=== lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] Mhmm, I vaguely remeber there was a plan to add user notification when a reboot is necessary (e.g. kernel update). I've not seen such a msg yet. Is this feisty+x? [12:49] i'm reading the dot article on strigi, and somebody's comment mentioned kio-fuse as a solution to kio slaves with non-kde apps. has that been considered for kubuntu? === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] well, I would love to have a package done, but the Spanish translations for the KDE Games section is severly broken, so I had to remove a majority of that. I am going to see about getting this fixed. Which kind of stinks considering the time difference === bobesponja [n=pat@bas75-1-82-235-231-205.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:26] WOOHOO! I got everything to finally validate for translations [01:26] ok, so Herd 6 is cancelled, does this affect to release date? [01:27] just need to fix the Spanish translations for games.xml which I don't think I can do, and I need to find out why Rosetta didn't like sl.po file for keeping-safe [01:27] Tm_T: not that I have heard [01:27] that is why I am running around trying to get the docs package translated and packaged [01:28] roger === manchicken [n=manchick@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-186.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] anyone with few moments to spare? [02:15] I need some help with launchpad [02:17] Tm_T: ask [02:18] about importing openpgp gey, there's mention about uploading it to keyserver, but my gpg asks keyserver [02:18] so, hum, I'm kinda lost here [02:20] hate these depressive seasons, nothing works === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] Tm_T: I don't understand [02:23] Tm_T: for launchpad can you just paste your key in no? [02:23] hmm [02:23] Ensure the key has been uploaded to a keyserver. To do this: [02:23] gpg --send-key key-id [02:23] to upload to a keyserver set keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com in ~/.gnupg/options [02:24] ah, yes, just found that too from wiki [02:24] thanks [02:24] and obviously replace "key-id" with the actual hex number [02:24] ofcourse :( [02:24] :) I meant [02:25] oh well, I think I generate new key for this purpose === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] yup, time ti sign CoC [02:46] s/ti/to/ === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@68-182-38-249-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis__lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-205.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@adsl-75-37-101-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis__lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-205.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-205.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-218-80.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yinshuiboy [n=yinshuib@222.20.236.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis__lopez [n=jabba@68-182-38-45-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-205.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.252] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === yinshuiboy [n=yinshuib@222.20.236.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === naught101 [n=naught10@202.43.238.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.179.142] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-laptop [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121ofb.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=eLZo75LB@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:27] hi [10:28] hello Tonio_ [10:31] hi ;) === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-153-61-78.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillais is now known as _marseillais [11:04] Who is packaging kontact? [11:04] not me! === Tm_T hides === freet15 [n=freet15@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is just curious as he is trying to build the enterprise kontact branch just now. [11:06] hunger_t: er? enterprise? [11:06] Tm_T: There is a branch of kontact for enterprises... [11:06] Tm_T: More stable, bla bla... [11:07] hunger_t: and that is what branch? [11:07] Tm_T: CHeck tags/kdepim/*enterprise* in kde SVN. [11:08] oh, haven't seen that before [11:09] I'm mostly fiddling with kdepim-3.5.5+ branch [11:09] Tm_T: the enterprise branch is from the kolab server guys afaik. It is kde 3.5.x based as well. [11:11] Tm_T: Anyway: I do not envy your job:-) That beast is not the nicest to build. [11:13] guys whats with the versioning of libqt3-mt? [11:13] 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5 [11:13] i like it but never seen that used before ;) [11:14] gnomefreak: let me check [11:16] * Revert to Qt 3.3.7. 