andeh> Whats new in feisty?
[07:15] <bur[n] er> Andeh: read any websites recently?  there are plenty of articles
[07:15] <profoX`> So..
[07:15] <Andeh> No...
[07:16] <profoX`> How can I disable or remove network-manager and use normal ways to connect to the network
[07:16] <profoX`> because my card is not supported in network-manager
[07:16] <profoX`> (ADM8211 chipset)
[07:16] <zulfajuniadi> profoX`: remove network-manager in sessions
[07:16] <profoX`> should I just remove the network-manager package altogether?
[07:16] <bur[n] er> profoX`: you sure it's not supported?  just comment everything out of /etc/network/interfaces
[07:17] <profoX`> bur[n] er: I am quite sure, yes
[07:17] <zulfajuniadi> profoX`: systems->preferences->sessions
[07:17] <profoX`> bur[n] er: it's not really my card, but I know network-manager doesnt support 50% of the chipsets available
[07:17] <profoX`> bur[n] er: and I happen to know that this one is one of those chipsets
[07:17] <profoX`> zulfajuniadi: yea thanks
[07:18] <profoX`> zulfajuniadi: and are you sure that that will stop network-manager completely? it seems to me that that is just the applet (nm-applet)
[07:21] <zulfajuniadi> yes, that is just the applet profoX`, try removing it through apt. only network-manager-gnome is dependant on it
[07:24] <bigmichi> hey leute
[07:24] <bigmichi> wieso is der udpate server so lahm o.O
[07:25] <peter77> I've installed a couple of programs in wine but I can't figure out how or where to launch them from
[07:25] <bur[n] er> peter77: they don't show up in your menu?
[07:26] <user__> hi all! I got a problem w a Feisty that hangs (black screen) when pushing the eject cd button. Running nonfree nvidia drivers.. any  suggestions?
[07:26] <peter77> found
[07:26] <zulfajuniadi> peter77: sudo killall gnome-panel, see if it shows
[07:26] <bigmichi> oh sorry is english channel ^^
[07:26] <bigmichi> why is de updateserver slow =(
[07:26] <bigmichi> i dowload only with 100kb/sek
[07:26] <bigmichi> i can 3,1MB/sek downloading ;)
[07:32] <user__> anyone? I got a problem w a Feisty that hangs (black screen) when pushing the eject cd button. Running nonfree nvidia drivers.. any  suggestions?
[07:32] <teb> i just read an article about feisty fawn and the gnome control center...can anyone point me in the direction of that thing?  i can't see it
[07:33] <zulfajuniadi> teb: system -> preferences -> control center
[07:33] <teb> heh, wonder why i don't have that
[07:34] <zulfajuniadi> teb have you updated since installation? or maybe it's hidden, try alacarte
[07:34] <Amaranth> it's hidden
[07:34] <Amaranth> that's GNOME 2.20 stuff
[07:34] <zulfajuniadi> user__: if you use the xorg's nv driver doed this happen also?
[07:35] <zulfajuniadi> user__: *does
[07:35] <teb> yeah it was hidden
[07:38] <user__> zulfajuniadi: havent tried that yet.. it's for a friend and he wont tolerate slow graphics.. maybe i'll install xp on his machine instead.. might be better..
[07:39] <zulfajuniadi> user__: try it first and see if it's the driver that's causing the problem (though i'd doubt it has anything to do with ejevt)
[07:39] <zulfajuniadi> *eject
[07:39] <zulfajuniadi> user__: have you tried the eject command from the terminal?
[07:40] <user__> zulfajuniadi: thnx! two good suggestions to get me started.. i'll try those later tonight..
[07:43] <netmon1> Anyone using a Dell E1705 or E1505 that can get suspend/hibernate working?
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> does anyone have SD card reader to test bug #53268 N
[07:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 53268 in linux-source-2.6.15 "On Thinkpad X60s and Z60 SD card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53268
[07:43] <johnnybuoy> ?
[07:44] <teb> okay, i'm great at breaking stuff, can someone give me the properties info on the control center from alacarte
[07:44] <Amaranth> it just launches 'gnome-control-center'
[07:44] <teb> thanks
[07:47] <zulfajuniadi> johnnybuoy: i can confirm it, i have the card reader in my nx6120
[07:47] <johnnybuoy> cool, can you plz comment on the bug that this happens to you in feisty? or have you allready?
[07:48] <zulfajuniadi> yes, i'll comment it
[07:48] <zdzichuBG> isn't this a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/53923 ?
[07:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not working" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:49] <johnnybuoy> the card reader is working
[07:49] <johnnybuoy> but the card doesn't get automounted
[07:49] <johnnybuoy> and I have a ricoh card reader
[07:49] <zdzichuBG> ah sorry, myt z61t has tifm
[07:50] <Askar> recent updates totally broke something!  It can no longer find my wlancard! its a dlink g650+
[07:50] <Askar> help!
[07:51] <poningru> Askar: hmm?
[07:52] <johnnybuoy> I am changing the bug to HAL, because linux-source-2.6.15 is stupid
[07:52] <johnnybuoy> this is feisty
[07:53] <johnnybuoy> zulfajuniadi, do you have the rights to change the bug description?
[07:53] <Askar> poningru: recent updates totally broke something!  ubuntu can no longer find my wlancard! its a dlink g650+
[07:53] <johnnybuoy> the description is not good, this is not only on thinkpads, but I would guess more on ricoh card readers
[07:54] <zulfajuniadi> johnnybuoy: no, sadly i don't :(
[07:54] <johnnybuoy> :(
[07:56] <Askar> someone know what could have happened?
[07:57] <awk> hi allz
[07:57] <johnnybuoy> zulfajuniadi, you have a ricoh cardreader also?
[07:58] <zulfajuniadi> yes, the one with sd, mmc, and xd all in one
[07:59] <johnnybuoy> yep
[07:59] <johnnybuoy> that's the one
[08:00] <zulfajuniadi> it use to work great on dapper and edgy tho...
[08:00] <zulfajuniadi> *used
[08:00] <johnnybuoy> I don't know, this laptop is brand new.
[08:03] <zulfajuniadi> mine also, i upgraded ubuntu version breezy -> dapper -> edgy -> feisty, just to see which supports my lappy the most by default. At last i settled for feisty, because i don't use the card reader that much :)
[08:06] <zulfajuniadi> erks, seems like i _do_ have the rights to change the description. what should i change it to?
[08:07] <zulfajuniadi> johnnybuoy
[08:07] <zulfajuniadi> but not the actual title though...
[08:08] <johnnybuoy> well, you shuld change it to ricoh card reader is not automounted when card is inserted
[08:08] <johnnybuoy> or something like that
[08:10] <zulfajuniadi> yw eean :)
[08:11] <eean> hello! :)
[08:11] <eean> anyways, if I switch to and from firefox quickly it crashes
[08:12] <zulfajuniadi> does this happen on firefox only or other windows as well?
[08:12] <eean> just firefox
[08:12] <eean> I guess this means it isn't a "oh yea, everyone has that" issue :)
[08:12] <zulfajuniadi> if it is only on firefox, did it happen just after you upgraded, or did it happen since you installed it?
[08:12] <eean> well it didn't happen in Edgy for sure
[08:13] <eean> I can't quite think how long its been happening in Feisty
[08:13] <eean> doesn't seem like its always been like this
[08:13] <zulfajuniadi> what crashed? x11 or ff?
[08:13] <eean> (upgraded to Feisty last month)
[08:13] <eean> firefox
[08:14] <zulfajuniadi> i assume you're using 2.0.0.3
[08:14] <vydd> hey, this thing works :)
[08:14] <eean> if its the newest, then yea :)
[08:15] <eean> pfft I tried doing it right now it didn't work
[08:16] <zulfajuniadi> searching for bug...
[08:18] <zulfajuniadi> eean: is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/96446
[08:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 96446 in firefox "Firefox crashes often when switching from an application to it" [High,Needs info] 
[08:18] <eean> yep
[08:19] <eean> maybe I can work on the 'needs info' :)
[08:19] <zulfajuniadi> if it is then it's good if you can report it
[08:19] <zulfajuniadi> :), yes
[08:19] <zulfajuniadi> try this, ofen firefox through terminal, and waits for it to crash, see the error message (if any)
[08:19] <zulfajuniadi> *open
[08:20] <zulfajuniadi> darn, my english is getting rusty...
[08:20] <eean> yea there is
[08:20] <eean> its an assert about something not being a gobject
[08:20] <eean> (Gecko:11189): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[08:21] <zulfajuniadi> paste that in the comment. then you've worked on 'needs info'
[08:21] <zulfajuniadi> :)
[08:22] <zulfajuniadi> meanwhile, try using swiftfox and see if that also crashes
[08:22] <eean> does it not have a package?
