TheSilentWcan anyone recommend me easy to use a SVN and a FTP client, i am new to linux12:28
TheSilentWforgot the commas xD12:29
TheSilentWcan anyone recommend me, easy to use, a SVN and a FTP client, i am new to linux12:29
TheSilentWmakes more sence now12:29
choudeshok all, I am out.12:30
choudeshI am going to play some wow12:30
iXneonXiTheSilentW: defaults?12:30
TheSilentWno need12:30
TheSilentWif i can install them from console12:30
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TheSilentWwithout problems12:30
TheSilentWixneonxi, how any?12:31
TheSilentWixneonxi, khow any?12:31
TheSilentWmy spelling sux today12:32
iXneonXiI'd just say use what comes with the system12:32
iXneonXifor FTP in windows I use Filezilla, but in Linux gftp comes with it, so I just use that12:32
TheSilentWso, if you may, what is it?12:32
TheSilentWhmm where can i find it?12:32
TheSilentWin the internet menu theres no ftp client12:33
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johnnybuoybilly, E: Couldn't find package compiz-tray-icon12:33
iXneonXitype gftp in synaptic12:33
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TheSilentWand for SVN?12:33
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johnnybuoybilly, gnome-compiz-manager?12:33
billyjohnnybuoy: try just running the command "compiz-tray-icon".12:33
iXneonXiTheSilentW, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285359&highlight=tortoise%2520svn might help12:34
johnnybuoybilly, sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager12:34
billyjohnnybuoy: try it out, tell me about it.12:34
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krupslast nvidia release fubared my nvidia configuration.  is complaining about kernel users version XXXX and nvidia is using YYYYYY.  anybody else having similar?12:35
TheSilentWixneonxi, thx12:38
johnnybuoybilly, wow, it's great!12:38
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iXneonXiwhat's great xD?12:38
billyjohnnybuoy: yeah?  you're using it with "Desktop Effects", not a Compiz "install" right?12:39
johnnybuoyI don't have any extra compiz repo enabled, if that's what you mean, billy12:40
billyjohnnybuoy: hmm ... you got me curious.12:40
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billyjohnnybuoy: oh goodness.  I think that's what I've been using all along.  silly me.12:41
johnnybuoyI like it, I mean, the config is easy enough, I like the corner with mousebutton thing AND the window focus is not as buggy12:41
johnnybuoybut, I miss only one thing from beryl12:42
billyjohnnybuoy: yeah.  "not as buggy" is what got me to use the stock Desktop Effects.  I really would like some animation though.12:42
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phaidrosso, feisty will ship with kernel 2.6.20 or 21 ?12:42
johnnybuoyit's the rotating cube on scrollwheelondesktop12:42
johnnybuoy.20, I'd guess12:42
phaidrosok. hopefully all the neccesary patches will make it in12:43
phaidrosthere is alot with suspend/hibernation/sound/display issues :/12:43
phaidroshehe, all of them hit my poor thinkpad :/12:43
phaidrosblank screen after suspend12:43
johnnybuoyphaidros, ever tried the uswsusp package and powersaved?12:44
billyjohnnybuoy: what's "annotate" and 'clone"?12:44
phaidrosor no sound after hibernation :)12:44
johnnybuoyclone I dunno12:44
johnnybuoybut annotate let's you draw on yer desktop&windows&whatever12:44
phaidrosI doubt its the gnome powermanager, looks more like acpi/kernel12:44
johnnybuoybut there are hacks for that...12:45
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johnnybuoymaybe one works for your thinkpad12:45
billyjohnnybuoy: what's the point of drawing and such?  to highlight for screenshots and such?12:45
johnnybuoyeg. posting the video or sumthin12:45
phaidroshm, I give it a shot. thanx johnnybuoy12:45
johnnybuoybilly, eg. a presentation12:45
johnnybuoyhere you can see a....12:45
johnnybuoyand you circle it with red12:45
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phaidroswhich packages are actually involved for suspend/resume by default, only gnome-powermanager? that itself uses acpi? where do uswsusp or powersaved come in place?12:48
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phaidrosah, apmd & powernowd12:49
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phaidrosiXneonXi: crossing fingers for ya ;)12:50
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johnnybuoyphaidros, well, how does this work: acpid listens for events12:50
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johnnybuoyand suspend works by doing " echo mem > /sys/power/state "12:51
johnnybuoyhere the same thing happens, but12:51
johnnybuoyuswsusp has a whitelist of laptops working, with the specific hacks to make suspending work12:51
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johnnybuoyso it first does the hack, then does echo mem > /sys/power/state12:51
johnnybuoyphaidros, ^12:52
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johnnybuoyat resume also, it posts the video if it's needed12:52
johnnybuoyot restores the vbe12:52
cab10886i need help with my ati card12:52
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johnnybuoyokay, now everytime someone says my name in xchat, I get a very annoying _*BEEP*_ sound from my PC speaker12:56
johnnybuoyhow can I turn this off?12:56
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johnnybuoyand DON'T say my name!12:57
xtknightjohnnybuoy, not sure :P12:57
johnnybuoydon't do it! :D12:57
xtknightmute your pc speaker12:57
johnnybuoyhow do I do that?12:57
xtknightalsamixer probably12:57
xtknighti dont even think i have a pc speaker anymore12:58
johnnybuoynah, I can't12:58
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johnnybuoyI don't know how I have one either12:58
johnnybuoythis is a brand new laptop12:58
johnnybuoymy old laptop didn't have a PC speaker..12:59
xtknightxchat preferences sound, maybe something there12:59
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AMTXPis RC for fiesty expected soon?12:59
johnnybuoythis is VERY frustrating, especially that people are sleeping around me and it's REALLY LOUD12:59
LeeJunFanman this blows, feisty is due apr 19th in it's current state I'm going back to edgy or debian. 64 second hal startup and battery/ac problems on laptops, and can't burn DVD-R's. :(12:59
johnnybuoyxtknight, nope, not there12:59
xtknighthm i dunno use another irc client for the time being01:00
AMTXPwhat timezone tommorow01:00
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xtknightnobody knows01:00
xtknighttomorrow +/- 48 hrs01:00
AMTXPi heard it was coming out in the next few minutes01:00
johnnybuoysay my name say my name01:00
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johnnybuoyxtknight, w00t01:01
johnnybuoyI just disabled esd..01:01
xtknightmute of pc speaker?01:01
xtknightwhy are there so many sound daemons anyway?01:01
xtknightesd is enlightenment01:01
johnnybuoyI dunno01:01
johnnybuoyisn't alsa+dmix enough01:01
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cab10886guys, i've been trying to get my card working01:02
cab10886but i still can't01:02
xtknightyour 'card'?01:03
xtknightvaltentines card?  sound card?01:03
cab10886i'll found something odd in my Xorg.0.log01:03
cab10886Graphics card, ATI 9600xt01:03
cab10886it works fine for 2d, not for 3d...  suposedly the ati drivers work with 3d01:04
xtknighteven the open source should be direct rendering, partially01:04
xtknightfglrx will enable full 3d and all opengl visuals01:04
cab10886yes, been trying to install that one01:04
cab10886(II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:01:05
cab10886(II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx01:05
cab10886(II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.28.801:05
cab10886(II) fglrx(0):     Date: Aug 17 200601:05
cab10886(II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module01:05
cab10886oh i just saw the following line01:06
cab10886(WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.01:06
cab10886(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.35.501:07
cab10886(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: LGDr8.35g101:07
cab10886(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Mar 27 2007 12:13:0301:07
cab10886(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Information: autobuild-rel-r6-
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cab10886alas the module was created. (using the ubuntu instructions 'how to')01:08
AMTXPif i were to download the beta, would i be able to upgrade it with the update program01:08
cab10886but the driver seems to be from the previous install of it using the ati instructions01:08
cab10886I already tried to download the beta but it refused to....01:09
AMTXPif i were to download the fiesty beta, would i be able to upgrade to the fiesty RC / fiesty release without downloading the new version?01:11
cab10886if you were to up to the beta, you have to run a command and it installs everything automaticaly01:12
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MarcNAMTXP: yes.01:13
AMTXPok cool01:13
cab10886when the final comes out... it will update using the package manager01:13
os2macanyone else having problems  with Knetworkmanager?01:13
cab10886no need to download the whole install CD01:13
AMTXPok well i'll probably dl the final release so i can install it elsewhere01:13
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AMTXPalso, will the LiveCD screw up my mbr01:13
AMTXPbecause with 6.10, that is what it does01:13
cab10886if you install it wrong, yes :P01:14
MarcNAMTXP: not if you don't choose to install.01:14
AMTXPwell i know how to install it, but i'm cautious of it - i need to know if it supports the drivers for my IDE hd....if it doesn't - it will screw up my mbr, and i'd have to reformat and reinstall everything.01:15
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AMTXPite8211 (aka UT8211 or lspci) is the driver my motherboard uses01:17
AMTXP*(aka IT8211)01:17
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mon^rchxopher: tahnk-you again for suggesting I remove network-manager!01:18
AMTXPi'll try it01:19
AMTXPbut i'll backup first01:19
AMTXPmaybe not01:20
AMTXPif I had a SATA hd i would have this problem01:20
mon^rchI can't wait to get my WD 500 gb hard drive  (slurp)01:21
mon^rchonly 12 more days :D01:21
os2macTonio_ ?01:21
AMTXPwell i'll dl and burn the cd01:22
AMTXPnot sure if i'll use it through01:22
AMTXPif it doesn't detect my hd01:22
AMTXPwill I be able to exit the install without it screwing up my mbr?01:22
AMTXP(using the regular installer - LiveCD)01:23
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AMTXPi need to dual boot01:23
AMTXPcan i do that with Ubuntu?01:23
MarcNAMTXP: of course you can dual boot.01:23
mon^rchAMTXP: yes.... it will install a new bootloader and give you the choice :)01:23
mon^rchubuntu is VERY nice01:24
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AMTXPhow do I safely stop the install01:24
viohiya :)01:24
AMTXPif it doesn't detect my hd01:24
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots01:24
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MarcNAMTXP: I would recommend you install edgy and not feisty until it is released.01:24
mon^rch!hi > vio01:24
viofeisty in incredibly stable.. :)01:24
AMTXPwell edgy didn't01:24
AMTXPso no no01:24
AMTXPI'm hoping that with the new kernel, fiesty will have the driver for my hd01:25
vioedgy didn't wasn't stable enough with beryl and compiz for me01:25
viodidn't.. lol01:25
AMTXPbecause the latest Fedora release worked01:25
billy!info gdesklets01:25
AMTXPand i'm asuming it was using a newer kernel than edgy01:25
ubotugdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB01:25
vioanyways, have a question how can i activte the compiz-theme-manager, i did the following: installed aiglx (works great) and beryl (not stable enough) so i turned to compiz (through beryl-manager)01:26
mon^rchgrrr... alot of gdesklets dont work properly :(01:26
billymon^rch: no?01:26
AMTXP!info hd01:26
ubotuPackage hd does not exist in feisty01:26
AMTXP!info kernel01:26
ubotuPackage kernel does not exist in feisty01:26
vioso compiz is installed and working fine, i just don't have a theme-manager to change the themes :(01:26
billyI need to stop looking at screenshots.  They say you covet what you see.  :)01:26
mon^rchI cant get the weather applets to update, for starters01:26
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild01:26
vioi tried #ubuntu-effects with no answers.. so i went to #ubuntu and was thrown here ;)01:27
mon^rchvio: compiz uses the usual gtk themes :)01:27
AMTXPAll: brb01:28
phaidroshow to find out BIOS version within linux?01:28
viomon^rch:  how can i change them?01:28
mon^rchvio: want a link for a nice vista clone... (but different)01:28
vioyeah sure01:28
vioi have 1 downloaded, just don't know where to load it01:28
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mon^rch2 shakes, kay?01:28
viomon^rch:  42697-LiNsta-GTK2.tar.gz i got this 101:28
IndyGunFreakcan i use my edgy xorg.conf, in feisty?  It has some settings for dual monitor that were a bit of a pain to set up properly01:29
viojust don't know how to load it or where to load it01:29
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IndyGunFreaki plan on a clean install, and was just gonna change it manually01:29
mon^rchvio: system--> Prefs --> theme... and drag & drop the archive into the window :)01:29
mon^rchlinsta is awesome..... amke SURE you install gtk-themes-pixbuff01:30
vioholy crap..01:30
AMTXPone more thing01:30
viothat was way to simple ^^,01:30
ardchoilleIf I install Feisty today and keep it updated, how much diff will there be between it and the released Feisty after the 19th? Will I be missing added apps or anything?01:30
mon^rchor it wont display proper01:30
viomon^rch:  thanks though  :)01:30
AMTXPcan i increase the size of the partition of Ubuntu?01:30
AMTXPif i need to?01:30
phaidroshow to find out BIOS version within linux?01:30
phaidrosAMTXP: gparted :)01:31
viomon^rch:  do you know how to active the cube aswell?01:31
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mon^rchvio: make sure you set the controls to linsta and the window border too :)01:31
mon^rchvio: yes01:31
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viomon^rch:  mmmm.. <- newbie ^^,01:31
mon^rchvio: so am I :)01:32
viomon^rch:  that's how it works ;)01:32
vioit's usually the simple things that don't get answered01:32
AMTXPi'm going to back my pc now01:33
AMTXPand dl fiesty01:33
AMTXPat least all my files01:33
AMTXP a full backup would take wayyyyy to long01:33
mon^rchrun gconf-editor --> apps -->compiz --> screen0 --> options and change hsize to 4 and number of desktops to 101:33
billymon^rch: yeah.  you're right.  buggy.01:34
mon^rchbilly: crappy, eh?01:34
billymon^rch: well, most of the stuff I chose just popped an error message.  Like I said, I need to stop looking a screenshots and just be happy with what I have.01:34
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phaidrosAMTXP: gparted is the tool to resize partitions, the installer should be able to do it also01:35
billythat's weird.01:35
AMTXPok also01:35
mon^rchbilly: a-haha01:35
AMTXPwhat is new with fiesty01:35
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AMTXPbecause the feature list for the beta is rather short01:35
AMTXPand not that impressive01:35
AMTXPfor a major release anyways01:35
mon^rchAMTXP: if you're not willing to try, then....01:35
AMTXPno i want to try it01:36
AMTXPbut i'm wondering what's new01:36
AMTXPbesides the codecs and01:36
viomon^rch:  sweeeet, do you know the shortcut with (mouse)?01:36
mon^rchAMTXP: its deskyop is "trying" to rival vista's01:36
mon^rchvio: no :(01:36
mon^rchvio: and I'm not sure what you mean...01:37
viofound it: Ctrl+Alt+ left mouse button01:37
AMTXPi'm hoping wine will start working on support for Vista applications once they get 1.0 out the door01:37
mon^rchseems to me like wine has a long journey ahead :(01:38
AMTXPi dunno01:38
AMTXPfor applications it's going great01:38
AMTXPthey are really pushing support for games now though01:38
mon^rch:) good for you!01:38
AMTXPI got Steam working on my Ubuntu machine accross the hall01:38
viomon^rch: yeah.. wine is buggy.. still advancind01:38
vioi got steam working aswell, want a guide?01:39
mon^rchvio: for the linsta theme do you have the gtk-themes-pixbuff installed?01:39
viomon^rch: i don't know what that is01:39
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vioi'll try to apt-get it01:39
mon^rch1 sec01:39
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AMTXPwell i mean steam is working great, none of the games do though....probably because i haven't installed any video drivers or anything...that machine is rather old01:39
AMTXPi will definately be trying it out if i get Ubuntu working on this machine01:40
billymon^rch: it was gnome-compiz-manager that we were talking about a minute ago I think (GL Desktop), if that was you I was talking to.01:40
thesporei just got a wireless adapter (belkin 802.11g USB) and i can't get it to connect.  it sees the connection but says there's no signal.. it's literally 6 feet away from the router.01:40
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mon^rchvio it's called gtk2-engines-pixbuf01:40
viothespore: 1 sec01:40
viomon^rch:  thanks ;)01:40
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viomon^rch:  gtk2-engines-pixbuf is already the newest version.01:41
mon^rchvio: install it and reload the theme by changing to another, then swiitching back01:41
mon^rchvio: oh, ok... cool :)01:41
mon^rchthen it's displaying properly :)01:42
vionot really.. :P01:42
mon^rchbilly: tyvm :)01:42
viouuuu... updates..01:43
billymon^rch: i'm really anacronym ingorant. :(01:43
mon^rchand voila... GL Desktop appears :)01:43
ShackJackHi all - what is the easiest way to network my wireless notebook to my desktop computer? - Samba via "shared folders" deosn't seem to work quite right(?)01:43
sizzamShackJack: just for file sharing?01:44
ShackJackYes - I have a folder on my desktop shared and read only unchecked, but I can't read thefiles with the notebook..01:44
viothespore: this is what you need to do: 1. get the belkin windows 98 driver and use ndiswrapper to install it01:45
sizzami've always skipped all that stuff and just installed SSH on my linux box and then used SFTP via FileZilla from the Windows box01:45
AMTXPfiesty has a really nice lookin theme now01:46
ShackJacksizzam - So I take it there's no easy (read: intuitive) way then to do so in Feisty01:46
thesporevio, okay01:46
mon^rchAMTXP: you should see some of the Beryl themes (emerald)...01:46
mon^rchsuper sexy01:46
sizzamShackJack: i wouldn't say that01:46
phaidroshow to find out BIOS version within linux?01:47
AMTXPmonarch: link?01:47
sizzamShackJack: have you seen these samba instructions for edgy?  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server01:47
mon^rchbut I'm sticking with compiz... it's "smoother"01:47
ShackJacksizzam - Any networking 1010 guides you can point me to... I can find anything readable01:47
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ShackJacksizzam - I've bene to - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo01:47
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mon^rchamtxp: gnome-look.org01:48
AMTbeen there01:48
mon^rchberyl tab on left01:48
AMTthe ubuntu machine accross the hall looks like a mac01:48
ShackJacksizzam - the one criticism I have with the Ubuntu guide is it skips the *why* you should install this or that or what it's for..01:48
sizzamShackJack: true.  i've been lucky in that SSH/SFTP has met all of my file transfer needs, so i've never played with samba01:49
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AMToh very nice01:49
cab10886what's the effects #?01:49
ShackJacksizzam - I checked off samba and nfs on the shared folders when activating it for the first time, so I assumed smfs was installed along with samba which is running as a service01:49
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cab10886need to get beryl up and running01:49
mon^rchcab10886: #ubuntu-effects01:49
ShackJacksizzam - I can see files on the desktop but can't write them - some I can "read" like MP3, but other's no - like text files01:50
ShackJackcab10886 - or #beryl :)01:50
sizzamShackJack: is your desktop using an NTFS partition01:50
ShackJacksizzam - well, it is, but they are both running feisty...01:51
mon^rchntfs parts can not set permissions properly :(01:51
sizzamShackJack: ahh, gotcha01:51
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AMTthat is bomb01:51
mon^rchI'm getting a 500 gigger and mounting it as /home :D :D :D01:51
ShackJackCan anyone point me to nay *good* netowrking 101 guides - I.e. - how to assign this computer this IP or that hostname and so forth?01:51
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mon^rchShackJack: linux router project is okay...01:52
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AMTwhy you would want linux to look like Vista, is beyond me, but it looks tight none the less01:52
feistymanHey, can anyone suggest good programs to decode flac and shn files?01:53
mon^rchamt: my linux looks like vista... but not it's a wicked theme01:53
ShackJackmon^rch - eh?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Linux_Router_Project01:53
mon^rch:( site is down01:54
AMTso what is beryl01:55
mon^rchAMT: if you a re familiar with WindowFX... it's similar...01:55
AMTvery nice01:56
AMTI like!01:56
AMThow much processing power does it take though01:56
mon^rchnow, do I get a cookie for promoting ubuntu?01:56
mon^rch :D01:56
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mon^rchAMT: not baaaaaaaad if you got a nice vid card01:57
AMTno cookie for you! I've been running gameservers on Ubuntu for the past 8 mo or so01:57
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AMTbut you do get a cookie for for showing me Beryl01:58
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mon^rchnote: ppl have recently said compiz and beryl are merging projects... :)01:58
mon^rchwell I'm excited anyway01:59
AMTme 201:59
AMTscrew bill gates and his money01:59
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mon^rchbut windows IS nice software...01:59
AMTits needed software02:00
AMTexpecially for gamers02:00
AMTbut no one really likes it02:00
mon^rchjust linux is better :)02:00
AMTshould donate it to Ubuntu - oh man that would be hillarious02:00
AMT*bill gates02:00
mon^rchI don't game anymore so.... heheh02:00
AMTi do02:00
AMTi have lots of games02:01
AMTjust got Supreme Commander02:01
rsthreei have a ds lite and linux-based pc games.  i'm set02:01
AMTpretty cool02:01
mon^rchI have succesfull run the quake series on linux :D02:01
AMT20 min remaining on backup02:01
AMT37 min remaining on fiesty dl02:01
AMTglad people are actually seeding it02:01
AMT180 kb/s02:01
AMTyock lol02:01
AMTrestroom time02:02
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choudeshhey all02:04
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shootersI can't upgrade to feisty.  It says I need at least 123M of free disc space on /var/cache/apt/archives, and I have over 1G free on /02:06
AMTclear the cache maybe?02:06
choudeshshooters, please pastebin the output of `df -h`02:06
choudesh!pastebin | shoorts02:07
ubotushoorts: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:07
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choudesh!pastebin | shooters02:07
ubotushooters: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:07
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viohiya.. :)02:07
viomy compouter forced me a restart02:07
choudesh!hi | vio02:07
ubotuvio: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!02:07
vio!hi | choudesh02:07
ubotuchoudesh: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!02:07
AMT!bye | amt02:08
viobye ^^,02:08
AMTdidnt' work02:08
choudeshplease don't play with the bot. ;-)02:08
AMTi'm not leaving02:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about yumsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
AMTi like playing with bot02:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about birdsandthebees - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about botslap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sneeze - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
choudeshshooters, what method are you using to upgrade to feisty?02:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about chucknorris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:09
shooterschoudesh: update-manager -c -d  , should I used the dist-upgrade method instead?02:09
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choudeshshooters, no02:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about amt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:09
vio!botabuse | AMT02:10
ubotuAMT: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...02:10
choudeshshooters, and what is the output of update-manager?02:10
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AMTfine i'll talk to the bot privately02:10
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choudeshAMT, very angry ops. :-X02:11
ssaahello i need some help please02:11
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choudesh!ask | ssaa02:11
ubotussaa: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)02:11
shooterschoudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15141/02:11
AMThello, ssaa02:11
ssaahow do i set a static ip for my wifi connection02:11
viowell, have you configured your wireless?02:11
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ssaahello (i knew someone would type !  ask  lol)02:11
choudeshshooters, and then what, just dies?02:11
choudesh!wireless | ssaa02:11
ubotussaa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:11
vioshooters: Sudo apt-get update02:12
shooterschoudesh: "The upgrades abort now. Please free at least 123M of disk space on /var/cache/apt/archives ........." . Then I click OK, it dies and reverts the upgrades (repos)02:12
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vioshooters:  nvm me02:13
snowpunk98Can anyone tell me the name of a pdf printer02:13
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BetaIs there a way to get evolution to minize to the Notification area?02:13
choudeshshooters, do you have any quotas in place?02:13
BetaWhat's wrong with shooter?02:14
vioBeta: i wonder the same ^^,02:14
ssaacan anyone take a look at my ifconfig output?02:14
AMTubotu isn't very helpful02:14
choudeshshooters, `du -h /var/cache/apt/archives/`02:14
ssaacan i paste it in here?02:14
choudesh!pastebin | ssaa02:14
ubotussaa: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:14
vio!pastebin | ssaa02:14
BetaArg, too man channels02:15
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viomon^rch:  hiya ^^,02:15
ssaadone, anyone?02:15
shooterschoudesh: 002:15
mon^rchvio: hey :)02:16
ssaais it normal to have my wifi at eth1?02:16
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mon^rchmaking dinner (sloppy joes) i"ll be in & out02:16
viomon^rch: i managed to remove my minizie tray ^^,02:16
pianoboy3333Feisty get pushed off?02:16
viomon^rch: so when i minimize amsn or amarok they don't go to the tray.. ^^,02:16
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AMTanyone into 2402:16
vioAMT:  the bad series?02:16
AMTwrong window02:17
AMTlol its ok02:17
choudeshshooters, ???02:17
mon^rchvio: just click once on the tray icon02:17
choudeshshooters, you get 0 for `du -h /var/cache/apt/archives/`02:17
viomon^rch:  no.. i mean that dissapeard..02:17
vioi can't do that anymore :(02:17
mon^rchvio: oh, shitty...02:17
choudeshshooters, did you delete everything in there?02:17
viomon^rch:  :( yeah02:18
mon^rchvio: wtf did you DO?02:18
vioi didn't know what it was so i removed it from the panel, suddenly i couldn't minimize shit no more02:18
shooterschoudesh: I did a `sudo apt-get clean`02:18
shooterschoudesh: like the msg was telling me02:18
choudeshshooters, ok.02:18
vioi didn't have any apps open either so i didn't know what it was?02:18
choudeshshooters, yea - but I thought clean still left the meta data02:19
mon^rchahhhh r-click on panel, add to panel tray...02:19
AMT20 minutes remaining on fiesty dl02:19
AMT2 minutes remaining on backup02:19
shooterschoudesh: there is 21M in /var/cache/apt ... but nothing in archives02:19
viomhm.. what should i add from the list?02:19
mon^rchgtg, cooking :)02:19
ssaaplease someone help me02:20
vionoo mon_away02:20
ssaahow do i set static ip02:20
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viossaa i do it from the tray @ top02:20
ssaabut where?02:20
vio2 sec02:20
AMTssaa: administrator tools i think02:20
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AMThold on02:20
vioor "networking"02:20
AMTi have no idea02:20
choudeshshooters, what version of update-manager?02:20
ssaaamt: ok02:20
choudeshssaa, please read the wireless docs, it is contained in them.02:21
choudesh!wireless | ssaa02:21
viossaa: System->Administration->Network Tools02:21
AMTthats it02:21
vioyeah ;)02:21
ubotussaa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:21
mon_awayI just got a I can't use a _away nick... I mean OMFG!02:21
vio!botabuse | choudesh02:21
ubotuchoudesh: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...02:21
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ssaabut the strange thing is that i have my wireless connection disabled in the net settings in administrative tools02:22
choudeshI don't like answering the same questions more than 4 times in a day. ;-)02:22
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viossaa did you install the drivers?!02:22
viofor the wireless..02:22
mon^rchbut I'm not here... :P02:22
viossaa: do you have an "pysical Activate W-lan button"?02:22
vioon your laptop?02:23
shooterschoudesh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/95260, look at the 4th or 5th replies... someone else is having this problem02:23
ubotuMalone bug 95260 in update-manager "Not enough free disk space" [Undecided,Needs info] 02:23
choudeshshooters, yea - I am looking at the linked bugs to that02:23
vioonly 95260 bugs..02:24
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AMTall done backing up02:25
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots02:25
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choudeshshooters, I just tested it and confirmed it.02:25
choudeshshooters, let me look into this.02:25
shooterschoudesh: do you want output from /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log ?02:26
vioany1 here got the compiz-plugin?02:26
choudeshshooters, please post it to pastebin02:26
AMT12 minutes remaining on feisty download02:27
shooterschoudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15145/02:27
AMThope this goes well02:27
AMTor i'm going to have to hurt somebody02:27
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choudeshshooters, can you umount /boot?02:27
choudeshshooters, umount -f /boot02:27
mzuverinkI have a bunch of home vid cam .avi's ans usually use nero vision, no more windows in my house what would be the best out there in the repos, note mandvd is what I am currently trying, but its horribly slow?02:28
pianoboy3333Did Feisty get pushed off? I thought it was going to be released the 15th?02:28
shooterschoudesh: Resource busy02:28
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)02:28
choudeshshooters, thought so. give me the output of the main.log02:28
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases02:29
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shooterschoudesh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15145/02:29
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thesporevio, driver was already installed with ndiswrapper02:31
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:31
choudeshshooters, hmm...what version of python are you running?02:32
choudeshshooters, pythong --version02:33
viothespore: did you try the System->Administrativ->Network ?02:33
choudeshshooters, python --version02:33
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thesporevio, yes02:33
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shooterschoudesh: Python 2.4.4c102:33
thesporedisabled my other ethernet devices and have tried hardcoding the information or using roaming.. still it connects but no signal, no net access02:33
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viothespore: are you sure it isn't encryped?02:34
AMTi'm going to install ubuntu02:34
vioAMT:  good choice ;) try02:34
thesporevio, yes i'm sure no WEP nothing02:34
AMTwish me luck, and if its your kind of thing -- "pray"02:34
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viowhat adapter do you have02:35
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choudesh!info python02:35
ubotupython: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB02:35
choudesh!info python edgy02:35
thesporeit's a belkin 802.11g USB adapter02:35
ubotupython: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB02:35
thesporert17 i think is what the driver is02:35
choudeshshooters, may be an issue in python.02:36
