posingaspopularokay ctrl+alt+f1 works fine for me12:27
posingaspopulari have no idea how to exit back to gui though12:28
Grey_LokiI'd guess at either 'exit' or 'startx'12:28
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Grey_LokiPass, then12:31
posingaspopularit's coolthanks12:32
morpheus74posingaspopular, Sorry, I did not realize you were done already.  Try ctrl-alt- F7 to get back to your gui.12:35
posingaspopularmorpheus74: i just did a cold reboot12:36
morpheus74posingaspopular, When you did ctrl+alt+ F1, did the font size get really big, or did it stay the same as you have in your gui?12:36
posingaspopularyou should file a bug report12:36
posingaspopularthe same12:36
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morpheus74posingaspopular, The other issue I ran into was I could not get back to my gui doing ctrl+alt+F7, which bring me back to my gui in Ubuntu 6.10.12:37
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morpheus74The machine then locked up on me.  I'm not sure if this is a bug.  What do you think?12:37
posingaspopularthat works fine for me....12:37
morpheus74Hmm, must be my hardware then.12:38
morpheus74Thanks for checking it out.12:38
posingaspopularyea it works fine for me, you should file a bug report , imo12:39
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Dan4Can anyone help me? I want to add a second shared printer to linux but the URl of the printer has a space in it, whenever I submit it it removes anything after the space and I can't print. any ideas?12:47
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Grey_LokiDan4, if you add a backslash to the space, it should work12:53
Grey_Lokido\ it\ like\ this12:53
Grey_LokiAt least, that's what bash does for folder names with spaces.12:53
Dan4nope, removes it anyway12:54
Dan4I enter smb:/// 832c, but when I press apply it is changed to smb:///
Dan4it is fine when I share to an XP computer, but not with the 98 this printer is attached to12:55
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odathi everyone12:57
odatxubuntu friggin rocks12:57
odatanyone here able to make a patch for a module?12:57
bur[n] er_odat: doubt it12:58
ricithat's got to be the best how-long-is-a-piece-of-string questions i've seen all week. :)12:58
odati already have the necessary file12:59
ricithe easiest way Is:   diff -urN module new_module    :)12:59
odatjust not sure how to do it12:59
riciif it's just a file, leave out the rN part12:59
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bur[n] er_odat: oh, you patched it and just want the diff?  i misunderstood, listen to rici01:00
Dan4any other ideas on putting a space in a printer URL?01:01
odatit looks like it might be a kernel patch01:01
odatis for the vicam module01:01
Grey_LokiDan4, you can't just rename the printer to deskjet832c ?01:02
Grey_LokiWith no space01:02
Dan4not without fixing settings on >4 other computers01:03
Dan4I have a large network01:03
Grey_LokiThat's not really large01:03
Dan414 in the network01:03
Grey_LokiLarge is >30 comps, IMO :P01:03
riciodat: that's not a patch, that's a whole file01:03
Grey_LokiDan4, these other four computers, they're windows-based, i'm guessing?01:04
Dan4yes, of various ages01:04
Grey_LokiIn which case, it would only be about 30 seconds to change the settings around01:04
Dan4some are quite old, and I have to check them all to find which have that printer01:05
Dan4I didn't write it down01:05
odatrici, i'm not sure how to use it01:05
Grey_LokiBut no, if the backslash thing didn't work, i can't think of anything else.01:05
Dan4why isn't there a way to make a space anyway?01:05
riciodat: me neither01:05
odati think you have to recompile your kernel with that file01:06
riciis that module not in the xubuntu kernel?01:06
odatthe vicam module is in the xubuntu kernel but it doesn't support automatic gain control01:06
odatthat is what that file is for01:06
Dan4oh also I have 3 other printers with spaces in their name, and one is on all 14 computers01:07
Dan4just easier to get this one computer to work than adjust the others for it01:07
riciodat: you should be able to just compile the module, but you'll need the kernel sources01:09
Grey_LokiDan4, in that case, just idle here. Someone will chip in when they have an answer01:10
ricithen you can put it in your modules.conf file, and it will get loaded.01:10
ricii suspect you'll end up apt-get'ting quite a lot of stuff to set up to do all that :)01:10
ricithere's probably a section in the xubuntu docs about "building a custom kernel" and/or "building kernel modules"01:10
ricitry searching for things like that.01:10
Arkh or just search it in how to forge01:11
ricilike anything, it's only hard the first time :)01:11
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Dan4ok I can wait, the reason for this name problem is I always name the printers by maker, a space, then the model01:13
Grey_LokiSince I started looking into linux, i've always named stuff totally lower-case, with no spaces.01:14
Grey_LokiJust makes things easier01:14
Dan4I am used to doing it for readability01:14
Dan4because windows doesn't complain01:14
Dan4but that is the thing about learning a new OS01:15
riciDan4: i take it all your printers are different? :)01:15
riciwhen i used to be a network admin, i named them by where they were01:16
ricithat was easier for most network users to deal with.01:16
Dan4yeah, all different01:16
ricibut then they were almost all the same model. standardization is good.01:16
Dan43 brands, 2 types01:16
Dan4well only 2 of the computers are the same01:17
Dan4and the printers are 2 epson impacts, HP inkjet, HP officejet, and a lexmark,01:18
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Dan4so anyone have any idea, seems kindof a silly problem01:32
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Dan4wow the ubuntu channel is loaded01:40
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JKnife=\ this channel has a lot more people in it since i was last here01:42
Dan4that one has >100001:42
maxamillionJKnife: yup ... we've grown a little in the last 8 months01:43
riciDan4: did you try %20?01:46
riciviz. correct url format :)01:47
Dan4yea, won't print, maybe it thinks that 830 is part of it01:49
ricipart of the % escape?01:50
ricithat would be unusual.01:50
Dan4it looks like this: smb:///
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riciyeah, that *should* be ok01:52
ricibut no guarantees01:52
riciit's possible that the %20 is being changed to a space and then the result is not being quoted in some shell script01:53
rici% is always followed by exactly two hexits in a url. it won't include the 83 unless it's well and truly borked.01:54
Dan4it is a pretty fresh install01:54
ricii don't even have smb here, never mind smb printers, so i can't really help you much.01:54
Dan4do you think the fact that this printer is on windows 989SE have an effect?01:55
riciit could. i had a bitch of a time getting that to work with mac os x for printer sharing, until i hooked the printer up to the mac01:56
ricithat was a while ago01:56
ricican you see ordinary network shares on that machine?01:57
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Dan4I don't know where to do that in xubuntu01:57
camer0ff.. i got into irc fast today :S01:57
maxamillioncamer0ff: is that bad?01:58
Dan4I can ping my 98 from my xubuntu fine01:58
riciping doesn't need to negotiate with windows netwonting01:59
Dan4hmm, where can I check then?01:59
camer0ffmaxamillion, no not at all.. took 3 seconds to log in to the server (austnet and freenode) and join channels :S was very impressed01:59
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maxamillioncamer0ff: :)02:00
maxamilliongotta run, getting off work ... laters!02:00
camer0ffwindows networking :D fun fun02:00
riciDan4: no idea, sorry. like i say, i'm now happily windows free, so i haven't even tried setting up samba02:00
ricibut someone should know02:00
Dan4this machine is the only one with issues with it02:00
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT02:00
camer0ffwhat is the question?02:00
ricitry those02:00
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camer0ffwhat is the problem Dan4 ?02:01
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Dan4can't put a space in a printer URL02:02
camer0ffcan you use %20 as the space?02:02
camer0ffworks in HTML02:02
Dan4apperently not02:02
camer0ffif not... get rid of the space02:02
Dan4doesn't print02:03
camer0ffrename the printer something else02:03
camer0ffwhat is the path to the printer?02:03
Dan4too many computers02:03
Dan4192.165.2.5/deskjet 832c02:03
camer0ffew :(02:04
camer0ffyou should save yourself some cash buy buying a new printer.. laser.. with an ethernet port02:05
camer0ffthen again.. if you need colour02:05
Dan4it works very well, no reason to buy a new one02:05
Dan4but then again one of my printers is 2102:06
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camer0ffthey work well.. but dont ever try to get them fixed :P02:07
Dan4the cartrages are cheap for impact printers, $502:08
camer0fffair enough :)02:08
