[12:24] <jthomas> hello and launchpad devs here?  i wanna help improve it!
[12:26] <radix> jthomas:  I once met a launchpad developer
[12:26] <radix> jthomas: maybe even a couple
[12:26] <jthomas> lol
[12:32] <jthomas> well i hope someone reads this later, so I'll say it:  When at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs there is a search field in the top right corner.  I am there to report bugs.  If i use that search field it starts bringing up projects and other stuff on Launchpad, all of which have nothing to do with the bug that I am trying to report.  My suggestion is to make it more difficult to bounce all around the Launchpad site and just try to jail me
[12:32] <jthomas> into the reason I came to that link: to report Bugs on Ubuntu, not elsewhere or other products or projects.  Thanks!
[12:32] <jthomas> radix: have a good one mate!
[12:33] <radix> seeya
[12:55] <jml> Good morning
[01:06] <tj9991> are there any similar websites like launchpad, as far as translation goes?
[03:18] <poolie> mpt: ping?
[03:18] <mpt> (poolie: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.)
[04:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:01] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[04:09] <mpt> hi poolie 
[04:10] <mpt> and ajmitch :-)
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #105741 in malone "give suggestions when marking bugs as duplicates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105741
[04:12] <poolie> mpt: is there any way at present to get a list of bug tags?
[04:12] <poolie> it used to be on the bugs home page but it's gone... :(
[04:13] <mpt> poolie, there are hundreds of projects using Launchpad for bug tracking. You want the tags used by all of them?
[04:13] <mpt> Or just the ones used by, say, Bazaar?
[04:14] <poolie> just the ones used by bazaar
[04:14] <poolie> igc points out it's in a default-hidden pornlet on the bug listing page
[04:14] <poolie> t'would be nice if that were open by default, and also present on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr
[04:15] <mpt> fair enough, please report a bug on the latter
[04:15] <mpt> the former is already reported
[04:15] <mpt> (in a general "some should be open by default" form, not a specific "bug tags should be open by default" form)
[04:18] <jml> poolie: want to do a catch up call today?
[04:23] <poolie> spiv: ^^^ mpt's comments
[04:24] <spiv> mpt: I filed 105743 a little while ago.
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #105743 in launchpad "Cannot find the list of bug tags used by a project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105743
[04:25] <spiv> Ta-da.
[04:31] <poolie> spiv, thanks
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #105748 in malone "Xubuntu manual paticion version 20070411 in NTFS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105748
[04:51] <poolie> mpt: hi, i liked your post about lp search
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #105749 in launchpad-bazaar "Help for project Code page is far too long" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105749
[04:51] <mpt> thanks
[04:52] <rpereira> Does someone know which part of Launchpad is GPL and which part it isn't?
[04:52] <Fujitsu> None and all, I believe.
[04:53] <Fujitsu> Well, there's the SVN and CVS importer stuff that's GPL, I think.
[04:54] <rpereira> On http://ubuntu-rocks.org/, Joey Stanford did an presentation about Launchpad and said that: Some parts of Launchpad have been released under the GPL.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> That's what the LP FAQ says.
[04:56] <rpereira> Nothing.... :-)
[04:59] <rpereira> I will give a lecture tomorrow about Launchpad and some time ago someone asked me about this GPL info on LP.
[04:59] <rpereira> And I don't know the answer yet. :-)
[04:59] <poolie> mpt, re search, maybe you could look at the strings people have submitted and try to work out what they thought they are searching for?
[04:59] <poolie> also, personally i only ever want local search
[05:00] <poolie> also, i suspect good global search may be hard to get right - to give the right weighting to all the things that might match
[05:00] <mpt> rpereira, https://launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs
[05:00] <Fujitsu> mpt: That's the one.
[05:00] <poolie> therefore working useful search may be better
[05:01] <poolie> and finally you can do radiobuttons without needing to show them on the main page - just do the first search as local, then let people change the button and search again if they want
[05:01] <mpt> indeed
[05:01] <poolie> and finally^2, the best global search at the moment is probably just googling launchpad.net
[05:02] <mpt> Yeah, I use Google on launchpad sometimes
[05:02] <mpt> but it doesn't find (for example) private bug reports
[05:02] <mpt> or (often) bugs reported less than a week ago
[05:02] <poolie> but neither does our global search afaik
[05:03] <mpt> Really? I don't see why not
[05:03] <mpt> if you're logged in
[05:03] <rpereira> mpt: you the man! :) I used google but i didn't got a good answer. My search on google returned every GPL project on launchpad. :)
[05:03] <rpereira> s/got/get
[05:04] <poolie> mpt, ironically there is no global search on the homepage :)
[05:04] <poolie> mpt: if i use the search box at the moment it only searches projects 
[05:05] <mpt> rpereira, we also contribute back to various other Free Software components that we use
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #105751 in malone "When you do Manual partition  open the thunar with the hard drive and you lose the install windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105751
[05:05] <mpt> poolie, there's no global search on *any* page.
[05:05] <mpt> That's the problem.
[05:06] <mpt> Oh, by "our global search" I thought you meant the search form on https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[05:06] <poolie> anyhow fwiw i'd be happy if the search form on bugs/bzr just searched bzr bugs
[05:06] <mpt> I'm not suggesting that change at all
[05:08] <poolie> no, it was clear
[05:09] <poolie> basically all i'm saying is that although i agree with your first sentence that having a global search function is important
[05:09] <poolie> a- google provides an adequate global search
[05:10] <poolie> (though obviously lacking integration)
[05:10] <poolie> and 
[05:10] <poolie> b- personally i think better local search is much much more important
[05:18] <mpt> ah, ok
[05:18] <mpt> Yeah, it annoys me when I fall into one of the current search's potholes
[05:19] <mpt> e.g. I know an exact phrase used in the summary of a bug I'm thinking of, but most of the words in that phrase are stop-words
[05:19] <mpt> or I want to search for bugs mentioning the word "upstream"
[05:21] <mpt> or I want to search for anything involving punctuation
[05:28] <Joe_CoT> is there a way to edit a spec on launchpad? I found a blueprint with an interesting idea, but it's old and needs a lot of work
[05:30] <Joe_CoT> so i'm not entirely sure what i'm supposed to do in such a case. Creating another one on the same topic doesn't sound like it's the answer
[05:34] <mpt> Joe_CoT, which blueprint in particular?
[05:42] <Joe_CoT> mpt: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/games-via-apt-torrent
[05:42] <Joe_CoT> i think apt-torrent integration is a good idea. it'll definately help as Ubuntu grows
[05:43] <Joe_CoT> I also think it's necessary in order to add good games to Ubuntu without killing the repos
[05:43] <Joe_CoT> but the tangent on integrating wine stuff loses me
[05:44] <mpt> Joe_CoT, the way to do this is
[05:44] <mpt> (1) Create a specification for this on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:45] <mpt> A good place to start would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation?action=edit&template=SpecTemplate
[05:46] <Joe_CoT> ok
[05:46] <mpt> (2) at the bottom of the blueprint page, click "Set the URL for this specification", and enter the URL of the wiki.ubuntu.com page you created
[05:46] <Joe_CoT> "don't have permission"
[05:47] <mpt> ah, that's bad
[05:47] <mpt> that's a bug in Launchpad
[05:47] <Joe_CoT> ah, well then
[05:47] <mpt> So, you'll need to talk to Mangar (who registered the blueprint)
[05:47] <mpt> his/her e-mail address is on https://launchpad.net/~mycrapaccount
[05:48] <lifeless> I'll correct that
[05:48] <Joe_CoT> ... his email is "mycrapaccount@hotmail.com". Could that possibly mean it's an account he doesn't check?
[05:48] <lifeless> no
[05:49] <lifeless> he has to have used it to make it active in lp
[05:49] <mpt> He/she must have checked it at least once, to confirm it
[05:49] <lifeless> doesn't mean he still reads it
[05:49] <lifeless> anyhow
[05:49] <lifeless> I've set https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptTorrentGameInstallation as the url
[05:50] <Joe_CoT> okay, thanks. I'll start writing it up
[05:58] <Joe_CoT> bah. looking into it, there are way too many blueprints regarding using apt-torrent.
