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jthomashello and launchpad devs here?  i wanna help improve it!12:24
radixjthomas:  I once met a launchpad developer12:26
radixjthomas: maybe even a couple12:26
jthomaswell i hope someone reads this later, so I'll say it:  When at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs there is a search field in the top right corner.  I am there to report bugs.  If i use that search field it starts bringing up projects and other stuff on Launchpad, all of which have nothing to do with the bug that I am trying to report.  My suggestion is to make it more difficult to bounce all around the Launchpad site and just try to jail me12:32
jthomasinto the reason I came to that link: to report Bugs on Ubuntu, not elsewhere or other products or projects.  Thanks!12:32
jthomasradix: have a good one mate!12:32
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jmlGood morning12:55
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tj9991are there any similar websites like launchpad, as far as translation goes?01:06
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pooliempt: ping?03:18
mpt(poolie: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.)03:18
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mptGooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!04:00
ajmitchhello mpt 04:01
mpthi poolie 04:09
mptand ajmitch :-)04:10
ubotuNew bug: #105741 in malone "give suggestions when marking bugs as duplicates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10574104:10
pooliempt: is there any way at present to get a list of bug tags?04:12
poolieit used to be on the bugs home page but it's gone... :(04:12
mptpoolie, there are hundreds of projects using Launchpad for bug tracking. You want the tags used by all of them?04:13
mptOr just the ones used by, say, Bazaar?04:13
pooliejust the ones used by bazaar04:14
poolieigc points out it's in a default-hidden pornlet on the bug listing page04:14
pooliet'would be nice if that were open by default, and also present on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr04:14
mptfair enough, please report a bug on the latter04:15
mptthe former is already reported04:15
mpt(in a general "some should be open by default" form, not a specific "bug tags should be open by default" form)04:15
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jmlpoolie: want to do a catch up call today?04:18
pooliespiv: ^^^ mpt's comments04:23
spivmpt: I filed 105743 a little while ago.04:24
ubotuNew bug: #105743 in launchpad "Cannot find the list of bug tags used by a project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10574304:25
pooliespiv, thanks04:31
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ubotuNew bug: #105748 in malone "Xubuntu manual paticion version 20070411 in NTFS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10574804:46
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pooliempt: hi, i liked your post about lp search04:51
ubotuNew bug: #105749 in launchpad-bazaar "Help for project Code page is far too long" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10574904:51
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rpereiraDoes someone know which part of Launchpad is GPL and which part it isn't?04:52
FujitsuNone and all, I believe.04:52
FujitsuWell, there's the SVN and CVS importer stuff that's GPL, I think.04:53
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rpereiraOn http://ubuntu-rocks.org/, Joey Stanford did an presentation about Launchpad and said that: Some parts of Launchpad have been released under the GPL.04:54
FujitsuThat's what the LP FAQ says.04:55
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rpereiraNothing.... :-)04:56
rpereiraI will give a lecture tomorrow about Launchpad and some time ago someone asked me about this GPL info on LP.04:59
rpereiraAnd I don't know the answer yet. :-)04:59
pooliempt, re search, maybe you could look at the strings people have submitted and try to work out what they thought they are searching for?04:59
pooliealso, personally i only ever want local search04:59
pooliealso, i suspect good global search may be hard to get right - to give the right weighting to all the things that might match05:00
mptrpereira, https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs05:00
Fujitsumpt: That's the one.05:00
poolietherefore working useful search may be better05:00
poolieand finally you can do radiobuttons without needing to show them on the main page - just do the first search as local, then let people change the button and search again if they want05:01
poolieand finally^2, the best global search at the moment is probably just googling launchpad.net05:01
mptYeah, I use Google on launchpad sometimes05:02
mptbut it doesn't find (for example) private bug reports05:02
mptor (often) bugs reported less than a week ago05:02
pooliebut neither does our global search afaik05:02
mptReally? I don't see why not05:03
mptif you're logged in05:03
rpereirampt: you the man! :) I used google but i didn't got a good answer. My search on google returned every GPL project on launchpad. :)05:03
pooliempt, ironically there is no global search on the homepage :)05:04
pooliempt: if i use the search box at the moment it only searches projects 05:04
mptrpereira, we also contribute back to various other Free Software components that we use05:05
ubotuNew bug: #105751 in malone "When you do Manual partition  open the thunar with the hard drive and you lose the install windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10575105:05
mptpoolie, there's no global search on *any* page.05:05
mptThat's the problem.05:05
mptOh, by "our global search" I thought you meant the search form on https://bugs.launchpad.net/05:06
poolieanyhow fwiw i'd be happy if the search form on bugs/bzr just searched bzr bugs05:06
mptI'm not suggesting that change at all05:06
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poolieno, it was clear05:08
pooliebasically all i'm saying is that although i agree with your first sentence that having a global search function is important05:09
pooliea- google provides an adequate global search05:09
poolie(though obviously lacking integration)05:10
poolieand 05:10
poolieb- personally i think better local search is much much more important05:10
mptah, ok05:18
mptYeah, it annoys me when I fall into one of the current search's potholes05:18
mpte.g. I know an exact phrase used in the summary of a bug I'm thinking of, but most of the words in that phrase are stop-words05:19
mptor I want to search for bugs mentioning the word "upstream"05:19
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mptor I want to search for anything involving punctuation05:21
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Joe_CoTis there a way to edit a spec on launchpad? I found a blueprint with an interesting idea, but it's old and needs a lot of work05:28
Joe_CoTso i'm not entirely sure what i'm supposed to do in such a case. Creating another one on the same topic doesn't sound like it's the answer05:30
mptJoe_CoT, which blueprint in particular?05:34
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Joe_CoTmpt: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/games-via-apt-torrent05:42
Joe_CoTi think apt-torrent integration is a good idea. it'll definately help as Ubuntu grows05:42
Joe_CoTI also think it's necessary in order to add good games to Ubuntu without killing the repos05:43
Joe_CoTbut the tangent on integrating wine stuff loses me05:43
mptJoe_CoT, the way to do this is05:44
mpt(1) Create a specification for this on wiki.ubuntu.com05:44
mptA good place to start would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation?action=edit&template=SpecTemplate05:45
mpt(2) at the bottom of the blueprint page, click "Set the URL for this specification", and enter the URL of the wiki.ubuntu.com page you created05:46
