[01:43] <superm1> majoridiot, well i sure didnt see this coming:
[01:43] <superm1> http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=26907
[01:44] <majoridiot> *sigh*
[01:44] <majoridiot> typical
[01:45] <majoridiot> a great big GFY from AMD
[01:46] <superm1> well you know what though - given there is a knowledge base article opened about this, this is the *first* public admittance on ATIs part
[01:46] <superm1> about support for AIGLX and such
[01:46] <majoridiot> superm1: at what point should i get the prompt about an existing root mysql password
[01:46] <superm1> on a new package install?
[01:46] <superm1> never.
[01:46] <majoridiot> ?
[01:46] <superm1> you need to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database"
[01:47] <superm1> if you want to put in an existing password
[01:47] <majoridiot> an existing ROOT password?
[01:47] <superm1> yes
[01:47] <majoridiot> so if i now run mythtv-setup without having done that, it's gonna get pissed?
[01:47] <superm1> well do you have an existing password?
[01:48] <majoridiot> yes.  i set up mysql first, with a root password...
[01:48] <majoridiot> then installed mythtv meta
[01:48] <superm1> then aye it will get it pissed
[01:48] <majoridiot> don't you think that warrants a popup?
[01:49] <superm1> it should have made a little tray icon notification during package install?
[01:49] <superm1> then again, that has worked on and off for some reason.
[01:49] <majoridiot> no tray icon notification
[01:50] <superm1> yea i think i've only seen that happen during GUI installs
[01:50] <superm1> w/o command line
[01:50] <superm1> but on command line you didnt see the warning?
[01:51] <superm1> during package install?
[01:51] <superm1> that it couldnt connect to the mysql server
[01:51] <majoridiot> did it from synaptic
[01:51] <superm1> well thats weird then :)
[01:52] <superm1> i guess i'll have to look a little more closely at why that may be happening
[01:53] <majoridiot> yeah, no notification of any sort from synaptic install.
[01:54] <superm1> but regardless, didnt we discuss previously that if someone was intelligent enough to setup a root mysql password, that they should be intelligent enough to change the password used by this package?
[01:54] <tgm4883> majoridiot, you working on the guides?
[01:55] <majoridiot> tgm4883: yes
[01:55] <tgm4883> ok
[01:55] <majoridiot> why?
[01:55] <tgm4883> just wanted to let you know (if you didn't already) that there are some pictures missing on the backend frontend only
[01:55] <majoridiot> superm1: yes we did discuss that :)
[01:56] <tgm4883> ok
[01:56] <tgm4883> just running through it again on my reinstall
[01:56] <majoridiot> tgm4883: yes, ty... mario is going to cap them from a VM
[01:56] <superm1> oh right!
[01:56] <superm1> forgot about that
[01:57] <superm1> majoridiot, so if you do it without setting the root password, mythtv-setup bails
[01:57] <superm1> w/o updating
[01:57] <superm1> but as soon as you dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[01:57] <superm1> and put it in
[01:57] <superm1> mythtv-setup works fine
[01:58] <superm1> ah gotta run againn.... i'll be back
[01:58] <majoridiot> superm1: correct.  i just tried that and it works fine :)  will note that in the guide.
[01:58] <majoridiot> k
[01:59] <majoridiot> tgm4883: have you installed mythtv yet?  if not, let me know
[01:59] <tgm4883> not yet, just installed ssh server
[01:59] <majoridiot> :)
[01:59] <majoridiot> wanna try the new packages?
[01:59] <tgm4883> sure
[02:00] <majoridiot> sec
[02:01] <majoridiot> add this to your sources.list
[02:01] <majoridiot> deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all
[02:01] <majoridiot> and then apt-get update, etc. as usual
[02:01] <majoridiot> new mythtv packages, improved password handling, sets up ALSA by default... nice new stuff.
[02:02] <tgm4883> ok
[02:02] <tgm4883> what about the repo's from the guide, add those too?
[02:02] <majoridiot> yes
[02:03] <majoridiot> superm1 has been busy and built some really nice packages- makes installation 99% hassle-free.
[02:05] <billbrasky> new packages?