[06:01] <jml> back
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #105759 in blueprint ""Set the URL for this specification" is visible even if forbidden" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105759
[06:32] <infinite> join 3launchpad
[06:32] <infinite> join #launchpad
[06:32] <infinite> aw crap
[06:33] <infinite> so anybody here knows how to cancel my account on launch pad ?
[06:33] <infinite> guys ?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> !patience | infinite 
[06:34] <ubotu> infinite: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:34] <infinite> i realize that, sorry i suck at IRC
[06:34] <infinite> i wasn't even sure i'm in the channel or not ..
[06:37] <Hobbsee> you are, and you're looking for someone who works on LP
[06:37] <Joe_CoT> inifinite: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2773
[06:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 2773 in launchpad "Let someone delete/remove/close their account" [High,Confirmed]  
[06:37] <infinite> so i wasn't blind not finding an opt-out option
[06:38] <Hobbsee> correct
[06:39] <Joe_CoT> The current method seems to be to put in a support ticket asking for your removal. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket
[06:40] <infinite> so that's where the launchpad support system/ticket thinggy is ! (i was blind there!)
[06:40] <infinite> figures! part of the system it self :P
[06:42] <Joe_CoT> well, launchpad is the central hub for bugs and support, so a support request to be removed from launchpad would also be made on launchpad.
[06:44] <infinite> yep that makes prefect sense 
[06:44] <infinite> thanks guys
[06:45] <Joe_CoT> np
[06:46] <infinite> launchpad is cool and great, but i found that it's still too early to depend on it completely 
[06:46] <infinite> maybe later in the future i will come back 
[06:46] <Fujitsu> Why are you deleting your account?
[06:47] <infinite> i was sold with the idea and the presentation
[06:47] <infinite> but i didn't find all the features i expected/wanted
[06:47] <infinite> i decided to go with a self hosted solution instead 
[06:48] <infinite> like TRAC (yes i know it's not that great)
[06:48] <infinite> but its the next best thing
[06:49] <Joe_CoT> what features were expected but missing?
[08:39] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[08:41] <jamesh> lifeless: pong
[08:41] <lifeless> reviews-ping
[08:41] <jamesh> thanks.  I've got one open in my editor
[08:42] <lifeless> cool.
[08:42] <lifeless> 'nuff said.
[09:11] <carlos> morning
[11:19] <seb128> carlos: here?
[11:19] <carlos> seb128: yes
[11:19] <seb128> carlos: what is required to get new templates imported to launchpad? do you need to validate them if they come from a package update?
[11:19] <carlos> if it's an update for something already imported
[11:20] <carlos> no, it's done automatically
[11:20] <carlos> but we had a small problem with the queue yesterday
[11:20] <seb128> k
[11:20] <carlos> so it may be delayed
[11:20] <seb128> because I uploaded a new network-manager yesterday
[11:20] <seb128> and the template is still outdated on launchpad
[11:20] <seb128> can you have a look?
[11:20] <toodles> Hi all. I'm getting a proxy error on launchpad. Was just wondering if I should report a bug? See: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~smspie-devel/smspie/devel
[11:20] <carlos> it should be fixed today (or at least with a workaround)
[11:20] <seb128> cool
[11:20] <seb128> I'll likely fix other packages
[11:21] <carlos> seb128: it's already approved, I saw it this morning
[11:21] <carlos> just waiting to be imported
[11:21] <seb128> would be nice to have a list of packages which don't ship a .pot
[11:21] <seb128> I noticed network-manager and it was not listed by you the other day
[11:22] <carlos> well, as we inherit from Edgy, we already had a .pot file imported, but an old one...
[11:22] <carlos> seb128: but yes, that's easily detectable
[11:23] <carlos> seb128: could you file a bug and I will see how to cook something for you?  ;-)
[11:23] <seb128> could you make a list today so we can try to fix them?
[11:23] <spiv> toodles: there's a bug about that
[11:23] <spiv> toodles: the first time a branch is viewed in codebrowse it often times out while it generates some caches.
[11:23] <seb128> carlos: well, 7.04 is next week, it's late to start a bug filing game :p
[11:23] <toodles> spiv, cool thanks. I just tried it again. Seems to be working now anyway.
[11:23] <spiv> toodles: after that it seems to be fine.
[11:23] <toodles> spiv, nice one :-)
[11:23] <carlos> seb128: I could provide a list of templates that were not updated since long time ago
[11:23] <spiv> toodles: happy code browsing :)
[11:24] <toodles> spiv, thanks!!
[11:24] <carlos> seb128: well, that means we get it done for next release cycle
[11:24] <seb128> carlos: would be useful, can you make that long ago being a month? ;)
[11:24] <seb128> so we know which GNOME packages are to update
[11:26] <carlos> seb128: I will do both
[11:26] <seb128> carlos: thank you
[11:26] <carlos> one for the ones not updated after we open Feisty
[11:26] <carlos> and the other for the ones not updated since last month
[11:26] <seb128> carlos: you rock!
[11:27] <carlos> seb128: No, I would rock if you don't need to ask for those things ;-)
[11:27] <seb128> ;)
[11:57] <travlr> QUESTION: I'm trying to find information on how to link our external bug tracker (Trac) with malone and import it's data.
[12:00] <carlos> travlr: hi
[12:00] <carlos> travlr: Do you want to use malone and stop using Trac? or just link Malone with your Trac?
[12:02] <travlr> carlos: Hi carlos, at this time we'd like just link with the external site.
[12:02] <kiko-afk> travlr, what do you mean by "import its data"?
[12:04] <travlr> kiko: import existing active tickets, etc into launchpad. Is that possible?
[12:05] <kiko-afk> travlr, we don't currently have a trac importer, but we could. I'm more interested in your use case -- why would you want to do that? to evaluate launchpad?
[12:08] <travlr> kiko: Well we're kind of excited by launchpad's unifying potential, and I'm just now trying to activate as much functionality as possible. 
[12:09] <travlr> kiko: We're (PyTables) recently registered.
[12:09] <kiko-afk> travlr, yeah, I see.
[12:09] <kiko-afk> well, one project for this cycle is on-demand bug importers
[12:09] <kiko-afk> so we'll have something you can use soon
[12:09] <kiko-afk> anyway, afk, bbiab
[12:10] <travlr> kiko: Sorry not up on irc jargon: bbiab?
[12:12] <Spads> travlr: "be back in a bit"
[12:12] <travlr> Spads: Right...
[12:14] <travlr> kiko: (so we'll have something you can use soon)... Thanks for your help. Lookin' forward to using launchpad!
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #105845 in launchpad "More graceful failure notification for launchpad needed?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105845
[01:14] <cprov> morning, guys
[01:14] <mpt> Hi Celso
[01:15] <cprov> mpt: hi there, how are you doing ?
[01:31] <mpt> cprov, good, just fixed a bug
[01:34] <cprov> mpt: btw, i'm owning some ui to you, #87281 & #105690
[01:35] <mpt> owning?
[01:35] <cprov> mpt: can you give me your opinion about the last one ? that page is really broken.
[01:35] <mpt> bug 87281
[01:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 87281 in soyuz "Build page is a mess in the 1.0 layout" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87281 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[01:35] <mpt> bug 105690
[01:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 105690 in soyuz "Developers should be able to view binary publishing history" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105690
[01:36] <cprov> mpt: I said I would find some time to work on it ... but not yet :(
[01:37] <mpt> Ah, so all the data is already there
[01:37] <mpt> it just needs to be presented in a table or something
[01:37] <mpt> ok, that's fairly easy
[01:39] <cprov> mpt: you may want to change the way we present each binary pub history to something similar to the source pub history. Yes, tables.
