bur[n] er-R will change everything in the homedir12:25
christyxx1just tried it again - says operand missing at end of script12:25
Infectohcitool dev12:25
Infectocan some one tell me why bluetooth dont work ?12:25
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christyxx1ooops - i see the space!12:26
christyxx1hang on12:26
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Infectoi dont even se device12:26
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bur[n] erInfecto: lshw show it?12:26
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christyxx1how do i know if it worked12:27
christyxx1no error message now when i did it12:27
bur[n] erls -l /home/user and see if they're owned by you12:27
Infectobur[n] er: no12:28
Infectoi`v got loaded modules12:28
Infectobluetooth              55908  4 rfcomm,l2cap12:29
bur[n] erInfecto: if lshw doesn't see it, that seems odd12:29
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christyxx1if i get a list does that mean i own it now?12:29
Tomghi all, my bluetooth only works when i disconnect me dongle then reconnect it, anyone shed some light on this?12:30
bur[n] erchristyxx1: if you get a list and all fo the items in that list show that you own it... via christy:christy or user:user or whatever12:30
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christyxx1thx burner12:30
christyxx1much obliged12:30
bur[n] erhasta luego12:30
Infectoi se only wi-fi card12:31
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linux_kidHow do I correctly upgrade edgy to feisty12:33
jrib!upgrade > linux_kid    (linux_kid, see the private message from ubotu)12:34
linux_kidthank you jrib12:34
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ChetwinI am so confused12:36
ChetwinI want to install xp after ubuntu, but when I look at the howtos I feel like a total noob12:36
ChetwinI havent installed xp yet, what should I do?12:36
Tomgdo you have a spare partition?12:37
ChetwinI'm gonna shrink with gparted12:37
Tomgwhich howto are you following?12:37
ChetwinI looked at 3 diff ones12:37
ChetwinI get lost when it comes to reinstalling grub12:37
Chetwin(hd0,2) blah blah12:38
ChetwinI don't get it12:38
PumpernickelWhat do I have to do to get a microphone to work with an ICH5 chipset?  I've only managed to 'record' silence, so far.12:38
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TomgChetwin: bit hard to explain from here... do you just have one hd?12:38
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Tomgright it should still be at (hd0)12:39
peterfluteThanks for the help arko, but it dodn't work.....12:40
Chetwinwhat should be at hd012:40
Arkopeterflute: sorry12:40
ChetwinCan we pm, I feel foolish12:40
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Tomgwhen you have installed windows, you will have to boot into linux using a livecd, such as the ubuntu one or knoppix, then run "grub-install /dev/sda"12:41
Tomglol kk12:41
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beg1689hey guys12:49
beg1689i cant get xpad to work in feisty12:49
beg1689it worked in edgy :/12:49
beg1689i had to make a few small changes to the source but after compiling and loading the module it still wont recognize my 360 controller :'(12:50
beg1689its the only gamepad i have12:50
beg1689anyone else try it?12:50
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beg1689i only made a couple of changes12:51
beg1689the ones mentioned here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xbox_360_controller_on_Linux12:51
beg1689and i changed SLAB_ATOMIC to GFP_ATOMIC because the former doesn;t seem to exist anymore12:52
beg1689compiles and inserts fine12:52
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beg1689just doesnt recognize usb device as a controller: http://rafb.net/p/mk7o7Q94.html12:53
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rockzmanCan anyone help me i need to install mysql 4 instead of 5 on my server is that possible?12:55
Tomgbeg1689: ill dig out my xpad and test it if you want12:56
beg1689ok, but i imagine youll just get the same result12:56
beg1689something in the new kernel isnt compatible12:56
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beg1689ve been googling a bit but all i found is people complaining that SLAB_ATOMIC is undefined,12:57
Tomgrockzman : you could always compile from source12:57
beg1689so they didnt get as far as i did12:57
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rockzmanTomg could you guide me that?12:58
beg1689i replaced it with GFP_ATOMIC, hoping that would fix it, and it did make it compile but i get no js device12:58
beg1689perhaps i should ask in #linux :)12:58
Tomgrockzman : sur, grab the source from the mysq website12:58
Tomgbeg1689 : just compile a new kernel :D12:58
rockzmank Tomg12:59
rockzmanon my way12:59
rockzmanTomg no .deb package for the 4.1 version that yuo know?01:02
Tomgthere may be, you could look in the older repos01:02
rockzmanTomg i already found01:02
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|NewUser|`can someone help? when i try to sudo apt-get update .. something problem there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14780/01:03
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rockzmanTomg first, i try to compile it using .deb packages01:11
moparisthebestcan someone help me recover my system after upgrading to 7.04 beta?01:11
moparisthebestit seems to be a busybox problem from what I can tell01:11
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes01:11
moparisthebest/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off01:12
moparisthebestis the error01:12
moparisthebestI already upgraded |NewUser|` but the system wont boot now01:12
TomgTomg: deb-src?01:12
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|NewUser|`moparisthebest: sorry dude i m newbie too i cant help you.01:13
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gemidjyI noticed the package beryl-kubuntu in latest feisty upgrade, but couldn't find any visual change, what does this package do anyway?01:13
jugoWhats the question01:13
|NewUser|`can someone help? when i try to sudo apt-get update .. something problem there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14780/01:14
moparisthebestjugo, my system freezes when booting up01:14
moparisthebest/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off01:14
moparisthebestthat is the last thing that shows up01:14
moparisthebestwhich is right after busybox shows up01:14
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moparisthebesti just upgraded from 6.10, this is an amd64 system01:14
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jcolei'm having apps like gaim, firefox and evolution freeze hard on feisty01:15
moparisthebesti could deal with that type of thing, but i cant even get to the command line :(01:16
jcolei'm on gaim now and it will probably lock up as i start talking more... any suggestion on what i can do to figure out what is going on?01:17
moparisthebestjcole, gaim and firefox use GTK I think01:18
jcoledoing an strace on firefox it stops at this when it locks up:01:18
jcolefutex(0x8bf0030, FUTEX_WAIT, 1, NULL)01:18
moparisthebesti dont know what evolution is01:18
moparisthebestperhaps its a GTK problem? :/01:18
jcolemoparisthebest: evolution is a gtk/gnome email client01:18
moparisthebestit could be a gtk problem, see if you can use a different version maybe01:19
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DigitalNinjaAny new things happening with Feisty?01:26
phaidrosDigitalNinja: yes. its updated.01:26
DigitalNinjaWhat do you mean "updated"?01:27
phaidrosI had some new packages today :)01:27
DigitalNinjaYes I get those01:27
DigitalNinjaWell, I would if I told it to update01:27
DigitalNinja: )01:27
DigitalNinjaDoes anyone know about CNR?01:28
DigitalNinjaClick and Run01:28
DigitalNinjaI take I'm the only one who has heard of CNR01:29
BHSPitMonkeyoh yeah01:29
DigitalNinjaSo you have heard of it01:30
BHSPitMonkeyyou're the only one who follows news that's relevant to ubuntu around here01:30
BHSPitMonkeywe're all dickheads01:30
DigitalNinjaNone said anything01:30
DigitalNinjaIncluding you01:30
phaidrosDigitalNinja: sometimes its ok to wait some minutes in irc for answers ;)01:31
DigitalNinjaI know01:31
phaidrosand, no I didn't hear about cnr .. sounds like something I don't want, though01:31
DigitalNinjaI asked about this a few days ago and didn't get anything then01:31
DigitalNinjaWell, you may want CNR01:31
DigitalNinjaI think I want it01:31
phaidroswhat for?01:32
DigitalNinjahold on01:32
DigitalNinjacheck it out01:32
misfit_toyCNR may be cool, it may not, we'll see how it's rolled out.01:33
phaidrosah, this stupid effort to have yet another software repository ..01:33
phaidrosI didn't like the idea from the first day01:34
misfit_toyand it won't all be free from what I understand01:34
phaidrosits just another idea how to make money with linux.01:34
misfit_toyplus there's the whole linspire involvement01:34
misfit_toyso I really have no interest at the moment.01:34
phaidrosif CNR is the first thing new users stumble about, they get the totally wring impression of what Free Software means01:34
DigitalNinjaphaidros: I heard that CNR will have legal copies of multimedia codecs01:35
phaidrosI wonder why DigitalNinja thinks universe and multiverse wouldn't be enough01:35
phaidrosDigitalNinja: yes, and you can buy crossover office, or just use open office ..01:35
phaidrosok, I agree its about choice.01:36
DigitalNinjaphaidros: Well, the new way of installing the codecs is cool. Just double click the media and install the codec. Before that it was difficult to install codecs01:36
DigitalNinjaMultimedia needs to be simple.01:36
phaidrosif the kernel devs discuss _not_ to have an API for non-free modules .. what is in political aspects so great about another proprietary codec repository ,, which ppl even have to pay for ..01:36
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DigitalNinjaIf it's not simple a lot of people will stick with Microsoft01:37
phaidrosDigitalNinja: I always installed codecs with apt .. thats not dificult01:37
DigitalNinjaphaidros: Yes you can do it that way. however, you need to edit sources etc...01:37
phaidrosDigitalNinja: who dies for proprietary stuff might not need linux or see the difference of Free Software01:37
DigitalNinjaYou can't just type apt-get codecs01:37
DigitalNinjaDesktop users want multimedia to work. That includes mp3's, wmv files etc...01:38
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phaidrosDigitalNinja: I agree that there is much mor improvements needed for new users and ease of ue, but sneaking around and looking where to get the codecs has at least 2 impacts:01:38
phaidros1. better knowledge of the system01:38
phaidros2. clearance about free - non-free - propretary01:39
phaidrosboth is knowledge transfer01:39
phaidroswhich is imho veeerrrry important01:39
DigitalNinjaHold on there. Some people don't want better knowledge of the system. They just want to surf the net, check email, and play media files01:39
phaidrosthey can01:39
Suurorcawell, not ever having to deal with simple matters means you're screwed when a real problem pops up :p01:39
DigitalNinjaI agree Suurorca01:39
phaidroseven my mom can install all she need with ubuntu. ok, I have to tell her on the phone, but anyway01:40
DigitalNinjaHowever, how many Windows users out there know what's going on inside of Windows.01:40
phaidrosDigitalNinja: read again what Suurorca said :)01:40
DigitalNinjaThey can surf and play there media01:40
phaidrosDigitalNinja: this issue is deeper than just having a 20$ repository01:40
phaidrosits about Free vs. proprietary01:40
DigitalNinjaThat's why the line for tech support at Best Buy is so long.01:41
phaidrosnot solvable with yet another "open source business model"01:41
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Suurorcawindows is built so that users are not told anything about what happens in the system and thus having them call the 555- customer service when things fail =p01:41
phaidrosACK. and linux is about mature computing01:41
DigitalNinjaSome people want to call tech support to have things fixed01:41
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DigitalNinjaThey don't know how to fix their computer and they don't want to fix it. They want someone to do it for them01:42
phaidrosDigitalNinja: so by putting proprietary paid support up for those users helps linux?01:42
DigitalNinjaIt's like a car. I have one but I don't know how to fix it and I don't want to know how to fix it. That's why I have the shop do it for me01:42
phaidrosthe car comparison is rubbish. sry.01:42
misfit_toybut if someone gave you a free car, and it was easy to fix....01:43
phaidrosin windows you have to learn how to use it. e.g. installign things by clicking setup.exe01:43
DigitalNinjaI don't have time to fix a free car01:43
DigitalNinjaI don't have the space for all the parts either01:43
Suurorcaand some people want to be able to figure things out themselves without any help and fix things in an intuitive and easy to control manner.01:43
phaidroseasy things you will have to learn if you want to use a computer.01:43
DigitalNinjaSuurorca: That's true01:43
Suurorcagood thing both users can pick their OS, don't you think ;)01:43
DigitalNinjathat's guys like you and me01:44
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DigitalNinjahowever, grand parents that want to send email to the grand kids don't want to spend time fixing their computer01:44
phaidrosfreedom is about choice.01:44
DigitalNinjathey just want it to work01:44
DigitalNinjaIf CNR will make it easy to install multimedia codecs I'm all for it01:44
phaidrosDigitalNinja: grandparents usually don't use bittorrent and listen to mp3s01:44
DigitalNinjaHow do you know?01:45
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Suurorcathose zealots who want linux to take 100% of the market make ofc good for the hardware support (through increased media coverage etc..) but the truth is linux is not suited for people who think they know how computers work but have no patience to learn01:45
phaidrosDigitalNinja: I know none01:45
tgm4883most grandparent don't know what a mp3 is01:45
phaidrosits just empirical knowledge :)01:45
DigitalNinjaThey might get a video clip of the grand kids in mpg format or something like that01:45
ubotuautomatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe01:45
phaidrosmpeg is supported01:46
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tgm4883thats awesome01:46
DigitalNinjaphaidros: If that's true how come mp3's arn't supported01:46
tgm4883the best description of automatix i've seen01:46
DigitalNinjaisn't that part of the mpeg format01:46
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.01:46
phaidrosmpeg2 != mpeg layer 301:46
DigitalNinjaphaidros: How come I can't play mp3's after a default install?01:47
phaidrosmpeg2 is _not_ mp3 .. you said mpeg movie which implies its mpeg201:47
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:47
|NewUser|`DigitalNinja: install w32codecs01:47
DigitalNinjaI could install them01:48
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/01:48
|NewUser|`DigitalNinja:  Check Medibuntu01:48
DigitalNinjahowever, grandma won't be able to install the w32codecs01:48
DigitalNinjaIt's to much work01:48
phaidroswell, then01:48
DigitalNinjaIf linux is going to make it on the desktop things like multimedia need to be simple01:48
johnnybuoybut w32codecs is illegal in many places, man01:48
phaidrosif grandma is able to read a step by step howto she is able to do.01:48
Suurorca'linux going to make it on the desktop'01:48
johnnybuoya distro can not provide the out of the box01:48
phaidrosits the same effort like using CRN ..01:49
DigitalNinjaYou can't ask users to learn this that and the other just to play multimedia file01:49
DigitalNinjaIn Windows you just play the media01:49
Suurorcayou know, I know there are people who cannot set their own VCR, but I've never understood why01:49
DigitalNinjawhy can't we do things in Linux01:49
johnnybuoyDigitalNinja, not true!01:49
phaidrosyou can't ask users to learn that they have to click start for shutting down their system01:49
tgm4883why not?01:49
johnnybuoyyou need a media player and codecs in windows too01:50
Suurorcanor do I understand why should every vcr be such that it does not need to be configured / set up - that's almost as saying it does not need to be used01:50
phaidrosDigitalNinja: what your point? if grandma is new to windows. where does she get vlc from? or this and that as you say?01:50
johnnybuoyand Vista can't even play DVDs without a 50$ purchase of a licence for DVD playing01:50
DigitalNinjaphaidros: That's my point. Some people don't know left from right when it comes to computers.01:50
bur[n] erDigitalNinja: and because of that, why should they be pushed to windows instead of linux...  they both end up doing the same01:50
johnnybuoythen they don't know how to use windows either, and other people set it up for them01:50
phaidrosDigitalNinja: here  and there people _have_ to understand what its about. either windows or linux. its a dam* computer, man01:50
Suurorcacomputer is after all, a programmable multipurpose device. a computer that doesn't allow that is as good as a paperweight =p01:50
johnnybuoyso the other people can set up linux, if the want to01:51
phaidroshehe, I bricked once a laptop to paperwight :D01:51
DigitalNinjaphaidros: Know! They should be able to turn on the computer, log in, get work done01:51
DigitalNinjaThat's it01:51
phaidrosDigitalNinja: they cant in windows either01:51
DigitalNinjaAsking the average user to learn more is asking way to much01:51
phaidrosthats the point!01:51
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DigitalNinjaphaidros: If they can't even do it in Windows they will never use Linux. They will stick with Windows01:52
phaidross/either/neither .. damn foregn languages ..01:52
DraconicusHey.. my w32codecs don't work in VLC... What gives?01:52
DigitalNinjaI would like to see them using Linux01:52
DigitalNinjaDranconicus: Multimedia codecs in Linux suck01:52
phaidrosDigitalNinja: one who has never touched a computer might be very easy getting the concepts of linux. believe me01:52
DigitalNinjaIt takes way to much work to install them01:52
DraconicusDigitalNinja: Uh... no?01:52
tgm4883why are we arguing about grandma using linux?01:52
johnnybuoynot true, w32codecs in linux suck01:52
johnnybuoybut the name says why01:52
Suurorcabah. the only reason why linux should take over is to get rid of all those infested botnets =p01:52
DigitalNinjaphaidros: Some of them. Not all of them01:52
Tom47_do you report bugs in feisty in launchpad in the usual way?01:53
DraconicusThey worked fine in Debian. That's why I'm confused.01:53
phaidrosTom47_: yes01:53
DigitalNinjaDraconicus: Who knows01:53
DraconicusDigitalNinja: I think I'll put you on ignore.01:53
johnnybuoyDraconicus, where did you install them from?01:53
crimsunDraconicus: we don't enable w32loader support for vlc.01:53
DigitalNinjatgm4883: I was using "grandma" as an example of a user that doesn't know much01:53
phaidroscrimsun: why that?01:53
Draconicuscrimsun: Is there a way to or some kind of workaround?01:53
johnnybuoyw32codecs work fine here in vlc01:53
crimsunDraconicus: you're free to recompile with the option enabled.01:53
johnnybuoyfun fun fun01:54
DraconicusAh. Fair enough. I'll do it that way.01:54
phaidrosand mplayer??01:54
crimsunphaidros: it breaks on non-i386.01:54
phaidroscrimsun: true01:54
Draconicusphaidros: Works fine.01:54
tgm4883so why are we arguing about a user that doesn't know much using linux?01:54
Draconicuscrimsun: You could just make an exclusive i386 package..01:54
phaidrostgm4883: DigitalNinja was about CNR from linspire, and that it saves the world ..01:54
crimsunDraconicus: no we can't.01:54
DigitalNinjaWhy do computer people think that the end user is the enemy. We should be helping those that don't know as much as we do01:54
tgm4883ah ok01:54
phaidrosDigitalNinja: we do help01:55
Draconicuscrimsun: Why not? You do it for mplayer. :P01:55
DigitalNinjanot making there life a living hell because we think they are stupid because they can't get the computer to play a DVD01:55
crimsunDraconicus: read the changelog, and you'll see my rationale for disabling it.01:55
crimsunDraconicus: rather, leaving it disabled.01:55
SuurorcaDigitalNinja: grandma's are pretty much ideal linux users. they don't even expect to be able to use a computer and they are perfectly satisfied with whatever comes out of the box. or then they are bored enough to actually RTFM and get things runnings01:55
phaidrosDigitalNinja: putting up yet another 20$ proprietary repository, even if its one-click-foo doesn't solve the problem01:55
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Suurorcathe problem is with ppl who go like 'omg I need to read these 5 lines of text'01:55
DigitalNinjaphaidros: You may be right01:55
rockzmanCan anyone help me to remove COMPLETELY mysql 5 so i can unpackage my mysql 4 version01:55
phaidrosSuurorca: thats actually true, I like your logic ;)01:55
phaidrosrockzman aptitue search mysql01:56
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phaidrosthen aptitude remove allthepackesmarkedwith'i' --purge01:56
phaidrosor use synaptic and search for mysql01:56
DigitalNinjaSuurorca: And I'm sure the next time you need your car fixed you will read the manual and fix it your self01:57
phaidrosrockzman, and there make sure you remove config files also01:57
SuurorcaDigitalNinja: if it will take me an hour to do it and save me a grand, I will =P01:57
phaidrosactually cars are different01:57
DigitalNinjaNo they are not01:57
Suurorcathough I'd need some tools... so your example isn't exactly valid01:57
tgm4883Suurorca, don't forget the 2 lines that you have to copy and paste01:57
DigitalNinjaSuurorca: Just get the tools and read the manual01:58
Suurorcatgm4883: ah, I kne I made it sound too easy :/01:58
Suurorcatools are expensive :p01:58
rockzmanphaidros k i am running a 7.04 server if i do remove that mysql packages01:58
phaidrosI'd prefer a car running on linux. not a 100$/hour mechanic using a blackbox to identify problems ..01:58
Suurorcawith a computer you usually have all the tools you need01:58
phaidrossame shi* there01:58
tgm4883I actually have the tools and manual for my car, so yes i would fix it01:58
rockzmanphaidros can i use dpkg -i to install mysql4 on this server?01:58
DigitalNinjaphaidros: There's more to fixing a car then asking software to tell you what's wrong01:58
phaidrosrockzman: why should you?01:59
phaidrosapt is fine for that purpose01:59
rockzmanphaidros for the 4?01:59
phaidrosbut if you prefer dpkg it should work also, but dependencies might be hassle01:59
rockzmanit uses mysql-server-5 as dependent01:59
DigitalNinjaYou should be using the latest version of mysql01:59
SuurorcaDigitalNinja: it's really not that difficult to locate a broken part and replace it01:59
rockzmanDigitalNinja my costumer dont want it01:59
DigitalNinjaI see01:59
phaidrosrockzman: I actually dunno if there is a mysql4 still in the repos as fallback if 5 doesn't fit the app. anyone?02:00
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DigitalNinjarockzman: why not?02:00
moparisthebesthas anyone installed the proprietary nvidia drivers on feisty?02:00
rockzmanphaidros i've just found a 4 on a old repos02:00
moparisthebestdo they work?02:00
SuurorcaDigitalNinja: of course that doesn't solve every problem, but then again you don't need to be re-writing the source to solve most of your linux problems, either02:00
tgm4883work fine for me02:00
rockzmanDigitalNinja then he would say im not paid to ask this questions02:00
phaidrosDigitalNinja: yeah but except of the software is handwork, I'm also not repairing my complete home-electric ..02:00
DigitalNinjarockzman: Oh, is this one of those situations where you do what you are told and don't ask any questions?02:01
phaidrosrockzman: why feisty then?02:01
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DigitalNinjaphaidros: I'm was thinking the same thing02:02
rockzmanphaidros Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.0 to 4.1.02:02
rockzmanwhy is that02:02
DigitalNinjarockzman: I think it's a bad idea to "downgrade" or install version 4 of mySQL02:03
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phaidrosrockzman: who is aborting?02:03
rockzmani got this error when i try to unpackage the .deb file i got from repos02:03
DigitalNinjathat's my 2 cents any way02:04
rockzmanthe instalattion02:04
phaidrosDigitalNinja: if its needed mysql4 is still a good piece of software02:04
DigitalNinjaphaidros: Ture02:04
phaidrosand if your actually running application has no use for mysql5 then you _need_ 4 ..02:04
rockzmanyea phaidros02:05
rockzmancan i paste02:05
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rockzmanthe message i got trying on apt02:05
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rockzmansudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.102:05
rockzman3 or 2 lines tho02:05
DigitalNinjarockzman: that looks good to me02:05
rockzmanOs NOVOS pacotes a seguir sero instalados:02:05
rockzman  libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libmysqlclient15off libnet-daemon-perl02:05
rockzman  libplrpc-perl mysql-client-5.0 mysql-common mysql-server-4.102:05
rockzman  mysql-server-5.002:05
phaidrosstrange in the repos is mysql-server-4.102:05
phaidrosbut it requires mysql-server-502:06
rockzman Os NOVOS pacotes a seguir sero instalados: (the new packages are going to be installed)02:06
rockzmanphaidros ok even if i proceed is there somehow to run the 4.1?02:06
rockzmanaswell i got that installed02:06
phaidrosrockzman: for such pastelines please use pastebin or such02:06
rockzmanphaidros sorry02:06
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rockzmani dont care if more versions are going to be installed02:06
rockzmani just would like to run the 402:07
rockzmanis that possible to run the 4?02:07
DigitalNinjalook for the start up script for version 402:07
rockzmannow im going to proceed02:07
phaidroshm, I'm not sure but I would excpect then a config file to choose mysql version or 2 different startup scripts in /etc/init.d02:07
DigitalNinjathere should be something in /etc/init.d02:07
rockzmanlemme check02:07
DigitalNinjaif there isn't you need to find out why02:08
DigitalNinjaIt could be that 4 didn't get installed02:08
rockzmanim going to hceck it know02:08
rockzmanthrough dpkg -02:08
rockzmanthrough dpkg -l02:08
rockzmanii  mysql-server-4.1                           5.0.38-0ubuntu1                        mysql database server (transitional package)02:09
DigitalNinjaWell, look in /etc/init.d02:09
DigitalNinjamake sure there is a mysql script in there02:09
rockzmanthere is02:09
DigitalNinjayou also need to make sure it's going to start version 402:09
rockzmannone of this suggest you it is the 4?02:10
DigitalNinjayou need to read the text in the file02:10
DigitalNinjait's a script that starts mysql02:10
rockzmanServer version: 5.0.38-Ubuntu_0ubuntu1-log02:10
DigitalNinjahowever, it could start mysql 502:10
rockzmanit is the 5 when i try to start that02:10
DigitalNinjaThat's what I'm talking about02:11
phaidrosok, I isntalled the 4.1 package also, but cannot find any occurance of 4.1 in the file syste,02:11
phaidrosnot even in init.d/02:11
DigitalNinjaBackup the start up scripts in /etc/init.d for mysql02:11
rockzmanhow can that be possible02:11
DigitalNinjathen edit the file to run mysql 4 or something like that02:11
rockzmanDigitalNinja where is it located on filesystem?02:12
DigitalNinjayou need to make sure the start up script is going to run version 402:12
phaidrosok, it seems the package delivers only /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1 ..02:12
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phaidrosDigitalNinja: maybe you should try it before you recommend sumthing ;)02:12
DigitalNinjaSounds to me like something either didn't get installed or the scripts are starting version 502:12
rockzmanbut how the system shows it installed02:13
rockzmanhow can that be possible02:13
DigitalNinjaI didn't recommend anything02:13
DigitalNinjaOh, I did02:13
phaidrosdpkg -S mysql-server-4.102:13
DigitalNinjaI said you shouldn't install version 402:13
phaidrossee what got installed rockzman02:13
phaidrosI may put you on ignore DigitalNinja ;)02:13
rockzmanphaidros only documentation02:14
rockzmanbig one02:14
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rockzmannow what should i download it from mysql.com?02:14
bur[n] ernothing from mysql.com02:14
phaidroshehe, ok. what about not using feisty? just use the system which was there before. or try debian 4.002:14
bur[n] erwhy not apt-get mysql-server ?02:14
phaidrosimho its crap to fiddle around on servers with software which is not in the repos02:15
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phaidrosbur[n] er: because mysql 4 is wanted02:15
phaidroswhich is not in feisty02:15
DigitalNinjaAs it shouldn't be02:15
phaidrosDigitalNinja: imho it should02:15
rockzmani would like to know i tried installing 6.10 server but it does not support sata kernel02:15
phaidrosDigitalNinja: again: there _are_ reasons to use it still02:15
rockzmanis that possible to use feisty kernel02:15
rockzmanbut another version02:15
rockzmanhow to02:16
phaidrosshould be.02:16
rockzmanany tuto ?02:16
DigitalNinjarockzman: What? no sata in 6.1002:16
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bur[n] erphaidros: use dapper ;)02:16
rockzmanDigitalNinja yea that is why i installed the feisty02:16
phaidrosbur[n] er: yeah rockzman just asks for it :)02:16
DigitalNinjaI installed 6.0 on sata raid02:16
DigitalNinjait should work just fine02:16
bur[n] eroh oh... rockzman, why not transition to mysql5, that's not possible?02:16
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rockzmanDigitalNinja i get that error that the cd cant be found02:16
spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?02:16
phaidrosrockzman: edgy has all mysql4 packages, just looked at my servers02:17
rockzmanbur[n] er acculey i would like to install mysql4 on feistyu02:17
DigitalNinjarockzman: Is this a sata CD drive or IDE drive02:17
rockzmancould you guys guide me on mysql.com so we give a try02:17
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DigitalNinjarockzman: The CD could be bad02:17
DigitalNinjaCompiling mysql is a bit tricky02:17
rockzmanphaidros mmm02:17
phaidrosrockzman: try edgy, please. or better: try mysql5 with transition and show that it works02:17
rockzmani am going to give a shot02:18
rockzmanon edgy02:18
DigitalNinjaFollow phaidros instructions02:18
DigitalNinjaI'm out02:18
DigitalNinjahope it works rockzman02:18
phaidrosedgy: p   mysql-server-4.1                - mysql database server binaries02:18
phaidrosits in the repos there. ^^^^ rockzman02:18
spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?02:18
rockzmanyea phaidros02:18
phaidrosspenc3: sry, using nano here02:19
phaidrosbtw, anyone knows a good ruby ide?02:19
tgm4883spenc3, is it giving you an error?02:19
phaidrosor is there syntax with nano?02:19
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phaidrosand code completion?02:19
rockzmanphaidros mysql-server-4.1_4.1.15-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb02:19
rockzmanu meen that file02:19
phaidrosand atuo-code?02:19
phaidrosrockzman: I don't know the file name, I just asked apt, and apt says the packages for the server binaries are there.02:20
phaidrosI would install edgy if I were you.02:20
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phaidrosmessing with distro version might not be best idea for a stable sever02:20
rockzmanphaidros edgy = 6.10?02:21
phaidroserm, yes02:21
phaidrosdapper was 6.04? yeah, or?02:22
rockzmanphaidros this fuck*ng edgy kernel cant support said02:22
PriceChild!ohmy | rockzman02:22
uboturockzman: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.02:22
rockzmancant support sata*02:22
rockzmanphaidros what distro would you recommend for lamp servers?02:23
phaidrosmaybe try to put edgy in your sources list (_not_recommended_ .. especially not for servers)02:23
phaidroslamp? I used to use dapper. switched to edgy.02:23
phaidrosfurther I like debian, sarge or etch, deends on personal likings02:23
marshall_hey guys02:24
phaidrosor go gentoo, which might take some time, but is ok.02:24
phaidrosbut: use gentoo only if you are sure you _want_ to use gentoo on a server, and know what that means (by effort)02:24
marshall_im getting some choppiness in totem-gstreamer and vlc. any idea why this might be? i installed ubuntu-restricted stuff02:25
phaidrosI personally dislike all redhat and fedora flavours, like mandrake also02:25
phaidrosmarshall_: choppines?02:25
marshall_yeah phaidros02:25
phaidroshm, I'm german, dunno what choppines means, so cant help, sry02:26
marshall_low frame rate02:26
marshall_poor playback02:26
phaidrosare you on beryl?02:26
marshall_videos that would run smooth play badly02:27
marshall_i have desktop effects enabled02:27
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marshall_but i have compiz and aiglx on edgy and videos still played well02:28
phaidrosyeah, same here. the accelerated video is not working then02:28
phaidrostried mplayer with -ao gl2 ?02:28
MrFeetioazureus keeps dumping its core, how do I change what java vm it uses( I seem to recall that fixing it in the past)02:29
phaidrostry that. and then try -ao xv .. see if its different. imho xv is "disturbed" by aiglx, I'm not a pro on this, just empirical02:29
marshall_and every time i try to play some files in totem-gstreamer it asks if i want to search for the appropriate codec02:29
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marshall_which would be nice if it didnt have me install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg every time i wanted to play a video02:29
phaidrosmarshall_: seems things changed from edgy to feisty because of proprietary codecs02:29