choudeshshooters, I confirmed the bug.02:36
viothespore: Type "this in terminal":     lspci , then paste it02:36
vio!pastebin | thespore02:36
ubotuthespore: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:36
shooterschoudesh: synaptic python package is 2.4.3-11ubuntu302:36
thesporevio, i'm on my laptop02:36
thesporebut i can tell you now.. i don't see that belkin in the list02:37
choudeshshooters, hmm...02:37
thesporeit's all my on-board stuff my linksys 10/100 card and my graphics card02:37
shooterschoudesh: but package "python" depends on "python2.4", so I guess that's normal02:38
choudeshshooters, free up 123megs in /02:38
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thesporevio, but this is a usb adapter would it show up in lspci?02:38
thesporeit shows the usb controllers02:38
shooterschoudesh: I have 1.1 GB free, you want me to free another 123 MB?02:38
choudeshshooters, free up rougly 123 megs, I would do around 150megs02:38
choudeshshooters, yes.02:38
vioi'm not certain02:38
viothespore: try #ubuntu for more help02:39
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viothey have more advanced helpers02:39
vio(just don't mention that you have feisty ;))02:39
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shooterschoudesh: /boot and /home are already mounted on a separate partition, where can I take that 123MB?02:39
feistymanHey, can anyone suggest a program or programs that decode flac and shn "lossless" music files?02:39
DrCurlI'm running kubuntu feisty beta02:40
choudeshshooters, just move 150 megs to a different partition.02:40
choudeshshooters, from /02:40
DrCurlsince I suspend earlier today, all my kde apps are transparent02:40
newkubuntuuserhi, can anyone help me with the installation of rubygems on feisty? i get missing packages like rdoc02:40
vionewkubuntuuser: try using the Synaptics Package Manager under system->administration02:41
newkubuntuuserusing kubuntu, no synaptics there, only adept02:42
vionewkubuntuuser:  you should have chosen ubuntu ;)02:42
shooterschoudesh: I just cp /usr /home/usr and then ln -s /home/usr /usr ?02:42
choudeshshooters, are you upgrading from feisty?02:43
shootersfrom edgy to feisty02:43
vionewkubuntuuser: try #kubuntu they have support for kubuntu (feisty)02:43
choudeshthats what I meant to say02:43
snowpunk98Can someone tell me an easy way to print to a PDF file like a program I can get through apt-get?02:43
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newkubuntuuser#kubuntu sent me here...02:44
vionewkubuntuuser:  switch to ubuntu then ;)02:44
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Benny_132hi guys anybody here install the Feisty beta on a mac book pro02:45
BHSPitMonkeyI had a friend install nvidia-glx in feisty, and change his xorg.conf driver to "nvidia", but this caused X not to start.02:45
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BHSPitMonkeyIs there some other way I'm supposed to be getting nvidia support up?02:45
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choudesh!nvidia | BHSPitLappy02:45
ubotuBHSPitLappy: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto02:45
vioBHSP try installing with a decent guide and or use envy to install your drivers02:45
krupshaving nvidia issues also - looks like kernel incompatible with current nvidia-glx?02:46
newkubuntuuservio: any suggestions that would actually solve the problem?02:46
BHSPitMonkeykrups, that sure would be interesting, just over a week prior to release02:46
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vionewkubuntuuser: yeah. #ubuntu-effects02:48
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vionewkubuntuuser: the problem is that you are missing a few packages02:49
newkubuntuuservio, yeah, i thought so. but why? do i need to add sources?02:49
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vionewkubuntuuser: no i dont think so, what version of ruby do you have?02:50
newkubuntuuservio: the one it installed ;-) how to check?02:50
newkubuntuuseri installed my sys an hour ago...02:50
coachi've got a problem with wine@amd6402:51
coachi installed it with --force architecture, but he doesn't find it when i want to run wine02:51
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vionewkubuntuuser: can you paste your error at pastebin?02:51
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linux_kidHow can I speed up bcm43xx ??02:52
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newkubuntuusercan paste it here: "E: Konnte Paket rdoc nicht finden" when apt-getting rdoc (means: could not find package rdoc)02:52
violinux_kid: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/WiFi_In_Ubuntu_Feisty_Fawn_Explored02:52
vio!pastebin | newkubuntuuser02:52
ubotunewkubuntuuser: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:52
linux_kidthank you vio02:52
noname`uHas anyone successfully used beryl with the ATI x1400-1800 cards?02:52
viononame`u:  nope.. try compiz ;)02:53
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noname`uYea compiz works... is there a settings manager for it?02:53
newkubuntuuserthy, i know what pastebin is, but for this short 1-line-things it is not very useful, is it?02:53
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noname`uI found the compiz-manager but it's gone from the internet now02:53
noname`uNone of the links work anymore02:53
noname`uerr.. compiz-settings*02:53
aubadeAnyone have an idea when nightly builds are thrown together?02:54
vio1 am gmt02:54
aubadeSuppose I can hang in a few more hours then, ty. :P02:55
vioaubade: try sudo apt-get update on your terminal ;)02:55
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noname`uDoes a settings manager exist for compiz?02:55
viononame`u: yeah..02:56
krupsyeah - so i'm getting "nvidia-kernel-module has driver 1.0-9755" but X module has 1.0-963102:56
noname`uWhat's it called? :)02:56
viononame`u: http://gandalfn.wordpress.com/gnome-compiz-manager/02:57
linux_kidvio, That is a useful link, but does not elaborate on how to change configuration.02:57
violinux_kid: i prob gave you the wrong 102:57
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linux_kidvio, ok, do you have another one? :)02:58
noname`uWorks for feisty, vio?02:59
viononame`u: haven't tested it out, didn't have any need for it02:59
noname`uI'm using fglrx too03:00
newkubuntuuseranyone has any ideas how to fix this03:00
violinux_kid: can't seem to find it on my history03:00
linux_kidvio, ok, time for google03:01
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violinux_kid: try www.google.com/linux ;)03:01
newkubuntuuseri just looked at my sources and they are ubuntu, so probably kubuntu does not make a difference and ubuntu cant install rubygems too.03:01
viononame`u:  try #ubuntu-effects03:02
aubadevio: On a (half broken) Debian install because I got bored and only one CD-R left, saving it for the Ubuntu 7.04 RC. (:03:07
vio!ask | aubade03:08
ubotuaubade: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:08
Toma-can you dd/copy the iso onto a flashdrive and boot from that?03:08
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vioaubade: what is your question?03:09
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aubadevio: Ah... my question passed...03:13
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vioi gotta go, have fun guys ;)03:15
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GaiaX11I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?03:15
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delmorepfor someone who has a cleanish feisty install : will you check and see if /etc/libao.conf says ALSA09 or ALSA10? :) in edgy changing it from 09 to 10 made everything work soundcard wise, i just upgraded to feisty and everything worked even faster, but im wondering if thats because of alsa1.0 or if Feisty now defaults to 1.0 -- sorry long, boring03:18
clever[rev] ive upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 and now my wireless card stoped working03:19
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clever[rev] how would i go about fixing it?03:20
N6REJI just ran todays updates and now I have no sound!03:20
N6REJI had sound just fine before I rebooted.03:20
delmorepN6REJ: what does your /etc/libao.conf file say?03:21
delmorepshould be one line03:21
N6REJdelmorep: default_driver=alsa0903:21
delmorep:) ok try changing it to default_driver=alsa1003:22
N6REJI had it in config set for auto-detect and there was no sound so I went into autoconfig and said alsa.03:22
delmorepreboot after, probably not necessary, but a windows habit i cant break03:22
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N6REJdelmorep: ok, I did a "alsa-utils" restart and heard a "thump thump" from the speakers but system settings doesn't play a sound.03:23
N6REJI'll restart now03:23
linux_kidHow do I config bcm43xx ?|?03:24
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clever[rev] ive upgraded from 6.10 to 7.04 and now my wireless card stoped working03:27
clever[rev] how would i go about fixing it?03:27
delmorepdoes it show up in the networking control panel?03:28
clever[rev] its no longer showing in ifconfig03:28
clever[rev] and iwconfig also doesnt show it03:28
clever[rev] used to be wlan0 but now its gone but all other interfaces look fine03:28
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delmorepany luck N6REJ ?03:29
N6REJdelmorep: ok, that fixed it.  Would you please tell me why?03:29
IndyGunFreakI just installed Xubuntu 7.04, i have a "File System" icon on my desktop, i don't care for that, how do i remove it?03:30
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delmorephaha, i have no idea why... i know that the 09 and 10 are version numbers, ie driver version 0.9 and 1.0... i discovered this fix while running edgy... it made everything agreeable with ALSA (even audacity)... then when i upgraded to feisty, everything worked even better! and i actualyl came here to ask if feisty defaults to 09 or 10.... kinda tricked you into answering my question03:31
N6REJdelmorep: lol thats ok with me!03:31
delmorepi found the idea here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=239202403:32
N6REJdelmorep: I have another question though that I hope someone can help with.  There is some mystery device that isn't functioning.  I TIHNK its looking for a wacom digitzing tablet that I don't have.  see here for the error.. it does this often when installing apps.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15152/03:32
delmorepoh, im actually a linux-noob, the stars aligned very mysteriously with our last encounter :)03:33
mon^rch...too many beer (burp)03:33
N6REJhehehe np.03:34
delmorepwhen clever started talking about ifconfig and whatnot... i knew i would be of no help03:34
delmorepgood luck... remember which file that was in case you ever need to change it back03:34
clever[rev] lol03:34
N6REJyeah, i will tyvm.03:35
clever[rev] i made a script which used iwconfig and ip to enable my wlan0 interface03:35
clever[rev] and now thw wlan0 interface is missing03:35
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delmorepN6REJ:  actually this is the article that got me thinking http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Allow_multiple_programs_to_play_sound_at_once03:36
delmorepits for arch, but the basic idea is the same... archlinux is very well documented and most of their documentation will port to ubuntu03:37
N6REJah ok.03:37
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mon^rchtonyyarusso: thanks again for the package last night... very happy :D03:37
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mon^rchnice editor...03:38
BHSPitMonkeyis nvidia-glx busted in feisty, then?03:38
clever[rev] oddd03:38
clever[rev] my 7.04 did swapon twice for the same device03:38
kadsis opera not working in feisty yet?03:38
clever[rev] as /dev/sda5 and /dev/mapper/sda503:38
delmorepi know how to fix that too SHSPitMonkey03:39
delmorepcan you not get the update manager to install it?03:39
clever[rev] it probly would have crashed horibly once it tryed to use both03:39
mon^rchnvidia-glx and opera work fine...03:39
kadsalso firefox takes a lot of resources in feisty03:39
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kadsI get an x error when I use opera03:40
mon^rchBHSPitMonkey: sure you don't need the nvidia-glx-legacy package?03:40
BHSPitMonkeymon^rch, I'm pretty dang certain that's not the case03:40
BHSPitMonkeythis is my friend's computer, and he has a much, much newer nvidia card than mine.03:40
mon^rchok, ok, ok03:40
BHSPitMonkeyand mine isn't legacy03:40
kadsERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.03:41
delmorepis the "desktop effects" the only control you have over Compiz?  does compiz have the Expose feature?03:41
kadsis that jvm ?03:41
BHSPitMonkeykads, didn't you just say so? :)03:41
mon^rchdelmorep: install gnome-compiz-manager (I think that's what it's called)03:41
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mon^rchdelmorep: but for now... editing compiz via gconf-editor works best, if you know wtf you are doing :P03:42
phaidroshow to find out BIOS version within linux?03:42
overriderhello, if i get feisty now, can i then when the final system is released just simply use the update function of the os to get to release level? thanks03:43
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phaidrosoverrider: yes03:43
kads<BHSPitMonkey> oh, srry03:43
mon^rchoverrider: yup03:43
kads<BHSPitMonkey> I feel stupid03:43
BHSPitMonkeykads, don't :)03:43
overrideracho ol, thanks03:43
kads<BHSPitMonkey> dont what?03:43
BHSPitMonkey<kads> <BHSPitMonkey> I feel stupid03:44
phaidroskads: feel stupid .. ;)03:44
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GaiaX11clever[rev] : I am still in dapper. But I remember that when I last upgrade I have this problem with my wlan and I fixed it with ndiswrapper. It is only a suggestion though03:44
kadsdoes any one know why firefox takes so many resources in feisty03:44
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Peloevening folks03:44
BHSPitMonkeybecause firefox is a resource-hogging mother03:44
kadssome times it takes over 85%03:44
clever[rev] GaiaX11: my wifi card worked back in 6.06 as soon as i pluged it in03:44
linux_kidWell... Feisty has great wifi support, but how do I speed up the bcm43xx driver?03:44
clever[rev] GaiaX11: modules loaded on there own asap03:45
OTISkads: I found something that helps.  Clear history.03:45
Pelois it worth the trouble to update to the beta now or should I wait for a couple of weeks after the official release ?03:45
phaidroskads: dunno, but its eating ressources here too. I was just thinking which browser is next to take, now that firefox got a monster03:45
OTISkads:  I suspect it has something to do with all the baggage that the session saver is lugging around03:45
mon^rchPelo: if you're happy, wait... otherwise feisty is fun to "hack"03:46
kadsOTIS: I dont save any history on firefox03:46
OTISkads:  Ctrl-Shift-Del , check the first 2 boxes.  Immediate drop in CPU usage.03:46
Pelothanks for the info mon^rch , does anyone else want to chime in ?03:46
kads<phaidros>: I heard opera is very slim03:46
OTISDid anyone else get a Gnome crash after today's update?03:47
kadsOTIS: not me03:47
sonoftheclayrPelo: go for it, it is faster and easier, it comes out it in a week anyway03:47
kadsOTIS: but I know the x stuff got messed up03:47
OTISkads:  It still seems to be keeping track of a lot of things, like tab data.  It's worth a try03:47
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Pelothanks guys , g'night03:48
OTISkads: If you've every studied sessionstore.js, it is lugging around a lot of metadata for each tab.  How big is your sessionstore.js ?03:49
kadsOTIS: no clue how do I find out03:49
GaiaX11clever[rev] : I am still in dapper. But I remember that when I last upgrade I have this problem with my wlan and I fixed it with ndiswrapper. It is only a suggestion though03:49
kadsOTIS: also what is ctrl+shift+del supposed to do03:49
GaiaX11I am thinking in upgrading from dapper to feisty. The ubuntu official site does not recommend it. But, will it really break my system?03:49
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OTISkads: those keys are to clear personal data.  you get to pick which items to clear, so it's safe to try03:50
sonoftheclayrGaiaX11: someone in #kubuntu did it, i just can't remember who. all he had trouble with was X03:51
OTISkads: sessionstore.js is in  .mozilla/firefox/rAndoMneSs.default/sessionstrore.js03:51
mon^rchGaiaX11: I have upgraded before... broke stuff, and I hear you should upgerade dapper--> edgy---feisty... and you're still at risk. back up your stuff and vanilla install :)03:51
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sonoftheclayrmon^rch: that's no fun!03:52
kadsOTIS: my  clear personal data dialog doesnt even open03:52
mon^rchbe nice to the users :)03:52
OTISkads: Then try Tools > Clear Private Data03:52
sonoftheclayrmon^rch: i never backup stuff, i like the risk03:53
GaiaX11sonoftheclayr: did he fix the X?03:53
sonoftheclayrGaiaX11: yeah03:53
mon^rchsonoftheclayr: I have a hd dedicated to /home so...03:53
mon^rchno probs here :)03:53
sonoftheclayrmon^rch: I don't, my harddisk isn't big enough03:53
kadsOTIS: I did that doesn't work03:53
clever[rev] my 7.04 is mounting the swap partition twice03:54
GaiaX11sonoftheclayr: God hint. I will go there to ask then. Thx!03:54
OTISmon^rch: I did the same thing, clean install.  Just copied my dapper / to /home/dapper-root so I could pluck what I needed out of /etc03:54
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mon^rchOTIS: nice job!03:54
mon^rchthat's the ticket !03:54
sonoftheclayri clean installed edgy on a new partition and upgraded it to feisty...no troubles except with my wireless03:55
sonoftheclayrand i also nede to give myself mor space in this partition03:55
mon^rchugh! MGD and anti-depressants don't mix so good :P03:55
OTISbtw. what's a good size for / in Feisty?  I gave it 8 GB.  (separate /home)03:56
mon^rchOTIS: you should be fine... I use 45 GB myself...03:57
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sonoftheclayrOTIS: i gave myelf 5 (only cause this hard disk is only 20) and am nearly out, and i don't have a seperate /home03:57
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OTISmon^rch: trying to keep it tight, just the system.  all user data is mounted.03:58
mon^rchI'll be an ubuntu expert in no time ! :P03:58
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kadsOTIS: I opend it in safe mode and then I was able to do ctrl+shift+del03:58
mon^rchOTIS: if you'r having a seperate /home 8 GB is plenty for /03:58
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shooterschoudesh|beer: moving my /usr fixed the problem... now the downloads requires ~ 1.3 GB.  Could it be an error in the msg box (123MB) rather than (1.3GB)?04:00
OTISkads: any improvement?04:01
kadsOTIS: definately04:01
kadsOTIS: but I also had it remove personal data when it exited and delete session cookies on exi04:02
kadsOTIS: my sessionstrore.js is a third for what it was before04:02
OTISkads: ok, that's a personal choice.  the thing that seems to matter is the history.  I was going nuts with this problem, then started picking apart the JSON in sessionstore - waayyy to much detail being tracked04:03
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kadsOTIS: I know!! and whenever I go on a web2.0 website firefox take 80% of the cpu04:04
kadsOTIS: go to digg.com04:04
OTISkads: I also try to leave flash disabled.  the thing that really helped was moving to a better machine04:05
snowpunk98what would be the best way to move a .tar off my ubuntu server to my ubuntu desktop04:05
OTISkads: what about digg?04:05
kadsOTIS: not only digg but a javascript entensive site with ajax takes the most cpu%04:06
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clever[rev] my wireless card isnt showing under iwconfig but it shows under lspci04:06
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OTISkads:  oh, yeah, I think digg makes use of scriptaculous & all that.  you may wanna consider more memory, faster CPU, etc04:07
sonoftheclayrclever[rev] : do you have the driver for it installed?04:07
OTISkads: also try the Epiphany browser.  I've used it just a bit & it seems like 'Firefox light'04:07
clever[rev] it worked before when i had 6.0604:07
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clever[rev] and the driver was allready installed and auto modprobe'd when i plugged it in04:08
sonoftheclayrclever[rev] : what chipset?04:08
clever[rev] linksys04:08
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clever[rev] sonoftheclayr: 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)04:09
Toma-clever[rev] : theres a bug in that driver. wait for RC or finaal and itll be fixed04:10
Toma-clever[rev] : i had to resort to ndiswrapper to get it working :<04:10
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clever[rev] ahhh04:10
clever[rev] what are the details on the bug?04:10
clever[rev] where can i see more info?04:10
Toma-its basically busted in -2004:10
Toma-wait a sec04:10
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BetaWhat is the current beta's number?04:14
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clever[rev] lol crap04:15
BetaBeryl works, right?04:15
clever[rev] hit the SAK sysrq04:15
clever[rev] must have hit o also04:15
clever[rev] instant power off04:15
Toma-Beta: when you install it, yes04:16
BetaNeat. I wanted to know before I started to mess with it.04:16
BetaNow if I could fix my video play back glitches.04:17
RAOFAlso, if you've got a well-supported video card, Compiz will work on the livecd.04:17
Toma-bug #7825504:17
ubotuMalone bug 78255 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[2.6.20-12]  rtl8180 gone missing." [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7825504:17
Toma-clever[rev] : ^^^04:17
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Toma-bug #8843004:18
ubotuMalone bug 88430 in module-init-tools "[feisty]  broken rtl818x and rtl8187 modules loaded at boot time" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8843004:18
clever[rev] thanks i'll read them04:18
Toma-clever[rev] : as you can see, a fix is out, but the module is still blacklisted. you can always de-blacklist the module and give it a spin04:18
clever[rev] also i was able to manualy modprobe it just a min ago04:19
OTISweird. after today's update. The Network Connection panel applet has a red X, and says 'No network connection'04:19
clever[rev] and the wlan0 came back04:19
clever[rev] and i hit the poweroff sysrq by mistake04:19
Toma-what i dont understand is the change in default configs for xchat in feisty04:21
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clever[rev] odd04:22
clever[rev] its trying to link to the Famil ssid04:22
clever[rev] theres a byte missing:P04:22
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Toma-clever[rev] : thats another bug04:22
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Toma-add a dummy character on the end04:22
Toma-like.. "FamilyX"04:22
clever[rev] yeaj allready done04:23
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GreySimAnyone know how to get Firefox sound working with LTSP?04:23
clever[rev] Toma-: im allready using a script to set the essid/key/ip i can just add a modprobe to it and the fix is seamless:)04:24
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Toma-clever[rev] : just remember to un-blacklist the module and it should load automagically04:24
clever[rev] where though?04:25
clever[rev] ajjj04:25
clever[rev] rebooting...04:26
Toma-as am i. back to feisty :D might see if i can get a wlan0 to come to life again04:26
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clever[rev] wb Toma-04:29
ericrostHey, just wanted to let you guys know, after finally getting around to trying out the bcm43xx driver again, I officially have 100% hardware support on a brand new laptop out of the repos under feisty. And this is on an HP dv9000 series laptop that had a bad rep 6 months ago04:29
ericrostgreat job Ubuntu devs04:29
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clever[rev] unblacklisting works04:30
ericrostthe only thing that doesn't work, doesn't work under Winblows either (its a hardware issue)04:30
Toma-sweet. ill give it a whirl now :)04:30
clever[rev] when i went 6.06 to 6.10 the touchpad driver got fixed on me04:31
Gogogo111hey, does anyone know how to change the Hz for feisty fawn? I just got 1440x900 (my res) working and compiz and stuff, but its stuck at 50hz, and its killing my eyes04:31
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clever[rev] so now a few extra features work04:31
clever[rev] and the acceleration is way up04:31
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clever[rev] and now the left mouse button is stuck on again04:31
Gogogo111no one?04:33
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ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto04:33
ericrostsame as edgy04:33
Toma-Gogogo111: ^^04:33
RAOFGogogo111: It's not stuck at 50Hz04:34
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RAOFGogogo111: You've got the new nvidia drivers, and they thought it would be a good idea to use the "Refresh rate" field to enumerate twinview modes.04:34
RAOFXorg will always report 50Hz as the refresh rate, regardless of what the *actual* refresh rate is.04:34
RAOFYou can use nvidia-settings to check the actual refresh rate.04:35
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Gogogo111RAOF: ok ty, i am checking that out now04:36
ericrostRAOF: why does nvidia-settings want to uninstall nvidia-glx?04:36
ericrostRAOF: in synaptic04:36
RAOFericrost: Becuase nvidia-glx now includes nvidia-settings.04:36
RAOFBut nvidia-glx-legacy doesn't, I think.04:37
Gogogo111RAOF: THANK YOU! i was able to get 75hz! it works! thank you so much!04:37
ericrostRAOF: but its not in my menu.. do I just cmd line it?04:37
RAOFericrost: Yes.  It doesn't get installed into a menu.  Feel free to file a bug about that, if you care enough.04:37
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ericrostRAOF: I might.. I just thought it was something incompatible.. not that I ever use the nvidia-settings app...04:38
RAOFNa, neither do I.  It's just included in the drivers, now.04:38
ericrostRAOF: :) so I see what you mean about the not caring enough04:39
Toma-i get better beryl performance on edgy over feisty.... any issues that might explain that?04:39
sonoftheclayrToma-: feisty is still in beta?04:39
ericrostI was driving myself batty until I installed the nvidia-glx through the repos since 2.6.20-14 has the wrong nvidia kernel modules..04:39
Toma-sonoftheclayr: yes it is...04:40
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sonoftheclayrToma-: i know that, maybe that explains it :P04:41
Toma-so nvidia-settings controls beyond xorg.conf?04:41
Toma-sonoftheclayr: well, a beta should be pretty well on par of what the final should do04:41
ericrostRAOF: any idea why my geforce go 6600 isn't detected by the restricted drivers manager? it was earlier in the beta, then I migrated back, then when I came back to feisty it wasnt04:41
RAOFericrost: No, I don't.  It's clearly a bug, though.  My 7600 go is also not showing up.04:42
RAOFI *think* it happened at the same time as the nvidia-glx/nvidia-glx-new split, though.04:42
ericrostRAOF: I should file that one.. thats a biggie to new adopters04:42
sonoftheclayrToma-: i dunno i don't run beryl but maybe a config file is different or something, which is odd because i have noticed better overall performance in feisty04:42
ericrostI didn't see the nvidia-glx-new thing04:42
Toma-sonoftheclayr: yeh, im comparing the 2 now. seems my monitor is slightly different04:43
ericrostRAOF: I don't have nvidia-glx-new in synaptic... I'm on amd64 if that makes a diff04:43
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BluesKaiok gents , upgraded to feisty but now it won't boot properly (I'm running the live cd )..can't even get to the prompt to startx ...can I see and fix my previous install from this live cd ?04:44
ericrostBluesKai: what system? (I only ask because I had similar probs with this lappy)04:44
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BluesKairunny the x86 on anAMD64 pc, ericrost04:45
BluesKaierr running04:45
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ericrostBluesKai: you could need a kernel option appended to the boot line... if its an nvidia chipset mobo its likely you need to append noapic irqpoll noirqdebug04:46
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ericrostI'm on amd64.. you should run amd64, though, the ia32 is really slick for running 32 bit apps, and the amd64 automatix is coming in days04:47
BluesKaino it's ATI  AFAIK ...tried to upgrade to Feisty by internet upgrade , but some pkgs wouldn't install04:47
BluesKaiI don't use automatix04:47
ericrostgive the boot options a try04:48
RAOFericrost: *I* run the 64bit Feisty, and I can see nvidia-glx-new.  You may just need to update your archive lists.04:48
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ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto04:48
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luke-jr_workmy rating is -10004:48
luke-jr_work7.04 doesn't appear to work at all04:48
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ericrostBluesKai: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst04:49
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ericrostbut boot and edit them runtime first04:49
luke-jr_workanyone care for details?04:49
Toma-i think its just a beryl config tweak i did04:49
BluesKaiI'm on the live cd..not TTY prompt , ericrost04:50
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ericrostBluesKai: reboot, remove the livecd, hit esc, hit e, go to the kernel line, hit e, append noapic irqpoll noirqdebug, hit enter, press b04:52
ericrosthit esc when the grub msg comes up btw04:53
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ericrostRAOF: ahh.. and 131 updates to install too.. not going to do that from this hotel connection though :)04:54
jmichaelxi wonder what driver should be used for a geforce mx 4000...04:55
RAOFjmichaelx: I'm pretty sure you need the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.  It's possible that the nvidia-glx package will work, though.04:56
BluesKaiok ericrost...will try that , thx04:56
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jmichaelxRAOF: ty04:56
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Toma-lol... i lost a window in beryl. tweaked the wobbly effect and it shot off somewhere05:00
Toma-doh.. lost another one05:00
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mon^rchwow! the main repo is SO much faster than the one in Canada...05:01
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luke-jr_workthink if I do the updates my Kubuntu will work??05:02
Toma-move spring full, move friction 005:02
aubadeSafe to assume the 4-11 nightly will be the same as the RC for tomorrow or will there be a mid-day compilation?05:03
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starscallingi know its beta; but anyone noticed uuber laggy networking?05:04
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DarkMageZstarzz, what kind of latencys are you getting to where from where?05:05
ericroststartscalling: with ndiswrapper wifi I did, then I tried the bcm43xx package and its better for me..05:05
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starzz@ericrost wired @darkmagez im in los angeles where do you want me to ping05:07
DarkMageZstarzz, ping microsoft.com05:07
starzzkk 1sec05:08
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starzzit takes several seconds to get the first ping back05:08
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starzzalthough it resolves quite easily05:09
starzzi still have no ping to m$05:09
DarkMageZstarzz, yeah i just noticed microsoft doesn't reply to pings. try google.com05:09
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DarkMageZstarzz, you should get under 300ms05:11
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starscalling<starzz> 12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 10998ms  ////  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.024/121.241/207.294/30.585 ms05:14
starscalling<starzz> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com ( icmp_seq=12 ttl=240 time=101 ms05:14
starscallingsee that?05:14
starscallingirc timed out05:14
starscallingalthough i am still pinging ~_~05:14
starscallingsooooooooooo wierd05:14
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ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic05:20
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rarjanyone knows how to enable me to connect to my home computer from office ?05:22
spenc3got a general apt-get question. is there anyway to check what packages are dependent to libgtk2.0-dev?05:22
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spenc3got a general apt-get question. is there anyway to check what packages are dependent to libgtk2.0-dev?05:27
GreySimDoes anyone know how to get sound working in Firefox on LTSP?05:28
