[12:28] <Arwen> TheSilentW, the defaults aren't good enough for you?
[12:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:28] <TheSilentW> defaults are as good as defaults are, beryl is meant for custumization, i think
[12:28] <nomasteryoda> he's new and loving all the goodness
[12:28] <nomasteryoda> i even turn off taskbar... in favor of expose effect
[12:28] <ulmolavender> it doesn't give a list of networks to connect to, though hovering shows which one I'm connected to
[12:29] <nomasteryoda> ulmolavender, if you updated and knetworkmanager was one of the updates, you need to reload it
[12:29] <ulmolavender> ah, I'm doing that right now. :b
[12:29] <nomasteryoda> TheSilentW, my shiver is off,
[12:30] <TheSilentW> ok
[12:30] <TheSilentW> and in advanced, the spring in Move menu?
[12:31] <nomasteryoda> move effect is on
[12:31] <nomasteryoda> checked
[12:32] <TheSilentW> the move friction is under 1 right? and the move spring K?
[12:32] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:32] <ulmolavender> nomasteryoda: just knetworkmanager? I got the same (dead) thing
[12:32] <nomasteryoda> also release has an option
[12:32] <TheSilentW> that release
[12:32] <TheSilentW> what values u put?
[12:33] <TheSilentW> enabled and ?
[12:33] <nomasteryoda> just a second
[12:33] <TheSilentW> for friction, and spring k? what u put
[12:34] <marshall> hey guys
[12:35] <marshall> how do i get nautilus to redraw my video previews?
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> TheSilentW, here... look thru my file
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> http://rafb.net/p/bsGS7P96.html
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> you can search it ... and find all sorts of ways to hack it
[12:38] <TheSilentW> :)
[12:38] <TheSilentW> thx mate
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> i'm outside in bad sunlight
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> its blinding
[12:38] <nomasteryoda> screen is too dim
[12:39] <TheSilentW> btw
[12:39] <TheSilentW> how can i save mine and try yours
[12:39] <TheSilentW> straight
[12:39] <nomasteryoda> but Beryl is better.... cause I did negative to xchat and see it ok
[12:39] <nomasteryoda> oh, just do this... cp ~/.beryl/settings ~/.beryl/settings_org
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> then just copy/paste what mine is into the settings file
[12:40] <nomasteryoda> you can have multiple "profiles for beryl
[12:41] <TheSilentW> ok
[12:41] <TheSilentW> thx mate
[12:42] <nomasteryoda> np
[12:42] <TheSilentW> btw
[12:42] <nomasteryoda> that way you can hose it up... then pick your default...
[12:43] <TheSilentW> for number of desktops, i put 1, but there are 4 faces of the cubes, so, 4 desktops, but now i put 4 and all faces went to 1 face
[12:43] <TheSilentW> on the bar at the bottom right
[12:44] <TheSilentW> it showed only a rectangle, no more desktop icons
[12:44] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:44] <TheSilentW> do i need to restart
[12:44] <nomasteryoda> you have to pick some setting in beryl-manager to "integrate" with the kde
[12:44] <TheSilentW> using gnome
[12:44] <nomasteryoda> nope
[12:44] <nomasteryoda> maybe restart x
[12:45] <TheSilentW> ok
[12:45] <nomasteryoda> but not the whole system
[12:45] <TheSilentW> so, if i put
[12:45] <TheSilentW> 4 desktops
[12:45] <TheSilentW> will it go with the 4 faces?
[12:45] <TheSilentW> (connect)
[12:45] <nomasteryoda> i know what you want...
[12:45] <nomasteryoda> i have 6
[12:45] <nomasteryoda> and have diff wallpapers for each
[12:46] <TheSilentW> i had... a normal cube, 6 faces, 4 usable, all in 1 desktop
[12:46] <TheSilentW> now i put more desktops and it mess up
[12:46] <nomasteryoda> can be confusing, but beryl seems not to mind ... but each side of cube seems to always be the same for each of those desktops... or rather display the same wallpaper i put on each
[12:46] <TheSilentW> all desktops i had went to 1 face of cube xD
[12:46] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:47] <TheSilentW> i think its working now
[12:47] <TheSilentW> yeah
[12:47] <TheSilentW> it is
[12:47] <TheSilentW> autofixed itself
[12:47] <TheSilentW> :)
[12:47] <nomasteryoda> under general options, Desktop background
[12:47] <nomasteryoda> manager supports viewports
[12:48] <TheSilentW> hmm
[12:48] <TheSilentW> wierd thing just heppn
[12:49] <TheSilentW> happen
[12:49] <TheSilentW> i click on the first desktop at the bar
[12:49] <TheSilentW> and it shows my dome
[12:49] <TheSilentW> and a copy of that desktop
[12:49] <TheSilentW> and 1 behind it
[12:49] <TheSilentW> like, 2 layers of desktops and then dome
[12:49] <TheSilentW> xD
[12:49] <ffm> HELP!!!
[12:50] <ffm> GNOME does not detect my network connection
[12:50] <ffm> even though GAIM and FF work.
[12:50] <ffm> This happend a fter I updated and rebooted fiesty
[12:50] <TheSilentW> LOLO, and the explode animation i had for window closed stop in middle
[12:50] <TheSilentW> i think this needs a restart
[12:50] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:50] <TheSilentW> i bookmarked the link u gave me, will it stay online?
[12:50] <nomasteryoda> wow
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> ctl-alt-bkspc TheSilentW
[12:51] <TheSilentW> it will close everythink
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> should... wifi?
[12:51] <TheSilentW> right?
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> ffm, you have network-manager
[12:51] <nomasteryoda> yup
[12:51] <TheSilentW> ok, i will just restart the system
[12:51] <ffm> nomasteryoda: Yes.
[12:51] <TheSilentW> its easier
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> but the quick restart of X i think it will still maintain the wifi
[12:52] <ajmorris_> how do i activate grub.cfg? That grub file is what is updated when i install a new kernel, however grub is using menu.lst so i have to manually add it to menu.lst
[12:52] <riddlebox> pythoncard is in the repos right?
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> k
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> np
[12:52] <TheSilentW> brb then
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> ffm, down in your tray
[12:52] <nomasteryoda> ffm, you mean for wireless, right?
[12:52] <ffm> nomasteryoda: Up in my tray. No, for Ethernet
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> ajmorris_, if you mean kernel update, dpkg should have done that for you
[12:53] <ffm> nomasteryoda: I think it is network-admin
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> that is the gnome tool yes
[12:53] <riddlebox> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/feisty/python/python-pythoncard shows python card is in the repos but I cannot apt-get it?
[12:54] <ffm> nomasteryoda: So, what do I do?
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> to set cards up, but network-manager lets you change things as user from the tray
[12:54] <ajmorris_> nomasteryoda, yeah it updated grub.cfg, but menu.lst is in use not grub.cfg and i want to activate grub.cfg
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> first check that it is enabled in the network-admin
[12:54] <ffm> Hm...
[12:54] <ffm> Yep,.
[12:54] <ffm> It is
[12:55] <ffm> Wired via DHCP
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> ok, now did U do an update
[12:55] <ffm> Yes.
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> because i think there was an update to the manager
[12:55] <ffm> When I booted, I had 200 waiting for me.
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> network-manager
[12:55] <ffm> So, how do I undo?
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> no, did you reboot after the patches?
[12:56] <nomasteryoda> try this
[12:56] <ffm> nomasteryoda: Yes, I rebooted
[12:56] <nomasteryoda> let me know what it finds
[12:56] <riddlebox> nm did an apt-get update and now I get it
[12:57] <ffm> but, before and after, nothing changed.
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> ffm, type this in a console which nm-applet
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> "which nm-applet"
[12:57] <ffm> Oh.
[12:58] <ffm> luke@Merlin:/usr/local/bin$ which nm-applet
[12:58] <ffm> /usr/bin/nm-applet
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> cool computer name
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> =D
[12:58] <ffm> Thanks.
[12:59] <Sgeo> Wait, Feisty RC?
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> ok, now don't paste the whole thing, but what does "ifconfig eth0" show
[12:59] <Sgeo> Also, will there be a version for the old Mac chips?
[12:59] <Sgeo> PowerPC I think..
[12:59] <ffm> !pastebin
[12:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> doesn't look like it
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> using Feisty here
[01:00] <ffm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15287/
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> ya, pastebin works
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> or rafb.net
[01:00] <TheSilentW> hi
[01:00] <TheSilentW> problem
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> what happened?
[01:00] <TheSilentW> the desktops (workstations) dont have background
[01:00] <TheSilentW> shows the dome
[01:00] <ffm> nomasteryoda: I have to go. I need to eat. Can you wait a sec?
[01:01] <TheSilentW> and if i right click no menu opens
[01:01] <nomasteryoda> now that is weird
[01:01] <TheSilentW> the desktops (workspaces) dont have background
[01:01] <TheSilentW> what now?
[01:01] <TheSilentW> :(
[01:01] <TheSilentW> and the effect
[01:01] <TheSilentW> still exists
[01:01] <TheSilentW> the wobble
[01:02] <onyx> anyone got mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail to work with edgy?
[01:02] <nomasteryoda> hang on... can you restart beryl-manager?
[01:02] <nomasteryoda> just to see
[01:02] <TheSilentW> i restarted my pc
[01:02] <TheSilentW> but i can do that
[01:02] <TheSilentW> whats the command?
[01:02] <nomasteryoda> ok, Alt+F2 should bring up console
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> then killall -9 beryl-manager
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> then start it again... beryl-manager in another Alt+F2 box
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> i'lve gotta runfor a bit
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> kids...
[01:03] <TheSilentW> doesnt work
[01:03] <TheSilentW> ><
[01:13] <ffm> nomasteryoda: I am back
[01:15] <ffm> nomasteryoda: Can you help me?
[01:18] <MattJ> *grumble*
[01:19] <MattJ> Feisty scores lower than Dapper + Edgy in my books
[01:19] <jojoman02> why?
[01:19] <MattJ> Well, let's start with the installer...
[01:20] <MattJ> The partitions part used to use gparted
[01:20] <MattJ> As far as I remember
[01:20] <jojoman02> well there is always alternative cd
[01:20] <MattJ> Yeah, I will use that next time
[01:20] <MattJ> gparted is no longer even on the desktop CD
[01:21] <MattJ> I ended up using cfdisk
[01:21] <MattJ> Now, a critical problem for me...
[01:21] <MattJ> "Switch user" is not working
[01:21] <jojoman02> i think they were planning on using gparted
[01:21] <jojoman02> but something must have happened
[01:22] <MattJ> Screen clicks, as usual
[01:22] <MattJ> (showing it is switching virtual terminal)
[01:22] <jojoman02> don't forget there is always a seperate livecd for gparted
[01:22] <MattJ> Then it goes black, and locks up
[01:23] <jojoman02> which is always better b/c if gparted gets updated they can just come out with a new live cd
[01:23] <MattJ> I never get to see gdm
[01:23] <jojoman02> and u don't have the same problem on the machine with edgy
[01:23] <jojoman02> try it with a live cd
[01:23] <jojoman02> of edgy
[01:24] <jojoman02> could be a h/w issue
[01:24] <MattJ> Edgy was fine
[01:25] <MattJ> Only... I used Xubuntu, now I am using Ubuntu
[01:25] <jojoman02> well we're only in rc (gonna be released today)
[01:25] <jojoman02> so there is still time for these fixes
[01:25] <billy> hmm ... alternate CD breaks while installing.  maybe LiveCD install will work?
[01:25] <MattJ> RC is not supposed to be fixed :)
[01:27] <MattJ> I don't know what to do, I may as well go back to Edgy
[01:27] <billy> MattJ, what's wrong with your Feisty?
[01:27] <MattJ> "Switch user" is broken
[01:28] <billy> MattJ, is that all?
[01:28] <MattJ> Yes, but it is an essential feature for me :)
[01:28] <billy> I think there's a way to do that with command line.  Comfortable with that?
[01:28] <MattJ> There are often 2-3 people logged in at once
[01:28] <MattJ> I am, the rest of the family are not
[01:29] <MattJ> If it was just me, I wouldn't care
[01:29] <billy> Maybe it'll be fixed by the week of the 19th.  :)
[01:29] <MattJ> It's probably my ATI
[01:29] <billy> Anyone know what would cause an installation to break at point of "select and install files"?
[01:29] <billy> MattJ, I've heard those are buggy.
[01:30] <MattJ> Yes, especially with multiple X servers
[01:30] <MattJ> On Edgy, the last person to log out caused the whole PC to freeze
[01:30] <MattJ> That was the ATI drivers
[01:31] <MattJ> But it was ok, since the last person to log out always shut the PC down
[01:31] <MattJ> But now, it doesn't work at all
[01:32] <billy> MattJ, hm ... well.  There's only one week to wait to see if it'll get fixed.  Have you filed a bug?
[01:32] <MattJ> No, I have several to file :)
[01:32] <daynah> I feel retarded. I fixed my mounts after an update when they changed from hda1 to sda1... they're in the mnt folder, but they're on my desktop... isn't that the media folder?
[01:32] <billy> Is 4.0 GiB a good size for / ?
[01:32] <MattJ> Depends, I soon outgrew that
[01:32] <billy> daynah, mounted drives appear on desktop.  You can change that if you like.
[01:33] <daynah> Is this a new thing or am I retarded?
[01:33] <GreySim> Anyone know how to get sound working in Firefox on LTSP?
[01:33] <billy> daynah, uh ... is there a third option?
[01:33] <billy> :)
[01:34] <daynah> :P How do I fix it darling?
[01:34] <billy> daynah, alt-f2.  type: gconf-editor
[01:34] <billy> daynah, with me?
[01:34] <daynah> oh yeah
[01:34] <daynah> Takes more than that to lose me :P
[01:35] <billy> apps>nautilus>desktop
[01:35] <billy> uncheck "volumes visible"
[01:35] <daynah> Thanks babe :P
[01:35] <billy> no sweat.
[01:36] <daynah> One day I'm going to forget that I did this, run here screaming "I can't mount to the desktop  Ican't mount to the desktop!"
[01:36] <billy> nah ya won't.
[01:36] <GreySim> !ntfs
[01:36] <gemidjy> is it me or since the latest upgrade of Feisty the system is faster o.0 (kubuntu current)
[01:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:36] <billy> you can get gconf-editor in the Applications>System menu.
[01:36] <GreySim> !ntfs-3g
[01:36] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:36] <fryfrog> So I am having an issue getting my edgy -> feisty system to boot after the upgrade.
[01:37] <fryfrog> I use a RAID1 / and it worked great in edgy
[01:37] <fryfrog> now, for some reason it seems like that sata drivers are not loading at boot
[01:37] <fryfrog> i get dropped into busy box, where i can load the "sata_sil" driver and it detects the drives
[01:37] <billy> daynah, just right click the menu bar, edit menus.  Select Applications>System Tools.  Check Configuration Editor.  :)
[01:37] <MattJ_> Woohoo, fixed
[01:38] <fryfrog> or if i tell the system in grub to use "/dev/sda1" instead of "/dev/md0" it'll at least detect the drives
[01:38] <MattJ_> Feisty stays for now :)
[01:38] <billy> MattJ_, how'd you do it?
[01:38] <MattJ_> Jiggled my xorg.conf, and removed some things I didn't need
[01:38] <fryfrog> i was able to get the raid1 set up, chroot into it and re-generate the initrd image... but it didn't help
[01:38] <daynah> Thanks, Billy. :)
[01:38] <fryfrog> i'm not sure what to do now :/
[01:38] <billy> MattJ_, hmm.... very nice.
[01:39] <billy> your welcome daynah.
[01:39] <MattJ_> Now my only complaint is gparted missing from the installer
[01:39] <daynah> I'm gonna ask and run, got pictures to upload! toots boys and girls!
[01:39] <billy> bye daynah.
[01:39] <MattJ_> The thing they replaced it with is a nightmare to use, cfdisk was easier
[01:40] <billy> if the alternate installer breaks, will the Desktop installer?
[01:40] <MattJ_> I would have guessed so
[01:40] <MattJ_> How much RAM do you have?
[01:40] <fryfrog> also, after updating *none* of the old kernels will boot either
[01:40] <billy> 1 Gig.
[01:41] <MattJ_> Is the CD defective?
[01:41] <billy> MattJ_, no.  I ran three tests.  The first came back negative, the next two positive (passed).  think it's corrupted?
[01:41] <MattJ_> I had a hang in Debian and Ubuntu installers when the accessed the CD too much in one of my PCs
[01:42] <MattJ_> *they
[01:42] <MattJ_> I just swapped the CD drive and it worked, not sure what was wrong
[01:42] <MattJ_> Hmm, I don't know
[01:42] <billy> I'm downloading the LiveCD now.  Maybe it'll work.  I'd like to do a fresh install of Feisty.
[01:42] <MattJ_> Mine came back positive first time
[01:43] <billy> MattJ_, use a separate /home partition?
[01:43] <MattJ_> Yep
[01:43] <billy> If I knew then what I knew now, I would have done the same when I installed Edgy.
[01:43] <MattJ_> It makes a nice clean-up every 6 months :)
[01:44] <billy> MattJ_, you have to re-install all of your programs?
[01:44] <MattJ_> Yes, I do
[01:44] <MattJ_> But settings are preserved
[01:44] <MattJ_> Because they are in /home/.*
[01:45] <fryfrog> damn, what the frak is wrong with it :/
[01:45] <billy> MattJ_, never a version issue?  Like, the newer version uses different "code" or whatever (sorry, I don't know lingo too well).
[01:45] <MattJ_> So far, no problem
[01:46] <billy> MattJ_, so is all the user config stuff in /home/.*?  Or most of it at least?
[01:48] <MattJ_> billy: All per-user is in /home
[01:49] <billy> MattJ_, sweet.  If I ever get Feisty installed, I'm gonna move all of it to my separate /home.
[01:49] <MattJ_> If you think about it, ibdividual users don't have write access to many other places on the disk
[01:49] <billy> think?
[01:49] <MattJ_> Help me out... where did you say you can turn off the mounted drives on the desktop?
[01:50] <billy> alt-f2: gconf-editor.  apps>nautilus>desktop>visible volumes.
[01:50] <billy> I'm getting good at that.  :)
[01:50] <TU> Oka
[01:50] <TU> i am getting WICKED fuckign slow dns lookups
[01:51] <TU> it is definatly something wrong with fiesty
[01:51] <TU> is it a known problem?
[01:51] <DanaG> That's odd:
[01:51] <TU> half my lookups fail
[01:51] <DanaG> nvidia-settings shows overclocking settings,
[01:51] <TU> in /etc/resolv.conf my nameserver is set to my routers address
[01:51] <DanaG> yet when I try to apply anything, it reverts to what it was already set to.
[01:51] <billy> weird.
[01:52] <TU> Unable to connect server irc.efnet.us port 6667 [Name or  service not known] 
[01:52] <TU> i sohuldn't get that.
[01:52] <TU> any idea what the hell is going on
[01:52] <DanaG> I just want to make my 2D clock speeds not so slow -- Beryl is irritating when the GPU drops to low speed.
[01:52] <ixiion> is the rc already released ?
[01:52] <Xappe> TU: try to set the nameservers manually
[01:53] <Sgeo> What time will Ubuntu 7.04 be released?
[01:53] <TU> Xappe: HOW.
[01:53] <TU> Xappe: just change resolv.conf?
[01:53] <billy> !rc
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <Sgeo> And is it out of Beta>
[01:53] <Sgeo> ?
[01:53] <Tm_T> Sgeo: topic
[01:54] <Xappe> TU: look for them in your router's conf page, and put them in /etc/resolv.conf
[01:54] <TU> okay under nameserver?
[01:54] <Tm_T> !topic | Sgeo
[01:54] <ubotu> Sgeo: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:54] <MattJ_> billy: Perfect, thanks :)
[01:54] <Xappe> TU: yes, i've heard ppl getting bad responses when the router handles the lookups
[01:54] <billy> MattJ_, righteously. :)
[01:55] <billy> Now if I could just install Feisty.  :(
[01:55] <TU> Xappe: Okay.  i changed it.
[01:55] <TU> Xappe: do i need to do anything to it... or just wait?
[01:55] <Xappe> TU: probably something like /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:56] <Const> Is RC planning on being released today?
[01:56] <TU> Xappe: No.. that would redhcp
[01:56] <TU> and reset that file i just changed.
[01:56] <TU> it worked
[01:56] <TU> thanks .
[01:57] <billy> wow.
[01:57] <billy> must be a busy guy.
[01:58] <fryfrog> how do you make sure drivers for your hardware gets into the initrd?
[01:58] <fryfrog> it looks like i need ata_piix and sata_sil
[01:58] <Xappe> hehe, I hope I didn't screw his setup :P
[01:59] <billy> Xappe, i'm sure he'll come back.  8|
[01:59] <johnficca> I can't open files with gedit root, when I do this sudo gedit /etc/apt/souces.list it just gets stuck
[01:59] <billy> johnficca, try gksudo gedit
[01:59] <johnficca> ok
[02:00] <johnficca> it opens just the window frame and nothing else
[02:00] <Xappe> billy: he's probably off, looking up hostnames...fast :P
[02:00] <billy> are you sure you're spelling the file correctly?
[02:00] <johnficca> yes
[02:00] <johnficca> any file
[02:01] <johnficca> or even just gedit wont open
[02:01] <billy> try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:01] <aldin> hi, i want to compile something but i get this error QTDIR not set http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15295/
[02:01] <johnficca> yeah that works
[02:02] <Xappe> aldin: do you have the qt dev packages?
[02:02] <Mena> Hi
[02:02] <billy> johnficca, cool.  wonder why gedit is bonked though?
[02:02] <billy> !hi | Mena
[02:02] <ubotu> Mena: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:02] <johnficca> yeah me too
[02:02] <Mena> IS there a problem im some sensors with last kernel
[02:02] <aldin> Xappe, i have libqt-mt
[02:02] <billy> johnficca, maybe a temporary thing.  nano is better anyway.  ;)
[02:02] <Mena> !sensors
[02:02] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[02:03] <Xappe> aldin: do you have libqt-mt-dev?
[02:03] <Mena> So any one uses sensors
[02:03] <Mena> use*
[02:03] <billy> How large should / partition be?  Is 4 GiB enough?
[02:03] <Mena> i guess 10 GIB is better
[02:03] <johnficca> if I try to log in to the root account at the gdm screen it works fine, but then if i log out and try to log in to me account it leaves me with a blank brown screen
[02:04] <johnficca> my
[02:04] <aldin> Xappe, yes i have libqt3-mt-dev
[02:04] <aldin> but there is libqt4 though
[02:04] <BluesKaj> does anyone have DRI on ATI working? ... I miss my google earth :(
[02:05] <Xappe> aldin: it looks like a KDE prog, maybe you need some KDE dev packages too?
[02:05] <voidmage> BluesKaj: what card?
[02:05] <billy> Wow.  Is Ubuntu automatically recognizing new partitions now?  that's awesome!~
[02:05] <voidmage> it works for me on X800 (highest card DRI supports, iirc)
[02:05] <aldin> it asks for QTDIR btw site is http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KTrafficAnalyzer?content=22134
[02:06] <aldin> Xappe, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15295/
[02:06] <BluesKaj> ati xpress200
[02:08] <voidmage> should be as simple as changing your xorg.conf to use 'radeon' instead of vesa or ati or whatever
[02:08] <aldin> Xappe, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15297/ that is the script that makes me a problem...
[02:09] <DanaG> Oh, you also have to PURGE fglrx.
[02:10] <voidmage> and reinstall some package
[02:10] <voidmage> apt-get --reinstall install libglu1-mesa
[02:10] <Xappe> aldin: have you tried what the INSTALL file mentions? export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3
[02:11] <aldin> Xappe, nope... i will try now... sorry
[02:11] <Xappe> aldin: np, good luck
[02:11] <aldin> Xappe, thanks
[02:11] <DanaG> I just sudo aptitude reinstall
[02:12] <DanaG> At least compared to regular apt.
[02:12] <voidmage> never saw what made aptitude any better
[02:12] <DanaG> It has a nifty GUI
[02:12] <voidmage> if i want a gui i use synaptic
[02:12] <DanaG> and it has nice dependency handling -- far better than Synaptic.
[02:12] <voidmage> installed that on kde just because it beats adept on a lot of stuff
[02:12] <billy> voidmage, they say it handles dependencies better, but I don't know for myself.
[02:13] <voidmage> generally with apt if i remove stuff it marks its dependencies for autoremoval
[02:13] <DanaG> For example, if you upgrade X that conflicts with Y<version and requires Y>= version,
[02:13] <billy> voidmage, only time I use aptitude is to install metapackages like kubuntu-desktop.
[02:13] <DanaG> aptitude will suggest DOWNGRADE, whereas Synaptic will just REMOVE.
[02:13] <voidmage> what would apt-get do in that case?
[02:14] <DanaG> Oh, and for big -dev packages, such as xorg-dev, it's far better -- you can remove when done.\
[02:14] <voidmage> yeah, i do have a bunch of random libs lying around
[02:14] <voidmage> not like they slow stuff down though
[02:14] <fryfrog> Does anyone know why my initrd wouldn't work, even if it has modules for the devices i need?
[02:15] <fryfrog> sata_sil and ata_piix?
[02:15] <DanaG> And sometimes I get "100% of the disk space on / is in use".
[02:15] <fryfrog> i'm booting to busy box :/
[02:15] <DanaG> With no warning beforehand.
[02:15] <billy> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[02:15] <voidmage> heh
[02:15] <voidmage> 250GB just for /
[02:15] <voidmage> 500 on /home
[02:15] <voidmage> :P
[02:15] <voidmage> heh
[02:15] <DanaG> 5gigs Fat32 for shared stuff such as Firefox and Thunderbird profiles.
[02:16] <voidmage> buy a new drive, they're cheap now
[02:16] <DanaG> They call it 80, but it's 75.
[02:16] <DanaG> 5400RPM.  Notebook.  :(
[02:16] <voidmage> external?
[02:16] <shasbot> why do i have 184 updates available all of a sudden?
[02:16] <voidmage> did you run an apt-get update?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> voidmage: I'm using the fglrx driver listed in system settings ..where in the xor-cong file do I make the changes you suggest ?
[02:16] <voidmage> BluesKaj: what i'd recommend is unless you have a very specific setup
[02:16] <BluesKaj> err xorg-conf
[02:17] <voidmage> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:17] <voidmage> select ati driver
[02:17] <voidmage> then go into your xorg.conf
[02:17] <voidmage> and change ati to radeon
[02:17] <billy> Wish me luck.
[02:17] <voidmage> it's under the "device" section
[02:17] <voidmage> then make sure to purge fglrx
[02:17] <voidmage> and reinstall libglu1-mesa
[02:18] <BluesKaj> voidmage: there is no ati option in xserver-xorg
[02:18] <voidmage> hrm
[02:18] <voidmage> actually, any option is good
[02:18] <voidmage> even vesa is fine
[02:19] <BluesKaj> already been there 3 times due to instructions on other pages to do with DRI , that don't work on Feisty :)
[02:19] <voidmage> did you remember to change it manually to radeon?
[02:19] <voidmage> strange though you don't even have an ati option
[02:20] <BluesKaj> I have the ati option in system settings
[02:20] <voidmage> also strange
[02:20] <DanaG> it doesn't give an option of synaptics or evdev,
[02:20] <DanaG> or nvidia.
[02:20] <voidmage> I just use debconf to get a basic xorg.conf back
[02:21] <voidmage> like after, for example, removing fglrx
[02:21] <BluesKaj> yes there is a synaptics option IIRC
[02:22] <iXneonXi> is the networking bug release critical?
[02:22] <voidmage> the rdesktop one?
[02:22] <iXneonXi> the icon
[02:22] <voidmage> not sure what bug that is
[02:22] <voidmage> link?
[02:22] <iXneonXi> the animation says you're offline or disconnected
[02:22] <iXneonXi> let me get link
[02:23] <iXneonXi> couldn't find it on Launchpad
[02:23] <DanaG> But not evdev.
[02:23] <iXneonXi> but i've heard other people mention it
[02:24] <iXneonXi> Even though you're online and can do online stuff, the networking icon for the wired connection says you're disconnected
[02:24] <Darwin> What is meant by "Production Systems"?
[02:24] <iXneonXi> Darwin, critical data
[02:25] <iXneonXi> as in, don't install it on the computer that you do important work you must not lose on, or your primary OS
[02:25] <voidmage> aka don't put it on your big company server
[02:25] <voidmage> :P
[02:25] <voidmage> (should probably be using dapper if you're even using ubuntu on there)
[02:25] <iXneonXi> that falls under critical data, no xD?
[02:25] <iXneonXi> lol, ubuntu server
[02:25] <Darwin> Thanks for clearing that up
[02:26] <iXneonXi> so.... Should I use Desktop Effects or something else. I'm using the restricted driver and I have a Radeon 9600XT
[02:27] <voidmage> you can't use any effects with fglrx
[02:27] <iXneonXi> so umm
[02:27] <iXneonXi> what should I do
[02:27] <voidmage> you could remove fglrx and use DRI instead, then you could use beryl/effects
[02:28] <voidmage> hang on, i'll see what the status of your card is
[02:28] <iXneonXi> ez instructions?
[02:28] <voidmage> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:28] <voidmage> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libglu1-mesa
[02:28] <voidmage> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:29] <voidmage> select ati driver
[02:29] <iXneonXi> will that make my google desktop lag again?
[02:29] <iXneonXi> * i mean
[02:29] <iXneonXi> Google Earth
[02:29] <voidmage> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, changing 'ati' in the device section to radeon
[02:29] <voidmage> iXneonXi: i use DRI i'll check quickly
[02:29] <voidmage> it might
[02:30] <iXneonXi> fglrx made Google Earth not lag but now I can't use all the eye candy, so hopefully fixing stuff up won't mess up my other software thanx for checking
[02:31] <voidmage> if google earth doesn't run well in DRI
[02:31] <voidmage> i still have defcon
[02:31] <voidmage> :P
[02:31] <voidmage> google earth works okay
[02:31] <voidmage> a bit slow
[02:31] <voidmage> but other than that it's usable
[02:32] <voidmage> also it flickers a bit
[02:32] <voidmage> but again, still somewhat usable
[02:35] <Aldante_Fax> Hey dudes, I am experiencing a weird problem in Feisty - every other time I reboot, I lose access to my network and the internet - troublesome because I usually remote terminal into this given box.
[02:35] <Aldante_Fax> It's fixed by restarting again, but like, any ideas?
[02:37] <jtt> Aldante_Fax: does it use dhcp or static addr
[02:39] <aldin> can we order 7.04 cd-s? cause there is link to order 7.04 but on next page it shows 6.06?
[02:40] <Firefoxman> Help!
[02:40] <Firefoxman> My internet does not work?
[02:41] <Firefoxman> After I updated,
[02:41] <Firefoxman> GNOME clames my internet is dead!
[02:41] <Firefoxman> FF works, but GAIM dosnt.
[02:42] <jtt> aldin: you can download the daily if you have a fast link
[02:43] <voidmage> to whoever was asking about google earth
[02:43] <voidmage> no, it locked up my box hard
[02:44] <poningru> Firefoxman: hehe known bug
[02:44] <poningru> oh pwnt
[02:44] <poningru> hope that got through
[02:44] <aldin> jtt, yeah.. but i asked cause i have ordered some cd-s and i dont know are they 7.04 or 6.06.. because of the confusing numbers
[02:45] <iXneonXi> yah
[02:45] <iXneonXi> weird networking bug
[02:45] <iXneonXi> It lists me offline...
[02:46] <linux_kid> Howdo I make bcm43xx speed up past 11MB/s ??
[02:46] <voidmage> aldin: when did you order then?
[02:47] <voidmage> if it was this week, they'll be feisty
[02:47] <voidmage> not sure about before
[02:47] <voidmage> those might still be dapper
[02:47] <iXneonXi> voidmage: so, Google Earth is a tad bit laggy, but do you have awesome effects installed?
[02:47] <voidmage> iXneonXi:
[02:47] <voidmage> nope
[02:47] <voidmage> google earth crashed my box hard
[02:47] <voidmage> locked up completely
[02:47] <voidmage> couldn't kill google earth, restart x, kill it over ssh, couldn't even alt+sysrq
[02:47] <voidmage> had to flip the power switch to fix it
[02:48] <voidmage> my real advice
[02:48] <aldin> voidmage, today
[02:48] <voidmage> get a nvidia card
[02:48] <voidmage> yeah, those will be feisty
[02:48] <voidmage> i'm ordering a pack of ubuntu and kubuntu feisty cds
[02:48] <voidmage> because they're great to have around
[02:48] <aldin> voidmage, sure?
[02:48] <voidmage> yeah
[02:48] <Aldante_Fax> jtt: static address
[02:48] <iXneonXi> lol
[02:48] <aldin> voidmage, ok, great
[02:48] <Taim> any particular reason I cannot install kvm?  Am I missing a repository?
[02:48] <iXneonXi> voidmage, did that really happen ?
[02:49] <iXneonXi> ^it sounded overkill
[02:49] <BluesKaj> tried using the radeons as you suggedted but the best frame rate was only 55hz ... too flickery
[02:49] <voidmage> iXneonXi: nope
[02:49] <voidmage> really happened
[02:49] <Taim> kvm: Depends: kvm-api-9 but it is not installable: is what I get on install attempt.
[02:49] <voidmage> Current Request Details
[02:49] <voidmage>     * 3 Kubuntu CDs for PC
[02:49] <voidmage>     * 8 Ubuntu CDs for PC
[02:49] <voidmage>     * 2 Ubuntu CDs for 64-bit PC
[02:49] <iXneonXi> In other words, because I use my Radeon 9600XT, Eye Candies don't like me because I'm on the dark side of the force...
[02:49] <macd> !kvm-api-9
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm-api-9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <voidmage> !info kvm
[02:49] <voidmage> !info kvm-api-9
[02:50] <ubotu> kvm: Full virtualization on x86 hardware. In component universe, is optional. Version 16-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 474 kB, installed size 1440 kB
[02:50] <ubotu> Package kvm-api-9 does not exist in feisty
[02:50] <macd> Taim, and now you know.
[02:50] <voidmage> must be broken right now
[02:50] <Taim> gotcha.
[02:50] <gavintlgold> hello... Can someone go to system>preferences>preffered applications and tell me what the default command for firefox is... thanks.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> bummer .. Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:50] <voidmage> default command for firefox should be 'firefox'
[02:51] <voidmage> and by right now i mean for a while since we're frozen
[02:51] <voidmage> :P
[02:51] <gavintlgold> not firefox %s or something?
[02:51] <gavintlgold> never mind
[02:51] <gavintlgold> it is %s
[02:51] <gavintlgold> i was using %u
[02:51] <macd> Taim, FYI http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/kvm shows all depends and status.
[02:52] <voidmage> anyways
[02:52] <Taim> voidmage, macd: thanks.
[02:52] <voidmage> kvm looks broken right now
[02:52] <DanaG> Oh hey, how do you USE kvm>
[02:52] <DanaG> ?
[02:52] <voidmage> !kvm
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <iXneonXi> gotta have a proc
[02:52] <xtknight> is RC out?
[02:52] <aubade> Don't think so.
[02:52] <voidmage> yep.
[02:52] <DanaG> Oh, I installed the watchdog package, because I saw that I have iTCO_wdt
[02:53] <xtknight> new kernel will be coming to solve the kvm problem
[02:53] <DanaG> which, by the way, is NOT blacklisted!
[02:53] <voidmage> tty switched from 'ubuntu 7.04 development version' to 'ubuntu 7.04' today
[02:53] <DanaG> It's capitalized that way.
[02:53] <xtknight> ah
[02:53] <xtknight> ya mine did
[02:53] <BluesKaj> voidmage: do you know the CLI command choosing the default browser...I've lost my text file with the common commands due to kernel damage on the lastupgrade .
[02:53] <aubade> void: Noticed the change of lsb_release, but is there an image up?
[02:53] <aubade> Ah hell, I'll just grab today's build. :P
[02:53] <macd> I dont think the RC is out, theyre shooting for the weekend
[02:53] <xtknight> updates still comin in
[02:53] <xtknight> hmm
[02:54] <iXneonXi> yah
[02:54] <voidmage> image is still the beta
[02:54] <iXneonXi> I got like 6 updates earlier
[02:54] <voidmage> but you can easily upgrade to RC from there
[02:54] <aubade> Had too many problems with parted in the beta.
[02:54] <voidmage> weird.
[02:54] <voidmage> i've been running fine since herd 3
[02:54] <xtknight> same
[02:54] <xtknight> i rarely have problems with any beta software
[02:54] <xtknight> its' like im immune
[02:54] <voidmage> heh, and herd is considered alpha
[02:55] <aubade> Had the same issues with Debian ages ago but those were apparently resolved before the 4.0 final. Namely it not listing the partitions for my first HDD.
[02:55] <voidmage> only issue i had with herd 3 was a beryl thing that was kind of my fault
[02:55] <xtknight> i never try it at least until the first herd tho
[02:55] <arejay> anyone had weird problems with networkmanager in feisty disappearing?
[02:55] <voidmage> apparently beryl and yakuake don't play nice under radeon DRI on a X800 card
[02:55] <xtknight> arejay, yes
[02:55] <arejay> k :)
[02:55] <xtknight> network manager is disastrous
[02:56] <arejay> lol, but its nifty (tm) !
[02:56] <voidmage> every time i open or close yakuake while running beryl there's about a 15% chance X will crash
[02:56] <xtknight> sometimes mine isnt even up there.  i dont get why we dont just use the gnome networking thing
[02:56] <voidmage> solution: use a konsole
[02:56] <voidmage> :P
[02:56] <iXneonXi> I hope I can get Beryl on my 9600XT. I want Snow!!
[02:56] <xtknight> it works 500x better
[02:56] <aubade> Any idea on what card lines the nvidia-glx-legacy supports? I mean, what's the cutting point between it and nvidia-glx? GF2?
[02:56] <xtknight> GF4
[02:57] <xtknight> hmm
[02:57] <xtknight> gf4 is between glx and glx-new
[02:57] <xtknight> i dont know about legacy
[02:57] <voidmage> heh.
[02:57] <aubade> glx-new is new to me. o:
[02:57] <voidmage> i used to have an original GFMX400
[02:57] <aldin> what package do i need for this error? http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15303/
[02:57] <billy> I downloaded both alternate and desktop ISO's.  Both md5's checked good.  Both failed to install at "select and install files".  Any idea what's going on?
[02:57] <voidmage> that was fun
[02:57] <voidmage> no fan on it
[02:57] <voidmage> just a heatsink
[02:57] <RAOF> I think Geforce 2 is the limit of glx-legacy
[02:57] <iXneonXi> voidmage, you think it's possible for me to get Snow effects on my 9600?
[02:57] <aubade> Alright.
[02:57] <voidmage> i don't know if snow is in beryl right now
[02:57] <voidmage> i know rain is
[02:57] <voidmage> that was recently setup when DRI supported shaders
[02:58] <iXneonXi> Well
[02:58] <iXneonXi> should rain work?
[02:58] <RAOF> iXneonXi: Yes, you can.  With Compiz, and compiz-extra
[02:58] <iXneonXi> oh ok
[02:58] <voidmage> aldin: did ./configure say anything?
[02:58] <DanaG>  e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[02:58] <iXneonXi> RAOF: should I be using fglrx or the "radeon"
[02:58] <voidmage> radeon
[02:58] <RAOF> radeon.  Fglrx will only be a world of hurt.
[02:58] <voidmage> fglrx does NOT support composite yet
[02:58] <macd> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/nvidia-glx-legacy   GF2 it is.
[02:58] <DanaG> Yakauke doesn't play nicely with Beryl anyway, at least the last time I tried (over a month ago).
[02:58] <voidmage> DanaG: yep
[02:58] <voidmage> that was my only issue with beryl
[02:58] <voidmage> since herd
[02:58] <voidmage> 3
[02:59] <billy> !ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <ubotu> For help with 3d desktop effects applications or drivers please join #ubuntu-effects, someone there will be glad to help you. You can read http://forum.beryl-project.org/ for most common problems or questions.
[02:59] <aldin> voidmage, no, there is no configure only make and make install
[02:59] <iXneonXi> ok
[02:59] <iXneonXi> there's a room for it
[02:59] <iXneonXi> good
[03:00] <HorizonXP> hey, anyone having any issues with deskbar-applet?
[03:01] <RAOF> HorizonXP: What sort of issues.  Worksforme :)
[03:03] <HorizonXP> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429107
[03:03] <ubotu> Gnome bug 429107 in general "Beagle-live error when trying to open files or folders" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[03:03] <HorizonXP> that's the bug report i filed
[03:04] <HorizonXP> holy crap, that's so cool, it picked up the bug report?
[03:04] <HorizonXP> nice job ubotu
[03:04] <xtknight> :P
[03:04] <iXneonXi> lol
[03:04] <xtknight> some people are amazed by such simple things :D
[03:04] <xtknight> it's psychic actually
[03:04] <iXneonXi> scripts xDDD
[03:05] <aubade> !snack
[03:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:06] <hikenboot> hello all anyone have any docs on how to remaster ubuntu fiesty?
[03:06] <xtknight> !customlivecd
[03:06] <ubotu> Creating custom Live CDs is explained on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[03:06] <xtknight> should be very similar for feisty, cant confirm it either way
[03:07] <DanaG> I mean, even at login, or at loading-desktop-after-nautilus-crashes.
[03:07] <DanaG> s/even/it does it/
[03:11] <thill2708> I have very high idle CPU usage with no major procs running. What's the deal? It hovers around 20% for no reason.
[03:11] <HorizonXP> ok so no one can help with my bug?
[03:11] <xtknight> thill2708, type gnome-system-monitor
[03:12] <xtknight> thill2708, click resources tab and see if it's I/O or general cpu
[03:12] <thill2708> yup, definately cpu load
[03:12] <xtknight> type "top" in the terminal
[03:12] <xtknight> what is using cpu?
[03:13] <thill2708> ksysguard, xorg,suprkaramba, knetworkmanager, etc, but they are all small %'s that add up (obviously)
[03:13] <thill2708> xorg is using ~3.7
[03:13] <xtknight> hmm
[03:13] <thill2708> ksysguard peaks to ~ 7.6
[03:13] <xtknight> thill2708, what cpu are you running?
[03:14] <xtknight> Xorg is 0% (per core) even when doing stuff here.  Core  2 duo e6300 though.
[03:14] <thill2708> am turion 64, but running 32bit apps
[03:14] <thill2708> amd*
[03:14] <xtknight> actually it can spike to 10
[03:14] <Toma-> is anyone else experiencing the last character getting dropped from networkmanager still?
[03:14] <xtknight> hmm
[03:14] <xtknight> Toma-, last character of what?
[03:14] <Toma-> of the essid
[03:14] <xtknight> hm
[03:14] <xtknight> dunno i run Wired
[03:14] <xtknight> thill2708, is updatedb running?
[03:15] <thill2708> Now, on launch pad, I found that if you put echo 1 > /sys/module/processor/parameters/max_cstate in your rc.local script, it'll "fix" everything, but I'd really not like to have to do that.
[03:15] <thill2708> xtknight; nope, I don't see it
[03:15] <thill2708> I'd prefer not to mess with arcane system settings I don't know about
[03:15] <xtknight> so it's a C-state problem?
[03:15] <DanaG> Oh, beryl bug:
[03:15] <DanaG> Grab the cube
[03:15] <thill2708> That's the thing; I don't even know what a c-state is
[03:15] <xtknight> what freq is your cpu running at now?  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:16] <thill2708> hence my reluctancwe
[03:16] <DanaG> hold spacebar.  FREEZE -- 1/2 second per key repeat.
[03:16] <thill2708> it's running at 800mhz (cpu scaling down to 50% at the mo)
[03:16] <xtknight> a C state is a level at which the CPU runs, like a lower voltage sometimes
[03:16] <thill2708> hm
[03:16] <xtknight> to save power
[03:16] <xtknight> and it is slowr
[03:16] <xtknight> but i dont think that's your problem
[03:17] <xtknight> thill2708, add the gnome system monitor applet to your panel
[03:17] <vittico> hello guys!
[03:17] <xtknight> that will help you figure out what kind of CPU access it is
[03:17] <thill2708> xtknight; I'm running ksysguard (using kubuntu)
[03:17] <thill2708> is that what you mean?
[03:17] <xtknight> ohh
[03:17] <xtknight> hmm
[03:17] <xtknight> sorry dont know about K
[03:17] <xtknight> sec
[03:17] <xtknight> ksysguard is pretty thorough though isnt it?
[03:17] <thill2708> I don't think it would be a kde specific problem
[03:17] <thill2708> ooh yeah
[03:18] <vittico> is there any ubuntu-server channel? i tried looking at the server list, but or i missed it or it doesn't exist
[03:18] <vittico> :)
[03:18] <xtknight> i dont think so
[03:19] <xtknight> thill2708, if it's just a bunch of processes taking up 20 cumulatively im not sure
[03:19] <vittico> where is the best place to discuss some ideas regarding server? :)
[03:19] <xtknight> which ones, for example are using >12?
[03:19] <xtknight> greater than 2 percent (>2) *
[03:19] <xtknight> vittico, ideas as in proposals ?
[03:19] <hikenboot> why is feisty so much faster than previous versions? It screams!
[03:19] <xtknight> questions can go in #ubuntu
[03:19] <xtknight> hikenboot, i feel the same speed.  it's just..feistier
[03:20] <xtknight> kernel update maybe
[03:21] <vittico> xtknight: :) is there any (for example) specific roadmap to features to server? so i can read it and do not start a discussion or proposal on something already done ?
[03:21] <thill2708> wtf? bash grep adn sed just peaked my cpu
[03:21] <xtknight> thill2708, hehe
[03:21] <xtknight> hmm
[03:21] <thill2708> xorg continues to rumble at 3%
[03:21] <xtknight> maybe your cpu is just running at too low of a voltage then.  i dont know
[03:21] <xtknight> vittico, sorry i'm not sure.
[03:21] <xtknight> vittico, ask in #ubuntu
[03:21] <hikenboot> I have 1 gig ram 3 virtual machines running in vmware and half a dozen programs running and it still flies!
[03:21] <thill2708> xtknight; do you know the dangers of messing with cstates?
[03:22] <xtknight> thill2708, pretty much no danger
[03:22] <vittico> xtknight: i am a sysadmin, debian and suse mostly and i would really like to use ubuntu as a server, i would like to discuss some ideas and suggestions to what would be nice to have imho off course
[03:22] <xtknight> thill2708, might sound scary...but only if you're afraid of the unknown
[03:22] <thill2708> xtknight; eh, would rather just not bork anything if I don't have to
[03:22] <xtknight> thill2708, yeah i understand
[03:22] <xtknight> thill2708, i dont think itll fix it anyway
[03:22] <vittico> xtknight: i'll ask in ubuntu :)
[03:22] <xtknight> thill2708, it's still odd this is happening even at 800mhz
[03:23] <xtknight> vittico, okay
[03:23] <thill2708> xtknight; plus, if there's some kernel upgrade or something that comes down the pipe later, I wouldn't want this to interfere with it, me forget, and be back in here ranting ;)
[03:23] <xtknight> thill2708, feisty w/ all updates there right?
[03:23] <thill2708> yup yup
[03:23] <xtknight> thill2708, did you try a Ubun or Xubun cd?
[03:23] <xtknight> maybe it's only K?
[03:23] <thill2708> hm, no I didn't
[03:23] <xtknight> doubt it but i dont have any other suggestions really
[03:24] <xtknight> you could try tracing it if you wnated
[03:24] <xtknight> wanted*
[03:24] <xtknight> thill2708, ltrace -p `pidof X`
[03:24] <xtknight> not that that will be very useful
[03:24] <xtknight> might tlel you what's goig on
[03:24] <thill2708> argh, just rebooted with the cstate mod
[03:24] <xtknight> oh wait it might crash your X not sure lol
[03:25] <thill2708> haha
[03:26] <thill2708> I would actually really like to have this cstate thing to /not/ work because I would be depressed to know that a simple thing or something like this would slip by the devs
[03:27] <xtknight> well it's sort of...not a bug
[03:27] <xtknight> youre just speeding up your cpu
[03:27] <xtknight> at least as far as I know.
[03:28] <xtknight> where on Launchpad did you see this "fix"?
[03:28] <thill2708> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/30570/comments/18
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 30570 in linux-source-2.6.15 "CPU usage very high with no running tasks using it (dup-of: 30557)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[03:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 30557 in linux-source-2.6.15 "cpu idle time in /proc/stat wrong" [Medium,Fix released] 
[03:28] <thill2708> yeah, didn't work
[03:29] <thill2708> and the ltrace cmd well, yeah, it made my computer turn itself inside out ;)
[03:29] <xtknight> hm it printed two bugs huh
[03:29] <xtknight> lol ubotu could go in an infinite loop if both had bug#s in them
[03:29] <xtknight> not good
[03:29] <xtknight> anyway back to your problem :P
[03:30] <xtknight> thill2708, ltrace didnt even work on mine
[03:30] <xtknight> you'd need sudo
[03:30] <thill2708> yeah, I di
[03:30] <thill2708> d
[03:30] <thill2708> hard lock
[03:31] <xtknight> lol
[03:31] <xtknight> had a taste of my own medicine
[03:31] <xtknight> well i had no idea it would do that.
[03:31] <thill2708> yeah, cpu's at 100% at boot
[03:31] <xtknight> i expected helpful debug msgs ;(
[03:31] <thill2708> backs down to around ~20%
[03:31] <xtknight> press Magic SysRq K to get out of the ltrace problem
[03:31] <xtknight> heh
[03:31] <xtknight> that kills X and everything
[03:32] <xtknight> yours froze like mine?
[03:32] <xtknight> the sudo ltrace -p `pidof X` cmd?
[03:32] <thill2708> yeah
[03:32] <xtknight> it's still frozen?
[03:32] <thill2708> rebooted ;)
[03:32] <xtknight> press Alt SysRq+K
[03:32] <xtknight> awww
[03:32] <thill2708> nah, it's real quick to boot
[03:33] <thill2708> scrolling the konsole should not put my cpu at ~45%! :(
[03:33] <xtknight> well i love sysrq.  gets you out of everything
[03:33] <xtknight> thill2708, do you have your video drivers installed?
[03:33] <thill2708> fglrx
[03:33] <thill2708> yup
[03:33] <xtknight> i have nvidia and i stil get some CPU on drawing ops
[03:33] <thill2708> the unnamed one
[03:33] <xtknight> theme engine i figured out
[03:33] <HorizonXP> does anyone have any issues with deskbar-applet and beagle-live
[03:33] <xtknight> murrine couldnt be accelerated but clearlooks could
[03:34] <catid> has anyone tried using Anticipatory instead of CFQ I/O scheduling on their desktop lately?
[03:34] <xtknight> my problems used to be more serious but scrolling thru the console doesnt slow me down now
[03:34] <xtknight> nope.  CFQ is supposed to be a lot better,no ?
[03:34] <catid> it's not for throughput, likely better for fairness
[03:34] <xtknight> ahh
[03:35] <thill2708> xtknight; I'd venture to say taht it's the fact taht I'm using an SMP kernel, and I should switch to 386 (like those comments in the bug report mentioned), but feisty now uses a main meta kernel and decides which one to use for you,right?