3.3.8 was not showing a lot of characters [11:16] from CKJ languages. [11:17] but isnt every other lib 3.3.7? [11:17] hm? [11:17] looks like 3.3.6 === gnomefreak is confused. kdebase 3.3.6 and libqt3-mt is 3.3.8 but reverting to 3.3.7 [11:19] shouldnt they all match versions for the most part? [11:19] kdebase? [11:20] kdebase yes it isnt a lib but i was thinking it would bring in the libs needed to run kde and i just assumed they would all match [11:20] kdebase: Installed: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20 [11:21] gnomefreak: no kdebase and libqt are independent (beside kdebase requireing a min verion on libqt) [11:21] oh ok ty [11:21] gnomefreak: you're confusing me a lot [11:21] :) [11:21] even for bein gnomefreak [11:21] its around 5am please forgive me [11:21] being! [11:21] see? [11:22] Tm_T: I know how you feel. I felt it 6 hous ago ;) === gnomefreak has made my way over to kde but shhhh dont tell anyone ;) [11:22] allee: yup, but this has been going on last two years basically :( [11:23] Tm_T: oh! [11:23] allee: how otherwise I would be hanging here? [11:23] lol [11:24] Tm_T: good excuse :) [11:24] and very true at most part [11:28] allee your digikam reached the repos [11:28] :) [11:29] hunger_t: very interesting for gutsy [11:29] Tonio_: yeah, seen it. Thx! [11:29] hunger_t: we should give love to company material and packages in the next dev cycle [11:30] allee: anything interesting to see in digikam ? [11:30] Tm_T: is the things you see in digikam are interesting depends on your photos :) [11:30] hi Tonio_ [11:31] hi LongPointyStick :) [11:31] allee: true there [11:31] allee: just haven't used digikam ever [11:32] Tm_T: We'll I like it a lot :) [11:32] LongPointyStick: are you hobbsee? [11:33] allee: you mean "well" ;) [11:33] who else could it be? [11:33] allee: I [11:33] 'll test it [11:33] LongPointyStick and others, could you test the fix at the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/104794 [11:33] Malone bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [Undecided,Fix committed] [11:33] Riddell: yes [11:34] Riddell: will in a sec, when i reboot [11:35] Riddell: hmm, does it need laptop for testing? [11:35] Tm_T: yes [11:35] Tm_T: well, it wouldn't do any harm to test on as much hardware as possible really [11:36] Riddell: ok, will give it a try :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:39] sebas: still travelling? [11:39] yay, back :) [11:40] Tonio_: able to test too? [11:41] No battery found. [11:41] This is not a laptop, quitting ... === pascalFR [i=eLZo75LB@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:42] Riddell: sure [11:42] Tm_T: perfect :) [11:42] Riddell: that's before patch, now trying with it :p [11:43] I remember it doing something even in this machine before [11:44] so I ended up removing it all the time [11:45] Riddell: yep, that's fixed it for me [11:45] Hobbsee: great [11:45] will have to wait for the battery to discharge a bit, to see if it keeps dropping, of course [11:45] Riddell: what to test ? [11:45] and nothing changed here ofcourse :) [11:45] ho guidance [11:46] so for non-laptops its ok ;) [11:46] Tonio_: bug 104794 [11:46] Malone bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104794 [11:46] hmm, line numbering in that patch is wrong? [11:47] not that it would matter much [11:48] Riddell: In London right now [11:48] Back in NL on Saturday night [11:49] Riddell: seems to work as expected.... [11:49] Riddell: I must say I never had the problem before, so maybe my test isn't efficient [11:50] Riddell: but the patch at least doesn't seem to break anything :) [11:50] Riddell: playing a bit more.... === mbiebl [n=michael@e180088054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] sebas: if you can comment on the sanity of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/104794 comment 7 that would be good [11:52] Malone bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [High,Fix committed] [11:53] Riddell: reports "fully charged" when my battery level is 98% only...... [11:53] Riddell: I'm discharging a bit to make tests [11:54] Tonio_: even with that patch from comment 7? [11:55] Riddell: yup [11:55] Riddell: same at 96%... [11:56] Riddell: yep still the issue here... [12:00] Riddell: hum my problem seems to be different... [12:00] Riddell: no issue on discharging for me, works perfectly here [12:00] Riddell: my issue is on "charging" [12:00] Riddell: reports fully charged whatever is the battery level [12:01] Riddell: seems to go to normal state avec about 20 seconds.... now it says me "blabla time to charge" [12:01] Riddell: seems okay then ;) [12:02] Riddell: everything is okay reguarding to discharging [12:02] and when the battery is fully charged, it doesn't say "discharging", so I'd say the patch works [12:03] Tonio_: ok, phew [12:03] just those 20 seconds when pluging the cable are a bit strange :) but not a problem btw [12:04] that's just how it's done, a port to qt 4 should fix the delay somewhat [12:04] Riddell: have a question, I'm trying to upload digikam to edgy-updates, and whatever I do, I get a: [12:04] Rejected: [12:04] SHA1 sum of uploaded file does not match extant file in archive [12:05] Riddell: I tried with debuild -S or debuild -S -sa (uploading the tarball, untouched) [12:05] I don't understand what the problem is [12:05] is your .orig correct? [12:07] Riddell: yep, downloaded on packages.ubuntu.com, untouched... === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44749.