[12:09] <Hieronymus> Maybe I should just contact Canonical
[12:10] <adamant1988> Hrmmm hold on.
[12:10] <adamant1988> Link me to the site.
[12:11] <Hieronymus> http://www.ziosys.com
[12:11] <Hieronymus> It's a long story, it's run by a 19 year old kid who's actively scamming people
[12:11] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: I've read about that.
[12:12] <Hieronymus> I'm one of the 'internet sleuths' that's been investigating him on the gideontech.com forums
[12:12] <adamant1988> Uh huh
[12:13] <Hieronymus> All this Ubuntu stuff he's posted went up today, or at least the bulk of it, the content is directly copied and the images hotlinked
[12:13] <adamant1988> Well, I think the best course of action would be to post a well thought out article on the UbuntuForums warning people not to buy.
[12:14] <adamant1988> include links to the gideontech thread.   Also, you may want to alert Canonical, but I kind of doubt they'll do much.
[12:14] <Hieronymus> I'd considered that but one has to be careful, he's shown a proficiency at threatening legal action
[12:16] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: the operative word there being "threatening" 
[12:16] <adamant1988> a threat is just that, a threat.
[12:16] <Hieronymus> Yes, I don't take it seriously, he's defrauding customers, it's not like he has much ground to stand on
[12:17] <adamant1988> I get the feeling that a cash-strapped, mentally unstable 19 year old isn't going to make good on that threat.
[12:17] <tsmithe> scamming? defrauding? how?
[12:17] <tsmithe> site doesn't look tooo bad
[12:17] <Hieronymus> He's 'sold' at least a couple systems and then failed to deliver
[12:17] <tsmithe> oh
[12:18] <tsmithe> how can he threaten legal action then?!
[12:18] <Hieronymus> We're also investigating several other potential frauds, one or more in excess of ten grand
[12:18] <tsmithe> stupid ruddy capitalism again
[12:18] <adamant1988> tsmithe: That's part of the issue, his site is well designed... I kind of wish he were a legit vendor. 
[12:18] <Hieronymus> He's a piece of work, the thread on gideontech.com is soon to be internet history
[12:18] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: "My marketing efforts will dominate your face".
[12:19] <Hieronymus> Dig a little deeper and you'll start finding the problems, he's put a good face on it but there's a good bit of problem beneath
[12:19] <Hieronymus> Yes, "My marketing efforts will dominate your face" is soon to be the new "all your base..."
[12:19] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: I think it's worth the time to post a well laid out warning post on the Ubuntu forums
[12:20] <Hieronymus> Agreed, I've not registered for the forums yet but will do and get something posted
[12:20] <adamant1988> Although most Ubuntu users are also Digg users and will have already seen this, it's best not to assume anything when dealing with fraud. 
[12:20] <Hieronymus> I got into it from the Digg originally, it's become more addictive than Lost at this point
[12:25] <beuno> Hieronymus: why not try contacting canonical about it?
[12:26] <Hieronymus> Beuno, that's what I'm hoping to do, still looking for a way to do so
[12:26] <beuno> Hieronymus: webmaster@canonical.com
[12:27] <Hieronymus> Yes, that looks like the only point of contact right now
[12:28] <beuno> Hieronymus: give it a try, if you don't get any response ping me again and we'll get it through somehow
[12:29] <Hieronymus> Okay, will do, it's obviously late evening in the UK so probably no answer until tomorrow at the earliest
[12:29] <Madpilot> Wow, there's something badly wrong with that ziosys website - everytime I hover over the dropdown menus, the whole site reformats itself... wtf?
[12:30] <beuno> Hieronymus: don't be surprised if it takes a few days
[12:30] <Hieronymus> Told you, it's a trainwreck
[12:30] <Hieronymus> Notice as well that he's not got his SSL configured correctly, he's taking orders over the phone instead
[12:31] <beuno> Madpilot: must be your resolution, I can hover fine
[12:31] <Madpilot> beuno, might also be some screwy piece of code that Opera doesn't like
[12:31] <beuno> aaah, opera
[12:31] <beuno> yes
[12:31] <beuno> could be
[12:31] <Hieronymus> Ah, that's right, it's not set for Opera
[12:32] <Hieronymus> It's a commercially available Joomla template that he's boosted without crediting the author
[12:32] <Hieronymus> Much like most of what he's put on the site
[12:32] <Madpilot> Hieronymus, this keeps getting better and better... :|
[12:32] <Hieronymus> Oh, you want entertainment, head over to gideontech.com and read all about it in the thread
[12:33] <Hieronymus> You'll need at least four to six hours to read it all, we up to page 360 right now
[12:33] <Madpilot> damn
[12:33] <Hieronymus> The kid is batsh*t insane
[12:34] <Hieronymus> The shame of it is that he's still at it, and likely defrauding more and more people as he goes along
[12:34] <Madpilot> link us directly to the forum thread? gid is a big site, w/ big forums...
