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| orangey | hey all! | 06:10 |
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| orangey | I'm having an issue with suspend/resume on an NC6400 | 06:10 |
| orangey | the keyboard stops working until a command is issued.. | 06:10 |
| orangey | I was wondering how I could propose a patch for something like this without actually fixing the kernel problem.. | 06:10 |
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| Mithrandir | BenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97325 ; any idea about this? | 03:03 |
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| rtg | Mithrandir: bug 97325 is so convoluted its hard to tell what he has. Get him to just boot from the live CD and see what his disk arrangement looks like. | 03:08 |
| Mithrandir | it would probably be better if some kernel person talks to him and gets the needed information from him; he's andersja@gmail.com on jabber. | 03:09 |
| mjg59_ | rtg: I've been looking at the wireless/n-m issue again. As far as I can tell, wpa_supplicant never gets the association message from netlink, despite iwevent showing it | 03:10 |
| rtg | So, since I touched it last, I'm stuck :) | 03:10 |
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| zul | rtg: pretty much :) | 03:10 |
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| orangey | hey all! | 03:11 |
| BenC | rtg: Get dmesg from -14, and lspci -vvn | 03:12 |
| Mithrandir | would anybody mind if I nuke any kernel modules < 2.6.20 (< 2.6.19 for xen modules) from feisty? | 03:12 |
| Mithrandir | we seem to ship stuff like the vmware-player-modules for 2.6.15 | 03:12 |
| zul | xen-source uses 2.6.19 | 03:13 |
| maks_ | xen is pretty unstable on 2.6.20 | 03:14 |
| zul | but I would kill linux-source-2.6.19 ;) | 03:14 |
| _ion | benc: It was intentional to put nvidia_new as the last item in the nvidia_supported line in debian/rules, right? | 03:14 |
| BenC | _ion: Is ordering importing? | 03:14 |
| BenC | err, important | 03:14 |
| BenC | I need another lrm upload to fix the ppc ftbfs anyway | 03:15 |
| BenC | _ion: should I make _new first? | 03:15 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: for feisty, there should be only 2.6.20 | 03:15 |
| BenC | well, and 2.6.19 for xen I guess | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: yup, just wanted to make sure | 03:16 |
| orangey | hmmm. I know it's a basic question, but this is the first time I use linux on a multi-core.. do I use -generic for it? or 686-smp? | 03:17 |
| Mithrandir | orangey: -generic | 03:17 |
| zul | BenC: the 2.6.20 xen patch from fedora doesnt work too well | 03:17 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: in regards to the kernel plans for release, I was hoping the kernel-team could work on release-critical bugs this week, and we could do a non-abi changing upload this weekend post-RC | 03:17 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: That sound ok? | 03:17 |
| _ion | benc: I should have commented it more, but there was a comment in nvidia_supported itself. The first argument describes the preferred driver and the ones that follow are fallbacks. With the current state, nvidia_new is only used if neither nvidia or nvidia_legacy support a given PCI ID. To prefer nvidia_new whenever it supports the card, use nvidia_supported $(rbuilddir)/$$i/nv-new/nv-kernel.o nvidia_new $(rbuilddir)/$$i/nv/nv-kernel.o nvidia ... | 03:17 |
| BenC | orangey: -generic is SMP | 03:17 |
| _ion | ... $(rbuilddir)/$$i/nv-legacy/nv-kernel.o nvidia_legacy | 03:17 |
| BenC | _ion: That's not so bad really | 03:18 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: ugh, not very happy about that. | 03:18 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: give me a bit of time to discuss it? | 03:18 |
| mjg59_ | Mithrandir: Right now the HPA stuff is still a serious regression | 03:18 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: well, we have some fixes to get out, and getting an upload done in time for RC is just not possible | 03:19 |
| _ion | benc: Kind of true, since 97xx hasn't received as much testing as 96xx. | 03:19 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: we will make every effort to ensure it wont change ABI though, so we can pretty much guarantee that -14 will be the released ABI...with an upload this weekend, it still gives us plenty of time to CD test the new kernel | 03:20 |
| _ion | benc: But at least for feisty+1, the drivers probably should be prefered in the order of descending version number. | 03:21 |
| orangey | Mithrandir and BenC: Thank you. | 03:23 |