camer0ffdo you only do b/w printing?02:08
Dan4no, that is why I need this deskjet going02:09
camer0ffgotcha :)02:09
Dan4we also have a lexmark, but it has a space in the URL, and the cartrages are expensive02:09
Dan4all but 1 have spaces02:10
Dan4never even thought it would ever be a problem when I did it02:10
camer0ffwhat os are you using?02:11
Dan4windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, NT, XUbuntu, mac OS 8.602:12
camer0ffxubuntu 7.04?02:12
Dan4hmm, let me check02:12
Dan4it is a recent one but I don't know where to check02:13
camer0ffmmm... the most recent (still in beta stages) is feisty02:13
camer0ffits 7.0402:14
camer0ffbellow that is edgy 6.10 i think02:14
Dan4I think it is edgy02:14
camer0ffi am not sure if this will help... but02:15
Dan4it is already set up, I can print to one of my printers now02:17
camer0ffit is strange02:18
camer0ffi havent been able to find much information :(02:18
Dan4I know, I tried looking before I came here02:18
Dan4such a silly problem isn't it02:19
camer0ffmaybe ' 832c' or " 832c"02:19
camer0ffor even...02:19
camer0ff192.165.2.5/deskjet\ 832c02:19
camer0fftrying to remember how the slashes go02:20
Dan4that last one doesn't work02:20
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Dan4counts the space anyway02:20
camer0ffah :(02:20
Dan4with quotes it cuts it off too02:21
camer0ffdammit :(02:21
Dan4lemmy try installing one of my other printers with spaces02:21
camer0ffhave you asked in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-au?02:22
Dan4too crowded to get a response02:22
Dan4tried 3 times, post was off top of screen in a few seconds02:22
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Dan4how can I clear jobs that hasn't printed?02:25
camer0ffi was given this address by pelo since he couldn't help02:26
camer0ffi think you might have to google that one as well Dan402:27
camer0ffDan4, get into #ubuntu-au :)02:29
camer0ff  bob%20bob02:30
Dan4ok I'll take a look thanks02:30
camer0ff  bob\ bob02:30
camer0fftwo answers i got02:30
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Dan4hmm, seems my printer with no spaces on my other windows 98 doesn't work either02:31
stephaneI can't install zinf corectly02:31
stephaneis anybody install zinf ?02:32
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camer0ffapparently it might be easier to just change the names of all the printers with spaces and then reset up the network :P02:34
camer0ffDan4, was given this address too: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting02:34
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odathi everyone02:58
odatanyone able to compile a module?02:58
Dan4well I'll look around, thanks for the help02:58
camer0ffno worries :) good luck02:59
odatanyone able to compile a module?03:01
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odatanyone here?03:06
kalikiana_odat, What is "a module"?03:13
odatkalikiana_, vicam module03:14
kalikiana_I'm afraid I don't use any webcam.03:17
kalikiana_You might ask in #ubuntu for help if nobody in here answers.03:18
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limbert65Upgrading from Xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 seems to have broken Sound Juicer and Rhythmbox.  Sound Juicer locks up, and Rhythmbox crashes.  Might have something to do with having used EasyUbuntu to install mp3 codecs before the upgrade?  Any suggestions for a fix?03:50
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gunny01 can anyone point me to a tutorial on how to dual boot OSX and ubuntu on a macbook?03:58
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limbert65gunny01:  Could you use Parallels to do that?04:03
limbert65or maybe this:  http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO04:05
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LM1does anyone know if xubuntu (feisty) will have xfce 4.4.104:34
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LM1does anyone know if feisty xubuntu will have xfce 4.4.104:57
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punsadI just installed xubuntu 'alternate' install.. how is this different from regular ubuntu (other than xfce vs gnome?)....06:43
punsadI guess my main question... is if I'm happy with xubuntu's speed on my laptop... will ubuntu with xfce be just as fast?06:44
punsadanyone there?06:45
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tonyyarussopunsad: that's the same thing...06:49
tonyyarussoIt's just a matter of graphical environment06:50
punsadon a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being 'bet my life on it' ... how certain are you that it's the same?  even if I chose the 'alternate' cd for xubuntu?06:51
tonyyarussoThe core packages come from the same place, etc. - you can even install hundreds of graphical environments on the same machine, or none at all, from any CD you want06:52
tonyyarussoThe CD simply dictates which things are available without an internet connection.06:52
punsadwhat's the reasoning behind multiverse, universe, (noname) categories for the packages?06:52
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tonyyarussomain - meets free software guidelines and is supported by Canonical06:54
tonyyarussorestricted - does not meet free software guidelines, but is supported by Canonical06:54
tonyyarussouniverse - meets free software guidelines but is community supported only06:54
tonyyarussomultiverse - is neither free nor supported06:54
punsadthanks so much tonyyarusso!06:55
punsadI was an ubuntu snob (been using plain old debian since 1999)... but I really think I'm warming up to ubuntu.06:56
punsador would that be debian snob... whatever..06:57
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tonyyarussouniverse is similar to contrib, multi to contrib-nonfree, iirc06:58
punsadthat's exactly the way I interpretted06:59
punsadI'll probably continue to try to use apt-get install  (I never even got used to aptitude)06:59
punsadthanks again07:00
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atarinoxi was wondering if somebody could help me...it seems like my xubuntu install has been slowing down a lot lately...is there anything in particular i should be looking for? i havent done much as far as maintaining after installing hte OS, so maybe there's something i've neglected to do?07:17
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LoneShadowI upgraded from dapper to edgy08:25
LoneShadownow all my windows open at top left corner, and I cant move them around08:25
LoneShadowis there a way to find out if my X is upgraded to edgy ?08:25
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ben123iswhat's the difference between Applications->other->add/remove  and Synaptic?09:06
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ricisynaptic can do more stuff09:07
ricibut they're working from the same data in the same way09:07
ben123isi see09:08
ben123isi'm new to xubunru. used fluxbuntu till now09:08
ben123isxubuntu is much nicer :)09:10
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kumamotoben123is: how good is fluxbuntu?09:15
ben123iskumamoto: it's pretty good. it's fast: requires slower hardware than xubuntu to run. I'ts not official ubuntu version yet, so it's not optimized as all ubuntu version, meaning that if you have more work with file editing than in other versions of ubuntu09:18
ben123ismeaning: less graphical shortcuts, more file editing09:18
ben123iskumamoto: you can download their live cd and try it without installing :)09:19
ben123isbut, if your hardware is strong enough for xubuntu, i think you should stick to it09:20
ben123isi have a feeling that xubuntu manages the hardware better the fluxbuntu: my firefox works faster. can anyone confirm that?09:25
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LoneShadowanyone know how I can role back to dapper from edgy ?09:28
ben123iswhy would you like to do that?09:30
LoneShadowmy X got messed up with the upgrade :(09:31
LoneShadowany window/xterm I open gets stuck at top left corner, dont have the bar with minimize or close buttons09:32
LoneShadowso everything gets stacked at the left corner, and I cant move things around09:32
TheSheepLoneShadow: you don't have xfwm4 running for some reason09:33
TheSheepLoneShadow: are you sure theu pgrade finished?09:33
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ben123isLoneShadow: i know that problem. had the same thing when upgraded from dapper. i just did a new clean install. do the same09:34
LoneShadowwhat do you mean clean install ?09:35
LoneShadowactually it did fail the first round, complained about ircd-hybrid not getting upgraded properly09:35
LoneShadowso I removed the package09:35
LoneShadowand re-ran the upgrade process, and this time it completed09:35
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TheSheepLoneShadow: what does 'apt-cache policy xfwm4' say?09:37
ben123isLoneShadow: i mean install from an edgy cd, and format your hard drive before installation09:37
TheSheepben123is: that's the windows way09:37
LoneShadowugh, I wanted to upgrade, not do a clean install :D09:37
