=== jthomas [n=jthomas@hotel.sierrabravo.net] has joined #launchpad [12:24] hello and launchpad devs here? i wanna help improve it! [12:26] jthomas: I once met a launchpad developer [12:26] jthomas: maybe even a couple [12:26] lol [12:32] well i hope someone reads this later, so I'll say it: When at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs there is a search field in the top right corner. I am there to report bugs. If i use that search field it starts bringing up projects and other stuff on Launchpad, all of which have nothing to do with the bug that I am trying to report. My suggestion is to make it more difficult to bounce all around the Launchpad site and just try to jail me [12:32] into the reason I came to that link: to report Bugs on Ubuntu, not elsewhere or other products or projects. Thanks! [12:32] radix: have a good one mate! [12:33] seeya === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-8f697840030e4701] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-6.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad [12:55] Good morning === tj9991 [n=tslocum@c-67-183-68-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === zeth [n=zeth@sblug/lugmaster/zeth] has left #launchpad [] [01:06] are there any similar websites like launchpad, as far as translation goes? === ryanakca [n=ryanakca@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has left #launchpad ["Konversation] === tj9991 [n=tslocum@c-67-183-68-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === freet15 [n=freet15@61.49.221.116] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.211] has joined #launchpad === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #launchpad [03:18] mpt: ping? [03:18] (poolie: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.) === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad [04:00] Gooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [04:01] hello mpt [04:09] hi poolie [04:10] and ajmitch :-) [04:10] New bug: #105741 in malone "give suggestions when marking bugs as duplicates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105741 [04:12] mpt: is there any way at present to get a list of bug tags? [04:12] it used to be on the bugs home page but it's gone... :( [04:13] poolie, there are hundreds of projects using Launchpad for bug tracking. You want the tags used by all of them? [04:13] Or just the ones used by, say, Bazaar? [04:14] just the ones used by bazaar [04:14] igc points out it's in a default-hidden pornlet on the bug listing page [04:14] t'would be nice if that were open by default, and also present on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr [04:15] fair enough, please report a bug on the latter [04:15] the former is already reported [04:15] (in a general "some should be open by default" form, not a specific "bug tags should be open by default" form) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.131.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:18] poolie: want to do a catch up call today? [04:23] spiv: ^^^ mpt's comments [04:24] mpt: I filed 105743 a little while ago. [04:25] New bug: #105743 in launchpad "Cannot find the list of bug tags used by a project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105743 [04:25] Ta-da. [04:31] spiv, thanks === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === caravena [n=caravena@240-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad [04:46] New bug: #105748 in malone "Xubuntu manual paticion version 20070411 in NTFS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105748 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [04:51] mpt: hi, i liked your post about lp search [04:51] New bug: #105749 in launchpad-bazaar "Help for project Code page is far too long" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105749 [04:51] thanks === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #launchpad [04:52] Does someone know which part of Launchpad is GPL and which part it isn't? [04:52] None and all, I believe. [04:53] Well, there's the SVN and CVS importer stuff that's GPL, I think. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad [04:54] On http://ubuntu-rocks.org/, Joey Stanford did an presentation about Launchpad and said that: Some parts of Launchpad have been released under the GPL. [04:55] That's what the LP FAQ says. === Theuni_ [n=ctheune@uter.gocept.com] has joined #launchpad === jml -> lunch [04:56] Nothing.... :-) [04:59] I will give a lecture tomorrow about Launchpad and some time ago someone asked me about this GPL info on LP. [04:59] And I don't know the answer yet. :-) [04:59] mpt, re search, maybe you could look at the strings people have submitted and try to work out what they thought they are searching for? [04:59] also, personally i only ever want local search [05:00] also, i suspect good global search may be hard to get right - to give the right weighting to all the things that might match [05:00] rpereira, https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs [05:00] mpt: That's the one. [05:00] therefore working useful search may be better [05:01] and finally you can do radiobuttons without needing to show them on the main page - just do the first search as local, then let people change