[12:13] I don't think that the UYVY-bug is important enough to basically update radeon_video.c from git-master [12:18] nope, if it requires that. I'll reopen the bug in malone, btw. === k001 [n=k001@unaffiliated/k001] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Nos] === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-devel [".:porc::inca::dito::love:."] [12:20] Mirv: yep, thanks [12:20] soon we'll have 6.6.191 (or newer) anyway ;) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] edubuntu amd64 server and addon are fine [12:30] ogra: don't need to test this one? === gordon [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-250-45.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-ded1badc92ebdbcd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] doko: CD === dsas [n=dean@ubuntu/member/dsas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@220-253-139-6.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] good evening [12:59] good evening mdz [01:01] mvo: how do things look? === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] mdz: good so far, I send you a mail earlier === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] mvo: the one to tollef, or a different one? === ogra kicks LP [01:08] mdz: that one to tollef that I CCed you, he asked about the upgrade test status === ogra tries since 20 min to make the damned bug submit page react GRRR [01:08] ogra: LP is a bit slow today for me too [01:09] mvo, 20min for one bug ? === ogra copies and pastes the text and starts over [01:10] mvo: right, ok === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === faga [n=faga@201.91.68.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === acacs [n=acacs@20132161195.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Is anyone working on this bug : bug 105573 ? [01:37] Malone bug 105573 in network-manager "gnome NetworkManager doesn't see any wired or wireless network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105573 [01:37] I just come accross it after an update ... [01:38] hmm, just found where the problem come from, no need to check it :) [01:39] mdz: you know, I think that x-ttcidfont-conf bug may simply be that defoma-app is widdling all over stdout and confusing debconf === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:53] cjwatson: can you spare a moment to look at bug 99908. [01:53] Malone bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99908 [01:53] just happened to me with kubuntu 20070411 build [01:54] Arby: much of the problem seems to be that you're low on memory [01:55] bug 105234 [01:55] Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105234 [01:55] someone need to fix this [01:55] 8 duplicates [01:55] cjwatson: fair enough as long as that's all it is. [01:55] after my earlier comment I realised my suggestion to edit commit.d/30parted was bogus, as update-dev is called by a later script [01:55] Arby: it's not entirely clear [01:55] but there are definitely signs in syslog of things failing due to out-of-memory, or processes being killed, or whatever [01:56] if that's what it is then the installer should still respond more gracefully [01:56] how do i get gnome network manager to show up in my systray? [01:56] cjwatson: anything else I can do? [01:58] ah it was /usr/bin/nm-applet [01:58] cjwatson: as long as your happy it's not a show stopper it can be dealt with $later [01:58] I just wanted to check [01:58] Arby: add more memory and see if it still happens? :-) === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] I think it probably isn't a showstopper, as I believe it's the only report I've received of this form [01:59] cjwatson: pass some over then :) [01:59] cjwatson: fair enough [01:59] though that doesn't mean I'm dismissing it [01:59] that's fine it just doens't need to be chased at this late stage [02:00] as long as I know I'm fine with that [02:00] if you want me to try anything in future just shout. [02:01] will do, thanks [02:02] mdz: can you reproduce that weird debconf-related hang at will? as in if you do the same install again does it still happen? [02:03] mdz: if so, I'd appreciate /var/log/syslog from an installation attempt with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer set on the kernel command line [02:08] cjwatson: Can I upload a new hotkey-setup? I'm not actually too fussed as to whether it's accepted for feisty (though it's approximately no-risk), but i'd rather have it sitting in a queue than depending on me remembering to upload it again when +1 is open [02:08] (Or does the queue not work that way?) === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu wonders when Feisty+1 will be named === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.221.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] Fujitsu, i think it's already named. But I don't know the name. === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-234-220.