[12:34] <Hieronymus> Okay, hold on a sec
[12:35] <Hieronymus> http://forums.gideontech.com/index.php/topic,34476.0.html
[12:35] <Hieronymus> You'll want to read page 4, that alone will get you hooked
[12:35] <Hieronymus> "My marketing efforts will dominate your face"
[12:35] <tsmithe> oh god this thread is hilarious
[12:36] <tsmithe> i've just got to My marketing efforts
[12:36] <tsmithe> hahahaahaa
[12:36] <tsmithe> we need this in the topic!
[12:36] <adamant1988> tsmithe: Yeah, it's pretty funny. 
[12:36] <tsmithe> jenda, now!
[12:36] <tsmithe> pah he's asleep
[12:36] <tsmithe> ops?
[12:36] <tsmithe> Madpilot, ?
[12:37] <Madpilot> tsmithe, hmm?
[12:37] <tsmithe> we need "My marketing efforts will dominate your face" in the topic
[12:37] <Hieronymus> It's the new 'all your base are belong to us', you can even get it on t-shirts at cafe press
[12:37] <tsmithe> haha
[12:38] <Hieronymus> Now if only we can get Canonical to replace some of the images he's hotlinking from ubuntu.com with goatse and tubgirl, it will be just like the old days...
[12:39] <tsmithe> haha
[12:40] <Hieronymus> I need to find someone who's a longtime member of the Ubuntu forums to put up a post for me, warning about Zio Systems
[12:40] <beuno> jenda is a good candidate for that
[12:40] <Hieronymus> I worry that registering and having it as my first post is going to look a little fishy
[12:40] <Madpilot> "Loonier than a bag of Canadian dollars."... hehe
[12:41] <Hieronymus> Not that I shouldn't register, I've been using Ubuntu for a year now
[12:42] <Hieronymus> You'll start to hate me for linking you to it be around page 200
[12:43] <Madpilot> "Of course Zio refuses to be constrained by the republofascist conspiracy of the Earth hour, and uses Venus hours instead. So, July 2008."... oh boy.
[12:44] <Hieronymus> It's internet history in the making I tell you
[12:46] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: Don't worry about it.  Just post the thread, you've done the research so you can make a detailed thread
[12:46] <Hieronymus> Okay, I'll work something up tonight and try to get it posted, if not it will be tomorrow
[12:47] <Hieronymus> And can someone tell me why this nutter insisted on using 'uBuntu' instead of 'Ubuntu'?
[12:48] <Hieronymus> Was the 'B' capitalized at some point?
[12:49] <adamant1988> nope.
[12:50] <Hieronymus> I didn't think so
[12:56] <Hieronymus> I just asked Brad why he spelled it that way
[12:57] <tsmithe> you can talk to him?
[12:59] <Hieronymus> Via AIM
[12:59] <Hieronymus> ZioHelp on AIM
[12:59] <Hieronymus> He likes to pretend it's not him but it is
[01:01] <Madpilot> Hieronymus, you are a bastard, I need to go run shopping errands but that GTF thread has sucked me in... ;)
[01:01] <Hieronymus> He won't come on the gideontech forum anymore, he gets hammered when he does
[01:01] <Hieronymus> Told you you'd hate me
[01:01] <Hieronymus> It's more addictive than Lost
[01:02] <Madpilot> there
[01:02] <Hieronymus> I'm just waiting to talk to Gideon about posting a warning on the Ubuntu forums, could lead to a good deal of traffic and I want to make sure he's aware of it beforehand
[01:03] <Hieronymus> That said, he did weather the Digg well enough
[01:04] <adamant1988> Hieronymus: It wouldn't be anymore than Digg got him
[01:04] <adamant1988> UbuntuForums are a much smaller place than Digg
[01:05] <Hieronymus> Well I'll still give him advance warning that's only fair
[01:05] <tsmithe> seriously, i'm addicted as well
[01:05] <tsmithe> and woot topic!
[01:05] <Hieronymus> And it will give him time to get his adsense in order
[01:05] <tsmithe> christ i'm tired
[01:39] <Hieronymus> Okay, email sent to webmaster@ ubuntu.com and canonical.com
[02:41] <Madpilot> right, there's two hours wasted on the Zio-saga. Enough. Need food and a shopping trip.