Joe_CoT"don't have permission"05:46
mptah, that's bad05:47
mptthat's a bug in Launchpad05:47
Joe_CoTah, well then05:47
mptSo, you'll need to talk to Mangar (who registered the blueprint)05:47
mpthis/her e-mail address is on https://launchpad.net/~mycrapaccount05:47
lifelessI'll correct that05:48
Joe_CoT... his email is "mycrapaccount@hotmail.com". Could that possibly mean it's an account he doesn't check?05:48
lifelesshe has to have used it to make it active in lp05:49
mptHe/she must have checked it at least once, to confirm it05:49
lifelessdoesn't mean he still reads it05:49
lifelessI've set https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation as the url05:49
Joe_CoTokay, thanks. I'll start writing it up05:50
Joe_CoTbah. looking into it, there are way too many blueprints regarding using apt-torrent.05:58
ubotuNew bug: #105759 in blueprint ""Set the URL for this specification" is visible even if forbidden" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10575906:16
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infinitejoin 3launchpad06:32
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infiniteaw crap06:32
infiniteso anybody here knows how to cancel my account on launch pad ?06:33
infiniteguys ?06:33
Hobbsee!patience | infinite 06:34
ubotuinfinite: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines06:34
infinitei realize that, sorry i suck at IRC06:34
infinitei wasn't even sure i'm in the channel or not ..06:34
Hobbseeyou are, and you're looking for someone who works on LP06:37
Joe_CoTinifinite: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/277306:37
ubotuMalone bug 2773 in launchpad "Let someone delete/remove/close their account" [High,Confirmed]  06:37
infiniteso i wasn't blind not finding an opt-out option06:37
Joe_CoTThe current method seems to be to put in a support ticket asking for your removal. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket06:39
infiniteso that's where the launchpad support system/ticket thinggy is ! (i was blind there!)06:40
infinitefigures! part of the system it self :P06:40
Joe_CoTwell, launchpad is the central hub for bugs and support, so a support request to be removed from launchpad would also be made on launchpad.06:42
infiniteyep that makes prefect sense 06:44
infinitethanks guys06:44
infinitelaunchpad is cool and great, but i found that it's still too early to depend on it completely 06:46
infinitemaybe later in the future i will come back 06:46
FujitsuWhy are you deleting your account?06:46
infinitei was sold with the idea and the presentation06:47
infinitebut i didn't find all the features i expected/wanted06:47
infinitei decided to go with a self hosted solution instead 06:47
infinitelike TRAC (yes i know it's not that great)06:48
infinitebut its the next best thing06:48
Joe_CoTwhat features were expected but missing?06:49
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lifelessjamesh: ping08:39
jameshlifeless: pong08:41
jameshthanks.  I've got one open in my editor08:41
lifeless'nuff said.08:42
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seb128carlos: here?11:19
carlosseb128: yes11:19
seb128carlos: what is required to get new templates imported to launchpad? do you need to validate them if they come from a package update?11:19
carlosif it's an update for something already imported11:19
carlosno, it's done automatically11:20
carlosbut we had a small problem with the queue yesterday11:20
carlosso it may be delayed11:20
seb128because I uploaded a new network-manager yesterday11:20
seb128and the template is still outdated on launchpad11:20
seb128can you have a look?11:20
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toodlesHi all. I'm getting a proxy error on launchpad. Was just wondering if I should report a bug? See: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~smspie-devel/smspie/devel11:20
carlosit should be fixed today (or at least with a workaround)11:20
seb128I'll likely fix other packages11:20
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carlosseb128: it's already approved, I saw it this morning11:21
carlosjust waiting to be imported11:21
seb128would be nice to have a list of packages which don't ship a .pot11:21
seb128I noticed network-manager and it was not listed by you the other day11:21
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carloswell, as we inherit from Edgy, we already had a .pot file imported, but an old one...11:22
carlosseb128: but yes, that's easily detectable11:22
carlosseb128: could you file a bug and I will see how to cook something for you?  ;-)11:23
seb128could you make a list today so we can try to fix them?11:23
spivtoodles: there's a bug about that11:23
spivtoodles: the first time a branch is viewed in codebrowse it often times out while it generates some caches.11:23
seb128carlos: well, 7.04 is next week, it's late to start a bug filing game :p11:23
toodlesspiv, cool thanks. I just tried it again. Seems to be working now anyway.11:23
spivtoodles: after that it seems to be fine.11:23
toodlesspiv, nice one :-)11:23
carlosseb128: I could provide a list of templates that were not updated since long time ago11:23
spivtoodles: happy code browsing :)11:23
toodlesspiv, thanks!!11:24
carlosseb128: well, that means we get it done for next release cycle11:24
seb128carlos: would be useful, can you make that long ago being a month? ;)11:24
seb128so we know which GNOME packages are to update11:24
carlosseb128: I will do both11:26
seb128carlos: thank you11:26
carlosone for the ones not updated after we open Feisty11:26
carlosand the other for the ones not updated since last month11:26
seb128carlos: you rock!11:26
carlosseb128: No, I would rock if you don't need to ask for those things ;-)11:27
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travlrQUESTION: I'm trying to find information on how to link our external bug tracker (Trac) with malone and import it's data.11:57
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carlostravlr: hi12:00
carlostravlr: Do you want to use malone and stop using Trac? or just link Malone with your Trac?12:00
travlrcarlos: Hi carlos, at this time we'd like just link with the external site.12:02
kiko-afktravlr, what do you mean by "import its data"?12:02
travlrkiko: import existing active tickets, etc into launchpad. Is that possible?12:04
kiko-afktravlr, we don't currently have a trac importer, but we could. I'm more interested in your use case -- why would you want to do that? to evaluate launchpad?12:05
travlrkiko: Well we're kind of excited by launchpad's unifying potential, and I'm just now trying to activate as much functionality as possible. 12:08
travlrkiko: We're (PyTables) recently registered.12:09
kiko-afktravlr, yeah, I see.12:09
kiko-afkwell, one project for this cycle is on-demand bug importers12:09
kiko-afkso we'll have something you can use soon12:09
kiko-afkanyway, afk, bbiab12:09
travlrkiko: Sorry not up on irc jargon: bbiab?12:10
Spadstravlr: "be back in a bit"12:12
travlrSpads: Right...12:12
travlrkiko: (so we'll have something you can use soon)... Thanks for your help. Lookin' forward to using launchpad!12:14
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ubotuNew bug: #105845 in launchpad "More graceful failure notification for launchpad needed?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10584512:55
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cprovmorning, guys01:14
mptHi Celso01:14
cprovmpt: hi there, how are you doing ?01:15
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mptcprov, good, just fixed a bug01:31
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cprovmpt: btw, i'm owning some ui to you, #87281 & #10569001:34
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cprovmpt: can you give me your opinion about the last one ? that page is really broken.01:35
