[12:27] <TheVault> Now the video don't go black when I move the window
[12:27] <TheVault> Thanks for the help
[12:28] <Lukian> thesilentw, restart X (you may need to reboot)
[12:28] <TheVault> thesilentw: Yeah. Thats what its called but I don't know where to download that
[12:28] <Lukian> TheVault, ty :) when I get around to pretty effects again I'll note X11 works :)
[12:29] <TheVault> Lukian: Yeah. See when I had it on Default setting, when I would move the window, the playback would go back until I barely moved the window. Now since you told me to try OpenGL or the X11(don't use OpenGL) the X11 worked like a charm
[12:29] <protocol1> is there a codecs wizard somehere?
[12:29] <protocol1> somewhere*
[12:29] <cables> !codecs | protocol1
[12:29] <ubotu> protocol1: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:31] <gharz> guys, i'm currenty using feisty... is it possible that i downgrade to 6.10 edgy?
[12:31] <gharz> since feisty is in beta stage, i wanna go back to 6.10 stable release.
[12:31] <TheVault> Where can I download seeklets?
[12:33] <jussi01> gharz, youve only got 2 weeks till feisty is released....
[12:33] <gnomefreak> gharz: nope cant downgrade safely
[12:33] <gharz> jussi01 & gnomefreak, thanks for the info.
[12:33] <TheVault> Oh here is another question. Will you have to unistall feisty if your using the beta to upgrade to the final release?
[12:33] <Lukian> no
[12:33] <gnomefreak> TheVault: no
[12:34] <gharz> jussi01, i'm really not quite happy with feisty when it comes to managing wireless network...
[12:34] <gnomefreak> just do your upgrades but you are pretty close to using final as it is
[12:34] <gnomefreak> very very few updates will happen from now till the 19th
[12:34] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Oh ok. Cause iv downloaded a crap load of updates since yesterday when I installed
[12:34] <jussi01> gharz, there was a new update tonight, have you tried it?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> TheVault: they are all being pushed by hand so they are very important. but you shouldnt see that many tomorrow might be another big day but your close
[12:36] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Alrighty. Cause when I installed yesterday, I had about 282 updates to download. Then today, I had about 83, I was like NO WAY
[12:36] <gnomefreak> TheVault: those are alla  few weeks ago yeasterday was a fairly good size push in 3 intervals
[12:37] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Oh I see.
[12:38] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Well those updates I downloaded today fixed a minor problem I was having. Basicly, when I would boot into Ubuntu(i'm dual booting at the moment) the splash screen, the part where it shows the orange bars that shows the load completion, well it would get about half way and just sit there for about a minute, and then finish loading. The updates I downloaded today fixed that and now it loads fast
[12:39] <TheVault> gnomefreak: I was talking to someone else today who had the same kinda problem
[12:39] <os2mac> Just did the updates posted for network manager. It now shows me as offline in the tray but obviously I am not. it also doesn't show the wireless settings just the wired.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> dont know exactly what the uploads will be fixing.
[12:40] <TheVault> os2mac: Yeah I had a kinda similar problem.  It showed my wifi light on but when I clicked the network manager, it showed no wifi signals around. I had to manually install the driver. That was weird but I got the problem fixed
[12:41] <Lukian> TheVault are you using DHCP?
[12:41] <os2mac> well I am online.. but it's not showing a connection status nore it showing the wireless settings.
[12:41] <TheVault> Lukian: Ummm not sure but I think I might be
[12:41] <os2mac> how did you manually install the driver? apt-get?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> TheVault: sorry im working on mozilla stuff for feisty+1 atm i havent been ablet o keep up with other things
[12:42] <thesilentw> lukian, didnt work :(
[12:42] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Thats ok
[12:42] <Lukian> TheVault oh nice, they fixed the huge delay on acquiring a response / ip then? :)
[12:42] <TheVault> Lukian: Oh yeah. My wireless connects faster now
[12:42] <thesilentw> lukian, searched everywhere for the option but still,
[12:42] <TheVault> Lukian: As in Edgy, it would take about a minute or two just to connect
[12:42] <thesilentw> isnt there
[12:43] <os2mac> TheVault : how did you manually install the driver?
[12:44] <TheVault> os2mac: I had to install a respitory and then do a command in the terminal. I have a Broadcom 4311 chipset so it was straight forward
[12:44] <os2mac> well mine is working correctly just not showing the correct indications.
[12:44] <TheVault> os2mac: not sure. Mines showing up fine
[12:45] <os2mac> hmmm... lemme try a reboot again.
[12:45] <TheVault> os2mac: Yeah, that may help
[12:47] <TheVault> Lukian: For some reason, my wireless is a bit slow
[12:48] <TheVault> Lukian: Even in Edgy, it was always slow. As in Windows Xp, I can download & browse fast with no problem, only in Ubuntu is it slow.
[12:48] <atselby> Yeah.
[12:48] <TheVault> Just wondering if that is a common problem for people?
[12:48] <atselby> 14 minutes left on update.
[12:49] <christyxx1> new to Ubuntu - what anti-virus app should i use? and do I need a firewall?
[12:50] <TheVault> christyxx1: You don't need anti virus
[12:50] <TheVault> Linux don't get viruses(nor have I ever heard of it)
[12:50] <christyxx1> don't need anti-virus????
[12:50] <TheVault> Yeah, Ubuntu is virus FREE!
[12:50] <christyxx1> ur kidding!
[12:50] <TheVault> Nope
[12:50] <TheVault> This is not windows
[12:50] <christyxx1> lol
[12:51] <christyxx1> seriously
[12:51] <TheVault> Yeah. I bet your not use to hearing that
[12:51] <TheVault> As for a firewall, I'm unsure on that one
[12:51] <christyxx1> f-prot and kapersky sell virus protection for linux
[12:51] <TheVault> hmmm now ya got me there
[12:51] <rernst> Viruse scanners do exist for linux, however, linux viruses are very rare
[12:52] <christyxx1> wow! even more cool than i thought
[12:52] <TheVault> Yeah.
[12:52] <christyxx1> i love this
[12:52] <TheVault> You should
[12:52] <rernst> mostly, they exploit kernel bugs. A big draw for linux virus-scanners, however, is for the windows machines that they serve
[12:52] <christyxx1> great!
[12:52] <rernst> Linux email servers, for example, will pass on virus-infected attachments to windows machines unless they have some way of scanning and detecting them.
[12:52] <christyxx1> are there password managers like roboform for linux?
[12:53] <TheVault> christyxxl: Welcome to a whole new world of computing.
[12:53] <TheVault> christyxxl: You got the Firefox Password Manger
[12:53] <christyxx1> yes
[12:53] <TheVault> christyxxl: 1 pass to login to all your logins
[12:53] <os2mac> Hrmmmmm.
[12:53] <TheVault> No more gay Internet Explorer
[12:54] <rernst> if you use kubuntu, you've got kwallet... but AFAIK it's not up to the same standard. But any KDE application can integrate with it
[12:54] <christyxx1> im  using xubuntu
[12:54] <TheVault> os2mac: Did the reboot help?
[12:54] <os2mac> networkmanager still not showing correct status.
[12:55] <rernst> ah... I'm afraid I don't know that very well.
[12:55] <spenc3> got question on using beryl on feisty
[12:55] <os2mac> I am able to connect with no problems ( I am on that machine now) but can't get a correct status or signal strength
[12:55] <TheVault> os2mac: Thats odd. I donno what the problem could be. I'm a little above the newbish side but I don't know of anything that could be causing your wrong indication
[12:55] <christyxx1> thx folks!
[12:55] <christyxx1> bye
[12:55] <TheVault> os2mac: Oh that. yeah, I have that.
[12:55] <spenc3> got question on using beryl on feisty
[12:55] <os2mac> TheVault: what do you mean?
[12:56] <TheVault> os2mac: It shows I have a lower connection that what I originally have
[12:56] <TheVault> saying i am at 50% signal but when I'm in windows, its 95% signal strength
[12:56] <TheVault> os2mac: Is it just showing a bar with nothing in it?
[12:57] <os2mac> mine shows disconnected and doesn't show which network I am connected to
[12:57] <spenc3> got question on using beryl on feisty
[12:57] <TheVault> os2mac: Hmm, i'm not really sure
[12:57] <TheVault> spenc3: I'll try to help ya out
[12:57] <os2mac> no it shows what appears to be a lightswitch with a red x in the corner... same thing it shows when disconnected.
[12:58] <TheVault> os2mac: I'm not sure
[12:58] <os2mac> anyone......
[12:58] <TheVault> os2mac: Sorry :(
[12:58] <spenc3> TheVault: Thanks... I am having issue with displaying the window frames when i use beryl.
[12:59] <TheVault> spenc3: Oh. well mine worked just fine
[12:59] <spenc3> TheVault: using beryl on 8800GTX with 2.6.20.14-generic kernel. the beryl version is the latest on universe
[12:59] <TheVault> spenc3: Try #beryl channel
[12:59] <TheVault> They helped me and I'm using Feisty
[12:59] <spenc3> TheValut: thanks
[01:00] <TheVault> yuppers
[01:00] <TheVault> Gotta run people. Thanks everyone for all the help you gave me :D
[01:00] <TheVault> Laters
[01:05] <atselby> Feisty update is installing now and I'm getting a window for configuring mdadm.
[01:05] <atselby> Could someone tell me what that is?
[01:05] <nilsjoa> atselby: do you use RAID?
[01:05] <phaidros> or LVM ?
[01:06] <atselby> LVM?
[01:06] <atselby> Raid?
[01:06] <atselby> If I do i didnt install them.
[01:06] <phaidros> mdadm = multiple device admin
[01:06] <atselby> Okay.
[01:06] <phaidros> LVM = logical volume manager
[01:06] <nilsjoa> when you use 2 each other mirroring harddiscs, you need RAID
[01:06] <phaidros> its for using miltpiple disks or partitions as one logical device ..
[01:06] <atselby> Ah.
[01:07] <atselby> I only have one.
[01:07] <atselby> I have multiple partitions though.
[01:07] <phaidros> so, ignore mdadm then, as long as you don't want to mirror two partitions as one drive ..
[01:07] <nilsjoa> i think if its yiur computer and you don't know what raid is, you can cancel the mdadm configuration
[01:07] <maccam94> anyone else having issues with nvidia-glx-1.0.9631?
[01:07] <atselby> Okay.
[01:07] <atselby> Thanks.
[01:07] <nilsjoa> welcome
[01:09] <MattJ> I have a dilemma
[01:09] <MattJ> I don't want to upgrade to feisty until the final release
[01:10] <MattJ> But I have < 100MB free disk space on my Linux partition, and I want to resize it when I install :)
[01:10] <nilsjoa> i don't see the dilemma
[01:10] <atselby> This is odd..
[01:10] <jepeltw> MattJ, you know you can resize your linux partition without installing, right?
[01:10] <atselby> It now has a dialoug about /etc/login.defs
[01:10] <MattJ> I'd rather not install the beta, and get the hundred's of updates
[01:11] <MattJ> jepeltw: Is it not slightly risky?
[01:11] <digitize> MattJ: not really
[01:11] <atselby> "Replace the customized configuration file '/etc/login.defs'?
[01:11] <digitize> it's safe with gparted
[01:11] <nilsjoa> can't you free some space?
[01:11] <MattJ> Tried that :)
[01:11] <atselby> Should I just keep it?
[01:11] <jepeltw> MattJ, slightly. I've done it a dozen times and been burned two or three
[01:11] <MattJ> When I set up the partitions I didn't allocate enough... I never thought I would be switching fully to LInux
[01:12] <digitize> has anyone experienced a network manager bug after this last patch of updates?
[01:12] <jepeltw> MattJ, growing is safer than shrinking
[01:12] <jepeltw> MattJ, I've only ever had errors after shrinking
[01:12] <MattJ> Hmm, ok, I guess I'll be brave
[01:13] <jepeltw> MattJ, if you have any data that you really value, go back it up
[01:13] <MattJ> I'm a little lazy :)
[01:13] <MattJ> Most is backed up
[01:13] <digitize> yeah, always run gparted under the assumption that it'll work - but there is a chance for data loss
[01:13] <digitize> though more often than not it works without a hitch
[01:14] <MattJ> I somehow consider a delete of the old partitions, and reallocating from scratch safer
[01:14] <jepeltw> MattJ, do you have extra space just sitting there waiting for your Linux partition to be expanded?
[01:14] <MattJ> No, it's some NTFS partitions I can delete
[01:15] <MattJ> I moved everything off them, so I know I can delete them
[01:16] <jepeltw> does gparted support online resizing?
[01:16] <digitize> jepeltw: i don't think so
[01:16] <jepeltw> :P GUI tools
[01:17] <MattJ> lol
[01:18] <jepeltw> MattJ, the no-hassle way, IMO, is to use cfdisk to delete the NTFS partitions, then enlarge your Linux partition, then run resize2fs and let it do its work
[01:18] <MattJ> "Root privileges are required for running gparted" "Since gparted can be a weapon of mass destruction, only root may run it"
[01:18] <jepeltw> MattJ, doesn't even require a reboot
[01:18] <MattJ> Hmm
[01:21] <MattJ> How do I enlarge the Linux partition?
[01:21] <MattJ> It looks from the man page like I must delete and re-allocate
[01:21] <jepeltw> MattJ, basically, you delete it and create a larger one in the same place
[01:21] <jepeltw> MattJ, remember that in cfdisk and fdisk, you're not actually changing the disk, but you're changing the settings at the beginning of the disk that say where partitions start and end
[01:22] <os2mac> OK just did update in Fiesty and now Knetworkmanager connects me to my wireless network but shows disconnected
[01:22] <os2mac> when I attempt to run it manually from the command prompt I get the following error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14976/
[01:22] <MattJ> True, but still horribly risky (me being someone for whom everything goes wrong that can)
[01:23] <jepeltw> MattJ, once you use the same values, it's fine
[01:23] <jepeltw> MattJ, it's kinda like brain surgery or working on high-voltage power lines: you get used to the action and the safeguards you must take over time :)
[01:25] <MattJ> jepeltw: :)
[01:25] <jepeltw> MattJ, this from a person who accidentally corrupted his partition table trying to install a different Linux distro once
[01:25] <jepeltw> MattJ, it helps that my laptop is my testbed and not much important data lives there
[01:25] <MattJ> I know someone who used Arch Linux
[01:25] <MattJ> Somehow managed to overlap two partitions
[01:26] <jepeltw> fdisk might let you do that
[01:26] <jepeltw> cfdisk wont'
[01:27] <MattJ> I think I'll wait for the RC on the 12th and install then :)
[01:32] <atselby> Is there any reason for me to "Configuring libssl0.9.8"?
[01:33] <atselby> I'm unsure.
[01:33] <riddlebox> is there anything I need to run some javascript? My companies webmail which is horde wont allow me to reply to anything
[01:33] <atselby> hordes been having problems recently.
[01:33] <atselby> I know that on my server it doesnt let replies anymore either.
[01:33] <riddlebox> really hrmm
[01:33] <atselby> I switched to roundcube
[01:34] <os2mac> removed and reinstalled knetworkmanager still not working.
[01:34] <riddlebox> squirrel mail would be nice
[01:34] <atselby> Its okay.
[01:34] <atselby> Has some problems too like horde does
[01:36] <spenc3> 2 question. one regarding VI and the other one regarding my keyboard.
[01:37] <spenc3> anyone know why syntax on does not work in vi for feisty???
[01:38] <phixnay> hey, what up? how can I find for sure what my cdrom is called (fstab didn't update correctly)
[01:38] <spenc3> have u try /dev/cdrom?
[01:38] <spenc3> phixnay: have u try /dev/cdrom?
[01:39] <phixnay> spenc3: not yet
[01:39] <phixnay> I thought that was /media/cdrom
[01:40] <spenc3> phixnay: u looking for the cdrom to mount or u looking for where it mounted?
[01:40] <phixnay> I'm looking for its device name (/dev/somehting)
[01:41] <spenc3> phixnay: try /dev/cdrom
[01:41] <someothernick> mine is /dev/hda
[01:41] <spenc3> phixnay: if not, then u have to know how u plug ur drive to ur mobo
[01:42] <spenc3> phixnay: if it is IDE1 primary, it is hda
[01:42] <spenc3> phixnay: if it is IDE1 salve, it is hdb
[01:42] <phixnay> spenc3: someothernick, it used to be hdc, but feisty uses SCIS or whatever for everything now it seems
[01:42] <phixnay> so I don't know what it is
[01:42] <someothernick> mine is ide2 master
[01:43] <someothernick> fdisk -l
[01:43] <phixnay> by the way, /dev/cdrom doesn't exist for me
[01:43] <os2mac> anyone have ANY help on on why knetworkmanager isn't displaying correctly after the latest updates?
[01:43] <someothernick> something will be missing i think
[01:44] <phixnay> someothernick: do I have to be sudo?
[01:44] <someothernick> yes
[01:44] <someothernick> it will show hdd but you can rule out what its not
[01:45] <phaidros> pulseaudio fails to load all modules, even if they are in the right place O.o ??
[01:45] <os2mac> ok how do I log a bug?
[01:45] <phaidros> os2mac: you can file a bug at launchpad.net
[01:45] <phaidros> #join pulseaudio
[01:46] <spenc3> phixnay: i don't think sudo will have more showing on the screen for u.
[01:46] <steven_> Hi
[01:46] <spenc3> phixnay: try and see if there is a sdc
[01:46] <phixnay> spenc3, someothernick, ok sudo fdisk -l works
[01:46] <phixnay> pastbinning
[01:47] <steven_> how easy will it be to upgrade from Feisty Beta to the main version, when it comes out?
[01:47] <phixnay> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14977/
[01:48] <spenc3> steven_: u need to format your whole computer and then wipe ALL partition clean to upgrade to main version.
[01:48] <spenc3> steven_: just joking :P
[01:48] <steven_> hehe! im actually doing that now (but for a different reason)
[01:48] <spenc3> steven_: all u need to do is run ur sudo apt-get update and sudo dist-upgrade, that's all
[01:49] <phixnay> steven_: if you're only upgrading to feisty for the hell of it like I did, you might want to reconsider
[01:49] <phixnay> I wish I hadn't
[01:49] <steven_> why is that?
[01:49] <phixnay> my cd drive isn't working
[01:49] <phixnay> and the release date is only in a few days
[01:49] <steven_> damn!
[01:49] <steven_> do you know why its not working?
[01:49] <steven_> or it is a bug?
[01:50] <phixnay> I'm not sure, I think it didn't update my fstab right
[01:50] <phixnay> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14977/
[01:50] <steven_> ooh right
[01:50] <phixnay> I don't see any cd rom there
[01:50] <someothernick> probably hda ?
[01:50] <falstius> I installed Feisty and now when I try to mount my reiserfs home partition there are hardware errors and then the machine freezes.  While there isn't much critical on my home drive, I'd still like to get it back.  Any suggestions?
[01:51] <steven_> phixnay, when i do the same, i dont get a cd drive - but ive got one (that works)
[01:51] <phixnay> steven_: oh, maybe that's not the problem then
[01:52] <phixnay> steven_: I wish I knew how to fix it though
[01:52] <gaminggeek> phixnay, you shouldnt need it in your fstab
[01:52] <steven_> phixnay, yeah, stuff like that can be a pain!
[01:52] <gaminggeek> phixnay, have you done all the updates?
[01:52] <phixnay> gaminggeek: how should I mount it? It doesn't just work like it used to
[01:53] <phixnay> gaminggeek: yes, but my fstab was manually edited, so that might have screwed it up
[01:53] <steven_> phixnay, have you got a cd in the drive that works?
[01:53] <gaminggeek> gnome should auto mount
[01:53] <phixnay> steven: yeah. windows reads it, and it spins when the computer boots up
[01:53] <steven_> ahh ok :)
[01:53] <phixnay> it doesn't spin when linux is booted though
[01:54] <spenc3> i install feisty because that is the only one supports my video card out of the box :(
[01:54] <phixnay> spenc3: yeah, good idea
[01:55] <mon^rch> my internet connection keeps getting dropped... only in ubuntu (feisty) is this happening to anyone else?
[01:55] <phixnay> spenc3: I updated when feisty was in the last stages of alpha
[01:55] <phixnay> thats probably why it doesn't work'
[01:55] <steven_> ok, ive gotta go
[01:55] <phixnay> updating now probably won't cause a problem like that
[01:55] <phixnay> ok see ya
[01:55] <steven_> how do i quit? sorry, im quite new to irc!
[01:55] <spenc3> phixnay: none of the herd worked for my box. beta is the first one that works.
[01:56] <phixnay> steven, what program are you using
[01:56] <steven_> xchat
[01:56] <phixnay> try doing /quit
[01:56] <steven_> ok, thanks :)
[01:56] <gaminggeek> I updated to feisty because I broke my edgy
[01:56] <phixnay> np
[01:58] <mon^rch> my internet connection keeps getting dropped... only in ubuntu (feisty) is this happening to anyone else?
[02:00] <RxDx> why Pidgin wont be in feisty?
[02:00] <mon^rch> my internet connection keeps getting dropped... only in ubuntu (feisty) is this happening to anyone else?
[02:01] <clever> i have ubuntu 6.06
[02:01] <clever> would i have to upgrade several times to get it to the latest release?
[02:01] <jepeltw> clever, if you call two several, then yes
[02:01] <jepeltw> clever, 6.06 to 6.10 and then 6.10 to 7.04
[02:02] <clever> didnt know how many new came out between 6.06 and latest:P
[02:02] <mon^rch> I am VERY frustrated!!! how can I tell WHY my internet suddenly just stops woking?
[02:02] <clever> hw much disk space should i have fr 6.06->6.10?
[02:02] <clever> free*
[02:02] <clever> i knw 300mb wont do
[02:02] <jepeltw> clever, how much do you have free?
[02:02] <clever> 300 free right now
[02:03] <jepeltw> 6.10-7.04 took me nearly 700 MB of archives alone
[02:03] <clever> lol
[02:03] <MattJ> Are there no daily builds of Feisty?
[02:03] <mon^rch> somebody help me out... please
[02:03] <MattJ> ie. the ISOs
[02:03] <gnomefreak> MattJ: there were
[02:03] <Arko> mon^rch: are you using wireless?
[02:03] <jepeltw> MattJ, not that I know of, you have to install and update
[02:04] <gnomefreak> !daily | MattJ
[02:04] <ubotu> MattJ: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[02:04] <mon^rch> Arko: no
[02:04] <gnomefreak> but MattJ i would wait a day or 2
[02:04] <clever> jepeltw: i have 4gig under /var/
[02:04] <clever> i can probly move a good deal out to anther system
[02:04] <gnomefreak> they will be spinning new ISO's tonight or tomorrow
[02:04] <badbrainz> what is the username and password for the 7.04 livecd?
[02:04] <jepeltw> clever, then you might just be able to do so
[02:04] <clever> 3.7gig just under /var/www/
[02:05] <jepeltw> clever, do you have nearly 1 GB under /var/cache/apt/archives?
[02:05] <jepeltw> badbrainz, username ubuntu, no password
[02:05] <badbrainz> i tried that, it didnt work
[02:05] <clever> jepeltw: 104mb in there
[02:05] <MattJ> gnomefreak: Please try and stop me
[02:05] <clever> i do apt-get clean alot
[02:06] <gnomefreak> MattJ: do as you want but you were warned :)
[02:06] <MattJ> I can't seem to bear the waiting :)
[02:06] <jepeltw> clever, if you have room for several hundred MB in /v/c/a/archives, then you should be good. I don't think you neeed more than 100 MB on /
[02:06] <mon^rch> okay then... is there some log that reports wtf is happening to my network. It just stops for no reason
[02:06] <clever> /var and /usr and /home and / are all 1 partition
[02:06] <jepeltw> ah
[02:07] <clever> and last time i upgraded it to 6.06
[02:07] <clever> i had to remove openoffice to get the needed free space
[02:07] <clever> and even then i hit 0 bytes free several times and had t ctrl+z the upgrade
[02:07] <falstius> clever: maybe it is time for a hard drive upgrade?
[02:07] <MattJ> gnomefreak: I'll slap myself for the thought, and get to bed, thanks :)
[02:07] <clever> falstius: laptop
[02:07] <badbrainz> jepeltw username ubuntu no password doesn't work
[02:07] <clever> and ever since i upgraded it irssi core dumps on .exit
[02:08] <MattJ> I think I'll install the RC
[02:08] <clever> /exit*
[02:08] <falstius> clever: they sell harddrives for those too ...
[02:08] <clever> yeah but there harder t find
[02:08] <mon^rch> why would my internet just stop for no reason?
[02:08] <Arko> laptop upgrade?
[02:08] <clever> falstius: also look at http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082506_005.jpg
[02:08] <mon^rch> it's a desktop
[02:09] <clever> and http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_010.jpg
[02:09] <clever> all of them hardrives
[02:09] <mon^rch> hardwired and my windows network stays alive no prob... wtf?
[02:10] <falstius> clever, that's just sick :)
[02:10] <clever> lol
[02:10] <clever> i also have over 300gig total between 4 computers
[02:10] <clever> 20gig free between all of them
[02:10] <phixnay> hey, my cd drive doesn't work, I can't find out what /dev/ it is, feisty screwed it and fstab up!
[02:11] <MattJ> mon^rch: How do you connect? Router? DSL? External modem?
[02:12] <gnomefreak> i have heard of some issues with network manager maybe wait for an update or try to reset your connection
[02:12] <gnomefreak> but im not here
[02:13] <atselby> ...
[02:13] <atselby> I'm getting quite a few dependancy problem error messages.
[02:13] <atselby> What's up with that?
[02:13] <PyroMessiah> Hi, does anyone know where I can find a list of feisty supported sound cards?
[02:13] <atselby> Example : dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:13] <mon^rch> MattJ: I connect high speed cable modem-->hub-->computer... like I said wy windows networking stays alive but my ubuntu network just suddenly stops for no reason after an un-specified ammount of time. started about two days ago. I Do'n want to use my window$ anymore... please help me!
[02:13] <gnomefreak> atselby: unofficial package installed?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> atselby: try sudo apt-get -f install
[02:14] <atselby> Openoffice?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> see if it fixes it
[02:14] <atselby> I was doing this through the update to feisty beta.
[02:14] <atselby> Huhm.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> atselby: is this a cold upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[02:14] <atselby> Got the same thing for some python things.
[02:14] <atselby> Cold?
[02:14] <atselby> gnomefreak: it is Edgy to Feisty beta via update-manager -d
[02:15] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:15] <atselby> Finished.
[02:15] <PyroMessiah> Anyone?
[02:15] <atselby> Leme try a reboot.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> atselby: i wouldnt
[02:15] <atselby> ..WOuldn't what?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> atselby: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:15] <atselby> Before reboot?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> atselby: reboot
[02:15] <atselby> okay
[02:15] <mon^rch> nobody has any ideas?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:15] <gnomefreak> before reboot
[02:16] <atselby> Alright.
[02:16] <gnomefreak> do _not_ reboot yet
[02:16] <atselby> I wont
[02:16] <PyroMessiah> I guess nobody has any ideas about mine too
[02:16] <atselby> What was it pyromessiah?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> atselby: pastebin all the output see !pastebin if you not sure
[02:16] <atselby> gnomefreak: for dpkg reconfigure?
[02:16] <atselby> !pastbin
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <atselby> !pastebin
[02:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> atselby: yes i want all the output
[02:16] <atselby> right?
[02:16] <atselby> k
[02:16] <PyroMessiah> I need a list of ubuntu supported sound cards because I can't record from line-in
[02:16] <atselby> ALright
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !hardware | PyroMessiah
[02:17] <ubotu> PyroMessiah: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:17] <jepeltw> how can I find the UUID of one of my partitions? root=/dev/sda5 doesn't work since I upgraded the kernel
[02:17] <PyroMessiah> Perfect, thank you ubotu
[02:17] <clever> !upgrade
[02:17] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:17] <gnomefreak> PyroMessiah: yw
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !uuid
[02:17] <PyroMessiah> What does "!hardware" mean?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> PyroMessiah: go to the link ubotu gave you
[02:18] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[02:18] <jepeltw> thanks
[02:18] <gnomefreak> jepeltw: yw
[02:18] <PyroMessiah> gnomefreak: I have, I'm just wondering why your reply was !hardware
[02:18] <gnomefreak> PyroMessiah: to give you the link. too much for me to remeber so i use bot every chance i get
[02:19] <spenc3> anyone know how can i fix my keyboard layout? the 'and ~doesn't work properly, i have to type it and then a space to display it.
[02:19] <PyroMessiah> Oh!  That's a bot command, okay.  lol  Thanks
[02:19] <phixnay> how can I get my cd drive to work after upgrading made it not "Just Work(tm)" anymore
[02:19] <atselby> gnomefreak: dpkg almost done
[02:19] <jepeltw> yay, now I understand why my IDE hard drive is now /dev/sda
[02:19] <gnomefreak> atselby: is it setting anything up?
[02:19] <slvmchn> what's #ubuntu+1 all about?
[02:19] <atselby> gnomefreak yes.
[02:19] <gnomefreak> jepeltw: kernel uses sda now
[02:19] <xtknight> slvmchn,  it's the channel for Feisty
[02:20] <atselby> gnomefreak: a whole lot.
[02:20] <slvmchn> ah feisty ok thanks
[02:20] <gnomefreak> atselby: good :)
[02:20] <phixnay> when I upgraded to feisty, it changed my cd drive to SCIS or something
[02:20] <phixnay> so I've heard
[02:20] <phixnay> but it doesn't auto mount anymore
[02:20] <gnomefreak> atselby: ill be right back i will look at it when i return
[02:20] <phixnay> I can't get it to work at all
[02:21] <atselby> gnomefreak: okay
[02:22] <phixnay> like I'm looking in /dev
[02:22] <phixnay> and I don't see anything that looks like it's a cd drive
[02:23] <phixnay> is there some kind of cd drive specific command that tells you what device your cd drive is?
[02:25] <jepeltw> phixnay, do you have a /dev/sr0?
[02:25] <gnomefreak> atselby: ok im back for now
[02:25] <phixnay> jepeltw: no, sorry
[02:25] <atselby> gnomefreak: still going
[02:25] <gnomefreak> k
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ill be here for a bit longer. im testing packages i just uploaded so once they are done i can go to bed
[02:26] <atselby> gnomefreak: okay.
[02:26] <atselby> do you want the current output?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> when its done
[02:27] <atselby> gnomefreak: okay
[02:27] <gnomefreak> atselby: or current now and rest when done is fine
[02:27] <atselby> ill have to remember this for future use.
[02:27] <spenc3> anyone know how can i fix my keyboard layout? the 'and ~doesn't work properly, i have to type it and then a space to display it.
[02:27] <mon^rch> waiting for my network to go down.... is there a log somewhere that will tell me what happened when it gets dropped again?
[02:28] <atselby> gnomefreak: does it usually take a while?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> atselby: depends on how many packages it has to set up in your case yes can take a long while
[02:29] <atselby> gnomefreak: okay.
[02:29] <mon^rch> anybody?
[02:30] <mon^rch> pretty please...
[02:30] <atselby> mon^rch: id think there is a log but i cant tell you where.
[02:30] <atselby> sorry.
[02:31] <atselby> i keep seeing this.. is that a problem id assume?
[02:31] <atselby> W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays.
[02:31] <atselby> W: mdadm: no arrays defined in configuration file.
[02:31] <atselby> W: mdadm: falling back to emergency procedure in initramfs.
[02:32] <spenc3> anyone know how can i fix my keyboard layout? the 'and ~doesn't work properly, i have to type it and then a space to display it.
[02:33] <atselby> spenc3: there's a package somewhere for remap or it might be installed already.
[02:33] <atselby> i think it's in the pref. menu.
[02:33] <gnomefreak> atselby: thats fine
[02:33] <atselby> gnomefreak okay
[02:33] <gnomefreak> ANYONE ON A GEFORCE CARD ON FEISTY AND HAD INSTALLED -LEGACY DRIVERS?
[02:34] <atselby> nope. sorry
[02:35] <gnomefreak> and i used caps on purpose.
[02:35] <atselby> XD
[02:35] <atselby> cause..you've got a problem with it?
[02:35] <gnomefreak> anyone on geforce4 cards can install nvidia-glx now that package uses 96xx drivers and nvidia-glx-new uses the 97xx drivers
[02:36] <gnomefreak> atselby: i dont have problems :)
[02:36] <atselby> ...
[02:36] <atselby> XD
[02:38] <linux_kid> After installing the feisty beta, it was sucessful.. until I hit GRUB.  My old kernel came up, and so did 2.6.20-14-generic and 2.6.20-14-i386.  All of these boot options come up with "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition."  Any Help?
[02:39] <linux_kid> ^^note to above post: this was an upgrade from edgy with the alt. cd
[02:40] <clever> lol
[02:40] <clever> im constantly changing vt's in ubuntu
[02:40] <clever> all week long
[02:40] <clever> videoo card never crashing
[02:40] <clever> loading and closing X's
[02:40] <clever> i shutdown X for a upgrade
[02:40] <clever> and the video crashes:P
[02:40] <clever> it just HAD to crash now:P
[02:42] <linux_kid> clever, could you send me your "/boot/grub/menu.lst" ?? I need to see how a certian syntax is...
[02:42] <leafw> where is the trash in the kde desktop? The ~/.Trash is the one from the gnome desktop
[02:42] <xtknight> .kdetrash?
[02:42] <clever> linux_kid: for which command?
[02:43] <leafw> xtknight : nope
[02:43] <linux_kid> clever, nevermind
[02:43] <linux_kid> clever: but thank you
[02:43] <clever> :)
[02:43] <leafw> so when I sent stuff to the trash it got dumped into hyperspace or what
[02:43] <leafw> this is a little silly :)
[02:43] <leafw> it must be around here somewhere
[02:43] <clever> use find
[02:44] <atselby> .. still a going
[02:44] <leafw> what about the trash applet
[02:44] <xtknight> you didnt happen to drag it into /dev/null? ;)
[02:44] <clever> find ~ -name "*...*"
[02:44] <leafw> that one should open it
[02:44] <clever> change the ...
[02:44] <leafw> clever : I know my way in a teletype
[02:44] <clever> :)
[02:44] <leafw> what I am trying to use is a desktop, for a change
[02:45] <leafw> JUAJAUJUA: trash://
[02:45] <leafw> it's a kio
[02:45] <xtknight> konqueror
[02:45] <os2mac> anyone seeing problems in Kubuntu Fiesty knetworkmanager?
[02:45] <leafw> who knows where it may exist phisically
[02:46] <jepeltw> os2mac, yep
[02:46] <bobdufour> Hi, I just installed feisty and the max resolution the GUI will let me set is 800x600 @ 60hz
[02:46] <gnomefreak> atselby: you might not be done before i leave :(
[02:46] <bobdufour> although I had 1024*768 b4
[02:47] <atselby> gnomefreak: should i just send what its got then?
[02:47] <atselby> gnomefreak: so you can at least see if theres anything in the first part thats gonna be problematic?
[02:47] <gnomefreak> cant do much until the end. if anything fails it will list them at the end
[02:48] <leafw> see you guys
[02:48] <atselby> gnomefreak: oh..
[02:48] <atselby> gnomefreak: there should be soemone who can help me though so if you're not here.
[02:48] <bobdufour> anyone experiences this resolution problem?
[02:48] <gnomefreak> atselby: make sure the kernel and kernel things video card drivers xorg(any xserver-xorg pacakges) udev dbus and a few/alot others need to upgrade
[02:49] <gnomefreak> atselby: should be but i have about 5-10 minutes left at most
[02:49] <gnomefreak> atselby: send me what you have
[02:49] <atselby> gnomefreak: huhm? and okay
[02:50] <atselby> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14987/
[02:50] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:50] <atselby> gnomefreak: wait i think it is done...
[02:50] <atselby> gnomefreak: i dont see any error messages.
[02:50] <atselby> the last line was
[02:50] <atselby> Setting up ubuntu-desktop (1.43) ...
[02:50] <gnomefreak> atselby: you got prompt?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> atselby: run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:51] <atselby> yes i did
[02:51] <gnomefreak> do it again
[02:51] <atselby> alright
[02:51] <gnomefreak> doe sit send you right to prompt?
[02:51] <thompa> intel macbook is running nice, though I lost a couple applets, touchpad is working real good too.
[02:51] <atselby> yes it does
[02:51] <gnomefreak> your good to go :)
[02:52] <atselby> gnomefreak: excellent. thank you.
[02:52] <thompa> the network manager applet, how do i get it back?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> things need to be set up before others and sometimes dpkg doesnt see it
[02:52] <atselby> ah.
[02:52] <gnomefreak> ok im gone :)
[02:52] <atselby> gnomefreak: night.
[02:52] <gnomefreak> night
[02:53] <atselby> brb all
[02:55] <os2mac> just posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/105352/+activity
[02:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 105352 in knetworkmanager "After recent update Knetworkmanager shows incorrect link status." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:55] <bobdufour> gnomefreak: thx, I have 89 udpates, so that might be it!
[02:57] <os2mac> anyone else having problems with Knetworkmanager after the update?
[02:58] <spenc3> anyone have a good vimrc for feisty??
[02:58] <spenc3> my vi is absolutely messed up now
[03:00] <jrib> spenc3: messed up how?
[03:01] <clever> apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[03:01] <clever> should prefill my drive with packages for the upgrade but holdoff on the install
[03:01] <spenc3> jrib:doesn't take my old vimrc, gone back to native old school vi command, not even recognizing cursor.
