=== tommy1987 [n=tom@82-46-12-56.cable.ubr07.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === taggart [n=taggart@c-71-231-64-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madc [n=d@adsl-241-73-94.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === PhilK [n=PhilK@c-76-109-37-208.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jcampbel@157.199.22.99] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndrewB [n=andy@ubuntu/member/pdpc.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndrewB [n=andy@ubuntu/member/pdpc.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gordon [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] mcgrof: me as well. If you're waiting to hear back, I just did. [12:56] evand: yay, hopefully I'll get a reply soon too === ajmitch pinged them by email just before [12:56] ajmitch: Probably. Without copy and pasting from the email, it sounds like they're getting through the backlog. [12:57] yeah, they must have to deal with a few [12:57] <_ion> Eyas? [12:58] travel agent === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:00] evand: I'm under the impression that going through them you don't have to arrange payment through your own credit card, know if that is accurate? [01:01] mcgrof: Correct, at least for UDSMTV that was the case. [01:01] great, that helps === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gordon [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jcole [i=jcole@nat/hp/x-e81630b38e440d16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] i'm having apps like gaim, firefox and evolution freeze hard consistently on feisty... i'm on gaim now and it will probably lock up as i start talking more... any suggestion on what i can do to figure out what is going on? 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I'm not trying to fix my computer (that would be a simple task) but considering adopting the platform for a large number of workstations that depend on this issue... [06:30] Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] === sonictwin [n=ryan@c-68-61-98-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] a simple informed yes or know would be very much appreciated. thx. [06:31] s/know/no [06:31] <_ion> mu [06:33] _ion, my question cannot be answered because it depends on incorrect assumptions? [06:33] michaelfavia: see the comments from Ben Collins on it. [06:34] hello hackers! [06:34] wazzup? [06:34] hi desrt === desrt is starting to get pumped about UDS [06:35] hey desrt === desrt steals ajmitch's nametag and refuses to believe that the person sitting in front of him is, in fact, ajmitch [06:35] ajmitch; seville4u? [06:35] Hobbsee; going to seville? [06:36] michaelfavia: i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/96430/comments/48 sums it up pretty well [06:36] Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress] [06:36] desrt: yep [06:36] <_ion> When is UDS Tampere going to be held? ;-) [06:36] desrt: assuming I can get plane tickets, sure [06:36] Hobbsee, apologies.. i missed comment #48 from ben... and didnt know if the #ubuntu+1 message had any priority oer his comments in the bug.. thanks for the input. it seems safe to assume... [06:36] Hobbsee; elite. [06:36] ajmitch; what's wrong? [06:36] desrt: still waiting on eyas [06:36] ah [06:36] michaelfavia: it doesnt. you're looking for the comments from developers. [06:36] if yr having trouble, "clickair" has super-cheap flights from schipol to seville [06:37] desrt: the main part will be NZ->london [06:37] (since a lot of airlines don't fly to seville) === desrt toronto -> london -> amsterdam -> seville [06:37] lots of flying... but cheap. [06:37] Hobbsee; you been at a UDS before? [06:38] ! [06:38] were you at lca? [06:38] desrt: nope. and iwas at the open day === desrt meant to look you up but forgot [06:38] heh [06:38] shame === Hobbsee was one of those strange people with a high voice, so should be fairly easy to find [06:38] quite. === desrt tries to remember if we succeeded in finding your picture last time we had a conversation like this [06:39] <_ion> I've got a small amount of ground work done for a nice implementation of three installed nvidia drivers, of which the correct one would be automatically chosen in runtime based on connected hardware. I haven't got around to doing the whole implementation at least yet, but it should be at least of some help to Ben. [06:40] ajmitch: Eyas has became increasingly unresponsive as of late :/ [06:40] mneptok: given that the travel agent I talked to today said that flights are getting scarce, it is annoying [06:40] ajmitch: are you a strong swimmer? === desrt grins [06:41] I can swim === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] "have you ever swam across the equator?" [06:41] but it may