tepsipakkiI don't think that the UYVY-bug is important enough to basically update radeon_video.c from git-master12:13
Mirvnope, if it requires that. I'll reopen the bug in malone, btw.12:18
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tepsipakkiMirv: yep, thanks12:20
tepsipakkisoon we'll have 6.6.191 (or newer) anyway ;)12:20
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ograedubuntu amd64 server and addon are fine 12:27
dokoogra: don't need to test this one?12:30
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ogradoko: CD12:34
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mdzgood evening12:57
mvogood evening mdz12:59
mdzmvo: how do things look?01:01
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mvomdz: good so far, I send you a mail earlier01:03
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mdzmvo: the one to tollef, or a different one?01:06
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mvomdz: that one to tollef that I CCed you, he asked about the upgrade test status01:08
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mvoogra: LP is a bit slow today for me too 01:08
ogramvo, 20min for one bug ?01:09
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mdzmvo: right, ok01:10
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stgraberIs anyone working on this bug : bug 105573 ?01:37
ubotuMalone bug 105573 in network-manager "gnome NetworkManager doesn't see any wired or wireless network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10557301:37
stgraberI just come accross it after an update ...01:37
stgraberhmm, just found where the problem come from, no need to check it :)01:38
cjwatsonmdz: you know, I think that x-ttcidfont-conf bug may simply be that defoma-app is widdling all over stdout and confusing debconf01:39
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Arbycjwatson: can you spare a moment to look at bug 99908.01:53
ubotuMalone bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9990801:53
Arbyjust happened to me with kubuntu 20070411 build01:53
cjwatsonArby: much of the problem seems to be that you're low on memory01:54
Kmosbug 10523401:55
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523401:55
Kmossomeone need to fix this01:55
Kmos8 duplicates01:55
Arbycjwatson: fair enough as long as that's all it is.01:55
cjwatsonafter my earlier comment I realised my suggestion to edit commit.d/30parted was bogus, as update-dev is called by a later script01:55
cjwatsonArby: it's not entirely clear01:55
cjwatsonbut there are definitely signs in syslog of things failing due to out-of-memory, or processes being killed, or whatever01:55
cjwatsonif that's what it is then the installer should still respond more gracefully01:56
xtknighthow do i get gnome network manager to show up in my systray?01:56
Arbycjwatson: anything else I can do?01:56
xtknightah it was  /usr/bin/nm-applet 01:58
Arbycjwatson: as long as your happy it's not a show stopper it can be dealt with $later01:58
ArbyI just wanted to check01:58
cjwatsonArby: add more memory and see if it still happens? :-)01:58
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cjwatsonI think it probably isn't a showstopper, as I believe it's the only report I've received of this form01:59
Arbycjwatson: pass some over then :)01:59
Arbycjwatson: fair enough01:59
cjwatsonthough that doesn't mean I'm dismissing it01:59
Arbythat's fine it just doens't need to be chased at this late stage01:59
Arbyas long as I know I'm fine with that02:00
Arbyif you want me to try anything in future just shout.02:00
cjwatsonwill do, thanks02:01
cjwatsonmdz: can you reproduce that weird debconf-related hang at will? as in if you do the same install again does it still happen?02:02
cjwatsonmdz: if so, I'd appreciate /var/log/syslog from an installation attempt with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer set on the kernel command line02:03
mjg59cjwatson: Can I upload a new hotkey-setup? I'm not actually too fussed as to whether it's accepted for feisty (though it's approximately no-risk), but i'd rather have it sitting in a queue than depending on me remembering to upload it again when +1 is open02:08
mjg59(Or does the queue not work that way?)02:08
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Monk-eFujitsu, i think it's already named. But I don't know the name.02:22
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shawarmaWho are the soc mentors?02:39
shawarmaThey're wanted on slashnet..02:39
shawarma...or anyone who can speak on their behalf.02:39
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BenCanyone here experiencing bug #82314?02:53
ubotuMalone bug 82314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "pata driver in libata not mounting /home" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8231402:53
BenCbasically Host Protected Area drives not being supported by libata-pata02:54
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xtknightabout bug 105234 and duplicates: i think i have a fix.  i'm not certain it's not a "hack", but brief testing shows that it works fine and even if it is slightly hacky i dont believe it has any other side effects.  should i post & have someone else review this?03:13
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523403:13
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xtknightmay anyone who knows about NetworkManager take a look at this patch (last comment)?  bug 10523403:37
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523403:37
mjg59xtknight: What timezone are you on?03:39
mjg59Most developers have hit bed, so tomorrow is almost certainly a better bet03:39
xtknighteastern US Wed Apr 11 9:39pm03:39
mjg59Ask Mithrandir about it tomorrow - he's been looking at NM a little03:40
mjg59But he's pretty busy, so don't expect an immediate response03:40
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rpereiraDoes someone know which part of Launchpad is GPL and which part it isn't?04:49
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mptrpereira, that question is better addressed to #launchpad04:59
mptoh, nm, you're there already :-)05:00
rpereirampt: yes, after I posted here, I used my brain.... :)05:00
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Enola_Gayhi all07:19
Enola_GayDoes anyone know when the RC will be released?07:20
fabbionewhen it's ready07:23
Enola_GaySo it isn't?07:23
fabbionei haven't said that :)07:24
Enola_GayDoes the yesterday daily live build has any disadvantage? 07:24
TreenaksIf you can install, you can always upgrade :)07:25
Enola_GaySo theoretically they are build like the rc or beta candidate?07:25
Treenaksafaik, all CD images are the same.. it's just that some images get to be blessed into 'Beta' images etc.07:25
Enola_Gaycool, thanks07:26
Enola_GayThan the RC can be released when it is ready ;)07:26
fabbioneyesterday's image might be RC..might be not07:26
fabbionebut for sure they are pretty good07:26
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Enola_GayIf only some packages differ it is no real problem. It just should have no disadvantages for upgrading.07:27
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pygiI would like to congratulate everybody who got into SoC, so congrats folks ^_^07:28
Enola_GayThanks and cu all.07:28
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mdkeMithrandir: I think bug 82335 reappeared yesterday. If not, another bug with the same symtoms :)08:05
ubotuMalone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8233508:05
Mithrandirmdke: no, that's intentional.  Apps think they're offline, but the NM doesn't manage any devices in that case, so it thinks it's offline.08:06
mdkeMithrandir: well, you originally fixed that bug... the fix was reverted intentionally?08:07
mdkeall I know if that I have a big fat icon in my panel which tells me I have no network devices. That can't be a good thing08:08
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Mithrandirmdke: does gaim and epiphany believe you are online or offline?08:08
mdkeMithrandir: no, that part is ok08:08
Mithrandirthen the fix is working correctly.08:10
mdkeit's just the icon which is wrong08:10
Mithrandirnot really, it should just read "no managed devices" and not "no devices"08:10
mdkewhat's the point of that?08:11
mdkesurely the whole point of the n-m icon is to allow people to quickly configure their network devices08:11
mdkeI was really loving it for switching wifi networks08:11
mdkenow I can't :(08:11
Mithrandirhm, you have a static, wired eth0 and an dhcp, wireless eth1?08:12
Mithrandirif so, it should list the wireless interface.08:12
mdkedhcp everything08:13
mdkeeven so, it seems that even people using static shouldn't get that red exclamation mark in their panel telling them something is wrong08:14
mdkes/seems/seems to me08:14
mdkeoh, and the mouseover message is "No network connection"08:15
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Mithrandircan you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere?08:16
mdkeMithrandir: ok. http://pastebin.ca/435901 - I've taken out all the white lines.08:17
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mdkedunno what eth2, ath0 and wlan0 are - I don't have any of those08:17
Mithrandir"wireless-essid belkin54g" is a kind of static configuration and NM won't touch it because of that.08:17
Mithrandirbut it should list eth0 in the list, but it might be greyed out if you don't have a cable plugged in08:18
Hobbseehow's the testing going?  kubuntu, specifically?08:18
mdkeMithrandir: that's fine. My point is, n-m is wrong to tell people they don't have a network connection, and the whole point of that icon is that i provides them with a good indication of whether their network is up or not.08:19
mdkeuntil yesterday, I mean08:19
Mithrandirmdke: except it doesn't when you have weird setups and those kind of weird setups were more common than I thought08:20
mdkeMithrandir: was there something wrong with the way it was working since you fixed the bug and until the last upgrade? because loads of people commented on the bug report saying that their weird setups were being properly recognised08:21
mdkecertainly mine started working again08:22
Mithrandirit broke with ipv6, for instance.  And it broke with mappings, and it broke LTSP and other cases where NM thought it could handle it, but couldn't.08:23
mdkeI see08:23
mdkethanks for explaining that 08:23
mdkeso, the icon should be fixed08:24
Mithrandirso I would have loved not to have gone back on this, but I think a small retreat is better than having something that breaks for lots of people.08:24
bimberibug 105234 might be relevant?  In particular comment 32 (xtknight's tentatively submitted patch)08:25
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523408:25
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sidI purged linux-restricted-modules-common; and I can't apt-get install it back. There is no installation candidate.08:26
mdkeMithrandir: yep. We just need to make sure that people who's interfaces n-m can't handle aren't seeing the icon; maybe even show them the old Gnome icon that works properly08:26
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Mithrandirmdke: but you aren't seeing your wired interface at all in the dropdown list?08:28
mdkeMithrandir: no. It says "no network devices have been found" and "no network connection" in the mouseover. (my eth1 is up)08:28
mdkethe Gnome icon tells me I'm up and running08:29
Mithrandirthat's weird.  I'll see if I can reproduce this on my laptop.08:30
mdkethanks. It's not so much my system that bothers me as in general though08:30
Mithrandirsomething else, ubuntu-docs still has the codename (feisty fawn) in the firefox home page, can we get rid of that and just refer to it as 7.04?08:30
mdkeyes, if you wish08:30
hilenm does not often understand the status of links it has not itself brought up or down 08:31
Mithrandirhile: which is why it's told to stay away from them.08:31
torkeleth0 and eth1 are not marked "auto". n-m requires that for them to show up, no?08:31
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bimberiGutsy Gibbon!08:31
mdkehile: that's fine. The problem is that it's giving a misleading impression to the users, and that the icon in the panel should tell *all* users whether they are up or down, as the Gnome icon does08:32
hileof course, but I think only bug here is that nm still shows it's icon while there are no interfaces it's supposed to manage?08:32
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hileah, not that, I got it08:32
Mithrandirhile: that would be an acceptable way to fix the bug, IMO.  If there are nothing to manage, it can just hide itself.08:32
hileyeah, as long as there is no menu entry in it 'look for network interfaces now'08:33
mdkeMithrandir: it's a fix. But it's a regression from Edgy, which had a working icon for all users08:33
hiledepends what you mean by working, I haven't had working wireless with default gnome app for long time :) 08:33
mdkeand given that the default homepage is offline, there's no easy way for people to find out if they are online or not, short of typing a website address08:34
hile... because I have used nm only for over a year08:34
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Mithrandirmdke: they're free to add the old applet if that works better with their setup.08:34
hilenm just isn't well enough integrated with debian-based systems, I think08:35
mdkeMithrandir: if they can (a) guess it exists, and (b) find it08:35
Mithrandirmdke: can you make sure the "About Ubuntu" page just has references to the version number too?08:35
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Mithrandirhile: but it'll never get there if we don't work on fixing that.08:35
mdkeMithrandir: it's not really a great time to do that - we'll break the translations. It's always contained the version number followed by the codename, afaik08:35
hileof course08:36
Mithrandirmdke: hmm08:36
mdkewe could sed through all the translations too, I guess08:36
Mithrandirmdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers claims otherwise.08:36
mdkeMithrandir: as a result of that, we put the version numbers first and the codename as secondary08:36
mdkebut I suppose we should remove them, it's just very late08:37
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Mithrandiryes, I should have noticed earlier, but didn't since I overlooked a checklist on my checklist.08:37
mdkeI can't take care of it today, I need to get to work asap08:38
Mithrandirok, see you.08:38
mdkemaybe someone else can do it08:38
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sidmdke: See if you can reproduce my bug. I didn't see it listed on launchpad.08:41
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mdkesid: I don't have time I'm afraid.08:49
mdkeMithrandir: thanks for your time08:49
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pittiGood morning08:50
pygimorning pitti 08:51
pittiMithrandir: ah, it just occured to me how this lrm-video bug broke X yesterday: nvidia_new gets modprobed automatically, and thus X.org cannot load nvidia or nvidia_legacy any more, and you get that ABI mismatch08:51
pittihi pygi08:51
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dholbachgood morning09:00
pittiargh, metacity hid my other xchat window again, brb09:04
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pittihey dholbach!09:04
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dokopitti, lifeless: please comment on bug 10576409:24
ubotuMalone bug 105764 in python2.5 "apport exception hook negatively impacts startup of python" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10576409:24
mneptok@lart 37 Mithrandir 09:26
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MithrandirHobbsee: both tickling and stomping.  Now, that's cheating.09:29
HobbseeMithrandir: why?09:29
highvoltageunfair advantage.09:29
pygiHobbsee, you know that won't work with me =)09:29
pygiHobbsee, I've got burning powers!09:29
Hobbseepygi: nto when you're being prodded inside...09:29
pygiHobbsee, won't help ya!09:29
pittihi Mithrandir 09:29
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Hobbseeheya pitti 09:30
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pygiHobbsee, I know all of your tricks. :)09:30
