[12:25] <ScottK> Bug #80287 has a fix ready for upload if anyone from UUS is there.  It's a hack, but it works and time is short...
[12:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 80287 in pysol "Doesn't start in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80287
[12:26] <ScottK> And I did do the good citizenship bit and file a bug against Python.  See Bug #104971 for details.
[12:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 104971 in python-defaults "Python path appears to be not fully searched - intermittent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104971
[12:36] <crimsun> LOCK 80287
[12:36] <shawarma> ?
[12:36] <ajmitch> shawarma: crimsun is marking out his territory on bugs
[12:38] <shawarma> ajmitch: Eh... ok..
[12:39] <crimsun> uploaded, UNLOCK 80287
[12:41] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  The update for bug #104817 that you uploaded earlier today still hasn't shown up.  Is that normal for the current state of the queue?
[12:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 104817 in pop-before-smtp "Feisty pop-before-smtp depends on Exim, not Postfix" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104817
[12:41] <crimsun> ScottK: I haven't received an ACCEPT for it yet. Everything (the archive) is in manual mode.
[12:41] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I won't panic then.
[12:42] <crimsun> I think it's a bank holiday in many EU countries, so most of the work done today is likely off the clock.
[12:43] <ScottK> Thanks.  Didn't know that.
[12:48] <shawarma> It's not in the US?
[12:48] <ajmitch> shawarma: I don't think any archive admins are in the US
[12:49] <shawarma> ajmitch: True, but isn't today a bank holiday outside Europe?
[12:49] <shawarma> ajmitch: Where today is yesterday in your world.
[12:49] <shawarma> ajmitch: Monday.
[12:49] <ajmitch> fairly likely, but that depends on the country
[12:50] <ajmitch> it is in NZ
[12:50] <shawarma> ajmitch: Indeed. That's why I specifically asked about the US. :-)
[12:50] <ScottK> Easter Monday is not a holiday in the US.  Our kids have it off from school, but not us adults.
[12:50] <shawarma> ScottK: Hm.. Interesting.
[12:57] <jdong> ScottK: we didn't get any days off for easter
[12:57] <ajmitch> not even friday?
[12:57] <jdong> ScottK: because we are being forced to work our butts off :)
[12:57] <jdong> nope.
[12:57] <jdong> not a day.
[12:58] <ajmitch> suck
[12:59] <joejaxx> how much space is required to be an archive mirror?
[12:59] <ajmitch> "plenty"
[12:59] <ajmitch> I can't say how much for a full archive
[01:01] <shawarma> If you have to ask, you don't have enough. :-D
[01:02] <shawarma> Not entirely true, but close.
[02:56] <dcsmith> I have a question about evolution plugins?
[02:56] <dcsmith> I found an extra one redhat ships
[02:56] <dcsmith> patched it so it will compile, and would like to get it in universe?
[02:59] <micahcowan> If I have submitted a patch for a bug, should I tag that bug with something? (I'm not expecting to get it in for feisty)
[03:02] <welshbyte> micahcowan: no you just need to subscribe the appropriate sponsor group e.g. ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[03:02] <ajmitch> dcsmith: probably a good idea to look at both the packaging guide, and other evolution plugins to see how they're built
[03:04] <micahcowan> welshbyte, thanks. :)
[03:06] <dcsmith> ajmitch: well there's a evolution-plugins-experimental, but I can't find the maintainer on launchpad, Ideally shouldn't it go in there?
[03:32] <jdong> bug 45930
[03:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 45930 in joystick "jstest SEGFAULTs with usb joystick" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45930
[03:32] <jdong> are non-critical bugs not candidate for SRU?
[03:34] <jdong> moreover... "However, the version that has been released for edgy work as-is on Dapper; simply downloading that package and installing it via "dpkg -i <package.deb>" should work fine. I'd recommend suggesting that to any who would like the fix on their Dapper systems."
[03:34] <jdong> is that really advice we should be giving users? ;-)
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya
[03:50] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:50] <bddebian> heh
[03:52] <jdong> Jucato: that's better than Debian
[03:52] <jdong> hehe joking :)
[03:53] <bddebian> doh, ouch
[03:54] <jdong> ha I meant it amicably, I do love Debian and have nothing against its release cycle :)
[03:55] <Jucato> 2-3 year release cylce?
[03:56] <jdong> it's the best they can do given the goals that they have
[03:56] <jdong> if we tried to erradicate all universe bugs before release....
[04:01] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[04:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[04:01] <nixternal> Hobbsee!!!!
[04:01] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: !
[04:01] <nixternal> haha
[04:02] <nixternal> you got suckered by irssi
[04:02] <joejaxx> :)
[04:02] <nixternal> I almost did as well
[04:02] <joejaxx> h<tab>! :)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, joejaxx!
[04:03] <nixternal> hehe
[04:03] <joejaxx> :)
[04:04] <Jucato> hi nixternal
[04:04] <bddebian> ajmitch!!
[04:04] <bddebian> nixternal!!
[04:04] <bddebian> Hobbsee!!
[04:04] <bddebian> joejaxx!!
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian1
[04:04] <joejaxx> lol
[04:04] <joejaxx> that makes us all look like a botnet
[04:04] <bddebian> heh
[04:05] <Jucato> or makes bddebian look like a bot :)
[04:05] <joejaxx> yeah that too :P
[04:05] <bddebian> Nah not a bot, just a schlub :-(
[04:05] <nixternal> stop making the popups!!!
[04:06] <jmg> schlub also shlub (shl.b) pronunciation or zhlub (zhl.b)
[04:06] <jmg> n. Slang.
[04:06] <jmg> A person regarded as clumsy, stupid, or unattractive.
[04:06] <nixternal> that is me!
[04:07] <Jucato> nixternal: what popups?
[04:07] <nixternal> grrr
[04:28] <ajmitch> ah, good to see that there's crack floating around for the development branch of compiz
[04:30] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <jmg> heh
[04:34] <jmg> ajmitch: url?
[04:34] <ajmitch> forums, somewhere
[04:50] <joejaxx> anyone here work with reprepro for local repositories?
[04:50] <bddebian> I set it up once
[04:51] <joejaxx> bddebian: do you know if there is a way to have to only keep the newest version of packages?
[04:51] <bddebian> I thought it always overwrote with the newest? Hmm
[04:52] <joejaxx> it keepest older ones for me
[04:52] <joejaxx> which is bad in my case
[04:52] <bddebian> Hrm
[04:58] <crimsun> nice, gnome 2.18.1 trickling in
[05:00] <joejaxx> :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> must be about release time
[05:06] <joejaxx> nice
[05:06] <joejaxx> we hit almost 11k downloads on softpedia
[05:08] <ajmitch> white: that sucks
[05:13] <jmg> Lastlog:
[05:13] <jmg> 15:17 < ajmitch> white: that sucks
[05:13] <jmg> ?
[05:15] <ajmitch> he'll understand
[05:19] <jmg> clearly
[05:27] <ajmitch> jmg: it was in reply to a mailing list post of his
[05:28] <jmg> ajmitch: ok
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> geser: With regards to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wordpress/+bug/104944, Dapper has 2.0.2 (not listed as vulnerable), but dapper-backports has 2.1.2 (the one listed by Secunia).  If you do get around to this security update, it would go to -backports, if you hadn't noticed that already.
[05:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 104944 in wordpress "WordPress Post_ID Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[05:36] <Joe_CoT> i'm getting a weird error from pbuilder. I added libopenal-dev as a builld-depend, and i keep getting a " Couldn't find package libopenal-dev" error
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Mez: You may also be interested in the above ^^
[07:05] <Ademan> anyone know why kicad isn't packaged?
[07:06] <micahcowan> !info kicad
[07:06] <ubotu> Package kicad does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[07:07] <micahcowan> Ademan, it's in feisty :)
[07:07] <Ademan> yay!
[07:07] <Ademan> 10 more days...
