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| radevil | hello, is there anyone in here working for cannonical??? | 12:24 |
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| lionel | radevil: fabionne and infinity are | 12:31 |
| lionel | but they are probabily not around | 12:31 |
| radevil | mm ok | 12:35 |
| radevil | i'm right now doing my CV to send it to canonical | 12:35 |
| radevil | i wanted to speak with any of them to know a little bit more about the job | 12:36 |
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| radevil | :) | 12:40 |
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| andel7 | exit | 01:24 |
| radevil | s | 02:04 |
| radevil | ls | 02:04 |
| mralphabet | grep | 02:11 |
| shawarma | kill | 02:23 |
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| radevil | Hello | 03:38 |
| shawarma | hi | 03:39 |
| radevil | do you work for canonical? | 03:41 |
| shawarma | Nope. | 03:43 |
| dj-fu | lol | 03:44 |
| dj-fu | isn't a shawarma like a kebab but with different bread? | 03:44 |
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| josh_ | anyone here that can help me with me half-life server ???? | 06:43 |
| josh_ | ..its runing good just cant get to it from LAN | 06:43 |
| josh_ | i can get to all other servers on teh box via my ddns exept the half-life server | 06:44 |
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| dsdg | halo i am running pureftpd-mysql on ubuntu, how can i stop users from deleteing? | 02:52 |
| dsdg | no one knows? | 02:53 |
| dsdg | ok, i see this, -K --keepallfiles, but where do i add it..? | 02:54 |
| mralphabet | dsdg: it generally takes more then 1 minute for you to get an answer, have patience | 03:14 |
| dsdg | hehehe | 03:15 |
| dsdg | yea i have actually given up man, sometimes ubuntu can be quite confusing...take pureftpd for instance, wtf did they try to do there? wtf is the config files...? | 03:15 |
| dsdg | crazy devs... | 03:16 |
| mralphabet | yes, because everybody loves being ridiculed because we don't answer your question within 30 seconds | 03:16 |
| mralphabet | . . . | 03:16 |
| dsdg | its not about that really, | 03:16 |
| mralphabet | dsdg: there's a server dev job open with canonical, feel free to put an app in | 03:16 |
| dsdg | all i want is a normal config file, like gentoo, etc etc, where i can add options, instead i must sniff it out of /etc/default/pure-ftpd | 03:16 |
| dsdg | mralphabet, again, it;'s not about that...this seems to be the only defence a dev can come up with, "if you dont like it, do it yourself" that's getting old man, | 03:18 |
| fabbione | dsdg: you want it in one file.. somebody else wants it splitted in multiple files.. take your pick | 03:18 |
| fabbione | it's matemathically impossible to make everybody happy | 03:18 |
| dsdg | fabbione, no, i said i am looking for a config file... | 03:18 |
| fabbione | dsdg: did you check in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd ? | 03:18 |
| dsdg | for instance, where will i add a simple option like -K to my startup options of pureftpd? | 03:18 |
| fabbione | i don't have it installed | 03:18 |
| fabbione | i don't use it.. so i can't say.. but usually a start up option is in /etc/default/ or /etc/init.d/pure... | 03:19 |
| dsdg | fabbione, i am reading through there, thanks for that btw, trust me i just want things easier, not more difficult, | 03:21 |
| fabbione | dsdg: if this is your first time with Ubuntu/debian based systems, you will need to get used to some differences with other distros | 03:21 |
| fabbione | it's normal | 03:21 |
| fabbione | there are always differences | 03:21 |
| fabbione | but i am being rethoric here | 03:22 |
| fabbione | anyway what i told you before is valid for let say 99% of the packages out there | 03:22 |
| dsdg | fabbione, i know, i have been using gentoo for years so trust me, i can work on any distro, boss-man wants this server on ubuntu...so here i am, suppose ill just give it time, | 03:22 |
| fabbione | /usr/share/doc/packagename | 03:26 |
| fabbione | i hate boss that forces people on distro foobar | 03:26 |
| dsdg | yea :( | 03:26 |
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| dsdg | ah good news :) but not on the ftp side, apache this time, | 03:31 |
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| dballester | hi to all | 04:02 |
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| dballester | mralphabet, what is the best way to propose a feature or enhancement for ubuntu-server ( it's about raw devices ) | 04:04 |
| fabbione | dballester: you want to create a spec in launchpad and propose it for discussion | 04:05 |
| dballester | ok | 04:05 |
| fabbione | the spec in LP will point to the wiki.ubuntu.com/blabla page | 04:05 |
| fabbione | with all details about the spec | 04:06 |
| fabbione | then once the spec is in a reasonable state you propose it | 04:06 |
| dballester | indeed | 04:06 |
| dballester | in fact is very simple and may be you're solving it in another way | 04:06 |
| ivoks | dballester: easy set up of raw devices? | 04:06 |
| dballester | at least the initial mknod c 162 0 to be done at installation time, if i'm not wrong seems that is not created ( at least I needed to create it by hand to be able to use raw command ) | 04:09 |
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| andel7 | hi guys | 04:09 |
| lionel | hi andel7 | 04:14 |
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| chandu_ | hi | 04:42 |
| chandu_ | what services will be enabled by default in Ubuntu-server | 04:45 |
| shawarma | None, really. | 04:46 |
| fabbione | chandu_: none. no open ports/services. you can select at install time if yuo want DNS server and/or LAMP server | 04:46 |
| shawarma | Unless you choose the LAMP or DNS install. | 04:46 |
| shawarma | heh.. | 04:46 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, Does it contains only these two server componets ..LAMP & DNS | 04:47 |
| shawarma | Well, no. | 04:47 |
| shawarma | But those are the ones you can choose at install time. | 04:47 |