[01:40] <mpt> ok
[01:40] <mpt> btw, the location bar is probably going too deep on those pages
[01:40] <mpt> because it's making all the tabs except "Overview" disabled
[01:41] <mpt> hmmm, maybe not
[01:41] <mpt> confusion vs. usefulness, usefulness vs. confusion
[01:43] <cprov> mpt: I'm more than happy to apply anything you suggest. People don't really use those pages yet, they are still very hard to reach.
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #105855 in rosetta "Finish gettext-po bindings and use that parser for imports" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105855
[02:23] <jwendell> Hi matsubara 
[02:24] <matsubara> hello jwendell 
[02:24] <jwendell> matsubara, can i own tsclient product on LP?
[02:26] <matsubara> jwendell: sure, your LP Id is wendell, right?
[02:26] <jwendell> matsubara, right
[02:27] <matsubara> jwendell: done
[02:27] <jwendell> matsubara, thanks!
[02:54] <carlos> seb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileboR0hk.html
[02:55] <carlos> seb128: well, change 'Templates' with 'SourcePackageName'
[03:01] <seb128> carlos: thank you
[03:02] <seb128> if the template has not changed it's not imported again, right?
[03:05] <carlos> seb128: right
[03:05] <carlos> maybe we updated the .po files, but the .pot file was not touched
[03:07] <carlos> seb128: indeed, network manager is detect with this kind of queries...
[03:08] <carlos> seb128: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8lhiC8.html
[03:09] <carlos> seb128: that's the list of packages that have .pot files that were not updated since Feisty was open for translations
[03:10] <carlos> seb128: which means, either we miss a .pot file (like network-manager) or Feisty packages doesn't have those translations anymore or got renamed (although we don't have any pending .pot file to be approved)
[03:13] <seb128> carlos: cool
[03:14] <seb128> carlos: do you know how long the import will take? network-manager is still not update since yesterday evening :/
[03:14] <carlos> I unblocked the queue (again) an hour ago
[03:14] <carlos> so it should happen in next 4-5 hours
[03:14] <seb128> ok
[03:15] <carlos> I will do some reviews to get everything approved in time
[03:15] <carlos> in fact, I'm going to approve the .pot file manually so it's imported as soon as possible
[03:18] <stub> carlos: I see the 1 hour timeout was still not enough.
[03:18] <carlos> stub: yeah, you can revert that change
[03:18] <carlos> we blocked that entry and will fix the issue
[03:18] <carlos> stub: it took 2 hours and 10 minutes on carbon
[03:18] <carlos> just to parse the file
[03:19] <carlos> so no DB commands are sent until that process finish
[03:19] <stub> carlos: I can extend the limit to 4 hours if it will help with the feisty release - we can survive with that much (but not for more than a day)
[03:19] <stub> But if you have enough time to fix it properly, that would be best.
[03:19] <carlos> stub: I will know once we talk with kiko
[03:20] <carlos> stub: anyway, I don't want to import that file until tomorrow
[03:20] <carlos> so language pack imports are not delayed
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #105869 in launchpad-bazaar "Broken subscription code path in BranchView lead to oops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105869
[03:21] <carlos> stub: is there anyone that could do DBA tasks while you are not around?
[03:21] <carlos> I think we got someone to help you there, but I'm not sure whether he's able to do this kind of things
[03:26] <stub> carlos: robert, elmo, tom and other admins have permissions, but it depends if they are confident doing what you ask.
[03:26] <carlos> yeah, that's why I'm asking about a DBA back
[03:26] <carlos> backup
[03:26] <carlos> stub: we are testing an script that we will need to execute in production as soon as possible (after today's midnight)
[03:26] <stub> What needs to be done tomorrow? I should be around tomorrow until your morning
[03:26] <carlos> so we would need also someone to run it once we validate it in carbon later today
[03:26] <carlos> oh, really?
[03:26] <carlos> ok, then I will mail you the details
[03:27] <carlos> stub: thanks
[03:27] <stub> I can run it in about 15 hours
[03:27] <stub> (with a hangover)
[03:28] <carlos> stub: well, I will give you all steps you need to do quite clear so you don't need to think too much
[03:28] <carlos> :-)
[03:28] <stub> Are you at UTC or UTC+1?
[03:28] <carlos> stub: although maybe, you could take a look to the code now: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/danilo/launchpad/oo-template-migration/full-diff
[03:28] <carlos> stub: UTC + 2
[03:29] <carlos> it could be executed after 23:00 UTC 
[03:29] <carlos> once the db mirror proces starts
[03:29] <stub> I expect to be partying with a water pistol and a bottle of tequila at around 10am your time tomorrow. So try to get me earlier :)
[03:29] <carlos> :-P
[03:29] <carlos> ok
[03:29] <danilos> stub: try a bottle of water and tequila pistol :P
[03:29] <carlos> Will do, don't worry
[03:31] <carlos> stub: thank you for your help
[03:31] <carlos> cheers
[03:31] <fabbione> dear LP guys.. please make LP faster. kthxbye
[03:31] <stub> What are the changes to security.cfg for?
[03:31] <fabbione> it's becoming almost unuseable
[03:31] <Mase> fabbione: yeh i agree
[03:31] <Mase> i am considering putting a project up
[03:32] <Mase> it looks fantastic but it's very very slow
[03:32] <Mase> is it just b/c its using https ?
[03:32] <fabbione> Mase: it's a problem that did show up only recently so no
[03:32] <fabbione> nothing to do with https
[03:32] <Mase> oh ok
[03:32] <Mase> fair enough
[03:32] <Mase> i will await it's resolution before judging it :)
[03:33] <fabbione> Mase: it was very fast up to a few days back...
[03:33] <Mase> cool
[03:34] <Mase> what is bazaar like to use ?
[03:34] <Mase> any issues ? I've  come to trust svn quite heavily
[03:34] <Mase> and so moving to another vc system is quite daunting
[03:35] <danilos> stub: leftovers from when I used rosettaadmin user, removed in latest revision (not yet pushed)
[03:35] <stub> bzr is rock solid I find
[03:35] <danilos> stub: the same is true for pomsgset.copyTo which is removed
[03:36] <Mase> stub how does it deal with binary files ? and larger files ?
[03:38] <ddaa> stub: it does deal with them
[03:39] <ddaa> this is not an area that has had a lot of attention, so it might not perform very well, but it sure does work
[03:39] <ddaa> Mase: ^ that was for you, not stub
[03:39] <stub> I haven't played with files more than 20  or 30 kb in a tree, so you might want to run some tests.
[03:40] <Mase> thanks. For the immediate future binary and large files aren't an issue
[03:40] <Mase> but i was more asking out of curiousity
[03:40] <Mase> curiosity*
[03:40] <ddaa> out of experience, I can tell you that bzr is really nice (and it's not only because I work here)
[03:41] <ddaa> there are some intrinsic differences compared to svn, but it's designed to support workflows very close to svn usage
[03:41] <ddaa> and the UI should be no problem to learn for a svn user
[03:42] <Mase> any good books/ docs. I really quite like the idea of launchpad. Esp since one of the projects will be based on ubuntu
[03:42] <Mase> well at this stage it looks likely
[03:42] <ddaa> unless to you have very high requirements for performance or GUI support, bzr is best all around solution
[03:43] <ddaa> Mase: sabdfl wrote a Launchpad guide that's not bad, not sure where it is though...
[03:43] <ddaa> mrevell: do you know?
[03:43] <mrevell> ddaa: Yep, just a sec
[03:43] <Mase> well ...i like the idea that i have a gui. I have a nice integrated environment with kdevelop/kdesvn....however i've only used it once ,then went back to CLI :)
[03:43] <mrevell> Mase: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/
[03:44] <ddaa> Mase: honestly, svn beats the shit ouf the competition on GUI support and environment integration.
[03:44] <Mase> mrevell: cheers.  Noticed your running in your local election. I wish you luck :)
[03:44] <mrevell> Mase: Oh, thanks :)
[03:45] <Mase> ddaa: yeh like i said, i only actually used it once. CLI was more efficient . So not having a gui means little :)
[03:46] <ddaa> Mase: for reference, the primary design goal of bzr is "be a joy to use"
[03:46] <Fujitsu> ddaa: And it does that very well :)
[03:46] <Mase> ddaa: really. Sounds promising. 