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zygagood morning everyone09:31
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pygiHobbsee, I won't be able to fix your cd-recording mess for kubuntu :P09:32
pygiMithrandir, thank you ^_^09:32
Hobbseepygi: oh dera.09:33
Hobbseepygi: well this is why you shouldnt eat people09:33
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pittiMithrandir: I did some tests and confirmed that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15189/ really does what it should10:00
pittiMithrandir: hmm, I just saw that BenC set the bug to fixcommitted already10:00
pittiMithrandir: however, there's nothing in unaccepted; is this good to upload?10:01
BenCpitti: I just did an upload about an hour ago10:01
Mithrandirpitti: please.10:01
pittiBenC: oh, weird; I checked unaccepted before starting with this10:01
BenCbut I never got an accepted email, so feel free to reupload10:01
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pittiBenC: while testing this I noticed another oddity10:02
pittiBenC: lrm> ok, I assume it's more or less the same patch? (see paste)10:02
BenCyeah, same thing10:02
pittiBenC: regardless of whether I modprobe _legacy or _new, lsmod always shows 'nvidia'10:03
pittiBenC: this makes it hard to figure out which module is actually loaded (and makes r-m display the wrong thing)10:03
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pittiany idea why it does that? can the module change its name?10:03
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BenCpitti: odd, lsmod should always show the filename10:04
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pittiBenC: hmm, so I better teach r-m about this special case10:05
pittiMithrandir: ah, my l-r-m upload is in unapproved now10:06
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carlospitti: Is there any problem if we don't generate any language pack for two weeks after Feisty release?10:09
pitticarlos: no, that wouldn't hurt at all10:10
carlospitti: that applies to Dapper and Edgy too10:11
pitticarlos: you want to open the gutsy translations in that time?10:11
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carlosno, we are not going to do it so early10:11
carloswe need the server where the language packs are generated to handle the release load10:11
carlosso the server will be unavailable for the first two weeks10:12
pitticarlos: hm, but it would be good to open them early10:14
pitticarlos: feisty was a disaster10:15
carlospitti: I got the comprise with our translators in a public meeting to open it two months after Feisty + 1 opening10:15
Mithrandirwhat is the reason for not just opening it when feisty+1 opens, apart from the server load?10:16
carlosand once Feisty + 1 schedule is published, I will ask to include there when we expect to have translations open10:16
pitticarlos: hm, I still don't understand why we cannot open it right after release; it will take a long time right after release or right before beta10:16
carlosnot sure whether it's already published...10:16
pittiand right after release we don't need other tarballs so urgently10:16
carlospitti: maybe for feisty + 2 we could open it again after release, but with Debian sync the amount of files to imports will be huge, and we have another critical bug that we should address that makes hard to non ubuntu projects to use Rosetta while a huge Ubuntu import is in process10:18
pitticarlos: right, but you have to import these files anyway at some time10:18
carlospitti: also, translators asked us to delay it those two months until everything is a bit more stable with the version updates10:18
carlospitti: well, those two months will give us time to deploy the solution10:18
pitticarlos: hm10:18
pitticarlos: if we can rely on the two months this time, I can live with that10:19
Keybukcarlos: I'm just publishing the schedule now10:19
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Keybukcarlos: what date do you ned to know?10:19
carlosKeybuk: well, the idea is to add a 'Traslations open in Launchpad' two months after Feisty + 1 development starts, but I would like to see the calendar to agree on a date with kiko and other Rosetta developers10:20
carlosdo you have a draft?10:20
Keybukcarlos: no, I have the final schedule :p10:21
carlosok, URL?10:21
ograENOSEB :/10:21
Keybukwhy do we have to wait for two months?10:21
Keybukcarlos: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule10:21
Treenaksooh, release on my birthday :)10:22
carlosKeybuk: because translators asked to wait until all Debian sync is done and packages are moved from universe to main and the other way and new GNOME version is imported10:22
KeybukJune 21st for debian sync done10:22
carlosKeybuk: and for this concrete release, because, as explained to Martin, we need to fix a problem that blocks non unbuntu projects to import files while we handle the initial imports for a new distro10:23
carlosKeybuk: I guess then, we would open translations around that time10:24
fabbioneKeybuk: wow and the sprint doesn't even overlap with my holidays :)10:24
Keybukfabbione: this was deliberate :p10:24
Keybukit doesn't overlap with anyone's holiday afaik10:24
fabbioneKeybuk: eheheh10:24
Keybuk(or any conference)10:24
fabbioneKeybuk: i *knew* you couldn't live without me ;)10:25
carlosKeybuk: I will try to have a meeting with kiko today to discuss the final date and will send you it so you can add it to the schedule, ok?10:25
carlosthank you10:25
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siretartMithrandir: an news about the idea of removing broken binary packages (like unmet deps) from the (feisty) archive? I don't remember any feedback of this10:34
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Mithrandirsiretart: yes, we are not going to do it.10:36
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pittiMithrandir: I just committed a fix to bug 105812, see patch linked from the bug10:38
ubotuMalone bug 105812 in restricted-manager "nvidia_new and _legacy not detected as 'in use'" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10581210:38
siretartMithrandir: ok. 10:38
Mithrandirpitti: ok, looks good.10:39
pittiMithrandir: thanks, uploaded10:40
dokoogra: is the keyboard layout reset to english after installation of the ltsp chroot on edubuntu installs?10:40
SeveasKeybuk, gnome 2.12?!10:42
SeveasKeybuk, are we going back to warty? =)10:43
tsmithedamn Seveas i was about to say that!10:43
MezKeybuk, may I query ?10:43
Seveastsmithe, actually warty was 2.8, breezy was 2.1210:44
tsmithei dunno :P10:44
tsmithebut i was gonna say something along those lines ;)10:44
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ogradoko, hmm, is it right after first reboot ?10:45
dokoogra: no, noticed when entering the partition where to install grub10:45
ograand after first boot ?10:45
ograwrong or right ?10:45
cjwatsonmjg59: yes, feel free to drop things into the queue10:45
dokoogra: wrong10:46
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ograhmm, i could use  in gdm here ... weird10:46
dokopitti: ok to upload the apport change?10:46
pittidoko: hm?10:46
pranav_doko: ping10:47
dokoogra: I'll recheck after the meeting, but I'm sure I set the language to german10:47
ogradoko, are you really sure ?10:47
KeybukMez: sure, what's up?10:47
pittidoko: sorry, I didn't check the bug yet, overlooked it over my reboots10:47
dokopranav_: I don't know anything about SoC, sorry. Google will make things public soon10:47
KeybukSeveas: oops :p10:47
pranav_doko: he he it ok10:48
ograi can imagine that the run of console-setup in the chroot affects the server through /proc but that shouldnt change the /etc/default values for the host10:48
pranav_*its 10:48
ograso it *must* be the keymap thats set before chroot building starts after the first reboot ...10:48
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ograi wouldnt know a technical reason why it should stay non-german 10:49
dokoogra: checking agin10:49
pittidoko: erk, doesn't this require a new binary package, if you move the hook out of the apport/ module?10:50
dokopitti: why?10:50
pittidoko: also, apport_hook as a general module is really misleading, it should be python_apport_hook or so10:52
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pittidoko: since we have two other kinds of 'apport hooks' already10:52
henocjwatson: can you have a look at bug 105814 ?10:53
ubotuMalone bug 105814 in Ubuntu "fails to resize ntfs partition on virtualbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10581410:53
pittidoko: if the Python policy allows a python-foo package to ship components which are not in python package foo, then that's ok for me10:53
dokopitti: the file is now called apport_hook; I don't care how its called10:54
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pittidoko: otherwise I'd rather ship the file in apport itself10:54
dokopitti: not a policy issue at all10:54
dholbachhey seb12810:55
mvogood morning seb128!10:55
dokoseb128: you're late, slacker ;-P10:55
seb128hi dholbach, mvo, doko10:55
pittidoko: then let's call it apport_python_hook.py10:55
dokopitti: fine with me10:55
dholbachseb128: slap him :)10:55
seb128doko: I was around at 8am european time already, just not on IRC10:55
seb128cf my reply on the distro list :p10:56
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pittidoko: did you change anything in the file itself? the diff makes it hard to tell10:56
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dokodholbach: he would have to come to Berliiin, which will never happen :p10:56
seb128don't say never10:56
seb128we might have an UDS there one day ;)10:56
dokopitti: just prefixed the fileutils and report imports with apport.10:57
pittidoko: alright, I commit the change to the bzr with the new name, run some tests, and do the approval/upload jumping10:57
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pittidoko: right10:57
seb128pitti: is that known that software-properties is not translated?10:57
dokopitti: ok, let me know, so that I can change the pythonX.Y packages10:57
pittiseb128: bug 105611, will fix right after RC10:57
cjwatsonheno: see my comment10:57
pittidoko: will do10:57
ubotuMalone bug 105611 in langpack-o-matic "software-properties land in KDE pack" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10561110:58
pittidoko: thanks!10:58
seb128pitti: danke10:58
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seb128launchpad is slow for other people as well?10:58
fabbioneseb128: yes10:58
seb128it takes ages to load a page since yesterday :/10:58
pittiyes, sometimes; yesterday was horrible10:59
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ograseb128, my evo was evil to me today :/10:59
seb128ogra: like crashing?10:59
ograseems my line dropped overnight ... it showed me the online icon but didnt want to show any folder contents10:59
ograand told me i have to be online ...11:00
henocjwatson: ok, cool. I'll give it some more testing anyway11:00
ograclicking the icon didnt help ... restarting evo did11:00
ogradoko, oh, btw, so you ghhad the grub question as well if you noticed the breakage there ?11:03
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ogradoko, it would probably help to comment on bug 10571211:04
ubotuMalone bug 105712 in os-prober "feisty grub osprober doesnt detect an existing feisty install on edubuntu alternate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10571211:04
dokoogra: let me check after the install11:05
ogrado you have another OS on that machine ?11:05
cjwatsonother partitions are automounted which confuses os-prober11:06
cjwatsonthis is a long-standing bug which I'm not concerned about for release11:07
ogranot in manual partitionning mode ....11:07
cjwatsonyes they are11:07
ograat kleast if i choose "dont use"11:07
cjwatsonunless you manually deselect them11:07
dokoogra: yes, having Windows and an Ubuntu install; but all other partitions are not mounted11:07
ograright, thats what i do in manual11:07
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cjwatsonin any case, not release-critical IMO so I'm not going to look at it further now. If you want to help, attach syslog and partman logs from the installer11:07
ograno, not at all11:08
ograbut something to notice and log :)11:08
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Mithrandirpitti: that r-m fix is needed too, right?11:16
pittiMithrandir: not absolutely for RC; it does give false information, but the impact is much less bad than l-r-m11:16
pittiMithrandir: OTOH it's probably much quicker to build than lrm :)11:17
pittiMithrandir: for the majority of users it should just work as it is, since the majority uses nvidia-glx (no new/legacy)11:17
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saispohow can i say on which ubuntu version i'm ?11:23
dokoogra: no, the keyboard problem persists11:23
Nafallosaispo: lsb_release -a11:23
ogradoko, weird, how can a setting in a chroot affect a host system ? and why didnt i see it in any installs here :/11:24
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fabbioneogra: because you are probably sharing /proc and /dev ?11:25
saispothanks Nafallo 11:25
fabbioneogra: and if you are root in the chroot you can kill processes in the host11:25
dokoogra: try the edubuntu DVD? with a german keyboard? I don't know what I can offer else for testing ...11:25
ografabbione, sharing /proc will rewrite settings in /etc/default/console-setup ???11:26
fabbioneogra: hmm no it shouldn't11:26
ograi can imagine that its a temporary switch as long as /proc is mounted11:26
fabbionebut if it does.. and it's realiable.. tell pitti :)11:26
ograbut after the first reboot it should work as expected11:26
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carlospitti: yesterday we had a problem with the import queue so there are some files pending to be imported12:10
pitticarlos: alright; I won't update the packs today anyway12:11
carlospitti: when will you prepare final packages for Feisty?12:11
pitticarlos: that's unclear yet, just discussing in the meeting12:11
carlospitti: once you know it, tell me so I can try to prioritise things so everything is imported 12:12
pitticarlos: most probably tomorrow12:12
carlosso I should get everything imported before midnight12:13
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carlosto prepare the export tomorrow morning12:13
pittiand I need to fix langpack-o-matic for this software-properties bug12:13
cjwatsonheno: do you believe that the red bug icons are a complete list of serious issues?12:13
carloswhich bug?12:13
pitticarlos: bug 10561112:14
ubotuMalone bug 105611 in langpack-o-matic "software-properties land in KDE pack" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10561112:14
carlosoh, that one12:14
henocjwatson: not sure the kernel issues are reflected there, but the other items raised in the meeting have red bugs12:15
carlospitti: hmmm, are you sure it should be in GNOME ones?12:15
pitticarlos: yes12:15
carlospitti: isn't it used too from KDE frontend?12:15
cjwatsonbug 105631 we've decided to skip for this release, right?12:15
ubotuMalone bug 105631 in debian-installer "LVM install incorrectly sets root partition in lilo.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10563112:15
pitticarlos: oh, in the base ones, sorry12:15
carlospitti: the bug says GNOME ones, that's why I'm asking12:16
Riddellpkl_: I don't see any test results from you for kubuntu alterntae amd6412:16
cjwatsonI'm a bit worried by the lack of Kubuntu upgrade tests in that list12:16
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cjwatsonnothing else coverage-wise really concerns me12:16
pkl_riddell: no, I'll put them in.12:17
henoRiddell: I tried doing Kubuntu upgrades yesterday, but it was non-obvious, esp. with the CD12:17
hungerWill l-backports-modules-generic and kvm get fixed before the release?12:17
henoRiddell: can you point me at some URL12:17
Riddellheno: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades "Kubuntu Beta upgrade"12:18
henocjwatson, pkl_, BenC: btw, we had really no testing reports from the kernel team at all yesterday, which concerns me a bit. Though I know they were busy12:19
pittiMithrandir, CC: doko: I'd appreciate your verdict about bug 10576412:19
ubotuMalone bug 105764 in python2.5 "apport exception hook negatively impacts startup of python" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10576412:19