[02:06] <billbrasky> i'm doing my myth install on my new system in about 25 seconds <burning feisty iso currently>
[02:06] <tgm4883> i just want the 5 repo's right?  Having a brain fart right now
[02:06] <majoridiot> correct
[02:06] <billbrasky> i assume these are going to be in the ubuntu repo's eventually?
[02:07] <majoridiot> bill: correct
[02:07] <majoridiot> but you can use them from mario's repo
[02:07] <majoridiot> they are :D
[02:08] <majoridiot> deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all
[02:08] <billbrasky> just wanna make sure i have the same packages updating in the future :-)
[02:08] <tgm4883> am i going to have a problem with no public key for mario's repo?
[02:08] <majoridiot> yes... they should be in regular feisty repos in a few days.
[02:08] <tgm4883> well i got that error, can i ignore it?
[02:08] <majoridiot> yes... ignore.
[02:08] <tgm4883> k
[02:08] <majoridiot> or add his key.
[02:08] <majoridiot> either way.
[02:09] <tgm4883> i always feel better about adding keys :)  Less errors that way
[02:09] <billbrasky> is this channel official? may wanna add a channel topic or something
[02:10] <billbrasky> :shrug:
[02:10] <majoridiot> dunno
[02:10] <tgm4883> channel topics are overrated
[02:10] <tgm4883> i like chaos
[02:10] <majoridiot> you will get a new popup or prompt on install now... telling you the random pasword it generates, so you don't have to look it up. :)
[02:11] <tgm4883> sweet
[02:11] <majoridiot> and it won't prompt you for the root mysql password :)
[02:11] <tgm4883> hopefully i dont have mysql problems anymore
[02:11] <majoridiot> you shouldn't.  he's got things locked down very nicely now.
[02:12] <majoridiot> the only mysql problems that should occur is if mysql is already installed with a root pw before mythtv...
[02:12] <tgm4883> i dont know if it was related to that or not.  We will know in a week
[02:12] <majoridiot> and then it's fixed by a simple dkpg-reconfigure
[02:12] <majoridiot> (it will all be added to the guide as soon as the packages are in the repos)
[02:14] <majoridiot> there is a "top" page for the guides if you haven't found it yet (it will be dropped into the main mythtv page in a couple of days)
[02:14] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop
[02:16] <tgm4883> I don't remember who i talked to about this before, but I dont think that installing xfsprogs is necessary anymore (just tried it, already installed)
[02:16] <majoridiot> which page?
[02:16] <tgm4883> backend fronted only
[02:16] <majoridiot> ty
[02:17] <majoridiot> should have been removed.
[02:17] <tgm4883> ok
[02:19] <tgm4883> I should really write some notes for myself
[02:19] <majoridiot> yes, you should. :)
[02:20] <tgm4883> I always forget, what do i change so i dont have to modprobe at every boot
[02:20] <majoridiot> for what?
[02:20] <tgm4883> i have to modprobe cx88-dvb so mythtv will use my hdtv 5500
[02:21] <tgm4883> so i want to load cx88-dvb at bootup instead of needing to modprobe
[02:21] <majoridiot> sudo sh -c "echo "cx88_dvb" >> /etc/modules
[02:21] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop
[02:22] <majoridiot> sorry
[02:22] <majoridiot> wrong window LOL
[02:22] <tgm4883> that didn't work so well for me
[02:22] <tgm4883> was i supposed to copy and paste?
[02:22] <majoridiot> what happened?
[02:23] <majoridiot> you could copy or type it, either.
[02:23] <tgm4883> gave me this on next line
[02:23] <tgm4883> >
[02:23] <tgm4883> i did c&p
[02:23] <majoridiot> ah
[02:23] <majoridiot> leading or trailing space?
[02:23] <majoridiot> likely.
[02:23] <majoridiot> ctrl-c
[02:23] <tgm4883> yea
[02:23] <majoridiot> if you haven't.
[02:23] <majoridiot> k
[02:23] <majoridiot> :)
[02:24] <tgm4883> pvr should work oob right?
[02:24] <majoridiot> yup
[02:24] <tgm4883> i forget, thats why i need notes
[02:25] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[02:25] <majoridiot> it's all in the guides... :)
[02:25] <tgm4883> error
[02:25] <tgm4883> sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master
[02:26] <majoridiot> what error?