[07:07] <micahcowan> ubotu, info kicad feisty
[07:07] <ubotu> kicad: Electronic schematic and PCB design software. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20060829-1 (feisty), package size 2117 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[07:08] <Ademan> i've had a sudden interest in electronic engineering, and i've been reading up, and i noticed it wasn't in the repos
[07:09] <Ademan> but very good, happy to hear that
[07:10] <Flannel> Ademan: there are others currently in it, electric, oregano, qucs, xcircuit, etc
[07:11] <Ademan> yeah, i had just heard good things about kicad
[08:04] <imbrandon> moins
[08:04] <RAOF> mushi mushi!
[08:07] <Jucato> ano ne?
[08:08] <RAOF> Japaneese.  "mushi mushi" is the limit of his :)
[08:09] <Jucato> it's the traditional response to moshi moshi :)
[08:12] <RAOF> :)
[08:18] <micahcowan> 
[08:19] <joejaxx> hello imbrandon 
[09:00] <imbrandon> 
[09:25] <dholbach> good morning
[09:26] <RAOF> Good evening :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> heya dholbach 
[09:26] <dholbach> hey RAOF
[09:26] <StevenK> RAOF: It's still afternoon!
[09:26] <RAOF> Is there an ISO standard evening transition? :)
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach 
[09:27] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[09:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:27] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> hi RAOF!
[09:29] <RAOF> :)
[09:30] <RAOF> Oh, that reminds me.  What do we have to do to get democracyplayer removed from the archives
[09:31] <Hobbsee> file a removal request
[09:31] <Hobbsee> subscribe ubuntu-archive
[09:31] <RAOF> Well, if no one else wants to touch it, we probably should do that.  It's just broken, and I don't think I can fix it.
[09:33] <Joe_CoT> still trying to get the hang of this. How does one make the symlink from the binary in /usr/lib to /usr/bin ? is that done in rules, or postinst, or am i just wrong? :)
[09:35] <StevenK> Why are you installing user binary into /usr/lib?
[09:38] <Joe_CoT> well, not directly into /usr/lib. I'm packaging the engine for World of Padman. I have it install as /usr/lib/wop/wop-engine
[09:40] <StevenK> Why?
[09:41] <superm1> RAOF, i haven't followed this democracy mess thats going on, but why are we still on an older version in feisty right now?  a functional deb of the newer version is available on the democracy website
[09:41] <RAOF> superm1: Functional in what way?  It (1) fails to install on Feisty, and (2) Segfaults if you try anyway.
[09:41] <StevenK> Yummy
[09:42] <superm1> RAOF, ah indeed -  just tried it.  spoke a little too soon :)
[09:42] <RAOF> I *think* the segfault may be due to trying to load the wrong libgtkembedmoz.so, but I don't really know how to fix that.
[09:42] <Joe_CoT> StevenK: nvm. I took a look at the way Tremulous does it
[09:43] <StevenK> RAOF: Which makes it a linking problem
[09:43] <RAOF> Yeah, it's trying to use mozilla-dev (why do packages refuse to link to versioned .so files?)
[09:43] <RAOF> Which no longer exists :)
[09:45] <RAOF> Actually, a quick strace suggests otherwise.  Why is libpython2.5 being loaded?
[09:46] <RAOF> (democracyplayer is built against python2.4, and has the appropriate shebang)
[09:50] <RAOF> Oh, that's more interesting.  Why does libboost-python only exist for python2.5 ?
[09:50] <RAOF> Yo, Amaranth, python god that you are.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: because it's borken.
[09:51] <RAOF> Ok.  So, in summary.  Democracyplayer will only work correctly on python2.4 (without a whole lot of futzing around)
[09:51] <RAOF> democracyplayer is dependent on libboost-python, which is only available for python2.5
[09:52] <Hobbsee> what happens if libboost-python isnt installed?
[09:52] <RAOF> An interesting question.
[09:53] <Hobbsee> RAOF: file a bug, say if it has any rdpeneds or not, subscribe u-a (and u-u-s, as you're not a MOTU, last i knew)
[09:53] <RAOF> Yup, still not a MOTU :)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:54] <superm1> RAOF, do you know off hand if the newer version (0.9.5) still needs to work against python 2.4?
[09:54] <superm1> there is the possibility of a uvfe if it works against python 2.5 with minimal source changes
[09:54] <RAOF> superm1: That's what I've tried now.
[09:55] <superm1> oh okay
[09:55] <RAOF> superm1: It doesn't build correctly against python2.5.  Apparently it needs a newer python-pyrex, with an additional patch against that.
[09:55] <superm1> so a step ahead of me, as i was just starting to attempt to assembled a deb of 0.9.5
[09:55] <RAOF> superm1: I've already tried, with 0.9.5.3.  Including the "don't use non-public DBUS api patch" :)
[09:56] <superm1> didn't see that patch?
[09:57] <RAOF> It's on trac.  That's where I got the "needs new pyrex" info.
[09:58] <superm1> the only rdepend on python-pyrex is penguintv
[09:58] <superm1> wonder if a uvf for it for the purpose of democracy player functionality would be possible then
[09:59] <RAOF> I suppose I could *try* that.
[09:59] <joejaxx> how are arches in ports.ubuntu.com proposed?
[09:59] <StevenK> RAOF: I'd suggest you talk to Mithrandir about it.
[10:00] <RAOF> I might just check whether a new pyrex *actually* fixes it, first.
[10:00] <superm1> StevenK, before even talking to Mithrandir, make sure it actually works :
[10:00] <superm1> most likely
[10:00] <superm1> oh ^^ :)
[10:00] <RAOF> Also, this is much more work than I was planning to spend on a package I don't even use :)
[10:00] <StevenK> And RAOF beats you again. :-P
[10:01] <superm1> man i'm just not on my game tonite.  must be 3 in the morning when I should have gone to bed hours ago :)
[10:03] <RAOF> ...and prunes some more dups of the one true bug while debian is being slow
[10:04] <\sh> moins
[10:05] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[10:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: heh.  i keep doing that
[10:07] <superm1> you'd think there was some new debian release with how slow their servers were though. hehe
[10:08] <joejaxx> there is
[10:08] <joejaxx> we released etch on sunday lol
[10:08] <superm1> joejaxx, yea i know :)
[10:08] <joejaxx> :)
[10:10] <joejaxx> does anyone know why amd64 is in archive.u.c and ports.u.c?
[10:12] <superm1> RAOF, since packages.debian.org timed out, i looked here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pyrex.html
[10:12] <ScottK> RAOF: It's slow, but running.
[10:12] <superm1> looks like 0.9.4.1 is the latest for them
[10:12] <superm1> which is the same as what we have
[10:12] <RAOF> Oh, and the bug references 0.9.5 :(
[10:14] <RAOF> So, who thinks it's a good idea for me to try and build a new upstream-version pyrex package?
[10:16] <RAOF> Oh, and add what seems to be an obviously incorrect patch to it >:-|
[10:16] <superm1> worst that could happen is that you lose a few cpu cycles in a pbuilder
[10:16] <RAOF> Well, and some time :P
[10:18] <\sh> dear motu-uvf team, please review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/105054 and approve..will fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/104964 and hopefully some other bugs
[10:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 105054 in wine "[UVF Execption Report]  wine 0.9.34-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[10:19] <cypher1> is 915resolution package only useful along with X ?
[10:20] <RAOF> Is anyone in here familiar with python2.5's C extension API?  I'd like to fix this patch up properly.
[10:24] <joejaxx> great 
[10:24] <joejaxx> hello dholbach_ 
[10:25] <dholbach> hey joejaxx
[10:29] <joejaxx> :)
[10:35] <gnomefreak> good morning 
[10:35] <joejaxx> Good Morning gnomefreak :)
[10:36] <joejaxx> hmm
[10:36] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:36] <joejaxx> do anyone know if there is a list of packages that do not have the ubuntu# modification?
[10:37] <StevenK> Yes. In the packages file.
[10:39] <joejaxx> well i was actually talking about a launchpad-like-readable list
[10:39] <joejaxx> but i guess i can create a little script to do it
[10:39] <joejaxx> :)
[10:40] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% zcat m-l/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep-dctrl -sPackage -FVersion -v 'ubuntu' | wc -l
[10:40] <StevenK> 2243
[10:40] <StevenK> A little script? It's one line!