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cjwatsonheno: I think the kernel team has been sufficiently busy that it would be a good plan to assign testing away from them12:19
cjwatsonhunger: clarify?12:20
hungercjwatson: Both packages are not installable for a couple of days now.12:20
henocjwatson: yes I had a quick chat with Ben yesterday and did that, but it did put a dent in the coverage12:20
cjwatsonhunger: architecture?12:20
pittiMithrandir: I don't think that it is really necessary to push it into feisty at this point, but it was milestoned by someone12:21
hungercjwatson: x86, really primitive.12:21
hungercjwatson: AFAIK I did not install that t12:21
cjwatsonhmm, linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 may need to be rebuilt for the current ABI12:21
dokopitti: I did milestone it; it's a severe performance regression over edgy12:21
henoI also need to rethink timing. Assigning DVDs to Europeans is a bit pointless as they are always delayed, so thumbs are twiddled12:21
cjwatsonkvm is universe, no?12:21
hungerstuff myself, so it was dragged into the system at some point.12:21
Mithrandirpitti: hm, looks simple enough.  Has it been tested by others yet?12:22
pittiMithrandir: doko and my testsuite12:22
pittiMithrandir: (it has full test coverage)12:22
cjwatsonI'll rebuild linux-backports-modules12:23
pittiMithrandir: if we do this, then we need to accept all three of apport/python2.{4,5} together12:23
Mithrandirpitti: ok12:23
pittiMithrandir: the python2.{4,5} diff is in my last comment12:24
dokopreparing the python packages12:25
Mithrandirpitti: looks fine to me.12:25
pittiMithrandir: thanks; I did a tiny fix to the test suite as well, btw, I hope that's ok (doesn't affect any code running on installations)12:26
Mithrandirpitti: yes12:26
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cjwatsonMithrandir: please accept linux-backports-modules-2.6.20_2.6.20-14.9_source.changes12:29
seb128does anybody has a keyboard with multimedia key "play,pause", "play", "pause"?12:30
dholbachseb128: I have play/pause12:31
seb128and could tell me what codekey they are using12:31
iwjseb128: Yes.12:31
iwjErr, in X, or what ?12:31
seb128dholbach: could you look what value it has (you can use the gnome shortcut dialog and try assigning it to something)12:31
iwjIf you mean in X, you mean xev ?12:31
seb128iwj: system, preferences, keyboard shortcut (or whatever it's called in english)12:32
seb128iwj: try to assign them to something12:32
seb128and note the code listed12:32
Mithrandirseb128: it varies between keyboards.12:32
dholbachseb128: 0xa212:32
seb128Mithrandir: are you sure?12:33
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Nafalloseb128: if not, I'm sure :-)12:33
Mithrandirseb128: fairly.12:33
seb128dholbach: ok, thank you12:33
NafalloXF86PLAY should work? :-P12:33
seb128Nafallo: isn't acpi_fakekey handling them?12:33
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Nafalloseb128: dunno. I just remember I had problems with that in some release cycle :-). the bug got rejected since I hadn't set my keyboard to what it was or something like that :-)12:34
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NafalloI made a patch for my keyboard to the file that specified what keys it used :-)12:35
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seb128Nafallo: we use standard value for volume, eject, www, etc, seems to work correctly12:35
seb128we didn't get any bug this cycle about volume key not working I think12:35
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elmomy laptop multimedia keys don't work anymore, FWIW, but then my laptop is apparently cursed12:36
Nafallothings might have improved. I think it was hoary or breezy I was talking about :-)12:36
seb128elmo: which one? none of them12:36
elmoseb128: none of them, play/pause, stop, ff, rew12:37
elmoerr, except I'm  using xmms, not rhythmbox \o/12:37
Keybukelmo: do you have the double-dhclient issue?12:37
elmoKeybuk: yes12:37
seb128elmo: those are no default value assigned12:37
seb128elmo: that's what I'm trying to change right now :p12:37
Keybukelmo: can I borrow your /e/n/i12:38
Tonio_Mithrandir: just uploading digikam, closing an important issue in the latest release (bug/10291212:38
Tonio_Mithrandir: nothing critical for the release12:38
Tonio_Mithrandir: I hope you'll approve :)12:38
MithrandirTonio_: if it's not critical for the release, I'll reject it.12:38
elmoseb128: I could swear they use to, but maybe I'm insane12:39
Tonio_Mithrandir: sorry I meant that's important for the release, it breaks an important part of it12:39
FujitsuIsn't there a new dbus API that multimedia keys need to be accessed by?12:39
Tonio_Mithrandir: I'm just tired :)12:39
seb128Fujitsu: no12:39
Keybukelmo: have your hotkeys worked before?12:39
seb128Fujitsu: that's an implementation detail12:39
elmoKeybuk: yes12:39
seb128Fujitsu: they still need to be configured to the same capplet12:39
Keybukelmo: when you push them, do you get invalid scancode type messages in syslog12:39
iwjseb128: Plau/Pause: 0xa2 (which it thinks is pause).  Stop: 0xa4.12:39
Keybuk(maybe try from console)12:39
Tonio_Mithrandir: the all image editor is broken in fact... which for digikam is really a big issue :)12:40
iwjseb128: I have no separate pause key.12:40
MithrandirTonio_: how many people have tested the patch?12:40
seb128iwj: ok, thank you. Do you have a pause different of the play/pause?12:40
seb128iwj: ok12:40
Tonio_Mithrandir: lots on kubuntu-devel, patch is fro msvn upstream12:40
iwjAlso missing are skip back and forth which are 0x90 and 0x99.12:40
elmoKeybuk: nope12:40
iwj`Skip to {previous,next} track'12:40
Tonio_Mithrandir: I too have tested it, works perfectly12:40
seb128iwj: right, those are on my list and ok12:41
Keybukelmo: in gnome's keyboard prefs, can you change an item, push one of those keys and have it set?12:41
Tonio_Mithrandir: Riddell is okay for the upload (I just asked)12:41
iwjseb128: Right.12:41
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MithrandirTonio_: ok12:42
Tonio_Mithrandir: thanks12:42
elmoKeybuk: yes12:42
Keybukelmo: iz gtk bug12:43
seb128elmo: are they list by the keyboard shortcut configuration dialog?12:44
elmothey're listed as 0x99 and similar12:44
elmoor do you mean something else?12:44
seb128elmo: no, just wondering if there was key associated to the actions12:44
seb128since we don't do it by default atm12:44
seb128with what app did you try them?12:45
MithrandirRiddell: what's up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 ?  It looks like this should have been milestoned ages ago?12:45
elmoseb128: xmms12:45
ubotuMalone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,In progress]  12:45
elmoseb128: but it's all my hotkeys, including brightness, lock, sleep, etc.12:45
seb128iwj: ok, so your stop button is 0xa4 and BenC mail on the distro list suggest using 0xe812:45
seb128elmo: hum, ok, dunno then12:46
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cjwatsonMithrandir: err that was on the milestone list a while back? and a fix went in a couple of days ago12:46
cjwatsonI assumed the uploader would take care of closing the bug12:46
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pygihi jsgotangco :)12:47
Mithrandircjwatson: it was?  I'm fairly sure I haven't seen that before, but malone _still_ doesn't show milestoning in the activity log.12:47
cjwatsonassuming that it was in fact a complete fix12:47
cjwatsonyes, I am absolutely certain that was milestoned12:47
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Mithrandirbut if it's been fixed, that's good12:47
jsgotangcohi pygi!12:47
cjwatsonit sounds from the bug as though the uploader may not believe it's a complete fix12:48
cjwatsonnice of them not to even mention the upload in the bug though :P12:48
MithrandirI'll follow up on that12:48
cjwatsonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/feisty_probs.html is nothing like as empty as it should be12:49
iwjseb128: Hmm.  Dunno.12:49
iwjI've just double-checked it.12:49
ogracjwatson, well it has ppc ...12:49
seb128iwj: thanks anyway, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/37225 also lists 0xa412:49
iwjThe keyboard is a Packard Bell thing I got free with some hard disks (!)12:49
cjwatsonit's nothing like as empty as it should be even aside from powerpc12:49
ubotuMalone bug 37225 in control-center "asus multimedia hotkeys not handled" [Medium,Confirmed]  12:50
cjwatsonI'll move powerpc to ports there, but still12:50
Keybuk(someone remind me how to send Ctrl-Alt-F1 to vmware)12:50
ogracjwatson, also it seems not to be up to date ... schooltool was removed from main some days ago12:50
Mithrandirogra: not the binaries12:51
Keybukcjwatson: that didn't work, ctrl+alt-space-f1 worked12:51
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cjwatsonogra: please always check facts in the archive before suspecting that the tools are broken12:52
ogracjwatson, well, pitti demoted everything i was told by him ...12:52
cjwatsonit is not the case that the tools can never be broken, but it's much less likely than that the archive state is simply not what you think it is12:52
cjwatsonschooltool | 0.11.4-1ubuntu4 |        feisty | all12:53
cjwatsonCHECK FACTS12:53
cjwatsonseriously, it's not that hard to fire up a browser and look12:53
cjwatsonI will demote the rest of school* now12:53
ograno, but do i really need to check everything if my colleagues tell me something ?12:53
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pittihmm, I have 'change-override.py -c universe -S schooltool' in .bash_history12:54
cjwatsonpitti: failed because the binaries are out of date12:54
pittioh, I see12:54
cjwatsonogra: if you're then going to tell another colleague that his tools are broken, yes, you do12:54
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ogracjwatson, i didnt say anything is broken ... :)12:55
ograoutdated though ...12:55
cjwatson11:50 <ogra> cjwatson, also it seems not to be up to date ... schooltool was removed from main some days ago12:55
pitticjwatson: so I had to demote the binaries separately? (for next time)12:55
cjwatsonoutdated => broken for a tool that runs every hour12:55
cjwatsonpitti: yeah, unfortunately12:56
ogracjwatson, i didnt want to blame you or anyone ... i just noticed that the report didnt match my reality :)12:56
cjwatsonogra: the output even has a timestamp at the top of it12:56
pittialright; sorry for the confusion12:56
ogracjwatson, ok, thats my fault then, i'll look more closely next time 12:56
cjwatsonogra: I just really want your first response to a problem to be to check the facts, rather than to say that the thing that's outputting warnings must be wrong12:57
cjwatsonthat's all12:57
cjwatsonpitti: no worries, fixed now12:57
ogracjwatson, i'll try :) sorry again12:57
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cjwatsonogra: powerpc is in testing-ports now; thanks for the report12:59
ograthanks for fixing :)01:00
pitticjwatson: ah, you already took care of the API bump for linux-backports-modules?01:00
pitticjwatson: then we only need to remove the -13 cruft and anastacia/feisty_probs should be a bit happier01:01
pitti(I put that on my plate)01:01
cjwatsonpitti: yeah, it's in unapproved waiting for Mithrandir to check it01:01
Mithrandircjwatson: accepted01:05
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elmowoo, metacity crashes for me on boot reproducably \o/01:07
RiddellMithrandir: it wasn't milestoned because it's been an upstream bug for ages so I never expected anyone to come with a fix, but fdoving surprised me01:08
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elmopitti: does apport only record one crash per program/uid ?01:10
pittielmo: yes, until you see it in the UI it won't be overridden01:10
ograRiddell, for gutsy i'd like to talk to you about a qt based greeter for ldm ... to make the kde people more happy that use ltsp 01:10
pittielmo: however, it counts the number of crashes per exe/uid01:11
carlosmvo: ping01:11
ograRiddell, are you ok if i register a spec for that during next week and subscribe you to it ?01:11
pittielmo: I needed to prevent flooding01:11
cjwatsonAs the discussion of an Ubuntu bug grows longer, the probability of an invocation of Bug #1 approaches one.01:11
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Riddellogra: I have an edubuntu-kde spec on the canonical wiki for such things01:11
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mvocarlos: pong01:12
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ograRiddell, well, thats unrelated to edubuntu01:12
ograltsp != edubuntu ;)01:12
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carlosmvo: I have bad news for you01:12
Riddellogra: then the name of the spec should be changed01:12
ograRiddell, but its ok for a start i guess01:12
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carlosmvo: even increasing the amount of time before we think our poimport script is stalled, we get a timeout with your universe import01:13
carlosmvo: our parser takes more than 1 hour to process that file01:13
ograRiddell, nope, we *should* have an edubuntu spec as well :) but this specific task should go under kubuntu-ltsp integration or so01:13
carlosmvo: so I had to block it01:13
carlosmvo: to allow all Feisty files to be imported in time before midnight01:13
carlosmvo: we are going to fix that performance problem as a critical bug01:14
pittiseb128: gnome-doc-tools in anastacia: demote or seed?01:14
carlosbut that would mean that I don't think you will be able to update that template in a week or so01:14
seb128pitti: if nothing Build-Depends on it, demote01:15
carlosmvo: talking only about universe one01:15
mvocarlos: ok01:15
carloswhich is huge, not sure about the .po files...01:15
pittiseb128: ladspa-sdk wants to go as well; in edgy, gst-plugins-good needed it; I assume that's alright? or was it inadvertedly disabled in feisty's gst?01:15
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pittiRiddell: compiz-kde: seed or binary-only demotion to universe?01:23
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pittiRiddell: IOW, does it work at all?01:23
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Riddellpitti: no idea, never tried it :)01:24
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Riddellpitti: as far as I know it's just a dummy package with only a stub in it01:25
pitti-rwxr-xr-x root/root    126288 2007-04-04 09:58:19 ./usr/bin/kde-window-decorator01:25
pittiRiddell: ok, so rather demote, I figure01:25
Riddellpitti: I wouldn't call it supported whatever it is01:26
pittiogra: can you please seed student-control-panel? it's a transitional package, but as such it needs to be in main for feisty01:29
heno*** All 20070411 images have been rejected for RC. 20070412 images being built. See https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ for status and md5sums ***01:30
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pittiogra: wb01:40
ogramy broadcom doesnt like me today :/01:40
pittiogra: not sure whether you got that still: <pitti> ogra: can you please seed student-control-panel? it's a transitional package, but as such it needs to be in main for feisty01:40
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ograpitti, ok, no problem 01:41
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pittiogra: thanks01:41
jsgotangcoogra: i'll just wait for this day's build to be done,01:41
ograjsgotangco, well ... you could rsync on top of yesterdays ;)01:41
fabbioneMithrandir: what images have been rebuilt? i can see sparc/server is still the old one01:41
jsgotangcoogra: sure but you asked me to do DVD hehe01:41
Mithrandirfabbione: -server is being rebuilt right now.01:42
fabbioneMithrandir: ok thanks01:42
ograjsgotangco, exactly :)01:42
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ograpitti, suported is sufficient i guess01:43
pittiogra: sure01:43
pittiogra: in the ubuntu seeds we have a paragraph for transitional packages01:43
pittiso that we can clean this up over time again01:43
ograah, yes i see it01:43
pittiMithrandir: I uploaded a new language-support-gl with two more oo.o l10n/help packages which linger in anastacia (doesn't affect CDs)01:44
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henofabbione: I wasn't sure about that one, setting it inactive too01:46