[02:26] <tgm4883>  mythtv-backend-master: Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[02:27] <majoridiot> hm.  might need to add his key
[02:27] <tgm4883> i did
[02:27] <tgm4883> added his key before update
[02:28] <majoridiot> what wget did you use to add it?
[02:28] <majoridiot> or did you have it on hand?
[02:28] <tgm4883> wget http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/80DF6D58.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[02:28] <tgm4883> from his website
[02:29] <tgm4883> http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/
[02:29] <majoridiot> hm.
[02:29] <majoridiot> i'm trying an install now
[02:29] <tgm4883> k
[02:30] <majoridiot> the desktop packages work fine... i was just starting to test the server installs
[02:30] <majoridiot> but i would think they would be the same for backend-master
[02:41] <majoridiot> updating and upgrading now...
[02:42] <tgm4883> i tried updating and upgrading again, 4 new updates, but still no go
[02:46] <majoridiot> hm
[02:46] <majoridiot> no problem here
[02:46] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:46] <majoridiot> sec
[02:47] <majoridiot> did you ever get the first popup?
[02:47] <tgm4883> no
[02:47] <tgm4883> i haven't got to install any mythtv stuff
[02:47] <majoridiot> problem with your sources.list i'm thinking
[02:48] <majoridiot> yeah... flawless here.
[02:49] <tgm4883> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:49] <tgm4883> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[02:49] <tgm4883> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[02:49] <tgm4883> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[02:49] <tgm4883> deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/ feisty all
[02:49] <tgm4883> thats all thats in there
[02:50] <tgm4883>  i added  the / after superm1 after it didn't work the first time
[02:50] <tgm4883> wait
[02:51] <majoridiot> deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all
[02:51] <majoridiot> works
[02:51] <tgm4883> perhaps a problem with 64 bit
[02:51] <tgm4883> ?
[02:51] <majoridiot> ah
[02:51] <majoridiot> perhaps so
[02:51] <tgm4883> just thought about that, first 64 bit install with mythtv
[02:51] <majoridiot> we'll need to ask superm1 when he gets back
[02:52] <tgm4883> k
[02:52] <majoridiot> i don't know the status of his packages and 64bit
[02:52] <majoridiot> or mythtv and 64bit for that matter
[02:52] <majoridiot> i quit running 64bit... too many hasles.
[02:53] <tgm4883> lol, i starting running it to see if it would fix my mysql problem
[02:53] <majoridiot> egads
[02:53] <majoridiot> i was constantly running into problems running 64bit
[02:54] <majoridiot> switched over to 32 bit and never looked back
[02:54] <tgm4883> what kind of problems?
[02:55] <majoridiot> various drivers, firefox plugins, mythtv... LOL
[02:55] <tgm4883> ah
[02:55] <majoridiot> but at that time i was compiling mythtv
[02:56] <majoridiot> honestly, i never *noticed* a difference in speed between 32 and 64bit
[02:56] <majoridiot> video would transcode a little faster, but not much.
[02:57] <tgm4883> there shouldn't really be any speed difference, except for in transcoding
[02:57] <tgm4883> should be about 1.5
[02:57] <tgm4883> faster
[02:57] <majoridiot> as i recall... roughly, yes.
[02:57] <majoridiot> but it wasn't worth it for all of the other hassles.
[02:57] <majoridiot> on a backend server, it probably would work well.
[02:57] <tgm4883> not much difference for shows, but if you do lots of transcoding
[02:58] <tgm4883> as things become more 64 bit, the gap should be noticable, but only  for time intensive things
[02:59] <majoridiot> you aren't using a local repo? just the default ubuntu ones from the guides?
[02:59] <tgm4883> just from the guides
[02:59] <majoridiot> agreed... as more apps are written with 64bit capabilities.
[03:00] <tgm4883> when i installed openssh, i had to put the cd in, but since then i have removed everything but the 5 things i posted
[03:00] <majoridiot> you'd likely get a LOT better speeds out of a local repo
[03:00] <tgm4883> true
[03:00] <majoridiot> the two i switch between usually give me 1200Kbps
[03:00] <tgm4883> i should have some sort of local repo here.  it would save me on the updating
[03:00] <majoridiot> what location?
