=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Apr 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 12 Apr 20:00 UTC: Development Team | 12 Apr 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 20:00 UTC: Forum Council | 17 Apr 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 20:00 UTC: Community Council === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-ded1badc92ebdbcd] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-163-143.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rolando-ve [n=rolando-@190.142.73.34] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === avoine [n=avoine@modemcable056.3-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === yharrow_1 [n=sysadmin@h-68-167-71-123.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D81E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@165.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === effie_jayx [n=l3ap@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jtholmes [n=chatzill@72-254-59-234.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === topyli [n=topyli@unaffiliated/topyli] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === topyli [n=topyli@unaffiliated/topyli] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72060.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@117.Red-83-33-7.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === surge [n=highvolt@dsl-240-91-192.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra___ [n=ogra@p548AD98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54a67fa8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67FA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying [i=freeflyi@211.147.215.100] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549547FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:56] hi [10:56] yo [10:57] :) [10:57] hiya === mdz_ [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] it seems that about half the keyboard shortcuts in xchat close the application or a tab [10:58] mdz_: use the other half then :p === seb128 runs === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:59] cjwatson,Keybuk: is everyone here who's expected? [11:00] here [11:00] hi [11:00] i am here ... in case i am expected ;) [11:00] hi [11:00] Hello everyone ... [11:00] hello [11:01] seems to be a slow start today =) [11:01] BenC said he wanted to be here, but he may have keeled over with exhaustion [11:01] mdz: yes [11:01] it's also 3/4am there [11:01] everyone else is here [11:01] fabbione: he was aware of that [11:02] fabbione: 5, but wasn't expecting him at this meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] I saw him an hour ago [11:02] BenC: good morning [11:02] here he is [11:02] 00:47 would this meeting be opportune time to discuss the kernel upload? [11:02] 00:47 I certainly won't hold it against you if you aren't there, as long as I have all the information needed to represent kernel interests [11:02] 00:47 yes [11:02] 00:47 then I'll make it [11:02] aha [11:02] good morning [11:02] so, welcome everyone. thanks for being available even though this was a bit last-minute [11:03] the release is creeping up on us, and I think we're a little bit behind where we ought to be right now, so it seemed wise to get everyone together to go over the outstanding issues [11:03] Keybuk and Mithrandir have been reviewing our progress [11:04] Keybuk: would you give an overview of where we stand? [11:04] Current status is that the release candidate images prepared yesterday had several problems with them [11:04] notably things like the "About Ubuntu" menu option being missing [11:04] #105593 :( [11:04] and /etc/lsb, /etc/issue, etc. all being wrong [11:05] ^ is the worst one I found [11:05] about ubuntu, launchpad integration have been fixed yesterday [11:05] bug #105593 [11:05] seb128: and accepted into the archive this morning. [11:05] we also haven't performed several of the steps leading to the candidate, including hardware certification testing [11:05] Mithrandir: rock on [11:05] fabbione: I believe you've got that started now? [11:05] (incidentally, is anyone else having trouble with firefox stalling for a very long time at "Connecting to launchpad.net..."