fabbioneheno: you also want to clear netinstall/netboot01:47
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henofabbione: I'll clear the sparc one. the other's never got tested anyway. Setting up to do that here now01:48
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fabbioneheno: ok01:49
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ograpitti, committed01:50
ogradoko, can you attach /etc/default/console-setup and /opt/ltsp/$arch/etc/default/console-setup to the keyboard bug ?01:54
ograi'd like to compare them01:54
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dokoogra: same files, and XKBLAYOUT is set to "de"02:00
ograso console-setup should set it to de on boot ...02:02
ogracjwatson, is there anything that can override /etc/default/console-setup ? i wouldnt think so ...02:02
ogra(in a default install that is)02:03
cjwatsonthe initramfs could be broken02:04
cjwatsoncheck /etc/default/console-setup in the initramfs02:04
ograbut thas generated already if ltsp gets installed02:04
cjwatsonif 'sudo setupcon' fixes the keyboard layout, then the initramfs is definitely broken02:04
ograwill do, doko, can you send that to me ? 02:04
ograor /etc/init.d/console-setup start i suppose02:05
desrtgutsy?  seriously?02:06
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Hobbseedesrt: appears so.02:06
ogradesrt, "all your source is eaten by us !"02:07
fabbionedesrt: yeah02:07
ant_ipopfor help testing rc i should go to https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/ right ?02:07
Hobbseedesrt: unless it's 13 days late02:07
fabbioneant_ipop: yes02:07
ograant_ipop, yep02:07
henoant_ipop: you can get advice in #ubuntu-iso and from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community02:08
ant_ipopah thanks for that02:09
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desrteh.  what's in a name? :)02:10
Hobbseedesrt: many misspellings02:10
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Kmoshow works in opera browser updates?02:11
Kmosto assigne a bug report for the updated version02:12
dokoogra: no, the file in the initramfs is the same as well02:12
desrt...or should i call you hosbee...02:12
cjwatsondoko: does 'sudo setupcon' at a console fix the layout?02:13
Hobbseedesrt: wonder what jdub will call it02:13
henodoko, ogra: FYI the Edubuntu amd64 DVD installed fine here. Both virtualbox and real hardware02:13
Hobbseedesrt: no, you shouldnt.02:13
dokocjwatson: wait, have to reboot02:13
desrti want jdub at UDS.  srsly.02:13
ograheno, no such glitches like doko saw ? 02:13
henoogra: no, on the default option it was fine. Will try safe graphics mode too02:13
henoogra: can I force it to use VGA?02:14
ograheno, any keyboard weirdness ? 02:14
ograi start to suspect dokos iso or media is broken 02:14
henoogra: didn't heck for that yet, will do02:14
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Hobbseedesrt: yes, jdub is fun.02:17
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jsgotangcocrazy gnome madmen are always fun02:18
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dokocjwatson, ogra: reboot has to wait until my OOo build finishes; about 1 1/2h02:27
StevenKdoko: Another openoffice.org upload? Have you no respect for the buildds? :-P02:29
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ogradoko, fine with me 02:30
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pittiheno: do you know gnome-accessibility-themes-extras? it wants to go to universe; shall I seed it (if it's any good) or demote?02:30
fabbionedesrt: you coming to Seville?02:30
desrtof course02:31
pittidesrt: cool02:31
desrtwatch me forget the G5 again02:31
fabbionedesrt: G..... 5....02:31
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cjwatsonopenoffice.org at this point in the release? What universe imploded? :)02:31
fabbionecjwatson: he didn't pay the heating bill.. what's best than a CPU? :)02:31
cjwatsonmdz_: bug 105861, fyi02:32
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StevenKfabbione: Bwahaha.02:32
ubotuMalone bug 105861 in ubiquity "migration-assistant cleanup handler manages to fork somewhere" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10586102:32
cjwatsonMithrandir: ^--02:32
HobbseeKeybuk: were you going to have a separate universe UVF again, at the same time as new package universe freeze?  (aug 30)?02:32
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mdz_cjwatson: under what circumstances is it triggered (if you know)?02:33
cjwatsonmdz_: not quite sure; it happened to me with a simple install on a system where m-a didn't offer anything to import02:36
cjwatsonmdz_: it's quite possible that the forked process (well, actually it's probably a separate thread rather than a true fork, thanks pygtk) goes off and exits harmlessly and the only ill effect is the warning dialog (a relatively recent addition to fix other critical problems)02:37
cjwatsonI'll let you know when I know more02:38
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cjwatsoncritical problems> it used to be that if partman exited non-zero then ubiquity wouldn't notice and could end up trying to "install" into the ramdisk. I fixed that ...02:40
henopitti: it will keep coming from upstream gnome each cycle I guess, so we split it out each time. universe is fine by me though02:43
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pittiheno: unless its really crackful or has dependencies not in main, we can seed it (for consistently having all binaries in main)02:44
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henopitti: right, let's keep it then. It's just themes from upstream that we opted not to install by default, not very crackful02:45
pittiheno: alright, I seed it02:45
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ubotuMalone bug 81227 in hal "Logout screen appears twice [Feisty] " [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8122702:46
ogradear HW vendors, please use unified names goddamned!02:46
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mjg59Unified names?02:49
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ogramjg59, acpi_PWRF and acpi_PWRB .... and who knows what else will show up 02:51
mjg59There's no requirement for any sort of consistent naming02:52
mjg59Don't attempt to depend on it. You'll just lose.02:52
ograthere is ... from me ... but i doubt they will listen to me ;)02:52
mjg59HP use ACPI identifiers that are longer than four characters and then collapse them down into C+3 digits of hex02:52
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mjg59so the name will change depending on BIOS upgrade02:53
mjg59The spec doesn't require any object names to be meaningful02:53
ograwell, but it seems for the HP people on the bug my workaround fixed it02:53
ogramight be that they are the lucky ones here ...02:53
ograi simply dont want to bloat that workaround ... 02:54
mjg59If you're trying to use ACPI object names, then that's not a workaround. That's a bug.02:55
ograwell, how els should i do it ? (the patch is on the bug in my last comment)02:56
ograaccording to #hal the fix has to happen in hal itself which we cant do atm ... the workaround seems to fix it for a lot of people but not for all ...02:57
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ograyeah, its horribly slow atm ...02:58
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mjg59Why not just key off all acpi objects that send the power button?02:58
ograhow do i match that ? 02:58
ograyeah, thats what i planned now (see my comment)02:59
ograseems i should cut he paternmatching after the underscore to match all acpi_**** devices ... :/02:59
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mjg59The only ACPI devices that can generate power button events are, well, power buttons03:00
ogramjg59, so you think thats sufficient for now ? 03:00
mjg59So yeah03:00
ograok, i'll change to strncmp then and curt the last four chars ...03:00
mjg59You're in a glib application03:00
ograoh, right03:00
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fabbioneheno: are you keeping track of the bugs that have been cleared from 11 iso testing?03:10
fabbioneheno: they have been wiped from the board too03:11
fabbioneheno: or do we need to relink them again?03:11
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fabbionewho is our avahi expert?03:27
fabbionepitti: is that you?03:27
pittifabbione: Lathiat mainly03:27
fabbioneLathiat: you around?03:28
fabbione(hw-cert bug)03:28
ubotuMalone bug 105872 in network-manager "Network not enabled properly by NetworkManager which configures eth1:avah" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:28
TomaszDpitti, thanks for fixing that software-properties translations misplacement bug! 03:28
pittiTomaszD: you're welcome; I still need to rebuild the langpacks for that03:29
TomaszDpitti, that'd be very welcome to have, new langpacks as official update, not just the daily ones03:30
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TomaszDpitti, can we expect that sometime soon? anyway it's just a few days before the final release...03:33
pittiiwj: what is the reason for the mkdir -m 0755 /dev/mapper in libdevmapper1.02.postinst?03:33
pittiTomaszD: yes, probably tomorrow we'll see another feisty langpack upload03:33
TomaszDpitti, great :] 03:33
pittiTomaszD: 'directly after RC release'03:33
TomaszDafter...? I'm too tired to argue, but I see a flaw in this plan :] 03:34
pittiTomaszD: this issue is by no way a showstopper for the RC03:34
pittiTomaszD: it should be fixed in the final release, of course, and it will03:34
TomaszDno, of course it's not a showstopper, I'm not even trying to argue that. I was just thinking that the last official langpack upload was committed quite some time ago and Ubuntu'd really use a new upload, and RC would be a great testbed for that03:35
TomaszDthat's why I'm wondering why "after"03:36
pittibecause we have RC images since yesterday03:36
pittisure, we just got new ones, but still; no time to push in 1000 new packages03:36
TomaszDfair enough.03:36
TomaszD:] 03:36
pittiTomaszD: and you can still dist-upgrade your system after installation, to get the latest pacakges03:36
TomaszDyes, sure, I'm no newbie. Using Ubuntu since 5.04 03:37
elmoseb128: where's 0.16.1 ?03:37
henoogra: I did a complete install in German from the amd64 Edubuntu DVD (20070411). Keyboard and everything else worked fine03:37
ograon the CD as well, so i guess its doko specific ...03:38
dokoogra: rechecking with today's DVD later03:39
seb128elmo: that's a good question, "Successfully built" on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/1:0.16.1-0ubuntu1 03:39
seb128elmo: iz launchpad bog03:39
ogradoko, thanks ... i think a media check would also make sense03:39
dokoogra: the check was sucessful03:40
ograhmm, k03:40
ograstill weird 03:40
Mithrandirseb128: investigating.03:41
seb128Mithrandir: thank you03:41
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iwjpitti: I'm not sure.  I don't think it was my doing.03:54
iwjIt seems odd that it doesn't say -p.03:54
iwjIf you have udev then something has to make /dev/mapper and I have a feeling that the C code in libdevmapper itself won't.03:54
pittiiwj: weird; a mere modprobe dm-crypt sorted that out for me so far03:55
iwjIs it causing a problem ?  The way you quote it makes it non-idempotent which is clearly wrong.03:55
iwjpitti: Ah, probably that causes /dev/mapper/control to be made by udev.03:55
pittiiwj: oh, it broke the retracer chroot; which is not really libdevmapper's fault, I just wondered what it was for03:55
cjwatsonmdz_: migration-assistant panic over; there's something still not right with the control flow, but I've decided it's not release-critical, and the non-zero exit status was due to having an LVM PV on the disk03:56
iwjSo I bet it's just a fossil.03:56
cjwatsonso it's a bug, but it can wait until after feisty03:56
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mdz_cjwatson: ok03:57
AlinuxOSpitti, hello03:57
pittiiwj: it seems that Keybuk added it 10 days ago, so it's not really a fossil03:57
iwjI bet there's a race then somewhere which means it ought to exist first.03:57
AlinuxOSis today LanguagePackTranslationDeadline ?03:57
iwjNot clear why the postinst is the right place, though.03:57
iwj14:33 <pitti> iwj: what is the reason for the mkdir -m 0755 /dev/mapper in libdevmapper1.02.postinst?03:58
mvo_pitti, Mithrandir: could you please accept the app-install-data-commercial upload to dapper-proposed once it hits (uploaded a couple of minutes ago). bugnumber is #10584703:58
pittimvo_: will do03:58
Keybukbecause you can install dmsetup into a system with existing devmapper nodes03:58
mvo_pitti: great, thanks03:58
Keybukthe /dev/.static/dev/mapper is more important, I did the other for completeness03:58
pittiKeybuk: hm, but if /dev/mapper/something already exists, why is the mkdir necessary?03:59
Keybukpitti: that's what the [ ! -d ]  bit is for :p03:59
Keybukit's to make the directory if you are *not* running udev03:59
Keybuksince if you're running udev, the -d /dev/.static/dev bit is true03:59
Keybukit makes sure that /dev/mapper exists as a directory on the root filesystem04:00
pittiKeybuk: I see; well, the library doesn't change all that often, I hope, so I can just clean up after it manually04:00
Keybukso that when the udev /dev is mounted, /dev/.static/dev/mapper exists04:00
Keybukpitti: "clean up after it" ?04:00
pittiKeybuk: it breaks the retracer chroots (since you cannot mkdir as normal user in /dev)04:00
Keybukyou have /dev in your chroots but not /dev/.static/dev ?04:00
Keybuk(that's probably your bug -- some postinsts fail without /dev/.static/dev)04:01
mdz_Keybuk: any word on network-manager?04:01
pittiKeybuk: I didn't say it's a bug in libdevmapper NB, I was just curious what it was for04:01
Keybukmdz_: yes, lots of words04:01
Keybukmost of them four letters long, and not pleasnt04:01
pittiKeybuk: the chroot's /dev is just the normal system's /dev04:01
Keybukpitti: libdevmapper assumes that the directory it creates nodes in exists04:01
Keybukpitti: right, but did you recursively mount under that04:01
mdz_Keybuk: words which meaningfully relate to the 7.04 release?04:01
Keybukie. does /dev/.static/dev exist ?04:01
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pittiKeybuk: there is a /dev/.static/dev on ronne04:01
Keybukthen I don't see why you're touching that postinst at all04:02
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Keybukif there's a /dev/.static/dev then you won't be reaching the mkdir you're complaining about ;)04:02
pittiKeybuk: it's not really mounted, it's just a symlink to the real /dev, so it includes everything under it04:02
pittiKeybuk: reality just proved that wrong :)04:02
cjwatsonwhat, a symlink out of the chroot?04:02
Keybuksh -x it04:02
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KeybukI reckon your system is bogus'd somehow04:02
cjwatsonif so then it could be a broken symlink and test -d would return false ..04:02
fabbioneKeybuk, mdz_, cjwatson: #105872 coming in from hw-cert04:03
Keybukaye, what colin said -- symlinks can't point outside chroots04:03
pitticjwatson: yes, fakechroot supports that to be able to use /proc and /dev04:03
fabbione3 bugs so far from 11 testing.. one is not in LP yet04:03
cjwatsonpitti: maybe it doesn't support it properly04:03
pitticjwatson: yes, it's pretty hideous04:04
Keybukthat postinst looks fine04:04
cjwatsonspecifically stat() of the symlink sounds like it returns the wrong thing04:04
mjg59cjwatson: 105234 looks pretty relevant04:04
Keybukif udev is running (/dev/.static/dev exists) then it makes the directory under that if it doesn't already exist04:04
mjg59(release-wise rather than to current conversation)04:04
Keybukotherwise it makes the directory on the root filesystem04:04
Keybuk(so when you boot with udev, /dev/.static/dev/mapper exists)04:04
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pittiKeybuk: alright, I track it down the next time it stumbles over that04:04
pittiKeybuk: thanks04:04
Keybukso network manager04:04
fabbioneKeybuk: yeps...04:05
Keybukthis thing is so totally bogusly broken that I want to cry04:05
Keybukbasically there's a race between ifup and network manager04:05
Keybukso you can end up with two dhclients04:05