[03:02] <jrib> spenc3: did you install vim-full?  ubuntu installs vim-tiny by default which lacks a lot of features
[03:02] <voidmage> spenc3: I just use the one that vimtutor sent me to
[03:02] <voidmage> works fine for me
[03:02] <spenc3> voidmage: oh. which is...............
[03:02] <Lukian> I have an issue with fsck during boot: http://pastebin.ca/433843
[03:03] <voidmage> it's in /usr/share/vim70/vimrc_example.vim
[03:03] <os2mac> msg ubotu
[03:03] <voidmage> if you have vim-full installed you'll find it there
[03:04] <atselby> Woot
[03:04] <atselby> Feisty works
[03:04] <atselby> Perfect
[03:04] <jrib> "perfect" is kind of strong though :P
[03:05] <atselby> Well
[03:05] <atselby> Compared to Edgy.
[03:05] <atselby> My upgrade from Dapper to Edgy was hell.
[03:05] <Lukian> feisty is leaps and bounds over edgy..
[03:07] <atselby> Yeah.
[03:07] <hardaway> #centos
[03:07] <clever> im on 6.06 and am upgrading right now
[03:07] <spenc3> voidmage: oh. my problem is that i don't have vim-full installed.
[03:08] <jrib> spenc3: if you know enough about vim to use your own .vimrc that's a good reason to install vim-full imo
[03:08] <spenc3> can't believe that the full version of vi doesn't come with feisty by default.
[03:09] <spenc3> jrib: i choose a functional vim then any GUI anyday! :P
[03:09] <Lukian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+search?text=fsck <- which package refers to the util "fsck" ?
[03:10] <spenc3> jrib, voidmage: YEAH! vim problem solved.
[03:10] <spenc3> now only one issue left.
[03:10] <voidmage> what's that?
[03:11] <spenc3> does anyone know how do i get my keyboard layout fix so that it will spit out ' and ~ instead of using that as a sort of accent.
[03:11] <voidmage> ?
[03:11] <spenc3> voidmage: when i type ', it doesn't display it.
[03:11] <spenc3> only '+<space> would show the ' character.
[03:12] <atselby> The only complaint so far is my keyboard shortcuts do not work with the cube.
[03:12] <spenc3> voidmage: likewise, '+s = , '+' = 
[03:12] <voidmage> checked your keyboard layout?
[03:12] <spenc3> what should be the standard us english layout?
[03:12] <spenc3> pc104?
[03:14] <voidmage> yeah, pc104
[03:14] <voidmage> if you want a command
[03:14] <voidmage> setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us
[03:18] <spenc3> voidmage: it works! u the man!!!!
[03:20] <PyroMessiah> !hardware
[03:20] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:29] <joshua_> is there a particular reason why Feisty (or ubuntu in general) does not ship with nfs4 in the kernel?
[03:30] <joshua_> oh, whoops, I'm an idiot. it does.
[03:30] <moonwatcher> hi
[03:30] <moonwatcher> not sure if it has something to do with either of you
[03:31] <moonwatcher> but one of the last updates to fiesty has fixed the insane behaviour of the dns resolving
[03:31] <moonwatcher> :)
[03:31] <moonwatcher> just felt like sharing it with someone
[03:40] <Kr4t05> Hi. I had kernel 2.6.20-14-generic installed, and since over/upgraded to 2.6.20-14-386, I reinstalled the latest nvidia drivers (from nvidia.com) and it works fine. But, my settings don't stick, I need to reinstall the kernel module everytime I reboot.
[03:40] <Kr4t05> How can I make the nvidia kernel module stick.
[03:40] <Kr4t05> ?
[03:41] <RAOF> Kr4t05: Why did you use the nvidia.com drivers?  They're exactly the same as the packaged drivers
[03:41] <Kr4t05> RAOF: I wasn't aware of this.
[03:41] <Kr4t05> I wasn't sure if Feisty's drivers where up to date or not.
[03:41] <RAOF> Ah.  Right.
[03:42] <RAOF> Well, you could've checked the package version (which is 9755, same as the nvidia.com drivers)
[03:42] <RAOF> Also, you almost certainly want the -generic kernel.
[03:43] <Kr4t05> RAOF: I had a lapse in judgement... Quit riding on me... I have 20 minutes to do the outline for a term paper that could very well cost me graduation if I don't get it done properly.
[03:43] <Kr4t05> So, I suggest you just quit telling me how to configure my own system.
[03:43] <RaNDyMyZe> Kr4t05: well you asked didn't you?
[03:44] <RaNDyMyZe> he's just telling you how to "make the kernel module stick"
[03:44] <Kr4t05> I asked for simple advice with a specific problem, not critisism over my choice in kernels.
[03:44] <RaNDyMyZe> he's not criticizing you, he's giving you some good advice so you configure your driver more confidently
[03:45] <Kr4t05> Fine, I'll drop back to -generic, and face the caveat of recompiling my VMware modules.
[03:45] <RaNDyMyZe> i'm sure it's not personal. RAOF isn
[03:45] <RaNDyMyZe> isn't like that
[03:58] <joshua_> RaNDyMyZe, you were way too nice.
[03:59] <SirBob1701> does fiesty have a multiverse and universe?
[03:59] <xtknight> SirBob1701, yes
[03:59] <SirBob1701> okey
[04:00] <SirBob1701> is their an envy for fiesty?
[04:00] <xtknight> !info envy
[04:00] <ubotu> Package envy does not exist in feisty
[04:00] <xtknight> probably soon.  maybe not in repos
[04:00] <xtknight> SirBob1701, there's restricted manager.  which is better
[04:00] <SirBob1701> ok
[04:01] <SirBob1701> i just updated to fiesty had a hell of a time getting the xserver not to crash
[04:02] <RaNDyMyZe> joshua_: well maybe it was a misunderstanding
[04:03] <RaNDyMyZe> joshua_: plus he is a nice guy, at least from forum conversations that's my opinion
[04:04] <spenc3> where can i find glib-gettextize package on feisty?
[04:05] <xtknight> spenc3, hrmm.  out of curiosity are you trying to compile something?
[04:05] <spenc3> xtknight
[04:06] <spenc3> xtknight: yeah
[04:06] <xtknight> gettext pkg i was thinking.  i think i came across something like it and it was included in libc or somefin...the whole configue script totally didnt work with my linux
[04:06] <xtknight> what are you compiling/provide a log ?
[04:06] <spenc3> xtknight: trying to get involve in pidgin actually. just missing that to build the latest
[04:06] <xtknight> spenc3, ah let me try
[04:07] <xtknight> link to the src code youre using?
[04:07] <xtknight> or cvs/svn/git
[04:07] <spenc3> apt-cache search glib-gettextize give me nothing
[04:07] <spenc3> monotone actually.
[04:07] <spenc3> goto developer.pidgin.im to get the latest feed.
[04:08] <xtknight> what?
[04:08] <xtknight> oh im lost what cmd did you use to d/l it
[04:08] <spenc3> latest pidgin doesn't use cvs/svn/git now
[04:08] <spenc3> it uses monotone.
[04:09] <xtknight> oh my
[04:09] <xtknight> k it'll be a sec
[04:09] <moonwatcher> wow, people are so touchy about their kernels here....
[04:09] <spenc3> i can help u on getting that part setup. but then u need to help me on getting glib-gettextize working ;)
[04:10] <xtknight> 104mb huh?
[04:10] <xtknight> ;P
[04:10] <spenc3> xtknight: yeah
[04:10] <xtknight> another 4 minutes
[04:10] <RAOF> Why are there some many rcs's, anyway?
[04:10] <spenc3> xtknight: and yeah u need to get monotone from monotone.ca, the one on universe doesn't work
[04:10] <xtknight> never even heard of monotone, tomorrow there'll be a new one
[04:11] <xtknight> BLAH
[04:11] <xtknight> ;p
[04:11] <xtknight> alright
[04:11] <spenc3> xtknight: next one out will be stereo
[04:12] <spenc3> and the one after will be high Fidelity :P
[04:12] <xtknight> i was thinking duotone lol
[04:13] <spenc3> lol. wait till u get to IMAX version control :P then that will be state of the art ;P
[04:13] <SirBob1701> fiesty uses network-manager right?
[04:14] <spenc3> SirBob1701: yupper
[04:14] <SirBob1701> ok so i don't need it installed from my upgarde ?
[04:14] <spenc3> SirBob1701: should be part of the install.
[04:15] <SirBob1701> ya i had it in edgy tho and i dont want it to conflict does it need to be removed?
[04:15] <conn> hi, does anyone know where I can remove NetworkManager's "history" of connected networks? My wireless keeps associating with my neighbour's unsecured network
[04:15] <xtknight> sigh
[04:15] <MatthewV> is networkmanager supposed to be able to work with a static ip address?
[04:15] <xtknight> you know youre tired when you tried to download a .tar.bz2 for 5 minutes
[04:16] <xtknight> what the hell
[04:16] <xtknight> oh their tar archive is corrupt
[04:16] <spenc3> SirBob1701: well, i don't know about that. but i suppose it shouldn't be hard to get.
[04:16] <RAOF> MatthewV: No, it doesn't work with a static IP.  However, it should ignore any interface you've set a static IP for.
[04:16] <spenc3> xtknight: u need bunzip2 it instead of tar it.
[04:16] <xtknight> spenc3, both of monotone's binary archives are corrupt what gives
[04:17] <xtknight> tar xjvf ?
[04:17] <conn> MatthewV, it disables itself and uses network-admin
[04:17] <xtknight> ohhh
[04:17] <xtknight> it's not a .tar.bz2
[04:17] <MatthewV> RAOF, yeh it does - thats why i was just curious, cause now of course it tells me No network connection, even though i'm running fine
[04:17] <spenc3> xtknight: yup.. got tricked eh?? that happens to me too.
[04:17] <xtknight> jesus
[04:17] <xtknight> now where did it extract?
[04:17] <xtknight> lol
[04:17] <spenc3> did u get monotone yet? the one from universe is outdated.
[04:17] <xtknight> ya im trying to get it
[04:18] <xtknight> wow
[04:18] <xtknight> how did you install monotone?
[04:18] <xtknight> Usage: mtn-0.34-linux-x86 [OPTION...]  command [ARG...] 
[04:18] <xtknight> never mind i got it
[04:19] <xtknight> just extremely odd
[04:19] <spenc3> xtknight: wget http://monotone.ca/downloads/0.34/monotone_0.34-dapper0.1_i386.deb
[04:19] <spenc3> then just do a sudo dpkg --install on it.
[04:19] <xtknight> there we go
[04:19] <xtknight> sorry i'm just off tonight
[04:19] <phixnay> what happened to "report a problem" that used to be in menu>system
[04:19] <RAOF> It's disabled for release.
[04:20] <phixnay> RAOF: I need to use it
[04:20] <RAOF> There's still "ubuntu-bug" from a terminal.  You can run "ubuntu-bug -p <packagename>" to get a similar effect.
[04:20] <xtknight> spenc3, ok the pidgin file is almost done (100mb one)
[04:20] <xtknight> when did everybody start using bz2s without tar?
[04:20] <spenc3> if u are going to use 0.34 of monoton, then make sure u have to add an extra mtn -d /where_ever_the_db_file_is.mtn/ db migrate before ur mtn -d /where_ever_the_db_file_is.mtn/ pull
[04:21] <phixnay> RAOF: ok, and for package nonspecific?
[04:21] <xtknight> k
[04:21] <RAOF> !bug | phixnay
[04:21] <ubotu> phixnay: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:22] <RAOF> I don't think that package unspecific "report a bug" ever did much more than opening up that page.
[04:22] <spenc3> phixnay: still no luck on ur cd-rom?
[04:23] <phixnay> spenc3: nope
[04:23] <phixnay> I don't think the computer can see it
[04:23] <spenc3> phixnay: i offer my condolences
[04:23] <phixnay> spenc3: thanks : )
[04:24] <spenc3> phixnay: may i ask what type of cd-rom is that? seems to be pretty odd to have the kernel not seeing the cd-rom
[04:24] <xtknight> spenc3, k done with the pidgin.mtn.bz2
[04:24] <xtknight> it's probably not seeing the controller
[04:24] <spenc3> xtknight: cool :)
[04:24] <xtknight> spenc3, what do i do with this behemoth?
[04:25] <spenc3> bunzip it to somewhere
[04:25] <phixnay> spenc3: the computer is an old PIII from an office I got for $100
[04:25] <phixnay> I'm sure it's some kind of stock IDE
[04:25] <phixnay> I don't know how to find out specifically though
[04:25] <xtknight> spenc3, k
[04:25] <spenc3> phixnay: there a reason why i let go of my dual p3 when edgy came out.
[04:25] <xtknight> pidgin.mtn now
[04:25] <xtknight> put that to /home/user/monotone_databases/pidgin.mtn
[04:25] <xtknight> ?
[04:25] <spenc3> xtknight:$ DATABASE=/home/user/monotone_databases/pidgin.mtn
[04:25] <spenc3>   $ WORKINGDIR=/home/user/code/pidgin-mtn
[04:25] <spenc3>   Download the bootstrap database from http://developer.pidgin.im/static/pidgin.mtn.bz2
[04:25] <spenc3>   Extract the bootstrap database and move it to $DATABASE
[04:25] <spenc3>   $ mtn -d $DATABASE pull pidgin.im im.pidgin.*
[04:25] <spenc3>   $ mtn -d $DATABASE co -b im.pidgin.pidgin $WORKINGDIR
[04:26] <phixnay> spenc3: do you think this hardware isn't supported anymore?
[04:26] <RAOF> Why is monotone so unbelievably onerous to set up?  What's wrong with "bzr branch path_to_repository", or "git clone path_to_repository"?
[04:26] <spenc3> phixnay: i don't know.. newest packages sometimes lack support on old stuff.
[04:27] <spenc3> like my dual p3 machine, i can't even get mplayer working properly for a long time. :(
[04:27] <spenc3> coz it's i586 not i686 for that time.
[04:27] <spenc3> xtknight: got it?
[04:27] <xtknight> RAOF, monotone is 100% more improved than cvs and svn obviusly
[04:28] <xtknight> ya db migrate
[04:28] <xtknight> sec ;P
[04:29] <xtknight> wow
[04:29] <xtknight> what was that huge pidgin im.bz2 ?
[04:29] <xtknight> that's the source code ?
[04:29] <xtknight> cuz db pull is doing other stuff
[04:30] <xtknight> success
[04:30] <spenc3> xtknight: i don't know.. i think it's the source, and it is also encrypted apparently.
[04:30] <xtknight> lol
[04:30] <xtknight> ./autogen.sh?
[04:30] <spenc3> xtknight: success as in successful build? or successful checkout?
[04:31] <xtknight> co
[04:31] <spenc3> yeah go do it see what u miss ;)
[04:31] <xtknight> successful build wont come for a few more minutes
[04:31] <xtknight> ;P
[04:31] <xtknight> intltool
[04:31] <spenc3> ............... :( still struggling on getting glib-gettextize
[04:31] <xtknight> k have to wait for my updates
[04:31] <spenc3> u need automake1.10, autoconf intltool libtool
[04:32] <spenc3> and then u also need glib-gettextize, which is where i got stuck :(
[04:32] <xtknight> named my directory an expletive
[04:32] <xtknight> ok now apt-get time
[04:32] <xtknight> we'll get this compiled, somehow
[04:34] <xtknight> hrmm
[04:34] <xtknight> mine succeeded
[04:34] <xtknight> Pidgin will be installed in /usr/local/bin.
[04:34] <xtknight> configure complete, now type 'make'
[04:34] <spenc3> so do u know which package gives u glib-gettextize?
[04:34] <xtknight> no idea
[04:34] <xtknight> i guess i just had it already
[04:35] <spenc3> :'(
[04:35] <xtknight> doesnt that suck
[04:35] <xtknight> lol
[04:35] <xtknight> spenc3, pasteibn the whole log
[04:35] <RAOF> spenc3: It's in libglib2.0-dev
[04:35] <spenc3> spencer(pts/0)@spencer-desktop ~/workspace/pidgin %% ./autogen.sh
[04:35] <spenc3> You must have glib-gettextize installed to compile Pidgin.
[04:35] <xtknight> :O
[04:35] <spenc3> oh.. let me get that :P
[04:36] <xtknight> lol
[04:36] <xtknight> no idea it would come up in a locate
[04:36] <RAOF> xtknight: Now, fix my linking problems!
[04:36] <xtknight> hmm k
[04:36] <xtknight> well seeing as i had trouble extracting a bz2
[04:36] <xtknight> i dont know about that
[04:36] <xtknight> ;P
[04:37] <spenc3> RAOF: thanks.. nice command to know :)
[04:42] <spenc3> RAOF: see if i can help. what's ur question again?
[04:42] <RAOF> spenc3: How to get democracyplayer to correctly link to /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so
[04:42] <SirBob1701> how do i get the file browser to not show the windows partitions?
[04:43] <Taim> I am having problems getting X to work on the live CD.  Typically this isn't a problem as I can alter the config at the failback console.
[04:44] <Taim> Problem is that after X fails, it doesn't drop to a console.
[04:44] <Taim> Is there some way I can force the console to load instead of X initially?
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:46] <spenc3> such a productive day for fixing the little glitches on feisty for my box :)
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> on startup, hit escape... before grub gets to load its items...
[04:46] <bobo>  how do you keep rhyme box from poping up each time you put in a thumb drive?
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> then press e to edit the kernel line...
[04:46] <SirBob1701> rhythm box isn't opening mp3s event tho i can thru filebrowser
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> remove splash and quiet then add...
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> hang on a sec
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> single
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> that makes it go to runlevel single
[04:48] <sharperguy> when Pidgin 2.0.0 comes out will it be replacing GAIM?
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> or you could pick the recovery kernel mode after hitting esc
[04:48] <Taim> Hrmm..
[04:48] <sharperguy> oops lol should have read the topic
[04:49] <sharperguy> cya lol
[04:49] <Taim> so that will work off the LiveCD as well.
[04:49] <RAOF> sharperguy: See /topic
[04:49] <RAOF> I'm too slow, it seems :)
[04:49] <sharperguy> Gaim had to renaim because aol are being laim :P
[04:53] <SirBob1701> hey guys when i try to test the sound i get this error audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open resource for writing.
[04:54] <bobo> why does aol feel the need to be hated? i mean the second they get out of the news they do something else to piss every one else off
[04:54] <voidmage> no clue how much it would help but maybe something is using OSS?
[04:54] <voidmage> try running something with aoss?
[04:56] <SirBob1701> ??
[04:58] <shwag> are the gaim packages going to be renamed to pidgin or what ?
[04:58] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:58] <RAOF> For feisty+1, of course.
[04:58] <shwag> why the wait?
[04:59] <bobo> libgaim is renamed to libpurple
[04:59] <SirBob1701> can anyone help me.  I know its a permissions issue because i can get rhythmbox to work if i run sudo rhythmbox
[04:59] <RAOF> shwag: Because feisty is almost released, and no one wants to break a main package in that way?
[05:00] <RAOF> SirBob1701: :(.  Really, you should *never* run any user app with sudo.  It just breaks things.
[05:00] <RAOF> SirBob1701: It's probably caused your rhythmbox database to be owned by root, or somesuch.
[05:00] <SirBob1701> true but for testing purposes its not bad
[05:00] <RAOF> SirBob1701: No, for testing purposes it will *still* break your programs.
[05:01] <SirBob1701> o
[05:01] <SirBob1701> still need sound hlep lol
[05:01] <RAOF> Anyway, you probably want to "sudo chown -R <username> ~/*"
[05:01] <SirBob1701> already tried that
[05:01] <xtknight> make sure that's ~/* and not /*
[05:01] <xtknight> ;P
[05:02] <RAOF> very good point :)
[05:02] <SirBob1701> ya thats not it
[05:02] <RAOF> SirBob1701: Are you in the audio group?
[05:03] <xtknight> sudo dpkg --purge rhythmbox && sudo apt-get install rhythmbox
[05:04] <SirBob1701> hmm i don't even see an audio group
[05:04] <SirBob1701> this only happend since i upgraded to fiesty btw
[05:04] <SirBob1701> xtknight already tried taht
[05:05] <shwag> why did they pick purple ?
[05:05] <shwag> RAOF: bobo:
[05:07] <SirBob1701> should i add an audio group?
[05:07] <niriven> hi, 'desktop effects' in ubuntu feisty works great but the cube effect eventually stops working, and i hav to remove all config files to get it to work again, anoyne else have this problem?
[05:09] <bobo> libpurple prpl (protocol plugin)
[05:10] <spenc3> RAOF: try to help u on ur link thing, does this URL help? https://develop.participatoryculture.org/trac/democracy/ticket/5645
[05:10] <RAOF> Already looked at it.  Also, he's wrong.  The package builds fine with an older pyrex :)
[05:11] <spenc3> RAOF: :( then more searching :P
[05:11] <RAOF> That's ok, I'll fix it with a wrapper script
[05:12] <spenc3> never use democracy before, so i can't help u on that :P
[05:12] <SirBob1701> hey RAOF should i create an audio group then ?
[05:13] <RAOF> SirBob1701: No idea.  You really should have one already.
[05:15] <SirBob1701> fuuu
[05:15] <SirBob1701> **
[05:23] <Taim> woof.  Almost better to use the alternate CD to get system installed.
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> much more reliable and handy to have around that is
[05:25] <Taim> Lesse.  Boot single, get network up, update sources, install 915resolution, start 915resolution, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <enter everything>, init 3.
[05:25] <Taim> Not bad.
[05:25] <Taim> not good.
[05:25] <shwag> ever since I upgraded to feisty, my usb device has been going crazy. randomly unmounting and remounting.
[05:25] <shwag> caching like crazy.
[05:25] <xtknight> shwag, check connections.
[05:25] <xtknight> shwag, also make sure your usb headers are plugged in properly.  could be a controller problem
[05:26] <xtknight> of course, it could be the usb device too.  i've had that.  my logitech usb mouse just randomly disconnected itself off and on
[05:26] <shwag> xtknight: im pretty sure it was working fine until i upgraded to fiesty.
[05:26] <xtknight> maybe gnome hal mounter is in an infinite loop
[05:26] <shwag> xtknight: dmesg,  scsi 5:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[05:27] <shwag> xtknight: if I shutdown my computer, I can still here my drive reading for about a minute after my computer is completely powered down.
[05:27] <shwag> xtknight: like maybe it is doing cached writes ??
[05:27] <shwag> xtknight: I think amule is giving it a run for its money.
[05:28] <shwag> but the network manager is crashing too. all kinds of stuff is crashing. i dont know whats up.
[05:28] <xtknight> hmm
[05:28] <xtknight> updates probably
[05:28] <xtknight> crashed my gnome and my net manager today
[05:28] <shwag> yah
[05:28] <shwag> reboot time
[05:29] <spenc3> xtknight: i still haven't compile my pidgin yet :(
[05:29] <xtknight> damn
[05:30] <xtknight> spenc3, you got glib though?
[05:31] <spenc3> xtknight: yeah.. but something missing on the libgtk-2.0.0-dev
[05:32] <xtknight> hmm>?
[05:34] <emet> when do we start talking about fiesty+1
[05:35] <xtknight> in here in a couple weeks i guess
[05:35] <spenc3> xtknight: this is what i got: configure: error:
[05:35] <spenc3> You must have the GTK+ 2.0 development headers installed to compile Gaim's
[05:35] <spenc3> GTK+ interface.  If you only want to build the console interface then
[05:35] <spenc3> specify --disable-gtkui when running configure.
[05:35] <xtknight> ah
[05:35] <emet> fiesty+1 should have an indexer by default
[05:35] <emet> imo
[05:35] <xtknight> glib!=gtk
[05:35] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[05:35] <spenc3> i got the libgtk-2.0.0-dev already
[05:35] <emet> like spotlight on OS X
[05:36] <spenc3> but still does the same thing
[05:36] <emet> 1) spotlight like search 2) improve the Desktop Effects applet
[05:36] <mon^rch> think I can find an "nvu" package and install it, and have it upgrade properly once tonyyarusso has finished his "rewrite"?
[05:36] <emet> umm
[05:36] <emet> yeah
[05:36] <emet> ubuntu kicks ass
[05:36] <emet> I can't think of anything else
[05:36] <emet> lol
[05:37] <spenc3> wonder when will we have a creative x-fi driver for ubuntu................ feisty + 20??
[05:37] <xtknight> proprietary one 2q 2007
[05:37] <xtknight> supposedly
[05:37] <spenc3> well, as of last may
[05:37] <spenc3> not trusting that at all.
[05:37] <Naddiseo> Man, I can't wait for feisty+1
[05:37] <emet> I wonder when ATI comes out with better drivers
[05:38] <RAOF> emet: You know, Feisty already *has* an indexer by default?  It's beagle.
[05:38] <Naddiseo> The updates have slowed
[05:38] <emet> that support AIGIX
[05:38] <emet> RAOF: it's not very obvious
[05:38] <xtknight> how do you use beagle?
[05:38] <spenc3> emet: don't know, but i guess both of us should hold our breath :P
[05:38] <xtknight> places->search for files doesnt use it, does it?
[05:39] <xtknight> spenc3, no idea.  mine works witih gtk
[05:39] <emet> I don't think so
[05:39] <xtknight> spenc3, just install 5000 dev pkgs ;P
[05:39] <spenc3> xtknight: :P
[05:39] <xtknight> Has you....................... : yes
[05:39] <xtknight> what the
[05:39] <emet> how do I get software I made into the ubuntu repo
[05:39] <RAOF> emet: There's a magnifying glass in the notification tray.  That's pretty ovious :)
[05:39] <emet> it's open source
[05:39] <RAOF> emet: !packagingguide
[05:39] <xtknight> i dont have a magnifiying glass
[05:40] <RAOF> xtknight, emet: Did you upgrade from Edgy, or install afresh?
[05:40] <emet> !packagingguide
[05:40] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[05:40] <xtknight> never had beagle
[05:40] <emet> install fresh
[05:40] <xtknight> i think his point is, who knows about beagle?
[05:40] <xtknight> ;p
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> emet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU, #ubuntu-motu
[05:40] <RAOF> xtknight: Well, for me it was installed by default.
[05:40] <xtknight> ive vaguely heard of it but i think it should be integrated
[05:40] <xtknight>  fresh install here
[05:40] <spenc3> xtknight: did u upgrade from dapper/edgy or it's a fresh install of feisty?? mine is fresh, so wonder what is missing from the fresh install.
[05:40] <emet> yeah it should be obvious like it is in OS X
[05:41] <emet> and Linux's FS makes it really easy to make an index feeder that is fast
[05:41] <emet> cause you can pretty much ignore everything outside of ~
[05:41] <emet> by default at least
[05:42] <emet> tonyyarusso: ok, I'll make a .deb of my program and submit it to MOTU
[05:42] <RAOF> In particular, you want to put it on REVU
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> emet: Actually, you want to submit the source package, not a .deb
[05:43] <emet> that makes sense
[05:43] <emet> I could put viri in it lol
[05:43] <emet> it's a single .c file
[05:44] <emet> ncurses-based hangman
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Plus, .debs are architecture-specific
[05:44] <emet> it's better then the one that comes with bsdgames, in fact it's in color :O
[05:45] <xtknight> and they add their own stuff anyway
[05:45] <xtknight> the whole system is based around building from souce
[05:45] <emet> ok as long as they publish their modifications (GPL) :D
[05:46] <emet> I'll prob submit it end of April cause it's a former school project
[05:46] <xtknight> no
[05:46] <xtknight> not those modifications really
[05:47] <xtknight> actually kinda i guess
[05:47] <xtknight> some peopl will fix bugs in the package
[05:47] <xtknight> and yeah itll be gpl
[05:47] <emet> maybe I'll make a sf project
[05:47] <emet> console games
[05:47] <hooray> whats the difference btw i386 and generic kernel? which one is better i have k7 athlon xp, i know generic does x64 but it also works for 386
[05:47] <emet> cool I'd love people to take apart my code
[05:47] <xtknight> hooray, i386 is for old pentiums in your basement.  genreic autodetects and works well on the latest Core 2 duo
[05:47] <emet> that's exciting for some reason
[05:47] <hooray> i386 works with 386 and better it says...
[05:47] <xtknight> linux is based around multiplpe people reviewing code
[05:48] <xtknight> 386 and better...really only 386 ;P
[05:48] <xtknight> well it's slower
[05:48] <xtknight> most people will want to use generic
[05:48] <emet> I'd publish my code right now but I am afraid my school will find the source on the net and think I copied it
[05:48] <xtknight> that is optimized for higher.  386 only /works/ with higher
[05:49] <emet> but yeah, we need a nice collection of console games
[05:49] <emet> maybe I'll do texas holdem next :o
[05:49] <emet> I need a professor to assign me a project and due date though, otherwise I never get anything done
[05:50] <xtknight> emet, finish your texas holdem by april 19th 00:00 utc
[05:50] <emet> lol
[05:50] <xtknight> getr done
[05:50] <xtknight> ;p
[05:51] <xtknight> not that it would be in feisty anyway
[05:51] <xtknight> cuz it's frozen i think
[05:51] <emet> even Universe?
[05:51] <xtknight> i dunno
[05:51] <xtknight> april 12 i think
[05:51] <xtknight> for universefreeze
[05:51] <emet> there is still backports
[05:51] <xtknight> ya heh
[05:52] <emet> I like how ubuntu does it
[05:52] <xtknight> if your console games fix critical security bugs maybe itll get in backpotrs
[05:52] <xtknight> lol
[05:52] <xtknight> jk i think it's for anything
[05:52] <emet> isn't backports for features
[05:52] <emet> yah
[05:52] <emet> regualr repos are for bug fixes
[05:53] <xtknight> !schedule
[05:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:53] <emet> it's better that way cause if you have new features coming into ubuntu every day
[05:53] <emet> it confuse people and break things
[05:53] <xtknight> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[05:53] <emet> like with fiesty lol
[05:53] <xtknight> there we go
[05:53] <emet> every day the frecken artwork changed
[05:54] <emet> I log into a different gdm screen like 5 different times
[05:54] <xtknight> what goes on between april 12 and 19th anyway?
[05:54] <xtknight> isnt everything frozen?
[05:54] <emet> probablu
[05:54] <emet> I suprised there were major changes in the beta to now
[05:54] <emet> 400-500 packages upgraded for me
[05:55] <xtknight> problem is, lots more people install the beta than earlier herds so the # of bugs grows exponentially
[05:55] <emet> \it's a good thing solid releases
[05:55] <emet> fiesty is gonna be solid
[05:55] <emet> edgy wasn't so solid imo
[05:55] <xtknight> yea
[05:55] <xtknight> still some stock pkgs that dont work right tho
[05:55] <xtknight> like democracyplayer
[05:55] <xtknight> hope they're able to fix all that
[05:56] <xtknight> worst case they will come in in later updates
[05:56] <xtknight> afaik but all this "freezing" stuff confuses me
[05:56] <emet> first thing they freeze is debian upstream
[05:57] <emet> then all kinds of other stuff like artwork
[05:57] <clever> 1170 upgraded, 213 newly installed, 70 to remove and 38 not upgraded.
[05:57] <clever> Need to get 0B/848MB of archives.
[05:57] <clever> After unpacking 267MB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:57] <clever> might take a while:P
[05:57] <emet> yeah I like it for somereason
[05:57] <xtknight> lol
[05:57] <emet> it feels like I'm pumping my distro with gas
[05:57] <xtknight> yea
[05:58] <emet> everyday it's like another 70 MB to dl lol
[05:58] <xtknight> just wait till it farts ;p
[05:58] <emet> it's drop dramatically when fiesty is released
[05:58] <emet> but in alpha they were patching things like hourly
[05:58] <clever> lol
[05:59] <xtknight> i love it how there's an update every 10 mins
[05:59] <xtknight> that's a good sign
[05:59] <clever> i did apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[05:59] <crimsun> the actual changes are misleading
[05:59] <clever> so i was able to just dl the new version without installing
[05:59] <clever> and then check n disk space
[05:59] <xtknight> keeps my apt-get trigger finger busy
[05:59] <clever> lol
[05:59] <clever> im upgrading to 6.10 right now
[05:59] <xtknight> why does kde have so many errors?
[05:59] <clever> will have to upgrade again in a min:P
[05:59] <xtknight> ksysca, etc
[05:59] <xtknight> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:59] <crimsun> we don't do incremental diffs like Debian does, so when you download an update, you grab the entire package regardless of the actual fix, which may not even be in a binary but in a conffile
[06:00] <crimsun> cf. my alsa-lib upload from yesterday
[06:00] <xtknight> ohh
[06:00] <emet> apt supports incremental diffs?
[06:00] <xtknight> crimsun, why not diff packages?
[06:00] <emet> I thought that was one of the criticisms of apt
[06:00] <emet> that it doesn't
[06:00] <xtknight> fear of getting desynchronized or something?
[06:00] <crimsun> emet: to be proper, the Debian infrastructure and Debian's apt-get do
[06:01] <crimsun> xtknight: because they don't work with soyuz [yet] 
[06:01] <xtknight> soyuz?
[06:01] <crimsun> we don't use the same infrastructure on the backend that Debian does
[06:01] <emet> didn't ubuntu add auto-remove to apt
[06:01] <xtknight> ya
[06:02] <xtknight> i like launchpad better than debian's bug system...it's much easier to use
[06:02] <emet> yeah that thing saved me like 30 MB of space
[06:02] <emet> lol
[06:02] <xtknight> theyre still in the dark ages
[06:02] <emet> ftw
[06:02] <crimsun> xtknight: https://launchpad.net/soyuz
[06:02] <xtknight> manually composing an email? cmon
[06:02] <crimsun> and some of us prefer Debian BTS ;)
[06:02] <xtknight> well you guys are too old
[06:02] <xtknight> ;P
[06:02] <crimsun> maybe.
[06:02] <crimsun> more likely we're in situations where LP is cumbersome
[06:03] <crimsun> think high latency, low throughput conditions
[06:03] <xtknight> lol
[06:03] <xtknight> hmm
[06:03] <xtknight> i just got an image in my mind of somebody submitting 500 bugs a second
[06:03] <crimsun> for instance, I'm currently on a 56kbps dialup that feels like a 14.4
[06:03] <xtknight> ahh
[06:04] <emet>  is Desktop Effects written in C?
[06:04] <emet> the applet
[06:04] <xtknight> probably python but i can check
[06:05] <crimsun> emet: it is.
[06:05] <emet> oh
[06:05] <xtknight> ahh
[06:05] <xtknight> restricted manager is py
[06:05] <emet> I hate C for GUI development
[06:05] <emet> heh
[06:05] <xtknight> me too
[06:05] <xtknight> i hate any gui development
[06:06] <xtknight> without visual basic or .NET or something
[06:06] <emet> yeah console is easier to work with
[06:06] <xtknight> i have to click and drag
[06:06] <emet> ncurses is brain dead
[06:06] <xtknight> console apps are stlil alive and well at least on linux
[06:06] <emet> hell yeah
[06:06] <xtknight> on windows you'd be silly to make a console app
[06:06] <crimsun> sometimes text-based interfaces are preferable. Think people with vision impairment. Accessibility (a11y) is a Big Deal.
[06:07] <emet> actually
[06:07] <xtknight> GUI isn't always easier anyway
[06:07] <xtknight> apt-get install <asdf> is easier than gksu synaptic..search..apply
[06:07] <emet> I heard of a study which showed the console is actually easier then GUI
[06:07] <xtknight> gui is only easier at first
[06:07] <emet> yeah it's also far easier to make tutorials for console administration
[06:07] <emet> no taking step by step instructions
[06:07] <xtknight> yea
[06:07] <emet> and it's copy and paste
[06:08] <xtknight> 'click start->menu mouseover this
[06:08] <xtknight> blah
[06:08] <xtknight> come to think about it, i hardly use any '3rd party' apps
[06:08] <xtknight> almost everything is in the repos
[06:08] <xtknight> and supported by ubuntu/motu
[06:09] <emet> I used to use synaptic
[06:09] <xtknight> havent used that synaptic thing for years
[06:09] <xtknight> apt-get all the way
[06:09] <emet> heh
[06:09] <emet> I just type "ins <package name>"
[06:09] <emet> I have an alias
[06:09] <emet> heh
[06:09] <xtknight> ahh
[06:09] <compilerwriter> Has feisty proven fairly stable at this point?
[06:09] <emet> and psch to search for package
[06:09] <emet> show to show details about a package
[06:10] <emet> "upgrade" to update and upgrade
[06:10] <emet> heh
[06:10] <emet> love the macros
[06:10] <xtknight> still the typing here
[06:10] <xtknight> exercises my hands i guess
[06:10] <micahcowan> shirish, you can open a terminal emulator, yes?
[06:11] <shirish> you mean tty1-6 yes
[06:11] <shirish> CTRL+ALT+1-6 yes
[06:11] <shirish> sorry CTRL+ALT+F1-6 yes
[06:11] <micahcowan> shirish, you get the desktop, but not the task bar with menu?
[06:12] <shirish> I get the taskbar with the menu, I moved the taskbar with menu on the bottom, while the top is for the windows which are opened
[06:13] <shirish> micahcowan: my issue is that status bar or whatever it is called is non-fuctioning
[06:14] <shirish> also when I am trying to enable show desktop, it is giving me a dialog box saying your window manager does not support the show desktop button, or you are not running a window manager
[06:14] <shirish> I am running GNOME
[06:14] <micahcowan> If you open a window, does it have decorations on it?