the button and search again if they want [05:01] indeed [05:01] and finally^2, the best global search at the moment is probably just googling launchpad.net [05:02] Yeah, I use Google on launchpad sometimes [05:02] but it doesn't find (for example) private bug reports [05:02] or (often) bugs reported less than a week ago [05:02] but neither does our global search afaik [05:03] Really? I don't see why not [05:03] if you're logged in [05:03] mpt: you the man! :) I used google but i didn't got a good answer. My search on google returned every GPL project on launchpad. :) [05:03] s/got/get [05:04] mpt, ironically there is no global search on the homepage :) [05:04] mpt: if i use the search box at the moment it only searches projects [05:05] rpereira, we also contribute back to various other Free Software components that we use [05:05] New bug: #105751 in malone "When you do Manual partition open the thunar with the hard drive and you lose the install windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105751 [05:05] poolie, there's no global search on *any* page. [05:05] That's the problem. [05:06] Oh, by "our global search" I thought you meant the search form on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ [05:06] anyhow fwiw i'd be happy if the search form on bugs/bzr just searched bzr bugs [05:06] I'm not suggesting that change at all === mpt gets the horrible feeling that his mailing list message was extremely unclear [05:08] no, it was clear [05:09] basically all i'm saying is that although i agree with your first sentence that having a global search function is important [05:09] a- google provides an adequate global search [05:10] (though obviously lacking integration) [05:10] and [05:10] b- personally i think better local search is much much more important [05:18] ah, ok [05:18] Yeah, it annoys me when I fall into one of the current search's potholes [05:19] e.g. I know an exact phrase used in the summary of a bug I'm thinking of, but most of the words in that phrase are stop-words [05:19] or I want to search for bugs mentioning the word "upstream" === Fujitsu learnt a year ago that LP's search was a Bad Thing, and should be avoided. [05:21] or I want to search for anything involving punctuation === Joe_CoT [i=joe_cot@powerade.dreamhost.com] has joined #launchpad [05:28] is there a way to edit a spec on launchpad? I found a blueprint with an interesting idea, but it's old and needs a lot of work [05:30] so i'm not entirely sure what i'm supposed to do in such a case. Creating another one on the same topic doesn't sound like it's the answer [05:34] Joe_CoT, which blueprint in particular? === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [05:42] mpt: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/games-via-apt-torrent [05:42] i think apt-torrent integration is a good idea. it'll definately help as Ubuntu grows [05:43] I also think it's necessary in order to add good games to Ubuntu without killing the repos [05:43] but the tangent on integrating wine stuff loses me [05:44] Joe_CoT, the way to do this is [05:44] (1) Create a specification for this on wiki.ubuntu.com [05:45] A good place to start would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation?action=edit&template=SpecTemplate [05:46] ok [05:46] (2) at the bottom of the blueprint page, click "Set the URL for this specification", and enter the URL of the wiki.ubuntu.com page you created [05:46] "don't have permission" [05:47] ah, that's bad [05:47] that's a bug in Launchpad [05:47] ah, well then [05:47] So, you'll need to talk to Mangar (who registered the blueprint) [05:47] his/her e-mail address is on https://launchpad.net/~mycrapaccount [05:48] I'll correct that [05:48] ... his email is "mycrapaccount@hotmail.com". Could that possibly mean it's an account he doesn't check? [05:48] no [05:49] he has to have used it to make it active in lp [05:49] He/she must have checked it at least once, to confirm it [05:49] doesn't mean he still reads it [05:49] anyhow [05:49] I've set https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation as the url [05:50] okay, thanks. I'll start writing it up [05:58] bah. looking into it, there are way too many blueprints regarding using apt-torrent. [06:01] back [06:16] New bug: #105759 in blueprint ""Set the URL for this specification" is visible even if forbidden" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105759 === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad === infinite [n=chatzill@CABLE-206-188-94-196.cia.com] has joined #launchpad [06:32] join 3launchpad [06:32] join #launchpad [06:32] aw crap [06:33] so anybody here knows how to cancel my account on launch pad ? [06:33] guys ? [06:34] !patience | infinite [06:34] infinite: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped. Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [06:34] i realize that, sorry i suck at IRC [06:34] i wasn't even sure i'm in the channel or not .. [06:37] you are, and you're looking for someone who works on LP [06:37] inifinite: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2773 [06:37] Malone bug 2773 in launchpad "Let someone delete/remove/close their account" [High,Confirmed] [06:37] so i wasn't blind not finding an opt-out option [06:38] correct [06:39] The current method seems to be to put in a support ticket asking for your removal. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket [06:40] so that's where the launchpad support system/ticket thinggy is ! (i was blind there!) [06:40] figures! part of the system it self :P [06:42] well, launchpad is the central hub for bugs and support, so a support request to be removed from launchpad would also be made on launchpad. [06:44] yep that makes prefect sense [06:44] thanks guys [06:45] np [06:46] launchpad is cool and great, but i found that it's still too early to depend on it completely [06:46] maybe later in the future i will come back [06:46] Why are you deleting your account? [06:47] i was sold with the idea and the presentation [06:47] but i didn't find all the features i expected/wanted [06:47] i decided to go with a self hosted solution instead [06:48] like TRAC (yes i know it's not that great) [06:48] but its the next best thing [06:49] what features were expected but missing? === gmt_ [n=gentoo@host149-149-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #launchpad === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === mpt puts on some red-tinted glasses and reads https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-217-207.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has left #launchpad [] === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db444c4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar1 [n=Bhaskar1@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar1 [n=Bhaskar1@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #launchpad [] === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.34.218] has joined #launchpad [08:39] jamesh: ping [08:41] lifeless: pong [08:41] reviews-ping [08:41] thanks. I've got one open in my editor [08:42] cool. [08:42] 'nuff said. === cj [n=cjcollie@pdpc/supporter/monthlybronze/cj] has left #launchpad [] === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-44-35.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus [n=mholthau@193.159.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [09:11] morning === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.131.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@64.62.231.84] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-84-53.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === tokj [n=tk@151.82.6.37] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ is now known as mdz === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ is now known as mdz === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad === toodles [n=timtt@87-198-41-100.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #launchpad [11:19] carlos: here? [11:19] seb128: yes [11:19] carlos: what is required to get new templates imported to launchpad? do you need to validate them if they come from a package update? [11:19] if it's an update for something already imported [11:20] no, it's done automatically [11:20] but we had a small problem with the queue yesterday [11:20] k [11:20] so it may be delayed [11:20] because I uploaded a new network-manager yesterday [11:20] and the template is still outdated on launchpad [11:20] can you have a look? === mimilus is now known as mimilus1 [11:20] Hi all. I'm getting a proxy error on launchpad. Was just wondering if I should report a bug? See: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~smspie-devel/smspie/devel [11:20] it should be fixed today (or at least with a workaround) [11:20] cool [11:20] I'll likely fix other packages === mimilus1 is now known as mimilus [11:21] seb128: it's already approved, I saw it this morning [11:21] just waiting to be imported [11:21] would be nice to have a list of packages which don't ship a .pot [11:21] I noticed network-manager and it was not listed by you the other day === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-44-35.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [11:22] well, as we inherit from Edgy, we already had a .pot file imported, but an old one... [11:22] seb128: but yes, that's easily detectable [11:23] seb128: could you file a bug and I will see how to cook something for you? ;-) [11:23] could you make a list today so we can try to fix them? [11:23] toodles: there's a bug about that [11:23] toodles: the first time a branch is viewed in codebrowse it often times out while it generates some caches. [11:23] carlos: well, 7.04 is next week, it's late to start a bug filing game :p [11:23] spiv, cool thanks. I just tried it again. Seems to be working now anyway. [11:23] toodles: after that it seems to be fine. [11:23] spiv, nice one :-) [11:23] seb128: I could provide a list of templates that were not updated since long time ago [11:23] toodles: happy code browsing :) [11:24] spiv, thanks!! [11:24] seb128: well, that means we get it done for next release cycle [11:24] carlos: would be useful, can you make that long ago being a month? ;) [11:24] so we know which GNOME packages are to update [11:26] seb128: I will do both [11:26] carlos: thank you [11:26] one for the ones not updated after we open Feisty [11:26] and the other for the ones not updated since last month [11:26] carlos: you rock! [11:27] seb128: No, I would rock if you don't need to ask for those things ;-) [11:27] ;) === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-44-35.