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phaidrosehe, such I not heared before, lol02:30
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marshall_thanks phaidros02:30
phaidrosand thats not happening here02:30
feistymanHey, does anyone know what we use to defrag the hardrive?02:30
ClaytonI'm having issues with sound, anyone care to help?02:30
phaidrosfeistyman: defrag?02:31
phaidrostune2fs maybe02:31
xtknightfeistyman, what filesystem?02:31
feistymanPhaidros, yes, Like they do in Windows.02:31
phaidrosok chaps, gtg and find a good ruby ide, any hints?02:31
xtknightxfs_fsr for XFS.  ext3 does not have a defrag tool, sadly.  make sure the file is fragmented.  type "sudo filefrag -v file" to get a list of extents (fragments)02:31
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Claytonruby ide?02:31
Claytonwhy would you spoil ruby with an IDE?02:31
phaidrosClayton: because I'm learning :D02:32
Claytondon't use an IDE then ;)02:32
xtknightto defrag a file you're going to have to move it from one HD to another, and back02:32
Claytonjust use gedit and the terminal :P02:32
Claytonanyways, I'm having sound issues, and I have no idea what the hells going on02:32
phaidrosI'd like to have code-completion :/02:32
Claytoncomplete it yourself ;)02:33
feistymanSo, I'm not sure. Do we have to worry about defragging anymore?02:33
phaidrosso then I gotta go through some more pragmatic chapters ;)02:34
xtknightfeistyman, not really02:34
xtknightfeistyman, some isolated cases, yes.  like huge flies02:34
feistymanok, thanks02:34
MrFeetioomg hude flies02:34
xtknightwatch out for em02:34
phaidroshude hude02:34
Claytonhow huge?02:34
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moparisthebest/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off02:35
moparisthebestanyone know how to fix that error?02:35
xtknightprolly a gig or bigger..tend to have fragments.  VMs at 16 gigs have lots of fragments with ext302:35
Claytonso does anyone want to bother helping with my sound issues, or are they just going to leave me hanging?02:35
moparisthebestI just get it with the latest kernel feisty uses02:35
MrFeetioI say any fly bigger then your fist is something to be afraid of02:35
moparisthebestif I use the older kernel from 6.10 it works fine02:35
MrFeetioclayton: any details?02:36
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ClaytonI get extremely faint to no sound at all even though volume is maxed02:36
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DanaGremove snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe -r snd-emu10k1-synth && { /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1 ; }02:36
xtknightClayton, define 'volume'02:36
phaidrosafter hibernation?02:36
xtknightmaster, pcm... Front ?02:36
DanaGThat is creating an infinite loop for me.02:36
DanaGIt shouldn't be, but it is...02:36
Claytonno no, during regular usage02:36
MrFeetiodid you check all the volume choices, or just master volume02:36
Claytonall of them02:36
ClaytonI'm not an idiot...02:36
MrFeetioplus some programs have built in volume02:36
xtknightthen why isn't your sound working?02:36
MrFeetiowell I am02:37
MrFeetioI can't really help02:37
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phaidrosClayton: check alsamixer, check with mplayer -ao alsa, check if speaker/ cables are correct (in case)02:37
Claytonxtknight, I don't know02:37
Claytonphaidros, I already checked alsamixer, and I'm on a laptop, so no cables02:38
DanaGHeck, even with this:02:38
DanaGremove snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1-synth02:38
DanaGit infinite-loops/02:38
DanaGIt's not obeying the "--ignore-remove" parameter.02:38
neptunepinkkdm goes all suicidal when I try to log in, can someone please tell me how to make it not die?02:39
MrFeetioazureus keeps spitting out "aborted (core dumped)"02:39
DanaGOdd, it works when I ctrl-c it.02:40
Claytongod damn this sound issue is frustrating :S02:40
tgm4883clayton, dual boot?02:40
tgm4883what laptop02:41
ClaytonI've got 7.04 installed, volume is maxed, and I only get a very faint if any sound02:41
phaidrosClayton: eg. I have sound problems after hibernation with thinkpad. have to shutdown (complete power off, sometimes incl. battery remove) and after new boot works again02:41
phaidrosClayton: there is sound?02:41
Claytonalthough it's extremely faint02:42
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Claytonhold on, I'll shutdown, and take off the battery and see if that helps02:42
phaidrosClayton: feisty eg. comes with pulseaudio (replacement of esd), so please check mplayer -ao alsa file.mp302:42
trevborkhey how much different is the april 19th release going to be from the beta they have out now?02:42
phaidrostrevbork: 9 days difference including all updates :)02:43
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phaidrostrevbork: no new features just bugfixes02:43
trevborkok, so no need to re burn the entire thing or anything?02:44
trevborkjust update02:44
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DanaGI don't get why this is infinite-looping.02:47
DanaGI have --ignore-remove02:47
DanaGbut it's not obeying.02:47
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DanaGaah, a solution for my thing:02:49
DanaGremove snd-emu10k1 if lsmod | grep -q snd_emu10k1_synth; then modprobe -r snd-emu10k1-synth; fi; modprobe -i -r snd-emu10k102:49
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phaidroscongrats DanaG !02:50
amani've installed beryl on my computer but when i try to start it i get the splash-screen and the it crashes02:50
calamarianyone been able to get the nvidia-glx package driver to work?02:51
amancan anyone help me02:51
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DanaGThat issue was to be able to modprobe -r snd-emu10k1 without it choking on the -synth being loaded.02:52
DanaGTHIS thing is to make it load a soundfont:02:52
DanaGinstall snd-emu10k1-synth /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1-synth $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /usr/bin/sfxload ct2mgm.sf2 ; }02:52
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DanaGyou have to have sfxload installed, and that sf2 file in /usr/share/sounds/sf202:52
DanaGOh, is there a way to make .asoundrc do02:53
DanaGI want plug:surround51 to route to :1 if it is present, else go to :0.02:54
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rockzmancan you support me02:55
rockzmancan anyone help me out?02:56
Claytonphairdros, here's the thing, headphones work fine, but the actual speakers don't02:56
phaidrosClayton: phew, sounds hardware problem .. or maybe look in alsamixer for the headphones switch02:58
phaidrosrockzman: wazzup?02:58
rockzmanphaidros i got the binary02:58
rockzmanfrom mysql.com02:58
ClaytonI'm wondering if maybe it's a driver issue or something for a connection, because these speakers were working fine before I installed Feisty earlier tonight, and I was having no problems with 6.1002:59
phaidrosrockzman: which binary?02:59
phaidrosrockzman: I cannot support you on installing non-repo stuff, sry.02:59
DanaGHmm, it wants s24_3le02:59
phaidrosDanaG: ?03:00
Claytonanyone have any experience with eclipse?03:00
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phaidrosClayton: checked the mixer switch?03:02
DanaGOr "at" c r i m s u n, but I don't need to ping {him, her} (I haven't paid attention to _which of the two_ fits).03:02
Claytonphaidros, yep03:03
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DanaGWhat's yer sound card?03:03
rockzmanphaidros http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14803/03:03
rockzmanhow do i fix that03:04
phaidrosrockzman: does /usr/local/mysql/data/ exist and has mysql sufficiant permission to write there?03:04
rockzmanphaidros how do i set this permission03:04
phaidrosrockzman: man chmod03:05
fowlduckanyone know the release date off-hand?03:05
Claytonphaidros, found it :D03:05
fowlduckthis month, right?03:05
phaidrosClayton: what was it?03:05
phaidrosrockzman: plus man chown03:05
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phaidrosrockzman: if you are paid for setting up a server you should better know what permission are and how to fix them to your needs :/03:06
Claytonphaidros, surround sound option :S03:06
phaidrosClayton: hehe, in the mixer?? didn't see that one yet03:06
Claytonand it isn't controllable by my laptop's built-in sound control (the buttons)03:06
rockzmanphaidros ubuntu servers are crap /:03:06
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Claytonphaidros, yeah, it's a hidden one that I had to open up, go figure03:06
tgm4883my server's fine03:07
tgm4883seems like a pebcak error03:07
mzuverinkCan I safely edit out kde apps from gnome and gnome apps from kde w/o causing harm?03:07
Claytoneither way phaidros, thanks for the attempt at help03:07
phaidrosrockzman: well, if you put third arty software into an repository oriented system you should have to know what you do03:07
phaidrosmzuverink: edit out?03:07
DanaGOh, you can set which sliders the volume control in Gnome sets.03:07
DanaGIn fact, you can select MULTIPLE sliders, and it'll keep them matching.03:07
phaidrosClayton: glad it helped :) ehe, sometimes its just good to talk about03:07
phaidrosDanaG: nice eh?03:08
phaidrostgm4883: ACK03:08
ClaytonI probably would've found it eventually, just probably not as fast, thanks again :D03:08
mzuverinkwith (ala carte, old name) anf krnuedit03:08
phaidrosClayton: I don't have that surround thing in alsamixer .. *wondering03:09
mzuverinkphaidros, from each others menues03:09
Claytonphaidros, no?03:09
Claytongo to Edit -> Preferences03:09
Claytonfind the checkbox with it03:09
Clayton*should* be there03:09
Claytonit should be called "Surround"03:10
mzuverinkphaidros, i just want gnome apps in gnome and kde in kde menues03:10
phaidrosClayton: must be a soundcard feature then eh?03:11
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phaidrosmzuverink: dunno about that, but as its only menus shouldn;t be a problem03:11
ClaytonI guess03:11
ClaytonI'm not sure what to say to that03:11
mzuverinkkk, thanks03:12
effacei am having an issue where if i reboot my comp, when it loads X, it fails, so i have to modprobe nvidia and then load X for it to work03:12
ClaytonI mean, it's only a two speaker setup, albeit it's stereo, but what two speaker setup isn't?03:12
effacei believe its trying to load an older nvidia module03:12
phaidrosClayton: hm, laptop with surround soundcard and no buttons for that .. what brand might that be ?03:12
effacehow do i solve this03:12
Claytonphaidros, there's buttons for it... they just change "Front" sound03:12
DanaGThat's the only one thing that's ever made me wish I had a Dell.03:12
Claytonit's not a Dell :P03:13
phaidrosefface: put nvidia into /etc/modules03:13
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DanaGOr Asus.03:13
phaidrosthen its acer!03:13
DanaGMy laptop has onboard (but damn good for onboard) 2-channel STAC9250.03:13
phaidrosor sony03:13
Claytonnone of the above03:13
Claytonbut keep guessing, 'tis a good game :P03:13
phaidroshmmm, no thnkpad imho03:13
Claytonnope, not a thinkpad, although it'd be nice to have one to kick around :P03:13
phaidrosso HP or samsung are left03:13
DanaGThen I wouldn't have had to get my Cardbus Audigy.03:14
phaidrosClayton: yeah thinkpad is fun03:14
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Claytonstill haven't got it phaidros03:14
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phaidrosDanaG: I'm not convinced to pulseaudio ..03:14
phaidroshad some issues03:14
phaidrosand how does it like jack?03:14
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DanaGAnnoying flash with sound, that's gotten past Adblock Plus?  Hit mute -- I have it set to mute only the onboard.03:15
phaidrosClayton: hehe, sry dunno and I should better get learn some, lol03:15
DanaGMy music and videos go to offboard.03:15
Claytonphaidros, it's an MDG Visionbook :P03:15
phaidrosDanaG: do you use jack sometimes?03:15
phaidrosClayton: lol, never heared of MDG :)03:15
DanaGs/used/ever used/03:15
Clayton'tis actually quite a decent little machine :D03:15
Claytonphaidros, it's Canadian03:15
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Claytonrunning Beryl on it and it's not even warm :)03:16
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phaidrosDanaG: hm, jack is nice though and it bites with pulseaudio somehow :/03:17
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ajmorris_is frostwire no longer in ubuntu's standard repos?03:18
phaidrosajmorris_: whatis frostwire?03:18
ajmorris_a port of limewire for linux03:18
neptunepinkI'm sure SOMEONE out their knows what's wrong with my poor, sick kdm, and can help it....03:18
ajmorris_neptunepink, what happens with your kdm?03:18
phaidrosneptunepink: me not, I'm on gdm :/03:18
ajmorris_anyone know any repos for frostwire or a similar application?03:19
neptunepinkajmorris_: it crashes and shows the startup-thing when I try to login03:19
ajmorris_sorry what startup-thing are you talking about?03:20
ajmorris_there are lots03:20
phaidrosany ideas why jack doesntt start in realtime mode anymore?03:20
neptunepinkthe one with the pretty blue progress bar03:20
ajmorris_upslash kk03:20
neptunepinkand it does that for every session type03:21
ajmorris_have you tried installing GDM and then running KDE through that03:21
neptunepinkno, but I guess that would work...03:21
ajmorris_although if they havn't fixed the bug yet if you run KDE with GDM you won't get all the shutdown buttons03:21
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ajmorris_but they may have fixed it03:22
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ajmorris_neptunepink, do you know how to install GDM without logging in?03:22
neptunepinkyeah, I can get k up with a bunch of cryptic commands and dark rituals...03:22
neptunepinkthough I generally don't allow any gnomes to play around my laptop. >:(03:23
neptunepinkwhat about xdm?03:24
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ajmorris_yeah you could use that too03:26
neptunepinkhow can I get the package configuration thing back?03:26
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moparisthebest/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off03:26
moparisthebestanyone know how to fix that error?03:26
amancan anyone help me? I try to install beryl on ubuntu, but I cant get it to work.. I need to edit a file but i cant get access03:26
moparisthebestI just get it with the latest kernel feisty uses03:26
moparisthebestif I use the older kernel from 6.10 it works fine03:26
ajmorris_neptunepink, can you login to a terminal? if not restart and choose the recovery session kernel03:27
ajmorris_then when in the terminal type: sudo apt-get install gdm/xdm (whichever one your installing)03:27
neptunepinkajmorris_: I already installed xdm :b03:27
ajmorris_so what package configuration thing do you want back?03:28
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neptunepinkthe one I just got when installing xdm, it gives a choice about which ?dm to use03:30
ajmorris_did you choose xdm? because that is just part of the installation. You can change which one you are using through the config file03:30
ajmorris_i don't remember where the config file is but i am finding it :)03:31
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bur[n] erneptunepink: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm03:32
rubixhey i just updated to fiesty and now my graphics card drivers aren't being loaded, i use nvidia-glx package and i'm pretty sure its because the module loaded isn't synced with my driver version or backwards03:33
rubixyea, i will try to reconfigure x real fast (even though that wasn't for me)03:33
neptunepinkbur[n] er: I did xdm, and it worked, thanks ajmorris_03:34
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ajmorris_neptunepink, bur[n] er's way works aswell but also if that ever fails for some unnknow reason. you can edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager03:34
rubixit says "fatal server error, no screens found"03:35
effacedmraid shows the two disks with my stripe raid....but when i run dmraid -ay -v i check in /dev/mapper and they raid isnt listed there, any ideas?03:37
rubixseems i have 2 sets of nvidia drivers installed03:38
rubixi have nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy installed, think that is the conflict?03:39
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snowskater<Pelo> snowskater,  ask in #ubuntu+103:39
snowskaterHi i was wondering if you can install Flash on ubuntu feisty?03:40
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rubixwhat is the latest kernel version03:42
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snowskater64 bit03:43
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AshbringerHello, I am unable to see text terminals, play games in cedega or resize my screen res in the "nvidia X server settings" app. I believe that this is the result of a broken xrandr, and when I type xrandr, I get a segfault. I am running Feisty on an AMD64. Does anyone else have this problem or know how I could fix it?03:44
neptunepinkyay, xdm works, it's butt-ugly, shows the wrong logo, and doesn't have a menu for failsafe that I can see, but I am pleased.03:44
xtknightAshbringer, have you tried reinstalling xrandr?03:44
Ashbringerxtknight: no, I havne't, though I haven't tried to hard, past that. I'll find the package and try that.03:45
Ashbringerxtknight: just couldn't bring yourself to help a feisty user in #ubuntu, could you? ;)03:46
xtknightagainst my religion03:46
xtknightAshbringer, sudo dpkg --purge xrandr && sudo apt-get install xrandr03:46
AshbringerAlso, on launchpad, there are a lot of other people with the same problem03:46
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xtknightehh well i'll help you help them fix it03:46
xtknightif that makes any sense03:46
misfit_toyI want a pony! ;)03:47
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misfit_toyouch, sheesh, at least it was a small one03:47
Ashbringerhm, apparently I can't do that because its a dependancy of xbase-clients.03:47
xtknightAshbringer, sudo dpkg --force-all --purge xrandr && sudo apt-get install xrandr03:47
xtknightwont matter ^03:48
xtknightit wont uninstall the deps03:48
xtknighttyping `xrandr` segfaults?03:49
misfit_toydoes anyone know if the release on the 12th will include the "new" nvidia-legacy drivers? I'm in no hurry but... grrr... heheh03:49
xtknightlegacy as in 7xxx?03:50
Ashbringerxtknight: it segfaults03:50
Ashbringerand after reinstallation...03:50
xtknightAshbringer, type "ltrace xrandr"03:50
Ashbringerit still segfaults03:50
xtknightltrace will help you tell where though03:50
misfit_toyxtknight, as in whatever they will be update to, I have heard they might be 8xxx03:50
Ashbringeronly 4 lines03:50
xtknightmisfit_toy, oh i have no idea03:50
Ashbringer__libc_start_main(0x401000, 1, 0x7fffa1473bb8, 0x401e10, 0x401e00 <unfinished ...>03:50
AshbringerXOpenDisplay(NULL)                                                                               = 0x50301003:50
AshbringerXRRGetScreenInfo(0x503010, 342, 0, 1, 0xfefefefefefefeff <unfinished ...>03:50
Ashbringer--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---03:50
Ashbringer+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++03:50
xtknightAshbringer, are you running beryl or any xgl/compiz you know what i mean?03:51
Ashbringerno, I'm on metacity03:51
xtknightwhat video driver are you running?03:51
AshbringerI'm using the nvidia binary driver version 975503:51
xtknightpost your xorg.conf if you would03:51
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bur[n] erjust use nv or get nvidia-glx-legacy now03:51
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=== misfit_toy recommends just using nv when trying to figure out nvidia stuff, it prevents a *lot* of grief.
xtknightexcept when nv crashes all new nvidia cards03:52
misfit_toylol, wow, hasn't happened to me!03:52
xtknighthardly any 6xxx/7xxx work with it03:52
Ashbringeryeah, nv doesn't really do much for me03:53
Ashbringerand it hasn't caught up to 975503:53
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misfit_toy32mb, woohoo03:53
AshbringerI play WoW.03:53
xtknightAshbringer, feisty / nvidia 9755 / i386 here03:53
misfit_toybut this runs beryl just ine03:53
xtknightim not having xrandr problems03:53
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xtknightxinerama..wonder if that's it03:54
Ashbringeryeah, I don't have that either03:54
Ashbringerever since ... I think about a month ago, I havne't been able to see tty1-603:54
Ashbringerand dualscreening has been a bitch03:54
xtknightheh that hapepns to me sometimes too hmm03:54
xtknightonly on the livecd once tho03:54
xtknightAshbringer, try taking the xinerama out of your config and try xrandr ??03:54
Ashbringeralright, hold up03:55
roy_my mouse scroll wheel is not working can someone help me03:55
Ashbringerset the flag to 0, right?03:55
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BetaI need help getting DVD play back to work.03:55
xtknightAshbringer, i would just try removing the whole block so it equals my config03:55
Ashbringerthe server flags block?03:56
Ashbringerokay, its gone03:56
xtknightctrl alt bkspc etc03:56
Beta....DVD playback?03:56
Ashbringersee you in a bit03:56
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs03:56
AshbringerBeta: be more specific03:56
BetaDid that already. It won't play back.03:56
BetaAt all.03:57
BetaSays the stream is unformated.03:57
effacehaving some issues with dmraid, i run dmraid -ay -v, go to the folder /dev/mapper and nothing listed there like there should be, if i run dmraid -r, it lists the two drives i use for my strip raid03:57
neptunepinkwhoa, launchpad turned green....03:57
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Ashbringerstill segfaults03:59
xtknightAshbringer, type "sudo xrandr"  same thing?03:59
Ashbringeroh wiat03:59
Ashbringerit doens't, my bad03:59
Ashbringereverything is fine03:59
BetaDo I need the css2 to play DVDs?04:00
AshbringerBeta: probably, and its good to have04:00
Ashbringerholyf*ck it works04:00
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spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?04:00
xtknightseems to be a problem in xinerama (Xserver extension).  `ltrace xrandr` again and compare the first few lines04:00
roy_can anyone help me my mouse scroll wheel not working04:01
xtknightand see if the people on launchpad also have Xinerama enabled04:01
Ashbringerlooks the same, it just starts04:01
AshbringerI'm going to go do that04:01
xtknightthe same?04:01
xtknightya i need to look at specifics tho04:01
AshbringerI think I may have lost the broken trace...04:01
xtknighti got it04:01
xtknightsaw where it failed04:01
xtknighti need the 5 lines of your working one (pastebin or here i guess004:02
xtknightfirst 5*04:02
spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?04:02
xtknightAshbringer, i am going to try and enable xinerama and see if i have the same problems, also04:02
xtknightabout the trace... ?04:04
Ashbringeroh, I'm sorry04:04
roy_Section "InputDevice"04:04
roy_    Identifier     "Configured Mouse"04:04
roy_    Driver         "mouse"04:04
roy_    Option         "CorePointer"04:04
roy_    Option         "Device" "/dev/input/mice"04:04
roy_    Option         "Protocol" "IMPS/2"04:04
roy_    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"04:04
BetaHow do I get libdvdcss2?04:04
roy_    Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "true"04:04
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Ashbringerltrace xrandr04:05
Ashbringer__libc_start_main(0x401000, 1, 0x7fff52c7e018, 0x401e10, 0x401e00 <unfinished ...>04:05
AshbringerXOpenDisplay(NULL)                                                                               = 0x50301004:05
AshbringerXRRGetScreenInfo(0x503010, 342, 0, 1, 0xfefefefefefefeff)                                        = 0x50810004:05
AshbringerXRRConfigCurrentConfiguration(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de2e, 0, -1, 1)                                = 004:05
AshbringerXRRConfigSizes(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de28, 0, -1, 1)                                               = 0x50814804:05
AshbringerXRRConfigCurrentRate(0x508100, 0x7fff52c7de28, 0, -1, 1)                                         = 5004:05
Ashbringerputs(" SZ:    Pixels          Physical"... SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh04:05
BetaPastebin people!04:05
BetaITs ok.04:05
Ashbringerso, at least one of the other people on launchpad has xinerama enabled04:05
xtknightAshbringer, last trace crashes within XRRGetScreenInfo()04:06
xtknightk let me try and reproduce04:07
bur[n] erAshbringer: by chance did your tty's come back with kernel -14?04:07
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Ashbringerno, actually, they're still gone. I switched out of my custom-compiled kernel, too.04:07
BetaWhat is a demuxer04:08
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xtknightBeta, a filter in a media player chain that demultiplexes (splits) a source into video and audio streams04:08
Ashbringerxtknight: is this another "feature" of bullet-proof x?04:09
BetaWhat do I need for gxine to work then?04:09
xtknightAshbringer, hrm, the segfault a feature ?04:09
PumpernickelWhat do I have to do to get a microphone to work with an ICH5 chipset?  I've only managed to 'record' silence, so far.04:09
xtknightBeta, ii dont know :P04:09
Beta.....Thanks anyways.04:09
xtknightcould help but im a bit busy right now04:10
Ashbringerxtknight: hm, now that I think about it, no, but it keeps letting my X run without anything, and I have to find weird ways of crashing it to update my drivers04:10
AshbringerPumpernickel: what chipset exactly?04:10
Beta....Any other ideas?04:10
PumpernickelAshbringer: It's an Intel ICH5.04:10
PumpernickelMultimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)04:10
Ashbringerwhat do you see in alsamixer?04:11
PumpernickelA lot... you want the entire list?04:11
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Ashbringerit shouldn't be a list.04:11
xtknight Ashbringer  it segfaulted04:11
PumpernickelIt isn't.04:11
xtknight$ xrandr04:11
xtknightSegmentation fault (core dumped)04:11
Ashbringerwoot, so we know what that is then, do we?04:12
PumpernickelIt's a bunch of sliders.04:12
xtknightmulti architecture too04:12
Ashbringerxtknight: just great04:12
xtknighti'm going to try and debug this.  feisty guys have a ton of bugs and they need help04:12
AshbringerPumpernickel: yes, describe what the ones under capture look like04:12
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AshbringerPumpernickel: found your problem?04:14
PumpernickelAshbringer: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1893/alsamixerva9.png04:15
xtknightAshbringer, is your second screen up and working?  mine isn't atm04:15
Ashbringerxtknight: I don't have it on right now, I only use that at school, sorry04:16
xtknightAshbringer, i have a multi-input lcd here and only one input is showing.  i wondered if that was the problem, maybe both ned to be showing.04:16
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neonlinuxhey all.. in a spot of trouble.. anyone know of a gui wifi manager?04:16
Ashbringerneonlinux: sudo apt-get install kwifimanager04:16
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magic_ninjahello, i just updated to feisty and now my graphics card drivers aren't loading04:16
magic_ninjaanyone got suggestions04:16
xtknightThe XRandR X extension was not found.  This extension must be supported by the X server and enabled for display configuration settings to be dynamically applicable.04:16
Ashbringerdid you just get that?04:17
neonlinuxAshbringer: tried that.. it says my card is disabled...04:17
HobbseeAshbringer: kwifimanager sucks.04:17
neonlinuxand then it turns it off and wont turn back on04:17
xtknightAshbringer, it happens in nvidia-settings when trying to enable the second display and pressing Apply04:17
magic_ninjahow can i list my installed packages using the string "nvidia" as a filter04:17
neonlinuxxtknight: using kde so i havent tried that one04:17
fowlduckmagic_ninja: you should tell us the hardware you are using04:17
xtknightAshbringer, xrandr is probably crashing because the function that returns a handle to the Xrandr extension is returning a NULL, and then the next function tries to operate on a NULL and segfaults since memory address 0 is inaccessible in userland..04:17
neonlinuxxtknight: would it be sudo apt-get install network-manager?04:18
xtknightin other words it doesn't handle errors properly.  but the root of the problem seems to be that Xinerama and Xrandr don't work together04:18
xtknightneonlinux, yes or kwifi..04:18
Ashbringermagic_ninja: search in synaptic on the installed packages tab04:18
Ashbringerxtknight: well, we know the problem at least04:18
magic_ninjafowlduck its just an nvidia card04:18
neonlinuxok thanks.. ill try that now :)04:18
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fowlduckmagic_ninja: specific questions get specific answers.  Ashbringer's response is what you should expect with general questions.04:19
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alindemanI upgraded to 7.04 .. maybe not the best idea, but hopefully this is a simple enough problem .. my resolution/screen size is pretty screwed up .. the screen doesn't stretch all the way to the right and "wraps around" the bottom.  Picture: http://pics.adml.info/v/spring07thirteenthweekmsu/DSCF1765.JPG.html04:20
fowlduckmagic_ninja: if it's really old nvidia it may have need specific legacy kernel drivers04:20
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Ashbringerxtknight: why does it return a null?04:20
fowlduckmagic_ninja: and googling your model of car with ubuntu feisty may turn up issues, tips, and tricks04:20
Apollo101iam using kubuntu. i just restored a backuped image of hdb2. at boot it says 'failed to open journal device. unknow block 0.0. ext3 journal in .... something.  and its not mounting.   what can i do? (i think the backup i made didnt supported linux partitions04:20
xtknightAshbringer, the handle to Xrandr is invalid because the extension could not be loaded04:20
magic_ninjafowlduck, yea thats nice and all but i don't have any x bro04:21
xtknightall thru-out my logs it says Randr enabled, though04:21
fowlduckmagic_ninja: lspci04:21
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Ashbringerxtknight: well, it seems to be, we just can't do anything with it04:21
magic_ninjafowlduck and its also easier to ask in here real fast before googling in text mode04:21
fowlduckmagic_ninja: if you can't use lspci then sudo apt-get install pciutils04:21
magic_ninjawell the driver is installed fowlduck04:22
magic_ninjafowlduck rev a3 it says04:22
xtknightxrandr.c  ln 209, invalid pointer returned here:       sc = XRRGetScreenInfo (dpy, root);04:22
fowlduckmagic_ninja: if you need to temporarily reconfigure x to use generic drivers so you can locate a solution, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:22
magic_ninjafowlduck i believe the poper kernel mod for 15-generic isn't installed04:22
Apollo101any one?04:22
fowlduckmagic_ninja: can you give me the model of your card and I'll google it for you?04:23
magic_ninjaok working on it04:23
Apollo101can any one see me04:23
xtknightactually not quite an invalid pointer, it fails within the function04:24
fowlduckApollo101: I can see you04:24
PumpernickelAshbringer: Still with me?04:24
magic_ninjafowlduck well noting04:25
Apollo101fowlduck how do i look ? :)04:25
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Apollo101well no one can help me. i gues04:25
fowlduckmagic_ninja: nothing?04:26
xtknightAshbringer, the bug is in libxrandr2 i believe04:26
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Apollo101 how can i repair a kubuntu installation. with live cd?04:27
fowlduckmagic_ninja: hmm, it seems that there are massive nvidia driver issues in feisty04:28
AshbringerPumpernickel: sorry, I was distracted. Say again?04:28
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fowlduckI'm looking at a bug report for linux-restricted-modules-2.6.2004:29
Ashbringerxtknight: woot, I'll get the source of that04:29
Tom47_i upgraded to feisty and added the medibuntu repos ..... is that all thats needed o get the multimedia wizards working?04:29
magic_ninjai believe that i am missing the restricted modules for my kernel version04:29
fowlduckmagic_ninja: sudo apt-cache search linux-restricted04:29
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PumpernickelAshbringer: Mic problem, ICH5 chipset, you wanted alsamixer capture settings, which I took a screenshot of. http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1893/alsamixerva9.png04:30
fowlduckmagic_ninja: use `uname -a` to find your kernel version and install the appropriate restricted modules04:31
magic_ninjafowlduck i'm d/ling what i need bro04:31
AshbringerPumpernickel: oh, yes. the IEC958 is a switch, correct?04:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wizards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:31
fowlduckmagic_ninja: cool04:31
fowlduckmagic_ninja: sorry i'm such an ass04:31
PumpernickelAshbringer: Yes.04:31
xtknightAshbringer, do you know C/C++?04:31
AshbringerPumpernickel: have you tried turning it on? Also, which mic is selected in sound recorder04:31
Ashbringerxtknight: yes04:32
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xtknightthis is my first time debugging a lib but ill see what i can do04:32
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Tom47_are codecs discussed here?  if not, where are they discussed please???04:32
fowlduckmagic_ninja: if you have an email address I can email you the bug so you can look at it.  It appears that nvidia drivers are pretty well screwed as of 4/7/0704:32
xtknighti think i can print to somewhere to help debug it and print out variables/pointers etc04:32