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] Who are the soc mentors? [02:39] They're wanted on slashnet.. [02:39] ...or anyone who can speak on their behalf. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon25330.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D81E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] anyone here experiencing bug #82314? [02:53] Malone bug 82314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "pata driver in libata not mounting /home" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82314 [02:54] basically Host Protected Area drives not being supported by libata-pata === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dandel [n=dandel@pool-71-96-79-153.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] about bug 105234 and duplicates: i think i have a fix. i'm not certain it's not a "hack", but brief testing shows that it works fine and even if it is slightly hacky i dont believe it has any other side effects. should i post & have someone else review this? [03:13] Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105234 === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kads [n=kthakore@CPE001310a1899c-CM001692fa7e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] may anyone who knows about NetworkManager take a look at this patch (last comment)? bug 105234 [03:37] Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105234 [03:39] xtknight: What timezone are you on? [03:39] Most developers have hit bed, so tomorrow is almost certainly a better bet [03:39] eastern US Wed Apr 11 9:39pm [03:39] k [03:40] Ask Mithrandir about it tomorrow - he's been looking at NM a little [03:40] But he's pretty busy, so don't expect an immediate response === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-76-211-246-68.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erikgz [n=erik@125-238-159-178.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sonictwin [n=ryan@c-68-61-98-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.131.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kads [n=kthakore@CPE001310a1899c-CM001692fa7e8e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gilles [n=chatzill@dsl-153-100.aei.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gilles [n=chatzill@dsl-153-100.aei.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thepumpkin1979 [n=jhernand@190.72.175.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] Does someone know which part of Launchpad is GPL and which part it isn't? === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__ [n=jga@p85.212.5.91.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] rpereira, that question is better addressed to #launchpad [05:00] oh, nm, you're there already :-) [05:00] mpt: yes, after I posted here, I used my brain.... :) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-29-200.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === pranav_ [n=pranav@mnit.ac.in] has joined #ubuntu-devel === faga [n=faga@201.91.68.204] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === MetaBookfoziS [n=sajt@53d82bea.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === jtholmes [n=chatzill@72-254-59-234.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luke-jr_work [n=luke-jr@user-0c93tj3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lappy [n=lappy@dsl-hvkgw1-fe6ffa00-119.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === microphone_not_w [n=gp@122.162.61.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] hi [06:24] hi === sonictwin [n=ryan@c-68-61-98-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b5d918df37b1099e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp109-216.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erikgz_ [n=erik@125-238-141-69.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@ip79.134.1511H-CUD12K-03.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] hi all [07:20] Does anyone know when the RC will be released? [07:23] when it's ready [07:23] :) [07:23] So it isn't? [07:24] i haven't said that :) [07:24] Does the yesterday daily live build has any disadvantage? [07:25] If you can install, you can always upgrade :) [07:25] So theoretically they are build like the rc or beta candidate? [07:25] afaik, all CD images are the same.. it's just that some images get to be blessed into 'Beta' images etc. [07:26] cool, thanks [07:26] Than the RC can be released when it is ready ;) [07:26] yesterday's image might be RC..might be not [07:26] but for sure they are pretty good === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:27] If only some packages differ it is no real problem. It just should have no disadvantages for upgrading. === pygi [n=mario@83-131-81-201.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] I would like to congratulate everybody who got into SoC, so congrats folks ^_^ [07:28] Thanks and cu all. === LetoTo [n=paul@bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@2-169.