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === travlr [n=travlr@c-69-136-18-93.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [11:57] QUESTION: I'm trying to find information on how to link our external bug tracker (Trac) with malone and import it's data. === tj9991 [n=tslocum@c-67-183-68-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [12:00] travlr: hi [12:00] travlr: Do you want to use malone and stop using Trac? or just link Malone with your Trac? [12:02] carlos: Hi carlos, at this time we'd like just link with the external site. [12:02] travlr, what do you mean by "import its data"? [12:04] kiko: import existing active tickets, etc into launchpad. Is that possible? [12:05] travlr, we don't currently have a trac importer, but we could. I'm more interested in your use case -- why would you want to do that? to evaluate launchpad? [12:08] kiko: Well we're kind of excited by launchpad's unifying potential, and I'm just now trying to activate as much functionality as possible. [12:09] kiko: We're (PyTables) recently registered. [12:09] travlr, yeah, I see. [12:09] well, one project for this cycle is on-demand bug importers [12:09] so we'll have something you can use soon [12:09] anyway, afk, bbiab [12:10] kiko: Sorry not up on irc jargon: bbiab? [12:12] travlr: "be back in a bit" [12:12] Spads: Right... [12:14] kiko: (so we'll have something you can use soon)... Thanks for your help. Lookin' forward to using launchpad! === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [12:55] New bug: #105845 in launchpad "More graceful failure notification for launchpad needed?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105845 === TeTeT_ [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.103.152.37] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer_ [n=niemeyer@200.103.152.37] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === Yannig [n=yannig@AToulouse-157-1-34-4.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad [01:14] morning, guys [01:14] Hi Celso [01:15] mpt: hi there, how are you doing ? === _mholthaus [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad [01:31] cprov, good, just fixed a bug === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.103.152.37] has joined #launchpad [01:34] mpt: btw, i'm owning some ui to you, #87281 & #105690 === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #Launchpad [01:35] owning? [01:35] mpt: can you give me your opinion about the last one ? that page is really broken. [01:35] bug 87281 [01:35] Malone bug 87281 in soyuz "Build page is a mess in the 1.0 layout" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87281 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [01:35] bug 105690 [01:35] Malone bug 105690 in soyuz "Developers should be able to view binary publishing history" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105690 [01:36] mpt: I said I would find some time to work on it ... but not yet :( [01:37] Ah, so all the data is already there [01:37] it just needs to be presented in a table or something [01:37] ok, that's fairly easy [01:39] mpt: you may want to change the way we present each binary pub history to something similar to the source pub history. Yes, tables. [01:40] ok [01:40] btw, the location bar is probably going too deep on those pages [01:40] because it's making all the tabs except "Overview" disabled === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-59.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad [01:41] hmmm, maybe not [01:41] confusion vs. usefulness, usefulness vs. confusion [01:43] mpt: I'm more than happy to apply anything you suggest. People don't really use those pages yet, they are still very hard to reach. [01:45] New bug: #105855 in rosetta "Finish gettext-po bindings and use that parser for imports" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105855 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad [02:23] Hi matsubara [02:24] hello jwendell [02:24] matsubara, can i own tsclient product on LP? [02:26] jwendell: sure, your LP Id is wendell, right? [02:26] matsubara, right [02:27] jwendell: done [02:27] matsubara, thanks! === Mase [n=am@219-90-221-133.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #launchpad [02:54] seb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileboR0hk.html [02:55] seb128: well, change 'Templates' with 'SourcePackageName' [03:01] carlos: thank you [03:02] if the template has not changed it's not imported again, right? === jwendell is now known as nick_ocupado [03:05] seb128: right [03:05] maybe we updated the .po files, but the .pot file was not touched === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:07] seb128: indeed, network manager is detect with this kind of queries... === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad [03:08] seb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8lhiC8.html [03:09] seb128: that's the list of packages that have .pot files that were not updated since Feisty was open for translations [03:10] seb128: which means, either we miss a .pot file (like network-manager) or Feisty packages doesn't have those translations anymore or got renamed (although we don't have any pending .pot file to be approved) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.192.