[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> opera was never my thing, but choice is *always* good.
[12:14] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, its as easy as 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' then making sure port 22 is open on your fw and/or forwarding on you SOHO router
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> unless it's a choice between xp and vista...
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: you know, i did that.
[12:15] <changuitofeo> sweet, i think it worked
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> then i looked at my auth log a couple days later
 unless it's a choice between xp and vista... <<< rather have ME ???
[12:16] <Yorokobi> WinME is not a choice
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: i'd rather have linux.
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> ME isn't a bad OS.
[12:16] <changuitofeo> ok... new question.  now i try to mount that drive in konqueror and it says only root can.  since this is the only accnt I created I thought it was already root?
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> ...it's a bad excuse for one
[12:16] <lumpofcheese> eurgh, did someone say Windows Me?
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> changuitofeo: nope, that's what sudo's for
[12:17] <changuitofeo> i see
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> to run commands as the superuser using your user password
[12:17] <changuitofeo> ahhhhh
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> so sudo mount whatever
[12:17] <intelikey> if ME was the only os, i'd literally scrap my boxes, every one.
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> if ME was the only OS, the entire computer industry would have crumbled long ago
[12:18] <changuitofeo> will it automount now every boot now that it's in fstab?
[12:18] <Daisuke_Ido> and support-desk suicide rates would skyrocket
[12:18] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, if you used 'auto' as one of the options, yes
[12:18] <HymnToLife> if ME was the only OS, I guess M$ would have put more effort in it :p
[12:19] <changuitofeo> so put auto instead of defaults?
[12:19] <Filthpig> if ME was the only OS, I'd personally sit down and write a new one from scratch
[12:19] <intelikey> HymnToLife or less...  why put effort into something that has no competition...
[12:19] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, as well as defaults, you may want to use 'user,auto,defaults'
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> HymnToLife: i assume you're familiar with MS's development cycle.  beta = proof of concept, release candidate = alpha, release = beta, sp1 = release candidate, sp2 = release
[12:20] <intelikey> Yorokobi i like  user,users,noauto
[12:20] <changuitofeo> ah okay.  also, did i have to create a dir for the mount, i just typed in /mnt/windows, but i never actually created a dir named that
[12:20] <changuitofeo> err.. that's what i put in fstab
[12:20] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, you'll have to create that (/mnt/windows)
[12:21] <changuitofeo> the create command?? sorry for all the questions, i really appreciate the help
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> mkdir
[12:21] <Yorokobi> changuitofeo, 'sudo mkdir /mnt/windows'
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> but again, it's a job for sudo
[12:21] <changuitofeo> cool
[12:21] <changuitofeo> i'll get the hang of this yet
[12:21] <Yorokobi> intelikey, IIRC, auto is for at-boot mounting which is what is wanted
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> changuitofeo: the learning curve at the beginning is more than offset by the versatility later on :)
[12:22] <intelikey> Yorokobi yeah  i'm just saying.   user is not much uses with it automounted...
[12:22] <changuitofeo> heck yeah :)
[12:22] <ari> hi
[12:22] <Yorokobi> intelikey, heh, true enough
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> hi ari
[12:22] <changuitofeo> i just got fed up with windows instability
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually...  used windows today
[12:23] <changuitofeo> so, a buddy of mine convinved me to go this way
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's like a 12 step meeting here
[12:23] <changuitofeo> hehe
[12:23] <changuitofeo> well, i mean, i'm gonna leave it on there, but try to use this when possible
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> but i felt like an idiot when i middle-clicked the maximize button and nothing happened :\
[12:23] <changuitofeo> i don't think full tilt poker has a linux release tho ;)
[12:23] <ari> i have some problems with kopete. it disconnects me all the time even if i don't touch anything and it has to reconnect with the one i'm talking to everytime i send a single message. how can i fix that !?!
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> changuitofeo: will full tilt run under wine?
[12:24] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido one big differance, go to aa drunk   and compare to coming in here on windows   lol
[12:24] <conorkirk1> Whenever I try to select the startup sound "KDE_Login.wav" it wont play it when I log in and it wont play when I click the little Play button.
[12:24] <changuitofeo> i don't know what wine is
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[12:25] <yuriy> !wine
[12:25] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:25] <changuitofeo> oh wow.
[12:25] <Daisuke_Ido> wine is your friend :)
[12:25] <changuitofeo> cool.
[12:26] <changuitofeo> ok, so now the /mnt/windows is made, fstab is edited and saved, but when i go to storage media in konqueror and click my drive, it says 'could not enter folder /mnt/windows'
[12:26] <ari> it really gets upsetting to log in 12 times before it works...
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> did you mount the drive?
[12:27] <changuitofeo> in konq i right click and have an option to unmount, so i assummed...
[12:27] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i had to setup a dialup connection on a win-xp box for *well doesn't matter what i think of them*  tuesday,   and yeah i got mad every time i started to do anything and it reminded me it was windows and had no clue what i was talking about....
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: a minor inconvenience but a major peeve for me is the fact that, right now i have firefox open behind this window, if i need to scroll down there, i can hover, and scroll with the wheel
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> windows doesn't allow me to do that
[12:30] <soulrider> hi everyone
[12:30] <soulrider> !cedega
[12:30] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> and it bugs the...  you know...  RIGHT out of me.
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> hey soulrider
[12:30] <soulrider> hey Daisuke_Ido
[12:31] <soulrider> whats up ?
[12:31] <intelikey> yep or alt+mouse1 and move a window
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: that's another one that bothers me
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> or right-clicking minimize to shade
[12:31] <changuitofeo> so, i made sure the drive is mounted.. when i try to cd windows from /mnt it says permission denied
[12:31] <changuitofeo> i tried sudo and it says cd command not found..
[12:32] <intelikey> yep.    guess we're offtopic tho
[12:33] <conorkirk1> Does anybody know of a good way to convert  .WAV files to .OGG?
[12:33] <TheInfinity> conorkirk1: mplayer
[12:33] <intelikey> !oggenc | conorkirk1
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oggenc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <TheInfinity> or this way ;)
[12:34] <TheInfinity> -> ubuntu.com wiki
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> !soundkonvertor
[12:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundkonvertor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> bleh
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> !info soundkonvertor
[12:34] <ubotu> Package soundkonvertor does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[12:34] <TheInfinity> !ogg
[12:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> oh wait
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it would help if i spelled it right
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> !soundkonverter
[12:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundkonverter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:35] <SharpRazor> coul anyone tell me what is the best DVD recording software in linux?
[12:35] <SharpRazor> in Ubuntui sorry
[12:36] <cheeseboy> how do i empty trash?
[12:37] <SharpRazor> you go outside and empty the trash
[12:37] <intelikey> gui right click the trash can ?     cli rm ~/.local/Trash/*  ?
[12:37] <SharpRazor> it's that simple
[12:37] <SharpRazor> left click
[12:37] <cheeseboy> i dont have trashcan icon anywhere
[12:38] <SharpRazor> how come?
[12:38] <cheeseboy> i don't know
[12:38] <intelikey> right click  [taskbar,desktop]  and add one...    or in konqueror  type  trash://  in the address bar
[12:39] <Yorokobi> cheeseboy, right click your panel (taskbar) and click on Add Applet to Panel ... then add the trash applet
[12:39] <intelikey> how many ways do you want ?
[12:39] <cheeseboy> ok thnx
[12:39] <SharpRazor> :)
[12:39] <conorkirk1> I would have just typed sudo apt-get install audacity if i would have know  n first :D
[12:39] <SharpRazor> hey people now me plz
[12:39] <SharpRazor> what's the best DVD recording software??
[12:39] <Yorokobi> SharpRazor, I've always used k3b
[12:39] <SharpRazor> for Ubuntu of course
[12:40] <SharpRazor> has it got buffer underrun?
[12:40] <conorkirk1> sharprazor: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html
[12:40] <SharpRazor> thanks mate
[12:40] <Yorokobi> SharpRazor, depends on the burner ... IIRC though, yes
[12:40] <intelikey> conorkirk1 i didn't call the name correctly.  but there is an ogg encoder that works from the cli very well.   audacity works from the gui quite well too
[12:41] <SharpRazor> conorkirk:)
[12:41] <SharpRazor> there's only about burning cd's :D
[12:41] <intelikey> !dvd
[12:41] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:43] <SharpRazor> ok thank You people
[12:43] <SharpRazor> i've found somethin
[12:44] <SharpRazor> have a good night every1 !!!!
[12:44] <intelikey> yeah it's been my profound experiance that "linux can probably do it"  if you can figure out how to tell it to...
[12:46] <intelikey> i think i'll migrate all executables to /bin and set path to /bin  .....
[12:46] <SharpRazor> oh sorry guys
[12:46] <cheeseboy> is there a command to make somting fullscreen?
[12:46] <SharpRazor> could anyone tell me why azureus is so ******??
[12:47] <intelikey> cheeseboy i think dcop can do that
[12:47] <SharpRazor> i used azureus but it blocks dl because of poor ratio??
[12:48] <cheeseboy> dcop?
[12:48] <SharpRazor> anyone here alive?
[12:48] <Flare183> I'm here
[12:48] <SharpRazor> hi flare:)
[12:49] <Flare183> what up?
[12:49] <SharpRazor> which p2p client are You using?
[12:49] <Flare183> Ktorrent
[12:49] <SharpRazor> did You try Azureus?
[12:49] <Flare183> but i use Azureaus on windows
[12:49] <Flare183> yeah
[12:49] <SharpRazor> hmm
[12:49] <conorkirk1> Why doesn't the KDE sound system play wave files
[12:49] <conorkirk1> but Amarok does?
[12:50] <SharpRazor> is it blocking downloading when ratio is poor?
[12:50] <Flare183> what do you mean
[12:50] <Flare183> conorkirk1:> convert them to ogg then try it
[12:50] <SharpRazor> i dl somethin
[12:50] <SharpRazor> i have a 10Mb cable but upload is shit :)
[12:51] <SharpRazor> 512kb
[12:51] <conorkirk1> flare182: well, Audacity says it can't find my audio device, but music and sounds play fine everywhere else
[12:51] <SharpRazor> so after dl 60% dl stops
[12:51] <SharpRazor> because of poor ratio:/
[12:51] <Flare183> conorkirk1:> alas device?
[12:52] <Flare183> sharprazor:> maybe
[12:52] <conorkirk1> Where can you pick what device it uses?
[12:52] <SharpRazor> ehhh
[12:52] <Flare183> conorkirk1:> which application?
[12:53] <SharpRazor> there were good times i used Utorrent and had a ratio 0.005 :D
[12:53] <intelikey> is the http://www.linmodem.org  page just a little outdated ?
[12:53] <intelikey>         * For 3COM/US Robotics Inc. winmodems, drivers were NOT
[12:53] <intelikey>           available as of May, 2001.
[12:53] <Flare183> sharprazor:> ummm it been awhile since i used azureaus
[12:53] <SharpRazor> a little:)
[12:53] <conorkirk1> flare182: in the notifications preferences it wont play it
[12:53] <intelikey> like 6 years maybe ?
[12:54] <Flare183> linmodem is old
[12:54] <Flare183> very old
[12:54] <SharpRazor> what are You doing for the living Flare anyway?
[12:54] <phobiac> I need to mount an ntfs partition as read write
[12:54] <phobiac> I'm on a live cd
[12:54] <SharpRazor>  not on the live cd mate :D
[12:54] <phobiac> Crap
[12:54] <Flare183> Sharprazor:> Freelance Software engineering
[12:55] <intelikey> phobiac not a good idea
[12:55] <SharpRazor> ahhh
[12:55] <SharpRazor> nice:)
[12:55] <phobiac> There's no way to set up ntfs-3g properly on a live cd?
[12:55] <Flare183> no
[12:55] <SharpRazor> probably not but i might be wrong
[12:55] <phobiac> intelikey: It's to fix an already broken computer
[12:55] <intelikey> !ntfs
[12:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:55] <Flare183> you mush install (u/k)buntu for it to even mount it
[12:55] <intelikey> !fuse
[12:55] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:56] <intelikey> that might work i don't know.  ^
[12:56] <Flare183> fuse works but both are beta
[12:56] <conorkirk1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 246/249MB, 91 proc's, 36.10min up
[12:56] <conorkirk1> whats with that
[12:56] <conorkirk1> 0 MHZ
[12:56] <phobiac> Thanks
[12:56] <SharpRazor> :D
[12:56] <SharpRazor> strong computer
[12:56] <Flare183> ow! 0 mhz slow
[12:56] <SharpRazor> what will happen at 1GH :D
[12:56] <Flare183> lol
[12:56] <phobiac> I got ntfs-3g install before, it wouldn't mount it even with the force option though.
[12:57] <conorkirk1> it is really 1GHZ
[12:57] <Flare183> oh ok nevermid
[12:57] <conorkirk1> flare182: what should i do about Audacity
[12:57] <intelikey> phobiac did you modprobe it ?
[12:57] <SharpRazor> Ubuntu has something like Cool&Quiet ??
[12:57] <SharpRazor> i mean
[12:57] <SharpRazor> like laptops
[12:57] <phobiac> modprobe?
[12:57] <SharpRazor> adjusting MHz output?
[12:57] <intelikey> !modprobe
[12:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:57] <Flare183> conorkirk1:> hold on looking into that
[12:57] <intelikey> dumb bot
[12:57] <conorkirk1> flare182: thank you!
[12:58] <Flare183> modprobe makes the device work
[12:58] <Flare183> what?
[12:58] <intelikey> yeah modprobe is the better way to insert kernel modules
[12:58] <phobiac> Oh
[12:58] <phobiac> I didn't modprobe
[12:58] <Flare183> conorkirk1:> what?
[12:58] <conorkirk1> flare183: works now
[12:58] <Flare183> welcome
[12:58] <conorkirk1> I tried restarting the sound system a few times
[12:59] <Flare183> i just wish my mp3 player worked
[12:59] <conorkirk1> which means i can convert to ogg
[12:59] <conorkirk1> lol
[12:59] <Flare183> yeap
[12:59] <intelikey> after installing it would require something like  modprobe ntfs-3g   i think  before you could use it.   not sure tho   i don't do windows.
[12:59] <phobiac> Hmm
[12:59] <phobiac> I'll just try fuse
[12:59] <Flare183> do that fuse works i know that
[01:00] <Flare183> be back in a sec
[01:00] <lettuce_> Where do i get nvidia card rivers for linux?
[01:00] <intelikey> phobiac what on the ntfs are you needing to do anyway ?    if you don't mind my asking
[01:00] <phobiac> Give me one second and I'll tell you
[01:01] <intelikey> !nv | lettuce_
[01:01] <ubotu> lettuce_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:01] <lettuce_> thank you
[01:01] <intelikey> lettuce_ good luck i couldn't get it to work when i tried...
[01:02] <intelikey> but most do succeed at nvidia drivers so, you prolly will
[01:02] <gemidjy> a way to check the current color depth of xorg ?
[01:02] <phobiac> Okay
[01:02] <phobiac> To put it quickly, replacing a dll in system32 on a vista computer that is corrupted.
[01:02] <phobiac> It's either this, or we end up sending it out.
[01:02] <Black_Monkey> hi, I just installed the nvidia driver, and now it won't let me put my screen resolution higher than 1024x768 - anyone know how to fix this?
[01:03] <phobiac> So I can't really break it anymore.
[01:03] <phobiac> The computer starts up with an error, the logonui.exe can't eveb start to let me log in.
[01:03] <intelikey> phobiac or pull the drive and stick it in a functioning windows box....
[01:03] <Flare183> i'm back
[01:03] <phobiac> On a laptop, wouldn't be too easy.
[01:04] <intelikey> oh lappy   i see
[01:04] <Ashex> !video > me
[01:04] <intelikey> i think i have a cradle for lappy drives here somewhere....
[01:04] <Flare183> !video | Ashex
[01:04] <ubotu> Ashex: For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:04] <Flare183> there you go
[01:05] <Ashex> using > sends it privately
[01:05] <Flare183> oh
[01:05] <Flare183> nevermind
[01:05] <Flare183> sorry
[01:05] <Flare183> didn't know that
[01:05] <Ashex> hehe, no problem
[01:05] <intelikey> does "me"  work ?
[01:05] <intelikey> !bot > me
[01:05] <Ashex> I'm just having issues with video codecs in feisty
[01:05] <Ashex> Yuppers
[01:06] <Flare183> I'm having problem mounting my mp3 player
[01:06] <intelikey> !ipod
[01:06] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[01:06] <Flare183> not an ipod GPX
[01:06] <intelikey> !gpx
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gpx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:07] <intelikey> ooops
[01:07] <Flare183> see noghting
[01:07] <Flare183> see nothing
[01:07] <Flare183> !rockbox
[01:07] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[01:07] <Flare183> umm
[01:08] <intelikey> check out the http://www.rockbox.org/ page it may have something
[01:08] <phobiac> Well fuse doesn't work.
[01:09] <Flare183> phobiac:> thats whack!
[01:09] <intelikey> hmmmm
[01:09] <phobiac> I keep getting "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: No such file or directory
[01:09] <phobiac> "
[01:10] <milaks> Hi. I specified smaller icons to be used in kde in toolbar (16), desktop (32)... but how can I make icons in "Start" that is "KMenu" to be also 16, this way opened menu occupies too much space?
[01:10] <Flare183> sudo apt-get install fusermount
[01:10] <khaije1> anyone know if freenx will find it's way into the fiesty repos?
[01:10] <phobiac> Aha, I'll try that.
[01:11] <intelikey> khaije1 backports possably.
[01:12] <phobiac> Ugh my repos don't have it
[01:13] <Flare183> man fusermount
[01:13] <Flare183> it's in the fues-utils
[01:13] <phobiac> No entry
[01:14] <milaks> anyone?
[01:14] <Flare183> sudo apt-get install fuse-utils
[01:14] <phobiac> That's what I needed
[01:14] <phobiac> Ty
[01:14] <Flare183> !patience | milaks
[01:14] <ubotu> milaks: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:14] <Flare183> i'm working to help every one the best i can but i can't help everyone
[01:15] <milaks> I'm just asking, not pushing :)
[01:15] <Flare183> i know just give me some time
[01:15] <milaks> Ok, sorry
[01:15] <Flare183> back in a sec
[01:16] <intelikey> milaks seeing that i don't use a gui much and don't have kde installed i can't really do more than guess on that.   and you don't need that.
[01:17] <milaks> intelikey: you're absolutely right :))
[01:17] <intelikey> did you check in kmenueditor  ?
[01:18] <phobiac> Hmm, it's saying that the permissions can't be change.
[01:18] <phobiac> changed
[01:18] <milaks> I've been isntalled a fresh kubuntu copy, and now I'm using old settings. So far, everything else is working fine, except for that.
[01:18] <milaks> yes
[01:18] <phobiac> And then not copying them.
[01:18] <Black_Monkey> I just installed the nvidia driver, and now I can't go into Administrator mode in the 'Monitor and display' part of system settings to change the resolution - anyone know why? :-S
[01:18] <milaks> already
[01:18] <intelikey> phobiac no they can't.  it's psyudo perms.
[01:18] <Flare> \register Flare183
[01:19] <Flare18> \pwd joy417
[01:19] <phobiac> Wait I think I see what to do
[01:19] <intelikey> phobiac files should copy over ok.  but the perms change will error out.
[01:19] <Flare18> dang who is using my nickname!!!
[01:19] <Flare18> i will kick/ban you off this channell!!!!!
[01:19] <melkor> milaks whats wrong?
[01:20] <phobiac> Okay
[01:20] <phobiac> Well lets see if this worked
[01:20] <phobiac> With any luck I won't be back.
[01:20] <phobiac> Thank you SO much for your help
[01:20] <stdin> Flare18: whois them, you'll see there hostname (and you can kick with nickserv)
[01:20] <azrael_> heh... 'kick/ban'. so redundant.
[01:20] <milaks> Ah, already solved. I wanted to change kmenu menu items spacing, but already found the answer.
[01:21] <intelikey> get em' jessy   get em' !!!
[01:21] <lettuce_> I have an HP printer I need to be able to print from it with linux. What should I do?
[01:21] <milaks> If perhaps someone else needs it: kwriteconfig --file kickerrc --group menus --key MenuEntryHeight 48
[01:21] <Flare18> no someone straight up stole my nickname i am moderator NO ONE DOES THAT TO ME
[01:22] <intelikey> | Flare183 (n=jesse@adsl-4-144-62.gsp.bellsouth.net) (Network
[01:22] <intelikey> | Flare18 (n=jesse@adsl-153-28-62.gsp.bellsouth.net) (Network
[01:22] <conorkirk1> Sysinfo for 'ckirkpat-desktop': Linux 2.6.17-10-powerpc running KDE 3.5.5, CPU:  at 0 MHz (82 bogomips), , RAM: 180/249MB, 93 proc's, 1.2h up
[01:22] <Flare18> same thing
[01:23] <Flare18> hold on
[01:23] <milaks> Thanks for your time and good will :)
[01:23] <stdin> conorkirk1: still got that 0 MHz cpu ey? :P
[01:24] <melkor> Has anybody here ever had to deal with a wireless card that says it's 802.11 D-S
[01:24] <Flare> i'm about to get really pissed
[01:25] <intelikey> flare  over ?
[01:25] <stdin> Flare: so recover the nick
[01:25] <Flare> nope
[01:25] <Flare> d*mn
[01:25] <intelikey> /msg nickserv ghost Flare183 <passwd>
[01:25] <MK_Mike> Flare: did you given register to nickserv?
[01:26] <Flare> for get it they WILL go away soon enough
[01:26] <Flare> yeah
[01:26] <MK_Mike> lmao
[01:26] <Flare> pm them do answer
[01:26] <intelikey> man it's your spook
[01:26] <intelikey> nuke it.
[01:27] <Flare> intellikey:> doing so now
[01:27] <conorkirk1> Is there any way for Flash to work on Linux users on PowerPC's?
[01:27] <stdin> conorkirk1: nope, not as far as I know
[01:27] <Flare> ok thes is whack
[01:27] <Flare> forget it
[01:28] <Flare> now what were you all saying
[01:28] <stdin> conorkirk1: maybe you can use gnash tho
[01:28] <stdin> conorkirk1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#head-38245bd46a3334b4cc11601e161ddaa63439d2db
[01:29] <intelikey> switching os's back....
[01:29] <Flare> if anybody needs anyhelp e-mail me at richardson183@hotmail.com
[01:29] <Flare> ok?
[01:30] <Flare> bump
[01:30] <Tm_T> Flare: hmm, are you advertising?
[01:30] <Flare> no just wanting to help
[01:30] <Tm_T> because I need some help with this itch
[01:31] <Flare> boo!
[01:31] <Flare> what the mess
[01:31] <Flare> not in that way
[01:31] <Tm_T> well you said any help
[01:32] <intelikey> !flash
[01:32] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:32] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:32] <khaije1> Flare: why would you indiscriminately give out you email address in a channel?
[01:32] <Flare> don't get much e-mail to much time on my hands, etc.
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> bump?
[01:32] <intelikey> likes spam
[01:33] <Flare> !bump
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bump - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <Flare> crap
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> you *are* aware this isn't a forum, correct?
[01:33] <stdin> Flare: do you know the channel us logged to a webpage (that most likely gets crawled by google) ?
[01:33] <Flare> no spam just like helping
[01:33] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: this isn't?
[01:33] <Flare> don't care really
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> Tm_T: you know what i mean :P
[01:34] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: what you know what I know? you're reading my mind aren't ya?!
[01:34] <intelikey> :)
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, i can barely read my own mind
[01:34] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: lmfao
[01:35] <Tm_T> ok, shows over, back to your work will ya
[01:36] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: Nah no fun, more fun watching you type random stuff on irc!!
[01:36] <Tm_T> but that would be offtopic
[01:36] <intelikey> why does !flash point to the   !mp3  infonode.  there is nothing there flash related.
[01:36] <Tm_T> !flash9
[01:36] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:36] <Tm_T> !flash
[01:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:37] <Tm_T> err, that's stupid, who did change that
[01:37] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: hmmm maybe theres a channal called offtopic where you can talk about rubish like that!
[01:37] <intelikey> only possable connection i can see is the  freeformats link
[01:37] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: I've heard about those, scary places
[01:37] <Alonea> is it normal for wine to lock up when you click on the Audio tab in the winecfg?
[01:38] <stdin> intelikey: because the info to install flash is in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:38] <BakaBomber> yeah.
[01:38] <RaNDyMyZe> intelikey: see this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[01:38] <Tm_T> Alonea: hmm, doesn't happen here, that doesn't rule out "normal"
[01:38] <ulmolavender> Alonea: just for a moment, I think
[01:38] <RaNDyMyZe> lol stdin
[01:38] <RaNDyMyZe> you're fast
[01:38] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: yeah thats where all the mad werid ass irc freeks hang out talking about door noob that bite you!
[01:38] <stdin> heh :)
[01:38] <intelikey> it's normal for wine to do all sorts of "special" things.
[01:38] <Alonea> ulmolavender: I mean, it locks up, like the program completely freezes and I have to terminate it.
[01:39] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: glad I'm op there
[01:39] <Alonea> more or less asking if its a common problem or I am cursed
[01:39] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: oh know does that meen you a crasy irc freek?
[01:39] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: no, that means I'm that reasonable guy keeping them in order
[01:40] <stdin> Alonea: it dose that for me too, I think it's probing your audio system
[01:40] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: oh thats good, what kinna mad junk do they rant and rave about?
[01:40] <BakaBomber> hey, is there a quick way to reply with someone's name without typing it out in konversation?
[01:40] <Tm_T> MK_Mike: go and see
[01:40] <stdin> !tab | BakaBomber
[01:40] <ubotu> BakaBomber: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[01:41] <Tm_T> stdin: you young fast and furious
[01:41] <BakaBomber> stdin: ah, thanks.
[01:41] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: i tryed to join channal offtopic but it sent me to another channal!
[01:41] <Tm_T> !offtopic | MK_Mike
[01:41] <ubotu> MK_Mike: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:41] <RaNDyMyZe> stdin: your name should be stdin>>stdout
[01:41] <stdin> I just know my bot commands :)
[01:41] <stdin> RaNDyMyZe: and stdout is taken :P
[01:42] <MK_Mike> Tm_T: dam lol
[01:42] <stderr> heh... that was pointless
[01:42] <RaNDyMyZe> stdin: figures
[01:43] <intelikey> so a flash plugin is all you get.....
[01:43] <Tm_T> intelikey: do flash?
[01:43] <RaNDyMyZe> intelikey: what else do you need?
[01:43] <stdin> RaNDyMyZe: actually stdin was taken too, but not used in a few years, so I got a staffer to drop it for me
[01:44] <RaNDyMyZe> stdin: cool, that was lucky
[01:44] <intelikey> just wandering what i'm going to "plug it into" ....
[01:44] <intelikey> BakaBomber aint that so.
[01:44] <RaNDyMyZe> intelikey: flashplugin makes the links to your browsers for you.  so it plugs itself in, except maybe opera
[01:45] <intelikey> RaNDyMyZe so it will work in elinks ?
[01:45] <RaNDyMyZe> intelikey: ahh, i'm not sure.  i know elinks does some pretty nifty stuff, but i don't know about flash
[01:45] <stdin> intelikey: I'm guessing that it won't
[01:46] <intelikey> i'll check it out and come back griping about it...  :)
[01:46] <stdin> intelikey: unless elinks can use netscape plugins
[01:48] <lettuce_> what doesit mean to "compile 3D applications?"
[01:48] <intelikey> what about dillo  ?
[01:48] <lettuce_> *does it
[01:49] <intelikey> !compile | lettuce_
[01:49] <ubotu> lettuce_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:50] <lettuce_> well i just want to know what it means because the installation guide for the video card drivers says that is I'm goign to compile 3d applications that I need to install specific drivers
[01:50] <lettuce_> *says that if I'm going to compile
[01:50] <lettuce_> I just wanna play WoW, so does that apply to me?
[01:51] <Tm_T> no
[01:51] <stdin> probably not, no
[01:51] <lettuce_> thank you
[01:51] <Tm_T> lettuce_: for compiling you need sourcecode
[01:52] <lettuce_> also, wtf is Hoary Hedgehog and Breezy Badge
[01:52] <stdin> lettuce_: older versions of kubuntu
[01:52] <lettuce_> best names ever
[01:52] <intelikey> warty warthog
[01:52] <intelikey> the a-10 of the ubuntu world
[01:53] <lettuce_> you guys are so helpful compared some other linux IRC channels
[01:53] <stdin> that's because we rock :p
[01:53] <lettuce_> and so does kubuntu
[01:54] <intelikey> yep we do
[01:54] <TheDebugger> I hated kubuntu edgy... but feisty is perfect :)
[01:54] <TheDebugger> Even if it's still beta
[01:54] <TheDebugger> No more problems with adept :)
[01:55] <intelikey> yeah yeah thats what we hear about each new release....
[01:55] <stdin> not since breezy
[01:55] <intelikey> for the first two days....
[01:55] <Tm_T> intelikey: =)
[01:55] <Tm_T> intelikey: don't be so negative (in public)
[01:56] <intelikey> Tm_T this is public.... ?
[01:56] <Tm_T> intelikey: yeah, very
[01:57] <Tm_T> intelikey: so keep your pants on
[01:57] <stdin> only you, me and 357 of our closest friends :p
[01:57] <intelikey> billytwowilly:  that leaves a bad image     doesn't it....
[01:57] <intelikey>  billytwowilly: = wow
[01:57] <intelikey> stupid nick completion
[02:00] <intelikey> no i do feel a bit naked cause i shaved my head today... but i don't go/set around that way....
[02:00] <Tm_T> intelikey: any pic?
[02:00] <intelikey> no
[02:01] <aldin> hi, i want to compile something but i get this error QTDIR not set http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15295/
[02:01] <intelikey> any pic ?
[02:01] <intelikey> !b-e | aldin
[02:01] <ubotu> aldin: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:02] <lettuce_> nvidia drivers worked! I am a very happy nerd!
[02:02] <Tm_T> intelikey: unfortunately no, I really haven't been photographed much
[02:02] <intelikey> lettuce_ careful  three seccessful runs in linux and you graduate from nerd to geek, and then you have to help others...
[02:03] <intelikey> successful
[02:04] <aldin> intelikey, i am kinda experienced user... i know how to ompile from source... but this is unusuall
[02:04] <aldin> i have libqt3-mt-dev
[02:05] <lettuce_> zomg!!
[02:05] <lettuce_> i used to hate linux too
[02:05] <lettuce_> but that's cause I had only used shitty versions before
[02:06] <intelikey> aldin what was the var in this line   4 if test "" = "";
[02:06] <aldin> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15295/
[02:07] <aldin> intelikey, here is the script http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15297/
[02:09] <Alonea> http://pastebin.ca/437349  I think I got an error...(this is relating to winecfg locking up when I goto the audio tab)
[02:09] <intelikey> aldin so export the proper QTDIR=
[02:10] <intelikey> and run it
[02:10] <stdin> aldin: and your QTDIR should be /usr/share/qt3
[02:12] <stdin> Alonea: try a "sudo modprobe snd-seq" first
[02:13] <intelikey> can you renice a network connection ?   like make wget be nice to bx   they don't play well togather...  ?
[02:13] <intelikey> i get lag time as high as 45 seconds.
[02:13] <Puppy_> I do not have kubuntu installed but I needed help with a KDE app. It is called ksayit. It will not play any text. If you think this question would be better on the Ubuntu IRC. Please say so!
[02:15] <intelikey> Puppy_ festival is installed isn't it ?
[02:16] <stdin> and kttsd ?
[02:16] <intelikey> Puppy_ the festival server is running isn't it ?
[02:16] <Puppy_> intelikey, yup. but I do not know how to use it. :)
[02:16] <stdin> use kttsmgr to configure it
[02:17] <intelikey> Puppy_ ksayit uses festival for it's  -tts  app  iirc.  so the festival server has to be running
[02:18] <lettuce_> YEEEESSS!!!!1 WoW works with no lag!!
[02:18] <Puppy_> intelikey, do you know how to get the festival server running?
[02:18] <intelikey> echo "testing festival t t s application" | festival -tts
[02:18] <stdin> "festival --server" maybe
[02:19] <intelikey> Puppy_ should be a script in the /etc/init.d/   with festival in it's name.    run it with  start  as an arg
[02:20] <Puppy_> intelikey, I am very new to linux. do I run that script in the terminal?
[02:20] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/festival start
[02:20] <intelikey> yes   ^
[02:20] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/festival start
[02:21] <Puppy_> ok I did: sudo /etc/init.d/festival start. And id printed nothing.
[02:21] <Puppy_> *it
[02:21] <intelikey> stdin i've not used  kttsmgr  if he needs to config with that can you walk him through it
[02:21] <intelikey> Puppy_ that's fine.
[02:21] <stdin> intelikey: it's pretty simple, so yeah :P
[02:21] <Puppy_> now what. it still is not playing any text
[02:23] <jhutchins> So is there an audio IRC client somewhere?
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> jhutchins: maybe #lau
[02:24] <intelikey> Puppy_ see stdin  about using  kttsmgr
[02:25] <stdin> Puppy_: ksayit is a frontend to kttsd, the KDE Text-To-Speech system. so make sure you have kttsd installed
[02:26] <Puppy_> intelikey: I don't know what you are telling me what to do. If this is a KDE thing, I am using ubuntu. I am only trying  to get an KDE app to work (if you did not understand).
[02:26] <Puppy_> so maybe  I should go to the Ubuntu IRC?
[02:28] <intelikey> Puppy_ if they can/will help you in there go for it.     you can check that festival server is running with    pidof festival     if that doesn't give a number it's not.
[02:29] <intelikey> stdin am i wrong about it using festival server ?
[02:29] <intelikey> or is kttsd  a post dapper thing ?
[02:30] <stdin> intelikey: it can use others, but yes, it uses the festival server (as default)
[02:30] <intelikey> k.
[02:31] <Puppy_> intelikey, I was trying to stay away from festival as mucha s possible. because I was so new I did not want a text to speech app in the terminal. So would I be able use this app (ksayit
[02:31] <jhutchins> Puppy_: They're trying to tell you that you need additional kde packages to support the program you're trying to use.  You can either listen to them and install the packages they've listed, or you can run an equivalent gnome app.
[02:31] <Puppy_> ) now that I have kttsmgr installed?
[02:31] <Puppy_> ok, what apps do I have to install?
[02:31] <jhutchins> Puppy_: The GUI speech programs all use festival in the background.
[02:32] <Puppy_> that is ok as long as I don't have to go into the terminal and type in stuff.
[02:32] <Puppy_> ok, I guess I will try a gnome app. thanks!
[02:32] <jhutchins> Puppy_: Wouldn't hurt you to learn, that's what makes Linux so much more powerful than Mac or Windows.
[02:32] <intelikey> i use festival quit a bit  but ksayit only one time.    so i'd rather defer to others on this issue.
[02:32] <Puppy_> that is true.
[02:33] <Puppy_> thank you all for being so kind, and patient! thanks, bye
[02:34] <jhutchins> Puppy_:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[02:34] <jhutchins> Puppy_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:34] <intelikey> !cli
[02:34] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:34] <jhutchins> intelikey: Same one.
[02:34] <intelikey> there used to be two in that infonode
[02:35] <Alonea> stdin: the sudo modprobe snd-seq, did not work. still getting assertion failed...
[02:35] <jhutchins> intelikey: I think they got merged.
[02:35] <Alonea> #winehq
[02:35] <Alonea> whoops
[02:35] <intelikey> one to an off site page that was pretty good.
[02:35] <jhutchins> intelikey: tldp.org is pretty good.
[02:36] <jhutchins> intelikey: There's also http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[02:36] <intelikey> well yeah  but that's not what i mena.
[02:36] <intelikey> mean
[02:36] <Puppy_> thank you jhuchins! I will have to look at that. thank you all! bye
[02:36] <intelikey> that's it.
[02:36] <jhutchins> Puppy_: Good luck!
[02:36] <jhutchins> That one's more comprehensive.
[02:37] <intelikey> rute-book is comprehensive !
[02:37] <intelikey> ;/
[02:37] <jhutchins> !info gnome-speech
[02:37] <ubotu> Package gnome-speech does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:38] <jhutchins> !find gnome speech
[02:38] <ubotu> Found: abiword-gnome, abiword-plugins-gnome, bluez-passkey-gnome, dia-gnome, gksu (and 583 others)
[02:38] <jhutchins> !find gnomespeech
[02:38] <ubotu> Package/file gnomespeech does not exist in edgy
[02:38] <superkirbyartist> Anyone in the house has an iMac G3?
[02:38] <superkirbyartist> !find your mom
[02:38] <jhutchins> Sorry for the botabuse
[02:38] <ubotu> Package/file your does not exist in edgy
[02:39] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help me with my iMac G3, please?
[02:40] <sonic> is there any reason I need lib*-dev packages if I dont plan on doing any programming or compiling
[02:40] <sonic> >
[02:40] <sonic> ?
[02:40] <stdin> sonic: probably not
[02:40] <jtt> superkirbyartist: dont own one cant help you
[02:40] <intelikey> sonic only if something you want installed depends on some of them.
[02:41] <superkirbyartist> Jtt: It's for direct rendering.
[02:42] <sonic> no dependancies on any of them except the python dev files
[02:42] <sonic> they take up a good 200Mb so I was thinking of removing them
[02:42] <sonic> I had kdevelop and some other stuff installed
[02:42] <intelikey> sonic deborphan is handy for cleaning out un-needed libs
[02:42] <sonic> I think thats why alot where there
[02:43] <sonic> oh
[02:43] <sonic> ok
[02:43] <sonic> intelikey thanks
[02:44] <sonic> but Im scared to use stuff like that cause I tried "apt-get autoremove" and alot of my fonts got messed up
[02:44] <sonic> and cant seem to get them straight
[02:44] <intelikey> install it and do an     sudo while deborphin ;do apt-get remove `deborphan` ;done      that will loop until it runs out of orphaned libs.
[02:45] <khaije1> is there anything for kde that will allow me to tag and filter files? does this idea have any traction?
[02:46] <intelikey> not in my console it doesn't....
[02:46] <intelikey> :)
[02:46] <khaije1> actually intelikey i just realized this can be done w/ acl's ... so your console can do it... :-P
[02:47] <bthibault>  hi there, after i reboot my external hard drive isn't mounted, I can unplug it and plug it back in or I can use `mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1` but it won't automount
[02:47] <khaije1> not acl's so much as eal's, but used interchangably for the most part
[02:47] <intelikey> "<khaije1> is there anything for kde that....does this idea have any traction?"  <<< ^
[02:48] <khaije1> intelikey: i can assure you i don't know what you're talking about
[02:48] <intelikey> that just takes all the fun out of a pun.
[02:49] <compilerwriter> does akregator hand nntp news as well as rss feeds?
[02:49] <intelikey> khaije1 nothing "for kde" is going to "have traction" in a console... :)
[02:50] <khaije1> intelikey: actually it would since both can be used to interface w/ eal's
[02:50] <khaije1> intelikey: yr silly
[02:50] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: knode, pan
[02:50] <compilerwriter> jhutchins: I take that as a no then.  Thanks
[02:51] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: I believe the kontact system just integrated knode.  Correct, akregator is just rss.
[02:51] <compilerwriter> jhutchins which version of kontact?
[02:52] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Last one I looked at did news.