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] Riddell: when I just debuild -S, the orig isn't even uploaded [12:08] looks like it doesn't like the dsc or diff change..... nonsense [12:08] Riddell: I'll ping mithrandir [12:08] Tonio_: have you gone through the whole -proposed process? [12:10] Riddell: yes [12:10] Riddell: everything is supposed to be done === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549557FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] hello all === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] 10:52 < Riddell> sebas: if you can comment on the sanity of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/104794 comment 7 that would be good [12:48] Malone bug 104794 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager shows dischanging if battery full" [High,Fix committed] [12:48] Lure: ^^ [12:48] Riddell: will look into it === Lure has been offline for a week due to dead laptop [12:49] ah, thought you'd been a bit quiet :) [12:49] welcome back [12:51] Lure: lured back? ;) [12:52] Riddell: yep, current version (if rate: ) is completely wrong [12:52] Riddell: if self.onBattery() is safe to apply [12:52] Riddell: so last patch is correct [12:53] Tm_T: yep, they replaced motherboard and now it is much cooler [12:53] Lure: great, thanks [12:53] Tm_T: it looks like that my laptop was overheating for some reason and I though that this was normal temperature [12:56] Lure: do you know what happened to the network manager behaviour where konqueror couldn't connect to websites if you use /etc/networks/interfaces instead of NM? [12:56] it seems to have fixed itself [12:56] Riddell: no, tollef and scott fixed the n-m [12:56] Riddell: scott's upload today is the way to go === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] Riddell: I am just concerned as some fixes are also in nm-applet and if this is required also in knm [12:57] Lure: yes, that's what I'm working on [12:57] but the konqueror refusing to connect unless network manager was being used seems to have changed [12:57] Riddell: main problem was in debian backend which dropped most of interfaces and made them not known to n-m [12:58] Riddell: yes, as not knm has proper status and does not say "no network" anymnore if there are interfaces not managed by n-m [12:58] Lure: heh, you should've seen my "new" 3d-card, over 120'C and someone said "it's normal for that model" [12:58] Riddell: like static config [12:59] Tm_T: this is really insane - good that I have 3-year warranty [12:59] Lure: result: now it has new cooling, but d'oh doesn't work =) [12:59] :) [12:59] warranty is good [12:59] Tm_T: yep, particually for shitthy HW === Lure is really not happy with latest HP laptops our my company is buying... [01:00] Tm_T: we have 2-3 laptops on service per week :-( [01:01] well that's quality [01:02] Tm_T: no, they are known for "hp invent" ;-) [01:03] sure it's not H(ard)P(ressure) Invert? [01:03] ok, I lost the point there, changed it 3 times on the fly [01:06] Riddell: Should be fixed with the patch Robert sent === stivani [n=stivani@d5152A75F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] So I agree to Lure [01:06] hack, rate is not even initialised. === sebas did a very bad job reviewing that. [01:07] sebas: it is in line 185 === Arby [n=richard@82.152.169.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] sebas: so it was at least consistent behaviour ;-) [01:08] Lure: Good point [01:09] sebas: and consistent bugs are always easier to find than random ones ;-) [01:09] Hehe :) === freeflying__ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] Riddell: so when will that guidance patch get committed/ [01:17] Hobbsee: I've uploaded, will need release dude to accept === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello062178070021.