[01:34] <frandavid100> hello!
[01:35] <frandavid100> morning andreasn :)
[01:35] <andreasn> hi there frandavid100
[01:35] <andreasn> how are things?
[01:36] <frandavid100> good, almost reaching the weekend
[01:42] <andreasn> you asked something about stock-icons the other day, right?
[01:42] <andreasn> I had to run and then got home in the middle of the night
[02:05] <kwwii> frandavid100: it seems that the 20x20 icons are included in tangerine, but not in the index.theme file
[02:05] <frandavid100> hey kwii
[02:05] <kwwii> hi :-)
[02:06] <frandavid100> I reinstalled tangerine
[02:06] <frandavid100> and I noticed the 16px versions of those icons don't show
[02:06] <frandavid100> can you check that?
[02:07] <kwwii> yeah, the 16x16 versions are missing
[02:07] <frandavid100> I that a bug or...?
[02:07] <frandavid100> IS that a bug or...?
[02:08] <mansours> hey
[02:09] <frandavid100> I can give you the 16px versions for all of them if you want them
[02:09] <frandavid100> there are some other gtk-icons missing, like the run icon when you press alt+F2
[02:20] <kwwii> that would be great
[02:20] <kwwii> I think that in the near future these icons will be put where they belong and not in tangerine anymore
[02:21] <kwwii> so this is really just to get them in right now
[02:23] <kwwii> btw, the tar file in the bug seems to be corrupted or such
[02:26] <kwwii> where is lapo when you need him? ;-)
[02:27] <andreasn> the gtk-stock icons are in gtk+ trunk now
[02:31] <kwwii> that is really good (but won't change things for feisty I guess)
[02:32] <andreasn> I'm not sure when the next gtk version comes out exactly, probably in october with the 2.20 release
[02:42] <frandavid100> sorry, I was doing something else
[02:42] <frandavid100> do you want me to pack the whole thing and send it to you, kwwii?
[02:42] <kwwii> frandavid100: yes, please - not sure what is going on with the other tar file
[02:43] <kwwii> and the 16x16 icons are an important addition I think
[04:59] <lapo> hi there
[05:23] <frandavid100> lapo, are you around?
[05:23] <lapo> frandavid100: yes, I think
[05:23] <frandavid100> I've just seen your message in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tangerine-icon-theme/+bug/102581
[05:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 102581 in tangerine-icon-theme "20x20 new icons not in index.theme" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[05:24] <frandavid100> with "sources", you mean the SVGs?
[05:24] <lapo> frandavid100: yep, but before that are you sure those icons are used in 16x16
[05:24] <frandavid100> totally
[05:25] <lapo> where?
[05:25] <lapo> frandavid100: I mean gtk ships those icons only in the sizes provided
[05:25] <frandavid100> liferea uses apply in the sources menu
[05:25] <frandavid100> rhythmbox uses cancel in the podcast dialog
[05:25] <lapo> ugh
[05:25] <frandavid100> it's used to cancel downloads
[05:26] <frandavid100> those are two examples, but I think other apps use them too
[05:26] <frandavid100> synaptic uses apply too, now that I think of it
[05:27] <lapo> ok, it's a bit of an "icon abuse" but hey, better to stare at bad nice icons that ugly ones :-)
[05:27] <frandavid100> sure thing
[05:27] <lapo> frandavid100: sources! :-)
[05:27] <frandavid100> they won't need to be added to tangerine though
[05:28] <lapo> I think is the fastest path
[05:29] <kwwii> at this stage, wouldn't it be easier to put the missing icons in tangerine directly, as the others are already there?