[06:14] <micahcowan> (title bar)
[06:15] <shirish> I am also unable to access the windows/applications behind this one
[06:15] <shirish> micahcowan: nope, no window decorations, no title bar
[06:15] <bur[n] er_> use alt+ left click to drag the windows around
[06:15] <micahcowan> Your window manager probably /isn't running, then.
[06:15] <bur[n] er_> shirish: run "metacity" at a term
[06:15] <shirish> lol, but then how am I chatting with you guys,
[06:16] <micahcowan> Can you run a terminal emulator in your desktop, either via the menus, or via alt-F2 (I think it is: mine's different)
[06:17] <micahcowan> shirish, well, windows can still appear so long as X is running, but without a window manager you can't easily move them around, as well as some other things that you'd miss.
[06:17] <shirish> although I have opened a terminal but cannot enter anything into it, also alt+f2 is not working
[06:18] <shirish> any ideas?
[06:18] <shirish> cannot even have a screenshot taken
[06:18] <micahcowan> Can't enter anything into it? Hm... do you need to click on it first/hover your mouse over it while you type?
[06:18] <clever> CRAP
[06:18] <clever> apt-get dist-upgrade crashing
[06:19] <clever> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:19] <clever> .......
[06:19] <shirish> micahcowan: nope, clicking & howering also does not have any effect
[06:19] <clever> the kterm package was coliding with files from another package
[06:20] <shirish> its status bar, or whatever its called, is also not seen
[06:20] <shirish> micahcowan: the terminal status bar, or whatever it is called, cannot be seen
[06:21] <micahcowan> shirish, what do you mean by the status bar? The typing part? ...Are you able to drag the window via alt+click?
[06:22] <shirish> micahcowan: the status bar like firefox status bar, which shows transfer, and various other things.
[06:22] <shirish> micahcowan: I am unable to move the window via alt+ click
[06:22] <mzuverink> apache2 will not allow mw to share use dirs, any help out there?
[06:22] <micahcowan> Hm... my terminal emulator doesn't have that. Which are you using?
[06:22] <micahcowan> shirish, not surprised: that's typically a wm responsibility :/
[06:22] <micahcowan> mzuverink, mw?
[06:23] <shirish> micahcowan: I might be using the wrong term for status bar
[06:23] <shirish> micahcowan: use gnome & the stock terminal given in it
[06:23] <mzuverink> micahcowan, mw?  I dont understand
[06:23] <shirish> micahcowan: gnome-terminal
[06:24] <eljorge> hello to everyone, i've read somewhere that feisty should ask to install the proper codecs when i try to open a file, for example an mp3, am i a correct?
[06:24] <micahcowan> mzuverink, you said it first.
[06:24] <shirish> micahcowan: I do not know what the bar below the application is known as in linux
[06:24] <shirish> micahcowan: I was merely borrowing the concept from windows
[06:25] <micahcowan> shirish, hm, I'm using that, too, but I don't have the status bar... must be a config thing or something. And yes, that bar (at least, the one you described for firefox) is still called a status bar.
[06:25] <shirish> micahcowan: perhaps the lower window decoration as well as upper window decoration will be more apt
[06:25] <mzuverink> micahcowan, Im trying to share my /public_html and apache2 wants nothing to do with it
[06:25] <micahcowan> shirish, what about alt+Tab, will that let you type into the term em?
[06:25] <shirish> micahcowan: alt+tab is also useless
[06:26] <clever> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:26] <clever>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin', which is also in package kterm
[06:26] <clever> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:26] <clever>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb
[06:26] <clever> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:26] <xtknight> /usr/X11R6/bin is in kterm?
[06:26] <shirish> micahcowan: do u have exaile by any chance, the music player
[06:26] <xtknight> what?
[06:26] <micahcowan> mzuverink, what does apache2 give in the browser, and what does /var/log/apache2/error_log have to say about it? (pastebin it if it's more than a few lines)
[06:26] <thompa> my cube and filmstrip  in desktop effects stopped working after upgrade
[06:26] <clever> the kterm binary was in there
[06:26] <micahcowan> shirish, no, I use xmms still
[06:26] <xtknight> hmm
[06:26] <dark_light> I am using feisty beta and when I installed mplayer package (and used mplayer command) the videos, in full screen, are taking only a part of the screen. like 1/4. Is this normal? There are a way to solve it? In edgy it didn't occurred
[06:26] <mzuverink> micahcowan, Im sorry about the tpo, I have within the last week undegone wrist surgey and learning how to type one handed is a bugger
[06:26] <clever> and a diff package complained abut wanting to remove that folder to turn it into a symlink
[06:27] <dark_light> (I asked it in #ubuntu, and the people redirected me to here)
[06:27] <clever> now the apt-get refuses to finish and im stuck between 6.06 and 6.10
[06:27] <thompa> i am on macbook i had cube and filmstrip working by ctrl alt arrow keys
[06:27] <dark_light> (And, I think this is a common error of mplayer -- in past it happened too)
[06:27] <micahcowan> shirish, go to one of the CTRL+ALT+F<x> terminals, and after logging in, try "DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &", then switch back to the desktop.
[06:27] <shirish> micahcowan: ok for e.g. I would say the status  bar, for it is showing, 176 showing, 130 in collection, although that info. is still wrong
[06:27] <thompa> now nothing, but the touchpad is working real good
[06:27] <thompa> finally
[06:27] <micahcowan> mzuverink, I can imagine :/
[06:28] <shirish> micahcowan: is there space between 0 & metacity
[06:28] <tgelter> after installing feisty, amarok uses 100% cpu when open, I've tried purging it and reinstalling, but I have the same issue still
[06:28] <thompa> does anyone know what keyboard setting to use for macbook
[06:28] <mzuverink> micahcowan, ya da ...  [Tue Apr 10 23:57:06 2007]  [error]  [client 127.0.0.1]  File does not exist: /var/www/~mzuverink
[06:28] <micahcowan> yes, shirish
[06:28] <shirish> ok brb
[06:28] <mzuverink> micahcowan, it looks not to be using user mod
[06:29] <micahcowan> mzuverink, that's what I'm thinking.
[06:29] <mzuverink> micahcowan, let me go check it out...brb
[06:30] <|NewUser|> When i try to update .. with update manager or through apt-get i got this problem in last with some different mirrors... W: GPG error: http://pk.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[06:31] <micahcowan> mzuverink, I'm surprised that the sample config file doesn't have an example for you (mine doesn't, anyway), but check out http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/public_html.html
[06:31] <mzuverink> micahcowan, i only see a userdir.conf and userdir.load, no user_mod thought urser.load points to usermod
[06:31] <shirish> micahcowan: ok lemme just get this straight DISPLAY=0 metacity --replace &
[06:32] <thompa> well beryl works anyway
[06:32] <micahcowan> shirish, yes
[06:32] <tgelter> after installing feisty, amarok uses 100% cpu when open, I've tried purging it and reinstalling, but I have the same issue still
[06:32] <shirish> micahcowan: ok cool, so here is the error report
[06:33] <shirish> micahcowan: [1] :13506
[06:33] <thompa> if i use compiz window manager i dont get cube though
[06:34] <ssl> after apt update a few minis ago,my feisty cant boot!!!Does someone has the same problem???
[06:34] <shirish> micahcowan: shirish@ubuntu $window manager warning  found in configuration database is not a valid value for keybinding toggle-shaded
[06:34] <shirish> micahcowan: Window manager error=Unable to open X display 0
[06:35] <micahcowan> Whoops! should have been DISPLAY=:0 (colon zero)
[06:36] <shirish> micahcowan: ok that one did it right
[06:37] <shirish> micahcowan: thnx for your help, should I report it anyways or let it be, it might be a one-time occurence thing
[06:37] <micahcowan> Cool. If you remembered to tack the & at the end, you /should/ be able to log out of your CTRL+ALT+foo session.
[06:37] <micahcowan> shirish, if it happens again, /definitely/ report it. Is metacity your normal wm, or one of the fancy compiz/beryl?
[06:38] <micahcowan> shirish, if it happens again, /definitely/ report it. Is metacity your normal wm, or one of the fancy compiz/beryl?
[06:38] <shirish> micahcowan: sorry did not catch that last one
[06:38] <micahcowan> (figured, resent it :) )
[06:39] <DanaG> odd:
[06:39] <DanaG> BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000010
[06:39] <shirish> micahcowan: nope, normal thing, the only thing I have is the 1.9.93 X -modesetting driver (experimental)
[06:39] <shirish> micahcowan: otherwise I get the 640 by 480 desktop with no way to do anything
[06:39] <DanaG> [ 2300.860000]  Oops: 0000 [#1] 
[06:40] <DanaG> [ 2300.860000]  EIP is at snd_emu10k1_ptr_write+0x19/0xd0 [snd_emu10k1] 
[06:40] <shirish> micahcowan: the X window was killed & again restarted with the same issue
[06:40] <DanaG> Note: I'm skipping many lines.
[06:40] <DanaG> Basically, I got an OOPS in my snd-emu10k1 on resume from suspend.
[06:41] <micahcowan> shirish, did you change your session settings recently?
[06:41] <tgelter> after installing feisty, amarok uses 100% cpu when open, I've tried purging it and reinstalling, but I have the same issue still
[06:41] <shirish> micahcowan: nope nothing, just there were some updates which happened today
[06:41] <slackern> Hey there anyone else gotten that NetworkManager Applet says "No Network Connection" but everything is fine?
[06:42] <micahcowan> shirish, be sure to save that command I gave you (the one with COLON zero) somewhere!
[06:42] <shirish> micahcowan: this is the driver I am using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213
[06:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[06:42] <sonoftheclayr> hello all, i'm having trouble with my nvidia drivers, i installed it successfully but when i start x i get an api mismatch error and it tell me my nvidia kernel modules don't match the x modules
[06:42] <ssl> after apt update a few minis ago,my feisty cant boot!!!Does someone has the same problem???Is any OK now?
[06:42] <shirish> micahcowan: it is saved in my notebook, will have to use it atleast today, will be reporting it in afternoon, have to go to work
[06:42] <shirish> @now calcutta
[06:42] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 11 2007, 10:12:48 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 15 hours 17 minutes
[06:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, just today I tried to dist-upgrade an i945 system to Feisty.
[06:43] <DanaG> I couldn't get Xorg to work properly.
[06:43] <shirish> micahcowan: thanx for all your help, sorry have to go now
[06:43] <DanaG> Oh, and how do you use intelfb? I want to set up native-res accelerated console.
[06:43] <micahcowan> shirish, it might still turn out to be some misconfiguration, but it sounds like no: better report it.
[06:43] <micahcowan> Take care!
[06:43] <micahcowan> (afk now)
[06:43] <shirish> thanx :)
[06:46] <DanaG> Oh yay, yet another thing I've found to have backwards version advances:
[06:47] <DanaG> nvidia-glx in Linux (now I'd need -new), and RMClock in Windows.
[06:47] <DanaG> The latter went from 2.3b8 to 2.25rc2, or something like that.
[06:48] <emet> FF3 should come out for fiesty+1
[06:48] <emet> I think it coming out in June-August
[06:49] <Nick^69> Hi all
[06:49] <Nick^69> how do I add or Install -x-libraries options on Ubuntu 7.04 please  ?
[06:50] <ssl> Help,,,,,,,,after update,i can't boot with kernel 2.6.20-14...................
[06:51] <Fylk> The Package Manager nick.
[06:51] <Nick^69> I tried I could not find
[06:53] <Nick^69> what do I install x-libraries  or all start with x I am new on Linux plz help
[06:53] <Nick^69> ty
[06:55] <Fylk> What kind of Libraries do you want?
[06:55] <Fylk> Note, you have only a few minutes, I need to sleep.
[06:55] <Nick^69> I am tring to Install gcc C++ f
[06:56] <Nick^69> getting error
[06:56] <Fylk> To code, or to run?
[06:56] <Fylk> And what error.
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### Looking for X
[06:57] <Nick^69> ################################################################################
[06:57] <Nick^69> checking if you want to ignore X at all... no
[06:57] <Nick^69> checking for X... no
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### CONFIGURE ERROR:
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### Can not find the X libraries.
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### Make sure that X is installed on your system and try to run configure again,
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### this time passing the --x-includes and --x-libraries options.
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### You may also take a look at the config.log file in this directory,
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### that will tell you which checks have failed and maybe more about the
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### reason of the failure.
[06:57] <Nick^69>  If you use an environment that does not require X support such as Qt-Mac
[06:57] <Nick^69> ### you may try to rerun configure with --disable-x-support
[06:58] <Nick^69> Sorry for flood
[06:58] <crimsun> what are you attempting to compile?
[06:58] <Nick^69> GCC C++
[06:59] <Nick^69> sorry
[06:59] <Nick^69> kvirc-3.2.0
[06:59] <Nick^69> when I try to Install kvirc-3.2.0 its telling me there not C++
[06:59] <vega-> Nick^69: use pastebin.com, do not paste here
[06:59] <Nick^69> ok
[06:59] <Nick^69> sorry
[07:00] <crimsun> err
[07:00] <crimsun> why don't you just use adept to install kvirc?
[07:00] <crimsun> $ apt-cache madison kvirc
[07:00] <crimsun>      kvirc | 2:3.2.4-5ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[07:00] <Nick^69> ty I will try
[07:07] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[07:07] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[07:07] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[07:07] <DanaG> That's in update-manager.
[07:09] <DanaG> Who was it that was talking about audio yesterday?
[07:10] <ssl> I have install the jdk6-update1,but still have problem with Swing Display in beryl,,,,,,anybody can help?plz
[07:13] <vega-> hm, networkmanager seems to think i have no network devices after todays updates
[07:13] <vega-> same bug on two systems
[07:14] <vega-> still networking works
[07:15] <gabriel_> can someone tell me how to make my upgraded feisty to boot up correctly?
[07:15] <gabriel_> i keep booting into busybox
[07:16] <gabriel_> Alert! /dev/hdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[07:16] <ssl> i can't boot too,i use kernel 2.6.20-12 now.
[07:16] <gabriel_> but that's not feisty's kernel, is it?
[07:17] <DanaG> ke left droppings in my Gaim.
[07:17] <gabriel_> all i did was upgrade with adept, and now, no booting
[07:17] <DanaG> Oh yay
[07:18] <DanaG> gnome panel is repeatedly dying and respawning.
[07:18] <nomasteryoda> you can boot it if you get to a shell... right.. .they changed things... to all be sda drives ... if memory serves
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> not sure why
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, you can hit esc when booting and edit the grub lines
[07:20] <DanaG> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> you need to edit the kernel line ... press e to edit the line you need to tweak to get back to a gui
[07:20] <gabriel_> well, i tried booting with a live cd and chrooting my instalation, and did the apt-get upgrade again
[07:20] <Schalken> how come i cant see my nvidia card in the restricted drivers manager?
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> is it older?
[07:21] <gabriel_> I already checked my kernel line on grub, and its okay
[07:21] <DanaG> and it's grayed out.
[07:21] <gabriel_> i dont have the UID stuff
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:21] <DanaG> Maybe your fstab is screwed up.
[07:21] <Schalken> no its nw
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, ok...
[07:21] <Schalken> new
[07:21] <DanaG> I already customized my xorg.conf.
[07:21] <Schalken> gf6200
[07:21] <DanaG> It refuses to touch custom ones.
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> when working with a hda and hdb, you can get screwy results on updates... from time to time wtih feisty
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> i have
[07:22] <DanaG> :) or :| or :( ?
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> so check the line for .... where root resides
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> i
[07:22] <gabriel_> hmm...my installation is on hdb1
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> but i'll bet grub points to root (hd0,0)
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> you edit to root (hd1,0) and it should start up ok
[07:23] <gabriel_> hmm...let me check that one
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> k
[07:23] <Schalken> so how can i install nvidia drivers if it doesnt show up in restricted drivers?
[07:23] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> main restricted universe multiverse
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> you have all those added?
[07:24] <Schalken> yes
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> apt-cache search nvidia
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> after apt-get update
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> i get like 25 lines of references to nvidia
[07:25] <Schalken> k just a sec
[07:25] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: my grub line is: /bood/vmlinuz-2.6.20-14-generic root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:25] <gabriel_> so i guess its pointing to the right drive
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> well, go back to the vmlinuz part
[07:26] <gabriel_> sorry, not /bood/ but /boot/
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> backspace away the kernel number
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> down to '/boot/
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> then hit tab
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> should have some choices
[07:26] <gabriel_> yep
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:27] <GreySim> Hey, I'm using Feisty and LTSP, and I can't get sound to work. I don't know anything about Pulse Audio or LTSP until I learned a bit today, though I have set up my own thick client Ubuntu PXE boot system using Edgy, so I'm not a retard. I just have no idea where to find docs for this stuff.
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> pick the latest one...
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> and then remove the splash and quiet
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> so you can see what happens
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> after you press b to boot
[07:27] <gabriel_> it would be vmlinuz-2.6.20-14-generic
[07:27] <gabriel_> lets see...
[07:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how does that thin-client stuff work?
[07:28] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: apt-get update takes a while
[07:28] <DanaG> My college has some Sun SunRay machines with a really sucky Solaris setup.
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> that stuff is magic... DanaG
[07:28] <gabriel_> loading and now stopped
[07:28] <GreySim> It is indeed.
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> ya it should if you have not done it today
[07:29] <DanaG> I wish I could persuade them to convert to Ubuntu... but they'd probably say no anyway.
[07:29] <gabriel_> without a warning
[07:29] <GreySim> You can even run Compiz on the thin clients, I've discovered. :D
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, no errors listed or anything gabriel_
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> like maybe last line provides a clue?
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> GreySim, nice
[07:30] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: no, it stopped with the last line being: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:30] <GreySim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall Will get you from Feisty to PXE booting in under an hour, probably even vastly less if your server isn't a 400 MHz box. :P
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> i saw that before with mine... do you have any external usb drives connected?
[07:31] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: i also get about 20 lines with apt-cache search nvidia
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> er, wait.. usb input devices
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:31] <GreySim> Oh, I think you're talking about a problem I had earlier today, or yesterday.
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, i would do apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:31] <gabriel_> yep, my mouse and keyboard are usb
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:31] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> that will take a bit
[07:32] <gabriel_> okay, now i got an error
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, i would pull the cord on the mouse ... maybe...
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> since it is not needed until x
[07:32] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: great and now update manager wants me to update all of openoffice
[07:32] <DanaG> It's a multi-opteron box, but I don't actually know the people who admin it, and I doubt they'll go for something other than what they already have.  :(
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:32] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: that'll take like an hour :P
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> really?
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[07:32] <gabriel_> check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/hdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> you can stop if you want to
[07:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the clients have video and audio and USB BALL MICE!.
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, then do apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:33] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: stop?
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> it should let you
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:33] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> it will install the needed parts ... even update xorg if necesary
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> $1 mouse
[07:34] <DanaG> Sun mouse.
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, ok... can you run this command?
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> fdisk -l
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> to see what it lists your partitions as?
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> we know you have a /dev/hdb1 since you installed on it
[07:35] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay installed nvidia-glx
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:35] <gabriel_> within the busybox shell?
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> ya try it
[07:35] <gabriel_> ok, hang on..
[07:35] <choudesh> GreySim, that link you gave before doesn't work. got an updated link?
[07:35] <gabriel_> i just rebooted without usbs plugged
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, now if you are in x, you should be able to log out, and back in with nvidia
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, np
[07:36] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay then, h/o
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> if you press Ctrl-C right when it starts to load the USB modules, you can bypass the loading... .. used to work that way
[07:37] <gaminggeek> anyone having problems with compiz when you maximise a window?
[07:37] <gaminggeek> I can't get it to unmaximise...
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> you mean like in firefox?
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> or konqueorr
[07:37] <gaminggeek> yea
[07:37] <gaminggeek> and xchat
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> i know what you mean
[07:37] <GreySim> choudesh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall ?  It works fine for me...
[07:37] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: no nvidia
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> that is a problem here on beryl too
[07:37] <gaminggeek> not fullscreen
[07:37] <gaminggeek> just maximise
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> i c
[07:37] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: that is, no nvidia logo or opngl working
[07:37] <choudesh> GreySim, yea, now it does.
[07:38] <choudesh> GreySim, very odd. I use etherboot atm. looking into PXE
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, did it install more than just nvidia-glx?
[07:38] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: nope
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:38] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: /bin/sh: fdisk: not found
[07:38] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: just 1 package
[07:39] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: i already had restricted modules though
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> you need also to install... linux-restricted-modules-'uname-r' where uname is the name of your running kernel
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> ah ok
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> well try this ... lsmod |grep nvidia
[07:39] <Schalken> but i will double check
[07:39] <GreySim> choudesh: I don't suppose you know anything about Pulse Audio do you? I'm trying to get sound set up on the thin clients, but I'm pretty stuck...
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> you may need to edit the '/etc/X11/xorg.conf and change nv to nvidia
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> then modprobe nvidia .. then restart X
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> ctrl+alt+bkspc
[07:40] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: lsmod | grep nvidia says...
[07:40] <choudesh> GreySim, actually, awhile back I tried pulse on a thin client. alsa was the only way to go
[07:41] <Schalken> nvidia               6837140  0 \n i2c_core               22784  6 i2c_ec,w83627ehf,eeprom,i2c_isa,i2c_i801,nvidia \n agpgart                35400  2 nvidia,intel_agp
[07:41] <choudesh> GreySim, ubuntu may be moving to pulse in the next rev
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> it is loaded, but not called by xorg... edit the file with that change...
[07:41] <Schalken> where \n is a new lino lol
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> ic
[07:41] <Schalken> that wasnt too big was it?
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> nope
[07:41] <Schalken> okay so edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[07:41] <DanaG> Wow, this is old, but probably still relevant:
[07:41] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> cool
[07:42] <choudesh> GreySim, thought the same, but every time I hear it, it is alsa not esd
[07:42] <choudesh> GreySim, still not too sure on the perks of pulse
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, also keep in mind once you do this to install nvidia-settings... that is one cool nvidia app.. and run as user to enable dual monitors, or tv out
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> i do it to watch my tv card on my "tv"
[07:43] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: "sudo modprobe nvidia" says "FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory"
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:43] <ToHellWithGA> i have no backspace key in xfce4-terminal when i am attached to a screen session
[07:43] <nomasteryoda> have you rebooted since updating to the new kernel ? 2.6.20-14-generic
[07:43] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: i do beleive i have
[07:43] <ToHellWithGA> ctrl+h works, but backspace doesn't.
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, then uname -a
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> to see what's loaded
[07:44] <Schalken> 2.6.20-14-generic
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> hmmm
[07:44] <Schalken> thats the latest right?
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> i've seen that error before... i would try to reboot since the new nvidia modules are not being seen by the running kernel
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> ... ya
[07:44] <nomasteryoda> sure is
[07:45] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay back in 5
[07:45] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: /bin/sh: fdisk: not found
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> i saw that...
[07:45] <gabriel_> there's no fdisk command on busybox
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> but that makes sense...
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> hold on
[07:45] <gabriel_> no prob
[07:46] <Zambezi> Woh. I ran apt-get upgrade yesterday and now I ran it again and it 71 packages. 154 MB.
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, try this... find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> at the grub prompt
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> you should be able to run grub...
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> then try that
[07:47] <gabriel_> do i reboot to get back to grub?
[07:47] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: that will happen
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> nope
[07:47] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: it'll be less pronounced if you don't use the meta-packages :)
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> should be able to type "grub"
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> and enter
[07:47] <gabriel_> grub not found either from busybox
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> restart then
[07:48] <gabriel_> k
[07:48] <gabriel_> c for command line on grub menu?
[07:48] <gabriel_> ok, im there
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:48] <Zambezi> ToHellWithGA, I have a quick connection so it's not a problem. But I so suprised so much is changed from day to day. It's the first time I run a beta.
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> it has gotten better Zambezi
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> i've been updating for over 2 months
[07:49] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: it's crazy.  particularly early in the week
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> sometimes 300 packages
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:49] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: find /boob/grub/stage1 returned (hd0,0)
[07:49] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: okay
[07:49] <Zambezi> nomasteryoda, I have two problems with Feisty. One is important. My scanner doesn't work.
[07:49] <gabriel_> sorry, /boot/
[07:50] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, good... so grub thinks it is on your hd0, when infact you were expecting it to be on /dev/hdb1
[07:50] <nomasteryoda> thought so
[07:50] <carutsu> hello, Feisty upgraded a lot of packages (about 200 MB) and now it sticks in the boot process a lot of time then it starts normally
[07:50] <Zambezi> ToHellWithGA, I usally run apt-get upgrade two-three times/day cause it always comes packages.
[07:51] <nomasteryoda> carutsu, mine too...
[07:51] <carutsu> the boot used to take 30 seconds now it takes 1minute or even 1:30!
[07:51] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, has similar issue
[07:51] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: i had editied xorg.conf to use nvidia (not nv) and it said the nvidia kernel module was version 9755 but he X module was version 9631
[07:51] <nomasteryoda> but his is related to grub error
[07:51] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: i go once in the morning before work and once in the evening typically
[07:51] <Zambezi> Mine froze yesterday after the upgrade. Internet broke and I had to take down the machine.
[07:51] <nomasteryoda> Schalken, then you need to change that back to nv
[07:51] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: yep thats how i'm here ;)
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> apparently the updates for the latest kernel are not posted... for nviida
[07:52] <Zambezi> ToHellWithGA, Sounds like me. When I wake up, lunch and when I go to bed.
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> glad i have not rebooted my main desktop... nvidia =D
[07:52] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: could the kernel module be left over from envy before i upgraded?
[07:52] <carutsu> so no solution?
[07:52] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: envy would have installed 9755
[07:52] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, now you can press esc after reboot... then edit first line...
[07:53] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: yeah and my pee break schedule is about the same :/
[07:53] <ToHellWithGA> being busy is bad
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:53] <gabriel_> ok
[07:53] <ToHellWithGA> it pays the addictions and bills though :0
[07:53] <gabriel_> which line do i edit? the root(hd0,0) one?
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> change the (hd0,0) to (hd1,0)
[07:53] <DanaG> what is envy?
[07:53] <gabriel_> ok
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> yea that is the one... root
[07:54] <Schalken> DanaG: its a script to automatically install the latest nvidia drivers in edgy
[07:54] <gabriel_> ok, then i press b on the kernel line?
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, you'll need to edit that when you get it booted  too to make it stick...
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:54] <gabriel_> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> hmmm
[07:55] <ToHellWithGA> gabriel_: that's a bummer, man
[07:55] <Zambezi> ToHellWithGA, Feisty is nice, but if they can fix my "supported" scanner, I would be able to leave XP for good.
[07:55] <ToHellWithGA> are they referred to by abstraction or uuid?
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, you say this is after an update?
[07:55] <gabriel_> yeah
[07:55] <hooray> help-in add/remove programs im trying to install deluge and i get: Deluge BitTorrent Client cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)
[07:55] <gabriel_> it first gave me some python2.5 dependencies errors
[07:55] <gabriel_> then did the apt-get upgrade -f
[07:55] <ToHellWithGA> Zambezi: i can't abandon windows until i know what my job will be.  for home use i don't need windows, but for work i'll likely need MATLAB and Excel :/
[07:56] <gabriel_> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:56] <gabriel_> changed my repositories to feisty
[07:56] <gabriel_> and just when everything seemed okay
[07:56] <hooray> and ive change servers, checked and uncheck get from source
[07:56] <gabriel_> i rebooted, and this happened
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> and did you do apt-get upgrade, update, dist-upgrade several times before reboot?
[07:56] <gabriel_> at first, i was not even seeing the usplash image
[07:56] <gabriel_> yes
[07:56] <Zambezi> ToHellWithGA, But Excel should work with Crossover Office right?
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> i did that too...
[07:57] <RAOF> gabriel_: Your problem is *exactly* the reason the update-manager is suggested, rather than just changing sources.list :)
[07:57] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: what if i installed nvidia-glx-new (9755) instead of nvidia-glx? then it would match my kernel module.
[07:57] <gabriel_> and a while earlier, i chrooted with a live cd and did the upgrade again
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> my grub is hosed, but i edit on each boot.. and will do so until iget the last main update isntalled
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> that should work
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> same as envy
[07:57] <Schalken> okay ill give it a try
[07:57] <gabriel_> RAOF: i did the sources thing cause the update-manager choked on some python2.5 dependencies problem
[07:58] <Schalken> would be nicer to be able to get rid of envy's kernel module instead
[07:58] <RAOF> Ah.  I hope you reported the bug.
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> gabriel_, i'll suggest booting into the thing with the live cd...
[07:58] <RAOF> Anyway, your problem is that it won't boot from /dev/hda?
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> hang on, someone here knows how to chroot better than me at this late time...
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> /dev/hdb1 it is
[07:58] <gabriel_> yes
[07:58] <bill__k> what's the best way to upgrade to feisty from my clean edgy x86 install?  it was going to take me too long to dl the full iso
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> RAOF... hope you can help... zleep i do now
[07:58] <bill__k> quick link?
[07:59] <gabriel_> i mounted /dev/hdb1 into media/feisty
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> update-manager bill__k
[07:59] <gabriel_> then sudo chroot media/feisty su
[07:59] <RAOF> gabriel_: Well, the update-manager would've changed that to /dev/sda, because the new kernel's going to be calling that /dev/sda :)
[07:59] <nomasteryoda> or that
[07:59] <RAOF> !upgrade | bill__k
[07:59] <ubotu> bill__k: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:00] <Schalken> oooh, upgrade notes! i wish i saw that before i pushed the button.
[08:00] <choudesh> you know you have way too much stuff to backup, when your weekly full backup takes 31 hours.
[08:00] <hooray> anyone use deluge?
[08:00] <gabriel_> RAOF: but my grub has its line correctly pointing to /dev/hdb1
[08:00] <Schalken> hooray: i do
[08:00] <hooray> howd u install it?
[08:00] <choudesh> hooray, i do, but i am migrating to ktorrent.
[08:00] <choudesh> hooray, apt-get install deluge-torrent
[08:00] <RAOF> gabriel_: How do you know that's correct?
[08:01] <Schalken> hooray: grab the deb (its for debian, but works in ubuntu) from deluge-torrent.org
[08:01] <bill__k> RAOF, thx
[08:01] <hooray> Couldn't find package deluge-torrent
[08:01] <gabriel_> RAOF: cause that's where my partition is (installed it manually when i installed edgy)
[08:01] <hooray> oh ok
[08:01] <Schalken> choudesh: the developer said not to isntall the version from the repos. dont know why.
[08:02] <gabriel_> RAOF: plus, when i mount /dev/hdb1 using the live cd, i do get my files there
[08:02] <choudesh> Schalken, hooray - I thought was was to be upstreamed today
[08:02] <gabriel_> so that partition is correct
[08:02] <hooray> why are u switching to ktorrent?
[08:02] <RAOF> gabriel_: Ah, the livecd thing is better evidence.
[08:02] <nu-> Hey guys. After i select "Install Ubuntu", i get /bin/sh can't access tty: job control turned off
[08:02] <nu-> any ideas?
[08:02] <Schalken> choudesh: you thought what was to be upstreamed today?
[08:02] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: so i chroot back again with live cd, and now what?
[08:02] <choudesh> hooray, because there are a few plugins that work for ktorrent
[08:02] <choudesh> Schalken, I thought the new fix was already in the repo
[08:03] <choudesh> Schalken, could have sworn that it got updated today
[08:03] <Schalken> choudesh: what fix
[08:03] <choudesh> Schalken, deluge doesn't download from peers that don't have DHT
[08:03] <choudesh> Schalken, well - that was my issue.
[08:03] <choudesh> Schalken, not sure if that was the ISSUE.
[08:03] <Schalken> choudesh: oh okay. never had that. but then again i probably couldnt tell.
[08:04] <choudesh> Schalken, heh
[08:04] <hooray> deluge doesn't download from peers that don't have DHT- what that sucks
[08:04] <clever[rev] > after upgrading 6.06->6.10 should i reboot to make shure it all works or go right to 6.10->7.04?
[08:04] <choudesh> hooray - the one that was in the repo. it should be ok.
[08:04] <choudesh> !deluge | hooray
[08:04] <ubotu> hooray: deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information
[08:04] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: anyway trying nvidia-dlx-new
[08:04] <Schalken> brb
[08:05] <hooray> well if ktorrent is better...
[08:06] <choudesh> hooray, try them both
[08:06] <Schalken> yay it worked!
[08:06] <Schalken> nomasteryoda: thanks for your help
[08:06] <carutsu> What should i do to improve my boot time? there's no way i'm gonna let any windows-zombie watch this time! it'll scare them!
[08:06] <choudesh> !boot | carutsu
[08:06] <ubotu> carutsu: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:07] <choudesh> carutsu, one of those links has a howto on boot time
[08:07] <carutsu> choudesh i must tell you it was fine until a recent upgrade
[08:08] <choudesh> carutsu, hmm...
[08:08] <choudesh> carutsu, only thing I can say is run bootchart and see what it is
[08:09] <carutsu> ok thx
[08:09] <choudesh> !bootchart | carutsu
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootchart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <choudesh> argh...more facts are needed...
[08:10] <carutsu> agreed
[08:11] <carutsu> you know what else is needed? a way to mute the flash content it's really annoying
[08:12] <choudesh> carutsu, in firefox?
[08:12] <carutsu> choudesh: nop in konqueror, although is there a way in firefox?
[08:12] <choudesh> carutsu, noscript
[08:12] <Ademan> anyone involved with the real nitty gritty of linux know how a 3rd party program might talk to the graphics card? (or any PCI card for that matter) i mean in a raw way, specifically i'm wondering about querying the device for supported resolutions (which i'm pretty sure is defined somewhere in the VESA specs)
[08:13] <carutsu> choudesh: the problem is i need the application but i dont want the sound
[08:13] <choudesh> Ademan, they are all stored in the video bios
[08:14] <gaminggeek> does anyone know where I can get the "GtkGLExt Python bindings"
[08:14] <sonoftheclayr> does anybody have the nvidia legacy driver working with the 2.6.20-14-generic kernel?
[08:14] <Ademan> gaminggeek: openGL and python?
[08:15] <carutsu> gaminggeek nop but try searching in Adept/synaptic for python-
[08:15] <carutsu> all the bindings are that way
[08:15] <Ademan> choudesh: well how would i ask the video card for them? i mean, at the very least, how might i send bits across the PCI bus? can i write to something in /dev ?
[08:15] <carutsu> i needed once a xml-python and it was hard to find
[08:15] <choudesh> Ademan, hold up a sec. what do you want to do?
[08:15] <gaminggeek> Ah
[08:15] <gaminggeek> thanks :)
[08:15] <sonoftheclayr> i keep getting an api mismatch
[08:16] <Ademan> sonoftheclayr: in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules   make it read this: DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia"  (unless you DON'T want the legacy driver, then put nv instead of nvidia)
[08:17] <jussi01> Hi all, I installed acrobat reader, but I cant seem to get it to run - it doesnt have a menu entry and I dont seem to have a command for it. can someone help me?
[08:17] <Ademan> choudesh: i want to query the graphics card to find out what resolutions are supported
[08:17] <gabriel_> nomasteryoda: you still there?
[08:17] <nu-> Hey guys. After i select "Install Ubuntu", i get /bin/sh can't access tty: job control turned off. Any thoughts?
[08:17] <choudesh> Ademan, I have some code for that....2 mins
[08:17] <gaminggeek> doesnt look like its there
[08:17] <gaminggeek> damn
[08:18] <sonoftheclayr> Ademan: thanks, i'll try it now
[08:18] <Ademan> gaminggeek: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/518270/PyGtkGLExt.html    might be a good place to start
[08:19] <Ademan> just as i thought though, it's a way for python to query what opengl extensions are available on your computer
[08:19] <Ademan> well any more importantly, use them...
[08:19] <choudesh> Ademan, you want you use the kernel call mode_table.
[08:20] <choudesh> Ademan, just link up against video.S
[08:20] <sonoftheclayr> Ademan: no luck
[08:20] <Ademan> what's it in? sys.h or something?
[08:20] <choudesh> Ademan, that is for the 2.4 kernel.
[08:20] <choudesh> Ademan, hmm, no, its in arch/i386/boot/video.S
[08:21] <choudesh> that is for x86
[08:21] <Ademan> oh oh, yeah, assembly junk :-p
[08:21] <Ademan> forgot the S extension
[08:21] <Ademan> i wonder if they provide something cross platform
[08:21] <DanaG> I tried dapper to feisty, but update-manager didn't even offer a dist-upgrade mode.
[08:22] <choudesh> Ademan, yeppers. ;-)
[08:22] <sonoftheclayr> is it possible to change the nvidia kernel module?
[08:22] <choudesh> Ademan, is the card vesa 2?
[08:22] <choudesh> Ademan, if it was then it is simple.
[08:23] <gaminggeek> found a package :D
[08:23] <DanaG> My system waits for eth0 to go up, even when unplugged.
[08:23] <Ademan> choudesh: i dunno, i was just figuring i might work on something to make configuring xorg a bit easier, and detecting all the resolutions a card can handle is a pretty good start
[08:24] <DanaG> Oh, for vesa modes:
[08:24] <DanaG> install hwinfo
[08:24] <DanaG> then sudo hwinfo --framebuffer
[08:24] <choudesh> Ademan, o. you may want to get the source for 915resolution
[08:24] <Ademan> obviously, bit depth, and the resolutions and such supported by the monitors as well...
[08:24] <choudesh> Ademan, or use third-party like DanaG stated
[08:24] <Ademan> well is it command line?
[08:24] <choudesh> yes.
