[12:27] <posingaspopular> okay ctrl+alt+f1 works fine for me
[12:28] <posingaspopular> i have no idea how to exit back to gui though
[12:28] <Grey_Loki> I'd guess at either 'exit' or 'startx'
[12:31] <posingaspopular> nope...
[12:31] <Grey_Loki> Hmm
[12:31] <Grey_Loki> Pass, then
[12:32] <posingaspopular> it's coolthanks
[12:35] <morpheus74> posingaspopular, Sorry, I did not realize you were done already.  Try ctrl-alt- F7 to get back to your gui.
[12:36] <posingaspopular> morpheus74: i just did a cold reboot
[12:36] <morpheus74> posingaspopular, When you did ctrl+alt+ F1, did the font size get really big, or did it stay the same as you have in your gui?
[12:36] <posingaspopular> you should file a bug report
[12:36] <posingaspopular> the same
[12:37] <morpheus74> posingaspopular, The other issue I ran into was I could not get back to my gui doing ctrl+alt+F7, which bring me back to my gui in Ubuntu 6.10.
[12:37] <morpheus74> The machine then locked up on me.  I'm not sure if this is a bug.  What do you think?
[12:37] <posingaspopular> that works fine for me....
[12:38] <morpheus74> Hmm, must be my hardware then.
[12:38] <morpheus74> Thanks for checking it out.
[12:39] <posingaspopular> yea it works fine for me, you should file a bug report , imo
[12:47] <Dan4> Can anyone help me? I want to add a second shared printer to linux but the URl of the printer has a space in it, whenever I submit it it removes anything after the space and I can't print. any ideas?
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> Dan4, if you add a backslash to the space, it should work
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> do\ it\ like\ this
[12:53] <Grey_Loki> At least, that's what bash does for folder names with spaces.
[12:54] <Dan4> nope, removes it anyway
[12:54] <Dan4> I enter smb:///192.168.2.5/deskjet 832c, but when I press apply it is changed to smb:///192.168.2.5/deskjet
[12:55] <Dan4> it is fine when I share to an XP computer, but not with the 98 this printer is attached to
[12:57] <odat> hi everyone
[12:57] <odat> xubuntu friggin rocks
[12:57] <odat> wooohoo
[12:57] <odat> anyone here able to make a patch for a module?
[12:58] <bur[n] er_> odat: doubt it
[12:58] <rici> that's got to be the best how-long-is-a-piece-of-string questions i've seen all week. :)
[12:59] <odat> i already have the necessary file
[12:59] <rici> the easiest way Is:   diff -urN module new_module    :)
[12:59] <odat> just not sure how to do it
[12:59] <rici> if it's just a file, leave out the rN part
[01:00] <bur[n] er_> odat: oh, you patched it and just want the diff?  i misunderstood, listen to rici
[01:01] <Dan4> any other ideas on putting a space in a printer URL?
[01:01] <odat> http://arron.dnip.net:81/files/vicam.c-2.6.16-agc-Nikolov
[01:01] <odat> it looks like it might be a kernel patch
[01:01] <odat> is for the vicam module
[01:02] <Grey_Loki> Dan4, you can't just rename the printer to deskjet832c ?
[01:02] <Grey_Loki> With no space
[01:03] <Dan4> not without fixing settings on >4 other computers
[01:03] <Dan4> I have a large network
[01:03] <Grey_Loki> That's not really large
[01:03] <Dan4> 14 in the network
[01:03] <Grey_Loki> Large is >30 comps, IMO :P
[01:03] <rici> odat: that's not a patch, that's a whole file
[01:04] <Grey_Loki> Dan4, these other four computers, they're windows-based, i'm guessing?
[01:04] <Dan4> yes, of various ages
[01:04] <Grey_Loki> In which case, it would only be about 30 seconds to change the settings around
[01:05] <Dan4> some are quite old, and I have to check them all to find which have that printer
[01:05] <Dan4> I didn't write it down
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[01:05] <odat> rici, i'm not sure how to use it
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> But no, if the backslash thing didn't work, i can't think of anything else.
[01:05] <Dan4> why isn't there a way to make a space anyway?
[01:05] <rici> odat: me neither
[01:06] <odat> i think you have to recompile your kernel with that file
[01:06] <rici> is that module not in the xubuntu kernel?
[01:06] <odat> the vicam module is in the xubuntu kernel but it doesn't support automatic gain control
[01:06] <odat> that is what that file is for
[01:07] <Dan4> oh also I have 3 other printers with spaces in their name, and one is on all 14 computers
[01:07] <Dan4> just easier to get this one computer to work than adjust the others for it
[01:09] <rici> odat: you should be able to just compile the module, but you'll need the kernel sources
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> Dan4, in that case, just idle here. Someone will chip in when they have an answer
[01:10] <rici> then you can put it in your modules.conf file, and it will get loaded.
[01:10] <rici> i suspect you'll end up apt-get'ting quite a lot of stuff to set up to do all that :)
[01:10] <rici> there's probably a section in the xubuntu docs about "building a custom kernel" and/or "building kernel modules"
[01:10] <rici> try searching for things like that.
[01:11] <Arkh>  or just search it in how to forge
[01:11] <rici> like anything, it's only hard the first time :)
[01:13] <Dan4> ok I can wait, the reason for this name problem is I always name the printers by maker, a space, then the model
[01:14] <Grey_Loki> Since I started looking into linux, i've always named stuff totally lower-case, with no spaces.
[01:14] <Grey_Loki> Just makes things easier
[01:14] <Dan4> I am used to doing it for readability
[01:14] <Dan4> because windows doesn't complain
[01:15] <Dan4> but that is the thing about learning a new OS
[01:15] <rici> Dan4: i take it all your printers are different? :)
[01:16] <rici> when i used to be a network admin, i named them by where they were
[01:16] <rici> that was easier for most network users to deal with.
[01:16] <Dan4> yeah, all different
[01:16] <rici> but then they were almost all the same model. standardization is good.
[01:16] <Dan4> 3 brands, 2 types
[01:17] <Dan4> well only 2 of the computers are the same
[01:18] <Dan4> and the printers are 2 epson impacts, HP inkjet, HP officejet, and a lexmark,
[01:32] <Dan4> so anyone have any idea, seems kindof a silly problem
[01:40] <Dan4> wow the ubuntu channel is loaded
[01:41] <JKnife> o/
[01:41] <maxamillion> j0
[01:42] <JKnife> =\ this channel has a lot more people in it since i was last here
[01:42] <Dan4> that one has >1000
[01:43] <maxamillion> JKnife: yup ... we've grown a little in the last 8 months
[01:46] <rici> Dan4: did you try %20?
[01:47] <rici> viz. correct url format :)
[01:49] <Dan4> yea, won't print, maybe it thinks that 830 is part of it
[01:50] <rici> part of the % escape?
[01:50] <rici> that would be unusual.
[01:52] <Dan4> it looks like this: smb:///192.168.2.5/deskjet%20832c
[01:52] <rici> yeah, that *should* be ok
[01:52] <rici> but no guarantees
[01:53] <rici> it's possible that the %20 is being changed to a space and then the result is not being quoted in some shell script
[01:54] <rici> % is always followed by exactly two hexits in a url. it won't include the 83 unless it's well and truly borked.
[01:54] <Dan4> it is a pretty fresh install
[01:54] <rici> i don't even have smb here, never mind smb printers, so i can't really help you much.
[01:55] <Dan4> do you think the fact that this printer is on windows 989SE have an effect?
[01:56] <rici> it could. i had a bitch of a time getting that to work with mac os x for printer sharing, until i hooked the printer up to the mac
[01:56] <rici> that was a while ago
[01:57] <rici> can you see ordinary network shares on that machine?
[01:57] <Dan4> I don't know where to do that in xubuntu
[01:57] <camer0ff> .. i got into irc fast today :S
[01:58] <maxamillion> camer0ff: is that bad?
[01:58] <Dan4> I can ping my 98 from my xubuntu fine
[01:59] <rici> ping doesn't need to negotiate with windows netwonting
[01:59] <Dan4> hmm, where can I check then?
[01:59] <camer0ff> maxamillion, no not at all.. took 3 seconds to log in to the server (austnet and freenode) and join channels :S was very impressed
[02:00] <maxamillion> camer0ff: :)
[02:00] <maxamillion> gotta run, getting off work ... laters!
[02:00] <camer0ff> windows networking :D fun fun
[02:00] <rici> Dan4: no idea, sorry. like i say, i'm now happily windows free, so i haven't even tried setting up samba
[02:00] <rici> but someone should know
[02:00] <Dan4> this machine is the only one with issues with it
[02:00] <rici> !samba
[02:00] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:00] <camer0ff> what is the question?
[02:00] <rici> try those
[02:01] <camer0ff> what is the problem Dan4 ?
[02:02] <Dan4> can't put a space in a printer URL
[02:02] <camer0ff> can you use %20 as the space?
[02:02] <camer0ff> works in HTML
[02:02] <Dan4> apperently not
[02:02] <camer0ff> if not... get rid of the space
[02:03] <Dan4> doesn't print
[02:03] <camer0ff> rename the printer something else
[02:03] <camer0ff> what is the path to the printer?
[02:03] <Dan4> too many computers
[02:03] <Dan4> 192.165.2.5/deskjet 832c
[02:04] <camer0ff> ew :(
[02:05] <camer0ff> you should save yourself some cash buy buying a new printer.. laser.. with an ethernet port
[02:05] <camer0ff> then again.. if you need colour
[02:05] <Dan4> it works very well, no reason to buy a new one
[02:06] <Dan4> but then again one of my printers is 21
[02:07] <camer0ff> they work well.. but dont ever try to get them fixed :P
[02:08] <Dan4> the cartrages are cheap for impact printers, $5
[02:08] <camer0ff> fair enough :)
[02:08] <camer0ff> do you only do b/w printing?