ben123isLoneShadow: do that only if you can't fix the problem then :)09:37
LoneShadow  Installed:
LoneShadow  Candidate:
LoneShadowbasically my windows are missing the resize frame09:38
TheSheepLoneShadow: can you try and run xfwm4 from a terminal?09:39
TheSheep(that's the program responsible for drawing the window frames)09:39
LoneShadowrunning xfwm4 fixed it :D09:41
LoneShadowso what is wrong with my config ?09:42
LoneShadowso I need to run xfwm4 from .xinitrc or something ?09:43
TheSheepLoneShadow: for some reason your xfce4-session didn't start xfwm409:43
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TheSheepLoneShadow: you might try deleting the files in ~/.cache/sessions09:43
ZxynaxI've got a problem mounting a DVD-ROM drive09:43
darrendLoneShadow: I had problems with that version of xfwm4 crashing quite frequently for no apparent reason09:44
TheSheepLoneShadow: and if that doesn't help, inspecting /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc09:44
darrendmy current version, from feisty, is very stable09:44
LoneShadowthe ~/.cache/sessions is empty09:44
darrendas is xfdesktop which I also  no longer have issues with09:44
TheSheepdarrend: fortunatelly Feisty should be out this month :)09:44
darrendindeed.  Been using it for about 4 weeks already.09:45
ZxynaxI've got a problem mounting a DVD-ROM drive, can anybody lend some assistance09:45
TheSheepZxynax: I guess you would have to be al ittle more specific09:45
Zxynaxgive me a second may have found the issue....09:46
Zxynaxbut stay on the line :)09:46
TheSheepbest say what you're doing exactly, what error messages you get (if any), whether other dvd's work, etc.09:46
LoneShadowdarrend: yea I want to upgrade feisty, but the first step was to upgrade from dapper to edgy09:47
Zxynaxdrive works in vista ( only dual-booting for game support )09:47
TheSheepLoneShadow: maybe upgrade to feisty will fix that :)09:47
darrendLoneShadow: once you have xfwm4 running, logout and save your session.  That's probably the quickest way to get it running again as normal.  When you run it from a  terminal, make sure you background it too ("xfwm4 &")09:47
Zxynaxand i've received dvd-rom hdc: request sense failure: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } that error09:47
LoneShadowbrb, gotta run back to my TV, its my mythtv box09:48
TheSheepZxynax: sounds like a scratched disc09:48
Zxynaxno disc was working09:48
TheSheepZxynax: but might be a problem with support for this model as well09:48
Zxynaxseems to be working great now09:48
TheSheepZxynax: maybe a speck of dust then :)09:49
Zxynaxdoubtful, error has been plaguing me all day09:49
ZxynaxI changed...hold on let me get specifics09:49
TheSheepZxynax: did you change anything that it started working?09:49
Zxynaxsome package changes09:50
LoneShadowdarrend: that did the trick :)09:50
darrendcool. :)09:50
LoneShadowthanks TheSheep anddarrend09:51
TheSheep.oO( xfwm4 should be started automatically if there is no saved session anyways... )09:51
Zxynaxeither a kernel change did it, or a recompile of the fs utilities09:51
LoneShadowwhat kernel versions are you guys running ?09:51
LoneShadowis it 2.6.17-11-generic ?09:51
TheSheepsheep@ghostwheel:~$ uname -a09:51
TheSheepLinux ghostwheel 2.6.20-14-generic #2 SMP09:51
darrenddarren@hepburn ~ $ uname -a09:51
darrendLinux hepburn 2.6.20-12-generic #2 SMP Wed Mar 21 20:55:46 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux09:51
LoneShadowis 2.6.20.x part of feisty ?09:52
TheSheepLoneShadow: yes09:52
LoneShadowhow stable is feisty ?09:52
LoneShadowon xubuntu ?09:52
darrendstable in what way?  There are still lots of package updates (another 200MB last night when I updated this box)09:53
darrendstable in terms of reliability?   Very, so far09:53
TheSheepLoneShadow: it was stablier than edgy right from the start, then there were some trouble a month ago, but it only lasted several days until the bugfisx, now we have the first release candidate and it's stable as rock09:53
LoneShadowanyway my mythtv and asterisk needs to recompiled, might as well upgrade to feisty :D09:54
LoneShadowto be*09:54
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darrendLoneShadow: you use asterisk for home or work?09:55
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darrendhow do you find it?  I've been thinking of building an asterisk box09:55
darrendWhy is xfce 4.4.1 not on feisty by the way, anyone know?09:55
LoneShadowdarrend: its a real nice piece of software, I havnt been using it that much lately, need to get things up and running09:55
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LoneShadowdarrend: asterisk dosnt need much resources, if you have a dedicated pc running 24hours, you can install on it09:56
LoneShadowI used to run asterisk on my linksys router before with openwrt firmware :)09:56
LoneShadowbut it was not powerful enough to do some transcoding, so moved it to my mythtv box09:57
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darrendI wanted to use it as a voice mail station so that I could access .wav (or encoded) voicemails from my email or web.  Is that fairly simple to set up?09:57
LoneShadowinstall asterisk and freepbx09:58
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LoneShadowtakes some time to understand the voip config lingo, if you hang out in #freepbx people can help you out09:59
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darrendwhat kind of card do you need for a standard line (though I guess that will be country/region specific)10:00
LoneShadowI have to restructure my partitions, my root partition is almost full :(10:00
LoneShadowdoes feisty require more space compared to dapper/edgy ?10:00
TheSheepLoneShadow: probably a little bit -- but try 'apt-get clean' first10:01
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LoneShadowif you are trying to connect your asterisk box to your land line, get a sipura (spa3k) costs around US $8010:01
TheSheepLoneShadow: it will delete all the packages you downloaded in order to do the upgrade10:01
LoneShadowwow, 93% to 63% :)10:02
LoneShadowoops 69%10:02
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LoneShadowdo you have a regular land line or a voip provider for phone connection ?10:03
darrendregular land lines10:03
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darrendbut I don't know if regular in the UK is the same as regular in the US (if that's where you are)10:04
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LoneShadowso all you want is a way to access your voicemail thru email/http ?10:04
darrendmostly, yeah.  I want a menuing system ("Press 1 for dilbert, 2 for alice") and then to mail dilbert or alice to say "Message waiting.." kind of thing10:06
LoneShadowyou should just buy the sipura device10:06
LoneShadowSPA3102 or something10:07
LoneShadowso whats the best way to upgrade from edgy to feisty ?10:09
Grey_Lokisudo upgrade-manager -c -d, I think.10:09
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)10:09
Grey_LokiTake a look in #ubuntu+1, see what they say.10:09
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morgsIs there a shipit for xubuntu? http://shipit.xubuntu.com/ seems to be misconfigured or broken10:36
highvoltagemorgs: no, xubuntu won't be shipped via shipit10:37
morgsNot even to LoCoTeams? Darn. That's the one thing everybody asks about...10:37
highvoltagethat should probably just be configured to point to the Xubuntu download page explaining that it's not available for shipit.10:38
highvoltageno, not even for loco teams :'(10:38
highvoltageI agree with you, xubuntu is certainly in high demand.10:38
Grey_LokiIs that a service for sending a linux CD out to you if you can't dl it?10:38
Grey_LokiWhy not just order the Ubuntu CD, then apt-get xubuntu-desktop?10:38
highvoltageGrey_Loki: we live in a bandwidth-restricted country10:39
highvoltageGrey_Loki: most users pay US$50+ just for basic dialup and the phone bill that comes along with it, and we pay per minute10:39
morgswith lots of older PCs...10:39
highvoltageGrey_Loki: adsl users here typically only get 2-3GB bandwidth a month10:40
morgsand our DSL's one of the most expensive in the world...10:40
Merchelo40 euro (~35 dollars) for uncapped 2.5gb/s down, 1/5gb/s up fibre in parts of france10:42
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nonudawhat is the most light x desktop?10:43
Grey_Lokihighvoltage, dude, where are you - communist china!?10:44
nonudahighvoltage: for my country internet connection is very expensive too10:45
highvoltageGrey_Loki: in terms of telecoms... worse... South Africa.10:46
highvoltagebandwidth is more expensive here than any country in the world, we have an evil telecoms monopoly10:46
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highvoltagean this is how much money our telecom monopoly makes: http://www.hellkom.co.za/pages/info.php10:47
highvoltage(devide by 7 for US$)10:47
Naughtyboymornin ladies...10:47
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Grey_Lokihighvoltage, so just under 1 billion made this year?10:55