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulmolavender [n=neptunep@adsl-75-62-110-120.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] Mithrandir: I think bug 82335 reappeared yesterday. If not, another bug with the same symtoms :) [08:05] Malone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82335 [08:06] mdke: no, that's intentional. Apps think they're offline, but the NM doesn't manage any devices in that case, so it thinks it's offline. [08:07] Mithrandir: well, you originally fixed that bug... the fix was reverted intentionally? [08:08] all I know if that I have a big fat icon in my panel which tells me I have no network devices. That can't be a good thing === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] mdke: does gaim and epiphany believe you are online or offline? [08:08] Mithrandir: no, that part is ok [08:09] (online) [08:10] then the fix is working correctly. [08:10] it's just the icon which is wrong [08:10] not really, it should just read "no managed devices" and not "no devices" [08:11] what's the point of that? [08:11] surely the whole point of the n-m icon is to allow people to quickly configure their network devices [08:11] I was really loving it for switching wifi networks [08:11] now I can't :( [08:12] hm, you have a static, wired eth0 and an dhcp, wireless eth1? [08:12] if so, it should list the wireless interface. [08:13] dhcp everything [08:14] even so, it seems that even people using static shouldn't get that red exclamation mark in their panel telling them something is wrong [08:14] s/seems/seems to me [08:15] oh, and the mouseover message is "No network connection" === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere? [08:17] Mithrandir: ok. http://pastebin.ca/435901 - I've taken out all the white lines. === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] dunno what eth2, ath0 and wlan0 are - I don't have any of those [08:17] "wireless-essid belkin54g" is a kind of static configuration and NM won't touch it because of that. [08:18] but it should list eth0 in the list, but it might be greyed out if you don't have a cable plugged in [08:18] how's the testing going? kubuntu, specifically? [08:19] Mithrandir: that's fine. My point is, n-m is wrong to tell people they don't have a network connection, and the whole point of that icon is that i provides them with a good indication of whether their network is up or not. [08:19] until yesterday, I mean [08:20] mdke: except it doesn't when you have weird setups and those kind of weird setups were more common than I thought [08:21] Mithrandir: was there something wrong with the way it was working since you fixed the bug and until the last upgrade? because loads of people commented on the bug report saying that their weird setups were being properly recognised [08:22] certainly mine started working again [08:23] it broke with ipv6, for instance. And it broke with mappings, and it broke LTSP and other cases where NM thought it could handle it, but couldn't. [08:23] I see [08:23] thanks for explaining that [08:24] so, the icon should be fixed [08:24] so I would have loved not to have gone back on this, but I think a small retreat is better than having something that breaks for lots of people. [08:25] bug 105234 might be relevant? In particular comment 32 (xtknight's tentatively submitted patch) [08:25] Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105234 === sid [n=unstable@glitchinthe.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] I purged linux-restricted-modules-common; and I can't apt-get install it back. There is no installation candidate. [08:26] Mithrandir: yep. We just need to make sure that people who's interfaces n-m can't handle aren't seeing the icon; maybe even show them the old Gnome icon that works properly === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:28] mdke: but you aren't seeing your wired interface at all in the dropdown list? [08:28] Mithrandir: no. It says "no network devices have been found" and "no network connection" in the mouseover. (my eth1 is up) [08:29] the Gnome icon tells me I'm up and running [08:29] hm [08:30] that's weird. I'll see if I can reproduce this on my laptop. [08:30] thanks. It's not so much my system that bothers me as in general though [08:30] something else, ubuntu-docs still has the codename (feisty fawn) in the firefox home page, can we get rid of that and just refer to it as 7.04? [08:30] yes, if you wish [08:31] nm does not often understand the status of links it has not itself brought up or down [08:31] hile: which is why it's told to stay away from them. [08:31] eth0 and eth1 are not marked "auto". n-m requires that for them to show up, no? === ryanh_ [n=ryanh@gateway.linspire.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] Gutsy Gibbon! [08:32] hile: that's fine. The problem is that it's giving a misleading impression to the users, and that the icon in the panel should tell *all* users whether they are up or down, as the Gnome icon does [08:32] of course, but I think only bug here is that nm still shows it's icon while there are no interfaces it's supposed to manage? === ulmolavender [n=neptunep@adsl-75-62-110-120.