[02:09] <Dan4> no, that is why I need this deskjet going
[02:09] <camer0ff> gotcha :)
[02:09] <Dan4> we also have a lexmark, but it has a space in the URL, and the cartrages are expensive
[02:10] <Dan4> all but 1 have spaces
[02:10] <Dan4> never even thought it would ever be a problem when I did it
[02:11] <camer0ff> hmm
[02:11] <camer0ff> what os are you using?
[02:12] <Dan4> windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, NT, XUbuntu, mac OS 8.6
[02:12] <camer0ff> xubuntu 7.04?
[02:12] <Dan4> hmm, let me check
[02:13] <Dan4> it is a recent one but I don't know where to check
[02:13] <camer0ff> mmm... the most recent (still in beta stages) is feisty
[02:14] <camer0ff> its 7.04
[02:14] <camer0ff> bellow that is edgy 6.10 i think
[02:14] <Dan4> I think it is edgy
[02:14] <Dan4> 6.10
[02:15] <camer0ff> kk
[02:15] <camer0ff> i am not sure if this will help... but
[02:15] <camer0ff> http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~reinholz/freebsd/smb_print_client.html
[02:17] <Dan4> it is already set up, I can print to one of my printers now
[02:18] <camer0ff> it is strange
[02:18] <camer0ff> i havent been able to find much information :(
[02:18] <Dan4> I know, I tried looking before I came here
[02:19] <Dan4> such a silly problem isn't it
[02:19] <camer0ff> hmm
[02:19] <camer0ff> maybe '192.165.2.5/deskjet 832c' or "192.165.2.5/deskjet 832c"
[02:19] <camer0ff> or even...
[02:19] <camer0ff> 192.165.2.5/deskjet\ 832c
[02:20] <camer0ff> trying to remember how the slashes go
[02:20] <Dan4> that last one doesn't work
[02:20] <Dan4> counts the space anyway
[02:20] <camer0ff> ah :(
[02:21] <Dan4> with quotes it cuts it off too
[02:21] <camer0ff> dammit :(
[02:21] <Dan4> lemmy try installing one of my other printers with spaces
[02:22] <camer0ff> have you asked in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-au?
[02:22] <Dan4> too crowded to get a response
[02:22] <Dan4> tried 3 times, post was off top of screen in a few seconds
[02:23] <camer0ff> damn
[02:25] <Dan4> how can I clear jobs that hasn't printed?
[02:26] <camer0ff> i was given this address by pelo since he couldn't help
[02:26] <camer0ff> http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84
[02:27] <camer0ff> i think you might have to google that one as well Dan4
[02:29] <camer0ff> Dan4, get into #ubuntu-au :)
[02:30] <camer0ff>   bob%20bob
[02:30] <Dan4> ok I'll take a look thanks
[02:30] <camer0ff>   bob\ bob
[02:30] <camer0ff> two answers i got
[02:31] <Dan4> hmm, seems my printer with no spaces on my other windows 98 doesn't work either
[02:31] <stephane> I can't install zinf corectly
[02:32] <stephane> is anybody install zinf ?
[02:34] <camer0ff> apparently it might be easier to just change the names of all the printers with spaces and then reset up the network :P
[02:34] <camer0ff> Dan4, was given this address too: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting
[02:58] <odat> hi everyone
[02:58] <odat> anyone able to compile a module?
[02:58] <Dan4> well I'll look around, thanks for the help
[02:59] <camer0ff> no worries :) good luck
[03:01] <odat> anyone able to compile a module?
[03:06] <odat> anyone here?
[03:13] <kalikiana_> odat, What is "a module"?
[03:14] <odat> kalikiana_, vicam module
[03:15] <odat> http://arron.dnip.net:81/files/vicam.c-2.6.16-agc-Nikolov
[03:17] <kalikiana_> I'm afraid I don't use any webcam.
[03:18] <kalikiana_> You might ask in #ubuntu for help if nobody in here answers.
[03:29] <Cinnander> ciao
[03:50] <limbert65> Upgrading from Xubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 seems to have broken Sound Juicer and Rhythmbox.  Sound Juicer locks up, and Rhythmbox crashes.  Might have something to do with having used EasyUbuntu to install mp3 codecs before the upgrade?  Any suggestions for a fix?
[03:58] <gunny01>  can anyone point me to a tutorial on how to dual boot OSX and ubuntu on a macbook?
[03:58] <gunny01> *xubuntu
[04:03] <limbert65> gunny01:  Could you use Parallels to do that?
[04:05] <limbert65> or maybe this:  http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/HOWTO
[04:09] <jlist> .
[04:34] <LM1> hey
[04:34] <LM1> does anyone know if xubuntu (feisty) will have xfce 4.4.1
[04:34] <LM1> ?
[04:57] <LM1> hey
[04:57] <LM1> does anyone know if feisty xubuntu will have xfce 4.4.1
[06:43] <punsad> I just installed xubuntu 'alternate' install.. how is this different from regular ubuntu (other than xfce vs gnome?)....
[06:44] <punsad> I guess my main question... is if I'm happy with xubuntu's speed on my laptop... will ubuntu with xfce be just as fast?
[06:45] <punsad> anyone there?
[06:49] <tonyyarusso> punsad: that's the same thing...
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> It's just a matter of graphical environment
[06:51] <punsad> on a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being 'bet my life on it' ... how certain are you that it's the same?  even if I chose the 'alternate' cd for xubuntu?
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> 10
[06:51] <punsad> cool
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> The core packages come from the same place, etc. - you can even install hundreds of graphical environments on the same machine, or none at all, from any CD you want
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> The CD simply dictates which things are available without an internet connection.
[06:52] <punsad> what's the reasoning behind multiverse, universe, (noname) categories for the packages?
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> main - meets free software guidelines and is supported by Canonical
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> restricted - does not meet free software guidelines, but is supported by Canonical
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> universe - meets free software guidelines but is community supported only
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> multiverse - is neither free nor supported
[06:55] <punsad> thanks so much tonyyarusso!
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> np
[06:56] <punsad> I was an ubuntu snob (been using plain old debian since 1999)... but I really think I'm warming up to ubuntu.
[06:57] <punsad> or would that be debian snob... whatever..
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> universe is similar to contrib, multi to contrib-nonfree, iirc
[06:59] <punsad> that's exactly the way I interpretted
[06:59] <punsad> I'll probably continue to try to use apt-get install  (I never even got used to aptitude)
[07:00] <punsad> thanks again
[07:00] <punsad> gnite
[07:17] <atarinox> i was wondering if somebody could help me...it seems like my xubuntu install has been slowing down a lot lately...is there anything in particular i should be looking for? i havent done much as far as maintaining after installing hte OS, so maybe there's something i've neglected to do?
[08:24] <LoneShadow> hi
[08:25] <LoneShadow> I upgraded from dapper to edgy
[08:25] <LoneShadow> now all my windows open at top left corner, and I cant move them around
[08:25] <LoneShadow> is there a way to find out if my X is upgraded to edgy ?
[08:59] <atarinox> exit
[09:05] <ben123is> hello
[09:06] <ben123is> what's the difference between Applications->other->add/remove  and Synaptic?
[09:07] <rici> synaptic can do more stuff
[09:07] <rici> but they're working from the same data in the same way
[09:08] <ben123is> i see
[09:08] <ben123is> thanks
[09:08] <ben123is> i'm new to xubunru. used fluxbuntu till now
[09:09] <ben123is> *xubuntu
[09:10] <ben123is> xubuntu is much nicer :)
[09:15] <kumamoto> ben123is: how good is fluxbuntu?
[09:18] <ben123is> kumamoto: it's pretty good. it's fast: requires slower hardware than xubuntu to run. I'ts not official ubuntu version yet, so it's not optimized as all ubuntu version, meaning that if you have more work with file editing than in other versions of ubuntu
[09:18] <ben123is> meaning: less graphical shortcuts, more file editing
[09:19] <ben123is> kumamoto: you can download their live cd and try it without installing :)
[09:20] <ben123is> but, if your hardware is strong enough for xubuntu, i think you should stick to it
[09:25] <ben123is> i have a feeling that xubuntu manages the hardware better the fluxbuntu: my firefox works faster. can anyone confirm that?
[09:28] <LoneShadow> anyone know how I can role back to dapper from edgy ?
[09:30] <ben123is> why would you like to do that?
[09:31] <LoneShadow> my X got messed up with the upgrade :(
[09:32] <LoneShadow> any window/xterm I open gets stuck at top left corner, dont have the bar with minimize or close buttons
[09:32] <LoneShadow> so everything gets stacked at the left corner, and I cant move things around
[09:33] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: you don't have xfwm4 running for some reason
[09:33] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: are you sure theu pgrade finished?
[09:34] <ben123is> LoneShadow: i know that problem. had the same thing when upgraded from dapper. i just did a new clean install. do the same
[09:35] <LoneShadow> what do you mean clean install ?
[09:35] <LoneShadow> actually it did fail the first round, complained about ircd-hybrid not getting upgraded properly
[09:35] <LoneShadow> so I removed the package
[09:35] <LoneShadow> and re-ran the upgrade process, and this time it completed
[09:37] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: what does 'apt-cache policy xfwm4' say?