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starscallingstarscalling> <starzz> 12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 10998ms  ////  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 98.024/121.241/207.294/30.585 ms05:30
starscalling<starscalling> <starzz> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com ( icmp_seq=12 ttl=240 time=101 ms05:30
starscalling<starscalling> see that?05:30
starscallingarg even when my irc times out05:30
starscallingDarkMageZ quick before i time out again >.<05:31
DarkMageZstarscalling, your latencys aren't constantly bad. if you're using wireless i'd just say theres some interferance somewhere.05:32
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aubadeHave they decided on a name for Feisty +1?05:36
ulmolavenderreal men don't use p2p, real men use netcat!05:37
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luke-jr_workok, I'll go try 6.0605:37
luke-jr_worksince 7.04 is too buggy to use05:37
hidanwhat's feisty +1 ?05:38
luke-jr_workand then I'll go back to Gentooland if 6.06 doesn't cut it :p05:38
starzWTH is netkat ulmolavender05:38
aubadehidan: Whatever follows Feisty, as in 7.10.05:38
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luke-jr_workstarz: how can you not know what netcat is?!?!05:39
hidanaubade : ooh thank you.05:39
ulmolavenderstar: I see you've been using KDE too much:)05:39
luke-jr_workwell, 6.06 actually booted to a KDE desktop05:40
luke-jr_workthat's a start :)05:40
hidanIf I have 2 versions of ATI drivers installed, is it likely there will be system conflicts and lockups ?05:40
CashValentineIf dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help05:40
misfit_toyanybody know when network-manager will be fixed after yesterdays update?05:41
RAOFmisfit_toy: Is it still broken for you?  It works for me (or rather, worked after a reboot)05:43
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misfit_toyRAOF, yes still broken05:44
ulmolavenderluke-jr_work: eh?05:45
luke-jr_workulmolavender: ?05:45
misfit_toyRAOF, let me clarify, networking works, but there's a red X on the icon and it says "no network available"05:45
luke-jr_workulmolavender: 7.04 is buggy as heck05:45
CashValentineOn my feisty box if dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help thx.05:45
misfit_toyRAOF, I'm sure it will be fixed, it's just annoying05:45
CashValentineis it a hal prob?05:46
misfit_toyRAOF, I got the new nvidia-glx working with my old geforce, it was a dell laptop screen EDID issue05:46
luke-jr_workbtw, once I'm done trying 6.06, I'll probably disappear-- so if you want my assistance in making 7.04 not suck, tell me now ;p05:47
RAOFmisfit_toy: Oh, huzzah.  Everyone loves proprietary drivers.05:47
CashValentineDoes k9copy freeze anybody's machine here????05:47
luke-jr_workwtf is k9copy05:47
misfit_toyRAOF, Option      "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP-0" fixed the black screen in X with ubuntu login sounds issue (in case anyone is watching)05:47
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CashValentineluke-jr_work: lookit up cowboy05:48
luke-jr_workI don't care that muchj05:48
misfit_toyRAOF, lol, everybody loves fastest drivers! ;p05:48
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misfit_toyRAOF, and that's pretty much for any old laptop with an older nvidia driver and (possibly but not confirmed a samsung lcd in it), sheesh.05:49
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CashValentineIf dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help05:53
luke-jr_workbtw, what's with the obsolete versions of stuff in 7.04?05:53
luke-jr_workeg, from 3 years ago or os05:53
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concept10misfit_toy, i havent seen you in forever05:54
RAOFluke-jr_work: Such as?  They're almost certainly in Universe, and it would mean that no one in Ubuntu or Debian has updated the package.05:55
CashValentineIf dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help05:56
Kevlar_SoulWhat is the repository you need to add to get Quicktime05:56
luke-jr_workRAOF: Armagetron Advanced05:57
RAOFCashVal: We've *all* seen your question.  You don't need to re-ask it every 3 minutes.05:57
misfit_toyconcept10, hello!05:57
Kevlar_SoulMake sudo eject a button on the desktop05:57
misfit_toyconcept10, I was nearly homeless, lost my job, ran out of money, it was hell, but I'm back, and not in black05:58
CashValRAOF: yes i do.  sorry.  but, new people come in to the forum.  you're not the only one here.05:58
Kevlar_SoulOh SNAP05:58
rarjHow do i install flash on Firefox in feisty ?05:59
Kevlar_Soulsudo apt install flash05:59
DarkMageZCashValentine, it's standard practice to wait atleast 5 minutes. even if new people have joined the channel.05:59
rarjKevlar_Soul: thanks05:59
concept10misfit_toy, serious?05:59
Kevlar_SoulHe's making up policy on the fly05:59
misfit_toyconcept10, serious, it was the wildest thing ever05:59
CashValentineOk. five minutes then -- next is at 11:03 CST06:00
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rarjKevlar_Soul: Couldnt find package flash06:00
luke-jr_workCashValentine: "at least"06:00
Kevlar_Souldid you search in synaptic?06:00
luke-jr_workflash sucks :p06:00
rarjKevlar_Soul: ok.06:00
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Kevlar_Soul"that means he can do it every 5"06:00
CashValentineone of these days, someone who knows something about mounting issues may post an answer06:00
concept10misfit_toy, ive been in similar situation.  From fat pockets to rock bottom06:00
DarkMageZrarj, the offical flash player by adobe is called flashplugin-nonfree06:01
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Kevlar_Soulunmount dvd06:01
DarkMageZrarj, if you want a low quality opensource alternative. you could try mozilla-plugin-gnash06:02
misfit_toyconcept10, try it with a mortgage, 2 car payments and 3 kids06:02
BluesKajwell, no joy with append noapic ... etc ...had ro reinstall06:02
Kevlar_Souldont recommend gnash06:02
Kevlar_Souldont forget your DUI with negligent homocide06:02
RAOFNot yet.  The upcoming release will support Flash video!06:02
rarjDarkMageZ: Ok06:03
Kevlar_Soulwith yoru mistress snorting cocaine in the front seat with you06:03
concept10misfit_toy, i'd be crying then06:03
misfit_toywhat is all this I heard on NPR this morning about justin tv? some guy that is going to live the rest of his life with a webcam strapped to his head?06:03
CashValentineIf dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help06:03
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Benny_132anyone no why i cant install the beta release on my mac book pro06:04
misfit_toyconcept10, at that point there is no crying, only deep soulsearching, anyway, nice to see you again.06:04
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CashValentineAnybody know anything here.06:04
Benny_132CashValentine: i wonder the same thing06:04
Kevlar_SoulCashValentine:  Did you even try the ubuntu forums06:04
CashValentineWhere do the gurus hang out?06:04
Kevlar_SoulDid you?06:04
Toma-my wireless signal strength keeps dropping... also, wpa-supplicant keeps crashing. im not even using WPA :o06:04
CashValentineGentoo forums has real hard core gurus.06:05
concept10misfit_toy, yeah, nice to see you, good luck in the future06:05
Toma-CashValentine: whats the problem?06:05
misfit_toyconcept10, and to you! what goes around comes around!06:05
Kevlar_SoulThats why06:05
CashValentineLooks like it's amateur nite all the time here.06:05
CashValentineToma-: If dvd is in drive during bootup, then normal user cannot eject.  Must sudo eject.  WTF! Help06:05
Kevlar_SoulHis problem is he cant use the search feature in the ubuntu help forums06:05
Toma-CashValentine: sounds like you need to switch some fstab options around06:06
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Toma-CashValentine: btw, calling everyone amateurs will lead to an /ignore06:06
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luke-jr_workToma-: 7.04 doesn't boot or install :(06:07
CashValentineToma-: I thot the HAL stuff meant you dont need to fiddle with fstab for dvd mounting06:07
pollyoAny idea why my system would not use the NVIDIA accellerated graphics driver (legacy cards)?06:07
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CashValentineToma-: true?06:07
xtknightso the lowlatency kernel contains Ingo Molnar's realtime patches?06:07
Toma-CashValentine: have you got 'noauto' in fstab for your drives?06:07
luke-jr_workpollyo: they're illegal drivers06:07
misfit_toypollyo, which card?06:07
Toma-xtknight: dont expect any desktop improvements from it06:07
CashValentineToma-: I got nothing at all for the DVD06:07
CashValentineToma-: the HAL backend picks it up06:08
pollyomisfit_toy: TNT 64  I'm somewhat sure it worked before.06:08
xtknighti know exactly what to expect ;)06:08
Toma-CashValentine: right. that doesnt seem right? can you pastebin your fstab?06:08
pollyomisfit_toy: I've been messing around with my configuration.  Poking around where I really do not have much of a clue.06:08
concept10xtknight, no all of them06:08
Toma-xtknight: and yeh, i think it does contain the patches. audio recording is quite remarkable with lowlatency06:09
CashValentineToma-: hold on ...06:09
misfit_toypollyo, in a term type "glxinfo | grep OpenGL" without the quotes06:09
xtknightToma-, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022755.html hrmm06:09
xtknightlooks like it isnt realtime/tickless06:09
xtknightjust 1000hz06:09
pollyomisfit_toy: That changed.  Before I got a response of OpenGL version 1.5 or something now I get something else.06:09
CashValentine# /etc/fstab: static file system information.06:09
concept10xtknight, its not the full patchset06:09
xtknightconcept10, hrmm?06:10
CashValentine# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>06:10
Toma-xtknight: its still a vast improvem,ent06:10
CashValentineproc /proc proc defaults 0 006:10
CashValentine# /dev/sda4 -- root -- 46gb total capacity06:10
CashValentineUUID=1ad485eb-7512-4653-a1a3-657de6aa7bde / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback,noatime,auto,rw,06:10
CashValentine# /dev/sda2 -- swap06:10
CashValentineUUID=f3ca3f7d-9566-4789-9bad-0dcb86a4d249 none swap sw 0 006:10
CashValentine# /dev/sda3 -- data sata drive -- 184GB -- movies -- mp3 -- downloads06:10
CashValentineUUID=e40c6d8d-422f-449a-8d95-63143c1ea149 /mnt/data ext3 users,data=writeback,noatime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,suid 0 006:10
CashValentineToma-: shit, that paste job is ugly. sorry06:10
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:10
misfit_toypollyo, my version of fixing this is rather extreme, but I will tell you how I did it.06:10
pollyomisfit_toy: Now I get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "0:0".06:10
misfit_toypollyo, follow at your own risk, but I have done it over and over.06:11
pollyomisfit_toy: Ok06:11
misfit_toypollyo, "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*"06:11
Toma-CashValentine: i did say pastebin didnt i?06:11
misfit_toypollyo, then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" try that then reboot, it will take a while for both06:11
CashValentineToma-: yep. you did. didn't know what that wuz.  amateur nite, remember.06:12
CashValentineToma-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15169/06:12
CashValentineToma-: is that it?06:12
misfit_toypollyo, if the 2nd command there doesn't get you in, then "sudo apt-get remove nvidia*" again and then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy"06:12
sonoftheclayrif it's amatuer i'm outta here06:12
Toma-CashValentine: yeh thats it. what device is your dvd drive loaded as? (check with dmesg)06:12
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CashValentineToma-: HAL picks it up as /dev/scd006:13
CashValentineToma-: I'll mount it. hold on ...06:13
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misfit_toypollyo, make sure you see that * at the end of the commands there, very important.06:13
pollyomisfit_toy: I was reading somehwere that people have been able to run compiz or beryl with a card as old as mine.06:14
pollyomisfit_toy: Yes,  I took note.06:14
misfit_toypollyo, I am06:14
CashValentineToma-: /dev/scd0 on /media/ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000)06:14
Toma-CashValentine: youll need "/dev/scd0  /media/cdrom0  udf,iso9660,user,noauto  0  0" in fstab then06:14
pollyomisfit_toy: What card do you have?06:14
misfit_toypollyo, go for it and let me know.06:14
misfit_toypollyo, geforce4 440 go with only 32MB06:14
pollyomisfit_toy: Are you runing the accekerated drivers?06:14
misfit_toypollyo, yes06:15
CashValentineToma-: when I pop in the dvd, it gets mounted as --- /dev/scd0 on /media/ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS type udf (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000)06:15
pollyomisfit_toy: Do you know if my card is older then yours?06:15
Toma-CashValentine: what the heck is ROCCO_AND_HIS_BROTHERS?06:15
misfit_toypollyo, is it an 8 year old laptop?06:15
pollyomisfit_toy: Wow.06:15
CashValentineToma-: that's the title to the DVD -- an italian flick from the 60's06:16
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pollyomisfit_toy: I'm installing the nvidia-glx now06:16
Toma-CashValentine: ok thats quirky06:16
pollyomisfit_toy: After this I will have to reboot right?06:16
pollyomisfit_toy: Do I have to do any type of reconfigure for the xserver at this time?06:16
CashValentineToma-: the system treats the dvd drive like a thumbdrive deal --06:17
misfit_toypollyo, before rebooting, it should install "restricted-drivers manager" which will be under "system", just check the box next to the nvidia drivers, then reboot.06:17
Toma-CashValentine: yeh, looks like its thinking all your stuff is on SCSI06:17
CashValentineI'll try hard coding like you said into fstab and see if that does it06:17
pollyomisfit_toy: Ok06:17
Toma-CashValentine: are you using beta? or one of the herds?06:17
misfit_toypollyo, it depends, we'll have to see. every card is diff.06:17
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CashValentineit's the latest feisty stuff on amd6406:17
CashValentineToma-: it's the latest feisty stuff on amd6406:18
Toma-CashValentine: but, when you installed, was it beta or herd?06:18
pollyomisfit_toy: Ok.  I'm rebooting ....Be back in a few minutes if all goes well... If not then sudo apt-get remove nvidia*06:18
misfit_toypollyo, make that "system/administration/restricted-drivers"06:18
CashValentineToma-: upgrade from dapper06:18
CashValentineToma-: don't know06:18
pollyomisfit_toy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy06:18
misfit_toypollyo, yes, exactly06:18
hidanIf I have 2 versions of ATI drivers installed, is it likely there will be system conflicts and lockups ?06:19
CashValentineToma-: used the upgrade-manager with dapper06:19
Toma-CashValentine: right.06:19
Toma-CashValentine: youll need to make a dir cdrom0 in media if you add that fstab line06:20
CashValentineToma-: where are all the dbus/hal default settings configured?06:20
CashValentineToma-: I'll check this out and reboot with the drive in there, later, and thx06:20
Toma-CashValentine: probably best to steer clear of messing with hal and dbus06:21
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clever[rev] [Toma- PING reply] : 1235milisec06:24
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DanaGOne thing I notice:06:26
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DanaGEdgy had a nice sample "eft-theme" for usplash, in the usplash-dev package.06:27
DanaGFeisty has no such "fawn" theme.06:27
HobbseeDanaG: too late to fix06:31
DanaGI don't need it in the repos; gnome-look.org would be fine.06:32
DanaGBesides, not many people know about that one.06:32
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nomasteryoda|woh my god06:33
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nomasteryoda|wfinally knetworkmanager asks to always allow06:34
nomasteryoda|w... that has long been overdue06:34
nomasteryoda|wno mor asking for keys to my wallet06:34
DanaGshould be Gaim -- caps.06:34
DanaGOh, and is release-critical hyphenated?06:35
DanaGCan anybody recommend a nice purple Gnome theme?  I like orange, but I want to try something different for a change.06:35
DanaGI like Gentoo's purple, but I don't want to RUN Gentoo.06:36
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pollyomisfit_toy: Hello06:37
mon^rchwhat's a nice gui app for my webcam... to take pics, please?06:37
pollyomisfit_toy: Still no go on the drivers.06:37
pollyomister_roboto: With these drivers am I supose to get a Nvidia splash screen like I once did?06:38
joshua_mon^rch, camorama06:38
joshua_(does not support YUV mode, though)06:38
mon^rchjoshua_: tnku06:38
mon^rchwhat's YUV?06:39
joshua_if that doesn't do it, you may just be stuck with xawtv06:39
DanaGOh yeah, is there any way to implement LFE Crossover in ALSA?06:39
joshua_a pixel format06:39
DanaGThere's also Kamera.06:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kamera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:39
DanaG!info kamer06:39
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ubotuPackage kamer does not exist in feisty06:39
DanaG!info kamera06:39
ubotukamera: digital camera io_slave for Konqueror. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 91 kB, installed size 376 kB06:39
DanaGOh, then that may not be the same.06:39
joshua_in particular, my r5u870 webcam built into my VAIO SZ does not work with camorama; works fine in xawtv06:39
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mon^rchwell my apt-get camorama seemed to work just fine... :/06:40
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mon^rchomg! the picture is horrible!06:42
fojod0iwhat is feisty+1 ?06:42
ajmorris_anyone successfully installed Enigmail for Thunderbird? i found it on their site but for seamonkey and i am using just thunderbird so it won't install06:42
mon^rchanother suggestion pls....06:42
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HobbseeDanaG: not sure06:45
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Hobbseechanserv is laggy today :(06:46
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hidanyeowch RC ?06:49
hidanoh release candidate!06:49
jmlI have a bug, and I'm not sure where to file it...06:50
mon^rchI don't suppose for some odd reason the RC would be different than my current install+all the updates, hmmm?06:50
jmlI have a USB headset. I configure System / Preferences / Sound to send all sound out via 'USB Audio'. At this point, sound plays through my headset. If I unplug the headset, then plug it in again, all sound is played through my laptop speakers, not my headset.06:51
jmlThe settings in S / P / Sound now say "USB Audio (disconnected)".06:51
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Hobbseemon^rch: no, it wouldnt06:52
jmlAnd I can change them to 'USB Audio'.06:52
mon^rchfor a start...06:52
mon^rchHobbsee: yeah, as I thought... I can be real gullible though :P06:53
DanaGdebconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog06:53
DanaGdebconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)06:53
DanaGdebconf: falling back to frontend: Readline06:53
jmlmon^rch: do bugs get gardened from there to actual packages / upstream products?06:53
mon^rchjml: I'm not sure what you mean.... :/06:54
jmlmon^rch: 'moved'06:54
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mon^rchI am sure the devs are checking things out regularly and doing their best :)06:55
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mon^rchfeisty sure is yummy though :)06:55
mon^rchfeisty+1 ought to givw M$ a run for their money for sure!06:56
watsboxHi, I just auto updated my Feisty packages and lost my wireless network manager in the upper right corner of the screen.06:56
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mon^rchcos this is  a BEAUTIFUL THING.... EVEN ON A BOARD/CPU THATS 4 YEARS OLD06:57
mon^rchsorry caps06:57
mon^rchI'm pushing it to windows users...06:57
watsboxI AM a winDoZE user!!! Running Ubuntu to investigate taking $$$ from Micro$oft...06:58
aubadeAnyone know if they got most of the chinks worked out of parted since HERD5?06:58
RAOFjml: dpkg -S says that System->Preferences->Sound is in the package "gnome-control-center".  That's probably a good start for the bug filing.06:59
os2macwatsbox: is it similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/10535206:59
ubotuMalone bug 105352 in knetworkmanager "After recent update Knetworkmanager shows incorrect link status." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 06:59
mon^rchso far, I think windows rules by gaming, and the MOST popular apps/software is written for windows :)06:59
mon^rchI still like xp...06:59
tonyyarussoAnyone familiar with flash in firefox, please look at bug 10561407:00
ubotuMalone bug 105614 in firefox "[feisty]  Flash site only partially loads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10561407:00
jmlRAOF: ok, thanks07:00
DarkMageZmon^rch, windows wins due to active directory07:00
mon^rchas for functionality... omg linux rules07:00
mon^rchanother plus07:00
mon^rchwhat are the linux equiv's?07:01
DarkMageZopenldap. but hardly anyone knows how to use it07:01
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DanaGI wonder why the brightness-control fixes from .20 haven't been backported...07:01
DanaGOne bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xorg-server/+bug/6174607:02
ubotuMalone bug 61746 in xorg-server "Xorg exits when it receives an ACPI button/lid event" [High,Needs info] 07:02
mon^rchwhat's an alternative to camorama? the picture quality is horrible07:02
watsboxos2mac: This says Knetworkmanager. is that the default ap in Gnome? The descripton looks similar... What happend is my Wireless Intel integrated in Laptop STILL works but the list of available networks dissappeared. It lists the Wired network component but not the wireless....07:02
DanaGand the related fix:07:03
mon^rchand ohoh... is there an app that lets me use video as wallpaper?07:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xwinwrap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:03
DanaG!info xwinwrap07:03
ubotuPackage xwinwrap does not exist in feisty07:03
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watsboxos2mac: ok. I have confirmed that the application that stopped working correctly is Networkmanager. The actual Network device appears to be working.07:05
os2macI also just noticed this bug#10523407:06
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:06
os2macwatsbox: Knetworkmanager is just a KDE frontend for network-manager07:07
clever[rev] Python Imaging Library 1.1.4 or higher is required to run Comix.07:07
clever[rev] what package is that in?07:07
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MugginsMpython-imaging  I think07:08
mon^rchwhere do I auto identify in "konversation"07:08
clever[rev] lol07:08
clever[rev] i was using grep image to find it07:08
clever[rev] searching for image wont find imaging07:09
clever[rev] and the depends on comix need fixing because it shouldnt be able to install without that:P07:09
watsboxos2mac: Looks very much like the problem. I am reviewing but am not sure how to use the listed patch...07:10
watsboxos2mac: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297631/patch_network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu6.patch07:10
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watsboxos2mac: Since this has been reported, do you think that I should just Roll back the network manager and wait till this is repaired?07:11
clever[rev] thanks MugginsM it loads now:)07:11
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starzyeah im getting packet loss all over the place and inet is verrry unstable =/07:11
os2macwatsbox: I think that is a patch to the code for the network-manager app. it will have to be incorperated into a change in the app and then pushed to the repository.07:11
starzbut i got beryl working nicely and autoloading ^_^07:11
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os2macwatsbox: you can certainly try though I can't help you with the roll back as I have never done one through adept.07:11
mon^rchawesome speed... just awesome!07:12
os2mac you can also just install Kwifimanager and use that in the meantime.07:12
mon^rchdoes it get any better?07:12
watsboxos2mac: Thanks, I will ask the UBUNTU General forum how to roll back... Good night...07:12
mon^rchanybody know a way I can use video as a desktop?07:13
RAOFxwinwrap, probably worth a google.07:13
os2macHobbsee: is there a way in adept to rollback to a previous version of a package?07:14
DarkMageZos2mac, you can roll back the package to a previous version using synaptic. select the package and go force version. so long as the old version hasn't been removed from the repo. you're good to go07:15
watsboxos2mac: they just published an update to the networkmanager. I am installing now... standby please...07:15
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arshadwould someone plz help me fix my sourcelist07:17
os2macwatsbox: where did you see that... it's not showing in the repositories07:17
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starscallingwatsbox whats this with the network manager?07:18
arshadwhen i try to run synaptic, it says something about deb not recognized07:18
os2macDarkmageZ: is synaptic normally loaded to Kubuntu or is it just a ubuntu package07:18
watsboxos2mac: just showed in update manager while we were online. you may need to update your local repository data...07:18
DarkMageZos2mac, tis a ubuntu package.07:19
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ibmubmweallbmforwatsbox whats this with the network manager?07:19
arshadanyone, plz07:19
os2macDarkMageZ: ahh thanks... I don't know if that functionality exists in Adept07:19
DanaGhar: The GeForce 6150, the previous Nvidious integrated graphics part integrated onto MCP61, doesn't support HDCP, so that means a respin. The integrated core will be dubbed the GeForce 7025 and 7050. Interestingly, we're pretty sure this is the first time Nvidia has ever used the '25' suffix to describe a product. Does it stand for '25 frames a second you must be joking'?07:19
os2macwatsbox: what version is the package?07:20
ibmubmweallbmforits GOT to be networking out of wack as its losing inet every few minutes // ==>> seconds07:20
ibmubmweallbmforany clue what packages i should be trying to downgrade or perhaps compile?07:20
watsboxthe networkmanager stopped working on my ubuntu feisty load following update07:21
os2macI am showing that I have .0.6.4-6ubuntu6 version of network manager and it's still broke.07:21
watsboxos2mac: http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297631/patch_network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu6.patch07:21
os2macalready running that... still borked07:21
watsboxos2mac: oops.... wrong paste...07:21
DanaGhttp://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38799   ---   If I had my druthers, I druther have set up LVM and a few other things during the install, but my point is that it really is simple. Accept the defaults, and it works.07:21
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DanaGThey don't say what distro.07:21
ibmubmweallbmforwatsbox your wireless or eth0 was broken?07:22
arshadno one is willing to help me07:22
arshadwould someone plz help07:22
watsboxos2mac: my networkmanager I am downloading is 0.6.4-6ubuntu507:22
os2macthat's an old version.07:23
watsboxibmubmweallbmfor: wireless07:23
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crazy_buscan anyone tell me more about multimedia support in kubuntu feisty.  As playing a mp3 in amarok didn't do anything and neither did playing videos install codecs07:24
watsboxos2mac: update manager is running right now. typing as fast as I can. Still a bit new to the environment... please standby... thanks07:24
Aldante_FaxHello, I'm attempting to install Feisty x86 Desktop and the installation process seems to have stopped at Step 5 of 7 - I do not wish to migrate documents and settings however I cannot continue.07:24
os2macwatsbox: sorry.07:25
jttAldante_Fax: give it a bogus user name it wont find it and you may be able to continue07:26
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watsboxos2mac: update completed. now running NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4 - performed a dpkg-reconfigure network-manager07:26
watsbox Problem still exists.. should I reboot?07:26
jttAldante_Fax: i thouht that frame has an escape to next07:26
Aldante_Faxjtt: That area of the screen is greyed out and I cannot type in things to it.07:26
jttAldante_Fax: hmmm07:27
Aldante_FaxI am stuck with a loading cursor. There was some hard drive activity initially however now there's nothing goin' on.07:27
Aldante_FaxThat was about an hour or two ago.07:27
RAOFAldante_Fax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/8982107:27
ubotuMalone bug 89821 in ubiquity "Crash during "Migrate Documents and Settings" prevents installation from proceeding" [Medium,Fix released] 07:27
watsboxos2mac: OOPS!! sent message to all... Question, should I reboot?07:28
jttAldante_Fax: how old is the cd you are installing from07:28
jttAldante_Fax: that but was fixed i believe07:28
Aldante_Faxjtt: I downloaded and burned the latest iso today07:28
os2macwatsbox: you can try or you can try just to restart x. I don't think it's a network-manager problem persay.07:28
jttAldante_Fax: iso from where  daily07:29
os2macI think it's a GUI front end problem.... because my connection still works I just don't see the status.07:29
watsboxos2mac: I am beginning to think that you are right... My connection is working but i no longer get the pretty bars that show the different wireless networks and the configuration tools....07:30
jttAldante_Fax: where did you download the iso from07:30
watsboxos2mac: restarting window manager. will return shortly... Unless I totally messed up my laptop... ;-)07:31
os2macwatsbox: that is exactly what I am seeing on Kubuntu Fiesty... I can manipulate the connection from the command prompt just fine. just can't do it through the GUI07:31
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watsboxos2mac: ok.. got your last post. restarting now... -W07:31
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watsboxos2mac: I am back. things are the same...07:38
Aldante_Faxjtt: I got the iso from the ubuntu site, gimme a sec to pull up the mirror07:39
os2macwatsbox: I think they either have a bug in network-manager that is breaking the status reporting (this would explain why both the ubuntu and kubuntu versions aren't working) or the GUI's are broken.07:39
os2maccould be a lib thing as well.07:40
os2macwatsbox: but it is kinda funny that both GUI's are borked in the same manner.07:40
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Aldante_FaxHowever! I've used the bypass listed in the link RAOF posted earlier, so all is well07:41
watsboxos2mac: Ok.. I am bushed and busted... I installed wifi-radar to get by. will check back tomorrow night.. thanks for the help....07:41
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watsboxos2mac: borked? ;-)07:41
watsboxos2mac: well, guess we just got the definition of a pre-production load... ... g-night...07:42
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cjsoftukI think I found a bug!07:43
os2macwatsbox: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=borked07:43
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cjsoftukA serious one at that! - Network Manager shows my network connections as disconnected, despite me having full network access07:44
os2maccjsoftuk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/10523407:44
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 07:44
watsboxcjsoftuk: we just went through this... os2mac and I agree... it is borked...07:45
os2macwatsbox: how'd you like the first definition?07:45
watsboxos2mac: rotflol ENTIRE FAMILY....07:46
cjsoftukUpdate for network manager available!07:46
watsboxcjsoftuk: been there... done that... got t-shirt and hat... update did NOTHING...07:47
os2maccjsoftuk if its 0.6.4-6ubuntu6 don't bother.07:47
watsboxcjsoftuk: loaded wifi-radar for the time being...07:47
os2macor Kwifimanager if your a kubuntu user.07:47
cjsoftukwatsbox, os2mac: I wondered if you were going to say that07:48
os2macgoing to say what?07:48
os2macif the update didn07:48
os2macdidn't fix it?07:48
cjsoftukos2mac: It was your "if it's 0.6.4...." comment07:49
Toma-my wireless/networkmanager keeps reportingthe signal is going from 1% to 91%07:49
os2macI am just glad I am not the only one having the problem.. that way I am just waiting on someone else to fix a package (I am not a programmer, I am sysadmin)07:49
os2macand a Solaris sysadmin at that.07:49
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watsboxToma-: at least yours still shows a connection. os2mac and cjsoftuk and watsbox are borked07:50
=== os2mac now he is going to abuse his new word :)
os2macwatsbox have you ever changed your google language to swedish chef?07:51
=== watsbox right on!