?) [11:05] Malone bug 105593 in restricted-manager "claims that nvidia is in use on live system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105593 [11:05] Keybuk: yes already started. we got only one bug so far [11:05] mdz: yes, problem is at LP end [11:06] mdz: yeah, it's really really really slow since yesterday :/ [11:06] Keybuk: i think Marc has almost completed the first round [11:07] pitti: the lrm change fixes the immediate problem, right? [11:07] mdz: what do you mean by stalled? like no redraw of ui ... or just waiting for server? [11:07] mdz: right, there are actually two problems [11:07] (1) r-m warns you about non-free drivers being in use, taints kernel, prone to raise political discussions [11:07] (2) as soon as an user actually enables nvidia, it is going to break their X because of ABI incompatibility (except if they have a very *very* new card which is not supported by nvidia-glx) [11:07] asac: I did some packet level debugging which I posted to the launchpad list; let's talk about it later [11:07] mdz: k [11:08] mdz: thus we would break many X.orgs instead of showing off compiz&co for nvidia users :( [11:08] pitti: but the lrm fix in the queue fixes this, right? [11:08] right [11:08] it's not built yet, though [11:09] I'm driving the publisher by hand now [11:09] but I saw that the source is in the archive [11:09] 'no builds recorded' instead of 'needs build', hmm [11:10] fabbione: is there any estimate of how long the cert tests will take [11:10] mdz: Marc is working hard to catch up. he promised to be as fast as he can, but no numbers for an ETA [11:10] mdz: i expect at least another day [11:10] so, we have the l-r-m problem, the hwdb notification, about ubuntu menu items, lsb; we can probably live with any single one of them, but all together look really bad IMHO [11:11] fabbione: I think it is irrelevant for now; either there will be no problems discovered and we can release, or there will be problems and we'll need to delay [11:12] mdz: as i said.. one bug found so far in n-m already reported by other people. I will be able to tell you more in a few hours when Montreal wakes up [11:12] mdz: i didn't know about the meeting till this morning, otherwise i would have gathered more info [11:12] pitti: hwdb and about ubuntu are supposed to be fixed now, no? === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:13] seb128: right, should be in the archive [11:13] fabbione: bug number? [11:13] seb128: they are, if you run apt-get update. [11:13] Mithrandir: ok, just making sure because pitti listed them [11:13] note however that ubuntu-docs still have "feisty fawn" in them in some places. [11:13] mdz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105688 [11:13] seb128: argh, no, hwdb-client is still the old one [11:13] (with the version numbers, mind, so it's less bad) [11:13] Malone bug 105688 in network-manager "NetworkManager applet shows No network connection when there is a network connection (dup-of: 105234)" [Undecided,Needs info] [11:13] Malone bug 105234 in network-manager "Netowrk manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:14] that's network-manager change is confusing a lot of users [11:14] that network-manager change [11:14] seb128: but it's confusing them rather than leaving them with broken networks. [11:14] NM is teh rock. [11:14] seb128: red herring, drescher has the new hwdb-client, so that's fixed as well [11:14] sladen, the rock we all get buried under ? [11:15] Mithrandir: how hard would it be to display no icon when it's not used? [11:15] seb128: probably doable. I'll look into it. [11:15] would be great [11:15] seb128, it already does that if i shut down my WLAN (but keep the static iface up) [11:15] as soon as i load the bcm module again, its back [11:16] so juat abusing that function could probably work [11:16] Mithrandir: could the n-m bug be due to your most recent change? [11:17] cjwatson: yes, and while the confusion isn't intentional, it is behaving correctly. [11:17] so we need to address the confusion. [11:17] Mithrandir: is there an explanation in the bug of the confusion? [11:17] cjwatson: network-manager does the right thing, it says there is no network configured though [11:18] which means is not managing any [11:18] what seb says. [11:18] but have an icon saying "no network configured" confuses users [11:18] the bug above only has confused comments from users, AFAICS [11:18] it needs an authoritative comment from somebody who understands what is going on [11:18] because there is a network configured and working [11:19] I tested it with my father. He was slightly confused, but shrugged when the network worked anyway [11:20] there seems to be a real bug related to the "disable networking" menu item, I need to investigate what's the problem there. [11:20] wouldn't be possible to change the string to match reality? [11:20] like: "hey dude.. i can't manage your setup. kthxbye" [11:20] fabbione: it would break translations, but otherwise that's a possibility. [11:20] we can always unbreak them with langpacks update [11:21] it's probably the less intrusive change we can do [11:21] yes, the string is more confusing than the icon [11:21] dunno how many langs that string is translated, but i am pretty sure we can fix the major ones within the team [11:22] fabbione: what's wrong with hiding the icon when there is nothing to manage? [11:22] that doesn't break any string [11:22] 'Please replug your network cable' would work, because that 'fixes' it for