| orangey | now to try to fix Bug #105155 : ) | 03:23 |
| BenC | _ion: right...for not, I'll leave it, and just let 9755 be chosen for cards so new they need it | 03:23 |
| BenC | erg, "for now" | 03:23 |
| _ion | benc: All right. | 03:23 |
| BenC | _ion: guess it was a decent mistake to make...oh, and thanks for all your help with it | 03:24 |
| BenC | pity it took me so long to get things out | 03:24 |
| BenC | it's was a horrid mess | 03:24 |
| _ion | Thanks for your trouble. I realize you have a lot to do, especially just before a release. :-) | 03:24 |
| _ion | I take it the patch that actually modifies the modules' alias lists is also going to get to feisty+1? | 03:25 |
| _ion | Just installing the override files to /usr/share/l-r-m is okay, restricted-manager has already been modified to read them. | 03:26 |
| _ion | But it would naturally be quite nice to get the accurate lists from the modules themselves. | 03:26 |
| BenC | _ion: I'm not sure of the side effects of putting actual module aliases in there | 03:29 |
| BenC | worried about autoloading and such | 03:30 |
| BenC | kylem: Do you have a comparison handy of the ABI changes from the HPA patch? | 03:30 |
| kylem | yeah | 03:30 |
| _ion | benc: The current aliases in the modules are only *broader*. If the modules are being autoloaded with the modified patterns, they're *definitely* being autoloaded with the current patterns. | 03:30 |
| cjwatson | not massively happy about overriding abichecker warnings - nearly every time we've done that before it's bitten us, and we swore not to do it again | 03:31 |
| BenC | cjwatson: well, before we ignored actual ABI changes | 03:31 |
| kylem | iirc this one only effects libata-core symbols | 03:31 |
| kylem | there should be no binary modules like that... | 03:31 |
| BenC | cjwatson: the problem with the checker is that it is not smart enough to tell when a function moves without change | 03:32 |
| BenC | cjwatson: moving without change really isn't a problem so long as all the symbols stay in the same package | 03:32 |
| _ion | benc: But anyway, the current way is fine for feisty. | 03:33 |
| BenC | but I worry that HPA does more than move the symbols | 03:33 |
| kylem | BenC, it doesn't change function prototypes or anything | 03:33 |
| BenC | _ion: I'm following KISS right now :) | 03:33 |
| _ion | benc: Yeah. :-) | 03:33 |
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| rtg | mjg59_: I'm not ignoring you. I just have too many balls in the air. I'm also looking at wpasupplicant source. | 03:48 |
| mjg59_ | rtg: No problem | 03:49 |
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| kylem | BenC, kyle.mcmartin.ca/abi | 03:54 |
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| mjg59_ | kylem: Good to go with the HPA code and the lba48 fix | 04:00 |
| kylem | you're sure? | 04:01 |
| mjg59_ | Yes | 04:01 |
| kylem | and it's using piix? | 04:01 |
| mjg59_ | It's coming up with ata_piix and I'm getting good values | 04:01 |
| kylem | can you try a cold boot? | 04:01 |
| mjg59_ | That was a cold boot | 04:01 |
| mjg59_ | Want me to try a warm one? | 04:01 |
| kylem | sure. | 04:02 |
| mjg59_ | kylem: Still good. Ship it. | 04:05 |
| kylem | thanks. | 04:05 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 2.6.20-14.22 Uploaded - If you aren't using it, then you risk your bugs not getting fixed. | BUG STATUS (2.6.20): 352 Open, 6 Unconfirmed, 6 Unassigned | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Sun Apr 1 19:07:28 2007 | ||
| (rtg/#ubuntu-kernel) BenC: looking... | 04:28 | |
| zul | yay.. | 04:33 |
| BenC | maks_: ping | 05:00 |
| maks_ | BenC: around | 05:01 |
| maks_ | btw i switched initramfs-tools repo to git | 05:01 |
| BenC | maks_: Hey, where's the patch that makes update-initramfs pull the .bak when it fails for kernel version? | 05:01 |
| maks_ | yes | 05:01 |
| maks_ | directly out of LP, let me dig the bug nr | 05:02 |
| maks_ | -> http://git.debian.org/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dfd85f416a10b1c41ca7005de38b58715c04472;hp=c4343742b3bf028e467ac8a58ead95c9bfefc628 | 05:02 |
| BenC | maks_: thanks | 05:03 |
| kylem | mjg59_, do we want to keep my reprogram piix as ahci patch anyway or should i turf it? | 05:03 |
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| kylem | ok good | 05:32 |
| kylem | it wasn't me who broke the abi now. ;-) | 05:32 |
| kylem | something is friggity fucked, i'm getting the same abi differences with the patches reverted. | 05:32 |
| kylem | and i know they actually reverted since i'm getting the kvm diff too | 05:33 |
| rtg | BenC: I just emailed a proposed patch for bug #96480. Lemme know if it seems reasonable. | 05:34 |