[05:29] <lapo> I wouldn't want to "pollute" tango icon theme with anything else then application icons
[05:29] <frandavid100> lapo
[05:29] <frandavid100> this is what we did
[05:30] <frandavid100> I have made a "common icons" theme for tango and tangerine to inherit from
[05:30] <frandavid100> and mailed it to you
[05:30] <frandavid100> it has the pngs and the sources too
[05:31] <lapo> frandavid100: yeah I know icon theme tricks, but we need to package things :-)
[05:31] <frandavid100> also, mailed kwwii a version of tangerine without the duplicate icons
[05:31] <kwwii> yeah, I just got that mail, reading now
[05:32] <lapo> frandavid100: the stock icon are going to live in gtk, the tangerine inclusion was just me bugging people to have them somewhere
[05:32] <kwwii> the most important thing at this point would be to not ask for too big of a change without knowing that it will definitly work
[05:32] <lapo> frandavid100: in the long run the stock stuff is going to be removed from tangerine
[05:32] <frandavid100> yup
[05:32] <lapo> so, we choosed to ship the icons in tangerine
[05:33] <frandavid100> but it would be easier to just remove the common theme when they get into gtk
[05:33] <frandavid100> that way tangerine doesn't need to be "polluted", it's all apart
[05:33] <frandavid100> it's a cleaner solution, I think
[05:33] <lapo> frandavid100: it would be one more package, and since the inclusion was somewhere around the freeze that was the quickest path
[05:34] <frandavid100> hm...
[05:34] <frandavid100> you've got a point there
[05:34] <lapo> frandavid100: I don't really care about adding stuff to tangerine, since I'm in charge with it and I can fixup my mess later :-)
[05:34] <frandavid100> so, how about it
[05:35] <frandavid100> there are some gtk icons missing in tangerine, like the run icon
[05:35] <lapo> frandavid100: that's a missing i-n-u link
[05:35] <frandavid100> I can dump all the icons in common in tangerine
[05:35] <frandavid100> i-n-u?
[05:35] <lapo> frandavid100: g-i-t sports a run icon which not get correctly linked I think
[05:36] <lapo> frandavid100: if some other icon is missing from tangerine and git it's my fault, but we can fix it I think
[05:36] <lapo> tangerine-icon-theme, tango-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme
[05:37] <kwwii> I'm going to talk to the release manager now....
[05:37] <kwwii> so we want to add these icons to tangerine for feisty?
[05:37] <frandavid100> just one thing, what would happen to tango?
[05:37] <kwwii> we can do it the right way for gutsy
[05:37] <frandavid100> would it inherit them from tangerine, or just sport the old ones?
[05:38] <kwwii> unless tango inherits tangerine it will still miss the icons
[05:38] <lapo> kwwii: yeah, it's really minor stuff it should not brake stuff, but I'm on edgy now and I need to test it later
[05:38] <lapo> yep
[05:38] <kwwii> so should we add a inheritance to tangerine in the tango theme?
[05:38] <lapo> kwwii: nope
[05:39] <lapo> tango should stay like that
[05:39] <kwwii> ok, cool
[05:39] <frandavid100> shame :(
[05:39] <lapo> we want the missing stuff there, most of the missing icons are stuff that should not be used
[05:41] <lapo> tango icon theme is just an example implementation of the tango guidelines
[05:41] <lapo> so we want to do things right with it
[05:41] <lapo> gnome-icon-theme and tangerine-icon-theme are icon themes implementing the tango guidelines
[05:42] <lapo> I know it can be hard to get, but it's the way it is :-)
[05:46] <frandavid100> I'm checking which icons from gtk might be missing in tangerine
[05:46] <frandavid100> stuff like sort-descending, gtk-close
[05:47] <frandavid100> and adding them to tangerine
[05:47] <frandavid100> can I send it to you when I'm done, lapo?
[05:48] <lapo> sort descending and gtk-close are in gnome-icon-theme I believe, no?
[05:48] <lapo> frandavid100: yeah, feel free to send, thanks
[05:48] <kwwii> frandavid100: can you CC me on that, so that I can bug the right person to get the stuff included
[05:49] <frandavid100> sure
[05:50] <lapo> frandavid100: are there places where sort-descending doesn't show up correctly? I did that icon for g-i-t for sure
[05:50] <frandavid100> I've dumped all the png into the folder, and I'm gonna include all the sources separately
[05:50] <frandavid100> not sure about that lapo
[05:50] <frandavid100> I don't think I've ever seen that icon used anywhere
[05:56] <frandavid100> done :)
[05:57] <lapo> later guys
[06:11] <frandavid100> gotta go, see you later!