[02:52] <khaije1> intelikey: do you know anything about kde's support for eal/acl's now or in 4.0 ?
[02:52] <jhutchins> I usually just run kmail though.
[02:52] <jhutchins> khaije1: acl support is at the filesystem level, well below kde.
[02:52] <HaSH> anyone know of a application to make webpages? ...im looking to build a simple homepage
[02:53] <jhutchins> HaSH: Well, vi is pretty good.
[02:53] <intelikey> no actually i don't khaije1,  hardly ever use a gui any more.
[02:53] <jhutchins> HaSH: Quanta is a bit more advanced, has some attempts at project management built in.
[02:53] <khaije1> jhutchins: sure, but it's visible and can be modified in kde to some extent, just not sure how much, or if there is a roadmap
[02:53] <HaSH> um i was thinking something with more of a interface.
[02:54] <jhutchins> HaSH: Don't use one of the wordprocessors that does html though, they create HORRIBLE code.
[02:54] <khaije1> intelikey: ok thanks, sorry to be a pain :-)
[02:54] <intelikey> np
[02:54] <jhutchins> khaije1: There's some resistance to it. "File permissions are the unix way!".
[02:54] <HaSH> ok. i dont know any html or coding. is there some sorta idiot program to help me out?.
[02:54] <bthibault> any one know why a external hard drive doesn't autodetect after reboot?
[02:54] <compilerwriter> I am running 1.2.4, but have no knode.  Do I need to install from repos and then fire up kontakt again, jhutchins?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> there's NVu
[02:54] <jhutchins> HaSH: http://www.w3c.org
[02:55] <intelikey> khaije1 right click on the icon     :)))
[02:55] <HaSH> hmm ok ill check that out
[02:55] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: I'm not sure, you probably do need it installed seperately.
[02:55] <jtt> bthibault: usb
[02:55] <khaije1> jhutchins: u mean the 'venerable-bearded-ones' are chosing octal mode perms over acl's hehe ?
[02:55] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Or kubuntu may have done things differently, that was on Mandriva.
[02:55] <HaSH> hmm
[02:55] <stdin> HaSH: amaya is probably what you want
[02:56] <bthibault> jtt: sorry, yes its a usb
[02:56] <jhutchins> khaije1: acl is too Microsoftian.
[02:56] <BluesKaj> Hi jhutchins, stdin... do you know the CLI command for choosing the default browser...I've lost my text file with the common commands due to kernel damage on the lastupgrade .
[02:56] <jtt> bthibault: when did is last work
[02:56] <jhutchins> l8r
[02:56] <HaSH> hmm
[02:56] <compilerwriter> I have adept installing it now.  Would Kontakt then find it when I fire it up again?
[02:56] <bthibault> jtt: well it works if i unplug and replug in , but it doesn't detect on boot for some reason
[02:56] <HaSH> those look hard to use.
[02:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: the web browser?
[02:57] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:57] <stdin> BluesKaj: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[02:57] <khaije1> intelikey: you have a good point, for some reason i thought xubuntu would be faster on my wee lil' laptop (not conclusively demonstrated imho) but it's all i got with me atm
[02:57] <jtt> bthibault: has it ever rediscovered
[02:57] <BluesKaj> thx stdin :)
[02:57] <LM1> :C
[02:57] <stdin> np :)
[02:57] <jtt> bthibault: has it ever detected
[02:57] <LM1> man I am so sad
[02:57] <LM1> I just bought a new system and I can't install kubuntu
[02:57] <bthibault> jtt: i don't think it has ever detect on boot
[02:57] <LM1> *_*
[02:58] <bthibault> jtt: i've just been using `mount` our 'hot plugging' it
[02:58] <LM1> it just locks up when I go to install
[02:58] <intelikey> khaije1 i didn't find any gui faster than blackbox   even twm is only an equal,
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> bought from who?
[02:58] <khaije1> jhutchins: eh, maybe they are right, not likely imo, but possible
[02:59] <jtt> bthibault: is you mouse usb
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: fluxbox?  or is that like comparing apples and apples?
[02:59] <bthibault> jtt: yes, wireless
[02:59] <khaije1> intelikey: do you favor blackbox over fluxbox? i haven't given twm a try in a while, i'll apt it now
[02:59] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido it's like comparing a duck
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't use bb or fb, so i dunno
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought they were both built on the same base or something...
[03:00] <jtt> bthibault: do you know how to boot into single user
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, i've gone in the complete opposite direction of bb's aim.  kde + beryl :)
[03:00] <intelikey> khaije1 yeah i like bb better.   don't really know why.   i guess it's cause i can trim fluxbox to get it where bb starts...  but don't like to have trim a minimalest app
[03:01] <khaije1> Daisuke_Ido: it was one of those confusing project branches iirc
[03:01] <bthibault> jtt: yes
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[03:01] <intelikey> ^5 khaije1
[03:02] <intelikey> sorry i almost missed that.
[03:02] <khaije1> np lol
[03:02] <khaije1> (that was a internal lol-to-myself type lol)
[03:02] <jtt> bthibault: then the next time you boot boot into single user and immediately execute   dmesg > /tmp/dd   and  then   lspci  -vv  >/tmp/vv and see what type of USB messages are in there about the drive perhaps some driver is failing to mount but does detect it
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm...  "Composite Community"
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> surely they can do better than that
[03:03] <jtt> bthibault: actually  lspci -vv will only tell you about what hardware it has detected   dmesg  wil have the boot info
[03:04] <bthibault> jtt: good idea
[03:04] <bthibault> jtt: i'll try that, thanks
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i still vote for "Coryl".  memorable, and provides a lovely aquatic motif for them to build on
[03:04] <jtt> bthibault: ok np
[03:07] <intelikey> odd ASC keyboard has rafter ^ but doesn't have rocker ...
[03:08] <soulrider_> whats the command to add myself to a usergroup ?
[03:08] <khaije1> groupmod
[03:08] <soulrider_> thanks
[03:08] <intelikey> man groupmod
[03:08] <khaije1> man man
[03:08] <khaije1> man up
[03:08] <intelikey> man woman
[03:08] <intelikey> E: no man page for woman
[03:09] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gents according to kontakt web site knode should be functioning as part of the suite.  I just got knode installed and then closed and refired up kontakt.  Knode did not appear as part of the the kontakt suite.  Do I need to fire up knode from terminal for the first time to get things going or what?
[03:09] <soulrider_> err, i just need to add myself to the vmware group, how do i do it? groupmod -h isnt useful at all
[03:09] <khaije1> the final frontier for unix.... women haha
[03:09] <HaSH> !fonts
[03:09] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[03:10] <khaije1> soulrider_: examine the info in 'man groupmod' as intelikey said
[03:10] <thill2708> I have very high idle CPU usage. It hangs around 20% without any procs running. What's the deal?
[03:10] <soulrider_> i just dont ahve time now >.<
[03:10] <dawn> anyone using fiesty now?
[03:10] <intelikey> khaije1 linux-chix
[03:10] <khaije1> intelikey: are you offering?
[03:10] <intelikey> not exactly
[03:11] <intelikey> ;/
[03:11] <soulrider_> i think i want usermod not groupmod
[03:11] <jtt> dawn: i use it a lot but not while traveling
[03:11] <Ashex> anyone used the translate plugin in kopete?
[03:11] <intelikey> soulrider_ i always just edit /etc/group  heh
[03:12] <Yorokobi> thill2708, idle means its not being used.
[03:12] <soulrider_> how can i see a list of groups ?
[03:12] <dawn> I am doing a clean install of kubuntu and pondering about upgrading to see how it works vs. 6.1
[03:12] <soulrider_> nevermind
[03:12] <Yorokobi> thill2708, to see what's using CPU time, use 'top' in konsole
[03:12] <intelikey> soulrider_ cat /etc/group
[03:12] <cheeseboy> why are my ide hardrives sda instead of hda?
[03:12] <intelikey> s
[03:12] <soulrider_> this is fabulous, there is no vmware group
[03:13] <soulrider_> im just getting some really starnge error with vmware
[03:13] <soulrider_> i think vmon isnt loading on startup
[03:13] <cheeseboy> any ideas?
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> !libata | cheeseboy
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <soulrider_> cheeseboy: no idea, on arch my IDE hard drive appears as sda too
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> wth? hehe.
[03:13] <intelikey> cheeseboy cause they are using scsi emulation
[03:13] <jtt> cheeseboy: for some reason some recent kernels defined hda as sda  then it stopped and reverted to hda someone said in the future all would be sda
[03:14] <soulrider_> that kinda makes sense
[03:14] <cheeseboy> im trying to do this http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> !uuid | cheeseboy
[03:14] <ubotu> cheeseboy: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> see that link for the explaination.
[03:15] <cheeseboy> but.. do i change all ide to ssci?
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> cheeseboy: not necessariliy - some libata drivers aren't stable and therefore only cherry picked ones are used with that.
[03:16] <fiction> !nvidia
[03:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> cheeseboy: but if linux is accessing the hd your windows is on with sd instead of hd then you want to subst. that in the vmware how-to as well.
[03:17] <intelikey> fiction don't believe it
[03:18] <fiction> pardon?
[03:18] <Alonea> Hey, when I look at my hda1 (its where my windows is) there doesn't appear to be anything. Did it not mount correctly?
[03:18] <fiction> Alonea: at least it tries to mount. mine doesnt mount my other HDs, only uSB drives =[
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: possibly not - type 'mount' in a konsole to get a list of mounted partitions and where they are mounted.
[03:18] <Cosmo_> I am trying to start up kvpnc but it keeps giving me a error message of "Command 'su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc ' not found." any idea how to fix this?
[03:19] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: nope. it didn't mount automatically like it used to
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: it may be missing from /etc/fstab? or have noauto in the options.
[03:19] <fiction> LeeJunFan: where do i see the files with the auto options again?
[03:19] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: I dunno...it used to, but I had to reformat windows and then reput on the linux bootloader.
[03:20] <intelikey> mounting by uuid and format changed the uuid
[03:21] <intelikey> mount by device node or correct the uuid
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> fiction: you mean for mounting? that'd be /etc/fstab
[03:21] <fiction> LeeJunFan: thanks
[03:21] <intelikey> @ Alonea
[03:21] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: Ok, its listed in fstab
[03:21] <fiction> i know in gnome you can do gksudo nautilus, to browse as root
[03:21] <AmyRose> Is there a way to stop Kopete from notifying me every day that this person I blocked added me to her yahoo buddy list?
[03:21] <LeeJunFan> yeah, formatting probably changed the UUID for your windows, so you need to change the UUID.
[03:21] <fiction> but here sudo konqueror doesnt work
[03:21] <fiction> anyone know how to open konqueror as root?
[03:21] <Alonea> # Entry for /dev/hda1 :
[03:21] <Alonea> UUID=A084B22884B200B8 /media/hda1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1
[03:22] <AmyRose> fiction: kdesu konqueror
[03:22] <fiction> AmyRose: thanks
[03:22] <intelikey> fiction do not use sudo.  use kdesu.
[03:22] <AmyRose> fiction: np. I do it a lot
[03:22] <fiction> me too
[03:22] <fiction> its for the lazy i guess
[03:22] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: sudo vol_id /dev/hda1
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: will give you the new uuid
[03:23] <intelikey> wont blkid do that too ?
[03:23] <AmyRose> but does anyone know how to get Kopete to stop bugging me about people adding me to their buddy lists?
[03:24] <dawn> !kdesu
[03:24] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:24] <soulrider> does anyone know where i can edit the kernel modules to be loaded?
[03:25] <dawn> "graphical applications" hmmmmm... which ones?
[03:25] <Alonea> LeeJunFan: ok, thanks. Do I need to restart now or what?
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> Alonea: no, just sudo mount /dev/hda1
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> err sudo mount /media/hda1
[03:26] <intelikey> soulrider adding  /etc/modules    preventing  /etc/modprobe.d   i think
[03:26] <Alonea> Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean.
[03:26] <soulrider> intelikey: i need to add vmon to my modules
[03:26] <intelikey>  /etc/modules
[03:26] <soulrider> k
[03:27] <soulrider> oh my, intelikey its empty =/
[03:27] <utnubuk> does anybody have any suggestions for an alternative to mac's frontrow that will run on linux?
[03:27] <intelikey> soulrider yeah that's normal
[03:27] <Tm_T> utnubuk: what's frontrow?
[03:27] <soulrider> oh, ok
[03:27] <soulrider> i just add 'vmon' ?
[03:28] <intelikey> soulrider it's a place for you to specify things that the automatic crap missed
[03:28] <Tm_T> AmyRose: heh
[03:28] <utnubuk> Tm_T: it's a media center / home theater type program
[03:28] <Alonea> ah. it says windows had an unclean shutdown...
[03:28] <Alonea> bah, wil just restart
[03:28] <Tm_T> utnubuk: hmm, mythtv?
[03:28] <Tm_T> !mediacenter
[03:28] <intelikey> soulrider what ever you would put in a modprobe command iirc
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediacenter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:28] <fiction> crap im so new to kde
[03:28] <intelikey> less the "modprobe "   of course
[03:28] <teddy_> I am trying to log on to launchpad. I have foregot username and pass word. Can anyone here help
[03:28] <fiction> where do i change the resolution?
[03:29] <lettuce_> is there anyway to do like a system restore in kubuntu?
[03:29] <fiction> k got it
[03:29] <soulrider> intelikey: im first gonna follow the arch wiki
[03:29] <Tm_T> teddy_: check your emails
[03:29] <Tm_T> teddy_: you should get some hint related to it
[03:29] <intelikey> soulrider ok.
[03:29] <jtt> fiction: we are were at one time
[03:29] <jtt> fiction: we all were that is
[03:30] <fiction> jtt: :)
[03:30] <fiction> im liking it
[03:30] <intelikey> we are were    you is am
[03:30] <fiction> he there happy was
[03:30] <fiction> anyone using beryl? i see it here to install in adept
[03:30] <jtt> fiction: i hav always liked better than gnome the original gnome was depressing
[03:30] <teddy_> Tm_T I will be right back I have to go to another computer to check.
[03:30] <lettuce_> i screwed some stuff up and i need to do a system restore. Can I do that on kubuntu?
[03:31] <intelikey> let google translations figure that one out....
[03:31] <fiction> jtt: gnome is ok. personally i think it runs slightly faster than KDE (when opening apps)...besides that, KDE seems.....more awesome?
[03:31] <fiction> awesomer?
[03:31] <intelikey> lettuce_ what / where did you "screwed some stuff up"  and we'll answer that.
[03:32] <cj_> hello to all
[03:32] <Ricky> Hello, I installed ndiswrapper and followed some instructions to get it working... ndiswrapper -l shows driver installed, hardware present, and modprobe ndiswrapper shows no errors. Yet, I don't have a wlan0 interface. How do I get it as an interface? Did I forget something?
[03:32] <fiction> Ricky
[03:32] <fiction> did you find out if its using ath0 or wlan0?
[03:32] <Ricky> my only interfaces are lo, eth0, and sit0
[03:32] <Ricky> None of the 3 have wireless extensions
[03:33] <fiction> Ricky: and youre on wireless?
[03:33] <Ricky> No, I'm connected by ethernet atm
[03:33] <fiction> so whats the prob?
[03:33] <Ricky> My wireless doesn't work!
[03:33] <jtt> Ricky: lspci -vv   grep of  atheros
[03:33] <Ricky> I'm currently camping out in a corner where my router is, it's very uncomfortable, and I want my wireless to work :S
[03:33] <lettuce_> well I screwed up when i added a new link in the repostories and it didn't work. Now I can't use symatic, adept or anything
[03:33] <fiction> did you try using the KnetworkManager?
[03:33] <jtt> Ricky: grep for atheros
[03:33] <dawn> make a longer cat5
[03:34] <Ricky> jtt: invalid option -- w
[03:34] <jtt> Ricky:   that is  two  v's
 Not there.
[03:34] <Ricky> jtt: also, please give me the exact command, I'm pretty new to linux but I know it has something to do with the pipe command...
[03:34] <Ricky> Oh, okay
[03:34] <jtt> Ricky:   lspci  -vv  | grep  -i atheros
[03:35] <Ricky> nothing found
[03:35] <Ricky> I have a broadcom card...
[03:35] <intelikey> lettuce_ ok edit /etc/apt/sources.list  as root and correct the bad link   then in a console do    sudo dpkg --configure -a ;sudo apt-get update    and you should be fixed.
[03:35] <jtt> Ricky: ok then you dont have atheros wireless
[03:35] <Ricky> Nope. Did I say I did?
[03:35] <fiction> thats weird ricky. back in the days i used to have to install and configure ndiswrapper. noadays ubuntu picks up automatically
[03:36] <fiction> well ricky, you have 2 options
[03:36] <jtt> Ricky:  no but someone asked if you had one
[03:36] <Ricky> fiction: nope, definitely didn't pick up my card automatically... Dell Wireless 1500 Draft-N, came in my Dell E1705 bought last fall
[03:36] <teddy_> Tm_T: I did not recieve any e-mails from them.
[03:36] <fiction> 1) buy a nic with atheros chipset. 2) go crazy figuring out a solution
[03:36] <Ricky> jtt: Oh, well anyway, it's a broadcom-based card
[03:36] <intelikey> lettuce_ it happens a lot,  new linux users adding repos; the sources.list gets hosed.   nothing uncommon.
[03:36] <Ricky> fiction: According to the official ndiswrapper list, it is supposed to work. And, ndiswrapper detects the driver and the device. It's just not an interface...
[03:36] <fiction> Ricky: did you check to see if dell has a linux version of their driver?
[03:36] <lettuce_> ok thanks
[03:36] <jtt> fiction: i happen to have atheros but why do you say to use that one
[03:37] <Tm_T> teddy_: interesting
[03:37] <intelikey> lettuce_ if you need a template there is a url  !repos   will tell you.
[03:37] <fiction> jtt: cause u/x/kubuntu detects and installs automaticlaly
[03:37] <Ricky> fiction: No, didn't try that... I just googled ubuntu dell 1500 and all the results talk about ndiswrapper. But I will check anyway.
[03:37] <jtt> fiction: make sense to both of us :-)
[03:37] <fiction> =)
[03:38] <teddy_> Tm_T: I tried all the addresses I can think of. This is what it says (Your account details have not been found. Please check your subscription email address and try again.)
[03:38] <Ricky> also, fiction: can't exactly buy an atheros chipset... Not going to spend the money. I'll go crazy to find the solution instead...
[03:38] <fiction> Ricky: an alternative to ndiswrapper is MadWidfi
[03:38] <fiction> MadWifi
[03:39] <Ricky> Is it comparable? Anything better or worse about it?
[03:39] <intelikey> lettuce_ as far as there being a "system restore" or any equivalant,  no sir.    we don't need it.  we just fix what we break and go on.
[03:39] <fiction> Ricky: don't know. but their website lists all their supported chipsets. if ndiswrapper isnt working for you, you might want to see if MadWifi does
[03:39] <fiction> Ricky: just helping you go less-crazy :)
[03:40] <lettuce_> ok, it won't let me save the .list... what whould I do?
[03:40] <thill2708> if I have no proc or apps running, why would I have my cpu idle at around ~20% in feisty?
[03:40] <intelikey> lettuce_ save as   ~/sources.list
[03:41] <intelikey> lettuce_ get it saved ?
[03:41] <lettuce_> yes!
[03:41] <intelikey> lettuce_   in a konsole    sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/
[03:42] <intelikey> you couldn't save in the /etc cause you were not root.   sudo cp will copy it there as root.
[03:42] <dawn> intelikey: it would be nice to have some sort of ubuntu recovery disk for the lower users.
[03:42] <dawn> ...been told that a few times
[03:43] <Ricky> aha, I just found out about dmesg, and I see errors in it...
[03:43] <intelikey> dawn you mean one that just resets the home dir  ?
[03:43] <Ricky> I'll try a different driver version and come back if I still have problems
[03:43] <lettuce_> ok, now i just put in sudo dpkg --configure -a ;sudo apt-get update right"
[03:43] <intelikey> right
[03:43] <melkor> I use mad wifi for an atheros card
[03:43] <dawn> intelikey: say something breaks and thier distro wont load
[03:44] <dawn> intelikey: they could use a live cd to do a "repair"
[03:44] <dawn> etc..
[03:44] <lettuce_> Everything worked, thank you
[03:44] <melkor> well I almost helped somebody
[03:44] <intelikey> dawn most just reload.  you start talking about "repairing" things and newbeeZ freek.
[03:45] <intelikey> lettuce_ np.
[03:45] <dawn> intelikey: haha, I know.
[03:45] <dawn> :)
[03:45] <intelikey> :)
[03:45] <thill2708> anyone know of high cpu idle usage in feisty?
[03:45] <thill2708> and how to resolve it?
[03:46] <melkor> thill2708 it is probably from running kde
[03:46] <thill2708> melkor: kde at idle will really suck up taht much?
[03:46] <intelikey> thill2708 you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:47] <thill2708> intelikey; did - we were all stuck
[03:47] <intelikey> thill2708 no kde idling uses near nothing.
[03:47] <intelikey> bare default kde   i should say.
[03:48] <intelikey> thill2708 top
[03:48] <intelikey> see what is eating resources
[03:48] <intelikey> and put it on a diet
[03:48] <dawn> lol
[03:48] <thill2708> xorg peaks at about 3-5 percent; etc
[03:48] <thill2708> when I move a konq window around xorg jumps to anywhere between 50 and 75
[03:49] <intelikey> that's normal
[03:49] <thill2708> intelikey; so you're saying I should kill xorg, hald, konsole, top, etc?
[03:49] <thill2708> ;)
[03:49] <thill2708> inteliky; you're joking.
[03:49] <intelikey> no cpu usage will spike when you grab a window and start waving it around.
[03:50] <thill2708> to 50/75%?
[03:50] <dawn> question: are there various revisions to say the 6.10 distro over time?
[03:50] <intelikey> it's not just the pic you are affecting.
[03:50] <Mena> !openoffice
[03:50] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[03:50] <dawn> OOo rocks
[03:50] <intelikey> !lts | dawn
[03:50] <ubotu> dawn: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:50] <Mena> is there a channel for open office
[03:51] <intelikey> dawn short answer   no.
[03:51] <dawn> intelikey: I mean the *.ISO images
[03:51] <dawn> do the cut an image
[03:51] <dawn> then make slight mods to it a few months later?
[03:51] <intelikey> that i can't say for sure on the lts   but on others   no.
[03:52] <dawn> ok
[03:52] <dawn> was wondering
[03:52] <melkor> thill2708, what are you monitoring your cpu speed with
[03:53] <intelikey> any changes should happen within a few days of release.  and there aren't but a few reasons for that.
[03:53] <thill2708> melkor; top, and superkaramba
[03:54] <dawn> ok, so when they cut 6.10 it stays the same. Gotcha, regardless if it is downloaded later
[03:54] <cheeseboy> LeeJunFan you  still there?
[03:54] <Daisuke_Ido> dawn: just like windows (and it hurts to say that), you download a set image, then update over the net once installed
[03:54] <intelikey> dawn yep     changes bug fixes updates will be in the repos
[03:55] <dawn> ok... thx
[03:55] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido you could have went all day without comparing it to M$ .....
[03:56] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: BUT it's a concept most pc users understand
[03:57] <melkor> kde seems to run slower for me in fiesty...and this computer is running edgy and it is not using 20% at idle.
[03:57] <cheeseboy> http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html can someone help me with that?
[03:57] <qebab> Does anyone know how to get rid of the HTTP Cache Cleaner that constantly pops up on my taskbar? (Constantly as in every 1-2 hours)
[03:57] <Mena> do open office open current extention of the MS office 2007
[03:58] <qebab> I was told it's a KDE thing and I should ask here
[03:59] <thill2708> arg, I like kde better, why should it be plagued with high cpu usage?
[03:59] <Tm_T> it's not
[03:59] <qebab> Tm_T, do you know what it is then?
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm using 3.5.6, on feisty, and idling at between 7.5 and 13% usage
[04:00] <qebab> more importantly how I make it run in the background instead of on my toolbar :/
[04:00] <Tm_T> qebab: never seen it
[04:00] <Ricky> Okay, I'm back. How do I add panels to KDE? The Wikipedia article mentions something about a "Wireless Network Information" panel, and I want it but it's not in the list...
[04:00] <qebab> okay
[04:00] <Ricky> And I mean add NEW panels, like download and install them.
[04:00] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: check what's eating your cpu, I'm running amarok (playing) kopete kontact and several other stuff and top is 10 %
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i can tell you right now what's eating my cpu
[04:01] <Tm_T> thill2708: run "top" in konsole
[04:01] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: that is?
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> ktorrent
[04:01] <Tm_T> yup
[04:01] <thill2708> Tm_T; I am. I'm running top and I have a monitor superkaramba panel open, that's it
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> which is why i'm not in the least bit worried about the usage
[04:01] <Tm_T> thill2708: yes, what does top tell you?
[04:02] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: you can't say your desktop is idle if it's running any torrent client
[04:02] <thill2708> Tm_T; xorg runs at around three percent, everything else around 1. but very many.
[04:02] <hansen> thill2708: mine's idling around 3.5%, and that's only because I have a couple of konqueror windows open, otherwise it's doing nothing
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, so that's not idle
[04:02] <thill2708> 10%us idle
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that's current usage :)
[04:02] <thill2708> well, alright, usage
[04:03] <thill2708> but in terms of user interaction, I'm idling
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> thill2708: i was talking about mine :)
[04:03] <thill2708> oh, meh, sorry
[04:03] <joel> Hello everyone
[04:03] <JeffAMcGee> qebab: I've never seen your problem, but this may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63119
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> with ktorrent running and such
[04:03] <fiction> Anyone know how to switch window managers?
[04:03] <Ricky> Is this a repository that I can add into Adept?: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kicker-applets
[04:03] <Tm_T> thill2708: well, my current cpu would be 100 % even without user interaction
[04:03] <Tm_T> Ricky: that package is in ubuntu too
[04:03] <thill2708> Well, you must be running something really intensive in the bg, then, right?
[04:03] <qebab> JeffAMcGee: I tried that one first, but there was no help in it ):
[04:03] <Tm_T> thill2708: many intensive apps, including BOINC
[04:04] <Ricky> Tm_T: where?
[04:04] <thill2708> Tm_T; pass
[04:04] <thill2708> I'd prefer to keep it low and idle :)
[04:04] <JeffAMcGee> At the end it links to the bug database. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/60315
[04:04] <Tm_T> thill2708: well, I rather help in WCG than keep it idle
[04:05] <fiction_> !wm
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <fiction_> !windowmanager
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Tm_T> !info kicker-applets
[04:05] <fiction_> !beryl
[04:05] <ubotu> kicker-applets: applets for Kicker, the KDE panel. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 217 kB, installed size 876 kB
[04:05] <thill2708>  !gdm
[04:05] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:05] <JeffAMcGee> Have you tried changeing the file /usr/share/services/http_cache_cleaner.desktop ?
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Tm_T> fiction_: stop it
[04:05] <fiction_> stop what?
[04:05] <fiction_> im trying to self help
[04:05] <Tm_T> !botabuse
[04:05] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:05] <Ricky> Tm_T: the bot didn't say anything about the link to add to the reposatories tho
[04:05] <fiction_> yea, except im not abusing
[04:05] <Tm_T> Ricky: you don't need tp
[04:06] <Tm_T> fiction_: multiple calls in short time is abusing
[04:06] <fiction_> it was 3x =[
[04:06] <Tm_T> yes
[04:06] <qebab> JeffAMcGee: I've tried setting StartupNotify to False, but I may or may not have done it correctly
[04:06] <qebab> it didn't work so, I'm guessing that I did something wrong
[04:06] <Ricky> Tm_T: Ah, I just found it, the whole package is called kicker-applets.. I thought that was a separate repository or something. Thanks!
[04:07] <Tm_T> Ricky: :)
[04:07] <sonoftheclayr> fiction_: you are tryings to switch window managers? like instead of using gdm you want kdm?
[04:07] <JeffAMcGee> I've never seen this problem before, so I am just guessing.
[04:08] <korrx> cheeseboy : : http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox
[04:08] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: KDM is not window manager
[04:08] <korrx> smarter than Vmware
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> better: instead of kwin you want metacity?
[04:08] <joel> I having problems accessing a webserver running on my box. I can access the page within the network (10.10.0.7) but when I try my external IP it doesn't work (Timeout on server). I have IP Passthrough on my DSL router, my broadband/wireless router is sending port 443 to the server, and the firewall it turned off with FireStarter. What else can be blocking my connection. I don't think that it is my ISP... Am I over looking something? I am
[04:08] <joel> running SSL-Explorer
[04:08] <fiction_> sonoftheclayr: i was trying to switch to beryl.
[04:09] <Tm_T> !beryl | fiction_
[04:09] <ubotu> fiction_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:09] <fiction_> yes i did that, thank you
[04:09] <Tm_T> yes, it has its own support channel ;)
[04:09] <fiction_> im in there =] 
[04:09] <Tm_T> fiction_: and good luck with beryl :)
[04:10] <Tm_T> !hi | LeeJunFan
[04:10] <ubotu> LeeJunFan: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Tm_T: it's not as difficult with feisty :D
[04:10] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: I'm not saying it's difficult
[04:10] <Tm_T> but it's known to be unstable
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, the "good luck" made it sound kinda like sarcasm :)
[04:10] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: it wasn't that really
[04:10] <keisangi> hi there .. anyone knows where i could find a ressources (cpu/memory/harddisk/network)  monitor for kde ?
[04:11] <Tm_T> karmikaze: ksysguard
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm eagerly awaiting the first release from "Compositing Community"
[04:11] <keisangi> something similar to gnome's "system monitor" ..
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !ksysguard | keisangi
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksysguard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> bleh
[04:11] <Tm_T> whops
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> you'd think it would know
[04:12] <keisangi> Daisuke_Ido: i like gunmm / battle anglel alita :)
[04:12] <Tm_T> keisangi: anyway, ksysguard, also known as system monitor or system guard
[04:12] <Tm_T> !info ksysguard
[04:12] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.4 (edgy), package size 486 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[04:12] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: to guard you against the evil .. uh...
[04:12] <keisangi> Tm_T:  Daisuke_Ido: is it installed by default ?
[04:12] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: yes, user itself
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> baa, very good
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> keisangi: yep
[04:12] <Tm_T> keisangi: should
[04:12] <keisangi> i check in my kdemenu
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> system > Ksysguard
[04:12] <fiction_> Tm_T: many thanks
[04:13] <Tm_T> fiction_: don't thank me, I have done nothing really, ever
[04:13] <keisangi> hmmm
[04:13] <keisangi> nothing that could be embeded into the panel, or into the desktop ?
[04:14] <JohnFlux> keisangi: ksysguard works in the panel also
[04:14] <JohnFlux> keisangi: right click on the panel, add applet, add system monitor
[04:15] <qebab> JeffAMcGee:
[04:15] <qebab> robb@robb-laptop:/usr/share/services$ sudo echo StartupNotify=false >> http_cache_cleaner.desktop
[04:15] <qebab> bash: http_cache_cleaner.desktop: Permission denied
[04:15] <qebab> this doesn't seem to work
[04:15] <qebab> do you have any ideas?
[04:15] <keisangi> thank for the help everyone  :)
[04:16] <Tm_T> qebab:  sudo "echo StartupNotify=false >> http_cache_cleaner.desktop"
[04:16] <Tm_T> perhaps?
[04:16] <qebab> let's try that
[04:16] <dawn_> whats the cmd to stop xorg from terminal?
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> pseudo echo...  hehehe
[04:17] <Tm_T> dawn_: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:17] <mrigns> sudo killall X
[04:17] <qebab> well, that didn't actually do anything
[04:17] <Tm_T> mrigns: err, no need to kill
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> mrigns: Tm_T's is the correct way
[04:17] <Tm_T> qebab: what you mean?
[04:17] <keisangi> humm i think i messed up panel applet "system monitor" .. i clicked on "remove graphic, and now the applet display nothing .. how can i reset an applet to it's default settings ?
[04:17] <JohnFlux> keisangi: feel free to tell me suggestions on how to improve ksysguard
[04:17] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: you're saying I'm not correct sometimes?
[04:18] <qebab> Tm_T: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7013
[04:18] <dawn_> thx Tm_T
[04:18] <qebab> I'm trying to write that into the file
[04:18] <JohnFlux> keisangi: rm ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml     is the easiest :-)
[04:18] <teddy_> Tm_T: I got in. Thanks for your help.
[04:19] <keisangi> JohnFlux: so i should delete this file ?
[04:19] <Tm_T> qebab: yes, hmm, sudo su -c "echo StartupNotify=false >> http_cache_cleaner.desktop"
[04:19] <keisangi> ok
[04:19] <JohnFlux> keisangi: to reset the applet yeah
[04:19] <qebab> okay, thank you
[04:19] <Tm_T> teddy_: ?
[04:19] <JohnFlux> keisangi: remove the applet first
[04:19] <keisangi> JohnFlux: ok
[04:19] <qebab> that seems to have worked
[04:19] <qebab> let's see then
[04:19] <Tm_T> :)
[04:20] <Tm_T> su <3
[04:20] <JohnFlux> keisangi: I hope to have time to improve that for kde4
[04:20] <JohnFlux> keisangi: it's pretty sucky
[04:20] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: :)
[04:21] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: btw I use KDE4-sysguard in my KDE3
[04:21] <keisangi> i think it could be improved a bit too :)
[04:21] <Tm_T> it's that much better
[04:21] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: neat :-)
[04:21] <JohnFlux> keisangi: the kde4 version has improved a bit
[04:21] <keisangi> JohnFlux: i mean the way the results are displayed on the panel ...
[04:21] <dawn_> ok, I need the libc header files to be installed. Gone thru this before, but Its been months
[04:22] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: KDE3 version is a) bloated, just too much "separate"  b) it's slow, sloooooow
[04:22] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: but you know this ;)
[04:22] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: for kde4, it will load instantly
[04:22] <dawn_> is lde4 out?
[04:22] <Tm_T> yup, and doesn't take that much cpu
[04:22] <dawn_> *kde4
[04:22] <JohnFlux> dawn_: not yet
[04:22] <Tm_T> dawn_: nope, only for developers
[04:22] <dawn_> :(
[04:22] <cheeseboy> how do i add my user to disk group?
[04:23] <Tm_T> dawn_: before christmas ;)
[04:23] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: at the moment it uses quite a bit of cpu but the next release of qt4 should fix that
[04:23] <dawn_> haha
[04:23] <Tm_T> dawn_: this is actually scheduled :)
[04:23] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: well, it's improved already :)
[04:23] <cheeseboy> anyone know?
[04:24] <keisangi> JohnFlux:  it's not pretty or easily readable ... after that i don't know about the mechanics behind it.. maybe it's very reliable .. and work well.. but the graphical part of it need some improvement imho ... also eventualy being able to have it integrated into the desktop background like gnme desklet or something like that would be nice ..
[04:24] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: kuser might help
[04:24] <cheeseboy> kuser?
[04:24] <Tm_T> yes
[04:25] <JohnFlux> cheeseboy: i think just:   adduser username groupname    works
[04:25] <Tm_T> yes that too
[04:25] <cheeseboy> is itDisk or "Disk group"
[04:25] <JohnFlux> keisangi: *nod*  the first part has been mostly done
[04:26] <JohnFlux> keisangi: it's a lot prettier
[04:26] <dawn_> whats the cmd for seeing what kernel is installed?
[04:26] <cheeseboy> uname -r
[04:26] <qebab> didn't work ):
[04:26] <keisangi> JohnFlux: also being able to add more monitors (network, harddisk) to the panel/applet version would be nice ..
[04:26] <dawn_> thx
[04:26] <JohnFlux> keisangi: the second part won't be done until 4.1 or  so :/
[04:26] <JohnFlux> keisangi: you can
[04:26] <keisangi> ah really ?
[04:26] <JohnFlux> keisangi: run ksysguard, and drag monitors from there to the panel
[04:26] <keisangi> ic :)
[04:26] <keisangi> i try
[04:26] <JohnFlux> it's not obvious though :-)
[04:27] <Tm_T> keisangi: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png <- in desktop like that thing in upper right corner?
[04:27] <keisangi> Tm_T:  yay a screenshot :)
[04:27] <keisangi> yum
[04:28] <Alonea> ok, why is it so reccomended that everything be installed through repo when some things install better from compiling yourself?
[04:28] <keisangi> Tm_T: hmmm nice desktop...
[04:28] <posingaspopular> Alonea: because then we can help you if someone breaks
[04:28] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: that's pretty
[04:28] <posingaspopular> something breaks*
[04:28] <keisangi> on the upper right corner the ressources monitor looks like gtkrelm (i can't remember the exact name)
[04:29] <Alonea> posingaspopular: well, I can't get wine to goto the audio tab. It locks up and I dont know how to do all the settings in the registry
[04:29] <Tm_T> keisangi: it's conky
[04:29] <Alonea> posingaspopular: under winecfg that is
[04:29] <keisangi> ah conky .. yes ..
[04:29] <posingaspopular> Alonea: i dont know about wine at all...
[04:29] <keisangi> i confused them both
[04:30] <Alonea> then i will just go ahead and compile it myself I guess...been trying to get help for a while and not getting a whole lot but being told to compile it myself and try there...
[04:31] <keisangi> Tm_T: is it  a screenshot of current version of kde4 ?
[04:31] <Tm_T> keisangi: nope, KDE3
[04:31] <Tm_T> keisangi: there's not much to show in KDE4 yet
[04:31] <Tm_T> except small bits
[04:32] <Tm_T> and ofcourse crash dialogs =)
[04:32] <keisangi> hehe
[04:32] <Tm_T> right JohnFlux
[04:33] <Tm_T> keisangi: some nostalgy: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kopete-05050-01.png  <- look the date :)
[04:33] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: the crash dialogs work now? :)
[04:33] <JohnFlux> Tm_T: they used to crash :-D
[04:33] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: exactly
[04:34] <cdcooper> Does anyone here use their wireless connection in a static configuration?
[04:34] <keisangi> 20060410 ?
[04:35] <Tm_T> keisangi: yes, well, my second build of Kopete from KDE4 development
[04:35] <Tm_T> so that means over year with KDE4 fun here :)
[04:35] <keisangi> :)
[04:36] <Tm_T> but that's offtopic
[04:36] <keisangi> bah it's  quiet anyway
[04:36] <cheeseboy> how do i start vmware player from terminal?
[04:37] <keisangi> cheeseboy: i dunno i don't use vmware .. sorry
[04:37] <keisangi> cheeseboy: you could give xen or qemu a try maybe
[04:38] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: I assume it's something like, hmm, vmware<tab>
[04:38] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: where <tab> means hit tabulator there
[04:38] <Tm_T> if one hit gives nothing, hit thice ;)
[04:39] <cheeseboy> whats a tabulator?
[04:39] <keisangi> cheeseboy: the tab key on your keyboard
[04:39] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: |<- ->|
[04:39] <Tm_T> above capslock usually
[04:40] <cheeseboy> vmware                    vmware-config-network.pl  vmware-ping
[04:40] <keisangi> left part of your keyboard .. this key do auto completion .. if you type a command halfway, then hit tab key, the shell will auto complete the command name for you
[04:41] <bill> hey, what proggy do I need to view NTFS partitions?
