=== superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:43] majoridiot, well i sure didnt see this coming: [01:43] http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=26907 [01:44] *sigh* [01:44] typical [01:45] a great big GFY from AMD === majoridiot is now glad he has switched to intel processors from now on [01:46] well you know what though - given there is a knowledge base article opened about this, this is the *first* public admittance on ATIs part [01:46] about support for AIGLX and such [01:46] superm1: at what point should i get the prompt about an existing root mysql password [01:46] on a new package install? [01:46] never. [01:46] ? [01:46] you need to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" [01:47] if you want to put in an existing password [01:47] an existing ROOT password? [01:47] yes [01:47] so if i now run mythtv-setup without having done that, it's gonna get pissed? [01:47] well do you have an existing password? [01:48] yes. i set up mysql first, with a root password... [01:48] then installed mythtv meta [01:48] then aye it will get it pissed [01:48] don't you think that warrants a popup? === majoridiot thought that is how it was handled [01:49] it should have made a little tray icon notification during package install? [01:49] then again, that has worked on and off for some reason. [01:49] no tray icon notification [01:50] yea i think i've only seen that happen during GUI installs [01:50] w/o command line [01:50] but on command line you didnt see the warning? [01:51] during package install? [01:51] that it couldnt connect to the mysql server [01:51] did it from synaptic [01:51] well thats weird then :) [01:52] i guess i'll have to look a little more closely at why that may be happening [01:53] yeah, no notification of any sort from synaptic install. [01:54] but regardless, didnt we discuss previously that if someone was intelligent enough to setup a root mysql password, that they should be intelligent enough to change the password used by this package? === tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ChaiSangeen_ [n=aljishi@89.148.28.189] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:54] majoridiot, you working on the guides? [01:55] tgm4883: yes [01:55] ok [01:55] why? [01:55] just wanted to let you know (if you didn't already) that there are some pictures missing on the backend frontend only [01:55] superm1: yes we did discuss that :) [01:56] ok [01:56] just running through it again on my reinstall [01:56] tgm4883: yes, ty... mario is going to cap them from a VM [01:56] oh right! [01:56] forgot about that === billbrasky [n=billbras@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:57] majoridiot, so if you do it without setting the root password, mythtv-setup bails [01:57] w/o updating [01:57] but as soon as you dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [01:57] and put it in [01:57] mythtv-setup works fine [01:58] ah gotta run againn.... i'll be back [01:58] superm1: correct. i just tried that and it works fine :) will note that in the guide. [01:58] k [01:59] tgm4883: have you installed mythtv yet? if not, let me know [01:59] not yet, just installed ssh server [01:59] :) [01:59] wanna try the new packages? [01:59] sure [02:00] sec [02:01] add this to your sources.list [02:01] deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all [02:01] and then apt-get update, etc. as usual [02:01] new mythtv packages, improved password handling, sets up ALSA by default... nice new stuff. [02:02] ok [02:02] what about the repo's from the guide, add those too? [02:02] yes [02:03] superm1 has been busy and built some really nice packages- makes installation 99% hassle-free. [02:05] new packages? [02:06] i'm doing my myth install on my new system in about 25 seconds [02:06] i just want the 5 repo's right? Having a brain fart right now [02:06] correct [02:06] i assume these are going to be in the ubuntu repo's eventually? [02:07] bill: correct [02:07] but you can use them from mario's repo [02:07] they are :D [02:08] deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all [02:08] just wanna make sure i have the same packages updating in the future :-) [02:08] am i going to have a problem with no public key for mario's repo? [02:08] yes... they should be in regular feisty repos in a few days. [02:08] well i got that error, can i ignore it? [02:08] yes... ignore. [02:08] k [02:08] or add his key. [02:08] either way. [02:09] i always feel better about adding keys :) Less errors that way [02:09] is this channel official? may wanna add a channel topic or something [02:10] :shrug: [02:10] dunno [02:10] channel topics are overrated [02:10] i like chaos [02:10] you will get a new popup or prompt on install now... telling you the random pasword it generates, so you don't have to look it