[09:37] <ben123is> LoneShadow: i mean install from an edgy cd, and format your hard drive before installation
[09:37] <TheSheep> ben123is: that's the windows way
[09:37] <LoneShadow> ugh, I wanted to upgrade, not do a clean install :D
[09:37] <ben123is> LoneShadow: do that only if you can't fix the problem then :)
[09:38] <LoneShadow> xfwm4:
[09:38] <LoneShadow>   Installed: 4.3.99.1svn+r23334-0ubuntu1
[09:38] <LoneShadow>   Candidate: 4.3.99.1svn+r23334-0ubuntu1
[09:38] <LoneShadow> basically my windows are missing the resize frame
[09:39] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: can you try and run xfwm4 from a terminal?
[09:39] <TheSheep> (that's the program responsible for drawing the window frames)
[09:41] <LoneShadow> running xfwm4 fixed it :D
[09:42] <LoneShadow> so what is wrong with my config ?
[09:43] <LoneShadow> so I need to run xfwm4 from .xinitrc or something ?
[09:43] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: for some reason your xfce4-session didn't start xfwm4
[09:43] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: you might try deleting the files in ~/.cache/sessions
[09:43] <Zxynax> I've got a problem mounting a DVD-ROM drive
[09:44] <darrend> LoneShadow: I had problems with that version of xfwm4 crashing quite frequently for no apparent reason
[09:44] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: and if that doesn't help, inspecting /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc
[09:44] <darrend> my current version, from feisty, is very stable
[09:44] <LoneShadow> the ~/.cache/sessions is empty
[09:44] <darrend> as is xfdesktop which I also  no longer have issues with
[09:44] <TheSheep> darrend: fortunatelly Feisty should be out this month :)
[09:45] <darrend> indeed.  Been using it for about 4 weeks already.
[09:45] <Zxynax> I've got a problem mounting a DVD-ROM drive, can anybody lend some assistance
[09:45] <TheSheep> Zxynax: I guess you would have to be al ittle more specific
[09:46] <Zxynax> give me a second may have found the issue....
[09:46] <Zxynax> but stay on the line :)
[09:46] <TheSheep> sure
[09:46] <TheSheep> best say what you're doing exactly, what error messages you get (if any), whether other dvd's work, etc.
[09:47] <LoneShadow> darrend: yea I want to upgrade feisty, but the first step was to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[09:47] <Zxynax> drive works in vista ( only dual-booting for game support )
[09:47] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: maybe upgrade to feisty will fix that :)
[09:47] <LoneShadow> heh
[09:47] <darrend> LoneShadow: once you have xfwm4 running, logout and save your session.  That's probably the quickest way to get it running again as normal.  When you run it from a  terminal, make sure you background it too ("xfwm4 &")
[09:47] <LoneShadow> ok
[09:47] <Zxynax> and i've received dvd-rom hdc: request sense failure: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } that error
[09:48] <LoneShadow> brb, gotta run back to my TV, its my mythtv box
[09:48] <TheSheep> Zxynax: sounds like a scratched disc
[09:48] <Zxynax> no disc was working
[09:48] <TheSheep> Zxynax: but might be a problem with support for this model as well
[09:48] <Zxynax> seems to be working great now
[09:49] <TheSheep> Zxynax: maybe a speck of dust then :)
[09:49] <Zxynax> doubtful, error has been plaguing me all day
[09:49] <Zxynax> I changed...hold on let me get specifics
[09:49] <TheSheep> Zxynax: did you change anything that it started working?
[09:49] <Zxynax> yes
[09:50] <Zxynax> some package changes
[09:50] <LoneShadow> darrend: that did the trick :)
[09:50] <darrend> cool. :)
[09:51] <LoneShadow> thanks TheSheep anddarrend
[09:51] <TheSheep> .oO( xfwm4 should be started automatically if there is no saved session anyways... )
[09:51] <Zxynax> either a kernel change did it, or a recompile of the fs utilities
[09:51] <LoneShadow> what kernel versions are you guys running ?
[09:51] <LoneShadow> is it 2.6.17-11-generic ?
[09:51] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ uname -a
[09:51] <TheSheep> Linux ghostwheel 2.6.20-14-generic #2 SMP
[09:51] <darrend> darren@hepburn ~ $ uname -a
[09:51] <darrend> Linux hepburn 2.6.20-12-generic #2 SMP Wed Mar 21 20:55:46 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:52] <LoneShadow> is 2.6.20.x part of feisty ?
[09:52] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: yes
[09:52] <darrend> y
[09:52] <LoneShadow> how stable is feisty ?
[09:52] <LoneShadow> on xubuntu ?
[09:53] <darrend> stable in what way?  There are still lots of package updates (another 200MB last night when I updated this box)
[09:53] <darrend> stable in terms of reliability?   Very, so far
[09:53] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: it was stablier than edgy right from the start, then there were some trouble a month ago, but it only lasted several days until the bugfisx, now we have the first release candidate and it's stable as rock
[09:53] <LoneShadow> aah
[09:54] <LoneShadow> anyway my mythtv and asterisk needs to recompiled, might as well upgrade to feisty :D
[09:54] <LoneShadow> to be*
[09:54] <Zxynax> /leave
[09:55] <darrend> LoneShadow: you use asterisk for home or work?
[09:55] <LoneShadow> home
[09:55] <darrend> how do you find it?  I've been thinking of building an asterisk box
[09:55] <darrend> Why is xfce 4.4.1 not on feisty by the way, anyone know?
[09:55] <darrend> ;)
[09:55] <LoneShadow> darrend: its a real nice piece of software, I havnt been using it that much lately, need to get things up and running
[09:56] <LoneShadow> darrend: asterisk dosnt need much resources, if you have a dedicated pc running 24hours, you can install on it
[09:56] <LoneShadow> I used to run asterisk on my linksys router before with openwrt firmware :)
[09:57] <LoneShadow> but it was not powerful enough to do some transcoding, so moved it to my mythtv box
[09:57] <darrend> I wanted to use it as a voice mail station so that I could access .wav (or encoded) voicemails from my email or web.  Is that fairly simple to set up?
[09:58] <LoneShadow> yea
[09:58] <LoneShadow> install asterisk and freepbx
[09:59] <LoneShadow> takes some time to understand the voip config lingo, if you hang out in #freepbx people can help you out
[10:00] <darrend> what kind of card do you need for a standard line (though I guess that will be country/region specific)
[10:00] <LoneShadow> I have to restructure my partitions, my root partition is almost full :(
[10:00] <LoneShadow> does feisty require more space compared to dapper/edgy ?
[10:01] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: probably a little bit -- but try 'apt-get clean' first
[10:01] <LoneShadow> if you are trying to connect your asterisk box to your land line, get a sipura (spa3k) costs around US $80
[10:01] <TheSheep> LoneShadow: it will delete all the packages you downloaded in order to do the upgrade
[10:02] <LoneShadow> wow, 93% to 63% :)
[10:02] <LoneShadow> oops 69%
[10:03] <LoneShadow> do you have a regular land line or a voip provider for phone connection ?
[10:03] <darrend> regular land lines
[10:04] <darrend> but I don't know if regular in the UK is the same as regular in the US (if that's where you are)
[10:04] <LoneShadow> so all you want is a way to access your voicemail thru email/http ?
[10:06] <darrend> mostly, yeah.  I want a menuing system ("Press 1 for dilbert, 2 for alice") and then to mail dilbert or alice to say "Message waiting.." kind of thing
[10:06] <LoneShadow> you should just buy the sipura device
[10:07] <LoneShadow> SPA3102 or something
[10:09] <LoneShadow> so whats the best way to upgrade from edgy to feisty ?
[10:09] <Grey_Loki> sudo upgrade-manager -c -d, I think.
[10:09] <Grey_Loki> !feisty
[10:09] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:09] <Grey_Loki> Take a look in #ubuntu+1, see what they say.
[10:36] <morgs> Is there a shipit for xubuntu? http://shipit.xubuntu.com/ seems to be misconfigured or broken
[10:37] <highvoltage> morgs: no, xubuntu won't be shipped via shipit
[10:37] <morgs> Not even to LoCoTeams? Darn. That's the one thing everybody asks about...
[10:38] <highvoltage> that should probably just be configured to point to the Xubuntu download page explaining that it's not available for shipit.
[10:38] <highvoltage> no, not even for loco teams :'(
[10:38] <highvoltage> I agree with you, xubuntu is certainly in high demand.
[10:38] <Grey_Loki> Is that a service for sending a linux CD out to you if you can't dl it?
[10:38] <Grey_Loki> Why not just order the Ubuntu CD, then apt-get xubuntu-desktop?
[10:39] <highvoltage> Grey_Loki: we live in a bandwidth-restricted country
[10:39] <highvoltage> Grey_Loki: most users pay US$50+ just for basic dialup and the phone bill that comes along with it, and we pay per minute
[10:39] <morgs> with lots of older PCs...
[10:40] <highvoltage> Grey_Loki: adsl users here typically only get 2-3GB bandwidth a month
[10:40] <morgs> and our DSL's one of the most expensive in the world...
[10:42] <Merchelo> 40 euro (~35 dollars) for uncapped 2.5gb/s down, 1/5gb/s up fibre in parts of france
[10:43] <nonuda> what is the most light x desktop?
[10:44] <Grey_Loki> highvoltage, dude, where are you - communist china!?
[10:45] <nonuda> highvoltage: for my country internet connection is very expensive too
[10:46] <highvoltage> Grey_Loki: in terms of telecoms... worse... South Africa.