[04:41] <cheeseboy> didnt work
[04:41] <keisangi> cheeseboy: so there , the shell tells you you have only two command starting with "vmware"*****
[04:41] <Tm_T> !ntfs | bill
[04:41] <ubotu> bill: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:43] <keisangi> cheeseboy: you could try to look at what installed package you have in your system that have "vmware"  in their name/description .. do you know dpkg command ?
[04:43] <cheeseboy> Apr 12 22:31:43: vmx| DISKLIB-LIB   : Failed to open '/home/greg/Desktop/windows.vmdk' with flags 0xa (The system cannot find the file specified).
[04:43] <cheeseboy> thats theactuall problem
[04:43] <cheeseboy> the files right there
[04:44] <keisangi> does it work in GUI mode ?
[04:44] <keisangi> why do you want to start it in term mode?
[04:44] <cheeseboy> vmware-playeror loading the disk
[04:44] <cheeseboy> ?
[04:45] <keisangi> cheeseboy:  you were asking about "how to start vmware player from command line" right ?
[04:45] <Tm_T> !away | manchicken|away
[04:45] <ubotu> manchicken|away: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[04:46] <keisangi> so when you try to use it normaly (not from command line) is it working ?
[04:46] <cheeseboy> only to see error but i found log
[04:46] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: :)
[04:46] <cheeseboy> it doesnt work at all
[04:46] <Alonea> anyone at all know why I can't get to my audio tab on winecfg?
[04:47] <cheeseboy> Tm_T ?
[04:47] <Tm_T> Alonea: sorry no
[04:47] <Tm_T> cheeseboy: just good to see when someone is really trying to debug problems instead of just wondering
[04:47] <cheeseboy>  Alonea try #winehq
[04:48] <Alonea> cheeseboy: they were no help
[04:48] <cheeseboy> you audio works normmaly?
[04:49] <bill> ok, is there a way for me to format a compact flash card that is corrupt???
[04:49] <cheeseboy> in kubuntu
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of a way I can get hal to mount my external hd with special permissions? If I just add it to fstab then it doesn't get automounted.
[04:49] <Tm_T> bill: hmm, there is a tool, I think
[04:50] <Alonea> cheeseboy: yeah. perfectly fine. No problems at all
[04:50] <bill> Well, I would greatly appreciate it if I could find it. I need to fix my Palm LD, and I leave for an out of town trip in two days
[04:50] <Tm_T> bill: kfloppy perhaps?
[04:50] <bill> hmm, I'll give it a whirl
[04:51] <cheeseboy> Alonea is the tap there or frozen or unclickable?
[04:52] <Alonea> cheeseboy: When I click on it, the hourglass shows up and it doesnt do anything else. When I try to close the app, linux says its not responding and asks if I want to terminate (or I have to kill it with ctrl+ esc)
[04:52] <netdaemon> any of you guys use kopete?
[04:53] <cheeseboy> so wine freezes
[04:53] <Alonea> cheeseboy: yup.
[04:53] <flaccid> netdaemon: yeah
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Konverstion for IRC , aMSN for IM
[04:53] <netdaemon> flaccid, how can i set my own nick in aim and yahoo?
[04:54] <cheeseboy> Alonea open terminal run winecfg do what it does to crash and paste output
[04:54] <netdaemon> aim seems to keep reverting back =\
[04:54] <flaccid> netdaemon: if its reverting, i'm not sure why. i don't use aim or yahoo
[04:55] <Alonea> cheeseboy: oh, i pasted that earlier, lemme find the paste
[04:55] <cheeseboy> ok
[04:55] <httpdss> does someone know why knetworkmanager identifies a WPA network as a WEP network ? ... second question... when trying to assign my wifi card to a Unsecured network, knetworkmanager tries to use wpa_supplicant, any clue how to fix this ?? :S
[04:56] <Alonea> cheeseboy: http://pastebin.ca/437349
[04:57] <arunkale> !baghira
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baghira - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <cheeseboy> Alonea whats your soundcard?
[05:01] <Alonea> cheeseboy: umm, not sure. its whatever came with my laptop. Its only a year old. Altec lansing is whats on the speaker cover
[05:02] <nandoPOA> belo canal.. hehe
[05:03] <cheeseboy> Alonea lspci | grep audio
[05:03] <Alonea> cheeseboy: 00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[05:04] <the_hammer> :)
[05:04] <jarn> Is there any way to change the icons for programs in the system tray? Would I need to make a custom icon set?
[05:05] <Kr4t05> Hrm... How woul d I best go about setting up a USB game controller in Feisty?
[05:07] <arunkale> Is Feisty out already?!
[05:07] <jarn> No.
[05:07] <jarn> A week, I believe.
[05:07] <jarn> I think it's scheduled for the 19th.
[05:08] <arunkale> Ah
[05:08] <arunkale> Any significant improvements?
[05:08] <dawn_> ok I a lost
[05:08] <jarn> Dunno. I'm waiting patiently. :P
[05:09] <dawn_> I have 2.6.17-10-generic kernel and must install libc header files
[05:09] <dawn_> how?
[05:10] <Kr4t05> dawn_: sudo aptitude install libc6-dev
[05:10] <Kr4t05> I think...
[05:10] <Kr4t05> Yeo
[05:10] <Kr4t05> Yep**
[05:11] <cheeseboy> Alonea have u ever been ble to get to sound tab?
[05:11] <cheeseboy> able*
[05:11] <Alonea> cheeseboy: today was first time I ever tried I think.
[05:11] <Alonea> cheeseboy: first time I have tried to use wine. generally have bad luck with it
[05:12] <dawn_> Kr4t05: did that already adn it gave me, no candidate version found
[05:12] <cheeseboy> have you tried reinstall?
[05:13] <dawn_> dont i have to add-in the kernel ver?
[05:13] <cheeseboy> @ Alonea
[05:13] <chocobo> hey can someone hlep me
[05:13] <Tm_T> !helpme
[05:13] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:13] <posingaspopular> !ask
[05:13] <Alonea> cheeseboy: I guess I can try that. Just do reinstall with adept right?
[05:13] <Tm_T> posingaspopular: hah, slow
[05:13] <chocobo> I was upgrading to 6.06 LTS and then now it wants me to remove obsolete packages
[05:13] <Kr4t05> dawn_: Do you have uni/multiverse?
[05:13] <posingaspopular> Tm_T: i tried...
[05:14] <dawn_> one sec
[05:14] <cheeseboy> Alonea yes
[05:14] <Tm_T> chocobo: and?
[05:14] <chocobo> do i remove?
[05:14] <Tm_T> chocobo: what you mean by "want"
[05:14] <chocobo> it says Remove obsolete packages. 91 packages are going to be removed
[05:14] <Tm_T> hmm, that many
[05:15] <Tm_T> do you have kubuntu-desktop package installed?
[05:15] <chocobo> i am upgrading from 5.10 to 6.06
[05:15] <chocobo> ya
[05:15] <chocobo> KDE
[05:15] <Tm_T> ok, then let it go and fix later ;(
[05:15] <chocobo> is it gonna swich me back to gnome?
[05:15] <Tm_T> nope
[05:15] <daquino> hi!!
[05:15] <Tm_T> hope not :-P
[05:15] <chocobo> what am i going to have to fix?
[05:16] <Tm_T> chocobo: we'll see, depends what will be broken if any
[05:16] <Tm_T> oh boy
[05:16] <CraZy675> I just bought a new 22" widescreen monitor.  How do I set it up from my 19" non wide screen?
[05:16] <Alonea> cheeseboy: nope. did not help
[05:16] <Tm_T> CraZy675: plug it in
[05:17] <CraZy675> Tm_T: I did I got a signal not recognized
[05:17] <Tm_T> CraZy675: Xorg should configure itself, if not, then uhm, we need some work :)
[05:17] <Tm_T> CraZy675: interesting
[05:17] <Tm_T> !monitor
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <CraZy675> Tm_T: I have the settings set for this monitor exacly
[05:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:18] <Tm_T> CraZy675: it's all in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:18] <morphinex> Hey folks. I installed xubuntu but decided that I wanted to switch to kubuntu, so installed the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:19] <morphinex> Now apt-get wants to autoremove all the kubuntu-desktop packages
[05:19] <morphinex> Any ideas on how to fix this>
[05:19] <CraZy675> Tm_T: I'm thinking I'm going to try to set the monitor to plug n play after making a back up of that config
[05:19] <Tm_T> CraZy675: ok, good luck :)
[05:19] <Tm_T> morphinex: autoremove? oh, that's apt joy, humm, can you ignore it? :)
[05:20] <arunkale> Does anyone use Thunderbird here?
[05:20] <morphinex> Tm_T: I guess, but will it cause problems down the road
[05:20] <Tm_T> morphinex: should not
[05:20] <morphinex> for example, when trying to upgrade to fiesty?
[05:20] <Tm_T> morphinex: just don't run autoremove and you should be fine :)
[05:21] <bill> is there an easier way for me to install kfloppy?
[05:21] <morphinex> Tm_T: heh, so there is no fix? I mean, it is pretty annoying...
[05:21] <Tm_T> morphinex: I bet I have longer autoremove list than you ;)
[05:21] <morphinex> Tm_T: haha
[05:21] <Tm_T> morphinex: well, there is, sorta, hmm, can't remember though
[05:21] <bill> downloading the deb files from the internet is a problem, because there are half a trollion dpendencies trees
[05:21] <Tm_T> morphinex: search bugs in launchpad
[05:22] <bill> and I can't type for crap tonight
[05:23] <morphinex> Tm_T: perhaps it is this one: apt wants to auto-remove all my system!!!
[05:23] <Alonea> Ok, according to a guy in #winehq, the wine packages in adept are borked.
[05:24] <dawn_> Kr4t05: Thx, I just changed my sources list to reflect uni/mult universe
[05:24] <cheeseboy> Alonea work for me
[05:25] <cheeseboy> what version of ubuntu you on?
[05:25] <Alonea> cheeseboy: *shrugs* I am just going to compile it myself. At least then I will know what is the problem
[05:25] <Alonea> Edgy Eft
[05:25] <bill> anyone? please?
[05:25] <chocobo> anybody know the webpage for seeing how to update to edgy eft from LTS?
[05:26] <cheeseboy> Alonea you could try upgrading to fawn
[05:26] <Alonea> cheeseboy: Fiesty is still in beta
[05:26] <chocobo> till next week
[05:26] <Alonea> cheeseboy: I am waiting for final release
[05:27] <cheeseboy> Alonea release candiate
[05:27] <cheeseboy> i thinl..
[05:27] <cheeseboy> think..*
[05:28] <bill> is there a svn or something I can use to install kfloppy?
[05:28] <bill> whenever I try to install it, it has a ton of dependency trees
[05:28] <bill> like, installing from the deb file I downloaded
[05:28] <cheeseboy> Alonea april 19th so there pretty much done
[05:29] <Alonea> cheeseboy: I dont want to have to redo everything right now. That means wificard (ndiswrapper) and my video card.
[05:30] <cheeseboy> Alonea ok then you can try wines .deb
[05:31] <bill> anyone?? this is really important to me
[05:33] <sonoftheclayr> bill: whats your problem?
[05:33] <Tm_T> morphinex: =)
[05:34] <bill> I need to just wipe thise compact flash card
[05:34] <bill> it is corrupt
[05:34] <Alonea> cheeseboy: I HAVE AN AUDIO TAB! w000t!
[05:34] <bill> and someone suggested kfloppy, but it has tons of dependencies to install from the deb file
[05:34] <Tm_T> Alonea: woohoo
[05:34] <Tm_T> bill: wait
[05:34] <chocobo> does anybody know why amarok doesn't play sound?
[05:35] <Tm_T> !sound | chocobo
[05:35] <ubotu> chocobo: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:35] <sonoftheclayr> bill: it isn't in the repos?
[05:35] <cheeseboy> Alonea what was it?
[05:35] <Tm_T> bill: install kfloppy from adept or using apt-get
[05:35] <bill> hmmm
[05:35] <Tm_T> bill: always first search from adept or similar ;)
[05:36] <bill> ok, I'll give it a whirl
[05:36] <Alonea> cheeseboy: the one in the sources from Kubuntu dont work (for me at least)
[05:36] <bill> I'm still learning the whole linux thing
[05:36] <Tm_T> bill: also apt:/ in Konqueror
[05:36] <bill> well adept didn't show anything
[05:36] <Tm_T> bill: it's ok, we are all learning :)
[05:36] <Cosmo_> I am trying to install the citrix vpn for my work using the instructions at https://216.241.173.165/full_linux_instructions.html but when I run the program it had me download this is what it says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15316/ , can anyone help me?
[05:36] <Tm_T> bill: oh? hmm
[05:36] <Tm_T> !universe | bill
[05:36] <ubotu> bill: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:37] <Alonea> they want me to post a bug report to the kubuntu guys. where would I do that?
[05:37] <Tm_T> Alonea: launchpad.net
[05:37] <chocobo> there is no system settings
[05:37] <bill> quick question....what do I do to find out what version of ubuntu I am using? I always get confused with all of the names
[05:38] <Tm_T> bill: you have some KDE application running?
[05:39] <Tm_T> bill: or better, open Konsole and type cat /etc/issue
[05:39] <bill> lol, everything I have running is KDE cept opera
[05:39] <Alonea> Tm_T: which project?
[05:39] <jordo23> I have someone trying to login to my system....how do I disable desktop sharing?
[05:39] <bill> well  know I'm 6.10
[05:39] <Tm_T> Alonea: ubuntu :)
[05:39] <bill> but what is it called?
[05:40] <jordo23> When I go to System Settings and Sharing....and click Administrator mode....it will not let me uncheck the option...
[05:40] <Tm_T> bill: Edgy Eft, I hope people learn to use version numbers :)
[05:40] <jordo23> He just logged off...
[05:40] <bill> lol, I agree
[05:40] <Alonea> Tm_T: which one?
[05:41] <Tm_T> Alonea: which which?
[05:41] <Alonea> Tm_T: there are a few different ones with "ubuntu"
[05:41] <Tm_T> Alonea: wait
[05:41] <Cosmo_> did you see the name they announced for 7.10?
[05:41] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: gusty gibbon!
[05:41] <posingaspopular> !gusty
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gusty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <posingaspopular> hmmm
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> !gutsf
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutsf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> !gutsy
[05:41] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:41] <sonoftheclayr> !gutsy
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> there you go
[05:41] <Tm_T> Alonea: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine
[05:41] <posingaspopular> ahhh i see
[05:42] <Tm_T> Alonea: that should be the package, if wine is the issue
[05:42] <Cosmo_> who or what is gibbon?
[05:42] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbon
[05:42] <Tm_T> Cosmo_: wikipedia helps
[05:42] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: :)
[05:42] <posingaspopular> Cosmo_: it's like a monkey
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> its a small ape
[05:42] <Tm_T> posingaspopular: it is monkey =)
[05:42] <Cosmo_> duh I should have thought to use wikipidia hehe
[05:42] <posingaspopular> Tm_T: opps
[05:42] <posingaspopular> Cosmo_: it's a monkey
[05:43] <Tm_T> posingaspopular: good save
[05:43] <sonoftheclayr> Gibbons are small apes
[05:44] <Alonea> sweet! oblivion has finally loaded
[05:44] <sonoftheclayr> not monkeys
[05:44] <Cosmo_> so does that mean that 7.10 will fling poo at windows?  =)
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Cosmo_: so easy to install, a monkey can do it
[05:44] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: ubuntu already does
[05:45] <Tm_T> sonoftheclayr: sorry, but in my vocabulary monkey is same as ape :{
[05:45] <Tm_T> :/ even
[05:45] <sonoftheclayr> Tm_T: a lot of people make that mistake
[05:46] <Cosmo_> true, if I could just get a few issues resolved I can kiss windows goodby thankfully
[05:46] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: issues such as...
[05:47] <Cosmo_> sonoftheclayr: getting my printer to coperate and get this VPN for work working
[05:47] <bill> grrr....adept starting loading up, then it just disappeared
[05:47] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: right place, wrong person :)
[05:49] <Tm_T> !printing | Cosmo_
[05:49] <ubotu> Cosmo_: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:50] <bill> wait a minute....you loaded oblivion in 7.10???
[05:53] <Tm_T> 7.10 ?
[05:54] <jtt> Tm_T: 7.10 what
[05:54] <Tm_T> 06:50 < bill> wait a minute....you loaded oblivion in 7.10???
[05:55] <Alonea> bill: I dont have fiesty yet. Still at Edgy
[05:55] <bill> wait
[05:55] <bill> nvm, misread that
[05:55] <bill> but you can run oblivion anyways?
[05:55] <Alonea> bill: and I am reinstalling it actually because I saw that patch makes it work less. but it did load.
[05:56] <Alonea> bill: will give final say on it here in about five minutes. It is possible though according to other people
[05:56] <natham> hi, im trying to run skype y always got device problem, then i run it from console an i got this, ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave. Any idea?
[05:56] <Alonea> bill: You gotta turn down some of the sound effects, but other than that, its supposed to work pretty well on the original dvd version
[05:57] <bill> crazy
[05:57] <bill> that's awesome though
[05:57] <bill> how many games can you play on ubuntu?
[05:57] <Tm_T> !skype | natham
[05:57] <ubotu> natham: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[05:57] <bill> I know you can load WoW
[05:57] <the_hammer> any one here use beyrl?
[05:58] <the_hammer> beryl*
[05:58] <Tm_T> bill: many, ET runs native (yes, there's Linux version of it)
[05:58] <Tm_T> !beryl | the_hammer
[05:58] <ubotu> the_hammer: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:58] <arunkale> I just downloaded a new Style from kde-look.org.. how can i apply it? it's a .deb file
[05:58] <Tm_T> bill: there,s FreeCiv, Wesnoth, Supertux, just to mention a few
[05:59] <sonoftheclayr> arunkale: right click on the deb package and open out the kubuntu package menu and click install package
[05:59] <NetersLandreau> arunkale: man deb
[05:59] <Tm_T> NetersLandreau: well that is not very helpful
[05:59] <NetersLandreau> sorry :(
[05:59] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:59] <arunkale> NetersLandreau: Seems to have worked
[05:59] <arunkale> thanks
[05:59] <Tm_T> I know, man bashing is easy
[06:00] <sonoftheclayr> easy isn't always helpful
[06:00] <Tm_T> exactly
[06:00] <NetersLandreau> no Tm_T, it's just the way i would have done i.. again, i apologize
[06:00] <Tm_T> NetersLandreau: no need to
[06:00] <Tm_T> NetersLandreau: just slap me when I don't seem to be helpful ;)
[06:00] <bill> cool beans
[06:01] <bill> oh yeah, anyways, my problem
[06:01] <bill> now adept won't load
[06:01] <Tm_T> !away | dfoer|afk
[06:01] <ubotu> dfoer|afk: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[06:01] <Tm_T> bill: hmm, run it from Konsole: "kdesu adept"
[06:03] <arunkale> NetersLandreau: What if it's a .kth file
[06:04] <natham> how can i set the default recording card (i have 2 i want to use the mic, an play the audio on other?
[06:05] <dawn_> strange my xorg.conf got hosed
[06:05] <dawn_> install nvidia 9755 driver
[06:05] <dawn_> try again
[06:05] <dawn_> :/
[06:06] <dfoer|afk> !guidelines
[06:06] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:07] <Tm_T> dfoer|afk: yup, turn that afk off please
[06:14] <bill> kdesu: error while loading shared libraries: libfam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:14] <dfoer>  sorry about that. I'm still learing IRC commands/etiquitte, etc.
[06:15] <dfoer> I am reading the guidlines, however
[06:15] <Tm_T> dfoer: no problem :)
[06:17] <bill> I really, really need to wipe this CF card tonight if possible
[06:17] <sonoftheclayr> bill: use sudo apt-get install kfloppy
[06:22] <kai> cam any one help mount my iPod in Amarok
[06:23] <bill> unmet dependencies
[06:24] <kai> is there nay one that can help me out at all?
[06:24] <Ashex> anyone know where I can grab the bootsplash images?
[06:24] <Ashex> erov, where they are located?
[06:25] <Torpark_User> could main panel have different settings for different desktop?
[06:27] <sonoftheclayr> bill: sudo apt-get -f install
[06:28] <kai> no one knows how to mount an Ipod for access in amarok
[06:28] <jtt> kai: that appears to be the case
[06:29] <Cosmo_> what is the command line for removing a file?
[06:29] <sonoftheclayr> Cosmo_: rm
[06:29] <jtt> kai: if someone knows they are not speaking up have you tried #ubuntu
[06:30] <kai> no, I only know how to get here, I was never a huge IRC person
[06:30] <jza873> hello i have a question i been using kubuntu for like 3 weeks now and im still learning.  but im stuck hwo do you switch desktops in console mode or make kde the default when i type startx
[06:31] <kai> It wasn't hard to do, but I can't rember what steps it was and there is one command I did that I don't remeber
[06:31] <Torpark_User> sorry for abort, anyone answer else?
[06:33] <jza873> any suggestions wher i might locate this information
[06:34] <Lynoure> jza873: ctrl+alt+ f-keys, if I understood your question rightg
[06:34] <Lynoure> jza873: ctrl+alt+f7 is X, rest are consoles
[06:34] <jordo23> Does KDE have a front end to PGP?
[06:35] <zombiedog> Holy crap. Is Taladan still here?
[06:35] <Lynoure> jordo23: yes, lemme check its name
[06:35] <Taladan> yeah
[06:35] <zombiedog> Sweet.
[06:35] <Taladan> but studying
[06:35] <Tm_T> jordo23: kgpg
[06:35] <Taladan> what's up?
[06:35] <jza873> no i might has misphrased it say i boot my computer and it boots into console mode i log in and when i type start x it defaults to gnome
[06:35] <zombiedog> Anyway, I won't be up to much, just watching and seeing what I can absorb.
[06:35] <Tm_T> Lynoure: you're late
[06:35] <zombiedog> On the plus side, though, I work up ntfsmount
[06:35] <zombiedog> *worked up
[06:36] <jordo23> thanks
[06:36] <Lynoure> Tm_T: that's ok :) Not competing on support speed
[06:36] <Taladan> ntfsmount?
[06:36] <Tm_T> Lynoure: what? when did it end?
[06:36] <zombiedog> Yeah.
[06:36] <Lynoure> Tm_T: when I blogged that I'm taking at least a week off...
[06:36] <Tm_T> ah, right
[06:36] <Lynoure> Tm_T: I'm still mostly not doing it anymore.
[06:36] <zombiedog> It's nice to have access to my work files during the transition period
[06:39] <the-erm> Is feisty out?
[06:39] <the-erm> I thought I read somewhere it was out today ....
[06:39] <zombiedog> Well, I'm using it. :P
[06:40] <fiction> Hi. How do i disable X at login?
[06:40] <the-erm> According to the upgrade page it's beta.
[06:40] <fiction> so when the computer starts, it asks me to login from the cli
[06:40] <Tm_T> the-erm: release candidate was due today, release is 19.4.
[06:41] <matrix_> is there a recommend firewall ui for kubuntu? should i use firestarter? should i use guarddog?
[06:41] <the-erm> Tm_T: 19.4?? Is that the version or the date 4-19-07?
[06:41] <Tm_T> the-erm: date
[06:42] <the-erm> zombiedog: have there been a lol of bugs
[06:43] <zombiedog> I haven't gotten any so far, actually
[06:43] <zombiedog> I mean, I did blow up xorg earlier today, but that was because I was touching what I ought not, and I had a backup, anyway.
[06:44] <fiction> Hi. how do login from a cli....aka not have X start automatically at login
[06:47] <jza873> hay fiction see if this helps
[06:47] <jza873>  Re: How do I stop X from starting at boot?
[06:47] <jza873> This probably wouldn't save all that many resources, unless you're particularly starved for them. If it sits idle, most of XFCE will be swapped out to disk anyway. Assuming you're using Dapper (or anything before edgy), you can do this easily by apt-get install sysv-rc-conf, then sudo sysv-rc-conf and remove gdm from runlevel 2.
[06:47] <jza873> Edit: this might actually work fine in edgy, but I don't know anything about upstart yet.
[06:48] <jza873> thats what i found so maybe that will help
[06:48] <jza873> try this link from the forum
[06:48] <jza873> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278725&highlight=start+from+a+cli
[06:49] <zombiedog> Sweet. I have barely any idea what I'm doing, but I love the linux shell.
[06:49] <zombiedog> It's fascinating in its functionality, especially after windows xp
[06:53] <jza873> question i was trying to install cinerella form a tar ball and i have to compile it from source and teh documentation that i found sucks  how do you compile  from source to i can breate a workabe binary
[06:53] <jza873> can any one answer taht or  did i get too technical or not phrase it correctly
[06:53] <zombiedog> I can answer in that it is hard.
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> jza873, usually, its ./configure, then make, then sudo make install
[06:54] <zombiedog> Or tedious
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> usually
[06:54] <jza873> well i did that and got an error
[06:54] <zombiedog> Never-ending dependancy hell, I think it's called. :P
[06:54] <Tm_T> jza873: any reason why you are compilinf it?
[06:54] <Tm_T> compiling even
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> jza873, do you have build-essential installed
[06:54] <Tm_T> !cinelerra
[06:54] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[06:54] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:55] <Tm_T> jza873: look that
[06:55] <jza873> well i use to do video editing and i want to get back in to it and i herd its a great video editor the problem is on the site all it has is teh source
[06:55] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder if it can be installed without compiling
[06:56] <jza873> i have the link if you wan tto try
[06:56] <jza873> http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3
[06:56] <jza873> but i had no luck
[06:56] <Tm_T> jza873: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[06:56] <Tm_T> look that one instead ;)
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> that ones got repos :)
[06:56] <Cosmo_> this driving me crazy , I installed the drivers for my brother 1840c printer but it is still not bringing up my printer drivers as an option when I try to add a printer
[06:57] <jza873> problem is i dont have edgy i have feisty do you think that will make a diff edgy wouldnt load a driver for the gigabyte lan so i had to go with the newest
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> jza873, shouldn't be, probably
[07:00] <jza873> ok its downloading from the repo thanks ill see if it works
[07:01] <ubuntu> wow, did I foobar things up
[07:01] <zombiedog> I did that this morning
[07:01] <ubuntu> lol
[07:01] <zombiedog> :P
[07:01] <ubuntu> I installed an nvidia update, and POW
[07:01] <ubuntu> no login
[07:02] <ubuntu> do u know the command to restore the xorg settings?
[07:02] <zombiedog> Actually, I just learned this this morning, I did the same thing
[07:02] <jza873> yo hitmanWilly thanks it works
[07:02] <ubuntu> I created a text file on my desktop, and put instructions there, but using the live cd, I cannot access that file
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> jza873, good :)
[07:02] <jza873> how did you address me in red tho
[07:02] <ubuntu> zombiedog: u remember how u fixed it?
[07:03] <zombiedog> Yeah
[07:03] <ubuntu> cool
[07:03] <zombiedog> I had made a copy of xorg.conf in the etc/X11 directory.
[07:04] <ubuntu> bad news fo me...no backup
[07:04] <zombiedog> I think though that the system might make them automatically
[07:04] <zombiedog> Like, iterative
[07:04] <ubuntu> but, the msg that came up after it installed the update, said to revert simply type cp....something
[07:04] <zombiedog> There's xorg.conf. Is there anything like xorg.conf.1, xorg.conf.2 etc
[07:04] <zombiedog> ?
[07:05] <jza873> any one have any ideas say i boot into cli and i type startx is there any way to tell it what desktop i want it to start in because it defaults to gnome and i dont like it much  i want it to start in  kde but it dont want to
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: did you download it from the nvidia site or from the repos
[07:05] <ubuntu> well it said if you have problems with the update, simply type <long string of stuff>
[07:05] <ubuntu> and I know the string began with "cp"
[07:05] <netdaemon> what all do i need to play dvd's in kaffeine? got libdvdnav libdvdread3, and i ran the libdvdcss script and installed successfully
[07:05] <ubuntu> whatever that is
[07:05] <netdaemon> restarted kaffiene...still no go =(
[07:05] <ubuntu> hitmanwilly: repos
[07:06] <zombiedog> ...Well, if you have the text file on your desktop you should be able to get to it
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, hmmm, that usually works well
[07:06] <zombiedog> From the recovery console
[07:06] <ubuntu> with the live cd, how do I get to my desktop?
[07:06] <zombiedog> You don't
[07:06] <zombiedog> But if you have a bootloader, you should be able to go into the recovery prompt
[07:06] <ubuntu> yes, I can
[07:06] <ubuntu> but then what?
[07:07] <jtt> jza873: do you have the kde desktop packages loaded
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: mount the harddrive then browse to <your home>/.desktop
[07:07] <zombiedog> cd /home/[username] /desktop
[07:07] <zombiedog> Or that also.
[07:08] <jza873> yea i have kde afterstep blackbox and gnome
[07:09] <ubuntu> how do I mount the drive?
[07:09] <ubuntu> sorry, newbie here
[07:09] <zombiedog> I am, too
[07:09] <jza873> same here
[07:09] <ubuntu> :\
[07:09] <zombiedog> I think it's mount /dev/hda1
[07:10] <blackerch> help some one
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, is it an ide or sata drive?
[07:10] <Taladan> What file system
[07:10] <bill> wtf
[07:10] <ubuntu> in run command?
[07:10] <blackerch> i just install
[07:10] <zombiedog> Or 'hda(whatever number the partition is)
[07:10] <ubuntu> ide
[07:10] <bill> omg
[07:10] <blackerch> ubuntu
[07:10] <bill> ok, I ran the command someone above told me to
[07:10] <bill> and I lost almost everysingle one of my apps
[07:10] <blackerch> i got a problem with my internet
[07:10] <bill> everything
[07:10] <bill> everything is gone
[07:10] <bill> I have nothing to run
[07:10] <zombiedog> ...What command would that be, then?
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu mount -t ext3 /dev/hda <mountpoint>
[07:10] <zombiedog> Just so I know to never use it ever. :P
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 <mountpoint>, sorry
[07:11] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: He's gonna need the partition number
[07:11] <Taladan> heh
[07:11] <Taladan> bill - what command?
[07:11] <ubuntu> and mount point is  ...?
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, wherever you want it to be
[07:11] <bill> sudo apt-get -f install
[07:11] <Taladan> ubuntu - an empty directory
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> just pick a directory
[07:12] <jtt> jza873: then you can execute kdm at the  command line and it should start kde
[07:12] <Taladan> bill - that shouldn't kill your install...it should fix any broken apts that you have installed.
[07:12] <Taladan> apts..
[07:12] <Taladan> debs
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> sudo dpkg --configure should do the same thing
[07:13] <bill> lemme pastebin it
[07:13] <bill> this is bad
[07:14] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15317/
[07:14] <bill> how do I fix it?
[07:14] <ubuntu> don't know if the mount worked
[07:14] <ubuntu> says finished, now what?
[07:14] <zombiedog> Something should've appeared on the desktop
[07:14] <zombiedog> I think, at least
[07:15] <blackerch> can u help me please !!can u help me please !!can u help me please !!can u help me please !!can u help me please !!
[07:15] <bill> I would've stopped it if I realized what it was doing
[07:15] <bill> but I was working on other things
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, browse to wherever you mounted it, you entire hdd should be in it
[07:15] <zombiedog> blackerch, no-one can help you unless you tell them what the problem is. :|
[07:16] <zombiedog> I'm not a l-guru, but that much is common sense
[07:16] <ubuntu> ./dev/hda3 file or folder doesn't exist
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> bill, reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, the mountpoint you picked
[07:16] <Taladan> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <ubuntu> ./dev/hda3/temp
[07:17] <bill> are you kidding me?
[07:17] <bill> grrr
[07:17] <bill> will I lose anything like configurations and settings and stuff then from this?
[07:17] <Taladan> no...if I was kidding you, I'd say apt-get install fluxbox
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> lol
[07:17] <zombiedog> Bill: I don't think so
[07:18] <Taladan> bill - do an ls -a on your home directory, look for a .kde (it should still be there unless bwanna do bad juju)
[07:18] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, hda isn't a folder, its a device
[07:19] <ubuntu> ./dev/hda3/temp/ folder no?
[07:19] <bill> ok, found a .kde
[07:19] <bill> whats it mean?
[07:19] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: well...technically...hda /is/ a file.  But 'folders' don't exist.  Directories (which are also files)
[07:19] <Taladan> but yeah
[07:19] <bill> those are my settings?
[07:19] <Taladan> bill those are some of them yes.  If that's there then chances are most of your other settings are around somewhere in a .<something> file
[07:19] <bill> it won't work with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:19] <Taladan> sudo it
[07:19] <Taladan> sorry
[07:19] <hitmanWilly> Taladan, trying to keep it simple for the new guy
[07:20] <bill> it tell me "Broken packages"
[07:20] <bill> :P. already added it
[07:20] <Taladan> hitmanWilly: yeah...I grok, but we should disabuse people of the whole 'folder' concept
[07:20] <hitmanWilly> true that
[07:20] <Taladan> broken packages?  What's broken?
[07:20] <Taladan> do this
[07:20] <Taladan> sudo apt-cache unmet|grep require
[07:20] <jza873> nope i typed kdm and then startx and boom back in gnome
[07:21] <zombiedog> Back to windows and then sleep
[07:21] <zombiedog> Gonna take a shot at Wine tomorrow
[07:21] <Taladan> night zombiedog....heading that way myself in a bit
[07:21] <hitmanWilly> ok, ubuntu, pick another directory to mount it in, like /harddrive or something
[07:22] <zombiedog> See all y'all. :P
[07:22] <bill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15318/
[07:22] <Taladan> um....wtf
[07:23] <Taladan> kubuntu-desktop shouldn't dep on digikam
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> bill, you could always -force it
[07:23] <Taladan> but...for the hell of it, try sudo apt-get install digikam kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <Taladan> that's just....weird.
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> bill, if you're feeling lucky :)
[07:24] <ubuntu> ok
[07:24] <Taladan> eh...I stay away from -force if at all possible (and it usually is)
[07:24] <Taladan> btw bill, which distro are you using?
[07:24] <bill> 6.10 kde
[07:24] <bill> dvd
[07:24] <Taladan> no...sorry, I mean version of (k)ubuntu
[07:25] <Taladan> dapper? edgy? feisty?
[07:25] <bill> ok, now digikam relies on something else
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> 6.10 is edgy
[07:25] <Taladan> ah
[07:25] <bill> 3.5.5
[07:25] <ubuntu> then how do I see the mount?
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> 6.06 = dapper, 7.04 = feisty
[07:25] <ubuntu> I'm sucha linux tool
[07:25] <Taladan> bill?  I know you're scared of this command, but try sudo apt-get install -f again
[07:26] <Taladan> see if it'll auto-resolve that dep issue.
[07:26] <niles> even after the dvd is ejected,  xine fails to quit when i click x.
[07:26] <niles> sigh
[07:26] <Taladan> (which is what it's /supposed/ to do)
[07:26] <Taladan> not eat your kde install.
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, browse over to where you mounted it
[07:26] <niles> kubuntu is stupid.   hence kill <PID of xine>  fails to kill xine
[07:26] <fiction> How do i make it so X server doesn't start at login? i need to login from a cli
[07:26] <niles> sigh
[07:26] <bill> ok, heres the damage
[07:26] <bill> I have 13 packages installed
[07:27] <bill> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded."
[07:27] <bill> after that command
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> fiction: try removing kdm/gdm
[07:27] <Taladan> you have 13 that need to upgrade
[07:27] <fiction> how? (gdm btw)
[07:27] <Taladan> so...let's try apt-get install upgrade
[07:27] <ubuntu> if I type /dev/hda3/desktop, which is where I mounted it, nothing
[07:27] <Taladan> then er
[07:27] <Taladan> sudo it
[07:27] <hitmanWilly> fiction: sudo apt-get remove gdm
[07:27] <Taladan> then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:28] <niles> now i know what my professor means when he says.  F doesent stand for failure, F stands for FIRED!!
[07:28] <fiction> hitmanWilly: Not sure i need to go that far. I need to login from CLI so i can install my nvidia driver. X can't be running
[07:28] <Taladan> ubuntu - don't mount anything in /dev/*
[07:28] <bill> :(
[07:28] <bill> E: Couldn't find package upgrade
[07:28] <Taladan> mount it in /mnt or in /media or in /mount
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> fiction: ok, sudo telinit 1 will drop into pure terminal
[07:28] <Taladan> heh
[07:28] <Taladan> my bad bill
[07:28] <ubuntu> so the string would be what?
[07:29] <fiction> ok let me try
[07:29] <Taladan> apt-get install update
[07:29] <Taladan> or just apt-get update
[07:29] <Taladan> it's late, I'm tired and I don't remember right off :P
[07:29] <unix_infidel> does anyone anticipate major changes between the beta and the final release?
[07:29] <bill> oh
[07:30] <bill> you said upgrade
[07:30] <bill> lol
[07:30] <hitmanWilly> fiction: ubuntu uses weird runlevels
[07:30] <unix_infidel> i'm looking to install the beta and then just apt-get dist-upgrade.
[07:30] <bill> well, my internet isn't the best
[07:30] <bill> so this will take a while
[07:30] <Taladan> Yes it likely will
[07:30] <ubuntu> so I typed sudo mount -t ext3 /mnt/hda3/desktop
[07:30] <ubuntu> now what
[07:30] <fiction> hitmanWilly: Yea
[07:30] <Taladan> ubuntu - did it spit back an error?
[07:30] <ubuntu> no
[07:30] <fiction> I don't even have a inittab in my etc folder
[07:30] <ubuntu> terminal window finished
[07:30] <Taladan> it should have
[07:31] <bill> it's done already?
[07:31] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> fiction: ubuntu doesn't use an inittab, like any decent distro
[07:31] <Taladan> because you should've done something like sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt
[07:31] <bill> it says it accessed the DVD (I have it in the drive)
[07:31] <niles> http://rafb.net/p/2Xyki816.html  so what do i do with a PID that woefully fails to end
[07:31] <bill> did it get some files from there or something?
[07:31] <niles> i clicked X over 300 times
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> fiction, it should though
[07:31] <fiction> hah
[07:31] <niles> again, http://rafb.net/p/2Xyki816.html
[07:31] <fiction> hitmanWilly: yes it should
[07:31] <Taladan> bill - I doubt it, unless you somehow deleted your repos
[07:31] <kalorin> bill, give it a kill, bill. get it kill bill!
[07:31] <kalorin> I slay me
[07:32] <kalorin> find the PID and kill -9 it
[07:32] <Taladan> but it's going to look for the cd until you disable the cd repo
[07:32] <conorkirk1> osx used to spell check commands
[07:32] <hitmanWilly> fiction, its cause of the bootloader it uses
[07:32] <conorkirk1> so you could say kill bill
[07:32] <fiction> alright. let me try  telinit. one sec
[07:32] <conorkirk1> and you could say bill gates
[07:32] <conorkirk1> and it would say: "Ok? kill gates?"
[07:32] <fiction> hitmanWilly: i need a paremeter to go with telinit
[07:33] <hitmanWilly> fiction telinit 1
[07:33] <bill> so what do I do?
[07:34] <Taladan> bill - is it done?
[07:34] <ubuntu> any other ideas? I just need to revert back to xorg.conf before I updated to the new nvidia drivers
[07:35] <ubuntu> x don't load now
[07:35] <bill> yeah, its been done
[07:36] <ubuntu> can I replace the installed xorg.conf with the one on the live cd?
[07:36] <Taladan> bill - sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, you could...