mptbug 8728101:35
ubotuMalone bug 87281 in soyuz "Build page is a mess in the 1.0 layout" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87281 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)01:35
mptbug 10569001:35
ubotuMalone bug 105690 in soyuz "Developers should be able to view binary publishing history" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10569001:35
cprovmpt: I said I would find some time to work on it ... but not yet :(01:36
mptAh, so all the data is already there01:37
mptit just needs to be presented in a table or something01:37
mptok, that's fairly easy01:37
cprovmpt: you may want to change the way we present each binary pub history to something similar to the source pub history. Yes, tables.01:39
mptbtw, the location bar is probably going too deep on those pages01:40
mptbecause it's making all the tabs except "Overview" disabled01:40
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mpthmmm, maybe not01:41
mptconfusion vs. usefulness, usefulness vs. confusion01:41
cprovmpt: I'm more than happy to apply anything you suggest. People don't really use those pages yet, they are still very hard to reach.01:43
ubotuNew bug: #105855 in rosetta "Finish gettext-po bindings and use that parser for imports" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10585501:45
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jwendellHi matsubara 02:23
matsubarahello jwendell 02:24
jwendellmatsubara, can i own tsclient product on LP?02:24
matsubarajwendell: sure, your LP Id is wendell, right?02:26
jwendellmatsubara, right02:26
matsubarajwendell: done02:27
jwendellmatsubara, thanks!02:27
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carlosseb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileboR0hk.html02:54
carlosseb128: well, change 'Templates' with 'SourcePackageName'02:55
seb128carlos: thank you03:01
seb128if the template has not changed it's not imported again, right?03:02
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carlosseb128: right03:05
carlosmaybe we updated the .po files, but the .pot file was not touched03:05
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carlosseb128: indeed, network manager is detect with this kind of queries...03:07
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carlosseb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8lhiC8.html03:08
carlosseb128: that's the list of packages that have .pot files that were not updated since Feisty was open for translations03:09
carlosseb128: which means, either we miss a .pot file (like network-manager) or Feisty packages doesn't have those translations anymore or got renamed (although we don't have any pending .pot file to be approved)03:10
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seb128carlos: cool03:13
seb128carlos: do you know how long the import will take? network-manager is still not update since yesterday evening :/03:14
carlosI unblocked the queue (again) an hour ago03:14
carlosso it should happen in next 4-5 hours03:14
carlosI will do some reviews to get everything approved in time03:15
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carlosin fact, I'm going to approve the .pot file manually so it's imported as soon as possible03:15
stubcarlos: I see the 1 hour timeout was still not enough.03:18
carlosstub: yeah, you can revert that change03:18
carloswe blocked that entry and will fix the issue03:18
carlosstub: it took 2 hours and 10 minutes on carbon03:18
carlosjust to parse the file03:18
carlosso no DB commands are sent until that process finish03:19
stubcarlos: I can extend the limit to 4 hours if it will help with the feisty release - we can survive with that much (but not for more than a day)03:19
stubBut if you have enough time to fix it properly, that would be best.03:19
carlosstub: I will know once we talk with kiko03:19
carlosstub: anyway, I don't want to import that file until tomorrow03:20
carlosso language pack imports are not delayed03:20
ubotuNew bug: #105869 in launchpad-bazaar "Broken subscription code path in BranchView lead to oops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10586903:20
carlosstub: is there anyone that could do DBA tasks while you are not around?03:21
carlosI think we got someone to help you there, but I'm not sure whether he's able to do this kind of things03:21
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stubcarlos: robert, elmo, tom and other admins have permissions, but it depends if they are confident doing what you ask.03:26
carlosyeah, that's why I'm asking about a DBA back03:26
carlosstub: we are testing an script that we will need to execute in production as soon as possible (after today's midnight)03:26
stubWhat needs to be done tomorrow? I should be around tomorrow until your morning03:26
carlosso we would need also someone to run it once we validate it in carbon later today03:26
carlosoh, really?03:26
carlosok, then I will mail you the details03:26
carlosstub: thanks03:27
stubI can run it in about 15 hours03:27
stub(with a hangover)03:27
carlosstub: well, I will give you all steps you need to do quite clear so you don't need to think too much03:28
stubAre you at UTC or UTC+1?03:28
carlosstub: although maybe, you could take a look to the code now: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/danilo/launchpad/oo-template-migration/full-diff03:28
carlosstub: UTC + 203:28
carlosit could be executed after 23:00 UTC 03:29
carlosonce the db mirror proces starts03:29
stubI expect to be partying with a water pistol and a bottle of tequila at around 10am your time tomorrow. So try to get me earlier :)03:29
danilosstub: try a bottle of water and tequila pistol :P03:29
carlosWill do, don't worry03:29
carlosstub: thank you for your help03:31
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fabbionedear LP guys.. please make LP faster. kthxbye03:31
stubWhat are the changes to security.cfg for?03:31
fabbioneit's becoming almost unuseable03:31
Masefabbione: yeh i agree03:31
Masei am considering putting a project up03:31
Maseit looks fantastic but it's very very slow03:32
Maseis it just b/c its using https ?03:32
fabbioneMase: it's a problem that did show up only recently so no03:32
fabbionenothing to do with https03:32
Maseoh ok03:32
Masefair enough03:32
Masei will await it's resolution before judging it :)03:32
fabbioneMase: it was very fast up to a few days back...03:33
Masewhat is bazaar like to use ?03:34
Maseany issues ? I've  come to trust svn quite heavily03:34
Maseand so moving to another vc system is quite daunting03:34
danilosstub: leftovers from when I used rosettaadmin user, removed in latest revision (not yet pushed)03:35
stubbzr is rock solid I find03:35
danilosstub: the same is true for pomsgset.copyTo which is removed03:35
Masestub how does it deal with binary files ? and larger files ?03:36
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ddaastub: it does deal with them03:38
ddaathis is not an area that has had a lot of attention, so it might not perform very well, but it sure does work03:39
ddaaMase: ^ that was for you, not stub03:39
stubI haven't played with files more than 20  or 30 kb in a tree, so you might want to run some tests.03:39
Masethanks. For the immediate future binary and large files aren't an issue03:40
Masebut i was more asking out of curiousity03:40
ddaaout of experience, I can tell you that bzr is really nice (and it's not only because I work here)03:40
ddaathere are some intrinsic differences compared to svn, but it's designed to support workflows very close to svn usage03:41
ddaaand the UI should be no problem to learn for a svn user03:41
Maseany good books/ docs. I really quite like the idea of launchpad. Esp since one of the projects will be based on ubuntu03:42
Masewell at this stage it looks likely03:42
