[12:28] <TheSilentW> can anyone recommend me easy to use a SVN and a FTP client, i am new to linux
[12:29] <TheSilentW> forgot the commas xD
[12:29] <TheSilentW> can anyone recommend me, easy to use, a SVN and a FTP client, i am new to linux
[12:29] <TheSilentW> makes more sence now
[12:29] <iXneonXi> ^^;;
[12:30] <choudesh> ok all, I am out.
[12:30] <choudesh> I am going to play some wow
[12:30] <TheSilentW> :)
[12:30] <TheSilentW> cya
[12:30] <iXneonXi> TheSilentW: defaults?
[12:30] <TheSilentW> no need
[12:30] <TheSilentW> if i can install them from console
[12:30] <TheSilentW> easy
[12:30] <TheSilentW> without problems
[12:31] <TheSilentW> ixneonxi, how any?
[12:31] <TheSilentW> ixneonxi, khow any?
[12:32] <TheSilentW> my spelling sux today
[12:32] <iXneonXi> I'd just say use what comes with the system
[12:32] <iXneonXi> for FTP in windows I use Filezilla, but in Linux gftp comes with it, so I just use that
[12:32] <TheSilentW> so, if you may, what is it?
[12:32] <TheSilentW> hmm where can i find it?
[12:33] <TheSilentW> in the internet menu theres no ftp client
[12:33] <johnnybuoy> billy, E: Couldn't find package compiz-tray-icon
[12:33] <iXneonXi> type gftp in synaptic
[12:33] <TheSilentW> ok
[12:33] <TheSilentW> and for SVN?
[12:33] <johnnybuoy> billy, gnome-compiz-manager?
[12:33] <billy> johnnybuoy: try just running the command "compiz-tray-icon".
[12:34] <iXneonXi> TheSilentW, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285359&highlight=tortoise%2520svn might help
[12:34] <johnnybuoy> billy, sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[12:34] <billy> johnnybuoy: try it out, tell me about it.
[12:35] <krups> last nvidia release fubared my nvidia configuration.  is complaining about kernel users version XXXX and nvidia is using YYYYYY.  anybody else having similar?
[12:38] <TheSilentW> ixneonxi, thx
[12:38] <johnnybuoy> billy, wow, it's great!
[12:38] <iXneonXi> what's great xD?
[12:39] <billy> johnnybuoy: yeah?  you're using it with "Desktop Effects", not a Compiz "install" right?
[12:40] <johnnybuoy> yes
[12:40] <johnnybuoy> I don't have any extra compiz repo enabled, if that's what you mean, billy
[12:40] <billy> johnnybuoy: hmm ... you got me curious.
[12:41] <johnnybuoy> ?
[12:41] <billy> johnnybuoy: oh goodness.  I think that's what I've been using all along.  silly me.
[12:41] <johnnybuoy> I like it, I mean, the config is easy enough, I like the corner with mousebutton thing AND the window focus is not as buggy
[12:42] <johnnybuoy> but, I miss only one thing from beryl
[12:42] <billy> johnnybuoy: yeah.  "not as buggy" is what got me to use the stock Desktop Effects.  I really would like some animation though.
[12:42] <phaidros> so, feisty will ship with kernel 2.6.20 or 21 ?
[12:42] <johnnybuoy> it's the rotating cube on scrollwheelondesktop
[12:42] <johnnybuoy> .20, I'd guess
[12:43] <phaidros> ok. hopefully all the neccesary patches will make it in
[12:43] <phaidros> there is alot with suspend/hibernation/sound/display issues :/
[12:43] <johnnybuoy> yes?
[12:43] <phaidros> hehe, all of them hit my poor thinkpad :/
[12:43] <johnnybuoy> heh
[12:43] <phaidros> blank screen after suspend
[12:44] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, ever tried the uswsusp package and powersaved?
[12:44] <billy> johnnybuoy: what's "annotate" and 'clone"?
[12:44] <phaidros> or no sound after hibernation :)
[12:44] <johnnybuoy> clone I dunno
[12:44] <johnnybuoy> but annotate let's you draw on yer desktop&windows&whatever
[12:44] <phaidros> I doubt its the gnome powermanager, looks more like acpi/kernel
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> but there are hacks for that...
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> maybe one works for your thinkpad
[12:45] <billy> johnnybuoy: what's the point of drawing and such?  to highlight for screenshots and such?
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> eg. posting the video or sumthin
[12:45] <phaidros> hm, I give it a shot. thanx johnnybuoy
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> billy, eg. a presentation
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> here you can see a....
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> and you circle it with red
[12:45] <johnnybuoy> billy,
[12:46] <billy> yeah
[12:48] <phaidros> which packages are actually involved for suspend/resume by default, only gnome-powermanager? that itself uses acpi? where do uswsusp or powersaved come in place?
[12:49] <phaidros> ah, apmd & powernowd
[12:50] <phaidros> iXneonXi: crossing fingers for ya ;)
[12:50] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, well, how does this work: acpid listens for events
[12:51] <johnnybuoy> and suspend works by doing " echo mem > /sys/power/state "
[12:51] <johnnybuoy> here the same thing happens, but
[12:51] <johnnybuoy> uswsusp has a whitelist of laptops working, with the specific hacks to make suspending work
[12:51] <johnnybuoy> so it first does the hack, then does echo mem > /sys/power/state
[12:52] <johnnybuoy> phaidros, ^
[12:52] <johnnybuoy> at resume also, it posts the video if it's needed
[12:52] <johnnybuoy> ot restores the vbe
[12:52] <johnnybuoy> or
[12:52] <cab10886> i need help with my ati card
[12:56] <johnnybuoy> okay, now everytime someone says my name in xchat, I get a very annoying _*BEEP*_ sound from my PC speaker
[12:56] <johnnybuoy> how can I turn this off?
[12:57] <johnnybuoy> and DON'T say my name!
[12:57] <xtknight> johnnybuoy, not sure :P
[12:57] <johnnybuoy> crap
[12:57] <johnnybuoy> don't do it! :D
[12:57] <xtknight> mute your pc speaker
[12:57] <johnnybuoy> how do I do that?
[12:57] <xtknight> alsamixer probably
[12:58] <xtknight> i dont even think i have a pc speaker anymore
[12:58] <johnnybuoy> nah, I can't
[12:58] <xtknight> xcht?
[12:58] <xtknight> xchat*
[12:58] <johnnybuoy> yes
[12:58] <johnnybuoy> I don't know how I have one either
[12:58] <johnnybuoy> this is a brand new laptop
[12:59] <johnnybuoy> my old laptop didn't have a PC speaker..
[12:59] <xtknight> xchat preferences sound, maybe something there
[12:59] <AMTXP> is RC for fiesty expected soon?
[12:59] <johnnybuoy> this is VERY frustrating, especially that people are sleeping around me and it's REALLY LOUD
[12:59] <xtknight> tomorrow
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> man this blows, feisty is due apr 19th in it's current state I'm going back to edgy or debian. 64 second hal startup and battery/ac problems on laptops, and can't burn DVD-R's. :(
[12:59] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, nope, not there
[01:00] <xtknight> hm i dunno use another irc client for the time being
[01:00] <AMTXP> hic
[01:00] <AMTXP> tommorow
[01:00] <AMTXP> what timezone tommorow
[01:00] <xtknight> nobody knows
[01:00] <AMTXP> oh
[01:00] <xtknight> tomorrow +/- 48 hrs
[01:00] <AMTXP> i heard it was coming out in the next few minutes
[01:00] <johnnybuoy> say my name say my name
[01:00] <xtknight> johnnybuoy,
[01:01] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, w00t
[01:01] <johnnybuoy> I just disabled esd..
[01:01] <xtknight> mute of pc speaker?
[01:01] <xtknight> oh
[01:01] <xtknight> why are there so many sound daemons anyway?
[01:01] <xtknight> esd is enlightenment
[01:01] <johnnybuoy> yeah
[01:01] <johnnybuoy> I dunno
[01:01] <johnnybuoy> isn't alsa+dmix enough
[01:02] <cab10886> guys, i've been trying to get my card working
[01:02] <cab10886> but i still can't
[01:03] <xtknight> your 'card'?
[01:03] <xtknight> valtentines card?  sound card?
[01:03] <cab10886> i'll found something odd in my Xorg.0.log
[01:03] <xtknight> :)
[01:03] <cab10886> Graphics card, ATI 9600xt
[01:04] <cab10886> it works fine for 2d, not for 3d...  suposedly the ati drivers work with 3d
[01:04] <xtknight> even the open source should be direct rendering, partially
[01:04] <xtknight> fglrx will enable full 3d and all opengl visuals
[01:04] <cab10886> yes, been trying to install that one
[01:05] <cab10886> (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:
[01:05] <cab10886> (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
[01:05] <cab10886> (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.28.8
[01:05] <cab10886> (II) fglrx(0):     Date: Aug 17 2006
[01:05] <cab10886> (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module
[01:06] <cab10886> oh i just saw the following line
[01:06] <cab10886> (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[01:07] <cab10886> (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.35.5
[01:07] <cab10886> (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: LGDr8.35g1
[01:07] <cab10886> (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Mar 27 2007 12:13:03
[01:07] <cab10886> (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Information: autobuild-rel-r6-8.35.1.1.2.3-driver-lnx-x86-x86_64-334085
[01:08] <cab10886> alas the module was created. (using the ubuntu instructions 'how to')
[01:08] <AMTXP> if i were to download the beta, would i be able to upgrade it with the update program
[01:08] <cab10886> but the driver seems to be from the previous install of it using the ati instructions
[01:09] <cab10886> I already tried to download the beta but it refused to....
[01:11] <AMTXP> if i were to download the fiesty beta, would i be able to upgrade to the fiesty RC / fiesty release without downloading the new version?
[01:12] <AMTXP> hello?
[01:12] <cab10886> if you were to up to the beta, you have to run a command and it installs everything automaticaly
[01:13] <MarcN> AMTXP: yes.
[01:13] <AMTXP> ok cool
[01:13] <cab10886> when the final comes out... it will update using the package manager
[01:13] <AMTXP> awesome
[01:13] <os2mac> anyone else having problems  with Knetworkmanager?
[01:13] <cab10886> no need to download the whole install CD
[01:13] <AMTXP> ok well i'll probably dl the final release so i can install it elsewhere
[01:13] <AMTXP> also, will the LiveCD screw up my mbr
[01:13] <AMTXP> because with 6.10, that is what it does
[01:13] <cab10886> no
[01:14] <cab10886> if you install it wrong, yes :P
[01:14] <MarcN> AMTXP: not if you don't choose to install.
[01:15] <AMTXP> well i know how to install it, but i'm cautious of it - i need to know if it supports the drivers for my IDE hd....if it doesn't - it will screw up my mbr, and i'd have to reformat and reinstall everything.
[01:17] <AMTXP> ite8211 (aka UT8211 or lspci) is the driver my motherboard uses
[01:17] <AMTXP> *(aka IT8211)
[01:18] <mon^rch> xopher: tahnk-you again for suggesting I remove network-manager!
[01:19] <AMTXP> hmmm
[01:19] <AMTXP> well
[01:19] <AMTXP> i'll try it
[01:19] <AMTXP> but i'll backup first
[01:20] <AMTXP> or
[01:20] <AMTXP> maybe not
[01:20] <AMTXP> if I had a SATA hd i would have this problem
[01:20] <AMTXP> arg
[01:21] <mon^rch> I can't wait to get my WD 500 gb hard drive  (slurp)
[01:21] <mon^rch> only 12 more days :D
[01:21] <AMTXP> nice
[01:21] <os2mac> Tonio_ ?
[01:21] <AMTXP> hmmm
[01:22] <AMTXP> well i'll dl and burn the cd
[01:22] <AMTXP> not sure if i'll use it through
[01:22] <AMTXP> if it doesn't detect my hd
[01:22] <AMTXP> will I be able to exit the install without it screwing up my mbr?
[01:23] <AMTXP> (using the regular installer - LiveCD)
[01:23] <AMTXP> i need to dual boot
[01:23] <AMTXP> can i do that with Ubuntu?
[01:23] <MarcN> AMTXP: of course you can dual boot.
[01:23] <AMTXP> hello
[01:23] <AMTXP> ok
[01:23] <mon^rch> AMTXP: yes.... it will install a new bootloader and give you the choice :)
[01:24] <AMTXP> sweet
[01:24] <mon^rch> ubuntu is VERY nice
[01:24] <AMTXP> how do I safely stop the install
[01:24] <vio> hiya :)
[01:24] <AMTXP> if it doesn't detect my hd
[01:24] <AMTXP> hello
[01:24] <AMTXP> !bot
[01:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:24] <MarcN> AMTXP: I would recommend you install edgy and not feisty until it is released.
[01:24] <mon^rch> !hi > vio
[01:24] <vio> feisty in incredibly stable.. :)
[01:24] <AMTXP> well edgy didn't
[01:24] <AMTXP> work
[01:24] <AMTXP> so no no
[01:25] <AMTXP> I'm hoping that with the new kernel, fiesty will have the driver for my hd
[01:25] <vio> edgy didn't wasn't stable enough with beryl and compiz for me
[01:25] <vio> didn't.. lol
[01:25] <AMTXP> because the latest Fedora release worked
[01:25] <billy> !info gdesklets
[01:25] <AMTXP> and i'm asuming it was using a newer kernel than edgy
[01:25] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[01:26] <vio> anyways, have a question how can i activte the compiz-theme-manager, i did the following: installed aiglx (works great) and beryl (not stable enough) so i turned to compiz (through beryl-manager)
[01:26] <mon^rch> grrr... alot of gdesklets dont work properly :(
[01:26] <billy> mon^rch: no?
[01:26] <AMTXP> !info hd
[01:26] <ubotu> Package hd does not exist in feisty
[01:26] <AMTXP> !info kernel
[01:26] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in feisty
[01:26] <vio> so compiz is installed and working fine, i just don't have a theme-manager to change the themes :(
[01:26] <billy> I need to stop looking at screenshots.  They say you covet what you see.  :)
[01:26] <AMTXP> !kernel
[01:26] <mon^rch> I cant get the weather applets to update, for starters
[01:26] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:27] <vio> i tried #ubuntu-effects with no answers.. so i went to #ubuntu and was thrown here ;)
[01:27] <mon^rch> vio: compiz uses the usual gtk themes :)
[01:28] <AMTXP> All: brb
[01:28] <phaidros> how to find out BIOS version within linux?
[01:28] <vio> mon^rch:  how can i change them?
[01:28] <mon^rch> vio: want a link for a nice vista clone... (but different)
[01:28] <vio> yeah sure
[01:28] <vio> i have 1 downloaded, just don't know where to load it
[01:28] <mon^rch> 2 shakes, kay?
[01:28] <vio> mon^rch:  42697-LiNsta-GTK2.tar.gz i got this 1
[01:29] <IndyGunFreak> can i use my edgy xorg.conf, in feisty?  It has some settings for dual monitor that were a bit of a pain to set up properly
[01:29] <vio> just don't know how to load it or where to load it
[01:29] <IndyGunFreak> i plan on a clean install, and was just gonna change it manually
[01:29] <mon^rch> vio: system--> Prefs --> theme... and drag & drop the archive into the window :)
[01:30] <mon^rch> linsta is awesome..... amke SURE you install gtk-themes-pixbuff
[01:30] <vio> holy crap..
[01:30] <AMTXP> one more thing
[01:30] <vio> that was way to simple ^^,
[01:30] <ardchoille> If I install Feisty today and keep it updated, how much diff will there be between it and the released Feisty after the 19th? Will I be missing added apps or anything?
[01:30] <mon^rch> or it wont display proper
[01:30] <vio> mon^rch:  thanks though  :)
[01:30] <AMTXP> can i increase the size of the partition of Ubuntu?
[01:30] <mon^rch> np
[01:30] <AMTXP> if i need to?
[01:30] <phaidros> how to find out BIOS version within linux?
[01:31] <phaidros> AMTXP: gparted :)
[01:31] <vio> mon^rch:  do you know how to active the cube aswell?
[01:31] <AMTXP> gparted?
[01:31] <mon^rch> vio: make sure you set the controls to linsta and the window border too :)
[01:31] <mon^rch> vio: yes
[01:31] <vio> mon^rch:  mmmm.. <- newbie ^^,
[01:32] <mon^rch> vio: so am I :)
[01:32] <vio> mon^rch:  that's how it works ;)
[01:32] <vio> it's usually the simple things that don't get answered
[01:32] <AMTXP> well
[01:33] <AMTXP> i'm going to back my pc now
[01:33] <AMTXP> and dl fiesty
[01:33] <AMTXP> well
[01:33] <AMTXP> at least all my files
[01:33] <AMTXP>  a full backup would take wayyyyy to long
[01:33] <mon^rch> run gconf-editor --> apps -->compiz --> screen0 --> options and change hsize to 4 and number of desktops to 1
[01:34] <billy> mon^rch: yeah.  you're right.  buggy.
[01:34] <mon^rch> billy: crappy, eh?
[01:34] <billy> mon^rch: well, most of the stuff I chose just popped an error message.  Like I said, I need to stop looking a screenshots and just be happy with what I have.
[01:35] <phaidros> AMTXP: gparted is the tool to resize partitions, the installer should be able to do it also
[01:35] <billy> that's weird.
[01:35] <AMTXP> cool
[01:35] <AMTXP> ok also
[01:35] <AMTXP> ummm
[01:35] <mon^rch> billy: a-haha
[01:35] <AMTXP> what is new with fiesty
[01:35] <AMTXP> because the feature list for the beta is rather short
[01:35] <AMTXP> and not that impressive
[01:35] <AMTXP> for a major release anyways
[01:35] <mon^rch> AMTXP: if you're not willing to try, then....
[01:36] <AMTXP> no i want to try it
[01:36] <AMTXP> but i'm wondering what's new
[01:36] <AMTXP> besides the codecs and
[01:36] <vio> mon^rch:  sweeeet, do you know the shortcut with (mouse)?
[01:36] <mon^rch> AMTXP: its deskyop is "trying" to rival vista's
[01:36] <AMTXP> nice
[01:36] <mon^rch> vio: no :(
[01:37] <mon^rch> vio: and I'm not sure what you mean...
[01:37] <vio> found it: Ctrl+Alt+ left mouse button
[01:37] <AMTXP> i'm hoping wine will start working on support for Vista applications once they get 1.0 out the door
[01:38] <mon^rch> seems to me like wine has a long journey ahead :(
[01:38] <AMTXP> i dunno
[01:38] <AMTXP> for applications it's going great
[01:38] <AMTXP> they are really pushing support for games now though
[01:38] <mon^rch> :) good for you!
[01:38] <AMTXP> I got Steam working on my Ubuntu machine accross the hall
[01:38] <vio> mon^rch: yeah.. wine is buggy.. still advancind
[01:39] <vio> i got steam working aswell, want a guide?
[01:39] <mon^rch> vio: for the linsta theme do you have the gtk-themes-pixbuff installed?
[01:39] <vio> mon^rch: i don't know what that is
[01:39] <vio> ^^,
[01:39] <vio> i'll try to apt-get it
[01:39] <mon^rch> 1 sec
[01:39] <AMTXP> well i mean steam is working great, none of the games do though....probably because i haven't installed any video drivers or anything...that machine is rather old
[01:40] <AMTXP> i will definately be trying it out if i get Ubuntu working on this machine
[01:40] <billy> mon^rch: it was gnome-compiz-manager that we were talking about a minute ago I think (GL Desktop), if that was you I was talking to.
[01:40] <thespore> i just got a wireless adapter (belkin 802.11g USB) and i can't get it to connect.  it sees the connection but says there's no signal.. it's literally 6 feet away from the router.
[01:40] <mon^rch> vio it's called gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[01:40] <vio> thespore: 1 sec
[01:40] <vio> mon^rch:  thanks ;)
[01:41] <vio> mon^rch:  gtk2-engines-pixbuf is already the newest version.
[01:41] <mon^rch> vio: install it and reload the theme by changing to another, then swiitching back
[01:41] <mon^rch> vio: oh, ok... cool :)
[01:42] <mon^rch> then it's displaying properly :)
[01:42] <vio> not really.. :P
[01:42] <mon^rch> billy: tyvm :)
[01:43] <vio> uuuu... updates..
[01:43] <billy> mon^rch: i'm really anacronym ingorant. :(
[01:43] <mon^rch> lol
[01:43] <mon^rch> and voila... GL Desktop appears :)
[01:43] <ShackJack> Hi all - what is the easiest way to network my wireless notebook to my desktop computer? - Samba via "shared folders" deosn't seem to work quite right(?)
[01:44] <sizzam> ShackJack: just for file sharing?
[01:44] <ShackJack> Yes - I have a folder on my desktop shared and read only unchecked, but I can't read thefiles with the notebook..
[01:45] <vio> thespore: this is what you need to do: 1. get the belkin windows 98 driver and use ndiswrapper to install it
[01:45] <sizzam> i've always skipped all that stuff and just installed SSH on my linux box and then used SFTP via FileZilla from the Windows box
[01:46] <AMTXP> wow
[01:46] <AMTXP> fiesty has a really nice lookin theme now
[01:46] <ShackJack> sizzam - So I take it there's no easy (read: intuitive) way then to do so in Feisty
[01:46] <thespore> vio, okay
[01:46] <mon^rch> AMTXP: you should see some of the Beryl themes (emerald)...
[01:46] <mon^rch> super sexy
[01:46] <sizzam> ShackJack: i wouldn't say that
[01:47] <phaidros> how to find out BIOS version within linux?
[01:47] <AMTXP> monarch: link?
[01:47] <sizzam> ShackJack: have you seen these samba instructions for edgy?  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server
[01:47] <mon^rch> but I'm sticking with compiz... it's "smoother"
[01:47] <ShackJack> sizzam - Any networking 1010 guides you can point me to... I can find anything readable
[01:47] <ShackJack> sizzam - I've bene to - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[01:48] <AMT> hi
[01:48] <mon^rch> amtxp: gnome-look.org
[01:48] <AMT> ah
[01:48] <AMT> been there
[01:48] <mon^rch> beryl tab on left
[01:48] <AMT> the ubuntu machine accross the hall looks like a mac
[01:48] <ShackJack> sizzam - the one criticism I have with the Ubuntu guide is it skips the *why* you should install this or that or what it's for..
[01:48] <mon^rch> o
[01:49] <sizzam> ShackJack: true.  i've been lucky in that SSH/SFTP has met all of my file transfer needs, so i've never played with samba
[01:49] <AMT> oh very nice
[01:49] <cab10886> what's the effects #?
[01:49] <ShackJack> sizzam - I checked off samba and nfs on the shared folders when activating it for the first time, so I assumed smfs was installed along with samba which is running as a service
[01:49] <cab10886> need to get beryl up and running
[01:49] <mon^rch> cab10886: #ubuntu-effects
[01:50] <ShackJack> sizzam - I can see files on the desktop but can't write them - some I can "read" like MP3, but other's no - like text files
[01:50] <cab10886> thanks
[01:50] <ShackJack> cab10886 - or #beryl :)
[01:50] <sizzam> ShackJack: is your desktop using an NTFS partition
[01:51] <ShackJack> sizzam - well, it is, but they are both running feisty...
[01:51] <mon^rch> ntfs parts can not set permissions properly :(
[01:51] <mon^rch> karp!
[01:51] <sizzam> ShackJack: ahh, gotcha
[01:51] <AMT> dang
[01:51] <AMT> that is bomb
[01:51] <mon^rch> I'm getting a 500 gigger and mounting it as /home :D :D :D
[01:51] <ShackJack> Can anyone point me to nay *good* netowrking 101 guides - I.e. - how to assign this computer this IP or that hostname and so forth?
[01:52] <mon^rch> ShackJack: linux router project is okay...
[01:52] <AMT> why you would want linux to look like Vista, is beyond me, but it looks tight none the less
[01:53] <feistyman> Hey, can anyone suggest good programs to decode flac and shn files?
[01:53] <mon^rch> amt: my linux looks like vista... but not it's a wicked theme
[01:53] <ShackJack> mon^rch - eh?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Router_Project
[01:54] <mon^rch> :( site is down
[01:55] <AMT> so what is beryl
[01:55] <mon^rch> AMT: if you a re familiar with WindowFX... it's similar...
[01:56] <AMT> ah
[01:56] <AMT> very nice
[01:56] <AMT> I like!
[01:56] <mon^rch> indeed
[01:56] <mon^rch> :)
[01:56] <AMT> how much processing power does it take though
[01:56] <mon^rch> now, do I get a cookie for promoting ubuntu?
[01:56] <mon^rch>  :D
[01:57] <AMT> ummm
[01:57] <mon^rch> AMT: not baaaaaaaad if you got a nice vid card
[01:57] <AMT> no cookie for you! I've been running gameservers on Ubuntu for the past 8 mo or so
[01:57] <AMT> :P
[01:57] <mon^rch> :P
[01:58] <mon^rch> bee-otch
[01:58] <AMT> but you do get a cookie for for showing me Beryl
[01:58] <mon^rch> lol
[01:58] <mon^rch> note: ppl have recently said compiz and beryl are merging projects... :)
[01:59] <AMT> nice
[01:59] <mon^rch> well I'm excited anyway
[01:59] <AMT> me 2
[01:59] <AMT> screw bill gates and his money
[01:59] <mon^rch> but windows IS nice software...
[02:00] <AMT> no
[02:00] <AMT> its needed software
[02:00] <AMT> expecially for gamers
[02:00] <AMT> but no one really likes it
[02:00] <mon^rch> just linux is better :)
[02:00] <AMT> should donate it to Ubuntu - oh man that would be hillarious
[02:00] <AMT> *bill gates
[02:00] <mon^rch> I don't game anymore so.... heheh
[02:00] <AMT> i do
[02:01] <AMT> i have lots of games
[02:01] <AMT> just got Supreme Commander
[02:01] <rsthree> i have a ds lite and linux-based pc games.  i'm set
[02:01] <AMT> pretty cool
[02:01] <mon^rch> I have succesfull run the quake series on linux :D
[02:01] <AMT> nice
[02:01] <AMT> 20 min remaining on backup
[02:01] <AMT> 37 min remaining on fiesty dl
[02:01] <AMT> glad people are actually seeding it
[02:01] <mon^rch> tick-yock
[02:01] <mon^rch> tock
[02:01] <AMT> 180 kb/s
[02:01] <AMT> yock lol
[02:02] <AMT> restroom time
[02:02] <AMT> brb
[02:04] <AMT> back
[02:04] <choudesh> hey all
[02:05] <AMT> hello
[02:06] <shooters> I can't upgrade to feisty.  It says I need at least 123M of free disc space on /var/cache/apt/archives, and I have over 1G free on /
[02:06] <AMT> clear the cache maybe?
[02:06] <choudesh> shooters, please pastebin the output of `df -h`
[02:07] <choudesh> !pastebin | shoorts
[02:07] <ubotu> shoorts: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:07] <choudesh> !pastebin | shooters
[02:07] <ubotu> shooters: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:07] <vio> hiya.. :)
[02:07] <vio> my compouter forced me a restart
[02:07] <choudesh> !hi | vio
[02:07] <ubotu> vio: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:07] <vio> !hi | choudesh
[02:07] <ubotu> choudesh: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:08] <AMT> !bye | amt
[02:08] <vio> bye ^^,
[02:08] <AMT> haha
[02:08] <AMT> didnt' work
[02:08] <choudesh> please don't play with the bot. ;-)
[02:08] <AMT> i'm not leaving
[02:08] <vio> !yumsnack
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yumsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <shooters> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15140/
[02:08] <AMT> i like playing with bot
[02:08] <vio> !botsnack
[02:08] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:08] <AMT> !birdsandthebees
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about birdsandthebees - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <vio> ^^
[02:08] <vio> !botslap
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botslap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <AMT> rofl
[02:08] <AMT> !sneeze
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sneeze - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <AMT> lol
[02:09] <choudesh> shooters, what method are you using to upgrade to feisty?
[02:09] <sizzam> !chucknorris
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chucknorris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <AMT> ROFL
[02:09] <shooters> choudesh: update-manager -c -d  , should I used the dist-upgrade method instead?
[02:09] <AMT> !amt
[02:09] <choudesh> shooters, no
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:10] <vio> !botabuse | AMT
[02:10] <ubotu> AMT: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:10] <AMT> :(
[02:10] <choudesh> shooters, and what is the output of update-manager?
[02:10] <vio> hehe
[02:10] <AMT> fine i'll talk to the bot privately
[02:11] <choudesh> AMT, very angry ops. :-X
[02:11] <ssaa> hello i need some help please
[02:11] <choudesh> !ask | ssaa
[02:11] <ubotu> ssaa: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:11] <shooters> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15141/
[02:11] <AMT> hello, ssaa
[02:11] <vio> hehe
[02:11] <ssaa> how do i set a static ip for my wifi connection
[02:11] <vio> well, have you configured your wireless?
[02:11] <ssaa> hello (i knew someone would type !  ask  lol)
[02:11] <choudesh> shooters, and then what, just dies?
[02:11] <choudesh> !wireless | ssaa
[02:11] <ubotu> ssaa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:12] <vio> shooters: Sudo apt-get update
[02:12] <shooters> choudesh: "The upgrades abort now. Please free at least 123M of disk space on /var/cache/apt/archives ........." . Then I click OK, it dies and reverts the upgrades (repos)
[02:13] <vio> shooters:  nvm me
[02:13] <snowpunk98> Can anyone tell me the name of a pdf printer
[02:13] <Beta> Is there a way to get evolution to minize to the Notification area?
[02:13] <choudesh> shooters, do you have any quotas in place?
[02:14] <shooters> nope
[02:14] <Beta> What's wrong with shooter?
[02:14] <vio> Beta: i wonder the same ^^,
[02:14] <ssaa> can anyone take a look at my ifconfig output?
[02:14] <AMT> ubotu isn't very helpful
[02:14] <choudesh> shooters, `du -h /var/cache/apt/archives/`
[02:14] <ssaa> can i paste it in here?
[02:14] <choudesh> !pastebin | ssaa
[02:14] <Beta> !paste
[02:14] <ubotu> ssaa: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:14] <vio> !pastebin | ssaa
[02:14] <vio> ;)
[02:15] <Beta> Arg, too man channels
[02:15] <AMT> lol
[02:15] <vio> mon^rch:  hiya ^^,
[02:15] <ssaa> done, anyone?
[02:15] <shooters> choudesh: 0
[02:15] <ssaa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15142/
[02:16] <mon^rch> vio: hey :)
[02:16] <ssaa> is it normal to have my wifi at eth1?
[02:16] <mon^rch> making dinner (sloppy joes) i"ll be in & out
[02:16] <vio> mon^rch: i managed to remove my minizie tray ^^,
[02:16] <pianoboy3333> Feisty get pushed off?
[02:16] <AMT> tommorow
[02:16] <AMT> rc
[02:16] <vio> mon^rch: so when i minimize amsn or amarok they don't go to the tray.. ^^,
[02:16] <AMT> anyone into 24
[02:16] <AMT> crud
[02:16] <vio> AMT:  the bad series?
[02:17] <AMT> wrong window
[02:17] <AMT> lol its ok
[02:17] <pianoboy3333> rofl
[02:17] <choudesh> shooters, ???
[02:17] <vio> hehe
[02:17] <mon^rch> vio: just click once on the tray icon
[02:17] <choudesh> shooters, you get 0 for `du -h /var/cache/apt/archives/`
[02:17] <vio> mon^rch:  no.. i mean that dissapeard..
[02:17] <vio> i can't do that anymore :(
[02:17] <mon^rch> vio: oh, shitty...
[02:17] <choudesh> shooters, did you delete everything in there?
[02:18] <vio> mon^rch:  :( yeah
[02:18] <mon^rch> vio: wtf did you DO?
[02:18] <vio> i didn't know what it was so i removed it from the panel, suddenly i couldn't minimize shit no more
[02:18] <shooters> choudesh: I did a `sudo apt-get clean`
[02:18] <shooters> choudesh: like the msg was telling me
[02:18] <choudesh> shooters, ok.
[02:18] <vio> i didn't have any apps open either so i didn't know what it was?
[02:19] <choudesh> shooters, yea - but I thought clean still left the meta data
[02:19] <mon^rch> ahhhh r-click on panel, add to panel tray...
[02:19] <AMT> 20 minutes remaining on fiesty dl
[02:19] <AMT> 2 minutes remaining on backup
[02:19] <shooters> choudesh: there is 21M in /var/cache/apt ... but nothing in archives
[02:19] <vio> mhm.. what should i add from the list?
[02:19] <mon^rch> gtg, cooking :)
[02:20] <ssaa> please someone help me
[02:20] <vio> noo mon_away
[02:20] <ssaa> how do i set static ip
[02:20] <vio> ssaa i do it from the tray @ top
[02:20] <ssaa> but where?
[02:20] <vio> 2 sec
[02:20] <AMT> ssaa: administrator tools i think
[02:20] <AMT> hold on
[02:20] <vio> or "networking"
[02:20] <AMT> i have no idea
[02:20] <choudesh> shooters, what version of update-manager?
[02:20] <ssaa> amt: ok
[02:21] <AMT> yea
[02:21] <choudesh> ssaa, please read the wireless docs, it is contained in them.
[02:21] <choudesh> !wireless | ssaa
[02:21] <vio> ssaa: System->Administration->Network Tools
[02:21] <AMT> thats it
[02:21] <vio> yeah ;)
[02:21] <ubotu> ssaa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:21] <shooters> 0.45.2
[02:21] <mon_away> I just got a I can't use a _away nick... I mean OMFG!
[02:21] <vio> !botabuse | choudesh
[02:21] <ubotu> choudesh: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:22] <ssaa> but the strange thing is that i have my wireless connection disabled in the net settings in administrative tools
[02:22] <choudesh> I don't like answering the same questions more than 4 times in a day. ;-)
[02:22] <AMT> *laugh
[02:22] <AMT> mmm
[02:22] <vio> ssaa did you install the drivers?!
[02:22] <vio> for the wireless..
[02:22] <mon^rch> but I'm not here... :P
[02:22] <vio> ssaa: do you have an "pysical Activate W-lan button"?
[02:23] <vio> on your laptop?
[02:23] <shooters> choudesh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/95260, look at the 4th or 5th replies... someone else is having this problem
[02:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 95260 in update-manager "Not enough free disk space" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[02:23] <vio> uuu^^,
[02:23] <choudesh> shooters, yea - I am looking at the linked bugs to that
[02:24] <vio> only 95260 bugs..
[02:25] <AMT> all done backing up
[02:25] <AMT> !bugs
[02:25] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:25] <choudesh> shooters, I just tested it and confirmed it.
[02:25] <choudesh> shooters, let me look into this.
[02:26] <shooters> choudesh: do you want output from /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log ?
[02:26] <vio> any1 here got the compiz-plugin?
[02:26] <choudesh> shooters, please post it to pastebin
[02:27] <AMT> well
[02:27] <AMT> 12 minutes remaining on feisty download
[02:27] <shooters> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15145/
[02:27] <AMT> hope this goes well
[02:27] <AMT> or i'm going to have to hurt somebody
[02:27] <choudesh> shooters, can you umount /boot?
[02:27] <choudesh> shooters, umount -f /boot
[02:28] <mzuverink> I have a bunch of home vid cam .avi's ans usually use nero vision, no more windows in my house what would be the best out there in the repos, note mandvd is what I am currently trying, but its horribly slow?
[02:28] <pianoboy3333> Did Feisty get pushed off? I thought it was going to be released the 15th?
[02:28] <shooters> choudesh: Resource busy
[02:28] <AMT> !feisty
[02:28] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:28] <choudesh> shooters, thought so. give me the output of the main.log
[02:29] <AMT> !schedule
[02:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:29] <shooters> choudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15145/
[02:31] <thespore> vio, driver was already installed with ndiswrapper
[02:31] <AMT> !nvidia
[02:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <choudesh> shooters, hmm...what version of python are you running?
[02:33] <choudesh> shooters, pythong --version
[02:33] <vio> thespore: did you try the System->Administrativ->Network ?
[02:33] <choudesh> shooters, python --version
[02:33] <thespore> vio, yes
[02:33] <shooters> choudesh: Python 2.4.4c1
[02:33] <thespore> disabled my other ethernet devices and have tried hardcoding the information or using roaming.. still it connects but no signal, no net access
[02:34] <vio> thespore: are you sure it isn't encryped?
[02:34] <AMT> well
[02:34] <AMT> i'm going to install ubuntu
[02:34] <vio> AMT:  good choice ;) try
[02:34] <thespore> vio, yes i'm sure no WEP nothing
[02:34] <vio> feisty
[02:34] <AMT> wish me luck, and if its your kind of thing -- "pray"
[02:35] <vio> what adapter do you have
[02:35] <choudesh> !info python
[02:35] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[02:35] <choudesh> !info python edgy
[02:35] <thespore> it's a belkin 802.11g USB adapter
[02:35] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[02:35] <vio> oh-yeah..
[02:35] <thespore> rt17 i think is what the driver is
[02:36] <choudesh> shooters, may be an issue in python.
[02:36] <choudesh> shooters, I confirmed the bug.
[02:36] <vio> thespore: Type "this in terminal":     lspci , then paste it
[02:36] <vio> !pastebin | thespore
[02:36] <ubotu> thespore: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:36] <shooters> choudesh: synaptic python package is 2.4.3-11ubuntu3
[02:36] <thespore> vio, i'm on my laptop
[02:37] <thespore> but i can tell you now.. i don't see that belkin in the list
[02:37] <choudesh> shooters, hmm...
[02:37] <vio> hmm
[02:37] <thespore> it's all my on-board stuff my linksys 10/100 card and my graphics card
[02:38] <shooters> choudesh: but package "python" depends on "python2.4", so I guess that's normal
[02:38] <choudesh> shooters, free up 123megs in /
[02:38] <thespore> vio, but this is a usb adapter would it show up in lspci?
[02:38] <thespore> it shows the usb controllers
[02:38] <shooters> choudesh: I have 1.1 GB free, you want me to free another 123 MB?
[02:38] <choudesh> shooters, free up rougly 123 megs, I would do around 150megs
[02:38] <choudesh> shooters, yes.
[02:38] <vio> i'm not certain
[02:39] <vio> thespore: try #ubuntu for more help
[02:39] <vio> they have more advanced helpers
[02:39] <DrCurl> hi
[02:39] <vio> (just don't mention that you have feisty ;))
[02:39] <shooters> choudesh: /boot and /home are already mounted on a separate partition, where can I take that 123MB?
[02:39] <feistyman> Hey, can anyone suggest a program or programs that decode flac and shn "lossless" music files?
[02:40] <DrCurl> I'm running kubuntu feisty beta
[02:40] <choudesh> shooters, just move 150 megs to a different partition.
[02:40] <choudesh> shooters, from /
[02:40] <DrCurl> since I suspend earlier today, all my kde apps are transparent
[02:40] <newkubuntuuser> hi, can anyone help me with the installation of rubygems on feisty? i get missing packages like rdoc
[02:41] <vio> newkubuntuuser: try using the Synaptics Package Manager under system->administration
[02:42] <newkubuntuuser> using kubuntu, no synaptics there, only adept
[02:42] <vio> newkubuntuuser:  you should have chosen ubuntu ;)
[02:42] <shooters> choudesh: I just cp /usr /home/usr and then ln -s /home/usr /usr ?
[02:42] <choudesh> yep
[02:43] <choudesh> shooters, are you upgrading from feisty?
[02:43] <shooters> from edgy to feisty
[02:43] <vio> newkubuntuuser: try #kubuntu they have support for kubuntu (feisty)
[02:43] <choudesh> thats what I meant to say
[02:43] <snowpunk98> Can someone tell me an easy way to print to a PDF file like a program I can get through apt-get?
[02:44] <newkubuntuuser> #kubuntu sent me here...
[02:44] <BHSPitMonkey> hey
[02:44] <vio> newkubuntuuser:  switch to ubuntu then ;)
[02:45] <Benny_132> hi guys anybody here install the Feisty beta on a mac book pro
[02:45] <BHSPitMonkey> I had a friend install nvidia-glx in feisty, and change his xorg.conf driver to "nvidia", but this caused X not to start.
[02:45] <BHSPitMonkey> Is there some other way I'm supposed to be getting nvidia support up?
[02:45] <choudesh> !nvidia | BHSPitLappy
[02:45] <ubotu> BHSPitLappy: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <vio> BHSP try installing with a decent guide and or use envy to install your drivers
[02:46] <krups> having nvidia issues also - looks like kernel incompatible with current nvidia-glx?
[02:46] <newkubuntuuser> vio: any suggestions that would actually solve the problem?
[02:46] <BHSPitMonkey> krups, that sure would be interesting, just over a week prior to release
[02:48] <vio> newkubuntuuser: yeah. #ubuntu-effects
[02:49] <vio> newkubuntuuser: the problem is that you are missing a few packages
[02:49] <newkubuntuuser> vio, yeah, i thought so. but why? do i need to add sources?
[02:50] <vio> newkubuntuuser: no i dont think so, what version of ruby do you have?
[02:50] <newkubuntuuser> vio: the one it installed ;-) how to check?
[02:50] <newkubuntuuser> i installed my sys an hour ago...
[02:51] <coach> hi@all
[02:51] <coach> i've got a problem with wine@amd64
[02:51] <coach> i installed it with --force architecture, but he doesn't find it when i want to run wine
[02:51] <vio> newkubuntuuser: can you paste your error at pastebin?
[02:52] <linux_kid> How can I speed up bcm43xx ??
[02:52] <newkubuntuuser> can paste it here: "E: Konnte Paket rdoc nicht finden" when apt-getting rdoc (means: could not find package rdoc)
[02:52] <vio> linux_kid: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/WiFi_In_Ubuntu_Feisty_Fawn_Explored
[02:52] <vio> !pastebin | newkubuntuuser
[02:52] <ubotu> newkubuntuuser: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:52] <linux_kid> thank you vio
[02:52] <noname`u> Has anyone successfully used beryl with the ATI x1400-1800 cards?
[02:53] <vio> noname`u:  nope.. try compiz ;)
[02:53] <noname`u> Yea compiz works... is there a settings manager for it?
[02:53] <newkubuntuuser> thy, i know what pastebin is, but for this short 1-line-things it is not very useful, is it?
[02:53] <noname`u> I found the compiz-manager but it's gone from the internet now
[02:53] <noname`u> None of the links work anymore
[02:53] <noname`u> err.. compiz-settings*
[02:54] <aubade> Anyone have an idea when nightly builds are thrown together?
[02:54] <vio> 1 am gmt
[02:55] <aubade> Suppose I can hang in a few more hours then, ty. :P
[02:55] <vio> aubade: try sudo apt-get update on your terminal ;)
[02:55] <noname`u> Does a settings manager exist for compiz?
[02:56] <vio> noname`u: yeah..
[02:56] <krups> yeah - so i'm getting "nvidia-kernel-module has driver 1.0-9755" but X module has 1.0-9631
[02:56] <noname`u> What's it called? :)
[02:57] <vio> noname`u: http://gandalfn.wordpress.com/gnome-compiz-manager/
[02:57] <linux_kid> vio, That is a useful link, but does not elaborate on how to change configuration.
[02:57] <vio> linux_kid: i prob gave you the wrong 1
[02:58] <linux_kid> vio, ok, do you have another one? :)
[02:59] <noname`u> Works for feisty, vio?
[02:59] <vio> noname`u: haven't tested it out, didn't have any need for it
[03:00] <noname`u> I'm using fglrx too
[03:00] <newkubuntuuser> anyone has any ideas how to fix this
[03:00] <vio> linux_kid: can't seem to find it on my history
[03:01] <linux_kid> vio, ok, time for google
[03:01] <vio> linux_kid: try www.google.com/linux ;)
[03:01] <newkubuntuuser> i just looked at my sources and they are ubuntu, so probably kubuntu does not make a difference and ubuntu cant install rubygems too.
[03:02] <vio> noname`u:  try #ubuntu-effects
[03:07] <aubade> vio: On a (half broken) Debian install because I got bored and only one CD-R left, saving it for the Ubuntu 7.04 RC. (:
[03:08] <vio> !ask | aubade
[03:08] <ubotu> aubade: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:08] <Toma-> can you dd/copy the iso onto a flashdrive and boot from that?
[03:09] <vio> aubade: what is your question?
[03:13] <aubade> vio: Ah... my question passed...
[03:15] <vio> :)
[03:15] <vio> i gotta go, have fun guys ;)
[03:15] <GaiaX11> I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?
[03:18] <delmorep> for someone who has a cleanish feisty install : will you check and see if /etc/libao.conf says ALSA09 or ALSA10? :) in edgy changing it from 09 to 10 made everything work soundcard wise, i just upgraded to feisty and everything worked even faster, but im wondering if thats because of alsa1.0 or if Feisty now defaults to 1.0 -- sorry long, boring
[03:19] <clever[rev] > ive upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 and now my wireless card stoped working
[03:20] <clever[rev] > how would i go about fixing it?
[03:20] <N6REJ> I just ran todays updates and now I have no sound!
[03:20] <N6REJ> I had sound just fine before I rebooted.
[03:21] <delmorep> N6REJ: what does your /etc/libao.conf file say?
[03:21] <delmorep> should be one line
[03:21] <N6REJ> delmorep: default_driver=alsa09
[03:22] <delmorep> :) ok try changing it to default_driver=alsa10
[03:22] <N6REJ> I had it in config set for auto-detect and there was no sound so I went into autoconfig and said alsa.
[03:22] <N6REJ> ok
[03:22] <delmorep> reboot after, probably not necessary, but a windows habit i cant break
[03:23] <N6REJ> delmorep: ok, I did a "alsa-utils" restart and heard a "thump thump" from the speakers but system settings doesn't play a sound.
[03:23] <N6REJ> I'll restart now
[03:24] <linux_kid> How do I config bcm43xx ?|?
[03:27] <clever[rev] > ive upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 and now my wireless card stoped working
[03:27] <clever[rev] > how would i go about fixing it?
[03:28] <delmorep> does it show up in the networking control panel?
[03:28] <clever[rev] > its no longer showing in ifconfig
[03:28] <clever[rev] > and iwconfig also doesnt show it
[03:28] <clever[rev] > used to be wlan0 but now its gone but all other interfaces look fine
[03:29] <delmorep> any luck N6REJ ?
[03:29] <N6REJ> delmorep: ok, that fixed it.  Would you please tell me why?
[03:30] <IndyGunFreak> I just installed Xubuntu 7.04, i have a "File System" icon on my desktop, i don't care for that, how do i remove it?
[03:31] <delmorep> haha, i have no idea why... i know that the 09 and 10 are version numbers, ie driver version 0.9 and 1.0... i discovered this fix while running edgy... it made everything agreeable with ALSA (even audacity)... then when i upgraded to feisty, everything worked even better! and i actualyl came here to ask if feisty defaults to 09 or 10.... kinda tricked you into answering my question
[03:31] <N6REJ> delmorep: lol thats ok with me!
[03:32] <delmorep> i found the idea here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2392024
[03:32] <N6REJ> delmorep: I have another question though that I hope someone can help with.  There is some mystery device that isn't functioning.  I TIHNK its looking for a wacom digitzing tablet that I don't have.  see here for the error.. it does this often when installing apps.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15152/
[03:33] <delmorep> oh, im actually a linux-noob, the stars aligned very mysteriously with our last encounter :)
[03:33] <mon^rch> ...too many beer (burp)
[03:34] <N6REJ> hehehe np.
[03:34] <delmorep> when clever started talking about ifconfig and whatnot... i knew i would be of no help
[03:34] <delmorep> good luck... remember which file that was in case you ever need to change it back
[03:34] <clever[rev] > lol
[03:35] <N6REJ> yeah, i will tyvm.