[07:36] <ubuntu> well now, that may just work
[07:36] <bill> still wont work
[07:36] <Minataku> ubuntu: You can fall back to xvesa if you have it
[07:37] <ubuntu> don't have
[07:37] <Minataku> Get it somehow, if possible
[07:37] <Minataku> That'll give you at least a usable stopgap
[07:37] <Taladan> bill - then you need someone more awake and better than I am atm
[07:37] <Taladan> you could always follow the dep chain
[07:37] <bill> lol
[07:38] <Taladan> if it asks for digikam, install it, if that asks for something else, try to install it....eventually /something/ will have to give.
[07:38] <ubuntu> so how do I replace the xorg.conf with the livecd one?
[07:38] <Taladan> that's the long answer
[07:38] <Taladan> the short answer is back your stuff up across the network and just nuke it and reinstall.
[07:38] <newkid> any idea when 7.04 is out? I hope this isn't an over asked question
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, did you ever get your hdd mounted
[07:38] <ubuntu> nope
[07:38] <hitmanWilly> newkid: 19th
[07:38] <Taladan> but if you've got a lot of info, it would be worth the time spent to figure out where it went wrong
[07:39] <Taladan> er, info=stuff to back up
[07:39] <Taladan> and with that, i've gotta get my kid back to sleep and drag myself off to sleep.  Hope you get it working bill
[07:39] <hitmanWilly> ok, ubuntu, type this in a terminal: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/hdd
[07:39] <ubuntu> should've wrote down the command to revert back to the old xorg.conf in case this happened.  I thought if I made a text file on my desktop with a paste of the instructions, I could get to it
[07:39] <unix_infidel> !dev
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <ubuntu> ok
[07:40] <solid_liq> how do I upgrade from 6.10 to feisty?
[07:40] <unix_infidel> what's the ubuntu development chan?
[07:40] <solid_liq> what source do I need?
[07:40] <ubuntu> mount point dont exist
[07:40] <solid_liq> before the apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> unix_infidel, #ubuntu-dev
[07:40] <bill> lol
[07:40] <bill> thanks man
[07:40] <newkid> thanbks bye
[07:41] <ubuntu> hitmanwilly: mount point doesn't exist
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu, ls /mnt/
[07:41] <niles> i have a pentium 3. is it possible a wmv file could be of such great quality that  it lags?
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: does it show anything?
[07:42] <ubuntu> ls /mnt in a term window?
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: yes, just keep a terminal open for all of this
[07:42] <solid_liq> niles: sure, is it high def or something?
[07:42] <Tm_T> niles: sure it's possible, but there could be something slowing things down
[07:42] <Tm_T> niles: what player you use?
[07:42] <niles> solid_liq:  hes
[07:42] <niles> Tm_T:  i have xine, vlc, ogle
[07:43] <Tm_T> niles: hmm, I wonder, whar output driver you use, xv?
[07:43] <solid_liq> niles: high def would do it, that's a LOT of pixels to crunch through
[07:43] <Tm_T> solid_liq: true there
[07:43] <niles> if i have an option of medium quality.  perhalps i should download that.
[07:43] <fiction> Anyone know how to disable GDM at start up?
[07:43] <fiction> so the login screen is a comand line?
[07:44] <niles> fiction: edit the scirpt at /etc/rc2.d
[07:44] <ubuntu> hitman: ls /mnt didn't do anything
[07:44] <niles> from S to K
[07:44] <fiction> niles: thanks
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: ok, mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt
[07:44] <niles> fiction: if the name is Sfoo then mv Sfoo kfoo
[07:45] <fiction> niles: there are tons of script in there though
[07:45] <niles> KGDM ?
[07:45] <niles> why do you want to halt it at start up?
[07:45] <ubuntu> lots of text, back to command prompt
[07:45] <fiction> niles: so i can install the nvidia driver
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: ok ls /mnt
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> fiction: just apt-get nvidia-glx
[07:46] <niles> fiction i dont recall haveing to do taht
[07:46] <ubuntu> no such file or directory
[07:46] <niles> yea
[07:46] <niles> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:46] <niles> then nvidia-xconfig
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu cd /mnt
[07:46] <niles> then you're good :)
[07:47] <fiction> hitmanWilly, niles: i have a 8800gtx. fairly new drivers. To give you an idea, if i do ctrl+alt+bckspce, the screen goes all black. same thing with telinit 1
[07:47] <ubuntu> ok, cd worked
[07:47] <hitmanWilly> fiction, the glx drivers are pretty new
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: ls
[07:48] <ubuntu> nothing
[07:48] <ubuntu> there spaces in the mount stripg you gave me?
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> hmm, that's weird, ok lets try this, make sure you write this down
[07:48] <ubuntu> maybe that's the prob.
[07:48] <fiction> ok i did sudo apt get
[07:49] <fiction> let's see
[07:49] <ubuntu> ok
[07:49] <fiction> they should update their website though. don't see 8800gtx supported on the list
[07:49] <fiction> hitmanWilly: it's done setting up. now what?
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu restart your computer w/out the live cd, it should dump you into the command prompt, if not, ctrl-alt-f1
[07:50] <fiction> !nvidia
[07:50] <fiction> no more bot?
[07:50] <fiction> !ati
[07:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> slow bot:)
[07:50] <ubuntu> hitmanwilly: ok, then what at the command prompt?
[07:50] <dawn_> ok here is a weird one
[07:51] <dawn_> I install edgy, then when i go and do a update
[07:51] <dawn_> it wrecks the install
[07:51] <fiction> hitmanWilly: nevermind. i remember i tried this earlier with KDE and X didnt even start
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu login, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:51] <ubuntu> ok
[07:52] <niles> yea and make sure you change the driver from vesa to nvidia
[07:52] <snarfer> Bah, the livecd keeps spinning down
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu then startx to check it
[07:53] <ubuntu> that's it?  ok will do
[07:53] <ubuntu> ty
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu np
[07:53] <ubuntu> back later
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> fiction, did runlevel 1 not work?
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> fiction, try going into command prompt login at the login screen
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> its under one of the menu items
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> x shuts down, so the installer should work
[07:58] <josh__> hey, I'm running a 64bit hp laptop on feisty beta. I was wondering if there was a viable the solution for using the lightscribe. I've been looking around and found some software by laCie, but it's an RPM package and it doesn't like the 64 bit environment. Thanks for your help in advance.
[08:04] <fiction> =] 
[08:04] <chocobo> Hey i need help with installing FREENX
[08:05] <mikey> hitmanwilly: you're my hero
[08:05] <chocobo> I did the steps for configuring the right package then i tried instaling with ----- sudo aptitude install freenx ----- and it can't find the freenx package
[08:09] <pollyo> Hello
[08:09] <pollyo> Anyone know what a low latency kernel would be?
[08:11] <MattPS3> I just installed kubuntu on my ps3, anyone experienced this before?
[08:12] <mikey> no matt
[08:35] <pollyo> Anyone here have a legacy nvidia and beryl working together?
[08:35] <bulwynkl> just installed 7.04 beta on my (new) old laptop - trying to set up network.
[08:36] <bulwynkl> ethernet clearly connected but cannot see anything with konqueror
[08:36] <bulwynkl> any suggestions (should be direct internet connection)
[08:36] <bulwynkl> !wpa
[08:36] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:38] <bulwynkl> e.g.  clicking on the link help.ubuntu.com/community/Wifidocs gives me an error "could not connect to host
[08:41] <solifugus> I just installed kubuntu and love it.. except the package list is small... a lot of things i want are not there.. like lyx and glest
[08:42] <solifugus> Are there alternate repositories that have more packages to install?
[08:44] <bulwynkl> *meeh*
[08:48] <neptunepink> they should sell ubuntu frisbees. :b
[08:50] <josh__> has anyone ever got lightscribe to work in kubuntu? (feisty) on a 64bit machine?
[08:52] <Davor> jeje
[08:52] <Davor> the battery applet doesn't work...
[08:57] <mikey> any way to auto-shut off *nix?
[08:58] <Tm_T> define "auto" here
[08:58] <mikey> say, shut down the system in 30 min's.
[08:58] <Tm_T> yes, that's doable
[08:58] <Tm_T> mikey: shutdown --help
[08:59] <mikey> shutdown | help
[08:59] <mikey> hmm
[09:00] <unix_infidel> uhh, piping shutdown to help?
[09:00] <unix_infidel> try man shutdown.
[09:00] <Tm_T> uff, man bashing
[09:01] <mikey> ?
[09:01] <Tm_T> mikey: open Konsole and type shutdown --help
[09:01] <unix_infidel> mikey: you want it to shutdown after 30 mins?
[09:01] <mikey> yea
[09:01] <Tm_T> mikey: or man shutdown for more info
[09:01] <unix_infidel> shutdown -t 1800
[09:01] <mikey> that was easy
[09:01] <mikey> ty
[09:02] <mikey> lovin *nix, only ben at it a couple days
[09:02] <Tm_T> mikey: well, you might want to give some extra option
[09:02] <unix_infidel> well yea, i thought that was obvious.
[09:02] <mikey> like?
[09:02] <Tm_T> mikey: really read what shutdown --help tells
[09:03] <Tm_T> it gives good explanation how it works I think
[09:03] <unix_infidel> lol.
[09:03] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: lol?
[09:04] <premier_> is it possible to speed up boot times by removing some of the autodetection scripts?  I'm in a laptop, so the configuration doesn't change much?
[09:04] <Tm_T> premier_: nope unless you really know what you're doing
[09:04] <premier_> lol
[09:04] <Tm_T> and IIRC there's not much autodetection anyway
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> isn't that seconds?
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure...too tired to talk
[09:05] <posingaspopular> Admiral_Chicago: go to sleep kid
[09:05] <premier_> somebody on #debian mentioned it
[09:05] <unix_infidel> Admiral_Chicago: yea, shutdown takes the argument in seconds.
[09:05] <Tm_T> Admiral_Chicago: yup, all autodetection parts takes 10 seconds tops
[09:05] <unix_infidel> premier_: its possible.
[09:05] <unix_infidel> i know people who get their linux boxes up in 15 seconds.
[09:05] <unix_infidel> they think acpi is too slow :P
[09:06] <premier_> unix_infidel: lol... kinda need it on a laptop
[09:06] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: hmm, and LinuxBIOS speed up things more
[09:06] <unix_infidel> premier_: this IS a laptop
[09:06] <unix_infidel> thinkpad t60 irrc
[09:06] <premier_> btw, I'm having some trouble with hibernation
[09:07] <unix_infidel> aawesome name.
[09:07] <premier_> when I hibernate, if it doesn't go perfectly, I can screw up my fs or I have to rewrite my swap partition, then I have to manually edit my fstab file to get it working again... is there anyway to fix that?
[09:08] <Delillah> :)
[09:10] <sebastian_> #dooc
[09:14] <asdx> hi
[09:15] <asdx> will feisty+1 (kubuntu) have kde4?
[09:15] <asdx> kubuntu 7.10
[09:17] <Tm_T> asdx: well, some way yes, but I'm pretty sure not as default
[09:17] <asdx> ok thx
[09:25] <tommymann> does anyone here have any experience with Apollon or giFT
[09:26] <tommymann> anyone wih experience with Apollon or Ares
[09:26] <tommymann> or giFT
[09:28] <premier_> hello, I went into kcontrol and said that my bootloader was grub.  This added some cool features, but it reset my carefully crafted grub options.  How do I fix that?
[09:29] <premier_> Also, I was told to add a boot option, but I don't remember what it is.  It was used to prevent some problems that caused it to lock up on boot
[09:30] <premier_> I thought it was notsc, but that wasn't it
[09:33] <pollyo> Anyone here know where I could find information on getting beryl to work with a TNT2 video card?
[09:33] <pollyo> nvidida (TNT2)
[09:34] <Layer8> morgen
[09:34] <Tm_T> pollyo: I assume no, but no real data here
[09:34] <Layer8> good mornin
[09:35] <Tm_T> moin
[09:35] <Layer8> anyone familiar with pam here?
[09:35] <pollyo> Ok.brb
[09:36] <Tm_T> Layer8: depends what pam means here
[09:37] <nodesert> did you checked this? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
[09:37] <nodesert> or http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/how-to-install-beryl-with-latest-nvidia.html
[09:37] <nonuda> guys, i'm trying to automatically mount a network shared folder, but it seems that it didn't work, i always have to start it manually by typing the "sudo mount /home/nonuda/server/progdbas"
[09:37] <nonuda> !pastebin
[09:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:38] <pollyo> nodesert: I have legacy nvidia.  I'll check them out.  I am not sure if it is a library issue though.  I get: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:38] <Layer8> i'd like to get some infos on pluggable auth modules...
[09:40] <nonuda> here is my fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15338/
[09:41] <Layer8> is someone familiar with pluggable auth modules in here?
[09:56] <[pyro] > no herd 6 relase? :(
[10:01] <Tm_T> are we rooted now?
[10:01] <LeFermion> Hi
[10:02] <Tm_T> LeFermion: are you ircing as root?
[10:02] <LeFermion> ok
[10:02] <ubuntu> hello
[10:02] <LeFermion> why?
[10:03] <Travis> is this a good os
[10:03] <Travis> :D
[10:03] <[pyro] > if i upgrade my edgy to feisty beta, will that decrease the amount of downloading / upgrading when the final release comes out on the 19th?
[10:03] <Tm_T> LeFermion: hmm, just asking, because it's not recommended
[10:03] <Tm_T> LeFermion: mostly considered dangerous even
[10:03] <stuart_> can someone help with changing DNS settings in networking?
[10:05] <Tm_T> stuart_: hmm, does help.ubuntu.com contain any help?
[10:05] <Tm_T> !dns
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <Tm_T> weird
[10:05] <premier_> Hey, I made my os aware through kcontrol that my bootloader is grub and it overwrote my boot options... can I prevent it from doing that?
[10:05] <Tm_T> premier_: not that I know
[10:06] <premier_> why does it do that?  Can I get it to do what I need it to in order for it to boot correctly
[10:06] <stuart_> the problem is that in Ubuntu and Debian the Gnome Network thingy allows you to click properties and type in a dns... but then half an hour later the settings revert to the old dns
[10:08] <solifugus> Question: How do you get applications you want for kubuntu?  The list of apps I see available is very small...
[10:08] <solifugus> compared with other distros
[10:08] <premier_> solifugus: what program are you using?
[10:08] <premier_> aptitude?
[10:08] <solifugus> adept.. i think.. whatever the default is
[10:09] <solifugus> yes it seems to be called, adapt
[10:09] <utnubuk> ok this is an off topic question: is there a way to get a timestamp or something to see when the last time a web page was updated??
[10:10] <premier_> solifugus: not sure if it get the same lists as apt-get, but I don't see why it shouldn't
[10:10] <anti_pop> whats the standart image editor for kde ?
[10:10] <premier_> go to the command line and type "apt-cache search " and then whatever your looking for
[10:10] <solifugus> premier_: i will try that..
[10:10] <[pyro] > anyone here running feisty beta?
[10:10] <premier_> then type what you want into "sudo apt-get install [whatever] "
[10:11] <utnubuk> [pyro] : yes
[10:11] <[pyro] > utnubuk: do you know if it will be a smaller upgrade to the final realease from feisty beta than from edgy?
[10:12] <lenscape> where do I put an IP route so it gets remembered after reboots?
[10:12] <premier_> [pyro] : why does it matter?  Its not that much longer, is it?
[10:12] <utnubuk> [pyro] : if i understand your question correctly i think you hit the nail on the head
[10:12] <solifugus> premier_: doesn't seem to show Lyx or Glest..
[10:13] <premier_> lyx?
[10:13] <premier_> "apt-cache search lyx"
[10:13] <premier_> I see it
[10:13] <[pyro] > premier_: no its not, 19th i think it comes out. See i have a machine ive setup for my dad, he lives rather remotely and is on satelite. im taking the machine out to him next wednesday and im trying to get all the upgrading i can do done before then as it takes ages on his satelite.
[10:13] <premier_> oh I see
[10:14] <[pyro] > if less downloading / upgrading for fiesty beta > fiesty final then ill upgrade to fiesty beta. Otherwise if its much the same ill leave him with edgy.
[10:14] <solifugus> premier_: it just lists some latex fonts and SGML converters.. but not the program "lyx" itself..
[10:14] <premier_> solifugus: you should be able to "sudo apt-get install lyx"
[10:14] <premier_> lyx - High Level Word Processor
[10:14] <c1|freaky> feisty has lyx:
[10:14] <c1|freaky> yea
[10:14] <utnubuk> [pyro] : have you considered snail mailing an iso?
[10:14] <solifugus> I just downloaded and installed kubuntu (latest) a few hours ago
[10:15] <[pyro] > utnubuk: yeah, it would be easier for me to just trundle out there with the cd and upgrade myself.
[10:18] <lenscape> every day, I get the little triangle that says I have updates. Every day I run it. Every day it says there are no updates to apply.
[10:18] <lenscape> it's jerking me around!
[10:19] <premier_> [pyro] : how easy is it for your dad to use it?  I'm curious how easy kubuntu is compared for non-computer people, compared to windows or MacOX?
[10:20] <lenscape> premier_: my 75 yo mum is switching to SuSE. My 65 yo mother in law is using SuSE already
[10:21] <premier_> I'd never get my mom to use linux.  She's a computer programmer, but she doesn't know how to maintain a windows system.  I finally got her to use firefox instead of IE6 last month
[10:22] <premier_> she's very inertial. She doesn't want to learn how to use linux. I'd never convince her that its easy
[10:43] <icecruncher> are there any better package managers than adept?
[10:45] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: you mean gui's?
[10:45] <icecruncher> yes
[10:45] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: dpkg == the package manager adept is just a front end
[10:45] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: synaptic
[10:45] <gnomefreak> smart
[10:46] <icecruncher> gnomefreak: adept manager is terrible
[10:46] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: i know
[10:46] <gnomefreak> it has been for a while thats why i stick to the 2 i named above
[10:46] <icecruncher> gnomefreak: smart works?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: yep :)
[10:47] <icecruncher> !smart > icecruncher
[10:48] <icecruncher> gnomefreak: which one do you prefer, and why?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: i dont really perfer either over the other but keep inmind smart handles depends better than apt. both use dpkg
[10:49] <icecruncher> k, thanks a lot
[10:50] <gnomefreak> icecruncher: smart gui has some things that need to be added but its small and should be that way. i dont use gui front ends to dpkg i use CLI
[10:51] <utnubuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpmuGHq8aeQ
[10:51] <utnubuk> sry wrong box
[11:01] <mardi> hi, anyone here us apt-cacher?
[11:02] <mardi> *use apt-cacher?
[11:05] <Black_Monkey> hi, I have a problem exactly like this, would anyone be able to help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2419438#8
[11:06] <Black_Monkey> it only started after I installed the nvidia driver
[11:09] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: what graphics drivers do you have installed?
[11:09] <Black_Monkey> I just installed the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel packages
[11:10] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: they worked? other than the resolution problem?
[11:10] <Black_Monkey> yeah
[11:10] <N0Lif3> How do I configure it so that it'll automatically open a torrent and start downloading if I were to dump a torrent file in a specified "auto-starting torrent" folder
[11:10] <Black_Monkey> my computer's faster now, showed the splash screen on boot...
[11:11] <N0Lif3> for rtorrent
[11:11] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: you didn't have this problem before you installed the drivers?
[11:11] <N0Lif3> rtorrent
[11:11] <Black_Monkey> no
[11:11] <Black_Monkey> I also tried adding the higher resolution in that Section "Screen" bit of xorg.conf, but it didn't change it
[11:11] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: backup your xorg.conf file
[11:12] <Black_Monkey> ok
[11:12] <Black_Monkey> brb, door
[11:12] <sonoftheclayr> N0Lif3: automatically i'm not too sure but it might be possible to run a script in cron that will do it maybe every hour or something
[11:13] <root> Hi
[11:13] <cj_>    
[11:13] <Black_Monkey> blegh, stupid jehova's witnesses
[11:13] <Black_Monkey> ok, sorry, what do I change in xorg.conf?
[11:14] <N0Lif3> sonoftheclayr: I figured rtorrent had this ability. Lots of people on the net rave about how great it is and such and it can't do even that? I mean, Azureus does it, I think utorrent, and a couple of other gui- bittorrent clients as well.
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: did you back it up?
[11:14] <Black_Monkey> yeah
[11:14] <cj_>    
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> N0Lif3: well i don't use rtorrent so i think the best thing to do is look it up in google
[11:14] <N0Lif3> sonoftheclayr: well do
[11:14] <N0Lif3> will do
[11:15] <mackyman> morning!
[11:15] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, follow the instructions and you should be able to fix it from there, if it doesn't work just backup your xorg.conf file
[11:16] <Black_Monkey> ok
[11:16] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: you will have to restart X for the changes to take effect
[11:16] <sonoftheclayr> mackyman: evening!
[11:16] <Black_Monkey> ok
[11:17] <tdn> How do I make something (ssh-agent) start every time I log in to KDE?
[11:18] <Black_Monkey> how can I find out my monitor's horizontal sync range? :-S
[11:18] <icecruncher> where do you put your new repo file after you created it with source-o-matic?
[11:19] <icecruncher> ignore the above question
[11:19] <sonoftheclayr> icecruncher: /etc/apt/sources.list but make sure you backup the one already there!
[11:19] <adi_> hiii
[11:19] <icecruncher> k
[11:19] <adi_> could some one help me??
[11:20] <sonoftheclayr> adi_: ask and find out
[11:20] <adi_> how i gonna install new plugin to play .avi?
[11:20] <adi_> .mp3
[11:20] <adi_> or else??
[11:20] <N0Lif3> sonoftheclayr: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-284938.html It seems the capability I wanted out of rtorrent really exists!
[11:20] <adi_> i'm new bie...hehehehe
[11:20] <sonoftheclayr> !mp3 | adi_
[11:20] <ubotu> adi_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:21] <N0Lif3> adi_: use "easyubuntu". That's what I used to get a bunch of my videos working.
[11:22] <sonoftheclayr> N0Lif3: yeah, but easyubuntu is reported to cause problems during dist-upgrades
[11:22] <adi_> nolift ....
[11:22] <N0Lif3> nolift, lol
[11:22] <adi_> could u assist me step by step
[11:22] <N0Lif3> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[11:22] <N0Lif3> adi_:
[11:23] <adi_> nolift..tq
[11:23] <adi_> but it's new installation
[11:24] <adi_> it's any way that i can just add new plugin..or install another player??
[11:26] <LeFermion> Hellow
[11:26] <_4strO> !codecs
[11:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:27] <_4strO> !codecs | adi_
[11:27] <ubotu> adi_: please see above
[11:28] <smile> hi linuxians ... gow can I see the files in a ISO CD image ?
[11:29] <_3oo3> 1)  stop using the word 'linuxians' 2)  winRAR or unRaR or an iso mounter.
[11:30] <Black_Monkey> is there anyway of telling the horizontal sync range from this? http://www.yuraku.com.sg/view_product.php?PID=4
[11:30] <smile> _3oo3: what's wrong with linuxians word ?
[11:30] <dromer> what is commandline-way of resizing pictures?
[11:31] <Tm_T> dromer: imagemagick has thing called convert I think, not sure if that's right tool though
[11:31] <dromer> hmm
[11:31] <Tm_T> can't remember what did I use for resizing
[11:32] <dromer> I'll look into it, thnx :)
[11:32] <Tm_T> dromer: convert -scale 16 $file tn_$file
[11:32] <Tm_T> dromer: to get 16x thumbnails ;)
[11:32] <dromer> ok, tn_ = thumbnail?
[11:33] <dromer> and how could I size a file up? leave the tn_ ?
[11:33] <Tm_T> dromer: yes tn_picture.png for example
[11:33] <Tm_T> dromer: so, leave it
[11:34] <Tm_T> dromer: I mean drop it =)
[11:34] <dromer> yeah that's what I meant :)
[11:34] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:34] <Tm_T> throw it awaaaaaaayyyyyyy
[11:35] <dromer> ok, but I want to scale a pic by just a tiny fraction, like, 70% should I then do 1.4x ?
[11:36] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[11:37] <Werzi2001> habe ein Problem mit meinem DSL (hat jetzt nichts mit ubuntu zutun)...
[11:37] <smile> linuxians .. how can I view the files in a ISO CD image ????
[11:37] <smile> Werzi2001: hi
[11:37] <Werzi2001> DSL synchronisation funktioniert
[11:37] <Werzi2001> aber dann kommt PPPoE-Fehler Zeitberschreitung
[11:37] <smile> !DSL
[11:37] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[11:38] <dromer> Tm_T: didn't work :/
[11:38] <Werzi2001> hat nichts mit ubuntu zutun :(
[11:38] <crazy_penguin> Hello all!
[11:39] <Tm_T> dromer: well the number there is pixels
[11:39] <Werzi2001> liegt irgendwie am dsl.. .jemand ne ahnung?
[11:39] <Black_Monkey> sonoftheclayr: I ran that, and restarted X, but nothing changed :/
[11:39] <dromer> Tm_T: aah, I thought fraction, yeah I just noticed ;)
[11:40] <dromer> Tm_T: and is it the width or the height ?
[11:40] <dromer> ah, width
[11:40] <Tm_T> dromer: hmm, read manual, can't remember :(
[11:41] <dromer> no I found out Tm_T ;)
[11:41] <Tm_T> good
[11:41] <pollyo> Anyone here running beryl with legacy nvidia?
[11:41] <sonoftheclayr> pollyo: i wish
[11:42] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: when i came to changing resolutions did you select the one(s) you wanted?
[11:42] <Black_Monkey> sonoftheclayr: yeah, I ticked the box saying 1280x1024
[11:43] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: you restarted X?
[11:43] <Black_Monkey> yep
[11:43] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: can you please pastebin your xorg.conf?
[11:44] <Black_Monkey> ok
[11:44] <Black_Monkey> http://pastebin.ca/437884
[11:44] <Werzi2001> woran knnte ein "PPPoE Fehler: Zeitberschreitung" liegen knnte?
[11:45] <Black_Monkey> !de
[11:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:46] <adi_> helooo... saper kat sini dari malaysia???
[11:47] <adi_> ada tak??
[11:47] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: looks sound, short of trying to see if you can change the resolution in the kde settings i'm not sure where to go next
[11:48] <Black_Monkey> sonoftheclayr: nope, the slider only goes as far as 1024x768
[11:49] <Black_Monkey> if it makes any difference, I have an integrated NVIDIA GeForce 6150 card
[11:49] <mackyman> Black_Monkey: I solved that, by setting Mode "<highest supported resulotion>" and then X detected my suppored resulotions in between
[11:49] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: install nvidia-settings and see if you can cahnge the resolution using that, i think it might be tha nvidia driver because you say you didn't have this problem before you installed it
[11:49] <mackyman> I dunno how well it works thou
[11:50] <Black_Monkey> mackyman: tried that, didn't work
[11:50] <mackyman> awww... Damn!
[11:50] <tim> hi does anybody use the planner from the repos to plan projects?
[11:50] <Black_Monkey> sonoftheclayr: I did that, didn't work, and uninstalled nvidia-glx
[11:51] <Black_Monkey> oh, I just went into the hardware tab of monitor and display, and changed the screen type from generic to 1280x1024
[11:51] <Black_Monkey> I'll just restart x, hopefully brb...
[11:52] <Black_Monkey> worked :-D
[11:52] <mackyman> YAY!
[11:53] <mackyman> Congrats!
[11:53] <sonoftheclayr> Good work!
[11:53] <Black_Monkey> thanks for your guys help :-)
[11:53] <sonoftheclayr> Black_Monkey: np, it's why we hang out here :D
[11:58] <rama> Greetings
[11:59] <rama> I am having a little bit of a problme with a USB card readed, is anyone knowledgeable with these matters ?
[12:04] <administrator> hi
[12:19] <pollyo> Anyone running beryl on legacy nvidia?
[12:35] <adi_> poyo
[12:35] <adi_> saper dari malaysia?? ke aku sorg jer duk melalak kat sini...hahahaha
[12:35] <adi_> saper dari malaysia?? ke aku sorg jer duk melalak kat sini...hahahaha
[12:35] <adi_> saper dari malaysia?? ke aku sorg jer duk melalak kat sini...hahahaha
[01:07] <richardh_> Hello everyone...
[01:09] <richardh_> I've had a problem with my swap partition...it's now recognized again, but it seems it doesn't work too well anymore...
[01:09] <richardh_> anyone familiar with that problem?
[01:12] <starter> hello friends
[01:12] <starter> how do I set this to be executed at boot:
[01:12] <starter> setxkbmap -layout 'us,mk' -option grp:switch -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option grp_led:scroll
[01:12] <milaks> Hi all. I'm using Edgy Eft, and GDM is set to auto login. When KDE is loaded, in upper part of walpaper and some areas wchich are transparent to some degree (like background of Konsole) color is somewhat... wrong, only when I relogin, things are fine. Does someone know what seems to be the probem?
[01:12] <starter> everytime I log in I have to type it in terminal
[01:14] <cactus> datten der will nich in den systemverwaltungsmodus gehen
[01:14] <cactus> wenn ich draufdrcke kommt die rote umrandnung und dabei bleibts
[01:15] <milaks> cactus: english please
[01:15] <sonoftheclayr> richardh_: doesn't seem to work too well anymore?
[01:15] <cactus> milaks: sry wrong channel
[01:16] <milaks> Anyone?
[01:18] <milaks> I'm using Edgy Eft, and GDM is set to auto login. When KDE is loaded, in upper part of walpaper and some areas wchich are transparent to some degree (like background of Konsole) color is somewhat... wrong, only when I relogin, things are fine. Does someone know what seems to be the probem?
[01:19] <bobdhicks> Newbie question: I need to modify a sample configuration file in Konsole. I've been following directions for installing hellanzb. How do I edit the config file?
[01:22] <T0uCH> Hi all.. I simply got a question.... I am running both Ubuntu and win xp right now... and I'll like to swith from ubuntu to Kubuntu... is it possible to swith and keep all my ubuntu settings??
[01:23] <milaks> T0uCH: `apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[01:25] <milaks> T0uCH: type `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop` or after authorization in Synaptic find "kubuntu-desktop" (or "kubuntu") an install it.
[01:26] <starter> anyone for the setxkbmap question?
[01:33] <Divi> hi all
[01:35] <pollyo> Anyone running beryl on legacy nvidia?  I can see the TNT2 card is listed as supported but can find no information on getting it to run.
[01:37] <Arami> Hmm...This may seem like a stupid question, but that's an ironic statement coming from me, a teacher...I'm attempting to install something, and typed ./configure and got the error "No acceptable C compiler found in $path"...So, Kubuntu doesn't come with one?
[01:38] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: have you installed the build-essential package?
[01:39] <Arami> I suppose not O_O
[01:39] <sonoftheclayr> install the build-essential package and you should have more luck
[01:39] <Arami> Mmk, thank you :)
[01:40] <sonoftheclayr> np
[01:40] <anti_pop> which package do i need in order to get video preview pictures in konqueror ?
[01:45] <Arami> Hmm...
[01:45] <Arami> Got an error message when I downloaded the build-essential package :(
[01:45] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: what message?
[01:45] <pollyo> Anyone able to tell me what a low latency kernel would be?
[01:46] <pollyo> How did my sytem go from generic to low latency kernel?
[01:46] <Arami> Hmm, it just went away >.< That's annoying, one sec.
[01:47] <Arami> sonoftheclayr - Well, I can't get it to show me the error again, it said something about it being a binary package and it would be corrupted if saved? Something to that effect. If you need to exact message I can keep looking.
[01:49] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: run sudo apt-get update and try again
[01:49] <Arami> Ah, here it is, "The File: (URL of the download site) is a binary and saving it will result in a corrupt file."
[01:49] <Arami> Ok
[01:51] <Arami> Hmm, ok, I did that...nothing happened in the Konsole box...other than it asking for my password, and then giving me back the command line.
[01:51] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: sudo apt-get update?
[01:51] <Arami> Yep
[01:52] <sonoftheclayr> that's weird, can you just run sudo apt-get and tell me what happens
[01:54] <Arami> Same, just gives me back the command line.
[01:54] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: fire up adept and see if you can get it from there
[01:55] <Arami> What the hell...
[01:56] <Arami> Asked me for a password, and is telling me it's wrong now O_O
[01:57] <jay__> hello
[01:57] <sonoftheclayr> Arami: you're sure the password was right?
[01:57] <jay__> how did i end up here?
[01:57] <sonoftheclayr> jay__: big night last night?
[01:58] <jay__> it wuz
[01:58] <Arami> Yes...Pretty sure, I've not been on the Linux boot in awhile, but I've just tried every password I've ever used.
[01:58] <jay__> but i didn't have anything big to play with
[01:59] <Arami> I can open it with Ark...if that helps :P lol
[01:59] <jay__> anyone know how i can over ride the root password on my machine?
[02:00] <_Neil> hey guys, if i swap in and out of a virtual terminal and back to x a few times, it hangs on a black screen with just a mouse... same as if I resume from suspend!
[02:00] <_Neil> any ideas?
[02:01] <Arami> :(
[02:03] <Arami> jay_
[02:04] <jay__> yes
[02:04] <Arami> I don't know of a way to override the root password, but I know how to recover it, if that's why you need to override it...
[02:04] <jay__> yes
[02:04] <jay__> that is why
[02:04] <Arami> Well
[02:05] <Arami> If you reboot, there's a recovery mode on the boot menu by default.
[02:05] <jay__> when does the menu appear?
[02:05] <Arami> Using # password in there will prompt you to type a new password, to replace the old one, without you having to use the older password if memory serves.
[02:06] <Arami> When you first boot the computer
[02:06] <jay__> k
[02:06] <Arami> I've got my box set to dual boot between Kubuntu and XP Pro, so it's always there for me.
[02:07] <jay__> im a newbie to linux
[02:07] <Arami> Anywho, # password should give you access to change it :) and I'll brb, I need to reboot my computer anywho ;)
[02:07] <jay__> thanks dude
[02:07] <Arami> No worries, me too, I'm just reading and learning as much as possible :)
[02:07] <jay__> where u from?
[02:07] <jay__> i'm in vancouver canada
[02:07] <Arami> North Carolina, USA :)
[02:07] <Arami> Now, I'll brb ;)
[02:14] <kraut> moin
[02:19] <Arami> Hey, Jay_, you still here?
[02:25] <Arami> Wow, this is driving me crazy...I just went to change my password because I kept getting an error with it, now I KNOW this is the right password, and yet it wont give me access to sudo.
[02:25] <Arami> Or Adept :P
[02:34] <pollyo> Anyone running nvidia legacy with beryl?
[02:35] <_4strO> Arami: ?
[02:36] <Arami> Yes?
[02:36] <_4strO> wich error ?
[02:37] <Arami> Well, I just changed my root password in the recovery mode, using passwd command, and I KNOW it's right, but every time I try and use sudo or open Adept, or even use the Root Shell in Konsole, it tells me it's wrong.
[02:38] <Ace2016> Arami: when you use sudo you put your password not roots
[02:38] <Ace2016> Arami: the password you use to login with
[02:38] <_4strO> have you try the first account' pass ?
[02:38] <Ace2016> if you use "su" in the command like then you type in the root password, for sudo its your password
[02:38] <Arami> Ok, one second...Lemme try that.
[02:39] <Arami> Well, It didn't give me the error, but it didn't give me what I was supposed to see either.
[02:39] <Arami> Just dropped back the command line, as if I'd typed nothing.
[02:39] <_4strO> lol
[02:40] <Ace2016> lol?
[02:40] <Arami> For Adept I'm supposed to use my user password, instead of roots?
[02:40] <Ace2016> yup
[02:40] <_4strO> arami try : sudo apt-get update
[02:40] <Arami> Tells me it's incorrect :P
[02:41] <_4strO> (with adept clothe)
[02:41] <_4strO> closed :p
[02:41] <Arami> _4str0, Same thing, drops back the command line.
[02:42] <_4strO> Arami: what isd your prompt ?
[02:42] <waylandbill> Arami: idle threads never work. you actually have to hit the monitor. ;-)
[02:42] <Arami> My prompt?
[02:42] <_4strO> arami@arami-station:~# ?
[02:42] <Arami> waylandbill, I would, but it was expensive :(
[02:43] <_4strO> arami@arami-station:~$ ?
[02:43] <_4strO> is there a # or a $ ?
[02:43] <Arami> Eh, no...I didn't name it, because my uncle installed it, says admin@admin-desktop:~$
[02:43] <Arami> I was just too lazy to install Kubuntu last time I reformatted, so he reinstalled it heh
[02:44] <Arami> I would have named it something less...obvious.
[02:44] <_4strO> :p
[02:44] <Arami> :P indeed.
[02:44] <_4strO> try sudo su
[02:45] <Arami> Same thing...Drops down to the next line.
[02:45] <_4strO> yes but is it asking you a password ?
[02:45] <Arami> Nope
[02:45] <Arami> I'll copy it.
[02:45] <Arami> admin@admin-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[02:45] <Arami> admin@admin-desktop:~$
[02:45] <Arami> admin@admin-desktop:~$ sudo su
[02:45] <Arami> admin@admin-desktop:~$
[02:45] <Ace2016> try su
[02:45] <Arami> That's what happens.
[02:45] <_4strO> mmm
[02:46] <_4strO> strange
[02:46] <Arami> Ok
[02:46] <Arami> su asks for a password.
[02:46] <Arami> Root/User?
[02:46] <Ace2016> yea roots password
[02:46] <Arami> Ok
[02:46] <Arami> That worked
[02:46] <_4strO> apt-get update
[02:46] <_4strO> apt-get upgrade
[02:46] <_4strO> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :p
[02:47] <Arami> I realized ;) XD
[02:47] <Arami> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove 0 not updated.
[02:47] <binks> if i want dir to only display results of a certan file type whats the cmd
[02:47] <busfahrer> Excuse me, the 'firefox scrollbar' fix (in the system settings, GTK section) doesn't work for me... any other suggestions?
[02:47] <binks> i treid dir | grep *par2
[02:48] <_4strO> binks: ls *.par2
[02:48] <_4strO> or ls | grep par2
[02:49] <HymnToLife> busfahrer, what's the problem with FF's scrollbars ?
[02:49] <binks> _4strO: cheers
[02:49] <Arami> So, what do I do if it refuses to update? Says there's nothing to update.
[02:49] <Arami> Prod it until it cries and gives up?
[02:49] <HymnToLife> _4strO, *.par2 != *par2
[02:49] <binks> Arami: have you added extra repositories
[02:50] <_4strO> HymnToLife: yep i know
[02:50] <Arami> Don't think so binks.
[02:50] <HymnToLife> Arami, could you pastebin your sources.list ?
[02:50] <binks> !repos
[02:50] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:50] <busfahrer> HymnToLife: The leftmost column of pixels (the black border) of the "scroll box" sticks to its place instead of moving with the rest of the box when you scroll
[02:50] <binks> Arami: | !repos
[02:50] <_4strO> HymnToLife: <binks> if i want dir to only display results of a certan file type whats the cmd
[02:51] <Arami> Binks, where in? I'm currently under root in Konsole.
[02:51] <_4strO> he dont want the par2zed.jpg file ;)
[02:51] <binks> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment repos
[02:52] <_4strO> binks: kdesu kate /etc/...
[02:52] <Ace2016> nope don't use sudo for that, use kate
[02:52] <HymnToLife> please use kdesu instead of sudo to run GUI apps !!