the session :) [11:22] heno: how does that fix it? [11:22] seb128: but you'd lose the menu entry for static configuration or enabling wlan, etc. [11:22] seb128: nothing.. you need to change code and possibly add other regressions [11:22] BenC: Is bug 99648 the same as bug 53268 ? [11:22] heno: sounds more specific than the problem in fact indicates? [11:22] this isn't the time to think about redesigning the UI [11:22] pitti: can you enable wlan when there is not connexion managed? [11:22] Malone bug 99648 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MMC/SD memory card reader does not work" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99648 [11:22] Malone bug 53268 in hal "On Thinkpad X60s and Z60 SD card reader doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53268 [11:23] mdz: if you unplu and replug ethernet it behaves as expected until you reboot [11:23] seb128: if you disabled it before, then you'll be in that situation [11:23] it seems there is a genuine issue, but we ought not rush in a poorly thought out change [11:23] heno: why? I thought in this situation, n-m was ignoring the interface [11:23] disabling wlan temporarily should not cause the icon to go away [11:23] I think it ignores it bacause the network is brought up during boot, before n-m [11:24] if you 'let n-m find it' it's happy === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:25] heno: but if it's already being managed by ifupdown, that would result in confusion (like two dhclients) [11:26] mdz: except the fact that network-manager kills it as part of its startup. [11:27] void nm_system_kill_all_dhcp_daemons (void) [11:27] { nm_spawn_process ("/usr/bin/killall -q dhclient"); [11:27] } [11:27] ... [11:27] Mithrandir: so when it does that it should also set a flag so it remembers to check for an active network later [11:27] what a piece of work [11:27] Mithrandir: and it doesn't always work because sometime we spawn dhclient3 [11:28] Mithrandir: isn't it dhclient3? [11:28] Mithrandir, could you call that nm_system_kill_all_dhcp_client ?? [11:28] fabbione: we can kill those too. [11:28] ogra: no. [11:28] Mithrandir: we should [11:28] Mithrandir, thats confusing :) [11:28] ogra: I'm not going to change the name of NM-internal interfaces. [11:28] ogra: no you can't. the nm backends export a standard API towards the rest [11:28] Mithrandir: n-m ubuntu5 was a further fix for the problem with people with manually configured interfaces having trouble with n-m claiming they were offline, yes? [11:29] what if n-m only manages one of several DHCP interfaces? [11:29] Mithrandir, oh, i thought it was a new function ... ignore me :)= [11:29] cjwatson: it was a revert to the ubuntu3 behaviour, except we don't claim to be offline if there are disabled devices available. [11:30] Mithrandir: remind me, was there a bug about that? [11:30] and then the applet is patched to check both the online/offline status and the number of devices managed. If the number of managed devices is zero, it goes into "we are offline" mode. [11:30] cjwatson: yes, it broke LTSP setups for instance. [11:30] let me find the bug # [11:31] we should have a policy that late changes must have a bug# referenced in the changelog [11:31] cjwatson, it hogged static interfaces that are configured in /e/n/i and teared them down because NM allows only one iface to be up [11:31] Mithrandir: why do you kill dhclient, rather than invoke ifdown? [11:32] Keybuk: that's what upstream does in all backends IIRC [11:32] Keybuk: you don't want to call ifdown because the interface might be in use for nfs mounts [11:32] Keybuk: just take over the dhcp process [11:32] redhat don't have something quite like our ifup though [11:32] Keybuk: I believe that code is either from upstream or from you, I haven't written it. [11:32] since ifdown won't work for that interface after you kill its dhclient [11:32] cjwatson: 100021 [11:33] thanks [11:34] BenC: are you still awake? [11:37] am i still connected? [11:37] fabbione: yes [11:37] thanks [11:37] fabbione: no [11:41] I could make it use the connected icon and change the tooltip if there are manual devices, would that be good enough? [11:41] sounds like [11:41] as long as it doesnt *always* show the connected icon then at least :) [11:42] ogra: it'll always show it if you have manually configured devices. [11:42] Mithrandir: by manual, do you mean eth0 or static IP? [11:42] thats fine [11:42] heno, static ip and auto in /e/n/i [11:42] this problem occurs with dhcp too [11:43] which is the most common for basic users [11:43] heno: anything not managed by NM. [11:43] you mean if /e/n/i is empty ? [11:43] ok, that will work then [11:43] then it shouldnt happen ... === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:44] so we have a possible proposal to skip release candidate and release Herd 6 instead [11:44] at