| shawarma | After installation, you can install anything you want. | 04:47 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, ok | 04:47 |
| fabbione | as shawarma sais | 04:47 |
| shawarma | web servers, ftp servers.. Anything in the Ubuntu archive. | 04:47 |
| fabbione | LAMP and DNS are just common enough to be worth asking at install time | 04:48 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, So ..If I am not chosing thsoe during installation ..it means only desktop will get installed | 04:48 |
| shawarma | No desktop. | 04:48 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, oh .only base system | 04:48 |
| shawarma | That's pretty much what server installation means. | 04:48 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, without X | 04:48 |
| shawarma | chandu_: All the available software is the same in the "regular" ubuntu version and the server on.e | 04:48 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, ok | 04:49 |
| shawarma | chandu_: It's just a matter of what is installed by default. | 04:49 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Oh, there's a different kernel for server installs, though. | 04:49 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, but in the regular ubuntu version .. U get desktop by default once U installed right | 04:49 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Lower HZ, another io scheduler by default, iirc.. Stuff like that. | 04:49 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, different version of kernel ..of kernel with different configuration | 04:49 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Yes. | 04:49 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Same version, slightly different configuration. | 04:50 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, k | 04:50 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, the how abt in server version ..no desktop by default | 04:50 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, As of I know servers wont come with desktop | 04:50 |
| shawarma | chandu_: No. Only very basic installation. | 04:50 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, ok | 04:50 |
| shawarma | chandu_: We have a pretty strict "no open ports by default" policy. | 04:50 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, So over the basic isntallation ..whatver server components we need ..we need to instal using apt-get | 04:51 |
| shawarma | chandu_: That's the idea, yes. | 04:51 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, | 04:51 |
| chandu_ | no open ports by default" policy. means what | 04:51 |
| shawarma | It means that when you're done installing any version of Ubuntu, there's no services listeing for network connections. It's a security decision made long ago. | 04:51 |
| chandu_ | shawarma,means network service wont be there by default | 04:52 |
| shawarma | The server installation cd contains a bunch of server software, though, but it's not installed and configured by default. | 04:52 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Yes. | 04:52 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, then if no network ..how do you connect to repo and install componetns thru apt-get | 04:53 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, you need to put the server cd ..and install locally | 04:53 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Oh, you can connect to the network. The network cannot connect to you. | 04:53 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, ok ok ..its one way | 04:53 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, no packets from outside network coming inside | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | its pretty neat | 04:53 |
| shawarma | chandu_: It's not like there's not network support. There are just no networked services installed by default. | 04:53 |
| shawarma | chandu_: Precisely. | 04:54 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, is there any doc or website where can I get the more detail abt server and what packages do I need to install to setup a fully qualified server ..with security features like PAM, selinux and all | 04:55 |
| chandu_ | shawarma, Why server components are not installed by default during installation .. is it because of the policy as you told for some security reasons | 04:57 |
| mralphabet | yes | 05:01 |
| mralphabet | there are a lot of linux distributions that have many services (services meaning telnet, ssh, ftp, dns, http, https, etc etc etc) installed by default | 05:02 |
| mralphabet | for those people out there in the world that simply install a system and never apply updates, that server with open services will soon become insecure because of exploits or whatever else | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | the install provides you a good base to design your own setup with very little hassle | 05:04 |
| mralphabet | This is opposed to the debian approach where the only services that are open are the services you choose | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | so there is an assumption that you actually know what you are installing/using | 05:04 |
| fabbione | we install less than Debian | 05:05 |
| fabbione | not even openssh is installed | 05:05 |
| mralphabet | fabbione: right, sorry | 05:05 |
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| chandu_ | so in debian some services will be enabled by default | 05:10 |
| mralphabet | ssh | 05:11 |
| chandu_ | is there any debian server cd like ubuntu server cd .. I dint get anyone | 05:11 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet,ok | 05:11 |
| mralphabet | chandu_: to install ssh on ubuntu server -- sudo apt-get install openssh | 05:11 |
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| mralphabet | to install apache -- sudo apt-get install apache2 | 05:12 |