[03:35] <clever[rev] > i made a script which used iwconfig and ip to enable my wlan0 interface
[03:35] <clever[rev] > and now thw wlan0 interface is missing
[03:36] <delmorep> N6REJ:  actually this is the article that got me thinking http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Allow_multiple_programs_to_play_sound_at_once
[03:37] <delmorep> its for arch, but the basic idea is the same... archlinux is very well documented and most of their documentation will port to ubuntu
[03:37] <N6REJ> ah ok.
[03:37] <mon^rch> tonyyarusso: thanks again for the package last night... very happy :D
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> :)
[03:38] <BHSPitMonkey> so
[03:38] <mon^rch> nice editor...
[03:38] <BHSPitMonkey> is nvidia-glx busted in feisty, then?
[03:38] <clever[rev] > oddd
[03:38] <clever[rev] > my 7.04 did swapon twice for the same device
[03:38] <kads> is opera not working in feisty yet?
[03:38] <clever[rev] > as /dev/sda5 and /dev/mapper/sda5
[03:39] <delmorep> i know how to fix that too SHSPitMonkey
[03:39] <delmorep> can you not get the update manager to install it?
[03:39] <clever[rev] > it probly would have crashed horibly once it tryed to use both
[03:39] <mon^rch> nvidia-glx and opera work fine...
[03:39] <kads> also firefox takes a lot of resources in feisty
[03:40] <kads> I get an x error when I use opera
[03:40] <mon^rch> BHSPitMonkey: sure you don't need the nvidia-glx-legacy package?
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> mon^rch, I'm pretty dang certain that's not the case
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> this is my friend's computer, and he has a much, much newer nvidia card than mine.
[03:40] <mon^rch> ok, ok, ok
[03:40] <BHSPitMonkey> and mine isn't legacy
[03:41] <kads> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[03:41] <delmorep> is the "desktop effects" the only control you have over Compiz?  does compiz have the Expose feature?
[03:41] <kads> is that jvm ?
[03:41] <BHSPitMonkey> kads, didn't you just say so? :)
[03:41] <mon^rch> delmorep: install gnome-compiz-manager (I think that's what it's called)
[03:41] <delmorep> thx
[03:42] <mon^rch> delmorep: but for now... editing compiz via gconf-editor works best, if you know wtf you are doing :P
[03:42] <phaidros> how to find out BIOS version within linux?
[03:43] <overrider> hello, if i get feisty now, can i then when the final system is released just simply use the update function of the os to get to release level? thanks
[03:43] <phaidros> overrider: yes
 oh, srry
[03:43] <mon^rch> overrider: yup
 I feel stupid
[03:43] <BHSPitMonkey> kads, don't :)
[03:43] <overrider> acho ol, thanks
 dont what?
 <BHSPitMonkey> I feel stupid
[03:44] <phaidros> kads: feel stupid .. ;)
[03:44] <kads> h
[03:44] <kads> wow
[03:44] <kads> anyway
[03:44] <GaiaX11> clever[rev] : I am still in dapper. But I remember that when I last upgrade I have this problem with my wlan and I fixed it with ndiswrapper. It is only a suggestion though
[03:44] <kads> does any one know why firefox takes so many resources in feisty
[03:44] <Pelo> evening folks
[03:44] <BHSPitMonkey> because firefox is a resource-hogging mother
[03:44] <kads> some times it takes over 85%
[03:44] <clever[rev] > GaiaX11: my wifi card worked back in 6.06 as soon as i pluged it in
[03:44] <kads> lol
[03:44] <linux_kid> Well... Feisty has great wifi support, but how do I speed up the bcm43xx driver?
[03:45] <clever[rev] > GaiaX11: modules loaded on there own asap
[03:45] <OTIS> kads: I found something that helps.  Clear history.
[03:45] <Pelo> is it worth the trouble to update to the beta now or should I wait for a couple of weeks after the official release ?
[03:45] <phaidros> kads: dunno, but its eating ressources here too. I was just thinking which browser is next to take, now that firefox got a monster
[03:45] <OTIS> kads:  I suspect it has something to do with all the baggage that the session saver is lugging around
[03:46] <mon^rch> Pelo: if you're happy, wait... otherwise feisty is fun to "hack"
[03:46] <kads> OTIS: I dont save any history on firefox
[03:46] <OTIS> kads:  Ctrl-Shift-Del , check the first 2 boxes.  Immediate drop in CPU usage.
[03:46] <Pelo> thanks for the info mon^rch , does anyone else want to chime in ?
 I heard opera is very slim
[03:47] <OTIS> Did anyone else get a Gnome crash after today's update?
[03:47] <kads> OTIS: not me
[03:47] <sonoftheclayr> Pelo: go for it, it is faster and easier, it comes out it in a week anyway
[03:47] <kads> OTIS: but I know the x stuff got messed up
[03:47] <OTIS> kads:  It still seems to be keeping track of a lot of things, like tab data.  It's worth a try
[03:48] <Pelo> thanks guys , g'night
[03:49] <OTIS> kads: If you've every studied sessionstore.js, it is lugging around a lot of metadata for each tab.  How big is your sessionstore.js ?
[03:49] <kads> OTIS: no clue how do I find out
[03:49] <GaiaX11> clever[rev] : I am still in dapper. But I remember that when I last upgrade I have this problem with my wlan and I fixed it with ndiswrapper. It is only a suggestion though
[03:49] <kads> OTIS: also what is ctrl+shift+del supposed to do
[03:49] <GaiaX11> I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?
[03:50] <OTIS> kads: those keys are to clear personal data.  you get to pick which items to clear, so it's safe to try
[03:51] <sonoftheclayr> GaiaX11: someone in #kubuntu did it, i just can't remember who. all he had trouble with was X
[03:51] <OTIS> kads: sessionstore.js is in  .mozilla/firefox/rAndoMneSs.default/sessionstrore.js
[03:51] <mon^rch> GaiaX11: I have upgraded before... broke stuff, and I hear you should upgerade dapper--> edgy---feisty... and you're still at risk. back up your stuff and vanilla install :)
[03:52] <sonoftheclayr> mon^rch: that's no fun!
[03:52] <kads> OTIS: my  clear personal data dialog doesnt even open
[03:52] <mon^rch> lol
[03:52] <mon^rch> be nice to the users :)
[03:52] <OTIS> kads: Then try Tools > Clear Private Data
[03:53] <sonoftheclayr> mon^rch: i never backup stuff, i like the risk
[03:53] <GaiaX11> sonoftheclayr: did he fix the X?
[03:53] <sonoftheclayr> GaiaX11: yeah
[03:53] <mon^rch> sonoftheclayr: I have a hd dedicated to /home so...
[03:53] <mon^rch> no probs here :)
[03:53] <sonoftheclayr> mon^rch: I don't, my harddisk isn't big enough
[03:53] <mon^rch> :(
[03:53] <kads> OTIS: I did that doesn't work
[03:54] <clever[rev] > my 7.04 is mounting the swap partition twice
[03:54] <GaiaX11> sonoftheclayr: God hint. I will go there to ask then. Thx!
[03:54] <OTIS> mon^rch: I did the same thing, clean install.  Just copied my dapper / to /home/dapper-root so I could pluck what I needed out of /etc
[03:54] <mon^rch> OTIS: nice job!
[03:54] <mon^rch> that's the ticket !
[03:55] <sonoftheclayr> i clean installed edgy on a new partition and upgraded it to feisty...no troubles except with my wireless
[03:55] <sonoftheclayr> and i also nede to give myself mor space in this partition
[03:55] <mon^rch> ugh! MGD and anti-depressants don't mix so good :P
[03:56] <OTIS> btw. what's a good size for / in Feisty?  I gave it 8 GB.  (separate /home)
[03:57] <mon^rch> OTIS: you should be fine... I use 45 GB myself...
[03:57] <sonoftheclayr> OTIS: i gave myelf 5 (only cause this hard disk is only 20) and am nearly out, and i don't have a seperate /home
[03:58] <OTIS> mon^rch: trying to keep it tight, just the system.  all user data is mounted.
[03:58] <mon^rch> I'll be an ubuntu expert in no time ! :P
[03:58] <kads> OTIS: I opend it in safe mode and then I was able to do ctrl+shift+del
[03:58] <mon^rch> OTIS: if you'r having a seperate /home 8 GB is plenty for /
[04:00] <shooters> choudesh|beer: moving my /usr fixed the problem... now the downloads requires ~ 1.3 GB.  Could it be an error in the msg box (123MB) rather than (1.3GB)?
[04:01] <OTIS> kads: any improvement?
[04:01] <kads> OTIS: definately
[04:02] <kads> OTIS: but I also had it remove personal data when it exited and delete session cookies on exi
[04:02] <kads> OTIS: my sessionstrore.js is a third for what it was before
[04:03] <OTIS> kads: ok, that's a personal choice.  the thing that seems to matter is the history.  I was going nuts with this problem, then started picking apart the JSON in sessionstore - waayyy to much detail being tracked
[04:04] <kads> OTIS: I know!! and whenever I go on a web2.0 website firefox take 80% of the cpu
[04:04] <kads> OTIS: go to digg.com
[04:05] <OTIS> kads: I also try to leave flash disabled.  the thing that really helped was moving to a better machine
[04:05] <snowpunk98> what would be the best way to move a .tar off my ubuntu server to my ubuntu desktop
[04:05] <OTIS> kads: what about digg?
[04:06] <kads> OTIS: not only digg but a javascript entensive site with ajax takes the most cpu%
[04:06] <clever[rev] > my wireless card isnt showing under iwconfig but it shows under lspci
[04:07] <OTIS> kads:  oh, yeah, I think digg makes use of scriptaculous & all that.  you may wanna consider more memory, faster CPU, etc
[04:07] <sonoftheclayr> clever[rev] : do you have the driver for it installed?
[04:07] <OTIS> kads: also try the Epiphany browser.  I've used it just a bit & it seems like 'Firefox light'
[04:07] <clever[rev] > it worked before when i had 6.06
[04:08] <clever[rev] > and the driver was allready installed and auto modprobe'd when i plugged it in
[04:08] <sonoftheclayr> clever[rev] : what chipset?
[04:08] <clever[rev] > linksys
[04:09] <clever[rev] > sonoftheclayr: 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)
[04:10] <Toma-> clever[rev] : theres a bug in that driver. wait for RC or finaal and itll be fixed
[04:10] <Toma-> clever[rev] : i had to resort to ndiswrapper to get it working :<
[04:10] <clever[rev] > ahhh
[04:10] <clever[rev] > what are the details on the bug?
[04:10] <clever[rev] > where can i see more info?
[04:10] <Toma-> its basically busted in -20
[04:10] <Toma-> wait a sec
[04:14] <Beta> What is the current beta's number?
[04:15] <Toma-> 1?
[04:15] <clever[rev] > lol crap
[04:15] <Beta> Beryl works, right?
[04:15] <clever[rev] > hit the SAK sysrq
[04:15] <clever[rev] > must have hit o also
[04:15] <clever[rev] > instant power off
[04:16] <Toma-> Beta: when you install it, yes
[04:16] <Beta> Neat. I wanted to know before I started to mess with it.
[04:17] <Beta> Now if I could fix my video play back glitches.
[04:17] <RAOF> Also, if you've got a well-supported video card, Compiz will work on the livecd.
[04:17] <Toma-> bug #78255
[04:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 78255 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[2.6.20-12]  rtl8180 gone missing." [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78255
[04:17] <Toma-> clever[rev] : ^^^
[04:17] <Toma-> also,
[04:18] <Toma-> bug #88430
[04:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 88430 in module-init-tools "[feisty]  broken rtl818x and rtl8187 modules loaded at boot time" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88430
[04:18] <clever[rev] > thanks i'll read them
[04:18] <Toma-> clever[rev] : as you can see, a fix is out, but the module is still blacklisted. you can always de-blacklist the module and give it a spin
[04:19] <clever[rev] > also i was able to manualy modprobe it just a min ago
[04:19] <OTIS> weird. after today's update. The Network Connection panel applet has a red X, and says 'No network connection'
[04:19] <clever[rev] > and the wlan0 came back
[04:19] <clever[rev] > and i hit the poweroff sysrq by mistake
[04:21] <Toma-> what i dont understand is the change in default configs for xchat in feisty
[04:22] <clever[rev] > odd
[04:22] <clever[rev] > its trying to link to the Famil ssid
[04:22] <clever[rev] > theres a byte missing:P
[04:22] <Toma-> clever[rev] : thats another bug
[04:22] <Toma-> add a dummy character on the end
[04:22] <Toma-> like.. "FamilyX"
[04:23] <clever[rev] > yeaj allready done
[04:23] <GreySim> Anyone know how to get Firefox sound working with LTSP?
[04:24] <Kevlar_Soul> Lisp?
[04:24] <clever[rev] > Toma-: im allready using a script to set the essid/key/ip i can just add a modprobe to it and the fix is seamless:)
[04:24] <Toma-> clever[rev] : just remember to un-blacklist the module and it should load automagically
[04:25] <clever[rev] > where though?
[04:25] <Toma-> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:25] <clever[rev] > ajjj
[04:26] <clever[rev] > rebooting...
[04:26] <Toma-> as am i. back to feisty :D might see if i can get a wlan0 to come to life again
[04:29] <clever[rev] > wb Toma-
[04:29] <ericrost> Hey, just wanted to let you guys know, after finally getting around to trying out the bcm43xx driver again, I officially have 100% hardware support on a brand new laptop out of the repos under feisty. And this is on an HP dv9000 series laptop that had a bad rep 6 months ago
[04:29] <ericrost> great job Ubuntu devs
[04:30] <Toma-> thx
[04:30] <clever[rev] > unblacklisting works
[04:30] <ericrost> the only thing that doesn't work, doesn't work under Winblows either (its a hardware issue)
[04:30] <Toma-> sweet. ill give it a whirl now :)
[04:31] <clever[rev] > when i went 6.06 to 6.10 the touchpad driver got fixed on me
[04:31] <Gogogo111> hey, does anyone know how to change the Hz for feisty fawn? I just got 1440x900 (my res) working and compiz and stuff, but its stuck at 50hz, and its killing my eyes
[04:31] <clever[rev] > so now a few extra features work
[04:31] <clever[rev] > and the acceleration is way up
[04:31] <clever[rev] > and now the left mouse button is stuck on again
[04:33] <Gogogo111> no one?
[04:33] <Toma-> !fixres
[04:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:33] <ericrost> same as edgy
[04:33] <Toma-> Gogogo111: ^^
[04:34] <RAOF> Gogogo111: It's not stuck at 50Hz
[04:34] <RAOF> Gogogo111: You've got the new nvidia drivers, and they thought it would be a good idea to use the "Refresh rate" field to enumerate twinview modes.
[04:34] <RAOF> Xorg will always report 50Hz as the refresh rate, regardless of what the *actual* refresh rate is.
[04:35] <RAOF> You can use nvidia-settings to check the actual refresh rate.
[04:36] <Gogogo111> RAOF: ok ty, i am checking that out now
[04:36] <ericrost> RAOF: why does nvidia-settings want to uninstall nvidia-glx?
[04:36] <ericrost> RAOF: in synaptic
[04:36] <RAOF> ericrost: Becuase nvidia-glx now includes nvidia-settings.
[04:37] <RAOF> But nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't, I think.
[04:37] <Gogogo111> RAOF: THANK YOU! i was able to get 75hz! it works! thank you so much!
[04:37] <ericrost> RAOF: but its not in my menu.. do I just cmd line it?
[04:37] <RAOF> ericrost: Yes.  It doesn't get installed into a menu.  Feel free to file a bug about that, if you care enough.
[04:38] <ericrost> RAOF: I might.. I just thought it was something incompatible.. not that I ever use the nvidia-settings app...
[04:38] <RAOF> Na, neither do I.  It's just included in the drivers, now.
[04:39] <ericrost> RAOF: :) so I see what you mean about the not caring enough
[04:39] <Toma-> i get better beryl performance on edgy over feisty.... any issues that might explain that?
[04:39] <sonoftheclayr> Toma-: feisty is still in beta?
[04:39] <ericrost> I was driving myself batty until I installed the nvidia-glx through the repos since 2.6.20-14 has the wrong nvidia kernel modules..
[04:40] <Toma-> sonoftheclayr: yes it is...
[04:41] <sonoftheclayr> Toma-: i know that, maybe that explains it :P
[04:41] <Toma-> so nvidia-settings controls beyond xorg.conf?
[04:41] <Toma-> sonoftheclayr: well, a beta should be pretty well on par of what the final should do
[04:41] <ericrost> RAOF: any idea why my geforce go 6600 isn't detected by the restricted drivers manager? it was earlier in the beta, then I migrated back, then when I came back to feisty it wasnt
[04:42] <RAOF> ericrost: No, I don't.  It's clearly a bug, though.  My 7600 go is also not showing up.
[04:42] <RAOF> I *think* it happened at the same time as the nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-new split, though.
[04:42] <ericrost> RAOF: I should file that one.. thats a biggie to new adopters
[04:42] <sonoftheclayr> Toma-: i dunno i don't run beryl but maybe a config file is different or something, which is odd because i have noticed better overall performance in feisty
[04:42] <ericrost> I didn't see the nvidia-glx-new thing
[04:43] <Toma-> sonoftheclayr: yeh, im comparing the 2 now. seems my monitor is slightly different
[04:43] <ericrost> RAOF: I don't have nvidia-glx-new in synaptic... I'm on amd64 if that makes a diff
[04:44] <BluesKai> ok gents , upgraded to feisty but now it won't boot properly (I'm running the live cd )..can't even get to the prompt to startx ...can I see and fix my previous install from this live cd ?
[04:44] <ericrost> BluesKai: what system? (I only ask because I had similar probs with this lappy)
[04:45] <BluesKai> runny the x86 on anAMD64 pc, ericrost
[04:45] <BluesKai> err running
[04:46] <ericrost> BluesKai: you could need a kernel option appended to the boot line... if its an nvidia chipset mobo its likely you need to append noapic irqpoll noirqdebug
[04:47] <ericrost> I'm on amd64.. you should run amd64, though, the ia32 is really slick for running 32 bit apps, and the amd64 automatix is coming in days
[04:47] <BluesKai> no it's ATI  AFAIK ...tried to upgrade to Feisty by internet upgrade , but some pkgs wouldn't install
[04:47] <BluesKai> I don't use automatix
[04:48] <ericrost> give the boot options a try
[04:48] <RAOF> ericrost: *I* run the 64bit Feisty, and I can see nvidia-glx-new.  You may just need to update your archive lists.
[04:48] <ericrost> hmm..
[04:48] <BluesKai> !boot
[04:48] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:48] <luke-jr_work> my rating is -100
[04:48] <luke-jr_work> 7.04 doesn't appear to work at all
[04:49] <ericrost> reloading...
[04:49] <ericrost> BluesKai: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:49] <ericrost> but boot and edit them runtime first
[04:49] <luke-jr_work> anyone care for details?
[04:49] <Toma-> i think its just a beryl config tweak i did
[04:50] <BluesKai> I'm on the live cd..not TTY prompt , ericrost
[04:52] <ericrost> BluesKai: reboot, remove the livecd, hit esc, hit e, go to the kernel line, hit e, append noapic irqpoll noirqdebug, hit enter, press b
[04:53] <ericrost> hit esc when the grub msg comes up btw
[04:54] <ericrost> RAOF: ahh.. and 131 updates to install too.. not going to do that from this hotel connection though :)
[04:55] <jmichaelx> i wonder what driver should be used for a geforce mx 4000...
[04:56] <RAOF> jmichaelx: I'm pretty sure you need the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.  It's possible that the nvidia-glx package will work, though.
[04:56] <BluesKai> ok ericrost...will try that , thx
[04:56] <jmichaelx> RAOF: ty
[05:00] <Toma-> lol... i lost a window in beryl. tweaked the wobbly effect and it shot off somewhere
[05:00] <Toma-> doh.. lost another one
[05:01] <mon^rch> wow! the main repo is SO much faster than the one in Canada...
[05:02] <luke-jr_work> think if I do the updates my Kubuntu will work??
[05:02] <Toma-> move spring full, move friction 0
[05:03] <aubade> Safe to assume the 4-11 nightly will be the same as the RC for tomorrow or will there be a mid-day compilation?
[05:04] <starscalling> i know its beta; but anyone noticed uuber laggy networking?
[05:05] <DarkMageZ> starzz, what kind of latencys are you getting to where from where?
[05:05] <ericrost> startscalling: with ndiswrapper wifi I did, then I tried the bcm43xx package and its better for me..
[05:07] <starzz> @ericrost wired @darkmagez im in los angeles where do you want me to ping
[05:07] <DarkMageZ> starzz, ping microsoft.com
[05:08] <starzz> kk 1sec
[05:08] <starzz> it takes several seconds to get the first ping back
[05:09] <starzz> although it resolves quite easily
[05:09] <starzz> i still have no ping to m$
[05:09] <DarkMageZ> starzz, yeah i just noticed microsoft doesn't reply to pings. try google.com
[05:11] <DarkMageZ> starzz, you should get under 300ms
 12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 10998ms  ////  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.024/121.241/207.294/30.585 ms
 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=12 ttl=240 time=101 ms
[05:14] <starscalling> see that?
[05:14] <starscalling> irc timed out
[05:14] <starscalling> although i am still pinging ~_~
[05:14] <starscalling> sooooooooooo wierd
[05:20] <|NewUser|> !easysource
[05:20] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:22] <rarj> anyone knows how to enable me to connect to my home computer from office ?
[05:22] <spenc3> got a general apt-get question. is there anyway to check what packages are dependent to libgtk2.0-dev?
[05:27] <spenc3> got a general apt-get question. is there anyway to check what packages are dependent to libgtk2.0-dev?
[05:28] <GreySim> Does anyone know how to get sound working in Firefox on LTSP?
[05:30] <starscalling> starscalling> <starzz> 12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 10998ms  ////  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.024/121.241/207.294/30.585 ms
 <starzz> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=12 ttl=240 time=101 ms
 see that?
[05:30] <starscalling> arg even when my irc times out
[05:31] <starscalling> DarkMageZ quick before i time out again >.<
[05:32] <DarkMageZ> starscalling, your latencys aren't constantly bad. if you're using wireless i'd just say theres some interferance somewhere.
[05:34] <ibmubmweallbmfor> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg
[05:34] <starz> sigh
[05:36] <aubade> Have they decided on a name for Feisty +1?
[05:37] <ulmolavender> real men don't use p2p, real men use netcat!
[05:37] <luke-jr_work> ok, I'll go try 6.06
[05:37] <luke-jr_work> since 7.04 is too buggy to use
[05:38] <hidan> what's feisty +1 ?
[05:38] <luke-jr_work> and then I'll go back to Gentooland if 6.06 doesn't cut it :p
[05:38] <starz> WTH is netkat ulmolavender
[05:38] <aubade> hidan: Whatever follows Feisty, as in 7.10.
[05:39] <luke-jr_work> starz: how can you not know what netcat is?!?!
[05:39] <hidan> aubade : ooh thank you.
[05:39] <ulmolavender> star: I see you've been using KDE too much:)
[05:40] <luke-jr_work> well, 6.06 actually booted to a KDE desktop
[05:40] <luke-jr_work> that's a start :)
[05:40] <hidan> If I have 2 versions of ATI drivers installed, is it likely there will be system conflicts and lockups ?
[05:40] <CashValentine> If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[05:41] <misfit_toy> anybody know when network-manager will be fixed after yesterdays update?
[05:43] <RAOF> misfit_toy: Is it still broken for you?  It works for me (or rather, worked after a reboot)
[05:44] <misfit_toy> RAOF, yes still broken
[05:45] <ulmolavender> luke-jr_work: eh?
[05:45] <luke-jr_work> ulmolavender: ?
[05:45] <misfit_toy> RAOF, let me clarify, networking works, but there's a red X on the icon and it says "no network available"
[05:45] <luke-jr_work> ulmolavender: 7.04 is buggy as heck
[05:45] <CashValentine> On my feisty box if dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help thx.
[05:45] <misfit_toy> RAOF, I'm sure it will be fixed, it's just annoying
[05:46] <CashValentine> is it a hal prob?
[05:46] <misfit_toy> RAOF, I got the new nvidia-glx working with my old geforce, it was a dell laptop screen EDID issue
[05:47] <luke-jr_work> btw, once I'm done trying 6.06, I'll probably disappear-- so if you want my assistance in making 7.04 not suck, tell me now ;p
[05:47] <RAOF> misfit_toy: Oh, huzzah.  Everyone loves proprietary drivers.
[05:47] <CashValentine> Does k9copy freeze anybody's machine here????
[05:47] <luke-jr_work> wtf is k9copy
[05:47] <misfit_toy> RAOF, Option      "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP-0" fixed the black screen in X with ubuntu login sounds issue (in case anyone is watching)
[05:48] <CashValentine> luke-jr_work: lookit up cowboy
[05:48] <luke-jr_work> I don't care that muchj
[05:48] <misfit_toy> RAOF, lol, everybody loves fastest drivers! ;p
[05:49] <misfit_toy> RAOF, and that's pretty much for any old laptop with an older nvidia driver and (possibly but not confirmed a samsung lcd in it), sheesh.
[05:53] <CashValentine> If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[05:53] <luke-jr_work> btw, what's with the obsolete versions of stuff in 7.04?
[05:53] <luke-jr_work> eg, from 3 years ago or os
[05:54] <concept10> misfit_toy, i havent seen you in forever
[05:55] <RAOF> luke-jr_work: Such as?  They're almost certainly in Universe, and it would mean that no one in Ubuntu or Debian has updated the package.
[05:56] <CashValentine> If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[05:56] <Kevlar_Soul> What is the repository you need to add to get Quicktime
[05:57] <luke-jr_work> RAOF: Armagetron Advanced
[05:57] <RAOF> CashVal: We've *all* seen your question.  You don't need to re-ask it every 3 minutes.
[05:57] <misfit_toy> concept10, hello!
[05:57] <Kevlar_Soul> Make sudo eject a button on the desktop
[05:58] <misfit_toy> concept10, I was nearly homeless, lost my job, ran out of money, it was hell, but I'm back, and not in black
[05:58] <misfit_toy> :)
[05:58] <CashVal> RAOF: yes i do.  sorry.  but, new people come in to the forum.  you're not the only one here.
[05:58] <Kevlar_Soul> hahah
[05:58] <Kevlar_Soul> Oh SNAP
[05:59] <rarj> How do i install flash on Firefox in feisty ?
[05:59] <Kevlar_Soul> sudo apt install flash
[05:59] <DarkMageZ> CashValentine, it's standard practice to wait atleast 5 minutes. even if new people have joined the channel.
[05:59] <rarj> Kevlar_Soul: thanks
[05:59] <concept10> misfit_toy, serious?
[05:59] <Kevlar_Soul> He's making up policy on the fly
[05:59] <misfit_toy> concept10, serious, it was the wildest thing ever
[06:00] <CashValentine> Ok. five minutes then -- next is at 11:03 CST
[06:00] <rarj> Kevlar_Soul: Couldnt find package flash
[06:00] <luke-jr_work> CashValentine: "at least"
[06:00] <Kevlar_Soul> did you search in synaptic?
[06:00] <luke-jr_work> flash sucks :p
[06:00] <rarj> Kevlar_Soul: ok.
[06:00] <Kevlar_Soul> "that means he can do it every 5"
[06:00] <CashValentine> one of these days, someone who knows something about mounting issues may post an answer
[06:00] <concept10> misfit_toy, ive been in similar situation.  From fat pockets to rock bottom
[06:01] <DarkMageZ> rarj, the offical flash player by adobe is called flashplugin-nonfree
[06:01] <Kevlar_Soul> unmount dvd
[06:02] <DarkMageZ> rarj, if you want a low quality opensource alternative. you could try mozilla-plugin-gnash
[06:02] <misfit_toy> concept10, try it with a mortgage, 2 car payments and 3 kids
[06:02] <BluesKaj> well, no joy with append noapic ... etc ...had ro reinstall
[06:02] <Kevlar_Soul> dont recommend gnash
[06:02] <misfit_toy> grrr!
[06:02] <Kevlar_Soul> dont forget your DUI with negligent homocide
[06:02] <RAOF> Not yet.  The upcoming release will support Flash video!
[06:03] <rarj> DarkMageZ: Ok
[06:03] <Kevlar_Soul> with yoru mistress snorting cocaine in the front seat with you
[06:03] <concept10> misfit_toy, i'd be crying then
[06:03] <misfit_toy> what is all this I heard on NPR this morning about justin tv? some guy that is going to live the rest of his life with a webcam strapped to his head?
[06:03] <CashValentine> If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[06:04] <Benny_132> anyone no why i cant install the beta release on my mac book pro
[06:04] <misfit_toy> concept10, at that point there is no crying, only deep soulsearching, anyway, nice to see you again.
[06:04] <CashValentine> Anybody know anything here.
[06:04] <Benny_132> CashValentine: i wonder the same thing
[06:04] <Kevlar_Soul> CashValentine:  Did you even try the ubuntu forums
[06:04] <Kevlar_Soul> ?
[06:04] <CashValentine> Where do the gurus hang out?
[06:04] <Kevlar_Soul> Did you?
[06:04] <Toma-> my wireless signal strength keeps dropping... also, wpa-supplicant keeps crashing. im not even using WPA :o
[06:05] <CashValentine> Gentoo forums has real hard core gurus.
[06:05] <concept10> misfit_toy, yeah, nice to see you, good luck in the future
[06:05] <Toma-> CashValentine: whats the problem?
[06:05] <misfit_toy> concept10, and to you! what goes around comes around!
[06:05] <Kevlar_Soul> Thats why
[06:05] <CashValentine> Looks like it's amateur nite all the time here.
[06:05] <CashValentine> Toma-: If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help
[06:05] <Kevlar_Soul> His problem is he cant use the search feature in the ubuntu help forums
[06:06] <Kevlar_Soul> RTFM
[06:06] <Toma-> CashValentine: sounds like you need to switch some fstab options around
[06:06] <Toma-> CashValentine: btw, calling everyone amateurs will lead to an /ignore
[06:06] <pollyo> Hello
[06:07] <luke-jr_work> Toma-: 7.04 doesn't boot or install :(
[06:07] <CashValentine> Toma-: I thot the HAL stuff meant you dont need to fiddle with fstab for dvd mounting
[06:07] <pollyo> Any idea why my system would not use the NVIDIA accellerated graphics driver (legacy cards)?
[06:07] <CashValentine> Toma-: true?
[06:07] <xtknight> so the lowlatency kernel contains Ingo Molnar's realtime patches?
[06:07] <Toma-> CashValentine: have you got 'noauto' in fstab for your drives?
[06:07] <luke-jr_work> pollyo: they're illegal drivers
[06:07] <misfit_toy> pollyo, which card?
[06:07] <Toma-> xtknight: dont expect any desktop improvements from it
[06:07] <CashValentine> Toma-: I got nothing at all for the DVD
[06:08] <CashValentine> Toma-: the HAL backend picks it up
[06:08] <pollyo> misfit_toy: TNT 64  I'm somewhat sure it worked before.
[06:08] <xtknight> i know exactly what to expect ;)
[06:08] <Toma-> CashValentine: right. that doesnt seem right? can you pastebin your fstab?
[06:08] <pollyo> misfit_toy: I've been messing around with my configuration.  Poking around where I really do not have much of a clue.
[06:08] <concept10> xtknight, no all of them
[06:09] <Toma-> xtknight: and yeh, i think it does contain the patches. audio recording is quite remarkable with lowlatency
[06:09] <CashValentine> Toma-: hold on ...
[06:09] <concept10> *not
[06:09] <misfit_toy> pollyo, in a term type "glxinfo | grep OpenGL" without the quotes
[06:09] <xtknight> Toma-, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022755.html hrmm
[06:09] <xtknight> looks like it isnt realtime/tickless
[06:09] <xtknight> just 1000hz
[06:09] <CashValentine> Toma-:
[06:09] <pollyo> misfit_toy: That changed.  Before I got a response of OpenGL version 1.5 or something now I get something else.
[06:09] <CashValentine> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[06:09] <concept10> xtknight, its not the full patchset
[06:09] <CashValentine> #
[06:10] <xtknight> concept10, hrmm?
[06:10] <CashValentine> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[06:10] <Toma-> xtknight: its still a vast improvem,ent
[06:10] <CashValentine> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[06:10] <CashValentine> # /dev/sda4 -- root -- 46gb total capacity
[06:10] <CashValentine> UUID=1ad485eb-7512-4653-a1a3-657de6aa7bde / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback,noatime,auto,rw,
[06:10] <CashValentine> # /dev/sda2 -- swap
[06:10] <CashValentine> UUID=f3ca3f7d-9566-4789-9bad-0dcb86a4d249 none swap sw 0 0
[06:10] <CashValentine> # /dev/sda3 -- data sata drive -- 184GB -- movies -- mp3 -- downloads
[06:10] <CashValentine> UUID=e40c6d8d-422f-449a-8d95-63143c1ea149 /mnt/data ext3 users,data=writeback,noatime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,suid 0 0
[06:10] <CashValentine> Toma-: shit, that paste job is ugly. sorry
[06:10] <Toma-> !pastebin
[06:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:10] <misfit_toy> pollyo, my version of fixing this is rather extreme, but I will tell you how I did it.
[06:10] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Now I get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "0:0".
[06:11] <misfit_toy> pollyo, follow at your own risk, but I have done it over and over.
[06:11] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Ok
[06:11] <misfit_toy> pollyo, "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*"
[06:11] <Toma-> CashValentine: i did say pastebin didnt i?
[06:11] <misfit_toy> pollyo, then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" try that then reboot, it will take a while for both
[06:12] <CashValentine> Toma-: yep. you did. didn't know what that wuz.  amateur nite, remember.
[06:12] <CashValentine> Toma-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15169/
[06:12] <CashValentine> Toma-: is that it?
[06:12] <misfit_toy> pollyo, if the 2nd command there doesn't get you in, then "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*" again and then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy"
[06:12] <sonoftheclayr> if it's amatuer i'm outta here
[06:12] <Toma-> CashValentine: yeh thats it. what device is your dvd drive loaded as? (check with dmesg)
[06:13] <CashValentine> Toma-: HAL picks it up as /dev/scd0
[06:13] <CashValentine> Toma-: I'll mount it. hold on ...
[06:13] <misfit_toy> pollyo, make sure you see that * at the end of the commands there, very important.
[06:14] <pollyo> misfit_toy: I was reading somehwere that people have been able to run compiz or beryl with a card as old as mine.
[06:14] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Yes,  I took note.
[06:14] <misfit_toy> pollyo, I am
[06:14] <CashValentine> Toma-:
[06:14] <CashValentine> Toma-: /dev/scd0 on /media/ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000)
[06:14] <Toma-> CashValentine: youll need "/dev/scd0  /media/cdrom0  udf,iso9660,user,noauto  0  0" in fstab then
[06:14] <pollyo> misfit_toy: What card do you have?
[06:14] <misfit_toy> pollyo, go for it and let me know.
[06:14] <misfit_toy> pollyo, geforce4 440 go with only 32MB
[06:14] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Are you runing the accekerated drivers?
[06:15] <misfit_toy> pollyo, yes
[06:15] <CashValentine> Toma-: when I pop in the dvd, it gets mounted as --- /dev/scd0 on /media/ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000)
[06:15] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Do you know if my card is older then yours?
[06:15] <Toma-> CashValentine: what the heck is ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS?
[06:15] <misfit_toy> pollyo, is it an 8 year old laptop?
[06:15] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Wow.
[06:16] <CashValentine> Toma-: that's the title to the DVD -- an italian flick from the 60's
[06:16] <pollyo> misfit_toy: I'm installing the nvidia-glx now
[06:16] <Toma-> CashValentine: ok thats quirky
[06:16] <pollyo> misfit_toy: After this I will have to reboot right?
[06:16] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Do I have to do any type of reconfigure for the xserver at this time?
[06:17] <CashValentine> Toma-: the system treats the dvd drive like a thumbdrive deal --
[06:17] <misfit_toy> pollyo, before rebooting, it should install "restricted-drivers manager" which will be under "system", just check the box next to the nvidia drivers, then reboot.
[06:17] <Toma-> CashValentine: yeh, looks like its thinking all your stuff is on SCSI
[06:17] <CashValentine> I'll try hard coding like you said into fstab and see if that does it
[06:17] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Ok
[06:17] <Toma-> CashValentine: are you using beta? or one of the herds?
[06:17] <misfit_toy> pollyo, it depends, we'll have to see. every card is diff.
[06:17] <CashValentine> it's the latest feisty stuff on amd64
[06:18] <CashValentine> Toma-: it's the latest feisty stuff on amd64
[06:18] <Toma-> CashValentine: but, when you installed, was it beta or herd?
[06:18] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Ok.  I'm rebooting ....Be back in a few minutes if all goes well... If not then sudo apt-get remove nvidia*
[06:18] <misfit_toy> pollyo, make that "system/administration/restricted-drivers"
[06:18] <CashValentine> Toma-: upgrade from dapper
[06:18] <CashValentine> Toma-: don't know
[06:18] <pollyo> misfit_toy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:18] <misfit_toy> pollyo, yes, exactly
[06:19] <hidan> If I have 2 versions of ATI drivers installed, is it likely there will be system conflicts and lockups ?
[06:19] <CashValentine> Toma-: used the upgrade-manager with dapper
[06:19] <Toma-> CashValentine: right.
[06:20] <Toma-> CashValentine: youll need to make a dir cdrom0 in media if you add that fstab line
[06:20] <CashValentine> Toma-: where are all the dbus/hal default settings configured?
[06:20] <CashValentine> Toma-: I'll check this out and reboot with the drive in there, later, and thx
[06:21] <Toma-> CashValentine: probably best to steer clear of messing with hal and dbus
[06:24] <Toma-> !ping
[06:24] <ubotu> pong
[06:24] <clever[rev] > [Toma- PING reply] : 1235milisec
[06:24] <Toma-> ...
[06:26] <DanaG> One thing I notice:
[06:27] <DanaG> Edgy had a nice sample "eft-theme" for usplash, in the usplash-dev package.
[06:27] <DanaG> Feisty has no such "fawn" theme.
[06:27] <DanaG> s/such/equivalent/
[06:31] <Hobbsee> DanaG: too late to fix
[06:32] <DanaG> I don't need it in the repos; gnome-look.org would be fine.
[06:32] <DanaG> Besides, not many people know about that one.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023552.html
[06:33] <nomasteryoda|w> oh my god
[06:33] <Hobbsee> there.
[06:34] <nomasteryoda|w> finally knetworkmanager asks to always allow
[06:34] <misfit_toy> heheh
[06:34] <nomasteryoda|w> ... that has long been overdue
[06:34] <nomasteryoda|w> no mor asking for keys to my wallet
[06:34] <DanaG> should be Gaim -- caps.
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, and is release-critical hyphenated?
[06:35] <DanaG> Can anybody recommend a nice purple Gnome theme?  I like orange, but I want to try something different for a change.
[06:36] <DanaG> I like Gentoo's purple, but I don't want to RUN Gentoo.
[06:37] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Hello
[06:37] <mon^rch> what's a nice gui app for my webcam... to take pics, please?
[06:37] <pollyo> misfit_toy: Still no go on the drivers.
[06:38] <pollyo> mister_roboto: With these drivers am I supose to get a Nvidia splash screen like I once did?
[06:38] <joshua_> mon^rch, camorama
[06:38] <joshua_> (does not support YUV mode, though)
[06:38] <mon^rch> joshua_: tnku
[06:39] <mon^rch> what's YUV?
[06:39] <joshua_> if that doesn't do it, you may just be stuck with xawtv
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is there any way to implement LFE Crossover in ALSA?
[06:39] <joshua_> a pixel format
[06:39] <DanaG> There's also Kamera.
[06:39] <DanaG> !kamera
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kamera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <DanaG> !info kamer
[06:39] <DanaG> a
[06:39] <ubotu> Package kamer does not exist in feisty
[06:39] <DanaG> oopsie.
[06:39] <DanaG> !info kamera
[06:39] <ubotu> kamera: digital camera io_slave for Konqueror. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 91 kB, installed size 376 kB
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh, then that may not be the same.
[06:39] <joshua_> in particular, my r5u870 webcam built into my VAIO SZ does not work with camorama; works fine in xawtv
[06:40] <mon^rch> well my apt-get camorama seemed to work just fine... :/
[06:42] <mon^rch> omg! the picture is horrible!
[06:42] <fojod0i> what is feisty+1 ?
[06:42] <ajmorris_> anyone successfully installed Enigmail for Thunderbird? i found it on their site but for seamonkey and i am using just thunderbird so it won't install
[06:42] <mon^rch> another suggestion pls....
[06:45] <Hobbsee> DanaG: not sure
[06:46] <Hobbsee> chanserv is laggy today :(
[06:49] <hidan> yeowch RC ?
[06:49] <hidan> oh release candidate!
[06:50] <jml> I have a bug, and I'm not sure where to file it...
[06:50] <mon^rch> I don't suppose for some odd reason the RC would be different than my current install+all the updates, hmmm?
[06:51] <jml> I have a USB headset. I configure System / Preferences / Sound to send all sound out via 'USB Audio'. At this point, sound plays through my headset. If I unplug the headset, then plug it in again, all sound is played through my laptop speakers, not my headset.
[06:51] <jml> The settings in S / P / Sound now say "USB Audio (disconnected)".
[06:52] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: no, it wouldnt
[06:52] <jml> And I can change them to 'USB Audio'.
[06:52] <mon^rch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs
[06:52] <mon^rch> for a start...
[06:53] <mon^rch> Hobbsee: yeah, as I thought... I can be real gullible though :P
[06:53] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[06:53] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[06:53] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[06:53] <jml> mon^rch: do bugs get gardened from there to actual packages / upstream products?
[06:54] <mon^rch> jml: I'm not sure what you mean.... :/
[06:54] <mon^rch> "gardened"?
[06:54] <jml> mon^rch: 'moved'
[06:55] <mon^rch> I am sure the devs are checking things out regularly and doing their best :)
[06:55] <mon^rch> feisty sure is yummy though :)
[06:56] <mon^rch> feisty+1 ought to givw M$ a run for their money for sure!
[06:56] <watsbox> Hi, I just auto updated my Feisty packages and lost my wireless network manager in the upper right corner of the screen.
[06:57] <mon^rch> cos this is  a BEAUTIFUL THING.... EVEN ON A BOARD/CPU THATS 4 YEARS OLD
[06:57] <mon^rch> sorry caps
[06:57] <mon^rch> doh'
[06:57] <mon^rch> I'm pushing it to windows users...
[06:57] <mon^rch> :)
[06:58] <watsbox> I AM a winDoZE user!!! Running Ubuntu to investigate taking $$$ from Micro$oft...
[06:58] <aubade> Anyone know if they got most of the chinks worked out of parted since HERD5?
[06:59] <RAOF> jml: dpkg -S says that System->Preferences->Sound is in the package "gnome-control-center".  That's probably a good start for the bug filing.
[06:59] <os2mac> watsbox: is it similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/105352
[06:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 105352 in knetworkmanager "After recent update Knetworkmanager shows incorrect link status." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:59] <mon^rch> so far, I think windows rules by gaming, and the MOST popular apps/software is written for windows :)
[06:59] <mon^rch> I still like xp...
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> Anyone familiar with flash in firefox, please look at bug 105614
[07:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 105614 in firefox "[feisty]  Flash site only partially loads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105614
[07:00] <jml> RAOF: ok, thanks
[07:00] <DarkMageZ> mon^rch, windows wins due to active directory
[07:00] <mon^rch> as for functionality... omg linux rules
[07:00] <mon^rch> another plus
[07:01] <mon^rch> what are the linux equiv's?
[07:01] <DarkMageZ> openldap. but hardly anyone knows how to use it
[07:01] <DanaG> I wonder why the brightness-control fixes from .20 haven't been backported...
[07:02] <DanaG> One bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xorg-server/+bug/61746
[07:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 61746 in xorg-server "Xorg exits when it receives an ACPI button/lid event" [High,Needs info] 
[07:02] <mon^rch> what's an alternative to camorama? the picture quality is horrible
[07:02] <watsbox> os2mac: This says Knetworkmanager. is that the default ap in Gnome? The descripton looks similar... What happend is my Wireless Intel integrated in Laptop STILL works but the list of available networks dissappeared. It lists the Wired network component but not the wireless....
[07:03] <DanaG> and the related fix:
[07:03] <DanaG> http://www.ttuttle.net/blog/computers
[07:03] <mon^rch> and ohoh... is there an app that lets me use video as wallpaper?
[07:03] <DanaG> !xwinwrap
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xwinwrap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <DanaG> !info xwinwrap
[07:03] <ubotu> Package xwinwrap does not exist in feisty
[07:05] <watsbox> os2mac: ok. I have confirmed that the application that stopped working correctly is Networkmanager. The actual Network device appears to be working.
[07:06] <os2mac> I also just noticed this bug#105234
[07:06] <os2mac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234
[07:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:07] <os2mac> watsbox: Knetworkmanager is just a KDE frontend for network-manager
[07:07] <clever[rev] > Python Imaging Library 1.1.4 or higher is required to run Comix.
[07:07] <clever[rev] > what package is that in?
[07:08] <MugginsM> python-imaging  I think
[07:08] <mon^rch> where do I auto identify in "konversation"
[07:08] <clever[rev] > lol
[07:08] <clever[rev] > i was using grep image to find it
[07:09] <clever[rev] > searching for image wont find imaging
[07:09] <clever[rev] > and the depends on comix need fixing because it shouldnt be able to install without that:P
[07:10] <watsbox> os2mac: Looks very much like the problem. I am reviewing but am not sure how to use the listed patch...
[07:10] <watsbox> os2mac: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297631/patch_network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu6.patch
[07:11] <watsbox> os2mac: Since this has been reported, do you think that I should just Roll back the network manager and wait till this is repaired?
[07:11] <clever[rev] > thanks MugginsM it loads now:)
[07:11] <starz> sigh
[07:11] <starz> yeah im getting packet loss all over the place and inet is verrry unstable =/
[07:11] <os2mac> watsbox: I think that is a patch to the code for the network-manager app. it will have to be incorperated into a change in the app and then pushed to the repository.
[07:11] <starz> but i got beryl working nicely and autoloading ^_^
[07:11] <os2mac> watsbox: you can certainly try though I can't help you with the roll back as I have never done one through adept.
[07:12] <mon^rch> awesome speed... just awesome!
[07:12] <os2mac>  you can also just install Kwifimanager and use that in the meantime.
[07:12] <mon^rch> does it get any better?
[07:12] <watsbox> os2mac: Thanks, I will ask the UBUNTU General forum how to roll back... Good night...
[07:13] <mon^rch> anybody know a way I can use video as a desktop?
[07:13] <RAOF> xwinwrap, probably worth a google.
[07:14] <os2mac> Hobbsee: is there a way in adept to rollback to a previous version of a package?
[07:15] <DarkMageZ> os2mac, you can roll back the package to a previous version using synaptic. select the package and go force version. so long as the old version hasn't been removed from the repo. you're good to go
[07:15] <watsbox> os2mac: they just published an update to the networkmanager. I am installing now... standby please...
[07:17] <arshad> hi
[07:17] <arshad> would someone plz help me fix my sourcelist
[07:17] <os2mac> watsbox: where did you see that... it's not showing in the repositories
[07:18] <starscalling> watsbox whats this with the network manager?
[07:18] <arshad> when i try to run synaptic, it says something about deb not recognized
[07:18] <os2mac> DarkmageZ: is synaptic normally loaded to Kubuntu or is it just a ubuntu package
[07:18] <watsbox> os2mac: just showed in update manager while we were online. you may need to update your local repository data...
[07:19] <DarkMageZ> os2mac, tis a ubuntu package.
[07:19] <ibmubmweallbmfor> watsbox whats this with the network manager?