[10:40] <joejaxx> that only counts lines
[10:41] <TheMuso> StevenK: What about rebuilds? :p
[10:41] <joejaxx> that too lol
[10:41] <joejaxx> that was my main concern
[10:41] <StevenK> TheMuso: They don't have Ubuntu specific changes
[10:41] <TheMuso> StevenK: I know that.
[10:42] <StevenK> joejaxx: So take out the wc -l, duh
[10:42] <joejaxx> StevenK: :P i know i was only being funny :P
[10:42] <joejaxx> hahaha
[10:42] <joejaxx> maybe if i was up a couple more days
[10:44] <joejaxx> StevenK: the reason i was going to script it is because it is going to be a part of a large script
[10:44] <StevenK> To do what?
[10:44] <joejaxx> i need to rebuild all the packages that do not have a ubuntu modification
[10:45] <joejaxx> well probably just main first
[10:45] <StevenK> *Why*?
[10:45] <joejaxx> yeah just main
[10:46] <ajmitch> that's very community-oriented :P
[10:46] <StevenK> Incredibly.
[10:46] <StevenK> "I want your help. Oh no, I can't tell you what I'm doing or why you're helping."
[10:46] <joejaxx> StevenK: haha :P
[10:47] <TheMuso> joejaxx: Dude, if you tell us, maybe some of us might be able to pitch in with hardware.
[10:47] <TheMuso> To at least help you get going.
[10:47] <joejaxx> StevenK: oh yes i will be sending out black box computers with everything unbranded 
[10:47] <joejaxx> StevenK: LOL
[10:47] <joejaxx> TheMuso: well i did not want to announce it yet as may is not here yet :\
[10:48] <imbrandon> yaubuntu ?
[10:48] <joejaxx> yaubuntu?
[10:48] <imbrandon> yet-another-ubuntu
[10:48] <imbrandon> :)
[10:48] <TheMuso> heh
[10:48] <joejaxx> ah
[10:48] <joejaxx> no not another distro :P
[10:49] <imbrandon> like yast, yet another system tool
[10:49] <joejaxx> s/distro/derivative/g
[10:50] <StevenK> If it isn't another distro, then why rebuild everything?
[10:51] <lupine_85> new architecture?
[10:51] <joejaxx> StevenK: i said port not distro :P
[10:51] <StevenK> TheMuso: It needs to be manually bootstrapped.
[10:51] <imbrandon> TheMuso, bootstrap ?
[10:51] <TheMuso> StevenK: Um ok. What does that involve?
[10:52] <imbrandon> getting an sysadmin to install it on the buildd chroot and make a package manualy to use to build the new one
[10:52] <imbrandon> chicken and the egg
[10:53] <TheMuso> But if there is no previous binary available for that arch, i.e no binary package, how could that possibly be done then?
[10:54] <imbrandon> e.g. compile it manualy from source on the buildd chroot
[10:54] <TheMuso> Right
[10:54] <TheMuso> But it needs itself to compile the compiler.
[10:54] <imbrandon> there is a binary SOMEWHERE rigth ?
[10:54] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Dunno. Going to have a look.
[11:00] <TheMuso> Nope. No deb for that arch since Warty, but Debian has a deb. SO I guess the admin would have to use that as a base.
[11:00] <imbrandon> or a binary from upstream
[11:00] <TheMuso> I guess its not worth worrying about till Feisty+1 though really.
[11:01] <TheMuso> For that complex a job.
[11:19] <TheMuso> Is it just me, or were UVF requests not filed for previous merge/syncs that were listed on the universe sponsors mailing list, or am I not understanding part of the UVF procedure correctly?
[11:23] <geser> have you an example?
[11:24] <TheMuso> geser: tripwire, transcriber, timidity to name a few.
[11:26] <geser> that were only new debian revisions not new upstream versions
[11:26] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[11:27] <TheMuso> So that doesn't count as upstream then... Ok.
[11:28] <StevenK> Upstream is just upstream. Debian doesn't count as upstream
[11:29] <TheMuso> ok
[11:30] <geser> it's only tricky with native packages (where upstream = Debian)
[11:31] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:31] <TheMuso> Just found the docs on the wiki in MOTU. I am wondering whether that should be stated a little more clearly.
[11:32] <imbrandon> seems pretty clear to me, debian is not one that changes upstream version numbers
[11:32] <imbrandon> only revisions
[11:32] <TheMuso> Yeah I know tha.
[11:32] <TheMuso> that
[11:33] <imbrandon> :)
[11:33] <TheMuso> We go into hard freeze for MOTU this week don't we?
[11:34] <geser> afaik April 12th
[11:34] <TheMuso> Yeah this Thursday.
[11:36] <imbrandon> moving ?
[11:36] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Moving house, yes.
[11:37] <imbrandon> cool
[11:53] <PhinnFort> ok, can someone try to install xfsprogs and run xfs_check?
[11:53] <PhinnFort> just run it against any filesystem, it should fail to start
[12:11] <DarkSun88> Hi
[01:19] <RAOF> Why isn't dh_pycentral providing a {$python:Provides} substitution, like the manpage says it should?
[01:26] <gpocentek> RAOF: ${python:Provides}, not {$python:Provides}
[01:29] <jekil> hello
[01:51] <RAOF> Ok, so democracyplayer now, as long as I preload a couple of libraries, doesn't segfault.  Huzzah.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yay!
[01:51] <RAOF> Oh, did I mention that it doesn't download anything?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> it did before?
[01:52] <RAOF> Well, it should.
[01:52] <RAOF> Otherwise it is totally useless.
[01:52] <RAOF> But at least it doesn't segfault.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:52] <Hobbsee> that's a start, at least
[01:53] <RAOF> Yes.  Now, to either (1) work out how other things link to firefox, and why the database module isn't getting linked to libpython or (2) go to bed.
[01:53] <RAOF> I'm going with (2)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:54] <Hobbsee> did you update it to the latest version?
[01:54] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> right, so it'll need a UVFe
[01:54] <RAOF> Only once it actually *does* something.
[01:54] <RAOF> Ooooh, I probably know why the download doesn't work.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> it's not bedtime yet, anyway
[02:07] <RAOF> Huzzah.  It even downloads!
[02:26] <RAOF> Ok, so now I need to (1) learn how to make democracyplayer's database extension module *really* link to libpython, and (2) learn how to make the Mozilla extension module link to libgtkembedmoz.so
[02:27] <RAOF> Amaranth: Extension modules *should* be linked against libpython, right?
[02:42] <TheMuso> iceman: Please turn off away notifications.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> !away 
[02:42] <Hobbsee> !away | iceman 
[02:42] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[02:42] <ubotu> iceman: please see above
[02:42] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Heh that is more eloquent.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:42] <iceman> I'm sorry, I just typed "/away msg" and xchat-gnome did this...
[02:43] <iceman> can you prevent x-g to say I'm away on every channel?
[02:43] <RAOF> Ok.  How do other programs link to gtkembedmoz?
[02:44] <RAOF> Anyway, now it's *definitely* bed time.
[02:45] <RAOF> Night, all!
[02:53] <AnAnt> Hello, there is a package I made (acon) which is used to display arabic on linux virtual console. That package used to work in Edgy, now it doesn't work correctly in Feisty, that is some key combinations give wrong results.
[02:53] <AnAnt> can anyone help ?
[03:36] <ScottK> AnAnt: It is two days before the final Feisty freeze for Universe packages.  I suggest you file a bug with all of the specifics and then ask here again.  See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acon/+filebug
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: AnAnt or fix it yourself, as you uploaded it...
[03:42] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: I tried
[03:42] <Hobbsee> or give us enoough info to help...
[03:43] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: well, CTRL+ALT+O used to show up a menu, now it doesn't do so
[03:43] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: did the package get upgraded in feisty?
[03:44] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: no, it is the same upstream
[03:46] <sacater> on launchpad karma, what does 'support tracker' count as
[03:46] <sacater> Q+A?
[03:46] <geser> answers.launchpad.net
[03:46] <sacater> i gained 1217 over night
[03:46] <sacater> https://launchpad.net/~sacater/+karma
[03:46] <sacater> when does answers get cashed up?