[10:46] <highvoltage> bandwidth is more expensive here than any country in the world, we have an evil telecoms monopoly
[10:47] <highvoltage> an this is how much money our telecom monopoly makes: http://www.hellkom.co.za/pages/info.php
[10:47] <highvoltage> (devide by 7 for US$)
[10:47] <Naughtyboy> mornin ladies...
[10:55] <Grey_Loki> highvoltage, so just under 1 billion made this year?
[10:57] <ben123is> hello
[10:57] <ben123is> i have creative sound blaster 16, but xubuntu doesn't recognize it. please help
[10:58] <highvoltage> Grey_Loki: probably doesn't sound like much if you're in brittain, but the average phone bill here is a large percentage of the average salary, compared to the UK
[11:01] <Grey_Loki> highvoltage, yeah, i'm British - our telecoms industry is a multibillion-pound profit margin
[11:13] <ben123is> anyone please?
[11:15] <ben123is>  sudo modprobe sb, sudo modprobe snd-sbawe, sudo modprobe snd-sb16 seem not to work
[11:15] <ben123is> ?
[11:18] <highvoltage> ben123is: is it an ISA card? I have a suspicion that Ubuntu doesn't support ISA cards anymore.
[11:21] <ben123is> what's ISA? it connect to PCI
[11:22] <highvoltage> hmmm... I think it should work then. is it listed in lshw or lspci?
[11:22] <ben123is> oh wait let me check
[11:23] <ben123is> highvoltage: you're right it connects not to PCI but to another (the biggest) slot
[11:23] <ben123is> is that ISA
[11:23] <ben123is> ?
[11:24] <highvoltage> yes, that's an ISA slot
[11:24] <highvoltage> the big (usually) black slot with the big pins
[11:24] <ben123is> so there's nothing to do?
[11:25] <highvoltage> does the board have a PCI slot? there's usually PCI cards lying everywhere :)
[11:28] <ben123is> the board does have pci slots but i don't have a pci card at hand
[11:30] <ben123is> oh well. i'll look for one
[12:00] <Rich_li_ny> Power management:   System does not shut down properly.  Monitor goes blank but in a very dark room I can very faintly see Xbuntu bar unloading in monitor.  Also when exiting to a command prompt I get this: " [17179569.184000]   ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP  "  System worked properly with xp and puppy.  What do I have to change to correct this problem?
[12:01] <derjens> hi there
[12:02] <derjens> i am looking for a distro i can install on a friend's computer but she is not familiar with linux nor with english language. is there a german translation in xubuntu?
[12:02] <Grey_Loki> Yep
[12:02] <derjens> i am not interested in german install instruction -- just the desktop and the apps
[12:02] <Grey_Loki> Just select the language when you boot, IIRC.
[12:03] <derjens> sounds really easy:)
[12:03] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, it is
[12:03] <Grey_Loki> Let me have a check for sure befor eyou go
[12:03] <derjens> do you think that a linux novice will be able to handle xubuntu? all she wants to do is to load photos from her digital camera und write some letters maybe
[12:04] <derjens> Grey_Loki, thanks a lot
[12:04] <Rich_li_ny> Derjens:  absolutely...
[12:04] <Grey_Loki> derjens, it's by far the easiest distro i've ever used
[12:04] <Grey_Loki> Sit next to her for an hour and teach her the basics, then she'll be away, just like that.
[12:04] <derjens> okay, i've already downloaded the cd image -- when i've got a cd burner again i will burn it and give xubuntu a try
[12:05] <Rich_li_ny> It will probably be easier for her then windoze.
[12:05] <derjens> once she's understood the basics it's easier for her, of course. it's just that some distros are a bit complicated for newbies
[12:06] <Grey_Loki> !language
[12:06] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:06] <Grey_Loki> Hrmpfh.
[12:06] <derjens> :-)
[12:06] <Grey_Loki> I can't seem to find the setting. I remember selecting a language somewhere - it was most probably -during- the Xubuntu setup.
[12:07] <derjens> well, if you say there should be a translation i will try to find it. i just wanted to ask whether you say that there are no translations at all or so
[12:08] <derjens> thank you so far!
[12:09] <grumpymole> Applications --> System --> Lanugage Support
[12:09] <derjens> i guess i will come back when i have some questions about installing or using xubuntu but i am optimistic that it's easy...
[12:09] <derjens> oh
[12:09] <derjens> grumpymole, thanks. is German in the list?
[12:10] <grumpymole> yip, and lots more
[12:10] <derjens> wonderful
[12:10] <derjens> this was really useful!
[12:10] <Grey_Loki> Heh - I was looking in 'Settings'
[12:10] <derjens> have a nice day, guys
[12:10] <grazie> derjens: if the install machine has less than 192mb of ram you need the alternate cd for installation
[12:10] <derjens> and thanks a lot for your help
[12:11] <derjens> grazie, yes, i've already read about this
[12:13] <grumpymole> Grey_Loki: The only logic I can of for that is that Language is a system-wide setting, while the other settings are more on a per-application basis.
[12:13] <grumpymole> I looked there first as well.
[12:18] <akhonda97> does anyone know.. how (and if) xubuntu is supported for PPC platform?
[12:25] <grazie> akhonda97: ppc is still available but formal support stopped with dapper (6.06)
[12:25] <akhonda97> ... some reason i thought it was later builds it was stopped *sigh*
[12:26] <akhonda97> ty though
[12:26] <grazie> akhonda97: it is unfortunate, but edgy and feisty are still available for ppc
[12:27] <akhonda97> yea i know. but it's a pain in the rear getting airport to work, the trackpad to full speed, etc etc.
[12:27] <akhonda97> i just put xubuntu on an 10yr old dell tower i had sitting around.. i've tried ubuntu on my ibook before
[12:27] <akhonda97> (need to fix widescreen res issue though.. grrrrr)
[12:28] <delcoyote> hi all , have a question, i installed ubuntu 5.10 server install and added xfce4, this is not xubuntu, true? and if i had installed xubuntu-desktop instead? wold it be xubuntu?
[01:43] <Slick> hey guys, I've just started using xubuntu.  I've noticed that open office doesn't look very good under xfce, I did a google and someone suggested that you should install openoffice-gtk, does anyone know how to do that?
[01:45] <Grey_Loki> I'd imagine sudo apt-get install openoffice-gtk
[01:45] <Slick> cheers, I'll give it a try
[01:45] <Grey_Loki> !openoffice-gtk
[01:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openoffice-gtk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Grey_Loki> !openoffice
[01:46] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[01:50] <Slick> na it couldn't find the package information for that
[02:10] <Merchelo> did you try the universal binaires
[02:11] <stupidnoob420> ok, hi, i am not new to linux, having used a few other distros years ago, (mandrake slack redhat etc) but it's been so long, and I've forgotten near everything, but i just installed xubuntu, was tired of windows again, and wanted something lightweight and fast, with good security, and this looked like the best option. so, i am having two problems. the first, my second hdd wont mount correctly and give my super user account rw permis
[02:14] <stupidnoob420> oh and i looked and looked for the asoundrc file to delete, but it is nowhere at all, and i got the kat file search package, and just cant get it to search right or something, so yeah, i cant find that to delete it
[02:14] <stupidnoob420> but i did reinstall sound packages
[02:14] <stupidnoob420> and also did the drivers myself, choosing from the list, and then changing the file to read it at boot
[02:14] <stupidnoob420> still nothing
[02:15] <stupidnoob420> wow this room is so dead
[02:16] <grazie> stupidnoob420: hang on
[02:16] <stupidnoob420> sweet
[02:16] <grazie> lets me read through tyour problems
[02:16] <stupidnoob420> ok
[02:16] <stupidnoob420> i wasnt even sure anyone was in here, thanks man
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> lol @ 77 idle users
[02:17] <grazie> 1st ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> right
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> i know that
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> used sude
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> sudo
[02:17] <stupidnoob420> oh, and i am on dapper
[02:18] <grazie> ' sudo su' is effectively root
[02:18] <stupidnoob420> i know
[02:18] <stupidnoob420> but
[02:18] <stupidnoob420> for the hdd
[02:18] <stupidnoob420> i cannot read it as my user account
[02:19] <stupidnoob420> only after i enabled root and logged in there was i allowed access
[02:19] <stupidnoob420> and even then i cant change it from there
[02:19] <grazie> how are you mounting?
[02:19] <stupidnoob420> with the disks utility in system
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> and i got a write up from a related forum, to do it manually and all
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> but hdd isnt my main concern
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> i have my data from it
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> with some shuffling and such as root user
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> i just want some sound
[02:20] <stupidnoob420> access to the drive is not a priority at this time
[02:20] <grazie> has sount worked at all yet>?
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> right at initial install
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> then i got automatix
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> and firefox
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> some other packages
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> from synaptic
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> educational and science stuff mainly
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> and now nothing works
[02:21] <grazie> you did an update and lost sound?
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> pretty much
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> yeah
[02:21] <stupidnoob420> i think it was after apt-get update
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> so ghey
[02:22] <grazie> sorting sound problems on irc isn't easy
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> its been so long since ive used linux
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> lol
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> yeahhh
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> well
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> i was bored
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> and had a few extra hours
[02:22] <stupidnoob420> so i figured id check
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> if you cant thats fine man
[02:23] <grazie> I'll look up some good links. assume you've checked the mixer?
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> oh yeah
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> of course
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> like a million times
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> in terminal and the gui
[02:23] <stupidnoob420> both
[02:23] <Grey_Loki> For your second problem, i'd find it by running sudo slocate -u, then slocate <file>.
[02:24] <stupidnoob420> the hdd?
[02:24] <Grey_Loki> No, trying to find asoundrc.
