=== radevil [n=radevil@201.249.82.95] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:24] hello, is there anyone in here working for cannonical??? [12:31] radevil: fabionne and infinity are [12:31] but they are probabily not around [12:35] mm ok [12:35] i'm right now doing my CV to send it to canonical [12:36] i wanted to speak with any of them to know a little bit more about the job === andel7 [n=Lev@64.14.51.132] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:40] :) === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-163-143.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === radevil [n=radevil@201.249.82.95] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:24] exit [02:04] s [02:04] ls [02:11] grep [02:23] kill === dj-fu [n=aj@202.89.35.29] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:38] Hello [03:39] hi [03:41] do you work for canonical? [03:43] Nope. [03:44] lol [03:44] isn't a shawarma like a kebab but with different bread? === dguitar4 [n=dguitar4@ip72-192-215-132.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === josh_ [n=josh@oh-76-5-239-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:43] anyone here that can help me with me half-life server ???? [06:43] ..its runing good just cant get to it from LAN [06:44] i can get to all other servers on teh box via my ddns exept the half-life server === josh_ [n=josh@oh-76-5-239-237.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@2-169.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === joejaxx [n=joejaxx@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-123.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-52.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-52.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-server === foo [n=foo@unaffiliated/foo] has joined #ubuntu-server === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@5-123.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host222-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT_ [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-server === elyob [n=chatzill@5ac0400c.bb.sky.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === elyob [n=chatzill@5ac0400c.bb.sky.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-server === dsdg [n=dsdg@196.211.106.129] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:52] halo i am running pureftpd-mysql on ubuntu, how can i stop users from deleteing? [02:53] no one knows? [02:54] ok, i see this, -K --keepallfiles, but where do i add it..? [03:14] dsdg: it generally takes more then 1 minute for you to get an answer, have patience [03:15] hehehe [03:15] yea i have actually given up man, sometimes ubuntu can be quite confusing...take pureftpd for instance, wtf did they try to do there? wtf is the config files...? [03:16] crazy devs... [03:16] yes, because everybody loves being ridiculed because we don't answer your question within 30 seconds [03:16] . . . [03:16] its not about that really, [03:16] dsdg: there's a server dev job open with canonical, feel free to put an app in [03:16] all i want is a normal config file, like gentoo, etc etc, where i can add options, instead i must sniff it out of /etc/default/pure-ftpd [03:18] mralphabet, again, it;'s not about that...this seems to be the only defence a dev can come up with, "if you dont like it, do it yourself" that's getting old man, [03:18] dsdg: you want it in one file.. somebody else wants it splitted in multiple files.. take your pick [03:18] it's matemathically impossible to make everybody happy [03:18] fabbione, no, i said i am looking for a config file... [03:18] dsdg: did you check in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd ? [03:18] for instance, where will i add a simple option like -K to my startup options of pureftpd? [03:18] i don't have it installed [03:19] i don't use it.. so i can't say.. but usually a start up option is in /etc/default/ or /etc/init.d/pure... [03:21] fabbione, i am reading through there, thanks for that btw, trust me i just want things easier, not more difficult, [03:21] dsdg: if this is your first time with Ubuntu/debian based systems, you will need to get used to some differences with other distros [03:21] it's normal [03:21] there are always differences [03:22] but i am being rethoric here [03:22] anyway what i told you before is valid for let say 99% of the packages out there [03:22] fabbione, i know, i have been using gentoo for years so trust me, i can work on any distro, boss-man wants this server on ubuntu...so here i am, suppose ill just give it time, [03:26] /usr/share/doc/packagename [03:26] i hate boss that forces people on distro foobar [03:26] yea :( === ivoks [n=ivoks@17-80.