[07:19] <arshad> anyone, plz
[07:19] <os2mac> DarkMageZ: ahh thanks... I don't know if that functionality exists in Adept
[07:19] <ibmubmweallbmfor> arg
[07:19] <DanaG> har: The GeForce 6150, the previous Nvidious integrated graphics part integrated onto MCP61, doesn't support HDCP, so that means a respin. The integrated core will be dubbed the GeForce 7025 and 7050. Interestingly, we're pretty sure this is the first time Nvidia has ever used the '25' suffix to describe a product. Does it stand for '25 frames a second you must be joking'?
[07:20] <os2mac> watsbox: what version is the package?
[07:20] <ibmubmweallbmfor> its GOT to be networking out of wack as its losing inet every few minutes // ==>> seconds
[07:20] <ibmubmweallbmfor> any clue what packages i should be trying to downgrade or perhaps compile?
[07:21] <watsbox> the networkmanager stopped working on my ubuntu feisty load following update
[07:21] <os2mac> I am showing that I have .0.6.4-6ubuntu6 version of network manager and it's still broke.
[07:21] <watsbox> os2mac: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297631/patch_network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu6.patch
[07:21] <os2mac> already running that... still borked
[07:21] <watsbox> os2mac: oops.... wrong paste...
[07:21] <DanaG> http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38799   ---   If I had my druthers, I druther have set up LVM and a few other things during the install, but my point is that it really is simple. Accept the defaults, and it works.
[07:21] <DanaG> They don't say what distro.
[07:22] <ibmubmweallbmfor> watsbox your wireless or eth0 was broken?
[07:22] <arshad> no one is willing to help me
[07:22] <arshad> would someone plz help
[07:22] <watsbox> os2mac: my networkmanager I am downloading is 0.6.4-6ubuntu5
[07:23] <os2mac> that's an old version.
[07:23] <watsbox> ibmubmweallbmfor: wireless
[07:24] <crazy_bus> can anyone tell me more about multimedia support in kubuntu feisty.  As playing a mp3 in amarok didn't do anything and neither did playing videos install codecs
[07:24] <watsbox> os2mac: update manager is running right now. typing as fast as I can. Still a bit new to the environment... please standby... thanks
[07:24] <Aldante_Fax> Hello, I'm attempting to install Feisty x86 Desktop and the installation process seems to have stopped at Step 5 of 7 - I do not wish to migrate documents and settings however I cannot continue.
[07:25] <os2mac> watsbox: sorry.
[07:26] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: give it a bogus user name it wont find it and you may be able to continue
[07:26] <watsbox> os2mac: update completed. now running NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4 - performed a dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[07:26] <watsbox>  Problem still exists.. should I reboot?
[07:26] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: i thouht that frame has an escape to next
[07:26] <Aldante_Fax> jtt: That area of the screen is greyed out and I cannot type in things to it.
[07:27] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: hmmm
[07:27] <Aldante_Fax> I am stuck with a loading cursor. There was some hard drive activity initially however now there's nothing goin' on.
[07:27] <Aldante_Fax> That was about an hour or two ago.
[07:27] <RAOF> Aldante_Fax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/89821
[07:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 89821 in ubiquity "Crash during "Migrate Documents and Settings" prevents installation from proceeding" [Medium,Fix released] 
[07:28] <watsbox> os2mac: OOPS!! sent message to all... Question, should I reboot?
[07:28] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: how old is the cd you are installing from
[07:28] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: that but was fixed i believe
[07:28] <Aldante_Fax> jtt: I downloaded and burned the latest iso today
[07:28] <os2mac> watsbox: you can try or you can try just to restart x. I don't think it's a network-manager problem persay.
[07:29] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: iso from where  daily
[07:29] <os2mac> I think it's a GUI front end problem.... because my connection still works I just don't see the status.
[07:30] <watsbox> os2mac: I am beginning to think that you are right... My connection is working but i no longer get the pretty bars that show the different wireless networks and the configuration tools....
[07:30] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: where did you download the iso from
[07:31] <watsbox> os2mac: restarting window manager. will return shortly... Unless I totally messed up my laptop... ;-)
[07:31] <os2mac> watsbox: that is exactly what I am seeing on Kubuntu Fiesty... I can manipulate the connection from the command prompt just fine. just can't do it through the GUI
[07:31] <watsbox> os2mac: ok.. got your last post. restarting now... -W
[07:38] <watsbox> os2mac: I am back. things are the same...
[07:39] <Aldante_Fax> jtt: I got the iso from the ubuntu site, gimme a sec to pull up the mirror
[07:39] <os2mac> watsbox: I think they either have a bug in network-manager that is breaking the status reporting (this would explain why both the ubuntu and kubuntu versions aren't working) or the GUI's are broken.
[07:40] <os2mac> could be a lib thing as well.
[07:40] <os2mac> watsbox: but it is kinda funny that both GUI's are borked in the same manner.
[07:41] <Aldante_Fax> However! I've used the bypass listed in the link RAOF posted earlier, so all is well
[07:41] <watsbox> os2mac: Ok.. I am bushed and busted... I installed wifi-radar to get by. will check back tomorrow night.. thanks for the help....
[07:41] <watsbox> os2mac: borked? ;-)
[07:42] <watsbox> os2mac: well, guess we just got the definition of a pre-production load... ... g-night...
[07:43] <cjsoftuk> I think I found a bug!
[07:43] <os2mac> watsbox: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=borked
[07:44] <cjsoftuk> A serious one at that! - Network Manager shows my network connections as disconnected, despite me having full network access
[07:44] <os2mac> cjsoftuk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234
[07:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:45] <watsbox> cjsoftuk: we just went through this... os2mac and I agree... it is borked...
[07:45] <os2mac> :)
[07:45] <os2mac> watsbox: how'd you like the first definition?
[07:46] <watsbox> os2mac: rotflol ENTIRE FAMILY....
[07:46] <cjsoftuk> Update for network manager available!
[07:47] <watsbox> cjsoftuk: been there... done that... got t-shirt and hat... update did NOTHING...
[07:47] <os2mac> cjsoftuk if its 0.6.4-6ubuntu6 don't bother.
[07:47] <watsbox> cjsoftuk: loaded wifi-radar for the time being...
[07:47] <os2mac> or Kwifimanager if your a kubuntu user.
[07:48] <cjsoftuk> watsbox, os2mac: I wondered if you were going to say that
[07:48] <os2mac> going to say what?
[07:48] <os2mac> if the update didn
[07:48] <os2mac> didn't fix it?
[07:49] <cjsoftuk> os2mac: It was your "if it's 0.6.4...." comment
[07:49] <Toma-> my wireless/networkmanager keeps reportingthe signal is going from 1% to 91%
[07:49] <os2mac> I am just glad I am not the only one having the problem.. that way I am just waiting on someone else to fix a package (I am not a programmer, I am sysadmin)
[07:49] <os2mac> and a Solaris sysadmin at that.
[07:50] <watsbox> Toma-: at least yours still shows a connection. os2mac and cjsoftuk and watsbox are borked
[07:51] <os2mac> watsbox have you ever changed your google language to swedish chef?
[07:52] <os2mac> go to http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en and look at some of the interface language options.
[07:53] <watsbox> os2mac: my son liked the elmer fudd...
[07:53] <os2mac> bork, bork, bork
[07:53] <os2mac> elmer fudd
[07:53] <os2mac> pig latin
[07:54] <os2mac> hacker.
[07:54] <watsbox> os2mac: good night. got to earn a living with a buch of Micro$oft stuff in the am... I am just a lowly network design engineer... sigh..
[07:55] <os2mac> don't feel bad I am a Solaris Sysadmin on an I386 network.
[07:55] <setanta__> Hello after having made an update from edgy to feisty I got this error message during the boot: Mounting local filesystems... Mount: unknown file system type '0'    [fail]  after that the system boots but i cannot mount or unmount ntfs drives. Has any one got any idea about how to solve this?
[07:55] <os2mac> using Solaris 8 noless.
[07:56] <os2mac> I am out as well. it's 2am here.
[07:56] <watsbox> os2mac: my condolences... gnight. sync sync shutdown
[08:03] <DanaG> Ugh, we have a Solaris thin-client system
[08:03] <DanaG> with Sun's Java Desktop -- an ancient wannabe-Gnome.
[08:03] <DanaG> Oh, and it has Mozilla 1.7!  Not Seamonkey, real 1.7!
[08:06] <MugginsM> we just got rid of all our SunRays
[08:06] <MugginsM> nice concept, but Sun just can't seem to do Linux right
[08:06] <DanaG> Oh, and they have USB Ball mice.
[08:07] <DanaG> And the school replaced the decent Sun keyboards with crappy Dell anti-ergonomic (the ones with the HUGE spacebar) keyboards.
[08:07] <Toma-> looking glass is pretty fun
[08:07] <Toma-> the API is pretty horrid tho
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh, I wonder if Ubuntu-LTSP would work on SunRays.
[08:08] <MugginsM> unlikely
[08:08] <MugginsM> sunrays have their own very proprietary protocol
[08:08] <MugginsM> there is a sunray server that runs on Linux but we found it very buggy
[08:09] <DanaG> Damn.
[08:09] <MugginsM> at least it didn't work well with Ubuntu's GDM
[08:10] <DanaG> I wish at the very least they'd offer a non-ancient Gnome and a non-ancient Mozilla (FIREFOX!).
[08:10] <MugginsM> yeah
[08:10] <MugginsM> it's a nice idea, and the machines themselves are quite nice
[08:11] <MugginsM> makes for quiet, cool, labs
[08:11] <DanaG> gmm, http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/How_To_Section
[08:11] <DanaG> s/g/h/
[08:12] <emostar_> well lets see if feisty kde is more stable than the gnome
[08:13] <emostar_> irc wize
[08:16] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnSunRay
[08:29] <macogw> any ati users in here right now?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ulmolavender: it's a development release.  deal.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ie, bug fixes require uploads, yes
[08:37] <DarkMageZ> macogw, i am an ati user. sup?
[08:44] <shirish> guys anybody able to apt-get tracker?
[08:49] <macogw> DarkMageZ: my friend's computer has a Radeon 200m
[08:49] <macogw> he had beryl going with edgy, but it wont go on feisty
[08:50] <macogw> fglrxinfo says stuff about DRI and its all mesa stuff instead of ati stuff
[08:50] <macogw> and the image is really distorted so you cant actually read anything
[08:50] <shirish> macogw: do u know how I can install tracker?
[08:51] <macogw> i dont know what tracker is
[08:51] <Toma-> macogw: sounds like a drivers problem...
[08:51] <shirish> Toma-: do u know how I can install tracker instead of beagle for searching folders & stuff
[08:51] <Toma-> shirish: not a clue. i dont use search programs :D
[08:52] <shirish> ok cool, here is the web-page anyhow if somebody finds something more
[08:52] <Toma-> macogw: do you remember your xorg.conf options for the fglrx driver? in edgy?
[08:52] <shirish> http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/start.html
[08:53] <Toma-> shirish: and what doesnt it do?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.announce/263
[08:53] <macogw> Toma-: its not my computer, it's a friend's and he left already, but he did an upgrade, not fresh install so xorg.conf is exactly the same
[08:53] <dystopianray> gutsy gibbon?
[08:54] <macogw> yes, gutsy gibbon
[08:54] <macogw> and apparently a very Free Glossy Gnu to accompany it?
[08:54] <Toma-> gibbons fling poo at each other
[08:54] <dystopianray> can we get a default wallpaper with a gibbon on it?
[08:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: were you not talking about tracker yesterday, to use instead of beagle, I am unable to find it in universe
[08:55] <Hobbsee> shirish: i wasnt, no
[08:55] <Toma-> !info tracker
[08:55] <ubotu> tracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-4 (feisty), package size 231 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[08:55] <Toma-> ?
[08:55] <tgelter> I don't know much about the "find" command under bash, but I need to search for a line of text and I don't know where the file is or what it's called. How can I search for a specific string contained in some file (searching recursively) ?
[08:55] <bur[n] er_> shirish: sudo apt-get install tracker doesn't do it for you?
[08:56] <shirish> bur[n] er: nope it does not
[08:56] <Toma-> tgelter: you could probably pipe the results from 'locate' into find... not sure how tho
[08:56] <bur[n] er> shirish: it does here... it's in universe
[08:56] <RAOF> tgelter: Grep.  Grep is awesome.
[08:56] <RAOF> tgelter: grep -R "String To search for" /path/to/search/*
[08:56] <shirish> bur[n] er: I have universe ticked
[08:57] <bur[n] er> well, it's there
[08:57] <tgelter> RAOF: so that'll look inside text files eh?
[08:57] <tgelter> yep, worked like a charm
[08:57] <tgelter> thanks!
[08:57] <RAOF> tgelter: It'll look inside *all* files.  There's probably a way to get it to only look in text files.
[08:57] <shirish> bur[sudo apt-get install tracker
[08:57] <shirish> Reading package lists... Done
[08:57] <shirish> Building dependency tree
[08:57] <shirish> Reading state information... Done
[08:57] <shirish> Package tracker is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:57] <shirish> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:58] <shirish> is only available from another source
[08:58] <shirish> E: Package tracker has no installation candidate
[08:58] <shirish> sorry guys
[08:58] <Jucato> !pastebin | shirish
[08:58] <ubotu> shirish: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:58] <Toma-> awesome paste
[08:58] <Toma-> 6
[08:58] <bur[n] er> shirish: apt-get update?
[08:58] <shirish> I already did that this morning, to get my daily dose of updates
[08:58] <RAOF> !info tracker feisty
[08:58] <ubotu> tracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-4 (feisty), package size 231 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[08:58] <RAOF> So, it's really there :P
[08:59] <Gambaroni> Is the server for releases.ubuntu.com down?
[08:59] <bur[n] er> shirish: you can download hte .deb and install it manually.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/tracker
[09:00] <crdlb> Gambaroni, no
[09:00] <Hobbsee> macogw: shoulda let me tease them more :P
[09:00] <crdlb> works fine here
[09:00] <shirish> thanx hope there are no dependencies there
[09:01] <shirish> aha, perhaps its not their in my indian archives, from where I usually take stuff.
[09:01] <Gambaroni> crdlb ok, for me too now =/.. but for 1 minute it didn't and 12 hours ago
[09:01] <Gambaroni> also, from 12 hours ago until 1 minute.. it didn't work =/
[09:02] <coz_> who are the maintainers of the ubuntu repos for beryl ...anyone here ?
[09:03] <macogw> coz_: beryl's in universe
[09:03] <coz_> macogw, yeah are you one of the maintianters
[09:03] <macogw> no
[09:03] <coz_> macogw, do you know who is?
[09:04] <macogw> oh nvm i thought you were asking about beryl-project.org repos being out of date
[09:04] <RAOF> racarr, onestone certainly touch those packages.
[09:04] <macogw> but i'm a really bad psychic
[09:04] <RAOF> coz_: But what do you want to ask the maintainers about?
[09:04] <coz_> macogw   well   in a way yes but actually  I have many people in #beryl rquesting several plugins that have been missing in ALL the repos but the debian reop
[09:05] <coz_> these plugin have beenmissing for over three weeks now
[09:05] <Jucato> coz_: try #ubuntu-effects
[09:06] <coz_> Jucato, ok let give tha tone a try thanks
[09:06] <RAOF> coz_: Those plugins are (almost certainly) not going to hit the Universe Beryl packages.
[09:07] <coz_> RAOF, why is that
[09:08] <macogw> RAOF: probably cuz feisty's in feature freeze
[09:08] <RAOF> coz_: Becasue Feisty is being released *next week*.
[09:08] <coz_> RAOF, but these are also missing in ALL the repos not just feisty's
[09:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no almost about.
[09:08] <Hobbsee> it
[09:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yes, but they're testing RC's now.  nothing not release-critical wont get in
[09:09] <coz_> there is NO repo other than debians tha have these pluging  notjust feisty
[09:09] <macogw> coz_: beryl's not in any ubuntu repos except feisty's, unless that's a recent change
[09:09] <RAOF> coz_: Well... Ok.  But why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1 then?
[09:10] <RAOF> Or, in fact, why don't you pacakge it yourself?
[09:11] <coz_> RAOF, well i have tried emailing the maintainers of some of the repos at the gudance of the berl devs since it woudl be the responisibility of the maintainters rto package these plugins but so far no response so I thought i would just go int most of the relevant channels to see if any maintainer was around
[09:11] <RAOF> It's also entirely possible that people are waiting for the merge to get settled down.
[09:12] <coz_> sorry about that
[09:12] <crazy_bus> nvidia-glx-config enable isn't working for me I get this error.  What do you recommend I do? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15182/
[09:12] <Gambaroni> Can I run ubuntu from a USB stick?
[09:12] <RAOF> crazy_bus: I recommend you use the "Restricted manager".  System->Administration->Resricted manager
[09:13] <coz_> RAOF, well there are people who use beryl still and these plugins all of a sudden three weeks ago have beenmissing so waiting for the merge is not a good reason to pull a plugin that has been in use for some time
[09:13] <crazy_bus> I'm using kubuntu.  Is there still a Restricted manager?
[09:14] <Jucato> nope
[09:14] <RAOF> crazy_bus: No, sadly.  What nvidia card do you have, anyway?  It's possible that "sudo nvidia-xconfig" will work.
[09:14] <Jucato> speaking of which, I had problems with that earlier...
[09:16] <crazy_bus> I have a intergrated geforce2.  I installed the legacy drivers from add remove programs
[09:17] <RAOF> Ah.  Well, you should be able to just go "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and replace the "nv" with "nvidia" to get the card to work.
[09:18] <crazy_bus> I don't know if this is the place to ask but I've being wondering for a long time.  How come you can tab words in the terminal after sudo but not after kdesu
[09:19] <crazy_bus> I updated xorg.  I'll restart now and see if it works.  Thanks for your help
[09:19] <MugginsM> /etc/bash_completion has instructions for tab completion. it probably knows about sudo but not kdesu
[09:20] <shirish> bur[n] er: u still here?
[09:20] <MugginsM> ah yep, search for "root_command" in it, it has sudo listed but not kdesu
[09:21] <shirish> guys anybody using tracker?
[09:22] <pollyo> Hello
[09:22] <shirish> see u guys l8ter
[09:22] <pollyo> What is the difference between a generic kernel and say a 386 kernel?
[09:22] <binskipy2u> well ubuntu 7. looks really nice , i d/l and ran it live the other day
[09:22] <binskipy2u> not bad at all
[09:23] <Jucato> !generic | pollyo
[09:23] <ubotu> pollyo: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[09:23] <RAOF> Man, I should check out ubotu's factlet lest more often.
[09:23] <Jucato> "factlet lest"?
[09:23] <pollyo> Jucato: Does that page tell you how to determine the best one for your system?
[09:24] <Jucato> yeah I think so. short answer: the -generic is the best (and the others are no longer made)
[09:24] <RAOF> :)  "Factlets" more often :)
[09:25] <pollyo> Anyone have suggestions on how to get restricted video drivers working?
[09:25] <pollyo> Or a webstie that I could look at on the topic
[09:26] <Jucato> !nvidia
[09:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:26] <Jucato> that site? ^^^
[09:26] <crazy_bus> I changed nv to nvidia in kate and it might have worked.  But the command glxgears still gives me this error like it did with nv: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".    Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:27] <pollyo> Jucato: Ok.  Thanks again!
[09:33] <crazy_bus> does anyone know how to get the nvidia working with 3d again?
[09:34] <RAOF> crazy_bus: Oh, sorry.  What does your xorg.conf look like now (pastebin it)
[09:35] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15185/
[09:36] <binskipy2u> does ubuntu, beryl like ati cards?
[09:36] <binskipy2u> or is it like pulling teeth to get it running stable and smooth?
[09:38] <dwa> binskipy2u: i have an ati card with the open source drivers and it runs perfectly
[09:38] <binskipy2u> ok..
[09:38] <binskipy2u> < ati 9250 128mb 8x agp
[09:38] <dwa> i don't know about the closed source drivers though
[09:38] <dwa> i have a radeon mobility 7500
[09:38] <jussi01> is RC out yet?
[09:39] <Fujitsu> jussi01: I'm sure the topic will be changed when it is.
[09:39] <Toma-> (yes its out)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> release annoucement hasnt been made yet
[09:40] <Hobbsee> testing candidates are there though
[09:40] <Toma-> ahh.
[09:40] <RAOF> crazy_bus: Hm.  That looks OK.  How about pastbinning /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[09:41] <Toma-> use /topic blah
[09:41] <jussi01> Toma-, thanks
[09:42] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15188/
[09:43] <Andruk> ive been using feisty for awhile now, and after the last few updates, i havent been able to successfully login.  gdm asks for my un and pw, shows a (normal) brownish screen, then crashes back to the login screen.  help?
[09:44] <RAOF> crazy_bus: AH!  "(EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension"
[09:44] <Toma-> Andruk: put your ~/.xsession-errors file on pastebin and ill take a look at it
[09:44] <dystopianray> RAOF: are you using the nvidia-legacy driver?
[09:44] <RAOF> crazy_bus: Welcome to the wonderful world of old drivers.  You can either enable GLX with composite (and get annying artifacts), or you can disable Composite.
[09:44] <RAOF> dystopianray: No, but crazy_bus is :)
[09:45] <dystopianray> ah
[09:45] <Andruk> Toma: might take awhile...im not on that comp...ill have to type it all out...do my best.
[09:45] <Toma-> Andruk: ermmm dont do that. just look for errors in it
[09:45] <RAOF> To disable composite you want to edit xorg.conf and add "Section "Extension"<enter><tab>Option "Composite" "Disable"<enter>EndSection"
[09:46] <crazy_bus> I used the normal nvidia drivers in edgy.  Am I correct in switching to legacy with feisty?
[09:47] <Andruk> Toma: thanks, theres a few different errors, but the most common one is "Can't open display `:0`"...should i take a peek at xorg.conf and see if theres a problem there?
[09:47] <dystopianray> crazy_bus: what card do you have?
[09:47] <crazy_bus> intergrated geforce2 either the fx or mx I cant remember
[09:47] <Toma-> Andruk: looks like youve tried to run X as root?
[09:48] <RAOF> crazy_bus: It's a Geforce 2, right?  I'm pretty sure that the 9xxx series of drivers *don't* support geforce2 cards.
[09:48] <Toma-> they dont even support gd4
[09:48] <Andruk> i have, from the terminal: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"...i didnt think i could do it without sudo...
[09:48] <Toma-> *gf4
[09:49] <RAOF> Toma-: 96xx series do, and that's what nvidia-glx is now.
[09:49] <RAOF> Toma-: 97xx is nvidia-glx-new :)
[09:49] <Toma-> rightio
[09:49] <Toma-> i gtg
[09:49] <Toma-> sorry folks
[09:49] <Andruk> thanks Toma
[09:51] <dystopianray> RAOF: so feisty has 96xx as the nvidia module and 97xx as nvidia-new?
[09:52] <crazy_bus> I pasted this into my xorg Section "Extension"<enter><tab>Option "Composite" "Disable"<enter>EndSection  ..  Will that fix my problem.  And what will disabling Composite do to my computer?
[09:52] <RAOF> dystopianray: Yes, indeed.
[09:52] <RAOF> crazy_bus: Oh, I hope you didn't paste that verbatim.  The <enter> was ment to be replaced by a new line, and the <tab> by a tab key :)
[09:52] <RAOF> crazy_bus: And what it will do is disable transparency, pretty much.
[09:54] <crazy_bus> will that effect any opengl programs?
[09:54] <Gambaroni> If I install Ubuntu Feisty Fawn today, will it be possible to update to final release next week then?
[09:55] <RAOF> Gambaroni: Yes.
[09:55] <crdlb> Gambaroni, yes
[09:55] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: if you wait the feisty release candidate should be out soon
[09:55] <RAOF> crazy_bus: No.  Well, it will, because it will mean that you can *run* OpenGL programs :)
[09:55] <crdlb> the feisty rc is out I think
[09:55] <Gambaroni> dystopianray why wait then? =)
[09:55] <dystopianray> Gambaroni: so you can use the feisty release candidate instead of the beta
[09:56] <RAOF> crazy_bus: But it won't effect transparency in opengl programs.  Pretty much it will just mean you can't use Compiz or Beryl without extra work.
[09:56] <acuster> are java programs based on eclipse espcially slow for anyone else with the current x?
[09:56] <Gambaroni> i will use the RC anyway next week.. the difference would be that i use the BETA one week?
[09:56] <Gambaroni> Would it be nice to update, just use packagemanager?
[09:58] <Gambaroni> How do I do to run the desktop cd from an USB stick? just copy the files?
[09:59] <Andruk> when i login to gdm, it crashes back to the login screen.  any suggestions?
[10:06] <Andruk> hello?
[10:07] <xipietotec> I have the weirdest bug ever...
[10:07] <xipietotec> bug 105681
[10:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 105681 in mplayer "Mplayer will not load at all after upgrading to Feisty" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105681
[10:08] <wolke> hi
[10:08] <wolke> how can i install virtualbox?
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: i think that is a duplicate
[10:09] <wolke> when i try to install the edgy package from their website, there are quite a few unsolved dependencies
[10:09] <Jucato> wb Admiral_Chicago
[10:10] <xipietotec> Admiral_Chicago: duplicate bug? I submitted it...I poked around for a bit, but the weird thing is, running ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep libdirect says I'm associated with  libdirectfb .25....but when I actually run mplayer it says "cannot load libdirectfb.24"
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> thanj you Jucato
[10:10] <xipietotec> and I've *purged* the damn thing and reinstalled it
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: give me a sec
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> its a dependency issue, i'll tag it along the proper lines
[10:11] <LoneShadow> any known issues for upgrading from xubuntu edgy to feisty ?
[10:11] <xipietotec> thankya Admiral_Chicago =)
[10:13] <Gambaroni> How do I do to run the desktop cd from an USB stick? just copy the files?
[10:13] <zeroflag> the annoyance of grub, my linux kernel and nvidia drivers has no end.
[10:14] <xipietotec> Gambaroni: oh I wish it were that easy
[10:14] <xipietotec> no you have to format it with boot sectors and crap like that
[10:15] <xipietotec> http://www.pendrivelinux.com I think it is?
[10:15] <wolke> has anyone installed virtualbox on feisty?
[10:16] <Gambaroni> xipietotec ok.. ty anyway =), i think i skip that ;)
[10:16] <Andruk> after the past few feisty updates, when i try to login to gdm, it just crashes back to the login screen...anyhelp out there?
[10:16] <Gambaroni> xipietotec i thought bios handles usb and cd same :O
[10:16] <xipietotec> Andruk: have you tried using failsafe gnome?
[10:16] <Andruk> Gambaroni: I have heard of people taking Ubuntu around on Live CDs and using their flash drives for the stuff they want to keep
[10:17] <fenrig> hi
[10:17] <fenrig> major problems
[10:17] <Andruk> xipietotec: i did...it worked, but i didnt know what to fix, ill get back into it
[10:17] <Gambaroni> Andruk huh?
[10:18] <fenrig> when fsck runs
[10:18] <fenrig> it gets a major error
[10:18] <xipietotec> Andruk: did you change any of your startup services?
[10:18] <fenrig> and want to go in maintenance mode
[10:18] <Andruk> xipietotec: no, not that i know of...
[10:18] <fenrig> and i try everything that i knew
[10:18] <fenrig> im now in the livecd
[10:18] <fenrig> help me
[10:19] <xipietotec> I had a problem after a batch of upgrades with the same thing happening, then I logged into failsafe-gnome and did another batch of upgrades....and it took forever to load...but eventually loaded just fine, it was reloading everything I had opened when it crashed last
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: i'm looking at the latest source, maybe I can build a patch
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> or find the bug at the very least
[10:19] <Andruk> Gambaroni: they restart the campus computers and boot into Ubuntu using a Live CD, then when theyre done, they save everything to a flash drive and reboot the machine, which goes back to windows
[10:19] <xipietotec> Admiral_Chicago: w00t! :D
[10:19] <Andruk> xipietotec: okay, ill try it
[10:19] <Gambaroni> Andruk and then you can boot from the usb stick?
[10:20] <fenrig> :(
[10:20] <xipietotec> Gambaroni: no, they use the USB stick for storage and just use the live-cd's for running things.
[10:20] <Andruk> Gambaroni: no, but it allows you to be mobile with 'buntu instead of windoooz
[10:21] <fenrig> please
[10:21] <fenrig> i have to stop begging
[10:21] <fenrig> and maybe go back to my first distro ever
[10:21] <fenrig> maybe
[10:21] <fenrig> can somedy help
[10:22] <xipietotec> fenrig: tell me you did not just update to feisty by using dist-upgrade?
[10:22] <fenrig> nopte
[10:22] <fenrig> nope
[10:22] <Andruk> xipietotec: yeah, failsafe-gnome didnt work
[10:22] <Gambaroni> andrew ok
[10:22] <fenrig> i installed feisty on a new partition
[10:22] <fenrig> using live cd
[10:23] <fenrig> and im using feisty for a month or something
[10:23] <fenrig> and 2weeks feisty of kubuntu
[10:23] <xipietotec> fenrig: okay, and what's the fsck error?
[10:23] <fenrig> actually i dont know
[10:24] <fenrig> i presume it cant fix anything so it goes in maintenance mode
[10:24] <xipietotec> use the live cd, change your splash to verbose, and then copy down the fsck error
[10:24] <zeroflag> can anybody tell me what the nvidia-glx-new package contains?
[10:24] <fenrig> huh
[10:25] <fenrig> sorry but can u explain that to me again???
[10:25] <Andruk> xipietotec: anything else?  failsafe-gnome didnt work...
[10:25] <ropiku> Any ideas on how to grub-install ? After chroot /dev/sda doesn't exist
[10:26] <xipietotec> if you use the live cd, you can mount your feisty partition, chroot into it, and inspect it, for instance, you can edit your splash page to display a list of everything it's doing, (verbose mode) which should tell you what the fsck error is
[10:26] <zeroflag> ropiku: /dev/sda is a physical sata hdd?
[10:26] <ropiku> yes
[10:27] <zeroflag> ropiku: and you chrooted into it?
[10:27] <fenrig> what is chroot
[10:27] <ropiku> mounted as /mnt/sda3 and mounted it (sda3 is my /)
[10:27] <fenrig> i am sorry i am using linux for half a year i now some commands but i never heard of chroot
[10:27] <ropiku> someone said MarkFeathers: ropiku: If you need /dev/ in a chroot, you need to bind it "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /pathtochroot/dev", and "sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /pathtochroot/proc/"
[10:28] <xipietotec> fenrig: a command to root into a mounted file system
[10:28] <zeroflag> ropiku: try df -a
[10:28] <fenrig> okay
[10:28] <ropiku> on chroot ? on live cd it shows my partitions
[10:28] <xipietotec> and exactly what ropiku said, that'll give you root and proc, which means you can do updates and read and write off the system
[10:29] <zeroflag> fenrig: it basicly puts / whereever you tell it to. if you have a proper linux installation there, you can take controll over it.
[10:29] <ropiku> what this does "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /pathtochroot/dev" ? someone said
[10:29] <zeroflag> ropiku: on chroot, yes.
[10:30] <fenrig> okay i mounted the whole thing to ~/sda2
[10:30] <fenrig> so i mounted /dev/sda2 to ~/sda2
[10:30] <fenrig> what now???
[10:30] <zeroflag> ropiku: it binds your live's /dev folder to the chroot's. I wouldn't do that.
[10:31] <zeroflag> fenrig: the chroot tells you that / is on sda2?
[10:31] <ropiku> it's weird, df shows that /dev/sda2 is mounted as /. but /dev/sda2 doesn't exists (this is on chroot)
[10:31] <zeroflag> indeed, funny.
[10:31] <zeroflag> hold on, let me think.
[10:32] <ropiku> and /boot shows ok
[10:32] <fenrig> zeroflag: nothing tells me that, i just know that /dev/sda2 is my / on the computer(not on the livecd)
[10:32] <ropiku> grub > root (hd0,0)  "selected disk does not exist"
[10:32] <fenrig> but now im stuk i dont know what to do
[10:32] <zeroflag> ropiku: hmm, right. I had to do something similar to that -o bind.
[10:33] <zeroflag> ropiku: as the man said: mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev
[10:33] <zeroflag> ropiku: from livecd, with /chroot being wherever you want chroot to be.
[10:34] <ropiku> now sda exist
[10:34] <ropiku> but
[10:34] <zeroflag> fenrig: then you're probably wrong. but why are you following instructions that are meant for ropiku?
[10:34] <ropiku> "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"
[10:34] <zeroflag> ropiku: you have to copy it.
[10:34] <zeroflag> ropiku: x86 or x64?
[10:34] <ropiku> x86
[10:35] <zeroflag> ropiku: then it should be in /lib/grub somewhere on live.
[10:35] <fenrig> cause xipietopec or something told me to do this
[10:35] <zeroflag> ropiku: try locate stage1
[10:35] <fenrig> i mean not to follow what u say but
[10:35] <fenrig> ah just take a look back
[10:36] <ropiku> zeroflag: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 ok?
[10:36] <zeroflag> ropiku: you have to copy stage1, stage2 and the stage files for your / and /boot (if it's a partition) partitions to /boot/grub (in the chroot)
[10:36] <zeroflag> ropiku: sounds about right.
[10:36] <Chetwin> Okay, all of a sudden today my volume controls on the outside of my laptop started only adjusting the pcm volume.  It use to operate the master.  Any ideas on how to fix this???
[10:36] <ropiku> zeroflag: I have an ext3 sda3 for all my /
[10:37] <zeroflag> ropiku: should be e3fs_stage1_5 or something.
[10:37] <fenrig> can somebody please help me
[10:37] <fenrig> ??
[10:37] <zeroflag> ropiku: copying everything from that folder is usually a safe bet. :P
[10:37] <zeroflag> fenrig: with what?
[10:38] <fenrig> zeroflag: with my fsck error
[10:38] <zeroflag> I only started using ubuntu 3 days ago about restating the issue might get you more answers. :P
[10:39] <fenrig> :(
[10:40] <CarinArr> ropiku: what are you actually trying to do?
[10:40] <zeroflag> fenrig: post the question again. I don't know your problem.
[10:40] <ropiku> CarinArr: I want to reinstall my grub
[10:40] <CarinArr> ropiku: why?
[10:41] <ropiku> ropiku: Because I installed other OS that rewrote the MBR
[10:41] <CarinArr> not being funny just checking;)
[10:41] <CarinArr> okay
[10:41] <CarinArr> then do:
[10:41] <ropiku> ok ;)
[10:41] <CarinArr> hang on you using live cd?
[10:41] <ropiku> yes
[10:41] <CarinArr> right
[10:41] <ropiku> can't boot into ubuntu
[10:41] <CarinArr> open terminal
[10:41] <CarinArr> do sudo grub
[10:42] <ropiku> i tried grub-install in chroot but didn't work
[10:42] <CarinArr> and in the grub prompt, type find /boot/grub/stage1
[10:42] <ropiku> (hd0,2)
[10:42] <CarinArr> right
[10:42] <ropiku> that's right, my / is sda3
[10:42] <CarinArr> then type root (hd0,2)
[10:43] <ropiku> works
[10:43] <ropiku> and setup ?
[10:43] <CarinArr> okay then
[10:43] <CarinArr> setup (hd0)
[10:43] <ropiku> it says ok ;)
[10:43] <CarinArr> then quit
[10:43] <CarinArr> and try to reboot
[10:43] <ropiku> ok, thank you
[10:43] <ropiku> hope it works ;)
[10:43] <CarinArr> welcome, fingers crossed:)
[10:44] <crazy_bus> I enabled composite in xorg like you said.  But after rebooting X wouldn't load and I was left at a black screen where I could type but nothing else would happen.  I had to delete the composite part in xorg just to load kubuntu again.  What should I do?
[10:44] <zeroflag> CarinArr: can you help me too? I forgot how to recompile my nvidia drivers and I don't know what nvidia-glx-new contains. :P
[10:45] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: any X errors when starting?
[10:46] <crazy_bus> I dont see any messages.  Just the splash.  The splash bar loads nearly to the top then disappears then it appears empty.  Then it dissapears leaving me on a blank empty screen
[10:46] <fenrig> well when i boot ubuntu checks for errors on to the root filesystem and i guess it gets one major error, so it goes in maintenance mode and it asks for the root pasword and i give it, then it says that i doesnt has apt and it prompts me to do apt-get install apt (were is the AI) then it goes into root terminal and i can go into my terminal but then i cant do anything but when im in my terminal i see that apt is indeed installed i can even use
[10:48] <fenrig> crazy_bus: if u can get into ur parition then search for /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look if u have to change things that arent right and chane ur driver in the section device to vesa
[10:48] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: nvidia drivers?
[10:48] <fenrig> and try again
[10:48] <fenrig> zeroflag: i have told u my problem
[10:48] <EmxBA> check this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15193/
[10:48] <EmxBA>  EOF during value of field `Package' (missing final newline)
[10:48] <crazy_bus> yes.  Nvidia legacy drivers
[10:48] <fenrig> zeroflagl: can u help me
[10:48] <zeroflag> fenrig: now I can at least tell you that I have no idea. :P
[10:49] <fenrig> :(
[10:49] <zeroflag> fenrig: sure that your bootloader is set up properly? that you don't boot in recovery?
[10:49] <CarinArr> zeroflag: uhm.. why dont you try just installing nvidia-glx-new?
[10:49] <zeroflag> crazy_bus try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: hang on
[10:50] <CarinArr> before you do that
[10:50] <fenrig> zeroflag:  does booting in recovery help me and yees i dont boot into recovery
[10:50] <EmxBA> I can't install or do anything related to packages :)
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: check your /var/log/Xorg.O.log
[10:50] <zeroflag> fenrig: well, that explains why you don't get into gnome/kde. :P
[10:50] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: that should give you a better idea of what the problem is
[10:51] <zeroflag> hold on, that does NOT explain it.
[10:51] <crazy_bus> I already posted my Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf here before.  After seeing them I was told to enable composite.  But doing so didnt work
[10:51] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: can you paste me the links for those posts?
[10:51] <zeroflag> what is composite supposed to do?
[10:52] <zeroflag> *_#^YDHFSJSDAKWJERHDARGL
[10:53] <CarinArr> ?
[10:53] <crazy_bus> sorry.  It was an hour ago in this channel.  And I've restarted since them so konversation doesnt have a log.  I'll look in my history for the pastebins
[10:53] <zeroflag> "Unless your chipset is explicitely listed in the nvidia-glx-new description..." from the nvidia-glx-new description...
[10:53] <zeroflag> ARGH
[10:53] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15185/
[10:53] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15188/
[10:54] <CarinArr> okay will have a look
[10:54] <CarinArr> zero, what card do you have
[10:54] <zeroflag> 8800 GTS.
[10:55] <zeroflag> hold on, there are chips listed in the descriptin...
[10:55] <zeroflag> of the cards which DON'T need it. >_<
[10:55] <zeroflag> "older GeForce"
[10:55] <CarinArr> zeroflag: you should use the new
[10:55] <zeroflag> very specific!
[10:56] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: right, let's see
[10:56] <zeroflag> CarinArr: I just hope it's compatible with my X module because everything before -new was utterly useless.
[10:57] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: do you have: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" in your xorg.conf?
[10:58] <CarinArr> i.e. is that what you added earlier?
[10:58] <crazy_bus> I think it was false
[10:59] <CarinArr> try adding it just after your default depth in the screen section
[10:59] <CarinArr> with true rather than false
[11:00] <zeroflag> CarinArr: isn't nvidia-glx-new supposed to upgrade my kernel? O_o
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> zeroflag: no
[11:01] <zeroflag> >_<
[11:01] <zeroflag> what DOES upgrade my kernel?
[11:01] <CarinArr> a kernel upgrade..
[11:01] <crazy_bus> the reason that started changing composite was this error with glxgears not working::    Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".     Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:01] <zeroflag> CarinArr: as module-assistant does?
[11:02] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: yes, but your error in your Xorg.0.log says that it can't load glx because of composite
[11:02] <CarinArr> so allowing them both at once might solve the problem
[11:03] <CarinArr> also, if you don't have a wacom, you might want to comment out the wacom sections in your xorg.conf, there's no point in them throwing up errors every time you start xorg
[11:04] <zeroflag> enough is enough. I'll use the nvidia package...
[11:06] <bh> networking is kind of broken on my system as of the last upgrade
[11:06] <rj_> Where would ubuntu load it's firmware from ? there is not /usr/hotplug/firmware in feisty
[11:06] <CarinArr> oh dear.. i just did that upgrade but haven't rebooted;)
[11:06] <bh> there seems to be an interaction problem with the gnome network applet and ifconfig/dhclient/ifup and friends
[11:06] <rj_> (i'm compiling my own custom ipw2200 + injection)
[11:06] <CarinArr> but there was a libnm update
[11:08] <slackern> quick question, is the sensors package still the standard way of reading temperatures, i remembered reading somewhere quite some time ago about some other project but i might be wrong.
[11:10] <crazy_bus> how do you find what your default depth is in kubuntu?
[11:10] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: it should be in your xorg.conf
[11:11] <crazy_bus> do I tab Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" so its in line with the with the Default depth line?
[11:11] <CarinArr> well you can do for neatness but i don't think it makes a difference
[11:11] <CarinArr> is your default depth 24?
[11:11] <crazy_bus> yes
[11:12] <CarinArr> actually it is in your pasted xorg.conf so i'm assuming so:)
[11:12] <crazy_bus> I've pasted it in.  Should I restart and see if it works now?
[11:13] <richb> crazy_bus: xdpyinfo will tell you also.
[11:15] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: yeah try restarting the x server
[11:19] <CarinArr> busfahrer: a google search gives you like thousands of results for that
[11:19] <CarinArr> er wrong window:)
[11:19] <busfahrer> CarinArr: it's OK ;-)
[11:19] <CarinArr> lol
[11:20] <CarinArr> now that's handy
[11:20] <CarinArr> in both channels
[11:20] <crazy_bus> thank you so much.  It works now.  Although I still get a freeze after restarting x then logging on
[11:21] <AlexC_> Oh so the RC is out! nice :P
[11:22] <dystopianray> AlexC_: no, only an RC candidate
[11:22] <AlexC_> Release Candidate candidate?
[11:22] <dystopianray> basically
[11:22] <otix> Did the Gnome Network applet (nm-applet) break for anyone else with yesterday's update?
[11:22] <AlexC_> dystopianray: whats the point in that :P
[11:23] <dystopianray> AlexC_: it's nothing official, it's just a snapshot that is being tested and may possibly become the RC release
[11:23] <AlexC_> dystopianray: I see ... is it worth me getting that, or waiting until the RC?
[11:23] <AlexC_> I guess any updates from this RCC willbring me to RC and then to Final
[11:23] <dystopianray> AlexC_: I'd wait till the RC, although there may be no changes
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexC_: RC is today
[11:24] <AlexC_> Admiral_Chicago: yeah I know :P it's what I'm hunting for ... any estimation as to when it's released?
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea, i expect to be asleep by then
[11:24] <AlexC_> lol
[11:25] <rj_> anyone got ipw2200 with injection working??
[11:25] <frying_fish> injection?
[11:25] <dystopianray> rj_: you patched the ipw2200 for packet injection support?
[11:25] <rj_> packet injection while in monitor mode
[11:26] <rj_> dystopianray, trying but can't compile ipw2200 (iee80211 source) causes it to error
[11:26] <dystopianray> rj_: what patch are you using?
[11:26] <dystopianray> rj_: doesn't it compile without the patch?
[11:27] <bh> networking is completely wacked out in fiesty
[11:27] <rj_> no it dosnt compile without the patch
[11:27] <bh> dhclient doesn't work as expected
[11:27] <rj_> dystopianray,  hang on, i will get ipw and injection patch versions
[11:27] <dystopianray> rj_: where did you get the patch from?
[11:28] <rj_> dystopianray, hang on
[11:29] <bh> wtf ?
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.3-inject.patch               prism54-svn-20050724.patch
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.4                            rtl8180-0.21v2.patch
[11:29] <rj_> ipw2200-1.1.4-inject.patch
[11:30] <rj_> dystopianray, there in the aircrack-ng svn checkout
[11:30] <CarinArr> AAAAAAAASFLKJAGLK was testing something with my nvidia driver to see if i could help, and managed to crash it
[11:30] <CarinArr> \o/
[11:30] <dystopianray> rj_: ok, well what error are you getting when you try to compile?
[11:30] <CarinArr> anyhow, back to business
[11:30] <dystopianray> bh: what is the problem exactly?
[11:31] <rj_> dystopianray, after placing iee80211 source in /usr/src
[11:31] <rj_> and running the make command on ipw2200 driver
[11:32] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: when you say it hangs, does it freeze the computer completely or can you still open a terminal using ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3 whatever
[11:32] <rj_> mkdir -p /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions
[11:32] <rj_> cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions
[11:32] <rj_> cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4
[11:32] <rj_> cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers': No such file or directory
[11:32] <rj_> make: [modules]  Error 1 (ignored)
[11:32] <rj_> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/build M=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4 MODVERDIR=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions modules
[11:32] <rj_> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic'
[11:32] <rj_>   CC [M]   /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.o
[11:32] <rj_> /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.c: In function ipw_led_link_
[11:32] <rj_> oh crap
[11:32] <CarinArr> aaack
[11:32] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[11:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <rj_> ya, sorry. didnt mean to post that
[11:32] <CarinArr> heh
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: what does apt-cache rdepends mplayer tell you
[11:34] <crazy_bus> I froze the mouse and everything that was loading.  It didnt try cntrl+alt+f1 or anything else
[11:34] <xipietotec> Admiral_Chicago: http://rafb.net/p/X1C9PC95.html
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec
[11:35] <jack_deltrino> Will Opera be available in the repositories for feisty?
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: sorry i meant apt-cache show mplayer
[11:35] <CarinArr> crazy_bus: if it happens again, try it and see if you can get into a terminal so you can view the Xorg.0.log
[11:36] <otix> What's up with the networking after the last update?
[11:36] <CarinArr> i thought opera was commercial?
[11:36] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Is that a problem?
[11:36] <crazy_bus> unfortunaly when it froze ktorrent was loading.  So now ktorrent uses 100%cpu when loading and wont stop until you get to a terminal and killall it
[11:36] <xipietotec> http://rafb.net/p/KNBkDF71.html Admiral_Chicago
[11:37] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: yeah.. a lot of the time that's the reason why apps don't end up in the repositories
[11:37] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Since when has this started happening? It's in deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main (just pulled that from a working setup)
[11:38] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: that's not an official ubuntu repository though
[11:38] <CarinArr> you'll likely find it in ubuntu repositories, just not the official ones
[11:39] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: The reason behind that being...?
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> xipietotec: will you email all that to me, i'm dead tired. its 4.30 am here
[11:39] <xipietotec> certainly, notice me your email =)
[11:40] <pollyo> Hello
[11:40] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: i think it's part it goes against ubuntu's general philosophy, part copyright issues
[11:40] <pollyo> Looking for somone who might have a suggesting as to how I might be able to recover my system.
[11:41] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: But canonical is the parent company is it not? (I might not have the wording down pat, but you know what I mean)
[11:41] <zeroflag> great...
[11:41] <Aldante_Fax> Is there anything regarding installing Azureus on feisty?
[11:41] <zeroflag> the only thing that really works for installing nvidia drivers is my script! \o/
[11:41] <otix> Aldante_Fax: the version from the repo works great for me
[11:41] <pollyo> Is there any way to reinstall the base feisty system? (in this case kubuntu) if you messed up your configuration?
[11:42] <zeroflag> envy fails, apt/synaptic fails, packages fail, nvidia script fails...
[11:42] <zeroflag> just ridiculous.
[11:42] <pollyo> Some way from the live CD and without having to destroy your home directory?
[11:42] <crazy_bus> how do I free dpkg without a reboot.  I cant use it or apt because I get this error dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[11:43] <otix> pollyo: is your home directory in the root filesystem?