[02:24] <stupidnoob420> ohhh
[02:24] <stupidnoob420> cool, thanks
[02:24] <grazie> stupidnoob420: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:24] <stupidnoob420> ill do that
[02:25] <Grey_Loki> I've never managed to not find anything with slocate.
[02:25] <grazie> stupidnoob420: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[02:25] <stupidnoob420> oh, ive never seen that link
[02:25] <stupidnoob420> oops
[02:26] <stupidnoob420> ive never seen that link
[02:26] <stupidnoob420> thanks
[02:26] <stupidnoob420> im gonna find this file then go through that
[02:26] <stupidnoob420> and if i cant get it, i can send them the outputs, and they will help?
[02:27] <grazie> stupidnoob420: send who?
[02:27] <stupidnoob420> to their bug reports
[02:27] <grazie> if you think there's a bug yes
[02:28] <grazie> best chat online with any queries you have
[02:28] <stupidnoob420> thanks
[02:29] <grazie> if noone can help when you ask, crimsun is know lots about sound
[02:39] <sn0> hey peeps, got a xfce session with rhythmbox running, the popup player dialog theme is a different colour than rhythmbox, where to troubleshoot this ?
[02:41] <sn0> im uploading a pic if that makes it easier to understand
[02:43] <sn0> http://img9.imagepile.net/view.php?file=4766screen.png
[03:08] <stevethepirate> hi. Would adding xfce to a kubuntu system be a bad idea?
[03:08] <hyper_ch> stevethepirate: no, why should it?
[03:09] <stevethepirate> just wanna know if it could cause any problems
[03:09] <stevethepirate> would "sudo apt-get xfce" work?
[03:09] <stevethepirate> Or is it more complicated
[03:09] <stevethepirate> * [forgot install] 
[03:10] <stevethepirate> hyper_ch: ?
[03:26] <hyper_ch> stevethepirate: better to use sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <hyper_ch> wow, the ops in #php get so easily pissed off
[03:39] <Merchelo> maybe it's because they have to work with php all day
[03:39] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: just got banned again
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: asked if someone has a php/mysql/ajax tree script to recommend
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: the op said I should use search engine and my brain
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: I did that all monring without finding anything
[03:40] <psb154> lol
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: I asked him why he thinks I haven't done so
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: he says because I'm asking this
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: he just said it's kind of bullshit
[03:41] <Merchelo> heh, jaysis, sounds like someone's "that time of the month"
[03:41] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: and I critized him for replaying in such a manner and told him maybe he should usehis brain also before giving such comments
[03:41] <psb154> lol
[03:42] <hyper_ch> anyone here knows a good php/mysql/ajax Tree script?
[03:51] <albert> use a search engine!
[03:51] <albert> :D
[04:53] <amsmith42hs> gxine flakey?
[05:08] <grazie> amsmith42hs: not that I'm aware of, but I very rarely use it.
[05:10] <amsmith42hs> It keeps crashing on me when I try to play from the built in playlist. "Message from Xine Engine" but the window is blank. I have to kill it.
[05:10] <amsmith42hs> No big deal.
[05:12] <grazie> amsmith42hs: have you tried launching from a terminal to see any other error messages?
[05:12] <amsmith42hs> No.
[05:13] <grazie> any message would be helpful in tracking the problem down
[05:13] <amsmith42hs> Ah.
[05:13] <amsmith42hs> Unable to resolve.
[05:13] <amsmith42hs> No crashing from there.
[05:14] <grazie> amsmith42hs: maybe you've got some duff or out of date parameters in the gui menu?
[05:14] <amsmith42hs> Oh, wait...gtk-critical
[05:15] <amsmith42hs>  gtk_style_detach: assertion `style->attach_count > 0' failed
[05:16] <amsmith42hs> Now it crashed.
[05:17] <amsmith42hs> It really doesn't like not finding the URL or plugin
[05:17] <amsmith42hs> Anyway, I've got other things to do. I was just curious.
[05:17] <grazie> amsmith42hs: doesn't ring any bells....worth searching with the output you get. Is your system up to date?
[05:18] <drewzf> ooh
[05:18] <drewzf> so Xubuntu did release a feisty beta
[05:18] <drewzf> new artwork?
[05:19] <grazie> drewzf: absolutely :) 'tis good too!
[05:19] <amsmith42hs> grazie: Just installed Xubuntu 6.10
[05:20] <amsmith42hs> grazie: Installed all the codecs I found in add/remove
[05:20] <grazie> drewzf: the release candidate may be out today...haven't check myself
[05:20] <drewzf> ooh
[05:21] <drewzf> I think I'm gonna do xubuntu-desktop, screw gnome. xfce is so fast.
[05:21] <drewzf> The last time I tried it was breezy and it was pretty ugly :\
[05:21] <grazie> amsmith42hs: to be honest i don't know what your problme is. You could search with google and in launchpad and try using another media player
[05:22] <amsmith42hs> grazie: Thanks. I will probably do that later when I'm bored :P
[05:22] <grazie> amsmith42hs: file a bug report if you find nothing that helps
[05:22] <amsmith42hs> OK
[05:22] <drewzf> oh no not bubbles :P
[05:23] <drewzf> oooh
[05:23] <drewzf> Xubuntu does look secksy
[05:24] <drewzf> I like some of the themes proposed better than the ones implemented
[05:24] <drewzf> oh yeah, definitely going with Xubuntu when I get home
[05:25] <grazie> drewzf: glad to hear that!
[05:31] <grazie> amsmith42hs: just noticed your comment about add/remove codecs. Don't think all available codecs can be installed that way.
[05:31] <grazie> !codeds | amsmith42hs
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codeds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <grazie> !codecs | amsmith42hs
[05:31] <ubotu> amsmith42hs: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:28] <Maximilian1st> Hi folks, I am trying to install some alpha wireless app that is looking for linux/wireless.h and complains about it being not available, does anybody have a clue what it is looking for?
[06:29] <Maximilian1st> By the way, I'm trying to install this wireless manager http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig
[06:29] <Maximilian1st> It's work in progress but looks promising for the Xfce DE.
[06:30] <Pumpernickel> You'll need the kernel headers for that.
[06:31] <Maximilian1st> Thank you Pumpernickel. I installed madwifi from svn, that is probably why it can't find the sources or headers.
[06:33] <rraajj> Is XFCe 4.4.1 in the Edgy repos? Or is there a separate XFCE repo for Xubuntu (just like what Kubuntu has for it's KDE updates)?
[06:35] <Maximilian1st> 4.4.1 hasn't reached feisty so I doubt it to be in edgy for the moment.
[06:36] <rraajj> Okay... So 4.3.9 is the latest XFCE release in the repos as of now?
[06:36] <rraajj> ... Which looks like it.
[06:36] <rraajj> Either that, or my package manager has gone wild. :P
[06:37] <Maximilian1st> Feisty comes out in a small two weeks or less, not sure, and has 4.4.0
[06:37] <Maximilian1st> say, 4.3.9 with somes bugfixes.
[06:37] <rraajj> Oh, okay. Thanks, Maximilian1st. :)
[06:51] <WaxyFresh> what the package called that controls window transparancy?
[06:54] <Pumpernickel> `transset`, but if you're using the Xfce compossitor, you can use alt+mousewheel on the window borders.
[06:55] <WaxyFresh> i dont have a nouse wheel
[06:56] <Maximilian1st> without the compositor it hides and unhides the window.
[06:57] <Maximilian1st> also without alt it does it ;-7
[06:57] <Maximilian1st> ;-/
[06:59] <WaxyFresh> ive got transset installed but all it does isturn my curser nto a plus sign,how do i use it?
[07:00] <Arkh> WaxyFresh, click!
[07:03] <grazie> WaxyFresh: to set up compositor on edgy (& dapper) >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[07:32] <WaxyFresh> ok i followed the guide to set up composting but my xserver crashed
[07:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:33] <WaxyFresh> ello!
[07:33] <WaxyFresh> !hi
[07:33] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[07:34] <slow-motion> hi WaxyFresh, ubotu
[07:36] <WaxyFresh> !bot
[07:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:36] <WaxyFresh> hes just a bot but do you have a question?
[07:36] <Arkh> !xfce
[07:36] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[07:37] <WaxyFresh> what does xfce stand for? xforce?
[07:37] <WaxyFresh> !transet
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about transet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <WaxyFresh> !transset
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about transset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <TheSheep> !botabuse | WaxyFresh
[07:37] <ubotu> WaxyFresh: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:37] <grazie> WaxyFresh: did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[07:41] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[07:41] <malcolmb> guys, I'm loving xubuntu
[07:42] <hyper_ch> I love my gf
[07:42] <kalikiana_> Well, there are differences in the meaning of "love" ;)
[07:53] <WaxyFresh> !love
[07:53] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[07:54] <WaxyFresh> grazie, ill pastebin it
[07:54] <grazie> WaxyFresh: ok
[07:54] <WaxyFresh> grazie, i just looked at the howto againand its for  dapper/edgy
[07:54] <WaxyFresh> is there one for fiesty?
[07:55] <grazie> fiesty has compositor set up already
[07:55] <WaxyFresh> HMMM
[07:55] <WaxyFresh> im on fiesty
[07:56] <WaxyFresh> and transset dosent do anything to my windows when i click
[07:56] <WaxyFresh> opacity 0xc0000000
[07:56] <WaxyFresh> Set Property to 0.75
[07:56] <WaxyFresh> thats the output of clicking on xchat
[07:57] <WaxyFresh> would that be all i would have to do?
