[12:40] <giangy> hi manchicken, seele, lnxkde
[12:41] <manchicken> Howdy
[12:41] <Riddell> bdmurray: pong
[12:41] <Daskreech> Riddell: ping
[12:42] <Riddell> ...
[12:42] <Daskreech> Riddell: :)
[12:42] <Riddell> honk
[12:42] <Daskreech> How do you invoke the update manager ?
[12:42] <Riddell> follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[12:43] <Daskreech> Suppose that does not work?
[12:43] <bdmurray> Riddell: sometimes the kpowermanager applet becomes undocked from the systray have you seen a bug about that?
[12:43] <Riddell> which part does't work?
[12:43] <Riddell> bdmurray: I have not
[12:43] <Daskreech> Ah
[12:43] <Daskreech> update-manager -d
[12:43] <Daskreech> Not that part
[12:43] <Riddell> that's ubuntu
[12:44] <Daskreech> well some people delayed upgrading
[12:44] <bdmurray> it happens with adept too
[12:45] <Daskreech> When they were ready they couldn't find out how to get the upgrade prompt
[12:55] <Riddell> Daskreech: the upgrade prompt went away when the packages in feisty-proposed went away, but you can run the tool manually as now described by that help page
[12:56] <Riddell> bdmurray: does this happen spontaniously or on startup?
[12:58] <giangy> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/ibiblio-announce/2007-April/000174.html mh.
[12:58] <bdmurray> Riddell: sometimes after logging in
[01:14] <Riddell> hi Arby, thanks for doing the testing today
[01:14] <Arby> no probs
[01:14] <Arby> since your here I have a question
[01:14] <yuriy> bdmurray: with beryl??
[01:14] <Riddell> bdmurray: I'm entirely unsure, there shouldn't be any recent changes in that systray code
[01:14] <Arby> Riddell: doing an erase disk install I've just hit bug #99908
[01:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99908
[01:15] <Arby> Riddell: exact same symptoms just now
[01:15] <Arby> I've tried the fix suggested by Colin Watson but it isn't working this time
[01:16] <Arby> Riddell: does that constitute a show stopper?
[01:17] <Riddell> Arby: wibble, not sure
[01:17] <Riddell> Arby: heno did say that erase disk worked for him
[01:18] <Arby> Riddell: yes I saw that
[01:18] <Riddell> I can't go around erasing any of my hard disks alas
[01:18] <Riddell> Arby: do you have scsi disks?
[01:18] <Arby> I'm happy to try stuff if you can make any guesses
[01:18] <Arby> Riddell: yes
[01:18] <Riddell> maybe that's the issue
[01:19] <Riddell> probably cjwatson can help more than I can
[01:19] <Arby> OK I'll try and find him in #ubuntu-devel.
[01:20] <Riddell> he'll be asleep just now
[01:20] <Arby> ah, yes.
[01:20] <Riddell> you could install ubiquity-frontend-gtk and see if that works or not
[01:21] <Arby> I can try, I didn't know I could install while running a liveCD.
[01:21] <Riddell> should be able to
[01:21] <Riddell> if you have a good amount of swap
[01:22] <Arby> I'll give it a go
[01:22] <Arby> should I comment on the existing bug or file a new one.
[01:22] <Riddell> existing one
[01:22] <Arby> OK
[02:19] <flaccid> is it ok if you get rid of !baddevice / wacom ?
[02:20] <flaccid> please
[02:23] <Riddell> no, people want to use tablets
[02:23] <flaccid> then write a detection or something
[02:25] <Riddell> patches welcome
[02:25] <flaccid> i don't have the ability
[02:25] <flaccid> its stuff like this that for new users makes kubuntu look bad
[02:26] <Riddell> it would look worse if their graphics tablet didn't work
[02:26] <flaccid> like i said write a script
[02:26] <jjesse> wow i was wondering why you were up so late :)
[02:26] <flaccid> i would but i dont have the ability
[02:26] <flaccid> other operating systems don't have a problem handling this transparently
[02:27] <firephoto> # Change to  # /dev/input/event   # for USB  heh, it looks like it takes some manual user interaction anyway unless you have some really old hardware.
[02:32] <flaccid> for example i've been helping in #kubuntu for over a year now. i've helped people that with the wacom issue at least over a 100 times
[02:33] <flaccid> it gets in the way of a lot of things. new users think they have errors or they package install failed. some have even gone to the extent of a reinstall to try to fix it.
[02:34] <flaccid> "this is just so people who have wacom tablets can use them"
[02:35] <flaccid> "wtf does that have to do with me, this is not a wacom tablet"
[02:35] <flaccid> :)
[02:45] <ArtMoonik> hello, I have some problems with my Feisty, konqueror and kopete don't work
[02:45] <ArtMoonik> it means that konqueror can't access at any http sites
[02:46] <ArtMoonik> whereas I can browse my ftp
[02:47] <ArtMoonik> firefox works for the sames sites where konqueror doesn't
[02:57] <jjesse> its been awhile since i download a kubuntu cd, but is there a reason that it is now just a dvd and not a cd?
[02:59] <flaccid> i guess you guys are asleep. i'm sure you'll read my messages and action when you are awake :)
[03:05] <stdin> jjesse: there are CDs and a DVD
[03:06] <jjesse> stdin: must have missed it at relases.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <dandel> jjesse, hey know which person maintains the us mirrors, because it's missing some of hte dev and debug packages completely... lol.
[03:08] <jjesse> dandel: no i don't
[03:09] <stdin> dandel: that info should be on launchpad somewhere
[03:12] <ScottK> The US mirrors are pretty notorius for being unreliable.
[03:14] <ScottK> There are other mirrors - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !staff is <reply> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[05:17] <ubotu> But staff already means something else!
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !no staff is <reply> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[05:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about staff yet, Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> damned bot
[05:18] <Jucato> lol
[05:18] <Jucato> !-staff
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <Jucato> O.o
[05:19] <Hobbsee> it's broken
[05:19] <Jucato> break it even more!
[05:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sebas: ping?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sebas: we appear to have borken icons for your newest upload of g-p-m
[05:47] <Hobbsee> it's showing as charging, yet the tooltip (which is correct) says the battery has about 35%
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[06:31] <manchicken> I never noticed anybody telling me not to put the sorting stuff back into adept.