| maks_ | BenC: np, patch works for given testcase :) | 05:43 |
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| BenC | rtg: reviewing | 05:50 |
| BenC | rtg: I think the missing element is setting adapter.name...all the other i2c_add_adapter() uses I see don't need to call device_initialize(), but they do set .name | 05:53 |
| rtg | BenC: You might be right. device_register() calls device_initialize(). | 05:55 |
| pkl_ | The "**WARNING** I2C adapter driver [] forgot to specify physical device; fix it!" message itself is harmless | 05:57 |
| rtg | pkl: except for the name which is NULL. | 05:57 |
| pkl_ | yeah | 05:58 |
| pkl_ | I've chery-picked a patch from 2.6.21-rc1 that remove that warning. | 05:58 |
| BenC | that shows up for nvidia too | 05:59 |
| pkl_ | s/chery/cherry/ | 05:59 |
| BenC | or maybe it was ati | 05:59 |
| BenC | rtg: Could you see about getting a built kernel to that person for testing? | 05:59 |
| BenC | rtg: Might be able to get away with just sending them the module compiled for -generic if they seem capable enough to add it in /lib/modules/... | 05:59 |
| rtg | BenC: Yes. I'm still trying to figure out what the name should be. | 06:00 |
| BenC | "ACPI EC HC smbus driver" | 06:00 |
| BenC | seems ok | 06:00 |
| rtg | Isn't there an instance number? | 06:00 |
| BenC | snprintf(smbus->adapter.name, I2C_NAME_SIZE, | 06:01 |
| BenC | "SMBus nForce2 adapter at %04x", smbus->base); | 06:01 |
| BenC | guess you can do something like that | 06:01 |
| rtg | BenC: I'm looking upstream to see what they have done. | 06:01 |
| BenC | ok | 06:01 |
| mjg59_ | kylem: Eh, depends if you think it's worth it. It's certainly not high-risk. | 06:05 |
| mjg59_ | Sorry, certainly not high-priority | 06:05 |
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| kylem | yeah | 06:16 |
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| BenC | ok, I've had my morning burn in time, need lunch | 06:26 |
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| BenC | Looks like today might be a good day to start on feisty+1 kernel tree | 06:40 |
| zul | yay! | 06:40 |
| BenC | looking forward to dumping kernel-package from build-deps | 06:40 |
| zul | BenC: I think everybody is | 06:41 |
| === kylem really thinks we should re-evaluate the effectiveness of git though... | ||
| zul | *cough* mercurcial *cough* | 06:41 |
| BenC | kylem: I think removing the ubuntu/* stuff from our main tree will help alleviate most of our problems | 06:41 |
| kylem | no. but it really makes it quite difficult to see precisely what code we changed. | 06:42 |
| BenC | git-diff-tree upstream-linux..HEAD | 06:42 |
| zul | BenC: the cp build/vanilla build/ubuntu-xen idea is still ok isnt it? | 06:42 |
| kylem | that doesn't work nearly as well as you'd think | 06:42 |
| kylem | and provides no context | 06:42 |
| BenC | kylem: I think if I also started enforcing a rebase instead of just merging, it would go a long way to help that too | 06:43 |
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| kylem | keeping all patches in quilt and keeping the quilt-with-all-patches tree in git would not be too bad... | 06:44 |
| kylem | but yea, i agree | 06:45 |
| kylem | ubuntu/ out of the maintree would help phenomenally. | 06:45 |
| cjwatson | building in .diff.gz mode way earlier would help | 06:45 |
| BenC | cjwatson: we might be able to do that for feisty+1 with ubuntu/* in a separate package | 06:46 |
| BenC | it's all our third part drivers that kept that from being sane | 06:46 |
| BenC | *party | 06:46 |
| cjwatson | well, also basing on 2.6.20 before it was out | 06:47 |
| zul | keeping an ubuntu/patches list would be cool for 3rd party crack (ie: xen openvz) | 06:47 |
| BenC | the other problem is the amount of actual patches we have to the main repo | 06:47 |
| BenC | we have patches we've been carrying around since breezy because upstream wont take it, or the real fixes are "being worked on" | 06:47 |
| kylem | well, with a bigger kernel team, it's possible we'll actually be able to do proper fixes for some of them, no? | 06:48 |
| BenC | yeah, I'm hoping that's what happens :) | 06:48 |
| zul | community can help as well ;) | 06:48 |
| BenC | once I get feisty+1 tree open, we can identify them, and work to have them upstream for next kernel | 06:49 |
| BenC | based on release times, I think feisty+1 will end up being 2.6.22, so that gives us that merge window to send things to linus et al | 06:50 |
| BenC | it's cool that feisty will end up releasing with the latest stable kernel version instead of a 1 or 2 out version :) | 06:52 |