[07:57] <grazie> WaxyFresh: Just turn it on with Applications > Settings > Windows Manager Tweaks
[07:59] <h3sp4wn> WaxyFresh: Its amusing the debian name for firefox came from that old bsd fortune (!love)
[07:59] <WaxyFresh> (!love) is  a matt groeing quote
[08:00] <WaxyFresh> cool thanks i got it
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> WaxyFresh: who is matt groeing ?
[08:01] <WaxyFresh> creator of the simpsons
[08:02] <WaxyFresh> its from some comic he wrote a long time ago
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> Groening - (I thought it was someone else) its been in bsd's fortunes for ages
[08:05] <WaxyFresh> probly as long as (!grue)
[08:20] <pagefault> I got the fiesty beta and it keeps accessing my floppy drive
[08:20] <pagefault> any ideas?
[08:20] <pagefault> it won't boot
[08:20] <Arkh> do you have a floppy inserted?
[08:21] <pagefault> no I don't
[08:21] <Arkh> weird..
[08:23] <pagefault> do you guys use the same installer as ubuntu?
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> I always use the alternative installer
[08:23] <pagefault> I don't think I had that option
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> its a seperate iso
[08:23] <pagefault> ah hmm
[08:23] <pagefault> I will give that a go
[08:24] <grazie> pagefault: ubuntu & xubuntu use the same installer
[08:24] <pagefault> hmm
[08:24] <pagefault> it happens on all my P965 boards
[08:24] <pagefault> perhaps a kernel issue
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> pagefault: use feisty
[08:26] <pagefault> I am
[08:26] <grazie> pagefault: does seem odd.... at what stage is floppy access attempted?
[08:26] <pagefault> just after the logo appears
[08:26] <pagefault> then it's constant floppy access
[08:26] <pagefault> then it gives up
[08:27] <Arkh> so grub comes out?
[08:27] <pagefault> yeah
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> pagefault: (the ubuntu graphical installer is traditionally junk)
[08:27] <grazie> pagefault: you tried turning the splash screen off?
[08:27] <grazie> to see the messages
[08:27] <pagefault> how can I do that?
[08:28] <grazie> nosplash boot option I think...lmme check
[08:28] <Arkh> pagefault,
[08:28] <Arkh> on boot up
[08:28] <Arkh> press e
[08:28] <Arkh> then move with the arrows on the kernel line
[08:28] <Arkh> press e again
[08:28] <Arkh> and delete the "quiet splash" part
[08:29] <Arkh> press b
[08:29] <Arkh> and you'll get all the errors
[08:29] <pagefault> i'll grab the alt install
[08:29] <pagefault> also
[08:29] <pagefault> just to be sure
[08:30] <pagefault> is grub vista aware
[08:30] <pagefault> as in it won't make it not bootable?
[08:31] <pagefault> well I need both for work
[08:31] <pagefault> so it's not a choice for me
[08:32] <grazie> yeah sure...my sympathy
[08:32] <eevar> xubuntu have the same release date as the gnome version?
[08:33] <Arkh> yup
[08:33] <somerville32> pagefault, I would think that it would work just fine. : )
[08:33] <pagefault> if it makes you feel better
[08:33] <pagefault> I didn't pay for it
[08:33] <pagefault> the office did
[08:33] <Arkh> someone paid for it anyways :P
[08:36] <eevar> neat. what's involved in upgrading from beta to stable? nothing but apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade?
[08:36] <pagefault> just change your sources in sources.list
[08:36] <pagefault> then do an update then dist-upgrade
[08:37] <somerville32> eevar: If you are already using the feisty then just do apt-get upgrade - no need to do anything else.
[08:37] <Slick_> hello fellow xubuntu users!
[08:37] <pagefault> ah beta to stable
[08:38] <eevar> sweet. I'm off to grab the torrent then
[08:39] <somerville32> If you're running edgy you don't need to reinstall
[08:39] <somerville32> You can upgrade. Do what pagefault said to do.
[08:39] <hyper_ch> somerville32: shouldn't it be a dist-upgrade?
[08:40] <somerville32> hyper_ch: If he is going from edgy->feisty, yes.
[08:40] <hyper_ch> somerville32: and from beta to stable isn't it also a dist-upgrade?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> dist-upgrade should be unnecessary on stable (or nearly stable) unless they put stuff in updates
[08:41] <pagefault> dist-upgrade will take care of any conflicts
[08:41] <hyper_ch> btw, hiya somerville32 ^^
[08:41] <somerville32> Hiya :)
[08:42] <hyper_ch> I will miss the daily updates once it's stable :(
[08:44] <grazie> I did a test edgy > feisty upgrade and ended up using an extra 400/500mb disk space than a clean feisty install. Seems too much  extra to me. Didn't find any bug report with this problem though
[08:44] <somerville32> Then upgrade to Gutsy ;] 
[08:45] <grazie> !gutsy
[08:45] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[08:45] <somerville32> grazie, Maybe it is because upgrading upgrades all your packages?
[08:45] <hyper_ch> is gutsy the name for the 7.10?
[08:45] <hyper_ch> cool :)
[08:45] <limbert65> Can you be clear for me what you mean by "clean" install?  I'm not always sure I know what that means.
[08:45] <somerville32> grazie, A clean install only installs the default packages.
[08:46] <limbert65> So that just means doing a disk-upgrade without having extra repositories enabled (or something like that)?
[08:46] <grazie> somerville32: maybe. I couldn't figure out where the extra spaces was being used, but 400/500mb is a lot
[08:46] <limbert65> dist-upgrade, I mean
[08:47] <somerville32> grazie, Did you do a clean install of Edgy then upgraded to Feisty? Or did you install other packages before you upgraded?
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> install a text only system and just what you want to use
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> and compare the amount of junk running to an install with xubuntu-desktop and related garbage
[08:48] <grazie> somerville32: yeah I did clean edgy to feisty and compared with clean feisty
[08:49] <somerville32> I doubt it is a bug.
[08:49] <somerville32> Just running your computer uses up disk space.
[08:49] <somerville32> logging, swap, etc. etc.
[08:50] <somerville32> And it is also possible that certain packages were dropped from the Feisty default install.
[08:50] <somerville32> So I really really doubt it is a bug and 500mb is nothing.
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> 400-500 mb of deb's in /var/cache/apt/archives probably (unless you cleared those out)
[08:51] <grazie> I didn't report it as could give any explanation/data of any worth, but I'm sure that 400/500mb is too much extra even after cleaning up
[08:51] <grazie> couldn't*
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> seriously though xubuntu-desktop adds a huge amount of stuff you probably don't want (well it had loads of stuff I don't want)
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> s/had/has
[08:53] <limbert65> The frustrating problem I am having after upgrading from Edgy to Feisty is that some applications (Rhythmbox, Sound Juicer and PenguinTV) are just totally unstable.  They all crash or freeze after doing something simple like changing a view setting or opening the preferences.  Doing "completely remove" and reinstalling doesn't help.  Where do you look to solve something like that?
[08:57] <Pumpernickel> Launch them from a Terminal and see if you can catch any error messages.
[08:57] <Slick_> hey guys I've got a suggestion for the next xubuntu
[08:58] <emdash> okay, i'm using edgy on a lapotp, what's the best way to get it to automatically suspend at critical battery level. I tried using the battery monitor applet, but it runs with user privliges and can't put the machine to sleep.
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> Slick_: http://features.ubuntu.com/
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> blah
[08:58] <tonyyarusso> features.launchpad.net, but maybe hte other works...
[08:58] <Slick_> right, I'll put it there!
[08:58] <emdash> i tried making a suid root binary to put the machine to sleep, calling it from suspend.sh, but then my screen isn't restored
[08:58] <Slick_> It's gonna blow your minds!
[08:59] <emdash> i think you need root privs for that too
[08:59] <somerville32> Slick_, You can talk about it in #xubuntu-devel
[08:59] <emdash> in fact i think mostof the actions that run in /etc/acpi/lid.sh etc don't really work as a uesr
[08:59] <somerville32> In Ubuntu Dapper, your computer shutsdown at critical
[08:59] <emdash> mine just dies
[09:00] <somerville32> lol
[09:00] <limbert65> exit
[09:00] <limbert65> oops
[09:00] <emdash> is there some system config for setting that
[09:01] <emdash> i don't really want my system to shut down if it still has 5% battery. that's more than enough to keep it alive in sleep mode
[09:01] <somerville32> I wish I could help but I'm usually using a desktop.
[09:02] <emdash> i just don't particularly like the gnome power manager, and all it's dependencies running on my system. not only that, but it doesn't really give you enough control
[09:03] <iNoob> edgy fails to recognize my usb mouse
[09:03] <emdash> i have a hotkey to enable/disable sleep on lide close
[09:03] <emdash> and i can't get that from gnome power manger, for example
[09:03] <emdash> ...well did it work before?
[09:04] <emdash> did it ever work, i should say?
[09:04] <somerville32> iNoob, It should work.
[09:04] <iNoob> nope.
[09:04] <somerville32> Try rebooting?
[09:05] <iNoob> the mouse has power
[09:05] <iNoob> but does nothing
[09:06] <somerville32> Most interesting.
[09:06] <somerville32> File a bug? :)
[09:07] <iNoob> I had the same problem on puppy linux
[09:08] <somerville32> Does it work in Windows?
[09:08] <iNoob> yes
[09:08] <somerville32> Make and model?
[09:09] <iNoob> wait...
[09:10] <iNoob> sony optical mouse vgp-ums1
[09:12] <somerville32> Interesting.