up. :) [02:11] sweet [02:11] and it won't prompt you for the root mysql password :) [02:11] hopefully i dont have mysql problems anymore [02:11] you shouldn't. he's got things locked down very nicely now. [02:12] the only mysql problems that should occur is if mysql is already installed with a root pw before mythtv... [02:12] i dont know if it was related to that or not. We will know in a week [02:12] and then it's fixed by a simple dkpg-reconfigure [02:12] (it will all be added to the guide as soon as the packages are in the repos) [02:14] there is a "top" page for the guides if you haven't found it yet (it will be dropped into the main mythtv page in a couple of days) [02:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop [02:16] I don't remember who i talked to about this before, but I dont think that installing xfsprogs is necessary anymore (just tried it, already installed) [02:16] which page? [02:16] backend fronted only [02:16] ty [02:17] should have been removed. [02:17] ok [02:19] I should really write some notes for myself [02:19] yes, you should. :) [02:20] I always forget, what do i change so i dont have to modprobe at every boot [02:20] for what? [02:20] i have to modprobe cx88-dvb so mythtv will use my hdtv 5500 [02:21] so i want to load cx88-dvb at bootup instead of needing to modprobe [02:21] sudo sh -c "echo "cx88_dvb" >> /etc/modules [02:21] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FeistyTop [02:22] sorry [02:22] wrong window LOL [02:22] that didn't work so well for me [02:22] was i supposed to copy and paste? [02:22] what happened? [02:23] you could copy or type it, either. [02:23] gave me this on next line [02:23] > [02:23] i did c&p [02:23] ah [02:23] leading or trailing space? [02:23] likely. [02:23] ctrl-c [02:23] yea [02:23] if you haven't. [02:23] k [02:23] :) [02:24] pvr should work oob right? [02:24] yup [02:24] i forget, thats why i need notes [02:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list [02:25] it's all in the guides... :) [02:25] error [02:25] sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master [02:26] what error? [02:26] mythtv-backend-master: Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed [02:27] hm. might need to add his key [02:27] i did [02:27] added his key before update [02:28] what wget did you use to add it? [02:28] or did you have it on hand? [02:28] wget http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/80DF6D58.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - [02:28] from his website [02:29] http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/ [02:29] hm. [02:29] i'm trying an install now [02:29] k [02:30] the desktop packages work fine... i was just starting to test the server installs [02:30] but i would think they would be the same for backend-master [02:41] updating and upgrading now... [02:42] i tried updating and upgrading again, 4 new updates, but still no go [02:46] hm [02:46] no problem here [02:46] hmm [02:46] sec [02:47] did you ever get the first popup? [02:47] no [02:47] i haven't got to install any mythtv stuff [02:47] problem with your sources.list i'm thinking [02:48] yeah... flawless here. [02:49] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse [02:49] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-updates main restricted universe multiverse [02:49] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-security main restricted universe multiverse [02:49] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse [02:49] deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/ feisty all [02:49] thats all thats in there [02:50] i added the / after superm1 after it didn't work the first time [02:50] wait [02:51] deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 feisty all [02:51] works [02:51] perhaps a problem with 64 bit [02:51] ? [02:51] ah [02:51] perhaps so [02:51] just thought about that, first 64 bit install with mythtv [02:51] we'll need to ask superm1 when he gets back [02:52] k [02:52] i don't know the status of his packages and 64bit [02:52] or mythtv and 64bit for that matter [02:52] i quit running 64bit... too many hasles. [02:53] lol, i starting running it to see if it would fix my mysql problem [02:53] egads [02:53] i was constantly running into problems running 64bit [02:54] switched over to 32 bit and never looked back [02:54] what kind of problems? [02:55] various drivers, firefox plugins, mythtv... LOL [02:55] ah [02:55] but at that time i was compiling mythtv [02:56] honestly, i never *noticed* a difference in speed between 32 and 64bit [02:56] video would transcode a little faster, but not much. [02:57] there shouldn't really be any speed difference, except for in transcoding [02:57] should be about 1.5 [02:57] faster [02:57] as i recall... roughly, yes. [02:57] but it wasn't worth it for all of the