Keybuksince ifup starts one after network manager kills them all04:05
mjg59dhclient is supposed to have pidfile handling04:05
jttis the Ubuntu kernel 2.6.17-10 any different than 2.6.17-10 from kernel.org  i.e. does Ubuntu make any signifcant changes04:05
mjg59Why isn't that working in this case?04:05
Keybukmjg59: the pid file has a random number in it04:06
mjg59jtt: -10 represents the Ubuntu ABI version, not
mjg59And yes, very different04:06
mjg59Keybuk: Why?04:06
jttmjg59: thanks04:06
Keybukno idea04:06
mjg59Fixing that would presumably fix the issue to some extent04:07
KeybukI don't think so04:07
Keybukbecause I'm seeing other weird behaviour caused by dhcdbd04:07
Keybukit seems to kill dhclient itself if it gets a status message it wasn't expecting04:07
Keybukand I don't understand how network manager kills dhclient04:08
Keybuksince it does "killall dhclient", which won't match dhclient3 (which is what ifup starts)04:08
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KeybukI also don't understand why NM seems to take over eth0 when there's nothing even logged in yet04:09
KeybukI thought it needed nm-applet to tell it to do that04:09
mjg59My understanding was that it claimed interfaces on startup04:09
mjg59In the absence of policy, the policy is no network04:09
Keybukso it does appear to "claim" the eth0 interface04:14
Keybukbring it down04:14
mdzit seems to bring up interfaces before login for me (which is fortunate because I want that)04:14
Keybuk(seperate to it actually killing dhclient, it tells dhcdbd to bring it down)04:14
Keybukand then bring it back up again04:14
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Keybukthis happens whether or not it was already up or down04:14
Keybukso policy seems to be to always have an interface up04:14
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Keybukso it seems we have four different things trying to do things to a network interface at the same time04:14
Keybukifup called by udev04:14
Keybukifup -a04:14
Keybukand network manager04:14
Keybukit's no surprise it's a bit buggered, tbh04:14
Keybuk(the ifup -a bit doesn't clash with network-manager, just the ifup-by-udev and we have locking for that)04:14
azazellowhy does acpi-support-0.95 tarball have a top level dir called acpi-support-0.94?04:14
mjg59Because we hate freedom04:14
xtknightthere may be a diff.gz to update it to 0.95?04:14
Mithrandircjwatson: #105861> phew04:14
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azazelloxtknight: the files inside do mention 0.9504:15
cjwatsonthere is another m-a-related bug in that the installation summary doesn't properly display what's to be migrated04:15
xtknightazazello, apt-get source gives me onloy a 0.95 dir04:15
cjwatsonI'll commit the fix but I don't think it's release-critical04:15
mjg59azazello: The top level directory name is pretty unimportant04:15
xtknightwhat's the status of the network-manager issue?   04:16
ograwhich of the 1000 ?04:16
xtknightheh the one with 1000 duplicates ;)04:16
cjwatsonazazello: the top-level directory name is just whatever the directory happened to be called when the developer built the source package.04:16
xtknightbug 10523404:17
ubotuMalone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10523404:17
cjwatsonread scrollback04:17
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mjg59xtknight: There's a large number of n-m issues that people are working on04:17
KeybukI also, as an experiment did the following04:17
Keybuk - configured an eth1 and eth2 04:17
Keybuk - both auto/dhcp04:17
Keybuk - ifup brings them both up, both with dhclient3 processes running04:17
Keybuk - started network manager04:17
Keybuk - network manager removes the ip from both04:17
Keybuk - and then "brings up" eth2 again04:18
Keybukdhclient kills the existing eth2 process (correctly, itself) and starts a new one04:18
Keybukyou're then left in a state with04:18
Keybuketh1: UP, no IP, dhclient3 running (!!)04:18
Keybuketh2: IP, dhclient, etc.04:18
Keybuk(and ifup thinks both are up)04:18
Keybukafter a short while (dhcp lease time?) dhclient for eth1 gets an IP again04:19
Keybukwhich sends NM into an absolute spawn04:19
Keybukspasm, even04:19
seb128Mithrandir: sound-juicer could use a Depends on libgnomevfs2-extra (required to do cddb), that's low importance though, ubuntu-desktop install it, ok to upload the change now or rather next cycle?04:22
xtknightwhat determines whether NetworkManager handles an interface or not?04:22
hungerxtknight: As far as I could find out so far: The phase of the moon.04:23
seb128xtknight: the interface being list to /etc/network/interfaces or not04:23
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mvo_Mithrandir: could you please do a publisher run for app-install-data-commercial in dapper-proposed ? 04:23
Mithrandirmvo_: the publisher is on auto.04:23
Keybukseb128: except that's bogus04:24
Keybuksince NM thinks it's fun to kill dhclients04:24
xtknighthrmm but /etc/network/interfaces is for ifup() at startup too, right?04:24
TreenaksKeybuk: can't it just keep track of its own children, and just kill THOSE, instead of killing anything that looks remotely like a dhclient?04:24
ograKeybuk, well, at least it leaves static interfaces alone atm04:25
Keybukthen we end up in the situation where you can't use network manager until you've removed things from /e/n/i04:25
mvo_Mithrandir: oh, sorry. I thought it was still in manual mode04:25
ograwhich was the edgy situation, no ? 04:25
Keybukwhich was a pain, but at least it worked04:27
KeybukI don't really have any release-useful suggestions at this point04:31
TheInfinitywhen was the update where /usr/share/X11/fonts/... was changed to /usr/share/fonts/X11/... ? because german and english wiki entrys have this old version ...04:31
Keybukwith half a dozen tests, I've convinced myself that NM only works if you don't use ifup for anything other than lo04:31
Keybukand even the work to go back to that would be more than 1 week including testing04:32
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NafalloTheInfinity: early feisty04:32
ograNafallo, i thought that came with 7.0 already ? 04:33
Nafalloogra: that change was when we merged back with Debian. I'm fairly certain on that :-).04:33
xtknightKeybuk, did the patch ( http://librarian.launchpad.net/7297631/patch_network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu6.patch ) produce satisfactory results?  I assume there is another more serious underlying problem?04:33
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TomaszDthere is a problem with network-manager.  "static configuration" option isn't translatable04:35
tepsipakkiTheInfinity: if you mean the change in new xorg.conf-files, it was made in February when 7.2 was merged04:35
MithrandirTomaszD: already fixed.04:35
TomaszDMithrandir, checked lp this morning, not available04:35
MithrandirTomaszD: that's because LP is lagging.04:36
TheInfinityteps ... okay ... then we have to make a switch in wiki ...04:36
TomaszDMithrandir, so should be available, say, tomorrow?04:36
Nafallotepsipakki: are you sure? I still think the change was very early feisty when we merged back with Debian and they had that other path...04:36
cjwatsonI think it was early *edgy* when we merged back with Debian and they had that other path04:36
tepsipakkiNafallo: hah, you are right :)04:37
cjwatsonoh, hmm, maybe not04:37
tepsipakkithe ones we merged from in February had both paths04:37
Nafalloyay memory! :-)04:37
cjwatsonI must be thinking of xkb04:38
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Keybukmore than I hate NM04:38
NafalloKeybuk: webm? webmin?04:38
KeybukNafallo: literate programming04:38
StevenKNafallo: Don't use language like that around me.04:38
Nafalloah ;-)04:38
Keybuknoweb thingy04:39
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iwjIs it just me or is LP being hopeless today ?  I just got an ECONNRESET (according to this here livecd's firefox).04:51
TomaszDiwj, it04:51
TomaszDit's on its knees04:52
StevenKiwj: Agreed, I've gotten four or five04:52
Mithrandiriwj: it's slow.04:52
iwjFor me it's beyond slow.04:52
Hobbseeiwj: probably getting as bad as australia's often is - or used to be04:53
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ograiwj, seems i'm joining in ... connection reset as well here now 05:02
fabbionei just spoke with SteveA about LP05:02
fabbionethere is going to be somekind of improvement within the day05:03
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dholbachamd64 desktop look good05:16
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seb128cjwatson: what component has the ubiquity translations?05:22
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iwjHmm, I'm glad I saved a copy of that bug text now.05:38
cjwatsonseb128: debian-installer05:40
seb128cjwatson: ok, thank you05:41
iwjOh, looks like I'm reporting this bug twice since the email from the first attempt has just arrived.05:43
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iwjDoes langpack installation in ubiquity do some kind of LP transaction ?05:45
iwjI have an install here which seems to have got stuck at that stage.05:45
pittiiwj: downloading the packages at most05:46
pittiiwj: but that shouldn't happen for English05:46
iwjI'm installing in German just for a change.05:47
pittiiwj: do you see a 'cancel' button?05:48
iwjI didn't select it and it has just woken up.05:48
pittiiwj: if so, then it's the stage where it downloads language-support-de and dependnecies05:48
iwjHow big is that data ?05:48
pittiiwj: hmm, magnitude of 30 MB05:48
iwjAh, in that case the bug is just poor progress display.05:48
pittiiwj: hm, IIRC there was a textual ETA somewhere05:49
pittiit usually works quite well for me05:49
iwjNot in this case.05:49
ograi usually get a question if i want to download it 05:49
pittiogra: in alternate, yes, but not in ubiquity05:49
pittiit just does and allows you to cancel05:49
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andre_plwith the latest feisty kernel my tifm card reader doesn't work at all.  the modules load, but otherwise theres nothing in dmesg.. i had read on launchpad that the latest kernel had included a newer tifm driver that was supposed to solve most of these problems but in my case it is worse.05:58
reitblattandre_pl: you would get better help in #ubuntu-kernel05:59
andre_plreitblatt: thanks. I thought this was the right place. :P05:59
Hobbseeandre_pl: likely too late to fix now.  and this may be the right place, too06:00
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andre_plok, well here's another one. since last nights updates when i boot my computer, network manager shows not connected, but it is connected, and it works.06:01
andre_plif i disable/enable it sows the right status06:02
Nafalloandre_pl: that's a feature from the last changelog :-)06:02
Nafalloandre_pl: people are working on it.06:02
andre_plhaha, a "feature"06:02
andre_pli wanted to go bug crazy today but launchpad is dead.06:02
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Nafallothere already are a couple of thousands bug reports against network-manager :-P06:04
Hobbseethat many?  there were a couple of hundred, last time i looked...06:04
andre_plyeah i've got quite a few issues right now though, not just network manager.06:04
Hobbseeandre_pl: are they release-critical?06:05
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andre_plwell... maybe? lol.  about half of the time I start my laptop it just hangs with a _ in the top left corner after the splash finishes.. then I alt-f1 and it says its failed to read some image file i have to press enter to get it start the boot process.06:07
Hobbseedid you get the syslog?06:07
andre_plnope.  i probably can though, it happens often enough.06:08
Hobbsee--> #ubuntu+1 anyway06:08
Hobbseeseeing as this isnt a supoprt channel06:08
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Hobbseeyay, it's friday!06:08
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jsgotangcoHobbsee: yay!06:10
Hobbseejsgotangco: we can now EOL most of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=breezy&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=06:10
Hobbseewhen LP gets better06:10
Nafallothat's a small URL ;-)06:11
TomaszDandre_pl, don't worry about LP being dead slow, do what I do. Take a magazine, click a link, read an article or two, look if the page loaded. Repeat.06:11
jsgotangcomy eyes! my eyes!06:11
NafalloTomaszD: haha06:11
HobbseeTomaszD: i used to routinely do it.  every page would take 40-50 seconds to load.06:11
andre_plTomaszD: its not even loading now.06:11
andre_pland i cant get any search results for anything.06:11
HobbseeTomaszD: and i got all of the bugs on the packages i was interested in, emailed to me06:12
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Hobbseenight all!06:12
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mvo_Mithrandir: ok if I do a g-a-i upload so that the desktop data is updated? or should I wait with this06:13
HobbseeTomaszD: bugmail isnt bad, just selecting all the pages you want to load06:13
Hobbseethen looking later06:13
TomaszDHobbsee, how about translating in Rosetta? :] 06:13
TomaszDgetting parts of the .po file in mail lol06:13
HobbseeTomaszD: never tried.  i only speak a bit of german, and english06:13
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TomaszDI know Polish, English, German and a bit of Spanish06:14
Hobbseeneat :)06:14
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TomaszDthough it becomes apparent in a few moments that English isn't my native tongue06:14
TomaszD13 years of learning and I still can't get the hang of some things06:15
TomaszDand I'm teaching the bloody language too06:15
TomaszD:] 06:15
Hobbseeyeah well.  5+ years of learning german, and i still cant hold a conversation in it06:15
Hobbseemind you, we learnt about things like saltmines, instead of useful conversation06:16
HobbseeTomaszD: your english seems fine so far, anyway :P06:16
Hobbseeit's understandable06:16
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TomaszDwell I hope so, I'm an upstream GNOME translator, I should know my thing06:16
TomaszDand about German, it's the same here, four years gone to waste06:17
TomaszDWas hasst tu gestern gemacht? Ich habe Computer gespielt und Bucher gelesen06:17
TomaszDevery single lesson she would ask us that06:17
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Hobbseeah crud...i should know that....06:17
KeybukApr 12 09:56:18 localhost NetworkManager: <information>^ICouldn't send DHCP 'up' message because: name 'com.redhat.dhcp.OperationInProgress', message 'interface eth0 is being released. Please try again later.'.06:18
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iwjWoah!   `Retour   Revenir en arriere #-#-#-#-# fr.po (debian-installer) #-#-#-#-# Retour'06:18
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HobbseeTomaszD: i have played on the computer and learned from the book...  dont know what the other one is06:18
Keybukand then ...06:18
KeybukApr 12 09:56:25 localhost NetworkManager: <information>^IActivation (eth0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) started... 06:18
KeybukApr 12 09:56:25 localhost avahi-autoipd(eth0)[11501] : Successfully claimed IP address
KeybukApr 12 09:56:25 localhost avahi-autoipd(eth0)[11501] : fopen() failed: Permission denied06:18
KeybukApr 12 09:56:25 localhost NetworkManager: <information>^IDHCP daemon state is now 11 (unknown) for interface eth0 06:18
KeybukApr 12 09:56:25 localhost NetworkManager: <information>^IDHCP daemon state is now 14 (normal exit) for interface eth0 06:19
KeybukApr 12 09:56:27 localhost NetworkManager: <information>^IActivation (eth0) Beginning DHCP transaction. 06:19
KeybukApr 12 09:56:27 localhost dhclient: There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 134993440#] 06:19
TomaszDWhat have you been doing yesterday, that was the question06:19
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HobbseeTomaszD: ahhh...of course.06:19
TomaszDpitti is the root of all evil06:19
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cjwatsoniwj: oh damn silly French translators06:19
KeybukTreenaks: ping06:19
HobbseeKeybuk: blame the innocent who arent here, of course!06:19
iwjcjwatson: Shall I file a bug ?06:19
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cjwatsoniwj: hang on, phone06:20