[03:36] <xtknight> thill2708, i dont think that's the reason.  if you're using the -generic it will dynamically optimize for your system (not sure of the specifics)
[03:36] <thill2708> hm
[03:39] <HorizonXP> hey deskbar and beagle-live don't work for me on Feisty
[03:39] <HorizonXP> they did on Edgy
[03:39] <HorizonXP> no one has any idea why?
[03:39] <xtknight> they dont "work"?
[03:39] <HorizonXP> well
[03:39] <HorizonXP> they do
[03:39] <HorizonXP> but not together, properly
[03:39] <HorizonXP> i get results, but i can't open files or folders
[03:39] <HorizonXP> it says it cannot find the URL
[03:40] <HorizonXP> in Beagle's own search tool, it works fien
[03:40] <Aldante_Fax> I have a question regarding festival
[03:40] <HorizonXP> i filed a bug report on the Gnome Bugzilla
[03:40] <Aldante_Fax> Or rather, I would like some guidance into getting festival set up and performing certain tasks
[03:40] <xtknight> HorizonXP, hmm .  steps to reproduce?
[03:40] <HorizonXP> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429107
[03:40] <ubotu> Gnome bug 429107 in general "Beagle-live error when trying to open files or folders" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[03:41] <HorizonXP> apparently, Beagle's index has file:///path/to/the/file/or/folder
[03:41] <HorizonXP> but beagle-live.py expects it to not have that leading file://
[03:41] <HorizonXP> kinda leads me to think that Beagle changed something in its index format
[03:43] <xtknight> HorizonXP, what's a simple test case with which i can confirm it?
[03:43] <HorizonXP> uhh....
[03:43] <HorizonXP> type a file name in deskbar-applet, wait for Beagle to return live results
[03:44] <HorizonXP> click on the result to open it... it won't open
[03:44] <HorizonXP> i don't know anymore outside that
[03:45] <xtknight> ok well i have never used it before
[03:45] <HorizonXP> hmm...
[03:45] <xtknight> figuring it out sec
[03:45] <HorizonXP> ah ok
[03:45] <HorizonXP> well, to get it to work
[03:46] <HorizonXP> you apt-get deskbar-applet and beagled
[03:46] <xtknight> well some results open
[03:46] <HorizonXP> run beagled
[03:46] <HorizonXP> go Add to Panel on your panel, and add Deskbar to it
[03:46] <xtknight> no clue what im doing.  i typed "songs" and totem opened out of the blue but  had a file named "songs" on my destop
[03:46] <HorizonXP> ok, hold on
[03:46] <HorizonXP> right click the deskbar applet, and go Preferences
[03:47] <HorizonXP> do you have the Beagle Live plugin checked?
[03:47] <xtknight> "Beagle"?
[03:47] <xtknight> not at the moment
[03:47] <HorizonXP> yeah
[03:47] <HorizonXP> that's where the problem lies
[03:48] <xtknight> ok so this will enable me to search for files
[03:48] <xtknight> from beagle's index
[03:48] <HorizonXP> yes
[03:48] <xtknight> (which is the same as updatedb i believe)
[03:48] <HorizonXP> i guess so
[03:48] <HorizonXP> i didn't know that
[03:48] <xtknight> i'm not even getting file results with it
[03:48] <HorizonXP> do you have the Beagle Live plugin available?
[03:48] <xtknight> i'm getting like amazon
[03:49] <HorizonXP> did you check the box in preferences?
[03:49] <HorizonXP> beagled has to be running
[03:49] <xtknight> just an extension called "Beagle" no Live.  but i enabled it.
[03:49] <Infinity__> My friend just downloaded the latest Fiesty Update and now is unable to boot back into ubuntu. The update changed something with his kernal... Is there any way he can salvage his system?
[03:49] <HorizonXP> yeah
[03:49] <HorizonXP> that's different
[03:49] <xtknight> 23645 ?        Sl     0:08 beagled /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --replace --bg
[03:49] <xtknight> 23879 ?        SNl    0:34 beagled-helper /usr/lib/beagle/IndexHelper.exe
[03:49] <riffic> oh fun. feisty seems to not like my usb mice. they're locking up for some reason and lsusb locks up too
[03:49] <xtknight> riffic, sounds like a bad mouse or usb controller
[03:49] <xtknight> riffic, if you unplug the mouse does lsusb work
[03:49] <riffic> xtknight: tried it with different mice
[03:50] <riffic> unplugging doesn't unfreeze lsusb
[03:50] <riffic> gotta ctrl-c it
[03:50] <xtknight> i suggest getting a PCI USB controller, very likely a usb controller problem
[03:50] <xtknight> unless it works with other linux
[03:50] <riffic> its an intermittent issue
[03:50] <riffic> the mouse works after a reboot =?
[03:51] <xtknight> Infinity__, several ways but none that you may deem "easy" or "straightforward"
[03:51] <xtknight> hmm
[03:51] <HorizonXP> xtknight: apt-get install python-beagle
[03:51] <riffic> i'll try plugging it into the ports on the back
[03:51] <Infinity__> xtknight: Could you perhaps give me an example of what would need to be do?
[03:51] <xtknight> HorizonXP, gotcha
[03:51] <xtknight> Infinity__, he wants to salvage the system or just get his data off?
[03:51] <riffic> usb keyboard is plugged into the rear ports and it still works
[03:51] <luis_lopez> Hi, does network manager support dial up connections? (i.e. cellular modems)
[03:51] <xtknight> luis_lopez, yes
[03:52] <Infinity__> xtknight: Well he would like to be able to boot back into his ubuntu
[03:52] <xtknight> i know it supports dialup i dont know about 'cell modems' though
[03:52] <Infinity__> but if its harder than reformatting then maybe its not worth it
[03:52] <xtknight> network manager has been having issues
[03:52] <xtknight> i would hold off on the bug filing until they release some patches
[03:52] <xtknight> Infinity__, well does he have a list of kernels at bootup?
[03:52] <xtknight> he should
[03:52] <riffic> oh rear ports dont work now
[03:53] <riffic> well the keyboard still works but the mouse doesn't show up on the rear port
[03:53] <riffic> could this be a udev related issue and how would I find out?
[03:53] <luis_lopez> xtknight, thanks.
[03:53] <xtknight> riffic, are you sure it isnt a hardware problem, though?
[03:53] <Infinity__> xtknight: nop
[03:53] <xtknight> Infinity__, well what does he see at bootup?  not grub?
[03:53] <riffic> it could be either or at this point but I know these mice work fine on other computers
[03:54] <riffic> as for the controller.. its possible
[03:54] <Infinity__> xtknight: Let me ask
[03:54] <xtknight> HorizonXP, then?
[03:54] <riffic> ipod works when plugged into the usb port that didn't like the mouse
[03:54] <xtknight> (got python beagle )
[03:54] <HorizonXP> remove the deskbar applet, and readd it to restart it
[03:54] <HorizonXP> go to Preferences again, and see if Beagle Live is there
[03:54] <xtknight> HorizonXP, gotcha, added Live
[03:54] <HorizonXP> enable it and try again
[03:54] <HorizonXP> ok, don't hit enter when you enter ur query
[03:54] <HorizonXP> just watch the results fill up
[03:55] <xtknight> HorizonXP, can i just disable Amazon/etc so they arent in the way?
[03:55] <HorizonXP> yeah you can
[03:55] <xtknight> HorizonXP, documents open for me.  but oddly enough they are blank?
[03:55] <Infinity__> xtknight: he says it gets past grub, into the loading screen, gets barley anywhere on the bar, and goes to a command prompt that is not bash
[03:55] <xtknight> let me try some more stuff
[03:55] <HorizonXP> please don't tell me it works fine for you...
[03:56] <xtknight> HorizonXP, yeah the file exists and is not blank.  when i clicked on it in beagle it's as if the Doc was lbank
[03:56] <xtknight> no it doesn't workk.
[03:56] <xtknight> not properly at least
[03:56] <HorizonXP> the doc's blank?
[03:56] <HorizonXP> thas weird
[03:56] <xtknight> it wiped it
[03:56] <xtknight> but thankfully i didnt save
[03:56] <HorizonXP> ok, try entering a known folder
[03:56] <HorizonXP> see if it opens in nautilus
[03:56] <xtknight> yup
[03:56] <xtknight> ~/music/
[03:56] <HorizonXP> it does?
[03:56] <HorizonXP> crap
[03:56] <HorizonXP> mine doesn't :(
[03:57] <xtknight> Infinity__, tell him to try another kernel
[03:57] <xtknight> hmm
[03:57] <xtknight> HorizonXP, reinstall associated pkgs?  what's the err?
[03:57] <xtknight> you can run applets from the terminal also and get some stdout/stderr Msgs
[03:57] <HorizonXP> i have the error described on that bugzilla pae
[03:57] <HorizonXP> i'm reinstallilng beagle now
[03:57] <riffic> xtknight is there anything I can do in the terminal to find out whats going on with the usb stuff?
[03:57] <xtknight> riffic, dmesg is all i know at this point.  lsusb shouldnt be freezing though. that's scary
[03:58] <riffic> yeah
[03:58] <riffic> any pertinent logs I can look at ?
[03:58] <HorizonXP> xtknight: yeah, doesn't work still
[03:58] <xtknight> riffic, dmesg is the klog
[03:59] <Toma-> /var/log/messages aswell
[03:59] <catid> /var/log/syslog sometimes helps
[03:59] <Infinity__> xknight: He says it says something about debian and ubuntu and you can type help for a list of commands
[04:00] <xtknight> Infinity__, is he ata initramfs/busybox prompt?
[04:00] <xtknight> at an*
[04:00] <xtknight> or is it GRUB prompt?
[04:00] <Infinity__> xtknight: yes he is
[04:00] <xtknight> i think his kernel update installed and he had the HD d/c somehow and the mbr got installed wrongly or something
[04:01] <riffic> messages doesn't show anything after 21:42:02 which was about 18 minutes ago
[04:01] <xtknight> whatever the case, reinstall grub
[04:01] <riffic> no messages after removing and plugging into another port
[04:01] <xtknight> Infinity__, boot a livecd, mount your broken install.  'sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/point (hd0)'
[04:01] <xtknight> or hd0
[04:01] <xtknight> cant remember
[04:01] <Infinity__> xtknight: kk
[04:01] <xtknight> HorizonXP, any idea how to execute the deskbar applet from a terminal?
[04:01] <HorizonXP> xtknight: i'm just going to delete my index, and try reindexing, ONCE again... .this thing SUCKS
[04:02] <HorizonXP> no, no idea
[04:02] <HorizonXP> i don't think it's one of those apps
[04:02] <riffic> oh i'm going to reboot
[04:02] <riffic> that'll bring the mouse back
[04:03] <riffic> thanks for your input
[04:03] <Infinity__> xtknight: He gets this "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/point (hd0)
[04:03] <Infinity__> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[04:03] <xtknight> hd0, sorry no ()s
[04:03] <xtknight>  i hope your partition is mounted at /mnt/point
[04:03] <xtknight> linux root part
[04:04] <Infinity__> xtknight: We can only pray :)
[04:04] <xtknight> Infinity__, well the point is, you dont pray to the gods to mount it.
[04:04] <xtknight> you mount it yourself ;)
[04:04] <catid> exciting
[04:05] <xtknight> sudo mount /dev/hdx /mnt/point
[04:05] <xtknight> before that:   sudo mkdir -p /mnt/point
[04:05] <xtknight> ( /dev/hdx is your root device.  replace as necessary)
[04:07] <Infinity__> xtknight: the "<xtknight>  i hope your partition is mounted at /mnt/point
 linux root part" wasn't directed towards me was it?
[04:07] <xtknight> yeah
[04:07] <xtknight> ;P
[04:07] <Infinity__> xtknight oh alright
[04:07] <Infinity__> xtknight: its not at /mnt/point
[04:07] <xtknight> Infinity__,  do you know how to mount it?
[04:08] <Infinity__> xtknight: Yeah he does he said he already did
[04:09] <xtknight> HorizonXP, all updates installed right?
[04:09] <xtknight> Infinity__, any luck installing GRUB to MBR hd0?
[04:09] <Infinity__> xtknight: its mounted at /dev/sda1 /media/feisty
[04:09] <xtknight> HorizonXP, by the way, it is still opening my file empty
[04:10] <Infinity__> xtknight: I'm relaying his messages through gaim so bear ith me. :D
[04:10] <xtknight> Infinity__, ah ok
[04:10] <HorizonXP> xtknight: as of this morning, yup.... yeah, i don't know
[04:10] <HorizonXP> xtknight: maybe this is some bug
 sudo mount /dev/hdx /mnt/point
[04:10] <xtknight> err
[04:10] <xtknight> Couldn't find "/file:/home/andy/Documents".
[04:10] <xtknight> clearly it's a big buggy mess
[04:10] <HorizonXP> yeah
[04:11] <HorizonXP> that's the error I get!
[04:11] <xtknight> it's working half the time for me
[04:11] <xtknight> i clicked that on a Copy of a document, wahtever that means
[04:11] <xtknight> this thing could wipe your files if you pressed save
[04:11] <HorizonXP> wtf... this should be fixed
[04:12] <Aldante_Fax> I am trying to get file sharing going with Feisty. As of right now I am able to view shared mountpoints on a Windows machine, however I cannot make any changes to the mountpoints (even though I have remote write access enabled through Administration>Shared Folders). Can someone give me a hand?
[04:12] <Infinity__> xtknight: He gets this "ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install--root-directory=/dev/sda1 /media/fesity hd0
[04:12] <Infinity__> sudo: grub-install--root-directory=/dev/sda1: command not found
[04:12] <Infinity__> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ "
[04:12] <xtknight> yea heck knows how this stuff gets through
[04:12] <xtknight> doh
[04:12] <xtknight> Infinity__, "sudo mkdir -p /media/feisty && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/feisty"
[04:12] <xtknight> exactly that ^
[04:12] <Infinity__> k
[04:12] <xtknight> Infinity__, and then "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/feisty hd0"
[04:13] <xtknight> HorizonXP, is the empty file bug reported?
[04:13] <xtknight> i will report/trace this one
[04:13] <HorizonXP> not that i've seen
[04:14] <HorizonXP> see, should we file this in Gnome Deskbar, or Feisty?
[04:14] <xtknight> feisty
[04:14] <Infinity__> xtknight: Here is what he sent me "ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/feisty hd0
[04:14] <Darwin> When will there be official documentation for Feisty and what documentation is recommended for now?
[04:14] <Infinity__> Due to a bug in xfs_freeze, the following command might produce a segmentation
[04:14] <Infinity__> fault when /media/feisty/boot/grub is not in an XFS filesystem. This error is harmless and
[04:14] <Infinity__> can be ignored.
[04:14] <Infinity__> xfs_freeze: specified file ["/media/feisty/boot/grub"]  is not on an XFS filesystem
[04:14] <Infinity__> Installation finished. No error reported.
[04:14] <Infinity__> This is the contents of the device map /media/feisty/boot/grub/device.map.
[04:14] <Infinity__> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[04:14] <Infinity__> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[04:14] <Infinity__> (hd0)   /dev/sda"
[04:14] <xtknight> triagers will take the appropriate action.  dont assign a package if you dont know what it is, also they will hand it over to GNOME BUGzilla if needed.
[04:14] <HorizonXP> ok, i'll submit the bug to Feisty later tonight... maybe tomorrow
[04:15] <xtknight> Infinity__, sounds fine.  reboot
[04:15] <Infinity__> k
[04:15] <Infinity__> xtknight: He said thank you very much and hes going to try
[04:16] <xtknight> cool hope it works
[04:16] <Infinity__> xtknight: I will update you when he gets back on of if it worked or not
[04:16] <Infinity__> :)
[04:16] <xtknight> yeah we'll get it working
[04:16] <Infinity__> xtknight: :)
[04:16] <Darwin> ??
[04:24] <Oooops> hi, if anyone use crontab??? i want why crontab need full path to excute a bash.
[04:24] <Darwin> When will official docs be released for feisty and what documentation is recommended for now?
[04:25] <Infinity__> xtknight: He said it didn't work :(
[04:25] <xtknight> Infinity__, same thing happens?
[04:25] <Infinity__> xtknight: Yeah he said it did the exact same thing
[04:26] <xtknight> Infinity__, k go back in the livecd
[04:27] <Infinity__> xtknight: k he is
[04:27] <xtknight> not sure what's wrong with GRUB but what about trying a floppy
[04:27] <Infinity__> xtnight: he doesn't have a floppy drive\
[04:28] <Infinity__> xtknight: He says its not Grub
[04:28] <xtknight> hm does recovery mode work?
[04:28] <Infinity__> xtknight: He says it brings him to the one screen and he can't do anything
[04:28] <xtknight> Infinity__, ahhh yeah the grub help screen
[04:28] <xtknight> hm
[04:28] <Infinity__> xtknight: He's going to install xchat and come on here I think
[04:29] <xtknight> Infinity__, k stay at the GRUB screen thouhg
[04:29] <xtknight> though*
[04:29] <Infinity__> xtknight: He might be able to explain it better than I could
[04:29] <xtknight> i know what's going on now
[04:29] <aubade> Is there any workaround (other than compiling my own kernel) for when the partitions of a drive aren't getting picked up by the installer/parted?
[04:30] <gogogo111> xtknight. im the one having the problem
[04:30] <Infinity__> xtknight: He is in here his name is gogogo111
[04:30] <TheVault> Is it me or is Feisty Fawn kick butt. I just plugged in a network card and I did not have to set it up. I was freaking out!
[04:30] <xtknight> gotcha
[04:30] <gogogo111> xtknight: i dont think its grub
[04:30] <xtknight> gogogo111, you are receiving a GRUB screen with a Help prompt?
[04:30] <gogogo111> xtknight: no
[04:30] <gogogo111> xtknight: its like ifintran or something
[04:30] <xtknight> initramfs
[04:31] <gogogo111> xtknight: yes thats it
[04:31] <aubade> No one? :\
[04:31] <Hobbsee> laggy chanserv....
[04:31] <xtknight> aubade, why would recompiling the kernel fix that?
[04:31] <xtknight> gogogo111, hmm.  not quite sure.  it says "tty control disabled" too or something?
[04:31] <gogogo111> xtknight: yes it says that
[04:31] <xtknight> tty job control
[04:31] <gogogo111> yeah
[04:31] <gogogo111> the job control
[04:32] <aubade> Seems like the issue is tied to the new SATA stack the kernel is using, was told there was a patch here weeks back but that I would have to compile it as if they had no plans to ever.
[04:32] <xtknight> gogogo111, what kind of computer do you have?  motherboard model?
[04:32] <aubade> Just tried the latest daily image, still isn't picking up on the partitions on the volume.
[04:32] <gogogo111> xtknight: asus p4p800se
[04:32] <xtknight> aubade, oh so it's detecting the controller and HD but not the partitions?
[04:32] <xtknight> gogogo111, intel 865 isnt that?
[04:32] <aubade> Pretty much.
[04:33] <gogogo111> xtknight: i think its 865PE, thats what im reading from the pox
[04:33] <gogogo111> box*
[04:33] <xtknight> gogogo111, hmm.  not a 'known' issue with that board i dont think.  job control problems have mostly been with Core 2 Duo
[04:33] <xtknight> i think it's corruption posibly
[04:33] <xtknight> you could run fsck from the LiveCD
[04:33] <xtknight> fsck=filesystem check, not that other word ;)
[04:34] <gogogo111> xtknight: lol.....but this really sucks, I have a lot of personal data on there. when they said dont use feisty as a desktop..they were right :/
[04:34] <xtknight> personally i'd just wait until RC (release candidate) which may be a couple hours
[04:34] <xtknight> gogogo111, you can grab the data using the livecd
[04:34] <gogogo111> can i? if so, how
[04:34] <gogogo111> i could just reformat the beta anyways
[04:34] <xtknight> gogogo111, are you on another pc now?
[04:35] <gogogo111> no, same pc with live cd
[04:35] <aubade> Intel 82850, hard-disk being a WDC WD1200JB-75CRA0. Never had an issue before in 5.04 through 6.10.
[04:35] <xtknight> gogogo111, okay mount your root parition.  typ ethis
[04:35] <xtknight> gogogo111, "sudo mkdir -p /media/feisty && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/feisty"
[04:36] <xtknight> now, "gksu nautilus /media/feisty/home/" and then you can access your user and pull files if you wish
[04:36] <gogogo111> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir -p /media/feisty && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/feist
[04:36] <gogogo111> mount: mount point /media/feist does not exist
[04:36] <xtknight> feisty*
[04:36] <xtknight> sudo mkdir -p /media/feisty && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/feisty
[04:37] <gogogo111> ok i think that worked
[04:37] <xtknight> not sure where you want to put the files though
[04:37] <gogogo111> YES!
[04:37] <gogogo111> im in my home folder
[04:37] <gogogo111> well
[04:37] <gogogo111> i have a digital camera
[04:37] <gogogo111> could i transfer them on to hat
[04:37] <gogogo111> onto that*
[04:37] <xtknight> i wouldnt recommend it
[04:37] <xtknight> but probably
[04:37] <xtknight> i wouldnt trust that, though
[04:38] <gogogo111> yeah, but i dont have any other choice :/
[04:38] <xtknight> is that your only HD?
[04:38] <gogogo111> yes
[04:38] <xtknight> hrmm
[04:38] <xtknight> i would get a usb stick if you could
[04:38] <xtknight> if they're important you dont want them lying on some proprietary digital camera
[04:38] <gogogo111> well the camera is connected through a usb cable..so i dont htnk there would be a difference as long as i could get them off
[04:39] <gogogo111> its a couple of videos and pictures of my baby niece, and a few other things like school work
[04:39] <xtknight> ah well guess so if you trust it
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> flash media is flash media
[04:39] <xtknight> but do me a favor and unmuont it properly after you copy them
[04:39] <xtknight> ;)
[04:40] <xtknight> right click the device and eject after youre done copying (i would double check by plugging it again too, that the files exist)
[04:40] <gogogo111> will do. just tell me how to access my camera and unmount, and i will do it. :)
[04:40] <xtknight> you should just be able to plug it in and it should show up if it is supported, i think
[04:40] <gogogo111> well it says canon powershot A530 imoprt photos
[04:40] <gogogo111> but where would the device be?
[04:41] <xtknight> sorry i've never used a digicam on linux
[04:41] <aubade> If I were to file a bug, what package would be best? libparted, parted, or disktype?
[04:41] <gogogo111> darn
[04:41] <xtknight>  probably /dev/scd* or /dev/sd*
[04:41] <xtknight> aubade, none unless you *know*
[04:41] <aubade> Broohaha.
[04:42] <gogogo111> there is no /dev/sd
[04:42] <gogogo111> or /dev/scd
[04:43] <xtknight>  type /dev/sd and then TAB
[04:43] <TodoInTX>  Hello, I've got an IBM Thinkpad T43. I'm trying to install 7.04 and the installer freezes at 3% into "Loading Linux Kernel"  I don't think I've got a JMicron controller and the symptom is a bit different from that bug report.
[04:43] <xtknight> errr
[04:43] <xtknight> gogogo111, just type "sudo lshw -class disk"
[04:43] <TodoInTX> The laptop is currently running 6.10 just fine
[04:43] <xtknight> itll show ya
[04:43] <macd> !info htop
[04:44] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.3-1 (feisty), package size 43 kB, installed size 172 kB
[04:44] <gogogo111> xtknight: i dont see it in there :/
[04:44] <xtknight> gogogo111, hmm.  well pastebin "sudo lshw"
[04:44] <xtknight> !pastebin
[04:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:45] <xtknight> is it a usb cam
[04:45] <wlx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408057&page=2
[04:45] <gogogo111> i found it in there
[04:45] <wlx> is this a bug?
[04:45] <gogogo111> my camera
[04:46] <gogogo111>               *-usb UNCLAIMED
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    description: Generic USB device
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    product: Canon Digital Camera
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    vendor: Canon Inc.
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    physical id: 5
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    bus info: usb@3:5
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    version: 0.02
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    capabilities: usb-2.00
[04:46] <gogogo111>                    configuration: maxpower=2mA speed=480.0MB/s
[04:48] <gogogo111> any other ideas? :/
[04:48] <xtknight> gogogo111, it didnt seem to mount the camera, i dont think
[04:48] <xtknight> i dont know
[04:48] <xtknight> honestly it looks like it has no driver
[04:48] <gogogo111> hmm
[04:48] <xtknight> you dont have a dvd burner ?
[04:49] <gogogo111> no, i have a CD burner
[04:49] <gogogo111> would that work?
[04:49] <xtknight> sure
[04:49] <gogogo111> ok
[04:49] <gogogo111> lets do this
[04:49] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install k3b
[04:49] <xtknight> first
[04:49] <xtknight> k3b is the best cd burner for linux
[04:49] <gogogo111> alright its downloading it
[04:50] <gogogo111> is the default burner in ubuntu bad?
[04:50] <TodoInTX> yep, no JMicron controller, it's Intel 82801FBM SATA
[04:51] <xtknight> gogogo111, not bad but k3b is more reliable i think
[04:52] <Tm_T> matter of taste IMO
[04:52] <Tm_T> but yes, k3b is powerhouse (I don't use it)
[04:52] <Tm_T> I use arson
[04:52] <TodoInTX> gogogo111: the Gnome(Nautilus) built-in one works fine for me.  I agree K3B is the best one ;)
[04:53] <gogogo111> TodoInTX: lol, i hope so
[04:53] <gogogo111> xtknight: ok, its done
[04:53] <Tm_T> my webcam works in Kopete perfectly, with good quality even <3
[04:53] <TodoInTX> anyone have clues regarding my issue with freeze at 3% of loading kernel during the installer.
[04:55] <xtknight> gogogo111, ok start k3b
[04:55] <peepsalot_> i upgraded to fiesty a while ago and I cannot boot from the latest kernel.  I think i might have input something wrong during the upgrade.
[04:55] <TodoInTX> uses the ata_piix driver.
[04:56] <xtknight> TodoInTX, switch from native->ATA emulation or vice versa on the controller?
[04:56] <peepsalot_> it asked about "md" and the answer defaulted to "all", but I cleared that out.  do I need that for a normal SATA drive?
[04:56] <binskipy2u> anyone actually enjoying the fiesty fawn experience thus far?
[04:56] <xtknight> binskipy2u, tons
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> !sda
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <gogogo111> xtknight, ok its up
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> !grub
[04:56] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:56] <peepsalot_> !md
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about md - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <xtknight> gogogo111, ok well burn your files you know the drill
[04:56] <gogogo111> xtknight, ok ill try
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> look at the grub info for the answer peepsalot_
[04:56] <TodoInTX> xtknight: in the controller BIOS?
[04:56] <xtknight> TodoInTX, or the regular bios yea
[04:57] <binskipy2u> i have a feeling itll be a great final release
[04:57] <Ashbringer> xtknight: how's xrandr?
[04:57] <peepsalot_> it boots if i choose the older kernel from grub?  do you really think grub is the problem?
[04:58] <peepsalot_> hehe, that first question mark should be a period
[04:58] <TodoInTX> xtknight: nope, the IBM BIOS has no such options.
[04:59] <xtknight> Ashbringer, dont think anybody has reviewed it much yet
[05:00] <xtknight> TodoInTX, hmm, a pity
[05:01] <rjones> does anyone know what I need to install to get gpg decryption working in kmail? It seems to need something to capture the passphrase, but pinentry-qt doesn't seem to exist any more.
[05:01] <peepsalot_> nomasteryoda, i'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.  the 2.6.20 kernel won't boot but the 2.6.17 will
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> rjones: See if we mentioned specifics for Kmail in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts, class #8
[05:02] <gogogo111> xtknight: THANK YOU SO MUCH! I created the CD any everything! it works! every file works! THANK YOU!!!!!
[05:03] <tehkain> Is there anyway to install the older 2.6.20-12 kernel? I am without a backup.
[05:03] <paradizelost> hey all, question, i'm running vmware server under fiesty, but it runs REALLY slow
[05:03] <xtknight> gogogo111, no problem
[05:03] <paradizelost> as in, if i type a word, it takes 5 min for it to show up
[05:04] <paradizelost> anyone have any ideas?
[05:04] <TheVault> How do I get rid of the other kernel mode things outta my grub boot menu?
[05:04] <gogogo111> xtknight: alright, well im off for tonight. I have school tomorrow nad I need some rest. but you do not know how much gratitude is going towards you. you are amazing. good night
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, apt-get autoremove
[05:04] <TheVault> I have like 3 different things with recovery mode and whatnot all three times and then I have my XP
[05:04] <billy> Greetings feisty fans!
[05:04] <rjones> tonyyarusso: problem #1 - the PDF refers to "kgpg" which doesn't seem to exist
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> should limit it somewhat TheVault
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> howdy billy
[05:04] <TheVault> will that screw anything up?
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> you doing ok now?
[05:05] <billy> nomasteryoda, yeah.  just had to get away for a moment.
[05:05] <billy> :)_
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, not so far as my experience
[05:05] <TheVault> have you done that command before?
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> rjones: kgpg - GnuPG frontend for KDE
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> and i've been on Feisty via upgrade for near 2 months
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> sure it does....
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:05] <peepsalot_> can anyone tell me if md support is necessary for a SATA drive?
[05:05] <billy> nomasteryoda, the LiveCD worked magically now.
[05:05] <TheVault> alright, lemme give it a whirl
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> rjones: it's in universe
[05:05] <rjones> "sudo apt-cache search kgpg" returns no hits
[05:05] <RawSewage> will there be many updates from RC to Final
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:05] <tonyyarusso> rjones: why use sudo with apt-cache?
[05:06] <rjones> tonyyarusso: habit ;)
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> RawSewage, most certainly
[05:06] <RawSewage> nomasteryoda, ok, I guess I'll wait
[05:06] <nomasteryoda> the time is very near to release... from what i can tell
[05:07] <rjones> tonyyarusso: and yes, I have universe enabled in my apt sources.list, but I do not have backports enabled
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> it has been very stable for me
[05:07] <RawSewage> 6 days to Final
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> some issues, but they were fixed with next update
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:07] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: well it did its reading package, building package and then it showed 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:07] <billy> I'm wanting to move all the contents in my /home to another partition ... actually, a /home partition.  I have the partition mounted and I'm in the directory where I want all my /home/billy files to go.  Will `sudo mv ~/ .` do it for me?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> so sweet it is
[05:07] <esac> running feisty on laptop with touchpad. if i click on a button sometimes that click will not 'register' until after i've moved my mouse. any ideas ?
[05:07] <RawSewage> So is there any reason not to download it now?
[05:07] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: So did it do anything?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, what kernel are you using now?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> uname -a
[05:07] <TheVault> ummmm
[05:08] <TheVault> whatever the newest one is
[05:08] <TheVault> I guess
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:08] <paradizelost> anyone running vmware-server under fiesty? i'm having slowness issues, any ideas?
[05:08] <RawSewage> nm, I'll wait
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> you type that command on the command line... in a console
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> paradizelost, how much ram?
[05:08] <paradizelost> 2GB
[05:08] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Yeah, I typed that command in Terminal
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> paradizelost, you let the vmware have most of it?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> i limit it to 1gb... total for all vms
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:09] <peepsalot_> can anyone help me troubleshoot why my kernel does not boot?  is there a particular log file i should look at?
[05:10] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Is there anyway to make Windows XP show up first and then the linux options in the grub boot?
[05:10] <paradizelost> nomasteryoda: the issue is  that it is taking like 15 min for vmware tools to start, and until it does, in an xp vm, with 256mb ram, if i type a command into the run box, it takes about 5 min for it to show all the lettters
[05:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I made images (using an older system) of the first two of three MS-DOS 6.22 floppies I had laying around.
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, got one of those new-fangled pcs with the virtualization supported in cpu?
[05:10] <peepsalot_> it just displays some initrd command, then "savedefault" and it sits there forever
[05:10] <paradizelost> i take back the 256mb, it's got 512
[05:10] <DanaG> While they'd boot on the real floppy, the floppy image just FROZE after the blinking text-mode cursor moved down one line.
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> paradizelost, defragment?....
[05:10] <DanaG> Go 7600.
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> using the vmware tool
[05:11] <paradizelost> fresh install
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> that should help
[05:11] <paradizelost> today
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> oh
[05:11] <peepsalot_> DanaG, why you want 3.11??
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> hmmm
[05:11] <DanaG> I tried it in VPC 2007, VPC 2004sp1, and Qemu, but nothing worked.
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> make sure the "swap space" for windows is set to permanent
[05:11] <DanaG> I want to show it to a friend who's never seen it.
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> that will help
[05:11] <xtknight> it will in vmware ;)
[05:11] <paradizelost> nomasteryoda: huh?
[05:12] <paradizelost> DanaG: i've got a vm, dos 6.22, windows 3.11, and several old games loaded
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> paradizelost, the vmware image with windows in it running on top of Feisty
[05:12] <peepsalot_> i haven't tried Win 3.11, but there is another vm application called virtualbox that seems to be pretty good.  on par with vmware
[05:12] <paradizelost> nomasteryoda: the disk space is pre-allocated if that's what you mean
[05:13] <DanaG> Oh, and Yonah sounds a bit too close to Yoni -- definition is somewhat NSFW.
[05:13] <DanaG> An obvious fertility symbol... that's all I'll say.
[05:13] <Aldante_Fax> Hmm...
[05:13] <Aldante_Fax> I seem to be having a problem with my built-in network card crapping out.
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, sure... just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the number selected from 0 to where Windows is in the list...
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> Aldante_Fax, wifi?
[05:14] <DanaG> Oh, a better thing to do with Grub:
[05:14] <Aldante_Fax> At least, on Feisty. Works fine in Windows, goes down the toilet in Feisty.
[05:14] <DanaG> default saved
[05:14] <Aldante_Fax> DanaG, Ethernet
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, drivers... have you updated Aldante_Fax ?
[05:14] <DanaG> wrong tab complete?
[05:14] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Alright. I think I got it
[05:14] <Aldante_Fax> Yeah.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> and restarted?
[05:15] <Aldante_Fax> nomasteryoda, yup
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> well, i would do this... open console... type "tail /var/log/messages -f" to watch the message log to see if/when eth0 goes down
[05:16] <DanaG> move -f to after tail.
[05:16] <DanaG> tail -f
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> it works either way
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> man, yet another 98 packages to upgrade
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> that's 128 today alone
[05:17] <rjones> nomasteryoda: hehe, I've not updated in a few days, so I have 210 to update ;)
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> life on the feisty edgy
[05:18] <DanaG> Oh, is there a way to make apt prefer mirror X, except when X is out of date, use Y?
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> edge
[05:18] <billy> LOL.  man ... I really know how to mess it up.  :D
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> hmmm, that would be a good trick
[05:18] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: So the chainloader part, on Ubuntu its set as +1, I change that to +0 and make the chainloader on XP +1?
[05:19] <DanaG> Nope.  GO to where it says "default 0"
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> er, no
[05:19] <tehkain> well the kernel update from tonite is screwed up
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> yes like DanaG said
[05:19] <billy> gksudo nautlilus to the rescue!
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> find that line
[05:19] <DanaG> changing it to "default saved" will make it boot whatever you selected last.
[05:19] <tehkain> luckily I had the backup..
[05:20] <DanaG> kvm depends on kvm-api-9 [UNAVAILABLE] 
[05:20] <TheVault> alright, lemme check
[05:20] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have a Gateway business machine -- M685.
[05:21] <DanaG> They give options to enable or disable VT, NX/XD, and TPM.
[05:21] <rjones> tonyyarusso: after adding backports to my sources.list i can see kgpg and the various pinentry programs to install
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:21] <crimsun> tehkain: there's a missing abi bump, and that issue's known. What else regressed from -14.22?
[05:21] <urban> ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno=-19)
[05:22] <urban> google returns nothing on that error that i received upon trying to start my updated kernel.
[05:22] <crimsun> urban: -14.23?
[05:22] <urban> yes
[05:22] <crimsun> urban: yes, that's the HPA issue we're seeing. It's known and being addressed.
[05:22] <urban> ok thanks. glad to know its being fixed and wasn't something i did.
[05:22] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: So did I do it right? I mean for boot order. Want XP to show first and then the Ubuntu. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15313/
[05:23] <DanaG> HPA?  What's that?
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I get this:
[05:23] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, it should be default 8
[05:24] <crimsun> DanaG: not related to the HPA/libata issues being addressed.
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> since the first one was 0
[05:24] <DanaG> Sorry, I did a sudden topic change with no notice.
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> 1 would be the next ubuntu kernel listed (the failsafe)
[05:25] <tehkain> crimsun: the kernel locks up concerning mdadm
[05:25] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Sorry I don't understand
[05:25] <crimsun> tehkain: can you get me a precise error dump?
[05:25] <crimsun> tehkain: take a digital photo and post it if necessary
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> if you want it to load windows, change the "default 1" to default 8
[05:26] <tehkain> ok. Theres a post on the feisty dev forums already.
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> TheVault, based upon your posting on pastebin
[05:26] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: And that will show Windows XP and then Ubuntu below it?
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> er, nope
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> it will simply make windows xp the default
[05:27] <TheVault> oh, thats not what I want. Want Windows Xp to be first in the menu, and then ubuntu below that
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> if you want to change the order, you will need to move the windows section and "automagic" info above the ubuntu stuff
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:27] <DanaG> er, move windows above automagic, right?
[05:27] <TheVault> oh
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> i've done that before, but a new kernel update will put a new kernel version above that windows....
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> grub tends to favor Linux... or rather the init scripts favor Ubuntu
[05:28] <TheVault> oh, then I might as well not fool with it
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> and write grub menu that way
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> whew...
[05:28] <DanaG> update-grub is what does it.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:29] <TheVault> alright, lemme see if the other kernel goes away now.
[05:29] <TheVault> brb
[05:29] <TheVault> god be with me lol
[05:29] <DanaG> Is there an option I can use to prevent e1000 from causing that error (even if it's by disabling "MSI interrupt"
[05:29] <DanaG> )?
[05:29] <urban> i'd prefer a linux dev were with me.
[05:31] <LoneShadow> do everyone has mdadm installed by default in thier feisty ?
[05:31] <LoneShadow> :s/has/have
[05:32] <crimsun> everyone? no.
[05:32] <xtknight> DanaG, pci=routeirq irqpoll
[05:32] <xtknight> maybe?
[05:32] <xtknight> or any of the various acpi=off nolapic noapic commands
[05:32] <LoneShadow> hmm
[05:32] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Thank you very much
[05:32] <crimsun> you must explicitly choose to install to mdadm (i.e., create it or update an existing mdadm) in the installer
[05:32] <TheVault> Everything worked out perfectly
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> Gutsy Gibbon nice name for the next one
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> sweet TheVault
[05:32] <LoneShadow> crimsun: I upgraded from dapper to edgy, then edgy to feisty, and bham mdadm got installed
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> I can't wait for Gutsy... hehe
[05:32] <peepsalot_> !gibbon
[05:33] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:33] <LoneShadow> crimsun: though I had LVM installed
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:33] <peepsalot_> what's a Gibbon anyways
[05:33] <crimsun> LoneShadow: that's because lvm uses mdadm.
[05:33] <TodoInTX> xtknight: hrm... I'm trying another system with an intel mobo as well and it does exactly the same... no SATA. just PATA.
[05:33] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Now there is one more question. Where it says "Other Operating Systems" in the boot menu, are you able to remove that text?
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> that's just a comment
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ya i do
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> er, did... i no longer boot windows on this laptop
[05:33] <DanaG> I have smp, so apic is necessary.  That message is mostly just a cosmetic issue.
[05:33] <peepsalot_> nm, google images to the rescue
[05:33] <TodoInTX> xtknight: I'm going to re-burn the disk.
[05:33] <peepsalot_> Gibbons are kinda cool lookin
[05:34] <LoneShadow> crimsun: now mdadm hangs when I try to boot with 2.6.20 kernel
[05:34] <xtknight> TodoInTX, hmmm k
[05:34] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: So it will prevent me from booting into Windows if I remove that text?
[05:34] <crimsun> LoneShadow: yes, there are myriad bugs open about it
[05:34] <peepsalot_> i wonder why they don't ever seem to incorporate the animal into the release artwork
[05:34] <crimsun> LoneShadow: there are also myriad issues as culprits here - most of them are race conditions
[05:35] <LoneShadow> crimsun: also edgy introduced UUID for the partitions, I think my grub/menu.lst is messed up, I had to change root back hdaX instead of UUID for loading the kernel
[05:35] <crimsun> LoneShadow: it boils down to feisty's upstart, initramfs, and udev racing / being too fast for the hardware
[05:35] <TheVault> nomasteryoda: Never mind, I rather not mess with it. Anyway, I thank you again for your help  :D
[05:36] <TheVault> Laters
[05:36] <DanaG> aah: PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq".  If it helps, post a report
[05:36] <DanaG> before that: PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
[05:36] <LoneShadow> crimsun: I guess I need some help from ppl who have LVM + feisty in a non raid setup
[05:36] <tehkain> crimsun: here is where the kernel freezes. http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/808/00001vh6.jpg
[05:36] <tehkain> The new update doesnt like sata
[05:37] <crimsun> LoneShadow: I have one precisely like that.
[05:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what benefit does ata_piix give over piix?  My only drive on that device is a laptop CD drive.
[05:37] <crimsun> tehkain: I pass `mount=break' to lilo
[05:37] <LoneShadow> crimsun: then you are my man :D
[05:37] <crimsun> DanaG: newer, maintained code that follows spec
[05:37] <DanaG> It moved my cd from hda to scd0; the latter actually makes more sense to me -- CD, not HD.
[05:38] <LoneShadow> crimsun: what should /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf contain ?
[05:38] <DanaG> I had tried to do that before by blacklisting piix, but it didn't work that way.
[05:38] <crimsun> tehkain: it's a combination of ata_piix vs. piix and the HPA issues
[05:38] <crimsun> LoneShadow: doesn't really matter. Is initramfs failing to find / ?
[05:38] <LoneShadow> hmm
[05:39] <LoneShadow> something failed with edgy, so I had to modify my menu.lst to boot
[05:39] <tehkain> crimsun: thank you then, my backup kernel is working fine so its not an issue for me atleast
[05:39] <LoneShadow> ###kernel               /vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=UUID=5f7bd488-87f9-4628-9def-c3bb9a749fa4 ro quiet splash
[05:40] <LoneShadow> I replaced that with root=UUID=.. with root=/dev/hda6 UUID=...
[05:40] <crimsun> tehkain: err, does it hang at the end of the bottom line shown on that screenshot, or is there more (error-wise)?
[05:40] <tehkain> hangs
[05:40] <DanaG> because it makes it far easier for me to see my disk name and partition numbers.
[05:40] <LoneShadow> now it boots, also ended up adding initrd line
[05:42] <LoneShadow> crimsun: can I have a snippet of your grub/menu.lst if you have one ?
[05:42] <crimsun> LoneShadow: I don't; I use lilo
[05:43] <LoneShadow> crimsun: what do I do if initramfs fails to find / ?
[05:44] <tehkain> Is there a way to make it so grub and ubuntu have the same drive order? Every kernel update changes my drive to hd2,0 when its hd1,0
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> DanaG: I could do that before...
[05:47] <DanaG> STill doesn't fix input on snd-hda-intel, or the oops in snd-emu10k1 on toggling capture on A2_ZS_NB
[05:49] <crimsun> LoneShadow: boot with `break=mount'
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh, and oddly, the non-open-source oss drivers let me set mic in as output; but the mixer controls are all screwy.
[05:50] <DanaG> "BLUE"  -- function: in or out?
[05:50] <DanaG> I don't HAVE a blue.
[05:50] <crimsun> DanaG: what /proc/asound/cardX/codec* info for HDA?
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh, stac9250 -- Gateway M685 (also known as PA6)
[05:50] <crimsun> DanaG: needs a new stac quirk that hasn't been committed yet.
[05:51] <DanaG> aah, when it comes out, I'll build my own kernel.
[05:51] <LoneShadow> crimsun: should I add that parameter in my menu.lst ?
[05:51] <DanaG> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9250        Address: 0        Vendor Id: 0x83847634        Subsystem Id: 0x107b0681
[05:51] <DanaG> replaced newlines with 8 spaces
[05:51] <crimsun> DanaG: yeah, I only had access to one for a dayish, so I only got some of the fixes completed
[05:52] <DanaG> I like to see that companies release specs -- example: IDT now owns sigmatel, and released lots of docs.
[05:52] <crimsun> the docs only help a little
[05:52] <DanaG> If I had a couple of million dollars, and a time machine, I'd go back in time and pay Aureal NOT to sell out -- or to OSS everything.
[05:52] <crimsun> there are several hundred quirks for stac92xx alone depending on codec and codec revision
[05:52] <DanaG> Oh, and same for Fingerworks and Apple.
[05:53] <crimsun> LoneShadow: try booting with it first
[05:53] <DanaG> Oh, by "quirks", you mean odd pin layouts?  I know, for example, Apple put line out on mic in, or something.
[05:53] <crimsun> DanaG: among other things, yes. There are four different MacPro models (sets of quirks).
[05:54] <crimsun> sorry, Macbook Pro models
[05:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and hdaudio.inf from Vista may help, as well as each company's INI files in their drivers.
[05:54] <crimsun> they don't.
[05:54] <crimsun> we essentiall reread the registers while in Windows to figure out what's going on
[05:54] <crimsun> +y
[05:54] <DanaG> Wow.
[05:55] <DanaG> While Vista was in beta, it had this bug with my system: if external input wasn't plugged in, the "speakers" device would disappear; if it was already playing audio, it would lose the ability to +/- volume.
[05:57] <crimsun> yes, the same bug is still visible for some ALC8xx codecs.
[05:57] <crimsun> good ole Realtek suckin' it up.
[05:59] <DanaG> They seem to have nice stuff -- and I'm all for anybody who can compete with Creative.
[06:00] <DanaG> Well, at least that "can't use internal speakers" is better than Dell's bug: can't MUTE internal speakers by plugging in external.
[06:00] <DanaG> "blacklist pcspkr" to the rescue!
==BEEP!
[06:01] <DanaG> And for vista, it was "plug in speakers, it still only uses internal."
[06:01] <DanaG> On Dell, I mean.
[06:02] <Tm_T> DanaG: I use pcspeaker for some notify stuff :-P
[06:02] <crimsun> it depends on the manufacturer
[06:03] <crimsun> some beeps generated by hardware bypass the driver altogether
[06:03] <crimsun> IBM/Lenovos are infamous for this
[06:04] <DanaG> I had some old Duron desktop that routed beep through the onboard audio device, at high volume.
[06:04] <DanaG> It would go BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP    on resume from S3.
[06:04] <Toma-> lol
[06:04] <Toma-> i could play smoke on the water with beep
[06:05] <Toma-> fun program
[06:10] <Tm_T> !away | Naddiseo[zzz] 
[06:10] <ubotu> Naddiseo[zzz] : Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[06:11] <Naddiseo[zzz] > so I'm not allowed to change my name?
[06:11] <Tm_T> hmm, looks like it says so
[06:11] <Tm_T> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:11] <Tm_T> see what that page says
[06:11] <valehru_> hey guys, since I upgraded to feisty I've found that my ssh server's performance has gone completely downhill.  It takes about 20 secs for a password confirmation.  Whats going on?
[06:12] <Naddiseo[zzz] > I'm on other servers/channels that need to know I'm away though, so that I don't get 10,000 angry messages
[06:12] <Tm_T> valehru_: hmm, no idea
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> Naddiseo[zzz] : that's what /away is for
[06:12] <Tm_T> yup
[06:12] <Naddiseo[zzz] > It doesn't work
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> sure it does
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> I use it all the time....
[06:12] <Tm_T> how it doesn't work?
[06:12] <Naddiseo[zzz] > No, they still pm me
[06:12] <hexidigital> my feisty won't boot after the last upgrade :/  it hangs and i can't see what is going on or where it is locking
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> And thus you have a log when you come back.
[06:13] <Naddiseo[zzz] > if my name has [zzz]  in they don't bother pming me
[06:13] <Tm_T> manchicken_: you too my dear
[06:13] <manchicken_> Tm_T: What now?
[06:13] <Tm_T> public away :p
[06:14] <manchicken_> What's the big deal?
[06:14] <DanaG> Gaim doesn't show away.
[06:14] <Tm_T> manchicken_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:14] <Tm_T> DanaG: doesn't?
[06:14] <manchicken_> Tm_T: Who really cares?  It's not an away message, it's what konvi does automatically when I lock the machine.
[06:14] <DanaG> At least not obviously.
[06:14] <Tm_T> manchicken_: well, still causes noise in channels
[06:15] <manchicken_> Tm_T: It's not that big of a deal.
[06:15] <Tm_T> manchicken_: for some people it is
[06:15] <DanaG> or [D] a[n] a[G] 
[06:15] <manchicken_> Tm_T: I suggest those people find something more important to complain about.
[06:15] <Tm_T> manchicken_: and because it's in guidelines, well...
[06:15] <valehru_> manchicken, like feisty?
[06:15] <manchicken_> Tm_T: Guidelines are just that.
[06:15] <manchicken_> valehru_: Precisely.
[06:16] <manchicken_> valehru_: Like lockups on resume.
[06:16] <Tm_T> manchicken_: oh well, I'm not going to argue this
[06:16] <manchicken_> Tm_T: Nor am I :)
[06:16] <Naddiseo[zzz] > and orca repeating itself on the logout screen
[06:16] <valehru_> well I'm trying to sort out the delay in my ssh server...slow as feck
[06:17] <manchicken_> Tm_T: I just wanted to let you know that I'm not going to change the setting (in some chans it is a good thing, and konvi does that globally or not at all) so that you didn't repeat yourself criticizing me :)
[06:17] <manchicken_> valehru_: I've noticed that, too, but it's more likely my connection to the server causing the trouble.
[06:18] <Tm_T> manchicken_: I'm not going to argue with you, some others will face my wrath however ] ;=
[06:18] <manchicken_> valehru_: I'm in this hotel and the wifi connection is dropping around 12% of packets to major hosts like yahoo.com
[06:18] <valehru_> manchicken_, well my server is on the same lan connected via wifi.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> manchicken, Naddiseo[zzz]  lilo would not care... he's not with us anyway.... i always have 2 nics.. one for lappy or away, another for desktop... If Ubuntu does not want us helping out and thinks other names are a bother, then maybe they don't really want us to be here and we can certainly move on to Debian...
[06:18] <manchicken_> Tm_T: Then make them pay :)
[06:18] <valehru_> manchicken_, no packet loss...It's either got to do with the hosts file or the way dns is set up.
[06:19] <slackern> hmm i got a question, i did a minimal installation of 6.10 and upgraded it to feisty and all was well only had one issue NetworkManager Applet keeps saying im disconnected while i am not, unless i click on "wired network" then it reconnects and stops complaining, any ideas about it?
[06:19] <valehru_> manchicken_, maybe if I set up a DNS server on the machine instead of pointing it towards the router
[06:19] <manchicken_> nomasteryoda: I'm a big kubuntu fan and contributor.  I don't think anybody really gives a flying rat's patootie.  Tm_T is just trying to reduce noise and I totally respect that.  :)
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> slackern, i had that happen too.. it seem sok
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:19] <Tm_T> manchicken_: exactly
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> mine are just mirrors and no "away" is pushed
[06:20] <slackern> nomasteryoda, aye it's no problem, was thinking maybe some old config was messing with it or something that came along from 6.10
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> i agree with that
[06:20] <manchicken_> Tm_T: And believe me, if the |away wasn't necessary for other chans, I'd completely agree with you :)
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> slackern, did you setup the network manually in any way?