[08:25] <Ademan> well i'll certainly check it out
[08:25] <DanaG> I tried that Feisty on a 945G.
[08:25] <choudesh> 915resolution is nice to force the video card in a certain mode
[08:25] <Ademan> certainly, if i can avoid the low level crap, i will
[08:25] <DanaG> it didn't work.  In fact, the consoles wouldn't even start -- GDM would say "oh no, fail." and then ctrl-alt-f1 gave a blank screen.
[08:26] <choudesh> DanaG, I see.
[08:26] <Ademan> ooh it uses libhd, so i could even avoid using hwinfo, cool
[08:26] <DanaG> I suggested to that person to try a fresh install -- he hadn't really customized anything.
[08:27] <DanaG> So perhaps the installer is more clever at video setup than the debconf is.
[08:27] <clever[rev] > DanaG: ?
[08:27] <DanaG> Oh, and how do you get intelfb accelerated framebuffer at native resolution?
[08:27] <shirish> ok guys, I wanna file a bug report, I cannot get my window manager to work (window decoration) without using the command DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace & what should I file in the bug-report?
[08:27] <Ademan> my experience has always been that i get 640x480 800x600 and 1024x768 in my xorg.conf at the start, anything beyond that requires mucking around with xorg.conf
[08:28] <DanaG> and I thought Intel video was supposed to be better for Linux.....................
[08:28] <zdzichuBG> DanaG: it is, when -modesetting driver is used
[08:28] <shirish> Ademan: there is a experimental driver called 1.9.93-x.org-modesetting driver which can be used
[08:29] <Ademan> wow, hwinfo had a lot to say...
[08:29] <DanaG> I tried the one in the repos, and it just gave a corrupt display.
[08:29] <DanaG> Though perhaps I was trying to drive a 1280x800 system at 1440x900 -- the person couldn't remember what res it used.
[08:29] <Ademan> shirish: it aids in detecting resolutions? or what?
[08:29] <choudesh> ight all. I am off to bed.
[08:30] <shirish> Ademan: it aids in detecting resolution by monitor
[08:31] <shirish> Ademan: DanaG: lemme finish doing the bug report & I can give u the link for the experimental driver with the bug-report
[08:33] <Ademan> hwinfo seems quite useful, although i'm pretty sure now it won't do what i'd like, but at the very least it should help me find the video card(s)
[08:33] <DanaG> There may already be a bug about the new driver.
[08:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213
[08:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[08:35] <Ademan> hrm, apparently pci cards have an associated "class", 3 seems to indicate a video card, but i'm not sure just yet..
[08:41] <shirish> DanaG: cool, you found it, I have been pushing for it to get it working right, seems I am the only one gunning for it atm.
[08:41] <shirish> DanaG: its me shirishag75 there
[08:43] <shirish> guys where is the xorg.conf file kept?
[08:43] <DanaG> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <DanaG> One thing I back up whenever xorg wants to dpkg-reconfigure for no apparent reason.
[08:44] <shirish> thnx, uploading a wm manager crash stuff
[08:44] <DanaG> Because debconf doesn't offer evdev or synaptics, or "just leave my **** config alone!"
[08:45] <RAOF> But debconf backs up your xorg.conf anyway, doesn't it?
[08:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how can I reset my hwdb participation?
[08:47] <shirish> DanaG: I do not see a way, perhaps you can file a bug for that & subscribe me also, shirishag75
[08:47] <DanaG> Oh, and for a dell wifi card, does it need ndiswrapper?
[08:48] <DanaG> Stupid Dell, making proprietary crap.
[08:48] <DanaG> And Intel Pro GbE, not Broadcom or anything else.
[08:48] <shirish> Dell has been doing that for ages
[08:48] <DanaG> The only thing I don't like: only 2-channel audio onboard.
[08:49] <DanaG> The worst was power supplies: same connector, different pinout.
[08:49] <DanaG> plug -- BOOM.
[08:49] <DanaG> or, POP, at least.
[08:49] <shirish> apparently these two cards are well-supported unfortunately I do not how to do stuff with them, ethernet here
[08:51] <DanaG> wtfhell? debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[08:53] <DanaG> sudo fuser -vk /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[08:53] <DanaG> fixed it.
[08:54] <Schalken> how come when i enable desktop effects, i have no window borders?
[08:54] <DanaG> Schalken: Are you on nvidia?  sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[08:54] <Schalken>  DanaG: restart X?
[08:55] <Schalken> too late
[08:55] <shirish> Schalken: I have been having the same issues, no window borders, but on i845 bug #105390
[08:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 105390 in metacity "window manager crashes/does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105390
[08:56] <shirish> DanaG: if you know something about this, can u look at the bug & see if I have categorized it correctly or not?
[08:56] <Schalken> DanaG: that did it. thanks a bunch!!! :)
[08:56] <DanaG> Also, there's an nvidia-glx-new that has the 9755.
[08:57] <DanaG> nvidia-glx has gone back to 9631.
[08:57] <DanaG> So if you don't have an old card that's been removed from 9755, you can use it.
[08:57] <Schalken> DanaG: yeah i have that. i had to because envy installed the 9755 kernel module wont work with 9631 anyway.
[08:58] <Schalken> DanaG: do you know how to get the nvidia card to show up under restricted drivers manager?
[09:02] <DanaG> I don't know that one.
[09:02] <DanaG> My restricted-driver offers me nothing for nvidia, ether.
[09:02] <DanaG> either.
[09:03] <DanaG> The card shows up, but doesn't let me change it because I have a custom xorg.conf
[09:03] <DanaG> but actually, what's more broken is displayconfig-gtk.
[09:03] <DanaG> That one only shows "Open Source driver: NV"
[09:04] <shirish> ah, the wonders of open source :)
[09:05] <shirish> sorry guys, I have just been frustrated with getting a stable output/display as we are so close to the final, for me even 915 resolution did not work
[09:06] <shirish> hence had to resort to this
[09:08] <shirish> ok bye now
[09:11] <anti_pop> how can i add adept-updater to autostart ? somehow i disabled this some weeks ago and did it my updates always via terminal
[09:11] <anti_pop> adept-notify..
[09:12] <DanaG> gnomevfs ssh seems broken to me.
[09:16] <johnnybuoy> can anyone unmount usb hdds here?
[09:16] <johnnybuoy> "eject" it?
[09:17] <johnnybuoy> cause this seems as a pretty serious bug to me
[09:37] <capiira> hmm hi i compiled my kernel and the deb file is 224mb big is this ok ?
[09:38] <dark_light> capiira, maybe your deb has the sources too?
[09:38] <capiira> hmm dunno
[09:38] <capiira> heh
[09:38] <dark_light> capiira, here two uncompressed kernel images plus modules is "only" 33mb
[09:38] <dark_light> (my /boot)
[09:38] <capiira> ahh ok
[09:39] <dark_light> capiira, it would help if you type dpkg --contents yourdeb.deb, i think
[09:40] <capiira> just did a sudo fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers
[09:40] <dark_light> you may even paste it in a pastebin so i may guess
[09:40] <dark_light> make-dpkg?
[09:40] <dark_light> hmmm
[09:40] <capiira> kpkg
[09:40] <dark_light> Hmmmmmmmmm
[09:41] <dark_light> ok, probably your deb has headers too
[09:41] <dark_light> i think you generated image and headers, and the headers may be huge
[09:41] <capiira> headers is extra package
[09:41] <dark_light> hmmmmm
[09:41] <capiira> moment
[09:42] <capiira> whats the paste bin url ?
[09:42] <dark_light> hmmm
[09:42] <dark_light> ok, i know http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org
[09:42] <dark_light> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org works too
[09:44] <capiira> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15005/
[09:44] <capiira> its my first kernel compilation
[09:44] <capiira> heh
[09:45] <dark_light> woooa
[09:45] <capiira> ?
[09:46] <capiira> too much stuff ?
[09:46] <dark_light> many not-so-useful drivers (you haven't 50 types of wireless card, have you?)
[09:46] <capiira> no lol
[09:46] <dark_light> you may remove some things
[09:46] <capiira> i took the .config from 2.6.20-14
[09:46] <dark_light> capiira, ubuntu default's kernel has a lot of modules and is still "small"
[09:46] <dark_light> Hmmm
[09:47] <capiira> the from from inside boot
[09:47] <capiira>  /boot
[09:47] <dark_light> there is a text-based ui configurer for kernel
[09:47] <dark_light> with menus and etc, for you deselect things you don't want
[09:47] <capiira> yeah then i did make menuconfig
[09:47] <dark_light> hmm
[09:48] <capiira> load alternate config  .config
[09:48] <dark_light> capiira, here dpkg --contents shows also the size of each file in package (in bytes)
[09:48] <capiira> that was the file from config-2.6.20-14-generic
[09:48] <capiira> sec is grabbed it over synaptics
[09:48] <dark_light> you may use this size to guess what is eating most size
[09:49] <dark_light> capiira, hmmm, i had never did that
[09:49] <dark_light> actually compiling the kernel was never useful to me (but it's surely fun to wait 1 day to compile just to have a kernel panic :P)
[09:50] <capiira> hehe i need to compile becuase my scanner just works if ny set the experimental feature USB_SUSPEND of 2.6.20 to OFF
[09:51] <dark_light> woo =o
[09:53] <dark_light> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/base/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic
[09:53] <dark_light> for i386 has only 23256.7kb
[09:53] <capiira> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15006/
[09:53] <dark_light> or, 22mb
[09:53] <dark_light> compressed
[09:54] <capiira> yeah
[09:55] <capiira> i compiled 3 hours or so
[09:55] <capiira> was wondering why it takes so long
[09:55] <capiira> hehe
[09:55] <dark_light> capiira, i think this will not result in extra load in your system, since linux loads only the modules it needs
[09:55] <dark_light> capiira, well, your system seems actually fast (on my old computer, a pentium 3 600mhz with 256mb of ram, it took more than 15 hours)
[09:56] <capiira> yeah but i need USB_SUSPEND disabled
[09:56] <capiira> ahh ok
[09:56] <capiira> hmmm can you see why its so big ?
[09:57] <capiira> i cant
[09:57] <capiira> the generic kernel includes everything too or not ?
[09:58] <dark_light> no
[09:58] <sonoftheclayr> what packages do i need to manually install the nvidia drivers?
[09:58] <dark_light> someothernick, ubuntu own installation didn't worked?
[09:58] <dark_light> sonoftheclayr
[09:59] <sonoftheclayr> dark_light: nope, i tried it dozens of times and kept getting api mismatch
[09:59] <dark_light> capiira, the biggest module has about 2mb of size. so i think your problem is the number of unecessary/too rare modules
[09:59] <capiira> yeah
[10:00] <capiira> then let me filter the kernel :)
[10:00] <capiira> just wonder why this happened because i took the config from a original one
[10:01] <capiira> do i need to tell make to use that config ?
[10:02] <dark_light> capiira, no, just go to menuconfig
[10:02] <capiira> ok
[10:02] <sonoftheclayr> packages to manually install the nvidia legacy driver?
[10:03] <dark_light> sonoftheclayr, I think the ubuntu assistent already tried to install this driver...
[10:03] <dark_light> i am unsure, but maybe you have to download the driver from nvidia's site
[10:03] <sonoftheclayr> dark_light: i have but it can't find a precompilied nvidia kernel and it can't download one and when it tries to build one it fails
[10:04] <dark_light> sonoftheclayr, why it fails? some error message? you may have to have a compiler, kernel headers, your soul, etc
[10:04] <dark_light> actually i own an ati card (radeon 9550), and the only hope i had to make it working was downloading from ati's site and then pray
[10:05] <dark_light> but now the driver the assistent installs just works
[10:05] <sonoftheclayr> i have build-essential installed and the kernel headers, i'm opening the log now
[10:05] <dark_light> i am happy with this :) but i am afraid i can't use compiz or beryl
[10:05] <dark_light> sonoftheclayr, ok, paste in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ..
[10:06] <RAOF> dark_light: You do know that radeon card should be supported by the "ati" drivers, and you'll get beryl & compiz working with no extra setup?
[10:06] <dark_light> RAOF, no
[10:06] <dark_light> RAOF, you mean open source driver already supports beryl?
[10:06] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:06] <dark_light> RAOF, that's nice, i will surely try
[10:06] <RAOF> Has done almost from the release of compiz.
[10:07] <RAOF> dark_light: If you do, remember that you can't get the free driver working while fglrx is *installed*.  You have to remove every trace of it first.
[10:07] <dark_light> RAOF, do you think open source driver can run opengl-intensive games well?
[10:07] <dark_light> Hmmmmm
[10:07] <RAOF> Pretty well, as far as I'm aware.
[10:07] <dark_light> RAOF, that's an entirely new concept for me :)
[10:08] <dark_light> i think i tried ati driver in past and got poor performance, but i am not sure
[10:08] <RAOF> Compiz spurred the 3D support for the r300 driver quite a bit, I think :)
[10:08] <dark_light> maybe i was just told that ati's own driver is better
[10:08] <dystopianray> my computer does not support sleep mode, but it can do standby and hibernate, KDE only has a button for hibernate, but not standby, how can I get a standby button?
[10:09] <RAOF> dystopianray: What do you think the difference between "sleep" and "standby" is?
[10:10] <dystopianray> RAOF: sleep and standby are acpi S3 and S1 sleep states
[10:10] <dark_light> RAOF, i am a bit afraid because since dapper i can't use my video card properly. it magically worked in dapper and then i updated X and never got opengl programs to be fast
[10:10] <dark_light> and in edgy it never worked for me
[10:11] <RAOF> dystopianray: So sleep is "S3" and standby is "S1"?  I thought standby (Suspend To Ram) was S3?  Also, I don't know.
[10:12] <GreySim> Hey. In here for the same thing I was earlier: using Feisty and LTSP, and sound doesn't work. I don't know enough about LTSP and Pulse Audio to figure out what's wrong on my own, but I'm not an idiot, having set up a PXE thick client environment using Ubuntu before; I just don't know this software at all and can't find docs... Anyone know what to look for for potential problems?
[10:12] <dystopianray> RAOF: S1 through S3 are all suspend to ram, but they differ in how devices are powered down
[10:13] <RAOF> You learn something new everyday.  In short, I don't know :)
[10:33] <sonoftheclayr> dark_light: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15008/
[10:35] <dark_light> sonoftheclayr, error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[10:35] <dark_light> i think this means you don't have the right kernel headers
[10:35] <dark_light> i am unsure, but check it
[10:36] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: No, that's because the kernel has moved on, and no longer includes that form of config.
[10:36] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: The ubuntu packages are patched to work correctly.
[10:37] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: well there's the problem, the ubuntu packages don't work, i get an api mismatch
[10:37] <RAOF> Remember: Every time someone installs the drivers from nvidia.com, a puppy dies.
[10:37] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: So, the solution is to undo what you did to mix up the ubuntu packages, not to kill a puppy :)
[10:38] <RAOF> So, what card do you have, what driver package do you have, etc?
[10:38] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i have purged all the packages releated to nvidia, purged the restricted modules reinstalled them all went from a generic to 386 image and still no luck
[10:38] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: geforce2 go i used nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:39] <RAOF> Ok, good start.
[10:39] <RAOF> The /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file does *NOT* have "nv" in the DISABLED_MODULES line?
[10:40] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: nope
[10:40] <RAOF> Good.
[10:40] <GreySim> Hmm. Just running the command 'pulseaudio' fixed my sound for me. Anyone know where that's *supposed* to be started, that I must've somehow accidentally removed it from?
[10:40] <RAOF> Now, you've got the linux-generic package installed?
[10:41] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i moved from the generic kernel to 386
[10:41] <RAOF> GreySim: You probably want to install the pulseaudio ESD compatibility package, and tell Gnome to use ESD.
[10:41] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: You should be running -generic, so lets go back.
[10:41] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: okay, back to generic
[10:42] <GreySim> RAOF: Thanks, I'll try that.
[10:42] <RAOF> GreySim: The package you're after is "pulseaudio-esound-compat", and then System->Preferences->Sound
[10:44] <GreySim> RAOF: And this'll work with LTSP and all? (Just making sure in case you missed what I said when I first came into the channel...)
[10:44] <RAOF> I'm not sure what LTSP stands for, so I'm not sure :)
[10:44] <RAOF> But I think that's some form of remote system setup, right?
[10:44] <GreySim> Yeah.
[10:45] <GreySim> Thin client. Linux Terminal Server Project.
[10:45] <RAOF> Well, I'm not sure how well it'll handle it out of the box, but I can easily transfer my banshee stream from my laptop to my home box, which is plugged into the stereo :)
[10:45] <RAOF> You may want to check out the awkwardly named "padevchooser" package
[10:46] <GreySim> Cool, thanks for the tips. First I'm gonna relog and make sure sound works at the start of a session without manual intervention though, before I go and screw it up again. :P
[10:47] <sonoftheclayr> okay, i'm back on generic
[10:47] <RAOF> Excellent.
[10:48] <RAOF> I don't suppose that the System->Administration->Restricted Manager has picked up your card, with a nice checkbox next to it to enable the restricted drivers?
[10:49] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i'm running kubuntu :)
[10:49] <RAOF> Well, that's your problem, then :P
[10:49] <RAOF> Oh, well.  Time for a manual apt-get of nvidia-glx-legacy.
[10:51] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: done, it's installed
[10:51] <RAOF> Good.
[10:51] <RAOF> Now, sudo nvidia-xconfig
[10:51] <RAOF> I hope that that's still there in the legacy drivers?
[10:52] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: nope, command not found, looks like i have to install that too
[10:53] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: done
[10:53] <RAOF> Well, then "sudo nvidia-xconfig".
[10:54] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: one step ahead of you :p
[10:54] <RAOF> Excellent.
[10:54] <RAOF> Now, it's probably time for a reboot, although it's not strictly necessary
[10:54] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: okay, i'll just stop X then
[10:55] <sonoftheclayr> X stopped
[10:55] <RAOF> You'll also need to start the linux-restricted-modules thingy
[10:55] <sonoftheclayr> yes???
[10:55] <RAOF> sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start
[10:56] <sonoftheclayr> waiting...waiting...done
[10:56] <RAOF> Now, starting X *should* work
[10:57] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: Any joy?
[11:01] <sonofthe1layr> RAOF: no luck, the screen went blank and i couldn't do anything
[11:02] <RAOF> And it still doesn't work after a restart?
[11:02] <RAOF> That sucks.
[11:02] <RAOF> Can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:02] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, hang on
[11:06] <sonoftheclayr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15014/
[11:08] <RAOF> Oh, that's using nv.
[11:08] <RAOF> That log doesn't have any problems :)
[11:08] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: that must be from when i booted up
[11:09] <VerTiGo> ok well can anyone help me with my DNS problem?
[11:09] <RAOF> Maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[11:09] <VerTiGo> the Programs affected by it are Firefox and Gaim
[11:10] <RAOF> Check to see if it's using nvidia first.
[11:10] <RAOF> Although your server will obviosly segfault should you run glxinfo :)
[11:11] <VerTiGo> UMmmmm I am having troubles in Firefox and Gaim
[11:12] <VerTiGo> When i go to www.google.com or anything else i get connecting to www.google.com but it will just hang there and not do anything else
[11:12] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: have you disabled ipv6?
[11:13] <VerTiGo> ah let me just do that
[11:13] <sonoftheclayr> great RAOF is gone...now who can help me?
[11:14] <VerTiGo> ummm just how do i disable ipv6, sorry i'm a bit of a noob
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> !ipv6
[11:14] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: ^^
[11:17] <zeroflag> every time X starts my screen goes black and I can't switch out of it or do anything.
[11:17] <zeroflag> any idea why?
[11:17] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: nvidia drivers?
[11:17] <zeroflag> yep
[11:17] <sonoftheclayr> i have the same problem, can you go to any of the consoles?
[11:17] <zeroflag> only with rescue boot.
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: yep, me too
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: the guy that was helping me just left
[11:18] <zeroflag> any idea why this is happening?
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: no, sorry
[11:18] <zeroflag> did you upgrad your kernel module?
[11:19] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: no
[11:19] <sonoftheclayr> did it ever work for you?
[11:19] <zeroflag> hmmm, before that it complained about a version missmatch...
[11:20] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: yeah something about the nvidia module not matching the x module?
[11:21] <zeroflag> right.
[11:21] <zeroflag> how did you fix it?
[11:21] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: i just opened up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changed nvidia to nv, no nvidia driver for me :'(
[11:21] <VerTiGo> I still got the same problem
[11:22] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: you reboot?
[11:22] <VerTiGo> yes
[11:22] <VerTiGo> I think its a DNS problem
[11:22] <VerTiGo> Because i can connect to a Site Via IP
[11:22] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: i had the same problem, but it was ipv6 and not dns
[11:23] <VerTiGo> hmmmm, well ipv6 done nothin but thanks for the suggestion, alot of people say that DNS was their problem
[11:24] <VerTiGo> But i was in a rush so i didnt quite figure out how to fix it
[11:24] <VerTiGo> I'll try it again
[11:24] <VerTiGo> oh i am on a Router
[11:24] <VerTiGo> a DLINK DSL-G604T
[11:24] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: DHCP?
[11:26] <zeroflag> darn, now I messed up my display configuration...
[11:26] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:26] <VerTiGo> yes DHCP
[11:27] <zeroflag> sonoftheclayr: thanks.
[11:27] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: np
[11:27] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: i'm not to sure
[11:28] <VerTiGo> ok
[11:29] <firenx__> is it worth updating to feisty yet or should i wait till final is out?
[11:29] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Router_DNS_Problems
[11:30] <VerTiGo> actually ty sonoftheclayr it did work
[11:30] <VerTiGo> forgot the last step
[11:30] <VerTiGo> TY
[11:30] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: np
[11:30] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: the final release is 8 days away, you can upgrade now or then but either way you won't have to wait long
[11:31] <firenx__> i guess it cant hurt to run it now.. any final updates will be updated in a week anyways eh
[11:31] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: it's a lot faster then edgy
[11:32] <firenx__> sweet
[11:32] <firenx__> this old xp 1800 could use a boost in speed anyways heh
[11:32] <firenx__> what is the upgrade command again?
[11:32] <firenx__> sudo update-manager -d ?
[11:37] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[11:41] <Toma-> how long till RC1?
[11:42] <sonoftheclayr> Toma-: couple of days, i think friday
[11:42] <Toma-> rad. :)
[11:45] <ikonia> how is the beta looking. I've been following the bug reports and seen a fair ammount of bugs closed
[11:46] <zeroflag> I have installed the latest nvidia kernel module via m-a. how do I get my kernel to use it?
[11:46] <zeroflag> X still complains about a version missmatch.
[11:46] <ikonia> why did you install the latest drivers rather than the packaged ones ?
[11:46] <zeroflag> because the packaged ones didn't work.
[11:47] <ikonia> didn't they?
[11:47] <ikonia> what was the problem
[11:47] <firenx__> what card?
[11:47] <zeroflag> package is 1.0-7184, current is 1.0-9755.
[11:47] <ikonia> so ?
[11:47] <zeroflag> 8800 GTS
[11:47] <VerTiGo> Ok i have another problem i still cant use Gaim nor get Updates
[11:47] <ikonia> what was the problem
[11:47] <ikonia> that should work with the 8800
[11:47] <firenx__> 9755 supports 8800
[11:48] <zeroflag> as soon as I installed the packages X refused to start.
[11:48] <firenx__> 7184 is for oooold nvidia cards
[11:48] <zeroflag> same error as now, version missmatch.
[11:48] <zeroflag> yes, but the kernel module STILL is 7184.
[11:48] <zeroflag> and I have to upgrade that.
[11:48] <firenx__> reinstall linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[11:48] <zeroflag> I built the proper version with m-a but how do I get my kernel to use it?
[11:49] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: have you changed the nv in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to nvidia?
[11:50] <zeroflag> firenx__: already latest version.
[11:50] <VerTiGo> I can surf the web :D but i can use Gaim Instant messenger nor get Updates
[11:50] <zeroflag> sonoftheclayr: did that with the recofnigure you mentioned.
[11:50] <firenx__> zeroflag, i had to reinstall it then reinstall the nvidia driver to get x to work
[11:52] <zeroflag> firenx__: I just removed and installed it, still the same.
[11:52] <ikonia> I find it odd that fesity has not made a significant update to the nvidia package
[11:53] <firenx__> when upgrading should i nuke all my gnome config th
[11:53] <firenx__> -th
[12:10] <zeroflag> someone please tell me how to update the nvidia kernel module before I go nuts!
[12:14] <CarinArr> pretty hefty chunk of updates over night
[12:22] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i think Xorg.0.log.old is using the nv driver but i pastebinned it anyway:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15015/
[12:23] <magic_ninja> is there a way to change my current ip address
[12:23] <magic_ninja> its static cable connection
[12:26] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: yes, but if you are given one static ip and you use another one that is not assigned to you, there is no promises about it working, so it is adviced against
[12:27] <magic_ninja> Lynoure: ty, i thought so, pretty sure my isp assigns static addresses, but it uses dhcp, so it might work
[12:27] <magic_ninja> if i reset my modem
[12:28] <magic_ninja> ima try that
[12:29] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: why do you want to change it anyway? If e.g. because you are harrassed based on your ip, contact your ISP and they are bound to help you
[12:32] <magic_ninja> no
[12:32] <magic_ninja> because i got realmed down on d2
[12:32] <magic_ninja> and i'm not using any hacks, especially since none of them work on linux
[12:32] <magic_ninja> thought about trying wine as opposed to cedega
[12:33] <capiira> hi, anyone know if i still need to tweak kernel options if i use the most recent kernel config with linux-source-2.6.20 to build my own ? im asking because my kernel always become 230mb large
[12:34] <capiira> i compiled it using make-kpkg
[12:34] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: if you take someone elses ip, you ISP might have your hide.
[12:34] <magic_ninja> na
[12:34] <magic_ninja> i just resetted the cable modem
[12:34] <magic_ninja> it worked
[12:34] <magic_ninja> released all connections and renewed
[12:35] <Lynoure> so you had a dynamic ip after all...
[12:35] <magic_ninja> yea
[12:35] <magic_ninja> cox was static b4
[12:35] <magic_ninja> now they use dynamic i guess
[12:35] <magic_ninja> figured since they use dhcp they might do static
[12:42] <zeroflag> how can I find out whether my X is running on nvidia or nv?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: glxinfo | grep direct
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: does it say yes
[12:43] <zeroflag> yep, it does. :>
[12:43] <zeroflag> thanks.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: than nvidia is being used
[12:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:43] <zeroflag> now I just need to find out how to start beryl. :] 
[12:44] <CarinArr> beryl-manager
[12:45] <zeroflag> and now all my windows are gone...
[12:47] <holle> hey
[12:47] <CarinArr> zeroflag: have you enabled ARGBGLXVisuals
[12:48] <zeroflag> CarinArr: no idea.
[12:48] <steven___> hi, i've installed the fglrx drivers and my ubuntu (feisty) reports that i'm using restricted drivers but if i type fglrxinfo i get "XFree86-DRI" missing on display 0:0 and the renderer is "mesa"...
[12:48] <CarinArr> zeroflag: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[12:48] <holle> i have problems using the newest kernel on my feisty system. i upgraded from edgy eft. if i am using the 2.6.17-generic kernel and initrd everthing is fine, if i use newer kernels the rootfs won't mount...... i am using a macbook/serial ata hdd
[12:52] <steven___> any help?
[12:52] <ajmorris_> can someone try and help me with my wireless please?
[12:54] <CarinArr> steven___: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf what does it say next to driver in your graphics device section?
[12:54] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: what's the problem
[12:56] <ajmorris_> in my windows box, when i plug it in it doesn't pick it up, and then when i remove it, it picks it up but of course can't install as it was removed. In my feisty, i put it in the power and link buttons turn on but after a second they turn off and the card doesn't work
[12:56] <steven___> Driver      "fglrx"
[12:57] <steven___> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15023/
[12:58] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: mmm.. what wireless card?
[12:58] <ajmorris_> brb
[12:59] <CarinArr> steven___: can't be of much help i'm afraid, don't use ati cards
[12:59] <sl-c3200> hi, i'm not very experienced with linux. yesterday i've installed ubuntu (feisty) and i tried to install truecrypt (tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338511&highlight=truecrypt+feisty) but i get this error: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9115/
[12:59] <ajmorris_> sorry, it is WPC11 Linksys, also this started happening after using it in windows vista
[01:00] <sl-c3200> whats can i do?
[01:01] <stivani> hey, I get an error message while upgrading  powermanagement-interface
[01:01] <steven___> ok :) tnx for your time
[01:01] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: do you have the kernel headers package installed?
[01:01] <stivani> see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15024/
[01:01] <stivani> somebody an idea what's wrong?
[01:02] <ajmorris_> CarinArr, any ideas, is this fixable?
[01:02] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: god bless vista.. uhm..
[01:02] <sl-c3200> i dont know
[01:02] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: if you do iwconfig, does your card show up there
[01:03] <ajmorris_> nope
[01:03] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: is it usb or pci?
[01:03] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: check in your package manager
[01:03] <ajmorris_> pci, the power light is off so nothing picks it up :(
[01:03] <ajmorris_> is it broken
[01:03] <CarinArr> aaah
[01:03] <CarinArr> uhm
[01:03] <ajmorris_> because of vista?
[01:03] <sl-c3200> k thx
[01:03] <CarinArr> no idea.. if there is no power to it i can't see it being ubuntu specific
[01:04] <CarinArr> but are you 100% sure it is a power indicator and not something else
[01:04] <ajmorris_> yeah well it appears in windows ( i have tried vista, XP, and 2000) and then only tries to install when removed....
[01:04] <ajmorris_> yes it has power written next to it
[01:05] <ajmorris_> and link is under it
[01:05] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: it could be the light doesn't quite indicate what you'd expect.. has it worked in linux before?
[01:05] <ajmorris_> yes
[01:05] <Nuke13> well it is broken then =/
[01:06] <ajmorris_> it worked just when i re-installed (like 5 days ago) i rebooted with the card in then it didn't work
[01:06] <sl-c3200> it seems that they are on my machine ("Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64 - This package provides kernel header files for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64")
[01:06] <Nuke13> what card is it?
[01:06] <ajmorris_> Linksys WPC11
[01:06] <CarinArr> stivani: might be worth looking if it's a known bug?
[01:07] <ajmorris_> does ifstate update automatically?
[01:08] <stivani> CarinArr: I have checked if it is a know bug, maybe I should fill in a bug report then
[01:08] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: have you checked readme files etc whether there're dependencies you haven't installed?
[01:10] <sl-c3200> not yet. ill do that right now
[01:13] <sl-c3200> the readme of truecrypt only says that im supposed to run the build.sh
[01:14] <sl-c3200> is there any shortcut for starting the terminal?
[01:16] <sl-c3200> yey i got beryl running
[01:18] <magic_ninja> it seems as if on fiesty i run faster :-)
[01:19] <magic_ninja> after some major problems with my graphics card, i got it working
[01:20] <jonah1980> hi guys, got some major probs with graphics card at the moment, it's fine with nvidia website driver, but i want to use the new proprietary driver in ubuntu repositories, this doesnt seem to work and the new restricted manager claims my hardware doesnt need any restricted drivers...
[01:20] <jonah1980> so i'm stuck using the NV option in xorg.conf
[01:20] <jonah1980> but as i use twinview normally this isn't very good cos i'm back to one screen and not two
[01:20] <jonah1980> plus resolution is a bit of a mess
[01:21] <user_> what is the username and password for 7.04 livecd?
[01:22] <SlimeyPete> there isn't one
[01:22] <CarinArr> jonah1980: and the non-restricted drivers don't work?
[01:23] <CarinArr> user_: you shouldn't need username/password
[01:23] <CarinArr> itlogs you in automatically
[01:23] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah they do work the nv option is ok in xorg.conf, but the resolution doesnt look quite right and i can't use my two monitor setup, normally nvidia drivers let you use twinview
[01:24] <CarinArr> you shouldn't be using nv in xorg.conf if you want to use the nvidia driver
[01:24] <CarinArr> it should say nvidia
[01:24] <CarinArr> regardless of whether you're using repository drivers or the ones straight from the nvidia website
[01:26] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well if i put nvidia in xorg.conf, i get that wierd blue screen with a failed message and that thing about do you want to view output or whatever
[01:26] <jonah1980> CarinArr, so no, it's not working for me
[01:27] <CarinArr> yeah if you could !pastebin the Xorg.o.log that'd be good
[01:27] <CarinArr> er .0.log even
[01:27] <CarinArr> ;)
[01:29] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok cool i'll try find it
[01:29] <CarinArr> jonah1980: it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, thanks
[01:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15028/
[01:33] <CarinArr> jonah1980: looks like the driver doesn't support the gpu in your machine
[01:34] <jonah1980> CarinArr, what does this mean? will it get fixed or do i have unsupported hardware now?
[01:35] <CarinArr> jonah1980: what card do you have?
[01:36] <jonah1980> CarinArr, sorry not sure, but it's always been fine before feisty... is there a way i can check it?
[01:36] <CarinArr> lspci | grep -i nvidia
[01:39] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15032/
[01:41] <CarinArr> seems to new a card to be legacy
[01:42] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah my computer is only a year old if that...
[01:42] <CarinArr> can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg/conf as well
[01:42] <CarinArr> er /etc/X11/xorg.conf even
[01:42] <dissonans_> hi gang
[01:42] <CarinArr> out of interest.. did you uninstall the driver from nvidia before you installed the packaged driver in the repository?
[01:43] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15033/
[01:43] <dissonans_> it seems that kernel 2.6.20-14 kills my sound, anyone else have this problem?
[01:43] <Do``> 'lo
[01:43] <dissonans_> I'm using an Asus Lamborghini (vx2) laptop btw
[01:43] <CarinArr> dissonans_: my sound doesn't work fullstop unless i disable acpi;)
[01:43] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah i downloaded the nvidia driver again and used the uninstall script, option to remove it first
[01:44] <CarinArr> oh yeah, you were asking about that the other day weren't you
[01:44] <CarinArr> i'd try asking on the forums, and possibly filing a bug report
[01:44] <Do``> is there a guide somewhere that could help me create a keyboard shortcut to the gnome system monitor? i'd like to start on ctrl+alt+del
[01:44] <CarinArr> or at least check the bugs list and see if anyone else has the same problem
[01:44] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah - now i'm real worried that i might have to move to another distro, i've been stuck this way for a week and hasn't been any updates that's fixed it etc
[01:45] <CarinArr> jonah1980: meanwhile, why are you not using the drivers from nvidia?
[01:45] <CarinArr> jonah1980: if they don't know about the problem, there's unlikely to be fixes..
[01:46] <jonah1980> CarinArr, i figured it's best to just wait it out abit because i thought there would be a fix soon. also everytime they make a kernel change or update it seems that i have to reinstall the nvidia driver again before i was doing it quite often so i thought repo one would be better
[01:47] <jonah1980> CarinArr, could you please help me get the correct info to the right bug report or whatever so they're aware of what's wrong?
[01:48] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:48] <CarinArr> jonah1980: i had to reinstall the nvidia driver the first few kernel updates on feisty beta, but haven't the lst few times
[01:48] <CarinArr> using the one from nvidia's website
[01:49] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15034/
[01:49] <jonah1980> CarinArr, should i try putting xorg.conf to nvidia again and try restarting gdm?
[01:50] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:50] <jonah1980> CarinArr, could part of the problem be that i'm amd64?
[01:51] <CarinArr> jonah1980: are you using 64 bit ubuntu or 32?
[01:51] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah 64
[01:51] <CarinArr> i wouldn't think that'd be the problem
[01:51] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok did the enable thing, should i try restart the gdm?
[01:52] <CarinArr> yep
[01:52] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok see you soon
[01:52] <dissonans_> I just want my sound back :|
[01:53] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok i restarted gdm but looks the same, i don't think it's using the nvidia option in xorg even though i did the enable thing you told me to try
[01:54] <dissonans_> how do I find out which version of the nvidia module is installed for a particular kernel?
[01:54] <CarinArr> jonah1980: okay, double check that you have Load "glx" and Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[01:54] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah checked xorg and it still says nv, should i try it manually again
[01:54] <CarinArr> please
[01:54] <CarinArr> :)
[01:55] <bofh80> whoot - nvidia drivers 9631 available, nice work with glx-new , nice simple names now, great work
[01:55] <CarinArr> dissonans_: nvidia-settings should tell you
[01:57] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah it didnt work again and had to use nano to switch back to nv
[01:57] <dissonans_> I was thinking for some installed kernel, I want to go back to the previous kernel but there is a mismatch between the kernel module and the X module
[01:57] <CarinArr> jonah1980: have you tried the new drivers?
[01:57] <ConstyXIV> noone has a working democracyplayer in feisty by chance?
[01:57] <CarinArr> jonah1980: nvidia-glx-new
[01:57] <jonah1980> CarinArr, no i didn't know there where any! how do i do this?
[01:58] <CarinArr> jonah1980: install nvidia-glx, install nvidia-glx-new i would assume
[01:58] <jonah1980> CarinArr, i can do this in synaptic right?
[01:58] <CarinArr> yeah
[01:59] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you might want to "purge" rather than just uninstall nvidia-glx
[01:59] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok how do i purge this?
[02:00] <CarinArr> jonah1980: i think it's "completely remove" or something in synaptic
[02:01] <jonah1980> CarinArr, do i need the dev package or kernel source?