iwjcjwatson: OK.06:20
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iwjcjwatson: It seems really very ugly and if it's on the common path I might even call it RC (although I suppose it only affects French).06:20
iwjcjwatson: I see this in the "confirm resize partitions" dialogue in ubiquity.06:21
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cjwatsoniwj: sigh, I suppose so, though I can only work around it06:22
cjwatsonMithrandir,mdz: ^--06:22
Keybukelmo: so yeah, somewhere along the line, you end up with a bogus pid for dhclient06:22
KeybukI have a vague suspicion it's related to that previous avahi-autoipd error, but I could be wrong06:22
mdzcjwatson: I'm not sure I can tell the difference between an ugly text bug and standard French punctuation rules :-P06:23
Keybuk(though that might be spurious, it's entirely possible it's a dhclient bug)06:24
iwjcjwatson: Do you want a screenshot or is what I write in bug 105903 enough ?06:25
ubotuMalone bug 105903 in debian-installer "crazy french translation for "retour" and "suivant"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10590306:25
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mdzMithrandir: what's the reason for this:06:32
mdz        if (! applet->device_list)06:32
mdz                state = NM_STATE_DISCONNECTED;06:32
iwjmdz: This one is obviously really crazy.  It looks like the computer has gone completely haywire.06:34
cjwatsonmdz: it's a totally fucked multi-line translation due to somebody stupidly unfuzzying a translation06:34
cjwatsoniwj: no need06:35
Keybukelmo: so, err, that's totally freaky06:37
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Mirviwj: what is the English string and how is it translated in French (if re-translated into English)06:39
Mirvoh wait, the bug, if it's there I read it from there06:41
iwjcjwatson: I haven't seen this crazy string again so I think it must only show up in manual partitioning (or perhaps also auto-resize).06:42
Mirviwj: oh, ok, so someone having had a stupid fuzzy (I've seen those) with all the ## letters etc., and the translators as unfortunately marked is as "reviewed"06:43
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iwjThis flashing /var/lib/os-prober/mount icon is a bit distracting really.06:56
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iwjNot just during migration-assistant (as I said in bug 105531) but during grub installation too.06:56
ubotuMalone bug 105531 in migration-assistant "/var/lib/os-prober/mount briefly appears on desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10553106:56
evandiwj: fix committed, but it's up to cjwatson if he wants it included in the release.06:57
dholbachiwj: i'll take a break after this installation - will do test the oem d-i i386 dvd?06:57
iwjdholbach: You mean will I test it ?06:59
dholbachiwj: sorry, I forgot the "you" :)06:59
iwjSure but are there special instructions for oem installs ?06:59
iwjIt looks like my rsync got the dvd ok.07:00
fabbionei have some spare vmware cycles to spare...07:00
fabbioneiwj: just select oem at the dvd boot IIRC07:00
iwjOK, and nothing in particular else needed ?  NP07:00
dholbachiwj: after that it gives you instructions on how to run oem-config-prepare (or whatever it is)07:01
fabbioneyeah it's pretty straight forward07:01
henofabbione: what arch?07:03
fabbioneheno: ?07:03
fabbioneheno: for vmware? i38607:03
henofabbione: i386, amd64, sparc, all of the above?07:03
henoah, ok07:04
fabbionethere is no sparc vmware :)07:04
fabbioneand amd64 support is experimental in ws 5.x07:04
henofabbione: can you test kubuntu alternate?07:04
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fabbioneheno: i only have ubuntu images here.. if it's not urgent i can download and test it07:04
henovirtualbox is open source (ish) you might get that to run on the sparc07:05
fabbionenah... i am waiting for hw virtualization support on Niagara07:05
henofabbione: yep, ubuntu alternate i386 needs testing love too07:05
fabbioneubuntu alternate is07:05
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dholbachiwj: gracias07:06
Mithrandirmdz: avoid filling the .xsession-errors with a load of stuff about it not being able to find the proper icon.07:07
cjwatsoniwj: it'll be presented by a bunch of different dialogs - partitioning, migration-assistant, misc failures07:11
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iwjcjwatson: Oh dear.07:11
cjwatsonMirv: I'm pretty sure I tried to fix this ages ago but Rosetta will only let me present it as a "suggestion" despite me being the maintainer and knowing that it's broken07:12
cjwatsonand translation syncs are typically too big for me to be able to notice all these problems every time07:12
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Mirvcjwatson: yeah, the launchpad requires you'd be member of the translation team in question also. anyway, translators should spot those broken suggestions and not mark them as reviewed, but of course it can happen07:13
cjwatsonthere's a similar problem with Turkish07:14
cjwatsonno others07:14
Mirvit depends also on how much "random" people there are in each translation team, as it's generally known that in the early times of Launchpad many translation teams accepted too many members even though Rosetta QA was (and is) lacking07:16
keescookdoko: can you look at bug 102786?  Someone ran into problems with the python-uno upgrade (it looks like the pycentral call in the prerm is failing?)07:19
ubotuMalone bug 102786 in openoffice.org "python-uno fails during upgrade from 2.0.4-0ubuntu4 to 2.0.4-0ubuntu5" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10278607:19
keescookoh, you're already on it.  our comments to the bug crossed paths.  :P07:20
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fabbionecrossing the fluxes is BAD....07:20
fabbionebad is the life the way you know  it will stop instantly and each atom in your body will explode at light speed07:21
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keescookokay, that's bad.  important safety tip07:21
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lappyhey ogra thanks for the acceptance to PyStart07:22
fabbionekeescook: i guess you have never seen Ghostbuster 1.. did you? :)07:22
ograthanks for doing it :)07:22
keescookfabbione: you're being sarcastic, right?  "okay, that's bad.  important safety tip" was the next line.  :)07:23
fabbionekeescook: oh i didn't remember it in english.. i saw it in italian and doing a rought translation on the fly :)07:23
keescookfabbione: hehe. cool.   "If someone asks you if you're a god ...."07:24
fabbioneahha yeah i remember that07:24
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keescook"you say YES!"  :)  one of my favorites.  :)07:24
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iwj`Text mode install for manufacturers' is oem, I take it.07:44
ograyeah, that was changed recently iirc07:44
ograiwj, are you currently in a fresh install ? i'm looking for someone who can test something for me with RC i'm not sure its my machine that wrong ...07:45
lappyogra: what do you need tested?07:46
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ograscreensaver preview ... but be careful it crashes X for me over here if you click the "leave screensaver" button i'm not sure its my crappy ati card or its the screensaver 07:47
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iwjogra: Both my test systems are currently installing.07:50
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iwjAsk me again in a bit :-).07:51
ograiwj, yeah, will do :)07:51
ograif thats happening for others its an RC ... i'm a bit worried ...07:51
superm1currently firefox's update-notifier implementation copies over a file to /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d, but how does it signal to the running update-notifier process that it needs to show a popup?07:52
superm1i seem to be missing it somewhere in the postinst or something07:52
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superm1is the update-notifier process perhaps supposed to be holding a inotify on /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d?07:55
cjwatsonMithrandir,iwj: bug 105903 fixed in unapproved queue07:57
ubotuMalone bug 105903 in ubiquity "crazy french translation for "retour" and "suivant"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10590307:57
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Mithrandircjwatson: yay, great.07:57
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iwjcjwatson: Great.08:08
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superm1asac, ping08:11
iwjogra: So what was that test you wanted someone to do ?08:12
iwjI have a nice fresh `erase disk' ubiquity-created install here which isn't doing anything else right now.08:12
ograiwj, just start the screensaver preview and survive closing it 08:13
henoogra: I just tested it on a headless box I access via VNC. Just clicking the Preview button kills X there :(08:14
ograi was hoping that was only me08:14
henocan I get you some logs?08:15
iwjogra: All seems to work just fine for me.08:15
ograi have it here so i can dig through it ...08:15
ograok, two alternate reports ... for now i'll blame vnc ...08:15
ograheno, what kind of graphics card is that ? 08:16
ograi have an ati here ... 08:16
henoI'm doing another install so I can test it on real hardware soon08:16
henoogra: nvidia08:16
TreenaksKeybuk: pong08:16
henobut the vnc stuff is not very stable08:16
iwjI have some very boring P4 onboard graphics here.08:16
ograi'll try it with fglrx soon ...08:17
henotested in in virtual box, no problems there08:17
ograstrange ... but something isnt completely stable there it seems ...08:17
KeybukTreenaks: s'ok, pretty sure it's not avahi08:17
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iwjWhat exactly seems to me most likely to make it crash ?  Any particular screensaver ?  I've been in and out of the screensaver pref and the fullscreen mode, and selected different ones, and it works perfectly for me.08:22
iwjs/to me/to make/08:22
henoogra: I can confirm the X crash on two physical machines08:23
TreenaksKeybuk: ok :)08:23
ograiwj, i used the 3D-bubbles one (which is a 2d screensaver unlike the name indicates)08:23
ograbut i dont think it matters ... 08:24
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ScottKKeybuk: I tested your new network-manager_0.6.4-6ubuntu7 packages with Kubuntu both wired and wireless with no issues (was not having problems before either).08:24
fabbioneKeybuk: the upstart ttyS0 transition from edgy to feisty is not fixed yet.. Release Note?08:24
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henoI got it on a Toshiba laptop and and amd64 /w nvidia08:24
fabbioneKeybuk:  a reboot in that condition can leave users without access to the machine for a while08:24
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Keybukfabbione: it's on my list08:25
fabbioneKeybuk: ok08:25
iwjogra: Bubble3D I take it.  Yes, no problem.08:25
KeybukI don't quite understand why that doesn't work08:25
fabbioneKeybuk: do you want access on a machine to test?08:25
fabbioneKeybuk: i can set that up for you by tomorrow08:25
fabbioneKeybuk: or later this evening08:25
fabbioneyou tell me..08:25
keescookKeybuk: I'm still seeing snapshot races; they're just much more rare.  where should I record that? new bug or reopen old?08:26
Keybuknew bug08:27
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mdzany other feedback on the new N-M?08:27
mdzit needs regression testing as well as confirmation that it has fixed the main issue08:28
ogramdz, you have an ati card in your laptop, right ? 08:28
mdzogra: yes08:28
ograi fear i found an X crasher bug :(08:28
mdzmy X hasn't crashed in ages08:29
ogracould you try to open the screensaver preview and close it again ? 08:29
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ogra(colse all important stuff before)08:29
mdzit does corrupt the screen occasionally with the current driver08:29
ograit seems for me with an ati card/driver it crashes X ... heno saw it on an nvidia08:29
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mdzogra: no problems08:30
ograheno, was that an nv or nvidia driver ? 08:30
ogramdz, phew, ok08:30
mdzogra: I close it by clicking 'leave fullscreen'; is that what you do?08:30
henoogra: it was nv08:30
mdzogra: and which screensaver do you run?08:30
ograthats what dropys me out of X08:30
ogramdz, Bubble3D08:30
mdzI tried with blank, random and Bubble3D08:30
henoa clean ubuntu install on an amd64 desktop08:31
ograor any other i guess, i have stuff open i need to finish before testing more08:31
mdzprobably specific to certain cards08:31
ograheno, aha08:31
ograi have an amd64 as well here08:31
mdzin any case, not a release issue.  possible SRU if further analysis warrants it08:31
ograbut i386 install08:31
ograi was just cautious ... since i didnt see it before at all 08:31
henoi got in on an amd64 install and an i386 install on an i386 laptop08:32
ograbut if its not affecting all setups its ok for now08:32
henoI got it on 2 out of 3 :)08:32
henoplus the vnc one08:32
ograits surely not the most used functionality08:33
ograi.e. its no NM :)08:33
henotrue, but it can loose you data, which is bad08:33
henosay you have a long OOo doc open and X bails out08:33
ograi know what you mean 08:33
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henosolution might be to remove the preview button ...08:34
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keescookKeybuk: done. see bug 105936, with example test scripts.08:41
ubotuMalone bug 105936 in lvm2 "snapshot creation failure race "in use: not deactivating"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10593608:41
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ograso its the ati driver for me ... 08:44
ografglrx works flawless08:44
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tepsipakkiogra: file a bug and attach the log :)08:44
iwjThis oem install is freaky.  I've never done this before.  Is there a document saying what I'm expecting ?08:45
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iwjHello, anyone ?08:46
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cjwatsoniwj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/InstallMethods (fairly briefly)08:47
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cjwatsontypically the manufacturer does everything up to 'sudo oem-config-prepare', and the end user gets the next bit08:47
iwjOh FFS!  I typed  `sudo oem-config prepare'  and it did a very weird thing.08:47
cjwatsonbeen meaning to add a .desktop for that08:48
harpreetColin: Harpreet here from GlassFish. Just wanted to know the status for the packages08:48
iwjWhat does the `prepare' argument mean there ?08:48
cjwatson'sudo oem-config prepare' should crash with AttributeError08:48
cjwatsoniwj: frontend08:48
iwjcjwatson: It didn't.08:49
iwjIt produced a gui and updated initramfs and then the gui vanished.08:49
iwjHalfway through me fiddling with it.08:49
iwjI'll report a bug.08:49
cjwatsonoh, yeah, ok, -f is a frontend - yes, it should reject that, 'prepare' is meaningless08:50
cjwatsonharpreet: I did some review earlier today and what I saw was fine (and accepted), but it's been a very busy day08:50
cjwatsonharpreet: I'm looking at sunwderby at the moment08:51
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gnomefreakthere is no support for ppc in feisty right?08:51
ogracommunity support :)08:51
harpreetColin: Ok - thanks. I will just wait up for an email from you then08:52
gnomefreak:) but will it run it08:52
iwjIf I move something to the panel is it supposed to stick after the reboot ?08:52
gnomefreaki havent seen ISO;s for ppc 08:52
cjwatsonharpreet: are you prepared to test the binary packages from our archive?08:52
ograoh, wow, compiz doesnt generate a white screen for me anymore ...08:52
ogranot that it would work ... 08:52
cjwatsongnomefreak: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/08:53
cjwatsonand generally under /ports/08:53
gnomefreakty hmmm08:53
harpreetColin: That was my followup question. Where do we get the binary from your archive to test.08:53
cjwatsonharpreet: do you have an Ubuntu Feisty system up and running?08:53
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harpreetColin: yes08:55