[06:20] <Tm_T> manchicken_: I usually stay away from that kind of chans =)
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> before in 6.10?
[06:21] <slackern> nomasteryoda, nah, i just have my own router here running with 2 machines under it and they are set up with static dhcp or bound to mac adresses.
[06:21] <Tm_T> how many has tried marble? it's sorta fun
[06:21] <manchicken_> Tm_T: I wish I could :)  Work, you see :)
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> just like loco here.. he's now in bed... that is an away message
[06:21] <manchicken_> marble?
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> marbles?
[06:21] <Tm_T> yes, qt4 mapwidget
[06:21] <Tm_T> marble
[06:21] <locolbd> what
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> oh, no cool
[06:22] <locolbd> hey people when in feisty fawn being officially released again
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> 19th-ish
[06:22] <Naddiseo[zzz] > So you have a problem with my one line of changing nick, but not with that 2 line quit message?
[06:22] <Naddiseo[zzz] > anyway, I'm sleeping
[06:22] <locolbd> ok
[06:22] <Tm_T> Naddiseo[zzz] : that too, but unfortunately I can't be that nazi here
[06:22] <Naddiseo[zzz] > Yeah, I understand.
[06:22] <locolbd> What is beryl, what is its purpose?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> i would like a mapwidget that generates kml files for GoogleEarth... so i could point to places, link in tables of data say for temperature, corrosion rates, etc... and then post those kml files to a site somewhere for folks to use...
[06:23] <Naddiseo[zzz] > Unfortunately I don't know how to script xchat to just change in two servers
[06:23] <Naddiseo[zzz] > with one command
[06:23] <locolbd> What is beryl, what is its purpose?
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> !beryl
[06:23] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:23] <Naddiseo[zzz] > locolbd, it's a window manager and decoractor
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> it has some very good and useful features, beryl does
[06:23] <plewis77_> it is really good eye candy
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> like dynamic zoom
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> for the sight impaired
[06:24] <concept10> !info wireshark
[06:24] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-6 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1576 kB
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> but yes, like plewis77_ says it is really eye candy and uber superior to vista
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> nmap, wireshark and tcpdump are very handy tools to troubleshoot network issues
[06:25] <locolbd> oh i was expirencing a prob...when i used the desktop effects
[06:25] <locolbd> i really like it
[06:25] <locolbd> but on my movie player
[06:25] <hexidigital> i just upgraded my feisty install, and now it hangs on boot
[06:25] <locolbd> the visualizations dotn work properly
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> what graphics card locolbd ?
[06:25] <locolbd> neither do my movie show
[06:26] <locolbd> hold
[06:26] <locolbd> lol
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> change players... to say xine or mplayer
[06:26] <locolbd> how i find that here in ubuntu?
[06:26] <locolbd> but isnt desktop effects
[06:27] <locolbd> similar to windows vista effects?
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> only marginally
[06:27] <locolbd> ok
[06:27] <locolbd> but beryl can make it something like vista?
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> linux's multiple desktops were here long before vista...
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure
[06:28] <locolbd> ok
[06:28] <Tm_T> well, long before-- decade or two?
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:28] <locolbd> lol
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> when did fhvm come out?
[06:29] <Tm_T> no idea
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> 1993 maybe
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> so yes long before
[06:29] <locolbd> well am new to linux, so am tryin to learn a thing or two, i really need a crash course in linux
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> locolbd, try this to see what your card is
[06:29] <locolbd> since i will be doing programmin
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> lspci |grep VGA
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> in a terminal window
[06:30] <locolbd> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> oh, nice
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> i have similar
[06:30] <locolbd> ok
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> my beryl is sweet
[06:30] <locolbd> well why does the visualization and movies mess up
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> only 8mb video ram on the card...
[06:31] <locolbd> i tink i will install beryl
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:31] <locolbd> will beryl kill my graphics card?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> locolbd, i had one release installed here of beryl that worked perfectly ... i could drag the video to the edge and then rotate cube... to show the video perfectly
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> nope
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> its actually very effcient
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> imho
[06:32] <locolbd> lol
[06:32] <locolbd> yeah i tink i saw a video on google
[06:32] <locolbd> someone was doing that
[06:32] <locolbd> its sweeeeeeeeeeet
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> but of the video cards, intel is better ... or rather easier to install beryl
[06:32] <crdlb> locolbd, you video card will be able to handle beryl completely
[06:33] <locolbd> good
[06:33] <crdlb> it will fly on a i945
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> desktop or laptop?
[06:33] <locolbd> laptop
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:33] <locolbd> labtop
[06:33] <locolbd> is desktop still alive?
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> ya i setup a dell with similar card for a friend... perfect... i installed feisty for them
[06:34] <hexidigital> i just upgraded my feisty install, and now it hangs on boot
[06:34] <locolbd> yeah well i was tink of get another labtop
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> because they need to show how good Linux is to their college friends
[06:34] <locolbd> one for windows one for linux;)
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> folks, i think someone needs to address the boot issue... or stoppage of booting...
[06:34] <locolbd> i like the idea of linux being GUI but i really want to learn commands
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> i'm not to keen on describing the solution everytime i see this
[06:35] <locolbd> so i cud work in a terminal window all dat
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> locolbd, you have other terminals
[06:35] <jtt> hexidigital: do you know how to boot into single user
[06:35] <locolbd> yeah i know
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:35] <hexidigital> jtt:  pressing 'c' at the Grub menu?
[06:35] <locolbd> but when i cant do sumtings in the terminal i aalways resort to GUI
[06:35] <locolbd> and trust there issa alot i cant do in terminal mode
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> locolbd, but that is ok... you will learn lots
[06:36] <locolbd> yeah for one being in here and reading, ppl help other people helps some what
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> tab completion is the best here... in terminal or anything
[06:36] <jtt> hexidigital: dont think so  press  e  and remove the  splash and  quite  from the end of the line displayed and boot you will get a lot of info and you can gell where it hangs
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> i'm betting yet again, that this user has 2 drives
[06:37] <RedRose> I just did a dist-upgrade, and it downloaded the new kernel, and when I attempted to boot up the ubuntu partition, it just freezes
[06:37] <hexidigital> jtt:  well, it starts to hang when looking for a SCSI device... which i don't have any scsi
[06:37] <RedRose> in either normal or recovery mode
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> they area all now known as /dev/sda, etc...
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> i.e. scsi
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> a kernel change that will be around a while made that nice, er problem for us
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> but we'll get through it
[06:38] <hexidigital> i'm sshed into my server on my windows install... be right back with more info
[06:38] <jtt> hexidigital: dont remember how to supress scsi drivers on boot any one else here remember how to supress scsi drivers on boot
[06:39] <hexidigital> jtt:  i'll be right back w/ the error
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> hexidigital, you have 2 hard drives installed?
[06:39] <RedRose> I just did a dist-upgrade, and it downloaded the new kernel, and when I attempted to boot up the ubuntu partition, it just freezes, in either recovery or normal boot. But No Error message it displayed
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> oh, there you go.. not ok... the classic away messsage
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> RedRose, 2 hard drives?
[06:40] <Toma-> when downloading a video clip to the desktop, the gnome previewer is going nuts trying to preview it.... shouldnt it be ignoring file types called .part ?
[06:41] <jtt> RedRose: boot into single user and see where it is hanging
[06:41] <RedRose> jtt, sorry, but how do I do that?
[06:41] <RedRose> nomasteryoda, No, 1 HDD, using grub
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> press "esc" at start
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> then choose the "failsafe" version (or single)
[06:42] <RedRose> Recovery mode?
[06:42] <jtt> RedRose: oh boy search the ubuntu wiki for single user booting  and see what info you can find
[06:42] <RedRose> !wiki
[06:42] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[06:43] <hexidigital> nomasteryoda:  no, 1 hdd w/ 3 partitions
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> if you press "esc" when grub comes up
[06:44] <hexidigital> ok, the only erroneous output i noticed was 3 lines.. :
[06:44] <hexidigital> ata1.00: n_sectors mismatch
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> then press e to edit the first kernel line.... backspace over "splash" and "quiet"
[06:44] <hexidigital> ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno -19)
[06:44] <hexidigital> ata1.00: disabled
[06:44] <RedRose> nomasteryoda, Ok, ty
[06:44] <hexidigital> nomasteryoda:  did that
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> then type "single"
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:45] <hexidigital> er
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> hit enter... then b to boot
[06:45] <hexidigital> i didn't type 'single'
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:45] <hexidigital> should i do that now?
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:46] <hexidigital> oh, ok... and just look for errors?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:46] <hexidigital> ok, be back in a few
[06:46] <hexidigital> (btw, i appreciate the help)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:49] <hexidigital> ok
[06:49] <hexidigital> same errors as above
[06:50] <hexidigital> when it reaches "attached scsi generic sg0 type 5" is where it stops
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> do you have an external usb drive attached?
[06:51] <hexidigital> external mouse
[06:51] <hexidigital> hmm
[06:51] <hexidigital> could that be stopping it?
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> sure...
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> er, not the mouse
[06:51] <hexidigital> oh
[06:51] <hexidigital> ok
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> but a usb stick, drive, etc...
[06:52] <hexidigital> yeah, nothing like that attached at the moment
[06:52] <tbf> hmm, no dogtail or ldtp for feisty? or am I blind?
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> hexidigital, what kernel is trying to load? -14?
[06:53] <hexidigital> yes
[06:54] <hexidigital> nomasteryoda:  i also tried to boot using other kernels, but no luck
[06:54] <RedRose> I'm back! It's spitting out an ATA error
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> if you can, edit the kernel line... by using cursor keys and then the backspace to remove the number part
[06:55] <RedRose> Yes, In both single and normal user mode
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> you can then pres "tab" to see what it finds
[06:55] <hexidigital> nomasteryoda:  replace it with anything, or leave it blank?
[06:55] <hexidigital> oh
[06:55] <hexidigital> ok
[06:55] <peepsalot_> do the latest feisty kernels not work with SATA?
[06:55] <hexidigital> be back
[06:56] <RedRose> It get's to saying ATA fails, then it tried loading the scsi, then it just stops. a few seconds later it shuts down my fans cause ACPI fails
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> mine does....
[06:56] <RedRose> I have a SCSI BTW
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> RedRose, are the uuid lines the same for each kernel listed in grub?
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> uuid =  drive identifiers
[06:58] <RedRose> What do you mean?
[06:58] <RedRose> nomasteryoda, Where can I find out what they are supposed to be?
[06:58] <RedRose> !uuid
[06:58] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> look at what grub shows... pressing esc on boot
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> but if you can't get to a shell then you can't run that command
[06:58] <nomasteryoda> a catch 22
[06:59] <RedRose> Yes, I know... Lol... Their *is* a uuid line, but idk if it matches, etc...
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> just look at the last 4 characters and the first 4...
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> of each of say the top and say the bottom kernel lines...
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> they should match
[06:59] <RedRose> Is the UUID unique to my system?
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> to the hd
[07:00] <RedRose> I only have one kernel installed
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> k
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> ic
[07:00] <RedRose> But I think it might be a UUID problem because I did a dist-upgrade and it loaded up a new kernel, but my Grub config never changed
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> ah
[07:01] <RedRose> is there any way via live CD that I can repair it?
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> well, you can substitute the old (hd0,0) for uuid to try
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> if that is the partition where your kernel lives
[07:01] <tbf> uch, just found them
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> RedRose, you should be able to see what uuid is via the cd
[07:02] <RedRose> And then just put it in place in the GRUB configuration?
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> you need to chroot to edit grub....
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> !chroot
[07:02] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> but by doing that you need to mount the /dev/sda1 into a 'folder" /mnt/sda1 (you may have to make that folder)
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> then cd into it...
[07:03] <RedRose> Yes, I know that much...
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> .ok
[07:03] <RedRose> Lol... I know mounting, editing, etc... This whole new UUID thing though throws me off
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> well, if you can chroot while on the cd, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> ya
[07:04] <hexidigital> nomasteryoda:  still no luck :(
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> me too...
[07:04] <RedRose> nomasteryoda, Ty for all the help...
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> hexidigital, sound like the uuid is off
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> np
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> or the root(hd0,0) part of the kernel line
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> but idk
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> tired
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> time to sleep
[07:04] <hexidigital> ok, thanks for your help
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> hope someone can get ya going
[07:05] <hexidigital> i have a few ideas
[07:05] <hexidigital> i'll check out the UUID thing
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> ya and google is your best freind
[07:05] <nomasteryoda> friend
[07:05] <hexidigital> indeed
[07:06] <nomasteryoda> esp if you throw in ubuntuforum as keyword
[07:10] <DanaG> hmm, filelight gives sigabrt upon close.
[07:10] <LoneShadow> crimsun: I am getting "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[07:10] <LoneShadow> is that the same thing as initramfs not finding the root ?
[07:11] <TodoInTX> xtknight: yep, was a bad burn... happily on my way now,
[07:13] <peepsalot_> anyone here have ndiswrapper working in feisty?
[07:14] <peepsalot_> it will not load the kernel module for me.  says "Invalid Argument"
[07:15] <red22>  what is the page that tracks the progress of everything that's being worked on for the next release pls?
[07:16] <billy> no wonder.  it's friday the 13th!
[07:17] <sohum> some time ago, I upgraded to feisty with aptitude
[07:18] <sohum> it treated suggests as dependencies, so openoff-ce-icons-crystal brought the kde-icons-crystal theme, and a whole set of kdelibs along with it
[07:18] <DanaG> Do you mean, recommends?
[07:19] <DanaG> The thing was recently moved to suggests from recommends.
[07:19] <sohum> I tried to remove everything kderelated, but now my gnome session take a long time to start up
[07:19] <sohum> danag: you're probably right
[07:19] <DanaG> oh, cat /var/log/aptitude
[07:19] <DanaG> to see what it installed
[07:19] <DanaG> .
[07:20] <sohum> and even reinstalling the kde libs (through kde-icons-crystal) isn't helping
[07:20] <DanaG> Hmm, you can look back -- maybe it installed something else.
[07:20] <DanaG> My gnome-session also seems a bit slow lately.
[07:20] <DanaG> Hmm, my debconf is screwy:
[07:20] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[07:20] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[07:20] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[07:20] <DanaG> within update-manager
[07:20] <sohum> the first time my gnome session hung, it complained about the gnome-settings daemon
[07:21] <TodoInTX> is there no "upgrade" option, just "install" ?
[07:22] <sohum> anyway, dist-upgrading now, see if the 2.6.20.14 makes a difference
[07:23] <sohum> it did remove stuff like liboggflac3, and suchlike
[07:23] <mzuverink> how can I make conky open and be sticky o each desktop?  Mine only shows on the desktop it was executed on.
[07:24] <sohum> i'm not using the comp for music or transcoding, so i didn't bother
[07:24] <sohum> and it didn't remove ubuntu-desktop, so I figured that it wasn't essential
[07:27] <mzuverink> sohum, try reinstallin ubuntu-desktop by cli and use aptitude instead of apt-get, I had the same problem and that fixed it
[07:28] <sohum> mzuverink: I always use aptitude
[07:28] <mzuverink> sohum, good practice
[07:28] <sohum> mzuverink: an doesn't reinstalling a metapackage only reinstall the 2kb metapackage itself?
[07:29] <mzuverink> sohum, it didnt for me, but ive seen it do it that way.
[07:29] <sohum> mzuverink: must be an option...
[07:29] <mzuverink> sohum, did you try fix broken in synaptic?
[07:29] <hexidigital> ... UUID is not my problem... they match
[07:29] <sohum> anyone know the option that causes aptitude to reinstall every dependency of something you're reinstalling?
[07:30] <sohum> mzuverink: i've got nothing broken
[07:30] <sohum> mzuverink: not on that machine, anyway. lvm is broken on my other machine, but i hear they're working on it
[07:30] <billy> is there a command to display all the packages I have installed?
[07:31] <FlavourFlav> hi, i am using feisty X64, and after a kernel upgrade (to 2.6.20-14) one of my hard drives went missing, it is not even detected in fdisk, does anybody know how to fix this?
[07:31] <mzuverink> sohum, try the force option on deps, you'll have to manpage it to figure out the correct switches
[07:31] <sohum> mzuverink: hm...
[07:31] <hexidigital> billy:  there is.. i'm looking
[07:31] <hexidigital> one sec
[07:31] <mzuverink> sohum, or a dist upgrade?  Other than that I just dont know
[07:31] <billy> thanks hexidigital.  no rush, really.
[07:32] <sohum> mzuverink: trying the d-u now
[07:32] <mzuverink> sohum, sorry I cant be of more assistance
[07:32] <hexidigital> billy:  dpkg --get-selections
[07:32] <sohum> mzuverink: that's fine, i just wanted to see if this was a known problem
[07:33] <mzuverink> anyone know how to make conky open on all desktops?
[07:33] <billy> thanks hexidigital
[07:33] <hexidigital> billy:  np
[07:34] <hexidigital> anyone know if i can backup my /etc and /home on a broken install using a flash drive and a live cd?
[07:34] <hexidigital> not how to do it... is it possible
[07:34] <billy> !daily
[07:34] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[07:36] <Tomcat_> hexidigital: Sure, you can.
[07:37] <hexidigital> Tomcat_:  cool
[07:37] <Tomcat_> hexidigital: As long as the drive is mountable and not damaged, you can do everything on it.
[07:37] <hexidigital> now i don't care so much about my broken install :/
[07:37] <hexidigital> i'll fix it tomorrow
[07:37] <hexidigital> s/install/upgrade
[07:38] <peepsalot_> hexidigital, i think if the userids are different you will have a hell of a time with your home directory
[07:39] <LoneShadow> can someone paste me thier grub/menu.lst ?
[07:40] <peepsalot_> !grub
[07:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:42] <peepsalot_> LoneShadow, http://pastebin.ca/437694
[07:43] <LoneShadow> peepsalot_: is that from feisty ?
[07:43] <hexidigital> peepsalot_:  the uuid is the same
[07:44] <LoneShadow> I was looking for grub/menu.lst settings for kernel 2.6.20 with uuid
[07:44] <peepsalot_> LoneShadow, no Edgy
[07:44] <solid_liq> what source do I need to add to upgrade to feisty?
[07:44] <solid_liq> from edgy, if that matters
[07:44] <solid_liq> !upgrade
[07:44] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:45] <LoneShadow> anyone with feisty + 2.6.20 kernel, can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin.ca ? :D
[07:46] <solid_liq> that wiki entry sucks
[07:46] <LoneShadow> peepsalot_: dosnt edgy convert your root=/dev/hdaX into root=UUID=... ?
[07:46] <solid_liq> how can I upgrade to feisty from edgy via the shell?
[07:47] <solid_liq> with apt-get
[07:47] <LoneShadow> solid_liq: I kinda failed trying to do that yesterday
[07:47] <LoneShadow> but then again I didnt replace edgy with feisty in sources.lst
[07:48] <LoneShadow> you could try replacing edgy with feisty in sources.lst and run "aptitute update & aptitude dist-upgrade"
[07:48] <LoneShadow> thats &&
[07:48] <peepsalot_> LoneShadow, I could post the menu.lst from my feisty box, but it doesn't boot into 2.6.20
[07:48] <peepsalot_> it boots the older (Edgy) kernels though
[07:48] <LoneShadow> peepsalot_: what kernel does feisty boot in ?
[07:48] <LoneShadow> hmm
[07:48] <peepsalot_> 2.6.17.something
[07:49] <LoneShadow> yea same thing here, I can boot with 2.6.17. with initrd, but cant with 2.6.20
[07:49] <peepsalot_> s/something/11-386/
[07:52] <billy> !feisty
[07:52] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:53] <billy> Maybe tonight's daily build isn't the best one to go with.  :)
[07:53] <peepsalot_> !schedule
[07:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:01] <enyc> Erm... I'm expecting to see a feisty RC version now which I wished to test/use...
[08:02] <enyc> Am I missing this... I can't find RC iso download... is it not on schedule?   thanks...
[08:11] <Hidan> can i check my Root directory for badblocks?
[08:11] <Hidan> oh wait i can.
[08:12] <penta> hi, can anyone help me install feisty on a lavm partition?
[08:13] <penta> lvm partition
[08:19] <hexidigital> ok... i tried some stuff, and ended up letting my laptop sit for a few minutes (appx 5).. when i received the error "cannot connect to tty; job control turned off"
[08:20] <enyc> hexidigital: I think that message comes from bash...
[08:21] <enyc> hexidigital: like... bash is having trouble... semewhere for nsome reason... and its saying the job-control-functions are not available now ;-)
[08:22] <hexidigital> well, yeah... i was able to determine that :)
[08:22] <enyc> hexidigital: why thats happening... I have no idea ;-)
[08:22] <hexidigital> ah
[08:22] <guerby> oh well kernel 2.6.20-14 not booting
[08:23] <guerby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106104
[08:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 106104 in Ubuntu "boot freezes with kernel 2.6.20-14-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:23] <enyc> *** Somebody plase let me know what the status of feisty RC version is ** -- I have looked around and all I can find is that its expected 2007/04/12 (yesterday from my timezone) *** !!
[08:23] <enyc> I was hoping to try sometnhing with thi RC version...
[08:23] <hexidigital> guerby:  that's my problem, as well
[08:23] <Tm_T> enyc: will come, just some issues to be solved before it
[08:23] <Tomcat_> enyc: 20070412 is the current RC candidate image.
[08:23] <Tm_T> Tomcat_: oh it's out? nice
[08:24] <Tomcat_> Tm_T: What do you mean, "out"? :)
[08:24] <enyc> Tomcat_: where do I find those autogenerated CDs anyway... ?  I appreciate they are just autogenerated etc. and potentially a problew blahblah..
[08:24] <Tomcat_> Wait, I might be in error...
[08:24] <Tomcat_> !daily
[08:24] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[08:24] <Tomcat_> Yeah I'm wrong... 20070411 is current RC candidate... 12 was rejected. :I
[08:24] <Tm_T> Tomcat_: well, daily is not really RC
[08:25] <Tomcat_> Tm_T: No. That's why I said RC *candidate*.
[08:25] <Tm_T> atleast from my point of view
[08:25] <Tm_T> ah
[08:25] <enyc> thats interesting... No PPC version there... is this expected?
[08:25] <Tm_T> missed that one
[08:25] <Tm_T> enyc: not officially supported IIRC
[08:26] <enyc> Tm_T: kk.. hope its stell reelased tho
[08:26] <enyc> bah! how did I miss that /daily/ dir! error in enyc!
[08:26] <tritium> enyc: there was an announcement that PPC would no longer be officially supported
[08:27] <enyc> tritium: sure... tnhats ffine.. but still make CDs that are not offiricially supported of the releases.. at least after the main release is tested/working  ?
[08:28] <robroy> is there a way to "convert" (not to play) ratDVD-files on linux?
[08:28] <Tm_T> enyc: there's team working on ppc but as said, it's not officially supported
[08:28] <tritium> enyc: that's the idea
[08:28] <enyc> Tm_T: sure... I see  thanks ;-)
[08:28] <enyc> tritium: thanks for letting me know ;-)
[08:29] <Tm_T> yup, you notice that "officially" is important or insignificant, depends what you consider important
[08:29] <enyc> anyway.. Ive never worked out howto see the  -RC bugs list  sort of thing.... i.e. list of bugns  that must be sorted for beta / RC / etc...
[08:29] <enyc> Tm_T: hrrm like universe... is so useful
[08:30] <Tm_T> enyc: yup, but for some people the official part is crucial
[08:30] <tag-> Is the ipw3945 driver like buggy or something
[08:30] <tag-> ?
[08:31] <tag-> also, I'm having this weird problem where some gtk windows don't share my system theme.
[08:31] <enyc> Tm_T: its better than trying to officially support 'everyithng' OR exclude lots of things...
[08:31] <enyc> Tm_T: I understand...
[08:32] <enyc> thankyou all for comments ;-)
[08:32] <tag-> pidgin?
[08:33] <Tm_T> enyc: btw when/if you test ppc-feisty, slap me ;)
[08:33] <penta> is there a daily build of netboot for feisty?
[08:33] <enyc> Tm_T: Id like to see PPC feisty released at some point "not officially supported" but no hurry ;-)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: Id really like a RC version I can install today ;-)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: (for x86)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: not related to PPC
[08:35] <tritium> This regression with atheros support is no fun.  I might have to switch back to edgy until it gets addressed.
[08:35] <Tm_T> enyc: well, I'm just interested to know if there any big clitches, before I start one project
[08:35] <enyc> Tm_T: sorry i dont understand "one project"
[08:35] <enyc> anayway i must be going...
[08:36] <enyc> so... 20070411 is likely to be used as -RC version now?
[08:36] <tritium> enyc: no, 20070412
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: err....
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: ok
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: ill get tat one if I dont see any -RC later...
[08:36] <enyc> thankyou all ;-)
[08:37] <crdlb> tritium, what regression?
[08:38] <elguavas> has anyone been on here mentioning boot problems since the latest 2.6.20-14 update... ??
[08:38] <mcarroll> 20070412 will not be RC either:
[08:38] <mcarroll> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
[08:38] <mcarroll> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[08:38] <tritium> crdlb: atheros wireless not working
[08:38] <crdlb> tritium, when did the update happen?
[08:39] <gacevedo> hi there
[08:39] <tritium> crdlb: sometime back
[08:39] <mcarroll> elguavas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408057
[08:39] <gacevedo> after an automatic update from update manager, my system won't start with new kernel 2.6.20-14-generic
[08:40] <crdlb> tritium, oh, I installed 20070411 on a dell laptop with an AR5212 and it works
[08:40] <gacevedo> I've just made the update, and I had to start my system with old kernel instead
[08:40] <gacevedo> any help would be appreciated
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: it may be a Thinkpad issue, then.
[08:42] <tritium> I've seen it on T43p and X60 Tablets.
[08:42] <crdlb> tritium, I'll try the cd on my T42
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: does it work with WEP and/or WPA?  Does it work with NetworkManager?
[08:42] <lomez> anyone know of a good AIGLX/Compiz guide, maybe a stick forum on UbuntuForums?
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: that would be good info
[08:42] <crdlb> tritium, unencrypted with networkmanager
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: AR5212 is exactly what the two Thinkpads I've tested have.
[08:42] <enyc> Aaah! bah ! just got email!
[08:42] <enyc>     467 Apr 12 Colin Watson        (4437) Ubuntu 7.04 release candidate delayed
[08:43] <elguavas> mcarroll: thanks, reading it now, have same problem as thread: usb card reader drives mapped as /dev/sd* and preventing boot...
[08:43] <enyc> bah!  sorry all for bugging you ;-)
[08:43] <tritium> crdlb: it may work unencrypted, but not otherwise
[08:43] <gacevedo> nobody else is experiencing this issue with latest kernel upgrade?
[08:44] <lomez> none, the latest kernel upgrade has been beautiful for me
[08:44] <elguavas> gacevedo: me too
[08:44] <lomez> too bad i have an ATI card
[08:46] <tritium> crdlb: thanks for looking into it
[08:46] <gacevedo> elguavas: any idea?
[08:47] <gacevedo> elguavas: for now, I've set the grub default to old kernel, but... *shrugs*
[08:47] <elguavas> gacevedo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408057  usb initialisation problem on latest feisty kernel 2.6.20-14 , causes a hang on boot for lotsa folks...
[08:47] <hexidigital> gacevedo:  heh.. i can't even boot an old kernle
[08:47] <hexidigital> kernel
[08:48] <gacevedo> I see...
[08:49] <elguavas> mcarroll: yep looks like same problem, no matter what i do latest kernel on fiesty hangs on final stages of USB initialisation, seems many having this problem
[08:56] <_filippo_> !wine
[08:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:58] <gacevedo> Okay, restored .back initrd file
[08:58] <gacevedo> gonna reboot and see what happen
[09:04] <mzuverink> darn kernel upgrade always requires reboot at the least desired time, there has to be some Murphy's's law about that...
[09:06] <mzuverink> so the latest kernel upgrade for feisty breaks something sometimes on certain machines?
[09:07] <crdlb> tritium, I just enabled WPA2 and it does work on the dell with an AR5212 on an up-to-date feisty
[09:08] <Sgeo> G'night all!
[09:08] <crdlb> I'll try it on my t42 tomorrow, I have to find the livecd :)
[09:09] <crdlb> (it does work on this thinkpad with networkmanager on gentoo, but that's mostly irrelevant)
[09:17] <Jeruhme> anyone know how to fix:
[09:17] <Jeruhme> Fatal server error:
[09:17] <Jeruhme> could not open default font 'fixed'
[09:17] <Jeruhme> in xwindows?  I've tried evrything and about to give up
[09:20] <Hidan> omg I can't believe i turned off the fan in my psu by mistake and was running it fanless for a day or 2 O_O
[09:26] <Andruk> i cant login using gdm.  i input my un an pw and it crashes back to the login screen.  anybody know how to help?
[09:27] <crdlb> Andruk, have you tried the "Failsafe Gnome" session?
[09:27] <Andruk> i did, ill try again
[09:28] <crdlb> Andruk, what about Failsafe terminal?
[09:28] <Andruk> crdlb: nope, but i can hit ctrl+alt+F1 and get to the terminal that way...
[09:28] <lomez> hmm
[09:29] <crdlb> Andruk, if you can login with failsafe terminal that would indicate the problem isn't with gdm
[09:29] <lomez> i am having problems with GParted, anyone there to help?
[09:29] <Andruk> crdlb: oh...ill try failsafe gnome and failsafe-terminal again...
[09:33] <Andruk> crdlb: failsafe-gnome didnt work...failsafe-terminal did though
[09:34] <crdlb> Andruk, try running 'dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session' in the failsafe terminal
[09:35] <pollyo> Hello
[09:36] <pollyo> Anyone know where I could find info on getting beryl to work with a nvidia TNT2 card?
[09:36] <Andruk> crdlb: gnome launched
[09:36] <bluefox> anyone else notice if you change graphics cards it breaks X
[09:36] <bluefox> and there's no easy way to reconfigure it
[09:36] <Andruk> bluefox: have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:37] <crdlb> Andruk, hmm, not sure what the problem is then
[09:37] <bas> i just did an update of my feisty install.. it now doesn't boot anymore, it's giving errors: ata1.00 ata_hpa_resize... n_sectors mismatch 15601488 != 184467440723559036164... ata 1.00: revalidation failed.. ata 1.00: disabled.. scsi1: ata_piix
[09:37] <bluefox> Andruk:  yes.  Have you tried being asked a thousand questions?
[09:37] <bas> any ideas what i should do?
[09:38] <Andruk> crdlb: i can give you the ~/.xsession-errors if you like?
[09:38] <bluefox> Andruk:  when I put in a LiveCD it configures X just fine without asking me, I would like it to do that.
[09:38] <bluefox> Andruk:  I'm at the point where I have a working X display, except I have NO MOUSE POINTER  o.x
[09:38] <RememberPOL> hiya
[09:38] <bas> seems like there is something wrong with the kernel. btw my / partition is on a sda partition
[09:38] <Andruk> bluefox: ...sorry
[09:39] <crdlb> Andruk, I've really got to get some sleep too :|
[09:39] <crdlb> it's 3:39 AM
[09:39] <Andruk> crdlb: thats cool, thanks for your help
[09:40] <RememberPOL> so when i start 7.04, i see that it now has some automatic VMWare service scripts like starting the virtual monitor, ethernet driver, etc. but what exactly does this do? ..does it just make the startup process of running VMWarePlayer faster?
[09:41] <Andruk> bluefox: do you have a backup of your xorg.conf from before you switched?
[09:41] <bluefox> Andruk:  no, that won't work.  the switch involed, so far, changing "via" to "nvidia" on one line
[09:42] <bluefox> brb trying to hack in a config from a live cd
[09:43] <Andruk> bluefox: when you get back, i take it youve tried dpkg-reconfigure with different mouse options and none of them work?
[09:46] <dissonans> I see the restricted-modules package for the previous kernel revision is no longer in the repository, is it maintained in another repository?
[09:46] <dissonans> I'd like to revert to the previous kernel, but I'd need to sync my nvidia kernel driver with the X driver
[09:47] <dissonans> the current kernel (-14) just gets more and more broken, now it won't even boot :(
[09:52] <Andruk> i cant login using gdm.  i input my un an pw and it crashes back to the login screen.  anybody know how to help?
[09:53] <bas> dissonans: I'm having the same thing
[09:57] <AmyRose> Hey I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.20-14 and can't boot it
[09:57] <AmyRose> I had to go back to 2.6.20-13
[10:06] <AmyRose> I was getting a validation error or something (error code -19) while trying to boot the latest kernel
[10:06] <AmyRose> This would appear right after Grub handed control to the kernel
[10:07] <Tm_T> AmyRose: and latest would be...
[10:07] <flo-_-> i have this major problem , the same with AmyRose, pls someone help i need my laptop to work
[10:08] <Tm_T> come on, give me package version so I can compare it to mine
 Hey I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.20-14 and can't boot it
[10:09] <dissonans> me neither :P
[10:09] <dissonans> first broken sound, then plain broken
[10:11] <flo-_-> the preveios kernels work tgough
[10:11] <AmyRose> I booted up 2.6.20-13
[10:11] <AmyRose> the latest is 2.6.20-14
[10:11] <dissonans> I'm trying to go back to an older kernel, but first I must fix my nvudua driver :\
[10:11] <dissonans> nvidisa
[10:12] <dissonans> oops, new keyboard
[10:12] <AmyRose> I got this "validation error" or something (error code -19)
[10:12] <dissonans> still  not used to the ergonomic layout :)
[10:13] <XenSA> any one can help with the networkmanager applet
[10:14] <gnomefreak> XenSA: tells you you are not connected?
[10:14] <XenSA> yeah gnomefreak
[10:15] <gnomefreak> XenSA: fix is done just hasnt been uploaded
[10:15] <gnomefreak> XenSA: i just built it and it works fine so  keybuk should upload before release
[10:16] <AmyRose> Tm_T: Sorry it took so long, but I had to look this up. The exact package version is 2.6.20.14.12
[10:16] <Tm_T> AmyRose: thanks
[10:17] <AmyRose> Tm_T: np. I try to be helpful :)
[10:18] <AmyRose> Tm_T: Hold that thought--the linux-image package is 2.6.20-14.23 :/
[10:18] <Tm_T> :)
[10:18] <Tm_T> same as here
[10:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:19] <AmyRose> I had to disable the splash screen to see the error code
[10:19] <dissonans> it's an ATA error is it not
[10:19] <AmyRose> it looks like one
[10:20] <dissonans> I'll reboot into kernel -12 and try to install nvidia manually
[10:21] <elguavas> anyone have any news on the sata problem with kernel 2.6.20-14.23 ??  (ie, is there a fix comming soon)
[10:21] <Tm_T> AmyRose: there's been some changes related to it :p
[10:21] <Tm_T> so somewhat expected
[10:21] <AmyRose> well, at least I could boot back into -13 and have it working again
[10:21] <Tm_T> gotta go ->
[10:22] <Andruk> gnomefreak: so, is there pretty much a freeze on all but the most necessary progs?
[10:22] <AmyRose> Andruk: Read the topic... :/
[10:23] <Andruk> >.<  wow...i feel really stupid...i even read it before i posted...
[10:23] <AmyRose> hehehe
[10:24] <Andruk> i am having troubles logging in.  gdm simply crashes back to the login screen after i login.
[10:24] <AmyRose> Only critical bugs will be fixed, but after, they'll probably fix others :)
[10:24] <AmyRose> like they always do
[10:25] <Andruk> yeah...no offense to them or anything...but thats something that i would expect from their largest competitor, not Ubuntu...
[10:25] <Andruk> but i suppose i do it as well,,,
[10:25] <Andruk> lol, im upgrading to that exact kernel...
[10:25] <AmyRose> huh?
[10:26] <Andruk> <-- currently apt-get upgrading
[10:26] <AmyRose> They just don't want to introduce untested software which would introduce a bunch of new bugs
[10:27] <Andruk> true, i suppose...
[10:31] <AmyRose> Unlike what Microsoft does :P
[10:32] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmm
[10:32] <seiflotfy> feistys new upgrade wont boot
[10:32] <seiflotfy> kernel 14 that is
[10:33] <seiflotfy> only 13
[10:33] <seiflotfy> any ideas
[10:33] <elguavas> AmyRose: what, like changing the sata driver in the kernel just before release... :\
[10:34] <elguavas> seoflotfy: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[10:34] <dissonans> wtf, I can't even modprobe the nvidia driver?!
[10:34] <dissonans> "error running install command for module nvidia" or whatever
[10:34] <dissonans> my manually installed nvidia driver that is
[10:35] <elguavas> ubotu: yeah, but when the comitted fix available from anywhere... ?
[10:35] <elguavas> seiflotfy: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Andruk: there is a freeze in the sence that nothing can be uploaded without a manual push. nothing new can be uploaded and only the most important bug fixes
[10:39] <gnomefreak> can be uploaded
[10:39] <zdzichuBG> !daily
[10:39] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[10:39] <zdzichuBG> hmm, no sparc daily?
[10:40] <Andruk> cool
[10:41] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: there should be
[10:42] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: I think so
[10:42] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: but there's only server flavor (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: give me a few minutes
[10:43] <balster_neb> drat, I was just about to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[10:44] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
[10:44] <balster_neb> I guess I'll have to wait till this new booting problem is fixed
[10:44] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: hmm, in ports. thank you!
[10:44] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:44] <slackern> I got lucky with the new kernel i guess, no problem here for me with sil3112 satacontroller
[10:45] <gnomefreak> new kernel is still broken last i heard it will be fixed in few days
[10:46] <balster_neb> anyone have any idea if the problem will occur with an nforce chipset?
[10:47] <dystopianray> balster_neb: what problem?
[10:47] <balster_neb> dystopianray, the problem with the latest feisty kernel update that people are talking about
[10:48] <dystopianray> balster_neb: which is?
[10:48] <balster_neb> dystopianray, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[10:49] <balster_neb> I was just about to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[10:49] <dystopianray> oh, fixed already
[10:50] <balster_neb> oh, any idea what time it was fixed?
[10:50] <balster_neb> I'd like to check if the mirror I'll be using has been updated
[10:50] <dystopianray> hrrm I don't know, it just says 'fix commited' for the status
[10:51] <balster_neb> yup
[10:51] <macogw> any java coders here?
[10:51] <dystopianray> "Ben had a fixed kernel last night, thus setting to fix committed." that was said 1 hour ago
[10:52] <dystopianray> macogw: what level of expertise do you require?
[10:52] <balster_neb> oh, yes
[10:53] <dystopianray> I don't know if that comment means the fixed kernel is actually available yet though
[10:53] <macogw> dystopianray: a level of expertise that's enough to tell me if they can compile anything that uses a Scanner or abstract/generic class using Java 6 on Feisty
[10:54] <balster_neb> yeah, it's not clear
[10:54] <dystopianray> macogw: oh, i'd help but I don't have feisty or java 6, only edgy and java 5
[10:57] <macogw> dystopianray: you know what channel this is, right?
[10:57] <dystopianray> macogw: you don't need feisty to hang out here
[10:57] <macogw> yeah i know
[10:57] <macogw> just seems sort of something to be expected
[10:57] <dystopianray> i'm waiting for the RC, then I will install it
[10:58] <balster_neb> does the timestamp of the file ls-lR.gz at http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ indicate when the repositories were last updated?
[11:01] <_eMaX_> hi all
[11:01] <_eMaX_> anyone has problems with knetworkmanager at the moment?
[11:01] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what problem exactly?
[11:02] <_eMaX_> I got a huge dist-upgrade today and since then, even after a reboot, it doesn't show me any more wireless networks though they do work if I use wlassistant.
[11:02] <_eMaX_> knetworkmanager does show me the wireless network card when I select "static connection..."
[11:03] <Ingjerd> hello. Todays kernel-upgrade won't recognize my harddrive anymore, says that the UID or something isn't there
[11:03] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: does the wireless interface have any entries in /etc/network/intefaces ?
[11:04] <Ingjerd> the boot drops me to initramfs
[11:04] <_eMaX_> Ingjerd for the quick fix you could edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and replace the UUID... by /dev/hdax or similar
[11:04] <_eMaX_> let me check. may be the update changed that
[11:04] <Ingjerd> ok, can I do that from the initramfs-tty?
[11:04] <_eMaX_> yes it has
[11:05] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: try removing/commenting the parts for the wireless interface and restarting network-manager and knetworkmanager (or rebooting)
[11:05] <_eMaX_> Ingjerd: if you are able to mount your hard disk from there, yes. I normally boot from a memory stick to fix  such things
[11:05] <_eMaX_> ok how do I restart just network-manager? (not knetworkmanager)
[11:06] <_eMaX_> ok seen it in the process list
[11:06] <dystopianray> I believe it's init script is in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[11:07] <balster_neb> fittingly, today is friday the 13th :)
[11:07] <Ingjerd> emax, what's the syntax for mounting sda3 from initramfs when I don't have sda in /dev nor fstab?
[11:08] <Ingjerd> balster_neb: true
[11:10] <Ingjerd> can I call root= from grup when I boot?
[11:10] <zdzichuBG> Ingjerd: mknod /dev/sda3 b 8 3
[11:10] <Ingjerd> ok :)
[11:10] <zeroflag> any tool for mounting different kinds of cd images? (like daemon tools)
[11:11] <dystopianray> zeroflag: you can use mount to mount regular isos
[11:11] <Ingjerd> zdzichuBG: 3 is not an option ...
[11:11] <zeroflag> dystopianray: no regular images.
[11:11] <dystopianray> zeroflag: what sort of images?
[11:12] <zeroflag> dystopianray: mostly mdf (alcohol iirc).
[11:13] <Ingjerd> nvm...
[11:13] <zdzichuBG> Ingjerd: hmm, is busybox mknod different than regular?
[11:13] <dystopianray> zeroflag: there is an mdf2iso program that can convert mdf to iso
[11:13] <flo> what is the comand for strarting the restricted driver manager?
[11:14] <eMaX> for maybe that very reason (friday 13th), the line "iface eth3 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces is now preventing my knetworkmanager from seeing any wireless interfaces. Thanks dystopianray for the idea.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> flo: restricted-manager i would think or use the menu entry
[11:14] <flo> thx
[11:15] <dystopianray> zeroflag: actually you should be able to mount an mdf file just like a normal iso: $ sudo mount -o loop blah.mdf /mountpoint
[11:15] <zeroflag> dystopianray: I'm not going to waste all my carefully ripped CD images on iso. >_<
[11:16] <dystopianray> zeroflag: try mounting it as if it were an iso and see if that works
[11:16] <eMaX> ok here is the next weird thing. How can I force knetworkmanager (or dhclient, maybe) to use a given default gw?
[11:17] <dystopianray> eMaX: a different gw to what dhcp is providing?
[11:17] <zeroflag> dystopianray: ah, thank you.
[11:17] <eMaX> yep
[11:17] <zeroflag> dystopianray: what does the loop option do?
[11:17] <eMaX> one of my routers insists on providing himself as a gw
[11:17] <dystopianray> zeroflag: you use that when you are mounting files, rather than block devices
[11:17] <eMaX> even though he himself knows that his own default gw is another one.
[11:18] <zeroflag> ah, thanks.
[11:19] <dystopianray> zeroflag: there are usually tools to convert from most image formats to iso, or you can mount them directly with some mount trickery
[11:20] <Andruk> AmyRose: looks like the kernel update actualy fixed my machine >.<
[11:20] <dystopianray> zeroflag: like this to mount a Nero .nrg image: $ sudo mount -o loop,offset=307200 blah.nrg /mountpoint
[11:20] <dystopianray> eMaX: you can probably configure dhclient to override the gateway
[11:21] <eMaX> dystopianray: actually when I restart the router, it provides the real gw via dhcp.
[11:21] <dystopianray> eMaX: ah cool
[11:23] <eMaX> ok fixed it. I had two dhcp servers actually.
[11:23] <tom_G> hi all
[11:24] <tom_G> anyone know where i can find a release schedule for fglrx? like when aiglx will be supported!
[11:24] <dystopianray> tom_G: there isn't one
[11:25] <dystopianray> tom_G: I don't think there is any guarantee that it'll ever be supported
[11:25] <tom_G> grrrr hate ati......
[11:27] <Andruk> do XFX drivers/cards with nVidia chipsets generally support Compix/XGL/Beryl/AiGLX?
[11:28] <Ingjerd> ok, I got it working by booting into windows and mounting the ext3-drive from there and replacing the kernel-backup in /boot
[11:28] <tom_G> Andruk : yea nvidia are good, buy nvidia!
[11:28] <dystopianray> Andruk: it's just a an nvidia card, so yes
[11:28] <Andruk> cool, thanks!
[11:28] <tom_G> Andruk: and u dont need xgl, just aiglx
[11:28] <Ingjerd> andruk: drivers are mostly tailored to chipsets, not specific cards
[11:29] <Andruk> Ingjerd: oh, that makes more sense i suppose...
[11:29] <dystopianray> Andruk: the brand of the card doesn't matter, they only differ in clock speeds, heatsinks and other minor deatils
[11:29] <Andruk> cool
[11:29] <dystopianray> and the windows software bundle
[11:30] <jin> how can you enable more compiz effects in feisty?
[11:30] <jojoman02> is the RC out?
[11:30] <dystopianray> jojoman02: not yet
[11:31] <jojoman02> it's already the 13th:P
[11:31] <jojoman02> :(
[11:34] <Andruk> tom_G: yeah...ati really drops the ball with linux support.  they should really just ink out a legal deal with different distros that will allow the distros to tailor the driver to their distro, but the distros cant release any of the specifications so nVidia cant steal ideas
[11:35] <sohum> ok, i have a weird problem with my feisty installation
[11:35] <jojoman02> dime
[11:35] <dystopianray> Andruk: I'd rather distros didn't waste their time screwing around with binary drivers
[11:35] <sohum> i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang
[11:36] <tom_G> Andruk: no they should just release the specs, for all but their brand new cards, thereby forcing nvidia to release the specs as well, then we can all be happy with os drivers, except for the new cards with cutting edge technology, so ati would have les work to do only supporting those, and they might then be a half decent driver
[11:36] <sohum> my network connection (managed by NetworkManager) drops, system monitor freezes, any commands I try to run with sudo hang
[11:36] <sohum> but evrything else seems to work fine
[11:38] <Frost^> Howdy. I've ran an upgrade today (feisty to feisty) and my system is now unbootable. When I boot I get a message regarding mdadm, which finds no devices.
[11:39] <pollyo> Hello
[11:39] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[11:39] <pollyo> Anyone here have beryl running on legacy nvidia?
[11:39] <sohum> pollyo: i have bery on a new nvidia, sorry
[11:40] <Frost^> I don't have any RAID at all, and so I stuffed an old live CD and reconfigured the mdadm package accordingly. I've also changed the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S25mdadm as the readme suggests to /etc/rc2.d/K75mdadm. Still, when I boot, I have the same message. I was wondering what is causing mdadm to run at all. Any suggestions?
[11:40] <dystopianray> pollyo: you'll need to use xgl for legacy nvidia
[11:40] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[11:40] <sohum> ...can anyone read me?
[11:41] <dystopianray> sohum: are there any error messages?
[11:41] <sohum> dystopianray: not that i can see
[11:42] <sohum> dystopianray: should i check any logs?
[11:42] <dystopianray> sohum: ah i'm not really sure
[11:42] <dystopianray> sohum: check the log files in /var/log/ to see if there is anything suspicious
[11:42] <sohum> which ones?
[11:43] <sohum> dystopianray:^
[11:43] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm. probably daemon and messages
[11:45] <Frost^> Howdy. I've ran an upgrade today (feisty to feisty) and my system is now unbootable. When I boot I get a message regarding mdadm, which finds no devices. I don't have any RAID at all, and so I stuffed an old live CD and reconfigured the mdadm package accordingly. I've also changed the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S25mdadm as the readme suggests to /etc/rc2.d/K75mdadm. Still, when I boot, I have the same message. I was wondering what is caus
[11:45] <sohum> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.host_name
[11:46] <sohum> dystopianray:^, and it repeats three more times with the last section changing to domain_name, nis_domain, and nis_servers
[11:46] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm I'm not sure if that is causing or contributing to your problem
[11:47] <dystopianray> sohum: it'd have to be something fairly major if it's breaking so many applications
[11:47] <Sharcho> Is there some way to disable the network icon in the gnome panel?
[11:48] <sohum> dystopianray: nmbd is also complaining about not finding a domain master browser, but that's an old error (i think)
[11:48] <dystopianray> sohum: that nmdb error shouldn't matter, samba should make itself the master browser if it finds no others
[11:49] <zeroflag> is there any way to get xen running without installing a ancient kernel?
[11:50] <sohum> dystopianray: oh, and when i ran ps auxkpcpu, the X server was at the bottom of the list, using a large amount (I didn't see how much) of cpu
[11:50] <dystopianray> sohum: how much cpu?
[11:50] <sohum> (last tiem the freeze happened)
[11:50] <tom_G> zeroflag: th kernels using something else isnt it now? kvm?
[11:50] <dystopianray> tom_G: that is different from xen
[11:50] <zeroflag> huh?
[11:51] <sohum> dystopianray: didn't check, but more than beagled, which normally uses 30-50%
[11:51] <tom_G> dystopianray: i know, but its still virtualization
[11:51] <dystopianray> tom_G: kvm needs hardware virtualisation support
[11:51] <tom_G> dystopianray: oh right sorry, my bad
[11:51] <Trewas> Frost^: maybe it's caused by bug 106063, latest kernel being unbootable seems to be a common problem...
[11:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106063
[11:52] <julio_> When I turn on my computer the NetworkManager Applet says "No Network Connection" but I can still connect to the internet, so I have to restart my connection manually to get the message to go away
[11:56] <Frost^> Trewas: I see
[11:56] <Frost^> Well I haven't tried booting an older kernel, I might do that later on. Thanks.
[11:59] <sohum> anyone can help me?
[12:01] <sohum> in case it matters, i've upgraded this straight from edgy, from ~herd5 onto now
[12:04] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:04] <sohum> dystopianray: nmbd is also complaining about not finding a domain master browser, but that's an old error (i think)
[12:04] <zeroflag> I don't like xen.
[12:04] <sohum> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.host_name
[12:04] <zeroflag> first I need to build a new kernel and then it's not even the latest. :[
[12:04] <sohum> and it repeats three more times with the last section changing to domain_name, nis_domain, and nis_servers
[12:04] <sohum> oh, and when i ran ps auxkpcpu, the X server was at the bottom of the list, using a large amount (I didn't see how much) of cpu
[12:05] <sohum> dystopianray: didn't check, but more than beagled, which normally uses 30-50%
[12:05] <sohum> in case it matters, i've upgraded this straight from edgy, from ~herd5 onto now
[12:05] <sohum> anyone can help?
[12:07] <Gambaroni> When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why?
[12:07] <zeroflag> AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH
[12:08] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:08] <zeroflag> can anyone suggest some kind of virtual machine tool that is free and DOES NOT require a outdated custom kernel?
[12:08] <Chetwin> Hi all
[12:09] <Chetwin> This one time... At I've had too much to drink camp...
[12:09] <Chetwin> I'm so drunk, I couldn't play an FPS if my life depended on it
[12:09] <sohum> zeroflag: qemu?
[12:10] <Chetwin> F qemu until I can get 3d
[12:10] <Chetwin> qemu!
[12:10] <Chetwin> !qemu
[12:10] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:11] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:16] <zeroflag> sohum: possibly something that runs fast/native.