[03:47] <ddaa> compared to svn which was more something like "be mostly like cvs, unless less broken"
[03:47] <Mase> i quite like svn...only that yeh launchpad doesn't use it, so using launchpad would be my incentive to change.
[03:48] <ddaa> svn does have some good things for it
[03:48] <ddaa> but centralized version control is so 20th century :)
[03:48] <Mase> i like the idea of offline commits. 
[03:48] <Mase> with bzr
[03:48] <Mase> but i guess merging is somewhat scary with svn
[03:48] <ddaa> DVCS generally has a lot of advantages, offline commit is just the most obvious one
[03:50] <Mase> how do you deal with tagging in bzr ?
[03:50] <ddaa> there's some basic tagging support introduced in the very last released
[03:50] <ddaa> tags are not versioned, and associated to branches... frankly I have never used it or felt the need for it, so I may not be the best person to explain.
[03:51] <Mase> ok. cool. what about "hooks"
[03:51] <ddaa> but you can also use svn's approach to tagging, and use branches...
[03:51] <Mase> oh yeh
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Isn't a tag just a name assigned to a revision?
[03:52] <Mase> nah its pretty much a branch
[03:52] <Mase> just called something else :)
[03:52] <ddaa> hooks: bzr is very extensible, but the nature of distributed version control and the support for dumb servers make it hard to support hooks use cases for svn-like workflows.
[03:52] <Fujitsu> I meant in bzr.
[03:53] <ddaa> Fujitsu: yes, there's an actual "tag feature" now, but as I said I'm not familiar with it.
[03:53] <ddaa> I find that branches are enough for my needs.
[03:53] <Mase> ddaa: yeh i see your point. Basically , since some of the project is in xml, what I would like to do is make it so people can't "commit" broken xml. (i.e that doesn't conform to dtd/ relaxNg) etc..
[03:53] <ddaa> Mase: about hooks, you'd need to be more specific about the use case to get a more useful answer.
[03:53] <Mase> ^ see above :)
[03:54] <Mase> if i actually get around to that, who knows...maybe when it's released someone will :)
[03:54] <ddaa> Mase: there are various ways to do it. You can write a plugin that does the check on pre-commit on users
[03:54] <Mase> ddaa: osm
[03:54] <Mase> oops
[03:55] <Mase> yeh that is basically all the hook does at the moment
[03:55] <Mase> just doesn't actually "validate"
[03:55] <ddaa> Mase: but if you want to ensure consistency on the mainline, and allow multiple people to commit to it, you need to use a robot to act as a gatekeeper.
[03:55] <ddaa> That's a consequence of the dumb-server protocol
[03:55] <Mase> ddaa: prolly need to play with it a bit now i guess. 
[03:56] <Mase> as i didn't really understand the significance of the mainline :)
[03:56] <ddaa> there's an smart server is active development that will make it possible to do this sort of checks more transparently on remote commit.
[03:56] <Mase> sounds pretty promising. I'll give it ago on the weekend i think.
[03:56] <ddaa> Mase: well... mainline is what you would call "the branch" in svn.
[03:57] <ddaa> Where a bzr branch is closer in purpose to a svn checkout.
[03:57] <Mase> oh i see
[03:57] <ddaa> The advantage of DVCS come largely from the fact that people work on real branches at home instead of just on a checkout.
[03:58] <ddaa> Though bzr _does_ support the svn approach.
[03:58] <statik> me
[03:59] <popey> erk
[03:59] <popey> connection timeout on launchpad
[03:59] <Mase> ddaa: ok..so say i "checkout" a tree from the mainline for my home workstation..and do my local commits....but i have a laptop..which i also want to take with me, can i then "check out" my home version ? 
[04:00] <Mase> hack away..and commit back to my home version
[04:00] <Mase> then merge that back in with the mainline later ?
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's...
[04:00] <SteveA> Launchpad Development Meeting
[04:00] <ddaa> Mase: pretty much, but 1. better ask on #bzr 2. there's a meeting now and here
[04:00] <SteveA> for the next 45 minutes, we'll be coordinating and reporting status on Launchpad development
[04:00] <SteveA> who's here today?
[04:00] <Rinchen> me from sunny and warm London
[04:00] <bigjools> here
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <mpt> me
[04:00] <allenap> me
[04:00] <Mase> ddaa: ok cool. I'll go. THanks for your help
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <cprov> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <mthaddon> me
[04:00] <ddaa> here
 not here ;)
 not here
[04:01] <jtv> me
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:01] <BjornT> me
[04:01] <danilos> me
[04:01] <kiko> me
[04:01] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <ddaa> thumper is in London and did not send me any stuff for this meeting.
[04:01] <salgado> me
[04:01] <carlos> me
[04:01] <jamesh> me
[04:01] <flacoste> me
[04:01] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:02] <SteveA> ----
[04:02] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:02] <SteveA> ----
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Three sentences 
[04:02] <SteveA> 
[04:02] <SteveA> Next meeting: same time next week
[04:02] <SteveA> anyone plan to be absent around then?
[04:03] <carlos> I will be on public holiday
[04:03] <SteveA> thanks carlos
[04:03] <carlos> and I will not have network connection
[04:03] <kiko> I'll be here
[04:03] <SteveA> that's fine
[04:03] <ddaa> will be on a sprint with thumper
[04:03] <SteveA> thanks joey
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <SteveA> no actions
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[04:04] <mpt> (Please say either "up to date" or "not up to date")
[04:04] <SteveA> I'm on a sprint, but I kinda suck with them anyway
[04:04] <mrevell> up to date
[04:04] <mthaddon> up to date
[04:04] <allenap> up to date
[04:04] <matsubara> up to date
[04:04] <carlos> up to date
[04:04] <statik> on a sprint
[04:04] <mpt> up to date
[04:04] <jtv> up to date
[04:04] <barry> up to date
[04:04] <BjornT> up to date
[04:04] <sinzui> up to date
[04:04] <bac> on sprint
[04:04] <kiko> I am a disaster
[04:04] <jamesh> not up to date
[04:04] <cprov> not up to date (started again yesterday)
[04:04] <flacoste> up to date
[04:04] <danilos> sent this weeks and last weeks today, still missing some before that
[04:04] <salgado> not up to date (though I'll be in a minute when I send yesterday's)
 up to date
[04:04] <ddaa> jml was slack
[04:04] <ddaa> up to date
 not up to date
[04:04] <bigjools> up to date
[04:05] <SteveA> == People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==
[04:05] <SteveA> Not up to date:
[04:05] <SteveA>  * jml (via ddaa)
[04:05] <SteveA>  * kiko: "I totally slacked this week, gross"
[04:05] <SteveA>  * matsubara
[04:05] <SteveA>  * statik
[04:05] <SteveA>  * SteveA
[04:05] <SteveA> No answer:
[04:05] <SteveA>  * bigjools
[04:05] <SteveA>  * mrevell
[04:05] <SteveA>  * Rinchen
[04:05] <SteveA> Alternatively phrased up-to-date answer:
[04:05] <bigjools> I answered!
[04:05] <SteveA>  * barry
[04:05] <SteveA> 
[04:05] <SteveA> not sure what the last thing means ;-)
[04:05] <mrevell> I answered too, I was up to date
[04:05] <kiko> so I'm not going to pledge to do reports this week because I am really freaking out at my workload, but I am working on sorting that out.
[04:06] <stub> me, up to date
[04:06] <barry> SteveA: it means i was up to date but didn't say "up to date"
[04:06] <SteveA> mpt: any comments on the recording of activity stuff?
[04:06] <dungodung> is LP down?