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [03:13] carlos: cool [03:14] carlos: do you know how long the import will take? network-manager is still not update since yesterday evening :/ [03:14] I unblocked the queue (again) an hour ago [03:14] so it should happen in next 4-5 hours [03:14] ok [03:15] I will do some reviews to get everything approved in time === seb128 hugs carlos [03:15] in fact, I'm going to approve the .pot file manually so it's imported as soon as possible [03:18] carlos: I see the 1 hour timeout was still not enough. [03:18] stub: yeah, you can revert that change [03:18] we blocked that entry and will fix the issue [03:18] stub: it took 2 hours and 10 minutes on carbon [03:18] just to parse the file [03:19] so no DB commands are sent until that process finish [03:19] carlos: I can extend the limit to 4 hours if it will help with the feisty release - we can survive with that much (but not for more than a day) [03:19] But if you have enough time to fix it properly, that would be best. [03:19] stub: I will know once we talk with kiko [03:20] stub: anyway, I don't want to import that file until tomorrow [03:20] so language pack imports are not delayed [03:20] New bug: #105869 in launchpad-bazaar "Broken subscription code path in BranchView lead to oops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105869 [03:21] stub: is there anyone that could do DBA tasks while you are not around? [03:21] I think we got someone to help you there, but I'm not sure whether he's able to do this kind of things === jinty [n=jinty@84.78.183.65] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-080-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [03:26] carlos: robert, elmo, tom and other admins have permissions, but it depends if they are confident doing what you ask. [03:26] yeah, that's why I'm asking about a DBA back [03:26] backup [03:26] stub: we are testing an script that we will need to execute in production as soon as possible (after today's midnight) [03:26] What needs to be done tomorrow? I should be around tomorrow until your morning [03:26] so we would need also someone to run it once we validate it in carbon later today [03:26] oh, really? [03:26] ok, then I will mail you the details [03:27] stub: thanks [03:27] I can run it in about 15 hours [03:27] (with a hangover) [03:28] stub: well, I will give you all steps you need to do quite clear so you don't need to think too much [03:28] :-) [03:28] Are you at UTC or UTC+1? [03:28] stub: although maybe, you could take a look to the code now: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/danilo/launchpad/oo-template-migration/full-diff [03:28] stub: UTC + 2 [03:29] it could be executed after 23:00 UTC [03:29] once the db mirror proces starts [03:29] I expect to be partying with a water pistol and a bottle of tequila at around 10am your time tomorrow. So try to get me earlier :) [03:29] :-P [03:29] ok [03:29] stub: try a bottle of water and tequila pistol :P [03:29] Will do, don't worry [03:31] stub: thank you for your help === carlos -> lunch [03:31] cheers [03:31] dear LP guys.. please make LP faster. kthxbye [03:31] What are the changes to security.cfg for? [03:31] it's becoming almost unuseable [03:31] fabbione: yeh i agree [03:31] i am considering putting a project up [03:32] it looks fantastic but it's very very slow [03:32] is it just b/c its using https ? [03:32] Mase: it's a problem that did show up only recently so no [03:32] nothing to do with https [03:32] oh ok [03:32] fair enough [03:32] i will await it's resolution before judging it :) [03:33] Mase: it was very fast up to a few days back... [03:33] cool [03:34] what is bazaar like to use ? [03:34] any issues ? I've come to trust svn quite heavily [03:34] and so moving to another vc system is quite daunting [03:35] stub: leftovers from when I used rosettaadmin user, removed in latest revision (not yet pushed) [03:35] bzr is rock solid I find [03:35] stub: the same is true for pomsgset.copyTo which is removed [03:36] stub how does it deal with binary files ? and larger files ? === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [03:38] stub: it does deal with them [03:39] this is not an area that has had a lot of attention, so it might not perform very well, but it sure does work [03:39] Mase: ^ that was for you, not stub [03:39] I haven't played with files more than 20 or 30 kb in a tree, so you might want to run some tests. [03:40] thanks. For the immediate future binary and large files aren't an issue [03:40] but i was more asking out of curiousity [03:40] curiosity* [03:40] out of experience, I can tell you that bzr is really nice (and it's not only because I work here) [03:41] there are some intrinsic differences compared to svn, but it's designed to support workflows very close to svn usage [03:41] and the UI should be no problem to learn for a svn user [03:42] any good books/ docs. I really quite like the idea of launchpad. Esp since one of the projects will be based on ubuntu [03:42] well at this stage it looks likely [03:42] unless to you have very