[06:31] <manchicken> Does anybody know why it was disabled?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[06:37] <Hobbsee> we appear ot have icon botchups...yay
[06:38] <nixternal> hey, is there anything new for the RC tomorrow?
[06:38] <Jucato> and with just 8 days to go :)
[06:38] <nixternal> or please tell me that the RC is being pushed back a day or 2
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the big freeze is tomorrow
[06:38] <Hobbsee> apparently
[06:38] <Jucato> ah well... *apparently* :D
[06:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023552.html is the thing i've heard
[06:38] <nixternal> hrmm, I need to go through the commits
[06:39] <nixternal> I have been so busy I have almost forgot about them
[06:39] <nixternal> what do you mean by that?
[06:40] <nixternal> I am working on the PHP for the release notes now
[06:40] <Jucato> a sort of compilation of the major changes in Feisty
[06:40] <Jucato> feature changes, that is... like compiling the changes mentioned since Herd 1
[06:40] <nixternal> oh, hmm, maybe I can add a link to a txt file displaying all the changes, or make up a wiki page to do that
[06:40] <Hobbsee> err.....this si not good
[06:41] <Jucato> nixternal: for now... that would probably be ok :)
[06:41] <Jucato> but maybe in the future, we could put it in the main docs as well for offline reading
[06:41] <Jucato> (who knows, maybe I'll be able to help in feisty+1 :D)
[06:46] <nixternal> hey, please tell me that when I build the next docs package with all translations it will be able to get in before release
[06:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i would assume so...
[06:47] <nixternal> whew, I hope so. I am hoping to have a package with some translations this week. This has been a horrible translation release for Kubuntu-docs
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i cant either
[06:49] <Jucato> ah but you do packaging... maybe I'll feel better when I can really do something more than just user support :D
[06:49] <Hobbsee> user support's also very useful :P
[06:49] <Jucato> oh yes... but it's getting monotonous for me (and that's not good...)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> indeed.  why do you think i stopped doing it?
[06:50] <Jucato> hehe :P
[06:50] <giangy> 'morning
[06:51] <nixternal> Kernel (2.6.20-14), K3b (1.0), OpenOffice.org (2.2.0), and Guidance
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
[06:51] <nixternal> those seem like 4 good updates to talk about for this set of release notes
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm sure there's more :P
[06:51] <nixternal> well, I just went from 3/23 until today
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: new basket, maybe, but that's in universe
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:51] <nixternal> and those stood out
[06:52] <nixternal> ya, I kind of went for Main
[06:52] <nixternal> I will fill it with content tomorrow
[06:53] <nixternal> So, I have the website release notes to do, wiki release notes for RC to do, and translations for Kubuntu docs to do
[06:53] <nixternal> this should be fun, and done by Sunday!
[06:53] <nixternal> OK, for feisty+1, it is time to get into more dev work
[06:53] <Jucato> hm... I guess the 3 nvidia drivers wouldn't be put into the release notes (for Kubuntu)
[06:53] <nixternal> getting to do some c++ triage with KTorrent just wasn't enough to satisfy my hunger
[06:54] <nixternal> I actually got to fix a security whole from Breezy to Feisty
[06:54] <Jucato> a whole security? wow!
[06:54] <nixternal> heh
[06:54] <Jucato> !info kdar edgy
[06:54] <ubotu> kdar: archive data to disc. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1268 kB, installed size 2212 kB
[06:54] <nixternal> you had me reread my sentence
[06:54] <Jucato> :D
[06:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: any ideas about kdar on feisty?
[06:54] <nixternal> it isn't there?
[06:54] <Jucato> nope
[06:54] <nixternal> I just looked, what exactly is it?
[06:55] <Jucato> !info kdar feisty
[06:55] <ubotu> Package kdar does not exist in feisty
[06:55] <Jucato> a backup utility, more advanced than Keep I think
[06:55] <nixternal> sounds like it would be a KDE Wifi Radar
[06:55] <nixternal> orly
[06:55] <nixternal> nothing is more advanced than crontab and svn :)
[06:55] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:56] <Jucato> s/svn/git or s/svn/bzr
[06:56] <Jucato> http://kdar.sourceforge.net/
[06:58] <nixternal> I have a script that does 'ls -al --sort=time'. That will then compare the list of dates to the last known backup and if it is different, it gets copied to /bkup and then it will cd /bkup && svn commit -m "date"
[06:58] <nixternal> it works every now and then, it still needs way more tweaking
[06:58] <nixternal> I haven't figured out how to just branch ~/
[06:59] <nixternal> so then crontab will just have to cd /home/nixternal/ && svn commit -m "date"
[06:59] <nixternal> but then again I don't know if anyone has
[06:59] <nixternal> I know there is either a spec for the timebased backups of ~/ kind of like the MS rollback feature
[07:01] <Jucato> nixternal: seen http://kitenet.net/~joey/svnhome/ or http://toykeeper.net/tutorials/svnhome ?
[07:03] <fdoving> Jucato: not recommended for ~ maybe docs/ - you need to svn add all new files etc. not very nice.
[07:03] <Jucato> ah.. hm... :)
[07:04] <fdoving> I use rdiff-backup and backupninja, it's simple and good enought for me.
[07:04] <fdoving> on my laptop/desktop systems that is.
[07:07] <ScottK> nixternal: For the release notes, I know a fair amount about mail server related stuff that's changed.  Do you need any inputs for that?
[07:10] <fdoving> whoha.. what's making a "jungle-drum" sound?
[07:11] <Jucato> O.o
[07:11] <fdoving> it's a sound effect of soem program.. almost scared me to death.
[07:11] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:11] <yuriy> doesn't ubuntu have jungle sound effects? or was that just something during edgy dev?
[07:11] <Jucato> ubuntu's default startup sound
[07:11] <Jucato> but definitely nothing scary :)
[07:12] <fdoving> Jucato: i (belived i) had all sounds off.
[07:12] <Jucato> oooh jungle drums and unexplained phenomena... sounds like voodoo :)
[07:12] <yuriy> i finally got around to turning off the annoying error sounds
[07:13] <yuriy> p.s. those are really annoying
[07:13] <fdoving> jungledrums early in the morning can be scary.
[07:14] <fdoving> totaly agree. might be ok if your volume is very very low. mine isn't.