ddaaunless to you have very high requirements for performance or GUI support, bzr is best all around solution03:42
ddaaMase: sabdfl wrote a Launchpad guide that's not bad, not sure where it is though...03:43
ddaamrevell: do you know?03:43
mrevellddaa: Yep, just a sec03:43
Masewell ...i like the idea that i have a gui. I have a nice integrated environment with kdevelop/kdesvn....however i've only used it once ,then went back to CLI :)03:43
mrevellMase: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/03:43
ddaaMase: honestly, svn beats the shit ouf the competition on GUI support and environment integration.03:44
Masemrevell: cheers.  Noticed your running in your local election. I wish you luck :)03:44
mrevellMase: Oh, thanks :)03:44
Maseddaa: yeh like i said, i only actually used it once. CLI was more efficient . So not having a gui means little :)03:45
ddaaMase: for reference, the primary design goal of bzr is "be a joy to use"03:46
Fujitsuddaa: And it does that very well :)03:46
Maseddaa: really. Sounds promising. 03:46
ddaacompared to svn which was more something like "be mostly like cvs, unless less broken"03:47
Masei quite like svn...only that yeh launchpad doesn't use it, so using launchpad would be my incentive to change.03:47
ddaasvn does have some good things for it03:48
ddaabut centralized version control is so 20th century :)03:48
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Masei like the idea of offline commits. 03:48
Masewith bzr03:48
Masebut i guess merging is somewhat scary with svn03:48
ddaaDVCS generally has a lot of advantages, offline commit is just the most obvious one03:48
Masehow do you deal with tagging in bzr ?03:50
ddaathere's some basic tagging support introduced in the very last released03:50
ddaatags are not versioned, and associated to branches... frankly I have never used it or felt the need for it, so I may not be the best person to explain.03:50
Maseok. cool. what about "hooks"03:51
ddaabut you can also use svn's approach to tagging, and use branches...03:51
Maseoh yeh03:51
FujitsuIsn't a tag just a name assigned to a revision?03:51
Masenah its pretty much a branch03:52
Masejust called something else :)03:52
ddaahooks: bzr is very extensible, but the nature of distributed version control and the support for dumb servers make it hard to support hooks use cases for svn-like workflows.03:52
FujitsuI meant in bzr.03:52
ddaaFujitsu: yes, there's an actual "tag feature" now, but as I said I'm not familiar with it.03:53
ddaaI find that branches are enough for my needs.03:53
Maseddaa: yeh i see your point. Basically , since some of the project is in xml, what I would like to do is make it so people can't "commit" broken xml. (i.e that doesn't conform to dtd/ relaxNg) etc..03:53
ddaaMase: about hooks, you'd need to be more specific about the use case to get a more useful answer.03:53
Mase^ see above :)03:53
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Maseif i actually get around to that, who knows...maybe when it's released someone will :)03:54
ddaaMase: there are various ways to do it. You can write a plugin that does the check on pre-commit on users03:54
Maseddaa: osm03:54
Maseyeh that is basically all the hook does at the moment03:55
Masejust doesn't actually "validate"03:55
ddaaMase: but if you want to ensure consistency on the mainline, and allow multiple people to commit to it, you need to use a robot to act as a gatekeeper.03:55
ddaaThat's a consequence of the dumb-server protocol03:55
Maseddaa: prolly need to play with it a bit now i guess. 03:55
Maseas i didn't really understand the significance of the mainline :)03:56
ddaathere's an smart server is active development that will make it possible to do this sort of checks more transparently on remote commit.03:56
Masesounds pretty promising. I'll give it ago on the weekend i think.03:56
ddaaMase: well... mainline is what you would call "the branch" in svn.03:56
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ddaaWhere a bzr branch is closer in purpose to a svn checkout.03:57
Maseoh i see03:57
ddaaThe advantage of DVCS come largely from the fact that people work on real branches at home instead of just on a checkout.03:57
ddaaThough bzr _does_ support the svn approach.03:58
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popeyconnection timeout on launchpad03:59
Maseddaa: ok..so say i "checkout" a tree from the mainline for my home workstation..and do my local commits....but i have a laptop..which i also want to take with me, can i then "check out" my home version ? 03:59
Masehack away..and commit back to my home version04:00
Masethen merge that back in with the mainline later ?04:00
SteveAWelcome to this week's...04:00
SteveALaunchpad Development Meeting04:00
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ddaaMase: pretty much, but 1. better ask on #bzr 2. there's a meeting now and here04:00
SteveAfor the next 45 minutes, we'll be coordinating and reporting status on Launchpad development04:00
SteveAwho's here today?04:00
Rinchenme from sunny and warm London04:00
Maseddaa: ok cool. I'll go. THanks for your help04:00
ddaa<spiv> not here ;)04:00
ddaa<jml> not here04:00
ddaathumper is in London and did not send me any stuff for this meeting.04:01
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SteveA== Agenda ==04:01
SteveA * Roll call04:01
SteveA * Agenda04:01
SteveA * Next meeting04:01
SteveA * Activity reports04:01
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:02
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SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:02
SteveA * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )04:02
SteveA * Bug tags04:02
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)04:02
SteveA * Launchpad 1.0 status reports04:02
SteveA * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )04:02
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:02
SteveA * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)04:02
SteveA * (other items)04:02
SteveA * Three sentences 04:02
SteveANext meeting: same time next week04:02
SteveAanyone plan to be absent around then?04:02
carlosI will be on public holiday04:03
SteveAthanks carlos04:03
carlosand I will not have network connection04:03
kikoI'll be here04:03
=== ..[topic/#launchpad:Rinchen] : Welcome to the Launchpad 1.0 public beta | Next user meeting: Wed 11 April 2007, 20.00UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
SteveAthat's fine04:03
ddaawill be on a sprint with thumper04:03
SteveAthanks joey04:03
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:03
SteveAno actions04:03
SteveA * Activity reports04:03
mpt(Please say either "up to date" or "not up to date")04:04
SteveAI'm on a sprint, but I kinda suck with them anyway04:04
mrevellup to date04:04
mthaddonup to date04:04
allenapup to date04:04
matsubaraup to date04:04
carlosup to date04:04
statikon a sprint04:04
mptup to date04:04
jtvup to date04:04
barryup to date04:04
BjornTup to date04:04
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sinzuiup to date04:04
bacon sprint04:04
kikoI am a disaster04:04
jameshnot up to date04:04
cprovnot up to date (started again yesterday)04:04
flacosteup to date04:04
danilossent this weeks and last weeks today, still missing some before that04:04
salgadonot up to date (though I'll be in a minute when I send yesterday's)04:04
ddaa<spiv> up to date04:04
ddaajml was slack04:04
ddaaup to date04:04
ddaa<jml> not up to date04:04
bigjoolsup to date04:04
SteveA== People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==04:05
SteveANot up to date:04:05
SteveA * jml (via ddaa)04:05
SteveA * kiko: "I totally slacked this week, gross"04:05
SteveA * matsubara04:05
SteveA * statik04:05
SteveA * SteveA04:05
SteveANo answer:04:05
SteveA * bigjools04:05
SteveA * mrevell04:05
SteveA * Rinchen04:05
SteveAAlternatively phrased up-to-date answer:04:05