[03:53] <stalker> guys, i am trying to compile my program with iconv, and ubuntu ave strange iconv package
[03:54] <TheMuso> stalker: Ok whats so strange about it?
[03:54] <stalker> actually, it don't define iconvctl() function in /usr/include/iconv.h
[03:54] <TheMuso> Have you used apt-cache search to search for any packages relating to iconv?
[03:54] <stalker> and several other #defines
[03:54] <stalker> yrs, but nothing
[03:54] <stalker> yes*
[03:54] <TheMuso> stalker: Ok so let me get this straight. You have the header files sorted etc, yet particular defines are not present
[03:54] <stalker> yes
[03:55] <TheMuso> ah ok
[03:55] <TheMuso> Have you checked whether the Debian package has what you need?
[03:55] <TheMuso> Oh and what version of Ubuntu are you running
[03:55] <stalker> 6.10, and...i'm new with debian/ubuntu, used slackware for ages
[03:56] <stalker> so i kind of don;'t know for those...debian packages how to get
[03:57] <TheMuso> Ok. For a start, you could use packages.debian.org to find the package you want, and download it. Then you could manually unpack it and check.
[03:57] <TheMuso> There is also a chance that the package in Feisty may have what you need.
[03:57] <stalker> i'll search right away
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:00] <stalker> and where i can look at feisty package for iconv?
[04:00] <TheMuso> stalker: packages.ubuntu.com may have what you need, but it tends to be out of date.
[04:01] <Lutin> h bddebian 
[04:01] <Lutin> hi*
[04:01] <ScottK> Good morning bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi Lutin
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[04:01] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:02] <stalker> i even can't find package that ships /usr/include/iconv.h
[04:02] <bddebian> dpkg -S ?
[04:02] <stalker> it isn't iconv,libiconv...
[04:02] <TheMuso> stalker: Is there a libiconv-dev package of some sort?
[04:02] <TheMuso> I would think there is.
[04:02] <AstralJava> I would have to recommend using dlocate.
[04:03] <TheMuso> There is also apt-file.
[04:03] <stalker> nope, nothing that has iconv in its name...
[04:03] <jdong> libc6-dev: usr/include/iconv.h
[04:03] <stalker> ooooh, libc-dev package
[04:03] <AstralJava> jaska@ardbeg:~$ dlocate iconv.h
[04:03] <AstralJava> libc6-dev: /usr/include/iconv.h
[04:03] <AstralJava> Oh, sorry.
[04:03] <jdong> jinx
[04:03] <jdong> now you owe me a beer.
[04:03] <bddebian> heh
[04:03] <jdong> lol
[04:03] <jdong> I think those were the rules when I played it last time...
[04:03] <jdong> which was like 12 or 13 or something
[04:04] <poningru> mmmm beer
[04:04] <stalker> so, libc6-dev is not something to be changed easily
[04:04] <AstralJava> You played of beer when you were an early teenager? ;)
[04:04] <DarkMageZ> you have to say it @ the same time. so it does not apply
[04:05] <stalker> nvm...i'll just install iconv from source with --prefix=/usr
[04:05] <jdong> DarkMageZ: close enough :)
[04:06] <jdong> AstralJava: yes yes, then it turn into playing for cocaine, and that other leafy thingie.....
[04:06] <AstralJava> Tea?
[04:06] <jdong> no, lettuce.
[04:06] <AstralJava> Oh, sorry. :)
[04:06] <AstralJava> I haven't played that game. :)
[04:06] <jdong> only it didn't taste like lettuce at all...
[04:06] <jdong> but they told me it was lettuce.
[04:11] <\sh> dholbach: what do you mean with retraced apports? you mean the retrace service which is attached to the actual apport bug reports? 
[04:12] <dholbach> yes
[04:13] <AstralJava> Hi dholbach! 
[04:13] <dholbach> hi AstralJava
[04:13] <AstralJava> US artwork in place. :) How're you doing?
[04:28] (crimsun/#ubuntu-motu) at this stage, I'd much rather just have the broken software be gone, complaints be damned
[04:28] (ScottK/#ubuntu-motu) There's always the option to make a new update that "accidentally" FTBFS and then fix it later.
[04:28] (Hobbsee/#ubuntu-motu) crimsun: +1 to me
[04:28] <Hobbsee> s/to/from/
[04:29] <ScottK> If no one is committed to do the work to fix it, then I'd say pull it too.
[04:29] <geser> what about democracyplayer? should it be dropped too?
[04:29] <imbrandon> geser, someone almost has that fixed iirc
[04:29] <Hobbsee> (that isnt being fixed)
[04:29] <geser> the current package is non-working (the dbus bug has currently collected over 60 dupes)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> geser: raof's done a lot of work on it, and it's almost usable
[04:30] <Hobbsee> which, hopefully, we'll be able to upload
[04:30] <geser> ah, didn't know
[04:30] <crimsun> geser: sadly, IMO, yes. Consider ROAF's opinion, too.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> as it's clearly going to be better than the current lot
[04:31] <geser> Hobbsee: do you know if he got passed the segfaults?
[04:31] <imbrandon> yes'
[04:31] <Hobbsee> geser: yeah, he did
[04:32] <imbrandon> nap time, back in 2 or 3 hours
[04:33] <crimsun> ah, Adri2000 uploaded doodle about 14 hours after I did
[04:33] <crimsun> that explains why my upload was rejected (well, not really, but whatever)
[04:38] <crimsun> dholbach: if you don't have any glaring objections to the complete removal of deluge-torrent, I'll file a bug
[04:39] <dholbach> crimsun: no, not at all
[04:39] <crimsun> ok, thanks.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and close the rest :P
[04:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you want me to close all the other democracyplayer bugs, or will you do that?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> (seeing as they're all fixed in feisty)
[04:57] <poningru> multiple bugs in bip
[04:57] <Hobbsee> poningru: ?
[04:57] <\sh> dholbach: using apport-retrace and installing libgcc1-dbgsym throws some errors :(
[04:58] <crimsun> Hobbsee: please, if you have the time, feel free. I'm resource-starved ATM.
[04:58] <poningru> Hobbsee: reporting bugs on bip right now
[04:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: great, OK
[04:58] <poningru> in feisty
[04:59] <dholbach> \sh: tag the bug as  needs-<arch>-retrace
[04:59] <dholbach> \sh: it will get auto-retraced
[05:00] <dholbach> \sh: read the mail on u-devel@ or u-devel-announce@
[05:00] <\sh> dholbach: no the retrace is there, without any debug syms sadly...but I think some dbgsym packages are not ok...I'll ask pitti about it
[05:01] <dholbach> ok
[05:03] <Hobbsee> all...gone....
[05:23] <_MMA_> Hey guys. Is there a Ubuntu-games team?
[05:26] <bddebian> There is but it's pretty dead in favor of the debian games team afaik
[05:26] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[05:26] <_MMA_> Ill have to look into that then.
[05:26] <_MMA_> thanx
[05:46] <_MMA_> bddebian: Is every new package Debian gets automatically synced to Ubuntu? ie: If I get a game in Debian would I have to request that it be synced for Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: you dont need to, as long as the autosyncer is on
[05:48] <_MMA_> Ok.
[05:51] <iceman> grr, sorry about that
[05:51] <iceman> xchat-gnome doesn't seem to understand I don't want away messages :-s
[05:52] <Hobbsee> it's not activated by default...i hope
[05:52] <cassidy> iceman: you should relaunch it after the modification of xchat.conf
[05:53] <iceman> cassidy: yeah, messy way to do it, by the way, directly into the .conf file
[05:53] <iceman> there should be a way inside the UI
[05:54] <cassidy> iceman: humm, IMHO this option is evil and shouldn't exist
[05:54] <iceman> then get rid of it ! But meanwhile it should be easy to de-activate it
[05:55] <iceman> Each time I go away people yell at me !
[06:08] <Adri2000> crimsun: sorry, I misunderstood your LOCK, I thought doodle merge was locked on me :p, so I did it and uploaded it
[06:30] <xtknight> ScottK, so you know where /etc/defaults/bip is written?