[07:14] <fdoving> well.. prepare for work. bye.
[07:15] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm going to be, but I'll read the scrollback if you want inputs.
[08:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kdar is broken beyond repair.  doesnt exist
[08:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: aaah oh... umm... ok :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: didnt acutally build with the version of dar in the repos
[08:19] <Jucato> heh ok... not really an important thing for me. just remembered that there was someone asking about it months ago
[08:19] <Jucato> and that I came across the name of the app while doing my backup searching :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, Lotusleaf
[08:20] <Jucato> aaah
[08:20] <Jucato> my memory fails me again :)
[08:21] <Jucato> and soon my hearing too! :D
[10:36] <Tonio_> hi
[10:36] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[10:37] <Jucato> hi Tonio_ :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping
[10:38] <Tonio_> hey Jucato
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news for me and kubuntu, you should read your email :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm waiting for Riddell to read before announcing here :)
[10:47] <Jucato> ah ok ehhehe :)
[10:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: bonjour
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: ca va ?
[10:48] <Jucato> ooh he's there :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: /me is in a very good news ;)
[10:49] <Jucato> heheh
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[10:49] <Jucato> wonder if the Gutsy Gibbon will make Tonio_ happier :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: no way!
[10:50] <Jucato> lol! so I guess you've read it :D
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: to make it simple, I'll be in a few days the second person paid to work on kubuntu
[10:50] <Jucato> w00t!!!!!
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: not by canonical, but by linagora
[10:50] <Riddell> Jucato: hey, how do you know that?
[10:50] <Jucato> Riddell: motu? :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> 40% of my working time will be dedicated to kubuntu, based at home :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> I was so affraid not to have time to contrib once I get a new job......
[10:52] <Tonio_> that happened to raphink, imbrandon etc....
[10:52] <Tonio_> I must have a lot of chance
[10:52] <Jucato> heh now you won't have to worry! it's the perfect job! :D
[10:52] <Tonio_> yup :)
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you do the other 60%?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: various work for linagora
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: including working on the migration to kubuntu for the french parliament
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that also might help kubuntu too
[10:53] <kwwii> Tonio_: congrats man! you deserved it
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example I had to patch kaffeine for gstreamer 0.10 compatiblity
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll also be added to kubuntu for gutsy
[10:54] <raphink> Tonio_: heh! I do contrib... Not as much but still ;)
[10:54] <raphink> all the things I patch here I contrib to Debian or upstream
[10:54] <Tonio_> raphink: but you lack time, that's what I ment
[10:54] <raphink> :p
[10:54] <Jucato> :)
[10:55] <Tonio_> I'll have the chance to have enough time to continue the way I did before
[10:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks :)
[10:55] <raphink> :)
[10:55] <raphink> Tonio_: la paie en plus
[10:55] <Tonio_> raphink: euh, waip :)
[10:55] <Jucato> oooh here they go again :D
[10:56] <raphink> who goes what?
[10:56] <Jucato> the french talk :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> raphink: je sais pas pourquoi, mais il semblerait que Jucato adore lire du franais :)
[10:57] <raphink> at least I know Linagora has made the best choice for their migration
[10:57] <raphink> I was wondering who they would hire for this great work
[10:57] <raphink> and they couldn't choose wiser
[10:57] <raphink> on dirait bien Tonio_
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: thanks :)
[10:58] <Jucato> great choice, great work, great employee :)
[11:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hehe i still contrib , just not on irc as much :)
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> moins kwwii , Riddell , raphink :)
[11:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: as I said to raphink, I ment "not as much time as they had before" ;)
[11:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:13] <raphink> hi imbrandon, kwwii & Riddell too
[11:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sorry if I wasn't clear :)
[11:13] <kwwii> hi guys
[11:13] <raphink> Tonio_: sure, I had much more time when I didn't work
[11:14] <imbrandon> Tonio_, np, i was just teasin ya a bit
[11:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe
[11:14] <raphink> but I couldn't pay for my own flat ;)
[11:14] <imbrandon> Tonio_, actualy 3rd though, GSI pays me to work on {k}ubuntu too ( 20% of my time )
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: oh ! didn't knew that :)
[11:15] <Tonio_> cool
[11:15] <imbrandon> ( like i'm actualy at work right now working on some ubuntu stuff hehe )
[11:15] <raphink> great :)
[11:15] <Jucato> :D
[11:17] <imbrandon> btw kwwii did i tell you how much i absolutely love the kubuntu feisty uspalsh ?
[11:17] <kwwii> imbrandon: good to hear that :-)
[11:17] <imbrandon> that image alone converted 2 co-workers at home to kubuntu :)
[11:18] <Jucato> wow! the power of good artwork!
[11:18] <raphink> yep :)
[11:18] <kwwii> gutsy should be even better
[11:18] <imbrandon> it was vista or kubuntu, that usplash + beryl did the trick :)
[11:18] <Jucato> kwwii: you'll still be on board for gutsy right? :D
[11:19] <Jucato> ooh beryl :D
[11:19] <kwwii> Jucato: looks like it
[11:19] <raphink> did you guys see the beryl+touchscreen video?
[11:19] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea the bane of my existance right now
[11:19] <imbrandon> raphink, yea
[11:19] <raphink> it rocks
[11:19] <Jucato> was that beryl or compiz? anyway, yeah it rocks! :)
[11:19] <imbrandon> it is slick
[11:20] <larsivi> I'm testing out the next Xorg release (due to bad old intel driver)- how can I make kdm/kde use Xorg from some other prefix (/usr/local in mycase)
[11:20] <imbrandon> hrm, probably have to modify your path and kdmrc
[11:21] <imbrandon> not sure 100%
[11:26] <larsivi> hmm, ok, must try :P
[11:26] <Tonio_> raphink: url to the video ?
[11:27] <raphink> atta
[11:27] <raphink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk
[11:28] <raphink> aprs il y en a d'autres
[11:29] <raphink> genre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWRN4kwUGo
[11:30] <raphink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LQwLG3HCMM&mode=related&search=
[11:30] <raphink> this one is nice
[11:32] <Jucato> oooh very nice
[11:32] <Tonio_> hum, is the monitor shiped with a cleaning kit ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> I wonder how much fat on the screen at the end of the day
[11:34] <Jucato> heheh
[11:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, lol
[11:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no eating dinnner at the computer :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I already played with such screens......; nightmare to get them clean
[11:44] <imbrandon> that would be cool if laptop displays were touchscreen
[11:45] <ben^> hi, does anybody know, when the 7.04 release candidate images will be available today?