[11:43] <jack_deltrino> crazy_bus: Wait for apt-get and/or dpkg then?
[11:43] <zeroflag> crazy_bus: kill the running apt/dpkg process.
[11:43] <pollyo> otix: I have everything on one partition.
[11:43] <CarinArr> jack_deltrino: well, i'm not 100% sure about opera as such.. i just know a lot of the times commercial apps don't end up in the official repositories, some patented stuff doesn't, weird ly copyrighted things don't.. and then there're legislation issues in some countries and ubuntu doesn't want to differentiate between releases for different countries
[11:43] <pollyo> otix: Except the swap.
[11:43] <jack_deltrino> CarinArr: Makes sense.
[11:43] <crazy_bus> I have nothing open that used dpkg.
[11:44] <zeroflag> pollyo: delete everything and run debootstrap. :P
[11:44] <bh> This totally doesn't respect the /etc/networking/interfaces file
[11:44] <otix> pollyo: it is better if you put /home on a separate partition.  if you can't do that, be sure to have a good backup.
[11:44] <bh> why does dhclient and ifdown/ifup do something totally different with the network interfaces ?
[11:44] <jack_deltrino> otix: I went over this with pollyo in another channel. I think he really just wants a direct answer to his question.
[11:44] <CarinArr> you'll find the same with stuff like the w32codecs, skype etc
[11:44] <pollyo> otix: Do you know how I can delte everything but my home directory?  Then resize the partition easily?
[11:45] <otix> bh: I am also seeing weirdness with the little Network panel applet
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I'm 30 days into using linux.
[11:45] <CarinArr> bh: dhclient is just for dhcp
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yes, you told me this already...?
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I need a little hand holding if possible.
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yeah, I know, that's what I was telling otix. Others were giving you workarounds.
[11:45] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I'll be the first to admit I made some dumb choices here.
[11:45] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Some of which were clearly useless and irrelevant to what you said.
[11:46] <CarinArr> bh: normally dhclient is invoked as part of ifup if you use dhcp, but other stuff is done "before" so to speak
[11:46] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I apologize if I am getting snappy. I am not in any position to get that way.
[11:46] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Nor do I wish to be that way.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I don't think you realize what I was doing. I understand your frustation and I was trying to tell people to just answer your question instead of providing workarounds. I can't be any clearer than that.
[11:47] <cypherdelic> OMFG IMHO if you call this what i recently got from your update server, MORE or LESS stable and this will be your FINAL im OFF ubuntu!!
[11:47] <bh> otix, yeah, there's been a bug report filed against it and I've tried to remove that applet, what is the package call just to verify that I removed it ?
[11:47] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Yes.  Thank you.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> cypherdelic: Threats don't really solves anything.
[11:47] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: leave then.
[11:47] <jack_deltrino> solve even.
[11:47] <cypherdelic> come on
[11:47] <bh> CarinArr, it's totally wacked out. it's getting a dhcp response from an interface that doesn't exist
[11:47] <otix> bh: I'm trying to find a bug on launchpad.  no luck yet
[11:47] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: that wasn't really a constructive way to start a conversation;)
[11:48] <pollyo> I have a few questions.  Can qtparted easily resize ext3 paritions?
[11:48] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Yes im sorry, im having a bad day
[11:48] <CarinArr> bh: !pastebin
[11:48] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yes. That's something I expect you, even if you're new to get flamed for ;)
[11:48] <cypherdelic> and lots of annoying bugs
[11:48] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: That's on available on Google.
[11:48] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: then report them ...
[11:48] <bh> CarinArr,  eh ?
[11:48] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: <grin> Ok
[11:48] <CarinArr> bh: sorry.. lazy way of asking to see whatever you get;)
[11:49] <bh> paste it where ?
[11:49] <cypherdelic> AlexC_ where? do you wanna listen?
[11:49] <AlexC_> !launchpad
[11:49] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[11:49] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: If I had a backup I woulnd't be concerned with getting verification from the community.
[11:49] <bh> !pastebin
[11:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:49] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: what are the actual problems?
[11:49] <cypherdelic> AlexC_ i need to register, i dont like that ;)
[11:49] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: do you like anything today? :P
[11:49] <CarinArr> pollyo: how much stuff do you need to back up?
[11:49] <pollyo> 2. Is there an easy way to delete everything on the partition BUT the home directory?
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I don't blame you. Although, if you were using BSD, you'd get in the habit of making tons of partitions.
[11:50] <pollyo> CarinArr: 70Gig
[11:50] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic: no my girlfriends going crazy already
[11:50] <CarinArr> pollyo: ouch.. and no secondary storage available?
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: On a qtparted level, as far as I know, no.
[11:50] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: The files could be laid out any which way in the filesystem, you never know.
[11:50] <SpAc> Just got up and running on Feisty, it's working great so far
[11:50] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: the gnome shutdown panel applet doesnt work right for me
[11:50] <pollyo> I have the partition mounted now from the liveCD
[11:50] <bh> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15197/
[11:50] <pollyo> I can delete stuff from the terminal.
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Beryl is buggy
[11:51] <bh> that's completely out there
[11:51] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: However, if you're able to tar all that up and dump to network storage somehow ... or somewhere else because I remember you saying something about network issues... then that's pretty much the only way.
[11:51] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: how did you install beryl? and how is it buggy?
[11:51] <CarinArr> can't comment on the gnome stuff, i'm using kubuntu
[11:51] <bh> this touchy networking stuff has been going on for a while and it's getting progressively worse
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: i installed herd3 and updated through
[11:51] <SpAc> my only concern is, considering the beta was released not that long ago, why is there 342MB worth of updates?
[11:51] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: I was thinking along the lines of doing some recursive file deleting.
[11:51] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: To all the directories on the drive.
[11:51] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: Beryl through Feisty Repos
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Not touching the home
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Then resizing the parition.
[11:52] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Then creating a parition for the system and one for home
[11:52] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: The bugs are redrawing problems, tried the options to avoid this issues, they didnt help
[11:53] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: I'm not sure what that would achieve though. The filesystem could start /home/pollyo/file1.txt at the thirteenth sector and the last bit of information could be stored way at the end.
[11:53] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: i haven't had any beryl issues at all.. i'm using the beryl-project repositories for my beryl though
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: OpenGL Apps showing a black screen if there are bigger then somehow 300x300 pixel
[11:53] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: /home/pollyo is not going to auto adjust based on how many files and directories it has around it.
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: I cant find any beryl repositories for feisty
[11:53] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: After I delete everything else I could tar it
[11:53] <otix> pollo: can you get another small disk to use as the new root?  even 10 GB would be enough
[11:53] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: They say its in the ubuntu repo
[11:54] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: Wouldn't that move it all to one file?
[11:54] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: Yeah, but you'd have to have /home/pollyo x 2 the amount of space.
[11:54] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: If I were you, I'd burn all my data to DVDs.
[11:54] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: make sure you have universe repo enabled
[11:54] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 used that installation using nvidia
[11:55] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: it is already installed
[11:55] <jack_deltrino> pollyo: You're not really in a good position and I'm sure you realize that. So when you see any options, no matter how much bitch work it involves, go for them.
[11:55] <cypherdelic> which to choose
[11:55] <cypherdelic> XGL nvidia AIGLX
[11:55] <AlexC_> AIGLX for nVidia,
[11:55] <jack_deltrino> Anyway, 3 am, I must go to sleep.
[11:55] <CarinArr> uhm.. why aiglx?
[11:56] <cypherdelic> currently im with nvidia (AIGLX) dont know if its now nvidia or either aiglx
[11:56] <jack_deltrino> Goodnight. Hope you get your problems resolved pollyo.
[11:56] <pollyo> jack_deltrino: You mentioned you generally make many paritions in BSD.
[11:56] <cypherdelic> but listen current state perfororms bad
[11:56] <CarinArr> i thought aiglx was indirect, and normally used on older cards
[11:56] <pollyo> How do you generally lay out the space on a drive in linux?
[11:56] <AlexC_> CarinArr: well you can run XGL on nVidia ... though XGL is more of a hack than a proper Xorg module
[11:56] <AlexC_> AIGLX is a proper module built into Xorg,
[11:57] <AlexC_> and nVidia supports it ... while ATI/AMD dont, as their drivers suck
[11:57] <CarinArr> which is described as "accelerated indirect glx"?
[11:57] <cypherdelic> but my VSync performs shitty
[11:57] <otix> pollo: On a basic system, you really just need to separate / and /home.  Your task will be hard to accomplish without some extra storage:  bunch of DVDs, external USB hard disk, etc.
[11:57] <cypherdelic> Carin what would you take if you were me? nvidia 7600 go 128mb 128bit
[11:58] <CarinArr> AlexC_: not disputing what you're saying.. just keep hearing one thing or other
[11:58] <AlexC_> cypherdelic: go with AIGLX,
[11:58] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: AlexC_ might know more than me, but i have the same graphics card (tho 512mb), and glx works fine for me
[11:58] <cypherdelic> AlexC_: im currently with nvidia (aiglx)
[11:58] <cypherdelic> it sucks
[11:58] <AlexC_> do you have the binary drivers installed?
[11:59] <cypherdelic> i installed nvidia-glx from repo
[11:59] <cypherdelic> and beryl and extra packages from unviersal repo
[11:59] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: have you seen the glx-new package? you'll probably want to use that with your graphics card rather than -glx
[11:59] <cypherdelic> uhm no?
[12:00] <CarinArr> think it just appeared the other day
[12:00] <cypherdelic> "glx-new"???
[12:00] <CarinArr> nvidia-glx-new
[12:00] <AlexC_> you could try XGL if you wanted, there is no harm in trying
[12:00] <cypherdelic> why does nobody ... arghs :D
[12:00] <cypherdelic> you make me happy
[12:00] <pollyo> It seems like there should be an easy way to just have the installation rewrite the base installation files without touching anything else.
[12:01] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: im installing now the new one
[12:01] <CarinArr> pollyo: problem is most people use a different partition for their /home
[12:01] <pollyo> Its not the life file system has trouble.
[12:01] <CarinArr> so it's not really seen as "needed"
[12:01] <cypherdelic> CarinArr: do i have to change anything else? xorg.conf?
[12:02] <CarinArr> cypherdelic: if they were configured properly before i don't think so, you might want to make sure you remove the nvidia-glx package completely before you install the new one though
[12:02] <otix> pollyo: you should still split out /home so you don't have these issues in the future.
[12:02] <CarinArr> not sure if it's an issue now but nvidia conflicts between different drivers are exteremely annoying
[12:02] <AlexC_> shall I get Beta, or latest daily? I really want RC but it's not out yet :P cant wait any longer
[12:03] <pollyo> CarinArr: If I did an apt-get update and had the system simply download the packages couldnt I have it write the packages to the hard drive and reboot fromt he drive and force the installation of the packages from a specific directory?
[12:03] <pollyo> otix:  Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. <grin>
[12:03] <CarinArr> pollyo: eerrr. that just confused me i'm afraid
[12:04] <CarinArr> pollyo: if you go back to the start, what is the actual problem with your system>
[12:04] <otix> pollyo:  I just don't want to see your /home data get clobbered
[12:04] <AlexC_> pollyo: why not just backup?
[12:04] <CarinArr> AlexC_: ack.. heh.. he has 70 gig of data and only one harddrive with one partition
[12:05] <pollyo> CarinArr: I screwed up my video drivers and my network drivers.  I also somehow went from generic, to latency , to i386
[12:05] <CarinArr> pollyo: the video drivers shouldn't be a problem
[12:05] <AlexC_> pollyo: buy another cheap hard drive? you can get 360gb drives for 50 these days!
[12:06] <CarinArr> pollyo: and hwen you boot up do you get a choice of all those kernels? cause you can have several kernels installed in parallel without it being aproblem
[12:06] <pollyo> AlexC_: I have been putting off the purchase of a newdrive.
[12:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Yes.
[12:06] <billy> greetings feisty fans.
[12:06] <CarinArr> pollyo: are you currently booted into any of them?
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: Though I was reading something about the installation of the restricted driver and how they could mess up the system if you mix them with the wrong version of the kernel.
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: I'm on the LiveCD
[12:07] <pollyo> CarinArr: Do they each have the same startup information?
[12:07] <CarinArr> pollyo: okay, what happens if you boot into the -generic (assuming that was the one installed by default)
[12:08] <pollyo> CarinArr: I tried one of them and I do not get video.
[12:08] <CarinArr> pollyo: what graphics card ar eyou using?
[12:08] <pollyo> CarinArr: I think I deleted the restricted drivers. (they must also include some network stuff)
[12:09] <pollyo> CarinArr: nvidia tnt2
[12:09] <CarinArr> and when you say you get no video do you mean that it gives you an error message or does it just not start
[12:09] <CarinArr> i.e. does it try to start the x server at all and it crashes, or does it not even attempt it
[12:09] <CarinArr> we might be able to fix it without a complete reinstall
[12:10] <pollyo> CarinArr: I believe it attempts it.
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: If I could at least get the network working again.
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: Do you know if the restricted drivers have network drivers in the package?
[12:11] <pollyo> CarinArr: I have wireless network on the computer
[12:11] <CarinArr> okay.. then if you could do this: reboot into your -generic, if the gui crashes, when you're back in a terminal, try "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and comment out the Load "glx" line, and change the line that says Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"
[12:12] <CarinArr> that has nothing to do with your network, but should let you get back into a gui which will make working on the network easier for you
[12:12] <SpAc> My other drives used to appear as icons on the desktop. Just did a fresh feisty install and they are not there. They do appear under /media/ though
[12:12] <SebSebSeb> Can  I  upgrade  from  Dapper to  Feisty  Fawn  straight  away  when it has been released,  without having  to do  Edgy  first?
[12:13] <pollyo> CarinArr: I think I removed nv dirvers.
[12:13] <billy> SebSebSeb: no.  you have to go through them.
[12:13] <billy> through Edgy, that is.
[12:13] <CarinArr> pollyo: will you try it?
[12:13] <pollyo> CarinArr: Sure.
[12:13] <CarinArr> as far as i know the nv drivers aren't that easy to remove, whereas the nvidia ones are
[12:14] <pollyo> CarinArr: What is the package name for the nv drivers though?
[12:14] <SebSebSeb> well  I  will  be installing on another guys  comp  when it's out you see probably,  and already  got offical  Dapper  CDs.
[12:14] <pollyo> nv?
[12:14] <SebSebSeb> so  I thought either install that and upgrade that,  or  download a  Feisty  CD
[12:15] <SebSebSeb> I  just  read it's  meant to be coming out on the 19th?  any chance of the  17th?  or 18th?
[12:15] <CarinArr> pollyo: i think they're part of xorg, but i'm not sure, let's not worry about them yet;)
[12:15] <SpAc> is there somewhere i have to go to get my other hdd's to appear on the desktop?
[12:15] <billy> SebSebSeb: "the week of" the 19th.
[12:16] <billy> !topic
[12:16] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[12:16] <pollyo> CarinArr: Ok
[12:16] <billy> oops.
[12:16] <SebSebSeb> billy:  so it  could  come  out before the 19th?
[12:16] <billy> SebSebSeb: possibly, but typically when language like that is used, it's to give the developers as much time as possible, so I'd expect it that Satuday.
[12:16] <jussi01> !feisty
[12:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[12:17] <SebSebSeb> I  see
[12:18] <billy> SebSebSeb: they say that a clean install is always the best, but I don't know.  My edgy upgrade has been pretty seemless, except for a couple of bumps.
[12:18] <pollyo> CarinArr: Ok.  I'm going to give it a try.
[12:18] <pollyo> Be back in a few.
[12:18] <SebSebSeb> well  it's  not even  on his comp  yet.  Ubuntu.  so  either  install and upgrade  Dapper  or download  a Feisty  ISO  and  install that
[12:19] <SebSebSeb> well I assume the offical  CD's  forFeisty will be a while
[12:19] <SebSebSeb> and  then the time it takes to come as well
[12:20] <billy> SebSebSeb: I take it this person has limited/no/slow internet access?
[12:20] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: i'd probably download Feisty Beta, it's going to be very easy to upgrade that to full feisty, whereas upgrading Dapper to Feisty can cause all sorts of problems
[12:20] <SebSebSeb> yeah  I was  thinking  the same  download  Fesity Beta  and install that,  or just  wait for the offical  relase,  then  come  back  and put it on.  if he truely is ready  to go Ubuntu.  I left  him  Dapper  Ubuntu  and Kubuntu  Live CD
[12:21] <SebSebSeb> 's  yesterday to  play with and that
[12:21] <SebSebSeb> and  nope he has broadband
[12:21] <billy> SebSebSeb: then check out the nightly builds and just upgrade from there.  That's easy enough.
[12:22] <billy> !daily
[12:22] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:22] <billy> SebSebSeb: only alternates available though.
[12:23] <SebSebSeb> as  for me my  old  PC  that I was running  Ubuntu  Edgy  on  has screwed up again.  old  thing 128MB  RAM  noissy.  no  3D  stuff for me  on that PC.  anyway  it's  time for me to  get  a new one really.  want  something  that will  run  Beryl  in Fesity  :)  and  so on.  uhmmmmmm   even  Vista  hummmmmmm   with  3D  stuff and what not.  yeah Ultimate or Home Premium.  yes  Vista  yuck. ...
[12:23] <SebSebSeb> ...well  I want to help  people with there comps you see and get paid for,  and  a load of  people  will be going  Vista.  so  might as well get used to it now.  and yes  I know  it's rather buggy at  the moment
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> yes  and new  PC  want to be able to  run 3D  games and so on,  but  that's  pretty much  standard I guess now,  PC's  that  can  run 3D  games
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> any advice?
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> and  I am in UK
[12:24] <SebSebSeb> England
[12:25] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: i doubt feisty release will be much different from current feisty, not really enough time for major rehauls i wouldn't think
[12:25] <SebSebSeb> yes  I know  beta and the offical  relase will be similar
[12:25] <billy> SebSebSeb: from what I understand, Beryl runs fine for folks with like ten dollar nvidia cards.  you don't have to have a souped up comp to run Beryl.
[12:26] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: anything remotely decent is fine.. but i'd get an nvidia card, for linux support.. and probably a 6000 series or higher, they're pretty cheap now
[12:26] <SebSebSeb> don't really  know that much  about hardware,  so  6000  series?
[12:27] <CarinArr> well nvidia geforce cards have model numbers like 5500, 5700, 6600, 6800, 7600 etc
[12:27] <CarinArr> anything above 6000 should be more than enough
[12:27] <SebSebSeb> oh  right I see the card itself
[12:27] <CarinArr> i'm still using a 5500 on he desktop which works fine, but if i bought a new machine now i'd get a slightly higher specced one
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> Beryl  ok,  but  what  about  Vista,  and 3D  games, I assume so?  with a decant enough new graphics card
[12:28] <CarinArr> most desktops spec what video card they have, so it's someting to keep an eye open for
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> same  here really
[12:28] <CarinArr> came preinstalled on my laptop;)
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> ,but
[12:28] <SebSebSeb> like I said above
[12:28] <billy> Vista talk is in #crapola.
[12:28] <CarinArr> yeah i know.. problem is vista is pretty damn heavy
[12:29] <SebSebSeb> lol  really  a crapola channel?
[12:29] <billy> SebSebSeb: yeah man.  they were asking about you. :)
[12:29] <CarinArr> but yeah, i think a 6000+ nvidia card should manage nvidia
[12:29] <CarinArr> er vista
[12:29] <zeroflag> could someone take a look at this script, whether it makes sense or could be useful? http://pastebin.ca/436093 (installs newest NVIDIA drivers)
[12:29] <DarkMageZ> there's nothing wrong with vista cept how they messed up minesweeper...
[12:29] <SebSebSeb> and  the card  does all the 3D  stuff anyway?
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> what  about  RAM?  and  harddisks are like 160GB or so now?
[12:30] <billy> DarkMageZ: yeah.  i was pretty mad about that too.
[12:30] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: dell machines are pretty good for the price in the uk, and they allow you to choose nvidia cards and tell you whether stuff will run vista, so i'd probaby go dell
[12:30] <billy> SebSebSeb: go with DDR2 ram, a Gig of it if you can.
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> Dell well they  are going to start pre installing Linux  :)  it seems
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> since  they want to become number one PC  seller again
[12:30] <SebSebSeb> HP  took 1st  place
[12:30] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: however, if you go with dell, don't overspend on ram/harddrive as you can easily extend it a LOT cheaper than dell will sell that to you
[12:31] <billy> SebSebSeb: I didn't know jack about hardware two months ago, and I built my own computer from shell up.
[12:31] <SebSebSeb> well I got two 40GB's  or so hard disks in the screwed up PC  that seem to work  fine still
[12:31] <billy> SebSebSeb: it's not hard at all.
[12:31] <CarinArr> go for a decent cpu, and a decent graphics card, then plug in extra ram and harddrive separately, makes much more sense
[12:31] <SebSebSeb> well  my  Dad knows quite a bit about hardware,  he should teach me really
[12:31] <zeroflag> noone interested? :/
[12:32] <SebSebSeb> you  mean make a PC?
[12:32] <zeroflag> am I the only one who's too stupid to make nvidia work with packages? :P
[12:32] <SebSebSeb> what's a decant prosser/cpu  for  Feisty and Visduh?
[12:32] <zeroflag> anything?
[12:33] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: yeah anything over 6000 should be fine for 3d stuff, unless you're really hardcore and demand more speed.. it might be worth going with 256mb graphics memory at least though
[12:33] <billy> SebSebSeb:  Intel Core Duo.
[12:33] <void^> zeroflag: i suggest autodetecting gdm/kdm for convenience ;)
[12:33] <zeroflag> core2duo are monsters and expensive, little athlon or semperon does the trick just fine.
[12:33] <zeroflag> void^: no idea how to do that properly.
[12:33] <CarinArr> o.O
[12:33] <CarinArr> core 2 duos aren't that pricey now
[12:34] <zeroflag> well, my 3600+X2 EE was 60 euro, core2duo is above 100euro and that's "pricey" in my book.
[12:34] <SebSebSeb> a  her hummmmmmm,  not  many  hers  in Ubuntu channel  normally I guess?
[12:34] <zeroflag> DAMN it!
[12:34] <zeroflag> gotta fly.
[12:34] <zeroflag> too late already,.
[12:34] <billy> yeah, the core duo's are dropping now that the quad core and hexa cores are out and spreading.
[12:34] <CarinArr> heh
[12:35] <void^> zeroflag: something dirty but probably reliable might be like ps aux | grep kdm | grep -v grep && if [ "$?" -eq "0" ]  ; then wm=kdm ; fi
[12:35] <CarinArr> SebSebSeb: you could probably spec http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_e520?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1 up to what you want without spending too much money
[12:36] <SebSebSeb> ok
[12:38] <CarinArr> but i'd really go nvidia if you're going to run ubuntu on it
[12:38] <SebSebSeb> Home  Premium or  Vista  hummmmmmm
[12:38] <SebSebSeb> yeah  Nividia  they say has best Linux  suppourt
[12:38] <CarinArr> i know people get ati working, but the number of people complaining about it being fiddly and annoying
[12:40] <CarinArr> anyhow
[12:40] <CarinArr> going shopping
[12:40] <kal_> where can we get desktop version of 20070411 cd build ?
[12:40] <kal_> for testing RC ;)
[12:41] <kal_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070411/
[12:41] <kal_> here is just the alternate version
[12:42] <kal_> ok i got it
[12:42] <kal_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[12:43] <billy> kal_: i don't think they made LiveCD daily's.
[12:43] <kal_> yes they did, check the link ;)
[12:44] <crdlb> they just did recently leading up to the rc
[12:44] <kal_> im currently downloading it
[12:44] <billy> All I see is the alternate.  I must be blind.
[12:44] <kal_> crdlb: did you notice any bugs ?
[12:44] <crdlb> works great
[12:44] <kal_> billy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[12:45] <billy> kal_: cool.  thanks for the link.  :)
[12:45] <crdlb> I did a fresh install over dapper
[12:45] <kal_> crdlb: im having a problem with the alternate build of one week ago. When I launch apps from gnome panel, it is pretty slow. But i when i launch them from gnome-menu, its perfect
[12:45] <kal_> :/
[12:46] <crdlb> kal_, you mean it takes a while for them to open?
[12:46] <kal_> i saw that there was a bug with libx11 but i made all the latest updates so... maybe a specific problem to my hardware
[12:46] <kal_> yes
[12:46] <kal_> it takes 5 seconds
[12:46] <billy> is there a way I can log into certain rooms automatically using XChat-Gnome?
[12:46] <kal_> whereas when i launch them from gnome menu it takes 1 second
[12:46] <crdlb> I'm not seeing that
[12:47] <kal_> :/
[12:47] <kal_> billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...
[12:47] <crdlb> billy, I think so, but why not just use xchat?
[12:47] <kal_> ah he's using xchat-gnome
[12:47] <kal_> use xchat :>
[12:48] <billy> crdlb: I don't know why.  No reason.
[12:48] <Gambaroni> How do I show the apt error in another language?
[12:49] <billy> ok.  what was that again?
 billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...
[12:50] <crdlb> Gambaroni, try: LANG=C sudo apt-get whatever
[12:51] <kal_> crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will show error in default language : english
[12:51] <Gambaroni> crdlb thenwhat is it for english?
[12:51] <kal_> maybe he sould use LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 if he's french, or something like that...
[12:52] <crdlb> I think LANG=C always gives you english
[12:52] <billy> crdlb, separated by commas?
[12:52] <crdlb> billy, in xchat yes
[12:52] <kal_> yes crdlb
[12:52] <kal_> * crdlb (n=crdlb@pool-70-104-182-161.norf.east.verizon.net) a quitt #ubuntu+1 ("Ex-Chat")
 crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will s
[12:52] <kal_> how error in english*
[12:52] <billy> crdlb, cool.  thX
[12:53] <Aldante_Fax> Question: Is there a way to automatically mount volumes at startup?
[12:53] <crdlb> billy, no spaces though
[12:53] <billy> ew
[12:53] <jussi01> Aldante_Fax, fstab
[12:53] <billy> crdlb, good looking out.
[12:54] <kal_> i'm wondering if there will have any change in RC live CD from 20070411 live CD...
[12:54] <crdlb> that is the RC I think
[12:54] <spikeb> it's the RC for the RC
[12:55] <kal_> lol spikeb
[12:55] <billy> so if I created a separate /home partition, I'd have all of my program configurations, I'd just have to redownload the program themselves, right?
[12:56] <spikeb> that's the theory, but it doesn't always work that way.
[12:56] <kal_> yes
[12:56] <billy> spikeb, any way to get the chances better?
[12:56] <kal_> if you install a more recent version of the program, then maybe the configuration syntax has changed and there will be some problems
[12:57] <kal_> that's why i just keep my real personnal data but delete program configurations
[12:57] <kal_> if i format
[12:59] <AlexC_> RC out yet? :P
[01:00] <kal_> nop AlexC_
[01:00] <AlexC_> =(
[01:01] <AlexC_> how about now?
[01:01] <crazy_bus> Its not much of a problem but its still annoying.  When I move kaffeine while playing a video theres blue coloured when the screen used to be which disappears after a second.  This happened with edgy using the open source nv drivers but dissapered when I install the nvidia binaries.  However in feisty when I installed the binaries I still have the problem.  When is this?  Is it because I have composite enabled?
[01:03] <Gambaroni> crdlb the package netkit-inetd has no installation candidate
[01:03] <billy> !daily-live
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daily-live - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <crdlb> !info netkit-inetd feisty
[01:04] <ubotu> netkit-inetd: The Internet Superserver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-10.3ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 152 kB
[01:04] <Gambaroni> crdlb huh?
[01:05] <crdlb> Gambaroni, it seems it's in universe
[01:05] <crdlb> you should have it, try an apt-get update
[01:05] <pollyo> CarinArr: Hello
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: I have the vesa driver working.
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Still no wireless network but moved the computer into another room and have a wired connection.
[01:06] <pollyo> CarinArr: Thank you for the help.
[01:08] <rj_> ieee80211 dosnt work on feisty
[01:08] <rj_> :(
[01:08] <voidmage> lol gutsy gibbon
[01:09] <AlexC_> I read it as Gusty Gibbon to start with ... only just found out it GuTsy Gibbon
[01:11] <jim__> OK was anyone watching a while ago when I was having the conversation about NetworkManager?
[01:12] <os2mac> well for the record ... it's simply a matter of backing up your interfaces file and letting networkmanager rebuild it for you.
[01:13] <otix>  os2mac: are you talking about the bug in yesterday's update?
[01:14] <os2mac> yes. the bug that caused the display problem
[01:14] <os2mac>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105234
[01:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:14] <matthew_> Hmm
[01:14] <matthew_> Is the RC out?
[01:15] <matthew_> Topic says it needs testing... I'd love to, but can't find it...
[01:15] <os2mac> otix: did you get that?
[01:15] <otix> loading
[01:16] <otix> os2mac: ok, I found an older bug where people are also reporting the same thing
[01:17] <matthew_> !daily
[01:17] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:17] <os2mac> matthew: do they have dist upgrade repositories for RC yet?
[01:18] <Gambaroni> crdlb i'm not running feisty..
[01:19] <matthew_> Surely the RC is the latest development release, and therefore the only repositories are the main ones?
[01:19] <matthew_> I wish there was a LiveCD version
[01:20] <os2mac> well, I have been updating the fiesty version Herd 5 but I saw no dist upgrade notification in adept when I update a bit ago.
[01:20] <mon^rch> the desktop cd isn't a live cd?
[01:21] <os2mac> so either I have the package updated RC or their are no changes in what I loaded and the RC.
[01:21] <crdlb> Gambaroni, it's in edgy too, but why are you in #ubuntu+1 then ?
[01:21] <otix>  os2mac: I tried that with /etc/network/interfaces -- no change
[01:21] <matthew_> mon^rch: Yes, it is
[01:21] <os2mac> mon^rch: they are usually compiled as both a live and install CD are they not?
[01:22] <matthew_> There is no desktop CD for the daily release it seems, though
[01:22] <os2mac> otix. did you stop and start networkmanager first?
[01:22] <billy> matthew_, i thought the same thing.  they're out there.
[01:22] <mon^rch> hic..
[01:22] <billy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/
[01:22] <crdlb> matthew_, there have been the last couple of days
[01:22] <os2mac> otix stop networkmanager, mv your interfaces file to a .bk file restart networkmanager.
[01:23] <matthew_> Ahaaaa, thanks billy!
[01:23] <os2mac> otix: and if your using Knetworkmanager (like I am) you will have to stop and start that as well.
[01:23] <billy> matthew_, don't thank me.  I was given that link like five minutes ago!  :)
[01:24] <matthew_> :D
[01:24] <billy> so exactly *why* is a clean install better than upgrading?
[01:24] <otix>  os2mac: trying that.  using kill & just starting it from the shell.  is there an rc file for this?
[01:24] <matthew_> I think I may install today's build
[01:24] <matthew_> It's changed, according to the MD5 at least
[01:24] <os2mac> no, not that I am aware of.
[01:24] <pollyo> otix: I might have been over reacting earlier.
[01:25] <otix> pollyo: np.  it
[01:25] <os2mac> gotta run.. work time.
[01:26] <otix> pollyo: it's just good practice to keep you system & data separate so you can just set the data aside while doing risky system work
[01:26] <pollyo> otix: I'll be doing that soon.
[01:26] <pollyo> otix: I've been planning on getting another drive for the computer.
[01:27] <pollyo> otix: I should be able to easily make the other drive my home directory and leave this drive all for the system.
[01:27] <otix> pollyo: you could even get a small one and use that for root.
[01:27] <Aldante_Fax> So uh, I am having difficulty enabling read/write for NTFS drives - it's giving me an error that I cannot change permissions
[01:27] <pollyo> otix: How does that work?  What is considered part of the root?
[01:28] <pollyo> otix: Would that simply be what you need to boot up?
[01:28] <otix> pollyo:  from the shell, run 'df'.  each of those is a filesystem.  you want to break /home into a separate filesystem and mount it.  there is a doc on this somewhere, maybe in the wiki
[01:29] <pollyo> otix: Ok.. What would I look for?  filesystem?
[01:31] <otix> pollyo:  I gotta crash.  Search the ubuntu docs for something like 'separate home filesystem'.  Read man pages for mount & fstab.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: Will do.  Thanks for the suggestion!
[01:31] <otix> pollyo:  those man pages won't make a lot of sense at first - just work toward understanding them
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: I have a good idea about mount and fstab.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: Just not how they suggest you break up the files.
[01:31] <pollyo> otix: In different areas.
[01:32] <pollyo> otix: Get some rest. <Grin>  Thanks for the information.
[01:32] <otix> pollyo:  home it goes well for you.  'nite.
[01:32] <pollyo> otix: Thank you.
[01:32] <otix> yvw
[01:33] <billy> pollyo:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome ..  I don't think that's been tested on Feisty though.
[01:33] <otix> the concept has been standard unix practice for decades, though
[01:33] <billy> just a disclaimer.  :)
[01:34] <billy> i was a lawyer in a former life.
[01:34] <otix> pollyo:  just don't do the gparted & format stuff on your good data
[01:35] <pollyo> otix: Ok.
[01:35] <otix> nite
[01:35] <pollyo> otix: nite
[01:39] <matthew_> 1h22m before the ISO finishes downloading
[01:39] <billy> matthew_, yeah, it's best to do the downloading at around 3 am.  :)
[01:39] <billy> 3am, central time USA, that is.
[01:39] <matthew_> I didn't know it was released, or I could have :|
[01:40] <Gambaroni> crdlb this is a nice channel.. I'm using Debian..
[01:40] <matthew_> I'm in the UK, things are fastest in the early morning, when the USA is asleep :)
[01:40] <Gambaroni> crdlb it's the same packagesystem.. so I thought you would know ;)
[01:40] <crdlb> but entirely different repos :)
[01:42] <Gambaroni> crdlb yea.. it says: "You should explicity select one to install" that means?
[01:44] <crdlb> Gambaroni, I have no idea
[01:46] <Gambaroni> crdlb ok.
[01:46] <billy> !daily
[01:46] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:55] <ant_ipop> where do i find the daily iso of kubuntu ??
[01:56] <kristjansiimson> any1 here?
[01:57] <kristjansiimson> can someone help me find where to make extended partitions in feisty installer?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> !daily | ant_ipop
[01:58] <ubotu> ant_ipop: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ant_ipop: test the rc - see the /topic
[02:02] <ant_ipop> yay, thats what im gonna do now
[02:03] <kristjansiimson> hello??
[02:03] <kristjansiimson> can i do extended partitions on feisty?
[02:04] <ant_ipop> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/  <-- this is down ??
[02:04] <kristjansiimson> with the feisty installer
[02:04] <AlexC_> shall I just download Beta or latest daily .... I cant wait anylonger for the RC!
[02:05] <ant_ipop> use 070420070412
[02:05] <crazy_bus> For some reason a mp3 I'm trying to play in amarok sounds quite crackly while the same file in beep isn't.  Why is this?
[02:05] <ant_ipop> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[02:05] <AlexC_> daily-live yeah?
[02:06] <kristjansiimson> extended partitions with feisty installer??
[02:07] <arejay> anyone got time to help me with using module-assistant to buld iee80211-source fails in feisty
[02:10] <AlexC_> which daily live would you reccomend?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: see the topic
[02:14] <AlexC_> Hobbsee: that is the candidate for the release candidate correct?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: yes, i think they had to respin
[02:15] <AlexC_> what does re-spin mean?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> AlexC_: [22:08]  <heno> ant_ipop: you can get advice in #ubuntu-iso and from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community
[02:16] <Hobbsee> redone
[02:18] <mon^rch> I dont cere for beryl, I think :(
[02:18] <PyroMessiah> Sure are a ton of updates the last three days
[02:19] <PyroMessiah> Beryl rocks!  I love the burn effect
[02:19] <finalbeta> Lols, the azureus delivered in Feisty is already banned on some sites. Repositories are outdated even before they release.
[02:20] <AlexC_> banned?
[02:20] <finalbeta> Tracker not allowing the version to connect... Banned.
[02:21] <AlexC_> oh,
[02:21] <AlexC_> why would they ban Azureus?
[02:22] <PyroMessiah> Because it sucks?
[02:22] <finalbeta> Most unix clients are banned on private trackers because they don't follow guidelines, ktorrent etc.
[02:22] <PyroMessiah> I dumped it and installed Deluge,  MUCH better
[02:22] <lupine_85> so use ktorrent :)
[02:22] <finalbeta> Deluge etc
[02:22] <AlexC_> yeah I'm going to use Deluge on feisty
[02:22] <finalbeta> They can download, but not much more, report incorrect stats.
[02:22] <Kaplan_> when beryl opens in feisty the spalsh logo show the version 0.2.0 RC3, i see people sayng that the latest version in feisty is 0.21
[02:23] <Kaplan_> what is going on here?
[02:23] <PyroMessiah> Azureus would dl half the torrent then give me a "disk write error"...completely retarded....no such problems with Deluge
[02:24] <balster_neb> I'm about to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty right now. I want to confirm: Do the instructions given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades under the section "Ubuntu beta upgrade" still apply?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: *cough* I don't think unix bt clinets misrepresent stats
[02:25] <thoreauputic> *clinets
[02:25] <thoreauputic> clinets - I can't type
[02:25] <thoreauputic> bah :)
[02:25] <AlexC_> clients :P
[02:26] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: yes, thanks :)
[02:26] <finalbeta> thoreauputic: No, it's more like not properly reporting them.
[02:26] <finalbeta> It's like not telling a lie, but just not telling the truth.
[02:26] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: in what way? Most linux/unix apps are extremely standards-compliant
[02:26] <finalbeta> You know, like politicians do. :)
[02:28] <finalbeta> thoreauputic: http://paste-it.net/1885 A basic list of problems
[02:29] <finalbeta> KTorrent 	A BitTorrent program for KDE. Has problems with reporting bad stats to the tracker and not identifying itself correctly.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: interesting - I'll have a look
[02:29] <balster_neb> oh well, update-manager -d seems to tell me that 7.04 is available
[02:29] <balster_neb> I guess I'll go ahead and upgrade
[02:30] <shirish> guys has anybody heard about the RC, it is supposed to be released today, right?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> finalbeta: I think whoever came up with that list has a bad case of obsessive-compulsive disorder ;p
[02:31] <AlexC_> it is indeed,
[02:31] <Kaplan_> what do you mean by RC??
[02:31] <AlexC_> Release Candaidate,
[02:31] <AlexC_> Candidate
[02:31] <Kaplan_> there will be new updates then
[02:31] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock
[02:31] <cypherdelic> bash: /usr/local/bin/nvclock: cannot execute binary file
[02:31] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock_gtk
[02:31] <cypherdelic> *** stack smashing detected ***: nvclock_gtk terminated
[02:31] <cypherdelic> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:32] <Kaplan_> for us already using feisty
[02:32] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: I'm downloading the latest daily  ... I can't wait any longer
[02:32] <balster_neb> oh, any idea if  update-manager -d will use the repository mirror I have currenty set for Edgy, or will it default to something else?
[02:32] <Kaplan_> if you use -d it will automaticly chnage you sources list to fesity
[02:33] <cypherdelic> i tried to compile by source first
[02:33] <balster_neb> cool, thanks, Kaplan_
[02:33] <Kaplan_> if you get any arrors just report
[02:33] <cypherdelic> that folder contains files compiled on 64bit mashine
[02:33] <Kaplan_> wee will help you
[02:33] <cypherdelic> make same nothing to do for target
[02:34] <cypherdelic> same=say
[02:34] <cypherdelic> says
[02:34] <balster_neb> yes, I'll do that
[02:34] <Kaplan_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[02:34] <balster_neb> this is the first time I'm not upgrading via fresh install
[02:34] <Kaplan_> look at this page if you are upgrading
[02:35] <Kaplan_> i upgraded with -d too
[02:35] <Kaplan_> no great problems here
[02:35] <balster_neb> yes, I had a look at that page
[02:35] <Kaplan_> just a litlle configuration
[02:35] <shirish> AlexC_: I was just asking if u guys had had heard any announcements
[02:35] <Kaplan_> with nvidia and stuff
[02:36] <Kaplan_> nothing much
[02:36] <AlexC_> shirish: there is Release Candidate Candidate ... basically test images for the RC .. you could try those?
[02:36] <balster_neb> yep, the fesity forum does seem to have lots of nvidia related issues
[02:37] <Kaplan_> i had nvidia installed via envy on edgy
[02:37] <balster_neb> I'm hoping that now that it's almost RC there won't be too many other problems
[02:37] <Kaplan_> on feisty the restricted modules install nvidia driver auto
[02:37] <Kaplan_> i just had to edit the restricted to not use "nv"
[02:37] <balster_neb> ah, my nvidia drivers right now are from the standard edgy repos
[02:40] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ /usr/bin/nvclock -i
[02:40] <cypherdelic> *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/nvclock terminated
[02:40] <cypherdelic> Aborted (core dumped)
[02:40] <cypherdelic> im with 9775
[02:50] <balster_neb> woops MD5 mismatch in my mirror while using update-manager -d
[02:51] <balster_neb> I guess I'll try again in a while
[02:52] <shirish> what is known as the procedure before the login screen & after clicking the kernel which one wants
[02:54] <balster_neb> hmm, archive update in progress at my mirror
[02:55] <Hidan> shirish: yo there.
[02:55] <shirish> hi Hidan :)
[02:55] <Hidan> shirish: watcha up to, man? :D
[02:56] <shirish> Hidan: trying to figure out why i dont get that graphical thing right after choosing the kernel, till the login part
[02:56] <SlimeyPete> you mean ubuntu-splash?
[02:57] <ruffe> i have problem booting ubuntu 7.04
[02:57] <shirish> SlimeyPete: right, not getting the ubuntu-splash
[02:57] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: what's going wrong, exactly?
[02:57] <Hidan> shirish: huh... Feisty's good but... I hope that the final version will be decent to use. :p some of these bugs are definitely breaking the o/s.
[02:58] <ruffe> can't assably md0
[02:58] <shirish> Hidan: it could be that, or it could be because I made some changes to GRUB
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: is that all it says?
[02:59] <shirish> Hidan: I changed the resolutions so that my virtual terminals can give 1024*768 otherwise they were giving 640*480
[02:59] <shirish> Hidan: The other thing is the 1.9.93 experimental driver I am using, do not know if either is to  be blamed or not.
[02:59] <ruffe> SlimeyPete, /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[03:00] <shirish> Hidan: Although have never got the ubuntu-usplash thing, whereas I am able to get the gnome/metacity usplash
[03:00] <Hidan> shirish: yikes... experimental huh... oh btw, i'd been having a couple of freezes on the system. Around 5 to 6 times when Kernel wouldn't respond... So I actually uninstalled one of the ATI drivers, stopped using Mozilla firefox, and things seem fine so far.
[03:00] <Hidan> Shirish: hope your issues get resolved too. :D
[03:01] <SlimeyPete> ruffe: I assume you've installed Ubuntu onto a RAID array of some sort?
[03:01] <Hidan> shirish: oops that ought to be swiftfox and all browsers made of mozilla builds.
[03:01] <ruffe> md0 / raid1
[03:01] <shirish> Hidan: one of the developers, bug squashers I was talking to the other day, said he was fine with the 1.9.93 driver for over a month now.
[03:02] <shirish> Hidan: I did try the 915 resolution driver before that but it did not have any effect.
[03:02] <Hidan> shirish: yeah but that's his computer... different configurations, different results.
[03:02] <shooters> during the upgrade to feisty: "could not install base-files" , "package base-files is already installed and configured"
[03:02] <shirish> Hidan: Of course, true
[03:02] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah... hmmm... why not uninstall that driver then? see if you can get into recovery mode and uhm run a couple of commands from there?
[03:03] <shirish> Hidan: If I uninstall the driver, then i get back to 640*480, right now I am in rich, comfortable 1024*768
[03:03] <ruffe> SlimeyPete, mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0
[03:04] <shirish> Hidan: which effectively kills my desktop experience
[03:04] <Hidan> shirish: oh no, i mean... uninstalling that driver to see if it's the driver or something else.
[03:04] <shirish> Hidan: ok do u know how I can go about doing that without breaking my system?
[03:05] <shirish> Hidan: and then getting back the driver if it does not work
[03:05] <Hidan> shirish: no idea, sorry... that's what I did for Winxp, anyways. :( I'm a newbie in Ubuntu and wished I knew more. =/
[03:06] <AlexC_> Hidan: if your new to Ubuntu I highly suggest waiting until Feisty is released,
[03:06] <shirish> same here, anyway thanx for advice, for XP I never had issues atleast with resolution, but then that is all a different ball game
[03:06] <Hidan> alexc_ : you joking? I'm now running feisty and not too many issues.
[03:06] <AlexC_> no I'm not joking, Feisty will and can break - so it's advise not to use it as a 'normal' install ... but if it's working then great,
[03:07] <Hidan> alex_c : yeah i know what you mean. :P
[03:07] <jhaig> Is the Feisty release still on track for 19th?
[03:07] <AlexC_> think so!
[03:07] <ConstyXIV> is there a boot command or something to make ubuntu pass up a bad block of ram?
[03:07] <AlexC_> always feels like your missing something
[03:07] <Hidan> alex_c : however, don't worry, I've been learning since how to file and look up bug reports, as well as installing various stuff, and running gksudo/sudo commands, etc. :)
[03:08] <Hidan> alex_c : I'm barely past 2 weeks on Linux btw.
[03:08] <AlexC_> what is it with people refusing to call me AlexC_ :P
[03:09] <AlexC_> at least your learning and getting use to it, just back up important data
[03:09] <Hidan> alexc_ : uhm 'cos of the underscore position? :P
[03:09] <Hidan> alexc_ don't worry, all of my important data are on other partitions
[03:09] <AlexC_> nah I get called all sorts, Alex, Axel, Alex-c Alex, ... never AlexC_ lol
[03:10] <Hidan> alexc_ : lol am i one of the very few then? :P)
[03:10] <AlexC_> I've had to set up a load of trigger words so it comes up as highlighted, espically since I help a lot in #ubuntu
[03:10] <AlexC_> kinda hard to keep track unless they don't say the name in the setence
[03:10] <shirish> do not know why but network is pretty pretty slow right now
[03:10] <Hidan> alexc_ : lol ahahaha poor sod... :P
[03:10] <AlexC_> :P
[03:11] <jhaig> AlexC_: More people should know about tab-completion in Gaim (and most other irc clients, I think)
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ : but you knwo something? ever since i loaded in ubuntu, i've NOT even spent more than 15 mins in WinXP lol...
[03:11] <AlexC_> yep, every client I have used has teab-completition
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ : everytime i boot into WinXP that is
[03:11] <AlexC_> excellent,
[03:11] <eagles0513875> i have a question for some reason on my desktop im trying to do a duel boot
[03:11] <eagles0513875> when i boot to the live cd all i get from the x is just lines showing up
[03:11] <Hidan> alexc_ got kinda fed up with all the malware and viagra ads
[03:12] <shirish> anybody else getting slow network speeds after updates?
[03:12] <AlexC_> Hidan: at least you'll still get the viagra emails to remind you of our XP days
[03:12] <eagles0513875> ive tried to restart the x and it still doesnt work
[03:12] <Hidan> alexc_ no thank you, man...
[03:12] <Hidan> alexc_ : /me looks between her legs, last time i checked i was still ahem "female" :D
[03:13] <AlexC_> hehe
[03:13] <eagles0513875> O_o
[03:13] <Hidan> huh? mmm eagles, what? :P
[03:13] <jhaig> AlexC_: Sadly, you don't need to use XP to get those adverts.  It is, however, generally XP machines that are sending them out.
