[12:14] <Sanne> evfreshman2025: no, you can install whatever whenever, usually
[12:14] <mikey> <-- noob
[12:14] <mikey> yorokobi: ty
[12:14] <evfreshman2025> Okay well for some reason it wont let me install anything
[12:14] <Yorokobi> mikey, everyone is a n00b at something. You're welcome
[12:14] <evfreshman2025> it says its installed, but no changes have been made
[12:15] <mikey> <-- linux nOOb in general
[12:15] <mikey> but learning
[12:15] <Yorokobi> evfreshman2025, what is installed and what changes were you expecting?
[12:16] <evfreshman2025> well i try to turn on Flash_9 and when i click install, and click on apply settings
[12:16] <evfreshman2025> it dosent work
[12:16] <mikey> yorokobi: trying to    install a linux media server into a windows network.  Got Samba to work, but cannot access the shares
[12:16] <mikey> user pass issue I suspect
[12:17] <Yorokobi> mikey, yeah, good luck with that.
[12:17] <mikey> I can see the share in network places, but when I click on it, I cannot get in
[12:17] <mikey> grrrrrrrrr
[12:22] <frojnd> how can I see history of specific user on my system??
[12:22] <frojnd> histroy of konsole?
[12:24] <mikey> no idea m8, newbie here
[12:35] <TheSpunkyLobster> hey all... i was getting help using gpart earlier to try and recover a lost partition on my laptop, i've finished a scan now, and need to try and specify and then mount the partition but can't remember how to do it
[12:43] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me fix my java?
[12:45] <Irayo> How can I make Kubuntu/KDE recognize my fourth/fifth/sixth mouse buttons?
[12:51] <shadowhywind> does anyone know where teh default usplash is located?
[12:51] <dec> does anyone know how to upgrade to the new version of ubuntu that is out on beta without downloading it.
[12:52] <shadowhywind> dec you mean without downloading the dvd?
[12:52] <dec> yes without downloading the dvd
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> dec: see the topic
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[01:03] <dec> tried to upgrade and I keep receiving an error Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[01:09] <danny500> hey guy's
[01:09] <nixternal> hey, you never know, there could be some ladies here as well ;p
[01:09] <danny500> does anyone know where the save games files are for the game Wesnoth?
[01:10] <danny500> oh yeah, Heyy girls :D
[01:10] <danny500> nixternal, you a girl?
[01:10] <nixternal> ummm, sure
[01:10] <danny500> lol
[01:10] <danny500> so are we alone here or something?
[01:10] <danny500> ahaha
[01:10] <nixternal> obviously you haven't seen http://chi.ubuntu-us.org and see me talking ;)
[01:11] <danny500> nope
[01:11] <Admiral_Chicago> be careful around nixternal. he eats small children
[01:11] <danny500> I'll go check it now :)
[01:11] <nixternal> I am about 6'3 230 pounds, I would make one hell of an ugly girl
[01:11] <danny500> lol
[01:11] <nixternal> oh wait, we don't have flickr up anymore on that site
[01:11] <danny500> I'm 5'10" and weigh 150 pounds lol
[01:11] <nixternal> go to flickr and look for ubuntu chicago
[01:12] <leopartux> Sysinfo for 'leopartux-laptop': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 600 MHz (1197 bogomips), , RAM: 226/233MB, 90 proc's, 1.1h up
[01:12] <mikey> got it finally
[01:13] <mikey> linux and windows are now bed buddies on my net
[01:13] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[01:13] <danny500> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[01:13] <danny500> your machine does 1197 bogomips
[01:13] <mikey> gawd that took all day
[01:13] <danny500> mine does 1300 and mines only a 550MHz cpu lol
[01:13] <mikey> 'course I'm a bit of a linux nOOb
[01:14] <danny500> it's ok
[01:14] <danny500> we all are
[01:14] <mikey> thx all your your guidance
[01:14] <danny500> lol
[01:15] <TheDebugger> 1597.2 bogomips :D
[01:15] <danny500> oh nice
[01:15] <TheDebugger> My Pentium M 2.26Mhz @ 798Mhz :P
[01:15] <mikey> c-ya all later
[01:16] <danny500> 551.313 MHz can't go without that extra 0.313MHz of speed lol
[01:16] <danny500> I'm thinking of over clocking this thing to551.4MHz :D
[01:19] <BluesKaj> strange that adept doesn't see the upgraded pkges that I installed already , it's trying to "upgrade" to an older version od google earth for example  ...what gives?
[01:22] <angasule> !nvidia
[01:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:22] <David> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! for what libraries is talking about?
[01:24] <David> kde-devel?
[01:28] <danny500> #wesnoth
[01:29] <danny500> yo, does anyone know anything about Wesnoth?
[01:29] <premier_> how good is dual monitor support in kubuntu?  I'm building a new compy, and last time I tried dual monitors with my current laptop it gave me all kinds of trouble
[01:29] <Sanne> David: most likely libqt3-mt-dev
[01:33] <danny500> ?
[01:36] <danny500> yo you guy's wanna see the funniest thing ever
[01:36] <danny500> go to
[01:36] <danny500> http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=New+York,+New+York&daddr=Paris,+France&sll=42.969401,-79.238064&sspn=0.006767,0.014591&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=3&om=1
[01:36] <danny500> and look at step 23
[01:41] <rg535748>  adept updater tells me another process is using the database but I do'nt have anything else running. Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[01:41] <danny500> I might
[01:41] <danny500> open your task manager
[01:41] <stdin> !aptfix | rg535748
[01:41] <ubotu> rg535748: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[01:42] <danny500> and look for a process called synaptic
[01:42] <danny500> if thats running, kill it
[01:42] <danny500> ok
[01:42] <rg535748> give me a sec I'll try that
[01:42] <danny500> ok
[01:42] <BishiNightBird> do what ubotu said, it should fix the problem
[01:44] <rg535748> it worked, thank you.
[01:44] <danny500> your welcome
[01:45] <danny500> sometimes synaptic will load in the background for no reason with out you noticing and it messes with the other installers
[01:46] <danny500> ok does anyone know where I can find the saved game files for Wesnoth?
[01:47] <danny500> MA I TALKING TO MYSELF?
[01:47] <danny500> am*
[01:48] <Kite_DH> how to get the newest java version??
[01:48] <danny500> no
[01:48] <danny500> where are the save game files for Wesnoth?
[01:49] <stdin> danny500: how is asking about games saves for Wesnoth anything to do with Kubuntu?
[01:50] <danny500> cause it has to do with the folders within Kubuntu lol
[01:50] <danny500> and plus no one will talk in the wesnoth room cause playing the game for so long has turned off the talking part on their brain
[01:51] <stdin> danny500: it's not a kubuntu package, nor is it anything to do with kubuntu support ask somewhere else or just google it
[01:52] <danny500> ok, well next time I ask a question I at least expect an answer like what you gave me instead of complete silence. I answer everyone in here when I can and I atleast should get the same
[01:52] <danny500> ok
[01:53] <pate> haha ^^
[01:55] <liam> hi guys how can i check what version of kubuntu im running
[01:55] <stdin> !version | liam
[01:55] <ubotu> liam: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[01:58] <don_jr__> how can I find out what version of a package I have?
[01:58] <cblack0> long-time linux user installing ubuntu/kubuntu for the first time. Using a laptop that already has a good install of suse I want to keep. I have a 5GB partition totally free that I have set aside for ubuntu. However, when I boot ubuntu installer (7.04 beta) and choose manual partitioning it oddly shows me an sda drive rather than the hda drive I am used to. This is an older laptop and definitely does NOT have a sata or scsi drive.
[01:58] <cblack0>  In addition, I do not see my existing partitions in the graphical partitioner. Does anyone have any advice or pointers? I did not find anything about this in the faq
[01:59] <stdin> don_jr__: "apt-cache policy package"
[01:59] <don_jr__> stdin thanks
[01:59] <don_jr__> okay, dapper doesn't get upgraded packages anymore does it?
[02:00] <stdin> don_jr__: yeah it does, it's LTS
[02:00] <don_jr__> hmmm, the version I have and the only one available in the repo's I have is older than one I need....
[02:00] <cblack0> the partitioner is not showing my old partitions
[02:01] <stdin> cblack0: all (ata) hard drives in feisty are handled by libata, and so are seen as scsi, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[02:01] <don_jr__> stdin looking at my sources.list I don't have any deb-src's listed, is there a deb-src listing for any other deb repo?
[02:01] <cblack0> I am ok with that, that isn't my main concern, just a side note.
[02:01] <don_jr__> stdin and would that have updates in it that the others might not have?
[02:02] <cblack0> my main concern is the partitioner in step 4 after choosing manual is not showing my old partitions or allowing me to select the partition I have already created and put aside for this install
[02:02] <stdin> don_jr__: you could try adding the backports repo
[02:02] <don_jr__> stdin what's the line to add for them? and will they ahve dapper stuff or with edgy stuff configure properly under dapper if it's only certain lib's?
[02:02] <stdin> cblack0: probably better to ask in #ubuntu+1 , the feisty support channel
[02:03] <stdin> !backports
[02:03] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[02:03] <cblack0> doing so, thanks :)
[02:03] <stdin> don_jr__: that page will tell you want to add, and the packages will work with dapper (as long as you add the dapper repo)
[02:04] <don_jr__> stdin okay, thanks
[02:05] <don_jr__> stdin I got it, I appriciate the info
[02:06] <stdin> np
[02:07] <cheeseboy> how do i enable the installing of java?
[02:07] <stdin> cheeseboy: you need to enable the multiverse repo, then install the java package
[02:07] <stdin> !java | cheeseboy
[02:07] <ubotu> cheeseboy: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:10] <flaccid> is that stil in feisty ubuntu has !baddevice
[02:11] <stdin> flaccid: yeah, it's so wacom tablets work by default
[02:11] <pkgraves> Guys, what happens if RSYNC tried to make a copy of a file thats in use? I.E. I have Folder A and I want to back it up to Folder B, but one of the files inside Folder A is currently in use. Will RSYNC still be able to synchronize its current state to Folder B?
[02:13] <KanRiNiN> Hi.  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade resulted in an error.  I tried to run sudo dpkg --configure -a but it also resulted in an error.  Any  ideas?  Packages were downloaded but cannot be installed
[02:14] <stdin> KanRiNiN: depends on the package and what the error was, also on what version of Kubuntu you are using. use the pastebin service to post the error
[02:14] <stdin> !pastebin
[02:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:14] <BluesKaj> KanRiNiN, try adept , but make sure your apt sources list is upgrded to the distro you are upgrading
[02:14] <flaccid> surely they could of done a detection script
[02:14] <flaccid> its quite unoptimised
[02:14] <flaccid> and i'm sick of getting the errors
[02:15] <pkgraves> Can someone please answer my RSYNC question?
[02:15] <flaccid> also networkmanager is simply wrong. it took down my net in installation and it just randomly decided to do it again then
[02:16] <flaccid> pkgraves: what if nobody can?
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15143/.  BluesKaj:  I tried adept, it failed so I tried dist-upgrade, which usually works fine.
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> it seems the apt-get error is no longer in the console
[02:16] <KanRiNiN> but the dpkg one was so I pasted it
[02:17] <rg535748> You ever had a question that you know the answer is probably 'no' to but you had to ask anyway... well:
[02:17] <rg535748> can I get flash player to work if I have the 64bit install of kubuntu?
[02:17] <BluesKaj> have upgraded your sources list , KanRiNiN ?
[02:17] <stdin> KanRiNiN: I've seen that error before, there is a fix, you need to purge the package console-setup (sudo apt-get --purge remove console-setup) then reinstall it (sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal)
[02:18] <stdin> rg535748: it *can* work, kinda
[02:18] <rg535748> How?
[02:18] <stdin> !flash64 | rg535748
[02:18] <ubotu> rg535748: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin, I'm redirectin' all my questions to you from now on!
[02:19] <rg535748> Thakn you.
[02:19] <KanRiNiN> stdin: I'll try it.  thanks
[02:19] <stdin> rg535748: you aren't the 1st person to ask about it :)
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin: do I need feisty for this, I'm on edgy.
[02:19] <stdin> rg535748: nope, work on edgy
[02:19] <rg535748> stdin: But you're the first person I've asked that had the answer.
[02:20] <stdin> i must be just that good then :p
[02:21] <BluesKaj> take a bow stdin :)
[02:21] <stdin> :P
[02:21] <hitmanWilly> rg535748, just be advised its a pita to set up
[02:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, hitmanWilly, I chickened out ...i'm running an AMD64 but I went with the x86 install
[02:23] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, used to run the 64, switched over to x86 for the same reason
[02:23] <flaccid> !services
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about services - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <David> somebody here have kmediafactory 0.5.2 (deb package) ?
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> David, i think its in the repos
[02:24] <stdin> !info kmediafactory
[02:24] <ubotu> kmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[02:24] <stdin> 0.5.1 is
[02:25] <pkgraves> What happens if RSYNC attempts to copy a file that is currently open/in-use? I.E. If I have dir A and dir B, and I want to RSYNC all files in dir A to dir B, but one of the file sin dir A is currently in use... what would happen?
[02:25] <hitmanWilly> ahh, ok
[02:30] <BluesKaj> pkgraves, if you're just copying a file , I don't see why it won't sync , but i have no experience with that so my opinion doesn't hold much water :(
[02:37] <newkubuntuuser> hi, can anyone help me with the installation of rubygems on feisty? i get missing packages
[02:37] <newkubuntuuser> rdoc for example, but there are more packages missing that i need for rubygems
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> newkubuntuuser: ask in #ubuntu+1 seems like a packaging error
[02:38] <carl_> hi
[02:40] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, will ubuntu+1 be gone once Feisty is officailly released ?
[02:41] <BluesKaj> err officially
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: yes
[02:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: no, it will be then for feisty+1
[02:41] <BluesKaj> ok, installing it as we speak
[02:41] <flaccid> doesn't that just mean next version of ubuntu?
[02:42] <stdin> yep
[02:42] <roothugo> alguem BR aqui?
[02:42] <don_jr__> is there a way I can tell aptitude to get the build information for something?  like aptitude build-install or something I think I've seen??
[02:42] <flaccid> stdin: i'm complaining about wacom in #kubuntu-devel
[02:42] <stdin> flaccid: I know, I'm reading it :p
[02:42] <flaccid> nobody really cares
[02:43] <flaccid> heh it never does
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: never had a problem because I do everything the "official" way
[02:43] <ZioN>      )
[02:43] <BluesKaj> it was dead in the water , flaccid ...wouldn't boot
[02:44] <ArtMoonik> hello, I have some problems with my Feisty, konqueror and kopete don't work
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> no script kitties garbage, non-free drivers, nothing
[02:44] <DrCurl> I'm running feisty, since I suspend earlier today, all my kde apps became transparent. All I can see is the button and textarea. What should I do?
[02:45] <stdin> feisty support in #ubuntu+1 (#kubuntu-devel for KDE specific support)
[02:45] <flaccid> i thought #kde was for #kde
[02:45] <flaccid> i mean kde
[02:45] <BluesKaj> lotsa ppl on the Feisty bandwagon this evening
[02:46] <stdin> flaccid: I meant "kubuntu feisty kde specific support", but it's just quicker to say it the other way :)
[02:46] <flaccid> rightio
[02:47] <flaccid> only problem is not many people say anything there
[02:48] <stdin> it's mostly Europeans in there (as kde is developed mostly in Europe) and it's late in Europe now
[02:49] <flaccid> true
[02:49] <flaccid> but ive never had any luck no matter what time of day
[02:50] <flaccid> thats ok maybe they are actually working to fix things
[02:50] <stdin> you could ask in #kde, but 9 times out of 10 they'll tell you to ask in your diatros channel
[02:50] <BluesKaj> yeah, 60 pkgs failed to upgrade
[02:51] <mardi> stdin: happens to me everytime
[02:51] <flaccid> i usually have no problem with kde specific questions in #kde
[02:52] <vonkleist> hi
[02:52] <vonkleist> I guess this is a regular problem with feisty, but...
[02:53] <vonkleist> I can't open mp3 files with amarok
[02:53] <vonkleist> it freezes, before I can click on the "Yes, I want to install mp3 support"
[02:53] <don_jr__> libasound2 (> 1.0.11) but 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 is installed. How can I get the updated version if it's not in the dapper repos?
[02:53] <stdin> vonkleist: install the package manually
[02:53] <cheeseboy> is there a way to change my hostmask?
[02:54] <stdin> vonkleist: install "libxine1-ffmpeg" (from main)
[02:54] <vonkleist> ok
[02:54] <vonkleist> let me try
[02:54] <flaccid> cheeseboy: hostmask?
[02:54] <stdin> cheeseboy: you'll have to ask a freenode staff member to give you a cloak
[02:55] <cheeseboy> not for freenode
[02:55] <stdin> for what then?
[02:55] <cheeseboy> another network
[02:55] <flaccid> do yo mean subnet mask?
[02:55] <cheeseboy> but theres no other way to do it?
[02:56] <cheeseboy> pool-70-21-4-184.res.east.verizon.net
[02:56] <vonkleist> :D
[02:56] <vonkleist> ir worked!
[02:56] <cheeseboy> like that
[02:56] <vonkleist> thank you stdin
[02:56] <stdin> vonkleist: no problem :)
[02:56] <vonkleist> what about wma?
[02:56] <flaccid> cheeseboy: thats a hostname depicted by your isp i believe
[02:56] <flaccid> cheeseboy: to change the hostname on the box use the command hostname and update /etc/hosts
[02:56] <stdin> vonkleist: now just start moving all your music to ogg/vorbis :p
[02:56] <flaccid> and change /etc/hostname
[02:57] <flaccid> that is of course, not dns authoritive
[02:57] <vonkleist> stdin, yes, I'm trying to, but anyway... most of devices don't have ogg support
[02:57] <vonkleist> stdin, do u know how to add wma support?
[02:57] <stdin> vonkleist: for wma (the non-drm version) install w32codecs (not in the repos) then you can play them. (and my iPod plays ogg )
[02:58] <vonkleist> i don't have aythat much, but anyw
[02:58] <stdin> !w32codecs
[02:58] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:58] <cheeseboy> not hostname hostmask
[02:58] <vonkleist> stdin, *your* ipod? or every ipod?
[02:58] <stdin> vonkleist: any one that runs rockbox
[02:58] <flaccid> cheeseboy: explain to me what a hostmask is
[02:58] <stdin> !rockbox | vonkleist
[02:58] <ubotu> vonkleist: rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[02:59] <cheeseboy> Brownie_ [n=Brownie@c-69-248-19-223.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
[02:59] <cheeseboy> c-69-248-19-223.hsd1.pa.comcast.net=hostmask
[02:59] <trpr> hrm. my KDE installation has a Theme Manager but i can't remember how i got it. I just set a friend up with kubuntu and he is complaining it is missing.. is there some package i need him to get?
[02:59] <stdin> flaccid: whois me, you'll see I have a hostmask cloak
[02:59] <Brownie_> hm?
[02:59] <cheeseboy> just usin u as example
[02:59] <flaccid> oh for freenode
[02:59] <flaccid> this has nothing to do with kubuntu
[02:59] <flaccid> cheeseboy: ask for a cloak in #freenode-social
[03:00] <stdin> flaccid: I think he wants it for another network tho
[03:00] <cheeseboy> yes another network
[03:00] <WillLuongo> stdin: That makes it even less kubuntu related? lol
[03:00] <vonkleist> stdin, wow!
[03:00] <vonkleist> hahahaha
[03:00] <cheeseboy> sssh
[03:00] <stdin> cheeseboy: you have to ask the admins from that network, nothing you can do, it's all server-side
[03:00] <cheeseboy> im on kubuntu
[03:01] <cheeseboy> :-P
[03:01] <flaccid> cheeseboy: its dependant on the irc server
[03:01] <WillLuongo> cheeseboy: lol
[03:01] <flaccid> for example Austnet uses virtual world
[03:01] <vonkleist> stdin, thanks for ur help
[03:01] <stdin> vonkleist: no problem :)
[03:02] <don_jr__> I have the most up to date package that the dapper repo's have of this libasound2 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 is installed. How can I get a further updated version? libasound2 (> 1.0.11)
[03:03] <stdin> don_jr__: you have 2 choices. 1) download and compile a newer version (not reccommended), 2) upgrade to edgy (1.0.11-7)
[03:04] <flaccid> don_jr__: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <flaccid> or try to install the new package manually and solve deps
[03:04] <stdin> and potentially hose your install :p
[03:05] <don_jr__> flaccid how do I try to solve deps?  I'm pretty new
[03:05] <flaccid> experience
[03:05] <flaccid> not something you should be doing
[03:06] <WillLuongo> don_jr_: it will probably be easier to just upgrade, but usually it will tell you what the dependencies that fail are when you try to install a package.
[03:06] <trpr> ah. as http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html explains it, the ThemeManger is there, it just doesn't have a menu shortcut.. Why then does my installation have a menu shortcut? (ie what did I do and what can I have him do) .. short of having him launch kcontrol each time he wants to use it, I don't know what to do
[03:06] <don_jr__> WillLuongo yes, this libasound2 is a dependencie of something I'm trying to install and it won't install cause I can't get an updated version unless I swap over to edgy?? sheeeeesh
[03:07] <don_jr__> need to look for a version to compile then
[03:07] <newkubuntuuser> in #ubuntu+1 noone can help me, can anyone here give me a hint why i get package not found errors when trying to install what i need for rubygems? (example: rdoc)
[03:07] <stdin> flaccid: Re:#kubuntu-devel, you can always just join the kubuntu-devel mailinglist and post a message there
[03:07] <flaccid> don_jr__: this is the caveats of the debian packaging system
[03:07] <flaccid> stdin: i might have to do that thanks br0
[03:08] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: make sure you have the universe repo enabled
[03:08] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: and possably multiverse too
[03:09] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: check, both enabled
[03:10] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: well rdoc is in universe
[03:10] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: using feisty, maybe that is the problem?
[03:10] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: I'm using feisty, and it's there
[03:12] <don_jr__> flaccid so all of those packages are kernel specific then?
[03:12] <don_jr__> flaccid I can't just download that one package from edgy and have it work? or will that screw everything?
[03:12] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: sources.list contains "deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe" and "sudo apt-get install rdoc" gives the error
[03:13] <flaccid> its not kernel dependant
[03:13] <flaccid> its package version dependent. probably on packages in the next version
[03:13] <don_jr__> flaccid then what would make those 'edgy' packages not work on dapper?
[03:14] <chemicalvamp> newkubuntuuser that address isnt right
[03:14] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: "apt-cache policy rdoc" gives me this: apt-cache policy rdoc
[03:14] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: opps, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15150/
[03:14] <chemicalvamp> click the link... server times out
[03:15] <dawn> how does one mount a drive from the live cd?
[03:15] <don_jr__> how do I make a bash script to run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[03:15] <stdin> dawn: with mount
[03:15] <dawn> i tried that thru the GUi
[03:16] <dawn> whats the cmd for it?
[03:16] <dawn> oh wait
[03:16] <dawn> I thik I know
[03:16] <stdin> dawn: sudo mount /dev/(device)(partition) /place/to/mount/to
[03:16] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: ok, so what to do now? i downloaded a iso half a day ago and did a default setup a few hours ago, followed by an update via adeot
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> dawn sudo mount -t /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[03:17] <stdin> don_jr__: put it in a text file and make it executable, you'll either need sudo before each aptitude or run the script with sudo
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> dawn BUT first.. sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[03:17] <hansent> whats up people?
[03:18] <stdin> newkubuntuuser: try changing the mirror you're using de seems to be down
[03:18] <chemicalvamp> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[03:18] <hansent> I have some issues with konquoerer after upgrading to 7.10 beta
[03:18] <don_jr__> stdin I'll run the script with sudo, how do I make it executable?
[03:18] <stdin> chemicalvamp: you're assuming that the filesystem on the partition is ext3
[03:19] <don_jr__> stdin so a bash script is nothing but the commands typed in to a text file and permissions changed on it to make it executable....in theory?
[03:19] <pkgraves> What are the disadvantages of using DD to regularly mirror a hard drive?
[03:19] <stdin> don_jr__: you can do it by right-clicking on the file and going to the permissions tab, or "chmod +x filename" (changing "filename" for the name of the file)
[03:20] <chemicalvamp> stdin yup im assuming they want to access there linux install from cd
[03:20] <newkubuntuuser> stdin: thx, think that solved it.
[03:20] <hansent> When I use the "konqueror profiles applet"  Konqueror starts without an address bar.  this happens both on webrowser and file manager profile.
[03:20] <stdin> don_jr__: as long as you run it in bash, you can add a "#!/bin/bash" as the 1st line to make sure it runs in bash, or it's a shell script, not a bash script
[03:21] <dawn> chemicalvamp: thanks, but its not working for some reason, I did mkdir first :)
[03:22] <chemicalvamp> dawn are you trying to get to a linux install?
[03:22] <don_jr__> stdin thanks
[03:22] <stdin> pkgraves: you can't (well, shouldn't) access the drive while running dd, that's about it. oh, and dd will copy the blank spaces too, not just the data
[03:22] <dawn> no, i made a change in the modules file and kubuntu will not load
[03:22] <dawn> goes straight to busybox terminal program
[03:23] <flaccid> !info gimp
[03:23] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2891 kB, installed size 7900 kB
[03:23] <chemicalvamp> ok so your trying to fix it now n a live cd, hmm sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 should work
[03:23] <dawn> chemicalvamp: correct, let me try that
[03:24] <stdin> dawn: post the errors you get if it doesn't work
[03:24] <don_jr__> dpkg-reconfigure xserver   or what is the command?
[03:24] <dawn> ok it mounted
[03:24] <dawn> yayyyy
[03:24] <stdin> don_jr__: you mean "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[03:25] <don_jr__> stdin thanks, that's it
[03:25] <Cosmo_> I'm trying to install the VPN software for my job and it is asking "What is the location of your linux kernel source?" where would this be located?
[03:26] <stdin> Cosmo_: it probably wants the kernel headers, that will be "/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/", if it needs the source, then you'll need to install (and compile) it
[03:27] <stdin> Cosmo_: $(uname -r) is the kernel version
[03:27] <dawn> ok one question, in /etc/modules I have the following "ls, psmouse, sbp2, sr_mod, tun" What do each of those represent?
[03:27] <Cosmo_> stdin: how do I find what kernal version I have?
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> Cosmo_, run uname -r
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> Cosmo_, in terminal
[03:28] <stdin> Cosmo_: uname -r, anything inside $() is a command
[03:28] <Cosmo_> oh duh, thanks
[03:28] <dawn> hey, I forgot that one too
[03:28] <dawn> thanks :)
[03:28] <hansent> I have some issues with konquoerer after upgrading to 7.10 beta
[03:28] <hansent> When I use the "konqueror profiles applet"  Konqueror starts without an address bar.  this happens both on webrowser and file manager profile.
[03:31] <dawn> chemicalvamp: ok mounting worked like a charm and I edited the file back
[03:31] <dawn> lets see if it loads now
[03:31] <dawn> :)
[03:31] <conorkirk1> Hi
[03:31] <dawn> hi
[03:32] <conorkirk1> Ubuntu's website says to run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install KDE, but when i do this it says it cant find the kubuntu-desktop package
[03:32] <dawn> hmmmm
[03:33] <stdin> conorkirk1: make sure your sources are enabled
[03:33] <conorkirk1> How?
[03:33] <dawn> opps stdin beat me
[03:33] <conorkirk1> sorry, I just started using this a while ago
[03:33] <sonoftheclayr> !info kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.22 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[03:33] <dawn> conorkirk1: Dont be sorry I was a newb 9 months ago :)
[03:34] <Cosmo_> hmmm it is still giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/
[03:34] <conorkirk1> I have used linux before, but that was RedHat 7.3
[03:34] <conorkirk1> a WHILE ago :D
[03:34] <dawn> haha, so have I
[03:34] <dawn> up to ver. 8
[03:34] <N6REJ> can someone please tell me why I'm seeing this error periodically?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15152/
[03:34] <stdin> conorkirk1: check that /etc/apt/sources.list isn't all commented out
[03:35] <dawn> ok wtf, kubuntu isn't loading I keep getting this busybox thing
[03:35] <dawn> *sigh*
[03:35] <conorkirk1> The only things i commented out in that file were the universe and multiverse lines
[03:35] <stdin> N6REJ: it's normal, don't worry
[03:35] <N6REJ> stdin: ok, ty.
[03:35] <stdin> !baddevice | N6REJ
[03:35] <ubotu> N6REJ: If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[03:36] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: have you run sudo apt-get update?
[03:37] <WillLuongo> I set my default web browser to Mozilla, but when I click links in other apps it still opens in Konqueror. Any ideas?
[03:37] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah, thats what I thought it was was the stupid wacom which I don't even have.
[03:38] <stdin> N6REJ: it's enabled by default for users that can't use a mouse
[03:38] <conorkirk1> Yes I have
[03:38] <stdin> WillLuongo: how did you set it to mozilla?
[03:38] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: can you find it in adept?
[03:38] <conorkirk1> and since the other package managers use apt, they dont see them either
[03:38] <stdin> conorkirk1: post the sources.list to pastebin
[03:38] <N6REJ> stdin: OIC
[03:38] <conorkirk1> k
[03:38] <WillLuongo> System Settings --> Default Applications --> Web browser
[03:39] <stdin> WillLuongo: have you tried restarting the applications that open konqu, or set the default system-wide?
[03:41] <conorkirk1> http://paste.uni.cc/14478
[03:41] <WillLuongo> stdin: i don't think so
[03:41] <WillLuongo> stdin: how would i do that?
[03:41] <chemicalvamp> how do i add paragraph like spaces into my grub boot menu?
[03:41] <stdin> WillLuongo: you can set the default system-wide one with "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" (in konsole) and select the application you want
[03:42] <N6REJ> stdin: is a monitor depth of "24" the most you can go or is it "32"?
[03:42] <WillLuongo> stdin: Thanks!
[03:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: hmm, how come you removed all the "main" ones?
[03:43] <conorkirk1> I don't remember, I think I was trying to enable universe and multiverse
[03:43] <stdin> N6REJ: I believe it's 24 ( I don't think it refers to the color depth in bits like in MS)
[03:43] <N6REJ> ok, ty.
[03:44] <stdin> conorkirk1: well that's why you can't install it
[03:44] <conorkirk1> So, what do you mean by removing all the main ones
[03:45] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: the main repos have been deleted, add them back again
[03:45] <stdin> conorkirk1: the lines should look like "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted" not just "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy restricted"
[03:46] <conorkirk1> stdin: so, both of the deb-src and deb lines need the edgy main restricted
[03:47] <stdin> conorkirk1: I'll show you what it needs to look like in pastebin
[03:47] <conorkirk1> ok
[03:48] <chemicalvamp> how do i add paragraph like spaces into my grub boot menu?
[03:49] <stdin> conorkirk1: like this: http://paste.uni.cc/14479
[03:50] <stdin> chemicalvamp: you can try adding a blank "title" line in
[03:50] <chemicalvamp> stdin good idea, i bet that ill work, thanks
[03:50] <stdin> :)
[03:52] <conorkirk1> stdin: thank you, i am updating apt-get to see if it finds it
[03:52] <stdin> it should do now
[03:53] <sonoftheclayr> who was it yesterday that upgraded from dapper to feisty?
[03:53] <conorkirk1> stdin and all: thank you so much, it is unpacking right now, lets just see if it works ok :)
[03:54] <stdin> conorkirk1: should work fine, just remember to choose KDE at the login screen :)
[03:54] <conorkirk1> after it is done, can i just log out and chose the kde session, or do i need to reboot
[03:54] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: logout
[03:54] <stdin> conorkirk1: no need to reboot
[03:54] <conorkirk1> The last time i used KDE was version 3.0
[03:54] <stdin> linux != windows
[03:55] <conorkirk1> does anybody have the kde-login sound from 3.0?
[03:55] <GaiaX11> I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?
[03:55] <cheeseboy> hey
[03:55] <conorkirk1> true, linux !=windows, linux = awesome | 1337 | !=windows
[03:55] <conorkirk1> that was just screaming incorrect
[03:55] <stdin> GaiaX11: probably will
[03:55] <cheeseboy> im looking for a way to make a full screen app only be fullscreen on 1 monitor
[03:56] <cheeseboy> any ideas?
[03:56] <conorkirk1> oh, i have another question
[03:56] <conorkirk1> is it possible to write some sort of script that changes the screen resolution before going into a screen saver?
[03:56] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: most likely
[03:56] <stdin> conorkirk1: possible, yes. easy, no :p
[03:57] <conorkirk1> :)
[03:57] <GaiaX11> stdin: Someone in #ubuntu+1 said that someone from here did it and was luck having problems only with X which was fixed. I am trying to identify who was the luck boy :-)
[03:57] <stdin> conorkirk1: and it'll have to be different for kde and gnome sessions
[03:58] <cheeseboy> any ideas?
[03:58] <conorkirk1> poor video card cant do screensavers at 1024x768
[03:58] <stdin> GaiaX11: it was probably because the name of the packages xserver-xorg-driver-* changed to xserver-xorg-video-*
[03:58] <conorkirk1> Nvidia GeForce 4
[03:59] <WillLuongo> When I upgraded to Edgy I am no longer able to select 1280 x 1024. Any ideas?
[03:59] <GaiaX11> stdin: so how will I fix this if I have problems only with X?
[03:59] <conorkirk1> willluongo: check xorg.conf maybe
[04:00] <Sidey> i gonna feel really stupid in a room with you guys..
[04:00] <conorkirk1> I do too!
[04:00] <cheeseboy> im stupid too
[04:00] <stdin> GaiaX11: just install "xserver-xorg-video-all" (after you break it) that should do it
[04:00] <stdin> GaiaX11: if you don't mind having to reinstall, give it a go (after a backup)
[04:01] <Sidey> i need probably simple guidance. I am MS based tech. not linux based, but trying to learn atleast some linux. but hell the simple things are loosing me..
[04:01] <stdin> WillLuongo: try reconfiguring the xserver "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh"
[04:02] <Sidey> there used to be options to add workgroup, see IP etc under system settings. but be damned if I can find them
[04:02] <stdin> Sidey: that's because windows does things the wrong way :p
[04:02] <stdin> Sidey: System Settings -> Network Settings
[04:02] <Sidey> lol.. how true.. but thats how I learned. . had to start somewhere.. just started the wrong way
[04:02] <Arwen> is it possible to set a program as fullscreen on only 1 display out of 2?
[04:02] <GaiaX11> stdin: What if I install xserver-xorg-video-all before upgrading? Is it possiblo?
[04:02] <Sidey> will look.. I got the machine here. so I dont have 2 run room to room again
[04:03] <stdin> GaiaX11: probably not, you'll end up with some weird mix of dapper/feisty packages before upgrade then
[04:04] <stdin> GaiaX11: a good way to make help things work is to use aptitude to install ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop, those are the main packages
[04:04] <GaiaX11> stdin: So what do you recommend? Downloading the feisty alternate cd; backing up my data and install from scratch? is it?
[04:05] <stdin> GaiaX11: install from scratch will be cleaner (and probably easier), but upgrade is possible too
[04:06] <Sidey> well blasted anyway. looks like I got another bad cable. grr geez.. 2 in 1 week
[04:06] <Sidey> @ 100 feet long just sucks
[04:06] <stdin> GaiaX11: I'd say do a backup and give upgrade a go, if you can't get it working, then you can install and use your backup
[04:07] <flaccid> an apt command available to flush apt cache or downloaded packages etc. ?
[04:08] <stdin> fl
[04:08] <stdin> flaccid: apt-get clean
[04:08] <GaiaX11> stdin: Thx. I will wait for stable; getting the alternate cd; backing up; give a upgrade a go and see what will happen :-)
[04:08] <flaccid> ah yeah thats it
[04:08] <flaccid> sweet that freed some
[04:08] <stdin> GaiaX11: it'll give you some problem solving experience anyway :p
[04:09] <stdin> I got 125MB in apts cache
[04:09] <stdin> that's just the latest update
[04:09] <stdin> and mostly openoffice
[04:10] <ChuckNorris|GOD> how i can change the task bar in kde? (i want only the desktop 2 files in desktop 2  and desktop 1 files in desktop 1, not all files in all desktops!)
[04:11] <stdin> ChuckNorris|GOD: right-click the taskbar and choose "configure panel", go to "taskbar" uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[04:13] <ChuckNorris|GOD> ty
[04:13] <chr1831> hi
[04:13] <chr1831> i recently upgraded my system via apt-get and my battery manager is wacked :-\
[04:14] <pollyo> !nvidia
[04:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:14] <pollyo> Anyone know the proper driver for the nvidia tnt card?
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, i think thats legacy
[04:15] <chr1831> when its plugged in it shows the thunder bolt and the battery % left
[04:15] <loco> #ubuntu #ubuntu+1
[04:15] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Ok
[04:15] <chr1831> when i unplug it it shows the battery full and still with the plugged in icon
[04:15] <chad> I am having an issue with syncing my palm calender with kontact.  If an appointment is flagged as private, it won't show up on my pilot after syncing anymore.  I can't find a kpilot setting to allow syncing private appointments back to the pilot.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, there's a list somewhere with all the nvidia cards and what driver they use
[04:16] <sonoftheclayr> pollyo: the tnt card uses legacy i think
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, i think i saw it on the gentoo website
[04:16] <sonoftheclayr> pollyo: legacy
[04:17] <pollyo> Ok.  Thanks for the info! BBL
[04:17] <pollyo> I'll give legecy a try and go from there...
[04:17] <Cosmo_> I am trying to install the VPN for my job using these instructions https://216.241.173.165/full_linux_instructions.html but it keeps giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/ can anyone help me?
[04:18] <philphoto> got a problem: when attempting to run synaptic or adept, I get "Conversation with SU failed"
[04:18] <philphoto> any help?
[04:18] <ubuntu_> hello, I installed kubuntu a while ago but i got very angery at it because it ran VEEERY slow. MY computer is very fast and has run windows ans other versions of linux very fast. Anyone know why kubuntu is slow and how I can fix it?
[04:19] <philphoto> ubuntu_: do you have an ATI graphics card?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_, what exactly is slow on it?
[04:19] <ubuntu_> nvidea
[04:20] <philphoto> !nvidia
[04:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <unicoder> I have installed kubuntu and I have sounds, beeps, and noises, but I dont have any sound on media files such as mpg, or avi's
[04:20] <ubuntu_> everything is slow, browsing the web i notice massive slownees. And when I tried to play wow my computer looked liek it was about to blow up. I had to forcfully shut it down because it was running so slow
[04:20] <philphoto> if you haven't tried that, it may be a GC issue
[04:20] <unicoder> how do I get newer codecs for ubuntu?
[04:21] <philphoto> anyone out there have any idea as to my problem with SU?
[04:21] <ubuntu_> it's not graphics card drivers because it's really just everything it running slow
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, does sudo work?
[04:22] <ubuntu_> *is
[04:22] <chr1831> any help for me?
[04:23] <philphoto> no
[04:23] <chr1831> :(
[04:23] <philphoto> let me try in shell
[04:24] <ubuntu_> has anyone else had problems with kubuntu running slow?
[04:24] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: i can run through terminal, but i'm lazy & I like things working as they were designed
[04:24] <ubuntu_> ^me too
[04:25] <ubuntu_> that's why i love ubuntu
[04:25] <philphoto> ubuntu_: I had some horrible problems at first.    I have an ATI GC though & that's where the problem lay with my slowness issue.
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try su'ing through term
[04:26] <ubuntu_> so you just installed video card drivers and your problems were gone?
[04:26] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I can use sudo in terminal, but don't feel like running everything where I need SU in there.
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, just making sure that wasn't jacked, sounds like a problem with kdesu
[04:29] <philphoto> yeah.  I'm trying to install mp3 support in amarok open as su in terminal but I got a LOT of error msgs
[04:29] <adam> test 987
[04:29] <philphoto> a bunch of "cannot connect to x server"
[04:30] <philphoto> should I restart X?
[04:30] <Cosmo_> I am trying to install the VPN for my job using these instructions https://216.241.173.165/full_linux_instructions.html but it keeps giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15047/ can anyone help me?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try an X restart and see if that helps
[04:30] <adam> can this software play sound ?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> conorkirk1, at least its not gentoo and doing a full compile
[04:32] <conorkirk1> Good point
[04:32] <conorkirk1> I tried gentoo once
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> same
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> i like customizing stuff, but there's a limit
[04:32] <conorkirk1> I liked the idea of a custom install
[04:32] <conorkirk1> but yeesh
[04:33] <conorkirk1> when it asks you if you want value A in register 01xAAAE0F thats where i draw the line.