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ben123isi have creative sound blaster 16, but xubuntu doesn't recognize it. please help10:57
highvoltageGrey_Loki: probably doesn't sound like much if you're in brittain, but the average phone bill here is a large percentage of the average salary, compared to the UK10:58
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Grey_Lokihighvoltage, yeah, i'm British - our telecoms industry is a multibillion-pound profit margin11:01
ben123isanyone please?11:13
ben123is sudo modprobe sb, sudo modprobe snd-sbawe, sudo modprobe snd-sb16 seem not to work11:15
highvoltageben123is: is it an ISA card? I have a suspicion that Ubuntu doesn't support ISA cards anymore.11:18
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ben123iswhat's ISA? it connect to PCI11:21
highvoltagehmmm... I think it should work then. is it listed in lshw or lspci?11:22
ben123isoh wait let me check11:22
ben123ishighvoltage: you're right it connects not to PCI but to another (the biggest) slot11:23
ben123isis that ISA11:23
highvoltageyes, that's an ISA slot11:24
highvoltagethe big (usually) black slot with the big pins11:24
ben123isso there's nothing to do?11:24
highvoltagedoes the board have a PCI slot? there's usually PCI cards lying everywhere :)11:25
ben123isthe board does have pci slots but i don't have a pci card at hand11:28
ben123isoh well. i'll look for one11:30
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Rich_li_nyPower management:   System does not shut down properly.  Monitor goes blank but in a very dark room I can very faintly see Xbuntu bar unloading in monitor.  Also when exiting to a command prompt I get this: " [17179569.184000]   ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP  "  System worked properly with xp and puppy.  What do I have to change to correct this problem?12:00
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derjenshi there12:01
derjensi am looking for a distro i can install on a friend's computer but she is not familiar with linux nor with english language. is there a german translation in xubuntu?12:02
derjensi am not interested in german install instruction -- just the desktop and the apps12:02
Grey_LokiJust select the language when you boot, IIRC.12:02
derjenssounds really easy:)12:03
Grey_LokiYeah, it is12:03
Grey_LokiLet me have a check for sure befor eyou go12:03
derjensdo you think that a linux novice will be able to handle xubuntu? all she wants to do is to load photos from her digital camera und write some letters maybe12:03
derjensGrey_Loki, thanks a lot12:04
Rich_li_nyDerjens:  absolutely...12:04
Grey_Lokiderjens, it's by far the easiest distro i've ever used12:04
Grey_LokiSit next to her for an hour and teach her the basics, then she'll be away, just like that.12:04
derjensokay, i've already downloaded the cd image -- when i've got a cd burner again i will burn it and give xubuntu a try12:04
Rich_li_nyIt will probably be easier for her then windoze.12:05
derjensonce she's understood the basics it's easier for her, of course. it's just that some distros are a bit complicated for newbies12:05
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:06
Grey_LokiI can't seem to find the setting. I remember selecting a language somewhere - it was most probably -during- the Xubuntu setup.12:06
derjenswell, if you say there should be a translation i will try to find it. i just wanted to ask whether you say that there are no translations at all or so12:07
derjensthank you so far!12:08
grumpymoleApplications --> System --> Lanugage Support12:09
derjensi guess i will come back when i have some questions about installing or using xubuntu but i am optimistic that it's easy...12:09
derjensgrumpymole, thanks. is German in the list?12:09
grumpymoleyip, and lots more12:10
derjensthis was really useful!12:10
Grey_LokiHeh - I was looking in 'Settings'12:10
derjenshave a nice day, guys12:10
graziederjens: if the install machine has less than 192mb of ram you need the alternate cd for installation12:10
derjensand thanks a lot for your help12:10
derjensgrazie, yes, i've already read about this12:11
grumpymoleGrey_Loki: The only logic I can of for that is that Language is a system-wide setting, while the other settings are more on a per-application basis.12:13
grumpymoleI looked there first as well.12:13
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akhonda97does anyone know.. how (and if) xubuntu is supported for PPC platform?12:18
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grazieakhonda97: ppc is still available but formal support stopped with dapper (6.06)12:25
akhonda97... some reason i thought it was later builds it was stopped *sigh*12:25
akhonda97ty though12:26
grazieakhonda97: it is unfortunate, but edgy and feisty are still available for ppc12:26
akhonda97yea i know. but it's a pain in the rear getting airport to work, the trackpad to full speed, etc etc.12:27
akhonda97i just put xubuntu on an 10yr old dell tower i had sitting around.. i've tried ubuntu on my ibook before12:27
akhonda97(need to fix widescreen res issue though.. grrrrr)12:27
delcoyotehi all , have a question, i installed ubuntu 5.10 server install and added xfce4, this is not xubuntu, true? and if i had installed xubuntu-desktop instead? wold it be xubuntu?12:28
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Slickhey guys, I've just started using xubuntu.  I've noticed that open office doesn't look very good under xfce, I did a google and someone suggested that you should install openoffice-gtk, does anyone know how to do that?01:43
Grey_LokiI'd imagine sudo apt-get install openoffice-gtk01:45
Slickcheers, I'll give it a try01:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about openoffice-gtk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:45
ubotua free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org01:46
Slickna it couldn't find the package information for that01:50
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Merchelodid you try the universal binaires02:10
stupidnoob420ok, hi, i am not new to linux, having used a few other distros years ago, (mandrake slack redhat etc) but it's been so long, and I've forgotten near everything, but i just installed xubuntu, was tired of windows again, and wanted something lightweight and fast, with good security, and this looked like the best option. so, i am having two problems. the first, my second hdd wont mount correctly and give my super user account rw permis02:11
stupidnoob420oh and i looked and looked for the asoundrc file to delete, but it is nowhere at all, and i got the kat file search package, and just cant get it to search right or something, so yeah, i cant find that to delete it02:14
stupidnoob420but i did reinstall sound packages02:14
stupidnoob420and also did the drivers myself, choosing from the list, and then changing the file to read it at boot02:14
stupidnoob420still nothing02:14
stupidnoob420wow this room is so dead02:15
graziestupidnoob420: hang on02:16
grazielets me read through tyour problems02:16
stupidnoob420i wasnt even sure anyone was in here, thanks man02:16
stupidnoob420lol @ 77 idle users02:17
grazie1st ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account02:17
stupidnoob420i know that02:17
stupidnoob420used sude02:17
stupidnoob420oh, and i am on dapper02:17
grazie' sudo su' is effectively root02:18
stupidnoob420i know02:18
stupidnoob420for the hdd02:18
stupidnoob420i cannot read it as my user account02:18
stupidnoob420only after i enabled root and logged in there was i allowed access02:19
stupidnoob420and even then i cant change it from there02:19
graziehow are you mounting?02:19
stupidnoob420with the disks utility in system02:19
stupidnoob420and i got a write up from a related forum, to do it manually and all02:20
stupidnoob420but hdd isnt my main concern02:20
stupidnoob420i have my data from it02:20
stupidnoob420with some shuffling and such as root user02:20
stupidnoob420i just want some sound02:20
stupidnoob420access to the drive is not a priority at this time02:20
graziehas sount worked at all yet>?02:20
stupidnoob420right at initial install02:21
stupidnoob420then i got automatix02:21
stupidnoob420and firefox02:21
stupidnoob420some other packages02:21
stupidnoob420from synaptic02:21
stupidnoob420educational and science stuff mainly02:21
stupidnoob420and now nothing works02:21
grazieyou did an update and lost sound?02:21
stupidnoob420pretty much02:21
stupidnoob420i think it was after apt-get update02:21
stupidnoob420so ghey02:22
graziesorting sound problems on irc isn't easy02:22
stupidnoob420its been so long since ive used linux02:22
stupidnoob420i was bored02:22
stupidnoob420and had a few extra hours02:22
stupidnoob420so i figured id check02:22
stupidnoob420if you cant thats fine man02:23
grazieI'll look up some good links. assume you've checked the mixer?02:23
stupidnoob420oh yeah02:23
stupidnoob420of course02:23
stupidnoob420like a million times02:23
stupidnoob420in terminal and the gui02:23
Grey_LokiFor your second problem, i'd find it by running sudo slocate -u, then slocate <file>.02:23