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:32] ah, not that, I got it [08:32] hile: that would be an acceptable way to fix the bug, IMO. If there are nothing to manage, it can just hide itself. [08:33] yeah, as long as there is no menu entry in it 'look for network interfaces now' [08:33] Mithrandir: it's a fix. But it's a regression from Edgy, which had a working icon for all users [08:33] depends what you mean by working, I haven't had working wireless with default gnome app for long time :) [08:34] and given that the default homepage is offline, there's no easy way for people to find out if they are online or not, short of typing a website address [08:34] ... because I have used nm only for over a year === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] mdke: they're free to add the old applet if that works better with their setup. [08:35] nm just isn't well enough integrated with debian-based systems, I think [08:35] Mithrandir: if they can (a) guess it exists, and (b) find it [08:35] mdke: can you make sure the "About Ubuntu" page just has references to the version number too? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] hile: but it'll never get there if we don't work on fixing that. [08:35] Mithrandir: it's not really a great time to do that - we'll break the translations. It's always contained the version number followed by the codename, afaik [08:36] of course [08:36] mdke: hmm [08:36] we could sed through all the translations too, I guess [08:36] mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers claims otherwise. [08:36] Mithrandir: as a result of that, we put the version numbers first and the codename as secondary [08:37] but I suppose we should remove them, it's just very late === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] yes, I should have noticed earlier, but didn't since I overlooked a checklist on my checklist. [08:38] heh [08:38] I can't take care of it today, I need to get to work asap [08:38] ok, see you. [08:38] maybe someone else can do it === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp109-216.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] mdke: See if you can reproduce my bug. I didn't see it listed on launchpad. === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] sid: I don't have time I'm afraid. [08:49] Mithrandir: thanks for your time === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] Good morning [08:51] morning pitti [08:51] Mithrandir: ah, it just occured to me how this lrm-video bug broke X yesterday: nvidia_new gets modprobed automatically, and thus X.org cannot load nvidia or nvidia_legacy any more, and you get that ABI mismatch [08:51] hi pygi === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72060.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] good morning [09:04] argh, metacity hid my other xchat window again, brb === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] hey dholbach! === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === surge [n=highvolt@dsl-240-91-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] pitti, lifeless: please comment on bug 105764 [09:24] Malone bug 105764 in python2.5 "apport exception hook negatively impacts startup of python" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105764 [09:26] @lart 37 Mithrandir [09:26] ukeoadi === Mithrandir tickles mneptok === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet === highvoltage takes a few steps back === pygi eats Hobbsee === mpytasz [n=dduck@81.219.176.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee kicks aroudn inside pygi, and pokes around with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:29] Hobbsee: both tickling and stomping. Now, that's cheating. [09:29] Mithrandir: why? [09:29] unfair advantage. [09:29] Hobbsee, you know that won't work with me =) [09:29] Hobbsee, I've got burning powers! [09:29] pygi: nto when you're being prodded inside... [09:29] Hobbsee, won't help ya! [09:29] hi Mithrandir === Hobbsee bursts out of pygi. oops, pygi is blown up. oh dear. [09:30] heya pitti === pitti hugs Hobbsee [09:30] Hobbsee, I know all of your tricks. :) === Hobbsee hugs pitti [09:31] good morning everyone === Mithrandir sews pygi back together. === Hobbsee grumbles about havign to go to work === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.131.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] Hobbsee, I won't be able to fix your cd-recording mess for kubuntu :P [09:32] Mithrandir, thank you ^_^ [09:33] pygi: oh dera. [09:33] pygi: well this is why you shouldnt eat people === pitti tests out the proposed l-r-m bug fix, bbl === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp24-87.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp24-87.