[12:20] <balster_neb> anyone know if the fix for the kernel boot problem has reached the respositories?
[12:21] <mixandgo> is there any reason for avahi thingy to exist ? :D
[12:21] <dystopianray> mixandgo: it's for zeroconf
[12:22] <mixandgo> and who starts it ? cause its not in rc2.d
[12:23] <mixandgo> I am seriously thinking to switch back to gentoo
[12:24] <vio> hiya
[12:24] <vio> easy question: cgwd theme on compiz what do i need to install for cgwd support?
[12:25] <dystopianray> mixandgo: I think it's in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[12:26] <dystopianray> mixandgo: and /etc/default/avahi-daemon has the setting of whether to start it or not
[12:33] <kane__> hi, latest kernel upgrade broke feisty for me.. (some problems with nvidia modules...)
[12:34] <dystopianray> kane__: you'll need to be more specific about what the problem is
[12:35] <kane__> right now I'm in console... how can I get you the info (what info)?
[12:35] <dystopianray> kane__: use the nv driver to get back into X
[12:37] <dystopianray> kane__: does dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any info about why the nvidia driver is failing to work?
[12:37] <zeroflag> ok, this is officially ridiculous...
[12:37] <zeroflag> windows cd boots faster in qemu than in native...
[12:37] <NickGarvey> I try to do my upgrades.. and I am getting "  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] "
[12:38] <kane__> dystopianray wait a second I
[12:38] <dystopianray> zeroflag: are you using kqemu?
[12:38] <gemidjy_> 403 forbidden error while fetching http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[12:38] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: that would be the one
[12:38] <NickGarvey> everything else works
[12:38] <jin> omg, I forgot to watch bleach this week :(
[12:38] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: good, I thought I got banned or something hah
[12:38] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: wait for 10 minutes, might be developpers update
[12:38] <mixandgo> dystopianray, and who starts network-manager ?
[12:38] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: banned??
[12:39] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: sounds good to me, if you want to do the rest of your upgrades then you can just do "sudo aptitude upgrade", that will keep going even if one package fails
[12:39] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: like I apt-get updated  too much or something, so my ip got banned
[12:39] <dystopianray> mixandgo: it's in the same folder that the avahi init script is in, there is probably something /etc/default/ to control whether it starts or not
[12:39] <bullgard4> Since last upgrade my NetworkManager Applet shows in a tooltip 'No network connection' despite I have a functioning Ethernet connection. This error did not appear during last but one upgrade. Do you observe the same phenomenon?
[12:40] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: that can't be a case
[12:40] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: yeah, because same thing happened to you, so its not just me :)
[12:40] <mixandgo> dystopianray, so the way to shut them up is to remove the file completelly from events.d ?
[12:40] <mixandgo> *event.d
[12:41] <dystopianray> mixandgo: no there should be a file for them in /etc/default/
[12:41] <kane__> dystopianray what I found "Failed to load nvidia kernel module"
[12:41] <dystopianray> kane__: do you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[12:41] <_eMaX_> re
[12:42] <kane__> dystopianray well the problem might be that after installing the 14 kernel I rebooted but it didnt start (it hanged right at the beginning so I restarted again and chose 13 kernel...
[12:42] <_eMaX_> bullgard4: I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out the line iface eth3 inet dhcp and finally to restart network-manager
[12:43] <_eMaX_> anyone has an idea what's wrong since last update I get no more sound
[12:44] <_eMaX_> tons of snd_* modules are loaded, yet I hear nothing.
[12:44] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: have you checked the volume levels?
[12:44] <_eMaX_> yes
[12:44] <_eMaX_> with my thinkpad specific buttons and also with kmixer
[12:45] <kane__> how can I find out where does the startup hang?
[12:46] <mixandgo> dystopianray, it's not in /etc/default
[12:46] <zdzichuBG> kane__: in grub menu, press 'e' twice and remove "quiet"; or replace it with "verbose"
[12:46] <OlMightyG> hi guys
[12:46] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: are you sure that nothing is muted?
[12:47] <OlMightyG> my feisty is noch booting after some updates
[12:47] <OlMightyG> made yesterday evening some.. everything fine. today morning some more but then it hung while booting
[12:47] <dystopianray> mixandgo: avahi-daemon is in there, but for network-manager I'm not exactly sure how to disable it, I don't have it on the machine i'm currently using
[12:49] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: I'm checking again and again. no I don't see anything being muted
[12:49] <OlMightyG> is this booting problem known?
[12:50] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: where does it hang?
[12:50] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what sound card do you have?
[12:51] <OlMightyG> within the ubuntu screen. even recovery mode does not work. booting with the old kernel works
[12:51] <Hidan> woohoo feisty's almost smooth for me now xD
[12:51] <dystopianray> mixandgo: easiest way to disable networkmanager is to just uninstall it
[12:52] <mixandgo> dystopianray, I could also remove it's starting script
[12:52] <mixandgo> but there must be a clever way
[12:53] <dystopianray> mixandgo: probably, but I don't know what it is
[12:54] <kane77> hi, I managed to get the graphics back, however, the 2.6.20-14 kernel hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" (or something like that) any ideas why?
[12:55] <mixandgo> dystopianray, I can't understand why so many daemon startup ways/scripts
[12:56] <clever[rev] > [115755.320000]  BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[12:56] <clever[rev] > that aint good
[12:56] <dystopianray> mixandgo: yeah i know what you mean, it's quite retarded compared to how gentoo handles it, i am also previously a gentoo user
[12:57] <mixandgo> I thought I was the only one feeling this way about it
[12:57] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: I have commented out the line "iface eth2 inet dhcp" and I am going to restart my NetworkManager. Thank you.
[01:00] <_eMaX_> good luck
[01:01] <dystopianray> is there any way to get network-manager to flash or something if there is network activity?
[01:02] <dystopianray> the system tray icon i mean
[01:04] <rocky|away> just got a kernel update... booting appears to be hanging :(
[01:04] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: The irritating tooltip message has been replaced with a correct one. I hope this will persist even when rebooting.
[01:05] <_eMaX_> bullgard4: yet does it connect your network?
[01:05] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: Yes it does.
[01:05] <_eMaX_> ok cool. it persists after rebooting.
[01:05] <OlMightyG> @rocky: me too
[01:06] <_eMaX_> now I just have to unfuckup my sound settings. Seems I've to compile the alsa drivers myself according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406676
[01:07] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: is it a known issue?  seems like even booting in recovery mode is hanging
[01:07] <rocky|away> it's failing after it detects my builtin multi-flash-card reader
[01:07] <rocky|away> s/failing/hanging/
[01:07] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: is there a bug filed for this issue? I'd recommend simply using an older kernel until it is fixed
[01:07] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: well I am using an older kernel.
[01:07] <OlMightyG> @rocky: i dont know if it is known. here it hangs after detecting my sata device
[01:08] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: it seems related to the fact that restricted modules were updated.
[01:08] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: restricted-modules should not affect alsa
[01:08] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: at least, according to that thread
[01:08] <gharz> guys, i'm getting an update notice for linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic but i'm getting an error => 403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] . why?
[01:08] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: right, it's detecting my mult-flash-card reader as SDX devices (right after it detects my SATA as SDX devices)
[01:08] <rocky|away> so it sounds related
[01:09] <dystopianray> gharz: it's probably only a temporary issue, give it 30 mins or so and try again
[01:09] <gharz> dystopianray, thanks!
[01:09] <gharz> maybe...
[01:10] <gharz> dystopianray, coz this is the first timei'm getting an error downloading updates.
[01:10] <_eMaX_> I also tried apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 libasound2-dev
[01:10] <OlMightyG> @rocky: yes. seems so. any idea how to solve this problem?
[01:10] <_eMaX_> didnt help
[01:10] <OlMightyG> @rocky: i booted with my old kernel. that works
[01:10] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: are you getting those dmesg errors about missing symbols?
[01:10] <_eMaX_> I was thinking of the headphone jack sense which had been a problem a while ago, yet this setting no longer appears in alsa mixter
[01:10] <_eMaX_> no
[01:11] <_eMaX_> dmesg | grep sym gives nothing
[01:11] <gharz> guys, anybody here's who's using kiba-dock?
[01:11] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what if you grep for 'snd'
[01:11] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: just booted another kernel like you ... don't know of anything else
[01:11] <_eMaX_> nothing
[01:11] <rocky|away> it's a bit scary that recovery mode of the current kernel doesn't work tho
[01:11] <_eMaX_> lsmod | grep -i snd gives many modules
[01:12] <dystopianray> rocky|away: all it does is boot into single user mode, still depends on a working kernel
[01:12] <OlMightyG> @rocky: if even the recoverymode does not work.. how can we do anything :) ?
[01:12] <_eMaX_> it's a bit scary that this type of problems occurs a week before release
[01:12] <rocky|away> oh
[01:12] <rocky|away> _eMaX_: indeed
[01:13] <rocky|away> heh, the only older kernel i have installed is a 386 one with no smp so my second core isn't being used :(
[01:13] <_eMaX_> .oO(canonical should not have hired that guy from microsoft)
[01:13] <rocky|away> lol
[01:13] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: the release will be delayed if critical issues like this aren't fixed
[01:13] <OlMightyG> @dystopianray: what do you mean with singel-user mode?
[01:13] <_eMaX_> well anyway. I'm waiting for my stupid winxp install to finish in my vmware and then I'll just try the windows approach.
[01:13] <_eMaX_> i.e., reboot.
[01:13] <balster_neb> canonical hired someone from microsoft?
[01:14] <_eMaX_> I think his name was bill gates.
[01:14] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: it's another runlevel where no daemons or network services are started
[01:15] <balster_neb> ah, that guy
[01:15] <Hobbsee> (new kernel's building now, i think)
[01:15] <_eMaX_> They gave him a cool welcome package... http://www.inforos.ru/?id=17998
[01:15] <OlMightyG> @dystopianray: any idea how to make my other kernel work again?
[01:15] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: not really, sorry
[01:16] <OlMightyG> is it possible to run the old kernel and upgrade it to the final one?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> OlMightyG: chroot in, update the kernel, when the new version is published
[01:16] <_eMaX_> Oh shit
[01:16] <Hobbsee> OlMightyG: of course, yes
[01:16] <_eMaX_> how could I possibly have overlooked that
[01:16] <_eMaX_> today's friday the 13th
[01:16] <balster_neb> yup
[01:16] <balster_neb> the date explains all the troubles
[01:17] <OlMightyG> i tried to find out if it will work... but the updatemanager says that my system is up to date.
[01:18] <rocky|away> only having one core active sucks
[01:18] <OlMightyG> what was the version number of the kernel update today?
[01:18] <_eMaX_> rocky|away: why was it youre not using the current kernel
[01:18] <dystopianray> rocky|away: it'll probably be more like: 2.6.20-14.24
[01:20] <balster_neb> I guess I'll probably have to wait another 12 hours or so before I can do my edgy -> feisty upgrade
[01:20] <_eMaX_> hmm. xp is truely amazing. right after installation, it logs me in, opens the start menu and shows a "guitar" icon right next to my user name. How did it detect I play guitar.
[01:21] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: it randomly picks an image for your user's icon
[01:21] <rocky|away> _eMaX_: huh? i am using the current kernel, that's the problem, it's hanging my system
[01:21] <kekZpriester> _eMaX_, i think you used windows before, which was phoning home, so M$ knows much more than only that you are playing guitar
[01:22] <balster_neb> that, or microsoft has hired a creepy guy to spy on you
[01:22] <OlMightyG> @emax: it scans your brain, transmits it to microsoft and for saying thank you it choses one nice icon for you
[01:22] <_eMaX_> obviously it was listening through my microphone sometimes and found me playing a guitar.
[01:22] <_eMaX_> wow
[01:22] <_eMaX_> It doesn't propose anything under recent documents, like an mp3 of my recent songs
[01:22] <balster_neb> one of these days you'll hear windows apluad for you after you play
[01:23] <_eMaX_> LOL
[01:23] <OlMightyG> @rocky: does grub show you the new kernel?
[01:23] <clever[rev] > !oops
[01:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <dystopianray> it'd be awesome if windows slipped anti-linux propaganda randomly into any sounds it plays
[01:23] <gharz> guys, anybody here who's using kiba-dock on feisty?
[01:26] <_eMaX_> next thing that's broken is nat for vmware
[01:26] <_eMaX_> fuck
[01:26] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[01:26] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:28] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: i just went to /var/cache/apt and found the previous 2.6.20-14 kernel and dpkg -i installed it and it's working fine
[01:29] <UberPsyX> hi, i have a problem with my wireless connection, i just lost my connection after about 5mins after setting it up and cant reconnect, i can see the router on wifi-radar but cant get the IP. any ideas?
[01:29] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried restarting the router?
[01:29] <UberPsyX> and im running feisty
[01:29] <UberPsyX> yup
[01:29] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does it work fine with edgy?
[01:30] <rocky|away> bah, deskbar-applet crashes everytime i log in now
[01:31] <UberPsyX> dont know, i used to have a good connection with edgy then something went wrong with ubuntu so i reinstalled and updated to feisty now i just got the wifi card working again and got a connection then i lost it and reconnected, it was fine then it died again and i now cant connect
[01:31] <rocky|away> and... for some odd reason everytime i log in i have no network connection so i have to click on the networkmanager icon in my panel tray and re-select wired connection again
[01:31] <_eMaX_> UberPsyX: did you ever think of commenting out "iface eth3 inet dhcp" or similar in your /etc/network/interfaces and then to restart network-manager?
[01:31] <UberPsyX> god i hate setting up wifi connections
[01:32] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: if you use network-manager it'll only take a few seconds
[01:32] <UberPsyX> ive tried network manager always fails
[01:32] <OlMightyG> @rocky. so i should not do this too?
[01:32] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: how does it fail?
[01:32] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: do what?
[01:33] <UberPsyX> it comes up at the bottom, connection faile
[01:33] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does it fail in the same way that wifi-radar is currently failing to connect?
[01:33] <UberPsyX> think so
[01:33] <Jed> Hey, i need a hand when you have a moment spare someone
[01:33] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does any other distro or operating system work with the wireless?
[01:33] <OlMightyG> re install the old kernel
[01:34] <rocky> OlMightyG: you can try it sure ... worked for me
[01:34] <UberPsyX> edgy used to work and feisty has worked
[01:34] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried moving closer to the access point?
[01:34] <UberPsyX> well im at a desktop but yes its pretty damn close
[01:34] <OlMightyG> you said you have problems now
[01:34] <rocky> OlMightyG: oh i had those problems before :)
[01:35] <OlMightyG> what do i have to do to install it?
[01:35] <Jed> what drivers are your wireless card using?
[01:35] <UberPsyX> me? i have a bcm4318 chipped card so i had to use a firmware thing
[01:36] <Jed> hmmmm, let me just do some research
[01:37] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried with ndiswrapper?
[01:37] <Gambaroni> When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why?
[01:37] <UberPsyX> yes
[01:38] <UberPsyX> i got the card working fine now i just need to get the connection working
[01:38] <Jed> have you tried bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[01:38] <OlMightyG> @rocky: what do i have to do to reinstall the other kernel?
[01:39] <UberPsyX> well i skipped a step and downloaded the right firmware
[01:39] <UberPsyX> then it started working
[01:39] <Jed> its working now?
[01:40] <UberPsyX> the card is yes, the connection was but isnt now and i need to try and get a connection again but it keeps saying it cant get the IP
[01:40] <Jed> you use dhcp?
[01:40] <UberPsyX> yup
[01:41] <Jed> just assign an ip address manually for now, should work in theory
[01:41] <anti_pop> which package do i need in order to get video preview pictures in konqueror ??
[01:43] <UberPsyX> on the router and the ubuntu pc?
[01:43] <Jed> just on the ubuntu pc
[01:43] <Jed> works with mine
[01:44] <UberPsyX> nope didnt work
[01:45] <Jed> ok, switch wireless to roaming mode, click the network manager icon and click your wireless network
[01:45] <UberPsyX> ive also tried setting my wifi card to roaming mode but it still doesnt work
[01:45] <Jed> ssid hidden?
[01:46] <UberPsyX> no broadcast ssid etc
[01:46] <Jed> hmmmm, you tried rebooting?
[01:46] <Jed> i always forget to do it lol
[01:46] <OlMightyG> rocky, you there?
[01:47] <UberPsyX> what between changing settings?
[01:47] <Jed> nope, just reboot the computer, should work
[01:48] <_eMaX_> re
[01:48] <Jed> I probably sound like an idiot asking this but when the final release of feisty comes out will my install just update to it?
[01:48] <_eMaX_> rebooted and sound works
[01:48] <_eMaX_> somehow vmware nat is still not working
[01:48] <_eMaX_> anyone here proficient in iptables?
[01:49] <UberPsyX> nope still doesnt help
[01:49] <Jed> hmmmm, someone help me on this, would rebooting the router work?
[01:50] <UberPsyX> nope tried that
[01:50] <UberPsyX> lol
[01:50] <UberPsyX> its really temperamental
[01:50] <UberPsyX> my pc hates me
[01:50] <UberPsyX> as soon as one thing starts working another thing kills itself
[01:51] <Jed> go to a terminal, type "modprobe bcm43xx" without quotes and reboot
[01:51] <bullgard4> What is the function of the file ~/.dmrc?
[01:51] <Jed> best put sudo before it though
[01:51] <Lunar_Lamp> When I try to install packages, I get an error saying that there is a problem with tftpd-hpa
[01:52] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:52] <kane77> the 2.6.20-14 kernel hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" at startup (or something like that) any ideas why?
[01:54] <Jed> UberPsyX: let me know how it goes
[01:54] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:54] <UberPsyX> brb
[01:56] <alex-weej> wooooaaaaah, kernel update today doesn't boot
[01:56] <Lunar_Lamp> http://www.pastebin.ca/437982 <== can anyone help.
[01:56] <fryfrog> alex-weej: does it dump you into busybox?
[01:56] <alex-weej> what's busybox?
[01:56] <fryfrog> i'm having a problem with the initrd image on my system :/
[01:56] <alex-weej> it just halts, something do to with n_sectors mismatch
[01:56] <fryfrog> nm, totally different
[01:56] <UberPsyX> Jed: i typed it and hit enter and it said there was no module called bcm43xx so i just tried to connect and it worked!!
[01:57] <UberPsyX> blooming temperamental pc
[01:57] <Jed> woo yay lol
[01:57] <UberPsyX> lol
[01:57] <UberPsyX> thanks a lot for your help
[01:57] <Jed> its ok
[01:57] <UberPsyX> btw have you sorted the problem you had when you came
[01:57] <Jed> me?
[01:57] <UberPsyX> yer
[01:58] <Jed> i just had a question, i wanted to know if feisty would update to the final release when it came out?
[01:58] <UberPsyX> ah
[01:58] <UberPsyX> i think it comes up in a bubble as an update and you click it and it will upgrade to the final release
[01:58] <Jed> ok, thanks
[01:58] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:58] <UberPsyX> cya
[01:59] <fryfrog> Does anyone know much about initrd?  My system on a pair of SATA disks using the ata_piix in RAID1 will not boot.  It looks like the initrd image is *not* loading any of the needed drivers
[02:00] <_eMaX_> fryfrog: I had to put some additional modules into my initrd
[02:00] <_eMaX_> for sata
[02:01] <_eMaX_> for me, I put, in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules:
[02:01] <Lunar_Lamp> I can't do any upgrades or install any packages as tehre is a failed package (tftpd-hpa) blocking everything.  How can I fix this?
[02:01] <_eMaX_> vesafb, fbcon, ata_generic, ata_piix, libata, ahci, scsi_mod, sg, sd_mod, ext3, xfs
[02:01] <_eMaX_> the latter one since I'm booting from an xfs partition
[02:02] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: so does it matter if those modules are already *in* the initrd?
[02:02] <fryfrog> or does that file cause them to be used/loaded?
[02:02] <_eMaX_> yes otherwise you won't obviously be able to see your drives
[02:02] <_eMaX_> that file causes them to be there and to be loaded
[02:02] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: the thing is, those modules are *in* my initrd, but they just don't get loaded
[02:02] <_eMaX_> put them in that file
[02:03] <_eMaX_> otherwise, you'll drop to your command line...
[02:03] <fryfrog> oh, humm maybe not
[02:03] <fryfrog> okay i'll try that
[02:06] <fryfrog> do you know where in the initrd i should find proof that this should load those modules?
[02:07] <fryfrog> Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/kernel/drivers/ata/ata_piix.ko
[02:07] <fryfrog> that was there last time I ran the update-initramfs :(
[02:09] <fryfrog> humm, my initrd is very different now
[02:09] <fryfrog> its got a lot of files i didn't have before
[02:09] <fryfrog> why the frick did my edgey -> feisty go so badly in the initrd department
[02:09] <alex-weej> fryfrog: does -13 boot?
[02:10] <alex-weej> -14 fails for me too with my SATAs
[02:10] <alex-weej> but i have no RAID
[02:11] <fryfrog> oh, nothing booted :/
[02:11] <fryfrog> but it is -14
[02:11] <fryfrog> but i think it was something to do with the update-initramfs
[02:11] <alex-weej> did you try -13?
[02:11] <fryfrog> cause 2.6.11 and .13 didn't boot either
[02:11] <chijin> my sata drives work fine with -14
[02:11] <fryfrog> no, i never had 2.6.20-13
[02:11] <chijin> with no raid
[02:11] <alex-weej> fryfrog: try it
[02:11] <fryfrog> just -14
[02:11] <alex-weej> fryfrog: it's still in main
[02:12] <fryfrog> i can't i'm remote to the box now
[02:12] <alex-weej> fryfrog: it might be the same as mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[02:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:13] <kane77> or mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/106190
[02:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:13] <ra21vi> When is Feisty going to be released?
[02:13] <fryfrog> my *other* edgy -> feisty box updated, but "hda" switched to "sda"
[02:13] <alex-weej> kane77: that's my bug report...
[02:13] <fryfrog> and its using 2.5.20-14
[02:14] <alex-weej> fryfrog: your fstab and grub should have been using UUIDs since Edgy
[02:14] <fryfrog> the UUID entries were #commented out for some reason
[02:14] <kane77> alex-weej, eh right.. I copied from the wrong tab :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106192
[02:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 106192 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20-14 (amd64 generic) hangs at startup "waiting for root filesystem"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:14] <fryfrog> but that was an easy fix
[02:14] <balster_neb> are there any estimates as to when the new kernel will be out?
[02:15] <alex-weej> kane77: same thing exactly, boot without the "quiet" option and see if you get the same n_sectors mismatch thing
[02:15] <kane77> alex-weej, I boot with the verbose is it the same?
[02:16] <ra21vi> what part in kernel which shows graphical boot process,... I did compiled a custom kernel, and the boot msg is gone.. I have to wait, and then I get login GDM .. no console or graphical msg in between
[02:16] <balster_neb> I'm planning a edgy->feisty upgrade, so it's probably necessary for me to wait until this problem is fixed :(
[02:17] <alex-weej> balster_neb: good plan
[02:17] <fryfrog> alex-weej: no, i don't get that i spent last night working on it
[02:17] <alex-weej> fryfrog: ok
[02:17] <wm_eddie> Is anybody else getting a 403 message from us.archive.ubuntu.com? when downloading linux-image-generic?
[02:18] <fryfrog> alex-weej: i get dumped to busy box, where it has failed to load the moduels for my ata_piix / sata_sil and raid1 modules
[02:18] <alex-weej> ic
[02:18] <wm_eddie> the 2.6.20-14.23 one.
[02:18] <fryfrog> so it can't mount the / partition
[02:19] <miranda82> hello
[02:19] <balster_neb> the trouble is that I have been postponing this upgrade for the last 1 week or so :(
[02:19] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: so i've done that, and did a diff -BurN on the two initrd images and the *only* difference is a few entrys in the ./etc/modules file
[02:20] <fryfrog> what i don't get is... what happened?  did the update-initramfs tool go wonky and stop including the required modules to load?
[02:20] <miranda82> does anyone know, if quake3, with wine, is supposed to run ok under this xorg? because i can't get the mouse to work correctly, it only moves like 50 degrees..
[02:21] <fryfrog> looks like a new linux-image-2.6.20-14 was released
[02:22] <wm_eddie> fryfrog: Yeah. But I can't download it for some reason.
[02:22] <fryfrog> ah
[02:22] <miranda82> wm_eddie, me neither...
[02:23] <fryfrog> i got a 403 forbidden :(
[02:23] <arthur> Hi there. Anybody on Feisty using rtl WiFi powered cards?
[02:23] <miranda82> as me
[02:24] <arthur> I gave Feisty a shot last night and works great but there seem to be no rtl modules
[02:24] <arthur> Is it just me?
[02:25] <fryfrog> is there a mirror for http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[02:25] <fryfrog> do you think?
[02:25] <kadakas> after installing todays updates in 7.10 and restarting, the booting progress window just froze
[02:25] <kadakas> ubuntu did not boot
[02:26] <fryfrog> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[02:26] <kadakas> but when i selected the .12 kernel in grub, then ubuntu works fine
[02:26] <fryfrog> seems to work
[02:26] <kane77> kadakas, you mean 7.04?
[02:26] <kadakas> yes
[02:27] <IdleOne> !gutsy
[02:27] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:27] <kadakas> i meant 7.04
[02:27] <Hidan> geez update manager keeps hanging
[02:27] <kadakas> im a bit sleepy, so typos occur :p
[02:27] <kane77> kadakas, did you install kernel upgrade? (2.6.20-14)?
[02:27] <kadakas> i guess so
[02:27] <kadakas> i just installed all the updated ubuntu told me to install
[02:28] <kadakas> the update manager did it automatically
[02:28] <Hobbsee> kadakas: newest kernel is busticated
[02:29] <kane77> there is a bug, you can fill in your bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106192
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 106192 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20-14 (amd64 generic) hangs at startup "waiting for root filesystem" (dup-of: 106190)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:29] <kadakas> busticated ?
[02:29] <RainCT> Hi. I updated yesterday and now (after start it again) I can't see the title's of the windows, and the "show desktop" button isn't working (it says that it isn't supported by the current window manager or there is no one)
[02:30] <RainCT> (also windows don't appear at the bottom panel and they hide the top panel :S)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> kadakas: broken
[02:31] <kadakas> ok
[02:32] <kadakas> so i have to keep selecting the right kernel in grub until bug 106190 is fixed ?
[02:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[02:33] <kadakas> bug
[02:33] <kadakas> 106190
[02:33] <kane77> kadakas, i guess so...
[02:33] <kadakas> ok
[02:33] <kadakas> i hope they fix it soon
[02:34] <pollyo> Hello
[02:34] <pollyo> Anyone running nvidia legacy with beryl?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> kadakas: they're in the process
[02:35] <kadakas> :)
[02:35] <wm_eddie> So they chmod'd the latest kernel-image so that people wouldn't break their system?
[02:35] <kadakas> i almost reinstalled the whole system
[02:35] <roda> where can i find ubuntu 7.04 rc iso images?
[02:35] <wm_eddie> (for the people who use us.archive.ubuntu.com at least)
[02:35] <kane77> kadakas, it shouldnt take too long as the final version release date is approaching fast..
[02:35] <kadakas> im a bit rusty, just moved from xp
[02:35] <kadakas> its ok then
[02:36] <kadakas> i took that into account when selecting a beta OS
[02:37] <wm_eddie> I hope this new kernel fixes my sleeping/hibernation problems. (They are IDE related)
[02:39] <balster_neb> roda, the RC isn't out yet
[02:39] <balster_neb> it's been delayed to fix a bunch of problems
[02:39] <zeroflag> that's it.
[02:39] <wm_eddie> Yay, there's a new network manager too.
[02:39] <zeroflag> 4 days work for nothing...
[02:40] <roda> balster_neb, thanks, is there a list of these problems somewhere on the launchpad.. I'm kind of new with ubuntu development process
[02:40] <zeroflag> took me 4 days to set up ubuntu with all drivers and everything, now it dies because I let the updater update my system.
[02:40] <zeroflag> completely dead.
[02:40] <zeroflag> can't even boot it via alternate cd rescue.
[02:41] <balster_neb> roda, you could check the mailing list archives for announcments: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/thread.html
[02:41] <wm_eddie> zeroflag: Woah 4 days?  I haven't had that much trouble installing linux drivers since 1999.
[02:41] <wm_eddie> Oh wait 2002, gentoo.
[02:42] <zeroflag> wm_eddie: dmraid with every bug possible, nvidia graphics with every bug possible and nvidia onboard sound with every single annoyance of the setup...
[02:43] <zeroflag> plus grub/beryl/X/update screwing up m y whole system about 3 times...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: new kernel is coming.  use a chroot to update
[02:43] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: the rescue CD couldn't mount my root.
[02:43] <roda> zeroflag, what happened? where is it hanging?
[02:43] <pollyo> zeroflag: What do you mean by dead?
[02:43] <pollyo> zeroflag: Do you get any startup messages?
[02:43] <zeroflag> well, I can't boot ubuntu. it hangs after complaining that the root device isn't ready.
[02:44] <zeroflag> same with rescue boot.
[02:44] <wm_eddie> That really sucks.  I remember having problems with onboard nvidia stuff too (on another computer) I hope whoever's decicion it was to keep the drivers closed dies a slow and painful death.
[02:44] <fryfrog> do you end up in busybox?
[02:44] <zeroflag> and the rescue from alternate cd also can't mount my root device.
[02:44] <roda> shit, i did an upgrade to latest feisty and it kill my network
[02:44] <roda> had to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:44] <fryfrog> since i'm really a gentoo bitch, i just used a gentoo install cd to get my environment to chroot into
[02:44] <zeroflag> I'm currently trying the live cd.
[02:44] <zeroflag> maybe I can find my system with dmraid.
[02:45] <fryfrog> zeroflag: you may simply need to load the right drivers to be able to find it, is your / a RAID1?
[02:45] <zeroflag> fryfrog: fakeraid0
[02:45] <fryfrog> wtf is fakeraid0?
[02:45] <zeroflag> nforce raid.
[02:46] <fryfrog> oh, is that linux drivers for the onboard... ah, that
[02:46] <zeroflag> not really a raid but an aided software raid.
[02:46] <fryfrog> yeah, gotcha
[02:46] <lester_> hey. I run feisty and recently during an upgrade my nvidia driver failed. I tried reverting back to the old one, tried nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk repo for an upgrade and tried download.nvidia.com manual install, all failing with "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia". Looks like some module script is broken, but I have no idea where/what. Anyone available please?
[02:46] <fryfrog> for some reason, it seems like the -14 kernel's initrd image gets generated with no useful modules loading
[02:46] <Hidan> johnnybuoy : heya :D
[02:46] <fryfrog> the modules are *there* but they don't get used
[02:46] <johnnybuoy> hey
[02:46] <johnnybuoy> hi, Hidan
[02:46] <johnnybuoy> how's your comp. doin'?
[02:47] <fryfrog> it *seems* to me like it is a problem with update-initramfs, because it *also* screwed up all my old kernel's initrd's
[02:47] <Hidan> jonnybuoy: hi xD Okay... my comp's been doing fine so far. And I also believe I've figured out the source of the problem.
[02:47] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: However, please don't laugh... :p
[02:47] <toodles> Hi everyone, I was wondering why the links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC point to the beta release instead of the RC. Possible I've got it all wrong though...
[02:48] <toodles> :-)
[02:48] <Hidan> toodles: RC isn't released yet
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, I won't, plz tell :)
[02:48] <mniewiera> hi all
[02:48] <toodles> Hidan, Ah, my mistake! Thanks
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: Okay you see, my PSU also supports fanless mode. I realised there was something very suspicious when the "Fan" led was not lighted.
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: and it seems that I forgot to turn on the fan for my psu :p
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> woohoo
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> ah, thet's fun
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> a bit of overheating, I suppose...
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah very likely. :p
[02:49] <zeroflag> last try...
[02:49] <zeroflag> if this fails again, I'll install windows.
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, SURELY
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, great,
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, usually, random lockups are hardware caused..
[02:51] <mniewiera> im using feisty and since the updates today my system doesnt find my sata hard drive... has someone an idea ?
[02:51] <fryfrog> mniewiera: seems to be a common issue :(
[02:51] <mniewiera> i found 2 other users which are also using feisty und have the same problem...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mniewiera: it's broken.  wait.
[02:51] <zeroflag> not....
[02:51] <zeroflag> finding...
[02:51] <zeroflag> sata...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> fix is on it's way, being tested
[02:52] <fryfrog> if you can chroot into your environment, you might be able to aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade and get a new kernel that keeps coming out
[02:52] <zeroflag> now, I wonder why my system isn't booting up...
[02:52] <Hohlraum> haven't checked to see if they replaced that kernel that was uploaded last night.  system wont even boot
[02:52] <Hohlraum> anyone know?
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> ah?
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> so I shouldn't update yet?
[02:52] <mniewiera> ok thank you... how long will it take for the fix, are it hours or days ?
[02:52] <fryfrog> also, maybe adding entries for your system /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and running update-initramfs
[02:52] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: correct
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mniewiera: hours.  we've got a RC to release!
[02:53] <mniewiera> ok thank you
[02:53] <mniewiera> bye
[02:53] <fryfrog> out of curiosity, does anyone know what the actual problem is?
[02:53] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: if there wasn't this "beta" thing on feisty I'd consider such an update a major screwup...
[02:53] <eMaX_> is iptables not working by any chance since the last update?
[02:53] <Hohlraum> with my system I get ATA errors with the new kernel.
[02:53] <fryfrog> i've seen the symptoms and dug around, and it seems to *me* something is not working right in the initrd image
[02:53] <benoitc> hi
[02:53] <IdleOne> someone take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15369/ and tell me how to fix this error when trying to upgrade kernel?
[02:53] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: yep, back. i went to get dinner.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: it's a development release.  deal.
[02:54] <benoitc> i have a problem today with last update on feisty beta . all the machine is slow. I think it's rrelated to mdadm. and the fact that the disk now use pata_amd
[02:54] <fryfrog> either it isn't generated with the required modules or something
[02:54] <Hobbsee> benoitc: known, wait, and update
[02:54] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: well, i was feeling slightly embarrassed but at least, no hardware damage. =)
[02:54] <eMaX_> apparently I cannot get NAT to work even though I didn't change anything with my client systems or the iptables config
[02:54] <zeroflag> Hobbsee, release, not "a developers working folder for testing"...
[02:55] <benoitc> Hobbsee: in the mean time what could I do without waiting. Ids the solution published somewhere ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> benoitc: it's being accepted right now.  just wait.
[02:55] <ixiion> when will RC1 get released ?
[02:55] <benoitc> mmm ok
[02:55] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: At least my PSU was good enough to work without the fan... most generic or even low budget PSUs would likely fry.
[02:55] <benoitc> thanks
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ixiion: seven hours after the last person asked.
[02:55] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, yeah, luck on that on :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> benoitc: :)
[02:55] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, yep, true
[02:55] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: i doubt they'd deliberately kill it this late, do you?
[02:56] <Hohlraum> so who screwed up on that kernel? bet they got some serious shit hehe.
[02:56] <wm_eddie> It's all that new IDE crazyness.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> at this point, the devs are concentrating on getting things released
[02:56] <Hidan> jonnybuoy: yeah :) but then again SevenTeam manufactures PSUs for industrial use, so if their PSUs were cruddy, they'd have been hit with some lawsuits.
[02:56] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: I hope not. I'm just REALLY annoyed by this because my WHOLE system is completely DEAD!
[02:57] <Hobbsee> the only reason i'm here is because i'm taking a break from teh unmet deps
[02:57] <zeroflag> there are ctrl+alt+f1/2/3 shells in live cd, right?
[02:57] <Hidan> unmet deps? what's that?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: i see that.  production systems + development release == ?
[02:57] <lester_> hey. I run feisty and recently during an upgrade my nvidia driver failed. I tried reverting back to the old one, tried nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk repo for an upgrade and tried download.nvidia.com manual install, all failing with "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia". Looks like some module script is broken, but I have no idea where/what. Anyone?
[02:57] <wm_eddie> Today is Friday the 13th.  Remember never to upgrade your computer on Friday the 13th every again.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Hidan: unmet dependancies
[02:57] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: its for testing.. not for use as a primary desktop/server.  sides,
[02:57] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: heh
[02:57] <Hohlraum> i was able to boot just fine in the previous kernel.  well cept the video no longer works :)
[02:58] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: well, if the "stable" would work with my hardware, I'd use it...
[02:58] <wm_eddie> zeroflag: You just kind of picked a bad day.
[02:58] <zeroflag> wm_eddie: no, the day is picking on me.
[02:58] <wm_eddie> That too.
[02:59] <zeroflag> arasdvhcvhasdf
[02:59] <Hidan> hobbsee: i see. :)
[02:59] <fryfrog> zeroflag: were you able to chroot into your broken system?
[02:59] <wm_eddie> Make sure to send an angry e-mail to nvidia too.
[02:59] <Hohlraum> anyone know what the deal is with reverting to the older nvidia driver?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> why do they always release on a thursday?
[03:00] <Hohlraum> Hobbsee: to avoid any friday the 13th's ;)
[03:00] <fryfrog> so they can go home on friday and ignore it for the weekend A:)
[03:00] <zeroflag> I wanted to write a draft to suggest my diploma thesis topic. instead I'm working on my system which died for the 5th time in 4 days for unknown reasons...
[03:00] <zeroflag> fryfrog: still working on it because livecd just died - again!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> fryfrog: could well be
[03:00] <fryfrog> zeroflag: how does a livecd die?
[03:00] <zeroflag> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:00] <johnnybuoy> zeroflag, what do you mean "died"
[03:00] <zeroflag> -> monitor freezes.
[03:00] <johnnybuoy> ??
[03:00] <fryfrog> zeroflag: if you don't suck at command line, the gentoo "livecd" is only 125mb and makes a *great* working environment
[03:00] <zeroflag> -> nothing works.
[03:01] <fryfrog> that is what i'm using to chroot into my system
[03:01] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: btw what hardware you running?
[03:01] <zeroflag> fryfrog: I'm just not too sure if I can get dmraid working with gentoo...
[03:01] <benoitc> zeroflag: why not working on livecd waiting pb is fixxed ?
[03:02] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: 3600+X2, nforce570SLI (ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe), 2x1GB Corsair something, 8800GTS, Soundblaster X-Fi (which obviously doesn't work! 300euro for using onboard sound!)
[03:02] <roda> zeroflag, don't you have a grub option for booting from an older kernel?
[03:02] <fryfrog> zeroflag: for me, the raid modules were all loaded up.  but i've never used fakeraid
[03:02] <zeroflag> roda: as dead as my main boot.
[03:03] <fryfrog> it uses 2.6.17 kernel, is that good enough?
[03:03] <zeroflag> roda: dies half way through boot when it tries to mount the root device.
[03:03] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: you're using driver raid?  dude never use that the whole concept is shit.
[03:03] <benoitc> mmm 2.6.17 boor don't seems to work here
[03:03] <zeroflag> roda: funny thing is, it IS able to mount my fakeraid for loading grub (which is on my root device) but as soon as the kernel boots it can't find it anymore...
[03:04] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: tell that microsoft and the raid-card-manufacturers. I won't go without raid but I won't pay 300euro for a raid-chip either...
[03:04] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: if you wanna do raid just do linux software raid it will perform very nicely for you.
[03:04] <fryfrog> zeroflag: i think it is because the initrd isn't loading the drivers
[03:04] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: can't dualboot that with windows.
[03:04] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: windows has a software raid solution too ...
[03:04] <roda> zeroflag, i'm not sure, then it's probably some post initrd software bug.. if it worked before on that old kernels that are available on your grub menu
[03:04] <fryfrog> zeroflag: raid0 on your *system* is frankly retarded
[03:04] <zeroflag> fryfrog: probably. but why can't the alternate cd mount the system?
[03:05] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: which gets along with linux's? sure.
[03:05] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: and I'm pretty sure that linux understands windows software raid now days.
[03:05] <fryfrog> zeroflag: frak if i know, but gentoo mounted up mine just fine.   but i'm not using that fakeraid crap
[03:05] <bullgard4> What is the function of the file ~/.dmrc?
[03:05] <zeroflag> fingers crossed, mount my root.
[03:06] <BluesKaj> 'howdy all :)
[03:06] <fryfrog> damn, if only i were at home i could test if i've fixed my shit!
[03:06] <zeroflag> worked!
[03:06] <zeroflag> now, where's the update? >_<
[03:06] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: building.
[03:07] <Hidan> flyfrog: why dont' you go to a netcafe or something? unless your work is on your computer?
[03:07] <zeroflag> :/
[03:07] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: it's the kernel, right?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: yes
[03:07] <Hobbsee> and then l-r-m
[03:07] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: nothing I can do to temporarely fix it?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> (then d-i)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: no.  just wait.
[03:07] <zeroflag> =[
[03:07] <fryfrog> Hidan: It is my home server that is busted, I am at work and think i have the problem resolved
[03:07] <fryfrog> but i can't eject the cd remotly :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> unless you want to grab the source, build it yourself
[03:08] <zeroflag> goodbye time for my diploma thesis...
[03:08] <Hidan> flyfrog: ahhh ROFL eject the cd remotely lol...
[03:08] <Hidan> flyfrog: that sounds like some Evil Scientist's dream. :P
[03:08] <BluesKaj> daily update here seems fine so far ...kernel update as well , more to added to the bootmenu
[03:08] <zeroflag> too bad a asynchronous realtime simulation engine concept doesn't document itself...
[03:08] <lester_> is there anyone available to help with a problem/possible bug report?
[03:08] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: dude if raid is that important to you buy a REAL raid card.  not that driver raid crap.  you're always going to have these problems with that crap.
[03:09] <Hidan> flyfrog: With this new device, I will be able to eject the Pentagon , into outerspace!!!!!
[03:09] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: *sigh* I know. as soon as I'm done with university and get some money, trust me, I will...
[03:09] <fryfrog> Hidan: its "fryfrog" :p
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> wtf ""
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic 2.6.20-14.23
[03:09] <BluesKaj> raid cards work
[03:09] <ScarFreewill>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: deliberate
[03:09] <Hidan> fryfrog: ahh, thank you for the correction ^__^
[03:09] <fryfrog> ScarFreewill: throw in a "ca." and it'll get it, but i think that might have been done on purpose
[03:09] <zeroflag> ScarFreewill: you lucky bastard!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that kernel's broken, that's why it's 403'd.
[03:10] <fryfrog> Hidan: it makes me have to read, instead of highlighting your msg for me :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that's the old kernel
[03:10] <AdministratorX> Where can I download linux-image-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[03:10] <Hidan> fryfrog: heh yeah :P
[03:10] <zeroflag> in theory, when I build a custom kernel it should be fine, or not?...
[03:11] <BluesKaj> adept updates  AdministratorX
[03:11] <Hidan> fryfrog: anyways back to my dinner..
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag: why am i lucky?
[03:11] <zeroflag> ScarFreewill: my system is dead because I have that kernel...
[03:11] <fryfrog> Hobbsee: is it a problem in the kernel?  Or maybe my problem is not actually what is going on now.  Cause mine, all the right modules are there (and I can load them), they just don't load when I try and boot
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag: lol
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> :P
[03:11] <Hobbsee> fryfrog: i think it's a kernel problem
[03:11] <AdministratorX> So I should google adept updates?
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> i've got kernel 14 though
[03:12] <mixandgo> does gaphor work for anyone ? I get a segfault
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> i'm just not runing it
[03:12] <Hidan> yummy, fried rice!!! :D
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> when i installed 14 it broke 13 too but 10 is working for me
[03:13] <mixandgo> ** (gaphor:5933): WARNING **: couldn't make the type `CanvasGroup' ready
[03:13] <mixandgo> TypeError: Cannot create a consistent method resolution order (MRO) for bases GObject, CanvasGroupableIface, CanvasGroupable Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:13] <fryfrog> Hobbsee: ah, I wonder what that problem is.  Makes me curious
[03:13] <zeroflag> arghs.
[03:13] <zeroflag> they even removed the linux headers.
[03:13] <BluesKaj> AdministratorX: look in the menu/system/adept
[03:14] <fryfrog> the thing i don't get though is that it broke *all* my other initrd images :(
[03:16] <AdministratorX> I don't use KDE, so adept is not there under gnome
[03:16] <zeroflag> what's the command to install a .deb package?
[03:16] <zeroflag> I think I found my old kernel...
[03:16] <toodles> zeroflag, sudo dpkg -i mypackage.deb
[03:16] <zeroflag> toodles: right, thanks.
[03:17] <toodles> zeroflag, :-)
[03:17] <Hidan> btw does Desktop Effects work well? and i wonder if compiz and beryl will work too.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> awwww, no gutsy yet...
[03:17] <mon^rch> Hidan: effects are super-duper :)
[03:17] <zeroflag> Hidan: beryl worked for me... about 10 minutes.
[03:17] <toodles> Hidan, I thought desktop-effects = compiz  . . . ?
[03:18] <zeroflag> after that it either gave me black windows or killed everything when I started gdm...
[03:18] <wm_eddie> Hidan: Get gnome-compiz-preferences too
[03:19] <Hidan> mon^rch: zeroflag: toodles: oh i didn't know... any of that lol. ya see, given that many people were having problems, so i decided not to touch it and work on fixing my issues first.
[03:19] <zeroflag> figners crossed again, reboot into my system...
[03:19] <Hidan> wm_eddie: okay thank you. ^^
[03:20] <Hidan> gnome-compiz-preferences hmmm i don't see that anywhere in Synaptic
[03:20] <Hidan> wm_eddie: oh wait it's now under gnome-compiz-manager
[03:20] <zeroflag> =[
[03:21] <zeroflag> seems I'm still too stupid for installing my kernels...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: after feisty
[03:21] <wm_eddie> what why?  It's like a one-line fix.
[03:22] <Hidan> okay going to enable desktop effects now
[03:22] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag can't you boot into kernel 10 or a older one?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: it's not release-critical
[03:23] <lester_> another problem then: I debootstrapped feisty due to lack of installation cd, and the root account was enabled by default. I disabled it and put my user in the admin group and added myself as a sudoer. now, everything works fine except for gksudo and sudo not asking for my password, I sudo in without password check. Anyone know how to fix that?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: and "one line fixes" can break other things
[03:23] <Hidan> wow desktop effects ARE cool!
[03:24] <timothy_> I assume the problem with today's update is known?
[03:24] <wm_eddie> I would say it's release critical because it makes Ubuntu look stupid.
[03:24] <Hidan> even better, it doesn't look like it's chewing up much of my cpu :P
[03:24] <timothy_> kernel 2.6.20.14 won't boot and nvidia drivers in 2.6.13 are messed up after update
[03:25] <wm_eddie> "Hey look I can have my workspaces on a cube, doh no I can't"
[03:25] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: bug #?
[03:26] <ScarFreewill> universe is 3.5 mb it takes so long to download the list on my slow internet :P
[03:26] <lester_> timothy_: didn't know that. it should be listed somewhere.. I've had huge headaches :P
[03:26] <Hidan> wm_eddie: haven't tried the cube effect yet. :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh, it's main.  i cant upload that.
[03:26] <mon^rch> wm_eddie: nods
[03:26] <timothy_> lester_, there seem to be many users today who had the problem
[03:26] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: icons are not release critical.
[03:26] <wm_eddie> icons?
[03:26] <timothy_> when the update completes, 2.6.20.14 boots and then you end up in a black terminal, without anything :d
[03:26] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: capplet, sorry
[03:26] <kane77> timothy_, that is known bug, see bug 106190
[03:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[03:27] <timothy_> it simply can't boot the kernel :d
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hang on.  /me wonders what a capplet is
[03:27] <timothy_> ok hang on
[03:27] <Hobbsee> timothy_: wait, update again
[03:27] <eMaX_> anyone here knows about problems with nat/iptables recently?
[03:27] <timothy_> Hobbsee, I know :d I don't mind afterall it's beta :d
[03:27] <timothy_> just needed to know if I had to post :d
[03:27] <ScarFreewill> timothy_: same here
[03:27] <Hidan> wow that's a really awful problem, people... to be kicked into a black screen. I applied the updates today but didn't have any problems.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> timothy_: no.  known broken, fix is building
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Hidan: it's development....
[03:28] <timothy_> sweet :)
[03:28] <timothy_> that's why I love linux
[03:28] <kane77> timothy_, i have that too...
[03:28] <ScarFreewill> Hobbsee: where can we see the bug if we can?
[03:28] <lupine_85> this is why I laugh when I see people recommending feisty to teh n00bs, hehe
[03:28] <timothy_> if it was a microsoft prob it would have cost me a 90 phone call and all I'd get is "we'll fix it in the next few months :p
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Hello.. I'm having a problem accessing the package pool on archive.ubuntu.com
[03:28] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: yeah, well.  they just need a whack with the cluebat
[03:28] <pschulz01_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_amd64.deb
[03:28] <wm_eddie> Man this whole release critical thing is stupid.
[03:28] <ScarFreewill> lupine_85: lol
[03:28] <Hobbsee> pschulz01_: known.  dead.  deliberate
[03:28] <kane77> timothy_, you can run 13 kernel... (you'd need to reconfigure xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia...
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Oh..
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Ta..
[03:28] <timothy_> kane77, yep that's what I'm running now :d
[03:29] <timothy_> :)
[03:29] <timothy_> once feisty is final
[03:29] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: that's half of #ubuntu-effects and the other half of #beryl, then. Should I line them up for you? ;)
[03:29] <timothy_> we'll have all the windows desktops transfered to ubuntu
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli> Say - update manager is giving me this error:
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[03:29] <timothy_> our test users seem very pleased :)
[03:29] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah it might be Development. However, I'm very happy that the Development is active. :p
[03:29] <ScarFreewill> maybe someone needs to set the topic of the channel...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Hidan: :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: haha
[03:30] <Hidan> hobbsee: At least, you don't get problems like "oh we'll give you a fix in a few months or even years" :P
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: i'm tempted.  but this will go away RSN
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> there's gona be alot of ppl asking the same question
[03:30] <Hobbsee> in the next hour or so
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> ok
[03:30] <kelsa|martalli> ScarFreewill:  Am I not the only one?
[03:30] <lester_> kelsa|martalli, it's broken, probably on hold. a fix is on the way
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> kelsa|martalli: no
[03:31] <PyroMessiah> how can I format a usb drive in feisty?
[03:31] <mon^rch> should I be ignoring updates for now or something?
[03:31] <kelsa|martalli> lester_:  , ScarFreewill No problem, I can wait
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: should be a listing of RC bugs, on launchpad.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.04 looks promising
[03:31] <kelsa|martalli> My comp rebooted no problem, so I am pretty sure that my kernel isn;t toasted
[03:32] <johnnybuoy> so, what about this sata problem?
[03:32] <mon^rch> wtf? my keyboard doesn't have a "pipe" key :/
[03:33] <fryfrog> it is the CAPS of \
[03:33] <fryfrog> usually near or above ENTER
[03:33] <mon^rch> DOH
[03:33] <mon^rch> looks like 2 dashes/
[03:33] <mon^rch> ...
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> one wonders why that character is termed "pipe"...I have wondered that since I was first told to tuse it back in oh 1989
[03:34] <Hidan> ROFLMAO pipe?! That's the first time i've heard of that. :p
[03:35] <_Neil> isnt it because it can pipe data from one thing to another?