stupidnoob420the hdd?02:24
Grey_LokiNo, trying to find asoundrc.02:24
stupidnoob420cool, thanks02:24
graziestupidnoob420: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems02:24
stupidnoob420ill do that02:24
Grey_LokiI've never managed to not find anything with slocate.02:25
graziestupidnoob420: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting02:25
stupidnoob420oh, ive never seen that link02:25
stupidnoob420ive never seen that link02:26
stupidnoob420im gonna find this file then go through that02:26
stupidnoob420and if i cant get it, i can send them the outputs, and they will help?02:26
graziestupidnoob420: send who?02:27
stupidnoob420to their bug reports02:27
grazieif you think there's a bug yes02:27
graziebest chat online with any queries you have02:28
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grazieif noone can help when you ask, crimsun is know lots about sound02:29
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sn0hey peeps, got a xfce session with rhythmbox running, the popup player dialog theme is a different colour than rhythmbox, where to troubleshoot this ?02:39
sn0im uploading a pic if that makes it easier to understand02:41
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stevethepiratehi. Would adding xfce to a kubuntu system be a bad idea?03:08
hyper_chstevethepirate: no, why should it?03:08
stevethepiratejust wanna know if it could cause any problems03:09
stevethepiratewould "sudo apt-get xfce" work?03:09
stevethepirateOr is it more complicated03:09
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stevethepirate* [forgot install] 03:09
stevethepiratehyper_ch: ?03:10
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hyper_chstevethepirate: better to use sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop03:26
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hyper_chwow, the ops in #php get so easily pissed off03:38
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Merchelomaybe it's because they have to work with php all day03:39
hyper_chMerchelo: just got banned again03:39
hyper_chMerchelo: asked if someone has a php/mysql/ajax tree script to recommend03:40
hyper_chMerchelo: the op said I should use search engine and my brain03:40
hyper_chMerchelo: I did that all monring without finding anything03:40
hyper_chMerchelo: I asked him why he thinks I haven't done so03:40
hyper_chMerchelo: he says because I'm asking this03:40
hyper_chMerchelo: he just said it's kind of bullshit03:40
Mercheloheh, jaysis, sounds like someone's "that time of the month"03:41
hyper_chMerchelo: and I critized him for replaying in such a manner and told him maybe he should usehis brain also before giving such comments03:41
hyper_chanyone here knows a good php/mysql/ajax Tree script?03:42
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albertuse a search engine!03:51
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amsmith42hsgxine flakey?04:53
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grazieamsmith42hs: not that I'm aware of, but I very rarely use it.05:08
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amsmith42hsIt keeps crashing on me when I try to play from the built in playlist. "Message from Xine Engine" but the window is blank. I have to kill it.05:10
amsmith42hsNo big deal.05:10
grazieamsmith42hs: have you tried launching from a terminal to see any other error messages?05:12
grazieany message would be helpful in tracking the problem down05:13
amsmith42hsUnable to resolve.05:13
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amsmith42hsNo crashing from there.05:13
grazieamsmith42hs: maybe you've got some duff or out of date parameters in the gui menu?05:14
amsmith42hsOh, wait...gtk-critical05:14
amsmith42hs gtk_style_detach: assertion `style->attach_count > 0' failed05:15
amsmith42hsNow it crashed.05:16
amsmith42hsIt really doesn't like not finding the URL or plugin05:17
amsmith42hsAnyway, I've got other things to do. I was just curious.05:17
grazieamsmith42hs: doesn't ring any bells....worth searching with the output you get. Is your system up to date?05:17
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drewzfso Xubuntu did release a feisty beta05:18
drewzfnew artwork?05:18
graziedrewzf: absolutely :) 'tis good too!05:19
amsmith42hsgrazie: Just installed Xubuntu 6.1005:19
amsmith42hsgrazie: Installed all the codecs I found in add/remove05:20
graziedrewzf: the release candidate may be out today...haven't check myself05:20
drewzfI think I'm gonna do xubuntu-desktop, screw gnome. xfce is so fast.05:21
drewzfThe last time I tried it was breezy and it was pretty ugly :\05:21
grazieamsmith42hs: to be honest i don't know what your problme is. You could search with google and in launchpad and try using another media player05:21
amsmith42hsgrazie: Thanks. I will probably do that later when I'm bored :P05:22
grazieamsmith42hs: file a bug report if you find nothing that helps05:22
drewzfoh no not bubbles :P05:22
drewzfXubuntu does look secksy05:23
drewzfI like some of the themes proposed better than the ones implemented05:24
drewzfoh yeah, definitely going with Xubuntu when I get home05:24
graziedrewzf: glad to hear that!05:25
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grazieamsmith42hs: just noticed your comment about add/remove codecs. Don't think all available codecs can be installed that way.05:31
grazie!codeds | amsmith42hs05:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about codeds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:31
grazie!codecs | amsmith42hs05:31
ubotuamsmith42hs: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats05:31
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Maximilian1stHi folks, I am trying to install some alpha wireless app that is looking for linux/wireless.h and complains about it being not available, does anybody have a clue what it is looking for?06:28
Maximilian1stBy the way, I'm trying to install this wireless manager http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig06:29
Maximilian1stIt's work in progress but looks promising for the Xfce DE.06:29
PumpernickelYou'll need the kernel headers for that.06:30
Maximilian1stThank you Pumpernickel. I installed madwifi from svn, that is probably why it can't find the sources or headers.06:31
rraajjIs XFCe 4.4.1 in the Edgy repos? Or is there a separate XFCE repo for Xubuntu (just like what Kubuntu has for it's KDE updates)?06:33
Maximilian1st4.4.1 hasn't reached feisty so I doubt it to be in edgy for the moment.06:35
rraajjOkay... So 4.3.9 is the latest XFCE release in the repos as of now?06:36
rraajj... Which looks like it.06:36
rraajjEither that, or my package manager has gone wild. :P06:36
Maximilian1stFeisty comes out in a small two weeks or less, not sure, and has 4.4.006:37
Maximilian1stsay, 4.3.9 with somes bugfixes.06:37
rraajjOh, okay. Thanks, Maximilian1st. :)06:37
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WaxyFreshwhat the package called that controls window transparancy?06:51
Pumpernickel`transset`, but if you're using the Xfce compossitor, you can use alt+mousewheel on the window borders.06:54
WaxyFreshi dont have a nouse wheel06:55
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Maximilian1stwithout the compositor it hides and unhides the window.06:56
Maximilian1stalso without alt it does it ;-706:57
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WaxyFreshive got transset installed but all it does isturn my curser nto a plus sign,how do i use it?06:59
ArkhWaxyFresh, click!07:00
grazieWaxyFresh: to set up compositor on edgy (& dapper) >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html07:03
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WaxyFreshok i followed the guide to set up composting but my xserver crashed07:32
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ubotuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!07:33
slow-motionhi WaxyFresh, ubotu07:34
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ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots07:36
WaxyFreshhes just a bot but do you have a question?07:36
ubotuxubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels07:36
WaxyFreshwhat does xfce stand for? xforce?07:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about transet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about transset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:37
TheSheep!botabuse | WaxyFresh07:37
ubotuWaxyFresh: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...07:37
grazieWaxyFresh: did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?07:37
hyper_chhuhu TheSheep07:41
malcolmbguys, I'm loving xubuntu07:41
=== kalikiana_ loves xubuntu, too :D
hyper_chI love my gf07:42
=== kalikiana_ loves his gf even more :D
kalikiana_Well, there are differences in the meaning of "love" ;)07:42
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ubotuLove is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.07:53
WaxyFreshgrazie, ill pastebin it07:54
grazieWaxyFresh: ok07:54
WaxyFreshgrazie, i just looked at the howto againand its for  dapper/edgy07:54