os2macgo to http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en and look at some of the interface language options.07:52
watsboxos2mac: my son liked the elmer fudd...07:53
os2macbork, bork, bork07:53
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os2macelmer fudd07:53
os2macpig latin07:53
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watsboxos2mac: good night. got to earn a living with a buch of Micro$oft stuff in the am... I am just a lowly network design engineer... sigh..07:54
os2macdon't feel bad I am a Solaris Sysadmin on an I386 network.07:55
setanta__Hello after having made an update from edgy to feisty I got this error message during the boot: Mounting local filesystems... Mount: unknown file system type '0'    [fail]  after that the system boots but i cannot mount or unmount ntfs drives. Has any one got any idea about how to solve this?07:55
os2macusing Solaris 8 noless.07:55
os2macI am out as well. it's 2am here.07:56
watsboxos2mac: my condolences... gnight. sync sync shutdown07:56
DanaGUgh, we have a Solaris thin-client system08:03
DanaGwith Sun's Java Desktop -- an ancient wannabe-Gnome.08:03
DanaGOh, and it has Mozilla 1.7!  Not Seamonkey, real 1.7!08:03
MugginsMwe just got rid of all our SunRays08:06
MugginsMnice concept, but Sun just can't seem to do Linux right08:06
DanaGOh, and they have USB Ball mice.08:06
DanaGAnd the school replaced the decent Sun keyboards with crappy Dell anti-ergonomic (the ones with the HUGE spacebar) keyboards.08:07
Toma-looking glass is pretty fun08:07
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Toma-the API is pretty horrid tho08:07
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DanaGOh, I wonder if Ubuntu-LTSP would work on SunRays.08:08
MugginsMsunrays have their own very proprietary protocol08:08
MugginsMthere is a sunray server that runs on Linux but we found it very buggy08:08
MugginsMat least it didn't work well with Ubuntu's GDM08:09
DanaGI wish at the very least they'd offer a non-ancient Gnome and a non-ancient Mozilla (FIREFOX!).08:10
MugginsMit's a nice idea, and the machines themselves are quite nice08:10
MugginsMmakes for quiet, cool, labs08:11
DanaGgmm, http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/How_To_Section08:11
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emostar_well lets see if feisty kde is more stable than the gnome08:12
emostar_irc wize08:13
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macogwany ati users in here right now?08:29
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Hobbseeulmolavender: it's a development release.  deal.08:33
Hobbseeie, bug fixes require uploads, yes08:34
DarkMageZmacogw, i am an ati user. sup?08:37
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shirishguys anybody able to apt-get tracker?08:44
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macogwDarkMageZ: my friend's computer has a Radeon 200m08:49
macogwhe had beryl going with edgy, but it wont go on feisty08:49
macogwfglrxinfo says stuff about DRI and its all mesa stuff instead of ati stuff08:50
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macogwand the image is really distorted so you cant actually read anything08:50
shirishmacogw: do u know how I can install tracker?08:50
macogwi dont know what tracker is08:51
Toma-macogw: sounds like a drivers problem...08:51
shirishToma-: do u know how I can install tracker instead of beagle for searching folders & stuff08:51
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Toma-shirish: not a clue. i dont use search programs :D08:51
shirishok cool, here is the web-page anyhow if somebody finds something more08:52
Toma-macogw: do you remember your xorg.conf options for the fglrx driver? in edgy?08:52
Toma-shirish: and what doesnt it do?08:53
macogwToma-: its not my computer, it's a friend's and he left already, but he did an upgrade, not fresh install so xorg.conf is exactly the same08:53
dystopianraygutsy gibbon?08:53
macogwyes, gutsy gibbon08:54
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macogwand apparently a very Free Glossy Gnu to accompany it?08:54
Toma-gibbons fling poo at each other08:54
dystopianraycan we get a default wallpaper with a gibbon on it?08:54
shirishHobbsee: were you not talking about tracker yesterday, to use instead of beagle, I am unable to find it in universe08:54
Hobbseeshirish: i wasnt, no08:55
Toma-!info tracker08:55
ubotutracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-4 (feisty), package size 231 kB, installed size 1004 kB08:55
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tgelterI don't know much about the "find" command under bash, but I need to search for a line of text and I don't know where the file is or what it's called. How can I search for a specific string contained in some file (searching recursively) ?08:55
bur[n] er_shirish: sudo apt-get install tracker doesn't do it for you?08:55
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shirishbur[n] er: nope it does not08:56
Toma-tgelter: you could probably pipe the results from 'locate' into find... not sure how tho08:56
bur[n] ershirish: it does here... it's in universe08:56
RAOFtgelter: Grep.  Grep is awesome.08:56
RAOFtgelter: grep -R "String To search for" /path/to/search/*08:56
shirishbur[n] er: I have universe ticked08:56
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bur[n] erwell, it's there08:57
tgelterRAOF: so that'll look inside text files eh?08:57
tgelteryep, worked like a charm08:57
RAOFtgelter: It'll look inside *all* files.  There's probably a way to get it to only look in text files.08:57
shirishbur[sudo apt-get install tracker08:57
shirishReading package lists... Done08:57
shirishBuilding dependency tree08:57
shirishReading state information... Done08:57
shirishPackage tracker is not available, but is referred to by another package.08:57
shirishThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or08:57
shirishis only available from another source08:58
shirishE: Package tracker has no installation candidate08:58
shirishsorry guys08:58
Jucato!pastebin | shirish08:58
ubotushirish: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)08:58
Toma-awesome paste08:58
bur[n] ershirish: apt-get update?08:58
shirishI already did that this morning, to get my daily dose of updates08:58
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RAOF!info tracker feisty08:58
ubotutracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-4 (feisty), package size 231 kB, installed size 1004 kB08:58
RAOFSo, it's really there :P08:58
GambaroniIs the server for releases.ubuntu.com down?08:59
bur[n] ershirish: you can download hte .deb and install it manually.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/tracker08:59
crdlbGambaroni, no09:00
Hobbseemacogw: shoulda let me tease them more :P09:00
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crdlbworks fine here09:00
shirishthanx hope there are no dependencies there09:00
shirishaha, perhaps its not their in my indian archives, from where I usually take stuff.09:01
Gambaronicrdlb ok, for me too now =/.. but for 1 minute it didn't and 12 hours ago09:01
Gambaronialso, from 12 hours ago until 1 minute.. it didn't work =/09:01
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coz_who are the maintainers of the ubuntu repos for beryl ...anyone here ?09:02
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macogwcoz_: beryl's in universe09:03
coz_macogw, yeah are you one of the maintianters09:03
coz_macogw, do you know who is?09:03
macogwoh nvm i thought you were asking about beryl-project.org repos being out of date09:04
RAOFracarr, onestone certainly touch those packages.09:04
macogwbut i'm a really bad psychic09:04
RAOFcoz_: But what do you want to ask the maintainers about?09:04
coz_macogw   well   in a way yes but actually  I have many people in #beryl rquesting several plugins that have been missing in ALL the repos but the debian reop09:04
coz_these plugin have beenmissing for over three weeks now09:05
Jucatocoz_: try #ubuntu-effects09:05
coz_Jucato, ok let give tha tone a try thanks09:06
RAOFcoz_: Those plugins are (almost certainly) not going to hit the Universe Beryl packages.09:06
coz_RAOF, why is that09:07
macogwRAOF: probably cuz feisty's in feature freeze09:08
RAOFcoz_: Becasue Feisty is being released *next week*.09:08
coz_RAOF, but these are also missing in ALL the repos not just feisty's09:08
HobbseeRAOF: no almost about.09:08
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HobbseeRAOF: yes, but they're testing RC's now.  nothing not release-critical wont get in09:09
coz_there is NO repo other than debians tha have these pluging  notjust feisty09:09
macogwcoz_: beryl's not in any ubuntu repos except feisty's, unless that's a recent change09:09
RAOFcoz_: Well... Ok.  But why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1 then?09:09
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RAOFOr, in fact, why don't you pacakge it yourself?09:10
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coz_RAOF, well i have tried emailing the maintainers of some of the repos at the gudance of the berl devs since it woudl be the responisibility of the maintainters rto package these plugins but so far no response so I thought i would just go int most of the relevant channels to see if any maintainer was around09:11
RAOFIt's also entirely possible that people are waiting for the merge to get settled down.09:11
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coz_sorry about that09:12
crazy_busnvidia-glx-config enable isn't working for me I get this error.  What do you recommend I do? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15182/09:12
GambaroniCan I run ubuntu from a USB stick?09:12
RAOFcrazy_bus: I recommend you use the "Restricted manager".  System->Administration->Resricted manager09:12
coz_RAOF, well there are people who use beryl still and these plugins all of a sudden three weeks ago have beenmissing so waiting for the merge is not a good reason to pull a plugin that has been in use for some time09:13
crazy_busI'm using kubuntu.  Is there still a Restricted manager?09:13
RAOFcrazy_bus: No, sadly.  What nvidia card do you have, anyway?  It's possible that "sudo nvidia-xconfig" will work.09:14
Jucatospeaking of which, I had problems with that earlier...09:14
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crazy_busI have a intergrated geforce2.  I installed the legacy drivers from add remove programs09:16
RAOFAh.  Well, you should be able to just go "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and replace the "nv" with "nvidia" to get the card to work.09:17
crazy_busI don't know if this is the place to ask but I've being wondering for a long time.  How come you can tab words in the terminal after sudo but not after kdesu09:18
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crazy_busI updated xorg.  I'll restart now and see if it works.  Thanks for your help09:19
MugginsM/etc/bash_completion has instructions for tab completion. it probably knows about sudo but not kdesu09:19
shirishbur[n] er: u still here?09:20
MugginsMah yep, search for "root_command" in it, it has sudo listed but not kdesu09:20
shirishguys anybody using tracker?09:21
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shirishsee u guys l8ter09:22
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pollyoWhat is the difference between a generic kernel and say a 386 kernel?09:22
binskipy2uwell ubuntu 7. looks really nice , i d/l and ran it live the other day09:22
binskipy2unot bad at all09:22
Jucato!generic | pollyo09:23
ubotupollyo: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)09:23
RAOFMan, I should check out ubotu's factlet lest more often.09:23
Jucato"factlet lest"?09:23
pollyoJucato: Does that page tell you how to determine the best one for your system?09:23
Jucatoyeah I think so. short answer: the -generic is the best (and the others are no longer made)09:24
RAOF:)  "Factlets" more often :)09:24
pollyoAnyone have suggestions on how to get restricted video drivers working?09:25
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pollyoOr a webstie that I could look at on the topic09:25
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:26
Jucatothat site? ^^^09:26
crazy_busI changed nv to nvidia in kate and it might have worked.  But the command glxgears still gives me this error like it did with nv: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".    Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual09:26
pollyoJucato: Ok.  Thanks again!09:27
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crazy_busdoes anyone know how to get the nvidia working with 3d again?09:33
RAOFcrazy_bus: Oh, sorry.  What does your xorg.conf look like now (pastebin it)09:34
binskipy2udoes ubuntu, beryl like ati cards?09:36
binskipy2uor is it like pulling teeth to get it running stable and smooth?09:36
dwabinskipy2u: i have an ati card with the open source drivers and it runs perfectly09:38
binskipy2u< ati 9250 128mb 8x agp09:38
dwai don't know about the closed source drivers though09:38
dwai have a radeon mobility 750009:38
jussi01is RC out yet?09:38
Fujitsujussi01: I'm sure the topic will be changed when it is.09:39
Toma-(yes its out)09:39
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Hobbseerelease annoucement hasnt been made yet09:40
Hobbseetesting candidates are there though09:40
RAOFcrazy_bus: Hm.  That looks OK.  How about pastbinning /var/log/Xorg.0.log?09:40
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Toma-use /topic blah09:41
jussi01Toma-, thanks09:41
Andrukive been using feisty for awhile now, and after the last few updates, i havent been able to successfully login.  gdm asks for my un and pw, shows a (normal) brownish screen, then crashes back to the login screen.  help?09:43
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RAOFcrazy_bus: AH!  "(EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension"09:44
Toma-Andruk: put your ~/.xsession-errors file on pastebin and ill take a look at it09:44
dystopianrayRAOF: are you using the nvidia-legacy driver?09:44
RAOFcrazy_bus: Welcome to the wonderful world of old drivers.  You can either enable GLX with composite (and get annying artifacts), or you can disable Composite.09:44
RAOFdystopianray: No, but crazy_bus is :)09:44
AndrukToma: might take awhile...im not on that comp...ill have to type it all out...do my best.09:45
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Toma-Andruk: ermmm dont do that. just look for errors in it09:45
RAOFTo disable composite you want to edit xorg.conf and add "Section "Extension"<enter><tab>Option "Composite" "Disable"<enter>EndSection"09:45
crazy_busI used the normal nvidia drivers in edgy.  Am I correct in switching to legacy with feisty?09:46
AndrukToma: thanks, theres a few different errors, but the most common one is "Can't open display `:0`"...should i take a peek at xorg.conf and see if theres a problem there?09:47
dystopianraycrazy_bus: what card do you have?09:47
crazy_busintergrated geforce2 either the fx or mx I cant remember09:47
Toma-Andruk: looks like youve tried to run X as root?09:47
RAOFcrazy_bus: It's a Geforce 2, right?  I'm pretty sure that the 9xxx series of drivers *don't* support geforce2 cards.09:48
Toma-they dont even support gd409:48
Andruki have, from the terminal: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"...i didnt think i could do it without sudo...09:48
RAOFToma-: 96xx series do, and that's what nvidia-glx is now.09:49
RAOFToma-: 97xx is nvidia-glx-new :)09:49
Toma-i gtg09:49
Toma-sorry folks09:49
Andrukthanks Toma09:49
dystopianrayRAOF: so feisty has 96xx as the nvidia module and 97xx as nvidia-new?09:51
crazy_busI pasted this into my xorg Section "Extension"<enter><tab>Option "Composite" "Disable"<enter>EndSection  ..  Will that fix my problem.  And what will disabling Composite do to my computer?09:52
RAOFdystopianray: Yes, indeed.09:52
RAOFcrazy_bus: Oh, I hope you didn't paste that verbatim.  The <enter> was ment to be replaced by a new line, and the <tab> by a tab key :)09:52
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RAOFcrazy_bus: And what it will do is disable transparency, pretty much.09:52
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crazy_buswill that effect any opengl programs?09:54
GambaroniIf I install Ubuntu Feisty Fawn today, will it be possible to update to final release next week then?09:54
RAOFGambaroni: Yes.09:55
crdlbGambaroni, yes09:55
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dystopianrayGambaroni: if you wait the feisty release candidate should be out soon09:55
RAOFcrazy_bus: No.  Well, it will, because it will mean that you can *run* OpenGL programs :)09:55
crdlbthe feisty rc is out I think09:55
Gambaronidystopianray why wait then? =)09:55
dystopianrayGambaroni: so you can use the feisty release candidate instead of the beta09:55
RAOFcrazy_bus: But it won't effect transparency in opengl programs.  Pretty much it will just mean you can't use Compiz or Beryl without extra work.09:56
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acusterare java programs based on eclipse espcially slow for anyone else with the current x?09:56
Gambaronii will use the RC anyway next week.. the difference would be that i use the BETA one week?09:56
GambaroniWould it be nice to update, just use packagemanager?09:56
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GambaroniHow do I do to run the desktop cd from an USB stick? just copy the files?09:58
Andrukwhen i login to gdm, it crashes back to the login screen.  any suggestions?09:59
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xipietotecI have the weirdest bug ever...10:07
xipietotecbug 10568110:07
ubotuMalone bug 105681 in mplayer "Mplayer will not load at all after upgrading to Feisty" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10568110:07
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wolkehow can i install virtualbox?10:08
Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: i think that is a duplicate10:08
wolkewhen i try to install the edgy package from their website, there are quite a few unsolved dependencies10:09
Jucatowb Admiral_Chicago10:09
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xipietotecAdmiral_Chicago: duplicate bug? I submitted it...I poked around for a bit, but the weird thing is, running ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep libdirect says I'm associated with  libdirectfb .25....but when I actually run mplayer it says "cannot load libdirectfb.24"10:10
Admiral_Chicagothanj you Jucato10:10
xipietotecand I've *purged* the damn thing and reinstalled it10:10
Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: give me a sec10:10
Admiral_Chicagoits a dependency issue, i'll tag it along the proper lines10:10
LoneShadowany known issues for upgrading from xubuntu edgy to feisty ?10:11
xipietotecthankya Admiral_Chicago =)10:11
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GambaroniHow do I do to run the desktop cd from an USB stick? just copy the files?10:13
zeroflagthe annoyance of grub, my linux kernel and nvidia drivers has no end.10:13
xipietotecGambaroni: oh I wish it were that easy10:14
xipietotecno you have to format it with boot sectors and crap like that10:14
xipietotechttp://www.pendrivelinux.com I think it is?10:15
wolkehas anyone installed virtualbox on feisty?10:15
Gambaronixipietotec ok.. ty anyway =), i think i skip that ;)10:16
Andrukafter the past few feisty updates, when i try to login to gdm, it just crashes back to the login screen...anyhelp out there?10:16
Gambaronixipietotec i thought bios handles usb and cd same :O10:16
xipietotecAndruk: have you tried using failsafe gnome?10:16
AndrukGambaroni: I have heard of people taking Ubuntu around on Live CDs and using their flash drives for the stuff they want to keep10:16
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fenrigmajor problems10:17
Andrukxipietotec: i did...it worked, but i didnt know what to fix, ill get back into it10:17
GambaroniAndruk huh?10:17
fenrigwhen fsck runs10:18
fenrigit gets a major error10:18
xipietotecAndruk: did you change any of your startup services?10:18
fenrigand want to go in maintenance mode10:18
Andrukxipietotec: no, not that i know of...10:18
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fenrigand i try everything that i knew10:18
fenrigim now in the livecd10:18
fenrighelp me10:18
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xipietotecI had a problem after a batch of upgrades with the same thing happening, then I logged into failsafe-gnome and did another batch of upgrades....and it took forever to load...but eventually loaded just fine, it was reloading everything I had opened when it crashed last10:19
Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: i'm looking at the latest source, maybe I can build a patch10:19
Admiral_Chicagoor find the bug at the very least10:19
AndrukGambaroni: they restart the campus computers and boot into Ubuntu using a Live CD, then when theyre done, they save everything to a flash drive and reboot the machine, which goes back to windows10:19
xipietotecAdmiral_Chicago: w00t! :D10:19
Andrukxipietotec: okay, ill try it10:19
GambaroniAndruk and then you can boot from the usb stick?10:19
xipietotecGambaroni: no, they use the USB stick for storage and just use the live-cd's for running things.10:20
AndrukGambaroni: no, but it allows you to be mobile with 'buntu instead of windoooz10:20
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fenrigi have to stop begging10:21
fenrigand maybe go back to my first distro ever10:21
fenrigcan somedy help10:21
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xipietotecfenrig: tell me you did not just update to feisty by using dist-upgrade?10:22
Andrukxipietotec: yeah, failsafe-gnome didnt work10:22
Gambaroniandrew ok10:22
fenrigi installed feisty on a new partition10:22
fenrigusing live cd10:22
fenrigand im using feisty for a month or something10:23
fenrigand 2weeks feisty of kubuntu10:23
xipietotecfenrig: okay, and what's the fsck error?10:23
fenrigactually i dont know10:23
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fenrigi presume it cant fix anything so it goes in maintenance mode10:24
xipietotecuse the live cd, change your splash to verbose, and then copy down the fsck error10:24
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zeroflagcan anybody tell me what the nvidia-glx-new package contains?10:24
fenrigsorry but can u explain that to me again???10:25
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Andrukxipietotec: anything else?  failsafe-gnome didnt work...10:25
ropikuAny ideas on how to grub-install ? After chroot /dev/sda doesn't exist10:25
xipietotecif you use the live cd, you can mount your feisty partition, chroot into it, and inspect it, for instance, you can edit your splash page to display a list of everything it's doing, (verbose mode) which should tell you what the fsck error is10:26
zeroflagropiku: /dev/sda is a physical sata hdd?10:26
zeroflagropiku: and you chrooted into it?10:27
fenrigwhat is chroot10:27
ropikumounted as /mnt/sda3 and mounted it (sda3 is my /)10:27
fenrigi am sorry i am using linux for half a year i now some commands but i never heard of chroot10:27
ropikusomeone said MarkFeathers: ropiku: If you need /dev/ in a chroot, you need to bind it "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /pathtochroot/dev", and "sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /pathtochroot/proc/"10:27
xipietotecfenrig: a command to root into a mounted file system10:28
zeroflagropiku: try df -a10:28
ropikuon chroot ? on live cd it shows my partitions10:28
xipietotecand exactly what ropiku said, that'll give you root and proc, which means you can do updates and read and write off the system10:28
zeroflagfenrig: it basicly puts / whereever you tell it to. if you have a proper linux installation there, you can take controll over it.10:29
ropikuwhat this does "sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /pathtochroot/dev" ? someone said10:29
zeroflagropiku: on chroot, yes.10:29
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fenrigokay i mounted the whole thing to ~/sda210:30
fenrigso i mounted /dev/sda2 to ~/sda210:30
fenrigwhat now???10:30
zeroflagropiku: it binds your live's /dev folder to the chroot's. I wouldn't do that.10:30
zeroflagfenrig: the chroot tells you that / is on sda2?10:31
ropikuit's weird, df shows that /dev/sda2 is mounted as /. but /dev/sda2 doesn't exists (this is on chroot)10:31
zeroflagindeed, funny.10:31
zeroflaghold on, let me think.10:31
ropikuand /boot shows ok10:32
fenrigzeroflag: nothing tells me that, i just know that /dev/sda2 is my / on the computer(not on the livecd)10:32
ropikugrub > root (hd0,0)  "selected disk does not exist"10:32
fenrigbut now im stuk i dont know what to do10:32
zeroflagropiku: hmm, right. I had to do something similar to that -o bind.10:32
zeroflagropiku: as the man said: mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev10:33
zeroflagropiku: from livecd, with /chroot being wherever you want chroot to be.10:33
ropikunow sda exist10:34
zeroflagfenrig: then you're probably wrong. but why are you following instructions that are meant for ropiku?10:34
ropiku"the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly"10:34
zeroflagropiku: you have to copy it.10:34
zeroflagropiku: x86 or x64?10:34
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zeroflagropiku: then it should be in /lib/grub somewhere on live.10:35
fenrigcause xipietopec or something told me to do this10:35
zeroflagropiku: try locate stage110:35
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fenrigi mean not to follow what u say but10:35
fenrigah just take a look back10:35
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ropikuzeroflag: /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 ok?10:36
zeroflagropiku: you have to copy stage1, stage2 and the stage files for your / and /boot (if it's a partition) partitions to /boot/grub (in the chroot)10:36
zeroflagropiku: sounds about right.10:36
ChetwinOkay, all of a sudden today my volume controls on the outside of my laptop started only adjusting the pcm volume.  It use to operate the master.  Any ideas on how to fix this???10:36
ropikuzeroflag: I have an ext3 sda3 for all my /10:36
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zeroflagropiku: should be e3fs_stage1_5 or something.10:37
fenrigcan somebody please help me10:37
zeroflagropiku: copying everything from that folder is usually a safe bet. :P10:37
zeroflagfenrig: with what?10:37
fenrigzeroflag: with my fsck error10:38
zeroflagI only started using ubuntu 3 days ago about restating the issue might get you more answers. :P10:38
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CarinArrropiku: what are you actually trying to do?10:40
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zeroflagfenrig: post the question again. I don't know your problem.10:40
ropikuCarinArr: I want to reinstall my grub10:40
CarinArrropiku: why?10:40
ropikuropiku: Because I installed other OS that rewrote the MBR10:41
CarinArrnot being funny just checking;)10:41
CarinArrthen do:10:41
ropikuok ;)10:41
CarinArrhang on you using live cd?10:41
ropikucan't boot into ubuntu10:41
CarinArropen terminal10:41
CarinArrdo sudo grub10:41
ropikui tried grub-install in chroot but didn't work10:42
CarinArrand in the grub prompt, type find /boot/grub/stage110:42
ropikuthat's right, my / is sda310:42
CarinArrthen type root (hd0,2)10:42
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ropikuand setup ?10:43
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CarinArrokay then10:43
CarinArrsetup (hd0)10:43
ropikuit says ok ;)10:43
CarinArrthen quit10:43
CarinArrand try to reboot10:43
ropikuok, thank you10:43
ropikuhope it works ;)10:43
CarinArrwelcome, fingers crossed:)10:43
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crazy_busI enabled composite in xorg like you said.  But after rebooting X wouldn't load and I was left at a black screen where I could type but nothing else would happen.  I had to delete the composite part in xorg just to load kubuntu again.  What should I do?10:44
zeroflagCarinArr: can you help me too? I forgot how to recompile my nvidia drivers and I don't know what nvidia-glx-new contains. :P10:44
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zeroflagcrazy_bus: any X errors when starting?10:45
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crazy_busI dont see any messages.  Just the splash.  The splash bar loads nearly to the top then disappears then it appears empty.  Then it dissapears leaving me on a blank empty screen10:46
fenrigwell when i boot ubuntu checks for errors on to the root filesystem and i guess it gets one major error, so it goes in maintenance mode and it asks for the root pasword and i give it, then it says that i doesnt has apt and it prompts me to do apt-get install apt (were is the AI) then it goes into root terminal and i can go into my terminal but then i cant do anything but when im in my terminal i see that apt is indeed installed i can even use10:46
fenrigcrazy_bus: if u can get into ur parition then search for /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look if u have to change things that arent right and chane ur driver in the section device to vesa10:48
zeroflagcrazy_bus: nvidia drivers?10:48
fenrigand try again10:48
fenrigzeroflag: i have told u my problem10:48
EmxBAcheck this http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15193/10:48
EmxBA EOF during value of field `Package' (missing final newline)10:48
crazy_busyes.  Nvidia legacy drivers10:48
fenrigzeroflagl: can u help me10:48
zeroflagfenrig: now I can at least tell you that I have no idea. :P10:48
zeroflagfenrig: sure that your bootloader is set up properly? that you don't boot in recovery?10:49
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CarinArrzeroflag: uhm.. why dont you try just installing nvidia-glx-new?10:49
zeroflagcrazy_bus try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:49
CarinArrcrazy_bus: hang on10:50
CarinArrbefore you do that10:50
fenrigzeroflag:  does booting in recovery help me and yees i dont boot into recovery10:50
EmxBAI can't install or do anything related to packages :)10:50
CarinArrcrazy_bus: check your /var/log/Xorg.O.log10:50
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zeroflagfenrig: well, that explains why you don't get into gnome/kde. :P10:50
CarinArrcrazy_bus: that should give you a better idea of what the problem is10:50
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zeroflaghold on, that does NOT explain it.10:51
crazy_busI already posted my Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf here before.  After seeing them I was told to enable composite.  But doing so didnt work10:51
CarinArrcrazy_bus: can you paste me the links for those posts?10:51
zeroflagwhat is composite supposed to do?10:51
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crazy_bussorry.  It was an hour ago in this channel.  And I've restarted since them so konversation doesnt have a log.  I'll look in my history for the pastebins10:53
zeroflag"Unless your chipset is explicitely listed in the nvidia-glx-new description..." from the nvidia-glx-new description...10:53
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CarinArrokay will have a look10:54
CarinArrzero, what card do you have10:54
zeroflag8800 GTS.10:54
zeroflaghold on, there are chips listed in the descriptin...10:55
zeroflagof the cards which DON'T need it. >_<10:55
zeroflag"older GeForce"10:55
CarinArrzeroflag: you should use the new10:55
zeroflagvery specific!10:55
CarinArrcrazy_bus: right, let's see10:56
zeroflagCarinArr: I just hope it's compatible with my X module because everything before -new was utterly useless.10:56
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CarinArrcrazy_bus: do you have: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" in your xorg.conf?10:57
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CarinArri.e. is that what you added earlier?10:58
crazy_busI think it was false10:58
CarinArrtry adding it just after your default depth in the screen section10:59
CarinArrwith true rather than false10:59
zeroflagCarinArr: isn't nvidia-glx-new supposed to upgrade my kernel? O_o11:00
Admiral_Chicagozeroflag: no11:00
zeroflagwhat DOES upgrade my kernel?11:01
CarinArra kernel upgrade..11:01
crazy_busthe reason that started changing composite was this error with glxgears not working::    Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".     Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual11:01
zeroflagCarinArr: as module-assistant does?11:01
CarinArrcrazy_bus: yes, but your error in your Xorg.0.log says that it can't load glx because of composite11:02
CarinArrso allowing them both at once might solve the problem11:02
CarinArralso, if you don't have a wacom, you might want to comment out the wacom sections in your xorg.conf, there's no point in them throwing up errors every time you start xorg11:03
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zeroflagenough is enough. I'll use the nvidia package...11:04
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bhnetworking is kind of broken on my system as of the last upgrade11:06
rj_Where would ubuntu load it's firmware from ? there is not /usr/hotplug/firmware in feisty11:06
CarinArroh dear.. i just did that upgrade but haven't rebooted;)11:06
bhthere seems to be an interaction problem with the gnome network applet and ifconfig/dhclient/ifup and friends11:06
rj_(i'm compiling my own custom ipw2200 + injection)11:06
CarinArrbut there was a libnm update11:06
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slackernquick question, is the sensors package still the standard way of reading temperatures, i remembered reading somewhere quite some time ago about some other project but i might be wrong.11:08
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crazy_bushow do you find what your default depth is in kubuntu?11:10
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CarinArrcrazy_bus: it should be in your xorg.conf11:10
crazy_busdo I tab Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" so its in line with the with the Default depth line?11:11
CarinArrwell you can do for neatness but i don't think it makes a difference11:11
CarinArris your default depth 24?11:11
CarinArractually it is in your pasted xorg.conf so i'm assuming so:)11:12
crazy_busI've pasted it in.  Should I restart and see if it works now?11:12
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richbcrazy_bus: xdpyinfo will tell you also.11:13
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CarinArrcrazy_bus: yeah try restarting the x server11:15
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CarinArrbusfahrer: a google search gives you like thousands of results for that11:19
CarinArrer wrong window:)11:19
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busfahrerCarinArr: it's OK ;-)11:19
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CarinArrnow that's handy11:20
CarinArrin both channels11:20
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crazy_busthank you so much.  It works now.  Although I still get a freeze after restarting x then logging on11:20
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AlexC_Oh so the RC is out! nice :P11:21
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dystopianrayAlexC_: no, only an RC candidate11:22
AlexC_Release Candidate candidate?11:22
otixDid the Gnome Network applet (nm-applet) break for anyone else with yesterday's update?11:22
AlexC_dystopianray: whats the point in that :P11:22
dystopianrayAlexC_: it's nothing official, it's just a snapshot that is being tested and may possibly become the RC release11:23
AlexC_dystopianray: I see ... is it worth me getting that, or waiting until the RC?11:23
AlexC_I guess any updates from this RCC willbring me to RC and then to Final11:23
dystopianrayAlexC_: I'd wait till the RC, although there may be no changes11:23
Admiral_ChicagoAlexC_: RC is today11:23