bigjoolsI answered!04:05
SteveA * barry04:05
SteveAnot sure what the last thing means ;-)04:05
mrevellI answered too, I was up to date04:05
kikoso I'm not going to pledge to do reports this week because I am really freaking out at my workload, but I am working on sorting that out.04:05
stubme, up to date04:06
barrySteveA: it means i was up to date but didn't say "up to date"04:06
SteveAmpt: any comments on the recording of activity stuff?04:06
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dungodungis LP down?04:06
mptSteveA, I have no idea what "alternatively-phrased" means, I didn't put that there04:07
mptOther than that, no comments04:07
mpt(oh, well now I know what it means)04:07
SteveAmpt: well, bigjools and mrevell both said they answered last week04:07
SteveAyet they appear as "no answer" in that section of the MeetingAgenda page04:07
barrympt: i probably said something stupid like "i am presently current with my status emails", or maybe i just set "me"04:07
popeydungodung: no, there is a meeting on here at the moment04:07
mptwell there were a couple of extra "me"s04:07
mptWhen you say "me" I don't know whether you're up to date, not up to date, or just really slow for the roll call.04:08
mrevelldungodung: I can access it. Let's PM04:08
dungodungpopey: I mean, launchpad.net won't open for me.. sorry if I'm interrupting04:08
barrympt: i know that now :)04:08
carlosdungodung: it works for me but it's being slow04:09
SteveAok, so everyone should be clear when answering next week04:09
danilosdungodung: we'll get to it (probably even during the meeting)04:09
barrySteveA: this week too!04:09
SteveAclearly mrevell and bigjools answered meaning "up to date"04:09
SteveAlast week, but actually said something like "me"04:10
mrevellI'll use "up to date" in future.04:10
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mptI will update the notes accordingly.04:14
SteveAthanks mpt04:14
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:14
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 10336404:14
ubotuMalone bug 103364 in malone "Global filebug form crashes if you first choose a distribution and later a project." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10336404:14
matsubaraBjornT: is that a good one for Gavin?04:14
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bigjoolsI'll say up to date also (sorry I have massive lag on IRC right now)04:14
BjornTmatsubara: could be. i'll have a quick look at it first.04:14
matsubaraBjornT: please assign it to him if you think it's ok.04:14
matsubaraSteveA: I'm done here.04:14
SteveAthanks matsubara 04:14
SteveA * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )04:14
RinchenBug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of OOPSes. kiko, where are you with this?04:14
ubotuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)04:14
RinchenBug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started - Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. Carlos had to delay working on this to accomplish the 1.0 roll-out. danilo and carlos, how is this progressing?04:14
RinchenBug #52707, 2006-07-11, cprov, Soyuz, Critical, in progress - cprov, status?04:14
kikoRinchen, I have made zero progress over it last week04:14
carlosRinchen: I resumed my work this week04:14
Rinchenkiko, carlos - thanks04:14
ubotuMalone bug 52707 in soyuz "please propagate -security uploads to -updates" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52707 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)04:14
ubotuMalone bug 2006 in launchpad "Deactivated memberships should be hidden" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)04:14
carlosRinchen: need to test exports and fix a small bug with import, finish a migration to the new 2.0 xpi format and it should be done04:14
cprovRinchen: NativeSourceSync (NSS),  working on it04:14
RinchenBug #86171 (Private) - spiv - 2007-02-18 - Critical, in progress    - ddaa, do you have any data on this one?04:14
nixternalall I want to be able to do is download my last translation file before the end of life as we know it04:14
ddaa<spiv> bug 86171 recurred, because a rollout undid the workaround applied to production.04:14
ddaa<spiv> stub has now committed the workaround to rocketfuel to prevent that happening again.04:14
ddaa<spiv> I've downgraded the bug to High; the workaround is perfectly reliable, 04:14
ddaa<spiv> and I've been too busy with bzr work to get time for this bug.04:14
Rinchencprov, thanks...  carlos, thanks04:14
Rinchenddaa, thanks04:14
RinchenBug #90384 (Private) - jamesh - 2007-03-07 - Critical, not started - jamesh, I know you have a lot on your plate currently. When do you estimate you can fit this in?04:15
RinchenBug #92484 - jml - 2007-03-15 - BZR Integration, Critical, in review and progressing well. PQM hackery needed. ddaa, any updates from jml?04:15
ubotuBug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private04:15
ubotuBug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private04:15
ddaa<jml> mthaddon says he'll land the branches tomorrow (or maybe it's04:15
ddaatoday -- timezones are confusing).04:15
cprovRinchen: I'd say good progress. I wonder if we can request FiF review for it. Any reviewer available for it ? 04:15
RinchenBug #102382 & Bug #102449, first reported on 2007-04-03, carlos, Rosetta, Critical, not started. Fix still in needs-review. carlos, I believe this is simply waiting on a review to be scheduled, correct?04:15
ubotuBug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private04:15
carlosRinchen: salgado is doing that review for me04:15
ubotuMalone bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)04:16
ddaaRinchen: so it's on mthaddon, because it needs simultaneous commit on launchpad, bzr and cscvs.04:16
Rinchencprov,  I don't see any issues with that if you can find one.04:16
mthaddonddaa for jml: will be trying that today (my time)04:16
RinchenCarlos, thanks.04:16
ubotuMalone bug 102382 in rosetta "Translations are getting marked as "needing review" on each upload, preventing complete translation of Ubuntu for the release" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102382 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:16
ubotuMalone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:16
RinchenBug #44 - danilo - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. danilo, where is this in your work queue?04:16
jameshRinchen: still haven't gotten round to that one.04:16
RinchenBug #112 - Unassigned - 2005-01-31 - Rosetta, High, confirmed - Promoted to high priority last September. Needs to be assigned. jtv, can you look into scheduling this04:16
danilosRinchen: it's in progress, nothing sensible out yet, mostly some DB architecting04:17
ubotuMalone bug 112 in rosetta "Search for packages per language" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11204:17
cprovkiko: maybe you want to review that one ? at least the basic directions ?04:17
Rinchenjamesh, do you have an estimated start date?  or rough estimate?04:17
jtvRinchen: okay, I could use some more bugs04:17
danilosRinchen: before I start on actual code, I'll ask for stub's review, but not yet there04:17
Rinchendanilos, ok, thanks04:17
Rinchenjtv, ok, get with me offline if you need some suggestions :-) 04:17
stubiirc jamesh has been told to give top priority to ORM updates04:17
kikocprov, the source syncing one?04:18
jameshRinchen: not really.  I am not sure it belongs on the critical list too.04:18
cprovkiko: yes, my `package-sync` branch04:18
Rinchenjamesh, ok. Can you take a few and make that determination....reduce severity if necessary? Thanks...04:18
RinchenSteveA, done, thanks.04:18
SteveAthanks Rinchen 04:18
kikocprov, I will look at it as soon as you've landed nascentupload-cataclysm04:19
SteveA * Bug tags04:19