[08:23] <zulfajuniadi> actually i use automatix2 (though it's not recommended by many)
[08:23] <zulfajuniadi> i use automatix2 to install it
[08:24] <zulfajuniadi> from http://www.getautomatix.com/
[08:26] <mastertsunami> whats up with ssh connecting via IP being slow as molasses? i've already disabled ipv6 :/
[08:29] <zdzichuBG> mastertsunami: missing reverse dns?
[08:31] <zulfajuniadi> mastertsunami: I don't know if this helps: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.3
[08:32] <johnficca> every time I try to open my xorg.conf using sudo it doesn't work, then with I logout I can't log back in and I have to restart my computer...what is up?
[08:33] <zulfajuniadi> johnficca: did you use sudo gedit?
[08:33] <johnficca> yes
[08:34] <zulfajuniadi> does it hang or something?
[08:35] <johnficca> it hangs and never opens
[08:35] <zulfajuniadi> error message(s)?
[08:36] <johnficca> When I try to log back in I get a brown screen with a white/grey box in the upper left
[08:36] <johnficca> but its says nothing
[08:38] <johnficca> zulfajuniadi: have you heard of this problem?
[08:38] <zulfajuniadi> yes, it happend in my laptop once johnficca, but then ubuntu automatically starts without a problem
[08:39] <johnficca> this is a thinkpad t40 ubuntu 7.04 beta
[08:40] <zulfajuniadi> my laptop is compaq nx6120
[08:40] <johnficca> there where some update this morning that I installed I think it might had someting to do with it
[08:41] <zulfajuniadi> maybe...
[08:42] <netmon1> Does Ubuntu not have the ability to auto arrange desktop icons
[08:42] <gemidjy> in Kubuntu Feisty will/is there (be) a way to activate Beryl as easy as in Ubuntu Feisty ?
[08:43] <zulfajuniadi> netmon1: right-click -> clean up by name
[08:44] <netmon1> zulfajuniadi, what about when I put in a CD, anyway to make it automatically go to the bottom
[08:44] <netmon1> rather than under or over another icon
[08:44] <zulfajuniadi> err... no idea netmon1
[08:54] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?
[08:58] <cables> I've used Automatix2 on my system, but I've removed it and everything it installed. Should I just not even try an online upgrade?
[08:59] <mastertsunami> thanks zdzichuBG and zulfajuniadi, i will try those suggestions
[09:00] <Pepetideo> Hi... I am trying to connect my psp to ubuntu but am not having much luck
[09:00] <Pepetideo> anyone can help?
[09:01] <Pepetideo> when i connect it the first time it showed up as a icon on the desktop
[09:01] <Pepetideo> but I could not transfer anything to it
[09:02] <Pepetideo> i then changed the mount point on the option and now it really does not work :S
[09:07] <zulfajuniadi> Pepetideo: do you know by any chance what's the file system psp uses? maybe thats the problem?
[09:07] <Pepetideo> not really
[09:07] <Pepetideo> do not know
[09:12] <marshall> hey guys
[09:13] <marshall> my totem-gstreamer always asks me to search for suitable codecs when i try to play most of my videos, even though i always install the proper codecs, totem seems unable to find them the next time i use it
[09:14] <marshall> the videos are also choppy in totem, but play perfectly in mplayer
[09:14] <marshall> its a dilly of a pickle
[09:15] <zulfajuniadi> have you installed ugly and bad?
[09:23] <shirish> hi all from some reason I am not able to log into freenode with GAIM, can anybody tell me why?
[09:23] <shirish> I am able to go on to gnome server & debian server without any issues
[09:23] <shirish> cancel that, I am in.
[09:25] <shiris1> hi all, sorry for that mixup
[09:25] <Tomg> hi, does anyone have an acer aspire 9300 laptop by any chance?
[09:26] <shirish> does anybody how to remove a package by aptitude while at the same time removing the configure file of it.
[09:27] <Tomg> shirish purge
[09:28] <shirish> Tomg:  should it should be sudo aptitude purge <packagename> ?
[09:28] <shirish> Tomg: or just sudo purge <packagename>
[09:28] <Tomg> aptitude purge
[09:28] <shirish> Tomg: ok thnx
[09:28] <eagles0513875> i need to extract an ini from an exe how do i do that
[09:29] <Tomg> eagles0513875: install it using wine? cabextract if its a self executing cab?
[09:29] <eagles0513875> im using 64 bit version which they dont have wine fore
[09:30] <eagles0513875> is there another way besides using wine
[09:30] <shirish> Tomg: I am having issues un-installing or removing deluge 0.5.1 , but it showed once removed, but it is still there & it is not being removed, any ideas?
[09:30] <eagles0513875> and is there the ntfs3g pkg for 64bit
[09:31] <eagles0513875> nm i found it
[09:31] <Tomg> eagles0513875 : cabextract? what prog is it?
[09:31] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?
[09:31] <eagles0513875> its my wifi driver
[09:31] <eagles0513875> ill go ahead and install it in windows
[09:31] <eagles0513875> and then get it from driver folder in windows
[09:31] <Tomg> shirish : what do you mean its still there?
[09:32] <Tomg> eagles0513875 : might b easiest, or reactos :D
[09:32] <eagles0513875> !reactos
[09:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reactos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:32] <eagles0513875> what is reactos
[09:32] <shirish> Tomg: the name of the package is actually deluge, and it still is there in the menu, it is functioning, I want to remove it completely
[09:32] <eagles0513875> what is cabextract do
[09:33] <Tomg> extracts cab files
[09:33] <shirish> Tomg: while doing deluge --version shows the version 0.5.1 the sudo aptitude show deluge throws up nothing
[09:33] <Tomg> reactos is an opens source windows clone
[09:33] <Tomg> shirish : try reinstalling then uninstalling
[09:34] <shirish> Tomg: damn, ok cool
[09:35] <Tomg> yea lol, it even runs ut2004 :p
[09:35] <teb> Tomg doesn't everything run ut2004?
[09:35] <shirish> Tomg: I had actually pulled the file from subversion, built the whole damn thing, just to realize he had made couple of debs ready to be used.
[09:35] <eagles0513875> ut 2k4 is linux compatable
[09:35] <Tomg> teb : lol i think the bsd's are still catching up :p
[09:36] <Tomg> shirish: lol, cant you do a make uninstall then?
[09:36] <eagles0513875> i have the ndiswrapper front end but from some reason it wont load
[09:36] <eagles0513875> y wont it load
[09:37] <teb> tomg lol i guess so, next comes solaris
[09:37] <Tomg> teb: lol go into the light of the sun!
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> Tomg: You can run ut2004 on bsd fine
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> freebsd anyway
[09:38] <Tomg> h3sp4wn: cool, didnt know that
[09:39] <shirish> Tomg: thanx, that one did the trick, just installing & then uninstalling
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> Tomg: 32bit anyway - 64 bit alot less likely
[09:40] <Tomg> shirish : gdgd :p
[09:40] <jimmy_> anyone know a good usb audio device to use thats supported? i need something for my laptop
[09:40] <gemidjy>  in Kubuntu Feisty will/is there (be) a way to activate Beryl as easy as in Ubuntu Feisty ?
[09:40] <shirish> Tomg:- how do i remove non-empty directories I am using sudo rmdir glade, it says not empty, what should I do?
[09:40] <Tomg> h3sp4wn : can you run 32 bit apps on a 64 bit host? im considering a 64 bit laptop atm
[09:41] <Tomg> shirish : i just use rm -r, or maybe rm -R, try both
[09:41] <Tomg> shirish : with the sudo
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Tomg: On linux will be fine
[09:42] <shirish> Tomg: yup that one is also done, seems like rmdir got deprecated sometime back
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> Tomg: Sometimes you need a chroot most of the time you can get by with either a statically linked version or the stuff in ia32-libs
[09:43] <Tomg> h3sp4wn: oh gdgd thnx
[09:44] <sacater> If anyone here is having trouble with their monitor, please say so
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> (ut2004 is also native 24 bit)
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> s/24/64
[09:44] <Tomg> 24 :S
[09:44] <Tomg> shirish : lol i never knew rmdir existed :D
[09:45] <mifritscher> can apt blacklist packets?
[09:45] <shirish> Tomg: I had played with linux long time back about 4-5 yrs. back when Mandrake was a new baby.
[09:45] <mifritscher> e.g. the module apache2 from 7.04 doesn't work with the php-modules from dotdeb (these are compiled for apache 2.0)?
[09:46] <Tomg> shirish : i only came into the light last august lol :D
[09:47] <shirish> Tomg: then at that time it was still too much work, as it is still today but things have improved over time.