[03:13] <Hidan> eagles: can't help you on your issue, sorry i'm just too new to ubuntu. :P
[03:14] <Hidan> jhaig: yeah i can't get enough of those "wanna increase your prowress?" "Be more of a man!"
[03:15] <jhaig> eagles0513875: Can you get a text console? With - [Ctrl] +[Alt] +[F1] 
[03:15] <Hidan> Me: "No thanks. I don't need anymore male hormones in my body" (since everyone has a combo of male + female hormones anyways)
[03:15] <eagles0513875> have not tried
[03:15] <eagles0513875> im not near my desktop atm
[03:15] <Hidan> eagles: ooh then write it down and  go home and try it :)
[03:15] <eagles0513875> the monitor i have hooked up to it is a sceptre monitor and the video card is an evga 6600gt
[03:15] <eagles0513875> Hidan: or email it to myself lol
[03:15] <jhaig> Does it not work every time you boot up the live CD?
[03:16] <eagles0513875> i tried it with 64bit version of feisty and even with edgy
[03:16] <jhaig> Sounds like a graphics driver problem.  Do you have an unusual graphics card?
[03:16] <Hidan> eagles: yeah good idea...
[03:16] <AlexC_> daily liveCD downloaded :P burning
[03:17] <Hidan> alexc_ mmm... just curious. why do you get the daily livecd instead of installing the updates?
[03:17] <eagles0513875> jhaig: its an evga pcie 6600gt with 128mb
[03:18] <AlexC_> Hidan: I'm currently not running Feisty
[03:18] <AlexC_> and want to do a fresh install, instead of update
[03:19] <Hidan> alexc_ : yeah, good idea
[03:20] <AlexC_> hum, though I can't burn CD .... Gnomes CD creator has decided not to work! I just used to to make a backup cd lol
[03:20] <Hidan> alexc_ : ubuntu or maybe linux in general still isn't good enough to do a smooth upgrade without too many kinks.
[03:20] <Hidan> alexc_ : uhmmm try k3b
[03:20] <AlexC_> I've never done one, so I can't say ... I always do fresh install
[03:20] <shirish> I tried once, it did but my sound was gone, think it was from dapper to edgy
[03:21] <Hidan> alexc_ : best not to upgrade, i've heard it's a "count your chances" kinda method.
[03:21] <AlexC_> I normally don't mix KDE and Gnome ... hell to it :P formatted drive anyway in a few mins
[03:21] <eagles0513875> isnt kde better developed
[03:21] <AlexC_> formatting*
[03:21] <jhaig> eagles0513875: Don't know, sorry.
[03:21] <shirish> lol, good for you :P the no. of times my HDD had to take beating
[03:21] <Hidan> shirish: take a beating from what?
[03:21] <jhaig> eagles0513875: (That was a reply to your previous question regarding X)
[03:22] <eagles0513875> should i go in and set it myself
[03:22] <eagles0513875> or reconfig x
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: /me formatting the HDD so many times
[03:26] <shirish> eagles0513875: depends on what u call better developed, KDE uses QT which many people have issues with
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: heh .... think one of my partition's already getting very noisy. XP killed it.
[03:26] <eagles0513875> interesting i have more problems with gnome than kde
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: what can I say
[03:26] <YNWA> hi can anyone help with manually installing Feisty?
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: yeah but hopefully it's getting noisy but not dying.
[03:26] <shirish> eagles0513875: its essentially a work in progress, but much better than what we previously had
[03:26] <Hidan> shirish: 'cos i know hard disks can last quite a while, even if they're staggering on their last legs.
[03:26] <shirish> YNWA: are u using an alternate install CD?
[03:26] <shirish> Hidan: true
[03:26] <YNWA> Live CD?
[03:26] <AlexC_> wtf, CD record has no permission to open the device - trying to burn Feisyt CD with Edgy K3b ....
[03:26] <eagles0513875> thats kool
[03:26] <AlexC_> Feisty*
[03:26] <eagles0513875> i got into this whole linux deal back with suse 9.0
[03:27] <shirish> YNWA: ok hang on, I have put up a post how to install, at a forum, although it has instructions for using the alternate CD but if u read it, and look at the links given you should be able to ride on without issues
[03:27] <ritcereal> so i compiled my kernel last night, and now every time i boot i get an error: 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios on all of the kernels except my recovery deals -- any idea's on how to fix this?
[03:27] <shirish> YNWA: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/installing-ubuntu-feisty-7-04-through-89192.html#post570913 please go through, it is slightly lengthy
[03:28] <YNWA> I'm only having trouble with the partitioning bit... :(
[03:28] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool, so what is the issue there?
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: man, talking about hard disks... i remember my good old HP Pavilion 8215 ... it lasted for a good 10 years before it died out a few years ago.
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: I even ran Photoshop CS on it. xD
[03:29] <YNWA> well, I get to prepare partitions, and I don't kinda know what to do from there on cos I don't want to screw up my hard drive
[03:29] <CarinArr> Hidan: that sounds painful
[03:29] <shirish> Hidan: cool
[03:29] <Hidan> carinarr: yeah it's painful but awesome lol
[03:29] <Hidan> shirish: yep... :D
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: ok, you have a single hard drive which u want to use as a dual-boot or multiple hard disks
[03:30] <YNWA> dual boot
[03:30] <YNWA> I already have Edgy
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: and a single hard disk, no other hard disk in the system
[03:30] <YNWA> no
[03:30] <ruffe> hm, ubuntu CD is booting, but can't see it
[03:30] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool,
[03:30] <YNWA> shirish:it's a laptop, so...!
[03:31] <shirish> YNWA: no issues, the logic remains the same
[03:31] <CarinArr> YNWA: you want to dual boot edgy and feisty?
[03:31] <YNWA> no, I actually want to replace edgy
[03:31] <shirish> YNWA: so what u wanna do is make a clean install right
[03:31] <CarinArr> any windows installs?
[03:31] <Hidan> man, this is awesome. So far, so good. NO freezes, a couple of crashes.
[03:31] <YNWA> CarinArr: Xp
[03:32] <YNWA> I have four partitions: One with Xp, two with just data, and the other with Edgy
[03:32] <shirish> YNWA: ok cool, and when u installed edgy, it was the last partition, after XP right
[03:32] <CarinArr> YNWA: okay
[03:32] <YNWA> shirish: it was the 4th partition, after the xp disk and the two data
[03:33] <jhaig> YNWA: You should be able to just select the Edgy partition as the partition to install onto, and it will not touch the others.
[03:33] <YNWA> it says "No root file system is defined."
[03:33] <shirish> right, just like jhaig has said, just point it to the Edgy install
[03:33] <jhaig> YNWA: Have you set the mountpoint to / ?
[03:33] <CarinArr> YNWA: what type of partitions are the data ones?
[03:34] <CarinArr> ext3? fat32? ntfs?
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: NTFS
[03:34] <CarinArr> so you have three ntfs partitions and one ext3?
[03:34] <YNWA> jhaig: ..?
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: yeah
[03:34] <CarinArr> and you want to wipe everything that's on the edgy partition and replace it with feisty?
[03:34] <jhaig> YNWA: The root partition needs to be mounted on /
[03:34] <YNWA> CarinArr: yeah
[03:34] <eagles0513875> cursed updated pkgs screw up my wireless
[03:35] <YNWA> jhaig: how would I go about doing that?
[03:35] <CarinArr> YNWA: at the step you're at at the moment, can you see the four partitions?
[03:35] <jhaig> YNWA: I cannot remember exactly what the partitioning tool looks like.  If you select the Edgy partition, is there an 'Edit' or 'preferences' button?
[03:35] <YNWA> I see six, the 3 ntfs, 1 ext3, 1swap and one unnamed
[03:36] <CarinArr> okay
[03:36] <CarinArr> what does the line with the ext3 say
[03:36] <YNWA> jhaig: yeah
[03:36] <CarinArr> starting from left to right
[03:36] <jhaig> YNWA: Well, in that, it should be possible to define the mountpoint.
[03:36] <YNWA> /dev/sda4    ext3       /media/sda4             |  |  4811MB
[03:37] <eagles0513875> jw after installing updated pkgs is it essential to reboot the machine
[03:37] <CarinArr> YNWA: it should say /dev/sda4 ext3 / | | 4811MB
[03:37] <CarinArr> so /media/sda4 should be replaced by /
[03:37] <jhaig> YNWA: /media/sda4 (I think) is currently the mountpoint.
[03:38] <YNWA> ah, i chose the "/"
[03:38] <CarinArr> YNWA: double check that only the ext3 and the swap are set to be formatted
[03:38] <jhaig> If you look in the others, they will have similar settings.  This means, when you boot up into the newly installed system you will be able to access them via the /media directory.
[03:39] <YNWA> a warning came up saying something
[03:39] <CarinArr> "something"
[03:39] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:39] <YNWA> can I paste here or in the paste bin?
[03:39] <YNWA> :)
[03:39] <CarinArr> how many lines?
[03:39] <YNWA> 4
[03:39] <CarinArr> pastebin then please:)
[03:39] <YNWA> alrighty
[03:40] <YNWA> crap where is it again?
[03:40] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[03:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:40] <YNWA> the paste bin
[03:40] <jhaig> Is it warning you that partitions will be reformatted?
[03:41] <eagles0513875> i installed the ndiswrapper front end and it wont load
[03:41] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: errors?
[03:41] <ruffe> how do i get the UUID of a partition?
[03:41] <YNWA> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15215/
[03:42] <eagles0513875> nope nothing comes on the scree no errors what so ever
[03:42] <m`kay> hi guys.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[03:42] <eagles0513875> im going to purge it and reinstall it
[03:42] <m`kay> is azureus in feisty still full of bugs like in dapper or edgy?
[03:42] <CarinArr> YNWA: which partition are you trying to resize?
[03:42] <eagles0513875> on the bottow it comes up then quits all of a sudden
[03:43] <eagles0513875> should i try black list the driver that comes by default with the kernel
[03:43] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: have you tried to start the frontend from a terminal
[03:43] <slipttees> hey
[03:43] <YNWA> I just edited ext3 so its mount point is "/"
[03:43] <CarinArr> no changes in partition sizes?
[03:43] <YNWA> nope
[03:43] <eagles0513875> no i have not iill try it now
[03:44] <CarinArr> and only swap and ext3 partitions are ticked for formatting
[03:44] <YNWA> ah - sorry, the 4801 became 4800
[03:44] <YNWA> MB
[03:44] <eagles0513875> it worked now
[03:44] <CarinArr> ah okay..
[03:44] <eagles0513875> now that i installed driver i need to black list the one with the kernel
[03:44] <CarinArr> out of interest, what's the last "unnamed" partition?
[03:44] <CarinArr> just emtpy space?
[03:44] <YNWA> /dev/sda3
[03:44] <YNWA> dunno what it is
[03:45] <CarinArr> how big is it?
[03:45] <slipttees> as configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?
[03:45] <YNWA> 320MB
[03:45] <YNWA> I can't select swap for formatting
[03:45] <CarinArr> YNWA: the swap one should be formatted automatically
[03:45] <slipttees> as configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?
[03:46] <YNWA> ah ok, so I click on format and continue?
[03:46] <slipttees> pppoeconf command not found! :(
[03:46] <CarinArr> !pt
[03:46] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:46] <eagles0513875> CarinArr: now its not installing any of the drivers
[03:46] <CarinArr> YNWA: yep
[03:47] <slipttees> CarinArr: they no help me
[03:47] <shirish> are people having problems connecting to bugs.launchpad.net?
[03:47] <YNWA> CarinArr: who's ubotu?
[03:47] <CarinArr> bot:)
[03:47] <shirish> YNWA: a bot
[03:47] <YNWA> ah
[03:48] <YNWA> I was thinking no one could speak that many languagues
[03:48] <CarinArr> shirish: seems very slow
[03:48] <CarinArr> lol YNWA
[03:48] <eagles0513875> ive blacklisted the driver that came with the kernel
[03:48] <shirish> CarinArr: same here, very very slow :(
[03:48] <eagles0513875> now i need help with installing the driver using ndiswrapper frontend
[03:48] <YNWA> it's asking me to import Docs & Settings from XP, should I?
[03:48] <CarinArr> eagles0513875: i've never used any ndiswrapper frontend i'm afraid
[03:48] <YNWA> my user on XP
[03:49] <eagles0513875> has anyone used the ndiswrapper frontend before
[03:49] <CarinArr> YNWA: uhm.. no idea;) you can if you want i suppose.. i've never had that option
[03:49] <CarinArr> could be because i don't have xp instaled
[03:49] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:49] <YNWA> :D
[03:49] <eagles0513875> ill brb guys moment of truth its saying the module is installed
[03:49] <funkyHat> YNWA, it won't hurt to try it, and CarinArr yeah that would be why ;)
[03:49] <eagles0513875> brb
[03:49] <YNWA> the dominance of Microsoft forces me to use Xp
[03:50] <CarinArr> right i'm goign to go plant the rest of my plants before they die in the sun
[03:50] <CarinArr> ta ra
[03:50] <YNWA> thanks CarinArr for the help btw
[03:50] <CarinArr> welcome:)
[03:50] <YNWA> glad in your part of the world the sun is still up
[03:51] <ruffe> how do i find UUID of /dev/mdX?
[03:52] <YNWA> alrighty, things are installing... thanks guys for the help
[03:52] <shirish> ruffe: the one hdd u are using would be listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:52] <shirish> ruffe: there you should find atleast the present disks uuid
[03:53] <shooters> no package named `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386' is installed, cannot configure
[03:53] <ruffe> shirish, booting on cd
[03:53] <shooters> what do I do?
[03:54] <shirish> ruffe: you have an edgy install on the HDD or its an XP thing? sorry have not followed the discussion before
[03:55] <ruffe> shirish, upgraded from edgy to feisty
[03:55] <ruffe> shirish, and now it can't boot
[03:55] <shirish> ruffe: then pray, why are u using a cd, doing some rescue thing?
[03:56] <ruffe> shirish, yes
[03:56] <shirish> ruffe: ah ok, there is something called chroot which is supposed to help
[03:57] <ruffe> shirish, not by it self
[03:57] <shirish> ruffe: I have never done it, trying to find if there is some documentation somewhere of it
[03:58] <ruffe> i have a UUID in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, how can i check it?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[03:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: does that command work only on the CD, or can a person use it to see the uuid on the hdd also while running that hdd?
[04:00] <ruffe> Hobbsee, no mdX there
[04:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: both
[04:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: in fact, the latter is the oen mostly used
[04:00] <Hobbsee> ruffe: ahh
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: I get this ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee:  No such file or directory
[04:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: disk, not disks, sorry
[04:02] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah, ok
[04:07] <Ayabara> !restricted
[04:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:14] <valehru> Hey guys, from /var/www/ I am unable to rename or edit files or folders...what gives?
[04:14] <lupine_85> permissions?
[04:14] <coNP> valehru: are you owning these files / folders?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> valehru: add yourself to the www-data group
[04:14] <shirish> this is so sad as well as so cool, so many of my bugs are being responded to today but I cannot seem to connect to bugs.launchpad.net today :(
[04:14] <valehru> tonyyarusso, how do I do that?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> valehru: sudo adduser valehru www-data
[04:14] <valehru> well I did "sudo -R valehru /var/www/"
[04:14] <valehru> I thought that would have done the job
[04:16] <Hidan> omg
[04:16] <Hidan> finally finished the book... how sad.
[04:16] <shirish> Hidan: which book was that?
[04:17] <Hidan> shirish: mmm... Playing with fire by Dana Stabenow
[04:17] <Hidan> her writing's not so good in her earlier books though...
[04:17] <shirish> never heard of that one, I just finished the debian install by debian.org (pdf) today lol :P
[04:18] <Hidan> shirish: oh it's mystery. takes place in Alaska.
[04:19] <shirish> Hidan: oh cool, the last fictional or do not know what was 'The Pilgrimage' by the same author who had written 'The Alchemist'
[04:20] <Hidan> shirish: interesting. what was the author's name?
[04:20] <shirish> Hidan: ok hold on, I will find it out in a moment, wikipedia to the rescue
[04:20] <Hidan> shirish: ah thank you. ^_^
[04:20] <shirish> Hidan: yes, Paul Cohelo
[04:21] <shirish> Hidan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pilgrimage
[04:22] <TheVault> I really need some help. For some reason, I'm not able to get my external DVD to read discs while I'm booting up. I have no Blank CDs or I would burn a copy of feisty. I have Windows installed at the moment on my Desktop, which I wanna replace with Feisty fawn, but cannot do that cause of the fact of my DVD player won't read anything when I boot my computer(iv looked in bios, everywhere for...
[04:22] <Hidan> shirish: thank you. :) I won't look, though, since I'll put that on my "to get" list.
[04:22] <TheVault> ...boot sequenece and my dvd player does not show) . Is there a way to install feisty fawn while using Windows Xp to install it?
[04:23] <mweichert> hi guys, I'm trying to preseed a feisty install that has no network connection at the time of install. How do I tell d-i not to install components from a mirror? I keep getting the error "Bad archive mirror" as naturally, the computer cannot connect to the internet without a network connection
[04:23] <shirish> Hidan: it is not a mystery novel, hence u can look, it is how should I say in a sense of finding yourself thing
[04:23] <Hidan> shirish: ooh... I think I know what you mean. Self-enrichment sorta book, huh?
[04:23] <shirish> TheVault: did I read that right, DVD player did u say?
[04:24] <TheVault> shirish: DVD reader/burner/player
[04:24] <shirish> Hidan: yup, something like that, not preachy but sorta tells about his experience
[04:24] <TheVault> shirish: So I can read a DVD with Feisty Fawn on it
[04:24] <Arwen> it's RC day, so, will the new patches come out at midnight?
[04:25] <shirish> TheVault: and you say it reads XP bootable DVD?
[04:25] <Hidan> shirish: good, i never like books where people get preachy, especially when they start insisting that your problems are always your own fault. But not everyone gets to choose the direction of his life. :p
[04:26] <shirish> Hidan: true, but one can always make an effort, take a chill-pill, install Ubuntu for starters lol :p
[04:26] <TheVault> shrish: Basically, its a DVD drive, burns, reads, plays DVDs. Basically, The drive is not in my bios nor can I get it to work at bootup, even with it plugged it. So right now, i'm sitting here on XP, is there a way to install feisty fawn by popping in the DVD I made of feisty fawn and get it install while still using Windows XP while its still installing?
[04:27] <Arwen> TheVault, try making your BIOS rescan the IDE and SATA channels
[04:27] <TheVault> Arwen: How do I do that?
[04:27] <Arwen> dunno, depends on the BIOS
[04:27] <Hidan> shirish: lol :) yeah... for most people, nay for some people. :p After all, there're some who don't even make enough to buy a computer and live their life on the streets. Oh well...
[04:28] <TheVault> Arwen: Well I got a older computer. Pentium 3 Processor 993MHZ with 256MB Of Ram
[04:28] <shirish> Hidan: true
[04:28] <TheVault> Arwen: 20GIG HD
[04:28] <shirish> TheVault: no, do not think so
[04:28] <Arwen> dunno then, either way, food....
[04:29] <TheVault> shirish: Well dang. Now I gotta go out and buy some CDs. I can't have the feisty fawn shipped to my house cause i'm moving soon and it takes sometime for the disc to get here.
[04:29] <shirish> TheVault: what I meant was I do not see a way to use windows while installing feisty
[04:29] <Hidan> shirish: hmmm... backing up some stuff now. what a waste of dvd space... 1.7 gb used space, 2.7 gb free. oh well.
[04:30] <TheVault> shrish: Well is there a way I can install feisty without the use of a CD. In my laptop(the one Iv been getting most help on recently) reads DVDs & everything fine, but thats cause the DVD drive is built in
[04:30] <SlimeyPete> shirish: one could probably give VMWare access to a "proper" partition on the hard disk and install Ubuntu via that.
[04:31] <SlimeyPete> might need to set up the bootloader manually though
[04:31] <dfgas_> so has here been any updates to the live cd
[04:31] <shirish> SlimeyPete: how did that one slip through my mind, yes you could use vmware but it would be excruciatingly slow
[04:31] <TheVault> SlimeyPete: My desktop would die. Vmware does not work very good on a low end computer like I have
[04:32] <shirish> SlimeyPete: he has a p3 something
[04:32] <SlimeyPete> vmware's not *that* slow... but yeah, on your hardware it'd be painful
[04:32] <TheVault> Yeah it would
[04:32] <TheVault> I even had touble with it on my high end computer
[04:32] <shirish> SlimeyPete: Qemu would have been good I guess but it needs to be ported for Windows
[04:32] <SlimeyPete> it has been.
[04:33] <shirish> TheVault: have u tried Qemu?
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> VirtualBox is qemu-based, and there's a vanilla qemu port around somewhere too.
[04:33] <TheVault> shirish: Whats that?
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> thing is, Qemu's no faster than vmware
[04:33] <SlimeyPete> these days
[04:33] <TheVault> oh
[04:33] <Hidan> btw, out of all those virtual ware stuff, which one's the best? i've heard of virtualbox and the like.
[04:33] <shirish> TheVault: seems you got yourself in a fix
[04:34] <Lukian> The last push of updates broke nvidia :(
[04:34] <TheVault> shrish: Yeah. Stupid DVD burner burned my last CD the wrong way, stupid thing burned the ISO file itself to the disc, not extract itself to the disc like it normally does
[04:34] <SlimeyPete> virtualbox is nice. VMWare's the daddy but in theory you have to pay for Workstation in order to get all the desktop-oriented features. Microsoft's VirtualPC is rubbish - slow as treacle and it doesn't play well with non-Windows OSes.
[04:34] <TheVault> shirish: Talk about a waste of a perfectly good CD
[04:34] <Hidan> yeah virtualpc is awful... it took me like 5 mins just to prompt the cursor into moving!
[04:35] <shirish> TheVault: here they cost about 1/4th of a dollar
[04:35] <Hidan> slimey: i've tried VMWare player but... i wasn't able to get winxp to run in it.
[04:35] <shirish> TheVault: same as a DVD
[04:35] <SlimeyPete> odd. If anything's gonna run without a hitch in VMWare, it's Windows.
[04:35] <TheVault> shrish: I rather not spend no money. I'm going to do what Arwen said and do the scan thing in the Bios
[04:36] <TheVault> Hopefully, it finds something. Brb in a bit
[04:36] <Hidan> shirish: yeah dvds and cdrs are pretty cheap in singapore. but, i also have cdrs too, 'cos i like to backup my music cds.
[04:36] <shirish> Hidan: same here, although do not backup music so often
[04:36] <Lukian> I can't wait till feisty final, assuming they fix these bugs :/
[04:37] <Hidan> lukian: yeah same here.
[04:37] <AlexC_> yay, running Feisty!
[04:37] <shirish> Lukian: i am waiting for the feisty+1 alpha, when I will be able to break the box again, see what works or not, file bugs (which is a high in itself) and learn more about the OS doing that
[04:37] <Lukian> *wonders when the next version of nvidia restricted drivers will be pushed*
[04:38] <Hidan> shirish: just got 50 dvd+r discs and 50 cdrs yesterday. cost me about 1,400 rupees.
[04:38] <Hidan> alexc_ congrats!
[04:38] <shirish> Hidan: wowie, that is singapore rupees right
[04:39] <Hidan> shirish: alpha, huh? filing bugs is kinda fun.
[04:39] <Hidan> shirish: no converted into indian rupees. we use Singapore dollars here. :P
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: yup, quite like it actually
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: wow, that is big spend here
[04:39] <AlexC_> got one problem though, I installed gnome-compiz-manager and on Edgy, I could find it in the menus ... however, it is not there with Feisty, and if I run "gnome-compiz-manage" in terminal, it's not there
[04:39] <shirish> Hidan: actually not so much, it would have costed around 1k here, so not bad at all
[04:40] <crazy_bus> can anyone tell me how Rip Video dvd in k3b works.  I tried it but it just loads the video_ts and audio_ts folder
[04:40] <shirish> Hidan: for as I understand the Singapore dollar has more value than the Indian rupee
[04:41] <slytherin> shirish: 50 DVD+ARE itself would cost you Rs. 1250
[04:41] <Hidan> shirish: speaking about bugs, check out this. lol.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105811
[04:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 105811 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu: Many suggestions included" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:41] <Hidan> what's ARE ?
[04:42] <shirish> yeah, whats ARE?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> launchpad is not loading here...
[04:42] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: Sorry, text replacement by Gaim. :-D DVD+R
[04:42] <shirish> Hidan: I am getting timed out on launchpad, the engineers need to fix it or loa dmore servers
[04:43] <shirish> slytherin: are u from India to say from authority?
[04:43] <Hidan> slytherin: whoa that alone?! 50 dvds = 1250 Rs. ???! Yeeks.
[04:43] <frederific> will feisty be available on shipit?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> shirish: possibly maintenance or something happening
[04:43] <slytherin> shirish: Yes, I am.
[04:43] <slytherin> frederific: Yes.
[04:43] <Hidan> shirish: yeah well, loading times have been a bit slow for me on launchpad lately.
[04:44] <slytherin> thoreauputic: launchpad accessible here
[04:44] <thoreauputic> slytherin: hmm
[04:44] <frederific> slytherin: thx
[04:44] <Hidan> frederic: yes... shipit allows you to apply for Feisty cds xD
[04:44] <shirish> slytherin: i have got 10 DVD of National do not remember whether it is + or - DVD R but get both for 10 bucks each
[04:44] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: FYI ... 1 Singapore $ = 33 INR
[04:44] <Hidan> slytherin: yeah i used a currency converter.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> slytherin: taking forever in .au apparently...
[04:45] <slytherin> Hidan: shirish: Sorry it is 27 INR. I quotes AUS $ rate
[04:45] <Hidan> slytherin: shirish: in SGD, i paid 16 + 29 bucks. = 45 SGD$.
[04:45] <slytherin> shirish: Ahh. I think them Moser Baer (whatever the spelling) are costly
[04:45] <Hidan> maxell media.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> slytherin: finally loads... took about 30 seconds
[04:46] <shirish> slytherin: there is a make of Moser Baer which one should not purchase, I do not remember the exact one, but its told to be trouble
[04:46] <Hidan> shirish: what's moser baer? don't see it in singapore.
[04:47] <shirish> slytherin: thoreauputic: finally times out after 5 minutes
[04:47] <shirish> Hidan: its an Indian company which makes branded CDs & DVDs
[04:47] <shirish> blanks
[04:47] <thoreauputic> heh - that suggestion bug is a long rant :))
[04:47] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moser_Baer
[04:47] <slytherin> shirish: anyway, I don't have DVD writer yet. So I won't buy them anyway. If I ever buy a DVD writer (USB) then I will buy Sony DVDs :-D
[04:48] <shirish> slytherin: I am happy there, Sony ones are mega-expensive too, I make do with cheap ones
[04:48] <Hidan> thoreauputic: HEY! :P it took me many hours to write up those suggestions... grr.
[04:48] <shirish> Hidan: could u make a pastebin paste out of it
[04:48] <Hidan> shirish: aye sure...
[04:48] <Hidan> shirish: hang on, man.
[04:48] <shirish> sure
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Hidan: hah
[04:49] <Hidan> thoreauputic: what? :P
[04:49] <slytherin> Hidan: Some suggestions are good. Why not split them in wishlist bugs? Anyway, most of them won't make it to feisty.
[04:49] <shirish> also they are going in now for selling cheap movies on DVD, Moser Baer, single movie, 1 Singapore Dollar
[04:50] <Hidan> slytherin: how do i post in wishlist?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Hidan: no further comments. m'lud
[04:50] <Hidan> thoreauputic: bah, i'm female xD
[04:50] <Hidan> shirish: wait sooo cheap?!!!!! 1 buck per movie?!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Hidan: OK, m'lady ;p
[04:50] <AnRkey> when is RC1 due?
[04:50] <shirish> Hidan: you cannot make it wishlist , but can say they are wishlist material, then the guys will automatically categorize it so
[04:50] <AlexC_> How can I get gnome-compiz-manager? I install it, but - it's not in the menus and can't launch it via Terminal, it was here in Edgy! where's it gnoe?
[04:50] <shirish> AnRkey: today it seems
[04:50] <AnRkey> woohoo
[04:51] <slytherin> Hidan: I meant that probably put [wishlist]  in the bug description.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: try system -preferences - GL Desktop
[04:51] <AnRkey> i just did a fresh install of the beta, then a full update and then tried the nvidia drivers with compiz
[04:51] <AnRkey> worked first time and smooth as silk
[04:51] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: hum no it wasn't that one
[04:51] <AnRkey> very impressed
[04:51] <AnRkey> can't wait to try the RC1
[04:52] <Hidan> shirish: http://pastebin.ca/436449
[04:52] <slytherin> AlexC_: perhaps you need to add it to panel.
[04:52] <Hidan> shirish: okay thank you!
[04:52] <shirish> AnRkey: there was a big update today about the nvidia stuff
[04:52] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: there is another, more advanced configure for Compiz called gnome-compiz-manager ... I used it in Edgy, but I just installed it in Feisty and it's not there
[04:52] <slytherin> AlexC_: Or if you just installed it then 'killall gnome-panel'
[04:52] <AlexC_> no, it's not a panel applet,
[04:52] <AnRkey> shirish: go on...
[04:52] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: gnome-compiz-preferences ?
[04:52] <AlexC_> no, gnome-compiz-manager
[04:53] <AlexC_> a more advanced version, allows you to tweak all plugins
[04:53] <Hidan> omg launchpad's horrendously slow
[04:53] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I don't know then, sorry
[04:53] <AnRkey> AlexC_: now i wanna go back to work and play with it! damn you man!
[04:53] <AnRkey> :P
[04:53] <AlexC_> play with Compiz? :P
[04:53] <Hidan> mmm compiz eh? i haven't even dared to try that or beryl
[04:53] <shirish> AnRkey: oh, just that, I  noticed it as I keep a watch on what new updates are coming, nothing else, I am on i845 chipset
[04:53] <Hidan> 'cos my system was giving me problems
[04:53] <AnRkey> gnome-compiz-preferences
[04:54] <AlexC_> I see,
[04:54] <Hidan> shirish: sorry, though, that's a very long list lol
[04:54] <AnRkey> shirish: how easy is i845 driver to install and use?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: apt-cache show gnome-compiz-preferences   says that it's the same, with a tray icon ( you can get the icon from the gui dialogue)
[04:54] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: try sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[04:54] <AnRkey> shirish: looking into a dell laptop with that chipset now that they ship laptops without an OS on request
[04:54] <AlexC_> it's in there, it downloads and installs, yet .... it's no where to be found
[04:54] <shirish> AnRkey: there is one which comes with the stock install of feisty & there is one experimental whic can  be used
[04:55] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: i don't need to - I just told you what apt-cache show says
[04:55] <AnRkey> shirish: which one works with glx effects and compiz?
[04:55] <shirish> AlexC_ try which gnome-compiz-manager
[04:55] <shirish> AnRkey: what chipset do u have?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: it comtains gnome-compiz-preferences and compiz-tray-icon
[04:56] <shirish> Hidan: I am reading it, will let u know in a while then go for a bath
[04:56] <AnRkey> well my laptop for work is a dell xps m170 with a 6900gtx
[04:56] <AlexC_> hum, that's not right though, thoreauputic - because I installed it on Edgy and it was gnome-compiz-manager and preferences was a seperate program
[04:56] <AnRkey> and my testing machine is has a 7800GS nvidia
[04:56] <Hidan> shirish: oh np xD
[04:56] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: *shrug*
[04:56] <AnRkey> AlexC_: how much more stuff can you set?
[04:56] <AlexC_> everything,
[04:57] <AlexC_> configure every plugin, every shortcut
[04:57] <shirish> AnRkey: then the intel driver is of no use to you.
[04:57] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: aptitude install gnome-compiz-manager --> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[04:57] <AnRkey> ooooh nice, i use beryls shorcut stuff to add things like "super R" and "super E"
[04:58] <jtt> thoreauputic: how did you embolden the  word  shrug  just a moment ago  waht key strokes embolden words
[04:58] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: are you thinking of the beryl manager?
[04:58] <AlexC_> type /me hello
[04:58] <AnRkey> shirish: does beryl or compiz not work with it?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jtt: just put * around it
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jtt: like *this*
[04:58] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: nope, I've used both beryl and Compiz and they use very different managers
[04:58] <jtt> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:58] <shirish> AnRkey: it works, but u need the intel express chipset as ur graphics & from what u told, it seems u do not have an intel integrated graphics chipset
[04:59] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: 'tis a mystery then - i too would like more options in the compiz GUI
[04:59] <AlexC_> let me see if I can find a screenshot of it
[04:59] <shirish> AnRkey: it is for intel integrated graphics chipset only, the experimental driver
[04:59] <AnRkey> shirish: no thats what i have now
[04:59] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I get sick of trying to work out the gconf-editor options...
[04:59] <AnRkey> what i am looking at getting is a dell with your chipset
[04:59] <shirish> AnRkey: ah ok, lemme find the right bug-report for you then
[05:00] <AnRkey> do you have it working with beryl or compiz?
[05:00] <shirish> AnRkey: bug #90213 there u go
[05:00] <AnRkey> shweet thanks :D
[05:00] <shirish> ubotu seems to be sleeping again
[05:00] <shirish> https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213
[05:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 
[05:01] <thoreauputic> hmm ubotu has been very sluggish today
[05:01] <shirish> not his fault actually ubotu: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The connect operation timed out
[05:01] <AnRkey> i am prbly only gonna get it later this year and i think i might just stick to nvidia for the graphics chipset for sake of ease and less hair loss
[05:01] <thoreauputic> shirish: ah
[05:01] <shirish> AnRkey: granted that one
[05:02] <AnRkey> shirish: the nvidia drivers and compiz are installed for you by feisty now
[05:02] <AnRkey> so very very easy
[05:02] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: woops, I got it mixed up - it wasn't gnome-compiz-manager but instead this http://compiz.org/Compiz-Settings
[05:02] <shirish> AnRkey: I know by the description but have not yet had the opportunity to actually see it
[05:02] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: ah
[05:03] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: looking
[05:03] <AnRkey> shirish: actually funny enough, i played with vista a while ago and auro was much harder to get working than compiz was in feisty beta :)
[05:03] <AlexC_> thoreauputic: link seems to be dead, though
[05:03] <AnRkey> aero, soz :D
[05:03] <mweichert_> has anyone here been able to successfully preseed feisty?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: yes, and no package in feisty apparently
[05:04] <AlexC_> shame, it's a very nice settings manager for it
[05:04] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: the options have been changing pretty fast - maybe it is just out of date
[05:04] <AlexC_> maybe, but they are changing there site over
[05:05] <AlexC_> and the links seem to be the old links,
[05:05] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: beryl and compiz are rejoining anyway
[05:05] <hylje> if they manage
[05:05] <AlexC_> yep, I just need my daily dose of wobbly windows
[05:06] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: I have had more fun with Beryl actually :)
[05:06] <shirish> Hidan: u there?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: although if anything Beryl is just *too much*
[05:06] <AlexC_> I normally use Beryl, how ever I find Compiz more polished and professional
[05:07] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: well, yes - Beryl is a bit of an eye candy whore ( taste is not an issue)
[05:07] <mweichert_> can feisty be installed without a network connection?
[05:07] <shirish> AlexC_: I just tried the desktop-effects for a while then went back to the daily way of doing things
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: ye
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> s
[05:07] <shirish> mweichert_: absolutely, but then getting the networking right would be some pain afterwards
[05:07] <AlexC_> oh hold on ... Compiz doesn't have group windows
[05:08] <AlexC_> hum, may need to bring in Beryl for that then =
[05:08] <AlexC_> =\
[05:08] <mweichert_> why does the installer insist on configuring a mirror?
[05:08] <shirish> mweichert_: if your network connection is on, then it would configure the connection, whether you want to use it l8ter is upto u
[05:08] <thoreauputic> mweichert_: because most people would not know how to do it themselves?
[05:08] <mweichert_> tonyyarusso, shirish - have either of you ever preseeded the install?
[05:08] <shirish> mweichert_: have read about it, but no have not done it as of yet
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: You mean built our own disks?
[05:10] <mweichert_> I don't get it, I've preseeded the install to configure no network connection and haven't specificed any mirror settings... but the installer fails as it is trying to fetch the release file from archive.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <mweichert_> but of course it can't fetch from the internet with no network connection
[05:10] <mweichert_> I'm stumped
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> The default one should fail once and ask you to continue...
[05:10] <mweichert_> tonyyarusso: noppers
[05:11] <shirish> mweichert_:  no idea m8, the debian channel should be more helpful in this regard, because they built the debian-installer
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> Hrm.  The alternate CD does.
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> shirish: I think he may be talking Ubiquity?
[05:11] <mweichert_> if I click continue, the same message appears "bad archive mirror"
[05:11] <shirish> tonyyarusso: ah ok
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> mweichert_: Desktop or Alternate ?
[05:11] <AlexC_> well that was easy, beryl install in 2 mins ... oh I love it, I love it!
[05:11] <mweichert_> Alternate
[05:12] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: when is compiz and beryl going to join?
[05:12] <shirish> ok guys off to a bath now
[05:12] <mweichert_> shirish: thanks for your help
[05:12] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: I don't know - I just read that they are working on it
[05:13] <hidan> omg
[05:13] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: it won't be a white weddind, i guess ;p
[05:13] <hidan> i accidentally uninstalled my ATI drivers
[05:13] <thoreauputic> *wedding
[05:13] <hidan> now feisty won't load and i'm running off my live cd.
[05:13] <hidan> geez
[05:14] <thoreauputic> hidan: boot in recovery mode, reconfigure X and choose the vesa driver, then fix it when it boots to a gui
[05:14] <hidan> uhmmm how do i reconfigure X?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> hidan:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <gnomefreak> hidan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:15] <thoreauputic> gnomefreak: ;)
[05:15] <hidan> omg thank guys :D
[05:15] <gnomefreak> thoreauputic: :)
[05:15] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: I did some googlesnooping and found this http://www.linuxlookup.com/2007/apr/05/compiz_and_beryl_reunited_officially
[05:15] <AnRkey> thoreauputic: explains it nicely
[05:15] <AnRkey> it looks very exciting
[05:15] <thoreauputic> AnRkey: ah - thanks for the link :)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> it hasnt been merged yet but they are working on it
[05:16] <hidan> right guys and damnit, my system had to freeze at that time.
[05:16] <AnRkey> i hope it has a nice quick pace for dev work like beryl did
[05:16] <hidan> anyone here had system freeze completely before, in Feisty? As in, even magic keys won't restart the pc and you need to do cold reboot.
[05:16] <arkora> I am running linux 2.6.20-*14* on feisty, and need to install the old version 2.6.20-*13*. Where can I find these debs? They do not exist in the repositories anymore, and I have deleted my archive cache. Any ideas?
[05:16] <AnRkey> hidan: where you doing an update?
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: no it happens on random.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> hidan: usually binary driver issues
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: i've no idea why.
[05:17] <hidan> thoreauputic: huh? binary drivers?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> arkora: you didnt leave it in grub?
[05:17] <AnRkey> hidan: have you checked your logs?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> hidan: ati and nvidia ( ati especially)
[05:17] <hidan> anrkey: nothing much about that issue in the logs.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> hidan: have you been living under a rock?
[05:18] <arkora> gnomefreak: no. (will never do that again)
[05:18] <hidan> thoreauputic: hey that was uncalled for, man... ><;;
[05:18] <gnomefreak> file that under smae heading while were at it
[05:18] <mweichert_> does ubuntu-desktop contain any packages NOT on the cd?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> arkora: ok look in /var/apt/cache
[05:19] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah i even installed a separate set of ATI drivers but no use... the system still froze. Then again, maybe  i needed to restart the pc after installing. duh.
[05:19] <AnRkey> i am a sad man today
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> why?
[05:19] <arkora> gnomefreak: I have deleted the archive cache. (will never do that again ;)
[05:19] <AnRkey> the last thing i need from linux just is not there yet
[05:19] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: why what?
[05:19] <mastertsunami> whats the last thing you need
[05:19] <gnomefreak> arkora: are you sure you want to be using feisty?
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> that was @ AnRkey
[05:19] <AnRkey> i would move now on my personal machine if i could game as easilly
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[05:20] <thoreauputic> hidan: I just wonder why you are using a devel OS with ati and son't know what is meant by "binary drivers" ;)
[05:20] <AnRkey> i just can't leave bf2
[05:20] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec let me think of name for it
[05:20] <AnRkey> i tried but it didn't work
[05:20] <mastertsunami> bf2 works pretty well in linux
[05:20] <hidan> thoreauputic: hey, i've spent less than 2 weeks on linux so hold it off. :P
[05:20] <mastertsunami> did you try cedega?
[05:20] <AnRkey> the withdrawel hit me hard
[05:20] <DanaG> BF2 uses OpenAL, so audio should work fine.
[05:20] <AlexC_> hum that's ashame, Rthymbox doesn't ask to install codecs,
[05:20] <mastertsunami> it did for me :
[05:21] <mastertsunami> what file type is it?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> hidan: then why on earth are you running a beta like feisty ? Just curious...
[05:21] <AlexC_> really? mp3
[05:21] <AnRkey> DanaG: I suppose when feisty is at stable i will try again with cedega
[05:21] <DanaG> As long as you rename "BF2OpenAL.dll" to something else, if you have an Audigy.
[05:21] <arkora> gnomefreak: I've been using Linux for 11 years, it was just stupid of me. Is there any other source, or a server where old builds are available?
[05:21] <gnomefreak> arkora: open synaptic and search for kernel
[05:21] <hidan> thoreauputic: oh because Dapper was completely unstable on my pc. I did 2 reformats and still, things went wrong. So people recommended Feisty.
[05:21] <AlexC_> Totem though, does install the codecs
[05:21] <AnRkey> DanaG: thanks for the tip
[05:21] <mastertsunami> i'd file a bug
[05:21] <DanaG> Video may be a different issue, though.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> hidan: hmm
[05:22] <AlexC_> mastertsunami: is Rtyhmbox suppose to, though?
[05:22] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[05:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:22] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah too many factors into why things went wrong.
[05:22] <AnRkey> does any1 know how to get uvox streams to work with totem?
[05:22] <mastertsunami> AlexC_: I thought so but thinking back I might have tried a video file first
[05:22] <DanaG> In fact, if you have a sound card that supports OpenAL in the Windows drivers, the same tweak will apply there'.
[05:22] <thoreauputic> hidan: well, you are jumping in a t the deep end - good luck :)
[05:22] <mastertsunami> in either case, it should ask you
[05:22] <DanaG> google "bf2openal.dll"
[05:23] <AlexC_> hum, wtf
[05:23] <AlexC_> Rythmbox has gone mad :P
[05:23] <hidan> thoreauputic: oh don't worry, i've spent quite a few days running Feisty.
[05:23] <AlexC_> it wont play any file ...
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hidan: at least there are only a few days to go before release
[05:23] <AnRkey> hey! no fair, whenever i say wtf i get told off :(
[05:23] <hidan> thoreauputic: how many more days before RC1?
[05:23] <AlexC_> wtf really? :P
[05:23] <thoreauputic> hidan: any time now I think
[05:23] <gnomefreak> it should be out
[05:23] <AnRkey> AlexC_: :D
[05:24] <AlexC_> RC1 is out today ... I downloaded todays Daily and everything is fine
[05:24] <gnomefreak> check !daily   they were testing it yesterday
[05:24] <AlexC_> I couldn't wait any longer,
[05:24] <Toma-> whats the dd command to clear a drive?
[05:24] <AlexC_> and now I'm running Feisty =) yay
[05:24] <Toma-> if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while before the hard work begins
[05:25] <AnRkey> well i am in UK and it's normally at night here when the herds or beta's are out
[05:25] <hidan> thoreauputic: yeah here's to hoping things work well... with the RC1 or else, i'll probably try another flavour of linux or go back to WinXP.
[05:25] <arkora> gnomefreak: I've done that, but synaptic tells me linux-2.6.20-13 is not available at the server any more. I can't find it at ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta or at any other mirror either.
[05:25] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what is the issue?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> hidan: feisty is working well here ...
[05:25] <gnomefreak> arkora: than your not getting it
[05:26] <AlexC_> it's working great here as well!
[05:26] <gnomefreak> see if #ubuntu-kernel still has them
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ok now i am really gone
[05:26] <AlexC_> with edgy I had to go to the docs and install all of these codecs yadaadad, Feisty .. nice, just double click a file and it downloads them ... superb.
[05:26] <hidan> johnnybuoy: Feisty freezed at least 5 times so far... Magic keys don't work and according to thoreauputic, it could likely be a binary driver issue.
[05:26] <arkora> gnomefreak: thanks.
[05:26] <AlexC_> same with graphics card drivers, I love it :P
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> hidan, you have ATI?
[05:27] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yep, ATI. i installed xorg-driver-fglrx as well. however, right now, i'm booting off the livecd. i accidentally uninstalled my default ati drivers lol
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> hidan, ATI don't really suppot linux, the same bugs have been around in their drivers for more that 2 years
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> they make that driver to get on people's nerves and make linux seem bad
[05:28] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i heard that so what can i do?
[05:29] <AlexC_> tis why I switched to nVidia :P
[05:29] <thoreauputic> !ati | hidan
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> they taint the kernel, thus it is not a linux issu, it is an ATI issu
[05:29] <ubotu> hidan: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <Toma-> i support nvidia with my wallet. boo to ati!
[05:29] <hidan> johnnybuoy: so you mean with those drivers, system freezes(Magic keys don't work, etc., etc.) are a common issue?
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> hidan, well, I'm sorry to say, but if you want 3D, then you really have no choice....
[05:29] <johnnybuoy> hidan, very common
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: argh...
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, everyone who uses it has them
[05:30] <thoreauputic> hidan: "Don't buy... ATI "
[05:30] <DanaG> Hmm, what video card do you have?
[05:30] <AnRkey> AlexC_: Feisty is the best linux DE i have ever used, there are loads of toys hidden. The final release notes will list them all.
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what videocard?
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i don't exactly have the cash to change everything in my system right now. :(
[05:30] <hidan> johnnybuoy: powercolor 9600 pro
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> not everything, the videocard is tough
[05:30] <AlexC_> AnRkey: I think you mean Distro, not DE :P oo, hidden toys? what like?
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what do you use it for?
[05:30] <DanaG> Oh, for a 9600 you can use the OSS driversm right?
[05:30] <Telep> yeah
[05:31] <DanaG> "radeon"
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> hidan, there are pretty good "experimental" drivers for that card
[05:31] <Telep> I'm using them with my mobile radeon 9000
[05:31] <AlexC_> where is my Beryl window grouper?!
[05:31] <DanaG> you'd have to purge the fglrx drivers with apt.
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> yes, all of fglrx
[05:31] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh boy lol... phew . i'm saved. so the OSS driversm are okay?
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> DanaG, depends, those r300 drivers don't really work for blender eg.
[05:31] <hidan> but first of all, i accidentally wiped my default ATI drivers
[05:31] <Telep> compiz works fine, but e.g. Gimp is sluggish
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> hidan, yes, some issues with textures tho
[05:31] <AlexC_> I can't live without Window groping, I thought that was in Beryl 0.2?!
[05:31] <hidan> i need to load VEGA drivers first.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> the radeon driver works OK on my iBook with a 9200 ati card
[05:32] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh don't worry, i have WinXP for my games.
[05:32] <johnnybuoy> hidan, REMOVE fglrx COMPLETELY from your system
[05:32] <AlexC_> sudo apt-get remove --purge package   will do the trick
[05:32] <johnnybuoy> fglrx is a virus created by ati
[05:32] <hidan> johnnybuoy: well i'd the system freezes before i installed flgrx though.
[05:32] <shirish> akora: you looking for old builds of kernels or old releases of ubuntu?
[05:32] <shirish> hidan: hi
[05:33] <johnnybuoy> ati salespersons should go to hell for making the life of their users so hard
[05:33] <hidan> shirish: hey again...