be a bit cold for a bit [06:41] it's only 20000km or so [06:41] ajmitch: coat yourself with lard and Nembutol [06:41] ajmitch; that's a tough swim [06:41] ajmitch; better start training now [06:42] desrt: no time for that, I'd better start swimming now [06:42] not for the swim so much. but we'd dig the entertainment value [06:42] ya. no kidding :p === desrt wonders if the crazy sysadmin quotient of UDS will be filled this time around [06:42] still no update to the UDS wiki about sponsoring.. [06:42] desrt: Canonical sysadmins or in general? [06:43] uh [06:43] sysadmins named kurt, mostly [06:43] oh, scary ones? [06:43] desrt: it's on planet, there's a dodgy version on LP [06:43] ya. psychos. === mneptok isn't a sysadmin for Canonical :) [06:43] Hobbsee; i see how it is. [06:43] GNOME yes. Canonical no. === desrt is a planet gnomer [06:44] mneptok: we knew you already you see. [06:44] Hobbsee: scary [06:44] lifeless: and you still hired me? that raises new concerns about Canonical's viability. ;) [06:44] ajmitch: heh [06:45] er [06:45] your hackergotchi isn't a hackergotchi [06:45] it's as close as i'm coming. [06:46] rob is crazy [06:46] there's something weird in the air in au/nz [06:47] mneptok: you're our grain of sand. === ajmitch wonders what it'll take to get plane tickets for UDS [06:51] ajmitch: usually a phone call. [06:52] desrt: i know. hackergotchis of me look terrible. === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] Hobbsee; i'll have my camera on hand. we'll see what we can do. === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-76-203-174-94.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] Good morning === desrt tackles pitti [07:09] hey desrt, *hug* [07:09] sup dude? [07:09] desrt: heh, good luck with that [07:09] hi pitti [07:09] hey Hobbsee [07:09] Hobbsee; dunnot worry. i am an artiste. [07:09] Hey, pitti, is there any particular critereon for what packages end up in the dbgsym repo? [07:09] desrt: 'sup? bugz, bugz, bugz :) [07:09] pitti; good man. [07:09] make my feisty feisty [07:10] micahcowan: all which have at least one ELF file in it, in theory [07:10] morning guys [07:10] But there aren't comparatively very many in there yet, yes? [07:11] Is it pretty much whatever you personally have had to have debug syms for? :) [07:11] micahcowan: only those which have been rebuilt in the last 7 months or so [07:11] no, it's not personal :) [07:11] Others are removed, then? [07:11] actually it should be pretty well-covered now [07:12] micahcowan: no, they need a build with pkg-create-dbgsym enabled in order to produce dbgsyms [07:12] micahcowan: and I only wrote it about 7 months ago [07:13] coreutils was missing, was why I noticed. :) [07:13] enabled... as in a rules target? [07:13] micahcowan: no, as in 'put it into the buildd chroots' [07:14] Oh... I see. Cool. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@133.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] pitti: rumor has it Tollef was poking at NetworkMangler issues earlier today? [07:24] mneptok: I don't know for sure; but earlier today? how earlier can it get? :) [07:25] mneptok: he was.. yesterday (our time) [07:25] 15 hours, at least :P [07:25] lies [07:25] 1 hr 25 minutes :) [07:26] desrt: go sit in a corner :) [07:26] desrt: you're just backwards. [07:26] omg its that guy [07:26] who goes to uds and spends all his time in smoking bofs [07:27] fabbione; haven't talked to you in a while. what's up? :) [07:27] smoking bofs lol [07:27] desrt: you have no idea how much more work you get done outside in open air.. sun shine and standing still in a smoking bof compared to those dark rooms etc :))) [07:27] Ubuntu would not exist without smoking BOFs [07:28] fabbione; it's true... [07:28] desrt: not much really... just woke up and still very tired [07:28] google was a fantastic venue for smoking bof [07:28] mneptok: true that :) [07:28] with that stone island thing outside in the middle of the lawn [07:28] desrt: it was good yes... [07:28] Linux: Brought to you by caffeine, nicotine, tetrahydrocannibinol, and poor social skills. [07:28] the best smoking bof was at mataro'.. we were allowed to smoke inside [07:29] ew. [07:29] smoking inside is gross. srsly. [07:29] desrt: well Spanish law did allow that at the time.. it's changed tho.. no more smoking inside [07:29] desrt: and note.. i don't really care either way [07:29] that's good. [07:29] i don't think i could ever bring myself to smoke inside... it's just so ... wrong [07:30] fabbione: as long as it's not as cold as Montreal, right? :P [07:30] desrt: man, you're young. ;) [07:30] mneptok; :p [07:30] desrt: s/inside/at all/ :) [07:30] Treenaks: screw you, too :) [07:30] montral was _not_ cold [07:30] Treenaks: Montreal as in UDS or Montreal as in February when i was