other hassles. [02:57] on a backend server, it probably would work well. [02:57] not much difference for shows, but if you do lots of transcoding [02:58] as things become more 64 bit, the gap should be noticable, but only for time intensive things [02:59] you aren't using a local repo? just the default ubuntu ones from the guides? [02:59] just from the guides [02:59] agreed... as more apps are written with 64bit capabilities. [03:00] when i installed openssh, i had to put the cd in, but since then i have removed everything but the 5 things i posted [03:00] you'd likely get a LOT better speeds out of a local repo [03:00] true [03:00] the two i switch between usually give me 1200Kbps [03:00] i should have some sort of local repo here. it would save me on the updating [03:00] what location? [03:01] but with fast internet i never really bothered [03:01] oregon, usa [03:04] gonna go grab some food, i should be back in about 1 hour [03:05] k [03:14] biab [03:16] hey guys [03:16] i didnt build the test packages for 64 bit [03:16] only 32 [03:16] ah [03:16] that requires two machines for me to do both [03:16] i suspected [03:16] the builds just finished on launchpad [03:16] as long as they dont need to be acked by admins, they will trickle right to the mirrors [03:16] :) [03:17] i'm not sure if they need to be though === majoridiot just realized he never hit "submit" on his pizza order [03:18] 'DOH! [03:19] haha [03:36] majoridiot, appears that its on archive.ubuntu.com now [03:36] that was quick :) [03:36] at least the i386 is [03:37] wow [03:37] that is fast :) [05:33] back [05:33] family likes to talk at dinner [05:33] thought it would never end [05:33] so no 64 bit huh? [05:34] superm1 said the new packages are in the main ubuntu repo [05:34] even 64 [05:34] not sure if that means 64 bit builds or not [05:34] the main repo being the ones in the guide? [05:35] yes [05:35] still looks like a no go [05:35] :( [05:37] amd64 built, its just a matter if it has updated on your local mirror yet [05:38] i see it sitting on archive.ubuntu.com [05:38] ah [05:38] yea and its on my mirror (mirror.cs.umn.edu) [05:38] just installed from it [05:42] is it in the universe? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:51] yay, installing now [06:04] tgm4883, hopefully this should be *much* *much* more smooth of an install than previous packages [06:05] seems to be so far [06:06] has the new packages changed the guide more than when just installing the backend [06:07] depends on whats "new" for you [06:07] there are also some checks now on group membership [06:07] for the frontend and backend [06:35] ok, in mythtv-setup now [06:35] is the time offset for xmltv listings [06:35] is that my minutes, or hours? [06:36] nm [06:38] :) [06:41] it appears that my pvr 150 is showing up twice under input connections, even though i only have 1 pvr150 under capture cards [06:42] there is more than one input on the card [06:42] I have 1 set (a set being tuner 1, svideo 1, composite 1, svideo 2, composite 2) for V4L (which I didn't setup), and 1 set for MPEG (which if I remember correctly is the pvr setup) [06:43] i have a total of 10 inputs [06:43] just for that card [06:43] but i should only have 5 [06:43] go back and delete all tuners then [06:43] and do them again [06:43] yup. [06:43] ok [06:44] ahh much better [06:44] im thinking it may have had something to do with the analog input on the hdtv 5500 [06:44] even though it wasn't setup [06:44] majoridiot, so do you think there needs more clarification with regard to if you did have a previous mysql password? [06:44] and even though they all showed the same device [06:45] superm1: there will be. i will add it to the guide. [06:45] or just leave that all to the packaging guide? [06:45] *guide [06:45] k === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jetsaredim [n=jgreenwa@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [06:57] should i get an error at the end of mythfilldatabase? [06:58] yes [06:58] if the backend is not running. [06:58] it is normal [06:58] ah [06:58] ok [06:58] cause it always worried me [06:58] of course if i read the guide i would have known that === majoridiot thought he had noted that in the mythfilldatabase section of the guide [06:58] instead i skim [06:59] majoridiot did [06:59] ;) [07:00] hmm [07:00] says mythbackend already running [07:00] do a restart instead of start [07:01] so confused [07:01] works though now [07:01] so its not running, but says its running, but then when restart, not really running [07:01] but started now [07:08] does the escape key no longer exit mythtvfronend? [07:09] it does [07:09] hmm [07:09] not working [07:09] fortunatly ctrl-alt-bksp does [07:16] does the backend auto start on boot, or do i need to add that somewhere? [07:16] autostarts [07:16] hmm, another