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] Riddell: right. what about the charging, which tonio was mentioning? i can confirm that now [01:20] Hobbsee: what's the problem? [01:21] Riddell: g-p-m reports the battery fully charged, but it's still charging [01:21] Hobbsee: is there bug opened? [01:21] Hobbsee: would need lshal output to debug [01:21] Lure: dont think so, i've just noticed it. Tonio_ did too === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] Lure: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/lshal ? [01:23] Hobbsee: is this lshal from the time it wrongly reported as "fully charged"? [01:23] Lure: yes [01:23] Lure: (was that what you wanted?) [01:24] Hobbsee: it is strange as it reports properly as "battery.rechargeable.is_charging = true" [01:24] Lure: well, it is charging, so that bit's reporting right :P [01:25] but yeah...that is weird [01:26] Lure: it appears to think it's discharging, according to the next line [01:27] Warning: While setting SystemPowerManagement to False : org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported: No powersave method found [01:29] I can't recreate that === Hobbsee wtf? === Hobbsee checks something [01:31] try this http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance-powermanager_0.8.0-0ubuntu5_i386.deb [01:32] that's the new one? [01:32] Riddell: appears a rebuild fixes it, for some reason... === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442e5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] phew [01:33] Riddell: as in, the standard version was working when i made changes, so it'd recompile. i dunno [01:33] Tonio_: ^ [01:34] Hobbsee: ? :) [01:34] Tonio_: try that deb, see if it fixes the problem [01:34] Hobbsee: okay [01:36] Hobbsee: discharging for 5 minutes to see what happens [01:50] Hobbsee: hum, when repluging, just took 5 seconds from fully charged to "... to charge" [01:50] Hobbsee: that's acceptable :) [01:50] Tonio_: cool :) [01:50] Hobbsee: we won't call that a bug, but a lag to calculate the time to charge :) [01:50] hehe [01:51] testers needed for knetwork manager http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/knetworkmanager_0.1-0ubuntu12_i386.deb [01:51] Lure: ^^ [01:52] also http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/knetworkmanager_0.1-0ubuntu12.debdiff === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] Hobbsee, Tonio_ ^^ [01:55] Riddell: sure ;) [01:55] Riddell: Anything in particular you want us to look for? [01:55] Riddell: I don't approve the "manual configuration".... [01:56] Riddell: can confuse the users as you can also "manually" set hidden wireless networks [01:56] Riddell: in my opinion, static is more clear..... but maybe it is just because I know what "static" IP settings are :) [01:56] ScottK: static IP config should not confuse knetworkmanager [01:56] OK. [01:57] Riddell: but that's just my opinion btw [01:57] ScottK: i.e. switch to wireless or konqueror or kmail thinking that there is no network === ScottK tests [01:58] test that it works [01:58] then if you can test that it works when you have a static config in /etc/network/interfaces [01:59] where work means it has a tooltip of "manual config" and a connected icon [01:59] Riddell: appears to work here, but i dotn do static [01:59] Riddell: about the "manual configuration" no change here, still "static" after package upgrade... === Tonio_ restarts network-manager [02:04] If I disable wireless using knetworkmanager, ath0 still shows enabled in the KDE Control Module. It is, in fact, not enbabled. === mbiebl [n=michael@e180088054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] knetworkconf is like that [02:04] OK. Just wanted to make sure that wasn't a suprise. === Lure_ is now known as Lure [02:05] Riddell: otherwise it works fine (better for the case where all interfaces are static) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:08] Riddell: patch works, I can see a "connected" icon [02:08] Riddell: but it shows a "cable" connection icon [02:08] Riddell: btw that works [02:09] Riddell: but "static connection" isn't renamed.... I guess there is a problem there [02:11] Riddell: I think I have either replicated the problem with the new knetworkmanager, or found another similar one [02:11] Riddell: I have noticed another (minor) issue: if you change interfaces back from static to dhcp with knetworkconf, n-m/knm does not notice this :-( [02:11] Currently I have a static connection in /etc/networking/interfaces that I started using /etc/init.d/networking start [02:12] Lure: yes that's why I restarted to let network-manager restart [02:12] Riddell: you have to restart n-m to make it detect dhcp config back... [02:12] Tonio_: that's my fault, fixed [02:12] I can ping sites, but the knetworkmanager tooltip if offline mode is currently active. [02:12] Riddell: okay [02:12] Lure: yeah, blame n-m for that :) [02:12] Konqueror can't find the network. [02:13] Riddell: we should/could patch kentworkconf to restart network-manager when applying changes no ? [02:13] Riddell: Is that the situation you were trying to recreate? [02:13] ScottK: cat you post your /e/n/i? [02:13] Riddell: but that looks big change for feisty :) [02:13] ScottK: are all interfaces static or just some of them? [02:13] Lure: ?? [02:13] All [02:13] ScottK: sorry: /etc/networking/interfaces [02:14] ScottK: it should show the wired icon with a tooltip of "manual config" [02:14] Yes [02:14] ScottK: sorry again: /etc/network/interfaces ;-) [02:14] Tonio_: maybe, but not for feisty [02:14] Riddell: sure [02:14] Riddell: Nope. [02:14] ScottK: what do you have? [02:14] Riddell: well hopefully next version of nm will be available soon :) [02:15] handling static settings by default, so that we can get rid of knetworkconf.... [02:15] that would be nice [02:16] Riddell: The regulart disconnected tooltip and icon [02:16] ScottK: restarted network manager? [02:18] Riddell: I stopped/started with etc/init.d/networking, but didn't restart network manager. Let me try that. [02:19] Lure: e/n/i is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15360/ === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] ScottK: do you have network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 [02:20] ScottK: according to this config, you should see new "Manual config" on tray icon tooltip... [02:20] That's the one that keybuck asked people to build and test yesterday, right? If so, yes. === ScottK is restarting the laptop networking ATM. [02:21] ScottK: yes [02:22] Riddell: Now that I restarted network manager it comes up as expected. [02:22] Lure: Thanks, I think it's as expected now. === ScottK will go try and break it some more. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] How long is it supposed to take before it notices that the manual connection is not longer there? [02:25] Or is it supposed to detect the loss of the connection at all? [02:26] Lure: So I pulled the ethernet cable (and the wireless card is out) and waited a few minutes and I still have the wired icon and the manual network configuration tooltip. [02:27] Then I did etc/init.d/networking stop and the wired icon is still there, so to the casual user it looks like I'm connected, but I'm not. [02:27] Is that expected? [02:28] Riddell: ^^^^ ? [02:30] I put the wireless card in and it does not automatically try and connect (I would guess that's expected), but will connect via wireless when I tell it to with proper icon/tooltip. === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm1.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] So the only thing that seems odd in the manual configuration is that knetworkmanager never notices the static/manual network connection going away. [02:34] ScottK: it won't, it only checks for manual config on n-m startup and then you're stuck like that === Tonio_ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] OK. If that's by design then I think it needs to be boldly noted in the documentation because usually people would associate that icon with actually having a network connection. [02:36] re [02:36] latest kernel refuses to boot on apple machines again :'( [02:36] So far I think the new one is good then. [02:37] Now on to important things like my new fix for pysol works :-) [02:40] ScottK: :) [02:40] ScottK: did that get accepted already? [02:40] Yeah. [02:41] nice [02:41] And it even works with the yet another python update I just sucked down. [02:41] Tonio_: there is fixed kernel ready for testing [02:42] Tonio_: ping BenC [02:44] Lure: sure [02:47] Riddell: you need to remove all of the pr0n links from your Debian wiki page :) [02:48] nixternal: You coordinate tranlsation stuff, right? [02:49] nope, I just implement it into the kubuntu-docs package [02:49] nixternal: where? [02:49] Ah. OK. Thanks. [02:49] at the botton of your wiki page, debian wiki [02:49] nixternal: URL? === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-205.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu/AboutUbuntu/JonathanRiddell [02:51] oh dear === _neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44522.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:56] spam is hillness... [02:56] nixternal: done, although really it needs to be removed from the database by an admin [02:56] hehe, k [02:57] I'm always surprised those guys can take month to code scripts to spam anything............ [02:57] so network-manager will allow my wifi to work once again right? [02:57] I can't go mobile, I have to stay plugged into the wall ;p === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.250.