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: ok I looked at the patebin
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: and sorry to say its a big brain dump
[05:33] <AlexC_> how can I get rid of the Network manager icon? I'm on a wired connection and it always will be,
[05:33] <AlexC_> I don't want that little icon sitting on my tray,
[05:33] <shirish> hidan: what u need to do is figure out which ones are documentation issues
[05:33] <hidan> johnnybuoy: so are you trying to say that the default ATI drivers installed in ubuntu: xserver-xorg-ati are also a cause of system freezes?
[05:33] <hidan> shirish: yeah good point...
[05:34] <shirish> hidan: and put them on the documentation mailing list, not all but 1 at a time
[05:34] <johnnybuoy> hidan, no, those are fine
[05:34] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: make nm-applet nt executable - sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/nm-applet
[05:34] <hidan> johnnybuoy: hmmm strange. i got system freezes even before installing flgrx.
[05:34] <johnnybuoy> hidan, I thought you had fglrx installed
[05:34] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: i have no idea if that will break anything btw ;)
[05:34] <AlexC_> hehe,
[05:35] <shirish> hidan: get some test-cases as there are 4 architectures which ubuntu is supporting so the lowest common commands should be documented, which work on all the archs. or make architecture specific documentation like debian does
[05:35] <AlexC_> I think it would, really
[05:35] <hidan> johnnybuoy: oh i had the system freezes, so i installed flgrx to hopefully correct them.
[05:35] <DanaG> Actually, instead of chmodding it -x,
[05:35] <johnnybuoy> hidan, hmm, then seee with the VESA drivers, if the system freeses with those too, then it's not a VGA issue
[05:35] <thoreauputic> AlexC_: you can uninstall network-manager but upgrades will try to put it back :)
[05:35] <DanaG> you should just go to the sessions thingy and remove it from startup and from the current session.
[05:35] <AlexC_> never!
[05:35] <AlexC_> lol, I'll remove it after Feisty is released then
[05:35] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i wonder, could it be a kernel problem, though?
[05:35] <johnnybuoy> kernel problem?
[05:36] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i don't know, really... i'm out of solutions here.
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hidan, what's your PC's configutarion?
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hardware configuration
[05:36] <hidan> johnnybuoy: though a few days ago, my psu died and i'd to replace it.
[05:36] <johnnybuoy> hidan, and when do the freeses occure
[05:36] <DanaG> Try running it with no parameters, to see what it's all about -- there's a nifty GUI.
[05:37] <hidan> johnnybuoy: gimme a few minutes please.
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> hidan, then I'd also try a memtest
[05:37] <AlexC_> but with sudo apt-get autoremove it does the same job as aptitude,
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> psu = surge protector?
[05:37] <AlexC_> psu = power supply unit,
[05:37] <johnnybuoy> oh
[05:37] <shirish> johnnybuoy: to run an effective memory test, people usually test for hours, I do not think mylady (Hidan) has that much of patience
[05:38] <hidan> shirish: mmm what do you mean by that? :P
[05:38] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:38] <shirish> lol :p I mean u like to get cracking, and memory test is good only when u have an alternative machine so u can play while the testing is being done in the background
[05:39] <hidan> shirish: wow, how'd you know i like to get cracking? :P
[05:39] <johnnybuoy> cracking?
[05:39] <AndyMcM> Hi there, does anyone know when the RC gets released today?
[05:39] <hidan> johnnybuoy: Athlon A64 3000+/Abit AV8/PowerColor 9600 Pro/Corsair ValueSelect PC3200 1GB/WD SATA 80 GB + WD IDE 160 GB/Audigy 2 Value/Benq 1620 Pro + LG DVD-Rom/SilverTeam 520W PSU
[05:40] <shirish> hidan: from the pastebin u posted its enough to know lol :p
[05:40] <hidan> johnnybuoy: freezes occur when I'm using the internet. :P
[05:40] <mastertsunami> holy crap are you kidding me :O
[05:41] <mastertsunami> "Gutsy Gibbon"
[05:41] <mastertsunami> lol
[05:41] <hidan> johnnybuoy: when i'm using firefox, chatting on irc, etc.
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> lol
[05:41] <hidan> gutsy gibbon?!
[05:41] <hidan> where?
[05:41] <AlexC_> mastertsunami: kinda sucks, I thought it was Gusty Gibbon at first ...
[05:41] <johnnybuoy> hidan, so it's "random freeses" ?
[05:41] <shirish> the new name to feisty+1
[05:41] <mastertsunami> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[05:41] <mastertsunami> yeah i thought it was gusty as well
[05:41] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yes...
[05:41] <AlexC_> I want Feisty+1 now =(
[05:41] <sittisal_> i want to be the first ;-)
[05:41] <sittisal_> so i go
[05:41] <sittisal_> ...
[05:41] <sittisal_> hi
[05:41] <AlexC_> morning,
[05:41] <hidan> GUTSY ??! roflmao muhwahahahahaha
[05:42] <sittisal_> when Gusty Gibbon will be relased?
[05:42] <DanaG> s/winder/wonder
[05:42] <sittisal_> i want it now...
[05:42] <sittisal_> eheheh
[05:42] <DanaG> Gusty -- *fart*
[05:42] <shirish> sittisal_: oct 2007
[05:42] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah i'll try running memtest
[05:43] <sittisal_> shirish: i want to know the exact day!
[05:43] <sittisal_> :-)
[05:43] <hidan> johnnybuoy: how many passes do you recommend for the memtest, though?
[05:43] <shirish> sittisal_: you will know in few days
[05:43] <thoreauputic> *sigh* using LP is a pain today
[05:43] <mastertsunami> 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 etc
[05:43] <excitatory_> I've been using/testing out the new feisty for a good week or so.. I noticed that it is due to be released in a week or so.  Once the final is released, would it make more sense to backup ~ and do a fresh install, or would just continuing to use the installed beta be fine?
[05:43] <shirish> yup agree to that
[05:43] <sittisal_> yeah i'm joking
[05:44] <AlexC_> =D
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> hidan, a few hours should give a pretty sure result, I guess, tho ppl say a day at least :$
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> hidan, wait tho, just a sec
[05:44] <shirish> hidan: do u have an alternative system or no?
[05:44] <hidan> shirish: man, i could just borrow someone elses' laptop which has winxp on it...
[05:45] <shirish> ok cool, atleast we would have the pleasure of your company
[05:45] <johnnybuoy> hidan, http://forum.abit-usa.com/archive/index.php/t-72512.html this could help?
[05:45] <hidan> johnnybuoy: i actually ran memtest before i installed feisty. however, it ran for only 1 pass before i got annoyed and remembered how long memtest takes to run.
[05:45] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:46] <AnRkey> ok outa here
[05:46] <hidan> johnnybuoy: geez, could be hardware issues, eh? urk i sweat at the idea of opening up my pc =P
[05:46] <hidan> shirish: oh thank you xD
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> hidan, check on google for: abit av8 random lockup or random freeze
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> should give you a couple of results
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> sorry, but I have to go now
[05:47] <johnnybuoy> ciao
[05:48] <hidan> johnnybuoy: okay thank you for your help!
[05:48] <hidan> thanks :D
[05:48] <hidan> on the other hand, i could run from winxp and see what happens
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> yeah, if it's hardware issues, it should come up in windoze too
[05:48] <hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah true... :)
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> kewl, see y'all
[05:49] <hidan> thx and bye :D
[05:49] <shirish> hidan: you just bought this machine or assembled it?
[05:49] <shirish> hidan: its a desktop, right?
[05:49] <hidan> shirish: eh it's a desktop and it was assembled about 2 years ago.
[05:50] <hidan> not assembled by me but by the shop i bought the stuff at, though.
[05:50] <DanaG> I wish Nautilus would stop opening ~ at every single login!
[05:50] <shirish> hidan: it could be anything actually from memory starting to fail to the CMOS battery going dead.
[05:51] <shirish> hidan: how is your clock holding or you have set it to sync with time server (UTC) ?
[05:51] <hidan> shirish: yeah true... however we had the system tested at a hardware repair shop yesterday.
[05:51] <DanaG> WTFhell? "Open link in browser" in Gaim isn't working~!
[05:51] <shirish> DanaG: are u sure you did all your updates?
[05:51] <hidan> shirish: mmmm the clock tends to be a bit off whenever i install ubuntu
[05:52] <hidan> oops
[05:52] <hidan> i mean whenever i run ubuntu off the live cd.
[05:53] <shirish> what about the clock in xp or that in the BIOS
[05:53] <andre_pl> does anyone here have a Texas Intruments 5in1 card working with the current feisty kernel?
[05:54] <hidan> shirish: clock in xp and bios are okay.
[05:54] <clever> bug 88430
[05:54] <clever> !bug 88430
[05:54] <shirish> hidan: then probably your memory is failing, and the guys at hardware shop cannot test memory
[05:55] <hidan> shirish: huh... we'll see.
[05:55] <shirish> clever: launchpad is buggy today so ubotu cannot help much
[05:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 88430 in module-init-tools "[feisty]  broken rtl818x and rtl8187 modules loaded at boot time" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88430
[05:55] <clever> shirish: ahhh
[05:55] <shirish> lol, it was not working before
[05:55] <hidan> shirish: after all, there're a million reasons why something can freeze. :/
[05:55] <clever> i forgot the link to the site
[05:55] <Gambaroni> I've been trying to install Ubuntu using PXE. I've followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?action=show&redirect=PXEInstall and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html. I get an IP, but when TFTP tries to fetch data, it says: "TFTP open timeout".
[05:56] <clever> shirish: my rtl card had its module blacklisted causing minor problems
[05:56] <shirish> hidan: true but one of the most common reasons for freezing is memory failures, then of course there is the grounding issue as described there
[05:56] <clever> but commenting the blacklist 'fixed' it
[05:56] <clever> but ive now noticed that its become unstable
[05:56] <shirish> clever: you have a realtek ethernet card?
[05:56] <clever> once every 10-20mins the network seems to fully die
[05:56] <clever> and after 10 seconds it comes back to life
[05:56] <hidan> shirish: interestingly enough, though, when I stopped using all browsers built on mozilla, i only had one freeze after that. And that was when ah... i was right-clicking on something.
[05:56] <clever> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)
[05:57] <shirish> clever: ok cool, are u sure its not the network-manager applet which is showing u this, have u checked the network monitor?
[05:57] <clever> i have a network moniter icon on the gnome-panel
[05:57] <clever> and the icon is changing when i notice a delay in ssh sessions
[05:58] <clever> the delay i beleive is caused by sudden 100% packet loss
[05:58] <DanaG> Gibbon is fine, but "Gutsy" is a bit odd.
[05:58] <shirish> clever: odd, it never happened to me, but then mine worked fine for the moment go
[05:58] <clever> after a few seconds it comes back to working
[05:58] <shirish> clever: could it be a DNS server issue perhaps?
[05:58] <clever> you would ned to be monitering it very close
[05:58] <clever> isnt dns
[05:58] <clever> all tcp connections suddenly freeze
[05:59] <DanaG> I have a IT 5in1.
[05:59] <shirish> clever: i have both the system monitor as well as network monitor so it shows my network connections easy
[05:59] <DanaG> There are many duplicate bugs about it not working.
[05:59] <hidan> shirish: oh well... gotta complain about about computers sometimes.
[05:59] <clever> i think these lines from dmesg may be part of the cause
[05:59] <clever> [44328.304000]  rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 10 bf failed!
[05:59] <shirish> clever: perhaps you can try one thing, try downloading some torrent something which has lotta seeds
[05:59] <clever> [44826.096000]  rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 3 20 failed!
[05:59] <clever> i can seed a torrent
[06:00] <clever> allready got the file on the pc
[06:00] <clever> but i can cause much more trafic if i use somethign on the local lan
[06:00] <Gambaroni> Someone?
[06:00] <clever> network maxing out:)
[06:01] <shirish> clever: which means the network card is ok as well as ubuntu is talking cool
[06:01] <clever> im also running a graph thru X11 forwarding
[06:01] <shirish> clever: it might be the ssh thing which might be the issue
[06:01] <clever> which updates once a second
[06:01] <clever> i think irc also freezes too
[06:01] <hidan> shirish: hmmm... man. do you think i should try running from an older kernel version of feisty? see if it still freezes?
[06:02] <shirish> clever: mine is an 8139 & it works like a charm
[06:02] <DanaG> How can I get apt to prefer one mirror over another mirror?
[06:02] <shirish> hidan: that is also a possibility
[06:02] <DanaG> I want to use both us.archive.ubuntu.com, and another mirror, which is local but often out of date.
[06:03] <clever> i have a gnome-panel running thru X11 forwarding to moniter another box
[06:03] <shirish> DanaG: lemme know if you find answer to a riddle like that
[06:03] <hidan> shirish: okay thank you. xD
[06:03] <clever> shirish: oops i think my ctrlproxy also crashed:P
[06:03] <hidan> shirish: think i'll go reinstall my graphic drivers now. :)  see you soon! :)
[06:03] <shirish> clever: i have no idea about forwarding
[06:03] <clever> yep got the core dump i was looking for
[06:03] <shirish> hidan: take care babe ;)
[06:03] <clever> diff problem
[06:04] <clever> the forwarded X11 prog also freezes when the ssh sessions freeze
[06:04] <hidan> shirish: ty XD
[06:04] <clever> making me think all packets over the wifi are crashing
[06:04] <shirish> clever: ah its a wireless chip, I was thinking it was ethernet wired chipset
[06:04] <blackest> anyone know why gnome after logging out brings up the login screen twice?
[06:04] <clever> shirish: yeah wireless
[06:05] <clever> 802.11 B
[06:05] <shirish> clever: did not know realtek is also making wireless chipsets
[06:05] <clever> its labled as linksys on the card itself
[06:05] <zeroflag> hmmm.
[06:05] <clever> but its allways been a rtl module working since 6.06
[06:05] <zeroflag> now I got mirc running on linux...
[06:05] <zeroflag> and it's slow...
[06:05] <shirish> clever: are u from India by any chance? Linksys is big here
[06:05] <clever> shirish: canada:P
[06:05] <shirish> zeroflag: why mirc when gaim is here :P
[06:06] <zeroflag> question is: is it a) mIRC, b) gnome, c) wine or d) a combination...
[06:06] <clever> gaim is crappy for irc
[06:06] <zeroflag> shirish: because gaim doesn't like my bnc.
[06:06] <clever> i perfer irssi for irc on linux
[06:06] <shirish> clever: I like it much thank you
[06:06] <clever> zeroflag: my bnc is core dumping randomly atm:P
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh, I see, swiftfox had made itself default.
[06:07] <DanaG> I removed swiftfox because no pango == ugly text.
[06:07] <DanaG> bnc?  What's that?
[06:07] <clever> the bnc program connects to irc
[06:07] <zeroflag> hmm.
[06:07] <clever> and then the irc client connects to the bnc
[06:08] <zeroflag> my beryl sometimes turns every window black.
[06:08] <clever> and if your irc client closes your nick stays online
[06:08] <zeroflag> including menus and everything.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> DanaG: I can't see the point of swiftfox - a few about:config tweaks do pretty much the same thing
[06:08] <zeroflag> always have to restart X. :/
[06:08] <zeroflag> any idea?
[06:08] <clever> shirish: got a clock running thru X11 forwarding now
[06:08] <DanaG> Same here -- it was not significantly faster.
[06:08] <DanaG> Now, if I could get a Firefox 3 deb.....
[06:08] <clever> shirish: and its set to show seconds so i'll notice when it starts to freeze
[06:08] <DanaG> that one IS faster.
[06:09] <shirish> DanaG: how do u know its faster?
[06:09] <BluesKaj> !python
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <DanaG> Or, at least, it doesn't freeze as much.
[06:09] <tovella> clever: wow, i had a flashback to the days of old - when bnc was reference to an old network card connector (band N collar) i think.
[06:09] <thoreauputic> zeroflag: are you using an nvidia card? There's a setting in beryl prefs that causes black screening with nvidia
[06:09] <clever> lol
[06:09] <clever> yeah i think i still have a few bnc network connectors
[06:09] <DanaG> Try using Adblock Plus, and open 10 tabs of http://dailytech.com
[06:10] <DanaG> I still think BNC is a connector.
[06:10] <frandavid100> hiya!
[06:10] <DanaG> What else would it be?
[06:10] <frandavid100> how can I make Openoffice use the tango icons?
[06:10] <zeroflag> thoreauputic: yeah I'm using nvidia. where's that option?
[06:10] <andre_pl> beryl stopped working for me recently. over the past 2 or 3 dyas worth of updates probably.
[06:10] <crdlb> !blackwindows-#ubuntu-effects | zeroflag
[06:10] <ubotu> zeroflag: This essentially happens when you run out of video memory. The only known workaround for this until it is fixed in the nVidia driver is to start beryl with --use-copy or "Copy Rendering" from beryl-manager.
[06:10] <tovella> DanaG: i don't think anybody uses it anymore, though.
[06:10] <shirish> DanaG: i am already running Adblock Plus & do have 10 tabs of sites
[06:10] <thoreauputic> zeroflag: I'll have to dig...
[06:11] <clever> and there locks up the network
[06:11] <clever> was dead for atleast 15 seconds
[06:11] <DanaG> BNC is also used for long runs of VGA.
[06:11] <clever> and when the X11 forwarded clock came to life a couple irc msgs poped up at once
[06:12] <thoreauputic> zeroflag: it says users with this problem should turn off blur effects
[06:12] <zeroflag> crdlb: my graphics card has 320MB of ram. I doubt beryl fills that within minutes.
[06:12] <zeroflag> thoreauputic: already did that.
[06:12] <clever> shirish: got tail -f on a log file which i beleive is related
[06:12] <crdlb> zeroflag, nvidia's driver has a broken t_f_p implementation
[06:12] <thoreauputic> zeroflag: OK - well I don't know then, sorry
[06:12] <crdlb> it does
[06:13] <crdlb> zeroflag, if you're not using 9755 (nvidia-glx-new) and your card supports it, I'd upgrade
[06:13] <crdlb> 9755 doesn't fix the problem, but it helps it
[06:13] <tovella> i see that 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is back to detecting video cards.
[06:14] <shirish> clever: I have no ideas about wireless cards, sorry
[06:14] <clever> k
[06:14] <zeroflag> crdlb: just 3 hours ago I compiled the newest driver package myself.
[06:15] <crdlb> zeroflag, you installed it manually?
[06:15] <crdlb> you realize it's in the repos right?
[06:15] <zeroflag> crdlb: I have no idea why the package didn't work. I probably forgot to load it into kernel or something...
[06:15] <hidan> heh
[06:16] <SlimeyPete> you have to run nvidia-xconfig after installing the package.
[06:16] <zeroflag> that doesn't upgrade the kernel afaik.
[06:16] <SlimeyPete> I dunno why apt doesn't just do that for you tbh
[06:16] <SlimeyPete> no, indeed. Just xorg.conf
[06:16] <zeroflag> my xorg.conf is perfect as it is.
[06:16] <SlimeyPete> but the package should install the kernel module, in theory.
[06:16] <zeroflag> I don't want that stupid tool to mess with it, again.
[06:17] <zeroflag> well, it "installs" it. but the kernel doesn't care/use it.
[06:17] <crdlb> did you install l-r-m-generic ?
[06:17] <wolfeon> will the 7.04 release have subpixel rendering enabled?(cleartype)
[06:17] <zeroflag> I think it's a dependency of the nvidia package.
[06:17] <SlimeyPete> zeroflag: sometimes the restricted-modules package gets out-of-sync with the nvidia package in feisty, maybe that's happened again.
[06:17] <zeroflag> but yes, I had the restricted modules.
[06:18] <zeroflag> well, the kernel module was some ancient 7xxx version, X module was 9755.
[06:18] <zeroflag> had to compile it myself to get kernel to 9755.
[06:18] <usher_> Something is going haywire with my computer screen
[06:18] <usher_> locking up and crazy lines going across it
[06:18] <usher_> have had to rebstart it manually 4 or 5 times in the last hour
[06:19] <SlimeyPete> does this happen in Windows?
[06:19] <usher_> SlimeyPete: no
[06:19] <shirish> I just tried irssi & did not like it all, just like xchat, very plain jane, I am sure though there are hidden jewels once people get into it
[06:20] <SlimeyPete> usher_: what graphics card? Sounds like a driver bug.
[06:20] <hylje> irssi is very simple
[06:20] <hylje> but it indeed has hidden jewels
[06:20] <SlimeyPete> also, you can run it in screen :)
[06:21] <wolfeon> hmm
[06:21] <hylje> screen++
[06:21] <wolfeon> subpixel rendering isn't activated by default?
[06:22] <wolfeon> I mean
[06:22] <wolfeon> compiled in
[06:22] <usher_> SlimeyPete: the only time it happens in windows is when I have too much power being pulled from the PSU, for example - if I plug all 7 of my fans in, and then try to play a PC game.. it does this, but in Linux it just started happening yesterday and today
[06:22] <usher_> NVIDIA GS 6800
[06:22] <usher_> it never did this w/ previous versions of Ubuntu
[06:23] <usher_> If I put my resolution in 800x600, I don't seem to have the problem - but if I put it back in 1024x768, it happens again
[06:23] <usher_> SlimeyPete: run it in screen ?
[06:23] <usher_> I use Xchat
[06:26] <treq> anyone been able to install vmware 1.02 on feisty?
[06:26] <SlimeyPete> usher_: yeah. Google for "gnu screen". It's a program which allows you to open a virtual terminal (or 2, or 3, or 9....), execute programs within said terminal and then detach & leave the programs running in the background. When you re-attach the screen, all your programs pop back up.
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> usher_: I use it to keep my irssi session running 24/7. I can log in from anywhere and re-attach to the same irssi :)
[06:27] <usher_> hmm cool idea
[06:31] <feistyman> does anyone know the code for the real audio plugin?
[06:32] <hidan> omg i sorta borked up my monitor's resolution settings when resetting xorg.conf  how do i reset it?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> feistyman: nobody but Real know the code for real audio - it's closed
[06:33] <thoreauputic> feistyman: or did I misunderstand you?
[06:33] <feistyman> I mean, for ther plugin
[06:33] <feistyman> Thoreauputic, I want it to work with the totom player
[06:34] <shirish> ok guys anybody here knows about info?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> feistyman: I have the best luck with mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer plugin
[06:34] <feistyman> ok
[06:34] <thoreauputic> feistyman: on feisty the totem plugin does not do what it says on the tin, for me
[06:35] <feistyman> Thoreauputic, did you delete totem from your system, or is it still there, not being used much?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> feistyman: there used to be a totem-xine ff plugin, but as far as I can tell it no longer exists
[06:36] <thoreauputic> feistyman: i use totem - I just uninstalled the totem plugin
[06:36] <thoreauputic> feistyman: totem works quite well 'standalone"
[06:36] <feistyman> So you get all your stuff thru Mplayer?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> in firefox, mosly yes
[06:37] <thoreauputic> mostly
[06:37] <thoreauputic> feistyman: for files I use whatever works best - vlc, mplayer or totem
[06:38] <feistyman> If I download mplayer, will it play real audio files?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> feistyman: on my iBook laptop with feisty, vlc seems best for DVDs
[06:38] <thoreauputic> feistyman: mplayer can play real media, yes
[06:39] <thoreauputic> feistyman: perhaps not all ( i don't know)
[06:39] <SlimeyPete> if you install the w32codecs (naughty naughty), mplayer will have a pretty good go at most files. It used to do realaudio last time I tried but that was ages ago and Real may have changed their format since.
[06:39] <thoreauputic> feistyman: there is also a non-free real player of course
[06:40] <thoreauputic> SlimeyPete: well, it plays the BBC and the .au ABC real audio streams at least :)
[06:40] <SlimeyPete> :)
[06:40] <feistyman> Is there a free linux real audio player?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> SlimeyPete: actually mplayer seems to use ffmpeg for most of the win and real streams now
[06:41] <thoreauputic> feistyman: free as in beer, yes
[06:41] <thoreauputic> feistyman: unfree as in freedom
[06:41] <feistyman> got it.
[06:42] <thoreauputic> SlimeyPete: I can even play them on ppc without w32codecs, mostly :)
[06:42] <feistyman> I'm downloading mplayer now
[06:42] <thoreauputic> mplayer for i386-686 etc is very good
[06:43] <thoreauputic> the current ppc version is borked ( I rolled my own on the iBook)
[06:45] <hidan> oh man is there anybody here who knows how to reset your monitor sync rates and stuff in xorg.conf ?
[06:45] <poningru> hidan: dpkg-reconfigure -priority=high xorg-server
[06:46] <poningru> or not sure about that package name though
[06:46] <poningru> so it might be something like xorg-server-common or soemthing
[06:46] <lazka> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:46] <jussi01> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:46] <thoreauputic> that's xserver-xorg and I would use -plow
[06:46] <thoreauputic> -phigh does almost nothing :)
[06:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:47] <zeroflag> hmm, I can't mount my ntfs volumes...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[06:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:47] <zeroflag> Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy.
[06:47] <lazka> zeroflag, have you tried ntfs-config
[06:47] <shirish> does anybody know if info is being deprecated or something?
[06:47] <shirish> !info
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <gils> i am having issues with aMSN suddenly....cant it get it to load properly. and it takes 90% processor power
[06:48] <gils> any new issues with aMSN?
[06:48] <PWill> woo! Gutsy Gibbon!
[06:48] <elvirolo> gils: let me try
[06:48] <thoreauputic> shirish: if you mean the GNU info pages, Debian distros don't seem to use them much
[06:48] <feistyman> thoreauputic, I can't get mplayer to play anything. it opens, but there is no sound
[06:48] <thoreauputic> feistyman: what architecture are you on? 386?
[06:48] <shirish> thoreauputic: yup that was what I meant, for sometimes man is not enough :(
[06:49] <feistyman> yes
[06:49] <imdz> my network doesn't work, i have to use "sudo /etc/init.d/networking force-reload" to make it work :\
[06:49] <gils> hmmmm works ok now. Forget it
[06:49] <thoreauputic> shirish: i think the GNU home pages have links to most of the info manuals
[06:49] <hidan> okay thank you guys, i will restart X and see if things work.
[06:49] <thoreauputic> feistyman: other players are giving you sound?
[06:49] <shirish> thoreauputic: I was thinking how I can have them on the hdd, so I can read about them, I do have the info package installed
[06:49] <feistyman> yes
[06:50] <thoreauputic> feistyman: have you installed all the codecs you might need ?
[06:50] <elvirolo> has anyone experienced occasional freezes?
[06:50] <gils> can i VNC and SSH into ubuntu simultaneously?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> !codecs | feistyman
[06:50] <ubotu> feistyman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:50] <feistyman> what codecs? I installed a bunch that work with totem. Would they be the same?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> gils: i don't see why not - they are separate servers
[06:51] <gils> ok great thanks
[06:51] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with cupsys ?
[06:51] <shirish> hidan: no progress ?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> feistyman: read the page ubotu linked above
[06:51] <lazka> something about launchpad: how do I get devs to have a look at my bug..
[06:51] <feistyman> ok
[06:51] <gils> later folks, much appreciated as always.
[06:51] <shirish> lazka: point a gun at them :P
[06:52] <zeroflag> is there any way to make nautilus use sudo for mounting?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> feistyman: you might want to install w32codecs ( if it's legal in your part of the world, of course... *grin*)
[06:52] <finalbeta> lazka: get lucky. Just try to add as much information you can (that can be usefull)
[06:52] <feistyman> ok
[06:52] <elvirolo> I hope the final release with be delayed, because there are still loads of bugs to fix...
[06:53] <lazka> finalbeta, i got >10 people having the same problems and 4 duplicates.. but no dev comment :(
[06:53] <hidan> shirish: huh going to install the updates now...
[06:53] <shirish> hidan: cool
[06:53] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: there are always loads of bugs to fix...
[06:53] <finalbeta> lazka: the resume image bug?
[06:53] <shirish> lazka: what is the bug?
[06:53] <lazka> finalbeta, no.. LITE-ON drives don't work with the current kernel
[06:54] <shirish> bugs > developers
[06:54] <elvirolo> thoreauputic: yes, but this time some of them are really critical ... feisty completely freezes from time to time for many people
[06:54] <shirish> lazka: damn, you had to say that, I have a LITE-ON drive which hasn't been tried yet
[06:54] <lazka> XD
[06:54] <Zambezi> After upgrading my server to Fesity, Feisty thinks my ATA-drives are SCSI. Why?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: yes - I know for example there have been X issues with nvidia drivers etc
[06:55] <elvirolo> thoreauputic: yup
[06:55] <lazka> shirish, i don't know if it affects every LITE-ON but they are the only ones
[06:55] <shirish> Zambezi: there has been a name change
[06:55] <finalbeta> lazka: That's probably because of the "neww" libata. Personally my laptop doesn't boot if I have my CD drive in it. Feisty is going to be a regression when it comes to hardware support. I'm sure the devs are looking at it though.
[06:55] <shirish> !uuid
[06:55] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:55] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: the nvidia drivers have been rolled back to an earlier version because of this
[06:55] <hidan> shirish: yeah finally fixed my video card issues. Also, hmmm... bah. oh, i just recalled something again... yesterday, after we brought the computer home from the pc repair shop, i found out the graphics card wasn't seated properly so there were problems trying to boot up the pc into ubuntu.
[06:55] <Zambezi> shatrat, So it's still right? No need to worry?
[06:56] <elvirolo> thoreauputic: well my system freezes after some time, but i don't have an nvidia card
[06:56] <feistyman> thoreauputic, how do i install the w32codecs ?
[06:56] <hidan> shirish: man, i wonder if i corrupted the drivers or if the card has issues now. :p
[06:56] <shatrat> Zambezi, panic
[06:56] <Mena> the knetwork manager has been updated but yet it wont conect
[06:56] <shirish> Zambezi: its shirish nope, nothing to worry
[06:56] <lazka> finalbeta, i still dont know why they activated libata just 1 version before RC...
[06:56] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs | feistyman
[06:56] <ubotu> feistyman: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:56] <shirish> lazka: I think it was done in edgy not now
[06:56] <zeroflag> wtf? why don't I have permission to use my freshly mounted hdds?
[06:56] <shirish> atleast from the wiki
[06:57] <shirish> zeroflag: did u upgrade?
[06:57] <finalbeta> shirish: looking at the specs page and the timing of the sda versus hda thing, I would say it was done little over a month ago.
[06:57] <Mena> i mean it says no network device found although i am conected to the internet
[06:57] <feistyman> thoreauputic, is !w32codecs supposed to come up in the add / remove programs area?
[06:57] <lazka> zeroflag, so, did you try ntfs-config? it will configure everything so you will have permissions even with usb-harddisks..
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mena: known bug - it usually shows correctly if you disconnect/connect
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mena: not nice though, i know
[06:58] <shirish> finalbeta: did not look at that close
[06:58] <Mena> thoreauputic, OK
[06:58] <thoreauputic> feistyman: no
[06:58] <shirish> finalbeta: although it still needs lot of work to be done for hdd performance to increase
[06:58] <thoreauputic> feistyman: it's legally dodgy
[06:59] <finalbeta> shirish: Performance it the least of my worries, I would love it if my machines booted.
[06:59] <feistyman> So I'm not sure what to do then.
[06:59] <zeroflag> lazka: I had to run it via sudo so I guess it set it up for root.
[06:59] <hidan> shirish: man this is why i hate computers sometimes... so many problems, so many things to fix. :/
[06:59] <thoreauputic> feistyman: but installing it is trivial - just follow ubotu's link
[06:59] <shirish> hidan: love them, hate them cannot live without them
[07:00] <lazka> zeroflag, hmm.. sudo is normal.. weird
[07:00] <shirish> finalbeta: so they are not booting, are u able to chroot to them?
[07:00] <hidan> shirish: Auughhh... it's like... the nightmare case of the mother-in-law
[07:00] <shirish> hidan: lucky me no m-i-l ;)
[07:00] <lazka> zeroflag, did you reboot?
[07:00] <hidan> shirish: same here
[07:00] <thoreauputic> feistyman: just download seveas' package and double click it - gdebi should pop up and ask you if you want to install it
[07:01] <hidan> shirish: i have no intentions of getting married for life. xD
[07:01] <thoreauputic> feistyman: read the wiki page ubotu's factoid pointed at
[07:01] <finalbeta> shirish: If I remove the CD drive it boots. It also has 2 others stalls in the boot process making it take over 20 minutes to boot up with CD drive, and +-3 minutes without.
[07:01] <shirish> hidan: same here
[07:01] <shirish> finalbeta: so that is the bug, here it works without any issues, actually I mounted couple of CDs and they came out alright
[07:02] <zeroflag> lazka: do I have to? oO
[07:02] <shirish> finalbeta: I have a lite-on DVD-drive
[07:02] <finalbeta> shirish: yeah, I know....
[07:02] <treq> why i can't find gnome-system-monitor on the repositories? are they removed in fiesty?
[07:02] <hidan> shirish: to all those pro-abstinence people, mmm... i just hope they didn't get more than they bargained for, if everyone decides to NOT marry ever lol
[07:02] <feistyman> Thoreauputic, I don't see anything there for feisty
[07:02] <shirish> hidan: lol, not by a long-shot , its like doing the pro bono cases
[07:03] <thoreauputic> treq: System - Administration - system Monitor
[07:03] <lazka> zeroflag, i think so... at least i worked here.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> treq: it's there by default....
[07:03] <lazka> zeroflag, *it
[07:03] <_Neil> No pidgin? What /is/ fiesty+1?
[07:03] <_Neil> Like SP1 or something?
[07:03] <shirish> further I do think we are masochists , the free software guys, like little bit of pain
[07:03] <hidan> shirish: pro bono ? what does that have to do with pro abstinence?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> feistyman: the codecs are just codecs - you can install any w32codecs packae - preferably the most recent one
[07:04] <shirish> hidan: pro bono cases are those cases which are fought by lawyers without charging money
[07:04] <_Neil> What exactly is fiesty+1?
[07:04] <_Neil> SP1?
[07:04] <hidan> shirish: aye i know what that be but... what's that to do with pro-abstinence, man?
[07:04] <shirish> just a moment
[07:04] <hidan> feisty +1 = gutsty gibbon!
[07:04] <thoreauputic> feistyman: I used one I already had from dapper or edgy, I forget which :)
[07:04] <jean> good afternoon folks
[07:04] <shirish> _Neil: ubuntu as well as many of the linux distros. follow a 6 month regiment
[07:04] <lazka> _Neil, 7.10
[07:05] <shirish> _Neil: regimen
[07:05] <feistyman> I'll see what I can do.
[07:05] <_Neil> ok, thanks guys
[07:05] <_Neil> :)
[07:05] <shirish> _Neil: which means the newest programs in development people get to see every 6 months
[07:05] <thoreauputic> feistyman: just grab the .deb, download, install
[07:05] <_Neil> yeah
[07:06] <shirish> The MS people have a long head-start so we have to play catch-them & leap forward
[07:06] <feistyman> I'm still looking thru all this stuff to find it
[07:06] <jean> I just finished my upgrade to 7.10 and I am having some difficulties,   when it restarts I get a prompt telling me that apt is not available and to apt-get install apt ...   which doesn'T work,  and I have to  type reboot  to get into the desktop,   my /home partition doesn't get mounted and I am basicaly stuck in the default install, more or less
[07:07] <shirish> hidan: lost the logic now, it was there a moment ago, I must be aging by the second now
[07:07] <jean> odly enought my passwork /usr name still work
[07:07] <hidan> shirish: yeah i got kinda confused too lol
[07:07] <lazka> jean, maybe check your fstab
[07:07] <shirish> anyway my excuse is I have not found the woman of my dreams, whats yours?
[07:08] <jean> lazka,  fstab is still as it is , # Entry for /dev/sda3 :
[07:08] <jean> UUID=4bbfa114-beb5-4512-b071-393396006db8 /home ext3 defaults 0 2
[07:08] <hidan> shirish: none... all the problems about AIDS/STDS, etc. geez... these days, it's frightening. :p
[07:09] <jean> lazka,  actually none of my partitions seem to mount where they are suppose to
[07:09] <shirish> ah you mean the other things, no I meant the M word - marriage, that kinda shocks the system
[07:09] <lazka> jean, hm.. i remember seeing similar bugreports in launchpad..
[07:09] <hidan> shirish: hmph not interested in either gender :p
[07:09] <jean> lazka,  can you direct me to launcpad ?
[07:10] <shirish> !launchpad | jean
[07:10] <ubotu> jean: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[07:10] <shirish> hidan: same here but that is because I am obsessed with ubuntu atm, when I go trekking, travelling its a different matter altogether
[07:10] <hidan> shirish: ahaha i see ^^
[07:11] <thoreauputic> feistyman: this should work: wget http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/edgy-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[07:11] <shirish> yup, also give some tutions sometimes to get pocket money on open source
[07:11] <lazka> jean, launchpad is damn slow here today.. takes almost 2 minutes for one page..
[07:11] <shirish> lazka: same here :(
[07:11] <lazka> jean, jsut search for the errormessage
[07:11] <jean> lazka,  any suggestion for a search string ?
[07:11] <jean> thanks
[07:12] <shirish> hidan: I love open spaces, especially mountains
[07:12] <jean> I'm gonna need to reboot
[07:12] <feistyman> Thoreauputic, I installed the codes. It says it was successful. I haven't been able to see if it works yet. The site I tried, was a "no." I wish I could text another
[07:12] <jean> thanks
[07:13] <hidan> shirish: lucky you. :p Singapore doesn't have mountains and it's soo hot most times of the year, most people prefer to be where the air-conditioning is.
[07:13] <thoreauputic> feistyman: you restarted firefox, right ? and you installed mozilla-mplayer?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> feistyman: you need mozilla-mplayer as well ( it isn't magic)
[07:13] <shirish> hidan: perhaps in few months I might be re-locating to a place which is nearer to the Himalayas, although mountains are also near me, but Himalayas are way way better
[07:13] <feistyman> I installed mplayer, from the add / remove area of ubunut
[07:13] <feistyman> ubuntu
[07:14] <hidan> shirish: you kidding me?! btw, were you born in India or some other country? :)
[07:14] <feistyman> Is that good enough, or should it come from somewhere else.
[07:14] <thoreauputic> feistyman:  type   sudo aptitude install mozilla-,player  in a terminal
[07:14] <shirish> hidan: born, bred & loving it Indian
[07:14] <thoreauputic> um that should be moxailla-mplayer, sorry feistyman
[07:15] <thoreauputic> feistyman: that was wrong too :)
[07:15] <feistyman> can you type it again
[07:15] <thoreauputic> feistyman:  mozilla-mplayer
[07:15] <Lunar_Lamp> I've just upgraded to feisty on my server install, from edgy.  I have a /boot partition then a LVM2 setup.  I can't boot now as it just doesn't recognise the partition for some reason.
[07:15] <shirish> feistyman: it should be sudo aptitude install mozilla-mplayer guys
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sudo aptitude install mozilla-mplayer
[07:15] <hidan> shirish: huh...
[07:15] <_Neil> Can I download a live CD to test feisty?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> shirish: yeah, i need typing lessons ;)
[07:16] <_Neil> Anyone :D
[07:16] <shirish> !uuid | Lunar_Lamp
[07:16] <ubotu> Lunar_Lamp: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:16] <busfahrer> _Neil: Sure, check ubuntu.com
[07:16] <shirish> hidan: sorry had to digress there, means I am an indian
[07:16] <hidan> shirish: for me, sometimes, i wonder why i was born in Singapore. Okay, life here is pretty good but man, in terms of civil rights and press freedom, we're pretty bad. How about this, man? it's like we're 40++ points above North korea in terms of press freedom. :p
[07:17] <hidan> shirish: oh i actually got you. just that my sentence was pretty long.
[07:17] <feistyman> Thanks, I installed it. I guess I'll give it a whirl
[07:17] <_Neil> busfahrer: Can I only get the beta as livecd, or the RC too?
[07:17] <_Neil> oh my bad, the RC was rejected wasnt it?
[07:17] <shirish> hidan: I heard you the other day, we are pretty good here but that I guess I said that day also
[07:17] <thoreauputic> feistyman: that combo should work for most sites
[07:17] <mcobden> Hi
[07:17] <hidan> shirish: ah sorry, my brains just don't remember much.
[07:17] <busfahrer> _Neil: Sorry, not sure about that
[07:17] <shirish> _Neil: you can get a current CD if you want to download
[07:17] <lazka> _Neil, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:18] <feistyman> I'm trying. Thanks for your help
[07:18] <thoreauputic> feistyman: no worries - do read the restricted formats wiki page though
[07:18] <_Neil> thanks guys, assuming I can run update manager even though its a livecd to get it up to the latest?
[07:18] <lazka> _Neil, that's probably RC
[07:18] <feistyman> ok
[07:18] <thoreauputic> !restricted > feistyman
[07:18] <leth_> heh, hello again
[07:18] <_Neil> lazka: Ty
[07:18] <shirish> hidan: no issue, but I am pretty much aware about gender equality, civil rights, environmental protection
[07:19] <leth_> has anyone got xdmcp working in feisty
[07:19] <feistyman> Ok, is there a place you'd suggest to test it" a web site
[07:19] <thoreauputic> feistyman: if you are registered that should send you a /msg from ubotu
[07:19] <shirish> _Neil: you can
[07:19] <feistyman> got it, thanks
[07:19] <thoreauputic> feistyman: try trailers.apple.com for quicktime
[07:19] <leth_> i think it's got the listening on ipv6 bug
[07:19] <shirish> leth_: what is an xdmcp?
[07:19] <hidan> shirish: yeah... however, here... ugh, many of the pple could care less. It's actually a cultural issue and also how the govt treats its' people, that causes their attitudes though
[07:20] <feistyman> how about real audio?
[07:20] <leth_> remote desktop kindof thing
[07:20] <Lunar_Lamp> shirish, I'm reading the info files, and am a little stuck still - thanks for the pointer, I'll have a try.
[07:20] <AnRkey> is anyone else finding launchpad slow today?
[07:20] <leth_> bah
[07:20] <leth_> woops
[07:20] <thoreauputic> feistyman: other sites that have "windows media" I'm hazy about...
[07:20] <shirish> hidan: you should sometime come here & check out India & check out our press
[07:20] <shirish> hidan: actually there are tonnes of Indian newspapers on-line if you wanna try that out
[07:20] <thoreauputic> feistyman: the BBC use Real codecs for streaming music
[07:21] <feistyman> well, I give it a try. Thanks a lot
[07:21] <leth_> ookay, not quite sure what i clicked there
[07:21] <lazka> AnRkey, if they would send me each site by mail it would be faster
[07:21] <shirish> AnRkey: launchpad is weak today
[07:21] <thoreauputic> feistyman: no worries - good luck :)
[07:21] <hidan> shirish: why? lol press freedom, huh? I do know there've been problems in India like clashes between hindus and muslims but otherwise, your press is quite free, eh? :P
[07:21] <feistyman> you too. Thanks again!!!
[07:21] <treq> how do i disable control+alt+delete from the shutdown console? i saw a guide for edgy but it doesn't work on fiesty for some reason...
[07:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:21] <leth_> alternatively, does anyone know where the gdm alternative od Xaccess is
[07:21] <AnRkey> shirish: any idea why?
[07:21] <leth_> of*
[07:22] <shirish> hidan: yup we do have clashes between classes & castes, but the press & media are free to make movies, write about it, publish it
[07:22] <Do``> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374 <- i'm trying to follow this guide to be able to use the extra buttons on my logitech mouse, but the 2nd point saying install 'IMWheel' via apt says ( for sudo apt-get install imwheel ) there's no package like that.. could someone help me?
[07:22] <AnRkey> is it on the same bank of servers as the repos or something?
[07:22] <shirish> AnRkey: no idea m8 same boat
[07:22] <hidan> shirish: huh, here it's like... oh man... lol.
[07:22] <AnRkey> ha ok
[07:22] <AnRkey> it's sinking man!
[07:22] <shirish> hidan: I can give two instances of recent history
[07:23] <shirish> hidan: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parzania
[07:23] <shirish> hidan: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_%282005_film%29
[07:23] <aaroncampbell> My wireless network connection has started being re-enabled constantly (I disable it, and a little later I see it enabled again).  I'm using Kubuntu Feisty
[07:24] <leth_> so, my client doesn't like the channel
[07:24] <leth_> so irssi it is
[07:24] <shirish> aaroncampbell: I have seen some bug reports of that, dont remember what it was though
[07:24] <hidan> shirish: wow, you guys are allowed to tackle sensitive topics. Here, if the government doesn't like what you say: they threaten to sue you.
[07:25] <shirish> hidan: what do u mean allowed, we demand its our right
[07:25] <shirish> hidan: of course there are still issues which are still not talked about
[07:25] <hidan> shirish: that's because, in Singapore there're a lot of things which're not "our right" >>;;
[07:25] <leth_> so does anyone know where the gdm-equvalent of Xaccess is?
[07:26] <shirish> hidan: for e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_%282005_film%29
[07:27] <shirish> hidan: well I would not know that, as I have always known this freedom
[07:27] <thoreauputic> hidan, shirish - interesting conversation but maybe more appropriate in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[07:28] <shirish> thoreauputic: yup I know, that is where we should be going
[07:28] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:28] <leth_> Xaccess in gdm anyone? i can't find it
[07:28] <bill_k> anyone have a link to a guide for getting firefox on Kubuntu feisty?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> leth_: you mean xdmcp?
[07:28] <leth_> yep
[07:28] <leth_> trying to fix the ipv6 bug
[07:29] <leth_> if you know of it...
[07:29] <thoreauputic> leth_: look in System -Admin - Login Window
[07:29] <bill_k> !firefox
[07:29] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:29] <thoreauputic> leth_: no, don't know the bug, sorry
[07:29] <leth_> thoreauputic: oh, well i've turned it on, but netstat says it's only listening on ipv6
[07:30] <leth_> which is apparently a bug in most disros due to broken ipv6 code
[07:30] <thoreauputic> leth_: does it work? I had xdmcp working here on feisty a few days ago...
[07:30] <leth_> not for me, i'm connecting from my mac and it doesn't like it
[07:31] <thoreauputic> leth_: using mac OS-X ?
[07:31] <leth_> yup
[07:31] <bill_k> lol
[07:31] <thoreauputic> leth_: then i don't know - I have feisty on my iBook here
[07:32] <bill_k> need help getting firefox on kubuntu feisty, just a link to a guide would be great.
[07:32] <leth_> thoreauputic: if its running now you could see if it's just listening on ipv6
[07:32] <thoreauputic> leth_: I just logged in from the iBook - works fine
[07:33] <thoreauputic> leth_: it may be an X issue
[07:33] <leth_> right, but are you logging in over ipv6 or 4?
[07:33] <leth_> ah
[07:33] <thoreauputic> leth_: this is just local network I assume ipv4...
[07:34] <thoreauputic> leth_: I think the difference in X versions could be a problem ( just guessing)
[07:34] <leth_> thoreauputic: have you got a newer version of X on yout iBook then?
[07:35] <xan_> Hi
[07:35] <thoreauputic> leth_: same version on both boxes - running ppc feisty on the iBook
[07:35] <thoreauputic> leth_: I'm 100% linux here :)
[07:35] <leth_> ah
[07:35] <xan_> I just want to know how to disable at boot that fsck checks other filesystems than /
[07:35] <leth_> thoreauputic: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/IndirectXdmIPv6Bug
[07:36] <leth_> thoreauputic: that's what i'm basing this on
[07:36] <leth_> :P
[07:36] <thoreauputic> looking
[07:36] <xan_> That is, that fsck at boot only examine /
[07:37] <zeroflag> god damn it.
[07:37] <zeroflag> where can I get audio drivers for my nforce5 onboard soundchip?
[07:37] <zeroflag> nvidia doesn't provide any. especially not for x64.