[11:45] <imbrandon> ben^, no specific time
[11:45] <imbrandon> just when they are done(ish)
[11:45] <ben^> ok, thx
[11:47] <Jucato> if they are done today :)
[11:59] <allee> Tonio_: is digikam upload postponed to after RC?  Bug 102912
[12:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 102912 in digikam "newest caching algorithm patch broke image editor" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102912
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: no will do today, I wasn't available yesterday as I was in paris
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: but that's on my today plans
[12:03] <allee> Tonio_: k. no problem  Thx.
[12:04] <imbrandon> seems like the release schedule is all about gnome , no care for when KDE is released, thats why we always run into problems *groans*
[12:04] <Jucato> :(
[12:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there shouldn't be a kde release in that dev cycle
[12:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no 3.5.7 planed afaik
[12:05] <imbrandon> i know but still
[12:05] <Jucato> the fact that KDE doesn't have a predictable dev cycle doesn't help either :(
[12:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: +1
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii: there's no test results from you on isotesting
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam, closing an important issue
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you approve ?
[12:29] <kwwii> Riddell: right, downloading an iso now
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: Bug 102912
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, although mention it to mithrandir too
[12:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 102912 in digikam "newest caching algorithm patch broke image editor" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102912
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: pointing out that it's not critical for a release candidate or herd 6
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: sad its too late to upload kaffeine with gstreamer 0.10 support
[12:30] <Riddell> way too late
[12:33] <Tonio__> grmpf.......
[12:33] <Tonio__> I already said that, guidance-power-manager should insult the user when the battery level goes to zero
[12:33] <Tonio__> not enought warning in my opinion :) I just ran out of battery :)
[12:39] <Jucato> aaah... I will be experiencing the joys and pains of power manager/saving very soon :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> allee: digikam uploaded, mithrandir will approve
[12:58] <Tonio_> hum, PalmOS switching to linux :) intereting news :)
[01:00] <allee> Tonio_: great. Thx!
[01:03] <jsgotangco> Tonio_: i don't think its Access-initiative though, but Palm's previous effort bearing fruit now
[01:03] <Tonio_> jsgotangco: sure
[01:09] <larsivi> do anyone know if xorg snapshots are made into ubuntu debs? I see they are in debian experimental
[01:14] <Riddell> not by default they aren't
[01:15] <larsivi> no, I guessed that, more wondered if anyone had ventured to do it - I'm running it directly from git atm - but would rather not do that for too long
[01:26] <Riddell> imbrandon or anyone: know what compiz-kde does these days?
[01:26] <imbrandon> hrm
[01:26] <imbrandon> not sure on the compiz side but i can find out
[01:27] <imbrandon> on the beryl side its a meta package
[01:28] <imbrandon> Riddell, it will probably be largely replaced by kdwm ( sp? ) from davidr/compiz
[01:28] <imbrandon> its all kinda in shambles right now with the merge happening
[01:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, btw , why is there only alternate kubuntu daily ?
[01:30] <Riddell> erm, why is there a new alternate is the real question
[01:30] <imbrandon> heh
[01:44] <MidMark> fdoving: which solution at the end you used for patching usb safely remove bug?
[01:44] <MidMark> I'm Cimmo :)
[01:45] <Riddell> mhb: dude! http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[01:50] <Riddell> abattoir: got any summer of code tips for mhb?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey all
[01:52] <abattoir> hi Riddell!
[01:52] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee, too :)
[01:52] <abattoir> mhb: Congrats!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir
[01:53] <abattoir> hmm... tips...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> sebas: here yet?
[02:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: ping ?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you test out that powermanager fix that you uploaded?
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, or at least it didn't break anything for me
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when my laptop is discharging, i get the "full battery charging" icon
[02:04] <Hobbsee> correct tooltip, with the correct icon on the tooltip
[02:04] <Hobbsee> but the icon on kicker is botched.
[02:10] <Riddell> my machines aren't on feisty just now so I can't confirm yet
[02:10] <Hobbsee> right
[02:11] <Riddell> kwwii: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/  your specs are not yet marked as implemented, don't you care about karma?!
[02:11] <kwwii> Riddell: hehe, didn't even think about it :-)
[02:16] <kwwii> Riddell: now they are , thanks for the reminder
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems various forums-type people are confirming that, too
[02:54] <nixternal> OK, Gutsy Gibbon...I don't know what to say
[02:54] <Jucato> :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmm...trippy
[02:54] <Hobbsee> this si *seriously* broken
[02:54] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406166
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it's not showing the time remaining either - only fully charged
[02:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: poke sebas
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have been, as soon as i found it.  he's not been here
[02:59] <Hobbsee> or when he was, i was at wrok
[03:00] <Jucato> he hasn't been here (iirc)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> [23:00]  [Whois]  sebas has been idle for 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 27 seconds.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> so he obviously was somewhere
[03:01] <Jucato> :)
[03:01] <Jucato> he also posted something on his blog..so he might have been online somewhere :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I confirm, it's broken
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[03:08] <Jucato> cool that it's broken or cool that it's confirmed? :D
[03:09] <Hobbsee> the latter :P
[03:09] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> it's unsettling that it's broken
[03:09] <Hobbsee> and flights confirmed.  yay :)
[03:09] <Jucato> yay!
[03:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how many hours travelling?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: too many
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [22:58]  <elkbuntu> now, let me calculate time
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <elkbuntu> 35 hrs for me
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <elkbuntu> shold still be 32 for you
[03:10] <Hobbsee> it seems
[03:10] <Riddell> take a good book
[03:10] <nixternal> wow!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> and talk ot elky.  yes
[03:10] <nixternal> there is no way on earth I would be in the air that darn long
[03:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you have to fly 8 or so hours to get anywhere useful
[03:11] <nixternal> I hate being higher than 10' anyways
[03:11] <Hobbsee> but it's broken up into sections....
[03:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I didn't realize that either
[03:11] <nixternal> that is odd, I don't remember flying that long when we went to Australia a few years back
[03:11] <Jucato> 35 hours?!?!