xan_Hi, I asked this question in many ways: #ubuntu, #ubuntu+1, etc and no one answer me. Can you answer this tech question to me?08:55
xan_I only want to know how to disable that checkfs.sh checks all the filesystems and achieve that it only checks /08:56
cjwatsonharpreet: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager, make sure multiverse is turned on in Settings -> Repositories, search for your package names and install them08:56
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iwjAnyway, it seems to have worked anyway and that strange rune didn't do any harm.08:57
iwjSo that's the dvd done apart from winfoss.08:57
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cjwatsonxan_: set the pass field in /etc/fstab to 0 for the filesystems you don't want to check; see 'man fstab'08:57
xan_I have no field08:58
harpreetColin: Ok08:58
xan_I can't show you the fstab because I have no internet connection in the other computer08:59
mjg59xan_: This isn't a support channel08:59
xan_but cjwatson I have no field (nop 0, nop 1, ...) in fstab08:59
cjwatsonxan_: please read the man page to which I referred you09:00
cjwatsonit has all the necessary information09:00
cjwatsonharpreet: the imq binary should be available within an hour09:00
cjwatsonharpreet: I just accepted the sunwderby source, but the binary will need manual approval later09:01
harpreetColin: Ok. I will need all of them to test this out.09:01
xan_cjwatson: collin, please, I believe that all filesystems appeared or not in fstab are checked from /etc/init.d/checfs.sh09:01
xan_is it correct?09:01
harpreetColin: What does that mean? I apologize I do not understand the entire process09:01
cjwatsonxan_: I have already given you your answer.09:01
cjwatsonxan_: your belief is incorrect (unless there is a serious bug)09:02
cjwatsonsee the fsck man page09:02
desrtjohanbr; u09:02
cjwatsonharpreet: progress :-)09:02
xan_in feisty beta so?09:02
cjwatsonharpreet: the binary is what you need to actually install it from the package manager, but the source is the thing we really seriously review09:02
cjwatsonsource gets automatically built into binaries on our build daemons09:03
cjwatsonthe cron jobs that fire that off happen roughly hourly (there's lots of detail there but it isn't relevant)09:03
harpreetColin: Where are you located?09:06
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cjwatsonharpreet: Cambridge, England09:07
harpreetColin: Cool.09:07
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harpreetColin: So I wait up an hour for getting all the binary packages and test it out. Once we are okay - I let you know. 09:08
sohofound a bug, totem wont play mpgets-files in feisty. it opens the add-software dialog and suggests a gstreamer-plugin which i installed.09:09
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cjwatsonharpreet: glassfish Depends: sunwderby (>= ${Source-Version}), imq (>= ${Source-Version}), sun-java5-jre, glassfish-bin (>= ${Source-Version})09:09
harpreetColin: Yes09:10
cjwatsonharpreet: I won't reject this upload for that, but ${Source-Version} is wrong there09:10
cjwatsonyou may only use that for binaries from the same source package09:10
cjwatsonsunwderby, imq, and glassfish-bin are all from totally separate source packages and thus their version numbers are (theoretically) independent09:10
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cjwatsonharpreet: as it is, any future upload of glassfish without also uploading the others will break09:11
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cjwatsonI would suggest just writing normal version numbers in place of ${Source-Version} there09:11
Solarionare all of you able to reach C3 and/or C4 processor powersaving states?09:11
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TreenaksI am09:11
harpreetColin: the future uploads of GF will also upload the others as we actually build it lock-step09:12
SolarionTreenaks: do you have hci_usb?09:12
cjwatsonharpreet: likewise in glassfish-bin09:12
Solarionsomething on my box is blocking C309:12
cjwatsonharpreet: you mean that you intend to merge all of those into one source package?09:12
TreenaksSolarion: what's that?09:12
TreenaksSolarion: kernel module? yes.09:12
harpreetColin: No not right away. What happens is we build this from one codebase and we have packaged them separately.09:13
SolarionTreenaks: feisty?09:13
TreenaksSolarion: yes09:13
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cjwatsonharpreet: ok, in that case the Depends lines are definitely a bug and need to be corrected09:13
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cjwatsonif they're separate source packages, you really can't assume that other source packages will be the same versions09:14
pittiugh, back from mega install testing09:14
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pittiso, this expert install was kind of messy, but the rest went well09:14
cjwatsonharpreet: an hour> it will take a little longer for all of them to be available, I'm afraid09:14
cjwatsonharpreet: imq will be available within the hour09:14
SolarionTreenaks: may I msg you?09:14
TreenaksSolarion: I don't think I can help you fix your bug09:15
SolarionI just want to know what things are keeping me from C309:15
harpreetColin: but we do no need the sunwderby, glassfish-bin, imq for glassfish.09:16
micahcowanWhat can you do with a coredump, if you lack the program that dumped it? (Assuming you're an expert developer/debugger)09:17
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pittiKeybuk: hm, did you ever try a raid-1 install in expert mode? I just did, and booting the result threw me at an initramfs prompt; I had to manually do 'mount /dev/md0 /root' to continue09:18
pittiKeybuk: yesterday I did something similar with a different layout and it worked, so it's a rather special case, I figure (not RC critical)09:19
pittimicahcowan: not much, I'm afraid09:19
micahcowanpitti, surely there must be a way to get assembly dumps from the core program, at least? I mean, the code is in there, along with stack values, etc. ? What tools would you use to get that?09:20
pittimicahcowan: but the code is not contained in the core dump09:21
pittimicahcowan: it just has references to the executables and libraries09:21
harpreetColin: are you indicating that this needs to be fixed for this release.09:21
cjwatsonharpreet: no09:21
cjwatsonI'm just saying it's a bug09:21
cjwatsonharpreet: OK, I've accepted all the source packages now09:22
harpreetColin: whew ... I will file it :-)09:22
cjwatsonharpreet: I'm going out for the evening shortly (it's late here), but I'll accept the binaries when I get back09:22
cjwatson(assuming there are no obvious showstoppers there)09:22
fabbionepitti: what bootloader did you chose?09:22
pittifabbione: grub, same as yesterday09:22
fabbionepitti: what layout did you use?09:22
fabbioneraid-1 has been working forever...09:23
harpreetColin: So will you send an email that says this to me. Everyone here is on pin and needles and your email will calm things down09:23
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harpreetColin: I mean after you accept it ofcourse :-)09:23
pittifabbione: /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda7 -> /dev/md0, with /dev/hda6 as /boot09:23
micahcowanpitti, but isn't the executable code loaded into VM at the time the process is running? I had thought that the coredump included everything in that process's VM at the time of dump?09:23
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fabbionepitti: hmm interesting... did you grab the boot logs without splash/quiet?09:24
pittifabbione: no, I didn't, it wasn't a vmware install; I can do some photos of it, though09:25
fabbionecan you reproduce it reliably?09:25
fabbioneif so it would be worth to look at it09:25
cjwatsonharpreet: done09:25
fabbionei am kind of curious if initramfs gets confused by /boot not being on raid109:25
cjwatsonharpreet: oh, sure, I'll tell you when it's (about to be) available09:26
pittifabbione: reproduce in the sense of booting the broken installation again, yes09:26
harpreetColin: Thanks. I will check my email in an hour/two and test it out and send you a reply.09:26
pittifabbione: I wasn't sure whether the mdadm d-i module would get along without a separate /boot09:26
pittifabbione: on my production server I don't have a separate /boot, everything is on raid (but I use lilo there)09:26
cjwatsonharpreet: FWIW, cjwatson@ubuntu.com is a perfectly good e-mail address for me (and actually I prefer it), so I got both your mails ;-)09:26
pittifabbione: I already wondered whether md devices get proper uuids, but since it worked yesterday, I guess that's not it09:27
fabbionepitti: mdadm get along with root/boot on raid09:27
fabbionealso in d-i09:27
harpreetColin: Okay. I have figured you folks at Canonical prefer irc over emails. :-). 09:27
fabbionei used that setup for ages on sparc09:27
harpreetColin: Thanks for the email. Have a good evening ahead.09:27
fabbionepitti: ok.. if you can get the data out it's worth looking at it.. it might be a corner case that's not so corner as we think09:28
cjwatsonharpreet: IRC can be faster although e-mail is better if you need reliability09:28
pittifabbione: I prefer it as well (separate /boot is a big ugly imho), but it should still work09:28
pittifabbione: no problem, let me boot again and do some shots09:28
fabbionepitti: yeps09:28
harpreetColin: yep. So will test this stuff and let you know before I go.09:28
keescookmicahcowan: the core file only contains the program memory and various maps, not the executable itself.09:30
pittihi keescook 09:31
keescookhiya pitti!09:31
micahcowanOkay. Thanks keescook, pitti.09:31
keescookpitti: related to core files, shouldn't I be able to generate coredumps of installed binaries that have prior crashes?  (ulimit -c unlimited; sleep 120 &; kill -SEGV %1)  I was only able to do this after copying sleep to the local directory, or after removing /var/crash/*sleep*09:33
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Solarionany recommendations for finding out what's preventing the processor from reaching C3?09:38
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pittifabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/raid1-bootfail-1.jpg http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/raid1-bootfail-2.jpg09:47
fabbionepitti: thanks09:48
pittifabbione: pretty messy, no fstab, some modprobe failure, I wasn't sure about the root cause09:48
imbrandonKeybuk, got a sec?09:48
fabbionepitti: no fstab?09:48
fabbionelooks like something went foo bar with the installation 09:49
fabbionebut totally09:49
pittifabbione: nope09:49
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fabbioneprobably you will never be able to reproduce that install09:49
pittifabbione: oh, I probably will, wasn't too complicated09:49
pittifabbione: since the actual fstab is on /dev/md0, which wasn't mounted at that time, I assume that the initramfs has a copy?09:49
pittifabbione: I can access the initramfs from here09:50
fabbionepitti: initramfs doesn't need fstab09:50
fabbioneit only needs to find root via root=/dev09:50
pittifabbione: why does it try to access it then?09:50
fabbionepitti: it looks to me that initramfs things that root is mounted.. but the raid starts later09:51
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fabbionecan you check what's in /proc/cmdline?09:51
pittifabbione: hmm, it started before IIRC09:51
fabbionepitti: note on pic 209:51
pittifabbione: I can reboot to find out, but should it differ from the options given in grub?09:51
fabbionemd: md0 stopper09:51
pittibut that's after the failure09:52
pittiit was there before09:52
fabbioneit might differ.. you don't need to reboot09:52
pittifabbione: and on the initramfs prompt I can mount it09:52
fabbioneyes it's after the failure only on printk09:52
fabbionedo you have to wait 3 minutes to get there?09:52
fabbioneor it prompts quickly into the initramfs?09:52
pittifabbione: no, almost immediately09:53
pittifabbione: kernel boots, checks for resume image, and wham, there I am09:53
fabbionepitti: then file a bug on initramfs.. it thinks that the raid is there but it's not09:53
fabbionepitti: otherwise it would wait for the raid to be formed09:53
fabbionei wonder if i can reproduce it in vmware09:54
pittifabbione: hm, indeed it says 'md0 stopped' before the error as well09:54
fabbionebut not tonight09:54
fabbionei am way too tired09:54
pittifabbione: yesterday I did a vmware install and that went fine09:54
fabbionepitti: i think you need to talk to iwj too.. i have the feeling that what happens is:09:54
pittifabbione: no worries; thanks for having a look09:54
fabbioneraid is started with one disk09:54
fabbioneinitramfs finds the raid09:54
fabbioneat the same time mdadm stops the raid to add the second disk09:55
pittiyay race conditions09:55
fabbioneinitramfs tries to mount a device that's there but not working09:55
pittifabbione: I think I can find that out by watching the booting again09:55
fabbioneand bam09:55
fabbioneyes.. worth looking09:55
pittifabbione: I'm pretty sure that the raid was up before, but the 'md0 stopped' seems to support your theory09:55
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fabbioneonce the raid is mounted you can't stop it.. but it might be a race09:56
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pittifabbione: you are right10:02
pittifabbione: it boots, md doesn't find anything, so md fails and initramfs says 'waiting for root fs'10:02
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pittifabbione: then it binds sda5, unbinds sda5, binds sda7 and then it's up10:02
pittibut at that time I'm already at the prompt10:02
fabbionepitti: you really want to talk to iwj about it10:02
pittiright, will do; thanks10:03
pittifabbione: that would be a bug against what then?10:03
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fabbionei think both mdadm and initramfs can be blamed.. but make it RC10:03
fabbionethis is definetely a blocker10:03
fabbionenot being able to boot on raid is a problem for servers10:03
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fabbionepitti: file it against mdadm/initramfs.. affects also.. and make sure both Scott and Ian are aware of it10:04
fabbionei need to get some rest10:04
fabbione6am -> 10pm is a bit too much10:04
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pittifabbione: bug 79204 sounds similar10:06
pittifabbione: good night!10:06
ubotuMalone bug 79204 in initramfs-tools "boot on md raid drives fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7920410:06
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koflerWhat package gives me /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ and all the files therein?10:07
kofleri.e. Makefile.10:07
koflerI can't seem to find any package that does this and I have all these installed: 2.6.17-11-generic10:08
ograogra@edubuntu:~$ ls -l  /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/build10:09
ogralrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2007-04-12 18:56 /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic10:09
koflerEr, oops, I meant: http://phpfi.com/22615510:09
ograogra@edubuntu:~$ dpkg -S /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic10:09
ogralinux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-14-generic10:09
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koflerThanks ogra.10:11
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pittiyay, my guess about the hanging desktop was right10:20
pitticjwatson: still awake?10:20
avoinethere is a expert of gtk that know why the library libgtk-directfb was remove in feisty?10:21
seb128pitti: what hanging desktop?10:21
pittiseb128: I did an expert install and with that it took a minute for gnome to even begin loading10:22
seb128avoine: likely because it was deprecated, we will make gtk+2.0 build it next cycle10:22
seb128pitti: lo not correctly configured?10:22
pittiseb128: now I tracked it down to a missing loopback iface10:22
pittiseb128: right10:22
seb128it's the classic reason10:22
pittiooh, that bugs is already known and ages old, bug 953210:22
ubotuMalone bug 9532 in netcfg "skipping over netcfg means that lo doesn't get configured" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/953210:23
seb128yeah, as said, that's the usual reason for gnome-session hanging10:23