[09:47] <LeeJunFan> anyone else noticing that recently hal decides to quietly unmount external media, then won't remount it after removing and reattaching?
[09:47] <shirish> Ok now anybody here a pastebin lover/expert?
[09:47] <Tomg> shirish: lol beryl is enough to bring anyone away from windows :P
[09:48] <mifritscher> ah, and why can't I play mp3 when updated from 6.10 to 7.04?
[09:48] <TheVault> Is Freenode.net not working in Ubuntu for some reason?
[09:48] <shirish> nope, it was not that, my system cannot handle beryl, plain vanilla 1.8 ghz with 8 mb i845 chipset
[09:48] <Tomg> LeeJunFan : yes! i got that! i thought it was my card reader playing up!
[09:49] <shirish> TheVault: did u also have problems signing in Vault?
[09:49] <shirish> TheVault: through GAIM?
[09:49] <TheVault> Yeah. Through Gaim & Chatzilla
[09:49] <TheVault> Neither of them are allowing me to connect
[09:50] <shirish> TheVault: I had not been able to sign in the whole of today, then just before used Chatzilla, it allowed me to connect, and then GAIM followed, somethings afoot
[09:50] <TheVault> Im back in windows xp and im using chatzilla right now and im in here
[09:50] <squire> i wrecked a monitor trying to set up slackware years ago :/
[09:50] <shirish> squire: sad to hear that squire
[09:50] <TheVault> shirish: Well glad to see someone else is having the same problem. I wonder if it was one of the updates?
[09:50] <shirish> :(
[09:51] <shirish> TheVault: that could very well have been.
[09:51] <squire> it was all el mucho trial and error seat of pants stuff
[09:51] <TheVault> Yesterday, when I first installed Ubuntu, I have 282 updates to download and install.  Today I had 83 downloads to install. I'm like NO WAY
[09:51] <TheVault> Updates I mean
[09:51] <neildarlow> TheVault: and you point is?
[09:51] <shirish> TheVault: that is the meaning of being a beta-tester
[09:51] <squire> feisty is a revelation
[09:52] <TheVault> shirish: Yeah thats true
[09:52] <TheVault> neildarlow: Just trying to figure out the problem of why I cannot connect to freenode.net from Ubuntu. Gaim nor Chatzilla won't let me in
[09:52] <zulfajuniadi> TheVault: try 654 updates... :)... took two days and still smiling...
[09:52] <shirish> ok guys, anybody knows where to find changelog of a program, changelog with date, version etc.
[09:52] <TheVault> zulfajuniadi: Whoa
[09:52] <zdzichuBG> shirish: /usr/share/doc/program-name/
[09:53] <shirish> zulfajuniadi: completed something like 1/2 a dvd of updates from beta
[09:53] <shirish> zdzichuBG: thanx, will try that route
[09:53] <TheVault> Is there any other IRC clients besides Chatzilla & Gaim?
[09:53] <neildarlow> my motherboard has a SIS5513 IDE chipset. the sis5513 module is being used although i would expect pata_sis to be used. is this correct?
[09:53] <zulfajuniadi> yeah shirish, my install cd was herd 2
[09:53] <phaidros> pulseaudio suc**
[09:53] <shirish> zulfajuniadi: so that much more pain as well as learning
[09:54] <TheVault> What other IRC clients are there besides Chatzilla & Gaim?
[09:54] <zulfajuniadi> TheVault: xchat
[09:54] <phaidros> TheVault: xchat
[09:54] <phaidros> TheVault: irssi
[09:54] <TheVault> Is that a better client than Chatzilla & Gaim?
[09:54] <zulfajuniadi> shirish: beta testing... heehhh
[09:54] <mifritscher> telnet *g*
[09:54] <phaidros> xchat is nice
[09:54] <TheVault> alright, i'll install xchat
[09:54] <phaidros> irssi is good in the terminal
[09:54] <TheVault> sudo apt-get install xchat right?
[09:55] <phaidros> right
[09:55] <zulfajuniadi> xchat... clean and lean...
[09:55] <TheVault> alright. Lemme boot back into Ubuntu and i'll give it a whirl
[09:55] <squire> xchat gnome is ok
[09:55] <zulfajuniadi> though i do miss mirc slaps... :P
[09:55] <phaidros> anyone here pulseaudio experiences?
[09:56] <Beta> What do I need for bluetooth support?
[09:56] <squire> i have a windows (fx:washes mouth out) box for mirc
[09:56] <shirish> zdzichuBG: the changelog is in .gz there I dont want to extract it, just read it, anyway possible?
[09:56] <phaidros> when pulseaudio ist started no app can use the sound device. tried some howtos but those fail also for me. pulseaudio always complains about missing modules. once its running, it blocks the sounddevice.
[09:56] <cables> When do they update the list of printers in CUPS?
[09:56] <neildarlow> Beta: i just installed gnome-bluetooth
[09:57] <squire> beta: fairly recent h/w and 2.6 kernel
[09:57] <cables> My printer has been out for a while, it's listed on linuxprinting.org and it's supported by a driver that's included in Ubuntu. But still, its model number doesn't show up in Feisty's add printer list.
[09:57] <Beta> Gnome-bluetooth? Package or ware?
[09:57] <shirish> cables: there were some updates today for the printing thing
[09:57] <zulfajuniadi> Beta: yes,the kernel modules should be enabled by default, so you shouldn't have any problems :)
[09:57] <neildarlow> Beta: package
[09:58] <shirish> guys anyway to see the changelog without uncompressing it first?
[09:58] <neildarlow> shirish: bzless
[09:58] <squire> i have an older BT  belkin dongle which isn't recognised but a newer one that is
[09:58] <cables> shirish, ooh really? sweet!
[09:58] <cables> shirish, time to boot up the feisty vm
[09:59] <shirish> neildarlow: bzless is that a program?
[09:59] <phaidros> shirish: less
[09:59] <neildarlow> shirish: yes. bzless changelog.bz2
[09:59] <phaidros> (less is capable of .gz)
[09:59] <teb> so, the very top bar is missing in all my gnome applications, anyone have any idea what's going on?
[09:59] <concept10> phaidros, i wish I knew the purpose of pulse audio at this point
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> no need you can just use less if you setup lesspipe
[09:59] <teb> right above the file | edit | etc
[10:00] <neildarlow> phaidros: are they still .gz? how quaint
[10:00] <phaidros> concept10: replaces esd and gets the whole sound backend to gstreamer, imho. is highly configureable
[10:00] <Beta> So, our beloved beta shall soon be released?
[10:00] <phaidros> neildarlow: I guess o.O
[10:00] <concept10> phaidros, and what backend does esd use?
[10:00] <phaidros> alsa
[10:01] <phaidros> there is pulseaudio-esdcompat
[10:01] <phaidros> replaces esd
[10:01] <sacater> im using ubuntu with xfce compiled on top, would that affect the display in any way?
[10:01] <concept10> okay... I thought alsa was the backend for pretty much everything these days
[10:01] <phaidros> hi TheVault
[10:01] <TheVault> There we go
[10:01] <TheVault> Whoa, xchat is a heck of alot better
[10:01] <phaidros> concept10: obviously not, I'd like to see jack as the standard backend though
[10:01] <concept10> phaidros, me too.
[10:01] <TheVault> Where are the names of people who are in this chat?
[10:01] <TheVault> I don't see that here
[10:02] <concept10> on the right, you have to open it up
[10:02] <neildarlow> TheVault: click the XXX Users icon :)
[10:02] <Beta> So, what do I have to do to get a Belkin Bluetooth USB dogle to work?
[10:02] <TheVault> Where at?
[10:02] <neildarlow> Beta: plug it in and it should work
[10:02] <zulfajuniadi> TheVault: bottom left, just above the lag
[10:02] <phaidros> concept10: and all apps have alot of different flavors t ouse sound .. liboa, gstreamer, gconf, /etc/app.conf, asoundrc, not to forget arts .. so pulseaudio is imho thought to provide a solution to use all of those without conflicting with each other .. but doesn't work here :/
[10:02] <Beta> Its just blinking.
[10:03] <TheVault> Still don't see it.
[10:03] <squire> ctrl-u
[10:03] <phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow
[10:03] <concept10> phaidros, i need to get a clear understanding of all of these backend APIs.. im trying to build an embedded device that does DSP using LADSPA or VSTs
[10:03] <neildarlow> Beta: just send something from your phone or use nautilus to send a file to your phone
[10:03] <Beta> Ok.