[03:13] <Riddell> nixternal: you don't live in europe
[03:13] <nixternal> not yet at least!
[03:13] <nixternal> but if my x-wife has her way, we will next year
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i count 29 hours
[03:14] <nixternal> ya, she said we flew for 26 hours from D.C. to Australia
[03:14] <Hobbsee> going back might be longer
[03:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I hear there is a large Greek population in Sydney, if you run into um, careful they are seudo-in-laws ;p
[03:16] <nixternal> hola kwwii
[03:17] <kwwii> howdy nixternal
[03:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[03:17] <nixternal> interesting
[03:17] <nixternal> I was asked the same when I was down there
[03:17] <nixternal> I am like nah, I am just a hillbilly for the states
[03:18] <nixternal> s/for/from
[03:18] <kwwii> Riddell: one question: if the live-cd only finds one wireless network (and that is the only network to at all) shouldn't it pick it by default?
[03:18] <nixternal> my spelling is getting worse every day
[03:18] <ben^> does the ubuntu installer support dmraid?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm jealous.   living in europe would be fun
[03:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I want to live in either Greece or Spain
[03:19] <nixternal> my x-wife was raised all over Euripe, so she loves it, and visiting it, I love it
[03:19] <nixternal> see, I did it again
[03:19] <nixternal> s/Euripe/Europe
[03:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice :)
[03:19] <nixternal> I seriously thing I had a seizure or something recently. I am switching letters all of the time, but only on IRC
[03:20] <nixternal> IRC Difingerfumbling Disorder
[03:20] <nixternal> IDD, I have it!
[03:21] <nixternal> s/thing/think/ ^^
[03:21] <Hobbsee> 26 hours, 15 mins coming back
[03:21] <nixternal> grrr
[03:22] <nixternal> that sounds about the same for us to Australia
[03:26] <nixternal> A great book that I am in the process of reading, William Faulkner, As I Lay Dying
[03:26] <nixternal> I tried to read the original book, but it was tough, so I have the edited text version, which they claim is Faulkner on training wheels, still a tough read at times, but a masterpiece in literature and philosophy I think
[03:28] <kwwii> Riddell: if you don't answer I won't fill out the web-form ;-)
[03:30] <Riddell> kwwii: goodness knows, network manager's behavious is a bit of a mystery
[03:30] <kwwii> Riddell: well, it was still available and it worked when selected, but for a newbie that would be impossible to find
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know if nixternal's langpacks got in, which he was talking about yesterday?
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: never heard of them
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, documentation.  not langpacks
[03:34] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am waiting for a more complete translation first, I will do them this weekend
[03:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahh.   not sur ehow soon you need them done by
[03:35] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems today
[03:35] <nixternal> ouch
[03:37] <nixternal> and the great thing is, I can't even get into LP to download them
[03:38] <kwwii> Riddell: I added that as a note to the ISO-testing page (and now I have fulfilled my obligation)
[03:39] <mhb> yaaah!!!
[03:39] <mhb> :o)
[03:40] <mhb> Riddell: thanks so much for the good news!!!
[03:40] <TheInfinity> hello ... has someone heard from a bug with font paths in vncserver packages?
[03:40] <TheInfinity> because ... i set the font paths to the right value in vnc.conf
[03:40] <TheInfinity> and vncserver just ignore them
[03:42] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[03:42] <Hobbsee> vnc?  not kubuntu specific.  try #ubuntu+1
[03:42] <Hobbsee> or maybe #ubuntu-motu
[03:42] <Hobbsee> and check the bugtracker
[04:08] <allee> nixternal: about translations.  Would it make still sense to patch into digikam latest translations from kde svn?
[04:09] <nixternal> it makes sense to me, however I don't know about doing those translations. like I don't know if what is current in SVN may be off sync with what we currently have in the repos
[04:14] <mhb> allee: translations will be closed at 23:00 UTC
[04:14] <mhb> allee: upload any .po file before 18:00 and it will get in
[04:14] <mhb> allee: after that use the online tool
[04:14] <nixternal> LP is garbage!
[04:14] <nixternal> mark my word on that at this point in time
[04:14] <allee> mhb: uhm, that's tights.  Nevertheless thx!
[04:14] <allee> nixternal: heh, I will not use rosetta for sure.
[04:14] <nixternal> I need 2 more files and LP keeps choking
[04:14] <nixternal> I know they aren't doing work on it during the final day before freeze
[04:17] <jsgotangco> translations direct upstream always has its advantages
[04:17] <nixternal> we need to rethink our translation process for sure
[04:17] <nixternal> OMG DIE LAUNCHPAD
[04:17] <nixternal> I have 1 more translation download and it keeps choking
[04:17] <jsgotangco> no one's forcing you to use it for translations :)
[04:18] <nixternal> jsgotangco: umm yes they are for docs unfortunately
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yay
[04:18] <nixternal> KDE does a damn good job, as does GNOME with the way they do their
[04:18] <nixternal> s
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya
[04:19] <mhb> nixternal: well, I'd disagree
[04:19] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:19] <jsgotangco> well you *are* upstream at the moment
[04:19] <nixternal> mhb: with what?
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:20] <mhb> nixternal: depends if you're talking about translation systems or not :o)
[04:20] <mhb> nixternal: if not then I'm just a confused fellow
[04:22] <nixternal> well our system is good...but it isn't great, is slow, and now with Kubuntu docs, lets just say a good 50% or more won't be translated because nobody worked on them
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: yes, it is slow
[04:23] <jsgotangco> nixternal: NO PONY FOR YOU
[04:23] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: NO PONY OR MONKEY FOR YOU
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: but on the other hand KDE is quite translated here because SUSE pays people to do just that
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: Novell, more exactly
[04:23] <Hobbsee> please tell me we arent duplicating work translating kde then
[04:24] <jsgotangco> yeah that would be terrible terrible
[04:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: we shouldn't be
[04:24] <mhb> no
[04:24] <Tonio_> anyone here already tried peazip ?
[04:24] <nixternal> Tonio_: yes
[04:24] <nixternal> it is pretty cool
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: good
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[04:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: yep
[04:24] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> peazip?  *looks it up*
[04:24] <nixternal> I have to have a zip app for school on my windows box
[04:24] <nixternal> it is free and it works with everything
[04:24] <mhb> nixternal: with the little time for the doc translations, you could expect something like that
[04:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: looks like more complete ark is.......