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SteveAno new proposed bug tags04:19
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)04:19
_NeilHey guys, is it just me or are there issues with launchpad? :) Just thought I'd check04:19
cprovkiko: uhm, ok. I'm waiting flacoste review comments. (/action hides)04:19
stubProduction is apparently running slowly for people, but I can't see any load increases on stuff I have access to - load everwhere seems pretty much normal. Maybe Tom can try increasing the workere threads per instance to see if it helps.04:20
stubbeta branch is active as per email to the mailing list.04:20
stubstaging has been handed over to Tom. Staging database has been moved back to asuka.04:20
stubcarbon, jubany's hot spare, is being appropriated by elmo for two weeks starting feisty release. This should not affect language packs, as these need to be generated *before* feisty release. I don't know if it will affect beta.04:20
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stubSteveA: please say 'stub' so I beep04:20
mpt_Neil, it's not just you, Top Men are investigating04:20
kikostub, it's /really/ slow and we need to find out why.04:20
kikoeverybody has noticed04:20
SteveAstub: it's an apache issue04:20
SteveAkiko: I think it's an apache issue04:20
kikoyeah, I agree with SteveA 04:20
kikoeither apache or pound (I'm not familiar with how that is set up)04:20
_Neilmpt: ty04:21
jtvSteveA: Apache hitting process limit?04:21
SteveAI'm goingn to talk with elmo now04:21
SteveAjoey will continue running the meeting04:21
kikothanks SteveA 04:21
jameshstub: could the slowness be related to bandwidth saturation?04:21
danilosthanks SteveA04:21
danilosRinchen? ;)04:21
mthaddonlocalhost lookups to the app servers seem fine, so it should be either apache or pound04:21
salgadojamesh, probably not since it's slow even from inside the DC04:21
Rinchenany more on production before we move on?04:21
stubjamesh: I have no idea. I only have a limited view on the situation.04:22
RinchenSysadmin requests04:22
Rinchenanything anyone has that's urgent?04:23
mrevellthe blog has been sorted -- woogoo :)04:23
mreveller, woohoo, I should say04:23
barryRinchen: dunno, but my totally unscientific test just now shows lp to be pretty zippy04:23
kikodoes anyone have account or access RTs that need sorting out?04:23
stubThe appservers are responding quickly when I query them directly anyway, so I'll punt to apache too04:23
kikoI think all my requests are closed04:23
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Rinchenkiko, I have a big list of RT requests that I'm tracking. All of the high priority queue has been closed.04:23
mrevellmpt :)04:23
Rinchenhowever many non-priority items remain open04:23
kikofwiw the librarian is really slow to answer as well04:23
RinchenA top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:23
Rinchenmrevell ?04:24
mrevellThis week I've had reports of slowness in the drop-down menus.04:24
mrevellFollowing a conversation with Steve, I'm able to ask better questions of people experiencing that problem04:24
kikomrevell, in my 1.0 report which I am preparing I'm listing that as a sort of blocker04:24
mrevellbut no one has reported it since.04:24
stubOops... before I said 'I don't know if elmo appropriating carbon will affect beta'. I ment to mention demo, as I'm unsure if it is needed during that time frame.04:25
mrevellkiko: Ah, right. What particular issue?04:25
mrevellkiko: The slowness to populate the menu?04:25
mrevellkiko: Or the pause that's built-in?04:25
kikomrevell, I think more the latter than the former04:25
mrevellkiko: Right. The reports I had seemed to come from the built-in delay, rather than lag on populating menus.04:25
mrevellkiko: So, that's something that we're going to look at? Cool.04:26
mrevellRinchen: Nothing further to say on that./04:26
kikowe have to!04:26
RinchenLaunchpad buzz report (mrevell)04:26
mrevellBuzz report should be winging its way to the ML as we speak.04:26
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Rinchenexcellent mrevell 04:27
Rinchenanything further on the report?04:27
mrevellRinchen: Not in the meeting, no.04:27
Rinchenok, thanks mrevell for both of those topics.04:27
RinchenThree sentences04:27
stubDONE: 3rd party auth04:27
stubTODO: Review and land auth stuff04:27
stubBLOCKED: No 04:27
carlosDONE: bug #102449, #70074, #91089 and Handled import queue, landed LanguageAdministration done some firefox native support work.04:27
carlosTODO: Firefox support04:27
carlosBLOCKED: No04:27
mrevellDONE: Launchpad tour and public beta follow-up, visit to commercialistion sprint in London.04:27
mrevellTODO: More tour work, grassroots blogging encouragement for public beta, plan for adopt-an-upstream, plan with Rinchen and SteveA re promotion for forthcoming features etc, plan with Rinchen for release notes.04:27
mrevellBLOCKED: no04:27
bacDONE: Commercialization sprint04:27
bacTODO: Post-sprint commercialization use-cases, design, etc04:27
bacBLOCKED: No04:27
salgadoDONE: Shipit, lots of debugging, code review and random fixes04:27
salgadoTODO: More shipit, code review and small fixes04:27
salgadoBLOCKED: No04:27
ddaa<jml> DONE: Bazaar bug/branch stuff. Bugfixes for SFTP server.04:27
ddaa<jml> TODO: Launchpad bug/branch stuff.04:27
ddaa<jml> BLOCKED: no04:27
allenapDONE: bug-81014 (with help from BjornT and cprov, not complete), lots more learning04:27
allenapTODO: finish bug-81014, more bugs as assigned by BjornT04:27
allenapBLOCKED: no04:27
sinzuiDONE: Nothing, but I swear it was a lot of work04:27
sinzuiTODO: 75485 Show supported languages, 75487 unsupported questions report, 90767 'All Languages' should be a radiobutton, 34050 retarget a question04:27
sinzuiBLOCKED: No.04:27
mthaddonDONE: Staging Setup DB on Asuka04:27
RinchenDONE: Lots of London Sprinting04:27
RinchenTODO: Lots of Launchpad Roadmapping04:27
RinchenBLOCKED: statik - 32 Goals (statik is aware)04:27
ddaa<spiv> DONE: begun landing bzr smart server work04:27
ddaa<spiv> TODO: finish landing bzr smart server04:27
ddaa<spiv> BLOCKED: no04:27
cprovDONE: remove warty simulation in dogfood, fix #102545, NativeSourceSync, finished nascentupload-cataclysm tests (~ 70 % coverage) and code fixes.04:27
mthaddonTODO: bzr merge04:27
cprovTODO: release NSS stage 1, open feisty+1, major UI issues04:27
cprovBLOCKED: no04:27
barryDONE: blueprint mailing list project; phase one & two spec update; create04:27
barryphase one branch; build script nearly done04:27
barryTODO: path.py.in hacks, documentation on phase one; phase two design review04:27
barryBLOCKED: no04:27
BjornTDONE: code reviews. fixed a few bugs.04:28
BjornTTODO: implement closing bugs via changelogs.04:28
BjornTBLOCKED: no04:28
matsubaraDONE: triage, oops reports, support gardening04:28
mthaddonBLOCKED: no04:28
matsubaraTODO: fix some of my assigned bugs, more of the same04:28
matsubaraBLOCKED: no04:28
flacosteDONE: microsite update, reviews, test style guide, merge pending branches04:28
flacosteTODO: finish test style guide, write specs04:28
flacosteBLOCKED: no04:28
ddaaDONE: importd-oops [nr] , partial fix for bug 92133 [nr] , started braindumping importd-ng.04:28
ddaaTODO: more importd-ng braindumping, PrivateBranchesPhasedImplementation review, sprint with thumper04:28
ddaaBLOCKED: no ADSL at home, commuting to my parents.04:28
jtvTODO: Catch up with ongoing Rosetta work04:28
jtvDONE: Started landing bug fixes!04:28
jtvBLOCKED: No, but review process does hold up some work04:28
bigjoolsDONE: Landed 102055, working on Native Source sync04:28
statikDONE: london sprint04:28
statikTODO: london sprint and wrap up04:28
statikBlocked: no04:28
bigjoolsTODO: Native Source Sync, stage 1 polishing and landing04:28
bigjoolsBLOCKED: no04:28
mptDONE: Easter, bug filing, help panel04:28
mptTODO: bug page, 1.0 specs, 1.0 cleanup04:28
mptBLOCKED: no04:28