[02:02] <dissonans_> jonah1980: you shouldn't
[02:02] <dissonans_> that's in case you want to compile something against it
[02:02] <jonah1980> ok cool
[02:03] <jonah1980> well it's installing now, do i need to do anything or do i just change xorg to nvidia again?
[02:03] <jonah1980> xorg.conf i mean
[02:03] <CarinArr> i don't think it removes nvidia, but you can double check it
[02:04] <squire> decisions decisions.. beryl or compiz, xgl or aiglx?
[02:09] <squire> any recommendations?
[02:09] <CarinArr> squire: isn't aiglx more likely to work for old cards where xgl won't work properly
[02:09] <CarinArr> at least that's norally why i hear people use it
[02:09] <squire> no eye deer
[02:10] <squire> i think someone mentioned aiglx was preferable but not why
[02:10] <CarinArr> regarding the beryl vx compiz i haven't a clue.. i hear different stuff about it all the time, and the only thing i've sort of seen established is if you want to fiddle about with settings and stuff go with beryl
[02:11] <CarinArr> i use beryl and xgl and it works very nicely for me
[02:11] <squire> but compiz is [sort of]  officially sancioned
[02:11] <squire> sanctioned
[02:12] <squire> i think i'll try beryl nonetheless
[02:12] <CarinArr> well regarding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX, it's accelerated indirect rendering.. so i would assume if you can get xgl to work you should go xgl
[02:12] <squire> i do like fiddling [fnarrr] 
[02:12] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:12] <CarinArr> what i meant was rather that you have more options
[02:12] <CarinArr> not that you HAVE to fiddle
[02:13] <CarinArr> jonah1980: is it working at all?
[02:14] <CarinArr> hm;)
[02:14] <squire> i think i'll try beryl+xgl then
[02:15] <squire> what gfx card u have?
[02:15] <dissonans_> any idea whether the sound borkage is being worked on?
[02:15] <dissonans_> in the current kernel revision that is
[02:16] <Do``> is there a guide somewhere that could help me create a keyboard shortcut to the gnome system monitor? i'd like to start on ctrl+alt+del
[02:16] <squire> woooh: 88 updates today
[02:17] <CarinArr> squire: geforce 7600 go
[02:18] <CarinArr> and yeah, plenty of updates;) think i had 115
[02:18] <squire> do'': http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42404
[02:19] <squire> carinarr: 7600 seems to be v popular
[02:20] <squire> is the auto-update 24hrs from last update - whether manual or auto?
[02:21] <Do``> squire:  thanks
[02:21] <squire> yw :)
[02:22] <borg_> uhm
[02:22] <CarinArr> squire: seems like it, as my update notifier has changed time from when i first installed it
[02:22] <borg_> my gnome-terminal doesnt start any more
[02:22] <borg_> cdolaf@pc:~$ gnome-terminal
[02:22] <borg_> The program 'gnome-terminal' received an X Window System error.
[02:22] <borg_> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[02:22] <borg_> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[02:22] <firenx__> use aterm :)
[02:22] <borg_> onyone an idea?!
[02:22] <borg_> :D
[02:22] <borg_> i do
[02:22] <borg_> atm
[02:22] <borg_> ;)
[02:22] <firenx__> heh
[02:23] <firenx__> t-5 mins till feisty
[02:24] <CarinArr> borg_: have you tried moving the .gconf/apps/gnome-terminal folder temporarily and see if it works
[02:24] <firenx__> what does it do if you run it from aterm?
[02:24] <chijin> i saw yesterday that adept wants to downgrade the nvidia driver.. what's the reason behind this?
[02:24] <squire> carinarr: i think it's nearer ur total in 24 hrs then cos i did a manual update last night
[02:24] <borg_> CarinArr: yes
[02:25] <borg_> CarinArr: same response
[02:25] <CarinArr> chijin: do'nt know.. but they seem to have changed the structure of the nvidia drivers a bit.. there's nvidia-glx-new now as well as the normal glx and legacy
[02:26] <borg_> perhaps it is a problem with xinerama
[02:26] <hidan> hey guys, ever had this problem before? X crashes and then the next time you try to login into Ubuntu, you are stuck at the login screen. Keyboard don't work.
[02:26] <borg_> i think i didnt have the problem before i used xinerama
[02:26] <borg_> mmh
[02:27] <jonah1980> CarinArr, hi i'm back on the other monitor with more problems
[02:27] <limetang> I've installed XGL and Beryl and my two screens have merged into one big one (I use bigdesktop). How can i revert to the normal bigdesktop behaviour (is there a setting I've forgotten to change)?
[02:27] <jonah1980> CarinArr, the nvidia-glx-new driver works
[02:28] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, only for some reason i'm on the other monitor, it won't let me install nvidia-settings and also i've got no close boxes or title bars to move windows
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yep big big buts
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, I don't like big buts and i cannot lie
[02:29] <borg_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/+bug/58232
[02:29] <squire> is JLo available on feisty? :)
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 58232 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "gnome-terminal does not start when using xinerama and nvidia" [High,Confirmed] 
[02:29] <borg_> i am not alone :)
[02:30] <CarinArr> jonah1980: ouch..
[02:30] <hidan> big buts lol
[02:31] <CarinArr> jonah1980: when you say won't let you install nvidia-settings.. doesn't nvidia-settings come withthe package?
[02:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well it's in synaptic but it says it can't install cos it's trying overwrite something already there or something. and when i try to run it from menu it just says it's not found...
[02:32] <gnomefreak> squire: is jlo the name of the package?
[02:32] <jonah1980> CarinArr, plus now i can't pastebin you stuff or anything cos my windows are in way i cna't move them
[02:32] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: alt+tab?
[02:33] <jonah1980> gnomefreak, alt tab doesnt work for me anymore
[02:33] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[02:34] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try sudo dpkg -C in terminal
[02:34] <jonah1980> CarinArr, it says trying to overwrite /usr/bin/nvidia-settings, which is also in package nvidia-glx-new ....     dpkg subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe)
[02:34] <CarinArr> what package does it say is trying to overwrite it?
[02:34] <squire> gnomefreak: she makes a great package ..heh
[02:35] <jonah1980> nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:36] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: can you give the /var/cache path with that package as it is in error?
[02:37] <jonah1980> var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:37] <prakash007> wtf/ when they gonna release fiesty
[02:38] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: ok not a good idea but you can sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb   but keep in mind this is not good practice and is dangerous
[02:38] <CarinArr> uhm prakash007 look at topic
[02:38] <gnomefreak> prakash007: in a week or so
[02:38] <prakash007> thanks
[02:39] <gnomefreak> prakash007: said release date is the 19th but please dont expect it on the 19th
[02:39] <prakash007> wtf?
[02:39] <jonah1980> gnomefreak, it says no such file or directory when i put that
[02:39] <gnomefreak> a day or 2 on either side
[02:39] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: remove nvidia-settings
[02:39] <prakash007> o i c
[02:39] <prakash007> np
[02:39] <gnomefreak> or package name
[02:40] <gnomefreak> prakash007: due to everyone being in a different time zone and some a day or so on either end. oh and its alot of work to release it
[02:40] <Mena> !kfontinst
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfontinst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <Mena> What is this (!kfontinst) ?
[02:41] <prakash007> well i suppose fiesty gonna be bringing revolution
[02:41] <billy> !find kfontinst feisty
[02:41] <zeroflag> how hard is it to set up xen in feisty?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> any release not just feistys
[02:41] <ubotu> File kfontinst found in kcontrol, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[02:42] <squire> feisty is certainly a revelation to me
[02:42] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: never tried but i hear its not too hard
[02:42] <squire> i'm totally sold on it
[02:42] <zeroflag> gnomefreak, any tutorial/howto?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> !xen
[02:42] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[02:42] <zeroflag> afaik I need to recompile the kernel - again. >_<
[02:42] <gnomefreak> i dont think you do
[02:42] <gnomefreak> there is a xen kernel
[02:43] <zeroflag> that'd be good.
[02:43] <zeroflag> but first, I need to write a proper IRC client.
[02:43] <gnomefreak> write hell use irssi ;)
[02:43] <zeroflag> pah. :P
[02:43] <zeroflag> I still don't get it why everyone uses irssi.
[02:43] <chijin> irssi rules
[02:44] <zeroflag> last I tried it was just too annoying to do everything with the keyboard and it just didn't look like a proper high level tool...
[02:44] <chijin> it's too annoying to use a mouse :-P
[02:44] <zeroflag> if I want low level, I connect the socket directly. >_<
[02:45] <zeroflag> and this lostIRC is too primitive as well...
[02:45] <zeroflag> I could probably do better within a few hours.
[02:45] <gnomefreak> i used to like lostirc until i found out how to use irssi :)
[02:45] <zeroflag> UARGHS.
[02:45] <zeroflag> monodevelop.
[02:46] <zeroflag> *shudder*
[02:46] <zeroflag> there's VB.
[02:46] <zeroflag> I think something's wrong here.
[02:46] <ed___> using kubuntu, when right clicking on a systray app icon in Kicker I get the screen switching to black and back several times and the menu item selection behaviour becomes very very slow, the kicker panel is set to auto-hide after 2 seconds and when the panel is not set to auto-hide it all works fine - any ideas?
[02:46] <zeroflag> when I switch to monodevelop it takes about half a second before it shows.
[02:46] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:47] <CarinArr> but yeah.. you have to know how to use it or it seems crap
[02:49] <zeroflag> I just don't like the idea of having a opengl and graphics card accelerated desktop manager with 1680x1050 pixel resolution and 20000 different theme packages... just to use a shell. >_<
[02:49] <zeroflag> like "hey, I bought a ferrari!" "cool, for race days?" "no, for my granma"
[02:50] <CarinArr> i have better things to squeeze my hardware with than irc
[02:50] <zeroflag> right, wine.
[02:50] <zeroflag> why is there no wine package?
[02:50] <CarinArr> there is..
[02:51] <lupine_85> but not in amd64 ;)
[02:51] <zeroflag> great. >_<
[02:51] <zeroflag> can I use x86 wine on x64 linux?
[02:51] <lupine_85> get a 32 bit chroot going and use it inside that
[02:51] <zeroflag> CHROOT?!?
[02:51] <zeroflag> ffs!
[02:52] <lupine_85> lol
[02:52] <zeroflag> I am using one of the most powerful operating systems on this planet! I WILL NOT CHROOT JUST TO GET 32BIT!
[02:52] <CarinArr> to be fair.. "wine ffs"
[02:52] <zeroflag> -.-
[02:52] <lupine_85> suit yourself
[02:52] <zeroflag> this is annoying.
[02:52] <CarinArr> if you're using one of the most powerful operating systems on the planet, why are you bothering with wine
[02:52] <zeroflag> even windows xp64 works better than that.
[02:52] <void^> windows applications are 32bit.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: wine doesnt work in 64 bit.  you're welcome to try and fix it
[02:53] <ed___> void: most apps are 32bit
[02:53] <CarinArr> he might fix it after he's written his rule them all irc client where you don't have to use the keyboard
[02:53] <zeroflag> Hobbsee, last time I found something about the issues it was because gcc uses different calling conventions in 32 and 64 bit... right! I will fix the OS!
[02:54] <lupine_85> hahahaha, oh wow
[02:54] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: good.  go fix it then.
[02:54] <zeroflag> I should just get singularity and use that as my main OS...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> go ahead.
[02:54] <lupine_85> don't forget to redefine the C spec so that all applications use the same size for pointers regardless of whether they're 32 or 64 bits...
[02:54] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[02:55] <Hobbsee> woo, another female :)
[02:55] <ShackJack> Mmmm... popcorn......
[02:55] <zeroflag> pro: it's built by the microsoft research department (the only people in that company that don't think with their wallet), con: it's proof-of-concept-alpha and not supported and not even open source. -.-
[02:55] <CarinArr> heh
[02:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, back again, this time tried the nvidia website driver which is working but i don't have any titlebars on my windows, can anyone please help me get them back...
[02:56] <CarinArr> jonah1980: are you using beryl by any chance?
[02:56] <zeroflag> jonah1980, using beryl?
[02:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well i wasn't ! hehe i shouldnt be
[02:57] <squire> CarinArr: lol
[02:57] <CarinArr> can't think how else that'd be graphics driver related
[02:57] <zeroflag> if so, start beryl-manager and enable gnome/kde as your window manager.
[02:58] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you might want to try adding the xargb thing back to your xorg.conf
[02:58] <CarinArr> if it's gone
[02:58] <CarinArr> and check your default depth is 24
[02:58] <jonah1980> ah this is a nightmare
[02:59] <zeroflag> hmmm, monodevelop channel is on irc.gnome?
[02:59] <jonah1980> ok so i'm not running beryl, it says not installed if i try run beryl manager
[02:59] <CarinArr> jonah1980: that's fine, can you check what default depth your monitor is set to in xorg.conf?
[03:00] <jonah1980> CarinArr, 24 default colour depth
[03:00] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok where do i put that other thing you said?
[03:01] <CarinArr>     Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[03:01] <CarinArr> under screen
[03:03] <jonah1980> CarinArr, no it didn't work either
[03:03] <CarinArr> check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if you have any lines starting with WW or EE
[03:03] <jonah1980> CarinArr, if i back up my home dir maybe i could reinstall clean, but would my emails etc all be in evolution if i did this and put home dir back in after?
[03:04] <CarinArr> jonah1980: no idea about evolution, i have all my emailson a remote server
[03:04] <CarinArr> if you DO reinstall, you might want to add a separate partition for /home .. it's very handy whenever you need to reinstall
[03:04] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:05] <SlimeyPete> Evolution keeps its mail in ~/.evolution/mail
[03:05] <SlimeyPete> so as long as you make sure to back up all the hidden folders as well as regular ones you should be OK
[03:06] <Do``> various softwares, like opera or mplayer show that clicking the middle click button on my mouse and clicking the back button is the same thing and right click and forward click looks to have the same effect too, where could be the problem?
[03:07] <Do``> its a logitech mx510 5button mouse
[03:07] <jonah1980> SlimeyPete, so does this mean i can't just back up home? i'll lose everything?
[03:07] <CarinArr> i'd guess the problem is in the 5 buttoned mouse not being configured correctly
[03:07] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, how do i install mp3, wma, and such codecs so i can play my music ?
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> jonah1980: ~ *is* home, so what I'm saying is that as long as you back up *everything* (including hidden folders, which start with a .), you'll probably be OK
[03:08] <jonah1980> SlimeyPete, ok cool thanks
[03:08] <Do``> CarinArr: yes, that sounds about right, where could i tweak the settings?
[03:08] <SlimeyPete> no guarantees, though - I've never tried it
[03:08] <TheSilentW> also, can anyone point me to a good music player, i used to use winamp, so, a similar one would rock
[03:08] <Do``> TheSilentW: try xmms
[03:08] <CarinArr> Do``: will be in your xorg.conf i'm sure
[03:08] <Do``> its the first result in google for 'xmms'
[03:08] <TheSilentW> ok, thx, will it install codecs ?
[03:09] <CarinArr> Do``: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374 that's talkinga bout firefox but it might be helpful nonetheless
[03:09] <Do``> TheSilentW: the site has every detail you need, but iirc most codecs are in it already
[03:09] <billy> Lots of upgrades this morning.
[03:09] <TheSilentW> ok, thx for the help
[03:09] <Do``> CarinArr: i'm kinda new to ubuntu so i wouldnt dare digging into config files ~ i'll check that link of yours, thank you
[03:10] <CarinArr> Do``: you'll probably have to dig in your config files not matter what you do.. as long as you back them up you should be okay
[03:10] <Do``> i was wondering if there is a workaround, like an official driver for this mouse ;p
[03:11] <shirish> CarinArr: Are not both keyboard & mouse settings set in xorg.conf?
[03:11] <Do``> which installed would fix the xorg whatever
[03:12] <CarinArr> shirish: yeah i think so..
[03:12] <CarinArr> which is why that firefox link should work regardless of what browser he's using;)
[03:13] <shirish> CarinArr: should not that have its own independent place, rather than being in xorg.conf which is for the display settings?
[03:13] <shirish> CarinArr: I am sure this question would have been asked long time back
[03:13] <CarinArr> uhm
[03:13] <CarinArr> xorg.conf isn't just for display settings
[03:14] <CarinArr> it's where touchpad/mouse/wacom etc settings go as well
[03:14] <Do``> now just 1 more tihng
[03:14] <shirish> CarinArr: hmm.... that seems like a bad place to keep them
[03:14] <Do``> if i edit that file
[03:14] <CarinArr> why..
[03:14] <CarinArr> it's to do with your x server setup
[03:14] <Do``> will an update tomorrow morning screw it up again?
[03:15] <CarinArr> Do``: the updates don't normally touch the xorg.conf file as far as i'm aware
[03:15] <CarinArr> if config files are goign to be changed you normally get a warning
[03:15] <shirish> CarinArr: for it is a very important file, and mucking that up, can render ones display too well, personal experience
[03:15] <Do``> so if this like my custom splash screen that gets reset every time a kernel change arrives..
[03:15] <shirish> CarinArr: that is sure
[03:16] <CarinArr> shirish: i'm not saying he should edit any display settings, i'm talking about mouse settings
[03:16] <shirish> CarinArr: any tips as to what I should set my keyboard too, it is supposedly set as us international but it does not respond to punctuation marks like "" . etc. It is a ps/2 keyboard
[03:16] <CarinArr> and i told him to back it up
[03:16] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:17] <shirish> CarinArr: that was understood, I am always apprehensive of changing even a slight change in xorg.conf
[03:17] <CarinArr> as long as you don't change the wrong things there's nothing "magical" about xorg.conf
[03:18] <CarinArr> it's just a configuration file, but it helps if you make sure you back it up
[03:18] <TheSilentW> how is it possible to hide an app from the bottom bar and show it only as small icon near clock ?
[03:18] <k_osh> CarinArr: as opposed to sendmail.cf which is quite a lot about black magic... ;-)
[03:18] <shirish> CarinArr: ok can u help me where or what should I change about xorg.conf so that it shows my keyboard correctly, and there is nothing wrong in the keyboard as it performs excellently in xp
[03:19] <k_osh> shirish: look for keyword XkbLayout in xorg.conf
[03:19] <CarinArr> i don't really know what keyboard you have so i can't really say
[03:20] <shirish> CarinArr: oh that one is easy, just a moment please
[03:23] <shirish> CarinArr: k_osh: its this one http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/IN/EN,CRID=2485,CONTENTID=9534
[03:24] <shirish> k_osh: CarinArr: I see the XkbLayout in xorg.conf
[03:25] <shirish> k_osh: CarinArr: although alternatively I have also pasted the xorg.conf at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15046/ as to where am I going wrong?
[03:25] <CarinArr> what is the keyboard layut you're using though? us?
[03:25] <shirish> CarinArr: do not know should it be us or us-international, do not know the difference
[03:26] <shirish> CarinArr: although there have put up us-international as u can see on the 2 seperate lines
[03:28] <shirish> CarinArr: any ideas?
[03:28] <CarinArr> on phone
[03:28] <shirish> CarinArr: oops, sorry take ur time
[03:29] <Lunar_Lamp> !upgrade
[03:29] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:30] <CarinArr> shirish: you can try commenting out the line that says XKbVariant
[03:31] <delight> as of version 1.0.9746-1 nvidia left a bunch of cards out and labeled 1.0.9631 another legacy driver wouldn't it be nice to support that one too ... esp as the 9xxx series support "aiglx" ... maybe there should be a renaming from legacy to -7184 and have a second "legacy" called nvidia-graphics-drivers-9631
[03:31] <shirish> CarinArr: ok cool, would try that thanx :)
[03:31] <delight> I had this little bad experiencen when i was updating from herd to herd .. to i think it happened in feisty beta
[03:31] <CarinArr> delight: not sure if they're done ith restructuring the nvidia drivers yet
[03:32] <CarinArr> there's the -new now
[03:32] <delight> well id does not seem they will longer support all that cards in the new driver
[03:32] <delight> i think it was about Geforce2mx up to geforce3 or 4?
[03:32] <delight> I can check again
[03:33] <CarinArr> i'm assuming they'll do something about the way it's at th emoment cause it doesn't seem to make sense there's the nvidia-glx which says "for newer cards" and the glx-new as well
[03:33] <shirish> CarinArr: who is looking about the nvidia drivers upstream?
[03:33] <CarinArr> no idea
[03:33] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm using wireless via ndiswrapper, have an ati mobility x700, and beryl/xgl installed.  Is upgrading to feisty likely to break things?
[03:34] <CarinArr> Lunar_Lamp: well.. upgrading can always break things
[03:34] <CarinArr> don't know about likeliness.. i did a clean install of my system
[03:34] <Lunar_Lamp> CarinArr, of course, I was just wondering on liklihood - e.g. all ati cards tend to break on upgrade due to changes in xorg or something :-)
[03:34] <shirish> CarinArr: seems its coming from the debian guys, its there on the Planet Debian http://swik.net/Debian/Planet+Debian/Randall+Donald:+What+to+call+9631%3F/12fu
[03:35] <CarinArr> Lunar_Lamp: yeah i gathered.. not sure about that, not using ati or ndiswarpper myself so can't comment;)
[03:39] <delight> CarinArr: so i just wanted to make a little note that the new drivers i breaking that possible nice 3d experience for a lot of users in feisty .. so maybe some support for that 2nd legacy would be good
[03:40] <CarinArr> delight: yeah i agree
[03:40] <CarinArr> might still do that yet tho
[03:41] <bobdufour> Hi can someone give me a tip: should I install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?? Thanks!
[03:42] <shirish> Lunar_Lamp: as far as breaking cards are concerned look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213 be aware that this one is for i845 chipset
[03:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[03:43] <assasukasse> hi everyone, i have a problem, when trying to send a bug the page that opens has this at the beginning http://home/foo%20 then the correct address..it doesn't work unless i manually delete the first part..how can i fix it
[03:44] <shirish> Lunar_Lamp: wrong one, the right one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105390
[03:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 105390 in metacity "window manager crashes/does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:44] <Lunar_Lamp> thanks shirish - will read
[03:46] <assasukasse> file:///home/foo/%22https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/<cut> this is what i usually see
[03:46] <TheSilentW> ubuntu is hurting my eyes, i think its cause of refresh rate or resolution, need to change it to 1280x1028 75, how i change it?
[03:49] <delight> TheSilentW:  try fixing your refresh rates in your xorg.conf ... look what the right ones are for your screen
[03:49] <TheSilentW> how?
[03:49] <TheSilentW> new to linux :(
[03:49] <delight> TheSilentW: but this is a general xorg.conf question ... simple google
[03:49] <someothernick> gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:49] <someothernick> backup first
[03:50] <CarinArr> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf probably, so you can actually edit it
[03:50] <someothernick> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf
[03:50] <someothernick> opps
[03:50] <someothernick> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[03:50] <shirish> CarinArr: can u look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105390 and see if I need to re-categorize it somewhere else or have done that right
[03:50] <CarinArr> TheSilentW: you might want to check i fyou can set the resolution in the graphical tool first though
[03:50] <Lunar_Lamp> someothernick, you made a typo there - the second one should be /etc/... not /ect/...
[03:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 105390 in metacity "window manager crashes/does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:51] <DarkMageZ> TheSilentW, system > preferences > screen resolution
[03:51] <TheSilentW> cant
[03:51] <TheSilentW> its at max
[03:52] <shirish> TheSilentW: what graphics chipset do u have?
[03:52] <TheSilentW> nvidia
[03:52] <TheSilentW> geforce 7800 GT
[03:56] <ShackJack> Hi - all.. my tomboy and deskbar applet in the panel each are taking up 32MB each - YOUCH! does that seem like a lot to anyone else :)
[03:59] <mastertsunami> no not really :/
[03:59] <mastertsunami> maybe have deskbar use trackerd instead of beagle :|
[04:02] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - actually I tried using that trackd in the deskbar and it crashes it on startup (I don't use beagle)
[04:02] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - there's a bug filed for it, I think...
[04:02] <ShackJack> That tracker works awesome though - I'd think that would take more resources that friggin "Tomboy" :)
[04:03] <mastertsunami> well aren't they both written in mono, so they use a VM like java?
[04:03] <hidan> holy moly... update manager's downloading soo slowly
[04:03] <finalbeta> is there a fix / workaround for the stall at setting up network interfaces?
[04:03] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - you mean tomboy and deskbar?
[04:03] <mastertsunami> yeah ShackJack
[04:03] <hidan> ah well.
[04:04] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - Hmmm. I'm not sure about that.... would have to check on that... I know beagle is... but I don't think those two are as I'm pretty sure I don't have mono libs installed :)
[04:05] <mastertsunami> im pretty sure tomboy is as well
[04:05] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - in that case - YANK! ;)
[04:06] <mastertsunami> i don't know much about anything though so the fact it was written in C# might not have anything to do with its performance :|
[04:06] <finalbeta> Lols, Feisty is going to be a blast, my right speaker keeps making white noise, I have to remove my CD drive to boot, it stalls for > 1 minute at setting up the network interfaces. The early herts where more stable for me. Only wireless improved. Feisty is now worse then warty for me.
[04:09] <crimsun> so use warty.
[04:09] <crimsun> no one's forcing you to upgrade, and you can always recompile security errata yourself ;)
[04:09] <finalbeta> Nah, just added back the xp line in grub.
[04:10] <CarinArr> i don't get why people do that
[04:11] <finalbeta> Pretty weird, when my cpu goes 100% my right speaker gives off white noise.
[04:11] <xtknight> hmm
[04:11] <xtknight> interference or audio buffer im guessing
[04:11] <CarinArr> whenever they're upset something doesn't work they always decide to throw windows into the conversation
[04:12] <crimsun> xtknight: more probably broken audio codec and acpi interaction.
[04:12] <shirish> !trackerd
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trackerd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <shirish> !info trackerd
[04:12] <ubotu> Package trackerd does not exist in feisty
[04:12] <CarinArr> feisty IS still beta.. even if it's due for release shortly
[04:12] <hidan> !info locale
[04:12] <ubotu> Package locale does not exist in feisty
[04:12] <crimsun> CarinArr: it won't suddenly become !beta in one week ;)
[04:12] <hidan> btw, does anyone know how to find out what your locale in Ubuntu is? I filed a bug report and the Developer wanted to know what my "locale version" is.
[04:12] <shirish> ShackJack: what is the trackerd thing u were saying to mastertsunami before, it is a beagle replacement?
[04:13] <mastertsunami> yes
[04:13] <CarinArr> well no crimsun but there's no point making a big deal of it before it does
[04:13] <shirish> ShackJack: mastertsunami:  IIRC beagle is a search & indexing software, right
[04:13] <crimsun> hidan: `echo $LANG` is a start
[04:13] <mastertsunami> correct
[04:13] <mastertsunami> here read this: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/tracker-list/2007-January/pdfLkb0uuBAEw.pdf
[04:13] <mastertsunami> (warning pdf) :|
[04:14] <hidan> crimsun: thank you for your help. :)
[04:15] <bobdufour> Hi can someone give me the difference between nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?? Thanks!
[04:15] <xtknight> it's nvidia 96xx vs 97xx
[04:15] <xtknight> i think
[04:15] <xtknight> driver versions.  96xx is for geforce4 and 97xx is for anything above
[04:15] <hidan> xtknight: Yoohoo!
[04:16] <bobdufour> oh thx!
[04:16] <xtknight> hidan, you never miss me do you :P
[04:16] <hidan> xtknight: mmm no? :P
[04:16] <peter77> flash seems to crash firefox a lot, is it only me experiencing this or is it a common problem?
[04:17] <peter77> well by flash it tends to be on youtube
[04:17] <hidan> xtknight: My psu died. and finally, we got it replaced with a SevenTeam psu. Here's to a long future, SevenTeam psu. Don't give me problems like Antec did. :p
[04:17] <xtknight> hidan, been there done that.  antec psu dead.  used a fortron fsp group one instead
[04:18] <xtknight> was a t-storm though so i also got a surge proxcetor
[04:18] <xtknight> protector*
[04:18] <hidan> xtknight: ouch... surge protector. Luckily, the electricity in Singapore is pretty steady and clean.
[04:18] <shirish> hidan: Antec is supposed to be a good one, what happened?
[04:18] <xtknight> US prolly sucks half the globe's power
[04:18] <hidan> shirish: Well, some of the Antec PSUs suffer from an issue of bad caps.
[04:19] <shirish> hidan: and is SevenTeam more expensive than Antec?
[04:19] <xtknight> yeah
[04:19] <hidan> Shirish: SevenTeam is around the same price, actually... they actually manufacture PSUs for industrial purposes so....
[04:20] <shirish> hidan: can u give me a link for SevenTeam site or something, just to check out what they do & what kind of PSU's they have
[04:20] <hidan> Shirish: so that means they're pretty reliable, EXCEPT for in the USA. Where the SevenTeam USA branch tends to "rebrand" their PSUs and falsely sell them at higher ratings and stuff like that.
[04:20] <hidan> Shirish: hang on.
[04:20] <xtknight> hidan, yeah that's like fortron.  dont get a fortron PSU unless it's made by the "FSP group" (good caps0
[04:20] <hidan> shirish: http://www.seventeam.com.tw/
[04:21] <hidan> xtknight: yeah it's kinda scary how greed can cause people lotsa problems.
[04:21] <shirish> thanx
[04:22] <johnnybuoy> can anyone unmount USB hdds in gnome?
[04:23] <hidan> shirish: Yeah... well, I hope so!!! :P
[04:24] <hidan> shirish: actually, after the pc repair shop took out the antec psu, i could smell something funny from the psu. O_o;;
[04:25] <shirish> hidan: have been using my pc from last 3.5  yrs, just the m/b got changed once in that time
[04:25] <hidan> shirish: and when i was trying to get my pc to start(before i changed my psu), i got an electrical shock. Small one but hurt really bad.
[04:25] <shirish> hidan: I had heard so great things about Antec PSU, here in india we have pretty bad power supply, spikes are a daily occurence
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: meh, try these 2 sites if you're looking for psu reviews.
[04:26] <SlimeyPete> how does one go about setting touchpad sensitivity in kubuntu?
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: http://www.jonnyguru.com/
[04:26] <SlimeyPete> (if such a thing can be done - I'm not very au-fait with laptops)
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: http://www.silentpcreview.com/
[04:26] <shirish> hidan: thnx
[04:27] <hidan> shirish: yes they actually test the PSUs very thoroughly
[04:28] <hidan> shirish: and that's a good thing if you live in a house with ageing wires or some state/country with poor power issues.
[04:28] <shirish> hidan: affordability is also a big issue, but still its good to know if the opportunity presents itself
[04:29] <hidan> shirish: oh don't worry... they probably have PSUs under different tiers. As in budget to "REALLY high quality" stuff
[04:29] <hidan> and to "DO not buy, NOT even if it's free"
[04:29] <shirish> hidan: true, hence will check them out
[04:30] <hidan> shirish: yeah, ... some of the cheap PSUs are like bad quality blood... As in: Say no to donated blood with AIDS/HIV...
[04:31] <shirish> hidan: lol, will check them out, although have been lucky with the ones I had bought, bought them pretty cheap but still going strong after 3.5 yrs, its my UPS actually which is not upto the task
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: huh, i never even bought a UPS before... more like really expensive and can't afford it at the moment. :P
[04:32] <shirish> hidan: planning to build an AMD system at a l8ter date, that time the PSU will come in handy
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: yes, AMD rocks!!!
[04:32] <mastertsunami> well those update totally borked my network manager :/
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: I've had Intel systems before... good gods, the heat is horrendous.
[04:32] <xtknight> intel core 2 duo here
[04:33] <CarinArr> same here xtknight
[04:33] <hidan> xtknight: heheheh ;P
[04:33] <xtknight> it has the most efficient thermal specs as of now
[04:33] <shirish> hidan: here its the opposite, brands like Antec sell for about 3k in indian rupees, while the best UPS goes in for around 2, 2.5k
[04:33] <xtknight> prescott was disaster, intel did a 180
[04:33] <hidan> shirish: wow... that is mighty expensive.
[04:33] <shirish> mastertsunami: I have put a bug on it perhaps you can take a look at that or the original of that
[04:34] <CarinArr> how is the network manager borked?
[04:34] <shirish> hidan: in Indian Rupees, 1 US $ dollar = 48 Rs.
[04:34] <xtknight> it doesnt like static ips
[04:34] <xtknight> been lots of bugs about it
[04:34] <CarinArr> oh
[04:34] <hidan> shirish: wait... that's about 100++ SGD bucks! Holy moly... that's VERY cheap, actually. O_o;;
[04:34] <CarinArr> that sounds like what i reported ages ago in edgy
[04:34] <CarinArr> just crashed when i tried to start it
[04:34] <hidan> shirish: i paid a few hundred bucks for my AMD chip.
[04:35] <mastertsunami> ahh thats what it is then xtknight
[04:35] <shirish> hidan: lucky you, I got an intel 1.8 ages ago
[04:35] <mastertsunami> cuz i have a static
[04:35] <shirish> mastertsunami: same here static, although have a dynamic ip
[04:35] <hidan> wait static ips? uh oh... i use static ips.
[04:36] <peter77> what would a recommended alternative be to Firefox
[04:36] <CarinArr> i used to, changed router and using dhcp now tho
[04:36] <xtknight> peter77,  epiphany
[04:36] <xtknight> if you dont like the mozilla engine, then Opera
[04:36] <CarinArr> or rather, got a new wireless card for the desktop with the new router that actually works, so now i can use dhcp from desktop as well;)
[04:36] <xtknight> what dont you like about FF?
[04:36] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105373
[04:36] <hidan> xtknight: oh btw, do the new updates fix the issues with Opera and Epiphany not starting, after installing updates?
[04:36] <peter77> Firefox seems to have become somewhat buggy and crashes occasionally when on youtube
[04:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 105373 in network-manager "Regression: network-manager does not show network " [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:37] <xtknight> hidan, not sure.  epiphany just worked for me the other day
[04:37] <shirish> peter77: that might because of the flashplayer involved therein
[04:37] <shirish> peter77: I am sure you have installed the proprietary flash player, right
[04:37] <peter77> yeah
[04:38] <xtknight> well gnash is the one that's unstable for me
[04:38] <iqon> wow, there are a lot of updates today
[04:38] <xtknight> flash 9 has been rock solid
[04:39] <peter77> I'm going to see if I can get opera to crash
[04:39] <xtknight> never had that happen to me
[04:39] <shirish> xtknight: I am looking forward for when the new version of swf-player comes along
[04:39] <xtknight> FF has crashed a lot
[04:39] <xtknight> shirish, open source one?
[04:39] <_dennis_> peter77: i have the same problem with firefox, especialy on youtube...opera is much more stable from my point of view
[04:39] <shirish> xtknight:right, no flash for me till then
[04:40] <xtknight> ahh
[04:40] <hidan> xtknight: okay thank you anyways.
[04:40] <xtknight> shirish, you dont like adobe flash9
[04:40] <xtknight> ?
[04:40] <xtknight> hidan, does yours crash ?
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: for ff crashes a lot with flash9
[04:40] <xtknight> ah interesting
[04:40] <xtknight> my FF crashed with gnash (out of memory) and caused kernel freezeups
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: i filed a bug or 2 & both times it came as the libplayer.so was at fault
[04:40] <peter77> _dennis_, I've just installed opera, I'm impressed
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: if you want can give u details
[04:41] <hidan> xtknight : Epiphany crashes. Opera refuses even to start. I know there're likely solutions for the Opera issue, though.
[04:41] <Tomg> xtknight: hows gnash doing these days for compatibility?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, what is the output in the terminal?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, debug/file bugs/etc ;)
[04:41] <hidan> xtknight: huh? output in Terminal? how do i do that?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, type "epiphany" in the terminal
[04:41] <shirish> I had written to the swf-player & most probably will see the newere
[04:41] <_dennis_> peter77: although, by dist-upgrading i'm unable to use opera...it's a bug, and they working on it, so right now i use FF again, till it's fixed
[04:42] <xtknight> Tomg, afaik it wont work with anything above flash 6 or flash 7
[04:42] <shirish> newer version of swf-player by week or month-end at the latest in the repo
[04:42] <xtknight> ah
[04:42] <hidan> xtknight: WHAT?! Epiphany started!!! How come?
[04:42] <Tomg> xtknight: oh right kk
[04:42] <xtknight> hidan, dunno try opera.  "opera"
[04:42] <peter77> _dennis_, you using fiesty?
[04:42] <shirish> xtknight: nobody tried swiftfox , lol :P
[04:43] <hidan> xtknight: opera, no joy... let me try pastebin
[04:43] <hidan> !pastebin
[04:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:43] <_dennis_> peter77: yep
[04:43] <peter77> opera is running perfectly
[04:43] <xtknight> swiftfox hmm.  i like FF with fasterfox
[04:43] <peter77> and I'm using fiesty too
[04:43] <johnnybuoy> where did you get it from?
[04:43] <peter77> so far opera is a lot more stable
[04:43] <johnnybuoy> did you  get a .deb?
[04:43] <fulat2k> anyone's opera crashing?
[04:44] <shirish> anybody had have issues with playing .wmv files in feisty, after installing the codecs?
[04:44] <peter77> I got it from the Opera website
[04:44] <peter77> .deb edgy
[04:44] <johnnybuoy> no .deb ...
[04:44] <johnnybuoy> ah,
[04:44] <fulat2k> shirish: what kinda issues?
[04:44] <xtknight> apt-get install opera
[04:44] <xtknight> enable commercial repo for i386
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> what commercial repo?