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seb128that and clock set 1907 or something10:23
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seb128known for netcfg as well10:24
pittiseb128: right, I often get that clock problem on my laptop when I managed to drain the battery while it was suspended :)10:24
seb128I should have a look at making gnome-session display a dialog or something when lo is not configured rather than hanging10:24
pitticjwatson: unping10:25
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seb128carlos: around?10:26
pittigreat, so the two breakages on my expert install are filed, and the rest went without a hitch10:26
avoinethanks seb128 10:26
seb128pitti: when are we going to roll language packs for feisty?10:26
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pittiseb128: right after RC10:26
seb128and no update after that?10:27
pittiseb128: today I fixed langpack-o-matic for software-properties, so tomorrow's dailies should be good10:27
pittiseb128: well, the usual monthly updates in -proposed/-updates10:27
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seb128k, just to know until when we can get translation dones10:27
seb128not cool10:27
seb128update-manager is still not translatable10:27
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seb128pitti: no .pot built during build, I fixed it yesterday but rosetta still didn't import it10:28
seb128so the "Static configuration" option is not translatable10:28
pittiseb128: I think carlos has to manually approve new templates10:28
seb128I chassed the missing french translations yesterday10:28
seb128he did approve it this morning10:28
seb128I'm wondering is rosetta is overloaded also or something10:29
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BenCBTW, if anyone can test these kernels, I'd appreciate it. Release timeline depends on a good round of testing10:34
BenCmain thing is that your storage controller isn't regressed10:34
Solarionr300 and uhci_hcd are the culprits10:34
BenCe.g. you can get to all your static disks on IDE and libata driven controllers10:35
BenCas well as CDROM10:35
Mirvseb128: is the update-manager translation now in the general language packs instead of the kde packs, or is that a problem too, still?10:38
seb128Mirv: update-manager was no to the kde pack10:38
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dholbachbrb with new kernel10:39
carlosseb128: the queue is burning10:40
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seb128carlos: like too many items there?10:40
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seb128carlos: how come it happens today?10:41
carlosseb128: well, the problem we had yesterday delayed things a bit10:41
carlosseb128: and it's finishing with evolution .po files10:41
Mirvseb128: oh yes, it's the software-properties, and it's still in the kde pack. ok.10:41
carloswhich are big and we are slow to import them10:42
seb128carlos: is there a public location with the queue order?10:42
carlosseb128: did you upload a new evolution version? or it's just a small fix done in Ubuntu?10:42
carlosseb128: https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/imports/+index?target=all&status=APPROVED&type=all&start=0&batch=7510:43
seb128carlos: when? we did upload GNOME 2.18.1 monday and tuesday10:43
carlosso that's a new evolution10:43
carloslet me check it anyway10:43
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carlosif this is just a local update I can remove those entries from the queue10:44
carlosso we speed it a bit10:44
seb128carlos: is the queue going to catch up before tomorrow?10:44
carlosonce evolution finish, it should be quite fast10:45
Solarionbug 10501110:45
ubotuMalone bug 105011 in Ubuntu "Unable to reach C3 or C4 powersaving states when uhci_hcd is in kernel, or radeon driver (r300) is in use." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10501110:45
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carlosbut I'm not sure as we only have a couple of hours and each evolution .po file takes a lot of time..10:45
dholbachBenC: both my i386s are happy with the new kernel - the amd64 is not - it hangs in busybox and says 'job control stopped' or something - is there anything i can do to debug it?10:45
seb128BenC: new kernel works fine on my laptop (i386) do you want details on the config or something?10:46
carlosseb128: those .po files were uploaded yesterday10:46
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carlosso I guess that was a local upload for an already existing version in Ubuntu, right?10:46
seb128carlos: you can ignore the po, we need to .pot though because we distro added a string10:47
BenCdholbach: Can you boot without quiet/splash and see if you get some kernel messages?10:48
dholbachBenC: sure, hang on10:48
Solarionis emacs 22 going to be in gibbon?10:49
tepsipakkiSolarion: it's released?10:49
henoBenC: works fine on an i386 install here (amd64 hw) with a sata drive10:49
Solariontepsipakki: in the next few weeks10:50
BenCheno, seb128: thanks10:50
tepsipakkiSolarion: sweet10:50
SolarionI had thought the betas would be in universe10:50
carlosseb128: everything removed except the .pot file10:50
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carlosthat would speed a bit the imports10:50
seb128carlos: cool, thank you10:50
Solarionheya seb128 10:52
seb128hi Solarion10:53
Solarionat least I figured out where my C3 went, I guess.  :/10:53
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dholbachBenC: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/PICT1777.JPG11:01
mjg59dholbach: Need the page before that11:01
mjg59dholbach: shift+pgup should work11:01
dholbachmjg59: ok, hang on11:02
ArbyBenC: new kernel is fine here i386 with SATA drive11:02
dholbachBenC: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/PICT1781.JPG11:04
dholbachmjg59: ^ too11:05
mjg59dholbach: Hm. Looks like even earlier than that :)11:05
BenCyeah, see if you can find some hpa resize stuff11:05
mjg59The section where it probes the hard drive11:05
pittidholbach, mjg59: something like that for you as well? http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/14.23-boot-failure.jpg11:05
BenClooks like we might have an ABI bump to get the hpa revalidation right :/11:06
mjg59pitti: That's consistent with the most likely place for it to fail, yeah11:06
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pittiinteresting 64 bit numbers there11:07
dholbachah yeah - it looks very much like what pitti has there11:07
mjg59pitti: Uninitialised memory, at a guess11:07
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BenCyeah, not sure how that huge number came back from the native size read11:07
pittiBenC: on my second line there's another failed comparison which isn't that far off11:07
mjg59BenC: Urp. Worryingly, take a look at the hpa_sectors line on Pitti's grab.11:08
BenCmjg59: yeah, some odd numbers11:09
pittiBenC: do you need the geometries of my HDs?11:09
BenCsame numbers on dholbach's11:10
BenCgive me a minute to read this code again, see if anything is glaringly wrong with the logic11:11
BenC        /* if no hpa, both should be equal */11:11
BenCmjg59: that seems to be an incorrect assumption :)11:12
mjg59The alternative is that there's a bug in the reading code11:12
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mjg59pitti: What do you get if you mask off the top ones?11:12
BenCmjg59: is the hpa capability check just to see if the drive supports HPA, or to see if the drive has an HP area?11:13
mjg59Just checks the capability, I believe11:13
mjg59You'd need to check the ATA specs to be sure11:13
mjg59Yeah. Still not right.11:14
pittiBenC: your number is for dholbach's?11:15
BenCpitti: it's the hex you pasted minus 0xfffffff0000000011:16
BenCerr, 0xffffffff0000000011:16
pittiBenC: hm, I calculated it twice and I get 2946604720, but anyway, it doesn't seem 'more' correct11:16
pittiBenC: I raise you to 3000000000!11:16
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BenCI think you've got me covered though11:17
pittiI originally hope that converting it to hex would reveal a sensible string or so11:17
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pittiBenC: oh, 14.23 is already uploaded?11:19
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BenCpitti: Yes, but that's a minor point...Tollef wont get a chance to do d-i/cd stuff till the morning anyway11:20
BenCpitti, dholbach: Can you test another kernel in about 30 minutes?11:20
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dholbachBenC: no problemo - just tell me what you need11:20
BenCi386 or amd64?11:20
dholbachamd64 is the broken one11:20
pittiBenC: yes11:20
pittidholbach: amd6411:21
seb128linux upgrade works correctly on my amd64 desktop using i386 distro as well11:21
BenCodd that it seems amd64 specific11:21
henoBenC: I have a stall on an amd64 as well now11:22
BenCmjg59: do you think something is borked in ata_tf_to_lba48() or ata_tf_to_lba()?11:22
mjg59Could well be11:22
mjg59Symptoms are similar to when that was just returning gash11:23
BenCwe're using u64 everywhere, but those functions are twiddling bits11:23
henoso, erm, guys how do I boot from grub with usplash off11:23
mjg59Remove splash from the command line11:23
Kmosheno: sudo apt-get remove usplash11:23
Nafalloremove quiet11:23
Nafallofrom the kernel commandline11:24
BenCheno: 'e' to edit the entry, 'e' to edit the command line, edit it, return and 'b' to boot11:24
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mjg59Nafallo: No...11:24
mjg59Though you'll want to do that as well11:24
mjg59Removing quiet doesn't imply a lack of splash11:24
Nafalloah, right. that changed some time ago :-P11:25
kylemBenC, all the testing was done on amd64...11:25
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kylemby me, that is.11:25
BenCI tested it on my amdt64 too11:26
BenCbut it may be that only lba or lba48 is broken11:26
BenChence, maybe we didn't hit the codepath11:26
BenCpitti's is at least showing LBA4811:26
kylemunlikely to be hitting the LBA codepath11:27
BenChmm, so am I11:27
BenCpitti, dholbach: What's the actual size of your hd's?11:29
pittiBenC: hda is 10 GB in total, hdc is 120 GB (imho, let me check again)11:29
kylemLBA28 is (1 << 28) sectors * 512 bytes/sector11:30
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kylemhmm, so conceivable your hda might be lba28.11:30
pittiBenC: sorry, hdc (mapped to sdb) is 160 GB11:31
pittiBenC: and hda (sda) is 13 GB11:31
BenCit's the larger one that shows the 0xffffffff00000000 craziness11:31
pitti[   28.005896]  ata1.00: 25408559 sectors, multi 16: LBA 11:31
pitti[   28.357830]  ata2.00: 312581808 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 11:31
pitti^ with 14.22 kernel11:32
pitti[   28.404219]  SCSI device sda: 25408559 512-byte hdwr sectors (13009 MB)11:32
pitti[   28.547102]  SCSI device sdb: 312581808 512-byte hdwr sectors (160042 MB)11:32
BenC-14.23 is showing a native size of 25410672 for the 13G drive11:32
pittiBenC: right, and 25408559 is on the left-hand side, that's what .22 reports11:33
kylemBenC, uh. where's that patch again?11:33
BenCkylem: it's in git11:33
BenCthe hpa on the second one is showing smaller for ata_hpa_resize, for the ata_same_device() it's showing some whacked crap11:34
pittiBenC: (left-hand side of the comparison in 14.23, I mean)11:34
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BenCif it's smaller, that's fine, it gets ignored11:35
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BenCguess the question is why are we showing some whacked number in ata_same_device() compared to the previous native read in ata_hpa_resize()11:35
bfafter following instructions in Bug #52685, I know have none of hte duplicate files installed in /etc/Xsession.d, despite that fact that dpkg -L x11-common suggests otherwise.  Anyone have any ideas on why apt/dpkg claims to have installed the files yet they are not on disk?11:36
ubotuMalone bug 52685 in xorg "x11-common installs dup files" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5268511:36
kylemBenC, i think the disk isn't set up the same when we call ata_same_device the second time...11:39
kylemprobably why we were saving the n_sectors_boot...11:40
BenCata_hpa_resize is called, then it does some device checks (LBA, ID's, etc), then it does ata_same_device()11:41
pitti"REBUILDING: 20070412 are REJECTED" -> ah, waiting for the new kernel? or any other problems?11:41
BenCnot sure what could be disabled in between there11:41
BenCnot sure why it is even recovering devices during this process anyway11:41
BenCpitti: new n-m too I think11:42
pittiah, right11:42
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dholbachBenC: [   21.666336]  SCSI device sda: 781422768 512-byte hdwr sectors (400088 MB)11:45
BenCpitti, dholbach: Give me a little bit to rebuild a new kernel11:45
dholbachBenC: np11:45
pittijust a little warning, if I drop off the network, n-m screwed me11:45
Nafallopitti: :-)11:46
mvoI guess I'm a bit tired already, but why is 20070412 rejected as image?11:49
pittimvo: new kernel + network manager, I assume11:49
mdzmvo: see Colin's post to -devel-announce11:49
pittiok, booting again for testing Keybuk's new n-m, brgb11:50
pittibrb, even11:50
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mvomdz: thanks, my impression was that this mail was about 2007041111:51
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bfany help with my apt/deb x11-common question? Why might the package skip installed conf files?11:52
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tepsipakkibf: maybe just because of that.. conffiles are not removed on upgrade11:53
tepsipakkiit should be done by the package scripts11:53
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tepsipakkibf: I'll reopen the bug11:53
bftepsipakki: is there a good way to force it to?  Might not help the bug, but I'd like to have a usable X.11:54
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tepsipakkibf: oh, so you removed all of them :)11:54
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bfwell, that was the suggestion approach...11:54
bferr.  suggested11:55
tepsipakkino, it was suggested to remove the *xorg-common* files11:55
tepsipakkinot *x11-common*11:56
bf"remove (sudo rm) all duplicate files (from both x11-common and xinit packages)"11:56
bfDid i misinterprete that?11:56
tepsipakkior maybe not11:56
mdzmvo: well, the issues apply to both unfortunately11:56
mdzbf: dpkg --force-confmiss11:57
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bfmdz: whee12:00
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bfmdz:  that seems to have worked.  thanks.  i suppose I should update the bug report?12:01
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tepsipakkibf: well, I updated it already12:01
BenCpitti, dholbach: Ok, built and uploading...should be 5 minutes12:01
dholbachrock on12:01
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j1mci've been away today . . .  will an additional RC candidate image be released tomorrow? 12:03
dholbachBenC: same place? finished uploading?12:06
BenCalmost done12:06
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pittiBenC: can you give me the md5sum, just to be sure? my ISP's transparent proxy is sometimes funny12:07
BenC9008b8fe14597a713fd0b8778b3638a8  linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_amd64.deb12:08
BenCsame location12:08
tepsipakkiBenC: .23 worked for me12:09
dholbachpitti: looks like12:09
dholbachI have the same md5sum12:09
tepsipakkithe previous one12:09
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BenCtepsipakki: thanks12:10
pittiyep, md5sum matches12:10
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pittiBenC: is there any way to disable pata at the kernel command line?12:10
pittibooting live CD and dpkg -i'ing older kernel in a chroot is a bit painful12:10
BenCpitti: you mean pata in general, or disable libata-pata in favor of ide?12:10
BenCoh, no, you are just at my mercy for this testing phase :)12:11
pittihm, I don't know; having normal IDE drives back would do it, I guess12:11
dholbachBenC: looks GOOD!12:11
dholbachyou ROCK!12:11
BenCno, I just reverted the patch back to kyle's original12:12
BenCI such because I broke it :)12:12

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