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:33] <dawn> hahahaha
[04:33] <conorkirk1> ubuntu system update!
[04:34] <conorkirk1> It says 174 updates
[04:34] <conorkirk1> tahts crazy!
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> conorkirk1, that sounds about right
[04:34] <dawn> hehehe
[04:34] <conorkirk1> its KDE isn't it :D
[04:34] <dawn> crazy?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> sweet it opened the kde config thingy
[04:35] <conorkirk1> KDM
[04:35] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: you still around?
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> yup
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> any luck?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> GDM or KDM?
[04:35] <dawn> kdm
[04:35] <conorkirk1> k
[04:35] <philphoto> check this out: "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Apr 12 01:48:15 2007"
[04:35] <Parkotron> Is there an anticipated release date for Feisty more specific than "this month"?
[04:35] <conorkirk1> tomorrow
[04:35] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: april 19
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ah hah, ive seen this before, its a clock problem
[04:36] <philphoto> I don't know how my system got that far ahead.  how do I change the main clock to get it synchro'd with the rest of the world?
[04:36] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: pfft...that was nearly 12 hours ago! your living in the past man!
[04:36] <conorkirk1> OpenOffice is HUGE
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, is your clock set to local or UTC?
[04:36] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Thanks. Where'd you find that? I was poking around a couldn't find it anywhere.
[04:37] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: i know soe people who know some things
[04:37] <philphoto> should be set to local.  the desktop is set to local, but apparently the main clock is set to utc
[04:37] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Oh. So I'm supposed to take your word for it? ;)
[04:38] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: yep, if you want i can give you a web address
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the system clock may be set to local, but the system probably thinks its set to UTC
[04:38] <philphoto> how do I remedy this?
[04:38] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn it's right up the top, in bold
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, there's a config file for it, hold on a sec while i find it
[04:39] <philphoto> thx
[04:40] <Parkotron> sonoftheclayr: Ah, the wiki. I should of thought of that. Thanks again.
[04:40] <luke-jr_work> Kubuntu 7.04 does a kernel panic on boot; anyone care?
[04:41] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: np
[04:41] <conorkirk1> stdin: Specs of your computer?
[04:41] <stdin> Sysinfo for 'home': Linux 2.6.20-13-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz at 2800 MHz (5604 bogomips), HD: 107/147GB, RAM: 1477/1511MB, 182 proc's, 4.12d up
[04:42] <anniee> is there any way to get SB x-fi working in kubuntu??
[04:42] <conorkirk1> stdin: what command gave you that?
[04:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: /sysinfo
[04:42] <stdin> conorkirk1: in konversation
[04:43] <conorkirk1> k
[04:43] <conorkirk1> for me right now is is Gaim
[04:43] <conorkirk1> still installing KDE :)
[04:43] <conorkirk1> no such command
[04:43] <stdin> XChat does it too (IIRC)
[04:43] <conorkirk1> stdin: ill just post it
[04:43] <luke-jr_work> ...
[04:43] <sonoftheclayr> conorkirk1: you mean Pidgin
[04:43] <Jucato> conorkirk1: it's a script in Konversation (/sysinfo)
[04:44] <conorkirk1> 1GHZ PowerPC G4, 256MB ddr sdram, nvidia geforce 4 (32mb) 80 gig Hard drive
[04:45] <sonoftheclayr> luke-jr_work: you might have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[04:46] <conorkirk1> sometimes people disconnect with a message "Poof!" do you just do this with /quit message
[04:47] <stdin> Cosmo_: still about?
[04:47] <crazy_bus> can anyone help me fix dpkg/apt .  I get this error in the terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15157/
[04:47] <stdin> conorkirk1: yeag, something like "/quit Poof!"
[04:47] <conorkirk1> k
[04:48] <conorkirk1> sounds fun :)
[04:49] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: any luck with that config file?
[04:50] <Cosmo_> stdin: yeah sorry was messing about
[04:51] <sonoftheclayr> does anyone else think the kubuntu website needs an overhaul?
[04:51] <stdin> Cosmo_: I think it's just failing to compile the module, which is ok because ubuntu already has it
[04:51] <Cosmo_> getting lost in all the customization available in kubuntu =)
[04:52] <stdin> Cosmo_: so all you need is to make the binaries executable and add an init script (which I've "debianised" for you)
[04:52] <philphoto> restarting X again, i think I found something.
[04:52] <philphoto> back in three shakes
[04:54] <anniee> anyone here using amd64 version of kubuntu?
[04:54] <Cosmo_> stid so how do I go about doing that? if you mean the file I downloaded from citrix I already checked the box that says executable
[04:55] <stdin> Cosmo_: no,try this, "sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/net6vpnd" then save this as /etc/init.d/net6vpnd http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15160/
[04:55] <philphoto> dang.  "su returned with an error"
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sorry, kubu's different from my old distros, no joy
[04:56] <philphoto> ah man.
[04:56] <philphoto> I just finished this install of edgy after two days of fighting with feisty.
[04:57] <philphoto> she was just too buggy & it wound up that my comp would just freeze in all apps after about 4 minutes.
[04:57] <sonoftheclayr> Parkotron: you had a bad run with feisty, it runs perfectly for me
[04:57] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: ^^oops
[04:58] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: what I'm looking for is not a clock fix so much as a su fix
[04:58] <philphoto> sonoftheclayr: no problemo
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> philphoto,well, the clock is what's messing up the su
[04:58] <philphoto> I was not having any luck getting my two film scanners to work either.
[04:58] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: you could try to change the time in the bios
[04:58] <philphoto> dang.
[04:59] <sonoftheclayr> and then you would have to change it in kubuntu...
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, does the kubuntu clock show the right time?
[04:59] <Cosmo_> I'm going blank what is the command to make a file in the terminal?
[04:59] <philphoto> well, I have a dual-boot machine so if I mess with bios, I mess with XP (yuk!) as well
[05:00] <stdin> Cosmo_: then make /etc/init.d/net6vpnd executable with "sudo chmod +x  /etc/init.d/net6vpnd" (change /etc/net6vpn.conf if you need to) and run "sudo  /etc/init.d/net6vpnd start"
[05:00] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: the desktop clock shows the right time, only because I set it that way after I saw it was incorrect.
[05:00] <philphoto> I guess that was what messed it up.
[05:00] <stdin> Cosmo_: touch/nano will do it
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try setting the clock back to where it was before
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, then you can set your timezone to UTC to show the correct time
[05:01] <stdin> philphoto: "sudo -K" resets the sudo timestamp
[05:02] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'pentium3': Linux 2.6.20-14-386 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 997 MHz (1996 bogomips), HD: 44/92GB, RAM: 204/249MB, 125 proc's, 4.41h up
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> damn, forgot about that one:)
[05:02] <stdin> jmichaelx: why do you have the 386 kernel on a P3?
[05:02] <philphoto> "sudo -k" not working.  nothing needing su is working.
[05:02] <philphoto> "su returned an error"
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, capital K
[05:03] <stdin> philphoto: sudo -K shouldn't need su
[05:03] <jmichaelx> stdin: i must have accidentally booted into that kernel instead of -generic when i last rebooted
[05:03] <philphoto> timestamp still too far in the future
[05:03] <anniee> so flash and java dont work on amd64 version of kubuntu or ubuntu
[05:04] <stdin> jmichaelx: I find -generic *much* faster
[05:04] <stdin> anniee: not "officially" no, but there is a way
[05:04] <philphoto> I used a caps K.  no luck
[05:04] <stdin> !flash64 | anniee
[05:04] <ubotu> anniee: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:04] <jmichaelx> stdin: interesting.... i do use generic generally, this time i didn't pay attention when i rebooted
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, reset the clock then
[05:05] <nonuda> stdin: hi..how r u? long time not see ;)
[05:05] <philphoto> which clock?
[05:05] <stdin> nonuda: hey :) works been a b***h recently :p
[05:05] <philphoto> or, I mean, HOW?
[05:05] <philphoto> time changes need SU
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, set your timezone to UTC, then change your time to the correct one
[05:06] <stdin> philphoto: tried rebooting recently?
[05:06] <tmulvaney> kPwnage
[05:06] <philphoto> I can do that too.
[05:06] <Cosmo_> stdin: it says Starting Net6 VPN Daemon: start-stop-daemon: option requires an argument -- d
[05:06] <stdin> hitmanWilly: think he's saying you need to be su to change time
[05:06] <philphoto> I've restarted x server a few times with no luck
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> oh yeah, duh...
[05:07] <stdin> philphoto: not x server, a reboot
[05:07] <stdin> Cosmo_: ahh, hold on :)
[05:07] <philphoto> yeah, I can't do anything with the clock settings.  I get: "SU returned an error"
[05:07] <philphoto> right.  reboot coming up
[05:07] <philphoto> see you in a few.
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sorry, forgot that one
[05:08] <stdin> Cosmo_: this one should work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15161/
[05:08] <anniee> has anyone actually goten that to work?
[05:08] <stdin> hitmanWilly: the sudo timestamp is stored on /var/run and that's a tempfs mount, so reboot should remove it
[05:09] <stdin> anniee: yeah, loads of people
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> stdin: thanks, new knowlege point to remember
[05:12] <Pollywog> anyone know how to delete icons created by the network folder wizard or knetattach?  I am unable to delete them, the menu does not offer a delete option
[05:15] <Cosmo_> stdin: now it says Starting Net6 VPN Daemon: /etc/init.d/net6vpnd: line 52:  6609 Segmentation fault      start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile --pidfile $lockfile --make-pidfile --exec $binary -- -d
[05:16] <stdin> Cosmo_: well that's something I can't help with, it means that the application is crashing when it's being run
[05:17] <Cosmo_> hmmm, well thank you for all the help
[05:17] <stdin> Cosmo_: apparently the application doesn't support debian/ubuntu, notmuch you can do there
[05:18] <philphoto> stdin: reboot worked so far.
[05:19] <stdin> good :)
[05:19] <philphoto>  "sudo -K" worked.  well, I don't know what it did, but I didn't get shut down
[05:19] <philphoto> now to try synaptic.
[05:20] <philphoto> sweet!  it works now.  good old ON/OFF switch
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, thanks to stdin, i now know that the timestamp is stored on a temp fs, which is why that worked
[05:22] <philphoto> so timestamp is reloaded with each reboot?
[05:22] <philphoto> it's just a running temp file?
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yes
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup
[05:22] <Cosmo_> hmmm thought I downloaded the one for debian, let me check
[05:22] <philphoto> interesting...
[05:23] <philphoto> is that a feature?  or is it just an incidental way that Linux does things?
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, its just the way linux does stuff
[05:23] <philphoto> gotcha.
[05:23] <stdin> everything in /var/run and /var/lock are on tempfs (some other things too)
[05:24] <stdin> and it is by design
[05:24] <stdin> some other distros don't do it like that
[05:24] <stdin> but they suck :p
[05:24] <philphoto> what is the design feature?  I mean, the WHY to why it's done that way?
[05:25] <pestilence> does anybody know why sounds don't work in evolution in KDE?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably so you can fix it like you just did:)
[05:25] <stdin> because if you crash, having things still in /var/run and /var/lock can cause some major problams
[05:25] <philphoto> yeah, that may have been a fatal error in winxp
[05:25] <philphoto> got it.
[05:26] <stdin> the "win" part in winxp is fatal :p
[05:26] <philphoto> oh, that I know
[05:26] <conorkik1> Hi
[05:26] <conorkik1> using KDE!
[05:26] <philphoto> over the next few days, I want to get vuescan up & running
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> !info vuescan
[05:27] <philphoto> once that's done & I know I can do it on a stable build (I couldn't in feisty to save my life) then win is gone forever
[05:27] <ubotu> Package vuescan does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:27] <kamui> HI!!!
[05:27] <conorkik1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 246/249MB, 88 proc's, 1.2d up
[05:27] <kamui> :)
[05:28] <stdin> conorkik1: cpu at 0 MHz? :P
[05:28] <conorkik1> lol
[05:28] <conorkik1> hmm
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> conorkik1, ps3?
[05:28] <conorkik1> Nope
[05:28] <conorkik1> but I am on a PowerPC chip
[05:28] <conorkik1> Running on an iMac G4
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ah, don't know anything about those :)
[05:29] <stdin> apple do make some messed up hardware
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> wtf is a bogomip?
[05:29] <conorkik1> stdin: My computer is a dome with a swivel flat panel on a silver pole like thing
[05:29] <Dodger73> hi all
[05:30] <stdin> hitmanWilly: basically it's the amount times a CPU can do nothing per second :p
[05:30] <Dodger73> any hardware/driver gurus around?
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> stdin: gotcha
[05:30] <conorkik1> I am kinda a Hardware guru
[05:30] <stdin> hitmanWilly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips :)
[05:30] <kamui> need help please
[05:30] <kamui> I installed edgy again today
[05:30] <kamui> everything orked great until I upgrade
[05:31] <kamui> now my sound is gone
[05:31] <Dodger73> conorkik1: great, i've got a prototype-ish 'webcam' here that i got today and i was wondering if anyone could help me try to get it to work :)
[05:31] <kamui> how can I troubleshoot a sound driver issue?
[05:31] <Cosmo_> stdin: I found a list of clients, should I get the x86 client or the x86 client - requires OpenMotif 2.2.x or do you know?
[05:31] <philphoto> kamui: which upgrade was the problem?
[05:31] <kamui> installed edgy, and after upgrading all packages using distupgrade
[05:31] <kamui> not to feisty, but just updated my software
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ok, that was interesting
[05:31] <philphoto> so now what's not working?
[05:32] <stdin> Cosmo_: the x86 client or the x86 client? am I reading double?
[05:32] <Cosmo_> stdin: the second option is x86 client - requires OpenMotif 2.2.x
[05:32] <kamui> philphoto: no sound comes out of my laptop
[05:32] <kamui> I can raise the volume and I see the bar move
[05:32] <kamui> the device seems to exist, but I get no actual sound
[05:33] <conorkik1> Um
[05:33] <conorkik1> a hardware question would have been how to plug it in
[05:33] <conorkik1> so no
[05:33] <stdin> Cosmo_: get the one that doesn't require OpenMotif
[05:33] <conorkik1> sorry
[05:33] <Cosmo_> k
[05:33] <philphoto> driver issue.  well, perhaps.
[05:33] <kamui> I had great skills debugging oss, but alsa is almost a total mystery to me
[05:34] <Dodger73> ah ok... well nevermind :)
[05:34] <Dodger73> thanks anyway conorkik1
[05:34] <CashValentine> [feisty]  If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[05:34] <gera> Hola que tal!!!
[05:35] <gera> Logre hacer andar mi modem USB con Kubunto!!!
[05:35] <Dodger73> so, any takers for some experiments with a new webcam? :)
[05:35] <pestilence> !esd
[05:35] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[05:36] <philphoto> I know nothing about also, sorry.
[05:36] <philphoto> also, my spelling bad...
[05:36] <philphoto> alsa...   ok, time for bed
[05:36] <CashValentine> Where do you go to get help wih Ubuntu.  This  looks like just a webcam/show-your-pee-pee forum.
[05:36] <philphoto> ha ha ha ha ha ha
[05:36] <conorkik1> ha ha ha
[05:36] <Dodger73> heh
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:36] <pestilence> CashValentine: #ubuntu
[05:36] <luke-jr_work> let's see if 6.06 is better
[05:37] <pestilence> this is #kubuntu ;)
[05:37] <philphoto> let me show you my kernel
[05:37] <Dodger73> i'm just trying to get this damn thing to actually be recognized by the system
[05:37] <Dodger73> and i never showed my pee pee to any strangers
[05:37] <Dodger73> :P
[05:37] <conorkik1> um
[05:37] <CashValentine> pestilence: thx, i'm outa here.  Y'all have fun trading shots of your weeners.
[05:37] <conorkik1> try dmesg in konsole
[05:37] <pestilence> CashValentine: and for problems with feisty, you want #ubuntu+1
[05:38] <nonuda> stdin, it seems that i have a lot of progress on linux..hehe ;) (i have installed kubuntu on 4 pc, setup networking, internet sharing etc infact i ablle to run my office windows programs on it))
[05:38] <stdin> CashValentine: read the code of conduct
[05:38] <conorkik1> Dodger73: try the command dmesg in Konsole
[05:38] <CashValentine> stdin: wtf!
[05:38] <stdin> nonuda: cool, you'll be a guru before you know it :)
[05:39] <kamui> fuck
[05:39] <kamui> pardon my language
[05:39] <Dodger73> conorkik1: tried that, i get 'usb 1-3.11: can't read configurations, error -71'
[05:39] <conorkik1> kamui: pardoned
[05:39] <stdin> CashValentine: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[05:39] <conorkik1> Dodger73: lspci
[05:39] <conorkik1> in konsole
[05:40] <Dodger73> lspci gives me all my pci devices ;)
[05:40] <nonuda> stdin: heh i hope so, right now i'm working on networking respository, hmm its quiet hard
[05:40] <CashValentine> stdin: get a life.
[05:40] <Dodger73> lsusb gives me a bunch of other devices, and three unidentified ones
[05:40] <conorkik1> Dodger73: ask stdin
[05:40] <conorkik1> :)
[05:40] <Dodger73> with ID 0000:0000, 1415:4000 and 0000:0000
[05:41] <stdin> nonuda: yeah, I was going to have one of those, but it was easier just to copy the files over :p
[05:41] <Dodger73> conorkik1: ask stdin how?
[05:41] <stdin> ask me what? :P
[05:41] <Dodger73> argh
[05:41] <Dodger73> lol
[05:41] <conorkik1> Dodger73: stdin is a person
[05:42] <trpr> lol
[05:42] <conorkik1> not a command
[05:42] <trpr> standard input ;)
[05:42] <luke-jr_work> woohoo
[05:42] <luke-jr_work> 6.06 actually boots!
[05:42] <stdin> I live in /dev
[05:42] <Dodger73> so stdin, any idea about getting this webcam to work?
[05:42] <stdin> Dodger73: what webcam is it?
[05:43] <Dodger73> it's a PS3 HD eyetoy
[05:43] <stdin> CashValentine: version
[05:43] <Cosmo_> how do I run a .tar.gz file?
[05:43] <stdin> Cosmo_: decompress it, with ark
[05:43] <kamui> you don't
[05:43] <CashValentine> stdin: WTF!
[05:43] <TheDebugger> You can't run it, it's like a .zip
[05:43] <TheDebugger> An archive
[05:43] <stdin> CashValentine:  [CTCP]  Received Version request from CashValentine.
[05:44] <kamui> try tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
[05:44] <stdin> i'm not blind
[05:44] <TheDebugger> tar xvzf thefile.tar.gz
[05:44] <kamui> that extracts to the local dir
[05:44] <conorkik1> um
[05:44] <conorkik1> i got xkill happy
[05:44] <conorkik1> and
[05:44] <CashValentine> stdin: WTF again
[05:44] <conorkik1> kinda sorta clicked on my clock
[05:44] <Dodger73> stdin: i tried the ov511 driver, but it doesn't seem to work with this one
[05:44] <conorkik1> how do I get it back?
[05:45] <luke-jr_work> word: lagged?
[05:45] <conorkik1> yeah
[05:45] <conorkik1> How do you start the taskbar
[05:46] <nonuda> stdin: ah i see, right now i do that, but if u have a lot of file to installed, i guess it will takes much time..do u know this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal , i manipulate the local directory as mounted shared folder
[05:46] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: ??
[05:46] <Dodger73> stdin: and obviously, a google search didn't produce much of anything ;)
[05:46] <luke-jr_work> pranav_: ???
[05:46] <pranav_> yes
[05:46] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: I got a ping request from you??
[05:47] <luke-jr_work> pranav_: no, your client did
[05:47] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: probably!!
[05:47] <pranav_> luke-jr_work: sorry for the disturbance
[05:48] <stdin> Dodger73: can't find anything on it, if there is a driver, it's burred somewhere out there in the web
[05:48] <Dodger73> i could take it apart to see what the chip in it is
[05:48] <conorkirk1> ok
[05:49] <conorkirk1> I Xkill'ed my taskbar
[05:49] <conorkirk1> then accidentally minimized konversation
[05:49] <conorkirk1> so then I xkilled my desktop
[05:49] <Dodger73> i'm pretty sure there's not a driver for it yet ;)
[05:49] <conorkirk1> then i hit a bunch of random butttons
[05:49] <conorkirk1> and got to my login screen
[05:49] <Dodger73> well, at least not for this specific camera
[05:50] <conorkirk1> Dedger73
[05:50] <conorkirk1> look at the bottom of the camera
[05:50] <conorkirk1> look for SCPH
[05:50] <Dodger73> it says it's manufactured by Namtai in agreement with sony computer entertainment america, europe and japan
[05:50] <Dodger73> that's it
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> ugh, sony
[05:51] <Dodger73> the camera is wild... it's got four microphones builtin for some reason
[05:52] <sonoftheclayr> my horoscop says something is going to change on or around april 19 for me...if there some great new feature in feisty that isn't there already?
[05:52] <Dodger73> and something that looks like an IR emitter diode to me
[05:53] <CashValentine> well, nobody helps over at #1 either
[05:53] <CashValentine> sad sad sad
[06:00] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: hello
[06:00] <pagan0ne> anyone have any idea how to remove the white outline around the text on desktop icons?
[06:00] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech_
[06:00] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: How are you?
[06:00] <nikkiana> DaSkreech_, doing pretty well
[06:01] <DaSkreech_> nikkiana: groovy
[06:02] <CashValentine> why does kubuntu-desktop package install a bunch of terrorist ttf fonts by defaults?  Seems like the terrorist fonts should be OPTIONAL.
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> the same here, i can'T understand that:)
[06:02] <MetaBookfoziS> and that fonts near ~50-60mb
[06:03] <pagan0ne> anyone know how to remove that white outline from text displayed below desktop icons?
[06:03] <MetaBookfoziS> with chinese and japan and other fonts
[06:03] <triker> #ubuntu-es
[06:03] <MetaBookfoziS> pagan0ne > rightclik on desktop -> configure -> and in that window at rightside iirc is there an other settings button
[06:04] <pagan0ne> MetaBookfoziS: thanks!
[06:04] <MetaBookfoziS> np:)
[06:05] <underdog5004> how can I get my dns settings to stick?
[06:05] <soldierboy> anyone else having problems with Feisty usplash? It won't display for me, tried all the usual suspects
[06:05] <underdog5004> how can I get my dns settings to stick?
[06:05] <kamui> ok, I feel generally retarded
[06:05] <underdog5004> (sorry if that's a repeat)
[06:05] <kamui> Im here tryin to recompile the damn kernel to get sound working
[06:06] <kamui> turns out after the upgrade, it just turned the sound WAY down on my system (the pcm channel)
[06:06] <kamui> lol
[06:06] <soldierboy> (kamui) good luck mate, that's no easy task, I attempted and failed
[06:06] <jtt> underdog5004: one way is to have an rc script do it after boot
[06:06] <DaSkreech_> kamui: Should have read !sound
[06:07] <kamui> !sound
[06:07] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:07] <underdog5004> jtt, no, I mean in the same session. I go into network settings, change it to openDNS, click apply, but when I go back, it's back to my gateway ip...
[06:07] <kamui> yea, should have
[06:07] <underdog5004> my isp has a terrible DNS server
[06:07] <kamui> :)
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> First thing is .. is the sound turned down?
[06:08] <kamui> I checked that
[06:08] <kamui> I didn't check the alsa mixer
[06:08] <kamui> that was the problem
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> Oh well to a geek sound turned down means alsamixer :-)
[06:09] <jtt> underdog5004: i occasionally hav dns problems so i copied them to a file and just copy them to  /etc/resolv.conf when I have problems dont know if you want to do that
[06:09] <DaSkreech_> Like starting the OS means grub
[06:09] <nonuda> how do i check an open port?
[06:09] <underdog5004> hmm, no other help? bummer
[06:10] <underdog5004> jtt, any downside?
[06:10] <mardi> i always edit /etc/resolv.conf to change dns servers, no biggie
[06:11] <jtt> underdog5004: my wireless router from time to time decides to not serve up the dns info witht the dhcp call so i just rewrite /etc/resolv.conf  no down side
[06:12] <jtt> underdog5004: in fact i play that game in motels all the time when i travel and use Bell South resolvers  works greate
[06:13] <keisangi> hi there
[06:13] <microphone_not_w> my mic not working in kubuntu
[06:14] <microphone_not_w>  cannot voice chat with relatives who make fun of kubuntu
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> its causing public emabaaressemnt to me
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> dont know how time it will take fic mic bug
[06:14] <microphone_not_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80531
[06:14] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: Did you check to see if alsamixer has it muted in input?
[06:15] <keisangi> i have some problem with cron .. i'm using kubuntu .. and i'm new with cron .. i tryed to setup a small cron job to test, in /var/spool/cron/crontabs i created a file named "root" and the content is as follow :  * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own
[06:15] <keisangi> and then i restarted crond
[06:15] <keisangi> so it should execute that command every minute .. but nothing happen ?
[06:16] <nixternal> actually wouldn't that just execute on startup?
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: you can make /file_you_own ?
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> don't you mean ~/file_you_own
[06:16] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes, i have root access .. i create the file now
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> Which is still pretty bad
[06:17] <nixternal> that it is
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:17] <keisangi> nixternal: from the tutorial i'm reading:  * * * * * is supposed to execute every minutes ..
[06:18] <nixternal> keisangi: I apologize, you are correct
[06:18] <nixternal> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 000 0 00 0 00 0 is what I was thinkin' ;p
[06:18] <nixternal> err, there would be a 1 in there
[06:18] <dsmith123> just for clarification, if I remove my home/user folder and put it on a clean install will the majority of things worrk?
[06:18] <Arwen> gah, my sound card just stopped working!!!! and it was working 20 minutes ago!
[06:18] <Arwen> what happened?
[06:18] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i created the file, but it's still 0 in size .. nothing happen
[06:18] <Arwen> someone please help!
[06:18] <keisangi> nixternal: np, thanks for your help btw
[06:19] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: you set the crontab as root"?
[06:19] <Arwen> ........................
[06:19] <DaSkreech_> Arwen: gremlins!
[06:19] <Arwen> damn it, my computer's useless without sound
[06:19] <dsmith123> no, Microsoft butterflies
[06:19] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i created a file named "root" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/  containing the following:  * * * * * /bin/echo "foobar" >> /file_you_own
[06:19] <Arwen> speaking of MS, it still works in windows..
[06:20] <luke-jr_work> UGH!!!
[06:20] <luke-jr_work> even 6.06 is buggy as heck!
[06:20] <matthew_> damn it, my computer's useless without reliable internet access
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> i have used alasmixer and kmix nothing helps
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> dont know how time it will take fic mic bug
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> its causing public emabaaressemnt to me
[06:20] <microphone_not_w>  cannot voice chat with relatives who make fun of kubuntu
[06:20] <dsmith123> wow channel is hopping tonight
[06:20] <microphone_not_w> in windows it works
[06:20] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: ok. calm down
[06:22] <tinyx> hey
[06:22] <microphone_not_w> pl take this bug as top priority
[06:23] <tinyx> How do I convert .mp3 to .ogg?
[06:23] <microphone_not_w> my computer is usesless with mic
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: not the right channel for this
[06:23] <microphone_not_w> what is dev channel
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> microphone_not_w: #ubuntu-devel
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Why would you want to do that?
[06:23] <sonoftheclayr> !info mp32ogg | tinyx
[06:23] <ubotu> tinyx: mp32ogg: Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-7 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:24] <tinyx> Because I can't get amaroK to play my MP3
[06:24] <DaSkreech_> !mp3 | tinyx
[06:24] <ubotu> tinyx: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:24] <tinyx> I've tried..
[06:24] <sonoftheclayr> tinyx: have you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[06:25] <tinyx> No, I couldn't figure out how
[06:25] <sonoftheclayr> !info libxine-extracodes
[06:25] <ubotu> Package libxine-extracodes does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:25] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: can you post your sources.list ?
[06:25] <DaSkreech_> !paste | tinyx
[06:25] <ubotu> tinyx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:26] <sonoftheclayr> tinyx: you need multivers enabled
[06:26] <tinyx> How do I go get the sources.list and the multivers?
[06:26] <anees> hi...I m installing a php project but it gives me an error. Error: 'gd' extension is not loaded... anyone help me plz how i can solve this problem
[06:27] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: the sources.list is at /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:27] <DaSkreech_> anees: what's gd?
[06:27] <anees> may be it is any php extension
[06:27] <tinyx> It says permission denied
[06:28] <DaSkreech_> anees: I'm guessing
[06:28] <anees> ok...
[06:28] <mardi> tinyx: i'm no guru in any way, but i'd do 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:28] <anees> what is the solution
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: do you have the pastebin site open?
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> anees: Well i guess first is to find out what it is
[06:29] <tinyx> yes i do
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> I'm guessing a gd extension to php
[06:29] <anees> ok
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: ok press alt+f2
[06:29] <anees> yes..u r right
[06:29] <tinyx> ok
[06:29] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: in there type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> anees: if you can find out it will probably have instructions to install
[06:30] <mardi> ooh kate :p
[06:30] <MetaBookfoziS> :)
[06:30] <abortd> nano?
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: copy the contents of that file into the pastebin site and give us the URL it gives you when you click paste
[06:30] <tinyx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15171/
[06:30] <DaSkreech_> Oh
[06:31] <DaSkreech_> way ahead of me :)
[06:31] <anees> i m installing www.activecollab.com
[06:31] <anees> it don't have enought help
[06:32] <mardi> abortd: nano is a simple CLI text editor
[06:32] <abortd> oh
[06:32] <tinyx> Did you see the link I posted?
[06:32] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15172/
[06:32] <DaSkreech_> replace the contents of the file with that
[06:33] <DaSkreech_> copy that page and paste it over what you have open
[06:33] <anees> DaSkreech_:  plz check this link...someone also faced this issue....http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-273570.html
[06:33] <DaSkreech_> save it and press reload in adept
[06:33] <tinyx> ?
[06:34] <tinyx> ok
[06:34] <tinyx> I saved it
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: press alt+space
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> type adept -> press enter -> enter password
[06:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: click reload
[06:34] <ScottLij__> where is the kernel source that I just downloaded form Adept?
[06:34] <tinyx> where is reload?
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> Umm
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> It's a green button I think
[06:35] <tinyx> Fetch updates?
[06:35] <DaSkreech_>  I have it mapped to F5 I never look at it again
[06:35] <DaSkreech_>  yeah that one!
[06:35] <DaSkreech_> anees: http://www.php.net/gd
[06:35] <tinyx> ok i clicked it
[06:36] <tinyx> it finished
[06:36] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: search for libxine-extracodecs
[06:36] <tinyx> what is alt+space by the way?
[06:36] <Jucato> !katapult | tinyx
[06:36] <ubotu> tinyx: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[06:36] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: pimp hater
[06:37] <Jucato> :P
[06:37] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I never look at it
[06:37] <DaSkreech_>  I just press F5
[06:37] <DaSkreech_> Should be on by default :-P
[06:38] <tinyx> oh cool
[06:38] <anees> DaSkreech_: thanx...budy
[06:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: it's there now
[06:38] <abortd> buddy
[06:39] <DaSkreech_> abortd: thanks :)
[06:39] <tinyx> ?
[06:39] <abortd> ?
[06:39] <anees> sorry...it was buddy
[06:39] <blekos> could somebody tell me where are the icons of open office located? somehow my openoffice doesnt have them (e.g instaed of having the "b" icon for Bold, i have the whole world "Bold" etc)
[06:39] <abortd> for what?
[06:39] <anees> anyway thanx...
[06:39] <anees> u r gr8
[06:39] <abortd> ok anees lay off the gayness a bit
[06:39] <abortd> atleast type a few full words
[06:40] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Agree with the anti-aolness but let me wallow in praise for a bit :)
[06:40] <abortd> and not stuff like u r rxr mn omg
[06:40] <anees> hehehehe..abortd...i m not gay...infact DaSkreech_ is my teacher as i learn something from him
[06:40] <abortd> hehe ok
[06:40] <abortd> i know thats cool
[06:41] <abortd> never said you were nor is it a bad thing but type full words :) turn u r gr8 into "u are great*
[06:41] <DaSkreech_> anees: yeah that's good advice. You just learnt from abortd  as well
[06:41] <abortd> :D
[06:41] <abortd> so im your teacher :D
[06:42] <tinyx> asdlkj
[06:42] <tinyx> lol okay thanks..
[06:42] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: works now?
[06:42] <tinyx> I am about to test it
[06:43] <abortd> why am i getting no sound from mpg files?
[06:43] <anees> abortd: you won
[06:43] <tinyx> It won't play
[06:43] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Probably don't have the right codec installed
[06:43] <abortd> what codec do i need?
[06:43] <abortd> !mpg
[06:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:43] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Did you close and reopen amarok?
[06:43] <tinyx> yeah
[06:44] <abortd> i am my own teacher now!
[06:45] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: and you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[06:45] <tinyx> yes
[06:46] <abortd> hm
[06:46] <abortd> someone ping me please
[06:46] <tinyx> abortd:
[06:46] <DaSkreech_> abortd: pong
[06:46] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: that's truly odd
[06:47] <abortd> ?
[06:47] <tinyx> lol I know
[06:47] <tinyx> How do I convert it to .ogg?
[06:47] <DaSkreech_> Ha ha
[06:47] <DaSkreech_> trust me trying to get it working is much faster
[06:47] <tinyx> back to the drawing board
[06:47] <abortd> this is pissing me off
[06:48] <abortd> ok there we go
[06:48] <abortd> how can i change the server i get updates from?
[06:48] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: double check it installed
[06:48] <tinyx> I did =/
[06:49] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: any clues?
[06:49] <DaSkreech_> abortd: change the prefix
[06:50] <abortd> prefix?
[06:50] <Jucato> huh? wha?
[06:50] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: libxine-extracodecs installed. Mp3 no worky
[06:50] <abortd> Jucato, you annoy me
[06:50] <DaSkreech_> abortd: you have a prefix on your servers
[06:50] <abortd> yeah i know
[06:50] <abortd> where do i change it?
[06:50] <DaSkreech_> in sources.list
[06:50] <abortd> k
[06:50] <Jucato> I annoy you?
[06:51] <abortd> yes
[06:51] <Jucato> hm....
[06:51] <abortd> yeah odd
[06:51] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: follow the troll later :-) why would mp3's not work?
[06:51] <abortd> the like "huh? wha?" did it
[06:51] <abortd> line
[06:51] <pollyo> !adeptfix
[06:51] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:51] <abortd> and im no troll right now
[06:52] <Jucato> abortd: I am not 100% paying attention to this channel, as I have some other work to do
[06:52] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: your customer
[06:52] <abortd> finish a word atleast
[06:52] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I know I want a bone. throw me one
[06:52] <DaSkreech_>  I've never had that happen before
[06:55] <pollyo> !restricteddrivers
[06:55] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: can you open kaffiene and play a mp3?
[06:56] <pollyo> !restricted
[06:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:56] <DaSkreech_> you can right click in Konqueror and play in kaffiene
[06:58] <tinyx> hey
[06:58] <tinyx> sorry
[06:58] <DaSkreech_> tinyx:Hmm?
[06:58] <tinyx> yes Kaffiene works!
[06:58] <tinyx> How can I set it as my default player?~!
[06:59] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: ??
[06:59] <tinyx> OMG thats awesome!! thank you ubuntu dude
[06:59] <tinyx> How do I set Kaffiene as my default player?
[06:59] <tinyx> I think I know..
[06:59] <abortd> what dir is sources in?
[06:59] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: is there a amarok icon in your systray?
[06:59] <tinyx> yes
[07:00] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with restricted drivers?
[07:00] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: right click it and close it
[07:00] <tinyx> ok
[07:00] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: I'm not. What's the problem>
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: now alt+space -> ama -> press enter
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> it should work now
[07:01] <kalorin_> ok someone amazingly brilliant tell me how to fix this one: I run the system settings and select monitor and display settings, and I get an error message saying "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded. The dianostics is: Possible reasons: An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module or You have old third party modules lying around."
[07:01] <DaSkreech_> kalorin_: try opening it in kcontrol
[07:01] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: I'm just looking for information on the nvidia restricted drivers
[07:02] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: What kind?
[07:02] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: nvidia glx-legacy (restricted) driver
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> pollyo: What kind of info I meant
[07:03] <kalorin_> DaSkreech_: it just returns to the peripherals menu
[07:03] <kalorin_> I click and get the menu again
[07:03] <kalorin_> like I didn't click
[07:03] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: How to get it working.  My system installed it but it is not registering as being used.
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> kalorin_: Umm ask in #kde what is needed for that module
[07:03] <kalorin_> now I am running the ATI driver
[07:03] <DaSkreech_> !nvidia | pollyo
[07:03] <ubotu> pollyo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:04] <Jucato> kalorin_: don't ask in #kde, you'll just get redirected here
[07:04] <Jucato> kalorin_: instead, try to reinstall the kde-guidance package
[07:04] <pollyo> DaSkreech_: I'll check that out.  Thank you.
[07:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: Kubuntu's Monitor & Display is a Kubuntu-only module. KDE doesn't ship with it
[07:05] <tinyx> OMG IT WORKS
[07:05] <tinyx> YOUR SO AWESOME
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: didn't think about that
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: of course it does :)
[07:05] <DaSkreech_> !shout
[07:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:06] <tinyx> I'm not gay man.. BUT I FUC---FREAKIN LOVE YOU.
[07:06] <tinyx> haha
[07:06] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: well if you find yourself thinking that your OS is getting in your way again come here
[07:06] <DaSkreech_> We'll change that pretty quick
[07:07] <kalorin_> ok reinstalling the kde-guideance
[07:07] <kalorin_> all set
[07:07] <tinyx> My friend told me about Ubuntu, and I tried it.. and then I tried Kubuntu
[07:07] <tinyx> I like KDE better =] 
[07:07] <DaSkreech_> Jucato: I'll check what else is in kde-guidance tomorrow
[07:07] <keisangi> anyone have a clue from cron ?  DaSkreech_ ?
[07:07] <kalorin_> ok reinstalled and restarted the settings deal and same same
[07:07] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: I love you too then :)
[07:07] <kalorin_> it's got to be some kernel module that's the wrong version from the stupid ATI drivers
[07:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: userconfig, mountconfig, displayconfig, serviceconfig, and the new wineconfig
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> Ahh that's what does wineconfig
[07:08] <DaSkreech_>  i was trying to figure that out
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> didn't seem very KDeish
[07:08] <DaSkreech_> E
[07:08] <Jucato> DaSkreech_: um no. not the winecfg
[07:08] <Jucato> the one in kde-guidance is a kde frontend to the winecfg one
[07:09] <icecruncher> how do you install rpm's again?
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: can you try and echo into /root/file_you_own
[07:09] <Jucato> !alien | icecruncher
[07:09] <ubotu> icecruncher: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> !rpm | icecruncher
[07:09] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes i tryed manualy, it work
[07:09] <icecruncher> so alien bla.rpm = bla.deb?
[07:09] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Yeah I expected that to
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> the cron is the issue now. did you put the /root/your_file in the cron ?
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: you don't need the =bla.deb it assumes that
[07:10] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: What are you installing?
[07:10] <kalorin_> nope same same :(
[07:11] <icecruncher> DaSkreech_: I need a flash plugin for konq
[07:11] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i have a file named "root" in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/    <--- here ...
[07:11] <DaSkreech_> !flash | icecruncher
[07:11] <ubotu> icecruncher: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:11] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:11] <Jucato> icecruncher: flashplugin-nonfree
[07:11] <icecruncher> thnks all
[07:12] <keisangi> DaSkreech_:   the content is this:  http://rafb.net/p/DOHAkU37.html
[07:12] <kalorin_> ok this is a little strange looking to me
[07:12] <conorkirk1> Is this flash port for the PowerPC architecture?
[07:12] <kalorin_> depmod -n | grep fglrx shows two modules
[07:12] <kalorin_> 1) /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/misc/fglrx.ko
[07:13] <kalorin_> and 2) /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko
[07:13] <kalorin_> but they're not the same size file
[07:13] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: type crontab -e
[07:13] <kalorin_> does that make any sense?
[07:13] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: ok .. i need it
[07:14] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i *did* it
[07:14] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: does it still show you that file ?