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:31] ah good news :) but not on the ftp side, apache this time, === jronnblom [n=jar@3007a.uranus.nu] has joined #ubuntu-server === dballester [n=dbm@40.Red-217-126-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:02] hi to all === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:04] mralphabet, what is the best way to propose a feature or enhancement for ubuntu-server ( it's about raw devices ) [04:05] dballester: you want to create a spec in launchpad and propose it for discussion [04:05] ok [04:05] the spec in LP will point to the wiki.ubuntu.com/blabla page [04:06] with all details about the spec [04:06] then once the spec is in a reasonable state you propose it [04:06] indeed [04:06] in fact is very simple and may be you're solving it in another way [04:06] dballester: easy set up of raw devices? [04:09] at least the initial mknod c 162 0 to be done at installation time, if i'm not wrong seems that is not created ( at least I needed to create it by hand to be able to use raw command ) === andel7 [n=Lev@64.14.51.132] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:09] hi guys [04:14] hi andel7 === chandu_ [i=chandu@nat/hp/x-1003c38b0bbbf902] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:42] hi [04:45] what services will be enabled by default in Ubuntu-server [04:46] None, really. [04:46] chandu_: none. no open ports/services. you can select at install time if yuo want DNS server and/or LAMP server [04:46] Unless you choose the LAMP or DNS install. [04:46] heh.. [04:47] shawarma, Does it contains only these two server componets ..LAMP & DNS [04:47] Well, no. [04:47] But those are the ones you can choose at install time. [04:47] After installation, you can install anything you want. [04:47] shawarma, ok [04:47] as shawarma sais [04:47] web servers, ftp servers.. Anything in the Ubuntu archive. [04:48] LAMP and DNS are just common enough to be worth asking at install time [04:48] shawarma, So ..If I am not chosing thsoe during installation ..it means only desktop will get installed [04:48] No desktop. [04:48] shawarma, oh .only base system [04:48] That's pretty much what server installation means. [04:48] shawarma, without X [04:48] chandu_: All the available software is the same in the "regular" ubuntu version and the server on.e [04:49] shawarma, ok [04:49] chandu_: It's just a matter of what is installed by default. [04:49] chandu_: Oh, there's a different kernel for server installs, though. [04:49] shawarma, but in the regular ubuntu version .. U get desktop by default once U installed right [04:49] chandu_: Lower HZ, another io scheduler by default, iirc.. Stuff like that. [04:49] shawarma, different version of kernel ..of kernel with different configuration [04:49] chandu_: Yes. [04:50] chandu_: Same version, slightly different configuration. [04:50] shawarma, k [04:50] shawarma, the how abt in server version ..no desktop by default [04:50] shawarma, As of I know servers wont come with desktop [04:50] chandu_: No. Only very basic installation. [04:50] shawarma, ok [04:50] chandu_: We have a pretty strict "no open ports by default" policy. [04:51] shawarma, So over the basic isntallation ..whatver server components we need ..we need to instal using apt-get [04:51] chandu_: That's the idea, yes. [04:51] shawarma, [04:51] no open ports by default" policy. means what [04:51] It means that when you're done installing any version of Ubuntu, there's no services listeing for network connections. It's a security decision made long ago. [04:52] shawarma,means network service wont be there by default [04:52] The server installation cd contains a bunch of server software, though, but it's not installed and configured by default. [04:52] chandu_: Yes. [04:53] shawarma, then if no network ..how do you connect to repo and install componetns thru apt-get [04:53] shawarma, you need to put the server cd ..and install locally [04:53] chandu_: Oh, you can connect to the network. The network cannot connect to you. [04:53] shawarma, ok ok ..its one way [04:53] shawarma, no packets from outside network coming inside [04:53] its pretty neat [04:53] chandu_: It's not like there's not network support. There are just no networked services installed by default. [04:54] chandu_: Precisely. [04:55] shawarma, is there any doc or website where can I get the more detail abt server and what packages do I need to install to setup a fully qualified server ..with security features like PAM, selinux and all [04:57] shawarma, Why server components are not installed by default during installation .. is it because of the policy as you told for some security reasons [05:01] yes [05:02] there are a lot of linux distributions that have many services (services meaning telnet, ssh, ftp, dns, http, https, etc etc etc) installed by default [05:03] for those people out there in the world that simply install a system and never apply updates, that server with open services will soon become insecure because of exploits or whatever else [05:04] the install provides you a good base to design your own setup with very little hassle [05:04] This is opposed to the debian approach where the only services that are open are the services you choose [05:04] so there is an assumption that you actually know what you are installing/using [05:05] we install less than Debian [05:05] not even openssh is installed [05:05] fabbione: right, sorry === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:10] so in debian some services will be enabled by default [05:11] ssh [05:11] is there any debian server cd like ubuntu server cd .. I dint get anyone [05:11] mralphabet,ok [05:11] chandu_: to install ssh on ubuntu server -- sudo apt-get install openssh === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-87.