AlexC_Admiral_Chicago: yeah I know :P it's what I'm hunting for ... any estimation as to when it's released?11:24
Admiral_Chicagono idea, i expect to be asleep by then11:24
rj_anyone got ipw2200 with injection working??11:25
dystopianrayrj_: you patched the ipw2200 for packet injection support?11:25
rj_packet injection while in monitor mode11:25
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rj_dystopianray, trying but can't compile ipw2200 (iee80211 source) causes it to error11:26
dystopianrayrj_: what patch are you using?11:26
dystopianrayrj_: doesn't it compile without the patch?11:26
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bhnetworking is completely wacked out in fiesty11:27
rj_no it dosnt compile without the patch11:27
bhdhclient doesn't work as expected11:27
rj_dystopianray,  hang on, i will get ipw and injection patch versions11:27
dystopianrayrj_: where did you get the patch from?11:27
rj_dystopianray, hang on11:28
bhwtf ?11:29
rj_ipw2200-1.1.3-inject.patch               prism54-svn-20050724.patch11:29
rj_ipw2200-1.1.4                            rtl8180-0.21v2.patch11:29
rj_dystopianray, there in the aircrack-ng svn checkout11:30
CarinArrAAAAAAAASFLKJAGLK was testing something with my nvidia driver to see if i could help, and managed to crash it11:30
dystopianrayrj_: ok, well what error are you getting when you try to compile?11:30
CarinArranyhow, back to business11:30
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dystopianraybh: what is the problem exactly?11:30
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rj_dystopianray, after placing iee80211 source in /usr/src11:31
rj_and running the make command on ipw2200 driver11:31
CarinArrcrazy_bus: when you say it hangs, does it freeze the computer completely or can you still open a terminal using ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3 whatever11:32
rj_mkdir -p /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions11:32
rj_cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions11:32
rj_cp /usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.411:32
rj_cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/../Modules.symvers': No such file or directory11:32
rj_make: [modules]  Error 1 (ignored)11:32
rj_make -C /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/build M=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4 MODVERDIR=/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/tmp/.tmp_versions modules11:32
rj_make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic'11:32
rj_  CC [M]   /home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.o11:32
rj_/home/rj/aircrack-ng/patches/ipw2200-1.1.4/ipw2200.c: In function ipw_led_link_11:32
rj_oh crap11:32
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:32
rj_ya, sorry. didnt mean to post that11:32
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Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: what does apt-cache rdepends mplayer tell you11:33
crazy_busI froze the mouse and everything that was loading.  It didnt try cntrl+alt+f1 or anything else11:34
xipietotecAdmiral_Chicago: http://rafb.net/p/X1C9PC95.html11:34
Admiral_Chicagogive me a sec11:34
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jack_deltrinoWill Opera be available in the repositories for feisty?11:35
Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: sorry i meant apt-cache show mplayer11:35
CarinArrcrazy_bus: if it happens again, try it and see if you can get into a terminal so you can view the Xorg.0.log11:35
otixWhat's up with the networking after the last update?11:36
CarinArri thought opera was commercial?11:36
jack_deltrinoCarinArr: Is that a problem?11:36
crazy_busunfortunaly when it froze ktorrent was loading.  So now ktorrent uses 100%cpu when loading and wont stop until you get to a terminal and killall it11:36
xipietotechttp://rafb.net/p/KNBkDF71.html Admiral_Chicago11:36
CarinArrjack_deltrino: yeah.. a lot of the time that's the reason why apps don't end up in the repositories11:37
jack_deltrinoCarinArr: Since when has this started happening? It's in deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main (just pulled that from a working setup)11:37
CarinArrjack_deltrino: that's not an official ubuntu repository though11:38
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CarinArryou'll likely find it in ubuntu repositories, just not the official ones11:38
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jack_deltrinoCarinArr: The reason behind that being...?11:39
Admiral_Chicagoxipietotec: will you email all that to me, i'm dead tired. its 4.30 am here11:39
xipietoteccertainly, notice me your email =)11:39
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CarinArrjack_deltrino: i think it's part it goes against ubuntu's general philosophy, part copyright issues11:40
pollyoLooking for somone who might have a suggesting as to how I might be able to recover my system.11:40
jack_deltrinoCarinArr: But canonical is the parent company is it not? (I might not have the wording down pat, but you know what I mean)11:41
Aldante_FaxIs there anything regarding installing Azureus on feisty?11:41
zeroflagthe only thing that really works for installing nvidia drivers is my script! \o/11:41
otixAldante_Fax: the version from the repo works great for me11:41
pollyoIs there any way to reinstall the base feisty system? (in this case kubuntu) if you messed up your configuration?11:41
zeroflagenvy fails, apt/synaptic fails, packages fail, nvidia script fails...11:42
zeroflagjust ridiculous.11:42
pollyoSome way from the live CD and without having to destroy your home directory?11:42
crazy_bushow do I free dpkg without a reboot.  I cant use it or apt because I get this error dpkg: status database area is locked by another process11:42
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otixpollyo: is your home directory in the root filesystem?11:43
jack_deltrinocrazy_bus: Wait for apt-get and/or dpkg then?11:43
zeroflagcrazy_bus: kill the running apt/dpkg process.11:43
pollyootix: I have everything on one partition.11:43
CarinArrjack_deltrino: well, i'm not 100% sure about opera as such.. i just know a lot of the times commercial apps don't end up in the official repositories, some patented stuff doesn't, weird ly copyrighted things don't.. and then there're legislation issues in some countries and ubuntu doesn't want to differentiate between releases for different countries11:43
pollyootix: Except the swap.11:43
jack_deltrinoCarinArr: Makes sense.11:43
crazy_busI have nothing open that used dpkg.11:43
zeroflagpollyo: delete everything and run debootstrap. :P11:44
bhThis totally doesn't respect the /etc/networking/interfaces file11:44
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otixpollyo: it is better if you put /home on a separate partition.  if you can't do that, be sure to have a good backup.11:44
bhwhy does dhclient and ifdown/ifup do something totally different with the network interfaces ?11:44
jack_deltrinootix: I went over this with pollyo in another channel. I think he really just wants a direct answer to his question.11:44
CarinArryou'll find the same with stuff like the w32codecs, skype etc11:44
pollyootix: Do you know how I can delte everything but my home directory?  Then resize the partition easily?11:44
otixbh: I am also seeing weirdness with the little Network panel applet11:45
pollyojack_deltrino: I'm 30 days into using linux.11:45
CarinArrbh: dhclient is just for dhcp11:45
jack_deltrinopollyo: Yes, you told me this already...?11:45
pollyojack_deltrino: I need a little hand holding if possible.11:45
jack_deltrinopollyo: Yeah, I know, that's what I was telling otix. Others were giving you workarounds.11:45
pollyojack_deltrino: I'll be the first to admit I made some dumb choices here.11:45
jack_deltrinopollyo: Some of which were clearly useless and irrelevant to what you said.11:45
CarinArrbh: normally dhclient is invoked as part of ifup if you use dhcp, but other stuff is done "before" so to speak11:46
pollyojack_deltrino: I apologize if I am getting snappy. I am not in any position to get that way.11:46
pollyojack_deltrino: Nor do I wish to be that way.11:46
jack_deltrinopollyo: I don't think you realize what I was doing. I understand your frustation and I was trying to tell people to just answer your question instead of providing workarounds. I can't be any clearer than that.11:47
cypherdelicOMFG IMHO if you call this what i recently got from your update server, MORE or LESS stable and this will be your FINAL im OFF ubuntu!!11:47
bhotix, yeah, there's been a bug report filed against it and I've tried to remove that applet, what is the package call just to verify that I removed it ?11:47
pollyojack_deltrino: Yes.  Thank you.11:47
jack_deltrinocypherdelic: Threats don't really solves anything.11:47
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AlexC_cypherdelic: leave then.11:47
jack_deltrinosolve even.11:47
cypherdeliccome on11:47
bhCarinArr, it's totally wacked out. it's getting a dhcp response from an interface that doesn't exist11:47
otixbh: I'm trying to find a bug on launchpad.  no luck yet11:47
CarinArrcypherdelic: that wasn't really a constructive way to start a conversation;)11:47
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pollyoI have a few questions.  Can qtparted easily resize ext3 paritions?11:48
cypherdelicCarinArr: Yes im sorry, im having a bad day11:48
CarinArrbh: !pastebin11:48
jack_deltrinopollyo: Yes. That's something I expect you, even if you're new to get flamed for ;)11:48
cypherdelicand lots of annoying bugs11:48
jack_deltrinopollyo: That's on available on Google.11:48
AlexC_cypherdelic: then report them ...11:48
bhCarinArr,  eh ?11:48
pollyojack_deltrino: <grin> Ok11:48
CarinArrbh: sorry.. lazy way of asking to see whatever you get;)11:48
bhpaste it where ?11:49
cypherdelicAlexC_ where? do you wanna listen?11:49
ubotulaunchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/11:49
pollyojack_deltrino: If I had a backup I woulnd't be concerned with getting verification from the community.11:49
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:49
CarinArrcypherdelic: what are the actual problems?11:49
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cypherdelicAlexC_ i need to register, i dont like that ;)11:49
AlexC_cypherdelic: do you like anything today? :P11:49
CarinArrpollyo: how much stuff do you need to back up?11:49
pollyo2. Is there an easy way to delete everything on the partition BUT the home directory?11:49
jack_deltrinopollyo: I don't blame you. Although, if you were using BSD, you'd get in the habit of making tons of partitions.11:50
pollyoCarinArr: 70Gig11:50
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cypherdeliccypherdelic: no my girlfriends going crazy already11:50
CarinArrpollyo: ouch.. and no secondary storage available?11:50
jack_deltrinopollyo: On a qtparted level, as far as I know, no.11:50
jack_deltrinopollyo: The files could be laid out any which way in the filesystem, you never know.11:50
SpAcJust got up and running on Feisty, it's working great so far11:50
cypherdelicCarinArr: the gnome shutdown panel applet doesnt work right for me11:50
pollyoI have the partition mounted now from the liveCD11:50
bhCarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15197/11:50
pollyoI can delete stuff from the terminal.11:50
cypherdelicCarinArr: Beryl is buggy11:51
bhthat's completely out there11:51
jack_deltrinopollyo: However, if you're able to tar all that up and dump to network storage somehow ... or somewhere else because I remember you saying something about network issues... then that's pretty much the only way.11:51
CarinArrcypherdelic: how did you install beryl? and how is it buggy?11:51
CarinArrcan't comment on the gnome stuff, i'm using kubuntu11:51
bhthis touchy networking stuff has been going on for a while and it's getting progressively worse11:51
cypherdelicCarinArr: i installed herd3 and updated through11:51
SpAcmy only concern is, considering the beta was released not that long ago, why is there 342MB worth of updates?11:51
pollyojack_deltrino: I was thinking along the lines of doing some recursive file deleting.11:51
pollyojack_deltrino: To all the directories on the drive.11:51
cypherdelicCarinArr: Beryl through Feisty Repos11:51
pollyojack_deltrino: Not touching the home11:52
pollyojack_deltrino: Then resizing the parition.11:52
pollyojack_deltrino: Then creating a parition for the system and one for home11:52
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cypherdelicCarinArr: The bugs are redrawing problems, tried the options to avoid this issues, they didnt help11:52
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jack_deltrinopollyo: I'm not sure what that would achieve though. The filesystem could start /home/pollyo/file1.txt at the thirteenth sector and the last bit of information could be stored way at the end.11:53
CarinArrcypherdelic: i haven't had any beryl issues at all.. i'm using the beryl-project repositories for my beryl though11:53
cypherdelicCarinArr: OpenGL Apps showing a black screen if there are bigger then somehow 300x300 pixel11:53
jack_deltrinopollyo: /home/pollyo is not going to auto adjust based on how many files and directories it has around it.11:53
cypherdelicCarinArr: I cant find any beryl repositories for feisty11:53
pollyojack_deltrino: After I delete everything else I could tar it11:53
otixpollo: can you get another small disk to use as the new root?  even 10 GB would be enough11:53
cypherdelicCarinArr: They say its in the ubuntu repo11:53
pollyojack_deltrino: Wouldn't that move it all to one file?11:54
jack_deltrinopollyo: Yeah, but you'd have to have /home/pollyo x 2 the amount of space.11:54
jack_deltrinopollyo: If I were you, I'd burn all my data to DVDs.11:54
AlexC_cypherdelic: make sure you have universe repo enabled11:54
CarinArrcypherdelic: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 used that installation using nvidia11:54
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cypherdelicCarinArr: it is already installed11:55
jack_deltrinopollyo: You're not really in a good position and I'm sure you realize that. So when you see any options, no matter how much bitch work it involves, go for them.11:55
cypherdelicwhich to choose11:55
cypherdelicXGL nvidia AIGLX11:55
AlexC_AIGLX for nVidia,11:55
jack_deltrinoAnyway, 3 am, I must go to sleep.11:55
CarinArruhm.. why aiglx?11:55
cypherdeliccurrently im with nvidia (AIGLX) dont know if its now nvidia or either aiglx11:56
jack_deltrinoGoodnight. Hope you get your problems resolved pollyo.11:56
pollyojack_deltrino: You mentioned you generally make many paritions in BSD.11:56
cypherdelicbut listen current state perfororms bad11:56
CarinArri thought aiglx was indirect, and normally used on older cards11:56
pollyoHow do you generally lay out the space on a drive in linux?11:56
AlexC_CarinArr: well you can run XGL on nVidia ... though XGL is more of a hack than a proper Xorg module11:56
AlexC_AIGLX is a proper module built into Xorg,11:56
AlexC_and nVidia supports it ... while ATI/AMD dont, as their drivers suck11:57
CarinArrwhich is described as "accelerated indirect glx"?11:57
cypherdelicbut my VSync performs shitty11:57
otixpollo: On a basic system, you really just need to separate / and /home.  Your task will be hard to accomplish without some extra storage:  bunch of DVDs, external USB hard disk, etc.11:57
cypherdelicCarin what would you take if you were me? nvidia 7600 go 128mb 128bit11:57
CarinArrAlexC_: not disputing what you're saying.. just keep hearing one thing or other11:58
AlexC_cypherdelic: go with AIGLX,11:58
CarinArrcypherdelic: AlexC_ might know more than me, but i have the same graphics card (tho 512mb), and glx works fine for me11:58
cypherdelicAlexC_: im currently with nvidia (aiglx)11:58
cypherdelicit sucks11:58
AlexC_do you have the binary drivers installed?11:58
cypherdelici installed nvidia-glx from repo11:59
cypherdelicand beryl and extra packages from unviersal repo11:59
CarinArrcypherdelic: have you seen the glx-new package? you'll probably want to use that with your graphics card rather than -glx11:59
cypherdelicuhm no?11:59
CarinArrthink it just appeared the other day12:00
AlexC_you could try XGL if you wanted, there is no harm in trying12:00
cypherdelicwhy does nobody ... arghs :D12:00
cypherdelicyou make me happy12:00
pollyoIt seems like there should be an easy way to just have the installation rewrite the base installation files without touching anything else.12:00
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cypherdelicCarinArr: im installing now the new one12:01
CarinArrpollyo: problem is most people use a different partition for their /home12:01
pollyoIts not the life file system has trouble.12:01
CarinArrso it's not really seen as "needed"12:01
cypherdelicCarinArr: do i have to change anything else? xorg.conf?12:01
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CarinArrcypherdelic: if they were configured properly before i don't think so, you might want to make sure you remove the nvidia-glx package completely before you install the new one though12:02
otixpollyo: you should still split out /home so you don't have these issues in the future.12:02
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CarinArrnot sure if it's an issue now but nvidia conflicts between different drivers are exteremely annoying12:02
AlexC_shall I get Beta, or latest daily? I really want RC but it's not out yet :P cant wait any longer12:02
pollyoCarinArr: If I did an apt-get update and had the system simply download the packages couldnt I have it write the packages to the hard drive and reboot fromt he drive and force the installation of the packages from a specific directory?12:03
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pollyootix:  Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. <grin>12:03
CarinArrpollyo: eerrr. that just confused me i'm afraid12:03
CarinArrpollyo: if you go back to the start, what is the actual problem with your system>12:04
otixpollyo:  I just don't want to see your /home data get clobbered12:04
AlexC_pollyo: why not just backup?12:04
CarinArrAlexC_: ack.. heh.. he has 70 gig of data and only one harddrive with one partition12:04
pollyoCarinArr: I screwed up my video drivers and my network drivers.  I also somehow went from generic, to latency , to i38612:05
CarinArrpollyo: the video drivers shouldn't be a problem12:05
AlexC_pollyo: buy another cheap hard drive? you can get 360gb drives for 50 these days!12:05
CarinArrpollyo: and hwen you boot up do you get a choice of all those kernels? cause you can have several kernels installed in parallel without it being aproblem12:06
pollyoAlexC_: I have been putting off the purchase of a newdrive.12:06
pollyoCarinArr: Yes.12:06
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billygreetings feisty fans.12:06
CarinArrpollyo: are you currently booted into any of them?12:06
pollyoCarinArr: Though I was reading something about the installation of the restricted driver and how they could mess up the system if you mix them with the wrong version of the kernel.12:07
pollyoCarinArr: I'm on the LiveCD12:07
pollyoCarinArr: Do they each have the same startup information?12:07
CarinArrpollyo: okay, what happens if you boot into the -generic (assuming that was the one installed by default)12:07
pollyoCarinArr: I tried one of them and I do not get video.12:08
CarinArrpollyo: what graphics card ar eyou using?12:08
pollyoCarinArr: I think I deleted the restricted drivers. (they must also include some network stuff)12:08
pollyoCarinArr: nvidia tnt212:09
CarinArrand when you say you get no video do you mean that it gives you an error message or does it just not start12:09
CarinArri.e. does it try to start the x server at all and it crashes, or does it not even attempt it12:09
CarinArrwe might be able to fix it without a complete reinstall12:09
pollyoCarinArr: I believe it attempts it.12:10
pollyoCarinArr: If I could at least get the network working again.12:11
pollyoCarinArr: Do you know if the restricted drivers have network drivers in the package?12:11
pollyoCarinArr: I have wireless network on the computer12:11
CarinArrokay.. then if you could do this: reboot into your -generic, if the gui crashes, when you're back in a terminal, try "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and comment out the Load "glx" line, and change the line that says Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"12:11
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CarinArrthat has nothing to do with your network, but should let you get back into a gui which will make working on the network easier for you12:12
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SpAcMy other drives used to appear as icons on the desktop. Just did a fresh feisty install and they are not there. They do appear under /media/ though12:12
SebSebSebCan  I  upgrade  from  Dapper to  Feisty  Fawn  straight  away  when it has been released,  without having  to do  Edgy  first?12:12
pollyoCarinArr: I think I removed nv dirvers.12:13
billySebSebSeb: no.  you have to go through them.12:13
billythrough Edgy, that is.12:13
CarinArrpollyo: will you try it?12:13
pollyoCarinArr: Sure.12:13
CarinArras far as i know the nv drivers aren't that easy to remove, whereas the nvidia ones are12:13
pollyoCarinArr: What is the package name for the nv drivers though?12:14
SebSebSebwell  I  will  be installing on another guys  comp  when it's out you see probably,  and already  got offical  Dapper  CDs.12:14
SebSebSebso  I thought either install that and upgrade that,  or  download a  Feisty  CD12:14
SebSebSebI  just  read it's  meant to be coming out on the 19th?  any chance of the  17th?  or 18th?12:15
CarinArrpollyo: i think they're part of xorg, but i'm not sure, let's not worry about them yet;)12:15
SpAcis there somewhere i have to go to get my other hdd's to appear on the desktop?12:15
billySebSebSeb: "the week of" the 19th.12:15
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic12:16
pollyoCarinArr: Ok12:16
SebSebSebbilly:  so it  could  come  out before the 19th?12:16
billySebSebSeb: possibly, but typically when language like that is used, it's to give the developers as much time as possible, so I'd expect it that Satuday.12:16
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)12:17
SebSebSebI  see12:17
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billySebSebSeb: they say that a clean install is always the best, but I don't know.  My edgy upgrade has been pretty seemless, except for a couple of bumps.12:18
pollyoCarinArr: Ok.  I'm going to give it a try.12:18
pollyoBe back in a few.12:18
SebSebSebwell  it's  not even  on his comp  yet.  Ubuntu.  so  either  install and upgrade  Dapper  or download  a Feisty  ISO  and  install that12:18
SebSebSebwell I assume the offical  CD's  forFeisty will be a while12:19
SebSebSeband  then the time it takes to come as well12:19
billySebSebSeb: I take it this person has limited/no/slow internet access?12:20
CarinArrSebSebSeb: i'd probably download Feisty Beta, it's going to be very easy to upgrade that to full feisty, whereas upgrading Dapper to Feisty can cause all sorts of problems12:20
SebSebSebyeah  I was  thinking  the same  download  Fesity Beta  and install that,  or just  wait for the offical  relase,  then  come  back  and put it on.  if he truely is ready  to go Ubuntu.  I left  him  Dapper  Ubuntu  and Kubuntu  Live CD12:20
SebSebSeb's  yesterday to  play with and that12:21
SebSebSeband  nope he has broadband12:21
billySebSebSeb: then check out the nightly builds and just upgrade from there.  That's easy enough.12:21
ubotuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/12:22
billySebSebSeb: only alternates available though.12:22
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SebSebSebas  for me my  old  PC  that I was running  Ubuntu  Edgy  on  has screwed up again.  old  thing 128MB  RAM  noissy.  no  3D  stuff for me  on that PC.  anyway  it's  time for me to  get  a new one really.  want  something  that will  run  Beryl  in Fesity  :)  and  so on.  uhmmmmmm   even  Vista  hummmmmmm   with  3D  stuff and what not.  yeah Ultimate or Home Premium.  yes  Vista  yuck. ...12:23
SebSebSeb...well  I want to help  people with there comps you see and get paid for,  and  a load of  people  will be going  Vista.  so  might as well get used to it now.  and yes  I know  it's rather buggy at  the moment12:23
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SebSebSebyes  and new  PC  want to be able to  run 3D  games and so on,  but  that's  pretty much  standard I guess now,  PC's  that  can  run 3D  games12:24
SebSebSebany advice?12:24
SebSebSeband  I am in UK12:24
CarinArrSebSebSeb: i doubt feisty release will be much different from current feisty, not really enough time for major rehauls i wouldn't think12:25
SebSebSebyes  I know  beta and the offical  relase will be similar12:25
billySebSebSeb: from what I understand, Beryl runs fine for folks with like ten dollar nvidia cards.  you don't have to have a souped up comp to run Beryl.12:25
CarinArrSebSebSeb: anything remotely decent is fine.. but i'd get an nvidia card, for linux support.. and probably a 6000 series or higher, they're pretty cheap now12:26
SebSebSebdon't really  know that much  about hardware,  so  6000  series?12:26
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CarinArrwell nvidia geforce cards have model numbers like 5500, 5700, 6600, 6800, 7600 etc12:27
CarinArranything above 6000 should be more than enough12:27
SebSebSeboh  right I see the card itself12:27
CarinArri'm still using a 5500 on he desktop which works fine, but if i bought a new machine now i'd get a slightly higher specced one12:27
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SebSebSebBeryl  ok,  but  what  about  Vista,  and 3D  games, I assume so?  with a decant enough new graphics card12:28
CarinArrmost desktops spec what video card they have, so it's someting to keep an eye open for12:28
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SebSebSebsame  here really12:28
CarinArrcame preinstalled on my laptop;)12:28
SebSebSeblike I said above12:28
billyVista talk is in #crapola.12:28
CarinArryeah i know.. problem is vista is pretty damn heavy12:28
SebSebSeblol  really  a crapola channel?12:29
billySebSebSeb: yeah man.  they were asking about you. :)12:29
CarinArrbut yeah, i think a 6000+ nvidia card should manage nvidia12:29
CarinArrer vista12:29
zeroflagcould someone take a look at this script, whether it makes sense or could be useful? http://pastebin.ca/436093 (installs newest NVIDIA drivers)12:29
DarkMageZthere's nothing wrong with vista cept how they messed up minesweeper...12:29
SebSebSeband  the card  does all the 3D  stuff anyway?12:29
SebSebSebwhat  about  RAM?  and  harddisks are like 160GB or so now?12:30
billyDarkMageZ: yeah.  i was pretty mad about that too.12:30
CarinArrSebSebSeb: dell machines are pretty good for the price in the uk, and they allow you to choose nvidia cards and tell you whether stuff will run vista, so i'd probaby go dell12:30
billySebSebSeb: go with DDR2 ram, a Gig of it if you can.12:30
SebSebSebDell well they  are going to start pre installing Linux  :)  it seems12:30
SebSebSebsince  they want to become number one PC  seller again12:30
SebSebSebHP  took 1st  place12:30
CarinArrSebSebSeb: however, if you go with dell, don't overspend on ram/harddrive as you can easily extend it a LOT cheaper than dell will sell that to you12:30
billySebSebSeb: I didn't know jack about hardware two months ago, and I built my own computer from shell up.12:31
SebSebSebwell I got two 40GB's  or so hard disks in the screwed up PC  that seem to work  fine still12:31
billySebSebSeb: it's not hard at all.12:31
CarinArrgo for a decent cpu, and a decent graphics card, then plug in extra ram and harddrive separately, makes much more sense12:31
SebSebSebwell  my  Dad knows quite a bit about hardware,  he should teach me really12:31
zeroflagnoone interested? :/12:31
SebSebSebyou  mean make a PC?12:32
zeroflagam I the only one who's too stupid to make nvidia work with packages? :P12:32
SebSebSebwhat's a decant prosser/cpu  for  Feisty and Visduh?12:32
CarinArrSebSebSeb: yeah anything over 6000 should be fine for 3d stuff, unless you're really hardcore and demand more speed.. it might be worth going with 256mb graphics memory at least though12:33
billySebSebSeb:  Intel Core Duo.12:33
void^zeroflag: i suggest autodetecting gdm/kdm for convenience ;)12:33
zeroflagcore2duo are monsters and expensive, little athlon or semperon does the trick just fine.12:33
zeroflagvoid^: no idea how to do that properly.12:33
CarinArrcore 2 duos aren't that pricey now12:33
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zeroflagwell, my 3600+X2 EE was 60 euro, core2duo is above 100euro and that's "pricey" in my book.12:34
SebSebSeba  her hummmmmmm,  not  many  hers  in Ubuntu channel  normally I guess?12:34
zeroflagDAMN it!12:34
zeroflaggotta fly.12:34
zeroflagtoo late already,.12:34
billyyeah, the core duo's are dropping now that the quad core and hexa cores are out and spreading.12:34
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void^zeroflag: something dirty but probably reliable might be like ps aux | grep kdm | grep -v grep && if [ "$?" -eq "0" ]  ; then wm=kdm ; fi12:35
CarinArrSebSebSeb: you could probably spec http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_e520?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1 up to what you want without spending too much money12:35
CarinArrbut i'd really go nvidia if you're going to run ubuntu on it12:38
SebSebSebHome  Premium or  Vista  hummmmmmm12:38
SebSebSebyeah  Nividia  they say has best Linux  suppourt12:38
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CarinArri know people get ati working, but the number of people complaining about it being fiddly and annoying12:38
CarinArrgoing shopping12:40
kal_where can we get desktop version of 20070411 cd build ?12:40
kal_for testing RC ;)12:40
kal_here is just the alternate version12:41
kal_ok i got it12:42
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billykal_: i don't think they made LiveCD daily's.12:43
kal_yes they did, check the link ;)12:43
crdlbthey just did recently leading up to the rc12:44
kal_im currently downloading it12:44
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billyAll I see is the alternate.  I must be blind.12:44
kal_crdlb: did you notice any bugs ?12:44
crdlbworks great12:44
kal_billy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070411/12:44
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billykal_: cool.  thanks for the link.  :)12:45
crdlbI did a fresh install over dapper12:45
kal_crdlb: im having a problem with the alternate build of one week ago. When I launch apps from gnome panel, it is pretty slow. But i when i launch them from gnome-menu, its perfect12:45
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crdlbkal_, you mean it takes a while for them to open?12:46
kal_i saw that there was a bug with libx11 but i made all the latest updates so... maybe a specific problem to my hardware12:46
kal_it takes 5 seconds12:46
billyis there a way I can log into certain rooms automatically using XChat-Gnome?12:46
kal_whereas when i launch them from gnome menu it takes 1 second12:46
crdlbI'm not seeing that12:46
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kal_billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...12:47
crdlbbilly, I think so, but why not just use xchat?12:47
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kal_ah he's using xchat-gnome12:47
kal_use xchat :>12:47
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billycrdlb: I don't know why.  No reason.12:48
GambaroniHow do I show the apt error in another language?12:48
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billyok.  what was that again?12:49
kal_<kal_> billy: xchat menu, server list, edit freenode, add your channels...12:49
crdlbGambaroni, try: LANG=C sudo apt-get whatever12:50
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kal_crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will show error in default language : english12:51
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Gambaronicrdlb thenwhat is it for english?12:51
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kal_maybe he sould use LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 if he's french, or something like that...12:51
crdlbI think LANG=C always gives you english12:52
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billycrdlb, separated by commas?12:52
crdlbbilly, in xchat yes12:52
kal_yes crdlb12:52
kal_* crdlb (n=crdlb@pool-70-104-182-161.norf.east.verizon.net) a quitt #ubuntu+1 ("Ex-Chat")12:52
kal_<kal_> crdlb: i think that using C as value for LANG will s12:52
kal_how error in english*12:52
billycrdlb, cool.  thX12:52
Aldante_FaxQuestion: Is there a way to automatically mount volumes at startup?12:53
crdlbbilly, no spaces though12:53
jussi01Aldante_Fax, fstab12:53
billycrdlb, good looking out.12:53
kal_i'm wondering if there will have any change in RC live CD from 20070411 live CD...12:54
crdlbthat is the RC I think12:54
spikebit's the RC for the RC12:54
kal_lol spikeb12:55
billyso if I created a separate /home partition, I'd have all of my program configurations, I'd just have to redownload the program themselves, right?12:55
spikebthat's the theory, but it doesn't always work that way.12:56
billyspikeb, any way to get the chances better?12:56
kal_if you install a more recent version of the program, then maybe the configuration syntax has changed and there will be some problems12:56
kal_that's why i just keep my real personnal data but delete program configurations12:57
kal_if i format12:57
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AlexC_RC out yet? :P12:59
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kal_nop AlexC_01:00
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AlexC_how about now?01:01
crazy_busIts not much of a problem but its still annoying.  When I move kaffeine while playing a video theres blue coloured when the screen used to be which disappears after a second.  This happened with edgy using the open source nv drivers but dissapered when I install the nvidia binaries.  However in feisty when I installed the binaries I still have the problem.  When is this?  Is it because I have composite enabled?01:01
Gambaronicrdlb the package netkit-inetd has no installation candidate01:03
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about daily-live - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:03
crdlb!info netkit-inetd feisty01:04
ubotunetkit-inetd: The Internet Superserver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-10.3ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 152 kB01:04
Gambaronicrdlb huh?01:04
crdlbGambaroni, it seems it's in universe01:05
crdlbyou should have it, try an apt-get update01:05
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pollyoCarinArr: Hello01:05
pollyoCarinArr: I have the vesa driver working.01:06
pollyoCarinArr: Still no wireless network but moved the computer into another room and have a wired connection.01:06
pollyoCarinArr: Thank you for the help.01:06
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rj_ieee80211 dosnt work on feisty01:08
voidmagelol gutsy gibbon01:08
AlexC_I read it as Gusty Gibbon to start with ... only just found out it GuTsy Gibbon01:09
jim__OK was anyone watching a while ago when I was having the conversation about NetworkManager?01:11
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os2macwell for the record ... it's simply a matter of backing up your interfaces file and letting networkmanager rebuild it for you.01:12
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otix os2mac: are you talking about the bug in yesterday's update?01:13
os2macyes. the bug that caused the display problem01:14
os2mac https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/10523401:14
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] 01:14
matthew_Is the RC out?01:14
matthew_Topic says it needs testing... I'd love to, but can't find it...01:15