WaxyFreshis there one for fiesty?07:54
graziefiesty has compositor set up already07:55
WaxyFreshim on fiesty07:55
WaxyFreshand transset dosent do anything to my windows when i click07:56
WaxyFreshopacity 0xc000000007:56
WaxyFreshSet Property to 0.7507:56
WaxyFreshthats the output of clicking on xchat07:56
WaxyFreshwould that be all i would have to do?07:57
grazieWaxyFresh: Just turn it on with Applications > Settings > Windows Manager Tweaks07:57
h3sp4wnWaxyFresh: Its amusing the debian name for firefox came from that old bsd fortune (!love)07:59
WaxyFresh(!love) is  a matt groeing quote07:59
WaxyFreshcool thanks i got it08:00
h3sp4wnWaxyFresh: who is matt groeing ?08:01
WaxyFreshcreator of the simpsons08:01
WaxyFreshits from some comic he wrote a long time ago08:02
h3sp4wnGroening - (I thought it was someone else) its been in bsd's fortunes for ages08:03
WaxyFreshprobly as long as (!grue)08:05
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pagefaultI got the fiesty beta and it keeps accessing my floppy drive08:20
pagefaultany ideas?08:20
pagefaultit won't boot08:20
Arkhdo you have a floppy inserted?08:20
pagefaultno I don't08:21
pagefaultdo you guys use the same installer as ubuntu?08:23
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h3sp4wnI always use the alternative installer08:23
pagefaultI don't think I had that option08:23
h3sp4wnits a seperate iso08:23
pagefaultah hmm08:23
pagefaultI will give that a go08:23
graziepagefault: ubuntu & xubuntu use the same installer08:24
pagefaultit happens on all my P965 boards08:24
pagefaultperhaps a kernel issue08:24
h3sp4wnpagefault: use feisty08:26
pagefaultI am08:26
graziepagefault: does seem odd.... at what stage is floppy access attempted?08:26
pagefaultjust after the logo appears08:26
pagefaultthen it's constant floppy access08:26
pagefaultthen it gives up08:26
Arkhso grub comes out?08:27
h3sp4wnpagefault: (the ubuntu graphical installer is traditionally junk)08:27
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graziepagefault: you tried turning the splash screen off?08:27
grazieto see the messages08:27
pagefaulthow can I do that?08:27
grazienosplash boot option I think...lmme check08:28
Arkhon boot up08:28
Arkhpress e08:28
Arkhthen move with the arrows on the kernel line08:28
Arkhpress e again08:28
Arkhand delete the "quiet splash" part08:28
Arkhpress b08:29
Arkhand you'll get all the errors08:29
pagefaulti'll grab the alt install08:29
pagefaultjust to be sure08:29
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pagefaultis grub vista aware08:30
pagefaultas in it won't make it not bootable?08:30
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pagefaultwell I need both for work08:31
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pagefaultso it's not a choice for me08:31
grazieyeah sure...my sympathy08:32
eevarxubuntu have the same release date as the gnome version?08:32
somerville32pagefault, I would think that it would work just fine. : )08:33
pagefaultif it makes you feel better08:33
pagefaultI didn't pay for it08:33
pagefaultthe office did08:33
Arkhsomeone paid for it anyways :P08:33
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eevarneat. what's involved in upgrading from beta to stable? nothing but apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade?08:36
pagefaultjust change your sources in sources.list08:36
pagefaultthen do an update then dist-upgrade08:36
somerville32eevar: If you are already using the feisty then just do apt-get upgrade - no need to do anything else.08:37
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Slick_hello fellow xubuntu users!08:37
pagefaultah beta to stable08:37
eevarsweet. I'm off to grab the torrent then08:38
somerville32If you're running edgy you don't need to reinstall08:39
somerville32You can upgrade. Do what pagefault said to do.08:39
hyper_chsomerville32: shouldn't it be a dist-upgrade?08:39
somerville32hyper_ch: If he is going from edgy->feisty, yes.08:40
hyper_chsomerville32: and from beta to stable isn't it also a dist-upgrade?08:40
h3sp4wndist-upgrade should be unnecessary on stable (or nearly stable) unless they put stuff in updates08:40
pagefaultdist-upgrade will take care of any conflicts08:41
hyper_chbtw, hiya somerville32 ^^08:41
somerville32Hiya :)08:41
hyper_chI will miss the daily updates once it's stable :(08:42
grazieI did a test edgy > feisty upgrade and ended up using an extra 400/500mb disk space than a clean feisty install. Seems too much  extra to me. Didn't find any bug report with this problem though08:44
somerville32Then upgrade to Gutsy ;] 08:44
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html08:45
somerville32grazie, Maybe it is because upgrading upgrades all your packages?08:45
hyper_chis gutsy the name for the 7.10?08:45
hyper_chcool :)08:45
limbert65Can you be clear for me what you mean by "clean" install?  I'm not always sure I know what that means.08:45
somerville32grazie, A clean install only installs the default packages.08:45
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limbert65So that just means doing a disk-upgrade without having extra repositories enabled (or something like that)?08:46
graziesomerville32: maybe. I couldn't figure out where the extra spaces was being used, but 400/500mb is a lot08:46
limbert65dist-upgrade, I mean08:46
somerville32grazie, Did you do a clean install of Edgy then upgraded to Feisty? Or did you install other packages before you upgraded?08:47
h3sp4wninstall a text only system and just what you want to use08:47
h3sp4wnand compare the amount of junk running to an install with xubuntu-desktop and related garbage08:47
graziesomerville32: yeah I did clean edgy to feisty and compared with clean feisty08:48
somerville32I doubt it is a bug.08:49
somerville32Just running your computer uses up disk space.08:49
somerville32logging, swap, etc. etc.08:49
somerville32And it is also possible that certain packages were dropped from the Feisty default install.08:50
somerville32So I really really doubt it is a bug and 500mb is nothing.08:50
h3sp4wn400-500 mb of deb's in /var/cache/apt/archives probably (unless you cleared those out)08:50
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grazieI didn't report it as could give any explanation/data of any worth, but I'm sure that 400/500mb is too much extra even after cleaning up08:51
h3sp4wnseriously though xubuntu-desktop adds a huge amount of stuff you probably don't want (well it had loads of stuff I don't want)08:52
limbert65The frustrating problem I am having after upgrading from Edgy to Feisty is that some applications (Rhythmbox, Sound Juicer and PenguinTV) are just totally unstable.  They all crash or freeze after doing something simple like changing a view setting or opening the preferences.  Doing "completely remove" and reinstalling doesn't help.  Where do you look to solve something like that?08:53
PumpernickelLaunch them from a Terminal and see if you can catch any error messages.08:57
Slick_hey guys I've got a suggestion for the next xubuntu08:57
emdashokay, i'm using edgy on a lapotp, what's the best way to get it to automatically suspend at critical battery level. I tried using the battery monitor applet, but it runs with user privliges and can't put the machine to sleep.08:58
tonyyarussoSlick_: http://features.ubuntu.com/08:58
tonyyarussofeatures.launchpad.net, but maybe hte other works...08:58
Slick_right, I'll put it there!08:58
emdashi tried making a suid root binary to put the machine to sleep, calling it from suspend.sh, but then my screen isn't restored08:58
Slick_It's gonna blow your minds!08:58
emdashi think you need root privs for that too08:59
somerville32Slick_, You can talk about it in #xubuntu-devel08:59
emdashin fact i think mostof the actions that run in /etc/acpi/lid.sh etc don't really work as a uesr08:59
somerville32In Ubuntu Dapper, your computer shutsdown at critical08:59
emdashmine just dies08:59
emdashis there some system config for setting that09:00
emdashi don't really want my system to shut down if it still has 5% battery. that's more than enough to keep it alive in sleep mode09:01
somerville32I wish I could help but I'm usually using a desktop.09:01
emdashi just don't particularly like the gnome power manager, and all it's dependencies running on my system. not only that, but it doesn't really give you enough control09:02
iNoobedgy fails to recognize my usb mouse09:03
emdashi have a hotkey to enable/disable sleep on lide close09:03
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emdashand i can't get that from gnome power manger, for example09:03
emdash...well did it work before?09:03
emdashdid it ever work, i should say?09:04
somerville32iNoob, It should work.09:04
somerville32Try rebooting?09:04
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iNoobthe mouse has power09:05
iNoobbut does nothing09:05
somerville32Most interesting.09:06
somerville32File a bug? :)09:06
iNoobI had the same problem on puppy linux09:07
somerville32Does it work in Windows?09:08
somerville32Make and model?09:08