[03:01] <tgm4883> but with fast internet i never really bothered
[03:01] <tgm4883> oregon, usa
[03:04] <tgm4883> gonna go grab some food, i should be back in about 1 hour
[03:05] <majoridiot> k
[03:14] <majoridiot> biab
[03:16] <superm1> hey guys
[03:16] <superm1> i didnt build the test packages for 64 bit
[03:16] <superm1> only 32
[03:16] <majoridiot> ah
[03:16] <superm1> that requires two machines for me to do both
[03:16] <majoridiot> i suspected
[03:16] <superm1> the builds just finished on launchpad
[03:16] <superm1> as long as they dont need to be acked by admins, they will trickle right to the mirrors
[03:16] <majoridiot> :)
[03:17] <superm1> i'm not sure if they need to be though
[03:18] <majoridiot> 'DOH!
[03:19] <superm1> haha
[03:36] <superm1> majoridiot, appears that its on archive.ubuntu.com now
[03:36] <superm1> that was quick :)
[03:36] <superm1> at least the i386 is
[03:37] <majoridiot> wow
[03:37] <majoridiot> that is fast :)
[05:33] <tgm4883> back
[05:33] <tgm4883> family likes to talk at dinner
[05:33] <tgm4883> thought it would never end
[05:33] <tgm4883> so no 64 bit huh?
[05:34] <majoridiot> superm1 said the new packages are in the main ubuntu repo
[05:34] <tgm4883> even 64
[05:34] <majoridiot> not sure if that means 64 bit builds or not
[05:34] <tgm4883> the main repo being the ones in the guide?
[05:35] <majoridiot> yes
[05:35] <tgm4883> still looks like a no go
[05:35] <tgm4883> :(
[05:37] <superm1> amd64 built, its just a matter if it has updated on your local mirror yet
[05:38] <superm1> i see it sitting on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:38] <tgm4883> ah
[05:38] <superm1> yea and its on my mirror (mirror.cs.umn.edu)
[05:38] <superm1> just installed from it
[05:42] <tgm4883> is it in the universe?
[05:51] <tgm4883> yay, installing now
[06:04] <superm1> tgm4883, hopefully this should be *much* *much* more smooth of an install than previous packages
[06:05] <tgm4883> seems to be so far
[06:06] <tgm4883> has the new packages changed the guide more than when just installing the backend
[06:07] <superm1> depends on whats "new" for you
[06:07] <superm1> there are also some checks now on group membership
[06:07] <superm1> for the frontend and backend
[06:35] <tgm4883> ok, in mythtv-setup now
[06:35] <tgm4883> is the time offset for xmltv listings
[06:35] <tgm4883> is that my minutes, or hours?
[06:36] <tgm4883> nm
[06:38] <superm1> :)
[06:41] <tgm4883> it appears that my pvr 150 is showing up twice under input connections, even though i only have 1 pvr150 under capture cards
[06:42] <majoridiot> there is more than one input on the card
[06:42] <tgm4883> I have 1 set (a set being tuner 1, svideo 1, composite 1, svideo 2, composite 2) for V4L (which I didn't setup), and 1 set for MPEG (which if I remember correctly is the pvr setup)
[06:43] <tgm4883> i have a total of 10 inputs
[06:43] <tgm4883> just for that card
[06:43] <tgm4883> but i should only have 5
[06:43] <superm1> go back and delete all tuners then
[06:43] <superm1> and do them again
[06:43] <majoridiot> yup.
[06:43] <tgm4883> ok
[06:44] <tgm4883> ahh much better
[06:44] <tgm4883> im thinking it may have had something to do with the analog input on the hdtv 5500
[06:44] <tgm4883> even though it wasn't setup
[06:44] <superm1> majoridiot, so do you think there needs more clarification with regard to if you did have a previous mysql password?
[06:44] <tgm4883> and even though they all showed the same device
[06:45] <majoridiot> superm1: there will be.  i will add it to the guide.
[06:45] <superm1> or just leave that all to the packaging guide?
[06:45] <superm1> *guide
[06:45] <superm1> k
[06:57] <tgm4883> should i get an error at the end of mythfilldatabase?
[06:58] <majoridiot> yes
[06:58] <majoridiot> if the backend is not running.