xtknightklog (dmesg) maybe04:32
xtknightbut libs dont really have stdout so it's gonna be hard04:32
Ashbringerxtknight: to tell you the truth, more c++, but I think I could look at this04:32
fowlduckmagic_ninja: not all, but much of them are messed up by the fact there are three trees04:32
xtknightor ill have to make something really cheese04:32
magic_ninjafowlduck na u told me just wat i was looking for from the start04:32
Ashbringerxtknight: yeah, I would suggest that.04:32
fowlduckmagic_ninja: ?04:32
xtknightmore C here04:32
xtknightgood combo i guess04:33
magic_ninjafowlduck cept i used 'uname -r'04:33
fowlduckmagic_ninja: yeah, uname -a just gives you everything04:33
Ashbringerxtknight: yeah, that seems to be more helpful in *nix system programming. I'm trying to switch.04:33
fowlduckmagic_ninja: again, sorry i'm such an ass, good luck with that04:33
xtknightAshbringer,  apt-get source libxrandr204:33
xtknightif you weren't aware04:33
Ashbringerxtknight: already did04:33
Ashbringerxtknight: what function was it in again?04:33
xtknight./src/XrrConfig.c "XRRScreenConfiguration *XRRGetScreenInfo (Display *dpy, Window window)"  (line 345)04:34
xtknightcrashes within that04:34
xtknightbefore the function is finished, an invalid part of memory is accessed04:34
fowlduckbah, i managed to alienate someone while bending over backwards helping them04:34
xtknightprolly bad pointer within it04:34
fowlduckthat takes some skill04:35
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rubixfowlduck didn't work04:37
PumpernickelAshbringer: Enabling it made vumeter hang on startup, and made sound recorder act extremely oddly as well.04:37
rubixdarn, this isn't workin at all04:38
AshbringerPumpernickel: well, we're on to something then.04:38
fowlduckrubix: what?04:38
fowlduckrubix: oh, you're magic_ninja?04:38
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rubixwhats xen-restricted-modules04:39
Ashbringerxtknight: this is a library, and just that, right? What gets passed to dpy?04:39
xtknightAshbringer, dots per inch i think04:39
fowlduckrubix: it's modules for doing xen virtualization04:39
xtknightoh no...Display04:39
fowlduckrubix: not what you need04:39
xtknightAshbringer, yea i think so04:39
fowlduckrubix: at least, not immediately04:39
xtknightAshbringer, it should just be a library04:39
Ashbringerxtknight: yeah, where is this called, in xrandr?04:39
xtknightAshbringer, XRRGetScreenInfo() it's in int main04:39
xtknightgot my horribly cheesy debug mechanism working04:40
alindemanHaha, dang it, I'm back: any idea why my right mouse button isn't registering in X anymore?  I've tried with both 3 button emulation on and off .. just upgraded to Fiesty ...04:40
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Ashbringerxtknight: oh, woot.04:41
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xtknightwrites to /home/andy/XrrDebug in the middle of the library04:41
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Ashbringerxtknight: getting anything?04:41
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magic_ninjafowlduck it says "no device found" on the xserver error output04:42
fowlduckmagic_ninja: erg04:42
fowlduckmagic_ninja: did you check out lspci?04:42
Tom47_?me wonders if this is a forbidden subject and if so will stop being a nuisance if someone will just tell me04:42
fowlduckmagic_ninja: and it didn't find it either?04:42
xtknightAshbringer, it's crashing in here now "config = _XRRGetScreenInfo(dpy, info, window);"  in <_XRRGetScreenInfo()>.  line ~359 libxrandr-1.2.0/src/XrrConfig.c04:42
Ashbringerline 359?04:43
Ashbringerthat's whitespace for me...04:43
xtknightprolly a bit below or above, ive added debug code04:43
Ashbringeryeah, okay04:43
fowlduckmagic_ninja: could you try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` and configure it using the generic vesa driver.  Give that a shot and see if at least that much will work.04:43
Ashbringerwhat's on the line for you?04:43
xtknight"config = _XRRGetScreenInfo.."04:44
fowlduckmagic_ninja: or just use vga if you'd like04:44
fowlduckmagic_ninja: but that will tell us if it's working at all04:44
Ashbringerso that's where it gets NULL then?04:44
fowlduckmagic_ninja: wait, that made no sense04:44
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xtknightwell it is crashing within _XRRGetScreenInfo04:44
fowlduckmagic_ninja: of course it's working04:44
xtknightnot sure yet04:44
fowlduckmagic_ninja: disregard my nonsense04:44
Ashbringeralright then04:44
magic_ninjaback sorry04:44
netrathello this may be a dumb question, but if I upgrade 6.10 to 7.04Beta what will I have to do when 7.04 is released as stable?04:46
Ashbringeris that function returning NULL?04:46
xtknighthmm it's not finishing04:46
xtknightcrashes before it returns04:46
fowlduckmagic_ninja: does lspci find the device or not?04:46
xtknightso i'm goig inside it04:46
misfit_toynetrat, just regular updates04:46
magic_ninjaxtknight do you get 3 screen flickers with your crash?04:46
xtknightmagic_ninja, what crash >?04:46
magic_ninjafowlduck yes it returns it just fine04:46
netratmisfit_toy: thanks! just what i wanted to hear04:47
magic_ninjaxtknight you having x problems on startup too?04:47
xtknightmagic_ninja, naw debugging something else04:47
misfit_toynetrat, it will update your repos so you will always be current.04:47
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magic_ninjafowlduck lspci finds the device fine...let me get some of the debugging output04:48
magic_ninjafowlduck mind if i just send u the debugging output04:48
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fowlduckmagic_ninja: actually, sure, if you can just get me the line that lists the nvidia card on lspci, that would be fantastic04:49
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Ashbringeralright xt, I have to go now, I don't think I was being much help anyways04:50
Ashbringergood luck04:50
fowlduckmagic_ninja: I'm looking at a list of cards that were recently dropped in the newest nvidia drivers in ubuntu, and are only supported in the legacy drivers, and in a crappy way04:50
Dana1Dang, PulseAudio doesn't seem to allow 24 or 32-bit.04:50
xtknightAshbringer, hrmm can u report me to the link on launchpad of that bug?04:50
magic_ninjaits a geforce3 ti20004:50
fowlduckmagic_ninja: that is no longer supported by the newest nvidia driver in ubuntu04:51
ubotuMalone bug 104978 in xrandr "[apport]  xrandr crashed with SIGSEGV in XRRGetScreenInfo()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 04:51
Ashbringergood luck, mate04:51
fowlduckmagic_ninja: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html04:51
fowlduckmagic_ninja: or not, no gui :/04:51
magic_ninjathe vesa drivers worked04:52
fowlduckmagic_ninja: they should, it's the nvidia drivers that are weird04:52
fowlduckmagic_ninja: do you have x right now?04:52
fowlduckmagic_ninja: because I have a few links for you to look at concerning this issue04:53
fowlduckmagic_ninja: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/9643004:53
magic_ninjaima keep bitchx up04:53
ubotuMalone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] 04:53
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magic_ninjaican i please get those links again04:53
magic_ninjaiits magic_ninja"i" now instead04:54
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/9643004:54
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fowlduckmagic_ninjai: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html04:54
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2371810&postcount=3304:54
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fowlduckmagic_ninjai: hope that helps04:55
magic_ninjaifowlduck: so my card is no longer supported04:56
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: actually, you can manually install the older drivers (not legacy) using the last link i sent you04:56
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: they're working on a fix for it04:57
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: I would expect a solution before the release date04:57
Dana1Oh, how do autoload-modules work in pulseaudio?04:58
magic_ninjaithats in a couple weeks right04:58
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: 10 days, the 19th of April04:58
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wizardhow do i go about reinstalling grub after i redo my windows partition from scratch?04:59
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: unfortunately, I must go, I'm procrastinating on a project that is past due04:59
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: good luck, and I hope you won't give up.  Ubuntu is really great.  I mean, look at all these volunteers donating their time to support.05:00
Admiral_Chicagoanyone know what command to use to launch the restricted packages manager05:01
magic_ninjaifowlduck: ty for your help, and i've been using linux for over 4 years, i'm not going anywhere05:01
magic_ninjaifowlduck: i don't even have windows on any computer i own05:01
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: nice :)05:02
fowlduckmagic_ninjai: and you're welcome05:02
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K`zanHad a weird experience here.  Was experimenting with various clocks and removing them if they weren't what I wanted.  One pass of that and adept started removing if not everything, a lot.  Hit reset but by that time KDE was gone and I had to re-install kde (got more than I had before from fresh install).  VERY strange.  Once adept gets going there is no way to stop it short of reset...05:05
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K`zanOn one pass at that...05:07
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hertzAnyone know if Fiesty ships with ecryptfs and ecryptfs-utils?05:10
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misfit_toyhertz, i was watching this channel last night and saw some issues with that but have no details, it didn't look good though.05:19
hertzIs this channel logged anywhere?05:20
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choudeshhey all05:21
tonyyarusso!logs | hertz05:22
ubotuhertz: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs05:22
Dana1wtfhell, gnome-vfs is broken for SSH for me.05:22
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choudeshubuntu+1 is silent tonight.05:27
misfit_toylets all sing05:28
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misfit_toymaybe the latest update broke all IRC except for us05:32
K`zanmisfit_toy: Possible, I know that USB stuff is getting worse...05:33
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misfit_toyK`zan, my wifi got busted 3 days ago but the fix was out later that day so I just went back to hardwired until it was fixed, no worries, this distro has rocked for the last year, I love it.05:34
DanaGHow do you get back the non-transparent volume thingy?05:34
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DanaGI don't like the transparent one.05:34
misfit_toyDanaG, you mean on the gnome-panel?05:34
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DanaGThe one that pops open when you hit a hotkey.05:34
K`zanmisfit_toy: Will be glad when Feisty gets as stable as edgy :-), but you are right, still good stuff.05:35
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misfit_toyDanaG, that goes with whatever theme you have picked, pick another theme.05:35
DanaGI'm using Ubuntu default.05:35
DanaG"Ubuntulooks" -- funky name.05:35
misfit_toyK`zan, yes, I miss my full nvidia effects with Edgy *dammit* lol05:35
DanaGfunky as in, that egg smells funky.05:35
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K`zanmisfit_toy: I'm just glad to have the low latency desktop and the nvidia drivers here, it really helps, the way it comes stock is really clunky...05:36
gooseanyone else have update-manager issues when upgrading?05:37
zak_i've downloaded the sun JRE and JDK, but when i type java, it uses gij... how do i start the real java?05:37
misfit_toyK`zan, agreed, I'm on a pretty old laptop but even with an ancient nvidia card I'm very happy, although going from 384RAM to 512 was a true turning point for performance...amazing what that little bit can do.05:37
DanaGWhat does lowlatency d?05:38
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misfit_toyzak_, dunno, I don't use java much, do you need gij?05:39
K`zanmisfit_toy: LOL, my old gateway (from the days when they could make something decent) PII/266 is maxed out on RAM (384M) but while it is a bit sluggish, it works OK.05:39
K`zanDanaG: It is a better pre-emptive multi-tasking for desktop use, makes things MUCH smoother.05:39
misfit_toyK`zan, that's exactly the feeling, just a tad sluggish, then wammo, going to 512 (maxed this one out) was like getting a new box, incredible.05:39
K`zanDanaG: Just why ubuntu ships the way it does preplexes me as I suspect that 90%+ of the installs are desktops...05:40
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FunnyLookinHatHas anyone here installed both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same machine?05:40
misfit_toythe *one* thing I wish someone would package up in ubuntu is a decent guified backup util, not sbackup, or hbum or whatever, but a real nice util for backing up stuff.05:40
choudeshFunnyLookinHat, what is your issue?05:40
K`zanmisfit_toy: :-) 384 is max for that thing, unfortunately :-(.  Also have to boot linux off a floppy because of the old (and not upgradable) BIOS limit :-(.05:41
choudeshmisfit_toy, backup for linux is in the grey area05:41
FunnyLookinHatchoudesh, none yet...  I was going to do it to do some final testing before feisty is released for bugs and whatnot...  wanted to know how easy it is to switch between the two (Gnome and KDE)05:41
choudeshmisfit_toy, amanda - really good. bacula - really good, too complex and the other kbackup and others are just crappy05:41
misfit_toychoudesh, yes, it has been since I've been using it, since the .9x kernel05:41
misfit_toychoudesh, amanda is overkill for a laptop05:42
misfit_toyas is bacula05:42
choudeshFunnyLookinHat, its good. just change your session within gdm, or kde's manager05:42
K`zanmisfit_toy: I just use K3B and do my backups manually :-/.05:42
FunnyLookinHatchoudesh, ok sweet.  I figured it was as easy as the session but was just curious  : )05:42
choudeshmisfit_toy, a sync proggie would be good for a laptop05:42
misfit_toyK`zan, I'm always afraid k3b or gnomebaker will miss things...05:42
choudeshmisfit_toy, unison is great05:43
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K`zanmisfit_toy: Worked for me so far :-).05:43
zak_misfit_toy: i don't use gij... will uninstalling it make java point to the real java?05:43
misfit_toychoudesh, just been using tar all this time....05:43
choudesh!ubuntuguide | zak_05:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:43
choudeshargh. they didn't add that to the fact bot.05:43
misfit_toyzak_, that's my guess but I'd let someone who uses java tell you that for sure.05:43
choudeshzak_, http://ubuntuguide.com search for java05:43
choudeshmisfit_toy, even a front end that just tars and gzips would be great for ubuntu05:44
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misfit_toychoudesh, exactly05:44
choudeshmisfit_toy, UBackup05:45
misfit_toyhaven't heard of that one...05:45
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choudeshmisfit_toy, it hasn't been devopled yet. :-D05:45
martalliWhich is proper for (k,e,x)buntu: apt-get or aptitude?05:45
K`zanchoudesh: I think there is an option in tar to break it in whatever sized chunk you need?!?05:45
choudeshK`zan, yea.05:46
misfit_toyI tried mondo something but it has burning issues05:46
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misfit_toyand it's interface is a little clunky but I had high hopes05:46
misfit_toymondo-archive I think05:46
misfit_toyor mondo-restore05:46
misfit_toysbackup is really a nice little util, but until it can just burn to dvd I'm not interested.05:47
misfit_toybut the interface is nice and simple.05:47
choudeshmisfit_toy, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-home-backup05:48
misfit_toychoudesh, that thing is horrible, I tried it too.05:48
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choudeshmisfit_toy, hmm...maybe we need to dev a new backup tool for ubuntu05:48
misfit_toychoudesh, it chokes on open files05:48
choudeshmisfit_toy, how to they choke on open files?05:49
misfit_toychoudesh, well, I'm not a programmer, I'm a sysadmin so I just wait...heheh05:49
misfit_toychoudesh, if it hits say your evolution folder, and you have evolution open, it just pauses into infinity.05:49
choudeshmisfit_toy, I wonder what they are doing.05:50
misfit_toyno idea05:50
choudeshmisfit_toy, basic kernel call copy does a shadow like operation05:50
misfit_toythat's what I would have thought.05:50
misfit_toyso for now it's just tar to a folder then burn manually for me05:50
DanaGWhat about faubackup?05:51
DanaGI've tried it, but I don't remember how well it worked.05:51
misfit_toythis laptop lives on the edge but it's my true prod laptop for ME here at home so I can't lose stuff!05:51
misfit_toyok, it's time for my nightly cigar then bed, y'all take care and someone develop a real, simple, true backup util for ubuntu, it would save a lot of headaches I'm sure, nice talking to you all!05:52
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choudeshnetwork restart06:00
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=== DanaG has not yet noticed anything better about the -lowlatency kernel.
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choudeshoi. moved my network over to ipv606:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about karma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:09
fowlduckchoudesh: ouch, why?  just cuz? ;)06:09
choudeshfowlduck, just because.06:10
fowlducktinkerers make the world go round, and cube, just cuz06:10
choudeshfowlduck, I got some a new firewall and router - ipv6 was faster on it since it used that arm_IP6 chip.06:10
fowlduckwhat kind of firewall and router?06:11
choudesholder pix from work06:11
fowlducka pix isn't a router, as my old instructor used to always say06:12
fowlduckbut cool nonetheless06:12
choudeshwell - the router/firewall was the bottleneck for my network.06:12
fowlduckouch, that's weird06:12
choudeshserver to server transfer was only 14.2MB/s over HG-Fiber06:12
fowlduckunless your network is big06:12
choudeshnow it is 214.3MB/s over HG-Fiber06:13
fowlduckthat's like walking on your hands when you could be driving a car06:13
choudeshfowlduck, you could say my network is a big. I also have a coffee house/inet cafe linked up here for down the road06:13
choudeshwell - I don't. My brother owns it.06:13
choudeshI have been hearing that they had a distrubted surfboard cable modem mod.06:14
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choudeshthey added another coax output to hook it up to two different cable lines06:15
=== DanaG wishes he could re-enable hidden status pages on hist SB5100.
DanaGI don't even need the ability to CHANGE anything; I just want to be able to see what I'm provisioned at.06:15
DanaGBecause Charter HAS gotten that wrong.06:15
choudeshDanaG, my cable modem is locked down tighter than a feminist's daughter06:15
DanaG512kibit/512kibit instead of 3mibit/256kibit06:16
DanaG(notice the up is higher)06:16
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DanaGthan it should have been.06:16
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choudeshheh. I currentl have 6/2 from comcast. it is burstable at 1am till 6am06:16
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xtknightlowlatency uses Ingo Molnar's patches?06:17
mphilltelecom are bastards06:17
spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?06:17
choudeshwell, we used to have a mom and pop telecom company about 2 years ago.06:17
choudeshthey got bought out by comcast.06:17
choudeshcable used to be $17 a month for 3/306:18
choudeshnow I pay $46 for 6/206:18
DanaGI'd bet we pay the same for 3/256(kilobit)06:18
DanaGI don't manage the bills.06:18
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choudeshDanaG, heh.06:18
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choudeshDanaG, neither do I. girlfriend does. but she still bitches 'cause a 2/512 is $2706:19
FunnyLookinHatWow, kubuntu has really come along06:19
choudeshFunnyLookinHat, yea it has.06:19
DanaGAnd of course, I'd switch to AT&T or Verizon, but it's impossible to find out what services are available, through their web sites.06:19
fowlduckI bet adept STILL SUCKS06:20
DanaG"Your phone number doesn't exist in our records."06:20
DanaG"Your address doesn't exist in our records".06:20
DanaGWell, durrrh, we aren't your customer yet!06:20
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fowlduckDanaG: makes you have confidence in the rest of their services06:20
DanaGMust be customer already to find out what's available to buy.... makes no sense.06:20
DanaGCan you think of somewhere else to use that reasoning?06:21
DanaGI would say something funny, but I can't think of any.06:21
choudeshregex hurt my eyes06:22
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alka_trasgDid any hear the Mark Shuttleworth's interview on the Linux Action Show?06:23
fowlduckI pay $99/month for 10/1 internet and cable + special channel tiers (my wife loves the tlc/discovery channel extras)06:24
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fowlduckghey 10/1 charter crap06:24
alka_trasgMark almost gives out the feisty+1 name06:24
michaelfaviaRE: topic.... how does this affect nvidia legacy driver support for 96XX?06:24
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DanaGIf I can't buy it, then it's not "Open", is it?06:25
DanaGLook on anandtech.com for a review of that cablecard tuner.06:25
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fowlduckmichaelfavia: I found a link for a manual way to fix it, if you want it06:25
choudesh!nvidia | michaelfavia06:26
ubotumichaelfavia: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:26
gaminggeekAnyone where using Banshee?06:26
choudeshheh - thought +1 was going to be quiet...06:26
michaelfaviachoudesh, fowlduck , im not actually concerned with fixing my driver... i was concerned about supporting it in a number of systems...06:26
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michaelfaviabut thank you for the link...06:27
Zeweygaminggeek: occasionally :p06:27
gaminggeek'cause the banshee Icon isnt comming up06:27
fowlduckchoudesh: umm, there are some problems with nvidia drivers right now, as of march '0706:27
michaelfaviadoes anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96430 is a blocker for 7.04?06:27
ubotuMalone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] 06:27
choudeshfowlduck, I know. I run one. :-D06:27
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fowlduckchoudesh: ok, just mentioning :)06:27
choudeshfowlduck, no prob.06:27
Zeweyit's not starting up?06:27
choudeshwhere is xt tonight?06:27
fowlduckmichaelfavia: i hope it is06:27
billy_choudesh: in the ubuntu room.06:28
billy_any firestarter users present?06:28
choudeshbilly_, I know. but he usually pops his head in here from time to time06:29
Zeweyblargh, hard to type on stuff with upgrade-manager chugging away in the background06:29
Zeweygaminggeek: it's not starting up?06:29
billy_choudesh: why not invite him over?  :)06:29
gaminggeekIts starting06:29
choudeshbilly_, heh.06:30
gaminggeekbut the *.desktop file is broken or something06:30
gaminggeekit has no Icon06:30
spenc3anyone know why i cannot get syntax on to work with vi?06:30
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Zeweygaminggeek: oh... you mean it has no icon06:31
Zeweygaminggeek: i had that sometime ago, but i just edited the .desktop file to the correct image name06:32
billy_how's the Kubuntu desktop coming along?06:32
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gaminggeekWhat did you change it to?06:33
Zeweygaminggeek: check the "icon" entry in /usr/share/applications/banshee.desktop, make sure it's "music-player-banshee"06:33
gaminggeeksure does06:34
alka_trasgfrom personal experience you may need to restart the gnome-panel06:34
gaminggeekAh ij06:34
Zeweydoes /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/music-player-banshee.svg exist?06:34
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Zeweyalka_trasg: is that "killall gnome-panel"? i need to remember that :P06:35
gaminggeekrestarted the panel06:35
gaminggeekstill broken06:35
alka_trasggo to command line and type: killall gnome-panel06:35
gaminggeekyep that is06:35
gaminggeekany more ideas?06:36
alka_trasghow did you install it06:36
alka_trasgare you using any 3rd party repos06:37
gaminggeeknope just the ubuntu ones06:37
gaminggeekthis is a fresh install06:37
alka_trasgoh okay, try this06:37
Zeweyyou could just reinstall it and see if it fixes it properly06:37
DanaGI found a bug:06:37
DanaGtry this: have onboard ethernet, but plug in a USB ethernet adapter.06:38
alka_trasgright click on the the applications button and go to edit menus and see if you see it in there06:38
DanaGWatch as NetworkManager repeatedly connects and disconnects.06:38
alka_trasgthat's what is does best06:38
DanaGOh, the onboard is a better device, let's use it!06:40
DanaGOh, the onboard is not plugged in, so use the external!06:40
DanaGOh, the onboard is a better device, let's use it!06:40
DanaGOh, the onboard is not plugged in, so use the external!06:40
DanaGand so on.06:40
gaminggeekthe icon isnt there?06:40
DanaGOddly, if you plug in BOTH devices, BOTH will interfaces will be up.06:40
alka_trasggaminggeek: darn06:41
alka_trasgDanaG: as a quick fix, have you tried right clicking and disabling the one you don't want to use06:41
gaminggeekyea :/06:42
Zeweythat sounds like a Gnome bug, you probably should file it with them06:42
gaminggeekonly a minor problem but banshee has suck a nice icon :/06:42
Zeweygaminggeek: try "sudo aptitude reinstall banshee"06:42
DanaGI'm using knetworkmanager, which doesn't have that.06:42
DanaGknetworkmanager does give more info, though, which is why I use it.06:43
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Zeweyoh that's right, who's responsible for the NetworkManager daemon?06:43
alka_trasgDanaG: have you went to command line and tried to dmesg to see what is going on?06:43
mahdihi, could anybody plz help me find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic deb plz? Cant find on official archives!06:44
gaminggeekwoot that fixed it06:44
DanaGRight-click in nm-applet also does nothing.06:44
Zeweycool :)06:44
mahdii had to downgrade my kernel to 2.6.20-12 because intel-hda sound is broken on 2.6.20-13 and later06:45
DanaGIt's a NetworkManager issue.06:45
DanaGAs I pasted above, you can see it do that if you run NetworkManger in console.06:45
DanaGfor alka_trasg06:46
DanaGmy school's LUG's server is usually out of date, and has huge storage capacity.06:46
billy_mahdi: my intel-hda works fine.  what motherboard do you have?06:46
gaminggeekanyone know why ntfs-3g isnt installed by default?06:46
DanaGdang, only down to 13?... /me is looking06:47
DanaGOh, then scratch that.06:47
mahdibilly_: ahmm... dunno LOL. Its an acer aspire 504006:48
mahdibilly_: tried both 2.6.20-13 and 14... only 12 works06:48
mahdibut i just cant find its restricted modules to get fglrx06:48
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fowlduckdon't use it though06:52
fowlduckyay for acer06:52
gaminggeekalso does anyone know why gedit is in sticky mode with desktop effects turned on?06:53
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choudeshmahdi, are you talking about the intel HD audio?06:54
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mahdichoudesh: yep06:54
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choudeshmahdi, it works in 2.6.20-1306:54
mahdichoudesh: no, it doesnt06:54
mahdichoudesh: just tried06:54
mahdichoudesh: not for me06:54
choudeshmahdi, yes it does. I have a gateway laptop beside me playing mp3's using
Zeweygaminggeek: probably because ntfs-3g is not that well trusted/not 100% stable yet06:55
mahdichoudesh: smth wrong with my sys then...06:55
mahdichoudesh: because it works only with 2.6.20-1206:55
choudeshmahdi, send me the output of `lspci | grep Intel`06:55
choudeshmahdi, it may be the rev 1 bug06:56
choudesh!copy | mahdi06:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:56
choudesh!pastebin | grep mahdi06:56
ubotugrep mahdi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:56
mahdichoudesh: doesnt show anything06:56
choudeshmahdi, then you don't have an Intel HDA06:56
mahdichoudesh: but i'm on 2.6.20-12 right now06:56
mahdiyes i do06:56
mahdichoudesh: its a atiixp06:57
concept10Anyone currently alive using the bcm43xx?06:57
choudeshmahdi, O....06:57
mahdiconcept10: its buggy. Use ndiswrapper06:57
choudeshmahdi, its not an Intel HDA. your sound is built onto that winmodem06:58
mahdichoudesh: yep06:58
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choudeshmahdi, yea. It isn't an Intel HDA:ICH706:58
=== DanaG doesn't see any noticeable benefit of -lowlatency.
concept10mahdi, I need to take your advice on that.   I really dont understand how a driver works perfect three releases ago and now its trash06:58
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concept10DanaG, that lowlatency kernel is trash on disk06:59
mahdichoudesh: nope06:59
mahdichoudesh: neither do i...06:59
Toma-im using -lowlatency right now for recording...06:59
concept10Heh.  Im serious!  Its garbage.06:59
DanaGtifm flashmedia reader also regressed from -12 to -14.07:00
concept10It _adds_ latency on my system07:00
choudeshmahdi, hmm - I thought that was working in 20-13...it is a module.07:00
mahdichoudesh: yep.07:01
concept10Toma-, used for recording what?07:01
Toma-concept10: sound...07:02
concept10Toma-, what application do you use (curious)07:02
Toma-concept10: lowlatency is not for desktops07:02
Toma-concept10: audacity07:02
gaminggeekWhat happened to the control pannel thing07:03
gaminggeekI thought that was supposed to be in fiesty07:03
concept10Toma-, dont believe the hype.  The lowlatency kernel should work in alot of applications.  If you're using that kernel for recording audio, you _are_ using it on the desktop!07:04
mahdiany chance i use fglrx from other version?07:04
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Toma-concept10: its improved my audio recording latency problems by leaps and bounds. i had absolutly no hopes that it would make my desktop faster07:04
gaminggeekwhy isnt low latency not for desktops?07:05
gaminggeekoh right it will not make the desktop faster07:05
Toma-it basically pounds the heck out of your CPU. kind of like using nice, but on turbo07:06
concept10Toma-, I believe you on the audio recording, but in my situation, I tried to use the lowlatency kernel to improve audio performance in a 3D game I play.. but it was worse07:06
Toma-concept10: yeh thatll happen07:06
Toma-concept10: the lowlatency will assign massive CPU to the audio, and hence, ruin your 3d gaming07:07
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concept10If you want a better solution, build a Real-time kernel07:07
mahdifound it =D lol07:07
mahdialmost all servers already deleted 2.6.20-1207:08
concept10I have no idea what the lowlatency kernel is doing07:08
Toma-concept10: its in the repos for the UBuntuStudio project, which will be a dedicated sound/video distro07:08
Toma-with the lowlatency kernel, apps like jack/ardour and friends can run full speed and its just brilliant07:09
concept10Toma-, a real-time kernel in the repo or a lowlatency repo?07:09
DanaGAah, like what ASIO is for Windows.07:09
Toma-concept10: lowlatency07:09
DanaGWhere didja find it?07:10
concept10except ASIO pretty much is solid these days07:10
DanaGOdd, my aptitude shows the -12 there, but I don't know where it's coming from.07:10
concept10Linux is "Will get you by if you have no other choice" when it comes to audio07:11
Toma-yeh right07:11
concept10but beyond that, its too complex and the applications are incomplete for professional applications07:11
DanaGHave you tried this "DPC Latency" tool in Windows?07:12
DanaGXP: 50-100 microseconds average.07:12
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DanaGVista: 500-1000 average.07:12
DanaGOh, I see... it IS missing the restricted-modules.07:13
Toma-concept10: you keep telling yourself that ;)07:13
DanaGWhere did you find them, again?07:13
concept10I know.. I have a studio that I run on hated windows system.  XP is great for audio.  I wouldnt touch Vista with a 10 foot pole.07:13
Toma-would you like me to find out the latency on this linux system?07:13
DanaGEver try KX Audio drivers?  They're cheap, but if you want real quality, go to somebody other than Cr{ap,eative}.07:14
concept10Toma-, You may have opinions, but if Real Life(tm), no one would touch Audacity07:14
Toma-concept10: im in real life, im recording a demo track right now, with a guitar, and hydrogen drum machine for the drums.07:14
DanaGOh, one cool thing:07:15
Toma-if i really wanted to get serious, id use ardour, which is hardcore, and actually used in RealLife (tm)07:15
DanaGmy onboard sound card's microphone jack is a STEREO microphone jack.07:15
concept10Toma-, I didnt say you couldnt use it, I said its imcomplete.07:15
DanaGAnd I believe it's 24bit 192khz.07:15
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Toma-concept10: in what way?07:15
DanaGI just don't have any good mics.07:15
concept10No real time effects07:16
gaminggeekanyone know what Feisty thinks I have two cd drives?07:16
Toma-you can use jack for realtime effects07:16
concept10Toma-, but its not in the editor!07:16
Toma-concept10: oh qq07:16
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Toma-i can get the latency down to 0.333msecs here07:17
concept10Toma-, BTW, im making a Compressor based on embedded linux07:17
=== DanaG is removing lowlatency while booted from it.