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: link?
[04:25] <nixternal> Tonio_: that is exactly what it reminds me of
[04:25] <Jucato> ooh something better than ark?!?! :D
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: but you can't blame people for not doing their work
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: as translators
[04:25] <nixternal> sure I can
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: ok, I take the blame
[04:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: on kde-apps
[04:25] <mhb> :o)
[04:25] <nixternal> if they don't do their work, then they are to blame :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: is there a qt/kde frontend ?
[04:25] <nixternal> mhb: it is all your fault then!!! :p
[04:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: only gtk references here
[04:26] <Tonio_> nixternal: although it is on kde-apps
[04:26] <nixternal> Tonio_: I haven't looked..ya gtk is all I have seen
[04:26] <nixternal> orly
[04:26] <nixternal> I can't remember how I found it
[04:26] <jsgotangco> one lazy sunday afternoon i bet
[04:27] <Tonio_> hum qt version is in the work....
[04:27] <Tonio_> we'll have to wait :)
[04:28] <nixternal> cool!
[04:28] <nixternal> alright, seeing as I am late for school, I need to get running really fast :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we've got a name and a schedule for feisty+1, btw
[04:28] <nixternal> later!
[04:28] <mhb> nixternal: see you
[04:28] <nixternal> Ubuntu 7.10 - Tremendously Tonio
[04:29] <nixternal> oh mhb before I go, IT IS YOUR FAULT ;P
[04:29] <nixternal> hahaha, kthxbye
[04:29] <nixternal> I didn't walk 5' and heard the beep
[04:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're wanted
[04:59] <Jucato> nixternal: have you seen this, might be intersting for you translator types :) http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=85B77CD7BD8B30B1
[05:06] <superstoned> Riddell: hey, I wonder why there is no link on the kubuntu.org page to http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu as it is a pretty nice and visual overview of what kubuntu is, and such info is lacking from the kubuntu page. Linking to the 'what's new' in the latest kubuntu would be cool too. I wonder when/if kubuntu.org gets some love anyway. not that it's bad, but Ubuntu.com got several remakes since kubuntu.org was build ;-)
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[05:37] <dinosaur-rus> updating to udev 108 is dangerous...
[05:43] <fdoving> Tonio_: around?
[05:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure :)
[05:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: I just tested your latest solution for the unmount thing
[05:44] <fdoving> Tonio_: the error you get is a d-bus timeout one.
[05:44] <fdoving> got your mails btw.
[05:44] <Tonio_> I still get the error window, wasn't that supposed to be in the unmount dialog ?
[05:44] <fdoving> the solution to your first problem.. mountpoints with spaces is simple.
[05:44] <fdoving> Tonio_: no. i didn't go with that for feisty as it will kill all other possible errors too.
[05:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: maybe I just missunderstood you, I thought you would put the dbus error in the unmount window :)
[05:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay
[05:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: works here, but I had a little issue...... when I get the timeout error, the device becomes locked and I cannot access it
[05:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: but I have been able to unmount it, btw
[05:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: ok. there seems to be more issues with this, not just the simple "no umount dialog".
[05:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep, I would suggest to stay with the latest kdebase upload
[05:46] <Daskreech> is it really called gutsy?
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: and eventually work for a better solution for gutsy
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: was that your plan ?
[05:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: yes.
[05:47] <Jucato> Daskreech: yes
[05:47] <fdoving> is it named gutsy?
[05:47] <Jucato> Gutsy Gibbon
[05:47] <Tonio_> I just didn't understood the plan concerning the kernel blobs etc....
[05:48] <Tonio_> will everything be removed from the distro or will that for example be an alternative kernel so that we will be able to easilly "clean" the distro from anything proprietary ?
[05:49] <jsgotangco> like gnewsense perhaps
[05:49] <jsgotangco> or gnewsense itself
[05:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee thinks the latter too
[05:49] <Hobbsee> thta's a good question.  maybe 2 kernels, on that basis
[05:50] <jsgotangco> you'll have lots of laptops running ipw not running at all heh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu surely wouldnt get rid of binary blobs by default - mark's not on that much crack.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> everyone on wifi would look for another distro
[05:50] <Hobbsee> well, except the purists, who have already left
[05:50] <jsgotangco> its nice to know this laptop can be purist
[05:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you test the new http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_umountwrapper ? does that work with keys with spaces in mountpoint?
[05:52] <dinosaur-rus> can purging the old kernel break something?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: shouldnt do
[05:52] <dinosaur-rus> well
[05:52] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: purging kernels not in use will only free disk space.
[05:53] <Daskreech> Tonio_: You should see the Vista one. The battery just turns red
[05:54] <dinosaur-rus> please change hooks /etc/kernel-img.conf to /usr/sbin/update-grub and get rid of /sbin/update-grub's warnings :)
[05:54] <dinosaur-rus> *hooks in
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i've noticed that
[05:57] <dinosaur-rus> fdoving: is there any way to get list of files not referenced by any package (of course, files in /home, /usr/local, etc. should be ignored :) )?
[05:58] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you, before you safely remove, check 'fuser -vm /dev/device' then safely remove and then directly after getting the error message. check 'fuser -vm /dev/device' again?
[05:59] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: yes. there is. let me just try to find out how.
[06:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: cannot right now, but I'll do toonight, sure
[06:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: sorry but I have things to do outside of ubuntu :)
[06:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: sure, i'm not trying to get this into feisty so it's not time-critical. feedback by e-mail is very nice. :)
[06:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: perfect ;)
[06:02] <asyd> hello Tonio_
[06:02] <asyd> how are you
[06:03] <Tonio_> asyd: perfect ;)
[06:03] <asyd> nice
[06:03] <Tonio_> asyd: I may have a solution to your totem issue
[06:03] <asyd> ah !
[06:03] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: the package and command is named 'cruft'
[06:04] <dinosaur-rus> fdoving: oh, thanks
[06:05] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[06:58] <nixternal> is Guidance goofed up at all?