[10:04] <phaidros> concept10: good luck with that! once you know you could provide a tutorial :D
[10:04] <TheVault> Well on the left, I see the main server & the channels that I'm currently in
[10:04] <squire> thevault: ctrl-u
[10:04] <neildarlow> TheVault: do you see 272 Users in bottom left of screen
[10:04] <TheVault> Nope
[10:04] <TheVault> Here is a screenshot
[10:04] <shirish> did u try the ctrl+u thing
[10:05] <concept10> phaidros, well right now, im not so much worrying about the backend (i should be).. im trying to get it to boot in under 8 secs.
[10:05] <zulfajuniadi> resize your right edge TheVault
[10:05] <TheVault> yeah, the ctrl+u don't do nothing
[10:05] <phaidros> concept10: what will it be?
[10:05] <TheVault> There we go
[10:05] <TheVault> the right side was to far to the right
[10:05] <phaidros> 22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow
[10:05] <phaidros> 22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow
[10:05] <phaidros> 22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow
[10:06] <phaidros> 22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow
[10:06] <TheVault> phaidros: Yeah I fixed it. Your suggestion is right, the narrow part
[10:06] <phaidros> ooops, sorry :)
[10:06] <squire> is there an echo inhere? :)
[10:06] <phaidros> echo
[10:06] <phaidros> echo
[10:06] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?
[10:06] <zulfajuniadi> echo
[10:06] <phaidros> O.o
[10:06] <zulfajuniadi> haha
[10:06] <TheVault> echo
[10:06] <TheVault> what does that do?
[10:06] <concept10> phaidros, imagine an effects box/processor that you turn on and have almost instant access to LADSPA effects.  Im going to have hardware controls (like knobs).  Still trying to decide on the screen.
[10:07] <Beta> Heck, I'm still trying to get my DVD player to work.
[10:07] <phaidros> concept10: sounds good. have a website already?
[10:07] <zulfajuniadi> aaroncampbell: try automatix2 (not recommended by many, but works for me :P)
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> !works for me
[10:07] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:07] <zulfajuniadi> hes, h3sp4wn
[10:07] <zulfajuniadi> *yes
[10:07] <zeroflag> I'm having trouble getting the same NVIDIA kernel module version as X module version... is there any package I could just install? :/
[10:07] <shirish> The Vault: I do not know but from the debian changelog it seems nothing moved in GAIM after 29th March.
[10:08] <shirish> TheVault: there is the possibility though that some other package might be interfering
[10:08] <Beta> Any need to have apps or packages for fiesty?
[10:08] <jcole> gain keeps freezing on me
[10:09] <Beta> That aren't part of the basic install.
[10:09] <jcole> gaim*
[10:09] <Beta> Gain or Gaim?
[10:09] <jcole> and evolution
[10:09] <concept10> phaidros, no website yet, im still doing planning.  Right now I see the best thing to do is use Linux BIOS with a small X server and busybox
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> Beta: You are offering to make packages ?
[10:09] <jcole> and firefox
[10:09] <jcole> i thought the last feisty upgrade might fix my problems, but they didn't
[10:09] <concept10> h3sp4wn, have you ever mucked around with kdrive or tinyX ?
[10:09] <Beta> No, I'm asking for suggestions. I don't have time to take up another project. But if I had time, money, etc, I would love to work on something like this.
[10:10] <jcole> i should probably reinstall edgy until after fesity is stabilized
[10:10] <mastertsunami> it's pretty stable :/
[10:10] <mastertsunami> well, imho which doesn't count for much :)
[10:10] <crimsun> jcole: we release in 9 days. I don't imagine that much will change.
[10:10] <Beta> Its is indeed rather stable.
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> concept10: No - played with qtopia I think its called a bit
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> concept10: was called qt embedded
[10:12] <concept10> phaidros, if you want to see this short boot in action watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzRsXKm_NQ  its about 6-7 secs.
[10:13] <jcole> crimsun: not for me... it think it may have to do with me removing network-manager
[10:13] <jcole> crimsun: my networking is sloooow if i have network-manager installed
[10:13] <crimsun> jcole: I think you're responding to Beta?
[10:14] <shirish> jcole: there is just an update to network-manager, actually there have been 2-3 updates to it already
[10:14] <jcole> crimsun: oh yeah, sorry, lol
[10:14] <jcole> liferea doesn't even start
[10:14] <shirish> jcole: perhaps you should try to install the RC one, releasing tomorrow & then share your views
[10:15] <jcole> hmm
[10:15] <jcole> $ liferea
[10:15] <jcole> libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[10:15] <jcole> aha!
[10:15] <Ayabara> has anyone tried truecrypt on feisty? should the .deb for edgy work?
[10:15] <jcole> i'll bet this is affecting my whole system!
[10:15] <zeroflag> how am I supposed to get these nvidia drivers to work?
[10:16] <gharz> guys, what's the Enable Roaming Mode in network manager for?
[10:16] <aaroncampbell> zulfajuniadi: It seems that automatix is just a way to install stuff?
[10:16] <shirish> gharz: to find any wireless networks, monkeys etc. near you.
[10:16] <jcole> so, network-manager is now an absolute must have to have a working system?
[10:16] <gharz> and i'm having problem with my wifi connection whenever i start my system... it doesn't connect to the network which i set up (profile).
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> jcole: Definately not
[10:16] <zulfajuniadi> yes aaroncampbell
[10:17] <zulfajuniadi> yes aaroncampbell, a lot of useful and fun stuff...
[10:17] <gharz> shirish, it's currently unticked... if i untick it i didn't see any difference
[10:17] <jcole> h3sp4wn: try to remove it for a day
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> jcole: I never installed it
[10:17] <shirish> gharz: are u on wired or wireless?
[10:17] <gharz> wireless
[10:17] <choudesh> there may be another bug in network-manager.
[10:18] <jcole> h3sp4wn: it's now part of the ubuntu feisty meta package
[10:18] <jimmy_> anyone know a good usb audio device to use thats supported? i need something for my laptop
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> jcole: do a cli install and install what you want (not what ubuntu-desktop or whatever thinks you want)
[10:18] <shirish> gharz: then you are lucky if you are able to perceive them with & without the roaming on
[10:18] <choudesh> I let me computer sit with wireless on and network-manager running, battery time - 2:43, with wireless on and no network-manager, 3:45
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> jcole: its not in xubuntu-desktop wither
[10:18] <shirish> gharz: some people do not.
[10:18] <aaroncampbell> zulfajuniadi: well, that's not going to help me use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD Burner, unless I know what I need to use it...
[10:18] <zulfajuniadi> aaroncampbell: there are description in there...
[10:18] <shirish> choudesh: the extra battery goes into scanning the networks & areas around
[10:18] <gharz> shirish, i already created a profile (static configuration) but it doesn't use my profile... it always connects to another network. i still have to select it in the network manager...
[10:19] <jcole> h3sp4wn: can you run liferea?
[10:19] <choudesh> shirish, roam was on with network-manager off
[10:19] <tebriel> is all of gnome in ubuntu installed under ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:19] <gharz> shirish, and run iwconfig eth1 ESSID "my network" to connect to my wifi
[10:19] <h3sp4wn> jcole: what is that ?
[10:19] <choudesh> shirish, iwconfig eth1 essid roam is the same as network-manager does
[10:19] <shirish> gharz: ok guys, I am no wireless expert
[10:19] <jcole> h3sp4wn: linux rss feed reader
[10:19] <gharz> so far this is the only problem i encountered with feisty
[10:19] <jcole> h3sp4wn: that is just an example
[10:20] <jcole> h3sp4wn: i get this error -> libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> jcole: I could but I don't want all that gnome stuff
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> jcole: Or maybe I couldn't
[10:20] <jcole> h3sp4wn: perhaps gnome-ified apps have a network-manager depends
[10:20] <shirish> choudesh: gharz: the best would be to do the updates, if you guys run into problems, report them in a bug-report which u think is not right.
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> jcole: Thats nasty - I really don't think such stuff should be forced
[10:21] <Ayabara> in general, is it likely that a .deb for 6.10 will work on 7.04?
[10:21] <gharz> shirish, i still can't post this coz i want to verify first in this room to see if this is really a bug or i just need to tweak some things.
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> Ayabara: rebuild it
[10:21] <shirish> gharz: sorry I am on wired now, played with wireless some-time back hence things are little bit hazy there, getting old
[10:21] <gharz> just fyi, i just upgraded my edgy to feisty... this wasn't a clean install
[10:22] <gradin> gharz thats probably because feisty is still a dev build
[10:22] <Ayabara> h3sp4wn, ok. I have the source. just wanted to know if it was worth trying :-)
[10:22] <jcole> h3sp4wn: network-manager is a dependency of *evolution*... wtf?
[10:22] <gharz> gradin, most probably
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> Ayabara: apt-get -b source
[10:22] <zulfajuniadi> gharz... what wireless card are you using?