[04:07] <mpt> SteveA, I have no idea what "alternatively-phrased" means, I didn't put that there
[04:07] <mpt> Other than that, no comments
[04:07] <mpt> (oh, well now I know what it means)
[04:07] <SteveA> mpt: well, bigjools and mrevell both said they answered last week
[04:07] <mpt> ok
[04:07] <SteveA> yet they appear as "no answer" in that section of the MeetingAgenda page
[04:07] <barry> mpt: i probably said something stupid like "i am presently current with my status emails", or maybe i just set "me"
[04:07] <popey> dungodung: no, there is a meeting on here at the moment
[04:07] <mpt> well there were a couple of extra "me"s
[04:07] <barry> s/set/said/
[04:08] <mpt> When you say "me" I don't know whether you're up to date, not up to date, or just really slow for the roll call.
[04:08] <mrevell> dungodung: I can access it. Let's PM
[04:08] <ddaa> me
[04:08] <dungodung> popey: I mean, launchpad.net won't open for me.. sorry if I'm interrupting
[04:08] <barry> mpt: i know that now :)
[04:09] <carlos> dungodung: it works for me but it's being slow
[04:09] <SteveA> ok, so everyone should be clear when answering next week
[04:09] <danilos> dungodung: we'll get to it (probably even during the meeting)
[04:09] <dungodung> :)
[04:09] <barry> SteveA: this week too!
[04:09] <SteveA> clearly mrevell and bigjools answered meaning "up to date"
[04:10] <SteveA> last week, but actually said something like "me"
[04:10] <mrevell> I'll use "up to date" in future.
[04:14] <mpt> I will update the notes accordingly.
[04:14] <SteveA> thanks mpt
[04:14] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:14] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 103364
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 103364 in malone "Global filebug form crashes if you first choose a distribution and later a project." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103364
[04:14] <matsubara> BjornT: is that a good one for Gavin?
[04:14] <bigjools> I'll say up to date also (sorry I have massive lag on IRC right now)
[04:14] <BjornT> matsubara: could be. i'll have a quick look at it first.
[04:14] <matsubara> BjornT: please assign it to him if you think it's ok.
[04:14] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done here.
[04:14] <SteveA> thanks matsubara 
[04:14] <SteveA>  * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of OOPSes. kiko, where are you with this?
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started - Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. Carlos had to delay working on this to accomplish the 1.0 roll-out. danilo and carlos, how is this progressing?
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #52707, 2006-07-11, cprov, Soyuz, Critical, in progress - cprov, status?
[04:14] <kiko> Rinchen, I have made zero progress over it last week
[04:14] <carlos> Rinchen: I resumed my work this week
[04:14] <Rinchen> kiko, carlos - thanks
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 52707 in soyuz "please propagate -security uploads to -updates" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52707 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[04:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 2006 in launchpad "Deactivated memberships should be hidden" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:14] <carlos> Rinchen: need to test exports and fix a small bug with import, finish a migration to the new 2.0 xpi format and it should be done
[04:14] <cprov> Rinchen: NativeSourceSync (NSS),  working on it
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #86171 (Private) - spiv - 2007-02-18 - Critical, in progress    - ddaa, do you have any data on this one?
[04:14] <nixternal> all I want to be able to do is download my last translation file before the end of life as we know it
 bug 86171 recurred, because a rollout undid the workaround applied to production.
 stub has now committed the workaround to rocketfuel to prevent that happening again.
 I've downgraded the bug to High; the workaround is perfectly reliable, 
 and I've been too busy with bzr work to get time for this bug.
[04:14] <Rinchen> cprov, thanks...  carlos, thanks
[04:14] <Rinchen> ddaa, thanks
[04:15] <Rinchen> Bug #90384 (Private) - jamesh - 2007-03-07 - Critical, not started - jamesh, I know you have a lot on your plate currently. When do you estimate you can fit this in?
[04:15] <Rinchen> Bug #92484 - jml - 2007-03-15 - BZR Integration, Critical, in review and progressing well. PQM hackery needed. ddaa, any updates from jml?
[04:15] <ubotu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[04:15] <ubotu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
 mthaddon says he'll land the branches tomorrow (or maybe it's
[04:15] <ddaa> today -- timezones are confusing).
[04:15] <cprov> Rinchen: I'd say good progress. I wonder if we can request FiF review for it. Any reviewer available for it ? 
[04:15] <Rinchen> Bug #102382 & Bug #102449, first reported on 2007-04-03, carlos, Rosetta, Critical, not started. Fix still in needs-review. carlos, I believe this is simply waiting on a review to be scheduled, correct?
[04:15] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:15] <carlos> Rinchen: salgado is doing that review for me
[04:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)
[04:16] <ddaa> Rinchen: so it's on mthaddon, because it needs simultaneous commit on launchpad, bzr and cscvs.
[04:16] <Rinchen> cprov,  I don't see any issues with that if you can find one.
[04:16] <mthaddon> ddaa for jml: will be trying that today (my time)
[04:16] <Rinchen> Carlos, thanks.
[04:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 102382 in rosetta "Translations are getting marked as "needing review" on each upload, preventing complete translation of Ubuntu for the release" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102382 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:16] <Rinchen> Bug #44 - danilo - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. danilo, where is this in your work queue?
[04:16] <jamesh> Rinchen: still haven't gotten round to that one.
[04:16] <Rinchen> Bug #112 - Unassigned - 2005-01-31 - Rosetta, High, confirmed - Promoted to high priority last September. Needs to be assigned. jtv, can you look into scheduling this
[04:17] <danilos> Rinchen: it's in progress, nothing sensible out yet, mostly some DB architecting
[04:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 112 in rosetta "Search for packages per language" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112
[04:17] <cprov> kiko: maybe you want to review that one ? at least the basic directions ?
[04:17] <Rinchen> jamesh, do you have an estimated start date?  or rough estimate?
[04:17] <jtv> Rinchen: okay, I could use some more bugs
[04:17] <danilos> Rinchen: before I start on actual code, I'll ask for stub's review, but not yet there
[04:17] <Rinchen> danilos, ok, thanks
[04:17] <Rinchen> jtv, ok, get with me offline if you need some suggestions :-) 
[04:17] <stub> iirc jamesh has been told to give top priority to ORM updates
[04:18] <kiko> cprov, the source syncing one?
[04:18] <jamesh> Rinchen: not really.  I am not sure it belongs on the critical list too.
[04:18] <cprov> kiko: yes, my `package-sync` branch
[04:18] <Rinchen> jamesh, ok. Can you take a few and make that determination....reduce severity if necessary? Thanks...
[04:18] <Rinchen> SteveA, done, thanks.
[04:18] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen 
[04:19] <kiko> cprov, I will look at it as soon as you've landed nascentupload-cataclysm
[04:19] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:19] <SteveA> no new proposed bug tags
[04:19] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:19] <_Neil> Hey guys, is it just me or are there issues with launchpad? :) Just thought I'd check
[04:19] <cprov> kiko: uhm, ok. I'm waiting flacoste review comments. (/action hides)
[04:20] <stub> Production is apparently running slowly for people, but I can't see any load increases on stuff I have access to - load everwhere seems pretty much normal. Maybe Tom can try increasing the workere threads per instance to see if it helps.
[04:20] <stub> beta branch is active as per email to the mailing list.
[04:20] <stub> staging has been handed over to Tom. Staging database has been moved back to asuka.
[04:20] <stub> carbon, jubany's hot spare, is being appropriated by elmo for two weeks starting feisty release. This should not affect language packs, as these need to be generated *before* feisty release. I don't know if it will affect beta.
[04:20] <stub> SteveA: please say 'stub' so I beep
[04:20] <mpt> _Neil, it's not just you, Top Men are investigating
[04:20] <kiko> stub, it's /really/ slow and we need to find out why.
[04:20] <kiko> everybody has noticed
[04:20] <SteveA> stub: it's an apache issue
[04:20] <SteveA> kiko: I think it's an apache issue
[04:20] <kiko> yeah, I agree with SteveA 
[04:20] <kiko> either apache or pound (I'm not familiar with how that is set up)
[04:21] <_Neil> mpt: ty
[04:21] <jtv> SteveA: Apache hitting process limit?
[04:21] <SteveA> I'm goingn to talk with elmo now
[04:21] <SteveA> joey will continue running the meeting
[04:21] <kiko> thanks SteveA 
[04:21] <jamesh> stub: could the slowness be related to bandwidth saturation?