os2macotix: did you get that?01:15
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otixos2mac: ok, I found an older bug where people are also reporting the same thing01:16
ubotuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/01:17
os2macmatthew: do they have dist upgrade repositories for RC yet?01:17
Gambaronicrdlb i'm not running feisty..01:18
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matthew_Surely the RC is the latest development release, and therefore the only repositories are the main ones?01:19
matthew_I wish there was a LiveCD version01:19
os2macwell, I have been updating the fiesty version Herd 5 but I saw no dist upgrade notification in adept when I update a bit ago.01:20
mon^rchthe desktop cd isn't a live cd?01:20
os2macso either I have the package updated RC or their are no changes in what I loaded and the RC.01:21
crdlbGambaroni, it's in edgy too, but why are you in #ubuntu+1 then ?01:21
otix os2mac: I tried that with /etc/network/interfaces -- no change01:21
matthew_mon^rch: Yes, it is01:21
os2macmon^rch: they are usually compiled as both a live and install CD are they not?01:21
matthew_There is no desktop CD for the daily release it seems, though01:22
os2macotix. did you stop and start networkmanager first?01:22
billymatthew_, i thought the same thing.  they're out there.01:22
crdlbmatthew_, there have been the last couple of days01:22
os2macotix stop networkmanager, mv your interfaces file to a .bk file restart networkmanager.01:22
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matthew_Ahaaaa, thanks billy!01:23
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os2macotix: and if your using Knetworkmanager (like I am) you will have to stop and start that as well.01:23
billymatthew_, don't thank me.  I was given that link like five minutes ago!  :)01:23
billyso exactly *why* is a clean install better than upgrading?01:24
otix os2mac: trying that.  using kill & just starting it from the shell.  is there an rc file for this?01:24
matthew_I think I may install today's build01:24
matthew_It's changed, according to the MD5 at least01:24
os2macno, not that I am aware of.01:24
pollyootix: I might have been over reacting earlier.01:24
otixpollyo: np.  it01:25
os2macgotta run.. work time.01:25
otixpollyo: it's just good practice to keep you system & data separate so you can just set the data aside while doing risky system work01:26
pollyootix: I'll be doing that soon.01:26
pollyootix: I've been planning on getting another drive for the computer.01:26
pollyootix: I should be able to easily make the other drive my home directory and leave this drive all for the system.01:27
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otixpollyo: you could even get a small one and use that for root.01:27
Aldante_FaxSo uh, I am having difficulty enabling read/write for NTFS drives - it's giving me an error that I cannot change permissions01:27
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pollyootix: How does that work?  What is considered part of the root?01:27
pollyootix: Would that simply be what you need to boot up?01:28
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otixpollyo:  from the shell, run 'df'.  each of those is a filesystem.  you want to break /home into a separate filesystem and mount it.  there is a doc on this somewhere, maybe in the wiki01:28
pollyootix: Ok.. What would I look for?  filesystem?01:29
otixpollyo:  I gotta crash.  Search the ubuntu docs for something like 'separate home filesystem'.  Read man pages for mount & fstab.01:31
pollyootix: Will do.  Thanks for the suggestion!01:31
otixpollyo:  those man pages won't make a lot of sense at first - just work toward understanding them01:31
pollyootix: I have a good idea about mount and fstab.01:31
pollyootix: Just not how they suggest you break up the files.01:31
pollyootix: In different areas.01:31
pollyootix: Get some rest. <Grin>  Thanks for the information.01:32
otixpollyo:  home it goes well for you.  'nite.01:32
pollyootix: Thank you.01:32
billypollyo:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome ..  I don't think that's been tested on Feisty though.01:33
otixthe concept has been standard unix practice for decades, though01:33
billyjust a disclaimer.  :)01:33
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billyi was a lawyer in a former life.01:34
otixpollyo:  just don't do the gparted & format stuff on your good data01:34
pollyootix: Ok.01:35
pollyootix: nite01:35
matthew_1h22m before the ISO finishes downloading01:39
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billymatthew_, yeah, it's best to do the downloading at around 3 am.  :)01:39
billy3am, central time USA, that is.01:39
matthew_I didn't know it was released, or I could have :|01:39
Gambaronicrdlb this is a nice channel.. I'm using Debian..01:40
matthew_I'm in the UK, things are fastest in the early morning, when the USA is asleep :)01:40
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Gambaronicrdlb it's the same packagesystem.. so I thought you would know ;)01:40
crdlbbut entirely different repos :)01:40
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Gambaronicrdlb yea.. it says: "You should explicity select one to install" that means?01:42
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crdlbGambaroni, I have no idea01:44
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Gambaronicrdlb ok.01:46
ubotuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/01:46
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ant_ipopwhere do i find the daily iso of kubuntu ??01:55
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kristjansiimsonany1 here?01:56
kristjansiimsoncan someone help me find where to make extended partitions in feisty installer?01:57
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Hobbsee!daily | ant_ipop01:58
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ubotuant_ipop: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/01:58
Hobbseeant_ipop: test the rc - see the /topic01:59
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ant_ipopyay, thats what im gonna do now02:02
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kristjansiimsoncan i do extended partitions on feisty?02:03
ant_ipophttps://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/  <-- this is down ??02:04
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kristjansiimsonwith the feisty installer02:04
AlexC_shall I just download Beta or latest daily .... I cant wait anylonger for the RC!02:04
ant_ipopuse 07042007041202:05
crazy_busFor some reason a mp3 I'm trying to play in amarok sounds quite crackly while the same file in beep isn't.  Why is this?02:05
AlexC_daily-live yeah?02:05
kristjansiimsonextended partitions with feisty installer??02:06
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arejayanyone got time to help me with using module-assistant to buld iee80211-source fails in feisty02:07
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AlexC_which daily live would you reccomend?02:10
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HobbseeAlexC_: see the topic02:14
AlexC_Hobbsee: that is the candidate for the release candidate correct?02:14
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HobbseeAlexC_: yes, i think they had to respin02:15
AlexC_what does re-spin mean?02:15
HobbseeAlexC_: [22:08]  <heno> ant_ipop: you can get advice in #ubuntu-iso and from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community02:16
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mon^rchI dont cere for beryl, I think :(02:18
PyroMessiahSure are a ton of updates the last three days02:18
PyroMessiahBeryl rocks!  I love the burn effect02:19
finalbetaLols, the azureus delivered in Feisty is already banned on some sites. Repositories are outdated even before they release.02:19
finalbetaTracker not allowing the version to connect... Banned.02:20
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AlexC_why would they ban Azureus?02:21
PyroMessiahBecause it sucks?02:22
finalbetaMost unix clients are banned on private trackers because they don't follow guidelines, ktorrent etc.02:22
PyroMessiahI dumped it and installed Deluge,  MUCH better02:22
lupine_85so use ktorrent :)02:22
finalbetaDeluge etc02:22
AlexC_yeah I'm going to use Deluge on feisty02:22
finalbetaThey can download, but not much more, report incorrect stats.02:22
Kaplan_when beryl opens in feisty the spalsh logo show the version 0.2.0 RC3, i see people sayng that the latest version in feisty is 0.2102:22
Kaplan_what is going on here?02:23
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PyroMessiahAzureus would dl half the torrent then give me a "disk write error"...completely retarded....no such problems with Deluge02:23
balster_nebI'm about to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty right now. I want to confirm: Do the instructions given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades under the section "Ubuntu beta upgrade" still apply?02:24
thoreauputicfinalbeta: *cough* I don't think unix bt clinets misrepresent stats02:25
thoreauputicclinets - I can't type02:25
thoreauputicbah :)02:25
AlexC_clients :P02:25
thoreauputicAlexC_: yes, thanks :)02:26
finalbetathoreauputic: No, it's more like not properly reporting them.02:26
finalbetaIt's like not telling a lie, but just not telling the truth.02:26
thoreauputicfinalbeta: in what way? Most linux/unix apps are extremely standards-compliant02:26
finalbetaYou know, like politicians do. :)02:26
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finalbetathoreauputic: http://paste-it.net/1885 A basic list of problems02:28
finalbetaKTorrent A BitTorrent program for KDE. Has problems with reporting bad stats to the tracker and not identifying itself correctly.02:29
thoreauputicfinalbeta: interesting - I'll have a look02:29
balster_neboh well, update-manager -d seems to tell me that 7.04 is available02:29
balster_nebI guess I'll go ahead and upgrade02:29
shirishguys has anybody heard about the RC, it is supposed to be released today, right?02:30
thoreauputicfinalbeta: I think whoever came up with that list has a bad case of obsessive-compulsive disorder ;p02:31
AlexC_it is indeed,02:31
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Kaplan_what do you mean by RC??02:31
AlexC_Release Candaidate,02:31
Kaplan_there will be new updates then02:31
cypherdeliccypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock02:31
cypherdelicbash: /usr/local/bin/nvclock: cannot execute binary file02:31
cypherdeliccypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ nvclock_gtk02:31
cypherdelic*** stack smashing detected ***: nvclock_gtk terminated02:31
cypherdelicAborted (core dumped)02:31
Kaplan_for us already using feisty02:32
AlexC_thoreauputic: I'm downloading the latest daily  ... I can't wait any longer02:32
balster_neboh, any idea if  update-manager -d will use the repository mirror I have currenty set for Edgy, or will it default to something else?02:32
Kaplan_if you use -d it will automaticly chnage you sources list to fesity02:32
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cypherdelici tried to compile by source first02:33
balster_nebcool, thanks, Kaplan_02:33
Kaplan_if you get any arrors just report02:33
cypherdelicthat folder contains files compiled on 64bit mashine02:33
Kaplan_wee will help you02:33
cypherdelicmake same nothing to do for target02:33
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balster_nebyes, I'll do that02:34
balster_nebthis is the first time I'm not upgrading via fresh install02:34
Kaplan_look at this page if you are upgrading02:34
Kaplan_i upgraded with -d too02:35
Kaplan_no great problems here02:35
balster_nebyes, I had a look at that page02:35
Kaplan_just a litlle configuration02:35
shirishAlexC_: I was just asking if u guys had had heard any announcements02:35
Kaplan_with nvidia and stuff02:35
Kaplan_nothing much02:36
AlexC_shirish: there is Release Candidate Candidate ... basically test images for the RC .. you could try those?02:36
balster_nebyep, the fesity forum does seem to have lots of nvidia related issues02:36
Kaplan_i had nvidia installed via envy on edgy02:37
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balster_nebI'm hoping that now that it's almost RC there won't be too many other problems02:37
Kaplan_on feisty the restricted modules install nvidia driver auto02:37
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Kaplan_i just had to edit the restricted to not use "nv"02:37
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balster_nebah, my nvidia drivers right now are from the standard edgy repos02:37
cypherdeliccypherdelic@cypherdelic-desktop:~$ /usr/bin/nvclock -i02:40
cypherdelic*** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/nvclock terminated02:40
cypherdelicAborted (core dumped)02:40
cypherdelicim with 977502:40
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balster_nebwoops MD5 mismatch in my mirror while using update-manager -d02:50
balster_nebI guess I'll try again in a while02:51
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shirishwhat is known as the procedure before the login screen & after clicking the kernel which one wants02:52
balster_nebhmm, archive update in progress at my mirror02:54
Hidanshirish: yo there.02:55
shirishhi Hidan :)02:55
Hidanshirish: watcha up to, man? :D02:55
shirishHidan: trying to figure out why i dont get that graphical thing right after choosing the kernel, till the login part02:56
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SlimeyPeteyou mean ubuntu-splash?02:56
ruffei have problem booting ubuntu 7.0402:57
shirishSlimeyPete: right, not getting the ubuntu-splash02:57
SlimeyPeteruffe: what's going wrong, exactly?02:57
Hidanshirish: huh... Feisty's good but... I hope that the final version will be decent to use. :p some of these bugs are definitely breaking the o/s.02:57
ruffecan't assably md002:58
shirishHidan: it could be that, or it could be because I made some changes to GRUB02:58
SlimeyPeteruffe: is that all it says?02:58
shirishHidan: I changed the resolutions so that my virtual terminals can give 1024*768 otherwise they were giving 640*48002:59
shirishHidan: The other thing is the 1.9.93 experimental driver I am using, do not know if either is to  be blamed or not.02:59
ruffeSlimeyPete, /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off02:59
shirishHidan: Although have never got the ubuntu-usplash thing, whereas I am able to get the gnome/metacity usplash03:00
Hidanshirish: yikes... experimental huh... oh btw, i'd been having a couple of freezes on the system. Around 5 to 6 times when Kernel wouldn't respond... So I actually uninstalled one of the ATI drivers, stopped using Mozilla firefox, and things seem fine so far.03:00
HidanShirish: hope your issues get resolved too. :D03:00
SlimeyPeteruffe: I assume you've installed Ubuntu onto a RAID array of some sort?03:01
Hidanshirish: oops that ought to be swiftfox and all browsers made of mozilla builds.03:01
ruffemd0 / raid103:01
shirishHidan: one of the developers, bug squashers I was talking to the other day, said he was fine with the 1.9.93 driver for over a month now.03:01
shirishHidan: I did try the 915 resolution driver before that but it did not have any effect.03:02
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Hidanshirish: yeah but that's his computer... different configurations, different results.03:02
shootersduring the upgrade to feisty: "could not install base-files" , "package base-files is already installed and configured"03:02
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shirishHidan: Of course, true03:02
Hidanshirish: Yeah... hmmm... why not uninstall that driver then? see if you can get into recovery mode and uhm run a couple of commands from there?03:02
shirishHidan: If I uninstall the driver, then i get back to 640*480, right now I am in rich, comfortable 1024*76803:03
ruffeSlimeyPete, mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md003:03
shirishHidan: which effectively kills my desktop experience03:04
Hidanshirish: oh no, i mean... uninstalling that driver to see if it's the driver or something else.03:04
shirishHidan: ok do u know how I can go about doing that without breaking my system?03:04
shirishHidan: and then getting back the driver if it does not work03:05
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Hidanshirish: no idea, sorry... that's what I did for Winxp, anyways. :( I'm a newbie in Ubuntu and wished I knew more. =/03:05
AlexC_Hidan: if your new to Ubuntu I highly suggest waiting until Feisty is released,03:06
shirishsame here, anyway thanx for advice, for XP I never had issues atleast with resolution, but then that is all a different ball game03:06
Hidanalexc_ : you joking? I'm now running feisty and not too many issues.03:06
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AlexC_no I'm not joking, Feisty will and can break - so it's advise not to use it as a 'normal' install ... but if it's working then great,03:06
Hidanalex_c : yeah i know what you mean. :P03:07
jhaigIs the Feisty release still on track for 19th?03:07
AlexC_think so!03:07
ConstyXIVis there a boot command or something to make ubuntu pass up a bad block of ram?03:07
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AlexC_always feels like your missing something03:07
Hidanalex_c : however, don't worry, I've been learning since how to file and look up bug reports, as well as installing various stuff, and running gksudo/sudo commands, etc. :)03:07
Hidanalex_c : I'm barely past 2 weeks on Linux btw.03:08
AlexC_what is it with people refusing to call me AlexC_ :P03:08
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AlexC_at least your learning and getting use to it, just back up important data03:09
Hidanalexc_ : uhm 'cos of the underscore position? :P03:09
Hidanalexc_ don't worry, all of my important data are on other partitions03:09
AlexC_nah I get called all sorts, Alex, Axel, Alex-c Alex, ... never AlexC_ lol03:09
Hidanalexc_ : lol am i one of the very few then? :P)03:10
AlexC_I've had to set up a load of trigger words so it comes up as highlighted, espically since I help a lot in #ubuntu03:10
AlexC_kinda hard to keep track unless they don't say the name in the setence03:10
shirishdo not know why but network is pretty pretty slow right now03:10
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Hidanalexc_ : lol ahahaha poor sod... :P03:10
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jhaigAlexC_: More people should know about tab-completion in Gaim (and most other irc clients, I think)03:11
Hidanalexc_ : but you knwo something? ever since i loaded in ubuntu, i've NOT even spent more than 15 mins in WinXP lol...03:11
AlexC_yep, every client I have used has teab-completition03:11
Hidanalexc_ : everytime i boot into WinXP that is03:11
eagles0513875i have a question for some reason on my desktop im trying to do a duel boot03:11
eagles0513875when i boot to the live cd all i get from the x is just lines showing up03:11
Hidanalexc_ got kinda fed up with all the malware and viagra ads03:11
shirishanybody else getting slow network speeds after updates?03:12
AlexC_Hidan: at least you'll still get the viagra emails to remind you of our XP days03:12
eagles0513875ive tried to restart the x and it still doesnt work03:12
Hidanalexc_ no thank you, man...03:12
Hidanalexc_ : /me looks between her legs, last time i checked i was still ahem "female" :D03:12
Hidanhuh? mmm eagles, what? :P03:13
jhaigAlexC_: Sadly, you don't need to use XP to get those adverts.  It is, however, generally XP machines that are sending them out.03:13
Hidaneagles: can't help you on your issue, sorry i'm just too new to ubuntu. :P03:13
Hidanjhaig: yeah i can't get enough of those "wanna increase your prowress?" "Be more of a man!"03:14
jhaigeagles0513875: Can you get a text console? With - [Ctrl] +[Alt] +[F1] 03:15
HidanMe: "No thanks. I don't need anymore male hormones in my body" (since everyone has a combo of male + female hormones anyways)03:15
eagles0513875have not tried03:15
eagles0513875im not near my desktop atm03:15
Hidaneagles: ooh then write it down and  go home and try it :)03:15
eagles0513875the monitor i have hooked up to it is a sceptre monitor and the video card is an evga 6600gt03:15
eagles0513875Hidan: or email it to myself lol03:15
jhaigDoes it not work every time you boot up the live CD?03:15
eagles0513875i tried it with 64bit version of feisty and even with edgy03:16
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jhaigSounds like a graphics driver problem.  Do you have an unusual graphics card?03:16
Hidaneagles: yeah good idea...03:16
AlexC_daily liveCD downloaded :P burning03:16
Hidanalexc_ mmm... just curious. why do you get the daily livecd instead of installing the updates?03:17
eagles0513875jhaig: its an evga pcie 6600gt with 128mb03:17
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AlexC_Hidan: I'm currently not running Feisty03:18
AlexC_and want to do a fresh install, instead of update03:18
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Hidanalexc_ : yeah, good idea03:19
AlexC_hum, though I can't burn CD .... Gnomes CD creator has decided not to work! I just used to to make a backup cd lol03:20
Hidanalexc_ : ubuntu or maybe linux in general still isn't good enough to do a smooth upgrade without too many kinks.03:20
Hidanalexc_ : uhmmm try k3b03:20
AlexC_I've never done one, so I can't say ... I always do fresh install03:20
shirishI tried once, it did but my sound was gone, think it was from dapper to edgy03:20
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Hidanalexc_ : best not to upgrade, i've heard it's a "count your chances" kinda method.03:21
AlexC_I normally don't mix KDE and Gnome ... hell to it :P formatted drive anyway in a few mins03:21
eagles0513875isnt kde better developed03:21
jhaigeagles0513875: Don't know, sorry.03:21
shirishlol, good for you :P the no. of times my HDD had to take beating03:21
Hidanshirish: take a beating from what?03:21
jhaigeagles0513875: (That was a reply to your previous question regarding X)03:21
eagles0513875should i go in and set it myself03:22
eagles0513875or reconfig x03:22
shirishHidan: /me formatting the HDD so many times03:26
shirisheagles0513875: depends on what u call better developed, KDE uses QT which many people have issues with03:26
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Hidanshirish: heh .... think one of my partition's already getting very noisy. XP killed it.03:26
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eagles0513875interesting i have more problems with gnome than kde03:26
shirishHidan: what can I say03:26
YNWAhi can anyone help with manually installing Feisty?03:26
Hidanshirish: yeah but hopefully it's getting noisy but not dying.03:26
shirisheagles0513875: its essentially a work in progress, but much better than what we previously had03:26
Hidanshirish: 'cos i know hard disks can last quite a while, even if they're staggering on their last legs.03:26
shirishYNWA: are u using an alternate install CD?03:26
shirishHidan: true03:26
YNWALive CD?03:26
AlexC_wtf, CD record has no permission to open the device - trying to burn Feisyt CD with Edgy K3b ....03:26
eagles0513875thats kool03:26
eagles0513875i got into this whole linux deal back with suse 9.003:26
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shirishYNWA: ok hang on, I have put up a post how to install, at a forum, although it has instructions for using the alternate CD but if u read it, and look at the links given you should be able to ride on without issues03:27
ritcerealso i compiled my kernel last night, and now every time i boot i get an error: 18 selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios on all of the kernels except my recovery deals -- any idea's on how to fix this?03:27
shirishYNWA: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/installing-ubuntu-feisty-7-04-through-89192.html#post570913 please go through, it is slightly lengthy03:27
YNWAI'm only having trouble with the partitioning bit... :(03:28
shirishYNWA: ok cool, so what is the issue there?03:28
Hidanshirish: man, talking about hard disks... i remember my good old HP Pavilion 8215 ... it lasted for a good 10 years before it died out a few years ago.03:29
Hidanshirish: I even ran Photoshop CS on it. xD03:29
YNWAwell, I get to prepare partitions, and I don't kinda know what to do from there on cos I don't want to screw up my hard drive03:29
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CarinArrHidan: that sounds painful03:29
shirishHidan: cool03:29
Hidancarinarr: yeah it's painful but awesome lol03:29
Hidanshirish: yep... :D03:29
shirishYNWA: ok, you have a single hard drive which u want to use as a dual-boot or multiple hard disks03:30
YNWAdual boot03:30
YNWAI already have Edgy03:30
shirishYNWA: and a single hard disk, no other hard disk in the system03:30
ruffehm, ubuntu CD is booting, but can't see it03:30
shirishYNWA: ok cool,03:30
YNWAshirish:it's a laptop, so...!03:30
shirishYNWA: no issues, the logic remains the same03:31
CarinArrYNWA: you want to dual boot edgy and feisty?03:31
YNWAno, I actually want to replace edgy03:31
shirishYNWA: so what u wanna do is make a clean install right03:31
CarinArrany windows installs?03:31
Hidanman, this is awesome. So far, so good. NO freezes, a couple of crashes.03:31
YNWACarinArr: Xp03:31
YNWAI have four partitions: One with Xp, two with just data, and the other with Edgy03:32
shirishYNWA: ok cool, and when u installed edgy, it was the last partition, after XP right03:32
CarinArrYNWA: okay03:32
YNWAshirish: it was the 4th partition, after the xp disk and the two data03:32
jhaigYNWA: You should be able to just select the Edgy partition as the partition to install onto, and it will not touch the others.03:33
YNWAit says "No root file system is defined."03:33
shirishright, just like jhaig has said, just point it to the Edgy install03:33
jhaigYNWA: Have you set the mountpoint to / ?03:33
CarinArrYNWA: what type of partitions are the data ones?03:33
CarinArrext3? fat32? ntfs?03:34
YNWACarinArr: NTFS03:34
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CarinArrso you have three ntfs partitions and one ext3?03:34
YNWAjhaig: ..?03:34
YNWACarinArr: yeah03:34
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CarinArrand you want to wipe everything that's on the edgy partition and replace it with feisty?03:34
jhaigYNWA: The root partition needs to be mounted on /03:34
YNWACarinArr: yeah03:34
eagles0513875cursed updated pkgs screw up my wireless03:34
YNWAjhaig: how would I go about doing that?03:35
CarinArrYNWA: at the step you're at at the moment, can you see the four partitions?03:35
jhaigYNWA: I cannot remember exactly what the partitioning tool looks like.  If you select the Edgy partition, is there an 'Edit' or 'preferences' button?03:35
YNWAI see six, the 3 ntfs, 1 ext3, 1swap and one unnamed03:35
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CarinArrwhat does the line with the ext3 say03:36
YNWAjhaig: yeah03:36
CarinArrstarting from left to right03:36
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jhaigYNWA: Well, in that, it should be possible to define the mountpoint.03:36
YNWA/dev/sda4    ext3       /media/sda4             |  |  4811MB03:36
eagles0513875jw after installing updated pkgs is it essential to reboot the machine03:37
CarinArrYNWA: it should say /dev/sda4 ext3 / | | 4811MB03:37
CarinArrso /media/sda4 should be replaced by /03:37
jhaigYNWA: /media/sda4 (I think) is currently the mountpoint.03:37
YNWAah, i chose the "/"03:38
CarinArrYNWA: double check that only the ext3 and the swap are set to be formatted03:38
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jhaigIf you look in the others, they will have similar settings.  This means, when you boot up into the newly installed system you will be able to access them via the /media directory.03:38
YNWAa warning came up saying something03:39
YNWAcan I paste here or in the paste bin?03:39
CarinArrhow many lines?03:39
CarinArrpastebin then please:)03:39
YNWAcrap where is it again?03:40
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:40
YNWAthe paste bin03:40
jhaigIs it warning you that partitions will be reformatted?03:40
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eagles0513875i installed the ndiswrapper front end and it wont load03:41
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CarinArreagles0513875: errors?03:41
ruffehow do i get the UUID of a partition?03:41
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eagles0513875nope nothing comes on the scree no errors what so ever03:42
m`kayhi guys.03:42
Hobbseeruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/03:42
eagles0513875im going to purge it and reinstall it03:42
m`kayis azureus in feisty still full of bugs like in dapper or edgy?03:42
CarinArrYNWA: which partition are you trying to resize?03:42
eagles0513875on the bottow it comes up then quits all of a sudden03:42
eagles0513875should i try black list the driver that comes by default with the kernel03:43
CarinArreagles0513875: have you tried to start the frontend from a terminal03:43
YNWAI just edited ext3 so its mount point is "/"03:43
CarinArrno changes in partition sizes?03:43
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eagles0513875no i have not iill try it now03:43
CarinArrand only swap and ext3 partitions are ticked for formatting03:44
YNWAah - sorry, the 4801 became 480003:44
eagles0513875it worked now03:44
CarinArrah okay..03:44
eagles0513875now that i installed driver i need to black list the one with the kernel03:44
CarinArrout of interest, what's the last "unnamed" partition?03:44
CarinArrjust emtpy space?03:44
YNWAdunno what it is03:44
CarinArrhow big is it?03:45
sliptteesas configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?03:45
YNWAI can't select swap for formatting03:45
CarinArrYNWA: the swap one should be formatted automatically03:45
sliptteesas configure pppoeconf in the Feisty?03:45
YNWAah ok, so I click on format and continue?03:46
sliptteespppoeconf command not found! :(03:46
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ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.03:46
eagles0513875CarinArr: now its not installing any of the drivers03:46
CarinArrYNWA: yep03:46
sliptteesCarinArr: they no help me03:47
shirishare people having problems connecting to bugs.launchpad.net?03:47
YNWACarinArr: who's ubotu?03:47
shirishYNWA: a bot03:47
YNWAI was thinking no one could speak that many languagues03:48
CarinArrshirish: seems very slow03:48
CarinArrlol YNWA03:48
eagles0513875ive blacklisted the driver that came with the kernel03:48
shirishCarinArr: same here, very very slow :(03:48
eagles0513875now i need help with installing the driver using ndiswrapper frontend03:48
YNWAit's asking me to import Docs & Settings from XP, should I?03:48
CarinArreagles0513875: i've never used any ndiswrapper frontend i'm afraid03:48
YNWAmy user on XP03:48
eagles0513875has anyone used the ndiswrapper frontend before03:49
CarinArrYNWA: uhm.. no idea;) you can if you want i suppose.. i've never had that option03:49
CarinArrcould be because i don't have xp instaled03:49
eagles0513875ill brb guys moment of truth its saying the module is installed03:49
funkyHatYNWA, it won't hurt to try it, and CarinArr yeah that would be why ;)03:49
YNWAthe dominance of Microsoft forces me to use Xp03:49
CarinArrright i'm goign to go plant the rest of my plants before they die in the sun03:50
CarinArrta ra03:50
YNWAthanks CarinArr for the help btw03:50
YNWAglad in your part of the world the sun is still up03:50
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ruffehow do i find UUID of /dev/mdX?03:51
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YNWAalrighty, things are installing... thanks guys for the help03:52
shirishruffe: the one hdd u are using would be listed in /boot/grub/menu.lst03:52
shirishruffe: there you should find atleast the present disks uuid03:52
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shootersno package named `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386' is installed, cannot configure03:53
ruffeshirish, booting on cd03:53
shooterswhat do I do?03:53
shirishruffe: you have an edgy install on the HDD or its an XP thing? sorry have not followed the discussion before03:54
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ruffeshirish, upgraded from edgy to feisty03:55
ruffeshirish, and now it can't boot03:55
shirishruffe: then pray, why are u using a cd, doing some rescue thing?03:55
ruffeshirish, yes03:56
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shirishruffe: ah ok, there is something called chroot which is supposed to help03:56
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ruffeshirish, not by it self03:57
shirishruffe: I have never done it, trying to find if there is some documentation somewhere of it03:57
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ruffei have a UUID in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, how can i check it?03:58
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Hobbseeruffe: ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/03:59
shirishHobbsee: does that command work only on the CD, or can a person use it to see the uuid on the hdd also while running that hdd?03:59
ruffeHobbsee, no mdX there04:00
Hobbseeshirish: both04:00
Hobbseeshirish: in fact, the latter is the oen mostly used04:00
Hobbseeruffe: ahh04:00
shirishHobbsee: I get this ls -la /dev/disks/by-uuid/04:02
shirishHobbsee:  No such file or directory04:02
Hobbseeshirish: disk, not disks, sorry04:02
shirishHobbsee: ah, ok04:02
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:07
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valehruHey guys, from /var/www/ I am unable to rename or edit files or folders...what gives?04:14
coNPvalehru: are you owning these files / folders?04:14
tonyyarussovalehru: add yourself to the www-data group04:14
shirishthis is so sad as well as so cool, so many of my bugs are being responded to today but I cannot seem to connect to bugs.launchpad.net today :(04:14
valehrutonyyarusso, how do I do that?04:14
tonyyarussovalehru: sudo adduser valehru www-data04:14
valehruwell I did "sudo -R valehru /var/www/"04:14
valehruI thought that would have done the job04:14
Hidanfinally finished the book... how sad.04:16
shirishHidan: which book was that?04:16
Hidanshirish: mmm... Playing with fire by Dana Stabenow04:17
Hidanher writing's not so good in her earlier books though...04:17
shirishnever heard of that one, I just finished the debian install by debian.org (pdf) today lol :P04:17
Hidanshirish: oh it's mystery. takes place in Alaska.04:18
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shirishHidan: oh cool, the last fictional or do not know what was 'The Pilgrimage' by the same author who had written 'The Alchemist'04:19
Hidanshirish: interesting. what was the author's name?04:20
shirishHidan: ok hold on, I will find it out in a moment, wikipedia to the rescue04:20
Hidanshirish: ah thank you. ^_^04:20
shirishHidan: yes, Paul Cohelo04:20
shirishHidan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pilgrimage04:21
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TheVaultI really need some help. For some reason, I'm not able to get my external DVD to read discs while I'm booting up. I have no Blank CDs or I would burn a copy of feisty. I have Windows installed at the moment on my Desktop, which I wanna replace with Feisty fawn, but cannot do that cause of the fact of my DVD player won't read anything when I boot my computer(iv looked in bios, everywhere for...04:22
Hidanshirish: thank you. :) I won't look, though, since I'll put that on my "to get" list.04:22
TheVault...boot sequenece and my dvd player does not show) . Is there a way to install feisty fawn while using Windows Xp to install it?04:22
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mweicherthi guys, I'm trying to preseed a feisty install that has no network connection at the time of install. How do I tell d-i not to install components from a mirror? I keep getting the error "Bad archive mirror" as naturally, the computer cannot connect to the internet without a network connection04:23