[07:14] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: it opened my "root" file from /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
[07:14] <keisangi> into nano editor
[07:14] <DaSkreech_> right
[07:15] <DaSkreech_> change the /file_you_own to /root/file_you_own
[07:18] <kalorin> so any other ideas how to find modules that are orphaned?
[07:18] <kalorin> help me obi-wan, you're my only hope!
[07:19] <kalorin> (but I don't look like leia)
[07:19] <crazy_bus> can I ask feisty questions here or is there a special channel?
[07:19] <DaSkreech_> crazy_bus: officially it's #ubuntu+1
[07:20] <crazy_bus> is that for kubuntu questions too?
[07:20] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: Chewie?
[07:20] <farruinn> After recent updates in edgy Quanta freezes as soon as it opens. Terminal output is at: http://pastebin.ca/435851
[07:21] <jtt> crazy_bus: #kubuntu
[07:21] <kalorin> well not that bad
[07:21] <Jucato> crazy_bus: #ubuntu+1 is for all feisty questions
[07:21] <kalorin> more like, rebel soldier # 237391
[07:22] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: oh that guy. What's he up to nowadays?
[07:22] <kalorin> just finishing up his degree for IT
[07:22] <kalorin> and making the switch to kubuntu
[07:22] <kalorin> nice guy
[07:22] <kalorin> having a hell of a time with his ATI video card :(
[07:23] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: What do you want it to do?
[07:23] <kalorin> and too poor to just go buy a new one
[07:23] <kalorin> well I just want to figure out what it's complaining about with this module that's laying around
[07:23] <kalorin> it would seem it's a kernel module that says it's orphaned
[07:23] <kalorin> and I just can't sleep knowing that there's an orphan on my system needing a good family
[07:23] <kalorin> :)
[07:24] <DaSkreech_> What ati card is it?
[07:24] <kalorin> well it's an x700 and I've got it working now
[07:24] <kalorin> doing the whole big desktop using the ATI drivers and all that jazz
[07:25] <kalorin> but now this applet thing wouldn't run
[07:25] <kalorin> and it's weirdness, I put DPMS settings in the xorg.conf file and it ignores them
[07:25] <kalorin> but if I use xset and set them it's fine and works great
[07:26] <farruinn> Can anyone see if they have the same problem with Quanta that I do?
[07:26] <kalorin> also it always starts with the two screens in clone mode, and I have to use their applet to change it to dual head
[07:26] <kalorin> go figure
[07:26] <farruinn> I have no idea why I'm getting this "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169" error.
[07:26] <kalorin> but since I restart so seldom it's not a big deal, but I do want that module gone
[07:26] <farruinn> I've seen it in a few bugs for kde packages on launchpad, but I didn't see any connection to this
[07:26] <Jucato> farruinn: you can ignore those baddevice errors
[07:27] <Jucato> they're basically just saying that it can't find any wacom device indicated in the xorg.conf file
[07:27] <os2mac> Is there a way through adept to revert to an older version of an installed package?
[07:27] <farruinn> Jucato: Ah, ok. Thanks
[07:28] <farruinn> How can I figure out what's causing the problem then?
[07:29] <DaSkreech_> os2mac: good question. You can do it in apt-get
[07:29] <farruinn> I tried deleting ~/.kde/share/apps/quanta in case there was a bad setting, but it had no effect
[07:29] <Jucato> farruinn: the settings would be in ~/.kde/share/config/
[07:29] <os2mac> DaSkreech: can you give me an example syntax?
[07:29] <Jucato> ~/.kde/share/apps is the application's data folder
[07:30] <icecruncher> amarok won't play podcasts, what to do?
[07:31] <farruinn> Jucato: ah, many thanks, that did it.
[07:31] <flaccid> farruinn: thats intentional
[07:31] <markc> any audio folks here ?
[07:31] <farruinn> flaccid: what's intentional?
[07:31] <flaccid> oh sorry jucato already answered
[07:31] <markc> I mean heavy duty alsa users
[07:31] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: what does amarok do when it won't play podcasts?
[07:31] <flaccid> my bad
[07:31] <flaccid> its a pity kubuntu doesn't wanna get rid of baddevice
[07:31] <farruinn> flaccid: eh, ok :)
[07:32] <farruinn> right, so is that a kde library that's making that message or an X library?
[07:32] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not a kubuntu thing only. it's a whole Ubuntu thing
[07:32] <os2mac> Dascreech: ?
[07:32] <Jucato> farruinn: that's X
[07:32] <flaccid> yes but kubuntu can do something about it then share it with ubuntu
[07:33] <flaccid> i was referring to the community
[07:33] <Jucato> flaccid: what I meant to say is that it's a -core feature/bug/problem/issue
[07:33] <farruinn> so apparently it hasn't been fixed for feisty?
[07:33] <Jucato> kernel/X level
[07:33] <icecruncher> sonoftheclayr: i download them, and it says 'sme media could not be loaded (not playable
[07:33] <Jucato> it's not really something broken to be fixed. it's more of an unwanted side effect
[07:34] <flaccid> its userland
[07:34] <flaccid> not kernel
[07:34] <Jucato> flaccid: X
[07:34] <Jucato> I meant that the -core devs are the ones handling the lower level stuff
[07:35] <flaccid> its specific to X but its responsible in userland
[07:35] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: i dunno, your on your on sorry
[07:35] <flaccid> and to determine if it was broken or an unwanted side effect there woudl need to be some sort of specification document
[07:37] <DaSkreech_> icecruncher: install mp3 support
[07:38] <flaccid> i just don't see why wacom gets the exception to the rule
[07:38] <Jucato> flaccid: because they put that in xorg.conf by default to be able to accomodate tablet pc's and pointing devices such as those on laptops
[07:38] <flaccid> why do they have to do that?
[07:39] <Jucato> it's not really for wacom tablets
[07:39] <flaccid> whats different about wacom
[07:39] <Jucato> ?
[07:39] <flaccid> xorg.conf is an optimised document
[07:39] <Jucato> it's not for wacom tablets themselves
[07:39] <flaccid> xorg configure scripts and programs shouldn't be putting in devices that are not in your system
[07:40] <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings (SystemSettings>Sharing). Even when I click the "Administrator Mode" button and enter my password, it is still greyed out and unaccessable. I even tried "sudo systemsettings" from the Konsole and it's still greyed out.
[07:41] <fdoving> flaccid: don't you want things you plugin to your system to work without re-running the configuration for each device? i for example want my external monitor to work without having to restart X. it does need to be configured to work with xorg.conf in order to acomplish that.
[07:41] <flaccid> thats something different
[07:42] <flaccid> if thats the case why don't we just put all devices in xorg.conf
[07:42] <flaccid> and screw the xorg-reconfigure or whatever
[07:42] <flaccid> then people wouldn't have to much at all but it wouldn't discriminate..
[07:42] <chemicalvamp> i cant seem to move this file from my desktop to a restricted folder...
[07:43] <fdoving> flaccid: because that's unneccessary, and wouldn't work. we're going for a compromise here. simple-enought but yet powerfull and most devices will work.
[07:43] <chemicalvamp> i type sudo mv (path/filename) (path)
[07:43] <chemicalvamp> and i get a line like this: >
[07:43] <flaccid> thing is fdoving
[07:43] <flaccid> isn't a wacom tablet a pc
[07:43] <flaccid> you don't plug it in to your pc, it is the pc ?
[07:44] <flaccid> so the initial xorg configure should detect if you have that an put it in xorg.conf conditionally
[07:44] <jtt> chemicalvamp:  do you only get the  >  (greater than prompt back?)
[07:44] <flaccid> that would save the workaround
[07:44] <N0Lif3|lappy> anybody?
[07:44] <jtt> chemicalvamp: all by itself on a line
[07:44] <mikey> can kubuntu tell me the type of ram on my system?
[07:44] <Jucato> flaccid: a wacom tablet isn't a pc
[07:44] <chemicalvamp> yup
[07:45] <flaccid> what is it?
[07:45] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: you have an open quote
[07:45] <fdoving> flaccid: http://images.google.no/images?q=wacom%20tablet&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
[07:45] <jtt> chemicalvamp: that is you secondary prompt you have a single quote or something taht is preventing the completion of the shell command lien
[07:45] <flaccid> they look like tablet pcs to me http://www.wacom.com/tabletpc/
[07:45] <Jucato> flaccid: http://www.wacom.com/
[07:46] <jtt> chemicalvamp: the shell is expecting more input (closure) before it executes teh mv command
[07:46] <flaccid> it says pc on that site
[07:46] <chemicalvamp> sudo mv /home/chemicalvamp/Desktop/Wag'sdungeon.mod /usr/share/games/egoboo/modules/
[07:46] <Jucato> flaccid: that's a Tablet PC made by the Wacom company
[07:46] <flaccid> yes
[07:46] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: you need to escape the '
[07:46] <flaccid> is that not what we are talking about?
[07:46] <Jucato> flaccid: a plain wacom tablet is an input device
[07:47] <chemicalvamp> do i rename the file?
[07:47] <mikey> anyone?
[07:47] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: tab is your friend
[07:47] <jtt> chemicalvamp: yep the  single quote is the problem  back slash it  ...\'...
[07:47] <flaccid> Jucato: the pen tablet ?
[07:47] <Jucato> "tablet" doesn't necessarily mean "tablet pc "
[07:47] <Jucato> yes
[07:47] <flaccid> well most people when they say tablet they mean a pc
[07:47] <flaccid> and not a stylus
[07:47] <Jucato> and X sees them both as just one device
[07:47] <Jucato> (a stylus isn't a tablet either)
[07:48] <Jucato> a stylus is the pen you use for both plain tablets and a tablet pc
[07:48] <fdoving> flaccid: judging from google images results, that's not true.
[07:48] <flaccid> ok
[07:48] <flaccid> what is a tablet
[07:48] <flaccid> lol
[07:48] <chemicalvamp> thanks guys i just cut the ' out
[07:48] <flaccid> you only linked me to wacom.com which is all of them
[07:49] <DaSkreech_> chemicalvamp: on the command line tab is yourfriend
[07:49] <DaSkreech_> !tab | chemicalvamp
[07:49] <ubotu> chemicalvamp: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:49] <Jucato> fdoving: Plain (graphics) tablet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet
[07:49] <mikey> kinfocenter is mo nice
[07:49] <Jucato> er sorry
[07:49] <Jucato> flaccid: Plain (graphics) tablet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet
[07:49] <mikey> but, don't tell me the type of ram
[07:49] <Jucato> flaccid: Tablet PC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC
[07:49] <chemicalvamp> DaSkreech_ oh yes xD very nice
[07:50] <flaccid> so the tablet is what you right on and so forth. the input device
[07:50] <Jucato> write/draw/point
[07:50] <Jucato> tablet pc is a pc that uses a tablet interface
[07:50] <flaccid> thanks for the explanation
[07:50] <Jucato> so for a tablet pc's interface to work, X must be configured to work with it, hence the wacom lines in xorg.conf
[07:51] <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings (SystemSettings>Sharing). Even when I click the "Administrator Mode" button and enter my password, it is still greyed out and unaccessable. I even tried "sudo systemsettings" from the Konsole and it's still greyed out.
[07:51] <Jucato> for a tablet pc, the tablet is not just an extra device you attach, but an essential peripheral, like a keyboard and a mouse
[07:51] <flaccid> thats cool
[07:52] <Jucato> !away > plasmonet
[07:52] <flaccid> but it should be detected
[07:52] <flaccid> which goes back to my point :)
[07:52] <flaccid> actually maybe i'm wrong. because you would need to restart X if you already had X going and was just handed a tablet to plugin
[07:53] <Jucato> does the installation autodetect if a keyboard is present and removes the keyboard entry if it isn't? or does it work with a default configuration
[07:53] <jtt> N0Lif3|lappy: worked for me not sure where that base menu is
[07:53] <N0Lif3|lappy> jtt: :/
[07:53] <flaccid> its defined explicitly in xorg.conf for keybaord
[07:53] <Jucato> flaccid: then think why it must be explicitly defined in xorg.conf in order for Ubuntu to work on tablet pc's out of the box
[07:54] <flaccid> so the problem really could be xorg because it needs to handle devices that are not currently plugged in right?
[07:54] <jtt> N0Lif3|lappy: cd to  $HOME/,kde  and execute  find . |grep -i  sharing     and see what pops up
[07:54] <mikey> jtt: what was the fix?  happens to me occassionally
[07:54] <flaccid> yes but the xorg configure does the explicit definition..
[07:54] <Jucato> probably. but we're also considering what needs to be ther by default for the system to work ootb
[07:54] <N6REJ> does anyone know why Firefox 2.0.0.3 in linux doesn't show images on webpages?
[07:54] <jtt> mikey: the fix  for  >
[07:54] <mikey> [22:51]  <N0Lif3|lappy> Hey guys, I can't access the share settings
[07:54] <jtt> mikey: i.e. do you mean the fix for  >
[07:55] <Jucato> flaccid: just consider, for a Tablet PC owner, he would probably be having the same baddevice errors for the keyboard and mice entries in xorg.conf
[07:55] <jtt> mikey: ok
[07:55] <mikey> greyed out even when hitting admin button
[07:55] <Jucato> (unless the tablet pc is a convertible)
[07:55] <N6REJ> mikey: I have the same problem :(
[07:55] <flaccid> Jucato: no because keyboard is autodetected or asked with xorg configure program
[07:55] <mikey> seems to be a common onethen
[07:55] <jtt> mikey: i said go to   $HOME/.kde and  execute   find . | grep -i  sharing    and see what pops up
[07:55] <mikey> mine seems to fix itself without a reboot
[07:56] <mikey> ty jtt
[07:56] <jtt> mikey: i am not sure where that menu comes from but it might have info   in  $HOME/.kde
[07:56] <N6REJ> jtt: nothing does.
[07:56] <Jucato> flaccid: anyway, we're going offtopic, we can argue on and on about this, but the people you really want to talk to, if you're really concerned, would be in #ubuntu-devel
[07:56] <jtt> N6REJ: hold on a sec
[07:56] <N6REJ> jtt: k
[07:57] <flaccid> Jucato: i think #xorg might be better. i'll find out the best way to handle this then get back to you
[07:57] <Jucato> not to me though
[07:57] <flaccid> ie. ad-hoc devices with xorg that are not yet plugged in
[07:57] <flaccid> errr yes to you
[07:57] <Jucato> O.o
[07:57] <N0Lif3|lappy> Could somebody look at this config.log file and tell me why it configure doesn't pass for me? http://download.yousendit.com/C91AEC8172DA5E72
[07:57] <flaccid> its called being respectful
[07:57] <Jucato> flaccid: ah ok... if you say so :)
[07:58] <mikey> any shortcut to bring up a root terminal?
[07:58] <flaccid> i'm sure you would like to know the outcome :)
[07:58] <Jucato> mikey: other than using sudo?
[07:58] <mikey> command is what then?
[07:58] <jtt> N6REJ:  yes you are right nothing pops up here either  sorry  i am not an indepth  kde  person
[07:58] <mikey> sorry, nOOb here
[07:58] <N6REJ> jtt: np.
[07:58] <Jucato> !sudo | mikey
[07:58] <ubotu> mikey: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: yeah kinda. but not all too crucial for me :)
[07:59] <N6REJ> N0Lif3|lappy: if you want help with that please put it in a pastebin.  I'm not going to dl a file from a site I don't know.
[07:59] <mikey> jucato: ty.  will have a look
[07:59] <flaccid> severity doesn't matter
[07:59] <N6REJ> !pastebin N0Lif3|lappy
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin n0lif3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <jtt> N6REJ:  look in the  kde  share  directory  probalby  under  /usr and search for  sharing
[07:59] <N6REJ> jtt: cc
[07:59] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: pastebin?
[07:59] <DaSkreech_> .o0(Alt+space)
[08:00] <Jucato> !pastebin | N0Lif3|lappy
[08:00] <ubotu> N0Lif3|lappy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:01] <Jucato> N6REJ: you forgot the | in between the factoid and the nick :
[08:01] <Jucato> :)
[08:01] <N6REJ> lol, figures.
[08:01] <N6REJ> brb, out of smokes.
[08:02] <jtt> N6REJ: is the sharing  icon itself grayed out?
[08:02] <N6REJ> no, it informed me that I don't have the smb/nfs servers installed.
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: oh that is different
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: hold on a moment
[08:03] <N6REJ> yeah, that makes sense... it never said that before.
[08:03] <N6REJ> Thats self explanatory.
[08:03] <jtt> N6REJ: they you know what to do right?
[08:04] <N6REJ> yeah.
[08:04] <jtt> mikey: you there
[08:04] <mikey> yup
[08:04] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: i'm trying to use pastebin by pasting the contents of my config.log file, but when I press Send I just get a page of garbage.
[08:04] <jtt> mikey: did you see my questions to N6REJ
[08:05] <mikey> yea
[08:05] <mikey> sharing yes?
[08:05] <flaccid> where is service management gui located in kubuntu
[08:05] <N6REJ> N0Lif3|lappy: is it a binary file or an ascii file?  don't select a file type.
[08:05] <N6REJ> flaccid: advanced
[08:05] <jtt> mikey: perhaps you also have not installed samba
[08:05] <jtt> mikey: or nfs
[08:05] <flaccid> ah thanks
[08:05] <mikey> no, I've got samba up and running actually
[08:05] <flaccid> gotta kill networkmanager its useless
[08:06] <mikey> windows media center pc hooked to my linux serve
[08:06] <jtt> mikey: and the sharing icon is grayed out?
[08:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: don't you need it to get out?
[08:06] <mikey> not always
[08:06] <flaccid> out of it?
[08:06] <jtt> mikey: sometimes it is sometimes it is not?
[08:06] <N0Lif3|lappy> N6REJ: no, wasn't binary. It's all read-able, it's a log of how my configure process went. ascii
[08:06] <mikey> but, when I hit the admin icon, expecting a password entry, the large box goes red, and nothing fills into it
[08:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: what is the purprose of the network manager, its hassling me 2
[08:06] <mikey> jtt: yes
[08:07] <mikey> seems random
[08:07] <mikey> and clears up by itself
[08:07] <flaccid> i don't know what the purpose of it is
[08:07] <N6REJ> jtt: he's having the problem I had before the latest updates.... now it complains about samba
[08:07] <flaccid> it might help if you are dynamic on several nets, but otherwise it just stuffs up my networking
[08:07] <jtt> mikey: the admin icon, where is that
[08:07] <mikey> bottom of the sharing screen
[08:07] <jtt> mikey: ok hold a min
[08:08] <N6REJ> flaccid: thats what I'm wondering... I'm nat'd and my ip id dynamic ( DUH ) but, still.
[08:08] <N6REJ> jtt: let me make sure samba is in on my side.
[08:08] <flaccid> it might be good wireless, thats about it
[08:09] <N6REJ> flaccid: interesting.  I wonder if I manually turned the silly thing on.
[08:09] <jtt> mikey: funny i dont hav an admin button however, i always login as root
[08:09] <flaccid> what calls networkmanager, coz its not in services?
[08:09] <mikey> oh really...
[08:10] <flaccid> jtt: not good
[08:10] <flaccid> !info network-manager
[08:10] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 222 kB, installed size 540 kB
[08:10] <flaccid> ok its optional
[08:10] <flaccid> so i remove it
[08:10] <flaccid> its quite wrong thats its not installed as a service
[08:10] <flaccid> maybe it goes under dif name
[08:10] <jtt> flaccid: i dont ever run as anything else never have for 20 years
[08:11] <N6REJ> it does.
[08:11] <flaccid> its considered bad practice to login as root under X
[08:11] <N6REJ> sudo apt-cache search networkmanager you'll be surprised
[08:12] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: In Ubuntu it's considered bad to login as root
[08:12] <jtt> flaccid: it is an old wifes tale
[08:12] <mikey> wow...windows media center is MUCH faster with linux as a server
[08:12] <flaccid> DaSkreech_: i read a page once that said its bad to do it for X in general. not sure why
[08:12] <mikey> searching for music is zippy
[08:12] <plasmonet> !kde
[08:12] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[08:12] <N6REJ> The schism to not running as root is simply to protect yourself from yourself
[08:12] <flaccid> mikey: doubt it
[08:12] <mikey> is
[08:12] <flaccid> N6REJ: not the package name. the service name. can you see what the service is called because i can't
[08:13] <mikey> I've been using a windows share for a year.  Just switched to linux
[08:13] <N6REJ> let me look.
[08:13] <flaccid> mikey: maybe you are not using an index
[08:13] <mikey> index?
[08:13] <flaccid> yes
[08:13] <flaccid> locate slocate
[08:14] <mikey> in mce, I search for media, and it populates the database
[08:14] <flaccid> windows using the IndexingService or whatever
[08:14] <mikey> think that's a default setting no?
[08:14] <flaccid> yes mikey you would need to set up an index
[08:14] <flaccid> i've never used mce
[08:15] <mikey> windows has indexing allowed on all default ide hd's no?
[08:16] <flaccid> i don't know sorry mikey. i know back in the day you used have to turn it on, but yeah dunno
[08:16] <flaccid> they most likely made it default
[08:16] <mikey> prob.
[08:16] <flaccid> N6REJ: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=network-manager&version=edgy&arch=i386 can't see it having its own daemon. pretty non-standard
[08:17] <mikey> but, linux crashed when updating my media share, when I hit adept and began looking for an update to my video card
[08:17] <mikey> brb
[08:17] <flaccid> find out why
[08:19] <mikey> how?
[08:19] <mikey> everything locked, had to hard boot
[08:20] <flaccid> check /var/log/syslog before the crash to see if anything went in there
[08:20] <flaccid> can you replicate the crash?
[08:20] <flaccid> ie. does it happen all the time when you use adept
[08:21] <mikey> only happened once
[08:21] <N6REJ> ok, this was werid.
[08:21] <N6REJ> I think I was being hacked!
[08:21] <mikey> and I've used adept many times b4
[08:21] <mikey> was updating 10K songs, that's prob. why
[08:22] <Cosmo_> I forget whats the terminal command to rename a file
[08:22] <ulmolavender> Cosmo_: mv
[08:23] <abortd> isnt mv to move a file from dir to dir?
[08:23] <Jucato> it's also to rename
[08:23] <N6REJ> can someone please explain to me why this place would have an "eth0" entry in my ifconfig?  It was eth0-ahav if I remember right... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15180/
[08:23] <N6REJ> abortd: yes
[08:23] <abortd> ....
[08:23] <ulmolavender> cd /tmp; touch it; mv it there; ls
[08:24] <mikey> flaccid: this mean anything?
[08:24] <mikey> ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:02.0[A]  -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
[08:24] <mikey> in syslog
[08:25] <flaccid> mikey: possible. i guess you could google acpi level, low
[08:25] <mikey> will do
[08:25] <flaccid> but if its hard crash its 50% chance hardware problem
[08:25] <flaccid> if it doesn't happen again then cool
[08:25] <flaccid> what version of ubuntu
[08:25] <keisangi> DaSkreech_:  thanks for the help earlier with cron :)
[08:25] <anees> flaccid: hi...is there prince of percia game in ubuntu
[08:25] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Works now?
[08:26] <mikey> dunno. how can I tell ver?
[08:26] <flaccid> !games > anees
[08:26] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: yes :)
[08:26] <mikey> think it's the newest.  only d/l a few days ago
[08:26] <anees> yes
[08:26] <flaccid> anees: also search http://packages.ubuntu.com or apt:// in konq
[08:26] <flaccid> mikey: i had a hard crash like that last night too
[08:26] <flaccid> on feisty dev
[08:27] <keisangi> DaSkreech_: i was busy so i couldn't test but yes your last messages did solved the prob .. /root/file instead of /file
[08:27] <mikey> not using that one here.  The prior release
[08:27] <DaSkreech_> keisangi: Thought so
[08:27] <flaccid> and i'm on new non-faulty hardware, tested. so could be a bug in the dev release. we wait for prod release first
[08:27] <anees> flaccid: ok...sir...
[08:27] <flaccid> mikey: either way
[08:27] <N6REJ> oh this sucks, opera's been removed from fiesty
[08:27] <mikey> edgy I think
[08:28] <farodi> oi
[08:28] <mikey> is it a pain to add software that is not in the repo directory of adept?
[08:28] <jtt> mikey: the kernel that crashed  was it from  cvs  or  a daily
[08:28] <mikey> no idea
[08:28] <mikey> <--- remember...nOOb
[08:28] <jtt> mikey: where did you get it from
[08:29] <mikey> kubuntu
[08:29] <flaccid> N6REJ: yeah i install the latest desktop version
[08:29] <jtt> mikey: do you have the url
[08:29] <flaccid> mikey: its not hard
[08:29] <mikey> lemme see
[08:29] <jtt> mikey: i am interested because i am on of the testers for ubuntu and kubuntu images
[08:30] <flaccid> to install a .deb package: dpkg -i ./mypackage.deb
[08:30] <N6REJ> flaccid: yeah, I did to, but today its complaining... I'm having a problem with firefox not showing images on certain webpages, and I can't figure out why.  like www.joomla.com it won't show some of the imagery.
[08:30] <DaSkreech_> !opera
[08:30] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:30] <mikey> was 6.10 from http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:31] <mikey> flaccid: ty. gonna add that one to the cheat sheet
[08:31] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: try sudo apt-get install opera and see what happens :D
[08:31] <jtt> mikey: ok that is an older one i am primarily concerned with  7.04 dailys
[08:31] <jtt> mikey: thanks
[08:31] <mikey> np
[08:31] <flaccid> yeah the repos is broken for opera it think i removed it yesterday
[08:31] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: cmd.exe complains :(
[08:31] <tinyx> hello
[08:31] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: yo
[08:31] <tinyx> Nice to see you again DaSkreech_
[08:31] <flaccid> latest opera: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/
[08:32] <tinyx> i was bored.. so i came back to chat =] 
[08:32] <N6REJ> jtt: todays kernel was fine.
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: cool :)
[08:32] <tinyx> I saw somebody online with a 3D desktop type thing... is that possible, or do I not know what I am talking about lol
[08:32] <jtt> N6REJ: did you download the daily
[08:32] <mikey> anyone got a good solution for a windows emulator?
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> !beryl | tinyx
[08:32] <ubotu> tinyx: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:32] <abortd> when is final release of feisty?
[08:32] <abortd> !release
[08:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:32] <abortd> nm
[08:32] <N6REJ> jtt: yep, I use adept auto-updater and trust it heavily.
[08:32] <DaSkreech_> !schedule | abortd
[08:32] <ubotu> abortd: please see above
[08:33] <N6REJ> it dl's over 100 packages today
[08:33] <tinyx> Have you ever used that...
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> abortd: Pretty much next week
[08:33] <abortd> i showed my self first :P
[08:33] <tinyx> umm, what is your name DaSkreech_
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> Da
[08:33] <jtt> N6REJ: good glad someone is testing i am out of pocket for several days
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> skreech
[08:33] <DaSkreech_> _
[08:33] <DaSkreech_>  :-)
[08:33] <kalorin> mikey, vmware
[08:33] <jtt> N6REJ: btw what is dl  deleted?
[08:33] <tinyx> ok cool
[08:34] <abortd> heh
[08:34] <mikey> hmm... I don't think it can open the app I need
[08:34] <tinyx> I hate using the tab function with konversation.. it hates me =/
[08:34] <mikey> which is quickbooks 2006
[08:34] <N6REJ> jtt: download
[08:34] <tinyx> But anyways, have you used beryl skreech?
[08:34] <kalorin> mikey, vmware server is freeware
[08:34] <mikey> kalorin: but ty
[08:34] <kalorin> mkae a windows box and run it in there
[08:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: try using four letters first
[08:34] <mikey> lol
[08:34] <tinyx> DaSkreech_: oh cool
[08:34] <mikey> yea, guess so kalorin
[08:34] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: makes it a lot more likely to hit what you want
[08:34] <kalorin> that's what I'm doing with photoshop
[08:35] <mikey> yea, sux
[08:35] <abortd> thats like asking "whats your name neo"
[08:35] <mikey> I dual boot mine also
[08:35] <kalorin> yep sure does
[08:35] <jtt> N6REJ: i keep rsyncing the dailys but have not had time to test for several days
[08:35] <kalorin> i don't dual boot
[08:35] <mikey> oh ic
[08:35] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Welcome to Kubuntu btw
[08:35] <tinyx> Can you use Photoshop with Kubuntu?
[08:35] <kalorin> just fire up a window with windows running in it, use it, put it away
[08:35] <tinyx> Thank you =] 
[08:35] <DaSkreech_>  I didn't do that before
[08:35] <DaSkreech_> !photoshop
[08:35] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:35] <kalorin> tiny: sure with vmware
[08:35] <kalorin> or some other emulation software
[08:35] <abortd> tinyx, the gimp works just as well i prefer it
[08:35] <mikey> tinyx: I heard you can by using win4lin I believe
[08:35] <N6REJ> jtt: last few days i've been getting updates up the wazzoo.  Glad to see'm too!
[08:35] <jtt> N6REJ: i see heno put out a msg about testing  4/11/07 as they think that will be the RC
[08:35] <kalorin> gimp *laugh* appropriately named
[08:35] <tinyx> I have Wine on my system as well, but yeah.
[08:36] <kalorin> wine didn't work with elements 4 that I tried
[08:36] <tinyx> I wish I could use MySpaceIM.. because my GF has that.. and I have to use Windows to talk to her online
[08:36] <jtt> N6REJ: how are you downloading what command are you using
[08:36] <N6REJ> jtt: I hope we're getting close to a stable RC
[08:36] <abortd> why use windows if all you can do is use windows programs?
[08:36] <mikey> tinyx: trade her in for a linux chick
[08:36] <mikey> lol
[08:37] <N6REJ> jtt: I use the adept-auto updater.  I get a red triangle almost every morning.
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: convert her :)
[08:37] <abortd> i do everything i did on windows in linux without the programs besides utorrent
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: or jump in #kopete and tell them you need myspaceim support ;-)
[08:37] <DaSkreech_> For <3
[08:37] <mikey> abortd: I'm getting there...just a few stragglers
[08:37] <abortd> tell her to use msn
[08:37] <tinyx> I can't use Kopete with AIM.
[08:37] <mikey> like skype, photoshop, quickbooks
[08:37] <tinyx> My buddy list won't show up
[08:38] <abortd> doesnt kopete work with msn vid and mic?
[08:38] <tinyx> I had to install Gaim.. and I HATE GAIM.
[08:38] <jtt> N6REJ:  so you are running 7.04 all the time?
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: Did you have the little blue man running?
[08:38] <kalorin> icky gaim
[08:38] <abortd> gaim is great i use gnome
[08:38] <N6REJ> I would love to be able to use photoshop in *nix.  Gimp drives me crazy.
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: it does that to me as well
[08:38] <N6REJ> jtt: yep!
[08:38] <kalorin> kopete does a nice job with yahoo messenger
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> tinyx: I just sign off and back on and it works
[08:38] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: Yeah much more so than all others save jabber
[08:38] <abortd> gaim pwns all
[08:38] <N6REJ> jtt: having some issues with losing sound settings, but other then that pretty stable for me.
[08:39] <jtt> N6REJ: ok good i cant do that on the road i do it at home but on the road i have to be stable no time to fudge around with problems
[08:39] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: talk to Disney
[08:39] <kalorin> havent tried jabber
[08:39] <tinyx> I get this message You are not allowed to add yourself to the contact list. The addition of "blowthathoesmind" to account "blowthathoesmind" will not take place.
[08:39] <mikey> any samba users here?
[08:39] <kalorin> I got the ymessenger linxu version
[08:39] <kalorin> it sucked bad
[08:39] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: k, will do that.  It just started with the last few updates, so hopefully they're on it.
[08:39] <jtt> N6REJ: sound is not one of my needs for the most part
[08:40] <tinyx> My s/n is blowthathoesmind by the way lol
[08:40] <N6REJ> jtt: cc
[08:40] <N6REJ> jtt: only reason I mainly use it is for skype.
[08:40] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: They are paying for Photoshop to run on Linux
[08:40] <jtt> N6REJ: yes someone asked a question about ubuntu and skype last night
[08:40] <N6REJ> will someone please explain to me why with both FF and opera I can't see the main images at www.joomla.com
[08:40] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: who's paying?
[08:40] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: how?
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Disney
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> To Wine Devs
[08:41] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: wow!
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> It's Photoshop 7 and 8 they want though :)
[08:41] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: 9 has too many bad problems.  I'd be very happy to get 8 solid.
[08:41] <tinyx> brb
[08:41] <DaSkreech_> they are moving a large part of the animation studios to linux cause it saves tehm oodles of money (Go Pixar!)
[08:42] <N6REJ> WAHOOOO!
[08:42] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Some people went to Gimp others couldn't stomach it
[08:42] <mikey> N6RE: konq also don't display image
[08:42] <DaSkreech_> so they worked it out and it costs them less money to get Photoshop working on Linux than it does to move back to Windows
[08:42] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: I'm trying to learn gimp, but it gives me headaches.  There are a few neat tricks it has, but its not as .......mmmmmmm....comfy? as PS
[08:43] <N6REJ> DaSkreech_: oh yeah, and way more secure.
[08:43] <kalorin> yeah yahoo messneger's linux version depends on stuff so old that it's dependency packages aren't even named that anymore
[08:43] <N6REJ> I'll have to talk to my mom and have her talk to my cousin who work at disney.
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: Yeah as I understand it people who invest in PS invest HEAVILY in PS
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> hard to de-trench them
[08:43] <mikey> yup
[08:43] <DaSkreech_> kalorin: and doesn't support VV
[08:44] <N6REJ> yep.... Its like having a maserati and then being asked to drive a jaguar.
[08:44] <kalorin> well you get used to your tools
[08:44] <kalorin> and it costs you too much time to learn new/different tools that do the same things
[08:45] <N6REJ> there is gimpshop, but I have'nt been successful in getting that fully installed.
[08:45] <kalorin> which largely is the reason that windows -> linux switch is so hard for most folks
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: I agree.  I need to make flash files often, and so far haven't found a good way to do that in *nix
[08:45] <mikey> gimpshop?
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: that is the biggest reason for me.
[08:45] <kalorin> N6REJ: it's called vmware
[08:45] <DaSkreech_> mikey: gimp with the Photoshop Shortcut keys
[08:45] <N6REJ> kalorin: is vmware finally mature?
[08:45] <kalorin> or really xen
[08:46] <mikey> ahh
[08:46] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: or Xen on a virtualized proc
[08:46] <kalorin> it works great for me with photoshop
[08:46] <kalorin> vmware server is now freeware
[08:46] <N6REJ> kalorin: way cool!, how about swish?
[08:46] <kalorin> and super easy to install/configure
[08:46] <kalorin> swish?
[08:46] <N6REJ> its a flash creator/editor
[08:46] <kalorin> i have an xp instance on my box here that's got 50gb
[08:46] <kalorin> oh no idea
[08:46] <kalorin> i don't do anything flash
[08:47] <kalorin> it's one of those things I want to learn about later after I finish my degree
[08:47] <N6REJ> is the vmware server in the repos?
[08:47] <kalorin> right now I have way too much stupid finance and quantative methods homework to mess iwth new stuff
[08:47] <kalorin> nah, vmware.com
[08:47] <N6REJ> cc
[08:47] <kalorin> download the server, register for a key, enjoy
[08:47] <kalorin> I installed the whole mess in /home/vmware
[08:47] <kalorin> and just configged it that way
[08:47] <N6REJ> kalorin: you can have quantuam physics.  I'll stick to my electrons LOL
[08:47] <kalorin> so it's out of the way and not messing with things
[08:47] <N6REJ> sweet!
[08:48] <kalorin> quantative methods is business decisions stuff
[08:48] <kalorin> is it better to choose A or B
[08:48] <kalorin> in other words, the formal study of what smart folks just know how to do intuitively
[08:48] <N6REJ> kalorin: OH!!!! that I could use, but would likely lose the rest of my hair.
[08:48] <kalorin> it's amamzing that they can write whole books on naming common sense practices and make money at it
[08:49] <kalorin> actually, amazing and bothersome at the same time
[08:49] <mikey> ain't that called psychology?
[08:49] <N6REJ> lol uh huh.... All I know is I've always been gifted with understanding digital circuits.
[08:49] <kalorin> taking the class is like suffocation
[08:49] <Jucato> !offtopic
[08:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:49] <kalorin> heh
[08:49] <mikey> ;)
[08:50] <jtt> oh oh the police have arrived
[08:50] <kalorin> ok so where would I look for orphaned kernel modules?
[08:50] <Jucato> yes. the police is here
[08:50] <kalorin> speccifically stuff related to fglrx drivers
[08:50] <abortd> jtt, that sucks when that happens
[08:50] <Jucato> (should be "are", but seeing as I'm only one)
[08:50] <tinyx> OK.
[08:50] <tinyx> Beryl, how exactly do I get it to work
[08:50] <tinyx> !beryl
[08:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:50] <flaccid> you are usually the only 'police' guy Jucato :p
[08:51] <N0Lif3|lappy> Where is my .rtorrent.rc file? shouldn't be at /home/myname/? I realize it would be hidden, but still "sudo kwrite /home/myname/.rtorrent.rc" creates a blank file.
[08:51] <N6REJ> just made perfect sense, till they started trying to tell me it was actually ABC, not XYZ, then I went HUH????  I was doing algebra heavily at 11 years old, but nobody ever told me it was algebra, then in college they started teaching us advanced algebra and I almost failed until someone had me tell them how to program and then said, "thats algebra" simple substitution(sp?)... it was like all the stars lit up at once.
[08:51] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: not true
[08:51] <jtt> kalorin: what do you mean orphan
[08:51] <abortd> tinyx, #beryl #ubuntu-effects
[08:51] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: he just gives warning
[08:51] <flaccid> yeah thus my :p
[08:51] <flaccid> im just teasing
[08:51] <Jucato> flaccid: you're lucky DaSkreech_ isn't one of us yet :P
[08:51] <kalorin> jtt well I have this message saying that I have a module that's getting in the way of the settings for monitors and devices
[08:52] <Jucato> anyway, back to work...
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> flaccid: Hear hear!
[08:52] <flaccid> and what are we heheheh
[08:52] <kalorin> N6REJ: that's cool
[08:52] <flaccid> i'm a complete tool
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> ploice
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> moin Ju
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> err Jucato...haha
[08:52] <DaSkreech_> Hey Admiral_Chicago
[08:52] <flaccid> as you guys have noticed since i moved to pcbsd
[08:52] <Jucato> moin Ad :D
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there DaSkreech_
[08:52] <N6REJ> flaccid: do me a favor... go to www.joomla.com and tell me if you see a big picture on the right and a smaller one mid screen on the left that says joomla 1.0.12 & 1.5 beta?
[08:52] <jtt> kalorin: when you issue what command?
[08:52] <N6REJ> kalorin: thanks.  Was just a gift
[08:53] <N6REJ> evening Admiral_Chicago
[08:53] <kalorin> it specifically says that either an error occurred during my last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module or I have old third party modules lyin around
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> morning N6REJ
[08:53] <kalorin> when use the GUI system settings thing and enter the monitor and displays area
[08:53] <mackyman> Does anyone know of a CLI torrent-program?
[08:53] <N6REJ> kalorin: sudo apt-get update -f if I'm not mistaken
[08:53] <jtt> kalorin: ooooooK  kde land  i feel for you but cant reach you!!
[08:54] <N6REJ> kalorin: no thats wrong... sudo apt-get upgrade -f
[08:54] <N6REJ> lol @jtt
[08:54] <flaccid> N6REJ: i dont think i do. that site is weird.
[08:54] <N6REJ> flaccid: its only in *nix that I have a problem... this is strange.
[08:54] <DaSkreech_> mackyman: How about torrent
[08:54] <flaccid> N6REJ: they should learn html/css
[08:55] <N6REJ> flaccid: 1.5 will fix all that.
[08:55] <DaSkreech_> mackyman: I think the right name is bttorrent-headless
[08:55] <kalorin> jtt
[08:55] <flaccid> N6REJ: 1.5 what?
[08:55] <jtt> kalorin: N6REJ  kde is one of those areas I take what is stable
[08:55] <mackyman> DaSkreech_: Thx, I shall check it out
[08:55] <N6REJ> jtt: I hear ya.
[08:55] <kalorin> I don't expect it's really a KDE issue so much as something else that KDE Is complaining about
[08:55] <flaccid> mackyman: bittorrent
[08:55] <kalorin> I've had a mess of a time getting the ATI drivers installed and finally have them stable
[08:55] <jtt> kalorin: yes possible
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> mackyman: rtorrent would work
[08:56] <N6REJ> flaccid: joomla 1.5 will be almost 100% html/css compliant.  Its being totally rewritten.