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> Ayabara: etc etc -
[10:22] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, intel pro wireless 2100
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> jcole: even xubuntu-desktop has alot of junk attached (zero conf networking and other useless stuff)
[10:23] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: does your laptop have a hardware wireless switch?
[10:23] <gharz> i'm even surprised because i'm having 2 network icons in the system tray ... network manager and network connection status.
[10:23] <shirish> gharz: that one is supposed to be actually good supported
[10:23] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, i'm not sure if it has a switch... i think there's none.
[10:23] <jcole> h3sp4wn: actually, it a suggest... the ubuntu "task" must also select suggests?
[10:24] <concept10> h3sp4wn, yep, that's why I don't use any of those *-desktop packages.
[10:24] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: no buttons or anything to enable wireless?
[10:24] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, none.
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I don't either
[10:24] <concept10> h3sp4wn, and thats also why I complain about meta-packages.  auto-remove wants to remove all of the stuff you still have installed
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Cannot work out why my fonts look grap
[10:25] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, nothing.
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> concept10: s/grap/crap
[10:25] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, i'm using dell inspiron 510m
[10:25] <zulfajuniadi> can you see other networks around gharz? i mean can the card detect it?
[10:25] <concept10> h3sp4wn, what window manager are you using?
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> concept10: xfce
[10:25] <jcole> h3sp4wn: ah, ubuntu-desktop is dependent on network-manager-gnome which is dependent on network-manager
[10:25] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, yes... it detects other networks.
[10:26] <concept10> h3sp4wn, are some of them huge?
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Not really just blurred
[10:26] <zulfajuniadi> just by clicking on the network doesn't make it work?
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> concept10: set the dpi right (was hardcoded at 100dpi - its a bit better)
[10:26] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, it detects and connects to other network when i start ubuntu... eventhough i created a profile (static configuration) in network manager
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> concept10: just as bad in e17
[10:27] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, it doesn't connect to the network by clicking... i still have to type iwconfig eth1 ESSID "<my network>" to connect to my network.
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Looks fine from just xinit though
[10:27] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: have you tried manually selecting the network from network manager? does it work/
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> concept10: (just an xterm open)
[10:27] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, yes i tried but it doesn't connect.
[10:27] <concept10> h3sp4wn, im not sure.  I currently use a mix between GNOME and Xfce.  I would switch to Xfce but the font situation is screwed up and Im too lazy to figure it out.
[10:27] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, i still need to type that iwconfig thing.
[10:28] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: are you sure the network you are trying to connect is ok, i mean dhcp running perfectly and all?
[10:28] <concept10> h3sp4wn, I have GDM running, with Metacity but for the desktop, I have remove Nautilus and use xfdesktop and Thunar
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I am not too lazy to figure it out I don't know how to figure it out - I could rebuild xcb / cairo / freetype (newer versions)
[10:29] <gharz> yes... it's my own network and i set it up. there was no problem when i was using edgy. by the way, i hide my network/ESSID. .. meaning i need to set a static configuration for my wireless to show my own network.
[10:29] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, and i'm currently connected to my network right now.
[10:29] <concept10> h3sp4wn, can you post a screenshot?
[10:30] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: after youve configured it manually, it still doesn't work?
[10:30] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, it doesn't. unless i run the iwconfig thing.
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> concept10: any idea of an image pastebin ?
[10:31] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, my startup program shows it runs nm --sm-disable
[10:31] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: a quick workaround, try adding the iwconfig thingi in sessions so that it automatically starts on boot
[10:31] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, there are no icons in the system tray... one is the network manager and the other one is that network connection status
[10:31] <concept10> h3sp4wn, imageshack.us
[10:32] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, sorry... i'm not that good... where can i find that?
[10:32] <zulfajuniadi> system -> preferences -> sessions
[10:32] <zulfajuniadi> click new
[10:32] <gharz> zulfajuniadi,
[10:32] <gharz> ok
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> concept10: http://openwrt.vcp-springe.de/experimental/h3sp4wn/screenshot.png
[10:32] <zulfajuniadi> put in any name, and in the command put in the iwconfig thingie
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> concept10: forgot I had space there
[10:33] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, do i need to put gksudo or simply iwconfig eth1 ESSID "<my network>"?
[10:33] <zulfajuniadi> gharz: gksudo
[10:34] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, thanks. let me try that now. hold on. i'll just reboot
[10:34] <capiira> hi all anyone know where i can get the feisty kernel source for linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic? so i can compile it by myself
[10:36] <Beta> There is a Kubuntu Fiesty build, right?
[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Beta: yup, i'm using it now
[10:37] <Beta> Though so, thanks.
[10:37] <shirish> ok guys on xchat now, network manager has changed its outlook little bit with the latest build
[10:37] <shirish> anybody knows any packages to beautiful xchat or not?
[10:38] <capiira> i find it beautiful enough
[10:38] <concept10> h3sp4wn, brb, i changed my hostname and no applications will start
[10:38] <Beta> Is beyrl really worth it>?
[10:39] <colbert> Will I be able to ugprade Feisty over Edgy or is a fresh install recommended?
[10:39] <jepeltw> colbert, you can upgrade
[10:39] <colbert> Beta: I use Beryl, what do you mean precisely ?
[10:39] <zulfajuniadi> Beta: yes, if you have the hardware
[10:39] <Beta> Just looking for opinions.
[10:40] <colbert> jepeltw: ok thanks
[10:41] <colbert> Beta: Beryl is wonderful, very very useful for multitasking, looks nice and brings desktop alive in many ways, I love it
[10:41] <Beta> Are they going to make the desktop effects more stable in the final release?
[10:41] <shirish> ok guys going back to GAIM for the moment
[10:41] <jepeltw> is there any way to run KNetworkManager in a verbose mode so I can see what it's doing? It refuses to work here while configuring manually with wpa_supplicant works
[10:42] <colbert> Beta: I used it on XGL with my ATI card for a while and XGL is just terrible. I recently got a nVidia card and it's a whole nother story, now Beryl is 100% mint
[10:42] <elvirolo> hi, any news about the system freezes ?
[10:43] <shirish> hmm.... there seems to be some issue with GAIM as far as freenode is concerned, it is still not showing up
[10:45] <shirish> anybody having the same issue?
[10:46] <zeroflag> how can I get an up-to-date nvidia kernel module? the one in feisty is outdated and nvidia's X module with the same version won't install.
[10:46] <TheVault> shirish: You said earlier that when ubuntu is at the splash screen, that it would wait about a minute and then load up right?
[10:47] <shirish> TheVault: I never had the opportunity to look at the boot splash screen
[10:48] <TheVault> shirish: Never mind, must have been someone else I was chatting with then, sorry
[10:48] <shirish> TheVault: the only way I was able to know is through the LED tracking
[10:48] <shirish> TheVault: the LED which blinks & shows HDD activity
[10:48] <TheVault> Oh ok
[10:48] <TheVault> I think I got you confused with someone elese
[10:48] <TheVault> *else
[10:49] <shirish> thats ok I get people confused all the time :)
[10:49] <concept10> changing my hostname caused my system not to load any apps.
[10:49] <concept10> h3sp4wn, so what have you done so far?
[10:49] <TheVault> Has anyone been using Wine in feisty? And if so, how good does it work?
[10:51] <concept10> TheVault, no one can really answer the question "How good it works."  in my experience, it has worked fine, how good, I dont know, depends on the application
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> concept10: tried allowing nvidia-glx to set the dpi (which it calculates wrong) / setting Xft.dpi: 96 in ~/.config/xfce4 - forcing 96x96 dpi in xorg.conf
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> stopped 100dpi being forced (as that looks even more wrong than it is currently)
[10:54] <concept10> yeah, im using 96dpi also.. it makes my titlebars small though: http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrb0.png
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> I prefer smaller titlebars (waste of space otherwise)
[10:55] <concept10> yeah, they come huge by default in ubuntu
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> Its definately not right on either though
[10:57] <concept10> h3sp4wn, so you are using xfwm4 ?
[10:57] <cables> Yay, what an informative topic.
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> concept10: yep currently (don't want to bring e17 into the mix really)
[10:57] <cables> Now I don't need to ask any questions!
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> concept10: as if it was wrong with e17 it could be its bug
[10:58] <shirish> I like the new improved network-manager, it gives stats :)
[10:58] <shirish> +1 from me
[10:58] <cables> shirish, new and improved since when?
[10:58] <cables> shirish, today's updates?
[10:58] <shirish> cables: yup
[10:58] <cables> ooh, yay
[10:58] <cables> installing now
[10:58] <cables> slow as hell on my VM though, which has crappy HD access speeds
[10:59] <PriceChild> greg_g, nvidia-glx-new contains 9755
[10:59] <PriceChild> argh
[10:59] <cables> it took me 3 hours to install!