[07:37] <Lunar_Lamp> I just upgraded my edgy server to feisty.  Ok I have a /dev/hda1 as my /boot partition, and an LVM2 setup on /dev/hda2 logical, consisting of /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda6.  / is on /dev/hda6 - but when I put "root=UUID=$long-uuid-here" I get an error on boot that: "/dev/disk/by-uuid/long-uuid-here does not exist"  I know I c+p it correctly. What am I doing wrong?
[07:38] <xan_> any ?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> leth_: umm - over my head really - but I rmemember a guru who used to say " when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras"
[07:39] <leth_> thoreauputic: lol, er ok
[07:39] <leth_> thoreauputic: can you check something on your system for me
[07:39] <thoreauputic> leth_: having said that, maybe the bug is fixed in feisty but macs don't grok the change
[07:40] <thoreauputic> leth_: fire away
[07:40] <thoreauputic> leth_: on the server or the laptop?
[07:40] <leth_> thoreauputic: in network tools, netstat local services
[07:40] <leth_> server
[07:40] <thoreauputic> k
[07:40] <solique> Lunar Lamp: I've had problems with UUIDs - in the end I just replaced the UUID= bit with the correct /dev entry
[07:40] <xan_> Please, help me.
[07:40] <xan_> I have problems withs livecd
[07:40] <leth_> thoreauputic: do you ahve a udp and 117 row
[07:40] <xan_> hda is corrupted
[07:40] <leth_> or just a udp6 117
[07:41] <xan_> I install feisty in hdb
[07:41] <xan_> and when livecd reboots and fsck checks hda it hangs the process of installation
[07:41] <thoreauputic> leth_: the gui isn't that informative :)
[07:41] <xan_> how to disable fsck in other location
[07:41] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, shirish led me to believe I needed to use UUID's though :-/
[07:42] <xan_> I just want to know what file I have to touch for fsck only check /
[07:42] <leth_> thoreauputic: heh, right, so network tools -> netstat tab -> active network services
[07:42] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, I got /dev/hda not foundwhen I used the correct hda enrty
[07:42] <thoreauputic> leth_: I'm there
[07:42] <leth_> thoreauputic: and at the bottom is there a row saying udp6 :: 177
[07:42] <shirish> solique: Lunar_Lamp: I was speaking as I thought it was an i386 & for many people that has fixed some issues
[07:43] <thoreauputic> leth_: ah - yes
[07:43] <treq> how do i disable control+alt+delete from the shutdown console? i saw a guide for edgy but it doesn't work on fiesty for some reason...
[07:43] <leth_> thoreauputic: right, is there a similar row anywhere saying udp 177 (no 6)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> leth_: looks ipv6 ish to me...
[07:43] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Is it grub that's throwing that up?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> leth_: only the one row
[07:44] <thoreauputic> leth_: looks like it is using ipv6 then?
[07:44] <leth_> thoreauputic: yup same here. seems it must be.
[07:44] <thoreauputic> leth_: looks like the zebras are stampeding after all ;p
[07:44] <leth_> thoreauputic: feisty will have an automatic ipv6 address anyway, which is why it works
[07:45] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:45] <xan_> ?
[07:45] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, no; it gets past grub
[07:45] <leth_> thoreauputic: guess my network doesn't for some reason, or perhaps the osx xserver can't do ipv6. probably more likely
[07:46] <thoreauputic> leth_: the latter seems quite likely to me,yeah
[07:46] <lazka> cya.. all
[07:46] <leth_> thoreauputic: anyone around who would know where the Xaccess file is? want to try that workaround, but gdm doesn't have it
[07:46] <thoreauputic> leth_: linux is too cutting edge for OS-X ;-)
[07:47] <thoreauputic> leth_: tried "locate Xaccess" or "xaccess" ?
[07:47] <solique> what does vol_id <device> show?
[07:47] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: what does vol_id <device> show?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> leth_: nothing here...
[07:48] <leth_> thoreauputic: yep, no luck earlier either, was cases sensitive btw :P
[07:48] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, hmm, give me a few moments - will need to boot with live cd to see.  I used blkid to find the uuids though.
[07:48] <thoreauputic> leth_: probably needs to go in /etc/X11/gdm/ somwhere
[07:48] <Lunar_Lamp> Are blkid and vol_id giving different results?
[07:48] <leth_> thoreauputic: it might be a kdm thing, not gdm. so could be called something different
[07:48] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: can you paste me the blkid output?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> leth_: ah
[07:49] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, when the machine is booted into a live cd - yes :-) (on laptop here not on the server itself)
[07:49] <thoreauputic> leth_: no KDE here currently so I can't look
[07:49] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: of course :)
[07:50] <leth_> thoreauputic: no no the file is a kde file, i have gnome and need to find the eqivalent file
[07:50] <leth_> hmm
[07:50] <thoreauputic> leth_: /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf-custom  ? maybe?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> leth_: that's where most custom configs land, including xmcp
[07:51] <leth_> thoreauputic: hokay
[07:52] <Lunar_Lamp> solique,  http://www.pastebin.ca/436684
[07:52] <thoreauputic> leth_: under [xdmcp]  I just have Enable=true
[07:52] <thoreauputic> leth_: in that file
[07:52] <leth_> thoreauputic: thanks. Does this need reporting as a bug? Or as it's not a bug in feisty itself rather in xdcmp.
[07:52] <leth_> thoreauputic: me too
[07:52] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, ok, the blkid *IS* different.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> leth_: sounds more like a mac-osx bug really ;-p
[07:53] <thoreauputic> leth_: "Mac-OSX" fails to support xdmcp over ipv6"
[07:53] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Cl
[07:53] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Can  you paste that?
[07:53] <Lunar_Lamp> Cl?
[07:53] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: I think your device may not be /dev/hda6
[07:54] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Sorry, I mashed the return key by mistake :)
[07:54] <leth_> thoreauputic: but then also the bug that xdmcp fails to support ipv4 in ipv6 systems
[07:54] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, /boot is /dev/hda1  and root is on the logical volume /dev/hda6.
[07:54] <nox-Hand> Hey
[07:54] <nox-Hand> I can't start X again ( I was FnuggleMaster yesterday)
[07:54] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Can you paste out the blkid?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> leth_: yeah - well report it: i think Ubuntu should play nice with OS-X and ipv4
[07:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:55] <nox-Hand> I am on Feisty 7.04 obviously and after some dist-upgrades it just won't start X
[07:55] <nox-Hand> Mind, newest kernel on it doesn't boot either, so I have to start the old one
[07:55] <nox-Hand> Yesterday I fixed by getting nvidia-glx-new
[07:55] <nox-Hand> But today it's just dead.
[07:55] <nox-Hand> Any ideas?
[07:56] <leth_> thoreauputic: it's not going to be limited to os x. It's basically any ipv4 xdmcp client trying to connect
[07:56] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, ok, give me a moment
[07:56] <leth_> thoreauputic: but yes, report it i shall.
[07:56] <thoreauputic> leth_: yes, understood - i was just kidding around :)
[07:57] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, www.pastebin.ca/436690
[07:57] <thoreauputic> leth_: it would probably break with Slackware I'm guessing, for example
[07:57] <thoreauputic> leth_: although for all i know Slack might be fully up on ipv6
[07:57] <leth_> thoreauputic: i've no idea. is that ipv4 only?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> leth_: see above - I don't know
[07:57] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Can you paste the full thing?
[07:57] <Lunar_Lamp> I did
[07:57] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: With out the grep
[07:58] <thoreauputic> leth_: I was just guessing Slack is conservative
[07:58] <leth_> thoreauputic: heh ah
[07:58] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, that;s the whole thing
[07:58] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Sorry, without the device on the end. Just blkid
[07:58] <thoreauputic> leth_: I may be totally off :)
[07:58] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, it gives te same result as thats all that's mounted.
[07:58] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, do you want me to mount all my partitions?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> leth_: BTW i like Slack so I'm not criticising it :)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> leth_: in fact I feel Ubuntu has gone too far in the non-Ubix direction in some ways
[07:59] <leth_> thoreauputic: hehe *shrug*
[07:59] <thoreauputic> umm non-Unix
[08:00] <Gambaroni> Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)?
[08:00] <leth_> thoreauputic: well i'll never get annoyed at the way most things just work with ubuntu
[08:00] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, when I try to mount hda6 I get: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[08:00] <thoreauputic> leth_: Mac Os-X on the other hand, has mangled Unix beyond recognition ...
[08:01] <Hussain> Hi, i cant seem to use ICS to share internet on my ubuntu machine.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> after all, the hardware is nice...
[08:01] <leth_> thoreauputic: haha, indeed. Although i'm hardly a typical user, i use the terminal far too often
[08:01] <thoreauputic> leth_: :)
[08:01] <dlapoint> I've just upgraded from Edgy to Feisty, and now there's a little icon in the notification area that says there's no network devices found, even though ifconfig and the ping command confirm that I am indeed connected to my network.. any ideas?
[08:01] <Hussain> the windows bit is the usual thing you do using the ICS sharing tab under the networking iface connected to the internet. what else could i be doing wrong?
[08:01] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: You're using lvm there? what's your VG and LV called?
[08:02] <Hussain> i've got the iface on ubuntu to configure using DHCP
[08:02] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, I'm not sure, how do I find out?  I can't remember what they are :-/
[08:02] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: as root lvm lvs and lvm vgs
[08:03] <leth_> thoreauputic: it's already reported :)
[08:03] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: actually, just lvm lvs will do
[08:03] <leth_> thoreauputic: but bugs.launchpad.net times out on me >_<
[08:03] <thoreauputic> leth_: ah - that's good :)
[08:03] <dlapoint> anyone?
[08:03] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, ok, as on live cd having to install lvm tools etc.
[08:03] <leth_> thoreauputic: ah it's back. crisis over :P
[08:03] <thoreauputic> leth_: launchpad is slow as molasses today
[08:04] <thoreauputic> leth_: they seem to be changing formats or something
[08:04] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: k
[08:04] <thoreauputic> leth_: everything looked different the second time I managed to login
[08:06] <Hussain> so guys, how do i connect to the internet on LAN? it used to work- i must've mucked up some setting along the way and now i don't know which :(
[08:06] <thoreauputic> night/morning all
[08:06] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: I'm having to go from memory here a bit because I moved to EVMS a little while ago, having had problems booting with with LVM, but from memory, if you're using LVM your device path is /dev/<volumegroup>/<logicalvolume>
[08:06] <leth_> thoreauputic: thanks for the help
[08:07] <aaroncampbell> My wireless network connection has started being re-enabled constantly (I disable it, and a little later I see it enabled again).  I'm using Kubuntu Feisty
[08:07] <Nuke13> Hussain: are you using Broadband?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> leth_: no problem - good luck :)
[08:07] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, I just get "no program lvm found for yuour current version of LVM"...
[08:07] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Oh, I had this... Let me think
[08:07] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, I tink I'm just going to reinstall the server - it's virtually a clean install :-/
[08:08] <Hussain> Nuke13: its an  adsl dial up modem- i am using ICS cause the eagleusb driver's a b1tch to configure.
[08:08] <|paradizelost|> hey all,  i'm trying to get vmware working on feisty, but it won't compile during the install
[08:08] <|paradizelost|> i've installed build-essential
[08:08] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: I know the feeling :) I've got problems with other things that are driving me mad.
[08:08] <Nuke13> Hussain: ok have you setup ubuntu to use DHCP or a static IP address?
[08:09] <Hussain> problem is, ics worked right after installation- all i did was tweak a few settings here and there to get samba working. it does now- but internet, no more.
[08:09] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Was this an upgrade from Edgy? Or a fresh install?
[08:09] <Hussain> Nuke13: dhcp naturally: iface eth0 inet dhcp auto eth0
[08:09] <aaroncampbell> Also, the "KNetworkManager" doesn't list any of my interfaces (2 gigabit wired and a wireless).  I have to go to "System Settings" then "Network Settings" to connect/enable/disable
[08:10] <Nuke13> Hussain: I would first make sure that you are using a static IP address with ubuntu as my router and the ubuntu DHCP play hell with each other
[08:10] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Did you install lvm or lvm2?
[08:11] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: You probably want lvm2
[08:11] <Lunar_Lamp> I did lvm2
[08:11] <TheVault> shirish: Hey, remember the problem I was telling about earlier?
[08:11] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, ok, got it - needed to sudo /etc/init.d/lvm start
[08:12] <TheVault> shirish: About me not being able to boot from my DVD drive on bootup cause it did not find anything in the bios about it
[08:12] <shirish> right
[08:12] <Hussain> i can even ping it- although i don't see see any problem with dhcp- cause its assigned by dhcp server on windows aint it? and there arent any routers involved- only device used is the external adsl usb modem.
[08:12] <TheVault> shirish: Do you think this would work. I install edgy and not touch a thing after I install it. And then plugin my DVD drive while in edgy and upgrade through the disc?
[08:12] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, now when I do "lvm lvs" or "lvm vgs" I get "incorrect metadata area header checksum"
[08:13] <Hussain> can't ping google though
[08:13] <shirish> TheVault: it should work
[08:13] <Hussain> t says unknown host
[08:13] <shirish> i.e. if it is able to read the DVD media
[08:13] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Oh, that doesn't sound good. What about lvgchange -ay ?
[08:13] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Sorry, vgchange -ay
[08:13] <Hussain> is domain name important? under 'general' tab of network-admin?
[08:13] <TheVault> shirish: Alright. Yeah, I have Feisty Fawn a DVD that I used to install on my Laptop a few days back
[08:14] <TheVault> shrish: My DVD drive is USB, and Ubuntu recognizes it as a removeable device and I can play things off of
[08:14] <shirish> you would just need to give it the right pointers then
[08:14] <TheVault> shirish: Pointers?
[08:15] <Lunar_Lamp> vgchange -ay gives same error
[08:15] <shirish> there is a switch to upgrade, saying that upgrade from the DVD, do not have the command on top of the head atm
[08:16] <TheVault> shirish: Alright, I'll see what I come up with. Thanks for the help  :D
[08:16] <Lunar_Lamp> solique; vgchange -ay gives same error - i think resintall of feisty from scratch is probably best move
[08:16] <shirish> welcome
[08:16] <TheVault> shirish: I'll let ya know my progress later on. Bye for now
[08:17] <_Neil> will be interesting tosee whether feisty livecd works on my 7800gt
[08:17] <_Neil> I had to manually install the drivers for the damned edgy livecd
[08:17] <_Neil> really shouldve made a bug report for that..
[08:17] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Yeah, sounds like it... LVM creates new devices for from the underlaying ones, so you shouldn't mkfs on an underlaying device
[08:17] <_Neil> Crashed as soon as x started with corruption
[08:17] <Lunar_Lamp> solique, hmm, I think root should be something like "/dev/mapper/group/root"
[08:18] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Yeah, that sounds right
[08:18] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: It's whatever names you give /dev/mapper/VG/LV. I had a great deal of trouble booting LVM without EVMS installed
[08:18] <Gambaroni> Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)?
[08:19] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: and UUIDs caused me grief as it found devices twice (/dev/hda2 and /dev/mapper/hda2 for instance)
[08:20] <Trewas> _Neil: X in feisty herd5 and beta were completely garbled with my 6600gt with the default driver, it's so common card that I assumed it was known that it doesn't work and didn't bother to file a bug
[08:20] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: So I just went back to plain old device in fstab and it has been fine. UUIDs seem more hassle than they are worth. In the enterprise where you have hotswap disks, great, for smaller set ups it just adds complications.
[08:21] <Lunar_Lamp> Yeah, seemingly so, I'm just annoyed that the feisty install didn't backup my grub config which was working.
[08:26] <solique> Lunar_Lamp: Sounds like it trashed more than your grub config
[08:26] <vega-> anyone with raid upgraded successfully from edgy to feisty and not experienced this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/75681 ?
[08:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 75681 in mdadm "boot-time race condition initializing md" [High,Fix released] 
[08:28] <solique> vega- I got that.
[08:29] <vega-> hmm, i have raid1 so it seems i shouldn't upgrade to feisty yet..
[08:29] <vega-> just hope it gets fixed before final
[08:30] <solique> vega-: You can work around it but it's a PITA. I appears to have been fixed (at least for me) in updates after the beta
[08:31] <vega-> pita?
[08:31] <solique> pain in the a**
[08:31] <vega-> but ok, i think i'll wait at least until rc
[08:31] <vega-> :)
[08:31] <solique> I think final is due out on the 19th :)
[08:31] <vega-> true, not so long until that either
[08:32] <solique> No.. but there are an alarming number of problems people are still getting with the beta
[08:32] <jdhore> and the RC was delayed
[08:32] <solique> If I were you I'd wait a little after release and check again there
[08:33] <vega-> solique: yep, seems to be many bugs concerning raid
[08:33] <jdhore> i honestly don't care, but i though i'd let you folks know
[08:33] <jdhore> here's the email i got from the devel list:
[08:33] <solique> vega-: storage in general
[08:33] <jdhore> "The Ubuntu 7.04 release candidate (due today) has been delayed due to
[08:33] <jdhore> bugs discovered during validation testing, specifically problems with
[08:33] <jdhore> certain ATA chipsets and problems with the connection status displayed
[08:33] <jdhore> by the network-manager panel applet. There is no updated ETA yet, but
[08:33] <jdhore> the core development team is actively working on the problems and expect
[08:33] <jdhore> it to be a matter of days.
[08:33] <jdhore> We'll put out a further announcement when more is known, and in the
[08:33] <jdhore> meantime we ask our testing community to stay alert for notices of
[08:33] <jdhore> specific changes that need to be tested.
[08:33] <jdhore> Thanks"
[08:34] <vega-> yes, got that, i'm on the list...
[08:34] <jdhore> i thought i'd past it for people who aren't on the list
[08:34] <solique> I've got a show stopper for me at the moment with cryptsetup and I just can't find anyone who has had the same problem
[08:34] <shirish> jdhore: thanx, a paste would not have worked in this case
[08:35] <vega-> jdhore: seems to be in the channel topic..
[08:35] <jdhore> vega-, doesn't seem to be
[08:35] <jdhore> shirish, good point...but meh
[08:38] <|NewUser|> Everything Working Fine in my box. except problem with connection status displayed by network manager applet. that will be fine coz i know internet working fine :)
[08:38] <YetiChick> How does one participate in testing?
[08:40] <saskia> hi guys. after the update today, my networkcard (working with ndiswrapper) was not longer detected
[08:40] <saskia> how can i get this card working again?
[08:44] <tovella> flashplayer (sound) works on fiesty (desktop) but not on thin-client, via ltsp.  any ideas?  suggestions?
[08:44] <TheVault> shirish: Hey, I got another idea.
[08:45] <Tybor> any powerpc user here? Is it possible to use feisty on ppc? (I'm a 10 years linux user)
[08:45] <tovella> Tybor: i think you can download a ppc version.
[08:45] <gnomefreak> Tybor: no
[08:46] <gnomefreak> Tybor: feisty does not support ppc
[08:46] <TheVault> shirish: It goes a little something like this. Basicly, right now I have the Edgy LIVE CD running in my C: drive. Well I right click on the "Install Icon" and went to properties and looked at the launch code to start the setup of installing Ubuntu Edgy. Then I though, If I have the Feisty Fawn in my DVD drive, could I tweak that same command but to go to the drive with the feisty fawn.
[08:47] <Gambaroni> Someone that have installed Ubuntu using PXE? When I boot the client and then loads the config file, it says: "Could not load kernel image: linux." Anyone =)?
[08:47] <xan_> Hi, Can you see me how to disable that checkfs.sh checks all the filesystems and only check / ?
[08:48] <Tomcat_> xan_: You can set if a filesystem is checked in /etc/fstab
[08:48] <rverrips> Hiyee, has feisty RC1 been released yet?
[08:49] <xan_> no, in fstab it no appear but it checks more filesystem than in fstab
[08:49] <Tomcat_> xan_: The last field (fs passno) is sent to fsck. 0 = don't check, 1 = root check, 2 = regular check
[08:49] <Tybor> gnomefreak, I know... but it seems that the packages are there?
[08:49] <Tomcat_> xan_: Eh... never done that for me. It shouldn't.
[08:50] <TheVault> Can someone help me out. This would be a life saver. Right now, I'm running the Edgy LIVE CD, since my computer will not boot from my USB DVD drive as boot. Well, on the desktop of the LIVE CD, it shows an install icon, I'm sure everyone knows that. Well I plugged in my DVD drive and now the DVD of Feisty fawn is on my desktop. Would it be possible to edit the command of the "Install" icon on edgy, but have it install feisty fawn fro
[08:50] <gnomefreak> Tybor: i dont have ppc atm but from what i hear no support for ppc
[08:50] <xan_> Tomcat_ : the last field in what file
[08:50] <Tybor> gnomefreak, I know... but it seems that the packages are there...
[08:50] <xan_> ?
[08:51] <gnomefreak> Tybor: try to run it than but dont count on it working
[08:51] <Tomcat_> xan_: In /etc/fstab
[08:51] <xan_> In fstab only have hdb* filesystems mount but ubuntu checks hda in boot
[08:51] <xan_> surely
[08:52] <xan_> sorry sure
[08:52] <xan_> see /etc/init.d/checkfs
[08:52] <tovella> TheVault: why not try sbm diskette?
[08:53] <xan_> it's an script for check _all_ filesystems
[08:53] <TheVault> tovella: Cause I have no idea what that is. I'm just trying to get Feisty Fawn to install. Its on a DVD and my USB DVD drive is all I got since my desktop don't have it built in
[08:53] <gnomefreak> Tybor: there are ISO's hidden :(
[08:54] <gnomefreak> Tybor: it might work
[08:54] <TheVault> Basically, can I tweak the install command gksudo --desktop %k ubiquity gtkui to point to my DVD drive where I have the Feisty Fawn DVD in?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> Tybor: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
[08:54] <TheVault> Then it would install feisty fawn instead of Edgy
[08:55] <tovella> TheVault: SmartBootManager is a diskette that is sometimes useful in booting a PC from USB or CD.
[08:56] <Tomcat_> xan_: You can also set how often an fs should be checked via "tune2fs" on a filesystem... default is 30 mounts or something.
[08:56] <tovella> TheVault: i assume you mean you only have a feisty dvd, and no cd burner, right?
[08:56] <shirish> @now singapore
[08:56] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Singapore: April 13 2007, 02:56:26 - Next meeting: MOTU in 1 hour 3 minutes
[08:56] <TheVault> tovella: Kinda. I have no Blank CDs or I would burn Feisty onto it.
[08:56] <magic_ninja> !gnome-orca
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-orca - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <xan_> Tomcat_ : ok. I will see it
[08:57] <tovella> TheVault: do you have a diskette drive?
[08:57] <TheVault> tovella: You mean a floppy drive?
[08:57] <tovella> TheVault: yes, floppy diskette drive & a blank floppy diskette?
[08:58] <TheVault> tovella: Nope
[08:58] <TheVault> tovella: Alright, read this very carefully
[08:58] <tovella> TheVault: then SBM won't help you either.
[08:59] <ScarFreewill> is the apt de mirrors working propperly?
[08:59] <shirish> !info gnome-orca
[08:59] <ubotu> gnome-orca: scriptable screen reader. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 399 kB, installed size 4064 kB
[08:59] <Tybor> gnomefreak, ahh... many 10x
[08:59] <solique> I'm having some trouble with cryptsetup - when I go to run cryptsetup --verbose  luksFormat  /dev/evms/var I get the error Unable to make device node for 'temporary-cryptsetup-9108'. There is some stuff in the udev debug log but I can't track down the source of the failure. Any one have ideas where I should be looking?
[09:00] <shirish> !info gnome-orca | magic_ninja
[09:00] <TheVault> tovella: In my CD drive(the one thats built into my computer) has Ubuntu Edgy live CD. I'm running Edgy right now from that. I have a USB DVD drive with Feisty Fawn on a DVD. I have that DVD drive plugged into my USB port and now the DVD icon of Feisty Fawn is now on my desktop. On the LIVE CD, there is an Install icon. When I right click on it, I found the command that would install Edgy. What I'm wonder is if I can tweak that code 
[09:00] <ScarFreewill> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[09:00] <ubotu> magic_ninja: gnome-orca: scriptable screen reader. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 399 kB, installed size 4064 kB
[09:00] <shirish> ScarFreewill: I do get this sometimes, at my indian server
[09:00] <ScarFreewill> shirish: do you just wait and it works later?
[09:01] <TheVault> tovella: So instead of installing from the LIVE CD, I would be installing from the DVD drive(feisty fawn) instead
[09:01] <shirish> ScarFreewill:  most of the times yes
[09:01] <shirish> ScarFreewill: although sometimes it does not also, then I use the main mirror
[09:01] <ScarFreewill> shirish: i used to be on za mirror and then switched to de because of a problem like this one looks like i can make another jump
[09:02] <tovella> TheVault: i understood your problem, the first time.
[09:02] <TheVault> tovella: Alrighty. Well what I just said, is that possible?
[09:02] <|NewUser|> hmm
[09:02] <|NewUser|> Well want to ask..
[09:02] <|NewUser|> in my another machine i have dapper-drake... so i want to replace with fiesty fawn? how can i ? i have slow connection so i cant dist-upgrade.. so any other way? well i have fiesty fawn livd cd.
[09:02] <TheVault> tovella: I really don't wanna install edgy and then have to install feisty fawn through a upgrade, wanna know if I can do that now to prevent all of that
[09:04] <kane77> hi, is upstart used in feisty by default?
[09:04] <TheVault> I'll post in the Forum, see what information I get back
[09:05] <tovella> TheVault: the only way i can think of (possible no guarantees) would be from a shell prompt. you'd have to mount the DVD using squash (or whatever), chroot, then install.  it is possible, but NOT easily.
[09:06] <TheVault> tovella: The DVD is already showing on my desktop
[09:06] <ploum> hello
[09:06] <ploum> I'm working on some doc here
[09:07] <ploum> can someone send me some screenshots of the installation of FGLRX and Nvidia under Feisty ?
[09:07] <TheSilentW> hi, is it possible to add a red line across the console below the line that it actually got a user input? so i can see my own commands quickly
[09:07] <ploum> I don't have the hardware to do that
[09:07] <tovella> TheVault: i understand, but unless its mounted a special way, all you'll see is the compressed files.
[09:07] <ploum> my mail : ploum at ubuntu.com
[09:08] <teenbeat2007> will beryl work better in feisty with ati drivers
[09:08] <_Neil> hey guys, sorry to say I still have corruption issues with fiesty as i did with edgy
[09:08] <_Neil> Boots fine, but as soon as the splash logo should appear, I get corruption, and eventually a hang
[09:08] <_Neil> same happened in edgy, to fix it I had to boot into a terminal on the livecd, and install the nvidia drivers / tweak xorg.conf first
[09:09] <TheVault> tovella: Oh I see.
[09:09] <_Neil> Same as when I installed it... It seems a common thing with 7800GT cards... what should I do? I can fix it, but it shouldnt happen..
[09:09] <kane77> how do I find version of my running kernel?
[09:10] <Ilokaasu> kane77: uname -r
[09:10] <tovella> TheVault: you would need to mount the file "/casper/filesystem.squashfs", using squash.  it's a real pain.
[09:11] <tovella> TheVault: what about a pendrive?
[09:11] <TheVault> tovella: Yeah, I got a pen drive
[09:11] <tovella> TheVault: how much space available?
[09:11] <_Neil> Anybody any guidance? Should I submit a bug or what?
[09:12] <TheVault> I have 512mb but I have songs on it
[09:12] <TheVault> I can always put em back on
[09:12] <tovella> TheVault: will your PC allow you to boot from your pen drive?
[09:12] <TheVault> tovella: no
[09:12] <solique> what happened to PPC support in Feisty?
[09:13] <kane77> is it called pen drive in english?
[09:13] <_Neil> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1996187&postcount=14
[09:13] <zdzichuBG> kane77: rather "thumd drive" or "memory stick
[09:13] <_Neil> this is the solution I posted
[09:13] <spikeb> solique, it's been dropped
[09:13] <zdzichuBG> thumb
[09:13] <_Neil> But it shoulnt need to be done, ubuntu should surely get it right 1st time
[09:14] <solique> spikeb: why? Lack of  users?
[09:14] <kane77> zdzichuBG, in my language it's usb key :)
[09:14] <solique> spikeb: I was just getting all excited about installing it on my G4 :(
[09:14] <spikeb> solique, yes. but debian supports ppc. try that.
[09:15] <solique> spikeb: ey, but it's not got the polish of Ubuntu
[09:16] <tovella> TheVault: you really need a floppy drive.  that way you could download and create an SBM diskette.  booting from it would show you a menu of boot devices you could choose from (usb flash, cd, dvd, etc.).
[09:16] <spikeb> solique, its still very very good
[09:16] <Lin> hi all
[09:17] <solique> spikeb: Well, give etch is just out maybe I should take a fresh look
[09:17] <spikeb> solique, yeah
[09:17] <tovella> tovella: alternatively you could boot from your network, if you had the equipment for it.
[09:17] <shirish> tovella: yup SMB is good, just need a reliable floppy
[09:17] <Lin> how can I change a keymap on feisty? I couldn't find any keymap on /usr/share/keymaps/. What is setupcon? it hasn't a man page?
[09:18] <spikeb> solique, etch is quite good, they even have single cd desktop installs now
[09:18] <shirish> Lin: what do u mean u want to change keymap? you want to change locale or what?
[09:18] <kane77> is upstart used in feisty by default?
[09:18] <Lin> keymap.
[09:18] <Lin> my keyboard.
[09:18] <TheSilentW> hi, is it possible to add a red line across the console below the line that it actually got a user input? so i can see my own commands quickly
[09:19] <shirish> Lin: what is wrong with your keyboard?
[09:19] <Lin> im not american. I didn't use a us-latin keyboard.
[09:19] <shirish> ah, that ok
[09:19] <Lin> I want to load with loadkeys as I always do.
[09:19] <shirish> Lin: hang on, go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:19] <Lin> Im scared!
[09:19] <Lin> hey
[09:19] <Lin> im not on X
[09:19] <shirish> ok what are load keys?
[09:20] <Lin> what happened with linux ;-)
[09:20] <tovella> shirish: funny you should mention that (reliable floppy).  i was just telling someone the other day how unreliable they are & how she should copy her resume & similar documents to a usb flash drive, until she gets her internet connection.
[09:20] <Lin> igor@arda:/etc/console-setup$ whatis loadkeys
[09:20] <Lin> loadkeys (1)         - load keyboard translation tables
[09:20] <shirish> lol
[09:20] <shirish> ok have no idea about that m8
[09:20] <Lin> in the past I have done: loadkeys br-abnt
[09:20] <shirish> perhaps I need to read the man about that
[09:21] <Lin> they have destroyed the old linux wizardry!!
[09:21] <solique> spikeb: Yeah, I noticed that - what's the main differences between Debian and Etch as a server?
[09:21] <_Neil> Had this issue in edgy, still happens in Fiesty: Vanilla install or livecd hangs with graphical corruption on a 7800gt, seems a common problem. Requires you going into terminal and manually getting drivers.
[09:21] <Lin> now what we have.. hal and dbus(!).
[09:21] <_Neil> Anyone any idea on a fix, should I report this to launchpad?
[09:21] <cypherdelic>  I found a thread on how to activate antialaising on xgl
[09:21] <cypherdelic>   but tHAT DIDNT WORKED FOR ME
[09:21] <cypherdelic>     if LANGUAGE=$(pam_getenv -l LANGUAGE); then
[09:21] <cypherdelic>       export LANGUAGE
[09:21] <cypherdelic>     fi
[09:21] <cypherdelic>   export __GL__FSAA_MODE="6"
[09:21] <cypherdelic>   export __GL_LOG_MAX_ANISO="4"
[09:21] <cypherdelic>   export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK="1"
[09:21] <cypherdelic>   fi
[09:21] <cypherdelic>  a added that to &etc&init.d&gdm
[09:21] <cypherdelic>  can somebody help me activating antialaising for xgl?
[09:21] <cypherdelic>  im with nvidia 7600go
[09:21] <Lin> dont past here!!!!!
[09:22] <spikeb> gotta run folks, somebody give solique a hand for me
[09:22] <Lin> find at #ubuntu-effects
[09:23] <joshua_> cypherdelic, nvidia-settings
[09:23] <shirish> !paste | cypherdelic
[09:23] <ubotu> cypherdelic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:23] <cypherdelic> joshua_: i want the berzl cube to be antialaised, that didnt just work with nvidia-settings, but thanks
[09:23] <Vuen> anyone else stuck unable to login?
[09:24] <Lin> Vuen: which user are you using?
[09:25] <jmsebolt> I have a question regarding the Desktop Effects in Feisty. I have them enabled, and they are working great (even on my ATI mobility!)...As I understand it, these are compiz effect? Are there any other ones that can be activated? Add on's perhaps?
[09:25] <Vuen> my regular user
[09:25] <Vuen> nick
[09:25] <tovella> Lin: i've had some issues with hal & dbus, as well.  in a multi-net-card machine, my eth0 & eth1 get swapped.  i used to edit '/etc/iftab', but no more.  do you have any idea how to resolve such a problem?
[09:25] <Vuen> i type in my password, the screen flashes black, then the login prompt comes back
[09:25] <Vuen> no error message, no invalid password, nothing
[09:26] <Vuen> i'm in the process of upgrading my packages, i figure maybe they just screwed something up
[09:26] <Lin> tovella: Im really lost with new wizardry.. Now I'm a old unix dude... I will go back t my shell. ;(
[09:26] <Vuen> oh, also, where can i complain about networkmanager? it's such a huge piece of garbage, i hate that thing
[09:27] <Vuen> since i couldn't log in, i had no internet access from tty1
[09:27] <zeroflag> how can I install kernel modules into the kernel?
[09:27] <Vuen> so i couldn't even upgrade my packages
[09:27] <joshua_> cypherdelic, that should work.
[09:27] <Lin> I remember the old times.. when I knew about every process on my system. And even have done a few black magic.. and now? im just a user. a ubuntu user.
[09:27] <joshua_> cypherdelic, are you using Xgl or beryl on top of nvidia?
[09:27] <Lin> tovella: I even dunno what hal  + dbus REALLY do on my system. :-/
[09:27] <Vuen> remember that time they broke x in breezy with an upgrade patch? and the solution was just to hop into a terminal and apt-get upgrade? well they can't do that anymore because of networkmanager
[09:28] <Vuen> what were they THINKING tying that to the gui? it's like ubuntu is turning into windows
[09:28] <YetiChick> Vuen:  It's worth it to take a few minutes and learn how to configure, start and stop networking in a shell - just in case.
[09:28] <Vuen> i already know all that, obviously since i'm here talking to you
[09:28] <Vuen> but most people don't know how to set up a wireless card from a terminal
[09:29] <Lin> Vuen: the dunno nothing anymore.. this will become a macosX like system
[09:29] <nomasteryoda> most folks use the gui anyways... you can still run a "sudo ifconfig eth0 .... " if needed
[09:29] <Vuen> :(
[09:29] <cypherdelic> joshua_: im using Beryl with Xgl on top of Nvidia 7600go
[09:29] <cypherdelic> runs good
[09:29] <Lin> omg!! lets go back to the old times :-(
[09:29] <nomasteryoda> or iwconfig
[09:29] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: my gui is broken. that's what the discussion is about here
[09:29] <cypherdelic> but antialaising is missing
[09:29] <Vuen> i can't log in
[09:29] <nomasteryoda> ay
[09:29] <YetiChick> Vuen: True...  But most people don't know how to do anything from a terminal...  I think I missed the point.  I'm new to Ubuntu, but are you saying that networking doesn't work until you're logged in?
[09:29] <nomasteryoda> ic
[09:30] <Vuen> YetiChick: with networkmanager and a wireless card, that is correct.
[09:30] <nomasteryoda> er, surely you are able to type a login?
[09:30] <LoneShadow> do I need the mdadm package to be installed for feisty ?
[09:30] <tovella> Lin: don't feel bad.  i've been playing around with different linux distros for about 6 years & still use the shell quite a bit.. sometimes there's nothing better, especially for remote support - just my thoughts.
[09:30] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: when i log in, the login screen goes away, the screen flashes black, then the login screen comes back. no error messages or anything.
[09:30] <nomasteryoda> ok, well login on the console... Ctrl+Alt+F1
[09:30] <Vuen> ...
[09:30] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Interesting.  I'll have to see why my laptop seems to work fine without launching X, then.
[09:31] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: i'm there now, chatting with you on irssi
[09:31] <Lin> tovella: me to, I work with linux since 96.... I never felt so stupid before
[09:31] <nomasteryoda> ok, thought so
[09:31] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Perhaps I did something I don't recall...
[09:31] <nomasteryoda> so you are ok
[09:31] <Vuen> and upgrading my packages incase something is broken
[09:31] <Vuen> yeah
[09:31] <nomasteryoda> +D
[09:31] <Lin> i dunno how to change my keymap!
[09:31] <LoneShadow> !mdadm
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdadm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, i would recommend doing them 2 or 3 times... apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[09:31] <LoneShadow> !feisty
[09:31] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:32] <nomasteryoda> LoneShadow, hang on
[09:32] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: cool, thanks. unfortunately i'm 180 megs behind :p, so it's taking a while to upgrade heh
[09:32] <nomasteryoda> ya
[09:32] <nomasteryoda> doing wired?
[09:32] <Vuen> nope, wireless
[09:32] <Vuen> that's the problem
[09:32] <nomasteryoda> ah
[09:32] <nomasteryoda> k
[09:33] <Vuen> because of networkmanager, the wireless card doesn't activate until i log into the gui
[09:33] <nomasteryoda> well at least tis doing it
[09:33] <Vuen> which is so broken it's mind boggling
[09:33] <Vuen> why would they make it like that?
[09:33] <joshua_> cypherdelic, you shoulkd not need Xgl on recent nvidia drivers
[09:33] <YetiChick> Vuen:  This is Feisty you're talking about?
[09:33] <Vuen> YetiChick: yep
[09:33] <nomasteryoda> well, if you are talking wirelesss you can enable with iwconfig eth1 or wlan1 up
[09:33] <cypherdelic> joshua_: aiglx is bullshit plentz of bugs for mz szstem
[09:34] <Vuen> YetiChick: kubuntu, if it makes a difference
[09:34] <nomasteryoda> er, with a command line
[09:34] <cypherdelic> joshua_: i just installed xgl. everythings much bette rnow
[09:34] <nomasteryoda> i do it on my server at home but don't have the lines i use
[09:34] <nomasteryoda> here
[09:34] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: no, because the key is stored by network manager in my wallet or whatever
[09:34] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: so i have to put in everything, the ssid, the key, etc
[09:34] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Ah.  No, it's just that I'm running Edgy on one of my laptops, and I'm not seeing that problem.
[09:35] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Although I did manually configure wpa_supplicant.
[09:35] <Vuen> instead of doing that, i just grabbed my /etc/network/interfaces from edgy and replaced the one i have now
[09:35] <Vuen> :)
[09:35] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, you can edit the xorg.conf file and change your driver to vesa
[09:35] <nomasteryoda> just to get back running...
[09:35] <Vuen> but the video driver shouldn't be a problem, i mean i can see the login screen
[09:35] <YetiChick> Vuen:  I don't have wireless on the Feisty machine.
[09:35] <nomasteryoda> what about failsafe login?
[09:36] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: good idea, but nope, failsafe is also broken
[09:36] <Vuen> :/
[09:36] <nomasteryoda> ok,,, was this an upgrade from edgy to fesity?
[09:36] <Vuen> nope fresh install from the beta
[09:36] <nomasteryoda> ok
[09:36] <Vuen> like three weeks ago
[09:37] <LoneShadow> !md
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about md - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:37] <Vuen> system's been working flawlessly till now
[09:37] <LoneShadow> !UUID
[09:37] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[09:37] <nomasteryoda> how about rm ~/.ICEAUTHORITY
[09:37] <nomasteryoda> how about rm ~/.XAUTHORITY
[09:37] <Vuen> mmm, hold on
[09:37] <nomasteryoda> or some such... i've had to do that
[09:37] <TheSilentW> hi, is it possible to add a red line across the console below the line that it actually got a user input? so i can see my own commands quickly
[09:37] <nox-Hand> Hey
[09:38] <nox-Hand> After an update my X does not start, and I have an Xorg.0.log if anyone would be so kind as to help me fix it? :D
[09:38] <nox-Hand> http://paste.stgraber.org/425
[09:38] <LoneShadow> ew, I gotta get used to this UUIDs :D
[09:38] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: yikes. x won't start at all now
[09:38] <nomasteryoda> oh and another one bites the dust
[09:38] <_Neil> hi all
[09:38] <_Neil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105953
[09:38] <LoneShadow> ok back to work, will figure out feisty later :)
[09:38] <_Neil> just made this
[09:38] <_Neil> is it a known issue? Had it since dgy
[09:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 105953 in Ubuntu "LiveCD and fresh install hang with graphical corruption on splash (nVidia)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:38] <_Neil> edgy**
[09:38] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, you found those files?
[09:38] <nomasteryoda> or rm them
[09:38] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: i deleted those files, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x
[09:38] <nomasteryoda> this is gnome?
[09:39] <Vuen> yeah i rm'd them, was that bad? lol
[09:39] <Vuen> kde
[09:39] <nomasteryoda> ok, no
[09:39] <nomasteryoda> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:39] <nomasteryoda> that will restart x
[09:39] <nomasteryoda> er, kdm is your manager
[09:39] <nomasteryoda> sorry
[09:41] <nomasteryoda> i'm running kdm here and used gdm to manage login but moved to kdm ...
[09:42] <Vuen> aaand were back
[09:42] <Vuen> the apt-get uprade decided to break my network connection again
[09:42] <nox-Hand> ANyone want to help me?
[09:43] <Milan> hi!
[09:44] <Milan> anybody interested in a strange behavior from Rhythmbox?
[09:44] <Vuen> anyone know the tool to make an xorg.conf file? debconf? dexconf?
[09:44] <YetiChick> Milan: What's so strange about it?  :)
[09:45] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:45] <nomasteryoda> that should help
[09:45] <Vuen> thx
[09:45] <Milan> YetiChick: it's constantly reading the library
[09:45] <Milan> the progress bar is always moving
[09:45] <nomasteryoda> do you have it set to dynamic?
[09:45] <nomasteryoda> playlists
[09:45] <Milan> but it does'nt work hard, reading a file from time to time
[09:46] <Milan> and my library is not updated in real time, I have to wait maybe 15min for new files to appear
[09:46] <nox-Hand> Anyone want to help me get X starting? :(
[09:47] <Vuen> mm
[09:47] <Milan> Vuen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:47] <Vuen> so i remade my x file, now kdm starts again
[09:47] <Vuen> but i still can't log in :(
[09:47] <nomasteryoda> wha?
[09:47] <Milan> nomasteryoda: yes, recentyl added. I remove it to see
[09:47] <Vuen> hmph. maybe i should try renaming ~/.kde
[09:47] <nomasteryoda> ah
[09:47] <nomasteryoda> worth a shot
[09:48] <Vuen> no dice
[09:48] <Vuen> ok, gonna try rebooting the whole machine
[09:48] <Vuen> brb
[09:48] <Milan> dynamic playlist was not the problem
[09:48] <TheSilentW> hi, is it possible to add a red line across the console below the line that it actually got a user input? so i can see my own commands quickly
[09:48] <paradizelost> hey all, i have a feisty cd and want to upgrade edgy to feisty, what is the easiest way to to this without downloading everything?
[09:49] <nomasteryoda> Milan, run it from a console to see
[09:49] <zeroflag> someone tell me how to activate kernel modules before I go nuts!
[09:49] <Milan> that's what I'm doing
[09:49] <nomasteryoda> k
[09:49] <Milan> $ rhythmbox -d
[09:49] <nomasteryoda> ic
[09:50] <Ayabara> what do I need to install to play aac files in feisty? I installed the bad gstreamer plugins, but amarok still won't play
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x805fad8]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:1083: going to PAUSED for metadata, uri: file:///home/milan/Baladeur/TEXTFILE/05.%20THE%20ROLLING%20STONES%20-%20Little%20Red%20Rooster.TXT
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x805fad8]  [rb_metadata_gst_typefind_cb]  rb-metadata-gst.c:775: found type text/plain
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x805fad8]  [rb_metadata_load]  rb-metadata-gst.c:1091: element state changing asynchronously: 2, 135192220
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x80f4028]  [rb_statusbar_sync_status]  rb-statusbar.c:417: updating status with: '3670 morceaux, 10 jours, 16 heures et 24 minutes, 18,6 Go', '', 999,000000
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x80f4028]  [rhythmdb_process_events]  rhythmdb.c:1925: processing RHYTHMDB_EVENT_METADATA_LOAD
[09:50] <Milan> (21:50:06) [0x80f4028]  [rhythmdb_entry_new]  rhythmdb.c:1215: emitting entry added
[09:50] <Vuen> no dice
[09:50] <Vuen> blarg
[09:50] <Milan> oops sorry, that's what I get constantly
[09:51] <zeroflag> !kernelmodule
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kernelmodule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <Ayabara> !restricted
[09:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:51] <Milan> zeroflag: modprobe ? or put them in /etc/modules.d to load it at boot
[09:52] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, it keeps bumping you out of x?
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> what about adding a new user...
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> and login as that?
[09:53] <zeroflag> Milan: I added them in /etc/modules
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> also make the home
[09:53] <paradizelost> !upgrade
[09:53] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:53] <Milan> Vuen: look at ~/.xsession-errors
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> chown user /home/user
[09:53] <nomasteryoda> ya that helps too
[09:55] <Milan> ok sorry all for rythmbox: it has stopped working, and it works. I still don't understand what happened, but I can't find out what, now ;-)
[09:55] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: sounds good. what's the command to make a new user again?
[09:55] <Vuen> Milan: ~/.xsession-errors is blank
[09:55] <Milan> ok. adduser
[09:55] <Vuen> ah. makes sense, lol
[09:56] <Vuen> made a test user, same thing happens when i try to log in as test
[09:56] <Vuen> screen goes black, then x just restarts
[09:57] <EmxBA> ubuntu+2?
[09:57] <billy> Vuen, have plenty of memory?
[09:57] <billy> as in disk space?
[09:57] <voidmage> lol gutsy gibbon
[09:57] <ScarFreewill1> is it possable to use my installed kubuntu as a installer eg. i don't have a cd rom but i want to install kubuntu on my one hdd
[09:58] <EmxBA> pretty cool name voidmage D
[09:58] <EmxBA> :D
[09:58] <ScarFreewill1> whats that installer pkg called?
[09:58] <ScarFreewill1> uni something...
[09:58] <EmxBA> check this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15193/
[09:58] <EmxBA> I can't manipulate any package, dpkg is broken
[09:58] <Vuen> billy: woah. says i have zero bytes free on /home. that's bad
[09:58] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, what if you change the xorg.conf driver to vesa?
[09:58] <Vuen> nomasteryoda: already did
[09:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[09:59] <nomasteryoda> that is way
[09:59] <billy> Vuen, yeah.  there's your problem.
[09:59] <nomasteryoda> shy
[09:59] <nomasteryoda> why
[09:59] <Vuen> lol. hold on, gonna free up some space
[09:59] <ScarFreewill1> !installer
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <Vuen> strange, it's not giving me any errors in Xorg.0.log though
[09:59] <EmxBA> remove all thumnails at ~/.thumbnails
[09:59] <Vuen> EmxBA: good idea
[09:59] <EmxBA> thumbnails *, Vuen
[09:59] <mauriicio> hi !
[09:59] <EmxBA> and (optionally) all files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ (deb packages), Vuen
[09:59] <chell> is the feisty RC out yet?
[09:59] <billy> ScarFreewill, try booting from the install iso.  worth a shot.
[09:59] <EmxBA> no chell
[10:00] <chell> when will it be?