DanaGHah hah!07:18
alka_trasggaminggeek: do they both operate the same drive?07:18
Toma-concept10: i can run beryl + lowlatency just fine here07:19
=== DanaG notices no benefits from lowlatency....
DanaGespecially since NEITHER of my two sound cards has working input under Linux.07:19
=== Toma- running Ardour right now, at 0.7msecs latency
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DanaGOh, and my cardbus Audigy gives me an Oops if I try to toggle capture anywhere on it.07:19
concept10Toma-, it works, its just not for all applications (like you said, somewhat)07:20
concept10I hate using windows, but I have no choice if I want a robust production system.  I think a move to the Mac is in my future07:20
gaminggeekalka_trasg, I only have the one drive and the "CD-Rom 1" just says can not mount /dev/hdc07:20
gaminggeekbut the other one works perfectly07:21
DanaGBlargh, can you find any good Apple-compatible sound cards and apps?  I haven't looked.07:21
=== DanaG wishes he could've gotten a notebook-compatible C-Media -based card.
concept10DanaG, you can use ASIO and CoreAudio with apple machines for most cards07:22
DanaGcheck out their stuff.07:24
concept10DanaG, is that a chipset company07:24
DanaGYeah, but you can google for codec names to find cards with them.07:24
DanaGSuch as the Auzentech cards.07:24
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concept10I promise I will never buy another laptop for audio use unless it competes with the apple as far as noise.  The laptop I have makes so much analog noise, its useless!07:26
DanaGI've never tested my analog noise level.07:27
DanaGHow would I go about doing that?07:27
ajmorris_anyone using Linksys WPC11 wireless card here?07:27
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alka_trasgconcept10: what type of laptop is that?07:27
DanaGDell is notably bad.07:27
DanaGI have a Gateway M685.07:27
DanaGOh, and did I mention, stereo microphone jack?07:27
concept10alka_trasg, HP07:27
whyameyewhat does that mean "Herd 6 is cancelled."07:28
DanaGLooks like nerfle is either not here, or not on charter.07:28
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DanaGer, wrong channel07:28
concept10The one I have doesnt have proper shielding.  A guy brought a MacBook into the studio, and plugged it straight up to the board and it was noise free.. tripped me out07:28
DanaGha ha hah07:29
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alka_trasgconcept10: according to this, http://ask.metafilter.com/20028/Laptop-Audio-Hum it's because it's not grounded. Worth a shot.07:29
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wimsmy harddrive used to be /dev/hda with edgy, now it's/ dev/sda ?07:30
=== DanaG will try RMAA some time tomorrow.
wimsis it supposed to be like that ?07:31
DanaGrightmark audio analyzer.07:31
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concept10DanaG, if you choose a audio card, choose one that will be supported for at least five years.  MOTU, RMA.. and at the minimum, 24bit/96kHz07:31
DanaGOh, the c-media gives 8 channels of 24/192, I think.07:32
DanaGGoogle for "Auzentech X-Meridian".07:32
cablesAm I crazy to want to to install Feisty from scratch instead of upgrading? I want to sort of start over, as well as install all my codecs the cool Feisty way.07:33
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concept10cables, starting over serves no purpose unless you want a absolutely clean system.07:34
wimsnobody have an idea on the hda->sda thingie ?07:34
cablesconcept10, that can't be a bad thing07:34
cablesAlso I've used automatix. I reversed the changes and removed it, but it might still have left some remnants...07:34
Toma-wims: is this from the live cd?07:34
concept10cables, well when you collect configs and .rc files over the years, you dont want to have to set all that up over again07:34
wimsToma-,  no, its from my edgy upgraded hard disk install07:35
cablesconcept10, I'm going to back up some of my central stuff, but now that I'm less noob-y, I want to start off with a clean system.07:35
Toma-wims: oh gosh... no idea07:35
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thompais their a problem with gaim07:39
thompamine wont stay open, so i installed konqueror07:39
cablesthompa, what does gaim have to do with konqueror?07:40
cablesthompa, try renaming ~/.gaim and see if that helps.07:40
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DanaGmine is customized.07:41
DanaGOh, and a few other things, like scripts and modprobe settings.07:41
RAOFYou'd be looking forf bug #10395907:41
ubotuMalone bug 103959 in gaim "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc() while idle" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10395907:41
DanaGhda moving to sda is by design.07:41
thompagaim is running now, it does not matter i prefer konversation,07:41
thompathanks all07:42
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DanaGI just want to see Creative get a good slapping (damn killing Aureal)07:43
DanaGPh, they have 32-bit?07:43
DanaGOh, they have 32-bit analog playback?07:43
DanaGIs there even a point to that?07:43
alka_trasgDanaG: I agree, my Aureal was the best sounding audio card07:44
DanaGI never had one,07:44
thompai cant get filmstrip view back07:44
DanaGbut I heard the demos on stereo speakers on computers in Costco, all those years ago,07:44
DanaGEven on stereo, it was amazing.07:44
alka_trasgI bought one because it was cheap and I was amazed at the time how it blew away my roommates sound blaster 51207:45
billyis there an evince plugin for firefox, so I view pdf's in the window?07:45
alka_trasgthis looks promising http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2568507:47
DanaGNow to find a card that uses the multi-in, if you need it.07:47
DanaGgoogle for "cmi8788 card"07:47
DanaGwithout quotes07:47
billyalka_trasg: sweet. thanks.07:48
alka_trasgyou bet, I'm always amazed when I google things for linux and I end up in the ubuntu forums  :)07:48
K`zanreinstalling everything kde to fix the mass delete today the fonts in kmail are HUGE now.07:49
alka_trasghas anyone gotten 3d to work with chess07:50
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alka_trasgmore specific: with gnome games version of chess07:50
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billyalka_trasg: thanks.  didn't even have to edit the /etc/mozplugger file.  just installed the package.  :)07:51
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AyabaraI mount some network drives at work with "mount -t cifs". when I try to reboot my computer, it hangs on "CIFS VFS: server not responding". anyone got any ideas?07:53
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aldin<aldin> help needed echo $locale, en_US.utf8 stuff, ho do i find out which one i use and how do i change it?07:55
concept10Ayabara, I read about that problem long ago, seems like you may have mounted the FS to early07:57
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Ayabaraconcept10, weird. I mount it with a script a couple of minutes after boot07:59
concept10Ayabara, its different after boot08:00
Ayabaraconcept10, what do you mean?08:02
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concept10Ayabara, I cant explain it well but its some client-server problem where one is waiting on the other so it goes into a endless loop08:03
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Ayabaraconcept10, ok. thanks for the info :-)08:04
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DanaGOdd thing for me: gnome-vfs ssh doesn't work.08:10
DanaGIt just times out.08:10
DanaGIt takes 15 seconds to reach password prompt at command-line ssh,08:10
DanaGbut Nautilus / gnome-vfs waits longer than that.08:11
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DanaGAnyone here ever play C&C Renegade?08:12
DanaGI have the "yo1.wav" sound that's use for multiplayer PM messages (that's redundant) as one of my Gaim sounds.08:13
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DanaGis beep.08:19
ajmorris_j #ubuntuwireless08:20
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ajmorris_anyone have a linksys WPC11 wireless card working? or similar card?08:39
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peterfluteMorning all08:55
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peterfluteI'm still trying to solve an nvidia problem...Anyone around at these hours to help?'08:57
Terrasquei might help08:58
peterfluteThanks, Terrasque08:59
Terrasqueif i got time, and know the solution08:59
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peterfluteI have a gforce 6600gt on an asus motherboard. Everytime I load in the nvidia drivers, beit through the new feisty control panel, or via "envy" or whatever, I always get a black screen when I reboot.09:00
Terrasquedoes console still work?09:00
peterflutenope, the only way to restart is to reset. No caps lock on the keyboard either.09:01
Terrasquesounds bad09:01
Terrasqueworks fine under windows?09:01
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peterfluteI'm starting to consider a hardware change.09:02
Terrasqueso not hardware problem09:02
peterfluteUnless its an incompatability09:03
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Terrasquemight be. anything in the logs? can you ssh into the machine?09:04
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peterfluteI've no idea about getting in via ssh....09:05
pollyoHello anyone know why I have to turn off my gaurddog firewall to access my webserver ?09:05
peterfluteAs for the logs, they tell me that theres no glx driver loaded, though as far as I can see there is!09:05
pollyoI'm running kubuntu feisty09:05
Terrasquehad a similar problem once. nvidia would kill X, killing keyboard and screen. ssh still worked, so i could log in and kill the X process09:05
pollyoEven if I set everything to protocol permitted in guarddog I can not access the webserver with it active.09:06
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pollyoAnyone know about iptables?09:14
mjbrookspollyo, anything specific?09:15
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pollyomjbrooks: Do I need to put anything specific in for the webserver to work?09:15
mjbrookspollyo,  well, you'll need to allow port 8009:16
pollyomjbrooks: From what I understand guarddog generates changes to the iptables.09:16
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pollyomjbrooks: Strange thing... I allow port 80 in guarddog and still no go.09:17
pollyomjbrooks: When I turn it off then the webserver works.09:17
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mjbrookspollyo, I don't use guarddog, I'm hardcore and edit directly ;)09:18
pollyomjbrooks: Where would I find the iptables on my machine?09:18
Terrasquemjbrooks: my thoughts exactly :)09:19
pollyoAre these iptables difficult?  Is it simply adding ports and subtracting ports on a list?09:19
pollyoIs that all this thing is doing?09:19
mjbrookspollyo, I have my script in /etc/init.d/firewall.sh09:20
mjbrookspollyo, pretty much09:20
Terrasquepollyo: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/09:20
mjbrookspollyo, but with a few twists ;)09:20
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mjbrookspollyo, you basically want09:21
mjbrooksiptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT09:21
mjbrooksiptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT09:21
mjbrooksSee Terrasques post above09:21
mjbrookshmmm,  adept is showing a version upgrade...  did I miss an announcement today?09:22
mjbrookscrap, I can't get vnc2swf to compile... I must be tired09:24
pollyoI'll have to read over this stuff.  Thanks for the input.09:25
Ayabarais there a way to get independent workspace names for the monitors in a dual screen setup?09:26
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zeroflagoh great, I can't boot feisty because the dmraid version is broken and I can't boot edgy because the graphics drivers are outdated....09:38
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pollyoHello  I think I might have figured out my firewall can someone try pollyo.gotdns.com09:45
pollyoI used the guarddog.  I'm still gong to read up on those iptables though.09:45
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josh_Hi all, does anyone have some spare time to help a semi-beginner setup beryl on 7.40 beta? Thanks in advance09:51
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hottihello, is the ipod-hal (automounting ipod nano) fix in feisty beta?10:02
Toma-josh_: its pretty easy, 'sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald' then add beryl-manager to your gnome startup programs10:05
josh_I've installed all the beryl stuff I think, but still not working. Hang on, I'm just testing out linux and have run out of space, so need to fix that asap...back soon10:06
dystopianrayhotti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hal/+bug/66068 is that what you are referring to? in which case I'd say that it is indeed in feisty10:09
ubotuMalone bug 66068 in udev "New iPod nano recognized as via raid member" [Undecided,Fix released] 10:09
hottidystopianray: yes i think that's the one. thanks10:11
hottiis it easy to upgrade from edgy to feisty beta btw. im a bit new to ubuntu10:11
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IdleOne!upgrade | hotti10:12
ubotuhotti: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes10:12
Toma-hotti: id advice against installing beta, if you dont quite know what youre doing :)10:12
josh_hm...doesn't seem to be removing my stuff...looks like it's hung. Why is it that System Monitor reports 163mb free, but 0 available...why the difference?10:14
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:16
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josh_what's the add/remove applications manager called so I can kill it? Can't see it in the processes list10:19
josh_well it's like the lite version of it] 10:20
josh_applications -> add/remove10:20
Toma-still calls synaptic once you want to install things10:21
josh_that's not a running process...at least I can't see it10:21
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josh_found it I think10:21
josh_hmmm...brb, my cpu is still stuck at 100%....10:22
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josh_yeah, that was it.10:22
Toma-use top10:22
Toma-find out whats goin on10:22
Fredrik56Hello! I'm goin to hade Linux Ubuntu on my computer, mainly for surfing, playing a few videogames and work. I'm wondering what i should use? 7.04? I'm new in the whole linux world so please help me :) Execuse me for my bad english.10:23
zeroflagthis is funny...10:23
zeroflaginstalling windows is 20 times easier, faster and more reliable than ubuntu...10:24
Toma-Fredrik56: Id suggest using edgy for the moment (6.06) as 7.04 isnt quite ready yet10:24
dystopianrayzeroflag: have you ever tried to install windows?10:24
dystopianrayzeroflag: an hour to install, another hour dicking around looking for drivers10:24
mosi|worki found ubuntu faster, easier than my xp install10:24
zeroflagit just finished copying files...10:24
dystopianrayzeroflag: more hours trying to get all the programs you want10:24
Fredrik56Toma- okey. But when 7.04 is ready, is it hard to upgrade?10:24
mosi|workeverything just worked out the box, windows i had to fetch drivers and crap10:24
Toma-Fredrik56: nope10:25
zeroflagdystopianray: well, I wasted 2 DAYS to get ubuntu NOT running...10:25
dystopianrayzeroflag: what was the problem?10:25
josh_what I supposed to be looking for in top? Top only shows about 5% cpu, sys mon is 100%...gonna restart10:25
zeroflagmy raid IS the problem.10:25
zeroflaggrub won't boot with dmraid...10:25
dystopianrayzeroflag: oh fakeraid10:25
Fredrik56Ok :) Thanks, i have another question to. Do i need drivers? Because when i installed Windows i needed it for internet, sound and stuff, but i've heard that you dont need anything like that in Ubuntu, is it true?10:26
Toma-zeroflag: call your raid developer and tell them to support linux10:26
Toma-Fredrik56: not entirely10:26
zeroflagToma-: nforce is supported on linux, afaik.10:26
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Toma-Fredrik56: if youre wireless card isnt support on the rare chance, youll need to use ndiswrapper10:26
Toma-zeroflag: did you read the nvidia forums zeroflag?10:27
zeroflagno, why?10:27
Toma-Fredrik56: its all detailed and outlined in the UBuntu Guide that come with Ubuntu... the lil ? icon on the launcher bar10:27
Toma-zeroflag: youll probably find the solution there10:27
Fredrik56Ok but like this. My friend is running Ubuntu just for test, his computer lag when he scrolls etc, and its because of the Graphic card right? So we searched for a driver, found one on the Nvidia homepage, but it didnt work. Is it any special drivers for ubuntu 7.04?10:28
edgyHi, whenever I play any audio in my fiesty I hear the sound with interruption.  I guessed this is due to the core2 duo processor and I disabled one of them and there is now no interruption (though the sound is low), any one met across such an experience10:28
Toma-Fredrik56: all detailed in the guide10:28
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Fredrik56I'm so sorry, but which guide? :$10:29
Toma-Fredrik56: the user guide that comes with ubuntu10:29
Fredrik56Oh, well thanks :) Wont bother you with stupid questions, bye! :)10:30
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balachmarHi, could someone help me out with the wireless settings in Feisty>10:35
zeroflagToma-: that forum us utterly useless.10:35
balachmarPreviously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant:10:36
Toma-zeroflag: errm, did you post your problem?10:36
balachmarBut I don't know how to get this to work with the new gui stuff10:36
zeroflagToma-: the forum is half dead, there's no forum for driver issues and a search for linux popped up not even a hand full of posts...10:38
balachmarzeroflag: what kind of driver issues are you experiencing?10:39
zeroflagwell, that's the funny part. I'm not sure it's the drivers.10:40
zeroflagthat's what Toma- was trying to burden me with.10:40
zeroflagimo it's dmraid and grub...10:40
Toma-hehe. help yourself then.10:40
zeroflagToma-: Support forum for running NVIDIA based graphics under Linux.10:41
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zeroflagmy 8800 is working just fine.10:42
balachmarSo I assume you have some booting or installing problems then, if you are blaiming raid10:42
zeroflagI tried the fakeraid howto but it doesn't work.10:42
balachmarI have no experience with that sorry10:42
zeroflagI got grub to boot but it complains about not finding any block devices.10:42
zeroflagwhich was an error I got from dmraid before.10:42
balachmarWhat mobo do you have?10:42
zeroflagI also tried the solutions suggested on the bug report, but they won't work either.10:43
balachmarIs it and the chipset supported?10:43
zeroflagm2n sli or something...10:43
zeroflagnforce 570 SLI10:43
zeroflagwith dmraid it detects the raid.10:43
zeroflagjust the installer refuses to use it and grub refuses to work with it...10:44
zeroflagit's a wellknow bug since the installer was first deployed.10:45
zeroflagjust doesn't seem worth to fix...10:45
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zeroflagand I know too little about how ubuntu boots to fix the issues myself.10:46
balachmarI'm sorry I can't find anything either and am not an expert on booting either10:47
balachmarBut could someone help me getting my wireless network to work in Feisty?10:48
balachmarPreviously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant:10:48
zeroflagI'm wondering if there are any ubuntu distributors on this channel anyways...10:48
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neonlinuxhas anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card?10:49
zeroflag(for the record: it took me 20 minutes to install a working windows xp64 on my fakeraid, 2 days with ubuntu and it's still not working.)10:49
balachmarzeroflag: That doesn't matter, there are also lot's of things that are far easier in ubuntu. And sometimes you just have to invest in something :)10:51
edgyHi, whenever I play any audio in my fiesty I hear the sound with interruption.  I guessed this is due to the core2 duo processor and I disabled one of them and there is now no interruption (though the sound is low), any one met across such an experience10:52
zeroflagwell, 2 hours would be worthwhile. 2 DAYS are ridiculous.10:52
balachmarzeroflag: then maybe linux isn't for you yet10:53
edgyzeroflag: may be you took 2 days because you don't know how to do it10:53
balachmaradgy: I have a core2 duo as well, but am not experiencing any such problems10:53
edgyzeroflag: some one who know would do it in a couple of minutes10:53
edgybalachmar: this is a toshiba laptop10:53
zeroflagedgy: then tell me...10:53
josh_ok, got a bit of free space. Here's what I did trying to install beryl. I first enabled the restricted nvidia device from the system menu. This installed nvidia driver 97xx...on reboot x won't load since my geforce3 is not supported ;) Then I installed all the updates. I installed legacy nvidia driver (74xx I think..?), and tried beryl install from their site as per beryl-ubuntu wiki there. That resinstalled 97xx10:54
josh_drivers ;) Reverted back, can load beryl settings, but not gl effects work. Restricted drivers says "enabled" but needs restart...whcih I've done, and doesn't change this "restart" msg. Something's got confused somewhere with all my tampering :)10:54
balachmaredgy: mine is a no name :) has a intel 950 gma videochip on board.. maybe that sais something about the mobo.10:54
edgyzeroflag: I don't know but I have an IBM server and I did an ubuntu server install and it recognized the raid and I did nothing so don't count on my experience10:54
balachmarjosh_: you should use the legacy nvidia drivers10:55
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josh_I currently am10:55
zeroflagedgy: because you have a freaking raid controller. I just have a fakeraid and that's not working, at all.10:55
neonlinuxhas anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card.. after install i get a blank screen on boot, and i dont have console?10:55
balachmarjosh_: then try to find out what caused the xserver to crash10:55
josh_it was because I at that point had the newest drivers. It doesn't crash now10:56
edgyzeroflag: the point is if you took longer to do something new to you doesn't mean that the something is worse or doesn't worth the effort10:56
zeroflagubuntu is supposed to be user friendly.10:56
zeroflageven newbie friendly.10:57
edgyzeroflag: no you are wrong10:57
zeroflagI'm not a newbie and it's still impossible for me to make it work.10:57
edgyzeroflag: ubuntu is just a distribution they don't make drivers for your winmodems e.g10:57
balachmarzeroflag: I am using ubuntu on several systems and I am not experiencing any difficulties (except for the wireless on the company I work)10:57
edgyzeroflag: if you come to complain that it took you 2 years to make a driver then you are just discussing the wrong problem10:58
balachmarjosh_ but are you using nvidia drivers atm?10:58
zeroflagit's not a driver issue.10:58
zeroflagit's an installer issue.10:58
josh_I think it's something to do with the restricted drivers still wanting to "restart my pc". Yeah, using nvidia legacy...10:58
edgyzeroflag: again I discussing the general idea10:58
zeroflagand a bootloader issue...10:58
balachmarbut then even though the drivers are older, it beryl should work10:59
zeroflagedgy: the annoying thing is, they knew about the problem for over a year. noone fixed it.10:59
josh_Perhaps if I reload to the nv driver and uninstall beryl, and start all over...reset my xorg.conf file too10:59
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edgyzeroflag: you paid for windows, why don't you want to pay someone to fix your problem?10:59
zeroflagedgy: who?10:59
balachmarjosh_ I wouldn't know. I never experienced difficulties with installing beryl sorry :S11:00
edgyzeroflag: post on the forums or tell people here or maybe at ubuntu-server and you would find an expert guy to help11:00
balachmarzeroflagL canonical :)11:00
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josh_yeah, the sabayon livecd worked for me11:00
neonlinuxhas anyone here had experience installing the feisty beta with an ati card.. after install i get a blank screen on boot, and i dont have console?11:00
edgyzeroflag: yes what balachmar suggest is the best option11:00
josh_how do I revert to nv drivers? Is it the nvi package?11:00
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zeroflagand then we're back to the problem where my lazyness meets my (not existing) money.11:01
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zeroflagbah, this is ridiculous.11:03
balachmarjosh_: I don't think so11:03
balachmarzeroflag: then just invest some more of your own time. Post to the forum there are most helpful11:04
k_oshX on my feisty stopped working this (or perhaps last) update. Computer "locks" when X starts. Any idea on how to fix? I'm a far cry from a newbie but this is a first for me. I've always been able to kill X before.11:04
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starzive noticed the networking is laggy in feisty11:05
k_oshI'm thinkning that there might be something going on with the modules that X loads.11:05
starzi can boot into dapper so i see the difference11:05
starzssh into somewhere takes like 5 seconds here whereas its like 1 second in dapper11:05
starzany clue what could cause something like that?11:05
poningruk_osh: hmm11:05
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starzis there something i should compile myself or so>?11:06
zeroflagnow I got 2 OSs refusing to boot...11:06
poningruk_osh: when you bootup what is the error that shows up?11:06
poningruor do you just see a blank screen?11:06
neonlinuxk_osh: i have the same issue after installing the beta... it just hangs there right?11:06
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k_oshponingru: It appears to be when X (kdm, startx) starts. No error. Nothing in Xorg.0.log, nothing in dmesg...11:07
k_oshneonlinux: Yeah, I had it in some previous release too. Not lately though.11:07
poningruk_osh: it just dies?11:07
poningruk_osh: blank screen?11:07
poningruk_osh: can you still go to tty1?11:08
k_oshponingru: yep, just dies. blank screen. Won't accept any input. Not even tty111:08
neonlinuxk_osh: i dont get tty1 2 3 etc.. do u?11:08
neonlinuxk_osh: ati?11:08
k_oshinstalling sshd now to see if the computer is hung or if I can ssh into it.11:08
poningruhmm could be some module or something11:08
k_oshneonlinux: No ttys for me either. And yes, radeon-something.11:08
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neonlinuxherd 5 works for me.. but i want to install the beta clean.. (and the release when it comes out)11:09
k_oshponingru: I'm thinking that too. It's the only thing I can think of that would cause this kind of behaviour.11:09
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neonlinuxive read somewhere that you change something in the xorg file.. but the instructions were for those with access to a tty... so i could never do it11:10
k_oshneonlinux: Well, the beta worked for me for a while, just stopped working this or prehaps the previous update. can't tell what's in those though.11:10
poningruk_osh: what I would do is get a live cd11:11
poningruchroot into the install11:11
poningruand then update11:11
poningruand then remove the ati/nvidia modules11:11
k_oshponingru: well, I can still boot the "recovery" part. So I am root at the box atm.11:11
poningruoh ok11:11
k_oshsorry, should have mentioned that.11:11
poningruso right make sure its updated, and remove the ati/nvidia module11:12
k_oshI am at the latest update now I believe and it still won't work. I should probably try to disable the modules and then report this as a bug.11:12
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zeroflagok, now. I need suggestions.11:13
k_oshWhere are the modules disabled on ubuntus? not in /etc/modules I assume?11:13
zeroflaghow much of my system do I have to put on / and how much can I put on a different partition/hdd?11:13
zeroflagI want to make a very small boot/root partition on one of my sata drives which then mounts my raid.11:14
k_oshIn /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ?11:14
k_oshAnd what's the name of the ati module? radeon? ati? something else?11:16
Tomcat_k_osh: radeon = open source, fglrx = binary11:17
Tomcat_k_osh: But I'm no ATI user, I'm not so sure.11:17
k_oshTomcat_: Hmm, I have nvidia but not either of those in my /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file.11:18
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k_oshand I'm pretty sure I do have a radeon card.11:18
poningruzeroflag: for boot 200mb is recommended by me11:18
QuarupHrm, anyone having trouble buildinf11:18
poningruzeroflag: and 2gig for your /11:18
QuarupI am using todays snapshot and having trouble building something11:18
k_oshzeroflag: I have a 200mb /boot to kickoff my raid and the rest is on lvm.11:19
zeroflagponingru: is there any way to install non-essential software anywhere else but /?11:19
mwemy /var/www is owned by root:root is that correct for feisty? IIRC it used to be www-data.11:19
k_oshzeroflag: a 200mb on each drive, just for redundancy... ;-)11:19
poningrumwe: hmm yeah its supposed to be owned by www-data11:19
zeroflagor should I put EVERYthing but /boot on my raid?11:19
poningruzeroflag: yeah go for that11:19
poningruzeroflag: what kinda raid is it?11:19
RAOFzeroflag: Everything but root on your raid sounds like a good idea.  Nice & easy11:19
k_oshzeroflag: that's what I've done.11:19
zeroflagponingru: fakeraid. :[11:20
mweponingru: In that case the installer is broken :|11:20
k_oshzeroflag: but I use raid1 (mirroring).11:20
poningrumwe: hold on checking11:20
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poningrumwe: oh wtf11:21
poningrumwe: it is owned by root:root11:21
zeroflaghow are my chances of getting the installer to do that?11:21
poningruI swear like couple of weeks ago it was www-data11:21
zeroflagI don't want to install it by hand - again. >_<11:21
pavsok ubuntu+1 couldnt help me there. After updating to fiesty on my 64 bit laptop i dont have flash anymore. i used to have flash installed in edgy on the 64 bit distro. can anyone help me?11:21
mweponingru: I wonder if that's is correct, though11:21
mweponingru: it was for edgy11:21
poningrumwe: hmm11:22
k_oshzeroflag: fair, but don't use the live-cd.11:22
poningruzeroflag: there is a howto on the wiki11:22
zeroflagk_osh: alternate doesn't use dmraid, or at least not properly.11:22
poningrupavs: hmm11:23
zeroflagponingru: I know, most of it worked, some didn't.11:23
poningruyou have to do a 32bit browser to do that11:23
ubotuAMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.11:23
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pavsponingru any online howto you can refer me to ?11:24
anti_popis it possible to reset K-Menu ? new programms dont add to it here.. for example if i install package "kdegames" there are no new games in "games" :)11:24
poningrupavs: yeah looking11:24
QuarupSo there are no known problems building so far?11:24
mweponingru: I doubt that apache can write to /var/www when it's owned by root. But maybe it shouldn't anyway.11:25
poningrumwe: right the only trouble though is when you have php apps11:26
poningrumwe: oh hmm11:26
poningrunm because the php apps are supposed to be installed elsewhere anyway11:26
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Quarupsean@Noodle:~/Desktop$ locate linux/config.h11:30
QuarupThat is odd?11:31
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spikebis gnucash installable now?11:33
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QuarupWhy do the .deb files not include the config.h ???11:38
QuarupI can't build anything11:38
dystopianrayQuarup: you need the -dev packages11:39
QuarupI should only need build-essential and linux-headers-'uname-r'11:39
Quarupthe headers should have the config.h11:40
Quarupdystopianray, what -dev files?11:40
dystopianrayQuarup: what are you trying to build?11:41
QuarupA driver11:41
Quarupwhy is there no config.h?11:42
dystopianrayQuarup: your driver doesn't seem to support linux 2.6.2011:42
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Quaruplol you mean your distro can't build it?11:43
Quarupwhy can't I locate config.h after getting my headers?11:43
dystopianraymy distro?11:43
Quarupit supports the kernel11:44
dystopianraybecuase it doesn't exist in the kernel version feisty is using11:44
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Quarupdystopianray, so what package do I need?11:45
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dystopianrayQuarup: AFAIK you will not be able to build the driver against feisty's kernel without patching the driver source to work with kernels >2.6.1911:46