iNoobsony optical mouse vgp-ums109:10
somerville32Try disabling plug-and-play OS in your bios. If that doesn't work, re-enable it and we'll try something else.09:14
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somerville32Hey kalikiana_09:15
kalikiana_Are you eventually at full health again?09:15
somerville32kalikiana_, Did you get someone to upload the new version of your program?09:15
kalikiana_Unfortunately not.09:15
somerville32We'll get it in Gutsy and then backport it :)09:16
tonyyarussowhat program is this?09:16
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kalikiana_somerville32, getdeb.net made a deb already, that made me happy :)09:17
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kalikiana_aussieman, *lol10:22
aussiemanyeh it was on another channel i couldnt resist posting it to waken up soemone10:23
posingaspopularaussieman: dude thats weird...10:23
aussiemanwhat me psoting it?10:23
posingaspopular<aussieman> * loonie has quit ("Erection reset by queer")10:23
aussiemanit was on metamute10:24
aussiemani might not think it is very nice but it is a clevr play on words10:24
posingaspopularyea it was pretty good10:25
posingaspopularjust offputting a bit10:25
aussiemaneso si10:25
aldinhow can i set up default XFCE settings not the XUBUNTU ones?10:26
posingaspopularset default10:27
posingaspopularactually dont try that10:27
posingaspopularbecause im guessing/dont know at all10:27
TheSheepaldin: probably removing (back them up!) files from /etc/xdg would work10:28
aldinTheSheep, should i "rm" xdg folder too or leave it empty?10:29
TheSheepaldin: leave it empty10:30
aldinbtw, what i set to have xgl... like startkde & gnome-session, what is for xfce?10:32
TheSheepaldin: xfce4-session10:33
TheSheepaldin: or xstartxfce410:33
aldinok, thanks a lot for helping me though10:33
TheSheepboth should work10:34
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aldinTheSheep, it didint work...10:42
TheSheepaldin: how so?10:43
aldinmy session laste 10 secs error mesage10:44
aldin/etc/xdg cleaned..10:44
TheSheepaldin: what do you have in the session .desktop file?10:44
aldinbacked up10:44
TheSheepah, you mean with the xfce settings?10:44
TheSheepaldin: restore it and only remove the /etc/xdg/xfce410:45
TheSheepaldin: leave xfce4-session10:45
aldinautostart  menus  Thunar  xfce4  xfce4-session  xubuntu10:45
aldinthat is i /etc/xdg folder10:45
TheSheepI should have thought about it that xfce is nort the only app that uses xdg :)10:46
aldinso which one?10:46
TheSheephas the defeult settings10:46
aldinwhat to left here what to move form here?10:46
TheSheepmove the xfce4 folder somewhere10:47
TheSheepaldin: btw, xfce's defult settings are not worth all the effort ;)10:47
TheSheephi hyper_ch10:48
aldinTheSheep, hehe10:48
TheSheepaldin: oh, you can also install your own xfce10:48
hyper_chhiho Grandmaster Sheep10:48
TheSheepaldin: that'd give you the advantage of using a newer version10:48
TheSheepalnokta: but don't ask me how to arrange things so that the versions don't conflict :/10:49
TheSheepalnokta: sorry, that was for ald10:49
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aldinTheSheep, nothing again10:49
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aldincant log in10:50
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alnoktaTheSheep, hi man! :)10:50
TheSheepaldin: well, restore it and see if it works :/10:50
aldingnome works...10:50
TheSheepaldin: of course, gnome doesn't use anything from /etc/xdg10:50
TheSheepaldin: it has its own gconf10:51
mzanfardinoI've recently installed xfce on my ubuntu dapper server (I need a light-wieght X server to run an instance of firefox for testing).  I did NOT install xubuntu-desktop (for reasons just stated).  I can get xfce up and running, but I can't shut it down (or log off for that matter).  What packages should I include to give met his basic functionality?10:51
pangibyggmy internet runs reaaaally slow when i run the installed version of xubuntu, but normal when running liveCD, cant find why.. ?10:51
aldinTheSheep, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15278/10:51
TheSheepmzanfardino: xfce4-session probably10:51
aldinah, nevermind i am sleepy bye see ya10:52
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TheSheeppangibygg: try this10:52
TheSheep!ipv6 | pangibygg10:52
ubotupangibygg: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv410:52
pangibyggthx ill have a look10:52
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mzanfardinoTheSheep: sadly that package already appears to be installed.  I have successfully used ps auxf | grep xfce to locate the PID of the top-layer process and killed it (thus killing the session), but it's not the cleanest of methods...10:54
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TheSheepmzanfardino: how did you start xfce?10:56
mzanfardinoTheSheep: from cli with startxfce410:56
TheSheepmzanfardino: try with xfce4-session isntead10:57
mzanfardinoTheSheep: I have installed just the bare minimum: xfce4, xinit, xserver-xorg, xfonts-base, xffm4 and mozilla-firefox...10:57
mzanfardinoTheSheep: will do10:57
TheSheephmm... actually, you'd have to put xfce4-session to your .xsession and then run startx10:57
mzanfardinoTheSheep: xfce4-session returns an error stating it can not open the display10:58
TheSheepmzanfardino: yes, you need to have X started before that10:58
TheSheepmzanfardino: if you add it to .xsession, it should work10:58
mzanfardinoTheSheep: ok. mind you, I don't want the x session to load on boot.  I want to merely start it long enough to work with firefox, then be able to unload it cleanly, as this is a production server.10:59
TheSheepyou don't have gdm, so X won't load on boot10:59
mzanfardinoTheSheep: ok, I wasn't clear on that, but that clears things up10:59
TheSheepmzanfardino: you can also just do 'startx' and then 'xfce4-session' in that terminal that will appear, but that's manual11:00
mzanfardinoTheSheep: I will give that a shot first.  btw, where can I find .xsession?11:00
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TheSheepmzanfardino: create it in your home directory11:01
sigmamu188whats a good program for authoring xvid files to dvd11:01
TheSheepmzanfardino: just a text file11:01
neutonhello all11:01
TheSheepsigmamu188: I'm not sure, but I think that k3b can burn dvd video discs11:01
neutonI re-installed xubuntu edgy cause of a problem I had,however I forgot how to set it up to read my windows partition for music?11:02
TheSheep!ntfs | neuton11:02
ubotuneuton: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse11:02
neutoncan you guys help or give me the website again on how to install the packages?11:02
neutonyes The Sheep11:02
sigmamu188! k3b11:02
ubotuk3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto11:02
mzanfardinosigmamu188: I've just discovered avidemux...11:04
neutonty for the site ubotu11:04
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mzanfardinoTheSheep: would the .xsession file the have just the statement 'startxfce4'?11:04
TheSheepmzanfardino: no, it has to have 'xfce4-session'11:05
mzanfardinoTheSheep: also, my xfce desktop has an application button, but no applications, including no way to unload it.  Is there a package that I can install to give me a shutdown option (not sure this is the way to phrase the question, but it's the end result I'm looking for)11:06
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mzanfardinoTheSheep: sorry, my bad, that's what I meant11:06
TheSheepmzanfardino: yes, just that single line11:06
neutonTy for the help guys I got it now, I appreciate and have a good day now11:08
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mzanfardinoTheSheep: can I use .xsession to auto-launch firefox when I run startx?  or is there another way to achieve the same results?11:10
TheSheepmzanfardino: you can put a launcher in .config/autostart11:13
TheSheepmzanfardino: if you start firefox in .xsession, they you will be missing the window manager11:14
TheSheepso it wont have the borders around the windows or the window titles11:14
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hyper_chTheSheep: you know JS?11:21
TheSheephyper_ch: yes, some11:22
hyper_chand you have a webserver?11:22
TheSheephyper_ch: yes, some11:22
hyper_chcould you try an AJAX suite for me? It's not working... I just keep getting errors11:22
TheSheephyper_ch: what's the server-side part in?11:23
hyper_chTheSheep: building a treestructure of data11:23
TheSheephyper_ch: what language11:24
hyper_chI want to use it to build sort of a "familiy" tree out of a webboard userbase11:24
hyper_chwell, the ajax is JS I think11:24
TheSheephyper_ch: ajax is all about making the JS work together with a server-side script11:25
hyper_chyes, but haven't looked at it so much yet11:26
TheSheephyper_ch: you need both parts running11:26
hyper_chit's all *.js files11:28
hyper_chwell, I guess the tree thingy isn't using ajax but different add-ons are I guess11:28
TheSheephyper_ch: then it should just work, even when you open it in a browser from your local disk11:28