danilosDONE: ooo migration script optimisations, testing, profiling, translation search04:28
danilosTODO: translation search, lots of bugfixing, licensing, helptexts04:28
danilosBLOCKED: no04:28
ubotuMalone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:28
ubotuMalone bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:28
ubotuMalone bug 91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:28
RinchenThank you all for attending this week's meeting. Meeting adjourned! 04:28
ddaaBAG: three sentences, now that we do weekly status to Rinchen.04:28
kikoDONE: coordination, looking at 1.0 and not a lot else :-(04:28
kikoTODO: sort out my backlog04:28
kikoBLOCKED: no04:28
jameshDONE: code review, bug-import updates, beta -> production link stuff04:28
jameshTODO: code review, get script-monitoring in, beta -> production link stuff04:28
jameshBLOCKED: no04:28
ddaaRinchen: too early04:28
Rinchenddaa, on my list for next week with SteveA ..... 04:29
barryddaa: word up04:29
ddaaword? up?04:29
ddaaexcel down?04:29
statikits a union thing04:29
ddaapowerpoint left?04:29
mptLike the 1960s equivalent to "+1"?04:29
barryddaa: um: i agree with your recently voiced opinion04:29
Rinchenddaa, barry there is some value though in the "blocked" item.04:30
barrympt: more like early 90's version04:30
barryRinchen: right, so maybe just knock out 2/3 of the 3 sentences04:30
ddaaRinchen: yep, and it's the one that takes the least effort to produce04:30
SteveAthanks joey04:30
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Rinchenwelcome sir04:31
carlosnixternal: hi, now that we finished the meeting, what could we do for you?04:31
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Hobbseecarlos: he's gone04:32
Hobbseejust trying to figure what he wanted04:32
Hobbsee[00:17]  <nixternal> I have 1 more translation download and it keeps choking04:32
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kikohey jordi 04:33
Hobbseecarlos: that's all that he mentioned04:33
Hobbseedidnt mention which one, or anything04:33
carlosHobbsee: yeah, I saw it04:33
Rinchenbarry, ddaa - agreed04:33
carlosbut I need more info04:33
carlosHobbsee: thanks anyway...04:33
jordikiko: you told me you had found a few bike shops in Sevilla?04:34
ddaaRinchen: there's some echo in your line, maybe you need a terminator?04:34
kikojordi, I already bought the bike dude04:34
jordior was I supposed to find which were the good ones?04:34
Rinchennixternal, I just saw your comment. :-) 04:36
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seb128grrrr, launchpad is slow enough to timeout now04:43
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fabbioneSteveA, kiko: ping?04:46
salgadoseb128, the problem has already been identified and is being fixed04:47
SteveAfabbione: hi04:48
fabbioneSteveA: got time for a quick skype call?04:48
fabbionesalgado: ETA?04:48
SteveAfabbione: can't do skype, but I can phone you from the london office04:48
fabbioneSteveA: that works too... +45 25 13 64 7704:48
salgadofabbione, I guess only SteveA and elmo would be able to answer that04:49
seb128salgado: k04:50
elmoerr, let's not get over excited here04:51
elmowe're not going to fix the problem, we're going to alleviate one very obvious hot spot04:52
elmothat should help, but it's not a magic switch to turn the speed back on04:52
jameshmaybe we should ask people to use launchpad less04:52
stubelmo: Can you please press the 'more speed' button on production a few times?04:52
_NeilI think you should paint a racing stripe on the sever04:53
_Neilinstant +20% speed04:53
SteveAstub: can't find the speed in the office here04:54
SteveAstub: but there's a stack of unopened coke in the corner here04:54
stubI told them they should get red servers and not those boring black and beige things. But did they listen to me? Nooooo....04:54
Znarl...grey/black not beige.04:55
fabbionestub: the ones with yellow thingy with a black horse painted inside?04:56
stubfabbione: Sounds good! Expensive licenced logos help too!04:57
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cc_anyone can help me?05:36
cc_i was using ubuntu 7.04 beta and found it was good to use05:38
cc_my pc experienced an updates yesterday to ubuntu 7.04  (actually i'm not sure)05:39
cc_i found that the internet connection to launchpad is terribly poor05:39
_Neilcc_ There are issues atm05:40
_Neilits not just you05:40
cc_i cannot work on my translation05:40
_NeilI think its being fixed :)05:40
cc_other connection to other website is good05:41
salgadocc_, it's a problem with launchpad, and we're working on it05:41
cc_now i cannot connect to launchpad05:41
cc_thanks a lot, salgado05:42
cc_hopefully i can start my translation work soon05:42
cc_thanks again05:42
kikofabbione, what's up my man05:44
fabbionekiko: consigliere.. it's all good.. i already spoke with Steve05:44
fabbionekiko: thanks consigliere05:45
kikofabbione, is it good or bad news05:45
fabbionekiko: it was about the LP speed problem but it seems that everything is under control05:46
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LeeJunFanis it just me or is launchpad acting up?06:25
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kikoLeeJunFan, more specific.06:28
LeeJunFankiko: sry - I figured if it was that would be enough - probably just me then. Incomplete loads apparently. I'm not getting timeouts, but the format/layout is all messed up, etc.06:29
LeeJunFanand it takes a long time to load.06:29
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kikoLeeJunFan, and you're seeing this as of now?06:29
LeeJunFanhowever traceroute doesn't show any network problems.06:29
LeeJunFankiko: yeah.06:29
kikoSteveA, mthaddon, elmo: is the apache/pound issue known to be worked around, or is it a known problem we should note in our /topic?06:30
LeeJunFanI just had a timeout now.06:30
cynthiame too06:30
kikoa launchpad timeout, with oops, or not?06:30
cynthialaunchpad timeout06:30
cynthiacannot connect it06:30
kikowith an oops code?06:30
cynthiai am not sure06:31
cynthiai am very newbie to ubuntu06:31
cynthiai can go to the first page of launchpad06:31
cynthiawhen i select options, it is timeout and show nothing06:32
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SteveAkiko: not worked around yet06:32
LarstiQsaves me two redirects at least06:32
SteveAkiko: in progress06:32
SteveAkiko: note it in the topic if you think it'll help06:32
SteveAkiko: we don't know how much it will help, but it'll help us investigate06:33
LeeJunFanI got a complete load just now.06:33
ubotuNew bug: #105904 in malone "Misleading error message when user tries to edit a bug and is not logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10590406:36
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=== ..[topic/#launchpad:kiko] : Launchpad network performance issues being dealt with | Welcome to the Launchpad 1.0 public beta | Next user meeting: Wed 11 April 2007, 20.00UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 19 Apr 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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Tokyrnfiou lauchpad loading06:59
kikosee topic06:59
Tokyrnok thx07:00
Tokyrnthere are french here ?07:00
kikoddaa is french07:01
ddaasorry, I was born that way07:01
Tokyrni'm french and i have few question 07:02
ddaaHow uncharacteristic ;) Please go on.07:02
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Tokyrnddaa speak french ?07:04
ddaaI do.07:04
Tokyrnok sa veut dire quoi Translate newly by rosseta07:05
Tokyrnen plus ds que c'est traduit on peut pas voir que c'est untranslate07:05
ddaaje suppose que cela veut dire qu'une traduction a t faite dans Rosetta, par opposition  une traduction import depuis les .po du source.07:06
Tokyrnok c'ets un conflit non ?07:07
ddaaconflit comment a?07:07
Tokyrnya deux fichiers07:07
TokyrnRosetta c'est une personne ou un logiciel07:07