there? [07:30] fabbione: uds === desrt went back in january and then it was cold [07:30] Treenaks: UDS was warm [07:30] desrt: yeah.. i was there too.. -30 [07:30] brutal. [07:31] please stop. [07:31] i have to sit here and wait for spring. [07:31] ;) [07:31] mneptok: why? i was sharing the pain with you? === Hobbsee sends mneptok to antarcica [07:31] just move to .au [07:31] Hobbsee: already there. [07:31] it's still warm there [07:31] mneptok: heh. [07:31] desrt: can't. too old. [07:31] indeed. sorta :P [07:31] Hobbsee: gives a whole new meaning to 'UDS' (Down South) [07:31] mneptok; eh? [07:31] Treenaks: yes. the next UDS should clearly be in the snow [07:32] desrt: can't emigrate to Australia over the age of 40. [07:32] mneptok; you only have to do it for another month or two before the northern hemisphere comes around [07:32] huh? [07:32] mneptok: we dont want you here anyway. [07:32] Hobbsee: what about if i commit a crime? :P [07:33] Is there a "patch-attached" tag or something to let core devs know about bugs with suggested fixes provided? === mneptok wonders if "transportation" is still a valid court sentence [07:33] mneptok: yes, but to Siberia, not Australia [07:33] .. wait .. [07:34] Australia, the gulag with dingoes! [07:34] the dingo stole my passport! [07:34] s/the dingo/ian jackson/ [07:35] mneptok: sounds like one of those lines on travel brochures [07:35] mneptok: nope. they stopped that. === desrt always assumed hobbsee was in .au after being deported from the .uk for being a freedom-loving hippie [07:37] haha === Hobbsee was born in au, she's afraid... [07:37] ah. so your parents were the criminals, eh? === desrt gets tired of the cliche already [07:37] it's _so_ time to go to bed :p [07:38] night, hippies. [07:38] I'm not expecting to try and get something in before feisty... I just want to ensure it's not forgotten after feisty... [07:39] micahcowan; you'd be best to personally bug the appropriate maintainer in 1 month time [07:39] micahcowan; when they have more time to breathe... [07:40] micahcowan: you can search for bugs which have patches attached, yes [07:40] micahcowan: universe or main? [07:40] ajmitch, main (linux-kernel) [07:40] linux-source, rather [07:41] right, then I'd probably leave it as-is rather than trying to subscribe someone [07:42] Right; if it were universe, I'd assign to ubuntu-universe-sponsors (as I was recently directed to do for my gawk fix). [07:43] Anyway, I know mvo will have seen it (when he's around). 'Course, I'm sure he's swamped, so by the time he has some time to think about it, I'm sure he'll have forgotten it... I'll bug him in a month or something. :) [07:43] Thanks, folks. :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-35.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity_ is now known as infinity === Tonio__ [n=tonio@216.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-088-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] Mithrandir: can you please approve the l-r-m in unapproved soon? I need to adapt restricted-manager to it [08:06] <_ion> pitti: What's new in it? [08:06] _ion: [08:06] <_ion> The modalias change perhaps? [08:06] * Change nvidia back to 9631, add epoch for nvidia-glx packages. [08:06] * Add nvidia-news package at version 9755. This is the path of least [08:06] surprise. [08:06] * Add module alias override patch from Johan Kiviniemi [08:06] . [08:06] <_ion> Cool [08:07] but we now need to get along with three nvidia packages instead of one :/ [08:07] apparently the merging was too complicated for feisty [08:07] <_ion> Ok [08:07] <_ion> When the merging happens, my small hardware_connected program might be helpful. bzr branch http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/bzr/hardware_connected/ [08:08] <_ion> For example: nvidia_version() { for nv_ver in 9755 9631 7foo; do if modinfo -F alias nvidia-$n [08:09] <_ion> v_ver | hardware_connected; then echo $nv_ver; return; fi; done; return 1; } [08:09] <_ion> Oh, i pasted the example with the old syntax. [08:10] <_ion> nvidia_version() { for nv_ver in 9755 9631 7foo; do if hardware_connected -m nvidia-$nv_ver; then echo $nv_ver; return; fi; done; return 1; } === MysteriousGEGL [n=jsg123@121.97.244.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.221.