problem then [07:16] check out /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [07:17] and see what happened [07:17] k [07:18] 2007-04-10 22:14:36.123 Using runtime prefix = /usr [07:18] 2007-04-10 22:14:36.866 New DB connection, total: 1 [07:18] 2007-04-10 22:14:36.995 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.0.4 [07:18] 2007-04-10 22:14:37.266 Current Schema Version: 1160 [07:18] No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. [07:18] Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page [07:18] of the general settings. [07:18] this is the end, a 4 minute gap between this and the rest (a reboot i suppose) [07:19] now 192.168.0.4 is my backend server, but it is a frontend/backend combo, so should i put localhost? [07:19] hm, did you by chance turn on the unique identifier option in the frontend? [07:19] yea [07:19] i think you might have encountered something i was trying to point out to majoridiot [07:20] wasn't i supposed to? [07:20] ah [07:20] remove ~/.mythtv [07:20] and restart the computer [07:20] and dont do that [07:20] see if thing sare better [07:21] remove it from the mythtv user? [07:21] yes [07:25] That seems to have fixed it [07:26] yes, so i was right. :) [07:26] i'll let majoridiot know that part about unique identifiers needs to be clarified [07:26] because this is way to easy for people to mix up [07:28] i have some weird channels i never had before. When trying to watch them (and see what they are) i seem to have crashed the backend [07:28] on the HD5000 i'm taking it [07:28] er 5500 [07:28] yea [07:29] froze the comp i thin [07:29] k [07:30] most likely encrypted channels [07:30] that i would take off the list if i was you [07:30] thats the unfortunate thing about hunting down channels that work when it comes to HD [07:31] ok, will take them off the list. Although, i dont get many channels to begin with (dont even have expanded cable) [07:32] what really bugs me is comcast strips the HD signal of some info, so I have to manually enter the channel id in mythweb [07:32] whoa, rebooted, still no backend. [07:33] tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log still? [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.120 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.466 Current Schema Version: 1160 [07:33] Starting up as the master server. [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.625 New DB connection, total: 2 [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.661 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.772 EITHelper: localtime offset -7:00:00 [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.795 New DB connection, total: 3 [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.805 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost [07:33] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.961 DVBChan(0) Warning: Symbol Rate setting (0) is out of range (min/max:5056941/10762000) [07:34] 2007-04-10 22:31:52.996 EITHelper: localtime offset -7:00:00 [07:34] oh sure, now its running === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-111-191-188.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:35] but doesn't seem to find the backend server as mythtv user [07:35] was it just a fluke maybe? [07:35] backend was still starting [07:35] etc [07:36] i switched back over to the mythtv user and still can't connect to the backend [07:38] hm [07:38] whats it telling you? [07:38] a gui error? [07:38] or a command line error? [07:39] standard cannot connect to backend server in mythtv frontend [07:39] im going to try rebooting again [07:40] not password related or anythign though [07:40] right [07:40] just the standard "backend has gone away" [07:40] etc [07:40] yea [07:44] seems to be back working now [07:44] weird [07:46] i bet the backend was still starting up the backend process [07:46] and thats all [07:48] probably [07:52] tgm4883, majoridiot just updated the page about unique identifiers compared to what it said before [07:52] it now says " FE_3.png [07:52] [07:52] Do not check this box unless you know exactly what you are doing. It will cause errors if used incorrectly. You have been warned. " [07:53] sweet [07:55] tgm4883, was the install fairly straightforward and painless then? [07:55] particularly the ubuntu specific parts (package install, init scripts etc) [07:55] yea pretty straightforward once the amd64 version hit my repos [07:56] haha well you cant blame me for that - the packages were JUST uploaded like 6 hours ago [08:03] is there a place to chage font size besides in appearance? [08:04] you can change DPI [08:04] of the X server [08:04] that might be what i need to do, cause the text is small [08:04] cant read it from the couch [08:04] nvidia card? [08:04] yea [08:04] well [08:04] onboard [08:04] nvidia prop drivers [08:04]