[04:45] <xtknight> the one i'm assuming they're going to have for feisty
[04:45] <xtknight> as they do with Edgy
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> heh
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> yeah, after release
[04:45] <hidan> xtknight: sorry hang on... the pastebin links i've been trying so far aren't working.
[04:46] <peter77> still trying to get opera to crash
[04:46] <shirish> fulat2k: it simply refuses to play, I am not at the ubuntu desktop now, will tell more when i get there
[04:46] <hidan> xtknight: http://pastebin.ca/434652
[04:47] <xtknight> hidan, interesting.
[04:47] <xtknight> hidan, which package did you download, i'll try it
[04:48] <hidan> xtknight: damnit, I don't recall... it was supposedly the 9.00++ version for Edgy. However, v10 Opera is now out... I'll give it a try.
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> v10 opera is out?!
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> wow, where is it?!
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> :P
[04:49] <xtknight> ooh
[04:49] <xtknight> wonder if they have gnome support yet
[04:49] <xtknight> so it doesnt look like crud
[04:50] <xtknight> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/
[04:50] <xtknight> 10 was announced but the latest is 9.2 it seems
[04:51] <hidan> xtknight: oops my mistake :O
[04:51] <xtknight> hidan, http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?distro=ubuntu&id=28908%2C28906&location=214&sub=++++&x=105&y=21
[04:51] <xtknight> hidan, grab that see if it works
[04:51] <xtknight> all nice and dandy here
[04:52] <xtknight> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[04:52] <xtknight> but no SIGSEGV ;pp
[04:52] <xtknight> my guess is it was that particular package you were using
[04:52] <hidan> xtknight: yeah true
[04:52] <xtknight> opera looks nicer
[04:52] <xtknight> nowadays
[04:52] <xtknight> maybe it's feisty's qt4
[04:53] <hidan> xtknight: qt4? Quicktime4?
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> heh
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> QT4
[04:53] <xtknight> Qt4 the kde library
[04:53] <xtknight> trolltech
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> QT != quick time
[04:54] <xtknight> it runs on everything frmo mobile phones to PCs
[04:54] <xtknight> thus opera uses it instead of Glib
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> so does gtk
[04:54] <jin> hi
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> AND gtk is written in C
[04:54] <danohuiginn> anyone know if Feisty+1 (october's release) is due to be long-term support?
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> but I don't see opera 10 anywhere
[04:54] <jin> I'm trying to install nvidia-glx for my current kernel version which is 2.6.20-8-generic but synaptic keeps asking to install the latest kernel from the repo which is 2.6.20-14-generic
[04:55] <xtknight> dont believe gtk is as portable as Qt
[04:55] <jin> but 2.6.20-14-generic is screwed up and it does not work!
[04:55] <xtknight> screwed up
[04:55] <xtknight> ?
[04:55] <johnnybuoy> why is it screwed up?
[04:55] <jin> yea, I couldn't boot my system with it
[04:55] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, no?
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> jin, did it complain about the root?
[04:56] <xtknight> johnnybuoy, that's what i've been told as to why opra uses Qt
[04:56] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: it should be on opera.com i have .20 iirc
[04:56] <jin> johnnybuoy, I think it has problems mounting my other drives
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> gnomefreak, ah, but that's 9.10, right?
[04:56] <gnomefreak> 9.20 i have 9.10 is on opera.com
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> jin, yes, because there was a change, now every drive is sda, even ide driver
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> drives
[04:56] <jin> johnnybuoy, but I just want nvidia-glx for my current kernel
[04:56] <nobodyLV> teex...
[04:57] <nobodyLV> 50% 5gadus veci faili ir nobekapoti
[04:57] <jin> johnnybuoy, it couldn't mount my ata drive
[04:57] <jin> it could mount my sata tho
[04:57] <stevethepirate> hello.
[04:57] <nobodyLV> upz wrong channel ;)
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> yes, ATA is sda also now
[04:57] <penta> hola
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> jin,
[04:57] <hidan> xtknight , shirish: anyways i'm going for a shower now... take care, folks. :D
[04:57] <jin> johnnybuoy, so I should change my fstab file?
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> gnomefreak, yes, I thought opera 10 was out :$
[04:57] <xtknight> hidan, k
[04:57] <gnomefreak> nope
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> jin, yes, then install the new kernel
[04:58] <penta> can anyone help me install feisty on a lvm partition?
[04:58] <jin> johnnybuoy, okay, gonna give that a try then
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> jin, IF you have /dev/hd* in it
[04:58] <shirish> hidan: ok take care, sorry some things came up
[04:58] <gnomefreak> 9.20 is current devel version last i checked
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> oki...
[04:58] <hidan> shirish: oh it's okay... ^___^ /me grins
[04:58] <jin> yea, I have that in my current fstab file
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> the bittorrent integration is a good idea, but it's a bit too broken yet
[04:59] <johnnybuoy> jin, yep, that's your problem then
[04:59] <johnnybuoy> change hd* to sd* and it should be fine
[05:00] <stevethepirate> can some1 direct me to a feisty upgrade guide?
[05:01] <rsk> !upgrade
[05:01] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:02] <RedRose> I've noticed that in grub their is a new command used(uuid), but it only seems to slow my boot time. Can anyone explain what it does?
[05:02] <penta> does anyone (besides me) use lvm as root partition?
[05:02] <peter77> lvm?
[05:02] <johnnybuoy> logical volume management
[05:03] <peter77> I use EXT3
[05:03] <penta> logical volume management, you can increase and decrease partition sizes as you like
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> on-the-fly
[05:03] <lupine_85> lvm++
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> :)
[05:03] <peter77> yeah, going to say you can do that with GParted
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> no, you can't
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> eg. you can't resize your root partition while running
[05:04] <peter77> not while running
[05:04] <peter77> booting from the GParted CD you can
[05:04] <johnnybuoy> i know
[05:04] <penta> i don't get how to activate lvm in the feisty installer (already did it with dapper and edgy)
[05:05] <shirish> RedRose: that is to do with the libata thing
[05:05] <shirish> !libata
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <shirish> !info libata
[05:05] <ubotu> Package libata does not exist in feisty
[05:05] <shirish> @libata
[05:05] <xtknight> kernel module
[05:06] <shirish> stupid bot
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> teach it ;)
[05:06] <RedRose> shirish, What is libata?
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> it means that now even ide drives use /dev/sd* names
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> instead of /dev/hd*
[05:07] <shirish> RedRose: its a new library/kernel module introduced in Edgy, you can find more on the wiki.ubuntu.com just search for libata
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> uuid is good because it doesn't matter what driver you use
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> (I don't use uuid :D )
[05:07] <Toma-> !dvd
[05:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:07] <Toma-> heh. weird ol gaim
[05:07] <shirish> johnnybuoy: does the UUID change each time somebody re-installs the OS afresh?
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> I think yes, but I really don't know
[05:08] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> I think it changes even when the size of the partition changes
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> but I'm not sure
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> !uuid
[05:08] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:08] <shirish> johnnybuoy: i would be trying tht tomorrow or sometime l8ter
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> ?
[05:08] <shirish> has anybody got the announcement of the RC release somewhere?
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> RC?
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> there is an RC?
[05:09] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: yes you can.
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> what can I?
[05:09] <shirish> atleast on the time schedule there is supposed to be an RC today or something like that
[05:09] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:09] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: resize ext3 partitions online
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, no you can not
[05:10] <jin> johnnybuoy, I can't find the right device in /dev
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> jin, just use uuid
[05:10] <jin>  /dev/sda is sata hd where ubuntu is installed on
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> !uuid |jin
[05:10] <ubotu> jin: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:10] <shirish> actually cdimage.ubuntu.com should have hem
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: i've been doing that on the machine i'm using rite now
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> jin, so you get dropped to a prompt?
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: assuming online == mounted and being used
[05:11] <fulat2k> :)
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, yes? how you do that? what tool you use?
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: ext2online
[05:11] <shirish> ok guys going to dinner, be back in a bit.
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, wow, didn't know about that...
[05:12] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: do that after you've extended your LV.
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> thx
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> LV?
[05:12] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: no probs
[05:12] <fulat2k> logical volume
[05:12] <jin>  /dev/sdb1: UUID="3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> this is no lvm install though
[05:12] <jin> but if I mount /dev/sdb1 I get 3 weird files
[05:12] <jin> I don't see my files :\
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> jin, so in fstab you can put uuids
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> instead of /dev/hd* you put uuid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> iiirc
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> sec, checking
[05:14] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, I knew you could do that in lvm
[05:14] <johnnybuoy> jin, UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:14] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: oh damn.  ooops :)
[05:14] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:15] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: must have missed some lines a few pages up :P
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> jin, also, in grub, as the kernel boot param instead of root=/dev/* you put root=uuid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, think so...
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> no prob
[05:18] <jin> johnnybuoy, 3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b is not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[05:18] <hidan> back :)
[05:18] <johnnybuoy> jin, strange...
[05:18] <jin> but it is in ls /dev/disk/by-id/
[05:18] <jin> can I use ID= in fstab file?
[05:20] <jin> brb
[05:23] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, i need help, resized my resolution and got this, no transparency, top icons desorganized, black spots, http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgm7.png
[05:23] <hidan> omg i can't believe that after ripping people off, Microsoft's going to release a Vista replacement in 2 to 3 years. ><;;
[05:23] <TheSilentW> replacement?
[05:23] <TheSilentW> WTF
[05:23] <hidan> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/02/11/microsoft-vista-is-a-compromise-a-replacement-is-coming-in-2009/
[05:23] <TheSilentW> link?
[05:24] <jin> mount: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b does not exist
[05:24] <jin> but it is listed when I run blkid
[05:26] <johnnybuoy> jin, but when you boot, do you get a prompt?
[05:26] <jin> johnnybuoy, yea, a few minutes ago but I commented out the line for the ata hd before I reboot
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> okay, when you are in that prompt, you can check which drive is which by mounting them one-by-one
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> sda, sdb, sdc, etc ;)
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> I have no better way
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> or maybe ask someone else
[05:28] <jin> I know my storage partition should be sdb1
[05:28] <jin> sda is where my OS's are installed
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> well, I guess the sata disk will be sda
[05:28] <jin> yes,
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> then the primary ide will be sdb
[05:28] <jin> and the ata is sdb1 it seems
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> yes
[05:29] <jin> but if I mount it with mount /dev/sdb1 /space I can only see 3 weird files
[05:29] <jin> with weird characters as filename
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> well, it then looks like your ide is broken with libata
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> which is very strange
[05:30] <jin> it worked with kernel 2.6.20-8
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> do you get any ide related errors in /var/log/syslog?
[05:30] <Toma-> !hi
[05:30] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[05:33] <hidan> gods, here's to hoping the new updates won't break too many things.
[05:37] <locolbd> hello
[05:37] <locolbd> can someone help me please
[05:37] <locolbd> i installed fiesty fawn
[05:37] <locolbd> but my sound is really low
[05:38] <rsk> use alsamixer to raise it
[05:39] <TheSilentW> how do i make ubuntu auto login?
[05:39] <locolbd> i did thatr
[05:39] <locolbd> but the master volume cannot be adjusted
[05:39] <locolbd> only rcm and mic
[05:39] <locolbd> sorry PCM and MIC
[05:40] <acuster> anyone else noticing a total slowdown of eclipse apps under the current feisty?
[05:41] <TheSilentW> how do i make ubuntu auto login?
[05:41] <ror> Does feisty have an IRC client in the default bootCD?
[05:41] <ror> and will the next version?
[05:42] <ror> (apart from the one in gaim which is terrible)
[05:42] <TheSilentW> then do..plz
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> TheSilentW, in the login window config, system > prefs > login window
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> sry
[05:44] <johnnybuoy>  system > admin. > login window
[05:45] <TheSilentW> thx
[05:45] <locolbd> my sound plays really low and i am unable to adjust the master volume can someone help
[05:45] <locolbd> do i need to install extra software
[05:45] <dystopianray> locolbd: why can't you adjust the master volume?
[05:45] <locolbd> i dont know
[05:45] <shatrat> locolbd, doubtful. tried alsamixer?
[05:45] <locolbd> i did the alsamixer
[05:45] <locolbd> in the terminal
[05:46] <locolbd> i am able to adjust PCM and MIC but not master volume
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> locolbd, are you in the audio group?
[05:46] <locolbd> i dont understand cause the sound worked perfect with 6.06
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> did you try sudo alsamixer?
[05:46] <dystopianray> locolbd: could you adjust master volume in 6.06?
[05:46] <locolbd> i didnt have no
[05:46] <locolbd> i didnt have to
[05:47] <dystopianray> locolbd: what sound card is it?
[05:47] <locolbd> the sound on my tast bar gave me all the options
[05:47] <locolbd> so i adjusted the sound from there
[05:47] <jin> johnnybuoy, when ubuntu starts fsck was checking /dev/sdb1 but died at 95% and returned error 1
[05:48] <locolbd> how can i find wha sound card i have
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> jin, wow
[05:48] <locolbd> bare with me an new to linunx
[05:48] <locolbd> linux
[05:48] <jin> looks like my hd is dying
[05:48] <jin> ?
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> jin, that's scary, but does it still work?
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> I mean, can you read the files in there?
[05:48] <jin> johnnybuoy, I could browse through the files in win xp
[05:48] <jin> johnnybuoy, but not in ubuntu
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> well, you should unmount the partition and fsck it
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> and say what the error is
[05:49] <jin> it is not even mounted
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> so fsck it
[05:49] <frojnd> today is officially relase date of ubuntu feisty, am I right? how  can I update to official release from beta - just with update and upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[05:49] <dystopianray> locolbd: alsamixer should tell you at the top
[05:49] <jin> if I fsck it now, it says clean
[05:49] <locolbd> ok
[05:49] <dystopianray> frojnd: feisty gets released next week
[05:50] <frojnd> nooooooo
[05:50] <frojnd> it's on 11. 4 ..
[05:50] <jin> but if I mount the partition, I only see 3 weird files
[05:50] <dystopianray> frojnd: it gets released on the 19th
[05:50] <frojnd> oooo I was living in a lie!
[05:50] <locolbd> card: HDA Intel ..............chip: Realtek ALC861
[05:51] <dystopianray> frojnd: the release schedule says there will be a release candidate on the 12th, tomorrow
[05:51] <shirish> ok guys how do I add a user to the system?
[05:51] <frojnd> shirish: adduser nickaname
[05:51] <dystopianray> shirish: useradd
[05:52] <dystopianray> locolbd: are there any other controls you can adjust in alsamixer?
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> jin, is this with the new kernel?
[05:52] <jin> johnnybuoy, yep
[05:52] <dystopianray> locolbd: is it a laptop or a desktop?
[05:52] <jin> but I could mount it using the old kernel :\
[05:52] <jin> weird
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> jin, and with the old one you see all the files fine?
[05:52] <jin> yep
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> yeah, really weird
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: labtop
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> jin, oh! fsck doesn't check the fs, right
[05:53] <jin> this is crazy
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> it just says it's clean and that's all
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: yes there are other controls some can be adjusted iothers cannot
[05:53] <jin> cfdisk is telling me /dev/sdb1 is a NTFS filesystem
[05:53] <dystopianray> locolbd: have you looked in the forums or for bugs which have the same problem?
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: but that does no good
[05:53] <jin> partition*
[05:53] <mikeyhatesms> just curious if theres anyone in south florida that would help me with a feisty install when it's released, that could show me how to partition and to migrate my files
[05:53] <jin> but but is not
[05:54] <dystopianray> jin: the filesystem doesn't have to match the partition type
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> jin, wow, that seems fscked up ;)
[05:54] <locolbd> yeah
[05:54] <dystopianray> jin: what does blkid say the partition is?
[05:54] <locolbd> dystopianray: yes
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> yeah, but it don't hurt if it does
[05:54] <jin> blkid says ext2
[05:54] <dystopianray> mikeyhatesms: you can get help from anyone in here
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> jin, oh! fsck doesn't check the fs, right, it just says it's clean and that's all
[05:55] <dystopianray> jin: ok so it's an ext2 filesystem but the partition has the wrong type
[05:55] <jin> I think so.
[05:55] <jin> probably modifeid by the stupid windows ext2/3 driver
[05:55] <jin> modified*
[05:55] <johnnybuoy> jin, ?
[05:55] <mikeyhatesms> dysto, but i don't think i can do online help cuz won't i be offline precisely when i need the help for the install?
[05:56] <jin> so I need to make it an linux partition?
[05:57] <MasteR`> ruh roh, ship for fiesty just hit digg frontpage
[05:57] <mikeyhatesms> well, anyways, am waiting for the release day, and then hope i can manage it
[05:57] <mikeyhatesms> cya guys
[05:58] <hidan> btw anyone got this while updating ? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/qt3-dev-tools_3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[05:58] <hidan>   MD5Sum mismatch
[05:58] <lupine_85> jin: fdisk can change the partition id (the 't' command)
[05:58] <jin> I got it working :)
[05:59] <jin> sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /myspace/ did it
[05:59] <jin> can I change the partition type without losing my files/?
[05:59] <lupine_85> yes
[06:00] <MasteR`> i installed feisty with reiserfs on my laptop last night, think thats safe?
[06:00] <lupine_85> but it's only really good for the autodetection, so no real need to bother
[06:00] <dystopianray> MasteR`: why reiserfs?
[06:01] <MasteR`> for grins, really
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> MasteR`: ricer fsck sucks
[06:01] <MasteR`> i hear it got some good performance compaired to ext3, so i decided to test it out
[06:01] <MasteR`> i see
[06:01] <MasteR`> hmm
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> even the tools you pay for are not very good
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> xfs or jfs there are reasons for both
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> reiser3 except for webcaches I don't think is useful
[06:03] <MasteR`> well i suppose i can redo with ext3. nothing major since it's a recent install
[06:03] <johnnybuoy> ricer fs @ lol
[06:03] <mastertsunami> i use xfs :/
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> xfs?
[06:04] <mastertsunami> yah
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> caches a lod, don't it
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: nothing wrong with xfs
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> lot
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: unless you get a power cut
[06:04] <mastertsunami> i haven't noticed it caching
[06:04] <mastertsunami> though i haven't tried to tune it at all :/
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: make clean on a source dir with loads of files is really slow also
[06:05] <mastertsunami> yes deletes are normally slow
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> I use jfs for that reason and some stuff on xfs (big files)
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> yes?
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> jfs?
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> dunno, I had jfs drop on me once...
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> but I think jfs and xfs is fine, reiser is ricer fs truly :)
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> johnnybuoy: recovery tools are reasonably decent though
[06:07] <johnnybuoy> for jfs?
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> yep
[06:08] <johnnybuoy> jfsutils, or what?
[06:08] <joshua_> hmm, ok, so the past few days I have been hacking on drivers for my Sony VAIO
[06:08] <joshua_> I figured out how to wake up the wwan; I wonder where I should be submitting patches
[06:09] <mastertsunami> ohh which vaio
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> johnnybuoy: It works - unlike the reiser ones
[06:09] <rsk> joshua_ ubuntu laptop team maybe
[06:09] <rsk> or just tje kernel team
[06:10] <johnficc1> Hi when I run glxinfo | grep direct, I get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
[06:10] <johnficc1> direct rendering: No
[06:10] <johnficc1> any help?
[06:10] <jin> how to fsck to skip /dev/sdb1 on startup?
[06:10] <jin> fsck died again with error 1
[06:10] <johnnybuoy> jin, just fsck -f the disk before you reboot
[06:11] <joshua_> mastertsunami, VAIO SZ
[06:11] <joshua_> mastertsunami, in particular, I determined which register to poke to wake up the GSM modem, and I've made a preliminary stab at the "stamina/speed" switch
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> jin: sudo touch /fastboot
[06:11] <jin> what does that do?
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> jin: what you asked for
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> jin: see man shutdown
[06:13] <jin> h3sp4wn, I was hoping that will speedup my system startup
[06:13] <jin> ;)
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> jin: it would but you would need to do it everytime
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> or shutdown using -f
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> is anyone else having problems with sound
[06:15] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: sort of
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> the feisty beta liveCD comes up with no sound, also latest feisty has no sound
[06:15] <CarinArr> i have to disable acpi to make it work at all
[06:15] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, sound card?
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> if I turn on my onboard sound, gstreamer-properties can emit a test tone out of that; but no other app can emit sound out
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  sound blaster audigy; I had a realtek onboard sound chip enabled for a while but I disabled it.
[06:16] <joshua_> I am running feisty as of two days ago or so, and am about to bring my machine fully up to date. I am happily playing music from mpg123
[06:16] <joshua_> how did you disable it?
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> also I tried removing linux-restricted-modules to see if that helps (atheros has broken shit before)
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  turned it off in the bios
[06:17] <joshua_> does it appear still in lspci?
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> no
[06:17] <joshua_> okay
[06:17] <joshua_> dunno, but those answers might be useful to someone.
[06:17] <CarinArr> heh
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  acpi is acpi=off right?
[06:18] <jin> /dev/sdb1: 9834/20021248 files (5.5% non-contiguous), 26611719/40019915 blocks
[06:18] <jin> I got that
[06:18] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: yeah, i've seen people use noacpi too
[06:18] <CarinArr> but this is a known problem with this model laptop
[06:18] <joshua_> hm, nvidia-glx from 1.0.9755+2.6.20.4... to 1.0.9631+2.6.20.5...
[06:18] <jarle> Still non-working nvidia-glx drivers I see :(
[06:18] <joshua_> why the downgrade?
[06:18] <CarinArr> not sure, but could be because of nvidia-glx-new?
[06:18] <lupine_85> 9631 has GeFORCE 4 support
[06:19] <Beta> Hey, guys, any way to use shockwave content?
[06:19] <lupine_85> !info nvidia-glx-new
[06:19] <joshua_> nvidia-glx-new - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[06:19] <ubotu> Package nvidia-glx-new does not exist in feisty
[06:19] <joshua_> I see
[06:19] <rsk> nope Beta
[06:19] <joshua_> ubotu, you lie
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you lie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <lupine_85> Beta: install flashplayer-nonfree (i386 only)?
[06:19] <Beta> Damn adobe.
[06:19] <joshua_> Beta, flash 9 exists; shockwave no.
[06:20] <Beta> eh, I have flash.
[06:20] <lupine_85> oh, shockwave != flash?
[06:20] <joshua_> shockwave != flash
[06:20] <CarinArr> no
[06:20] <joshua_> hmm. this may prove interesting to maintain
[06:20] <CarinArr> tho not a lot of stuff uses shockwave
[06:20] <Beta> Now I just need something to replace Visual Studio.
[06:20] <joshua_> I'm trying to keep both a DRI GLX and a nVidia GLX installed at the same time on my system, and switch between them based on what graphics card is present on boot
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> did not work.
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> joshua_: there is diverts though to consider
[06:21] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: i wasn't particularly expecting it too, unless you're on alaptop with known problems
[06:21] <CarinArr> ;)
[06:21] <joshua_> this machine has a GMA950 and a GeForce Go 7400, selected by a switch on boot. I can change X servers fairly easily , but I'm not sure how to change the diverts
[06:22] <joshua_> h3sp4wn, yeah. the way I do it right now is with symlinks that I maintain by hand, but if I can do it a cleaner way, that'd be really nice.
[06:22] <bluefoxicy> hrm
[06:23] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: did you say you managed to get test tone?
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  only on the on-board sound
[06:23] <CarinArr> ah
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> If I selected it in gstreamer-properties as sound output and hit test I got a tone
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> if I then used something like rhythmbox to play sound I got no sound
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> ogg123 got no sound either so it's not a gstreamer problem
[06:25] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, try 'ogg123 -d oss your.ogg'
[06:25] <CarinArr> is the whole alsa vs esd still a problem?
[06:25] <CarinArr> i haven't had to mess about with sound stuff for a long while
[06:25] <mastertsunami> what happens if you go into your sound preferences and change everything from autodetect to your device
[06:26] <mastertsunami> in gnome that is, don't know about kde :|
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> mastertsunami:  changed it all to alsa
[06:26] <tapas> hmm, i wonder how i can disable the volume display when using the volume keys on my thinkpad
[06:26] <mastertsunami> you dont' have the actual device name?
[06:26] <tapas> it takes a while to load them and i need these buttons quick
[06:26] <mastertsunami> like ICH9 or whatever
[06:26] <tapas> ;)
[06:26] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: do you only get test sound on the on board one? not the one you want it from?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  yeah.
[06:27] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: i'm assuming that was before disabling in bios?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  also the on board one doesn't get me sound from anything else.  I don't care which card sound comes out of, as long as I have it :|
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> yes, before disabling in bios
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  no effect
[06:27] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: you've checked alsamixer hasn't been set to off for whateve reason?;)
[06:27] <CarinArr> sounds idiotic but i've done it before unknowingly
[06:28] <jin> I hope Feisty is not final
[06:28] <Beta> I'm getting an odd glitch. When I play mpg, avi, etc, the image is really washed out. Unless I open another one of said files in a second player an then re-open it.
[06:28] <jin> I think Xorg got some issues
[06:28] <CarinArr> why jin?
[06:28] <CarinArr> Beta: what player?
[06:29] <Beta> Want me to take a screen cap of it CarinArr?
[06:29] <jin> when I start firefox, my Xorg uses almost 100% of the cpu
[06:29] <jin> :\
[06:29] <jin> and gnome starts very slowly in feisty :(
[06:30] <CarinArr> Beta: more wondering what player you're using;)
[06:30] <CarinArr> jin: that sounds bit odd
[06:30] <Beta> I'm using both Totem and VLC. Doesn't matter which opens first. Its almost like IT needs a second player running.
[06:30] <CarinArr> i haven't had any problems like that i'm afraid
[06:31] <CarinArr> Beta: bizarre.. you running beryl or anything?
[06:31] <Beta> That's just it, I'm not running anything but the normal Gnome, not even the desktop effects.
[06:31] <SlimeyPete> what output plugin are you using?
[06:31] <Beta> gstreamer
[06:32] <SlimeyPete> no I mean as in XV, OpenGL....
[06:32] <Beta> Whatever Fiesty came with.
[06:32] <SlimeyPete> try switching VLC to a different output module (it can use several by default), see what happens
[06:32] <Beta> Ok.
[06:33] <Beta> but it happens if I open Totem first as well.
[06:33] <SlimeyPete> it's in preferences, you might need to tick "advanced options" to see it
[06:33] <SlimeyPete> yeah, but I'm thinking it might be an issue with XV on your system (they'll both default to that, I think)
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  I've freshly reinstalled the OS and the problem still occurs on the livecd for feisty beta
[06:34] <Beta> ?
[06:34] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: it's worked in earlier ubuntus?
[06:34] <bluefoxicy> yes
[06:34] <Beta> Pete, I'm apparently using OpenGL
[06:35] <SlimeyPete> hmm. Try switching to XV then, see if it works better?
[06:35] <Beta> But then how will that Fix Totem?
[06:35] <SlimeyPete> I'm not sure, but I should think Totem can be told to use XV.
[06:35] <CarinArr> i can't type it without typing fesity at least once
[06:36] <peter77> I've set opera as my default browser but when I click on links in emails and gaim, firefox displays the page and not opera
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  frisky fox?  :P
[06:37] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:37] <CarinArr> frisky fox.. cute;)
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr: malone 105598
[06:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 105598 in Ubuntu "No sound in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105598
[06:38] <lupine_85> it's only ~10 years... :D
[06:38] <CarinArr> yeah i saw that bluefoxicy
[06:39] <Beta> Eh, I'll just have to live with it for now I guess, right? It only happened after I installed the Xine version of Totem and then removed it because it wouldn't load.
[06:39] <mips> How does on install SVN ?
[06:39] <CarinArr> mips: sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:39] <mips> CarinArr, thx looking for svn the whole time :)
[06:39] <CarinArr> mips: you're not the first;)
[06:40] <Beta> could the installation of xine have broken things?
[06:42] <Beta> Eh, resinstalling Gstreamer
[06:44] <shirish> guys does anybody know if the RC is being released or not?
[06:44] <TheSilentW> guys, there is the windows task manager version of ubuntu ?
[06:44] <TheSilentW> where*
[06:45] <piratepenguin> is pulseaudio used in desktop installations of ubuntu?
[06:45] <slackern> system-administration-system monitor ?
[06:45] <TheSilentW> exactly, thx
[06:47] <TheSilentW> slackern, and the program files directory of ubuntu programs?
[06:47] <TheSilentW> i downloaded a plugin for amarok to work with G15 keyboard, but i am not exactly sure where to put it
[06:48] <slackern> TheSilentW,  i would say /usr/bin/
[06:48] <slackern> oh
[06:48] <slackern> something like that could perhaps go into your homefolder in a hidden .amarok folder
[06:48] <slackern> not sure about it though
[06:49] <peter77> I've set opera as my default browser but when I click on links in emails and gaim, firefox displays the page and not opera
[06:49] <slackern> TheSilentW, to show hidden folders like .amarok press control+h to show/hide them
[06:49] <TheSilentW> how i find that folder?
[06:49] <TheSilentW> slackern, no, no .amarok :(
[06:50] <slackern> TheSilentW, oh sorry no idea really i haven't got it installed on this machine =/
[06:50] <TheSilentW> ok, np, thx for the help
[06:50] <slackern> try searching with the built in search of KDE perhaps since i guess thats what you are using?
[06:51] <TheSilentW> no, using gnome
[06:51] <slackern> TheSilentW, ahh hmm maybe you could have a look in /home/thesilentw/.kde
[06:52] <slackern> then there are folders in .kde/share/apps
[06:52] <TheSilentW> no, no .kde
[06:52] <RaD|Tz> hi I have a problem, I was upgrading from Edgy to Feisty and interrupt the process, now my ubuntu doesn't boot anymore, any workaround??
[06:52] <TheSilentW> nah, wait, there it is
[06:53] <slackern> the folders with a . in front are hidden in case you don't know that.
[06:53] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: where in the process was it interrupted?
[06:53] <darx_> usr/share/services
[06:53] <RaD|Tz> on unpacking packages
[06:53] <TheSilentW> i know, it just didnt show on search
[06:53] <RedRose> J/w, has anyone had any glitching problems when having the screensavers running while beryl is?
[06:53] <slackern> TheSilentW, ahh alright, im not sure if the thing you wanted to add should go into a folder in there though
[06:54] <TheSilentW> theres a script-data
[06:54] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: did you cancel it or did the power go out or something?
[06:54] <RaD|Tz> now, greg_g I boot on safe mode and throws me onto BusyBox shell
[06:54] <TheSilentW> put it there, gona run amarok and see what happens
[06:54] <RaD|Tz> I cancel it
[06:55] <darx_> TheSilentW: plugins are registered as KDE services.. and usually installed in /usr/share/services
[06:55] <greg_g> I don't know what to tell ya man, I mean, Fiesty is still beta to begin with, there have been problems with upgrades lately
[06:55] <RaD|Tz> but is there any way to get a shell?
[06:55] <RaD|Tz> from BusyBox shell
[06:56] <RaD|Tz> or mount my partition
[06:56] <TheSilentW> slackern, i just found out that amarok itself has a script installer, how dumb
[06:56] <slackern> TheSilentW, hehe well one learns something everyday :)
[06:56] <TheSilentW> yup
[06:56] <TheSilentW> :)
[06:56] <slackern> TheSilentW, i had no idea about that myself either :)
[06:57] <hidan> btw, Konqueror broke after installing some updates at least 3 to 4 days ago. Anyone know where I should start looking at, for fixes?
[06:57] <TheSilentW> slackern, btw, last time i run amarok i crashed it, i think i did it again ><
[06:57] <TheSilentW> it asked to install mp3 support, and i clicked, now, crashed ><
[06:58] <slackern> TheSilentW, last time i tried amarok it did just the same for me
[06:58] <slackern> was a couple of days ago though
[06:59] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: LiveCDs are awesome for that... do you still have one laying around?
[06:59] <greg_g> it doesn't matter what version, all the tools are the same I think
[06:59] <RaD|Tz> yes, at home, doesn't matter if is from an older version?
[06:59] <RaD|Tz> ok will try
[06:59] <greg_g> no, it shouldn't.. all you need it for is to get a terminal running (from the live cd) then mount the harddrive
[07:00] <greg_g> good luck RaD|Tz
[07:00] <RaD|Tz> thanks
[07:00] <hidan> omg yay i reinstalled konq-kim, konqueror and all konqueror libraries and now konqueror works again!!!
[07:00] <TheSilentW> i guess amarok doesnt work at all, even without the plugin xD ,
[07:04] <Beta> Gah, updates!
[07:05] <Beta> Is there a good reason for the updates my machine just detect?
[07:05] <rsk> read the changelog
[07:06] <rsk> should apperar in every package in the update manager
[07:07] <TheSilentW> anyone knows a SVN program that can just stick to a folder, right click and do get or put, just has simple as that?
[07:13] <rrittenhouse> I did my daily fesity updates today and my kernel was updated to -14 and my nvidia driver was also updated (for the new kernel). The -14 driver does not work on my machine for some reason so now I have to go back to -13 and boot but i have no graphics due to the wrong kernel for the nvidia driver. Any suggestions?
[07:16] <TheSilentW> how i make a folder in unix?
[07:16] <TheSilentW> command line
[07:16] <kal_> mkdir
[07:16] <TheSilentW> thx
[07:18] <kal_> I have a problem with feisty. When i launch gnome-terminal/firefox from gnome panel quick launch, it's very sluggish and long. When i launch it from gnome classic menu, its ok. I've made the latest updates, and its not a bug related to libx11/libxcb so. Does anyone know this problem ?
[07:18] <kal_> im using feisy with a sony vaio laptop S4HP
[07:21] <TheSilentW> how do u unistall a program?
[07:21] <mips> I need some svn help please
[07:22] <mips> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin/ gives me this error:
[07:22] <mips> svn: No repository found in 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin'
[07:22] <darx_> TheSilentW: Use synaptics package manager.. details are in the wiki
[07:27] <dballester> hi, anyone has played with raw devices under ubuntu Edgy ?
[07:27] <dballester> modprobe raw ok
[07:28] <dballester> but when
[07:28] <dballester> root@nclserver02:/etc/udev/rules.d# raw /dev/raw/raw1 /dev/VG_DATOS/test_dbm
[07:28] <dballester> Cannot locate raw device '/dev/raw/raw1' (No such file or directory)
[07:28] <rsk> this is not and edgy channel
[07:28] <rsk> try in #ubuntu
[07:28] <dballester> ops sorry
[07:28] <rsk> no worries
[07:30] <delight-net> will there be a rc1? is it expected for today?
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> I need someone to take a screenshot for a bug report for me.
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> Go to http://www.specialized.com/ and take a pic of just the very initial screen, and put it up somewhere and give me the link
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Ahem, I am hereby making noise about bug 105614 - any ideas?
[07:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 105614 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  Flash site only partially loads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105614
[07:53] <TheVault> Got a question. Am I able to setup my top and right corners on my touchpad to go forward or backwards in Ubuntu?
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> TheVault: Yes, but it may or may not be easy.
[07:54] <Arwen> gee, thanks a lot... OO.o upgrade...
[07:54] <TheVault> tonyyarusso: how would I accomplish this then?
[07:54] <concept10> tonyyarusso, is it supposed to look that way in the screenshot?
[07:54] <kal_> TheVault: by manually modifying your xorg.conf
[07:54] <TheVault> kal_: What would I enter under which section?
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> TheVault: I actually am about to run out, but for quick summary:  First, check apt-cache search and try some of the config tools to see if they can do it.  If not, backup and then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have some tap areas mapped to button numbers, and I'm not sure of details from there.
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> concept10: which way in which shot?
[07:55] <kal_> i know that it in section "InputDevice"
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> (The first shot is botched, look at take two of the correct)
[07:55] <kal_> identifier touchpad
[07:55] <concept10> tonyyarusso, the one where you select the language/contry
[07:55] <kal_> but you'll have to read the doc of synaptics driver to know which option is it
[07:55] <TheVault> tonyyarusso: Oh
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> concept10: It's supposed to be a list of countries, yeah.  Mine just shows a black screen with the two headings, as shown in the other shot
[07:56] <TheVault> kal_: I'll see if I can find some help on Ubuntu forum or the net
[07:56] <concept10> tonyyarusso, okay, I see it now
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> :)
[07:56] <kal_> would be faster to read the doc...
[07:56] <concept10> tonyyarusso, are you using that flash-non free library?
[07:56] <TheVault> kal_: Not sure where thats at
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> concept10: I think so
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> flashplugin-nonfree: Installed: 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1
[07:57] <kal_> http://cscott.net/Projects/Synaptics/release/synaptics-latest.tar.gz
[07:57] <kal_> its in it
[07:57] <TheVault> kal_: is that a program?
[07:59] <concept10> tonyyarusso, what version do you see in about:plugins ?
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> concept10: Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31
[08:02] <concept10> tonyyarusso, the flashplugin-nonfree package has caused me grief in the past so I usually remove it and install the flash libraries manually
[08:02] <locolbd> how can i access this file alsa-kernel/Documentation/ALSA-configuration.txt.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> hmm, 'k
[08:04] <concept10> locolbd, locate alsa | grep doc on my system gives me this: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz
[08:05] <concept10> tonyyarusso, does it show the same in other browers?
[08:15] <Pensacola> anyone else having problems with feisty and kdewallet?
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> joshua_: you still work on the ipaq?
[08:16] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, nope. I have moved on.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  ah.  Seems like everybody did; all I see is stagnate and slow releases
[08:16] <joshua_> a lot of politics there.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> I was hoping Ubuntu would make an iPaq distro one day but no.