[06:58] <nixternal> My battery shows 50% left and at the same time says full charge and now my CPU frequency isn't showing up
[06:59] <Riddell> I believe it is
[06:59] <nixternal> OK
[06:59] <nixternal> I have so much work to do tonight for Kubuntu docs translations
[06:59] <nixternal> to the point I am almost scared
[07:00] <Riddell> what's that?
[07:00] <nixternal> I would say 75% of the translations are broken as they don't properly validate
[07:01] <nixternal> so I have about 1,000 files to go through and test and fix if necessary
[07:01] <nixternal> somehow during translations, xml tags get translated at times as well when they shouldn't...so we have to go through and fix them all
[07:02] <nixternal> once I have them fixed, then comes the task of the last and final kubuntu-docs package containing all translations
[07:02] <nixternal> and the way it looks, it has to be done within the next 6 hours, which I hope is wrong
[07:03] <fdoving> nixternal: anything i can do to help you with those 1000 files?
[07:03] <nixternal> oooh, I forgot you have da powah!
[07:03] <nixternal> you can start rumbling through and fixing validation issues if you would like
[07:03] <nixternal> if not, I will do a script later that will tell me which files to fix and where to fix them
[07:04] <nixternal> that always helps me out when it comes time for this
[07:04] <nixternal> I have done it for Breezy, Dapper, Edgy and now Feisty
[07:04] <fdoving> ok. where are the files at? (i usually don't do translations).
[07:04] <nixternal> they are uploaded in the feisty branch already
[07:04] <nixternal> I went through and converted them all
[07:05] <nixternal> so they are kubuntu/about-kubuntu/country-code
[07:05] <nixternal> /C is good, it is the other counry codes that have the broken validation
[07:05] <nixternal> I seen a lot of <guibutton><guibutton> errors it looks like
[07:06] <nixternal> there is a translog.txt file that shold list all of the files that didn't validate
[07:06] <nixternal> hrmm, the translog.txt makes it look like there was good validation, but I know there wasn't, so I forgot some &>lovi'
[07:08] <fdoving> seems i don't have the correct power.
[07:08] <fdoving> can't find no country-codes.
[07:09] <fdoving> so it's not http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ ?
[07:09] <nixternal> well, it will be like /es, /fr and such
[07:09] <nixternal> it is on the svn server
[07:09] <fdoving> in case there is a svn server, i don't have access to it.
[07:09] <nixternal> oh
[07:09] <nixternal> I thought you had the powah
[07:09] <fdoving> no, only kde powah.
[07:09] <nixternal> no biggy then, it will give me something to do tonight
[07:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:09] <nixternal> I love KDE powah
[07:09] <nixternal> but I can't close boogs
[07:09] <nixternal> I can commit, but can't close boogs
[07:10] <fdoving> ah, tell toma. he fixed it for me.
[07:10] <nixternal> rock on, I will
[07:10] <fdoving> good thing you have something to do tonight :)
[07:10] <nixternal> toma: you see that, I need the powah of closing the KDE boogs ;)
[07:10] <nixternal> hehe
[07:11] <toma> nixternal: one sec, i'm eating stoofpeertjes.
[07:12] <nixternal> alrighty then :)
[07:12] <nixternal> rock on, thanks
[07:17] <toma> nixternal: why do you need that powah?
[07:20] <yuriy> Tonio_! that's great news! c'est bon chance!
[07:25] <Tonio_> yuriy: ;)
[07:25] <nixternal> toma: so I can quit bugging others to close bugs once I do a commit that closes them
[07:25] <nixternal> especially for KDE4 docs and 3.5.7 docs
[07:26] <nixternal> err, 3.5.7 branch
[07:26] <nixternal> but then again, that may not be enough reason
[07:29] <toma> nixternal: does it refuse to clse bug when you commit with BUG: nr?
[07:29] <nixternal> yup
[07:30] <toma> nixternal: oki, what's the email address you use for bugzilla?
[07:30] <nixternal> I will get the "you don't have the powah" email, or maybe Phil Rodgriguez gets them
[07:30] <nixternal> nixternal@ubuntu.com
[07:31] <toma> nixternal: you now have the powah
[07:31] <toma> (why is it called powah today?)
[07:32] <nixternal> toma: I don't know why it is powah today, tomorrow it will be "I don't have root"
[07:32] <nixternal> thanks btw
[07:32] <toma> yw
[07:34] <nixternal> Visual Basic is so awesome!
[07:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:35] <jpatrick> ah! :D that's better
[07:35] <nixternal> jpatrick: what happened to the "Look at posts w/o responses" in the forums? I just see "posts w/o responses since your last visit"
[07:36] <jpatrick> nixternal: I have.. no idea
[07:36] <nixternal> hrmm, don' you work for Kubuntu forums/
[07:37] <jpatrick> I did
[07:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:37] <nixternal> well nevermind then :)
[07:37] <jpatrick> but I've been off Kubuntu work for quite some time now
[07:37] <nixternal> ya, thought you are MIA a little bit there
[07:38] <jpatrick> MIA?
[07:39] <allee> nixternal: uhm 12500 added or modified msgstr for digikam.  diff   10 mb, compr 1.8 mb.   http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/13-kdesvn-649091-msgstr-updates.diff.gz
[07:39] <jpatrick> hallo allee
[07:39] <nixternal> missing in action
[07:39] <allee> I've still have to check and build digikam.   So I assume I'll miss the 18:00 UTC deadline
[07:39] <allee> nixternal: lol
[07:39] <allee> jpatrick: hi
[07:39] <nixternal> that is a lot of translated lines
[07:40] <nixternal> and those aren't docs, that is all program
[07:40] <allee> nixternal: as I said,  I noticed a lot of stable branch commit in #digikam ;)
[07:40] <jpatrick> allee: I've been learning German :D but I better not start here..
[07:40] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:41] <allee> nixternal: yes.  but i'm nevertheless surprised by the num.  but a quick look shows no error ...
[07:41] <toma> allee: messages or docmessages?
[07:42] <allee> toma: messages
[07:42] <allee> toma: I've build a tar from current stable/branch and diffed po in 0.9.1 tar and 0.9.1+svn-stabel-today
[07:42] <allee> ah, hi toma btw
[07:43] <allee> toma: pity that there no 0.9.1.1 release to honour translator work
[07:44] <allee> jpatrick: I'll chat later about it ;)
[07:44] <toma> #: utilities/imageeditor/editor/imagewindow.cpp:609
[07:44] <toma> +#: utilities/utilities/imageeditor/editor/imagewindow.cpp:609
[07:44] <toma> seems like an error...