Quarupso the new kernel is not backward compatible with any old it will ALL require patching?11:46
dystopianraywhat do you mean 'ALL' ?11:47
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Quarupany source created before this kernel?11:47
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Quarupso why would anyone upgrade?11:47
QuarupI will have to patch anything I want to install?11:48
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dystopianraykernel modules11:48
dystopianrayQuarup: where did you download that orinoco-usb driver?11:48
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Quarupdystopianray, I hope there is a patch11:49
nogethey there, anybody using RapidSVN or any other svn GUI for that matter who could lend me a short hand?11:49
dystopianrayQuarup: did you checkout the latest orinoco-usb cvs?11:49
Quarupdystopianray, I followed this guide http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html11:49
dystopianrayQuarup: yes you don't need to tell me twice11:50
Quarupdystopianray, if i knew how, i am a newb11:50
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Quarupdystopianray, lol you asked me where I got it after i gave it to you the first time11:50
dystopianrayQuarup: well you'll need to find a patch or a newer copy of the driver which supports linux 2.6.2011:51
mosi|workhow do you change the default programs that certains files open with?11:51
Quarupdystopianray, or go back to a stable workng version of Ubuntu11:52
dystopianrayQuarup: or that, yes11:52
balachmarCould someone help me out with getting on the wireless university network in Feisty?11:52
Quarupdystopianray, http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html  on here it says any 2.6.x kernel11:53
balachmarPreviously I had the following config file for wpa_supplicant: http://www.wligtenberg.nl/content/view/23/2/11:53
dystopianrayQuarup: it's wrong11:53
dystopianraybalachmar: why aren't you using network-manager?11:53
balachmarBut now I want to do it with the new network-manager, but I don't know how11:53
balachmardystopianray: because I find that there are more fields to fill in then I had in the config file :)11:54
dystopianraybalachmar: click on the network-manager icon in the system tray, click the name of the network you want to join, enter encryption details and connect11:54
Quarupdystopianray, how about http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/RPMS/SUSE_10.1/kernel-default-2.6.21-0.21/ it says 2.6.2111:54
dystopianrayQuarup: you're not running suse11:55
dystopianrayQuarup: or 2.6.2111:55
balachmardystopianray: it doesn't use passphrases11:55
balachmardystopianray: it uses key_mgmt=IEEE8021X; eap=PEAP ; phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2"11:55
dystopianraybalachmar: you do not enter a username or password?11:55
Quarupdystopianray, lol I got the last source from a suse rpm that is what the walkthrough said to do the UBUNTU walkthrough11:55
dystopianrayQuarup: I really don't know, you'll have to talk to someone affiliated with the orinoco-usb project11:56
balachmardystopianray: yes, but it only will ask me for a passphrase11:56
Quarupdystopianray, lol ya okay dude11:56
dystopianraybalachmar: that wpa_supplicant config you linked to has lines for identity and password11:56
balachmartrue, so where do I have to fill that in?11:57
balachmarit only asks me for a passphrase11:57
dystopianraybalachmar: can you select the type of encryption?11:57
balachmardystopianray: only from wep 128 bit passphrase, wep64/128 bit hex and wep 64/128 bit ascii11:58
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dystopianraybalachmar: are you selecting the right network?11:59
balachmardystopianray: and then open system or shared key11:59
balachmardystopianray: yes11:59
dystopianraybalachmar: you're using gnome?11:59
balachmardystopianray: yes11:59
dystopianraybalachmar: ok, well I'm not familiar with any of the nm-applet dialogs in gnome11:59
balachmardystopianray: If I try to connect to other wireless network then I have more options12:00
Quarupdystopianray,  will this work http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/orinoco-usb/building.html12:00
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dystopianrayQuarup: I don't know12:00
Quarupwell read it12:00
balachmardystopianray: then I can select wpa persobak ir enterprise and wpa2 personal and enterprise12:01
dystopianraybalachmar: well you should be able to pick WPA Enterprise or WPA-EAP or similar12:01
balachmardystopianray: ok, what key-type should I use then?12:01
dystopianraybalachmar: are you absolutely certain you are picking the correct ssid?12:01
balachmardystopianray: yes12:01
cypherdelicya know what is funny?12:02
dystopianraybalachmar: and it gives you no WPA Enterprise option?12:02
balachmardystopianray: but now I can set the settings, but what does for instance anonymous identity mean?12:02
cypherdelicmy systemmonitor constantly shows doubled bandwith load lol12:02
cypherdelicSynaptic says 246kb/S12:02
balachmardystopianray: no, but I can add it by hand12:02
cypherdelicsystem monitor says 501kb/s12:02
cypherdelicSynaptic is right, System Monitor is wrong12:02
dystopianraybalachmar: most of them you can ignore, you should only need to set it for PEAP and then enter an identity and password12:03
dystopianraybalachmar: what wireless nic do you have?12:04
balachmardystopianray: something onboard intel12:04
dystopianraybalachmar: ok, intel wireless should work great12:04
balachmardystopianray: yes it works fine, with my home network. The university network is just a pain12:04
dystopianraybalachmar: the university I attend has an almost identical wireless network setup and I use intel 2200 wifi12:04
balachmardystopianray: do I need to set the private key file and or password?12:06
dystopianraybalachmar: no, only identity and password and make sure it's set to PEAP12:06
balachmarThe CA Certificate file I know. But do I need the Client Certificate?12:06
dystopianraybalachmar: you don't need to specify any certificates right now12:06
dystopianraybalachmar: identify, password and set it to PEAP, that is all you need12:07
gemidjyI noticed the package beryl-kubuntu in latest feisty upgrade, but couldn't find any visual change, what does this package do anyway?12:07
dystopianraybalachmar: once it's working then you can mess around with certificates and other settings12:07
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dystopianraygemidjy: probably has aquamarine12:07
balachmardoes it work without the certificates>12:07
dystopianraybalachmar: yes12:08
balachmardystopianray: ooh, ok... didn't know that what use are the certificates then?12:08
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dystopianraybalachmar: they are used only on the client end so you can verify that the network isn't fake, they're not essential12:08
balachmardystopianray: ooh, I get wiser by the day :)12:09
dystopianraybalachmar: so is it working?12:09
balachmardystopianray: nope12:09
dystopianraybalachmar: it's not connecting?12:10
balachmarit is trying, but it won't12:10
dystopianraybalachmar: are you within range from the network?12:10
balachmardystopianray: normally the grey balls turn green one after another..12:11
balachmardystopianray: yes, well now 1 is green :)12:11
dystopianraybalachmar: ok so it's having some success? I don't know what these balls you speak of are12:11
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balachmardystopianray: so maybe, just maybe it'll work. It is from the gnome network-manager :)12:11
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dystopianraybalachmar: if it does not work, then use wpa_supplicant manually to verify that you can actually connect to the network from your present location right now12:13
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balachmardystopianray: ok, will try that12:14
balachmardystopianray: but I miss the mschap option12:14
balachmardystopianray: which is in the config file, but I can't find in the gui to be set12:15
dystopianraybalachmar: it doesn't need to be set, it is autodetected12:15
dystopianraybalachmar: or at least, it shouldn't need to be set12:15
balachmardystopianray: ok :)12:15
balachmardystopianray: I'm going out for lunch and let my laptop try to connect the the wifi :)12:16
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PeterfluteHi....Anyone know how to mount a udf disck created with roxio directcd?12:27
Peterflutecome to that, how to mount a dvd recorded in a sony handy cam12:28
dystopianrayPeterflute: udf discs should 'just work' like any other disc12:28
PeterfluteI know....It doesn't12:28
PeterfluteThe disk is still open....12:28
dystopianrayPeterflute: what happens when you try to mount it?12:28
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PeterfluteIt just shows on the desktop as a blank dvd12:29
Peterflutesorry, whats the command to mount it via the console?12:29
dystopianrayPeterflute: mount /dev/cdrom12:30
dystopianrayPeterflute: does this cd work in other computers with other operating systems which don't have roxio directcd?12:31
PeterfluteI have no idea.12:31
Peterflutetring to mount12:32
Peterflutethi sis what i have in fstab12:32
Peterflute/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   auto user,noauto     0       012:32
dystopianrayso what happens when you try to mount it?12:32
Peterfluteusing mount /dev/hdc12:33
Peterflutemount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist12:33
dystopianraydoes /dev/hdc exist?12:34
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dystopianrayis the feisty release candidate still planned for later this week?12:38
PeterfluteI'll give my fstab12:39
dystopianrayPeterflute: I already saw the relevants parts I don't need to see the rest12:39
dystopianrayPeterflute: does /dev/hdc exist?12:39
PeterfluteI'm not sure that I understand the question12:40
dystopianrayPeterflute: you are new to linux?12:40
dystopianrayPeterflute: ok, open a terminal and try this: ls /dev/hdc12:40
Peterfluteso it doesn't exist12:41
Peterfluteno such file or entry12:41
dystopianrayPeterflute: did you perform an upgrade from edgy to feisty?12:42
Peterfluteno, its a straight install, but I've been mucking about with iot trying to fix the problem....I've obviously screwed it up (technical term)12:42
dystopianrayPeterflute: how many optical drives do you have?12:43
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dystopianrayPeterflute: no it seems feisty has screwed up12:43
dystopianrayPeterflute: can you do this in a terminal: ls -l /dev/cdrom12:43
Peterflutelrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-04-10 13:29 /dev/cdrom -> scd012:44
dystopianrayPeterflute: ok your fstab is wrong then12:44
Peterflutehow do i correct it?12:45
dystopianrayPeterflute: open /etc/fstab and change /dev/hdc to /dev/scd012:45
dystopianrayPeterflute: now try mount /dev/cdrom12:46
Peterflutewell, its spinning up....12:46
Peterfluteand still shows as a blank disc12:47
Peterflutemount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specifie12:47
dystopianrayPeterflute: ok, well I would recommend trying this disc in another computer that isn't running linux and doesn't have roxio directcd12:50
Peterfluteok thanks12:50
dystopianrayPeterflute: that will tell whether it's a problem with linux, or a more general issue with roxio only making wierd roxio compatible udf discs12:51
zeroflag!help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=242982912:52
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dystopianrayzeroflag: what error does grub give when it doesn't boot?12:54
zeroflagdystopianray: it's in the post "no block devices found".12:54
dystopianrayzeroflag: is it grub giving that error or linux?12:56
zeroflagI think it's linux.12:57
zeroflagI've seen it before when running dmraid -ay12:57
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dystopianrayzeroflag: have you tried the suggestions in the bugreport you link to?12:58
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fenrigi have a problem with /dev/hda12:59
fenrigi dont have it anymore12:59
dystopianrayfenrig: you don't have it going from edgy to feisty?12:59
fenrigi searched the whole dev folder12:59
zeroflagdystopianray: I edited the mentioned scripts and ran update-initramfs.12:59
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fenrigno i did a pure install of feisty12:59
dystopianrayzeroflag: and still doesn't work?01:00
zeroflagdystopianray: nope.01:00
dystopianrayfenrig: do you have /dev/scd001:00
fenrigi mean i downloaded the iso, burned it and installed it01:00
zeroflagI'm currently trying to set it up again.01:00
fenrigyeah i have that01:00
zeroflagso I removed everything I had before.01:00
zeroflagI think there's still something wrong with the installation process.01:00
dystopianrayfenrig: /dev/hda is what your cdrom should be?01:00
fenrigand a lot of apps use it so01:01
dystopianrayfenrig: ok, /dev/scd0 is your cdrom01:01
dystopianrayfenrig: apps should be using /dev/cdrom01:01
fenrigwell not all01:01
fenrigfor instance cedega01:02
fenrigbut how do i configure ubuntu to make back a /dev/hda01:02
dystopianrayfenrig: just configure the apps to use /dev/cdrom01:02
dystopianrayfenrig: it's now /dev/scd0 becuase feisty is using libata for pata devices01:03
dystopianrayfenrig: is cedega using /dev/hda becuase you told it to or becuase it defaulted to that?01:04
dystopianrayfenrig: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks01:04
fenrigwell it defaulted to that01:04
fenrigand i cant configure it to do otherwise01:04
dystopianrayfenrig: well i'd say cedega is pretty screwed up if it's forcing /dev/hda as your cdrom01:05
dystopianrayfenrig: go yell at cedega developers01:05
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fenrigill do that :D01:05
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dystopianrayfenrig: apps should be using hal or looking at /dev/cdrom or similar01:08
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about herd6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:12
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josh_Hi all, I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers working only, if someone can please help01:16
fenrigsorry but i see something strange in /etc/fstab01:17
fenrig/dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       001:17
RAOFjosh_: Tried System->Administration->Restricted manager ?01:17
fenrigits still wants to mound /dev/hda to /media/cdrom001:17
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fenrigbut /dev/hda doesnt exist01:18
josh_I've been doing it manaully. That seems to say enabled but I need to 'restart'. Restarting doesn't make the msg go away. Now, manually, I get /dev/nvidiactl no such device. Failed to init nvidia kernel module01:18
dystopianrayjosh_: what nvidia card do you have?01:18
josh_that way = restricted device mngr01:18
dystopianrayfenrig: change fstab so it uses /dev/scd0 isntead of /dev/hda01:18
josh_using legacy01:18
dystopianrayjosh_: did you install nvidia-glx-legacy ?01:18
josh_yeah. It was working, but something is broken now, after all the switching around of drivers I've done ;)01:19
josh_well working kinda of. never correctly, but at least I could boot X with nvidia in my xorg.conf. Now I get that module init failed msg01:20
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fenrigthx it fixed cedega01:20
fenrigi hope the rest too01:21
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josh_So I think I've somehow stuffed up the nvidia kernel module and need to fix it....I've also tried on my backup kernels though, 2.6.20-12, 13 & 14. Same issues.01:21
RAOFjosh_: So, you've installed "nvidia-glx-legacy", you've got the appropriate linux-restricted-modules package installed, and /etc/defaults/linux-restriced-modules-common does *not* have "NV" in it's DISABLED_MODULES line?01:22
josh_how do I find out what linux-restricted-modules package is installed?01:23
zeroflagstill in need of help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=242982901:23
josh_and /etc/defaults/linux-restriced-modules-common does *not* have "NV" in it's DISABLED_MODULES line01:23
RAOFjosh_: aptitude show linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` should say "installed"01:24
_steffen_is there a known bug with the RaLink : RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI   AND/OR  Intel Corporation /Wireless 3945ABG  WLAN cards?? On 6.10 both worked fine, but witjh feisty i get no connection01:25
RAOF_steffen_: Your Intel 3945 *should* work awesomely.  Mine does.01:25
josh_Package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic01:26
josh_State: installed01:26
josh_I think I'm still in my last test boot using the .12 kernel01:26
_steffen_RAOF: i see my network, and im pretty shure that i filled in the right parameters... but it still doesnt work01:27
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josh_I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-12-generic, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386 & linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic installed - will this cause a conflict?01:29
jubeanyone using ltsp in feisty?01:29
RAOFjosh_: No, not at all.  So, the nvidia drivers should probably work in the 2.6.20-14 kernel.01:30
josh_nah, not it 12,13 or 14.01:30
josh_same /dev/nvidiactly no such device, nvidia kernel module init failed error01:30
josh_that device appears to exist01:30
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enycDoes anybody know about terminfo vs. termcap... I have a need to run a program that needs /etc/termcap instead of terminfo database...01:31
RAOFHm, no idea, sorry.01:31
josh_ok, thanks anway. I'm gonna try complete removal of all nvidia & restricter modules, reinstall, see what happens.01:32
jubeltsp problem: sound gets messed up when I login on the server as a user who has previously logged from the thin client. Also, the logout/shutdown/hibernate menu causes X to freeze. Seems that logging in on the thin client messes up the home directory settings so they don't work if you later login as that user from the server. Is this normal?01:33
jube(everything works fine as long as I don't try to use the same user accounts on both the thin client and ltsp server... Not sure if I'm supposed to be able to do that or not.01:34
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InfectoUbuntu 7.04 is the most user-friendly Ubuntu to date and includes a ground-breaking Windows migration assistant, excellent wireless networking support and improved multimedia support.01:34
elvirolohas anyone experienced system freezes with feisty?01:34
Infectomy wireless don`t work correct !01:34
josh_will removing linux-generic break anything important?01:35
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SlimeyPeteunless you're replacing it with something else.01:35
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josh_I want to remove it, reboot, reinstall....?01:35
Infectocan any one tell me whats going on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/9973201:37
ubotuMalone bug 99732 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "ipw3945 radio kill switch on when returning from suspend" [Undecided,Confirmed] 01:37
Infectowill it be done after fiesty relase ?01:38
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coz_ok guys I know there are already bugs reported about this but has anyone come up with a good work around for alacarte not working in feisty/01:39
josh_hm, ok. I can't remove linux-restricted-modules without removing linux-generic. If I do this, and then reinstall without rebooting, will this work?01:40
Infectojosh_: yes01:41
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josh_does the restricted-driver manager simply get the nvidia-glx or legacy drivers and install them? Same if I did it with apt-get and nvidia-xconfig?01:50
RAOFjosh_: Yes.01:51
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Infectocan some one tell me how to permanently remove from autostart deamons like apache, mysql01:52
Infectoand similart ?01:52
Infectoi remove it but after upgrade or else its enabled01:53
josh_settings -> preferences -> services...?01:53
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zeroflagwhat does liloconfig mean by "Ithink you're configuring the base filesystem[...] "?02:01
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ferkimihi when the new version is scheduled out ?02:05
RAOFThe week of the 19th.02:05
ferkimiso it's better to wait then to install the old one :)02:06
RAOFOr install now and upgrade.02:06
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ferkimipatience :)02:07
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binksadept is locked out how can i clear it02:12
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josh_got the nvidia drivers going. Removed/reinstalled the restricted-modules and legacy driver. I note that the restricted driver manager however still wants me to restart, even though I have. Also, it didn't apt-get nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings...just legacy driver02:12
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dissonans_is anyone able to use Opera with current Feisty?02:16
dissonans_it segfaults directly here02:16
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squiredissonans: i had it working for a short time02:18
dissonans_squire: it used to work in Feisty for me, but it stopped working before or during easter02:19
dissonans_also, I don't get sound with the latest kernel update :(02:19
dissonans_on my Asus Lamborghini laptop02:20
squireyeah - i wish i knew what changed to cause it to barf02:20
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squireit was prior to the -14 kernel update iirc02:21
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squirethe problem is i've been reconfiguring sooo much since installation in march02:22
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squireopera will work with the 7.04 beta cd i have here tho02:24
squireassuming you don't update02:24
squire:] 02:24
zeroflaglilo can't boot raid0? -.-02:24
dissonans_yes, the kernel update doesn't kill opera02:24
dissonans_but it kills my sound :(02:25
dissonans_which is bad enough02:25
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squireu prefer opera? u r norwegian?02:25
dissonans_yes I am02:25
dissonans_I use both opera and firefox02:25
dissonans_opera is also useful for me since I do some web development02:26
squirethough mostly firefox these days02:26
dissonans_I tend to prefer firefox too, for practical reasons :|02:26
DarkMageZfirefox for everyday useage. opera for debugging firefox problems.02:26
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squirefirefox barfs more on feisty atm02:27
squirefortunately, the session recovery is brilliant02:28
FlavourflavHi, i used /dev/hdX devices in my /etc/fstab and after an upgrade they weren't found anymore, now fdisk -l lists them has /dev/sdX. Anyone know how i can get the uuid listings of these devices?02:28
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DarkMageZhmm, i thought it had gotten better. i haven't had firefox crash under feisty yet. but under edgy & dapper it would die @ random.02:28
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squireyeah, it just vanishes from the desktop without warning02:28
squireand doesn't more sideways ;)02:29
squireit's an infrequent and minor inconvenience tho02:30
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squireanyone using compiz?02:41
DarkMageZsquire, ypu02:41
squireany real probs?02:42
DarkMageZsquire, um. your mileage may vary. best advice is to use aiglx instead of xgl02:43
DarkMageZother than that. have fun02:43
squireoic tnx02:44
squireit's all a big learning curve right now02:44
squireonly started messing with compiz yesterday :)02:45
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zeroflagmy learning curve currently hit grub - which is a very steep, very tall wall of solid ununderstandablility.02:46
squireit didn't like 3 workspaces :/02:46
squiregrub? why/how?02:46
zeroflagbecause it won't boot my raid...02:46
zeroflagseems I forgot to link my kernel. -.-02:46
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zeroflagnow I'm back into live cd to fix that - after the usual 5 minutes boot on a rather fast machine...02:47
squire5 mins? sheesh02:47
squirewhat r u running there?02:48
zeroflag3600+X2, 8800GTS, 2Gigs of ram, nforce570mb...02:48
squirenice :)02:49
zeroflaghmm, my kernel is linked...02:49
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zeroflagforgot the savedefault line...........02:51
squirewhy does it always take 5 hours to find out about something which takes 5 secs to implement?02:53
zeroflagno block devices found...02:53
zeroflagbug 83231 in all it's beauty...02:53
ubotuMalone bug 83231 in udev "linux software RAID not working after herd 3 installation.." [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8323102:53
zeroflag5 minute boot, take 214602:54
squirec'est la vie02:54
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zeroflaglet's see if the bugfixes work this time...02:54
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squiretime to try automatix on another m/c i think :)02:58
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capiirahi hi anyone know if ubuntu will come with compiz 0.4 ?03:01
zeroflagit won't ship with it by default but you can probably grab it from apt...03:02
capiiraahh ok03:03
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capiirai wonder how long it will take till they find a way to fix the opengl apps flicker :)03:05
capiirathat would be very goo03:05
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alindemanAny idea if I can install eclipse from edgy while overall running feisty?  I need the older version to be compatible with a plugin03:09
capiirawhy you dont get it from the eclipse website03:10
alindemanYah, I suppose, but it's somewhat nice to use a package manager03:11
capiiraits java you dont need to compile anthing03:11
alindemanIf it's too much trouble, I will, yah03:11
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schwukanyone know how I can screengrab the logout screen in Ubuntu?03:12
capiirause xnest03:13
phaidroshow to convince pulseaudio, that fireox / epiphany are allowed to play sound also? and mplayer also?03:13
zeroflagit works! \o/03:13
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phaidrosany pulseaudio experts?03:14
AngryElf_Is the ATI proprietary driver known to be buggy(slow, choppy with 3d)?03:14
zeroflaghow can I set up a new user properly?03:15
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zeroflagmy new user doesn't have a home or anything. -.-03:15
phaidroszeroflag: "sudo adduser" in terminalshould guide you trought03:15
AngryElf_zeroflag: system -> administration -> users03:16
MrFeetioI can't get KVM to install, it "Depends: kvm-api-9  but it is not installable"03:16
capiiraor use the adduser pannel03:16
MrFeetiohow can I solve the dependency03:16
capiiraby edititing the package or by forcing apt to install anyway03:17
MrFeetiodoes it really need kvm-api-903:17
zeroflagphaidros: thanks, worked.03:17
zeroflagI forgot to add any user but root. :P03:18
zeroflagbut after 3 days of annoyance it seems I have a working feisty on my fakeraid in dualboot with my windows.03:19
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capiiraMrFeetio: dunno check their site out03:19
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capiirabut i think it depends because the file is called (kvm)-api-903:20
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capiirago seach for that file and copy it to right folder03:21
capiiraor for the package that contain that file03:22
livingtmDid they announce the name of feisty+1 yet?03:22
capiira? feisty Faw ? or what do you mean with "name"?03:23
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MrFeetioim voting for horny hippo03:24
capiiraahh feisty+1 ;)03:25
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capiirai love that unofficial ubuntu female ass logo :)03:26
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livingtmi heard they were going to announce that this week03:27
capiiramaybe that use it someday :)03:27
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capiiralet me continue my kde vs gnome list that will help me to decide what to use03:30
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Hobbseecapiira: where?03:31
Hobbseelivingtm: no03:32
capiira? where?03:32
Hobbseelivingtm: and i dont know where you heard that - hasnt been on any mailing lists from ubuntu03:32
Hobbsee[23:26]  <capiira> i love that unofficial ubuntu female ass logo :)03:32
capiiraNOT WORK/PARENTS SAVE!!! http://quarkblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/ubuntu.jpg :)03:33
capiirathat one03:33
Hobbseeuh, right.03:34
capiirasimply beautiful :03:34
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capiiranah its simply well done even different colors03:35
Hobbseeor arent getting enough.  either way...03:35
capiirabtw anyone know a decent ftp app for gnome ? something like KFTPGrabber03:39
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=== bur[n] er isn't getting enough
bur[n] er...and appreciates the beauty of the female form...03:41
Hobbseebur[n] er: heh.  poor you03:41
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bur[n] erHobbsee: it's all good and for the record, I respect women and love the fact that women in ubuntu seems to be growing03:46
Hobbseesure sure03:46
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AngryElf_Is the ATI proprietary driver known to be buggy(slow, choppy with 3d)?03:48
SlimeyPeteit's buggy, yes, and it doesn't like the Composite extension.03:49
AngryElf_composite extension?03:49
SlimeyPeteit's working OK for me atm though.03:49
SlimeyPeteit's an XGL thing.03:49
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AngryElf_default with Fiesty?03:49
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AngryElf_...it's fine, window management etc, but screensavers throw it a good one03:50
SlimeyPeteif you turn on Desktop Effects, yes03:50
squireslimeypete: aha03:50
capiiraATI drivers was never good, doesn't matter what OS03:50
AngryElf_where do I enable desktop effects?03:50
Fredrik56Is it any Nvidia drivers for Fiesty Beta out?03:50
SlimeyPeteAngryElf_: It's in System -> Administration IIRC03:50
bur[n] ernvidia drivers are in feisty yes...  9755 version03:50
SlimeyPeteFredrik56: nvidia-glx is in the repositories03:50
squirecompiz doesn't like 3 workspace config on this ati m/c03:51
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SlimeyPeteAngryElf_: I just tried running a GL screensaver and my system seems to handle it OK. The ATI drivers are notorious for loving some cards and hating others, though.03:51
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bur[n] erooh... 37 updates today :)  gnome 2.18.1 must have hit03:52
Tomcat_.1 already? :o03:52
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bur[n] ernvidia was backed up Fredrik56, it' the old version again..  nvidia-glx [1.0.9755+]  (1:1.0.9631+ Ubuntu:7.04/feisty)03:53
Fredrik56Ok. Thanks.03:54
Fredrik56I've heard that Wine doesnt work for Fiesty intelx86, is it true?03:54
bur[n] ernope03:54
mipsI'm having display issues with Kubuntu Feisty on nv 6600. Everything is just junk, cannot make out anything when it gets to the login screen03:54
bur[n] erwine works fine to play warcraft 3 here and call of duty03:54
Fredrik56Ok :)03:55
bur[n] ermips: nv driver? nvidia driver?03:55
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mipswell it is the default nv driver, what you get after a fresh install03:55
bur[n] ermips: widescreen by chance?  I couldn't get nv to display a widescreen display correctly03:55
bur[n] ernvidia works though03:55
mipsnope normal 4:3 crt03:55
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mipsany ideas as to a fix ?03:56
bur[n] ersudo apt-get install nvidia-glx03:56
bur[n] erthen run "sudo nvidia-xconfig enable"03:56
bur[n] erthen restart x with "ctrl+alt+backspace"03:56
mipscan i do that from the rescue mode ?03:57
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bur[n] eryou can apt-get it, then just restart03:57
bur[n] eroh, and run hte xconfig enable to set nvidia as the driver in xorg.conf for you03:57
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mipsok, ctrl-alt-backspace just throws me back to the same place, gibberish03:57
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mipslet me reboot and try that03:58
bur[n] ernp, hope it works03:58
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MenaHI, is there a way to lock a folder with password on kubuntu03:59
bur[n] erMena: there's a way to lock a folder to only your user03:59
Menabur[n] er, you mean permisions04:00
bur[n] erright04:00
Menabur[n] er, ok :)04:01