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] <_ion> It also allows things like hardware_connected 'usb:*' && echo USB hardware connected; hardware_connected 'pci:*bc03*' && echo PCI display adapter connected; hardware_connected -m usbhid && echo USB HID connected === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] pitti_: sure, looking. === pitti_ is now known as pitti [08:21] can anyone tell me how to open a private channel with another nickname [08:23] pitti: apart from the fact that the librarian is b0rked atm [08:23] /msg nickname [08:23] Mithrandir: yay LP updates at release time :/ [08:23] pitti: (try q -Q unapproved fetch linux-restricted-modules on drescher) [08:23] Mithrandir: I did already [08:25] Mithrandir: just as an early warning, I have to introduce a new class for the nvidia-glx-new driver package, and remove all the modinfo detection stuff (since that's now in l-r-m); so this will become quite a large diff :( [08:25] Mithrandir: the new class will be tiny, though === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-10-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === taggart [n=taggart@c-71-231-64-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] hi pitti [08:42] hi mdke [08:43] pitti: any further thoughts on ubuntu-docs? [08:43] mdke: just what I mailed you [08:44] pitti: on Sunday? or is there an email since then? [08:44] mdke: the second proposal (only ship languages which we ship on the CD, and do the full version in -updates) is a bit crude, but easy to do [08:44] mdke: I mailed you yesterday, didn't I? === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] mdke: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:21:52 +0200 [08:45] pitti: I haven't received it yet [08:45] hey [08:45] mdke: weird; shall I bounce it again? [08:45] hi zyga [08:46] pitti: please do, thanks === surge [n=highvolt@dsl-240-91-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] mdke: should be there by now === zyga is very happy today :-) [08:49] a full dataset for cnf is fresh and ready :-) [08:49] for every arch :D === kagou [n=kagou@77.194.193.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] good morning [08:53] hi kagou [08:53] hey pitti , whats up ? === mjg59_ [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti throws a chocolate easter egg at kagou :) [08:54] what other kinds of easter eggs do you get? I thought they were all chocolate? [08:54] thanks pitti ! :) [08:56] pitti, should i assign you to Bug #99498 ? [08:56] Malone bug 99498 in hal "Nautilus and hal can't umount usb hd disk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99498 [08:56] highvoltage: marzipan at least. [08:56] kagou: please don't; I'll grab hal bugs when I have time for them, I am bug contact [08:57] ok pitti :) === Hobbsee grabs one of the easter eggs, and munches [08:57] aww, there was only one :( [08:57] pitti: nope :( Can you send it to matthew.east@tiscali.co.uk instead as a temporary measure while I find out what is wrong with my email? [08:59] mdke: forwarded [09:04] pitti: haven't got that one either... is your email working ok? test emails seem to be arriving to me [09:04] seb [09:05] mdke: I'll check the logs [09:06] mdke: erk, indeed, postfix cannot resolve names on my server, sorry [09:06] np [09:09] mdke: ok, flushed; and now I'll find out why the recent kernel update on my server broke iptables configuration [09:10] pitti: whoos, 9MB? I thought you said it was 2.5? [09:11] mdke: the bzip2'ed .deb is 2.5 MB now, but the live system isn't bzip2, it's more like gzip [09:11] oh I see [09:11] even with the symlinking it's 9MB? === Tonio__ [n=tonio@216.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEF537.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] pitti: would it be possible to have an update ready in -updates for the release, which is called by gnome-language-selector, with all the languages? if so, then probably the second solution would be ok. The first solution sounds like it is fairer to translators though [09:20] mdke: if it's in -updates, update-notifier will install it anyway [09:21] mdke: fairer> I agree, just a bit more effort to implement [09:21] pitti: sure, but not everyone uses that [09:21] is it possible to know which arch I'm on (as in the arch specifiers that dpkg understands?) [09:21] I've seen my girlfriend use the computer and never wonder what that little orange square is about :) [09:21] i386, powerpc, amd64, sparc [09:21] zyga: dpkg --print-architecture [09:21] pitti: thank you! [09:22] :D === mvo [n=egon@p54a66a18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] mvo: hey! [09:22] mvo: It's ready it's there :D [09:22] hey zyga! [09:22] I have everything we need if there is still time [09:22] zyga: if its just data, that should be fine :) [09:22] mvo: it may be just the data [09:23] I made the clinet a tiny bit nicer but the data is fine [09:23] zyga: could you give me a download location for the data? [09:23] sure, just a sec [09:24] mvo: http://suxx.pl/~zyga/feisty.dump.gz [09:24] fetch that first, it's about 80MB === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7467A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] the built data is much smaller === Tonio__ [n=tonio@216.