[03:35] <_Neil> ie ls -la | grep 'something'
[03:35] <lester_> kelsa|martalli, it's probably called a pipe charachter by it's traditional use - piping commands in a shell..
[03:35] <_Neil> passes output of ls through a pipe to grep
[03:35] <Hidan> _neil: really? i didn't know that.
[03:36] <lester_> probably has a proper "official" name
[03:36] <mon^rch> anyway, thanks, fryfrog
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: found the bug #'s
[03:37] <kelsa|martalli> possibly offtopic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_character
[03:37] <_Neil> hey guys, if i swap virtual terminals using ctl alt fx, then come back to x, it hangs on a black screen
[03:37] <_Neil> same as it does if I resume from standby
[03:37] <_Neil> any ideas?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> !breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[03:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[03:37] <xipietotec> does anyone know of a repo for thunderbird 2.0 for feisty?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: doesnt exist
[03:38] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: it's only at a RC.  use the mozilla binaries
[03:38] <xipietotec> is it going to break things if I've allready installed 1.5?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> !no breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[03:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[03:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[03:38] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: see w.u.c/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[03:39] <xipietotec> w.u.c?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> wiki.u.c
[03:40] <kane77> its friday 13th.. what would you expect... kernel troubles...
[03:40] <Hidan> lol friday the 13th :P
[03:40] <fryfrog> damn, Mark Shuttleworth is a lucky guy!
[03:40] <xipietotec> mon^rch: use my gmail as an archive, and have recent messages stored on my local machine for offline use =)
[03:41] <Hidan> lucky guy? why?
[03:41] <jonah> hi guys, having serious problems installing wine, it installs fine from .deb and then i run winecfg and get this error: exec: 29: /usr/bin/wine: not found
[03:41] <fryfrog> he got to goto the ISS!
[03:41] <kane77> before bill :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/
[03:41] <Hobbsee> to all the people looking at breakage ^
[03:41] <Hidan> fryfrog: yes. must've cost a fortune, though.
[03:42] <mon^rch> xipietotec: yep, that's a good idea ;)
[03:42] <mon^rch> gmail is nice
[03:42] <fryfrog> $20M for ~10 days in space, i'd do it :)
[03:42] <valehru> hmm I upgraded to the new kernel, then all of a sudden it seems to restart on its own when I turn it on..can't even get to a shell...wtf.
[03:42] <kelsa|martalli> i wouldn't - I would do it for maybe 1-2k
[03:42] <kane77> if i had $20M i'd do it too :)
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> valehru:  Can you boot into 2.6.20-13?
[03:43] <hylje> hmm
[03:43] <kane77> !breakage |valeru
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> !breakage
[03:43] <ubotu> valeru: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[03:43] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, trying it now.
[03:43] <mon^rch> dind-ding... software updates available... I guess I should ignore that, eh?
[03:43] <xipietotec> pfft.... that's too much work Hobbsee =P I'll just wait until it gets release official and backported.
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> mon^rch:  The kernel packages won't download
[03:43] <kane77> mon^rch, maybe the kernel upgrade (for now...)
[03:43] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, Well X seems to be broken......wtf.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: dunno if it will.  wont be in -updates, taht's for sure
[03:44] <kane77> valehru, you have to reconfigure xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia driver...
[03:44] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: well, even if it isn't, once there's an official thunderbird 2.0 out, someone will make a 3rd party repo allmost certainly
[03:44] <kelsa|martalli> 2.6.20-14 update was broken...if you can at least get into the shell, you can do the update when it is ready
[03:44] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: likely
[03:45] <mon^rch> should I ignore the "headers" too?
[03:45] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, by real soon it means in the next few mins or hours?
[03:45] <kelsa|martalli> At least this happened during beta, and not a month into LTS, but it seems like a pretty big error.  Does it not happen on some machines, only a lot Hobbse?
[03:45] <kelsa|martalli> valehru:  Im not canonical.  Maybe Hobbsee is
[03:45] <xipietotec> oh great.....it's broken for everyone? I can't restart my computer until the new kernel is released/patched, lol
[03:46] <Hidan> oh my gods I love love love love love love Compiz!!!!
[03:46] <Hidan> and Ubuntu, too!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> valehru: next copule of hours
[03:46] <mon^rch> Hidan: :D
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> Thanks Hobbsee
[03:46] <valehru> Hobbsee, thx
[03:46] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: you may not be effected, you know
[03:46] <mon^rch> Hidan: it's a beautiful thing
[03:46] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: .....this is me we're talking about, of *course* I'll end up effected. =P
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> xipietotec:  Yeah, I upgraded all the way but the new kernel wouldn't come down
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> I rebooted
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> just fine
[03:47] <Hidan> mon^rch : yeah it is... :p
[03:47] <valehru> Hobbsee, my server is, was the first time I updated and restarted in three weeks...and now this happens...gah
[03:47] <kelsa|martalli> xipietotec:  my uname -a = Linux pundit 2.6.20-14-386 #2 Mon Apr 2 20:34:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <Hobbsee> valehru: your server is running feisty?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: *grin*
[03:48] <valehru> Hobbsee, @home server....
[03:48] <kane77> Hobbsee, let us know when the update's ready...
[03:48] <kelsa|martalli> Well, hmm Hobbsee how can I tell if I have the right/wrong 20-14?
[03:48] <valehru> Hobbsee, not a productionvmachine.
[03:48] <wm_eddie> Ahh I see the root of the problem in desktop-effects.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kelsa|martalli: you dont have the right one
[03:48] <valehru> hmm...I switched back to nv and 2.6.20-14 and now im just getting a blank screen
[03:48] <Hobbsee> valehru: great :)
[03:48] <|NewUser|> getting problem with upgrading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15383/
[03:48] <valehru> le sigh
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kane77: you'll know, you'll see it
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kane77: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-15.24  - top left corner, about the builds
[03:49] <kelsa|martalli> lol - mine is working well...what would it be if it was broken (ie don't reboot =)
[03:49] <mon^rch> lol valehru
[03:49] <kelsa|martalli> Hobbsee:  oic nvmd
[03:49] <mon^rch> ok, that's it... I'm not updating anything
[03:50] <kelsa|martalli> |NewUser|:  loveguru@freakydesktop?
[03:50] <wm_eddie> When it starts it reads that you have only one desktop if you have cube working.  And then it sets the cube to have only one desktop.
[03:50] <wm_eddie> They tried to be smart.
[03:50] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli:  yes? thats my prompt.
[03:51] <kelsa|martalli> |NewUser|:  I like your sense of humor
[03:52] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli: ty :p but well i m using sudo with updating so its happened anything wrong?
[03:52] <wm_eddie> I bet if you move the g_signal_connects after the settings are read the problem will dissapear.
[03:53] <wm_eddie> The fix is even easier than I thought.
[03:54] <mon^rch> am I amopngst programmers? (now I feel un-intelligent)
[03:54] <mon^rch> specially with my spelling
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:55] <Hobbsee> spelling's overrated
[03:56] <mon^rch> so what's up with the network-manager?
[03:57] <wm_eddie> Lots of dev libraries for such a small program.
[03:57] <Hidan> hmmm
[03:57] <mon^rch> (sniffffff) I smell breakfast :p
[03:59] <mon^rch> I sure hope that this compiz-beryl merging thing doesn't mean compiz graphics are as choopy and un-smooth like beryl :/
[04:00] <mon^rch> wonder what it'll be called....
[04:01] <mon^rch> now thers an idea...
[04:01] <balster_neb> there's a couple of new files added to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/
[04:01] <balster_neb> does that mean the fixed kernel is ready?
[04:02] <balster_neb> or is in the process of getting ready?
[04:02] <clever> im getting a 403 error when trying to upgrade the kernel image
[04:02] <|NewUser|> clever: same problem with me trying to update kernel image.. but 403 Error found.
[04:02] <kelsa|martalli> clever:  |NewUser|:  The new kernel is broken and they have locked us out fro upgrading (
[04:02] <kelsa|martalli> !breakage
[04:02] <|NewUser|> no File or page there.
[04:02] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:02] <clever> ahh lol
[04:03] <|NewUser|> umm
[04:03] <clever> i also have a diff problem
[04:03] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli:  okie ty..
[04:03] <clever> atleast 15 kernel oops's
[04:03] <clever> within 1 hour
[04:04] <clever> [117532.604000]   <1>BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[04:06] <wm_eddie> Anyone here know the procedure to build a deb from a src.deb?
[04:07] <jmichaelx> after the most recent updates, i can no longer boot into 2.6.20-14. anyone else having this problem? i using feisty with 2.6.17 at the moment
[04:07] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: dpkg-buildpackage foo.dsc?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> debuild?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> !breakage
[04:08] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:08] <Hobbsee> !breakage | jmichaelx
[04:08] <ubotu> jmichaelx: please see above
[04:08] <jmichaelx> Hobbsee: ty
[04:08] <jmichaelx> i am sorry if 60 other people have asked the same question lol
[04:08] <Hobbsee> jmichaelx: that's why i made the factoid :)
[04:09] <|NewUser|> thats better ;/
[04:10] <clever> [117658.936000]  Modules linked in: cifs nfs lockd sunrpc nls_cp437 isofs udf arc4 tun binfmt_misc rfcomm l2cap bluetooth nbd ppdev speedstep_smi speedstep_lib cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave cpufreq
[04:10] <clever> wrong paste
[04:10] <clever> [117532.604000]   <1>BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[04:10] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: patch -p1 < path/foo
[04:10] <|NewUser|> BBL*
[04:10] <clever> what would cause that and where should i report the rest of the dump?
[04:11] <valehru> oh well, this breakage will give me some time to practice my Chinese chars....
[04:11] <acuster> hey all, anyone else having network monitor no longer seeing wireless networks?
[04:11] <acuster> in the last few days
[04:11] <clever> acuster: linksys/rtl card?
[04:12] <acuster> wow, centrino something or other
[04:12] <wm_eddie> Hobbsee: thanks again.
[04:12] <clever> acuster: the rtl module for my wifi card was added to the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist because it kept some systems from booting at all
[04:13] <clever> the end of that file names the bug #'s and you can manualy modprobe the module or comment those lines out if they are the cause of the problem
[04:13] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: :)
[04:13] <acuster> clever, thanks, I'd be surprised since it's the free(ish) intel chip
[04:13] <clever> ahh
[04:13] <johnnybuoy> !RC
[04:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <clever> yeah i have an intel wifi card in another laptop
[04:14] <clever> had to get the firmware from the intel site and agree to something
[04:14] <johnnybuoy> !Release-candidate
[04:14] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: will be a while yet
[04:15] <acuster> glossy gnu eh?
[04:15] <wm_eddie> Damnit, compiling this thing is like a million times harder than the fix.
[04:15] <johnnybuoy> Hobbsee, ah..
[04:17] <Hidan> !release-candidate
[04:17] <Hidan> let's see...
[04:17] <Hidan> oh well
[04:18] <wm_eddie> Bleh, I have little time to fight with you debuild
[04:20] <balster_neb> so is the new kernel going to be 2.6.20-15.24?
[04:21] <Hidan> damn my sudoku skills aren't up to scratch
[04:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, Hmm is it me or are we not allowed to fetch the 2.6.20-14.23 kernel anymore :)
[04:23] <Kaplan_> i have that installed
[04:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it's not you
[04:24] <PriceChild> good good :)
[04:24] <gnomefreak> 2.6.20-15.24 will be the fixed kernel
[04:24] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-15.24
[04:24] <PriceChild> woo
[04:25] <mon^rch> I like the rain effect :
[04:26] <HorizonXP> hey
[04:26] <HorizonXP> how come i can't get the rain effect on beryl to work?
[04:26] <Hidan> anyone got this error while trying to update?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/source/Sources.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch
[04:27] <mon^rch> (I use compiz)
[04:27] <Kaplan_> so this is out 2.6.20-15.24  ???
[04:27] <gnomefreak> Hidan: run apt-get update again
[04:27] <gnomefreak> Kaplan_: not in repos yet but will be in next day or so
[04:27] <johnnybuoy> when does it get to the mirrors?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ^^^
[04:27] <valehru> johnnybuoy, exactly what I want to know.
[04:27] <johnnybuoy> :)
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> depends on the mirror, I guess..
[04:28] <gnomefreak> its been uploaded and might have been pushed but i can let you know in a minute
[04:28] <gnomefreak> expect it later today
[04:28] <gnomefreak> maybe tomorrow
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> oki'doc
[04:28] <valehru> is it on a specific server now?
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> hmm :(
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> let's flood it!
[04:28] <gnomefreak> valehru: no
[04:29] <johnnybuoy> ;P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: after it's built.
[04:29] <gnomefreak> they maybe waiting for the rest of the package they need to upgrade with it
[04:30] <jmichaelx> moving to 2.6.20 must have been trickier than usual... lots of kernel related breakages
[04:31] <jmichaelx> feisty seems really nice, though, i must say
[04:31] <gnomefreak> i dont think i would say lots
[04:31] <mon^rch> compiz can't handle .emerald, can it?
[04:31] <Hidan> gnomefreak: strange. why does apt-get update work while running Update manager more than twice, not work?
[04:31] <root> So I did an update last night and now I am dropped to busybox.
[04:31] <Taim> hang on.
[04:31] <jmichaelx> gnomefreak: i'm sure... i have only been around linux for a year, so i don't have all that much context
[04:31] <HorizonXP> wait
[04:32] <HorizonXP> what did this morning's updates do?
[04:32] <gnomefreak> jmichaelx: this is nothing
[04:32] <HorizonXP> i haven't restarted yet
[04:32] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: without you telling us the updates we cant tell you
[04:32] <fryfrog> guess Taim didn't wanna irc as root :)
[04:32] <Taim> Nope.
[04:32] <HorizonXP> oh, lol
[04:32] <HorizonXP> i don't know either, i just installed them
[04:32] <HorizonXP> there were like 45MB of udpates
[04:33] <HorizonXP> so i didn't bother reading them
[04:33] <HorizonXP> was there a kernel upgrade?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> you only get updates for what you have installed and i dont know what you have or when last time you updated.
[04:33] <Custombrush>  HorizonXP if you have sata hds dont restart
[04:33] <finalbeta> Sometimes I wonder who does GUI design. I get an update manager error, some files could not be downloaded and it asks me if I want to continue. Only after I choose it tels me what files couldn't be downloaded. should my answer to the first question be based on that :/
[04:33] <gnomefreak> this mornings for me is initramfs-tools kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager
[04:33] <HorizonXP> this is a laptop, so hopefully i'm ok, thanks custombrush
[04:33] <gnomefreak> libvte-common libvte9 python-vte
[04:33] <HorizonXP> python was updated for me i think'
[04:34] <juxon> how do I exit from a console ?
[04:34] <soothsay> exit
[04:34] <gnomefreak> juxon: exit
[04:34] <soothsay> ctrl-D
[04:34] <ConstyXIV> juxon: ctrl-C
[04:34] <finalbeta> alt-F4 :p
[04:34] <gnomefreak> ctrl+c doesnt exit a terminal and iirc neither does ctrl+d
[04:34] <gnomefreak> ctrl+d does
[04:34] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Ctrl-D normally exits a terminal (depends on shell and shell options)
[04:34] <lester_> gnomefreak, ctrl+d is an alias for logout
[04:34] <_Neil> ctrl-d does for me
[04:35] <gnomefreak> it inserts exit
[04:35] <_Neil> yeah :D
[04:35] <finalbeta> alt-f4 works for exiting everything. so that's the preferred answer.
[04:35] <_Neil> Hi guys, if i swap virtual terminals using ctrl-alt-f1, going back to x i hang at a black screens
[04:35] <_Neil> same if i resume from standby
[04:35] <_Neil> any ideas?
[04:35] <jonah> hi just installed feisty but exaile doesn't seem to want to play much, some songs play some dont
[04:35] <lester_> finalbeta, doesn't exit a console, only closes a window :P
[04:35] <PriceChild> _Neil, this is with some sort of compositing going on?
[04:35] <juxon> and all my applications are stopped if I go in a console?
[04:36] <soothsay> juxon: What?
[04:36] <_Neil> Pricechild: How do you mean?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> _Neil: compiz or beryl?
[04:36] <PriceChild> _Neil, have you got compiz or beryl running when you do this?
[04:36] <_Neil> Sure have, however it is the same without beryl...
[04:36] <burke> Hi! I have a major problem. I'm running the Feisty beta and after a recent upgrade my computer won't boot up anymore. I don't even get a real shell, just a minimal "initramfs" shell
[04:37] <juxon> soothsay: i mean, if I have gimp open and i start a console, when i go back it will be open again?
[04:37] <PriceChild> _Neil, same without beryl....? how odd
[04:37] <burke> does anybody have any idea what I could do
[04:37] <PriceChild> !breakage | burke
[04:37] <ubotu> burke: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:38] <Hobbsee> burke: just wait.
[04:38] <_Neil> Fails on suspend to ram resume also, I've tried adding a couple of acpi parameters to the grub boot line I found in an FAQ, however it made no difference..
[04:38] <burke> ubotu: thanks ... how will I be able to get the fix ... I can't even apt-get update
[04:38] <Hobbsee> burke: chroot
[04:38] <PriceChild> burke, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[04:38] <burke> thanks so much you all!
[04:38] <PriceChild> burke, that's instructions on how to use a live cd (or other linux install) to fix things
[04:38] <soothsay> juxon: Erm. It's easier to use, for example gnome-terminal, than to use virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-f1). But in either case, yes, your applications won't close themselves unless you logout
[04:39] <_Neil> Pricechild: My only other issue with Feisty is that, as in Edgy, the livecd still hangs at the gnome prompt with my 7800GT, graphical corruption is evident...
[04:39] <_Neil> Have to swap to vesa then install the nvidia packages
[04:39] <_Neil> Perhaps some issues with this card in ubuntu as a whole? :D
[04:39] <juxon> soothsay: ok, thanks
[04:39] <Taim> ooo..not good.  My system can't find /dev/disk/by-uuid/<annoying numbers>
[04:39] <mon^rch> where do I put ".cgwtheme"?
[04:39] <knewt> just wondering what the hold-up is with the Feisty RC? it was supposed to have happened yesterday, yes?
[04:39] <_Neil> Got a thread on the forum somewhere, a lot of people with my card had the same problem..
[04:39] <PriceChild> knewt, things a broken, be patient :)
[04:39] <soothsay> juxon: Be careful on this point which cases beginners by suprise: If you start an application from a terminal, then close the terminal, the application will close (since it is tied to it's parent process)
[04:40] <PriceChild> mon^rch, that's a _VERY_ old theme which is no longer compatible with anything.
[04:40] <soothsay> s/it's/its
[04:40] <gnomefreak> soothsay: unless  you add & to the end
[04:40] <soothsay> gnomefreak: No.
[04:40] <johnnybuoy> yep, true
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:41] <soothsay> gnomefreak: No.
[04:41] <knewt> PriceChild: heh, ok. maybe something on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule to indicate status would be useful?
[04:41] <gnomefreak> soothsay: it will stay in background
[04:41] <mon^rch> PriceChild: I wan't compiz to use a different theme besides the metacity one :/
[04:41] <PriceChild> knewt, that's the "plan", not how things turn out :)
[04:41] <soothsay> gnomefreak: It is still tied to the terminal. Go ahead. Try it.
[04:41] <mon^rch> aren't there compiz specific themes?
[04:41] <Hidan> hmmm Desktop effects was fun but it had to go. :( Once i enabled it, I could not transfer my windows in between workspaces.
[04:41] <Hidan> Oh well.
[04:41] <Taim> Mnn..OK...older kernel works.
[04:41] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: install Emerald. That's the compiz/beryl window decorator.
[04:41] <soothsay> soothsay: The way around it is to spawn in a subshell (separate process)
[04:41] <PriceChild> soothsay, not true, try "gedit &"
[04:41] <knewt> PriceChild: is there actually a status page anywhere?
[04:41] <lester_> gnomefreak, you'd have to fork the process out of the terminal, not just put it in the background
[04:41] <PriceChild> knewt, no
[04:42] <knewt> pity
[04:42] <PriceChild> ah
[04:42] <gnomefreak> soothsay: run it using example: gksudo synaptic & you are than able to close terminal
[04:42] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, actually no... :P
[04:42] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:42] <PriceChild> I just tried it with gedit and doesn't...
[04:42] <soothsay> gnomefreak: It can depend on your shell options, but in general you are wrong
[04:43] <soothsay> gnomefreak: I just did it with emacs
[04:43] <PriceChild> I thought it did too.
[04:43] <mon^rch> SlimeyPete: ok, how do I start emerald?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> i just did it with synaptic
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> PriceChild: I just tried and it does
[04:43] <gnomefreak> synaptic is still running
[04:43] <knewt> works here, although i'm back on breezy on this box
[04:43] <PriceChild> SlimeyPete, I guess it depends on setup then :)
[04:43] <PriceChild> We're all right :P
[04:43] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: you cant maybe due to beryl
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: once Emerald is installed, make sure you have the beryl-settings-manager installed. Run that, right-click on the icon that appears and select Emerald from the menu.
[04:44] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, this is an fluxbox session.. .nothing else
[04:44] <gnomefreak> but im playing in synaptic without term open anymore
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: that's roughly what you do... I'm having to recall this from memory as I don't have compiz on this machine
[04:44] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Again, it depends on shell options.
[04:44] <gnomefreak> soothsay: this is bash
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: once Emerald is running, you can use the emerald theme manager to install themes (you may have to grab it from synaptic)
[04:45] <gnomefreak> gksudo synaptic & opens it in background no longer needing terminal open
[04:45] <gnomefreak> if your useing something other than bash i cant help you. since bash is default
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Do this in the terminal 'shopt -u huponexit'
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Do this in the terminal 'shopt -s huponexit'
[04:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, gksudo foo & lets you do it
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Sorry, do the -s not the -u
[04:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, sudo foo & isn't
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: And retry your experiment
[04:47] <Gambaroni> when I'm going to install using netboot.. it says no disc driver.. Could it be because it tries to use the lan card as disc?
[04:47] <lester_> gnomefreak, isn't dash default now? or is that just default for /bin/sh?
[04:47] <gnomefreak> dash is system term not user term default
[04:49] <soothsay> gnomefreak: So you tried it?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> soothsay: and PriceChild i did it on a system default gnome-terminal bash session as it is installed. if you change it or use somehting to prevent it that isnt my fault.
[04:49] <lester_> gnomefreak, k.. I've ran into problems using proprietary installers like freenx and stuff..  just lucky I had run into an article explaining the problem before. sure looks lika a nasty bug without knowing it has been replaced..
[04:49] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, only works for gksudo, not sudo
[04:49] <PriceChild> or without sudo
[04:49] <gemidjy> still 403
[04:50] <mon^rch> SlimeyPete: the only way I can seem to use themes is with beryl...
[04:50] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: gksudo is how you run gui apps. i havent tried with sudo because you dont need to run a text app like that
[04:50] <gnomefreak> text app stays in terminal
[04:51] <soothsay> gnomefreak: 'Default' is system dependent. That was my point. I didn't (and don't) know the default for Ubuntu with Bash. On every other system I have used it closes by default. It is surprising to most beginners. That is all.
[04:51] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, but it doesn't work with a standard "gedit &"
[04:51] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, it _only_ works for "gksudo foo &" afaict
[04:52] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: try asking in #ubuntu-effects, they may be more helpful than me
[04:52] <gnomefreak> right.
[04:52] <gnomefreak> soothsay: seeing this is a ubuntu channel its helpful to know those things ;)
[04:53] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yes only works with gksudo to run normal apps there is a way i just dont remember it off hand
[04:53] <soothsay> gnomefreak: I don't use Bash. Why would I know?
[04:53] <soothsay> gnomefreak: And even if I did, I most certainly would use my own config
[04:53] <gnomefreak> soothsay: dont know what you use i just told you what it is on ubuntu default settings
[04:54] <hexidigital> hey all... is there a fix for the kernel update yet?
[04:54] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: not yet released
[04:54] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  cool.. just curious, how will i apply it to my non-bootable system?
[04:55] <hexidigital> or will i need to reinstall
[04:55] <PriceChild> hexidigital, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   if you dont see the new kernel it has not been released yet
[04:55] <PriceChild> hexidigital, that guide won't work yet though
[04:55] <hexidigital> hey, that's good enough for me
[04:55] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  i meant, i cannot boot the system
[04:55] <treq> hi, anyone knows why system services that are supposed to run on boot appearing as "not running" on system services?
[04:56] <treq> (kubuntu)
[04:56] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: can you boot in for lack of better words "safe mode"
[04:56] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  nope
[04:56] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: do you have another kenrel installed you can boot to
[04:57] <gnomefreak> while testing and even when not always keep a spare kernel in grub incase of issues
[04:57] <hexidigital> i didn't try *all* the kernels, but the ones i did try didn't work.. probably 4 or 5
[04:57] <Hidan> hmmm damn. even though i ran sudo apt-get update, I'm still getting md5 mismatch. :/
[04:57] <hexidigital> i usually keep the current + the last two kernels available in grub
[04:57] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: 4 or 5? we are on 14 going into 15
[04:57] <ScarFreewill> Hidan: are you on de mirror?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> what happened to 6-13
[04:58] <Hidan> scarfreewill: no, i'm downloading from the main server.
[04:58] <ScarFreewill> Hidan: de mirror was broken for me yesterday i switched to main server
[04:58] <gnomefreak> Hidan: its due to the Release file on the repo it will get fixed try another counrty code
[04:58] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  no... i meant i tried 4 or 5... not kernels 4 and 5
[04:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:58] <Hidan> gnomefreak: oh all right... phew
[04:59] <gnomefreak> one of the sources wasnt completely uploaded. maybe server shut down during upload or power failure
[04:59] <Hidan> gnomefreak: holy cripes lol
[05:00] <gnomefreak> i do think the ubuntu repos are automatic on gen. release file
[05:00] <Hidan> gnomefreak: 'tis a good thing we've md5 checksum then, otherwise think of the nightmare it'd create. :P
[05:00] <hexidigital> PriceChild:  your guide looks easy enough :P
[05:01] <PriceChild> hexidigital, you should even need to do that much if you can use a backup kernel
[05:02] <DrStein> hello
[05:02] <HairyDude> is there an archive for this channel?
[05:03] <aaroncampbell> I am CONSTANTLY being told by adept that It couldn't commit the changes...but then it shows all or most of the updates as unavailable (like they got installed)
[05:03] <PriceChild> !logs | HairyDude
[05:03] <ubotu> HairyDude: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:03] <DrStein> any updates on the kernel issue of lastnight?
[05:03] <PriceChild> DrStein, not yet
[05:04] <mon^rch> how do I change the default compiz theme?
[05:04] <DrStein> oww :s
[05:04] <HairyDude> thanks
[05:04] <DrStein> PriceChild: thanks
[05:04] <DrStein> see you later guys
[05:05] <addams> word ups
[05:05] <aaroncampbell> Specifically Adept says: There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:05] <aaroncampbell> And I think commiting should have 2 t's: "committing"
[05:05] <mawe> hi all. anybody else having problems with the last update in feisty breaking disk access?
[05:06] <fryfrog> mawe: nah, no one at all :p
[05:06] <addams> my last update of feisty was incomplete
[05:06] <burke> mawe: an update will be released soon
[05:06] <mawe> fryfrog: i guess thats a yes then...
[05:06] <USSJoin> Any idea when ubuntu's going to push the fixed kernel (to replace the current busted one)?
[05:06] <fryfrog> yeah :)
[05:06] <MarcN> I just tried to update from us.archive.ubuntu.com and get a 403 forbidden tryin to get linux-image-2.6.20-14-generica_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[05:06] <fryfrog> is your sata?
[05:06] <fryfrog> er, yours
[05:06] <mawe> fryfrog: no...
[05:07] <USSJoin> MarcN: That's because the kernel's been declared broken.
[05:07] <USSJoin> MarcN: All mirrors have 403'd the package until further notice.
[05:07] <MarcN> USSJoin: that is good then.   How about updating this channel's banner?
[05:07] <aaroncampbell> MarcN: what command did you use to update?
[05:07] <fryfrog> mawe: is it an nforce4 chipset maybe?
[05:08] <MarcN> aaroncampbell: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on a feisty that has been tracking updates
[05:08] <addams> i wonder what mark shuttleworth is doing at this very second
[05:08] <USSJoin> MarcN: I'd love to, if I knew when the new kernel was being pushed
[05:08] <fryfrog> mawe: can you get to the point where you can chroot into your busted environtment?
[05:08] <MarcN> aaroncampbell: needed only 38 new packages.
[05:08] <MarcN> USSJoin: just to say it is broken would be useful.  It is a pretty key component ;-)
[05:08] <mawe> fryfrog: i updated two machines: desktop has nforce chipset, laptop (also busted) is a thinpad x24 from the stone age, definitely no nforce or sata :-)
[05:09] <mawe> fryfrog: well, i rebooted with the previous kernel (-17)
[05:10] <MarcN> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:10] <Tominator> hi! I've got a huge problem with my bash! when I press "tab" for auto completation, it freezes... (feisty) does anybody know the problem?
[05:10] <eagles0513875> does this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_Windows_entry_into_GRUB_menu work with feisty as well
[05:10] <hexidigital> Hobbsee:  since no one reads the topic, why not set it to notice?
[05:10] <hexidigital> s/to/as
[05:10] <maccam94> eagles0513875, it should, seeing as it pertains to the windows part
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hexidigital: because no one reads notices either.
[05:10] <hexidigital> Hobbsee:  :/
[05:11] <Hobbsee> in fact, less so
[05:11] <eagles0513875> just  making sure
[05:11] <maccam94> w00t, good thing i haven't updated ubuntu since last evening...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hexidigital: i can give them the boot, but cant really physically do anything else to force poeple to read the info, or stop filing bugs over the same issue
[05:11] <addams> I just now read the topic
[05:11] <addams> the news will spread
[05:12] <Tominator> will the fix be availible through synaptic?
[05:12] <gnomefreak> who was it asking where they can get linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic??
[05:12] <aaroncampbell> MarcN: I was testing those commands...since I've been using the graphical equivalents (adept).  I see something in their output that bothers me though: 24 not fully installed or removed
[05:12] <Hidan> omg lol
[05:12] <gnomefreak> reason you cant get it is it is blocked due to breakage
[05:12] <aaroncampbell> What can I do about that
[05:12] <Hidan> i'm so NOT rebooting the pc if i can help it.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Tominator: no.  will be in antartica.  duh.
[05:12] <PriceChild> aaroncampbell, read the topic
[05:13] <HorizonXP> hey guys
[05:13] <HorizonXP> my wireless is a little messed up after yesterday's update
[05:13] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: let me guess n-m thinks you not connected but you really are?
[05:13] <HorizonXP> kinda
[05:13] <aaroncampbell> PriceChild: that's why I have 24 stuck packages?
[05:14] <finalbeta> Feisty keeps giving me errors on the update process, can't download the kernel image, I don't have the rights on the server :/
[05:14] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: the fix will be released shortly ;)
[05:14] <HorizonXP> the icon doesn't do the "Connecting..." animation like it did before
[05:14] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: read what i said 3-10 lines up
[05:14] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: its fixed waiting for push
[05:14] <mc44> Hobbsee: if i use sudo will the 403 error go away?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mc44: no
[05:14] <PriceChild> haha
[05:14] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: see the topic
[05:15] <HorizonXP> that and i have to get it to connect to a random network, then tell it to connect to the wireless network i want
[05:15] <mc44> Hobbsee: sorry :p
[05:15] <gnomefreak> YOU WILL NOT BEABLE TO GET THE KERNEL -14
[05:15] <Hobbsee> mc44: yes.  keep trying.  :P
[05:15] <finalbeta> gnomefreak: ah, I see, would be nice if they did something about how the error is passed to the user though. First it asks you if you want to continue or not because of an "error", and then after you pressed yes or no, it shows the error. Whoever wrote that must have been drunk.
[05:15] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: is that pkgs out of apt now?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> all updates for that kernel have been blocked
[05:15] <Tominator> will the upgrades in the repos fix the problems?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: they did that so you dont break your system
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Tominator: when they are finished yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: it's a development realease.  this doesnt happen normally
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: no
[05:16] <Tominator> okay... good...
[05:16] <finalbeta> gnomefreak: I'm talking about the GUI, first they ask the question, and then they give you the error the question is based upon. doesn't make any sense.
[05:16] <finalbeta> Dev release or not :p
[05:16] <PriceChild> finalbeta, how do you know whether something will work unless you try it?
[05:17] <finalbeta> So is everyone missing the point here?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: it was a non expected thing. they are more concered with fixing it than telling users it broken
[05:17] <ScarFreewill> thx Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> heeh
[05:17] <PriceChild> finalbeta, apt can not tell you that you can't install a package until it tries and fails
[05:17] <gnomefreak> s/on production systems./.
[05:17] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:17] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:18] <finalbeta> PriceChild: not the point.
[05:18] <PriceChild> finalbeta, you're saying "why does my gui ask me whether i want to continue... and then say it can't when i press yes?"
[05:19] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: in emergencies its put in place without any care how it comes across or what it says
[05:19] <gnomefreak> they are protecting you from the breakage.
[05:19] <HorizonXP> anyone know why i have to tell n-m to connect to another network, before i can connect to the one i want?
[05:19] <finalbeta> PriceChild: no, why does my guy ask me if I want to continue because there was an error. Then I press no. Then it shows me the error. The first question is based on the error, so the error should be shown before I get asked the question.
[05:19] <HorizonXP> this happened before yesterday's update too
[05:20] <HairyDude> they ought to remove the update rather than just denying permission to it
[05:20] <gnomefreak> latest n-m should fix your problem
[05:20] <HorizonXP> gnomefreak: the one that's going to be pushed later today? any idea of timeline?
[05:20] <mc44> HairyDude: they dont do that because mirrors are slow to update
[05:20] <Hobbsee> HairyDude: you break more with doing that.  just wait, and cope.
[05:20] <PriceChild> finalbeta, ah I getcha...
[05:20] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: no i dont since i built it
[05:21] <PriceChild> finalbeta, file a bug :P
[05:21] <gnomefreak> tell the developers to let you break your system than remove the broken update until they fix it.
[05:21] <gils> can someone please tell me what is going on? are we in repository hell????
[05:21] <PriceChild> gils, read the topic :)
[05:21] <gnomefreak> gils: a kernel bug that is being worked on
[05:21] <gils> ok
[05:22] <mc44> PriceChild: there should be something in the topic telling people to read the topic :p
[05:22] <iXneonXi> Ah
[05:22] <PriceChild> mc44, you'd have to ask hobbsee about that
[05:22] <gils> yes yes yes, i read the topic.
[05:22] <gils> i wanted a bit more enlightening information
[05:22] <iXneonXi> The Network Status applet bug is definitely known right? Whenever I boot it says there's no connection...
[05:22] <gnomefreak> mc44: on join there is
[05:22] <gnomefreak> 04:11 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1]  Please read the topic.  Escpecially if things are broken
[05:22] <Hobbsee> iXneonXi: yeah, think so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gils: then see the "more info" and the bug
[05:23] <mc44> gnomefreak: yeah, theres a typo too :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dunno how to change that
[05:23] <gnomefreak> mc44: yes i know . Hobbsee we cant
[05:23] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i think only 30 and up can
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:23] <iXneonXi> wonder if ubotu can find me the launchpad link
[05:23] <gnomefreak> seveas added it on my request a while ago
[05:24] <bipolar> Yay! Feisty B0rkage! :p
[05:24] <iXneonXi> heh
[05:24] <iXneonXi> would you look at that
[05:24] <iXneonXi> Update Manager found an update for Network Manager
[05:24] <iXneonXi> might fix it xD
[05:25] <eagles0513875> how do i run a shell script
[05:25] <ravi_master> updated to 2.6.20-14-generic and everything stops on bootup. So I continue using 2.6.20-13-generic, how can I totally remove 2.6.20-14, tried the normal apt-get removal method and it took away my linux-generic.
[05:25] <mc44> ravi_master: just wait for a new kernel update
[05:26] <skwashd> ravi_master: see topic
[05:26] <ravi_master> ok
[05:26] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: sh file.sh
[05:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:26] <eagles0513875> im installing ut2004 where should i install the files too
[05:27] <LoneShadow2> !breakage
[05:27] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[05:27] <finalbeta> How fast is real soon?
[05:27] <finalbeta> Like 5 minutes?
[05:27] <mc44> finalbeta: we dont know
[05:27] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: When It's Ready
[05:27] <finalbeta> Haha
[05:27] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: in a few days
[05:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:27] <Hidan> LOL
[05:27] <HorizonXP> anyone know if Beagle or Deskbar has bugfixes?
[05:27] <finalbeta> Haha ;)
[05:27] <HorizonXP> anyone know if there are Beagle or Deskbar bugfixes?
[05:27] <eagles0513875> what installation path should i use for ut2004
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no
[05:28] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: no
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: sorry not you
[05:28] <HorizonXP> booooooooo
[05:28] <Hobbsee> !no breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[05:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[05:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 82314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "pata driver in libata is thwarted by HPA" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[05:28] <HorizonXP> mine doesn't work... :(
[05:29] <HorizonXP> has anyone got beagle-live to work properly
[05:29] <HorizonXP> ?
[05:29] <iXneonXi> Hey, newb question: when should you actually *restart* after installing updates. It's a Windoze habit but rarely have I been *told* to do so in Linux
[05:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> Thank you topic message for answering. :)
[05:29] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, kernel updates
[05:29] <mc44> nerdygirl_ellie: wow, youre the first to read it :)
[05:29] <PriceChild> nerdygirl_ellie, whoa someone read it :)
[05:29] <LoneShadow2> so are others facing same problem with 2.6.20 ? It seems to be working fine for me :D
[05:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> iXeonXi, for kernel updates, glibc, yes.
[05:30] <HorizonXP> same here
[05:30] <gnomefreak> see someone that reads the topic everyone follow nerdygirl_ellie's lead
[05:30] <iXneonXi> hmm
[05:30] <iXneonXi> I should check /boot and see
[05:30] <addams> wow
[05:30] <addams> and shes a girl into computers
[05:30] <nerdygirl_ellie> iXeonXi, but don't do it if you just pulled down the new kernel.  apparently it does something naughty,
[05:30] <Dekkard> iXneonXi:  the update manager will usually let you know if you need a restart
[05:31] <iXneonXi>  /initrd.img-2.6.20-14-generic Is what I'm using...
[05:31] <HorizonXP> 2.6.20-14-generic
[05:31] <HorizonXP> that's what i'm running... apparently it's working fine
[05:31] <iXneonXi> for me
[05:31] <iXneonXi> heh
[05:31] <iXneonXi> there is an update though for the kernel
[05:32] <iXneonXi> but update manager won't let me install it, says the file is missing from the server
[05:32] <HorizonXP> higher than this? i see...
[05:32] <Hidan> anyways guys i'm pretty sure the developers are working on it.
[05:32] <gnomefreak> -14 is not broken for everyone.
[05:32] <iXneonXi> prolly what killed the other dude's install
[05:32] <akappa> Anyone here works with pthreads? Some files included by unistd.h defines the same symbols that are exported by pthread.h ..
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Hidan: they are
[05:32] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, read the topic :)
[05:32] <Hidan> gnomefreak: yeah
[05:32] <nerdygirl_ellie> iXeonXi:  yes, it is broken, they are working on it.  :)
[05:32] <gnomefreak> cant release RC ir finak without the fix
[05:32] <akappa> it seems that unistd.h includes some things related to posix threads...
[05:32] <nerdygirl_ellie> It's a beta thing.
[05:32] <cables> Large parts of Feisty are broken? Lucky I didn't upgrade. Has the release date been pushed back?
[05:33] <mc44> cables: we dont know yet
[05:33] <Dekkard> i haven't had one prollem with my feisty upgrad.. but I be using 6 yr old equipment..
[05:33] <gnomefreak> cables: define large parts. i dont see a kernel as large parts but one big part
[05:33] <cables> mc44: was it a bad update?
[05:33] <iXneonXi> nerdygirl_ellie: my eyes can't see that far up... ^^;
[05:33] <mc44> cables: there was a bug, yes
[05:33] <cables> gnomefreak: look at the topic
[05:33] <gnomefreak> cables: i dont have to i know what is going on
[05:33] <LoneShadow2> Dekkard: did you update yesterday or today ?
[05:34] <cables> gnomefreak: I'm just saying that's where I got the "large parts" bit
[05:34] <gnomefreak> cables: kernel is borked and they blocked it from being updated
[05:34] <akappa> /usr/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h:136: error: previous declaration of pthread_rwlock_t was here
[05:34] <akappa> I have errors like this
[05:34] <Dekkard> LoneShadow2:  yep..  yesterday.. hopefully Im missing something..
[05:35] <iXneonXi> I'll go get a book
[05:35] <fryfrog> i hate to admit that i am frantically "aptitude update" hoping for that new kernel.  every new update that isn't it makes me get all excited, then i crash back down again.  like a heroin junkie
[05:35] <gnomefreak> fryfrog: the topic will tell you when its released
[05:36] <iXneonXi> lol
[05:36] <iXneonXi> hey
[05:36] <fryfrog> i'm hoping i'll beat the /topic update :)
[05:36] <Dekkard> so.. maybe its a good idea to skip this new huge upgrae eh?
[05:37] <eean> knetworkmanager is now only accepting like 10 characters for WEP 40/104-bit hex
[05:37] <PriceChild> Dekkard, the broken package isn't downloadable, everything else is "ok"
[05:37] <iXneonXi> I installed kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu and I want my Ubuntu loading bar and homepages back... everything's all Kubuntu now (even though Ubuntu is still default).... Oh, and Upstart quits using the loading bar about 3/4 through and displays trext output
[05:37] <Dekkard> i see a kernel update..that one is ok?
[05:37] <PriceChild> Dekkard, the broken package isn't downloadable, everything else is "ok"
[05:37] <cables> Is it breaking every Feisty system, or is it just breaking ones with specific hardware/software?
[05:38] <Dekkard> coo
[05:38] <fryfrog> seems to be specific hardware
[05:38] <PriceChild> cables, it is not breaking anything anymore as you can't download it
[05:38] <mc44> cables: not all
[05:38] <cables> PriceChild: ok
[05:38] <fryfrog> i have a "feisty" laptop and *newer* system that works fine
[05:38] <fryfrog> but my "server" with sata and raid1 / cooked the monkey
[05:38] <iXneonXi> just curious, anything more bleeding edge than feisty right now
[05:39] <mc44> no
[05:39] <eean> lol
[05:39] <akappa> I thing that libc6-dev is broken: this is a classic pthread example: http://www.amparo.net/ce155/thread-ex.c , this is the compilation try: http://rafb.net/p/KilDwB48.html
[05:39] <iXneonXi> thought so
[05:39] <fryfrog> gentoo, after you install it over feisty? :)
[05:39] <iXneonXi> I don't have time for gentoo ^^;;
[05:39] <fryfrog> who does, damn gentoo bastards!
[05:39] <mc44> !ohmy | fryfrog
[05:39] <ubotu> fryfrog: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:39] <soothsay> Does anyone know if madm is necessary when using LVM?
[05:40] <fryfrog> oh, krikey i forgot about thie children :(
[05:40] <wm_eddie> Yay, I have a patch that fixes the desktop-effects capplet.
[05:40] <wm_eddie> I really hope they accept it.
[05:40] <Dekkard> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[05:40] <Dekkard> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[05:40] <Dekkard> that must be the undownloadable eh?
[05:40] <iXneonXi> ^topic
[05:40] <PriceChild> Dekkard, read the topic
[05:40] <Dekkard> sorry
[05:41] <iXneonXi> i couldn't see it too
[05:41] <iXneonXi> Konversation has it at the top reaches of my big monitor
[05:42] <iXneonXi> oh*
[05:42] <iXneonXi> so, anyone know how to get my Ubuntu loading bar back?
[05:42] <Dekkard> upgrading can wait.. a workable system is better..
[05:42] <iXneonXi> after installing Kubuntu it was replaced with Kubuntu's
[05:42] <soulrider_> the splash ?
[05:42] <soulrider_> oh
[05:42] <soulrider_> no idea
[05:42] <ScarFreewill> !brackage
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brackage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <ScarFreewill> ops
[05:43] <iXneonXi> yah
[05:43] <gemidjy> how fast ur feisty start takes to load?
[05:43] <akappa> nobody is interested with a serious problem with libc6-dev?
[05:43] <iXneonXi> It's insanely fast boot
[05:43] <gemidjy> from grub to desktop
[05:43] <iXneonXi> but it's glitchy
[05:43] <iXneonXi> the splash image stops displaying and it shows classic text output about 3/4 the way through...
[05:43] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, fsck?
[05:44] <iXneonXi> would that do it^?
[05:44] <gemidjy> iXneonXi: and then shows splash?
[05:44] <ScarFreewill> !breakage
[05:44] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[05:44] <iXneonXi> PriceChild: would fsck show text instead of splash?
[05:45] <ScarFreewill> sorryabout not /msg ing but my isp doesn't allow me to log into my irc user :P
[05:45] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[05:45] <iXneonXi> ok, will do
[05:46] <jarle> am I blacklisted? :)
[05:46] <jarle> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[05:46] <iXneonXi> dude, thanks
[05:46] <ScarFreewill> jarle: read topic
[05:46] <iXneonXi> PriceChild: and it should only display text when fsck or if something is actually wrong?
[05:47] <jarle> ScarFreewill: thnx...
[05:47] <ScarFreewill> np
[05:47] <_Neil> PriceChild: Re my problem with swapping virtual terminals
[05:47] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, if the fsck takes too long it will drop to text so you can see what's happenning
[05:47] <_Neil> it does actually work if i fully shut off beryl..
[05:47] <PriceChild> _Neil, beryl/nvidia bug :)
[05:47] <Hidan> :p
[05:48] <_Neil> balls :) thanks
[05:48] <_Neil> Still cant get out of suspend properly, seems similar.. If I repeatedly try swapping terminals, sometimes I get the log back in screen again, but the system still hangs eventually and I cant type
[05:48] <iXneonXi> thanks
[05:48] <PriceChild> _Neil, you can't resume with nvidia binary drivers
[05:49] <_Neil> Is it a known issue?
[05:49] <_Neil> I'm using nvidia-glx and restricted-modules from the repos
[05:49] <kelsa|martalli> suspend was working with nvidia drivers before...
[05:50] <PriceChild> _Neil, its the nature of closed source drivers... you can't resume from them as we don't know how to get them back into a working state :)
[05:50] <jonah> hi guys, how can i run mac os x on amd64 from feisty? is vmware player best? if i get a vmware image or mac os x will it run ok and once using it will it be able to save and edit the os as normal etc?
[05:50] <_Neil> Ah I see, so the nly nvidia people who are doing it successfully are those with the open source nvidia drivers?
[05:51] <_Neil> nv or whatever the setting is called
[05:51] <Hidan> pricechild: so this "resume" issue applies to close-sourced ATI drivers, huh?
[05:51] <PriceChild> Hidan, yes afaik
[05:51] <iXneonXi> jonah: apple wouldn't like that
[05:51] <Hidan> pricechild: uh oh.
[05:51] <PriceChild> _Neil, yes
[05:51] <PriceChild> jonah, you can only run mac os x legally on mac computers afaik
[05:51] <_Neil> PriceChild: thanks :)
[05:52] <iXneonXi> Ubuntu is the only way to keep me from playing games. Which is why I use it when I have work to do xD
[05:52] <ScarFreewill> PriceChild: how does the open drivers work for you?
[05:53] <wm_eddie> iXneonXi: It used to be like that for me too, until I started making my own games.
[05:53] <iXneonXi> wm_eddie: Don't go there, because that's where I'm heading towards ><;;
[05:53] <PriceChild> ScarFreewill, i use open source on this machine fine (no 3d accel) and binary nvidia at home home
[05:53] <iXneonXi> kinda defeats the purpose
[05:53] <jonah> why's that guys, i thought that was what vmware and virtualisation was all about. like you can run vista on a mac etc with parallels and boot camp and all that, surely it's only fair the other way round too or they couldnt do it?
[05:53] <wm_eddie> iXneonXi: Don't learn python and pygame then.  You'll be able to make games in less than an hour.
[05:54] <iXneonXi> wm_edie: text games or you're now adding graphics?
[05:54] <wm_eddie> graphics.
[05:54] <iXneonXi> I'm doomed
[05:55] <jonah> does anyone know when gdesklets will be working for amd64 feisty?
[05:55] <wm_eddie> jonah: Apple's license for OS X is very strict.
[05:56] <gharz> guys, when i run update-manager -d on terminal, i got a message saying warning: could not initiate dbus... is this normaL? what is dbus anyway?
[05:56] <iXneonXi> jonah: I had to stop using amd64 Feisty because it got on my nerves
[05:56] <iXneonXi> I'm using x86 right now
[05:57] <wm_eddie> jonah: pretty much it says  This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
[05:57] <wm_eddie> VMs aren'T Apple-labeled computers.
[05:57] <Dekkard> family license  isnt that bad a deal
[05:58] <Progs> hello
[05:58] <ScarFreewill> hi
[05:58] <lupine_85> so if you stick a label saying "Apple" on the computer, you're OK? ;)
[05:58] <iXneonXi> hmm
[05:58] <iXneonXi> ^lol
[05:58] <Neil-> hmm
[05:58] <Neil-> oddly enough, suspend to disk/hibernate actually fails too, on turning back on, it boots as if i had shut down!
[05:59] <Progs> when I dist-upgrade, I have this error:
[05:59] <Progs> E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb: 403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[05:59] <mc44> Progs: read the topic
[05:59] <HorizonXP> yay, network-manager update!!!!
[05:59] <Progs> ah sorry
[05:59] <iXneonXi> anyone in here use Ubuntub but still use Amarok?
[05:59] <iXneonXi> HorizonXP: I said that about 20 minutes ago xD
[05:59] <HorizonXP> shut up
[05:59] <HorizonXP> :P
[05:59] <mc44> iXneonXi: yes
[05:59] <iXneonXi> you?
[06:00] <Hidan> no to amarok... i found it kinda annoying. Now using Songbird.
[06:00] <wm_eddie> lupine_85: Actually they don't define label in the license so I guess you might be able to use that in a court... if you had really good lawyers.
[06:00] <Hidan> yeowch that was really rude.
[06:00] <mc44> iXneonXi: i use amarok, yes
[06:00] <llutz> hi
[06:00] <eagles0513875> how can i bypass the 403 error so i may download some other packages that i need
[06:00] <eagles0513875> !403
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 403 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: just wait
[06:00] <eagles0513875> what u mean
[06:00] <iXneonXi> X_X
[06:00] <macogw> is it just me or is java6 completely busted on feisty?
[06:01] <iXneonXi> songbird looks too familiar
[06:01] <iXneonXi> macogw: lemme find out
[06:01] <macogw> it suddenly lost the ability to compile anything that gcj cant compile
[06:01] <wm_eddie> quodlibet for lyfe
[06:01] <iXneonXi> runescape works
[06:01] <iXneonXi> therefore it's ok
[06:01] <iXneonXi> lol
[06:01] <mon^rch> !songbird
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about songbird - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <eagles0513875> this is weird when i go into adept it downloads and installs the stuff fine
[06:01] <mc44> !info songbird
[06:02] <macogw> man javac says default is 1.4 mode, but adding -1.6 only gets rid of 1/3 of the errors
[06:02] <ubotu> Package songbird does not exist in feisty
[06:02] <wm_eddie> !info quodlibet
[06:02] <ubotu> quodlibet: audio library manager and player for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.24-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[06:02] <wm_eddie> yeah :)
[06:02] <Hidan> !info initrafms
[06:02] <ubotu> Package initrafms does not exist in feisty
[06:02] <mon^rch> :/ -- screenshot looked nice :)
[06:02] <eagles0513875> it seems like that error happens when one tires to install pkgs using the command line
[06:02] <Hidan> !info initramfs
[06:02] <ubotu> Package initramfs does not exist in feisty
[06:02] <iXneonXi> heh
[06:03] <Hidan> uhhh does anyone know if initramfs will break feisty ?