[08:56] <kalorin> and I suspect it's some leftovers from either the older ATI drivers, or the xorg free drivers
[08:56] <flaccid> N6REJ: thats good to hear. by you?
[08:56] <mikey> how to get a server list in this irc client?
[08:56] <N6REJ> flaccid: dynamic data is always difficult to make fully compliant.  No, I just use it heavily.
[08:57] <jtt> kalorin: yup imagine you are correct
[08:57] <abortd> mikey, what client?
[08:57] <mikey> konversation
[08:57] <N6REJ> kalorin: if you got a file that didn't finish properly -f should fix it.
[08:57] <abortd> did you try the menu buttons?
[08:57] <Jucato> mikey: there's no pre-made server list on Konversation
[08:57] <N6REJ> kalorin: I've had it happen before.
[08:57] <flaccid> N6REJ: not for good developers
[08:57] <Jucato> you have to add your own
[08:57] <mikey> not that I can find
[08:57] <kalorin> hrms.. well it's doing an apt-get upgrade -f
[08:58] <abortd> go to the servers status window and right click it
[08:58] <kalorin> this looks lik it's pulling a lot of stuff
[08:58] <mackyman_> flaccid: bittorrent seems nice =) Thx
[08:58] <jtt> N6REJ: do you just execute   apt-get  upgrade -f    w/no package name
[08:58] <kalorin> yeah
[08:58] <kalorin> heh
[08:58] <N6REJ> flaccid: I don't know.  for example, there is a menu ( d-tree ) style that is mostly not used....
[08:58] <N6REJ> jtt:  yeah
[08:58] <flaccid> mackyman: np
[08:58] <kalorin> goin g to feisty?
[08:58] <mikey> jucato: ty
[08:59] <kalorin> oh it picked up libgdk-pixbuf2 and libqt3 and some other kde libs
[08:59] <kalorin> nice
[08:59] <jtt> N6REJ: and it upgrades everything not just broken links?
[08:59] <flaccid> N6REJ: i'm not sure what you are referring to. but yeah i have no problem with dynamic data. just needs to be html encoded
[08:59] <N6REJ> flaccid: but when it is "activated" it is only for that page ergo the .css must load then.  HOWEVER current css/xhtml rules says thats a no-no
[08:59] <abortd> im not in kde right now :P
[08:59] <N6REJ> jtt: yeah, it will find out what went wrong if anything and fix it.
[08:59] <kalorin> ok restarted the control applet, same error
[08:59] <jtt> N6REJ: thanks for the tip
[08:59] <mikey> any way to get my windows pc toooo connect to my lunux shares without typing in a user/pass?
[08:59] <N6REJ> jtt: np.
[08:59] <kalorin> so it's got to be something odd
[08:59] <N6REJ> jtt: -f stands for "fix"
[09:00] <flaccid> N6REJ: i'm not sure what you mean, but server side should look after the choice of stylesheets
[09:00] <kalorin> of course I've got fglrx blacklisted for apt
[09:00] <mikey> using samba
[09:00] <flaccid> N6REJ: show me this no no please. can you be specific
[09:00] <N6REJ> flaccid: thats not possible in this case.
[09:00] <kalorin> so it's not going to grab those
[09:00] <jtt> N6REJ: is expected it to be  force not fix  interesting
[09:00] <N6REJ> flaccid: lets move to ot
[09:01] <N6REJ> flaccid: kubuntu-ot
[09:01] <flaccid> just pm a link if you can cite an example/w3c recommendation :)
[09:01] <N6REJ> ok, easy.. hang on.
[09:03] <N6REJ> hheheeh time to update my news articles
[09:03] <flaccid> Jucato:  device hotplug  for xorg is in development :)
[09:03] <N6REJ> flaccid: go here http://www.papabearspens.com/
[09:03] <flaccid> N6REJ: and?
[09:03] <Jucato> flaccid: oh that's good news then (for some :P)
[09:03] <flaccid> for all it is yes
[09:04] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:04] <flaccid> :)
[09:04] <N6REJ> flaccid: look at the menu on the left under "store menu" that uses a style sheet and stuff and can be turned on/off depending on the menu style I want.  It is seperate from the rest of the menuing.  So joomla itself can't load the .css ahead of time and still be dynamic cause it doesn't know about it in the template index.php file because it doesn't exist in THAT index.php file.
[09:05] <N6REJ> flaccid: so the result is it comes up as non compliant.
[09:05] <flaccid> what specifically comes up as non-compliant
[09:05] <flaccid> and in what validator?
[09:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: that page..... shoot i forget...
[09:06] <N6REJ> flaccid: thats not my forte' LOL
[09:06] <flaccid> ok dont worry then
[09:07] <jtt> well folks it been great but i need to retire see ya ta'morrow
[09:07] <flaccid> they are thousands of ways to do things. this can be done valid.
[09:07] <N6REJ> flaccid: I have worked hard at removing all tables and such to make it compliant.  I think one of my sites is fully compliant but then it doesn't have a shopping cart attached to it either.
[09:07] <flaccid> well if you ever can't get something valid, i'll show you how
[09:08] <N6REJ> flaccid: oh I don't disagree.  I could manually make it work, but the point is to have the dynamics of being able to hit a switch and have a module or function work/not work and then being compliant too.
[09:08] <N6REJ> flaccid: that would be cool
[09:08] <N6REJ> I wish I knew templates better then I do.  I could use a better template for one of my sites.
[09:09] <tinyx> !beryl
[09:09] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:09] <abortd> !composite
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <flaccid> N6REJ: what you want can be done in standards, valid.
[09:09] <abortd> !compiz
[09:09] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:09] <abortd> whoops
[09:09] <flaccid> you just have to know how
[09:09] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: are you up on FF ?
[09:10] <N6REJ> flaccid: your right I'm sure.  its a long story but suffice it to say I'm not what I once was.
[09:10] <flaccid> ok
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> N6REJ: yes
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> why do you ask?
[09:13] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: would you PLEASE explain something to me..... I'm having a problem with some sites, joomla.com is one of them.  I can't seem to see a few images and I don't know why as I never had the problem in windows
[09:13] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: but other sites are doing it also.
[09:13] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: opera does the same thing.
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[09:14] <N6REJ> k
[09:14] <abortd> because you are not in windows?
[09:14] <abortd> do you have flash?
[09:14] <abortd> java?
[09:14] <N6REJ> abortd: yeah.
[09:15] <N6REJ> abortd: if you go to that page on the top right is a large picture.  The alt text is "100k"
[09:15] <abortd> i know
[09:15] <abortd> i saw it
[09:15] <N6REJ> on the left side 3rd frame down is a box that says 1.0.12 and 1.5beta, I can't see either of those.
[09:15] <N6REJ> do you see the image or the text?
[09:16] <abortd> some webpages are also meant for ie
[09:16] <abortd> i see the text
[09:16] <N6REJ> abortd: that site has always worked well with FF
[09:16] <abortd> FF?
[09:16] <abortd> freedom fighters?
[09:16] <abortd> oh
[09:16] <abortd> firefox
[09:17] <abortd> yeah well
[09:17] <abortd> you're not in kansas anymore dorthy
[09:17] <N6REJ> lol
[09:18] <N6REJ> I fail to see why the browsers should behave differently in *nix then they do in windows.  Thats the whole purpose in being "portable"
[09:18] <DaSkreech_> Night all
[09:18] <N6REJ> nite skreech
[09:18] <abortd> gnight
[09:18] <abortd> its night u mofo
[09:18] <Jucato> g'night DaSkreech_
[09:19] <DaSkreech_> !coc | abortd
[09:19] <ubotu> abortd: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[09:19] <pollyo> What is the difference between a generic kernel and say a 386 kernel?
[09:19] <abortd> they behave different because they are  2 different operating systems
[09:19] <N6REJ> abortd: I don't know who you are but I won't be spoken to like that.  Please don't use that kind of language around me.
[09:19] <abortd> pft
[09:19] <pollyo> How would you determine the kernel type for your computer?
[09:19] <abortd> cry for me if you want to take text in such a way
[09:20] <mikey> how to install an app downloaded outside of adept?
[09:20] <DaSkreech_> mikey: What did you download?
[09:20] <mikey> written in python
[09:21] <mikey> a audio player for mp3 + cdg files (karaoke)
[09:21] <pollyo> Is there a way to reset your xorg.conf to the original settings?
[09:21] <mikey> called pykaraoke
[09:21] <DaSkreech_> that's it's name?
[09:21] <DaSkreech_> oh
[09:21] <DaSkreech_> !info pykaraoke
[09:21] <ubotu> pykaraoke: free CDG/MIDI/MPEG karaoke player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.2-1 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 184 kB
[09:21] <DaSkreech_> mikey: apt-get install it :)
[09:21] <mikey> yahoo
[09:21] <pollyo> do you just run dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg
[09:22] <DaSkreech_> N6REJ: join #wohoo
[09:22] <mikey> .sudo apt-get pykaraoke ?
[09:22] <DaSkreech_> mikey: sudo apt-get install pykaraoke
[09:23] <mikey> yea baby.  lovin it
[09:23] <mikey> ty
[09:27] <Kubuntulator> hello
[09:28] <Kubuntulator> can someone help me with my xorg.conf
[09:28] <DaSkreech_> !X
[09:28] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:30] <N6REJ> nite again skreech
[09:30] <Kubuntulator> what i want to know is how to fix the resoloution and toggle bewtween my laptop screen and the DVI out to my 32" LCD telly
[09:32] <Kubuntulator> any takers with my problem ?
[09:32] <crazy_penguin> Good morning to all!
[09:32] <Kubuntulator> hello
[09:32] <flaccid> Kubuntulator: if you can't do it by gui, you probably need to learn xorg
[09:33] <N6REJ> morning crazy_penguin
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> N6REJ: odd, i can reproduce
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> but I dunno, first I ever saw that behavior
[09:33] <Kubuntulator> yeah i'm hoping theres a place that has some pre written stuff i can past in there
[09:34] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, its weird... I've never seen this problem before.
[09:34] <mikey> kub: got a function key marked crt?
[09:34] <mikey> on the lappy?
[09:35] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: whats really strange is if you view the file and then go back it will be there.  Iv'e seen this kind of behavior once before but can't remember how/when.
[09:35] <mikey> nite all
[09:36] <Kubuntulator> no i have medion 95400 laptop wiht an ati 9600 in it
[09:36] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: it seems to be doing it to all the dynamic imagery.
[09:37] <wolferine> there a good web programming channel?
[09:37] <N6REJ> wolferine: what are you trying to learn/figure out
[09:37] <Kubuntulator> i can get a display on the monitor but ubuntu/kubuntu spits out a dodgy resoloution
[09:38] <wolferine> N6REJ, looking for projects (hopefully straight forward)
[09:38] <N6REJ> Kubuntulator: your going to have to tell kde about both "monitors" and what their specs are.
[09:38] <N6REJ> wolferine: depends on what your experience is.  Sourceforge is a great place to pickup projects.
[09:38] <Kubuntulator> yeah  the display settings will not detect it
[09:39] <wolferine> noob projects :)
[09:39] <N6REJ> Kubuntulator: yeah, probably not.  Especially with the tv being lcd.
[09:39] <N6REJ> wolferine: what languages are you fluent in?
[09:39] <wolferine> Java
[09:39] <wolferine> but I want to experience  ALOT more php/mysql
[09:40] <N6REJ> wolferine: well, I can think of several programs that could use good coders... go look at virtuemart.net  There are tons of things that could use help.
[09:40] <Kubuntulator> what forum would be the best place to go for someone to write some xorg code for me ?
[09:40] <N6REJ> wolferine: I could tell you a list a mile long!
[09:40] <wolferine> seriously?
[09:41] <N6REJ> wolferine: yep!
[09:41] <flaccid> Kubuntulator: its not hard to learn
[09:41] <flaccid> there is lots of stuff on the net
[09:41] <flaccid> it might just be a case of changing the res in xorg.conf for the second monitor to the desired res and thats it
[09:41] <flaccid> so have a look at your xorg.conf, make a backup and start checking out :)
[09:41] <wolferine> so think you can pick something (or two) that a new person might be able to do?
[09:42] <N6REJ> wolferine: the best way is to go there and look at the bug reports, then pic something your comfortable with.  either that or give me a few minutes and I'll chat with you privately.
[09:43] <wolferine> pls
[09:43] <wolferine> if you dont mind
[09:43] <wolferine> direction is REALLY appreciated
[09:43] <flaccid> wolferine: just pick up a project and get involved. join the mailing list or whatever they have
[09:44] <N6REJ> thats basically it... .I was just telling him that if he wants to join something that could really use some good effort, virtuemart is one.
[09:45] <wolferine> yeah
[09:45] <wolferine> joining it now
[09:45] <flaccid> yeah its a bit weird telling someone a project to join
[09:48] <N6REJ> flaccid: I know, I suggested he look at source forge too :P
[09:48] <wolferine> vm?
[09:48] <N6REJ> wolferine: virtuemart
[09:48] <wolferine> ah
[09:52] <David> a nice software to build DVD's?
[09:54] <N6REJ> David: why kind of dvd's ?  I've been using k9copy
[09:54] <N6REJ> no
[09:54] <N6REJ> k3b
[09:54] <N6REJ> sorry
[09:55] <David> N6REJ, to autogenerate menus, etc...
[09:55] <David> DVD Videos.
[09:55] <David> Sorry
[09:55] <N6REJ> I think k3b does all that.
[09:56] <mackyman_> k3b is nice =)
[09:56] <crazy_bus> alot of internet downloads have only wmv and mov.  Which format is the most free
[09:56] <David> Really?
[09:56] <David> can I import video files?
[09:56] <dug> is there a quicktime for linux?
[09:56] <wolferine> DaVId avi->DVD?
[09:57] <David> DVDVideos.
[09:57] <N6REJ> bedtime for me.
[09:57] <N6REJ> !k3b | david
[09:57] <ubotu> david: k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:58] <nonuda> !gambas
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gambas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <wolferine> so flaccid do you know any easy web programming projects I might try?
[09:59] <cpk1> David: try kmediafactory if you want to make a dvd menu and stuff
[09:59] <wolferine> just looking for something to help me learn it
[09:59] <mackyman> dug: or to be more precise, quicktime librarys, and then you use another player (like the ones bundled with your version, koffeine in kde )
[09:59] <Shura`> hello, is anyone using Konversation ? I have 2 questions : how can I auto-auth (on quakenet for exemple) on connect  ? and can i auto-rejoin a channel after having being kicked ? thnks !
[09:59] <flaccid> wmv and mov are ms and apple. mov is better, both can be supported on linux and both are non-open
[10:00] <flaccid> wolferine: i wouldn't recommend contributing to project if you havnt learn. go and learn first so when you contribute, your contribution is actually decent
[10:00] <crazy_bus> is mp4 non open as well?
[10:00] <flaccid> you don't need to contribute to a project to learn
[10:01] <mackyman> Shura`: wait a momento
[10:01] <wolferine> yeah, but I mean, is there something I can aim towards designing, that might be straight forward
[10:01] <dug> so kaffeine will play quicktime movies
[10:01] <flaccid> crazy_bus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14
[10:01] <Shura`> mackyman : ok ty
[10:01] <icecruncher> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[10:01] <dug> or do i need codecs also
[10:01] <icecruncher> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[10:01] <icecruncher>         LANGUAGE = "en_AU:en",
[10:01] <icecruncher>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[10:01] <icecruncher>         LANG = "en_AU.UTF-8"
[10:01] <icecruncher>     are supported and installed on your system.
[10:01] <icecruncher> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[10:01] <icecruncher> anybody any ideas??
[10:01] <wolferine> for example, I did a website which sold flowers in school
[10:02] <wolferine> !pastebin | icecruncher
[10:02] <ubotu> icecruncher: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:02] <icecruncher> wolferine, i know, sorry about that
[10:02] <flaccid> wolferine: um anything is... there is so much php/mysql resources on the net. if you can't find something to make then you have an issue
[10:02] <mackyman> Shura`: Auto-auth: File->Server list->Quakenet->Edit->Commands
[10:02] <wolferine> ah, well thanks flaccid, I guess I obviously do
[10:02] <mackyman> And enter the command for auth in there
[10:03] <flaccid> wolferine: if you browse sourceforge projects under php, im sure you will find something you can make your own of like a cms, ecomm cart, task manager, calendar whatever
[10:04] <jack_deltrino> Hmm, I haven't kept up with the times. Do you need Java 1.4 with Java 1.6 now? Back with 1.5, 1.4 was still completely necessary, but does 1.6 have any special compatibility modes?
[10:05] <Shura`> mackyman : thank you !
[10:05] <mackyman> np
[10:06] <crazy_bus> I read the wikipedia artical on mp4 but I'm still not sure if its open or closed.  Its says its nearly idetical to mov.  But it also says it used to be a ISO
[10:06] <wolferine> anyone else?
[10:11] <nonuda> !phoenix
[10:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phoenix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <flaccid> i think it would be open because its an ISO
[10:11] <flaccid> has been ratified
[10:12] <flaccid> but im not sure
[10:12] <flaccid> i gtg
[10:12] <flaccid> cyas
[10:12] <wolferine> anyone know any easy web programming projects I might try?
[10:16] <nonuda> is there a way we can install rpm packages?
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> nonuda: alien, but do you really need to, adept has most packages
[10:17] <Jucato> !alien
[10:17] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[10:18] <rockprincess> hello everyone! do you think it's possible to download and install the kde 3.5.6 packages from here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php, for my edubuntu edgy....edubuntu edgy currently uses KDE 3.5.5
[10:19] <busfahrer> rockprincess: You could also just wait for Feisty, its due next week and will include KDE 3.5.6
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> rockprincess: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <nonuda> Admiral_Chicago: i need this http://www.janus-software.com/phoenix_download.html as u can see it doesn't available in deb format
[10:21] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, use alien
[10:21] <rockprincess> busfahrer: I'd rather wait for Feisty after it passed the critical month....last time I upgraded from dapper to edgy (the same day as it was released) and lots of stuff wasn't working properly. it's a bit more critical on edubuntu with all these LTSP network configurations etc....
[10:22] <rockprincess> Admiral_Chicago: excellent, that's what I thought! I upgraded my Kubuntu machine quite easily...but I wondered if it would work the same way on Edubuntu as well :) THANK YOU
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> rockprincess: np
[10:23] <nonuda> Admiral_Chicago: ok..thanks
[10:24] <busfahrer> rockprincess: Remember, it's basically the same distro, only differing in artwork and what's installed by default
[10:25] <rockprincess> busfahrer: true, i thought it could be a bit more tricky since Edubuntu uses Gnome as its default window manager....
[10:30] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > Hello :)
[10:30] <icecruncher> hi
[10:38] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > anyone know how to make system restore, load defaults or smt.. :/ ?
[10:41] <SilentDis> *yawn* hello :)
[10:43] <mackyman> Morning SilentDis
[10:43] <SilentDis> mornin'.  :)
[10:45] <wolferine>  anyone able to recommend something to develop to help with learning php/mysql?
[10:46] <nonuda> !php
[10:46] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:47] <wolferine> it appears since no one else is really talking, that that was for me?
[10:47] <SilentDis> wolferine: by 'learn', do you mean learn how to setup a LAMP environment, or learn to actually code in PHP?
[10:47] <wolferine> recommend something to develop to help with learning php/mysql?
[10:48] <SilentDis> wolferine: ahh.  a 'project' :)
[10:48] <SilentDis> wolferine: some basic ones:  a guestbook, a blog, a simple shopping cart, a image thumbnailer :)
[10:49] <wolferine> what is a guestbook?
[10:49] <dromer> hi, does somebody know a command-line tool for converting swf to gif?
[10:49] <mackyman__> I have wounders same thing as Jucato...
[10:49] <SilentDis> dromer: swf is flash animation... you mean like output the individual frames into GIF files?
[10:50] <SilentDis> wolferine: a guestbook.  people visit the site, and leave comments.  :)
[10:50] <mackyman__> wolferine: A guestbook i a place where the visitors can place comments on the site ( and occationly, spambots to spam )
[10:51] <wolferine> a really stripped down BB?
[10:51] <SilentDis> wolferine: gives you a decent basic understanding of opening a database and writing to it, or a flatfile, etc
[10:51] <dromer> SilentDis: well, I have this flash-file, and I want to use it in a presentation, but Powerpoint can't handle swf, so I want to move it to a different format
[10:51] <mackyman__> wolferine: something like that
[10:51] <wolferine> so a user needs to login?
[10:51] <SilentDis> wolferine: you could attach a login to it as well.  that would make for a bit more 'work' on your end :)
[10:52] <dromer> SilentDis: so preferably all the individual frames would be in a single animated gif
[10:52] <SilentDis> dromer: there's no real dev packages for flash on linux yet, as it's all a closed environment... at least from what I've seen.
[10:52] <dromer> hmm, ok
[10:53] <SilentDis> wolferine: if you did go with the logins, you could get fancy and do e-mail checks and such too.  might be a bit too much to bite off the first time in though ;)
[10:53] <wolferine> yeah, I agree
[10:53] <wolferine> so I just want to have a place like pastebin almost?
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> SilentDis: Gnasd
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> gnash*
[10:54] <SilentDis> wolferine: a guestbook shouldn't be too hard, ask for a name and a comment.  add that info to a MySQL db or a flat file, and apend it all to the bottom of the page.  very straightforward, and a good 'stepping stone'
[10:54] <SilentDis> !gnash
[10:54] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[10:55] <SilentDis> Admiral_Chicago: ty :)
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[10:55] <wolferine> yes, sounds simple enough
[10:57] <wolferine> can I pm u SilentDis ?
[10:57] <SilentDis> wolferine: if you've !register ed, sure :)
[10:57] <pollyo> It took me close to a month but I finally screwed up my system.
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[10:57] <pollyo> Oh my...
[10:57] <SilentDis> pollyo: grats!  lol
[10:58] <pollyo> Any way I can reinstall without disturbing my home directory?
[10:58] <pollyo> And or get all my modules resynced?
[10:58] <pollyo> I have three different kernels versions installed somehow.
[10:58] <SilentDis> pollyo: is /home on a seperate partition?
[10:59] <pollyo> SilentDis: No. (Guess that is something to keep in mind for the future)
[10:59] <pollyo> SilentDis: Is there an option for it being on the same partition as everything else?
[10:59] <kraut> moin
[10:59] <cpk1> pollyo: there's nothing wrong with having more than 1 kernel on your computer
[10:59] <SilentDis> pollyo: what cpk1 said :)
[11:00] <pollyo> cpk1: Ok.  My system will not boot and if I boot to a terminal I get no internet.
[11:00] <SilentDis> pollyo: you can remove them if you want, but there's no harm in having them.  it's very rare to fill up /boot until you start kernel hacking, and you have 10+ lol
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: all on one HDD?
[11:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: um. 3 kernels I mean :)
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ...thats not backup at all :)
[11:01] <pollyo> OK.  I think I might have mismatched the restricted drivers and the kernel versions.
[11:01] <pollyo> I was reading that could cause problems.
[11:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: oh I was reacting to cpk1 :)
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> ah I see Jucato
[11:01] <jack_deltrino> How do I install Opera on Kubuntu?
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> !opera
[11:02] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: keep
[11:02] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: looking at it... still looking at other options...
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> but...I don't do backups, probably should
[11:02] <pollyo> Should I have generic or i386 or something else as a kernel?  My machien is a PIII
[11:03] <jack_deltrino> Ah, preferred way: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[11:03] <Jucato> pollyo: -generic
[11:03] <Jucato> pollyo: it's optimized and supported best
[11:03] <pollyo> Ok
[11:04] <pollyo> Any suggestions as to how to get my machine able to boot again?  I know I haven't shared much as to what is going on..
[11:04] <pollyo> But I have generic, latency, and i386 bootup options.
[11:04] <pollyo> I was messing around with the restricted driver support and think I might have trashed my network support.
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: LiveCD in?
[11:05] <pollyo> Can I apt-get from the boot up CD and put the packages on the hard drive and install them?
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> Yes.
[11:05] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Yes.  I am on Live CD now.
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Gotcha, the CD has a repository of its own that it adds by default to the top of the sources.list.
[11:05] <hsn_> can someone point me to www page with package search like packages.debian.org?
[11:05] <Admiral_Chicago> wow, i wish I knew python right about now
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> packages.ubuntu.org
[11:05] <jack_deltrino> er, .com
[11:06] <CarinArr> lol.
[11:06] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Ok.  Is there a basic recovery method to replace the underlyng system?
[11:06] <jack_deltrino> Admiral_Chicago: What do you need, I might be able to help.
[11:06] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: That will reinstall the core packages?
[11:06] <Admiral_Chicago> jack_deltrino: i'm looking at bughelper, adding regex support. I'm just complaining really.
[11:07] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: You could try apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop to get you your default desktop
[11:07] <icecruncher> !update > icecruncher
[11:07] <jack_deltrino> Admiral_Chicago: import re and then work with python > help(re)
[11:08] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: How do I tell it to install to the harddrive?
[11:08] <lupul> can anyone tell me please how i erase the files that kubuntu downloaded for upgrade
[11:08] <lupul> ?
[11:08] <hsn_> jack_deltrino: thanks.
[11:08] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: What happens if you chroot in? What exactly happened to your system?
[11:08] <Admiral_Chicago> jack_deltrino: eh? not sure what that even means. I'm looking at a few cases of help, might look for you in a few minutes
[11:08] <jack_deltrino> lupul: They are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:09] <lupul> thank you very much
[11:09] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I was messing around with the restricted drivers and messed up my video.  At the same time I must have deleted some drivers that also worked the wireless network card.
[11:10] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I couldn't even get to the irc from a terminal.
[11:10] <jack_deltrino> Admiral_Chicago: import re "grabs" the regular expression module if you want to think of it that way. If you enter python in a terminal and then help(re) you'll see all the available functions
[11:10] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: No telnet.  No network.
[11:10] <lupul> and when i use apt-get install it downloads them there also? in /var/cache/apt?
[11:10] <keisangi> how one could capture a command output into a txt file ?  i would like to capture the output i can see on screen when i do a postgres dump ... but when i try:  pg_dumpall -v > table.dump >> blah.txt   .... i get the actual database backed up into the text file lol .. instead of the output i see on screen when the dump take place ..
[11:10] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: As an aside, you shouldn't be using telnet any more.
[11:10] <keisangi> anyone, an idea ?
[11:11] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Ok
[11:11] <jack_deltrino> keisangi: command 1>>output.log 2>>output.log
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> no the groundwork is all here, just need to wrap my mind around what I am doing
[11:11] <jack_deltrino> lupul: I believe so yes.
[11:11] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Any suggestions as to how to reinstall the base system?  I'm 30 days into linux.
[11:11] <keisangi> jack_deltrino:  that would work without putting the actual database into my text file ?
[11:11] <lupul> still a newbee :(
[11:12] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: was doing fine but I started trying to do too much to fast.
[11:12] <jack_deltrino> jack_deltrino: Sorry, should have read more than just the first line of what you said.
[11:12] <jack_deltrino> er...
[11:12] <jack_deltrino> keisangi: That was for you. But I'm not 100% familiar with PostgreSQL.
[11:13] <pollyo> Anyone have a suggestion on how to reinstall the base packages or is it even possible?
[11:13] <keisangi> jack_deltrino: ok, i'll try, thank for the help
[11:13] <pollyo> Without having it destroy my home directory.
[11:13] <mardi> hi, there was a kernel upgrade last night?
[11:14] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: How about you copy files over somewhere like a removable storage device like a floppy or USB key?
[11:14] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I copied gigs of files to my homedirectory.
[11:14] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Just wipe the installation and if you can't afford to lose your machine again, run Ubuntu and then a virtualized Ubuntu inside to test stuff.
[11:15] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Hmm, well a 1 gb USB stick goes for about 10 bucks now.
[11:15] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: What about a DVD burner? Got one handy?
[11:15] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Its about 6-8 DVD's
[11:15] <jack_deltrino> Wow. Hmm, well I'll look into it, because I'd definitely like to know.
[11:16] <jack_deltrino> See if apt-cache search base gives you anything useful.
[11:16] <jack_deltrino> I'm too lazy to look through all of it, as it's 2 in the morning and I have to get going early tomorrow.
[11:17] <busfahrer> How do you mount a .bin/.cue CD image?
[11:17] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Can I  resize a partition on my drive and move my home directory onto the new partition?
[11:18] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Then reinstall on the other partition?
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: You can.
[11:18] <bumzo> hi kubuntu pple
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: But make sure to give your home directory enough space then.
[11:18] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Is resizing linux partitions safer then resizing ntfs?
[11:18] <bumzo> what is ''drapper'' ?
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Definitely.
[11:18] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: People still give the standard "backup your data" disclaimer though.
[11:19] <jack_deltrino> Frankly, I've never had problems with resizing either.
[11:19] <CarinArr> busfahrer: a google search gives you like thousands of results for that
[11:19] <bumzo> jack: how do you resize linux partitions?
[11:19] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Ok.
[11:20] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Do I use the same partition program that is used to resize ntfs paritions?
[11:20] <pollyo> qpart?
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: No. Especially not if you used ntfs-3g which actually uses Windows DLLs I believe.
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> qtparted works just fine.
[11:20] <jack_deltrino> I thought you were using ntfsresize ;)
[11:22] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: If I mount my linux partition is there a command to calculate the size of my current home directory?
[11:23] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: To give me an idea of the size of the partition to create/
[11:26] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: du -skh /home/pollyo and then estimate how much more you might need.
[11:27] <pollyo> ok.. I guess I want to do du -sku /mnt/pollyo/home/pollyo
[11:28] <pollyo> jack_deltrino:  70 Gig
[11:30] <pollyo> The entire partition is 148.34Gig..
[11:31] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Will qparted give me any idea of how much free space is on the drive?
[11:34] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I don't have one open to tell you that unfortunately.
[11:36] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: It does.  I have 148.34Gig partition and 109.25 is used.
[11:37] <pollyo> I have an idea though.
[11:37] <keisangi> jack_deltrino: thank that worked well :)
[11:38] <keisangi> that really helped me out :)
[11:38] <pollyo> There must be someway to just reinstall the base kubuntu system.
[11:38] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Like I said, read through apt-cache search base. I don't know the answer and it doesn't seem like anyone else does at the moment.
[11:38] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Ok.
[11:39] <pollyo> apt-cahse search base
[11:39] <pollyo> Ok
[11:39] <jack_deltrino> You know copy-paste works wonders.
[11:39] <pollyo> brb
[11:44] <starter> hello friends
[11:44] <starter> can someone tell me where to put this:
[11:44] <starter> setxkbmap -layout 'us,mk' -option grp:switch -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option grp_led:scroll
[11:44] <starter> in order to be executed at boot?
[11:46] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > anybody know, where can get beryl plugins? :/
[11:47] <Jucato> !beryl
[11:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:50] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > thanks
[11:53] <starter> anyone can direct me to a tutorial for connecting from an XP machine to Kubuntu (KDE) via VNC?
[11:53] <starter> krfb does not work by the way, tried it with UltraVNC and TightVNC
[11:56] <kgx0> starter: search for freenx
[11:57] <kgx0> its like a better version of vnc
[11:59] <Black_Cat> i've installed about 20 games thru apt-get, but only 3rd part of them appeared in kmenu, what's the matter? isn't apt-get install enough?
[11:59] <starter> ah damnit...I tried with vnc4server but it doesn't seem to work
[12:00] <starter> anyone used this config?
[12:00] <starter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=259448
[12:02] <lupul> !video editor
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video editor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <kgx0> !freenx
[12:05] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[12:08] <lupul> someone knows a video editor? good one but free of course :D
[12:10] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > !kde
[12:10] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[12:10] <balrok> i tried avidemux.. but it's very small
[12:10] <lupul> small?
[12:10] <christophe> 12
[12:10] <balrok> it doesn't have that much functions..
[12:11] <lupul> aha
[12:11] <lupul> ok
[12:11] <lupul> thanks anyway. i'll try it
[12:12] <balrok> maybe you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-92934.html
[12:14] <Black_Cat> i've installed about 20 games thru apt-get, but only 3rd part of them appeared in kmenu, what's the matter? isn't apt-get install enough?
[12:17] <lupul> about games....  how do i start quake3 ? :D
[12:17] <lupul> i downloaded it from torrents already installed, but i don't know how to make it work
[12:31] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > !beryl rmp
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl rmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > !beryl rpm
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl rpm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <superkirbyartist> I need to enable direct rendering on the iMac G3.
[12:45] <yogi> i need to enable mp3 on my system, how do i do this.
[12:46] <superkirbyartist> Yogi: go at a terminal and type
[12:46] <superkirbyartist> sudo apt-get install madplay
[12:48] <yogi> superkirbyartist: thanks
[12:48] <superkirbyartist> No problem Yogi.
[12:48] <Jucato> !mp3 | yogi
[12:48] <ubotu> yogi: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:49] <superkirbyartist> Jucato, I think madplay will do.
[12:49] <superkirbyartist> As soon as I installed it, I can play mp3s!
[12:49] <Jucato> superkirbyartist: on Amarok and Kaffeine?
[12:49] <Jucato> and the embedded video player in Konqueror?
[12:50] <superkirbyartist> Jucato, I usually prefer Somethingbox on Gnome, but this iMac G3 has KDE.
[12:50] <superkirbyartist> So I use Amarok, and get a lot of garbage radio stations.
[12:51] <Jucato> so delete those stations :)
[12:51] <Jucato> (it's not like they play when you start amarok)
[12:51] <superkirbyartist> Jucato: yes, but the devs force them to stay.
[12:51] <Jucato> anyway, you didn't answer whether madplay will allow amarok and kaffeine to play mp3's avi's etc
[12:52] <Jucato> anyway, your call. if you're happy with it, no problem on my part
[12:53] <yogi> what's the command to play .dat files ( these are movie files)
[12:53] <superkirbyartist>  P.S don't use XGL it disables direct rendering.
[12:56] <] [B] [o] [D] [o] [M] > !fedora
[12:56] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[01:00] <ryiel> Hey guys, can someone tell me how can i set my refresh rate to 75hz? my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/RWjoC945.html
[01:03] <pgquiles__> Riddell: ping
[01:04] <ryiel> No idea?
[01:07] <mackyman__> ryiel: Try add @75 after the resulotion, eg:          Modes "1280x1024@75" "1152x864@75" "1024x768@75" "800x600@75" "640x480@75"
[01:07] <ryiel> ok, im trying
[01:07] <ryiel> thanks
[01:08] <Riddell> pgquiles__: hi
[01:08] <pgquiles__> Riddell: hi
[01:08] <pgquiles__> Riddell: will the SoC gdebi port for Qt/KDE be a new application or added features to Adept?
[01:09] <ryiel> No luck, still 60hz
[01:09] <pollyo> Oh my...
[01:09] <pollyo> Getting this thing back in shape.
[01:09] <Riddell> pgquiles__: it'll be a port of the existing ubuntu one, separate from adept
[01:09] <starter> hello again, I have disabled the KDE screensaver, and yet I still get a black screen aftera minute of inactivity, sometimes with a white "X"
[01:10] <starter> any solution for this? I would like to start the screensaver only manually ctrl-alt-L
[01:10] <ryiel> mackyman__: any other idea?
[01:11] <Riddell> starter: turn off power saving in system settings-> display
[01:12] <pollyo> I some how went from generic to i386 and idea how I would go back?
[01:12] <starter> Riddell: it _is_ turned off :) checked it again right now
[01:12] <pollyo> I want generic kernel.
[01:12] <starter> any command like I could use?
[01:12] <starter> like=line
[01:13] <ryiel> Any idea guys why I cannot set the refresh rate to 75hz? my xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/RWjoC945.html
[01:14] <Riddell> starter: possibly remove DPMS from /etc/X11/xorg.conf then
[01:15] <starter> hmm, will try that
[01:15] <starter> thanks
[01:17] <starter> I have:
[01:17] <starter> Section "Monitor"
[01:17] <starter> 	Identifier	"SyncMaster"
[01:17] <starter> 	Option		"DPMS"
[01:18] <starter> just remove Option"DPMS"?
[01:18] <pollyo> In adept there are quite a few linux-restricted-modules listed.  Are they autodetected or do you simply pick the latest?
[01:20] <sh4rk0> hello
[01:22] <mackyman__> ryiel: Then I have no Idea
[01:23] <mackyman__> And sorry for the late answet ;)
[01:23] <mackyman__> *answer
[01:23] <mackyman__> And oh... ryiel, I checked out a bit. Sorry, it shuld be @75hz and not
[01:24] <mackyman__> @75
[01:26] <ryiel> ok, i try that thanks
[01:27] <tatters> could anyone tell me where in kcontrol the option is to set my screen resolution?
[01:39] <pgquiles_> tatters: Peripherals -> Monitor & Display
[01:41] <ryiel> re
[01:42] <ryiel> mackyman__: this @75hz doesnt work
[01:42] <ryiel> any other idea?
[01:42] <s-toned> I can't run khotkeys standalone, only from within kcontrol. Is this a bug?
[01:43] <s-toned> The message is: "ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed."
[01:46] <uol> hello
[01:48] <amdiak> bonjour
[01:48] <keyo_> hello ;)
[01:48] <amdiak> Bonjour tout le monde; je suis nouveau ubuntiens
[01:49] <amdiak> Qeulqu'un peut m'aider?
[01:49] <keyo_> I only understand 10 or so french words :)
[01:50] <amdiak> hello keyo, my english is not too good but we can try
[01:51] <keyo_> you have a problem?
[01:51] <angasule> !fr
[01:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:51] <anti_pop> how do i update my bios with linux >?
[01:51] <amdiak> ok ubotu mai scomment je suis tout bleu?
[01:51] <keyo_> !about
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <keyo_> ubotu is a bot not a person amdiak
[01:52] <angasule> !ubotu
[01:52] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:53] <amdiak> keyo I upgrade my system from ubuntu dapper drake to kubuntu edgy eft and now my gnome is not working properly
[01:53] <keyo_> can anyone tell me what i need to do to give my user account perminent root rights
[01:54] <keyo_> amdiak: what version of gnome
[01:55] <angasule> keyo_: add the user to the 'admin' group, I think
[01:55] <amdiak> eh don't know, I think the one for Edgy eft (Ubuntu 6.10)
[01:56] <keyo_> angasule: i will try, i think i am already in that group, i need to be able to edit all files/folders or else my webserver is useless
[01:57] <angasule> keyo_: to edit files as root, you can right click on a file (in konqueror) and go to 'Actions' and 'edit as root'
[01:58] <keyo_> angasule: i know but i need to be able to make a new folder for all my php files, then they need to be edited by apache or whatever
[01:58] <angasule> keyo_: if you will be editing many files, it might be better to press ALT+F2 and run 'kdesu kate' (kdesu is like sudo but for KDE programs)
[01:59] <angasule> keyo_: ubuntu uses sudo, are you familiar with it?
[01:59] <keyo_> angasule: is there a way i can make myself a root user perminantly
[01:59] <angasule> keyo_: if you type 'sudo su' in a console, you will be root there
[01:59] <amdiak> Keyo, are thinking of my problme?
[02:00] <keyo_> angasule: yes i am, my account needs full privilledges so my webserver is functional
[02:00] <amdiak> But when you tape sudo, you are already root!
[02:00] <angasule> !sudo
[02:00] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:00] <angasule> no, you type sudo as a user, to execute programs as root
[02:01] <amdiak> that's true ubotu
[02:01] <keyo_> i know what sudo and sudo su do, i've used them often i guess i need to make my user part of the root group
[02:01] <keyo_> amdiak: ubotu is a computer
[02:02] <amdiak> ho! ok do you have a solution for me?
[02:04] <keyo_> type !something and it will respond
[02:04] <keyo_> !suse
[02:04] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[02:05] <amdiak> I said that I upgrade my system from Dapper Draker to Edgy eft Kubuntu, since that my gnome desktop dons't work properly
[02:06] <keyo_> from kubuntu to kubuntu?
[02:06] <keyo_> what happens when you try to start a gnome session
[02:06] <angasule> amdiak: gnome? you might want to ask in #ubuntu
[02:07] <amdiak> ask in #ubuntu, what is that?
[02:08] <amdiak> ok it's a channel I see thanks!