[09:14] <somerville32> Try disabling plug-and-play OS in your bios. If that doesn't work, re-enable it and we'll try something else.
[09:14] <iNoob> thanks
[09:15] <somerville32> Hey kalikiana_
[09:15] <kalikiana_> Are you eventually at full health again?
[09:15] <somerville32> kalikiana_, Did you get someone to upload the new version of your program?
[09:15] <kalikiana_> Unfortunately not.
[09:16] <somerville32> We'll get it in Gutsy and then backport it :)
[09:16] <tonyyarusso> what program is this?
[09:17] <somerville32> catfish
[09:17] <kalikiana_> somerville32, getdeb.net made a deb already, that made me happy :)
[09:18] <somerville32> hehe
[10:21] <aussieman> * loonie has quit ("Erection reset by queer")
[10:22] <kalikiana_> aussieman, *lol
[10:23] <aussieman> yeh it was on another channel i couldnt resist posting it to waken up soemone
[10:23] <TheSheep> zZZ
[10:23] <posingaspopular> aussieman: dude thats weird...
[10:23] <aussieman> what me psoting it?
 * loonie has quit ("Erection reset by queer")
[10:24] <aussieman> it was on metamute
[10:24] <aussieman> i might not think it is very nice but it is a clevr play on words
[10:25] <posingaspopular> yea it was pretty good
[10:25] <posingaspopular> just offputting a bit
[10:25] <aussieman> eso si
[10:26] <aldin> how can i set up default XFCE settings not the XUBUNTU ones?
[10:27] <posingaspopular> set default
[10:27] <posingaspopular> actually dont try that
[10:27] <posingaspopular> because im guessing/dont know at all
[10:28] <TheSheep> aldin: probably removing (back them up!) files from /etc/xdg would work
[10:29] <aldin> TheSheep, should i "rm" xdg folder too or leave it empty?
[10:30] <TheSheep> aldin: leave it empty
[10:31] <aldin> ok
[10:32] <aldin> btw, what i set to have xgl... like startkde & gnome-session, what is for xfce?
[10:33] <TheSheep> aldin: xfce4-session
[10:33] <TheSheep> aldin: or xstartxfce4
[10:33] <TheSheep> startxfce4
[10:33] <TheSheep> sorry
[10:33] <aldin> ok, thanks a lot for helping me though
[10:34] <TheSheep> both should work
[10:35] <slow-motion> n8
[10:42] <aldin> TheSheep, it didint work...
[10:43] <TheSheep> aldin: how so?
[10:44] <aldin> my session laste 10 secs error mesage
[10:44] <aldin> /etc/xdg cleaned..
[10:44] <TheSheep> aldin: what do you have in the session .desktop file?
[10:44] <aldin> backed up
[10:44] <TheSheep> ah, you mean with the xfce settings?
[10:44] <aldin> yap
[10:45] <TheSheep> aldin: restore it and only remove the /etc/xdg/xfce4
[10:45] <TheSheep> aldin: leave xfce4-session
[10:45] <aldin> ok
[10:45] <aldin> autostart  menus  Thunar  xfce4  xfce4-session  xubuntu
[10:45] <aldin> that is i /etc/xdg folder
[10:46] <TheSheep> I should have thought about it that xfce is nort the only app that uses xdg :)
[10:46] <aldin> so which one?
[10:46] <TheSheep> xfce4
[10:46] <TheSheep> has the defeult settings
[10:46] <TheSheep> default
[10:46] <aldin> what to left here what to move form here?
[10:47] <TheSheep> move the xfce4 folder somewhere
[10:47] <aldin> ok
[10:47] <TheSheep> aldin: btw, xfce's defult settings are not worth all the effort ;)
[10:47] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:48] <TheSheep> hi hyper_ch
[10:48] <aldin> TheSheep, hehe
[10:48] <TheSheep> aldin: oh, you can also install your own xfce
[10:48] <hyper_ch> hiho Grandmaster Sheep
[10:48] <TheSheep> aldin: that'd give you the advantage of using a newer version
[10:49] <TheSheep> alnokta: but don't ask me how to arrange things so that the versions don't conflict :/
[10:49] <TheSheep> alnokta: sorry, that was for ald
[10:49] <TheSheep> he left
[10:49] <TheSheep> :/
[10:49] <aldin> TheSheep, nothing again
[10:50] <aldin> cant log in
[10:50] <alnokta> TheSheep, hi man! :)
[10:50] <TheSheep> aldin: well, restore it and see if it works :/
[10:50] <aldin> gnome works...
[10:50] <TheSheep> aldin: of course, gnome doesn't use anything from /etc/xdg
[10:51] <TheSheep> aldin: it has its own gconf
[10:51] <mzanfardino> I've recently installed xfce on my ubuntu dapper server (I need a light-wieght X server to run an instance of firefox for testing).  I did NOT install xubuntu-desktop (for reasons just stated).  I can get xfce up and running, but I can't shut it down (or log off for that matter).  What packages should I include to give met his basic functionality?
[10:51] <pangibygg> my internet runs reaaaally slow when i run the installed version of xubuntu, but normal when running liveCD, cant find why.. ?
[10:51] <aldin> TheSheep, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15278/
[10:51] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: xfce4-session probably
[10:52] <aldin> ah, nevermind i am sleepy bye see ya
[10:52] <TheSheep> pangibygg: try this
[10:52] <TheSheep> !ipv6 | pangibygg
[10:52] <ubotu> pangibygg: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:52] <pangibygg> thx ill have a look
[10:54] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: sadly that package already appears to be installed.  I have successfully used ps auxf | grep xfce to locate the PID of the top-layer process and killed it (thus killing the session), but it's not the cleanest of methods...
[10:56] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: how did you start xfce?
[10:56] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: from cli with startxfce4
[10:57] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: try with xfce4-session isntead
[10:57] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: I have installed just the bare minimum: xfce4, xinit, xserver-xorg, xfonts-base, xffm4 and mozilla-firefox...
[10:57] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: will do
[10:57] <TheSheep> hmm... actually, you'd have to put xfce4-session to your .xsession and then run startx
[10:58] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: xfce4-session returns an error stating it can not open the display
[10:58] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: yes, you need to have X started before that
[10:58] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: if you add it to .xsession, it should work
[10:59] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: ok. mind you, I don't want the x session to load on boot.  I want to merely start it long enough to work with firefox, then be able to unload it cleanly, as this is a production server.
[10:59] <TheSheep> sure
[10:59] <TheSheep> you don't have gdm, so X won't load on boot
[10:59] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: ok, I wasn't clear on that, but that clears things up
[11:00] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: you can also just do 'startx' and then 'xfce4-session' in that terminal that will appear, but that's manual
[11:00] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: I will give that a shot first.  btw, where can I find .xsession?
[11:01] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: create it in your home directory
[11:01] <sigmamu188> whats a good program for authoring xvid files to dvd
[11:01] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: just a text file
[11:01] <neuton> hello all
[11:01] <TheSheep> sigmamu188: I'm not sure, but I think that k3b can burn dvd video discs
[11:02] <neuton> I re-installed xubuntu edgy cause of a problem I had,however I forgot how to set it up to read my windows partition for music?
[11:02] <TheSheep> !ntfs | neuton
[11:02] <ubotu> neuton: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:02] <neuton> can you guys help or give me the website again on how to install the packages?
[11:02] <neuton> yes The Sheep
[11:02] <sigmamu188> ! k3b
[11:02] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[11:02] <sigmamu188> !k3b
[11:04] <mzanfardino> sigmamu188: I've just discovered avidemux...
[11:04] <neuton> ty for the site ubotu
[11:04] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: would the .xsession file the have just the statement 'startxfce4'?
[11:05] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: no, it has to have 'xfce4-session'
[11:06] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: also, my xfce desktop has an application button, but no applications, including no way to unload it.  Is there a package that I can install to give me a shutdown option (not sure this is the way to phrase the question, but it's the end result I'm looking for)
[11:06] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: sorry, my bad, that's what I meant
[11:06] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: yes, just that single line
[11:08] <neuton> Ty for the help guys I got it now, I appreciate and have a good day now
[11:08] <neuton> it*
[11:10] <mzanfardino> TheSheep: can I use .xsession to auto-launch firefox when I run startx?  or is there another way to achieve the same results?
[11:13] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: you can put a launcher in .config/autostart
[11:14] <TheSheep> mzanfardino: if you start firefox in .xsession, they you will be missing the window manager
[11:14] <TheSheep> then
[11:14] <TheSheep> so it wont have the borders around the windows or the window titles
[11:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you know JS?
[11:22] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, some
[11:22] <hyper_ch> and you have a webserver?
[11:22] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, some
[11:22] <hyper_ch> could you try an AJAX suite for me? It's not working... I just keep getting errors
[11:23] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what's the server-side part in?