[08:17] <joshua_> ubuntu is not well suited for handhelds right now; they are very different systems
[08:17] <joshua_> about all they share in common is a kernel
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> yes
[08:18] <Jonah> hey guys just did a clean install of feisty but with two monitors plugged in, but it seems to have mixed them up and i just get a wavy display when it boots after the splash screen which looks ok
[08:19] <fowlduck> any word on why feisty universe binary and source apt repositories would have md5sum mismatches?
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> concept10: yes
[08:19] <fowlduck> tried it several times, still getting the same problem
[08:19] <Jonah> i've just unplugged one monitor to reboot, how can i get xorg to redetect my hardware etc?
[08:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> hi all
[08:19] <concept10> tonyyarusso, if it shows the same in the other browsers, it can only be the library
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> noted
[08:20] <fowlduck> Jonah: you mean automagically?
[08:21] <openstandards> hello i
[08:23] <openstandards> grrr just updated this morning and i experienced a breakage with network-manager, is there a solution as its no longer detecting my ethernet card
[08:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards, are / were you using a linux-restricted modules driver?
[08:24] <openstandards> yes i had the nvidia driver loaded at the time
[08:25] <gourdin> I keep loosing my dhclient ip
[08:25] <gourdin> anyone got an idea ?
[08:25] <jfry> can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[08:25] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards: But the NIC driver was not in l-r-m?
[08:25] <gourdin> (i killed every NetworkManager NetworkManagerDispatcher ...)
[08:26] <openstandards>  nVidia Corporation CK804, thats the driver so it shouldn't be a restricted driver...
[08:26] <gourdin> it seems like avahi daemon is doing something
[08:26] <openstandards> brb want to test something for a second
[08:26] <gourdin> is there a howto configuring feisty network properly ?
[08:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards:  Ok, sorry I can't help.  I thought maybe your nic was using a restricted driver and you didn't get the new kernel module when you upgraded, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[08:30] <nerdygirl_ellie> gourdin: are you not getting an Ip, or you are losing it or?
[08:30] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: I'm getting an ip
[08:31] <gourdin> working connexion for 2 minutes
[08:31] <gourdin> then
[08:31] <gourdin> in var/log/daemon.log I got 3 or 4 dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval XXX
[08:31] <gourdin> then No DHCPOFFERS received.
[08:31] <gourdin> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[08:32] <gourdin> my config worked nice before upgrading feisty today
[08:32] <gourdin> I didn't use "networkmanager"
[08:32] <nerdygirl_ellie> ... you are running dhclient from the command line then?
[08:32] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: yes
[08:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> (e.g. sudo dhclient eth0)
[08:33] <gourdin> exact
[08:33] <gourdin> I got an ip then, 2 or 3 minutes later, got a problem
[08:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> in your log, does it say how long the Lease period is on the IP you receive in the DHCPOFFER?
[08:34] <gourdin> enough :)
[08:34] <gourdin> 36141 seconds.
[08:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> A little less than an hour.  hmm.
[08:34] <ConstyXIV> !badram
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about badram - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: ?
[08:34] <gourdin> 10 hours
[08:34] <gourdin> 36 141
[08:35] <gourdin> here it is
[08:35] <gourdin> 5 minutes
[08:35] <nerdygirl_ellie> ahh.  I saw 4 digits, not 5.  Nope.  No clue.  Maybe something else is trying to "help" and re-running dhclient?
[08:35] <gourdin> I need to dhclient again
[08:35] <gourdin> help ?
[08:36] <gourdin> I keep "re-running dhclient"
[08:36] <nerdygirl_ellie> This will keep you online, but it isn't a fix.  sudo watch --interval=300 'dhclient eth0'
[08:36] <gourdin> =)
[08:36] <gourdin> yep
[08:36] <gourdin> thx
[08:37] <nerdygirl_ellie> It auto-runs dhclient every 5 minutes. :)  I have no clue though.  Good luck!
[08:38] <nerdygirl_ellie> gourdin:  Want to try network manager?
[08:38] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: network manager stall at 27% for me
[08:38] <gourdin> when I enter my ssid and key
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> does feisty have the badram patch by chance?
[08:39] <DanaG> my gnome-vfs is broken for SSH.
[08:45] <DanaG> What's a good SFTP client?
[08:45] <DanaG> Since gnome-vfs is broken.
[08:46] <Adri2000> filezilla
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> sshfs (fuse)
[08:46] <DanaG> I don't want my password in plain text.
[08:47] <void^> sshfs works fine with public/private keys or a master/control connection
[08:47] <concept10> DanaG, when did gnome-vfs break?  I use it all the time?
[08:47] <cab10886> anyone around here that could point me in the right direction to solve my issue with Ubuntu Edgy + Beryl + ATI Radeon ?
[08:47] <DanaG> Oh yay, aptitude thinks everything is new.
[08:48] <ConstyXIV> cab10886: /join #ubuntu first
[08:48] <DanaG> I'm not in any control of the server.
[08:48] <concept10> what does that mean
[08:48] <cab10886> mmmk
[08:48] <cab10886> acutaly i was there first ;)
[08:48] <concept10> cab10886, have you tried the beryl wiki?
[08:49] <concept10> DanaG, or you can use simple sftp
[08:49] <jfry> can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[08:52] <DanaG> I don't remember when it broke.
[08:52] <ghatak> Hi, there were some updates released last night which i applied. now the network applet reports disconnected even though eth0 is up. i am connected via it right now. Some applications like gaim etc are having issue connecting as these apps think that there is no network connectivity
[08:53] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info ssh://hornet.csc.calpoly.edu
[08:53] <DanaG> Error: Timeout reached
[08:54] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info ssh://falcon.csc.calpoly.edu
[08:54] <DanaG> Error: Timeout reached
[08:55] <valehru> Hey guys, I have scim installed however it is not showing any languages that I can choose to type in. Any ideas?
[08:56] <valehru> oh and it does not start automatically when I log into the system.
[08:56] <valehru> pls hlp
[08:57] <openstandards> hi again, wasn't sure if i did a restart earlier after my ethernet card stopped working
[08:57] <DanaG> Oh yay, at least Vogon is working.
[08:57] <openstandards> but i did and i ain't using a restricted ethernet driver
[08:58] <openstandards> any idea what my problem could be?
[09:05] <jfry> OK, ONE MORE TRY: can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[09:06] <jfry> sorry for spamming... but I'm stuck
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh, so THAT's what it is:
[09:10] <DanaG> The servers are Solaris.  :(
[09:13] <Wille88> anyone willing to help me with nvidia drivers: http://sakon.vankila.org/~wille/screenlog.txt
[09:14] <MrFeetio> I read somewhere that deluge is included in feisty's repos... but I can't find it
[09:18] <openstandards> MrFeetio: don't use the one in the repos the developer doesn't recommdend it
[09:18] <openstandards> its got a bug in it which will screw up your downloads
[09:18] <bill_k> I just downloaded the daily built iso yesterday from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/20070410/.  When I booted to the iso (have run memtest and mediacheck) it stuck on a black screen with an error http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/billyk128/feisty.jpg (see image).  It's an amd 2600+ with an ati9800pro.  I have never had any issues with past versions.  any ideas?
[09:19] <bill_k> the daily build*
[09:19] <aaroncampbell> What is the best thing to use for vnc on my system? (setting this up as a server that I can access from elsewhere)
[09:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi Aaron!
[09:20] <naranha> i don't get it, i try to start ubuntu with gdm and the system freezes completely, after the login screen has been shown for a few seconds (nothing but hard reset works). however xinit works fine, no crashs, everything is ok.
[09:20] <aaroncampbell> hi
[09:20] <jan__> Hello people. In the moment I have a seldom but repeating problem with my Ubuntu. The Ubuntu jingle is played back every few seconds while I am locked-in. How can I investigate the problem to find the reason of it?
[09:21] <christyxx1> good day all
[09:23] <EmxBA> CDs that would be ordered these days are going to be sent _after_ 19th april, right?
[09:23] <bur[n] e1> EmxBA: that would make sense since Feisty won't be released until then ;)
[09:23] <christyxx1> I want to install a launcher in a panel - how are commands identified in the filing system? If I want to find the command that will start Thunderbird, for example, where would I look? Locate turns up hundreds of items with thunderbird in the name and  ihave no one is the executable file.
[09:23] <jan__> no idea? would be a good change now to catch a bug.
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: just type "mozilla-thunderbird" as your command... most programs are located in /usr/bin
[09:24] <christyxx1> i meant i have no idea which one is the executable file
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: or use the menu to right click an icon and send it to the panel
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird is your executable
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: but you can just type "mozilla-thunderbird" since /usr/bin is part of your "PATH"
[09:25] <EmxBA> ok
[09:25] <christyxx1> If I right-click Thunderbird in my menu, the program opens
[09:25] <bill_k> hate to be annoying, but can anyone look at my message above?  basically error on booting the iso... never had problems before error here http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/billyk128/feisty.jpg worth a bug report?
[09:25] <jan__> Hello people, once again: In the moment I have a seldom but repeating problem with my Ubuntu. The Ubuntu jingle is played back every few seconds while I am locked-in. How can I investigate the problem to find the reason of it?
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: you must be using xubuntu?
[09:25] <christyxx1> yes
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> ok, no right click for you then ;)  it's only in gnome & kde
[09:25] <christyxx1> in genereal, is theere a way to identify program files
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: if they're in /usr/bin, it's a "program file" or "executable" or whatever you call it
[09:26] <FnuggleMaster> Hey
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: also... if the file is a +x, it's an executable
[09:26] <tarzeau> christyxx1: using file ?
[09:26] <tarzeau> christyxx1: file * will tell what it is
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> tarzeau: I don't think this is a GNUstep channel ;)
[09:26] <tarzeau> bur[n] e1: huh? :)
[09:27] <bur[n] e1> tarzeau: nevermind, you must be a different tarzeau
[09:27] <christyxx1> good - that is what I wanted - the list of apps in usr bin
[09:27] <christyxx1> thx
[09:27] <FnuggleMaster> I have a kernel boot error and boot into busybox. I can start the old kernel fine, but now X won't start due to an nVidia error. I think the nVidia driver was upgraded but it might require the newer kernel. How can I repair the latest kernel boot?
[09:27] <tarzeau> bur[n] e1: i'm the one from #morphix
[09:27] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: even better!!!  /usr/share/applications!
[09:27] <FnuggleMaster> ..without compiling own ;)
[09:27] <christyxx1> thx all
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> FnuggleMaster: what kind of nvidia card?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: Fx5200 128mb
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> Geforce
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> FnuggleMaster: get nvidia-new
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> er... nvidia-glx-new
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: get that and it might work?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> Will do
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> i think so
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> it installs the nvidia 9755 driver again
[09:28] <nerdygirl_ellie> burn:  did you used to have the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: doing
[09:29] <bur[n] e1> nerdygirl_ellie: nope... never...  I always get it from apt
[09:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> ok.  I'll hush. ;)
[09:29] <wizard> crimsun: hey, do you think you have time to trouble shoot my sound further?
[09:30] <crimsun> wizard: I'm very busy atm, but I'll contact you shortly
[09:30] <wizard> crimsun: alright
[09:30] <wizard> i noticed there were some updates
[09:30] <wizard> i am gonna run them and see how they work on it, crimsun
[09:31] <FnuggleMaster> dfgas_: You the man! In X :D
[09:31] <FnuggleMaster> dfgas_: Beryl and all :)
[09:31] <mcphail> Can I just give kudos to whoever designed the "Search for multimedia codec" dialog in Feisty :)
[09:31] <choudesh> heh
[09:32] <EmxBA> related to recent amd decision that beryl and other similar things won't work with their Linux drivers, that means that there's no solution for users who have ATI cards?
[09:32] <choudesh> EmxBA, which ATI card do you use?
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> some ati cards work
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> even though "not supported"
[09:33] <bur[n] e1> though nvidia is the option to go if buying new
[09:33] <bur[n] e1> or intel I suppose
[09:33] <mastertsunami> won't work *yet*
[09:33] <mastertsunami> amd just bought ati man, give them some time to fix the drivers :)
[09:34] <mastertsunami> and yes, you can use XGL with ATI from what I understand :|
[09:34] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:34] <iXneonXi> Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out whether an issue I'm experiencing is a bug in the Feisty Beta or a personal computer problem.
[09:35] <choudesh> iXneonXi, what seems to be the problem?
[09:35] <iXneonXi> If it's a bug I'll get it on launchpad, if my computer is messing up, i surely want to get it fixed
[09:35] <iXneonXi> Ubiquity's partitioner lists a partition as invalid and with inconsistencies and asks to continue as is. I click continue and it crashes and moves to the next step of install
[09:35] <iXneonXi> I run AMD64
[09:36] <choudesh> iXneonXi, that may be the fsck bug.
[09:37] <choudesh> iXneonXi, https://launchpad.net/bugs/94647
[09:37] <iXneonXi> I ran e2fsck and it said the partition is clean, but I'm not sure if I used the corret answers
[09:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 94647 in partman-partitioning "Resize operation failure" [High,Fix released] 
[09:37] <iXneonXi> *correct options
[09:37] <iXneonXi> is launchpad working for yall?
[09:37] <choudesh> yea. just slow.
[09:37] <iXneonXi> ok
[09:37] <iXneonXi> i timed out on e
[09:37] <choudesh> actually, no.
[09:38] <jfry> anyone know why I might be missing /sbin/update-grub... I did an upgrade and now I can't install the latest kernel.
[09:38] <iXneonXi> guess i'll have to wait
[09:39] <jfry> ahh nm... was there a switch to lilo with 7.04?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> jfry: nope still grub
[09:40] <EmxBA> x1300xt/x1600pro
[09:40] <EmxBA> that's the name
[09:40] <iXneonXi> Everyone said to ditch AMD64 and stick with x86. Shall I be corrected?
[09:40] <EmxBA>  RV530LE
[09:40] <jfry> gnomefreak: then why isn't grub installed on my machine anymore... just lilo
[09:40] <gnomefreak> jfry: dont know why
[09:40] <jfry> gnomefreak: I use kubuntu, and previously xbuntu
[09:41] <gnomefreak> jfry: i have heard others say the same thing but i cant remember what it was
[09:41] <jfry> gnomefreak: is there an easy way to switch?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install grub?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> jfry: never used lilo
[09:41] <EmxBA> does someone have experience with cards that *work*? :)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> so i never had to switch
[09:42] <gnomefreak> !grub | jfry
[09:42] <ubotu> jfry: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:42] <gnomefreak> maybe it says it in those links
[09:42] <iXneonXi> Everyone? Should I ditch the AMD64 versions and stick with x86? I have Athlon64 but I read it is not worth it.
[09:42] <preglow> hi, is it just me, or are there no restricted modules for the amd64 lowlatency kernel?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: do you like flash mp3 dvds and so on
[09:43] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: yah
[09:43] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: go with 386
[09:43] <iXneonXi> roger
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or x86 even sorry
[09:43] <iXneonXi> is AMD64 only for people with insane amounts of RAM?
[09:43] <jfry> gnomefreak: thanks, I'll figure it out I'm sure
[09:44] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: not really you just dont have the things that x86 is able to do
[09:44] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: what's it's main purpose?
[09:44] <preglow> iXneonXi: not only, no, some types of code will also benefit from it without taking ram into consideration
[09:44] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: proc speed but i hear not much differnet
[09:45] <iXneonXi> So in reality, it can come in handy for servers and specific tasks, but not useful and somewhat counter-productive for a desktop user
[09:45] <preglow> iXneonXi: what makes you think it's counterproductive?
[09:45] <choudesh> iXneonXi, I would disagree.
[09:45] <iXneonXi> oh
[09:45] <gnomefreak> just about im sure there is a longer list but thats a good start
[09:45] <iXneonXi> well, support?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> support for main is good
[09:46] <choudesh> iXneonXi, 64-bit computing will go mainstream in about 5 years
[09:46] <iXneonXi> because people will have more memory
[09:46] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: when you get into universe and multiverse repos you will find alot of things dont work
[09:46] <iXneonXi> yah
[09:46] <johnnybuoy> counter-productive because eg. no flash plugin, and fewer apps in repos?
[09:46] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: for a desktop user
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> yes
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> laptop also ;P
[09:47] <iXneonXi> I'll go try Feisty Beta x86 this time
[09:47] <gnomefreak> general user
[09:47] <iXneonXi> hopefully Ubiquity won't screwup
[09:47] <choudesh> hmm... Places->CD/DVD Creator shouldn't show up if there isn't a CD/DVD burner
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> true..
[09:48] <choudesh> never understood why CD/DVD Creator was under places.
[09:48] <gnomefreak> choudesh: do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed or whatever the name is
[09:48] <Wille88> does anyone else have problem with gnome-main-menu since last update? it keeps crashing all the time on my computer.
[09:48] <choudesh> gnomefreak, yea.
[09:48] <gnomefreak> choudesh: uninstall it maybe it will go away?
[09:48] <xtknight> can't feisty play dvds out of the box more or less?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> xtknight: not out of box no
[09:49] <xtknight> or was that just mp3?  what all codecs did they make easier to use?
[09:49] <choudesh> gnomefreak, but it shouldn't be displayed if there is no burner. even if that package is installed. ;-)
[09:49] <gnomefreak> its easier to get codecs needed
[09:49] <gnomefreak> xtknight: mp3 mainly
[09:49] <xtknight> gnomefreak, would totem show a dialog if you tried to play a dvd?
[09:49] <choudesh> gnomefreak, I unhooked my burners because I installed a new power supply
[09:49] <gnomefreak> choudesh: so its ubuntus fault you installed the app?
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> is that app not in ubuntu-desktop?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> xtknight: i assume it would but i always get the codecs i need before trying to play
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> it is in the default install iirc
[09:50] <choudesh> gnomefreak, heh. I am just saying that if there isn't a device that supports it, it shouldn't show.
[09:50] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> so...
[09:51] <gnomefreak> choudesh: they made ubuntu-desktop depends on it because 90% of users have a burner. thinking (cant make everyone happy, make the masses happy)
[09:51] <choudesh> gnomefreak, true. I am just doing some UI tests/surveys.
[09:51] <johnnybuoy> why can't hal detect wether it's a cd burner or not?
[09:52] <iXneonXi> hmm
[09:52] <iXneonXi> it fits on a CD...
[09:52] <choudesh> gnomefreak, size wise or package wise?
[09:52] <iXneonXi> that's saying a lot for major desktops
[09:52] <gnomefreak> choudesh: the packages it depends on
[09:52] <choudesh> gnomefreak, ah.
[09:53] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <iXneonXi> oh
[09:53] <choudesh> already did.
[09:53] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: it sure could help stability
[09:53] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: but wouldnt make the masses happy
[09:53] <iXneonXi> right
[09:53] <iXneonXi> I would rather my computer to work than be loaded with everything
[09:53] <gnomefreak> the more you add to install the more users will switch from windows
[09:53] <choudesh> so what is up with launchpad?
[09:54] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:54] <iXneonXi> Windowsifying Linux
[09:54] <gnomefreak> launchpad worked last i saw
[09:54] <iXneonXi> it's just laggy
[09:54] <gnomefreak> its more of ease to use
[09:54] <johnnybuoy> heh
[09:54] <choudesh> John - can you hit launchpad?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: stable launchpad?
[09:54] <johnnybuoy> very strange
[09:55] <iXneonXi> bugs.launchpad.net is lagging badly for me
[09:55] <johnnybuoy> shipit can not accept non-ascii chars in names and addresses
[09:55] <iXneonXi> If I want all 3 (Xubuntu Ubuntu Kubuntu) should I just install Ubuntu first?
[09:55] <johnnybuoy> so what about africa and asia?
[09:55] <iXneonXi> and then add via apt?
[09:55] <choudesh> John is bugs.launchpad.net on another server or same as launchpad
[09:55] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[09:55] <iXneonXi> both lag for me
[09:56] <gnomefreak> same server if i had to bet on it
[09:56] <johnnybuoy> only one server?
[09:56] <choudesh> iXneonXi, I am seeing the lag. I can load launchpad, but not bugs
[09:56] <iXneonXi> they're both lagging for me
[09:56] <iXneonXi> but they load
[09:57] <johnnybuoy> this shipit is strange
[09:57] <choudesh> gnomefreak, nautilus-open-terminal should be part of ubuntu-desktop
[09:57] <johnnybuoy> how do they ship to africa or asia?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: mail?
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> heh
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> shipit can not accept non-ascii chars in names and addresses
[09:58] <gnomefreak> shipit hasnt opened for feisty yet has it?
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> digg it man ;)
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> that's why launchpad is lagging
[09:59] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:59] <iXneonXi> Launchpad got dugg again, for what?
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> shipit
[09:59] <iXneonXi> that was ages ago
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> ages?
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> wtf?
[09:59] <iXneonXi> wrong one
[09:59] <iXneonXi> lol
[10:00] <finalbeta> Well over a week ago though.
[10:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ubuntu decided tyo not boot into X anymore after a dist upgrade
[10:00] <iXneonXi> it said 5 days
[10:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> sitting here on a blank xserver saying it cant find the nvidia module even though its installed
[10:00] <askar> Hi! when the screensaver gets active and I want to use my computer again, i have to type my password..the problem is that my keyboard gets disabled..is that known bug?
[10:01] <johnnybuoy> don't happen here
[10:02] <iXneonXi> Back on the subject, if x86 installs fine without the partitioner crashing, I should assume it's a bug in Feisty AMD64 and not my computer hence uploading it on Launchpad for the good of the project?
[10:03] <johnnybuoy> askar, does the capslock light work?
[10:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ixorg is getting an api mixmatch it says kernel module has version 1.0-9755 but this x module has theversion 1.0-9631. how can i correct this to get x to laod?
[10:03] <johnnybuoy> nvidia?
[10:03] <cab10886> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch <<<< dudes?
[10:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> johnnybuoy: yeah
[10:04] <johnnybuoy> you have the legacy kernel module and the new X driver
[10:04] <johnnybuoy> decide, man which you wanna use
[10:04] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[10:04] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> johnnybuoy: how do i have a legacy?
[10:04] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> tis a brand new laptop and all i did was reboot it after a dist-upgrade
[10:04] <johnnybuoy> actually, the X driver is legacy
[10:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> tis a brand new laptop and all i did was reboot it after a dist-upgrade?
[10:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> woops
[10:05] <johnnybuoy> I have no idea how you installed the nvidia driver
[10:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> how can i reconfigure it?
[10:07] <cab10886> anyone have an idea what my new issue is?
[10:07] <cab10886> i'm trying to upgrade but it won't
[10:07] <cab10886> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch
[10:07] <johnnybuoy> well, the archive is corrupted, use a diifferent one or wait
[10:08] <cab10886> well... being that that's the official archive... and my connection is working... i guess I'll wait :(
[10:09] <johnnybuoy> well, dependig on where in the hell on the globe you are, it might be worth it to use a different mirror
[10:09] <finalbeta> !ohmy
[10:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:09] <johnnybuoy> sorry
[10:09] <johnnybuoy> I rephrase.
[10:09] <darx> hello folks
[10:10] <choudesh> !hi | darx
[10:10] <ubotu> darx: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[10:10] <darx> my pentium m 740 runs at 798mhz.. this is not the lowest speedstep frequency
[10:10] <darx> how can i fix it?
[10:11] <johnnybuoy> depending on where you are situated, it migh be worth it to change the mirror you are using, as this can lead to download speed boosts and doesn't put that heavy load on the ubuntu servers
[10:11] <johnnybuoy> cab10886,
[10:11] <mastertsunami> it's not?
[10:11] <mastertsunami> my pentium m runs that low as well, i always thought that was lowest
[10:11] <johnnybuoy> man, one has to be a polititian to do support
[10:11] <choudesh> darx, I've heard others say that.
[10:11] <darx> nope its 600mhz
[10:11] <darx> and the fan never stops thanks to that
[10:12] <zeroflag> one should think that when I'm porting windows source to linux, the first thing I do is change '\\' to '/'.
[10:12] <zeroflag> I worked arround it for 4 hours. >_<
[10:12] <johnnybuoy> heh
[10:12] <choudesh> darx, pastebin cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[10:12] <choudesh> !pastebin | darx
[10:12] <ubotu> darx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:12] <johnnybuoy> zeroflag, lol, windows source
[10:12] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> well this is lovely...
[10:12] <zeroflag> BUT!
[10:12] <darx> choudesh: i'm in windows now.. but i'm postive it starts from 798000
[10:12] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> in an update it broke my -13 kernel so now im stuck on -14
[10:12] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> where i have no sound
[10:12] <zeroflag> maybe I can build sharpdevelop on linux, soon. :P
[10:12] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> at all
[10:13] <Tom_g> zeroflag: whats the app?
[10:13] <choudesh> darx, check the scaling governers.
[10:14] <choudesh> darx, try, cpufreq-selector -f 600000
[10:14] <darx> choudesh: i've set the governor to powersave
[10:14] <Do``> is there something special that i should install on a freshly installed ubuntu to be able to play [original]  dvds?
[10:14] <choudesh> darx, what kernel version?
[10:14] <ada`ubuntu> Do``, codecs I guess
[10:14] <johnnybuoy> !codecs
[10:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:14] <darx> choudesh: the latest feisty
[10:15] <johnnybuoy> Do``, ^
[10:15] <Do``> ada`ubuntu: installed vlc, installed mplayer, used them both to play all kinds of videos, not mpeg2 but mplayer has ffdshow inside
[10:15] <ada`ubuntu> Do``, strange, I think I could play DVD after installing the gstreamer package
[10:15] <Do``> and none of them play the dvd, spin up dvd, list subs and dubs okay and fast, but no video
[10:15] <iXneonXi> Automatix - Bad?
[10:16] <Do``> what's the proper name of the gstreamer package?
[10:16] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  not necessarily
[10:16] <ada`ubuntu> Do``, search for gstreamer in the Add/Remove package handler stuff
[10:16] <iXneonXi> well
[10:17] <iXneonXi> I've heard lot's of conflicting views
[10:17] <Do``> oki -.-
[10:17] <iXneonXi> is it wrong to use Automatix to get stuff installed for you?
[10:17] <johnnybuoy> Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[10:17] <johnnybuoy> man..
[10:17] <Do``> ada`ubuntu: gstreamer ffmpeg video plugin installed, gsteamer extra plugins installed
[10:17] <darx> this is what cpuz has to say http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01ny7.jpg
[10:17] <Tom_g> iXneonXi its not really wrong, its not the nicest way to do things, but it gets things done
[10:18] <johnnybuoy> Do``, you should use the medibuntu repo
[10:18] <ada`ubuntu> is the Release Candidate coming soon of Feisty and will that be available for a seperate download or only via updates?
[10:18] <johnnybuoy> and install libdvdcss2
[10:18] <iXneonXi> Tom_g: does it messy things up?
[10:18] <choudesh> darx, not sure your problem. are you using the gnome-cpufreq applet?
[10:18] <Do``> medibuntu package hmm
[10:18] <Tom_g> iXneonXi they say it can do, but as long as you be careful with it, and use the right, stable version, you should be ok, why what are you wanting to install?
[10:19] <darx> choudesh: nope i'm in kde.. but i can get the clock from /proc/cpuinfo
[10:19] <iXneonXi> Tom_g: it's so easy to get all the codecs working right and the correct media players and then the proprietary software ^^;. It's a darngood installer, but It sure does add lots of repos
[10:20] <ada`ubuntu> iXneonXi, I feel more safe install programs by myself, what I need. GUess automatix is a typical 'worksforme' case
[10:21] <johnnybuoy> what's that?
[10:21] <johnnybuoy> !automatix
[10:21] <Do``> johnnybuoy: it says it cant install libdvdcss2 because it doesnt have an installation candidate
[10:21] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:21] <choudesh> darx, switch over to the performance governer
[10:21] <Tom_g> iXneonXi yea it is convenient, it would be much easier if they just got off their high horse included all the (legal) propreitary software (gfx drivers etc..) and hosted repos for the illegal stuff (libdvdcss) in countries that are not covered by the laws, and make them easy to enable
[10:21] <johnnybuoy> !worksforme
[10:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:21] <darx> choudesh: what are to getting at?
[10:22] <darx> *you
[10:22] <ada`ubuntu> !pidgin
[10:22] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept - At the time of feisty's final freeze, Pidgin has not been released, so Pidgin will not be going into feisty.  Expect Pidgin in feisty+1!  See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info
[10:22] <johnnybuoy> Do``, use the medibuntu repo
[10:23] <Do``> wget -q http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - <- already added to the list
[10:23] <choudesh> darx, did a bit a digging, seems 798 is the lowest speed step
[10:23] <Do``> and updated too.
[10:23] <darx> choudesh: no it is not
[10:23] <choudesh> darx, nope 600, 800 (798)...
[10:23] <darx> did you check the link
[10:23] <choudesh> darx, I was looking at the specification for it
[10:23] <iXneonXi> so if I want to keep clean I should just bite the bullet and do things myself pretty much?
[10:24] <darx> i'm sorry i didn't catch you
[10:24] <darx> 600 is not 798 is it?
[10:24] <johnnybuoy> Do``, that's not enough, you need to add the repo to sources.list
[10:24] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  to be sure its ok, yea
[10:24] <johnnybuoy> !medibuntu
[10:24] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[10:24] <Do``> dumb guide -.-
[10:24] <Do``> thanks
[10:24] <choudesh> darx, cpufreq-selector -f 0, should put you in the lowest available speed step
[10:25] <darx> but the lowest available scaling is 798000
[10:25] <darx> can i go lower than that?
[10:26] <Do``> and it works, thank you
[10:26] <Tom_g> wooooo a half decent ffmpeg!
[10:26] <iXneonXi> so what's the status on Beryl/Compiz on ATI cards? I have a 9600XT 256 and was wondering if it's worth it to take the plunge...
[10:26] <choudesh> darx, sorta. another hint to go about is add cpufreq.debug=2 to your kernel
[10:27] <darx> do you have a link where i can read bout these
[10:27] <darx> i cant seem to find any
[10:27] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  xgl's working fine 4 me
[10:27] <iXneonXi> Tom_g: did you have to compile?
[10:27] <darx> i'll try ur suggestions
[10:27] <choudesh> just search for cpufreq.debug=2
[10:28] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  i couldnt use standard beryl, had to use another repo
[10:28] <iXneonXi> what's your card?
[10:28] <Tom_g> 9800
[10:28] <darx> choudesh: where did you see that 798 is the lowest spec frequency? i had to resort to cpuz
[10:28] <Tom_g> pro! :P lol
[10:29] <iXneonXi> Hmm
[10:29] <iXneonXi> R350 core and R360 aren't all that different, I guess if it works fine for you it should be fine for me
[10:29] <choudesh> darx, I was looking at the pentium M spec.
[10:29] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  try it with starting xgl from login screen, then you can always revert v easy
[10:30] <choudesh> darx, 800 was the lowest on some early models.
[10:30] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  and you can just relogin to play games
[10:30] <choudesh> darx, just search for the pentium M spec
[10:30] <iXneonXi> Tom_g: what's best way to set it up like that
[10:30] <darx> choudesh: thats true.. but there must be some config file or something where i can manually set the frequency
[10:30] <OTIS> Question about Updates - Is there a way to automatically skip downloading huge updates with only trivial fixes?
[10:31] <choudesh> darx - not that I know of.
[10:31] <darx> the documentation is lacking in ubuntu
[10:31] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  give me ur email and ill send u the files if u want, pm would be best, unless u want spam
[10:31] <choudesh> darx, I just use cpufreq-selector
[10:32] <darx> but these apps work on top of the base frequencies
[10:32] <choudesh> wow, I freaking butchered that
[10:32] <Tom_g> iXneonXi  becuase of python v, you gotta modify the beryl-settings script for it to work
[10:32] <iXneonXi> I pm'd =P
[10:32] <iXneonXi> Tom_g: put all that in the email xD
[10:34] <iXneonXi> wh00t
[10:34] <iXneonXi> Feisty is done downloading
[10:34] <apol> it is very strange, everytime I miss the command I am typing it lasts something like 1 sec to tell me that it was wrong
[10:34] <frojnd> can someone help me on that one. I can't play avi file. What do I have to fix in kaffeine or gxine player. Here is the output of an error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15116/
[10:34] <apol> anybody knows why?
[10:35] <mastertsunami> frojnd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:35] <johnnybuoy> !codecs | frojnd
[10:35] <ubotu> frojnd: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:36] <frojnd> how can I install vlc
[10:36] <frojnd> ?
[10:36] <frojnd> there isn't any vlc package
[10:37] <johnnybuoy> !info vlc
[10:37] <frojnd> when I search for it it's only
[10:37] <frojnd> libx264-dev - a free library for encoding H264/AVC video streams
[10:37] <frojnd> x264-bin - a free library for encoding H264/AVC video streams
[10:37] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[10:37] <johnnybuoy> yes there is, you see
[10:37] <frojnd> maybe under other name?
[10:38] <johnnybuoy> because you might not have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[10:39] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> well 2 1/2 weeks of no sound and ubuntu is about to be released as a fine version with this... guess i'll be switching to another flavor of linux
[10:39] <xopher> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, what have you tried to do?
[10:39] <xopher> to fix it..
[10:39] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Xappe: i worked with crimsun for over a week and also followed various ubuntu-forums howtos
[10:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i even wnet as far as to compile alsa from scratch
[10:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and configure it myself
[10:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> still, not working.
[10:40] <xopher> well then you must have tried everything.. :) A rar(er) card or something common?
[10:41] <mastertsunami> yah what card is it
[10:41] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its hda-intel! one of the most common laptop ones!
[10:41] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> thats what makes this so frustrating! it works in kernel's all up till -14
[10:41] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> -14 is broke
[10:41] <frojnd> johnnybuoy: that's wierd ... I think I have: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15117/
[10:41] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and thats going to be the kernel feisty ships with... so i'll be leaving ubuntu i guess
[10:41] <mastertsunami> that's retarded, just go to kernel -13 :/
[10:42] <choudesh> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, wait up.
[10:42] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i was on kernel 13
[10:42] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and a dist-upgrade broke it and my nvidia drivers
[10:42] <choudesh> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, what is the output of lspci | grep Intel
[10:42] <xopher> you can compile your own..
[10:42] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, really strange, the package name is vl
[10:42] <johnnybuoy> vlc
[10:42] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: i am not going to go thru this much trouble to make ubuntu work
[10:42] <xopher> what's different in -14 compared to -13 anyway?
[10:42] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its not worth it... when another distro will simply work.
[10:42] <frojnd> :S
[10:42] <frojnd> I'm doomed
[10:42] <OTIS> Update question:  Is it standard Ubuntu practice to push out package updates for every little bug fix, or is that just a beta thing?  (For instance, OpenOffice 2.2 has had at least 2 updates for things that don't really matter & could have been held to bundle into a larger update.)
[10:43] <choudesh> the issue is some people think they have a Intel HD ICH7, but they have a winmodem with the intelHDA
[10:43] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: do you want the entire input of that pasted?
[10:43] <enyc> OTIS: hrrm note that openoffice.org is in main and on the release cd....
[10:43] <ada`ubuntu> is the Release Candidate coming soon of Feisty and will that be available for a seperate download or only via updates?
[10:43] <xopher> I dont think it'll help you.. not my field of expertise anyway.
[10:43] <mon^rch> my network keeps getting dropped fo no reason whatsoever. can someone PLEASE help me? I want to use ubuntu, but can't if I have no network :(
[10:43] <xopher> ada`ubuntu, probably a separate download too
[10:44] <enyc> OTIS: -updates and -security are diggerentf matter... and they appyl AFTER release.. BEFORE release is different matter...
[10:44] <enyc> OTIS: also, -universe / -multiverse  ... not apply to release-CD and also works differently again,  I think
[10:44] <frojnd> looks like I won't get vlc cause of my strange multiverse universe http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15117/
[10:44] <xopher> mon^rch, have you tried removing network-manager?
[10:44] <xopher> it's causing problems for some
[10:44] <ada`ubuntu> xopher, probably means how much chance? :) never followed Ubuntu releases this close so I dont know if they give out RC downlaods or not
[10:44] <enyc> ada`ubuntu: there is supposed to be a RC version tomorro
[10:45] <xopher> ada`ubuntu, well IIRC, there was rc-downloads of edgy too, so quite a big chance ;)
[10:45] <mon^rch> xopher: you mean just the panel applet, or the whole package?
[10:45] <ada`ubuntu> xopher, enyc, thanks :)
[10:45] <xopher> the whole package, because they're connected :P
[10:46] <OTIS> enyc: I'm noticing a lot of large downloads in the update manager for very trivial fixes, like typos.   I'm just wondering if that will continue after the release.
[10:46] <mon^rch> xopher: I will try that ( was thinking about that, actually) thanks for the tip... will be back :)
[10:46] <binskipy2u> whatcha'll think bout fiesty?
[10:46] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> binskipy2u: its broke for me
[10:46] <enyc> OTIS: no, probably not
[10:46] <enyc> OTIS: see... ugs to be fixed before release...
[10:47] <binskipy2u> im waiting for that dude to make ubuntu ultimate 1.4 based on fiesty
[10:47] <binskipy2u> with all the goodies
[10:47] <binskipy2u> live dvd
[10:47] <mastertsunami> o_O
[10:47] <xopher> has worked without any problems for ~1month now :p people are experiencing some minor problem though, except t3hwiz0rd-ibook - who has a major one :P
[10:47] <xopher> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, have you tried a clean install?
[10:47] <enyc> OTIS: that sort of thing is normal... if you dont want this... dont use pre-release ;-)
[10:47] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, apt-get install vlc doesn't work?