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Menabur[n] er, Thanks04:03
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finalbetaAnyone knows a GUI sftp client?04:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:07
zdzichuBGor nautilus04:08
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netmon1Does anyone happen to have a Dell E1505 or E1705 laptop04:10
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ubotupidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - chances are it will still be called Gaim in Feisty; look for the change in Feisty+104:11
mipsbur[n] er, thx that sorted the display issue out. Bit alarming that the nv driver is fooked for me.04:12
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peter77Gnome AIM has to change name?04:13
Hobbsee!no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!04:13
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee04:13
ubotupidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!04:13
Hobbsee!no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info04:13
bur[n] ermips: glad to hear you're working now though :)04:13
peter77I can put it in myself though :-)04:14
Hobbsee!no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info04:14
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee04:14
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(Noah0504/#ubuntu+1) I'm still waiting for the bug I filed for SoundConverter to be fixed.04:23
(jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, it works so much better, and ive themed wine with the human theme so it doesnt look like its running in wine at all04:23
(bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) jimmy_: here's 0.5 deluge if you want a gtk app. http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/04:23
(jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, it goes in the tray but its so ugly04:23
(bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) for sure... speaking of ugly tray icons, what's up with liferea these days04:23
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(Hobbsee/#ubuntu+1) crimsun: i didnt see why the binary only removals would be necessary04:26
(zdzichuBG/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er: uh, ugly04:26
(nomasteryoda/#ubuntu+1) xchat is the same way... tray icon has gray background04:26
(Hobbsee/#ubuntu+1) crimsun: surely that would be source and binary?04:26
(zdzichuBG/#ubuntu+1) btw, gnome-panel translucenty isn't composite aware?04:26
(Noah0504/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er: What are some of the major bugs with .4 of Deluge anyway?04:26
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(bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) Noah0504: just the fact you can't open .torrent files by clicking them from the browser04:27
(bur[n] er/#ubuntu+1) Noah0504: it was a major rewrite... a whole lot has changed04:27
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(jimmy_/#ubuntu+1) bur[n] er, http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8572/screenshotap9.png04:27
bur[n] erjimmy_: that awn?04:27
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jimmy_bur[n] er, yeah04:28
jimmy_with rhythmbox plugin04:28
bur[n] erhow well does it work?  still sketchy or good for everyday use?04:28
jimmy_bur[n] er, im loving it04:28
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h3sp4wnIs there a reason why the font rendering is so bad in feisty (with xfce) (got rid of the hardcoded 100 dpi)04:28
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bur[n] erjimmy_:   any .debs or you compile it?04:28
jimmy_bur[n] er, one or two bugs, but only aesthetics04:28
jimmy_bur[n] er, i got it from svn04:28
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:29
Noah0504bur[n] er: Well, with the .5 DEBs you pointed me to, I'm not having much luck opening torrents from FireFox.  Do I have to associate manually, or is Deluge suppose to become the default?04:29
jimmy_Noah0504, right click on a .torrent file on your desktop, then click properties, then choose to open it with deluge-torrent04:30
jimmy_Noah0504, then restart firefox04:30
bur[n] erNoah0504: just open with deluge, it'll work04:30
jimmy_man i wish awn had a trash can plugin04:32
Noah0504So, is RC1 still expected for the 12th?04:33
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HobbseeNoah0504: 48 hours or so04:34
Hobbseewill be the test builds04:34
Noah0504Good stuff.04:34
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bur[n] erjimmy_: play with screenlets yet?  they're some good eye-candy04:35
mipsApparently feisty has an easier way of installing the stuff like codecs etc. Where do I look04:35
jimmy_bur[n] er, no?04:35
jimmy_mips, either in add remove programs, or just run a divx, or quicktime, or wmv video04:36
jimmy_mips, itll ask you if you want to install it04:36
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kane77my feisty stays up to date (if i update) so it will be the final version as soon as it's released?04:36
mipsam i suppose to enable any extra repos because I saw nothing in add/remove programs04:36
mipskane77, yes04:36
bur[n] erjimmy_: http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/ubuntu/  <--debs   http://www.flickr.com/photos/67534389@N00/432612528/ <--pictures04:36
Hobbseemips: no04:37
kane77mips, it should work without adding anything to repos..04:37
bur[n] ermips: just open something with totem and it'll auto-install04:37
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jimmy_bur[n] er, i just added it to repo now, im going to try it out, thanks04:41
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jimmy_bur[n] er, can you hotkey something so the widgets dissappear, like in osx?04:41
mipsdoes feisty not automount all your drives/volumes ?04:42
bur[n] erjimmy_: not that i've found...  I think there are tie-ins to beryl somehow, but I have yet to explore that04:43
jimmy_ahh im not running beryl04:43
bur[n] ermips: mounts mine... even ntfs drives04:43
mipsWeird, I dont see them under storage media04:43
Noah0504Does Azureus depend on Sun-Java?  I know it's not a required dependency, but does it do anything to have it installed?04:44
capiirawill ubuntu come with the new gaim version renamed?04:44
aaroncampbellI'm running Kubuntu Feisty, and Adept is asking me to "upgrade" nvidia-glx from Installed Version 1.0.9755+ to Candidate Version 1:1.0.9631+  Am I reading that wrong?  Or is that a downgrade?04:44
Hobbseecapiira: please see the /topic04:44
mipsbur[n] er sorry, looked in a plce where i usually expect them, they can be found in /04:45
capiiraoh heh04:45
Hobbseeaaroncampbell: it's deliberate04:45
capiirayeah azureus depends of java04:45
bur[n] erjimmy_: http://compiz.org/index.php?title=Desktop_Screenlets04:45
bur[n] ermips: mine are in /media04:45
aaroncampbellHobbsee: ok, why?  I'm a little afraid to do it, because I had to wait for 9755 for support for my card (8800gts)04:46
capiiraazureus was coded with/for java04:46
Hobbseeaaroncampbell: because nvidia's dropped support for some fo the chipsets, so it's changed04:46
Hobbseeoh wait.04:47
Hobbseei think you may need nvidia-glx-new04:47
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mipsbur[n] er thats where i expected them to be but they were in /04:47
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kerci was wondering if I can get transparancy and some other effects in Feisty Fawn, I have nvidia mx400 video card and nvidia-glx-legacy installed04:51
kercalthough when i run desktop effects from the menu i get no Composite extension available or something.04:51
bur[n] erkerc: did you change your xorg.conf to use the new nvidia driver?04:52
bur[n] ersudo nvidia-glx-config enable04:52
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kercbur[n] er: i get an error04:53
kerclet me paste it04:53
bur[n] er!pastebin |kerc04:54
ubotukerc: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:54
bur[n] eruse that if it's more than a line or two04:54
kercbur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14884/04:54
bur[n] erkerc: just manually edit it then.  gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the nv driver to nvidia04:55
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kercbur[n] er: ok.. but I don't want to broke something ;)04:55
Alpha_Clusteris anyone else running feisty haveing weird problems with gnome?04:55
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capiiramy prob with gnome in feisty was the slowness04:56
capiira(still is)04:56
kercbur[n] er: it is nvidia04:56
Alpha_Clusterum im having a problem with that04:56
capiiraand not working compiz cube04:57
Alpha_Clustermy gnome boots but then goes slow as hell04:57
Alpha_Clusterand im running of the radeon driver04:57
capiirame nvidia04:57
kercbur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14886/ - this is my xorg.conf04:57
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bur[n] erkerc: i'm unsure... i don't have any nvidia-legacy stuff :\04:57
Alpha_Clusterand i dont know but i think i have a warninng poping up since i got a odd white box appearing in the upper left of my gnome splash04:57
h3sp4wnMy issue's are - dpi hardwired at 100 (stupid cannot see a reason for that at all) fonts don't line up with the pixels on the lcd04:57
capiiramy slowness prob is a lagging while moving the window04:57
bur[n] erAlpha_Cluster: grey box in the top left and no splash screen between gdm & gnome?04:57
bur[n] ercapiira: get better video drivers04:58
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Hobbseebur[n] er: removing04:58
capiiranvidia original04:58
bur[n] erHobbsee: removing 0.4 of deluge?  cool :)04:58
Hobbseebur[n] er: yep04:58
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kercbur[n] er: I see the last line from my xorg.conf Option "Composite" "Disable". Do I have to change disable with enable ?04:58
bur[n] erthanks Hobbsee, no deluge is better than deluge that doesn't work from browser :)04:59
zeroflagI just installed ubuntu-desktop, how do I start gnome? reboot? or do I have to set it up first?04:59
Alpha_Clusterzeroflag: you should just be able to restart X and then select it from sessons04:59
Alpha_Clusterzeroflag: to restart X just press ctrl+alt+backspace05:00
zeroflagAlpha_Cluster: there's no X launched yet, this is a fresh install.05:00
Alpha_Clusterzeroflag: then type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start05:01
Alpha_Clusteror sudo gdm05:01
bur[n] erkerc: sounds about right05:01
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kercbur[n] er: i tried but same issue05:03
bur[n] erkerc: disable glx?05:04
Hobbseebur[n] er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/10518705:04
ubotuMalone bug 105187 in deluge-torrent "Please remove deluge-torrent 0.4.1-2 source+binary from feisty/universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 05:05
kercbur[n] er: i didn't05:05
bur[n] erkerc: there's an option that's something like... enablecompositewithglx or something05:05
bur[n] erHobbsee: random questoin, but does crimsun == daniel holbach?05:06
bur[n] ernope05:06
Hobbseebur[n] er: nope.  that's dholbach05:06
Hobbseecrimsun: == daniel chen05:06
zeroflagI just pressed ctrl alt f1.05:06
zeroflagnow my monitor shut down and I can't get into any shell or gnome.05:07
Alpha_Clusterzeroflag: yeah that is a problem with the nvidia driver05:07
zeroflagwasnt ctrl alt f1 the hotkey for a shell?05:07
Alpha_Clusteri dont knwo why it happens sometimes05:07
zeroflagrebooted, monitor shut down again.05:07
zeroflagyeah, as soon as it started booting05:08
bur[n] erzeroflag: it is, but some drivers break that... try going back to X with ctrl+alt+f705:08
zeroflagseems console uses some resolution my monitor can't provide.05:08
kercbur[n] er: do you know what video card is working correctly and fine with those effects?05:09
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bur[n] erkerc: mine is :)  geforce 620005:10
kercbur[n] er: seems that I have to smash this video card.05:10
bur[n] erkerc: i think you can make it work... i had an mx440 back with edgy and had beryl working05:10
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kercbur[n] er: yea, but know we have feisty, totally different.05:12
kercbur[n] er: seems that nvidia doesn't support something, i don't know what.05:13
bur[n] erkerc: did you disable glx and try?05:13
bur[n] erjust add a # to comment it near the top05:13
kercin xorg.conf?05:13
bur[n] ertry this kerc?  Option "AllowGLXWithComposite"   "true"05:15
zeroflagI'm trying to add syaptic to my administration menu but it's listed cursive.05:15
kercbur[n] er: no, where do I have to write that?05:15
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kercbur[n] er: in Section "Extensions" ?05:16
kercbur[n] er: where I have that option "Composite" "Disable"05:17
bur[n] ernope05:17
bur[n] erunder the Driver "nvidia"05:17
kercbur[n] er: ok05:17
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kercbur[n] er: i'm done, what now?05:18
bur[n] erkerc: restart x05:19
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kercbur[n] er: ok05:19
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Lin_heya.. Im pretty sure that feisty beta alternate CD didn't recognize my atheros card. As far as i could notice it didn't has the restricted modules while installing. There is any way to make that modules available on boot?05:24
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anti_popmy K-Menu doesnt add new installed programs05:28
anti_popwhy is that ?05:28
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kercbur[n] er: i get the nvidia logo and the login but when i write my user and pass I get a white screen05:29
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kercbur[n] er: now i'm on a console.05:30
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Alpha_Clusterso does anyone know if Pidgin 2.0 is guna make it into Fesity?05:31
ubotupidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info05:32
Alpha_Clusterah ok05:32
peter77everyone was talking about it about an hour ago :-)05:33
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Alpha_Clusterwell i wasnt here an hour ago lol05:33
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Lin_Alpha_Cluster: what is pidgin?05:34
kkathmanpidgin = gaim v205:34
Lin_i read05:34
peter77so w I take it GAIM was called GAIM before AOL copyrighted AIM05:34
HobbseeAlpha_Cluster: see /topic05:34
Alpha_Cluster>.< it was in topic >><05:34
Alpha_Clusterwow i feel dumb now >.<05:35
Lin_why someone has created this stupid laws? just to employ lawyers.. that is it.05:35
kkathmanis it safe yet to do an "in place" dist-upgrade from edgy, or should one wait at this point?05:35
peter77ooh GAIM is similar to AIM so they sue05:36
_dennis_Gnome + AIM ;)05:36
peter77GTK + AIM05:36
zdzichuBG_dennis_: precisely it was GTK+05:36
aaroncampbellWhere can I go to see if my card needs nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?05:36
zdzichuBGGTK+ Aol Instant Messenger05:36
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mosi|workwhats the default root pass?05:37
mosi|workso i can login using su in terminal05:37
Alpha_Clusteryou have to go and sudo su05:37
peter77why not use sudo05:37
_dennis_ah, sry, i thought it was similar the the K of kde...05:37
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Alpha_Clusterthen you can set it using passwd if you really must but sudo su does the smae05:37
mosi|workah sudo su works thanks05:37
mosi|workwell sudo was complaining about some long command im doing05:38
mosi|workso i wanted to try it just as root05:38
mosi|workyea, its working as root now :)05:39
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bur[n] erkerc: so... maybe that option isn't so great ;)05:39
kercbur[n] er: yep05:39
kercbur[n] er: any ideas?05:39
bur[n] erkerc: try disabling that option and glx at the top05:40
=== bur[n] er is guessing at best ;)
kercbur[n] er: can you rephrase please ? :)05:41
kercbur[n] er: i don't get you.05:41
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bur[n] erput a # in front of glx in your xorg.conf as well as the new option we put in that caused this new white screen05:41
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kercbur[n] er: and where is glx ? lol05:43
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jimmy_anyone else getting rhythmbox to read an itunes share? the itunes users on my network can read mine, but i cant read theirs, i see them though05:45
kercbur[n] er: i will try something else, i changed Disable with Enable in Option "Composite" "Disable"05:45
kercbur[n] er: let me restart X again to see if it works.05:45
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kercbur[n] er: its not working. where is glx?05:47
jimmy_bur[n] er, these screenlets are really nice, but i cant get the weather one to work, it asks for a u.s. zip code, and im not in the u.s. :\05:47
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aaroncampbellWhere can I go to see if my card needs nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?05:48
zeroflaghow can I setup the resolution used by my shell?05:48
bur[n] erjimmy_: sorry man, I'm sure they accept patches ;)  http://compiz.org/index.php?title=Desktop_Screenlets05:51
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bur[n] eraaroncampbell: what kind of card?05:52
kercbur[n] er: do you have any ideas how can I enable some effects please?05:52
bur[n] eraaroncampbell: it's definitely not legacy ;)05:53
bur[n] erkerc: #ubuntu-effects might be more help05:53
aaroncampbellbur[n] er: I know that. ;)05:53
jimmy_bur[n] er, its so nice though05:53
kercbur[n] er: I joined there about an hour ago and no one is there.05:54
bur[n] eraaroncampbell: http://www.mepisguides.com/Mepis-6/nvidia-glx/Mepis-6-0-4/nvidia-glx-legacy-604.html <--little thing i found05:54
aaroncampbellbur[n] er: thanks, I tried that too...but got no answer05:54
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jimmy_bur[n] er, http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9672/screenshotzh1.png05:54
bur[n] erjimmy_: I heard kde4 widgets are going to support those made for mac dashboard :)05:55
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bur[n] erjimmy_: slick :)  I hope these screenlets really take off05:55
jimmy_bur[n] er, if they support mac dashboard widgets, it would  be amazing05:56
aaroncampbellbur[n] er: that's only for legacy or regular...there is a 3rd option now :|05:56
bur[n] erthat's what I'm sayin... I have been trying to hack my own screenlet, but I can't find a great source to get snowfall from other than parsing a large .html file :\05:57
bur[n] eraaroncampbell: wiki.ubuntu.com awaits your findings ;)05:57
kercbur[n] er: seems that I'll smash my video card and buy a new one.05:57
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bur[n] eris it pci?  I'll have it :)  one of my desktops only has an intel i810 that can't do 1440x90005:59
kercbur[n] er: do you know another video card without making problems? lol05:59
bur[n] erkerc: i use a geforce 6200 that works really well05:59
kercbur[n] er: on Feisty Fawn ?05:59
bur[n] eryeah06:00
bur[n] erand edgy06:00
bur[n] erand dapper06:00
bur[n] eri used to run xgl on dapper with this thing06:00
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bur[n] eroh yeah... you could try Xgl kerc06:00
Lin_someone can access my company website.. I want to check if nat is right. It has to open a web site not a blank page with a single phrase.06:00
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anti_popis the tool kleansweep safe to use ?06:02
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kyneswhy do06:03
kyneswhy does "Control Panel" exist in my Feisty AMD64 version?06:04
kynesdoes not I mean..06:04
bur[n] erit doesn't exist in anything anymore06:04
bur[n] erno menus anyway. you can run it via gnome-control-center06:04
zulfajuniadiLin_ your website is not loading properly06:05
Lin_problems about rendering the web site?06:06
Lin_in linux firefox.. I know.. damn stupid web designers.06:06
Lin_i have to hit them in the head .. hit hard06:06
zulfajuniadiLin_ yes in ff, trying now in ie...06:07
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Lin_in ie it works ;-)06:07
Lin_zulfajuniadi: thanks for your help.. but i dont care to IE ;-)06:08
chijinthere's a huge white empty space in the middle in my ff06:08
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zulfajuniadiLin_ in ie it's ok, but not in f... hit 'em hard... haha06:08
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Lin_sure I will ;-)06:08
bur[n] erLin_: it's just a problem with the flash stuff here... nat seems to be fine06:11
=== bur[n] er says "just" but really despises those flash bugs
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zeroflagit seems nvidia-glx-config screwed up my x config and now it won't start, how can I fix that?06:12
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bur[n] erzeroflag: manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or put the backup that was created in its place06:12
chrisbudden14kernel panic anyone?06:12
=== bur[n] er has no kernel panic
zeroflagbur[n] er: and what should I be looking for when editing that file?06:13
zeroflagx says it can't start the nvidia kernel module...06:13
bur[n] erdriver "nvidia" change to driver "nv"06:14
bur[n] erzeroflag: what kind of card?  did you try nvidia-glx instead of the legacy?06:14
zeroflag8800 GTS06:15
zeroflagand yes, nvidia-glx, not legacy06:15
SlimeyPetethat might be too new?06:15
bur[n] ercould be that you need hte newest 9755 driver zeroflag06:15
bur[n] erthough I'm unsure06:15
zeroflagit worked 20 minutes ago until I installed nvidia packages...06:15
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kynesI think I solved that one by removing nvidiakernel-common package.. and then compiled NVIDIA's tar.gz06:16
bur[n] eryou can go back to the "nv" driver, but that won't be 3d enhanced or ready for beryl06:16
zeroflagit can't load the module "wfb"...06:16
kynesbut NVIDIA's program can't configure X correctly so I had to find it out06:16
kynesI can provide a sample xorg.conf to you06:16
=== bur[n] er wonders wtf nvidiakernel-common package is... and just uses nvidia-glx and runs sudo nvidia-xconfig enable
kynesoh, then it's different06:16
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zeroflagkernel module version is 1.0-9631, X module is 1.0-975506:17
zeroflaghow can I upgrade the kernel module?06:17
kynesbur[n] er : what's your card model?06:17
bur[n] eryou can't zeroflag, they just downgraded it in feisty... did you restart X after getting the new packages?06:17
bur[n] erkynes: geforce 620006:18
kynesas I said, it requires removing nvidiakernel-common.. but read it on the forums06:18
zeroflagbur[n] er: yes, and that's where it refused to start.06:18
kynesI don't remember the configuration process that much06:18
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kynesit was problematic for me06:18
kynesbur[n] er : mine is geforce go 740006:18
kynesand installing drivers of new models is problematic..06:19
kynesbelieve me :)06:19
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bur[n] eroh06:19
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kyneszeroflag : I guess when you installed with NVIDIA's official program, it worked that session06:19
kynesand after that, when you rebooted, it screwed up06:19
bur[n] erbrb06:20
zeroflagkynes: and how am I supposed to fix that?06:20
kyneslet me take a look at my configuration06:21
kynesby the way, installing with NVIDIA's program caused my wireless card to cease functioning once..06:22
kynesI went mad that time, but somehow I managed to repair06:22
kynesokay, I've taken a look at my packages06:23
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kynesand I only have nvidia-kernel-common installed06:24
kynesno nvidia-glx stuff06:24
kynesI'm always recompiling the driver with NVIDIA's program from the website06:24
kynesand let me paste my xorg.conf06:24
kynesit might help06:24
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kynesthe fontpaths in the "Files" section caused problems06:27
bur[n] erok, all that crap I was talking about beryl working... it doesn't work for me either after restarting X after the new downgrade ;)  i have a kernel & X driver mismatch as well06:27
kynesso I commented them out06:27
kynesbur[n] er : downgrade??06:27
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bur[n] erkynes: the new nvidia-glx package in feisty downgrades to 9631 from 975506:30
aaroncampbellFor anyone that saw my previous questions, and cared, the nVidia 8800GTS needs the nvidia-glx-new package.06:30
aaroncampbellIf you still need the 9755, get the -new package06:31
bur[n] eraaroncampbell: right on, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new... now I wonder what cards go where ;)06:31
aaroncampbellbur[n] er: I can't find any lists...but I know the 8800 is in the -new06:31
TheVaultDoes this happen to anyone else. When your at the splash screen of ubuntu where its loading up, when it gets kinda half way, it just sits there for about a minute or so and then loads up the rest. Is this happening to anyone else?06:31
kynesTheVault : like %30 of the time06:32
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TheVaultAlright, its good to hear its not just me then06:32
kynesI think the actual problem is this..06:32
kyneswhen I don't start my computer with wireless card enabled (ipw3945 card)06:33
kynesubuntu won't start06:33
kynesit just freezes06:33
kynesbut when I enable it, everything's normal :)06:33
kynesTheVault : yes, I was wondering if it was just me too06:34
TheVaultkynes: weird. Well I just noticed it did this slow loading for me, even when I had wireless enabled or not. Weird thing was is that, I have a Broadcom 43xx Chipset Card, and it showed my wifi light lit up when I installed feisty, but it did not pickup signals, so I had to get the firmware thing.06:34
TheVaultNow everything works. So I'm not sure what the problem is but lucky I'm not the only one with this problem. Besides, we are using Beta, so of course there is problems :P06:35
TheVaultBut overall, I LOVE FEISTY!06:35
kynesTheVault : I did not say slow loading is gone.. I just said that Ubuntu could start :) so, sometimes it loads slow06:36
kynesI don't know why06:36
kynesbut it surely happens06:36
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kynesand by the way, I'm on Intel Core2Duo06:36
TheVaultkynes: Yeah. Ubuntu always starts, but it just sits there during the loading for about a minute or so, then it boots up. And yeah, I'm using a Intel Core Solo06:37
bur[n] e1anyone else see this after waiting about 3-5 minutes while looking at a gray box in the top left  --image here--> http://picasaweb.google.com/xburnerx/UbuntuLinuxScreenshots/photo#505183924036308411406:37
kynesand in previous Herds, I encountered numerous CPU soft lockups06:37
TheVaultkynes: Ouch06:37
bur[n] e1TheVault: could it be the same as my issue?  it's only slow between gdm & gnome desktop?  if you use xfce or kde it's fine right?06:38
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kynesand my numerous = a large number.. I could provide the lockup scenario but I'm running a normal system now..06:38
TheVaultbur[x] el: I donno. Thats some weird error and I'm not linux expert. What I'm talking about is when the computer is loading up, like the orange bars showing the load up process. Not the actual desktop itself06:38
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zeroflaghow can I install a specific version of the X nvidia module.06:39
TheVaultSorry to confuse ya. But thats a weird error though06:39
kyneszeroflag : do you have NVIDIA's official package?06:39
kynesfrom their website06:39
bur[n] e1TheVault: no worries, I can't help even if you were seeign the gray box gdm -> gnome slowness, I have two pcs that do it currently06:40
kynesbur[n] e1 : every now and then, I experience an error about gnome-panel06:40
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kynesbur[n] e1 : and restarting X doesn't help06:40
TheVaultAlright peeps, I gotta fly. Chat with ya guys later and thanks kynes for the help :P06:40
kynes:) tell me when you know the answers..06:41
bur[n] e1I have had this problem for about a month... i even reinstalled my feisty via the beta and the error went away for a short period but came back06:41
kynesby the way, what do you use for that dock?06:41
kynesahh no, it's not a dock I see..06:41
bur[n] e1kynes: it's just a gnome-panel in that shot06:43
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Menawhy the knetwork manager told me there is no device06:45
Menathsi happened after an update06:45
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about knetworkmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:48
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:49
AlinuxOSMena, I have some problems too.06:50
AlinuxOSI'm connected but it tells me that there is no Network Connection.06:50
bur[n] eryay, beryl works again with the nvidia-glx-new package06:50
Linbur[n] er: but a new card is needed too.06:51
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bur[n] erLin: i guess... i'll say it again, i have a geforce 620006:53
Linbur[n] er: I havent readed this ;-)06:54
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MenaAlinuxOS, YES06:54
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bur[n] erAlinuxOS: Mena: try clicking the icon and "wired" connection or your wireless network again to make i treconnect06:56
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mon^rchmy internet hangs while booting (but eventually comes up) and then the internet keeps getting dropped. any ideas?06:57
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mipsWhat repo do I enable for skype ?06:58
bur[n] ercan anyone help me get an i810 to display 1440x900 or even 1280x800?06:58
bur[n] ermips: feisty-commercial?06:59
mipsI dont think it is in there06:59
Menabur[n] er, i cant06:59
bur[n] ermips: doesn't skype.com have a deb?  seveas used to make skype debs if i recall, just google for it ;)07:00
mipsYeah, skype does have a .deb07:01
mon^rchmy internet hangs while booting (but eventually comes up) and then the internet keeps getting dropped. any ideas?07:02
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AlinuxOSmips, deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free07:05
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mipsthx! there are so many repos out there with skype07:07
MenaThanks ..Bye07:08
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AndehWhats new in feisty?07:15
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bur[n] erAndeh: read any websites recently?  there are plenty of articles07:15
profoX`How can I disable or remove network-manager and use normal ways to connect to the network07:16
profoX`because my card is not supported in network-manager07:16
profoX`(ADM8211 chipset)07:16
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zulfajuniadiprofoX`: remove network-manager in sessions07:16
profoX`should I just remove the network-manager package altogether?07:16
bur[n] erprofoX`: you sure it's not supported?  just comment everything out of /etc/network/interfaces07:16
profoX`bur[n] er: I am quite sure, yes07:17
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zulfajuniadiprofoX`: systems->preferences->sessions07:17
profoX`bur[n] er: it's not really my card, but I know network-manager doesnt support 50% of the chipsets available07:17
profoX`bur[n] er: and I happen to know that this one is one of those chipsets07:17
profoX`zulfajuniadi: yea thanks07:17
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profoX`zulfajuniadi: and are you sure that that will stop network-manager completely? it seems to me that that is just the applet (nm-applet)07:18
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zulfajuniadiyes, that is just the applet profoX`, try removing it through apt. only network-manager-gnome is dependant on it07:21
bigmichihey leute07:24
bigmichiwieso is der udpate server so lahm o.O07:24
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peter77I've installed a couple of programs in wine but I can't figure out how or where to launch them from07:25
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bur[n] erpeter77: they don't show up in your menu?07:25
user__hi all! I got a problem w a Feisty that hangs (black screen) when pushing the eject cd button. Running nonfree nvidia drivers.. any  suggestions?07:26
zulfajuniadipeter77: sudo killall gnome-panel, see if it shows07:26
bigmichioh sorry is english channel ^^07:26
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bigmichiwhy is de updateserver slow =(07:26
bigmichii dowload only with 100kb/sek07:26
bigmichii can 3,1MB/sek downloading ;)07:26
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user__anyone? I got a problem w a Feisty that hangs (black screen) when pushing the eject cd button. Running nonfree nvidia drivers.. any  suggestions?07:32