[06:03] <zeroflag> !breakage
[06:03] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[06:03] <zeroflag> :/
[06:03] <wm_eddie> Looks like there's some real problems with the kernel.
[06:03] <mc44> yes there are
[06:03] <DanaG> Hmm, when debconf runs in update-manager, it says it can't use backend "dialog", so it falls back to readline.
[06:03] <HorizonXP> son of a.... the update didn't fix the icon thing
[06:03] <HorizonXP> son of a...
[06:03] <HorizonXP> the update didn't fix the icon thing
[06:03] <wm_eddie> Damn, I don't feel like using my iBook.
[06:04] <zeroflag> setting up linux: 4 days, result: broken because of update. setting up windows: 4 hours, result: not broken because I turned off updates. :P
[06:04] <eagles0513875> i seemd to have fixed the 403 issue
[06:04] <iXneonXi> HorizonXP: NO!!
[06:04] <eagles0513875> to install the updated kernel that is causing the 403 issue one needs to install it through adept
[06:04] <eagles0513875> not using cli
[06:04] <wm_eddie> eagles0513875: Uh, I think that's a bad idea.
[06:04] <eean> I highly doubt that
[06:04] <eagles0513875> how so
[06:04] <HorizonXP> network manager update didn't nothing
[06:04] <HorizonXP> same as before... my icons don't work
[06:05] <aaroncampbell> eagles0513875: I'd read the bugs about it
[06:05] <aaroncampbell> !breakage
[06:05] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[06:05] <eagles0513875> what kinda bugs
[06:05] <Hidan> just curious, is it afternoon for you guys?
[06:05] <gharz> network-manager is not working in my machine... even network-manager-pptp
[06:05] <iXneonXi> afternoon, nope
[06:05] <iXneonXi> not even 12 yet
[06:05] <eean> lol Hidan, its a channel with 276 people. of course its the afternoon for someone.
[06:05] <wm_eddie> Lunch time... what should I eat.
[06:05] <eagles0513875> thing is im using one partition which for me in this case is /
[06:05] <eagles0513875> dont have multiple partitions
[06:06] <Hidan> i read that it'd be best to wait till afternoon for the fixes to be released
[06:06] <Hidan> eean: lol sorry :p
[06:06] <eagles0513875> i have a question how do i added my xp partition to grub
[06:06] <eagles0513875> i keep getting an error 12
[06:06] <iXneonXi> anyone else using songbird like it?
[06:06] <andrew> meh, just after 12pm here
[06:06] <iXneonXi> one of my favorite things about linux is the choice, just trying things out
[06:07] <macogw> iXneonXi: i can still RUN java stuff just fine
[06:07] <Hidan> it's 12 a.m. here
[06:07] <eean> Hidan andrew: fascinating!
[06:07] <macogw> iXneonXi: i'm talking about the java *compiler* being brokjen
[06:07] <eagles0513875>  its 11 am here on friday
[06:08] <wm_eddie> iXneonXi: I use songbird mostly for shoutcast.  It's ok.
[06:08] <Hidan> eean: yep but timezones are so confusing. If only the Earth was flat xD
[06:08] <macogw> uh ok or maybe not....
[06:08] <macogw> i can run some things
[06:08] <wm_eddie> Mostly though I think it's ugly.
[06:08] <acuster> gharz, it's broken here as well
[06:09] <gharz> acuster, i've been asking and looking for an answer but it's futile since , i think, feisty is still in a beta stage.
[06:10] <iXneonXi> well
[06:10] <iXneonXi> I'm going to try and get desktop effects working again
[06:10] <iXneonXi> wish me luck
[06:11] <eagles0513875> i need help getting my xp partition to boot using grub
[06:11] <wm_eddie> luck wont work on Friday the 13th
[06:11] <eagles0513875> its already on the list but i keep getting an error 12
[06:11] <eagles0513875> 13th is my lucky number
[06:11] <eagles0513875> 1 month till my bday lol
[06:11] <wm_eddie> eagles0513875: Me too!
[06:11] <eagles0513875> kool
[06:12] <acuster> gharz, actually feisty is about to be released and will need to fix the network manager bug. Unfortunately the bug of the moment is much more serious
[06:12] <wm_eddie> eagles0513875: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml?style=printable talks about that error code
[06:12] <gharz> acuster, you r right.
[06:12] <Hidan> yoohooo new updates :D
[06:12] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875: , I consider myself lucky ...was born on Fri13/Aug/1943...still alive :)
[06:13] <johnnybuoy> yes, there are some volume-manager bugs to be sorted out also
[06:13] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: hey there :D
[06:13] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:13] <mc44> things can always be fixed in -updates after the release
[06:13] <johnnybuoy> hi, Hidan
[06:14] <gharz> guys, i've been getting this error for almost a day now... W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[06:14] <gharz>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[06:14] <Hidan> actually, do they even release updates after a version is finalised?
[06:14] <gharz> any idea?
[06:14] <mc44> Hidan: yes
[06:14] <Hidan> mc44: ooh phew :p
[06:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:14] <eagles0513875> gharz: use adept to finish installing the kernel
[06:14] <eagles0513875> it fixed that problem
[06:14] <gharz> adept?
[06:14] <mc44> Hidan: but not for all bugs, just serious ones. You can also get updates in backports
[06:14] <eagles0513875> yep the pkg manager
[06:14] <Hobbsee> gharz: /topic
[06:14] <eagles0513875> im goign to restart to c what ive broken or screwed up
[06:14] <eagles0513875> brb
[06:15] <Hidan> mc44: what are backports, actually?
[06:15] <mc44> !backports | Hin
[06:15] <ubotu> Hin: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:15] <mc44> Hidan:
[06:15] <mc44> ^
[06:15] <Hidan> oops oh shit
[06:15] <Hidan> oops
[06:15] <Hidan> no swear words
[06:16] <mc44> Hidan: :)
[06:16] <Hidan> ah man, sorry...
[06:16] <gharz> Hobbsee, what do u mean /topic?
[06:16] <Hidan> mc44: i did not enable backports in software sources 'cos backports sounded kinda suspicious
[06:16] <Hobbsee> gharz: read the topic
[06:16] <mc44> Hidan: right, they may not be as stable as the main distro
[06:17] <gharz> Hobbsee, oh boy... sorry.
[06:17] <Hidan> mc44: yeah but then again, most updates shouldn't break an o/s unless they're really serious.
[06:17] <gharz> :(
[06:17] <Hobbsee> gharz: :)
[06:18] <mon^rch> hmmmmm cant drag xmms across workspaces...
[06:18] <TheVault> Does anybody else get the cannot start X when they power up from a standby. Says Restart X yes or no and whatnot, does anyone still get that?
[06:18] <mc44> Hidan: they shouldnt break things, its just they are less strict than the main updates
[06:18] <A|Door> mc44: yeah... :P
[06:19] <TheVault> Anyone
[06:20] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhhhhhh now i have a different error messagge an error 22 no such partition
[06:20] <eagles0513875> with the update it seems to work fine
[06:20] <eagles0513875> btw
[06:20] <DanaG> Suspend works whenever I DON'T have my Cardbus Audigy plugged in.
[06:20] <soweto76> today nvidia no longer taints kernel -- nvidia legacy -- and does not show int he restricted drivers app.
[06:20] <TheVault> DanaG: Is this a known bug or something they are working on?
[06:22] <TheVault> DanaG: Is the Suspend function a known problem?
[06:22] <DanaG> I'm not sure -- I'm looking.
[06:23] <TheVault> DanaG: I have not tried Hibernate yet on Feisty, but I know in the other versions it did the samething as the Suspend
[06:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Operator, can you replace the topic?
[06:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Large parts of feisty are broken.  Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel.  Please stop asking - the answer will not change.  /msg ubotu breakage for more info.  Yes, the repositories will be updated when fixed.  Don't use feisty on production systems.  Expect breakage.
[06:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Grrr.  it ate my change.  one sec.
[06:24] <DanaG> One thing to try: blacklist snd-emu10k1, and reboot then try suspend and resume.
[06:24] <DanaG> If it works differently, then it IS an issue.
[06:24] <A|Door> nerdygirl_ellie: *counts herself super lucky she's running feisty perfectly well on her production system. Well, except that it had problems shutting down sometimes.*
[06:24] <eagles0513875> nice to see some ladies in here helpin out
[06:24] <TheVault> DanaG: I rather not mess with anything important
[06:24] <eagles0513875> A|Door: better becareful not to jynx urself
[06:25] <A|Door> eagles0513875: HEY! :D
[06:25] <TheVault> Oh Well. Thnx DanaG
[06:25] <DanaG> Hmm, resuming from suspend DOES, however, give me green, blinking corrupt blocks in text mode.
[06:25] <nerdygirl_ellie> Todays kernel update has a bug and has been disabled in the repository.  Apt will fail with a 403 forbidden error.  If you isntalled it while it was available, your system may not boot.  /msg ubotu breakage for more info.  Yes, the repositories will be updated when fixed.  Don't use feisty on production systems.  Expect breakage.
[06:26] <eagles0513875> whats wrong A
[06:26] <eagles0513875> nerdygirl_ellie: i did find a way around that to get that kernel installed
[06:26] <nerdygirl_ellie> It works well on my laptop, but hibernate is hit and miss.  I recompiled vbetool with debug symbols and now it won't crash so I can debug it!
[06:26] <TheVault> DanaG: Maybe they come out with a fix or something within a few days?
[06:27] <nerdygirl_ellie> eagles:  You'll be okay as long as you don't have an intel ATA controller asbestos I can tell.
[06:27] <Tom_g> i use the s2disk thing, but it doesnt work with xgl :(
[06:27] <nerdygirl_ellie> * as best as
[06:27] <eagles0513875> nerdygirl_ellie: does that pertain to sata
[06:27] <fryfrog> nerdygirl_ellie: i think it is more like a few different types of sata
[06:27] <nerdygirl_ellie> *SATA not ATA.
[06:27] <DanaG> I updated my kernel last night.
[06:27] <eagles0513875> mine is sata 150
[06:27] <fryfrog> i have ata_piix and sata_sil, and neither works right
[06:28] <mc44> yep it affects both
[06:28] <fryfrog> but my nforce4 using umm... ??_amd simply changed from hda->sda
[06:28] <fryfrog> and worked fine after
[06:28] <eagles0513875> nerdygirl_ellie: could ya help me with a problem
[06:28] <Custombrush> asus SATA controller works here
[06:28] <eagles0513875> :) i have asus a8n sli premium mobo
[06:28] <fryfrog> Custombrush: i doubt its made by asus, what is the chipset?
[06:28] <Custombrush> silicon image not
[06:29] <EdgEy> heh, don't reboot and you're fine! :P
[06:29] <eagles0513875> mine is a nforce4 chipset
[06:29] <Hidan> !boinc
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boinc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <Hidan> !boinc-client
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boinc-client - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <Custombrush> i saved my harddist with the win ext3 tool
[06:29] <fryfrog> the annoying thing is that it simply appears to be not loading the driver modules, cause they are all there and inside busybox i can load them just fine
[06:29] <eagles0513875> nerdygirl_ellie: do u know how i can get grub to allow me to boot into my windows partition cuz i get an error 22 which says no partition which i know there is for me its sda5
[06:29] <DanaG> but for some reason, I haven't lately shown any work units.
[06:30] <fryfrog> eagles0513875: my nforce4 chipset worked fine in feisty with altest kernel, just had to make sure i changed "hda" to "sda" any place that had it
[06:30] <eagles0513875> really
[06:30] <eagles0513875> in the fstab fryfrog
[06:30] <nerdygirl_ellie> Sorry, I haven't dual booted in a very very long time.  (I used LILO)
[06:30] <eagles0513875> is lilo any good
[06:30] <fryfrog> eagles0513875: in fstab, but that shouldn't have been the case due to UUID
[06:30] <nerdygirl_ellie> No.
[06:30] <DanaG> Is swsusp worth trying, if the default suspend works?
[06:30] <fryfrog> mainly it was in grub's menu.lst and /etc/fstab
[06:30] <richb> Hey all:-)
[06:30] <fryfrog> there is nothing wrong with lilo
[06:30] <fryfrog> grub is just "the new hotness"
[06:30] <eagles0513875> fryfrog: they all say sda by default
[06:31] <fryfrog> but actually is kind of old
[06:31] <eagles0513875> im having trouble with it fry
[06:31] <fryfrog> eagles0513875: ah, you must use nforce4 with sata.  mine was nforce4 with ide?
[06:31] <DanaG> Anything else is **** hard to remember.
[06:31] <eagles0513875> i have a choice for ide but 1 hdd
[06:31] <eagles0513875> or 2 max
[06:31] <nerdygirl_ellie> It's like grub, only harder and you have to remember to run it when you make a change or nothing happens and you triple check it 78 times before you remember "oh, I have to run lilo."
[06:31] <eagles0513875> sata i have 4 with 4 more for raid
[06:31] <richb> Does Grub support XFS now, IIRC there were problems with a while back-but..UCK! I am offtopic:-)
[06:31] <eagles0513875> lol that is reason y i use grub im a noob when it comes to linux
[06:32] <fryfrog> eagles0513875: I had 2x in RAID1 and 6x in RAID5 when mine failed :(
[06:32] <eagles0513875> fryfrog: u registered
[06:32] <fryfrog> ?
[06:32] <eagles0513875> so i may pm ya
[06:32] <fryfrog> oh, on teh network
[06:32] <eagles0513875> !register |fryfrog
[06:32] <ubotu> fryfrog: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:32] <eagles0513875> ya lol
[06:32] <fryfrog> i'd suggest in channel, in case others know what you mean
[06:32] <fryfrog> but if you like, sure
[06:32] <fryfrog> ubotu: thanks :)
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <eagles0513875> have u messed around with duel booting lol
[06:33] <fryfrog> hehe
[06:33] <eagles0513875> and grub
[06:33] <fryfrog> yeah, sure my laptops all use grub / teh windows loader to dual boot
[06:33] <fryfrog> ubuntu set it up for me though, it works fine fo rme
[06:33] <fryfrog> though i use the windows loader, not grub
[06:33] <fryfrog> sort of
[06:34] <eagles0513875> thing is though my desktop after in installed feisty beta didnt add my windows partition to the list
[06:34] <fryfrog> ah, aren't there some examples in menu.lst?
[06:34] <fryfrog> or at least in grub man pages
[06:34] <eagles0513875> i added an entery to grub menu list and when i try to boot to xp x64 i get error 22 no such partition
[06:34] <eagles0513875> ya but that is confusing to me lol
[06:34] <fryfrog> think its just 2 or 3 lines, with a "chainloader+" entry
[06:34] <eagles0513875> ive never had to edit grub before and i dont wanna mess anything up
[06:35] <fryfrog> sounds like you just got the partition wrong
[06:35] <fryfrog> in grub, it starts at 0
[06:35] <fryfrog> in everything, at 1
[06:35] <eagles0513875> ?
[06:35] <eagles0513875> im lost
[06:35] <fryfrog> so... if you find your windows is at "sda5"
[06:35] <eagles0513875> it is
[06:35] <eagles0513875> so it will be 5
[06:35] <fryfrog> in grub, that would be "(hd0,4)
[06:35] <eagles0513875> ok hold on
[06:35] <fryfrog> in grub, the "first" partition is 0
[06:36] <fryfrog> in linux, the first is "sda1" or "hda1" (1)
[06:36] <fryfrog> so... in your grub's menu.lst, you need to make sure it jives :)
[06:36] <fryfrog> probably just changing the "5" to "4"
[06:36] <eagles0513875> so for my windows partition it would be hd(0,4)
[06:36] <fryfrog> yes, assuming it is "hd(0,5)" now
[06:36] <DanaG> nice bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/103095
[06:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 103095 in vte "crash on IRM escape code" [High,Fix released] 
[06:36] <eagles0513875> ya
[06:36] <eagles0513875> ill brb fry
[06:36] <fryfrog> don't trust me on the *syntax* (copy how it is there)
[06:37] <fryfrog> (i'm not looking at my menu.lst
[06:37] <DanaG> crash gnome-terminal with echo -e \\x1b[4h
[06:37] <eagles0513875> going to try boot into it and if i do ill ttyl if i dont ill be back
[06:37] <DanaG> that's what the VTE fix is for.
[06:37] <eagles0513875> brb
[06:37] <fryfrog> eagles0513875: also
[06:37] <fryfrog> you can experiment by pressing "e" to edit an entry
[06:37] <fryfrog> then e to edit a line
[06:37] <eagles0513875> what u mean
[06:37] <fryfrog> then
[06:37] <eagles0513875> e
[06:37] <eagles0513875> ok
[06:37] <eagles0513875> ill brb
[06:37] <fryfrog> "enter" to fish editing, and "b" to boot
[06:37] <fryfrog> so you can screw around w/o having to boot up all the way, then down
[06:38] <nerdygirl_ellie> I'm registered.  Thanks Eagles & ubotu
[06:38] <fryfrog> to slow, i was!
[06:38] <N6REJ> morning all, I'm having a problem with todays update.
[06:39] <mc44> N6REJ: read the topic
[06:39] <N6REJ> mc44: just did, sorry.  Should have read first.
[06:39] <hexidigital> i'm just curious... when the fixed kernel is released, will it have a different number?
[06:39] <mc44> hexidigital: yes
[06:39] <mc44> -15
[06:39] <N6REJ> mc44: so should I ignore the updater triangle or what?
[06:39] <hexidigital> ok
[06:39] <mc44> N6REJ: yep just wait
[06:39] <hexidigital> thanks mc44
[06:40] <N6REJ> how will I know then when its fixed?
[06:40] <mc44> N6REJ: the error will go away :)
[06:40] <Neil-> Hi guys, realplayer from the repos failed for me, so ive got the .bin from real.com
[06:40] <N6REJ> hahaahha
[06:40] <N6REJ> k
[06:40] <Neil-> any idea how to use it?!
[06:40] <balster_neb> wow, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20
[06:40] <balster_neb> looks like the new kernel is ready
[06:40] <N6REJ> is it safe to install other programs currently... ie. vmware server?
[06:41] <fryfrog> Neil-: probably "sh file.bin"
[06:41] <fryfrog> or "./file.bin"
[06:41] <mc44> N6REJ: apt will fail with an error so I wouldnt bother
[06:41] <fryfrog> N6REJ: i believe everything but the kernel is okay :)
[06:41] <hexidigital> N6REJ:  you will have to reinstall vmware anyway
[06:41] <balster_neb> 2.6.20-15.24
[06:41] <fryfrog> humm, aptitude was perfectly happy to install all but the kernel
[06:41] <Neil-> neil@cascade:~/Downloaded-Installers$ sudo sh RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[06:41] <Neil-> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:42] <Neil-> hmmm :/
[06:42] <N6REJ> hexidigital: oh?  ok, maybe I should wait.  I was told I could install vmware server and then would be able to run my photoshop well
[06:42] <mc44> balster_neb: not on my mirror yet :)
[06:42] <N6REJ> fryfrog: yeah, thast the problem I'm having too, plus I saw a bunch of errors on load
[06:42] <hexidigital> N6REJ:  you could install it, but you will need the new headers from the new kernel anyway.. so you'd waste time :)
[06:42] <balster_neb> wow, looks like my mirror has it already
[06:42] <hexidigital> balster_neb:  what mirror?
[06:42] <balster_neb> that was fast, it's just been minutes
[06:42] <N6REJ> hexidigital: ah!, will I have to do that everytime I update ?
[06:42] <Neil-> !realplayeer
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realplayeer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <Neil-> !realplayer
[06:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:42] <Neil-> hmm
[06:42] <hexidigital> N6REJ:  yes
[06:43] <N6REJ> hexidigital: OUCH!
[06:43] <balster_neb> hexidigital, http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/
[06:43] <DanaG> why USE real?
[06:43] <N6REJ> hexidigital: would you mind talking to me off channel about this ?
[06:43] <hexidigital> N6REJ:  yes... it's just the install, not the full install
[06:43] <hexidigital> balster_neb:  thanks
[06:43] <N6REJ> hexidigital: oh
[06:43] <hexidigital> N6REJ:  /j ##hexidigital
[06:44] <Neil-> OK, I had to chmod it to executable :)
[06:44] <Neil-> where is the best place to install realplayer?
[06:44] <fryfrog> ah :)
[06:44] <fryfrog> where ever you want, what does it suggest?
[06:44] <Neil-> It's defaulted to my download folder which can't be good
[06:44] <fryfrog> maybe "/usr/local"?
[06:45] <fryfrog> or "/usr/local/bin"
[06:45] <mc44> balster_neb: did apt-get upgrade to the new kernel for you then?
[06:45] <balster_neb> mc44, I haven't done that yet
[06:46] <mc44> balster_neb: could you try to see if apt can see it? as it doesnt seem to here
[06:46] <balster_neb> I'm on edgy, and I've been waiting for the fix to be released so that I could upgrade to feisty
[06:46] <fryfrog> i don't see it either
[06:46] <fryfrog> ah
[06:46] <mc44> balster_neb: ah ok no worries
[06:46] <mc44> Im guessing the sources file hasnt been updated yet
[06:46] <mc44> packages file rather
[06:47] <eagles0513875> fryfrog: found out y i didnt have it in my grub list
[06:47] <balster_neb> yep, it's probably the packages file
[06:47] <eagles0513875> i have everything as an extended partition
[06:47] <eagles0513875> lol im an idiot
[06:47] <DanaG> cannot find -lgmp
[06:47] <DanaG> when trying to build something,
[06:47] <eagles0513875> ttyl guys
[06:48] <DanaG> ld is what is returning that.
[06:48] <mc44> balster_neb: there seems to be another bug they are fixing as well, so there might be a new kernel update instead of that one anyway
[06:49] <balster_neb> I see. I'll probably be waiting till morning before upgrading anyway
[06:50] <richb> DanaG: do you have the lib installed?
[06:50] <BluesKaj> any new repositories available besides the default universe multiverse and backports?
[06:50] <DanaG> I can't figure out what package has it.
[06:50] <DanaG> oh wait, found it.
[06:50] <ubuntu> Hi! I'm trying to prepare to fix my system once the kernel update is out following these instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[06:50] <DanaG> gmp is not nearly the same as libgmp
[06:51] <Neil-> so, realplayer as a .bin install doesnt work for me either
[06:51] <ubuntu> but I keep getting this error messag: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[06:51] <ubuntu> sorry wrong paste
[06:51] <DanaG> libgmp3c2
[06:51] <Neil-> how can I uninstall it now though?! It's but shortcuts in my system menu, and made symlinks
[06:51] <Neil-> anyhow help/
[06:51] <ubuntu> here's the error message:
[06:51] <ubuntu> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
[06:51] <ubuntu>        missing codepage or other error
[06:51] <ubuntu>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[06:51] <ubuntu>        dmesg | tail  or so
[06:51] <ubuntu> my filesystem is jfs
[06:52] <ubuntu> I tried specifying -t jfs
[06:52] <ubuntu> but it didn't help
[06:52] <ubuntu> any idea?
[06:52] <mc44> ubuntu: why not just wait for the new kernel update
[06:52] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, i suggest you use a differnt nick and post on pastebin
[06:52] <balster_neb> i just checked... looks like the packages file still only lists the old kernel
[06:52] <BluesKaj> !PASTEBIN
[06:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:53] <DanaG> installed it, bu still             /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmp
[06:53] <ubuntu> mc44: I need to be able to chroot into my system to apply the update once it's out
[06:53] <mc44> ubuntu: you cant boot into an old kernel?
[06:53] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: thanks ... I'm running off a live CD, so that's the default nick
[06:53] <BluesKaj> you can still change it
[06:53] <ubuntu> mc44: I removed all my old kernels a while ago
[06:53] <DanaG> oh, libgmp3-dev.
[06:53] <mc44> ubuntu: but the update was only today
[06:53] <scott_> I'm having this problem where things hang until I remove ~/.ICEauthority
[06:53] <ubuntu> mc44: I know it's stupid
[06:54] <DanaG> Time to boot and chroot.
[06:54] <scott_> things like, logging in -- the ubuntu splash sticks around until I kill it
[06:54] <mc44> ubuntu: you must have removed your old kernel today?
[06:54] <scott_> or starting gvim
[06:54] <ubuntu> mc44: all that's listed in grub is the current kernel
[06:54] <mc44> hmm
[06:54] <ubuntu> mc44: I think the update didn't change the kernel version, that's why I only have one kernel
[06:55] <scott_> anyone know why ice would make things hang?
[06:55] <mc44> ubuntu: no it did change the kernel version
[06:55] <Lin> hi all
[06:56] <Lin> there is a problem fetching the latest kernel version.
[06:56] <mc44> Lin: read the topic :)
[06:56] <liveCD> mc44: mhhh I went into the grub menu and it only listed the current kernel and recovery mode
[06:56] <Lin> damn
[06:56] <mc44> liveCD: odd
[06:56] <liveCD> mc44: anyway, do you have any idea how I can chroot into my old system
[06:57] <Lin> damn god!
[06:57] <Lin> i was  in a fai testing ;-(
[06:58] <Lin> edgy uses upstart?
[06:58] <tritium_> Lin: watch the language, please
[06:58] <BluesKaj> liveCD: maybe the 'SuperGrub" CD might find it for you, if you have access to another pc or partition to download and burn it .
[06:58] <Lin> tritium_ what is the problem with my language?
[06:59] <BluesKaj> !language
[06:59] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:59] <liveCD> BluesKaj: before I try SuperGrub, is there no way for me to chroot into my old system?
[07:00] <Lin> BluesKaj: what I have done? "damn god"?
[07:00] <DanaG> YOu have to mount it somewhere.
[07:00] <Neil-> I installed realplayer using a .bin, now I cant get rid of it
[07:00] <DanaG> such as, mount /dev/sda3 /mnt
[07:00] <Neil-> ive deleted the install folder.. how do i remove it from my system menu?
[07:00] <scott_> man
[07:00] <DanaG> and then you need to mount proc and dev.
[07:00] <scott_> wtf
[07:00] <BluesKaj> you could try qparted , to look for it
[07:00] <liveCD> DanaG: I tried that, but get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[07:00] <mc44> !wtf | scott_
[07:00] <ubotu> scott_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:00] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:00] <DanaG> Can you do a fsck?
[07:01] <scott_> mc44: any idea why everything would hang until I ice ~/.ICEauthority ?  what can I do about this
[07:01] <mc44> scott_: dont know, sorry
[07:02] <PriceChild> liveCD, hey
[07:02] <liveCD> DanaG: it tells me the filesystem is clean
[07:02] <mc44> PriceChild: your guide, you fix it :P
[07:02] <liveCD> PriceChild: I'm probably not who you think I am
[07:02] <DanaG> there's an option of "force even if marked clean"
[07:02] <PriceChild> mc44, what's wrong with it? :(
[07:02] <PriceChild> liveCD, are you sure an old kernel doesn't work first?
[07:03] <mc44> PriceChild: liveCD just couldnt get it to work (was just kidding :)
[07:03] <PriceChild> liveCD, and afaik the new kernel isn't availiable yet
[07:03] <PriceChild> mc44, ?
[07:03] <liveCD> PriceChild: I just want to chroot into my old system, so I can run the update when it becomes availabe
[07:03] <mc44> PriceChild: dont worry, Ill shut up now
[07:03] <Neil-> How can I remove something from the system menu?
[07:03] <Neil-> Realplayer is a hoe to unninstall :)
[07:03] <liveCD> PriceChild: old Kernel doesn't work
[07:03] <PriceChild> Neil-, right open up alacarte
[07:04] <PriceChild> liveCD, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[07:04] <Neil-> ah
[07:04] <Neil-> thanks PriceChild you rule
[07:04] <Neil-> :D
[07:04] <ScarFreewill> !breakage
[07:04] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[07:04] <liveCD> PriceChild: I tried following these instructions
[07:04] <PriceChild> liveCD, what didn't work?
[07:04] <liveCD> PriceChild: but I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1
[07:04] <PriceChild> then mount it properly :)
[07:04] <liveCD> PriceChild: I tried specifying -t jfs
[07:05] <liveCD> PriceChild: How?
[07:05] <PriceChild> liveCD, what filesystem is your root fs?
[07:05] <liveCD> PriceChild: it's a jfs filesystem
[07:05] <PriceChild> ok
[07:05] <PriceChild> separate /boot etc. ?
[07:05] <liveCD> PriceChild: I ran fsck ... it's clean
[07:05] <liveCD> PriceChild: separate / and /home
[07:06] <PriceChild> I've never mounted a jfs... tried just using gparted to do it for you? :P
[07:06] <liveCD> PriceChild: unbelievable it just worked now
[07:06] <liveCD> PriceChild: I did the same thing I have been doing
[07:06] <PriceChild> liveCD, woo :)
[07:06] <liveCD> PriceChild: but after the fsck it just worked
[07:07] <liveCD> PriceChild: even though it told me it was clean
[07:07] <liveCD> PriceChild: weird
[07:07] <liveCD> PriceChild, mc44: thanks so much for your help
[07:07] <liveCD> and BluesKaj, too
[07:07] <rocky> blech, firefox has crashed on me about 6 times or so today
[07:08] <ScarFreewill> shame
[07:08] <BluesKaj> hey, glad you were able to get back to it , liveCD :)
[07:08] <mc44> did you go to the same website 6 times? :)
[07:08] <Neil-> anyone know if you can create a user who can only view shared folders?
[07:08] <Neil-> No home folder or anything
[07:09] <fryfrog> you mean, they wouldn't have their own home directory?
[07:09] <Neil-> yeah
[07:09] <Neil-> only a login for remote viewing of shares
[07:09] <fryfrog> you could make 2 users with the same  home dir :/
[07:10] <fryfrog> you mean, shares on *other* systems?
[07:10] <Neil-> nope, this system
[07:10] <fryfrog> i can't imagine any way, but i'm sure there is... why would you do it though?
[07:10] <scott_> it's the session manager...hurmph
[07:10] <fryfrog> if they have their own home folder, they can just *not* put anything in it
[07:11] <Neil-> hmm true
[07:11] <Neil-> i just noticed in samba config it runs off of the unix users anyway :)
[07:11] <Neil-> so theres no way round it
[07:11] <fryfrog> sorry, i guess i don't know what you are trying to do still
[07:11] <fryfrog> unix and samba users don't have to map 1:1
[07:12] <fryfrog> you could have say "fryfrog" on unix and "frogger" on windows, and map them
[07:12] <fryfrog> er, "frogger" in samba that is
[07:12] <Neil-> I wanted people to be able to log on and see my shares on a lan without their own account on the actual system, just like a basic authentication thing only at the samba level
[07:12] <fryfrog> AHHH
[07:12] <Neil-> But it seems a waste of time, ill just give them a home folder
[07:12] <fryfrog> just setup a single samba share that is read/write to everyone
[07:13] <Neil-> How do I do that, im quite new to samba :D
[07:13] <fryfrog> oh :(
[07:13] <fryfrog> samba is fun
[07:13] <scott_> is all that breakage from today?
[07:13] <fryfrog> i'd start by reading some of the samba guides, but it is going to deal with a lot of cmdline/conf file stuff
[07:13] <fryfrog> scott_: think it started yesterday
[07:13] <Neil-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15414/ got this atm
[07:13] <fryfrog> i got the bum kernel yesterday afternoon at least
[07:13] <Neil-> fryfrog, ok, thanks :) ill have a play
[07:13] <neildarlow> scott_: apparently. although things are working better for me today than before. just updated too.
[07:14] <scott_> I updated last night, haven't noticed anything broken
[07:14] <scott_> well
[07:14] <scott_> nothing new anyway
[07:14] <fryfrog> i *think* you could start by changing "writable = no" to "yes"
[07:15] <mc44> ScarFreewill: it doesnt affect all hardware
[07:15] <mc44> scott_: ^
[07:15] <fryfrog> Neil-: and I think you might need to double check what the uh...
[07:15] <neildarlow> "browseable = yes" would help too :)
[07:15] <ScarFreewill> mc44: hehe
[07:15] <mc44> ScarFreewill: sorry :)
[07:15] <ScarFreewill> np
[07:16] <fryfrog> the "security = " is set to
[07:16] <fryfrog> think "user" might be the default, but you might like "share" better (read about em first)
[07:16] <ScarFreewill> will my pc work if i install herd3 and do a full upgrade?
[07:16] <fryfrog> he has "available" and "browsable" and "public" all set to yes in that pastebin
[07:16] <mc44> ScarFreewill: it will end up like current feisty, yes
[07:17] <ScarFreewill> no broken kernels?
[07:17] <mc44> ScarFreewill: not now the kernel has been removed from the repos
[07:17] <fryfrog> shoudln't, the "broke" is blocked now
[07:17] <ScarFreewill> cool :D
[07:18] <mc44> ScarFreewill: do you already have feisty installed and it is broken?
[07:18] <fryfrog> dumb ubuntu question, but why does it seem to always be "X.04" and then "X.10"?
[07:18] <ScarFreewill> no its working but my brother installed herd3 just now
[07:18] <mc44> fryfrog: year.month
[07:18] <mc44> of release
[07:18] <fryfrog> OHHHHH
[07:18] <dystopianray> fryfrog: because there tend to be releases in april and october
[07:18] <neildarlow> fryfrog: that's the scheme
[07:19] <fryfrog> that is so insanly smart it went totally undetectable by me :)
[07:19] <neildarlow> fryfrog: it's more informative than 2007.1 and 2007.2
[07:19] <mc44> and also more confusing :)
[07:20] <fryfrog> yeah, that is true
[07:20] <fryfrog> once you *know* :)
[07:20] <neildarlow> and any slippage can be attributed to version number variety :)
[07:20] <mc44> heh
[07:20] <fryfrog> so have any of them *not* ben .04 or .10?
[07:21] <mc44> 6.06
[07:21] <andrew> 6.06
[07:21] <fryfrog> ah
[07:21] <andrew> 6.06 LTS
[07:21] <scott_> I kick ass
[07:22] <neildarlow> scott_: i did that today when i blacklisted my IDE controller module :)
[07:23] <neildarlow> has the codec downloading thing been removed? i noticed libgimme was marked auto-remove today
[07:24] <mc44> neildarlow: it shouldnt have been
[07:24] <neildarlow> mc44: it was and i did :o
[07:24] <Javva> hi! is fiesty releasing on schedule? (April 19)
[07:24] <mc44> neildarlow: i meant the codec downloading stuff
[07:25] <mc44> Javva: we wont know until it releases
[07:25] <neildarlow> Javva: according to Mark Shuttleworth on the LinuxActionShow! podcast, yes
[07:25] <Javva> and he is?
[07:25] <mc44> neildarlow: however current kernel problems may change that :p
[07:25] <fryfrog>  i wonder how much he has to do with the day to day stuff in ubuntu
[07:25] <neildarlow> Javva: the one behind ubuntu
[07:25] <Javva> ah
[07:26] <fryfrog> like, does he just approve when someone says "okay, we think we have 7.04 ready"?
[07:26] <neildarlow> fryfrog: well, he has to say that anyway. wireless still has some outstanding issues too
[07:26] <fryfrog> or does he like, setup firefox and all that stuff
[07:26] <mc44> fryfrog: he isnt involved in the actual release
[07:26] <fryfrog> ah
[07:26] <fryfrog> so he is mainly like a CEO / President
[07:26] <mc44> right
[07:27] <fryfrog> talking the talk, all that stuff
[07:27] <mc44> fryfrog: and the money
[07:27] <fryfrog> is he a *developer* (in that he can code and stuff)
[07:27] <mc44> yes
[07:27] <fryfrog> ah, well yeah the money too :)
[07:27] <Javva> there is money made in ubuntu?
[07:27] <fryfrog> ah, neat
[07:27] <fryfrog> Javva: no, he pours money into ti
[07:27] <fryfrog> well, i'm sure *someone* is making money off ubuntu
[07:27] <mc44> fryfrog: he was a debian maintainer of apache
[07:27] <gnomefreak> !offtopic
[07:27] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:27] <neildarlow> fryfrog: listen to the podcast. it's quite illuminating. he plays a lot with feisty both ubuntu and kubuntu. particularly compiz and beryl
[07:27] <dystopianray> canonical provide paid support for ubuntu
[07:27] <mc44> gnomefreak: sorry :)
[07:28] <fryfrog> ahaha
[07:28] <Javva> is it a vodcast?
[07:28] <fryfrog> i'm just impressed that he got to go into space :)
[07:28] <neildarlow> Javva: podcast. ogg or mp3 format chatshow
[07:28] <Javva> i thought he demosntrated the 3d
[07:29] <Zambezi> My Feisty server stucks at this on boot: "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)". What can I do about that?
[07:29] <mc44> Zambezi: on the new kernel?
[07:30] <neildarlow> http://www.linuxactionshow.com for anyone that's interested
[07:30] <Zambezi> mc44, Yes.
[07:30] <fryfrog> Zambezi: you'll need to find a way to chroot into your environment, then wait for the kernel update to come out in (minutes? hours?)
[07:30] <mc44> fryfrog: or boot into an old kernel
[07:30] <mc44> which is much easier
[07:30] <fryfrog> did that work for some?
[07:30] <BirdofPrey> has anyone in here had experience in booting the PPC alternative ISO on the original ibook?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> neildarlow: please save that for #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:30] <fryfrog> my dist-upgrade farked up all my initrds
[07:31] <Zambezi> fryfrog, Then I use an old kernel if that works. One other thing is strange. I have some harddrives. BIOS finds all, but Ubuntu everyone except one.
[07:31] <hexidigital> i can't boot into an old kernel either, fryfrog
[07:31] <fryfrog> though i was coming from edgy, not slightly older feisty
[07:31] <neildarlow> gnomefreak: when is discussion by Mark Shuutleworth about feisty offtopic?
[07:31] <mc44> neildarlow: because its not about support
[07:31] <fryfrog> Zambezi: i think it is due to sata being a bit mucked up
[07:31] <gnomefreak> neildarlow: this is a support channel
[07:31] <Zambezi> fryfrog, And that error also occured after reboot to the new kernel.
[07:31] <mc44> hexidigital: why cant you boot into an old kernel ?
[07:31] <fryfrog> Zambezi: oh, that is lame :/
[07:31] <hexidigital> mc44:  i dunno... i'm just saying
[07:32] <fryfrog> i just end up at the same busybox
[07:32] <hexidigital> mc44:  less the "i'm just saying".. wrong channel for that
[07:32] <mc44> hexidigital: yes, i was just curious if it was you had deleted it
[07:32] <fryfrog> i think *my* problem is related to a update-initramfs that didn't work well
[07:32] <fryfrog> i noticed that a few hours ago there was an update to that package
[07:32] <gnomefreak> fryfrog: did you see the usplash?
[07:32] <fryfrog> gnomefreak: well, i rebooted a *lot*
[07:32] <Zambezi> fryfrog, It's annoying I need Feisty to make my printserver work. Or at least I made it work in Feisty. But I'm not too happy to change anything when that works.
[07:32] <fryfrog> gnomefreak: and mostly in rescue/text mode
[07:33] <gnomefreak> did you see the usplash beofre thrown into busybox?
[07:33] <fryfrog> gnomefreak: but yes, when i *first* tried booting i did see it
[07:33] <gnomefreak> before.
[07:33] <fryfrog> right, first boot i used the normal pretty load up and i saw spash for a moment (it didn't progress, but the bar was there)
[07:33] <fryfrog> from then on, i was booting into text to troubleshoot and see stuff
[07:33] <gnomefreak> fryfrog: thats sounds right
[07:34] <fryfrog> it would try to mount up / w/o loading any modules like sata_sil and ata_piix that it needed
[07:34] <Neil-> Hey guys, I'm having issues with realplayer. The repos version crashes as does the .bin. I've now installed helix which claims to do real straight off, however get this:
[07:34] <Neil-> Bad Transport (rtsp://rmgeo.bbc.net.uk/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/uk/video/88000/bb/88573_16x9_bb.rm?title="BBC"&author="BBC"&copyright="(C)%20British%20Broadcasting%20Corporation")
[07:34] <gnomefreak> fryfrog: that would be a initramfs-tools issue
[07:34] <gnomefreak> more than likely
[07:34] <Neil-> Helix doesnt actually crash unlike real, so this is an improvement,,
[07:34] <fryfrog> once i dropped into busybox, i could load all the modules it was "forgetting" to and load up all the things needed, then mount and chroot and stuff
[07:34] <mc44> Neil-: try with amarok or xine
[07:34] <fryfrog> gnomefreak: ahhh
[07:34] <askar> I can no longer use desktop-effects.. I get this error message:
[07:34] <askar> modinfo: could not find module nvidia_new
[07:34] <askar> nvidia hardware not available
[07:34] <askar> I am not using nvidia....
[07:34] <mc44> Neil-: ive never got bbc to work in anything else
[07:35] <fryfrog> i couldn't find anything searching bugs for "initramfs" but i probably suck at searching the ubuntu bug system
[07:35] <askar> why?
[07:35] <bur[n] er> Neil-: you could always use totem-xine in place of real player
[07:35] <Neil-> mc44: can you view stuff embedded in mozilla?
[07:35] <fryfrog> why aren't you using nvidia hardware?  probably cause you are silly!
[07:35] <bur[n] er> mc44: with totem you can
[07:35] <mc44> Neil-: yeah with mozilla totem I believee
[07:35] <bur[n] er> er... Neil-; mc44: with totem-mozilla you can
[07:35] <assasukasse> !rc
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <assasukasse> !release
[07:36] <Neil-> really
[07:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:36] <Neil-> interesting :D
[07:36] <assasukasse> uff
[07:36] <Neil->  I tried open it in the helix app and it told me to use realplayer, ahhh!
[07:36] <mc44> Neil-: youd have to change to totem-xine first
[07:36] <assasukasse> still no news for the RC?
[07:36] <mc44> assasukasse: RC isnt out yet
[07:36] <assasukasse> thanks
[07:36] <Neil-> mc44: How do you do that?
[07:36] <Neil-> just add it?
[07:37] <gnomefreak> assasukasse: few days
[07:37] <mc44> Neil-: apt-get install totem-xine
[07:37] <Neil-> and totem-mozilla after?
[07:37] <assasukasse> gnomefreak:  are they going for final directly?
[07:37] <mc44> Neil-: right
[07:37] <gnomefreak> Neil-: it should be installed already
[07:37] <Neil-> actually, I dont see totem mozilla listed on synaptic :/
[07:37] <gnomefreak> assasukasse: there will be 1 rc and than final
[07:37] <Neil-> nm ignore me, its isntalled :D
[07:37] <assasukasse> oki
[07:38] <bur[n] er> !info totem-mozilla
[07:38] <ubotu> totem-mozilla: Totem Mozilla plugin. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 64 kB
[07:38] <Neil-> !info totem-xine
[07:38] <ubotu> totem-xine: A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.18.1-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1311 kB, installed size 6628 kB
[07:38] <Neil-> so movie player is now totem-xine?
[07:39] <Neil-> instead of the normal totem?
[07:39] <Zambezi> Intressting. After reboot it can't load hardware drivers. It said fail. How on earth (read the f-word) can I access the commandline now?
[07:39] <mc44> Neil-: it just uses xine instead of gstreamer as a backend
[07:39] <fryfrog> Zambezi: are you in busybox?
[07:39] <Neil-> mc44: ok thanks :)
[07:39] <Zambezi> fryfrog, Busybox?
[07:39] <fryfrog> did it drop you to a promt that looks like... (busybox) i thnk?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> Neil-: xine tends to play more formats than gstreamer
[07:39] <Neil-> BBC site still asks me to install realplayer.. hmm. However, the WMP version DOES now work, so thanks a lot for that :D
[07:39] <Neil-> yeah
[07:39] <fryfrog> might not *look* like a prompt, but it is a *very* simple shell
[07:39] <mc44> Neil-: i play bbc stuff in amarok rather than firefox though, so it might not work perfectly
[07:40] <soothsay> Do you have to manually start the 'Mail notification' applet or does it start on its own?
[07:40] <Zambezi> fryfrog, It didn't. I just stuck at "Running local scripts (/etc/rc.local)".
[07:40] <fryfrog> Zambezi: oh, was that booting the pretty splash or did you try the uh... "rescue" thing?
[07:41] <fryfrog> eitehr way, probably the fastest way is to boot from some livecd and chroot into your setup
[07:41] <fryfrog> then, when the update comes you can "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade" and then probably reboot and be okay
[07:41] <fryfrog> i'm using a gentoo livecd cause it is command line and has all the drivers, but i bet the ubuntu one works too
[07:41] <bur[n] er> Zambezi: try an older kernel?
[07:41] <Neil-> where are mozilla plugins stored?
[07:42] <crdlb> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[07:42] <HorizonXP> hey, my laptop doens't resume from suspend or hibernate properly
[07:42] <Neil-> uh oh
[07:42] <Neil-> I think the problem is, I deleted 2 totem plugins as according to a guide, it would force it to use the realplayer one i'd tried to get working
[07:42] <mc44> heh
[07:42] <Neil-> totem-complex, or somethig along those lines
[07:43] <soothsay> Neil-: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:44] <Neil-> I still have the 2 complex plugins in /usr/lib/totem
[07:44] <Neil-> how can I get them back into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[07:44] <Zambezi> bur[n] er, fryfrog  Didn't work, but recovery worked. I guess I have to stay logged in as root like that now and wait for the new kernelupgrade.
[07:44] <kane77> is there anything new with 14 kernel? I see packages were built, but I just dont see them as updates available...
[07:44] <Neil-> It's all symlinks I think, but I dont know how to make those
[07:44] <crdlb> Neil-, you could just purge and reinstall
[07:44] <Neil-> I thin I just need to make 2 new symlinks
[07:44] <mc44> kane77: see the topic
[07:45] <soothsay> Neil-: ln -s target link_name
[07:45] <soothsay> Neil-: man ln
[07:45] <kane77> mc44, oh, I didnt notice... sry
[07:46] <soothsay> Neil-: You can also try reinstalling totem-plugins from Synaptic (or whatever the appropriate package is)
[07:46] <soothsay> Neil-: It should restore the links
[07:47] <Neil-> ok :)
[07:47] <Neil-> hmmmm
[07:47] <Neil-> im back to square one now, its trying to use totem plugins, but I just get a grey box where it should have the realmedia
[07:48] <kelsa|martalli> Is the kernel update fixed yet?
[07:48] <kane77> kelsa|martalli, read topic
[07:48] <bur[n] er> Neil-: i use "mediaplayerconnectivity" firefox extension + vlc for realmedai
[07:48] <kelsa|martalli> kane77:  sorry
[07:48] <Suurorca> funny... mine actually booted after the update =p
[07:48] <kane77> kelsa|martalli, I just asked myself :D and got this answer :P
[07:49] <soothsay> kelsa|martalli: Supposed to be fixed, but update may not have propagated to mirrors
[07:49] <Neil-> thanks guys
[07:49] <Neil-> bur[n] er: is that in the repos?
[07:49] <kelsa|martalli> Suurorca:  So did I, but my update failed on the kernel modules
[07:49] <kane77> Suurorca, with 14 kernel?
[07:49] <Zambezi> If Feisty isn't fixed tonight, I think I have to downgrade to Edgy. :-/
[07:49] <mc44> soothsay: no they are just building a new kernel now
[07:49] <mc44> !downgrade | Zambezi
[07:49] <ubotu> Zambezi: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[07:49] <Suurorca> yes, 14
[07:49] <bur[n] er> Zambezi: what's the problemo senor?  my feisty is killer... except for mysql
[07:49] <kelsa|martalli> ls
[07:49] <kane77> Suurorca, with sata/pata drives?
[07:49] <Pici> kelsa|martalli: no files found
[07:49] <Suurorca> yes
[07:50] <Pici> kelsa|martalli: :)
[07:50] <bur[n] er> Zambezi: did you try an older kernel from you grub list?
[07:50] <kane77> mc44, I guess the kernel is built
[07:50] <Zambezi> bur[n] er, Feisty doesn't find a harddrive, Feistys won't start-
[07:50] <kelsa|martalli> Pici:  doh =)  I thought no one would notice
[07:50] <mc44> kane77: not in the datacentre :)
[07:50] <soothsay> mc44: I guess I misunderstood this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063/comments/39
[07:50] <kane77> mc44, oh, not for ia64 yet
[07:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.23 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[07:51] <Zambezi> bur[n] er, Yes I did with the same resualt. Now I finally got to the commandline when I used recovery.
[07:51] <Tm_T> looks like there is fix released, so keep staring your upgrade
[07:51] <Zambezi> mc44, Won't downgrade then. The problem is that Edgy server CD isn't bootable for me.
[07:51] <mc44> soothsay: there was another bug they just fixed
[07:52] <thesilentw> tm_t hey, how i upgrade from command line ?
[07:52] <hexidigital> my aptitude found new updates, but won't install anything on upgrade or dist-upgrade, so i guess it's not in the us repo yet
[07:52] <soothsay> mc44: Okay. I admittedly know very little.
[07:52] <Suurorca> thesilentw: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:52] <hexidigital> er, wait... i'm using the main repo
[07:52] <bur[n] er> Zambezi: try and update && upgrade?
[07:52] <mc44> Tm_T: you get it in apt?
[07:52] <Tm_T> thesilentw: apt-get update && apt-eget upgrade
[07:52] <Tm_T> thesilentw: with sudo ofcourse
[07:53] <mc44> Tm_T: the new package I mean. its showing up for you
[07:53] <thesilentw> ok thx
[07:53] <Tm_T> mc44: hmm, let me see, atleast in my mailbox
[07:53] <Suurorca> you definitely want to use dist-upgrade...
[07:53] <mc44> Tm_T: has to be built first :)
[07:53] <Tm_T> mc44: I know
[07:53] <Zambezi> bur[n] er, Just did. Nothing new to my mirror.
[07:53] <moonwatcher> hello
[07:53] <Tm_T> mc44: but I mean atleast it's coming :)
[07:53] <moonwatcher> i need a quick answer
[07:53] <moonwatcher> i am really quite desperatre :(
[07:53] <hexidigital> moonwatcher:  your feisty won't boot?
[07:53] <mc44> Tm_T: hehe :), you just set everyone off apt-get updating :)
[07:54] <Tm_T> mc44: ofcourse I do!
[07:54] <moonwatcher> i formated a drive from ntfs to fat32, what do i need to change in /etc/fstab to make it work...
[07:54] <moonwatcher> changed from ntfs to vfat
[07:54] <tibbar> how can i install kernal 2.6.20-10-generic
[07:54] <moonwatcher> and changed the uuid
[07:54] <moonwatcher> but it still gives me an error
[07:54] <mc44> tibbar: why do you want to install that kernel?
[07:54] <moonwatcher> UUID=8013-B895 /media/hda6     vfat    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=777,gid=46 0       1
[07:55] <zPacKRat> any one have issues today downloading "linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic"??
[07:55] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: you sure that's the right UUID?