[02:09] <keyo_> im not getting anywhere with this root thing
[02:10] <keyo_> it doesn't seem to let me join the root group
[02:10] <sonoftheclayr> keyo_: i think you need to add the user to the sudoers file
[02:12] <bobdhicks> Newbie needs help. I have version 6.10. Using Adept Manager, I did a Fetch updates. After that finished, I chose a calculator program and tried to install it.All the downloading worked. The installation has stalled at 1% with "Preparing upgrade of sun-java-bin...". It has frozen at this installation before and I have had to clean up the mess before I could use Adept Manager again. Can someone suggest what I can do to get out of this
[02:12] <bobdhicks> problem?
[02:12] <sonoftheclayr> bobdhicks: with jave you need to agree to a license
[02:13] <Flegma> do you have some idea how to solve it???
[02:14] <Nuscly> try to see if there are a message in the adept konsole
[02:16] <Flegma> Nuscly: where???
[02:17] <Nuscly> Flegma: there are a show details button, or something like that near the progress bar
[02:17] <Nuscly> Flegma: of adept install
[02:19] <bobdhicks> When I use show details, there is a license. I can't click on OK. How can I agree in Adept Manager?
[02:19] <Flegma> Nuscly: Kmix??
[02:19] <Flegma> Nuscly:  no message....
[02:20] <angasule> bobdhicks: try pressing 'enter'
[02:20] <Nuscly> bobdhicks: type y and then enter to accept
[02:21] <Jucato> bobdhicks: what are you trying to install using Adept?
[02:22] <Flegma> Nuscly:  i tried to remove kmix and install again...but no change...
[02:23] <michas> hi ;f
[02:24] <Nuscly> Flegma: What is your problem ?
[02:25] <Flegma> Nuscly: i cant hear sound and kmix shows bubble with "Mixer cannot be found"
[02:25] <Flegma> i tried to recompike drivers, reinstall kmix..
[02:26] <Flegma> but..nothnig.. :(
[02:28] <michas> ?
[02:28] <bubs_> is there anyone there can help me with installing kubuntu problem?
[02:28] <_4strO> wich pb ?
[02:29] <bubs_> i cannot do aptitude update
[02:29] <Nuscly> Flegma: it's sounds like your sound card is not well supported, or recognized
[02:30] <Flegma> Nuscly:  but, yesterday it was ok...
[02:30] <Nuscly> Flegma: what's your sound card ?
[02:30] <Nuscly> Do you plug usb device ?
[02:30] <Flegma> no
[02:30] <Flegma> Nuscly: but...
[02:30] <_4strO> bubs_: sudo aptitude update ?
[02:30] <bubs_> i have a fresh install of kubuntu that will not update
[02:30] <Flegma> Nuscly:  sorry....i pluged usb disk...
[02:31] <_4strO> bubs have u internet ?
[02:31] <bubs_> 4astro i don't seem to get any connection
[02:31] <_4strO> that the reason why :p
[02:31] <bobdhicks> I managed to crash Adept. I went to Konsole to clean up the mess. Tried to do an apt-get upgrade there. Back to the same problem. Have license showing.  I've tried <enter>, <y> <enter>, can't do <ok>. How do I agree to the license?
[02:31] <Flegma> Nuscly: do you have any idea pls?
[02:32] <bubs_> 4astro i'm tqalkin to you via it right now
[02:32] <_4strO> bobdhicks: with the TAB key ?
[02:32] <countjocular> bobdhicks: try <tab> to get to the OK button, then <space> to accept. Not sure if I'm right there - quoting from memory.
[02:32] <Nuscly> Flegma: not usb webcam or sound card...
[02:32] <_4strO> bubs ok
[02:32] <Flegma> Nuscly:  no...
[02:33] <_4strO> cat /etc/resolv.conf ?
[02:33] <bubs_> 4 astro i have installed edgy on another pc on my network it seems ok
[02:34] <_4strO> bubs_: on what's happen when you apt-get update ?
[02:34] <_4strO> sudo apt-get update
[02:34] <bobdhicks> countjocular: Thanks. That worked.
[02:35] <carsten> tackat: mind also updating the rdf in kalzium?
[02:35] <bubs_> 4astro amongst other things i get an error 113 unable to connect
[02:35] <tackat> carsten: Hm?
[02:36] <carsten> the news.rdf
[02:36] <tackat> Ah, you mean I should add the text?
[02:36] <bubs_> 4astro the whole thing seems to time out - non connection
[02:36] <carsten> tackat: with a link to http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=3EBDFAAF85EFFA00
[02:37] <_4strO> bubs_: you cant join google page in konqueror ?
[02:37] <bubs_> 4astro i've tried reinstall and redits of sources list all to no avail
[02:37] <silence_> hello
[02:37] <countjocular> bobdhicks: np.
[02:37] <silence_> can anyone help me
[02:37] <_4strO> silence_: ask ...
[02:38] <silence_> okay im new to this thing........ and i want to get "alien" running..
[02:38] <silence_> i installed it in the adept manager thingie but i cant find it
[02:38] <_4strO> silence_: /usr/bin/alien ?
[02:38] <silence_> yeh.....
[02:39] <_4strO> silence_: tu use it : alien [option]  package
[02:39] <bubs_> 4astro i'll try google page
[02:39] <silence_> its there.... but how to i get it run.......
[02:39] <Flegma> Nuscly:  notjing?? :(
[02:39] <silence_> ooooooh
[02:39] <_4strO> silence_: alien --help
[02:40] <_4strO> bubs_: konqueror http://www.google.com
[02:40] <tatters> Anyone run KDE know how to invoke applet to change screen resolution?
[02:40] <_4strO> if u dont get the page i think your pb is in the DNS
[02:40] <bubs_> 4astro google fires up no problem
[02:41] <angasule> tatters: have you looked in the system settings?
[02:41] <_4strO> bubs_: ok ...
[02:41] <tatters> I cannot find the option anywhere in menus
[02:41] <bubs_> 4astro i seem to have a system that functions ok but just won't make contact 4 uopdate
[02:42] <_4strO> mmm bo reason
[02:42] <_4strO> no*
[02:42] <tatters> yup tried there. problem is I use TV as monitor in gnome I set resoltion to 00x800,,but when I login to KDE it sets the resolution too hig so I cannot see
[02:42] <bubs_> i have been messin a few days with this and tried reinstalls
[02:42] <_4strO> bubs_: what you have when you do : sudo apt-get update ?
[02:43] <_4strO> exactly
[02:43] <bubs_> 4astro i'll run that
[02:44] <tatters> is there any command in terminal I can type which will open up the gnome applet which changes screen resolution?
[02:45] <_4strO> tatters: there should be one :p
[02:45] <tatters> yah but what :/
[02:45] <_4strO> tatters: sorry dont have gnome
[02:45] <bubs_> 4astro i get - err  113 no route to host
[02:45] <tatters> what about in KDE?
[02:45] <Nuscly> Flegma: Try to see if it's working with a kubuntu live cd
[02:45] <Nuscly> Flegma: I don't see why it stop working
[02:46] <tackat> carsten: done
[02:46] <_4strO> bubs_: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somexhere ?
[02:46] <tatters> can de run in 600x800 or does it need a higher resolution
[02:46] <tatters> de=kde
[02:47] <bubs_> 4astro ok please suggest where
[02:47] <_4strO> bubs_: look at the topic
[02:47] <_4strO> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:47] <bubs_> 4astro forgive a noob - i see it
[02:48] <_4strO> tatters: sure he can
[02:48] <treq> hello, i can't find w32codecs and libdvdcss2 for some reason
[02:48] <treq> anyone knows why?
[02:48] <treq> i marked all the repositories
[02:48] <_4strO> treq --> medibuntu
[02:49] <Jucato> !w32codecs | treq
[02:49] <ubotu> treq: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:50] <treq> thx:)
[02:50] <treq> only w32codecs and libdvdcss2 will work right?
[02:50] <treq> no need for more packs like gstreamer etc?
[02:51] <administrador> hi
[02:51] <_4strO> treq: dont know
[02:52] <administrador> what is this?
[02:52] <administrador> some body from argentina?
[02:52] <treq> _4str0, i can use ubuntu repositories even if i got kubuntu?
[02:52] <treq> same ones?
[02:52] <administrador> what?
[02:52] <administrador> treq where are you from?
[02:52] <_4strO> treq: yep
[02:52] <Jucato> !es
[02:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:52] <gabz> treq: yeah they are exactly the same
[02:52] <treq> k thx
[02:53] <Jucato> treq: the repositories for Kubuntu and Ubuntu are one and the same
[02:53] <bubs_> 4astro - i've put sources list in pastebin
[02:53] <_4strO> yes and the install is very easy with kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop ..
[02:53] <_4strO> bubs_: url ?
[02:54] <bubs_> i'm a noob at all this - forgive my hamfistedness
[02:54] <_4strO> loool
[02:54] <_4strO> no pb :p
[02:54] <bubs_> 4astro http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15210/
[02:54] <_4strO> i'm a noob too (who try to help others noob)
[02:55] <bubs_> i was using im as area code but no joy with that either
[02:55] <ypsila> :-)
[02:55] <treq> my god that sos repo is slow :P
[02:55] <bubs_> ty noob :)
[02:56] <_4strO> bubs_: your sources.list is correct
[02:57] <stevethepirate> Hello.
[02:57] <stevethepirate> Sigh
[02:57] <bubs_> 4astro - i have two pcs networked the other's area code is im would this cause problems?
[02:57] <stevethepirate> What teh command to upgrade to feisty? I have edited source list corretly..
[02:58] <bubs_> 4astro - i had both machines as im originally but had same problem
[02:58] <_arafat> stevethepirate: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:58] <stevethepirate> ya
[02:58] <_4strO> bubs_: mmm
[02:58] <stevethepirate> *ta
[02:59] <bubs_> 4astro the gb thing was just to see if my im connection was failing for some reason
[02:59] <stevethepirate> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:59] <stevethepirate> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[02:59] <stevethepirate> Get that error
[02:59] <_4strO> stevethepirate: close adept ...
[02:59] <bubs_> my other pc is at version .11
[03:00] <_4strO> bubs_: are you firewalled ?
[03:00] <stevethepirate> ya.. it was straggling in the backgrounf.. pkill fixes all ;)
[03:00] <stevethepirate> can someone check if openarena is native to feisty please
[03:00] <bubs_> not on linux but i'm dual boot on windows yes
[03:00] <_4strO> stevethepirate: it is
[03:01] <bubs_> i thnk the router has a hardware firewall
[03:01] <_4strO> bubs_: i dont know haw apt connect the internet
[03:01] <stevethepirate> _4strO: ta
[03:01] <stevethepirate> sigh
[03:01] <_4strO> i will googlise :p
[03:02] <bubs_> ok - though i've done much searching
[03:02] <stevethepirate> feisty is irritating... you have to edit fstab..
[03:02] <stevethepirate> since almost all hdd's are now /dev/sda's
[03:02] <_4strO> bubs_: http (80)
[03:02] <_4strO> ...
[03:03] <bubs_> 4astro - how come i have an internet connection?
[03:04] <_4strO> ?
[03:04] <_4strO> bubs_: langage ?
[03:04] <_4strO> fr ?
[03:04] <stevethepirate> anyone know of like a full konsole based music player?
[03:04] <bubs__> english uk
[03:04] <_4strO> ok
[03:04] <_4strO> stevethepirate: mplayer
[03:04] <stevethepirate> yeah
[03:04] <stevethepirate> but that is like a single file player..
[03:05] <_4strO> nop
[03:05] <stevethepirate> i'm looking for like a a konsole amarok
[03:05] <_4strO> mplayer /dir
[03:05] <stevethepirate> yeah
[03:05] <stevethepirate> i need someting with like search capapbilites.
[03:05] <stevethepirate> and with playlisting
[03:05] <_4strO> stevethepirate: good lucl :p
[03:06] <_4strO> luck*
[03:06] <stevethepirate> *sigh*
[03:06] <stevethepirate> surely there is one..
[03:06] <_4strO> bubs_ : dont understand the question
[03:06] <stevethepirate> it would make life easy.. for it to run in yakuake.. then for file changing, etc.. its like -right- there.
[03:07] <bubs__> 4astro - i'll try to rephrase
[03:07] <_4strO> ok thx (im a poor french)
[03:07] <_4strO> ^^
[03:07] <eino> #ubuntu-fi-tiimit
[03:08] <bubs__> 4astro - ok je ne palre pas francais peutetre un peu mais ...
[03:08] <_4strO> lol
[03:08] <bubs__> *parle
[03:09] <bubs__> je comprends il est difficile
[03:09] <_4strO> bubs_ > your question was : how can i sure i'm connect to internet ?
[03:09] <bubs__> 4astro - no
[03:09] <_4strO> ok :p
[03:09] <Jucato> !fr
[03:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:10] <bubs__> 4astro - i cannot get update to work
[03:10] <_4strO> bubs_ because you cant reach updates servers
[03:10] <bubs__> 4astro - i get just error messages and timeouts
[03:10] <bubs__> 4astro - i think so
[03:11] <_4strO> bubs_ > sudo kate /etc/resolv.conf
[03:11] <_4strO> and put
[03:12] <_4strO> 80.10.246.1
[03:12] <Jucato> !kdesu | _4strO
[03:12] <ubotu> _4strO: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:12] <_4strO> bubs_ ok ?
[03:12] <Jucato> (also for bubs)
[03:12] <redmonkey> best solution for all computer related problems: throw that damn thing outta the windows!:)
[03:13] <bubs__> 4astro! lol i have left adept running and it has just reached 3% waiting for headers
[03:13] <bubs__> i don't believe it
[03:13] <stevethepirate> 12 minute fiesty upgrade.. record time.
[03:13] <redmonkey> err, window
[03:13] <_4strO> bubs__: lol
[03:13] <bubs__> first time its moved in days
[03:13] <bubs__> 6%
[03:13] <_4strO> what is your connection ?
[03:13] <_4strO> dial modem ?
[03:14] <bubs__> broadband
[03:14] <bubs__> hi speed lol
[03:14] <_4strO> lol
[03:15] <bubs__> lol 5% ?
[03:15] <bubs__> it was 6% a minute ago
[03:15] <_4strO> bubs__: you change the resolv.conf ?
[03:15] <bubs__> not yet
[03:15] <_4strO> ok dont change it ...
[03:15] <bubs__> 7% now
[03:16] <bubs__> 4astro ok
[03:17] <bubs__> woooo 9%
[03:18] <daypitoum> hi
[03:18] <_4strO> bubs__: if you try to dl the ubuntu livecd is it slowly too ?
[03:18] <bubs__> it was fine - but i dl on other machine
[03:20] <bubs__> two machines are similar but one is intel the other amd
[03:20] <_4strO> bubs__: not a pb of box performance
[03:20] <_4strO> dont think so
[03:22] <bubs__> 4astro - it is strange - it seems reluctant to connect
[03:22] <bubs__> 4astro but its reached 16% now
[03:26] <bubs__> 4astro - how can a grown man get excitement from such a thing?
[03:26] <_4strO> lol
[03:26] <stefan__> hey hello i have a question about root previlages
[03:26] <stefan__> can someone help me
[03:26] <bubs__> 4astro - its not moved from 16% but i'll just leave it - maybe it will wake up again later
[03:26] <Jucato> !someone | stefan__
[03:26] <ubotu> stefan__: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:26] <_4strO> bubs__: ...
[03:26] <stefan__> can someone help me get root previlages in y normal acount so i can use virtualbox?
[03:26] <bubs__> 4astro - looks like it timed out i'm back to main screen again
[03:26] <Jucato> !sudo | stefan__
[03:26] <ubotu> stefan__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:27] <stefan__> like sudo virtualbox?
[03:27] <stefan__> command not fount
[03:28] <bubs__> 4astro it looks like it connects but it is too slow and it times out
[03:28] <_4strO> yes bubs__
[03:28] <bobdhicks> I trying to install a program through Konsole. "python setup.py install". The following is the output "
[03:28] <bobdhicks> running install
[03:28] <bobdhicks> running build
[03:28] <bobdhicks> running build_py
[03:28] <bobdhicks> creating build
[03:28] <bobdhicks> error: could not create 'build': Permission denied
[03:28] <bubs__> 4astro - i've set it going again
[03:28] <Jucato> !paste | bobdhicks
[03:28] <ubotu> bobdhicks: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:28] <ewgeni90> hi
[03:28] <_4strO> bobdhicks: sudo python setup.py install
[03:29] <Jucato> stefan__: I guess you need to install virtualbox first
[03:29] <stefan__> i hav done that
[03:29] <stevethepirate> !xfce
[03:29] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[03:29] <ewgeni90> do is chat with all countries?
[03:29] <stevethepirate> !ntfs-3g
[03:29] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:30] <_4strO> bubs__: i dont know what to say, but i think the pb is on your internet connection
[03:30] <bubs__> 4astro it doesn't resume from where it stopped - its started at 0% again
[03:30] <_4strO> yes normal bubs__
[03:30] <stevethepirate> whats a god port scanner?
[03:30] <stevethepirate> *good
[03:31] <_4strO> bubs__: try to do : sudo apt-get update othewhise using adept
[03:31] <bubs__> 4astro - could be - but everything else works fine
[03:31] <ewgeni90_> HELLO
[03:31] <stevethepirate> !port scanner
[03:31] <stevethepirate> ! port scanner
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about port scanner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <stefan__> !ntfs-3g
[03:31] <_4strO> stevethepirate: nmap
[03:31] <_4strO> !nmpa | stevethepirate
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nmpa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <_4strO> !nmap | stevethepirate
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nmap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <stevethepirate> lol
[03:32] <bubs__> 4astro i was getting partial success on adept manager
[03:32] <_4strO> bubs__: but you see anything what he do
[03:32] <Iwonder|too> knmap
[03:32] <bubs__> 4astro - nothing now though
[03:33] <bubs__> 4astro - just message - waiting for headers
[03:33] <bubs__> 4astro it got to 16% then stopped
[03:34] <_4strO> bubs__: perhaps the GB servers are dead :p
[03:34] <bubs__> 4astro - now i have only0%
[03:34] <Iwonder|too> bubs__: try ping www.google.com,you may have an unusually slow network atm
[03:34] <bubs__> but i tried im too
[03:34] <eagles0513875> !feisty
[03:34] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:34] <bubs__> 4 astro - im = isle of man
[03:35] <_4strO> lol
[03:35] <bubs__> wonder - mi have been unable to connect to update server on this machine for days the other machine connects fine
[03:36] <Iwonder|too> it may be a firewall,network,route,dns error on that machine,, ping a known host for time comparisons
[03:37] <bubs__> wonder - i'm a noob - i understand a little of what you are saying but i don't know how
[03:38] <Iwonder|too> open console type ping www.google.com
[03:38] <bubs__> wonder - thanks for the advice though
[03:38] <Iwonder|too> hit ctrl+c to stop the ping
[03:38] <bubs__> wonder - i'll try that
[03:40] <Iwonder|too> you should get times like 43.4 ms or something
[03:40] <bubs__> wonder - the longest was-
[03:40] <bubs__> wonder - 64 bytes from www.google.com (209.85.129.147): icmp_seq=4 ttl=240 time=51.6 ms
[03:40] <Iwonder|too> k bubs__thats good
[03:40] <Iwonder|too> your network is fine
[03:40] <Iwonder|too> what are you trying to install?
[03:41] <bubs__> well i think its just this connecting to ubuntu servers thats giving me problems
[03:41] <bubs__> wonder adept manager is now showing 10% headers doen
[03:41] <Iwonder|too> the ubuntu server may be having problems,try installing with apt-get install
[03:41] <bubs__> *down
[03:42] <bubs__> wonder - i'm trying to get updates on a fresh install
[03:42] <Iwonder|too> or better yet close adept ,open console type apt-get update
[03:42] <_4strO> Iwonder|too: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15210/
[03:42] <Iwonder|too> then you can read what its doing
[03:43] <_4strO> something wrong 4 u ?
[03:43] <bubs__> wonder - i been trying all this for a few days now
[03:44] <Iwonder|too> i see nothing wrong
[03:44] <bubs__> wonder - i now have 12% headers down - last time adept manager quit at 16%
[03:44] <Iwonder|too> have you tried getting a fresh source list from http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[03:45] <bubs__> nope - but bandwidth restrictions discourage me from it
[03:46] <Iwonder|too> its just a list bubs__
[03:46] <Iwonder|too> its an online list maker of current accepted sources
[03:46] <bubs__> wonder - sorry i misunderstood - i thought you meant redownload the install cd
[03:46] <str> Hi all
[03:46] <str> In aptitude, how can I know wich repository does a package come form?
[03:47] <bubs__> wonder - thanks - i'm trying that
[04:05] <bobdhicks> With help here, I've successfully installed a program. Now I'm trying to configure it. Please see:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15218/
[04:09] <bubs__> wonder - are you still around?
[04:14] <bubs__> wonder i swapped my source file and am still getting err - connect (113 No route to host)
[04:14] <bubs__> wonder - connection times out
[04:14] <Taladan> having an odd issue.  I had to replace my mobo and proc a week or so ago, and now whenever I try to run anything that's OpenGL, it logs me out of my current session of Kubuntu.  Currently running Edgy on an Nvidia Geforce (2 I think??).  The only thing that changed was the Motherboard and Processor, not the video card.
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have evidently, inadvertantly, setup Kontackt to empty my trash can every time I shut the program.  Where in blazes do I need to go to change this.
[04:14] <aurelianito> hi
[04:14] <aurelianito> I'm using kubuntu since ubuntu dapper
[04:14] <aurelianito> and im
[04:14] <aurelianito>  having a problem with a USB cable modem
[04:14] <compilerwriter> aurelianito I am not shocked about that at all.
[04:14] <aurelianito> the modem is detected when I run with the dapper kernel (2.6.15)
[04:14] <compilerwriter> I have had absolutely no success with getting any usb modem connection to work with Ubuntu or Kubuntu or DSL.
[04:14] <aurelianito> but is not detected with the new kernel (2.6.17, I think)
[04:15] <aurelianito> sorry, DSL
[04:15] <aurelianito> The modem is a Huawei SmartAX MT882
[04:15] <compilerwriter> aurelianito I was referring to Damn Small Linux not the dsl internet.
[04:16] <aurelianito> It has dual connection (USB and Ethernet) but my PC has only USB connections
[04:16] <aurelianito> ok
[04:16] <compilerwriter> aurelianito the easiest solution I have for you is to spring the $10 for an ethernet card.  The rest would be way over my head.
[04:17] <aurelianito> I've tried to recompile the 2.6.17 kernel (googled for instructions) but, while it compiled, it hanged up my  PC when I've tried to boot it
[04:18] <compilerwriter> aurelianito You just jumped into Marianis Trench without a wet suit as far as I am concerned.  I have never tried to compile a kernal.
[04:18] <aurelianito> ok
[04:19] <compilerwriter> aurelianito I am sorry I am such poor help, but like I said the easiest way to do it would be to get yourself that nic card.
[04:19] <aurelianito> does anybody know the changes made to the compilation options in the kernel between dapper and edgy-eft
[04:19] <aurelianito> ?
[04:21] <Taladan> another question that's more kubuntu oriented - in System Settings, when I try to go into the 'User MAnagement' section under computer administration, It tells me 'The Module User Management could not be loaded.'....it's done this since I installed Kubuntu, so I don't think the bit about orphaned control modules or third party modules is exactly...spot on.
[04:23] <jtt> aurelianito: as in changes to  gcc?
[04:23] <Jucato> Taladan: try reinstalling the package named "kde-guidance"
[04:23] <Taladan> Jucato - will do, thank you
[04:24] <aurelianito> as in changes to the compilation options
[04:24] <aurelianito> are there modules not compiled in the new version?
[04:24] <Jucato> aurelianito: I think there's an #ubuntu-kernel channel...
[04:25] <aurelianito> on which server?
[04:25] <Jucato> freenode
[04:25] <aurelianito> thanks
[04:25] <Jucato> (all ubuntu channels are on freenode)
[04:25] <jtt> aurelianito: look at the change log for the various ubuntu kernels
[04:25] <Jucato> or rather, irc.ubuntu.com
[04:25] <Jucato> which just redirects to freenode.org
[04:26] <[GuS] > Hello!
[04:27] <Taladan> Jucato: No soap, gives me the same error
[04:27] <jack_> can someone have a look at that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15220/?
[04:27] <Jucato> Taladan: ah.. hm... no ideas :(
[04:27] <jack_> trying to install that driver thats what i get, whats wrong
[04:28] <milaks> Hi. I've installed ubuntu Edgy Eft for amd64, and then I've modified /etc/apt/sources.list acordingly to guidlines at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy Now, do I need to modify those addresses somehow to install amd64 version packages or will it do that automatically?
[04:28] <Taladan> jack_: Sounds like gutenprint doesn't work well with cups on the same system?
[04:29] <jack_> Taladan: i tried to delete cups
[04:30] <jack_>        taladan         sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[04:30] <jack_> Taladan: but obviously it didnt seem to work?
[04:31] <Taladan> obviously...are you wanting to remove cups entirely from your system?
[04:31] <milaks> Anyone? Thank you.
[04:32] <Taladan> milaks - that depends on the repos you're pointing to
[04:32] <jack_> taladan ..i dont mind, but in cups my printer doesnt show up, so i need to get the gutenberg thing;thats most important
[04:32] <Taladan> if it ends in something like http://something/foo/something.i386, then no.
[04:32] <Taladan> jack_: What printer do you have?
[04:33] <jack_> epson dx5050
[04:33] <milaks> Taladan: I've added these proposed repositories http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Installing_Additional_Software and now i would like to now, is that ok in order to use them to install packages optimized for my platform?
[04:33] <milaks> Taladan: I guess that there would be some kind of a note on the site if that is the case
[04:33] <jack_> Taladan: epson dx5050
[04:33] <Taladan> jack_: generally with the epsons and the hp's as long as you pick the closest model of the printers it generally prints....
[04:35] <jack_> Taladan: as its an allinone, i anted that copy functionanscan to work too, i found this how to, soomeone said it worked for this printer
[04:35] <jack_> jack@fluffy:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i guten*.deb
[04:35] <gekkoo> does anybody know how i can bring the kicker panel into the front with a _command_ (default setting of the panel is hidden)?
[04:35] <jack_> Password:
[04:35] <jack_> Selecting previously deselected package gutenprint.
[04:35] <jack_> (Reading database ... 214943 files and directories currently installed.)
[04:35] <jack_> Unpacking gutenprint (from gutenprint_5.0.0-1_i386.deb) ...
[04:35] <jack_> dpkg: error processing gutenprint_5.0.0-1_i386.deb (--install):
[04:35] <jack_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/cups-calibrate', which is also in package cupsys-driver-gutenprint
[04:35] <jack_> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:35] <jack_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:35] <jack_>  gutenprint_5.0.0-1_i386.deb
[04:35] <jack_> oh so sorry
[04:35] <jack_> sorry
[04:35] <Taladan> milaks: Chances are it should autodect your architecture...should be safe
[04:36] <milaks> Aha, I guess I can continue using those repos. I've looked into them and there are three versions of every package: sparc, amd64, i386 and powerpc.
[04:36] <milaks> Thanks.
[04:36] <jack_> Taladan: i meant this how to http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Installing_more_printer_support_with_guten-print_5.0.0_final_package%21
[04:36] <Jucato> !paste | jack_
[04:36] <ubotu> jack_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:36] <jack_> Taladan: what do you think?
[04:37] <Taladan> jack_: I think that I would use cups for the print function and sane for the copy/scan functions
[04:37] <livenicely> no soound when i play .dat or vcd in keffiene
[04:37] <Taladan> but then...
[04:37] <Taladan> I don't know anything about gutenprint...cups pretty much handles everything I need it to do
[04:38] <jack_> Taladan: i wanted to avoid sane at all cost, cos with an canon and epson hardware i had horrrible trouble there
[04:38] <jack_> Jucato: sorry that was by accident, i used the pastebin above
[04:38] <jack_> taladan: so i shouldnt delete the cups?
[04:39] <Taladan> Well...you might get the GIMP set up to pull from the scanner, but I don't know, as I don't really use scanners all that much.  My wife's got one on her desktop and we use sane for that one.
[04:39] <Taladan> jack_:I wouldn't, no, but if you decide to, you're probably going to want to do something a little more drastic like apt-get remove cups....but I don't know if or how you'll break your system doing that.
[04:40] <jack_> Taladan: ok i rather not do that, thing is that printer came out recently, but i hope cups supports it then in feisty soon
[04:41] <Arwen> every screenshot of a *nix desktop seems to have a system stats monitor for a side panel... and I can't figure out what package that is?
[04:41] <Iwonder|too> printer problems are mostly easily resolved with a ethernet capable print server
[04:42] <Taladan> jack_: Might have to futz with the current epsons in cups and see what you can get it to do...but as far as I know, cups doesn't support scanners...it's called Common Unix Printing System for a reason ;)
[04:42] <Taladan> Arwen - probably something like gkrellm
[04:42] <Arwen> Taladan, ah, thanks, that's the one I'm thinking of
[04:43] <Iwonder|too> isn't sane for scanners?
[04:43] <wilman> i have a very simple problem but i don't know how to solve this. i use a plugin for amarok to duplicate the sound. it's called pcm.duplicate. the problem is that everytime i set the plugin it resets after startup
[04:43] <Taladan> Iwonder|too: yeah, but jack_ says he's had problems with it
[04:44] <Iwonder|too> hmmm,i haven't tried using my scanner,loooks like i got a new hobby,lol
[04:44] <Arwen> I'm a dumbass... I thought my sound card died when it turns out my volume was at 0...
[04:44] <Taladan> wilman: that might be better answered by the folks in #amarok...I don't personally know much about how the plugins system works with it
[04:45] <Taladan> Arwen: hehs
[04:45] <Taladan> I only laugh because, well, I've done similar
[04:45] <Taladan> Man, I really wish I could get this opengl issue cleared up
[04:45] <bobdhicks> With help here I installed a program but I'm having trouble configuring it Please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15218/
[04:46] <wilman> Taladan: this irc is totaly empty:)
[04:47] <Jucato> #amarok ?
[04:47] <Jucato> (make sure you entered the right channel)
[04:47] <Taladan> wilman: hm?  #amarok has like 50 people in there
[04:47] <pollyo> Hello
[04:47] <wilman> Taladan: yea sorry but you sent a link to amarok...
[04:48] <pollyo> Anyone know how to correct the following error when attempting to run beryl
[04:48] <Jucato> Taladan: he probalby just clicked on what you typed
[04:48] <wilman> the first time;)
[04:48] <Iwonder|too> look in the help on amarok,it should have a contact for support
[04:48] <pollyo> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:48] <pollyo> Root visual is not a GL visual
[04:48] <jack_> Taladan: printing works fine using the cups with epson dx4800 instead of dx5050, testing the scanning later, thanks anyway from protecting me to break my system, lol
[04:48] <Taladan> jack_: Hope you get it working ;)
[04:49] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: is direct rendring working?
[04:49] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: How do you check?
[04:49] <Iwonder|too> glxinfo|grep rendering usually
[04:49] <Taladan> pollyo: when I tried beryl I got the same error...I can't remember what or where the fix is (but I think it's on the beryl wiki)
[04:50] <pollyo> Iwonder|too: I get the same message when I put that in.
[04:50] <Iwonder|too> pollyo: also read your /var/log/Xorg.o.log
[04:50] <Iwonder|too> you are missing opengl
[04:51] <Iwonder|too> thats a .0(zero)
[04:51] <Taladan> assuming pollyo is running an nvidia card, needs the nvidia-glx module
[04:51] <Iwonder|too> true,
[04:51] <Iwonder|too> should have asked
[04:51] <pollyo> Taladan: Is that a software module?
[04:52] <ubuntu> Hello.
[04:52] <Taladan> pollyo: It's a kernel module
[04:52] <Iwonder|too> and i think ati is fglx
[04:52] <ubuntu> Two days using it and I b0rked something.  :P
[04:52] <Taladan> pollyo apt-cache search nvidia-glx
[04:53] <Taladan> ubuntu: that does happen...getting wet and wild with sudo is sometimes dangerous fun :p
[04:53] <ubuntu> No kidding
[04:53] <ubuntu> Actually, it's far less exciting than that
[04:53] <Taladan> What's up?
[04:53] <ubuntu> I have an ATI card
[04:54] <Iwonder|too> which ati card?
[04:54] <Arwen> ick, ATI :-\
[04:54] <Taladan> Problemo numero uno
[04:54] <ubuntu> Ati radeon 9800SE
[04:54] <Arwen> ick, ATI SE
[04:54] <ubuntu> Actually, everything was pretty functional with the default drivers, but 3d was slow as mud and I'm trying to get blender to work
[04:54] <Taladan> Anyways, continue
[04:54] <Iwonder|too> mine works great using radeon
[04:55] <ubuntu> Anyway, I was messing around, and I picked--being the second coming of einstein that I am--the 'proprietary' drivers. Just to experiment, you know?
[04:55] <Iwonder|too> gad to use xorg driver though never figured out ati ones
[04:55] <ubuntu> Boom, I restart and I get a big, fat 'BAD REFRESH RATE' error popping up on my monitor
[04:55] <Taladan> experimentation happens
[04:55] <ubuntu> Anyway, so I WANT to go back to the first driver, any way I can do that short of reinstalling?
[04:56] <Taladan> ubuntu: bet you don't know what the refresh rate your monitor is supposed to be set at, do you?
[04:56] <ubuntu> One sec
[04:56] <Iwonder|too> isn't there a adept package for xorg-server configure?
[04:57] <Taladan> yeah, but I think he has to have X running for that to work
[04:57] <Iwonder|too> in the future ubuntu back up your Xorg.conf when experimenting
[04:57] <tux> hi
[04:57] <Taladan> he can hand edit the Xorg.conf at the command line if he knows enough vi to get by.
[04:57] <Iwonder|too> i think it runs Xorg-configure
[04:58] <ubuntu> I have a backup
[04:58] <ubuntu> I just don't know how to get it unpacked
[04:58] <ubuntu> Don't know enough commands
[04:58] <tux> is it a good idea to upgrade to feisty already?
[04:58] <Taladan> how is it packed ubuntu
[04:58] <Iwonder|too> ubuntu: use mv <backup> /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[04:58] <ubuntu> ...
[04:58] <Iwonder|too> then restart X
[04:58] <ubuntu> Sw007
[04:58] <Taladan> Iwonder|too: if he's got it tar'd up then that'll munge it
[04:59] <ubuntu> I'll give that a try, then. :P
[04:59] <tux> if you have a ati video card: aticonfig --initial
[04:59] <ubuntu> No, no tar
[04:59] <Iwonder|too> oh very true
[04:59] <ubuntu> I just renamed it conf_back
[04:59] <Iwonder|too> untar it then mv it
[04:59] <ubuntu> Thanks
[04:59] <ubuntu> Mv, is it?
[04:59] <Iwonder|too> mv = move/rename
[04:59] <ubuntu> Cool. Right on.
[04:59] <tux> is feisty stable enough for a upgrade?
[04:59] <pollyo> I am showing nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:00] <ubuntu> brb, gonna give it a shot. :P
[05:00] <Taladan> tux - depends, what are you using it for?
[05:00] <tux> desktop usage Taladan
[05:00] <Iwonder|too> tux i;m on feisty
[05:00] <Taladan> tux - then probably.
[05:00] <tux> the release candidate
[05:00] <tux> ?
[05:00] <pollyo> Can the nvidia-glx-legacy run beryl?
[05:00] <Iwonder|too> well i changed my repos and did dist-upgrade
[05:00] <Taladan> pollyo - should be able to, if you've got an older nvidia card
[05:01] <jtt> tux: been using feisty for 8 weeks
[05:01] <Taladan> chances are it's going to be slow as hell though
[05:01] <jtt> tux: no problems
[05:01] <tux> jtt tried it a couple of weeks ago, but it wasnt really good
[05:01] <pollyo> Taladan: I feel like it is an xorg.conf problem.
[05:01] <jtt> tux: specifics about the problems
[05:01] <pollyo> Taladan: I do not know enough about it to sort it out.
[05:01] <tux> running slow, network problems
[05:02] <Taladan> Pollyo - I'm pretty sure I found the solution on the beryl wiki...just put in your error message in the search box
[05:02] <pollyo> Taladan: I was reading it could also be the way something is compiled.
[05:02] <jtt> tux: what hardware
[05:02] <pollyo> Taladan:  Ok. Thanks.
[05:03] <tux> Acer Aspire 5670, Core duo T2250 (1,73ghz), 2gb RAM, ATI X1600 video card 512mb
[05:04] <jtt> tux:  lspci -vv  what ethernet hardware
[05:04] <tux> jtt: Intell Pro Wireless
[05:05] <tux> jtt: you got no problems with feisty ATM?
[05:05] <jtt> tux: interseting that the whole bundle would appear slow i have had little problem on 3 different hw platforms
[05:06] <tux> ok
[05:06] <jtt> tux: no slowdown on any of the three  keep plugging
[05:06] <tux> jtt: if i use dist-upgrade, i'd still have my drivers installed so it should work
[05:07] <tux> ok, im gonna give feisty another try
[05:07] <jtt> tux: missed your quiestion about ATM  what is ATM
[05:07] <zombiedog> ...
[05:07] <zombiedog> AND LO, THE NEWBIE DID RETURN
[05:07] <tux> At The Moment :p
[05:07] <zombiedog> And he was filled with success, and there was great rejoicing.
[05:07] <zombiedog> Thanks for the 'mv' tip.
[05:07] <jtt> tux: atm ok    get the  daily  build  if you get anything as  4/12/07  is very close to being the RC
[05:08] <zombiedog> It worked, and I'm back in
[05:08] <tux> jtt: i think apt-get is already updating to feisty
[05:09] <zombiedog> I was on the right track, actually, only instead of 'mv' I was using 'rename'
[05:09] <tux> jtt: it suggest installing the same packages as dist-upgrade
[05:09] <zombiedog> And couldn't figure out why it was babbling about perl
[05:09] <jtt> tux: ok right on!!
[05:09] <tux> jtt: when are they gonna start shipping feisty @ launchpad
[05:10] <jtt> tux: the 19th is the final release date that should hold
[05:10] <Jucato> tux: you can pre-order now
[05:11] <tux> i think feisty is installed
[05:12] <tux> no packages to install at dist-upgrade
[05:12] <zombiedog> Oh, taladon. Refresh rate is 50/60
[05:12] <zombiedog> :P
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> tux: you can 'cat /etc/issue' to see what version you are running.
[05:12] <zombiedog> *Taladan
[05:12] <zombiedog> Any reason you wanted to know, or were you just trying to make me look more stupid than I already am. XD
[05:13] <tux> jtt: 6.10, but i think i must reboot first :p
[05:13] <Taladan> no, was going to tell you where to go to put in the right refresh rate ;)
[05:13] <zombiedog> Oh.
[05:13] <Taladan> Remember...in linux everything is a file
[05:13] <zombiedog> So about the making me look stupid thing, I can probably take care of that, right after I get my foot out of my mouth
[05:14] <zombiedog> What place would this be, then?
[05:14] <Taladan> it should be in /etc/Xorg.conf
[05:14] <Iwonder|too> etc/X11/Xorg.conf?
[05:14] <belion> algun chileno???
[05:14] <zombiedog> I thought it was x11--Oh, yeah
[05:14] <Jucato> !es
[05:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:14] <Taladan> if you type 'cat /etc/X11/Xorg.conf' at the command line it should come up so you could see it
[05:15] <Taladan> yeah, sorry, left out the X11 ;)
[05:15] <belion> algun espaol o chileno ke me ayude porfas
[05:15] <zombiedog> Oh, sweet. Gotta remember 'cat' too
[05:16] <belion> hello
[05:16] <zombiedog> Still though, how would I go about editing this from the command line
[05:16] <zombiedog> Oh wait
[05:16] <zombiedog> 'vi'
[05:16] <Iwonder|too> to bad ubuntu doesn't have that knoppix app for detecting mode lines,its handy
[05:16] <Iwonder|too> vi,pico or nano
[05:17] <zombiedog> ...Yeah, man. I'm out of my depth with this OS.
[05:17] <zombiedog> I mean, I've been using C:/windows/system32/ all my life
[05:17] <Iwonder|too> i can relate
[05:17] <tux> 3 weeks since the last (succesfull) windows boot
[05:18] <olimpico> How can I install all the packages that I have installed in one computer automatically to another which I installed from scratch?
[05:18] <zombiedog> I still have windows installed, as sort of a comfort blanket
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> man this global warming is killing me - I wake up to a foot of new snow this morning. argh. hehe
[05:18] <olimpico> Is there a file which I can copy and then upgrade the system and all my configuration will be installed automatically?