tebi just read an article about feisty fawn and the gnome control center...can anyone point me in the direction of that thing?  i can't see it07:32
zulfajuniaditeb: system -> preferences -> control center07:33
tebheh, wonder why i don't have that07:33
zulfajuniaditeb have you updated since installation? or maybe it's hidden, try alacarte07:34
Amaranthit's hidden07:34
Amaranththat's GNOME 2.20 stuff07:34
zulfajuniadiuser__: if you use the xorg's nv driver doed this happen also?07:34
zulfajuniadiuser__: *does07:35
tebyeah it was hidden07:35
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user__zulfajuniadi: havent tried that yet.. it's for a friend and he wont tolerate slow graphics.. maybe i'll install xp on his machine instead.. might be better..07:38
zulfajuniadiuser__: try it first and see if it's the driver that's causing the problem (though i'd doubt it has anything to do with ejevt)07:39
zulfajuniadiuser__: have you tried the eject command from the terminal?07:39
user__zulfajuniadi: thnx! two good suggestions to get me started.. i'll try those later tonight..07:40
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netmon1Anyone using a Dell E1705 or E1505 that can get suspend/hibernate working?07:43
johnnybuoydoes anyone have SD card reader to test bug #53268 N07:43
ubotuMalone bug 53268 in linux-source-2.6.15 "On Thinkpad X60s and Z60 SD card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5326807:43
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tebokay, i'm great at breaking stuff, can someone give me the properties info on the control center from alacarte07:44
Amaranthit just launches 'gnome-control-center'07:44
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zulfajuniadijohnnybuoy: i can confirm it, i have the card reader in my nx612007:47
johnnybuoycool, can you plz comment on the bug that this happens to you in feisty? or have you allready?07:47
zulfajuniadiyes, i'll comment it07:48
zdzichuBGisn't this a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/53923 ?07:48
ubotuMalone bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not working" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:48
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johnnybuoythe card reader is working07:49
johnnybuoybut the card doesn't get automounted07:49
johnnybuoyand I have a ricoh card reader07:49
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zdzichuBGah sorry, myt z61t has tifm07:49
Askarrecent updates totally broke something!  It can no longer find my wlancard! its a dlink g650+07:50
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poningruAskar: hmm?07:51
johnnybuoyI am changing the bug to HAL, because linux-source-2.6.15 is stupid07:52
johnnybuoythis is feisty07:52
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johnnybuoyzulfajuniadi, do you have the rights to change the bug description?07:53
Askarponingru: recent updates totally broke something!  ubuntu can no longer find my wlancard! its a dlink g650+07:53
johnnybuoythe description is not good, this is not only on thinkpads, but I would guess more on ricoh card readers07:53
zulfajuniadijohnnybuoy: no, sadly i don't :(07:54
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Askarsomeone know what could have happened?07:56
awkhi allz07:57
johnnybuoyzulfajuniadi, you have a ricoh cardreader also?07:57
zulfajuniadiyes, the one with sd, mmc, and xd all in one07:58
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johnnybuoythat's the one07:59
zulfajuniadiit use to work great on dapper and edgy tho...08:00
johnnybuoyI don't know, this laptop is brand new.08:00
zulfajuniadimine also, i upgraded ubuntu version breezy -> dapper -> edgy -> feisty, just to see which supports my lappy the most by default. At last i settled for feisty, because i don't use the card reader that much :)08:03
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zulfajuniadierks, seems like i _do_ have the rights to change the description. what should i change it to?08:06
zulfajuniadibut not the actual title though...08:07
johnnybuoywell, you shuld change it to ricoh card reader is not automounted when card is inserted08:08
johnnybuoyor something like that08:08
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zulfajuniadiyw eean :)08:10
eeanhello! :)08:11
eeananyways, if I switch to and from firefox quickly it crashes08:11
zulfajuniadidoes this happen on firefox only or other windows as well?08:12
eeanjust firefox08:12
eeanI guess this means it isn't a "oh yea, everyone has that" issue :)08:12
zulfajuniadiif it is only on firefox, did it happen just after you upgraded, or did it happen since you installed it?08:12
eeanwell it didn't happen in Edgy for sure08:12
eeanI can't quite think how long its been happening in Feisty08:13
eeandoesn't seem like its always been like this08:13
zulfajuniadiwhat crashed? x11 or ff?08:13
eean(upgraded to Feisty last month)08:13
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zulfajuniadii assume you're using
vyddhey, this thing works :)08:14
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eeanif its the newest, then yea :)08:14
eeanpfft I tried doing it right now it didn't work08:15
zulfajuniadisearching for bug...08:16
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zulfajuniadieean: is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/9644608:18
ubotuMalone bug 96446 in firefox "Firefox crashes often when switching from an application to it" [High,Needs info] 08:18
eeanmaybe I can work on the 'needs info' :)08:19
zulfajuniadiif it is then it's good if you can report it08:19
zulfajuniadi:), yes08:19
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zulfajuniaditry this, ofen firefox through terminal, and waits for it to crash, see the error message (if any)08:19
zulfajuniadidarn, my english is getting rusty...08:20
eeanyea there is08:20
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eeanits an assert about something not being a gobject08:20
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eean(Gecko:11189): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed08:20
zulfajuniadipaste that in the comment. then you've worked on 'needs info'08:21
zulfajuniadimeanwhile, try using swiftfox and see if that also crashes08:22
eeandoes it not have a package?08:22
zulfajuniadiactually i use automatix2 (though it's not recommended by many)08:23
zulfajuniadii use automatix2 to install it08:23
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zulfajuniadifrom http://www.getautomatix.com/08:24
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mastertsunamiwhats up with ssh connecting via IP being slow as molasses? i've already disabled ipv6 :/08:26
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zdzichuBGmastertsunami: missing reverse dns?08:29
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zulfajuniadimastertsunami: I don't know if this helps: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.308:31
johnficcaevery time I try to open my xorg.conf using sudo it doesn't work, then with I logout I can't log back in and I have to restart my computer...what is up?08:32
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zulfajuniadijohnficca: did you use sudo gedit?08:33
zulfajuniadidoes it hang or something?08:34
johnficcait hangs and never opens08:35
zulfajuniadierror message(s)?08:35
johnficcaWhen I try to log back in I get a brown screen with a white/grey box in the upper left08:36
johnficcabut its says nothing08:36
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johnficcazulfajuniadi: have you heard of this problem?08:38
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zulfajuniadiyes, it happend in my laptop once johnficca, but then ubuntu automatically starts without a problem08:38
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johnficcathis is a thinkpad t40 ubuntu 7.04 beta08:39
zulfajuniadimy laptop is compaq nx612008:40
johnficcathere where some update this morning that I installed I think it might had someting to do with it08:40
netmon1Does Ubuntu not have the ability to auto arrange desktop icons08:42
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gemidjyin Kubuntu Feisty will/is there (be) a way to activate Beryl as easy as in Ubuntu Feisty ?08:42
zulfajuniadinetmon1: right-click -> clean up by name08:43
netmon1zulfajuniadi, what about when I put in a CD, anyway to make it automatically go to the bottom08:44
netmon1rather than under or over another icon08:44
zulfajuniadierr... no idea netmon108:44
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aaroncampbellDoes anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?08:54
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cablesI've used Automatix2 on my system, but I've removed it and everything it installed. Should I just not even try an online upgrade?08:58
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mastertsunamithanks zdzichuBG and zulfajuniadi, i will try those suggestions08:59
PepetideoHi... I am trying to connect my psp to ubuntu but am not having much luck09:00
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Pepetideoanyone can help?09:00
Pepetideowhen i connect it the first time it showed up as a icon on the desktop09:01
Pepetideobut I could not transfer anything to it09:01
Pepetideoi then changed the mount point on the option and now it really does not work :S09:02
zulfajuniadiPepetideo: do you know by any chance what's the file system psp uses? maybe thats the problem?09:07
Pepetideonot really09:07
Pepetideodo not know09:07
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marshallhey guys09:12
marshallmy totem-gstreamer always asks me to search for suitable codecs when i try to play most of my videos, even though i always install the proper codecs, totem seems unable to find them the next time i use it09:13
marshallthe videos are also choppy in totem, but play perfectly in mplayer09:14
marshallits a dilly of a pickle09:14
zulfajuniadihave you installed ugly and bad?09:15
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shirishhi all from some reason I am not able to log into freenode with GAIM, can anybody tell me why?09:23
shirishI am able to go on to gnome server & debian server without any issues09:23
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shirishcancel that, I am in.09:23
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shiris1hi all, sorry for that mixup09:25
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Tomghi, does anyone have an acer aspire 9300 laptop by any chance?09:25
shirishdoes anybody how to remove a package by aptitude while at the same time removing the configure file of it.09:26
Tomgshirish purge09:27
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shirishTomg:  should it should be sudo aptitude purge <packagename> ?09:28
shirishTomg: or just sudo purge <packagename>09:28
Tomgaptitude purge09:28
shirishTomg: ok thnx09:28
eagles0513875i need to extract an ini from an exe how do i do that09:28
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Tomgeagles0513875: install it using wine? cabextract if its a self executing cab?09:29
eagles0513875im using 64 bit version which they dont have wine fore09:29
eagles0513875is there another way besides using wine09:30
shirishTomg: I am having issues un-installing or removing deluge 0.5.1 , but it showed once removed, but it is still there & it is not being removed, any ideas?09:30
eagles0513875and is there the ntfs3g pkg for 64bit09:30
eagles0513875nm i found it09:31
Tomgeagles0513875 : cabextract? what prog is it?09:31
aaroncampbellDoes anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?09:31
eagles0513875its my wifi driver09:31
eagles0513875ill go ahead and install it in windows09:31
eagles0513875and then get it from driver folder in windows09:31
Tomgshirish : what do you mean its still there?09:31
Tomgeagles0513875 : might b easiest, or reactos :D09:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about reactos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:32
eagles0513875what is reactos09:32
shirishTomg: the name of the package is actually deluge, and it still is there in the menu, it is functioning, I want to remove it completely09:32
eagles0513875what is cabextract do09:32
Tomgextracts cab files09:33
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shirishTomg: while doing deluge --version shows the version 0.5.1 the sudo aptitude show deluge throws up nothing09:33
Tomgreactos is an opens source windows clone09:33
Tomgshirish : try reinstalling then uninstalling09:33
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shirishTomg: damn, ok cool09:34
Tomgyea lol, it even runs ut2004 :p09:35
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tebTomg doesn't everything run ut2004?09:35
shirishTomg: I had actually pulled the file from subversion, built the whole damn thing, just to realize he had made couple of debs ready to be used.09:35
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eagles0513875ut 2k4 is linux compatable09:35
Tomgteb : lol i think the bsd's are still catching up :p09:35
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Tomgshirish: lol, cant you do a make uninstall then?09:36
eagles0513875i have the ndiswrapper front end but from some reason it wont load09:36
eagles0513875y wont it load09:36
tebtomg lol i guess so, next comes solaris09:37
Tomgteb: lol go into the light of the sun!09:37
h3sp4wnTomg: You can run ut2004 on bsd fine09:38
h3sp4wnfreebsd anyway09:38
Tomgh3sp4wn: cool, didnt know that09:38
shirishTomg: thanx, that one did the trick, just installing & then uninstalling09:39
h3sp4wnTomg: 32bit anyway - 64 bit alot less likely09:39
Tomgshirish : gdgd :p09:40
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jimmy_anyone know a good usb audio device to use thats supported? i need something for my laptop09:40
gemidjy in Kubuntu Feisty will/is there (be) a way to activate Beryl as easy as in Ubuntu Feisty ?09:40
shirishTomg:- how do i remove non-empty directories I am using sudo rmdir glade, it says not empty, what should I do?09:40
Tomgh3sp4wn : can you run 32 bit apps on a 64 bit host? im considering a 64 bit laptop atm09:40
Tomgshirish : i just use rm -r, or maybe rm -R, try both09:41
Tomgshirish : with the sudo09:41
h3sp4wnTomg: On linux will be fine09:41
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shirishTomg: yup that one is also done, seems like rmdir got deprecated sometime back09:42
h3sp4wnTomg: Sometimes you need a chroot most of the time you can get by with either a statically linked version or the stuff in ia32-libs09:43
Tomgh3sp4wn: oh gdgd thnx09:43
sacaterIf anyone here is having trouble with their monitor, please say so09:44
h3sp4wn(ut2004 is also native 24 bit)09:44
Tomg24 :S09:44
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Tomgshirish : lol i never knew rmdir existed :D09:44
mifritschercan apt blacklist packets?09:45
shirishTomg: I had played with linux long time back about 4-5 yrs. back when Mandrake was a new baby.09:45
mifritschere.g. the module apache2 from 7.04 doesn't work with the php-modules from dotdeb (these are compiled for apache 2.0)?09:45
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Tomgshirish : i only came into the light last august lol :D09:46
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shirishTomg: then at that time it was still too much work, as it is still today but things have improved over time.09:47
LeeJunFananyone else noticing that recently hal decides to quietly unmount external media, then won't remount it after removing and reattaching?09:47
shirishOk now anybody here a pastebin lover/expert?09:47
Tomgshirish: lol beryl is enough to bring anyone away from windows :P09:47
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mifritscherah, and why can't I play mp3 when updated from 6.10 to 7.04?09:48
TheVaultIs Freenode.net not working in Ubuntu for some reason?09:48
shirishnope, it was not that, my system cannot handle beryl, plain vanilla 1.8 ghz with 8 mb i845 chipset09:48
TomgLeeJunFan : yes! i got that! i thought it was my card reader playing up!09:48
shirishTheVault: did u also have problems signing in Vault?09:49
shirishTheVault: through GAIM?09:49
TheVaultYeah. Through Gaim & Chatzilla09:49
TheVaultNeither of them are allowing me to connect09:49
shirishTheVault: I had not been able to sign in the whole of today, then just before used Chatzilla, it allowed me to connect, and then GAIM followed, somethings afoot09:50
TheVaultIm back in windows xp and im using chatzilla right now and im in here09:50
squirei wrecked a monitor trying to set up slackware years ago :/09:50
shirishsquire: sad to hear that squire09:50
TheVaultshirish: Well glad to see someone else is having the same problem. I wonder if it was one of the updates?09:50
shirishTheVault: that could very well have been.09:51
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squireit was all el mucho trial and error seat of pants stuff09:51
TheVaultYesterday, when I first installed Ubuntu, I have 282 updates to download and install.  Today I had 83 downloads to install. I'm like NO WAY09:51
TheVaultUpdates I mean09:51
neildarlowTheVault: and you point is?09:51
shirishTheVault: that is the meaning of being a beta-tester09:51
squirefeisty is a revelation09:51
TheVaultshirish: Yeah thats true09:52
TheVaultneildarlow: Just trying to figure out the problem of why I cannot connect to freenode.net from Ubuntu. Gaim nor Chatzilla won't let me in09:52
zulfajuniadiTheVault: try 654 updates... :)... took two days and still smiling...09:52
shirishok guys, anybody knows where to find changelog of a program, changelog with date, version etc.09:52
TheVaultzulfajuniadi: Whoa09:52
zdzichuBGshirish: /usr/share/doc/program-name/09:52
shirishzulfajuniadi: completed something like 1/2 a dvd of updates from beta09:53
shirishzdzichuBG: thanx, will try that route09:53
TheVaultIs there any other IRC clients besides Chatzilla & Gaim?09:53
neildarlowmy motherboard has a SIS5513 IDE chipset. the sis5513 module is being used although i would expect pata_sis to be used. is this correct?09:53
zulfajuniadiyeah shirish, my install cd was herd 209:53
phaidrospulseaudio suc**09:53
shirishzulfajuniadi: so that much more pain as well as learning09:53
TheVaultWhat other IRC clients are there besides Chatzilla & Gaim?09:54
zulfajuniadiTheVault: xchat09:54
phaidrosTheVault: xchat09:54
phaidrosTheVault: irssi09:54
TheVaultIs that a better client than Chatzilla & Gaim?09:54
zulfajuniadishirish: beta testing... heehhh09:54
mifritschertelnet *g*09:54
phaidrosxchat is nice09:54
TheVaultalright, i'll install xchat09:54
phaidrosirssi is good in the terminal09:54
TheVaultsudo apt-get install xchat right?09:54
zulfajuniadixchat... clean and lean...09:55
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TheVaultalright. Lemme boot back into Ubuntu and i'll give it a whirl09:55
squirexchat gnome is ok09:55
zulfajuniadithough i do miss mirc slaps... :P09:55
phaidrosanyone here pulseaudio experiences?09:55
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BetaWhat do I need for bluetooth support?09:56
squirei have a windows (fx:washes mouth out) box for mirc09:56
shirishzdzichuBG: the changelog is in .gz there I dont want to extract it, just read it, anyway possible?09:56
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phaidroswhen pulseaudio ist started no app can use the sound device. tried some howtos but those fail also for me. pulseaudio always complains about missing modules. once its running, it blocks the sounddevice.09:56
cablesWhen do they update the list of printers in CUPS?09:56
neildarlowBeta: i just installed gnome-bluetooth09:56
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squirebeta: fairly recent h/w and 2.6 kernel09:57
cablesMy printer has been out for a while, it's listed on linuxprinting.org and it's supported by a driver that's included in Ubuntu. But still, its model number doesn't show up in Feisty's add printer list.09:57
BetaGnome-bluetooth? Package or ware?09:57
shirishcables: there were some updates today for the printing thing09:57
zulfajuniadiBeta: yes,the kernel modules should be enabled by default, so you shouldn't have any problems :)09:57
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neildarlowBeta: package09:57
shirishguys anyway to see the changelog without uncompressing it first?09:58
neildarlowshirish: bzless09:58
squirei have an older BT  belkin dongle which isn't recognised but a newer one that is09:58
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cablesshirish, ooh really? sweet!09:58
cablesshirish, time to boot up the feisty vm09:58
shirishneildarlow: bzless is that a program?09:59
phaidrosshirish: less09:59
neildarlowshirish: yes. bzless changelog.bz209:59
phaidros(less is capable of .gz)09:59
tebso, the very top bar is missing in all my gnome applications, anyone have any idea what's going on?09:59
concept10phaidros, i wish I knew the purpose of pulse audio at this point09:59
h3sp4wnno need you can just use less if you setup lesspipe09:59
tebright above the file | edit | etc09:59
neildarlowphaidros: are they still .gz? how quaint10:00
phaidrosconcept10: replaces esd and gets the whole sound backend to gstreamer, imho. is highly configureable10:00
BetaSo, our beloved beta shall soon be released?10:00
phaidrosneildarlow: I guess o.O10:00
concept10phaidros, and what backend does esd use?10:00
phaidrosthere is pulseaudio-esdcompat10:01
phaidrosreplaces esd10:01
sacaterim using ubuntu with xfce compiled on top, would that affect the display in any way?10:01
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concept10okay... I thought alsa was the backend for pretty much everything these days10:01
phaidroshi TheVault10:01
TheVaultThere we go10:01
TheVaultWhoa, xchat is a heck of alot better10:01
phaidrosconcept10: obviously not, I'd like to see jack as the standard backend though10:01
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concept10phaidros, me too.10:01
TheVaultWhere are the names of people who are in this chat?10:01
TheVaultI don't see that here10:01
concept10on the right, you have to open it up10:02
neildarlowTheVault: click the XXX Users icon :)10:02
BetaSo, what do I have to do to get a Belkin Bluetooth USB dogle to work?10:02
TheVaultWhere at?10:02
neildarlowBeta: plug it in and it should work10:02
zulfajuniadiTheVault: bottom left, just above the lag10:02
phaidrosconcept10: and all apps have alot of different flavors t ouse sound .. liboa, gstreamer, gconf, /etc/app.conf, asoundrc, not to forget arts .. so pulseaudio is imho thought to provide a solution to use all of those without conflicting with each other .. but doesn't work here :/10:02
BetaIts just blinking.10:02
TheVaultStill don't see it.10:03
phaidrosTheVault: maybe the column is to narrow10:03
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concept10phaidros, i need to get a clear understanding of all of these backend APIs.. im trying to build an embedded device that does DSP using LADSPA or VSTs10:03
neildarlowBeta: just send something from your phone or use nautilus to send a file to your phone10:03
phaidrosconcept10: good luck with that! once you know you could provide a tutorial :D10:04
TheVaultWell on the left, I see the main server & the channels that I'm currently in10:04
squirethevault: ctrl-u10:04
neildarlowTheVault: do you see 272 Users in bottom left of screen10:04
TheVaultHere is a screenshot10:04
shirishdid u try the ctrl+u thing10:04
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concept10phaidros, well right now, im not so much worrying about the backend (i should be).. im trying to get it to boot in under 8 secs.10:05
zulfajuniadiresize your right edge TheVault10:05
TheVaultyeah, the ctrl+u don't do nothing10:05
phaidrosconcept10: what will it be?10:05
TheVaultThere we go10:05
TheVaultthe right side was to far to the right10:05
phaidros22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow10:05
phaidros22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow10:05
phaidros22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow10:05
phaidros22:07 < phaidros> TheVault: maybe the column is to narrow10:06
TheVaultphaidros: Yeah I fixed it. Your suggestion is right, the narrow part10:06
phaidrosooops, sorry :)10:06
squireis there an echo inhere? :)10:06
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aaroncampbellDoes anyone know of a way to use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD burner on Kubuntu Feisty?10:06
TheVaultwhat does that do?10:06
concept10phaidros, imagine an effects box/processor that you turn on and have almost instant access to LADSPA effects.  Im going to have hardware controls (like knobs).  Still trying to decide on the screen.10:06
BetaHeck, I'm still trying to get my DVD player to work.10:07
phaidrosconcept10: sounds good. have a website already?10:07
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zulfajuniadiaaroncampbell: try automatix2 (not recommended by many, but works for me :P)10:07
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h3sp4wn!works for me10:07
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.10:07
zulfajuniadihes, h3sp4wn10:07
zeroflagI'm having trouble getting the same NVIDIA kernel module version as X module version... is there any package I could just install? :/10:07
shirishThe Vault: I do not know but from the debian changelog it seems nothing moved in GAIM after 29th March.10:07
shirishTheVault: there is the possibility though that some other package might be interfering10:08
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BetaAny need to have apps or packages for fiesty?10:08
jcolegain keeps freezing on me10:08
BetaThat aren't part of the basic install.10:09
BetaGain or Gaim?10:09
jcoleand evolution10:09
concept10phaidros, no website yet, im still doing planning.  Right now I see the best thing to do is use Linux BIOS with a small X server and busybox10:09
h3sp4wnBeta: You are offering to make packages ?10:09
jcoleand firefox10:09
jcolei thought the last feisty upgrade might fix my problems, but they didn't10:09
concept10h3sp4wn, have you ever mucked around with kdrive or tinyX ?10:09
BetaNo, I'm asking for suggestions. I don't have time to take up another project. But if I had time, money, etc, I would love to work on something like this.10:09
jcolei should probably reinstall edgy until after fesity is stabilized10:10
mastertsunamiit's pretty stable :/10:10
mastertsunamiwell, imho which doesn't count for much :)10:10
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crimsunjcole: we release in 9 days. I don't imagine that much will change.10:10
BetaIts is indeed rather stable.10:10
h3sp4wnconcept10: No - played with qtopia I think its called a bit10:11
h3sp4wnconcept10: was called qt embedded10:11
concept10phaidros, if you want to see this short boot in action watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuzRsXKm_NQ  its about 6-7 secs.10:12
jcolecrimsun: not for me... it think it may have to do with me removing network-manager10:13
jcolecrimsun: my networking is sloooow if i have network-manager installed10:13
crimsunjcole: I think you're responding to Beta?10:13
shirishjcole: there is just an update to network-manager, actually there have been 2-3 updates to it already10:14
jcolecrimsun: oh yeah, sorry, lol10:14
jcoleliferea doesn't even start10:14
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shirishjcole: perhaps you should try to install the RC one, releasing tomorrow & then share your views10:14
jcole$ liferea10:15
jcolelibnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files10:15
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Ayabarahas anyone tried truecrypt on feisty? should the .deb for edgy work?10:15
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jcolei'll bet this is affecting my whole system!10:15
zeroflaghow am I supposed to get these nvidia drivers to work?10:15
gharzguys, what's the Enable Roaming Mode in network manager for?10:16
aaroncampbellzulfajuniadi: It seems that automatix is just a way to install stuff?10:16
shirishgharz: to find any wireless networks, monkeys etc. near you.10:16
jcoleso, network-manager is now an absolute must have to have a working system?10:16
gharzand i'm having problem with my wifi connection whenever i start my system... it doesn't connect to the network which i set up (profile).10:16
h3sp4wnjcole: Definately not10:16
zulfajuniadiyes aaroncampbell10:16
zulfajuniadiyes aaroncampbell, a lot of useful and fun stuff...10:17
gharzshirish, it's currently unticked... if i untick it i didn't see any difference10:17
jcoleh3sp4wn: try to remove it for a day10:17
h3sp4wnjcole: I never installed it10:17
shirishgharz: are u on wired or wireless?10:17
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choudeshthere may be another bug in network-manager.10:17
jcoleh3sp4wn: it's now part of the ubuntu feisty meta package10:18
jimmy_anyone know a good usb audio device to use thats supported? i need something for my laptop10:18
h3sp4wnjcole: do a cli install and install what you want (not what ubuntu-desktop or whatever thinks you want)10:18
shirishgharz: then you are lucky if you are able to perceive them with & without the roaming on10:18
choudeshI let me computer sit with wireless on and network-manager running, battery time - 2:43, with wireless on and no network-manager, 3:4510:18
h3sp4wnjcole: its not in xubuntu-desktop wither10:18
shirishgharz: some people do not.10:18
aaroncampbellzulfajuniadi: well, that's not going to help me use the lightscribe capabilities of my DVD Burner, unless I know what I need to use it...10:18
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zulfajuniadiaaroncampbell: there are description in there...10:18
shirishchoudesh: the extra battery goes into scanning the networks & areas around10:18
gharzshirish, i already created a profile (static configuration) but it doesn't use my profile... it always connects to another network. i still have to select it in the network manager...10:18
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jcoleh3sp4wn: can you run liferea?10:19
choudeshshirish, roam was on with network-manager off10:19
tebrielis all of gnome in ubuntu installed under ubuntu-desktop ?10:19
gharzshirish, and run iwconfig eth1 ESSID "my network" to connect to my wifi10:19
h3sp4wnjcole: what is that ?10:19
choudeshshirish, iwconfig eth1 essid roam is the same as network-manager does10:19
shirishgharz: ok guys, I am no wireless expert10:19
jcoleh3sp4wn: linux rss feed reader10:19
gharzso far this is the only problem i encountered with feisty10:19
jcoleh3sp4wn: that is just an example10:19
jcoleh3sp4wn: i get this error -> libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files10:20
h3sp4wnjcole: I could but I don't want all that gnome stuff10:20
h3sp4wnjcole: Or maybe I couldn't10:20
jcoleh3sp4wn: perhaps gnome-ified apps have a network-manager depends10:20
shirishchoudesh: gharz: the best would be to do the updates, if you guys run into problems, report them in a bug-report which u think is not right.10:20
h3sp4wnjcole: Thats nasty - I really don't think such stuff should be forced10:20
Ayabarain general, is it likely that a .deb for 6.10 will work on 7.04?10:21
gharzshirish, i still can't post this coz i want to verify first in this room to see if this is really a bug or i just need to tweak some things.10:21
h3sp4wnAyabara: rebuild it10:21
shirishgharz: sorry I am on wired now, played with wireless some-time back hence things are little bit hazy there, getting old10:21
gharzjust fyi, i just upgraded my edgy to feisty... this wasn't a clean install10:21
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gradingharz thats probably because feisty is still a dev build10:22
Ayabarah3sp4wn, ok. I have the source. just wanted to know if it was worth trying :-)10:22
jcoleh3sp4wn: network-manager is a dependency of *evolution*... wtf?10:22
gharzgradin, most probably10:22
h3sp4wnAyabara: apt-get -b source10:22
zulfajuniadigharz... what wireless card are you using?10:22
h3sp4wnAyabara: etc etc -10:22
gharzzulfajuniadi, intel pro wireless 210010:22
h3sp4wnjcole: even xubuntu-desktop has alot of junk attached (zero conf networking and other useless stuff)10:23
zulfajuniadigharz: does your laptop have a hardware wireless switch?10:23
gharzi'm even surprised because i'm having 2 network icons in the system tray ... network manager and network connection status.10:23
shirishgharz: that one is supposed to be actually good supported10:23
gharzzulfajuniadi, i'm not sure if it has a switch... i think there's none.10:23
jcoleh3sp4wn: actually, it a suggest... the ubuntu "task" must also select suggests?10:23
concept10h3sp4wn, yep, that's why I don't use any of those *-desktop packages.10:24
zulfajuniadigharz: no buttons or anything to enable wireless?10:24
gharzzulfajuniadi, none.10:24