[06:58] <majoridiot> it is normal
[06:58] <tgm4883> ah
[06:58] <tgm4883> ok
[06:58] <tgm4883> cause it always worried me
[06:58] <tgm4883> of course if i read the guide i would have known that
[06:58] <tgm4883> instead i skim
[06:59] <tgm4883> majoridiot did
[06:59] <majoridiot> ;)
[07:00] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:00] <tgm4883> says mythbackend already running
[07:00] <majoridiot> do a restart instead of start
[07:01] <tgm4883> so confused
[07:01] <tgm4883> works though now
[07:01] <tgm4883> so its not running, but says its running, but then when restart, not really running
[07:01] <tgm4883> but started now
[07:08] <tgm4883> does the escape key no longer exit mythtvfronend?
[07:09] <superm1> it does
[07:09] <tgm4883> hmm
[07:09] <tgm4883> not working
[07:09] <tgm4883> fortunatly ctrl-alt-bksp does
[07:16] <tgm4883> does the backend auto start on boot, or do i need to add that somewhere?
[07:16] <superm1> autostarts
[07:16] <tgm4883> hmm, another problem then
[07:16] <superm1> check out /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[07:17] <superm1> and see what happened
[07:17] <tgm4883> k
[07:18] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:14:36.123 Using runtime prefix = /usr
[07:18] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:14:36.866 New DB connection, total: 1
[07:18] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:14:36.995 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.0.4
[07:18] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:14:37.266 Current Schema Version: 1160
[07:18] <tgm4883> No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[07:18] <tgm4883> Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[07:18] <tgm4883> of the general settings.
[07:18] <tgm4883> this is the end, a 4 minute gap between this and the rest (a reboot i suppose)
[07:19] <tgm4883> now 192.168.0.4 is my backend server, but it is a frontend/backend combo, so should i put localhost?
[07:19] <superm1> hm, did you by chance turn on the unique identifier option in the frontend?
[07:19] <tgm4883> yea
[07:19] <superm1> i think you might have encountered something i was trying to point out to majoridiot
[07:20] <tgm4883> wasn't i supposed to?
[07:20] <tgm4883> ah
[07:20] <superm1> remove ~/.mythtv
[07:20] <superm1> and restart the computer
[07:20] <superm1> and dont do that
[07:20] <superm1> see if thing sare better
[07:21] <tgm4883> remove it from the mythtv user?
[07:21] <superm1> yes
[07:25] <tgm4883> That seems to have fixed it
[07:26] <superm1> yes, so i was right.  :)
[07:26] <superm1> i'll let majoridiot know that part about unique identifiers needs to be clarified
[07:26] <superm1> because this is way to easy for people to mix up
[07:28] <tgm4883> i have some weird channels i never had before.  When trying to watch them (and see what they are) i seem to have crashed the backend
[07:28] <superm1> on the HD5000 i'm taking it
[07:28] <superm1> er 5500
[07:28] <tgm4883> yea
[07:29] <tgm4883> froze the comp i thin
[07:29] <tgm4883> k
[07:30] <superm1> most likely encrypted channels
[07:30] <superm1> that i would take off the list if i was you
[07:30] <superm1> thats the unfortunate thing about hunting down channels that work when it comes to HD
[07:31] <tgm4883> ok, will take them off the list.  Although, i dont get many channels to begin with (dont even have expanded cable)
[07:32] <tgm4883> what really bugs me is comcast strips the HD signal of some info, so I have to manually enter the channel id in mythweb
[07:32] <tgm4883> whoa, rebooted, still no backend.
[07:33] <superm1> tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log still?
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.120 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.466 Current Schema Version: 1160
[07:33] <tgm4883> Starting up as the master server.
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.625 New DB connection, total: 2
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.661 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.772 EITHelper: localtime offset -7:00:00
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.795 New DB connection, total: 3
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.805 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[07:33] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.961 DVBChan(0) Warning: Symbol Rate setting (0) is out of range (min/max:5056941/10762000)
[07:34] <tgm4883> 2007-04-10 22:31:52.996 EITHelper: localtime offset -7:00:00
[07:34] <tgm4883> oh sure, now its running
[07:35] <tgm4883> but doesn't seem to find the backend server as mythtv user
[07:35] <superm1> was it just a fluke maybe?