this point, if we have to delay release candidate, there'll be very little time to squeeze in validation [11:45] we need to hear from Ben about these kernel bugs [11:45] the changes which are proposed are too intrusive for 7 days before release [11:45] so Herd 6 would be a much-less-validated set of images [11:45] so if the problems are truly showstoppers, then we are looking at a delay of the release === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:45] what kind of delay we are talking about? [11:45] one week? two weeks? [11:45] today was the first I had heard of these issues [11:45] fabbione: unknown [11:46] HPA has been on the table for some time and Ben has tested the patch on his array of non-HPA hardware [11:46] fabbione: this change is proposing to switch to an entirely different IDE driver for a huge proportion of Intel based systesm [11:46] (bug 96857) [11:46] the PIIX thing I think we should drop [11:46] Malone bug 96857 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty Beta: debian-installer does not mount cdrom" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96857 [11:47] so we have: [11:48] kernel issues: we will have a talk with Ben when he wakes up and review those [11:48] network-manager: Keybuk is looking over the patches and doing some further analysis [11:48] what else is on the table? [11:48] server installer issues: Keybuk is on it already. bug #105623 [11:49] Malone bug 105623 in devmapper "udev rules missing from udeb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105623 [11:49] certification: we will await results, and have to decide on whether to delay if there are problems [11:49] (fabio tracking) [11:49] fabbione: this is a showstopper? [11:49] I would like to add additional sanity checking into the release upgrader for python, but that should not be controversal I hope? [11:49] mdz: for RC no (would be enough a release note). For final yes [11:50] fabbione: fwiw, it just worked fine for me. [11:50] fabbione: note that there is unlikely to be an RC unless we delay [11:50] Mithrandir: it works.. it only takes ages to work.. so if you don't look at it and go back after a while you don't even notice [11:50] fabbione: ok. [11:51] Mithrandir: it's about waiting 3 minutes for each devmapper device to be created [11:51] mvo: for the CDs? [11:51] mdz: yeah of course.. [11:51] just adding those rules to the udeb stands a good chance of breaking the partitioner. I'd veto that. [11:51] (because it would bring LVs/whatever up by default which the partitioner isn't expecting) [11:51] mdz: having it on the CD is a bonus, but if its available online that should be fine [11:51] cjwatson: they are the exact same rules that lands in the installed system [11:52] fabbione: the installed system is different in important ways [11:52] mdz: bug 105642, bug 105828 [11:52] release note and point release if we can get the change tested. It's annoying, but fixing it is very risky [11:52] Malone bug 105642 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel panic starting edubuntu dvd in live mode with VGA" [High,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105642 [11:52] Malone bug 105828 in Ubuntu "wrong keyboard layout after LTSP chroot install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105828 [11:52] while it's annoying, I don't think it's a showstopper either. [11:53] cjwatson: i think Keybuk can tell you more about the status [11:53] doko: you are saying that these are showstopper bugs? [11:53] fabbione: I've already spoken with Scott about this. [11:53] cjwatson: ok [11:53] keyboard layout> totally not release-critical. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup [11:53] mdz, i'm not yet sure 105828 is a valid one, i havent seen it in any installs here [11:53] mdz: well, a kernel panic for the default install? IMO rc for the final; the edubuntu install not. [11:54] mdz, doko and i are still investigating [11:54] doko: I'm asking you; you just gave bug numbers without context [11:54] doko, the panic doesnt happen witjh the CD here [11:54] doko: a kernel panic under what circumstances? [11:54] mdz, framebuffer [11:54] it immediatley dies if it tries frambuffer stuff [11:55] i.e. directly after gfxboot [11:55] mdz: 105642: insert the edubuntu amd64 dvd, let it boot alone. [11:55] it either is specific to dokos HW or to the DVD [11:55] i dont see it on two different machines with the CD [11:55] ogra: I can recheck with another DVD, but not other hardware [11:56] I can check it here once I finish downloading the edubuntu dvd [11:57] I have the Edubuntu DVD, I'll check too [11:57] surely this is not specific to edubuntu [11:57] doko, i find it weird that you have so many bugs i dont see anywhere else ... [11:57] if it is, it's even less potentially serious [11:57] especially the keyboard thing i see no technical way how that