[06:31] <ScottK> Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage for a start
[06:31] <ScottK> Get the source package and then look in the debian dir for bip.default
[06:32] <xtknight> -rw-r--r-- 1 andy andy   10 2007-04-10 11:44 bip.default
[06:32] <xtknight> there we go
[06:32] <xtknight> will apt-get -b do it, actually?
[06:33] <ScottK> So the way we (who are not MOTU) fix bugs is make then change, build a new package, make a debdiff, attach it to the bug and then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[06:33] <xtknight> is it a problem that remove/purge do not wipe /var/run/bip and /var/log/bip ?
[06:34] <xtknight> or should log files be retained
[06:34] <ScottK> Log files should be retained and /var/run gets cleaned every reboot.
[06:34] <ScottK> problem
[06:34] <xtknight> ScottK, and what about "sudo bip" not working from the start?
[06:34] <xtknight> even tho init.d will with ENABLED=1
[06:35] <ScottK> That's a trickier one.
[06:36] <ScottK> I think if you change the init file to use -f /etc/bip.conf it'll be fine.  Try that
[06:36] <xtknight> my guess is, leave it be.  config file can be specified with bip -f
[06:36] <xtknight> init file already does use /etc actually
[06:36] <xtknight> nothing needs to be changed in 'init.d/bip' as it stands
[06:37] <xtknight> with ENABLED=1 change:  sudo /etc/init.d/bip start
[06:37] <xtknight>  * Starting bip 
[06:37] <xtknight> ps ax | grep bip:  3117 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/bip -f /etc/bip.conf -s /var/lib/bip
[06:37] <ScottK> Then I'd suggest making a new package and attaching the debdiff to the bug after you've tested it.
[06:38] <xtknight> k i'll need some help with that one
[06:38] <ScottK> Have a look at the wiki page I pointed you to above and let me know when you have questions.
[06:38] <xtknight> k
[06:42] <xtknight> ScottK, alright.  i have made a deb file containing the 'default' fix and a note in the changelog documenting it.  now what ?
[06:42] <xtknight> it has only been compiled for i386 so far
[06:42] <ScottK> Install it and see if it works
[06:42] <xtknight> yup
[06:42] <xtknight> does
[06:43] <ScottK> Do you have a config file in ~/.bip?
[06:44] <xtknight> nope ~/.bip does not exist
[06:44] <ScottK> Next step is make a debdiff.
[06:45] <xtknight> ahh any official docs on that?
[06:45] <ScottK> if you look in the top level directory of the source package you'll find bip_someversion.dsc and bip_somversion-ubuntu1.dsc.
[06:46] <xtknight> yea
[06:46] <ScottK> do debdiff bip_someversion.dsc and bip_somversion-ubuntu1.dsc > filename for the patch
[06:46] <ScottK> Then why don't you pastebin that and I'll see if it looks correct.
[06:46] <ScottK> !pastebin
[06:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:47] <xtknight> ScottK, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14902/
[06:51] <ScottK> Looks pretty good.  You also want to add (Closes LP: #105199) to the changelog entry.  Also don't go over 80 chars in a line.
[06:51] <xtknight> k
[06:52] <ScottK> Now the tricky part with this bug is that we also want the security fix in the -4 version in Debian (which is why Hobbsee requested a sync).
[06:52] <ScottK> If this change gets committed to -3, then the sync will fail.
[06:53] <ScottK> So I think the best move (anyone out there watching feel free to correct me on this) would be for you to look at the Debian changes in -4 and add them to your fix (noting that you've done that in the changelog).
[06:53] <xtknight> ScottK, what abuot that duplicate bug that he also created?
[06:54] <ScottK> I already duped that to this bug.
[06:54] <xtknight> k
[06:55] <ScottK> xtknight: You up for getting the Debian fix in there too (It'll be a small change to the debian/rules or postinst I'm sure).
[06:56] <xtknight> lol ya let me make some more coffee also
[06:56] <xtknight> then we'll see
[06:56] <xtknight> i made the new debdiff
[06:56] <xtknight> need to know what to do with this one 
[06:59] <ScottK> pastebin that one too
[07:02] <xtknight> ok
[07:03] <xtknight> ScottK, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14906/
[07:10] <superm1> imbrandon, are you awake?
[07:11] <bddebian> Ahh, the UVFe sync requests are finally coming in!
[07:13] <ScottK> xtknight: Have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14908/.  I slightly edited you.  Looks good.  Now go get the Debian fix...
[07:14] <xtknight> ScottK, looks good to me
[07:14] <xtknight> where do we post this debdiff?  launchpad?
[07:15] <ScottK> Yes.  You can attach it to the bug.
[07:15] <xtknight> any naming conventions for debdiffs?>
[07:15] <ScottK> But it'd be better to add the Debian security fix to it first.
[07:15] <xtknight> ok what is this "Debian" fix? 
[07:16] <ScottK> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415855
[07:16] <ubotu> Debian bug 415855 in bip "bip: [security]  IRC passwords in /etc/bip.conf world readable" [Important,Closed]  
[07:16] <xtknight> ahh
[07:16] <ScottK> I don't think we have time to sync the new debian version and then get your patch applied and so I think it's best you just copy their change into your source and make a new patch.
[07:17] <ScottK> For names, I usually use packagename_version.patch.
[07:17] <xtknight> so what should i do with the debian fix?
[07:17] <ScottK> Make the same change they did to your source.
[07:18] <xtknight> ok so we're applying this to the ubuntu one also
[07:18] <xtknight> so apaprently i need to grab bip_0.5.3-4 ... ?
[07:20] <ScottK> Stand by.
[07:21] <ScottK> xtknight: I think this is the change: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14911/
[07:22] <xtknight> thing is i don't know if we're uploading a patch to 0.5.3-3 or if we're using debian's 0.5.3-4
[07:22] <ScottK> Write it like you are using -3
[07:22] <xtknight> ok so i'm going to modify postinst and add that
[07:22] <ScottK> I got the diff from here (It's the entire debian diff for bip, not just -4) http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bip/bip_0.5.3-4.diff.gz
[07:22] <xtknight> and credit it to myself or someone eles?
[07:23] <ScottK> Mention in the changelog that it was pulled from -4 and the debian bug number it fixed.
[07:23] <xtknight> k
[07:24] <xtknight> and that little patch you pasted (chmod...bip.conf) is added at the /end/ of postinst?
[07:24] <ScottK> Then once you're done we'll get bddebian to upload it.
[07:24] <xtknight> :O
[07:25] <ScottK> xtknight: More context http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14912/ - You figure out what's different
[07:25] <ScottK> LongPointyStick: Are you there?
[07:26] <xtknight> ScottK, gotcha.  where did you get that patch?
[07:26] <xtknight> never mind
[07:26] <ScottK> http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bip.html and click on the diff.gz
[07:27] <xtknight> should i credit it to Arnaud Cornet for fixing it or to myself for adding it to the ubuntu?
[07:27] <xtknight> i am being a bit compulsive on the questions here as i don't want to make any mistake
[07:28] <ScottK> I'd credit you backported the patch from the -4 verison in Debian so it'll be clear to the person who tries to merge your fix and -4 (or whatever) in Feisty +1 what happened.
[07:28] <xtknight> they should both go under this changelog entry? bip (0.5.3-3ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low
[07:28] <xtknight> or make yet another rev?
[07:29] <ScottK> They should both go in the same changelog entry.
[07:33] <xtknight> ScottK, let me know if this sounds good http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14914/
[07:34] <ScottK> xtknight: Looks reasonable to me.  Did you build the binary and test it?
[07:36] <xtknight> woops
[07:36] <xtknight> slight problem heh subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[07:37] <xtknight> just a pathetic little error where i copied the '+' from the diff
[07:38] <xtknight> DEFAULT=1.  /etc/bip.conf is chmod 640.  and it is owned by root:bip.  looks good.
[07:39] <ScottK> OK.
[07:40] <ScottK> Then make a new debdiff and attach that to the bug and let me know when you've done it.
[07:40] <xtknight> one thing though.  if bip.conf was created before with different owners, this postinst script that Arnaud did does not change its permissions
[07:40] <xtknight> so i dont know if an update would do anything
[07:42] <xtknight> only a --purge and reinstall will make the bip.conf correct.  it doesn't fix it unless you --purge.  does the update manager --purge an old package before updating it?  if not, then this patch will not work
[07:42] <ScottK> It'll be correct for new installs, but not upgrades then.