[11:23] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: building a treestructure of data
[11:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what language
[11:24] <hyper_ch> I want to use it to build sort of a "familiy" tree out of a webboard userbase
[11:24] <hyper_ch> well, the ajax is JS I think
[11:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: ajax is all about making the JS work together with a server-side script
[11:26] <hyper_ch> yes, but haven't looked at it so much yet
[11:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you need both parts running
[11:28] <hyper_ch> it's all *.js files
[11:28] <hyper_ch> well, I guess the tree thingy isn't using ajax but different add-ons are I guess
[11:28] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: then it should just work, even when you open it in a browser from your local disk
[11:28] <hyper_ch> I even made the all files exec just for testing
[11:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: didn't work on the server with php 4.3.x
[11:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and neither on my computer with php 5.x
[11:29] <TheSheep> you say it's all .js
[11:29] <hyper_ch> and apache 2.0 / 2.2
[11:29] <hyper_ch> neither in ff nor msie nor opera
[11:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: show me these files
[11:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that's not working for me:  http://www.notkeriana.ch/stammbaum/tree/
[11:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and this is the site:   http://www.zapatec.com/website/main/products/prod3/index.jsp  (where you can download)
[11:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I used their wizard to generate the index.html site so that I have an idea what I have to output from the php
[11:32] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://www.notkeriana.ch/stammbaum/tree/utils/zapatec.js
[11:32] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you need a+r on all the .js files and a+rx on the directories
[11:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: http://phpfi.com/226193
[11:34] <TheSheep> -rwx--x--x  1 web3 web3 78771 2007-04-12 16:27 zapatec.js
[11:34] <TheSheep> -rwx--x--x  1 web3 web3  2192 2007-04-12 16:26 zapatec-src.js
[11:34] <hyper_ch> oh
[11:34] <hyper_ch> strange
[11:35] <TheSheep> :)
[11:35] <hyper_ch> now it works
[11:36] <TheSheep> seems to work now
[11:36] <hyper_ch> I LOVE YOU!!!
[11:36] <TheSheep> bleh
[11:36] <hyper_ch> just kidding
[11:36] <hyper_ch> well, I did recursively enable exec
[11:36] <hyper_ch> because I thought it might be a problem there
[11:36] <hyper_ch> but I didn't look at read rights because I'm used to that group and world always has read rights
[11:36] <TheSheep> you only need +x on the directories
[11:37] <hyper_ch> :) I'll upload it tomorrow again
[11:37] <hyper_ch> at the main directory
[11:37] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: awfully elaborate and complicated code for something as simple as a tree view
[11:37] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, do you have simpler code that looks like this?
[11:38] <TheSheep> looks is all just a matter of css
[11:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, my css isn't good :)
[11:38] <hyper_ch> but that would rock somehow :)
[11:38] <TheSheep> all you need is 2 lines of JS that will change the class on your <ul> when you click it -- to collapse/expand nodes
[11:39] <hyper_ch> I don't even need collapsing
[11:39] <hyper_ch> I will then use ajax to display infos for the people
[11:39] <hyper_ch> I'll have a closer look at it tomorrow :)
[11:39] <TheSheep> why not a normal page?
[11:39] <hyper_ch> what normal page?
[11:40] <TheSheep> well, make it look like tree that's all expanded, and use normal links to display info about people...
[11:40] <TheSheep> yu could actually include the tree with different nodes expanded on different pages
[11:40] <hyper_ch> gonna use ajax for tooltips :)
[11:40] <hyper_ch> oh well :)
[11:41] <hyper_ch> I was just sitting at this all afternoon long
[11:41] <TheSheep> tooltips are build-in
[11:41] <hyper_ch> and asked myself why isn't it working
[11:41] <TheSheep> just put a title="foo" attribute inside a tag
[11:41] <hyper_ch> I'll deal with it tomorrow :)
[11:42] <hyper_ch> btw, you already got Etch installed? *g*
[11:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, no free space at the moment
[11:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: gotta burn some dvd's
[11:42] <hyper_ch> I meant on the servers
[11:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: we don't use debian on servers
[11:43] <hyper_ch> why not?
[11:43] <hyper_ch> debian is rockstable... never had a problem ever since I have my server and that's almost 2 years now :)
[11:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because we have an own distribution for that -- I work together with several devs of it, so it's more convenient
[11:44] <hyper_ch> what kind of own distro?
[11:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: PLD
[11:44] <hyper_ch> and what does it make favourable?
[11:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the fact that we have the devs as employees
[11:45] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://pld-linux.org/
[11:45] <hyper_ch> and for outsiders?
[11:45] <hyper_ch> german wiki :)
[11:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Polish
[11:46] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ah, just teh default howto use this page :)
[11:46] <hyper_ch> rest is in english :)
[11:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: for outsiders -- well, I don't see any advantages over debian, but the devs would probably not agree with me :)
[11:47] <hyper_ch> red hat based... so no apt?
[11:48] <hyper_ch> btw, http://forum.pld-linux.org/ --> Unable to connect
[11:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, but it takes advantage of rpms much more than red hat -- it's actually pretty distant from redhat philosophy
[11:48] <hyper_ch> I thought apt is a better package manager than rpm?
[11:48] <hyper_ch> <-- noob :) but learning
[11:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: they are comparable, actually
[11:49] <hyper_ch> the only thing I read is that apt is considered superior :)
[11:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's more about how you organize everything and split into packages
[11:49] <hyper_ch> if you let me handle apt it'll be worse than what m$ does
[11:50] <hyper_ch> got a point there on how to use it
[11:50] <hyper_ch> Linux looses the google fight against windows :(
[11:52] <mange20> hey. i have no sound, even though sound card is detected (lspci), it's not muted. what's wrong?
[11:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I'm happy with Debian :)
[11:52] <hyper_ch> mange20: speakers connected?
[11:52] <mange20> yes i run on my laptop btw
[11:52] <hyper_ch> mange20: correctly connected...
[11:52] <hyper_ch> oh ^^
[11:52] <TheSheep> mange20: volume >0 in the xfce4-mixer?
[11:53] <TheSheep> mange20: does 'lsmod | grep snd' show anything?
[11:54] <mange20> yep 20 lines of something
[11:54] <mange20> how to find xfce4-mixer? (im new, windows before.)
[11:54] <TheSheep> mange20: if you have a volume control on your panel, then just click on the whistle icon
[11:55] <TheSheep> mange20: if not, press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-mixer'
[11:55] <mange20> ok got it. its all empty, nothing to adjust
[11:56] <mange20> File>Options Device, i have tested both default and #0
[11:56] <TheSheep> mange20: is your user in the audio group?
[11:56] <TheSheep> mange20: you can check in system->users and groups
[11:57] <TheSheep> hi maxamillion
[11:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: hello
[11:57] <mange20> yep. Use audio devices is checked
[11:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: how has the chan been today?
[11:57] <TheSheep> maxamillion: phear my l33t pixel-fu: http://sheep.art.pl/icon/hint.png
[11:58] <maxamillion> TheSheep: rock-tastic
[11:58] <TheSheep> mange20: open a terminal, and type 'lsmod | grep snd'
[11:58] <mange20> yep
[11:58] <mange20> done
[11:59] <TheSheep> mange20: displayed anything at all?
[11:59] <mange20> yes. like 20 lines of text
[11:59] <TheSheep> that means it has the kernel modules loaded :/
[12:00] <mange20> bad sign? :P
[12:00] <TheSheep> mange20: try 'cat //dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[12:00] <TheSheep> soprry
[12:00] <TheSheep> mange20: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'
[12:01] <TheSheep> hear anything?
[12:01] <mange20> Device or resourse busy
[12:01] <hyper_ch> I'm off to bed, thx for the help TheSheep
[12:01] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: sweet dreams
[12:01] <mange20> ok i shut down xmms, but i dont hear anything no :(
[12:01] <hyper_ch> thx:)
[12:01] <TheSheep> mange20: try running 'aumix'
[12:03] <mange20> yep. vol is on max..
[12:03] <TheSheep> mange20: all of them?
[12:03] <TheSheep> mange20: and all have a green 'P' next to them?
[12:04] <mange20> no just Vol. mic = 0  Igain like 50
[12:04] <TheSheep> mange20: you need Vol and Pcm
[12:05] <mange20> ok. i have no green P at all
[12:06] <TheSheep> mange20: maybe just a different version of aumix
[12:06] <mange20> maybe, i wrote sudo apt-get install aumix, then i ran aumix
[12:06] <TheSheep> mange20: try 'sudo aumix', maybe it's just that one user who can't play...
[12:08] <mange20> no difference :/
[12:08] <TheSheep> mange20: any physical mute button or volume adjustment on your laptop? :)
[12:09] <mange20> nope. double checked =)
[12:09] <TheSheep> that's it, I'm out of ideas
[12:09] <mange20> ok thx for the help
[12:09] <TheSheep> mange20: maybe look at the forums for your soundcard make and model
[12:09] <mange20> i will
[12:11] <grazie> mange20: has sound ever worked?
[12:13] <elvis> can someone help me connect to my windows share folders
[12:15] <TheSheep> elvis: xubuntu doesn't come by default with software for that
[12:15] <TheSheep> elvis: you need something like pyneighbourhood or fusesmb
[12:16] <elvis> will that be kpackage
[12:16] <maxamillion> kpackage?
[12:16] <elvis> i use it for installing things
[12:17] <maxamillion> elvis: did you come from using kubuntu?
[12:17] <elvis> there was one other thing
[12:17] <elvis> how do i use the xfishtank and stuff
[12:17] <elvis> no ubuntu
[12:17] <maxamillion> elvis: oh ... most ubuntu users use synaptic, which is why i asked
[12:18] <elvis> lol i am fussy lol
[12:18] <maxamillion> fair enough
[12:20] <elvis> so how would i activate things like fish tank
[12:20] <maxamillion> fish tank?
[12:21] <elvis> yeah
[12:21] <maxamillion> never heard of it
[12:21] <joepaper> anyone know how to config xfwm4 to not insert a gap between windows when initially placing them?
[12:21] <maxamillion> joepaper: not off the top of my head ... might be in window manager tweaks in the settings panel though
[12:23] <maxamillion> brb
[12:23] <joepaper> maxamillion: i've played around with the tweaks and the regular window mgr settings, but haven't found anything that works
[12:23] <elvis> ok how come some of my screen savers said not installed