[07:46] <toma> allee: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/extragear/graphics/digikam/utilities/
[07:46] <toma> see the utilities subdir
[07:46] <allee> toma: yeah, that's strange but the msgstr do match
[07:47] <toma> the folder is copied inside itself
[07:47] <toma> so there is a utilities/batch and a utlities/utilities/batch now
[07:47] <toma> code duplication rules
[07:47] <toma> and hi!
[07:48] <allee> toma: heh, luckyly this does not change the total ammount of string ;)
[07:49] <allee> -m +s
[07:50] <allee> mhmm, 4500 empty msgstr.  Maybe new incomplete transaltion?  ....
[07:50] <toma> allee: some languages copy templates to their dir without translating it
[07:51] <allee> toma: please don't
[07:52] <allee> toma: when I delete the duplicate tree now.  will script find and merge back the old file lists until tomorrow (assumed scripty runs tonight successfully)?
[07:52] <toma> yes
[07:53] <allee> toma: okay will do,  as it puts no work on translators
[07:55] <allee> mhb, nixternal: so I miss the deadline for updated digikam string.  Cruel world :(
[07:56] <toma> allee: remove the lines from your local copy and make a new diff?
[07:56] <toma> (you told me not to shut up ;-))
[07:57] <allee> toma: yeah, but deadline in in 4 minutes
[07:58] <toma> ah, k
[08:27] <fdoving> yay. knetworkmanager seems to be fixed for my bcm43xx card.
[08:27] <fdoving> works nicely.
[08:30] <mhb> Riddell: according to Colin Watson the testing communities should stay alert, so if anything is to test, tell me/us
[08:40] <nixternal> I need some sed help, anyone avail
[08:40] <mhb> nixternal: I am here
[08:41] <nixternal> I have =>       f=$1
[08:41] <nixternal> so whatever I put after my sh file will be $1, you knwo that though
[08:41] <jpatrick> nixternal: you have to pay?
[08:41] <nixternal> what I want to do, is for speed reasons is when i input the directory, I want to strip the / from it
[08:42] <nixternal> sed -e 's/$.*\/ //'
[08:42] <nixternal> I suck trying to remember regex
[08:42] <mhb> oh man, you chose the wrong guy
[08:42] <mhb> I suck at it too
[08:42] <nixternal> so like I would take f and do
[08:42] <fdoving> f=$1 ?
[08:42] <nixternal> g=`sed -e 's/$.*\/ //' ${f}
[08:43] <nixternal> ya, this is to create a quick validation script for me to run through and pull the bad vals out so I can tweak them
[08:45] <gnomefreak> does feisty support ppc?
[08:45] <nixternal> nope
[08:45] <gnomefreak> i noticed no ISO's
[08:45] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:46] <nixternal> ya, I picked up a ppc for free at a LUG event, and now I have no use for it
[08:46] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:46] <nixternal> ppc 450, garbage
[08:46] <nixternal> bbiaf, class time
[08:47] <gnomefreak> have fun
[08:51] <fdoving> nixternal: you can use something like g=${1%%/}
[08:51] <fdoving> if i understand you correctly.
[08:53] <fdoving> nixternal: g=${*%%/} will catch paths with spaces too.
[08:58] <Simo1> I'm trying to update Kubuntu edgy to feisty but the "Full upgrade" button is disabled. All repos are enabled in sources.conf and all updates are done. I'm following instructions here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades "Network upgrade for Kubuntu desktops (recommended)" Any suggestions?
[08:59] <Riddell> Simo1: follow the "Kubuntu Beta upgrade" section
[08:59] <Simo1> ok
[09:30] <nixternal> Riddell: will it be OK if the doc package doesn't get finished up until tomorrow? will it still make it, or am I screwed?
[09:31] <fdoving> nixternal: need help with that script?
[09:31] <nixternal> fdoving: got it, thanks
[09:31] <fdoving> nixternal: ok. shout if you need more tips.
[09:31] <gnomefreak> nixternal: busy?
[09:32] <nixternal> gnomefreak: sitting in c++ class listening to the teacher explain debugging with visual studio
[09:32] <nixternal> but since I refuse to use Windows even at school, they leave me alone
[09:33] <gnomefreak> nixternal: your pm when you get time
[09:34] <Riddell> nixternal: should be fine
[09:36] <nixternal> Riddell: thanks, I was sweating for a second there
[09:45] <seele> Riddell: ping
[09:45] <Riddell> hi seele
[09:46] <seele> heya
[09:46] <seele> we started user testing on ubiquity today
[09:46] <seele> partitioning is a serious problem
[09:46] <seele> its not just the interface
[09:46] <seele> but people don't even know what a "partition" is
[09:47] <seele> i'm not sure how to address this
[09:47] <seele> but other than that.. everything else works fine and people understand it
[09:48] <Riddell> :)
[09:48] <seele> it seems like people understand the live cd (even though there may be a little confusion, they understand enough to continue and follow through with the process)
[09:48] <Tm_T> argh, I hate this
[09:48] <Riddell> installing an operating system is always going to be an advanced thing to do requiring some knowledge, I guess the trick is to get the knowledge they need into them without it sounding too technical
[09:49] <Riddell> seele: are you using latest feisty?
[09:49] <Tm_T> just can't go to aKademy even with psonsor
[09:50] <seele> Riddell: no, i forgot to give them the latest CD.. but the issues are low level so i dont think small changes will make a difference
[09:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: what what?
[09:50] <seele> its very much a conceptual and terminology problem than an interface problem
[09:51] <Riddell> seele: yep
[09:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: yup, I had sponsor and all but just can't
[09:51] <Riddell> "hard disk slicer"
[09:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: :(
[09:51] <Tm_T> oh well, next year ;)
[09:51] <Tm_T> and hey, we have Feisty release party in Finland \o/
[09:51] <Tm_T> (I hope)
[09:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: you should tell sladen about that, he's in the area
[09:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, can't say I've seen that name/nick before but will do if I meet him :)
[10:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, seele,: yea OSX isnt much better, its a "disk tool" with "slices" hehe