[04:21] <danilos> thanks SteveA
[04:21] <danilos> Rinchen? ;)
[04:21] <mthaddon> localhost lookups to the app servers seem fine, so it should be either apache or pound
[04:21] <salgado> jamesh, probably not since it's slow even from inside the DC
[04:21] <Rinchen> any more on production before we move on?
[04:22] <Rinchen> 3
[04:22] <stub> jamesh: I have no idea. I only have a limited view on the situation.
[04:22] <Rinchen> 2
[04:22] <ddaa> SteveA.fork().exec(Rinchen)
[04:22] <Rinchen> 1
[04:22] <Rinchen> Sysadmin requests
[04:23] <Rinchen> anything anyone has that's urgent?
[04:23] <Rinchen> 5
[04:23] <Rinchen> 4
[04:23] <mrevell> the blog has been sorted -- woogoo :)
[04:23] <Rinchen> 3
[04:23] <Rinchen> 2
[04:23] <mrevell> er, woohoo, I should say
[04:23] <barry> Rinchen: dunno, but my totally unscientific test just now shows lp to be pretty zippy
[04:23] <kiko> does anyone have account or access RTs that need sorting out?
[04:23] <stub> The appservers are responding quickly when I query them directly anyway, so I'll punt to apache too
[04:23] <kiko> I think all my requests are closed
[04:23] <Rinchen> kiko, I have a big list of RT requests that I'm tracking. All of the high priority queue has been closed.
[04:23] <mrevell> mpt :)
[04:23] <Rinchen> however many non-priority items remain open
[04:23] <kiko> fwiw the librarian is really slow to answer as well
[04:23] <Rinchen> A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:24] <Rinchen> mrevell ?
[04:24] <mrevell> This week I've had reports of slowness in the drop-down menus.
[04:24] <mrevell> Following a conversation with Steve, I'm able to ask better questions of people experiencing that problem
[04:24] <kiko> mrevell, in my 1.0 report which I am preparing I'm listing that as a sort of blocker
[04:24] <mrevell> but no one has reported it since.
[04:25] <stub> Oops... before I said 'I don't know if elmo appropriating carbon will affect beta'. I ment to mention demo, as I'm unsure if it is needed during that time frame.
[04:25] <mrevell> kiko: Ah, right. What particular issue?
[04:25] <mrevell> kiko: The slowness to populate the menu?
[04:25] <mrevell> kiko: Or the pause that's built-in?
[04:25] <kiko> mrevell, I think more the latter than the former
[04:25] <mrevell> kiko: Right. The reports I had seemed to come from the built-in delay, rather than lag on populating menus.
[04:26] <kiko> right
[04:26] <mrevell> kiko: So, that's something that we're going to look at? Cool.
[04:26] <mrevell> Rinchen: Nothing further to say on that./
[04:26] <kiko> we have to!
[04:26] <Rinchen> Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:26] <mrevell> Buzz report should be winging its way to the ML as we speak.
[04:27] <Rinchen> excellent mrevell 
[04:27] <Rinchen> anything further on the report?
[04:27] <mrevell> Rinchen: Not in the meeting, no.
[04:27] <Rinchen> ok, thanks mrevell for both of those topics.
[04:27] <Rinchen> Three sentences
[04:27] <stub> DONE: 3rd party auth
[04:27] <stub> TODO: Review and land auth stuff
[04:27] <stub> BLOCKED: No 
[04:27] <carlos> DONE: bug #102449, #70074, #91089 and Handled import queue, landed LanguageAdministration done some firefox native support work.
[04:27] <carlos> TODO: Firefox support
[04:27] <carlos> BLOCKED: No
[04:27] <mrevell> DONE: Launchpad tour and public beta follow-up, visit to commercialistion sprint in London.
[04:27] <mrevell> TODO: More tour work, grassroots blogging encouragement for public beta, plan for adopt-an-upstream, plan with Rinchen and SteveA re promotion for forthcoming features etc, plan with Rinchen for release notes.
[04:27] <mrevell> BLOCKED: no
[04:27] <bac> DONE: Commercialization sprint
[04:27] <bac> TODO: Post-sprint commercialization use-cases, design, etc
[04:27] <bac> BLOCKED: No
[04:27] <salgado> DONE: Shipit, lots of debugging, code review and random fixes
[04:27] <salgado> TODO: More shipit, code review and small fixes
[04:27] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
 DONE: Bazaar bug/branch stuff. Bugfixes for SFTP server.
 TODO: Launchpad bug/branch stuff.
 BLOCKED: no
[04:27] <allenap> DONE: bug-81014 (with help from BjornT and cprov, not complete), lots more learning
[04:27] <allenap> TODO: finish bug-81014, more bugs as assigned by BjornT
[04:27] <allenap> BLOCKED: no
[04:27] <sinzui> DONE: Nothing, but I swear it was a lot of work
[04:27] <sinzui> TODO: 75485 Show supported languages, 75487 unsupported questions report, 90767 'All Languages' should be a radiobutton, 34050 retarget a question
[04:27] <sinzui> BLOCKED: No.
[04:27] <mthaddon> DONE: Staging Setup DB on Asuka
[04:27] <Rinchen> DONE: Lots of London Sprinting
[04:27] <Rinchen> TODO: Lots of Launchpad Roadmapping
[04:27] <Rinchen> BLOCKED: statik - 32 Goals (statik is aware)
 DONE: begun landing bzr smart server work
 TODO: finish landing bzr smart server
 BLOCKED: no
[04:27] <cprov> DONE: remove warty simulation in dogfood, fix #102545, NativeSourceSync, finished nascentupload-cataclysm tests (~ 70 % coverage) and code fixes.
[04:27] <mthaddon> TODO: bzr merge
[04:27] <cprov> TODO: release NSS stage 1, open feisty+1, major UI issues
[04:27] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[04:27] <barry> DONE: blueprint mailing list project; phase one & two spec update; create
[04:27] <barry> phase one branch; build script nearly done
[04:27] <barry> TODO: path.py.in hacks, documentation on phase one; phase two design review
[04:27] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <BjornT> DONE: code reviews. fixed a few bugs.
[04:28] <BjornT> TODO: implement closing bugs via changelogs.
[04:28] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <matsubara> DONE: triage, oops reports, support gardening
[04:28] <mthaddon> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <matsubara> TODO: fix some of my assigned bugs, more of the same
[04:28] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <flacoste> DONE: microsite update, reviews, test style guide, merge pending branches
[04:28] <flacoste> TODO: finish test style guide, write specs
[04:28] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <ddaa> DONE: importd-oops [nr] , partial fix for bug 92133 [nr] , started braindumping importd-ng.
[04:28] <ddaa> TODO: more importd-ng braindumping, PrivateBranchesPhasedImplementation review, sprint with thumper
[04:28] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no ADSL at home, commuting to my parents.
[04:28] <jtv> TODO: Catch up with ongoing Rosetta work
[04:28] <jtv> DONE: Started landing bug fixes!
[04:28] <jtv> BLOCKED: No, but review process does hold up some work
[04:28] <bigjools> DONE: Landed 102055, working on Native Source sync
[04:28] <statik> DONE: london sprint
[04:28] <statik> TODO: london sprint and wrap up
[04:28] <statik> Blocked: no
[04:28] <bigjools> TODO: Native Source Sync, stage 1 polishing and landing
[04:28] <bigjools> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <mpt> DONE: Easter, bug filing, help panel
[04:28] <mpt> TODO: bug page, 1.0 specs, 1.0 cleanup
[04:28] <mpt> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <danilos> DONE: ooo migration script optimisations, testing, profiling, translation search
[04:28] <danilos> TODO: translation search, lots of bugfixing, licensing, helptexts
[04:28] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <dungodung> ouch
[04:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:28] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's meeting. Meeting adjourned! 
[04:28] <ddaa> BAG: three sentences, now that we do weekly status to Rinchen.
