[04:53] <superm1> keescook, you there?
[04:53] <superm1> hey majoridiot
[04:53] <superm1> just updated the Feisty_new page for ya
[04:54] <majoridiot> ty
[04:54] <majoridiot> :)
[04:55] <majoridiot> bouncing back and forth between things here
[05:17] <keescook> superm1: hiya! sup?
[05:28] <majoridiot> superm1: er, yeah... just a little better on the "what's new".  tyvm
[05:29] <superm1> hey keescook
[05:29] <superm1> i was gonna see if i could get you to get that old mythvideo debdiff in
[05:30] <superm1> but i just got Hobbsee to do ti
[05:34] <superm1> keescook, any more last minute thoughts on that bug about mythtv-setup not being runnable on ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[05:34] <superm1> ?
[06:16] <superm1> majoridiot, i'm getting those two screenshots done
[06:16] <superm1> finally
[06:16] <majoridiot> :)
[06:26] <superm1> k
[06:26] <superm1> they're there
[06:26] <superm1> anything mroe?
[06:27] <majoridiot> i think that was it
[06:28] <superm1> ready to go live?
[06:28] <superm1> :)
[06:28] <majoridiot> yup.
[06:28] <majoridiot> :)
[06:28] <superm1> k
[06:28] <superm1> i'll change the front page
[06:29] <superm1> okay consider us live....
[06:29] <superm1> will need to update those ISO links
[06:30] <majoridiot> leave as is for now or update with links to beta?
[06:34] <superm1> hm
[06:35] <superm1> well maybe update the links to RC ISOs?
[06:35] <majoridiot> RC soon, right?
[06:37] <superm1> today
[06:37] <majoridiot> tomorrow.
[06:37] <superm1> tomorrow
[06:37] <majoridiot> er
[06:37] <superm1> yes
[06:37] <majoridiot> lol
[06:37] <superm1> thought it was past 12
[06:37] <majoridiot> in a few minutes.
[06:37] <superm1> oh you know what i was going to say you should put in the whats new
[06:38] <majoridiot> >
[06:38] <majoridiot> ?
[06:39] <superm1> you should mention your new firewire pages
[06:39] <superm1> and a little about the new plugin pages
[06:39] <majoridiot> firewire page isn't really new, but i guess so
[06:40] <majoridiot> i definitely want to fill in the plugin pages a bit more too
[06:40] <superm1> well you finished it the last few weeks did you not?
[06:40] <majoridiot> no
[06:40] <majoridiot> just moved it from an edgy-specific page
[06:40] <superm1> didnt you reorganize it
[06:40] <superm1> back before my break?
[06:40] <superm1> i swear i thought you did
[06:41] <majoridiot> eh... some.
[06:41] <superm1> or at least the last month or two
[06:41] <majoridiot> will do a WOL page in the next few days, as i feel better
[06:41] <superm1> ah k
[06:41] <superm1> what are you doing sitting up by a comp when your sick dude
[06:42] <superm1> get in bed!
[06:42] <majoridiot> been up and down
[06:42] <majoridiot> head and sinuses fill with phlegmy goodness if i lay back too long
[06:42] <majoridiot> LOL
[06:42] <superm1> yuck
[06:43] <majoridiot> yeah... weird variant- stomach flu straight into a cold
[06:43] <majoridiot> but that's how everyone sems to be getting it around here.
[06:43] <superm1> yup i know how it feels
[06:43] <superm1> i'm so sick of being sick
[06:43] <majoridiot> i'll bet
[07:06] <superm1> okay majoridiot i'm gonna have to get going
[07:06] <majoridiot> nite
[07:06] <superm1> night dude
[07:06] <superm1> feel better
[07:06] <majoridiot> ty
[07:06] <superm1> and very nice job on docs,
[07:06] <majoridiot> you too
[07:06] <majoridiot> ty
[07:06] <superm1> glad things are live now!
[07:07] <majoridiot> very nice job on the packages!
[07:07] <majoridiot> agreed
[07:07] <superm1> Thx.
[08:24] <phlax> hi there - i have my dvb card working (tzap/dvbstream/mplayer), the tv_grab script seems to work and creates a .xmltv file, but when i try to scan for channels i get none, any ideas why?
[09:37] <phlax> hi - im trying to get mythtv going on edgy - many things do not seem to work as stated in the docs - mythtv-setup does not allow most of the important fields to be edited - no channels being found despite dvb working ok - any ideas?
[06:21] <superm1> Daviey, hey
[08:14] <superm1> keescook, ping
[08:20] <keescook> superm1: hiya
[08:21] <superm1> heya keescook .  i just caught something related to update-notifier
[08:21] <superm1> i noticed that our update-notifier wasn't working how it should
[08:21] <keescook> oh? what's the issue?