[07:35] <superm1> backend was still starting
[07:35] <superm1> etc
[07:36] <tgm4883> i switched back over to the mythtv user and still can't connect to the backend
[07:38] <superm1> hm
[07:38] <superm1> whats it telling you?
[07:38] <superm1> a gui error?
[07:38] <superm1> or a command line error?
[07:39] <tgm4883> standard cannot connect to backend server in mythtv frontend
[07:39] <tgm4883> im going to try rebooting again
[07:40] <superm1> not password related or anythign though
[07:40] <superm1> right
[07:40] <superm1> just the standard "backend has gone away"
[07:40] <superm1> etc
[07:40] <tgm4883> yea
[07:44] <tgm4883> seems to be back working now
[07:44] <tgm4883> weird
[07:46] <superm1> i bet the backend was still starting up the backend process
[07:46] <superm1> and thats all
[07:48] <tgm4883> probably
[07:52] <superm1> tgm4883, majoridiot just updated the page about unique identifiers compared to what it said before
[07:52] <superm1> it now says " FE_3.png
[07:52] <superm1> 
[07:52] <superm1> Do not check this box unless you know exactly what you are doing. It will cause errors if used incorrectly. You have been warned. "
[07:53] <tgm4883> sweet
[07:55] <superm1> tgm4883, was the install fairly straightforward and painless then?
[07:55] <superm1> particularly the ubuntu specific parts (package install, init scripts etc)
[07:55] <tgm4883> yea pretty straightforward once the amd64 version hit my repos
[07:56] <superm1> haha well you cant blame me for that - the packages were JUST uploaded like 6 hours ago
[08:03] <tgm4883> is there a place to chage font size besides in appearance?
[08:04] <superm1> you can change DPI
[08:04] <superm1> of the X server
[08:04] <tgm4883> that might be what i need to do, cause the text is small
[08:04] <tgm4883> cant read it from the couch
[08:04] <superm1> nvidia card?
[08:04] <tgm4883> yea
[08:04] <tgm4883> well
[08:04] <tgm4883> onboard
[08:04] <superm1> nvidia prop drivers
[08:04] <tgm4883> yea
[08:04] <superm1> in your Device section
[08:05] <superm1> of xorg.conf
[08:05] <superm1> add
[08:05] <superm1>     Option "DPI" "100x100"
[08:05] <superm1> and restart gdm
[08:06] <tgm4883> ohh so much better
[08:06] <tgm4883> i dont need glasses anymore
[08:06] <tgm4883> or a telescope
[08:07] <superm1> haha
[08:07] <tgm4883> man it was small
[08:07] <tgm4883> oh but it's not showing up at the correct resolution
[08:08] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:08] <tgm4883> what other than the screen section would do resolution
[08:08] <tgm4883> i have only one resolution in there and it's not doing it
[08:08] <superm1> desktop setup?
[08:08] <superm1> or is this standalone
[08:09] <tgm4883> frontend/backend combo, no desktop
[08:09] <superm1> k
[08:09] <superm1> easiest thing to do, quit mythfrontend, and then login as your regular user
[08:09] <superm1> and check out the different resolutions available to you via xrandr
[08:10] <tgm4883> ugh, non are good
[08:10] <tgm4883> highest is 1024x768
[08:10] <superm1> this is a widescreen i take it?
[08:11] <superm1> and your not getting your widescreen res?
[08:11] <tgm4883> no
[08:11] <superm1> okay is the res your looking to get listed in xorg.conf right now?
[08:12] <tgm4883> yea, its the only one listed in there (i changed 1024x768 out with 1366x768)
[08:12] <superm1> and it was working the first time around?
[08:13] <tgm4883> err, hadn't checked
[08:13] <tgm4883> but
[08:13] <superm1> without the DPI change?
[08:13] <tgm4883> i just ran nvidia-settings and can set 1280x768, which then my tv says it's getting a 1366x768 signal
[08:14] <superm1> hrm
[08:14] <tgm4883> so should i just go with the 1280x768?
[08:16] <superm1> as long as it looks good to you :)
[08:16] <superm1> i didnt have to fight my tv to get 1360x768, but then again, i chose it on the basis of knowledge it would work out of the box
[08:16] <superm1> when i bought it
[08:17] <tgm4883> eh, things working out of the box are overrated :)
[08:17] <superm1> haha
[08:17] <superm1> well thats the end of the story.....