[10:59] <PriceChild> gregorovius, ^
[10:59] <cables> (the original os)
[10:59] <PriceChild> gregorovius, nvidia-glx is 9631, and -legacy is 7184
[10:59] <cables> shirish, what do you mean by stats?
[11:00] <gregorovius> why is nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new different packages? is the newer driver incompatible with some cards?
[11:00] <concept10> h3sp4wn, im not exactly sure about the config for xfwm4, reading docs now.  That's why I stayed with the mix between GDM and the Xfce apps
[11:00] <shirish> cables: by stats meaning how much data is going & incoming, in Mb & Kb respectively
[11:00] <concept10> h3sp4wn, I talked with some xfce devels and they know about some of the problems with the fonts, but I got really no help in resolving it
[11:00] <shirish> cables: also gives status as in idle or sending/receiving
[11:00] <cables> shirish, the status monitor has that, but it's nice that it'll be in the network section.
[11:01] <Ayabara> has anyone tried truecrypt on feisty?
[11:01] <PriceChild> gregorovius, 9755 legacys a lot of new cards.
[11:01] <shirish> also it flickers, pretty much like the one in xp
[11:01] <cables> shirish, yeah, it's doing that now. Bug-reporting time
[11:01] <PriceChild> gregorovius, 9631 is a legacy line like 7184 and will be supported. It will let more uesrs get desktop effects easilt
[11:01] <cables> PriceChild, where's the list of legacy cards?
[11:02] <shirish> cables: you dont like that feature, the flicker=network traffic
[11:02] <tag> how's the fingerprint scanner support in feisty?
[11:02] <cables> shirish, it's not normal flicker, it's glitchy flicker.
[11:02] <gregorovius> PriceChild, thanks, I didn't know that
[11:03] <PriceChild> cables, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[11:03] <cables> PriceChild, thanks
[11:03] <shirish> cables: right I thought I was the only one who was seeing that
[11:03] <concept10> h3sp4wn, do you hack on openwrt or something?
[11:03] <cables> shirish, it definitely shouldn't be doing that
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> concept10: Quite a bit - I am not an official developer of it though
[11:04] <shirish> cables: right you do it, subscribe me also into it :shirishag75 there
[11:04] <cables> shirish, sure, when i get around to reporting it.
[11:04] <shirish> lol, cool :P
[11:04] <concept10> h3sp4wn, have you wondered into the nslu2 land?
[11:05] <concept10> I know why I logged on to begin with.. How do I get dchpclient to start at boot time?
[11:05] <cables> shirish, you lie, i don't see any stats :)
[11:06] <cables> shirish, i probably have to restart it first
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I don't like openembedded very much (the lack of psyco on amd64 makes it painful) - got maybe 15/20 packages in there (with patches)
[11:06] <cables> shirish, it is flickering though...
[11:06] <h3sp4wn> concept10: openwrt that is
[11:06] <shirish> cables: I got the stats after the restart
[11:06] <shirish> cables: ping me if u dont see it after the restart
[11:06] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, hi.
[11:06] <gregorovius> PriceChild, do you know if it's safe to install the new driver? (my card is supported)
[11:07] <gharz> zulfajuniadi, what's the difference between network-admin and nm (network manager)? whenever i start the system both r running.
[11:07] <cables> shirish, sure
[11:07] <cables> Ahhh these updates are taking a while... damn slow vm.
[11:07] <shirish> I will be here 20 mins. more
[11:07] <PriceChild> gregorovius, yes if your card is supported
[11:07] <cables> shirish, it'll take longer than that... it just took over a minute to update deskbar-applet
[11:08] <shirish> lol
[11:08] <cables> now it's on eog
[11:08] <shirish> @now calcutta
[11:08] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 11 2007, 02:38:26 - Current meeting: Technical Board
[11:08] <gregorovius> PriceChild, thanks, I was asking because the package isn't listed in launchpad or anything yet
[11:08] <PriceChild> bug 96430
[11:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[11:08] <shirish> as u can see its nearing 3 a.m. so gotta bow out guys, see u in few hrs.
[11:09] <concept10> h3sp4wn, im trying to decide on a embedded smallish distro, starting with ubuntu and slimming down takes to much time
[11:09] <superkirbyartist> What's to expect from Xubuntu Feisty?
[11:09] <phaidros> concept10: openwrt
[11:09] <phaidros> superkirbyartist: thats is greatest xubuntu ever :)
[11:10] <superkirbyartist> Phaidros: New features, please?
[11:10] <superkirbyartist> !xubuntu feisty
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xubuntu feisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> phaidros: So has the fonts always been broken with xubuntu ?
[11:10] <superkirbyartist> Phaidros: Can you tell me the new features, please?
[11:11] <cables> superkirbyartist, I don't know the ones for Xubuntu, but I'm assuming they're similar to the Ubuntu improvements
[11:11] <concept10> superkirbyartist, go look them up
[11:11] <superkirbyartist> How can I do that?
[11:11] <concept10> As George W. says:  Use The Google.
[11:12] <superkirbyartist> I've searched everywhere, none to be found except Pidgin new version.
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> concept10: I would use either gentoo embedded or openwrt
[11:12] <superkirbyartist> And I already installed Pidgin, it wasn't much fun.
[11:13] <phaidros> concept10: yeah, those 2 seem best.
[11:13] <gharz> guys, any idea which driver type is intel pro/wireless 2100? is it wlan-ng or Host AP/Orinoco or others?
[11:14] <phaidros> superkirbyartist: where did you install pidgin from?
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> Will Xubuntu come with Migration?
[11:14] <robert_> I don't really care about Pidgin support anyway
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> Phaidros: From Feisty reps.
[11:14] <robert_> since I maintain that myself
[11:14] <robert_> heh
[11:14] <cables> superkirbyartist, I'm assuming it's pretty much the same insaller
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> Cables, will it come with Windows-to-Linux, as announced?
[11:14] <phaidros> gharz: ipw2200 i think is the module called
[11:15] <superkirbyartist> Is that in Xubuntu or only Gnome?
[11:15] <phaidros> superkirbyartist: not in there for me :/
[11:15] <cables> superkirbyartist, since when has pidgin been in the reps? And what's the point of installing it... isn't it just the same as Gaim beta 6 but with a different name and icons?
[11:15] <robert_> all I care about is Evolution
[11:15] <cables> superkirbyartist, my guess is the installer is the same 'cause both XFCE and Gnome use GTK
[11:15] <phaidros> robert_: evolution works.
[11:15] <gharz> phaidros, yes.. .that correct... but i wanna if this type is wlan-ng or orinoco.
[11:15] <robert_> phaidros: but I seem to suck at compiling it myself
[11:15] <phaidros> gharz: definitely not orinoco, and isn't wlan-ng only for prism?
[11:15] <gharz> phaidros, thanks
[11:16] <phaidros> robert_: I'd like to see a rss/atom plugin for evolution
[11:16] <robert_> indeed
[11:16] <robert_> this window class doesn't need to be created
[11:17] <phaidros> robert_: do you know about a feed reader for evolution?
[11:17] <superkirbyartist> I'd like to see a FreeBASIC Fighting Game plugin for Pidgin!
[11:17] <robert_> hm, unfortunately not
[11:18] <phaidros> :(
[11:18] <robert_> superkirbyartist: Pidgin isn't Emacs.
[11:18] <cables> c'mon, you can do it, APT... I know you can do it. just a few more packages...
[11:18] <superkirbyartist> What is an Emacs?
[11:19] <awk> superkirbyartist> an editor?
[11:19] <robert_> not just an editor
[11:19] <awk> superkirbyartist> or rather.. an os ?
[11:19] <angasule> heh
[11:19] <cables> Not just an editor... a lifestyle.
[11:19] <robert_> it's got an irc client, media applet, etc. for it
[11:19] <superkirbyartist> fb-fight-game + pidgin = netplay
[11:19] <robert_> it's sickening
[11:19] <robert_> heh
[11:19] <cables> robert_, it is, but I like it :)
[11:19] <phaidros> its sick
[11:19] <robert_> :P
[11:20] <angasule> robert_: as long as you vomit into the kitchen sink...
[11:20] <cables> :)
[11:20] <phaidros> vi :P
[11:20] <robert_> :P
[11:20] <robert_> I prefer nano
[11:20] <robert_> heh
[11:20] <awk> ed
[11:20] <superkirbyartist> No one likes fb-fight-game?
[11:20] <awk> is an editor
[11:20] <phaidros> no, work to do.
[11:20] <cables> I really haven't tried Vi, and I don't use Emacs much, but when I'm editing perl (my only language) I use emacs
[11:21] <phaidros> awk is an editor?