[07:55] <Tm_T> mc44: hmm, actually, it should be in repos by now, taking some time I notice
[07:55] <llutz> moonwatcher: did you also change the partition-type?
[07:55] <thesilentw> suurorca thx mate
[07:55] <Neil-> zPacKRat: read the topic :D
[07:55] <tibbar> mc44: i think its the latest kenel that nvidia drivers works with
[07:55] <Neil-> its fubar
[07:55] <zPacKRat> doh, thankws
[07:55] <moonwatcher> i just formatted the drive from ntfs to fat32
[07:55] <Neil-> New one is coming soon to fix
[07:56] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: try using /dev/hda2 or whatever instead of a UUID
[07:56] <tibbar> i just installed herd3 what is the fastest way for me to install nvidia divers?
[07:56] <llutz> moonwatcher: change the partition-type
[07:56] <bur[n] er> tibbar: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:56] <moonwatcher> partition type?
[07:57] <Gambaroni> when I'm going to install using netboot.. It seems like it couldn't find the root file system, why?
[07:57] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: llutz: he did by formatting... same thign
[07:57] <Neil-> !nvidia
[07:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:57] <llutz> bur[n] er: nope
[07:57] <tibbar> bur[n] er: then it wants to install kernel 14
[07:57] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: did you use gparted to do the format?
[07:57] <moonwatcher> uuid seems to be correct
[07:57] <moonwatcher> not
[07:57] <moonwatcher> did it from windows...
[07:58] <moonwatcher> its empty i don tmind formatting it again if that would help
[07:58] <thesilentw> how u make a system restart from consoel?
[07:58] <llutz> moonwatcher: than it should be ok
[07:58] <scott_> heh
[07:58] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: worth a shot I suppose, what error do you get on trying to mount it?
[07:58] <scott_> thesilentw: from console, or from a terminal, type "sudo init 6"
[07:58] <llutz> thesilentw: sudo init 6
[07:58] <moonwatcher> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/disk/by-uuid/8013-B895,
[07:58] <moonwatcher>        missing codepage or other error
[07:58] <moonwatcher>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:58] <moonwatcher>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:58] <moonwatcher> thats what i get when i run mount -a
[07:58] <thesilentw> hoa, the update didnt fix my system :(
[07:58] <Neil-> thesilentw: sudo shutdown -r
[07:58] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: try usign the /dev/hda3 or whatever just for kicks
[07:58] <moonwatcher> UUID=8013-B895 /media/hda6     vfat    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=777,gid=46 0       1
[07:58] <moonwatcher> maybe somethign else shoudl be changed on this line?
[07:59] <thesilentw> my system is still wrong, but now,, a diferent message
[07:59] <moonwatcher> i tried /dev/hda5 instead of 6 and it said it doesn texist
[07:59] <shirish> hi all can somebody help me, after todays updates, I cannot see the desktop
[08:00] <Neil-> I have a dual-core CPU
[08:00] <Neil-> do I need a special kernel ?
[08:00] <mc44> Neil-: no
[08:00] <thesilentw> shirish, see topic
[08:00] <mc44> Neil-: generic should be fine
[08:00] <thesilentw> same problem here
[08:00] <Neil-> mc44: Cool, thanks, just checking
[08:00] <thesilentw> guys, the problem on the channel topic, is there a fix ?
[08:00] <basz> shirish, no boot or no desktop?
[08:01] <Neil-> mc44: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15422/
[08:01] <mc44> thesilentw: wait for the new kernel
[08:01] <Neil-> why does this only show as 1 core?
[08:01] <shirish> basz: boot yes, desktop no
[08:01] <Neil-> cpu cores : 1
[08:01] <basz> what graphicscard?
[08:01] <mc44> Neil-: but there is two of them :)
[08:01] <thesilentw> mc44, ok, but, shouldnt it be possible to....say go back ?
[08:01] <Neil-> hahaha ok my bad!
[08:01] <Zambezi> thesilentw, There will be.
[08:01] <shirish> basz: I was not able to download the linux headers for the day
[08:02] <mc44> thesilentw: you can boot into an old kernel
[08:02] <Zambezi> thansen, Try to boot with recovery and apt-upgrade from there.
[08:02] <shirish> basz: It's an intel express i845 integrated chipset
[08:02] <Zambezi> mc44, Old kernel didn't work for me, just recovery.
[08:02] <thesilentw> mc44, i boot in old kernel, but only terminal mode available
[08:02] <mc44> Zambezi: wfm :)
[08:02] <basz> shirish, that's fine... you would be in a lot more trouble when the update dd succeed... ;)
[08:02] <moonwatcher> i dont know what changed
[08:02] <mc44> thesilentw: you are using nvidia drivers right?
[08:02] <moonwatcher> but now i dont get an error
[08:02] <thesilentw> yup
[08:03] <mc44> thesilentw: then wait for the new kernel, or change to the nv free drivers
[08:03] <shirish> basz: I had to use the magic keys, ALT+SYSQ+S, ALT+SYS+U, ALT+SYS+B both times but without any success
[08:03] <basz> shirish, login promt is there though?
[08:03] <thesilentw> mc44, ok, so, when it is out i just do an update again ?
[08:03] <mc44> thesilentw: exactly
[08:03] <shirish> basz: I think I need to change somewhere, for it does not dump me to the login prompt also
[08:03] <moonwatcher> but
[08:04] <thesilentw> mc44, i am new to linux, whats the ETA +- for new kernel
[08:04] <basz> shirish, ctrl-alt-f1. does that bring up a loginprompt?
[08:04] <thesilentw> hours, days, weeks ?
[08:04] <shirish> basz: nope, that does not work
[08:04] <mc44> thesilentw: a few hours perhaps, but when its ready is the actual answer :)
[08:04] <Tm_T> thesilentw: some hours and should be there
[08:04] <moonwatcher> but the file manager says i do not hav epermissions
[08:04] <thesilentw> ok
[08:04] <moonwatcher> permissions
[08:04] <shirish> basz: I tried the ctl+alt+f1-f6 without success
[08:05] <shirish> basz: Even /var/crash does not show anything
[08:05] <PriceChild> xtknight, for people that got the dodgy kernel and were affected by it yes...
[08:05] <thesilentw> i am going to windows now, have to set it up from scratch, cause i liked ubuntu so much that didnt change windows installs yet xD
[08:05] <basz> shirish, strange... you're not resuming from standby or something?
[08:05] <xtknight> PriceChild, hrmm guess i shouldnt reboot
[08:05] <bur[n] er> shirish: using nvidia?  try giving /boot/grub/menu.lst an explicit vga=771 option
[08:05] <mc44> thesilentw: make sure you come back :)
[08:05] <PriceChild> xtknight, it also won't let upgrades work
[08:05] <moonwatcher> is there something that can reformat that partition and correct the fstab file?
[08:05] <llutz> moonwatcher: sure you want "umask=777"?
[08:05] <mc44> thesilentw: to ubuntu that is :p
[08:05] <moonwatcher> i don tcare what mask i
[08:05] <thesilentw> mc44, i will, everything i did in last days is there xD
[08:06] <moonwatcher> i just want it writeable please...
[08:06] <basz> bur[n] er: intel onboard it is
[08:06] <shirish> basz: bur[n] er: nope, intel express integrated i845 chipset
[08:06] <Zambezi> mc44, Sorry. Don't copy what wfm means.
[08:06] <llutz> moonwatcher: umask=000
[08:06] <moonwatcher> i need to be able to write to it from both windows and linut
[08:06] <mc44> Zambezi: works for me, sorry
[08:06] <moonwatcher> linux
[08:06] <shirish> basz: any idea what should I do?
[08:06] <basz> you
[08:06] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: i use ext3 & fs-driver.org in windows to read/write that ext3
[08:06] <basz> shirish, not resuming from standby or anything?
[08:06] <thesilentw> OMG, OMG, the new update changed grub in a way that i cant boot vista, help!!!
[08:06] <basz> shirish, clean boot?
[08:07] <bur[n] er> thesilentw: you say that like it's a bad thing... I've used Vista, you can't fool me into thinking it's something that somebody wants ;)
[08:07] <hexidigital> heh
[08:07] <tibbar> whats the site's name with all the ubuntu deb on it?
[08:07] <shirish> basz: the first time was a clean boot, did the updates, then shut down, then start again, then no desktop, no nothing
[08:07] <thesilentw> bur
[08:07] <bur[n] er> tibbar: pacakges.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <basz> shirish, darn. have to go. wife wants to go shopping or something.. :S
[08:07] <shirish> ok cool
[08:07] <Zambezi> mc44, Let's hope there will be a solution tonight.
[08:08] <thesilentw> burner, well, ubuntu is down....where should i go? gona play games on vista of course
[08:08] <mc44> Zambezi: should be
[08:08] <moonwatcher> 000 doesn twork either
[08:08] <moonwatcher> :(
[08:08] <thesilentw> hmm winxp boot is not damaged.... why is vista ?
[08:08] <tibbar> does apt remove files out of your cache if its not in you lists anymore?
[08:08] <PersonA> If i stop an upgrade in the process ? Would that mess anything up with my current configuration ? Or cause any problems by stopping the update before it is finished downloading and installing ?
[08:08] <moonwatcher> lg@babar:/media$ cd hda6
[08:08] <moonwatcher> bash: cd: hda6: Permission denied
[08:09] <PersonA> Edgy to Fiesty
[08:09] <moonwatcher> that looks liek i am almost there...
[08:09] <llutz> moonwatcher: check permission of mount-point
[08:09] <balster_neb> hmm, the packages file has just been updated, yet it doesn't mention the kernel
[08:09] <balster_neb> I wonder what the hold up is
[08:09] <moonwatcher> the ntfs partition was there previously
[08:09] <moonwatcher> and was readable...
[08:09] <Anomal1> hey guys. I'm trying to install grub, because upgrading to feisty wiped it for some reason. I looked at this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351, but what it tells me to do doesnt work. after running find /boot/grub/stage1, i just get a file not found error
[08:09] <mc44> balster_neb: a new kernel is building now
[08:10] <Zambezi> mc44, The strange thing is that it won't find every harddrive. It makes me fed up, but I'm going to install Dapper before I go to bed if nothings changed.
[08:10] <Anomal1> meh. booting
[08:10] <Anomal1> :/
[08:10] <mc44> Zambezi: its a bug in ata detection
[08:10] <Zambezi> Anomal1, Try an old kernel.
[08:10] <balster_neb> mc44: cool then
[08:10] <moonwatcher> d---------  2 root plugdev 16384 1970-01-01 01:00 hda6
[08:10] <moonwatcher> bummer
[08:10] <matysek> guys, i cannot unmount cdrom in kde. can you tell me the syntax?
[08:10] <thesilentw> i wonder why this happen, arent upgrades tested before sent to public ?
[08:10] <tibbar> does anyone know where i can find linux-image-2.6.20-10-generic
[08:10] <mc44> thesilentw: this is the testing
[08:10] <shirish> ok anybody knows, how do I know what the latest updates I did?
[08:11] <mc44> thesilentw: its a development version
[08:11] <bur[n] er> matysek: sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[08:11] <moonwatcher> sudo chmod 777 hda6
[08:11] <tibbar> its deleted out of my cache and its not on the net
[08:11] <Anomal1> Zambezi: how would I do that?
[08:11] <moonwatcher> didnt change anything :(
[08:11] <matysek> bur[n] er: thnks
[08:11] <Anomal1> plus, its not really a kernel problem. its just grub being a bitch :/
[08:11] <Dekkard> hmm
[08:11] <mc44> !ohmy | Anomal1
[08:11] <ubotu> Anomal1: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:11] <thesilentw> mc44, yeah to check bugs, but...well, this is a non bootable kernel, bigger than bug, its an error
[08:11] <mc44> thesilentw: no, its a bug :)
[08:12] <thesilentw> ok ok
[08:12] <Dekkard>  i seem to be running 2.6.20.14
[08:12] <Anomal1> sorry mc44 :)
[08:12] <thesilentw> put it offline for now then xD
[08:12] <moonwatcher> llutz: shouldn't chmod 777 hda6 make him happy?
[08:12] <llutz> moonwatcher: umount before
[08:12] <mc44> nickspoon: dont make me kick you :p
[08:12] <shirish> is there anyway to know which kernel one is running from outside linux, I can see the ext3 partition
[08:12] <Anomal1> so yea. anyone help me installing grub?
[08:12] <Anomal1> :)
[08:12] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: chmod doesn't work on vfat due to mount options overrulling
[08:12] <nickspoon> mc44: Ooh, the big scary op.
[08:12] <moonwatcher> how do i unmount?
[08:12] <thesilentw> i guess i will not update my ubuntu anymore, or ask if it is safe first xD
[08:13] <llutz> moonwatcher: sudo umount /media/hda6
[08:13] <bur[n] er> moonwatcher: sudo umount /media/mountpoint
[08:13] <matysek> bur[n] er: thanks again :D i am loser :P :D
[08:13] <bur[n] er> thesilentw: just be wary of linux-* packages... kernel updates can be bad
[08:13] <nerdygirl_ellie> Guess it's still broke.  Thanks
[08:13] <mc44> nickspoon: I know your type, always causing trouble :p
[08:13] <mc44> nerdygirl_ellie: yep
[08:14] <fryfrog> oh how i miss you, future kernel update! :)
[08:14] <peyote> Hi! Has the roadmap changed with the RC not being ready or is feisty going to be released the 19th of april?
[08:14] <mc44> peyote: we dont know
[08:15] <moonwatcher> that worked :)
[08:15] <moonwatcher> thanks guys i knew i could count on you
[08:15] <llutz> moonwatcher: sure :)
[08:15] <moonwatcher> have to screen a movie in 50 min and there are people waiting
[08:15] <Anomal1> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[08:15] <Anomal1> Error 15: File not found
[08:15] <Anomal1> ^^ can anyone suggest a fix? anyone at all? :(
[08:15] <peyote> ok,  so lets get surprised next week ;)
[08:15] <rpereira> Does someone have problems too with Atheros AR5002 and network-manager?
[08:16] <moonwatcher> had to move the file to the windows viewable file system cost the video out doesnt work on ubuntu yet  :)
[08:16] <nickspoon> rpereira: Everyone has problems with NetworkManager :)
[08:16] <Grey_Loki> Woah. I think i'll be sticking with Edgy for the time being.
[08:16] <moonwatcher> btw i suppose 777 is bad
[08:16] <moonwatcher> what should it be?
[08:16] <mc44> nickspoon: I dont! I did purge it from my system however
[08:16] <moonwatcher> (ill fix it later)
[08:16] <matysek> guys, what can i do if i can startup only with kernel ...13 and if i select ...14 it freezes
[08:16] <rpereira> nickspoon :)
[08:17] <kane77> nickspoon, me neither, but I removed it :)
[08:17] <llutz> moonwatcher: own it your user and then 755, mount with uid=...
[08:17] <nickspoon> matysek: Wait for the fix.
[08:17] <matysek> nickspoon: but it worked before ;)
[08:17] <moonwatcher> how do i "own it" ?
[08:17] <llutz> moonwatcher: man chown
[08:17] <nickspoon> matysek: Then you were lucky once. Everybody is having exactly the same problem as you, sit tight :)
[08:17] <thesilentw> btw, guys, when fix is online will it fix grub too ? cause it mess up my grub
[08:18] <moonwatcher> llutz: ok :)
[08:18] <moonwatcher> fair enough, ill do it later :)
[08:18] <matysek> matysek: ahaa ;) it is soo :D
[08:18] <kane77> mc44, are you from devel team?
[08:18] <savvas> this makes me think: how about some more days of testing for the new kernels? :\
[08:19] <mc44> kane77: nope
[08:19] <mc44> savvas: this is the testing
[08:19] <nickspoon> mc44? Devel team? Teeheeheehee.
[08:19] <moonwatcher> thx all, see you later :)
[08:19] <savvas> by the way, i used the .bak and .old stuff, but feisty still didn't boot
[08:20] <savvas> something like: [28.938418]  ata4.00 revalidation failed (errno=-19)
[08:20] <mc44> savvas: if you need a stable system dont use the development version
[08:20] <nickspoon> mc44: Wise words.
[08:21] <savvas> well i thought beta meant 'partially tested' heh
[08:21] <peter77> Ubuntu has started to stop at the begining of it's boot
[08:21] <nickspoon> Stuff can break.
[08:21] <mc44> peter77: see the topic
[08:21] <nickspoon> peter77: topic!
[08:21] <Pici> TOPIC!
[08:21] <peter77> your joking
[08:21] <savvas> lol, now i see why you're so grumpy :)
[08:21] <Dekkard> we have no sense of humor we are aware of
[08:21] <Anomal1> *sigh*
[08:21] <nickspoon> peter77: Yes, I am, this is all a joke.
[08:22] <peter77> how can I fcking update if the system if I can't boot
[08:22] <Anomal1> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[08:22] <Anomal1> Error 15: File not found
[08:22] <Anomal1> ^^ please? :(
[08:22] <nickspoon> In fact, we're already using Picky Penguin (Ubuntu 14.09)
[08:22] <mc44> peter77: boot into an old kernel
[08:22] <Pici> peter77: boot into a previous kernel
[08:22] <mc44> peter77: also please dont swear
[08:22] <peter77> LOL
[08:22] <savvas> mc44: i already told you that doesn't work :\
[08:22] <peter77> I don't have any other kernels installed
[08:22] <mc44> savvas: it does for many people
[08:22] <savvas> unless i'm not following something
[08:23] <nickspoon> peter77: You're screwed then.
[08:23] <mc44> nickspoon: sssh
[08:23] <peter77> no I'll put suse 10.2 on
[08:23] <nickspoon> I suppose you could get an install cd and chropt.
[08:23] <nickspoon> chroot*
[08:23] <mc44> peter77: see this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[08:23] <peter77> I know how to install suse 10.2 mc44!
[08:23] <Dekkard> not to self..do not upgrade and do not reboot
[08:24] <savvas> peter77: you could always format the root / partition and use edgy until feisty goes stable
[08:24] <mc44> peter77: its not for installing, its to update without an old kernel
[08:24] <preglow> re topic, would it be wise not to restart the system for a little while if i just updated?
[08:24] <mc44> preglow: yes
[08:24] <preglow> cool
[08:24] <Dekkard> heh
[08:24] <mon^rch> Dekkard: I upgraded everything BUT the kernel+headers
[08:24] <mon^rch> :)
[08:24] <Tm_T> vega-: moin
[08:24] <Dekkard> coo
[08:24] <Anomal1> i hate grub ;_;
[08:24] <savvas> lol
[08:24] <preglow> but for my original question, is it just me or aren't there any restricted modules for the lowlatency kernel yet? (amd64) ?
[08:25] <nickspoon> I'm glad I decided not to clean up my old kernels until after Feisty's release :)
[08:25] <tritonx___> I have a small installlation question, can I perform an "upgrade" from the live CD over the edgy partition ?
[08:25] <mc44> nickspoon: or not cleaning up your old kernels just after a kernel upgrade is wise too
[08:25] <peter77> thanx mc44
[08:25] <peter77> I'll give it a try
[08:25] <Dekkard> sysinfo says im running 2.6.14 generic.. is that why I am still here?
[08:25] <mc44> peter77: no problem
[08:25] <tritonx___> can I just install and keep the same path ? and keep my settings
[08:25] <mc44> peter77: the new kernel isnt ready yet though
[08:26] <savvas> Dekkard: 2.6.14-23 was broken
[08:26] <Dekkard> ahhh
[08:26] <savvas> apt-cache show linux-image-generic
[08:26] <Dekkard>  i havent done tha tupgrad..
[08:26] <Dekkard> or upgrade
[08:26] <nickspoon> Dekkard: Good, don't,
[08:26] <savvas> then you're probably -22 :)
[08:26] <Dekkard> no prob..
[08:26] <vega-> Tm_T: hola
[08:26] <savvas> um any info about what was broken? i'd like to read that :)
[08:26] <Dekkard> friday the 13th an all. freekin wierd
[08:27] <nickspoon> Dekkard: Haha, never thought about that :)
[08:27] <Tm_T> !fi | vega-
[08:27] <ubotu> vega-: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[08:27] <Anomal1> anyone. grub. error 15. please. help. interwebs can be won.?
[08:27] <Tm_T> vega-: in case you didn't know
[08:27] <savvas> Dekkard: looks like some developers have a bad taste of humour :P
[08:27] <tritonx___> anomall: re-setup grub on that drives
[08:27] <Dekkard> heh
[08:28] <Dekkard> its been totally painless untill now..
[08:28] <Dekkard>  and by pure dumb luck i haven't upgraded.. god.. amzaing cuz im a upgrade junkie
[08:28] <savvas> does anyone have a link with info about what was broken? i'd like to read that
[08:28] <mc44> savvas: it was a problem with HPA on ATA drives
[08:29] <peter77> I love fixing computers
[08:29] <peter77> I byoutch about it but it's fun
[08:29] <tritonx___> .... seeing the title, is it really a bad day to perform a dist-upgrade ?
[08:29] <savvas> mc44: is that the thing that makes /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* ?
[08:29] <nickspoon> tritonx___: Yes.
[08:29] <Dekkard> l8r
[08:29] <tritonx___> how risky is it ?
[08:29] <mc44> savvas: no its detecting hardrives and stuff
[08:30] <vega-> Tm_T: yes, i know, i'm on that channel too
[08:30] <savvas> oh ok thanks
[08:30] <mc44> tritonx___: it shouldnt be a problem as the bad kernel has been removed
[08:30] <tritonx___> k
[08:30] <tritonx___> ty
[08:30] <nickspoon> Oh, that's true.
[08:30] <fenrig>  /msg ubotu breakag
[08:30] <Tm_T> vega-: you're not ;)
[08:30] <mc44> !breakage > fenrig
[08:30] <lolman> Which is the dodgy one again? 23?
[08:30] <mc44> yes
[08:30] <nickspoon> Yep.
[08:31] <lolman> Thanks :)
[08:31] <tmccrary> since I upgraded to feisty, my GLX extension is broekn
[08:31] <tmccrary> broken rather
[08:31] <vega-> Tm_T: oops, read a little too fast :)
[08:31] <lolman> Just making sure I don't kill it again :D
[08:31] <tmccrary> Do you guys know where I can look for the error as to why it isn't loading?
[08:31] <savvas> should i expect the stable feisty to hit the dist-upgrade any time sooner?
[08:31] <bur[n] er> tmccrary: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:31] <hutre> tmccrary: try the topic :)
[08:31] <nickspoon> tmccrary: I can guess why GLX is broken. Where did you install your drivers from?
[08:32] <mc44> savvas: the update shouldnt be too long, but it still isnt a "stable release"
[08:32] <bur[n] er> hutre: the topic is about a kernel, not about glx
[08:32] <tmccrary> hutre: thanks, already did, nothing
[08:32] <Draconicus> I'm gonna shut this machine down for a bit so I can reorganize this desk and stuff.
[08:32] <mon^rch> I don't suppose the dev's are working to make the emerald themer work for compiz?
[08:32] <bur[n] er> fitting that it broke today... friday the 13th :)
[08:32] <tmccrary> nickspoon: I had installed an nvidia driver from nvidia.com with edgy. Do I need to remove it or something and reinstall the driver from apt?
[08:33] <bur[n] er> mon^rch: i would imagine that with the merge, they will, but i'm no authority
[08:33] <lolman> tmccrary, the apt-get driver is up to date with nvidia's, and gets an update every time the kernel does :)
[08:33] <nickspoon> tmccrary: Use the nvidia installer again.
[08:33] <bur[n] er> tmccrary: the driver from apt is probably newer and compiled for your kernel... sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:33] <bur[n] er> !nvidia | tmccrary
[08:33] <ubotu> tmccrary: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:33] <mon^rch> are they "merging" before the release of feisty, do you know?
[08:33] <nickspoon> tmccrary: Should fix it, seriously. I had a problem too, and mine works just fine now.
[08:33] <bur[n] er> mon^rch: nope
[08:34] <mon^rch> bummer
[08:34] <kane77> according to launchpad (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-15.24) 15 kernel was built successfully for all platforms...
[08:34] <balster_neb> Looks like the fixed kernel is ready
[08:34] <tmccrary> Does the nvidia driver in feisty's repos support composite/AIGLX? If so, I'd rather just use the one from apt, as it is easier to maintain during upgrades (no suprise X failures)
[08:34] <mon^rch> beryls switcher isn't as smooth
[08:34] <balster_neb> has anyone tried it yet?
[08:34] <lolman> Any sign of an ETA?
[08:34] <bur[n] er> tmccrary: it does
[08:34] <lolman> (As in when will it hit the repos?
[08:34] <tmccrary> k, cool
[08:34] <tmccrary> Maybe I need to purge the nvidia stuff and reinstall
[08:35] <mc44> balster_neb: not in the packages file yet here
[08:35] <nickspoon> tmccrary: Just be warned though, it might not work, mine didn't.
[08:35] <bur[n] er> tmccrary: you might need nvidia-glx-new too if you have a geforce 6200 or better
[08:35] <mon^rch> and beryls dragged windows are choppy
[08:35] <bur[n] er> tmccrary: s/too/instead
[08:35] <bur[n] er> my beryl windows are smooth :)
[08:35] <balster_neb> mc44: it does seem to be in the Packages.gz file at http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/
[08:35] <balster_neb> i guess the mirrors will be updated soon
[08:36] <mc44> balster_neb: might be waiting on a -meta upload
[08:36] <mon^rch> perhaps I need a better vid card?...  nope, my compiz effects are smoother
[08:36] <balster_neb> ah
[08:37] <tmccrary> bur[n] er: THanks I will try that
[08:37] <mon^rch> but beryl cas come along nicely in the pas 3-6 mos.
[08:38] <tmccrary> i'll be back ;)
[08:38] <peter77> hmm the fix didn't work
[08:38] <mc44> peter77: the new kernel isnt there yet, as I said
[08:38] <peter77> ahh, so when will it be there?
[08:38] <mc44> when its ready
[08:38] <peter77> lol
[08:39] <dandispaltro> I am running amd64 system and installed 32 bit firefox and the fonts look alot less antialiased, how do I fix this, or where is 32 bit gtkrc
[08:39] <peter77> ok, I better get some ext3 drivers for windows and send some files to my mac
[08:40] <peter77> !breakage
[08:41] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:41] <Anomal1> so guys. anyone think they can help me yet? :)
[08:41] <ikonia> dissapointing that that bug has happened in the beta - so close to release
[08:41] <jmichaelx> in the RC, actually
[08:41] <ikonia> yes
[08:41] <PriceChild> ikonia, wouldn't be the same without it
[08:41] <mc44> the RC isnt out
[08:41] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[08:42] <jmichaelx> feisty still looks very nice
[08:42] <savvas> Anomal1: with?
[08:42] <Anomal1> savvas: installing grub
[08:42] <savvas> it's installed with ubuntu
[08:42] <jmichaelx> mc44: ok, i was not aware of that
[08:42] <savvas> isn't it?
[08:42] <Anomal1> savvas
[08:42] <Anomal1> i upgraded to feisty
[08:42] <Anomal1> and it wiped my /boot
[08:43] <savvas> !!
[08:43] <Anomal1> and now I get "Error 15" when trying to start grub
[08:43] <savvas> try sudo update-grub
[08:43] <savvas> oh you restarted :\
[08:43] <Anomal1> so
[08:43] <jmichaelx> all of these issues will be resolved within the next number of hours
[08:43] <Anomal1> i followed the instructions on how to install grub from the edgy CD
[08:44] <ikonia> looks like its pointless trying to resolve fesity issues at the moment
[08:44] <ikonia> from what I'm reading
[08:44] <ikonia> best to just sit tight
[08:44] <Anomal1> but it didn't work :/
[08:44] <netmon1> Is there going to be a server version of Feisty released on the 19th or do I have to wait for Gutsy
[08:44] <ikonia> gutsy ???
[08:44] <mc44> netmon1: yes there will be a server version
[08:44] <mc44> !gutsy | ikonia
[08:44] <ubotu> ikonia: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[08:44] <ikonia> moving too fast
[08:44] <kitche> hmm Kevlar decided not to come in
[08:44] <Anomal1> savvas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 <-- I was using that
[08:44] <netmon1> mc44, Is there a beta server version of feisty available?
[08:44] <cables> kitche: and what a great thing that is.
[08:45] <jmichaelx> hoary>breezy>dapper>edgy>feisty>gutsy
[08:45] <mc44> netmon1: there should be
[08:45] <Anomal1> but on find /boot/grub/stage1 it says file not found
[08:45] <Anomal1> :/
[08:45] <cables> kitche: did he go back to #u at all?
[08:45] <kitche> cables nope
[08:45] <cables> kitche: ok
[08:45] <netmon1> oh ya I did find it
[08:45] <savvas> Anomal1: can't help you there mate,sorry, I just did a format :p
[08:46] <kitche> he's still on here not in any channels unless they are secret
[08:46] <Anomal1> savvas: oh, ok
[08:46] <savvas> well i guess i'll go, i'm not part of +1 anymore:\ nevertheless, good job with feisty
[08:48] <Anomal1> anyone else?
[08:48] <peter77> well I've got the ext3 driver so I can get my stuff and just use windows
[08:49] <hexidigital> hey, where'd Anomal1 go?
[08:49] <bthornton> Anyone know if Feisty has any new solutions for running the Flash plugin on 64-bit installations?  Or do we still have to go and manually do the 32-bit chroot thing?
[08:49] <dandispaltro> nspluginwrapper works for me
[08:50] <mon^rch> where can I get a nice "slab menu" from?
[08:50] <bthornton> ubotou nspluginwrapper
[08:50] <bthornton> mister bot?
[08:50] <kitche> !nspluginwrapper
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <peter77> is it possible to install a previous kernel to fiesty to get it running?
[08:50] <bthornton> ah
[08:50] <hexidigital> bthornton:  you have to spell it right :)
[08:50] <bthornton> to the google!
[08:51] <kitche> !breakage | _firefly
[08:51] <ubotu> _firefly: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:51] <bthornton> thanks
[08:51] <kitche> bthornton: but yeah use that a lot of distros are going that way insead of the 32 bit chroot
[08:51] <_firefly> thanks
[08:51] <dandispaltro> you can also install a 32bit firefox side by side
[08:52] <bthornton> kitche: yeah, this is news to me, so I'm checking up on it now
[08:52] <bullgard4> peter77: No.
[08:52] <peter77> pity
[08:52] <bthornton> thanks for the info
[08:53] <Anomal1> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[08:53] <Anomal1> Error 15: File not found
[08:53] <Anomal1> ^^ any takers? *is getting desperate now* :(
[08:53] <bthornton> dang, nspluginwrapper doesn't appear to be in the repos
[08:53] <dandispaltro> grab alien
[08:53] <dystopianray> Anomal1: looks like you either don't have grub installed or it's looking in the wrong place
[08:53] <Anomal1> dystopianray: well, i did apt-get install grub
[08:53] <Anomal1> so it should be installed
[08:54] <nickspoon> Anomal1: You could try using the Super Grub Boot Disk.
[08:54] <kitche> Anomal1: doesn't mean it got installed to mbr though
[08:54] <Anomal1> nickspoon: i'd need to download that, wouldn't I?
[08:54] <Anomal1> i don't have any way of doing that :(
[08:54] <Zaggynl^Laptop> ohmai, that's some bad info in the topic :(
[08:55] <hexidigital> wow
[08:55] <hexidigital> someone read the topic
[08:55] <nickspoon> Anomal1: grub-install
[08:55] <Anomal1> nickspoon: i tried that
[08:55] <Anomal1> grub-install /dev/sda
[08:55] <Anomal1> but it didn't work :S
[08:55] <nickspoon> Can't help you then.
[08:55] <kitche> so what about the topic? considering that feisty is beta
[08:55] <bthornton> <reads topic>
[08:55] <bthornton> ...I'm scared.
[08:55] <kitche> !breakage
[08:55] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:57] <PriceChild> rytmis read the topic :)
[08:57] <Rytmis> Right. Great news :D
[08:57] <peter77> ahh only windows is working on my laptop now :-(
[08:57] <dandispaltro> so we shouldnt restart?
[08:57] <dystopianray> peter77: try booting an older kernel
[08:57] <Rytmis> Well, I can boot an older kernel (obviously, I'm online after all), but I guess then the appropriate question would be "how do I downgrade nvidia-glx" :P
[08:58] <mc44> Rytmis: just wait for the new kernel
[08:58] <lolman> Rytmis, when the fix is issued you won't need to :)
[08:58] <mc44> dandispaltro: i wouldnt if you dont have to
[08:58] <Rytmis> Yeah but I kinda need to use my computer now, and not just in text mode either.
[08:58] <peter77> dystopianray, I don't have an older kernel installed, me stoopid for deleting the older kernels
[08:58] <mc44> Rytmis: then change the driver to nv
[08:58] <Zaggynl^Laptop> so, is the kernel update blacklisted, it won't get downloaded when I 'sudo apt-get update/upgrade' ?
[08:58] <Rytmis> Then again, I guess nv would work, so I might try that
[08:58] <dandispaltro> whats up with kvm the new package requires somehting that isnt in the tree
[08:58] <mc44> Zaggynl^Laptop: no
[08:58] <Rytmis> Yeah, I'll do that. Thanks, and sorry for bothering!
[08:58] <Zaggynl^Laptop> good
[08:59] <kitche> Kevlar_soul is back in #ubuntu :(
[08:59] <dandispaltro> why do the fonts on my 32 bit firefox and 64 bit look different is there a gtkrc I can change to make
[08:59] <dandispaltro> them look the same
[09:00] <dystopianray> kitche: who?
[09:00] <kitche> dystopianray: a guy that won't come here for help instead bothering us in #ubuntu :)
[09:00] <mc44> Seveas: see topic :)
[09:00] <bthornton> What's the official release date for Feisty again?  the 14th?
[09:01] <dystopianray> bthornton: 19th
[09:01] <bthornton> ah
[09:02] <Zaggynl^Laptop> 'hi everyone.
[09:02] <Zaggynl^Laptop> this bug is fixed. you can download the debs of linux-image from http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ if you want, but the changes will be in the archive shortly.'
[09:02] <Zaggynl^Laptop> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063/comments/53
[09:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.23 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed] 
[09:03] <lolman> I'll wait till the repos get it (nvidia etc)
[09:03] <Rytmis> Great, changing the driver to nv greets me with a screen full of blinking vertical stripes...
[09:03] <Rytmis> Must have messed something up, eh.
[09:03] <mc44> Zaggynl^Laptop: yes, some people need to wait for restricted modules
[09:03] <Zaggynl^Laptop> oki
[09:03] <mc44> Rytmis: you can always resort to vesa
[09:04] <wynd_> hi all, got a small issue, been using a fbsplash guide, and installed a package called sysv-rc-fbsplash, and now I can't seem to remove it or re-install it, ideas?
[09:04] <Rytmis> is there anything I shouldn't load with nv? glx or somesuch?`
[09:04] <dystopianray> Rytmis: defaults should be fine
[09:04] <xtknight> nv doesnt work properly with some 7xxx
[09:04] <xtknight> cards
[09:04] <Rytmis> dystopianray: But they aren't defaults since I've used nvidia-glx before?
[09:05] <peter77> did ubotu just say the new kernel is up?
[09:05] <dystopianray> Rytmis: just changing the driver from "nvidia" to "nv" should suffice
[09:05] <Rytmis> This is a 6600. And I'm pretty sure nv used to work fine. :/
[09:05] <Rytmis> dystopianray: That's kinda what I remembered. Something must be b0rk then.
[09:05] <Anomal1> anyone know how I can reinstall the windows MBR?
[09:05] <lolman> Hmm this is strange, the changelog on the repo (gb) seems to be updated for 24, but the actual package shows as 23 :-\
[09:05] <mc44> peter77: its not in the repos yet
[09:05] <Seveas> !windows | Anomal1
[09:05] <ubotu> Anomal1: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:06] <peter77> lol
[09:06] <dystopianray> Anomal1: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247804
[09:06] <richb> Anomal1: FWIW it used to be fdisk /mbr IIRC
[09:06] <kitche> peter77: no not ubotu this bug is fixed. you can download the debs of linux-image from http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels/feisty-release/ if you want, but the changes will be in the archive shortly.'
[09:06] <PriceChild> lolman, will probably be because the mirror did not sync before the package was pulled
[09:06] <lolman> PriceChild, that would explain it :D
[09:06] <Rytmis> In XP I seem to recall it's "fixboot" in the recovery shell
[09:06] <Anomal1> i don't want to remove linux
[09:06] <bur[n] er> Anomal1: i know!  load your XP install disk... click r for repair... run "fixmbr" and "fixboot" from the command line
[09:06] <Anomal1> i just want to boot _some_ os
[09:07] <richb> Anomal1: Although that was in the days of Windows 98.
[09:07] <peter77> kitche, yeah, I'll have to use a live cd to fix it!
[09:07] <bur[n] er> Anomal1: grub doesn't boot "some os" ?
[09:07] <Seveas> richb, for XP that still works
[09:07] <Anomal1> bur[n] er: grub won't install!
[09:07] <enyc> Actually the "mbr" program installs a "install-mbr" commant that can install "boot active partition" type 'traditional' mbr
[09:07] <Seveas> richb, maybe it changed for vista though
[09:07] <Pici> Anomal1: Windows command to restore the mbr is `fixmbr`.  I'm not sure if thats what you're looking for
[09:07] <enyc> E.g. Knoppix has "install-mbr"...
[09:07] <richb> Seveas: Ahh, good to know!
[09:07] <Anomal1> well. Grub isn't working
[09:07] <roadfish> !Seveas
[09:07] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:07] <enyc> Pici: that applies to recovery-console on (at least) NT5.0 NT5.1
[09:07] <macpo3> system will not boot normally, hangs with a blank screen, but boots ok in recovery mode - however I can't see anything in the logs that indicates the reason for the boot failure - ideas on how to investigate please
[09:07] <Anomal1> no-one seems to know how to get it to work
[09:07] <enyc> Anomal1: what happening EXACTLY?
[09:07] <Anomal1> so i need _some_ boot manager
[09:07] <Anomal1> :/
[09:08] <Anomal1> enyc:
[09:08] <Anomal1> well, i do find /boot/grub/stage1 like i'm told to, and instead of getting a device, i get File not found
[09:08] <macpo3> ok - topic covers it
[09:08] <roadfish> I took a took at the Seveas repository page and didn't see a reference to Feisty. Will Feisty be supported soon?
[09:08] <macpo3> forget I asked
[09:08] <enyc> Anomal1: hrrm is this on a feisty beta install ??
[09:08] <Seveas> roadfish, if someone gives me some spare time :)
[09:09] <kitche> Anomal1: did you install grub sicne you won't find that file unless you install grub
[09:09] <Anomal1> enyc: its after upgrading edgy to feisty
[09:09] <enyc> Anomal1: hrrm I see...
[09:09] <Anomal1> kitche: yes. i apt-get-ed grub
[09:09] <Anomal1> if that's what you mean
[09:09] <Seveas> mc44, heh, I just changed my employment contract from 16 to 32 hours :)
[09:09] <Hidan> huh so the developers are still working on it.
[09:09] <kane77> Seveas, i have some :) should I send it to you?
[09:09] <kitche> Anomal1: doesn't mean it's installed that just install the fiels that you need
[09:09] <mc44> Seveas: crazy! :)
[09:09] <bur[n] er> Anomal1: can you chroot and run "update-grub" ?
[09:10] <Rytmis> Seveas: 32 hours a day, right? ;)
[09:10] <Zambezi> Anyone got the new kernel yet?
[09:10] <Seveas> kane77, better do something useful with it like promoting Ubuntu :)
[09:10] <Anomal1> kitche: yes, i can't "install" it
[09:10] <Anomal1> that's why i'm here _
[09:10] <Anomal1> bur[n] er: i'll try
[09:10] <kitche> Anomal1: you can chroot into your install and run grub?
[09:10] <roadfish> other webpages said that I could the Medibuntu to install stuff like w32codecs on Feisty. I also noticed that the EasyUbuntu uses the Medibuntu repository. But someone else says that Medibuntu is a different distro.
[09:10] <lolman> Zambezi, doesn't look like it's in the repos yet
[09:10] <fryfrog> Zambezi: not me, i'm still franticallyhitting "update" every once in a while :)
[09:10] <roadfish> s/could the/could use the/
[09:10] <tmccrary> Does anyone else have a problem with gnome-terminal being broken?
[09:11] <Anomal1> kitche: yes.
[09:11] <tmccrary> Mine crashes when I start it, but xterm is okay
[09:11] <Rytmis> Hm, I might as well just hang around here and wait for the new kernel. Too lazy to install the packages from bcollins
[09:11] <tmccrary> The program 'gnome-terminal' received an X Window System error.
[09:11] <tmccrary> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[09:11] <tmccrary> that's what I get when I run gnome-terminal
[09:11] <Anomal1> bur[n] er: update-grub worked
[09:11] <roadfish> is Medibuntu repository safe for the Feisty beta or potentially unsafe?
[09:11] <bur[n] er> Anomal1: well, i take cash via paypal :)
[09:12] <bur[n] er> Anomal1: preferrably in $1000 increments ;)
[09:12] <mc44> roadfish: they worked for me, but with any external repos you may have problems
[09:12] <Anomal1> bur[n] er: hehe. why would I pay you, you've not solved my problem:p
[09:12] <kane77> Seveas, i do.. but I'm quite content with situation around me, many my friend are using ubuntu the rest uses gentoo, mandriva etc... only two friends refuse :) one is studying for m$ certificate the other says that linux is "commercial crap" (!! :) )  (i wasnt able to persuade him :D)
[09:13] <tmccrary> wtf
[09:13] <fryfrog> i just got the linux-restricted-modules -15 release, but not the kernel :)
[09:13] <Rytmis> fryfrog: tease!
[09:13] <lolman> LOL@Commercial crap
[09:13] <mc44> fryfrog: the mirrors may update slowly :)
[09:13] <kane77> lolman, yeah.. thats what i think :D
[09:13] <Rytmis> Yeah, you can't beat that commercial crap. Sending you all those CDs for free. :)
[09:14] <hexidigital> fryfrog:  what repo?
[09:14] <kane77> lolman, eh i mean the lol, not that it is commercial crap:D
[09:14] <lolman> I know :D
[09:14] <kitche> well considiering that ubuntu is semi-commericial unless he thinking of suse or red hat
[09:14] <fryfrog> weird, it shows as *available* in aptitude search, but doesn't get used by dist-upgrade
[09:14] <roadfish> kane77: if linux is to commercial for you friend, then what OS does your friend like? the abacus?
[09:15] <fryfrog> aptitude search linux-image showed it, but for some reason didn't isntall it?
[09:15] <lolman> roadfish, FreeBSD :P
[09:15] <kane77> roadfish, no I just think he might not have an idea what commercial means :)
[09:15] <fryfrog> weird, it was available on both systems
[09:15] <fryfrog> why wouldn't "dist-upgrade" see and install it?
[09:15] <Custombrush> last was this :linux-libc-dev_2.6.20-15.24_i386.deb
[09:16] <mc44> fryfrog: because it depends on the kernel
[09:16] <lolman> Yanno, other than this I'm very impressed with Feisty
[09:16] <magic_ninja> wow my computer is so tempremental
[09:16] <kane77> but nothing beats shelley the republican :D has anybody read that?
[09:17] <magic_ninja> storm killed the power last night and it didn't detect cdrom drives or hdd
[09:17] <fryfrog> how does one find the uuid of your partition/drive?
[09:17] <magic_ninja> turns out i had a short in my usb hub that was shorting my mobo lol
[09:17] <roadfish> kane77: is that a book?
[09:17] <fryfrog> oh, nm
[09:17] <kane77> roadfish, no, a blog
[09:18] <Xoke2> can anyone help me?  Was installing and laptop hit 'critial temp' and shutdown partway through upgrade to feisty beta :(
[09:18] <Custombrush> uuid right klickk of the drive
[09:18] <bur[n] er> Xoke2: and the problem is?
[09:18] <kane77> roadfish, if it was intended I bow, if not I feel sorry for USA  (at least the republicans) :)
[09:18] <lolman> Xoke2, boot it back up and start the upgrade again :D
[09:19] <Xoke2> when booting up loads raid modules (even though I don't have raid) and then says MDADM no devices listed.  Failure to assemble all arrays then 'Begin: Waiting for root file system' and hangs there before finally dropping to shell
[09:19] <fryfrog> er, hum my sda has no uuid
[09:19] <Xoke2> so I can't boot it back up - running an old live CD atm
[09:20] <lolman> Xoke2, did it manage to update the kernel by any chance?
[09:20] <bur[n] er> Xoke2: see topic?
[09:20] <Xoke2> don't think so, grub still has the same list I saw before under edgy
[09:20] <bur[n] er> Xoke2: you could chroot into your installation
[09:21] <bur[n] er> Xoke2: then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to finish it off
[09:21] <fryfrog> if /dev/sda1 doesn't have a UUID, is there a way to assign it?
[09:21] <Anomal1> brb
[09:21] <Xoke2> bur[n] er: ok, how do I chroot into it then?
[09:21] <bur[n] er> fryfrog: how did you check the uuid?
[09:21] <jrib> fryfrog: you can just use /dev/sda1 instead of the uuid.  But the command 'blkid' doesn't show a uuid for /dev/sda1?
[09:21] <tmccrary> uuidgen
[09:21] <lolman> Mount the hard disk somewhere you know where it is, then sudo chroot /foo/bar su
[09:22] <bur[n] er> Xoke2: mount it first, then chroot... ie.  sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1; sudo chroot /media/hda1 /bin/bash
[09:22] <peter77> !breakage
[09:22] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[09:22] <Xoke2> bur[n] er: OK, will try that :)  Thanks
[09:22] <finalbeta> fryfrog: if /dev/sda1 is ntfs or perhaps even FAT, you can't give it an UUID.
[09:22] <finalbeta> fryfrog: UUID's are stored in ext2/3 partition in the master block right before the journal(s)
[09:23] <fryfrog> sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda1
[09:23] <fryfrog> that returned blank
[09:23] <fryfrog> but the *other* command you gave worked
[09:23] <fryfrog> the blkid
[09:23] <fryfrog> my uuid for sda2 was wrong :)
[09:24] <thesilentw> hi, ubuntu is still not fixed right?
[09:24] <finalbeta> right
[09:25] <thesilentw> ok
[09:25] <lolman> (At least for my adapter)
[09:25] <fryfrog> stupid question:  why is -15 in my aptitude search, but doesn't get updated with dist-upgrade?
[09:25] <finalbeta> for crying out loud.
[09:25] <mc44> fryfrog: because it depends on the kernel
[09:25] <mc44> fryfrog: you said it was just l-r-m right?
[09:25] <fryfrog> oh, no sorry
[09:25] <lolman> Ooh the GB repo just got an update
[09:26] <fryfrog> linux-restricted-modules (-15) *installed*
[09:26] <fryfrog> and then, i went hunting for linux-image (-15)
[09:26] <lolman> But not the packages we need
[09:26] <fryfrog> it was there, but woudln't install with "dist-upgrade"
[09:26] <lolman> Damn :(
[09:26] <fryfrog> but installed jsut fine with "aptitude install"
[09:27] <Zambezi> lolman, fryfrog Me too. I'm looking every half hour.
[09:27] <fryfrog> Zambezi: does it show up for you too?
[09:28] <Zambezi> fryfrog, Not yet.
[09:28] <lolman> Only the linux-libc-dev and restricted modules updates show here, the others are for the dead kernel
[09:28] <fryfrog> so "sudo aptitude search linux-image" doesn't show it?
[09:29] <fryfrog> well, after an update of course
[09:29] <fryfrog> well, gonna try rebooting on the feisty box that still works
[09:30] <lolman> Strange, 15 shows on a search in aptitude here too
[09:30] <Custombrush> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.5-15.20_all.deb ??
[09:30] <lolman> I get that
[09:32] <lolman> Right am going to try the new kernel, if it fails I'll come back on this one again
[09:32] <Custombrush> ok
[09:33] <hexidigital> if i aptitude install that package, rather than upgrade or dist-upgrade, i can install it
[09:34] <kane77> hmm.. what is the lowlatency kernel good for?
[09:34] <dandispaltro> why do the fonts on my 32 bit firefox and 64 bit look different?  The 64bit looks alot better can I do something to make the 32bit look as good?
[09:36] <fignew> kane77: Audio editing
[09:36] <shirish> hi guys
[09:36] <hexidigital> bah... i'm still kicked back to busybox
[09:36] <hexidigital> although, a lot quicker this time
[09:36] <lolman> New kernel works :)
[09:36] <Custombrush> ok thx
[09:37] <Custombrush> :)
[09:37] <hylje> omg
[09:37] <lolman> BUT it hasn't hit repos yet
[09:37] <hylje> does it?
[09:37] <shirish> lolman: which new kernel, version with details plz.
[09:37] <kane77> lolman, what? where? how?
[09:37] <Custombrush> linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.20.5-15.20_all.deb ??
[09:37] <kane77> lolman, I want it too
[09:37] <hexidigital> lolman:  where'd you find it already?
[09:37] <lolman> 2.6.20-15.20
[09:38] <shirish> guys, the one which has issues is 2.6.20-14.22 or 14.23 ?
[09:38] <peter77> !breakage
[09:38] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[09:38] <lolman> 23 has issues
[09:38] <lolman> do an aptitude update then "sudo aptitude search linux-image"
[09:39] <lolman> You'll see linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic in there :)
[09:39] <lolman> So just install it manually with aptitude :)
[09:40] <lolman> You'll still get the update notifications though, since the repos still think 23 is the latest :D
[09:40] <peter77> cool, so it's up
[09:40] <lolman> The packages are there, yes
[09:41] <lolman> nvidia-glx also seems to have got an update for the new kernel, so if you need it update it with aptitude as well
[09:41] <Hidan> shirish: hey :)
[09:42] <lolman> Now...
[09:42] <peter77> lolman, u back in fiesty
[09:42] <lolman> I am, yeah
[09:42] <peter77> sweet
[09:42] <lolman> I was in feisty anyway, just with an older kernel :)
[09:42] <peter77> lol
[09:43] <shirish> hi Hidan, sorry didn't see u
[09:43] <peter77> I'm going to keep an old kernel from now on
[09:43] <lolman> 2.6.20-15 sorts it :)
[09:43] <Hidan> shirish: heh did your ubuntu break? :P
[09:43] <peter77> well, not 14 as it's broke
[09:44] <Hidan> shirish: mine hasn't yet but I am not going to restart the computer, until they've released the fixes. :p
[09:44] <shirish> Hidan: oh, it keeps on breaking, I have been having with the stable one or is something else lol :p
[09:44] <shirish> I mean the .22 one
[09:44] <Hidan> shirish: .22 one?
[09:44] <shirish> Hidan: just like the bullet lol , 2.6.20-14.22
[09:45] <Hidan> shirish: mmm mine is .20 . I wonder why I didn't get .22
[09:46] <shirish> Hidan: this one was released I think about 4-5 days ago, lemme check
[09:46] <Rytmis> So how come I'm getting nvidia-glx 9631 when it was 9755 just before? Something up with the newer driver?
[09:46] <lolman> Ooh that is a very good point
[09:47] <peter77> nothing new in the repos lolman!
[09:47] <Hidan> shirish: oh btw i sent you a memo. xD And that's strange... I never got .22 via updates.
[09:47] <dystopianray> Rytmis: 9755 is nvidia-glx-new
[09:47] <nickspoon> peter77: Install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic.