hyper_chI even made the all files exec just for testing11:28
hyper_chTheSheep: didn't work on the server with php 4.3.x11:29
hyper_chTheSheep: and neither on my computer with php 5.x11:29
TheSheepyou say it's all .js11:29
hyper_chand apache 2.0 / 2.211:29
hyper_chneither in ff nor msie nor opera11:29
TheSheephyper_ch: show me these files11:30
hyper_chTheSheep: that's not working for me:  http://www.notkeriana.ch/stammbaum/tree/11:31
hyper_chTheSheep: and this is the site:   http://www.zapatec.com/website/main/products/prod3/index.jsp  (where you can download)11:31
hyper_chTheSheep: I used their wizard to generate the index.html site so that I have an idea what I have to output from the php11:31
TheSheephyper_ch: http://www.notkeriana.ch/stammbaum/tree/utils/zapatec.js11:32
TheSheephyper_ch: you need a+r on all the .js files and a+rx on the directories11:32
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hyper_chTheSheep: http://phpfi.com/22619311:33
TheSheep-rwx--x--x  1 web3 web3 78771 2007-04-12 16:27 zapatec.js11:34
TheSheep-rwx--x--x  1 web3 web3  2192 2007-04-12 16:26 zapatec-src.js11:34
hyper_chnow it works11:35
TheSheepseems to work now11:36
hyper_chI LOVE YOU!!!11:36
hyper_chjust kidding11:36
hyper_chwell, I did recursively enable exec11:36
hyper_chbecause I thought it might be a problem there11:36
hyper_chbut I didn't look at read rights because I'm used to that group and world always has read rights11:36
TheSheepyou only need +x on the directories11:36
hyper_ch:) I'll upload it tomorrow again11:37
hyper_chat the main directory11:37
TheSheephyper_ch: awfully elaborate and complicated code for something as simple as a tree view11:37
hyper_chTheSheep: well, do you have simpler code that looks like this?11:37
TheSheeplooks is all just a matter of css11:38
hyper_chTheSheep: well, my css isn't good :)11:38
hyper_chbut that would rock somehow :)11:38
TheSheepall you need is 2 lines of JS that will change the class on your <ul> when you click it -- to collapse/expand nodes11:38
hyper_chI don't even need collapsing11:39
hyper_chI will then use ajax to display infos for the people11:39
hyper_chI'll have a closer look at it tomorrow :)11:39
TheSheepwhy not a normal page?11:39
hyper_chwhat normal page?11:39
TheSheepwell, make it look like tree that's all expanded, and use normal links to display info about people...11:40
TheSheepyu could actually include the tree with different nodes expanded on different pages11:40
hyper_chgonna use ajax for tooltips :)11:40
hyper_choh well :)11:40
hyper_chI was just sitting at this all afternoon long11:41
TheSheeptooltips are build-in11:41
hyper_chand asked myself why isn't it working11:41
TheSheepjust put a title="foo" attribute inside a tag11:41
hyper_chI'll deal with it tomorrow :)11:41
hyper_chbtw, you already got Etch installed? *g*11:42
TheSheephyper_ch: no, no free space at the moment11:42
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TheSheephyper_ch: gotta burn some dvd's11:42
hyper_chI meant on the servers11:42
TheSheephyper_ch: we don't use debian on servers11:42
hyper_chwhy not?11:43
hyper_chdebian is rockstable... never had a problem ever since I have my server and that's almost 2 years now :)11:43
TheSheephyper_ch: because we have an own distribution for that -- I work together with several devs of it, so it's more convenient11:43
hyper_chwhat kind of own distro?11:44
TheSheephyper_ch: PLD11:44
hyper_chand what does it make favourable?11:44
TheSheephyper_ch: the fact that we have the devs as employees11:44
TheSheephyper_ch: http://pld-linux.org/11:45
hyper_chand for outsiders?11:45
hyper_chgerman wiki :)11:45
TheSheephyper_ch: Polish11:46
hyper_chTheSheep: ah, just teh default howto use this page :)11:46
hyper_chrest is in english :)11:46
TheSheephyper_ch: for outsiders -- well, I don't see any advantages over debian, but the devs would probably not agree with me :)11:46
hyper_chred hat based... so no apt?11:47
hyper_chbtw, http://forum.pld-linux.org/ --> Unable to connect11:48
TheSheephyper_ch: yes, but it takes advantage of rpms much more than red hat -- it's actually pretty distant from redhat philosophy11:48
hyper_chI thought apt is a better package manager than rpm?11:48
hyper_ch<-- noob :) but learning11:48
TheSheephyper_ch: they are comparable, actually11:49
hyper_chthe only thing I read is that apt is considered superior :)11:49
TheSheephyper_ch: it's more about how you organize everything and split into packages11:49
hyper_chif you let me handle apt it'll be worse than what m$ does11:49
hyper_chgot a point there on how to use it11:50
hyper_chLinux looses the google fight against windows :(11:50
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mange20hey. i have no sound, even though sound card is detected (lspci), it's not muted. what's wrong?11:52
hyper_chTheSheep: I'm happy with Debian :)11:52
hyper_chmange20: speakers connected?11:52
mange20yes i run on my laptop btw11:52
hyper_chmange20: correctly connected...11:52
hyper_choh ^^11:52
TheSheepmange20: volume >0 in the xfce4-mixer?11:52
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TheSheepmange20: does 'lsmod | grep snd' show anything?11:53
mange20yep 20 lines of something11:54
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mange20how to find xfce4-mixer? (im new, windows before.)11:54
TheSheepmange20: if you have a volume control on your panel, then just click on the whistle icon11:54
TheSheepmange20: if not, press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-mixer'11:55
mange20ok got it. its all empty, nothing to adjust11:55
mange20File>Options Device, i have tested both default and #011:56
TheSheepmange20: is your user in the audio group?11:56
TheSheepmange20: you can check in system->users and groups11:56
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TheSheephi maxamillion11:57
maxamillionTheSheep: hello11:57
mange20yep. Use audio devices is checked11:57
maxamillionTheSheep: how has the chan been today?11:57
TheSheepmaxamillion: phear my l33t pixel-fu: http://sheep.art.pl/icon/hint.png11:57
maxamillionTheSheep: rock-tastic11:58
TheSheepmange20: open a terminal, and type 'lsmod | grep snd'11:58
TheSheepmange20: displayed anything at all?11:59
mange20yes. like 20 lines of text11:59
TheSheepthat means it has the kernel modules loaded :/11:59
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mange20bad sign? :P12:00
TheSheepmange20: try 'cat //dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'12:00
TheSheepmange20: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'12:00
TheSheephear anything?12:01
mange20Device or resourse busy12:01
hyper_chI'm off to bed, thx for the help TheSheep12:01
TheSheephyper_ch: sweet dreams12:01
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mange20ok i shut down xmms, but i dont hear anything no :(12:01
TheSheepmange20: try running 'aumix'12:01
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mange20yep. vol is on max..12:03
TheSheepmange20: all of them?12:03
TheSheepmange20: and all have a green 'P' next to them?12:03
mange20no just Vol. mic = 0  Igain like 5012:04
TheSheepmange20: you need Vol and Pcm12:04
mange20ok. i have no green P at all12:05
TheSheepmange20: maybe just a different version of aumix12:06
mange20maybe, i wrote sudo apt-get install aumix, then i ran aumix12:06
TheSheepmange20: try 'sudo aumix', maybe it's just that one user who can't play...12:06
mange20no difference :/12:08
TheSheepmange20: any physical mute button or volume adjustment on your laptop? :)12:08
mange20nope. double checked =)12:09
TheSheepthat's it, I'm out of ideas12:09
mange20ok thx for the help12:09
TheSheepmange20: maybe look at the forums for your soundcard make and model12:09
mange20i will12:09
graziemange20: has sound ever worked?12:11
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elviscan someone help me connect to my windows share folders12:13
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TheSheepelvis: xubuntu doesn't come by default with software for that12:15
TheSheepelvis: you need something like pyneighbourhood or fusesmb12:15
elviswill that be kpackage12:16
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elvisi use it for installing things12:16
maxamillionelvis: did you come from using kubuntu?12:17
elvisthere was one other thing12:17
elvishow do i use the xfishtank and stuff12:17
elvisno ubuntu12:17
maxamillionelvis: oh ... most ubuntu users use synaptic, which is why i asked12:17
elvislol i am fussy lol12:18
maxamillionfair enough12:18
elvisso how would i activate things like fish tank12:20
maxamillionfish tank?12:20
maxamillionnever heard of it12:21
joepaperanyone know how to config xfwm4 to not insert a gap between windows when initially placing them?12:21
maxamillionjoepaper: not off the top of my head ... might be in window manager tweaks in the settings panel though12:21
joepapermaxamillion: i've played around with the tweaks and the regular window mgr settings, but haven't found anything that works12:23
elvisok how come some of my screen savers said not installed12:23
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