[07:42] <xtknight> it only fixes it on a clean install
[07:42] <xtknight> yea
[07:42] <xtknight> so if people update it wont do anything
[07:42] <xtknight> hmm
[07:43] <xtknight> does that sound like favorable behavior?  
[07:43] <ScottK> xtknight: Are you sure?
[07:43] <xtknight> i'll make sure, sec
[07:44] <xtknight> oh
[07:44] <xtknight> hmm
[07:44] <xtknight> Configuration file `/etc/bip.conf'
[07:44] <xtknight>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[07:44] <xtknight> weird
[07:45] <xtknight>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[07:45] <xtknight> *** bip.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ? 
[07:45] <xtknight> that sounds fine then.  that didnt seem to happen last time.l
[07:45] <xtknight> i wonder if update manager will give people that prompt, though
[07:46] <ScottK> If apt gave it, I'm pretty sure the update manager will.
[07:46] <xtknight> k it's probably fine then
[07:46] <ScottK> I'd so go with it and we'll bring it up when we ask to have it reviewd.
[07:47] <ScottK> so/say
[07:47] <xtknight> here's what i'm worried about though
[07:47] <xtknight> say he has 'bip' from apt-get ubuntu.  alright it is created with root:root
[07:47] <xtknight> now he (or apt) does "sudo dpkg -i bip_..." and it does NOT say the prompt
[07:47] <xtknight> and it does NOT change permissions
[07:48] <xtknight> only if i manually touch the file does it say the prompt.  and chances are the fil will be created by bip iteslf, and it will not prompt
[07:48] <ScottK> OK.  DO this...
[07:48] <ScottK> purge the package and manually make sure all the config files, the pid dir, and the logfile are gone.
[07:48] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install bip
[07:49] <ScottK> then install your new ubuntu1 deb
[07:49] <ScottK> then check permissions.
[07:49] <xtknight> ok
[07:49] <xtknight> sudo rm -rf ~/.bip /var/run/bip /var/log/bip /etc/bip.conf /etc/default/bip
[07:49] <xtknight> sudo dpkg --purge bip
[07:49] <xtknight> sudo dpkg -i bip_0.5.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb....... 
[07:49] <xtknight> permissions are correct
[07:49] <xtknight> -rw-r----- 1 root bip 4654 2007-04-10 13:37 /etc/bip.conf
[07:50] <ScottK> Did you install 0.5.3-3 first?
[07:50] <xtknight> ahh no
[07:50] <xtknight> sec
[07:51] <xtknight> alright.  installed 0.5.3-3.  permissions are wrong, root:root
[07:51] <xtknight> i will now try my deb
[07:51] <xtknight> permissions are still wrong.
[07:52] <xtknight> therefore an update will not fix it
[07:52] <xtknight> he will have to rely on clean install
[07:52] <xtknight> nor will it prompt him on update if a previous 'bip' wrote to /etc/bip.conf (99% situation)
[07:54] <ScottK> OK.  I don't know how to fix that then.
[07:54] <ScottK> Argh.
[07:54] <xtknight> it's in the postinst prolly
[07:54] <ScottK> Oh, certainly.
[07:54] <xtknight> if [ "$1" = "configure" -a "$2" = "" ] 
[07:54] <xtknight> that is failing on a dpkg -i
[07:54] <xtknight> somehow
[07:54] <xtknight>  idont know what that is though
[07:54] <ScottK> That's almost certainly the line that needs to be changed.
[07:55] <xtknight> i'll see what it does
[07:56] <xtknight> that fixes it
[07:57] <xtknight> i dont see any negative consequences of commenting out that 'if' statement anyway.
[07:58] <ScottK> Do it that way and we'll get someone more experienced to review it.  Don't forget to update your changelog since you are no longer exactly using the Debian patch.
[07:58] <xtknight> yea
[07:59] <xtknight> hrm what about the other architectures?
[07:59] <ScottK> All you are uploading are source changes.  The build system will take care of all the binaries.
[07:59] <ScottK> You haven't changed anything that should have an architecture specific impact.
[07:59] <xtknight> ahh
[08:00] <xtknight> here's the final patch, i think.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14920/
[08:01] <xtknight> reconfirmed that it fixed it
[08:02] <ScottK> Looks good to me.
[08:02] <xtknight> wiped everything, apt-get, install mine, and it fixes the permissions
[08:02] <ScottK> Attach the debdiff to the bug.
[08:02] <xtknight> ah the fun part
[08:03] <xtknight> bug 105199
[08:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 105199 in bip "does not create a home folder(~/.bip)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105199
[08:04] <ScottK> After you attach the debdiff, subscribe (not assign) ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug.
[08:05] <xtknight> gotcha
[08:06] <xtknight> done
[08:06] <xtknight> hey thanks for helping me thru this
[08:06] <ScottK> We aren't done yet.
[08:08] <ScottK> First, you get to do it over.  Bug #105215 got done first.
[08:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 105215 in bip "Please sync bip (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105215
[08:08] <ScottK> So now you have to diff against that.
[08:08] <xtknight> so attach to there also?
[08:08] <xtknight> oh i have to run "debdiff" again against a different package?
[08:09] <ScottK> Yeah.  You also have to rebuild the source package against the updated source first.
[08:09] <Adri2000> (don't forget the maintainer field)
[08:09] <xtknight> k so basically i need bip_0.5.3-4, right?
[08:10] <xtknight> from debian
[08:10] <ScottK> Adri2000: Good point.
[08:10] <ScottK> Thanks
[08:10] <ScottK> xtknight: Yes.
[08:10] <ScottK> Or it'll be in the Ubuntu repositories as soon as they synch
[08:11] <ScottK> xtknight: Also, as Adri2000 kindly reminds me, you'll need to change the maintainer in debian/control as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[08:11] <xtknight> hrmm
[08:11] <xtknight> change it to myself?
[08:12] <ScottK> xtknight: The spec tells you.
[08:13] <ScottK> xtknight: Change the current maintainer to XSBC-Original-Maintainer: and then add Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> as the maintainer.
[08:14] <xtknight> k i am changing this on which pkg?
[08:14] <xtknight> the debdiff i already did, also?  
[08:14] <ScottK> Don't worry about the one you already did.
[08:15] <xtknight> k first i need to get the source of the debian -4 which i'm trying to figure out atm
[08:15] <xtknight> let's see... d/l bip_0.5.3.orig.tar.gz  and then apply bip_0.5.3-4.diff.gz 
[08:17] <ScottK> Get the -4 source package and modify that one to work like your -3ubuntu1 + the maintainer changes and it will be -4ubuntu1
[08:17] <xtknight> how do i apply a .diff.gz?
[08:18] <xtknight> to get -4 i have to get -3.orig and then apply the diff, right?
[08:18] <xtknight> as per bip_0.5.3-4.diff.gz 
[08:18] <xtknight>  i mean, as per http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bip/
[08:18] <ScottK> xtknight: I'd just add a debian source repo and get it from there.  deb-src ftp://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main contrib
[08:18] <xtknight> ah ok
[08:19] <ScottK> Don't forget to comment it out when you are done.
[08:20] <xtknight> got it
[08:20] <xtknight> so change the debian status of this one
[08:20] <xtknight> control file
[08:21] <xtknight> first modify it with my changes, right?
[08:21] <ScottK> keescook: I have a question for you about a security fix if you have a moment.  The debian fix for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415855 seems incomplete.  They only fix the permissions on new install.  Existing installs are left world readable.  From a security perspective, the permissions changes should be applied on upgrades to, right?
[08:21] <ubotu> Debian bug 415855 in bip "bip: [security]  IRC passwords in /etc/bip.conf world readable" [Important,Closed]  
[08:21] <ScottK> xtknight: Yes.  
[08:22] <geser> you can also dget the .dsc file and expand the source package with dpkg-source -x .dsc file
[08:22] <keescook> ScottK: normally if a perms fix is part of a package, something in the postinst should fix it up too.