[02:50] <adamant1988> Madpilot: LOL
[02:50] <adamant1988> I went through that thread when it was still -50 pages. 
[02:50] <adamant1988> I'm too scared to go back now
[08:25] <jenda> What did I miss?
[08:25] <jenda> Everyone check the front page of the forums _NOW_
[08:34] <poningru> hmm?
[08:36] <pwnguin> indeed
[08:36] <pwnguin> what should i be looking at?
[08:38] <jenda> poningru, pwnguin, look for the word "Weekly"
[08:39] <poningru> oh cool
[08:39] <poningru> meh
[08:39] <poningru> is that dynamic?
[08:39] <jenda> the link to the wiki is temporary
[08:39] <poningru> or will it always be there?
[08:39] <jenda> there will be a subforum where each UWN will have it's own thread with comments underneath
[08:40] <jenda> but yes, that spot is permanent
[08:40] <jenda> (as permanent as can be, in the shifting sands of the internet :))
[10:38] <tsmithe> CDs damnit
[10:38] <tsmithe> i will kill the guy the invented "CD's"
[10:38] <tsmithe> RARGH!!!!!
[10:38] <tsmithe> *that invented
[10:54] <jenda> tsmithe: *who
[10:54] <jenda> Hey, Mike_F 
[10:54] <jenda> Didya get me mail?
[10:54] <tsmithe> jenda, what?
[10:56] <jenda> tsmithe: not 'the', not 'that', but 'who' :)
[10:56] <jenda> if you want it to be english, that is ;)
[10:56] <tsmithe> nuthin' wrong with "that"
[11:03] <Mike_F> jenda: yes, i want ten posters
[11:19] <jenda> Mike_F: coolio
[11:20] <jenda> Mike_F: you should find all the source files on diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu
[12:06] <Mike_F> jenda:ping
[12:06] <jenda> Mike_F: pong
[12:06] <jenda> juliux: ping
[12:06] <juliux> jenda, pong
[12:06] <jenda> |       .    |
[12:07] <jenda> | .          |
[12:07] <jenda> :)
[12:07] <juliux> |     .|
[12:07] <juliux> yeah;9
[12:07] <Mike_F> just woke up again, i thought it was later before
[12:07] <jenda> juliux: it seems most of the books were cancelled, because they miscalculated the shipping
[12:08] <juliux> jenda, hehe and now?
[12:08] <jenda> ...so it is quite probably that none will come at all
[12:08] <jenda> and if they do, I have no idea how many :-D
[12:08] <juliux> omg
[12:09] <jenda> so we'll just have to see, and if they come, I'll go fetch them.
[12:09] <jenda> hehe
[12:09] <jenda> :)
[12:09] <jenda> We'll find a way sooner or later - we're just some 50 away from each other ;)
[12:10] <jenda> :-D
[12:10] <Mike_F> jenda: may i reproduce any of the things in that folder ?
[12:10] <jenda> Mike_F: of course, you're very welcome to :)
[12:10] <jenda> all GPL, GFDL or CC
[12:11] <jenda> Use common sense when attributing - the artwork is the work of Hannes Pasqualini.
[12:11] <Mike_F> okay: just want people to know about ubuntu
[12:12] <jenda> Yep :)
[12:12] <jenda> That's the entire purpose of the marketing team ;)
[12:12] <jenda> BTW, I have about 70 of the posters left
[12:12] <Mike_F> Okay, i sent you a mail message
[12:13] <Mike_F> i need to get some money into my paypal account
[12:13] <Mike_F> i think it's zeroed out
[12:13] <jenda> alrighty
[12:14] <Mike_F> also i like the poster the road image is like my OnA1A logo
[12:14] <juliux> jenda, are you going to uds?
[12:14] <Mike_F> uds?
[12:14] <jenda> juliux: depends on the 
[12:14] <jenda> :)
[12:14] <jenda> Mike_F: Ubuntu Developer Summit
[12:15] <Mike_F> oh, wrong conversation 
[12:15] <juliux> jenda, i will not go to uds, i didn't get a sponsorship
[12:15] <tsmithe> i would have done :'9
[12:15] <tsmithe> *(
[12:15] <Mike_F> it's still early here in Florida
[12:17] <jenda> juliux: you were told it was refused?
[12:17] <jenda> juliux: or just didn't get it _yet_?
[12:17] <juliux> jenda, richard weidmann talked with mark this week and mark said no :8
[12:18] <jenda> ouch
[12:18] <juliux> mark said he has to make a line and so no more sponsorships
[12:18] <jenda> I didn't get a chance to apply for it yet... do you have any tips where to start/ask?