[05:18] <tux> zombiedog: i had planned the same, but now windows doesnt work so i dont bother fixing it
[05:18] <Iwonder|too> i still have windows installed cause wine works well,lol
[05:18] <Taladan> zombiedog: a quick survival list of command line commands:
[05:18] <zombiedog> Fortunately, dual-booting has been kind to me
[05:19] <Taladan> ls - lists files
[05:19] <zombiedog> 'dir' works too, I noticed.
[05:19] <Taladan> cp - copies file from location to location
[05:19] <tux> zombiedog: i like global warming, nice weather outside
[05:19] <Taladan> yes, type 'alias' and hit enter
[05:20] <beta> !printer
[05:20] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:20] <Taladan> alias is another good command...I always 'alias vi=vim'
[05:21] <zombiedog> Gotta remember this stuff
[05:21] <Taladan> less - like cat but lets you scroll up and down through files as well as search with /
[05:21] <olimpico> How can I install all the packages that I have installed in one computer automatically to another which I installed from scratch?
[05:21] <olimpico> Is there a file which I can copy and then upgrade the system and all my configuration will be installed automatically?
[05:21] <Taladan> there is a more command as well, but less is more
[05:21] <zombiedog> 'more' is awesome.
[05:21] <Taladan> yes, but 'less' is moreso ;)
[05:22] <Jucato> "less" is more than "more"...
[05:22] <Taladan> man - manual pages.  Ferex - man less
[05:22] <zombiedog> ...Oh. I thought you were quoting an old saying
[05:22] <zombiedog> 'less' is actually a command
[05:22] <zombiedog> I got 'man' I was hunting around in there
[05:23] <Jucato> yes. the "joke" is that "less (command) is more (than the more command)"
[05:23] <Taladan> man -k <something> will search the man pages for the <something> (this is also known as apropos
[05:23] <zombiedog> Hey, thanks for helping me, by the way.
[05:23] <Taladan> everyone needs to be able to at least do a little at the command line
[05:24] <zombiedog> I was reasonably good at this back in windows. Hopefully I'll catch on fast
[05:24] <Taladan> if you need to know what's currently mounted and how much free space on each partition, you can type df -h
[05:24] <Taladan> (the -h is human readable)
[05:24] <Taladan> which...they really need a man -h for some commands ;)
[05:25] <zombiedog> ...Heh. -h works wonders
[05:25] <Iwonder|too> cool didn;t know about -h
[05:25] <Taladan> yeah
[05:25] <Iwonder|too> saves a lot of math
[05:25] <zombiedog> ...Hey, so apparently there's a backup command that works better than copying a file and renaming it.
[05:25] <Taladan> uh huh
[05:25] <Taladan> zombiedog: if you want to archive something for a backup (and compressed) then use tar.
[05:26] <Taladan> ferex:
[05:26] <Taladan> tar -czf foo.tar.gz foo.txt
[05:27] <Taladan> that would C(reate) a Z(ipped *gz) F(ile) named foo.tar.gz out of the file foo.txt
[05:27] <intelikey> why add tar for a single file in the same dir
[05:27] <Iwonder|too> gotta love tar's -C <location > property
[05:27] <intelikey> gzip file.txt
[05:28] <Taladan> intelikey: because you can add more files later to the same archive
[05:28] <Taladan> and this is just an example
[05:28] <intelikey> k
[05:28] <blekos> hi, when i installed dapper drake (and everything i wanted) i had about 10gb free, now i have 9.7, if we go on like that we will need much more space. I am running deborphan and autoclean
[05:28] <Iwonder|too> and windows supports tar if you ever need to store stuff for a complete rebuild
[05:28] <Taladan> to extract a tar archive it's tar -xzf <archive>.tar.gz
[05:28] <zombiedog> aaannnd tar xvf foo.tar?
[05:29] <zombiedog> Oh, fair enough
[05:29] <intelikey> tar file.tgz
[05:29] <Taladan> xvf is extract visual file
[05:29] <Iwonder|too> extreact verbose
[05:29] <jhutchins> blekos: How big is the partition?
[05:29] <Taladan> visual means that it cats the list to stdout (your monitor) as it untars it
[05:29] <Taladan> yeah, or verbose
[05:29] <zombiedog> Yeah
[05:29] <Iwonder|too> yeah what Taladan said
[05:29] <blekos> 14gb
[05:30] <jhutchins> One could always man tar and see what they call the options there.
[05:30] <blekos> and using 4.4gb only for root
[05:30] <Taladan> and god help you if you ever have to man tar :P
[05:30] <zombiedog> I just did
[05:30] <zombiedog> That is one mother
[05:30] <blekos> the home partition is 15.5gb and using 2.5
[05:30] <Taladan> yeah
[05:30] <jhutchins> blekos: So you went from 4 to 4.3g for your installation.
[05:30] <Iwonder|too> blekos: keep an eye on /var and /tmp linux loves to leave stuff in there
[05:30] <Taladan> they didn't know when to stop coding
[05:30] <zombiedog> No kidding
[05:30] <blekos> yes
[05:30] <zombiedog> Anyway, here we go
[05:30] <jhutchins> I had a Mandrake 9.1 installation that was under 3G.
[05:30] <Taladan> btw - tar means 'Tape ARchive' if you ever wonder
[05:30] <blekos> but remember we dont have the final release yet, and kd4 is about to come
[05:31] <Taladan> don't remember if that's in the man page
[05:31] <jhutchins> It would also run in 96M of RAM.
[05:31] <blekos> (end of 2007?)
[05:31] <intelikey> blekos my root partition says    /dev/hda              1.2G  859M  345M  72% /
[05:31] <Iwonder|too> i ran low on space and realised kde had all my emails from 2 years in a cache in /tmp
[05:31] <Taladan> blekos - if you need to know where all of your space is, you can du the partition
[05:31] <jhutchins> intelikey: What other partitions do you have?
[05:32] <blekos> du?
[05:32] <Taladan> something like du -h /|grep GB
[05:32] <intelikey> jhutchins actually that's not a partition.  i don't use them.
[05:32] <Taladan> du is for disk usage
[05:32] <zombiedog> Oh, sw00t. It works
[05:32] <Taladan> that command will show any files that are over a gigabyte in size
[05:32] <zombiedog> I wish I'd known about vim before mv. I have to set up my tablet again
[05:33] <Iwonder|too> hey,is there a way to make ls -s 'human readable'?
[05:33] <jhutchins> intelikey: So you're saying your full install is les than a Gig?
[05:33] <Taladan> if you want the whole output I'd redirect it to a file so you don't blow out your buffer
[05:33] <Taladan> Iwonder|too: ls -sh
[05:33] <intelikey> jhutchins i said partition to keep down confusion, and the redundant questions that follow  "no partition."
[05:33] <intelikey> jhutchins yes
[05:33] <Iwonder|too> cool,thx bunches
[05:34] <zombiedog> ...Hey, just for future reference, can someone tell me what the Linux equivalent of c:/program files is?
[05:34] <zombiedog> Just so I'm not hunting through a bunch of folders with obscurely abbreviated names? :P
[05:34] <Taladan> zombiedog: there is no exact equivalent
[05:34] <patrialt> When i attempt to open my application:/ in konqueror the browser freezes, can someone help me find a solution?
[05:34] <Iwonder|too> zombiedog:  try /bin
[05:35] <Iwonder|too> or /sbin
[05:35] <xtavaresx> do debian sarge debs work with kubuntu?
[05:35] <intelikey> zombiedog there isn't one.   but the closest aproxamation would be /usr
[05:35] <Iwonder|too> if you are hunting the executables
[05:35] <Taladan> if you're looking for executables it'll be either in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin or if you have a personal ~/bin directory
[05:35] <mikey2> what command do I use to turn on kdewallet?
[05:35] <jhutchins> !fhs | zombiedog
[05:35] <Taladan> those are binary executables...for library files its going to be in /lib, /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib
[05:35] <xtavaresx> mikey2 go to kcontrol
[05:36] <intelikey> zombiedog executables are mostly added to /usr/bin/  when you install new packages
[05:36] <mikey2> how?
[05:36] <ubotu> zombiedog: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[05:36] <mikey2> sorry, newbie here
[05:36] <patrialt> how can i stop Konqueror from freezing when i enter applications:/?
[05:36] <xtavaresx> mikey k menu -> run command -> type in kcontrol
[05:36] <piotrek> hi there everyone
[05:36] <mikey2> cool, ty
[05:36] <liam> hi everyone
[05:36] <zombiedog> Thanks everyone for humouring me.
[05:37] <zombiedog> I'll leave you be for a while. /:P
[05:37] <jhutchins> zombiedog: It's a reasonable question.
[05:37] <Taladan> zombiedog: not a problem ;)  Like to help new people learn linux
[05:37] <piotrek> could anyone help me ??
[05:37] <jhutchins> zombiedog: You might also fine this useful:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[05:37] <jhutchins> find.
[05:37] <Taladan> piotrek: not until you let us know what your problem is ;)
[05:37] <liam> piotrek, whats the problem?
[05:37] <piotrek> ok ok
[05:37] <zombiedog> Also, I found it. It's usr/lib
[05:37] <zombiedog> Blender and gaim and firefox and junk are all in there
[05:38] <piotrek> i have a Secondary SLAVE 160GB disk
[05:38] <piotrek> can't mount it
[05:38] <Taladan> what filesystem is on it
[05:38] <piotrek> tried everything
[05:38] <jhutchins> zombiedog: For any program, you can use "which <program>" to find it's location.  There's also "locate" which will find files, and find, which is more advanced.
[05:38] <piotrek> NTFS
[05:38] <piotrek> the problem is
[05:38] <zombiedog> Oh, wow.
[05:38] <zombiedog> Sweet
[05:38] <piotrek> it can't see this
[05:38] <Taladan> and is it a sata or an ide drive?
[05:38] <piotrek> IDE
[05:38] <xtavaresx> can some one tell me if i am likely to have a problem if i add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main to my sources list?
[05:39] <intelikey> !ntfs | piotrek
[05:39] <ubotu> piotrek: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:39] <jhutchins> zombiedog: If you're not sure of the program's name, you can type the beginning two letters and hit tab (maybe twice) for auto-completion.
[05:39] <Jucato> jhutchins: there's also "type" which I find to be a bit more useful than "which" :)
[05:39] <Taladan> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mount/<some directory you made>
[05:39] <intelikey> been there piotrek ^ ?
[05:39] <zombiedog> ...You know what? The impression is beginning to steal over me that Linux is easier to use than windows
[05:39] <jhutchins> Jucato: type is an alias for find.
[05:39] <piotrek> the weird thing is
[05:39] <piotrek> it sees two partitions when there's only one?/
[05:39] <jhutchins> Jucato: I mean an alias for "which".
[05:39] <zombiedog> I mean, a lot of things that bug me about windows in general I find have been solved.
[05:40] <Jucato> jhutchins: type is a built-in. which is in /usr/bin/which
[05:40] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  type type
[05:40] <intelikey> type is a shell builtin
[05:40] <jhutchins> zombiedog: Yeah, ain't that great?
[05:40] <Taladan> zombiedog: I wouldn't say 'easier' or 'harder'...but you do have a lot more fine-grained control in linux especially at the commandline
[05:40] <Jucato> thanks intelikey :)
[05:40] <zombiedog> No, I might almost say easier.
[05:40] <Taladan> wait until you get into bash scripting
[05:40] <zombiedog> Like even print screen in kubuntu
[05:40] <liam> bash scripting is fun! i do it at uni
[05:40] <zombiedog> It's like miniature SnagIt
[05:41] <Taladan> you think Batch files are awesome?  with enough patience and the right bash script you can shift the Earth in its orbit.
[05:41] <piotrek> hmmm
[05:41] <piotrek> I'll be back:)
[05:41] <liam> lo
[05:41] <liam> **lol
[05:41] <xtavaresx> hello can anyone enlighten me on the compatibilty between debain and ubuntu sources,
[05:41] <patrialt> k, lets try this again, when i go Konqueror->Applications, konqueror freezes, can anybody help me get the prob fixed?
[05:41] <intelikey> heh Jucato actually i have a script by the same name... tty2 [greg@~]  which type
[05:41] <Taladan> patrialt: cat ~/.xsession-errors
[05:42] <jhutchins> patrialt: What are you trying to accomplish by going to applications?
[05:42] <intelikey> /usr/local/bin/type
[05:42] <Taladan> if it's a problem with X it'll be in that file
[05:42] <Iwonder|too> zombiedog: the best thing about linux is the gui is not part of the os, so you can 99% fix it with reinstall and you don't have to reboot it to make things work
[05:42] <patrialt> ehh, nvm, anytime i attempt to access any local directories, konqueror freezes
[05:42] <geggam> only way to find out xtavaresx  is to try .... if it works its compatible
[05:42] <zombiedog> Yeah, I noticed that
[05:43] <geggam> dont do it on a production machine
[05:43] <zombiedog> It's sort of like an abstraction layer between the two
[05:43] <Iwonder|too> *without
[05:43] <piotrek> hmmm
[05:43] <piotrek> i was trying this already:)
[05:43] <zombiedog> Like, windows had that before, they had DOS. But now DOS is just a crap command line interface built into windows
[05:43] <Taladan> well, not only that Iwonder|too...you have complete control over what GUI you want to run....if any.
[05:44] <zombiedog> I like guis. :P
[05:44] <Iwonder|too> oh and the magical word "choice"
[05:44] <zombiedog> Yeah. Well, choice is fine until it hits overload.
[05:44] <blekos> i plug in a usb HD and I know ubuntu recognize's it, when i go to system->disk & filesystem setting it is disabled
[05:44] <Taladan> wanna run Beryl?  You can.  Wanna run fluxbox?  You can.  iceWM?  You can do that too...
[05:44] <Taladan> the list goes on
[05:44] <zombiedog> Yes, I'm aware.
[05:44] <blekos> i try to mounted (as root) but no luck any idea?
[05:44] <Taladan> zombiedog: you have a choice, you don't have to use that choice
[05:44] <jhutchins> Well, maybe not beryl.
[05:44] <Taladan> but for example
[05:44] <Taladan> my laptop is a piece of crap
[05:44] <patrialt> well., my error log thing is packed with errors lol
[05:44] <Taladan> windows 98 would barely run on it
[05:45] <intelikey> Iwonder|too ?    magical word "choice"     C:\dos\choice.com   <<< that word ?
[05:45] <patrialt> but one that stands out is, Gdk-CRITICAL **
[05:45] <jhutchins> patrialt: Don't worry, most of them are for the wacom tablet drivers.
[05:45] <Taladan> but I can run ubuntu dapper on it with fluxbox window manager as the gui and it's fine
[05:45] <Taladan> a little slow, but that's okay
[05:45] <zombiedog> Hoi, you're preaching to the choir, you know.  I'm already using this..
[05:45] <Iwonder|too> no choice,as in my linux,my way
[05:45] <Iwonder|too> lol
[05:45] <Taladan> heh
[05:45] <patrialt> gdk_gc_get_colormap: assertion `GDK_IS_GC (gc)' failed
[05:45] <patrialt> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[05:45] <patrialt>   Major opcode:  156
[05:45] <zombiedog> No point in trying to sell me on it
[05:45] <patrialt>   Minor opcode:  6
[05:45] <patrialt>   Resource id:  0x136
[05:45] <zombiedog> XD
[05:45] <Taladan> the thing is - if you ever get to the point where you feel like all the choice is overload
[05:46] <jhutchins> !paste | patrialt
[05:46] <ubotu> patrialt: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:46] <blekos> do i need to smg at fstab?
[05:46] <Taladan> just remember...you don't have to choose if you don't want to...but it's there when you're ready to ;)
[05:46] <patrialt> i didn't think that was a very big paste
[05:46] <piotrek> HELP EVERYONE:)
[05:46] <piotrek> id doesn't work either
[05:46] <zombiedog> Naw, when I was talking about too much choice, I was more referring to the multi-cd fedora install I tried some years ago
[05:46] <piotrek> i got always answer wrong fs type
[05:46] <Taladan> heh
[05:46] <zombiedog> Now THAT was too much choice by the bucket-load
[05:47] <Taladan> yeah...
[05:47] <jhutchins> piotrek: What didn't?  Lot more helpful to tell us what DID happen.
[05:47] <piotrek> bad option
[05:47] <Taladan> well, fedora is good for the people that want that much control over everything that's installed
[05:47] <piotrek> i dl diskmounter
[05:47] <piotrek> and it tried to mount my second hard disk
[05:47] <piotrek> but as always the same problem
[05:47] <piotrek> bad fs option
[05:47] <Taladan> but ubuntu isn't that much different.  hell, open up aptitude and just scan through all the packages in the standard repos
[05:47] <zombiedog> It was a ASCII interface, with 'Do you want to install klib-dev-moog-omg-wtf-lol-TTUKE-12.14.23-123123??'
[05:47] <zombiedog> Repeat till infinity
[05:48] <piotrek> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock,
[05:48] <piotrek> missing codepage
[05:48] <jhutchins> !enter | piotrek
[05:48] <ubotu> piotrek: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:48] <_4strO> !w32codecs
[05:48] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:48] <piotrek> !enter piotrek
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about enter piotrek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <zombiedog> Yes, but I can AVOID the choice in ubuntu
[05:48] <piotrek> sorry
[05:48] <zombiedog> The actually install itself was the 6-step thing
[05:48] <zombiedog> *actual
[05:48] <Taladan> zombiedog: nullifying choice since 1976 :P
[05:49] <jhutchins> piotrek: What filesystem is on the disk?
[05:49] <piotrek> NTFS
[05:49] <jhutchins> piotrek: Are you using ntfs-3g or the standard kernel drivers?
[05:49] <piotrek> it shows two partitions
[05:49] <zombiedog> Heh, I like choice in small amounts. I'm working on acquiring good programs.
[05:49] <piotrek> standard kernel drivers
[05:49] <waylandbill> zombiedog: sounds like installing slack. I can't imagine choosing a thousand optional packages one by one. Too much like rolling own system from source. :-D
[05:49] <jhutchins> piotrek: Ok, that will give you read-only access.  What does fdisk-l say about the disk?
[05:49] <piotrek> in windows i got no problems with the partition
[05:50] <Taladan> you guys think that's bad...
[05:50] <zombiedog> Waylandbill: Exactly. It was lick some psychotic choice machine
[05:50] <intelikey> piotrek extended partition
[05:50] <zombiedog> *like
[05:50] <Taladan> try compiling your kernel directly at the command line.
[05:50] <piotrek> yes extended
[05:50] <zombiedog> Like chinese water torture
[05:50] <Taladan> no ncurses or x compilation...
[05:50] <piotrek> it says its fat32 win 95 :D
[05:50] <jhutchins> !ot
[05:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:50] <intelikey> Taladan been there.
[05:50] <Taladan> you'll be sick of choice about a quarter of the way through that little experience
[05:50] <jhutchins> piotrek: That would suggest that it's not ntfs.
[05:50] <piotrek> but it is!!
[05:50] <jhutchins> what is the device name?
[05:51] <piotrek> and weird thing
[05:51] <piotrek> everything is label in windows
[05:51] <zombiedog> Yeah, I'm not that deep-down into Linux yet. At the core I'm an artists, and though the techie side of me doesn't mind tinkering, most of me just wants it to function fairly well.
[05:51] <piotrek> it shows two partitions
[05:51] <zombiedog> *artist
[05:51] <piotrek> first partitions's system is OnTrackDM6 :)??
[05:51] <patrialt> guess i'll reinstall kubuntu and not mess with gtk apps anymore lol
[05:51] <Taladan> intelikey: yeah...I did my first kernel compile under the direct tutelage of a blind man who uses linux...man I was tired of it after about the 70th or 80th question
[05:51] <intelikey> piotrek extended partition.   did you mount the number 5 partition  (assuming 5)
[05:51] <Iwonder|too> piotrek: fat drives usually show as 2 one being extended
[05:51] <jhutchins> piotrek: Right.  THat's part of your problem, but I think you can get around it.
[05:52] <jhutchins> piotrek: Please stop hitting enter until you have completed a thought.
[05:52] <piotrek> but it is ntfs...
[05:52] <jhutchins> piotrek: Please tell me what device it is.
[05:52] <jhutchins> piotrek: /dev/what?
 piotrek: fat drives...<<< extended partitions
[05:52] <piotrek> its /dev /hdb2
[05:53] <jhutchins> piotrek: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb2 /mount
[05:53] <piotrek> its /dev /hdb1 (first partition, in Win there's only one NTFS partition)
[05:53] <piotrek> if i'll mount it as fat and it's ntfs what will happen??
[05:53] <jhutchins> piotrek: In Windows, it sees the OnTrack DiskManager 6 partition, loads drivers from that, and only shows the second partition.
[05:53] <waylandbill> piotrek: it won't mount.
[05:53] <intelikey> piotrek it wont mount
[05:53] <Iwonder|too> it won't mount
[05:53] <jhutchins> piotrek: You should get an error and it won't mount.
[05:53] <piotrek> why not?
[05:54] <jhutchins> piotrek: Because it's not vfat.
[05:54] <Iwonder|too> piotrek: are you experienced in command line?
[05:54] <piotrek> oh crap:/
[05:54] <piotrek> not really
[05:54] <jhutchins> piotrek: However, since you were not able to mount it before, we want to confirm that by provoking the error.
[05:54] <Iwonder|too> k i won't suggest that then
[05:54] <piotrek> ok then
[05:54] <waylandbill> piotrek: usually mount with try to auto guess. If you specify a wrong one though, it will give an error and do nothing.
[05:54] <jhutchins> piotrek: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb2 /mount
[05:54] <tux75> hi there. i need one help in the kubuntu installation. i would install grub on the root partition (hda8). what i need to do? just click on hd0 and rename in hda8 or i need to write the extensive form (/dev/hda8) or similar?
[05:54] <tux75> pls help me.
[05:54] <jhutchins> piotrek: You should get an error.
[05:55] <jhutchins> tux75: You need to install it to the root partition of your boot drive, drive 0, or it won't do anything.
[05:55] <jhutchins> piotrek: Hello?
[05:55] <piotrek> the same
[05:55] <Iwonder|too> other than the possibilty of making a fatal error fdisk /dev/hdb will give relevant info
[05:55] <piotrek> even when trying vfat
[05:56] <intelikey> tux75 (hd0,0)
[05:56] <piotrek> wrong fs type
[05:56] <jhutchins> piotrek: Stop using the enter key as punctuation.
[05:56] <piotrek> bad option
[05:56] <jhutchins> piotrek: Good, that's what we wanted.
[05:56] <tux75> jhutchins: i usually place the boot loader on the root partition, not on the mbr of the hd..
[05:56] <jhutchins> piotrek: Now mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt
[05:56] <Iwonder|too> piotrek: is there an OS on that partition?
[05:56] <Iwonder|too> will it boot?
[05:57] <tux75> intelikey: (hd0,0) is the root or the mbr?
[05:57] <jhutchins> tux75: If it's not on the boot disk, the bios won't see it.
[05:57] <waylandbill> tux75: that's right if you have something in the mbr to load it.
[05:57] <piotrek> the same...
[05:57] <intelikey> tux75 (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1      grub is screwy that way
[05:57] <tux75> yes, i've a graphical bootloader
[05:57] <piotrek> i don't know what to do anymore ;(
[05:58] <zombiedog> Well, I'm off for a bit
[05:58] <piotrek> Iwonder|too there is no OS
[05:58] <patrialt> if i want to install java with kubuntu, using the Adept package manager, how do i accept the agreement so that java finishes installing ?
[05:58] <Taladan> patrialt: tab key
[05:58] <Taladan> then space bar
[05:58] <patrialt> ahh kk
[05:59] <tux75> intelikey: so, i must to write "(hd0,7)" for /dev/hda8?
[05:59] <jhutchins> D'Oh!
[05:59] <waylandbill> tux75: yes
[05:59] <Flegma> can you help me pls?? i dont hear any sound...my KMix show Mixer cannot be found message...... :(
[05:59] <patrialt> just asking, cuz i have to do it all over again if i cant figure out how to fix my konqueror issue lol
[05:59] <piotrek> maybe i'm a beginner in Ubuntu world but was searching really everywhere
[05:59] <intelikey> tux75 let me rephrase.  grub is more screwy than that.  (hd0,0) it the first partition that bios finds.  reguardles what disk.      and yes to your Q.
[06:00] <szefu> piotrek : use ntfsmount insteed or mount :D
[06:00] <waylandbill> Flegma: did the kernel module for the sound device load? did it make /dev/dsp.
[06:00] <tux75> thanks to all then. :)
[06:00] <jhutchins> piotrek: mount -t ontrackdm6
[06:00] <Taladan> Flegma - at the command line type: lsmod | grep snd
[06:00] <exs> is msn network down?
[06:00] <Flegma> Taladan:  nothing...
[06:01] <piotrek> unknown file system...
[06:01] <Flegma> Taladan:  yesterday, it was ok..but now... no :(
[06:01] <intelikey> exs one can only hope
[06:01] <Taladan> Yeah, your sound kernel modules aren't loading
[06:01] <piotrek> oh by the way
[06:01] <Flegma> Taladan:  how can i fix it pls??
[06:01] <Taladan> Do you know what soundcard you have?
[06:02] <Flegma> Taladan:  intel hda
[06:02] <piotrek> has any1 of you experienced a problem with Kmix ??
[06:02] <jhutchins> piotrek: mount -t ontrackdm6
[06:02] <Taladan> er
[06:02] <piotrek> it'll say unknow filesystem
[06:02] <jhutchins> Might need the caps.
[06:02] <Taladan> hm...you could modprobe them, but I would just try restarting my sound server, see if that calls them
[06:02] <Flegma> piotrek:  me
[06:02] <jhutchins> piotrek: You probably want to actually mount the ontrack partition.
[06:02] <underdog5004> how can I get my dns settings to stick. I've edited /etc/resolv.conf, but it just gets overwritten...
[06:02] <Taladan> something like sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[06:03] <Taladan> assuming you're using alsa as your sound server
[06:03] <piotrek> just want it to see
[06:03] <piotrek> don't even want to write to it because i have everything in it
[06:03] <Flegma> Taladan:  setting up alsa / ok
[06:03] <piotrek> have to tripleboot to use my /dev/hdb2 :)
[06:03] <Flegma> Taladan:  i tried to recopmile drivers...but..nothing.
[06:03] <Taladan> underdog5004: don't use resolv.conf, use /etc/hosts if you're wanting to alias your local machines
[06:04] <Taladan> Flegma - do a lsmod |grep snd
[06:04] <Flegma> Taladan:  it shows nothing
[06:04] <Taladan> weird
[06:04] <jhutchins> Grr.  Almost all of the googlehits i get for ontrack are copies of the partition table type list from fdisk.
[06:04] <piotrek> hmm
[06:04] <waylandbill> underdog5004: to make dns servers static, you have to make your connection static otherwise your dhcp server will assign them
[06:04] <piotrek> you know
[06:05] <piotrek> when i couldn't mount it
[06:05] <piotrek> i thought it's maybe mbr on the disk
[06:05] <intelikey> i thought lshw accepted single char options ?
[06:05] <piotrek> so i "fixed" this
[06:05] <piotrek> but it didn't help
[06:06] <Taladan> Flegma - I'm really not sure why it's not loading the kernel modules.  Someone else may be better suited to helping you as I don't deal that much with kernel stuff
[06:06] <piotrek> ok guys, thank You for help... ;(
[06:06] <piotrek> i will still have to use Shitows...
[06:06] <geggam> modprobe snd_hda_intel
[06:06] <piotrek> although i didn't have so many problems with it :)
[06:06] <jhutchins> piotrek: Think I got it:
[06:06] <Taladan> that may do it
[06:06] <geggam> no pointing !
[06:06] <Taladan> heh
[06:06] <intelikey> piotrek lsmod | grep ntfs
[06:06] <piotrek> what pointing??
[06:07] <Flegma> Taladan:  i ...thx... i found some solution.with audio group and my user, but its ok.. :(
[06:07] <intelikey> piotrek any driver loaded ?
[06:07] <fdoving> waylandbill, underdog5004 you can however edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to superseed or prepend your preferred nameserver.
[06:07] <jhutchins> piotrek: reboot and add the kernel option hdb=remap63
[06:07] <Taladan> Flegma - try what geggam said
[06:07] <piotrek> 104436     3
[06:07] <kamui> ok, now I could use some help with some damn wireless configuration
[06:07] <jhutchins> piotrek: You should be able to see the drive then.
[06:07] <piotrek> the answer from it
[06:07] <Flegma> waylandbill:  how can i determine if kernel module for sound device load??
[06:07] <kamui> I want to have my net autoconfigged to work at work and home
[06:07] <piotrek> ntfs       104436    3
[06:07] <kamui> I spent like 30 minutes last night getting wpa supplicant to work for home
[06:07] <waylandbill> Flegma: lsmod will list it
[06:07] <kamui> now how can I add a wep protected essid to my config to autoconnect?
[06:08] <Taladan> waylandbill: it's not
[06:08] <jhutchins> piotrek: See http://www.radio-active.net.au/blog/archive/2007_01_01_archive.html
[06:08] <kamui> is it even possible?
[06:08] <Taladan> I had Flegma lsmod|grep snd
[06:08] <Flegma> Taladan:  coud not open ...
[06:08] <jhutchins> piotrek: Last entry on the page, which points to http://ramses.smeyers.be/varia/OnTrackDM6/
[06:08] <Taladan> Flegma - could not open what?
[06:08] <Flegma> WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory
[06:08] <jhutchins> piotrek: AND STOP USING THE ENTER KEY FOR PUNCTUATION!
[06:08] <Flegma> and  more files
[06:08] <waylandbill> but the question was how to determine. That's how.
[06:09] <piotrek> so what should i use??
[06:09] <szefu> piotrek : use ntfsmount insteed of mount for ntfs partitions , doh
[06:09] <Taladan> hm...wow
[06:09] <Taladan> nuked your modules somehow
[06:09] <jhutchins> szefu: It's a ontrackdm6 partition, ntfs won't work.
[06:09] <Flegma> Taladan: 6 files from kernel sound core :(
[06:09] <BluesKaj> !python
[06:09] <waylandbill> Flegma: looks like you should reinstall or rebuild the kernel modules.
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <jhutchins> piotrek: reboot and add the kernel option hdb=remap63
[06:10] <Flegma> waylandbill:  I am a beginner...how??
[06:10] <blekos> smg is wrong with my ubuntu and cannot see usb storages devices, can u help?
[06:10] <geggam> well that blows
[06:10] <piotrek> how to add this option?/
[06:10] <geggam> u cant version people and see if they are running the kernel they are trying to use modules
[06:11] <geggam> /exec -o uname -a work ?
[06:11] <geggam> Linux lappy2 2.6.20-14-386 #2 Mon Apr 2 20:34:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:11] <geggam> ^^ Like that
[06:11] <piotrek> http://ramses.smeyers.be/varia/OnTrackDM6/
[06:11] <Flegma> no
[06:11] <geggam> what kernel u running ?
[06:11] <geggam> Flegma,
[06:11] <piotrek> i'm on it but it really tells me nothing:)
[06:12] <Flegma> geggam: 2.6.17-11-generic
[06:12] <piotrek> ahhh
[06:12] <piotrek> ok
[06:12] <waylandbill> Flegma: apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic
[06:13] <piotrek> should I write it as it is exactly in it??
[06:13] <Flegma> waylandbill: ok..I'll restart
[06:14] <geggam> was looking gfor that package waylandbill
[06:15] <geggam> for a = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7  8 9 ; do kill -HUP 1 ; done
[06:16] <intelikey> =  ?
[06:16] <intelikey> in
[06:16] <geggam> bah !
[06:16] <waylandbill> intelikey: driver CDs. reboot. reboot. reboot. Then install the software. rinse. repeat.
[06:16] <Flegma> wey
[06:16] <intelikey> waylandbill oh yeah i remember now.
[06:16] <geggam> that is what happens when u are tinkering in perl and attempting to do shell script humor intelikey
[06:17] <Flegma> waylandbill: nothing..still the same :(
[06:17] <intelikey> geggam :)
[06:18] <Cosmo_> I have a program that is made to run in mandrake, red hat, fedora, gentoo and suse am I sol on being able to run it?
[06:18] <geggam> Flegma, did u install that module package with apt ?
[06:18] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: you may be able to.
[06:18] <Flegma> geggam:  yes...
[06:19] <geggam> modprobe snd_hda_intel
[06:19] <geggam> try that
[06:19] <geggam> or jsut snd
[06:19] <intelikey> Cosmo_ why ?  will it not preform in *buntu's env ?
[06:19] <Flegma> geggam:  ok.i ran it with sudo....now?? restart pc?
[06:19] <geggam> no
[06:19] <waylandbill> Flegma: no
[06:20] <geggam> modprobe snd_hda_intel
[06:20] <Cosmo_> I am not sure, it comes up with errors when I try to install it
[06:20] <Flegma> geggam:  done
[06:20] <geggam> any errors ?
[06:20] <geggam> or do u have sound ?
[06:20] <Flegma> geggam:  no...
[06:20] <Cosmo_> it is a citrix vpn client for my job
[06:20] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: how are you trying to install it?
[06:20] <geggam> run kmix
[06:20] <intelikey> !find citrix
[06:20] <ubotu> Package/file citrix does not exist in edgy
[06:20] <Flegma> geggam:  mixer cannot be found _(
[06:21] <geggam> /exec -o dmesg | tail
[06:21] <Cosmo_> I have been trying to run it in the command line
[06:21] <intelikey> Cosmo_ looks like you'll have to get the source and compile it.
[06:21] <intelikey> !b-e | Cosmo_
[06:21] <ubotu> Cosmo_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:21] <Flegma> geggam: /exec -o dmesg | tail in console??
[06:21] <geggam> !find thing client
[06:21] <ubotu> Found: gtk-engines-thingeramik, gtk-engines-thingeramik-data, gtk2-engines-thingeramik
[06:21] <geggam> !find thin client
[06:21] <ubotu> Found: gtk2-engines, education-thin-client-server, gaim-thinklight, gnome-think, gtk-engines-thingeramik (and 7 others)
[06:22] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: what are you trying to run from the command line? is it just a single executable?
[06:22] <geggam> dmesg | tail
[06:22] <Flegma> geggam:  only ntfs and bluetooth messages
[06:22] <geggam> modprobe snd
[06:22] <intelikey> Cosmo_ it's pretty safe to assume that if it's for gentoo than just about any *nix can compile and use it.
[06:22] <geggam> just do the generic one
[06:23] <intelikey> s+than+then+
[06:23] <Flegma> geggam:  sudo modprobe snd do nothingf
[06:23] <Cosmo_> the file is citrixvpn-linux-2.4-i386.sh
[06:23] <intelikey> Cosmo_ hmmm   sh citrixvpn-linux-2.4-i386.sh
[06:23] <geggam> just as an fyi in the old days when everyone ran xchat we could diagnose machines by having people run commands with /exec -o to output the result to chat
[06:23] <treq> anyone been able to install vmware 1.02 on 7.04?
[06:24] <geggam> Flegma, try a reboot to see if that does put everything in sync
[06:24] <Flegma> geggam:  ok..wait a minute :)
[06:24] <geggam> depmod -a
[06:24] <dawson> hi guys, Whats the best method of running windows applications on a linux box, is there a wine alternative?
[06:25] <intelikey> Cosmo_ ummm wait.    if that "linux-2.4-i386"  specification is kernel arch  then you'll need to install a 2.4 kernel to use it.
[06:25] <Cosmo_> how do I do that?
[06:25] <kids> tinyerp wants an older version of postgresql, how can I select the proper version?
[06:25] <intelikey> Cosmo_ package manager
[06:26] <kids> thanks
[06:26] <Flegma> geggam:  still the same...
[06:26] <geggam> Flegma, paste dmesg to pastebin
[06:26] <intelikey> Cosmo_ or  sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.4*386
[06:26] <geggam> then post link
[06:27] <intelikey> that may give more than one match ^
[06:28] <Flegma> geggam: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15241/
[06:29] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: there isn't a 2.6 version available?
[06:30] <intelikey> waylandbill yeah or an alternative vpn client even...
[06:30] <Cosmo_> waylandbill: not that I can find
[06:31] <Yorokobi> Cosmo_, waylandbill, are you two talking about the Cisco VPN client?
[06:31] <Cosmo_> Yorokobi: yeah
[06:31] <geggam> Flegma,  what sound card / chipset do u have ?
[06:31] <Yorokobi> There's a 2.6 kernel patch out there that works
[06:31] <geggam> !google ?
[06:31] <Cosmo_> Yorokobi: trying to get it installed for my job so I don't have to use windows
[06:31] <Flegma> geggam:  intel hda 660
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <intelikey> Yorokobi he's playing with  citrixvpn-linux-2.4-i386.sh
[06:32] <Yorokobi> Cosmo_, I used the Cisco client for work and school on egdy for quite some time.
[06:32] <Yorokobi> oh, the citrix one ...
[06:32] <Cosmo_> yeah
[06:32] <Yorokobi> Nevermind then
[06:32] <waylandbill> i've only ever used openvpn myself
[06:33] <geggam> Flegma, does "sudo lspci" show any sound ?
[06:33] <Cosmo_> the problem is the tech guys at my job know very little about linux so I'm kind of on my own trying to get this to work
[06:34] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: sneak openvpn for windows on one of the windows machines so you can use openvpn on yours ;-P
[06:35] <intelikey> !freenx
[06:35] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:35] <Flegma> geggam: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[06:35] <Yorokobi> Or convince them to allow an SSH server and use SSH tunnels
[06:35] <geggam> ew
[06:35] <geggam> buddy of mine has that chipset and hates it with linux
[06:35] <waylandbill> Yorokobi: that would be a very good solution
[06:35] <Cosmo_> but on the bright side if I can get this to work I should only need to boot up into windows for the ocasional rare piece of software
[06:36] <Flegma> geggam: but yesterday it was ok....soundcard has worked fine..
[06:36] <waylandbill> I couldn't imagine life without ssh servers.
[06:36] <Cosmo_> the only problem is that the office is in denver, CO and I am in bfe, OK
[06:36] <Flegma> geggam: i have raltek chipset...
[06:36] <geggam> what did u do different ?
[06:36] <waylandbill> Flegma: did you do an update to that new kernel recently? did you try going back a kernel using the old ones still in grub?
[06:37] <Flegma> waylandbill: i think there was some kernel updates...yes....i will try older one..
[06:37] <waylandbill> Cosmo_: you still should be able to convince someone there to install an ssh server.
[06:37] <geggam> older or newer Flegma
[06:37] <geggam> simplest way
[06:38] <Flegma> geggam: i dont have any newer... :(
[06:38] <waylandbill> older would be the way to go anyway since it worked.
[06:38] <geggam> o
[06:38] <intelikey> that's why i never update anything
[06:38] <Flegma> waylandbill: is there any chance to detect which packages was updated latest??
[06:39] <geggam> i forget i am on feisty
[06:39] <geggam> somehow using the terminology feisty feels a bit queer
[06:39] <waylandbill> Flegma: dkpg has a log, you should be able to look by the date they were installed.
[06:40] <waylandbill> geggam: a fiesty girlfriend isn't necessarily a bad thing. :-D
[06:40] <geggam> are too
[06:40] <geggam> women like that are nothing but trouble
[06:40] <Yorokobi> depends on who she is feisty with
[06:41] <waylandbill> lol
[06:41] <geggam> trust me... she will get feisty with someone else because she is feisty
[06:41] <intelikey> guys be nice.
[06:41] <waylandbill> Flegma: /var/log/dpkg.log is where you would look
[06:42] <waylandbill> fiesty and dressed in anything red. mmm.. what a fantasy that would be. :-)
[06:43] <Flegma> waylandbill: yes...i have it.... it has to be in linux header or linux image or linux libc
[06:43] <intelikey> image
[06:43] <waylandbill> Flegma: image
[06:44] <Flegma> waylandbill: ok...and can I downgrade it??
[06:44] <waylandbill> Flegma: grub should have an entry still, just boot into the older one and see if that's the deal.
[06:44] <Flegma> waylandbill: ok...wait :)
[06:45] <waylandbill> Flegma: you can lock it to a version with Synaptic or aptitude I know. I'm not sure about Adept.
[06:46] <ohmbr> hi...
[06:46] <intelikey> just removing the offending image is enough.  it will take  linux-image with it and thus stop updating the kernel every time there is a change.