[10:00] <EmxBA> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html chell
[10:00] <ScarFreewill1> !ubiquity
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubiquity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <chell> okay
[10:01] <chell> shame though
[10:01] <EmxBA> aldin: hi :)
[10:01] <aldin> EmxBA, hi
[10:01] <apollo2011> Hi everyone!
[10:01] <EmxBA> aldin: ubuntu-ba ;)
[10:01] <chell> hi
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> hi
[10:01] <aldin> EmxBA, do u still have debconf probl
[10:01] <ScarFreewill1> !info ubiquity
[10:01] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.8 (feisty), package size 1846 kB, installed size 7088 kB
[10:02] <EmxBA> yes, unfortunately, aldin.
[10:03] <Vuen> yikes
[10:03] <Vuen> screen crashed on me
[10:03] <Vuen> never seen that before
[10:03] <Vuen> my tty1 is stuck
[10:03] <mauriicio> hi !
[10:03] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Wow.  I'm never seen that, either.
[10:03] <Vuen> had to killall screen. wow, today is not my day
[10:03] <mauriicio> need help with feisty !
[10:04] <YetiChick> I've
[10:04] <EmxBA> mauriicio: what exactly?
[10:04] <Vuen> anyway, i removed .thumbnails but i'm still stuck at 0 bytes free
[10:04] <Vuen> doesn't make any sense.
[10:04] <mauriicio> he crashes before login screen,
[10:04] <Lin> where can I find a package list from ubuntu feisty?
[10:04] <nox-Hand> Someone else had problems with X after dist-upgrade yesterday?
[10:04] <nox-Hand> I can't start X
[10:04] <nox-Hand> Anyone want to help? :(
[10:05] <mauriicio> conflict with kdm and gdm
[10:05] <Vuen> nox-Hand: hey, i can't either!
[10:05] <Vuen> finally a friend
[10:05] <Lin> nox-Hand: what  X is complaing about?
[10:05] <Vuen> glad it's not just my box
[10:05] <nox-Hand> Lin: Lemme show you my Xorg.0.log
[10:05] <Lin> ok
[10:05] <Lin> mauriicio: kdm and gdm are starting?
[10:05] <EmxBA> I have problem with debconf that seems to be unsolvable
[10:05] <nox-Hand> http://paste.stgraber.org/427 Lin
[10:05] <nox-Hand> Vuen: nVidia?
[10:05] <YetiChick> Vuen: So making room on /hpme didn't help?
[10:06] <mauriicio> yes, it tries to start, but crash
[10:06] <nox-Hand> Lin: My xorg.conf http://paste.stgraber.org/428 :)
[10:06] <apollo2011> I am having a problem that I guess is fair game for both the Edgy and the Feisty chatrooms. I have been trying for quite some time to get nvidia-glx to work. I had it working and I did some kind of update and it broke and I am finally getting around to actually figuring out the problem. My card (GeForce3 Ti200) is still listed as a supported card on the nVidia site, but I can't get any versions of the driver to work. I am now having the same results
[10:06] <apollo2011>  on Feisty as I did on Edgy. When using the 9631 driver, everything loads but the gamma appears off and nothing I do fixes it. 9755 does not run, and several other versions give one of those two results.
[10:06] <Vuen> YetiChick: making room on /home didn't work. i tried deleting ~/.thumbnails, i tried deleting some videos
[10:07] <Vuen> still stuck at 0 free. this is worrying me, i'm gonna fsck
[10:07] <Vuen> drive's prolly screwed
[10:07] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: Vuen and I in same trouble.
[10:07] <EmxBA> df -h gives you 0 free, Vuen ?
[10:07] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: It's a bug.
[10:07] <Vuen> yep
[10:07] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: Which we need fixings! :o
[10:07] <Vuen> EmxBA: yep, even though i just deleted a bunch of stuff
[10:07] <apollo2011> nox-Hand: Is there any bug report on it?
[10:07] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: No X to check ;)
[10:07] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: Going to go ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[10:07] <YetiChick> Vuen:  But now that you have room, does ~/.xsession-errors have any contents?
[10:08] <Lin> nox-Hand: #
[10:08] <Lin> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[10:08] <Lin> #
[10:08] <Lin> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
[10:08] <Lin> #
[10:08] <Lin> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
[10:08] <Vuen> YetiChick: i don't have room.
[10:08] <Lin> recompile your nvidia kernel driver.
[10:08] <YetiChick> Vuen:  I see - sorry, slow typing today.  :)
[10:08] <Vuen> YetiChick: i deleted things but it still says 0 bytes free
[10:08] <EmxBA> you could pastebin it, lin
[10:08] <Lin> EmxBA: what?
[10:08] <Vuen> YetiChick: and i'm trying to fsck but it won't umount
[10:08] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Make sure you're not cd'd into it.
[10:08] <EmxBA> !pastebin
[10:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:09] <Vuen> nope, i'm not
[10:09] <Vuen> but i do have a locked up tty1 that's probably logged into it
[10:09] <Vuen> anyone know how to restart it?
[10:09] <YetiChick> Vuen: That's probably it.
[10:09] <Vuen> man. i have a pile of problems today
[10:09] <nox-Hand> Lin: recompile?
[10:09] <Vuen> meh. i'm just gonna restart into recovery console and fsck
[10:09] <Vuen> brb
[10:09] <nox-Hand> Lin: Hey hey, I do no compiling x_x
[10:09] <nox-Hand> Lin: I thought my nice little kernel should ahve all that
[10:09] <Lin> nox-Hand: are you using ubuntu?
[10:10] <EmxBA> killall screen, vuen :)
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Oh, and I am on -13 not -14 since -14 will not boot for some reason
[10:10] <EmxBA> he's left
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Lin: Yes, why? :P
[10:10] <Lin> dpkg -l nvidia* linux-kernel*  ; uname -a ; lsmod | grep nvidia
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Lin: Might be some Gentoo stuff since I used it's xorg.conf :)
[10:10] <Lin> no
[10:10] <Lin> nox-Hand: you have to install nvidia drivers
[10:10] <Lin> aptitude install nvidia-glx
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Lin: nvidia-glx-new, yes
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Lin: Or that, yeah
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Have tried both
[10:11] <Lin> gimme the output of those comands
[10:11] <nox-Hand> They were all working yesterday, Lin. apollo2011 Vuen and I have that problem
[10:11] <nox-Hand> Lin: Right
[10:11] <billy> I'd like to fresh install Feisty.  But I want to preserve my home.  Could I backup home to a CD, fresh install, creating a separate /home partition, and then copy my data from the CD to the /home partition?
[10:11] <Lin> nox-Hand: what have you done?
[10:11] <nomasteryoda> sure... billy
[10:11] <Lin> nox-Hand: nothing? (impossible)
[10:12] <billy> nomasteryoda, yeah?  sounds pretty straightforward and logical, right?
[10:12] <nomasteryoda> nox-Hand, out of space in /home?
[10:12] <YetiChick> billy: Should work.
[10:12] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: No
[10:12] <nomasteryoda> billy, yes.. but make sure you get all the stuff ... hidden files too
[10:12] <nox-Hand> Lin: Nothing, upgraded. Distupgrade in Feisty.
[10:12] <nomasteryoda> ok
[10:12] <nox-Hand> Lin: Same as apollo2011
[10:12] <Lin> upgraded is something :-)
[10:12] <Lin> and a bad something in a not stable thing.
[10:13] <billy> nomasteryoda, tarring with a -Ra flag should get the hidden's?
[10:13] <nox-Hand> Lin: How do I echo that command to a .txt file? I forgot :P
[10:13] <Lin> copy and past the shell
[10:13] <Lin> paste
[10:14] <billy> nox-Hand, there's an easier way.  for instance.  "command" | tee filename.txt
[10:14] <nox-Hand> Lin: Too long for scrollback
[10:14] <Lin> ?!?!?
[10:14] <Lin> weird
[10:15] <nox-Hand> http://paste.stgraber.org/429 <-- First part of the command
[10:15] <Lin> ( dpkg -l nvidia* linux-kernel*  ; uname -a ; lsmod | grep nvidia ) > file
[10:15] <billy> nox-Hand, like `ls -a | tee directory.txt`
[10:15] <nox-Hand> TheSilentW: the uname thing http://paste.stgraber.org/430
[10:15] <nox-Hand> billy: Indeed, thanks
[10:15] <billy> nox-Hand, ur welcome.
[10:16] <Lin> you miss the  | grep nvidia thing
[10:16] <nox-Hand> Lin: final http://paste.stgraber.org/431
[10:16] <Lin> nvidia is loaded.
[10:16] <Naddiseo> TheSilentW, guess who?!
[10:16] <Lin> nox-Hand: you have installed the kernel-source
[10:16] <billy> nomasteryoda, how can I make sure to get the hidden files?  cp -a, perhaps?
[10:17] <nox-Hand> Lin: Remove that?
[10:17] <Lin> no wati
[10:17] <Lin> wait
[10:17] <TheSilentW> NADDDD
[10:17] <Lin> where is the uname -a?
[10:17] <TheSilentW> :)
[10:17] <Naddiseo> lol
[10:17] <nox-Hand> Lin: sec
[10:17] <billy> not nice.
[10:17] <EmxBA> dpkg problem solved. rename status to status-old in /var/lib/dpkg
[10:18] <EmxBA> thanks google :)
[10:18] <nox-Hand> Lin: Linux reverie 2.6.20-13-generic #2 SMP Sun Mar 25 00:21:25 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:18] <Lin> ok
[10:18] <EmxBA> and touch /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:18] <Beta> Any one got an idea why my video playback would be really washed out?
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Lin: Note the fact that I have a theory ;)
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Lin: The newest kernel is -14
[10:19] <billy> Beta, mine looked like that too.  Just play with the contrast.
[10:19] <nox-Hand> But won't boot
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Fails and goes to busybox
[10:19] <nox-Hand> So I am in -13
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Which the newer drivers may not support?
[10:19] <nox-Hand>  /end theory
[10:19] <Lin> 1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-14.18
[10:19] <Lin> your nvidia glx
[10:19] <Lin> your kernel is 2.6.20-13-
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Lin: And I am in -13
[10:19] <Lin> isn't compatible
[10:19] <nox-Hand> Lin: Then I need to fix -14
[10:19] <Beta> So, its a glitch most likely. Billy, did it get fixed if you opened a second video app?
[10:20] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: ping
[10:20] <Lin> problem 2 ;-)
[10:20] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: Does your newest kernel boot or are you on an older one?
[10:20] <nox-Hand> Lin: Probably cause of problem 1 :P
[10:20] <TheVault> How would I upgrade my Edgy to Feisty Fawn. I have Feisty Fawn on a DVD, so what command would I do to upgrade using the DVD?
[10:20] <billy> Beta, no.  different for each app, as it's the app's contrast that I was adjusting.
[10:20] <billy> !upgrade
[10:21] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:21] <Beta> It was odd. I can get it to play normally if I play something else, pause it, and then open a different video app.
[10:21] <Lin> problem 1 discovered.. not fixed
[10:21] <apollo2011> nox-Hand: Right now I am running on the 2.6.20-14-386 Linux kernel.
[10:21] <Lin> nox-Hand: me too
[10:21] <nox-Hand> apollo2011: Right, unrelated problem then :P
[10:21] <nox-Hand> Lin: How might I fix my -14 :(
[10:21] <Lin> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:21] <Lin> I REALLY need aptitude
[10:22] <Lin> s/need/prefer/gh
[10:22] <nox-Hand> Lin: Not help :P
[10:22] <billy> TheVault, alt-f2.  then type: gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[10:22] <Lin> hmm weird
[10:22] <apollo2011> nox-Hand: My problem with the nvidia driver has been the same for weeks, I just started working on it recently and I figured doing an install of Feisty might help, but I get the same old results
[10:22] <bobber> hi! can i install the newest ati driver 8.35.3 in kubuntu 7.04? do they support it?
[10:22] <bobber>  i heard something of a wrong kernel version for the ati driver?
[10:22] <nox-Hand> Lin: I have -14
[10:22] <Lin> I have feisty with nvidia here
[10:22] <Lin> no problem
[10:22] <nox-Hand> Lin: It just fails boot after a while and enters busybox thing
[10:22] <Lin> what is the message before fail and the fail message?
[10:23] <nomasteryoda> you have different HD that ubuntu is installed on... say a second drive?
[10:23] <nox-Hand> Lin: That's the odd thing, there _is_ no fail message
[10:23] <Lin> weirdier!
[10:23] <nox-Hand> Can't I sorta apt-get remove NEWEST KERNEL and apt-get install it again x)
[10:24] <Lin> where it fail. what it is the latest thing that it does/load/run?
[10:24] <nomasteryoda> nox-Hand, do you have 2 hard drives?
[10:24] <Lin> --reinstall
[10:24] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: Yes Master Yoda.
[10:24] <bobber> does nobody know if i can install the newest ati driver 8.35.5 on feisty?
[10:24] <bobber> does it support them?
[10:24] <Lin> or apt-get remove
[10:24] <nomasteryoda> ah, and the new descriptors for ubuntu make them into /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2
[10:24] <bill_k> !fglrx
[10:24] <nox-Hand> Lin: I see no progress, it just hangs at [=                        ]   at the boot screen
[10:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:24] <nomasteryoda> er sdb1
[10:24] <nox-Hand> Lin: remove what?
[10:25] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: Yes, so? I know :)
[10:25] <bill_k> hmm
[10:25] <nomasteryoda> its an issue where grub can't find the kernel to run
[10:25] <Lin> linux-kernel-2.6.20.14
[10:25] <nox-Hand> Sorry
[10:25] <nomasteryoda> k
[10:25] <nox-Hand> Lin: Can I just remove it? :o
[10:25] <Lin> graphical boot screen?
[10:25] <divansantana> I'm wondering why Feisty RC is not yet released :(
[10:25] <nox-Hand> Lin: indeed
[10:25] <Lin> yes you can.. you aren't using it.
[10:25] <nomasteryoda> if you can hit esc on boot, you can edit the grub kernel line...
[10:25] <bill_k> the beta was a day late
[10:25] <divansantana> will prob be any hour but wanted to start downloading before going to bed so can run it tomorrow
[10:25] <nox-Hand> Lin: E: Couldn't find package linux-kernel-2.6.20.14
[10:25] <nox-Hand> :-\
[10:26] <bobber> yes i know this installation guide, but its not for feisty..
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> i will bet that kernel is on /dev/sdb1
[10:26] <Lin> nox-Hand: when grub loads press ESC then F2 and edit the line .. remove the  console= quiet and splash things
[10:26] <Lin> -14
[10:26] <Lin> not .14
[10:26] <Lin> my mistake
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> and grub points to (hd0,0)
[10:26] <nox-Hand> E: Couldn't find package linux-kernel-2.6.20-14 :)
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> nox-Hand, look at the grub menu...
[10:26] <nox-Hand> Lin:
[10:26] <Lin> add a -generic
[10:26] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: Why should grub be the reason? :?
[10:26] <Lin> linux-kernel-2.6.20-14-generic
[10:27] <Lin> linux image ;-)
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> if you are dropped to a busybox shell, it usually means that grub could not find the kernel img to load
[10:27] <Lin> LOL
[10:27] <Beta> I'm still having trouble getting DVDs to play. Ideas?
[10:27] <Lin> linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic
[10:27] <Vuen> hi
[10:27] <Beta> Note, I've followed the guide.
[10:27] <nox-Hand> E: Couldn't find package linux-kernel-2.6.20-14-generic
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> i've had it happen before .. with feisty
[10:27] <Vuen> we're back
[10:27] <Vuen> e2fsck showed no errors
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, you got space now?
[10:27] <Vuen> i deleted a few more gigs of stuff and it now shows free space
[10:27] <Vuen> yep
[10:27] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Hi.  Got room now?
[10:27] <Vuen> so very strange
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> god
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> good
[10:28] <Vuen> even stranger problems now
[10:28] <Vuen> so i rebooted
[10:28] <Vuen> now when i try to log in, it just gives me a konsole
[10:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[10:28] <Vuen> when i exit the konsole, it drops me back to the login screen
[10:28] <Vuen> it's like it's stuck in recovery mode
[10:28] <EmxBA> divansantana: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
[10:28] <Vuen> also, my tty1 is still screwed up, even though i rebooted. i'm on tty2.
[10:28] <nox-Hand> Lin: I give up :/
[10:28] <nox-Hand> Spent hours battling this
[10:28] <Vuen> nox-Hand: i know how you feel. sucks.
[10:29] <Lin> nox-Hand: dont give up
[10:29] <Lin> removed?
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> i am telling you nox-Hand
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> grub
[10:29] <nox-Hand> Lin: Still not found it
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> !grub
[10:29] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:29] <Lin> dpkg -l linux-image* and
[10:29] <Beta> Any one want to help me with DVD plya back?
[10:29] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: But how did it change from -13 to -14?
[10:29] <nox-Hand> I already used sda?
[10:29] <nox-Hand> stuff
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> they made some change to the kernel ... and grub
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[10:29] <Lin> !restricted-modules >beta
[10:30] <Vuen> !codecs>Beta
[10:30] <Vuen> Lin: you're thinking restricted formats
[10:30] <Vuen> restricted modules is binary blobs in the kernel
[10:30] <Lin> !restricted formats
[10:30] <Lin> yes
[10:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:30] <Beta> Already been there, done that.
[10:30] <Vuen> Beta: what doesn't work with dvd playback?
[10:31] <Beta> It says I can't read the stream. Which is odd.
[10:31] <Lin> Beta: did you ran install-css script?
[10:31] <Vuen> tried a different dvd?
[10:31] <nomasteryoda> nox-Hand, you can't even get to a normal tty1 ... right?
[10:31] <nomasteryoda> only busybox
[10:31] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: In the -13 kernel I can
[10:31] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: not in -14
[10:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[10:31] <nox-Hand> in -14 I can only get busybox
[10:32] <YetiChick> Vuen:  You had renamed your .kde folder, remember.  Did you put it back to the original name?
[10:32] <Beta> I believe I have, let me check.
[10:32] <Vuen> YetiChick: yep
[10:32] <nomasteryoda> so check the grub lines and make sure that -14 kernel uuid is the same as the one for -13 line
[10:32] <Beta> What is the exact name of the package?
[10:32] <YetiChick> I wonder if, since your drive was completely full, something in there got broken.  Perhaps try renaming it again.
[10:32] <Vuen> mm
[10:33] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: are the same
[10:33] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, also are you still the owner of ~/.kde
[10:33] <nomasteryoda> hmmm
[10:33] <Beta> Lin, what was the exact name of the package you wanted me to check for?
[10:33] <Lin> libdvdcss2
[10:33] <Lin> ii  libdvdcss2                1.2.5-1                   a portable abstraction library for DVD decryption
[10:33] <Beta> Yeah, got it.
[10:33] <Vuen> YetiChick: no dice. it made me a new .kde folder, but still only launches a konsole
[10:34] <Lin> dunno then.
[10:34] <Vuen> Beta: what version of libdvdcss2 did you get?
[10:34] <Beta> 1.2.9
[10:34] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, the gui console...failsafe?
[10:34] <Vuen> bahaha
[10:34] <Vuen> that's probably it
[10:34] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Did you try any of the other types of sessions?  failsafe?  gnome?
[10:34] <nox-Hand> nomasteryoda: be back in a bit, please write my name in sentence if talking to me, then I will notice it :)
[10:34] <nomasteryoda> if so, ctrl+alt+bkspace and click the computer icon to choose anotherone
[10:34] <nomasteryoda> k
[10:34] <Vuen> rofl
[10:34] <Vuen> i feel like a huge idiot
[10:35] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[10:35] <Vuen> it works now
[10:35] <nomasteryoda> ah, welll we all do sometimes
[10:35] <nomasteryoda> even yoda
[10:35] <Vuen> thanks
[10:36] <divansantana> EmxBA: Thanks but now im dissapointed
[10:36] <divansantana> EmxBA: but at least can sleep in peace :) Thanks, adios
[10:36] <Beta> Arg, I'm pissed with these two video issues.
[10:36] <EmxBA> :)
[10:36] <nox-Hand> Why won't it sta-a-aaart :(
[10:37] <EmxBA> it looked liked I've solved my problems but they remained :( dpkg annoys me
[10:37] <Vuen> okay. i put my xorg.conf back, my .kde back, everything works perfectly now
[10:37] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Congratulations.  :)
[10:37] <Vuen> anyway. that's really scary that you can't log in if you fill up /home
[10:38] <YetiChick> Vuen:  I don't know any OSes that gracefully handle a completely full hard drive.
[10:38] <Vuen> mmm
[10:38] <Vuen> i wonder if there's a bug report
[10:38] <EmxBA> that's ubuntu, YetiChick :)
[10:39] <YetiChick> Vuen:  Just curious?  How are you partitioned?
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> I've never filled /home, but if you fill / you can't view manpages (/tmp)
[10:40] <linxeh> tonyyarusso: so put /tmp and /var on  separate filesystems like sane systems do
[10:40] <YetiChick> EmxBA:  Well, I've been using various Unixes for 25+ years, and Linux for probably half of that...  And so far, although I've only been poking at it for a few weeks, I like Ubuntu a lot.
[10:40] <Beta> Ok! I have the exact error that I have when playing DVDs. IT is: Could not read from resource.
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> linxeh: Well, that doesn't magically create space either ;)
[10:41] <linxeh> tonyyarusso: sure, but it means that filling / or /home doesn't kill you :)
[10:41] <nox-Hand> Lin: Given up, going bed :-(
[10:41] <nox-Hand> Lin: It's an hour paste my regular bedtime anyhow
[10:41] <YetiChick> With modern drives being as inexpensive as they are, I've been having a hard time justifying extravagant partitioning schemes on individual drives.
[10:42] <EmxBA> I can speak a lot about Ubuntu :P YetiChick so I am also declared as harduser :D
[10:43] <zeroflag> talking about ubuntu isn't good.
[10:43] <YetiChick> EmxBA:  The way I dig into stuff, I expect to be quite facile with Ubuntu's intimate details pretty soon.  I also expect to break it quite a few times.  :)
[10:43] <zeroflag> got someone pretty mad at me because of that. :P
[10:43] <zeroflag> well, she was mad before I mentioned ubuntu... *thinks*
[10:44] <EmxBA> LOL
[10:44] <EmxBA> talking about Ubuntu isn't good for others who don't use it. we, humans, enjoy to listen others about it :)
[10:44] <YetiChick> EmxBA:  I broke Gentoo plenty of times.  :)  (Although that's been getting easier lately.)  Playing with Arch and Ubuntu now.
[10:44] <Beta> Do you still neeed DVDread?
[10:45] <EmxBA> the problem is, I didn't cause the damage, I haven't edited that damn file. problem occured somehow :)
[10:46] <Beta> Could be I still need the gstreamer dvd plugin.
[10:52] <shirish> Hi all I am getting this error The playback of this movie requires a RealVideo 4.0 decoder plugin which is not installed.
[10:53] <athena> shirish, you need the realvideo 4 decoder, which is proprietary
[10:53] <athena> google for w32codecs
[10:54] <shirish> athena: w32codecs are is not in the repos?
[10:55] <athena> shirish, no, they're not, because they're illegal
[10:56] <athena> google for "debian multimedia w32codecs"
[10:56] <shirish> damn, RM
[10:56] <athena> real sucks...
[10:56] <athena> anyway, must get back to writing paper..
[10:57] <shirish> athena: I guess wmv is also therein  in the w32codecs
[10:57] <athena> yes
[10:57] <athena> wmv3 (also called wmv9), wmv1 and wmv2 are covered by ffmpeg
[10:57] <shirish> damn & I was trying all the gstreamer stuff
[10:57] <athena> gstreamer is kinda lame :-\
[10:58] <shirish> hmm.... seems like it, hopefully this w32codecs is answer to all my prayers, gstreamer is an open source thing, right?
[10:58] <AngryElf> 119 updates?
[10:58] <tovella> shirish: does ubuntu-restricted-extras not work for you?
[10:59] <AngryElf> it better solve the mystery of the universe
[10:59] <shirish> tovella: nope, I have not been able to download the gstreamer plugin from there
[11:00] <shirish> tovella: it tells me you need this driver, and then promptly shuts off, and I get visualisations & audio
[11:00] <shirish> tovella: no way to know if its downloaded or not
[11:01] <shirish> even manual install of gstreamer-0.10.0 ffmpeg does not work, do not know what I am doing wrong
[11:01] <tovella> ...i wonder why...  what about manually installing packages from a shell or using "add-remove-programs"/
[11:01] <tovella> ?
[11:02] <athena> shirish, if you're still using totem-gstreamer, I recommend changing to totem-xine...
[11:02] <athena> then you don't need to fool around with that gstreamer nonsense
[11:02] <shirish> athena: ok I am using totem player I think
[11:03] <shirish> athena: any way to make sure?
[11:03] <tovella> totem can use either.
[11:03] <athena> uh yeah, totem calls itself "movie player"
[11:03] <athena> tovella, it can, but only one backend at a time can be installed
[11:03] <shirish> athena: I have both here, movie player, mplayer and gxsine
[11:04] <tovella> agreed.
[11:04] <athena> shirish, you have mplayer? then what are you fiddling around with gstreamer for?
[11:04] <athena> use mplayer!
[11:04] <shirish> I always get an error with mplayer
[11:05] <tovella> shirish: if you type "aptitude search totem" you will see which transport totem is using (gstreamer or xine).
[11:05] <athena> shirish, what error?
[11:05] <cyberkun> hello
[11:06] <shirish> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-v0) device
[11:06] <shirish> I do not know whether it is v0 or vO
[11:06] <athena> shirish, oh, open the preferences and under "video", change the driver to "xv"
[11:06] <cyberkun> I have an issue with installing Feisty beta... when I use the Alt-F2 method and pick upgrade to Feist
[11:06] <cyberkun> I got this
[11:06] <cyberkun> The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[11:06] <cyberkun> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[11:06] <cyberkun> installArchives() failed
[11:08] <shirish> now I get cannot get selected codec stuff
[11:08] <athena> shirish, what kind of video you trying to play?
[11:08] <cyberkun> am I not seen or something?
[11:08] <athena> cyberkun, we see you, but we don't understand it either
[11:08] <cyberkun> alright
[11:09] <shooters> cyberkun: can you pastebin your /var/log/dist-upgrade/ term.log, main.log and apt.log
[11:09] <shooters> !pastebin
[11:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:09] <shirish> tovella: using aptitude search totem brings about 10 files up
[11:09] <shirish> athena : A movie I downloaded
[11:09] <athena> shirish, what *format*
[11:09] <shirish> athena: its in .rm
[11:10] <shirish> athena: there is also one in .wmv
[11:10] <athena> oh yeah, now we're back to the w32codecs question, you shoulda said that earlier
[11:10] <eugman> Hmmm, is a week to early to safely to a upgrade?
[11:10] <athena> shirish, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb - download that file and install it "dpkg -i <filename>.deb"
[11:11] <shirish> already doing that
[11:11] <tovella> shirish: you should see one that says 'totem-gtreamer...", or "totem-xine...".  that will tell you which one is installed.
[11:11] <athena> eugman, it's a release candidate, so it's mostly stable now - don't use it if your life depends on it
[11:12] <shirish> tovella: somehow I have both
[11:12] <shirish> tovella : I can pastebin it if u want
[11:12] <cyberkun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15279/
[11:12] <athena> shirish, they're both listed, but only one is installed, go ahead and paste
[11:12] <eugman> what's the command to update? update-manager -d ?
[11:12] <cyberkun> thats what I used
[11:12] <tovella> shirish: all the way towards the left, you will see one who's line starts with "i" for installed.
[11:13] <shirish> tovella: ok then it is totem-gstreamer
[11:13] <shirish> tovella: so how do I remove that & instead use the gxine version?
[11:13] <shooters> cyberkun: did it download the packages?
[11:13] <cyberkun> yea
[11:13] <cyberkun> I got them installed
[11:14] <cyberkun> it started to run and I got the error
[11:14] <tovella> shirish: is this file on a website somewhere?  perhaps i could test it?  i use gstreamer.
[11:14] <cyberkun> I then tryed again
[11:14] <athena> shirish, "apt-get install totem-xine" - but mplayer + w32codecs should fix your problems
[11:14] <cyberkun> after restarting
[11:14] <shirish> sure
[11:14] <shooters> cyberkun: all of them? or did it stopped midstream?
[11:14] <cyberkun> no
[11:14] <cyberkun> I made sure to let the thing run
[11:14] <cyberkun> it downloaded all of the files
[11:14] <cyberkun> then it started to install
[11:14] <eugman> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[11:15] <cyberkun> then that got an error, so I restarted the computer and tryed to go again
[11:15] <shirish> tovella: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15280/
[11:15] <shirish> athena: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15280/
[11:15] <shooters> cyberkun: and are you in feisty now?
[11:15] <tovella> shirish: gstreamer used to have a lot more problems, but since using feisty, i've stayed with it.  i imagine the ubuntu developers have a very good reason for sticking with it, and I trust them.
[11:15] <cyberkun> no
[11:16] <cyberkun> the issue is
[11:16] <athena> shirish, you have totem-gstreamer installed, you can get totem-xine instead if you want
[11:16] <shirish> dilemna
[11:16] <athena> but, seriously, forget totem, it's all about mplayer +w32codecs
[11:16] <tovella> shirish: so what's the address for the file.
[11:16] <cyberkun> when I try to install Fiesty,  I get this on my distribution upgrade window
[11:16] <athena> that will play *everything*
[11:16] <cyberkun> Could not install the upgrades
[11:16] <cyberkun> The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[11:16] <shirish> tovella: thats top secret lol
[11:16] <cyberkun> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[11:16] <cyberkun> installArchives() failed
[11:17] <athena> cyberkun, it means the status of the packages installed on your system is beyond the handling ability of the upgrader
[11:17] <athena> do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:17] <cyberkun> yea
[11:17] <tovella> shirish: leave that porn alone - lol.
[11:17] <cyberkun> it is on OS
[11:17] <cyberkun> OS? I ment hardrive
[11:18] <shirish> tovella: naughty naughty
[11:18] <cyberkun> yea I have no issue with Ubuntu execpt the fact that the download manger is giving me
[11:18] <cyberkun> installArchives() failed
[11:18] <athena> shirish, look, go ahead and ignore me if you want, but just install the f***ing w32codecs and play it in mplayer
[11:18] <shirish> cyberkun: sometimes it happens with me too, try changing the mirror and update
[11:18] <Chetwin> Hey all.  I have an issue with my key bindings for volume control
[11:18] <shooters> cyberkun: can you boot in feisty?
[11:19] <shirish> athena: already playing the file with w32codecs+mplayer
[11:19] <athena> ok
[11:19] <Chetwin> Just recently I noticed that the volume controls are controlling the PCM instead of the Master volume.
[11:19] <Chetwin> How can I remedy this?
[11:19] <cyberkun> shirish... Im a bit of an idiot but how do I correctly change mirror...
[11:19] <athena> shirish, well, anyway, the choice between gstreamer and xine is up to you, gstreamer used to suck but it's apparently better now
[11:19] <shirish> cyberkun: go to System > Administration > Software sources
[11:20] <cyberkun> change main server to server for US right?
[11:20] <shirish> open that & you will see something about using main mirror or your country mirror, just choose the other
[11:20] <Chetwin> Olie olie oxen free
[11:20] <shirish> IIRC its UK
[11:20] <athena> if you choose gstreamer, you'll need "gstreamer0.10-plugin-ffmpeg", "gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly", "gstreamer-plugins-bad", and "gstreamer-plugins-bad-multiverse"
[11:20] <shirish> just change to main mirror
[11:20] <cyberkun> thats what it was
[11:21] <Chetwin> Just recently I noticed that the volume controls are controlling the PCM instead of the Master volume.  Can anyone suggest an option to change my volume controls back to master control?
[11:21] <athena> shirish, oh wait, that was "gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg" instead of "gstreamer0.10-plugin-ffmpeg"
[11:21] <athena> Chetwin, right-click on your volume control applet and choose "open volume control"
[11:21] <cyberkun> I am trying not to bug much, but to pick from where I download... normaly main server... well I cant change it to the one for the US even though it is on the little drop down menu...
[11:22] <shirish> athena: I know they need to really work on installing the codecs thing
[11:22] <athena> meh
[11:22] <Chetwin> athena: go on
[11:22] <shooters> cyberkun: why can't you change it?
[11:22] <cyberkun> ahhhh says the whole thing is out of date
[11:22] <cyberkun> the almost feisty must of made it outofdate
[11:22] <athena> Chetwin, that should bring up a dialog to control cd, master, pcm, and line-in volume?
[11:22] <cyberkun> just fixing now
[11:22] <Chetwin> correct
[11:23] <shirish> cyberkun: it will reload the things, let it sync with the mirror
[11:23] <cyberkun> yea
[11:23] <athena> oh... change your vl control back to master, one sec
[11:23] <athena> Chetwin, even easier, right-click on the mixer icon and choose "preferences"
[11:23] <shirish> ok guys thanx for your time :)
[11:23] <Chetwin> okay
[11:25] <Chetwin> athena: I'm listening
[11:25] <athena> Chetwin, uh.... should be self-explanatory from there?
[11:26] <Chetwin> Negative.
[11:26] <shooters> cyberkun: works?
[11:26] <Chetwin> There's no option to change the control
[11:26] <cyberkun> well it isnt working
[11:26] <cyberkun> changing servvers
[11:26] <cyberkun> so Ill try the update one mroe time
[11:27] <cyberkun> nope
[11:27] <shooters> cyberkun: open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[11:28] <tovella> athena: sorry, the phone rang - trying to get maintenance people to fix my the hot water in my apartment.  why do you think the ubuntu developers continue to choose totem-gstreamer over xine?  just curious.
[11:28] <cyberkun> AHHHH
[11:28] <cyberkun> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[11:28] <cyberkun> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:28] <cyberkun> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `nautilus':
[11:28] <cyberkun>  value for `status' field not allowed in this context
[11:28] <cyberkun> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[11:28] <athena> tovella, because that's what the GNOME team actively develops
[11:28] <tovella> ahh.
[11:30] <tovella> i used to install xine on every machine, but since herd-5, i've been pretty comfortable with gstreamer.
[11:30] <Beta> Is there a big difference between Xine and Gstreamer?
[11:30] <_Neil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/105953
[11:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 105953 in Ubuntu "Edgy & Fiesty LiveCD and fresh install hang with graphical corruption at splash screen(nVidia)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:31] <_Neil> any chanced this will be fixed before fesity release?
[11:31] <_Neil> and have I put it into the right category?
[11:31] <jannes> err i'm having a problem with feisty fawn. Since I installed the latest patches today, I can't type any character into the username field in gdm. Gdm immediately crashes and restarts  after I press a key. Does anyone know what did happen to my feisty system?
[11:31] <tovella> athena: i just wish shirish would have given up the goods (a url) so I could test the file he was trying to watch.
[11:32] <athena> lolz
[11:32] <athena> I don't do wmv or real so I don't think I'd have cared :-\
[11:32] <cjsoftuk> I'm having a problem with Hiberntion, I told Feisty to hibernate, and it did so, but then it didn't resume, instead it just booted as if nothing had been hibernated.  What do I need to do?
[11:32] <Beta> Guys, what's the difference between Gstreamer and Xine?
[11:33] <athena> Beta, gstreamer is a framework for GNOME... xine is a media playback engine...
[11:34] <Beta> Hm.......Ah, so Using the Xine backend for totem may fix my video playback issues?
[11:34] <shooters> cyberkun: do a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/available, then run 'dpkg --clear-avail' and then 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[11:34] <tovella> beta: same as the difference between judaism & islam - both work but it's been the reason for much fighting, lately.
[11:35] <Beta> Hm...maybe.
[11:36] <tovella> Beta: do you have a URL for a file you're having playback problems with?  perhaps I could test?
[11:36] <cyberkun> ARG
[11:36] <shooters> cyberkun: works?
[11:37] <Beta> Its all Video. It looks washed out. And don't get me started on DVD playback
[11:37] <cyberkun> when you say run 'dpkg --clear-avail' you mean run that command in a teminal?
[11:37] <shooters> run 'sudo dpkg --clear-avail' in a terminal, ya...
[11:37] <cyberkun> hmmm
[11:38] <cyberkun> I get this... dpkg: bulk available update requires write access to dpkg status area... my guess is I need to run as admin but I thought that was already going
[11:38] <shooters> ?
[11:38] <tovella> Beta: sounds like you machine has some other problem.  have you tried playing with VLC?
[11:38] <shooters> cyberkun: did you 'sudo dpkg' or only 'dpkg'?
[11:39] <Beta> Doesn't matter, all apps are the same. However, if I play any video in one app, pause it, and then open any other video in a different app, It looks fine.
[11:39] <cyberkun> I thought 'dpkg --clear-avail ment run dpkg --clear-avail in a single line
[11:39] <shooters> cyberkun: I forgot the sudo part... so it's    'sudo dpkg --clear-avail'  -> sudo means run as admin (root)
[11:40] <cyberkun> there we go
[11:40] <shooters> cyberkun: then 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[11:40] <tovella> Beta: yeah, i think you may have some other problem, but then again, perhaps not.  why not try installing totem-xine, just as a test?
[11:40] <cyberkun> yea, when I did the dpkg command with sudo it just went thorw
[11:41] <Beta> I did, wouldn't even load.
[11:41] <cyberkun> then I did the apt-get upgrade
[11:41] <shooters> cyberkun: worked?
[11:41] <cyberkun> just need to type y
[11:41] <cyberkun> and see it it runs
[11:41] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[11:41] <cyberkun> YEY
[11:41] <cyberkun> IT IS RUNNING STUFF
[11:41] <shooters> good...
[11:42] <cyberkun> now just let that run
[11:42] <cyberkun> then go for fiesty install
[11:42] <cyberkun> ?
[11:42] <tovella> Beta: sounds like a problem i had with an old ATI card.  it turned out the card was defective.
[11:42] <shooters> that should complete your feisty install...
[11:42] <cyberkun> ahhh good
[11:42] <cyberkun> great in fact
[11:42] <cyberkun> yeah I had my hard drive partitioned
[11:42] <Beta> Its not, i'm getting perfect playback in windows.
[11:42] <cyberkun> and I just installed UButbu yesterday
[11:43] <BluesKaj> anyone have DRI working on their fglrx ati systems ?...had it working ok in edgy but it fails in feisty
[11:43] <Room-102> Does Kubuntu Feisty have the restricted drivers manager like Ubuntu does?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> I miss my google earth ! :(
[11:43] <cyberkun> well Im going to play Super Paper MArio again.. if anything goes wrong with the thing Ill be here in case and if it runs correctly Ill praise Shooters for a while then go on my way
[11:44] <shooters> ok...
[11:44] <tovella> Room-102: it certainly should.  they come from the same repository.
[11:44] <Room-102> tovella: Good
[11:45] <TheSilentW> anyone here know a reason why would aptana be slow on a fast computer? (aptana channel, no reply)
[11:45] <Beta> Tovella, any ideas?
[11:45] <TheSilentW> anyone here know a reason why would aptana be slow on a fast computer? (aptana channel, no reply) or any other java application
[11:45] <Beta> Hm.......
[11:45] <tovella> Beta: what video card?
[11:45] <Beta> intell onboard
[11:46] <tovella> Beta: how old?
[11:46] <Beta> Dell XPS m140. So...about a year.
[11:46] <Beta> Little more.
[11:47] <Beta> I'm going to re-install 915 resolution.
[11:47] <tovella> Beta: that's really interesting.  it should work just fine.  perhaps something weird is set to on in CMOS setting?
[11:47] <Beta> Maybe. Who knows. I'm just wondering why Video is so washed out like it is.
[11:48] <tovella> Beta: did it work before using another resolution?
[11:48] <Beta> It worked before using the current resolution, then I tried installing the Xine version of Totem to get DVD playback to work, it wouldn't load, so I went back to the normal version of totem. That's when the issues started happening.
[11:49] <tovella> ahh, no backups.
[11:52] <Beta> Any ideas Tovella?
[11:53] <tovella> not really.  i'm thinking, but i haven't come up with anything useful.
[11:54] <tritonx> any idea if persistent mode will be fixed ?
[11:56] <Beta> What Xine packages do I need to play AVI?
[11:57] <cyberkun> shooter you alive?
[11:58] <shooters> cyberkun: ya
[11:58] <cyberkun> well the thing seemed to finsihed but I dont realy know where to go from here
[11:59] <shooters> cyberkun: pastebin your 'cat /etc/lsb-release'
[11:59] <cyberkun> it isnt a problem at this point... I just have no clue what to do
[12:00] <cyberkun> the last thing the terminal says is
[12:00] <cyberkun> Setting up po-debconf (1.0.8) ...
[12:00] <cyberkun> then the imput thing goes up
[12:00] <cyberkun> it already downloaded a ton of stuff it seems...
[12:00] <shooters> cyberkun: did the upgrade finish?
[12:00] <cyberkun> seems that way
[12:01] <shooters> than pastebin your 'cat /etc/lsb-release'
[12:01] <cyberkun> just dont know what to do at this point...
[12:01] <UNDERsoN> what rc or beta 2 will be avalible
[12:01] <macd> UNDERsoN, topic.
[12:02] <cyberkun> yea the things are veyr wierd at this point so IM running sudo apt-get upgrade again
[12:02] <gnomefreak> btw the RC will be a few days late there was an issue that needs to be fixed first
[12:03] <shooters> cyberkun: what do you mean very weird??
[12:03] <cyberkun> going into the folders
[12:03] <cyberkun> I get the circle square things you normaly get if the font you need to see isnt installed
[12:03] <UNDERsoN> macd So as I understand no beta 2 no rc ?
[12:03] <cyberkun> when I did the sudp apt-get upgrade again I got
[12:03] <cyberkun> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 248 not upgraded.
[12:03] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: restart
[12:03] <Darwin> According to Wikipedia, the Feisty Release Candidate is released today
[12:03] <cyberkun> alright
[12:03] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: wait
[12:03] <cyberkun> wait
[12:04] <cyberkun> k
[12:04] <shooters> cyberkun: can you pastebin the entire output?
[12:04] <macd> Darwin, read the topic, the RC will be released on the week of the 19th.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: wait first run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade if you did that please run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:04] <macd> UNDERsoN, same ^^
[12:04] <gnomefreak> macd: re read it it doesnt say that
[12:05] <gnomefreak> it says the release date is week of 19th
[12:05] <aubade> I'm lost, 20070412 was rejected so 20070411 is the RC?
[12:05] <cyberkun> !pastebin
[12:05] <cyberkun> wait
[12:05] <cyberkun> thats not it
[12:05] <gnomefreak> aubade: no rc yet
[12:05] <aubade> gnomefreak: Ah, alright.
[12:05] <macd> gnomefreak, Im not sure how I didnt say the week of the 19th.
[12:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> arejay: rc will be released in a few days
[12:06] <Darwin> macd, I know but I've read some conflicting info online so I want to make sure
[12:06] <macd> nvm, rc not week of.....
[12:06] <gnomefreak> macd: you said rc will be released week of 19th
[12:06] <macd> yeah ;)
[12:06] <cyberkun> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15282/
[12:06] <UNDERsoN> week 19th  is release not RC
[12:06] <cyberkun> thats after the install
[12:06] <gnomefreak> it should be fixed and out this weekend we hope
[12:06] <macd> nasty kernel bug
[12:07] <aubade> So 20070411 is just a candidate for the release candidate? Oh, if ever there was something to say five times fast.
[12:07] <shooters> cyberkun: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[12:07] <gnomefreak> its ati/kernel
[12:07] <Darwin> so when is the RC released?
[12:08] <zdzichuBG> there are like over 200 nasty kernel bugs :/
[12:08] <cyberkun> there we go agian
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Darwin: noone knows yet
[12:08] <aubade> The projected date was today, apparently it'll be out in the next few days.
[12:08] <cyberkun> lots of files are downloaded
[12:08] <cyberkun> ing
[12:08] <shooters> cyberkun: all 248 packages?
[12:08] <cyberkun> 248 upgraded, 108 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:08] <cyberkun> Need to get 5761kB/342MB of archives.
[12:08] <cyberkun> After unpacking 360MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:08] <cyberkun> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[12:08] <gnomefreak> upgrade doesnt get everything
[12:08] <cyberkun> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main libpanel-applet2-0 1:2.18.1-0ubuntu3 [103kB] 
[12:09] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: ok dont paste
[12:09] <cyberkun> yea I noticed
[12:09] <cyberkun> It is too big
[12:09] <Darwin> gnomefreak, thanks for clearing that up
[12:09] <cyberkun> I wanted to remove a few lines but they got sent beforehand
[12:09] <cypherdelic> Can somebody help me with nvidia-glx-new
[12:09] <cypherdelic> ??
[12:10] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: what about it?
[12:10] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ glxinfo
[12:10] <cypherdelic> name of display: :1.0
[12:10] <cypherdelic> display: :1  screen: 0
[12:10] <cypherdelic> direct rendering: No
[12:10] <TheSilentW> how do i outdate my java runtimes (JRE ?) cause aptana is really show, i read something about it at school but i dont remember :(
[12:10] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: what card do you have?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: what card do you have
[12:10] <cypherdelic> nvidia 7600 go
[12:11] <_Neil> Hey gnomefreak, did you ever figure out that Realplayer bug?
[12:11] <cyberkun> video card? thats not an issue here. It was the fiesty wasnting installing correctly. I belive Shooter got this issue
[12:11] <_Neil> Might have a look at it again tonight.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> _Neil: no i havent had time to look
[12:11] <gnomefreak> cyberkun: it was for someone else auto complete error
[12:11] <_Neil> cool cool, I'll add any progress I make to the bug report
[12:12] <cyberkun> thats what I thought but you said cyberkun first so I count be sure
[12:15] <holle> hi
[12:16] <cyberkun> hello holle
[12:17] <Hairulfr>       hello cyberkun
[12:17] <holle> i have an feisty issue ...it's booting fine with my old edgy kernel/initrd.img, but with the new feisty kernel my system is unable to mount the root fs ("waiting for root filesystem"). I am using  lilo as bootloader on a macbook (sata drive, intel chipset).... i appended root=UUID:myid tolilo
[12:17] <holle> i have no idea what to try next :-(
[12:18] <TheSilentW> anyone know how to let windows freely slide (like when u turn off friction on the wobble settings) but without the atual wobble in beryl?
[12:18] <TheSilentW> wrong channel :(
[12:23] <nomasteryoda> TheSilentW, turn off water?
[12:23] <TheSilentW> dont have water
[12:23] <jamie> any one help the gnome panel has disapeared for the user jamie not any other users. cant get it back any ideas?
[12:24] <nomasteryoda> hmm, let me look
[12:25] <atselby> Can i get help with Feisty desktop effects?
[12:25] <nomasteryoda> under Visual effects, wobbly windows is offi?
[12:25] <TheSilentW> no
[12:25] <nomasteryoda> k
[12:25] <nomasteryoda> what about shiver?
[12:26] <ulmolavender> ah, networkmanager died, I had to reconnect with wlassistant :/
[12:26] <TheSilentW> i turn it on/off and saw no effect
[12:26] <atselby> >>
[12:26] <nomasteryoda> you restart beryl?
[12:26] <TheSilentW> nope
[12:26] <TheSilentW> should i?
[12:26] <nomasteryoda> i've had to do that before
[12:26] <TheSilentW> so...i turn off shiver?
[12:26] <Arwen> that network monitor applet always shows "no connection" for me, anyone else getting taht issue?
[12:27] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:27] <TheSilentW> can u tell me your settings
[12:27] <TheSilentW> for that wobbly plugin
[12:27] <TheSilentW> i am new to linux and beryl so
[12:27] <TheSilentW> xD
[12:27] <nomasteryoda> hold on
[12:27] <nomasteryoda> np