| cjwatson | I think that's worked out relatively well and will work well for feisty+1 too, but maybe not for feisty+2 | 06:52 |
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| cjwatson | or whichever ends up being LTS (but current projection is feisty+2 I think) | 06:53 |
| kylem | so next october would be LTS? | 06:53 |
| BenC | yeah, we'll need more cooking time on that one | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | feisty+2 == April 2008 | 06:54 |
| kylem | ah, right | 06:54 |
| BenC | FYI, I'll be moving ubuntu-2.6.git over to ubuntu-feisty.git sometime in the next few days | 06:55 |
| BenC | so if ubuntu-2.6 goes missing, or shows up as not of the same parent, you'll know why :) | 06:56 |
| kylem | would it not be easier just to name them ubuntu-${mascot} from the beginning :) | 06:56 |
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| BenC | that would be like intuitive or something...not really my style | 06:57 |
| zul | hah | 06:57 |
| kylem | :P | 06:57 |
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| BenC | problem is I don't know $mascot for feisty+1 yet :P | 06:57 |
| kylem | i don't think it's been announced yet, so you have a point there, :\ | 06:58 |
| zul | how about ubuntu-dev | 06:58 |
| BenC | not really much better than ubuntu-2.6 | 06:58 |
| zul | ubuntu-im-going-to-break-it-nyeah-nyeah.git | 06:59 |
| BenC | ubuntu-good-bear.git | 07:03 |
| kylem | BenC, *shudder* | 07:03 |
| BenC | And anyone that corrects me on why that isn't a good bear, gets the award for being most pedantic :) | 07:04 |
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| rtg | BenC: I still think bug #96480 is because of an uninitialized device structure. I'm betting it is an uninitialized parent in device_add():464. Could this be a race with platform_bus_init()? I'm almost sure that could be the case in 2.6.20-20.12 when folks get the "forgot to specify physical device" message. | 08:20 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Around? | 10:46 |
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| BenC | jbailey: yeah | 11:25 |
| anti_pop | sorry, i know its not a support channel. but i cant find an answer: should i use the -generic kernel oder -386 (my cpu is amd athlon xp) | 11:27 |
| jbailey | BenC: Heya, I don't think we ever finished talking about the best way for out-of-tree modules to get updated. | 11:27 |
| jbailey | BenC: Is now a good time? | 11:27 |
| BenC | jbailey: given the recent experience with vbox, I'm leaning toward not putting them in the kernel :) | 11:27 |
| Nafallo | anti_pop: generic, as the description says. | 11:28 |
| jbailey | BenC: Right, so I think we were last stuck at the fact that I was concerned that building them on boot meant that boot time wouldn't be deterministic after an upgrade. | 11:29 |
| BenC | jbailey: ah, right | 11:29 |
| BenC | jbailey: should we reserve some topic time at UDS? | 11:29 |
| anti_pop | ok, thats what i used to. but somehow im running -386 now, will return to generic. thanks to the team for providing nvidias 9631 driver now (!) | 11:30 |
| BenC | will you be there? | 11:30 |
| jbailey | I won't be. I'm giving a talk at JavaOne this year. | 11:30 |
| BenC | jbailey: will anyone from support be there? | 11:30 |
| jbailey | Besides, after the stories of the last trip to Spain, I think this vegan can stay home. =) | 11:30 |
| jbailey | Yup, Etienne and Fabian will both be there. | 11:30 |
| BenC | Ok, from what I understand the kernel team will have a room reserved for adhoc discussions, so maybe this is a good topic for rounding those two up | 11:31 |
| jbailey | Etienne will certainly want it fixed, I'm not sure if he cares much what the solution is, so long as there's something standard he can plug into. | 11:31 |
| jbailey | Ah, nice. | 11:31 |
| jbailey | If you're gobbied up and I'm not on the west coast at that particular moment, I'll try to tune in. | 11:31 |
| jbailey | I suspect I will be. I'm in the bay area for a week. | 11:31 |
| BenC | the feisty+1 kernel build system will be built from scratch and we plan to implement some hooks for different things | 11:31 |
| jbailey | Ooo. Are we doing the no-more-make-kpkg dance? | 11:32 |
| BenC | yes, amen | 11:32 |
| jbailey | 'cause making those hppa patches was really miserable. =) | 11:32 |
| BenC | I have an hppa here that I need to get back up, so I should be able to keep it building this time | 11:33 |
| BenC | I stopped messing with it after edgy stopped booting for me :) | 11:33 |
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| jbailey | Nice. Hppa should generally work well for feisty+1 I think. | 11:33 |
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