[09:47] <lolman> peter77, do what nickspoon said using aptitude :)
[09:47] <peter77> I'm using a live cd
[09:48] <nickspoon> peter77: chroot in then.
[09:48] <Hidan> what's tremulous?
[09:48] <Rytmis> dystopianray: ok. Is the matching kernel module in restricted-modules?
[09:48] <kane77> Hidan, a fps shooter :)
[09:49] <Hidan> kane77: oh i see. ^^
[09:49] <bur[n] er> it is :)
[09:49] <peter77> nickspoon, I need to install, I can't just upgrade?
[09:49] <Hidan> hmmm
[09:50] <peter77> my curent kernel is 2.6.20-14-386
[09:50] <shirish> Hidan: i saw the memo, but could not read it, maybe i need to learn more IRC
[09:50] <kane77> bur[n] er, tremulous is fun... (my nick in the game is WindowsMediaPlayer :D )
[09:50] <bur[n] er> shirish: /msg memoserv
[09:50] <Hidan> shirish: oh just type /memoserv list to list all your memos
[09:50] <bur[n] er> shirish: /memoserv
[09:50] <Hidan> shirish: and then /memoserv read <number>
[09:51] <bur[n] er> er... I wanted to try that ;)
[09:51] <bur[n] er>  /memoserv has no effect in irssi... /msg memoserv list or /msg memoserv help work well
[09:51] <Rytmis> hmm, exciting! Let's see if the new kernel boots...
[09:52] <shirish> Hidan: ok cool, read that, I am cool with that
[09:52] <hexidigital> i'm still thrown right into busybox :/
[09:52] <Stormx2> The kernel broke? :(
[09:52] <mc44> hexidigital: uname -r?
[09:52] <shirish> yup
[09:53] <kane77> Stormx2, 2.6.20-14
[09:53] <hexidigital> mc44:  2.6.20-15-386
[09:53] <Stormx2> I'm on 2.6.20-14... is that safe?
[09:53] <hexidigital> i wonder if i should install the -generic kernel?
[09:54] <lolman> Stormx2, depends which number is after 14 :)
[09:54] <Stormx2> 386
[09:54] <elubie> hexidigital: I have the 2.6.20.14-geneic BuxyBox too
[09:54] <elubie> oops, BusyBox
[09:54] <hexidigital> elubie:  i'm using the -15 kernel
[09:54] <peter77> yay Ubuntu LIVES
[09:55] <Rytmis> No dice.
[09:55] <hexidigital> peter77:  what kernel did you install?
[09:55] <hexidigital> -generic?
[09:55] <peter77> 2.6.20-15-386
[09:55] <hexidigital> ah
[09:55] <peter77> ah?
[09:55] <Rytmis> Still hangs at ata3: SATA 3.0 GB link up (or something to that tune)
[09:55] <elubie> hexidigital: unfortunately I'm pretty newbie, so I have a hard time
[09:56] <dystopianray> Rytmis: the matching kernel module is nvidia_new
[09:56] <Rytmis> dystopianray: and I suppose the name for the xorg driver is nvidia_new too?
[09:56] <Rytmis> dystopianray: largely theoretical, of course, since the updated kernel won't boot for me either.
[09:56] <dystopianray> Rytmis: I'm not really sure, i wouldn't think so
[09:56] <dystopianray> Rytmis: I'd imagine you'd just have to put nvidia_new in /etc/modules
[09:57] <gourdin>  /msg ubotu breakage
[09:57] <dystopianray> Rytmis: but still have just "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[09:57] <Rytmis> dystopianray: Ok, thanks.
[09:57] <FFIXXX> hi i was wondering which took is used in kubuntu for managing restricted drivers and codecs?
[09:57] <FFIXXX> tool
[09:57] <dystopianray> Rytmis: feisty now has a 3 nvidia drivers, the legacy ones, 96xx and 97xx, to cover as much hardware as possible
[09:58] <Rytmis> dystopianray: sounds reasonable
[09:58] <Kaplan_> how do you choose from 96xx or 97xx
[09:58] <dystopianray> Kaplan_: 97xx is nvidia-glx-new and nvidia_new kernel module
[09:59] <Stormx2> So I guess I shouldn't have update-manager update anything yet?
[09:59] <Rytmis> So, which god should I prepare sacrifices for? :)
[09:59] <soweto76> nvidia "legacy" does not show up in the Restricted Drivers Manager (I have it working anyhow)
[09:59] <dandispaltro> Can I build a 32 bit library on a 64 bit system?
[09:59] <Rytmis> Because I got the new kernel, and it's still teh bork :|
[10:00] <FFIXXX> no one here uses kununtu?
[10:00] <FFIXXX> kubuntu
[10:00] <dystopianray> dandispaltro: yes, if you have the necesary build deps
[10:00] <dystopianray> FFIXXX: I don't think there is a kubuntu restricted driver manager
[10:00] <wynd_> can I get some simple instructions to force a package to uninstall?
[10:01] <dandispaltro> okay I want to build the 32bit version of freetype
[10:01] <FFIXXX> and how do i get the codecs?
[10:01] <nickspoon> Woooooo.
[10:01] <nickspoon> generic-15 is good!
[10:01] <dandispaltro> whats the command to force a 32 bit arch.  I usually use sudo apt-get source -b libfreetype6
[10:02] <Kaplan_> do i have to uninstall anithing in order to use the new drivers?
[10:02] <askar> When my batterylevel is critical and the screen gets blank I cnnot after that use my keyoard..is that known bug?
[10:02] <elubie> Is there anyone who can help me getting my system running again: the 2.6.20.14-generic hangs in BusyBox, I could still boot the 2.6.20.13-generic, but xserver is not starting, so right now I'm in 'recovery' mode on the console.
[10:02] <kane77> elubie, what graphic card do you use?
[10:03] <nickspoon> elubie: sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[10:03] <Kaplan_> i'm ugrading to the new kernell at the moment
[10:04] <elubie> kane77: nvidia Quadro FX1500
[10:04] <elubie> nickspoon: thanks, will try that
[10:04] <nickspoon> Now, to get rid of 11-generic and 12-generic.
[10:05] <kane77> elubie, you can go for the new kernel, although I'm still waiting to have it officially in update manager
[10:05] <tehkain> i would keep it incase
[10:05] <nickspoon> tehkain: I still have 13-generic.
[10:05] <tehkain> ah ok
[10:07] <Chetwin> How come I'm getting a 403 forbidden error when trying to update the newest kernel ??:?
[10:07] <elubie> nickspoon: couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic" Is that name correct?
[10:07] <tehkain> 14.23?
[10:08] <nickspoon> Chetwin: That's good.
[10:08] <kane77> Chetwin, -14 kernel?
[10:08] <Chetwin> nickspoon: explain
[10:08] <Chetwin> yes
[10:08] <Chetwin> 14
[10:08] <kane77> Chetwin, read topic
[10:08] <tehkain> Chetwin: the kernel was messing with sata
[10:08] <nickspoon> elubie: You'll have to sudo aptitude update if you haven't already.
[10:08] <Chetwin> ouch
[10:08] <soweto76> apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[10:08] <Chetwin> Okay
[10:09] <Chetwin> I did all other updates except for kernel
[10:09] <Chetwin> I'll be okay when I reboot right?
[10:09] <nickspoon> Yeah.
[10:09] <Zambezi> I got one packages now, but I'm not sure it was for the kernel.
[10:09] <elubie> nickspoon ahh, thanks (I'm still newbie, so sorry for asking stupid questions)
[10:09] <Chetwin> thank god
[10:09] <kane77> Chetwin, be glad you didnt update kernel :)
[10:09] <Chetwin> I am now, thanks guys.  I'll start reading into the topic more often
[10:09] <nickspoon> If you want a new kernel, update your package list and install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic.
[10:10] <Zambezi> nickspoon, I'm using server, but I just replace server and generetic.
[10:10] <nickspoon> Zambezi: Yep.
[10:11] <hexidigital> hmm
[10:11] <hexidigital> now i get an error... "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init"
[10:11] <elubie> arg, I'm on de.archive.ubuntu.com, probably isn't updated yet?
[10:12] <hexidigital> however, my SATA is fixed :)
[10:12] <nickspoon> elubie: I'm on uk.archive.ubuntu.com, and mine is fine.
[10:12] <nickspoon> Still having problems?
[10:13] <elubie> nickspoon: yes, still not working
[10:13] <nickspoon> elubie: Have you run 'sudo aptitude update'?
[10:13] <elubie> apt-cache show says No packages found
[10:13] <elubie> nickspoon: yep, ran it twice
[10:14] <nickspoon> elubie: Odd... maybe de. hasn't updated yet.
[10:14] <elubie> nickspoon: that's what I guessed.
[10:15] <llutz> german thoroughness always needs some more time ... :)
[10:15] <nickspoon> elubie: Best bet is to wait then :)
[10:15] <Kaplan_> i'm installing the new nvidia drivers
[10:15] <Kaplan_> rebooting in a minute or so to see what happens
[10:16] <mc44> upgrade manager stll doesnt see the new kernel, presuambly the meta package hasnt been uploaded yet
[10:16] <zPacKRat> what was broken by the update?
[10:16] <Zambezi> The new kernel is stuck again at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local).
[10:16] <zPacKRat> oh
[10:17] <tehkain> zPacKrat, the 14.23 kernel was conflicting with many sata controlers it seems
[10:22] <Kaplan_> just upgraded to 2.6.20-14.23
[10:23] <zPacKRat> and
[10:23] <Kaplan_> new nvidia driver up and running
[10:23] <Kaplan_> everything is working fine
[10:24] <lolman> 23 is the kernel that is dead for a lot of people, some wont be
[10:24] <Rytmis> Ok, this is decidedly not fun. I'm not too keen on seeing a VESA-only xorg on my 21" CRT :P
[10:24] <Kaplan_> is this the new kernel you all were talking abput?
[10:24] <tehkain> Kaplan_, its an issue for some sata controllers
[10:24] <Kaplan_> what do you mean by dead to a lot of people
[10:24] <Rytmis> Dead as in "won't boot," perhaps.
[10:24] <crdlb> as in it doesn't boot
[10:25] <hylje> hm
[10:25] <Kaplan_> oh i see
[10:25] <hylje> how would i prevent the computer from going into standby
[10:25] <Kaplan_> there will be a new update soon then
[10:25] <hylje> without messing with the settings
[10:25] <finalbeta> move the mouse
[10:25] <Kaplan_> they can always log on to the previous kernel
[10:25] <hylje> that is not really feasible when i'm not around
[10:26] <finalbeta> system - preferences - power management
[10:26] <hylje> yeah -- i'd prefer to do it just this time and not forget it there
[10:27] <lolman> Whip open Tomboy and make a note? :D
[10:27] <tehkain> kaplan_, many of the people had nvidia setting and encounter xorg issues when they loaded their 12 kernel
[10:27] <finalbeta> hylje: or get one of these : http://papercuts.tscpl.org/waterbird.jpg
[10:27] <Kaplan_> they should kill gdm and edit xorg.conf
[10:27] <finalbeta> make it hit space all the time
[10:27] <kane77> tehkain, this can easily be fixed by reconfiguring xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia
[10:27] <Kaplan_> replace nvidia with nv
[10:28] <hylje> finalbeta: now that's silly
[10:28] <jimmygoon> I am receiving a 403 Forbidden error when I try to update/upgrade/dist-upgrade.... any thoughts?
[10:28] <Kaplan_> that way it will boot
[10:28] <tehkain> kaplan_, that sint the issue. they could have just messed with grub and changed it to their bak kernel but not everyone can do that
[10:28] <elubie> I'm just installing the 2.6.20-15-generic, wish me luck ;)
[10:28] <finalbeta> hylje: it worked for Homer Simpson... Until the nuclear reactor overheated and vented fumes in a corn field.
[10:28] <finalbeta> Just don't make it do your work...
[10:29] <tehkain> jimmygoon, the 14.23 kernel is locked
[10:29] <llutz> elubie: from de.-repo?
[10:30] <elubie> llutz: nope, changed to uk repo temporarily
[10:30] <llutz> ah k
[10:32] <elubie> eek, now I still got the xserver start problem, probably due to borked nvidia driver update
[10:32] <kane77> elubie, reconfigure xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia
[10:33] <elubie> kane77: is there no other way? the nvidia worked nicely yesterday
[10:34] <llutz> elubie: it's in the .de too now
[10:34] <kane77> elubie, I'm realy not sure, there should be restricted drivers...
[10:37] <hexidigital> i'm an idiot
[10:37] <hexidigital> i think i know why i have no /sbin/init
[10:37] <hexidigital> i deinstalled ubuntu-minimal, thinking it was a gnome package
[10:38] <hexidigital> i am so stupid
[10:41] <mc44> ooh kernel has arrived in my -updates :)
[10:42] <dandispaltro> nice me 2
[10:42] <hexidigital> 15.14?
[10:42] <hexidigital> er
[10:42] <hexidigital> wrong chan
[10:42] <Naddiseo[zzz] > hey TheSilentW
[10:42] <TheSilentW> hi
[10:43] <TheSilentW> read my mail
[10:43] <Naddiseo[zzz] > not yet, just got back home
[10:43] <TheSilentW> read it now!!
[10:43] <TheSilentW> wait...
[10:43] <TheSilentW> no
[10:43] <TheSilentW> read the title
[10:43] <TheSilentW> of this channel
[10:43] <hexidigital> mc44:  nice
[10:43] <Naddiseo[zzz] > meh, too late TheSilentW
[10:43] <Naddiseo[zzz] > I'll just not reboot
[10:43] <TheSilentW> LOL
[10:44] <TheSilentW> am on windows
[10:44] <TheSilentW> it mess up my vista boot too
[10:44] <Naddiseo[zzz] > eew, someone kick him
[10:44] <TheSilentW> lol
[10:44] <TheSilentW> nad, you were right ><
[10:44] <TheSilentW> windows sux compared to ubuntu
[10:44] <Naddiseo[zzz] > :p
[10:45] <Naddiseo[zzz] > Now I just have to convert mute
[10:45] <Naddiseo[zzz] > he has it installed, he just doesn't like the feel of it
[10:45] <TheSilentW> was trying to do control+alt+button 1 and go to the side to change desktop, tryed that like 3 times before remembering i was on windows ><
[10:45] <Naddiseo[zzz] > or the look, then again he's using dapper
[10:45] <Naddiseo[zzz] > lol
[10:46] <TheSilentW> nad, about kde
[10:46] <Naddiseo[zzz] > Mm, I should try kubuntu and xubuntu
[10:46] <TheSilentW> its same as gnome wat changes
[10:46] <TheSilentW> or *
[10:46] <Naddiseo[zzz] > It's just a different window manager
[10:46] <Naddiseo[zzz] > methinks
[10:46] <TheSilentW> well... lots of apps only work with kde
[10:46] <Naddiseo[zzz] > !ubotu kde
[10:46] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[10:46] <TheSilentW> :(
[10:47] <Naddiseo[zzz] > TheSilentW, do you have the kde libs installed?
[10:47] <TheSilentW> isnt there a wine for kde?
[10:47] <TheSilentW> no
[10:47] <TheSilentW> should i?
[10:47] <Naddiseo[zzz] > I think so
[10:47] <TheSilentW> why
[10:48] <Naddiseo[zzz] > I dunno, someone else here should though :p
[10:48] <TheSilentW> makes kde stuff work on gnome?
[10:48] <Naddiseo> yeah
[10:48] <TheSilentW> hmm
[10:49] <tehkain> what kde app are you trying to get in gnome?
[10:49] <TheSilentW> sudo apt-get kdelibs
[10:49] <TheSilentW> haa nvm, windows doesnt have that
[10:50] <TheSilentW> i should find a windows based console that lets me aptget
[10:50] <TheSilentW> tehkain
[10:50] <TheSilentW> amarok
[10:50] <TheSilentW> for example
[10:50] <tehkain> armok works
[10:50] <tehkain> gah amarok
[10:51] <TheSilentW> in my system, crash, crash, crash, no crash until hit play, crash crash
[10:51] <TheVault> Does anyone in here care to help me get wireless working with Ndiswrapper & WPA. I told told the drivers that come with BCM43xx only allow up to 11mb of traffic, as if you use Ndiswrapper and configure it that way, you get the full 54mb
[10:52] <TheVault> *was told that
[10:52] <macogw> anyone else lose window borders on beryl and compiz today?
[10:52] <zPacKRat> lost them about a week ago, a restart fixed the boarders
[10:53] <tehkain> TheSilentW, do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:53] <voidmage> So is the kernel fixed yet?
[10:53] <mc44> voidmage: see topic :)
[10:54] <TheVault> voidmage: Guess not. I have 1 update left but it just says 403 forbidden when I try to install
[10:54] <mc44> TheVault: it should be
[10:54] <tehkain> voidmage, the new 15 kernel is out but not for update manager
[10:54] <Naddiseo> TheSilentW_, are you on ubuntu now?
[10:54] <TheSilentW_> no
[10:54] <TheSilentW_> windows
[10:54] <Naddiseo> ah
[10:54] <TheVault> Does anyone in here care to help me with Ndiswrapper?
[10:54] <TheSilentW_> why
[10:54] <TheSilentW_> ubuntu doesnt load
[10:54] <mon^rch> macogw: i hve "corners only" with compiz+emerald...
[10:55] <Naddiseo> "TheSilentW, do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?"
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> no
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> gnome
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> normal one
[10:55] <Naddiseo> it's a package
[10:55] <macogw> mon^rch: i usually have corners only on compiz
[10:55] <Naddiseo> I think
[10:55] <macogw> grk-window-decorator --replace worked
[10:55] <macogw> on beryl
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> nad, testing aptana on windows
[10:55] <Naddiseo> k
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> seems kinda odd
[10:55] <macogw> emerald didnt
[10:55] <TheSilentW_> i hit tab and it doesnt complete
[10:56] <TheSilentW_> maybe its a diferent key
[10:56] <Naddiseo> lol
[10:56] <TheSilentW_> btw, just did my first hand typed <style type="text/css">
[10:57] <TheSilentW_> if u know exactly wat to type, aptana makes it ALOT faster
[10:57] <TheSilentW_> seems a bit like visual studio 2005 on visual basic .net mode
[10:57] <Naddiseo> lol, I always type my code
[10:57] <TheSilentW_> 4 letters and 4 tabs and u get a line done
[10:58] <Naddiseo> TheSilentW_, you can boot into ubuntu with a different kernel I think
[10:58] <Naddiseo> from grub
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> yeah
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> but doesnt have x server
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> only for updates
[10:58] <Naddiseo> then upgrade/update again
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> did
[10:58] <Naddiseo> edit xorg.conf?
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> nah
[10:58] <TheSilentW_> will wait until its fixed
[10:59] <Naddiseo> reinstall :p
[10:59] <TheSilentW_> cause i got it configured with alot of efford!
[10:59] <Naddiseo> I do just about every other week
[10:59] <TheSilentW_> i have it expectacular now
[10:59] <TheSilentW_> not gona format yet
[10:59] <Zambezi> The packages just arrived to Swedens mirror.
[10:59] <Naddiseo> lol
[10:59] <TheSilentW_> cause i dont even know what i have
[10:59] <Naddiseo> I want to get rid of my windows drive
[11:00] <Naddiseo> but I've never been able to get wine working properly
[11:00] <TheSilentW_> never used that
[11:00] <Naddiseo> Hmm, update manager just crashed..
[11:00] <Naddiseo> trying to generate the grub list
[11:00] <Naddiseo> wonder if it's because I have grub 2
[11:01] <Kaplan_> how do i install java on feisty
[11:01] <Kaplan_> i'm trying to install a java app and it says no jvm installed
[11:02] <Naddiseo> !ubotu java
[11:02] <nickspoon> With a bit of wizardry.
[11:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[11:02] <Naddiseo> I got it working ok..
[11:02] <Kaplan_> i'm on feisty
[11:02] <TheSilentW_> i need to downgrade to java5
[11:02] <TheSilentW_> on windows i do format c:
[11:02] <ryanakca> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic 2.6.20-14.23
[11:02] <ryanakca>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] 
[11:03] <ryanakca> today's upgrade...
[11:03] <TheSilentW_> yup
[11:03] <TheSilentW_> wait a bit
[11:03] <TheSilentW_> while its fixed
[11:03] <elubie> is the latest nvidia binary driver broken? I can't get it to run today, even though it worked fine yesterday
[11:03] <kane77> dont people read topics?
[11:03] <TheSilentW_> elubie yup
[11:03] <TheSilentW_> same problem
[11:04] <elubie> TheSilenntW_: thanks, I'm using nv in the meantime, hoping for update sonn
[11:04] <TheSilentW_> me too
[11:04] <TheSilentW_> i am on windows
[11:04] <Kaplan_> java help please
[11:04] <TheSilentW_> need to get off this as quickly as possible
[11:04] <macogw> Kaplan_: ?
[11:05] <TheSilentW_> my brain is frying
[11:05] <tmccrary> Don't ask to ask ;)
[11:05] <Tog> lol
[11:05] <Kaplan_> i need java to install an app
[11:05] <tmccrary> Did you install java like the bot said?
[11:05] <ryanakca> ok...
[11:05] <Kaplan_> i have java on FF
[11:05] <Naddiseo> Kaplan_, java -jar <filename>
[11:05] <tmccrary> Kaplan, what java app are you trying to install?
[11:05] <Kaplan_> i can't find it in the repos
[11:06] <ryanakca> do you have universe/multiverse enabled?
[11:06] <Kaplan_> yep
[11:06] <macogw> Kaplan_: sun-java6-bin
[11:06] <macogw> it is
[11:06] <macogw> i reinstalled it today
[11:06] <tmccrary> Again, what app are you trying to install?
[11:07] <TheSilentW_> when the repos of either pt or normal are updated can anyone say? need to fix my ubuntu :)
[11:07] <ryanakca> lol
[11:07] <kbrooks> Friday the 13th is somehow real.
[11:07] <TheSilentW_> yup
[11:07] <macogw> because javac was (stupidly) linking to ecj which was (stupidly) linking to gcj which (stupidly) meant that with java6 installed i couldnt run anything newer than java 1.4 apps
[11:07] <ryanakca> my upgrade stopped at the 403
[11:07] <usher_> ryanakca: Same here
[11:08] <ryanakca> kbrooks: well, I fear the 13th just as I fear vi
[11:08] <mc44> ryanakca: it should be updated now, maybe the mirrors are slow
[11:08] <tmccrary> macogw: use update-alternatives to set the current jvm
[11:09] <ryanakca> mc44: I use http://archive.ubuntu.com ... so it shouldn't be because of syncing problems...
[11:09] <mon^rch> can I control volume from the command line?
[11:09] <mc44> ryanakca: apt-get update?
[11:10] <tmccrary> monarch: alsa-mixer
[11:10] <usher_> mc44: ive heard apt get updates are very bad
[11:10] <ryanakca> mc44: did that... I have `alias apt-upgrade="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"` in my .bashrc :)
[11:10] <ryanakca> usher_: and why is that?
[11:10] <mc44> usher_: for upgrading to a new distro, yes
[11:10] <mc44> otherwise no
[11:11] <ryanakca> usher_: that's what synaptic and adept and aptitude do...
[11:11] <TheSilentW_> mc44, so, when the fix is on the repos, what command i run ?
[11:11] <mc44> TheSilentW_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[11:12] <TheSilentW_> no distro?
[11:12] <fryfrog> okay so I have a "pata_amd" module system that is getting an "n_sectors mismatch" error that i saw someone talking about
[11:12] <fryfrog> way earlier
[11:12] <ryanakca> TheSilentW_: still the same problem...
[11:12] <mc44> fryfrog: have you upgraded to the new kernel?
[11:12] <fryfrog> does anyone know what could be causing that?
[11:12] <fryfrog> yeah, this is on 2.6.20-15-generic
[11:13] <Kaplan_> i'm installing it now
[11:13] <mc44> fryfrog: -15 isnt booting for you?
[11:13] <fryfrog> ryanakca: that error is from the *new* kernel
[11:13] <fryfrog> mc44: yes, that is correct.  and *oddly* the -14 was working
[11:14] <ryanakca> wow...
[11:14] <ryanakca> scary... isn't feisty in kernel freeze?
[11:14] <mc44> fryfrog: you were in here earlier saying -1 wasnt working I thought
[11:14] <mc44> *14
[11:14] <mc44> ryanakca: it was meant to be :)
[11:14] <fryfrog> mc44: sorry, hang on
[11:14] <fryfrog> okay, i have like 4 ubuntu systems or so :)
[11:14] <fryfrog> i got the crapped out *server* that was failing on -14 working
[11:15] <ryanakca> mc44: yeah... 8 days ago
[11:15] <mc44> fryfrog: so the -15 isnt booting on a different machine
[11:15] <kane77> ryanakca, but I guess that is vital and needs to be fixed...
[11:15] <fryfrog> now, the *other* system that was on -14 is failing and updating to -15 isn't fixing it
[11:15] <fryfrog> right, that is correct
[11:15] <mc44> fryfrog: can you boot into 14 on it?
[11:15] <fryfrog> no, that is failing now too
[11:15] <ryanakca> I'm running 2.6.20-14-generic...
[11:15] <mc44> fryfrog: what about older than 14?
[11:15] <fryfrog> but it *might* be because i snagged a -14 update in the last day
[11:16] <ryanakca> no problem... boots fine
[11:16] <fryfrog> mc44: i don't have one, i can boot to the gentoo cd i have and chroot in and install one if you have a suggestion on which version
[11:16] <fryfrog> i *though* i saw something about a kernel arg to ignore "hpa"
[11:16] <fryfrog> and that is what seems to be causing the problem
[11:17] <fryfrog> like ... "pata_hpa_ignore=1" or something?
[11:17] <Kaplan_> do i need to unistall java 5?
[11:17] <kane77> oh well, I'm sticking with 13
[11:17] <mc44> kane77: -15 didnt work for you?
[11:18] <kane77> mc44, havent tried yet...
[11:18] <kane77> mc44, i'll try tomorow.. i'm too tired
[11:18] <mc44> :)
[11:19] <mc44> fryfrog: if you remove kernela arguments it works?
[11:19] <fryfrog> what kernel args?
[11:19] <fryfrog> i haven't added anything
[11:19] <fryfrog> it just has quiet and...
[11:19] <kane77> and dont forget that (in my timezone) it's still firday 13th for at least 40 minutes
[11:20] <mc44> fryfrog: sorry I thought you said you added some
[11:20] <fryfrog> mc44: oh, no i just throught i saw one discussed here or in #ubuntu-devel
[11:20] <fryfrog> are the channels logged to ayplace searchable?
[11:20] <mc44> !logs | fryfrog
[11:20] <ubotu> fryfrog: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:21] <Gambaroni> When I try to install ubuntu using PXE and netboot.tar.gz it says when I would create my partitions that there's no root file system and no partitions, I could either create partitions. Win XP is installed.
[11:22] <mc44> fryfrog: try in #ubuntu-kernel maybe
[11:22] <TSWoodV_> Anyone else see a problem with the US repo and a linux-image update currently?
[11:22] <kane77> TSWoodV_, read topic
[11:22] <TSWoodV_> Thanks!
[11:22] <Naddiseo> Odd, grub isn't detecting .6.20-15
[11:23] <macogw> tmccrary: the thing is, i did do that for java, and it didnt work.  turns out javac has to be done separately from java, which nowhere on the interwebs told me, but the ladies of linuxchix, after walking me through finding the simlinks could tell me
[11:24] <TheSilentW_> nad
[11:24] <TheSilentW_> gona restart pc and try update ubuntu
[11:24] <Naddiseo> k
[11:24] <TheSilentW_> lets hope it doesnt continue crazy
[11:24] <tmccrary> yeah, you have to use it for java, javac, javaws or whatever
[11:24] <DanaG> oh, update-alternatives
[11:24] <DanaG> install galternatives.
[11:24] <tmccrary> the whole update-alternatives thing is just retarded
[11:25] <Kaplan_> i'm installing java
[11:26] <Kaplan_> what problems are you talking about
[11:27] <sabi> After updating to 2.6.20-15, update manager insists 1 update remains, 2.6.20-14.22 to 2.6.20-14.23, how do i get rid of this pending update?
[11:30] <AmyRose> Well, I'm downloading the update
[11:30] <DanaG> The list of changes is not available yet.
[11:30] <DanaG> Please try again later.
[11:30] <DanaG> Is there a changelog somewhere?
[11:32] <sabi> can anyone tell me how to get rid of the "update from hell" ?
[11:32] <DShepherd> sabi pray?
[11:33] <sabi> tried that, no joy ....
[11:33] <mc44> sabi: apt-get update and upgrade :)
[11:33] <Seveas> sabi, /topic
[11:33] <Seveas> :p
[11:33] <Seveas> kernel updates come from hell today
[11:33] <kane77> amen
[11:33] <DanaG> Okay, there's a new kernel.... but where can I find a changelog?  I always like to read changelogs first.
[11:34] <thesilentw> nad
[11:35] <thesilentw> guess wat
[11:35] <Naddiseo> it workeD?
[11:35] <thesilentw> on windows again
[11:35] <Naddiseo> -_-
[11:35] <thesilentw> didnt work
[11:35] <thesilentw> grub is still on 14
[11:35] <thesilentw> i think thats why
[11:35] <Naddiseo> Yeah, mine is too
[11:35] <Naddiseo> go into command line
[11:35] <Naddiseo> and edit lol
[11:35] <thesilentw> how change?
[11:35] <Naddiseo> grub command line
[11:35] <thesilentw> ok
[11:35] <thesilentw> gona boot up it
[11:35] <Naddiseo> I'm going to try it soon
[11:35] <thesilentw> i am on laptop so
[11:36] <thesilentw> i test it for ya
[11:36] <thesilentw> xD
[11:37] <Gambaroni> When I try to install ubuntu using PXE and netboot.tar.gz it says when I would create my partitions that there's no root file system and no partitions, I could either create partitions. Win XP is installed.
[11:37] <jdong> !breakage
[11:37] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[11:37] <sabi> well, no answer, forced back to windows, until the release
[11:37] <thesilentw> ok
[11:37] <thesilentw> nad
[11:38] <thesilentw> walk me
[11:38] <thesilentw> ok?
[11:38] <Naddiseo> are you in grub command line?
[11:38] <thesilentw> naddiseo
[11:38] <thesilentw> no
[11:38] <thesilentw> on normal console
[11:38] <Naddiseo> err..
[11:38] <thesilentw> ubuntu without x server
[11:38] <Naddiseo> k, login
[11:38] <thesilentw> yeah
[11:38] <thesilentw> continue
[11:38] <Naddiseo> and sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:39] <thesilentw> ok
[11:39] <thesilentw> now wat
[11:39] <Naddiseo> scroll down to the bottom
[11:39] <Kaplan_> java trouble
[11:39] <Naddiseo> you should see a list of your current kernels
[11:39] <thesilentw> yeah
[11:39] <Kaplan_> i just installed a java app
[11:39] <thesilentw> i have this mixed up ~let me search
[11:40] <Kaplan_> it wont run caus i'm not runing the right java installed
[11:40] <Kaplan_> i have java 6
[11:40] <Kaplan_> help please
[11:40] <thesilentw> yeah, kernel 14 and stuff
[11:40] <thesilentw> now?
[11:41] <kane77> AmyRose, why?
[11:41] <Naddiseo> k, basically, copy the 14 section but change everything to 15
[11:41] <Naddiseo> the ctrl+o and ctrl+c
[11:41] <Naddiseo> then*
[11:41] <thesilentw> cant i replace?
[11:41] <Naddiseo> and then reboot
[11:41] <Naddiseo> Mm, sure
[11:41] <Naddiseo> ll
[11:41] <thesilentw> cause...14 doesnt work anyways
[11:41] <Naddiseo> but then you wont be able to boot into 14 if you need
[11:41] <Naddiseo> k
[11:41] <Naddiseo> I'm in 14 atm..
[11:42] <thesilentw> its 15 or 16
[11:42] <Naddiseo> you need 15 I think
[11:42] <thesilentw> ok
[11:42] <Kaplan_> help please
[11:42] <meal3837> !breakage
[11:42] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[11:43] <Kaplan_> java trouble here
[11:43] <AmyRose> thanks, meal3837... Ubotu is ignoring me
[11:43] <Naddiseo> Kaplan_, what are you trying to run?
[11:43] <thesilentw> nadd error 15 file not found
[11:43] <Kaplan_> it is a java aplication
[11:43] <thesilentw> xD
[11:43] <Kaplan_> it's a portuguese app
[11:44] <Naddiseo> Mm, do you have it installed thesilentw
[11:44] <thesilentw> ola!
[11:44] <Naddiseo> lol
[11:44] <thesilentw> nad,
[11:44] <thesilentw> yeah
[11:44] <Naddiseo> I knew you'd say that
[11:44] <thesilentw> and new drivers for nvidia
[11:44] <Naddiseo> thesilentw, ls -l /boot
[11:44] <kane77> Kaplan_, you may update-alternatives --config java
[11:44] <wm_eddie> Man how long can it take to burn a DVD stupid iMac
[11:44] <Naddiseo> is the 15 there
[11:44] <thesilentw> kaplan tuga?
[11:44] <AmyRose> This is weird--It says it affects SATA drives, but I have PATA in my computers
[11:44] <Kaplan_> *+        3    /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[11:45] <Kaplan_> i think  i'm running it fine
[11:45] <Kaplan_> yep TUGA HERE
[11:45] <thesilentw> nad on the 14 command line ?
[11:45] <nickspoon> AmyRose: PATA breaks too.
[11:45] <kane77> Kaplan_, so you need java5? or java6?
[11:45] <thesilentw> nad on the 14 command line ?
[11:45] <Naddiseo> I don't understand.
[11:45] <Kaplan_> java 6 is fine for the app
[11:45] <thesilentw> 12 i mean
[11:46] <thesilentw> xD
[11:46] <kane77> Kaplan_, what is the problem then?
[11:46] <Kaplan_> the app says i don't have java installed
[11:46] <Kaplan_> stupid app
[11:46] <Naddiseo> thesilentw, have you exited nano?
[11:46] <Naddiseo> oh, wait
[11:46] <Naddiseo> any command line
[11:46] <thesilentw> nad, no 15 here
[11:46] <Naddiseo> just need to be logged in
[11:47] <Naddiseo> then do a ls -l /boot
[11:47] <Kaplan_> ha aqui mais tugas?
[11:47] <thesilentw> i found my way
[11:47] <thesilentw> nad, with that
[11:47] <thesilentw> i dont find a 15
[11:47] <thesilentw> just 14 and 12
[11:47] <Naddiseo> don't copy/.paste :p
[11:47] <Naddiseo> ah, that means it's not installed
[11:47] <thesilentw> i get that far
[11:47] <thesilentw> xD
[11:47] <thesilentw> ok
[11:47] <thesilentw> so
[11:47] <Naddiseo> sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude update
[11:47] <thesilentw> next move
[11:47] <Naddiseo> upgrade*
[11:48] <Naddiseo> for the second one
[11:48] <Kaplan_> the app says i'm not using the right jvm
[11:48] <Kaplan_> it should work with 1.6 or higher
[11:48] <thesilentw> nad
[11:48] <thesilentw> updated 0 files
[11:48] <thesilentw> xD
[11:48] <Naddiseo> hmm, what repos are you using?
[11:48] <thesilentw> hmm some
[11:48] <Naddiseo> the portuguese one?
[11:49] <thesilentw> how u see?
[11:49] <nickspoon> Goodnight!
[11:49] <thesilentw> yeah
[11:49] <thesilentw> pt one and plus others
[11:49] <thesilentw> whats the path to the file?
[11:49] <macogw> if i want to modify a driver so it has a bunch of print statements for debugging, i'd want to do the one in /lib/modules not the one in /usr/src right?
[11:49] <Naddiseo> err, I think it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:49] <Naddiseo> Change them to the general one
[11:49] <Naddiseo> or the us one
[11:50] <thesilentw> ok
[11:50] <gils> ok so i got the new kernel but the repos are still trying to give me the old one. what am i missing here?
[11:50] <meal3837> i think they just haven't gotten around to taking it off yet
[11:50] <meal3837> you mean the one with the 403 error?
[11:51] <Kaplan_> so can i do
[11:51] <Kaplan_> about java
[11:51] <thesilentw> nad
[11:51] <thesilentw> whats the general one
[11:51] <Naddiseo> let me see
[11:51] <thesilentw> http:\\archive.ubuntu or http:\\us.archive bla bla
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> thesilentw: those should be forward slashes
[11:52] <Naddiseo> archive
[11:52] <thesilentw> just example
[11:52] <Naddiseo> I think
[11:52] <macogw> archive is usual
[11:53] <thesilentw> ok, updating aptitude
[11:53] <thesilentw> lets see
[11:54] <thesilentw> done
[11:54] <thesilentw> still no 15
[11:54] <thesilentw> i think the sweeden one has it
[11:54] <thesilentw> someone sayed it
[11:54] <DanaG> I see no changelog for -15.
[11:54] <thesilentw> dont remember who tho
[11:55] <crimsun> DanaG: that's "unpossible".
[11:55] <thesilentw> with M
[11:55] <Kaplan_> this jav thing is really strange
[11:55] <macogw> mine's still 14
[11:55] <DanaG> At least, not in advance on the changelogs server.
[11:55] <DanaG> The list of changes is not available yet.
[11:55] <DanaG> Please try again later.
[11:55] <Kaplan_> if the program installed it should work
[11:56] <thesilentw> crimsun where is 15
[11:56] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008507.html
[11:56] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/008515.html
[11:56] <crimsun> the former is -15.24
[11:56] <crimsun> the latter, -15.25
[11:56] <thesilentw> what repos
[11:56] <crimsun> archive.uc
[11:56] <thesilentw> are then on
[11:57] <crimsun> -15.24 is clearly available
[11:57] <thesilentw> full path can u give ?
[11:57] <shirish> crimsun: how do I find out if I am running -15.25 or -15.24
[11:57] <DanaG> !kvm
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <crimsun> shirish: cat /proc/version_signature
[11:57] <DanaG> how do you use it?
[11:57] <thesilentw> crimsun, whats the full path of that repo ?
[11:58] <crimsun> thesilentw: just update and dist-upgrade if you use archive.ubuntu.com as your apt source.
[11:58] <DanaG> Aah, thanks. Now I'll install -15.
[11:58] <shirish> ok -15.24 here without issues
[11:58] <Kaplan_> i still have java 5 installed
[11:58] <Kaplan_> may that be the issue?
[11:58] <crimsun> -15.24 is still broken for some people
[11:59] <shirish> for me -14 was also good, just was not getting the desktop
[11:59] <DanaG> Hmm, how can I get apt to prioritize one mirror over another?
[12:00] <comhack>  Hello all I just installed Ubuntu Feisty and for some reason my sound is low but all the sliders in sound applet and alsamixer are all high
[12:00] <DanaG> My school's LUG has a local mirror (at least 100 megabit ethernet), but it's sometimes out of date.
[12:00] <thesilentw> downloading 15 thx mate
[12:00] <shirish> however that was -14.22 not the -14.23 which i think caused all the ruckus
[12:00] <DanaG> Yet apt chooses to use the slower us.archive.ubuntu.com.
[12:00] <assasukasse> so, do we have the release candidate? :D
[12:00] <joshua_> comhack, does your system have multiple sound cards?
[12:00] <comhack> I have a hda intel
[12:00] <comhack> yeah
[12:00] <comhack> hda intel and realtech
[12:00] <comhack> err realtek
[12:01] <comhack> an oss and alsa one    hda-intel is alsa which is what it should be
[12:01] <crimsun> download http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh, run bash ./alsa-info.sh --with-all, and give me the pastebin url
[12:01] <joshua_> I'm not quite understanding what you're saying
[12:01] <joshua_> do you have two physical sound cards in your system?
[12:01] <macogw> aptitude upgrade says headers and l-r-m-generic are being held back but linux-generic, source, and l-r-m-common are coming through
[12:01] <comhack> ok
[12:01] <comhack> no
[12:01] <Kaplan_> install java help
[12:01] <comhack> only one  a laptop
[12:01] <joshua_> okay
[12:01] <comhack> its the hda-intel not a realtek
[12:02] <shirish> anybody knows when the RC is going to be hit?
[12:02] <macogw> comhack: you should be using only alsa and not oss
[12:02] <comhack> yeah I am
[12:02] <joshua_> and when you use the alsa drivers, and you type "alsamixer" at a shell, both bars that are displayed read "100"?
[12:02] <comhack> already done that
[12:02] <comhack> first thing I did
[12:02] <comhack> excdept for mic of course
[12:02] <crimsun> comhack: realtek manufactures codecs, and I'm willing to bet your codec is a Realtek 8xx
[12:03] <Kaplan_> how can i run a java app
[12:03] <comhack> other versions of ubuntu saw it as a hda-intel
[12:03] <crimsun> comhack: again, I need the alsa-info.sh output pastebinned before I can continue
[12:03] <Kaplan_> from console
[12:03] <comhack> ok
[12:03] <Stormx2> -15.24? I only see -14...
[12:03] <joshua_> sorry, this did work in other versions of ubuntu?
[12:03] <crimsun> Stormx2: update and dist-upgrade. Or wait for -15.25.
[12:03] <Stormx2> Do I have to install that, then the next one?
[12:03] <macogw> Kaplan_: type java then the name of it
[12:03] <macogw> if its a .jar
[12:04] <macogw> then java -jar whatever.jar
[12:04] <macogw> while in the directory where it's saved
[12:04] <Gambaroni> When I try to install ubuntu using PXE and netboot.tar.gz it says when I would create my partitions that there's no root file system and no partitions, I could either create partitions. Win XP is installed.
[12:04] <shirish> crimsun: the alsa-info.sh is that a script you created or what?
[12:04] <joshua_> hm, where can I download just the Ubuntu patches? I would like to try to build a -mm kernel from git so that I can do some hacking on sony_laptop
[12:04] <Kaplan_> no go here
[12:04] <crimsun> shirish: I've provided feedback for it, but it's not my work. It's based on work that I did.
[12:04] <comhack>  http://pastebin.ca/438862
[12:04] <macogw> Gambaroni: well its one big drive with no partitions, right?  and windows doesnt have a root file system, right?
[12:05] <Stormx2> crimsun: I still only see -14 on the list of packages to be installed. Could it be because I'm on the gb mirrors?
[12:05] <shirish> so from where we can get this alsa-info.sh is it there on the repo. or some site?
[12:05] <crimsun> Stormx2: yes.
[12:05] <shirish> Stormx2: yup
[12:05] <crimsun> shirish: see the above url I gave.
[12:05] <Gambaroni> macogw it is one big drive, yes, it has partitions, almost 2. 1 for windows and the other for documents.
[12:06] <comhack> crimsun here is the output http://pastebin.ca/438862
[12:06] <crimsun> comhack: I've already committed a fix for that problem, but it's not in a kernel yet.
[12:06] <comhack> ok thanks
[12:06] <macogw> Gambaroni: are they both formatted NTFS?
[12:06] <comhack> but until then is there another route to fix it
[12:06] <macogw> cuz sometimes partitioners get weird with NTFS
[12:07] <crimsun> comhack: wait a tick.
[12:07] <DanaG> Any idea about the mirror prioritizing?
[12:07] <arejay> How do i pin packages so there not upgraded during apt-get update
[12:07] <arejay> ?
[12:07] <comhack> so wait for the fix
[12:07] <thesilentw> naddiseo
[12:07] <macogw> comhack: i have that card
[12:07] <macogw> well, maybe
[12:07] <comhack> ok any luck
[12:07] <macogw> can you do sudo lspci -vvv?
[12:07] <macogw> and pastebin it
[12:07] <thesilentw> the new kernel is the same for meh :(
[12:08] <comhack> hold on
[12:08] <crimsun> macogw: no, don't compare lspci -v; it's not relevant for HDA. Always look at /proc/asound/cardX/codec*
[12:08] <hutre> arejay you can lock versions in synaptic
[12:08] <macogw> oh really?
[12:08] <macogw> ok
[12:08] <macogw> then show that
[12:08] <crimsun> he already has
[12:08] <macogw> ok then lemme check mine  ;)
[12:08] <crimsun> I'm just running `git pull` first
[12:08] <hutre> thesilentw: same here.
[12:09] <shirish> crimsun, cool stuff, just for reference mine is at http://pastebin.ca/438866
[12:09] <crimsun> shirish: why did you post that? Are you experiencing a codec bug?
[12:09] <comhack> how can I send to output to pastebin?
[12:10] <macogw> oh nevermind mine is a sigmatel codec
[12:10] <comhack> from the terminal
[12:10] <shirish> comhack: actually you should not have ot
[12:10] <shirish> to
[12:10] <shirish> just type "bash ./alsa-info.sh --with-all" without the quotes
[12:10] <comhack> it shows realtek as the codec
[12:10] <comhack> ok
[12:11] <Stormx2> Uhg. i switched to the default mirrors and I still see the -14.....
[12:11] <comhack>  http://pastebin.ca/438872
[12:11] <shirish> crimsun: nope, no codec bug, it was pasted by the script itself
[12:11] <macogw> crimsun: would that be why when i have the same rev. # the fix for my card doesnt work for someone else? the only difference i could find on our lspci's was the Interrupt routed to IRQ ##
[12:11] <shirish> crimsun: just plain impressed with your work
[12:11] <peter77> !breakage
[12:11] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[12:11] <Gambaroni> macogw yes
[12:11] <comhack> ill take a look
[12:12] <Stormx2> peter77: Who was that for?
[12:12] <peter77> me
[12:12] <shirish> so anybody has any info. as to when the RC is expected?
[12:12] <crimsun> macogw: what problem are you referring to?
[12:12] <Stormx2> peter77: /msg ubotu ..
[12:12] <peter77> wanted to see if had updated
[12:12] <peter77> k
[12:12] <crimsun> shirish: no ETA. We're still ironing out the libata/HPA bug.
[12:13] <DanaG> I know it won't be packaged; I'll build it myself.
[12:13] <shirish> ok cool, btw what is the HPA bug, the libata is to do with slow performance on IDE drives or something else?
[12:13] <crimsun> shirish: see the two urls that the bot posted for the breakage factoid.
[12:13] <joshua_> that it is entirely broken on some systems
[12:13] <DanaG> But the ACPI-Crashes-Xorg, and ACPI-Brightness-Doesn't-Work, bugs are still present in Edgy.
[12:13] <crimsun> Edgy released some months ago...
[12:13] <comhack> so no fix for the hda-intel card?
[12:14] <arejay> where do you pin applications in ubuntu-feisty? there is no /etc/apt/preferences (unless i need to create it)?
[12:14] <crimsun> comhack: dude, can you please be patient? I'm running git update over a 56kbps dialup, so I'm extremely lagged to my git host.
[12:14] <comhack> sorry man
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> arejay: create it
[12:14] <DanaG> "Can't boot" takes priority over "Quiet audio".
[12:14] <comhack> my bad
[12:14] <arejay> tonyyarusso, thanks :)
[12:15] <DanaG> IS it possible to prioritize one mirror over another?
[12:15] <shirish> comhack: DanaG: what are intel hda cards? never heard of those
[12:15] <comhack> high definition audio cards
[12:15] <crimsun> comhack: http://hera.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=commit;h=b6fffb0f499459dfaef0f022f2da1f3fcb4fbdc2
[12:15] <DanaG> It's "Intel HD Audio", even if it's not an Intel chipset.
[12:15] <comhack> come with with newer laptops
[12:15] <AmyRose> yay, the new kernel works :D
[12:16] <comhack> thanks crimsun
[12:16] <hutre> AmyRose: you lucky bastard :p
[12:16] <shirish> ok cool
[12:16] <joshua_> is "Intel HDA" just another ac'97 chipset?
[12:16] <crimsun> no
[12:16] <crimsun> it's an entirely new spec
[12:16] <comhack> so how can I run this script crimsun
[12:17] <|NewUser|> !ircd
[12:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ircd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:17] <Gambaroni> macogw yes
[12:17] <crimsun> comhack: you don't need to run anything script. I've pointed you to the fix that I made.
[12:17] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1674878
[12:17] <joshua_> ew. why wasn't ac'97 good enough?
[12:17] <comhack> oh ok
[12:17] <macogw> sky2 driver just died on me
[12:17] <DanaG> Dude, Wikipedia.
[12:17] <macogw> where can i look to find a log of why it died?
[12:17] <macogw> if there is one, that is
[12:17] <crimsun> joshua_: you mean "why was it ever any good".
[12:17] <|NewUser|> i want to install ircd server in my local machine? how can i ? is there any help ?
[12:17] <awkorama> hi allz
[12:17] <joshua_> heh. ok. I will STFW.
[12:17] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_High_Definition_Audio
[12:17] <macogw> if there isnt one, im gonna edit it to do that...if i can figure out how
[12:17] <thesilentw> guys one question, if i want eclipse to add plugins later, what i download? like a clean eclipse
[12:18] <awk> is there anyone who can help me with new kernel not booting?
[12:18] <crimsun> !breakage >awk
[12:18] <comhack> crimsun I am looking the page you sent and I see the commit log and the patch at the bottom but how can I run it
[12:18] <awk> right
[12:19] <crimsun> comhack: you don't "run" anything.
[12:19] <gilsr> !breakage
[12:19] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[12:19] <crimsun> comhack: echo options snd-hda-intel model=auto|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:19] <comhack> ok
[12:20] <Kaplan_> upgraded to kernel ....-15
[12:20] <DanaG> Wouldn't auto be default?
[12:20] <crimsun> DanaG: no.
[12:20] <Kaplan_> no x server
[12:20] <DanaG> Oh, ref is default, auto is one specific codec?
[12:20] <crimsun> DanaG: read the patch.
[12:20] <Kaplan_> must be lack of restricted modules
[12:20] <awk> is -15 in repositories?
[12:20] <macogw> awk: the kernel, not l-r-m
[12:20] <joshua_> I flipped through those tickets; is the kernel that's presently in apt safe (i.e., had the broken one been rolled back), or should I refrain from upgrading right now?
[12:20] <crimsun> awk: -15.24 is available; -15.25 is building.
[12:20] <comhack> ok it outputs options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[12:20] <macogw> well, l-r-m common is in, generic is not
[12:21] <crimsun> comhack: good, now reboot.
[12:21] <DanaG> aah, I see.
[12:21] <jmichaelx> i am upgrading 3 machines to -15 right now
[12:21] <comhack> ok brb
[12:22] <joshua_> heh, hm, I wonder if that's how mute works on this laptop
[12:22] <joshua_> I know that there is an "audio power" bit on the sonypi chip that turns off power to the codec
[12:22] <awk> actually this is strange
[12:22] <DanaG> http://miniburb.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/volume-problem-on-toshiba-laptop-with-vista/
[12:22] <awk> yesterday there supposed to be RC and actually there's a breakage today
[12:23] <Kaplan_> beware that restricted modules are not on the repos for -15 yet
[12:23] <joshua_> awk, which I guess is better than an RC that doesn't boot for anyone
[12:23] <DanaG> er
[12:23] <crimsun> awk: we delayed the RC precisely because we've been attempting to fix the libata/HPA breakage. Be patient.
[12:23] <DanaG> lemme dig up a link
[12:23] <DanaG> aah:
[12:23] <DanaG> http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2007/03/02/no-sound-on-a-toshiba-m7-after-a-vista-install-aka-things-that-make-you-go-huh.aspx
[12:23] <awk> no big deal, i booted -13 kernel