shirishHidan: it is not a mystery novel, hence u can look, it is how should I say in a sense of finding yourself thing04:23
Hidanshirish: ooh... I think I know what you mean. Self-enrichment sorta book, huh?04:23
shirishTheVault: did I read that right, DVD player did u say?04:23
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TheVaultshirish: DVD reader/burner/player04:24
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shirishHidan: yup, something like that, not preachy but sorta tells about his experience04:24
TheVaultshirish: So I can read a DVD with Feisty Fawn on it04:24
Arwenit's RC day, so, will the new patches come out at midnight?04:24
shirishTheVault: and you say it reads XP bootable DVD?04:25
Hidanshirish: good, i never like books where people get preachy, especially when they start insisting that your problems are always your own fault. But not everyone gets to choose the direction of his life. :p04:25
shirishHidan: true, but one can always make an effort, take a chill-pill, install Ubuntu for starters lol :p04:26
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TheVaultshrish: Basically, its a DVD drive, burns, reads, plays DVDs. Basically, The drive is not in my bios nor can I get it to work at bootup, even with it plugged it. So right now, i'm sitting here on XP, is there a way to install feisty fawn by popping in the DVD I made of feisty fawn and get it install while still using Windows XP while its still installing?04:26
ArwenTheVault, try making your BIOS rescan the IDE and SATA channels04:27
TheVaultArwen: How do I do that?04:27
Arwendunno, depends on the BIOS04:27
Hidanshirish: lol :) yeah... for most people, nay for some people. :p After all, there're some who don't even make enough to buy a computer and live their life on the streets. Oh well...04:27
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TheVaultArwen: Well I got a older computer. Pentium 3 Processor 993MHZ with 256MB Of Ram04:28
shirishHidan: true04:28
TheVaultArwen: 20GIG HD04:28
shirishTheVault: no, do not think so04:28
Arwendunno then, either way, food....04:28
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TheVaultshirish: Well dang. Now I gotta go out and buy some CDs. I can't have the feisty fawn shipped to my house cause i'm moving soon and it takes sometime for the disc to get here.04:29
shirishTheVault: what I meant was I do not see a way to use windows while installing feisty04:29
Hidanshirish: hmmm... backing up some stuff now. what a waste of dvd space... 1.7 gb used space, 2.7 gb free. oh well.04:29
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TheVaultshrish: Well is there a way I can install feisty without the use of a CD. In my laptop(the one Iv been getting most help on recently) reads DVDs & everything fine, but thats cause the DVD drive is built in04:30
SlimeyPeteshirish: one could probably give VMWare access to a "proper" partition on the hard disk and install Ubuntu via that.04:30
SlimeyPetemight need to set up the bootloader manually though04:31
dfgas_so has here been any updates to the live cd04:31
shirishSlimeyPete: how did that one slip through my mind, yes you could use vmware but it would be excruciatingly slow04:31
TheVaultSlimeyPete: My desktop would die. Vmware does not work very good on a low end computer like I have04:31
shirishSlimeyPete: he has a p3 something04:32
SlimeyPetevmware's not *that* slow... but yeah, on your hardware it'd be painful04:32
TheVaultYeah it would04:32
TheVaultI even had touble with it on my high end computer04:32
shirishSlimeyPete: Qemu would have been good I guess but it needs to be ported for Windows04:32
SlimeyPeteit has been.04:32
shirishTheVault: have u tried Qemu?04:33
SlimeyPeteVirtualBox is qemu-based, and there's a vanilla qemu port around somewhere too.04:33
TheVaultshirish: Whats that?04:33
SlimeyPetething is, Qemu's no faster than vmware04:33
SlimeyPetethese days04:33
Hidanbtw, out of all those virtual ware stuff, which one's the best? i've heard of virtualbox and the like.04:33
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shirishTheVault: seems you got yourself in a fix04:33
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LukianThe last push of updates broke nvidia :(04:34
TheVaultshrish: Yeah. Stupid DVD burner burned my last CD the wrong way, stupid thing burned the ISO file itself to the disc, not extract itself to the disc like it normally does04:34
SlimeyPetevirtualbox is nice. VMWare's the daddy but in theory you have to pay for Workstation in order to get all the desktop-oriented features. Microsoft's VirtualPC is rubbish - slow as treacle and it doesn't play well with non-Windows OSes.04:34
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TheVaultshirish: Talk about a waste of a perfectly good CD04:34
Hidanyeah virtualpc is awful... it took me like 5 mins just to prompt the cursor into moving!04:34
shirishTheVault: here they cost about 1/4th of a dollar04:35
Hidanslimey: i've tried VMWare player but... i wasn't able to get winxp to run in it.04:35
shirishTheVault: same as a DVD04:35
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SlimeyPeteodd. If anything's gonna run without a hitch in VMWare, it's Windows.04:35
TheVaultshrish: I rather not spend no money. I'm going to do what Arwen said and do the scan thing in the Bios04:35
TheVaultHopefully, it finds something. Brb in a bit04:36
Hidanshirish: yeah dvds and cdrs are pretty cheap in singapore. but, i also have cdrs too, 'cos i like to backup my music cds.04:36
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shirishHidan: same here, although do not backup music so often04:36
LukianI can't wait till feisty final, assuming they fix these bugs :/04:36
Hidanlukian: yeah same here.04:37
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AlexC_yay, running Feisty!04:37
shirishLukian: i am waiting for the feisty+1 alpha, when I will be able to break the box again, see what works or not, file bugs (which is a high in itself) and learn more about the OS doing that04:37
Lukian*wonders when the next version of nvidia restricted drivers will be pushed*04:37
Hidanshirish: just got 50 dvd+r discs and 50 cdrs yesterday. cost me about 1,400 rupees.04:38
Hidanalexc_ congrats!04:38
shirishHidan: wowie, that is singapore rupees right04:38
Hidanshirish: alpha, huh? filing bugs is kinda fun.04:39
Hidanshirish: no converted into indian rupees. we use Singapore dollars here. :P04:39
shirishHidan: yup, quite like it actually04:39
shirishHidan: wow, that is big spend here04:39
AlexC_got one problem though, I installed gnome-compiz-manager and on Edgy, I could find it in the menus ... however, it is not there with Feisty, and if I run "gnome-compiz-manage" in terminal, it's not there04:39
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shirishHidan: actually not so much, it would have costed around 1k here, so not bad at all04:39
crazy_buscan anyone tell me how Rip Video dvd in k3b works.  I tried it but it just loads the video_ts and audio_ts folder04:40
shirishHidan: for as I understand the Singapore dollar has more value than the Indian rupee04:40
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slytherinshirish: 50 DVD+ARE itself would cost you Rs. 125004:41
Hidanshirish: speaking about bugs, check out this. lol.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/10581104:41
ubotuMalone bug 105811 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu: Many suggestions included" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 04:41
Hidanwhat's ARE ?04:41
shirishyeah, whats ARE?04:42
thoreauputiclaunchpad is not loading here...04:42
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slytherinHidan: shirish: Sorry, text replacement by Gaim. :-D DVD+R04:42
shirishHidan: I am getting timed out on launchpad, the engineers need to fix it or loa dmore servers04:42
shirishslytherin: are u from India to say from authority?04:43
Hidanslytherin: whoa that alone?! 50 dvds = 1250 Rs. ???! Yeeks.04:43
frederificwill feisty be available on shipit?04:43
thoreauputicshirish: possibly maintenance or something happening04:43
slytherinshirish: Yes, I am.04:43
slytherinfrederific: Yes.04:43
Hidanshirish: yeah well, loading times have been a bit slow for me on launchpad lately.04:43
slytherinthoreauputic: launchpad accessible here04:44
thoreauputicslytherin: hmm04:44
frederificslytherin: thx04:44
Hidanfrederic: yes... shipit allows you to apply for Feisty cds xD04:44
shirishslytherin: i have got 10 DVD of National do not remember whether it is + or - DVD R but get both for 10 bucks each04:44
slytherinHidan: shirish: FYI ... 1 Singapore $ = 33 INR04:44
Hidanslytherin: yeah i used a currency converter.04:44
thoreauputicslytherin: taking forever in .au apparently...04:45
slytherinHidan: shirish: Sorry it is 27 INR. I quotes AUS $ rate04:45
Hidanslytherin: shirish: in SGD, i paid 16 + 29 bucks. = 45 SGD$.04:45
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slytherinshirish: Ahh. I think them Moser Baer (whatever the spelling) are costly04:45
Hidanmaxell media.04:45
thoreauputicslytherin: finally loads... took about 30 seconds04:45
shirishslytherin: there is a make of Moser Baer which one should not purchase, I do not remember the exact one, but its told to be trouble04:46
Hidanshirish: what's moser baer? don't see it in singapore.04:46
shirishslytherin: thoreauputic: finally times out after 5 minutes04:47
shirishHidan: its an Indian company which makes branded CDs & DVDs04:47
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thoreauputicheh - that suggestion bug is a long rant :))04:47
slytherinshirish: anyway, I don't have DVD writer yet. So I won't buy them anyway. If I ever buy a DVD writer (USB) then I will buy Sony DVDs :-D04:47
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shirishslytherin: I am happy there, Sony ones are mega-expensive too, I make do with cheap ones04:48
Hidanthoreauputic: HEY! :P it took me many hours to write up those suggestions... grr.04:48
shirishHidan: could u make a pastebin paste out of it04:48
Hidanshirish: aye sure...04:48
Hidanshirish: hang on, man.04:48
thoreauputicHidan: hah04:48
Hidanthoreauputic: what? :P04:49
slytherinHidan: Some suggestions are good. Why not split them in wishlist bugs? Anyway, most of them won't make it to feisty.04:49
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shirishalso they are going in now for selling cheap movies on DVD, Moser Baer, single movie, 1 Singapore Dollar04:49
Hidanslytherin: how do i post in wishlist?04:50
thoreauputicHidan: no further comments. m'lud04:50
Hidanthoreauputic: bah, i'm female xD04:50
Hidanshirish: wait sooo cheap?!!!!! 1 buck per movie?!04:50
thoreauputicHidan: OK, m'lady ;p04:50
AnRkeywhen is RC1 due?04:50
shirishHidan: you cannot make it wishlist , but can say they are wishlist material, then the guys will automatically categorize it so04:50
AlexC_How can I get gnome-compiz-manager? I install it, but - it's not in the menus and can't launch it via Terminal, it was here in Edgy! where's it gnoe?04:50
shirishAnRkey: today it seems04:50
slytherinHidan: I meant that probably put [wishlist]  in the bug description.04:51
thoreauputicAlexC_: try system -preferences - GL Desktop04:51
AnRkeyi just did a fresh install of the beta, then a full update and then tried the nvidia drivers with compiz04:51
AnRkeyworked first time and smooth as silk04:51
AlexC_thoreauputic: hum no it wasn't that one04:51
AnRkeyvery impressed04:51
AnRkeycan't wait to try the RC104:51
Hidanshirish: http://pastebin.ca/43644904:52
slytherinAlexC_: perhaps you need to add it to panel.04:52
Hidanshirish: okay thank you!04:52
shirishAnRkey: there was a big update today about the nvidia stuff04:52
AlexC_thoreauputic: there is another, more advanced configure for Compiz called gnome-compiz-manager ... I used it in Edgy, but I just installed it in Feisty and it's not there04:52
slytherinAlexC_: Or if you just installed it then 'killall gnome-panel'04:52
AlexC_no, it's not a panel applet,04:52
AnRkeyshirish: go on...04:52
thoreauputicAlexC_: gnome-compiz-preferences ?04:52
AlexC_no, gnome-compiz-manager04:52
AlexC_a more advanced version, allows you to tweak all plugins04:53
Hidanomg launchpad's horrendously slow04:53
thoreauputicAlexC_: I don't know then, sorry04:53
AnRkeyAlexC_: now i wanna go back to work and play with it! damn you man!04:53
AlexC_play with Compiz? :P04:53
Hidanmmm compiz eh? i haven't even dared to try that or beryl04:53
shirishAnRkey: oh, just that, I  noticed it as I keep a watch on what new updates are coming, nothing else, I am on i845 chipset04:53
Hidan'cos my system was giving me problems04:53
AlexC_I see,04:54
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Hidanshirish: sorry, though, that's a very long list lol04:54
AnRkeyshirish: how easy is i845 driver to install and use?04:54
thoreauputicAlexC_: apt-cache show gnome-compiz-preferences   says that it's the same, with a tray icon ( you can get the icon from the gui dialogue)04:54
AlexC_thoreauputic: try sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager04:54
AnRkeyshirish: looking into a dell laptop with that chipset now that they ship laptops without an OS on request04:54
AlexC_it's in there, it downloads and installs, yet .... it's no where to be found04:54
shirishAnRkey: there is one which comes with the stock install of feisty & there is one experimental whic can  be used04:54
thoreauputicAlexC_: i don't need to - I just told you what apt-cache show says04:55
AnRkeyshirish: which one works with glx effects and compiz?04:55
shirishAlexC_ try which gnome-compiz-manager04:55
shirishAnRkey: what chipset do u have?04:55
thoreauputicAlexC_: it comtains gnome-compiz-preferences and compiz-tray-icon04:55
shirishHidan: I am reading it, will let u know in a while then go for a bath04:56
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AnRkeywell my laptop for work is a dell xps m170 with a 6900gtx04:56
AlexC_hum, that's not right though, thoreauputic - because I installed it on Edgy and it was gnome-compiz-manager and preferences was a seperate program04:56
AnRkeyand my testing machine is has a 7800GS nvidia04:56
Hidanshirish: oh np xD04:56
thoreauputicAlexC_: *shrug*04:56
AnRkeyAlexC_: how much more stuff can you set?04:56
AlexC_configure every plugin, every shortcut04:57
shirishAnRkey: then the intel driver is of no use to you.04:57
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thoreauputicAlexC_: aptitude install gnome-compiz-manager --> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded04:57
AnRkeyooooh nice, i use beryls shorcut stuff to add things like "super R" and "super E"04:57
jttthoreauputic: how did you embolden the  word  shrug  just a moment ago  waht key strokes embolden words04:58
thoreauputicAlexC_: are you thinking of the beryl manager?04:58
AlexC_type /me hello04:58
AnRkeyshirish: does beryl or compiz not work with it?04:58
thoreauputicjtt: just put * around it04:58
thoreauputicjtt: like *this*04:58
AlexC_thoreauputic: nope, I've used both beryl and Compiz and they use very different managers04:58
jttthoreauputic: thanks04:58
shirishAnRkey: it works, but u need the intel express chipset as ur graphics & from what u told, it seems u do not have an intel integrated graphics chipset04:58
thoreauputicAlexC_: 'tis a mystery then - i too would like more options in the compiz GUI04:59
AlexC_let me see if I can find a screenshot of it04:59
shirishAnRkey: it is for intel integrated graphics chipset only, the experimental driver04:59
AnRkeyshirish: no thats what i have now04:59
thoreauputicAlexC_: I get sick of trying to work out the gconf-editor options...04:59
AnRkeywhat i am looking at getting is a dell with your chipset04:59
shirishAnRkey: ah ok, lemme find the right bug-report for you then04:59
AnRkeydo you have it working with beryl or compiz?05:00
shirishAnRkey: bug #90213 there u go05:00
AnRkeyshweet thanks :D05:00
shirishubotu seems to be sleeping again05:00
ubotuMalone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress] 05:01
thoreauputichmm ubotu has been very sluggish today05:01
shirishnot his fault actually ubotu: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The connect operation timed out05:01
AnRkeyi am prbly only gonna get it later this year and i think i might just stick to nvidia for the graphics chipset for sake of ease and less hair loss05:01
thoreauputicshirish: ah05:01
shirishAnRkey: granted that one05:01
AnRkeyshirish: the nvidia drivers and compiz are installed for you by feisty now05:02
AnRkeyso very very easy05:02
AlexC_thoreauputic: woops, I got it mixed up - it wasn't gnome-compiz-manager but instead this http://compiz.org/Compiz-Settings05:02
shirishAnRkey: I know by the description but have not yet had the opportunity to actually see it05:02
thoreauputicAlexC_: ah05:02
thoreauputicAlexC_: looking05:03
AnRkeyshirish: actually funny enough, i played with vista a while ago and auro was much harder to get working than compiz was in feisty beta :)05:03
AlexC_thoreauputic: link seems to be dead, though05:03
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AnRkeyaero, soz :D05:03
mweichert_has anyone here been able to successfully preseed feisty?05:03
thoreauputicAlexC_: yes, and no package in feisty apparently05:04
AlexC_shame, it's a very nice settings manager for it05:04
thoreauputicAlexC_: the options have been changing pretty fast - maybe it is just out of date05:04
AlexC_maybe, but they are changing there site over05:04
AlexC_and the links seem to be the old links,05:05
thoreauputicAlexC_: beryl and compiz are rejoining anyway05:05
hyljeif they manage05:05
AlexC_yep, I just need my daily dose of wobbly windows05:05
thoreauputicAlexC_: I have had more fun with Beryl actually :)05:06
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shirishHidan: u there?05:06
thoreauputicAlexC_: although if anything Beryl is just *too much*05:06
AlexC_I normally use Beryl, how ever I find Compiz more polished and professional05:06
thoreauputicAlexC_: well, yes - Beryl is a bit of an eye candy whore ( taste is not an issue)05:07
mweichert_can feisty be installed without a network connection?05:07
shirishAlexC_: I just tried the desktop-effects for a while then went back to the daily way of doing things05:07
tonyyarussomweichert_: ye05:07
shirishmweichert_: absolutely, but then getting the networking right would be some pain afterwards05:07
AlexC_oh hold on ... Compiz doesn't have group windows05:07
AlexC_hum, may need to bring in Beryl for that then =05:08
mweichert_why does the installer insist on configuring a mirror?05:08
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shirishmweichert_: if your network connection is on, then it would configure the connection, whether you want to use it l8ter is upto u05:08
thoreauputicmweichert_: because most people would not know how to do it themselves?05:08
mweichert_tonyyarusso, shirish - have either of you ever preseeded the install?05:08
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shirishmweichert_: have read about it, but no have not done it as of yet05:08
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tonyyarussomweichert_: You mean built our own disks?05:09
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mweichert_I don't get it, I've preseeded the install to configure no network connection and haven't specificed any mirror settings... but the installer fails as it is trying to fetch the release file from archive.ubuntu.com05:10
mweichert_but of course it can't fetch from the internet with no network connection05:10
mweichert_I'm stumped05:10
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tonyyarussoThe default one should fail once and ask you to continue...05:10
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mweichert_tonyyarusso: noppers05:10
shirishmweichert_:  no idea m8, the debian channel should be more helpful in this regard, because they built the debian-installer05:11
tonyyarussoHrm.  The alternate CD does.05:11
tonyyarussoshirish: I think he may be talking Ubiquity?05:11
mweichert_if I click continue, the same message appears "bad archive mirror"05:11
shirishtonyyarusso: ah ok05:11
tonyyarussomweichert_: Desktop or Alternate ?05:11
AlexC_well that was easy, beryl install in 2 mins ... oh I love it, I love it!05:11
AnRkeythoreauputic: when is compiz and beryl going to join?05:12
shirishok guys off to a bath now05:12
mweichert_shirish: thanks for your help05:12
thoreauputicAnRkey: I don't know - I just read that they are working on it05:12
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thoreauputicAnRkey: it won't be a white weddind, i guess ;p05:13
hidani accidentally uninstalled my ATI drivers05:13
hidannow feisty won't load and i'm running off my live cd.05:13
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thoreauputichidan: boot in recovery mode, reconfigure X and choose the vesa driver, then fix it when it boots to a gui05:14
hidanuhmmm how do i reconfigure X?05:14
thoreauputichidan:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:14
gnomefreakhidan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:14
thoreauputicgnomefreak: ;)05:15
hidanomg thank guys :D05:15
gnomefreakthoreauputic: :)05:15
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AnRkeythoreauputic: I did some googlesnooping and found this http://www.linuxlookup.com/2007/apr/05/compiz_and_beryl_reunited_officially05:15
AnRkeythoreauputic: explains it nicely05:15
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AnRkeyit looks very exciting05:15
thoreauputicAnRkey: ah - thanks for the link :)05:15
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gnomefreakit hasnt been merged yet but they are working on it05:16
hidanright guys and damnit, my system had to freeze at that time.05:16
AnRkeyi hope it has a nice quick pace for dev work like beryl did05:16
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hidananyone here had system freeze completely before, in Feisty? As in, even magic keys won't restart the pc and you need to do cold reboot.05:16
arkoraI am running linux 2.6.20-*14* on feisty, and need to install the old version 2.6.20-*13*. Where can I find these debs? They do not exist in the repositories anymore, and I have deleted my archive cache. Any ideas?05:16
AnRkeyhidan: where you doing an update?05:16
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hidananrkey: no it happens on random.05:17
thoreauputichidan: usually binary driver issues05:17
hidananrkey: i've no idea why.05:17
hidanthoreauputic: huh? binary drivers?05:17
gnomefreakarkora: you didnt leave it in grub?05:17
AnRkeyhidan: have you checked your logs?05:17
thoreauputichidan: ati and nvidia ( ati especially)05:17
hidananrkey: nothing much about that issue in the logs.05:17
thoreauputichidan: have you been living under a rock?05:18
arkoragnomefreak: no. (will never do that again)05:18
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hidanthoreauputic: hey that was uncalled for, man... ><;;05:18
gnomefreakfile that under smae heading while were at it05:18
mweichert_does ubuntu-desktop contain any packages NOT on the cd?05:18
gnomefreakarkora: ok look in /var/apt/cache05:19
hidanthoreauputic: yeah i even installed a separate set of ATI drivers but no use... the system still froze. Then again, maybe  i needed to restart the pc after installing. duh.05:19
AnRkeyi am a sad man today05:19
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arkoragnomefreak: I have deleted the archive cache. (will never do that again ;)05:19
AnRkeythe last thing i need from linux just is not there yet05:19
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: why what?05:19
mastertsunamiwhats the last thing you need05:19
gnomefreakarkora: are you sure you want to be using feisty?05:19
tonyyarussothat was @ AnRkey05:19
AnRkeyi would move now on my personal machine if i could game as easilly05:19
thoreauputichidan: I just wonder why you are using a devel OS with ati and son't know what is meant by "binary drivers" ;)05:20
AnRkeyi just can't leave bf205:20
gnomefreakhold on a sec let me think of name for it05:20
AnRkeyi tried but it didn't work05:20
mastertsunamibf2 works pretty well in linux05:20
hidanthoreauputic: hey, i've spent less than 2 weeks on linux so hold it off. :P05:20
mastertsunamidid you try cedega?05:20
AnRkeythe withdrawel hit me hard05:20
DanaGBF2 uses OpenAL, so audio should work fine.05:20
AlexC_hum that's ashame, Rthymbox doesn't ask to install codecs,05:20
mastertsunamiit did for me :05:20
mastertsunamiwhat file type is it?05:21
thoreauputichidan: then why on earth are you running a beta like feisty ? Just curious...05:21
AlexC_really? mp305:21
AnRkeyDanaG: I suppose when feisty is at stable i will try again with cedega05:21
DanaGAs long as you rename "BF2OpenAL.dll" to something else, if you have an Audigy.05:21
arkoragnomefreak: I've been using Linux for 11 years, it was just stupid of me. Is there any other source, or a server where old builds are available?05:21
gnomefreakarkora: open synaptic and search for kernel05:21
hidanthoreauputic: oh because Dapper was completely unstable on my pc. I did 2 reformats and still, things went wrong. So people recommended Feisty.05:21
AlexC_Totem though, does install the codecs05:21
AnRkeyDanaG: thanks for the tip05:21
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mastertsunamii'd file a bug05:21
DanaGVideo may be a different issue, though.05:21
thoreauputichidan: hmm05:21
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AlexC_mastertsunami: is Rtyhmbox suppose to, though?05:22
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:22
hidanthoreauputic: yeah too many factors into why things went wrong.05:22
AnRkeydoes any1 know how to get uvox streams to work with totem?05:22
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mastertsunamiAlexC_: I thought so but thinking back I might have tried a video file first05:22
DanaGIn fact, if you have a sound card that supports OpenAL in the Windows drivers, the same tweak will apply there'.05:22
thoreauputichidan: well, you are jumping in a t the deep end - good luck :)05:22
mastertsunamiin either case, it should ask you05:22
DanaGgoogle "bf2openal.dll"05:22
AlexC_hum, wtf05:23
AlexC_Rythmbox has gone mad :P05:23
hidanthoreauputic: oh don't worry, i've spent quite a few days running Feisty.05:23
AlexC_it wont play any file ...05:23
thoreauputichidan: at least there are only a few days to go before release05:23
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AnRkeyhey! no fair, whenever i say wtf i get told off :(05:23
hidanthoreauputic: how many more days before RC1?05:23
AlexC_wtf really? :P05:23
thoreauputichidan: any time now I think05:23
gnomefreakit should be out05:23
AnRkeyAlexC_: :D05:23
AlexC_RC1 is out today ... I downloaded todays Daily and everything is fine05:24
gnomefreakcheck !daily   they were testing it yesterday05:24
AlexC_I couldn't wait any longer,05:24
Toma-whats the dd command to clear a drive?05:24
AlexC_and now I'm running Feisty =) yay05:24
Toma-if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda?05:24
gnomefreakok im gone for a while before the hard work begins05:24
AnRkeywell i am in UK and it's normally at night here when the herds or beta's are out05:25
hidanthoreauputic: yeah here's to hoping things work well... with the RC1 or else, i'll probably try another flavour of linux or go back to WinXP.05:25
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arkoragnomefreak: I've done that, but synaptic tells me linux-2.6.20-13 is not available at the server any more. I can't find it at ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta or at any other mirror either.05:25
johnnybuoyhidan, what is the issue?05:25
thoreauputichidan: feisty is working well here ...05:25
gnomefreakarkora: than your not getting it05:25
AlexC_it's working great here as well!05:26
gnomefreaksee if #ubuntu-kernel still has them05:26
gnomefreakok now i am really gone05:26
AlexC_with edgy I had to go to the docs and install all of these codecs yadaadad, Feisty .. nice, just double click a file and it downloads them ... superb.05:26
hidanjohnnybuoy: Feisty freezed at least 5 times so far... Magic keys don't work and according to thoreauputic, it could likely be a binary driver issue.05:26
arkoragnomefreak: thanks.05:26
AlexC_same with graphics card drivers, I love it :P05:26
johnnybuoyhidan, you have ATI?05:27
hidanjohnnybuoy: yep, ATI. i installed xorg-driver-fglrx as well. however, right now, i'm booting off the livecd. i accidentally uninstalled my default ati drivers lol05:27
johnnybuoyhidan, ATI don't really suppot linux, the same bugs have been around in their drivers for more that 2 years05:28
johnnybuoythey make that driver to get on people's nerves and make linux seem bad05:28
hidanjohnnybuoy: i heard that so what can i do?05:28
AlexC_tis why I switched to nVidia :P05:29
thoreauputic!ati | hidan05:29
johnnybuoythey taint the kernel, thus it is not a linux issu, it is an ATI issu05:29
ubotuhidan: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:29
Toma-i support nvidia with my wallet. boo to ati!05:29
hidanjohnnybuoy: so you mean with those drivers, system freezes(Magic keys don't work, etc., etc.) are a common issue?05:29
johnnybuoyhidan, well, I'm sorry to say, but if you want 3D, then you really have no choice....05:29
johnnybuoyhidan, very common05:29
hidanjohnnybuoy: argh...05:30
johnnybuoyhidan, everyone who uses it has them05:30
thoreauputichidan: "Don't buy... ATI "05:30
DanaGHmm, what video card do you have?05:30
AnRkeyAlexC_: Feisty is the best linux DE i have ever used, there are loads of toys hidden. The final release notes will list them all.05:30
johnnybuoyhidan, what videocard?05:30
hidanjohnnybuoy: i don't exactly have the cash to change everything in my system right now. :(05:30
hidanjohnnybuoy: powercolor 9600 pro05:30
johnnybuoynot everything, the videocard is tough05:30
AlexC_AnRkey: I think you mean Distro, not DE :P oo, hidden toys? what like?05:30
johnnybuoyhidan, what do you use it for?05:30
DanaGOh, for a 9600 you can use the OSS driversm right?05:30
johnnybuoyhidan, there are pretty good "experimental" drivers for that card05:31
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TelepI'm using them with my mobile radeon 900005:31
AlexC_where is my Beryl window grouper?!05:31
DanaGyou'd have to purge the fglrx drivers with apt.05:31
johnnybuoyyes, all of fglrx05:31
hidanjohnnybuoy: oh boy lol... phew . i'm saved. so the OSS driversm are okay?05:31
johnnybuoyDanaG, depends, those r300 drivers don't really work for blender eg.05:31
hidanbut first of all, i accidentally wiped my default ATI drivers05:31
Telepcompiz works fine, but e.g. Gimp is sluggish05:31
johnnybuoyhidan, yes, some issues with textures tho05:31
AlexC_I can't live without Window groping, I thought that was in Beryl 0.2?!05:31
hidani need to load VEGA drivers first.05:31
thoreauputicthe radeon driver works OK on my iBook with a 9200 ati card05:32
hidanjohnnybuoy: oh don't worry, i have WinXP for my games.05:32
johnnybuoyhidan, REMOVE fglrx COMPLETELY from your system05:32
AlexC_sudo apt-get remove --purge package   will do the trick05:32
johnnybuoyfglrx is a virus created by ati05:32
hidanjohnnybuoy: well i'd the system freezes before i installed flgrx though.05:32
shirishakora: you looking for old builds of kernels or old releases of ubuntu?05:32
shirishhidan: hi05:32
johnnybuoyati salespersons should go to hell for making the life of their users so hard05:33
hidanshirish: hey again...05:33
shirishhidan: ok I looked at the patebin05:33
shirishhidan: and sorry to say its a big brain dump05:33
AlexC_how can I get rid of the Network manager icon? I'm on a wired connection and it always will be,05:33
AlexC_I don't want that little icon sitting on my tray,05:33
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shirishhidan: what u need to do is figure out which ones are documentation issues05:33
hidanjohnnybuoy: so are you trying to say that the default ATI drivers installed in ubuntu: xserver-xorg-ati are also a cause of system freezes?05:33
hidanshirish: yeah good point...05:33
shirishhidan: and put them on the documentation mailing list, not all but 1 at a time05:34
johnnybuoyhidan, no, those are fine05:34
thoreauputicAlexC_: make nm-applet nt executable - sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/nm-applet05:34
hidanjohnnybuoy: hmmm strange. i got system freezes even before installing flgrx.05:34
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johnnybuoyhidan, I thought you had fglrx installed05:34
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thoreauputicAlexC_: i have no idea if that will break anything btw ;)05:34
shirishhidan: get some test-cases as there are 4 architectures which ubuntu is supporting so the lowest common commands should be documented, which work on all the archs. or make architecture specific documentation like debian does05:35
AlexC_I think it would, really05:35
hidanjohnnybuoy: oh i had the system freezes, so i installed flgrx to hopefully correct them.05:35
DanaGActually, instead of chmodding it -x,05:35
johnnybuoyhidan, hmm, then seee with the VESA drivers, if the system freeses with those too, then it's not a VGA issue05:35
thoreauputicAlexC_: you can uninstall network-manager but upgrades will try to put it back :)05:35
DanaGyou should just go to the sessions thingy and remove it from startup and from the current session.05:35
AlexC_lol, I'll remove it after Feisty is released then05:35
hidanjohnnybuoy: i wonder, could it be a kernel problem, though?05:35
johnnybuoykernel problem?05:35
hidanjohnnybuoy: i don't know, really... i'm out of solutions here.05:36
johnnybuoyhidan, what's your PC's configutarion?05:36
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johnnybuoyhardware configuration05:36
hidanjohnnybuoy: though a few days ago, my psu died and i'd to replace it.05:36
johnnybuoyhidan, and when do the freeses occure05:36
DanaGTry running it with no parameters, to see what it's all about -- there's a nifty GUI.05:36
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hidanjohnnybuoy: gimme a few minutes please.05:37
johnnybuoyhidan, then I'd also try a memtest05:37
AlexC_but with sudo apt-get autoremove it does the same job as aptitude,05:37
johnnybuoypsu = surge protector?05:37
AlexC_psu = power supply unit,05:37
shirishjohnnybuoy: to run an effective memory test, people usually test for hours, I do not think mylady (Hidan) has that much of patience05:37
hidanshirish: mmm what do you mean by that? :P05:38
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shirishlol :p I mean u like to get cracking, and memory test is good only when u have an alternative machine so u can play while the testing is being done in the background05:38
hidanshirish: wow, how'd you know i like to get cracking? :P05:39
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AndyMcMHi there, does anyone know when the RC gets released today?05:39
hidanjohnnybuoy: Athlon A64 3000+/Abit AV8/PowerColor 9600 Pro/Corsair ValueSelect PC3200 1GB/WD SATA 80 GB + WD IDE 160 GB/Audigy 2 Value/Benq 1620 Pro + LG DVD-Rom/SilverTeam 520W PSU05:39
shirishhidan: from the pastebin u posted its enough to know lol :p05:40
hidanjohnnybuoy: freezes occur when I'm using the internet. :P05:40
mastertsunamiholy crap are you kidding me :O05:40
mastertsunami"Gutsy Gibbon"05:41
hidanjohnnybuoy: when i'm using firefox, chatting on irc, etc.05:41
hidangutsy gibbon?!05:41
AlexC_mastertsunami: kinda sucks, I thought it was Gusty Gibbon at first ...05:41
johnnybuoyhidan, so it's "random freeses" ?05:41
shirishthe new name to feisty+105:41
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mastertsunamiyeah i thought it was gusty as well05:41
hidanjohnnybuoy: yes...05:41
AlexC_I want Feisty+1 now =(05:41
sittisal_i want to be the first ;-)05:41
sittisal_so i go05:41
hidanGUTSY ??! roflmao muhwahahahahaha05:41
sittisal_when Gusty Gibbon will be relased?05:42
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sittisal_i want it now...05:42
DanaGGusty -- *fart*05:42