[04:28] <kiko> DONE: coordination, looking at 1.0 and not a lot else :-(
[04:28] <kiko> TODO: sort out my backlog
[04:28] <kiko> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <jamesh> DONE: code review, bug-import updates, beta -> production link stuff
[04:28] <jamesh> TODO: code review, get script-monitoring in, beta -> production link stuff
[04:28] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[04:28] <ddaa> Rinchen: too early
[04:29] <Rinchen> ddaa, on my list for next week with SteveA ..... 
[04:29] <barry> ddaa: word up
[04:29] <ddaa> word? up?
[04:29] <ddaa> excel down?
[04:29] <statik> its a union thing
[04:29] <ddaa> powerpoint left?
[04:29] <mpt> Like the 1960s equivalent to "+1"?
[04:29] <barry> ddaa: um: i agree with your recently voiced opinion
[04:30] <Rinchen> ddaa, barry there is some value though in the "blocked" item.
[04:30] <barry> mpt: more like early 90's version
[04:30] <barry> Rinchen: right, so maybe just knock out 2/3 of the 3 sentences
[04:30] <ddaa> Rinchen: yep, and it's the one that takes the least effort to produce
[04:30] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:30] <SteveA> thanks joey
[04:31] <carlos> thanks
[04:31] <Rinchen> welcome sir
[04:31] <carlos> nixternal: hi, now that we finished the meeting, what could we do for you?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> carlos: he's gone
[04:32] <carlos> :-(
[04:32] <Hobbsee> just trying to figure what he wanted
[04:32] <Hobbsee> [00:17]  <nixternal> I have 1 more translation download and it keeps choking
[04:33] <kiko> hey jordi 
[04:33] <Hobbsee> carlos: that's all that he mentioned
[04:33] <Hobbsee> didnt mention which one, or anything
[04:33] <carlos> Hobbsee: yeah, I saw it
[04:33] <Rinchen> barry, ddaa - agreed
[04:33] <carlos> but I need more info
[04:33] <carlos> Hobbsee: thanks anyway...
[04:34] <jordi> kiko: you told me you had found a few bike shops in Sevilla?
[04:34] <ddaa> Rinchen: there's some echo in your line, maybe you need a terminator?
[04:34] <kiko> jordi, I already bought the bike dude
[04:34] <jordi> or was I supposed to find which were the good ones?
[04:34] <jordi> oh
[04:34] <jordi> heh
[04:34] <jordi> where?
[04:36] <Rinchen> nixternal, I just saw your comment. :-) 
[04:43] <seb128> grrrr, launchpad is slow enough to timeout now
[04:46] <fabbione> SteveA, kiko: ping?
[04:47] <salgado> seb128, the problem has already been identified and is being fixed
[04:48] <SteveA> fabbione: hi
[04:48] <fabbione> SteveA: got time for a quick skype call?
[04:48] <fabbione> salgado: ETA?
[04:48] <SteveA> fabbione: can't do skype, but I can phone you from the london office
[04:48] <fabbione> SteveA: that works too... +45 25 13 64 77
[04:49] <salgado> fabbione, I guess only SteveA and elmo would be able to answer that
[04:50] <seb128> salgado: k
[04:51] <elmo> err, let's not get over excited here
[04:52] <elmo> we're not going to fix the problem, we're going to alleviate one very obvious hot spot
[04:52] <elmo> that should help, but it's not a magic switch to turn the speed back on
[04:52] <jamesh> maybe we should ask people to use launchpad less
[04:52] <stub> elmo: Can you please press the 'more speed' button on production a few times?
[04:53] <_Neil> I think you should paint a racing stripe on the sever
[04:53] <_Neil> instant +20% speed
[04:54] <SteveA> stub: can't find the speed in the office here
[04:54] <SteveA> stub: but there's a stack of unopened coke in the corner here
[04:54] <stub> I told them they should get red servers and not those boring black and beige things. But did they listen to me? Nooooo....
[04:55] <Znarl> ...grey/black not beige.
[04:56] <fabbione> stub: the ones with yellow thingy with a black horse painted inside?
[04:57] <stub> fabbione: Sounds good! Expensive licenced logos help too!
[04:57] <fabbione> eheh
[05:35] <cc_> hi
[05:36] <cc_> anyone can help me?
[05:38] <cc_> i was using ubuntu 7.04 beta and found it was good to use
[05:39] <cc_> my pc experienced an updates yesterday to ubuntu 7.04  (actually i'm not sure)
[05:39] <cc_> i found that the internet connection to launchpad is terribly poor
[05:40] <_Neil> cc_ There are issues atm
[05:40] <_Neil> its not just you
[05:40] <cc_> i cannot work on my translation
[05:40] <_Neil> I think its being fixed :)
[05:40] <cc_> thanks
[05:41] <cc_> other connection to other website is good
[05:41] <salgado> cc_, it's a problem with launchpad, and we're working on it
[05:41] <cc_> now i cannot connect to launchpad
[05:42] <cc_> thanks a lot, salgado
[05:42] <cc_> hopefully i can start my translation work soon
[05:42] <cc_> thanks again
[05:44] <kiko> fabbione, what's up my man
[05:44] <fabbione> kiko: consigliere.. it's all good.. i already spoke with Steve
[05:45] <fabbione> kiko: thanks consigliere
[05:45] <kiko> fabbione, is it good or bad news
[05:46] <fabbione> kiko: it was about the LP speed problem but it seems that everything is under control
[05:51] <kiko> cool
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> is it just me or is launchpad acting up?
[06:28] <kiko> LeeJunFan, more specific.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> kiko: sry - I figured if it was that would be enough - probably just me then. Incomplete loads apparently. I'm not getting timeouts, but the format/layout is all messed up, etc.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> and it takes a long time to load.
[06:29] <kiko> LeeJunFan, and you're seeing this as of now?
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> however traceroute doesn't show any network problems.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> kiko: yeah.
[06:30] <kiko> SteveA, mthaddon, elmo: is the apache/pound issue known to be worked around, or is it a known problem we should note in our /topic?
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> I just had a timeout now.
[06:30] <cynthia> me too
[06:30] <kiko> a launchpad timeout, with oops, or not?
[06:30] <cynthia> launchpad timeout
[06:30] <cynthia> cannot connect it
[06:30] <kiko> with an oops code?
[06:31] <cynthia> i am not sure
[06:31] <cynthia> i am very newbie to ubuntu
[06:31] <cynthia> i can go to the first page of launchpad
[06:32] <cynthia> when i select options, it is timeout and show nothing
[06:32] <SteveA> kiko: not worked around yet
[06:32] <LarstiQ> saves me two redirects at least
[06:32] <SteveA> kiko: in progress
[06:32] <SteveA> kiko: note it in the topic if you think it'll help
[06:33] <SteveA> kiko: we don't know how much it will help, but it'll help us investigate
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> I got a complete load just now.
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #105904 in malone "Misleading error message when user tries to edit a bug and is not logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105904
[06:59] <Tokyrn> fiou lauchpad loading
[06:59] <kiko> see topic
[07:00] <Tokyrn> ok thx
[07:00] <Tokyrn> there are french here ?
[07:01] <kiko> ddaa is french
[07:01] <ddaa> sorry, I was born that way
[07:02] <Tokyrn> i'm french and i have few question 
[07:02] <ddaa> How uncharacteristic ;) Please go on.
[07:04] <Tokyrn> ddaa speak french ?
[07:04] <ddaa> I do.
[07:05] <Tokyrn> ok sa veut dire quoi Translate newly by rosseta
[07:05] <Tokyrn> en plus ds que c'est traduit on peut pas voir que c'est untranslate
[07:06] <ddaa> je suppose que cela veut dire qu'une traduction a t faite dans Rosetta, par opposition  une traduction import depuis les .po du source.
[07:07] <Tokyrn> ok c'ets un conflit non ?
[07:07] <ddaa> hu?
[07:07] <ddaa> conflit comment a?