[08:22] <xtknight> so now
[08:22] <xtknight> umm
[08:23] <xtknight> grr
[08:23] <xtknight> one sec *
[08:23] <ScottK> OK.  The debian fix for the bug doesn't touch existing conf files and that seemed incomplete.  I take that for agreement.  Thanks.
[08:23] <ScottK> keescook: ^^
[08:23] <keescook> ScottK: yeah, I haven't looked specifically at the bug, but I'd tend to agree: prior installs need to be protected too.  If getting the update doesn't fix that, then it's not really fixed.  :)
[08:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[08:24] <ScottK> xtknight: Yes?
[08:24] <xtknight> talking to myself
[08:24] <xtknight> almost got this, i think
[08:25] <xtknight> i will post the debdiff for you to verify
[08:25] <xtknight> so i am changing debian pkg's maintainer to ubuntu MOTU...
[08:26] <xtknight> and the xsbc stuff (got that)
[08:26] <ScottK> Yes
[08:26] <xtknight> now since their version is bip (0.5.3-4) unstable; urgency=high
[08:26] <ScottK> This is done so that people don't complain to the Debian maintainer directly about stuff from Ubuntu.
[08:26] <xtknight> what should i title my changelog
[08:27] <ScottK> change the target distro to feisty
[08:27] <xtknight> unstable=feisty?
[08:27] <xtknight> -> rather
[08:27] <ScottK> You should be able to do dch -i from inside the package dir and have it automagically pretty much right.
[08:28] <ScottK> Yes
[08:28] <xtknight> this Debian pkg will be going back into debian?
[08:28] <xtknight> or is this for feisty
[08:28] <ScottK> This is for feisty
[08:28] <xtknight> ahhh
[08:28] <xtknight> so
[08:28] <ScottK> When we are done here you get to file bugs with Debian.
[08:28] <xtknight> what will happen to debian's package?  that is not for me to worry about?
[08:29] <ScottK> Up to us to tell them and give them the patch.  Up to them what they do with it.
[08:29] <xtknight> this sound right? "bip (0.5.3-4) feisty; urgency=high"
[08:29] <ScottK> no
[08:29] <enyc> hrrm Ive seen many ubuntu universe packages that do not have a -ubuntu? on the version number... but maybe they have the maintainer email address changed still...
[08:29] <ScottK> 0.5.3-4ubuntu1
[08:29] <xtknight> k
[08:29] <xtknight> what about the urgency?
[08:29] <xtknight> high i guess because of this security fix..?
[08:29] <ScottK> Doesn't matter for Ubuntu
[08:29] <ScottK> I'd leave it.
[08:30] <xtknight> k
[08:32] <xtknight> ScottK, does this look good (debdiff)? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14931/
[08:33] <ScottK> enyc: According to the spec, the debian-maintainer change is supposed to go in ALL binary packages and source packages touched by Ubuntu, so you will correctly see debian-maintainer in binaries without ubuntu version numbers.
[08:34] <crimsun> Adri2000: no sweat, it got in, which is the important part.
[08:34] <enyc> ScottK: aaah... but if  the package is just put into ubuntu-universe and not "touched" (changed), the maintainer will not be changed?
[08:34] <crimsun> if it's a sync, it will not be changed.
[08:34] <crimsun> sync == no Ubuntu changes
[08:35] <xtknight> i may have to get going pretty soon.  i will be here in probably 30 mins to an hour.  have to run to the store
[08:35] <ScottK> OK
[08:35] <ScottK> Almost done
[08:35] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14932/ has a small wordsmith.  Since you are now fixing and not borrowing someone else's patch, it's probably politer not to point at them by name.
[08:36] <ScottK> Why don't you upload that.
[08:36] <xtknight> true
[08:37] <xtknight> k upload this one to where?
[08:37] <enyc> hrrm
[08:38] <ScottK> Attach it to Bug #105199
[08:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 105199 in bip "does not create a home folder(~/.bip)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105199
[08:38] <enyc> crimsun: interestin.g.. of course you might get some debian maintainer woh then realises the problem relates to something different in ubuntu's environment that doesn't apply to debian.... (even though the debian package was not changed)
[08:38] <xtknight> is that all there is to it?
[08:39] <ScottK> Then we start asking an actual MOTU to look at it, but basically you're done.
[08:39] <xtknight> awesome
[08:40] <enyc> crimsun: e.g. I discovered qpsmtpd fails to work connerctly on ubuntu (not relevant to debian) using debian-synced package (no ubuntu changes)... so debian maintainer might not want to be bothered then tooo... not sure if it actually tends to be a problem though!
[08:40] <xtknight> i'm going to take off now.  thanks again
[08:40] <ScottK> Bug #105199 is ready for UUS review.  crimsun are you availble?
[08:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 105199 in bip "does not create a home folder(~/.bip)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105199
[08:40] <ScottK> xtknight: You'll also want to file bugs against the package in Debian and give them the patches.
[08:41] <xtknight> ok
[08:41] <xtknight> made note of that.
[08:41] <ScottK> And then come back and fix more.  I hope you enjoyed the experience.
[08:42] <xtknight> first time is always rough
[08:42] <xtknight> for each bug we have to fix it in debian also?
[08:43] <ScottK> We don't have to, but the more of our stuff that gets back into Debian, the less manual work there is for us.  It's a win-win
[08:44] <ScottK> Once there is a Ubuntu unique package, automatic synching stops and you have to merge stuff.  The less of that the better.
[08:44] <ScottK> xtknight: Thank you for your contribution.
[08:51] <crimsun> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bip/+bug/105199/comments/6
[08:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 105199 in bip "does not create a home folder(~/.bip)" [Medium,Needs info]  
[08:53] <ScottK> crimsun: Jumped the gun.  Sorry about that.  -4 needs to get built and distributed first.
[08:53] <crimsun> source is already mirrored
[08:54] <Joe_CoT> hey, some packaging questions. I'm packaging from a subversion repository. What do I put as the "downloaded from" in debian/copyright?
[08:54] <crimsun> crimsun@Box:~$ apt-cache madison bip |grep Sources
[08:54] <crimsun>        bip |    0.5.3-4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[08:54] <ScottK> crimsun: That's why I had him redo the patch against -4.
[08:54] <crimsun> ScottK: yes, and it still fails.
[08:55] <ScottK> Ah.  I'll look at it then.
[08:55] <crimsun> Joe_CoT: the SVN URI.
[09:16] <Joe_CoT> and i'm supposed to do something "get-orig-source" in debian/rules if it's svn?
[09:21] <Joe_CoT> i'm sort of confused by that. Am I supposed to add a get-orig-source target in rules that checks out the svn? do i have to add subversion to build-depends then?
[09:28] <ScottK> crimsun: If the patch applies with patch -p1 is that sufficient?
[09:31] <Joe_CoT> "badly formed line in files list file"
[09:32] <Joe_CoT> from dpkg-genchanges when running pbuilder
[09:54] <crimsun> ScottK: as long as it applies, yes
[09:55] <ScottK> OK.  When I tried it, the revised patch for Bug #105199 applied with patch -p1.
[09:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 105199 in bip "does not create a home folder(~/.bip)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105199
[09:55] <ScottK> Pleas have another go at it.
[09:55] <ScottK> Pleas/Please
[10:02] <ajmitch> morning
[10:03] <ScottK> Good morning ajmitch.
[10:03] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:03] <crimsun> 'morning
[10:03] <crimsun> ScottK: clarified, applied and uploaded
[10:04] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.
[10:04] <ScottK> Seen on #ubuntu-meeting just now [16:04]  <Keybuk> is a member of the MOTU Council here?
[10:06] <ScottK> crimsun: gpocentek rogered up to Keybuck's question.
[10:06] <crimsun> ok
[10:11] <ScottK> xtknight: See https://launchpad.net/~xt-knight/+packages - Once launchpad indicates the new version has built on all architectures, mark the bug fix released.
[10:11] <ScottK> xtknight: Congratulations.
[10:14] <crimsun> xtknight: for reference, urgency in Ubuntu uploads is largely moot
[10:15] <superm1> crimsun, or any other MOTU's, would you have a moment to look over a debdiff, its attached to bug 104965
[10:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 104965 in mythtv "Need HDHomeRun fixes" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104965
[10:16] <superm1> i've got binaries built for it too if anyone would be interested in trying them rather than having to build themselves
[10:16] <xtknight> ScottK, cool. thanks.