| Nafallo | how hard is it to do sudo apt-get install openssh-server after it's installed? :-) | 05:12 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, yup I know this .. | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | like sabdfl said in his email, even a monkey can install it lol | 05:13 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, I want to know ..how the user comes to know that he wants to install all these components t osetup a server | 05:13 |
| Nafallo | chandu_: if he DOESN'T KNOW what ssh is he would probably not need it :-) | 05:14 |
| mralphabet | chandu_: if you want to serve web pages in linux, what software do you need? | 05:14 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, its httpd or apache | 05:15 |
| mralphabet | chandu_: and how do *you* know this? | 05:15 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, you mean the same way the user will do | 05:15 |
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| Nafallo | anyway. we have a serverguide! :-D | 05:16 |
| mralphabet | you asked "how does the user come to know what he wants to install" | 05:16 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, yup | 05:16 |
| Nafallo | so help.ubuntu.com ;-) | 05:16 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, I meant the way I know abt the package ..the other users will also have to know abt pkgs needed and then install right | 05:16 |
| ivoks | CoC, people, CoC :) | 05:16 |
| mralphabet | The answer is "you start with what you want to accomplish, then research for the best software to use for what you want to accomplish" | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | chandu_: you mean "how will a user know the name of the package?" | 05:17 |
| chandu_ | mralphabet, ok fine ...I got it | 05:17 |
| chandu_ | jsgotangco, No I got the answer from mralphabet | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | cool | 05:17 |
| chandu_ | Thank you Guys | 05:17 |
| Nafallo | chandu_: I can really recommend help.ubuntu.com for users :-) | 05:17 |
| ivoks | i agree | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:17 |
| chandu_ | Nafallo, ok ..let me go through that | 05:18 |
| Nafallo | even for me | 05:18 |
| Nafallo | and I'm not exactly "user" anymore :-) | 05:18 |
| chandu_ | But I have a question ..I have seen Redhat Enterprise and Advanced server | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | chandu_: the server CD provides you a good base to customize on how you want your server to function, hence there are no default services enabled | 05:18 |
| chandu_ | where you get all services get isntalled by default | 05:18 |
| mralphabet | chandu_: I don't mean to be difficult, sorry if I come across that way | 05:18 |
| chandu_ | jsgotangco, ok ..you mean the Ubuntu policy tells that .. User comes to know what is ther e in his server only when he himself installs the server components over the base sysettm | 05:19 |
| ivoks | chandu_: you don't | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | chandu_: because RHEL caters to a different market and uses this approach while ubuntu server assumes a level of proficiency with regards to the services | 05:19 |
| chandu_ | jsgotangco, ok .. I got it .. | 05:20 |
| ivoks | chandu_: as a RHCE, I guarantee you that RHAS and RHES don't come with all services preinstalled | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | yeah you got nice graphical tools though if you opt to | 05:20 |
| chandu_ | jsgotangco, ok fine | 05:20 |
| chandu_ | Thank you Guys .. | 05:20 |
| chandu_ | I got some information | 05:21 |
| Nafallo | jsgotangco: do they work over serial? ;-) | 05:21 |
| chandu_ | I have to leave now .. | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:21 |
| chandu_ | Will catch you with few more questions tomorrow | 05:21 |
| chandu_ | bye | 05:21 |
| ivoks | bye | 05:21 |
| Nafallo | chandu_: see ya | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | ciao | 05:23 |
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| andel7 | i'm looking for any kind of bruteforce protection - some mechanism that will block the IP that failed to authenitcate more then 6 times? is there anything like that ? | 06:29 |
| ivoks | for ssh? | 06:31 |
| ivoks | anyway, iptables | 06:32 |
| ivoks | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 6 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP | 06:34 |
| ivoks | or something like that... | 06:34 |
| andel7 | thanks ivoks | 06:41 |
| andel7 | and yes i need it for ssh.... | 06:41 |
| ivoks | np | 06:41 |
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| dballester | nos vemos! | 07:27 |
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| h4wk0 | Im looking in getting a dedicated server and having ubuntu installed - Just wondered how stable is is proven to be | 11:11 |
| mralphabet | h4wk0: it works for lots of people | 11:12 |
| h4wk0 | And i take it - you would advise me to use 6.06lts | 11:12 |
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| mralphabet | I would advise you to use whatever you want, LTS offers package stability and security | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | so does 6.10 and 7.04 ;-) | 11:20 |
| mralphabet | 7.04 offers latest greatest packages | 11:20 |
| mralphabet | Nafallo: so LTS offers nothing over 6.10 / 7.04? | 11:20 |
| Nafallo | yes it does. 60 months instead of 18 :-) | 11:21 |
| Nafallo | if I calculated that correclty ;-) | 11:21 |
| h4wk0 | All i need to find is a cheap us dedicated server place :) | 11:33 |
| h4wk0 | Accpets paypal and allows irc | 11:33 |
| theacolyte | LOL | 11:37 |
| theacolyte | good luck | 11:37 |
| theacolyte | no network will allow IRC for cheap | 11:37 |
| theacolyte | if you decide to do IRC though, I'd suggest http://www.sharktech.net/ | 11:38 |
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| h4wk0 | Well at the min - ive found corenetworks.net | 11:47 |
| h4wk0 | But dont accept paypal, but sales team say they might be able to do it | 11:47 |
| h4wk0 | But dont like the "may be able to" | 11:47 |
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