[06:46] <Flegma> waylandbill: its ok now...older kernel image..
[06:47] <intelikey> Flegma please file a bug on that.
[06:47] <intelikey> !bug
[06:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:47] <Flegma> intelikey:  ok
[06:47] <ohmbr> when i use apt-get it's returning to me this error... "Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" what could be??
[06:48] <Flegma> but..is there solution where i couldnt boot into older kernel image?? or should i wait for new update?
[06:48] <Yorokobi> ohmbr, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=218622
[06:48] <intelikey> ohmbr locales set to something not avalable ?   anyway  try  LC_ALL=C commands and args
[06:49] <ohmbr> Yorokobi: i'll see for it..
[06:50] <ninHer> hi all
[06:54] <Mena> HI
[06:55] <Mena> Is there utorrent ?
[06:55] <Flegma> intelikey: done :)
[06:55] <intelikey> !find torrent
[06:55] <ubotu> Found: bittorrent, bittorrent-gui, libtorrent7, libtorrent7-dev, qtorrent (and 3 others)
[06:56] <intelikey> Mena apt-cache search torrent
[06:56] <Mena> ok
[06:56] <Flegma> !find ftp
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: ftp, gftp-common, gftp-gtk, lftp, tftp-hpa (and 77 others)
[07:02] <slestak> anyone understand ubuntu fonts and could help troubleshoot a terminal app with line drawing chars?
[07:03] <KjetilK> I just got a Compal GL30 laptop in the door. The last time I installed one of those, I had some problems with the wireless card (which is the latest Intel), and a few problems with other hardware.
[07:03] <slestak> i am trying to get some users access to an old app on aix that requires wyse60 term and have it 90% functional.  I need to find a font for konsole that includes the line drawing chars.
[07:04] <KjetilK> I see that has been improved in the latest beta, and I can live with some problems, would it then be reasonable to go for the latest rather than Edgy?
[07:08] <jack__> hi, kmail says it cannot connect to mail.gmx.net, pop3 works fine.guarddog blocks the smtp server, without firewall working fine, but whatever i do it wont allow to send mails
[07:08] <jack__> can anyone help thanks?
[07:10] <_Iwonder_> jack__: how about server requires authenication?
[07:12] <jack__> _Iwonder have tried both, thats not the the problem, i think its the connection via port 465, which is not allowed by default by guarddog
[07:15] <atidem> hello
[07:15] <livingtm> Is there any way I can get font smoothing to work for Gnome apps while in KDE? I cant believe the difference in the look of those apps from gnome to KDE
[07:15] <fdoving> jack__: allow it in guarddog then :)
[07:16] <amadeus_> hi
[07:16] <ubuntu> hey
[07:16] <amadeus_> anyone masters sed here?
[07:16] <fdoving> amadeus_: what's the challenge?
[07:16] <jack__> fdoving: yep, but it wont work, i enabled that for the dmz and internet, no
[07:16] <jack__>  luck
[07:16] <ubuntu> wta is the newest version of kubuntu ?
[07:17] <amadeus_> fdoving: to replace spaces by "','"
[07:17] <amadeus_> the \' is a problem
[07:17] <amadeus_> i tried 's/ /\',\'/g'
[07:17] <amadeus_> but no success
[07:18] <intelikey> amadeus_ sed 's/" "/"','"/g'   ?
[07:18] <amadeus_> won't the shell interprete that?
[07:19] <amadeus_> intelikey: Not working, nothing is replaced
[07:20] <Flegma>  sed 's/[ ] /[,] /g'
[07:20] <Flegma> this??
[07:20] <Flegma>  sed 's/[ ] /,/g'
[07:20] <Flegma> or this
[07:20] <Flegma> amadeus_:  try it ;)
[07:20] <intelikey> Flegma i think he wants ','  not just ,
[07:21] <intelikey>   if it's  , you want use tr
[07:21] <amadeus_> Flegma: intelikey is right, i really want the '
[07:21] <Flegma> ohhh...sorry
[07:21] <Flegma> so
[07:21] <Flegma>  sed 's/[ ] /\',\'/g'
[07:21] <Flegma> this?
[07:21] <amadeus_> trying ...
[07:21] <intelikey> Flegma errors out
[07:21] <kubuntu_newbie> hi, I've got kubuntu connected up to a wireless newtwork. It finds the wireless network and I have put in the WEP Key, however it fails to connect. Can anyone help me with this?
[07:21] <ubuntu> wat is the newest versoon of kubuntu
[07:22] <intelikey> edgy
[07:22] <intelikey> ubuntu but in a few weaks feisty will be.
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> Is there a system monitor that sits somewhere between gkrellm and superkaramba? I want something that looks nicer than gkrellm w/o the system overhead and pain in the arse config of karamba.
[07:23] <fdoving> amadeus_: what about: sed "s/ /\',\'/g" ?
[07:24] <amadeus_> fdoving: let's see
[07:24] <Yorokobi> LeeJunFan, are the panel applets not what you're looking for?
[07:24] <fdoving> !away > kite_dh
[07:24] <jack__> (The server responded: "5.1.2 Cannot resolve your domain {mp041}")
[07:24] <intelikey> amadeus_    echo 'testing bob bob' | sed s/\ /\',\'/g
[07:24] <jack__> what does that mean?
[07:24] <Flegma> amadeus_:  this works fine
[07:24] <Flegma> sed "s/[ ] /','/g"
[07:24] <Flegma> ;)
[07:24] <amadeus_> oh my god
[07:24] <intelikey> amadeus_ we were making it "too hard"
[07:24] <amadeus_> how can it be so easy?
[07:25] <Flegma> :)
[07:25] <ryiel> !fglrx
[07:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:25] <fdoving> jack__: that means your internet connection does not have reversed dns 'host your.ip.address' fails for your ip, it doesn't resolv from ip to hostname.
[07:25] <amadeus_> RMS is laughing at us right now
[07:25] <bill_k> just got on feisty, anyone know if i should  apt-get mozilla-firefox or firefox?  (just want the browser) or if there's another way?
[07:25] <bill_k> !firefox
[07:25] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:25] <intelikey> sed "s/ /','/g"   works too.
[07:25] <bill_k> nevermind :)
[07:26] <amadeus_> intelikey: that's what fdoving proposed
[07:26] <intelikey> almost
[07:26] <fdoving> amadeus_: you wanted to replace spaces with a comma? or spaces with a quoted comma?
[07:26] <amadeus_> fdoving: spaces with a quoted comma
[07:26] <fdoving> amadeus_: that's a big difference, ',' vs ,
[07:26] <fdoving> amadeus_: ok. good. :)
[07:26] <bill_k> wait, that's for edgy and pre 6.10
[07:27] <amadeus_> by the way thanks folks
[07:27] <jack__> fdoving: hmm so how can i fix that for guarddog that it allows me to send mails?
[07:27] <intelikey> amadeus_ that's what we do.
[07:28] <Flegma> amadeus_:  no problem
[07:28] <fdoving> jack__: are you sure that is a guarddog problem? reading from the error message it looks more like a problem/restriction at the mailserver youre trying to connect to.
[07:29] <jack__> fdoving: sending works fine if i disable it, so i suppose
[07:29] <fdoving> jack__: hum. ok. then it's probably guarddog :)
[07:30] <asraniel> hi, in feisty there is a kde4games package, i installed it, but i cant see the kde4 games, does anybody know how to start them?
[07:31] <fdoving> asraniel: the binaries are in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/
[07:32] <intelikey> asraniel  no kmenu entrys  ?
[07:32] <sh4rk0> #kubuntu-fr
[07:32] <asraniel> perhaps i have to login again, didnt try that, probably the normal kubuntu bug that new applications are not in the menu untul a relogin
[07:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:33] <fdoving> asraniel, intelikey: don't think there will be any menu entries, as the .desktop files are in /usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde/
[07:33] <fdoving> asraniel: you can try to browse to that directory with konqueror.
[07:34] <jpatrick> slow-motion: hello again
[07:34] <slow-motion> hi jpatrick
[07:34] <jpatrick> slow-motion: you've been on this channel for some time now nein?
[07:35] <asraniel> i can use konsole to launch them, works very well, thanks everybody :-)
[07:35] <slow-motion> i join it when i start xchat
[07:36] <jpatrick> slow-motion: well if your the slow-mo I remember.. I had no idea you spoke german
[07:37] <kappaOne> lo there ppl, just a question, currently using suse 10.2, is kubuntu similar?
[07:37] <kappaOne> personally a big fan of kde
[07:37] <intelikey> a package that of gui apps that doesn't mention them to  /usr/lib/menu /usr/share/menu/default or /etc/menu   is not a very well constructed package  imo
[07:38] <kappaOne> does it have anything similar to yast?
[07:38] <intelikey> kappaOne define "similar"      but yes.
[07:39] <kappaOne> easy to get running and configure
[07:39] <intelikey> most modern distros are
[07:39] <kappaOne> since yast is all in one tool, dont' really want to mess with console
[07:39] <kubuntu_newbie> I set up my wifi connection with kwifimanager, put in the WEP key, but it still won't connect. Can anyone help me?
[07:40] <intelikey> kappaOne if you like yast and suse why are you thinking about changing to *buntu ?
[07:40] <kappaOne> just like to test it out, has lots of hype
[07:40] <kappaOne> and heard it has a really fast boot
[07:40] <intelikey> "dance with the one that brung ya"
[07:41] <kappaOne> just one more thing is it dependant on anything default gtk apps or is it fully qt?
[07:42] <intelikey> fast boot meaning you see a picture very quickly ?    or implying that it has loaded/started all it is going to as a boot up process, very quickly.    the first would be true the second would not...
[07:44] <intelikey> basicly the idea is get the user looking at a mouse cursor in a picture (desktop) asap  then finish loading every thing
[07:44] <intelikey> and it works.   people like that....
[07:46] <intelikey> eye candy is king.   reguardless of what the machine actually does.    if you don't believe that look at M$
[07:49] <dhq> which is the best download manager
[07:50] <MinceR> wget
[07:50] <MinceR> especially in screen
[07:50] <LjL> hardly, it doesn't support any half advanced feature. it's a fine recursive retriever, though
[07:50] <fdoving> dhq: kget maybe? depends what you like.
[07:50] <LjL> i use aget from the console, though it's a bit temperamental
[07:51] <fdoving> LjL: aget?
[07:51] <LjL> err
[07:51] <LjL> axel
[07:51] <dhq> fdoving: kget is not so good
[07:51] <dhq> fdoving: is there anything better
[07:52] <fdoving> dhq: depends what you like really, d4x maybe?
[07:53] <LjL> d4x has quite a few features from what i remember, including multiple source download, though it's not quite a KDE program.
[07:53] <dhq> fdoving: i downloaded a file then it failed now i cant even find the temporary file where it is stored
[07:53] <intelikey> curl
[07:53] <LjL> not sure there's any KDE downloader with "all" the features
[07:53] <dhq> LjL: i want a nice one
[07:53] <LjL> dhq: "nice" is a bit nondescriptive
[07:53] <fdoving> i don't download much, wget is the single most reliable downloader i have ever used.
[07:54] <LjL> fdoving: as for reliability, yes, i'd suppose so
[07:54] <fdoving> i have axel too, but i don't use it much.
[07:54] <fdoving> it crashes on me quite alot.
[07:54] <dhq> well i want to see the temporaryfile and mutiple download i mean something like download accelerator in windows
[07:54] <intelikey> nobody here uses  curl ?
[07:55] <fdoving> intelikey: rarely. but yes.
[07:55] <LjL> fdoving: it does crash. but when you have many horribly slow mirrors, you really need something like it
[07:55] <usuario__> hola
[07:55] <fdoving> LjL: true. that's why i have it installed :)
[07:55] <LjL> if you don't want a new version of whatever you're downloading to be released before you've finished downloading, at least ;)
[07:55] <romantico> alguien que hable en espaol
[07:56] <LjL> !es
[07:56] <intelikey> LjL heh   can't be done...  lol
[07:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:56] <romantico> hola
[07:57] <busfahrer> Excuse me, when I configured my install, I just took the sources.list from ubuntuguide.org. Now, I decided I don't really want to use the 'edgy-backports' repository. But I can't know for sure that I didn't install any software from there. My question now is, could it lead to any breakage if I removed edgy-backports from my sources.list?
[07:57] <LjL> busfahrer: no (unless it has already caused breakage)
[07:57] <fdoving> busfahrer: no.
[07:57] <busfahrer> Cheers
[07:57] <LjL> (which is unlikely)
[07:57] <HanzZ> hi.. i have "feature request".. where can i tell it? :)
[07:57] <busfahrer> not that I noticed
[07:57] <LjL> !bugs | HanzZ
[07:57] <ubotu> HanzZ: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:58] <LjL> there, i guess
[07:58] <LjL> or if it goes beyond a single package, write a spec
[07:59] <dhq> LjL: fdoving which is the best torrent downloader which uses less memory
[07:59] <fdoving> dhq: graphical?
[07:59] <dhq> fdoving: yes
[07:59] <LjL> i don't use torrents much, but it seems that even a few GNOME users use KTorrent, so it can't be that bad
[07:59] <dhq> ktorrent loads up my pc
[08:00] <fdoving> i just use ktorrent, but it is resource intensive on my machine.
[08:00] <intelikey> busfahrer it can have installed something that depends or something that depends on something installed from there.   and "break" deps if you don't have the repo enabled and try to update or something.   rare cases have happened.  but removing the offending package will "fix" that sutuation.
[08:00] <HanzZ> i want to open document with oowriter or oocalc directly in these apps from konqueror...
[08:00] <LjL> dhq: some other people even use uTorrent under WINE. a bit of a weird solution, but.
[08:00] <intelikey> u/i
[08:01] <fdoving> dhq: if you can live with a advanced console tool, rtorrent is nice, i used it to seed kubuntu images on a few servers.
[08:01] <fdoving> LjL: tested aria2? (it's packaged)
[08:01] <dhq> fdoving: does it download good can you link me
[08:02] <dhq> !rtorrent
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rtorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <fdoving> dhq: there is a package.
[08:02] <fdoving> !info rtorrent
[08:02] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[08:02] <dhq> fdoving: i am using fiesty
[08:02] <intelikey> qtorrent - BitTorrent client for QT 3.x
[08:02] <LjL> fdoving: no, i think i missed it. i'll check it out, though (as always, unfortunately) the description is ambiguous about whether "segmented" downloading means hogging a *single* server or downloading from *multiple* mirrors.
[08:05] <fdoving> LjL: sure, i just discovered it now with an apt-cache search.
[08:05] <frojnd> I have question: I was having drivers from nvidia official web page on kernel *13. But I have decided that I wanna have driveres with nvidia-glx package so I've installed it. So I thought I am using nvidia-glx divers. But that wasn't true. Now I've upgraded to kernel *14 and when I restart X I wasn't able to come in X. So I changed driver "nvidia" into "nv"  APPERANTLY I don't use nvidia-glx drivers as I thought I did... SO HOW can I
[08:05] <frojnd> use nvidia-glx drivers????
[08:05] <|lostbyte|> dhq, you dont want to use that.. :P
[08:06] <dhq> |lostbyte|: means
[08:07] <fdoving> LjL: it looks good. aria2.
[08:08] <drgeb> hello
[08:09] <LjL> fdoving: if it's less unstable than axel, i guess i'll switch to it. it does support what i need it to support
[08:10] <fdoving> LjL: me too.
[08:17] <aaroncampbell> My wireless network connection has started being re-enabled constantly (I disable it, and a little later I see it enabled again).  I'm using Kubuntu Feisty
[08:18] <aaroncampbell> Also, the "KNetworkManager" doesn't list any of my interfaces (2 gigabit wired and a wireless).  I have to go to "System Settings" then "Network Settings" to connect/enable/disable
[08:25] <slestak> any devs for the edgy to feisty dist-upgrade around?  i had an interrupted update.  had to reboot right in the middle of all the updates.   all is well, the install looks good even after restartign the dist-upgrade
[08:26] <bobbicat> slestak i been having prblems - looks like they are upgrading files
[08:26] <bobbicat> some of the files on the server are only minutes old
[08:26] <fdoving> slestak: please give riddell your feedback. he's the main developer of that tool.
[08:27] <bobbicat> i navigated there to take a look
[08:27] <boiddude> hello there
[08:27] <boiddude> anyone here know much about grub?
[08:27] <boiddude> I am having a problem where I use to have an md based raid 1 setup on my server and now it is just a single drive and not md anymore but everytime I update
[08:27] <Riddell> slestak: great
[08:28] <fdoving> boiddude: it's changed back?
[08:28] <boiddude> my kernel it puts the md info back into /boot/grub/menu.lst instead of hda2
[08:28] <boiddude> I did the mbr clear also
[08:28] <boiddude> must have missed something
[08:28] <boiddude> I even reinstalled the os
[08:28] <boiddude> something must still be in the mbr but why would grub keep checking it?
[08:28] <bobbicat> can anyone tell me if i will be able to dl update files for a new install of kubuntu 6.10 i got here
[08:28] <boiddude> It is jus that if I do the update and forget to change it back the system won't boot
[08:29] <boiddude> anyone have any suggestions??
[08:29] <boiddude> I wiped out the mdadm file so there isn't any info in it
[08:29] <fdoving> boiddude: ok, go edit /boot/grub/menu.lst it's one of the lines starting with a # look for kopt
[08:30] <fdoving> boiddude: i for example have this: # kopt=root=UUID=fba3d172-bf10-4e76-b0dd-33384be35e97 ro
[08:30] <boiddude> ok found it
[08:30] <boiddude> ok so even though it is #'d out it still reads that line
[08:30] <boiddude> ??
[08:30] <fdoving> boiddude: you need to change that to your new device. even if it looks like it's not used, due to the #, it is used by the update-grub script that is executed on every kernel upgrade.
[08:31] <boiddude> I noticed that there was only a single # before it
[08:31] <fdoving> boiddude: exactly.
[08:31] <boiddude> awesome
[08:31] <boiddude> done and I appreciate it soooooo much
[08:31] <boiddude> you are awesome dude
[08:31] <boiddude> this has been such a pain in my butt for way too long
[08:31] <fdoving> boiddude: now, you can re-run 'update-grub' to see that your changes did take effect.
[08:31] <boiddude> I wonder how that got picked up
[08:32] <fdoving> it will update the menu.lst file, with your new values.
[08:32] <boiddude> worked like a charm
[08:32] <boiddude> thanks again
[08:32] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[08:32] <boiddude> one more question for you though
[08:32] <fdoving> shoot.
[08:33] <bobbicat> i'm trying to update a new install of edgy all i get is time outs - connection is ok - i can browse to archive files manually
[08:33] <boiddude> I have a new system I built with a dual opteron 180 chip in it and before that a 3500+ single
[08:33] <boiddude> and I can't get the installer for either 6.10 or the previous to work on it
[08:33] <boiddude> it dies saying that the server for X can't start and I have an X-800 card in it from ATI
[08:33] <fdoving> boiddude: did you try the alternate cd-image?
[08:33] <boiddude> never had this problem before
[08:33] <boiddude> not yet I will try that
[08:34] <boiddude> I tried server and desktop but not alternate
[08:34] <fdoving> boiddude: good, the alternate installer is the good old debian installer, not the fancy graphics one.
[08:34] <boiddude> I am trying to put myth tv on it
[08:34] <boiddude> ahhh that will probably work then
[08:34] <boiddude> very good
[08:34] <boiddude> as an hptc
[08:34] <slestak> Riddell: used the method at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades, Kubuntu Beta upgrade.  The first half used the qt ui, the restart was just console.  seemed to pick up fine and just install the remaining packages.
[08:34] <boiddude> thanks again will try and have a great day
[08:34] <boiddude> bye
[08:35] <bobbicat> lol - i guess its back to windows windups on that machine then...
[08:35] <fdoving> you're welcome boiddude, enjoy :)
[08:35] <bobbicat> this one works ok with kubuntu i'll be satisfied with that
[08:38] <aaroncampbell> When I set everything up, I gave the computer the hostname aaron-linux..now I want it to be just aaron.  I can use hostname to set it, but will it stay that way when I reboot?  (In Redhat, I had to edit a file too)
[08:39] <fdoving> aaroncampbell: you need to edit a file too, and you need to make sure the hostname in /etc/hostname matches the hostname in /etc/hosts
[08:39] <fdoving> aaroncampbell: that is very important for the system to function properly.
[08:41] <aaroncampbell> fdoving: ok, so edit those 2 files, and s/old_host_name/new_host_name ?
[08:41] <fdoving> aaroncampbell: correct.
[08:41] <aaroncampbell> then just reboot?
[08:41] <aaroncampbell> Or can I restart networking
[08:41] <fdoving> aaroncampbell: reboot is good if you can.
[08:42] <aaroncampbell> Nothing is critical yet...reboot it is
[08:42] <imamoomoocow> Hello all!
[08:42] <aaroncampbell> brb
[08:42] <imamoomoocow> i have a question
[08:43] <imamoomoocow> how do i install a program from a .bin?
[08:44] <[GuS] > imamoomoocow: you could use sh program.bin
[08:44] <[GuS] > or just give it execute permission
[08:44] <jpatrick> imamoomoocow: chmod +x program.bin && ./program.bin
[08:45] <imamoomoocow> ok ill try
[08:47] <imamoomoocow> ok the sh command says cannot open and the chmod doesn't say anything
[08:47] <soulrider> hi everyone =)
[08:48] <imamoomoocow> hi
[08:48] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: try doing ./program.com
[08:48] <imamoomoocow> in terminal?
[08:48] <cpk1> .bin even
[08:48] <joel> Hello everyone
[08:48] <soulrider> hi joel
[08:48] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: yeah in a terminal ./program.bin from the directory its in
[08:49] <soulrider> i didnt know cows could type :P
[08:49] <puppetmaster> hi everyone
[08:49] <soulrider> hi puppetmaster
[08:49] <soulrider> cpk1: do you know of any CLI programs to play MP3s ?
[08:49] <puppetmaster> how to upgrad my ubuntu 6.10 to 6.04?
[08:49] <soulrider> puppetmaster: you mean 7.04 ?
[08:49] <puppetmaster> 7.04
[08:49] <soulrider> ah
[08:49] <puppetmaster> yes
[08:49] <soulrider> its still beta, but its comming out in a few days
[08:49] <cpk1> mpg123 and mpg123-alsa soulrider
[08:50] <puppetmaster> So I sould wait?!
[08:50] <soulrider> like a week, you can upgrade or just wait
[08:50] <soulrider> yeah, id wait
[08:50] <puppetmaster> 6.10 is very great
[08:50] <soulrider> thanks cpk1, do they have some interface to manage several files or just one at a time ?
[08:50] <puppetmaster> but I'm having alot of problems
[08:50] <imamoomoocow> OK No such file in directory
[08:51] <soulrider> puppetmaster: like what ?
[08:51] <puppetmaster> suck as my multimedia support
[08:51] <puppetmaster> rm and rmvb works but the sound breaks up?
[08:51] <cpk1> soulrider: try mpd if you want playlists
[08:51] <soulrider> puppetmaster: did you install mp3 support, codecs and stuff like that ?
[08:51] <soulrider> oh, ok
[08:51] <puppetmaster> yes
[08:51] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: what does ls -l say about the .bin?
[08:52] <puppetmaster> I instaled vlc also
[08:52] <puppetmaster> it's great
[08:52] <soulrider> puppetmaster: and whata re the issues youre having ?
[08:52] <imamoomoocow> let me see
[08:52] <puppetmaster> but wmv files dowsn't work fine
[08:52] <joel> I am getting this error: http://sial.org/pbot/24176 everytime I try to compile SSL-Explore. Prior to install I installed via Adept the following: sun-java5-jdk and ant. What is going wrong?
[08:52] <cpk1> you need to install the w32 codecs puppetmaster
[08:52] <puppetmaster> I tried to find it
[08:52] <cpk1> !w32
[08:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <puppetmaster> but I didn't when I searched
[08:53] <puppetmaster> in the package manager
[08:53] <imamoomoocow> ok the -I command is not found
[08:53] <puppetmaster> Do U have a direct link my dear?
[08:54] <puppetmaster> R U there?
[08:54] <imamoomoocow> are you speaking to me?
[08:55] <cpk1> puppetmaster: wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb should work
[08:55] <puppetmaster> ok
[08:55] <puppetmaster> thanks
[08:55] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: from the directory the .bin is in you did 'ls -l' and it didnt work?
[08:56] <puppetmaster> Not Found
[08:56] <puppetmaster> Not Found
[08:56] <imamoomoocow> i typed "-I /home/justin/FretsOnFire/FretsOnFire.bin
[08:57] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: first, cd into /home/justin/FretsOnFire/ and then do ls -l
[08:57] <cpk1> puppetmaster: wget it
[08:57] <imamoomoocow> its not on a cd
[08:57] <puppetmaster> I found it
[08:57] <puppetmaster> Thank you alot
[08:57] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: cd means change directory
[08:57] <imamoomoocow> O ok
[08:58] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: so do 'cd /home/justin/FretsOnFire/'
[08:58] <MK_Mike> Is there a tool i can use in kde to enable xdmcp?
[08:58] <Psychodelica> hi all! can you help me? when i switch my power save option for monitor to 5 min - it works well. But when i reboot - it changed to default (5 hours)
[08:58] <imamoomoocow> ok directory changed
[08:59] <imamoomoocow> still no such command
[09:00] <imamoomoocow> wait command not found
[09:02] <imamoomoocow> oh well thatk you guys anyway
[09:02] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: ls -l is a command
[09:02] <PhinnFort> how can I see which process that's thrashing my harddrive?
[09:02] <PhinnFort> as in doing a lot of IO
[09:02] <puppetmaster> Where is the save folder to wget tool?
[09:02] <imamoomoocow> i don't know
[09:02] <PhinnFort> puppetmaster: which ever folder you're in, when you run it
[09:02] <puppetmaster> Desktop
[09:02] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: you are typing 'ls -l'?
[09:03] <soulrider> cpk1: i managed to runt he program but i dont know how to make it play music :P
[09:03] <puppetmaster> Will it be download it in it
[09:03] <puppetmaster> ?
[09:03] <PhinnFort> puppetmaster: type "pwd" where you ran "wget"
[09:03] <puppetmaster> ok
[09:03] <puppetmaster> thank you
[09:03] <imamoomoocow> no i type "filename" -I
[09:03] <cpk1> soulrider: which program?
[09:03] <soulrider> mpd
[09:03] <soulrider> the daemon runs and all, but i hear no music
[09:03] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: just type whats in the quotes here 'ls -l'
[09:04] <cpk1> yeah you have to configure it, but i've never used it so cant help you there =P
[09:04] <PhinnFort> soulrider: you need a client
[09:04] <soulrider> cpk1: maybe i cant play mp3s? =/
[09:04] <soulrider> PhinnFort: and where can i get one ?
[09:04] <PhinnFort> !qmpd
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <PhinnFort> !qmp
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <cpk1> i dont see why not, you can test using mpg123
[09:04] <PhinnFort> !find mpd
[09:04] <ubotu> Found: snmpd, glurp, gmpc, isakmpd, libmpd-dev (and 14 others)
[09:04] <imamoomoocow> ok still nothing
[09:04] <soulrider> PhinnFort: i dont have a GUI right now, and im on arch linux too
[09:04] <PhinnFort> !info kmp
[09:04] <ubotu> Package kmp does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:05] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: nothing? ls -l from the frets on fire directory returns nothing?
[09:05] <PhinnFort> soulrider: well, there's a NCurses client too
[09:05] <soulrider> name ?
[09:05] <PhinnFort> soulrider: don't remember...;)
[09:05] <soulrider> i just wanna play soem music while i install KDE :P
[09:05] <PhinnFort> but I'm pretty sure there's one
[09:05] <PhinnFort> soulrider: use mpg123
[09:05] <soulrider> ok
[09:05] <imamoomoocow> nope
[09:05] <PhinnFort> how's arch linux, btw?
[09:06] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: that would mean there is nothing in that directory
[09:06] <joel> I am getting this error: http://sial.org/pbot/24176 everytime I try to compile SSL-Explore. Prior to install I installed via Adept the following: sun-java5-jdk and ant. What is going wrong?
[09:06] <soulrider> PhinnFort: i kinda like it more than kubuntu
[09:06] <PhinnFort> soulrider: http://www.musicpd.org/clients.shtml
[09:06] <soulrider> its definately a lot faster
[09:06] <PhinnFort> soulrider: hmm
[09:06] <soulrider> but you ahve to install everything manually
[09:06] <imamoomoocow> i can see it in conqueror
[09:06] <soulrider> and the KDE is like the official distribution
[09:06] <PhinnFort> soulrider: I was choosing between Arch Linux and Kubuntu, after gentoo, but I found that *ubuntu had a much larger userbase
[09:06] <soulrider> so if you wanna instlal kopete you need to install half of KDE :P
[09:07] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: and you are positive you are in the right directory?
[09:07] <PhinnFort> soulrider: ncmpc - ncurses client
[09:07] <PhinnFort> soulrider: I might try it sometime;)
[09:07] <soulrider> PhinnFort: thats true
[09:07] <soulrider> an ive been on the arch IRC channel, some people are just plain rude
[09:07] <imamoomoocow> yes
[09:07] <soulrider> that doesnt happen here
[09:07] <imamoomoocow> but let me try to cd again
[09:07] <soulrider> community is a lot better if you ask me
[09:07] <PhinnFort> soulrider: that's what I noticed on their forums too
[09:07] <cpk1> imamoomoocow: to make sure this isnt a pebkac try doing just 'ls' from the directory
[09:07] <soulrider> so far ive managed to handle myself pretty well without help
[09:08] <PhinnFort> soulrider: someone was trying to develop a GUI tool to handle packages, and he was flamed into utter muttering
[09:08] <PhinnFort> soulrider: well, I don't think I would have any troubles, but I really like a friendly community;)
[09:08] <PhinnFort> !info ncmpc | soulrider
[09:08] <ubotu> soulrider: ncmpc: text based audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.1+svn-r3362-1 (edgy), package size 75 kB, installed size 332 kB
[09:08] <PhinnFort> it's a mpd frontend
[09:09] <PhinnFort> do you have it in arch linux?
[09:09] <imamoomoocow> arrrgh
[09:09] <imamoomoocow> i still in /bin/sh
[09:09] <soulrider> im trying that mpg123 one, it output some WEIRd stuff on my console! :P
[09:09] <PhinnFort> soulrider: it's a very basic, fast mp3-player
[09:09] <PhinnFort> soulrider: i think it has been forked into mp3blaster or something
[09:10] <PhinnFort> !info mp3blaster
[09:10] <ubotu> mp3blaster: Full-screen console mp3 and ogg vorbis player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.2.2-1 (edgy), package size 192 kB, installed size 640 kB
[09:10] <Black_Monkey> hi, I just went to "Run or Install Kubuntu" on the dvd, it froze on the splash screen for a while, and now I have a blank black screen :/
[09:10] <posingaspopular> Black5un: alt+ctrl+f7
[09:10] <imamoomoocow> oh well thanks bye
[09:11] <soulrider> PhinnFort: my font is alls crewed up int he console i ran mpg123
[09:11] <Black_Monkey> posingaspopular - do you mean me?
[09:11] <soulrider> its all weird squares and stuff
[09:11] <PhinnFort> soulrider: sounds bad
[09:11] <cpk1> guess he just didnt want to be helped
[09:11] <PhinnFort> soulrider: you need to reset the fonts somehow
[09:11] <posingaspopular> Black_Monkey: hit them all at the same time
[09:11] <ZiKO> bonjour
[09:11] <posingaspopular> that should get you to the dekstop
[09:11] <Black_Monkey> kk
[09:11] <tinyx> hola
[09:11] <ZiKO> quelqu'un peut m'apporter un coup de main please?
[09:11] <posingaspopular> unless im not understanding the problem
[09:11] <PhinnFort> soulrider: the easiest would be to reboot
[09:11] <posingaspopular> !fr
[09:11] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:11] <ZiKO> thnx
[09:12] <Black_Monkey> the desktop? I haven't installed kubuntu yet, I've just booted the install dvd
[09:12] <soulrider> PhinnFort:  ncmpc is fabulous!! :P
[09:12] <PhinnFort> great;)
[09:12] <cpk1> soulrider: mpg123 is pretty simple you shouldnt get any problems with it...
[09:13] <PhinnFort> cpk1: it has been forked into/replaced by mp3blaster, afaik
[09:13] <PhinnFort> soulrider: try "sudo /etc/init.d/console-setup restart" in the b0rked terminal
[09:13] <hak5fan> Hi. After I applied some uppdates to ubuntu (sudo apt-get update && suo apt-get upgrade) Wine suddenly stopped working.
[09:13] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: elaborate
[09:13] <hak5fan> When I try to run any wine ap it restarts the x server
[09:13] <homero> hola a todos
[09:14] <homero> saludos desde granada
[09:14] <hak5fan> btw I hit enter to early
[09:14] <cpk1> well when i trouble shoot or am not in X i use mpg123 =P
[09:14] <posingaspopular> !es
[09:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:14] <PhinnFort> cpk1: ;)
[09:14] <soulrider> PhinnFort: still screwed =/
[09:14] <homero> ok
[09:14] <PhinnFort> cpk1: try mp3blaster sometime
[09:14] <homero> gracias
[09:14] <posingaspopular> Black_Monkey: mm beats me
[09:14] <hak5fan> I don
[09:14] <soulrider> i really love how you can do all sorts of stuff from a simple console!
[09:14] <hak5fan> 't know what to do...
[09:15] <PhinnFort> soulrider: the console pretty much owns
[09:15] <PhinnFort> :D
[09:15] <Black_Monkey> oh wait, when I installed FC5 a year or so ago, I had to use "ide=nodma" when installing... could it be the same problem?
[09:15] <soulrider> yeah
[09:15] <cpk1> hak5fan: go back to an older wine version
[09:15] <soulrider> PhinnFort: right now i wanna get a 100mhz PC and see what i cna do with it :P
[09:15] <PhinnFort> soulrider: i'm pretty much shooting in the dark, but try "sudo /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart" too, if you want
[09:15] <hak5fan> i've tried that.. It didn't work
[09:15] <PhinnFort> soulrider: try DeLi linux in that case
[09:15] <PhinnFort> soulrider: that way you'll get Xorg and everything;)
[09:16] <niles> hi
[09:16] <niles> anyone run ogle?
[09:16] <soulrider> PhinnFort: deli brings xorg ?
[09:16] <PhinnFort> soulrider: yes, for old computers
[09:16] <PhinnFort> 8mb ram, 486's, etc.
[09:16] <soulrider> awesome!
[09:17] <PhinnFort> ;=
[09:17] <PhinnFort> *;)
[09:17] <PhinnFort> http://delili.lens.hl-users.com/
[09:17] <soulrider> PhinnFort: i get some error when i do the second command :P but i cant really tell what it is ^_^
[09:17] <esaym> how do you remove a package and ALL of the config files with it?
[09:17] <livingtm> Can I turn on font smoothing for Gnome apps when in KDE?
[09:17] <PhinnFort> soulrider: :P
[09:17] <PhinnFort> soulrider: you probably have other init scripts in Arch Linux
[09:18] <soulrider> im gonna go on to try to install KDEmod on Arch :P
[09:18] <cpk1> can you not even log out of that terminal?
[09:18] <soulrider> yeah
[09:18] <PhinnFort> soulrider: ctrl+d
[09:18] <soulrider> but it stays screwed
[09:18] <PhinnFort> but I doubt it will fix itself
[09:18] <soulrider> didnt
[09:18] <PhinnFort> it needs to reload the bitmaps for the font or something
[09:18] <cpk1> soulrider: try watching videos with mplayer and -vo caca
[09:18] <soulrider> only thing i can understand is "ARCH" at the top :P its no big deal anyways
[09:19] <cpk1> if you want to have fun in terminal
[09:19] <soulrider> i need to install mplayer
[09:19] <PhinnFort> soulrider: in case you want to screw up a terminal like that again, try "cat /dev/urandom"
[09:19] <PhinnFort> :D
[09:19] <cpk1> you might need to get libcaca too soulrider
[09:19] <PhinnFort> soulrider: you probably need -hardframedrop or similar too
[09:19] <PhinnFort> if i remember correctly, it would be pretty laggy otherwise
[09:19] <soulrider> holy crap
[09:19] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: I don't suppose you have some great solution to my probelm then. Am thinking of reinstalling and trying gentoo to learn more about linux, and yes I know it's difficult to use
[09:20] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: use Arch Linux or something instead
[09:20] <PhinnFort> :D
[09:20] <soulrider> wth
[09:20] <soulrider> its alls crewed
[09:20] <soulrider> irssi too
[09:20] <soulrider> and my PC makes starnge njouses
[09:20] <soulrider> BRB
[09:20] <soulrider> reboot!
[09:20] <PhinnFort> heh
[09:20] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: what's so special about arch?
[09:20] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: if you don't have a very fast computer, compiling everything from source is rather painstaking slow
[09:20] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: the devs hate ease-of-use;)
[09:20] <PhinnFort> as far as i can tell
[09:21] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: afaik, arch linux is more or less gentoo, without compiling everything
[09:21] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: lol. My computer is fast. 2.8 ghz 1 gb ram...
[09:21] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: dual core?
[09:21] <Black_Monkey> hmm... when installing FC5, I got a command prompt, where I had to type "linux ide=nodma" - how do I get to this in kubuntu? It won't work without the ide=nodma
[09:21] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: you could try, but I would still recommend Arch linux;)
[09:21] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: nah I no that would be better but know dual core...
[09:22] <soulrider> holy crap!
[09:22] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: know*
[09:22] <PhinnFort> Black_Monkey: it's a key that says "additional" something
[09:22] <PhinnFort> soulrider: ?
[09:22] <soulrider> my console just went NUTS!
[09:22] <PhinnFort> how fun
[09:22] <PhinnFort> :P
[09:22] <soulrider> and my PC started beeping
[09:22] <Black_Monkey> PhinnFort - ah ok, thanks
[09:22] <soulrider> OUT OF CONTROL!
[09:22] <soulrider> thena ll my consoles went nuts
[09:22] <PhinnFort> soulrider: did the caps/scroll lock blink?
[09:22] <soulrider> but i managed to type 'reboot' as root :P
[09:22] <soulrider> didnt check
[09:22] <PhinnFort> :P
[09:22] <hak5fan> PhinnFort: I want to try gentoo to learn and be 1337..
[09:22] <PhinnFort> that means that the kernel panics, afaik
[09:23] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: Arch Linux is 1337
[09:23] <soulrider> that was like, the freakiest thing that ever happened to me
[09:23] <soulrider> hak5fan: you better have a fast PC, because your gonna have to compile everything
[09:23] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: but try both;)
[09:23] <soulrider> its a bit ridiculous IMHO
[09:23] <soulrider> i never managed to get gentoo installed properly
[09:24] <PhinnFort> well, I did, and had it for 2 years, but I got tired of endless compiling
[09:24] <comosicus> my cd does not whant to get out of my comp....what shoud i do?
[09:24] <PhinnFort> comosicus: go to "media:/" in the file manager, and right click on the CD-ROM and "Eject"
[09:25] <PhinnFort> comosicus: or hit ALT+F2, and type in "eject" and hit enter
[09:25] <comosicus> done that////////nothing
[09:25] <PhinnFort> comosicus: type "eject -f" then
[09:25] <comosicus> with alt.......i will try
[09:25] <soulrider> PhinnFort: i didnt know that eject command, its awesome! ::P
[09:25] <PhinnFort> soulrider: ;)
[09:25] <comosicus> thanks
[09:25] <PhinnFort> yw;)
[09:27] <comosicus> yap
[09:27] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: before you decide about Gentoo, please look at the following, and make sure you want it for the right reasons: http://web.archive.org/web/20060513022941/http://www.funroll-loops.org/
[09:27] <soulrider> hak5fan: im using archlinux, its cool, its fast, but the community is not too good IMHO, *buntu community is much better
[09:27] <comosicus> it  solved it
[09:27] <PhinnFort> comosicus: great;)
[09:27] <comosicus> thanks
[09:27] <PhinnFort> you're welcome;)
[09:28] <soulrider> PhinnFort: im gonna see the damn KDE will run :P
[09:28] <PhinnFort> ;)
[09:28] <PhinnFort> good luck
[09:30] <riddick-smash> hi everyone
[09:30] <soulrider> PhinnFort: hallelujaahhh :P
[09:30] <soulrider> hi riddick-smash
[09:30] <PhinnFort> soulrider: :D
[09:30] <soulrider> gosh, i hate those KDE sounds
[09:30] <soulrider> except the broken window one
[09:31] <PhinnFort> soulrider: I heard (pun intended) that the Oxygen artwork team is making something better for KDE 4
[09:31] <soulrider> oooohhhh, interesting
[09:31] <PhinnFort> I agree that the ones default in KDE 3 sounds like crap, though;)
[09:32] <soulrider> PhinnFort: the KDE in KDEmod has been modified a bit, it looks nice
[09:32] <PhinnFort> soulrider: how so?