[07:07] <Tokyrn> ya deux fichiers
[07:07] <Tokyrn> Rosetta c'est une personne ou un logiciel
[07:07] <Tokyrn> c'est un peu embrouill dans ma tete
[07:07] <ddaa> C'est le nom de code de translations.launchpad.net
[07:08] <ddaa> c'est l'application de traduction de launchpad
[07:08] <Tokyrn> a d'accord
[07:08] <Tokyrn> comme Kbabel ?
[07:11] <ddaa> d'une certain faon, oui
[07:11] <Tokyrn> d'accord
[07:11] <Tokyrn> mais pourquoi sa apparait comme a et non pas en translate ?
[07:11] <ddaa> sauf que kbabel c'est un logiciel de bureau, et que Rosetta c'est une application web
[07:12] <LarstiQ> is that que as in 'whereas'?
[07:12] <ddaa> L  ca devient trop pointu pour moi, je ne connais pas Rosetta... je suppose que si tu demande sur #ubuntu-fr tu trouveras des gens qui parlent Franais et qui utilisent Rosetta.
[07:12] <Tokyrn> car je fais des proposition de traduction et quand je filtre en untranslate des fichiers me sorte rien alors qui manque des choses non traduit
[07:16] <ddaa> ... voir le message prcdent...
[07:17] <Tokyrn> daccord merci bien :)
[07:23] <ddaa> LarstiQ: "sauf que" == "except that"
[07:24] <ddaa> right, that == whereas
[07:24] <ddaa> but trying to translate sentence constructs literally does not usually give good results :)
[07:25] <ddaa> at least when translating TO french...
[07:25] <ddaa> english speaking people are used to their language being jumbled out of recognition anyway
[07:26] <ddaa> Neither are most yanks
[07:26] <LarstiQ> heh
[07:26] <LarstiQ> and you don't have to fear I'll start speaking French, I'm just making sure I can parse it well enough
[07:27] <Nafallo> I should learn french again :-)
[07:28] <Nafallo> been at it a few times now :-P
[07:30] <ddaa> ha right, doing the performance appraisal thing :)
[08:23] <ddaa> matsubara: I think I found what's causing the branch-scanner overruns...
[08:24] <matsubara> ddaa: cool. what's it?
[08:24] <ddaa> the new branch email stuff generates a diff for ever new history revision found in a branch
[08:24] <ddaa> regardless of whether it's going to be used
[08:24] <ddaa> I blame the reviewer for not blocking this.
[08:24] <ddaa> Well no.
[08:24] <ddaa> I don't blame the reviewer for letting this land, it was great time.
[08:25] <ddaa> I blame... hu... bzr for being too slow!
[08:27] <ddaa> dunno how much work it would be to fix that though...
[08:29] <matsubara> ddaa: I'll file a bug about it and you could add more info there.
[08:30] <ddaa> I guess we'll do some empirical measurements with thumper next week.
[08:30] <ddaa> Since he'll be at my place.
[08:30] <ddaa> I have just looked at the code, so I have no evidence, but 1. there is a new overrun problem 2. I strongly suspect it's the culprit.
[08:31] <matsubara> ddaa: the landing you are referring ^ is r4059?
[08:32] <ddaa> yes
[08:34] <kiko> ddaa, ryanakca asked me to rename a product yesterday (kcypher to kcipher)
[08:34] <ddaa> justdoit
[08:34] <kiko> I did it.
[08:35] <matsubara> thanks for checking ddaa
[08:35] <kiko> but the link to codebrowse fails
[08:35] <ddaa> cool
[08:35] <ddaa> ...
[08:35] <ddaa> it should not
[08:35] <kiko> because it refers the old branch name.
[08:35] <kiko> any clue why?
[08:35] <ddaa> I believe codebrowse uses the same supermirror rewritemap...
[08:36] <ddaa> maybe there's a rsync cronscript missing to copy it there?
[08:36] <ddaa> kiko: jamesh knows everything about codebrowse, I barely know enough to kill it and restart it.
[08:36] <kiko> hang on.
[08:37] <ddaa> I need to leave now, I'm called for dinner.
[08:37] <kiko> wake up launchpad..
[08:38] <ddaa> kiko: cya leave me a message and I'll reply after dinner.
[08:38] <kiko> ddaa, hmm, it seems to have fixed itself
[08:39] <kiko> maybe it just takes a while to resync
[08:39] <kiko> ryanakca, ping?
[09:26] <ddaa> kiko: resync should happen every minute
[09:27] <ddaa> when the supermirror-rewritemap cronscript runs
[09:27] <kiko> odd then
[09:29] <ddaa> stub is the one in charge of that cronscript
[09:29] <ddaa> maybe he increased the cronscript interval
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #105949 in launchpad-bazaar "branch scanner is running too slow for 1 minute cron interval." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105949
[09:35] <shirish> guys anybody knows how to work with the blueprints thing?
[09:36] <LarstiQ> shirish: yes
[09:36] <shirish> LarstiQ: thank god, finally somebody
[09:36] <shirish> ok I have filed one blueprint, can u take a look at it & tell me what I need to do in order to get somebodys attention
[09:37] <LarstiQ> shirish: I'm willing to take a look, but I might not be able to help when it comes to content
[09:38] <shirish> ok cool https://blueprints.launchpad.net/apport/+spec/shirish
[09:38] <shirish> lemme point out, I am no developer but this would be cool to have
[09:39] <LarstiQ> shirish: ok, for startes, that spec could be named better. Your title is 'apport having ftp, resumability & privacy handlers' while the name of the spec is 'shirish'
[09:40] <LarstiQ> Better to name it something like ftp-resumability-privacy then
[09:40] <shirish> ah that is a good name (term) but it has to do with apport
[09:41] <Kmos> LP continues very slowly.. :(
[09:41] <shirish> and yes it is ubuntu-related, is there a specific way it should be done so its known its ubuntu-related
[09:41] <Kmos> isn't apache problem?
[09:41] <LarstiQ> shirish: it also reads more of an enumeration of issues instead of a spec :/
[09:42] <LarstiQ> shirish: well, who do you expect to look at it?
[09:42] <shirish> LarstiQ: I am merely making a case for it
[09:42] <shirish> LarstiQ: people who are ubuntu-developers & esp. those people who are developing apport
[09:42] <LarstiQ> I'm looking at it now, but I'm a Bazaar developer and am not involved with apport/ubuntu 
[09:42] <LarstiQ> shirish: ok, do you know if launchpad.net/apport is actively used by those people?
[09:43] <shirish> LarstiQ: ok cool, any idea where or how to get hold of somebody who would be working on apport
[09:43] <LarstiQ> ah, it has an active branch associated with it, so I suppose it's the right place afterall
[09:44] <LarstiQ> shirish: I suggest you contact pitti
[09:44] <shirish> thanx
[09:45] <LarstiQ> shirish: https://launchpad.net/~pitti
[09:45] <shirish> LarstiQ: what a co-incidence just there
[09:46] <shirish> LarstiQ: will keep this in mind, pretty useful
[09:46] <LarstiQ> shirish: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bzr/+spec/smart-server for a comparison with one of our specs btw
[09:47] <shirish> LarstiQ: i do understand its a kind of overview, which shows the dependencies which need to be worked on before the thing can be a reality
[09:48] <shirish> LarstiQ: alas, I do not have that kind of overview (not know enough)
[09:48] <LarstiQ> shirish: the dependencies are only extra
[09:48] <shirish> LarstiQ: although I have seen similar implementation but different usage
[09:49] <LarstiQ> shirish: the overview of one coherent feature is important, the real meat is in the wiki
[09:49] <LarstiQ> shirish: which is http://bazaar-vcs.org/SmartServer in this case
[09:51] <shirish> ok will have to think about it little more, read all I can on apport, & see how I can word it differently perhaps 
[09:52] <shirish> First I needed to flesh it out, now I need to polish it more, lord
[09:56] <shirish> ok thanx for your help, would look at it more tomorrow, send a mail to martin & another gentleman & see if I can get something moving
[09:56] <shirish> you have been a great help
[09:57] <LarstiQ>  pleased to be of help
[09:58] <shirish> ok signing off for now bye :)
[10:28] <ryanakca> kiko-afk: pong