[02:52] <Ace2016> i  mean kdesu
[02:52] <HymnToLife> ow, Ace2016 beat me to it
[02:52] <T0uCH> hi all... i just wanna know if its normal that the installation of kubuntu stops at step 5 which is partionning...  i am running ubuntu and windows xp too...  i wanna change ubuntu for kubuntu... and i'm with the live cds (installation)...
[02:52] <binks> ok i learn whats the diff between them
[02:52] <Ace2016> HymnToLife: and _4strO meet me to it
[02:52] <_4strO> Armai --> kate /etc/... is enough, you're root
[02:52] <HymnToLife> T0uCH, why not install kubuntu from your ubuntu installation
[02:53] <Arami> Being able to add things is me problem, I can't even open adept because it says my password is wrong, when it's not...It's annoying as hell.
[02:53] <T0uCH> HymnToLife:  how?
[02:53] <binks> linux is case sensitive m8 Arami
[02:53] <HymnToLife> T0uCH, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <T0uCH> i already had install the kubuntu desk top but its not full version
[02:53] <Arami> I realize it's case sensitive, there's no case used in my password.
[02:53] <HymnToLife> T0uCH, define "full version"
[02:54] <HymnToLife> it'"s exactly the same thing you would get if you install a "fresh" kubuntu
[02:54] <binks> !kdesu
[02:54] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:54] <Ace2016> Arami: from the terminal try running "kdesu kate"
[02:55] <T0uCH> but what should i do right now.. stop the installation process close the live cds and start with ubuntu
[02:55] <Arami> Ace2016...Error is as follows?
[02:55] <Arami> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[02:55] <Arami> Xlib: No protocol specified
[02:55] <Arami> kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[02:56] <_4strO> :p
[02:56] <_4strO> Arami: normal ;)
[02:56] <Arami> That's normal? O_O
[02:56] <_4strO> you're already root ;)
[02:56] <Arami> Oh, lol ok O_o
[02:56] <_4strO> just do kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:56] <Arami> I feel like I did my first day of French class :(
[02:56] <Ace2016> Arami: type exit to get back to your users command line ~
[02:57] <binks> Arami: fun int it
[02:57] <Arami> Ok
[02:57] <Arami> And it popped up a password prompt
[02:57] <Ace2016> _4strO: that won't work, as root graphical apps won't run
[02:57] <_4strO> but the sudo pb can not found a solution in the sources.list file :p
[02:57] <Ace2016> Arami: it worked
[02:57] <Arami> I type in my root or user password?
[02:57] <Ace2016> Arami: now type in your password
[02:57] <Ace2016> user password
[02:57] <Arami> :P Says it's incorrect.
[02:58] <Ace2016> :O
[02:58] <Arami> Which is bollocks, as I'm logged in just fine :P
[02:58] <_4strO> try with the root pass
[02:58] <Arami> Same O_o
[02:58] <Arami> And now that was new :(
[02:59] <jay_> What's the best app for mounting iso's and other image formats/
[02:59] <_4strO> :/
[02:59] <jay_> ?
[02:59] <Arami> "conversation with su failed" :(
[02:59] <_4strO> Arami: i think i see
[02:59] <_4strO> Arami: just reboot you're box
[02:59] <_4strO> sudo is alredy in use
[02:59] <Arami> Okay, Brb then.
[03:00] <_4strO> ok
[03:00] <_4strO> (think there is another solution but reboot is quiltly speed)
[03:01] <flaccid> did you did do kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:01] <flaccid> err  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:01] <HymnToLife> that's better :p
[03:01] <_4strO> :)
[03:02] <_4strO> kdesu nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <_4strO> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <_4strO>  ??
[03:02] <_4strO> wich one ?
[03:02] <_4strO> Arami: and now ?
[03:02] <Arami> Welp
[03:02] <flaccid> is nano cli
[03:02] <_4strO> flaccid: ?
[03:02] <Arami> Incorrect Password :(
[03:02] <_4strO> cli ?
[03:02] <_4strO> Arami: !!!
[03:03] <Arami> Yeah
[03:03] <_4strO> Arami: try with the other pass
[03:03] <flaccid> Arami: are you entering your password and not the root pass?
[03:03] <_4strO> haaaaaaaaa :!!!
[03:03] <Arami> Oui.
[03:03] <_4strO> hh
[03:03] <Arami> I am entering my password :(
[03:03] <Arami> Bah
[03:03] <flaccid> can you sudo in konsole?
[03:03] <Arami> Just tried with root and it gave me the conversation error again >.<
[03:03] <flaccid> conversation error?
[03:04] <_4strO> yes i already had this message
[03:04] <Arami> "Conversation with su failed"
[03:04] <Arami> AGHH!
[03:04] <flaccid> ok
[03:04] <_4strO> lol
[03:04] <Arami> I think at this point...
[03:04] <flaccid> can you sudo in terminal
[03:05] <Arami> Whenever I use sudo, or really any sort of command for that matter in Konsole, it drops the command line back to me.
[03:05] <_4strO> Arami: su
[03:05] <_4strO> and then
[03:05] <Arami> In a defiant show of blinding hatred for me :(
[03:05] <flaccid> it echos it back to you?
[03:05] <Arami> I can use su however.
[03:05] <_4strO> apt-get remove sudo && apt-get install sudo :p
[03:05] <Arami> Flaccid, yes.
[03:06] <Arami> _4str0, are you being serious? O_O
[03:06] <_4strO> half serious
[03:06] <Arami> Couldn't tell with the sarcastic ":P" at the end lol
[03:07] <_4strO> dont know what to do
[03:07] <Arami> I don't either :( Hence my presence here.
[03:07] <flaccid> actually kdesu is root password
[03:07] <_4strO> and so: remove and install :p
[03:07] <Arami> I guess it can't hurt :P lol
[03:07] <flaccid> only sudo uses your password as per /etc/sudoers
[03:08] <flaccid> run kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources./list
[03:08] <flaccid> and enter the root password
[03:08] <Ace2016> flaccid: thats an idea, maybe he could set it to not use a password       admin ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[03:08] <Arami> When I use kdesu kate it asks me for a password, which I type in correctly, except it has an aneurism and tells me I'M wrong :(
[03:09] <flaccid> Arami: and you are entering the root pass ?
[03:09] <Arami> I've tried both.
[03:09] <flaccid> its the root pass for kdesu
[03:09] <flaccid> do this
[03:09] <flaccid> run kdesu kate in konsole
[03:10] <flaccid> enter root pass, pastebin the output
[03:10] <Arami> Is there flood protection on this channel?
[03:11] <Arami> I just don't want to be kicked over pasting this :P
[03:11] <chijin> !paste
[03:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:11] <Arami> O_o
[03:11] <Ace2016> Arami: can you also post the output of "cat /etc/sudoers" it has to be run as root
[03:12] <Arami> Ok
[03:12] <Arami> So I give you the link?
[03:12] <flaccid> yep
[03:12] <Ace2016> yup
[03:12] <Arami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15371/
[03:12] <Arami> That is new, by the way, I don't think that was there last time I tried to kdesu kate
[03:13] <Arami> Think being the operative term there.
[03:13] <Ace2016> Arami: so can you post the output of "cat /etc/sudoers"?
[03:14] <Arami> Does it require root?
[03:14] <_4strO> Arami: the message when you do kdesu kate is normal
[03:14] <_4strO> Arami: yes$
[03:14] <Ace2016> Arami: yea you need to be root to cat that file
[03:14] <flaccid> !baddevice > Arami
[03:14] <_4strO> !baddevice > _4strO
[03:14] <flaccid> Arami: so did that open kate??
[03:15] <Ace2016> ???
[03:15] <Arami> No such File or Directory?
[03:16] <flaccid> is that what it said?
[03:16] <flaccid> but you didn't paste that?
[03:16] <Arami> cat: /ect/sudoers: No such file or directory
[03:16] <Arami> ^^^ What it says.
[03:16] <_4strO> thats the reason why :p
[03:16] <flaccid> sory /etc/sudoers
[03:17] <_4strO> lol$
[03:17] <Arami> No, the : is part of the return message.
[03:17] <Arami> I didn't put the colon in the actual command.
[03:17] <flaccid> etc
[03:17] <flaccid> not ect
[03:17] <Arami> Oh
[03:18] <Arami> Ok, one sec
[03:18] <Arami> Ah
[03:18] <Arami> Pastbin the results then?
[03:18] <flaccid> ok
[03:18] <flaccid> but you didn't answer my last question
[03:19] <Arami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15372/
[03:19] <flaccid> and what does the command groups return
[03:19] <Arami> root@admin-desktop:/home/admin# <-- That what you mean?
[03:20] <flaccid> not under root
[03:20] <Arami> Oh
[03:20] <Arami> O_o ok
[03:20] <flaccid> user is admin right?
[03:20] <_4strO> cat /etc/group | grep admin
[03:20] <kubuntu22> has anyone installed linux-source-2.6.20 (2.6.20-14.23) that just popped up on Adept Manager?
[03:20] <flaccid> there is a command called groups that will do a 1 line response
[03:20] <Ace2016> nope
[03:21] <_4strO> lol i think the pb is that the user account name is : admin !
[03:21] <Ace2016> thats what i was thinking
[03:21] <Arami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15374/ <-- Doesn't look any different?
[03:22] <_4strO> arami : cat /etc/group | grep admin
[03:22] <_4strO> is there a line with : admin:x:117:yourAccount
[03:23] <Arami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15375/
[03:23] <Arami> There's a line that says admin:x:1000:
[03:23] <_4strO> yep but it's the account line
[03:24] <flaccid> admin doesn't look like its in admin
[03:24] <_4strO> the pb is
[03:24] <flaccid> confirm with the command groups
[03:24] <_4strO> whenn uyou have create admin account (your first account)
[03:24] <flaccid> admin:x:1000:admin
[03:24] <Arami> Je ne comprend pas :(
[03:24] <_4strO> you have destroy the admin group :p
[03:24] <_4strO> Arami: :)
[03:24] <_4strO> !fr
[03:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:24] <Arami> Lol
[03:24] <_4strO> ;)
[03:24] <Arami> I speak English natively, I'm from North Carolina ;)
[03:25] <_4strO> quand tu as cree ton 1er compte (nomm admin)
[03:25] <rarochelle> has anyone installed linux-source-2.6.20 (2.6.20-14.23) that just popped up on Adept Manager?
[03:25] <Arami> Ok, so, when my Uncle installed this, and made the name so ridiculous, he destroyed an actual group named admin?
[03:25] <_4strO> tu as ecras le compte systeme admin
[03:25] <Ace2016> rarochelle: someone just came in and ask that
[03:25] <_4strO> exactly
[03:25] <Arami> Ok...
[03:25] <Ace2016> roconnor: it was kubuntu22
[03:25] <Arami> And that's bad.
[03:25] <_4strO> Arami: yep
[03:25] <flaccid> Arami: i guess its possible. add the user admin to the group admin
[03:26] <_4strO> flaccid: no
[03:26] <flaccid> no?
[03:26] <_4strO> admin:x:1000:
[03:26] <Arami> So...Is this irreparable?
[03:26] <_4strO> is the admin group he create whenn he create the user admin
[03:27] <Arami> It's not such a big deal for me to reformat this one partition really.
[03:27] <flaccid> thats true
[03:27] <_4strO> think it's better
[03:27] <Arami> It will be annoying to setup Kubuntu again :( But that's the sufferage of letting people who know Windows and not Linux setup this stuff :(
[03:27] <_4strO> admin is not a name for a user account :p
[03:27] <flaccid> just change the entry to admin:x:111:admin
[03:28] <Arami> Personally, I dislike the username since it's like, begging to be targeted :P
[03:28] <flaccid> i think you could get away with it
[03:28] <Arami> How would I do that?
[03:28] <flaccid> but you wouldn't wanna create under group admin or have a group admin for the user
[03:28] <flaccid> remove the user and create a real user
[03:28] <flaccid> then add them to admin group
[03:28] <_4strO> yes that a solution
[03:28] <Arami> Ok, so make a new user, and add them to Admin group?
[03:29] <flaccid> yes
[03:29] <flaccid> but also change the admin entry
[03:29] <flaccid> in /etc/group
[03:29] <flaccid> so gid 111
[03:29] <Arami> And...How do I do that?
[03:29] <flaccid> so it matches up with ownership on system files hopefully intact still
[03:30] <flaccid> change it to admin:x:111:
[03:30] <Arami> Hah
[03:30] <Arami> Well
[03:30] <Arami> I found how to do it
[03:30] <Arami> Guess what though...
[03:30] <flaccid> what version of ubuntu are you on
[03:30] <_4strO> flaccid: admin is 117 at home :)
[03:30] <Arami> I need to login O_O
[03:30] <_4strO> but doesn't matter
[03:30] <flaccid> yeah i think they are default
[03:30] <Arami> And it's not accepting my password :P
[03:30] <flaccid> it does really i think for some files
[03:31] <conorkirk1> Tomato
[03:31] <conorkirk1> Internet
[03:31] <flaccid> if you give version we can check default gid for admin
[03:32] <Arami> Ok
[03:32] <Arami> Wait a minute here O_O
[03:32] <Arami> Is there some command, I can use, in the console, under su, that will let me change the admin group, and add an account?
[03:32] <_4strO> lsb_release -a
[03:32] <Arami> Because under system settings, it pops up a password box, and is refusing the password.
[03:33] <Arami> You want the version? Ok
[03:33] <Arami> No LSB modules are available.
[03:33] <Arami> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[03:33] <Arami> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[03:33] <Arami> Release:        6.06
[03:33] <Arami> Codename:       dapper
[03:33] <_4strO> Arami: adduser, addgroup
[03:33] <flaccid> like i said change the entry in /etc/group
[03:33] <flaccid> adduser to add an account
[03:33] <flaccid> ok it should be 111 for admin
[03:34] <_4strO> i'm on a feisty release :p
[03:34] <_4strO> let me check on my dapper server :p
[03:34] <flaccid> you've told us many times its refusing password, thats why we are fixing it..
[03:34] <ccnp> hi
[03:34] <_4strO> admin:x:111:userAccount
[03:34] <Arami> Sorry Flaccid, I didn't see what you said above.
[03:34] <Arami> I'm doing that now.
[03:34] <Arami> Not being rude ;) I was just confused O_O
[03:35] <flaccid> k
[03:35] <_4strO> realy think would be better to reinstall all
[03:35] <flaccid> its a good experiment
[03:35] <ccnp> hi every bady
[03:35] <Arami> I'm staring at the list flaccid has me looking at
[03:35] <_4strO> right :p
[03:35] <Arami> Looking for "Admin"
[03:35] <flaccid> because i had a look and not really any files are owned by admin
[03:35] <Arami> to change it.
[03:36] <Arami> I found "admin:x:1000" at the bottom, and amd:x:4:admin at the top.
[03:36] <Arami> Change the bottom one?
[03:37] <_4strO> yes
[03:37] <NSCAD_Nathan> anyone know of a program which gives a OSD of pressed keys?
[03:37] <flaccid> [2007-04-13 23:30]  <flaccid> change it to admin:x:111:
[03:37] <Arami> Change it to admin:x:111:?
[03:37] <Arami> Ok
[03:37] <_4strO> yes
[03:37] <flaccid> change admin not adm
[03:37] <_4strO> did you already crete another user account ?
[03:37] <Arami> Hmm
[03:37] <Arami> No
[03:38] <_4strO> create one
[03:38] <Arami> Ok, I was just about to say, I can't edit the list.
[03:38] <_4strO> login on it
[03:38] <flaccid> under root
[03:38] <Arami> So what's the context for adduser? adduser <name> <password>?
[03:39] <_4strO> adduser userAccount
[03:39] <_4strO> and then passwd userAccount
[03:39] <flaccid> adduser Arami
[03:39] <_4strO> (if he didnt ask you before)
[03:39] <flaccid> it shoud prompt passwd
[03:39] <Arami> K
[03:40] <Arami> Question:
[03:40] <_4strO> and then logout and login arami account
[03:40] <Arami> Can I make the password the same as this one?
[03:40] <flaccid> yes
[03:40] <Arami> Or would that annoy the system?
[03:40] <_4strO> Arami: yep
[03:40] <Arami> Ok good
[03:40] <flaccid> its np
[03:40] <zombiedog> revenge of the ignorant
[03:40] <Arami> Erm O_o
[03:41] <zombiedog> No, not you
[03:41] <zombiedog> Me
[03:41] <zombiedog> :P
[03:41] <_4strO> ^^
[03:41] <zombiedog> I have a couple questions
[03:41] <Arami> I was refering to what's on my screen zombiedog
[03:41] <zombiedog> Oh.
[03:41] <Arami> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[03:41] <Arami>         Full Name [] :
[03:41] <Arami> Wants me to put my name and such? XD
[03:41] <flaccid> correct
[03:41] <Arami> Do I HAVE to? :P
[03:41] <_4strO> no
[03:41] <Arami> I don't keep my full name anywhere on a computer.
[03:42] <sdf_> hi all
[03:42] <Arami> Makes me nervous O_O
[03:42] <_4strO> Arami: not necessary
[03:42] <sdf_> i have cpp source file and i want to run it
[03:42] <Arami> Especially considering my last name is unique to my family :P lol
[03:42] <sdf_> how?
[03:42] <sdf_> i write it by kate
[03:42] <Arami> Ok, brb
[03:42] <_4strO> sdf_: ./yourFile ?
[03:42] <Arami> Under my new account O_o
[03:43] <sdf_> and save it by extension .cpp
[03:43] <flaccid> you can't run a cpp , its usually compiled or patched
[03:43] <flaccid> its source or a dif?
[03:43] <sdf_> how?
[03:43] <flaccid> outside of the scope of this channel really
[03:44] <sdf_> i wrote cpp program in kate and save it with cpp extension
[03:44] <sdf_> and i want to run it
[03:44] <sdf_> how?
[03:44] <flaccid> so you wrote a program and don't know what to do?
[03:44] <flaccid> thats quite uncanny
[03:44] <sdf_> ya
[03:45] <flaccid> what language is it in?
[03:45] <sdf_> c++
[03:45] <Arami> Hmm :P
[03:45] <Arami> Ok
[03:45] <Arami> All my settings are gone :(
[03:45] <_4strO> :)
[03:45] <flaccid> so you would usually compile that
[03:45] <Arami> But that's fine, I'll deal with that later.
[03:46] <flaccid> they will be in /home/admin/.kde
[03:46] <Arami> Ok...So now I can open Kate supposedly?
[03:46] <sdf_> then?
[03:46] <flaccid> sdf_: i don't know use a c++ compile
[03:46] <flaccid> r
[03:47] <_4strO> Arami: in your konsole su
[03:47] <sdf_> what are you use?
[03:47] <_4strO> and
[03:47] <flaccid> sdf_: i've never done it. as i said i don't know
[03:47] <Arami> _4str0, Su'd
[03:47] <sdf_> ok
[03:47] <Arami> :)
[03:48] <_4strO> nano /etc/group
[03:48] <sivaji> is there any icon to display desktop as in windows
[03:48] <flaccid> sivaji: add applet to main panel
[03:48] <Arami> Ah
[03:49] <Arami> What is admin supposed to be again? 117?
[03:49] <_4strO> and replace the line with admin:x:1001 by admin:x:111:arami (or you new account)
[03:49] <flaccid> 111
[03:49] <zombiedog> Hey, question.
[03:49] <zombiedog> I have a custom blender build from graphicall.org
[03:49] <Arami> Ok
[03:49] <Arami> Done
[03:50] <_4strO> exit
[03:50] <Arami> Do I need to save it or can I just exit?
[03:50] <zombiedog> I extract it to a folder, but when I try running it from KDE, absolutely nothing happens
[03:50] <corey> Hi, i was wondering if someone could help me with something.  Can i change my window settings in KDE so that in one application (wine), pressing Alt and clicking the mouse doesn't move the window?
[03:50] <_4strO> you have to save it
[03:50] <zombiedog> And when I try to run it from the shell, it says blender isn't installed
[03:50] <Arami> Ah it asks me before I exit, good.
[03:50] <_4strO> yep ;)
[03:50] <zombiedog> Like, it tries to get me to apt-get it
[03:50] <Arami> Ok
[03:50] <Arami> Done
[03:50] <_4strO> exit
[03:51] <_4strO> to be user in konsole
[03:51] <sdf_> how can i install mplayer in kubuntu?
[03:51] <waylandbill> Someone is going to send me adobe illustrator files. Is there a program that can read these, or convert to another format?
[03:51] <_4strO> and sudo apt-get update ;)
[03:51] <sivaji> i got this error when i install prozilla configure: error: **A (n)curses library was not found. The program needs ncurses to run, Ncurses is freely available at : ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu **
[03:51] <_4strO> sdf_: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:51] <flaccid> sivaji: add the package ncurses
[03:51] <zombiedog> waylandbill, does Inkscape support them?
[03:51] <Arami> _4str0 and apt-get upgrade? ;)
[03:51] <flaccid> !info ncurses
[03:51] <ubotu> Package ncurses does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:51] <sdf_> i don thave packege
[03:51] <flaccid> !info curses
[03:51] <ubotu> Package curses does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:51] <_4strO> Arami: bah just for try
[03:51] <flaccid> wtf
[03:52] <Arami> Lol
[03:52] <Arami> Nothing to upgrade.
[03:52] <ForgeAus> um I don't think curses and ncurses are packages are they?
[03:52] <Arami> But...it worked, I suppose that's good? O_O
[03:52] <_4strO> :)
[03:52] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install ncurses-base
[03:52] <_4strO> kdesu kate ?
[03:52] <flaccid> Arami: yes
[03:52] <sivaji> flaccid: what this ncurses will do
[03:52] <Arami> Yay
[03:53] <flaccid> sivaji: its a shell TUI
[03:53] <_4strO> sivaji: like dialog i think
[03:53] <ForgeAus> weird I thought kubuntu come with curses/ncurses interface
[03:53] <_4strO> Arami: :)
[03:53] <ForgeAus> thats right flaccid
[03:53] <Arami> Thank you so much guys XD
[03:53] <flaccid> ForgeAus: yeah weird
[03:53] <sdf_> where  can i find the packeage for mplayer???
[03:53] <flaccid> you might need libncurses5 if it doesn't add it
[03:54] <_4strO> Arami: you can handle your admin configuration
[03:54] <ForgeAus> sdf do a search in adept
[03:54] <flaccid> !info mplayer
[03:54] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB
[03:54] <Arami> _4str0, so what do I do with admin?
[03:54] <_4strO> just go to the home of admin account
[03:54] <sdf_> i did
[03:54] <sdf_> but i didn t get any result
[03:54] <ForgeAus> sdf guesss you don' thave the multiverse repository in your sources.list perhaps?
[03:54] <_4strO> and dont hide files
[03:54] <flaccid> Arami: cp -Rv /home/admin/* /home/Arami
[03:55] <_4strO> flaccid: :)
[03:55] <sivaji> flaccid:
[03:55] <sivaji> ncurses-base is already the newest version.
[03:55] <sivaji> ncurses-base is already the newest version.
[03:55] <_4strO> easyer
[03:55] <Arami> ah ok
[03:55] <ForgeAus> sivaji so you already got ncurses installed
[03:55] <Arami> cp I know about \o/
[03:55] <sdf_> right
[03:55] <sdf_> i have kmplayer-base
[03:55] <flaccid> Arami: and if that is successful then remove, then sudo deluser admin && sudo rm -Rv /home/admin
[03:55] <sdf_> status installed
[03:56] <_4strO> Arami: open /etc/passwd file and remove the line admin:.....
[03:56] <flaccid> sivaji: sudo apt-get instal libncurses5
[03:56] <sivaji> then why i got that error
[03:56] <sdf_> and kmplayer-kong-plugins
[03:56] <_4strO> (open as root)
[03:56] <sdf_> also installed
[03:56] <flaccid> Arami: you may still need to user usermod but i can't remember on ubuntu
[03:56] <Chousuke> _4strO: that's what deluser does.
[03:56] <sdf_> and i can t  what do i do?
[03:56] <_4strO> Chousuke: yes
[03:56] <sivaji> flaccid:libncurses5 is already the newest version.
[03:56] <flaccid> sdf_: i do not know why you have the error
[03:57] <waylandbill> zombiedog: looks like that inkscape might just do. thx.
[03:57] <_4strO> deluser remove the ~/ too no ?
[03:57] <flaccid> sorry i mean sivaji id ont know why you have the error
[03:57] <angasule> !sound
[03:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:57] <Arami> Wewt
[03:58] <Chousuke> _4strO: Hmm, I don't think it does that
[03:58] <Arami> I shall begin reconfiguring O_O and then call up my Uncle and bitch at him when he gets off work.
[03:58] <flaccid> nice teamwork, _4strO
[03:58] <_4strO> ^^ flaccid :)
[03:59] <_4strO> Chousuke: deluser --remove-home
[03:59] <zombiedog> Anyone, though? This thing ain't working out for me
[04:00] <flaccid> sivaji: sudo apt-get install libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libncursesw5 libncursesw5-dev ncurses-base ncurses-bin ncurses-hexedit ncurses-term
[04:00] <_4strO> zombiedog: dont know
[04:00] <angasule> how do I tell kubuntu to autodetect my soundcard? I forgot to disable the onboard sound before installing (I have disabled it now)
[04:01] <_4strO> angasule: in the systeme settings ?
[04:02] <angasule> _4strO: it only lets you choose back ends there, it doesn't deal with hardware
[04:02] <_4strO> mmm
[04:02] <Arami> Yes, thank you again so much flaccid and _4str0 XD If you play WoW, and you're ever on Durotan, look up Arami XD
[04:02] <_4strO> ^^
[04:02] <flaccid> hehe ok Arami
[04:02] <_4strO> sont play
[04:02] <_4strO> dont*
[04:02] <angasule> if you check, the 'hardware' tab is actually a 'back end' tab...
[04:02] <_4strO> i dont wanna be addict by a game :p
[04:03] <_4strO> and i know myself
[04:03] <ForgeAus> I must say I havn't used much of Kubuntu lately
[04:03] <Arami> Lol, I hear ya _4str0
[04:03] <_4strO> angasule: right
[04:03] <ForgeAus> mostly been in XP since I got it fixed mostly because of games
[04:03] <Arami> When I first got WoW I was an addict O_o lol
[04:03] <ForgeAus> havnt really had a reason to use Kubuntu
[04:03] <_4strO> im alredy addict by CS
[04:04] <_4strO> angasule: perhaps it's too late for change
[04:04] <_4strO> because its happen in the kernel load
[04:04] <zombiedog> Hey, 3d graphics seem to working slowly for me, just on the offside
[04:05] <zombiedog> Got any better recommended ATI drivers than the default?
[04:05] <angasule> ForgeAus: what games do you play?
[04:05] <flaccid> !ati
[04:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:05] <_4strO> angasule: i try to play counterstrike under wine
[04:05] <zombiedog> sw007
[04:05] <_4strO> impossible for me
[04:06] <_4strO> i have steam ok
[04:06] <ForgeAus> mostly, puzzle/strategy/action games
[04:06] <_4strO> but impossible to launch a game
[04:06] <ForgeAus> like popcap/gamehouse/reflexive arcade titles
[04:06] <_4strO> i only have the counterstrike screen an it freez
[04:06] <angasule> ForgeAus: I was asking for specific titles :) I have played lots of games on wine
[04:07] <_4strO> angasule: counter strike ?
[04:07] <angasule> arcade titles? like mame stuff you mean?
[04:07] <ForgeAus> some work on wine like bejewelled 2 I'm pretty sure does
[04:07] <ForgeAus> many change my screen res under wine
[04:07] <ForgeAus> (xrandr gets it back)
[04:07] <ForgeAus> many don't work
[04:07] <ForgeAus> some do tho
[04:07] <angasule> _4strO: go check wine's website! I have never used steam, and I'm never going to
[04:07] <_4strO> ^^
[04:08] <ForgeAus> oh mame, yeah that too
[04:09] <ForgeAus> but that works under kubuntu, theres kmame even
[04:09] <angasule> yeah :)
[04:09] <ForgeAus> must admit tho I prefer winkawaks' interface
[04:09] <ForgeAus> but mame has more titles
[04:09] <ForgeAus> not just mostly cps/neogeo
[04:10] <ForgeAus> and now that hyper sf2 anniversary edition works :) I like it more
[04:11] <quartab_> hey
[04:11] <quartab_> is anybody in here?
[04:12] <locati> czessi
[04:13] <locati> register
[04:19] <itay> join #knoppix
[04:21] <sivaji> is there any command called "make"
[04:21] <rojanu> yes there s
[04:21] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop/prozilla-1.3.7.4$ make
[04:21] <sivaji> bash: make: command not found
[04:21] <rojanu> but you need to install automake,
[04:21] <rojanu> at least I think it is in there
[04:22] <rojanu> what do you need top compile
[04:22] <sonoftheclayr> sivaji: install the build-essential package
[04:22] <sivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/Desktop/prozilla-1.3.7.4$ automake
[04:22] <sivaji> bash: automake: command not found
[04:23] <sivaji> build essential package means
[04:23] <rojanu> sudo apt-get update
[04:23] <rojanu> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:23] <rojanu> sivaji do as above and that should sort it out
[04:25] <yogi> What's with the update archive being  '403 Forbidden'??
[04:27] <yogi> What's with the update archive being  '403 Forbidden'??
[04:28] <yogi> What's with the update archive being  '403 Forbidden'??
[04:29] <yogi>  What's with the update archive being  '403 Forbidden'??
[04:29] <princeodd> maybe its broken
[04:29] <yogi> princeodd: I downloaded many updates... only one wouldn't download... the kernel
[04:29] <_Neil> yogi: Theres issues with it
[04:29] <_Neil> Broke lots of system
[04:30] <_Neil> so its down for a bit, replacement is going up as we wspeka
[04:30] <_Neil> we speak*
[04:30] <yogi> Okay... thank you for the heads up.
[04:30] <_Neil> np :)
[04:30] <yogi> Neil: Thank you much, again.  I was puzzled that it was seen, but not available.
[04:30] <_Neil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314
[04:31] <_Neil> bug is there if you are interested :)
[04:31] <yogi> Neil: Thanks.
[04:31] <yogi> Have a good rest of your day, everyone. ;)
[04:32] <sivaji> i tried to install prozilla as per manual now how  can i check whether it is installed or not
[04:33] <sivaji> i tried to install prozilla as per manual now how  can i check whether it is installed or not
[04:33] <sivaji> rojanu:i tried to install prozilla as per manual now how  can i check whether it is installed or not
[04:34] <sonoftheclayr> !patience | sivaji
[04:34] <ubotu> sivaji: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:35] <sivaji> !patience | sonoftheclay
[04:35] <ubotu> sonoftheclay: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:36] <burke> Hi! I have a major problem. I'm running the Feisty beta and after a recent upgrade my computer won't boot up anymore. I don't even get a real shell, just a minimal "initramfs" shell
[04:36] <burke> does anybody have any idea what I could do
[04:36] <sonoftheclayr> burke try in #ubuntu+1
[04:36] <burke> sonoftheclayr: thanks
[04:36] <sonoftheclayr> burke np
[04:47] <sivaji> tell me one best download accelerator and manager
[04:48] <jmichaelx> burke: you will have to wait for a kernel upgrade (2.6.20-15)
[04:48] <jmichaelx> it will be out today or tomorrow
[04:49] <_Neil> !breakage
[04:49] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:49] <_Neil> Being fixed as we speak
[04:50] <princeodd> on ssh_config you can add AddressFamily inet so that your ssh client will only use ipv4, is there a way to disable ipv6 in sshd_config?
[04:53] <fdoving> princeodd: you can use that method in sshd_config too.
[04:55] <cyt> !feisty
[04:55] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[04:55] <treq> hi, anyone knows why system services that are supposed to run on boot appearing as "not running" on system services?
[04:57] <ahlalo_elyon> How would I go about finding out whether my system was compromised or not?  My sister used her debit card online once and now there are several hundred dollars worth of unauthorized transactions.
[04:58] <princeodd> fdoving: thanks
[04:58] <fdoving> ahlalo_elyon: install chkrootkit and rkhunter and run them. that'll probably give you some hints.
[05:00] <fuel> !rkhunter > fuel
[05:00] <fdoving> !info rkhunter > fuel
[05:00] <jonathan_> i have a windows partition that isnt showing up in the list of grub
[05:00] <jonathan_> how do i add it to grub
[05:01] <fuel> fdoving: :)
[05:01] <fuel> jonathan_: what do you mean by windows partition showing up on grub?
[05:01] <jonathan_> i can only boot into my linux partition
[05:01] <fuel> does that partition contain an OS installed?
[05:01] <jonathan_> yes it does xp x64
[05:01] <jonathan_> its not giving me the option to boot into it in grub
[05:02] <Arami> Anyone know offhand where to change themes in Kubuntu?
[05:02] <Arwen> jonathan_, pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> !themes
[05:02] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:02] <Arwen> Arami, kcontrol?
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> any of those work for you?
[05:02] <balaji> hi friends
[05:03] <Arami> I have a theme I want to use downloaded, however I can't find the menu in the settings.
[05:03] <Arami> To actually, use it.
[05:03] <balaji> can somebody help me out with the bluetooth problem
[05:03] <balaji> ??????????????????????????/
[05:03] <fdoving> jonathan_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_Windows_entry_into_GRUB_menu
[05:03] <fuel> balaji: dont do that again.
[05:04] <fdoving> balaji: maybe if you ask your question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:04] <eagles0513875> ] yes fdoving
[05:04] <easytiger> anyone seeing a bug with Acorbat reader going in to fullscreen if it is docked to any side of the screen?
[05:05] <balaji> iam able to send data from mobile to my laptop but cannot do the reverse
[05:05] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.ca/438279
[05:05] <eagles0513875> there is my pastbin
[05:05] <balaji> my laptop cannot just detect any mobile phone
[05:06] <fdoving> balaji: what phone?
[05:06] <balaji> nokia 6233
[05:07] <ahlalo_elyon> So, if running chkrootkit and rkhunter don't return anything found, should I assume my system hasn't been compromised?  Or are there other tests I should run?
[05:08] <eagles0513875> what do i have to do to add my windows partition to the list in grub
[05:08] <fdoving> eagles0513875: follow http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_Windows_entry_into_GRUB_menu
[05:09] <eagles0513875> ok fdoving ty
[05:09] <eagles0513875> does taht work in feisty as well
[05:09] <fdoving> ahlalo_elyon: you can monitor the network traffic for a few days, analyze it and see that nothing weird happens.
[05:09] <balaji> any body can help?
[05:09] <fdoving> ahlalo_elyon: or you could just re-install completely to be 100% sure.
[05:10] <ahlalo_elyon> fdoving: Well, I haven't installed anything that would compromise my system... so a fresh reinstall wouldn't really change much, I don't think.
[05:10] <ahlalo_elyon> fdoving: I'm sure it wasn't our system that gave up the account info... just checking to make sure.
[05:11] <fdoving> ahlalo_elyon: it's not about what you install, if you suspect the system is compromised, i don't suspect that you have compromised it yourself.
 can u help?
[05:11] <fdoving> ahlalo_elyon: but, then again i do not suspect the system to be compromised just by those credit cards transactions, i would rather suspect the online stores or something like that.
[05:12] <letynsoft> hi i have problem... i allmost can't use my CD/DVD rom or burn anything on it... i thing that my kernel can't speek wery well to my mother board...
[05:12] <fdoving> balaji: i'm googling. looks like the 6233 is fully supported in irda, bluetooth and cable by openobex.
[05:12] <ahlalo_elyon> fdoving: Exactly what I'm thinking.  My sister ordered from one site two nights ago, now she has charges from paypal, ccbill, 2checkout, etc... all online payment services.
[05:12] <letynsoft> i have Asus A8R32-MVP and i'm running kubuntu 6.10 64 bit
[05:13] <ahlalo_elyon> Word of caution to everyone: DO NOT USER SHUTTERFLY.COM UNTIL THEY GET IT FIXED.
[05:13] <ahlalo_elyon> "_
[05:13] <balaji> yes but iam able to transfer from mobile to my laptop but unable to just do the reverse
[05:14] <ubuntu__> Hoi, you know that guide on how to install ati drivers someone sent me to?
[05:14] <ubuntu__> (*was zombiedog*)
[05:14] <letynsoft> can somebody help me pls?
[05:14] <ewgeni90> 
[05:15] <ubuntu__> Cause it b0rked my xorg
[05:15] <ubuntu__> I dunno what happened, but now,  after following the guide, it loads linux, then it gets to loading X and the screen goes blank
[05:15] <ubuntu__> And every minute or so a message will appear
[05:15] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: So you copied your backup, and now you're fine, right?
[05:16] <ubuntu__> Not yet, I'm just mentioning this first
[05:16] <jhutchins> !ati | ubuntu__
[05:16] <ubotu> ubuntu__: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <stevethepirate> hello. how would i adjust the global bass and treble settings in kde?
[05:16] <ubuntu__> ...Jhutchins, I was sent that the last time
[05:16] <ubuntu__> I followed it.
[05:16] <ubuntu__> See previous, re: blank screen with the occasional error message
[05:17] <ubuntu__> It says that bcm43xx_microcode4.fw is not available or wasn't loaded
[05:17] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: Some cards allow that with kmix or alsamixer.  Others just don't have the feature.
[05:17] <ubuntu__> And every time it iterates that message, it throws up a set of numbers
[05:17] <stevethepirate> mine doesn't ;(
[05:17] <fdoving> ubuntu__: that has to do with your wireless card.
[05:17] <stevethepirate> how can i edit in mplayer ?
[05:17] <ubuntu__> ...That's interesting. Why did it start when I installed the ati drivers?
[05:17] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: If your card/driver doesn't have the feature, you can't.
[05:18] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: Ah, you mean how do you edit video?
[05:18] <balaji> anybody has any idea?
[05:18] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: Probably didn't, but now that x isn't working you're seeing the errors.
[05:18] <ubuntu__> ahhh. Fair enough
[05:19] <ubuntu__> Hey, it goes into this kind of 'nullspace' where there isn't a command prompt, but you can type letters on the screen
[05:19] <fdoving> ubuntu__: what kind of numbers? appear after that error?
[05:19] <ubuntu__> Any idea how to get out of that or do I just restart
[05:19] <ubuntu__> No, they appear before the error, I wrote some of them down
[05:19] <soon> Hi folks - I tried to install Sun Java from Adept - I had to terminate before it finished, now I cant run adept or apt-get, as the database is locked - some other application is using the packaging system ... except there aint! How do I unlock the system again ???
[05:19] <fdoving> !java | soon
[05:19] <ubotu> soon: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:20] <fdoving> soon: there is an adept section on that page. please do as it says to fix.
[05:20] <ubuntu__> [40.269509]  error message, [57.869426]   message, [65.234146]  error message again
[05:20] <ubuntu__> Etc.
[05:20] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: Here's what I suggest.  Do you have a touchscreen or touchpad?
[05:20] <ubuntu__> No, I have a wacom tablet
[05:20] <fdoving> ubuntu__: ah.. those are timestamps.
[05:21] <balaji> does anybody hav experience using bluetooth in kubuntu>
[05:21] <letynsoft> any solution
[05:21] <letynsoft> ?
[05:21] <fdoving> letynsoft: does livecds work?