could happen [11:58] it's easy enough to test, should not be hardware-specific [11:58] I'm burning an Ubuntu amd64 DVD now [11:59] mdz, still i'm missing a logical explanation how a setting in a chroot can influence a confiog file on the host system [11:59] ogra: it's not release-critical. please worry about it later [11:59] we do not have time to get into extensive research regarding non-release-critical problems [11:59] cjwatson, well ... having all edubuntu installs with US keyboard is something i'd see as RC [11:59] I disagree [12:00] you can reconfigure it trivially, and furthermore you already said it's not happening to you [12:00] 80% of your users are non english [12:00] unless you feel that your testing is in some way inadequate? [12:00] not really ... it worked the last releases :) [12:01] I'm not dismissing doko's problem, but I do think that it is not something to delay release for [12:01] if i start seeing it too i'd consider it for edubuntu [12:02] but i dont (yet ?) so this discussion is pointless [12:03] ok, so we have a current direction for each of the outstanding issues I mentioned [12:03] last call for other issues we need to be aware of for release [12:04] bug 104602? [12:04] we are in a delicate state right now, and it's important to know how serious it is [12:04] Malone bug 104602 in sysvinit "root password visible at emergency console" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104602 [12:04] can be fixed in a security update as well, though [12:04] ah so i was not the only one [12:04] that's also with upstart [12:05] it's an usplash bug really [12:05] mdz: were you able to reproduce the NM resume from hibernate problem? [12:05] it's not a release blocker, but important IMHO [12:05] mdz: there is a bug in multipath-tools but i already uploaded the fixed version. it's not worth more discussion here. [12:06] pitti: we don't set root passwords by default, and you have to be at the console anyway [12:06] not a show stopper, but I was hoping to finish a usplash/CD install pic for Xubuntu [12:06] definitely not stopping the show ;) [12:06] pitti: definitely a serious issue which should be fixed [12:06] pitti: but I think it can be a security update [12:06] CD install images can go in very late, usplash less so [12:06] is that still possible? [12:06] I agree, but you wanted to be aware of important issues, so I thought I'd mention it [12:06] pitti: thanks [12:07] cjwatson: in any case, it should be done by tomorrow at the latest - if it is too late, so be it [12:08] if you don't have a release-critical task to work on, please join #ubuntu-bugs [12:08] and help keep an eye out for unexpected issues as they arise [12:09] if you discover something which looks serious, please talk to Colin, Scott or myself [12:09] there will be further communication about the kernel, certification and other outstanding issues as it is available [12:09] so, will we get new RC images? [12:09] or Herd-6? [12:09] what's the consensum now? [12:09] well, it's just a name [12:09] we will get new daily builds [12:09] it is unknown whether we will delay the release or not [12:10] and that will determine the plan for remaining milestones [12:10] I do not feel we should have a release candidate at this point [12:10] pitti: well herd-6 will involve a new RC set [12:10] unless the release is delayed [12:10] there is no point doing a full validation test of an RC at this point when there are known blockers [12:10] pitti: herd-6 => not a complete round of validation [12:11] has everyone done at least one test of each of their assigned ISOs? [12:11] please confirm === fabbione did [12:11] confirm [12:11] yes [12:11] yes === dholbach did too [12:11] pkl: yes [12:11] confirm [12:11] I will have done in about one minute when I reboot [12:11] heno: are you able to tell if any tests were outstanding? [12:11] server, not the kubuntu amd64 dvd yet (since cdimage was excessively slow yesterday) [12:12] mdz: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting has a pretty good overview [12:12] mdz: https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting [12:12] https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting shows quite a number of (0)s [12:12] oh wait ... not yet finished ... will finish later today [12:12] netboot is undertested and DVDs [12:12] doko: Thanks for doing those dvd tests btw. [12:13] and upgrades, I'm doing some of those now [12:13] Err, dholbach I mean. [12:13] Duh. [12:13] heno: please review with cjwatson and determine whether we need to push some specific cases [12:13] iwj: they were assigned to me :) [12:13] iwj: np [12:13] right [12:13] ok, we've taken long enough with this meeting, let's reconvene later once we've filled in some of the unknowns [12:13] adjourned, thanks all [12:13] doko: Were they ? heno said he was going to give them to me but as it was