[12:18] <juliux> no idea
[12:18] <juliux> i get it via the edubuntu way
[12:18] <jenda> argh
[12:20] <Mike_F> are any plans for anything like UDS on the east coast of the US
[12:20] <Mike_F> Like in Orlando Fla ?
[12:20] <jenda> Mike_F: the next one is in Boston
[12:20] <Mike_F> when 2008?
[12:20] <jenda> should be late 2007
[12:20] <jenda> there are two a year
[12:20] <Mike_F> the weather is horriable there in the winter
[12:21] <juliux> Mike_F, 28th ocotober starts uds in boston
[12:22] <Mike_F> falls noy bad, i hate the red sox
[12:22] <juliux> lol
[12:23] <juliux> cu later
[12:26] <Mike_F> jenda: i can setup a mirror folder it thats okay
[12:27] <jenda> Mike_F: you're free to do so
[12:27] <jenda> Not sure if it's needed... but you can, if you want to
[12:28] <Mike_F> okay
[03:31] <charl_ie> hi
[03:32] <charl_ie> i don't know if anyone remembers the ideas pitched in the mailing list on march 20th about a sort of "Ubuntu Upgrade Adviser", but i wondered if anyone was interested in taking it further 
[03:38] <jenda> hello
[03:38] <jenda> tsmithe++ @ LiveCDs ;)
[03:56] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[03:56] <jenda> hmm? :)
[03:56] <MenZa> hihi
[04:51] <poningru> can someone write on the w.u.c/FeistyFawn/RC about OEM and get all the screenshots?
[07:47] <tsmithe> jenda, you around?
[07:48] <tsmithe> meh
[07:48] <tsmithe> i need someone who knows about the old "Spread Ubuntu"...
[07:49] <tsmithe> well; anyway: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-April/004063.html
[07:49] <tsmithe> do people know about this?
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: First I've heard of the uk one
[07:51] <tsmithe> well, it's a bit odd...
[07:51] <tsmithe> i kinda think it wants collaboration with this team
[08:01] <adamant1988> tsmithe: I was around while they were working on it
[08:01] <tsmithe> on what?
[08:01] <tsmithe> spreadubuntu.co.uk ?
[08:02] <adamant1988> just spreadUbuntu in general
[08:03] <tsmithe> yes... but that's not what that is
[08:03] <tsmithe> or is it?
[08:03] <tsmithe> that's what i wanna know
[08:04] <tsmithe> as i said,  it wants collaboration with the original purveyors of the idea
[08:55] <somerville32> Moo
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> Baa
[08:56] <tsmithe> hiya somerville32 - you out of hospital yet?
[08:57] <somerville32> Nope.
[08:58] <somerville32> I'm getting discharged tomorrow though.
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> what happened?
[08:59] <somerville32> I got admitted to the hospital Febuary 8th
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> for?
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> (If you care to share)
[09:00] <tsmithe> feb 8th ... that's my birthday.  how sad... :'(
[09:00] <juliux> somerville32, all the best from me
[09:00] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[09:01] <somerville32> I'm getting out tomorrow
[09:01] <tsmithe> great!
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> :)
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> I feel bad about not doing anything on UWN lately - but the 'rents got me into a 45-hour per week job :(
[09:05] <somerville32> Ouch.
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> On the plus side though, I get a 50% discount on a new bicycle, so I'm gonna buy a really expensive one and make the most of it
[09:06] <somerville32> lol
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> (Well, really I'm just going to spend the same amount of money I was thinking about before I got the job, and just get twice the bike)
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[09:07] <MitchM> what type of bike tonyyarusso ?
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> MitchM: Specialized Roubaix - http://www.specialized.com/, Select a country (USA actually gives prices) > Road bikes > Roubaix to see 'em
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> Or at least that seems best so far
[09:11] <MitchM> Why not one of these? http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/model.asp?ModelName=CBR600F4i&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=CBR600F46
[09:11] <MitchM> :)
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> MitchM: Uh, b/c it has a motor, and is therefore not the idea here
[09:13] <MitchM> ah. but of course...
[09:13] <MitchM> looks like a nice set of bikes though tonyyarusso -- I've been looking around myself
[09:14] <MitchM> thanks for the link :)
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> np :)
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> If you live in the Twin Cities, Minnesota or Madison, WI, eriksbikeshop.com for a dealer
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Say, do you have any of those polos in a medium?
[11:08] <jenda> tsmithe: I am not, no.
[11:09] <tsmithe> well...