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-192-230.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-123.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-164-141.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Mithrandir: I did some tests and confirmed that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15189/ really does what it should [10:00] Mithrandir: hmm, I just saw that BenC set the bug to fixcommitted already [10:01] Mithrandir: however, there's nothing in unaccepted; is this good to upload? [10:01] pitti: I just did an upload about an hour ago [10:01] pitti: please. [10:01] BenC: oh, weird; I checked unaccepted before starting with this [10:01] but I never got an accepted email, so feel free to reupload === sneakums [i=sneakums@jenny.ondioline.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] BenC: while testing this I noticed another oddity [10:02] BenC: lrm> ok, I assume it's more or less the same patch? (see paste) [10:02] yeah, same thing [10:03] BenC: regardless of whether I modprobe _legacy or _new, lsmod always shows 'nvidia' [10:03] BenC: this makes it hard to figure out which module is actually loaded (and makes r-m display the wrong thing) === statik [n=emurphy@canonical/launchpad/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] any idea why it does that? can the module change its name? === ogra___ [n=ogra@p548AD98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] pitti: odd, lsmod should always show the filename === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] BenC: hmm, so I better teach r-m about this special case [10:06] Mithrandir: ah, my l-r-m upload is in unapproved now === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] pitti: Is there any problem if we don't generate any language pack for two weeks after Feisty release? [10:10] carlos: no, that wouldn't hurt at all [10:11] pitti: that applies to Dapper and Edgy too [10:11] carlos: you want to open the gutsy translations in that time? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] no, we are not going to do it so early [10:11] we need the server where the language packs are generated to handle the release load [10:12] so the server will be unavailable for the first two weeks [10:14] carlos: hm, but it would be good to open them early [10:15] carlos: feisty was a disaster [10:15] pitti: I got the comprise with our translators in a public meeting to open it two months after Feisty + 1 opening [10:16] what is the reason for not just opening it when feisty+1 opens, apart from the server load? [10:16] and once Feisty + 1 schedule is published, I will ask to include there when we expect to have translations open [10:16] carlos: hm, I still don't understand why we cannot open it right after release; it will take a long time right after release or right before beta [10:16] not sure whether it's already published... [10:16] and right after release we don't need other tarballs so urgently [10:18] pitti: maybe for feisty + 2 we could open it again after release, but with Debian sync the amount of files to imports will be huge, and we have another critical bug that we should address that makes hard to non ubuntu projects to use Rosetta while a huge Ubuntu import is in process [10:18] carlos: right, but you have to import these files anyway at some time [10:18] pitti: also, translators asked us to delay it those two months until everything is a bit more stable with the version updates [10:18] pitti: well, those two months will give us time to deploy the solution [10:18] carlos: hm [10:19] carlos: if we can rely on the two months this time, I can live with that [10:19] carlos: I'm just publishing the schedule now === mvo [n=egon@p54a67fa8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] carlos: what date do you ned to know? [10:20] Keybuk: well, the idea is to add a 'Traslations open in Launchpad' two months after Feisty + 1 development starts, but I would like to see the calendar to agree on a date with kiko and other Rosetta developers [10:20] do you have a draft? [10:21] carlos: no, I have the final schedule :p [10:21] ok, URL? [10:21] ENOSEB :/ [10:21] why do we have to wait for two months? [10:21] carlos: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule [10:22] ooh, release on my birthday :) [10:22] Keybuk: because translators asked to wait until all Debian sync is done and packages are moved from universe to main and the other way and new GNOME version is imported [10:22] June 21st for debian sync done [10:23] Keybuk: and for this concrete release, because, as explained to Martin, we need to fix a problem that blocks non unbuntu projects to import files while we handle the initial imports for a new distro [10:24] Keybuk: I guess then, we would open translations around that time [10:24] Keybuk: wow and the sprint doesn't even overlap with my holidays :) [10:24] fabbione: this was deliberate :p [10:24] it doesn't overlap with anyone's holiday afaik [10:24] Keybuk: eheheh [10:24] (or any conference) [10:25] Keybuk: i *knew* you couldn't live without me ;) [10:25] Keybuk: I will try to have a meeting with kiko today to discuss the final date and will send you it so you can add it to the schedule, ok? [10:25] ok [10:25] thank you === gouki_ is now known as gouki [10:34] Mithrandir: an news about the idea of removing broken binary packages (like unmet deps) from the (feisty) archive? I don't remember any feedback of this === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] siretart: yes, we are not going to do it. === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Mithrandir: I just committed a fix to bug 105812, see patch linked from the bug [10:38] Malone bug 105812 in restricted-manager "nvidia_new and _legacy not detected as 'in use'" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105812 [10:38] Mithrandir: ok. [10:39] pitti: ok, looks good. [10:40] Mithrandir: thanks, uploaded [10:40] ogra: is the keyboard layout reset to english after installation of the ltsp chroot on edubuntu installs? [10:42] Keybuk, gnome 2.12?! [10:43] Keybuk, are we going back to warty? =) [10:43] damn Seveas i was about to say that! [10:43] Keybuk, may I query ? [10:44] tsmithe, actually warty was 2.8, breezy was 2.12 [10:44] i dunno :P [10:44] but i was gonna say something along those lines ;) === pranav_ [n=pranav@mnit.ac.in] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] doko, hmm, is it right after first reboot ? [10:45] ogra: no, noticed when entering the partition where to install grub [10:45] and after first boot ? [10:45] wrong or right ? [10:45] mjg59: yes, feel free to drop things into the queue [10:46] ogra: wrong === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] hmm, i could use in gdm here ... weird [10:46] pitti: ok to upload the apport change? [10:46] doko: hm? [10:47] doko: ping [10:47] ogra: I'll recheck after the meeting, but I'm sure I set the language to german [10:47] doko, are you really sure ? [10:47] Mez: sure, what's up? [10:47] doko: sorry, I didn't check the bug yet, overlooked it over my reboots [10:47] pranav_: I don't know anything about SoC, sorry. Google will make things public soon [10:47] Seveas: oops :p [10:48] doko: he he it ok [10:48] i can imagine that the run of console-setup in the chroot affects the server through /proc but that shouldnt change the /etc/default values for the host [10:48] *its [10:48] so it *must* be the keymap thats set before chroot building starts after the first reboot ... === freeflying [i=freeflyi@211.147.215.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] i wouldnt know a technical reason why it should stay non-german [10:49] ogra: checking agin [10:49] thanks [10:50] doko: erk, doesn't this require a new binary package, if you move the hook out of the apport/ module? [10:50] pitti: why? [10:52] doko: also, apport_hook as a general module is really misleading, it should be python_apport_hook or so === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] doko: since we have two other kinds of 'apport hooks' already [10:53] cjwatson: can you have a look at bug 105814 ? [10:53] Malone bug 105814 in Ubuntu "fails to resize ntfs partition on virtualbox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105814 [10:53] doko: if the Python policy allows a python-foo package to ship components which are not in python package foo, then that's ok for me [10:54] pitti: the file is now called apport_hook; I don't care how its called === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] doko: otherwise I'd rather ship the file in apport itself [10:54] pitti: not a policy issue at all [10:54] ok [10:55] hey seb128 [10:55] good morning seb128! [10:55] seb128: you're late, slacker ;-P [10:55] hi dholbach, mvo, doko [10:55] doko: then let's call it apport_python_hook.py [10:55] pitti: fine with me [10:55] seb128: slap him :) [10:55] doko: I was around at 8am european time already, just not on IRC [10:56] cf my reply on the distro list :p === dholbach hugs seb128 [10:56] doko: did you change anything in the file itself? the diff makes it hard to tell === seb128 hugs dholbach back [10:56] dholbach: he would have to come to Berliiin, which will never happen :p [10:56] don't say never [10:56] we might have an UDS there one day ;) [10:57] pitti: just prefixed the fileutils and report imports with apport. [10:57] doko: alright, I commit the change to the bzr with the new name, run some tests, and do the approval/upload jumping === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] doko: right [10:57] pitti: is that known that software-properties is not translated? [10:57] pitti: ok, let me know, so that I can change the pythonX.Y packages [10:57] seb128: bug 105611, will fix right after RC [10:57] heno: see my comment [10:57] doko: will do [10:58] Malone bug 105611 in langpack-o-matic "software-properties land in KDE pack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105611 [10:58] doko: thanks! [10:58] pitti: danke === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] launchpad is slow for other people as well? [10:58] seb128: yes [10:58] it takes ages to load a page since yesterday :/ [10:59] yes, sometimes; yesterday was horrible === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] seb128, my evo was evil to me today :/ [10:59] ogra: like crashing? [10:59] seems my line dropped overnight ... it showed me the online icon but didnt want to show any folder contents [11:00] and told me i have to be online ... [11:00] cjwatson: ok, cool. I'll give it some more testing anyway [11:00] clicking the icon didnt help ... restarting evo did [11:03] doko, oh, btw, so you ghhad the grub question as well if you noticed the breakage there ? === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] doko, it would probably help to comment on bug 105712 [11:04] Malone bug 105712 in os-prober "feisty grub osprober doesnt detect an existing feisty install on edubuntu alternate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105712 [11:05] ogra: let me check after the install [11:05] yup [11:05] do you have another OS on that machine ? [11:06] other partitions are automounted which confuses os-prober [11:07] this is a long-standing bug which I'm not concerned about for release [11:07] not in manual partitionning mode .... [11:07] yes they are [11:07] at kleast if i choose "dont use" [11:07] unless you manually deselect them [11:07] ogra: yes, having Windows and an Ubuntu install; but all other partitions are not mounted [11:07] right, thats what i do in manual === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] in any case, not release-critical IMO so I'm not going to look at it further now. If you want to help, attach syslog and partman logs from the installer [11:08] no, not at all [11:08] but something to notice and log :) === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand|_ [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] pitti: that r-m fix is needed too, right? [11:16] Mithrandir: not absolutely for RC; it does give false information, but the impact is much less bad than l-r-m [11:17] Mithrandir: OTOH it's probably much quicker to build than lrm :) [11:17] Mithrandir: for the majority of users it should just work as it is, since the majority uses nvidia-glx (no new/legacy) [11:17] ok === toodles [n=timtt@87-198-41-100.ptr.magnet.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] how can i say on which ubuntu version i'm ? [11:23] ogra: no, the keyboard problem persists [11:23] saispo: lsb_release -a [11:24] doko, weird, how can a setting in a chroot affect a host system ? and why didnt i see it in any installs here :/ === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-52.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] ogra: because you are probably sharing /proc and /dev ? [11:25] thanks Nafallo [11:25] ogra: and if you are root in the chroot you can kill processes in the host [11:25] ogra: try the edubuntu DVD? with a german keyboard? I don't know what I can offer else for testing ... [11:25] etc. [11:26] np [11:26] fabbione, sharing /proc will rewrite settings in /etc/default/console-setup ??? [11:26] ogra: hmm no it shouldn't [11:26] i can imagine that its a temporary switch as long as /proc is mounted [11:26] but if it does.. and it's realiable.. tell pitti :) [11:26] but after the first reboot it should work as expected === chand|_ [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === l4m [n=lam@cm187.delta168.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-52.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@89-172-137-43.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:10] pitti: yesterday we had a problem with the import queue so there are some files pending to be imported [12:11] carlos: alright; I won't update the packs today anyway [12:11] pitti: when will you prepare final packages for Feisty? [12:11] carlos: that's unclear yet, just discussing in the meeting [12:11] ok [12:12] pitti: once you know it, tell me so I can try to prioritise things so everything is imported [12:12] carlos: most probably tomorrow [12:13] so I should get everything imported before midnight === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] to prepare the export tomorrow morning [12:13] and I need to fix langpack-o-matic for this software-properties bug [12:13] heno: do you believe that the red bug icons are a complete list of serious issues? [12:13] which bug? [12:14] carlos: bug 105611 [12:14] Malone bug 105611 in langpack-o-matic "software-properties land in KDE pack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105611 [12:14] oh, that one [12:14] right [12:15] cjwatson: not sure the kernel issues are reflected there, but the other items raised in the meeting have red bugs [12:15] pitti: hmmm, are you sure it should be in GNOME ones? [12:15] carlos: yes [12:15] pitti: isn't it used too from KDE frontend? [12:15]