[10:47] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: over nad over and over... one more clean isntall and i'll be forced to throw my new laptop out the window
[10:47] <xopher> error?
[10:47] <xopher> please don't, mail it to me instead ;)
[10:48] <OTIS> enyc: OK, I can live with it during beta.  Just wondering if it is standard Ubuntu practice.  (I"m new to Ubuntu, coming from commercial *nix)
[10:48] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: well tis not the laptops falt... tis specific to ubuntu
[10:48] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> fedora core ran no problem, suse ran no problem
[10:48] <enyc> OTIS: note that the term 'commercial' can be misleading......
[10:48] <xopher> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, well if you're satisfied with those, then why not use them..
[10:48] <choudesh> but do those distros have such a loving community has ubuntu? ;-)
[10:48] <xopher> choudesh, point ;)
[10:49] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: i felt loyalty to ubuntu.
[10:49] <frojnd> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[10:49] <choudesh> !info vlc | frojnd
[10:49] <ubotu> frojnd: vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1131 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[10:49] <OTIS> enyc: I used to run pre-alpha Solaris in production environments...
[10:49] <choudesh> OTIS, I pitty you.
[10:49] <choudesh> frojnd, go to Application->Add/Remove Programs
[10:50] <OTIS> choudesh: naw, it was good
[10:50] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> well i'll remain on windows for 14 days
[10:50] <choudesh> frojnd, search for VLC
[10:50] <xopher> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, have you tried compiling your own kernel then? ;)
[10:50] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> we'll see how feisty's final release works on livecd
[10:50] <frojnd> choudesh: ok
[10:50] <xopher> Im sure that'l works
[10:50] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> xopher: i said im not gonna work that elaborate on ubuntu
[10:50] <xopher> -'l
[10:50] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> at that rate i may as well do gentoo
[10:50] <xopher> ..and make such things a lot easier too :P
[10:51] <choudesh> frojnd, did you find it?
[10:51] <frojnd> choudesh: its blank only on left side is multimedia some icon
[10:51] <frojnd> but at Application (multimedia) is nothing
[10:51] <choudesh> frojnd, o, click on Show, then select all available
[10:52] <choudesh> frojnd, then click on ALL and research for VLC
[10:54] <frojnd> then select all available: there istn't any all available
[10:54] <frojnd> choudesh
[10:55] <mon^rch> now let's see how long before my network gets dropped.... (crosses fingers)
[10:56] <binskipy2u> anyone else check out that feature that finds the codec(s ) you need?
[10:56] <choudesh> frojnd, under the Show pane in the upper right.
[10:56] <choudesh> frojnd, click on the dropdown arrow and select All avaiable applications
[10:56] <xipietotec> anyone else having a problem with mplayer simply not working?
[10:56] <OTIS> another process question:  What's the proper way to get some attention for a pet bug?  It's been sitting at 'Importance: undecided" with no visible action for a couple of months.
[10:56] <choudesh> OTIS, which bug?
[10:56] <OTIS> choudesh: 84591
[10:58] <frojnd> choudesh: look at my screen shot: http://shrani.si/files/snapshot5xyjv.jpg
[10:58] <choudesh> frojnd, heh. your using KDE.
[10:58] <choudesh> frojnd, heh.
[10:59] <greg_g> binskipy2u: yeah, it works for totem player
[10:59] <choudesh> !apt-get | frojnd
[10:59] <ubotu> frojnd: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:59] <choudesh> !adept | frojnd
[10:59] <ubotu> frojnd: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:00] <choudesh> frojnd, look in there on how to enable the univ. repo.
[11:00] <choudesh> !vlc | choudesh
[11:00] <johnnybuoy> choudesh, he has universe and multiverse enabled
[11:00] <choudesh> johnnybuoy, then he should see it.
[11:00] <choudesh> johnnybuoy, not sure why apt-get install vlc isn't working for him.
[11:01] <choudesh> frojnd, pastebin what you get for `apt-get install vlc*`
[11:02] <johnnybuoy> choudesh, here is his sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15117/
[11:02] <choudesh> frojnd, did you do an `apt-get update`
[11:02] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15126/  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15126/
[11:02] <frojnd> choudesh: funny thing is that I was able to play that avi untill last update and upgrade..
[11:03] <choudesh> frojnd, apt-install vlc*
[11:03] <choudesh> frojnd, apt-get install vlc*
[11:03] <xipietotec> okay....does anyone else's mplayer actually *work* in feisty? maybe that's a better way to ask the question
[11:03] <johnnybuoy> don't use mplayer...
[11:03] <clever[rev] > xipietotec: im using a copy of mplayer built from source
[11:03] <OTIS> xipietotec: yeah. for some files, it is the only player that works for me
[11:04] <clever[rev] > i built it in 6.06 but it still works in 6.10
[11:04] <johnnybuoy> (I don't use mplayer)
[11:04] <clever[rev] > and im in the middle of upgrading to 7.04
[11:04] <xipietotec> ......I use from the repos...and it won't load at all
[11:04] <frojnd> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15127/
[11:04] <johnnybuoy> use vlc, vlc is good for ya
[11:04] <clever[rev] > vlc needs a mouse:P
[11:04] <Tomgill> vlcs great
[11:04] <Tomgill> lol
[11:05] <clever[rev] > i can control ALL of mpayer with just a keyboard
[11:05] <frojnd> I  CAN'T GET VLC ...
[11:05] <johnnybuoy> :)
[11:05] <xipietotec> mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdirectfb-0.9.so.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (this version does not even exist in the repositories)
[11:05] <clever[rev] > and i can even control it with a usb gamepad
[11:05] <choudesh> frojnd, did you do `apt-get update`
[11:05] <frojnd> look at my sources list and help if u can see what's wrong with mulitverse universe: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15116/
[11:05] <johnnybuoy> Note, selecting libservlet2.4-java for regex 'vlc*'
[11:05] <johnnybuoy> lol
[11:06] <choudesh> johnnybuoy, yea. something is screwy
[11:06] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, do an apt-get update
[11:06] <choudesh> johnnybuoy, only said that three times so far. ;-)
[11:06] <frojnd> johnnybuoy: I am doing apt update every 3hours..
[11:06] <johnnybuoy> ah..
[11:06] <johnnybuoy> choudesh, I know :)
[11:06] <frojnd> and I enabled uni/mulit the first time I ran feisty..
[11:06] <choudesh> frojnd, can I ssh into your machine?
[11:07] <frojnd> choudesh: no..
[11:07] <xipietotec> bug 105681
[11:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 105681 in mplayer "Mplayer will not load at all after upgrading to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105681
[11:07] <choudesh> frojnd, ok.
[11:07] <johnnybuoy> :D
[11:08] <choudesh> heh
[11:08] <iXneonXi> I'm back...
[11:08] <choudesh> johnnybuoy, well, it would be faster and easier so I can see what is going on.
[11:08] <frojnd> u can connect via rdc
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> choudesh, I know
[11:08] <frojnd> so I can see what are u up to..
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> rdc?
[11:08] <choudesh> rdc?
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> what's rdc?
[11:08] <iXneonXi> The install failed again guys, I'm still in the LiveCD
[11:08] <frojnd> remote desktop connection
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> ah
[11:08] <choudesh> o, rdp
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> terminal client
[11:08] <johnnybuoy> rdp?
[11:09] <choudesh> remote desktop protocol
[11:09] <johnnybuoy> remote desktop protocol
[11:09] <johnnybuoy> lol
[11:09] <frojnd> johnnybuoy: I  have krdc on my computer..
[11:09] <choudesh> frojnd, ok. I can do it that way
[11:09] <johnnybuoy> dunno, you talk with choudesh about it :D
[11:09] <iXneonXi> Could someone please tell me whether  [ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2437586 ]  is an issue involving my computer or Ubiquity?
[11:10] <johnnybuoy> ??
[11:10] <choudesh> No one likes me...they all love XT, but no, not choudes. ;-)
[11:10] <choudesh> frojnd, address of your computer and login?
[11:10] <johnnybuoy> heh
[11:10] <mon^rch> so is ntfs-3g a standarg in feisty now? I just noticed it got downloaded while updating...
[11:10] <frojnd> choudesh: can u wait 2min
[11:10] <frojnd> choudesh: can u wait 2min
[11:11] <frojnd> choudesh: that apt finishes.. don't have 100MB+
[11:11] <gharz> guys, anybody here who's using network-manager-pptp?
[11:11] <choudesh> frojnd, nope. I'm on a schedule here. got to help 100 people within 5 hours or shuttleworth throws a chair.
[11:11] <johnnybuoy> iXneonXi, well, I had troubles with the feisty partitioner, I'd say install gparted, partition from there and the start the installation process
[11:11] <choudesh> frojnd, ;-)
[11:11] <frojnd> choudesh: suit yourself... but u will see 3frames on hour ;)
[11:11] <frojnd> per*
[11:11] <johnnybuoy> LOL
[11:11] <choudesh> frojnd, I was joking. ;-)
[11:11] <frojnd> me too
[11:12] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: what was your issues with it? Also, the partitioner still loads in the installer no matter what...
[11:12] <johnnybuoy> it will load, but you can just say where it will install and that's all, I think I could go past the br0ken new ubiquity partitioner
[11:13] <johnnybuoy> iXneonXi,
[11:13] <frojnd> damn, I have only client krdc... I need to install vnc or rdc
[11:14] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: I have a free ext2 partition. If I want to install to that, where in the installer would I say "install here". Wouldn't I have to choose "manual" and then the partitioner loads where I'll have to mount that as "/" ? In that case it would still crash
[11:14] <johnnybuoy> hmm...
[11:15] <johnnybuoy> strange, I somehow did it though
[11:15] <johnnybuoy> don't remember how
[11:15] <johnnybuoy> twice, I did it
[11:15] <choudesh> iXneonXi, manual partition
[11:15] <choudesh> !install | iXneonXi
[11:15] <iXneonXi> choudesh: manual partition is what gives the errors
[11:15] <ubotu> iXneonXi: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[11:15] <Jimmy-_> is there any way to get desktop effects turned on with an ati x300 ?
[11:15] <choudesh> really - it may be that stupid resize bug
[11:16] <Jimmy-_> or am i just screwed until ati releases a compatible driver?
[11:16] <mon^rch> xopher: so far so good.... sure hope getting rid of network-manager did the trick :/
[11:16] <iXneonXi> I'm not resizing but that oculd be the bug
[11:17] <johnnybuoy> iXneonXi, isn't it that you simply can't get past the partitioner cause it crashes the whole install?
[11:17] <billy> strange.  network manager says I have no connection, but here I am, surfing the web and chatting away.
[11:18] <johnnybuoy> billy, yes, I have this, when booting into feisty with a network cable
[11:18] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: it goes to the next step and Ubiquity is detected by the Crash Detector
[11:18] <johnnybuoy> so many regressions, it's amazing
[11:18] <billy> johnnybuoy: ah, well, nothing to worry about, i don't guess.
[11:19] <johnnybuoy> yeah, still
[11:19] <frojnd> choudesh: still here?
[11:19] <choudesh> frojnd, of course
[11:19] <billy> oh wait ... is release date the 19th or -the week of- the 19th.
[11:19] <frojnd> ok I've installed vncserver
[11:19] <johnnybuoy> I can't unmount my external usb hdd, my sd card doesn't get mounted, and here is iXneonXi who can't install
[11:19] <billy> awesome, maybe it'll be sooner than later.
[11:19] <mon^rch> billy: network-manager was telling me I was connected... but I wasn't :/
[11:20] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: I hope they get the install issues fixed before the 19th ^^;;
[11:20] <billy> mon^rch: hmm . . . lots of complaints about network manager it seems.
[11:21] <johnnybuoy> I wonder, when will the opensource software start to make non-bloated software?
[11:21] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: shouldn't that be restated to when will the entire development community start to make non-bloated software?
[11:22] <johnnybuoy> yes, true
[11:22] <johnnybuoy> windoze ahead, of course
[11:22] <johnnybuoy> followed by close by novell
[11:22] <frojnd> choudesh: that sux don't know how to use vncserver I installed it and now it says that log file is in some path.. nothing more..
[11:22] <johnnybuoy> use tightvnc
[11:23] <iXneonXi> VNC over SSH is my hero
[11:23] <johnnybuoy> wtf
[11:23] <johnnybuoy> man...
[11:23] <iXneonXi> It let's me get everything done at school
[11:23] <johnnybuoy> if you use something over ssh, why not use X over ssh?
[11:23] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: because school runs XP
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> lol
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> ah!
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> well, XP is bloatier than feisty
[11:24] <iXneonXi> don't even mention vista xD
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> what about little 10 gig big vista?
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> heh
[11:24] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[11:24] <iXneonXi> ;) ;) VNC clients are available for Windows. So is X, but it's a bit more glitchy and school would notice if I had X11 running
[11:25] <johnnybuoy> lol
[11:25] <johnnybuoy> you can't run windowed X?
[11:25] <Jimmy-_> is there any way to get desktop effects turned on with an ati x300 ?
[11:25] <Jimmy-_> or am i just screwed until ati releases a compatible driver?
[11:25] <iXneonXi> They don't want us running all sortsa extra software so I have to use portable apps
[11:26] <johnnybuoy> ah
[11:26] <johnnybuoy> servicepack @ lol
[11:27] <iXneonXi> heh
[11:27] <johnnybuoy> Jimmy-_, well, you can use it, just it's really hard to config and it's very unstable
[11:27] <johnnybuoy> and by the way, ATI sux because of their drivers
[11:27] <iXneonXi> !automate
[11:27] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[11:27] <johnnybuoy> but you definitely can try, Jurgeni
[11:28] <johnnybuoy> Jimmy-_,
[11:28] <johnnybuoy> Jimmy-_, hint: you would use XGL
[11:28] <Jimmy-_> johnnybuoy, so beryl?
[11:28] <johnnybuoy> Jimmy-_, and you can get help in #ubuntu-effects I think
[11:28] <johnnybuoy> !effects
[11:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:28] <iXneonXi> Anyone thing the Alternative CD might help
[11:28] <iXneonXi> As in, not crash?
[11:28] <frojnd> choudesh: if ur still interested in connecting and helping me with this out.. please let me know
[11:30] <iXneonXi> Be back soon, I'm going into Windows so I can get more stuff burnt, namely the Alternate install CD for Feisty. If I can't install, I'll simply wait till the 19th, or try Etch
[11:30] <choudesh> frojnd, sorry about that
[11:31] <choudesh> guess my network didn't like that stream
[11:32] <choudesh> !ping | choudesh
[11:32] <frojnd> choudesh: I can create personal invitation with krfb
[11:32] <frojnd> so u get password
[11:32] <frojnd> and u can connecto to my external I
[11:32] <frojnd> IP
[11:33] <frojnd> problem is that don't know which port do I have to forward.. since I have router..
[11:33] <choudesh> just add your interal IP as a DMZ. then just shut it off
[11:34] <frojnd> choudesh: ok I found where to set
[11:34] <frojnd> I just forward it and u'll be rady to go
[11:36] <johnnybuoy> Jimmy-_, if you want beryl, check wiki.beryl-project.org
[11:36] <frojnd> choudesh: can I tell u on private the password?
[11:36] <frojnd> don't wanna 100users watching and using my desktop..
[11:36] <johnnybuoy> that'll help you start off
[11:36] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, I wannawannawanna
[11:37] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[11:38] <billy> firestarter failing to start on boot for anyone else?
[11:38] <choudesh> frojnd, sorry about that again.
[11:38] <frojnd> np
[11:39] <frojnd> did u get pass and everything?
[11:40] <frojnd> choudesh: any luck?
[11:40] <Gogogo111> Hey guys, If I was to download 7.04 BETA would it be easy to upgrade to FULL 7.04 when it comes out on the 19th?
[11:41] <gharz> guys, i'm trying to run pptp connection using network-manager-pptp... the connection that i created is shaded (meaning it's not clickable)... any idea? please help.
[11:41] <mon^rch> hrm, synaptic stays in my "window list" no matter which desk I use. only while running compiz though. is this a know thing?
[11:41] <choudesh> frojnd, vnc or rdp?
[11:41] <frojnd> vnc
[11:41] <johnnybuoy> Gogogo111, even before that, you can update packages
[11:41] <iXneonXi> Gogogo111: my understanding is all you'd need to do is run the updater
[11:41] <johnnybuoy> all along
[11:41] <Gogogo111> iXneonXi: ok thank you!
[11:42] <frojnd> ur in by the way--- choudesh
[11:42] <frojnd> why did u closed? choudesh?
[11:43] <johnnybuoy> choudesh, heh, how's it working?
[11:44] <mon^rch> xopher: thanks for the network-manager tip! still connected, and very happy about it (sigh)
[11:44] <choudesh> frojnd, do you use sudo or su?
[11:44] <frojnd> sudo
[11:46] <efface> quick question, when i boot my comp, it is loading an older module of nvidia....so X wont load, so i have to go to term and rmmod nvidia, modprobe nvidia, gdm start.  How can i fix this problem?
[11:47] <choudesh> frojnd, it is way too slow, I can't type
[11:47] <iXneonXi> Should I give up if the alternate CD's installer fails?
[11:47] <frojnd> choudesh: sorry
[11:47] <frojnd> my brother was using torrents..
[11:47] <choudesh> frojnd, ssh?
[11:47] <iXneonXi> ><;;
[11:47] <frojnd> so bandwith was a little crappy..
[11:48] <iXneonXi> lol, BT is maxing my connection
[11:48] <AngryElf> from my fiesty BETA box ssh client has a 5-10 second delay connecting to any ssh server -- the delay doesn't exist from other boxes...what's with that?
[11:48] <frojnd> choudesh: try again
[11:48] <iXneonXi> AngryElf: mine delays and I run Etch
[11:48] <frojnd> will see how will go..
[11:49] <pagan0ne> can someone help me mount a ntfs drive in feisty fawn beta??
[11:50] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, if you want to see what choudesh does in ssh, you still can with screen -x
[11:50] <frojnd> johnnybuoy: check pm
[11:50] <johnnybuoy> ???
[11:50] <frojnd> sorry
[11:50] <johnnybuoy> I didn't get a pm from you
[11:50] <thompa> I can't run either compiz or beryl with nividia on this box, but on macbook works fine. (geforce 7300 GS)
[11:50] <frojnd> choudesh
[11:50] <choudesh> frojnd, lets just use ssh
[11:50] <frojnd> check pm
[11:50] <frojnd> ok
[11:51] <iXneonXi> "screen-x" are yall sharing apps?
[11:51] <choudesh> I am likely to commit suicide a slow connection. I am use to my net...anything in the world in under 10 minutes
[11:51] <thompa> i think its 9631 driver
[11:52] <Kristano> i have a bit of an ubuntu-n00b question
[11:52] <frojnd> choudesh: ok
[11:52] <frojnd> u can go in
[11:52] <Kristano> who comes up with the names for the ubuntu distributions?
[11:52] <johnnybuoy> !ask
[11:52] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:52] <thompa> vaio nvidia is working with beryl stuff fine too
[11:53] <billy> Kristano: someone at Canonical, I think.
[11:53] <Kristano> really
[11:53] <Kristano> hmm
[11:53] <rsk> i think there is a draft at the wiki Kristano
[11:53] <rsk> you can suggest releasenames
[11:53] <Kristano> okay, just been wondering-- aside: is Feisty really stable?
[11:53] <iXneonXi> Kristano: I can't even install it.
[11:53] <rsk> its beta
[11:53] <rsk> and will be releases 19 april
[11:53] <Kristano> uh oh
[11:53] <billy> Kristano: still in development.  stable enough for me though.
[11:53] <rsk> then it will be stable
[11:54] <rsk> not sooner ;)
[11:54] <Kristano> k
[11:54] <thompa> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html is out
[11:54] <Kristano> well: situation follows:
[11:54] <thompa> im going to see if that fixes beryl
[11:54] <Kristano> tried an over-night distribution upgrade
[11:54] <Kristano> from Edgy to Feisty
[11:54] <mon^rch> holy cow, eh? is it me or is feist running waster than when I first intalled it?
[11:54] <choudesh> frojnd, bad password
[11:55] <iXneonXi> I have an idea
[11:55] <mon^rch> *faster
[11:55] <Kristano> During that time my computer halted
[11:55] <iXneonXi> If I can't install Ubuntu Feisty Beta, think I could install 6.10 and do a Feisty upgrade?
[11:55] <billy> mon^rch: it's not you.  it's running faster.
[11:55] <johnnybuoy> yes, that shold work
[11:55] <rsk> iXneonXi sure
[11:55] <thompa> mon^rch: youve been upgrading for one, then there is cache
[11:55] <billy> mon^rch: mine's to the point where it's blazing.
[11:55] <johnnybuoy> I did it, and it worked perfectly
[11:55] <mon^rch> billy: I mean greased lightning and I only have 512 ram
[11:55] <iXneonXi> rsk: and if it fails, I have a filesystem error X_X ?
[11:55] <Kristano> When i came back I got this weird "Kernel panic" thing
[11:55] <thompa> i got 2G ram on everything also
[11:55] <johnnybuoy> iXneonXi, do not use apt-get dist-upgrade for such an upgrade
[11:56] <johnnybuoy> use update-manager or aptitude
[11:56] <johnficca> I can't open gedit with sudo, it just gets stuck for like two minutes then it stops
[11:56] <frojnd> choudesh: try again
[11:56] <billy> mon^rch:  like snot on a doornob in the summertime.  and I run compiz.
[11:56] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: link me to a page
[11:56] <johnnybuoy> ?
[11:56] <iXneonXi> well
[11:56] <thompa> actually some really crappy low end machines worked real well with 256
[11:56] <iXneonXi> for updating to the beta
[11:56] <johnnybuoy> no page, just upgrade the default install
[11:56] <iXneonXi> ok
[11:56] <choudesh> frojnd, nope
[11:56] <mon^rch> billy: yeah I'm running compiz too! just gorgeous!
[11:56] <frojnd> choudesh: I reset in but it should be the same as the first time
[11:56] <iXneonXi> if 6.10 fails
[11:56] <johnnybuoy> iXneonXi, worked perfectly well here
[11:56] <iXneonXi> should I assume that the filesystem is borked?
[11:56] <frojnd> choudesh: maybe it's prot
[11:56] <frojnd> port
[11:56] <frojnd> I change it
[11:56] <billy> mon^rch: the "desktop effects", or compiz
[11:56] <billy> ?
[11:56] <iXneonXi> I can still read files from it =(
[11:57] <billy> !find libanimation.so feisty
[11:57] <johnficca> I do this sudo gedit /etc/inetd.conf, and it just gets stuck and nothing happens
[11:57] <ubotu> File libanimation.so found in beryl-plugins, beryl-plugins-dbg
[11:57] <billy> dangit!
[11:57] <mon^rch> billy: aren't desktop effects compiz.... confused :/
[11:57] <iXneonXi> cool scripts
[11:57] <frojnd> choudesh: check pm
[11:57] <billy> mon^rch: i think you're right.
[11:57] <voidmage> yeah, "desktop effects" is a stripped-down version of compiz
[11:58] <Kristano> I'm mainly a programmer/communicator/gamer, and none very serious. I have Ubuntu mainly and dual-boot into a Wintendo.  Do you suggest Feisty installation for me?
[11:58] <johnnybuoy> ahaaa!
[11:58] <johnficca> any ideas?
[11:58] <mon^rch> Yeah I think I am too
[11:58] <voidmage> wintendo?
[11:58] <johnnybuoy> that's why there is no cube in desktop-effects
[11:58] <johnnybuoy> !!!
[11:58] <Kristano> (Windows used only for games)
[11:58] <billy> there's a cube johnnybuoy
[11:58] <Kristano> old usenet slang
[11:58] <iXneonXi> lol
[11:58] <billy> ctrl-alt-leftclick
[11:58] <voidmage> i just found something on SF about
[11:58] <voidmage> it
[11:58] <voidmage> seems nice
[11:58] <iXneonXi> that is an awesome nickname
[11:58] <frojnd> choudesh: still can't login?
[11:59] <iXneonXi> I use Wintendo too
[11:59] <johnnybuoy> billy, there is an option for it, but it don't work
[11:59] <mon^rch> johnnybuoy: when I switch my "workspaces" there is a nice animation like a cube... :/ wtf?
[11:59] <johnnybuoy> strange...
[11:59] <voidmage> yeah, that's compiz
[11:59] <Kristano> I used to use my VM for gaming but it's too slow so I dual-boot now
[11:59] <johnnybuoy> I don't get that, though I have the cube option ticked
[11:59] <choudesh> frojnd, nope. password doesn't work
[11:59] <voidmage> i'd dual boot
[11:59] <billy> johnnybuoy: sure it does.  make sure you've got 4 (or five or six) viewpoints.
[12:00] <voidmage> but i hate having to reboot just to play games
[12:00] <Kristano> lol
[12:00] <johnnybuoy> billy, I do.
[12:00] <Kristano> i'm a one-track-session sorta guy
[12:00] <mon^rch> johnnybuoy: I think I can help you fix it.... do you have 4 workspaces or 2?
[12:00] <Kristano> if i get on to play a game, thats what i do
[12:00] <Kristano> if i get on to chat, thats what i do
[12:00] <Kristano> etc.
[12:00] <frojnd> choudesh: that's strange
[12:00] <johnnybuoy> mon^rch, I have 4
[12:00] <choudesh> frojnd, you try. ssh choudesh@localhost
[12:01] <johnnybuoy> but when I switch'em, I only get a fade animation
[12:01] <johnnybuoy> mon^rch,
[12:01] <voidmage> maybe there's a fade animation you have set instead of cube?
[12:01] <voidmage> (i use beryl so i don't know much about compiz, let alone desktop-effects)
[12:01] <billy> johnnybuoy: open Configuration Editor.  Applications>System>configuration Editor.  If you don't have it, add it by right clicking the menu.
[12:01] <frojnd> choudesh: yes it works
[12:02] <KristanoEsperant> ...
[12:02] <johnnybuoy> billy, gconf-editor, I suppose?
[12:02] <Kristano> hmmm
[12:02] <Kristano> weird... cutoff
[12:02] <choudesh> frojnd, odd.
[12:02] <choudesh> frojnd, it works now.
[12:02] <frojnd> kewl..
[12:02] <mon^rch> ok do this: gconf-editor --> apps -->compiz --> general --> screen0 --> -->options AND change horiz size to 4 AND numberof desktops to 1 "voila"
[12:02] <billy> johnnybuoy: I don't know about gconf-editor.  try it.  Go to apps>compiz>screen0>options.
[12:02] <frojnd> choudesh; so how does that screen -x work :)
[12:03] <billy> yeah johnnybuoy.  do what mon^rch said.
[12:03] <choudesh> frojnd, just attach my screen
[12:03] <mon^rch> johnnybuoy: I KNOW that WILL work
[12:03] <frojnd> choudesh how ?
[12:03] <choudesh> screen -r 7126.pts-1.umbrella
[12:03] <johnnybuoy> mon^rch, yep, it did
[12:03] <mon^rch> :D
[12:04] <frojnd> There is no screen to be resumed matching 7126.pts-1.umbrella.
[12:04] <mon^rch> yw
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> :)
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> thanks
[12:04] <billy> johnnybuoy: see?  we wouldn't lie to you.  ;)
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> strange compiz still has gconf config...
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> :)
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> thx
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> I might even use compiz...
[12:04] <iXneonXi> lol
[12:04] <mon^rch> johnnybuoy: sometimes it will get reset... just go back and change it
[12:04] <johnnybuoy> pff
[12:04] <billy> johnnybuoy: beryl keeps putting the windows underneath my panels.  and the compiz is much more stable and smoother.
[12:05] <johnnybuoy> I think I might go back to beryl if it gets reset
[12:05] <mon^rch> I like compiz better too
[12:05] <mon^rch> :)
[12:05] <billy> mon^rch: heard the news that they're merging?
[12:05] <johnnybuoy> dunno, beryl runs fine here...
[12:05] <frojnd> choudesh: ur keeping me in a dark here
[12:05] <choudesh> frojnd, PM me the sudo password
[12:05] <johnnybuoy> hmm
[12:05] <mon^rch> billy: merging? what do you mean?
[12:05] <johnficca> I can't open gedit with sudo, it just gets stuck for like two minutes then it stops, any help?
[12:05] <yuriy> anybody been able to run opera recently/
[12:06] <billy> mon^rch: merging.  the two are becoming one.
[12:06] <iXneonXi> mon^rch: The projects are coming together
[12:06] <johnnybuoy> the focusing is definitely not as buggy in compiz as it is in beryl
[12:06] <choudesh> frojnd, just attach my screen and you can see what I am doing
[12:06] <mon^rch> heyyyyyyy that's cool :)
[12:06] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, screen -x
[12:06] <billy> mon^rch: can you get the snow plugin to work?
[12:06] <iXneonXi> choudesh: you gotta teach me the screen stuff. Yall have piqued my interest
[12:06] <billy> rain is cool.  but I just want to see what the snow is like.
[12:06] <frojnd> There is no screen to be attached.
[12:06] <choudesh> frojnd, try screen -x
[12:07] <johnnybuoy> frojnd, as root...
[12:07] <choudesh> oops. I thought you were root.
[12:07] <mon^rch> I havn't fiddled with any of the plugins or anything....first off I don't know how (lol) is there a guide somewhere?
[12:07] <billy> mon^rch: i haven't found a guide.  I just play around with Configuration Editor.
[12:07] <yuriy> also yay my desktop boots again. but opera won't run.
[12:08] <johnficca> ok now it just does nothing
[12:08] <mon^rch> billy: I'll mess it up for sure :P
[12:08] <johnnybuoy> mon^rch, but is there no opacity plugin?
[12:08] <frojnd> choudes write smth in konsole
[12:08] <billy> mon^rch: I don't see how.
[12:08] <johnficca> it doesn't open anything
[12:08] <frojnd> I don't see anything
[12:08] <billy> johnnybuoy: no opacity?  I have one.  you ~can~ install compiz-extra for extra plugins.
[12:08] <mon^rch> johnnybuoy: talk to billy... he seems to know more than I do :)
[12:08] <frojnd> is this maybe cause I write it under choudesh username?
[12:09] <choudesh> frojnd, you must be root - not choudesh
[12:09] <johnnybuoy> billy, yes, but then comes this horrible gconf thing again...
[12:09] <johnnybuoy> heh
[12:09] <billy> johnnybuoy: oh cmon now.  gconf is awesome.  all retro feeling and stuff.
[12:09] <iXneonXi> lol retro
[12:10] <iXneonXi> If you want retro, go play a gameboy
[12:10] <frojnd> root@umbrella:~# screen -x
[12:10] <billy> don't make fun of my gameboy.
[12:10] <frojnd> There is no screen to be attached.
[12:10] <johnnybuoy> billy, yeah, like compiz 2 years ago
[12:10] <frojnd> still nothing..
[12:10] <johnnybuoy> it was fine then, but now?
[12:10] <mon^rch> billy: gconf-editor is great! nods I like how the changes are instant
[12:10] <choudesh> screen -r 7126.pts-1.umbrella
[12:10] <johnficca> so I guess the rc is coming out tomorrow, so I'll just download that and reinstall
[12:10] <johnnybuoy> heh
[12:10] <frojnd> choudesh: There is no screen to be resumed matching 7126.pts-1.umbrella.
[12:11] <choudesh> frojnd, argh.
[12:11] <mon^rch> billy: is ther a "rain" plugin too?
[12:11] <johnnybuoy> but I need to know the exact order in which the plugins need to be loaded...
[12:11] <choudesh> frojnd, what is the sudo password? you can check my history...but if I wanted to rape your machine - it would have been done already
[12:11] <johnnybuoy> billy, what about miniwin and dock plugin?
[12:11] <billy> mon^rch: yeah.  that should be in the default options.
[12:12] <voidmage> will restricted-manager work in kde?
[12:12] <billy> johnnybuoy: don't know about those.
[12:12] <mon^rch> billy: ahem... can you point me in the right direction?
[12:12] <johnnybuoy> omfg
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> I don't wanna see another gconf-editor in my life :'(
[12:13] <billy> mon^rch: System>Pref's>GL Desktop>Desktop(tab)>Effects>water
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> billy, where do you have that config?
[12:13] <johnnybuoy> GL Desktop > Desktop (tab etc?
[12:13] <billy> johnnybuoy: not in config.  it's in GL Desktop.
[12:14] <johnnybuoy> I don't have that menu in prefs
[12:14] <mon^rch> billy: I have no "GL desktop" in sys>pref :/
[12:14] <billy> johnnybuoy: System>Pref's>GL Desktop
[12:14] <johnnybuoy> :(
[12:14] <billy> what?
[12:14] <johnnybuoy> me either
[12:14] <mon^rch> you sure that's not beryl?
[12:14] <johnnybuoy> no, I have beryl too
[12:14] <johnnybuoy> and beryl has a separate tool
[12:14] <billy> naw.  not beryl.  the title bar reads "Gnome Compiz Preferences".
[12:15] <ShackJack> Regarding networking (file sharing not wireless) - is that something that can now be done entirely in "shared folders" - I seem to be having difficulty...
[12:15] <mon^rch> I dont have the extra plugins... maybe that's it?
[12:15] <billy> mon^rch: I don't think so.  Hmm....
[12:16] <johnnybuoy> no, I have extra and I still don't have it
[12:16] <billy> mon^rch: make sure you got the thingy.  sudo apt-get install desktop-effects
[12:16] <mon^rch> billy: i found it in gconf.... looks cool but I don't know which stuff to edit :/
[12:16] <johnnybuoy> desktop-effects is already the newest version.
[12:16] <johnnybuoy> billy, ^
[12:16] <mon^rch> billy: i'm updating right now... gotta wait :(
[12:17] <voidmage> how compatible would http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/dists/debian-unstable/index.html be with feisty?
[12:17] <mon^rch> and the repos are sloooooooooooooooow
[12:17] <mon^rch> gonna take 2 frsakin hours
[12:17] <frojnd> choudes any progress yet ? :)
[12:17] <choudesh> !repo | mon^rch
[12:17] <ubotu> mon^rch: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[12:18] <frojnd> it's 00:18 here and I have work tommorow
[12:18] <choudesh> choose the one closest to you
[12:18] <mon^rch> hmmm
[12:19] <frojnd> choudesh? what are u doing with my torrents?
[12:20] <choudesh> frojnd, nothing I am updating apt-get
[12:20] <choudesh> frojnd, apt-get update hasn't been run in awhile.
[12:20] <frojnd> that's not possible
[12:20] <billy> johnnybuoy: I'm researching.  Just a moment.
[12:20] <frojnd> I was running it about 16h o'clock ..
[12:21] <mon^rch> choudesh: thanks, but I already get from the one "closest" to me :)
[12:21] <choudesh> mon^rch, I am pulling about 2Mbs from us.archive
[12:21] <johnnybuoy> billy, okay, I am very intreagued, as the config app is the only thing that is keeping me beryl
[12:22] <johnnybuoy> I like compis's focusing code, I think its easier than beryl
[12:22] <mon^rch> choudesh: you can't be serious....
[12:22] <mon^rch> I get from canada...
[12:22] <johnnybuoy> and if I have cube, I don't really care for animations and all the bling
[12:23] <billy> johnnybuoy: I'm kinda the opposite.  I miss burning down the windows with beryl.  :)
[12:23] <choudesh> mon^rch, yea. it is usually this fast. over at the Univ, we have a local ubuntu repo and we pull about 3MB/sec then we serve about 3000 people and about 3600 students using ubuntu
[12:23] <billy> I could live without the cubbe.
[12:23] <johnnybuoy> billy, so why don't you use beryl?
[12:24] <mon^rch> choudesh: pfft, you're damn lucky
[12:24] <choudesh> frojnd, VLC is installed
[12:24] <iXneonXi|AFK> choudesh: which Uni
[12:24] <choudesh> PSU and LHU
[12:24] <choudesh> Penn State Univ. and Lock Haven Univ.
[12:24] <billy> johnnybuoy: it's all buggy on my system.  keeps putting windows under my panels and is more "jerky" feeling.
[12:25] <iXneonXi|AFK> 3600 students is a good amount
[12:25] <choudesh> iXneonXi, PSU has about 40000
[12:25] <iXneonXi> nice
[12:25] <choudesh> LHU about 6800
[12:25] <choudesh> frojnd, your system is ready to go.
[12:26] <iXneonXi> Less people use Linux down here :<
[12:26] <choudesh> frojnd, VLC is installed. ;-)
[12:26] <frojnd> choudsh tnx
[12:26] <frojnd> choudesh* :)
[12:26] <choudesh> well - usually at a univ. alot of people run linux.
[12:26] <choudesh> frojnd, no prob frojnd, if you need any more help - just stop in.
[12:26] <frojnd> k
[12:27] <choudesh> iXneonXi, actually, next month Ubuntu will have a repo on the internet2
[12:27] <iXneonXi> wh00t
[12:27] <iXneonXi> LSU uses that
[12:27] <iXneonXi> Tezpur will be connected to it
[12:27] <choudesh> iXneonXi, our repo. ;-) we have a cluster farm ordered from Dell just to serve it.
[12:27] <choudesh> iXneonXi, well, I know OSU is like an internet2 hug.
[12:28] <billy> johnnybuoy: sudo apt-get install compiz-tray-icon
[12:28] <choudesh> wow, only took me 2 hours to help frojnd
[12:28] <choudesh> :-D
[12:28] <iXneonXi> I don't know may people at LSU but I do know that they're big on the internets as far as new technology goes, with all those fiber lines they have