[05:21] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: Ok, well, that's simpler.  Stop kdm (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop).
[05:21] <letynsoft> dunno...
[05:21] <fdoving> letynsoft: can you try?
[05:21] <letynsoft> what do u thing...
[05:22] <zombiedog> That'll actually work? I said there wasn't a command prompt
[05:22] <jhutchins> ubuntu__: then log in to a console and run startx.  This will give you meaningful errors when you quit X.
[05:22] <NetersLandreau> what is the command for the power meter?
[05:22] <soon> Thanks !
[05:22] <soon> fdoving ... that should do it for me.
[05:22] <letynsoft> dunno what do u thing...^^*
[05:22] <jhutchins> zombiedog: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to console.
[05:22] <zombiedog> Fair enough, thanks
[05:23] <fdoving> letynsoft: you can also google the name of your motherboard and ubuntu linux - see if that gives you any meaningfull hints.
[05:23] <jhutchins> zombiedog: If startx doesn't work, try just X. (Ctrl-alt-Backspace to quit).
[05:23] <fdoving> soon: good :)
[05:23] <letynsoft> ok...
[05:23] <fdoving> jhutchins: there is already /var/log/Xorg.0.log probably.
[05:24] <jhutchins> zombiedog: You can also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:24] <fdoving> :)
[05:24] <zombiedog> Thanks
[05:24] <jhutchins> fdoving: Yeah, I tend to forget that at first, but the differential between startx and X is helpful too.
[05:24] <zombiedog> Any idea what would be causing it all?
[05:25] <jhutchins> zombiedog: Obviously the ati drivers.
[05:25] <jhutchins> zombiedog: The resolution in kdmrc or xorg.conf isn't matching up correctly.
[05:25] <jhutchins> zombiedog: You could try fixres...
[05:25] <jhutchins> !fixres | zombiedog
[05:25] <ubotu> zombiedog: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:25] <zombiedog> Actually, I'll check the log here
[05:25] <zombiedog> I'll just mount it
[05:26] <balaji> BLUETOOTH CONFIGURATION ANYBODY?
[05:27] <zombiedog> ...Huh.
[05:27] <zombiedog> Would sending you people a pastebin help?\
[05:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: caps | balaji
[05:27] <ubotu> balaji: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: bluetooth
[05:27] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:28] <kuntubuntu> any ideas about how to change automount settings like exec,no-exec?
[05:28] <kuntubuntu> cd drives seem to have no-exec by default
[05:28] <HymnToLife> kuntubuntu, in /etc/fstab
[05:28] <kuntubuntu> i know, but it doesn't run really
[05:29] <kuntubuntu> mount point in fstab is: /media/cdrom0
[05:29] <zombiedog> Wait, I found something
[05:29] <zombiedog> Might be a glitch on line 178
[05:29] <kuntubuntu> but: media gets mounted in /media/<medianame>
[05:29] <kuntubuntu> so who controls automount?
[05:30] <zombiedog> It says there's an unexpected EOF, and that it might be a missing EndSection keyword
[05:30] <zombiedog> There's an EndSection right below it, though
[05:32] <zombiedog> Does this look bad to you people?
[05:32] <zombiedog> Section "Extensions"
[05:32] <zombiedog>         Option    "Composite" "false"
[05:32] <zombiedog> EndSection
[05:33] <balaji> thanks a lot mate it has worked
[05:36] <zombiedog> Just letting you know I said something, just in case the words have scrolled off the screen from the connection notices
[05:37] <theLibrarian> hi, all
[05:37] <zombiedog> There seems to be a brief silence on the other end of the line
[05:38] <kuntubuntu> mount says: /dev/scd0 on /media/GENERALE1 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uid=1
[05:38] <kuntubuntu> how can i change udev rule to make it mount exec?
[05:38] <kuntubuntu> i'm wondering about why no-exec is set by default
[05:38] <theLibrarian> Hey, i'm trying to find the file where the Monitor & Display control panel makes its changes when I set up Power management.  I've got a machine at work on which that control panel is broken
[05:39] <theLibrarian> I should specify that's power managment for the monitor.
[05:39] <deitarion> Anyone here with Gentoo experience? I'm trying to figure out why my mother's Kubuntu machine is refusing to let me log in despite an smb.conf nearly identical to what I normally use without problems.
[05:39] <soulrider_> does anyone know if there are any updated ISOs of feisty?
[05:39] <soulrider_> somethign more updated than beta
[05:40] <jhutchins> soulrider_: Will be the week of the 19th.
[05:40] <theLibrarian> soulrider_: Beta's all i saw when I pulled the ISO alst ight
[05:40] <nixternal> deitarion: you wouldn't by chance be using a custom dns entry (say opendns) on her machine, or using it on others and not hers?
[05:40] <soulrider_> its just i need to install kubuntu on 2 computers today
[05:40] <jhutchins> So next week, I guess.
[05:40] <soulrider_> i thought feisty could be a good idea
[05:40] <soulrider_> but nvm
[05:40] <erikja> join #hamradio
[05:40] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:40] <jhutchins> soulrider_: Do a net install from the feisty mirrors.
[05:41] <jhutchins> soulrider_: Then just update them when the official release hits.
[05:41] <soulrider_> how do i do that?
[05:41] <nixternal> erikja: I am guessing that was a slip up
[05:41] <deitarion> nixternal: All machines on this LAN use the DNS published by the FreeBSD router via DHCP... but I'm using the raw 192.168.0.x IP address. I'm getting NT_STATUS_LOGIN_FAILURE from smbclient.
[05:41] <jhutchins> soulrider_: I belive that the only thing that they're waiting on is mastering the iso's.
[05:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:41] <jhutchins> soulrider_: Or just use the beta iso's then update next week.
[05:42] <nixternal> deitarion: I have no clue on that one. I know I had an issue with one box, actually my laptop with smb due to using a different dns entry than the rest of my other boxes
[05:42] <erikja> hizternal, You are quite right
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <erikja> griinn
[05:42] <nixternal> didn't even know there was a hamradio chan
[05:42] <nixternal> cool
[05:42] <deitarion> *sigh* I guess I'll have to look into cranking up the smbd verbosity on her machine.
[05:43] <nixternal> deitarion: ya, smb is a bugger at times to debug and figure out the issues
[05:43] <erikja> but there is one :-)
[05:43] <deitarion> nixternal: Too bad there's no better alternative. NFS is terrible.
[05:43] <nixternal> if there is a samba chan on here deitarion I would give them a try, they would of course no better
[05:43] <nixternal> deitarion: well NFS isn't terrible, until it breaks, then it is OMFG I lost everything
[05:43] <nixternal> heh
[05:44] <nixternal> samba is just so much easier to setup
[05:44] <deitarion> nixternal: Maybe if you're running centralized LDAP or NIS.
[05:44] <jhutchins> #samba is pretty helpful.
[05:44] <deitarion> SMB at least lets you have different UIDs on different machines without blowing up.
[05:44] <nixternal> which I was until I lost the machine doing that and NFS, then I was stuck with nadda
[05:44] <hak5fan> I
[05:46] <Pharsalus> If I install the beta, will it upgrade itself when the alpha releases?
[05:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:47] <apokryphos> Pharsalus: do you mean the final release?
[05:47] <Pharsalus> Err, yes I do. :)
[05:47] <apokryphos> yeah, you should be able to upgrade to final pretty easily
[05:47] <hak5fan> I'm very unlucky I have to reinstall Kubuntu i guess. Wine doesn't work see this thread if you think you can help me:: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408390
[05:47] <Pharsalus> Ok, ty apokryphos
[05:48] <hak5fan> reinstalling sucks so I hope someone can help me
[05:49] <eams> Hi! I have a problem... I don't speak English very well and I need help!!!
[05:49] <intelikey> hak5fan no solution, but some advice.
[05:49] <eams> In the spanish channel nobody answer me...
[05:49] <intelikey> !worksforme | hak5fan
[05:49] <ubotu> hak5fan: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:49] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | eams
[05:49] <ubotu> eams: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:49] <Admiral_Chicago> eams: which language do you speak. also, ask your question.
[05:50] <Admiral_Chicago> eams: i speak spanish, maybe you can tell me it in a PM. but I do not write spanish well
[05:50] <eams> Espaol
[05:50] <binks_> !es
[05:50] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:50] <intelikey> hak5fan note the last part of that post.  "The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability."
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> binks_: welcome late to the party
[05:50] <binks_> lol i had a net split sorry
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> we've already established that the spanish channel was of no help :D
[05:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it happens.  one thing i despise about irc
[05:51] <eams> Sombody can go to the spanish chanell? Please
[05:51] <hak5fan> I know and I reinstalled the old version but that didn't work either
[05:52] <binks_> [16:43]  <binks> anyone good with nfs can help me set it up
[05:52] <binks_> [16:43]  <binks> i installe dit
[05:52] <binks_> [16:43]  <binks> now what do i put in /etc/exports
[05:52] <binks_> [16:44]  <binks> is it the location of the folder on my sys i want to share
[05:52] <hak5fan> intellikey: and I installed a STABLE version of wine
[05:52] <binks_> wine stable lol ye right
[05:52] <intelikey> hak5fan yes i read your post.  "This started happening after I upgraded wine among other programes."  <<< it's not wine, most likely.
[05:53] <hak5fan> intellikey I trusted apt too much then apt-get upgrade makes things crash... hmmm
[05:54] <Arwen> w00t, there's a gtk2 engine to make GNOME look like KDE :-)
[05:54] <Arwen> now I'm happy :-)
[05:54] <intelikey> binks_ i've never had wine take X down with it.   and in fact only had wine crash a very few times.
[05:56] <ForgeAus> Arwen why? Kde's better
[05:56] <Arwen> ForgeAus, I like gnome-panel over kicker...
[05:56] <hak5fan> Since no one seems to know the answer I have to reinstall. How can I repartition drives with qtparted (ext3) it says my harddrive is buissy and I'm in knoppix... what's going on?
[05:56] <binks_> i just cant get along at all with wine wish someone would write a simple howto get apps running and what to do if they dont if its not in the list its very difficult i find
[05:56] <ForgeAus> intelikey I thought you didn't use gui apps
[05:57] <Arwen> speaking of wine, I've yet to see anything run in it..
[05:57] <intelikey> hak5fan possable, but more likely you trusted the non-official ubuntu repos too much.    i would bet there are still repos in your sources.list that are not http://*archive.ubuntu.com/*
[05:57] <intelikey> ForgeAus i don't much anymore doesn't mean i never did.
[05:57] <ForgeAus> hak5fan is the knoppix from a live cd? if its ran from your hdd its probably why you can't modify it
[05:57] <waylandbill> intelikey: uses X? the world is coming to an end.
[05:57] <ForgeAus> lol wayland :) agreed
[05:57] <hak5fan> Live
[05:57] <zombiedog> Dun dun dun
[05:58] <ForgeAus> binks go to winehq.org
[05:58] <ForgeAus> theres howto's there
[05:58] <llutz> hi
[05:58] <intelikey> waylandbill i would have to totaly agree, although i see no connection between the two.
[05:58] <ForgeAus> I've seen many apps running in wine
[05:58] <intelikey> :)
[05:58] <Admiral_Chicago> hak5fan: try sudo umount -a
[05:58] <ForgeAus> admittedly I've seen twice as many that don't run in wine
[05:58] <Admiral_Chicago> might be using swap
[05:58] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: you've yet to see *anything* run in wine?
[05:58] <Admiral_Chicago> but i have class
[05:58] <binks_> ForgeAus: ive been but cant get my head around it not top of my listof todos so not fussed
[05:58] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:58] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:58] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, yes, it's always broken or it crashes wine...
[05:59] <hak5fan> I really can't understand why my hdd is buissy when it's not mounted and therfore I can't understand why it can't be resized
[05:59] <Arwen> admittedly I've only tried games and MS Office so...
[05:59] <zombiedog> Heh, I forgot where the logs were again
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> the few pieces of windows software i still use run fine in wine
[05:59] <ForgeAus> binks then don't complain you cant use wine if you can't get your head around the howtos...
[05:59] <eams> When I can't go to another partition and I can't start windows, I don't now what is happening. All start when I aplied the actualizations of kubuntu
[05:59] <Daisuke_Ido> but they're just little utilities i haven't learned the linux alternative for yet
[05:59] <ForgeAus> you can only have it one way or the other, not both
[05:59] <eams> I can't go to another partition and I can't start windows, I don't now what is happening. All start when I aplied the actualizations of kubuntu
[05:59] <waylandbill> intelikey: the relation may just be coincidental.
[06:00] <ForgeAus> btw.. ask for help (send the winehq team an email) if you don't understand them
[06:00] <ForgeAus> is feisty going to reset grub?
[06:01] <berkes> is it possible with an (icon) theme or so to change the [+]  and [-]  in KDEs treeviews into a > and v (like OS and Gnome have it)?
[06:01] <ForgeAus> berks I guess so
[06:01] <intelikey> hak5fan you don't mount drives you mount file systems  which are normally inside partitions on the drive. (although a partition is not needed)  so if any partitions file system on the drive is mounted, the drive is buissy.
[06:01] <eams> somebody can help me?
[06:01] <berkes> okay.... and any clue where to look ForgeAus?
[06:01] <ForgeAus> I think theres some kind of theme that does that
[06:02] <cskj> can anyone tell me how i could get linux on my smartphone?
[06:02] <ForgeAus> berkes I'm not entirely certain A) that it can be done nor B) how exactly, it just feels like I've done it before, but I can't pinpoint any examples
[06:02] <cskj> is it possible?
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> hey all, ive got a problem with updating, the new kernel image is giving me a 403 forbidden error when apt tries to download it. Any ideas?
[06:02] <zombiedog> Hey, can someone tell me where the x logs are? I'm very tired. I was told recently, but it's slipped my mind
[06:02] <Neil-> hitmanWilly: its being fixedc
[06:02] <intelikey> hak5fan that how ever is probably not what you are facing.   check that there is no gui looking at an fs   (i.e. an icon for the drive/partition/fs)
[06:02] <Neil-> known issue, the kernel caused a lot of problems for people
[06:02] <ForgeAus> zombiedog /etc/X11 ???
[06:03] <Neil-> so its been shut off
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> Neil-, ah, ok, not just me then
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> which version of the kernel is that?
[06:03] <berkes> ForgeAus: kay.
[06:03] <eams> Again: I can't go to another partition and I can't start windows, I don't now what is happening. All start when I aplied the actualizations of kubuntu
[06:03] <zombiedog> Forgeaus: You'd think, but no
[06:03] <Neil-> !breakage
[06:03] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[06:03] <Neil-> see 2nd link
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> the newest 2.6.20-14 for feisty
[06:03] <ForgeAus> maybe its called X11R6
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> great
[06:03] <ForgeAus> brb
[06:03] <ForgeAus> I'll check
[06:04] <eams> ubotu are you speaking me?
[06:04] <cskj> uhm...anyone know if i could put linux on my smartphone?
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then
[06:04] <notts> just install two days ago 7.04 kubuntu on my laptop, today download some updates, then I rebooted, and got this error messages "error loading os" ???
[06:05] <intelikey> ForgeAus Q. i have linux-image-2.6.15-28-386 installed but upgrade wants to install same  2.6.15-28-386   is it a patch  with no new version ?   recon ?
[06:05] <cskj> i'd just like to know if it's possible
[06:05] <ForgeAus> its in /var/logs most likely
[06:05] <zombiedog> found it, in--yeah
[06:05] <Neil-> notts: Did you update the kernel image? :)
[06:05] <ForgeAus> intelikey I guess so I don't know
[06:05] <zombiedog> Just found it now
[06:05] <eams> ubotu is a machine, isn't it?
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, makes me glad i don't have any sata drives.
[06:05] <ForgeAus> check out the description see if theres any change
[06:06] <intelikey> eams ubotu is a script
[06:06] <zombiedog> Ok, anyone here got time to check a log?
[06:06] <notts> hmm, I saw that it was install a new kernel
[06:06] <Neil-> ah ok
[06:06] <notts> so, yes....
[06:06] <Neil-> theres big issues with it right now
[06:06] <zombiedog> It doesn't get very far, just a few lines
[06:06] <Neil-> so a new one is being put online
[06:06] <Neil-> just a sec..
[06:06] <notts> great...
[06:06] <ForgeAus> zombiedog I'm probably the last person you should ask to do that
[06:06] <zombiedog> ...Anyone else? :P
[06:07] <eams> thank you intelikey
[06:07] <fdoving> zombiedog: what log?
[06:07] <notts> infact, one of the images, did not download for the kernel, something about breaking a package...
[06:07] <ForgeAus> intelikey did I tell you I think I might have aspergers?
[06:07] <eagles0513875> ive added my partition to grub but im not sure i did it correctly
[06:07] <eagles0513875> cuz i keep getting an error 12
[06:07] <ForgeAus> (I don't relish the idea that I may suffer a condition that Bill Gates is rumoured also to suffer)
[06:07] <zombiedog> Oh, everyone says they have aspergers
[06:07] <intelikey> ForgeAus no you didn't even tell me what "aspergers" is ....  ;/
[06:07] <ForgeAus> zombie, I don't know for sure yet...
[06:07] <zombiedog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15403/
[06:08] <zombiedog> Yeah, I'll bet you don't
[06:08] <notts> Neil so now what?
[06:08] <ForgeAus> I'm goign to get myself checked out for it
[06:08] <notts> re-install
[06:08] <zombiedog> Tons of people think they have, but until you're diagnosed, you don't have it
[06:08] <Neil-> notts: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408226
[06:08] <ForgeAus> I thought the same about ADD, and it turned out that I do have mild ADD
[06:08] <zombiedog> Well, get it checked
[06:08] <zombiedog> BEFORE telling people
[06:08] <ForgeAus> Aspergers is a type of high-functioning autism basically
[06:08] <Neil-> notts: There are instructions to fix it there, but a new replacement is being put on as we speak.. that thread explains how to revert to an older kernel
[06:08] <zombiedog> I know what it is, I was diagnosed with it
[06:08] <ForgeAus> zombie I didn't say I HAD it I said I might have it...
[06:09] <intelikey> hmmm.   don't sound like something you would want....
[06:09] <ForgeAus> exactly
[06:09] <zombiedog> No, it's a pain.
[06:09] <zombiedog> It's like being project64 in a world of n64 consoles
[06:09] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:09] <intelikey> :)
[06:09] <Neil-> notts: You have another kernel available in your boot menu? Assuming you can get in via that one?
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> i think its CRT radiation
[06:10] <notts> Neil: so, I should wait ?
[06:10] <zombiedog> Anyway, did anyone check the paste?
[06:10] <Neil-> notts: Indeed
[06:10] <notts> for a new kernel to be uploaded
[06:10] <ForgeAus> yes a lifetime of being round hole but every peg you come across is square
[06:10] <zombiedog> No, not that at all
[06:10] <Neil-> notts: A fix is being put online right now :)
[06:10] <notts> neil what version is good
[06:10] <notts> kernel ###
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> notts: try 2.6.20-13 or older
[06:11] <intelikey> well i don't have to worry about it ForgeAus, i'm not one bit autistic,,,,    err wait thats artistic.   never mind.
[06:11] <Arwen> were we seriously talking about autism a few lines up?
[06:11] <zombiedog> Not me
[06:11] <zombiedog> :P
[06:11] <ForgeAus> rofl intelikey
[06:12] <zombiedog> Anyway, anyone going to look at the paste? I'm kinda trying to figure this thing out
[06:12] <ForgeAus> Parse error on line 178 of section Extensions in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <ForgeAus> 	Unexpected EOF. Missing EndSection keyword?
[06:12] <fdoving> zombiedog: youre missing an 'EndSection' line after the Extensions section around line 180 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <ForgeAus> yeah
[06:12] <ForgeAus> I was just about to say that your xorg.conf needs fixing
[06:13] <zombiedog> ...
[06:13] <zombiedog> Well, yes.
[06:13] <zombiedog> I'm aware of that.
[06:13] <ForgeAus> well do a pastebin of the xorg.conf
[06:13] <zombiedog> I just did
[06:13] <dusiu> hi all ;)
[06:13] <ForgeAus> it could be as simple as missing a "
[06:13] <zombiedog> fdoving, there's an endsection there, though
[06:14] <notts> Neil: i can't even get to the booting, right after the bios menu, it comes up with the error message... dead in water
[06:14] <intelikey> yep i'd guess missing   "
[06:14] <ForgeAus> intelikey or one too many?
[06:14] <zombiedog> Section "Extensions"
[06:14] <zombiedog>         Option     "Composite" "0"
[06:14] <zombiedog> EndSection
[06:14] <zombiedog> Look, see?
[06:14] <Samacab> salut ya t'il des francais sur le serveur svp ?
[06:14] <zombiedog> This is where it says the problem is
[06:14] <ForgeAus> is extensions meant to be in "'s? I tink it is from memory...
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> notts: hit esc as soon as it says "loading grub", its fast so be ready
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> notts, should be right after the bios menu
[06:15] <ForgeAus> hmm looks perfectly reasonable
[06:15] <intelikey> ForgeAus same thing to the system.  one to many " = no closing "     and the error message "16         Unexpected EOF. "  is almost always the same.
[06:15] <Neil-> notts: Gotta run, hitmanWilly looks like he will sort you out :) Good luck
[06:15] <ForgeAus> zombie there may be a " missing above it that gets closed at the point you pasted
[06:16] <ForgeAus> just check to make sure all your "'s match
[06:16] <ForgeAus> everywhere in the file
[06:16] <ForgeAus> (I'm not saying that IS the problem its just something to look out for)
[06:16] <notts> hitmanwilly: okay you say hit esc
[06:16] <notts> I will try it
[06:16] <zombiedog> No, there isn't
[06:16] <zombiedog> I checked
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> notts, as soon as it says grub
[06:16] <ForgeAus> ok
[06:16] <ForgeAus> well then pastebin the rest
[06:16] <notts> then select the older kernel
[06:17] <notts> okay, hang on.............................................checking
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> notts, yes, should be two down from the top
[06:17] <intelikey> zombiedog also of note you can not close ` with '   they are totally different.
[06:17] <ForgeAus> also what video card do you have
[06:17] <zombiedog> ATI Radeon 9800se
[06:18] <ForgeAus> that could be a problem
[06:18] <ForgeAus> I too have an ATI radeon (mine is 9600 AIO wonder AGP card) and it doesn't seem to run xgl
[06:18] <ForgeAus> also you migh twant to consider using the word disable instead of 0 (but that shouldn't make a difference really)
[06:18] <Arwen> I have a Radeon X300 :-(
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> nvidia 7900 GS
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> power to spare :)
[06:19] <zombiedog> lawl
[06:20] <zombiedog> It works fine on windows
[06:20] <Arwen> hitmanWilly, GS? lol
[06:20] <ForgeAus> yeah but linux doesn't use windows drivers
[06:20] <ForgeAus> windows actually has very nice ATI drivers imho
[06:20] <zombiedog> I know, I'm just saying that it isn't like it ISN'T powerful
[06:20] <eagles0513875> ati support suxs for linux
[06:20] <chris> ANy idea how to link to kernel source to make ndiswrapper... running make says path to kernl not found
[06:20] <Arwen> uh... imho, the Windows ATI drivers *still* suck
[06:20] <ForgeAus> its mostly the company ATI hasn't released as open source
[06:20] <notts> Neil: bad news.... there was on two choices, one said recover mode 2:20:14, so I selected that one... then it did its thing, and then I rebooted, still got the error message
[06:20] <Arwen> Catalyst = eww
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> ATI just sucks in general, imho
[06:20] <notts> hitmanwilly
[06:21] <ForgeAus> I disagree there hitman
[06:21] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:21] <ForgeAus> but then I'm a fan of ATI
[06:21] <zombiedog> Sweet, that's your opinion, as flippant and biased as it is
[06:21] <eagles0513875> i have an nvidia card in this desktop and still no open gl out of box
[06:21] <zombiedog> It's not a card war anyway, I'm just trying to make it work
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> everyone's entitled to their opinion
[06:21] <eagles0513875> but its probably not that hard to set that up
[06:21] <zombiedog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15406/
[06:21] <ForgeAus> I do, however find it unfortunate that it doesn't get along with linux too well
[06:21] <ForgeAus> ok
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> notts: what's up?
[06:21] <zombiedog> Well, no, it's just there's no point in saying 'such and such sucks lol' when someone's asking for help
[06:21] <notts> it did not work
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> notts: what happened?
[06:22] <notts> there where only tow kernel listed
[06:22] <notts> one recovery
[06:22] <notts> and the other
[06:22] <notts> so, selected recovery
[06:22] <notts> it loaded
[06:22] <notts> command lne
[06:22] <notts> then I rebooted
[06:22] <notts> got same error
[06:22] <eagles0513875> i cant boot into my windows partition i get an error 22 no such partition
[06:22] <ForgeAus> um does xorg.conf require a blank line after it like fstab does?
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> notts: that's just the same kernel, but CLI and single user mode
[06:23] <zombiedog> brb, food
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> notts: ok, when the new kernel update goes live, boot into that and use apt to upgrade
[06:24] <notts> it booted, in recovery mood
[06:24] <notts> you mean used the reovery mood kernel to download
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> notts: yes
[06:24] <notts> the updated NEW kernel
[06:24] <notts> k
[06:24] <notts> apt-get or aptitude
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> notts, i don't know if its up yet, so just be patient
[06:25] <notts> k
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> notts: either or will work
[06:26] <notts> tks ++
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> np
[06:28] <ForgeAus> zombiedog, for when/if you get back, 1) try putting a blank line under the end of the file, 2) if that doesn't work delete and retype the whole section... I doubt theres whitespace or control characters of some kind messing with it but you never know... C) if that doesn't work I aren't sure whats wrong, generally looks ok to me
[06:28] <lloyd> hi
[06:28] <notts> I did not wanted to re-install all again
[06:28] <lloyd> how do i split up archives in ark?
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> zombiedog, could be a corrupted file, had that happen to me once
[06:29] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if the order matters but I have the DRI section before the Extensions one... in my xorg.conf
[06:29] <lloyd> !ark
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ark - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> not sure on that one...
[06:30] <Pollywog> does anyone know if there is a channel for OS X?
[06:30] <ForgeAus> um go to #mac
[06:30] <ForgeAus> they should know
[06:30] <Pollywog> tnx
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> Pollywog, #mac maybe
[06:30] <ForgeAus> or #apple
[06:31] <rotaticus> ok i already googled but i cannot find a solution ... howto make my mp3 play? i just updated everything
[06:32] <rotaticus> i found many solutions which didnt help
[06:32] <jhutchins> !build | chris
[06:32] <ubotu> chris: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, did you install Ubuntu restricted extras?
[06:33] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: uhm sec ill look
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, that has all your proprietary codecs in it
[06:34] <achilles> aloha
[06:34] <rotaticus> please what? i only find kernel modules
[06:35] <achilles> can anybody of any help about kbfx
[06:35] <ForgeAus> achilles isn't that just an alternate kmenu?
[06:35] <achilles> yeah
[06:35] <achilles> thats right
[06:35] <ForgeAus> well I guess it depends on what kind of help you need
[06:36] <achilles> i installed it but i cant apply themes
[06:36] <achilles> to it
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus: go through adept (Add/Remove Programs) enavle third party and unsupported software, search Ubuntu restricted, should come up
[06:36] <achilles> i mean its says the theme is loaded
[06:36] <achilles> but there is no change in the menu
[06:36] <lloyd> would someone be kind enough to tell me how i setup a password for my ark archives
[06:36] <achilles> i just go to themes and provide the path of the kbfx theme
[06:36] <ForgeAus> perhaps it didn't install into the right place?
[06:37] <asaup> can i install mettise for kubuntu ?
[06:37] <ForgeAus> you might need a symlink or something?
[06:37] <achilles> i installed it twice
[06:37] <lloyd> handbook doenst say a thing on it and its kinda urgent
[06:37] <achilles> i eman the whole kbfx as well
[06:37] <ForgeAus> asaup I know you can for mandriva but I'm not sure there is a kubuntu version of it
[06:37] <achilles> have been bangin my head on it for 2 days now
[06:37] <asaup> ForgeAus: thats why i am asking. :P
[06:37] <ForgeAus> also kubuntu being a .deb package management-based distro rather than rpm doesn't bode well
[06:37] <asaup> anyways thanx
[06:38] <achilles> ForgeAus: what do you suggest
[06:38] <ForgeAus> if you can get the source you might try compiling it under kubuntu, that MIGHT work
[06:38] <ForgeAus> achilles I'm not sure where kbfx puts things nor where the installer does
[06:38] <asaup> good idea
[06:38] <achilles> its in /usr/share/apps/kbfx
[06:38] <zombiedog> Back
[06:38] <zombiedog> I'll try that stuff and see
[06:39] <ForgeAus> ok is there a themes subdir?
[06:39] <achilles> yeah
[06:39] <ForgeAus> are the themes in there?
[06:39] <achilles> and the theme i wanna use does existr there
[06:39] <achilles> yeah
[06:39] <ForgeAus> hmmm...
[06:39] <ForgeAus> well that suggests that it should work
[06:39] <achilles> but it doesnt change dont know for what reason i still have the same old kmenu
[06:39] <ForgeAus> the problem may be with the config of kbfx? is there a .conf file for it?
[06:40] <achilles> yeah thats what teh problem is everything seems fine
[06:40] <achilles> hmmm lemme see
[06:41] <ForgeAus> I'm really not a good person to ask about this, I don't actually know, I'm just talking you through the kinda things I'd look at/for
[06:41] <achilles> ahh ok
[06:41] <achilles> no worries mate
[06:41] <ForgeAus> btw I had a similar issue I dont' think my kbfx installed correctly
[06:42] <ForgeAus> because it didn't chagne the kmenu at all
[06:42] <ForgeAus> I don't think I even have it this time...
[06:43] <ForgeAus> achilles it isn't as simple as adding it as an applet is it?
[06:43] <achilles> yeah
[06:43] <achilles> its doesnt even change a bit
[06:43] <ForgeAus> (ie in the kicker panel right click and check if kbfx has an applet?)
[06:43] <ForgeAus> like baghira does
[06:43] <ForgeAus> that might be why because your still using kmenu instead of kbfx ???
[06:44] <binks_> !nfs
[06:44] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[06:44] <ForgeAus> (I didn't know about applets like that when I tried kbfx)
[06:44] <Taladan> !kbfx
[06:44] <achilles> lol
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbfx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <achilles> ok
[06:44] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: i cannot find any fitting package
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, through adept, hmm
[06:45] <rotaticus> ack adept
[06:45] <ForgeAus> achilles does it show up? when you go add applet?
[06:45] <ForgeAus> is there a kbfx one?
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, do you have universe and multiverse enabled in your sources.list?
[06:45] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: but i cannot find a 3rd party button
[06:45] <achilles> yes ForgeAus it does
[06:45] <achilles> should i add it
[06:45] <achilles> lol
[06:46] <ForgeAus> yes
[06:46] <ForgeAus> that will be it
[06:46] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: yes i have enabled the disabled sources
[06:46] <ForgeAus> you don't need to use your kmenu one if you use kbfx so you can optionally remove the kmenu one
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, what version of kubuntu are you on?
[06:46] <achilles> fuck
[06:46] <rotaticus> and i added som myself from the wiki
[06:46] <ForgeAus> and use the kbfx one instead
[06:46] <achilles> that was retarded
[06:46] <achilles> :(
[06:46] <ForgeAus> yeah its not very user-friendly
[06:46] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: 6.10
[06:46] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't have known to do that normally
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, open up adept, tell me what you see
[06:47] <rotaticus> the search filter
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, ok, just search Ubuntu
[06:48] <mikey> how to check if samba is running at startup?
[06:48] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: ok much stuff ... nothing including restricted
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, is any suite selected next to the search box (the list box)?
[06:49] <ForgeAus> well at least now I know how to use kbfx for myself :)
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus: ok, never mind
[06:50] <rotaticus> ???
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, open up a terminal, we'll do this the old fashioned way
[06:50] <rotaticus> YES thats the way i like it :)
[06:50] <mikey> hitmanwilly: thx for all your help yesterday..your solution worked in fixing my xorg
[06:50] <Taladan> okay...I've gotta ask...wtf is kbfx
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> mikey: np
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:52] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: cannot find package
[06:52] <rotaticus> where must i add universe?
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, you SURE you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[06:52] <rotaticus> just to be sure
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus open up /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <rotaticus> adept -> manage repos -> enable disabled ones ... yes i've done that
[06:53] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, just double check your sources.list
[06:53] <mikey> How do I restart Samba?  This don't work:  sudo /etc/init.d/smb restart
[06:54] <ForgeAus> mikey interesting, um can you start/stop the service in control-center?
[06:54] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: many lines includin universe multiverse and restricted
[06:54] <ForgeAus> erm sorry system settings
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus: uncomment anything that's got a deb in front of it
[06:54] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: done
[06:54] <Taladan> mikey: well, what error message is it giving you when you try that?
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, ok, save that and try apt-get again
[06:55] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: nothing changed ...
[06:55] <mikey> command not found
[06:55] <Taladan> *nods*
[06:55] <ForgeAus> I'm sure there is an applet in kubuntu's control panel (that it calls system settings on the kmenu) for that
[06:55] <Taladan> didn't think smb was in init.d
[06:55] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: i also didnt change the file ....
[06:55] <solifugus> How can I install a .deb package I downloaded?  (in this case, Skype)
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> hmmm...
[06:55] <ForgeAus> most of them are the same as kcontrol applets
[06:55] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: no # infront of deb ode deb-src lines
[06:56] <ForgeAus> solifungus mostly just double click it
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> that's weird
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus: could you post your sources.list?
[06:56] <rotaticus> yes sec plz
[06:56] <binks_> is anyone converse with nfs  i need to create a shared folder
[06:57] <ForgeAus> sorry binks
[06:57] <solifugus> ForgeAus: Clicking on it, opens it as a package but doesn't offer any installation option..
[06:57] <ForgeAus> I've heard of it but I havn't yet successfully used nfs myself yet
[06:57] <binks_> ForgeAus: cheers anyhow
[06:57] <ForgeAus> opens it as a package? what do you mean by that?
[06:58] <ForgeAus> its like an alternate to samba (network file system) tahts about all I know about NFS
[06:58] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15411/
[06:58] <f0gles> any ladies in here
[06:58] <Taladan> solifugus: try right click -> kubuntu package menu -> install
[06:58] <ForgeAus> solifungus, in conqueror right click it, there should be an option to install it there
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, yeah, that looks right, this is weird
[06:59] <rotaticus> thats why im askin here :)
[06:59] <f0gles> any ladies in here
[06:59] <Taladan> ForgeAus: NFS allows you to mount/share directories and directory trees across the network. Samba is more for Windows/Linux shares
[07:00] <sobber> omgg
[07:00] <sobber> z
[07:00] <ForgeAus> yeah Samba is Windows' network neigbourhood
[07:00] <rotaticus> i'd REALLY like playing mp3 .... anyone sugestions? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15411/
[07:00] <ForgeAus> Linux just calls it by the name Samba in Windows itself the name samba seems mostly transparent
[07:00] <ForgeAus> I've never noticed it in the gui anywhere anyhow
[07:00] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, you could try going onto the ubuntu site, searching the repos, and downloading/installing it through dpkg
[07:01] <f0gles> zzzzz
[07:01] <sobber> rotatico why don't you open an mp3 file through amarok and it will intruduce you to installing the required stuff
[07:01] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: ok i"ll try that for now
[07:01] <Taladan> ForgeAus: Yeah, you have to dig to see the SMB protocol in windows.  Just like any other protocol that's not patented my MS
[07:02] <Bennity> what is with this kai fellow and his many collisions?
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> sobber, that doesn't always work
[07:02] <sobber> why?
[07:02] <ForgeAus> really? smb isn't patented by M$? wow I would have guessed it was
[07:02] <sobber> always wokrs fine with me hihi
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> sobber, it never has for me
[07:02] <ForgeAus> thats kinda strange
[07:02] <sobber> well that's lame then
[07:02] <ForgeAus> anyway at last resort if you can't get nfs working theres always ftp
[07:03] <Taladan> ForgeAus: I honestly don't know if it is or not.  Probably like their Active Directory..which is a screwed up version of LDAP
[07:03] <sobber> good that ubuntu are developing 2 different verions of ubuntu now
[07:03] <sobber> one with mp3 support out of the box and one with non
[07:03] <ForgeAus> LDAP is the protocol AD uses
[07:03] <Taladan> ForgeAus: if you're working across your local network and have sshd running on your machines, you can always sftp into them
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I'll take your word for it
[07:04] <Taladan> ForgeAus: Yes, but MS twisted it.  Try to get AD to work successfully with non-MS boxes and you're asking for a heartbreak ;)
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I don't do much of the secure protocols
[07:04] <rotaticus> hitmanWilly: is ubuntu-restricted-extras   2.2 the correct version? omg it looks like source
[07:04] <ForgeAus> what you can't log a linux box into a domain?
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, it won't be source, its all proprietary stuff
[07:05] <ForgeAus> and browse the active directory?
[07:05] <Taladan> ForgeAus: Linux plays well with everyone....windows doesn't.
[07:05] <ForgeAus> Taladan I know that
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, if its not, ubuntu should update it
[07:05] <hitmanWilly> maybe
[07:06] <rotaticus> lol kk thx
[07:06] <ForgeAus> Apple doesn't play nice with everyone either (although most of it probably does now due to the Darwin core)
[07:06] <ForgeAus> they are utlra-protective of their "aqua" interface tho
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> rotaticus, just if you do it this way, stand by for dependency hell
[07:07] <Pollywog> what is Darwin?
[07:07] <Arwen> Pollywog, the proprietary parts of OS X
[07:07] <Taladan> Perfect example of Windows not playing well, was reading /. a bit ago, an article about how Windows is going to stop letting distributors get OEM XP to put on computers by the end of the year.  They don't even play well with their own company...talk about 'freedom of choice' Thanks MS.
[07:07] <Pollywog> oic
[07:07] <jame> hello
[07:07] <jame> recommend me some good virtual machine app
[07:07] <Arwen> Pollywog, oh wait, sorry, it's the F/OSS part of OS X :-((
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> MS: where do you want to get screwed today
[07:08] <Pollywog> oh  :)
[07:08] <Pollywog> that makes more sense
[07:08] <Taladan> jame - vmware works well
[07:09] <Pollywog> I wonder if it's because MS wants ppl to get Vista
[07:09] <jame> taladan - ok, Ill try that
[07:09] <Taladan> Pollywog: Yes, that's exactly why.
[07:09] <Pollywog> btw does Parallels run on kubuntu?  I think I had trouble getting it to run on Etch a few months ago
[07:10] <Pollywog> and someone told me Parallels will support games soon
[07:10] <Pollywog> Windows games
[07:10] <ForgeAus> parallels works on linux? really?
[07:10] <Taladan> They've spent how many years and how many millions of dollars developing it and advertising it?  They want to try and recoup their expenses.  Might as well have called it Microsoft" Vista Bob"
[07:10] <Taladan> Cedega also supports games
[07:10] <Arwen> Wine supports games too....
[07:10] <Pollywog> yes but not the games I play
[07:10] <ForgeAus> vmware or virtual box are the 2 virtualizaers I recommend for linux
[07:11] <Taladan> Pollywog: have you tried the newest release?  Cedega 6.0....supposed to support a whole bunch of new games
[07:11] <Arwen> Pollywog, if you're gonna play games, don't try it in virtualization, that'll get you 1 fps...
