joejaxxasac: gnomefreak should i be at the next meeting?12:40
=== gnomefreak gonna try and be there :)
=== gnomefreak dont know what is gonna be topics for the meeting. im assuming most of what is there was defered
asacjoejaxx: if you have something to discuss feel free to propose a topic :)12:57
gnomefreaki was just about to ping you12:57
=== asac runs away ;)
gnomefreakfeisty+1 are we dumping libnspr4 and libnss?12:57
asacno ... they come from different place12:58
asaci will give you infos too12:58
asacyou would have to build those as well for your archive ... then respin iceape and firefox-trunk12:58
asacusing those12:58
gnomefreakusing libnss and libnspr4?12:59
asacif we have nss + nspr in your archive and all mozilla apps using those, we are close to what we want in feisty12:59
poningruwoah nice12:59
gnomefreakdont they already use them?12:59
gnomefreakoh ok12:59
asacfirefox provides them ... but thats bad ... others duplicate them mostly12:59
gnomefreakwell ill make you a deal ill add them to depends you add them to rules?01:00
asacyou won't have to change anything01:00
gnomefreakoh sweet01:01
gnomefreakgive me a hint and ill start with iceape mt5 with those01:01
asachow big are your changes to iceape atm?01:02
asace.g. what does a bzr diff give you?01:02
gnomefreaktells me its not a branch01:03
gnomefreakno matter where im cd'ed into01:03
asacyou are on svn :)01:04
asacwhat does svn diff yield :)01:04
gnomefreakwill be up in a minute01:05
gnomefreakmostly cosmetic01:06
gnomefreakyou made biggest change01:06
asacwhat did you do with the changelog?01:06
asacyou wiped all history?01:06
gnomefreakhad to or it wouldnt build01:07
gnomefreakit kept bitching at me for version01:07
asacah thats bullshit :)01:07
gnomefreaknot here its not.01:07
asacit builds unchanged, right?01:07
=== gnomefreak can add it back and give you errors
gnomefreakif i did not change version to mt it would have built01:08
asacdo an svn revert debian/changelog01:08
asacthis will wipe out your changes01:08
gnomefreaki have to clean it first01:09
gnomefreaksvn: Your .svn/tmp directory may be missing or corrupt; run 'svn cleanup' and try again01:09
gnomefreaksvn cleanup gives me that error01:09
asacrun it from inside debian dir01:10
gnomefreak.svn is there tmp is not there01:10
asacsvn revert changelog01:10
gnomefreaki did01:10
gnomefreakthats where i had to run all of the svn commands01:11
asacsvn status ?01:11
asacsvn status -q01:11
asacnot the first :)01:11
gnomefreak  L    .01:12
gnomefreakM      control01:12
gnomefreakM      rules01:12
gnomefreakM      remove.nonfree01:12
gnomefreakM      changelog01:12
=== gnomefreak knows each of those changes
asacyour working copy is locked01:12
asacaka 'L'01:12
asacyou must have killed a running svn process or something01:13
gnomefreaknot that i know of :(01:13
gnomefreaknot since the last build01:13
asacapparently you did01:13
asacwhy would it lock otherwise?01:13
asacmaybe svn unlock helps?01:13
=== gnomefreak doesnt know but after build i changes repo stuff and that was it
asacrepo stuff?01:14
gnomefreaksvn: Not enough arguments provided; try 'svn help' for more info01:14
gnomefreakasac: yeah the uploading of packages the release file the packages.gz and sources.gz01:15
asacsvn unlock .01:15
asacas . is locked according to status01:15
asacdoes it do something?01:15
gnomefreakim in debian and running that it tells me svn: '/home/gnomefreak/iceape-feisty/iceape-1.1.1' is not a working copy01:16
gnomefreaksvn unlocik .svn?01:16
asachmmm ... maybe go to #svn ... paste the status and ask how you can remove the lock please ... i guess you will have the answer in a minute01:16
asachonestly i have no idea ... and i don't like svn :)01:16
gnomefreakthere will see what happens01:17
gnomefreaksad. i know noone in there :(01:20
asacis there a lock file somewhere?01:21
asacin .svn01:22
asacfind .svn | grep lock ;)01:22
gnomefreakremove it?01:22
asacif you are brave yes01:23
asacmaybe backup the svn diff somewhere01:23
asacso you can reapply in case it breaks things01:23
gnomefreakopk where were we01:23