shirishsittisal_: oct 200705:42
hidanjohnnybuoy: yeah i'll try running memtest05:42
sittisal_shirish: i want to know the exact day!05:43
hidanjohnnybuoy: how many passes do you recommend for the memtest, though?05:43
shirishsittisal_: you will know in few days05:43
thoreauputic*sigh* using LP is a pain today05:43
mastertsunami7.10, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 etc05:43
excitatory_I've been using/testing out the new feisty for a good week or so.. I noticed that it is due to be released in a week or so.  Once the final is released, would it make more sense to backup ~ and do a fresh install, or would just continuing to use the installed beta be fine?05:43
shirishyup agree to that05:43
sittisal_yeah i'm joking05:43
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johnnybuoyhidan, a few hours should give a pretty sure result, I guess, tho ppl say a day at least :$05:44
johnnybuoyhidan, wait tho, just a sec05:44
shirishhidan: do u have an alternative system or no?05:44
hidanshirish: man, i could just borrow someone elses' laptop which has winxp on it...05:44
shirishok cool, atleast we would have the pleasure of your company05:45
johnnybuoyhidan, http://forum.abit-usa.com/archive/index.php/t-72512.html this could help?05:45
hidanjohnnybuoy: i actually ran memtest before i installed feisty. however, it ran for only 1 pass before i got annoyed and remembered how long memtest takes to run.05:45
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AnRkeyok outa here05:46
hidanjohnnybuoy: geez, could be hardware issues, eh? urk i sweat at the idea of opening up my pc =P05:46
hidanshirish: oh thank you xD05:46
johnnybuoyhidan, check on google for: abit av8 random lockup or random freeze05:47
johnnybuoyshould give you a couple of results05:47
johnnybuoysorry, but I have to go now05:47
hidanjohnnybuoy: okay thank you for your help!05:48
hidanthanks :D05:48
hidanon the other hand, i could run from winxp and see what happens05:48
johnnybuoyyeah, if it's hardware issues, it should come up in windoze too05:48
hidanjohnnybuoy: yeah true... :)05:48
johnnybuoykewl, see y'all05:49
hidanthx and bye :D05:49
shirishhidan: you just bought this machine or assembled it?05:49
shirishhidan: its a desktop, right?05:49
hidanshirish: eh it's a desktop and it was assembled about 2 years ago.05:49
hidannot assembled by me but by the shop i bought the stuff at, though.05:50
DanaGI wish Nautilus would stop opening ~ at every single login!05:50
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shirishhidan: it could be anything actually from memory starting to fail to the CMOS battery going dead.05:50
shirishhidan: how is your clock holding or you have set it to sync with time server (UTC) ?05:51
hidanshirish: yeah true... however we had the system tested at a hardware repair shop yesterday.05:51
DanaGWTFhell? "Open link in browser" in Gaim isn't working~!05:51
shirishDanaG: are u sure you did all your updates?05:51
hidanshirish: mmmm the clock tends to be a bit off whenever i install ubuntu05:51
hidani mean whenever i run ubuntu off the live cd.05:52
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shirishwhat about the clock in xp or that in the BIOS05:53
andre_pldoes anyone here have a Texas Intruments 5in1 card working with the current feisty kernel?05:53
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hidanshirish: clock in xp and bios are okay.05:54
cleverbug 8843005:54
clever!bug 8843005:54
shirishhidan: then probably your memory is failing, and the guys at hardware shop cannot test memory05:54
hidanshirish: huh... we'll see.05:55
shirishclever: launchpad is buggy today so ubotu cannot help much05:55
ubotuMalone bug 88430 in module-init-tools "[feisty]  broken rtl818x and rtl8187 modules loaded at boot time" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8843005:55
clevershirish: ahhh05:55
shirishlol, it was not working before05:55
hidanshirish: after all, there're a million reasons why something can freeze. :/05:55
cleveri forgot the link to the site05:55
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GambaroniI've been trying to install Ubuntu using PXE. I've followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?action=show&redirect=PXEInstall and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/install-tftp.html. I get an IP, but when TFTP tries to fetch data, it says: "TFTP open timeout".05:55
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clevershirish: my rtl card had its module blacklisted causing minor problems05:56
shirishhidan: true but one of the most common reasons for freezing is memory failures, then of course there is the grounding issue as described there05:56
cleverbut commenting the blacklist 'fixed' it05:56
cleverbut ive now noticed that its become unstable05:56
shirishclever: you have a realtek ethernet card?05:56
cleveronce every 10-20mins the network seems to fully die05:56
cleverand after 10 seconds it comes back to life05:56
hidanshirish: interestingly enough, though, when I stopped using all browsers built on mozilla, i only had one freeze after that. And that was when ah... i was right-clicking on something.05:56
clever06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20)05:56
shirishclever: ok cool, are u sure its not the network-manager applet which is showing u this, have u checked the network monitor?05:57
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cleveri have a network moniter icon on the gnome-panel05:57
cleverand the icon is changing when i notice a delay in ssh sessions05:57
cleverthe delay i beleive is caused by sudden 100% packet loss05:58
DanaGGibbon is fine, but "Gutsy" is a bit odd.05:58
shirishclever: odd, it never happened to me, but then mine worked fine for the moment go05:58
cleverafter a few seconds it comes back to working05:58
shirishclever: could it be a DNS server issue perhaps?05:58
cleveryou would ned to be monitering it very close05:58
cleverisnt dns05:58
cleverall tcp connections suddenly freeze05:58
DanaGI have a IT 5in1.05:59
shirishclever: i have both the system monitor as well as network monitor so it shows my network connections easy05:59
DanaGThere are many duplicate bugs about it not working.05:59
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hidanshirish: oh well... gotta complain about about computers sometimes.05:59
cleveri think these lines from dmesg may be part of the cause05:59
clever[44328.304000]  rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 10 bf failed!05:59
shirishclever: perhaps you can try one thing, try downloading some torrent something which has lotta seeds05:59
clever[44826.096000]  rtl8180: WW:Phy writing 3 20 failed!05:59
cleveri can seed a torrent05:59
cleverallready got the file on the pc06:00
cleverbut i can cause much more trafic if i use somethign on the local lan06:00
clevernetwork maxing out:)06:00
shirishclever: which means the network card is ok as well as ubuntu is talking cool06:01
cleverim also running a graph thru X11 forwarding06:01
shirishclever: it might be the ssh thing which might be the issue06:01
cleverwhich updates once a second06:01
cleveri think irc also freezes too06:01
hidanshirish: hmmm... man. do you think i should try running from an older kernel version of feisty? see if it still freezes?06:01
shirishclever: mine is an 8139 & it works like a charm06:02
DanaGHow can I get apt to prefer one mirror over another mirror?06:02
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shirishhidan: that is also a possibility06:02
DanaGI want to use both us.archive.ubuntu.com, and another mirror, which is local but often out of date.06:02
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cleveri have a gnome-panel running thru X11 forwarding to moniter another box06:03
shirishDanaG: lemme know if you find answer to a riddle like that06:03
hidanshirish: okay thank you. xD06:03
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clevershirish: oops i think my ctrlproxy also crashed:P06:03
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hidanshirish: think i'll go reinstall my graphic drivers now. :)  see you soon! :)06:03
shirishclever: i have no idea about forwarding06:03
cleveryep got the core dump i was looking for06:03
shirishhidan: take care babe ;)06:03
cleverdiff problem06:03
cleverthe forwarded X11 prog also freezes when the ssh sessions freeze06:04
hidanshirish: ty XD06:04
clevermaking me think all packets over the wifi are crashing06:04
shirishclever: ah its a wireless chip, I was thinking it was ethernet wired chipset06:04
blackestanyone know why gnome after logging out brings up the login screen twice?06:04
clevershirish: yeah wireless06:04
clever802.11 B06:05
shirishclever: did not know realtek is also making wireless chipsets06:05
cleverits labled as linksys on the card itself06:05
cleverbut its allways been a rtl module working since 6.0606:05
zeroflagnow I got mirc running on linux...06:05
zeroflagand it's slow...06:05
shirishclever: are u from India by any chance? Linksys is big here06:05
clevershirish: canada:P06:05
shirishzeroflag: why mirc when gaim is here :P06:05
zeroflagquestion is: is it a) mIRC, b) gnome, c) wine or d) a combination...06:06
clevergaim is crappy for irc06:06
zeroflagshirish: because gaim doesn't like my bnc.06:06
cleveri perfer irssi for irc on linux06:06
shirishclever: I like it much thank you06:06
cleverzeroflag: my bnc is core dumping randomly atm:P06:06
DanaGOh, I see, swiftfox had made itself default.06:06
DanaGI removed swiftfox because no pango == ugly text.06:07
DanaGbnc?  What's that?06:07
cleverthe bnc program connects to irc06:07
cleverand then the irc client connects to the bnc06:07
zeroflagmy beryl sometimes turns every window black.06:08
cleverand if your irc client closes your nick stays online06:08
zeroflagincluding menus and everything.06:08
thoreauputicDanaG: I can't see the point of swiftfox - a few about:config tweaks do pretty much the same thing06:08
zeroflagalways have to restart X. :/06:08
zeroflagany idea?06:08
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clevershirish: got a clock running thru X11 forwarding now06:08
DanaGSame here -- it was not significantly faster.06:08
DanaGNow, if I could get a Firefox 3 deb.....06:08
clevershirish: and its set to show seconds so i'll notice when it starts to freeze06:08
DanaGthat one IS faster.06:08
shirishDanaG: how do u know its faster?06:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about python - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:09
DanaGOr, at least, it doesn't freeze as much.06:09
tovellaclever: wow, i had a flashback to the days of old - when bnc was reference to an old network card connector (band N collar) i think.06:09
thoreauputiczeroflag: are you using an nvidia card? There's a setting in beryl prefs that causes black screening with nvidia06:09
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cleveryeah i think i still have a few bnc network connectors06:09
DanaGTry using Adblock Plus, and open 10 tabs of http://dailytech.com06:09
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DanaGI still think BNC is a connector.06:10
DanaGWhat else would it be?06:10
frandavid100how can I make Openoffice use the tango icons?06:10
zeroflagthoreauputic: yeah I'm using nvidia. where's that option?06:10
andre_plberyl stopped working for me recently. over the past 2 or 3 dyas worth of updates probably.06:10
crdlb!blackwindows-#ubuntu-effects | zeroflag06:10
ubotuzeroflag: This essentially happens when you run out of video memory. The only known workaround for this until it is fixed in the nVidia driver is to start beryl with --use-copy or "Copy Rendering" from beryl-manager.06:10
tovellaDanaG: i don't think anybody uses it anymore, though.06:10
shirishDanaG: i am already running Adblock Plus & do have 10 tabs of sites06:10
thoreauputiczeroflag: I'll have to dig...06:10
cleverand there locks up the network06:11
cleverwas dead for atleast 15 seconds06:11
DanaGBNC is also used for long runs of VGA.06:11
cleverand when the X11 forwarded clock came to life a couple irc msgs poped up at once06:11
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thoreauputiczeroflag: it says users with this problem should turn off blur effects06:12
zeroflagcrdlb: my graphics card has 320MB of ram. I doubt beryl fills that within minutes.06:12
zeroflagthoreauputic: already did that.06:12
clevershirish: got tail -f on a log file which i beleive is related06:12
crdlbzeroflag, nvidia's driver has a broken t_f_p implementation06:12
thoreauputiczeroflag: OK - well I don't know then, sorry06:12
crdlbit does06:12
crdlbzeroflag, if you're not using 9755 (nvidia-glx-new) and your card supports it, I'd upgrade06:13
crdlb9755 doesn't fix the problem, but it helps it06:13
tovellai see that 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is back to detecting video cards.06:13
shirishclever: I have no ideas about wireless cards, sorry06:14
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zeroflagcrdlb: just 3 hours ago I compiled the newest driver package myself.06:14
crdlbzeroflag, you installed it manually?06:15
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crdlbyou realize it's in the repos right?06:15
zeroflagcrdlb: I have no idea why the package didn't work. I probably forgot to load it into kernel or something...06:15
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SlimeyPeteyou have to run nvidia-xconfig after installing the package.06:16
zeroflagthat doesn't upgrade the kernel afaik.06:16
SlimeyPeteI dunno why apt doesn't just do that for you tbh06:16
SlimeyPeteno, indeed. Just xorg.conf06:16
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zeroflagmy xorg.conf is perfect as it is.06:16
SlimeyPetebut the package should install the kernel module, in theory.06:16
zeroflagI don't want that stupid tool to mess with it, again.06:16
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zeroflagwell, it "installs" it. but the kernel doesn't care/use it.06:17
crdlbdid you install l-r-m-generic ?06:17
wolfeonwill the 7.04 release have subpixel rendering enabled?(cleartype)06:17
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zeroflagI think it's a dependency of the nvidia package.06:17
SlimeyPetezeroflag: sometimes the restricted-modules package gets out-of-sync with the nvidia package in feisty, maybe that's happened again.06:17
zeroflagbut yes, I had the restricted modules.06:17
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zeroflagwell, the kernel module was some ancient 7xxx version, X module was 9755.06:18
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zeroflaghad to compile it myself to get kernel to 9755.06:18
usher_Something is going haywire with my computer screen06:18
usher_locking up and crazy lines going across it06:18
usher_have had to rebstart it manually 4 or 5 times in the last hour06:18
SlimeyPetedoes this happen in Windows?06:19
usher_SlimeyPete: no06:19
shirishI just tried irssi & did not like it all, just like xchat, very plain jane, I am sure though there are hidden jewels once people get into it06:19
SlimeyPeteusher_: what graphics card? Sounds like a driver bug.06:20
hyljeirssi is very simple06:20
hyljebut it indeed has hidden jewels06:20
=== SlimeyPete rather likes it *because* it's plain, but each to their own :)
SlimeyPetealso, you can run it in screen :)06:20
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wolfeonsubpixel rendering isn't activated by default?06:21
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wolfeonI mean06:22
wolfeoncompiled in06:22
usher_SlimeyPete: the only time it happens in windows is when I have too much power being pulled from the PSU, for example - if I plug all 7 of my fans in, and then try to play a PC game.. it does this, but in Linux it just started happening yesterday and today06:22
usher_NVIDIA GS 680006:22
usher_it never did this w/ previous versions of Ubuntu06:22
usher_If I put my resolution in 800x600, I don't seem to have the problem - but if I put it back in 1024x768, it happens again06:23
usher_SlimeyPete: run it in screen ?06:23
usher_I use Xchat06:23
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treqanyone been able to install vmware 1.02 on feisty?06:26
SlimeyPeteusher_: yeah. Google for "gnu screen". It's a program which allows you to open a virtual terminal (or 2, or 3, or 9....), execute programs within said terminal and then detach & leave the programs running in the background. When you re-attach the screen, all your programs pop back up.06:26
SlimeyPeteusher_: I use it to keep my irssi session running 24/7. I can log in from anywhere and re-attach to the same irssi :)06:27
usher_hmm cool idea06:27
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feistymandoes anyone know the code for the real audio plugin?06:31
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hidanomg i sorta borked up my monitor's resolution settings when resetting xorg.conf  how do i reset it?06:32
thoreauputicfeistyman: nobody but Real know the code for real audio - it's closed06:32
thoreauputicfeistyman: or did I misunderstand you?06:33
feistymanI mean, for ther plugin06:33
feistymanThoreauputic, I want it to work with the totom player06:33
shirishok guys anybody here knows about info?06:34
thoreauputicfeistyman: I have the best luck with mplayer and the mozilla-mplayer plugin06:34
thoreauputicfeistyman: on feisty the totem plugin does not do what it says on the tin, for me06:34
feistymanThoreauputic, did you delete totem from your system, or is it still there, not being used much?06:35
thoreauputicfeistyman: there used to be a totem-xine ff plugin, but as far as I can tell it no longer exists06:36
thoreauputicfeistyman: i use totem - I just uninstalled the totem plugin06:36
thoreauputicfeistyman: totem works quite well 'standalone"06:36
feistymanSo you get all your stuff thru Mplayer?06:36
thoreauputicin firefox, mosly yes06:37
thoreauputicfeistyman: for files I use whatever works best - vlc, mplayer or totem06:37
feistymanIf I download mplayer, will it play real audio files?06:38
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thoreauputicfeistyman: on my iBook laptop with feisty, vlc seems best for DVDs06:38
thoreauputicfeistyman: mplayer can play real media, yes06:38
thoreauputicfeistyman: perhaps not all ( i don't know)06:39
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SlimeyPeteif you install the w32codecs (naughty naughty), mplayer will have a pretty good go at most files. It used to do realaudio last time I tried but that was ages ago and Real may have changed their format since.06:39
thoreauputicfeistyman: there is also a non-free real player of course06:39
thoreauputicSlimeyPete: well, it plays the BBC and the .au ABC real audio streams at least :)06:40
feistymanIs there a free linux real audio player?06:40
thoreauputicSlimeyPete: actually mplayer seems to use ffmpeg for most of the win and real streams now06:40
thoreauputicfeistyman: free as in beer, yes06:41
thoreauputicfeistyman: unfree as in freedom06:41
feistymangot it.06:41
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thoreauputicSlimeyPete: I can even play them on ppc without w32codecs, mostly :)06:42
feistymanI'm downloading mplayer now06:42
thoreauputicmplayer for i386-686 etc is very good06:42
thoreauputicthe current ppc version is borked ( I rolled my own on the iBook)06:43
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hidanoh man is there anybody here who knows how to reset your monitor sync rates and stuff in xorg.conf ?06:45
poningruhidan: dpkg-reconfigure -priority=high xorg-server06:45
poningruor not sure about that package name though06:46
poningruso it might be something like xorg-server-common or soemthing06:46
lazka"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"06:46
jussi01sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:46
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thoreauputicthat's xserver-xorg and I would use -plow06:46
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thoreauputic-phigh does almost nothing :)06:46
elvirolohi all06:46
zeroflaghmm, I can't mount my ntfs volumes...06:47
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ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse06:47
zeroflagError org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy.06:47
lazkazeroflag, have you tried ntfs-config06:47
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shirishdoes anybody know if info is being deprecated or something?06:47
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:47
gilsi am having issues with aMSN suddenly....cant it get it to load properly. and it takes 90% processor power06:47
gilsany new issues with aMSN?06:48
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PWillwoo! Gutsy Gibbon!06:48
elvirologils: let me try06:48
thoreauputicshirish: if you mean the GNU info pages, Debian distros don't seem to use them much06:48
feistymanthoreauputic, I can't get mplayer to play anything. it opens, but there is no sound06:48
thoreauputicfeistyman: what architecture are you on? 386?06:48
shirishthoreauputic: yup that was what I meant, for sometimes man is not enough :(06:48
imdzmy network doesn't work, i have to use "sudo /etc/init.d/networking force-reload" to make it work :\06:49
gilshmmmm works ok now. Forget it06:49
thoreauputicshirish: i think the GNU home pages have links to most of the info manuals06:49
hidanokay thank you guys, i will restart X and see if things work.06:49
thoreauputicfeistyman: other players are giving you sound?06:49
shirishthoreauputic: I was thinking how I can have them on the hdd, so I can read about them, I do have the info package installed06:49
thoreauputicfeistyman: have you installed all the codecs you might need ?06:50
elvirolohas anyone experienced occasional freezes?06:50
gilscan i VNC and SSH into ubuntu simultaneously?06:50
thoreauputic!codecs | feistyman06:50
ubotufeistyman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:50
feistymanwhat codecs? I installed a bunch that work with totem. Would they be the same?06:50
thoreauputicgils: i don't see why not - they are separate servers06:51
gilsok great thanks06:51
elvirolohas anyone had problems with cupsys ?06:51
shirishhidan: no progress ?06:51
thoreauputicfeistyman: read the page ubotu linked above06:51
lazkasomething about launchpad: how do I get devs to have a look at my bug..06:51
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gilslater folks, much appreciated as always.06:51
shirishlazka: point a gun at them :P06:51
zeroflagis there any way to make nautilus use sudo for mounting?06:52
thoreauputicfeistyman: you might want to install w32codecs ( if it's legal in your part of the world, of course... *grin*)06:52
finalbetalazka: get lucky. Just try to add as much information you can (that can be usefull)06:52
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elviroloI hope the final release with be delayed, because there are still loads of bugs to fix...06:52
lazkafinalbeta, i got >10 people having the same problems and 4 duplicates.. but no dev comment :(06:53
hidanshirish: huh going to install the updates now...06:53
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shirishhidan: cool06:53
thoreauputicelvirolo: there are always loads of bugs to fix...06:53
finalbetalazka: the resume image bug?06:53
shirishlazka: what is the bug?06:53
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lazkafinalbeta, no.. LITE-ON drives don't work with the current kernel06:53
shirishbugs > developers06:54
elvirolothoreauputic: yes, but this time some of them are really critical ... feisty completely freezes from time to time for many people06:54
shirishlazka: damn, you had to say that, I have a LITE-ON drive which hasn't been tried yet06:54
ZambeziAfter upgrading my server to Fesity, Feisty thinks my ATA-drives are SCSI. Why?06:54
thoreauputicelvirolo: yes - I know for example there have been X issues with nvidia drivers etc06:55
elvirolothoreauputic: yup06:55
lazkashirish, i don't know if it affects every LITE-ON but they are the only ones06:55
shirishZambezi: there has been a name change06:55
finalbetalazka: That's probably because of the "neww" libata. Personally my laptop doesn't boot if I have my CD drive in it. Feisty is going to be a regression when it comes to hardware support. I'm sure the devs are looking at it though.06:55
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ubotuTo see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)06:55
thoreauputicelvirolo: the nvidia drivers have been rolled back to an earlier version because of this06:55
hidanshirish: yeah finally fixed my video card issues. Also, hmmm... bah. oh, i just recalled something again... yesterday, after we brought the computer home from the pc repair shop, i found out the graphics card wasn't seated properly so there were problems trying to boot up the pc into ubuntu.06:55
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Zambezishatrat, So it's still right? No need to worry?06:55
elvirolothoreauputic: well my system freezes after some time, but i don't have an nvidia card06:56
feistymanthoreauputic, how do i install the w32codecs ?06:56
hidanshirish: man, i wonder if i corrupted the drivers or if the card has issues now. :p06:56
shatratZambezi, panic06:56
Menathe knetwork manager has been updated but yet it wont conect06:56
shirishZambezi: its shirish nope, nothing to worry06:56
lazkafinalbeta, i still dont know why they activated libata just 1 version before RC...06:56
thoreauputic!w32codecs | feistyman06:56
ubotufeistyman: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs06:56
shirishlazka: I think it was done in edgy not now06:56
zeroflagwtf? why don't I have permission to use my freshly mounted hdds?06:56
shirishatleast from the wiki06:56
shirishzeroflag: did u upgrade?06:57
finalbetashirish: looking at the specs page and the timing of the sda versus hda thing, I would say it was done little over a month ago.06:57
Menai mean it says no network device found although i am conected to the internet06:57
feistymanthoreauputic, is !w32codecs supposed to come up in the add / remove programs area?06:57
lazkazeroflag, so, did you try ntfs-config? it will configure everything so you will have permissions even with usb-harddisks..06:57
thoreauputicMena: known bug - it usually shows correctly if you disconnect/connect06:58
thoreauputicMena: not nice though, i know06:58
shirishfinalbeta: did not look at that close06:58
Menathoreauputic, OK06:58
thoreauputicfeistyman: no06:58
shirishfinalbeta: although it still needs lot of work to be done for hdd performance to increase06:58
thoreauputicfeistyman: it's legally dodgy06:58
finalbetashirish: Performance it the least of my worries, I would love it if my machines booted.06:59
feistymanSo I'm not sure what to do then.06:59
zeroflaglazka: I had to run it via sudo so I guess it set it up for root.06:59
hidanshirish: man this is why i hate computers sometimes... so many problems, so many things to fix. :/06:59
thoreauputicfeistyman: but installing it is trivial - just follow ubotu's link06:59
shirishhidan: love them, hate them cannot live without them06:59
lazkazeroflag, hmm.. sudo is normal.. weird07:00
shirishfinalbeta: so they are not booting, are u able to chroot to them?07:00
hidanshirish: Auughhh... it's like... the nightmare case of the mother-in-law07:00
shirishhidan: lucky me no m-i-l ;)07:00
lazkazeroflag, did you reboot?07:00
hidanshirish: same here07:00
thoreauputicfeistyman: just download seveas' package and double click it - gdebi should pop up and ask you if you want to install it07:00
hidanshirish: i have no intentions of getting married for life. xD07:01
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thoreauputicfeistyman: read the wiki page ubotu's factoid pointed at07:01
finalbetashirish: If I remove the CD drive it boots. It also has 2 others stalls in the boot process making it take over 20 minutes to boot up with CD drive, and +-3 minutes without.07:01
shirishhidan: same here07:01
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shirishfinalbeta: so that is the bug, here it works without any issues, actually I mounted couple of CDs and they came out alright07:01
zeroflaglazka: do I have to? oO07:02
shirishfinalbeta: I have a lite-on DVD-drive07:02
finalbetashirish: yeah, I know....07:02
treqwhy i can't find gnome-system-monitor on the repositories? are they removed in fiesty?07:02
hidanshirish: to all those pro-abstinence people, mmm... i just hope they didn't get more than they bargained for, if everyone decides to NOT marry ever lol07:02
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feistymanThoreauputic, I don't see anything there for feisty07:02
shirishhidan: lol, not by a long-shot , its like doing the pro bono cases07:02
thoreauputictreq: System - Administration - system Monitor07:03
lazkazeroflag, i think so... at least i worked here.07:03
thoreauputictreq: it's there by default....07:03
lazkazeroflag, *it07:03
_NeilNo pidgin? What /is/ fiesty+1?07:03
_NeilLike SP1 or something?07:03
shirishfurther I do think we are masochists , the free software guys, like little bit of pain07:03
hidanshirish: pro bono ? what does that have to do with pro abstinence?07:03
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thoreauputicfeistyman: the codecs are just codecs - you can install any w32codecs packae - preferably the most recent one07:04
shirishhidan: pro bono cases are those cases which are fought by lawyers without charging money07:04
_NeilWhat exactly is fiesty+1?07:04
hidanshirish: aye i know what that be but... what's that to do with pro-abstinence, man?07:04
shirishjust a moment07:04
hidanfeisty +1 = gutsty gibbon!07:04
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thoreauputicfeistyman: I used one I already had from dapper or edgy, I forget which :)07:04
jeangood afternoon folks07:04
shirish_Neil: ubuntu as well as many of the linux distros. follow a 6 month regiment07:04
lazka_Neil, 7.1007:04
shirish_Neil: regimen07:05
feistymanI'll see what I can do.07:05
_Neilok, thanks guys07:05
shirish_Neil: which means the newest programs in development people get to see every 6 months07:05
thoreauputicfeistyman: just grab the .deb, download, install07:05
shirishThe MS people have a long head-start so we have to play catch-them & leap forward07:06
feistymanI'm still looking thru all this stuff to find it07:06
jeanI just finished my upgrade to 7.10 and I am having some difficulties,   when it restarts I get a prompt telling me that apt is not available and to apt-get install apt ...   which doesn'T work,  and I have to  type reboot  to get into the desktop,   my /home partition doesn't get mounted and I am basicaly stuck in the default install, more or less07:06
shirishhidan: lost the logic now, it was there a moment ago, I must be aging by the second now07:07
jeanodly enought my passwork /usr name still work07:07
hidanshirish: yeah i got kinda confused too lol07:07
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lazkajean, maybe check your fstab07:07
shirishanyway my excuse is I have not found the woman of my dreams, whats yours?07:07
jeanlazka,  fstab is still as it is , # Entry for /dev/sda3 :07:08
jeanUUID=4bbfa114-beb5-4512-b071-393396006db8 /home ext3 defaults 0 207:08
hidanshirish: none... all the problems about AIDS/STDS, etc. geez... these days, it's frightening. :p07:08
jeanlazka,  actually none of my partitions seem to mount where they are suppose to07:09
shirishah you mean the other things, no I meant the M word - marriage, that kinda shocks the system07:09
lazkajean, hm.. i remember seeing similar bugreports in launchpad..07:09
hidanshirish: hmph not interested in either gender :p07:09
jeanlazka,  can you direct me to launcpad ?07:09
shirish!launchpad | jean07:10
ubotujean: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/07:10
shirishhidan: same here but that is because I am obsessed with ubuntu atm, when I go trekking, travelling its a different matter altogether07:10
hidanshirish: ahaha i see ^^07:10
thoreauputicfeistyman: this should work: wget http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/edgy-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb07:11
shirishyup, also give some tutions sometimes to get pocket money on open source07:11
lazkajean, launchpad is damn slow here today.. takes almost 2 minutes for one page..07:11
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shirishlazka: same here :(07:11
lazkajean, jsut search for the errormessage07:11
jeanlazka,  any suggestion for a search string ?07:11
shirishhidan: I love open spaces, especially mountains07:12
jeanI'm gonna need to reboot07:12
feistymanThoreauputic, I installed the codes. It says it was successful. I haven't been able to see if it works yet. The site I tried, was a "no." I wish I could text another07:12
hidanshirish: lucky you. :p Singapore doesn't have mountains and it's soo hot most times of the year, most people prefer to be where the air-conditioning is.07:13
thoreauputicfeistyman: you restarted firefox, right ? and you installed mozilla-mplayer?07:13
thoreauputicfeistyman: you need mozilla-mplayer as well ( it isn't magic)07:13
shirishhidan: perhaps in few months I might be re-locating to a place which is nearer to the Himalayas, although mountains are also near me, but Himalayas are way way better07:13
feistymanI installed mplayer, from the add / remove area of ubunut07:13
hidanshirish: you kidding me?! btw, were you born in India or some other country? :)07:14
feistymanIs that good enough, or should it come from somewhere else.07:14
thoreauputicfeistyman:  type   sudo aptitude install mozilla-,player  in a terminal07:14
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shirishhidan: born, bred & loving it Indian07:14
thoreauputicum that should be moxailla-mplayer, sorry feistyman07:14
thoreauputicfeistyman: that was wrong too :)07:15
feistymancan you type it again07:15
thoreauputicfeistyman:  mozilla-mplayer07:15
Lunar_LampI've just upgraded to feisty on my server install, from edgy.  I have a /boot partition then a LVM2 setup.  I can't boot now as it just doesn't recognise the partition for some reason.07:15
shirishfeistyman: it should be sudo aptitude install mozilla-mplayer guys07:15
thoreauputicsudo aptitude install mozilla-mplayer07:15
hidanshirish: huh...07:15
_NeilCan I download a live CD to test feisty?07:15
thoreauputicshirish: yeah, i need typing lessons ;)07:15
_NeilAnyone :D07:16
shirish!uuid | Lunar_Lamp07:16
ubotuLunar_Lamp: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)07:16
busfahrer_Neil: Sure, check ubuntu.com07:16
shirishhidan: sorry had to digress there, means I am an indian07:16
hidanshirish: for me, sometimes, i wonder why i was born in Singapore. Okay, life here is pretty good but man, in terms of civil rights and press freedom, we're pretty bad. How about this, man? it's like we're 40++ points above North korea in terms of press freedom. :p07:16
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hidanshirish: oh i actually got you. just that my sentence was pretty long.07:17
feistymanThanks, I installed it. I guess I'll give it a whirl07:17
_Neilbusfahrer: Can I only get the beta as livecd, or the RC too?07:17
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_Neiloh my bad, the RC was rejected wasnt it?07:17
shirishhidan: I heard you the other day, we are pretty good here but that I guess I said that day also07:17
thoreauputicfeistyman: that combo should work for most sites07:17
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hidanshirish: ah sorry, my brains just don't remember much.07:17
busfahrer_Neil: Sorry, not sure about that07:17
shirish_Neil: you can get a current CD if you want to download07:17
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lazka_Neil, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/07:17
feistymanI'm trying. Thanks for your help07:18
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thoreauputicfeistyman: no worries - do read the restricted formats wiki page though07:18
_Neilthanks guys, assuming I can run update manager even though its a livecd to get it up to the latest?07:18
lazka_Neil, that's probably RC07:18