[07:11] <ForgeAus> currently VirtualBox has problems with BSD-based distros but its nice and small and simple... (compared to the vmware server)
[07:11] <Pollywog> I play an old game called Star Trek Elite Force II and it played under Cedega for a time but not anymore
[07:11] <tux> hi all
[07:11] <ForgeAus> vmware PLAYER is tiny but not very configurable...
[07:12] <Arwen> but yeah, cedega 6.0 is supposed to be better, and wine 0.9.3x has acceptable d3d...
[07:12] <Taladan> Then, I'm not much of a gamer...though I do love a rousing game of FreeCiv every now and then :">
[07:12] <tux> i just found out again that linux rules
[07:12] <ForgeAus> of course you can use easyvmx.com (or is it .org?) to do most of the server stuff anyway...
[07:12] <tux> XMMS can create and imidiately play all the files from my ipod
[07:12] <ForgeAus> tux in what way?
[07:12] <Taladan> tux - you had a doubt? :P
[07:12] <Taladan> tux - Amarok probably can as well...they're pretty versatile programs
[07:13] <tux> Taladan: eh no, at the moment, linux is pwning every windows feature i need ATM
[07:13] <tux> but can Amarok add files to a ipod?
[07:13] <ForgeAus> well with samba and wine Linux does nicely...
[07:13] <Pollywog> I have only had my iPod for a year and I already have trouble with it
[07:13] <Arwen> tux, supposedly
[07:13] <Pollywog> I did not drop it
[07:13] <Arwen> btw, iPods suck...
[07:13] <ForgeAus> not everything works under it but much does, for some people its enough
[07:13] <tux> Pollywog: battery trouble?
[07:13] <solifugus> I tried to install vmware and it complained that inetd or xinetd are not installed.. should I just install one?
[07:14] <Pollywog> no, drive trouble
[07:14] <ForgeAus> my iriver sux worse than an ipod
[07:14] <ForgeAus> solifungus yes
[07:14] <tux> hm strange Pollywog, my battery is half dead but it works
[07:14] <Pollywog> I have to restart it often when I start to play it, then it's okay
[07:14] <f0gles> u guys r nerds ftw
[07:14] <ForgeAus> xinetd I recommend installing
[07:14] <Pollywog> what's a nerd?
[07:14] <ForgeAus> f0gles, thanx for the compliment...
[07:15] <Taladan> tux - probably...I don't know.  I bought a Creative Zen Vision M 60 gb player.  It handles that pretty well, and that runs off the MTP that microsoft developed.
[07:15] <f0gles> do u guys like meet girls on myspace and meet
[07:16] <Taladan> !ot|f0gls
[07:16] <ubotu> f0gls: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:16] <Arwen> f0gles, die
[07:16] <Pollywog> f0gles: no I do not want to be a subject in the next Dateline
[07:16] <ForgeAus> lol pollywog
[07:16] <f0gles> STFU
[07:16] <f0gles> You're a jew
[07:16] <Taladan> !ot|f0gles
[07:16] <ubotu> f0gles: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:16] <ForgeAus> f0gles watch it
[07:16] <Arwen> anyway, any media player that doesn't play FLAC, Vorbis, and AAC sucks beyond sucking :-\
[07:17] <tux> :p
[07:17] <tux> and vlcplayer plays every video file
[07:17] <ForgeAus> lol Arwen
[07:17] <ForgeAus> yup vlc rox
[07:17] <tux> including my big CSI collection :D
[07:17] <Arwen> tux, but it doesn't do assa subtitles :-\
[07:17] <ForgeAus> but you can get that for almost every operating system these days
[07:17] <Arwen> subtitles... because I can't speak Japanese
[07:17] <f0gles> big nose BMW sport locker wearing eat a potatoe pancake
[07:17] <Taladan> Arwen: I tend to agree on general principals, but I haven't found a linux based MP3 player that's affordable yet.  Archos has one for around 500
[07:17] <Yorokobi> You should learn Arwen :)
[07:17] <Arwen> Yorokobi, lolz
[07:17] <ForgeAus> Yorokobi, you got time to teach me?
[07:17] <tux> i want everything open source :p
[07:18] <Arwen> Taladan, I suppose, but iPods have open firmware, so...
[07:18] <ForgeAus> I'm quite interested in japanese but I know so little about it
[07:18] <Yorokobi> haha, not really. I'll be taking Latin in the fall.
[07:18] <ForgeAus> except what I learnt from Street Fighter II :)
[07:18] <Arwen> so much easier than Japanese
[07:18] <Yorokobi> hardly
[07:18] <Yorokobi> we are way ot now :)
[07:18] <Arwen> Yorokobi, Japanese looks like squigglies to me :-)
[07:18] <Taladan> Can one of the mods please kick f0gles, didn't think racially offensive, derogatory hate-speech was accepted in the community
[07:18] <ForgeAus> apparently French and Latin are similar in some ways ...
[07:18] <Arwen> who cares? there's no questions being asked
[07:19] <ForgeAus> Taladan not sure if anyone who can do so is active right now
[07:19] <tux> Creedence clearwater revival rules
[07:19] <Yorokobi> Arwen: Japanese has 4 verb tenses; there are what, 10+ for the Romance languages?
[07:19] <ForgeAus> in fact I don't even know who has ops privileges here
[07:19] <f0gles> any gay nerds in here?
[07:20] <Arwen> Yorokobi, Latin has 6 tenses :-\
[07:20] <tux> Yorokobi: do hidden talents count?
[07:20] <f0gles> oh nvm 389 of em
[07:20] <Yorokobi> ForgeAus: you can us !ops to summun an op
[07:20] <ForgeAus> Yorokobi I agree... latin and french have MANY tenses
[07:20] <Arwen> English has 3 tenses :-)
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[07:20] <jhutchins> !ops troll!
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ops troll! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <gnomefreak> f0gles: ?
[07:20] <ForgeAus> IC
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <jhutchins> !ops
[07:20] <tux> can everybody just STFU and be nice to each other?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> someone care to tell me why the !ops?
[07:20] <Riddell> jhutchins: yes?
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <ForgeAus> tux I wish
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:20] <Arwen> gnomefreak, f0gles was being racist
[07:20] <jhutchins> Riddell: Troll.
[07:20] <f0gles> !ops
[07:21] <Arwen> and a general tard
[07:21] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[07:21] <ForgeAus> thanx gf
[07:21] <ForgeAus> erm sorry bad abbrev (depending on how you interpret it)
[07:21] <Taladan> thank you for that
[07:21] <gnomefreak> jhutchins: next time try !ops | name of troll  :)
[07:21] <Pollywog> yes thanks
[07:21] <jhutchins> Ah, that makes sense.
[07:22] <tux> now, everyone beeing nice to each other again?
[07:22] <Pollywog> yes
[07:22] <tux> ok
[07:22] <ForgeAus> afaik
[07:22] <jhutchins> Thank you.  I can also use that to qualify ops, saves fear of crying wolf.
[07:22] <tux> then im gonna join the discussion again
[07:22] <ForgeAus> tux feel free
[07:22] <tux> join the discussion ForgeAus, not creating one :p
[07:22] <Taladan> Well, I don't care if people aren't being nice...but you can have a disagreement without devolving into racial slurs.
[07:23] <tux> racist suck
[07:23] <tux> *racists
[07:23] <ForgeAus> Taladin I think that was more just general trolling to provoke a reaction
[07:23] <Yorokobi> Arwen, on a brighter note, both Japanese and Latin place the verb at the end of the sentence (okay, Latin does so most of the time).
[07:23] <jhutchins> There are just some people who like to drop into channels and make trouble; that's what bans are for.
[07:23] <tux> jep
[07:23] <Arwen> Yorokobi, Latin has no word order :-)
[07:23] <gnomefreak> can we please try to stay on topic in here
[07:23] <tux> is that f0gles guy still in here?
[07:24] <Pollywog> no he is gone
[07:24] <gnomefreak> tux: no i banned him
[07:24] <ForgeAus> felis piscum edet
[07:24] <ForgeAus> (the cat ate the fish!)
[07:24] <tux> hm i wanted to give him one more advice
[07:24] <tux> apt-get a life
[07:24] <Yorokobi> Arwen: save for emphasis, as I understand it *shrug*
[07:24] <ForgeAus> thats about the only Latin I know)
[07:24] <fdoving> usually, ignoring the trolls helps :)
[07:24] <Arwen> Yorokobi, dunno, think it's more custom
[07:25] <mikey> hmm...can't seem to restart samba.  Seems the command should be /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb restart
[07:25] <tux> you know what i hate? knowing a language but if you meet someone speaking that language you dont know what to say
[07:25] <mikey> says no such file or directory
[07:25] <Pollywog> just /etc/init.d/samba restart
[07:25] <Yorokobi> mikey: /etc/init.d/samba restart
[07:25] <fdoving> mikey: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[07:25] <mikey> will try that. ty
[07:27] <mikey> worked. thx
[07:27] <bones> I have a question about adept updater...
[07:28] <bones> I ahve updates ready, however when I go to update it gives me an error
[07:30] <bones> anyone possibly able to help?
[07:30] <Yorokobi> what is the error, bones ?
[07:30] <bones> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[07:30] <Yorokobi> bones: have you tried running the update again?
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> bones: the new kernel was breaking peoples machines, so they took the link down
[07:31] <slestak> bones: ther emay be more info in /var/log/dpkg.log
[07:31] <slestak> maybe try tail /var/log/dpkg.log
[07:31] <hitmanWilly> bones: i bet if you run it through apt it'll show up as a 403 forbidden error
[07:32] <hitmanWilly> bones: had the same problem this morning
[07:33] <mikey> any good pdf editors available?
[07:33] <hitmanWilly> mikey, i think open office does pdf
[07:33] <Arwen> mikey, OO.o? PDF isn't meant to be edited..
[07:34] <mikey> well, sometimes it is nice.  I scan all docs as pdf and need to assemble them into larger files
[07:34] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: oh boy
[07:34] <czer323> Whatever happened to the Restricted Driver Manager for Kubuntu?
[07:34] <mikey> or print to a pdf file
[07:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:35] <bones> Hmm ok now using apt in consol?
[07:35] <slestak> mikey: one of the recent linux mags had an article on the subject.  probably linuxmagazine.
[07:35] <slestak> if you scan the images into pdf's, they probably just contain images, not the true text.
[07:36] <bill_k> slestak, unless you ocr it
[07:36] <bill_k> ocropus
[07:36] <bill_k>  :)
[07:37] <mikey> using acrobat, they go through an ocr
[07:37] <luis0934> hi all
[07:37] <slestak> ahh, ok.
[07:38] <bill_k> acrobat has ocr?
[07:38] <bill_k> mikey, now i gotta get acrobat, thx :)
[07:38] <Pollywog> was it Linux Magazine or Linux Pro?
[07:38] <mikey> np
[07:39] <mikey> be nice is adobe made a linux flavor
[07:39] <Pollywog> I did not know Acrobat still existed
[07:39] <Pollywog> I thought it was replaced by Adobe Reader
[07:39] <Arwen> mikey, yes, there's acroread for linux
[07:39] <mikey> kpdf works great for viewing, vert fast
[07:40] <RobDh> Hi - first time using IRC - quick question on latest update?
[07:41] <slestak> mikey: ive looked around, and i cant find that article.  ight have been linux format or the other uk mag i get sometimes
[07:41] <Tm_T> RobDh: yes?
[07:41] <Tm_T> !hi | RobDh
[07:41] <ubotu> RobDh: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:41] <Tm_T> :)
[07:42] <RobDh> Using Ubuntu64 with Kubuntu desktop and Nvidia graphics, latest .14 update will not boot.  Had to use .13 option in Grub, and change to nv driver instead of nvidia.  Anyone has this problem, got a fix?
[07:42] <bill_k> is there currently a good ocr on linux (Free) i know ocropus is in the works, but only takes tiff and is just started...
[07:42] <RobDh> Sorry 7.04 Feisty
[07:42] <mikey> slestak: thx for looking
[07:43] <Yorokobi> RobDh: purge .14 and stick with .13
[07:44] <fdoving> RobDh: it's a known issue, new kernels are compiling at this moment. stick with .13 for now.
[07:44] <Yorokobi> RobDh: you *are* talking about the 2.6.20 kernels?
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> RobDh, the new .14 kernel update is broken, and nvidia-glx is attached to the kernel updates
[07:45] <RobDh> hello?
[07:45] <Arwen> huh, works here :-\
[07:45] <Arwen> but I have ATI so...
[07:46] <ahlalo_elyon> I just installed/ran Guarddog, but now my internet connection doesn't work at all.  What can I do to enable all the things I need to have, but not leave myself exposed?
[07:46] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, id suggest getting rid of guarddog and using firestarter, but that's just me
[07:47] <ahlalo_elyon> hitmanWilly: What is the benefit of using fs over gd?
[07:47] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, ive found it works better on my box
[07:47] <Pollywog> I like Shorewall
[07:47] <Yorokobi> ditto, Pollywog
[07:48] <Pollywog> but it does not have a gui, so you might not like it
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, you really don't need guarddog unless you want extremely low  level control over your firewall
[07:48] <ahlalo_elyon> Well, I want control over my firewall (ie: I want to HAVE a firewall)... but I don't need to tweak every little thing about it.
[07:49] <Pollywog> I found firestarter difficult to understand even with the gui
[07:49] <Arwen> firestarter is too dumbed down imo...
[07:49] <slestak> mikey: here is the subject for the article, its in teh April 2007 Linux Magazine (uk, not us) LinuxUser: Cabaret Stage - At last, a PDF editor for Linux users.
[07:49] <Pollywog> I ended up blocking more than I wanted, with firestarter
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, then i would reccomend firestarter or possibly even lokkit
[07:49] <fdoving> fwbuilder is nice if you want it advanced.
[07:50] <Arwen> fdoving, is it gui or a bunch of scripts?
[07:50] <slestak> mikey: my copy is at home, so i dont have any recollection to the content
[07:50] <ahlalo_elyon> hmm... firestarter seemed to work wonderfully
[07:50] <fdoving> Arwen: very nice gui.
[07:50] <Pollywog> slestak: I think that is the same magazine known as Linux Pro in US
[07:50] <Pollywog> thanks for the info
[07:50] <ahlalo_elyon> I assume I can close firestarter without it shutting down the firewall, correct?
[07:50] <slestak> https://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/77
[07:50] <Arwen> fdoving, is it confusing?
[07:50] <Pollywog> I will have to go to Borders and buy it
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, yes, it actually starts at bootup
[07:51] <fdoving> Arwen: probably. http://www.fwbuilder.org/archives/cat_screenshots.html
[07:51] <slestak> Pollywog: well, with the app name, you can google for it
[07:52] <Arwen> fdoving, too advanced :-(
[07:52] <slestak> Pollywog: uggh, its java
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, it has a daemon that's always running
[07:52] <ahlalo_elyon> hitmanWilly: Gotcha... thank you.
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> np
[07:53] <Pollywog> I am not crazy about JAVA either
[07:53] <ahlalo_elyon> hitmanWilly: Now, when I installed Kubuntu, does it not configure a firewall automatically?  Or was I unprotected until just now?
[07:53] <Yorokobi> ahlalo_elyon: nothing worth blocking is open by default
[07:54] <ahlalo_elyon> Yorokobi: ok
[07:54] <slestak> anyone have any experience with the wy60 terminal emulation package?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> ahlalo_elyon, linux actually has a built in firewall called iptables, all these firewall programs do is just configure that
[07:57] <yacoob> Hi. If I want to upgrade to feisty on kubuntu, do I need update-manager anyway?
[07:57] <yacoob> (i mean, it's bringing gnome deps)
[07:57] <Arwen> !upgrade | yacoob
[07:57] <ubotu> yacoob: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:57] <Arwen> ...wrong one
[07:58] <hitmanWilly> !feisty
[07:58] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:58] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[07:58] <Arwen> yacoob, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades#head-549139fbb047688597aff82fdd14cb5e491e419e
[07:59] <yacoob> whoa.
[07:59] <yacoob> sounds patchy :)
[08:00] <yacoob> I understand this upgrader tarball will come on cd, once feisty is released?
[08:00] <Arwen> dunno, I have Ubuntu with KDE apps on top, so I just used update-manager
[08:04] <julian> hallo!
[08:05] <yacoob> *hrmph*
[08:05] <julian> Ich brauche Hilfe! bin neu hier
[08:05] <yacoob> not enough space on /var...
[08:05] <Pollywog> julian: #kubuntu-de ?
[08:06] <julian> kubuntu hab ich
[08:06] <julian> mein Bruder "ARDARANDIR" hat mir gesagt ich soll hier nachfragen
[08:06] <Pollywog> this channel is for support in English language, for German, try #kubuntu-de
[08:07] <Pollywog> !de
[08:07] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:09] <yacoob> dohhh! why does programs ignore LC_MESSAGES?!
[08:09] <awen> is there a dedicated channel for feisty (beta) or is this the right place?
[08:09] <fdoving> awen: #ubuntu+1 might be helpfull.. anything special?
[08:11] <awen> after updating the linux-headers from 2.6.20-14.22 to 2.6.20-14.23 the boot never finishes... not even when booting in recovery mode
[08:11] <awen> it stops somewhere in the early hardware-detection stages
[08:11] <hitmanWilly> awen: its a known issue and its being fixed as we speak
[08:11] <Arwen> awen, since when would linux-headers affect boot? headers = source code
[08:12] <hitmanWilly> awen: its an actual kernel update thats the problem
[08:13] <awen> Arwen: i meant linux-image
[08:13] <Arwen> hmm, well, downgrade?
[08:13] <awen> hitmanWilly: thanks for info... i'll just use the 2.6.20-13 until the fix is released
[08:13] <hitmanWilly> np
[08:14] <awen> no need to report if it's an known issue
[08:14] <hitmanWilly> awen: they've actually blocked the page for the download or i would've had the same problem
[08:15] <awen> hitmanWilly: okay... I downloaded it through adept about an hour ago
[08:16] <hitmanWilly> awen: really? last time i tried it spit out a 403 forbidden error
[08:16] <cpk1> !breakage
[08:16] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:16] <hitmanWilly> awen: see ubotu
[08:18] <Arwen> huh, breakage in the kernel? hmm, I upgraded too...
[08:18] <cpk1> dont restart
[08:18] <lombra> hi people
[08:18] <awen> i use the dk. mirror... not that fast to update i suppose
[08:19] <hermesreg> anybody can help me about the floppys??
[08:19] <hitmanWilly> awen: that's probably why it actually downloaded
[08:19] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, what about?
[08:20] <hermesreg> sorry I can not mount a floppy in kubuntu! How can I do?
[08:20] <Arwen> cpk1, well, I can still boot and all, so it seems not to affect me
[08:20] <hermesreg> I apologize my english is so bad!!
[08:20] <Arwen> to be sure, I better test out my ATA devices..
[08:21] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[08:21] <Arwen> well, my optical drives still work, so looks like my chipset isnt affected
[08:21] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, you may have to sudo that
[08:21] <Arwen> hermesreg, pmount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[08:22] <hermesreg> mount: debe especificar el tipo de sistema de ficheros!
[08:22] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, what Arwen said, forgot about pmount
[08:22] <Arwen> oh? pmount doesn't work on floppies?
[08:23] <hermesreg> sorry in english
[08:24] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, if you want, they probably have a channel in your native language
[08:24] <hermesreg> and how I connect to my native channel language??
[08:25] <hitmanWilly> hermesreg, what language do you speak?
[08:25] <Arwen> hermesreg, what language would that be?
[08:25] <hermesreg> spanish!
[08:25] <Arwen> #kubuntu-es I think
[08:25] <hitmanWilly> !es | hermesreg
[08:25] <elvis> estonia?
[08:25] <Arwen> !espanol | erikja
[08:25] <ubotu> hermesreg: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:25] <ubotu> erikja: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:25] <Arwen> oops
[08:25] <hitmanWilly> :)
[08:26] <hermesreg> y como me conecto a ese canal
[08:26] <NightBird> hm... so they announced what the name of 7.10 will be...
[08:26] <Dasnipa`> !es
[08:26] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:27] <Dasnipa`> erm sorry for repetitiveness
[08:31] <bailout> Who should I contact about whether it would be possible to get latest kmymoney packaged and into feisty? I know it is past the normal deadline for new stuff but it is just a 0.1 upgrade to the current version so I assume it wouldn't take that much work and wondered if it would be possible. 8.5 just missed edgy and 8.6 has just missed feidty. It is the best personal finance prog for linux and popular so it would be great to have the lat
[08:31] <bailout> feisty. Thanks
[08:33] <Black_Monkey> I'm trying to mount an external hard drive, and it gives an error saying "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient..." :/
[08:35] <Black_Monkey> oh, and I get the same trying to access the floppy drive :-S
[08:36] <Dasnipa`> Black5un, are you using sudo?
[08:37] <graft> anyone know how i can get tunepimp to fingerprint my .mp3 files in amarok?
[08:37] <Black_Monkey> if you mean me, no, just trying to access it normally in konqueror
[08:38] <Dasnipa`> Black5un, it is likely that youll need to use sudo to mount it...
[08:38] <Black_Monkey> but it worked fine before :/
[08:38] <Dasnipa`> oh...
[08:38] <Dasnipa`> well i dont know then
[08:38] <Dasnipa`> what did you change?
[08:39] <Black_Monkey> erm... a few things, I just installed the OS, so have made some changes...
[08:39] <Dasnipa`> Black5un, are you using feisty?
[08:39] <Black_Monkey> no, edgy
[08:40] <Dasnipa`> k, good... cuz that might have explained things
[08:40] <Dasnipa`> well hmm
[08:40] <graft> anyone? anyone? tunepimp working with amarok & mp3 files?
[08:40] <jhutchins> !info tunepimp
[08:40] <jame> "
[08:40] <jame> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[08:40] <jame> kernel?
[08:40] <ubotu> Package tunepimp does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[08:41] <graft> jame: /usr/include/linux, usually
[08:41] <jhutchins> jame: Have you installed them?
[08:41] <jame> IDK
[08:41] <angasule> !win32
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <angasule> !codecs
[08:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:41] <jhutchins> !build | jame
[08:41] <ubotu> jame: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:42] <graft> jame: dpkg -l | grep linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:42] <jame> graft - Ill try that
[08:43] <graft> jame: that just lets you know if it's installed or not
[08:43] <jame> graft - that is 1st step
[08:44] <ForgeAus> omg gutsy gibbon!
[08:44] <graft> gutsy gibbon?
[08:44] <ForgeAus> thats the next codename for *buntu after Feisty Fawn!
[08:44] <jhutchins> Actually, no reason not to do apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` which will install them if they're not there, but tell you if they are.
[08:44] <graft> troo, jhutchins
[08:45] <hitmanWilly> ok, question, anyone in here play quake4?
[08:45] <jhutchins> graft: You get the links about codecs?
[08:45] <graft> no...
[08:45] <graft> oh ah
[08:46] <graft> restricted formats... dunno if that helps me, but i'll check it out
[08:46] <jame> I didnt have them - thanks for help
[08:46] <jhutchins> graft: It should get mp3 working in amarok.
[08:46] <jhutchins> jame: Tale a look at that CompilingSoftware page too, it's a helpful start.
[08:47] <graft> jhutchins: mp3 playback is working, just not musicbrainz fingerprinting
[08:47] <jhutchins> Take even.
[08:47] <jame> jhutchins - I will since Im stuck again :D
[08:47] <jhutchins> graft: Hm.  Might ask about that in #amarok, they're pretty helpful.
[08:47] <jhutchins> jame: It's like peeling an onion, each step reveals the next problem.
[08:49] <jame> jhutchins - but I love onions ;)
[08:50] <jhutchins> Yep.  That's why most of us are here, we enjoy the process.
[08:50] <yacoob> Great. Feisty upgrader tells me I lack 10 MB of space in /boot
[08:51] <yacoob> how on earth does it expect me to move all my partitions just in order to make him happy?
[08:52] <graft> yacoob: why don't you get rid of some of your old kernel/initrd images?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> 10 meg isn't so bad can you temporarily burn something to a cd?
[08:53] <ForgeAus> or compress a heap of stuff temporarily?
[08:53] <yacoob> graft, it's 50 MB separate partition without any cruft, and just single kernel image
[08:53] <yacoob> (I've adjusted size in python script)
[08:53] <graft> yacoob: um... so what's it complaining about?
[08:53] <mikey> anybody here use vlc?
[08:53] <yacoob> graft, apparently it nees 50 MB *free*
[08:53] <hitmanWilly> mikey: yeah, what's up?
[08:53] <yacoob> "hey, give me 10 MB more!"
[08:54] <mikey> just wondering if is't stable
[08:54] <graft> hm... seems unlikely it would use that much
[08:54] <mikey> was going to download it
[08:54] <graft> vlc is probably one of the most-used apps
[08:54] <graft> i'd say it's stable
[08:54] <hitmanWilly> mikey, if something won't play in anything else, try vlc, it'll usually work
[08:54] <mikey> yea, I use it in windows
[08:54] <jame> graft - you said /usr/linux/include but config says its /usr/src/linux/include as default
[08:56] <jame> I installed them but config says that file doesnt excist
[08:57] <graft> jame: yeah my mistake, it ought to be in /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:57] <graft> jame: but you can probably leave it blank for some configure script and it'll guess correctly
[08:58] <jame> graft - hitting enter (leaving blank) dont work
[08:58] <jhutchins> wtf would it need 50MB for?  The kernel images are less than 2.
[08:58] <jame> it wont guess
[08:58] <jame> keeps asking again
[08:58] <graft> jame: what are you configuring, here?
[08:59] <graft> jhutchins: maybe space for building initrd images?
[08:59] <jhutchins> My initrd's are <400k.
[08:59] <graft> mine are liek 7 megs
[08:59] <jame> restarted the script and it seems to work now
[09:00] <jame> graft - vmware
[09:01] <jhutchins> graft: Yeah, my kubuntu initrd's are 6.8M.  Interesting that Mandriva's are so much smaller.
[09:04] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: ubuntu probably includes more stuff in it
[09:04] <PhinnFort> :D
[09:05] <ssaa> hello . i need some help please
[09:05] <ssaa> i have no sound coming out my laptop speakers
[09:07] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: here's a list of what's in my initrd: http://rafb.net/p/oVszFK68.html
[09:09] <jhutchins> Wow.  /lib/kitchensink!
[09:09] <andrian> Hi all have a bit of a problem: apt-get upgrade --fix-missing got Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_amd64.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.8 80] 
[09:09] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: A custom initrd would probably knock quite a bit off your boot time.
[09:09] <Ricky> Where can I get the KDE WIreless Network Info applet? It is not in my list of applets, even after installing Kicker-Applets...
[09:09] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: yeah, I'm currently rolling my own kernel
[09:10] <PhinnFort> Ricky: i don't think it's an applet
[09:10] <mikey> any way to directly play .bin .que video files?
[09:10] <graft> PhinnFort: jesus...  how big is your image, 100M?
[09:10] <PhinnFort> !info knetworkmanager | Ricky
[09:10] <ubotu> ricky: knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[09:10] <PhinnFort> graft: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.7M 2007-04-07 18:18 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-13-lowlatency
[09:10] <PhinnFort> graft: gzip isn't that bad;)
[09:11] <jhutchins> Mandriva is probably smarter and only puts in what the system actually uses.
[09:11] <brian_> hey y'all
[09:11] <awen> andrian: be lucky for that. there is a problem with the update so they blocked it
[09:11] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: or ubuntu is more robust, and can boot even if root is b0rked;)
[09:11] <Ricky> PhinnFort: does that application run in the system tray and automatically find my networks and connect to them, similar to the Windows "Wireless Zero Config" service?
[09:12] <PhinnFort> Ricky: yes
[09:12] <Ricky> Great! Thanks!
[09:12] <PhinnFort> Ricky: that's exactly what it does;)
[09:12] <graft> Ricky: be advised networkmanager is a buggy piece of crap
[09:12] <andrian> awen: hm ok thanks .... wi
[09:12] <PhinnFort> graft: how so?
[09:12] <graft> and may not work as advertised
[09:12] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: How do you get to run in the system tray?
[09:12] <Ricky> graft: not networkmanager... Knetworkmanager
[09:12] <billytwowilly> So, I absolutely have to get a wireless adaptor for my desktop. Any recomendations of one to avoid headaches? Are the usb ones any good?
[09:12] <andrian> awen: will try not to turni it off just in case
[09:12] <graft> Ricky: knetworkmanager is a front-end for networkmanager
[09:12] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: i... run it
[09:12] <PhinnFort> billytwowilly: there's a list somewhere
[09:12] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Must be a different version on teh CD.
[09:13] <Ricky> graft: then suggest an alternative that does the same thing better?
[09:13] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: My laptop hard drive is dead, so that's all I can run.
[09:13] <billytwowilly> PhinnFort: got a link?
[09:13] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: I'm on feisty, btw
[09:13] <graft> Ricky: there isn't one, really... for ease-of-use, networkmanager is your best bet...
[09:13] <jhutchins> Ah, prpbaby mch differet.
[09:13] <graft> Ricky: for reliability i'd go with sudo ifconfig <whatever>
[09:14] <graft> Ricky: but, that's obviously a pain in the iiii
[09:14] <Ricky> yeah.
[09:14] <alexicon> heya, how do you get sound output to go mono?
[09:14] <PhinnFort> billytwowilly: google is your friend;)
[09:14] <jhutchins> l8r.
[09:14] <soulrider> !installing
[09:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:14] <PhinnFort> billytwowilly: try to find something supported by madwifi, afaik that's some of the best drivers available
[09:14] <soulrider> !software
[09:14] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[09:15] <awen> Ricky: try knetworkmanager out... if it doesn't work in some cases use wlassistant for the wireless networks
[09:16] <Ricky> awen: Thanks, and PhinnFort already recommended it :)
[09:16] <PhinnFort> ;)
[09:16] <cheeseboy> can someone help me with vmware?
[09:16] <Ricky> Unfortunately my system is upgrading 142 packages atm so I can't get the knetworkmanager yet...
[09:16] <awen> cheeseboy: what's the problem?
[09:17] <PhinnFort> !vmware | cheeseboy
[09:17] <ubotu> cheeseboy: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[09:17] <cheeseboy> im trying to switch from player to server
[09:17] <cheeseboy> but its still says is installed
[09:17] <cheeseboy> even tho i sudo dpkg -P vmware-player
[09:18] <Ricky> By the way, is VMware the best virtualization software on Linux? One of the things on my list of things to do is to get a virtual PC software, so can someone recommend the best one? (My computer does support hardware virtualization)
[09:19] <cheeseboy> Ricky i think vmware is easiest to use
[09:19] <awen> cheeseboy: don't you just install the vmware-server ... don't think the player breaks anything
[09:20] <cheeseboy> you can olty have one or the other
[09:20] <cheeseboy> only*
[09:20] <PhinnFort> !qemu | Ricky
[09:20] <ubotu> Ricky: qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[09:20] <PhinnFort> !kqemu
[09:20] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[09:21] <Ricky> Thanks, I'll check it out
[09:21] <PhinnFort> !kvm
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <Ricky> keyboard-video-mouse switch :)
[09:22] <Ricky> Is Qemu/KQemu fully compatible with hardware virtualization? Because I found, in Windows XP, that it makes a HUGE difference so I definitely want something that supports it and I already know VMware does
[09:22] <PhinnFort> Ricky: yeah, also look into KVM
[09:22] <PhinnFort> Ricky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine
[09:23] <awen> cheeseboy: sorry, have never used the player, so no good clues
[09:24] <Ricky> Hmm, "Work is being made to utilize more of the virtualization technology available in the latest Intel and AMD CPUs." - that is obviously referring to hardware virtualization as in my Core 2 Duo...
[09:26] <awen> Ricky: vmware runs quite reasonable on my pc without virtualisation support, so that could be worth a try
[09:27] <PhinnFort> !virtualbox
[09:27] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[09:28] <PhinnFort> !xen
[09:28] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:29] <PhinnFort> enough virtualization for ya?
[09:29] <Ricky> Yeah :)
[09:29] <PhinnFort> :P
[09:30] <Ricky> Xen looks the best because its wikipedia article does indeed talk about hardware virtualization, exactly what I need. But, it doesn't say one way or another whether it runs Windows XP...
[09:30] <PhinnFort> Ricky: all the programs I've mentioned runs Windows XP
[09:30] <Ricky> Do they all run Vista too?
[09:30] <PhinnFort> Ricky: probably
[09:30] <Ricky> I'm still thinking about which one I want...
[09:30] <ForgeAus> for virtualization I currently Recommend VMware Server...
[09:31] <PhinnFort> i recommend KVM with QEMU
[09:31] <Ricky> Is VMware free? I noticed you were installing it by a package, but I thought VMware cost money
[09:31] <ForgeAus> VirtualBox I'm expecting to exceed that...
[09:31] <PhinnFort> Ricky: it is indeed proprietary
[09:31] <Ricky> but is it free
[09:31] <duott> hi. anyone knows how to restore icq contacts? i've just reinstalled the system and they're gone 0_o
[09:31] <PhinnFort> Ricky: the player is gratis
[09:31] <ForgeAus> KVM I don't know much about yet but PhinnFort is probably right if you have feisty...
[09:31] <ForgeAus> no
[09:31] <PhinnFort> ForgeAus: no what?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> VMware Workstation and GS and stuff you need to pay for
[09:32] <Ricky> I have 6.10, I believe it's called Edgy... (can't keep the names straight :) )
[09:32] <ForgeAus> but the Player and Server you don't
[09:32] <ForgeAus> (for the server it has registration but its free)
[09:32] <awen> you can actually install the vmware server for free too
[09:32] <PhinnFort> ah
[09:32] <PhinnFort> Ricky: you can still use KQemu with Qemu
[09:32] <PhinnFort> or VirtualBox
[09:32] <awen> does anybody know if rdesktop sometimes save some license-files locally?
[09:32] <ForgeAus> the questions they ask to send you a code are rediculous
[09:32] <Ricky> But the question is, do they support hardware virtualization
[09:32] <ForgeAus> most didn't apply to my case
[09:32] <PhinnFort> Ricky: yes
[09:33] <cheeseboy> A previous installation of VMware software has been detected.
[09:33] <cheeseboy> Failure
[09:33] <cheeseboy> Execution aborted.
[09:33] <Ricky> Oh, in that case, I'll try them then
[09:33] <cheeseboy> >:{
[09:33] <PhinnFort> Ricky: they are "virtual machines", they emulate hardware
[09:33] <PhinnFort> ;)
[09:33] <ForgeAus> cheese then configure it
[09:33] <Ricky> PhinnFort: No, I mean... "Virtualization Technology" in the latest Intel and AMD chips, such as the Intel Core 2 Duo
[09:33] <ForgeAus> the one thats already there
[09:33] <PhinnFort> Ricky: some do, like VirtualBox
[09:33] <PhinnFort> look on wikipedia;)
[09:34] <ForgeAus> ahh I dunno much about that it shows up as a processor code in the CPU string
[09:34] <Ricky> Ahh, no... "Note 1: KQEMU does not currently use the hardware virtualization features of newer x86 CPUs. We expect that the limitations would be different in that case."
[09:34] <PhinnFort> "KVM uses a modified QEMU program as a front-end. Work is being made to utilize more of the virtualization technology available in the latest Intel and AMD CPUs. It has been benchmarked against Xen (using hardware virtualization and not paravirtualization) and, on some workloads, has been proven to be a faster solution.[2] "
[09:34] <awen> cheeseboy: did you install the player from a package?
[09:34] <PhinnFort> Ricky: looks like they partly support it
[09:34] <Ricky> Now what about Parallels? I've heard great things about it too
[09:34] <PhinnFort> "VirtualBox supports Intel's hardware virtualization VT-x and has experimental support for AMD's AMD-V, but barely uses either of them in practice."
[09:34] <Ricky> But, at least the windows version doesn't have hardware virtualization...
[09:35] <cheeseboy> awen from apt
[09:35] <ForgeAus> I don't know anything about Parallels until now I thought it was for Mac only
[09:35] <jame> it works! now I need serial for it :-p
[09:35] <PhinnFort> "Parallels Workstation's hypervisor also supports hardware virtualization technologies like Intel Virtualization Technology ("VT") and AMD SVM (Secure Virtual Machine)."
[09:35] <Ricky> ForgeAus: It has a Windows version too
[09:35] <Ricky> PhinnFort: ack, weird.
[09:35] <PhinnFort> Ricky: if they use it, is another thing entirely
[09:35] <Ricky> Perhaps it has been updated since I last used it
[09:35] <PhinnFort> Ricky: they can support it, but not use it, like VirtualBox
[09:36] <awen> cheeseboy: and you removet it using apt?
[09:36] <cheeseboy> yes
[09:36] <cheeseboy> and i tried purgeing it
[09:36] <Ricky> I don't get it, how does VirtualBox support it but not use it.
[09:36] <Ricky> That doesn't make sense
[09:37] <awen> try doing a reinstall and a purge
[09:37] <Ricky> Anyway I guess I'll just try Qemu and KQemu
[09:37] <Ricky> Thanks for the help and I have to go now...
[09:37] <cheeseboy> awen i did
[09:37] <PhinnFort> Ricky: you should switch to KVM when feisty comes
[09:37] <PhinnFort> Ricky: good luck
[09:37] <Ricky> OK, I'll remember that. Bye! :)
[09:38] <awen> cheeseboy: does locate vmware reveal something about whats missing to be removed
[09:38] <MYSELF_> hi all
[09:40] <MYSELF_> sorry guys I have a very crazy problem I can't do any things in the apt like for instance if I wont update the system (apt-get update) doesn't work but I don't know why I just installed right now kubuntu, any help ??
[09:40] <kendrick> hey there, last i checked, i was getting a Forbidden error when Adept was trying to download some Linux kernel packages for Feisty beta
[09:40] <kendrick> (a few hours ago; trying again right now)
[09:41] <awen> MYSELF_: did you remember to use sudo?
[09:41] <MYSELF_> I did apt get from root
[09:42] <awen> kendrick: they blocked them, i was told...
[09:42] <MYSELF_> root@myself-desktop:/media# apt-get update
[09:42] <MYSELF_> Err http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security Release.gpg
[09:43] <awen> kendrick: i was unlucky to get them... couldn't even boot in recovery mode using them
[09:43] <MYSELF_> so awen I don't know I'm in network by dhcp
[09:44] <MYSELF_> I had a problem with debian and netbsd before
[09:44] <awen> MYSELF_: but does all the fetches fail or only that one
[09:45] <MYSELF_> if I ping google is ok  no problem I can see the web page the only problem that I have is to download
[09:45] <MYSELF_> by apt
[09:45] <MYSELF_> so I can't do any update or download stuff
[09:46] <awen> apt-get should fetch a number of repositories... do they all fail?
[09:47] <MYSELF_> yes  I would like print here the error but comes in my language (italian)
[09:47] <MYSELF_> I gonna check
[09:48] <maruko> ci sono italiani?
[09:48] <maruko> ho un vuoto di memoria, per favore datemi una mano
[09:49] <Yorokobi> !it | maruko
[09:49] <ubotu> maruko: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:49] <maruko> ok
[09:51] <maruko> ciao a tutti
[09:57] <Jaxster> is there any way to make a dvd image of my entire system so I can move it to another hard drive? like you can with Norton Ghost for XP?