gnomefreakwhy not grab my source and ill just re-add all other changelog entries i should still have them01:26
gnomefreakand i will attempt to build it again with all entries in there01:27
asacbecause this is no long term solution ... better get used to technologies now when we still have no urgent things :)01:27
gnomefreaksvn isnt working atm :(01:27
gnomefreakeverything i give it it tells me to kiss its ass01:27
asacyeah ... then backup the diff to some file01:28
asacand reapply diff01:28
gnomefreakit cant open .svn/entries and thats bull shit because i catted it no problem01:28
asacsvn diff > $HOME/backup.patch01:28
asacthen remove debian dir01:28
asaccheckout again01:28
asacand do01:28
asacpatch -p1 < $HOME/backup.patch01:28
asacthis way you have the state you have now ... but without the lock01:29
asacgnomefreak: you must not edit anything in .svn01:29
asacthats why you cannot open .svn/entries01:29
asacanyway ... follow instructions above will heal you01:29
asacthen you can do svn revert changelog01:29
gnomefreaksvn will not work at all01:30
gnomefreaktyhat was my fault01:30
asacyou edited some files?01:30
asacin .svn?01:30
asacwhy else?01:30
gnomefreaki was in wrong dir01:30
asacwhen doing what?01:31
asacso now go to right dir :)01:31
gnomefreaksaving the diff i wasnt in debian01:31
gnomefreaki did already01:31
asacah ... ok01:31
asacnow its gone ?01:31
gnomefreakremoving debian dir atm01:31
asacok ... so everything is ok? diff done et al?01:32
gnomefreakyes im going for checkout atm01:32
asacuff ;)01:32
gnomefreaki should be in debian to run the patch p1 command?01:33
gnomefreakreapplying the diff01:33
asacyes in debian01:35
gnomefreakfile to patch  i want changelog?01:36
gnomefreakThe text leading up to this was:01:36
gnomefreak|Index: control01:36
gnomefreak|--- control    (revision 39888)01:36
gnomefreak|+++ control    (working copy)01:36
gnomefreakor control?01:36
gnomefreaklast update i changed contrl rules and changelog01:38
gnomefreaki dont have an issue since it says control to patch the control file but what happens when i get down to changelog. oh maybe i can01:49
gnomefreakok changelog now starts with your latest change01:50
gnomefreakdo i add one changelog entry and make all changes to it than build?01:51
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gnomefreakor just make a trival change to test?01:53
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gnomefreakok new source is built. are we just testing this or am i building a mt501:58
gnomefreakand can i name it mt5 in the changelog without my other changelog entries in there or do i need to start with mt0?01:58
asacyou should get used to keep changelog histroy01:59
asacwe might reset it once before we release this time (because there are lots of trial and error uploads i guess) ... but keeping is good02:00
asacthats an example that i tried and that worked02:00
=== gnomefreak is gonna try this
Admiral_Chicagois minefield just trunk mozilla products?02:04
gnomefreakfx3 is trunk build iirc02:05
Admiral_Chicagowell someone asked the difference between Paradiso and Minefield02:05
Admiral_Chicagoi realized that I didn't know02:05
Admiral_Chicagoah i see that now. yup02:06
gnomefreaki think minefield is official branding and gran paradiso is unofficial branding but as asac for better understanding of that02:07
gnomefreakok off to eat i have it building wish i would have saved the damn error :(02:09
gnomefreakif i get it again i will have it02:09
Admiral_Chicagognomefreak: can you link me to your repo again?02:14
gnomefreakapplying patch 10_components_no_exec to ./ ... failed.02:17
gnomefreakthe errors have started asac02:17
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: yeah give me a sec02:17
gnomefreakAdmiral_Chicago: deb http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main02:18
gnomefreakdeb-src http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/mozilla-testing feisty main02:18
gnomefreakill fuck with this tomorrow night02:19
gnomefreaknight meaning good night not tomorrow night02:42
Admiral_Chicagohaha. night gnomefreak02:42