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] pitti: maybe we should ask the translators teams or wider community which solution they think is better as well, what do you think? [09:25] good morning [09:25] mdke: it's just really urgent now [09:25] ok [09:25] pitti: so you would prefer to do the second solution, but without language-selector? [09:26] mdke: if we have the time to implement the msgfmt --statistics one, that seems to be better to me === Zdra [n=zdra@240.22-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] zyga: and I need to update my tree from you branch I assume? [09:27] pitti: ok. Do you want to have a quick look at debian/rules and see if there is something you can slip in there which changes the value of $lang? [09:27] yeah, just a sec, I'll push the branch [09:28] pitti: also, as I mentioned in another email, we need to do an update from our repository, hopefully dholbach will do that for us :) [09:28] mdke: i will do that in a bit [09:28] dholbach: :D === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] mdke: hmm, 'change the value of $lang'? it just traverses ubuntu/, right? === freeflyi1g [i=freeflyi@211.147.215.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] pitti: yes. I was thinking if you could do something with msgfmt which excludes languages with low levels of translation [09:30] mdke: ah, that for loop would be the place to stick the --statistics test in, and if it fails, do 'continue'? [09:31] something like that. We'd need to make the --statistics test actually have a yes/no result though [09:31] mvo: you can pull now [09:31] mdke: right, of course; I thought of some awk or perl bit [09:32] pitti: ok! Maybe see if 20% reduces the package size dramatically (I think it will), but if not, go higher, like 40%? [09:32] mvo: to build just move the feisty.dump.gz to the root of cnf source code [09:33] mdke: yes, I'd adjust it so that it ends up as roughly 2 MB or so, let's find out [09:33] I didn't want to include in the branch as it's just too large [09:33] mdke: ok, let me play around with this a bit [09:33] pitti: I have to go to work now, and can't read irc, but will be checking email during the day [09:33] zyga: downloading [09:33] mdke: a second [09:33] sure [09:33] mdke: did you change anything in svn head so far? [09:33] mvo: ping me when you're done [09:34] mdke: i. e. how to coordinate your changes, mine, and dholbach's upload? [09:34] mvo: the feisty.dump.gz contains info for i386,amd64,powerpc and sparc [09:34] pitti: best to let dholbach go first, then get his source, I think. [09:35] or you can checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/feisty for playing around purposes [09:35] mdke: alright, I'll just send him my rules patch then; I guess that didn't change too much [09:35] pitti: thanks a lot === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] thanks both === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] dholbach: could you confirm whether gtkhtml3.8 is going to be moved to universe now that evolution is not using it anymore? [09:38] or will it remain in main for Feisty ? [09:39] zyga: info for universe as well ? [09:40] yes [09:40] cool! [09:40] carlos: looks like a safe assumption - nothing in main is depending on it [09:40] dholbach: anyway to convert the assumption in a fact? [09:41] I would like to reuse its current .pot file for the new gtkhtml version [09:41] but if it remains in main, I shouldn't [09:42] carlos: I'd rather remove it, tbh [09:42] Mithrandir: why? [09:42] at least if we can get the packages in universe depending on it fixed. [09:43] dholbach: it's obsolete, isn't it? [09:43] Mithrandir: well, I think is a bit late to change code just to depend on a new version, isn't it? [09:43] It's only a single package, peacock [09:43] Mithrandir: no, unfortunately not - let me find the relevant part of the discussion [09:44] but even a single package, we could break it two weeks before release... [09:44] carlos: no, it's more: balsa, gnomesword, gnotime, gnucash, gtk-sharp, mysql-query-browser, peacock [09:44] hmmm [09:44] carlos@aragorn:~$ apt-cache rdepends gtkhtml3.8 [09:44] gtkhtml3.8 [09:44] Reverse Depends: [09:44] peacock === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] isn't that supposed to list all dependencies? [09:45] you're just checking one arch, and you're not checking build-depends. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] oh, I see [09:45] <_ion> apt-cache rdepends libgtkhtml3.8-15 [09:45] and you're checking on gtkhtml3.8, not all binaries from the source package [09:45] right [09:46] Mithrandir: maybe you're right (it was just gtkhtml2 and gtkhtml3 which are separate things) [09:46] but I'm not sure we'll be able to remove 3.8 for feisty [09:46] dholbach: if the API is unchanged, it should be doable. === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] Mithrandir: I think it's not just a matter of rebuilding [09:47] Mithrandir: well, I guess something changed [09:47] gtkhtml3.8 version is 3.13.5 [09:48] so it makes no sense to change its package name unless there is an API change === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] anyway, dholbach who decides whether it will be moved to universe and when? [09:50] carlos: Mithrandir can do that [09:51] see the changelog, there's been some fun with gtkhtml3.8's API/ABI [09:51] carlos: ubuntu-archive, in general [09:51] we probably should try to clear anastacia before RC [09:51] carlos: moved to universe. [09:51] o libgimme-codec: libgimme-codec-bin libgimme-codec-dev libgimme-codec0 [09:51] cjwatson, Mithrandir: any objection to demoting grepmap to universe? [09:51] I thought that was needed for easy-codec-installation? [09:51] Keybuk: none [09:52] Mithrandir: ok, thanks [09:52] Keybuk: no, sounds sane to me [09:52] grepmap-udeb should be removed from the installer seed too now [09:52] I'll do that [09:52] ps3-kboot should probably be seeded somewhere [09:52] supported [09:53] cjwatson: care to fix? [09:53] Mithrandir: thanks for the NetworkMangler hacking! [09:53] yes, hadn't realised pitti had approved that already [09:53] mneptok: $ pwd [09:53] mneptok: $ /home/tfheen/nm/mangler/manual-interface-hack-hack-hack/gnome/applet [09:53] cjwatson, Mithrandir: tbh, given that we're upstream, I'm inclined to just remove grepmap from the archive -- it's served its purpose [09:54] cjwatson: sorry, postfix on my server was stuck due to DNS failure, so you only got the mail about an hour ago [09:54] Mithrandir: :D [09:54] Keybuk: up to you [09:54] pitti: yep, seen it now, just hadn't checked mail this morning yet [09:55] Keybuk: I'm fine with it; nothing in the archive (except for hppa stuff) depends on it. [09:55] Mithrandir: i have some interesting logs that seem to point the finger at dbus. i can send when i get home. [09:55] mneptok: the suspend/resume bug or something else? [09:55] ok, gone [09:55] hppa? oh dear. jbailey is back as of today. he might actually notice. [09:56] he'll be stuck in email until release. :-) [09:57] Mithrandir: ath0 does not configure itself at boot with a known-good /e/n/interfaces and /e/wpa_supplicant.conf from Edgy. but it succeeds with an invoke-rc.d networking stop-start [09:57] mneptok: does it work if you remove or disable NM? [09:57] dunno. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] if you could check that, that would be useful [09:58] and until i'm physicalrly in front of the machine, i don't want to test ;) [09:58] obviously not. [09:58] mneptok: be brave :P [09:58] in 3.5h when i'm home. first thing. [10:03] pitti: shouldn't some language support package depend on myspell-da? [10:03] Mithrandir: right, it should; I'll care for that [10:08] pitti: tell me when you have the u-docs patch ready [10:08] dholbach: working on it === dholbach hugs pitti [10:11] pitti: i'll give you a nickel if you work the word "suave" into the official docs. === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-878f0d1dd980d3f6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] mvo: do you have it? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.16.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] cjwatson: any idea why lrm doesn't build nic-restricted-firmware-2.6.20-14-386-di nic-restricted-firmware-2.6.20-14-generic-di nic-restricted-firmware-2.6.20-14-powerpc-di nic-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386-di nic-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic-di nic-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-powerpc-di any more? [10:22] heno: I just uploaded accerciser 0.1.0 - let's hope we get it through NEW for release [10:22] dholbach: ah cool! the LSR people will be very happy :) [10:23] Mithrandir: is it possible it just hasn't built yet? lrm's .dsc isn't accurate [10:23] so you need to wait for the binaries to actually appear before it'll realise [10:23] cjwatson: ok === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F74CA7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk is trying to work out why his laptop has a mutant mix of GNOME and KDE all of a sudden === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] Keybuk: openoffice.org-style-crystal is installed [10:25] Mithrandir: this drags in all of kde? [10:25] and that pulls in lots of kde-y bits [10:25] why is that installed? [10:25] unsure [10:26] Mithrandir: openoffice common depends on it [10:26] Mithrandir: how so? Depends: openoffice.org-common (= 2.2.0-1ubuntu2), that's everything [10:28] hm, at least it looked like that was the cause last night when I poked at it [10:28] there, old kernels removed from the archive [10:29]