Tokyrnc'est un peu embrouill dans ma tete07:07
ddaaC'est le nom de code de translations.launchpad.net07:07
ddaac'est l'application de traduction de launchpad07:08
Tokyrna d'accord07:08
Tokyrncomme Kbabel ?07:08
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ddaad'une certain faon, oui07:11
Tokyrnmais pourquoi sa apparait comme a et non pas en translate ?07:11
ddaasauf que kbabel c'est un logiciel de bureau, et que Rosetta c'est une application web07:11
LarstiQis that que as in 'whereas'?07:12
ddaaL  ca devient trop pointu pour moi, je ne connais pas Rosetta... je suppose que si tu demande sur #ubuntu-fr tu trouveras des gens qui parlent Franais et qui utilisent Rosetta.07:12
Tokyrncar je fais des proposition de traduction et quand je filtre en untranslate des fichiers me sorte rien alors qui manque des choses non traduit07:12
ddaa... voir le message prcdent...07:16
Tokyrndaccord merci bien :)07:17
ddaaLarstiQ: "sauf que" == "except that"07:23
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ddaaright, that == whereas07:24
ddaabut trying to translate sentence constructs literally does not usually give good results :)07:24
ddaaat least when translating TO french...07:25
ddaaenglish speaking people are used to their language being jumbled out of recognition anyway07:25
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ddaaNeither are most yanks07:26
LarstiQand you don't have to fear I'll start speaking French, I'm just making sure I can parse it well enough07:26
NafalloI should learn french again :-)07:27
Nafallobeen at it a few times now :-P07:28
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ddaaha right, doing the performance appraisal thing :)07:30
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ddaamatsubara: I think I found what's causing the branch-scanner overruns...08:23
matsubaraddaa: cool. what's it?08:24
ddaathe new branch email stuff generates a diff for ever new history revision found in a branch08:24
ddaaregardless of whether it's going to be used08:24
ddaaI blame the reviewer for not blocking this.08:24
ddaaWell no.08:24
ddaaI don't blame the reviewer for letting this land, it was great time.08:24
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ddaaI blame... hu... bzr for being too slow!08:25
ddaadunno how much work it would be to fix that though...08:27
matsubaraddaa: I'll file a bug about it and you could add more info there.08:29
ddaaI guess we'll do some empirical measurements with thumper next week.08:30
ddaaSince he'll be at my place.08:30
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ddaaI have just looked at the code, so I have no evidence, but 1. there is a new overrun problem 2. I strongly suspect it's the culprit.08:30
matsubaraddaa: the landing you are referring ^ is r4059?08:31
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kikoddaa, ryanakca asked me to rename a product yesterday (kcypher to kcipher)08:34
kikoI did it.08:34
matsubarathanks for checking ddaa08:35
kikobut the link to codebrowse fails08:35
ddaait should not08:35
kikobecause it refers the old branch name.08:35
kikoany clue why?08:35
ddaaI believe codebrowse uses the same supermirror rewritemap...08:35
ddaamaybe there's a rsync cronscript missing to copy it there?08:36
ddaakiko: jamesh knows everything about codebrowse, I barely know enough to kill it and restart it.08:36
kikohang on.08:36
ddaaI need to leave now, I'm called for dinner.08:37
kikowake up launchpad..08:37
ddaakiko: cya leave me a message and I'll reply after dinner.08:38
kikoddaa, hmm, it seems to have fixed itself08:38
kikomaybe it just takes a while to resync08:39
kikoryanakca, ping?08:39
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ddaakiko: resync should happen every minute09:26
ddaawhen the supermirror-rewritemap cronscript runs09:27
kikoodd then09:27
ddaastub is the one in charge of that cronscript09:29
ddaamaybe he increased the cronscript interval09:29
ubotuNew bug: #105949 in launchpad-bazaar "branch scanner is running too slow for 1 minute cron interval." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10594909:31
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shirishguys anybody knows how to work with the blueprints thing?09:35
LarstiQshirish: yes09:36
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shirishLarstiQ: thank god, finally somebody09:36
shirishok I have filed one blueprint, can u take a look at it & tell me what I need to do in order to get somebodys attention09:36
LarstiQshirish: I'm willing to take a look, but I might not be able to help when it comes to content09:37
shirishok cool https://blueprints.launchpad.net/apport/+spec/shirish09:38
shirishlemme point out, I am no developer but this would be cool to have09:38
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LarstiQshirish: ok, for startes, that spec could be named better. Your title is 'apport having ftp, resumability & privacy handlers' while the name of the spec is 'shirish'09:39
LarstiQBetter to name it something like ftp-resumability-privacy then09:40
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shirishah that is a good name (term) but it has to do with apport09:40
KmosLP continues very slowly.. :(09:41
shirishand yes it is ubuntu-related, is there a specific way it should be done so its known its ubuntu-related09:41
Kmosisn't apache problem?09:41
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LarstiQshirish: it also reads more of an enumeration of issues instead of a spec :/09:41
LarstiQshirish: well, who do you expect to look at it?09:42
shirishLarstiQ: I am merely making a case for it09:42
shirishLarstiQ: people who are ubuntu-developers & esp. those people who are developing apport09:42
LarstiQI'm looking at it now, but I'm a Bazaar developer and am not involved with apport/ubuntu 09:42
LarstiQshirish: ok, do you know if launchpad.net/apport is actively used by those people?09:42
shirishLarstiQ: ok cool, any idea where or how to get hold of somebody who would be working on apport09:43
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LarstiQah, it has an active branch associated with it, so I suppose it's the right place afterall09:43
LarstiQshirish: I suggest you contact pitti09:44
LarstiQshirish: https://launchpad.net/~pitti09:45
shirishLarstiQ: what a co-incidence just there09:45
shirishLarstiQ: will keep this in mind, pretty useful09:46
LarstiQshirish: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bzr/+spec/smart-server for a comparison with one of our specs btw09:46
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shirishLarstiQ: i do understand its a kind of overview, which shows the dependencies which need to be worked on before the thing can be a reality09:47
shirishLarstiQ: alas, I do not have that kind of overview (not know enough)09:48
LarstiQshirish: the dependencies are only extra09:48
shirishLarstiQ: although I have seen similar implementation but different usage09:48
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LarstiQshirish: the overview of one coherent feature is important, the real meat is in the wiki09:49
LarstiQshirish: which is http://bazaar-vcs.org/SmartServer in this case09:49
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shirishok will have to think about it little more, read all I can on apport, & see how I can word it differently perhaps 09:51
shirishFirst I needed to flesh it out, now I need to polish it more, lord09:52
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shirishok thanx for your help, would look at it more tomorrow, send a mail to martin & another gentleman & see if I can get something moving09:56
shirishyou have been a great help09:56
LarstiQ pleased to be of help09:57
shirishok signing off for now bye :)09:58
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ryanakcakiko-afk: pong10:28
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