[10:16] <xtknight> crimsun, gotcha
[10:17] <ScottK> xtknight: He also modified your changelog entries.  Have a look at that for future reference/education.
[10:17] <crimsun> superm1: not for several hours, sorry. In lecture until 7 PM.
[10:17] <superm1> ah okay
[10:17] <xtknight> aigh
[10:17] <xtknight> aight
[10:17] <superm1> crimsun, are there any other freezes prior to release that i need to make sure this makes it in before?
[10:17] <ScottK> xtknight: Now that you've done it once, go fix some more bugs.
[10:17] <xtknight> yeah i'm dying to
[10:17] <xtknight> ;- )
[10:18] <xtknight> maybe tomorrow.  :P
[10:18] <xtknight> got a couple of my own i'm going to try and help fix
[10:18] <ScottK> xtknight: You'll want to learn about pbuilder for testing your builds.
[10:19] <ScottK> xtknight: Also remember that 12 April is the Universe freeze for Feisty, so don't dawdle.
[10:19] <xtknight> ah
[10:20] <Joe_CoT> ScottK: speaking of universe freeze, I'm trying to get World of Padman packaged. can I get some help on a few things? :)
[10:21] <ScottK> Packaged as in a NEW package?
[10:21] <Joe_CoT> yeah. has that one come and gone?
[10:21] <ScottK> April 12 freeze is for bug fixing.  Feature Freeze (cut off for new packages) was long ago.
[10:21] <Joe_CoT> ah. alrighty then
[10:22] <superm1> ScottK, would you be able to look over that debdiff then and possibly sponsor an upload?
[10:22] <ScottK> But the repos should be open soon for Feisty +1, so don't stop working.
[10:22] <ScottK> superm1: I'll look, but I'm not a MOTU.
[10:22] <superm1> ScottK, oh :)
[10:23] <Joe_CoT> ScottK: alright. do you know anything about get-orig-source rules?
[10:23] <ScottK> What's the question?
[10:24] <Joe_CoT> I'm trying to figure out how to set one up. According to the packaging guide, I need to provide a "get-orig-source" rule in debian/rules if I have to make the orig tar myself. For the engine package, I had to get it from a subversion tag. For the data package, I had to get it from their installer.
[10:25] <geser> ScottK: bddebian knows more than he is ready to concede
[10:25] <ScottK> geser: I know, but I'm playing along.
[10:26] <ScottK> Joe_CoT: No. I haven't had to do that before.  Sorry.  I'd look for another package with an svn type version name and see what they did.
[10:26] <Joe_CoT> ok
[10:26] <ScottK> bddebian: Fortunately we don't package that.
[10:27] <ScottK> Joe_CoT: Remember that plaigarism is the sincerest form of flattery.
[10:27] <Joe_CoT> yeah, i ripped the shell script from the tremulous package to set the environmental vars. the packages work just fine. I'm just trying to bring them up to standards
[10:28] <bddebian> ScottK: :-)
[10:29] <Joe_CoT> a few other things. i'm getting this from Lintian: "E: Amusement does not exist, exiting"
[10:29] <bddebian> lintian -i will usually give you better info
[10:30] <Joe_CoT> a ha. I should "export from subversion rather than checkout". good to know
[10:32] <superm1> bddebian, you have a few moments to prod for a sponsor on a upload?
[10:32] <bddebian> Sure, why not
[10:32] <superm1> bug 104965
[10:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 104965 in mythtv "Need HDHomeRun fixes" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104965
[10:34] <bddebian> Oh gads, mythtv
[10:34] <superm1> hehe
[10:34] <bddebian> Is slomo aware?
[10:34] <superm1> aware of what?
[10:34] <superm1> of these patches?
[10:35] <bddebian> Yeah
[10:35] <superm1> not afaik.  keescook was planning on looking them over but wasnt sure he would be able to before freeze
[10:36] <superm1> keescook was aware of all of the changes though
[10:41] <superm1> bddebian, i've got binaries built too if you wanted to try them rather than having to build yourself
[10:42] <bddebian> Nah I'll build it, thx
[10:42] <superm1> k
[10:43] <superm1> bddebian, out of curiosity, why did you ask if slomo was aware of these patches?
[10:43] <bddebian> I used to deal with him on the multimedia packages
[10:43] <superm1> ah
[10:44] <bddebian> Wasn't sure if he is still "the man" on those? :-)
[10:44] <superm1> mythtv has kinda been singled out from the rest of the multimedia packages
[10:44] <bddebian> Aye
[10:44] <superm1> there is a ubuntu-mythtv group now on lp
[10:44] <bddebian> Scary
[10:44] <superm1> and we have an irc channel and such :)
[10:44] <bddebian> Damn I can't get used to the new LP look
[10:51] <superm1> bddebian, i'll be back on in about 30 min once i get to my next class
[10:51] <superm1> i'll touch bases with you then
[10:51] <Joe_CoT> bah. i have yet to find one that actually does it correctly. the version clearly says it's a cvs version, yet there's no get-orig-source rule, and the copyright just says they got it from the website
[10:52] <bddebian> superm1: np
[10:59] <Joe_CoT> okay. now i'm extremely confused. I'm looking at other cvs packages like ScottK suggested, and I have yet to find one that actually includes a get-orig-source rule at the Packaging guide suggests. For "capiutils", the changelog shows it was updated to match upstream in 2007, yet the copyright hasn't changed since 2002, and it just says "The sources are from the CVS version"
[11:01] <ScottK> Joe_CoT: I don't know the rules on that, but it's been my experience that just because we get cr@p from Debian, doesn't mean it's OK here.
[11:01] <ScottK> Maybe somebody will come along that knows....
[11:01] <Joe_CoT> lol, well i'd definately say that package is in the "cr@p" category.
[11:13] <Joe_CoT> "dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1"
[11:16] <gnomefreak> Joe_CoT: i would start on line one of that file :)
[11:17] <Joe_CoT> doesn't exist. googling, it looks like it's talking about the file "debian/file", which is created at build time.
[11:18] <gnomefreak> that would be the one i guess. see whats on line one and see if it belongs to rules file or what not. if you look in build-dir maybe it will be there?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> atleast most of the packages i deal with make a build-dir dir in source dir
[11:42] <bddebian> Hmm, to upload or not to upload...
[11:42] <geser> flip a coin
[11:43] <bddebian> Well it's freakin' mythtv :-)
[11:43] <ScottK> Oh just upload it.  No one really uses that anyway ;')
[11:43] <bddebian> haha
[11:45] <welshbyte> to upload or not to upload, that is the question. whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of bugs
[11:46] <welshbyte> (apologies to mr shakespeare)
[11:46] <ScottK> bddebian: You're screwed either way.  Upload and you didn't fix all the bugs.  Don't upload and you didn't fix all the bugs.  May as well go for it.
[11:47] <bddebian> Already sent ;-P
[11:47] <bddebian> welshbyte: :-)
[11:50] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:56] <xtknight> can someone help me take a look at Bug 105263 ?  
[11:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 105263 in kvm "[feisty]  kvm depends of kvm-api-9 but it not exists that package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105263
[11:57] <xtknight> so he says it depends on kvm-api-9.  this package is not available anywhere yet that i can tell.  in the changelog of kvm, it says "* Make package depend on kvm-api-X, so the kernel can provide correct API".  the kernel (that DOES have kvm enabled by default) should be Providing kvm-api-9
[12:01] <ScottK> xtknight: I just commented on the bug
[12:02] <xtknight> trying apt-get update/etc
[12:03] <xtknight> ScottK, it still won't work with the latest updates
[12:03] <xtknight>  kvm: Depends: kvm-api-9 but it is not installable
[12:04] <welshbyte> the last change to that package was to specifically add that dependency.. i'm guessing it must be there for a reason (maybe the kernel provides is on its way?)
[12:04] <xtknight> i am running the stock ubuntu kernel
[12:04] <xtknight> yea
[12:04] <xtknight> that's what i thought