h3sp4wnconcept10: I don't either10:24
concept10h3sp4wn, and thats also why I complain about meta-packages.  auto-remove wants to remove all of the stuff you still have installed10:24
h3sp4wnconcept10: Cannot work out why my fonts look grap10:25
gharzzulfajuniadi, nothing.10:25
h3sp4wnconcept10: s/grap/crap10:25
gharzzulfajuniadi, i'm using dell inspiron 510m10:25
zulfajuniadican you see other networks around gharz? i mean can the card detect it?10:25
concept10h3sp4wn, what window manager are you using?10:25
h3sp4wnconcept10: xfce10:25
jcoleh3sp4wn: ah, ubuntu-desktop is dependent on network-manager-gnome which is dependent on network-manager10:25
gharzzulfajuniadi, yes... it detects other networks.10:25
concept10h3sp4wn, are some of them huge?10:26
h3sp4wnconcept10: Not really just blurred10:26
zulfajuniadijust by clicking on the network doesn't make it work?10:26
h3sp4wnconcept10: set the dpi right (was hardcoded at 100dpi - its a bit better)10:26
gharzzulfajuniadi, it detects and connects to other network when i start ubuntu... eventhough i created a profile (static configuration) in network manager10:26
h3sp4wnconcept10: just as bad in e1710:27
gharzzulfajuniadi, it doesn't connect to the network by clicking... i still have to type iwconfig eth1 ESSID "<my network>" to connect to my network.10:27
h3sp4wnconcept10: Looks fine from just xinit though10:27
zulfajuniadigharz: have you tried manually selecting the network from network manager? does it work/10:27
h3sp4wnconcept10: (just an xterm open)10:27
gharzzulfajuniadi, yes i tried but it doesn't connect.10:27
concept10h3sp4wn, im not sure.  I currently use a mix between GNOME and Xfce.  I would switch to Xfce but the font situation is screwed up and Im too lazy to figure it out.10:27
gharzzulfajuniadi, i still need to type that iwconfig thing.10:27
zulfajuniadigharz: are you sure the network you are trying to connect is ok, i mean dhcp running perfectly and all?10:28
concept10h3sp4wn, I have GDM running, with Metacity but for the desktop, I have remove Nautilus and use xfdesktop and Thunar10:28
h3sp4wnconcept10: I am not too lazy to figure it out I don't know how to figure it out - I could rebuild xcb / cairo / freetype (newer versions)10:29
gharzyes... it's my own network and i set it up. there was no problem when i was using edgy. by the way, i hide my network/ESSID. .. meaning i need to set a static configuration for my wireless to show my own network.10:29
gharzzulfajuniadi, and i'm currently connected to my network right now.10:29
concept10h3sp4wn, can you post a screenshot?10:29
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zulfajuniadigharz: after youve configured it manually, it still doesn't work?10:30
gharzzulfajuniadi, it doesn't. unless i run the iwconfig thing.10:30
h3sp4wnconcept10: any idea of an image pastebin ?10:31
gharzzulfajuniadi, my startup program shows it runs nm --sm-disable10:31
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zulfajuniadigharz: a quick workaround, try adding the iwconfig thingi in sessions so that it automatically starts on boot10:31
gharzzulfajuniadi, there are no icons in the system tray... one is the network manager and the other one is that network connection status10:31
concept10h3sp4wn, imageshack.us10:31
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gharzzulfajuniadi, sorry... i'm not that good... where can i find that?10:32
zulfajuniadisystem -> preferences -> sessions10:32
zulfajuniadiclick new10:32
h3sp4wnconcept10: http://openwrt.vcp-springe.de/experimental/h3sp4wn/screenshot.png10:32
zulfajuniadiput in any name, and in the command put in the iwconfig thingie10:32
h3sp4wnconcept10: forgot I had space there10:32
gharzzulfajuniadi, do i need to put gksudo or simply iwconfig eth1 ESSID "<my network>"?10:33
zulfajuniadigharz: gksudo10:33
gharzzulfajuniadi, thanks. let me try that now. hold on. i'll just reboot10:34
capiirahi all anyone know where i can get the feisty kernel source for linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic? so i can compile it by myself10:34
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BetaThere is a Kubuntu Fiesty build, right?10:36
Admiral_ChicagoBeta: yup, i'm using it now10:37
BetaThough so, thanks.10:37
shirishok guys on xchat now, network manager has changed its outlook little bit with the latest build10:37
shirishanybody knows any packages to beautiful xchat or not?10:37
capiirai find it beautiful enough10:38
concept10h3sp4wn, brb, i changed my hostname and no applications will start10:38
BetaIs beyrl really worth it>?10:38
colbertWill I be able to ugprade Feisty over Edgy or is a fresh install recommended?10:39
jepeltwcolbert, you can upgrade10:39
colbertBeta: I use Beryl, what do you mean precisely ?10:39
zulfajuniadiBeta: yes, if you have the hardware10:39
BetaJust looking for opinions.10:39
colbertjepeltw: ok thanks10:40
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colbertBeta: Beryl is wonderful, very very useful for multitasking, looks nice and brings desktop alive in many ways, I love it10:41
BetaAre they going to make the desktop effects more stable in the final release?10:41
shirishok guys going back to GAIM for the moment10:41
jepeltwis there any way to run KNetworkManager in a verbose mode so I can see what it's doing? It refuses to work here while configuring manually with wpa_supplicant works10:41
colbertBeta: I used it on XGL with my ATI card for a while and XGL is just terrible. I recently got a nVidia card and it's a whole nother story, now Beryl is 100% mint10:42
elvirolohi, any news about the system freezes ?10:42
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shirishhmm.... there seems to be some issue with GAIM as far as freenode is concerned, it is still not showing up10:43
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shirishanybody having the same issue?10:45
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zeroflaghow can I get an up-to-date nvidia kernel module? the one in feisty is outdated and nvidia's X module with the same version won't install.10:46
TheVaultshirish: You said earlier that when ubuntu is at the splash screen, that it would wait about a minute and then load up right?10:46
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shirishTheVault: I never had the opportunity to look at the boot splash screen10:47
TheVaultshirish: Never mind, must have been someone else I was chatting with then, sorry10:48
shirishTheVault: the only way I was able to know is through the LED tracking10:48
shirishTheVault: the LED which blinks & shows HDD activity10:48
TheVaultOh ok10:48
TheVaultI think I got you confused with someone elese10:48
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shirishthats ok I get people confused all the time :)10:49
concept10changing my hostname caused my system not to load any apps.10:49
concept10h3sp4wn, so what have you done so far?10:49
TheVaultHas anyone been using Wine in feisty? And if so, how good does it work?10:49
concept10TheVault, no one can really answer the question "How good it works."  in my experience, it has worked fine, how good, I dont know, depends on the application10:51
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h3sp4wnconcept10: tried allowing nvidia-glx to set the dpi (which it calculates wrong) / setting Xft.dpi: 96 in ~/.config/xfce4 - forcing 96x96 dpi in xorg.conf10:51
h3sp4wnstopped 100dpi being forced (as that looks even more wrong than it is currently)10:52
concept10yeah, im using 96dpi also.. it makes my titlebars small though: http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrb0.png10:54
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h3sp4wnI prefer smaller titlebars (waste of space otherwise)10:55
concept10yeah, they come huge by default in ubuntu10:55
h3sp4wnIts definately not right on either though10:56
concept10h3sp4wn, so you are using xfwm4 ?10:57
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cablesYay, what an informative topic.10:57
h3sp4wnconcept10: yep currently (don't want to bring e17 into the mix really)10:57
cablesNow I don't need to ask any questions!10:57
h3sp4wnconcept10: as if it was wrong with e17 it could be its bug10:58
shirishI like the new improved network-manager, it gives stats :)10:58
shirish+1 from me10:58
cablesshirish, new and improved since when?10:58
cablesshirish, today's updates?10:58
shirishcables: yup10:58
cablesooh, yay10:58
cablesinstalling now10:58
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cablesslow as hell on my VM though, which has crappy HD access speeds10:58
PriceChildgreg_g, nvidia-glx-new contains 975510:59
cablesit took me 3 hours to install!10:59
PriceChildgregorovius, ^10:59
cables(the original os)10:59
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PriceChildgregorovius, nvidia-glx is 9631, and -legacy is 718410:59
cablesshirish, what do you mean by stats?10:59
gregoroviuswhy is nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new different packages? is the newer driver incompatible with some cards?11:00
concept10h3sp4wn, im not exactly sure about the config for xfwm4, reading docs now.  That's why I stayed with the mix between GDM and the Xfce apps11:00
shirishcables: by stats meaning how much data is going & incoming, in Mb & Kb respectively11:00
concept10h3sp4wn, I talked with some xfce devels and they know about some of the problems with the fonts, but I got really no help in resolving it11:00
shirishcables: also gives status as in idle or sending/receiving11:00
cablesshirish, the status monitor has that, but it's nice that it'll be in the network section.11:00
Ayabarahas anyone tried truecrypt on feisty?11:01
PriceChildgregorovius, 9755 legacys a lot of new cards.11:01
shirishalso it flickers, pretty much like the one in xp11:01
cablesshirish, yeah, it's doing that now. Bug-reporting time11:01
PriceChildgregorovius, 9631 is a legacy line like 7184 and will be supported. It will let more uesrs get desktop effects easilt11:01
cablesPriceChild, where's the list of legacy cards?11:01
shirishcables: you dont like that feature, the flicker=network traffic11:02
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taghow's the fingerprint scanner support in feisty?11:02
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cablesshirish, it's not normal flicker, it's glitchy flicker.11:02
gregoroviusPriceChild, thanks, I didn't know that11:02
PriceChildcables, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html11:03
cablesPriceChild, thanks11:03
shirishcables: right I thought I was the only one who was seeing that11:03
concept10h3sp4wn, do you hack on openwrt or something?11:03
cablesshirish, it definitely shouldn't be doing that11:03
h3sp4wnconcept10: Quite a bit - I am not an official developer of it though11:04
shirishcables: right you do it, subscribe me also into it :shirishag75 there11:04
cablesshirish, sure, when i get around to reporting it.11:04
shirishlol, cool :P11:04
concept10h3sp4wn, have you wondered into the nslu2 land?11:04
concept10I know why I logged on to begin with.. How do I get dchpclient to start at boot time?11:05
cablesshirish, you lie, i don't see any stats :)11:05
cablesshirish, i probably have to restart it first11:06
h3sp4wnconcept10: I don't like openembedded very much (the lack of psyco on amd64 makes it painful) - got maybe 15/20 packages in there (with patches)11:06
cablesshirish, it is flickering though...11:06
h3sp4wnconcept10: openwrt that is11:06
shirishcables: I got the stats after the restart11:06
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shirishcables: ping me if u dont see it after the restart11:06
gharzzulfajuniadi, hi.11:06
gregoroviusPriceChild, do you know if it's safe to install the new driver? (my card is supported)11:06
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gharzzulfajuniadi, what's the difference between network-admin and nm (network manager)? whenever i start the system both r running.11:07
cablesshirish, sure11:07
cablesAhhh these updates are taking a while... damn slow vm.11:07
shirishI will be here 20 mins. more11:07
PriceChildgregorovius, yes if your card is supported11:07
cablesshirish, it'll take longer than that... it just took over a minute to update deskbar-applet11:07
cablesnow it's on eog11:08
shirish@now calcutta11:08
ubotuCurrent time in Asia/Calcutta: April 11 2007, 02:38:26 - Current meeting: Technical Board11:08
gregoroviusPriceChild, thanks, I was asking because the package isn't listed in launchpad or anything yet11:08
PriceChildbug 9643011:08
ubotuMalone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9643011:08
shirishas u can see its nearing 3 a.m. so gotta bow out guys, see u in few hrs.11:08
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concept10h3sp4wn, im trying to decide on a embedded smallish distro, starting with ubuntu and slimming down takes to much time11:09
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superkirbyartistWhat's to expect from Xubuntu Feisty?11:09
phaidrosconcept10: openwrt11:09
phaidrossuperkirbyartist: thats is greatest xubuntu ever :)11:09
superkirbyartistPhaidros: New features, please?11:10
superkirbyartist!xubuntu feisty11:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xubuntu feisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:10
h3sp4wnphaidros: So has the fonts always been broken with xubuntu ?11:10
superkirbyartistPhaidros: Can you tell me the new features, please?11:10
cablessuperkirbyartist, I don't know the ones for Xubuntu, but I'm assuming they're similar to the Ubuntu improvements11:11
concept10superkirbyartist, go look them up11:11
superkirbyartistHow can I do that?11:11
concept10As George W. says:  Use The Google.11:11
superkirbyartistI've searched everywhere, none to be found except Pidgin new version.11:12
h3sp4wnconcept10: I would use either gentoo embedded or openwrt11:12
superkirbyartistAnd I already installed Pidgin, it wasn't much fun.11:12
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phaidrosconcept10: yeah, those 2 seem best.11:13
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gharzguys, any idea which driver type is intel pro/wireless 2100? is it wlan-ng or Host AP/Orinoco or others?11:13
phaidrossuperkirbyartist: where did you install pidgin from?11:14
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superkirbyartistWill Xubuntu come with Migration?11:14
robert_I don't really care about Pidgin support anyway11:14
superkirbyartistPhaidros: From Feisty reps.11:14
robert_since I maintain that myself11:14
cablessuperkirbyartist, I'm assuming it's pretty much the same insaller11:14
superkirbyartistCables, will it come with Windows-to-Linux, as announced?11:14
phaidrosgharz: ipw2200 i think is the module called11:14
superkirbyartistIs that in Xubuntu or only Gnome?11:15
phaidrossuperkirbyartist: not in there for me :/11:15
cablessuperkirbyartist, since when has pidgin been in the reps? And what's the point of installing it... isn't it just the same as Gaim beta 6 but with a different name and icons?11:15
robert_all I care about is Evolution11:15
cablessuperkirbyartist, my guess is the installer is the same 'cause both XFCE and Gnome use GTK11:15
phaidrosrobert_: evolution works.11:15
gharzphaidros, yes.. .that correct... but i wanna if this type is wlan-ng or orinoco.11:15
robert_phaidros: but I seem to suck at compiling it myself11:15
phaidrosgharz: definitely not orinoco, and isn't wlan-ng only for prism?11:15
gharzphaidros, thanks11:15
phaidrosrobert_: I'd like to see a rss/atom plugin for evolution11:16
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robert_this window class doesn't need to be created11:16
phaidrosrobert_: do you know about a feed reader for evolution?11:17
superkirbyartistI'd like to see a FreeBASIC Fighting Game plugin for Pidgin!11:17
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robert_hm, unfortunately not11:17
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robert_superkirbyartist: Pidgin isn't Emacs.11:18
cablesc'mon, you can do it, APT... I know you can do it. just a few more packages...11:18
superkirbyartistWhat is an Emacs?11:18
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awksuperkirbyartist> an editor?11:19
robert_not just an editor11:19
awksuperkirbyartist> or rather.. an os ?11:19
cablesNot just an editor... a lifestyle.11:19
robert_it's got an irc client, media applet, etc. for it11:19
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superkirbyartistfb-fight-game + pidgin = netplay11:19
robert_it's sickening11:19
cablesrobert_, it is, but I like it :)11:19
phaidrosits sick11:19
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angasulerobert_: as long as you vomit into the kitchen sink...11:20
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phaidrosvi :P11:20
robert_I prefer nano11:20
superkirbyartistNo one likes fb-fight-game?11:20
awkis an editor11:20
phaidrosno, work to do.11:20
cablesI really haven't tried Vi, and I don't use Emacs much, but when I'm editing perl (my only language) I use emacs11:20
phaidrosawk is an editor?11:21
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awkphaidros> no, ed is11:21
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phaidroscables, i never got used to the shortcuts11:21
awkphaidros> and sed is as well11:21
phaidrosed, sed, jed .. yet?11:21
awknever heard of it11:21
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h3sp4wnsed is a good editor11:21
cableswhat's awk? I've heard that Perl is similar to Sed and Awk... I know what sed is, what's awk?11:21
cablesh3sp4wn, sed is an editor?11:21
angasulebah, I prefer to write a C program to edit a specific text file11:22
cablesangasule, that's the way to do it :)11:22
awkcables> it's basically a programming language11:22
h3sp4wncables: "stream editor"11:22
angasulecables: it's the awkward programming language11:22
phaidrosangasule: use perl or ruby11:22
anti_popehm, should i use -generic or -386 kernel ?11:22
awkalthough simple11:22
awkto process streams of texts11:22
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efface23fps in glxgears is far below normal right?11:23
robert_I want my smp kernel11:23
awkefface> yeah11:23
effacefor a nvidia 6800 card11:23
awkefface> deffinitely11:23
angasuleefface: it's normal for a 286 with a hercules card11:23
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h3sp4wnangasule: haskell would work as well as C (and easier to write)11:23
cablesefface, it's like... omg.11:23
effacewell when i type glxinfo it says its using the nvidia driver11:23
awklol haskell11:23
angasuleseriously, I bet I can do the gears in software faster than 23fps on my 28611:23
effaceany ideas?11:23
cablesefface, that's weird... I get like WAY higher than that with no acceleration.11:24
angasuleh3sp4wn: who wants to learn a language to edit text files? :P11:24
awkgo for ruby instead11:24
effaceyea, thought something was off :P11:24
phixnayhey, sup, when I upgraded to feisty, it changed my IDE cd drive to that thing that starts with S, and now I can't use it. Anyone heard of this problem, know how to fix it?11:24
angasuleefface: quake 1 ran faster than that on a pentium with no hardware acceleration11:24
effaceodd enough i went from 11fps to 6k fps down to 982 then to 11 then 3400, then to 6000, etc11:25
effaceits all over the place11:25
effaceok i figured the symptom....its like 11-20 fps when glxgears is the main window11:25
effaceif its behind this chat window and i dont see it11:25
effaceit shoots up to 6k11:26
robert_awk -v11:27
cablesnew version of vino?11:29
cablesnew usplash?11:29
h3sp4wnawk: ruby is slow11:29
effaceany clues?11:29
awkh3sp4wn> maybe11:29
cablesupdates done11:29
phixnayso how can I get my cd drive to work?11:29
awkh3sp4wn> but it's fast to write11:29
cablesphixnay, CD support has been removed in Feisty.11:30
effacecables: lol11:30
cablesI think I once used something like that on an extreme noob who was /msg pestering me11:30
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LukianWhere should I report an issue with a package version in the feisty repository to?11:31
cablesOne day I know I'm going to go all rtfm and gtfo, noob! on someone11:31
ubotuWords like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.11:31
cablespretty much everything Ubotu says not to do11:31
phixnaywhat about rtfb11:31
phixnayI guess that's kind of hard to do11:32
cablesthere's this guy who can actually tell what's on a record by looking at it11:32
cables(unlabeled record of course)11:32
cablesmaybe by the distances between tracks?11:32
phixnaylol that's pretty awesome11:33
phixnaytoo bad cd support has been removed11:33
phixnayI didn't think it would be deprecated this soon11:33
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phixnayseriously though I was searching on the forums, but I didn't see anything11:34
cablesphixnay, as you know, Ubuntu likes to stay on the very cutting edge. Sometimes, sacrifices are inevitable. Expect us to be removing HD support soon in favor of solid-state Flash drives.11:34
anti_popcables thats crap11:34
phixnayprobably cause I didn't know what to search11:34
cablesanti_pop, what?11:34
anti_popguy read cd thing :)11:34
marcotHello, I'm using Ubuntu 7.4 and I want to change epiphany's dictionary of spell.11:34
cablesanti_pop, I'm kidding of course11:34
phixnaycables, soon surround sound will be the only type supported11:34
marcotI've tryed to run LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_ALL=pt_BR.UTF-8 /usr/bin/epiphany (which works on gaim) but it keeps using en dictionary.11:35
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phixnayhmm, I've never used epiphany11:35
marcotIn gaim the dictionary has changed, but the language of the program is still in en_US I don't know why.11:36
marcotBut I kind of like this, so it's not a problem to me.11:36
marcotIn epiphany nothing changes.11:37
marcotAnd I give no warnings or error messages.11:37
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marcotWith firefox, it changes the language of the program, but the dictionary used is still en11:38
phixnaymaybe there is a specific preference in epiphany somewhere11:39
marcotAnd in firefox.11:39
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BetaIS it good to have both Xchat and the gnome front end?11:42
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cablesBeta, xchat-gnome isn't a front end11:42
BetaThen what is it?11:42
cablesBeta, they're 2 separate programs, you can have both installed (Xchat is better)11:42
mahdianybody knows if alsa is broken on feisty? Will it b upgraded to 1.0.14rc3?11:42
cablesmahdi, I don't think it's broken.11:42
mahdicables: my hda-intel over atiixp doesnt work anymore :( only on kernel 2.6.20-1211:43
cablesmahdi, isn't on my box11:43
cablesmahdi, can't help you there, sorry11:43
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mahdicables: tkz anyway :)11:43
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atselbyI was upgrading via the update-manager -d last night and it had about a half hour let when my internet connection messed up for whatever reason. I attempted to just now restart the update via the same command and it has failed.11:47
atselbyCould I please get some help on this?11:47
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LukianIs nvidia-glx-new here to stay? :D11:47
frojnd is there posible to connecto to a local maschine via krd and not knowing vnc's pass. I only know what's this maschine's pass and username ??,11:49
Lukianatselby, I was feeling a bit that way too, but then I found bug reports and a new package that fixed me right up :D11:49
atselbylukian: do you have a link handy? if not ill just search.11:49
Lukianfrojnd, reset the vnc password using the root account over ssh?11:49
Lukianatselby, what's your issue? :D11:49
LukianMine was nvidia drivers :D11:49
atselbylukian: oh hold on i opened a new terminal window and it seems the update is working this time around...11:49
Lukian404's from updates?11:50
atselbyBecause my internet stopped working late last night.11:50
LukianYeah that happened to me a few hours back11:50
LukianClick "check" or run apt-get update11:50
atselbyIs it the server than?11:50
atselbyI did a minute ago.11:50
LukianYeah it is, try again later and it should work :)11:51
atselbyAh, good I reopened update-manager to get to the distro upgrade and it seems to have picked up where it left off now.11:51
atselby1187 of 1388 files11:51
atselbyOdd then.11:51
atselbySo you had a nvidia problem after your upgrade?11:51
Lukianhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/amd64/nvidia-glx <- 9631 superseded 9755, which has a bugfix for twinview.11:52
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atselbyYeah, I don't have nvidia so I should be okay.11:52
TheVaultIs there a place where you can download cursors?11:52
LukianReading bug reports, I found they added a package called "nvidia-glx-new"11:53
atselbyHuhm, I'd hope that would be added before final.11:53
LukianIt magically solves the reversion to 9631 :)11:53
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phixnayhey guys, I want to search the ubuntu forums for my cd issue that feisty changed my "hdd" cd drive to "sd1" and now it doesn't work11:54
phixnayany search tips, or ideas on how to fix it11:54
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Lukianphixnay, define "doesn't work?"11:55
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squirethere's a fix for opera on feisty folks!11:56
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LukianI've had it running for 3 days11:56
Lukianwhat's new? :)11:56
atselbyOpera was messed up?11:57
squiredamn u! ;P11:57
atselbyI missed something.11:57
LukianSo what's the "fix" ? :p11:57
MattJThere's quite a difference between the Feisty beta release and what's current, is there not?11:57
squiresome1 was asking about it earlier11:57
MattJAs in, a lot of updates...11:57
Lukianatselby, I manually installed (dpkg) 9.20 static #63511:57
phixnaylukian - once ubuntu boots up, the drive still opens and closes, but putting a disk in it doesn't do anything. It can still boot live cds and stuff, and cds work when I'm booted into windows11:58
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nilsjoahi :)11:58
squirelatest weekly build seems to have cracked it11:58
Lukianphixnay, perhaps nautilus' autoplay is disabled or such? what does navigating to /media/sd1 show?11:58
atselbylukian: k11:58
Lukian635 > 633.11:59
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nilsjoadoes anybody here use banshee in feisty?11:59
Lukianwhat's banshee?11:59
misfit_toy_awaynilsjoa, nope I use exaile12:00
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MattJExaile \o/12:00
nilsjoalukian: a musikplayer, the only one with the possibility to get sth. like coverflow on itunes12:00
Lukianwhat's sth?12:00
nilsjoalukian: something12:01
MattJFeisty RC release in 2 days?12:01
phixnaylukian - /media/sd1 does not exist. $ ls /media [new line]  cdrom  cdrom0  windows12:01
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nilsjoalukian: i'm trying to get this fleow plugin run for hours, no for nights now12:01
Lukianso does cdrom or 0 have the contents of your cd?12:01
nilsjoalukian: see here http://fleow.berlios.de/12:02
phixnaylukian - no - the drive doesn't even spin up when I put something in it12:02
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Lukianoh I see, supermount has died?12:03
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phixnaywhat is supermount?12:05
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phixnayI don't know if ubuntu knows the computer has a cd drive12:06
Lukianphixnay, "supermount" is "technology" which automatically mounts and unmounts cd filesystems12:06
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LeeJunFankpowersave &/or hal keeps suspending my laptop after I resume.12:08
thesilentwhello everyone, can anyone explain me how to permanently change resolution on new feisty to 1280x1028 ?12:08
LeeJunFannot to mention it mutes my sound device sometimes AFTER I resume instead of before the suspend.12:08
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johnficcahaving a problem with my nvidia-legacy driver12:09
johnficcathe screen resolution, the highest I can get is 800x60012:10
phixnaylukian - supermount is broken then because it's not mounting stuff12:10
johnficcamy screen is 1280x102412:10
capiirahmm how long a kernel compilation can take on 2ghz p4?12:11
johnficcaI tried editing the xorg.conf file, but it still does not work12:11
thesilentwjohnficca, have same problem12:11
johnficcadid you get it fixed12:12
johnficcanot good12:12
thesilentwwas asking for help before u join12:12
thesilentwjoin linux today xD12:12
johnficcaI think i'm just going to go back to the vesa driver12:13
Lukianjohnficca, thesilentw are you using nvidia?12:13
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Lukiandid you install the latest updates?12:13
thesilentweverything working12:13
thesilentwberyl and all12:14
johnficcamy card is tnt2/pro12:14
Lukianthat could be your issue then.12:14
Lukiantry sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new12:14
thesilentwi have a gforce 7800 GT12:14
Lukian9755 got reverted to 96xx in the last update12:14
thesilentwi just install feisty12:14
Lukian96xx uses "nvidia-auto-select" if no other modes are working12:14
thesilentwit updated12:14
LukianYou probably just need to learn how to edit xorg.conf :)12:15
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Lukian<- two monitors12:15
thesilentwi did12:15
thesilentwlike in tutorial12:15
thesilentwhave custom 1280x1028 70 set12:15
thesilentwbut,...nothing change after i restart x server12:16
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thesilentwthat apt get install didnt work12:16
johnficcaI just got an error install the thing you said to install12:16
thesilentwthevault, did u get it?12:16
TheVaultget what?12:16
Lukianjohnficca, what error?12:17
TheVaultseeklets, I'm not sure to download that at12:17
Lukianjohnficca, technically you should be using nvidia-glx-legacy with a tnt.12:17
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johnficcaErrors were encountered while processing:12:17
johnficca /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-new_1.0.9755+
johnficcaE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)12:17
Lukianis that all? how very useful..12:18
gharzguys, how do i boot in verbose mode? i wanna see what files or does the system is working during boot time?12:18
gharzF2 doesn't work12:18
Lukiangharz, edit menu.lst12:18
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TheVaultBut I have kinda a problem and I want to see if others are getting this. I downloaded a video from youtube and I opened it up with VLC player. Well when I move the window, the video playback goes black, so I have to move the VLC window a little to see the picture again. I'm wanting to know if this is a common problem when your using beryl or is it just me?12:18
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TheVaultThat happens to any media player I use to do playback in. With only beryl activated.12:19
LukianTheVault, try changing the video output mode in VLC.12:19
thesilentwlukian, i got that apt get to work, i typed it wrong, now how do i proceed12:19
TheVaulthow do you do that?12:19
Lukianunder it's settings :p12:19
TheVaultlukian: Which option should I choose?12:19
LukianTheVault, hmm, something that's not opengl12:20
Lukianthere should be about 3 in there that will render video12:20
TheVaultAlright, I clicked on settings & went to preferences12:20
gharzguys, how do i stop running network-admin whenever i start my system? i can't find it in my startup menu.12:20
Lukianhaha gharz that's annoying me too12:21
gharzgharz, in feisty... network-admin doesn't work well... i can't login to my hidden network.12:21
TheVaultlukian: Not sure where to change the settings. I went to Settings & clicked Preferences, now what do i click on?12:21
LukianTheVault, sec, let me install it12:22
TheVaultLukian: Alrighty12:22
LukianTheVault, video, output modules and check advanced12:23
Lukiantry X11, XVideo and OpenGL12:23
TheVaultnow lemme see if I can play it without it going black12:24
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LukianIt's probably a beryl issue btw, as you are running two things in "3d" at once12:24
marcotWhat's the best way of reporting a bug in ubuntu?12:24
marcotOr is there a reportbug similar?12:24
Lukianmarcot, yeah I was about to report one and found a solution :)12:24
marcotLukian: but is it the best way bugs.ubuntu.com?12:25
thesilentwthevault, couldnt it be screenlets ?12:25
Lukianmarcot, afaik, yes12:26
thesilentwcan we continue ?12:26
thesilentwabout changing the screen resolutiojn12:26
thesilentwdid that aptget nvidia-glx-new12:27
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thesilentwthevault, couldnt it be screenlets ?12:27
TheVaultAlright, The X11 option works12:27

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