[08:17] <superm1> i spent many hours in retail stores with my thinkpad
[08:17] <superm1> and a port replicator
[08:18] <tgm4883> nice
[08:18] <superm1> and a dual boot so i could play with power strip
[08:18] <superm1> and some sample HD content
[08:18] <tgm4883> thats the way to do it
[08:18] <superm1> so i had what i'd like to think was the most "mythcentric" decision process
[08:32] <tgm4883> is it safe to mix the medibuntu repo with these repos?
[08:32] <superm1> yes
[08:32] <tgm4883> ok
[08:40] <tgm4883> thanks for the help superm1
[08:40] <tgm4883> its late, im going to bed
[08:40] <superm1> np tgm4883
[08:40] <superm1> glad you got things going here :)
[08:40] <superm1> have a good one
[08:40] <tgm4883> ill work in lirc tomarrow
[06:47] <superm1> hey jono is there any way we can set the topic for this channel?
[06:47] <superm1> i dont know who has operator rights on it
[06:47] <jono> superm1: no idea who owns it
[06:48] <jono> superm1: speak to a freenode staffer
[06:48] <jono> :)
[06:48] <superm1> jono: oh i thought you owned it :)
[06:48] <jono> I am not sure
[06:48] <jono> I might do
[06:48] <jono> I am happy to transfer ownership to you if needed
[06:48] <superm1> okay i'll see if i can find out who has ownership then
[06:48] <jono> :)
[06:54] <keescook> superm1: wrt to bug 96737, is there a way to detect if the system is been configured already?
[06:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 96737 in mythtv "ubuntu-mythtv-frontend does not allow user to run mythtv-setup for configuration" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96737
[06:55] <superm1> keescook, I have been trying to think about that - i'm not really sure if there is an easy way to
[06:55] <keescook> because if so, we could add a test for that in the mythtv login scripts to launch mythtv-setup instead of mythfrontend
[06:55] <superm1> indeed.
[06:55] <superm1> that would save some trouble
[06:55] <superm1> well what about this:
[06:56] <superm1> check if the mythbackend binary exists
[06:56] <superm1> and if so, do a mysql query
[06:56] <superm1> to see if a setting that is only set when a backend is configured on that machine is launched
[06:56] <keescook> mythtv-setup is for frontends too, though isn't it?
[06:57] <superm1> nope, just on backends
[06:57] <superm1> or backend/frontends
[06:57] <keescook> aaah, cool.  that simplifies things.  :)
[06:57] <superm1> so that problem indicated is only really a problem when you have a backend/frontend
[06:58] <keescook> back shortly, must reboot to latest feisty kernel.  :)
[07:05] <superm1> keescook, okay how about this: provide a second session with ubuntu-mythtv-frontend called "MythTV Configuration", something that would use the same wrapper zenity style questioning.  it would do this: 1) Ask you if its okay to stop the backend and if so continue onward to 2, 2) Start mythtv-setup 3) Ask if you want to fill the database 4) Restart the backend for you.  5)Set the default session to frontend startup Then the postinst script
[07:05] <superm1> of ubuntu-mythtv-frontend can set the default session to this if it sees mythbackend exists during ubuntu-mythtv-frontend installation
[07:06] <superm1> only problem that wouldnt cover is how the user gets back into this session
[07:07] <superm1> brb.
[07:14] <superm1_> back
[07:32] <superm1> jono, freenode staff said that the ubuntu group contact can take ops
[07:32] <superm1> and set topics
[07:33] <superm1> jono so i'm assuming thats you?
[07:33] <jono> cool :)
[07:33] <jono> nope
[07:33] <jono> speak to the IRC team :)
[07:33] <jono> Seveas can help
[07:34] <superm1> jono, also with regard to the mailing list - it never got setup
[07:34] <superm1> and i sent an email to mailmain@l.u.c
[07:34] <superm1> but never got a response
[07:34] <jono> you will have to wait for the admins
[07:34] <jono> sorry
[07:34] <jono> I can't speed it up
[07:35] <superm1> oh i was just wondering if that was normal procedure?
[07:35] <superm1> i mean they didnt even ack the email and say okay we'll get this done in X weeks
[07:35] <superm1> or anything like that