high requirements for performance or GUI support, bzr is best all around solution [03:43] Mase: sabdfl wrote a Launchpad guide that's not bad, not sure where it is though... [03:43] mrevell: do you know? [03:43] ddaa: Yep, just a sec [03:43] well ...i like the idea that i have a gui. I have a nice integrated environment with kdevelop/kdesvn....however i've only used it once ,then went back to CLI :) [03:43] Mase: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/ [03:44] Mase: honestly, svn beats the shit ouf the competition on GUI support and environment integration. [03:44] mrevell: cheers. Noticed your running in your local election. I wish you luck :) [03:44] Mase: Oh, thanks :) [03:45] ddaa: yeh like i said, i only actually used it once. CLI was more efficient . So not having a gui means little :) [03:46] Mase: for reference, the primary design goal of bzr is "be a joy to use" [03:46] ddaa: And it does that very well :) [03:46] ddaa: really. Sounds promising. [03:47] compared to svn which was more something like "be mostly like cvs, unless less broken" [03:47] i quite like svn...only that yeh launchpad doesn't use it, so using launchpad would be my incentive to change. [03:48] svn does have some good things for it [03:48] but centralized version control is so 20th century :) === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad [03:48] i like the idea of offline commits. [03:48] with bzr [03:48] but i guess merging is somewhat scary with svn [03:48] DVCS generally has a lot of advantages, offline commit is just the most obvious one [03:50] how do you deal with tagging in bzr ? [03:50] there's some basic tagging support introduced in the very last released [03:50] tags are not versioned, and associated to branches... frankly I have never used it or felt the need for it, so I may not be the best person to explain. [03:51] ok. cool. what about "hooks" [03:51] but you can also use svn's approach to tagging, and use branches... [03:51] oh yeh [03:51] Isn't a tag just a name assigned to a revision? [03:52] nah its pretty much a branch [03:52] just called something else :) [03:52] hooks: bzr is very extensible, but the nature of distributed version control and the support for dumb servers make it hard to support hooks use cases for svn-like workflows. [03:52] I meant in bzr. [03:53] Fujitsu: yes, there's an actual "tag feature" now, but as I said I'm not familiar with it. [03:53] I find that branches are enough for my needs. [03:53] ddaa: yeh i see your point. Basically , since some of the project is in xml, what I would like to do is make it so people can't "commit" broken xml. (i.e that doesn't conform to dtd/ relaxNg) etc.. [03:53] Mase: about hooks, you'd need to be more specific about the use case to get a more useful answer. [03:53] ^ see above :) === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad [03:54] if i actually get around to that, who knows...maybe when it's released someone will :) [03:54] Mase: there are various ways to do it. You can write a plugin that does the check on pre-commit on users [03:54] ddaa: osm [03:54] oops [03:55] yeh that is basically all the hook does at the moment [03:55] just doesn't actually "validate" [03:55] Mase: but if you want to ensure consistency on the mainline, and allow multiple people to commit to it, you need to use a robot to act as a gatekeeper. [03:55] That's a consequence of the dumb-server protocol [03:55] ddaa: prolly need to play with it a bit now i guess. [03:56] as i didn't really understand the significance of the mainline :) [03:56] there's an smart server is active development that will make it possible to do this sort of checks more transparently on remote commit. [03:56] sounds pretty promising. I'll give it ago on the weekend i think. [03:56] Mase: well... mainline is what you would call "the branch" in svn. === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host216-173-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad [03:57] Where a bzr branch is closer in purpose to a svn checkout. [03:57] oh i see [03:57] The advantage of DVCS come largely from the fact that people work on real branches at home instead of just on a checkout. [03:58] Though bzr _does_ support the svn approach. [03:58] me === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [03:59] erk [03:59] connection timeout on launchpad [03:59] ddaa: ok..so say i "checkout" a tree from the mainline for my home workstation..and do my local commits....but i have a laptop..which i also want to take with me, can i then "check out" my home version ? [04:00] hack away..and commit back to my home version [04:00] then merge that back in with the mainline later ? [04:00] Welcome to this week's... [04:00] Launchpad Development Meeting === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-232-143.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad [04:00] Mase: pretty much, but 1. better ask on #bzr 2. there's a meeting now and here [04:00] for the next 45 minutes, we'll be coordinating and reporting status on Launchpad development [04:00] who's here today? [04:00] me from sunny and warm London [04:00] here [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] me [04:00] ddaa: ok cool. I'll go. THanks for your help [04:00]