[11:21] <awk> phaidros> no, ed is
[11:21] <phaidros> cables, i never got used to the shortcuts
[11:21] <awk> phaidros> and sed is as well
[11:21] <phaidros> ed, sed, jed .. yet?
[11:21] <awk> jed?
[11:21] <awk> never heard of it
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> sed is a good editor
[11:21] <cables> what's awk? I've heard that Perl is similar to Sed and Awk... I know what sed is, what's awk?
[11:21] <cables> h3sp4wn, sed is an editor?
[11:22] <angasule> bah, I prefer to write a C program to edit a specific text file
[11:22] <cables> angasule, that's the way to do it :)
[11:22] <awk> cables> it's basically a programming language
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> cables: "stream editor"
[11:22] <angasule> cables: it's the awkward programming language
[11:22] <phaidros> angasule: use perl or ruby
[11:22] <anti_pop> ehm, should i use -generic or -386 kernel ?
[11:22] <awk> although simple
[11:22] <awk> to process streams of texts
[11:22] <cables> aha
[11:23] <efface> 23fps in glxgears is far below normal right?
[11:23] <robert_> I want my smp kernel
[11:23] <awk> efface> yeah
[11:23] <efface> for a nvidia 6800 card
[11:23] <awk> efface> deffinitely
[11:23] <angasule> efface: it's normal for a 286 with a hercules card
[11:23] <efface> lol
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> angasule: haskell would work as well as C (and easier to write)
[11:23] <cables> efface, it's like... omg.
[11:23] <efface> well when i type glxinfo it says its using the nvidia driver
[11:23] <awk> lol haskell
[11:23] <angasule> seriously, I bet I can do the gears in software faster than 23fps on my 286
[11:23] <efface> any ideas?
[11:24] <cables> efface, that's weird... I get like WAY higher than that with no acceleration.
[11:24] <angasule> h3sp4wn: who wants to learn a language to edit text files? :P
[11:24] <awk> go for ruby instead
[11:24] <efface> yea, thought something was off :P
[11:24] <phixnay> hey, sup, when I upgraded to feisty, it changed my IDE cd drive to that thing that starts with S, and now I can't use it. Anyone heard of this problem, know how to fix it?
[11:24] <angasule> efface: quake 1 ran faster than that on a pentium with no hardware acceleration
[11:25] <efface> odd enough i went from 11fps to 6k fps down to 982 then to 11 then 3400, then to 6000, etc
[11:25] <efface> its all over the place
[11:25] <efface> ok i figured the symptom....its like 11-20 fps when glxgears is the main window
[11:25] <efface> if its behind this chat window and i dont see it
[11:26] <efface> it shoots up to 6k
[11:27] <robert_> awk -v
[11:27] <robert_> :P
[11:29] <cables> new version of vino?
[11:29] <cables> new usplash?
[11:29] <cables> hmm
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> awk: ruby is slow
[11:29] <efface> any clues?
[11:29] <awk> h3sp4wn> maybe
[11:29] <cables> yay
[11:29] <cables> updates done
[11:29] <phixnay> so how can I get my cd drive to work?
[11:29] <awk> h3sp4wn> but it's fast to write
[11:30] <cables> phixnay, CD support has been removed in Feisty.
[11:30] <cables> :-P
[11:30] <efface> cables: lol
[11:30] <cables> I think I once used something like that on an extreme noob who was /msg pestering me
[11:31] <Lukian> Where should I report an issue with a package version in the feisty repository to?
[11:31] <cables> One day I know I'm going to go all rtfm and gtfo, noob! on someone
[11:31] <cables> !rtfm
[11:31] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[11:31] <cables> pretty much everything Ubotu says not to do
[11:31] <phixnay> what about rtfb
[11:32] <cables> b?
[11:32] <phixnay> binary
[11:32] <cables> hmm
[11:32] <cables> lol
[11:32] <phixnay> I guess that's kind of hard to do
[11:32] <cables> there's this guy who can actually tell what's on a record by looking at it
[11:32] <cables> (unlabeled record of course)
[11:32] <cables> maybe by the distances between tracks?
[11:33] <cables> hmm
[11:33] <phixnay> lol that's pretty awesome
[11:33] <phixnay> too bad cd support has been removed
[11:33] <phixnay> I didn't think it would be deprecated this soon
[11:33] <cables> :)
[11:34] <phixnay> seriously though I was searching on the forums, but I didn't see anything
[11:34] <cables> phixnay, as you know, Ubuntu likes to stay on the very cutting edge. Sometimes, sacrifices are inevitable. Expect us to be removing HD support soon in favor of solid-state Flash drives.
[11:34] <anti_pop> cables thats crap
[11:34] <phixnay> probably cause I didn't know what to search
[11:34] <cables> anti_pop, what?
[11:34] <anti_pop> guy read cd thing :)
[11:34] <marcot> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu 7.4 and I want to change epiphany's dictionary of spell.
[11:34] <cables> anti_pop, I'm kidding of course
[11:34] <phixnay> cables, soon surround sound will be the only type supported
[11:35] <marcot> I've tryed to run LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_ALL=pt_BR.UTF-8 /usr/bin/epiphany (which works on gaim) but it keeps using en dictionary.
[11:35] <phixnay> hmm, I've never used epiphany
[11:36] <marcot> In gaim the dictionary has changed, but the language of the program is still in en_US I don't know why.
[11:36] <marcot> But I kind of like this, so it's not a problem to me.
[11:37] <marcot> In epiphany nothing changes.
[11:37] <marcot> And I give no warnings or error messages.
[11:38] <marcot> With firefox, it changes the language of the program, but the dictionary used is still en
[11:39] <phixnay> maybe there is a specific preference in epiphany somewhere
[11:39] <marcot> And in firefox.
[11:40] <marcot> spellchecker.dictionary
[11:42] <Beta> IS it good to have both Xchat and the gnome front end?
[11:42] <cables> Beta, xchat-gnome isn't a front end
[11:42] <Beta> Then what is it?
[11:42] <cables> Beta, they're 2 separate programs, you can have both installed (Xchat is better)
[11:42] <mahdi> anybody knows if alsa is broken on feisty? Will it b upgraded to 1.0.14rc3?
[11:42] <Beta> Ok.
[11:42] <cables> (imho)
[11:42] <cables> mahdi, I don't think it's broken.
[11:43] <mahdi> cables: my hda-intel over atiixp doesnt work anymore :( only on kernel 2.6.20-12
[11:43] <cables> mahdi, isn't on my box
[11:43] <cables> mahdi, can't help you there, sorry
[11:43] <mahdi> cables: tkz anyway :)
[11:47] <atselby> I was upgrading via the update-manager -d last night and it had about a half hour let when my internet connection messed up for whatever reason. I attempted to just now restart the update via the same command and it has failed.
[11:47] <atselby> Could I please get some help on this?
[11:47] <Lukian> Is nvidia-glx-new here to stay? :D
[11:48] <atselby> Anyone?
[11:49] <frojnd>  is there posible to connecto to a local maschine via krd and not knowing vnc's pass. I only know what's this maschine's pass and username ??,
[11:49] <Lukian> atselby, I was feeling a bit that way too, but then I found bug reports and a new package that fixed me right up :D
[11:49] <atselby> lukian: do you have a link handy? if not ill just search.
[11:49] <Lukian> frojnd, reset the vnc password using the root account over ssh?
[11:49] <Lukian> atselby, what's your issue? :D
[11:49] <Lukian> Mine was nvidia drivers :D
[11:49] <atselby> lukian: oh hold on i opened a new terminal window and it seems the update is working this time around...
[11:50] <Lukian> 404's from updates?
[11:50] <atselby> Yes.
[11:50] <atselby> Because my internet stopped working late last night.
[11:50] <Lukian> Yeah that happened to me a few hours back
[11:50] <atselby> Ah.
[11:50] <Lukian> Click "check" or run apt-get update
[11:50] <atselby> Is it the server than?
[11:50] <atselby> I did a minute ago.
[11:51] <Lukian> Yeah it is, try again later and it should work :)
[11:51] <atselby> Ah, good I reopened update-manager to get to the distro upgrade and it seems to have picked up where it left off now.
[11:51] <atselby> 1187 of 1388 files
[11:51] <atselby> Odd then.
[11:51] <atselby> So you had a nvidia problem after your upgrade?
[11:52] <Lukian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/amd64/nvidia-glx <- 9631 superseded 9755, which has a bugfix for twinview.
[11:52] <atselby> Ah.
[11:52] <atselby> Yeah, I don't have nvidia so I should be okay.
[11:52] <TheVault> Is there a place where you can download cursors?
[11:53] <Lukian> Reading bug reports, I found they added a package called "nvidia-glx-new"
[11:53] <atselby> Huhm, I'd hope that would be added before final.