I didn't get the iso downloaded in time. [12:13] thanks [12:13] ogra: I can do a round of edubuntu upgrades tests for you if you want === asac leaves in a hurry [12:13] thanks [12:13] thanks [12:14] bye asac [12:14] mvo, appreciated === mvo prepares another tea [12:14] iwj: just the edubuntu amd64 dvd [12:15] Mithrandir: hm, without RC being decided, when would be a good time to upload new langpacks? [12:16] you guys rock. [12:16] pitti: after RC [12:16] Mithrandir: right, but now it's not even clear when or whether that will be [12:16] pitti: i'd say we keep RC mode until they decide and go from there [12:16] pitti: true. I'd like to do the current set of images first at least. [12:16] i see little point in pushing more atm [12:17] Mithrandir: right [12:17] Mithrandir: it can't happen before tomorrow midday anyway === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54955f10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955f10.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === somebody_ [n=somebody@penguin.lhup.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.82] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Bye"] === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p548AD98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A65EA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Moot2 [n=MootBot@kryten.incognitus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [02:38] @schedule Oslo [02:38] Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 22:00: Development Team | 12 Apr 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council [02:38] what's the difference between "Ubuntu development team" and "Development team" [02:39] ? [02:39] they can both go [02:43] but the difference? [02:44] one is old and obsolete, the other is merely obsolete [02:45] Riddell: so what's New and Hot? [02:45] right [02:46] @schedule chicago [02:46] Schedule for America/Chicago: 12 Apr 15:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 15:00: Development Team | 12 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 15:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 10:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 15:00: Community Council [02:46] argh, who booged up the fridge? [02:47] Treenaks: like I say, they can both go, the meeting has happened [02:49] Riddell: oh like that [02:49] Riddell: I thought someone had changed the project's organisational structure without telling anyone ;) [02:50] @schedule manila [02:50] Schedule for Asia/Manila: 13 Apr 04:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 04:00: Development Team | 13 Apr 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Apr 04:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 18 Apr 04:00: Community Council === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Apr 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 13 Apr 20:00 UTC: Forum Council | 17 Apr 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 18 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:00 UTC: Development Team [02:53] there fixed :) [02:53] @schedule Oslo [02:53] Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 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Development Team === Yogarine [n=Yogarine@200.129.73.136] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tsmithe [n=tsmithe@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-063-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:54] might be a bit late for the meeting === somerville32 is here. [09:55] hi dholbach and somerville32 [09:55] hey : ) [09:55] hi [09:56] Hello. [09:56] hi === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BEE94A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:02] well, agenda is fairly empty, noone's here [10:02] hi everybody [10:02] hi [10:02] let's get started, shall we? [10:02] oh good, sistpoty is awake ;) [10:03] hehe === Lutin_ [n=albin@lns-bzn-31-82-252-243-16.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] (partly awake... got up before 10am, new record *g*) === ajmitch was awake sometime around 5am [10:03] 10am, wow! :p === Hooloovoo [i=Hooloovo@h51n2fls32o989.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:04] ok [10:04] dholbach! [10:04] is the agenda new? === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon17840.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:04] hey ajmitch [10:04] do we have anything to talk about? [10:04] the charter's on there [10:04] erm.. that item was left over from the last agenda [10:04] apart from the release, and gutsy [10:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings [10:04] ok [10:04] I have only one small item: [10:04] release freeze? [10:05] the motu-uvf team needs to clean out all bugs and get things uploaded or rejected properly === mrpouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:05]