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[Cade] gnomefreak: Are there any plans to wrap up Thunderbird2 RC1?04:27
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asacbug 10559311:05
ubotuMalone bug 105593 in restricted-manager "claims that nvidia is in use on live system" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10559311:05
Admiral_Chicago...why are we looking at this?11:06
asacAdmiral_Chicago: -> meeting :)11:24
asacjust didn't want to clutter meeting chat with bug title ;)11:24
Admiral_Chicago@now Chicago11:25
ubotuCurrent time in America/Chicago: April 12 2007, 04:25:03 - Next meeting: MOTU in 10 hours 34 minutes11:25
asacso i came here to talk to ubotu11:25
Admiral_Chicagoah I see11:25
asacdevelopment meetingi s now11:25
asachas been moved because of release11:25
Admiral_Chicagosounds good11:25
Admiral_Chicagolet me see the general chatter11:25
asacbug 10002111:33
ubotuMalone bug 100021 in network-manager "[Feisty]  LTSP fails on multi-homed server due to network manager touching predefined static interfaces" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10002111:33
gnomefreak\@schedule new_york01:37
gnomefreak@schedule new_york01:37
ubotuSchedule for America/New_York: 12 Apr 16:00: MOTU | 12 Apr 16:00: Development Team | 12 Apr 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Apr 16:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 16:00: Community Council01:37
gnomefreakasac: sorry bout yesterday the package was scribus not iceape so i just figured that is the way it needed to be.01:49
asacgnomefreak: ? i can't remember ;)01:51
gnomefreakthe changelog01:51
=== gnomefreak might be overreading marks email but looks like anything without full source code will not be in gutsy
asacaha ;)01:52
asacwhat does it mean?01:53
gnomefreakUbuntu 7.10 will feature a new flavour - as yet unnamed - which01:54
gnomefreaktakes an ultra-orthodox view of licensing: no firmware, drivers,01:54
gnomefreakimagery, sounds, applications, or other content which do not include01:54
gnomefreakfull source materials and come with full rights of modification,01:54
gnomefreakremixing and redistribution.01:54
gnomefreakis that the same you get from that?01:55
poningruwhere are you reading that dude?01:56
gnomefreakOur aim is to open Gutsy for general01:56
gnomefreakupload on the same day that Feisty is released. Wherever you are, that01:56
gnomefreakwill be a day for celebration. Go ape!01:56
gnomefreakponingru: email01:56
poningruright to whom?01:56
gnomefreakdevel announcment mailing list01:56
asacGo ape!01:59
asaci guess that means we ship iceape in main :)01:59
gnomefreakgibbons == an ape?01:59
gnomefreakGutsy Gibbon is full name of devel release01:59
=== gnomefreak hasnt had a chance to look it up yet
asaci think gibbons are no primates ... aka stupid apes02:00
asacoh its a primate ;)02:01
asacanyway ... i still think they are less developed than (chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and humans)02:02
=== poningru rofls
poningruI think humans are at teh bottom of that chain ;)02:03
=== gnomefreak agrees with that but its ok :)
poningruhumans: the stupidest of all apes02:04
asacyeah ... humas are no primates but deathmates02:04
gnomefreakasac: anyway we can make upgrading iceape to official in repos from mt02:13
asactransition will be smooth02:13
gnomefreakk good02:13
asacif people have our mt archive, they will get whatever is newer02:14
asace.g. mt ... or official02:14
gnomefreakso upgrading from mt to ubuntu1 isnt gonna cause an issue like it has in past with us02:14
asacyes ... because we have a full archive with Release.gpg et al02:15
asaccurrently feisty ... maybe we want to add gutsy there as well as soon as its available02:16
gnomefreakthey will be opening for uploads (toolchain) not sure if before feisty release or the day its released02:17
asacyeah ... first they update toolchain02:17
asacas soon as feisty comes out we can upload as well02:18
gnomefreakyou would have to check with keybuk on the details. im 95% sure hes scott02:18
asache is02:18
gnomefreakwe cant really do anything with out tool chain02:18