[11:53] <Lukian> It magically solves the reversion to 9631 :)
[11:54] <phixnay> hey guys, I want to search the ubuntu forums for my cd issue that feisty changed my "hdd" cd drive to "sd1" and now it doesn't work
[11:54] <phixnay> any search tips, or ideas on how to fix it
[11:55] <Lukian> phixnay, define "doesn't work?"
[11:56] <squire> there's a fix for opera on feisty folks!
[11:56] <Lukian> er
[11:56] <Lukian> I've had it running for 3 days
[11:56] <Lukian> lol
[11:56] <Lukian> what's new? :)
[11:57] <atselby> Opera was messed up?
[11:57] <squire> damn u! ;P
[11:57] <atselby> I missed something.
[11:57] <Lukian> So what's the "fix" ? :p
[11:57] <MattJ> There's quite a difference between the Feisty beta release and what's current, is there not?
[11:57] <squire> some1 was asking about it earlier
[11:57] <MattJ> As in, a lot of updates...
[11:57] <Lukian> atselby, I manually installed (dpkg) 9.20 static #635
[11:58] <phixnay> lukian - once ubuntu boots up, the drive still opens and closes, but putting a disk in it doesn't do anything. It can still boot live cds and stuff, and cds work when I'm booted into windows
[11:58] <squire> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2007/04/06/hotfix
[11:58] <nilsjoa> hi :)
[11:58] <squire> latest weekly build seems to have cracked it
[11:58] <Lukian> phixnay, perhaps nautilus' autoplay is disabled or such? what does navigating to /media/sd1 show?
[11:58] <atselby> lukian: k
[11:59] <Lukian> 635 > 633.
[11:59] <Lukian> lol
[11:59] <nilsjoa> does anybody here use banshee in feisty?
[11:59] <Lukian> what's banshee?
[12:00] <misfit_toy_away> nilsjoa, nope I use exaile
[12:00] <MattJ> Exaile \o/
[12:00] <nilsjoa> lukian: a musikplayer, the only one with the possibility to get sth. like coverflow on itunes
[12:00] <Lukian> what's sth?
[12:01] <nilsjoa> lukian: something
[12:01] <MattJ> Feisty RC release in 2 days?
[12:01] <phixnay> lukian - /media/sd1 does not exist. $ ls /media [new line]  cdrom  cdrom0  windows
[12:01] <nilsjoa> lukian: i'm trying to get this fleow plugin run for hours, no for nights now
[12:01] <Lukian> so does cdrom or 0 have the contents of your cd?
[12:02] <nilsjoa> lukian: see here http://fleow.berlios.de/
[12:02] <phixnay> lukian - no - the drive doesn't even spin up when I put something in it
[12:03] <Lukian> oh I see, supermount has died?
[12:05] <phixnay> what is supermount?
[12:06] <phixnay> I don't know if ubuntu knows the computer has a cd drive
[12:06] <Lukian> phixnay, "supermount" is "technology" which automatically mounts and unmounts cd filesystems
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> kpowersave &/or hal keeps suspending my laptop after I resume.
[12:08] <thesilentw> hello everyone, can anyone explain me how to permanently change resolution on new feisty to 1280x1028 ?
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> not to mention it mutes my sound device sometimes AFTER I resume instead of before the suspend.
[12:09] <johnficca> having a problem with my nvidia-legacy driver
[12:10] <johnficca> the screen resolution, the highest I can get is 800x600
[12:10] <phixnay> lukian - supermount is broken then because it's not mounting stuff
[12:10] <johnficca> my screen is 1280x1024
[12:11] <capiira> hmm how long a kernel compilation can take on 2ghz p4?
[12:11] <johnficca> I tried editing the xorg.conf file, but it still does not work
[12:11] <thesilentw> johnficca, have same problem
[12:12] <johnficca> did you get it fixed
[12:12] <johnficca> ?
[12:12] <thesilentw> no
[12:12] <johnficca> not good
[12:12] <thesilentw> was asking for help before u join
[12:12] <thesilentw> join linux today xD
[12:13] <johnficca> I think i'm just going to go back to the vesa driver
[12:13] <Lukian> johnficca, thesilentw are you using nvidia?
[12:13] <thesilentw> yup
[12:13] <johnficca> yes
[12:13] <Lukian> did you install the latest updates?
[12:13] <johnficca> yep
[12:13] <thesilentw> yup
[12:13] <thesilentw> everything working
[12:14] <thesilentw> beryl and all
[12:14] <johnficca> my card is tnt2/pro
[12:14] <Lukian> that could be your issue then.
[12:14] <Lukian> try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[12:14] <thesilentw> i have a gforce 7800 GT
[12:14] <Lukian> 9755 got reverted to 96xx in the last update
[12:14] <thesilentw> i just install feisty
[12:14] <Lukian> 96xx uses "nvidia-auto-select" if no other modes are working
[12:14] <thesilentw> it updated
[12:15] <Lukian> You probably just need to learn how to edit xorg.conf :)
[12:15] <Lukian> <- two monitors
[12:15] <thesilentw> i did
[12:15] <thesilentw> like in tutorial
[12:15] <thesilentw> have custom 1280x1028 70 set
[12:16] <thesilentw> but,...nothing change after i restart x server
[12:16] <thesilentw> that apt get install didnt work
[12:16] <johnficca> I just got an error install the thing you said to install
[12:16] <thesilentw> thevault, did u get it?
[12:16] <TheVault> get what?
[12:16] <thesilentw> dock
[12:17] <TheVault> No
[12:17] <Lukian> johnficca, what error?
[12:17] <TheVault> seeklets, I'm not sure to download that at
[12:17] <Lukian> johnficca, technically you should be using nvidia-glx-legacy with a tnt.
[12:17] <johnficca> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:17] <johnficca>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-new_1.0.9755+2.6.20.5-14.16_i386.deb
[12:17] <johnficca> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:18] <Lukian> is that all? how very useful..
[12:18] <gharz> guys, how do i boot in verbose mode? i wanna see what files or does the system is working during boot time?
[12:18] <gharz> F2 doesn't work
[12:18] <Lukian> gharz, edit menu.lst
[12:18] <TheVault> But I have kinda a problem and I want to see if others are getting this. I downloaded a video from youtube and I opened it up with VLC player. Well when I move the window, the video playback goes black, so I have to move the VLC window a little to see the picture again. I'm wanting to know if this is a common problem when your using beryl or is it just me?
[12:19] <TheVault> That happens to any media player I use to do playback in. With only beryl activated.
[12:19] <Lukian> TheVault, try changing the video output mode in VLC.
[12:19] <thesilentw> lukian, i got that apt get to work, i typed it wrong, now how do i proceed
[12:19] <TheVault> how do you do that?
[12:19] <Lukian> under it's settings :p
[12:19] <TheVault> lukian: Which option should I choose?
[12:20] <Lukian> TheVault, hmm, something that's not opengl
[12:20] <Lukian> there should be about 3 in there that will render video
[12:20] <TheVault> Alright, I clicked on settings & went to preferences
[12:20] <gharz> guys, how do i stop running network-admin whenever i start my system? i can't find it in my startup menu.
[12:21] <Lukian> haha gharz that's annoying me too
[12:21] <gharz> gharz, in feisty... network-admin doesn't work well... i can't login to my hidden network.
[12:21] <TheVault> lukian: Not sure where to change the settings. I went to Settings & clicked Preferences, now what do i click on?
[12:22] <Lukian> TheVault, sec, let me install it
[12:22] <TheVault> Lukian: Alrighty
[12:23] <Lukian> TheVault, video, output modules and check advanced
[12:23] <Lukian> try X11, XVideo and OpenGL
[12:24] <TheVault> alrighty
[12:24] <TheVault> now lemme see if I can play it without it going black
[12:24] <Lukian> It's probably a beryl issue btw, as you are running two things in "3d" at once
[12:24] <marcot> What's the best way of reporting a bug in ubuntu?
[12:24] <marcot> bugs.ubuntu.com?
[12:24] <marcot> Or is there a reportbug similar?
[12:24] <Lukian> marcot, yeah I was about to report one and found a solution :)
[12:25] <marcot> Lukian: but is it the best way bugs.ubuntu.com?
[12:25] <thesilentw> thevault, couldnt it be screenlets ?
[12:26] <Lukian> marcot, afaik, yes
[12:26] <thesilentw> lukian
[12:26] <thesilentw> can we continue ?
[12:26] <thesilentw> about changing the screen resolutiojn
[12:27] <thesilentw> did that aptget nvidia-glx-new
[12:27] <thesilentw> now?
[12:27] <thesilentw> thevault, couldnt it be screenlets ?
[12:27] <TheVault> Alright, The X11 option works