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] Riddell: I had to reboot to get knetworkmanager to forget about the manual configuration, but I can't break it. I think it's good. [03:08] Ideally there would be a different icon for manual configuration. [03:09] ideally yes, but this is a quick fix needed today, and is the same as gnome has [03:11] Riddell: Understand. I think it's a significant UI issue for Gutsy. [03:11] i.e. for fixing in Gutsy === ScottK will file a bug unless you'd rather I didn't. === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] is there a list somewhere with the best wificards/sticks you can use for feisty? [03:13] jeroenvrp: There is information on wiki.ubuntu.com. Do a title search for wireless. [03:13] ScottK: thanks [03:14] ScottK: go ahead, although it might be spec material [03:14] Riddell: Will do. I'll get it written down and people can argue did I fill out the right form later. [03:15] wo0t, and the update to networkmanager fixed my wifi === _marseillais_ [n=marseill@195.200.179.142] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] OK. It's reported. Bug #106212 [03:31] Malone bug 106212 in knetworkmanager "Manual config icon is the same as wired connection icon" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106212 === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.216.191.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] ScottK: you should report that it also affects network-manager [03:32] Riddell: I did, but ubotu doesn't pick that up for some reason. === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@203.110.163.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] I've used Dapper --> Edgy --> Feisty with wireless on Kubuntu and the experience gets significantly better with each release. === ScottK got two hours sleep last night, so he's off for more coffee. [03:37] ScottK: indeed! [03:41] goodness my neighbor is probably watching Borat..i can hear that blasted national anthem [03:41] haha === nrg88 [n=nrg88@86.126.206.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nrg88 [n=nrg88@86.126.206.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nrg88 [n=nrg88@86.126.206.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] kwwii: ping ? [04:02] Tonio_: hi [04:03] ;) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] Heya [04:13] hi bddebian === dany_21 [n=dan@85-124-41-231.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Any core dev care to upload exiv2? See bug 105947 [04:45] Malone bug 105947 in digikam "portrait CRW files (EOS 300D) are upside down" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105947 [04:45] ^^^ Tonio_, Riddell [04:46] alleeHol: Have to go get a truck.... [04:46] alleeHol: I'm leaving my appartment tomorrow... [04:46] Riddell: can you handle this ? [04:46] Tonio_: hey cool [04:46] alleeHol: you're editing the file directly [04:47] Riddell: exiv2 has no patch sys. [04:48] anyone else having issues trying to upgrade the 2.6.20-14-generic image today? [04:48] Riddell: and MOTUs just added a suggestion to the wiki eto not add a patch system to keep diff to debian minimal. Makes sense for core pkgs too IMHO [04:48] 403 forbidden for me [04:49] nixternal: no worked here [04:49] alleeHol: that's crazy talk, you should always use diffs [04:49] alleeHol: as long as it is merged upstream, this is no big deal having the changes in diff.gz right ? [04:49] Riddell: I'm just doing the patch [04:49] nixternal: known. it's called bug: 'zomg, this kernel broke the world'? [04:50] nixternal: https://launchpad.net/bugs/106063 [04:50] Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] [04:50] Tonio_: for exiv? [04:50] Riddell: debian kde extra is NMUing exiv2 for quite some time. I'll apply there too [04:50] Riddell: yep [04:57] Tonio_: ah, in alioth cdbs is used already for exiv2. I'll add the patch there ... [04:58] Hobbsee: haha [04:58] alleeHol: okay ;) [04:58] Tonio_: pusling said he had extracted a bunch of patches for kdepim to stop crashes in kmail, recon it's worth looking at? [04:58] alleeHol: I didn't change the packaging, just added patch entries to rules [04:59] Tonio_: thx! [04:59] Riddell: yes I already heard about that [04:59] Riddell: people reported it was better with those patches [04:59] Riddell: deserves a look :) but I'll not be there to do that this WE... [04:59] I should already be gone...... [05:00] is there a way to fix guidance locally so it will detect my cpu speed? [05:00] Riddell: I can build/test kmail patches this afternoon/tomorrow if needed. [05:00] who uses kontact enough to test? I hardly use it [05:00] nixternal: Got a hammer? [05:00] ScottK: ah hah, a volunteer :) [05:00] Riddell: I use it all the time [05:01] I live by Kontact [05:01] there isn't a feature I don't use [05:01] Riddell: I've built kdepim before too. [05:01] Riddell: which mail client do you use? ummm...mutt or pine? [05:01] Just point me at a list of the patches you want me to build/test with. [05:02] kwwii: mutt I believe [05:02]