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:12] to install apache -- sudo apt-get install apache2 [05:12] how hard is it to do sudo apt-get install openssh-server after it's installed? :-) [05:13] mralphabet, yup I know this .. [05:13] like sabdfl said in his email, even a monkey can install it lol [05:13] mralphabet, I want to know ..how the user comes to know that he wants to install all these components t osetup a server [05:14] chandu_: if he DOESN'T KNOW what ssh is he would probably not need it :-) [05:14] chandu_: if you want to serve web pages in linux, what software do you need? [05:15] mralphabet, its httpd or apache [05:15] chandu_: and how do *you* know this? [05:15] mralphabet, you mean the same way the user will do === jsgotangco thinks its there is a clear misunderstanding with english here [05:16] anyway. we have a serverguide! :-D [05:16] you asked "how does the user come to know what he wants to install" [05:16] mralphabet, yup [05:16] so help.ubuntu.com ;-) [05:16] mralphabet, I meant the way I know abt the package ..the other users will also have to know abt pkgs needed and then install right [05:16] CoC, people, CoC :) [05:17] The answer is "you start with what you want to accomplish, then research for the best software to use for what you want to accomplish" [05:17] chandu_: you mean "how will a user know the name of the package?" [05:17] mralphabet, ok fine ...I got it [05:17] jsgotangco, No I got the answer from mralphabet [05:17] cool [05:17] Thank you Guys [05:17] chandu_: I can really recommend help.ubuntu.com for users :-) [05:17] i agree [05:17] yes [05:18] Nafallo, ok ..let me go through that [05:18] even for me [05:18] and I'm not exactly "user" anymore :-) [05:18] But I have a question ..I have seen Redhat Enterprise and Advanced server [05:18] chandu_: the server CD provides you a good base to customize on how you want your server to function, hence there are no default services enabled [05:18] where you get all services get isntalled by default [05:18] chandu_: I don't mean to be difficult, sorry if I come across that way [05:19] jsgotangco, ok ..you mean the Ubuntu policy tells that .. User comes to know what is ther e in his server only when he himself installs the server components over the base sysettm [05:19] chandu_: you don't [05:19] chandu_: because RHEL caters to a different market and uses this approach while ubuntu server assumes a level of proficiency with regards to the services [05:20] jsgotangco, ok .. I got it .. [05:20] chandu_: as a RHCE, I guarantee you that RHAS and RHES don't come with all services preinstalled [05:20] yeah you got nice graphical tools though if you opt to [05:20] jsgotangco, ok fine [05:20] Thank you Guys .. [05:21] I got some information [05:21] jsgotangco: do they work over serial? ;-) [05:21] I have to leave now .. [05:21] :D [05:21] Will catch you with few more questions tomorrow [05:21] bye [05:21] bye [05:21] chandu_: see ya [05:23] ciao === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@20-32.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:29] i'm looking for any kind of bruteforce protection - some mechanism that will block the IP that failed to authenitcate more then 6 times? is there anything like that ? [06:31] for ssh? [06:32] anyway, iptables [06:34] iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 6 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP [06:34] or something like that... [06:41] thanks ivoks [06:41] and yes i need it for ssh.... [06:41] np === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:27] nos vemos! === dballester [n=dbm@40.Red-217-126-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === lullabud [n=lullabud@12.24.42.67] has joined #ubuntu-server === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === Burgwork [n=corey@sacc-66-78-247-43.smartcity.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@0-159.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater_ [n=sacater@86.154.53.102] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@colchester-lug/member/sacater] has joined #ubuntu-server === h4wk0 [n=nperry@89.241.234.71] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:11] Im looking in getting a dedicated server and having ubuntu installed - Just wondered how stable is is proven to be [11:12] h4wk0: it works for lots of people [11:12] And i take it - you would advise me to use 6.06lts === dj-fu [n=aj@202.89.35.29] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:19] I would advise you to use whatever you want, LTS offers package stability and security [11:20] so does 6.10 and 7.04 ;-) [11:20] 7.04 offers latest greatest packages [11:20] Nafallo: so LTS offers nothing over 6.10 / 7.04? [11:21] yes it does. 60 months instead of 18 :-) [11:21] if I calculated that correclty ;-) [11:33] All i need to find is a cheap us dedicated server place :) [11:33] Accpets paypal and allows irc [11:37] LOL [11:37] good luck [11:37] no network will allow IRC for cheap [11:38] if you decide to do IRC though, I'd suggest http://www.sharktech.net/ === mipe [n=05049bb3@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:47] Well at the min - ive found corenetworks.net [11:47] But dont accept paypal, but sales team say they might be able to do it [11:47] But dont like the "may be able to" === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mipe [n=05049bb3@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host29-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server