[10:00] <kendrick> awen: oh, cool, ok thx :)
[10:03] <rafaguap> Hi all... I was wondering if feisty was already stable to be installed... I don't want to meet time-consuming problems to resolve, anyway!
[10:04] <PhinnFort> yes
[10:05] <PhinnFort> !worksforme | rafaguap
[10:05] <ubotu> rafaguap: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:05] <PhinnFort> rafaguap: it works for me
[10:05] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:06] <rafaguap> thanks!
[10:06] <PhinnFort> rafaguap: it should be finished soon, and I haven't had any serious breakage in a while now
[10:08] <kendrick> my breakage is same as i had on edgy
[10:08] <kendrick> Xorg takes up 100% cpu sometimes; may be karamba related
[10:08] <kendrick> amarok crashes and dies, but seems to be due to an SMB shared folder (where my music is) that's acting up :(  (off a dapper server)
[10:10] <PhinnFort> kendrick: beryl?
[10:10] <kendrick> nar
[10:10] <kendrick> i played with beryl for a while, but i'm back to plain Kwin
[10:10] <kendrick> no composite fanciness
[10:10] <PhinnFort> it just gets in the way here;)
[10:11] <kendrick> but i'll unlock my screensaver and the CPU stats superkaramba on my desktop shows 100%
[10:11] <kendrick> clicks and typing usually don't work, though running apps seem to keep going
[10:11] <PhinnFort> kendrick: and if you kill superkaramba?
[10:11] <kendrick> usually /etc/init.d/kdm restart does not help
[10:11] <kendrick> tried that today when it happened again, still ended up doing an Alt+SysRQ+K to kill X
[10:12] <PhinnFort> it wouldn't die, or it didn't stop the cpu usage?
[10:12] <kendrick> then, my wife happened to have a 2nd X session up at the time, and i couldn't get a new session to start
[10:12] <PhinnFort> heh
[10:12] <kendrick> so i saved her work and completely killed X (Ctrl+Alt+BkSp)
[10:12] <kendrick> it died, but my X screen, when i came back from VT1, was all un-refreshed
[10:12] <kendrick> lots of black where apps should have been redrawing themselves :)
[10:12] <jhutchins_wk> kendrick: Sounds like driver issues.
[10:12] <kendrick> could be
[10:12] <kendrick> stupid Nvidia :(
[10:12] <kendrick> why did i buy that card?
[10:13] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, yeah, and ATI is going all DRM now.
[10:13] <PhinnFort> because ATi has worse linux support?
[10:13] <jhutchins_wk> Intell Baby!
[10:13] <fdoving> luckily my ati is good with the opensource ati driver.
[10:13] <PhinnFort> yeah;)
[10:13] <PhinnFort> mine too, thank $DEITY
[10:13] <jhutchins_wk> Well, so's mine, but it's a dinosaur.
[10:14] <PhinnFort> although it isn't too snappy with beryl
[10:14] <PhinnFort> i would go plain compiz, if it didn't need gnome
[10:14] <PhinnFort> jhutchins_wk: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 NJ [Radeon 9800 XT] 
[10:14] <PhinnFort> yours?
[10:14] <kendrick> thx folks
[10:15] <PhinnFort> have fun
[10:15] <jhutchins_wk> PhinnFort: Very similar.
[10:15] <Yorokobi> <-- 9700 Pro 128
[10:16] <jhutchins_wk> PhinnFort: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] 
[10:17] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa...  compiz *requires* gnome?
[10:17] <jhutchins_wk> That's the home workstation, this one's a Rage XL AGP 2X (rev 27)
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> Daisuke_Ido: It's default is gnome.
[10:18] <rafaguap> By the way, an old problem I never resolved (I'm still newbie): in order to activate my wireless card, I need "acpi=force" to kernel... but that disables the connexion with my usb disks!
[10:18] <PhinnFort> Daisuke_Ido: when I wanted to install compiz-kde it wanted to pull in half of gnome
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> Daisuke_Ido: I believe that's one reason people are having trouble on kubuntu and other kde-based installs.  It supposedly can run KDE, but not as well.
[10:18] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[10:18] <Daisuke_Ido> let's hope "CC" fixes that.
[10:18] <PhinnFort> ?
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> Mandriva will run Metisse with KDE, but it you have less than a 19" monitor I wouldnt' receommend it.
[10:19] <lettuce_> Kubuntu runs really slow whebn I'm on the web, is there any reason for that?
[10:19] <Daisuke_Ido> PhinnFort: "Compositing Community", the temporary name for the remerged compiz/beryl
[10:19] <PhinnFort|IRC> Daisuke_Ido: ah, ok
[10:19] <jhutchins_wk> lettuce_: You have the default IPV6 enabled still.
[10:19] <jhutchins_wk> !ipv6 | lettuce_
[10:19] <Kenshiro1981> hi all
[10:19] <ubotu> lettuce_: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[10:20] <lettuce_> ok
[10:20] <PhinnFort> !hi | Kenshiro1981
[10:20] <ubotu> Kenshiro1981: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, i should look at that, wonder if it will speed things up for me...
[10:20] <jhutchins_wk> Isn't it nice when there's an answer?
[10:20] <Yorokobi> jhutchins_wk: yep, so long as its the right answer
[10:20] <jhutchins_wk> Daisuke_Ido: Probably will.  It's on by default just like wacom support is.
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i finally got around to commenting out all of that
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't understand why they would leave wacom support on by default :\
[10:21] <jhutchins_wk> Doesn't really do anything but throw errors on the screen and log, but it's annoying if you're looking for a real problem.
[10:21] <PhinnFort> Daisuke_Ido: so they won't have hundreds of "my tablet doesn't work" bugs?
[10:21] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> Daisuke_Ido: Well, a lot of people do have them (tablets, phones), and if it's _not_ enabled they have no mouse.
[10:22] <Kenshiro1981> i need help about "sources.list"
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> Still, Mandriva manages to avoid that problem.
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> !easysorces | Kenshiro1981
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysorces - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> !easysources | Kenshiro1981
[10:22] <ubotu> Kenshiro1981: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, isn't it a matter of hardware detection?
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> Spelling counts!
[10:22] <PhinnFort> well, ubuntu's hardware detection is funky
[10:23] <jhutchins_wk> AAAAY MENN!
[10:23] <Kenshiro1981> thx for this information
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> so enabled by default is temporary compensation for that.
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe that should be their focus for 7.10
[10:23] <jhutchins_wk> Daisuke_Ido: Lazy.
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i am not!
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> oh.
[10:23] <PhinnFort> ntop is cool
[10:23] <Daisuke_Ido> i see what you mean now :)
[10:24] <jhutchins_wk> 7.10 is pretty much frozen, don't think they bothered with that.
[10:24] <PhinnFort> 7.04, you mean?
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> 7.10 is frozen?
[10:24] <Kenshiro1981> for kubuntu it is the same?
[10:24] <jhutchins_wk> yeah.
[10:24] <PhinnFort> Kenshiro1981: yeah
[10:24] <Kenshiro1981> oki
[10:24] <jhutchins_wk> FEisty is frozen.
[10:24] <PhinnFort> Kenshiro1981: it's really just different defaults
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> that'
[10:24] <PhinnFort> jhutchins_wk: yeah
[10:24] <PhinnFort> 7.04
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> grr...  that's 7.04, not 7.10 :)
[10:24] <jhutchins_wk> Thatone.
[10:24] <PhinnFort> !feisty > jhutchins_wk
[10:24] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:25] <PhinnFort> !ntop
[10:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <PhinnFort> !info ntop
[10:25] <jhutchins_wk> Word is it's out next week, probably thursday.
[10:25] <ubotu> ntop: display network usage in top-like format. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:3.2-3 (edgy), package size 2692 kB, installed size 11148 kB
[10:25] <Sanne> hi
[10:25] <Daisuke_Ido> 19th is the reported date, though if they need to hold it back a week to fix things, i won't cry
[10:25] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd rather have a solid release than a vista-like mess
[10:26] <Daisuke_Ido> be right back
[10:26] <kendrick> heh
[10:26] <PhinnFort> vista is also defective by design
[10:26] <PhinnFort> don't forget that;)
[10:27] <PhinnFort> so in theory, they would never have been able to come up with a decent OS, no matter how long they kept at it
[10:27] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:27] <alin_lin> did you have any problems with beryl and nvidia by now?
[10:27] <kendrick> oh well :)
[10:27] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:27] <PhinnFort> kendrick: probably not a big enough market
[10:28] <PhinnFort> yet
[10:28] <PhinnFort> kendrick: have you contacted the skolelinux people?
[10:28] <PhinnFort> kendrick: they might get you in touch with the right companies
[10:28] <alin_lin> i get a blank window if the size of it is about 600 x 600 px
[10:29] <kendrick> not yet
[10:29] <kendrick> i mean, i'm well known, as is tux paint :)
[10:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not seeing any improvement, but i'll assume it's there, so...
[10:30] <PhinnFort> kendrick: i mean not enough people pay Canonical for supporting it
[10:30] <PhinnFort> my sister is a big fan of tuxpaint, btw
[10:30] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:30] <maruko> ciao a tutti
[10:31] <maruko> avrei un problemino
[10:31] <PhinnFort> tutti frutti
[10:31] <maruko> mi si  impastato wine e non riesco a killarlo...
[10:31] <kendrick> PhinnFort: i see. and cool :)
[10:31] <Yorokobi> !it
[10:31] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:31] <PhinnFort> !it | maruko
[10:31] <ubotu> maruko: please see above
[10:31] <kendrick> i'd only need, like, $80-90K USD plus health insurance, i think
[10:31] <maruko> oh, I thought I was in the italian channel
[10:31] <maruko> sory people
[10:31] <kendrick> :)
[10:31] <maruko> I'm really sorry
[10:31] <maruko> anyway
[10:31] <kendrick> maruko: heh
[10:31] <PhinnFort> kendrick: she has an old laptop (amd k6-2, 450 mhz 32 mb ram) with DSL and TuxPaint
[10:31] <Sanne> haha
[10:31] <maruko> I will say it in english... ;)
[10:32] <PhinnFort> maruko: ;)
[10:32] <maruko> thx 4 understanding
[10:32] <maruko> anyway
[10:32] <maruko> I was trying to use wine and it just stopped working
[10:32] <PhinnFort> how?
[10:32] <maruko> well, it's blocked....
[10:32] <PhinnFort> maruko: have you tried running it in a console?
[10:33] <maruko> I just would like to be able to kill it for the moment and then restart in
[10:33] <maruko> it
[10:33] <PhinnFort> kendrick: but seriously, try the skolelinux people
[10:33] <Daisuke_Ido> *yet* another kernel update :\
[10:33] <maruko> how can I kill the application?
[10:33] <PhinnFort> Daisuke_Ido: roll your own
[10:33] <PhinnFort> maruko: ctrl+alt+esc
[10:33] <PhinnFort> click on the window
[10:33] <Yorokobi> maruko killall wine
[10:34] <maruko> ohh
[10:34] <maruko> thanks :)
[10:34] <maruko> it worked !
[10:34] <maruko> thanks to everybody!!!
[10:34] <PhinnFort> what did?
[10:34] <PhinnFort> mine or his?;)
[10:34] <Sanne> maruko: graphical: ksysguard, process table, right klick on process
[10:34] <maruko> well, it killed wine ;)
[10:34] <Daisuke_Ido> PhinnFort: for a home desktop system, there's not really a compelling reason to compile my own kernel
[10:34] <PhinnFort> Daisuke_Ido: well, better responsiveness
[10:34] <PhinnFort> I really like the Con Kolivas patches
[10:34] <Frederick> folks my kubuntu freaked out now I got this enormous desktop where I can place icons out of the screen, how do i disable it?
[10:35] <Yorokobi> Frederick: have you restarted X/kdm?
[10:36] <Sanne> Frederick: you can switch resolutions with ctrl-alt-keypad+ /keypad-
[10:36] <Sanne> Frederick: it cycles through your resolitions which are set in your xorg.conf.
[10:37] <Frederick> does not work
[10:38] <Sanne> Frederick: then listen to Yorokobi :)
[10:39] <Ricky> Someone please look at this output from beryl-manager and see if it helps diagnose my problem: http://pastebin.ca/438747
[10:39] <Ricky> It often has that X Error: BadDevice, invalid or unintialized input device 169... How do I see what device that is and fix the problem?
[10:40] <Frederick> Yorokobi: yep
[10:40] <PhinnFort> Ricky: it's not a problem
[10:40] <PhinnFort> Ricky: just a warning
[10:40] <Ricky> But... It's an "error"...
[10:40] <Yorokobi> That worked for you, Frederick ?
[10:40] <PhinnFort> because of something stupid the ubuntu devs do;)
[10:40] <Ricky> Ok
[10:41] <Ricky> So.. are there any real errors then? Does that output help at all?
[10:41] <PhinnFort> Ricky: noone that I can see
[10:41] <PhinnFort> Ricky: just something your driver doesn't support, but Beryl compensates
[10:41] <Frederick> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic but it is not installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic but it is not installed
[10:42] <Ricky> well I just started Beryl again, and it's all screwed up, I'll have to restart cause I can't see what I'm typing
[10:42] <Ricky> but it's a big mess of green and stuff
[10:42] <Yorokobi> Frederick: don't install that kernel
[10:42] <Maruko> hi again
[10:42] <Maruko> can any body tem
[10:42] <Ricky> I wish I could take a screenshot but KSnapshot pops up and I can't see the buttons
[10:42] <Maruko> tell me how can I run wine from console?
[10:42] <Maruko> I forgot
[10:42] <Yorokobi> Ricky, set the timer on ksnapshot :)
[10:42] <PhinnFort> Maruko: "wine"
[10:42] <Ricky> anyway I will brb, maybe my snapshot got saved...
[10:43] <Maruko> yeah, but I need to emule a program with wine
[10:43] <Maruko> it's just sudo wine programname ?
[10:43] <PhinnFort> Maruko: "wine" programname
[10:43] <PhinnFort> yeah
[10:43] <Maruko> ok
[10:43] <Maruko> thx
[10:43] <Frederick> Yorokobi: why?
[10:43] <Yorokobi> Frederick: its b0rked
[10:44] <Yorokobi> Frederick: stick with 2.6.20.13
[10:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: there was a new kernel released today
[10:45] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido: a new .14?
[10:45] <Frederick> it does not allow me to download that crap
[10:45] <Daisuke_Ido> 2.6.20-14.23
[10:45] <Frederick> remove I mean
[10:45] <Yorokobi> ah, good to know
[10:45] <TheDebugger> Yeah.. new kernel but i wasn't able to download it from the main servers, forbidden
[10:46] <Daisuke_Ido> TheDebugger: might want to try again, working like a charm
[10:46] <TheDebugger> It's available on canada's server though
[10:46] <Daisuke_Ido> updating in adept
[10:46] <TheDebugger> I have it now :)
[10:46] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido: so, you've not actually booted to the new kernel?
[10:46] <Daisuke_Ido> but i DID have a problem downloading python 2.5
[10:47] <Ricky> How do I add programs to run on startup?
[10:47] <Frederick> wich  header is borked?
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: i've been using 2.6.20-14 since release with no problems
[10:47] <Yorokobi> Ricky: boot-up or KDE startup?
[10:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Ricky: link to them in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:47] <Ricky> Also another question: Has anyone seen this kind of bug in Beryl? I really would like to use Beryl, but I don't know how to get it fixed... http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8878/snapshot2gj9.png
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> desktop:~$ echo `uname -r`
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> 2.6.20-14-generic
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Ricky: yes, yes i have
[10:48] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido: you have an ATI video card, yes?
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to increase colour depth to 24 bit
[10:48] <awen> 2.6.20-14.23 has some issues
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: no, nvidia, actually
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> awen: it was fixed recently
[10:48] <Ricky> Daisuke_Ido: Oh, thanks, I really hope that solves the problem!
[10:49] <awen> Admiral_Chicago: and the fix is released?
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> awen: just downloaded the latest -23
[10:49] <Ricky> Daisuke_Ido: uhh... How do I change color depth? I don't see it in the Monitor & Display dialog...
[10:49] <liveCD> Ricky:also check the resolution in the control panel in KDE
[10:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ricky: easiest way for me is to edit xorg.conf
[10:50] <Daisuke_Ido> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> awen: according to planet.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[10:51] <Ricky> Daisuke_Ido: which do I change? DefaultDepth? Or one of the Depth settings?
[10:51] <Daisuke_Ido> getting there :)
[10:51] <awen> Admiral_Chicago: then i just need to wait for the local mirror to be updated.. thx for info
[10:51] <Daisuke_Ido> DefaultDepth in Section "Screen"
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> Ricky: nvidia card?
[10:52] <Ricky> Okay, restarting X server then... I'll BRB to ask how to autostart Beryl, if it works :)
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> not yet
[10:52] <Ricky> Yeah, NVidia GeForce Go 7900GS
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> wait just a moment
[10:52] <Ricky> Ok
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> Ricky: private message
[10:53] <Ricky> Yeah, it won't let me reply but I saw it :)
[10:54] <Ricky> it says private messages are disabled to unregistered users.
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> just wanted to make sure you got it :)
[10:54] <Ricky> Does it matter where i put that option? Above or below subsections?
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i put it righ above subsections
[10:54] <Ricky> Ok. Is that all then?
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> that should be it
[10:54] <Ricky> Thanks, I'll BRB :)
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> good luck
[10:55] <Ricky> It works! and that is SOOO cool! :) :)
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[10:56] <Ricky> Now, how do I set it to auto-start?
[10:56] <jhutchins_wk> !autostart | Ricky
[10:56] <ubotu> Ricky: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:56] <oem> holoa
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:57] <oem> hola yuriy
[10:57] <Ricky> I don't know how to make a symlink, I'm pretty new to linux... but, I will get kcontrol-autostart!
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ln -s /path/to/beryl-manager beryl-manager
[10:57] <Yorokobi> Ricky: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you, Yorokobi
[10:57] <Yorokobi> Ricky: you _may_ need to create .kde/Autostart
[10:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i was sitting in the Autostart directory already :(
[10:59] <Frederick> I removed the borked kernel the sound is back but I have problems with my monitor I cant load the monitor options in kcontrol
[10:59] <Frederick> The Module Monitor and Display Could not Be loaded any ideas?
[10:59] <Yorokobi> Frederick: are you using Beryl?
[10:59] <Frederick> what is that?
[11:00] <Yorokobi> :) Question answered.
[11:00] <Frederick> so any ideas?
[11:02] <jhutchins_wk> Frederick: What if you go back to a previous kernel?
[11:02] <Frederick> jhutchins_wk: already done
[11:02] <jhutchins_wk> I thought 17-11 was the latest?
[11:02] <julian> #kubuntu-de
[11:03] <jhutchins_wk> Frederick: Let me guess: Feisty?
[11:03] <Frederick> yep
[11:03] <jhutchins_wk> Frederick: Obviously you've found something that's not finished yet.  Did you report both bugs?
[11:04] <jhutchins_wk> Ach, time for me to go.
[11:04] <Frederick> no first I have to fiy this crap
[11:08] <lz1gjd> hi, could any1 tell me how to install ati drivers on kubuntu 7.04
[11:08] <Yorokobi> !ati | lz1gjd
[11:08] <ubotu> lz1gjd: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:09] <gavin> Has anybody ever run Kubuntu on Parallels deskotp for mac?
[11:10] <compilerwriter> I to use xming, and XDMCP from windows to connect to my headless kubuntu box.  Over the last several days my windows box has gotten updates that caused it to automatically reboot, which of course has mucked up my xsessions that were left running during the night.  I have just simply opened up xming again and started another session.  My question is this, does the xserver realize when the connection is lost and deal with
[11:10] <compilerwriter> it appropriately, or am I now logged in like a blue million times, and need to reboot?
[11:10] <lz1gjd> so it's the same like in 6.10
[11:11] <Yorokobi> lz1gjd: yep, should be
[11:11] <lz1gjd> but when i try to run ati driver installer i get this error message Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x720' directory
[11:12] <intelikey> compilerwriter ps -A x
[11:13] <compilerwriter> intelikey should that show just me?
[11:13] <intelikey> nope  all processes
[11:13] <Yorokobi> compilerwriter: or, in konsole, 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' should kill all X sessions (including the current one)
[11:14] <intelikey> Yorokobi if he actually needs too yes
[11:14] <Yorokobi> Last ditch effort ^^^
[11:14] <compilerwriter> It appears that there are some zombie things goin on.
[11:14] <intelikey> ues the silver sword on them.
[11:14] <intelikey> :)
[11:15] <dirgedoll> Hi, I have 6.10 how do I mount my hard drive
[11:15] <compilerwriter> kdm restart then and my stuff will start acting properly again.
[11:15] <compilerwriter> Be back in a few.
[11:15] <intelikey> !ntfs | dirgedoll
[11:15] <ubotu> dirgedoll: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:16] <dirgedoll> i dont have windows or mac on here just linux
[11:16] <intelikey> then what are you wanting to mount ?
[11:17] <dirgedoll> i want to be able to have access to my hard drive so i can locate programs I installed that didnt show up in the menu bar
[11:17] <intelikey> :)
[11:17] <Yorokobi> dirgedoll: they wouldn't be installed if the drive wasn't mounted.
[11:17] <intelikey> !hidden | dirgedoll
[11:17] <ubotu> dirgedoll: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:17] <N6REJ> anyone a phpmyadmin expert, I got a database that is all hosed
[11:18] <intelikey> Yorokobi it's 6.10
[11:18] <dirgedoll> ok
[11:18] <dirgedoll> do i type ! hidden in the user or super user mode
[11:18] <intelikey> no
[11:18] <intelikey> you read the link ^
[11:18] <dirgedoll> ok
[11:19] <intelikey> URL  web page   information thingy
[11:19] <Daboone72> Hiya I'm a Kubuntu newbie, My network card isn't detected and you know I don't think there is a way to fix it using just the GUI.
[11:19] <intelikey> Daboone72 might be...  but there is lots of info about wifi stuff
[11:20] <intelikey> !wifi | Daboone72
[11:20] <ubotu> Daboone72: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:20] <Daboone72> Not wireless card normal LAN card
[11:20] <Yorokobi> but is it a wifi
[11:20] <Yorokobi> Daboone72: what brand/model ?
[11:20] <intelikey> hmmm wired and not detected... that's new
[11:20] <Yorokobi> ISA/PCI/USB ?
[11:20] <Daboone72> Intel Gigabit card
[11:20] <Daboone72> Onboard motherboard.
[11:21] <intelikey> !network
[11:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:21] <intelikey> all links point to wifi
[11:21] <Yorokobi> hmmm ... not detected usually means not supported for integrated ethernet adapters ...
[11:21] <Daboone72> Now I'm a previous Fedora user but let's try and do it without using the command line for a challenge :-)
[11:21] <Yorokobi> Daboone72: what does dmesg say about it ?
[11:22] <intelikey> Daboone72 :)
[11:22] <intelikey> Yorokobi hehhe
[11:22] <pieman> hey guys...not related to kubuntu, but i guessed someone in here would be able to answer this with ease! just a quickie about POINTERS in c/c++,,,,if a normal variable returns the value assigned to it...does a pointer simply return a memory address?
[11:22] <Daboone72> Is there a way to get to dmesg using the GUI? maybe system info...
[11:22] <Yorokobi> pieman: unless dereferenced, yes
[11:22] <Yorokobi> Daboone72: konsole :)
[11:23] <intelikey> Daboone72 browse to /var/log/messages
[11:23] <hmartox> Alguien sabe como instalar y configurar freenx en Kubuntu Feisty
[11:23] <hmartox> ??
[11:23] <Daisuke_Ido> !es | hmartox
[11:23] <ubotu> hmartox: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:24] <Daboone72> Good stuff intellikey and kdeinfocentre says it's a Intel gigabit 82340 which gives us the lspci info were used to
[11:24] <Yorokobi> ksystemlog (sp?) is a gui with access to /var/log/messages
[11:24] <Daboone72> could use konqueror to get there let me check
[11:25] <gemidjy_> I have a nfs mountpoint mount. When the user on the other side of the LAN turns off his computer, my KDE Desktop crashes, the media:/ is empty and couple of other complications occur
[11:26] <intelikey> Cannot stat /dev/tty2: Permission denied
[11:26] <intelikey> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[11:26] <intelikey> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[11:26] <intelikey> eeeek
[11:28] <pieman> Yorokobi, i cannot understand why i would need a pointer...what sort of reason is there? my book just gives rather abstract uses
[11:28] <Daboone72> good grief you know guys you can't actually browse files very easily in a freshly installed kubuntu
[11:29] <intelikey> gemidjy_ hmmm that would get anoying right quick.    tell him not to shut down with a warning.   and set your end to umonut on recept of the warning....    there's prolly a good way to do all that.
[11:29] <Daboone72> You can't actually click your way to var log messages
[11:29] <Yorokobi> pieman: there are a lot of reasons. If the book isn't clear you've got the wrong book :D
[11:29] <intelikey> Daboone72 yes you can
[11:29] <gemidjy_> intelikey: to tell him to warn me you say? lol
[11:29] <intelikey> show hidden files in the konq menu
[11:29] <the_hammer> anyone here running xchat 2.80?
[11:29] <gemidjy_> nice one
[11:29] <intelikey> gemidjy_ that too.
[11:30] <the_hammer> 2.8.0 ?
[11:30] <Daboone72> ok how intelikey when I do it because of security I only see home and media
[11:30] <intelikey> show hidden files in the konq menu
[11:30] <intelikey> !hidden | Daboone72
[11:30] <ubotu> Daboone72: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:31] <Daboone72> ubotu that's good then easier for newbies
[11:32] <Daboone72> that is one clever bot
[11:32] <intelikey> !bot | Daboone72
[11:32] <ubotu> Daboone72: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:32] <pieman> Yorokobi, i see...ok off to uni for another one i guess tomorrow! out of interest, do you think it's still worth learning c/c++? or should i focus on learning just c or just c++? i already know oo programming, so leaning towards c++...any opinion on that?
[11:32] <Daboone72> ok I got dmesg still not needing command line
[11:32] <gemidjy_> I'll report it as bug
[11:33] <Yorokobi> pieman: that's entirely up to you.
[11:33] <pieman> yeah ive done a bit of perl...so useful for like patching stuff together i love it
[11:35] <pieman> I guess i was asking, is there a reason one would choose to use C over C++?
[11:35] <intelikey> Daboone72 Q when you say "no cli"  do you mean no keyboard input or just uning apps that have their own window ?
[11:36] <compilerwriter> well intelikey my xwin are behaving more normally now.
[11:36] <Daboone72> Well my challenge is to get networking working like a normal newbie without using command line or any of our usual tricks
[11:37] <calamari> hi
[11:37] <Yorokobi> pieman: depends on what you're going to do.
[11:37] <Daboone72> to answer the penultimate question is kubuntu ready for the desktop :-)
[11:37] <Yorokobi> penultimate: 2nd to last
[11:37] <Daboone72> is there a gui tool to load and unload modules?
[11:37] <compilerwriter> only one x-session at a time is what I consider normal.  It seemed I had parts of about three different sessions running still.
[11:37] <Daboone72> ultimate then sorry
[11:37] <calamari> after a while of system inactivity, my monitor turns off.  can I disable this feature?
[11:37] <rangeri> alright? just installed my first linux ever.. just one question, my mouse cursor weirdly accelerates on top of clickable buttons, how do i turn it off
[11:38] <dirgedoll> ok i clicked on show hidden files and followed the instructions and nothing came up, so now what do i do to see them? thanks
[11:38] <calamari> rangeri: sounds like an accessibility feature
[11:38] <michielv> Hi Yorokobi I tried yesterday to connect to Internet after hybernating my computer but it did not work
[11:39] <gemidjy_> intelikey: any idea what package is the one that causes the behaviour? kdesktop maybe?
[11:39] <compilerwriter> intelikey and Yorokobi should not that command you guys gave me have restarted the x-server?  For whatever reason it did not fire back up.  It managed to shut itself down but no refire.  Fortunately, I was able to putty in via ssh and start kdm again.
[11:40] <solitarybit> Does anyone know, has CNN.com changed thier video codec?  They were working until yesterday, but now kaffeine is just showing visualizations.
[11:40] <michielv> if I hybernate and then start my computer my rausb0 interface is not available
[11:40] <Yorokobi> compilerwriter: yeah, I can see how that would happen. Killing KDM kills konsole, kills startup
[11:40] <intelikey> Daboone72 i kinda hope not.   if i understand the "penultimate question" correctly.    if you mean can we thorw away the keyboard and just use the mouse,   if you mean can we stop setting up console logins and remove the terminal emulators .....   if you mean is it enough like M$ windows to fool the masses        gee i sure hope not.
[11:40] <fakepatriot> does anyone know of a program for mounting .iso and .mds and stuff like that?
[11:40] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, mount
[11:40] <intelikey> gemidjy_ not really i don't.
[11:41] <Daisuke_Ido> that will do iso
[11:41] <Daisuke_Ido> any other format you'll need to convert to iso to mount in linux
[11:41] <fakepatriot> is it called 'mount'?
[11:41] <compilerwriter> Now had I a console connected to the box it would have restarted though no?
[11:41] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes  kdm restart should have "restarted" the xorg
[11:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i recommend acetoneISO
[11:41] <Daisuke_Ido> !iso
[11:41] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[11:41] <pieman> calamari, is it just the power saving thing turning off your monitor?
[11:41] <Daboone72> KsystemLog doesn't work out of the box either
[11:41] <calamari> pieman: proably.. but I do not know where to find it
[11:42] <fakepatriot> cool thanks everyone
[11:42] <Yorokobi> compilerwriter: so long as you ran the init.d script from the console, yes
[11:42] <Daisuke_Ido> good lord i hope linux never becomes as dumbed down as windows
[11:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd probably have to stick my head RIGHT in that gas oven
[11:43] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido sentiments prezactly
[11:43] <michielv> hello how can I make my rausb0 interface available after I hybernate my pc? 'ifconfig rausb0 up'
[11:43] <michielv> doesn't work
[11:43] <Daisuke_Ido> try sudo ifup rausb0
[11:43] <michielv> I get a flag errro
[11:44] <intelikey> may need to cycle them   ifdown ifup
[11:44] <pieman> calamari, it's just under system settings -> power saving tab i believe
[11:44] <Daisuke_Ido> or just put together a three-line bash script to cycle...
[11:44] <calamari> pieman: I don't see that tab
[11:44] <rangeri> hmm still haven't found the option to turn off this annoying mouse feature that it accelerates over buttons and links
[11:44] <intelikey> or one line  :)
[11:44] <pieman> doh
[11:45] <rangeri> is there an accessibility menu or something, sorry i'm new with ubuntu
[11:45] <Daisuke_Ido> rather than clicking on seven or eight different things like you'd have to in that OTHER os that people want linux to emulate so badly >_>
[11:45] <michielv> can It be something to do with udev?
[11:45] <dirgedoll> ive tried following links to see my hidden files to my hd, and everything it says to do and cannot see a thing
[11:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to pay for that, but it's true
[11:45] <pieman> calamari, are you running edgy? or earlier...
[11:45] <calamari> rangeri: I've been looking around for something like you mentioned.. I swear I saw it before, but KDE has options all over the place.. very confusing
[11:45] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: can it even be done in less than two lines?
[11:45] <calamari> pieman: Fiesty
[11:46] <intelikey> michielv more likely something in the usb subsystem   but i better leave that alone.
[11:46] <Daisuke_Ido> #!/bin/bash, then the line with the commands?
[11:46] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido  sudo ifdown blah ;sudo ifup blah
[11:46] <intelikey> dont need  #!/bin/bash
[11:46] <Daisuke_Ido> eh
[11:46] <pieman> calamari, sorry, perhaps I gave you the wrong instructions...i should have mentioned, System Systems - > Monitor & Display, then look for the power options tab...but I am on edgy so I don't know if fiesty is the same..
[11:47] <intelikey> serious   try it
[11:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i have no doubt it would work
[11:47] <rangeri> i've tried to google or sorts of things.. "mouse accelerates over buttons" "mouse ubuntu feature" "mouse weird ubuntu" :D
[11:47] <calamari> pieman: ahh okay, thanks
[11:48] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i didn't say it was the pretties thing to do.   or the 'recommended' way    but just that one could.
[11:48] <michielv> I now there are some rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-ralink-rt73.rules that are used during startup and make rausb0 available?
[11:49] <intelikey> michielv that's just for setting up the device node
[11:49] <intelikey> all udev does is manages device nodes
[11:49] <michielv> why is my rausb0 not available after hibernate?
[11:50] <intelikey> cause usb is still asleep
[11:50] <michielv> and how can I make it awake? :)
[11:51] <intelikey> unplug replug   ?
[11:51] <intelikey> just a thought
[11:52] <intelikey> if i had anything with a usb port i'd play with it and find out....
[11:53] <intelikey> waylandbill take over
[11:53] <waylandbill> intelikey: take over? throw me to the wolves? :-D
[11:53] <intelikey> :)
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> but of course
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> it's fun!
[11:54] <waylandbill> true!
[11:54] <dirgedoll> I'm having a blast heh
[11:54] <Daisuke_Ido> some usb issues
[11:54] <waylandbill> It's the fact that I'm eye candy. I know it!
[11:55] <dirgedoll> voila all the hidden files emerge.
[11:55] <dirgedoll> lol
[11:55] <waylandbill> how is everyone btw?
[11:55] <michielv> other question, I tried today SVN, but if I want todo 'svn commit" nano progam starts ???
[11:57] <michielv> GNU nano starts with file 'svn-commit.tmp' wako
[11:57] <dirgedoll> I'm good
[11:58] <compilerwriter> Now how does one go looking to make certain init.d gets run when a computer fires up?
[11:59] <intelikey> compilerwriter init.d is a dir
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[11:59] <compilerwriter> intelikey for some reason x is not firing up when the computer is booted and I need to find out what I broke.
[12:00] <compilerwriter> This having to ssh and start kdm is getting annoying.
[12:00] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: use update-rc.d
[12:00] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't work?
[12:00] <PhinnFort> FSCK dash
[12:01] <PhinnFort> just broke the update-grub script
[12:02] <dirgedoll> later all thanks for the help I appreciate it. :)
[12:02] <intelikey> PhinnFort ummm dash didn't break anything
[12:02] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: What's supposed to happen is that the init script is supposed to check /etc/inittab for the default runlevel (or take it from the boot command), look in /etc/rc#.d where # is the runlevel, and run the scripts in there in order.
[12:02] <PhinnFort> intelikey: it did here
[12:02] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: It also runs scripts in /etc/rc.d itself.
[12:03] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: THe scripts in /etc/rc.d/rc#.d are symlinks to files in /etc/rc.d/init.d/
[12:03] <compilerwriter> jhutchins:  I xdmcp to my kubuntu box from windows.  When the x server does not fire up automatically I have to ssh to start kdm.
[12:03] <intelikey> PhinnFort the script was broke is the reason it can't run correctly with dash as /bin/sh
[12:03] <intelikey> jhutchins on what distro ?
[12:03] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: update-rc.d manages those symlinks.
[12:03] <PhinnFort> intelikey: the script is working perfectly in Bash
[12:03] <PhinnFort> ;)
[12:03] <intelikey> jhutchins ubuntu doesn't use /etc/rc.d/
[12:04] <PhinnFort> intelikey: therefore in my book, dash is broken
[12:04] <jhutchins> intelikey: That's because ubuntu thinks it knows better.
[12:04] <intelikey> PhinnFort then you bood is ignorant.
[12:04] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: neither does gentoo
[12:04] <jhutchins> I thought they had implemented (fake) runlevels?
[12:04] <jhutchins> That's part of LSB.
[12:05] <PhinnFort> rc.d?
[12:05] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: you mean in gentoo?
[12:05] <Dekans> is there kickoff in kubuntu feisty repos ?
[12:05] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Maybe the script doesn't haev the proper "magic number".
[12:06] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: it was using "exec" which isn't properly implemented in DASH;)
[12:06] <dwidmann> Dekans: no
[12:06] <PhinnFort> Dekans: no
[12:06] <PhinnFort> Dekans: but there is a deb floating around the interwebs
[12:06] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Does it start with #! /bin/bash?
[12:06] <PhinnFort> Dekans: and good luck finding the sourcecode if you want it
[12:06] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: nope
[12:06] <Dekans> PhinnFort: I use kubuntu 64 i cannot install it
[12:06] <Dekans> and surces are not availables....
[12:06] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: THen that's the problem, it's the script's fault.
[12:06] <PhinnFort> Dekans: well, then you're out of luck
[12:06] <intelikey> PhinnFort dash is posix complient, but it does not have all the features that bash now has.   script writers that write shell scripts should "never" depend bash being used as /bin/sh   but only depend on posix compliance in /bin/sh      the script writer  is expecting bash functions but called #!/bin/sh  thus the script is broken  not dash.
[12:07] <PhinnFort> intelikey: "should" is relative
[12:07] <PhinnFort> intelikey: when the scripts where written, bash was /bin/sh on 99.99% of all installations, probably
[12:07] <hitmanWilly> you could always symlink /bin/sh to bash instead
[12:07] <PhinnFort> hitmanWilly: what I do everytime I update
[12:07] <hitmanWilly> :)
[12:07] <Dekans> hum
[12:07] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: The script author should never assume bash and leave the hashbang blank.
[12:08] <PhinnFort> jhutchins: why not, when bash has monopoly?;)
[12:08] <Dekans> even with bash i cannot run limewire
[12:08] <compilerwriter> jhutchins so I should update-rc.d multiuser?
[12:08] <PhinnFort>  /had
[12:08] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Because then you do not have a cross-platform compatible script.
[12:08] <intelikey> PhinnFort cause it makes idiots like you whine...
[12:08] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Always use full paths, always specify the filetype.
[12:08] <PhinnFort> ;)
[12:08] <Daboone72> I'm not too impressed with Kubuntu so far. I've fixed my network card and the /dev/null issue but now my X has broken by itself
[12:08] <PhinnFort> imho, posix should be changed to suite bash;)
[12:09] <jhutchins> sute.
[12:09] <PhinnFort> intelikey: i don't intend to whine, even though I might do it, i just think it was a bad decision to switch completely almost without warning to dash
[12:09] <intelikey> i'll take your openion and $1.25 and buy a coke
[12:09] <utnubuk> hey is it very difficult to hack a xbox360 and get kubuntu on it?
[12:10] <hitmanWilly> personally, i always tag mine with #!/bin/bash
[12:10] <intelikey> PhinnFort it's always been an option in ubuntu to have dash as your /bin/sh
[12:10] <PhinnFort> well, I do too
[12:10] <hitmanWilly> saves a lot of trouble that way
[12:10] <PhinnFort> intelikey: but why default?
[12:11] <jhutchins> PhinnFort: Why do it the same way everybody else does it?  What would be the point then?
[12:11] <intelikey> why not?     it showed a lot of bad coding.    and that's a good thing.
[12:11] <PhinnFort> intelikey: that's not a good thing on a "userfriendly" operating system supposed to show the best of open source
[12:11] <jhutchins> Breaking things is a legitimte troubleshooting method, like bypassing a fuse to see what smokes.
[12:11] <intelikey> until someone points out that a script is in error    it never gets fixed.
[12:11] <compilerwriter> jhutchins I need a little help with the syntax with update-rc.d.  I don't want to bollux this up.