[08:21] <superm1> and its because an "exit 0" is coming three lines too soon
[08:21] <keescook> d'oh
[08:21] <superm1> but i fixed that, and things still aren't working right
[08:22] <superm1> /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp needs to be touched for update-notifier to show notifications
[08:22] <superm1> but i can't find anywhere in the firefox/debian directory that is done
[08:22] <superm1> so i'm not sure the right way that its supposed to happen
[08:22] <superm1> i tried to ping asac about it, but i guess he isn't around
[08:23] <keescook> dang, I wish I could help; I don't know anything about that subsystem.  :(  Did you ask on #u-dev about it?
[08:24] <superm1> yea, no answers
[09:16] <superm1> keescook, i got it figured out.  its because gdebi and dpkg both don't call the necessary apt hook that synaptic, update-notifier, and apt-get call.  adding the fixed package to a repository resolved the issue
[09:17] <keescook> superm1: ah, very cool.  So if one uses "dpkg -i" it'll skip it, but "apt-get" does it?  wild.
[09:17] <superm1> right
[09:17] <superm1> i'll commit that fix to bzr, i just want to nail the mythtv-setup related problem still
[09:17] <superm1> and then get these two in a debdiff
[09:17] <keescook> I had no idea there was additional logic in apt-get.  I thought it was just a Dep resolver.
[09:17] <superm1> :)
[09:53] <superm1> keescook, i got disconnected, did you see my above posts^
[09:54] <superm1> or did they not come in
[09:54] <keescook> I saw:
[09:54] <keescook> 12:17 < keescook> I had no idea there was additional logic in apt-get.  I thought it was just a Dep resolver.
[09:54] <keescook> 12:17 < superm1> :)
[09:54] <keescook> 12:44 -!- superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1]  has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 
[09:54] <keescook> 12:47 -!- superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1]  has joined #ubuntu-mythtv
[09:54] <keescook> 12:53 < superm1> keescook, i got disconnected, did you see my above posts^
 keescook, hows this sound: in the startup script for ubuntu-mythtv-frontend, it checks for existance/executableness of mythtv-backend.  if it is there it checks for ~/.mythtv/backend_configured.  if thats not there, then we launch mythtv-setup.  if it is, we launch mythfrontend
 and the problem is then solved
[09:54] <superm1> is what you missed then
[09:55] <keescook> yeah, that should work for new installs.
[09:55] <keescook> it's not 100% solution (what if they run the script but don't save anything?)
[09:55] <superm1> well then the backend is "configured"
[09:56] <superm1> because once mythtv-setup is launched, it writes data to the mysql server
[09:56] <keescook> and after that, they can run it separately, etc.  yeah, that should be fine.
[09:57] <superm1> okay there are a few complexities around it with regard to them needing to fill the database and start stop the backend too
[09:57] <superm1> i'll get something together
[09:57] <superm1> and try it out in a vm
[11:23] <superm1> okay majoridiot with these changes, basically that section gets simplified to two steps
[11:23] <superm1> sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master (or) sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend
[11:24] <superm1> followed by sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[11:24] <superm1> on login, zenity comes up asking if you want to run mythtv setup
[11:24] <superm1> and if you say yes, it stops the backend for you
[11:24] <superm1> runs mythtv-setup
[11:24] <superm1> asks you if you want to fill the database
[11:24] <superm1> if so it does it for you
[11:24] <superm1> and then starts the backend and then runs mythfrontend
[11:33] <majoridiot> "on login" meaning after restarting gdm directly after the package is installed?
[11:35] <majoridiot> superm1: also, is this only concerning BE/FE installs?
[11:35] <superm1> oh missed your first response
[11:35] <superm1> meaning after estarting gdm
[11:35] <superm1> yes
[11:35] <superm1> this only concerns a be fe install
[11:35] <superm1> or an install that someone adds mythbackend later
[11:36] <superm1> to a fe only install
[11:36] <superm1> the update notifier stuff concerns only desktop installs though
[11:36] <superm1> keescook, will you be able to sponsor a debdiff on this tonite, or should i look in -motu?
[11:36] <majoridiot> k... then is it necessary to stop the backend?  it should *not* be running at that point on a BEFE install and would not need stopped if adding a FE to an existing BE... no?
[11:37] <superm1> in case for some reason it *is* started
[11:37] <majoridiot> ah
[11:37] <superm1> it just sends a kill signal if the process is around
[11:37] <majoridiot> idiot insurance ;)
[11:37] <superm1> and removed the pid
[11:37] <superm1> yes
[11:55] <keescook> superm1: sure I can try to stuff it in, but if I'm not around, ask motu for sure.  :)
[11:55] <superm1> okay i have one more bug i am going to squeeze in
[11:55] <superm1> and then it will be good to go
[11:55] <keescook> :)