asacyes and no02:18
asacwe can do everything in feisty02:18
asacthen hope that new toolchain is not too broken02:19
asacso respin will just succeed02:19
gnomefreakyeah thats true02:19
asacwe probably have to wait for loads of dependencies to be available02:19
=== gnomefreak will be upgrading to gutsy as i have done in past within 2 weeks of repos opening
asacyeah ... thats heroic ;)02:20
asaci go for chroots ;)02:20
gnomefreakwell iirc most of our depends are >feistys version02:20
asacyeah ... but those need to be respun02:20
asacwith new toolchain02:20
gnomefreakthats easy enough as long as its not too borked02:21
asaci don't expect problems02:27
asacwe (as in debian) always have toolchain problems02:27
asacbut those are often on rare architectures02:27
asacas debian is one of the only users on those i guess02:28
gnomefreakubuntu has had in past but feisty seemed fairly good02:28
asacyes ... but feisty did not do any major version upgrades in toolchain elements afaik02:28
gnomefreakedgy had some issues02:28
asacanyway ... with mainstream architectures new toolchain should probably work out-of-box02:28
gnomefreaki think it was dapper that was bad all around in devel02:29
gnomefreakwe can only build x86 and 64 right?02:29
asacat least if things break, there are more than one or two persons that can fix it and have the will to contribute ;)02:29
gnomefreakno need to worry about sparc?02:29
asaci think we will support sparc02:29
gnomefreakyou have a sparc?02:30
asacafaik yes02:30
=== gnomefreak never seen one let alone own one
asacat least packages are build02:30
gnomefreakok cool02:30
gnomefreakno need to worry about mac since feisty doesnt seem to promote mac anymore02:30
asaci worked quite a bit on sparc during internet hype02:31
asacwe had a brokerage/banking customer that ran the application on a Sun E10K02:31
asacwith about 64 CPUs02:31
gnomefreak64 cpus?02:31
asaciirc each ran on 400MhZ02:32
asacthat things costed 2 or 3 million EUR02:32
asaccrazy experience02:32
asacthat thing got delivered02:32
asacwe feared because not yet being ready with our milestone02:32
asacluckily it did not run with normal power02:33
asaclike you can just plug in02:33
asaclooking word up its called02:33
asac"threephase" power02:33
asacin english02:33
asacyou know?02:33
asacanyway ... they got this cupboard delivered ... and recognized that they have no power02:34
asactook 2 weeks to get that done02:34
asacafterwards they had a sun consultant for weeks at the machine02:34
asacjust to fix things like microcode in cpus et al02:34
asacas i said ... wieder experience02:34
gnomefreakand they are worth it02:34
asacthe guy called "hardware doctor"02:35
gnomefreakthat is alot of power though02:35
asacproblem is you need to code highly scalable applications to utilize that much CPUs02:35
asacwas not that easy back in those days02:35
asactechnology like EJB was just evolving02:35
asacanyway E10K was a locker full of Sun E4800 iirc02:36
asacthat where connected with huge backpane to communicate02:36
asaci guess i will never see that again ;)02:37
gnomefreakbrb smoke02:38
asacwhat a joy02:53
asacgreat comment i'd say02:53
ubotuMalone bug 65164 in firefox "Firefox 2 can't save to fat32 partition" [Medium,In progress] 02:53
=== gnomefreak still trying to open page
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asacuploading is hard :)03:27
gnomefreakit is :)03:28
gnomefreakfixed the changelog so i figured now or never. once in repo make life easier03:29
asacBug 10559903:31
ubotuMalone bug 105599 in firefox "After many hours of intense use FF finally crashed on Control-T." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10559903:31
asacnice title :)03:31
gnomefreaktell him not to use keybindings and it wont crash :)03:32
=== asac wonders how to interpret "intense use"
asaciceape going to be upgraded? are they good?03:33
gnomefreakjust changelog fix03:36
gnomefreakim gonna check when next release will be out for iceape but somehoe i think 1.1.1 will be the latest for a while03:37
asacthey have security issues ... so update should come at some point03:38
gnomefreakmaybe ill trample through debian iceape bugs to see what fixes they have03:38
gnomefreakah ok 1.1.203:38
gnomefreakwould be next security?03:39
asachmm is 1.1.1 really latest?03:40
asaci thought they should be at 1.1.4 now03:40
gnomefreakim still shaky on releasing this without downloadmanager we are gonna get hit hard with bugs on that03:40
asace.g. like ffox
asacah 1.1.303:40
asacwithout downloadmanager?03:40
gnomefreakah so i should grab that tar and rebuild?03:40
gnomefreakyeah without the working download manager (thinking its download manager)03:41
gnomefreakinstall mamager doesnt sound right03:41
gnomefreakok thats working now :)03:43
gnomefreakwhen i am done uploading i will look for 1.1.3 but isnt that 1.1.1-3 the same as 1.1.303:44
gnomefreak1.1.1-3 == debian version03:44
gnomefreakim thinking the -3 == security fix but might be thier updates03:50
asacits debian updates03:57
asaclike what you count with mt now03:57
asacjust that its the debian version03:57
asac1.1.1 is upstream version03:57
asacso 1.1.3 is either not yet out03:57
asacor its not yet packaged03:57
asacif you see 1.1.2 or 1.1.3 feel free to update package03:58
gnomefreakhave to figure that out03:58
asac1.1.1 is apparently latest04:05
asaci will ask seamonkey developer if he shows up here in jabber04:05
gnomefreakits uploaded and working :)04:26
gnomefreakill brb just mucked up irssie05:02
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hjmflaunchpad sucks today. Takes longer submitting the retraced stacktrace than the time it takes to download the crash report and retracing it :(07:27
hjmfI had today a day plenty of spare time, so I decided to fill up your email clients with bug spam.07:29
hjmfseems that launchpad is not my ally today :-P07:32
asacthank you :)07:40
asacwhat happens if you send an email with attachment?07:40
hjmfasac: the attachment gets lost for ever (I tried some time ago)07:45
hjmfbut launchpadBugs.HTMLOperations  python library is your friend07:46
hjmfthough it doesn't handle status, assignee, importance, etc07:47
hjmfwhich does malone mail07:47
hjmfbut handles tags, attachment, summary, etc07:48
AlexLatchfordGutsy Gibbon07:48
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gnomefreakbtw rc is delayed a few days or more08:44
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gnomefreakasac: you around?09:34
gnomefreaki added the meeting time/date to fridge (when he gets time) and its on the agenda09:35
gnomefreak@schedule new_york09:36
ubotuSchedule for America/New_York: 12 Apr 16:00: MOTU | 13 Apr 16:00: Forum Council | 17 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 16:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:00: Development Team09:36
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atselbyCan anyone here help me with Beryl and Songbird?09:58
gnomefreakatselby: we dont support songbird afaik its not in repos and beryl help is in #ubuntu-effects10:07
atselbygnomefreak: I just figured I'd check since it's Mozilla based and all. Thanks I'll check with the Beryl channel that I'm on.10:08
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gnomefreakummmm asac please tell me your here i have weird error on LP with mozilla bug10:53
gnomefreakYou are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of mozilla-firefox-locale-fr (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.10:53
gnomefreakbug 3300410:54
ubotuMalone bug 33004 in mozilla-firefox-locale-fr "Weird shortcut" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3300410:54
gnomefreakmight need to be logged in :(10:55
gnomefreakbug 105474 needs to be marked as a dupe of the MTFS copying files bug where it turns out the file is empty. i searched but couldnt find one.11:21
ubotuMalone bug 105474 in firefox "Downloading files with firefox on an ntfs partition (ntfs 3g) results in empty files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10547411:21
Admiral_Chicagoyay Gutsy Gibbon11:48
hjmfgood night lads :)11:54
Admiral_Chicagoi still think we should have gone with glossy gnu11:54
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