[09:32] <soulrider> it doesnt have too much stuff in the repos though
[09:32] <soulrider> like,t he kmenu is all different
[09:32] <soulrider> i think the borrowed it from suse
[09:32] <PhinnFort> kickoff?
[09:32] <soulrider> the only thing i liked form suse when i tried it was that 'my computer' icon thing
[09:32] <soulrider> yeah, kickoff
[09:33] <Mirv> hi. is there a default compiz configuration tool in Kubuntu 7.04 that is installed by default? like there's System->Properties->Desktop Effects on the Ubuntu side of things?
[09:33] <davidr_> hello everyone
[09:33] <soulrider> hi davidr_
[09:34] <soulrider> PhinnFort: i dont like it much, its flashy and nice, but annoying to use =/
[09:34] <niles> what dvd player provides angle selection ?
[09:34] <Mirv> or if not, what would be the easisest to use compiz configurator for KDE in 7.04 that can be installed?
[09:34] <excitatory_> Mirv, well, you'll receive better help in #ubuntu-effects, but i know for me (using beryl/aigxl/kde/feisty) all the appropriate config options are in the kmenu.
[09:34] <PhinnFort> soulrider: it isn't kbfx, then?
[09:34] <davidr_> Hi, I've come here wondering whether anyone knew anything of a USB lock-up problem with ubuntu/kubuntu on SiS USB hubs (which I'm experiencing)
[09:35] <niles> so far i have not found a player that provides angle selection
[09:35] <Mirv> excitatory_: ah, ok. just asking the basic stuff since I don't have Kubuntu handy atm. So they are in the KDE's Control Center, even straight after installation?
[09:35] <soulrider> PhinnFort: kbfx ?
[09:36] <Mirv> but I'll ask there
[09:36] <excitatory_> Mirv, well, i've never used compiz, i'm more of a beryl fan.. for me the beryl-manager and emerald themer are in the Systems and Settings menu, respectively.
[09:37] <Mirv> excitatory_: yeah, okay. well those at least are installed separately. and they rock indeed, I'm just interested at the out-of-the-box options.
[09:37] <PhinnFort> !info kbfx | soulrider
[09:37] <ubotu> soulrider: kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.1+20060611cvs-1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[09:37] <excitatory_> Mirv, all i did was install feisty, then beryl, and it worked after a log out cycle.
[09:39] <Zoohouse> When it says "Find the Java installation Dir" how do I go about looking that up???
[09:41] <soulrider> Zoohouse: /usr/bin/java ? what do you need that for ?
[09:42] <swanfl> I'm trying to download and install real player. when I try to emerge it it reports it can't find the file. suggestions?
[09:43] <pia_pipi> hola
[09:44] <Zoohouse> soulrider: I need to set that dir into a var then that var is used in a path so that I can install SSL-Explorer
[09:45] <livingdaylight> haro
[09:45] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with gfceu?
[09:45] <livingdaylight> i need to install a new os, should i wait or can i go ahead with feisty?
[09:46] <livingdaylight> is feisty nearly ready?
[09:46] <SharpRazor> go ahead:)
[09:46] <soulrider> swanfl: to emerge it? this is ubuntu not gentoo
[09:47] <soulrider> livingdaylight: its comming out in a week
[09:47] <soulrider> or supposed to at least
[09:47] <swanfl> oh sorry, wrong channel
[09:47] <swanfl> oops
[09:47] <soulrider> lol swanfl
[09:47] <livingdaylight> soulrider : should i wait or can i just go ahead already?
[09:47] <livingdaylight> i don't know what to do
[09:48] <soulrider> livingdaylight: i think its ok if you go ahead, but what *I* am gonna do is wait until it comes out and do a fresh install, also because im getting a new computer :P
[09:48] <soulrider> livingdaylight: are there any other distros you wanna try ?
[09:48] <soulrider> maybe you can try another distro until feisty is out
[09:48] <soulrider> and then just reinstall
[09:48] <soulrider> or you can wait and upgrade
[09:48] <soulrider> or upgrade now
[09:48] <dromer> hi all, does anybody know a program that's even remotely compatible with mathcad? I'm trying to open a .mcd-file with a couple plots of formulae, but I don't know how I could ..
[09:49] <soulrider> dromer: the other day i tried a program, but i dont know if its compatible and i cant remember the name
[09:49] <soulrider> hold on a sec
[09:49] <livingdaylight> soulrider : no coz i need to install a bigger hard drive, and don't wanna install an os and then install another one
[09:49] <soulrider> dromer: it was GNU plot or something
[09:49] <dromer> soulrider: haha, oh ok .. I'll search some more ..
[09:49] <soulrider> livingdaylight: can you install one now ?
[09:50] <livingdaylight> soulrider : what other os would you recommend?
[09:51] <dromer> soulrider: I doubt it could open .mcd
[09:51] <livingdaylight> is Etch ready yet?
[09:51] <soulrider> livingdaylight: yeah
[09:51] <zouzou> hi
[09:51] <soulrider> livingdaylight: if you can install one maybe just download a feisty CD and install ?
[09:52] <soulrider> livingdaylight: im not a big fan of upgrades, id rather do a fresh install
[09:52] <soulrider> but thats me, i guess ebcause of my dark windows days :P
[09:52] <livingdaylight> soulrider: i want to do a fresh install too, just don't know how ready Feisty is yet?
[09:52] <chunter> It took a long time before I could get upgrades to work...  btw, I'm having trouble getting arts to talk to dmix
[09:52] <soulrider> livingdaylight: its comming out in a week so id say pretty ready :P but i guess they will still be ironing some bugs
[09:53] <soulrider> livingdaylight: i think its probably safe to install
[09:53] <zouzou> guys, is the llive cd slow on amd athlon64?
[09:53] <lumpofcheese> I'm running the Edgy live cd on amd athlon 64 right now, not too bad
[09:54] <lumpofcheese> slowed down by the fact that I'm installing kubuntu at the moment...
[09:54] <chunter> zouzou:  Live CD is slow in general, because it must be loaded from CD
[09:54] <ks3> i've been running feisty for a week or so with no big problems, but ymmv
[09:55] <SeveredCross> Anyone have problems with the Live CD not booting?
[09:55] <zouzou> but you are runing the liev 86-64 right?
[09:55] <lumpofcheese> SeveredCross: yeah, but putting "ide=nodma" in the bootline fixed it for me
[09:55] <SeveredCross> Hmm. Okay, will try that. Be back in a few
[09:55] <lumpofcheese> zouzou - oh, I'm running the i386 version actually...
[09:55] <SeveredCross> Actually.
[09:55] <SeveredCross> Wait--my problem is with KDM not starting when it should.
[09:56] <SeveredCross> Everything else up to that point goes okay, then KDM tries to start and dies.
[09:56] <lumpofcheese> oh right, that won't solve it then
[09:56] <SeveredCross> I tried safe graphics mode, changing resolutions, mucking about with the bootline and nothing helped.
[09:56] <soulrider> SeveredCross: i cant make it run on my installation either :P
[09:56] <SeveredCross> I mean, I could use the alternate CD, it's not a big deal, but I'd like to use the Live CD.
[09:57] <lumpofcheese> SeveredCross: tried using gdm?
[09:57] <dromer> !emacs
[09:57] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[09:57] <SeveredCross> From the LIve CD?
[09:57] <lumpofcheese> oh, sorry, ignore me >_>
[09:57] <SeveredCross> :-D
[09:57] <SeveredCross> That's okay--I'll just download the alternate install.
[09:57] <chijin> !html
[09:57] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[09:57] <zouzou> live*
[09:58] <SharpRazor> is there any program like Norton PartitionMagic for Linx??
[09:58] <SeveredCross> QtParted?
[09:58] <SeveredCross> Or GParted if you will.
[09:58] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: Yeah, it's on the live CD.
[09:58] <SharpRazor> tahnks
[09:58] <SharpRazor> thanks
[09:58] <SharpRazor> jhutchins
[09:58] <SharpRazor> You know
[09:59] <SharpRazor> I still have problems with that F*****g disk
[09:59] <SharpRazor> weird thing
[09:59] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: I would expect so, bad hardware doesn't tend to get better.
[09:59] <SharpRazor> i formatted it with Norton
[09:59] <SharpRazor> should be one partition
[09:59] <SharpRazor> Linux shows two
[10:00] <ScarFreewill1> whats that installer pkg called on the livecd?
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> ubiquity
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc
[10:00] <ScarFreewill1> thx Admiral_Chicago
[10:01] <cheeseboy> how do i remove all old kernels?
[10:02] <jhutchins> SharpRazor: Are you the one with the Ontrack disk?
[10:02] <kubuntu_newbie> reading wireless manpages, i've found how to input the encryption key, but it says to put it in in hexadecimal. What does this mean?
[10:02] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get remove <kernel>
[10:02] <cheeseboy> how do ilist them?
[10:02] <lumpofcheese> ah... what was that page which shows a bunch of stuff for setting stuff up after install, like setting up extra repos, extra codecs, nvidia drivers, etc?
[10:03] <ks3> kubuntu_newbie: it's going to be a string of characters - 0-9 and a-f
[10:03] <ks3> kubuntu_newbie: if you don't know it, you can probably find it on your wireless access point
[10:03] <jhutchins> cheeseboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[10:03] <cheeseboy> i know howb to use apt
[10:03] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: Where are you entering the key?
[10:04] <jhutchins> cheeseboy: If you knew how to use apt, you'd know how to query it for a list of installed kernels.
[10:04] <SeveredCross> Wheee jigdo.
[10:04] <ScarFreewill1> my one hdd is damaged i think is there any scans that i can run to see if it is working ?
[10:04] <jhutchins> cheeseboy: You'd also know how to remove them.
[10:04] <fermi> cheeseboy: use Adept
[10:04] <SeveredCross> ScarFreewill1, fsck?
[10:04] <SeveredCross> Well, what's the filesystem?
[10:04] <SeveredCross> fsck will check Linux filesystems, you need other tools to check other filesystems.
[10:05] <ScarFreewill1> ntfs
[10:05] <jhutchins> dosfsck, iirc.
[10:05] <ks3> ScarFreewill1: if you're looking to check the hardware of the drive itself, check out smartd
[10:05] <SeveredCross> There's chkntfs I think
[10:05] <jhutchins> ScarFreewill1: Are you the one with disk that has Ontrak on it?
[10:05] <ScarFreewill1> ok
[10:05] <SeveredCross> You need to sudo apt-get install ntfstools
[10:05] <ScarFreewill1> jhutchins: no
[10:06] <jhutchins> ScarFreewill1: ntfs part that shows up as vfat?
[10:06] <ScarFreewill1> nop
[10:06] <jhutchins> ScarFreewill1: Or the one who is trying to recover a lost partition?
[10:06] <ScarFreewill1> nope sorry
[10:07] <jhutchins> Well, sorry, I don't remember I guess.
[10:07] <ksnipa> not sure whether this is an xgl, berly or kde, basically when I load up in xgl, I find that the whole gnome thing loads and then kde kind of loads up on top of it, so its almost as if I'm running kde on top of gnome, I also go have beryl going so don't know whats going on, any help would be well helpful :)
[10:07] <ScarFreewill1> a lot of hdd problems i guess
[10:09] <ScarFreewill1> i can't wait for some kde4 app to run on windows too
[10:09] <jhutchins> ksnipa: Sounds like the normal beryl disaster to me, you can check in #ubuntu-effects.
[10:09] <ksnipa> thanks jhutchins
[10:10] <soulrider> is there a way i can hide a meny formt he kmenu but not actually delete it ?
[10:10] <kubuntu_newbie> jhutchins in kwiwfimanager
[10:10] <kubuntu_newbie> *kwifi
[10:11] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: Isn't there a checkbox that says "ascii"?
[10:11] <Yorokobi> soulrider, right click the K, choose Menu Editor
[10:12] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: It's odd, but the easiest ascii - hex conversion I know is to set the key with iwconfig.
[10:12] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: I used that to set the key in ascii, then read it back in hex so I could paste it into a hex-only setting box (for my router).
[10:13] <what_if> I installed kcmppureftpd, but it is not in the control center? what gives ?
[10:13] <what_if> no kcmp* that I installed are there
[10:14] <fdoving> what_if: you can use 'kcmshell list|more' in a konsole, then 'kcmshell <kcmsomething from the list>'
[10:15] <what_if> fdoving: kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'list'
[10:15] <Yorokobi> what_if, kcmshell --list | less
[10:15] <Yorokobi> because less is more
[10:15] <what_if> :)
[10:15] <what_if> Yorokobi: more or less ;)
[10:15] <lumpofcheese> installed! Ok, here goes, first boot...
[10:15] <Yorokobi> exactly
[10:16] <SeveredCross> ln -s /bin/more /bin/less
[10:16] <cheeseboy> http://pastebin.ca/436942 how do i fix it?
[10:16] <SeveredCross> Bah. Jigdo-ing the image for the alternate CD still takes a while even though I provided the Live CD as a source of packages.
[10:16] <kubuntu_newbie> i have the web key but when i put it in kwifimanager it fails, the AP is being detected, but it won't let linux get an ip, windows laptops are all working fine with private ip's
[10:17] <kubuntu_newbie> wep*
[10:18] <divansantana> why not try wireless assistant?
[10:18] <divansantana> works fine for me using WEP
[10:18] <divansantana> which kubuntu version?
[10:18] <kubuntu_newbie> i have edgy 6.1
[10:19] <divansantana> feisty uses the newer knetworkmanager
[10:20] <kubuntu_newbie> looking again, in the menu, it says wireless assistant
[10:20] <kubuntu_newbie> so yes thats what is being used
[10:20] <divansantana> yes try wireless assistant
[10:20] <divansantana> you said kwifi manager
[10:20] <kubuntu_newbie> that is what i am using, sorry, i got it wrong
[10:20] <divansantana> o whats the problem?
[10:20] <bobber> hi! can i install the newest ati driver 8.35.3 in kubuntu 7.04? do they support it?
[10:21] <divansantana> o i see what u wrote
[10:21] <bobber> i heard something of a wrong kernel version for the ati driver?
[10:21] <divansantana> can't u manually give an static IP and try ping once trying to connect to network?
[10:22] <kubuntu_newbie> divansantana in the list it says wireless assistant but when i click on it, the program that comes up says kwifi manager
[10:22] <Admiral_Chicago> bobber: you'll get a better answer in #ubuntu+1
[10:22] <divansantana> mine is set to open system and my key  is 128 bit wep key
[10:22] <bobber> okay i'll give a try
[10:22] <divansantana> without ascii ticket connecting to linksys with dhcp and it works
[10:22] <divansantana> sometimes gives bit of trouble
[10:23] <divansantana> then go to run and type wirelessassistant
[10:23] <divansantana> sorry rather wlassistant
[10:23] <divansantana> maybe go to run and do a "kdesu wlassistant"
[10:24] <kubuntu_newbie> divansantana it is set to open system but there is no setting for how many bits the key is
[10:24] <kubuntu_newbie> ascii is ticked
[10:25] <kubuntu_newbie> tried without ascii ticked as well, still same
[10:27] <kubuntu_newbie> kdesu wlassistant    says  cannot connect to X server
[10:27] <dromer> hmm, I have no idea what has happened, but my printer doesn't work anymore :S
[10:28] <dromer> oo.org sends the info alright, but the printer doesn't do anything
[10:28] <posingaspopular> dromer: what have you broken recently?
[10:28] <divansantana> and without kdesu ?
[10:28] <dromer> posingaspopular: afaik nothing :P
[10:28] <kubuntu_newbie> divansantana same error
[10:28] <posingaspopular> printing is handled by CUPS iirc
[10:28] <posingaspopular> that's about all i know
[10:30] <divansantana> think u should maybe remove kwifi manager
[10:30] <divansantana> and then maybe try reinstall wireless assistant
[10:30] <divansantana> or maybe try put the wifi settings in systemsettings network
[10:30] <kubuntu_newbie> divansantana ok, i got that to work now,, my fault,, but that is the same program i have been using
[10:32] <dromer> damnit, I really need to print :S I used my printer (HP DJ 690c) just last week :/
[10:34] <divansantana> kubuntu_newbie: how what did u do?
[10:34] <dromer> hmm, I get: client-error-not-possible   when trying to print a testpage
[10:36] <kubuntu_newbie> divansantana i was su'd in the terminal, didn't realise,,, sorry for the delays, having to go to the other computer to try things
[10:36] <divansantana> kewl ciao
[10:40] <dromer> yay, printer works again, apperantly the wrong printer was selected :S (which is understandable considering the "wrong" printer was called HP_DEskjet_690c and the 'right' printer is called tp0 :/ )
[10:40] <kubuntu_newbie> i've just tried configuring my wifi in system settings - network, and am getting the same thing as with the other program, says connection failed and has a red cross was next to wlan0. then it changed to a green tick but still no network access
[10:40] <kubuntu_newbie> can anyone help?
[10:41] <chemisus> !disks
[10:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:41] <kubuntu_newbie> i have it set to ascii and the propper wep key is input, still nothing
[10:41] <chemisus> !DiskMounter
[10:41] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[10:42] <chemisus> !fstab
[10:42] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[10:42] <kubuntu_newbie> wireless access works fine on that machine in the "other" operating system
[10:42] <chemisus> is there a way to find out the model number of a hard drive in kubuntu?
[10:42] <cheeseboy> error while loading shared libraries: liballeg-3.9.34.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <chemisus> without opening up the computer =P
[10:42] <cheeseboy> how do i fix?
[10:43] <Jaxster> Is there anyway to burn an image of how I have everything set up so I can reformat and install to new hd without reconfiguring everything again?
[10:43] <posingaspopular> Jaxster: yes
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> 17:19:26
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> `  ` _   :) EvGeNiY :)  `  ` _ 
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> cxar gnome estas iomete malnova
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> 17:19:38
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> `  ` _   :) EvGeNiY :)  `  ` _ 
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> 17:19:26
[10:43] <ewgeni90_> `  ` _   :) EvGeNiY :)  `  ` _ 
[10:44] <ewgeni90_> cxar gnome estas iomete malnova
[10:44] <ewgeni90_> 17:19:38
[10:44] <ewgeni90_> `  ` _   :) EvGeNiY :)  `  ` _ 
[10:44] <ewgeni90_> gg
[10:44] <kubuntu_newbie> help?
[10:44] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: whats the issue?
[10:44] <ewgeni90_> pardon
[10:44] <Jaxster> how?
[10:44] <posingaspopular> Jaxster: you have to google it, i forget how
[10:44] <Jaxster> the Backup System Keep dealy?
[10:44] <Jaxster> k
[10:45] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular i'm trying to connect kubuntu to my wireless access point, it sees the access point, i have put the key in but the connection fails
[10:45] <posingaspopular> did you check out the wifi doc page?
[10:45] <posingaspopular> i have never used wireless before
[10:45] <posingaspopular> wireless imean, not wifi
[10:46] <kubuntu_newbie> i've read up quite a bit on google to just get to this point, i don't know if i read the doc page though
[10:46] <posingaspopular> !wireless
[10:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:46] <kubuntu_newbie> thanks
[10:47] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: ping me if you still need help later
[10:48] <Sanne> chemisus: I can see the model number of my seagate hd in KSystemLog (Menu -> System -> KSystemLog). Choose Log/System Log in the menu there and filter for hda or sda or whatever device you want to look for.
[10:49] <cheeseboy> >:{
[10:49] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular ok ty
[10:49] <arrinmurr> is it a known problem that sometimes firefox renders websites blank (grey) until the firefox window is resized? and is there a way to fix this?
[10:49] <cheeseboy> no nes emulators for linux work
[10:51] <Sanne> chemisus: hmm, I don't see it for my sata disk, only for my ide. I bet there's an easier way, though ;)
[10:51] <arrinmurr> cheeseboy: fceu?
[10:53] <cheeseboy> same as gfceu just kno gui
[10:53] <cheeseboy> athena
[10:53] <athena> yes?
[10:53] <arrinmurr> cheeseboy: and it doesn't work?
[10:53] <cheeseboy> hi
[10:53] <cheeseboy> it works just isnt good
[10:54] <excitatory_> is there a way to probe ones keyboard in order to figure out a way to configure these three 'special' buttons i have?  (it's a generic keyboard, with fancy 'sleep', 'wake up', and 'power' buttons.  i would like to configure them as volume keys for amarok)
[10:54] <sonic> having fonts issues in KDE.  I used "apt-get autoremove" and now my fonts are tiny and look terrible. Ive been trying to find the package that was removed, but since I didnt use synaptic, I cant be sure which one.  Is there a history file for apt-get?  these fonts unbearable
[10:56] <Sanne> sonic: you can look into /var/log/dpkg.log, the last apt/dpkg actions should be in there.
[10:57] <SubOne> Is there any way to do something like this: http://www.subonedesign.com/aerial.png in KDE or am I goign to have to edit the source for kicker?
[10:59] <Sanne> SubOne: I know you can at least have a custom background image for kicker.
[10:59] <chemisus> Sanne: tried it, but doesnt show anything. thanks though
[11:00] <SubOne> Is there any replacement apps for kicker out there or will I have to make my own, because I see no way to do this, which is upsetting.
[11:00] <Sanne> chemisus: let me try another thing, sec
[11:04] <Sanne> chemisus: I have the app hddtemp installed to get temperature info for my drives. I get both model numbers when I invoke it, example: /dev/sda: ST3160812AS:  29C or F
[11:05] <Sanne> chemisus: it's in universe, in case you want to try: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/utils/hddtemp
[11:06] <chemisus> Sanne: will try it, thanks
[11:07] <Sanne> chemisus: you're welcome
[11:10] <Daisuke_Ido> with feisty set to release in a week, you would think there would be wine packages.  but noooo
[11:10] <SubOne> looks like i'm making a kicker replacement app
[11:11] <Daisuke_Ido> can i get a "YAY!" for reinventing the wheel?
[11:13] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: wine packages would certainly be nice ...
[11:14] <Daisuke_Ido> dwidmann: at this point i'd settle for tequila :)
[11:14] <dwidmann> haha, that works too
[11:14] <chemicalvamp> whats the minimize all shortcut?
[11:15] <Daisuke_Ido> click the minimize button on each window.  it's not really a shortcut, but it *is* fairly reliable
[11:15] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular i've run through the steps there but when it gets to ifup i'm getting errors
[11:16] <Sanne> chemisus: do you have a sata  or ide hard disk?
[11:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i suppose you could also try super+M
[11:16] <chemicalvamp> Daisuke_Ido im looking for a short-cut for minimzing a fullscreen window.. alt-tab doesnt work
[11:16] <kubuntu_newbie> rt61pci->rt61pci_init_bbp:error-bbp register access failed, aborting
[11:17] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: hmmm
[11:17] <posingaspopular> link to the page?
[11:17] <kubuntu_newbie> rt61pci->rt61pci_enable_radio:error - register initialisation failed
[11:18] <kubuntu_newbie> SIOCSIFFLAGS: input/output error
[11:18] <posingaspopular> hang on
[11:18] <kubuntu_newbie> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 802
[11:18] <posingaspopular> !wireless
[11:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:18] <kubuntu_newbie> 801 sorry
[11:20] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular: this is the page that was given me earlier - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:20] <v6lur> hi all, how can one connect cell phone to laptop using irda? running edgy, phone is some ericsson...
[11:21] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular yeah that one
[11:21] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: yea i know, i mean, which subpage
[11:22] <Sanne> chemisus: hdparm also gives this info, e.g.: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[11:22] <alex__> hi all!
[11:23] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting
[11:23] <alex__> i have kubuntu installed on my pc, it's possible to install a dessktop server?
[11:23] <Sanne> chemisus: or: 'cat /proc/ide/hda/model' and 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'
[11:23] <alex__> vnco or similar
[11:23] <chemisus> Sanne: i have sata, and the hddtemp worked
[11:24] <Sanne> chemisus: just to humor me, please try: cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:24] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: you're using knetworkmanager right?
[11:24] <chemisus> Sanne: shows it also =)
[11:25] <Sanne> chemisus: cool, then that would be the 'official' way, I think ;)
[11:25] <Sanne> chemisus: I'll stop bugging you now with my solutions ;)
[11:25] <alex__> help please!
[11:26] <alex__> i would like to conect to my kde desktop from my windows xp pc, for example
[11:26] <alex__> and from my other linux pcs
[11:26] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular was using wireless assistant
[11:26] <kubuntu_newbie> am now using the command line
[11:27] <posingaspopular> so you're hangin at $ sudo ifup <ath0>
[11:27] <posingaspopular> that command?
[11:27] <kubuntu_newbie> i've checked the logs on the AP and there is nothing in them about that machine
[11:27] <kubuntu_newbie> yes
[11:28] <kubuntu_newbie> ifup works fine but don't get an ip address
[11:28] <posingaspopular> according to the docs, it is most likely a driver issue
[11:28] <kubuntu_newbie> and get those errors
[11:28] <kubuntu_newbie> i don't know what to do now
[11:28] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular but lspci is showing the correct drivers
[11:29] <kubuntu_newbie> i checked the card model on the internet and the driver is the one it says i should be using
[11:30] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: hmm did you try knetworkmanager
[11:30] <posingaspopular> iirc kubuntu has like 4 different network managers
[11:31] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular there is no knetworkmanager
[11:31] <posingaspopular> whattt?!?
[11:32] <posingaspopular> this is news to me
[11:32] <kubuntu_newbie> just looked in the menu's and tried it in a term
[11:33] <v6lur> kubuntu_newbie: try running command knetworkmanager "manually"
[11:33] <kubuntu_newbie> both the other methods i have tried are the same, i can see the access point fine, but there is no response when i try to enable it
[11:33] <kubuntu_newbie> v6lur i just said that
[11:33] <v6lur> e.g from konsole
[11:33] <intelikey> i did passwd -dl root    and i can still login as root without even a passwd prompt via getty      >:] 
[11:33] <kubuntu_newbie> just looked in the menu's and tried it in a term
[11:35] <kubuntu_newbie> whereis knetworkmanager shows nothing
[11:36] <v6lur> then perhaps $ sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:36] <v6lur> ?
[11:36] <kubuntu_newbie> v6lur i don't have the ability to do that
[11:36] <posingaspopular> nah it's just network manager
[11:36] <posingaspopular> but the kde front
[11:36] <kubuntu_newbie> don't have a cd and no internet
[11:36] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: how are you on irc?
[11:36] <kubuntu_newbie> through a windows machine
[11:37] <kubuntu_newbie> i can't get anything to that box
[11:37] <posingaspopular> ahh okay
[11:37] <kubuntu_newbie> don't see why the others wouldn't work fine anyway
[11:37] <lumpofcheese> hi, I just installed Automatix2, and when I got to run it, it says that Adept is running, and to close adept and restart automatix - but adept isn't running :/
[11:37] <kubuntu_newbie> seems to me to be related to those errors, wouldn't you agree?
[11:38] <intelikey> !automatix | lumpofcheese
[11:38] <ubotu> lumpofcheese: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:38] <lumpofcheese> oh, ok
[11:38] <v6lur> lumpofcheese, sure adept didn't crash?
[11:38] <lumpofcheese> yeah
[11:39] <v6lur> (or something - that is, is defunct, but still "running")
[11:39] <lumpofcheese> can you recommend any other program for installing codecs, firefox plugins, nvidia driver, etc?
[11:39] <kubuntu_newbie> i have a cd that came with the card that has debian folder on it
[11:39] <kubuntu_newbie> is that any use?
[11:40] <intelikey> !easyubuntu | lumpofcheese
[11:40] <v6lur> lumpofcheese: you could do it from adept, once you have nessecary repos enabled
[11:40] <ubotu> lumpofcheese: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[11:40] <intelikey> !codecs | lumpofcheese
[11:40] <ubotu> lumpofcheese: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:40] <kubuntu_newbie> rt61stav1000_k2.6.8-2-386_debian31.tar.gz   is in there
[11:40] <lumpofcheese> ok, thanks
[11:41] <intelikey> !thanks | lumpofcheese
[11:41] <ubotu> lumpofcheese: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:42] <intelikey> !botsnack
[11:42] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:42] <kubuntu_newbie> :(
[11:43] <angasule_> !monitor
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <intelikey> i need a pci "real" modem,  did they ever build such a thing ?
[11:44] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: ubuntu is based on debian, they both use .deb files
[11:44] <posingaspopular> so it could be someuse
[11:44] <posingaspopular> i duno though
[11:44] <angasule_> the system settings doesn't work for my monitor, it just doesn't write my config (also, it'd be friggin' nice to be able to input horizontal and vertical refresh)
[11:44] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: There are some packages that need to be installed in order to compile most things; that driver appears intended for the 2.6.8-2 kernel, which might not work.  What is the card?
[11:45] <jhutchins> intelikey: Not as far as I know.  Maybe an external?
[11:45] <Sanne> kubuntu_newbie: I doubt this driver will work, as it seems from the name that it is compiled for a specific kernel, namely 2.6.8-2-386 in Debian.
[11:45] <kubuntu_newbie> posingaspopular there are no .deb's in there but there are a few .bin's - rt2561.bin, rt2561s.bin and rt2661.bin
[11:46] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: What card?
[11:46] <intelikey> jhutchins well are there any that work with linux without having to "buy" software keys or use ndiswarper or things of that nature ?    know of any ?
[11:46] <kubuntu_newbie> edimax ew-7128g
[11:47] <kubuntu_newbie> aparently uses ralink rt61 chipset
[11:47] <jhutchins> intelikey: It's been long enough that I don't really know, but you can look up "linmodem".  External serial-port modems work pretty well, and I have some USB Sportsters that are working fine.
[11:48] <intelikey> jhutchins ok.  thanks.   i'll start there.
[11:49] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie:
[11:49] <jhutchins> > Looks like I probably have to disconnect the airbags, pull the steering
[11:49] <jhutchins> > wheel, and probably replace the lock cylinder.
[11:49] <jhutchins> Whups, dang pastebuffer.
[11:49] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156075
[11:50] <jhutchins> THe lock cylinder, by the way, went very easily, removed three screws, popped off a panel, pushed a button and pulled the cylinder right out.  $15 and I'll be back on the road.
[11:50] <intelikey> conexant ticks me off.   you can get 14k connection or pay for a key to activate the driver they provide.
[11:50] <kubuntu_newbie> well i have to go, thanks so much for trying posingaspopular
[11:50] <posingaspopular> kubuntu_newbie: keep at it, sorry i wasnt much help
[11:50] <jhutchins> kubuntu_newbie: Look at that article!  It's a HOWTO for your card on ubuntu!
[11:50] <kubuntu_newbie> i will mate :)
[11:51] <kubuntu_newbie> just not tonight, i'm growing a head block
[11:51] <kubuntu_newbie> later
[11:51] <jhutchins> Bookmark it or somethin'.
[11:52] <v6lur> so. anyone here who knows how to connect a cellphone to laptop via infrared?
[11:52] <Ricket> I am pretty new to Linux, I've used Ubuntu for short periods in the past and I know some Linux commands so I can't say I'm a complete newb, but I'm not sure which version of Kubuntu I should get. What version do you recommend that I install on my primary machine (I want it pretty stable, but also with good compatibility with newer applications)?
[11:52] <jhutchins> v6lur: Depends on the phone.
[11:53] <jhutchins> There are half a dozen different apps to do it with.
[11:53] <esaym> How do I see all the user info in console?
[11:53] <v6lur> some kind of an (sony-?)ericsson
[11:53] <v6lur> can't ask the person atm
[11:53] <jhutchins> v6lur: Google the hardware model and ubuntu, you'll probably get something specific.
[11:53] <jhutchins> v6lur: Also depends on what you want to sync.
[11:54] <v6lur> *I* don't want to sync anything. a friend does :)
[11:54] <v6lur> but i'll give google another try
[11:54] <intelikey> esaym what user info do you want ?
[11:54] <Ricket> Okay, well tell me if I'm wrong, but it appears that 6.10 is the version to go with for now (Edgy Eft).
[11:54] <v6lur> Ricket: (kubuntu) feisty is pretty stable...
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> Ricket: diff'rent strokes
[11:55] <esaym> intelikey: I am trying to set up proftpd
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> and feisty is still beta.
[11:55] <esaym> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588&highlight=proftpd
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> stable, yes, but not *quite* ready
[11:55] <v6lur> personally i didn't like 6.10
[11:55] <esaym> I think the gui made a bunch of user accounts that I don't want
[11:55] <Daisuke_Ido> reason?
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i was pretty fond of 6.10, myself
[11:56] <intelikey> esaym ah user accounts   tail /etc/passwd
[11:56] <v6lur> first and foremost: a mess with language packs (english isn't my native tongue)
[11:56] <v6lur> maybe it's fixed by now, dunno
[11:56] <intelikey> esaym you can ignore anything less than 1000
[11:56] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, that's an issue i haven't messed with, since english is mine :\
[11:57] <esaym> hmm
[11:57] <jhutchins> Wireless is still a challenge in 6.10, but I think that's true of most distros right now.
[11:57] <esaym> yea I am lost
[11:57] <julien_> hi
[11:57] <esaym> Never heard of "tail"
[11:57] <jhutchins> Mine worked on Tuesday from the live CD, didn't work Wednesday or today.
[11:57] <julien_> how to go to ubuntu.fr ?
[11:57] <esaym> It spit out a bunch of info though
[11:58] <Daisuke_Ido> !fr | julien_
[11:58] <ubotu> julien_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:58] <jhutchins> esaym: Try tail -f /var/log/messages some time.
[11:58] <julien_> thank you
[11:58] <intelikey> esaym    it displays the last * lines of a file.   defaults to   10 maybe
[11:59] <esaym> Ok I see
[11:59] <esaym> intelikey: How would I remove a user?
[11:59] <intelikey> esaym it's counter part "head" does the same with the first * lines...   kinda handy.   not really needed cause i can do the same without them...
[11:59] <esaym> i like good ol cat
[12:00] <mzanfardino> is there a gui app that will compare two directories and display the difference?
[12:00] <intelikey> esaym userdel name     but if the user id is less than 1000 you better think twice.   system accounts can be needed.
[12:00] <Sanne> mzanfardino: xxdiff
[12:01] <alexicon> how can you add documentation to kdevelop??
[12:01] <intelikey> esaym heh  yeah   or  less filename       i like less myself
[12:01] <mzanfardino> Sanne: thanks
[12:01] <intelikey> cause less is so much more than more
[12:01] <esaym> intelikey: Admin:x:1002:100:ftp-user:/home/ftp/GProftpdNoDir:/bin/false
[12:02] <esaym> Which numbers?
[12:02] <Sanne> mzanfardino: you're welcome. (There are more apps like that, also for kde, I believe, but I can't remember the names)
[12:02] <intelikey> third field.
[12:02] <intelikey> 1002
[12:02] <esaym> ok, what is the 100?>
[12:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: less +G is good.
[12:03] <intelikey> grep ':100:' /etc/group
[12:03] <jhutchins> esaym: What are the users you are worried about?
[12:03] <changuitofeo> Hello.  I just installed Kubuntu on my system yesterday.  This is the first time I have run a linux system.  I am trying to update the /etc/fstab to mount my win hdd(hdc1) so i can access the mp3s in there.  I have managed to open fstab in the shell using 'vi', as well as add the neccesarry lines, but now how do I save it?  Thanks.
[12:03] <jhutchins> esaym: Give us an example or two.
[12:03] <intelikey> jhutchins he gave one.  ^
[12:03] <intelikey>  Admin:x:1002:100:ftp-user:/home/ftp/GProftpdNoDir:/bin/false
[12:04] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: Esc :wq
[12:04] <esaym> jhutchins:  I was messing around with a proftp gui and it made a bunhc of user accounts I did not need
[12:04] <changuitofeo> Thank you! :)
[12:04] <Sanne> mzanfardino: some more are on this page (not all are graphical): http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=diff&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[12:04] <jhutchins> esaym: ProFTP might need them.
[12:04] <Filthpig> does anyone know why opera won't work with kubuntu anymore?
[12:04] <esaym> proftpd:x:107:65534::/var/run/proftpd:/bin/false
[12:04] <esaym> ftp:x:108:65534::/home/ftp:/bin/false
[12:04] <esaym> ftpadmin:x:1001:100:ftp-user:/home/ftp/GProftpdNoDir:/bin/false
[12:04] <esaym> Admin:x:1002:100:ftp-user:/home/ftp/GProftpdNoDir:/bin/false
[12:04] <intelikey> i'd leave that.   if you plan on using proftp
[12:04] <Filthpig> and if there is a fix for it?
[12:04] <esaym> I questions all those
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Filthpig: i do believe that's a known issue with no fix right now
[12:05] <esaym> Yes But i have repeats because I changed the directory a bunch of times
[12:05] <Filthpig> :s
[12:05] <jhutchins> esaym: How about just leave them there for now until you've read the docs and know what they're for.
[12:05] <Filthpig> I miss opera
[12:05] <mzanfardino> Sanne: you have been most helpful, thank you
[12:05] <Filthpig> firefox just doesn't cut it
[12:05] <jbruckman> changuitofeo: dude, if you've never used VI before, just use kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:05] <Sanne> mzanfardino: you're welcome :)
[12:05] <esaym> yes But I made admin and ftpadmin
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> Filthpig: i assume you're using feisty
[12:05] <jbruckman> vi-vi-vi=6-6-6, mark of the devil.
[12:05] <intelikey> esaym ah repeats... i stand under ya...
[12:06] <jhutchins> !opera | Filthpig
[12:06] <ubotu> Filthpig: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[12:06] <esaym> intelikey: Yes stupid gui >_<
[12:06] <intelikey> :)
[12:06] <Filthpig> Daisuke_Ido: yep
[12:06] <jhutchins> jbruckman: Better to learn vi right from the start.
[12:06] <jbruckman> jhutchins: or never :p
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Filthpig: yep, it's known and nothing can be done about it right now :)
[12:06] <Yorokobi> vim rules
[12:07] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: Press escape, hit :wq <enter>, you've written the changes and quit.
[12:07] <Filthpig> weird though
[12:07] <intelikey> esaym at any rate.   man  [useradd,userdel,groupadd,groupdel] 
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i find translating into binary and doing text editing that way is far easier than mastering vi
[12:07] <Filthpig> cus it was working up until.. last week or smth
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Filthpig: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=401148
[12:07] <intelikey> all you ever wanted to know about accounts.
[12:08] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I have done many web pages with vi.
[12:09] <changuitofeo> ok, when i am typing it says insert at the bottom. i hit esc, obviously it dissapears, then i press w, nothing happens, when i press q it says recording, then enter, it beeps and nothing new happens
[12:09] <intelikey> well i need to dl some junk, so i'll be idle as far as irc goes....   for a few.
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> changuitofeo: you forgot :
[12:09] <changuitofeo> ahhh
[12:09] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, use q to stop recording the type :wq or :x
[12:09] <esaym> intelikey: thank you
[12:10] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: Got to hit the colon (:) to enter command mode.
[12:11] <intelikey> vi is for hardcore penguins
[12:11] <intelikey> esaym welcome.
[12:11] <changuitofeo> gotcha
[12:11] <changuitofeo> now it says to add a ! to override readonly, i did that and it says "fstab E212: Can't open file for writing"
[12:11] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, :w! then :q
[12:11] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: Ah, you need to edit it as root.
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> changuitofeo: you didn't run vi with sudo, did you?
[12:12] <changuitofeo> konsole
[12:12] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: q! to force quit, sudo vi /etc/fstab/ and make the changes again.
[12:12] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, if you didn't 'sudo vi filename' then you'll have to :q! and ... ^^^^
[12:12] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: or whichever file you're editing.
[12:12] <jhutchins> gtg, have fun!
[12:12] <jhutchins> changuitofeo: Now anywhere you can ssh to you can edit files!
[12:13] <changuitofeo> ok, i'll do that. :) thanks for all the help
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd actually like to set up ssh here so i can connect to irc from campus...
[12:13] <Filthpig> Daisuke_Ido: ah, many thanks. Got a link to the latest build from the link you gave me. Finally opera's back on track :D
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe